Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-mr

June 05, 2013 - June 23, 2013



      The airplane itself felt OK.. off the ground quick.. ailerons are just as advertised
      .. a little slow.. elevator a little sensitive..but nothing weird at all.
      
      
      that was fun
      
      jeff
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402070#402070
      
      
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Subject: Re: N1929F Flight
From: "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
FANTASTIC! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402076#402076 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N1929F Flight
From: "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
Congrats!! I bet that is quite the feeling of accomplishment right there! -------- A&P/IA Recreational Pilot - working on Private http://www.buckeye-aviation.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402077#402077 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer not perfectly flat
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
Joe; I would take my measuring tape and erase every other mark on it if it's marked in 1/16", and twice that many if it's marked in 1/32". You won't need those when you build a 1929 aircraft out of wood and fabric, especially if you build it on the floor of your barn like Mr. Pietenpol did. The point on the stub of a yellow No. 2 pencil draws a line thicker than 1/16" ;o) Seriously, I think just tautening the fabric on these surfaces could change your "right on the money" uncovered surface by 1/16", so don't sweat it. Also, like Mike and others have pointed out, you can play with the tail surface angles and warp by using the tail brace wires, if yours are adjustable. The purists who use twisted hard wire ferrules with no turnbuckles don't have as much luxury that way, but they do save weight and cost by not installing turnbuckles with clevises back there. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402078#402078 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
Thanks Chuck. I bought the entire set of plans and manual from Andrew, but was going from memory last night, as the plans are out in the shop. The concern I have had is I am a Tricyle gear only pilot at this point, and will benefit from making the gear as stable as I can... I am thinking a wider gear stance and not higher than the plans call for is best, but here again, input from the initiated is best, rather than my guesswork :D Thanks again for the feedback! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402079#402079 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 05, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Thats okay Gary, maybe we can go together next year. Yesterday's trip went okay? Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Cream puff ?
Date: Jun 05, 2013
Scott, what -- pray tell -- is a rag wing? That's one I missed. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cream puff ? > > > Jeff, I have about 11 hours in my buddies rag wing. In fact I did the > first flights on it. His rag wing liked three point takeoffs and > landings. Wheel landings and takeoffs were difficult and a waste of time > since it would be air born :n half the distance it would take to get the > tail off the ground. That said. Once in the air, they fly very much alike > and bleed off airspeed very quickly during the flare. I would think that > if you understand the rag wing you will not have any problems with the > Piet. Go fly it and have fun. > > Great looking plane > > Happy Landings, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402011#402011 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cream puff ?
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
Chuck, It is actually a Ragwing Special. My cell phone was auto-correcting the spelling for me which was wrong when it corrected it. It is an ultralight that looks like a Pitts special. It has a very large cockpit. The one I flew had a Kawasaki 440 snowmobile engine in it. It broke a crank and was later replaced with a Hirth engine which is still in the plane. Fun little airplane to fly and built from wood. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.biplaneforum.com/uploads/20110213_103357_DSC_0649.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.biplaneforum.com/f41/ragwing-rw26-special-ii-two-seater-760/&h=1496&w=2256&sz=407&tbnid=wdA1xmEjMfWlwM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=136&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dragwing%2Bspecial%2Bbiplane%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=ragwing+special+biplane&usg=__N54QDcokw8TVZEFh4W2v9hWahuo=&docid=CidG4rq63G0rEM&sa=X&ei=T2ivUbPIBsKRiQLGlIHIBA&ved=0CDoQ9QEwAQ&dur=9158 -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402084#402084 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cream puff ?
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
The one in the top right corner of one of the smaller pics is the one I used to fly. It has the girl on the tail. See above link. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402085#402085 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West")
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
Well, as Paul said, that does suck But glad you caught it in time! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402086#402086 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
UNCLASSIFIED The Piper Cub gear on my plane is 70 inches from center to center of the tires. Blue Skies, Steve D On 06/05/13, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Thanks Chuck. > > I bought the entire set of plans and manual from Andrew, but was going from memory last night, as the plans are out in the shop. The concern I have had is I am a Tricyle gear only pilot at this point, and will benefit from making the gear as stable as I can... I am thinking a wider gear stance and not higher than the plans call for is best, but here again, input from the initiated is best, rather than my guesswork :D > > Thanks again for the feedback! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402079#402079 > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol Picnic
Date: Jun 05, 2013
Yes! We were loaded and having chicken fried steak by noon! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Picnic Thats okay Gary, maybe we can go together next year. Yesterday's trip went okay? Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tight bungees
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
I rewrapped mine after rebuilding the gear, before I put on the wheels, uh, with the fuse upside down on sawhorses. It was actually very easy and I got them WAY tighter than before. Sooo, the point is, do most folks do them with the wheels on, or off? Dick and I did them together the first time with everything together, just jacking up the plane, and it was MUCH more difficult. I'm not sure how much of the "easy" I'll retain by doing them with the wheels off, but upside right... It sure handled a lot better with them tighter than looser. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402093#402093 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
Subject: Re: Piet plans as amended by Grega
UNCLASSIFIED Oscar, I think I have a Pietenpol Fuselage with an extended nose and engine mount. The Wing appears to be a mix of the Grega three piece and the Pietenpol three piece. All with minor mods from the plans. I prefer to call it a pure bred Mongrel. :-} Steve D On 06/03/13, taildrags wrote: > > In case nobody mentioned it yet, most Gregas mount the landing gear legs to the fuselage with one mount point where the wing lift strut also joins to the fuselage, but with the other mount point non-concurrent with the other lift strut mount point. If you look at the pix that Chris Rusch just posted of his beautiful airplane, the side shot shows that the gear legs mount at the same spots as the wing lift struts. Classic Air Camper configuration. > > Steve, I believe you have yourself a hermaphroditic agglomeration with accretions and synthetizations. It's an AirGregation of Piet Camper parts. I'll bet it will fly, though. And if we were in Great Britain, you would give the Brit "airplane spotters" a devil of a time trying to figure out what it is ;o) > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401937#401937 > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
Subject: bungee tips--long
To make life easier in wrapping bungees don't order your by-the-foot bungee from Aircraft Spruce or Wicks. They both list it as 1/2" but it is actually 5/8" diameter which is magnitudes more d ifficult to wrap and secure. I will check where I purchased my last batch when I go to the hangar but it was some marine supply place in New England and it is a true 1/2" and good quality. Avoid buying bungee/ shock cord fr om flea markets and places like Harbor Freight. This is one area where you want good stuff and it really isn't that expensi ve, even for the good shock cord. >From the get-go 15 years ago I went with 6' x =BD" diameter for each axel e nd. Works fine. One year I ordered "1/2 inch" from Wicks or ACS and it was way thicker- more like 5/8" and without even trying it I returned it. I admire you guys who can actually wrap and secure that stuff. I think Steve Irwin had an easier time wrest ling alligators than he would have had wrapping 5/8" bungee. I lift up my Jenny gear by putting a bottle jack under each ash member. M y 1/8" safety loop cable will catch the axel before it bashes up into the lower longeron should the gear slip off the jack. I use a figure-eight kind of wrap and start it with one loop and several (l ike 4 or 5) use high quality tye-wraps with a tye-wrap gun to secure the first loop. Snip and file clean those sharp ends of the cut exc ess. Wrap tighter than you think you'll need and the secure the other end with about 5-6 closely spaced tye-wraps, snip the ends and fi le them smooth. All tye-wraps are not created equal. I only use the Ty-Rap brand. (photo below) After about 4 years the UV an d smoke oil tire out the bungee rubber and wraps (especially the smoke oil side.) but by then they are usually dirty enough where a make over looks nice anyway. More below. [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D390] [cid:image002.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D3 90] [cid:image003.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D390] [cid:image004.jpg(at)01CE62 0C.B408D390] I wrap and secure both sides and if the axel is off the ash blocks at all, the bungees are too loose. With a passenger and full fuel the axel will be up 2, 3" off the blocks and that isn't what you want. Time to re-wrap. Once you have it go out to your wing struts and rock the plane on the gear I ca n lift each wheel off the ground when I do my test but there should be about an inch or inch and a half movement of the axel off the block before you ca n lift it off the ground. You also can go side-to-side and see if one bunge e is significantly tighter than the other. There have been times when I h ad to re-wrap 2, 3 times to get it right. They don't have to be perfectly even b ut you'll know---especially when you go out for a taxi test. Watch that bu mping and how far each axle comes off the ash blocks and you'll see clearly what you have. I generally have about zero to =BD" of axel-to-ash clearance whe n I'm taxiing out with a full tank of fuel. With a passenger I usually have about an inch of axel off the ash blocks depending how much they weigh. Hope this helps all of you Infidels:). Mike C. PS-did I mention that my Uncle Tony talks about bungee cords? He mostly co vers the loop-style for the other type gear legs if you're not using the sp rings. [cid:image005.jpg(at)01CE620C.B408D390] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
70" just sounds better to me ;-) I don't know if there are major draw backs to a wider gear, or if there is a magic formula for width of gear to fuse length that needs to be considered, but what would be wrong with a wider gear like 70" ... I know, its wrong because the original design wasn't 70" and its been flying for 80+ years.... :-) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402098#402098 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tight bungees
Date: Jun 05, 2013
We did ours with the wheels off but right side up. It was a chore for the two of us and Mike is young and tough. He had a little extra length and a good pair of vise grips. It was a chore to remember=2C even in my old age. We stated with as hard a pull as we could muster and held that tension al l the way through the wrap. It is not a cushy ride but stable on the groun d. Mike had to make an off field in the dirt landing with the engine not runni ng and had no control issues at all. This was with a passenger in the fron t seat. I think the stiff suspension was a factor in the ultimate success on a bad day. Vic 414MV > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tight bungees > From: n0kkj(at)yahoo.com > Date: Wed=2C 5 Jun 2013 12:33:58 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > I rewrapped mine after rebuilding the gear=2C before I put on the wheels =2C uh=2C with the fuse upside down on sawhorses. > > It was actually very easy and I got them WAY tighter than before. > > Sooo=2C the point is=2C do most folks do them with the wheels on=2C or of f? Dick and I did them together the first time with everything together=2C just jacking up the plane=2C and it was MUCH more difficult. > > I'm not sure how much of the "easy" I'll retain by doing them with the wh eels off=2C but upside right... > > It sure handled a lot better with them tighter than looser. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402093#402093 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Date: Jun 05, 2013
I plan to be there! What I'm hoping for is a chance for 10-15 min of stick time in a somebody's Piet.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 8:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Picnic > > > Just received this announcement, with instructions to "spread the word". > So that's what I'm doing now. This will be of interest to anyone within > traveling distance of southern Ontario (Canada). If you need more > detailed directions or info, please contact me. > > >> June 15th ?" Twenty third annual Pietenpol Picnic at the farm of Hope >> and Brian Kenney ?" for lovers of this iconic open cockpit homebuilt >> aircraft. 10 am to dusk ?" lunch provided. Farm located at 374 >> Concession 7E in East Flamborough. Camping spots for Friday or Saturday >> are available. RAA chapter barbeque on the field Friday evening. Runway >> is 14-32 and we ask spam-cans to park at the south end of the field. >> Circuits for 32 are right hand. > > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402059#402059 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Date: Jun 05, 2013
My gear has a tread of 69", and has handled numerous gusty crosswinds. To me it doesn't look too terribly wide, but see what you think: Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 5:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear 70" just sounds better to me ;-) I don't know if there are major draw backs to a wider gear, or if there is a magic formula for width of gear to fuse length that needs to be considered, but what would be wrong with a wider gear like 70" ... I know, its wrong because the original design wasn't 70" and its been flying for 80+ years.... :-) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402098#402098 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Date: Jun 05, 2013
And you guys from down south, make sure to wear your heavy winter coats. Theres an instant temperature shear at the 49th parallel. Clif Q: Are there supermarkets in Toronto and is milk available all year round? ( Germany ) A: No, we are a peaceful civilization of Vegan hunter/gatherers. Milk is illegal. > > > Of all the luck... > > On the other hand, you could still drive. Google maps says it would only > be a 37 hour drive (each way) for you, Gary. > > To put things in perspective for others, it's about 1 1/2 hours drive from > Buffalo, NY, and about 3 hours drive from Detroit, MI. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N1929F Flight
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
VERY nice!! Thanks for sharing that! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402108#402108 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
From: "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu>
Date: Jun 05, 2013
Okay, Bill, I am completely embarrassed by my maintained knowledge of geography. I am from Minnesota and duck hunt every year in Ontario. I thought it'd be doable to drive a couple hours to see some Piets in 'Southern Ontario'. Guess I forgot the Providence stretched all the way to New York. Guess I will spend that weekend studying an atlas as a refresher. Wish I could make it as I have to work over Brodhead this year. . . Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402110#402110 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 06, 2013
Tom, Ontario IS big. To put it in perspective, it's about 1.5 times the size of Texas. Your couple of hours drive would put you in Southern Northwestern Ontario. :) I have family up there (just north of Minnesota), and to visit involves an 18 - 20 hour drive - and I don't even leave the province. We once had a visitor from Germany that we took on one of those journeys. She couldn't believe how long the drive was. In Europe, such a long trip would have encompassed half a dozen countries, whereas in Canada, we didn't even leave the province. Too bad you will miss Brodhead this year. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402113#402113 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 06, 2013
Mark, Just for the sake of perspective. Mine is 52" (per gary's measurement) just like Gary's. Although my gear is not as tall as his. Mine works very well. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402116#402116 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jun 06, 2013
Subject: Broken Bungee & How I repaired it
Looks like a very nice solution to your fraying bungee issues Jerry. The bungee wrap nearly covers your entire leather wrap. Looks really good to me and you should get much longer life out of your bungee shock cords. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 06, 2013
I see your point Scott, BUT, you're a better pilot than I am :D Kinda like training wheels for me :o Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402122#402122 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 06, 2013
Great topic. Does anyone know what the track is on a cub or a champ? Oh, Just a thought here. The wider the track is, the harder it will be to hold a wing down in a crosswind. How wide is too wide? I don't know. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402124#402124 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Alt Eng Round-up
Date: Jun 06, 2013
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Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 06, 2013
That's a great point that I hadn't thought of: the crosswind factor. Since the ailerons are not known to be overly effective, I too wonder how wide is too wide. The cub gear is 70", and it is close to the Piet in size (6 feet more wing, but still in the ball park). Any aero-scholars out there have any ideas? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402129#402129 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 06, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Broken Bungee & How I repaired it
Paul, I started down that road, but abandoned the idea because of added weight that I did not want on the plane. I really didn't get very far with it. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Date: Jun 06, 2013
Hopefully I don't get in trouble for posting this but here is an article about landing gear design. The biggest problem is we don't know where the true center of gravity (center of mass is probably a better term) on a Pietenpol is located which makes all this information difficult to apply on our plane. Note: the true center of gravity is not along the wing cord like all the drawings of a planes weight and balance seem to show. -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402140#402140 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/landing_gear_design_178.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jun 06, 2013
It's 77" on a Taylorcraft L2 Rick Schreiber Sent from my iPad On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:57 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Great topic. Does anyone know what the track is on a cub or a champ? > > Oh, Just a thought here. The wider the track is, the harder it will be to hold a wing down in a crosswind. How wide is too wide? I don't know. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402124#402124 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 06, 2013
Thanks Chris, I will have a look at that when I get home. Looks interesting. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402149#402149 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Jun 06, 2013
On the airlion my gear is 57 inches and have not had any trouble with it. gardiner. Sent from my iPad On Jun 6, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Rick wrote: > > It's 77" on a Taylorcraft L2 > Ith > Rick Schreiber > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:57 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > >> >> Great topic. Does anyone know what the track is on a cub or a champ? >> >> Oh, Just a thought here. The wider the track is, the harder it will be to hold a wing down in a crosswind. How wide is too wide? I don't know. >> >> -------- >> Scott Liefeld >> Flying N11MS since March 1972 >> Steel Tube >> C-85-12 >> Wire Wheels >> Brodhead in 1996 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402124#402124 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 06, 2013
The distance between centers of tire tread on Scout (with split J-3 style gear) is right at 57" with nobody in the airplane. Is somebody going to put all these data points into Excel and generate a nifty statistical bell curve showing the most popular spacing? ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402158#402158 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Date: Jun 06, 2013
Yes, Oscar...you are! ;-) But allow me to clarify...there's a difference between squirrely and tippy. My problem is tippy. Gear too narrow for its height. I don't think all this data would mean anything without taking height into consideration to solve a tippy problem. BTW - "Tippy" is the word supplied by Kevin, so I'm sure it's UNCLASSIFIED.... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 3:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear --> The distance between centers of tire tread on Scout (with split J-3 style gear) is right at 57" with nobody in the airplane. Is somebody going to put all these data points into Excel and generate a nifty statistical bell curve showing the most popular spacing? ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402158#402158 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 06, 2013
Hey! I'd like to read that chart Chris! All this is coming at a good time for my planning... I want to make the gear next... Catdesigns wrote: > Oscar > > Gary is absolutely right, it is very dependent on the height to width. That > is exactly what the article tells us. You can have the same width with > taller gear and it gets tipsy, er I mean tippy. What we really need to make > all this data relevant is the height of the top longeron with the top > longeron level and the gear width. Then we can compare all the data. I > will volunteer to collect the data, make some pretty graphs and crunch the > data IF people will send the gear width AND height of the longeron in a the > level position as measured on their flying Pietenpol. A qualitative report > about you tippyness would also be appreciated. Will it tell us something? > Who knows but it would be fun to find out. > > Oscar you could be the first to send in your data? Or you can fly that plane > down here and I will measure it while you and Gary swap stories of broken > planes over a few beers. > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > > -- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402168#402168 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 06, 2013
Chris; I understand the concept of overturning moment ;o) I'll be at the hangar this weekend and will level up the airplane and measure from the top of the top longeron to the ground. I know I've done it before, but I don't remember where I wrote it down. And not to contradict what Ken said, just getting back to the design article and a technical point, it may be that the CG is vertically positioned somewhere near the top longeron. Look at the head-on diagram in the article and the CG is shown roughly on the nose of the airplane, which (unless you have a Ford A-powered Piet), is close to the level of the top longeron. Not exactly, but close. The overturning moment is created in part by the mass at the CG acting on a moment arm equal to its height above the ground. The higher the CG is, the 'tippier' the airplane will be in roll, strictly talking about gravity here (no aerodynamic forces). Resisting this tippiness are the main gear, with a wider stance presenting more resistance to the rolling tendency or 'tippiness'. So, while measuring to the top of the wing as Ken suggests might be useful if there were significant mass up there, we already know that a pair of wings and struts is only going to amount to about 1/4 the total weight of the plane... the other 3/4 is down around where the heavier parts are. I think it would be worthwhile to gather some numbers such as width of track and height to top of the top longeron and then put them on a graph of some sort. If several well-established airplanes and pilots can then provide qualitative reports on 'tippiness' of their airplanes and those reports can be compared to where the data points for those airplanes fall on the graph, we may see a pattern emerge. Some of it is intuitive, of course... a ship with extended cabanes, tall wheels, narrow gear, and a Ford A engine and radiator might be expected to be tippier than a split-gear, wide-stance, fat tired, flat-4 engined ship would be. All of this is stuff that we should only be doing when it's rainy, windy, and cold out though. Right now we should be flying ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402177#402177 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
From: "tdudley57(at)gmail.com" <tdudley57(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 06, 2013
It's been bugging me all day Bill--province, not Providence [Wink] . Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402179#402179 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Jun 07, 2013
Great timing...I am about to flip my fuselage over and build the gear! Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402183#402183 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 07, 2013
I've been biting my tongue. The whole of Rhode Island isn't even that big - let alone one city. :) BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402191#402191 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: bungee chafing etc
Date: Jun 07, 2013
Hi all, Instead of leather, I cut up some really thick rubber inner tube protectors I had laying around. Leather is probably more "period" though. Likely heavier, but I know that the Germans in WW1 sprung some of their axles using long springs wrapped around the axle just like bungees. I think it was they had more steel than rubber. They looked like screen door springs stretched and wrapped. Looked bulkier than bungee, and is heavier (I weighed a foot of each back when I was considering it) BUT. it wouldn't chafe. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: bungee chafing etc
Date: Jun 07, 2013
Greg and Dale used the leather wrap method "I purchased the leather from a local saddle shop. It was referred to as "sole leather" because it is relatively thick, about 1/8". It was very stiff but leather can be formed easily by soaking it in water for a few minutes. It is attached to the bottom of the ash block with a couple of small screws but the bungees keep it held in place. Round headed rivets per the original plans instead of threaded fasteners in this location would most likely eliminate the need for the leather cuff. Greg Cardinal" Link to a drawing of their setup http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Greg%20and%20Dale/images/Anti%20Chafe%20Cuff .pdf Another idea I have seen is to place a wide board on the bottom of the ash block so the bungees are not al likely to touch the bolt heads. You can see it in this picture. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Larry%20Williams/images/Air_Venture_2003_tri p_104.jpg Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 4:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungee chafing etc Hi all, Instead of leather, I cut up some really thick rubber inner tube protectors I had laying around. Leather is probably more "period" though. Likely heavier, but I know that the Germans in WW1 sprung some of their axles using long springs wrapped around the axle just like bungees. I think it was they had more steel than rubber. They looked like screen door springs stretched and wrapped. Looked bulkier than bungee, and is heavier (I weighed a foot of each back when I was considering it) BUT. it wouldn't chafe. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Any Scottish Piets oh list?
From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jun 07, 2013
I am sitting in the Cleveland airport waiting for a flight to Edinburgh Scotland. I'll be touring with a group, but I'm wondering if there are any Scots or Brits between Edinburgh and York that I might be able to catch up with sometime in the next week? Thanks! Kip Gardner ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Any Scottish Piets oh list?
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 07, 2013
I'm part Scottish and in CA. I'll visit with you if detour through this neck of the woods. Enjoy your trip. The wife says we are going there in three years for our 25th. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402242#402242 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 07, 2013
Ok Gary. My straight axle gear has a width (center to center of tire) of 62.75 inches. With the upper longeron level the distance from the ground to the top of the upper longeron is 54.75 inches. I have 90 landings on it so far and I think the handling is far better and easier to land than the Champ I did my tail wheel endorsement in. Mike Groah 414MV Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2013, at 3:58 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Yes, Oscar...you are! ;-) > > But allow me to clarify...there's a difference between squirrely and tippy. > My problem is tippy. Gear too narrow for its height. I don't think all this > data would mean anything without taking height into consideration to solve a > tippy problem. > > BTW - "Tippy" is the word supplied by Kevin, so I'm sure it's > UNCLASSIFIED.... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 3:50 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear > > --> > > The distance between centers of tire tread on Scout (with split J-3 style > gear) is right at 57" with nobody in the airplane. > > Is somebody going to put all these data points into Excel and generate a > nifty statistical bell curve showing the most popular spacing? ;o) > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402158#402158 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering (aka: "Brodhead West")
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 07, 2013
I agree totally with Vic's post! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402266#402266 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 07, 2013
Good stuff guys. Keep it comin'... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402267#402267 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jun 07, 2013
Subject: flying show
UNCLASSIFIED Monday night James May from Top gear will be in a show called Flight Club. it is about planes and model planes. I personally love Flying Wild Alaska. While it is very scripted, I hope that it attracts students to flying. Blue Skies, Steven D. UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
My wheels are 52" to center. Upper longeron is 54 1/2". Additionally, thanks to note from Jerry Dotson, I see that my tail wheel swivels at a greater rate than the rudder. A longer tail wheel control arm will correct that. Seems that the wheel should either match the rudder or be slightly less. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Michael Groah wrote: > > Ok Gary. My straight axle gear has a width (center to center of tire) of 62.75 inches. With the upper longeron level the distance from the ground to the top of the upper longeron is 54.75 inches. > > I have 90 landings on it so far and I think the handling is far better and easier to land than the Champ I did my tail wheel endorsement in. > > > Mike Groah > 414MV > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 6, 2013, at 3:58 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > >> >> Yes, Oscar...you are! ;-) >> >> But allow me to clarify...there's a difference between squirrely and tippy. >> My problem is tippy. Gear too narrow for its height. I don't think all this >> data would mean anything without taking height into consideration to solve a >> tippy problem. >> >> BTW - "Tippy" is the word supplied by Kevin, so I'm sure it's >> UNCLASSIFIED.... >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags >> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 3:50 PM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squirrelly on the gear >> >> --> >> >> The distance between centers of tire tread on Scout (with split J-3 style >> gear) is right at 57" with nobody in the airplane. >> >> Is somebody going to put all these data points into Excel and generate a >> nifty statistical bell curve showing the most popular spacing? ;o) >> >> -------- >> Oscar Zuniga >> Medford, OR >> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> A75 power >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402158#402158 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Weston <smikewest(at)comcast.net>
Subject: riblett attack
Date: Jun 08, 2013
so,here is my little question.where is the angle of incidence on the 30-612 profile measured from? the chord line? the bottoms of the spars? the bottom of the airfoil? any ideas? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: riblett attack
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
Good Question. I thought I knew until I started to write a reply, and in my reply I began to question my own understanding of it, so help us here all you aerodynamically qualified people! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402286#402286 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: riblett attack
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
As I recall from all the aero classes I've taken, it's measured from the chord line. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402287#402287 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: riblett attack
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
>From that quintessential tome, Theory of Wing Sections, the angle of attack is "the angle between the plane of the wing and the direction of motion." Not totally clear. If only the authors had stated whether the chord is, in fact, the chord of the wing. In fact, however, it would appear that the plane of the airfoil is indeed, the mean aerodynamic chord. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can chime in? -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402289#402289 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wire spoke wheels size...
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
In the current discussion of the height of the landing gear, I am wondering if you wire spoked wheel guys can tell me what wheels you chose, what size they are when inflated, and where you got them. I am drawing out my landing gear design from the "improved" gear design, but plan to use wire spoked wheels, not 6" tires. So, I want to keep the overall height of the top of the fuse in the same location as plans, but, that will require compensation for the additional height of the spoked wheels... Since I have not purchased the wheels, I am wondering what size I should be designing to match. Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402291#402291 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
Date: Jun 08, 2013
On NX18235 the track is 56" and the top longeron is at 50". Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 7:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: squirrelly on the gear > > I changed the subject line ;o) Gary, what is the track (distance between > contact patches) of your mains? I know there's a word for it but I can't > remember it right now. Just interested in comparing that dimension > between airplanes, as I'm sure it does have some effect on ground > handling. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402012#402012 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol " Wing Kit ' FOR SALE
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
Hello all, I have moved on to other airplanes and decided not to continue on with my Piet project. I have a really nice " Wing Kit " to give someone a nice start on there wings. Everything is spruce and mahogany plywood. I have all the ribs built, the spruce spars have all the plywood plates on and holes drilled. Was at the point of starting to to put the ribs on and wings together but never glued so all the ribs are slid back off. Center section is glued up and all is squared perfect. All holes are right on and all slides right together with perfect fit. Have all the wood to build wings and ailerons. All spruce. Had a wood shop make a cutter and make the leading edge to a smooth rounded edge. Also had trailing edge milled to fit tongue and groove in trailing edge of ribs. All is in a 15' box for easy hauling. Have all Ken Perkins water jet fittings that were epoxy primed and painted satin black. Will sell for less than half of what I have in materials and labor is free. You all know what spruce cost and Ken's parts alone are almost work what I am asking. Will sell all for $ 1,500.00 and someone would have a jump start on a nice set of wings. All workmanship is quality. You will not be disappointed. Will try and post some pictures here. In the pictures the wings are sitting together but not glued. As I say they are all apart now and everything is in a easy haul-able size. If anyone would like more pictures or info. email me direct to my email. Thanks Rob 812-932-9000 or 812-689-1254 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402295#402295 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ad_pic_2_146.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/center_135.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ad_pic_397.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 4130 tubing FOR SALE
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
I have moved on to other airplanes that have came up and stoped work on my Piet. Was planning on building a steel tube fuselage and tail feathers. I have all the 4130 tubing to build the fuselage per plans the correct size and wall thickness. Also the correct size tubing for the tail feathers. All in long 20' to 24' pieces and upper longerons can be made one piece. All is either USA or Germany made. No stuff from China! My loss is your gain. Will sell for less than half of what it cost new. Will sell for $ 900.00. Thanks Rob 812-932-9000 or 812-689-1254 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402296#402296 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Attaching ribs to spars question
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
I feel a bit embarrassed to ask, but I am curious about rib attachment to the spars. I remember reading once that the ribs can be simply nailed to the spars as they are held to the spars with the drag anti-drag wires and compression strut assembly. This makes it easier to replace broken ribs and spars as necessary if damaged. I had planned to glue everything together. Again, seems like a stupid question unless you need a wing repair. Gary's new "project" caused me to think of the issue. Seems like you would need more than 4 nails tacked into both spars and the drag/anti drag wires and compression struts... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402297#402297 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere! My spar replace project got infinitely easier without glued ribs!! Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2013, at 4:28 PM, "Mark Roberts" wrote: > > I feel a bit embarrassed to ask, but I am curious about rib attachment to the spars. I remember reading once that the ribs can be simply nailed to the spars as they are held to the spars with the drag anti-drag wires and compression strut assembly. This makes it easier to replace broken ribs and spars as necessary if damaged. > > I had planned to glue everything together. > > Again, seems like a stupid question unless you need a wing repair. Gary's new "project" caused me to think of the issue. Seems like you would need more than 4 nails tacked into both spars and the drag/anti drag wires and compression struts... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402297#402297 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
Once the fabric covering is applied and rib stitched where can that entire assembly really go anyway... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402299#402299 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Wire spoke wheels size...
Date: Jun 08, 2013
Mark, On NX18235 we have 19" rims and the tires are Chen Shin 19 X 3.50 with the treads shaved off. Fully inflated they are about 25" tall. The tires were purchased from JC Whitney. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 3:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire spoke wheels size... > > > In the current discussion of the height of the landing gear, I am > wondering if you wire spoked wheel guys can tell me what wheels you chose, > what size they are when inflated, and where you got them. > > I am drawing out my landing gear design from the "improved" gear design, > but plan to use wire spoked wheels, not 6" tires. > > So, I want to keep the overall height of the top of the fuse in the same > location as plans, but, that will require compensation for the additional > height of the spoked wheels... > > Since I have not purchased the wheels, I am wondering what size I should > be designing to match. > > Thanks! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402291#402291 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: riblett attack
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
Tom, he is asking about angle of incidence, not angle of attack. Wolfgang Langewiesche in his great book, Stick and Rudder, defined angle of incidence as "the angle at which your wings are set with reference to the lengthwise axis of your airplane." Navy Flight School textbooks define it as "The acute angle between the chord line of the airfoil and a selected reference plane, usually the longitudinal axis of the aircraft." So, I believe Tools' earlier post is the more correct definition. As to earlier posts of a few days ago, it doesn't matter as much if your ribs are set so the chord is perpendicular to the spars. What matters is how they eventually are set with reference to the longitudinal axis, most likely measured from the upper longeron on the fuselage. My $.02 -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402302#402302 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
Okay. I was at the hangar and measured 50-3/4" from the top of the top longeron to the ground with Scout in the level attitude. Right in line with most other folks' measurements. I happen to have a somewhat unique situation, in that I have a complete set of "Daddy Longlegs" spoked motorcycle wheel landing gear in the hangar. I assembled the pieces onto the jig and made a few measurements; see photo. Pay no attention to the fact that one bungee shock strut is mounted 180 degrees out of whack. You get the idea. Surprisingly, the track (width) of the motorcycle wheel landing gear setup is within 1/2" of the Cub-style gear that I have mounted, and the distance from the ground to the bottom of the bottom longeron is only 1-1/2" more with the motorcycle tire setup than with the Cub-style split gear. I guess Piets just look taller and tippier with skinny spoked wheels and tires on them ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402303#402303 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0531_774.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: landing gear weight
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
To go back to a topic that was discussed a couple of weeks ago, I weighed the motorcycle wheel/tire gear leg setup that I have. See picture; it's a very conventional setup with Buchanan's spoke and wheel work, aluminum rims. The gear, brakes, tires, legs, bungees, etc. MINUS the wooden jig weighs 53.5 lbs. The wooden jig, which is oak and also mounts the two gear leg/wing strut fittings that go on the lower longerons, weighs 13 lbs. with the gear leg mounting bolts on it ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402304#402304 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0527_211.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 09, 2013
From: John Woods <johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: riblett attack
Michael, Here is an extract of email from Graham Hewitt who is flying a Riblett 612 Pietenpol=C2-down here=C2-in Australia..... How to set the incidence of the 612 Riblett airfoil It is based on the True Chord line=C2- this is a straight line connecting the exact center of the L/E to the center of the T/E Draw this line clearly on your center section Rib, clamp a straight edge to it,=C2- then with a smart level set this one degree positive to the Datu m of the top longeron Cut your cabanes to achieve this Hope this helps. John Woods Perth Western Australia ----- "Michael Weston" wrote: > so,here is my little question.where is the angle of incidence on the 30-612 profile measured from? the chord line? the bottoms of the spars? the botto m of the airfoil? any ideas? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 09, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
HI Mark, My ribs are glued to the spars on the one wing I have built so far. Second wing will be the same. Jim B. =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
Thanks guys. It is good to know that they can just be tacked into place and hold just fine. I had thought they needed to be glued, and I started thinking about it in light of your repair project Gary... So it's good to know for my future build of the wing. Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402309#402309 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: riblett attack
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
God bless you my brotha' from down unda'! That just helped me a bunch! Saving this text thread for future reference.... Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402310#402310 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Ash fuse gear block mounts... Just realized are 3/4 not
1&qu
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
I just realized I have built my fuse with 3/4" thick ash mounts, not 1" thick tapering to 3/4" at the ends where they meet the fuse. I really don't know of this is a big deal or not. Strength there is a good thing, but I don't know if the extra 1/4" is going to keep me from a gear collapse or what. I have already painted over both pieces with 2 coats of spar varnish. Thoughts? Reassurances? Bets from the gallery as to when my gear collapses on me? Measure twice, install once... :? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402311#402311 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: riblett attack
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
Mark, Here is a link to a previous thread discussing the Riblett incidence. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=83884&highlight=riblett+incidence I agree that the Aussie answer makes the most sense from a practical, builder point of view. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402313#402313 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ash fuse gear block mounts... Just realized are 3/4
not 1&qu
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
Mark, > Thoughts? Reassurances? Bets from the gallery as to when my gear collapses on me? I don't see those mounts as part of my set of plans, so I do not 100% understand what you are asking. I am sure that plenty of other guys can chime in that do. So, my question is this - what is the lost mass of the quarter inch relative to the plans mount? Obviously, you are 25% thinner (3/4 inch vice 1 inch), but that line tapers. So you are not 25% less overall mass. Are you 10%? 15%? 17.5%? I constantly see people write that this airplane is "overbuilt" (meaning that it is an overly strong design), but is that good enough for you to go fly your family with this change to the mount? That is your call, and that is the real question. I guess that is one of the reasons that they call it experimental amateur built. You can be your own test pilot on your personally designed mount. But ask Tools how much fun it is to replace gear when it collapses. Not fun, I would expect. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402314#402314 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: riblett attack
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2013
Thanks Terry. I had forgotten all about that post. I read it when it was first listed, but forgot all about it. Thanks for the reminder! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402315#402315 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 4130 tubing FOR SALE
From: "stearmandriver" <pwr2800(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 09, 2013
pm sent Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402319#402319 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: new member in Cincinnati area
From: "stearmandriver" <pwr2800(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 09, 2013
Hello, I have recently acquired the bug to build a steel tube Pietenpol. Spending my entire life in the air, in hangers and barns has left me with a love of craftsmanship. I am not ready to start actually building but more in the research stage. if anyone in the Cincinnati area will be in their shop or hanger this week, I would love to stop by and have a look at your project or completed aircraft. Thanks in advance for patience offered to a Pietenpol scrod... Best Regards, Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402320#402320 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Weston <smikewest(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: riblett attack
Date: Jun 09, 2013
thanks guys. that should do it. thanks. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ash fuse gear block mounts... Just realized are 3/4
not 1&qu
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 09, 2013
Hmmm, are you talking about the ash pieces that go from side to side on the fuse? I broke one and replaced it, thought it was supposed to be 3/4, it was 3/4 and I replaced it with 3/4, thinking I should go check the plans more carefully! Ergo, I think 3/4 is fine, the break was due to the fuse dropping onto the axle, not normal use. If it's supposed to be 1 tapering to 3/4, you won't lose any strength in the area of the joint, as it's predicated on 3/4 clearly. Also, I'm not certain it EVER broke either. When I removed it, what looked like a crack to me, was a chip of wood that was more likely broken out when the original fittings were installed. Wasn't difficult to replace (at that point), so did it anyway. IF you have any doubts to reconcile, laminate on a piece to bring up the plans dimensions. Simply carve or sand away the varnish beforehand. The laminated piece, done correctly, will be as strong (or stronger). I'm not sure why it would be 1 tapering to 3/4 anyway. When the plane was designed, 1" lumber was indeed 1" thick. Getting 1" thick ash these days would require laminating, cutting down from 8 (or maybe 6/4) or more rarely, buying 5/4 lumber. It's possible Pietenpol was using what was generally available. Much of the cross section strength here is coming from that piece being laminated onto the belly pan piece of 1/4 plywood. Good well fitted fittings are necessary though. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402323#402323 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jun 09, 2013
Subject: Re: Ash fuse gear block mounts... Just realized are
3/4 not 1&qu UNCLASSIFIED > I'm not sure why it would be 1 tapering to 3/4 anyway. When the plane was designed, 1" lumber was indeed 1" thick. Getting 1" thick ash these days would require laminating, cutting down from 8 (or maybe 6/4) or more rarely, buying 5/4 lumber. It's possible Pietenpol was using what was generally available. Much of the cross section strength here is coming from that piece being laminated onto the belly pan piece of 1/4 plywood. I am not sure when the market changed but the "rationale" from the lumber industry is: In the past, you could buy "rough" lumber, wood that actually met the dimensions but it was measured green and not planed or shaped, at the lumber yard. Most home framing and construction was done with rough lumber. It may not have a straight edge and almost looked "fuzzy" but it was in 1 inch increments Lumber's nominal dimensions are given in terms of green (not dried), rough (unfinished) dimensions. The finished size is smaller, as a result of drying (which shrinks the wood), and planing to smooth the wood. However, the difference between "nominal" and "finished" lumber size can vary. Now you get "finished" lumber that has been planed and shaped. BUT it is smaller in all dimensions than rough lumber. You can order lumber in the bigger dimensions but it is just about as cheap to buy a larger size and rip it down. My experience in this area is in working with historic homes. We often had to rip bigger wood down to a full specification. The best thing was to be able to salvage wood from a period home that was being destroyed. Blue Skies, Steve D Just found this on Wikipedia (so it must be true): Early standards called for green rough lumber to be of full nominal dimension when dry. However, the dimensions have diminished over time. In 1910, a typical finished 1-inch- (25mm) board was 1316in (21mm). In 1928, that was reduced by 4%, and yet again by 4% in 1956. In 1961, at a meeting in Scottsdale, Arizona, the Committee on Grade Simplification and Standardization agreed to what is now the current U.S. standard: in part, the dressed size of a 1inch (nominal) board was fixed at 34inch; while the dressed size of 2inch (nominal) lumber was reduced from 1 58inch to the current 1 12inch. UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jun 09, 2013
Subject: Re: Floorboard refinish
UNCLASSIFIED OK, Here with another silly question. Under the floorboards and anywhere inside that I see bare wood. What should i use to seal the wood? I think West system is way overkill for items not suffering wear. Inspection shows that it is all good wood. No rot no softness. Some is obviously sealed, some I am not sure about. As recommended, I would like to seal this wood. How can I tell if it is sealed? Blue Skies, Steve D UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Wire spoke wheels size...
Date: Jun 09, 2013
Mark, Mine are 21" x 3.00" aluminum rims, with Avon Speedmaster tyres (from England). The wheels have 36 spokes, the hubs are 6" wide of my own design, machined from a solid billet of 6061 T651 aluminum. Spokes were custom made (rolled threads) and laced by Buchanan's in California. Brakes are Cleveland 6" hydraulic disc brakes. Total weight of each wheel, complete with tire, tube and brake disc is 25 lbs. Anything else you need to know? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire spoke wheels size... In the current discussion of the height of the landing gear, I am wondering if you wire spoked wheel guys can tell me what wheels you chose, what size they are when inflated, and where you got them. I am drawing out my landing gear design from the "improved" gear design, but plan to use wire spoked wheels, not 6" tires. So, I want to keep the overall height of the top of the fuse in the same location as plans, but, that will require compensation for the additional height of the spoked wheels... Since I have not purchased the wheels, I am wondering what size I should be designing to match. Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402291#402291 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: squirrelly on the gear
Date: Jun 09, 2013
On NX899JP, the tread is 69" and the top longeron is at 52" Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: squirrelly on the gear On NX18235 the track is 56" and the top longeron is at 50". Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 7:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: squirrelly on the gear > > I changed the subject line ;o) Gary, what is the track (distance between > contact patches) of your mains? I know there's a word for it but I can't > remember it right now. Just interested in comparing that dimension > between airplanes, as I'm sure it does have some effect on ground > handling. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402012#402012 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ash fuse gear block mounts... Just realized are 3/4
not 1&qu
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 09, 2013
Thanks guys... I was thinking that I might lay a .090 steel strap over the top of the ash and use plenty of bolts to sandich the ash block, but it sounds like some of yu are using 3/4" ash, so maybe it is a moot point. I just needed to have some input as to whether I was in the "safe" zone. I plan to make the bottom steel straps all the way across the belly as well, as I can see hard landings potentially an issue with my skill set :? Thanks for the feedback. Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402354#402354 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wire spoke wheels size...
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 09, 2013
> Anything else you need to know? Uh yeah Jack: How can I get me a pair of them nice lookin' hubs! :) Thanks for the input. I am assuming a 21" rim is not the finished size with tire? Would those be 3" wide or 3" high? I am not familiar with tires yet (kind ignorant actually... can you tell by the question?) My plan is to use Spoked Tires with "Improved" gear, and it would seem that if I did, I would raise the top of the longerons when level by much more than the design intended. Since the bigger wheels are taller than the wide tires of the improved gear, it wold seem that using the wire spoked on the improved gear would require a slight modification in the height of the gear legs, Right? Or is this overthinking things, and it is not that critical? Many thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402355#402355 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ash fuse gear block mounts... Just realized are 3/4
not 1&q
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 09, 2013
Thanks Steve.... I might be over thinking the whole thing, but I want to be safe! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402356#402356 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wire spoke wheels size...
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 09, 2013
Mark, My rule of thumb is "when all else fails, read the instructions (plans)". In this case, referring to drawing No. 3 (split axle LG), we see that the drawings recommend 19" x 9" air wheels, but say that 24" x 4" or similar wheels may also be used. The 24" x 4" wheels would be the tall, skinny "motorcycle" wheels. As Greg mentioned, his wheels with 19" rims are about 25" tall when the tires are added. 21" rims typically produce a wheel that is about 27" diameter, when the tires get installed. Remember that the axle height is affected by the RADIUS of the wheels. A 25" diameter wheel will have an axle that is 12 1/2" off the ground, and a 27" wheel will have an axle that is only 1" higher (13 1/2"). Going back to drawing No. 1, we see that the dimensions provided for W&B indicate a recommended longeron height of 51" - based on using 24" x 4" wheels. So, in summary, the landing gear should work fine as drawn, with tall wheels. If you choose to use taller wheels, it won't make much difference, but you could adjust the geometry slightly to maintain the longeron height called for in the plans. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402359#402359 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dwg_no_3_lg_604.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dwg_no_1_lg_207.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wire spoke wheels size...
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 09, 2013
Thanks Bill... how many times have I looked at the plans and not registered those sizes? Kinda like looking for car keys that are on the kitchen table but all you focus on is the salt and pepper shakers.... Doap! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402360#402360 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new member in Cincinnati area
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com>
Date: Jun 09, 2013
Dave, I see your tag says you live in Pleasant Plain, OH. Well, I also live in Pleasant Plain and it's not that big of a town so we have got to be just a few miles apart. I will warn you in advance that I have a GN-1 project out of wood, but you are welcome to stop over anyway and we can talk airplane building. I will try to send you a PM through Matronics with contact info. -------- David Gallagher Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 250+ hours now Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402361#402361 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ash fuse gear block mounts... Just realized are 3/4
not 1&qu
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 09, 2013
For the data point, mine is 3/4 all the way, no strap across, WELL TESTED. However, mine doesn't have the beveling, the bolts all JUST fit... I rebuilt it just like it was and tested it again! Seems to be just fine. Seriously, I believe the biggest issue is getting things to fit properly so there's no movement. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402364#402364 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Ash fuse gear block mounts... Just realized are
3/4 not 1&qu
Date: Jun 09, 2013
The plans in the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual show the steel straps across the top of the cross-members. My understanding is that they are there to tie the left and right wing struts together, not the landing gear as the stress there is in compression while the lower strut fittings, indeed, the entire strut system, is in tension while in the air. Clif > > Thanks guys... I was thinking that I might lay a .090 steel strap over the > top of the ash and use plenty of bolts to sandich the ash block, but it > sounds like some of yu are using 3/4" ash, so maybe it is a moot point. I > just needed to have some input as to whether I was in the "safe" zone. I > plan to make the bottom steel straps all the way across the belly as well, > as I can see hard landings potentially an issue with my skill set :? > > Thanks for the feedback. > > Mark > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402354#402354 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 09, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: new member in Cincinnati area
Welcome Dave!- I am up here north of Columbus OH about 25 miles in Center burg.- I live here on Chapman Memorial Field 6CM, if you are up in this a rea let me know and you are welcome to stop by.- My Dad's Pietenpol is he re in my hangar, as well as a Baby Lakes biplane I am in the finishing stag es before final assembly, and a Jungster 1 biplane I hope to have done befo re Christmas 2099. - Shad --- On Sun, 6/9/13, stearmandriver wrote: From: stearmandriver <pwr2800(at)gmail.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area Date: Sunday, June 9, 2013, 9:11 AM Hello, I have recently acquired the bug to build a steel tube Pietenpol.- Spendi ng my entire life in the air, in hangers and barns has left me with a love of craftsmanship. I am not ready to start actually building but more in the research stage. if anyone in the Cincinnati area will be in their shop or hanger this week, I would love to stop by and have a look at your project o r completed aircraft. Thanks in advance for patience offered to a Pietenpol scrod... Best Regards, Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402320#402320 le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wire spoke wheels size...
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 09, 2013
Okay. Back at the hangar today and measured the spoked rims that I posted pix of a day or two ago. What I have are Takasago EXCEL aluminum rims with IRC tires that are 3.50-16, 4 ply rating. There are disk brakes fitted that appear to be Airheart 150x1 hydraulics. From the hangar floor to the top of the inflated tire is about 23-1/4". Spoked wheels and narrow tires with brakes look like a really sweet combination, although I've never flown them. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402368#402368 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: Wire spoke wheels size...
Date: Jun 10, 2013
21" x 3.00" is the tire size. The rim is 21" in diameter, and 3" wide. Outside diameter of the tire is 27", as Bill Church said. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 6:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire spoke wheels size... > Anything else you need to know? Uh yeah Jack: How can I get me a pair of them nice lookin' hubs! :) Thanks for the input. I am assuming a 21" rim is not the finished size with tire? Would those be 3" wide or 3" high? I am not familiar with tires yet (kind ignorant actually... can you tell by the question?) My plan is to use Spoked Tires with "Improved" gear, and it would seem that if I did, I would raise the top of the longerons when level by much more than the design intended. Since the bigger wheels are taller than the wide tires of the improved gear, it wold seem that using the wire spoked on the improved gear would require a slight modification in the height of the gear legs, Right? Or is this overthinking things, and it is not that critical? Many thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402355#402355 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new member in Cincinnati area
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Jun 10, 2013
Shad, do you still have the nose bowl mold? I am thinking of a new nose to b e less Blount. My fuse is 26 inches wide so don't know if that would work. C heers Gardiner Sent from my iPad On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:35 AM, shad bell wrote: > > Welcome Dave! I am up here north of Columbus OH about 25 miles in Centerb urg. I live here on Chapman Memorial Field 6CM, if you are up in this area l et me know and you are welcome to stop by. My Dad's Pietenpol is here in my hangar, as well as a Baby Lakes biplane I am in the finishing stages before final assembly, and a Jungster 1 biplane I hope to have done before Christm as 2099. > > Shad > > --- On Sun, 6/9/13, stearmandriver wrote: > > From: stearmandriver <pwr2800(at)gmail.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Sunday, June 9, 2013, 9:11 AM > > > Hello, > > I have recently acquired the bug to build a steel tube Pietenpol. Spendin g my entire life in the air, in hangers and barns has left me with a love of craftsmanship. I am not ready to start actually building but more in the re search stage. if anyone in the Cincinnati area will be in their shop or hang er this week, I would love to stop by and have a look at your project or com pleted aircraft. > > Thanks in advance for patience offered to a Pietenpol scrod... > > Best Regards, > > Dave > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402320#40232= - T he Pietenpol-List Email Forum -http://www.matronics.com/Na====== ================= > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 10, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: new member in Cincinnati area
Kurt Shipman had it last, It would not be too hard to carve a new one thoug h.- I can send you some measurements if you like. - Shad --- On Mon, 6/10/13, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote: From: airlion2(at)gmail.com <airlion2(at)gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 8:16 AM Shad, do you still have the nose bowl mold? I am thinking of a new nose to be less Blount. My fuse is 26 inches wide so don't know if that would work. Cheers Gardiner Sent from my iPad On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:35 AM, shad bell wrote: Welcome Dave!- I am up here north of Columbus OH about 25 miles in Center burg.- I live here on Chapman Memorial Field 6CM, if you are up in this a rea let me know and you are welcome to stop by.- My Dad's Pietenpol is he re in my hangar, as well as a Baby Lakes biplane I am in the finishing stag es before final assembly, and a Jungster 1 biplane I hope to have done befo re Christmas 2099. - Shad --- On Sun, 6/9/13, stearmandriver wrote: From: stearmandriver <pwr2800(at)gmail.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area Date: Sunday, June 9, 2013, 9:11 AM Hello, I have recently acquired the bug to build a steel tube Pietenpol.- Spendi ng my entire life in the air, in hangers and barns has left me with a love of craftsmanship. I am not ready to start actually building but more in the research stage. if anyone in the Cincinnati area will be in their shop or hanger this week, I would love to stop by and have a look at your project o r completed aircraft. Thanks in advance for patience offered to a Pietenpol scrod... Best Regards, Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402320#40232=- - - - - - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Na= ====================== ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 10, 2013
Subject: Re: new member in Cincinnati area
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Shad, I would appreciate those measurements, too. I've admired the nose bowl on your Dad's Piet, as well as Kurt's, for several years now. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:10 AM, shad bell wrote: > Kurt Shipman had it last, It would not be too hard to carve a new one > though. I can send you some measurements if you like. > > Shad > > --- On *Mon, 6/10/13, airlion2(at)gmail.com * wrote: > > > From: airlion2(at)gmail.com <airlion2(at)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area > To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" > Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 8:16 AM > > Shad, do you still have the nose bowl mold? I am thinking of a new nose > to be less Blount. My fuse is 26 inches wide so don't know if that would > work. Cheers Gardiner > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:35 AM, shad bell http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aviatorbell@yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > Welcome Dave! I am up here north of Columbus OH about 25 miles in > Centerburg. I live here on Chapman Memorial Field 6CM, if you are up in > this area let me know and you are welcome to stop by. My Dad's Pietenpol > is here in my hangar, as well as a Baby Lakes biplane I am in the finishing > stages before final assembly, and a Jungster 1 biplane I hope to have done > before Christmas 2099. > > Shad > > --- On *Sun, 6/9/13, stearmandriver http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pwr2800@gmail.com> > >* wrote: > > > From: stearmandriver <pwr2800@gmail.com<http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pwr2800@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Date: Sunday, June 9, 2013, 9:11 AM > > > > > Hello, > > I have recently acquired the bug to build a steel tube Pietenpol. > Spending my entire life in the air, in hangers and barns has left me with a > love of craftsmanship. I am not ready to start actually building but more > in the research stage. if anyone in the Cincinnati area will be in their > shop or hanger this week, I would love to stop by and have a look at your > project or completed aircraft. > > Thanks in advance for patience offered to a Pietenpol scrod... > > Best Regards, > > Dave > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402320#40232= - The > Pietenpol-List Email Forum - > http://www.matronics.com/Na======================= > > > <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402320#402320> > > * > > ========= > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ==========cs.com > ==========matronics.com/contribution > ========= > * > > * > > " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: new member in Cincinnati area
Date: Jun 10, 2013
Shad, I would also be interested in the measurements. Brian SLC-UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area Shad, I would appreciate those measurements, too. I've admired the nose bowl on your Dad's Piet, as well as Kurt's, for several years now. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:10 AM, shad bell wrote: Kurt Shipman had it last, It would not be too hard to carve a new one though. I can send you some measurements if you like. Shad --- On Mon, 6/10/13, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote: From: airlion2(at)gmail.com <airlion2(at)gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 8:16 AM Shad, do you still have the nose bowl mold? I am thinking of a new nose to be less Blount. My fuse is 26 inches wide so don't know if that would work. Cheers Gardiner Sent from my iPad On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:35 AM, shad bell http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aviatorbell@yahoo.com> > wrote: Welcome Dave! I am up here north of Columbus OH about 25 miles in Centerburg. I live here on Chapman Memorial Field 6CM, if you are up in this area let me know and you are welcome to stop by. My Dad's Pietenpol is here in my hangar, as well as a Baby Lakes biplane I am in the finishing stages before final assembly, and a Jungster 1 biplane I hope to have done before Christmas 2099. Shad --- On Sun, 6/9/13, stearmandriver http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pwr2800@gmail.com> > wrote: From: stearmandriver <pwr2800(at)gmail.com <http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pwr2800@gmail.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com <http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics . com> Date: Sunday, June 9, 2013, 9:11 AM http://us.mc1612.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pwr2800@gmail.com> > Hello, I have recently acquired the bug to build a steel tube Pietenpol. Spending my entire life in the air, in hangers and barns has left me with a love of craftsmanship. I am not ready to start actually building but more in the research stage. if anyone in the Cincinnati area will be in their shop or hanger this week, I would love to stop by and have a look at your project or completed aircraft. Thanks in advance for patience offered to a Pietenpol scrod... Best Regards, Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402320#40232 - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Na================ ======= <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402320#402320> ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new member in Cincinnati area
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Jun 10, 2013
Thanks shad, do you. Have Kurt's email and phone? Sent from my iPad On Jun 10, 2013, at 10:10 AM, shad bell wrote: > > Kurt Shipman had it last, It would not be too hard to carve a new one thou gh. I can send you some measurements if you like. > > Shad > > --- On Mon, 6/10/13, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote: > > From: airlion2(at)gmail.com <airlion2(at)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area > To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" > Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 8:16 AM > > Shad, do you still have the nose bowl mold? I am thinking of a new nose to be less Blount. My fuse is 26 inches wide so don't know if that would work. Cheers Gardiner > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:35 AM, shad bell wrote: > >> >> Welcome Dave! I am up here north of Columbus OH about 25 miles in Center burg. I live here on Chapman Memorial Field 6CM, if you are up in this area let me know and you are welcome to stop by. My Dad's Pietenpol is here in m y hangar, as well as a Baby Lakes biplane I am in the finishing stages befor e final assembly, and a Jungster 1 biplane I hope to have done before Christ mas 2099. >> >> Shad >> >> --- On Sun, 6/9/13, stearmandriver wrote: >> >> From: stearmandriver <pwr2800(at)gmail.com> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Date: Sunday, June 9, 2013, 9:11 AM >> > >> >> Hello, >> >> I have recently acquired the bug to build a steel tube Pietenpol. Spendi ng my entire life in the air, in hangers and barns has left me with a love o f craftsmanship. I am not ready to start actually building but more in the r esearch stage. if anyone in the Cincinnati area will be in their shop or han ger this week, I would love to stop by and have a look at your project or co mpleted aircraft. >> >> Thanks in advance for patience offered to a Pietenpol scrod... >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402320#40232= - T he Pietenpol-List Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Na====== ================= >> >> >> >> >> ========= >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========= >> cs.com >> ========= >> matronics.com/contribution >> ========= >> > > > " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pieten pol-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new member in Cincinnati area
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 10, 2013
Shad, You are getting a bunch of requests - myself included. Is it possible to post the information on the Forum, so everyone can have it as well as it going into the archives. Thanks! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402402#402402 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: riblett attack
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 10, 2013
The angle you are concerned about does not effect my Piet , I have tried my clipped wing 612 since 2004, with 1 inch longer front cabanes as well as the equal length . The biggest Item that was noticed is the landing speed is reduced about 3 MPH when I had the longer cabanes forward. I never tested the top speed. I do not fly as much as, time catches up with the years. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402403#402403 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: riblett attack
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 10, 2013
Hey Lowell: Was there any noticeable difference in the back pressure you held on the stick at cruise speed when you added incidence? Thanks for all that you have shared on this over the years! You've been a great resource for many of us! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402405#402405 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new member in Cincinnati area
From: Lion Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 10, 2013
I. Would appreciate it shad if you would send me the measurents. I don't kn ow what it takes to form a cowl as I have never worked with this medium bef ore. I hope I can talk with you more about this in brodhead. Might be a go od subject to talk about on Saturday Cheers , Gardiner Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2013, at 10:10 AM, shad bell wrote: > > Kurt Shipman had it last, It would not be too hard to carve a new one thou gh. I can send you some measurements if you like. > > Shad > > --- On Mon, 6/10/13, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote: > > From: airlion2(at)gmail.com <airlion2(at)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area > To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" > Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 8:16 AM > > Shad, do you still have the nose bowl mold? I am thinking of a new nose to be less Blount. My fuse is 26 inches wide so don't know if that would work. Cheers Gardiner > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:35 AM, shad bell wrote: > >> >> Welcome Dave! I am up here north of Columbus OH about 25 miles in Center burg. I live here on Chapman Memorial Field 6CM, if you are up in this area let me know and you are welcome to stop by. My Dad's Pietenpol is here in m y hangar, as well as a Baby Lakes biplane I am in the finishing stages befor e final assembly, and a Jungster 1 biplane I hope to have done before Christ mas 2099. >> >> Shad >> >> --- On Sun, 6/9/13, stearmandriver wrote: >> >> From: stearmandriver <pwr2800(at)gmail.com> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Date: Sunday, June 9, 2013, 9:11 AM >> > >> >> Hello, >> >> I have recently acquired the bug to build a steel tube Pietenpol. Spendi ng my entire life in the air, in hangers and barns has left me with a love o f craftsmanship. I am not ready to start actually building but more in the r esearch stage. if anyone in the Cincinnati area will be in their shop or han ger this week, I would love to stop by and have a look at your project or co mpleted aircraft. >> >> Thanks in advance for patience offered to a Pietenpol scrod... >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402320#40232= - T he Pietenpol-List Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Na====== ================= >> >> >> >> >> ========= >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========= >> cs.com >> ========= >> matronics.com/contribution >> ========= >> > > > " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pieten pol-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 10, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: new member in Cincinnati area
I wont be making Brodhead this year but I will try to get you the measureme nts as soon as I can, not much to it, just carve a foam block to shape and smooth it out, coat it so the resin won't eat the foam and lay the fibergla ss on.- After that just flat wrap the aluminum for the rest of the cowlin g.- Basically that is the short winded version of the process. - Shad --- On Mon, 6/10/13, Lion Mason wrote: From: Lion Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 1:29 PM I. Would appreciate -it shad if you would send me the measurents. I don't know what it takes to form a cowl as I have never worked -with this medi um before. -I hope I can talk with you more about this in brodhead. -Mi ght be a good subject -to talk about on Saturday Cheers , -Gardiner Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2013, at 10:10 AM, shad bell wrote: Kurt Shipman had it last, It would not be too hard to carve a new one thoug h.- I can send you some measurements if you like. - Shad --- On Mon, 6/10/13, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote: From: airlion2(at)gmail.com <airlion2(at)gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 8:16 AM Shad, do you still have the nose bowl mold? I am thinking of a new nose to be less Blount. My fuse is 26 inches wide so don't know if that would work. Cheers Gardiner Sent from my iPad On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:35 AM, shad bell wrote: Welcome Dave!- I am up here north of Columbus OH about 25 miles in Center burg.- I live here on Chapman Memorial Field 6CM, if you are up in this a rea let me know and you are welcome to stop by.- My Dad's Pietenpol is he re in my hangar, as well as a Baby Lakes biplane I am in the finishing stag es before final assembly, and a Jungster 1 biplane I hope to have done befo re Christmas 2099. - Shad --- On Sun, 6/9/13, stearmandriver wrote: From: stearmandriver <pwr2800(at)gmail.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area Date: Sunday, June 9, 2013, 9:11 AM Hello, I have recently acquired the bug to build a steel tube Pietenpol.- Spendi ng my entire life in the air, in hangers and barns has left me with a love of craftsmanship. I am not ready to start actually building but more in the research stage. if anyone in the Cincinnati area will be in their shop or hanger this week, I would love to stop by and have a look at your project o r completed aircraft. Thanks in advance for patience offered to a Pietenpol scrod... Best Regards, Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402320#40232=- - - - - - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Na= ====================== ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Issue Posting TEST
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 10, 2013
Mike; the test seems to have come through with a new subject (thread) line. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402412#402412 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jun 10, 2013
Subject: an inexpensive headset offer from Wicks
Just got this in my in-box for those of you looking for a reasonably priced headset. Mike C. [cid:image001.png(at)01CE65F0.4DBEA820] http://aircraftproducts.wicksaircraft.com/item/all-categories/-supplies-hea dsets-supplies-eleonice-corp-headsets/fs-150?plpver=10&categid=100&prod id=4229&origin=keyword&utm_source=Headsets&utm_campaign=Steel+Box&u tm_medium=email ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new member in Cincinnati area
From: "stearmandriver" <pwr2800(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 10, 2013
Thanks Dave and Shad for the welcome posts! Shad, I get to Columbus every now and again and look forward to stopping by. Dave, as far as you're concerned, being 1 3/4 miles away may end up being a curse! Just kidding, I respect privacy! I am looking forward to meeting you in the very near future and seeing your project. Best Regards, Dave Hughes Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402439#402439 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Issue Posting TEST
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 10, 2013
Nope. That didn't work either. BC That was a joke, son... I said a joke... (to be read in Foghorn Leghorn's voice) > It appears I can't post a new topic to the list. This is actually a "reply" to an existing post with the subject changed and the body of the original removed. Just testing to see if this goes through. > > Michael Perez Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402451#402451 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Center Section Covering
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2013
Hello, I am covering the center section with a plywood foil of 3mm, a little fixed piece in the leading edge, and a full one for the rest. I plan to attach it with screws over the rib separated 4 inchs as you can see in the photo. I plan just barnish it. the other side is the same, but instead of screwa it is attached with epoxy. I ask, this is the way to go?. thank you -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402491#402491 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc05195_803.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Center Section Covering
Date: Jun 11, 2013
Hi Mario, It's your decision. Most builders epoxy plywood to the bottom for two reasons: 1) To keep the center section square; 2) To act as a floor for either a fuel tank or baggage. In either case, most are merely covered with an aluminum top, fastened in a variety of methods. If you don't wish to put anything in your center section, there is no reason why you couldn't add a center rib and cover same as the wings. Other than a different look and a little weight, I'm not sure what you gain with a plywood top...but it won't hurt anything, either. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Center Section Covering --> Hello, I am covering the center section with a plywood foil of 3mm, a little fixed piece in the leading edge, and a full one for the rest. I plan to attach it with screws over the rib separated 4 inchs as you can see in the photo. I plan just barnish it. the other side is the same, but instead of screwa it is attached with epoxy. I ask, this is the way to go?. thank you -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402491#402491 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc05195_803.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: Jun 11, 2013
C-GGLU is 72" C/L on wheels & 49" from ground to top longeron. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402504#402504 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new member in Cincinnati area
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Jun 11, 2013
Shad, do you have Kurt's phone and email address? gardiner Sent from my iPad On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:45 PM, shad bell wrote: > > I wont be making Brodhead this year but I will try to get you the measurem ents as soon as I can, not much to it, just carve a foam block to shape and s mooth it out, coat it so the resin won't eat the foam and lay the fiberglass on. After that just flat wrap the aluminumdo you have Kurt's p for the res t of the cowling. Basically that is the short winded version of the process . > > Shad > > --- On Mon, 6/10/13, Lion Mason wrote: > > From: Lion Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area > To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" > Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 1:29 PM > > I. Would appreciate it shad if you would send me the measurents. I don't k now what it takes to form a cowl as I have never worked with this medium be fore. I hope I can talk with you more about this in brodhead. Might be a g ood subject to talk about on Saturday > Cheers , Gardiner > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 10, 2013, at 10:10 AM, shad bell wrote: > >> >> Kurt Shipman had it last, It would not be too hard to carve a new one tho ugh. I can send you some measurements if you like. >> >> Shad >> >> --- On Mon, 6/10/13, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote: >> >> From: airlion2(at)gmail.com <airlion2(at)gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area >> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" >> Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 8:16 AM >> >> Shad, do you still have the nose bowl mold? I am thinking of a new nose t o be less Blount. My fuse is 26 inches wide so don't know if that would work . Cheers Gardiner >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:35 AM, shad bell wrote: >> >>> >>> Welcome Dave! I am up here north of Columbus OH about 25 miles in Cente rburg. I live here on Chapman Memorial Field 6CM, if you are up in this are a let me know and you are welcome to stop by. My Dad's Pietenpol is here in my hangar, as well as a Baby Lakes biplane I am in the finishing stages bef ore final assembly, and a Jungster 1 biplane I hope to have done before Chri stmas 2099. >>> >>> Shad >>> >>> --- On Sun, 6/9/13, stearmandriver wrote: >>> >>> From: stearmandriver <pwr2800(at)gmail.com> >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area >>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>> Date: Sunday, June 9, 2013, 9:11 AM >>> m> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have recently acquired the bug to build a steel tube Pietenpol. Spend ing my entire life in the air, in hangers and barns has left me with a love o f craftsmanship. I am not ready to start actually building but more in the r esearch stage. if anyone in the Cincinnati area will be in their shop or han ger this week, I would love to stop by and have a look at your project or co mpleted aircraft. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for patience offered to a Pietenpol scrod... >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402320#40232= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Na===== ================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========= >>> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> ========= >>> cs.com >>> ========= >>> matronics.com/contribution >>> ========= >>> >> >> >> " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piete npol-List >> et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com >> llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > npol-List > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 11, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: new member in Cincinnati area
No I do not, not sure if anyone else on here would have it. - Shad --- On Tue, 6/11/13, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote: From: airlion2(at)gmail.com <airlion2(at)gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2013, 11:56 AM Shad, -do you have Kurt's phone and email address? gardiner Sent from my iPad On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:45 PM, shad bell wrote: I wont be making Brodhead this year but I will try to get you the measureme nts as soon as I can, not much to it, just carve a foam block to shape and smooth it out, coat it so the resin won't eat the foam and lay the fibergla ss on.- After that just flat wrap the aluminumdo you have Kurt's p for th e rest of the cowling.- Basically that is the short winded version of the process. - Shad --- On Mon, 6/10/13, Lion Mason wrote: From: Lion Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 1:29 PM I. Would appreciate -it shad if you would send me the measurents. I don't know what it takes to form a cowl as I have never worked -with this medi um before. -I hope I can talk with you more about this in brodhead. -Mi ght be a good subject -to talk about on Saturday Cheers , -Gardiner Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2013, at 10:10 AM, shad bell wrote: Kurt Shipman had it last, It would not be too hard to carve a new one thoug h.- I can send you some measurements if you like. - Shad --- On Mon, 6/10/13, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote: From: airlion2(at)gmail.com <airlion2(at)gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 8:16 AM Shad, do you still have the nose bowl mold? I am thinking of a new nose to be less Blount. My fuse is 26 inches wide so don't know if that would work. Cheers Gardiner Sent from my iPad On Jun 10, 2013, at 12:35 AM, shad bell wrote: Welcome Dave!- I am up here north of Columbus OH about 25 miles in Center burg.- I live here on Chapman Memorial Field 6CM, if you are up in this a rea let me know and you are welcome to stop by.- My Dad's Pietenpol is he re in my hangar, as well as a Baby Lakes biplane I am in the finishing stag es before final assembly, and a Jungster 1 biplane I hope to have done befo re Christmas 2099. - Shad --- On Sun, 6/9/13, stearmandriver wrote: From: stearmandriver <pwr2800(at)gmail.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: new member in Cincinnati area Date: Sunday, June 9, 2013, 9:11 AM Hello, I have recently acquired the bug to build a steel tube Pietenpol.- Spendi ng my entire life in the air, in hangers and barns has left me with a love of craftsmanship. I am not ready to start actually building but more in the research stage. if anyone in the Cincinnati area will be in their shop or hanger this week, I would love to stop by and have a look at your project o r completed aircraft. Thanks in advance for patience offered to a Pietenpol scrod... Best Regards, Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402320#40232=- - - - - - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - http://www.matronics.com/Na= ====================== ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D npol-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2013
Subject: Re: Center Section Covering
Realy, I ask because I do not see any center section cover. I always thought plywood (or aluminium) is ok, but.. may be there is a reason why not. I am going to put a tank in it, so the middle of the areas is a little bit.... soft, that is why I ask, may be you do/put something inside, like add a curved section to keep it a little more rigid, or not, it could be unnecesary (I think is unnecesary, but I do not know) It's ok. thank you Mario Giacummo 2013/6/11 Gary Boothe > > Hi Mario, > > It's your decision. Most builders epoxy plywood to the bottom for two > reasons: 1) To keep the center section square; 2) To act as a floor for > either a fuel tank or baggage. In either case, most are merely covered with > an aluminum top, fastened in a variety of methods. If you don't wish to put > anything in your center section, there is no reason why you couldn't add a > center rib and cover same as the wings. > > Other than a different look and a little weight, I'm not sure what you gain > with a plywood top...but it won't hurt anything, either. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:14 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Center Section Covering > > --> > > Hello, > > I am covering the center section with a plywood foil of 3mm, a little fixed > piece in the leading edge, and a full one for the rest. I plan to attach it > with screws over the rib separated 4 inchs as you can see in the photo. I > plan just barnish it. the other side is the same, but instead of screwa it > is attached with epoxy. > I ask, this is the way to go?. > > thank you > > -------- > Mario Giacummo > Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 > Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402491#402491 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc05195_803.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Center Section Covering
Date: Jun 11, 2013
Mario, I have a plywood bottom and plan on an aluminum top. Jack Textor Des Moines, IA _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mario Giacummo Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Center Section Covering Realy, I ask because I do not see any center section cover. I always thought plywood (or aluminium) is ok, but.. may be there is a reason why not. I am going to put a tank in it, so the middle of the areas is a little bit.... soft, that is why I ask, may be you do/put something inside, like add a curved section to keep it a little more rigid, or not, it could be unnecesary (I think is unnecesary, but I do not know) It's ok. thank you Mario Giacummo 2013/6/11 Gary Boothe Hi Mario, It's your decision. Most builders epoxy plywood to the bottom for two reasons: 1) To keep the center section square; 2) To act as a floor for either a fuel tank or baggage. In either case, most are merely covered with an aluminum top, fastened in a variety of methods. If you don't wish to put anything in your center section, there is no reason why you couldn't add a center rib and cover same as the wings. Other than a different look and a little weight, I'm not sure what you gain with a plywood top...but it won't hurt anything, either. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Center Section Covering --> Hello, I am covering the center section with a plywood foil of 3mm, a little fixed piece in the leading edge, and a full one for the rest. I plan to attach it with screws over the rib separated 4 inchs as you can see in the photo. I plan just barnish it. the other side is the same, but instead of screwa it is attached with epoxy. I ask, this is the way to go?. thank you -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402491#402491 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc05195_803.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com/files/dsc05195_803.jpg> ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: WW2 Jeep Gauges
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2013
Hi Folks, For the Continental powered machines: Just like to pass along some courtesy info, incase someone building might be interested. If you like the older-style 270 deg sweep to your oil Temp/Press gauges w/out the clutter of wording written all over the face of the gauge, I found that the WW2 Jeeps have the perfect Temp/Press scale for small Continentals. Here is the Intel on where/how I got mine... www.kaiserwillies.com Oil Psi Item#A8190 $34 Oil Temp #A8188 $50 -------------------------- I needed a 90" Capillary line for my Temp Probe, so I mailed the gauge to: Jeff Sunzeri 981 Alder Street Hollister, CA 95023 jeffsunzeri(at)gmail.com Having new Capillary put on and calibrated to read accurately costed me $95 including shipping. Will attempt to attach short video inflight.. -------- L.Metzel KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 712TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402514#402514 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 11, 2013
Subject: Tippiness
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Guys, This past weekend, I was discussing the question of potential tippiness of parasol winged airplanes with a flying buddy of mine who happens to be a physicist at the University of Colorado. The question I posed was how could we estimate the location of the center of gravity in the vertical dimension, based on doing weight and balance calculations. Knowing that location would allow for precise estimates of the relative tippiness of different airplanes. He thought this would make a great homework question for his undergraduates. He sent me the solution, which I've attached for you. To do the math, you'll need to do weight and balance measurements with the fuselage in at least two different orientations. The easiest would be one while the plane rests on the landing gear and one with the tail elevated to make the top longeron level with the ground. Key here is that you'll need to measure the change in angle at the top longeron, using an angle finder that you can buy at any hardware store. After that you just need to plug values into a calculator that can take sines and cosines using the formula that is in the attached document. The one you want is the one marked (4). One more thing. I'd suggest loading the cockpits and fuel tank with normal weights that would be seen on takeoff or landing, as this will affect the vertical center of gravity just as surely as it will affect the longitudinal center of gravity in any standard weight and balance calculation. Cheers, Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Center Section Covering
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2013
thank you all, that's what I want to listen. regards. -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402516#402516 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2013
..couldn't get movie to load, but here's a fuzzy pic (idle power) from computer...as you can see, the gauges fit the standard 2 1/8 inch holes in the instrument panel. Taken before I added the tape markings for the limitations. -------- L.Metzel KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 712TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402517#402517 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/g_318.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: riblett attack
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2013
Any stick pressure, that I felt, I adjusted with a bungee fore or aft, Also I have a shaky right hand that needs more pressure than trying to keep Piet flying at a constant altitude. He who has passed that mid eighties knows what I am referring to. When the angle of incident is always referenced to the cord of the airfoil, the 612 on my wing, should be shorten on my front cabanes by 1/2 " to have a more balanced flight, but I adjust the air speed if stick pressure buggs me. If speed is required, lower the front cabane and burn more fuel I.E. with more RPM. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402520#402520 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2013
Kaiserwillys.com -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402527#402527 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Jun 11, 2013
You sure are dating yourself terry. I Am a lot older than you and I used to have a jeepster and a kaiser Frazier sedan. gardiner Sent from my iPad On Jun 11, 2013, at 5:39 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > Kaiserwillys.com > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402527#402527 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2013
Gardiner, I just look that old. :D -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402531#402531 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tippiness
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2013
Thanks for sharing this Ken! It will help me as I plan my gear build! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402539#402539 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges
Date: Jun 11, 2013
Are the gauges "mechanical", do they work without an electrical system? The reference in the catalogue to 12-24 volts refers to the lighting of the gauge only, right? Thanks, Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad On Jun 11, 2013, at 11:07 AM, "TriScout" wrote: > > ..couldn't get movie to load, but here's a fuzzy pic (idle power) from computer...as you can see, the gauges fit the standard 2 1/8 inch holes in the instrument panel. Taken before I added the tape markings for the limitations. > > -------- > L.Metzel > KLNC > A65-8 > N2308C > AN Hardware > Airframe 712TT > W72CK-42 Sensenich > Standard Factory GN-1 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402517#402517 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/g_318.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 11, 2013
Yes...they are mechanical gauges. The electrical reference must mean for lighting... Larry -------- L.Metzel KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 712TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402542#402542 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Tippiness
Date: Jun 12, 2013
Nicely done, Ken. I live on 'precise estimates!' J Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tippiness Guys, This past weekend, I was discussing the question of potential tippiness of parasol winged airplanes with a flying buddy of mine who happens to be a physicist at the University of Colorado. The question I posed was how could we estimate the location of the center of gravity in the vertical dimension, based on doing weight and balance calculations. Knowing that location would allow for precise estimates of the relative tippiness of different airplanes. He thought this would make a great homework question for his undergraduates. He sent me the solution, which I've attached for you. To do the math, you'll need to do weight and balance measurements with the fuselage in at least two different orientations. The easiest would be one while the plane rests on the landing gear and one with the tail elevated to make the top longeron level with the ground. Key here is that you'll need to measure the change in angle at the top longeron, using an angle finder that you can buy at any hardware store. After that you just need to plug values into a calculator that can take sines and cosines using the formula that is in the attached document. The one you want is the one marked (4). One more thing. I'd suggest loading the cockpits and fuel tank with normal weights that would be seen on takeoff or landing, as this will affect the vertical center of gravity just as surely as it will affect the longitudinal center of gravity in any standard weight and balance calculation. Cheers, Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Tippiness
Date: Jun 12, 2013
Nicely done, Ken. I live on 'precise estimates!' J Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tippiness Guys, This past weekend, I was discussing the question of potential tippiness of parasol winged airplanes with a flying buddy of mine who happens to be a physicist at the University of Colorado. The question I posed was how could we estimate the location of the center of gravity in the vertical dimension, based on doing weight and balance calculations. Knowing that location would allow for precise estimates of the relative tippiness of different airplanes. He thought this would make a great homework question for his undergraduates. He sent me the solution, which I've attached for you. To do the math, you'll need to do weight and balance measurements with the fuselage in at least two different orientations. The easiest would be one while the plane rests on the landing gear and one with the tail elevated to make the top longeron level with the ground. Key here is that you'll need to measure the change in angle at the top longeron, using an angle finder that you can buy at any hardware store. After that you just need to plug values into a calculator that can take sines and cosines using the formula that is in the attached document. The one you want is the one marked (4). One more thing. I'd suggest loading the cockpits and fuel tank with normal weights that would be seen on takeoff or landing, as this will affect the vertical center of gravity just as surely as it will affect the longitudinal center of gravity in any standard weight and balance calculation. Cheers, Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 12, 2013
[quote="gboothe"]Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere! My spar replace project got infinitely easier without glued ribs!! Gary, But maybe that spar wouldn't of broken if the ribs were glued to it??? Just saying..... -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402568#402568 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 12, 2013
Don't see how they would add any strength. They did not move, and they did not break. I don't know, but I think slapping 1,000 lbs of aircraft down on one spar was the culprit! ;-) Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:54 PM, "John Francis" wrote: > > [quote="gboothe"]Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere! My spar replace project got infinitely easier without glued ribs!! > > Gary, > > But maybe that spar wouldn't of broken if the ribs were glued to it??? > Just saying..... > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402568#402568 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 12, 2013
That came out a little harsh...sorry John! What I really mean to say is that, after completing and flying my plane, I am amazed by how little I know. If someone can explain how fastening the ribs to the spar will increase strength...I'm all ears! Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Don't see how they would add any strength. They did not move, and they did not break. I don't know, but I think slapping 1,000 lbs of aircraft down on one spar was the culprit! ;-) > > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:54 PM, "John Francis" wrote: > >> >> [quote="gboothe"]Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere! My spar replace project got infinitely easier without glued ribs!! >> >> Gary, >> >> But maybe that spar wouldn't of broken if the ribs were glued to it??? >> Just saying..... >> >> -------- >> John Francis >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402568#402568 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
From: Lion Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 12, 2013
I thought that's what rib lacing is for . Gardiner Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > That came out a little harsh...sorry John! > > What I really mean to say is that, after completing and flying my plane, I am amazed by how little I know. If someone can explain how fastening the ribs to the spar will increase strength...I'm all ears! > > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 12, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > >> >> Don't see how they would add any strength. They did not move, and they did not break. I don't know, but I think slapping 1,000 lbs of aircraft down on one spar was the culprit! ;-) >> >> Gary >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:54 PM, "John Francis" wrote: >> >>> >>> [quote="gboothe"]Once covered and stitched, those ribs ain't goin' nowhere! My spar replace project got infinitely easier without glued ribs!! >>> >>> Gary, >>> >>> But maybe that spar wouldn't of broken if the ribs were glued to it??? >>> Just saying..... >>> >>> -------- >>> John Francis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402568#402568 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 12, 2013
Gary, I really have no idea what I'm talking about. How's the rebuild going? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402572#402572 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 12, 2013
Slowly. We had just moved, and my wife thinks that un-packing is more important than fixing airplanes....haven't come up with a good argument! So far, just got the fabric off... Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2013, at 3:36 PM, "John Francis" wrote: > > Gary, I really have no idea what I'm talking about. How's the rebuild going? > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402572#402572 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tippiness
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 12, 2013
Ken, I have only briefly looked at your attachment. My question is this- based on the formulas you have provided, how will that influence/affect my build? I am familiar with the concept of a lateral CG when flying helicopters. What do I do to make this vertical CG a part of my project? I am just not sure I see the significance. Thanks for your help on this. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402583#402583 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tippiness
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 12, 2013
I was wondering at first too, but came up with this... I imagine nearly ALL our planes will have similar vert cg locations with respect to, say, the top longeron. However, the distance of the vert cg to the ground... is going to be quite different. I suspect what that will tell us is, you're best to keep the location of the vert CG near where it was originally. OR, if it's gonna be much higher, you might be better off with a stiffer than average suspension to help maintain control. I'm now starting to understand rigid gear like a Fly Baby. Probably makes it a bit tamer on the gear, not necessarily GETTING it on the gear. Seems EVERYTHING has its compromises. Quick caveat. MANY of our planes have the wing raised a bit. THAT is gonna change the vert cg really fast, which will affect ground handling. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402585#402585 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 12, 2013
Subject: Re: Tippiness
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Terry, The formulas may or may not be of use to you in building your plane. I was prompted to see if there was a way to identify the CG in the vertical dimension by the article on Pazmany's thoughts on landing gear design posted by Chris Tracy on June 6th (re-attached here). Maybe it would be more accurate to say that I was prompted by Gary's incident dragging a wing tip. One of the key variables in the design of landing gears is the location of the CG vertically. It affects both how far forward or aft to place the gear (especially on tail wheel airplanes) and how wide to make the wheel base. As all of us make decisions about where to locate fuel tanks (nose or center section or both), lengthening cabane struts, sticking to the wheel base called out in the original plans or widening the wheel base, extending the motor mount, etc., it is useful to be able to think through the implications of those decisions. Having the ability to run through different scenarios using the formula that I forwarded, along with the Pazmany formulas Chris provided, might lead to better decisions. Or it might allow for some diagnostics after the fact to figure out why a particular airplane behaved in a particular way. Personally, I enjoy stuff like this. For others, mileage may vary. Cheers, Ken On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 7:36 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> > > Ken, > > I have only briefly looked at your attachment. My question is this- based > on the formulas you have provided, how will that influence/affect my build? > > I am familiar with the concept of a lateral CG when flying helicopters. > What do I do to make this vertical CG a part of my project? I am just not > sure I see the significance. > > Thanks for your help on this. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402583#402583 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tippiness
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 12, 2013
Ken, Thanks for uploading the Forum paper about landing gear design. The last paragraph on page 1 gave me what I was looking for- "On a front view, the angle between vertical and a line from CG to point of wheel contact with ground should not be less than 25 degrees." That is what I was looking for. With so many differing dimensions of gear width that have been mentioned, I agree that some guidance needs to be published, and this article gives it. My question pertained to the usefulness of the information, and this article does put it to use. Thanks for bringing that out. I guess the Grumman engineers slept through the landing gear design class in college when they designed the gear on the F4F Wildcat! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402593#402593 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/f4f_4a_145.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 13, 2013
Weather forecast for Saturday looks really good. Should be a good day. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402615#402615 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/weather_115.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tippiness
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Jun 13, 2013
Ok: now is that the vertical CG or aircraft CG. Is that with the plane viewed from the front (when considering vertical CG), or viewed from the side ( when considering the plane CG) and if considering the plane CG is that with the plane leveled with the top longeron, or in the standard gear position with the tail wheel on the ground? As you can tell, I'm not and engineer, just an LAR (looks about right) person who most always follows the plans. In Kitplanes sometime back (in the Dawn Patrol section), they discussed landing gear position and concluded that moving the gear forward or backwards (can't remember which) on their WW1 planes. The results of the movement was dramatic! I am not sure this is a contribution! Thanks, Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:58 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > Ken, > > Thanks for uploading the Forum paper about landing gear design. > > The last paragraph on page 1 gave me what I was looking for- > > "On a front view, the angle between vertical and a line from CG to point of wheel contact with ground should not be less than 25 degrees." > > That is what I was looking for. With so many differing dimensions of gear width that have been mentioned, I agree that some guidance needs to be published, and this article gives it. My question pertained to the usefulness of the information, and this article does put it to use. Thanks for bringing that out. > > I guess the Grumman engineers slept through the landing gear design class in college when they designed the gear on the F4F Wildcat! > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402593#402593 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/f4f_4a_145.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 13, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Champion C-26 Plugs
Crew, I have acquired (8) C-26 plugs and am curious how these compare to so me other older plugs, such as the C-27, as well as the newer "M" type plugs . These will be used on my A-65-8...any concerns?=0A=0A-=0AMichael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Tippiness
Date: Jun 13, 2013
Ray - That is as viewed from the front, which would affect 'tippiness.' Ken's brainiacs went on to consider that the vertical cg changes from tail up to tail down....very clever... I'm with you. LAR, and I knew my gear looked narrow! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tippiness --> Ok: now is that the vertical CG or aircraft CG. Is that with the plane viewed from the front (when considering vertical CG), or viewed from the side ( when considering the plane CG) and if considering the plane CG is that with the plane leveled with the top longeron, or in the standard gear position with the tail wheel on the ground? As you can tell, I'm not and engineer, just an LAR (looks about right) person who most always follows the plans. In Kitplanes sometime back (in the Dawn Patrol section), they discussed landing gear position and concluded that moving the gear forward or backwards (can't remember which) on their WW1 planes. The results of the movement was dramatic! I am not sure this is a contribution! Thanks, Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:58 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > --> > > Ken, > > Thanks for uploading the Forum paper about landing gear design. > > The last paragraph on page 1 gave me what I was looking for- > > "On a front view, the angle between vertical and a line from CG to point of wheel contact with ground should not be less than 25 degrees." > > That is what I was looking for. With so many differing dimensions of gear width that have been mentioned, I agree that some guidance needs to be published, and this article gives it. My question pertained to the usefulness of the information, and this article does put it to use. Thanks for bringing that out. > > I guess the Grumman engineers slept through the landing gear design class in college when they designed the gear on the F4F Wildcat! > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402593#402593 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/f4f_4a_145.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 13, 2013
Subject: Re: Tippiness
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Ray, The way to think about this is that there is only one Center of Gravity (CG). It is a single point where all of the mass of the airplane is centered. Usually, we are concerned about where it is in the longitudinal orientation, i.e., viewed from the side of the airplane to see how far forward or back the CG is. That is how we determine whether the CG is in front of the center of lift. If it s, then an airplane is considered stable in the sense that when the wing is stalled, releasing the controls will cause the nose to fall, speed to increase, and a return to the wing producing lift. If the CG is behind the center of lift, very bad things can and will happen when the airplane stalls and even before that point if the distance between the two is very great. Looking from the front of the airplane, you can see whether the CG is located left or right of the prop spinner (on a single engine airplane). This is the lateral dimension of the CG. This dimension determines whether there is more weight on one wing than the other. If you've flown airplanes with wing tanks, you'll recognize this as a trim issue. Draining more fuel from one wing than the other forces you to fly with constant aileron inputs to try to raise the heavy wing. Cessna tries to get around this by letting you drain from both tanks simultaneously. Piper requires you to select one tank at a time. I've owned Pipers for the past 22 years, so the aileron thing is something I take for granted, sort of like holding rudder on climb out. You can see the vertical dimension of the CG from either the side or the front. Basically, you are looking to see how far above the bottom of the wheels the CG is located. When viewed in the vertical dimension, the CG determines tippiness. For the moment, however, consider its location when looking at the front of the airplane. If you compare two airplanes, one with a wide wheel base and one with a narrow wheel base but CGs in the same location vertically, the first will be less tippy than the second. Or put differently, if you compare two airplanes with the same wheel base but one with a low CG and the other with a high CG, the first will again be less tippy than the second. On my airplane, I've done two things that will make it more tippy. One, I have a center section fuel tank capable of holding 11 gallons. That is a lot of weight given the length of the lever arm from the CG (viewed vertically). Two, making this problem worse, I extended the cabane struts by just over 2 inches, increasing the lever arm even more. To compensate, I increased the wheel base by several inches. My wheel base is similar to Jack's at approximately 69 inches. I hope this helps, Ken On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Ray - That is as viewed from the front, which would affect 'tippiness.' > Ken's brainiacs went on to consider that the vertical cg changes from tail > up to tail down....very clever... > > I'm with you. LAR, and I knew my gear looked narrow! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:00 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tippiness > > --> > > Ok: now is that the vertical CG or aircraft CG. Is that with the plane > viewed from the front (when considering vertical CG), or viewed from the > side ( when considering the plane CG) and if considering the plane CG is > that with the plane leveled with the top longeron, or in the standard gear > position with the tail wheel on the ground? As you can tell, I'm not and > engineer, just an LAR (looks about right) person who most always follows > the > plans. > > In Kitplanes sometime back (in the Dawn Patrol section), they discussed > landing gear position and concluded that moving the gear forward or > backwards (can't remember which) on their WW1 planes. The results of the > movement was dramatic! > > I am not sure this is a contribution! > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > SkyScout > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:58 PM, "jarheadpilot82" > > wrote: > > > --> > > > > Ken, > > > > Thanks for uploading the Forum paper about landing gear design. > > > > The last paragraph on page 1 gave me what I was looking for- > > > > "On a front view, the angle between vertical and a line from CG to point > of wheel contact with ground should not be less than 25 degrees." > > > > That is what I was looking for. With so many differing dimensions of gear > width that have been mentioned, I agree that some guidance needs to be > published, and this article gives it. My question pertained to the > usefulness of the information, and this article does put it to use. Thanks > for bringing that out. > > > > I guess the Grumman engineers slept through the landing gear design class > in college when they designed the gear on the F4F Wildcat! > > > > -------- > > Semper Fi, > > > > Terry Hand > > Athens, GA > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402593#402593 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/f4f_4a_145.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tippiness
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Jun 13, 2013
Thanks, Gary. After sending my comment, I realized that using the plane's CG ( with tail up, or tail down) would not matter if measuring the 25 degree angle for the foot print to the plane's CG as viewed from the side. Now, what the hell was I trying to say? Thanks, Ray Krause Just a SkyScout builder Sent from my iPad On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:25 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Ray - That is as viewed from the front, which would affect 'tippiness.' > Ken's brainiacs went on to consider that the vertical cg changes from tail > up to tail down....very clever... > > I'm with you. LAR, and I knew my gear looked narrow! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:00 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tippiness > > --> > > Ok: now is that the vertical CG or aircraft CG. Is that with the plane > viewed from the front (when considering vertical CG), or viewed from the > side ( when considering the plane CG) and if considering the plane CG is > that with the plane leveled with the top longeron, or in the standard gear > position with the tail wheel on the ground? As you can tell, I'm not and > engineer, just an LAR (looks about right) person who most always follows the > plans. > > In Kitplanes sometime back (in the Dawn Patrol section), they discussed > landing gear position and concluded that moving the gear forward or > backwards (can't remember which) on their WW1 planes. The results of the > movement was dramatic! > > I am not sure this is a contribution! > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > SkyScout > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:58 PM, "jarheadpilot82" > wrote: > >> --> >> >> Ken, >> >> Thanks for uploading the Forum paper about landing gear design. >> >> The last paragraph on page 1 gave me what I was looking for- >> >> "On a front view, the angle between vertical and a line from CG to point > of wheel contact with ground should not be less than 25 degrees." >> >> That is what I was looking for. With so many differing dimensions of gear > width that have been mentioned, I agree that some guidance needs to be > published, and this article gives it. My question pertained to the > usefulness of the information, and this article does put it to use. Thanks > for bringing that out. >> >> I guess the Grumman engineers slept through the landing gear design class > in college when they designed the gear on the F4F Wildcat! >> >> -------- >> Semper Fi, >> >> Terry Hand >> Athens, GA >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402593#402593 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/f4f_4a_145.jpg > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 13, 2013
Aluminum stamped ribs have a flange that you nail through to hold the rib in-place on the wood spar. No glue. One can do the same with a wood rib to wood spar. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402642#402642 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Tippiness
Date: Jun 13, 2013
Great explanation! Even I can understand that! You sound like many of my gr aduate school profs! Nice that you take the time to "explane" it to those of us without the engineering degrees. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Jun 13, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > Ray, > > The way to think about this is that there is only one Center of Gravity (C G). It is a single point where all of the mass of the airplane is centered. > > Usually, we are concerned about where it is in the longitudinal orientatio n, i.e., viewed from the side of the airplane to see how far forward or back the CG is. That is how we determine whether the CG is in front of the cente r of lift. If it s, then an airplane is considered stable in the sense that when the wing is stalled, releasing the controls will cause the nose to fal l, speed to increase, and a return to the wing producing lift. If the CG is b ehind the center of lift, very bad things can and will happen when the airpl ane stalls and even before that point if the distance between the two is ver y great. > > Looking from the front of the airplane, you can see whether the CG is loca ted left or right of the prop spinner (on a single engine airplane). This i s the lateral dimension of the CG. This dimension determines whether there i s more weight on one wing than the other. If you've flown airplanes with wi ng tanks, you'll recognize this as a trim issue. Draining more fuel from on e wing than the other forces you to fly with constant aileron inputs to try t o raise the heavy wing. Cessna tries to get around this by letting you dra in from both tanks simultaneously. Piper requires you to select one tank at a time. I've owned Pipers for the past 22 years, so the aileron thing is so mething I take for granted, sort of like holding rudder on climb out. > > You can see the vertical dimension of the CG from either the side or the f ront. Basically, you are looking to see how far above the bottom of the whe els the CG is located. When viewed in the vertical dimension, the CG determ ines tippiness. For the moment, however, consider its location when looking at the front of the airplane. If you compare two airplanes, one with a wide wheel base and one with a narrow wheel base but CGs in the same location ve rtically, the first will be less tippy than the second. Or put differently, if you compare two airplanes with the same wheel base but one with a low CG and the other with a high CG, the first will again be less tippy than the s econd. > > On my airplane, I've done two things that will make it more tippy. One, I have a center section fuel tank capable of holding 11 gallons. That is a lo t of weight given the length of the lever arm from the CG (viewed vertically ). Two, making this problem worse, I extended the cabane struts by just ove r 2 inches, increasing the lever arm even more. To compensate, I increased t he wheel base by several inches. My wheel base is similar to Jack's at appro ximately 69 inches. > > I hope this helps, Ken > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Gary Boothe wrote : > >> >> Ray - That is as viewed from the front, which would affect 'tippiness.' >> Ken's brainiacs went on to consider that the vertical cg changes from tai l >> up to tail down....very clever... >> >> I'm with you. LAR, and I knew my gear looked narrow! >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Kraus e >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:00 AM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tippiness >> >> --> >> >> Ok: now is that the vertical CG or aircraft CG. Is that with the plane >> viewed from the front (when considering vertical CG), or viewed from the >> side ( when considering the plane CG) and if considering the plane CG is >> that with the plane leveled with the top longeron, or in the standard gea r >> position with the tail wheel on the ground? As you can tell, I'm not and >> engineer, just an LAR (looks about right) person who most always follows t he >> plans. >> >> In Kitplanes sometime back (in the Dawn Patrol section), they discussed >> landing gear position and concluded that moving the gear forward or >> backwards (can't remember which) on their WW1 planes. The results of the >> movement was dramatic! >> >> I am not sure this is a contribution! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> SkyScout >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:58 PM, "jarheadpilot82" >> wrote: >> >> > --> >> > >> > Ken, >> > >> > Thanks for uploading the Forum paper about landing gear design. >> > >> > The last paragraph on page 1 gave me what I was looking for- >> > >> > "On a front view, the angle between vertical and a line from CG to poin t >> of wheel contact with ground should not be less than 25 degrees." >> > >> > That is what I was looking for. With so many differing dimensions of ge ar >> width that have been mentioned, I agree that some guidance needs to be >> published, and this article gives it. My question pertained to the >> usefulness of the information, and this article does put it to use. Thank s >> for bringing that out. >> > >> > I guess the Grumman engineers slept through the landing gear design cla ss >> in college when they designed the gear on the F4F Wildcat! >> > >> > -------- >> > Semper Fi, >> > >> > Terry Hand >> > Athens, GA >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402593#402593 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Attachments: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/f4f_4a_145.jpg >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Weber <ransfly(at)aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol brakes
Date: Jun 13, 2013
Hi all, I have been a lurker on the list for a few weeks. Our EAA chapter has made a commitment to help one of our members-an 86 year old gentleman who has been working on his Piet for 19 years-to help him finish up his Piet and get it flying. He is building from the "Original Bernie Pietenpol" plans. He has mechanical brakes on the wheels, but no brake pedals. Hoping not to re-invent the wheel, I was hoping that someone could share their experiences to help out. Thank you in advance. Sincerely John Weber(Leesburg, Fl). ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol brakes
Date: Jun 13, 2013
John, Glad to hear your chapter has taken on that challenge! There are a myriad of solutions to brake questions. You can see many of those at www.westcoastpiet.com, which is a collection of photos of Pietenpol projects from around the world. There you will also see mine, which are simply heel brakes modeled after the T-crafts...all parts home made. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Weber Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol brakes Hi all, I have been a lurker on the list for a few weeks. Our EAA chapter has made a commitment to help one of our members-an 86 year old gentleman who has been working on his Piet for 19 years-to help him finish up his Piet and get it flying. He is building from the "Original Bernie Pietenpol" plans. He has mechanical brakes on the wheels, but no brake pedals. Hoping not to re-invent the wheel, I was hoping that someone could share their experiences to help out. Thank you in advance. Sincerely John Weber(Leesburg, Fl). ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol brakes
From: John Weber <ransfly(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 13, 2013
Thanks for the quick reply Gary, I have already gotten several ideas from the pictures and have sent them on to the gang working on the Piet. John On Jun 13, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > John, > > Glad to hear your chapter has taken on that challenge! > > There are a myriad of solutions to brake questions. You can see many of > those at www.westcoastpiet.com, which is a collection of photos of Pietenpol > projects from around the world. There you will also see mine, which are > simply heel brakes modeled after the T-crafts...all parts home made. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Weber > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:07 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol brakes > > > Hi all, > I have been a lurker on the list for a few weeks. Our EAA chapter has > made a commitment to help one of our members-an 86 year old gentleman who > has been working on his Piet for 19 years-to help him finish up his Piet and > get it flying. He is building from the "Original Bernie Pietenpol" plans. > He has mechanical brakes on the wheels, but no brake pedals. Hoping not to > re-invent the wheel, I was hoping that someone could share their experiences > to help out. Thank you in advance. Sincerely John Weber(Leesburg, Fl). > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jun 13, 2013
Subject: Pietenpol brakes
UNCLASSIFIED The brakes on mine are dirt simple. Piper cub drum brakes. activated by a simple cable like that on a bike. The cable simply attaches to the heel pedals. Pushing on one end of the pedal pulls the other end with the cable attached. That pulls the lever on the drums. Simple. I actually over thought this, before giving in to the simplicity. Bleu Skies, Steve D On 06/13/13, Gary Boothe wrote: > > John, > > Glad to hear your chapter has taken on that challenge! > > There are a myriad of solutions to brake questions. You can see many of > those at www.westcoastpiet.com, which is a collection of photos of Pietenpol > projects from around the world. There you will also see mine, which are > simply heel brakes modeled after the T-crafts...all parts home made. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com](javascript:main.compose() On Behalf Of John Weber > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:07 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol brakes > > > Hi all, > I have been a lurker on the list for a few weeks. Our EAA chapter has > made a commitment to help one of our members-an 86 year old gentleman who > has been working on his Piet for 19 years-to help him finish up his Piet and > get it flying. He is building from the "Original Bernie Pietenpol" plans. > He has mechanical brakes on the wheels, but no brake pedals. Hoping not to > re-invent the wheel, I was hoping that someone could share their experiences > to help out. Thank you in advance. Sincerely John Weber(Leesburg, Fl). > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 14, 2013
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Latex Paint Forum
I just got word that I will be presenting a forum at Airventure on painting your homebuilt with latex paint, Wednesday, at 11:30. I plan to camp with my Titan Tornado in the ultralight area. If any of you are attending Airventure please stop by the forum or the camp site and say hi. I hope to be there from Sunday through Friday, weather permitting. I hope to be at Brodhead from Friday night to Sunday morning (weather permitting and with the Titan Tornado, Piet not done yet) See you there Malcolm http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Latex.htm ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: engine out..
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jun 15, 2013
Went for the second flight in the piet today.. Takeoff around the patch. . Touch and go. . And on downwind the engine stopped Not fuel or fire. . But instant stop. .. the oil pressure was a little low but it's a model A Ford. I turned downwind earlier than normal because it seemed like rpm was a little lower. Was 2000.. on the last climb I could only get 1800.... So engine out call and landing the opposite direction on the runway. . The tower had basically given me that side. . Parallel runways. Little wind from the right rear. .. not a lot of altitude. .. hit the runway a little too step. .a bounce. .. wind portion didn't help. . But caught the wing tip..I but off fabric to take a look. Looks like two ribs need repair. .. the rear spar at the strut fitting is cracked. . One piece wing. I see a splice and fabric work in my future. . The right wheel took a beating... and the axel bent at the wheel. . Easy fix. . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402742#402742 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123818_186.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123825_483.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine out..
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 15, 2013
Jeff, Wow that sucks bad. Glad you are OK. Any guesses on the engine? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2013 12:03 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. > Went for the second flight in the piet today.. Takeoff around the patch. . Touch and go. . And on downwind the engine stop ped Not fuel or fire. . But instant stop. .. the oil pressure was a little low but it's a model A Ford. I turned downwind earlier than normal because it seemed like rpm was a litt le lower. Was 2000.. on the last climb I could only get 1800.... So engine out call and landing the opposite direction on the runway. . The tower had basically given me that side. . Parallel runways. Little wind from the right rear. .. not a lot of altitude. .. hit the runwa y a little too step. .a bounce. .. wind portion didn't help. . But caught the w ing tip..I but off fabric to take a look. Looks like two ribs need repair. .. the rear spar at the strut fitting is cracked. . One piece wing. I see a splice and fabric work in my future. . The right w heel took a beating... and the axel bent at the wheel. . Easy fix. . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402742#402742 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123818_186.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123825_483.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine out..
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jun 15, 2013
not really... it was loose after landing... the lack of RPM then sudden stop makes me think it got hot and tight. I'll check it out. What kind of oil pressure do you see normally. ? I know the car guys say even 5lbs is good it does suck a little.. not as bad as Douwes repair... i'll get it going jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402744#402744 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine out..
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 15, 2013
It registers high (maybe 30) when cold, and routinely reads 5-10 lbs when hot. I recall Ken Perkins telling me the story of him landing in a bean fi eld because he was worried his oil pressure was barely reading......turns o ut everything was OK and normal to resume his journey. When I first flew mine it had a tendency to want to "quit" on final (I only allowed this to happen once, carried more power after that) at low RPM. No w it seems to be better. I am attributing this to tightness. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2013 12:20 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. > not really... it was loose after landing... the lack of RPM then sudden sto p makes me think it got hot and tight. I'll check it out. What kind of oil pressure do you see normally. ? I know the car guys say e ven 5lbs is good it does suck a little.. not as bad as Douwes repair... i'll get it going jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402744#402744 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine out..
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 15, 2013
Oh crap! (Having flashbacks...) Hope FAA doesn't get involved.... Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2013, at 10:03 AM, "bender" wrote: > > Went for the second flight in the piet today.. > Takeoff around the patch. . Touch and go. . And on downwind the engine stopped > Not fuel or fire. . But instant stop. .. the oil pressure was a little low but it's a model A Ford. > I turned downwind earlier than normal because it seemed like rpm was a little lower. > Was 2000.. on the last climb I could only get 1800.... > So engine out call and landing the opposite direction on the runway. . > The tower had basically given me that side. . Parallel runways. > Little wind from the right rear. .. not a lot of altitude. .. hit the runway a little too step. .a bounce. .. wind portion didn't help. . But caught the wing tip..I but off fabric to take a look. > Looks like two ribs need repair. .. the rear spar at the strut fitting is cracked. . > One piece wing. I see a splice and fabric work in my future. . The right wheel took a beating... and the axel bent at the wheel. . Easy fix. . > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402742#402742 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123818_186.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123825_483.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: engine out..
Date: Jun 15, 2013
So sorry to hear this, Jeff. I was hoping to see your new bird at Brodhead next month. Glad you're ok, but as Dan said, this sucks! I hioe you get her flying agin soon. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 1:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: engine out.. Went for the second flight in the piet today.. Takeoff around the patch. . Touch and go. . And on downwind the engine stopped Not fuel or fire. . But instant stop. .. the oil pressure was a little low but it's a model A Ford. I turned downwind earlier than normal because it seemed like rpm was a little lower. Was 2000.. on the last climb I could only get 1800.... So engine out call and landing the opposite direction on the runway. . The tower had basically given me that side. . Parallel runways. Little wind from the right rear. .. not a lot of altitude. .. hit the runway a little too step. .a bounce. .. wind portion didn't help. . But caught the wing tip..I but off fabric to take a look. Looks like two ribs need repair. .. the rear spar at the strut fitting is cracked. . One piece wing. I see a splice and fabric work in my future. . The right wheel took a beating... and the axel bent at the wheel. . Easy fix. . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402742#402742 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123818_186.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130615_123825_483.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine out..
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 15, 2013
Jeff Did your prop survive ? You are fortunate to come out unscathed . Check the Mag to see if it moved or grounded, for that quick shut-down. A fuel shortage is a slower engine, but a prime will get you back with a little power. During the period of 1800 RPM could you get the engine to increase by a slight primer set to the unlocked position? this will run a bit rich,and slower,was it locked in the off position, during your first take-off, that caused the engine stop ? Look at each spark plug for signs of rich or lean conditions .The last ? did you have a problem at full throttle on take off or did you give the Ford a quick open throttle just as it started to stop ? Seem the Brain doesn't work as fast when one is in the position of unusual situations, I have been there, done that. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402762#402762 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine out..
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jun 15, 2013
The prop is ok. .. the only damage is the bent axel and the rear spar. Two ribs have a member broken. . My oil pressure was never over 10 psi.. Usually around 3-5... but that's what I understood to be normal on the A. I really wonder if a lack of oil In a new engine is the culprit. I'll check everything. . Repair the wood and do it again. . I really like the idea of the A..I've really run it hard on the ground and its been Like a clock. . Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402768#402768 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 16, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: wood vs steel struts
Hi Paul. I can't answer your question directly, only to say that the alumin um struts will be lighter than any similar sized steel struts.- If you ar e thinking of using steel tubes to wrap with wood, than those steel tubes a lone will probably weigh more than the aluminum struts.- Aluminum tubes w rapped with wood, T-88, varnish/paint may still weigh more than the plain a luminum struts. =0A-=0AYou may want to buy streamline aluminum struts and then wrap them with a thin wood-veneer.-(Of course, the added veneer, adhesive, varnish/paint, etc. add weight...) However, gluing down a thin ve neer over the streamline tube would be easy and the shape is already perfec t...no wood fabrication required. The veneer can be purchased just about an y place you can buy wood.=0A-=0AFWIW, my aluminum struts, complete with -machined aluminum inserts, SS forks and the nuts/bolts to assemble-the m, weigh just under 4 lbs. each.=0A-=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Vid eos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 16, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: wood vs steel struts
http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com >________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Still Learning to Fly
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 16, 2013
As Bob DeWenter announced last week, I finally soloed. Between Part 141 and the flying schools' restrictions it became difficult to find a good time for me to solo. My solo was scheduled 7 times and cancelled due to strong winds (over 5 knot crosswind component) or a wind speed over 15 knots. It's been a windy Spring around here! Fortunately I was able to continue to fly and accumulate hours with my instructor waiting for the solo. I continue to gain confidence and improvement with each of my flights. I am sure looking forward to moving on to some cross country navigation and flights. Landings have been the most difficult part of flying for me. I just can't seem to get the knack of it. I'll probably just get it in the 172 when I transfer over to the Piper Cub for the rest of the training. Here is a good example of one of my landings. Bob is narrating and taking the video. He gets a little excited and thinks it is my third landing......but it is only my second. I hope he knows how much I appreciate having this on film. I had a gopro camera in my flight bag but forgot to take it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_qzyyNBu0E The flying lessons have motivated me to work harder on my Piet build just like attending fly-ins, Brodhead, and EAA meets. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402806#402806 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Still Learning to Fly
Date: Jun 16, 2013
Way to go, John!! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 11:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Still Learning to Fly --> As Bob DeWenter announced last week, I finally soloed. Between Part 141 and the flying schools' restrictions it became difficult to find a good time for me to solo. My solo was scheduled 7 times and cancelled due to strong winds (over 5 knot crosswind component) or a wind speed over 15 knots. It's been a windy Spring around here! Fortunately I was able to continue to fly and accumulate hours with my instructor waiting for the solo. I continue to gain confidence and improvement with each of my flights. I am sure looking forward to moving on to some cross country navigation and flights. Landings have been the most difficult part of flying for me. I just can't seem to get the knack of it. I'll probably just get it in the 172 when I transfer over to the Piper Cub for the rest of the training. Here is a good example of one of my landings. Bob is narrating and taking the video. He gets a little excited and thinks it is my third landing......but it is only my second. I hope he knows how much I appreciate having this on film. I had a gopro camera in my flight bag but forgot to take it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_qzyyNBu0E The flying lessons have motivated me to work harder on my Piet build just like attending fly-ins, Brodhead, and EAA meets. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402806#402806 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine out..
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jun 16, 2013
i got the rear spar cut out today... marked the splice location and now have a cool reminder to hang on the wall.. the top wing fabric with part of the big numbers. the damage was right at the attach point.. i glued my ribs and that kinda sucked to get them loose, but i got it. shopping for a piece of wood this week.. a splice and a little fabric work. then to figure out the engine. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402812#402812 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Still Learning to Fly
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 16, 2013
Awesome landing, John! Nicely done! You will be doing your cross country flights before you know it. Keep us posted. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402814#402814 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 16, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: wood vs steel struts
Yes. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero http://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 16, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Still Learning to Fly
As I said, this is the motivation that keeps me going!- STILL hoping to s tart my flight training this month...=0A=0A=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HIN T Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero.com/=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: engine out..
Date: Jun 16, 2013
Jeff, I'll tell you the same thing I told Douwe and Gardner and Kevin and Gary - building a Pietenpol is fun. Rebuilding one is just pure work. (Ask me how I know). I really admire you for stepping up and accepting the challenge to rebuild, rather than just sell the pile of scrap and move on, as some have done. Keep working at it and you'll have it flying again in no time, and it'll be better than ever. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out.. i got the rear spar cut out today... marked the splice location and now have a cool reminder to hang on the wall.. the top wing fabric with part of the big numbers. the damage was right at the attach point.. i glued my ribs and that kinda sucked to get them loose, but i got it. shopping for a piece of wood this week.. a splice and a little fabric work. then to figure out the engine. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402812#402812 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 16, 2013
......added pic's (clearer).......end msg -------- L.Metzel KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 712TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402823#402823 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_214.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_150.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wood vs steel struts
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 16, 2013
Does anyone know what the actual stress pressures on the struts? The aluminum struts seem to me quite strong for normal flight, but when I compared the strength of the steel vs aluminum, there is so much difference I am curious by what factor is actually necessary? Anyone able to calculate the strength Needed by the struts? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402825#402825 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 16, 2013
Weather co-operated. Sunny and comfortable temperatures all day. Bit of a crosswind. Lots of people turned out. Only two Piets present, but a selection of other interesting aircraft showed up. Unfortunately, I had a bit of mechanical trouble on the way, so I didn't arrive until almost 2pm. And once I had said hello to all the faces I knew, most of the aircraft had departed - so I have almost no photos to share. However, I did take a handful of photos. Here are a few snapped at the end of the day. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402827#402827 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4418_138.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4426_269.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4430_183.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Date: Jun 16, 2013
Dang horseless contraptions!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 6:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic --> Weather co-operated. Sunny and comfortable temperatures all day. Bit of a crosswind. Lots of people turned out. Only two Piets present, but a selection of other interesting aircraft showed up. Unfortunately, I had a bit of mechanical trouble on the way, so I didn't arrive until almost 2pm. And once I had said hello to all the faces I knew, most of the aircraft had departed - so I have almost no photos to share. However, I did take a handful of photos. Here are a few snapped at the end of the day. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402827#402827 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4418_138.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4426_269.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4430_183.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges
Date: Jun 16, 2013
Beautiful pictures and plane! I love the clarity of the dials, great for an old fart to read! I saved the info on the gauges and will order them. Now, how about some detailed pictures of your 3-piece windscreen? Thanks, Ray Krause, SkyScout in progress Sent from my iPad On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:22 PM, "TriScout" wrote: > > ......added pic's (clearer).......end msg > > -------- > L.Metzel > KLNC > A65-8 > N2308C > AN Hardware > Airframe 712TT > W72CK-42 Sensenich > Standard Factory GN-1 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402823#402823 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_214.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_150.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Attaching ribs to spars question
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 16, 2013
That's interesting Keri Ann ... Wonder how much lighter the ribs are than a built up rib. Naw... There I go again trying to change the plans. I'm starting the order list to get your tail wheel built that I bought plans for. Hoping the next time I get a job I can pinch a few bucks to buy the parts. Need the list first, and that doesn't cost me anything to plan out :D Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402835#402835 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: wood vs steel struts
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Another, much lighter, possibility. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DarTJsvbaQk Hmmmm......maybe the entire enchelada, er, airplane even. :-) Clif You may want to buy streamline aluminum struts and then wrap them with a thin wood veneer. Michael Perez ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Douwe's truck
Date: Jun 17, 2013
It wasn't singing was it? I'll bet it wasn't. "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig. " Someone Clif > Douwe , I found your truck at the San Antonio airport > Paul Donahue ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: wood vs steel struts
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Fairly simple to calculate. First, figure out what gross weight your airplane will have (in order to make this calculation conservative, pick a number higher than you really think it will be). For the purpose of this exercise, let's say the gross weight is 1300 lbs. Then multiply that by the highest load factor (G-load) you would expect to survive in extreme turbulence or maneuvers. 5 G's is a common number for ultimate loading (the load that would cause something to break). So this means the wing is carrying 1300 x 5 or 6,500 lbs of load. Most of the wing load is carried by the lift struts. A Pietenpol has a 29' wingspan, with a 2' wide centersection, so each wing panel is 13' 6" wide and carries 13.5/29 or 47% of the load, which in this example is 3,025 lbs. Since the lift struts attach in the middle of the wing panel, virtually all of the lift load is transferred to the struts, with very little load carried by the bolts attaching the wing panel to the centersection (low enough to be ignored in this example). So the two lift struts on each side carry 3,025 lbs between them. Calculating how much of that load is carried by the front strut and how much by the rear is a bit more difficult. The distribution of load varies with the location of the center of pressure, which moves around as the angle of attack changes, and the location of the center of gravity, which varies with how the airplane is loaded (fuel and passengers, for example). It is probably safe to say that the front strut carries up to about 3/4 of the wing load, since it is pretty close to the C.G. So that means with a 1300 lb Pietenpol loaded to 5 G's by turbulence or extreme aerobatics, the front struts each are carrying (3/4)x(3,025) or 2,270 lbs. OK, we've found the load the struts carry. The stress is simply that load divided by the cross sectional area of the strut. For a round tube, the area is easy to calculate: Area = =F0(d2outside - d2inside)/4 Assuming you are using 1" diameter 4130 steel tubing, with a wall thickness of 0.049", the cross-sectional area would be =F0 x (1.0002 - .9022)/4 or .146 in2 . With 2,270 lbs being carried by .146 in2, the stress in that strut would be 2270/.146 or 15,505 psi. Since normalized 4130 has an ultimate strength of 90,000 psi, this is certainly a safe load for that steel strut to carry. So for wood or aluminum struts, you simply need to know the breaking strength of the material and the cross-sectional area of the strut and you can calculate the stress. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts Does anyone know what the actual stress pressures on the struts? The aluminum struts seem to me quite strong for normal flight, but when I compared the strength of the steel vs aluminum, there is so much difference I am curious by what factor is actually necessary? Anyone able to calculate the strength Needed by the struts? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402825#402825 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Orth" <mosurf(at)xplornet.com>
Subject: Re: wood vs steel struts
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Excellent explanation. Thank you, Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 4:54 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts Fairly simple to calculate. First, figure out what gross weight your airplane will have (in order to make this calculation conservative, pick a number higher than you really think it will be). For the purpose of this exercise, let's say the gross weight is 1300 lbs. Then multiply that by the highest load factor (G-load) you would expect to survive in extreme turbulence or maneuvers. 5 G's is a common number for ultimate loading (the load that would cause something to break). So this means the wing is carrying 1300 x 5 or 6,500 lbs of load. Most of the wing load is carried by the lift struts. A Pietenpol has a 29' wingspan, with a 2' wide centersection, so each wing panel is 13' 6" wide and carries 13.5/29 or 47% of the load, which in this example is 3,025 lbs. Since the lift struts attach in the middle of the wing panel, virtually all of the lift load is transferred to the struts, with very little load carried by the bolts attaching the wing panel to the centersection (low enough to be ignored in this example). So the two lift struts on each side carry 3,025 lbs between them. Calculating how much of that load is carried by the front strut and how much by the rear is a bit more difficult. The distribution of load varies with the location of the center of pressure, which moves around as the angle of attack changes, and the location of the center of gravity, which varies with how the airplane is loaded (fuel and passengers, for example). It is probably safe to say that the front strut carries up to about 3/4 of the wing load, since it is pretty close to the C.G. So that means with a 1300 lb Pietenpol loaded to 5 G's by turbulence or extreme aerobatics, the front struts each are carrying (3/4)x(3,025) or 2,270 lbs. OK, we've found the load the struts carry. The stress is simply that load divided by the cross sectional area of the strut. For a round tube, the area is easy to calculate: Area = =CF(d2outside =93 d2inside)/4 Assuming you are using 1=9D diameter 4130 steel tubing, with a wall thickness of 0.049=9D, the cross-sectional area would be =CF x (1.0002 - .9022)/4 or .146 in2 . With 2,270 lbs being carried by .146 in2, the stress in that strut would be 2270/.146 or 15,505 psi. Since normalized 4130 has an ultimate strength of 90,000 psi, this is certainly a safe load for that steel strut to carry. So for wood or aluminum struts, you simply need to know the breaking strength of the material and the cross-sectional area of the strut and you can calculate the stress. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts Does anyone know what the actual stress pressures on the struts? The aluminum struts seem to me quite strong for normal flight, but when I compared the strength of the steel vs aluminum, there is so much difference I am curious by what factor is actually necessary? Anyone able to calculate the strength Needed by the struts? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402825#402825 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06/16/13 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Latex Paint Forum
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 17, 2013
I would be interested in your forum on this subject. Possible to do a video and post it on YouTube for us not attending? WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402854#402854 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Picnic
Date: Jun 17, 2013
It was great. I got to comb a pietenpol over and I got my first ride in Brian's Piet C-FAUK... Was a great experience and a great motivator..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Picnic > > > Weather co-operated. Sunny and comfortable temperatures all day. Bit of > a crosswind. Lots of people turned out. Only two Piets present, but a > selection of other interesting aircraft showed up. > > Unfortunately, I had a bit of mechanical trouble on the way, so I didn't > arrive until almost 2pm. And once I had said hello to all the faces I > knew, most of the aircraft had departed - so I have almost no photos to > share. However, I did take a handful of photos. Here are a few snapped > at the end of the day. > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402827#402827 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4418_138.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4426_269.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4430_183.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Still Learning to Fly
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Is this at Red Stewart or Dayton Wright Bro? CB ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Still Learning to Fly > > As Bob DeWenter announced last week, I finally soloed. Between Part 141 > and the flying schools' restrictions it became difficult to find a good > time for me to solo. My solo was scheduled 7 times and cancelled due to > strong winds > (over 5 knot crosswind component) or a wind speed over 15 knots. It's > been a windy Spring around here! Fortunately I was able to continue to > fly and accumulate hours with my instructor waiting for the solo. > > I continue to gain confidence and improvement with each of my flights. I > am sure looking forward to moving on to some cross country navigation and > flights. > > Landings have been the most difficult part of flying for me. I just can't > seem to get the knack of it. I'll probably just get it in the 172 when I > transfer over to the Piper Cub for the rest of the training. Here is a > good example of one of my landings. Bob is narrating and taking the > video. He gets a little excited and thinks it is my third > landing......but it is only my second. I hope he knows how much I > appreciate having this on film. I had a gopro camera in my flight bag but > forgot to take it out. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_qzyyNBu0E > > The flying lessons have motivated me to work harder on my Piet build just > like attending fly-ins, Brodhead, and EAA meets. > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402806#402806 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 17, 2013
From: <r.r.hall(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges
I have a O-200 any idea how the temperature gauge would work with the probe on it? Rodney Hall ---- TriScout wrote: > > ......added pic's (clearer).......end msg > > -------- > L.Metzel > KLNC > A65-8 > N2308C > AN Hardware > Airframe 712TT > W72CK-42 Sensenich > Standard Factory GN-1 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402823#402823 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_214.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_150.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 17, 2013
That's a "penzon"..........penzon if you have an 0200A or not. The A has same limit as A65... Up to 225deg limit. Later models go up to 240deg...and higher limitations on certain models of that motor. -------- L.Metzel KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 712TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402859#402859 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Still Learning to Fly
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Dayton Wight Brothers Rwy 2 -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402860#402860 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: WW2 Jeep Gauges
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Oh...windscreen. I'm out on a trip at moment...just have this apple product to work with, or I would get some close shots of windscreen posted. -------- L.Metzel KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 712TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402861#402861 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 4130 tubing FOR SALE
From: "Trevor" <trushton(at)magsol.co.uk>
Date: Jun 17, 2013
We are soon to do a production run here in the UK of 4130 lift strut tubing 2.69 x 1.44 x 0.049 if anyone is interested or you have a group requirement please contact with quantity. It may be very interesting if a good freight cost can be found. -------- Building a Pietenpol-a lot to learn! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402864#402864 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: rudder & elevator hinges
From: "Trevor" <trushton(at)magsol.co.uk>
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Can anyone advise what grade of aluminium is used for the cast hinges. Has a machined hinge been used as a replacement ? Thanks Trevor -------- Building a Pietenpol-a lot to learn! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402865#402865 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine out..
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jun 17, 2013
My spars are douglas fir.. and I found some within an hour from here. plan to pick of a board or 2 today and start scarfing. the repair other than scarfing the joint that is still on the plane looks pretty easy. A couple of the pilots here at work are asking when i'm going to put an airplane engine on it. I really hate to do that because the A is really cool. I do know of an A75 locally that I could get for a good price.. needs overhaul, but that's easy. I hope to keep the A.. going to tear it apart unless I find an ignition or carb prob just to figure this out. but the wing is first.. gotta have that no matter the engine choice. I'm thinking a lot about the oil pressure.. or lack of..being the possible issue. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402866#402866 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 18, 2013
From: John Woods <johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: wood vs steel struts
Jack, One thing you missed..... The struts are at an angle to the wing, so this must be taken into account. If the included=C2-angle is=C2-30 degrees down from the wing then you h ave to divide the load by sin30. Effectively this doubles the strut tension load from 2270 lbs to 4540 lbs. Best regards, John Woods ----- "Jack Phillips" wrote: > > Fairly simple to calculate.=C2- First, figure out what gross weight your airplane will have (in order to make this calculation conservative, pick a number higher than you really think it will be).=C2- For the purpose of t his exercise, let's say the gross weight is 1300 lbs. Then multiply that by the highest load factor (G-load) you would expect to survive in extreme turbulence or maneuvers.=C2- 5 G's is a common number for ultimate loading (the load that would cause something to break).=C2- So this means the wing is carrying 1300 x 5 or 6,500 lbs of load. Most of the wing load is carried by the lift struts.=C2- A Pietenpol has a 29' wingspan, with a 2' wide centersection, so each wing panel is 13' 6" wide and carries 13.5/29 or 47% of the load, which in this example is 3,025 lbs. Since the lift struts attach in the middle of the wing panel, virtually all of the lift load is transferred to the struts, with very little load carri ed by the bolts attaching the wing panel to the centersection (low enough t o be ignored in this example).=C2- So the two lift struts on each side ca rry 3,025 lbs between them. Calculating how much of that load is carried by the front strut and how muc h by the rear is a bit more difficult.=C2- The distribution of load varie s with the location of the center of pressure, which moves around as the an gle of attack changes, and the location of the center of gravity, which var ies with how the airplane is loaded (fuel and passengers, for example).=C2 - It is probably safe to say that the front strut carries up to about 3/4 of the wing load, since it is pretty close to the C.G. So that means with a 1300 lb Pietenpol loaded to 5 G's by turbulence or ext reme aerobatics, the front struts each are carrying (3/4)x(3,025) or 2,270 lbs. OK, we've found the load the struts carry.=C2- The stress is simply that load divided by the cross sectional area of the strut.=C2- For a round tu be, the area is easy to calculate:=C2- Area = =CF(d 2 outside =93 d 2 inside )/4 Assuming you are using 1=9D diameter 4130 steel tubing, with a wall t hickness of 0.049=9D, the cross-sectional area would be =CF x (1.0 00 2 - .902 2 )/4 or .146 in 2 .=C2- With 2,270 lbs being carried by .146 in 2 , the stress in that strut would be 2270/.146 or 15,505 psi.=C2- Si nce normalized 4130 has an ultimate strength of 90,000 psi, this is certain ly a safe load for that steel strut to carry. So for wood or aluminum struts, you simply need to know the breaking streng th of the material and the cross-sectional area of the strut and you can ca lculate the stress. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:29 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts > Does anyone know what the actual stress pressures on the struts? The alumin um struts seem to me quite strong for normal flight, but when I compared th e strength of the steel vs aluminum, there is so much difference I am curio us by what factor is actually necessary? Anyone able to calculate the stren gth Needed by the struts? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402825#402825 === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === == ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: wood vs steel struts
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Oops! Of course you are right, John. I wondered, because I remember doing the analysis years ago when I built my Pietenpol and it seemed like the struts were a lot more highly loaded than that. That's what I get for trying to work from memory, instead of drawing a free body diagram. So in my example, the stress in the steel tube strut would be more like 31,000 psi, which is getting into significant stress range. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Woods Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts Jack, One thing you missed..... The struts are at an angle to the wing, so this must be taken into account. If the included angle is 30 degrees down from the wing then you have to divide the load by sin30. Effectively this doubles the strut tension load from 2270 lbs to 4540 lbs. Best regards, John Woods ----- "Jack Phillips" wrote: > > Fairly simple to calculate. First, figure out what gross weight your airplane will have (in order to make this calculation conservative, pick a number higher than you really think it will be). For the purpose of this exercise, let's say the gross weight is 1300 lbs. Then multiply that by the highest load factor (G-load) you would expect to survive in extreme turbulence or maneuvers. 5 G's is a common number for ultimate loading (the load that would cause something to break). So this means the wing is carrying 1300 x 5 or 6,500 lbs of load. Most of the wing load is carried by the lift struts. A Pietenpol has a 29' wingspan, with a 2' wide centersection, so each wing panel is 13' 6" wide and carries 13.5/29 or 47% of the load, which in this example is 3,025 lbs. Since the lift struts attach in the middle of the wing panel, virtually all of the lift load is transferred to the struts, with very little load carried by the bolts attaching the wing panel to the centersection (low enough to be ignored in this example). So the two lift struts on each side carry 3,025 lbs between them. Calculating how much of that load is carried by the front strut and how much by the rear is a bit more difficult. The distribution of load varies with the location of the center of pressure, which moves around as the angle of attack changes, and the location of the center of gravity, which varies with how the airplane is loaded (fuel and passengers, for example). It is probably safe to say that the front strut carries up to about 3/4 of the wing load, since it is pretty close to the C.G. So that means with a 1300 lb Pietenpol loaded to 5 G's by turbulence or extreme aerobatics, the front struts each are carrying (3/4)x(3,025) or 2,270 lbs. OK, we've found the load the struts carry. The stress is simply that load divided by the cross sectional area of the strut. For a round tube, the area is easy to calculate: Area = =F0(d2outside - d2inside)/4 Assuming you are using 1" diameter 4130 steel tubing, with a wall thickness of 0.049", the cross-sectional area would be =F0 x (1.0002 - .9022)/4 or .146 in2 . With 2,270 lbs being carried by .146 in2, the stress in that strut would be 2270/.146 or 15,505 psi. Since normalized 4130 has an ultimate strength of 90,000 psi, this is certainly a safe load for that steel strut to carry. So for wood or aluminum struts, you simply need to know the breaking strength of the material and the cross-sectional area of the strut and you can calculate the stress. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:29 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood vs steel struts Does anyone know what the actual stress pressures on the struts? The aluminum struts seem to me quite strong for normal flight, but when I compared the strength of the steel vs aluminum, there is so much difference I am curious by what factor is actually necessary? Anyone able to calculate the strength Needed by the struts? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402825#402825 " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net>
Subject: ELT Location
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Need some help on where to mount the ELT and ELT antenna on my Pietenpol. I had not intended to have an ELT based on reports from this group that they were not required to have one by their DAR because of staying within 25 miles of the home airport for the first 40 hours. Now that my plane is finished (see attached pic), my DAR says I must have one. So, I am essentially having to retrofit an ELT to a plane I didn't design to have one. At this point I am leaning toward putting the ELT between the legs of the passenger on the floor of the front pit. For the antenna, I am leaning toward mounting it on the forward portion of the coaming (tho it will hurt to drill a mounting hole in my finished cowl), as that's the only existing metal that is large enough to act as a ground plane. I know its preferred (but not required) to mount the ELT as far aft as possible, but at this point, I would have to do some major rework to mount the ELT and create a ground plane anywhere behind the pilot, not to mention the negative effect on CG. I've gone through all the Matronics archives without finding a good solution for my situation, so would invite any input on: 1. Where you mounted the ELT. 2. Where you mounted the ELT antenna. 3. What you used as a ground plane. Especially if it's mounted in a forward location. Larry Morlock ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wood vs steel struts
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Jack As one of my engineering profs from back in the stone ages used to say about his exams -- "No free body diagram, no credit!!!" Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402898#402898 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: ELT Location
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Larry, I can't help you with the ELT, since mine is behind the pilot.but your Piet sure turned out nice!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Morlock Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT Location Need some help on where to mount the ELT and ELT antenna on my Pietenpol. I had not intended to have an ELT based on reports from this group that they were not required to have one by their DAR because of staying within 25 miles of the home airport for the first 40 hours. Now that my plane is finished (see attached pic), my DAR says I must have one. So, I am essentially having to retrofit an ELT to a plane I didn't design to have one. At this point I am leaning toward putting the ELT between the legs of the passenger on the floor of the front pit. For the antenna, I am leaning toward mounting it on the forward portion of the coaming (tho it will hurt to drill a mounting hole in my finished cowl), as that's the only existing metal that is large enough to act as a ground plane. I know its preferred (but not required) to mount the ELT as far aft as possible, but at this point, I would have to do some major rework to mount the ELT and create a ground plane anywhere behind the pilot, not to mention the negative effect on CG. I've gone through all the Matronics archives without finding a good solution for my situation, so would invite any input on: 1. Where you mounted the ELT. 2. Where you mounted the ELT antenna. 3. What you used as a ground plane. Especially if it's mounted in a forward location. Larry Morlock ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine out..
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Jeff, Either those guys that want you to change engines are secretly envious, or they don't want to admit that they don't have the gonads to build and fly a real experimental! (Not that there's anything wrong with a/c engines...that was simply not your choice) They sound like some of the same guys from my airport! I'm not an 'A' guy, but I know there are plenty of guys on this list who are quite experienced, and just waiting for you to ask some direct questions. When you get the bugs worked out, like Dan Helsper did, those guys will be awed by your cool-sounding engine, take credit for helping you to fix it, then move on to the next airport to beat up on someone else... Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:33 AM, "bender" wrote: > > My spars are douglas fir.. and I found some within an hour from here. > plan to pick of a board or 2 today and start scarfing. > the repair other than scarfing the joint that is still on the plane looks pretty easy. > A couple of the pilots here at work are asking when i'm going to put an airplane engine on it. I really hate to do that because the A is really cool. > I do know of an A75 locally that I could get for a good price.. needs overhaul, but that's easy. I hope to keep the A.. going to tear it apart unless I find an ignition or carb prob just to figure this out. > but the wing is first.. gotta have that no matter the engine choice. > I'm thinking a lot about the oil pressure.. or lack of..being the possible issue. > > jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402866#402866 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 17, 2013
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Latex Paint Forum
WF2 I will see what I can do about recording the session. At a minimum I will have an expanded and updated Powerpoint presentation available. Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:19:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Latex Paint Forum I would be interested in your forum on this subject. Possible to do a video and post it on YouTube for us not attending? WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402854#402854 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: My "hood ornament"
From: Douwe <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jun 17, 2013
The dirty rotten fourflusher stole my flying pig!! Mine's way cooler... Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: wood vs steel struts
Date: Jun 17, 2013
Yep - that's a good rule. An FBD tends to point out such little things as vector components, which would have cued me in on this one. I was so busy thinking about how to explain how you get from the loading to the stresses in the strut that I neglected to mention the huge effect the strut geometry has on the loading (and the stresses). As long as we're having this discussion, it's probably appropriate to mention that one of the problems with wooden or aluminum struts is how to make the attachments to the fittings. Almost invariably such attachments have to be made with bolts loaded in shear, so the shear strength of the wood or aluminum must be considered. It is not a trivial exercise. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia A retired engineer, who perhaps should STAY retired Jack As one of my engineering profs from back in the stone ages used to say about his exams -- "No free body diagram, no credit!!!" Dave ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: My "hood ornament"
Date: Jun 17, 2013
...and goes higher. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My "hood ornament" --> The dirty rotten fourflusher stole my flying pig!! Mine's way cooler... Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
From: Douwe <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jun 17, 2013
An evocative pic to spur everyone towards the finish line (even if its the s econd finish line). How 'bout everyone send in their favorite photo? Douwe Sent from my iPhone

      
      
      
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From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
Date: Jun 17, 2013
>From Brodhead 2012. Photo courtesy of Pat Hoyt. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 8:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sunset - send in your favorite photo An evocative pic to spur everyone towards the finish line (even if its the second finish line). How 'bout everyone send in their favorite photo? Douwe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Sent from my iPhone >

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Subject: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 18, 2013
Another Brodhead shot. This one from 2008. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402923#402923 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/brodhead2008_197_187.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 18, 2013
Beautiful Douwe. Stunning shot. Here's my favorite. Taken by Shelley Tumino at Brodhead last year. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Douwe <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2013 8:45 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sunset - send in your favorite photo An evocative pic to spur everyone towards the finish line (even if its the second finish line). How 'bout everyone send in their favorite photo? Douwe Sent from my iPhone

      
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From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: ELT Location
Date: Jun 18, 2013
Larry, I mounted mine behind the pilot's seat under the helmet box. I made a ground plane of aluminum and mounted the antenna there as well. I have an access panel in the belly so I can inspect and lubricate the elevator bellcrank and this provides access to service the ELT as well. Here's a picture of it, looking straight up from the belly access panel: You can see the groundplane under the helmet box, with the antenna mounted below the ground plane. It seems to work ok, on the one day each year it gets activated during the condition inspection. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Morlock Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 6:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT Location Need some help on where to mount the ELT and ELT antenna on my Pietenpol. I had not intended to have an ELT based on reports from this group that they were not required to have one by their DAR because of staying within 25 miles of the home airport for the first 40 hours. Now that my plane is finished (see attached pic), my DAR says I must have one. So, I am essentially having to retrofit an ELT to a plane I didn't design to have one. At this point I am leaning toward putting the ELT between the legs of the passenger on the floor of the front pit. For the antenna, I am leaning toward mounting it on the forward portion of the coaming (tho it will hurt to drill a mounting hole in my finished cowl), as that's the only existing metal that is large enough to act as a ground plane. I know its preferred (but not required) to mount the ELT as far aft as possible, but at this point, I would have to do some major rework to mount the ELT and create a ground plane anywhere behind the pilot, not to mention the negative effect on CG. I've gone through all the Matronics archives without finding a good solution for my situation, so would invite any input on: 1. Where you mounted the ELT. 2. Where you mounted the ELT antenna. 3. What you used as a ground plane. Especially if it's mounted in a forward location. Larry Morlock ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "l.morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: ELT Location
Date: Jun 18, 2013
Thanks for the ELT picture, Jack. Your location just behind the pilot is the most logical, but that's where the major rework is for me, as I don't have access at this point. Your idea of having an access panel in the bottom of the fuse is a really good one, and based on my experience, I would recommend it to all new builders. Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 18, 2013
Chuck, For a sunset photo, the sun would be in the west. For a sunrise photo, the sun would be in the east. Well, you asked! BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402938#402938 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Champion C-26 Plugs
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 18, 2013
Mike- Here's a very thorough response to your question, from my A&P (and Continental specialist) friend Jeff Scott in Los Alamos: =============== For Champion, the higher number is a hotter plug (or heat range)........meaning the plug runs at a hotter temperature because it transfers heat from the combustion chamber slower. That is accomplished by moving the ceramic insulator further back up inside the plug a bit farther, so it takes longer for heat to transfer up the electrode and dissipate through the plug to the cylinder head and outside air. So, that means the C27 plug is one heat range hotter than a C26 plug. That usually isn't a big deal in a 4 stroke engine and the A series engines could usually use a hotter plug, so I wouldn't have a problem with flying either a C26 or C27 plug in an A-65. (The C26 was the original plug in the A-65s) The C26 is a rough equivalent to a M40E and the C27 is a rough equivalent to a M41E for heat range. The C series spark plugs are unshielded, while the M series are electrically shielded. All the plugs listed here are 18MM thread with 1/2" reach. Note that none of these plugs are resistor type plugs, so if you want to run them, make sure your magnetos are OK to run non-resistor type plugs. The AM-4 series Eisemanns are unshielded, as are the original harnesses on the old Bendix Scintilla SF-4 series mags. I have run C26 plugs on a LA-4 series Eisemann with no issues as well. The newer Bendix and the Slick mags are designed for shielded resistor type plugs. I would be especially leery of running the C type plugs (or any non-resistor type plug) on a Slick Magneto. That is not to say they won't run. Only that the Slick Coils seems to be very sensitive to incorrect spark plug resistance and are prone to insulation break down and internal arcing in the coil when things aren't right. The link below will take you to a .pdf with lots of really good Champion spark plug data. Towards the bottom is a listing of current and discontinued plugs with some descriptions of them. At the top is a listing of what all the numbers and letters in the spark plug designator mean. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402943#402943 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Champion C-26 Plugs
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jun 18, 2013
Thanks Oscar, I didn't see a link... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jun 18, 2013, at 10:12 AM, "taildrags" wrote: > > Mike- > > Here's a very thorough response to your question, from my A&P (and Continental specialist) friend Jeff Scott in Los Alamos: > =============== > For Champion, the higher number is a hotter plug (or heat range)........meaning the plug runs at a hotter temperature because it transfers heat from the combustion chamber slower. That is accomplished by moving the ceramic insulator further back up inside the plug a bit farther, so it takes longer for heat to transfer up the electrode and dissipate through the plug to the cylinder head and outside air. > > > So, that means the C27 plug is one heat range hotter than a C26 plug. That usually isn't a big deal in a 4 stroke engine and the A series engines could usually use a hotter plug, so I wouldn't have a problem with flying either a C26 or C27 plug in an A-65. (The C26 was the original plug in the A-65s) > > > The C26 is a rough equivalent to a M40E and the C27 is a rough equivalent to a M41E for heat range. The C series spark plugs are unshielded, while the M series are electrically shielded. All the plugs listed here are 18MM thread with 1/2" reach. Note that none of these plugs are resistor type plugs, so if you want to run them, make sure your magnetos are OK to run non-resistor type plugs. The AM-4 series Eisemanns are unshielded, as are the original harnesses on the old Bendix Scintilla SF-4 series mags. I have run C26 plugs on a LA-4 series Eisemann with no issues as well. The newer Bendix and the Slick mags are designed for shielded resistor type plugs. I would be especially leery of running the C type plugs (or any non-resistor type plug) on a Slick Magneto. That is not to say they won't run. Only that the Slick Coils seems to be very sensitive to incorrect spark plug resistance and are prone to insulation break down and internal arcing in the coil when things ! > aren't right. > > The link below will take you to a .pdf with lots of really good Champion spark plug data. Towards the bottom is a listing of current and discontinued plugs with some descriptions of them. At the top is a listing of what all the numbers and letters in the spark plug designator mean. > > > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402943#402943 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 18, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Champion C-26 Plugs
Thank you very much Oscar and thank Scott for me...the intel. he provided i s exactly what I was after. I am glad to hear that these plugs were origina lly used on the A-65 and that they will work fine with my AM-4 mags. The pl ugs are now installed on my engine and I am currently fabricating the ignit ion wires and various wire holders/stand-offs.=0A=0A=0A-=0AMichael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretakerAero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Champion C-26 Plugs
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 18, 2013
Mike; it cropped the link or didn't include it. Let me try again: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CE0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.championaerospace.com%2Fassets%2FAV-14-Jan2010.pdf&ei=gl3AUZXpEeLbyQHbl4FA&usg=AFQjCNGBoFn1YWi0whY8-nqsdG2yKgrB2Q&sig2=NqA59VzAc_uiW-3reaTh6A&bvm=bv.47883778,d.aWc In case the link doesn't post, I'm sure you can Google it. Look for AV-14-Jan2010.pdf at championaerospace.com -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402956#402956 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jun 18, 2013
the sun was setting.. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402963#402963 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bw_896.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/push_115.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine out..
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jun 18, 2013
Picked up a coupe of nice doug fir boards today.. and got he plane side scarf cut.. that was the hardest one.. a new pull cut handsaw and a lot of cutting got it 15:1.. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402964#402964 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
From: cessna7226g(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 18, 2013
Great photo!! -----Original Message----- From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2013 11:13 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sunset - send in your favorite photo >From Brodhead 2012. Photo courtesy of Pat Hoyt. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 8:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sunset - send in your favorite photo An evocative pic to spur everyone towards the finish line (even if its the second finish line). How 'bout everyone send in their favorite photo? Douwe --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > Sent from my iPhone >

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Date: Jun 18, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: engine out..
Just a reminder, you-probably already know this, but No-splices under s par fittings per ac43-13.=0A-=0AShad=0A=0A=0A____________________________ ____=0AFrom: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr onics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:00 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>=0A=0APicked up a coupe of nice doug fir boards today.. and got he plane side scarf cut.. that was the hardest one.. a new pull cut handsaw and a lot of cutting got it 15:1..=0A=0Ajeff=0A=0A=0A=0A =0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic. - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admi ==== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 18, 2013
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: ELT requirement
Hey Larry, You absolutely are NOT required to have an ELT installed during phase 1 flight testing, if you do not carry a passenger (which you aren't really supposed to anyways). You ARE required after phase 1 is complete. It is explained very clearly in the FAR AIM. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Allan Macklem" <awmacklem(at)cox.net>
Subject: Contacts Wanted
Date: Jun 19, 2013
I would like to contact both Lowell Frank and Roman Bukolt (or anyone else who is actually flying a Piet with a Riblett 612 airfoil. I am interested in possibly widening the center section to 3 feet and shortening the wings 12 feet 6 inches (as suggested by Bill Rewey). Can someone please help me with their email addresses. Allan Macklem Low N Slow in Elkhorn, NE AWMacklem(at)cox.net 402.880.6559 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 19, 2013
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ELT requirement
The outdated 121.5 mhz Elts are still enough to make you legal, and are available used for pretty cheap. I had the one I use given to me by someone that had updated to the newer version. The 121.5 units don't really do much good. The guy in the hangar next door set his off accidently while doing some maintenance, and it went off for 5 days in his hangar before he was able to shut it off, and nobody except us hangar bums even checked on it. I use a Spot GPS device for safety. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Narco-ELT-10-System-w-Tray-and-Antenna-/370834214299?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item5657710d9b&vxp=mtr As Douwe said, you can spend your phase 1 time shopping and planning the installation. Ben Charvet (coming to Brodhead by car) On 6/18/2013 11:00 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > > Hey Larry, > > You absolutely are NOT required to have an ELT installed during phase 1 flight testing, if you do not carry a passenger (which you aren't really supposed to anyways). You ARE required after phase 1 is complete. It is explained very clearly in the FAR AIM. > > Douwe > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Contacts Wanted
Date: Jun 19, 2013
Lowell monitors this list. If he does not pipe up, I can send his contact info. Roman passed away about a year ago. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jun 19, 2013, at 8:18 AM, "Allan Macklem" wrote: > I would like to contact both Lowell Frank and Roman Bukolt (or anyone else who is actually flying a Piet with a Riblett 612 airfoil. I am interested in possibly widening the center section to 3 feet and shortening the wings 12 feet 6 inches (as suggested by Bill Rewey). > > Can someone please help me with their email addresses. > > Allan Macklem > Low N Slow in Elkhorn, NE > AWMacklem(at)cox.net > 402.880.6559 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine out..
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jun 19, 2013
Yeah... thanks Shad.. I measured back from the fitting, following 43-13 and started the splice based on the rules. I got the replacement spar cut too.. holes marked and waiting on new T88 to show up. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402989#402989 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: My favorite Brodhead pic
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 19, 2013
I don't know who took this but it's from the 2011 flyin. Just because my ai rplane is in it has nothing to do with it..... Matt Paxton ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 19, 2013
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Brodhead pictures
Here are a couple of my screensaver photos which I took at Brodhead. However, unfortunately, I have never been there during the Piet gathering. THAT IS ABOUT TO CHANGE!!! I have already booked a flight, etc. for the pilgrimage to this year's gathering. I am even ready to endure the fish boil if that is a requirement of the initiation. Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS N328X ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 19, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: engine out..
I have only done a spar splice 1 time in A&P school, lots of work to get it right.- Look forward to seeing you flying again soon.=0A-=0AShad=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: bender <jfaith@solairusavia tion.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, June 19, 2 013 9:42 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine out..=0A =0A=0A--> Piete npol-List message posted by: "bender" =0A=0AYe ah... thanks Shad..=0AI measured back from the fitting, following 43-13 and started the splice based on the rules.=0A=0AI got the replacement spar cut too.. holes marked and waiting on new T88 to show up.=0A=0Ajeff=0A=0A=0A =0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtop - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 19, 2013
Okay, here's a batch of Brodhead sunset Piet photos. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403021#403021 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/brodhead2008_188_493.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20090726_260_174.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20090726_211_181.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20090726_158_140.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 19, 2013
Well, just a week ago I passed within about 40 miles of Frazier Lake airport headed south, and on Sunday I passed by it again, headed back north. I drove down to San Luis Obispo from my home in Oregon and back, via Interstate 5. (And yes, Mark Roberts, I completed my master's degree work!) It took me 10 hours to drive to San Luis Obispo from Medford, so I figure it will take me 7 or 8 hours to fly it in Scout. Probably 4 legs, 3 fuel stops. Leave out of Medford at sunup (6 or 7 AM), arrive to the critical eye of the landing judges at 3 in the afternoon. From what I saw, there are some mighty windy spots along the way though. That whole forest of wind turbines around Tracy was a tipoff that it might be slow and bumpy going on that leg, and the clouds of garlic skins flying out of the farm trailers on the highway was another indication that it gets windy as the day warms up. Set the date... I'll put it on the 2014 calendar, and we'll see how the chips fall for me and Scout. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403022#403022 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 19, 2013
Congratulations on your degree Oscar! Well deserved I'm sure. With the turmoil in life right now, I doubt I woulda been able to drive over to meet you, but hopefully at next years West Coast Piet gathering. However, I just applied for a job in madison WI (45 minute drive from Brodhead I have discovered) so I may not be at the event next year... But, with my luch lately, I WILL be which is a good thing too... I need the diet! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403027#403027 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 20, 2013
And there are these magical shots. Not Piets, but taken at Brodhead, at sunset. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403034#403034 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3745_148.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3722_598.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 20, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
Neat Bler oit shots Bill. Thanks, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 20, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
Hi Oscar, I am sure Gary and Chris will probably make the same offer; but if you pass along by Santa Rosa we can put you up fo r the night. Ho pefully my Piet will be ready to make the trip and of course Gary's will be ready. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 20, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
HI Oscar, I forgot to mention that it is about a 2 1/2 hour to 3 hour flight from Santa Rosa to Frazier Lake. Jim Hi Oscar, I am sure Gary and Chris will probably make the same offer; but if you pass along by Santa Rosa we can put you up for the night. Hopefully my Piet will be ready to make the trip and of course Gary's will be ready. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 20, 2013
What??!! ;-) Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2013, at 2:07 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > > Hi Oscar, > > I am sure Gary and Chris will probably make the same offer; but if you pas s along by Santa Rosa we can put you up for the night. Hopefully my Piet wil l be ready to make the trip and of course Gary's will be ready. > > Cheers, > > Jim B. > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Martha Lunken
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 21, 2013
I had a sandwich and coke with Martha Lunken last night. My Piqua, OH EAA chapter met at "The End Zone" in Covington, OH for our monthly meeting. We try to get there at least once a year. All other meetings are held in the Hartzell Hangar at the airport. Martha regularly flies up from Lunken airport in her Cessna 180 for the meeting and flies home the same evening. She will likely by my flight examiner when I go for my Sport License. She told me she once owned a Pietenpol built by Bernard himself. She believes it is now in Wisconsin. Can anyone tell me more about the whereabouts of this aircraft and who owns it? Thanks -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403078#403078 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 21, 2013
From: Charles Burkholder <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Martha Lunken
Interesting. I did my flight exam with her back in Oct. It was as low stress and relaxed as could be. During the test she told me her flying stories of the area....Many times while reading her flying mag articles I wished I could meet her and never dreamed I would be able to fly with her. CB On 06/21/2013 05:08 AM, John Francis wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Francis" > > I had a sandwich and coke with Martha Lunken last night. My Piqua, OH EAA chapter met at "The End Zone" in Covington, OH for our monthly meeting. We try to get there at least once a year. All other meetings are held in the Hartzell Hangar at the airport. > > Martha regularly flies up from Lunken airport in her Cessna 180 for the meeting and flies home the same evening. She will likely by my flight examiner when I go for my Sport License. > > She told me she once owned a Pietenpol built by Bernard himself. She believes it is now in Wisconsin. Can anyone tell me more about the whereabouts of this aircraft and who owns it? > > Thanks > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403078#403078 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Martha Lunken
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 21, 2013
John, That would be NX18224. It is owned by Gary Baglien. Frank Pavliga restored it for him a couple of years ago. I think it was built around 1937 and I think it might have been the last Model A Piet that Mr. Pietenpol built himself. By the time Martha had it in the 70's I don't think it looked much like it did in the 30's. Frank took it back to it's original configuration with the exception of the Waco style wing mounted radiator. Mr. Pietenpol had hung the radiator from the wing just like the Waco 9's and 10's had. I believe Gary wanted the radiator to be more Pietenpol-like so Frank did it that way. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403081#403081 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpol_400_206.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 21, 2013
From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Prop on
Here's some more inspiration. I installed the prop yesterday. I have a couple of minor things to finish up and then one final check before first engine start. If all goes well that will happen today. Here are a couple of pictures. Rick Schreiber NX488RS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Prop on
Date: Jun 21, 2013
Looks great, Rick! You should be ready to fly it to Brodhead next year. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Schreiber Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 7:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop on Here's some more inspiration. I installed the prop yesterday. I have a couple of minor things to finish up and then one final check before first engine start. If all goes well that will happen today. Here are a couple of pictures. Rick Schreiber NX488RS ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Sunrises vs. Sunsets
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 21, 2013
With all this talk about sunsets, I just gotta say I'm pretty partial to the sunrises. There's just something about the calm, still mornings that just can't be described. Just don't pay attention to the dorky look on my face. :D Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403084#403084 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gopr0200smaller_212.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/gopr0161smaller_790.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Martha Lunken
Date: Jun 21, 2013
Gary Baglien has this aircraft hangared in New Richmond, WI and it is beautiful. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Martha Lunken > > John, > > That would be NX18224. It is owned by Gary Baglien. Frank Pavliga > restored it for him a couple of years ago. I think it was built around > 1937 and I think it might have been the last Model A Piet that Mr. > Pietenpol built himself. By the time Martha had it in the 70's I don't > think it looked much like it did in the 30's. Frank took it back to it's > original configuration with the exception of the Waco style wing mounted > radiator. Mr. Pietenpol had hung the radiator from the wing just like the > Waco 9's and 10's had. I believe Gary wanted the radiator to be more > Pietenpol-like so Frank did it that way. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403081#403081 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpol_400_206.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jun 21, 2013
Subject: Re: Sunrises vs. Sunsets
UNCLASSIFIED A photographer buddy described the High Plains differences in the light for sunset and sunrise. If I remember correctly Sunrise is brighter, whiter and crisper light. Sunset is more golden, diffuse (how about that word) and softer. Has to do with the dirt stirred up by farming and heat rising during the day. Blue "diffuse" Skies Steve D On 06/21/13, Don Emch wrote: > > With all this talk about sunsets, I just gotta say I'm pretty partial to the sunrises. There's just something about the calm, still mornings that just can't be described. > > Just don't pay attention to the dorky look on my face. :D > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403084#403084 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/gopr0200smaller_212.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/gopr0161smaller_790.jpg > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jun 21, 2013
Subject: Re: Prop on
UNCLASSIFIED I just love the look of that curved prop! How Classic! Steve D On 06/21/13, Rick Schreiber wrote: > Here's some more inspiration. I installed the prop yesterday. I have a couple of minor things to finish up and then one final check before first engine start. If all goes well that will happen today. > > Here are a couple of pictures. > > Rick Schreiber > NX488RS UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Martha Lunken
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 21, 2013
Thanks guys. I'll let Martha know. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403089#403089 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Prop on
Date: Jun 21, 2013
Looks great, Rick! Good luck... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Schreiber Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 4:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop on Here's some more inspiration. I installed the prop yesterday. I have a couple of minor things to finish up and then one final check before first engine start. If all goes well that will happen today. Here are a couple of pictures. Rick Schreiber NX488RS ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop on
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jun 21, 2013
Looks great.... but I thinks its backwards.... maybe the negative was upside down. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403095#403095 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 21, 2013
Thanks for the offers, gents. My hope would be to fly straight on down to the fly-in site all in one shot, but if the midday winds kick up as high as I saw them around Tracy where the 205 and the 5 triangulate, I would strongly consider stopping in Santa Rosa for the evening. Or maybe that's not the Air Camper way? Do we soldier on, in the face of adversity, and take the pummelling no matter what? Is that what Bernard would have done (or what "Axel" Purtee does)? Maybe I just need to man up and do it, wind or no wind ;o) I have a year to get toughened up, in any case ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403099#403099 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop on
From: "namrednos" <namrednos(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 21, 2013
Its a Corvair, they turn counter-clock-wise with out a cam change Scott -------- Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403111#403111 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop on
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 21, 2013
Wow Rick, I count 7 airplanes it that hanger. Just amazing. The Piet look the best if you ask me. Good luck on the engine run. Don't forget to tie the tail down so it won't fall over on its nose. I have seen it happen to the same guy more than once. Thorp T-18 without wings attached since you were going to ask anyway. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403117#403117 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: O-200 prop for sale
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 21, 2013
Disclaimer: I am not selling this prop and I do not know much about it. In the garage with the A75 that I bought and which now hangs on my airplane, was a polished metal prop that I was not interested in. The family is trying to clear out these items and would like to sell the prop. The only picture I have of it is attached, and I did a little bit of tracking down of the numbers on it with McCauley. The clearest number on it is the Type Certificate TC918, which narrows it down to 13 groups of propellers under that TC. The number 1A102 is also visible on it, and according to McCauley that narrows it down to the Cessna A150, L, M, and 150L, M. Of that bunch, the C-150L was the most produced model, so I assume that's what it fits. In that case, it is probably a 69x48 for the O-200. However, it may have been cut down or modified from stock. There is currently one such prop listed on Barnstormers for $850 but I suspect it is in much better condition than the one I'm referring to. I have no other information on this prop. Call Tom Campbell, (210)325-9599 in San Antonio, TX if you need more info. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403121#403121 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3140011_179.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Prop on
Date: Jun 21, 2013
The same guy? ...and I thought I was slow learner... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop on --> Wow Rick, I count 7 airplanes it that hanger. Just amazing. The Piet look the best if you ask me. Good luck on the engine run. Don't forget to tie the tail down so it won't fall over on its nose. I have seen it happen to the same guy more than once. Thorp T-18 without wings attached since you were going to ask anyway. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403117#403117 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Martha Lunken
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 21, 2013
After seeing the picture Martha says, "Oh, and would you ask Mr. Emch to tell Gary Baglian I LOVE my airplane." -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403123#403123 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Successful engine start
From: Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jun 22, 2013
We had a successful engine start on the corvair today! If I get time tonight I will post a you tube video. Rick Schreiber NX478RS Sent from my iPad ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Successful engine start
Date: Jun 22, 2013
CONGRATULATIONS!! What a great feeling, eh? Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 12:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Successful engine start We had a successful engine start on the corvair today! If I get time tonight I will post a you tube video. Rick Schreiber NX478RS Sent from my iPad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Successful engine start
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2013
This is great, Rick. Congratulations! Ken On Jun 22, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Rick wrote: > > We had a successful engine start on the corvair today! If I get time tonight I will post a you tube video. > > Rick Schreiber > NX478RS > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 22, 2013
From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: First engine start on You Tube
I just downloaded the first engine start on You Tube here's the link http://youtu.be/c3_uuRMmz5Y The battery I was using was a loaner and a little on the weak side. I need to go ahead and buy the Odyssey 680 now. The engine has been timed with a timing light now and starts up easily. As those who have gone through an engine build know, what a fantastic feeling this is! The prop I am using is a loaner from Jay Anderson at Cloudcars. Its actually Kevin Purtee's first prop. The dimensions are 68 x 30. Kevin changed over to a coarser pitch of 34 inches and sent this back to Jay. I will probably also go to 68 x 34 depending on how this one performs. I am hoping to keep the WOT in the air at 2800 RPM. I have not run this prop and engine to static rpm yet. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Successful engine start
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 22, 2013
Great! Congratulations Rick. ..................Which way did the prop turn? Dan Helsper puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:18 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Successful engine start We had a successful engine start on the corvair today! If I get time tonigh t I will post a you tube video. Rick Schreiber NX478RS Sent from my iPad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Successful engine start
From: Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jun 22, 2013
It turned both ways, just watch the You Tube video. Sent from my iPad On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:56 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > Great! Congratulations Rick. ..................Which way did the prop turn ? > > > Dan Helsper > puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:18 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Successful engine start > > > We had a successful engine start on the corvair today! If I get time tonig ht I > will post a you tube video. > > Rick Schreiber > NX478RS > > Sent from my iPad > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First engine start on You Tube
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2013
Great video Rick! An inspiration to all of us. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403177#403177 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First engine start on You Tube
From: "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2013
Hey, how come no music? [Laughing] Sounds really nice. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403178#403178 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First engine start on You Tube
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 22, 2013
Way to go, Rick! Big day for you. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403180#403180 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First engine start on You Tube
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 22, 2013
Looks and sounds great! Congrats! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403181#403181 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 23, 2013
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Rick - Engine start
Congratulations Rick. It is a special day when the airplane makes the airplane noise. Joe Swithin Morris, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What oil in a Corvair?
From: "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net>
Date: Jun 23, 2013
So Rotella T 15-40 is the oil of choice for the Corvair? Any Corvair even a non WW conversion? Thanks. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403240#403240 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First engine start on You Tube
From: "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net>
Date: Jun 23, 2013
Congratulations! Sounds great! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403241#403241


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