Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-mq
May 23, 2013 - June 05, 2013
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jury struts yes or no? |
When I was a youngster, a fellow used to fly his J-3 Cub from Richvale, Ca t
o Chico to attend Chico State College at the time. I was working at Ranchero
Airport for lessons in their Aeronca. The guy with the Cub just strapped hi
s full size bike to the struts and jury struts! He would take the bike off a
nd ride to Campus for classes, then reverse the process. He said the plane w
as just one of their "old ones" and they did not mind the scratches! Guess i
t flew just fine, bet there was quit a yaw. He was one on the Lundbergs who
grew up to run the Lundberg Rice conglomerate, Lundbergs Organic Rice. Be
t you have eaten some of their rice cakes. When I finally grew up, got my P
L And went to UC Davis, I did my PhD thesis research on his farm! He still h
ad the Cub!
Ray Krause
Building SkyScout
Now living in Colusa, CA, just 60 miles south of Colusa and 40 miles south o
f Richvale, very mall world!
Sent from my iPad
On May 23, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Lion Mason wrote:
> Jury struts make a great support for folding chairs tents and fishing pol
es or fly rods, or anything else you can't get on the cabin. Cheers, Gardine
r
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 23, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>
>> Does the jury strut support the strut or the wing?
>>
>> Jury struts keep the lift strut from buckling when in negative turbulence
or when not quite making it over the top in a loop for example.
>>
>> Jim B.
>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Hangar door riff-raff |
God must love primitive life forms.
He made so many of them.
Er, us.
Someone
Clif :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Bickers
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hangar door riff-raff
Speaking of hangar door riff-raff, a few weeks ago a fella I=92d never
met ' we=92ll call him Dale, since that=92s what he said was his name
Dale hasn=92t been back, though I suppose it is probably inevitable.
I=92m sure he=92s got some fresh pearls of wisdom. At least that=92s
what I think I=92ll call the things that emanate from him and the south
end of a north bound horse.
Cheers, Ken
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Jury struts yes or no? |
A strut is a "column". There are "long" columns and
"short" columns. What defines each is the ratio of
cross section to length. Basicaly a jury strut turns
a long column into two short ones. The compression
force that will bend either of the short ones goes up
dramaticaly over that of the single long , skinny one.
So without a jury strut the wing strut would have to
be at least 3" deep to qualify as a "short" strut and
be able to handle the compression loads. For
steamlining then, this silly thing would be 6" wide!!
Hmmmm.... I think I'll go with jury struts meself.
Clif
It ain't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that
just ain't so." Josh Billings
>
> Alright I'll buy that. Keep the lift strut sound when loaded in
> compression. Thanks!
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Leading Edge |
Thank you Paul. Looks nice, good job.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hangar door riff-raff |
On occasion, I've taught classes and seminars. Once in a while, somebody shows
up, not to learn something, but to prove to the world they know more than you
do (I give them the benefit of the doubt that they might, but those that really
do usually sit quietly and politely).
In the course of collecting and showing Corvairs, maybe once per each well-attended
car show I'd get the same type of person with this-or-that Corvair story,
but the one in their story had four cylinders. The laugh was that they were adamant
about it. My first couple times, I entertained the discussion, but it gets
old fast. I came to saying "That's nice" or something brief, then made myself
scarce. Another trick (if you're thinking fast enough) is to tell the 'expert'
you don't know a lot about it (their ludicrous subject), but a friend in
the club over there does and they would really like to hear about it. With a little
savvy, the 'expert' doesn't even know they're being taken for a ride. You
get two-fers; the 'expert' goes away, and you get to jerk the chain of a friend
a little. Word of caution, this one can go both ways.
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: biplan53 <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: May 23, 2013 9:06 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar door riff-raff
>
>
>I agree with Terry. I retired from AT&T after 38 years and I have seen this first
hand. The people who could not cut it were made managers. Getting back to
the "experts", I guess it's best to ask to see their airplanes. The more I work
on my airplane the the more respect I have for the people who have built one.
>
>--------
>Building steel fuselage aircamper.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401268#401268
>
>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I only get the list every morning, so the "jury strut" answer has already
been put out here, but I feel so strongly about it I want to chime in too.
As mentioned.
1. This is all discussed in the archives
2. The jury strut supports the strut, not the wing
3. The jury strut supports the strut in negative G's only
4. The wing experiences surprisingly strong G's ALL THE TIME in even
moderate turbulence (afternoon flights) and landings
5. In such a cluttered airframe as a Piet, the "drag" of four jury
struts is probably un-measurable
6. The old strut tubing Bernhard used DID have internal webbing, ours
does NOT.
7. There is a substantiated old case of a guy trying to loop a Piet,
(idiot) he let some negative G's creep in and the wings folded up.
8. Jury struts should not be placed in the center of the strut, but
offset towards the wingtip.
In conclusion. DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT PUTTING JURY STRUTS ON.
Douwe
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel flow test |
Shad, Terry and Ken, thanks for the replies. I do have the Uncle Tony
books and am planning on following his recommendations. What I was
unsure of is the likely maximum angle of attack of a corvair powered
Pietenpol. Since I plan on something less than 100 horsepower,
my max angle of attack should be similar to what is obtained with a
continental powerplant. I have a 19 gallon nose tank with a Stromberg
carb. I will have some ram air pressurization, but I am unsure how
effective that will be. I think I will set the angle of the top
longerons at 20 deg. just to be conservative.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
There was a great little article in the newsletter a while back about fuel
flow with low fuel, and under acceleration.
The combination caused a condition of insufficient fuel flow pressure. So,
you think you have enough fuel in the tank and go take off but didn't
account for the acceleration forces resisting the fuel pressure, which is
now pretty low.
Something to think about.
Douwe
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop crush plate |
Craig and Oscar, since I have the material, I'll make my own crush plate.
Rick S.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Leading Edge |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Which ply of the plywood do you use to determine the grain?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401290#401290
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow test |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Rick,
Look at what 20 degrees looks like when you get it set, and I think that you will
agree that you are unlikely to pitch the nose up that high on a regular basis,
so 20 should work just fine.
people don't realize that 25-30 degrees looks like about 45 degrees when simply
looking outside. It is just not a pitch attitude you will see much of.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401291#401291
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| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
> Jury struts, Yes or no?
YES
I made straps that wrap around the lift struts and grab the jury struts out of
.025-inch aluminum 1-inch wide quick and easy, but not adequate. While breaking
in the Model-A, the brackets on both front lift struts broke. I replaced
all brackets with a little thicker stainless-steel brackets and all seems fine
but I can tell you those forward struts see a lot of pulsing (vibration) from
the prop blast even while just sitting on the ground.
Find a Piet with jury struts and try to move the struts up and down, then unbolt
one end of the strut and try again youll quickly see why they are there.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401292#401292
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| From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
I though jury struts where to kill/eliminate/prevent resonance on strus,
that's why they are not in the midle/center of them and are so thin.
Mario Giacummo
2013/5/24 Douwe Blumberg
> I only get the list every morning, so the =93jury strut=94 answer has
> already been put out here, but I feel so strongly about it I want to chim
e
> in too.****
>
> ** **
>
> As mentioned=85****
>
> ** **
>
> 1. This is all discussed in the archives****
> 2. The jury strut supports the strut, not the wing****
> 3. The jury strut supports the strut in negative G=92s only****
> 4. The wing experiences surprisingly strong G=92s ALL THE TIME in even
> moderate turbulence (afternoon flights) and landings****
> 5. In such a cluttered airframe as a Piet, the =93drag=94 of four jury
> struts is probably un-measurable****
> 6. The old strut tubing Bernhard used DID have internal webbing, ours
> does NOT.****
> 7. There is a substantiated old case of a guy trying to loop a Piet,
> (idiot) he let some negative G=92s creep in and the wings folded up.**
**
> 8. Jury struts should not be placed in the center of the strut, but
> offset towards the wingtip.****
>
> ** **
>
> In conclusion. DON=92T EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT PUTTING JURY STRUTS ON.****
>
> ** **
>
> Douwe****
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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| From: | Bill Roach <bill.roach(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering 2013 |
Hi Mike
-
I will be bringing my son David-with me this year.- That makes 2 of us.
We are looking forward to being there.
Bill Roach
10110 Hale Ave.
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
Cell Phone #: (408)529-1697
e-mail: bill.roach(at)att.net
--- On Tue, 5/21/13, Michael Groah wrote:
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering 2013
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2013, 10:28 PM
Just a quick reminder that the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering is just a wee
k and a half away!-- Saturday June 1st is fast approaching and I am rea
lly looking forward to the event.- I hope to see you there.-
-(See the attached info sheet for the details.)-
-
Mike Groah
414MV
Tulare CA
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Hangar door riff-raff |
| From: | airlion2(at)gmail.com |
Just so ya,ll know what an expert stands for. x is the unknown factor and spert
is a drip under pressure. Cheers, airlion
Sent from my iPad
On May 24, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Jim Ash wrote:
>
>
> On occasion, I've taught classes and seminars. Once in a while, somebody shows
up, not to learn something, but to prove to the world they know more than you
do (I give them the benefit of the doubt that they might, but those that really
do usually sit quietly and politely).
>
> In the course of collecting and showing Corvairs, maybe once per each well-attended
car show I'd get the same type of person with this-or-that Corvair story,
but the one in their story had four cylinders. The laugh was that they were
adamant about it. My first couple times, I entertained the discussion, but it
gets old fast. I came to saying "That's nice" or something brief, then made myself
scarce. Another trick (if you're thinking fast enough) is to tell the 'expert'
you don't know a lot about it (their ludicrous subject), but a friend in
the club over there does and they would really like to hear about it. With a
little savvy, the 'expert' doesn't even know they're being taken for a ride.
You get two-fers; the 'expert' goes away, and you get to jerk the chain of a friend
a little. Word of caution, this one can go both ways.
>
> Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: biplan53 <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
>> Sent: May 23, 2013 9:06 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hangar door riff-raff
>>
>>
>> I agree with Terry. I retired from AT&T after 38 years and I have seen this
first hand. The people who could not cut it were made managers. Getting back to
the "experts", I guess it's best to ask to see their airplanes. The more I work
on my airplane the the more respect I have for the people who have built one.
>>
>> --------
>> Building steel fuselage aircamper.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401268#401268
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Corvair cooling eyebrows |
| From: | Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com> |
Hello all,
Does anyone have the drawings for Hans vandervoort's cooling eyebrows? And if so
could you post them or send the m to me at randybush2(at)gmail.com
Thanks,
Randy Bush
NX294RB
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> |
| Subject: | Continental Engine |
Hey guys I'm looking for a Continental 65 or 85 engine.... I know
everybody's looking for them so I'm just throwing it out there. Doesn't
have to be low time (higher cost). If you have one sitting in the
corner of your hangar let me know.....Contact me on my private email....
Charles Burkholder
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| Subject: | Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" |
| From: | "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com> |
Thoughts on having a Minimum Equipment List (MEL) for a Pietenpol.
It really boils down to what are your chances ....
You'd be ramp check by Mr. FAA
Have an accident because of a missing/inop item that was a no go item like a broken
Airspeed Indicator or an expired inspection/certification on your Altimeter.
Your insurance company would look very unsympathetically at the missing MEL and
the situation that occurred because you didnt have one.
I guess I have a sort of mixed blessing. A real good friend of mine, who lives
three houses down the street is in the Dulles Flight Standards Office and he
is among other things a Ramp Checker. I overheard the other day at the local
FBO that a couple of guys got ramp checked recently and it sorta went OK. Since
Dulles is in our backyard - it doesn't come as a surprise that we get the
ole "Hi, We're from the FAA and we're here to help you!" greeting. SO.......
to be on the safe side with my Piet - I've been studying the rules with lots of
encouragement from my friend (?)
Do Piet's have a Minimum Equipment List ? Some say we do and some say we don't.
Now, If nothing ever goes wrong and you never get ramp checked maybe you dont
need one. If my 30 years in general aviation has taught me anything its
that where the FAA is concerned Yes, Henry there is a rule for that! You say
But this rule says it dont apply FAA says True but these two obscure rules
says it does! Its a stacked deck!
Here's what you can expect a really sharp Inspector might say during your ramp
check right after he/she has finished with your Weight & Balance review. May
I see your MEL? (Google Figure 56 FAR Part 91 Ramp Inspection Job Aid)
If you say you do not need an MEL for your airplane - then he/she will use http://fsims.faa.gov/PICResults.aspx?mode=Publication&doctype=MMEL and look at you with a big smile and ask you:
Is your aircraft listed under Airplanes? .. No, its a Pietenpol
Is your aircraft a Single Engine Airplane long pause .Yes .Gotcha !!!
Then since you dont have an MEL M SE Airplane R1 -- Single Engine Airplane, Rev.
1 Date -- 11/23/2011 now becomes your default MEL.
This MEL lists every possible piece of equipment that could conceivably be installed
in a single engine airplane. Its an unbelievably long list pages and pages.
The Ramp Check of your airplane starts using this MEL. Now, if everything in your
Piet is working and you have all the required goodies (ELT, Shoulder Harness,
Day VFR instruments, Pertinent Charts, Placards, Fire Extinguisher {seen that
discussed in another post}.etc.) then you are golden. But if you are missing
a mandatory item or if its broke he/she can ground the aircraft.
Luckily, there are a few caveats some of this stuff has a grandfather clause i.e.,
if your aircraft was certified before a certain date the requirement for
that particular item does not apply.
My Piet was built in 1988 it all applies!!!! There are other reasons some of
the stuff may or may not be required. But, you should know what does and what
doesnt its your airplane. Me, I know that its ALL required.
Cant Beatm Joinm: Heres my approach Im going to create an MEL that lists all
the Day VFR Required Equipment (91.205) and put it in the front of my Operations
Manual.
Airspeed indicator.
Altimeter.
Magnetic Compass and correction card
Tachometer
Oil pressure gauge (for each engine using pressure system)
Temperature gauge for each liquid-cooled engine. (Not Me!)
Oil temperature gauge (for each air-cooled engine)
Fuel gauge indicating the quantity of fuel in each tank.
There are some work-arounds for this one.
Safety belt with an approved metal-to-metal latching device
Shoulder Harness each seat Applies to Piets manufactured after July 18, 1978,
Emergency locator transmitter 91.207.
Appropriate Placards and Warnings
I am hoping that the Ramp Checker will find this more acceptable rather than telling
him I dont have one. Worst case he would point out something Im missing,
ask me to correct it, and send me on my way.
After all when you really boil it down its a piece of paper in the front of your
AFM. I will post mine when its done it will be in MS Word so you can add/change/delete
entries as you see fit.
My 2 cents on the subject . Happy Memorial Day!
I welcome any corrections to the above please cite references -- its good for
all of us to have this stuff right and readily available.
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Nope. The resonance problem is a result not a cause.
By putting the connection in the exact center you are
creating a "node" such that when a sideways motion
occurs on one side an equal but opposite motion
is induced in the other side. In essence a wave
similiar to an electronic sine wave occurs. the rapid
bending back and forth will eventualy rip the strut
apart in the same manner as you snapping a paper
clip by bending it back and forth.
By moving the connecting point a short ways from
center you destroy the possibilty of resonance.
You don't want to make the difference in length
too large however, as you could arrive at a secondary
node. If you know anything about music, you'll
understand this as harmonics.
Clif
I though jury struts where to kill/eliminate/prevent resonance on
strus, that's why they are not in the midle/center of them and are so
thin.
Mario Giacummo
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Cliff, to clarify, you mean offset from the center of the strut, correct? Al
so could you specify how far, an inch, foot? Is it best to offset up or down
the strut?
Thanks!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On May 25, 2013, at 2:12 AM, "Clif Dawson" wrote:
> Nope. The resonance problem is a result not a cause.
> By putting the connection in the exact center you are
> creating a "node" such that when a sideways motion
> occurs on one side an equal but opposite motion
> is induced in the other side. In essence a wave
> similiar to an electronic sine wave occurs. the rapid
> bending back and forth will eventualy rip the strut
> apart in the same manner as you snapping a paper
> clip by bending it back and forth.
> By moving the connecting point a short ways from
> center you destroy the possibilty of resonance.
> You don't want to make the difference in length
> too large however, as you could arrive at a secondary
> node. If you know anything about music, you'll
> understand this as harmonics.
>
> Clif
>
>
>
>
>
> I though jury struts where to kill/eliminate/prevent resonance on strus, t
hat's why they are not in the midle/center of them and are so thin.
> Mario Giacummo
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Jack, I asked a similar question to Douwe yesterday and he sent me a
front view picture of his Piet. By measuring the photo (I copied the
picture to a piece of paper first) we determined that the jury struts
were moved up the strut (toward the wing) about 6 inches. That's not
necessarily the only dimension that will work but at least we know his
jury struts do the job they are meant to do. The struts are not moved
down the main struts because the added length of the vertical members of
the jury struts would just add weight. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: jury struts
Cliff, to clarify, you mean offset from the center of the strut,
correct? Also could you specify how far, an inch, foot? Is it best to
offset up or down the strut?
Thanks!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On May 25, 2013, at 2:12 AM, "Clif Dawson"
wrote:
Nope. The resonance problem is a result not a cause.
By putting the connection in the exact center you are
creating a "node" such that when a sideways motion
occurs on one side an equal but opposite motion
is induced in the other side. In essence a wave
similiar to an electronic sine wave occurs. the rapid
bending back and forth will eventualy rip the strut
apart in the same manner as you snapping a paper
clip by bending it back and forth.
By moving the connecting point a short ways from
center you destroy the possibilty of resonance.
You don't want to make the difference in length
too large however, as you could arrive at a secondary
node. If you know anything about music, you'll
understand this as harmonics.
Clif
I though jury struts where to kill/eliminate/prevent resonance on
strus, that's why they are not in the midle/center of them and are so
thin.
Mario Giacummo
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| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
June 1 LNS fly in breakfast fund raiser for CAP and the Piet is in the hangar if
you're interested in visitin
John
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Corvair cooling eyebrows |
Randy - Here you go. Hope all's good!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Bush
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair cooling eyebrows
Hello all,
Does anyone have the drawings for Hans vandervoort's cooling eyebrows? And
if so could you post them or send the m to me at randybush2(at)gmail.com
Thanks, Randy Bush NX294RB
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cooling eyebrows |
| From: | Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com> |
Hi Gary , thanks . Yea I'm good , hope things are good with you. I guess you are
enjoying that beautiful new plane.thanks for the drawings. See everybody at
Brodhead, should be a good year.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
Sent from my iPhone
On May 25, 2013, at 7:53 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
> Randy - Here you go. Hope all's good!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Bush
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:51 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair cooling eyebrows
>
>
> Hello all,
> Does anyone have the drawings for Hans vandervoort's cooling eyebrows? And
> if so could you post them or send the m to me at randybush2(at)gmail.com
> Thanks, Randy Bush NX294RB
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Continental Engine |
Jeff wilsonn in St Louis, Mo has a cont. 65 for $3500. His contact is
jlwilsonn(at)yahoo.com and there is a you tube video of it running.
Dennis E
From: Charles Burkholder
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental Engine
Hey guys I'm looking for a Continental 65 or 85 engine.... I know
everybody's looking for them so I'm just throwing it out there. Doesn't
have to be low time (higher cost). If you have one sitting in the
corner of your hangar let me know.....Contact me on my private email....
Charles Burkholder
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment list" |
Build it with only minimum equipment, and then you don't need one, If it's
not installed, it cant cost anything, weigh anything, and it cant break.
=C2-
My 2 cents,
Shad
--- On Fri, 5/24/13, Fun2av8 wrote:
From: Fun2av8 <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what is a "flight manual" and an "equipment li
st"
Date: Friday, May 24, 2013, 10:46 PM
Thoughts on having a Minimum Equipment List (MEL) for a Pietenpol.
It really boils down to what are your chances ....
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- You'd be ramp check by Mr. FAA
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Have an accident because of a missing/inop item
that was a =9Cno go=9D item like a broken Airspeed Indicator o
r an expired inspection/certification on your Altimeter.
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Your insurance company would look very unsympat
hetically at the missing MEL and the situation that occurred because you di
dn=99t have one.
I guess I have a sort of mixed blessing.=C2- A real good friend of mine,
who lives three houses down the street is in the Dulles Flight Standards Of
fice and he is among other things a Ramp Checker.=C2-=C2-=C2-I overhe
ard the other day at the local FBO that a couple of guys got ramp checked r
ecently and it sorta went OK.=C2- Since Dulles is in our backyard - it do
esn't come as a surprise that we get the ole "Hi, We're from the FAA and we
're here to help you!" greeting.=C2- SO....... to be on the safe side wit
h my Piet - I've been studying the rules with lots of encouragement from my
friend (?)
Do Piet's have a Minimum Equipment List ?=C2- Some say we do and some say
we don't.=C2- Now, If nothing ever goes wrong and you never get ramp che
cked =93 maybe you don=99t need one.=C2- If my 30 years in ge
neral aviation has taught me anything =93 it=99s that where the
FAA is concerned =93 Yes, Henry =93 there is a rule for that!
=C2- You say =9C But this rule says it don=99t apply=9D
=C2- FAA says =9CTrue =93 but these two obscure rules says it
does!=9D=C2- It=99s a stacked deck!
Here's what you can expect a really sharp Inspector might say during your r
amp check right after he/she has finished with your Weight & Balance review
.=C2- May I see your MEL?=C2- (Google =9CFigure 56 FAR Part 91 Ra
mp Inspection Job Aid=9D)
If you say you do not need an MEL for your airplane - then he/she will use
=C2- http://fsims.faa.gov/PICResults.aspx?mode=Publication&doctype=MM
EL and look at you with a big smile and ask you:
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Is your aircraft listed under Airplanes?=C2-
=C2-=C2-..=C2-=C2-=C2-No, it=99s a Pietenpol
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Is your aircraft a Single Engine Airplane
long pause .Yes=C2- .=9DGotcha !!
!=9D
Then since you don=99t have an MEL =93 =9CM SE Airplane R
1 -- Single Engine Airplane, Rev. 1 Date -- 11/23/2011=9D now becomes
your default MEL.=C2-
This MEL lists every possible piece of equipment that could conceivably be
installed in a single engine airplane.=C2- Its an unbelievably long list
=93 pages and pages.
The Ramp Check of your airplane starts using this MEL.=C2- Now, if everyt
hing in your Piet is working and you have all the required goodies (ELT, Sh
oulder Harness, Day VFR instruments, Pertinent Charts, Placards, Fire Extin
guisher {seen that discussed in another post}.etc.) then you are golden.=C2
- But if you are missing a mandatory item or if its broke =93 he/sh
e can ground the aircraft.=C2-=C2-=C2-
Luckily, there are a few caveats some of this stuff has a grandfa
ther clause i.e., if your aircraft was certified before a certain
date =93 the requirement for that particular item does not apply.=C2
-
My Piet was built in 1988 =93 it all applies!!!!=C2- There are othe
r reasons some of the stuff may or may not be required.=C2- But, you shou
ld know what does and what doesn=99t =93 it=99s your airp
lane.=C2- Me, I know that it=99s ALL required.
Can=99t Beat=99m =93 Join=99m:=C2- Here=99s
my approach =93 I=99m going to create an MEL that lists all th
e Day VFR Required Equipment=C2- (91.205) and put it in the front of my O
perations Manual.
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Airspeed indicator.
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Altimeter.
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Magnetic Compass and correction card
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Tachometer
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Oil pressure gauge (for each engine using press
ure system)
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Temperature gauge for each liquid-cooled engine
. (Not Me!)
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Oil temperature gauge (for each air-cooled engi
ne)
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Fuel gauge indicating the quantity of fuel in e
ach tank.
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-=C2-
=C2-There are some work-arounds for this one.
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Safety belt with an approved metal-to-metal lat
ching device
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Shoulder Harness each seat =93 Applies to
Piets manufactured after July 18, 1978,
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Emergency locator transmitter =C2=A7 91.207.
=A2=C2-=C2-=C2- Appropriate Placards and Warnings
I am hoping that the Ramp Checker will find this more acceptable rather tha
n telling him I don=99t have one.=C2- Worst case =93 he would
point out something I=99m missing, ask me to correct it, and send me
on my way.
After all =93 when you really boil it down =93 it=99s a p
iece of paper in the front of your AFM.=C2-=C2-=C2-I will post mine w
hen its done =93 it will be in MS Word so you can add/change/delete e
ntries as you see fit.
My 2 cents on the subject .=C2- Happy Memorial Day!
I welcome any corrections to the above =93 please cite references --
its good for all of us to have this stuff right and readily available.
--------
Jim McWhorter
N687MB (New Owner)
Culpeper, VA=C2- KCJR
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| From: | Bill Princell <weprincell(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Corvair Engine Tach Sender Wiring Question: |
I have a queston about how to connect the tach to the sender. I'm using the
Stewart-Warner diesel engine tach recommended by WW and want to connect it
the small (pencil type) magnetic sender. The tach has a green lead wire and
a gray lead wire going to the sender. The sender has a white lead wire and
a black lead wire. How do I connect them correctly?
Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
Corvair Powered Pietenpol Rebuild Project
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Corvair Engine Tach Sender Wiring Question: |
Bill - Close your eyes and pick one. You will be right 100% of the time.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Princell
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Tach Sender Wiring Question:
I have a queston about how to connect the tach to the sender. I'm using the
Stewart-Warner diesel engine tach recommended by WW and want to connect it
the small (pencil type) magnetic sender. The tach has a green lead wire and
a gray lead wire going to the sender. The sender has a white lead wire and a
black lead wire. How do I connect them correctly?
Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
Corvair Powered Pietenpol Rebuild Project
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jury struts yes or no? |
Jury struts, absolutely! We had a Pietenpol built at Sonoma Valley
Airport that left them off and had the struts collapse in moderate
turbulence resulting in a double fatality.
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport N154JP
On 5/23/2013 8:20 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB wrote:
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> I may be reopening a previous discussion. If so just tell me shut up and search
the database.
>
> Jury struts, Yes or no?
>
> While loading my fuselage on a trailer, an airport bum, unknown to me, drove
up, Introduced himself as Craig, praised the Pietenpol design, told me several
things to be aware of on flying the Piet and then told me all about the evils
of jury struts. (Oscar Zuniga verifies the mans credentials.)
>
> N3379 had jury struts and I intend on putting them back on. Craig says that they
put a stress point on the wing in an unnatural place. He pointed out that
Bernard P never put them on his planes and they are not on the origional plans.
>
> Craig then discussed his thots and experiences on jury struts. He is basically
agin them based on vast Model building and experimental experience. Looking
at photos across the web, most Piets have Jury struts.
>
> I was going to blow the guy's advice off, but he claimed he knew Oscar Zuniga
and had flown Scout. This caused me to pause. I checked with OZ and the guy is
bona fide.
>
> OZ confirmed that the guy is eccentric, opinionated and has some wrong ideas.
BUT he is also brilliant and really knows small planes and is an excellent small
plane mechanic and has many right ideas. OZ has let him fly Scout from the
back seat.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
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| From: | Bill Princell <weprincell(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine Tach Sender Wiring Question: |
Hi Gary:
That was simple enough. While I still have access to your Piet/Corvair
expertise, what measurement did you use to set the air gap between the tip
end of the sender and the starter/flywheel ring? Thanks for your help.
Bill -
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> Bill ' Close your eyes and pick one. You will be right 100% of the time
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> **
>
> ** **
>
> Gary Boothe****
>
> NX308MB****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Princell
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:08 AM
> *To:* undisclosed-recipients:
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engine Tach Sender Wiring Question:***
*
>
> ** **
>
> I have a queston about how to connect the tach to the sender. I'm using
> the Stewart-Warner diesel engine tach recommended by WW and want to conne
ct
> it the small (pencil type) magnetic sender. The tach has a green lead wir
e
> and a gray lead wire going to the sender. The sender has a white lead wir
e
> and a black lead wire. How do I connect them correctly?
>
> Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
> Corvair Powered Pietenpol Rebuild Project****
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Engine Tach Sender Wiring Question: |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Hi ! Bill
I have the SW tach. The installation instructions say that polarity is not important.
One lead to the tach the other to ground. The air gap for the sender
is .030. Instructions say to adjust the sender by allowing it to just touch
the ring gear then back off 1/2 thread of the 3/4 X 16 UNF. Which should equal
.030 from the flywheel. Model 990-K Sender Kit.
Dan
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Yes, from the center.
As per chuck's message relating to Douwe's 6"
offset. This is obviously good. It certainly hasn't fallen
apart. :-) I think a foot is a bit much but there are
successful Piets with what appear to be that much.
You could offset either up or down for effect but up
will make for shorter vertical arms, saving a few
ounces. :-). I think it looks better too.
Clif
Cliff, to clarify, you mean offset from the center of the strut,
correct? Also could you specify how far, an inch, foot? Is it best to
offset up or down the strut?
Thanks!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | insurance when hopping rides |
Hey all,
How does liability work when "hopping" rides, like at Brodhead?
What type of insurance covers this, or does it?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: insurance when hopping rides |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Do you mean if you're flying someone else's plane? In the case of what I HAD (just
got a note saying they're not covering planes any more so I'll have to change
companies...), there was a clause that anyone else could fly my plane and
be covered if they had a tail wheel endorsement, 300 hrs total, I felt they were
qualified and some 10 hours in a Piet.
If you just mean giving rides, as along as it's "not for hire", or "giving instruction",
it was no big deal.
Tools
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When I built my Piet many years back I used Aeronca Champion front strut
material for the front struts. The welded-in small bushing for the jury
strut attachment wound up a few inches outboard of center as a matter of
course, and this was not considered a problem. Salvaged rear Taylorcraft
struts became my rear struts and small bushings were welded in to match
those on the front struts. I had always intended to use jury struts
because I had flown a friend=99s Piet that didn=99t have
them. His struts seemed to have a definite harmonic vibration related to
engine rpm (the propeller was not out of balance or track) and, from an
engineering standpoint, jury struts dramatically increase the resistance
to buckling in compression. The positioning of my jury struts off center
was a happy coincidence in that it established different harmonic modes
over the strut length. This was not realised at the time, but sometimes
good things just happen.
Regardless of what some may say, it is prudent to use jury struts on a
high wing airplane, unless the lift struts are of relatively
=9Cfat=9D cross section (i.e. Luscombe (metal wing),
Cessnas, etc.). Most high wing light planes over the years have them
because the lift struts are relatively slim thin-wall streamline tubing,
susceptible to buckling under compression loads (negative g in flight or
heavy snow loads, etc.).
Cheers,
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada)
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| Subject: | Re: insurance when hopping rides |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Douwe,
I have insurance through SAU. They specialize in homebuilts among other unique
flying machines. I have an included amount for passenger liability. With lawsuits
the way they are now though it probably is not possible to carry "enough"
insurance. So you just get the amount named in your policy for passengers
then go have fun and don't worry about it! At least that's my Risk Management
strategy. If I couldn't carry passengers I wouldn't fly. :-)
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead dates |
| From: | "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net> |
Here's a Hitler bunker scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPvWQ2UmVRQ
Warning: This parody contains occasional profanity, so best to avoid if you think
you might be offended.
Poor Adolf, don'tcha know, is having a hard time getting his on-line orders for
pipe tobacco filled. For those not acquainted with the fine pastime of pipe smoking,
all but one of the pipe tobacco blends mentioned in the subtitles are
highly sought after. The exception is Mixture 79, a heavily scented blend that
is hated, loathed, despised, and reviled by most (though not all) pipe connoisseurs.
You'll appreciate the explanation when you encounter the references.
The scene was lifted from the movie "Downfall" which depicts the last few days in Hitler's bunker. One of the best war movies ever made. Check out the trailer here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp1RXmM1-60
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Bill Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Fittings on Spars |
| From: | "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net> |
tools wrote:
> The issue that comes into play is whether you can get the pin in from the top,
which is the general preference as it cannot fall out as easily.
>
> I have a few spots where it HAS to go in from the bottom for clearance reasons.
A little longer is better. For all flying purposes, these are in tension,
so the little longer cantilever isn't a big deal.
You've got me scratching my head in puzzlement here, tools. When the wings are
assembled to the lift struts, the pins that go through the fittings are aligned
essentially horizontally, so there doesn't seem to be an issue of getting the
pin in from the top or bottom.
However, apropos of pins or bolts going in from the top or bottom, it turned out
that on one occasion the nerd engineers knew what they were doing and the wise
old mechanic on the assembly line didn't. The latter just knew that the former
had made an obvious mistake on the drawings. Doesn't everybody know that bolts
are installed head up so they won't fall out if the nuts should happen to
work free? So he ignored the drawings and installed bots head up in the assembly
of aileron cylinders on the North American F-86 assembly line.
The result? A number of F-86 crashes due to locked up ailerons. Chuck Yeager made the discovery after a hair-raising, death-defying near crash: http://characterqualitystories.com/cqs/node/394
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Bill Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Fittings on Spars |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Nope, you're right. Those pics didn't load for me when I first read it. On the
bottom is where you run into that issue, also on a few fittings on the tail
feathers.
There is much discussion on lengthening those fittings a bit for that reason.
In this case, there still is the issue of getting a wrench onto nuts, or room for
washers, etc, where it being a bit longer helps with assembly quite a bit.
Also for where you leave the holes a bit small, then ream everything to size
when you assemble, and there isn't enough room to allow the drill to run the reamer
correctly.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401441#401441
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| From: | Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jury struts... |
Tailwind doesn't use jury struts.=C2- I think they shove a piece of wood
through the center prevent buckling from the compressive loads.=0A=0AAndy A
breu=0A6186L=0AEAA 582=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Fr
om: G Hansen =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0AS
ent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:58 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Jury struts..
.=0A =0A=0A=0AWhen I built my Piet many years back I used Aeronca Champion
front strut =0Amaterial for the front struts. The welded-in small bushing f
or the jury strut =0Aattachment wound up a few inches outboard of center as
a matter of course, and =0Athis was not considered a problem. Salvaged rea
r Taylorcraft struts became my =0Arear struts and small bushings were welde
d in to match those on the front =0Astruts. I had always intended to use ju
ry struts because I had flown a friend=99s =0APiet that didn=99
t have them. His struts seemed to have a definite harmonic =0Avibration rel
ated to engine rpm (the propeller was not out of balance or track) =0Aand,
from an engineering standpoint, jury struts dramatically increase the =0Are
sistance to buckling in compression. The positioning of my jury struts off
=0Acenter was a happy coincidence in that it established different harmonic
modes =0Aover the strut length. This was not realised at the time, but som
etimes good =0Athings just happen.=0A=C2-=0ARegardless of what some may s
ay, it is prudent to use jury struts on a high =0Awing airplane, unless the
lift struts are of relatively =9Cfat=9D cross section =0A(i.e.
Luscombe (metal wing), Cessnas, etc.). Most high wing light planes over
=0Athe years have them because the lift struts are relatively slim thin-wal
l =0Astreamline tubing, susceptible to buckling under compression loads (ne
gative g =0Ain flight or heavy snow loads, etc.).=0A=C2-=0ACheers,=0A=C2
-=0AGraham Hansen=C2- (Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada)=0A=C2-=0A
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Hangar door riff-raff |
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I think! Therefor I am!
I think.
On 05/23/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
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> When I was in the Training Department at my current employer we put it this way-
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> 1. Them that can, do.
> 2. Them that can't do, teach.
> 3. Them that can't teach, evaluate.
> 4. Them that can't evaluate, administrate.
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> Semper Fi,
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> Athens, GA
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
UNCLASSIFIED
Gee, it seems that slightly more than half of the Pieters think the strut is a
good Idea ;-} (OK so far everyone). Guess, I will keep them.
Thanks all for the great input. And thanks Douwe for summarizing it.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 05/24/13, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
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> I only get the list every morning, so the “jury strut” answer has
already been put out here, but I feel so strongly about it I want to chime in
too.
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> As mentioned…
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> This is all discussed in the archives
> The jury strut supports the strut, not the wing
> The jury strut supports the strut in negative G’s only
> The wing experiences surprisingly strong G’s ALL THE TIME in even moderate
turbulence (afternoon flights) and landings
> In such a cluttered airframe as a Piet, the “drag” of four jury struts
is probably un-measurable
> The old strut tubing Bernhard used DID have internal webbing, ours does NOT.
> There is a substantiated old case of a guy trying to loop a Piet, (idiot) he
let some negative G’s creep in and the wings folded up.
> Jury struts should not be placed in the center of the strut, but offset towards
the wingtip.
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> In conclusion. DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT PUTTING JURY STRUTS ON.
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> Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Fittings on Spars |
| From: | "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net> |
OK. I thought you might be thinking about other places such as the tail. :D
Lengthening the strut attachment fittings to gain a little clearance for
wrenches and washers shouldn't be a problem, assuming the fittings are
at least the same thickness as specified on the early plans which had the
fittings at an angle only about 25 deg from vertical. That angle would put
an eccentric load on the fittings, and if they had enough beef to handle
that (and as far as I know there were no failures of eccentrically loaded
fittings), then they would have enough beef to handle a little extra length
when dealing with a smaller eccentric load (i.e. when the strap fitting is
oriented more in line with the strut axis.)
Something I would be more concerned about is the cross sectional area
between the bottom of the lowest bolt hole going through the spar and
the bottom of the spar. In one of the earlier pictures in this thread the
depth of this area on a proposed drilling pattern looks to be only a little
more than 1/4". The problem is that all of the lift generated outboard of
the strut attachment creates a bending moment around the point of
attachment, which moment must be resisted by compression along the
top of the spar and tension along the bottom. The wood above the neutral
axis (essentially the centerline on a spar of this type) only handles
compression. The wood between the neutral axis and the top of the
lowest bolt hole doesn't handle much tension at all. There isn't any wood
or other material to absorb tension loads through the area of the bolt
hole. (Well, the bolt is there, but who's got glue strong enough to transmit
the tension between the wood and the metal?). So it's basically up to the
area between the hole and the bottom of the spar to keep the wing
together.
A little more than 1/4" depth seems a bit skimpy. What do the plans
specify for the distance between the bottom of the spar and the bottom of
the lowest hole through the spar?
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Bill Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Jury struts... |
| From: | "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net> |
Yep, that's what my father did on his Tailwind. The struts were fabricated from
streamline steel tubing originally manufactured for use as antenna masts for
some WW II fighter or trainer. A snug fitting dowel was shoved into the center
to prevent buckling if the strut bowed a little bit from negative g's.
Somebody else was testing a different Tailwind at full gross load when a sandbag
on the passenger side of the seat worked loose and fell into the gap between
the seat and the control stick, forcing the stick full forward during high speed
flight. The negative g loads were enough to bend the tubing in the fuselage
a bit, but the struts never buckled.
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Bill Frank
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jury struts... |
So what I can gather from this is, if you want to have a plane with no jury
struts, you should build a Tailwind (or buy a later model Cessna).
Comparing two different airplanes and saying "gee, this one doesn't have
jury struts, so that one obviously doesn't need them" is illogical.
Bernard Pietenpol was a practical man. When he designed the Pietenpol, he
used strut material that didn't require jury struts to achieve sufficient
stiffness, so his plans didn't show jury struts (but did specify the strut
material). Once that strut material was no longer available, he added jury
struts to his planes. Note the jury struts in place on the last Air Camper
he built.
Buckling under compressive loading is a real phenomenon, which occurs
anytime the length to thickness ratio of a column (strut) exceeds a critical
value, and the compressive loading exceeds a critical load (which is
surprisingly small). That ratio can be improved by either making the strut
thicker (Cessna's solution) or making it shorter (which is really what
aTailwind does - their struts are pretty short). Pietenpols, particularly
those with longer wings or centersections, or those with wings raised higher
above the fuselage (both conditions require longer lift struts) are in the
range with a length to thickness ratio that is well into the critical range.
Jury struts are easy to make, add little weight and little drag, and add
substantial safety. Not putting them on is an effective way of declaring to
the world that the builder of the airplane doesn't understand engineering.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mild Bill
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jury struts...
Yep, that's what my father did on his Tailwind. The struts were fabricated
from streamline steel tubing originally manufactured for use as antenna
masts for some WW II fighter or trainer. A snug fitting dowel was shoved
into the center to prevent buckling if the strut bowed a little bit from
negative g's.
Somebody else was testing a different Tailwind at full gross load when a
sandbag on the passenger side of the seat worked loose and fell into the gap
between the seat and the control stick, forcing the stick full forward
during high speed flight. The negative g loads were enough to bend the
tubing in the fuselage a bit, but the struts never buckled.
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Bill Frank
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | insurance question again. |
How that everyone is back from their weekend, I wanted to run my insurance
question by one more time.
How does insurance work when hopping rides, such as at Brodhead? What do
you guys do who have flown a lot of rides?
Got a couple of answers, but clearly, everyone is away.
Thanks!
Douwe
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | insurance question again. |
Douwe, my insurance policy (with Falcon, the EAA insurance) on my Pietenpol
covers me for $1 Million liability, if I'm flying my airplane. In addition,
the policy I have on my RV-4 covers me for hull damage up to $40,000 if I'm
flying someone else's airplane, along with the $1 Million in liability.
You need a million in liability to fly Young Eagles for the EAA, so I think
most people carry liability insurance. It doesn't cost much - maybe $300 a
year or so, depending on your ratings and experience.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: insurance question again.
How that everyone is back from their weekend, I wanted to run my insurance
question by one more time.
How does insurance work when hopping rides, such as at Brodhead? What do
you guys do who have flown a lot of rides?
Got a couple of answers, but clearly, everyone is away.
Thanks!
Douwe
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | insurance question again. |
UNCLASSIFIED
I had full coverage on my Vtail (an old one with low value) and it was about $1200,
without Hull insurance it was about $800. I have been told that full coverage
including the Piet will not be much more. That includes the $1mil liability
policy required by EAA and some enhanced medical coverage.
My Vtail is currently out of annual and I only have it covered by my renter's insurance.
If the hangar burns down, it is covered.
Except for my family's finances and the EAA requirement, I would not insure. If
I wreck the plane, Either I am hurt and don't care about the plane, or I slap
a wing to the ground, and I fix it. I will learn metal or wood and fabric work.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 05/28/13, Jack Phillips wrote:
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> Douwe, my insurance policy (with Falcon, the EAA insurance) on my Pietenpol covers
me for $1 Million liability, if I’m flying my airplane. In addition,
the policy I have on my RV-4 covers me for hull damage up to $40,000 if I’m
flying someone else’s airplane, along with the $1 Million in liability.
>
>
>
> You need a million in liability to fly Young Eagles for the EAA, so I think most
people carry liability insurance. It doesn’t cost much - maybe $300
a year or so, depending on your ratings and experience.
>
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:07 AM
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: insurance question again.
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> How that everyone is back from their weekend, I wanted to run my insurance question
by one more time.
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> How does insurance work when hopping rides, such as at Brodhead? What do you
guys do who have flown a lot of rides?
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> Got a couple of answers, but clearly, everyone is away.
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> Thanks!
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> Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Jury struts... |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
I think we're talking about Pietenpols.
Seriously, though, The Tailwind is a completely different design. Among other
things, the wingspan is only about 20 ft.
Bill C.
>
> Tailwind doesn't use jury struts. I think they shove a piece of wood through
the center prevent buckling from the compressive loads.
>
> Andy Abreu
> 6186L
> EAA 582
>
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| Subject: | Re: insurance question again. |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Douwe,
The insurance company views a "passenger" as a "passenger". They don't say we
will allow you to give "a" ride, but not allow you to give one ride after another,
such as at a fly in. Is that what you mean? Unless of course there is a
named exclusion on there that would be such a thing as giving rides at a show,
but I really doubt that would exist. Nevertheless, it's always very important
to read every bit of the policy!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: insurance question again. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
For the data point, my ins is through EAA, Falcon and some other underwriter or
something.
It was $350 to $400 for liability only, $850 to $950 for that and hull moving or
not ($12K value).
Lots of time and ratings, not much tail dragger. Not sure when you're considered
to have lots of tail dragger, probably a hundred or three hundred.
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| From: | gcardinal(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: insurance question again. |
My liability insurance does not exclude giving rides. It also doesn't limit
the number of rides I can give.
It has the usual verbiage about not being used for hire or compensation.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:06:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: insurance question again.
How that everyone is back from their weekend, I wanted to run my insurance
question by one more time.
=C2-
How does insurance work when hopping rides, such as at Brodhead?=C2- What
do you guys do who have flown a lot of rides?
=C2-
Got a couple of answers, but clearly, everyone is away.
=C2-
Thanks!
=C2-
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| Subject: | Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hello Good People,
I kind of lost track of the whereabouts of the Official Scale. I would like
to get ahold of it for a special test. Could the present possessor please
chime in?
Thanks,
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale=?UTF-8?B?Pw==? |
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| From: | "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> |
Good morning fellow pietenpolers
Just a quick question about the center section. does the 1/8" plywood
bottom get bent to match the wing ribs? It only makes sense and from
what I could find online that is the case but I'm wanting to make
sure.....
Regards,
Charles B
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
Yes
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Burkholder
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Center section
Good morning fellow pietenpolers
Just a quick question about the center section. does the 1/8" plywood bottom
get bent to match the wing ribs? It only makes sense and from what I could
find online that is the case but I'm wanting to make sure.....
Regards,
Charles B
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| From: | "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Center section |
thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Center section
Yes
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Burkholder
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:25 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Center section
Good morning fellow pietenpolers
Just a quick question about the center section. does the 1/8" plywood
bottom get bent to match the wing ribs? It only makes sense and from
what I could find online that is the case but I'm wanting to make
sure.....
Regards,
Charles B
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Cooling Corvair Engines with J-3 Style Ears |
In case any of you Corvair Piet builders are not subscribing to William
Wynne's website, here is tonight's link to his thoughts:
http://flycorvair.net/2013/05/30/cooling-with-j-3-style-cowls-pietenpols-cub
s-biplanes-etc/
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | minimum equipment list |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
>From my A&P friend, who is also an EAA Tech Counselor and prolific builder and
pilot:
================
I attached an article on the minimum requirements for an Amateur Built Experimental
aircraft. The minimum requirements fall into three categories for the minimum
requirements. Day VFR, Night VFR, and Day/Night IFR.
Now assuming the Piet referenced is a non electric, Day VFR Aircraft, if you go
down the list, the only piece of Equipment that *MIGHT* be required is an ELT.
Everything else is optional.
So, to start with, a MEL is not required for an amateur built Experimental aircraft.
I have none for any of the three planes I have built. The only requirements
are the basic FAA required paperwork such as Airworthiness, operating limitations
and current inspection. If this owner chooses to create a MEL for his
2 seat non electric Day VFR Piet, it should only have one item on the list
and that is a current ELT.
Now, having written the above based on this article from Sport Aviation, I don't
know of any DAR that will license a plane without items 1 - 7, 9, 12, 15, and
23. Based on that, he could create a MEL with those items on it, but the reality
is that he should call it a PMEC (Personal Minimum Equipment Checklist)
or something similar so as to not confuse any FAA personnel with a genuine MEL
which has legal implications and could be used to ground his aircraft or for
an insurance company to bail on a pay out.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401567#401567
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/1103_abea_requirements_122.pdf
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: insurance question again. |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I'll add my data point. I've been flying without insurance almost since day one,
but when I moved to Medford (controlled field; international, port of entry,
etc.) I couldn't rent a hangar without carrying liability so I took out a policy.
Pretty reasonable, in line with what others have quoted for theirs (couple
of hundred $$ a year, through Falcon). I have a couple of hundred hours in
taildraggers. I am the only covered pilot (operator). Nothing that I've seen
in the policy about limiting passengers or rides.
I got to thinking about this liability insurance as I watched my neighboring pilot/hangar
friends operate their airplanes around me... immaculate Beech Duke,
gorgeous RV-8, very nice Skylane, and so forth. If I'm hand-propping Scout and
the airplane gets away from me and decides to go kiss up to that Duke, I'm
suddenly out of sport aviation if I don't have some liability insurance. Even
worse if Scout goes after a warm body, with or without me at the controls.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401569#401569
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cooling Corvair Engines with J-3 Style Ears |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Well worth reading, too. Thanks for reminding me about William's blog.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401570#401570
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "l.morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale? |
Dan, when you are finished with the "special test" I'm still interested
in getting the Official Scale. I'm almost ready for the D.A.R.
Larry Morlock
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Rhoads
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish
Scale?
Hi Dan,
I'm the guilty party! I was to ship it to the next user awhile back.
Then I was out of town and completely forgot about it.
Tell me where it needs to go and I'll get it shipped.
Perry Rhoads
N12939
Sent from my Motorola ATRIX=84=A2 4G on AT&T
-----Original message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 01:16:40 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish
Scale?
Hello Good People,
I kind of lost track of the whereabouts of the Official Scale. I
would like to get ahold of it for a special test. Could the present
possessor please chime in?
Thanks,
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,=03g=EF=BD=EF=BD
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
OK Larry, I'll let you know.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: l.morlock <l.morlock(at)att.net>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 8:28 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale
?
Dan, when you are finished with the "special test" I'm still interested in
getting the Official Scale. I'm almost ready for the D.A.R.
Larry Morlock
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Rhoads
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Sca
le?
Hi Dan,
I'm the guilty party! I was to ship it to the next user awhile back. Then
I was out of town and completely forgot about it.
Tell me where it needs to go and I'll get it shipped.
Perry Rhoads
N12939
Sent from my Motorola ATRIX=84=A2 4G on AT&T
-----Original message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 01:16:40 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale
?
Hello Good People,
I kind of lost track of the whereabouts of the Official Scale. I would
like to get ahold of it for a special test. Could the present possessor
please chime in?
Thanks,
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,g=EF=BD=EF=BD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Rick, no body to the message. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel flow
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Holy Cow Larry, I just noticed the attached pic of your plane Gorgeous!! Yo
u should be very proud!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: l.morlock <l.morlock(at)att.net>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 8:28 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale
?
Dan, when you are finished with the "special test" I'm still interested in
getting the Official Scale. I'm almost ready for the D.A.R.
Larry Morlock
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Rhoads
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Sca
le?
Hi Dan,
I'm the guilty party! I was to ship it to the next user awhile back. Then
I was out of town and completely forgot about it.
Tell me where it needs to go and I'll get it shipped.
Perry Rhoads
N12939
Sent from my Motorola ATRIX=84=A2 4G on AT&T
-----Original message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 01:16:40 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale
?
Hello Good People,
I kind of lost track of the whereabouts of the Official Scale. I would
like to get ahold of it for a special test. Could the present possessor
please chime in?
Thanks,
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,g=EF=BD=EF=BD
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cooling Corvair Engines with J-3 Style Ears |
| From: | "Tim70" <tdwall(at)comcast.net> |
Gary, Hows your setup working? You have a rather flat cowl front and as I recall
the air flow is restricted side to side in your installation. Your eyebrows
are large however. Interesting to see how summer high temps here will work
out.
The eyebrows that came with mine are not big enough. Now I'm wondering about
the over top circulation William talks about. Tim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401609#401609
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale? |
Larry,
I still haven't heard from you on where to send the scale.
Perry Rhoads
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish
Scale?
Holy Cow Larry, I just noticed the attached pic of your plane
Gorgeous!! You should be very proud!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: l.morlock <l.morlock(at)att.net>
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 8:28 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish
Scale?
Dan, when you are finished with the "special test" I'm still
interested in getting the Official Scale. I'm almost ready for the
D.A.R.
Larry Morlock
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Rhoads
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List
Fish Scale?
Hi Dan,
I'm the guilty party! I was to ship it to the next user awhile back.
Then I was out of town and completely forgot about it.
Tell me where it needs to go and I'll get it shipped.
Perry Rhoads
N12939
Sent from my Motorola ATRIX=84=A2 4G on AT&T
-----Original message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 01:16:40 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish
Scale?
Hello Good People,
I kind of lost track of the whereabouts of the Official Scale. I
would like to get ahold of it for a special test. Could the present
possessor please chime in?
Thanks,
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,g=EF=BD=EF=BD
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cooling Corvair Engines with J-3 Style Ears |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Tim,
I have some suspiciously high temps (on #1), which led to my conversation last
night with WW. I'll try some other fixes before I rebuild the eyebrows (like cross-over
tube!).
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On May 30, 2013, at 10:51 AM, "Tim70" wrote:
>
> Gary, Hows your setup working? You have a rather flat cowl front and as I recall
the air flow is restricted side to side in your installation. Your eyebrows
are large however. Interesting to see how summer high temps here will work
out.
> The eyebrows that came with mine are not big enough. Now I'm wondering about
the over top circulation William talks about. Tim
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401609#401609
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale? |
Should have been "DAN", where do I send the scale? Brain
fart..............
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Rhoads
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish
Scale?
Larry,
I still haven't heard from you on where to send the scale.
Perry Rhoads
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List
Fish Scale?
Holy Cow Larry, I just noticed the attached pic of your plane
Gorgeous!! You should be very proud!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: l.morlock <l.morlock(at)att.net>
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 8:28 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List
Fish Scale?
Dan, when you are finished with the "special test" I'm still
interested in getting the Official Scale. I'm almost ready for the
D.A.R.
Larry Morlock
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Rhoads
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List
Fish Scale?
Hi Dan,
I'm the guilty party! I was to ship it to the next user awhile
back. Then I was out of town and completely forgot about it.
Tell me where it needs to go and I'll get it shipped.
Perry Rhoads
N12939
Sent from my Motorola ATRIX=84=A2 4G on AT&T
-----Original message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 01:16:40 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List
Fish Scale?
Hello Good People,
I kind of lost track of the whereabouts of the Official Scale. I
would like to get ahold of it for a special test. Could the present
possessor please chime in?
Thanks,
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,g=EF=BD=EF=BD
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cooling Corvair Engines with J-3 Style Ears |
| From: | Lion Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
Gary, how did you get in touch with William? He won't call me back. Gardiner
Sent from my iPhone
On May 30, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> I have some suspiciously high temps (on #1), which led to my conversation last
night with WW. I'll try some other fixes before I rebuild the eyebrows (like
cross-over tube!).
>
> Gary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 30, 2013, at 10:51 AM, "Tim70" wrote:
>
>>
>> Gary, Hows your setup working? You have a rather flat cowl front and as I
recall the air flow is restricted side to side in your installation. Your eyebrows
are large however. Interesting to see how summer high temps here will work
out.
>> The eyebrows that came with mine are not big enough. Now I'm wondering about
the over top circulation William talks about. Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401609#401609
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cooling Corvair Engines with J-3 Style Ears |
| From: | "Tim70" <tdwall(at)comcast.net> |
Gary, I had no idea you were the one talking with WW. I am contemplating eyebrows
with center supported by 2" standoffs across the cover. Not sure how to avoid
the starter. Will be taking lots of pics Sat.
Tim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401615#401615
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: minimum equipment list |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Paul; sorry if that came out wrong. It's my buddy Jeff who has built other aircraft,
not me. I'm not in that elite league yet. The Air Camper that I fly was
built by Corky Corbett. I'm about 60% done with a single-place composite high-winger
with VW power, the M-19 "Flying Squirrel", but it has not flown.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401619#401619
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cooling Corvair Engines with J-3 Style Ears |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
"Gary, how did you get in touch with William? He won't call me back. Gardiner"
I have the same problem, Gardiner.
--------
John Francis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401621#401621
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cooling Corvair Engines with J-3 Style Ears |
William and I have a telepathic link.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 3:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cooling Corvair Engines with J-3 Style Ears
-->
"Gary, how did you get in touch with William? He won't call me back.
Gardiner"
I have the same problem, Gardiner.
--------
John Francis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401621#401621
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale? |
Beautiful, Larry!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
l.morlock
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish
Scale?
Dan, when you are finished with the "special test" I'm still interested
in getting the Official Scale. I'm almost ready for the D.A.R.
Larry Morlock
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Rhoads <mailto:prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish
Scale?
Hi Dan,
I'm the guilty party! I was to ship it to the next user awhile back.
Then I was out of town and completely forgot about it.
Tell me where it needs to go and I'll get it shipped.
Perry Rhoads
N12939
Sent from my Motorola ATRIX=84=A2 4G on AT&T
-----Original message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 01:16:40 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale?
Hello Good People,
I kind of lost track of the whereabouts of the Official Scale. I would
like to get ahold of it for a special test. Could the present possessor
please chime in?
Thanks,
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,
_____
g=EF=BD=EF=BD
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Would they allow me to pull my camper onto the grounds?
--------
John Francis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401637#401637
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Is that another one of your nicknames, Dan?
Perry Rhoades wrote:
> Should have been "DAN", where do I send the scale? Brain fart.....
BC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401640#401640
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale? |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Please send it to 265 Marvin Ln., Puryear, TN 38251. Thanks!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Perry Rhoads <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Scale
?
Should have been "DAN", where do I send the scale? Brain fart..............
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Rhoads
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish Sca
le?
Larry,
I still haven't heard from you on where to send the scale.
Perry Rhoads
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish S
cale?
Holy Cow Larry, I just noticed the attached pic of your plane Gorgeous!
! You should be very proud!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: l.morlock <l.morlock(at)att.net>
Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 8:28 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish S
cale?
Dan, when you are finished with the "special test" I'm still interested
in getting the Official Scale. I'm almost ready for the D.A.R.
Larry Morlock
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Rhoads
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish
Scale?
Hi Dan,
I'm the guilty party! I was to ship it to the next user awhile back.
Then I was out of town and completely forgot about it.
Tell me where it needs to go and I'll get it shipped.
Perry Rhoads
N12939
Sent from my Motorola ATRIX=84=A2 4G on AT&T
-----Original message-----
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 01:16:40 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Location of Official Pietenpol List Fish
Scale?
Hello Good People,
I kind of lost track of the whereabouts of the Official Scale. I wo
uld like to get ahold of it for a special test. Could the present p
ossessor please chime in?
Thanks,
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Brodhead camping |
Camping is encouraged at Brodhead with a few "rules". Remember to pay your
camping "donation" at the little table under the covered tables, it's like
five bucks or so and you get a souvenir pin and help their efforts.
Campers, tents etc in areas on the east wide of the closed runway which is
the area next to the entrance road where all the hangars are. People camp
along the treeline on the west side of the closed runway but it is
designated ONLY for tent camping and last year they wouldn't even let a
vehicle drive over there, you had to carry all your stuff across.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Don't know about yours but I'm pulling mine on to the field again
John
Sent from my iPhone
On May 30, 2013, at 10:05 PM, "John Francis" wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead camping |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
As Douwe said, camping at Brodhead is operated on a donation basis. However, I
would suggest that the donation be a little more generous than five bucks. That
would barely cover the cost of the souvenir pin, let alone renting the porta-potties
and providing hot water for showers. I think twenty per person might
be a better starting point (feel free to go up from there). Typical fees at
a campground run at least 20 dollars a night, so it's still a bargain.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401659#401659
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
On 5/30/2013 11:13 AM, C N Campbell wrote:
>
>
> Rick, no body to the message. C
I'll try this again......
I rolled out the Piet Wednesday for the first fueling. I wanted to check
fuel flow, primer function and if I had any leaks. I have a 19 gal nose
tank and a Stromberg NAS3B carb. Initially I added 1/2 gal of fuel and
allowed it to drain completely at a angle of attack of about 20 deg.
When I checked for the remaining unusable fuel it was only about 4 oz!
Next I added the 1/2 gallon back in and checked for fuel flow. With my
Corvair engine the FARs say I should have a fuel flow at the carb of at
least 9 gph, if the Corvair burns 6 gph. What I was able to measure was
a fuel flow of 22.5 gph. The primer worked fine and there were no leaks.
As soon as the prop comes in I will be ready for first engine start.
Rick Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead camping |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
That's what I do Bill.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On May 31, 2013, at 8:04 AM, "Bill Church" wrote:
>
> As Douwe said, camping at Brodhead is operated on a donation basis. However,
I would suggest that the donation be a little more generous than five bucks.
That would barely cover the cost of the souvenir pin, let alone renting the porta-potties
and providing hot water for showers. I think twenty per person might
be a better starting point (feel free to go up from there). Typical fees
at a campground run at least 20 dollars a night, so it's still a bargain.
> Bill C.
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401659#401659
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Rick, sounds great. Congratulations on your progress. Ken
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Rick Schreiber wrote:
> On 5/30/2013 11:13 AM, C N Campbell wrote:
>
>> cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
>>
>> Rick, no body to the message. C
>>
> I'll try this again......
>
> I rolled out the Piet Wednesday for the first fueling. I wanted to check
> fuel flow, primer function and if I had any leaks. I have a 19 gal nose
> tank and a Stromberg NAS3B carb. Initially I added 1/2 gal of fuel and
> allowed it to drain completely at a angle of attack of about 20 deg. When I
> checked for the remaining unusable fuel it was only about 4 oz! Next I
> added the 1/2 gallon back in and checked for fuel flow. With my Corvair
> engine the FARs say I should have a fuel flow at the carb of at least 9
> gph, if the Corvair burns 6 gph. What I was able to measure was a fuel flow
> of 22.5 gph. The primer worked fine and there were no leaks. As soon as the
> prop comes in I will be ready for first engine start.
>
> Rick Schreiber
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Lookin' good, Rick!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Schreiber
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel flow
On 5/30/2013 11:13 AM, C N Campbell wrote:
>
>
> Rick, no body to the message. C
I'll try this again......
I rolled out the Piet Wednesday for the first fueling. I wanted to check
fuel flow, primer function and if I had any leaks. I have a 19 gal nose tank
and a Stromberg NAS3B carb. Initially I added 1/2 gal of fuel and allowed it
to drain completely at a angle of attack of about 20 deg.
When I checked for the remaining unusable fuel it was only about 4 oz!
Next I added the 1/2 gallon back in and checked for fuel flow. With my
Corvair engine the FARs say I should have a fuel flow at the carb of at
least 9 gph, if the Corvair burns 6 gph. What I was able to measure was a
fuel flow of 22.5 gph. The primer worked fine and there were no leaks.
As soon as the prop comes in I will be ready for first engine start.
Rick Schreiber
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | what a beautiful place for a Piet fly-in |
Hope you all have a great time this weekend at the West Coast Piet gatherin
g at his gorgeous airport!
Frazier Lake Airport just north of Hollister, CA. Photo by Tom Reeves.
[cid:image001.png(at)01CE5DF8.AD01C510]
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Gas tank strap padding |
UNCLASSIFIED
Now for my questions on Fuel tank straps.
I am installing the front fuel tank. The straps are ready but I need to put something
onto the aluminum straps that will hold my front tank for vibration. IE
lining the straps with a rubber strap.
I am currently doing a test on some foam and rubber that I have on hand. They I
have used some Neoprene type rubber in other gas tank repairs. Perhaps McMaster-Carr.
The straps will not set in gas, but gas will at some point be spilled on them.
One similar situation is on the straps that hold my oil tank/cooler in my old Bonanza
(it is a dry sump with an external oil tank.) One current Bonanza guru
uses a heat shrink wrap
over the foam rubber since the origional is no longer available.
Any Ideas from the Peanut gallery? What have you used.
BTW The oil cooler/tank on my 1948 Vtail is an elegantly simple solution. The oil
is pumped up to the tank from the engine and dumped on top of the side of a
bundle of 50 or so "straws" inside the tank. The straws are on 1/2 of the tank,
open ended to the outside and oriented so that the open ends face into and
away from the airflow in the engine compartment. Cooling air blows through the
straws as the hot oil flows around the straws.
Cool Oil is too thick to flow between the straws. This cool oil overflows a "dam"
and flows to the side of the tank without the straws and is dumped into the
bottom of the tank and is sent back to the engine. As it warms up, it flows through
the straws more until it is thin and all flows through the cooling straws.
Very simple, no moving parts, valves, or anything mechanical to break.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: what a beautiful place for a Piet fly-in |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
At least there are no trees to crash into!
Sent from my iPhone
On May 31, 2013, at 9:16 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, L
LC]" wrote:
> Hope you all have a great time this weekend at the West Coast Piet gatheri
ng at his gorgeous airport!
>
> Frazier Lake Airport just north of Hollister, CA. Photo by Tom Reeves.
>
>
>
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Gas tank strap padding |
UNCLASSIFIED
One more detail. The Aux tank, Top wing, has a felt padding.
Steve
On 05/31/13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote:
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> Now for my questions on Fuel tank straps.
>
> I am installing the front fuel tank. The straps are ready but I need to put something
onto the aluminum straps that will hold my front tank for vibration.
IE lining the straps with a rubber strap.
>
> I am currently doing a test on some foam and rubber that I have on hand. They
I have used some Neoprene type rubber in other gas tank repairs. Perhaps McMaster-Carr.
>
> The straps will not set in gas, but gas will at some point be spilled on them.
> One similar situation is on the straps that hold my oil tank/cooler in my old
Bonanza (it is a dry sump with an external oil tank.) One current Bonanza guru
uses a heat shrink wrap
> over the foam rubber since the origional is no longer available.
>
> Any Ideas from the Peanut gallery? What have you used.
>
> BTW The oil cooler/tank on my 1948 Vtail is an elegantly simple solution. The
oil is pumped up to the tank from the engine and dumped on top of the side of
a bundle of 50 or so "straws" inside the tank. The straws are on 1/2 of the tank,
open ended to the outside and oriented so that the open ends face into and
away from the airflow in the engine compartment. Cooling air blows through the
straws as the hot oil flows around the straws.
>
> Cool Oil is too thick to flow between the straws. This cool oil overflows a "dam"
and flows to the side of the tank without the straws and is dumped into the
bottom of the tank and is sent back to the engine. As it warms up, it flows
through the straws more until it is thin and all flows through the cooling straws.
>
> Very simple, no moving parts, valves, or anything mechanical to break.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Rick, would you mind sharing some pictures of your fuel tank? It sounds like it
functions very nice.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I'd second the Bearhawk. My dad started one, but bailed. Just a nice looking
plane, nice features, good numbers.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401681#401681
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank strap padding |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve: the tank straps on Scout are padded with felt, maybe 1/4" thick. Not sure
where Corky got it. The felt is tacked/glued onto the metal straps to keep
it in place. You can see it in the second picture up from the bottom, here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incident/incident.html
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401682#401682
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank strap padding |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Oops... third picture from the bottom, not second picture.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401685#401685
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| Subject: | Re: what a beautiful place for a Piet fly-in |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
It even has a pond if Gary's wheels happen to fall off for some unknown reason..
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401688#401688
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| From: | "Allan Macklem" <awmacklem(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
I=92m sure some of you that have built Riblett 612 ribs can help with
this.
I purchased the 612 plans several years ago and when I started to build
ribs
recently I found that the paper template had shrunk. So, using the X,Y
plot
points provided I decided to loft a new template. The upper and lower
points are plotted and connected and the profile and outer dimensions
look
correct.
My problem is how to locate the spars. I see that the center to center
measurement between the =BE=94 spars is 28 =BE=94, but where on the X
axis is the
main spar located? Are the spars perpendicular to the cord line or
relative
to something else? The template I received shows them canted forward
about
five degrees from perpendicular to the cord.
The same is true of the internal braces. Is there anything that tells
exactly where they go?
I=92m uncomfortable with all of this because with so much precision in
an
airfoil I=92d like to think there is a function or purpose for most of
the
dimensions.
Allan Macklem
Late Starter
Elkhorn, NE
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| From: | Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Michael,
There is a side view drawing without dimensions on West Coast Piet. When I g
et home from the airport tonight I will try and post pictures and a dimensio
ned drawing.
Rick Schreiber
Sent from my iPad
On May 31, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Michael Perez wrote
:
>
> Rick, would you mind sharing some pictures of your fuel tank? It sounds li
ke it functions very nice.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Macklem
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil
I'm sure some of you that have built Riblett 612 ribs can help with
this.
I purchased the 612 plans several years ago and when I started to
build ribs recently I found that the paper template had shrunk. So,
using the X,Y plot points provided I decided to loft a new template.
The upper and lower points are plotted and connected and the profile and
outer dimensions look correct.
My problem is how to locate the spars. I see that the center to
center measurement between the =BE" spars is 28 =BE", but where on the X
axis is the main spar located? Are the spars perpendicular to the cord
line or relative to something else? The template I received shows them
canted forward about five degrees from perpendicular to the cord.
The same is true of the internal braces. Is there anything that tells
exactly where they go?
I'm uncomfortable with all of this because with so much precision in
an airfoil I'd like to think there is a function or purpose for most of
the dimensions.
Allan Macklem
Late Starter
Elkhorn, NE
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
Michael, why don't you help Allan out -- didn't you use the 612 Riblett?
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Macklem
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil
I'm sure some of you that have built Riblett 612 ribs can help with
this.
I purchased the 612 plans several years ago and when I started to
build ribs recently I found that the paper template had shrunk. So,
using the X,Y plot points provided I decided to loft a new template.
The upper and lower points are plotted and connected and the profile and
outer dimensions look correct.
My problem is how to locate the spars. I see that the center to
center measurement between the =BE" spars is 28 =BE", but where on the X
axis is the main spar located? Are the spars perpendicular to the cord
line or relative to something else? The template I received shows them
canted forward about five degrees from perpendicular to the cord.
The same is true of the internal braces. Is there anything that tells
exactly where they go?
I'm uncomfortable with all of this because with so much precision in
an airfoil I'd like to think there is a function or purpose for most of
the dimensions.
Allan Macklem
Late Starter
Elkhorn, NE
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
| From: | Scott Liefeld <pietman(at)qnet.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank strap padding |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
I also used felt strips for my fuel tank straps. Aircraft Spruce sells it
with an adhesive backing. I couldn't find true felt anywhere locally until
one day I was in our local Ace Hardware looking for some household items.
There it was, on a bottom shelf, looking right back at me, near the parts
for garage door repairs. It turns out that felt strips are used to better
seal between the horizontal garage door panels to keep out the wind and
cold. It comes in varying widths and was remarkably cheap, no doubt
because it apparently didn't occur to anyone to sell it for airplane use.
Cheers, Ken
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:45 AM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Oops... third picture from the bottom, not second picture.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401685#401685
>
>
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
I'll be there in the morning!=0A=0AMike Groah=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________
_________________=0A From: Scott Liefeld <pietman(at)qnet.com>=0ATo: Michael G
roah =0ACc: Piet List
; Gary Boothe ; Fritz Watson ;
Larry Kruchten ; John Doig ; George
Benson ; glenf(at)ccountry.com; thephoebusc(at)aol.com; Wa
lt Bowe ; Patrick Panzera ; Pat Panzera =0ASent: Friday, May 31,
2013 2:52 PM=0ASubject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering=0A =0A=0A=0AMik
e Madrid and my self are here. Already have seen Charlie. When should we be
seeing the rest of you folks?=0ACheers, Scott Liefeld=0A=0ASent from my MO
TOROLA ATRIX=84=A2 HD on AT&T=0A=0AMichael Groah
wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ATo those planning on flying into the West Coast Pie
tenpol Gathering this Saturday you need to remember your stakes and rope or
other tie downs!=C2- =0A=0A=0AThis is going to be a great weekend and it
looks like we're going to have a great turnout.=C2- I look forward to se
eing all of you there.=C2-=0A=0AMike Groah
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| Subject: | Re: Gas tank strap padding |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Clarification. I used the felt strips as cushioning material between the
fuel tanks and the metal straps that do the work holding the tanks in place.
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:
> I also used felt strips for my fuel tank straps. Aircraft Spruce sells it
> with an adhesive backing. I couldn't find true felt anywhere locally until
> one day I was in our local Ace Hardware looking for some household items.
> There it was, on a bottom shelf, looking right back at me, near the parts
> for garage door repairs. It turns out that felt strips are used to better
> seal between the horizontal garage door panels to keep out the wind and
> cold. It comes in varying widths and was remarkably cheap, no doubt
> because it apparently didn't occur to anyone to sell it for airplane use.
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:45 AM, taildrags wrote:
>
>>
>> Oops... third picture from the bottom, not second picture.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401685#401685
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
11 ish tomorrow
Sent from my iPhone
On May 31, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Scott Liefeld wrote:
> Mike Madrid and my self are here. Already have seen Charlie. When should w
e be seeing the rest of you folks?
> Cheers, Scott Liefeld
>
> Sent from my MOTOROLA ATRIX=84=A2 HD on AT&T
>
>
> Michael Groah wrote:
>
>
>
> To those planning on flying into the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering this S
aturday you need to remember your stakes and rope or other tie downs!
>
> This is going to be a great weekend and it looks like we're going to have a
great turnout. I look forward to seeing all of you there.
>
> Mike Groah
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
| From: | Patrick Panzera <editor(at)contactmagazine.com> |
And for those of you who can, please join us next weekend at Marysville!
http://www.contactmagazine.com/roundup.html
Pat
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Scott Liefeld wrote:
> Mike Madrid and my self are here. Already have seen Charlie. When should
> we be seeing the rest of you folks?
> Cheers, Scott Liefeld
>
> *Sent from my MOTOROLA ATRIX=99 HD on AT&T*
>
>
> Michael Groah wrote:
>
>
> To those planning on flying into the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering this
> Saturday you need to remember your stakes and rope or other tie downs!
>
> This is going to be a great weekend and it looks like we're going to have
> a great turnout. I look forward to seeing all of you there.
>
> Mike Groah
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Thanks Rick. My tank is complete and installed, but I always like to see how others
fabricate/build things. Looking forward to the pictures. Thanks again.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Alternative Engine Round up |
Here's a reminder about the Alternative Engine Round-up which is June 8 in
Marysville=2C CA:
http://www.contactmagazine.com/roundup.html
This plane has already registered:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=470281659713290&set=a.155149867
893139.38719.133387926736000&type=1&theater
What's an alternative engine? How about a Ford Fiesta=2C Mitsubishi forkli
ft=2C Corvair=2C or many other such engines that Piets have been powered wi
th over the years? Does that mean there won't be any Lycoming/Continental/
Franklin/Tigre engines there? No=2C probably not =3Bo)
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
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| From: | "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> |
| Subject: | Center section rear cutout. |
Hi guys I was just getting ready to fire up my table saw tonight to cut
out the trailing edge piece for the center section when I thought about
making the rear semicircle cutout from the center section. Would you
greatly recommend this and is it hard to do? Does it greatly help
getting in and out of the cockpit? Thanks in advance....
CB
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
I am just now seeing Alan's Riblett question. I doubt I can help much, but.
..
-
"So, using the X,Y plot points provided I decided to loft a new template."
-- I am not sure what you mean. I am looking at my original-612 print
, (from 9/5/06) and do not see any X/Y plots.-
-
My print has the trailing edge drawn...both side and top views.- From the
tip of the trailing edge to the rear face of the first vertical support, i
t is shown as 11-3/4" on the drawing. From that point to the rear face of t
he rear spar, I measure another 11-3/4". From the rear face of the rear spa
r to the rear face of the front spar is 28-3/4", as you already noted. draw
ing uses 3/4" spars. All of these measurements are measure along the bottom
of the airfoil.
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If I may be of any further assistance, please let me know.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
| From: | Scott Liefeld <pietman(at)qnet.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: Center section rear cutout. |
| From: | Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Charles,
When I started my project 10 years ago I did not plan on putting in a cut ou
t or a flop. Seven years ago I was far enough along that I was able to put t
he center section above the fuselage with mocked up cardboard wing bottoms. I
tried getting in and out of the fuselage with the fuselage in the proper on
the ground stance. Fast forward to last summer and the wings are on, the ce
nter section is on and the fuselage is on its gear. My cabanes are extended 2
inches and I slanted the wing back 4 inches for testing. I could get in but
it was more difficult. My AP/IA kept trying to tell me to put in a flop or a
cutout but I resisted. Finally, I sat in the cockpit for one hour then trie
d to get out. I did it, but it was a struggle. I decided then to take the ce
nter section home and install a flop. What a difference! It was only a half d
ays work, but well worth it. It would have been a whole lot easier if I did i
t during the original center section construction.
If you go to Chris Tracy's West Coast Piet site and look under my photos, yo
u can see a photo of my set up.
Rick Schreiber
Sent from my iPad
On May 31, 2013, at 5:49 PM, "Charles Burkholder" w
rote:
> Hi guys I was just getting ready to fire up my table saw tonight to cut o
ut the trailing edge piece for the center section when I thought about makin
g the rear semicircle cutout from the center section. Would you greatly reco
mmend this and is it hard to do? Does it greatly help getting in and out of t
he cockpit? Thanks in advance....
> CB
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Center section rear cutout. |
I did the "typical" rounded cut out in my CS. However, if doing it again, I
would consider a "flop" instead. I believe there is some debate as to if r
emoving the rear of the CS for the cutout decreases lift/performance, howev
er a flop leaves the CS airfoil shape completely intact and still hinges ou
t of the way to get in/out.
-
I personally prefer the ascetics of the cutout, but a flop sounds to be a "
win-win."
-
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
| From: | markmckellar(at)reagan.com |
Michael,
Did you build your ribs with the spars perpendicular to the chord line?
Mark McKellar
Mt. Pleasant TX
-----Original Message-----
From: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 6:07pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil
I am just now seeing Alan's Riblett question. I doubt I can help much, but...
"So, using the X,Y plot points provided I decided to loft a new template." I am
not sure what you mean. I am looking at my original612 print, (from 9/5/06) and
do not see any X/Y plots.
My print has the trailing edge drawn...both side and top views. From the tip of
the trailing edge to the rear face of the first vertical support, it is shown
as 11-3/4" on the drawing. From that point to the rear face of the rear spar,
I measure another 11-3/4". From the rear face of the rear spar to the rear face
of the front spar is 28-3/4", as you already noted. drawing uses 3/4" spars.
All of these measurements are measure along the bottom of the airfoil.
If I may be of any further assistance, please let me know.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
FWIW, I did my 613.5 the way it sounds like Paul did. Spars are perpendicular in
reference to the lower cap strip. Also, I built the ribs anticipating a 1 inch
spar. I then used the same measurements as the Pietenpol airfoil ( 6 and 3/4"
from nose to front face of the front spar, 28 and 3/4" front face of front
spar to face of rear spar, etc).
I hope that helps.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Fuel tank pictures |
Michael,
As promised here are some photos of my fuel tank installation. The total
volume as planned and then by actual measurement came out to 19 gal.
There is plenty of clearance for the front passenger including lots of
room for operating the rudder pedals. If anyone would like to see
dimensioned drawings I can post them later.
19 gal will probably give me 2 hrs and 45 min with a half hour reserve.
Probably the only time I will fly with a full tank is going to Brodhead.
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Hi Scott,
Arl ene and I are here as well but don[t know the combination to get in the airport.
We saw your planes as we drove by. Will see you tomorrow morning.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Well for what it's worth to the group, here is some files I created 2 years ago
to potentially sell Riblett GAU30-612 rib jigs. I plotted the DAT files that
have been posted here before in my CAD software and the jig files were created
to be punched on a CNC router. My '613.5' jig was popped out this way and that's
what I am building on.
So, this is posted "as-is". It is accurate to the dat files I was given (and the
coorinates posted here as well), so have at it.
As to the spar dimentions, they are spaced at 27.75" as per the original plans,
and the internal struts and wing elements were dimensioned from the original
piet FC-10 airfoil that I purchased (i.e.: The measurements for all related parts
was taken from the original plans and copied to the new airfoil... so, however
far the spar was from the front of the airfoil, that's how far it was on
my plans...) I have chosen to fil the entire spar locations on my design top
to bottom with a spar, as I am making my wing longer than plans (please, no flames
:o) I am a heretic.
Also, the attached DXF includes routing for the glue pots beneath the intersections
where the glue can drop down and not stick to the jig surface. That is what
the 'pots' reference is for: glue "pots" beneath the junctions.
Hope this helps anyone building a Riblett 612 airfoil! As always in Experimental
aviation, your altitude may vary...
Enjoy!
Mark
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/airfoil_612_incidence_221.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/riblett_airfoil_167.xls
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
I wish I was there camping tonight... :o(
See ya'll in the morning!!
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| Subject: | Re: Alternative Engine Round up |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Stinking Weddings....!
Just because my nephew is getting married on the same day, does that mean I HAVE
to attend the ceremony? Just because my brother attended MY daughter's wedding
last weekend, does that mean I HAVE to go to HIS kid's wedding when there is
an alternative engine roundup on the same stinking weekend???
Life is full of difficult choices...
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| Subject: | Re: Center section rear cutout. |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Interesting discussion... I had never considered anything but the cut out until
this... Now I am leaning toward a Flop.
Thanks fellers...
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: what a beautiful place for a Piet fly-in |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Mike Cuy:
I sure wish you could attend the event, as I would love to meet you. I think you
must be the most generous and considerate person on the list. You know, the
first event I attended (year 2) was attended by the ubiquitous Jim Markle...
You are truly the "Godfather" of the piet list.
I promise to say nice things about you at the group meeting tomorrow!
:o)
Mark
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
This comes up once in a while, and was discussed within the last year or
two.
My evidence is only from others as I've not flown a Piet with a cutout.
There was an article in a BPA backissue where a guy with a cutout was told
that it decreased lift and caused more turbulence over the tailfeathers. He
didn't really know what to believe so he took the eminently practical step
of making a foam "filler" for the cutout and duct-taping it in and then went
flying.
He reported a marked improvement in handling.
"All I know is what I read in the papers" Will Rogers.
Douwe
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
I've flown a number of Piets, mostly with cutouts (although John Hofmann's
cutout is very small - just sort of a suggestion of a cutout). I've never
noticed any downdraft blowing down my back. Does it decrease left? It
would almost certainly have to, since it does decrease wing area. But one
other thing a cutout adds besides ease of entry is much improved visibility.
In a steep turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you have
a splendid view through the cutout over the wing.
I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat solution
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 7:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flop vs cutout
This comes up once in a while, and was discussed within the last year or
two.
My evidence is only from others as I've not flown a Piet with a cutout.
There was an article in a BPA backissue where a guy with a cutout was told
that it decreased lift and caused more turbulence over the tailfeathers. He
didn't really know what to believe so he took the eminently practical step
of making a foam "filler" for the cutout and duct-taping it in and then went
flying.
He reported a marked improvement in handling.
"All I know is what I read in the papers" Will Rogers.
Douwe
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
My cutout is useless for much of anything but like Jack stated, I don't
have an issue with wind down my back.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 1, 2013, at 8:32 AM, "Jack Phillips"
wrote:
> I=92ve flown a number of Piets, mostly with cutouts (although John
Hofmann=92s cutout is very small ' just sort of a suggestion of a
cutout). I=92ve never noticed any downdraft blowing down my back. Does
it decrease left? It would almost certainly have to, since it does
decrease wing area. But one other thing a cutout adds besides ease of
entry is much improved visibility. In a steep turn, when chasing that
Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you have a splendid view through the
cutout over the wing.
>
> I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat solution
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 7:54 AM
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: flop vs cutout
>
> This comes up once in a while, and was discussed within the last year
or two.
>
> My evidence is only from others as I=92ve not flown a Piet with a
cutout. There was an article in a BPA backissue where a guy with a
cutout was told that it decreased lift and caused more turbulence over
the tailfeathers. He didn=92t really know what to believe so he took
the eminently practical step of making a foam =93filler=94 for the
cutout and duct-taping it in and then went flying.
>
> He reported a marked improvement in handling.
>
> =93All I know is what I read in the papers=94 Will Rogers.
>
> Douwe
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lofting GAU30-612 Airfoil |
My-procedure was to copy the full size plan so I could use the copy and k
eep the original in tact. The copy was then layed down and the jig built ov
er top of it. All rib pieces were cut and fitted to lay exactly on the full
size plan I copied.-
-
So, my spars are layed out the same as the drawing. They do not look, to me
, to be perpendicular, but I can't guess at the angle either.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank pictures |
Thank you Rick. What a nice tank, very clean. Looks like it has baffles inside,
yes?
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
I would imagine that the down wash of air off of the cut out would also be
related to the position of the wing. With wings being placed is various pos
itions for W&B, that changes the relationship between the wing and pilot. E
ase of getting in/out and down wash on the pilots back would be different p
lane to plane.- I would guess that those with wings swept back, the pilot
sits more "under" the wing and does not get as much wind down the back. I
would also guess that swept back wings close up the cockpit making getting
in and out harder.
-
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) |
Thanks for the suggestions guys. If that day EVER comes, it won't be for quite
some time. I have a TON of wood projects to do for the house/family first.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank pictures |
| From: | Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Thanks Michael,
Yes it does have baffles fore and aft to serve as stiffeners and to minimize
fuel sloshing. If I had it to do over again I probably would make the tank s
lightly smaller.
Rick Schreiber
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 1, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
>
> Thank you Rick. What a nice tank, very clean. Looks like it has baffles in
side, yes?
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank pictures |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Rick; nice tank! Very similar to mine, except yours holds more fuel. One thing
I will point out, something that I learned from the nose-over, is that the front
crossmember that the tank support straps mount to can be a weak point. Take
a look at the second picture here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/fueltank.html
The member cracked right where the strap fastening bolt (AN3) goes through, and
the small gusset glue joints at the uprights let go. When I rebuilt the support
crossmember, I made it a little deeper (I think I used 1"x3/4") and more generous
support haunches at the uprights, to provide more glue surface. If you
haven't covered up the front with your firewall yet, you may consider installing
corner gusset 'haunches' where the crossmember attaches to the uprights.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Disclaimer: I have never flown in a Piet with the cutout, only with a flop. The
cutout on Scout had slide latches on the underside to hold it in place, but
I never used them and the flop never tended to lift up in flight or on the ground,
so I removed them. I may regret it if a gust ever gets under it while the
airplane is parked, because if it flops forward in a hurry, the hinge is toast.
I use the flop each and every time I fly, and I love it. I am 5'-9", 154#, so
I'm fairly limber and I still can't imagine how you crawl in and out of the cockpit
without a cutout or flop. Scout has the cabanes swept back 4" and I believe
they are a little longer than stock, too.
My routine on climbing in is to grab the cabanes, put one foot on the step, and
as I swing in I push the flop up with my head. It follows me as I climb down
into the cockpit. No motions of the hand are required. Climbing out is the
reverse... I stand in the cockpit, pushing the flop up with my head, and climb
out.
I have tried pushing the flop up into the airstream while in flight and there is
a good steady aerodynamic force holding it down. I also appreciate having it
there to deflect the air past the cockpit.
Cutouts are cool, but I think the flop is better.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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When I first flew my Piet in 1970 it had a cutout above the rear
cockpit, and I flew it that way for a couple of years. Then I re-worked
the center section and installed a hinged =9Cflop=9D in
order to perhaps gain a bit of lift and reduce turbulence over the tail
surfaces. I cannot say that the lift was perceptively increased, but the
airflow over the tail was definitely smoother (as felt in the control
stick; no perceptible difference was felt in the rudder controls).
Interestingly, when one raises the =9Cflop=9D trailing edge
in flight, the nose promptly drops. My theory (and it is only a theory)
is that raising the =9Cflop=9D spoils the airflow over the
horizontal tail surfaces which are carrying a download and the nose
pitches down as a result. Another theory: The in-flight photos of many
Piets show the elevators drooping a bit and this may be partly due to
the downwash from the wing. The in-flight photos of some early aircraft
(eg. Sopwith Pup) also show this characteristic which may be caused by
the downwash from the upper wing. Probably the weight of unbalanced
elevators at low airspeeds is also a factor; there isn=99t enough
force generated to overcome both gravity and the downwash effect.
Anyway, this is largely speculation and we don=99t need to worry
because the Pietenpol flies just fine, with or without a
=9Cflop=9D.
Cheers,
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in Alberta, Canada)
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| From: | Ohbejoyful <ohbejoyful10(at)gmail.com> |
I have completed most of the woodwork on my Pietenpol fuselage and am getting ready
to order more wood.
I was wondering if anyone has a complete wood list for the Pietenpol Air Camper
per the 1933 plans. I am finding that some of the materials lists and preorder
wood kits are for the GN-1 but I have not found a list for the Original Pietenpol.
Thanks
Joseph Jameson
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in |
just like to say all you guys tanks for by so frienly and nice people todey
these was bery wonderfull time shared your ideas and advice,wonderfull mea
l and was bery plaseto meet you all of you seyou nex jorge from hanford=0A
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2 |
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in3 |
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in3 |
| From: | Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Great meeting you today, Jorge!
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:08 PM, jorge lizarraga wrote:
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
Why not have the best of both worlds?
The open areas will be covered in lexan.
Clif
"The true method of knowledge is experiment." (William Blake)
In a steep turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you
have a splendid view through the cutout over the wing.
I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat solution
Jack Phillips
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| Subject: | Re: On to Brodhead fly-in, Indiana, July 23 |
| From: | "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
Brodhead is off the table for me this year, but I think I can make this in a Tcraft
with my wife driving support.
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www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I ordered my wood package from Aircraft Spruce in 2009, before they broke it up
into "wing", "fuse", "stab" etc. At that time, the contents of their package
was very close to Robert McKinley's list that was compiled many years ago. I
took the time to update the list a while back (attached), keeping Robert's details
in tact, but adding a few of my own comments to indicate what I inventoried
in my AS&S package, and by my experience, where some of the materials should
be used.
I'm told that the individual wood packages contain the same items as the previous
offering when combined, they are just broken up into more affordable smaller
packages. I'll say this... if you order the wing pack and fuse pack separately,
i.e. 14' spars and 15' longerons, as in, the freight truck has to deliver
twice... you've saved nothing.
The count column in the attached list is my count... I have made notes where it
differs from Robert's. In my estimate, the AS&S complete wood package, along
with a AS&S "Bargain Bag of Spruce" is all that is needed to complete all wood
construction minus wing ribs, wing tip bows and necessary plywood. The Bargain
Bag of Spruce really is a good value... I dig into that pile all the time.
Hope this helps!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401806#401806
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/material_list_163.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
"Chasing the Hun"... I can't wait!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix. If you
are planning a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will
inevitably trickle down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really doesn't
like gas. If you are planning a nose tank, this wouldn't be an issue. Ken
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:
> **
> Why not have the best of both worlds?
>
> The open areas will be covered in lexan.
>
> Clif
>
> "The true method of knowledge is experiment." (William Blake<http://quote.robertgenn.com/auth_search.php?name=William+Blake>
> )
>
>
> In a steep turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you
> have a splendid view through the cutout over the wing.
> I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat solution
> Jack Phillips****
>
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in |
It truly was a pleasure to visit with you and share ideas. You are always
welcome at our place. Hope you had a good time and will come back next ye
ar Vic
Date: Sat=2C 1 Jun 2013 21:58:53 -0700
From: flightwood(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in
just like to say all you guys tanks for by so frienly and nice people todey
these was bery wonderfull time shared your ideas and advice=2Cwonderfull m
eal and was bery plaseto meet you all of you seyou nex jorge from hanford
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2 |
good to see the progress. keep up the good work and come over and see if y
ou can use that strut material. Vic
Date: Sat=2C 1 Jun 2013 22:04:33 -0700
From: flightwood(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in4 |
hanford piet more pict.
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 10:08 PM
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in4 |
tanks Vick for be so frienly and bery nice person all you these is some mor
e of my pict seyou wen coming bac from mexico aroun july 20.jorge from hanf
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol fly-in2 |
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Floorboard refinish |
UNCLASSIFIED
Gentlemen (and Oscar ;+), I am about to reinstall the floorboards and will need
to replace a couple of floorboards and finish and refinish all of them.
I want to keep the wood exposed. Like John, I love the look.
Any suggestions on stain, lacquer, and sealant for these floorboards. (PS I prefer
rattlecans for this small a project.
Any other suggestions, IE on my bonanza I spray every crevice with Corrosion-X
in an effort to keep it whole . Is there any product that is similar for spruce?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
UNCLASSIFIED
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
UNCLASSIFIED
What materiel is gasoline resistant that will do what we want? I looked up plex
and Lexan and The chemical sheet said that Lexan would resist benzine, but Plex
would not. Mine has a nose tank and a Center section wing AUX tank.
Blue Skies,
Steve
On 06/02/13, Ken Bickers wrote:
> Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix. If you are planning
a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will inevitably trickle
down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really doesn't like gas. If
you are planning a nose tank, this wouldn't be an issue. Ken
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:
>
> > Why not have the best of both worlds?
> >
> > The open areas will be covered in lexan.
> >
> > Clif
> >
> > "The true method of knowledge is experiment." (William Blake(blockedhttp://quote.robertgenn.com/auth_search.php?name=William+Blake))
> >
> >
> > In a steep turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you have
a splendid view through the cutout over the wing.
> > I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat solution
> > Jack Phillips
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Floorboard refinish |
Dortch
Use west system epoxy. That is 105 resin & 205 hardener. Wears good.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floorboard refinish
>
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> Gentlemen (and Oscar ;+), I am about to reinstall the floorboards and will
> need to replace a couple of floorboards and finish and refinish all of
> them.
>
> I want to keep the wood exposed. Like John, I love the look.
>
> Any suggestions on stain, lacquer, and sealant for these floorboards. (PS
> I prefer rattlecans for this small a project.
>
> Any other suggestions, IE on my bonanza I spray every crevice with
> Corrosion-X in an effort to keep it whole . Is there any product that is
> similar for spruce?
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
> UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: Floorboard refinish |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Well timed question for me too... I just finished the second coat of varnish (man-o-war
spar varnish) on the exposed areas of my fuse, and one coat on the rear
of the fuse.
Even after sitting for a week, the "stirred well before application" second coat
seems soft and pills up with a light sanding (102 degrees today so it should
be 'cured' after a week I'd guess). First coat is hard and dry... Second coat
seems like I could scratch it easily, and it is the floor of the fuse inside.
Can I use West System Epoxy to make a final coat over the varnish, or would that
prevent some kind of 'curing' that I am unaware of with the varnish...? I am
using the West Systems 105 and 205 to build the plane and it is outstanding
stuff. I spoke to a friend at church that built an all wood Barracuda and used
West Systems for his sealing finish and really likes it, but I am afraid of making
a mess if I paint over the varnish with it and it needs a month or something
to finally set.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: A Pietenpol named Mr. Sam |
| From: | "M. Zeke Zechini" <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
My Comanche co-owner still a member of 186. I want to borrow their scales to do
W&B...
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 20, 2013, at 9:14 PM, "Fun2av8" wrote:
>
> Absorbing .... Lots of great stuff. As luck would have it EAA Chapter 186
was out at KCJR today and will be there again tomorrow. I'm going to go introduce
myself. Their website has a really great tutorial on W&B that reads well
with Tools comments.
>
> Got homework to do ... :-)
>
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> Jim McWhorter
> N687MB (New Owner)
> Culpeper, VA KCJR
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Piet plans as amended by Grega |
UNCLASSIFIED
The logbook on my Piet says. it is an "Pietenpol aircamper......in accordance with
the original drawings as amended by John w. Grega to include...."
forward section of the fuselage is extended 6 inches for the different motor.
Wing built in 3 sections
with a 9.5 gallon gas tank in upper wing.
also the
Right gear is J3 cub. Left gear was fabricated to match.
By all appearances this is a Piet and not a Grega.
What gives?
Steve D
UNCLASSIFIED
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
Too late! :-)
http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-06/Pietenpol9.html
I'll just have to deal with that when it happens.
But it might also just drop through the hinge
beforehand.
Clif
Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix. If
you are planning a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will
inevitably trickle down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really
doesn't like gas. On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson
wrote:
Why not have the best of both worlds?
The open areas will be covered in lexan.
Clif
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
UNCLASSIFIED
OK I now realize that I was unclear in the email below. The plane I have has a
cutout.
I am interested in windscreens and various ideas for windscreens,
Needed on both, front? height, Shape, and ease of installation are important details.
There is a plastic company near me.
One guy has suggested no windscreens, just goggles and a bandana.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 06/02/13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote:
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> What materiel is gasoline resistant that will do what we want? I looked up plex
and Lexan and The chemical sheet said that Lexan would resist benzine, but
Plex would not. Mine has a nose tank and a Center section wing AUX tank.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve
>
>
> On 06/02/13, Ken Bickers wrote:
> > Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix. If you are
planning a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will inevitably trickle
down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really doesn't like gas. If
you are planning a nose tank, this wouldn't be an issue. Ken
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:
> >
> > > Why not have the best of both worlds?
> > >
> > > The open areas will be covered in lexan.
> > >
> > > Clif
> > >
> > > "The true method of knowledge is experiment." (William Blake(blockedhttp://quote.robertgenn.com/auth_search.php?name=William+Blake))
> > >
> > >
> > > In a steep turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you have
a splendid view through the cutout over the wing.
> > > I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat solution
> > > Jack Phillips
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> UNCLASSIFIED
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
All of you missed a great time at the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering held in
Frazier Lake Airport. As always it was excellently hosted by Charlie Miller
and his family who works so hard and treats us all like family. I must also
mention it's organized and promoted by Mike Groah. A BIG thanks goes to both
of you guys.
We had a lot of fun and had 7 Pietenpol (type) planes fly in. Two more tried
to get there but for various reasons were not able to make it. I didn't get
a head count but there were a bunch of people looking at the Pietenpols and
enjoying the barbeque chicken (50 ish) lunch. We were pleasantly surprised
this year to have Kevin Purtee and his wife Shelly all the way from Texas.
It is always nice to meet Pietenpol people who I feel I know even though we
have never met. Maybe they will be the first out of state Pietenpol to make
the journey to our gathering when they get their replacement Pietenpol
flying.
Attached are pictures of the 7 airplanes that flew in, and a few more for
atmosphere. I want to personally thank all those that flew their planes in,
and those that tried, your effort is makes this event what it is.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Steve,
Did the suggestion (no windscreens) come from the same guy that said you didn't
need jury struts either ?
While it may be possible to fly your Piet without a windscreen, your reaction would
likely be the same as Axel Olsen's reaction to wingwalking. "I didn't like
it much."
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401868#401868
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| Subject: | Re: Floorboard refinish |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Just how many floorboards do you have? As far as I know there's only one.
Since you're going to be putting your feet on the floorboard, you're going to want
a very durable finish. I don't think that's going to be available in a "rattlecan".
As others have mentioned, epoxy is probably the best option - and
it gets brushed on.
And finally - corrosion protection for spruce? Just make sure that the wood is
fully sealed, to prevent moisture getting in.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve,
Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to adjust for the
CG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side adjustment?
Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.
Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could very easily
be wrong on that.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
UNCLASSIFIED
UH, the bottom attachment will pivot fore and aft, the top will pivot side to side.
Airframe is all spruce.
Steve D
On 06/03/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to adjust for
the CG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side adjustment?
>
> Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.
>
> Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could very easily
be wrong on that.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401871#401871
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
Steve,=0A-=0AI use Lexan, easy to bend in shape on a small sheet metal br
ake.=0AYou can buy it at Lowes or Home Depot.=0A-=0AYou do want to get at
least 1/8" thick, 3/16" is better.=0A-=0ALexan is not fuel proof, but if
you have fuel getting on your windscreen you have bigger problems to deal
with.=0A-=0AHans,=0A-=0AWaller, TX=0APietenpol NX15K=0A =0A=0A_________
_______________________=0A From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven
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June 2, 2013 9:52 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: windscreens =0A =0A=0A-->
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=0A> On 06/02/13, Ken Bickers wrote:=0A> > Clif, one additional considerat
ion you might throw into the mix. If you are planning a center section fuel
tank, gasoline at some point will inevitably trickle down the wing onto th
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Floorboard refinish |
UNCLASSIFIED
Bill this one is in pieces. Two halves that fit into the rear floorboard, with
holes and slots for the aileron horns on the stick. Two small ones with aluminium
covers for my heels.
Front cockpit has one on each side under the passenger's knees One large one with
aluminlum where the pax heels go and one in front of that.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 06/03/13, Bill Church wrote:
>
> Just how many floorboards do you have? As far as I know there's only one.
> Since you're going to be putting your feet on the floorboard, you're going to
want a very durable finish. I don't think that's going to be available in a "rattlecan".
As others have mentioned, epoxy is probably the best option - and
it gets brushed on.
> And finally - corrosion protection for spruce? Just make sure that the wood is
fully sealed, to prevent moisture getting in.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401869#401869
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
I like it Cliff! I had originally thought of doing that on the rear part of
the CS, but have it fixed...never thought of having it as part of the flop
. I also had thought of using acyclic some places either on the sides or bo
ttom of the fuselage...like windows...but decided against it.
-
I would like to see it when complete.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
UNCLASSIFIED
Not the same guy.
I am going to start looking around at photos for what I like.
On 06/03/13, Bill Church wrote:
>
> Steve,
> Did the suggestion (no windscreens) come from the same guy that said you didn't
need jury struts either ?
> While it may be possible to fly your Piet without a windscreen, your reaction
would likely be the same as Axel Olsen's reaction to wingwalking. "I didn't like
it much."
>
> Bill C.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401868#401868
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Moved my piet to the airport over the weekend, i am going to have it on ststic
display for the Manitowoc (KMTW)airshow this coming weekend if anyone is in the
area.
--------
NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
If your cabane attachment brackets look like the attachment, they're from Grega
plans.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
curtdm(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Can't wait to see you in a wig. You could be the new IT Girl. ;)
>
> I couldn't help it.
HAH!! good one, I fixed it..........cant believe i didn't catch that.
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ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Building Second Plane (was Min. Equp. List) |
| From: | "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
Wittman W-8 and W-10's are two place, but I think Steve did make a 4 place version.
I don't think the plans were ever made widely available thou.
Chuck Campbell wrote:
> I always thought the Tailwind was 2-place. Wrong? Chuck
>
> ---
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www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Wow! Great shots Chris!
It was a wonderful time to be sure. I am really amazed at how the whole Piet community
is so supportive and friendly. I was very glad to see you this year and
have a chance to chat a bit. What a great surprise to see Kevin and Shelley
as well!
You definitely have a gift for getting some good shots of the planes.
Mark
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
My fittings are exactly according to the Pietenpol plans and the movement of
the cabane struts can ONLY be FORE AND AFT. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
>
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> UH, the bottom attachment will pivot fore and aft, the top will pivot side
> to side.
>
> Airframe is all spruce.
>
> Steve D
>
> On 06/03/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>>
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to adjust
>> for the CG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side
>> adjustment?
>>
>> Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.
>>
>> Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could very
>> easily be wrong on that.
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry Hand
>> Athens, GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401871#401871
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
>
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Hans, I think they were talking about using Lexan or some other clear
plastic to cover the "flop" to increase visiblity when the flop is down.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans van der Voort
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: windscreens
Steve,
I use Lexan, easy to bend in shape on a small sheet metal brake.
You can buy it at Lowes or Home Depot.
You do want to get at least 1/8" thick, 3/16" is better.
Lexan is not fuel proof, but if you have fuel getting on your
windscreen you have bigger problems to deal with.
Hans,
Waller, TX
Pietenpol NX15K
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 9:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: windscreens
NGB"
UNCLASSIFIED
OK I now realize that I was unclear in the email below. The plane I
have has a cutout.
I am interested in windscreens and various ideas for windscreens,
Needed on both, front? height, Shape, and ease of installation are
important details.
There is a plastic company near me.
One guy has suggested no windscreens, just goggles and a bandana.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 06/02/13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote:
NGB"
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> What materiel is gasoline resistant that will do what we want? I
looked up plex and Lexan and The chemical sheet said that Lexan would
resist benzine, but Plex would not. Mine has a nose tank and a Center
section wing AUX tank.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve
>
>
> On 06/02/13, Ken Bickers wrote:
> > Clif, one additional consideration you might throw into the mix.
If you are planning a center section fuel tank, gasoline at some point
will inevitably trickle down the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really
doesn't like gas. If you are planning a nose tank, this wouldn't be an
issue. Ken
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson
wrote:
> >
> > > Why not have the best of both worlds?
> > >
> > > The open areas will be covered in lexan.
> > >
> > > Clif
> > >
> > > "The true method of knowledge is experiment." (William
Blake(blockedhttp://quote.robertgenn.com/auth_search.php?name=William+B
lake))
> > >
> > >
> > > In a steep turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn
you, you have a splendid view through the cutout over the wing.
> > > I like the look of the cutout, but the flop is also a neat
solution
> > > Jack Phillips
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> UNC href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
target="_blanorums.matronics.com/"
target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com/
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: windscreens 2 |
Danke hans, your idea es bery good that is what trate to instal in my , loo
ks the same , Lexan to another brand ,take the 1/16''. fly whit not-winds
creens-is like-the-piet look realy bad , from my is like-I haved a
beautyfull girlfriend whit not her front teet, jorge from hanford=0A=0A=0AF
rom: Hans van der Voort =0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.
com" =0ASent: Monday, June 3, 2013 7:06 AM
=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: windscreens =0A=0A=0A=0ASteve,=0A-=0AI us
e Lexan, easy to bend in shape on a small sheet metal brake.=0AYou can buy
it at Lowes or Home Depot.=0A-=0AYou do want to get at least 1/8" thick,
3/16" is better.=0A-=0ALexan is not fuel proof, but if you have fuel gett
ing on your windscreen you have bigger problems to deal with.=0A-=0AHans,
=0A-=0AWaller, TX=0APietenpol NX15K=0A=0AFrom: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL
USA NGB" =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 9:52 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: windscreen
USA NGB" =0A=0AUNCLASSIFIED=0AOK I now realize
that I was unclear in the email below. The plane I have has a cutout. =0A
=0AI am interested in windscreens and various ideas for windscreens,=0A=0AN
eeded on both, front? height, Shape, and ease of installation are important
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ed no windscreens, just goggles and a bandana. =0A=0ABlue Skies, =0ASteve D
=0A=0AOn 06/02/13, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"- wrote:=0A> --> Pi
etenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" =0A> =0A> UNCLASSIFIED=0A> What materiel is gasoline r
esistant that will do what we want? I looked up plex and Lexan and The chem
ical sheet said that Lexan would resist benzine, but Plex would not. Mine h
as a nose tank and a Center section wing AUX tank.=0A> =0A> Blue Skies,=0A>
Steve =0A> =0A> =0A> On 06/02/13, Ken Bickers wrote:=0A> > Clif, one addit
ional consideration you might throw into the mix. If you are planning a cen
ter section fuel tank, gasoline at some point will inevitably trickle down
the wing onto the lexan. That stuff really doesn't like gas. If you are pla
nning a nose tank, this wouldn't be an issue. Ken=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > On Su
n, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:=0A> > =0A> > > Why n
ot have the best of both worlds?=0A> > > =0A> > > The open areas will be co
vered in lexan.=0A> > > =0A> > > Clif=0A> > > =0A> > > "The true method of
knowledge is experiment." (William Blake(blockedhttp://quote.robertgenn.com
/auth_search.php?name=William+Blake))=0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > In a stee
p turn, when chasing that Hun as he tries to out-turn you, you have a splen
did view through the cutout over the wing.=0A> > > I like the look of the c
utout, but the flop is also a neat solution=0A> > > Jack Phillips=0A> > >
=0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> UNC href="htt
p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blanorums.matron
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Well, Chris said basically what I wanted to say.- Thank you to everyone w
ho attended this year's gathering.- We had a great time and I enjoyed mee
ting some of the new attendees and had fun renewing old friendships.- Hop
efully next year we can repeat it and get even more planes and builders.-
I look forward to seeing everyone again next year.- =0A=0A=0AMike Groah
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Chris <catdesigns(at)att.ne
t>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 10:24 P
M=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering=0A =0A
=0A=0AAll of you missed a-great time at the West Coast =0APietenpol Gathe
ring held in Frazier Lake Airport. As always it was =0Aexcellently-hosted
by Charlie Miller and his family who works so hard and =0Atreats us all li
ke family.--I must also mention it's organized and =0Apromoted by Mike
Groah. A-BIG thanks-goes to both of you =0Aguys.=0A-=0AWe had a lot o
f fun and had 7 Pietenpol (type) planes =0Afly in. Two more tried to get th
ere but for various reasons-were not able =0Ato make it.--I didn't ge
t-a head count but there were a bunch of =0Apeople looking at the-Piete
npols and enjoying the barbeque chicken (50 ish) =0Alunch.- We were pleas
antly surprised this year to have Kevin Purtee and his =0Awife Shelly-all
the way from Texas. It is always nice to meet Pietenpol =0Apeople who I fe
el I know even though we have never-met. Maybe they will be =0Athe first
out of state Pietenpol to make the journey to our gathering when they =0Age
t their replacement Pietenpol flying.=0A-=0AAttached are pictures of the
7 airplanes that flew in, =0Aand a few more for-atmosphere.- I want to
personally thank all those =0Athat flew their planes in, and those that tri
ed, your effort is makes this event =0Awhat it is.-=0A-=0A-=0AChris
=0ASacramento, Ca=0AWestcoastpiet.com
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
UNCLASSIFIED
Further research on the plans shows the following:
Plans with the plane are:
1933-34 plans drawn by Orrin Hoopman (Deisgned by Bernard)
1975 plans for three piece wing drawn by V.J. Kapler (Designed by Bernard)
1967 motor mount plans drawn by A. Chanft
1994 supplementary plan only initialed by DP
Bottom struts match the Hoopman and Kapler drawings.
The top pivots side to side similar to the photo Bill C. Sent. But is not made
the same way.
Based on information on Chris Tracy's Westcoastpiet website
The upper attachment is not like a Piet but more like a Grega.
The Fuselage uses plywood like a Piet (not all the way back. It stops with the
Pilot seat. Grega put plywood all the way back.
The Piper Cub (Grega idea) landing gear has been modified like the Piet plans call
for. Attached at rear strut.
The controls use pulleys like a Piet not push tubes like a Grega. But there are
modifications as to the routing.
Perhaps it is a Pietengrega!
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 06/03/13, C N Campbell wrote:
>
> My fittings are exactly according to the Pietenpol plans and the movement of
the cabane struts can ONLY be FORE AND AFT. Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
>
>
> >
> >UNCLASSIFIED
> >UH, the bottom attachment will pivot fore and aft, the top will pivot side to
side.
> >
> >Airframe is all spruce.
> >
> >Steve D
> >
> >On 06/03/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> >>
> >>Steve,
> >>
> >>Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to adjust for
the CG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side adjustment?
> >>
> >>Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.
> >>
> >>Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could very easily
be wrong on that.
> >>
> >>--------
> >>Semper Fi,
> >>
> >>Terry Hand
> >>Athens, GA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401871#401871
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >UNCLASSIFIED
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: WIGS ARE ON! |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Outstanding Chris!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:35 AM, "Chris Rusch" wrote:
>
> Moved my piet to the airport over the weekend, i am going to have it on ststic
display for the Manitowoc (KMTW)airshow this coming weekend if anyone is in
the area.
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401881#401881
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
I would like to be sureof what I have!!! I do have a set of plans, so I
can start sorting, just having more fun flying..
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB <
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:
> steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> Further research on the plans shows the following:
>
> Plans with the plane are:
> 1933-34 plans drawn by Orrin Hoopman (Deisgned by Bernard)
> 1975 plans for three piece wing drawn by V.J. Kapler (Designed by Bernard)
> 1967 motor mount plans drawn by A. Chanft
> 1994 supplementary plan only initialed by DP
>
> Bottom struts match the Hoopman and Kapler drawings.
> The top pivots side to side similar to the photo Bill C. Sent. But is not
> made the same way.
>
> Based on information on Chris Tracy's Westcoastpiet website
>
> The upper attachment is not like a Piet but more like a Grega.
> The Fuselage uses plywood like a Piet (not all the way back. It stops with
> the Pilot seat. Grega put plywood all the way back.
> The Piper Cub (Grega idea) landing gear has been modified like the Piet
> plans call for. Attached at rear strut.
> The controls use pulleys like a Piet not push tubes like a Grega. But
> there are modifications as to the routing.
>
> Perhaps it is a Pietengrega!
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
> On 06/03/13, C N Campbell wrote:
> cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
> >
> > My fittings are exactly according to the Pietenpol plans and the
> movement of the cabane struts can ONLY be FORE AND AFT. Chuck
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <
> steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
> >
> >
> NGB"
> > >
> > >UNCLASSIFIED
> > >UH, the bottom attachment will pivot fore and aft, the top will pivot
> side to side.
> > >
> > >Airframe is all spruce.
> > >
> > >Steve D
> > >
> > >On 06/03/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
> > >>
> > >>Steve,
> > >>
> > >>Do your cabanes have the ability to move fore and aft in order to
> adjust for the CG? Or do the cabane fittings only allow a side to side
> adjustment?
> > >>
> > >>Fore and aft is a Piet. Side to side is a Grega configuration.
> > >>
> > >>Someone else chime in and either correct me or corroborate. I could
> very easily be wrong on that.
> > >>
> > >>--------
> > >>Semper Fi,
> > >>
> > >>Terry Hand
> > >>Athens, GA
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Read this topic online here:
> > >>
> > >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401871#401871
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >UNCLASSIFIED
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
I had a great time. Thank you to all involved. It was great to have seven ships
there and more people than could be counted. The food was outstanding and
the surprise campfire on Sat made far a great evening. I got to fly a whole 10
hours in one weekend, now I'm in a recovery mode. It was great flying two
ship halfway home with Mike Grogh, smooth air all the way to his place. The remaining
distance was a bit of challenge with rough air then flying through 3
or 4 miles of thick smoke to find my home field. Inhaling the smoke was not
fun, but home safe. Those who didn't get rides this year are first in line for
next year. Just come up to me and say (it's my turn). Absolute fun time.
See you all next year.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | hangar floor color |
UNCLASSIFIED
I have a newly constructed hangar. I will take posession this week and plan on
staining and sealing the floor.
Any thoughts on color? I am thinking white or silver.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
| From: | "Pilot78" <wings.wheels29(at)yahoo.com> |
Steve,
I used an epoxy floor system. It is a tan color with multi-colored sprinkles in
it. It hides dirt well and shines up nice when I want it to. Just don't weld
close to it.....just ask me how I know.
Brian
SLC-UT
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| From: | "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
I would avoid white. I know it reflects light the best of any color and
lightens up the shop for the least outlay of lighting dollars and you will
be able to easily find anything you drop but every hair will look like a
crack and it will always look dirty. Being a tilesetter I know the first two
words out of a baby girls mouth aren't goo-goo or mama or dada they are
"white grout" which they dwell on in the back of their mind until they have
a white tile floor or die whichever comes first and then every hair looks
like a crack and every speck of dirt becomes an earth shattering experience
until they get new tile. The cleaning becomes an obsession.
dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hangar floor color
UNCLASSIFIED
I have a newly constructed hangar. I will take posession this week and plan
on staining and sealing the floor.
Any thoughts on color? I am thinking white or silver.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
Make it some color that screws,nuts & bolts show up against really well. I'm constantly
losing same on my shop floor, which is smooth, gray concrete - really
annoying. Of course, I may just need new glasses :)
Kip Gardner
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> UNCLASSIFIED
> I have a newly constructed hangar. I will take posession this week and plan on
staining and sealing the floor.
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> Any thoughts on color? I am thinking white or silver.
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> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
> UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
There are some other relatively significant differences besides those already mentioned.
Aileron hinge location. The "standard" Piet aileron is hinged at the top allowing
easy use of piano hinge for those so inclined. Cessna and Piper, among others,
do the same thing. The Grega hinges the ailerons in the middle of the false
spar. Since the airfoil is more symmetric with the ailerons displaced, I'm
guessing the theory is that it has less adverse yaw when ailerons are deflected.
The Grega aileron control cables connect to the center section via the front instrument
panel instead of the rear like the Pietenpol plans. The pulleys mount
on the front spar.
The drag anti-drag scheme in the wings uses thin threaded rods in 3 bays versus
cable in two.
The control horns for the rudder are mounted on the very bottom of a stiffened
rudder structure.
The question is: Does it matter? Both are proven designs and, if built reasonably
close to plans, fly about the same (or so I'm told --Skip Gadd chime in please).
Gregas are allowed to park with the Pietenpols at Brodhead and it doesn't
seem like anyone looks down their noses. Everyone recognizes the fact that
someone spent a LOT of time to hand-craft the aircraft (as opposed to the match-drilled,
quick build aluminum cans so popular among the instant gratification
crowd) no matter which design variant.
Dave
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| From: | <bkemike(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Between the barbecued chicken, the chocolate cheesecake, and more Piets than
we sometimes see at Brodhead, it was a spectacular day.
Thanks again to Charlie and Cecilia, Mike and Vic and everyone else involved
in putting it together.
And thanks go, too, to Axel and Shelly for expending their hard-earned
frequent-flyer miles to make the trip out. It was great to see everyone.
(Oscar, you really need to fly 41CC down here next year.)
Mike Hardaway
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AircamperN11MS
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I had a great time. Thank you to all involved. It was great to have seven
ships there and more people than could be counted. The food was outstanding
and the surprise campfire on Sat made far a great evening. I got to fly a
whole 10 hours in one weekend, now I'm in a recovery mode. It was great
flying two ship halfway home with Mike Grogh, smooth air all the way to his
place. The remaining distance was a bit of challenge with rough air then
flying through 3 or 4 miles of thick smoke to find my home field. Inhaling
the smoke was not fun, but home safe. Those who didn't get rides this year
are first in line for next year. Just come up to me and say (it's my turn).
Absolute fun time. See you all next year.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
It's beautiful, Chris!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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> Can't wait to see you in a wig. You could be the new IT Girl. ;)
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> I couldn't help it.
HAH!! good one, I fixed it..........cant believe i didn't catch that.
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NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
Looks Great Chris!
We will have to barnstorm sometime. There are two of us at HXF with Piets.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
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> Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
All,
By now you should have seen the lineup of Piets that Chris Tracy posted.
Pietenpols were coming out from under hay stacks and barn hide-aways all
up
and down the state (or so it seemed)!
The great states of Texas and Oregon were also represented by
dignitaries.
But, as you look at the lineup, there is one plane missing=85NX308MB.
Unofficially, =BD way thru a 2 hour leg, I hit extreme turbulence that
most
assuredly damaged a rear spar. Yes=85I=92m sure that was it. It
certainly wasn=92t
the gentle tapping of the left wing on the runway in a right x-wind
landing.
Well, it may have been a tid-bit more than a gentle tap=85
Kevin & Shelley flew out from Austin and spent Friday night at my new
house.
Friday evening was pleasant, even windless, and Kevin took my Piet up
for a
short flight. I was very keen to get the impressions of an experienced
Pietenpol pilot about how my plane flew. He reported good findings, but
commented that it seemed a bit tricky on landing. We had a brief
discussion
about my landing gear width and how tall my Piet stands, and whether it
was
that or that he had not flown a Piet for almost a year. I discounted the
latter, and took mental note of the former. I have had difficulty
landing,
too. How prophetic=85
There is no doubt in my mind that a more experienced pilot would not
have
botched the landing the following morning. I freely admit that, at the
risk
of losing Man Points.
The only scary thing about the event, is that, after I fueled up, while
taxiing back to the runway, I noticed a little flutter in the left wing.
A
closer examination confirmed my fears. I was 5 minutes from taking off!
The rest of the good news is that I did not ground loop and the rest of
the
plane is fine.
However, I now have a better idea=85
Since I like wood gear, and tall wheels, why not copy proven builds like
Mike Cuy=92s or Jack Phillips=92! THERE, that=92s the ticket! My plane
is not home
yet, but I think my gear width is about 57=94, if I recall, and Jack=92s
is over
69=94, and not as tall!! Even Mike Groah=92s brand new, beautiful Piet,
which is
styled very similarly to mine, has a gear width of 62=94; but Mike is
also a
much better pilot than I=85and his paint job is so smooth that the wind
just
slides off without effecting him!
Take what you will from this mea culpa. I have a =91little voice=92 that
speaks
constantly to me=85but I often get confused because I hear lots of
voices!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Wow Gary... This just kept me from making they one call I had planned to make to
you tonight...
I'm so sorry for the turbulence. But very glad you caught that little flutter before
the run up and subsequent take off accident! The spar looks to have really
had a bad day.
I am an hour from the Los Banos airport. When you go to pick it up and need help,
please call me. My days are clear now until I get another job...
Saying a little "thank you prayer" right now for you...
Mark
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: flop vs cutout |
Thanks Mike. Since the panels will be screwed down it
won't be too big a deal to change out a panel if (when? )
fuel gets on it.
I want to see it complete too!! :-) I'm working on the left
wing now.
Clif
I like it Cliff! I had originally thought of doing that on the
rear part of the CS, but have it fixed...never thought of having it as
part of the flop. I also had thought of using acyclic some places either
on the sides or bottom of the fuselage...like windows...but decided
against it.
I would like to see it when complete.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
There is a trick I learned many moons ago. You probably
have too but I'll mention it just in case. Take a light
and shine it across the floor. Any little lost part
suddenly gains a huge shadow. Now if that would
only work on grass!!!
Clif
> Make it some color that screws,nuts & bolts show up against really well.
> I'm constantly losing same on my shop floor, which is smooth, gray
> concrete - really annoying. Of course, I may just need new glasses :)
>
> Kip Gardner
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| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Oh, what a beautiful airplane! Very, very nice. It has a sort of Spad XIII-like
look to it somehow.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
In case nobody mentioned it yet, most Gregas mount the landing gear legs to the
fuselage with one mount point where the wing lift strut also joins to the fuselage,
but with the other mount point non-concurrent with the other lift strut
mount point. If you look at the pix that Chris Rusch just posted of his beautiful
airplane, the side shot shows that the gear legs mount at the same spots
as the wing lift struts. Classic Air Camper configuration.
Steve, I believe you have yourself a hermaphroditic agglomeration with accretions
and synthetizations. It's an AirGregation of Piet Camper parts. I'll bet
it will fly, though. And if we were in Great Britain, you would give the Brit
"airplane spotters" a devil of a time trying to figure out what it is ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve; as you know, Scout has simple curved Plexi windscreens. Easy to make, easy
to attach, easy to replace when they get crazed or scratched. Like Scout's
are, now ;o) I really notice the scratches and crazing when flying into the
sun, but am too lazy to do anything about it. However, for a really nifty look,
go for the segmented panel ones. They are more work to make, but have some
advantages in that all the pieces of plexi are flat, so they are easy to work
with (and replace). Go right across the street to Lew Mason's and look at the
ones on his "Faker Fokker" Fly Baby. The frames are simple bent aluminum,
and the only real fitting is on the curves that follow the boot cowl, but you
can make templates out of stiff cardboard or discarded metal and then go for it.
Just don't make them too squatty... you'll regret it when flying in cooler
weather.
You can dispense with the front windscreen if you won't be flying pax, but don't
even think about flying with none at all. This is supposed to be fun, not endurance.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Now that I re-read what Hans wrote, I realize that you can really make faux segmented
windscreens by bending Lexan to form the three segments, then you could
just attach some aluminum pieces on top of the Lexan to make it look like there
are individual segments. If you wanted to make work for yourself, that is.
If you wanted to do it really faux, you could just mask off the edges of the
bent Lexan and rattle-can your way to painted-on "windscreen frames", and mount
the windscreen to the boot cowl with 4 to 6 angle clips.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Gary,
Zero "Man Points" lost.
Ten "Man Points" earned.
Thanks for sharing the crappy news. Hopefully others (like me) can learn from
your misfortune.
Oh, by the way, in the photo of your cracked spar, it looks like your fabric is
also torn. :)
Bill C.
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
Many of us were heart broken to hear the news about your accident on the wa
y to Frazier Lake but were elated to see you come in the door unscathed. Y
ou are one of the very good guys and we respect and treasure your and your
work. Hope to share one of those $100 hamburgers some day soon Vic NX414
MV
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead Wes
t")
Date: Mon=2C 3 Jun 2013 18:53:51 -0700
All=2C
By now you should have seen the lineup of Piets that Chris Tracy posted. Pi
etenpols were coming out from under hay stacks and barn hide-aways all up a
nd down the state (or so it seemed)!
The great states of Texas and Oregon were also represented by dignitaries.
But=2C as you look at the lineup=2C there is one plane missing=85NX308MB.
Unofficially=2C =BD way thru a 2 hour leg=2C I hit extreme turbulence that
most assuredly damaged a rear spar. Yes=85I=92m sure that was it. It certai
nly wasn=92t the gentle tapping of the left wing on the runway in a right x
-wind landing. Well=2C it may have been a tid-bit more than a gentle tap=85
Kevin & Shelley flew out from Austin and spent Friday night at my new house
. Friday evening was pleasant=2C even windless=2C and Kevin took my Piet up
for a short flight. I was very keen to get the impressions of an experienc
ed Pietenpol pilot about how my plane flew. He reported good findings=2C bu
t commented that it seemed a bit tricky on landing. We had a brief discussi
on about my landing gear width and how tall my Piet stands=2C and whether i
t was that or that he had not flown a Piet for almost a year. I discounted
the latter=2C and took mental note of the former. I have had difficulty lan
ding=2C too. How prophetic=85
There is no doubt in my mind that a more experienced pilot would not have b
otched the landing the following morning. I freely admit that=2C at the ris
k of losing Man Points.
The only scary thing about the event=2C is that=2C after I fueled up=2C whi
le taxiing back to the runway=2C I noticed a little flutter in the left win
g. A closer examination confirmed my fears. I was 5 minutes from taking off
!
The rest of the good news is that I did not ground loop and the rest of the
plane is fine.
However=2C I now have a better idea=85
Since I like wood gear=2C and tall wheels=2C why not copy proven builds lik
e Mike Cuy=92s or Jack Phillips=92! THERE=2C that=92s the ticket! My plane
is not home yet=2C but I think my gear width is about 57=94=2C if I recall
=2C and Jack=92s is over 69=94=2C and not as tall!! Even Mike Groah=92s bra
nd new=2C beautiful Piet=2C which is styled very similarly to mine=2C has a
gear width of 62=94=3B but Mike is also a much better pilot than I=85and h
is paint job is so smooth that the wind just slides off without effecting h
im!
Take what you will from this mea culpa. I have a =91little voice=92 that sp
eaks constantly to me=85but I often get confused because I hear lots of voi
ces!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Gary;
Lives there the pilot who has not endured an ignominious scrape between graceful
gossamer and rough earth (or pavement)? Our airplanes are really quite delicate
things when you look at them. I was shocked, shocked to see and handle Scout's
wings when they were not rigidly braced by the cable X's and wing struts,
and to see the fuselage sitting on a trailer with no wings mounted. Really
a small and light craft, and a lot of flex when any single member is damaged
or removed.
I have felt like a small and light human while sitting in the cockpit, traversing
some thermals and turbulence and wind. The whole thing is really quite amazing
when you look at it. The strength comes from the geometry, not from sheer
mass. If you take away any of the geometry, the thing collapses like a $2 suitcase.
Take a look at the "Pietenpile" from Sun N Fun a few years ago, or the
crumpled wing of Mountain Piet. Without the rigidly triangulated structure,
the airplane is nothing but a bag of bones inside a very thin fabric bag.
Still, it is amazing and it is forgiving, and now you have one more story to tell
over a pint of microbrew. "There I was, flat on my back, sun in my face, when
I felt the Hun's hot breath on my tail... and felt the sting of hot lead trace
a row of holes through my wing spar." OK, so it's a crack in the spar and
not a row of 7.92mm bullet holes ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Oh, man-! Scout and I will make the journey in 2014 for sure! If nothing else,
I've simply got to do a formation flight off of Mike Madrid's wing! His airplane
and Scout look very much alike.
I should be able to give rides to anyone who can fit into the front cockpit of
an Air Camper without spreading margarine all over yourself first. And if you're
taildragger current and willing, I'll fly front cockpit and YOU can fly Scout.
I love going for rides!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead |
West")
You should have seen us all wince when he stabbed a knife into the wing to
cut the fabric open near the crack. We all knew the fabric was going to come
off but it still hurt.
Chris
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 8:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead
West")
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Gary,
Zero "Man Points" lost.
Ten "Man Points" earned.
Thanks for sharing the crappy news. Hopefully others (like me) can learn
from your misfortune.
Oh, by the way, in the photo of your cracked spar, it looks like your fabric
is also torn. :)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Way cool!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Very very nice....
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 7:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: WIGS ARE ON!
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Moved my piet to the airport over the weekend, i am going to have it on
ststic display for the Manitowoc (KMTW)airshow this coming weekend if anyone
is in the area.
--------
NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: WIGS ARE ON! |
GREAT!- The paint scheme is very cool.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
Gary,
I=92m sorry to hear about the mishap, but glad you=92re OK. Planes can
be
rebuilt. People are more difficult (although Kevin tried to prove that
people are easier to rebuild than airplanes).
Pietenpols aren=92t the easiest planes to land in a crosswind ' the
ailerons
are just not very responsive. Do you have gap seals on your ailerons?
That
vastly improves responsiveness, changing it from non-existent to barely
adequate. I find that in a gusty crosswind a wheel landing works better
because you can touch down at a faster speed, giving better control.
Narrow
gear certainly adds to the challenge, but once the wind gets under the
wing,
wide gear won=92t help too much.
Looking at your pictures, that spar really got whacked! Note the chunk
of
spar material OUTSIDE the plywood doubler! That looks like Sitka Spruce
but
I=92m not sure. What material did you use for your spars?
As Douwe and Kevin, and Andrew Eldridge, Gardiner Mason and a few others
on
the list (including myself) can attest, rebuilding your dream is tough,
but
admirable. A few years from now this will be just a distant memory and
you=92ll have many years of pleasant flying in your creation. The good
news
is, since it is already certified, you won=92t have to get it inspected
again.
This is just a repair.
Good luck and press on! Just feel sorry for those that have finished
their
Pietenpols recently and are now going through build withdrawal.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead
West")
All,
By now you should have seen the lineup of Piets that Chris Tracy posted.
Pietenpols were coming out from under hay stacks and barn hide-aways all
up
and down the state (or so it seemed)!
The great states of Texas and Oregon were also represented by
dignitaries.
But, as you look at the lineup, there is one plane missing=85NX308MB.
Unofficially, =BD way thru a 2 hour leg, I hit extreme turbulence that
most
assuredly damaged a rear spar. Yes=85I=92m sure that was it. It
certainly wasn=92t
the gentle tapping of the left wing on the runway in a right x-wind
landing.
Well, it may have been a tid-bit more than a gentle tap=85
Kevin & Shelley flew out from Austin and spent Friday night at my new
house.
Friday evening was pleasant, even windless, and Kevin took my Piet up
for a
short flight. I was very keen to get the impressions of an experienced
Pietenpol pilot about how my plane flew. He reported good findings, but
commented that it seemed a bit tricky on landing. We had a brief
discussion
about my landing gear width and how tall my Piet stands, and whether it
was
that or that he had not flown a Piet for almost a year. I discounted the
latter, and took mental note of the former. I have had difficulty
landing,
too. How prophetic=85
There is no doubt in my mind that a more experienced pilot would not
have
botched the landing the following morning. I freely admit that, at the
risk
of losing Man Points.
The only scary thing about the event, is that, after I fueled up, while
taxiing back to the runway, I noticed a little flutter in the left wing.
A
closer examination confirmed my fears. I was 5 minutes from taking off!
The rest of the good news is that I did not ground loop and the rest of
the
plane is fine.
However, I now have a better idea=85
Since I like wood gear, and tall wheels, why not copy proven builds like
Mike Cuy=92s or Jack Phillips=92! THERE, that=92s the ticket! My plane
is not home
yet, but I think my gear width is about 57=94, if I recall, and Jack=92s
is over
69=94, and not as tall!! Even Mike Groah=92s brand new, beautiful Piet,
which is
styled very similarly to mine, has a gear width of 62=94; but Mike is
also a
much better pilot than I=85and his paint job is so smooth that the wind
just
slides off without effecting him!
Take what you will from this mea culpa. I have a =91little voice=92 that
speaks
constantly to me=85but I often get confused because I hear lots of
voices!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
Wow Gery so glad you caught it!
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 8:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead
West")
All,
By now you should have seen the lineup of Piets that Chris Tracy posted.
Pietenpols were coming out from under hay stacks and barn hide-aways all
up
and down the state (or so it seemed)!
The great states of Texas and Oregon were also represented by
dignitaries.
But, as you look at the lineup, there is one plane missing=85NX308MB.
Unofficially, =BD way thru a 2 hour leg, I hit extreme turbulence that
most
assuredly damaged a rear spar. Yes=85I=92m sure that was it. It
certainly wasn=92t
the gentle tapping of the left wing on the runway in a right x-wind
landing.
Well, it may have been a tid-bit more than a gentle tap=85
Kevin & Shelley flew out from Austin and spent Friday night at my new
house.
Friday evening was pleasant, even windless, and Kevin took my Piet up
for a
short flight. I was very keen to get the impressions of an experienced
Pietenpol pilot about how my plane flew. He reported good findings, but
commented that it seemed a bit tricky on landing. We had a brief
discussion
about my landing gear width and how tall my Piet stands, and whether it
was
that or that he had not flown a Piet for almost a year. I discounted the
latter, and took mental note of the former. I have had difficulty
landing,
too. How prophetic=85
There is no doubt in my mind that a more experienced pilot would not
have
botched the landing the following morning. I freely admit that, at the
risk
of losing Man Points.
The only scary thing about the event, is that, after I fueled up, while
taxiing back to the runway, I noticed a little flutter in the left wing.
A
closer examination confirmed my fears. I was 5 minutes from taking off!
The rest of the good news is that I did not ground loop and the rest of
the
plane is fine.
However, I now have a better idea=85
Since I like wood gear, and tall wheels, why not copy proven builds like
Mike Cuy=92s or Jack Phillips=92! THERE, that=92s the ticket! My plane
is not home
yet, but I think my gear width is about 57=94, if I recall, and Jack=92s
is over
69=94, and not as tall!! Even Mike Groah=92s brand new, beautiful Piet,
which is
styled very similarly to mine, has a gear width of 62=94; but Mike is
also a
much better pilot than I=85and his paint job is so smooth that the wind
just
slides off without effecting him!
Take what you will from this mea culpa. I have a =91little voice=92 that
speaks
constantly to me=85but I often get confused because I hear lots of
voices!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead |
West")
| From: | airlion2(at)gmail.com |
Sorry about your mishap Gary. And I am glad you caught the wing flutter in time.
I wish I could have taken a picture of the flutter in my wings while I was in
that tornado. I was too busy cussing.GARDINER
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:41 PM, "Mark Roberts" wrote:
>
> Wow Gary... This just kept me from making they one call I had planned to make
to you tonight...
>
> I'm so sorry for the turbulence. But very glad you caught that little flutter
before the run up and subsequent take off accident! The spar looks to have really
had a bad day.
>
> I am an hour from the Los Banos airport. When you go to pick it up and need help,
please call me. My days are clear now until I get another job...
>
> Saying a little "thank you prayer" right now for you...
>
> Mark
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401930#401930
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| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Sounds good, but where is HFX?
[quote="jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc."]Looks Great Chris!
We will have to barnstorm sometime. There are two of us at HXF with Piets.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com (jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com)
On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:13 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
>
> It's beautiful, Chris!!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> --
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NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Thanks for all of the positive inputs, it really helps keeping the drive alive!
One thing ive noticed is it a real pain in the a@#$ getting anything done at the
airport, i never seem to have brought enough or the right amount of anything.....went
out last night for a few hours and nothing got done cause i was either
missing something or i didnt have the right tool. I should have kept it at
my home shop longer where all the right stuff is a few steps away. It is nice
seeing it all put together, but i realized quickly how much little stuff is left
to do......so my dream of making it to brodhead this year doesnt look like
its gonna happen..
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NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: WINGS ARE ON! |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Oh, i typed in in wrong, its Hatrford!! yea that will work!
[quote="Chris Rusch"]Sounds good, but where is HFX?
jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc. wrote:
> Looks Great Chris!
>
> We will have to barnstorm sometime. There are two of us at HXF with Piets.
>
>
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com (jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com)
>
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2013, at 7:13 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:
>
> >
> > It's beautiful, Chris!!
> >
> > Gary Boothe
> > NX308MB
> >
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NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Guys,
Take a look at this auction!
53 3/32 dia. HIGH $$$ crimp cable ends for $14. Do all your 3/32 cable ends with
these for less than ACS wants for 1 piece.
Here's the link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161031889608?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: Cable ends!!! |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Tom,
Like you said, "take a look at this auction!".
The $14 price is for each cable end.
The whole bag of 53 will run $742.
(darned fine print)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West") |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Sorry to hear about it Gary. Those are tough pictures to look at. ...."there's
those that have and those that will..." I'm in the "have" group. I've learned
that you haven't fully felt the airplane out until you've felt it go "out".
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
So tell me its a cream puff before I go fly..
I've run out of things to do.. and it seems its time to try her out
I've heard that it flys kinda like a cub and kinda like the Ragwing designs..
I hope so.. the Ragwing special I built was easy as pie to fly
haven't been in a cub in a while... but I learned to fly in one
I did find a 4 leaf clover today
jeff
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Do it...................!!!
Brian
SLC-UT
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 3:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cream puff ?
-->
So tell me its a cream puff before I go fly..
I've run out of things to do.. and it seems its time to try her out
I've heard that it flys kinda like a cub and kinda like the Ragwing
designs..
I hope so.. the Ragwing special I built was easy as pie to fly haven't
been in a cub in a while... but I learned to fly in one I did find a 4
leaf clover today
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Cream puff ? |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jeff, I have about 11 hours in my buddies rag wing. In fact I did the first flights
on it. His rag wing liked three point takeoffs and landings. Wheel landings
and takeoffs were difficult and a waste of time since it would be air born
:n half the distance it would take to get the tail off the ground. That said.
Once in the air, they fly very much alike and bleed off airspeed very quickly
during the flare. I would think that if you understand the rag wing you will
not have any problems with the Piet. Go fly it and have fun.
Great looking plane
Happy Landings,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | squirrelly on the gear |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I changed the subject line ;o) Gary, what is the track (distance between contact
patches) of your mains? I know there's a word for it but I can't remember
it right now. Just interested in comparing that dimension between airplanes,
as I'm sure it does have some effect on ground handling.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
My personal experience with 2 hangars and one large shop---
Taxi on down to Sherwin-Williams and talk to the guy that sells the commercial
stuff, not the gawky looking guy who has mastered the paint color machine but
the older guy who can find the commercial catalog. Ask for Armorseal 1000-HS.
This is a 2 part epoxy favored by guys with those beautiful commercial hangars
where you can eat off the floors. Carefully READ and HEED the preparation
instructions and be prepared for sticker shock at the cost of the stuff. Once
you're over that and have it applied according to instructions, it will be there
forever. I have spilled every chemical available at Home depot as well as
brake fluid, avgas, and muriatic acid (diluted) on mine with no ill affects.
Now in fairness, I have NOT tried Skydrol but it's not really on the list of
likely hangar spills in GA. About the only way the stuff comes up is with a cold
chisel but that's tough on the concrete. I have discovered that T-88 DOES
stick to it so trying to pry up drips WILL remove the paint and a thin layer
of concrete.
The big box stores do sell a variety of so called epoxy floor paints but the car
guy forums have come to the conclusion that they are crap. Now that may be
because car guys refuse to read instructions as well as torque tables so it's
really a caveat emptor deal. I coughed up the bucks to do it right and have been
VERY pleased.
Dave
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| Subject: | horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat |
| From: | "pringljo" <joseph.pringle(at)gmail.com> |
So, I glued up my HS this weekend, and after taking it out of the jig, I found
that it is not perfectly flat. On one end I get a little bit of rise on one corner.
Possibly 1/16th of an inch. Maybe less. It's not visibly twisted. Just a
little tiny bit off.
It's all set up solidly. Is this ruined? I really don't know how much forgiveness
there is in a situation like this.
I'm really discouraged. Please advise
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Joe Pringle
Atlanta, GA
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | squirrelly on the gear |
Measured it tonight when we got her home...52". But I did not measure the
gear height (that should be important, too).
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 5:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: squirrelly on the gear
-->
I changed the subject line ;o) Gary, what is the track (distance between
contact patches) of your mains? I know there's a word for it but I can't
remember it right now. Just interested in comparing that dimension between
airplanes, as I'm sure it does have some effect on ground handling.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat |
Joe,
I'm amazed your horizontal stabilizer is only 1/16" of an inch 'not flat'. You
have nothing to worry about. The four 3/32" cables
that will attach your stabilizer will also act as rigging and truing adjustments
with the turnbuckles back there. You just use a digital
(or level) angle finder on your stab to get all of your cables tight and your horizontal
stabilizer running true to the longerons or line of flight.
Mike C.
PS--twang all of the cables and try to get them to twang in the approximate same
key. My 82 year old Charles Taylor Award winning
IA helped me with that bit of advice. It worked.
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| From: | <rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
Friends,
Our fellow Piet builder John Francis (Russia OH) just completed his private
pilot solo! Please join me in congratulating a first class guy on his
accomplishment. Now, we both just need to complete our Piets and fly them
to broadhead in the near future.
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Cream puff ? |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Well it worked. . Pitch sensitive for sure. ..
My radiator is a little small I guess. .. it was a bit warm in flight. .
Airspeed seemed off at first but in downwind it was on 50 kts Just under 2000 rpm
Landing was ugly but it was the first. Photos soon. . My Facebook page has videos
from friends already
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat |
| From: | "pringljo" <joseph.pringle(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the reassurance. I realize I am probably over thinking this a bit. Just
a little hyped up about starting this build, that I have been dreaming about
for so many years. I'm confident it will be fine.
--------
Joe Pringle
Atlanta, GA
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Congratulations Jeff Faith! |
Way to go man! You did a good landing gear test on your maiden flight. Good,
check that off on your list. I did the same!
You can sleep great tonight. Well done. Now the best part of your project
begins---having fun flying it!
Michael Cuy
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
Congratulations, John!!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 9:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo
Friends,
Our fellow Piet builder John Francis (Russia OH) just completed his private
pilot solo! Please join me in congratulating a first class guy on his
accomplishment. Now, we both just need to complete our Piets and fly them
to broadhead in the near future.
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | NOT Going Thru Build Withdrawal |
Thanks, Jack!
My ailerons have continuous hinges.
Although there has been much conversation about gear width, I am willing
to
bet that you, Mike or Kevin, or a number of other experience Piet pilots
would not have botched that landing. I am awakening to the realization
of
how actively one must stay involved with this plane! It is not forgiving
like a Cub, T-craft or Cessna, and must be correctly handled, especially
at
landings. My goal with revamping the gear is to give myself a little
more
margin for error.
My spars are fir. When I get the fabric off, I will be looking for any
flaws
I can find in the grain, but really don=92t expect to reveal anything.
As you
noted, that chunk of spar outside the doubler really indicates just how
far
that spar was bent!...pretty cool!
I take console in being just like you, Kevin, Douwe, Andrew, Gardiner,
and a
few others! ;-)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 4:33 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka:
"Brodhead
West")
Gary,
I=92m sorry to hear about the mishap, but glad you=92re OK. Planes can
be
rebuilt. People are more difficult (although Kevin tried to prove that
people are easier to rebuild than airplanes).
Pietenpols aren=92t the easiest planes to land in a crosswind ' the
ailerons
are just not very responsive. Do you have gap seals on your ailerons?
That
vastly improves responsiveness, changing it from non-existent to barely
adequate. I find that in a gusty crosswind a wheel landing works better
because you can touch down at a faster speed, giving better control.
Narrow
gear certainly adds to the challenge, but once the wind gets under the
wing,
wide gear won=92t help too much.
Looking at your pictures, that spar really got whacked! Note the chunk
of
spar material OUTSIDE the plywood doubler! That looks like Sitka Spruce
but
I=92m not sure. What material did you use for your spars?
As Douwe and Kevin, and Andrew Eldridge, Gardiner Mason and a few others
on
the list (including myself) can attest, rebuilding your dream is tough,
but
admirable. A few years from now this will be just a distant memory and
you=92ll have many years of pleasant flying in your creation. The good
news
is, since it is already certified, you won=92t have to get it inspected
again.
This is just a repair.
Good luck and press on! Just feel sorry for those that have finished
their
Pietenpols recently and are now going through build withdrawal.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead
West")
All,
By now you should have seen the lineup of Piets that Chris Tracy posted.
Pietenpols were coming out from under hay stacks and barn hide-aways all
up
and down the state (or so it seemed)!
The great states of Texas and Oregon were also represented by
dignitaries.
But, as you look at the lineup, there is one plane missing=85NX308MB.
Unofficially, =BD way thru a 2 hour leg, I hit extreme turbulence that
most
assuredly damaged a rear spar. Yes=85I=92m sure that was it. It
certainly wasn=92t
the gentle tapping of the left wing on the runway in a right x-wind
landing.
Well, it may have been a tid-bit more than a gentle tap=85
Kevin & Shelley flew out from Austin and spent Friday night at my new
house.
Friday evening was pleasant, even windless, and Kevin took my Piet up
for a
short flight. I was very keen to get the impressions of an experienced
Pietenpol pilot about how my plane flew. He reported good findings, but
commented that it seemed a bit tricky on landing. We had a brief
discussion
about my landing gear width and how tall my Piet stands, and whether it
was
that or that he had not flown a Piet for almost a year. I discounted the
latter, and took mental note of the former. I have had difficulty
landing,
too. How prophetic=85
There is no doubt in my mind that a more experienced pilot would not
have
botched the landing the following morning. I freely admit that, at the
risk
of losing Man Points.
The only scary thing about the event, is that, after I fueled up, while
taxiing back to the runway, I noticed a little flutter in the left wing.
A
closer examination confirmed my fears. I was 5 minutes from taking off!
The rest of the good news is that I did not ground loop and the rest of
the
plane is fine.
However, I now have a better idea=85
Since I like wood gear, and tall wheels, why not copy proven builds like
Mike Cuy=92s or Jack Phillips=92! THERE, that=92s the ticket! My plane
is not home
yet, but I think my gear width is about 57=94, if I recall, and Jack=92s
is over
69=94, and not as tall!! Even Mike Groah=92s brand new, beautiful Piet,
which is
styled very similarly to mine, has a gear width of 62=94; but Mike is
also a
much better pilot than I=85and his paint job is so smooth that the wind
just
slides off without effecting him!
Take what you will from this mea culpa. I have a =91little voice=92 that
speaks
constantly to me=85but I often get confused because I hear lots of
voices!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cream puff ? |
Way to go, Jeff! There's absolutely no better feeling than the first flight
in a plane you built yourself. Welcome to a very elite group. Pilots
represent about 1/2 of 1% of the US population. People who start building
their own airplanes are probably less than 10% of the pilot population, and
of those who start to build, less than 25% ever finish their projects, so
you are now a member of a very exclusive group.
Now hurry and fly the 40 hours off so you can bring it to Brodhead this
year.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 9:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cream puff ?
Well it worked. . Pitch sensitive for sure. ..
My radiator is a little small I guess. .. it was a bit warm in flight. .
Airspeed seemed off at first but in downwind it was on 50 kts Just under
2000 rpm
Landing was ugly but it was the first. Photos soon. . My Facebook page has
videos from friends already
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Congratulations Jeff Faith! |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Thanks Mike. .
I'm glad the airframe worked. . The engine and prop worked great just got a little
warm. I think I need a little bigger radiator. I knew mind was small. . Had
my hopes that it would work.
Small change. .. I'll make it happen fast
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Cream puff ? |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Congratulations Jeff,
Keep us up to date please. Those first flights and their stories that follow give
us all warn fuzzy feelings. How long was your flight?
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402034#402034
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| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank pictures |
On 6/1/2013 11:53 AM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Rick; nice tank! Very similar to mine, except yours holds more fuel. One thing
I will point out, something that I learned from the nose-over, is that the
front crossmember that the tank support straps mount to can be a weak point.
Take a look at the second picture here:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/fueltank.html
>
> The member cracked right where the strap fastening bolt (AN3) goes through, and
the small gusset glue joints at the uprights let go. When I rebuilt the support
crossmember, I made it a little deeper (I think I used 1"x3/4") and more
generous support haunches at the uprights, to provide more glue surface. If
you haven't covered up the front with your firewall yet, you may consider installing
corner gusset 'haunches' where the crossmember attaches to the uprights.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
Oscar,
Thanks for the compliment. Actually my tank is based on yours(Corky's)
and Mike Cuy. The front support member on mine is 1-1/4 by 1-1/2 white
ash. Hopefully it will never be tested. The firewall is in place, so
there is not much I could do to improve it now.
Today was a good day in the construction saga. The ignition wiring was
completed and the Corvair had oil added for the first time. Tomorrow I
will finish installing the starter. If all goes well I will circulate
the oil, hook up the battery and try the starter. Once the prop is on I
will be ready for first engine start.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Great job John
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: squirrelly on the gear |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Hey guys,
If memory serves me (I don't have the plans in front of me), the wooden gear had
a 48" wide tire-to-tire width. Or is that the "improved" gear... Either way,
it sounds too narrow.
But, I could see the width being 48" if it didn't sit high as it would with the
Jenny style original gear (wooden)...
Thoughts? I had heard that some of ya'll are making the wooden gear wider to begin
with, over and above what the plans call for...
I am planning my gear build now, after I get the stick assembly completed.
Thanks!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402046#402046
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| From: | "The real bike Mike" <bkemike(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: squirrelly on the gear |
56" tread, center to center, steel gear, individually sprung (bungeed).
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 9:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
-->
Hey guys,
If memory serves me (I don't have the plans in front of me), the wooden gear
had a 48" wide tire-to-tire width. Or is that the "improved" gear... Either
way, it sounds too narrow.
But, I could see the width being 48" if it didn't sit high as it would with
the Jenny style original gear (wooden)...
Thoughts? I had heard that some of ya'll are making the wooden gear wider to
begin with, over and above what the plans call for...
I am planning my gear build now, after I get the stick assembly completed.
Thanks!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402046#402046
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| Subject: | Re: Congratulations Jeff Faith! |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Way to go Jeff!! Congratulations my friend. Now you can go out and enjoy it
. But like us all, now a few tweaks here and there to get her right.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL (for a few more days)
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Congratulations John!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: rdewenter <rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 8:20 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo
Friends,
Our fellow Piet builder John Francis (Russia OH) just completed his private
pilot solo! Please join me in congratulating a first class guy on his
accomplishment. Now, we both just need to complete our Piets and fly them
to broadhead in the near future.
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Congratulations, John! What an awesome accomplishment. Keep on going, and you will
be done with your training and checkride before you know it.
And thanks to Bob for bringing it to our attention.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
UNCLASSIFIED
My Son's ex-wife's boyfriend (In Arkansas that is considered a relative) does concrete
work. He recommends acid stain with an acrylic sealant.
Any thoughts?
I have not been happy looking at the sparse selection at Lowe's and Home Depot.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
| From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Thanks all. Bob just happened to be at the airport last night when I soloed.
He stayed hidden from my view until it was all over. It was good to have him
there as we both have been following each others progress of building and flying
Pietenpols.
My instructor did the shirt thing but had warned me to wear an old shirt. A picture
is attached.
The first aircraft we took up had a strange shutter to it for just a second on
our first trip around the pattern. It happened again on the second and third
trip when the check flight instructor said this isn't going to work. I thought
we were done for the night but fortunately another plane was available. We
went up again for two landings in that aircraft and he said I was good to go.
I was more nervous during the check flight than I was during the solo. I can
round it all up by quoting Neil Armstrong when was asked how the lunar landing
went. He replied, "Just like drill".
John
--------
John Francis
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07905_155.jpg
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
John, congratulations! I am looking forward to that day for myself. Hearing
this keeps me motivated.- Good for you!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
John, first, let me be about the 25th to congratulate you on your first
solo. The shirt bit reminds me of an incident when I was instructing
private license students. One of my students dressed like he was going to a
party every day. On the "appointed" day he came to the airport with a
shirst that must have cost 15 times what a normal shirt would have cost.
After his first solo I told him I had to cut the back out of a shirt and
suggested he go change into a less costly shirt. He said, "No, I want the
back out of the one I soloed in." So I cut the back out (all the way to his
shoulder blades) and he was so proud of that shirt. It's probably still
hanging in the ready room at the airport -- I haven't been out there
recently -- He went on to get his Commercial, Instrument, and Multiengine
ratings. He was probably my best Primary student, although I had a bunch.
Congratulations, again. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 7:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo
>
> Thanks all. Bob just happened to be at the airport last night when I
> soloed. He stayed hidden from my view until it was all over. It was good
> to have him there as we both have been following each others progress of
> building and flying Pietenpols.
>
> My instructor did the shirt thing but had warned me to wear an old shirt.
> A picture is attached.
>
> The first aircraft we took up had a strange shutter to it for just a
> second on our first trip around the pattern. It happened again on the
> second and third trip when the check flight instructor said this isn't
> going to work. I thought we were done for the night but fortunately
> another plane was available. We went up again for two landings in that
> aircraft and he said I was good to go. I was more nervous during the
> check flight than I was during the solo. I can round it all up by quoting
> Neil Armstrong when was asked how the lunar landing went. He replied,
> "Just like drill".
>
> John
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402056#402056
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07905_155.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Picnic |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Just received this announcement, with instructions to "spread the word". So that's
what I'm doing now. This will be of interest to anyone within traveling
distance of southern Ontario (Canada). If you need more detailed directions or
info, please contact me.
> June 15th Twenty third annual Pietenpol Picnic at the farm of Hope and Brian
Kenney for lovers of this iconic open cockpit homebuilt aircraft. 10 am to
dusk lunch provided. Farm located at 374 Concession 7E in East Flamborough.
Camping spots for Friday or Saturday are available. RAA chapter barbeque on the
field Friday evening. Runway is 14-32 and we ask spam-cans to park at the south
end of the field. Circuits for 32 are right hand.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402059#402059
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Picnic |
DANG!...and this was the year I was going to fly out for that!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 5:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Picnic
-->
Just received this announcement, with instructions to "spread the word". So that's
what I'm doing now. This will be of interest to anyone within traveling
distance of southern Ontario (Canada). If you need more detailed directions or
info, please contact me.
> June 15th Twenty third annual Pietenpol Picnic at the farm of Hope and Brian
Kenney for lovers of this iconic open cockpit homebuilt aircraft. 10 am to
dusk lunch provided. Farm located at 374 Concession 7E in East Flamborough.
Camping spots for Friday or Saturday are available. RAA chapter barbeque on the
field Friday evening. Runway is 14-32 and we ask spam-cans to park at the south
end of the field. Circuits for 32 are right hand.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402059#402059
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
Inexpensive, but won't hold up to solvents.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hangar floor color
-->
UNCLASSIFIED
My Son's ex-wife's boyfriend (In Arkansas that is considered a relative)
does concrete work. He recommends acid stain with an acrylic sealant.
Any thoughts?
I have not been happy looking at the sparse selection at Lowe's and Home
Depot.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
UNCLASSIFIED
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Picnic |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Of all the luck...
On the other hand, you could still drive. Google maps says it would only be a
37 hour drive (each way) for you, Gary.
To put things in perspective for others, it's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Buffalo,
NY, and about 3 hours drive from Detroit, MI.
> Gary wrote:
> DANG!...and this was the year I was going to fly out for that!
>
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| From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: squirrelly on the gear |
The only landing gear plans I have are of the split axel gear with Cub type
wheels (which I am going to use). The dimensions given show the gear is 56
inches wide from the centers of the wheels and the height as 48.5 inches
from the top longeron to the ground. OOPS -- I did find a dimension of 51
inches from the top longeron to the ground for the Large Wheel version. It
doesn't give a tread width. In the Pietenpol book, there is a drawing of
the original wooden landing gear with the large wheels. The dimension
between the wooden landing gear struts is 42-1/2 inches measured from the
inside of the bottom white ash blocks. The height from the bottom of the
fuselage at the forward landing gear fitting to the bottom of the white ash
block is 17 inches. Does this help? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 12:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> If memory serves me (I don't have the plans in front of me), the wooden
> gear had a 48" wide tire-to-tire width. Or is that the "improved" gear...
> Either way, it sounds too narrow.
>
> But, I could see the width being 48" if it didn't sit high as it would
> with the Jenny style original gear (wooden)...
>
> Thoughts? I had heard that some of ya'll are making the wooden gear wider
> to begin with, over and above what the plans call for...
>
> I am planning my gear build now, after I get the stick assembly completed.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402046#402046
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
What he said!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 5, 2013, at 6:08 AM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> Congratulations John!!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rdewenter <rdewenter(at)woh.rr.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 8:20 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo
>
>
> Friends,
>
> Our fellow Piet builder John Francis (Russia OH) just completed his privat
e
> pilot solo! Please join me in congratulating a first class guy on his
> accomplishment. Now, we both just need to complete our Piets and fly them
> to broadhead in the near future.
>
> Bob Dewenter
> Dayton OH
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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| Subject: | Re: hangar floor color |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
I always wanted a snazzy garage floor with the spatter paint intended for
them. I realize now, that I spend enough time looking for dropped
fasteners, etc. Would paint floor a solid color. Concrete is slick when
wet, so I thought of the textured deck sealer we've put on our sidewalk. It
is steep, so the no-slip stuff is great. Not sure how that would hold up to
solvents. Oil would NEVER come out, and it is expensive.
I am going to turn a pole barin into a garage/shop by pouring concrete in
existing structure. I am interested in this thread, of course.
M. "Zeke" Zechini
Piet GN-1 NX431LA
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Inexpensive, but won't hold up to solvents.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 4:05 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: hangar floor color
>
> -->
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> My Son's ex-wife's boyfriend (In Arkansas that is considered a relative)
> does concrete work. He recommends acid stain with an acrylic sealant.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> I have not been happy looking at the sparse selection at Lowe's and Home
> Depot.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | hangar floor color |
I say paint it in latex to match your house and your fabric:)
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| Subject: | Re: Congrats to John Francis - First Solo |
| From: | "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
I must have just missed you last night John! I left shortly after you landed the
rough running one, I had to run up to Moraine to take care of an ELT battery
for a guy. But Congrats!!! and be glad you don't have to wear the silly uniform....
Bob, what days are you usually up there at MGY?
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www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
not great quality but here is a video of the first takeoff
wife commentary and all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlesP2y0cKM
I had some water coming out of the overflow at first, climbing.
I hear that's kinda normal... but it got a bit hot.. my radiator is small 19" tall
x 8" wide two row aluminum, I was hoping it was enough... now I think not.
I believe the Lovely radiators are 20x12 ?? I'm gonna go bigger.
May 23, 2013 - June 05, 2013
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