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Date: Jun 23, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: What oil in a Corvair?
Thats what we use, and it works good. 330 hrs, and the filters are still clean at oil changes, no chunks of metal. We are running a 12 plate corvair oil cooler (from the corvair van I think), and the oil temp runs around 425-450 on 95+ degree days (400 at 75-80 degree day), measured in the pan. CHT about 325-350 on the same day. Shad -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 6/23/13, Larry Vetter wrote: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What oil in a Corvair? To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Date: Sunday, June 23, 2013, 6:31 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Vetter" So Rotella T 15-40 is the oil of choice for the Corvair? Any Corvair even a non WW conversion? Thanks. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403240#403240 Email Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First engine start on You Tube
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 23, 2013
How fun Rick! Congratulations. Great feeling for all of us! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403266#403266 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Martha Lunken
From: "stearmandriver" <pwr2800(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 24, 2013
Hello folks, I can add a Martha story. Around 1994, I believe, I was flying for Rhoades Aviation in Columbus Indiana, It was time for me to get typed in the Douglas Sleeper Transport. aka DC-3. I flew to Lunken with the Chief Pilot to meet Martha and do the type/ATP ride. Nervous as heck, this is a big day, we proceed to her office. Nice big desk, nice office, in walks Martha. The oral exam is starting! She can see that I'm scared to death. She eases into her big leather seat, opens up the AIM/FAR. Looks up and over the top of the book and asks....."Dave, do you think my butt looks big in these jeans?" First question of the most important type ride of my life, and this is the way it starts! She made me feel so at ease... The rest of the day was a breeze! What a lady! What an advocate for GA. The FAA lost a great examiner the day she retired. Good to see she still is a D.E. Hope I did not bore anyone, and I look forward to getting home from this trip and picking up my wing wood and fuselage steel. Best Regards, Dave Hughes Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403270#403270 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sunset - send in your favorite photo
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: Jun 24, 2013
Sun setting to the West landing Rwy 17 at CJL5 -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403278#403278 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/plane3_405.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "l.morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: ELT requirement
Date: Jun 24, 2013
I ended up putting the ELT unit under the pilot's seat and the ground plane & antenna just behind the pilot's seatback, similar to Jack's. Whether an ELT is required seems to be up to your individual DAR's interpretation of the FAR. Mine said I am not conducting training, so I need an ELT regardless of how close or far I am from the airport. Also, I tried to say it was part of the design and testing of the aircraft, but no joy on that one either. I bought a new ELT from ACS for $199.. Had access to older ones, but by the time I modified them and renewed batteries, it was about as cheap to get the new one. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT requirement > > The outdated 121.5 mhz Elts are still enough to make you legal, and are > available used for pretty cheap. I had the one I use given to me by > someone that had updated to the newer version. The 121.5 units don't > really do much good. The guy in the hangar next door set his off > accidently while doing some maintenance, and it went off for 5 days in his > hangar before he was able to shut it off, and nobody except us hangar bums > even checked on it. I use a Spot GPS device for safety. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Narco-ELT-10-System-w-Tray-and-Antenna-/370834214299?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item5657710d9b&vxp=mtr > > As Douwe said, you can spend your phase 1 time shopping and planning the > installation. > > Ben Charvet > (coming to Brodhead by car) > > > On 6/18/2013 11:00 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: >> >> >> Hey Larry, >> >> You absolutely are NOT required to have an ELT installed during phase 1 >> flight testing, if you do not carry a passenger (which you aren't really >> supposed to anyways). You ARE required after phase 1 is complete. It is >> explained very clearly in the FAR AIM. >> >> Douwe >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 24, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: nose bowl for N92GB
Ken, The rough measurements are: 24" wide, 23" tall (at the back), and 5" depth. The cooling openings are roughly 8" wide (at top and bottom edges) and 6 " tall. I would recomend widening the nosebowl to 27"-28" or so to get it out to the width of the valve covers. I believe this is what Kurt Shipman did with his, and it does look a little more streamlined and less cumbersome. Our cooling shroud is just a stock corvair fan shroud with the top closed in with a piece of sheet metal, and a "scoop" over the starter for clearance. Read up in the Tony Bingalis books for the method of mounting the nosebowl during fitting/trimming. A plywood disk or foam disk was used to hold the nose bowl in place centered on the prop hub cutout. If Dad has any pictures of him building it I will forward them to you. Hope this helps. Shad Ken Bickers wrote: Subject: nose bowl To: "shad bell" Date: Sunday, June 23, 2013, 11:25 PM Shad, I'm emailing in the hope that you can help with some measurements of your Pietenpol nose bowl. I'm close to being ready to make one, and as I think you know have long admired the one your dad made. If you have a moment, the measurements that would be most helpful are the width, height, depth, intake dimensions, and location of the intake and prop hub holes above/below the horizontal center line and, in the case of the intake holes, the location away from the vertical center line. I'm hoping you and your dad subscribe to the motto that Imitation is the best form of flattery. Cheers, Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 24, 2013
Subject: Re: nose bowl for N92GB
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Shad, Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is very helpful. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:00 AM, shad bell wrote: > > Ken, The rough measurements are: > 24" wide, 23" tall (at the back), and 5" depth. The cooling openings are > roughly 8" wide (at top and bottom edges) and 6 " tall. I would recomend > widening the nosebowl to 27"-28" or so to get it out to the width of the > valve covers. I believe this is what Kurt Shipman did with his, and it > does look a little more streamlined and less cumbersome. Our cooling > shroud is just a stock corvair fan shroud with the top closed in with a > piece of sheet metal, and a "scoop" over the starter for clearance. Read > up in the Tony Bingalis books for the method of mounting the nosebowl > during fitting/trimming. A plywood disk or foam disk was used to hold the > nose bowl in place centered on the prop hub cutout. If Dad has any > pictures of him building it I will forward them to you. Hope this helps. > > Shad > > > Ken Bickers wrote: > > Subject: nose bowl > To: "shad bell" > Date: Sunday, June 23, 2013, 11:25 PM > > Shad, > I'm emailing in the hope that you > can help with some measurements of your Pietenpol nose bowl. > I'm close to being ready to make one, and as I think > you know have long admired the one your dad made. > > If you have a moment, the measurements > that would be most helpful are the width, height, depth, > intake dimensions, and location of the intake and prop hub > holes above/below the horizontal center line and, in the > case of the intake holes, the location away from the > vertical center line. > > I'm hoping you and your dad > subscribe to the motto that Imitation is the best form of > flattery. > Cheers, Ken > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ELT requirement
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 24, 2013
You guys are correct by stating that ELT's are not required during Phase 1 test flights. However, If you do not have one in the plane for the inspection you will need to contact the DAR or FAA again for a second inspection to verify the installation. This could incur another upcharge from the DAR. at least this is what I have encountered out here on the left coast. I am an EAA Tech Counsoler so I see this question quite often. It is more seamless to just have it already in the plane from the start. My three cents, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403306#403306 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 24, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: First engine start on You Tube
Great Job Rick. Nice sounding engine and as always, these are the kinds of videos that keep those of us STILL building motivated.- I am also slightl y dissapointed that you did not over-dub some lame, obnoxius music over the entire clip...=0A=0AMust feel like quite the accomplishment, good for you! =0A=0A=0A-=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww .karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 24, 2013
From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: First engine start on You Tube
On 6/24/2013 9:57 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Great Job Rick. Nice sounding engine and as always, these are the > kinds of videos that keep those of us STILL building motivated. I am > also slightly dissapointed that you did not over-dub some lame, > obnoxius music over the entire clip... > > Must feel like quite the accomplishment, good for you! > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > Michael, Whats really great now is that I don't have to sit in the cockpit and make fake engine noises anymore!!!! I just got through ordering a Odyssey PC680 battery so I don't have to jump start anymore. Rick Schreiber NX478RS ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 24, 2013
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Martha Lunken
I took my Sport Pilot checkride with Martha Lunken August 2010 in 6186L at Red Stewart.=0AWhat a day to remember.- She arrived in the morning in her Cessna 180.- For such a mature lady, she sure knows her way around compu ters.- We had problems with the IACRA website and she was able to trouble shoot the issue and get the show on the road.=0A=0AOne memorable part of th e checkride was the departure stall.- She insisted on a full power stall. .. which we never did in this Piet since the CG was so far aft. Those pesky unrecoverable spins and all.- When I babied the stick back, she took ove r and gave the stick a quick yank into "key parts" of my anatomy.- I thin k she grumbled something about a wimp.- I thought I was busted.- I wasn 't giving up though.- After the flight, she asked how I thought I did... I said... "I would pass me!"- She laughed.- She passed me that day, so I decided to get a subscription to flying magazine.- By far, she has the best articles.=0A=0A=0AAndy Abreu=0A6186L=0AKTDZ=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A From: Charles Burkholder <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.ne t>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:50 A M=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Martha Lunken=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Charles Burkholder =0A=0AIntere sting. I did my flight exam with her back in Oct. It was as low =0Astress a nd relaxed as could be. During the test she told me her flying =0Astories o f the area....Many times while reading her flying mag articles =0AI wished I could meet her and never dreamed I would be able to fly with =0Aher.=0ACB =0A=0AOn 06/21/2013 05:08 AM, John Francis wrote:=0A> -->- Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Francis"=0A>=0A> I had a sand wich and coke with Martha Lunken last night.- My Piqua, OH EAA chapter me t at "The End Zone" in Covington, OH for our monthly meeting.- We try to get there at least once a year.- All other meetings are held in the Hartz ell Hangar at the airport.=0A>=0A> Martha regularly flies up from Lunken ai rport in her Cessna 180 for the meeting and flies home the same evening.- She will likely by my flight examiner when I go for my Sport License.=0A> =0A> She told me she once owned a Pietenpol built by Bernard himself.- Sh e believes it is now in Wisconsin.- Can anyone tell me more about the whe reabouts of this aircraft and who owns it?=0A>=0A> Thanks=0A>=0A> -------- =0A> John Francis=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403078#403078=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> = ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ELT requirement
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 24, 2013
Still haven't put mine in.....resisting.......arrrrg. I guess I'll just tak e it out of the Aeronca. Its one of those that just slips into a channel fo r installation. I can only fly one airplane at a time anyhow. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> Sent: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 12:19 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT requirement y.org> You guys are correct by stating that ELT's are not required during Phase 1 test flights. However, If you do not have one in the plane for the inspection y ou will need to contact the DAR or FAA again for a second inspection to verify the installation. This could incur another upcharge from the DAR. at least th is is what I have encountered out here on the left coast. I am an EAA Tech Couns oler so I see this question quite often. It is more seamless to just have it al ready in the plane from the start. My three cents, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403306#403306 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 24, 2013
I just measured mine yesterday. Tread width is 52" and the top of the longeron is 49.5" . -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403334#403334 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 24, 2013
I'll be the first to admit that my problems may be as much pilot related as anything, but my re-work includes a spring and a bonafide Matco tailwheel like Mike Groah and Kevin's, placing the wheel further back. My plans-built set up has always been sloppy. Scott - Your width is the same as mine is now, but the longeron height is 3" less...FWIW... Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 12:06 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > I just measured mine yesterday. Tread width is 52" and the top of the longeron is 49.5" . > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403334#403334 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 24, 2013
Gary, I think the tail wheel mod will correct your problem also. What the heck is TWIW? My tail wheel fork is one from Vans. Non-swival. Works very well. An RV-6 builder gave me mine and I adapted it to my airplane. I can take pics next time I am at the airport. Maybe Friday? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403339#403339 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 24, 2013
FWIW ??? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403340#403340 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 24, 2013
Right...corrected by I-phone! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 1:14 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > FWIW ??? > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403340#403340 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Date: Jun 24, 2013
Scott No need to take pictures. There ARE pictures of it on my website. Just say-en....... http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Scott%20Liefeld/images/IMG_5515.JPG Chris -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403351#403351 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 24, 2013
That sure looks like a swivelling tailwheel to me. But what do I know. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403357#403357 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 24, 2013
There's a difference between metric swiveling and US Standard swiveling. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 5:35 PM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > That sure looks like a swivelling tailwheel to me. > But what do I know. > > BC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403357#403357 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: squirrelly on the gear
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 25, 2013
Hi Bill, Gary is right. It is a special US Standard Non-swivel tailwheel fork. Really, it is a non-swivel. I just have a lot of sag in my chains which allows it to turn 90 degrees to either side. It works out very well for me and allows for turning in tight areas even without brakes. Oh, no shimmies either. Come to the west coast Piet gathering next year and I will demonstrate it for you. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403387#403387 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jun 25, 2013
Subject: Re: ELT requirement
UNCLASSIFIED I would really suggest getting the ELT that uses coppertop D cell batteries. They can save you a significant amount of money over the years. Blue Skies, Steve D On 06/24/13, "l.morlock" wrote: > > I ended up putting the ELT unit under the pilot's seat and the ground plane & antenna just behind the pilot's seatback, similar to Jack's. > > Whether an ELT is required seems to be up to your individual DAR's interpretation of the FAR. Mine said I am not conducting training, so I need an ELT regardless of how close or far I am from the airport. Also, I tried to say it was part of the design and testing of the aircraft, but no joy on that one either. > > I bought a new ELT from ACS for $199.. Had access to older ones, but by the time I modified them and renewed batteries, it was about as cheap to get the new one. > > Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:31 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT requirement > > > > > >The outdated 121.5 mhz Elts are still enough to make you legal, and are available used for pretty cheap. I had the one I use given to me by someone that had updated to the newer version. The 121.5 units don't really do much good. The guy in the hangar next door set his off accidently while doing some maintenance, and it went off for 5 days in his hangar before he was able to shut it off, and nobody except us hangar bums even checked on it. I use a Spot GPS device for safety. > > > >http://www.ebay.com/itm/Narco-ELT-10-System-w-Tray-and-Antenna-/370834214299?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item5657710d9b&vxp=mtr > > > >As Douwe said, you can spend your phase 1 time shopping and planning the installation. > > > >Ben Charvet > >(coming to Brodhead by car) > > > > > >On 6/18/2013 11:00 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > >> > >>Hey Larry, > >> > >>You absolutely are NOT required to have an ELT installed during phase 1 flight testing, if you do not carry a passenger (which you aren't really supposed to anyways). You ARE required after phase 1 is complete. It is explained very clearly in the FAR AIM. > >> > >>Douwe > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Ben Charvet, PharmD > >Staff Pharmacist > >Parrish Medical center > > > > > > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 25, 2013
Subject: Re: ELT requirement
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
Just went through conditional. The ELT installed in my Piet has the D batteries. Yes, big money saver, I learned. On Jun 25, 2013 10:15 AM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" < steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote: > steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> > > UNCLASSIFIED > I would really suggest getting the ELT that uses coppertop D cell > batteries. They can save you a significant amount of money over the years. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > On 06/24/13, "l.morlock" wrote: > > > > I ended up putting the ELT unit under the pilot's seat and the ground > plane & antenna just behind the pilot's seatback, similar to Jack's. > > > > Whether an ELT is required seems to be up to your individual DAR's > interpretation of the FAR. Mine said I am not conducting training, so I > need an ELT regardless of how close or far I am from the airport. Also, I > tried to say it was part of the design and testing of the aircraft, but no > joy on that one either. > > > > I bought a new ELT from ACS for $199.. Had access to older ones, but by > the time I modified them and renewed batteries, it was about as cheap to > get the new one. > > > > Larry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 9:31 AM > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT requirement > > > > > > > > > > > >The outdated 121.5 mhz Elts are still enough to make you legal, and are > available used for pretty cheap. I had the one I use given to me by someone > that had updated to the newer version. The 121.5 units don't really do much > good. The guy in the hangar next door set his off accidently while doing > some maintenance, and it went off for 5 days in his hangar before he was > able to shut it off, and nobody except us hangar bums even checked on it. I > use a Spot GPS device for safety. > > > > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Narco-ELT-10-System-w-Tray-and-Antenna-/370834214299?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item5657710d9b&vxp=mtr > > > > > >As Douwe said, you can spend your phase 1 time shopping and planning > the installation. > > > > > >Ben Charvet > > >(coming to Brodhead by car) > > > > > > > > >On 6/18/2013 11:00 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> > > >> > > >>Hey Larry, > > >> > > >>You absolutely are NOT required to have an ELT installed during phase > 1 flight testing, if you do not carry a passenger (which you aren't really > supposed to anyways). You ARE required after phase 1 is complete. It is > explained very clearly in the FAR AIM. > > >> > > >>Douwe > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Ben Charvet, PharmD > > >Staff Pharmacist > > >Parrish Medical center > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What oil in a Corvair?
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 25, 2013
Could be I'm missing something here, but if your oil temps are running over 400F, you probably have a problem; could that actually be 220? -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403421#403421 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: What oil in a Corvair?
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Jun 25, 2013
Tom. I am using rotella. 15 /40 and my temps are 220 to 240, cheers, gardiner " Sent from my iPad On Jun 25, 2013, at 4:47 PM, "tkreiner" wrote: > > Could be I'm missing something here, but if your oil temps are running over 400F, you probably have a problem; could that actually be 220? > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403421#403421 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 25, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: What oil in a Corvair?
oops sorry you are correct 250ish on hot days, good catch, I might have had a fire at 450! Shad -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 6/25/13, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What oil in a Corvair? To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2013, 6:11 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion2(at)gmail.com Tom. I am using rotella. 15 /40 and my temps are 220 to 240, cheers, gardiner " Sent from my iPad On Jun 25, 2013, at 4:47 PM, "tkreiner" wrote: > > Could be I'm missing something here, but if your oil temps are running over 400F, you probably have a problem; could that actually be 220? > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403421#403421 > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: projects near Anchorage, AK
From: "stearmandriver" <pwr2800(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 26, 2013
Hello folks, I will find myself in Anchorage starting tomorrow afternoon (Wednesday). I have a two day layover and was hoping to meet someone working on their Pietenpol project or any aircraft. I understand how pathetic this sounds to some. When I'm not flying I am an airport bum! Beats the heck out of golf! Best Regards, Dave Hughes 513 827-7474 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403445#403445 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Spar
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 26, 2013
New spar, thanks to Jim Boyer, who refuses payment! Gary Sent from my iPhone

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From: Bkemike <bkemike(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Spar
Date: Jun 26, 2013
Jim Boyer is my hero! Sent from a tabula bruja. On Jun 26, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > New spar, thanks to Jim Boyer, who refuses payment! > > Gary > > > Sent from my iPhone >
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Date: Jun 26, 2013
Subject: Re: New Spar
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Pietenpeople are the best! On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Bkemike wrote: > > Jim Boyer is my hero! > > Sent from a tabula bruja. > > > On Jun 26, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > New spar, thanks to Jim Boyer, who refuses payment! > > > > Gary > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >
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From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: New Spar
Date: Jun 26, 2013
That a way to keep 'em in the air, Jim. Gary, I have a wing you could use, j ust needs covering! It will be more than a year till I need it. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Ken Bickers wrote: > Pietenpeople are the best! > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Bkemike wrote: >> >> Jim Boyer is my hero! >> >> Sent from a tabula bruja. >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 26, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: >> >> > New spar, thanks to Jim Boyer, who refuses payment! >> > >> > Gary >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> >
>> > >> > >> >
>> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Spar
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 26, 2013
Thanks, Ray! 'Course, it would be a federal offense for you to come and take it back! ;-) Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Ray Krause wrote: > That a way to keep 'em in the air, Jim. Gary, I have a wing you could use, just needs covering! It will be more than a year till I need it. > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Ken Bickers wrote: > >> Pietenpeople are the best! >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Bkemike wrote: >>> >>> Jim Boyer is my hero! >>> >>> Sent from a tabula bruja. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: >>> >>> > New spar, thanks to Jim Boyer, who refuses payment! >>> > >>> > Gary >>> > >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> >
>>> > >>> > >>> >
>>> >>> >>> ========== >>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> ========== >>> http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> le, List Admin. >>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 26, 2013
Subject: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary
From: John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com>
I'm at the point of my Aircamper project where I need to install an Oil Temperature gage including the capillary (tube) and bulb (sensor at the engine block). I don't know what to buy for this, can you guys help? I realize that many people use an automotive oil temp gage. Being that the capillary is permanantly attached to the gage (according to Tony Bingelis - yes I did my home work), I assume the capillary tube and fittings come with the gage. I realize that an aircraft (Continental A65-8 engine in this case) engine utilizes a temperature bulb that sets inside the oil temp well on the engine block oil temp screen houising , and it is attached using what I would call a compression fitting cap. One of my questions is " if I buy an automotive oil temp gage assembly, will it have the correct fittings to adapt to the existing A65-8 engine?" (if you know what I mean). I also realize that many of today's temperature gages use a temperature sensor instead of the temperature bulb. I assume the automotive sensor fits nicely into the oil screen housing as well. The bottom line is, do I have anything to be concerned with when buying an automotive oil temp gage assembly? So, any thoughts on temperature gage ASSEMBLIES, and CONNECTION at the engine block? While we're at it, same goes for the oil pressure gage assembly. Parts selection will be easier for me on this because we only need to plumb an oil line from the engine block to the gage, using 1/8" copper tubing (again referencing Tony B.). Something interesting that I learned (Tony B.) is that a person should make sure the oil tube fitting at the engine block is restricted to only about a 1/16" diameter hole to minimize loss of oil due to a broken oil line. Thanks, john egan see you at Brodhead - this year I'll be the guy looking at oil gages. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary
Date: Jun 26, 2013
John, I doubt an automotive oil temp bulb would have the right fittings to fit into the oil screen assembly, but it might. I think the oil screen assembly has a 5/8-18 thread. If the automotive temp bulb has the same size thread it should work. On mine I just bought one from ACS, with a 72" capillary tube and it worked fine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary I'm at the point of my Aircamper project where I need to install an Oil Temperature gage including the capillary (tube) and bulb (sensor at the engine block). I don't know what to buy for this, can you guys help? I realize that many people use an automotive oil temp gage. Being that the capillary is permanantly attached to the gage (according to Tony Bingelis - yes I did my home work), I assume the capillary tube and fittings come with the gage. I realize that an aircraft (Continental A65-8 engine in this case) engine utilizes a temperature bulb that sets inside the oil temp well on the engine block oil temp screen houising , and it is attached using what I would call a compression fitting cap. One of my questions is " if I buy an automotive oil temp gage assembly, will it have the correct fittings to adapt to the existing A65-8 engine?" (if you know what I mean). I also realize that many of today's temperature gages use a temperature sensor instead of the temperature bulb. I assume the automotive sensor fits nicely into the oil screen housing as well. The bottom line is, do I have anything to be concerned with when buying an automotive oil temp gage assembly? So, any thoughts on temperature gage ASSEMBLIES, and CONNECTION at the engine block? While we're at it, same goes for the oil pressure gage assembly. Parts selection will be easier for me on this because we only need to plumb an oil line from the engine block to the gage, using 1/8" copper tubing (again referencing Tony B.). Something interesting that I learned (Tony B.) is that a person should make sure the oil tube fitting at the engine block is restricted to only about a 1/16" diameter hole to minimize loss of oil due to a broken oil line. Thanks, john egan see you at Brodhead - this year I'll be the guy looking at oil gages. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 26, 2013
Subject: Re: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary
From: John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com>
Thanks Jack, Could you find the part number or description in ACS? I will search more as well. Before I asked this group, I tried finding these parts in ACS with no luck, I also tried looking for the correct terminology in the 1939 Continental engine manual, I tried searching in Univair, with no luck, and I learned a lot from Tony B. I could go either way, aircraft or automotive...but would like to learn my options. I ran to the auto store during lunch, and the oil temp kit I looked at had a variety of fitting styles in the package. I think it may have had a compression fitting cap that had a slot in the side of it to slip onto the capcapillary, but it was package up and hard to see exactly what was in there. I'm at work right now, and "Lunchtime Aviation" is encroaching into business hours :) Thank all. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Jack Phillips w rote: > John,**** > > ** ** > > I doubt an automotive oil temp bulb would have the right fittings to fit > into the oil screen assembly, but it might. I think the oil screen > assembly has a 5/8-18 thread. If the automotive temp bulb has the same > size thread it should work. On mine I just bought one from ACS, with a 7 2=94 > capillary tube and it worked fine.**** > > ** ** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP**** > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Egan > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:18 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary**** > > ** ** > > I'm at the point of my Aircamper project where I need to install an Oil > Temperature gage including the capillary (tube) and bulb (sensor at the > engine block). I don't know what to buy for this, can you guys help? ** * > * > > **** > > I realize that many people use an automotive oil temp gage. Being that > the capillary is permanantly attached to the gage (according to Tony > Bingelis - yes I did my home work), I assume the capillary tube and > fittings come with the gage. I realize that an aircraft (Continental A65 -8 > engine in this case) engine utilizes a temperature bulb that sets inside > the oil temp well on the engine block oil temp screen houising , and it i s > attached using what I would call a compression fitting cap. One of my > questions is " if I buy an automotive oil temp gage assembly, will it hav e > the correct fittings to adapt to the existing A65-8 engine?" (if you know > what I mean).**** > > **** > > I also realize that many of today's temperature gages use a temperature > sensor instead of the temperature bulb. I assume the automotive sensor > fits nicely into the oil screen housing as well. The bottom line is, do I > have anything to be concerned with when buying an automotive oil temp gag e > assembly?**** > > **** > > So, any thoughts on temperature gage ASSEMBLIES, and CONNECTION at the > engine block?**** > > **** > > While we're at it, same goes for the oil pressure gage assembly. Parts > selection will be easier for me on this because we only need to plumb an > oil line from the engine block to the gage, using 1/8" copper tubing (aga in > referencing Tony B.). Something interesting that I learned (Tony B.) is > that a person should make sure the oil tube fitting at the engine block i s > restricted to only about a 1/16" diameter hole to minimize loss of oil du e > to a broken oil line. **** > > **** > > Thanks,**** > > **** > > john egan**** > > see you at Brodhead - this year I'll be the guy looking at oil gages. *** * > > **** > > **** > > **** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com>
Date: Jun 26, 2013
John, I bought an automotive oil press/temp gauge set from Auto Zone and the fittings that came with it adapted to the 5/8-18 thread on the oil screen just fine. I even ran the engine, low power only, and it did not leak. Problem is the capillary tube did not reach to my rear cockpit. I ended up buying one from Wag-Aero (A-007-000) and the 5' tube reaches with no problem. -------- David Gallagher Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 250+ hours now Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403469#403469 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: New Spar
Date: Jun 26, 2013
Gee, guess you are right, do you have to re-enter Phase I? Rat Sent from my iPad On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Thanks, Ray! 'Course, it would be a federal offense for you to come and ta ke it back! ;-) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Ray Krause wrote: > >> That a way to keep 'em in the air, Jim. Gary, I have a wing you could use , just needs covering! It will be more than a year till I need it. >> >> Ray Krause >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Ken Bickers wrote: >> >>> Pietenpeople are the best! >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Bkemike wrote: >>>> >>>> Jim Boyer is my hero! >>>> >>>> Sent from a tabula bruja. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: >>>> >>>> > New spar, thanks to Jim Boyer, who refuses payment! >>>> > >>>> > Gary >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Sent from my iPhone >>>> >
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Subject: Re: New Spar
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 26, 2013
Gary, Did you just wash your truck or is that rain? I have forgotten what rain look like. Oh, Nice looking paddle tied to your truck. What a great bunch of friends we have. I think you owe Jim a ride. In fact, I will give him a ride for you next June. Continually amazed by the folks on this list, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403477#403477 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Spar
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 26, 2013
no. Just a minor repair. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > Gee, guess you are right, do you have to re-enter Phase I? > > Rat > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > >> Thanks, Ray! 'Course, it would be a federal offense for you to come and t ake it back! ;-) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Ray Krause wrote : >> >>> That a way to keep 'em in the air, Jim. Gary, I have a wing you could us e, just needs covering! It will be more than a year till I need it. >>> >>> Ray Krause >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Ken Bickers wrote: >>> >>>> Pietenpeople are the best! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Bkemike wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Jim Boyer is my hero! >>>>> >>>>> Sent from a tabula bruja. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > New spar, thanks to Jim Boyer, who refuses payment! >>>>> > >>>>> > Gary >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >
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Subject: Re: New Spar
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 26, 2013
Bonafide rain! In fact, I was at Jim & Arlene's house last night, had dinner, but the rain wouldn't stop, so I spent the night and picked up the spar this morning! I am continually humbled by the generosity of fellow builders! Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2013, at 1:34 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Gary, > > Did you just wash your truck or is that rain? I have forgotten what rain look like. Oh, Nice looking paddle tied to your truck. What a great bunch of friends we have. I think you owe Jim a ride. In fact, I will give him a ride for you next June. > > Continually amazed by the folks on this list, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403477#403477 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 26, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: New Spar
What Gary didn't say is he has helped me time my engine; gave me an rocker arm cover, oil cap, and answered lots of questions for me. He also helped m e install the piston/ring/rod assembly into the cylinders; so he has earned the generosity comment. Anyway his Piet is too beautiful to be sitting in the hanger any longer than absolutely necessary. I will take Scott up on that ride next year at the West Coast Piet Flying t hough hopefully I will have mine flying then to. Cheers, Jim =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jun 26, 2013
Subject: Re: New Spar
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Subject: Re: New Spar
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jun 26, 2013
That's kind, Mikee, but I owed an enormous debt to just about everyone there for playing key rolls in helping me to get my Piet done...besides, if I ret urned home with unused cash, my wife might think I didn't need so much next t ime! Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2013, at 2:51 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, L LC]" wrote: > Gary also bought a bunch of us undeserving Infidels breakfast last year in Brodhead at the Sand Burr. A 1st class gentleman > and generous. > > Mike C. > > (and Kevin=99s wife Shelley made Gary some great looking wheel chock s!) > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: 25 Corvair Cores for Sale
Date: Jun 26, 2013
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From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: New Spar
Date: Jun 26, 2013
Ok! Ray Sent from my iPad On Jun 26, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > no. Just a minor repair. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 26, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > >> Gee, guess you are right, do you have to re-enter Phase I? >> >> Rat >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Ray! 'Course, it would be a federal offense for you to come and t ake it back! ;-) >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Ray Krause wrot e: >>> >>>> That a way to keep 'em in the air, Jim. Gary, I have a wing you could u se, just needs covering! It will be more than a year till I need it. >>>> >>>> Ray Krause >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Ken Bickers wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pietenpeople are the best! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Bkemike wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim Boyer is my hero! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from a tabula bruja. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Gary Boothe wrote : >>>>>> >>>>>> > New spar, thanks to Jim Boyer, who refuses payment! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Gary >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >
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Subject: Re: New Spar
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 26, 2013
Gary; I had no idea you were in need of spar material or I'd have chimed in as well. If that spar is Doug fir, I would have offered you any of the six straight, clear, tight-grained DF spar planks that are sitting in my hangar, waiting on my next aviation whim. They are rough milled and just waiting to be run through the planer. However, it looks like you have yourself a new candidate, ready for duty. I will second, third, and fourth the sentiment expressed by so many others: Pietenpeople are simply the best. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403502#403502 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 26, 2013
Somebody mark this day on the calendar, please: I just received official sanction to make the journey to Frazier Lake next June. My dear, sweet, understanding wife didn't even hesitate when I showed her the centerfold spread of pictures in the current issue of BPA Newsletter, showing some of the planes that showed up for the West Coast event this year. I pointed out Scout's similarity to Mike Madrid's airplane and she agreed that "it's cute, just like yours!" A quick and rough check on SkyVector's flight planner shows a do-able route of about 340 nautical, which should be around 8 hours of time including fuel stops, with no wind. A pipe dream, I'm sure, but even with winds I should be able to make it entirely in daylight hours, VFR, but I will need the handheld due to a couple of controlled fields along the way. Let the planning begin. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403503#403503 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 26, 2013
Very cool Oscar! I will look forward to finally meeting you! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403504#403504 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 27, 2013
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Anchorage Piet Project
Not sure who sent the Anchorage note but there is a Piet builder in Anchorage, very nice guy! At least he was building a few years ago. Contact me offlist and I'll see if I can find the contact info. VERY sad to be staying in Oklahoma instead to going to Brodhead!!!! Jim Markle ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anchorage Piet Project
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jun 27, 2013
What Markle! No Brodhead! Very sad... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jun 27, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > > Not sure who sent the Anchorage note but there is a Piet builder in Anchorage, very nice guy! > > At least he was building a few years ago. > > Contact me offlist and I'll see if I can find the contact info. > > VERY sad to be staying in Oklahoma instead to going to Brodhead!!!! Jim Markle > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 27, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary
I believe I bought both oil temp. and pressure gauges from Summit Racing. T hey came with multiple fittings and adapted just fine to my engine. The cap illary tube was more than long enough...I have the excess coiled up in the instrument panel. I am yet to run the engine, so I can't say how these perf orm.=0A=0AIf still interested, I can get you pictures and details.=0A=0A=0A -=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetake raero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 27, 2013
Subject: Re: New Spar
In a message dated 6/26/2013 11:37:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags" Gary; I had no idea you were in need of spar material or I'd have chimed in as well. If that spar is Doug fir, I would have offered you any of the six straight, clear, tight-grained DF spar planks that are sitting in my hangar, waiting on my next aviation whim. They are rough milled and just waiting to be run through the planer. However, it looks like you have yourself a new candidate, ready for duty. I will second, third, and fourth the sentiment expressed by so many others: Pietenpeople are simply the best. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403502#403502 We have the shop slab poured and the building will follow as the rains allow. Reminds me of those old MGM movies when it rained more than sunshine but being on the Gulf its what happens. If you want just crate it all and ship rail or motor freight, cheapest, as Ill be ready to begin as soon as the roof is on and my health continues to stabalize. CMC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary
Date: Jun 27, 2013
P/N 10-11700 $71.00 in ACS 2011 catalog, which is the latest I have Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary Thanks Jack, Could you find the part number or description in ACS? I will search more as well. Before I asked this group, I tried finding these parts in ACS with no luck, I also tried looking for the correct terminology in the 1939 Continental engine manual, I tried searching in Univair, with no luck, and I learned a lot from Tony B. I could go either way, aircraft or automotive...but would like to learn my options. I ran to the auto store during lunch, and the oil temp kit I looked at had a variety of fitting styles in the package. I think it may have had a compression fitting cap that had a slot in the side of it to slip onto the capcapillary, but it was package up and hard to see exactly what was in there. I'm at work right now, and "Lunchtime Aviation" is encroaching into business hours :) Thank all. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: John, I doubt an automotive oil temp bulb would have the right fittings to fit into the oil screen assembly, but it might. I think the oil screen assembly has a 5/8-18 thread. If the automotive temp bulb has the same size thread it should work. On mine I just bought one from ACS, with a 72" capillary tube and it worked fine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary I'm at the point of my Aircamper project where I need to install an Oil Temperature gage including the capillary (tube) and bulb (sensor at the engine block). I don't know what to buy for this, can you guys help? I realize that many people use an automotive oil temp gage. Being that the capillary is permanantly attached to the gage (according to Tony Bingelis - yes I did my home work), I assume the capillary tube and fittings come with the gage. I realize that an aircraft (Continental A65-8 engine in this case) engine utilizes a temperature bulb that sets inside the oil temp well on the engine block oil temp screen houising , and it is attached using what I would call a compression fitting cap. One of my questions is " if I buy an automotive oil temp gage assembly, will it have the correct fittings to adapt to the existing A65-8 engine?" (if you know what I mean). I also realize that many of today's temperature gages use a temperature sensor instead of the temperature bulb. I assume the automotive sensor fits nicely into the oil screen housing as well. The bottom line is, do I have anything to be concerned with when buying an automotive oil temp gage assembly? So, any thoughts on temperature gage ASSEMBLIES, and CONNECTION at the engine block? While we're at it, same goes for the oil pressure gage assembly. Parts selection will be easier for me on this because we only need to plumb an oil line from the engine block to the gage, using 1/8" copper tubing (again referencing Tony B.). Something interesting that I learned (Tony B.) is that a person should make sure the oil tube fitting at the engine block is restricted to only about a 1/16" diameter hole to minimize loss of oil due to a broken oil line. Thanks, john egan see you at Brodhead - this year I'll be the guy looking at oil gages. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jun 27, 2013
Oscar, Your trip down should be a quick one since it is all down hill from Mt Shasta. Getting home could be an uphill battle. I have flown through there. It is fantastic country to see from a Piet. Shasta makes you feel like a tiny little ant on the planet. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403514#403514 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary
Date: Jun 27, 2013
theRocket has the same gauge. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/oiltempgauges1.php John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jun 27, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > P/N 10-11700 $71.00 in ACS 2011 catalog, which is the latest I have > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:35 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary > > Thanks Jack, Could you find the part number or description in ACS? I will search more as well. Before I asked this group, I tried finding these parts in ACS with no luck, I also tried looking for the correct terminology in the 1939 Continental engine manual, I tried searching in Univair, with no luck, and I learned a lot from Tony B. > > I could go either way, aircraft or automotive...but would like to learn my options. I ran to the auto store during lunch, and the oil temp kit I looked at had a variety of fitting styles in the package. I think it may have had a compression fitting cap that had a slot in the side of it to slip onto the capcapillary, but it was package up and hard to see exactly what was in there. > > I'm at work right now, and "Lunchtime Aviation" is encroaching into business hours :) > > Thank all. > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > John, > > I doubt an automotive oil temp bulb would have the right fittings to fit into the oil screen assembly, but it might. I think the oil screen assembly has a 5/8-18 thread. If the automotive temp bulb has the same size thread it should work. On mine I just bought one from ACS, with a 72=94 capillary tube and it worked fine. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:18 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary > > I'm at the point of my Aircamper project where I need to install an Oil Temperature gage including the capillary (tube) and bulb (sensor at the engine block). I don't know what to buy for this, can you guys help? > > I realize that many people use an automotive oil temp gage. Being that the capillary is permanantly attached to the gage (according to Tony Bingelis - yes I did my home work), I assume the capillary tube and fittings come with the gage. I realize that an aircraft (Continental A65-8 engine in this case) engine utilizes a temperature bulb that sets inside the oil temp well on the engine block oil temp screen houising , and it is attached using what I would call a compression fitting cap. One of my questions is " if I buy an automotive oil temp gage assembly, will it have the correct fittings to adapt to the existing A65-8 engine?" (if you know what I mean). > > I also realize that many of today's temperature gages use a temperature sensor instead of the temperature bulb. I assume the automotive sensor fits nicely into the oil screen housing as well. The bottom line is, do I have anything to be concerned with when buying an automotive oil temp gage assembly? > > So, any thoughts on temperature gage ASSEMBLIES, and CONNECTION at the engine block? > > While we're at it, same goes for the oil pressure gage assembly. Parts selection will be easier for me on this because we only need to plumb an oil line from the engine block to the gage, using 1/8" copper tubing (again referencing Tony B.). Something interesting that I learned (Tony B.) is that a person should make sure the oil tube fitting at the engine block is restricted to only about a 1/16" diameter hole to minimize loss of oil due to a broken oil line. > > Thanks, > > john egan > see you at Brodhead - this year I'll be the guy looking at oil gages. > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 27, 2013
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
Wow... thats great news Oscar.- I look forward to seeing you there next J une.- =0A=0AMike Groah=0A414MV=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________________ ____=0A From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matron ics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:43 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List : Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message poste d by: "taildrags" =0A=0ASomebody mark this day on th e calendar, please: I just received official sanction to make the journey t o Frazier Lake next June.- My dear, sweet, understanding wife didn't even hesitate when I showed her the centerfold spread of pictures in the curren t issue of BPA Newsletter, showing some of the planes that showed up for th e West Coast event this year.- I pointed out Scout's similarity to Mike M adrid's airplane and she agreed that "it's cute, just like yours!"=0A=0AA q uick and rough check on SkyVector's flight planner shows a do-able route of about 340 nautical, which should be around 8 hours of time including fuel stops, with no wind.- A pipe dream, I'm sure, but even with winds I shoul d be able to make it entirely in daylight hours, VFR, but I will need the h andheld due to a couple of controlled fields along the way.- Let the plan ning begin.=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga=0AMedford, OR=0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0AA75 power=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403503#403503=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================0A =================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 27, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Fly-In 2014
Good deal Oscar; looking forward to seeing you and Scout at Frazier Lake next June. Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: projects near Anchorage, AK
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 27, 2013
Dave; The Begich Middle School students there in Anchorage have an Aerial project that they are working on (St. Croix' biplane adaptation of the Air Camper). I think Rob Stapleton was the guy who put that together, but I don't know for sure. Since school is out for the summer, I'm not sure who you might try, but it might be interesting. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403524#403524 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 27, 2013
Subject: Re: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary
From: John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com>
Thank you everyone who has provided information regarding the oil gages. All of this really helps me understand the options, installation concerns, and the like. I'll probably wait until after Brodhead, before buying anything, as I'll see a bunch of good installations there and copy one, now that I know what to buy. You guys have helped me. john On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:02 AM, John Hofmann w rote: > theRocket has the same gauge. > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/oiltempgauges1.php > > > John Hofmann > Vice-President, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2424 American Lane > Madison, WI 53704 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com > > On Jun 27, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Jack Phillips" > wrote: > > ****** > > P/N 10-11700 $71.00 in ACS 2011 catalog, which is the latest I have**** > > ** ** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP**** > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner- > pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Egan > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:35 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary**** > > ** ** > > Thanks Jack, Could you find the part number or description in ACS? I > will search more as well. Before I asked this group, I tried finding the se > parts in ACS with no luck, I also tried looking for the correct terminolo gy > in the 1939 Continental engine manual, I tried searching in Univair, with > no luck, and I learned a lot from Tony B. **** > > **** > > I could go either way, aircraft or automotive...but would like to learn m y > options. I ran to the auto store during lunch, and the oil temp kit I > looked at had a variety of fitting styles in the package. I think it may > have had a compression fitting cap that had a slot in the side of it to > slip onto the capcapillary, but it was package up and hard to see exactly > what was in there.**** > > **** > > I'm at work right now, and "Lunchtime Aviation" is encroaching into > business hours :) **** > > **** > > Thank all. **** > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Jack Phillips > wrote:**** > > John,**** > > **** > > I doubt an automotive oil temp bulb would have the right fittings to fit > into the oil screen assembly, but it might. I think the oil screen > assembly has a 5/8-18 thread. If the automotive temp bulb has the same > size thread it should work. On mine I just bought one from ACS, with a 7 2=94 > capillary tube and it worked fine.**** > > **** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP**** > > ****Smith Mountain Lake**, **Virginia******** > > **** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Egan > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:18 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Oil Temp Bulb and Capillary**** > > **** > > I'm at the point of my Aircamper project where I need to install an Oil > Temperature gage including the capillary (tube) and bulb (sensor at the > engine block). I don't know what to buy for this, can you guys help? ** * > * > > **** > > I realize that many people use an automotive oil temp gage. Being that > the capillary is permanantly attached to the gage (according to Tony > Bingelis - yes I did my home work), I assume the capillary tube and > fittings come with the gage. I realize that an aircraft (Continental A65 -8 > engine in this case) engine utilizes a temperature bulb that sets inside > the oil temp well on the engine block oil temp screen houising , and it i s > attached using what I would call a compression fitting cap. One of my > questions is " if I buy an automotive oil temp gage assembly, will it hav e > the correct fittings to adapt to the existing A65-8 engine?" (if you know > what I mean).**** > > **** > > I also realize that many of today's temperature gages use a temperature > sensor instead of the temperature bulb. I assume the automotive sensor > fits nicely into the oil screen housing as well. The bottom line is, do I > have anything to be concerned with when buying an automotive oil temp gag e > assembly?**** > > **** > > So, any thoughts on temperature gage ASSEMBLIES, and CONNECTION at the > engine block?**** > > **** > > While we're at it, same goes for the oil pressure gage assembly. Parts > selection will be easier for me on this because we only need to plumb an > oil line from the engine block to the gage, using 1/8" copper tubing (aga in > referencing Tony B.). Something interesting that I learned (Tony B.) is > that a person should make sure the oil tube fitting at the engine block i s > restricted to only about a 1/16" diameter hole to minimize loss of oil du e > to a broken oil line. **** > > **** > > Thanks,**** > > **** > > john egan**** > > see you at Brodhead - this year I'll be the guy looking at oil gages. *** * > > **** > > **** > > **** > > * ***** > > * ***** > > ** ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List***** > > *http://forums.matronics.com***** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution***** > > * ***** > > * * > > * * > > *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > *ttp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > ** ** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution > * > > ****** > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cable exit fairings/patches?
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Jun 28, 2013
Looking for ides on how the cover up the holes as the cable go thru the fabric on the fusalage. Im thinking leather patches would be easiest and clean, but how do you attach them? i assume glue, but what kind. Ive seen some sewn on, but how do you get to the inside of the fuse ? Pictures/ideas appreciated. -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403559#403559 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_2_812.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Cable exit fairings/patches?
Date: Jun 28, 2013
Chris, I used aluminum reinforcement with fabric patches for my cable exit holes, but for the leather patches protecting the stabilizer leading edges from the chafing of the elevator cables, I just glued the leather on with Poly-Fiber's "Poly-Tak" glue. It sticks to fabric very well. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable exit fairings/patches? Looking for ides on how the cover up the holes as the cable go thru the fabric on the fusalage. Im thinking leather patches would be easiest and clean, but how do you attach them? i assume glue, but what kind. Ive seen some sewn on, but how do you get to the inside of the fuse ? Pictures/ideas appreciated. -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403559#403559 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_2_812.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jun 28, 2013
Subject: Cable exit fairings/patches?
Chris-- I used Rich Corinthian fake naugahyde vinyl and followed the instru ctions on a can of contact cement and it worked well. After about 10 years of flying the edges of the patch es started to pull up. I suppose oil, slipstream, and the elements helped that along. Mike C. PS-- for where the aileron cables exit the wing I simply cut a tiny + at th ose points and they haven't frayed or opened up at all. Very pleased with how that worked out. Thank you Bill Klosz...aga in. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Cable exit fairings/patches?
Date: Jun 28, 2013
Stewart Systems DVDs show an interesting and good way or doing this and you don't have to buy much (except the DVD). I tried to copy it and attach it to this E-mail but can't do it. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable exit fairings/patches? > > > Looking for ides on how the cover up the holes as the cable go thru the > fabric on the fusalage. Im thinking leather patches would be easiest and > clean, but how do you attach them? i assume glue, but what kind. Ive seen > some sewn on, but how do you get to the inside of the fuse ? > Pictures/ideas appreciated. > > -------- > NX321LR > ON THE FINAL PUSH!! > Mitsubishi Powered > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403559#403559 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_2_812.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Cable exit fairings/patches?
Date: Jun 28, 2013
Deerskin patches glued on with Gorilla Glue, and coated with leather oil. I had to remove a couple for my wing repair and they were securely fastened with the glue. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable exit fairings/patches? --> Looking for ides on how the cover up the holes as the cable go thru the fabric on the fusalage. Im thinking leather patches would be easiest and clean, but how do you attach them? i assume glue, but what kind. Ive seen some sewn on, but how do you get to the inside of the fuse ? Pictures/ideas appreciated. -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403559#403559 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_2_812.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 28, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Cable exit fairings/patches?
I used Dad's methood for cable exits, Cut out a teardrop shaped piece of fabric and the leather patch about 1/2-1 inch edge distance all the way around (Fabric bigger than leather). Sew the leather to the bare fabric with rib lacing chord, Than cement the leather/fabric patch on the airplane. It will never peel off. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: A place to go, Shuttleworth Collection
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 28, 2013
If you did't see it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV7nFXhL8QY Enjoy not archive -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403567#403567 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cable exit fairings/patches?
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Jun 28, 2013
Great info everybody, Thanks! -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403572#403572 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 28, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Oil Temp. Oil Press. Option
All right, I was not able to locate my receipt for my gauges, however I did order them from Summit Racing.- Both are black faced, 2" gauges with bla ck bezels. Oil pressure range is 0-100 PSI and temp. is 120-340 deg. F.- White numbers, red pointer.- The pressure gauge is connected using 1/8" t ubing.- The pictures show the temp. gauge at engine and backside if instr ument panel.- I did not take front pictures as I am not ready to disclose my instrument panel...sorry.=0A=0A=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 25 Corvair Cores for Sale
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 28, 2013
Dang!! I wish I lived near Utah! There's a few corvairs there! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403603#403603 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firewall ply thickness
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Jun 29, 2013
Just a quick question please! I have seen some people use 1/4 inch ply and some 1/8 inch ply for the firewall. What is the accepted? I have just spent 30mins trolling the archives but cant solve this one. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403613#403613 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Firewall ply thickness
Date: Jun 29, 2013
The plans say to use 1/8-inch ply. Lots of people use 1/8-inch but I have seen 1/4-inch used as well. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:03 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall ply thickness --> Just a quick question please! I have seen some people use 1/4 inch ply and some 1/8 inch ply for the firewall. What is the accepted? I have just spent 30mins trolling the archives but cant solve this one. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403613#403613 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Firewall ply thickness
Date: Jun 29, 2013
Both are acceptable. I used 1/8". One of the best things I did, upon the advice of Jim Boyer, was to glue 'placement dowels' into the framework. That allowed me to slide the firewall on and off (at least 100 times!) while working on other stuff, until no other work could be done. Then glued the firewall in place and cut the dowels flush. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:03 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall ply thickness --> Just a quick question please! I have seen some people use 1/4 inch ply and some 1/8 inch ply for the firewall. What is the accepted? I have just spent 30mins trolling the archives but cant solve this one. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403613#403613 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Peter W Johnson <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: Firewall ply thickness
Date: Jun 29, 2013
Scotty, I used 1/4 inch on both mine. It makes mounting gascolators etc much easier. Cheers Peter Sent from my iPhone On 29/06/2013, at 10:02 PM, "bubbleboy" wrote: > > Just a quick question please! I have seen some people use 1/4 inch ply and some 1/8 inch ply for the firewall. What is the accepted? I have just spent 30mins trolling the archives but cant solve this one. > > Scotty > > -------- > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403613#403613 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firewall ply thickness
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jun 29, 2013
Gary would you have a picture of that? Thanks! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:56 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > Both are acceptable. I used 1/8". One of the best things I did, upon the > advice of Jim Boyer, was to glue 'placement dowels' into the framework. That > allowed me to slide the firewall on and off (at least 100 times!) while > working on other stuff, until no other work could be done. Then glued the > firewall in place and cut the dowels flush. > > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:03 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall ply thickness > > --> > > Just a quick question please! I have seen some people use 1/4 inch ply and > some 1/8 inch ply for the firewall. What is the accepted? I have just spent > 30mins trolling the archives but cant solve this one. > > Scotty > > -------- > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine > at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403613#403613 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firewall ply thickness
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jun 29, 2013
Sorry just found the attachment Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:56 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > Both are acceptable. I used 1/8". One of the best things I did, upon the > advice of Jim Boyer, was to glue 'placement dowels' into the framework. That > allowed me to slide the firewall on and off (at least 100 times!) while > working on other stuff, until no other work could be done. Then glued the > firewall in place and cut the dowels flush. > > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:03 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall ply thickness > > --> > > Just a quick question please! I have seen some people use 1/4 inch ply and > some 1/8 inch ply for the firewall. What is the accepted? I have just spent > 30mins trolling the archives but cant solve this one. > > Scotty > > -------- > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine > at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403613#403613 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: cable exit holes
Date: Jun 29, 2013
Teardrop leather patches, glued on with 3m weatherstripping glue. Douwe Ps. I LOVE YOUR PLANE CHRIS!!!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Firewall ply thickness
Date: Jun 29, 2013
Very handy to be able to remove the firewall while working on rudder pedals, etc! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Firewall ply thickness Gary would you have a picture of that? Thanks! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:56 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > Both are acceptable. I used 1/8". One of the best things I did, upon > the advice of Jim Boyer, was to glue 'placement dowels' into the > framework. That allowed me to slide the firewall on and off (at least > 100 times!) while working on other stuff, until no other work could be > done. Then glued the firewall in place and cut the dowels flush. > > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > bubbleboy > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:03 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall ply thickness > > --> > > Just a quick question please! I have seen some people use 1/4 inch ply > and some 1/8 inch ply for the firewall. What is the accepted? I have > just spent 30mins trolling the archives but cant solve this one. > > Scotty > > -------- > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair > engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403613#403613 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Stupid things I've done, by Mark Roberts
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 29, 2013
So, today was one of those days I finally made it to the shop, and made some good progress on stuff I had been dreading, like the ply covering on the rear of the top turtleneck behind the pilot seat. Great feeling. So what to do next while the epoxy sets...? Hummm... How about the little strips of 1/4 x1/8 between the ply gussets on the top of the fuse toward the tail! Great... Done. Now what? Oh well, why don't I cut the 1/8" ply firewall blank. Ok! But first, lemme tack nail some 1/4" thick "spacers along the front of the fuse sides to represent the thickness of the ply side walls (not installed yet) so I don't make the firewall too narrow. Great idea. Fire up the air compressor, grab the nail gun, and pop 3 LONG nails into each of the spacers along the front strut that the firewall will glue to. I want LONG nails so i can pull them out easily. Finished one side. Move to the right side... Tack the top in place, now the bottom... Now one in the middle to keep it from bowing... Oh, I need to push it forward a bit to be flush with the firewall...hold It there with your thumb, good. Need some back pressure with your middle finger on the back side... Good now shoot the nail. Right through the wood and into that sweet, helpful middle finger, dead center. Good shot! Dead center of the meaty part of the FU finger! It'll heal, in fact, pretty much already had. But the ego.... Oh, the shame of it. I guess I didn't need all the pressure I had turned up on the compressor!! Doap. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403636#403636 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Scotty's Air Camper build in Australia
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Jun 29, 2013
Its been a while since I posted any progress pics on here! Making instrument panels now and about to start undercarriage. Scotty www.scottyspietenpol.com -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403637#403637 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1795_490.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1794_121.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1792_112.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stupid things I've done, by Mark Roberts
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Jun 29, 2013
Are the ply side walls 1/4 as you suggested or 1/8? I havent got the plans in front of me but I thought from memory they were 1/8. But I could be wrong too... Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403638#403638 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firewall ply thickness
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Jun 29, 2013
Chris, Gary and Peter...thank you guys! Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403639#403639 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stupid things I've done, by Mark Roberts
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 29, 2013
No, the sides are 1/8", but there are additional 1/4 x 1/8 strips on top of that which allow for the metal brackets and bolt heads... In fact, I am thinking they are 1/4" thick perhaps.... I cut the firewall even fatter than necessary, so I will rebook at those plans to see it the strips are 1/8" thick or 1/4" along there.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403640#403640 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: another morning flight
Date: Jun 30, 2013
Was blessed with another gorgeous morning flight today. Ground fog hanging in the valleys, ABSOLUTELY still. I just putted around at 2,000rpm with my feet on the rudder not touching the stick and controlling my altitude with tiny touches on the elevator trim button. Super sweet. KEEP AT IT BUILDERS!!! See you all soon!!!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Stupid things I've done, by Mark Roberts
Date: Jun 30, 2013
Mark - If ya aint bleedin', ya aint workin'! Well done! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stupid things I've done, by Mark Roberts --> So, today was one of those days I finally made it to the shop, and made some good progress on stuff I had been dreading, like the ply covering on the rear of the top turtleneck behind the pilot seat. Great feeling. So what to do next while the epoxy sets...? Hummm... How about the little strips of 1/4 x1/8 between the ply gussets on the top of the fuse toward the tail! Great... Done. Now what? Oh well, why don't I cut the 1/8" ply firewall blank. Ok! But first, lemme tack nail some 1/4" thick "spacers along the front of the fuse sides to represent the thickness of the ply side walls (not installed yet) so I don't make the firewall too narrow. Great idea. Fire up the air compressor, grab the nail gun, and pop 3 LONG nails into each of the spacers along the front strut that the firewall will glue to. I want LONG nails so i can pull them out easily. Finished one side. Move to the right side... Tack the top in place, now the bottom... Now one in the middle to keep it from bowing... Oh, I need to push it forward a bit to be flush with the firewall...hold It there with your thumb, good. Need some back pressure with your middle finger on the back side... Good now shoot the nail. Right through the wood and into that sweet, helpful middle finger, dead center. Good shot! Dead center of the meaty part of the FU finger! It'll heal, in fact, pretty much already had. But the ego.... Oh, the shame of it. I guess I didn't need all the pressure I had turned up on the compressor!! Doap. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403636#403636 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scotty's Air Camper build in Australia
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 30, 2013
Scotty; nice work! Very good fit and finish, and it's always so nice to see the rugged simplicity of the Pietenpol fuselage framing. By the way, how much air pressure are you running in those tyres? ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403653#403653 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stupid things I've done, by Mark Roberts
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 30, 2013
Yes, I agree! But I have a VERY healthy respect for that tale saw!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403654#403654 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scotty's Air Camper build in Australia
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Jun 30, 2013
Oscar...yesterday I was running 1015hpa...;o) Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403657#403657 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Model A Diamond Block For Sale
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Jun 30, 2013
I have a Ford Model A Diamond block for sale. Has been cleaned and magafluxed and all good. Have used oil pan, intake, water pump, old rods and other misc. parts. All for $ 600.00 obo. Can bring to Brodhead. If interested or want pictures email me your email and can send pics. Thanks 812-932-9000 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403667#403667 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Emidy" <wemidy(at)cox.net>
Subject: Air Camper Plans
Date: Jun 30, 2013
With all the copies of plans available out there, could someone tell me about the quality of the plans available on the official piet site. Are they a lot better than the original printed plans from the 1930 reproduction by the EAA. How about the corvair engine supplement,good detail or drawing from the 1960's. Thanks, Bill E ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Air Camper Plans
Date: Jun 30, 2013
Bill, I'm not familiar with the reproduction plans from the EAA. I purchased my plans from Don Pietenpol and they are quite adequate. I also purchased the Corvair supplemental, which was useful, but not as a plan for building the actual mount. That mount was designed for a Corvair with the blower on top. I am hoping you will be following the William Wynne Conversion (www.flycorvair.com) and it will be best to use his mount or mount plans. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Emidy Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper Plans With all the copies of plans available out there, could someone tell me about the quality of the plans available on the official piet site. Are they a lot better than the original printed plans from the 1930 reproduction by the EAA. How about the corvair engine supplement,good detail or drawing from the 1960's. Thanks, Bill E ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scotty's Air Camper build in Australia
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Jul 01, 2013
Jerry...I decided to use the saw horse. Might put a couple of bolts through and tie the hell out of it with bungees. What do ya think?..;o) -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403685#403685 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 01, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
While trying to separate a stringer that was already nicely T-88'd to the f uselage tail area of the fuselage, I almost removed my left thumb. I told m yself-: "Move your hand out of the way before the wood chisel bust throug h the wood and removes a finger." But did I? Nope.- I "had" to hold the f uselage just like I was because it was the "best" place to do so while push ing a wood chisel under the stringer.- Pushing, wiggling, pushing, wiggli ng, push...POP!- Off came the stringer, chisel found hand...into thumb bo ne.- I'll save you all the rest of the details, but free movement of the thumb did not return for about 3 weeks, feeling and sensitivity another 3 o r so on top of that...good times.=0A-=0AOh and my wife will get weak, pal e and eventually pass out at the site of blood...=0A-=0AMichael Perez=0AP ietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero.com/=0A=0A > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Alan Coker <Alan.Coker@canal-ins.com>
Subject: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
Date: Jul 01, 2013
I've done that before. Chisel's are deadly. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) While trying to separate a stringer that was already nicely T-88'd to the f uselage tail area of the fuselage, I almost removed my left thumb. I told m yself : "Move your hand out of the way before the wood chisel bust through the wood and removes a finger." But did I? Nope. I "had" to hold the fusel age just like I was because it was the "best" place to do so while pushing a wood chisel under the stringer. Pushing, wiggling, pushing, wiggling, pu sh...POP! Off came the stringer, chisel found hand...into thumb bone. I'l l save you all the rest of the details, but free movement of the thumb did not return for about 3 weeks, feeling and sensitivity another 3 or so on to p of that...good times. Oh and my wife will get weak, pale and eventually pass out at the site of b lood... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero http://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 01, 2013
What?! No pictures?? ;) I posted originally so I could prompt others to post "War Stories" so I wouldn't feel so stupid. I learned something from yours Michael, so thanks for posting! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403715#403715 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 01, 2013
Most of my little war wounds have to do with metal. I never believe that sharp metal edges will get me, that I'll be careful, that it's too far to go across the room to get a pair of gloves, that those edges really aren't all that sharp. They are, and in the rock/paper/scissors world of the shop or hangar, either 6061 or 4130 beats human flesh every time. Then there was the time I stuck an X-Acto knife in my back pocket, just for a minute, to free up my hand for something else. While walking across the room later, the knuckle of my index finger found the razor-sharp knife blade, so the slice was quick and almost painless but I painted the bathroom red before it was all over and the scar will be there forever. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403730#403730 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Items from cleaned out Hangar
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 01, 2013
In order to get the C-90 items for the engine I'm building - intake runners, pistons, etc., I purchased a pallet full of stuff, and some of this is surplus to my project. I've got a dual plug Model A Ford cast aluminum head - asking $400 OBO, a Stromberg NAS3A1 Carb (brass floats NICE condition - supposed to be rebuilt) - asking $325 OBO. Can bring to Brodhead or ship tomorrow. PM me if interested... Don't have pics yet, but can send if you need em. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403732#403732 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Jul 01, 2013
Everybody who has NOT done something stupid (like these anecdotes), stand up. Gee, I wonder why everybody, especially including me, is still sitting down. I'm guessing the only difference among us is the size and visibility of scar tissue and/or the absence of small body parts. I tell my wife, it's not blood, it's "red indicating fluid". Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403737#403737 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 01, 2013
Red indicating fluid!! I'm stealing that one for myself! dgaldrich wrote: > Everybody who has NOT done something stupid (like these anecdotes), stand up. Gee, I wonder why everybody, especially including me, is still sitting down. I'm guessing the only difference among us is the size and visibility of scar tissue and/or the absence of small body parts. > > I tell my wife, it's not blood, it's "red indicating fluid". > > Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403739#403739 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Another Black and Yellow German?
Date: Jul 01, 2013
This weekend Karen and I flew our RV-4 to northern Virginia to attend a wedding. We landed at Winchester and spent Saturday night with some friends there. Sunday morning, the weather was too bad to return to Smith Mountain Lake, so we flew south to Culpeper, where Gene Rambo was nearing completion on his Pietenpol. We were able to help him with a couple of minor tasks, but were unable to fly any further since the weather just got worse. His Model A powered Pietenpol is absolutely gorgeous. Gene and I rolled it out of the hangar and cranked it up and it purrs like a kitten - the smoothest running model A I've ever seen. Since we couldn't fly back home yesterday, Karen and I spent the night with Gene and his family, enjoying a scrumptious steak dinner in the process, and planned to leave this morning. We left, but in a rental car since the weather was low IFR all the way home for us (it is raining at Smith Mountain Lake as I write this). I'll have to get back to Culpeper and retrieve the airplane later this week when the stationary front that has plagued us for the last several days finally moves out to sea. Gene just sent me a text message saying that the FAA has signed off his airplane, and if the rain will hold off he expects the first flight to be tomorrow morning! Now he's got to get busy to fly off the hours so we can fly together to Brodhead in 3 weeks. Maybe when I get back there to retrieve the RV-4 I can help him put a few hours on it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another Black and Yellow German?
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 01, 2013
Thanks for the update Jack... look forward to seeing it. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403748#403748 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another Black and Yellow German?
From: "M. Zeke Zechini" <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 01, 2013
Jack: I am 1/3 share in Piper Comanche based at Manassas. My folks live in Lynchbu rg. Currently getting attitude indicator replaced, but if finished soon, I c ould visit folks, briefly, pop into Smith Mtn Lake, then stop into KCJR on r eturn, drop you off. I am planning on Brodhead..hopefully. Keep my purchased GN-1 at 3VA7. Zeke NX431LA Sent from my iPad On Jul 1, 2013, at 5:22 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote : > This weekend Karen and I flew our RV-4 to northern Virginia to attend a we dding. We landed at Winchester and spent Saturday night with some friends t here. Sunday morning, the weather was too bad to return to Smith Mountain L ake, so we flew south to Culpeper, where Gene Rambo was nearing completion o n his Pietenpol. We were able to help him with a couple of minor tasks, but were unable to fly any further since the weather just got worse. His Model A powered Pietenpol is absolutely gorgeous. Gene and I rolled it out of th e hangar and cranked it up and it purrs like a kitten =93 the smoothes t running model A I=99ve ever seen. > > Since we couldn=99t fly back home yesterday, Karen and I spent the n ight with Gene and his family, enjoying a scrumptious steak dinner in the pr ocess, and planned to leave this morning. We left, but in a rental car sinc e the weather was low IFR all the way home for us (it is raining at Smith Mo untain Lake as I write this). I=99ll have to get back to Culpeper and retrieve the airplane later this week when the stationary front that has pl agued us for the last several days finally moves out to sea. > > Gene just sent me a text message saying that the FAA has signed off his ai rplane, and if the rain will hold off he expects the first flight to be tomo rrow morning! > > Now he=99s got to get busy to fly off the hours so we can fly togeth er to Brodhead in 3 weeks. Maybe when I get back there to retrieve the RV-4 I can help him put a few hours on it. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 01, 2013
In the Navy this was called "true confessions"... So there I was, chiseling a puzzle part (burr puzzle) thinking, gee, if the chisel slips, I'm gonna jab the palm of my hand. Wouldn't that make a nice safety video of what NOT to do? Followed IMMEDIATELY by the chisel slipping. Years later, I'm screwing in a pocket screw with my cordless drill, holding all the parts in VERY much the same fashion as I was the chisel that day about 15 years before, remembering that day... followed IMMEDIATELY by the bit jumping out of the screw and into my palm. I was able to push all the little globules of fat that wrapped around the bit back into the wound before taping it all up. Ya know, when the hair on the back of your head stands up, you should sit down! Like immediately. I'm usually pretty good about that, but it seems EVERY time I don't, wham. It's all the electrical goofs I feel the luckiest to have survived. Not a whole lot different than, I'm pretty sure that mark is in the right place, BUZZ, through the saw it goes... EXACTLY one inch short because I was "smart" enough to use the ruler starting at the one for more accuracy. Always nice to know you're EXACTLY one inch short... Grab a chair and a beer guys, I've got LOTS of these stories... geesh. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403762#403762 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 01, 2013
I love these stories! I don't feel so "alone" :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403764#403764 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 01, 2013
Gosh, Tools- I thought I was the only one who measured starting at the 1" mark! All of my yardsticks and rulers seem to have rounded ends or the first couple of marks are all but obliterated, so I start from the 1" when I need accurate measurements. Accurate to the nearest inch, that is!! I've done it so many times... -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403765#403765 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Another Black and Yellow German?
Date: Jul 02, 2013
Zeke, Thanks for the kind offer (just reinforcing that Pietenpol people are the BEST). Let me know when the Comanche is airworthy again, and if I haven't gotten back to CJR by then I'll take you up on it. I will probably get up there this weekend. I've got a friend who needs a BFR and an Instrument Competency Checkride from me. We may just do them as he flies me up to Culpeper to retrieve the RV-4. But if that doesn't work out and your Comanche gets out of the instrument shop I'll happily fly with you. Will you be flying the GN-1 to Brodhead? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of M. Zeke Zechini Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 8:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Black and Yellow German? Jack: I am 1/3 share in Piper Comanche based at Manassas. My folks live in Lynchburg. Currently getting attitude indicator replaced, but if finished soon, I could visit folks, briefly, pop into Smith Mtn Lake, then stop into KCJR on return, drop you off. I am planning on Brodhead..hopefully. Keep my purchased GN-1 at 3VA7. Zeke NX431LA Sent from my iPad On Jul 1, 2013, at 5:22 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: This weekend Karen and I flew our RV-4 to northern Virginia to attend a wedding. We landed at Winchester and spent Saturday night with some friends there. Sunday morning, the weather was too bad to return to Smith Mountain Lake, so we flew south to Culpeper, where Gene Rambo was nearing completion on his Pietenpol. We were able to help him with a couple of minor tasks, but were unable to fly any further since the weather just got worse. His Model A powered Pietenpol is absolutely gorgeous. Gene and I rolled it out of the hangar and cranked it up and it purrs like a kitten - the smoothest running model A I've ever seen. Since we couldn't fly back home yesterday, Karen and I spent the night with Gene and his family, enjoying a scrumptious steak dinner in the process, and planned to leave this morning. We left, but in a rental car since the weather was low IFR all the way home for us (it is raining at Smith Mountain Lake as I write this). I'll have to get back to Culpeper and retrieve the airplane later this week when the stationary front that has plagued us for the last several days finally moves out to sea. Gene just sent me a text message saying that the FAA has signed off his airplane, and if the rain will hold off he expects the first flight to be tomorrow morning! Now he's got to get busy to fly off the hours so we can fly together to Brodhead in 3 weeks. Maybe when I get back there to retrieve the RV-4 I can help him put a few hours on it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ================================== >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ================================== cs.com ================================== matronics.com/contribution ================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 02, 2013
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
UNCLASSIFIED Oscar and Tools, I just thought that was how it was done. Steve D. On 07/01/13, taildrags wrote: > > Gosh, Tools- I thought I was the only one who measured starting at the 1" mark! All of my yardsticks and rulers seem to have rounded ends or the first couple of marks are all but obliterated, so I start from the 1" when I need accurate measurements. Accurate to the nearest inch, that is!! I've done it so many times... > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403765#403765 > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 02, 2013
In the accidents of this kind I had, what they had in common was that I knew I could be hurt, and I was in an awkard positions, or hurry, or angry for something. -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403788#403788 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
Date: Jul 02, 2013
While laying out a floor to tile it, I forgot to say "burn an inch" while doing the three four five triangle. The other guy who should have known, somehow didn't burn the inch. As we got underway the joints got a little tighter and then tighter still. I couldn't figure it out and then I said, "You did burn an inch didn't you?" The silence was deafening and then he said "Uhhh, no". We finished the floor with spacers, our plan B. Recently while drilling a larger hole in the motor mount piece, you know the one, one inch by three inches by one eighth, I held it down with my left hand while pulling down the drill press handle with my right. Cut a neat one eighth by three quarter inch slice out of my left nose picking finger. Thank God for super glue. Dennis Engelkenjohn -----Original Message----- From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done) UNCLASSIFIED Oscar and Tools, I just thought that was how it was done. Steve D. On 07/01/13, taildrags wrote: > > Gosh, Tools- I thought I was the only one who measured starting at the 1" > mark! All of my yardsticks and rulers seem to have rounded ends or the > first couple of marks are all but obliterated, so I start from the 1" when > I need accurate measurements. Accurate to the nearest inch, that is!! I've > done it so many times... > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403765#403765 > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2013
Note to self- When cutting small wood pieces on the bandsaw, take phone out of pocket and turn it on silent. A few weeks ago I was momentarily distracted at said bandsaw and cut a chunk out of the end of my left middle finger. About a half-dime size chunk. The real problem came when I couldn't get it to stop bleeding after 24 hours. (Curse you, Coumadin!) Ended up In the ER and they got it stopped- $800.00 LATER! I did, however end up with an extra 2 weeks off work. It's hard to turn the tiller with your left dirty finger wrapped. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403853#403853 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Jul 03, 2013
Good thing it wasn't,t your thumb terry. Are you going tobrodhead? Gardiner Sent from my iPad On Jul 3, 2013, at 7:56 AM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > Note to self- > When cutting small wood pieces on the bandsaw, take phone out of pocket and turn it on silent. > > A few weeks ago I was momentarily distracted at said bandsaw and cut a chunk out of the end of my left middle finger. About a half-dime size chunk. > The real problem came when I couldn't get it to stop bleeding after 24 hours. (Curse you, Coumadin!) > Ended up In the ER and they got it stopped- $800.00 LATER! I did, however end up with an extra 2 weeks off work. It's hard to turn the tiller with your left dirty finger wrapped. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403853#403853 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2013
Gardener, I, unfortunately, will be in Accra, Ghana, West Africa. I wish I could. I hope to go to Oshkosh for a few days, though. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403870#403870 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 03, 2013
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
UNCLASSIFIED I was strongly advised by a buddy with two fingers missing on his right hand. "make sure you put your beer on the same side of the band saw as your dominant hand!" On 07/03/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > > Note to self- > When cutting small wood pieces on the bandsaw, take phone out of pocket and turn it on silent. > > A few weeks ago I was momentarily distracted at said bandsaw and cut a chunk out of the end of my left middle finger. About a half-dime size chunk. > The real problem came when I couldn't get it to stop bleeding after 24 hours. (Curse you, Coumadin!) > Ended up In the ER and they got it stopped- $800.00 LATER! I did, however end up with an extra 2 weeks off work. It's hard to turn the tiller with your left dirty finger wrapped. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403853#403853 > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jul 03, 2013
Beer drinking buddies are the most helpful!! Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2013, at 2:06 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" wrote: > > UNCLASSIFIED > I was strongly advised by a buddy with two fingers missing on his right hand. "make sure you put your beer on the same side of the band saw as your dominant hand!" > > On 07/03/13, jarheadpilot82 wrote: >> >> Note to self- >> When cutting small wood pieces on the bandsaw, take phone out of pocket and turn it on silent. >> >> A few weeks ago I was momentarily distracted at said bandsaw and cut a chunk out of the end of my left middle finger. About a half-dime size chunk. >> The real problem came when I couldn't get it to stop bleeding after 24 hours. (Curse you, Coumadin!) >> Ended up In the ER and they got it stopped- $800.00 LATER! I did, however end up with an extra 2 weeks off work. It's hard to turn the tiller with your left dirty finger wrapped. >> >> -------- >> Semper Fi, >> >> Terry Hand >> Athens, GA >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403853#403853 > UNCLASSIFIED > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: repair
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2013
Well. .. got the spar splice done. . Put fabric on top yesterday. . Covered the bottom today. Not that bad of a repair. . Ordered tubing to just build another Axel. .. probably easier than fixing the original. Engine is next. .. flying again soon Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403900#403900 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130618_185825_116.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/20130703_173329_124.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: repair
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2013
Jeff; don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I'm glad nobody can see Scout right now. The wings are still off the airplane and all the inspection covers are off. I still need to make glue repairs to a rib glue joint and a splintered spot on the plywood leading edge of one of the wings before they will be done. The tailwheel is coming off so I can take a slight twist out of the leaf springs that has the tailwheel wearing unevenly. I need to patch a hole that I cut in one of the ailerons to remove a loose piece of hardware that was rattling around in there (a random nutplate). The engine cowlings are off and the plug wires are dangling willy-nilly, since I'm replacing the cooling eyebrows with the new set that I have. The front seat bulkhead is torn out; I'm rebuilding it with a new one, along with Mike Cuy-style rudder stops and an extra brace across the front of it to keep it from ever ungluing again when I "exercise" the rudder bar to its full extents in a crazy crosswind. The turn and bank is out of the panel for overhaul. The braided flex fuel line from the shutoff valve to the gascolator is out of the airplane, to be replaced with aluminum tubing. The aileron control cables are dangling in the cockpit. The ELT battery is out of date and needs to be replaced. The gear legs need touch-up paint, as do two fabric repair patches at the lift strut attach points (still in pink). Gaaa-!!! Will this thing ever fly again? Will the engine even start? Poor Scout!!! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403908#403908 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: repair
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2013
Oh, yeah, and I forgot... the centersection flop is coming off so I can replace the mangled aluminum piano hinge with a steel one. The list of squawks seems to be getting longer instead of shorter, and here we are almost halfway through summer!! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403909#403909 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: repair
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2013
Geez Oscar... I thought for a moment you were describing my last physical. I think I sound more like Scout recently! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403910#403910 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Jeff's repair
Date: Jul 04, 2013
Impressive work Jeff! You are one quick builder my friend! Let us all know what you find with the engine. Fall flying is the best. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: repair
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Jul 04, 2013
Hey Oscar, you are dragging your tail. Get moving and get to work. It will fly again. Gardiner. By the way. What happened to your scout? Was it an accident or just an annual. Sent from my iPad On Jul 4, work.2013, at 12:44 AM, "taildrags" wrote: > > Jeff; don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I'm glad nobody can see Scout right now. The wings are still off the airplane and all the inspection covers are off. I still need to make glue repairs to a rib glue joint and a splintered spot on the plywood leading edge of one of the wings before they will be done. The tailwheel is coming off so I can take a slight twist out of the leaf springs that has the tailwheel wearing unevenly. I need to patch a hole that I cut in one of the ailerons to remove a loose piece of hardware that was rattling around in there (a random nutplate). The engine cowlings are off and the plug wires are dangling willy-nilly, since I'm replacing the cooling eyebrows with the new set that I have. The front seat bulkhead is torn out; I'm rebuilding it with a new one, along with Mike Cuy-style rudder stops and an extra brace across the front of it to keep it from ever ungluing again when I "exercise" the rudder bar to its full extents in a crazy crosswind.! > The turn and bank is out of the panel for overhaul. The braided flex fuel line from the shutoff valve to the gascolator is out of the airplane, to be replaced with aluminum tubing. The aileron control cables are dangling in the cockpit. The ELT battery is out of date and needs to be replaced. The gear legs need touch-up paint, as do two fabric repair patches at the lift strut attach points (still in pink). Gaaa-!!! Will this thing ever fly again? Will the engine even start? Poor Scout!!! > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403908#403908 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 04, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: repair
Oscar if yo u are going to make it to Frazier Lake next June you better get moving! Sounds like the move and winter were a little hard on Scout. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Poly-Fiber
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 05, 2013
Anyone care to lend me the Poly-Fiber DVD? I could also use about a yard of the medium weight fabric to stretch over parts to see how they look. Thanks John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403971#403971 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
Date: Jul 05, 2013
Yes, John, I have a homemade DVD that I copied from the video tape. I guess I got the tape back in the '80s when I was using the Poly-Fibre to redo an old Tripacer that I converted into a PA-20 Pacer (tail-dragger). I can also lend you a Poly-Fibre manual. Give me the information and I will send them to you. Don't have any dacron fabric to donate. I'm not at that stage yet. Chuck cncampbell(at)windstream.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 7:17 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber > > Anyone care to lend me the Poly-Fiber DVD? I could also use about a yard > of the medium weight fabric to stretch over parts to see how they look. > > Thanks > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403971#403971 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
Date: Jul 05, 2013
#2. I can also send a copy of Practical Guide to Aircraft Fabric from Denison Aviation. Suggest also you get a copy of Stewart Systems DVDs. They only cost $20 and, as far as I'm concerned, it is the ONLY way to go when covering an airplane. From experience, the Polytac glue is very difficult to use. You need to put glue on about a foot long and IMMEDIATELY work the fabric into it. The glue dries very quickly. With the Stewart glue, you apply the glue to the surfaces and let it dry before applying the fabric. You can see the basic method on Youtube videos. If you still want the Polytac stuff, let me know. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 7:17 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Poly-Fiber > > Anyone care to lend me the Poly-Fiber DVD? I could also use about a yard > of the medium weight fabric to stretch over parts to see how they look. > > Thanks > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403971#403971 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 05, 2013
Thanks Chuck. You know I could be convinced to use the Stewart System. I know it is very popular here on the Piet forum. I have a friend who is somewhat "old school" and is trying to persuade me to go with the poly-fiber system because it is proven. I need to get off the fence and make my decision. I will look into it a bit further in the next few days. Thanks for offers for now. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403980#403980 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 05, 2013
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
John I agree with Chuck. I've used Stewarts on 3 projects and will never go back to Polyfiber. Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 9:23:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber Thanks Chuck. You know I could be convinced to use the Stewart System. I know it is very popular here on the Piet forum. I have a friend who is somewhat "old school" and is trying to persuade me to go with the poly-fiber system because it is proven. I need to get off the fence and make my decision. I will look into it a bit further in the next few days. Thanks for offers for now. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403980#403980 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: repair
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 05, 2013
Not an incident, not an accident... what we're talking about here is what is referred to as "deferred maintenance". Meaning, I've known about this stuff, some of it came up on the last annual, but I've just been putting things off. Time to take care of all of it. Truth be told, I enjoy working on the airplane a lot, too. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403984#403984 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 05, 2013
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
I wanted the DVD but didnt wanna pay. I bought the book and a starter kit from A/C Spruce. havent strecthed, yet. On Jul 5, 2013 7:19 AM, "John Francis" wrote: > > Anyone care to lend me the Poly-Fiber DVD? I could also use about a yard > of the medium weight fabric to stretch over parts to see how they look. > > Thanks > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403971#403971 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aileron Spar
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 05, 2013
As I am fitting my aileron spar, I'm wondering with such a tight fit how am I going to get glue in it. I then realize that this is a critical glue joint as it appears the piano hinge is bolted to it and at that point the glue on the spar is the only thing holding the aileron to the wing! To assure a good glue joint, I believe I will fit everything up properly, cut the aileron out, then pull the aileron spar straight out and apply glue well. Has anyone else done this? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403986#403986 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspar1_936.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspar2_175.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 05, 2013
Subject: Re: Aileron Spar
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
John, the final fit will be better if you glue the spars in before you cut out the aileron. What I did was to bevel ever so slightly the spars for a half inch just in board of each rib. Then when I was ready to glue in the spars, I offset them temporarily by one half inch. That give me enough clearance to put the glue on the rib surfaces. I also put glue on the spar face and spar top and bottom. Then a nice, gentle shift of the spars for the final half inch, and some clamps to hold things together. Worked easily and strong as can be. Cheers, Ken On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:42 AM, John Francis wrote: > > As I am fitting my aileron spar, I'm wondering with such a tight fit how > am I going to get glue in it. I then realize that this is a critical glue > joint as it appears the piano hinge is bolted to it and at that point the > glue on the spar is the only thing holding the aileron to the wing! > > To assure a good glue joint, I believe I will fit everything up properly, > cut the aileron out, then pull the aileron spar straight out and apply glue > well. Has anyone else done this? > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403986#403986 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspar1_936.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspar2_175.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 05, 2013
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
Go to youtube, there are lots of videos, its more than enough Mario Giacummo 2013/7/5 Marcus Zechini > I wanted the DVD but didnt wanna pay. I bought the book and a starter kit > from A/C Spruce. havent strecthed, yet. > On Jul 5, 2013 7:19 AM, "John Francis" wrote: > >> >> Anyone care to lend me the Poly-Fiber DVD? I could also use about a yard >> of the medium weight fabric to stretch over parts to see how they look. >> >> Thanks >> John >> >> -------- >> John Francis >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403971#403971 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Jul 05, 2013
Another vote for Stewarts. They gave me the complete set of DVDs when I bought some of their stuff. Just finished covering the tail feathers (wings after Brodhead) and the process is much less harmful to whatever brain cells I have left. A lifelong investment in the German and American brewing industry has left some still functioning and I need all I can get. My wife can do both the modified seine knot and the Staggerwing knot that Stewarts teaches and MUCH prefers the Staggerwing. Both are certified. As an aside, Stewart System relies on a fabric to fabric bond so I took a couple of pieces of 2 inch pinked fabricand glued them together with 1 inch overlap. 2 square inches total bond area. I can't pull them apart. Stewart says the fabric will fail before the glue and I believe them. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404018#404018 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead 2013
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 05, 2013
Brodhead's loss was out gain this year at the West Coast Piet Gathering. It was a real surprise and pleasure to meet the both of you at the event this year... I hope to make Brodhead next year myself. Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404024#404024 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "War" Stories (was stupid things I've done)
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 05, 2013
I think you need to make a beer drinking / building assistance trip to Fresno Gary! I'm enjoying a cool one tonight and thinking about heading out to the barn for some varnish fumes as well.... Doap! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404025#404025 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 06, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Brodhead 2013
Hi Kevin and Shelley, We had the pleasure of seeing you at Frazier Lake so will see you again at Brodhead 2014=C2-for sure. Cheers and it was nice seeing and visiting wit h you at Frazier Lake. Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Any Piet folk...?
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 06, 2013
Any known Piet folk or projects in Abu Dhabi? ... Just wondering. Stuck on a layover. How about Yemen? .. (be there tomorrow).. Lar -------- L.Metzel KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 712TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404032#404032 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
Date: Jul 06, 2013
Hi Guys, I did my first Piet in Poly-Fiber, looks like number 2 is going to be in the Stewarts System. Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://repiet.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dgaldrich Sent: Saturday, 6 July 2013 11:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber --> Another vote for Stewarts. They gave me the complete set of DVDs when I bought some of their stuff. Just finished covering the tail feathers (wings after Brodhead) and the process is much less harmful to whatever brain cells I have left. A lifelong investment in the German and American brewing industry has left some still functioning and I need all I can get. My wife can do both the modified seine knot and the Staggerwing knot that Stewarts teaches and MUCH prefers the Staggerwing. Both are certified. As an aside, Stewart System relies on a fabric to fabric bond so I took a couple of pieces of 2 inch pinked fabricand glued them together with 1 inch overlap. 2 square inches total bond area. I can't pull them apart. Stewart says the fabric will fail before the glue and I believe them. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404018#404018 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Aileron Spar
Date: Jul 06, 2013
Yeah, John. I did my aileron spars about the same as Ken did and the procedure works fine. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bickers To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Spar John, the final fit will be better if you glue the spars in before you cut out the aileron. What I did was to bevel ever so slightly the spars for a half inch just in board of each rib. Then when I was ready to glue in the spars, I offset them temporarily by one half inch. That give me enough clearance to put the glue on the rib surfaces. I also put glue on the spar face and spar top and bottom. Then a nice, gentle shift of the spars for the final half inch, and some clamps to hold things together. Worked easily and strong as can be. Cheers, Ken On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:42 AM, John Francis wrote: As I am fitting my aileron spar, I'm wondering with such a tight fit how am I going to get glue in it. I then realize that this is a critical glue joint as it appears the piano hinge is bolted to it and at that point the glue on the spar is the only thing holding the aileron to the wing! To assure a good glue joint, I believe I will fit everything up properly, cut the aileron out, then pull the aileron spar straight out and apply glue well. Has anyone else done this? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403986#403986 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspar1_936.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/aspar2_175.jpg ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 06, 2013
Hi John, There are many reasons to use the Stewart system. But there is one overwhel ming factor for me. Ask yourself: Realistically, how many times during the whole process will you stop and have to clean up/out your spray gun or brus hes/containers skin etc. with nasty solvents? If you are using the Stewart system you simply walk over to the utility sink and turn on the unlimited s upply of hot water. It seemed like countless times to me. No way I would EV ER use Polyfiber again. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: John Francis <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:23 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber Thanks Chuck. You know I could be convinced to use the Stewart System. I know it is very popular here on the Piet forum. I have a friend who is somewhat "old school" and is trying to persuade me to go with the poly-fiber system becau se it is proven. I need to get off the fence and make my decision. I will look into it a bit further in the next few days. Thanks for offers for now. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403980#403980 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 06, 2013
I put on a 3" tape, and after about a 1/2 hour's drying time was not satisf ied with its placement. Wow, VERY difficult to remove. I was afraid I was g oing to damage the underlying fabric. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 8:31 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber > Another vote for Stewarts. They gave me the complete set of DVDs when I bo ught some of their stuff. Just finished covering the tail feathers (wings after Brodhead) and the process is much less harmful to whatever brain cells I ha ve left. A lifelong investment in the German and American brewing industry ha s left some still functioning and I need all I can get. My wife can do both the modified seine knot and the Staggerwing knot that Stewarts teaches and MUCH prefers the Staggerwing. Both are certified. As an aside, Stewart System relies on a fabric to fabric bond so I took a c ouple of pieces of 2 inch pinked fabricand glued them together with 1 inch overla p. 2 square inches total bond area. I can't pull them apart. Stewart says the fabric will fail before the glue and I believe them. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404018#404018 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 06, 2013
I'm leaning towards Stewarts (and did use them for repairs) so that I don't have to buy the super expensive epoxy varnish to seal my woodwork. As a woodworker, I already have tons of perfectly suitable varnish, for anything but under Polyfiber chemicals. And, it's like Dan says, how many times do you start and stop? ANY ounce of epoxy varnish you mix HAS to be used, or you're throwing it away. So not only expensive (the varnish), but seems not very efficient. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404040#404040 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 06, 2013
Chuck; The Poly-Fiber manual explains that when you apply your tapes and go to the next step after cementing the fabric to the frame with Poly-Tak, the succeeding "layers" (Poly-Brush... the pink stuff) soak through and help re-soften the Poly-Tak so that the cement gets a complete and even bond. Not to say that you shouldn't work in short sections and adhere the fabric promptly like you said, but just to reiterate the Poly-Fiber comment that the next layer will re-wet the adhesive and help it get an even bond if it dried a little too quickly before you got the fabric down, or if it didn't quite smooth out on the area to be cemented. Now for a politically incorrect opinion: I love the Poly-Fiber system. Every time I open the bin that I use to keep all my fabric covering supplies together, it takes me back to airplane building heaven (and I don't inhale that much!)... I love the smell of Poly-Brush in the morning! And at noon, and in the evening, too. It just smells like airplanes and reminds me of building them. At my age, any brain cells that I still have left have followed the "survival of the fittest" plan, and are well able to hold their own against chemical attack ;o) Just kidding; I don't intentionally work in a cloud of concentrated fumes. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404053#404053 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 06, 2013
Oscar, There IS that, and I agree! LOVE that smell... Not often mentioned, but covering with dope is still an option. Lightweight, compared to much of this, inexpensive. And smells JUST right! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404056#404056 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
Date: Jul 06, 2013
Oscar, it has been quite a while since I used the Poly- system -- something like 25 years. But I do seem to remember that you had to work a lot faster with the Poly-Tak glue and once you start there's no quitting until the project is finished. I have never used the Stewart System -- yet -- but from looking at the videos it seems so much easier. One mention was that it was not a "proven" system. Well, you don't get an STC unless the Feds are satisfied that the fabric won't come off and down comes a skeleton of an airplane. I might change my mind after using the Stewart System but I don't think so. Incidentally, I used to be pretty good friends with Doug and Rava. My wife and I were on a trip around the country in an RV and we stopped in Doug and Rava's home town in Washington and visited a couple of days. Doug took us up in his PA22/20 that I copied a lot of when I did mine. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 10:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Poly-Fiber > > Chuck; > > The Poly-Fiber manual explains that when you apply your tapes and go to > the next step after cementing the fabric to the frame with Poly-Tak, the > succeeding "layers" (Poly-Brush... the pink stuff) soak through and help > re-soften the Poly-Tak so that the cement gets a complete and even bond. > Not to say that you shouldn't work in short sections and adhere the fabric > promptly like you said, but just to reiterate the Poly-Fiber comment that > the next layer will re-wet the adhesive and help it get an even bond if it > dried a little too quickly before you got the fabric down, or if it didn't > quite smooth out on the area to be cemented. > > Now for a politically incorrect opinion: I love the Poly-Fiber system. > Every time I open the bin that I use to keep all my fabric covering > supplies together, it takes me back to airplane building heaven (and I > don't inhale that much!)... I love the smell of Poly-Brush in the morning! > And at noon, and in the evening, too. It just smells like airplanes and > reminds me of building them. At my age, any brain cells that I still have > left have followed the "survival of the fittest" plan, and are well able > to hold their own against chemical attack ;o) Just kidding; I don't > intentionally work in a cloud of concentrated fumes. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404053#404053 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 06, 2013
Friends as you know my Brodhead experience is one of my most cherished and anticipated events of the year. Up until 5 weeks ago the Mayor and I were planning and making ready to attend our friend meeting at Brodhead. Unfortunately life had other plans for us as business interests took the place of meeting with our friends, so regrettably the mayor and I will not be able to meet with you, our friends. As soon as those interests have solidified into an operational facility I will be sharing that with everyone which I thoroughly expect to be the week before Brodhead. I wish all my friends safe travels and flights to and from with expectations of our attendance in 2014. Best of times to you all this 2013 pilgrimage to Pietenpol aviator mecca. Be well and fly safe John and the Mayor Safe in the morning and dangerous through out the day Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013
Date: Jul 06, 2013
John - This sounds like good news...I've heard good news before, and it sounds a lot like this... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amsafetyc Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 12:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 Friends as you know my Brodhead experience is one of my most cherished and anticipated events of the year. Up until 5 weeks ago the Mayor and I were planning and making ready to attend our friend meeting at Brodhead. Unfortunately life had other plans for us as business interests took the place of meeting with our friends, so regrettably the mayor and I will not be able to meet with you, our friends. As soon as those interests have solidified into an operational facility I will be sharing that with everyone which I thoroughly expect to be the week before Brodhead. I wish all my friends safe travels and flights to and from with expectations of our attendance in 2014. Best of times to you all this 2013 pilgrimage to Pietenpol aviator mecca. Be well and fly safe John and the Mayor Safe in the morning and dangerous through out the day Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 06, 2013
Yes...what Gary said. I think. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404083#404083 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 06, 2013
John, We will miss you, the gelato, and especially the mayor. Looking forward to hearing the good news. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> Sent: Sat, Jul 6, 2013 2:29 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1/2 a rant on Brodhead 2013 Friends as you know my Brodhead experience is one of my most cherished and anticipated events of the year. Up until 5 weeks ago the Mayor and I were planning and making ready to attend our friend meeting at Brodhead. Unfortunately life had other plans for us as business interests took the pl ace of meeting with our friends, so regrettably the mayor and I will not be abl e to meet with you, our friends. As soon as those interests have solidified into an operational facility I will be sharing that with everyone which I thoroughl y expect to be the week before Brodhead. I wish all my friends safe travels and flights to and from with expectation s of our attendance in 2014. Best of times to you all this 2013 pilgrimage to Pietenpol aviator mecca. Be well and fly safe John and the Mayor Safe in the morning and dangerous through out the day Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Poly-Fiber
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2013
I agree the Poly fiber chemicals are bad but thats what makes it good. Just like after they have taken lead out of automotive paint and exterior house paint, they do not hold up. Working in automotive and aircraft restoration business I see alot of trouble with the new water base paints on cars these days. It's all great for the environment and the user but they just don't last. Covering and painting a airplane is too big of job to have to re due it in a few years. And most are only going to do one in a lifetime. So wear a respirator, open the doors and use the poly-fiber. You can also make your topcoat alot slicker with the poly-fiber. We use poly-fiber all the time and have for 30 years and would not use anything else. Maybe someday but not for now. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404109#404109 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair Engines
From: "ribill7" <wemidy(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 07, 2013
I am looking for a corvair core engine. I have advertised on craigslist for one and have got a couple of calls....but when it came time to pick up the motor....all of a sudden no answer. I live in RI and will travel a reasonable distance for a core. If anybody has a lead please let me know. Thanks, RIBill7 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404139#404139 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aileron shape
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2013
The prints show this area left alone. I think it would be better if the corner was taken off and the surface flush with the entire side. How have you done it? Thanks, -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404149#404149 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07961_633.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07960_159.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: covering systems
Date: Jul 07, 2013
I know there are a few of us still in the closet who... ACTUALLY USE DOPE!!!!!!!! (SHOCKED SILENCE AND AWKWARD GLANCES.) Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2013
Subject: Re: Aileron shape
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
John, I used a hand plane to make the corner flush with the face of the aileron spar. Cheers, Ken On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:00 PM, John Francis wrote: > > The prints show this area left alone. I think it would be better if the > corner was taken off and the surface flush with the entire side. How have > you done it? > > Thanks, > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404149#404149 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07961_633.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07960_159.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ohbejoyful <ohbejoyful10(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Tail Hinges
Date: Jul 07, 2013
I am working on the tail for my Pietenpol. I have the horizontal stabilizer jigged up and am ready to cut the diagonals between the rear "main beam" and the center beam. Do these diagonals--if built per plans--interfere with the hardware used to mount the outermost hinges? Does the hinge need to be moved in toward the center? I plan to recess the hinges. What kind of hardware is used to mount the hinges? Thanks, Joseph Jameson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Aileron shape
Date: Jul 07, 2013
I flushed it and slightly rounded the edge. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron shape John, I used a hand plane to make the corner flush with the face of the aileron spar. Cheers, Ken On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:00 PM, John Francis wrote: The prints show this area left alone. I think it would be better if the corner was taken off and the surface flush with the entire side. How have you done it? Thanks, -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404149#404149 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07961_633.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com/files/dsc07961_633.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07960_159.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com/files/dsc07960_159.jpg> ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Tail Hinges
Date: Jul 07, 2013
Joseph, Yes, they can be in the way if you are using bolts and nuts. I opened up a 1" access hole in the bottom of those gussets; just enough to get a wrench on the nuts. I used #4 countersunk, stainless bolts, stainless washers and stainless, fibered nuts. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ohbejoyful Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 7:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Hinges --> I am working on the tail for my Pietenpol. I have the horizontal stabilizer jigged up and am ready to cut the diagonals between the rear "main beam" and the center beam. Do these diagonals--if built per plans--interfere with the hardware used to mount the outermost hinges? Does the hinge need to be moved in toward the center? I plan to recess the hinges. What kind of hardware is used to mount the hinges? Thanks, Joseph Jameson ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron shape
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2013
Thanks guys....it is done. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404170#404170 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair Engines
Date: Jul 08, 2013
Have you checked your local Corsa organization? There are bunches of Corvair cores out there. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "ribill7" <wemidy(at)cox.net> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 6:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engines > > I am looking for a corvair core engine. I have advertised on craigslist > for one and have got a couple of calls....but when it came time to pick up > the motor....all of a sudden no answer. I live in RI and will travel a > reasonable distance for a core. If anybody has a lead please let me know. > > Thanks, > RIBill7 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404139#404139 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 08, 2013
Subject: Re: covering systems
UNCLASSIFIED OK I will bite. Douwe, What are the advantages/challenges of using old fashoned DOPE Vs the new systems? Blue Skies, Steve D. On 07/07/13, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > > > > > I know there are a few of us still in the closet who….. ACTUALLY USE DOPE!!!!!!!! (SHOCKED SILENCE AND AWKWARD GLANCES…) > > > > Douwe > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Corvair Engines
Date: Jul 08, 2013
Try checking with the old junk yards and anyone that has some old cars around their house. There is always some old kook that collected Corvairs and all these guys know who he is. This is the way we found 18. Some were out in the woods with trees grown thru the bumpers, but we only paid for 2 in the whole bunch. They are out there. One guy asked what in the world we wanted these old engines for and we told him they were for an airplane. He quickly spit out his tobacco and with both thumbs tugging on his coverall straps, stated that he wouldn't trust one to go to the store down the road, much less in an airplane. LOL Barry Davis NX973BP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ribill7 Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 6:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Engines I am looking for a corvair core engine. I have advertised on craigslist for one and have got a couple of calls....but when it came time to pick up the motor....all of a sudden no answer. I live in RI and will travel a reasonable distance for a core. If anybody has a lead please let me know. Thanks, RIBill7 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404139#404139 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2013
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Corvair Engines
I have a Corvair core engine in McPherson, KS that I will let someone have for $200. All the numbers are correct according to WW's book and much of the clean and prep work has been done already. Includes a rebuilt vibration damper ( I forget what they are really called) and a set of original exhaust logs. Contact me off list if you are interested and I will put together a list of the particulars. Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "ribill7" 7/7/2013 5:44 PM >>> I am looking for a corvair core engine. I have advertised on craigslist for one and have got a couple of calls....but when it came time to pick up the motor....all of a sudden no answer. I live in RI and will travel a reasonable distance for a core. If anybody has a lead please let me know. Thanks, RIBill7 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404139#404139 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail Hinges
From: Ohbejoyful <ohbejoyful10(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2013
Thanks for the information. I have about 3/8" of space for the nut and washer. Is that enough space? On Jul 7, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Joseph, > > Yes, they can be in the way if you are using bolts and nuts. I opened up a > 1" access hole in the bottom of those gussets; just enough to get a wrench > on the nuts. I used #4 countersunk, stainless bolts, stainless washers and > stainless, fibered nuts. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ohbejoyful > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 7:49 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Hinges > > --> > > I am working on the tail for my Pietenpol. I have the horizontal stabilizer > jigged up and am ready to cut the diagonals between the rear "main beam" and > the center beam. Do these diagonals--if built per plans--interfere with the > hardware used to mount the outermost hinges? > Does the hinge need to be moved in toward the center? I plan to recess the > hinges. What kind of hardware is used to mount the hinges? > > Thanks, > > Joseph Jameson > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail Hinges
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jul 08, 2013
That's about what I had. Gary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Ohbejoyful wrote: > > Thanks for the information. I have about 3/8" of space for the nut and washer. Is that enough space? > > > On Jul 7, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > >> >> Joseph, >> >> Yes, they can be in the way if you are using bolts and nuts. I opened up a >> 1" access hole in the bottom of those gussets; just enough to get a wrench >> on the nuts. I used #4 countersunk, stainless bolts, stainless washers and >> stainless, fibered nuts. >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ohbejoyful >> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 7:49 PM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Hinges >> >> --> >> >> I am working on the tail for my Pietenpol. I have the horizontal stabilizer >> jigged up and am ready to cut the diagonals between the rear "main beam" and >> the center beam. Do these diagonals--if built per plans--interfere with the >> hardware used to mount the outermost hinges? >> Does the hinge need to be moved in toward the center? I plan to recess the >> hinges. What kind of hardware is used to mount the hinges? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Joseph Jameson > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail Hinges
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2013
N2RN simply has the nuts squeezed in there, so there's enough room, just barely. I've been referencing the display bare bones Piet in the Piet hangar as OSH while building my tail feathers at Pioneer, it's got access holes cut in the gusset plates. Third idea is what I saw on the hinges of the J1 Standard wing I worked on, it had the nuts brazed to a plate, which made the whole mess a lot easier to work on. Also, the hinges could be removed for covering. It would prevent you from having to get a wrench in the tight spot on the very outboard hinge bolts. The plate was held in place with brads like those used on the gusset plates. Worked really well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404220#404220 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Speaking of TGWP....
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2013
Sorry, a bit anticlimatic, but here's the J1 (the only shot I have) I've been helping with at OSH. I thought this picture was newer than it is. We fussed and fussed over how to paint it... Like the guy who flew this bird and donated it to us Like the military trainer it was Like an airmail variant Like a period authentic barnstormer OR, you guessed it! It now sports "THE GREAT WALDO PEPPER" down the side of it. I always thought those were Jenny's, but apparently they were Standards, so that's the way we went. The top wings got painted just a few days ago, so it's going pretty fast now. I'm hoping I can talk them into bringing it down to Brodhead some year. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404227#404227 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: covering systems
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2013
If you want to get really authentic and use grade A cotton (the ONLY way to NOT use an STCed product), you have to use the self-tautening dope sold by Randolph. Nitrate/butyrate dope has been used for years as part of the original Ceconite STC. Not sure if there's any real advantage in it vice the Polyfiber process. It's a little more complex in that you have to use two different kinds of dope and thinners (I think) but may be cheaper??? Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404237#404237 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron shape
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 08, 2013
I'm also a four-flusher.. used the hand plane and rounded. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404240#404240 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair Engines
From: "ribill7" <wemidy(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 08, 2013
I will give Corsa a try. Maybe something will work out. Thanks, Bill Emidy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404248#404248 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2013
Subject: Wings ready for primer and paint
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Slowly but surely, step by step, inch by inch -- progress. Cheers, Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2013
Subject: Wings ready for primer and paint
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Slowly but surely, step by step, inch by inch -- progress. Cheers, Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: covering systems
Date: Jul 08, 2013
My understanding from many years ago is that a dope finish never stops shrinking. There have been horror stories,one involving a Piet, of twisted and bent structures. Homebuilt Aircraft, Sept 1981. " The Incredible Shrinking Aircraft, Part 4." Of course one could go the original, VERY original route of paintingit with egg whites. Clif God must love primitive life forms. He made so many of us. Er, them. > If you want to get really authentic and use grade A cotton (the ONLY way > to NOT use an STCed product), you have to use the self-tautening dope sold > by Randolph. > > Not sure if there's any real advantage in it vice the Polyfiber process. > > > Dave ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wings ready for primer and paint
From: Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Lookin' good Ken! Rick Schreiber Sent from my iPad On Jul 9, 2013, at 12:10 AM, Ken Bickers wrote: > Slowly but surely, step by step, inch by inch -- progress. > > Cheers, Ken > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wings ready for primer and paint
From: "Avill" <avillery(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Looking good Ken! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404265#404265 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Wings ready for primer and paint
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Yeah. They do look good. They look awfully thin to me. Maybe it's just the angle the picture was made or the camera or maybe the fact that I built my ribs from the GN-1 rib profile. I think It's a bit thicker than the Pietenpol rib -- but not that much. The main difference is in the nose shape. I read somewhere that the thicker nose would give a little better climb. Don't know that to be true -- I haven't gotten to that stage yet. That Stewart System looks great. My only experience is with Ceconite and the Randolph dope process -- I will go with Stewart's glue and house paint -- if I ever get that far. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wings ready for primer and paint Lookin' good Ken! Rick Schreiber Sent from my iPad On Jul 9, 2013, at 12:10 AM, Ken Bickers wrote: Slowly but surely, step by step, inch by inch -- progress. Cheers, Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: dope
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Well, I'm not sure I can think of many advantages of dope. I just used it mainly because I wanted to. and I like how crazy simple it is to repair. It's toxic, it stinks, it burns, it ain't that cheap, but other than that; it's great! In all seriousness though, I liked the nostalgia and that it was easy to repair and it is proven to last a LONG time. I'd probably use Stewarts if I was to do it again. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: dope
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2013
I'm a dope man. I just really like to work with it. Very easy to repair. Fun to spray. I tried Poly Fiber a while back but everything since then has been dope. Just used to it I guess. Probably the best reason for using dope though, was when my son, in second grade, went to school and told his teacher that he and his Dad were "doing dope in the garage last night..." The phone call was priceless. Also, there is something about the look of hand rubbed dope that is very difficult to replace with any other system. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404290#404290 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Subject: dope
Great story Don! I too used Randolph dope on my Pietenpol for several reasons over polyurethane based systems, two being that it is lighter and also it is much easier to repair and blend in if damaged. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Subject: off subject--- 1/3scale B-17 Project to fly soon
This is way cool. Jack Bally of Dixon, Illinois. Jack is a big Pietenpol supporter. I had the pleasure of meeting him and his wife about 15 years ago at Brodhead. This project is amazing! I hope he gets to fly it to Oshkosh. Mike C. https://www.facebook.com/BallyBomber Or Google Bally's Bomber ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: A engine out
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2013
I found the reason that my engine quit.. rear #4 piston melted a bit.. Not sure Why.. everything else looks OK Now to fix it.. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404303#404303 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piston_198.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A engine out
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Thanks for sharing Jeff. What would cause that? Too lean or something else? Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404319#404319 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2013
From: <r.r.hall(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: A engine out
Typically that sort of damage is caused by preignition. You should find the cause. Is there a helicoil tab or cracked plug insulator? It can be caused by improper leaning where you stay at the peak or slightly rich of peak for too long. Do you have a CHT and/or EGT gauge? Rodney ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wings ready for primer and paint
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2013
They look great Ken! I can't wait to get to that stage. I spoke with Stewart Systems today and ordered the 20 dollar DVD set. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404339#404339 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A engine out
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Exhaust leak? Did you verify each cylinder for proper size before assembly? I wouldn't guess it, but machine shops regularly get that sort of thing wrong. A good friend of mine was the editor of Hot Rod magazine at the time he rebuilt a Camaro engine for me. He sent the block off for machining and when it came back, he checked the crank bearings and found some off tolerance. Had to send it back a couple times before he was happy. He was the editor of a national car magazine, if there's ANY customer you'd want to do a good job for (and it was a well known performance shop in LA), you'd think it would be him. I just assumed when you send something like that out, it would be right. He said that was pretty normal... For a really good engine build, you have to verify all that stuff yourself he always told me. Doesn't usually result in catastrophic failure, but will easily affect how long the rebuild is good for. Wouldn't have to be too much too small to cause that... Perhaps something as simple as that cylinder wasn't honed as much as the others. Maybe ring gap too small? Would heat that cylinder up a lot more, with corresponding piston swell. Nice to know what happened in any event. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404346#404346 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail Hinges
From: Ohbejoyful <ohbejoyful10(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Thanks. This is helpful information. On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:59 PM, tools wrote: > > N2RN simply has the nuts squeezed in there, so there's enough room, just barely. I've been referencing the display bare bones Piet in the Piet hangar as OSH while building my tail feathers at Pioneer, it's got access holes cut in the gusset plates. > > Third idea is what I saw on the hinges of the J1 Standard wing I worked on, it had the nuts brazed to a plate, which made the whole mess a lot easier to work on. Also, the hinges could be removed for covering. It would prevent you from having to get a wrench in the tight spot on the very outboard hinge bolts. > > The plate was held in place with brads like those used on the gusset plates. Worked really well. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404220#404220 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A engine out
Jeff I don't claim to be any kind of expert, having burned up a piston on a corvair myself I don't think that is Detonation, or pre -ignition. I know mine was burned by detonation, and looked nothing like that. It looks like friction heat due to ??? wrong bore for that size piston, rings??. Did it lock up on you and quit, or did it start running rough then quit? I will look again and see if anything comes to mind. See the attached pictures of the piston I blew up during ou growing pains. Eventually found that a helicoiled spark plug hole caused ours, it was very intermitent, and would run fine and out of nowhere start loosing power (detionation). Send me a picture of the cylinder wall and head if you can. Shad Bell Nx92GB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A engine out
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Doesn't seem to be a lean problem. . . The guy that built the short block looked at the photos and said heat or lack of oil. .. or both. . Ring gap was fine. It kinda looks like the shooting started on the lower part of the skirt. My oil pressure was down to 2-3 lbs when this happened. . Modding an oil pump for flow and pressure now. . According to a service bulletin from November of 1932 Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404349#404349 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: dope
I like the look I got at work one day when I called Dondie miller and said " I need to order a bunch of dope." My boss didn't know what to think, nor did the pilots who were getting ready to leave on a trip in the airplane I just got done working on. I had to explain it to them to calm them down a bit, and I still have a job. Classic aviation phrases are lost in today's point and click society. Shad -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 7/9/13, Don Emch wrote: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dope To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Date: Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 10:43 AM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch" I'm a dope man. I just really like to work with it. Very easy to repair. Fun to spray. I tried Poly Fiber a while back but everything since then has been dope. Just used to it I guess. Probably the best reason for using dope though, was when my son, in second grade, went to school and told his teacher that he and his Dad were "doing dope in the garage last night..." The phone call was priceless. Also, there is something about the look of hand rubbed dope that is very difficult to replace with any other system. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404290#404290 Email Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A engine out
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2013
Looking at the second ring, above the melted place, there is a lot of metal built up below the ring. Looks like there was more damage than just at the melted place. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404354#404354 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A engine out
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2013
The metal built up on the ring is from the transfer to the cylinder wall.. its not bad... a hone will take it out.. melted aluminum scraped off the wall by the ring... most of the "melting" is low on the skirt.. I'm sure its not a mixture issue.. the top of the piston is fine along with the head and valves.. plugs all look good. this is a service bulletin from ford about oil pumps http://www.oldcarmanualproject.com/manuals/Ford/1932/pages/p_%2067_jpg.htm Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404363#404363 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A engine out
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2013
I was thinking a lot about oil pressure too, but was thinking about my tractors that do that a lot as well... but then... air plane usage means you're using all the horsepower available, all the time (unlike my tractor in "retirement" mowing mode). The weakest point is going to go first, and that must have been that cylinder. Water cooled engines run less piston/cylinder clearance than air cooled, it must've just got hot enough to interfere. You mentioned it wasn't getting quite up to rpm prior to the failure, must've been the start of the event. Happy to hear you can merely hone the cylinder to get it back to good. What kind of cylinder hone do you use, a parallel rack and pinon stone, exanding parallel stone or ball? I'd recommend the first, which will enlarge the cylinder more, but maintain perfect round. The increased clearance won't hurt a bit. Most manuals don't recommend reboring until your in excess of 0.008 clearance if the cylinder is within taper and out of round specs (which are FAR less). I'm thinking more might be better running these in airplanes. Probably do need more oil pressure, especially if Ford recommended it for cars back then. Water temp wouldn't likely have showed the problem very obviously. Glad to see you found a likely smoking gun. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404372#404372 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jul 10, 2013
Subject: Wicks notice: Spruce Spar Lumber
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Subject: Continental Conn Rod Bolts
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2013
If you have a small Continental, i.e., an A or C series engine, even an O-200, this may be of interest to you. We're offering this to the Piet list members first, EAA 302 members second (my EAA Chapter), and plan to list any remaining items on eBay after OSH. Continental P/N 530213 is the replacement Conn Rod Bolt for all of the above referenced engines (also used on some engines that are quite a bit larger and generally not used on a Piet.) My IA has recommended that because I don't know the history of my engine... it would be very wise to replace these. About half the bolts are packed in the paper/foil US procurement bags, and are NOS items from Fed Surplus. New, unused, unwrapped. The other half are in single bags, and/or unbagged, as we've opened a few to see what was inside. After a net search, we've found that the sellers with the $12 item cost generally don't have stock... and the most available parts are around $16 each. Since the sealed bags hold 10 pieces, we're offering them for $100., which is only $10. per bolt. The loose bolts will also be the same cost. I will be prepared to bring these to Brodhead, to save on shipping costs, if you're interested. Supply is limited, so if you need any, PM me ASAP. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404399#404399 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Weston <smikewest(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: A engine out
Date: Jul 10, 2013
(preamble),I'm no expert but, i have seen a lot of blown-up engines. the piston in your motor has damage consistent with preignition. the pinking,detonation,causes the ring land to collapse. trapping the ring. typically,when you have a bore that is too tight, the seizure is more symmetrical than yours.often these are referred to as having seized "four square" as the damage starts at the sides of the thrust faces. did the damage point at the exhaust valve in the block? if not then you should check the rod for straitness . you should anyway, along with whether or not the rod is centered and not side loaded anyway there is a lot of inspection to undertake before reassembly. thats my two cents worth.just glad you didnt get hurt!. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A engine out
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2013
I had the exact same thing happen to my Model A. Looked just the same. The other 3 pistons were all in the beginning stages and were not far behind the first one. After getting apart I found that the piston to wall clearance on a A is only .002. And seamed way to tight to me. I had all my cylinders honed out to .004 for more clearance due to running hard for a period of time. But after thinking about it for a long time because I never really knew that caused it, it was really bugging me. And I got to thinking one night that with all the trouble I have on a daily basis with China made parts in my business I wonder it something is up with the new China made pistons? ( that is all you can buy these days ) Maybe the alloy is not right and these pistons are not expanding etc. at the correct rates? My opinion is that something is up with the new pistons ( maybe not ) but I just don't know. Haven't ran mine again yet but if I was you I would search high and low to find some NOS parts to rebuild your engine. Hope you don't have any more trouble and would like to hear progress reports of how it's going. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404430#404430 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Alliance Ohio Fly-in
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2013
Is anyone in the Midwest going to the Barber Airport fly-in this weekend in Alliance, OH ? Anyone ever go? A good fly-in with a good turn out? Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2013
Subject: Re: Wings ready for primer and paint
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Chuck, here is another picture of one of the wings while still in the rotator stand. The vertical post of the rotator stand is one inch wide, which offers a way to get a rough measure of the depth of the airfoil. Also the under-camber of the Pietenpol airfoil is very apparent. Cheers, Ken On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:54 AM, C N Campbell wrote: > ** > Yeah. They do look good. They look awfully thin to me. Maybe it's just > the angle the picture was made or the camera or maybe the fact that I built > my ribs from the GN-1 rib profile. I think It's a bit thicker than > the Pietenpol rib -- but not that much. The main difference is in the > nose shape. I read somewhere that the thicker nose would give a little > better climb. Don't know that to be true -- I haven't gotten to that stage > yet. That Stewart System looks great. My only experience is with Ceconite > and the Randolph dope process -- I will go with Stewart's glue and house > paint -- if I ever get that far. Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 09, 2013 8:00 AM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Wings ready for primer and paint > > Lookin' good Ken! > > Rick Schreiber > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 9, 2013, at 12:10 AM, Ken Bickers wrote: > > Slowly but surely, step by step, inch by inch -- progress. > > Cheers, Ken > > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Alliance Ohio Fly-in
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2013
I'll be there in my Piet. I think Shad is planning to go too. For sure I'll be there Saturday. If I get very ambitious I'll take my son over Friday and we'll camp out. A few years ago there were 6 Piets there! If the weather is good there is usually a decent turnout. Good grassroots kind of flying! Keep in mind Frank Pavliga keeps both of his beautiful Piets there too, the Rudolph Piet and Sky Gypsy. Also he has the one and only flying Waco Nine there. It is beautiful! If you can make it, come and look for the green Piet and introduce yourself. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404439#404439 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A engine out
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
That "four square" idea is exactly what I have. .. the damage is in four places equally spaced. .. the skirt on each corner has scuff marks. . I'll be looking at everything close Thanks guys Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404459#404459 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Continental Conn Rod Bolts
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Picture of the Conn Rod Bolts... -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404461#404461 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/conn_rod_bolts_145.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Alliance Ohio Fly-in
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Ed Delancey and I are planning to drive up Friday. That is if the power here comes back on and I can leave Cinda home alone. Skip > [Original Message] > From: Pietflyer1977 <rob(at)stoinoff.com> > To: > Date: 7/10/2013 9:02:11 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > > > Is anyone in the Midwest going to the Barber Airport fly-in this weekend in Alliance, OH ? Anyone ever go? A good fly-in with a good turn out? Thanks > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Alliance Ohio Fly-in
I am planning on flying the piet up on saturday morning if the runway dries out. we have had 3- 4 inches of rain in the past week. Does anyone know if Barber field is a giant wet sponge at this point? Shad NX92GB -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 7/11/13, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Date: Thursday, July 11, 2013, 8:39 AM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" Ed Delancey and I are planning to drive up Friday. That is if the power here comes back on and I can leave Cinda home alone. Skip > [Original Message] > From: Pietflyer1977 <rob(at)stoinoff.com> > To: > Date: 7/10/2013 9:02:11 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > "Pietflyer1977" > > Is anyone in the Midwest going to the Barber Airport fly-in this weekend in Alliance, OH ? Anyone ever go? A good fly-in with a good turn out? Thanks > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431 > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Subject: Re: Alliance Ohio Fly-in
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Does anyone know about the field conditions at Brodhead? Have they had as much rain as everyone else? I will need a sub to get out of the Atlanta area . Cheers, Gardiner Sent from my iPad On Jul 11, 2013, at 9:55 AM, shad bell wrote: > > I am planning on flying the piet up on saturday morning if the runway dries out. we have had 3- 4 inches of rain in the past week. Does anyone know if Barber field is a giant wet sponge at this point? > > Shad > NX92GB > -------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 7/11/13, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote: > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Thursday, July 11, 2013, 8:39 AM > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" > > > Ed Delancey and I are planning to drive up Friday. That is > if the power > here comes back on and I can leave Cinda home alone. > Skip > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Pietflyer1977 <rob(at)stoinoff.com> >> To: >> Date: 7/10/2013 9:02:11 PM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in >> > "Pietflyer1977" >> >> Is anyone in the Midwest going to the Barber Airport > fly-in this weekend > in Alliance, OH ? Anyone ever go? A good fly-in with a good > turn out? Thanks >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431 > > > > Email Forum - > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Alliance Ohio Fly-in
Date: Jul 11, 2013
I am based 60 north of Brodhead. We were in bad shape up until the past weekend. All seems good now and it should be dry here for the next week (according to the forecast). Sunday was the first day I was able to take theRocket out since May, it has been so wet. The real problem this year will be the mosquitos. The rain has made a real good crop this year. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:38 AM, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote: > > Does anyone know about the field conditions at Brodhead? Have they had as much rain as everyone else? I will need a sub to get out of the Atlanta area . Cheers, Gardiner > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 11, 2013, at 9:55 AM, shad bell wrote: > >> >> I am planning on flying the piet up on saturday morning if the runway dries out. we have had 3- 4 inches of rain in the past week. Does anyone know if Barber field is a giant wet sponge at this point? >> >> Shad >> NX92GB >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Thu, 7/11/13, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote: >> >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Date: Thursday, July 11, 2013, 8:39 AM >> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted >> by: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" >> >> >> Ed Delancey and I are planning to drive up Friday. That is >> if the power >> here comes back on and I can leave Cinda home alone. >> Skip >> >> >>> [Original Message] >>> From: Pietflyer1977 <rob(at)stoinoff.com> >>> To: >>> Date: 7/10/2013 9:02:11 PM >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in >>> >> "Pietflyer1977" >>> >>> Is anyone in the Midwest going to the Barber Airport >> fly-in this weekend >> in Alliance, OH ? Anyone ever go? A good fly-in with a good >> turn out? Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431 >> >> >> >> Email Forum - >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Alliance Ohio Fly-in
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 11, 2013
I'll chop'em up with this. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 11:12 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in I am based 60 north of Brodhead. We were in bad shape up until the past wee kend. All seems good now and it should be dry here for the next week (accor ding to the forecast). Sunday was the first day I was able to take theRocke t out since May, it has been so wet. The real problem this year will be the mosquitos. The rain has made a real good crop this year. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:38 AM, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know about the field conditions at Brodhead? Have they had as m uch rain as everyone else? I will need a sub to get out of the Atlanta area . Cheers, Gardiner Sent from my iPad On Jul 11, 2013, at 9:55 AM, shad bell wrote: I am planning on flying the piet up on saturday morning if the runway dries out. we have had 3- 4 inches of rain in the past week. Does anyone know if Barber field is a giant wet sponge at this point? Shad NX92GB -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 7/11/13, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in Date: Thursday, July 11, 2013, 8:39 AM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" Ed Delancey and I are planning to drive up Friday. That is if the power here comes back on and I can leave Cinda home alone. Skip [Original Message] From: Pietflyer1977 <rob(at)stoinoff.com> Date: 7/10/2013 9:02:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in "Pietflyer1977" Is anyone in the Midwest going to the Barber Airport fly-in this weekend in Alliance, OH ? Anyone ever go? A good fly-in with a good turn out? Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431 Email Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List - The --> http://www.matr &n - &nbs --> http://www.matronics.com/co==== ============ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Logo Design.
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
I finalized my logo design and installed it today....I think it sets it off pretty good! -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404489#404489 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/logo1_195.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Logo Design.
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Nice! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 1:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Logo Design. --> I finalized my logo design and installed it today....I think it sets it off pretty good! -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404489#404489 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/logo1_195.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Logo Design.
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Very cool! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404492#404492 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Logo Design.
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Very cool, With him flapping his wings you should have one heck of a climb rate. Very patriotic too. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404494#404494 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Logo Design.
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Chris very nice! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2013, at 3:13 PM, "Chris Rusch" wrote: > > I finalized my logo design and installed it today....I think it sets it off pretty good! > > -------- > NX321LR > ON THE FINAL PUSH!! > Mitsubishi Powered > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404489#404489 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/logo1_195.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Logo Design.
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Like It! Barry -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Logo Design. --> I finalized my logo design and installed it today....I think it sets it off pretty good! -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404489#404489 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/logo1_195.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Subject: Re: Logo Design.
UNCLASSIFIED Is your plane from the republic of Pietmania or Pietenstan? ;-} Steve D On 07/11/13, Chris Rusch wrote: > > I finalized my logo design and installed it today....I think it sets it off pretty good! > > -------- > NX321LR > ON THE FINAL PUSH!! > Mitsubishi Powered > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404489#404489 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/logo1_195.jpg > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Logo Design.
Very nice Chris; it goes with your paint scheme well. Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Logo Design.
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Looks great, Chris! Is that paint or vinyl? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Logo Design. I finalized my logo design and installed it today....I think it sets it off pretty good! -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404489#404489 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/logo1_195.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Logo Design.
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
It looks great, but I, for one, would like to see the other markings as well. It looks like there is lettering by the cockpit. We want more! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404514#404514 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Subject: 4 blade prop
UNCLASSIFIED Dan, Love the look. Discussion on another list (Beech) talked quite a bit about the value of going from 2 to 3 blades on General Aviation airplanes Two blades is more efficient than three blades in all areas, except ground clearance and noise. On most prop planes the prop makes most of the noise, Engine is second. Look at the videos of the electric Sonex E-flight. The plane is almost as noisy as a regular plane. One member is an aerodynamics professor. He said it came down to this. The very most efficient prop is a Single, Big, Long Blade turning at slower RPM with great torque. Yes, a single, one side is a blade, the other is like a club. As you add, blades they become smaller bladed and shorter and less efficient. as you get into 3,4 and more blades they nowstart to run in each other's turbulance and the airflow becomes less smooth. Smaller diameter props have to run faster to make the same thrust. Also the Prop becomes more of a gyroscope as blades are added. That is why early planes with low horsepower engines, turning slow with big props were somewhat efficient. while early ultralights with fast turning chainsaw engines turning small props make a lot of noise with wasted horsepower. Blue Skies, Steve D On 07/11/13, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > I'll chop'em up with this. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 11:12 am > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > > I am based 60 north of Brodhead. We were in bad shape up until the past weekend. All seems good now and it should be dry here for the next week (according to the forecast). Sunday was the first day I was able to take theRocket out since May, it has been so wet. > > The real problem this year will be the mosquitos. The rain has made a real good crop this year. > > > > John Hofmann > Vice-President, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2424 American Lane > Madison, WI 53704 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com(blockedmailto:jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com) > > > > On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:38 AM, airlion2(at)gmail.com(blockedmailto:airlion2(at)gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know about the field conditions at Brodhead? Have they had as much rain as everyone else? I will need a sub to get out of the Atlanta area . Cheers, Gardiner > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Jul 11, 2013, at 9:55 AM, shad bell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am planning on flying the piet up on saturday morning if the runway dries out. we have had 3- 4 inches of rain in the past week. Does anyone know if Barber field is a giant wet sponge at this point? > > > > > > Shad > > > NX92GB > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > On Thu, 7/11/13, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(blockedmailto:skipgadd(at)earthlink.net) wrote: > > > > > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com(blockedmailto:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com) > > > Date: Thursday, July 11, 2013, 8:39 AM > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > > > by: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(blockedmailto:skipgadd(at)earthlink.net)" > > > > > > > > > Ed Delancey and I are planning to drive up Friday. That is > > > if the power > > > here comes back on and I can leave Cinda home alone. > > > Skip > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: Pietflyer1977 <rob(at)stoinoff.com(blockedmailto:rob(at)stoinoff.com)> > > > > To: > > > > Date: 7/10/2013 9:02:11 PM > > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > > > > > > > > > > > "Pietflyer1977" > > > > > > > > > > > Is anyone in the Midwest going to the Barber Airport > > > > > > > fly-in this weekend > > > in Alliance, OH ? Anyone ever go? A good fly-in with a good > > > turn out? Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431(blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > > List Contribution Web Site - > > > -Matt > > > Dralle, List - The --> (blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="1">http://www.matr &n - &nbs --> http://www.matronics.com/co================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > w,courier" size="2"> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Logo Design.
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Ok, here are some more! -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404516#404516 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_946.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_757.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_320.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Logo Design.
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
If your wondering, Bags was my dads nickname and he started this plane in the mid 70's........ He passed away in 2002 with only the fusalage completed. so I finished the plane and named it after him. That name is hand painted and the bird logo is vinyl. -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404517#404517 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: My windscreen design...
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
I saw a windscreen made like this at fantasy of flight while taking a tour, so I thought I would give it a try.....032 3003-h14, with a rolled wire edge. I have to cut out the middle yet, but you get the idea -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404519#404519 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_481.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_136.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_395.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Subject: Re: My windscreen design...
UNCLASSIFIED Uh, won't that be hard to see through? I Thought Plexiglass would be easier to see through? LOL Steve D On 07/11/13, Chris Rusch wrote: > > I saw a windscreen made like this at fantasy of flight while taking a tour, so I thought I would give it a try.....032 3003-h14, with a rolled wire edge. I have to cut out the middle yet, but you get the idea > > -------- > NX321LR > ON THE FINAL PUSH!! > Mitsubishi Powered > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404519#404519 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_481.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_136.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_395.jpg > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 11, 2013
Subject: Re: Logo Design.
UNCLASSIFIED Love It. I really like the gascolator access panel. Might do that myself. Steve "I never had a good idea, but I have stolen some On 07/11/13, Chris Rusch wrote: > > Ok, here are some more! > > -------- > NX321LR > ON THE FINAL PUSH!! > Mitsubishi Powered > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404516#404516 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_946.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_757.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_320.jpg > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <contato(at)kraussaero.com.br>
Subject: Re: 4 blade prop
Date: Jul 12, 2013
Dears, it was the best definition I've heard for this case until now. I have years working with airplanes and this was the best. Thank you! Roberto Serrano, www.kraussaero.com.br -----Mensagem Original----- From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4 blade prop UNCLASSIFIED Dan, Love the look. Discussion on another list (Beech) talked quite a bit about the value of going from 2 to 3 blades on General Aviation airplanes Two blades is more efficient than three blades in all areas, except ground clearance and noise. On most prop planes the prop makes most of the noise, Engine is second. Look at the videos of the electric Sonex E-flight. The plane is almost as noisy as a regular plane. One member is an aerodynamics professor. He said it came down to this. The very most efficient prop is a Single, Big, Long Blade turning at slower RPM with great torque. Yes, a single, one side is a blade, the other is like a club. As you add, blades they become smaller bladed and shorter and less efficient. as you get into 3,4 and more blades they nowstart to run in each other's turbulance and the airflow becomes less smooth. Smaller diameter props have to run faster to make the same thrust. Also the Prop becomes more of a gyroscope as blades are added. That is why early planes with low horsepower engines, turning slow with big props were somewhat efficient. while early ultralights with fast turning chainsaw engines turning small props make a lot of noise with wasted horsepower. Blue Skies, Steve D On 07/11/13, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > I'll chop'em up with this. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 11:12 am > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > > I am based 60 north of Brodhead. We were in bad shape up until the past > weekend. All seems good now and it should be dry here for the next week > (according to the forecast). Sunday was the first day I was able to take > theRocket out since May, it has been so wet. > > The real problem this year will be the mosquitos. The rain has made a real > good crop this year. > > > John Hofmann > Vice-President, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2424 American Lane > Madison, WI 53704 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com(blockedmailto:jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com) > > > On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:38 AM, > airlion2(at)gmail.com(blockedmailto:airlion2(at)gmail.com) wrote: > > > > airlion2(at)gmail.com(blockedmailto:airlion2(at)gmail.com) > > > > Does anyone know about the field conditions at Brodhead? Have they had > > as much rain as everyone else? I will need a sub to get out of the > > Atlanta area . Cheers, Gardiner > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Jul 11, 2013, at 9:55 AM, shad bell > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am planning on flying the piet up on saturday morning if the runway > > > dries out. we have had 3- 4 inches of rain in the past week. Does > > > anyone know if Barber field is a giant wet sponge at this point? > > > > > > Shad > > > NX92GB > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > On Thu, 7/11/13, > > > skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(blockedmailto:skipgadd(at)earthlink.net) > > > wrote: > > > > > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > > > To: > > > pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com(blockedmailto:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com) > > > Date: Thursday, July 11, 2013, 8:39 AM > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > > > by: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(blockedmailto:skipgadd(at)earthlink.net)" > > > > > > > > > Ed Delancey and I are planning to drive up Friday. That is > > > if the power > > > here comes back on and I can leave Cinda home alone. > > > Skip > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: Pietflyer1977 > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Date: 7/10/2013 9:02:11 PM > > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > > > > > > > > > > > "Pietflyer1977" > > > > > > > > > > > Is anyone in the Midwest going to the Barber Airport > > > > > > > fly-in this weekend > > > in Alliance, OH ? Anyone ever go? A good fly-in with a good > > > turn out? Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431(blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > > List Contribution Web Site - > > > -Matt > > > Dralle, List - The --> > > > (blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" > > > target="1">http://www.matr &n - &nbs --> > > > http://www.matronics.com/co================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > w,courier" size="2"> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Logo Design.
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 12, 2013
Chris, Wonderful tribute to your Dad. Great airplane. Cool logos/lettering. Can't wait to see'er fly! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Chris Rusch <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 9:07 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Logo Design. > If your wondering, Bags was my dads nickname and he started this plane in t he mid 70's........ He passed away in 2002 with only the fusalage completed. s o I finished the plane and named it after him. That name is hand painted and th e bird logo is vinyl. -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404517#404517 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Steve Emo <steve.emo58(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 4 blade prop
Date: Jul 12, 2013
Look up advance ratio. In addition there is a slip factor where a small diameter high speed prop is better for higher speed plane. Steve On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:27 AM, wrote: > Dears, it was the best definition I've heard for this case until now. I have years working with airplanes and this was the best. > Thank you! > Roberto Serrano, > www.kraussaero.com.br > > -----Mensagem Original----- From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:55 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4 blade prop > > > UNCLASSIFIED > Dan, Love the look. > > Discussion on another list (Beech) talked quite a bit about the value of going from 2 to 3 blades on General Aviation airplanes > > Two blades is more efficient than three blades in all areas, except ground clearance and noise. On most prop planes the prop makes most of the noise, Engine is second. Look at the videos of the electric Sonex E-flight. The plane is almost as noisy as a regular plane. > > One member is an aerodynamics professor. He said it came down to this. The very most efficient prop is a Single, Big, Long Blade turning at slower RPM with great torque. Yes, a single, one side is a blade, the other is like a club. As you add, blades they become smaller bladed and shorter and less efficient. as you get into 3,4 and more blades they nowstart to run in each other's turbulance and the airflow becomes less smooth. Smaller diameter props have to run faster to make the same thrust. Also the Prop becomes more of a gyroscope as blades are added. > > That is why early planes with low horsepower engines, turning slow with big props were somewhat efficient. while early ultralights with fast turning chainsaw engines turning small props make a lot of noise with wasted horsepower. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > > On 07/11/13, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: >> I'll chop'em up with this. >> >> Dan Helsper >> Puryear, TN >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> >> To: pietenpol-list >> Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 11:12 am >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in >> >> I am based 60 north of Brodhead. We were in bad shape up until the past weekend. All seems good now and it should be dry here for the next week (according to the forecast). Sunday was the first day I was able to take theRocket out since May, it has been so wet. >> >> The real problem this year will be the mosquitos. The rain has made a real good crop this year. >> >> >> >> John Hofmann >> Vice-President, Information Technology >> The Rees Group, Inc. >> 2424 American Lane >> Madison, WI 53704 >> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 >> Fax: 608.443.2474 >> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com(blockedmailto:jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com) >> >> >> >> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:38 AM, airlion2(at)gmail.com(blockedmailto:airlion2(at)gmail.com) wrote: >> >> >> > >> > Does anyone know about the field conditions at Brodhead? Have they had > as much rain as everyone else? I will need a sub to get out of the > Atlanta area . Cheers, Gardiner >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > On Jul 11, 2013, at 9:55 AM, shad bell > wrote: >> > >> > >> > > >> > > I am planning on flying the piet up on saturday morning if the runway > > dries out. we have had 3- 4 inches of rain in the past week. Does > > anyone know if Barber field is a giant wet sponge at this point? >> > > >> > > Shad >> > > NX92GB >> > > -------------------------------------------- >> > > On Thu, 7/11/13, > > skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(blockedmailto:skipgadd(at)earthlink.net) > > wrote: >> > > >> > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in >> > > To: > > pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com(blockedmailto:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com) >> > > Date: Thursday, July 11, 2013, 8:39 AM >> > > >> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted >> > > by: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(blockedmailto:skipgadd(at)earthlink.net)" >> > > >> > > >> > > Ed Delancey and I are planning to drive up Friday. That is >> > > if the power >> > > here comes back on and I can leave Cinda home alone. >> > > Skip >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > [Original Message] >> > > > From: Pietflyer1977 > > > <rob(at)stoinoff.com(blockedmailto:rob(at)stoinoff.com)> >> > > > To: > > > >> > > > Date: 7/10/2013 9:02:11 PM >> > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in >> > > > >> > > > >> > > "Pietflyer1977" >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Is anyone in the Midwest going to the Barber Airport >> > > > >> > > fly-in this weekend >> > > in Alliance, OH ? Anyone ever go? A good fly-in with a good >> > > turn out? Thanks >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Read this topic online here: >> > > > >> > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431(blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431) >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Email Forum - >> > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> > > List Contribution Web Site - >> > > -Matt >> > > Dralle, List - The --> > > (blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" > > target="1">http://www.matr &n - &nbs --> > > http://www.matronics.com/co================ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> w,courier" size="2"> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > UNCLASSIFIED > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2013
Subject: Re: 4 blade prop
From: "contato (at)kraussaero.com.br" <contato(at)kraussaero.com.br>
Dear Steve, great! Tks again. Serrano Em 12/07/2013 08:07, "Steve Emo" escreveu: > > Look up advance ratio. > > In addition there is a slip factor where a small diameter high speed prop > is better for higher speed plane. > > > Steve > > On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:27 AM, wrote: > > > Dears, it was the best definition I've heard for this case until now. I > have years working with airplanes and this was the best. > > Thank you! > > Roberto Serrano, > > www.kraussaero.com.br > > > > -----Mensagem Original----- From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:55 PM > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4 blade prop > > " > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED > > Dan, Love the look. > > > > Discussion on another list (Beech) talked quite a bit about the value o f > going from 2 to 3 blades on General Aviation airplanes > > > > Two blades is more efficient than three blades in all areas, except > ground clearance and noise. On most prop planes the prop makes most of th e > noise, Engine is second. Look at the videos of the electric Sonex E-fligh t. > The plane is almost as noisy as a regular plane. > > > > One member is an aerodynamics professor. He said it came down to this. > The very most efficient prop is a Single, Big, Long Blade turning at slow er > RPM with great torque. Yes, a single, one side is a blade, the other is > like a club. As you add, blades they become smaller bladed and shorter an d > less efficient. as you get into 3,4 and more blades they nowstart to run in > each other's turbulance and the airflow becomes less smooth. Smaller > diameter props have to run faster to make the same thrust. Also the Prop > becomes more of a gyroscope as blades are added. > > > > That is why early planes with low horsepower engines, turning slow with > big props were somewhat efficient. while early ultralights with fast > turning chainsaw engines turning small props make a lot of noise with > wasted horsepower. > > > > Blue Skies, > > Steve D > > > > > > On 07/11/13, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > >> I'll chop'em up with this. > >> > >> Dan Helsper > >> Puryear, TN > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > >> To: pietenpol-list > >> Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 11:12 am > >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > >> > >> I am based 60 north of Brodhead. We were in bad shape up until the pas t > weekend. All seems good now and it should be dry here for the next week > (according to the forecast). Sunday was the first day I was able to take > theRocket out since May, it has been so wet. > >> > >> The real problem this year will be the mosquitos. The rain has made a > real good crop this year. > >> > >> > >> > >> John Hofmann > >> Vice-President, Information Technology > >> The Rees Group, Inc. > >> 2424 American Lane > >> Madison, WI 53704 > >> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > >> Fax: 608.443.2474 > >> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com( > blockedmailto:jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:38 AM, airlion2(at)gmail.com( > blockedmailto:airlion2(at)gmail.com) wrote: > >> > >> > blockedmailto:airlion2(at)gmail.com) > >> > > >> > Does anyone know about the field conditions at Brodhead? Have they > had > as much rain as everyone else? I will need a sub to get out of the > > Atlanta area . Cheers, Gardiner > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPad > >> > > >> > On Jul 11, 2013, at 9:55 AM, shad bell > blockedmailto:aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com)> wrote: > >> > > >> > > aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com(blockedmailto:aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com)> > >> > > > >> > > I am planning on flying the piet up on saturday morning if the > runway > > dries out. we have had 3- 4 inches of rain in the past week. > Does > > anyone know if Barber field is a giant wet sponge at this point? > >> > > > >> > > Shad > >> > > NX92GB > >> > > -------------------------------------------- > >> > > On Thu, 7/11/13, > > skipgadd(at)earthlink.net( > blockedmailto:skipgadd(at)earthlink.net) > > blockedmailto:skipgadd(at)earthlink.net)> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > >> > > To: > > pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com( > blockedmailto:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com) > >> > > Date: Thursday, July 11, 2013, 8:39 AM > >> > > > >> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > >> > > by: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(blockedmailto:skipgadd(at)earthlink.net)" > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Ed Delancey and I are planning to drive up Friday. That is > >> > > if the power > >> > > here comes back on and I can leave Cinda home alone. > >> > > Skip > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > [Original Message] > >> > > > From: Pietflyer1977 > > > <rob(at)stoinoff.com( > blockedmailto:rob(at)stoinoff.com)> > >> > > > To: > > > blockedmailto:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com)> > >> > > > Date: 7/10/2013 9:02:11 PM > >> > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > "Pietflyer1977" > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Is anyone in the Midwest going to the Barber Airport > >> > > > > >> > > fly-in this weekend > >> > > in Alliance, OH ? Anyone ever go? A good fly-in with a good > >> > > turn out? Thanks > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Read this topic online here: > >> > > > > >> > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431(blockedhttp:/ /forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431) > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Email Forum - > >> > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > >> > > List Contribution Web Site - > >> > > -Matt > >> > > Dralle, List - The --> > > (blockedhttp:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" > > target="1">http://www.m atr&n - &nbs --> > > > http://www.matronics.com/co=============== = > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> w,courier" size="2"> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > UNCLASSIFIED > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Upcoming Corvair Colleges
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 12, 2013
If you're thinking about using a Corvair then you should strongly consider attending a college. CC26 will be in Mexico, MO 18-20 Sep 13. CC27 will be in Barnwell, SC 8-10 Nov 13. CC28 will be in San Marcos, TX 28 Feb-2 Mar 14. Shelley has made Facebook pages for each event. We're hosting the TX event so CC28's page will be updated frequently. She'll update the other two events as she gets information. You can also contact Zenith Aircraft for information on CC26 & PF Beck for CC27. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404535#404535 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jul 12, 2013
Subject: Re: 4 blade prop
UNCLASSIFIED Yes, The discussion was based on somewhat slow general aviation aircraft. Not 300 MPH screamers but up to 200 MPH plus or minus General aviation planes. Also based on currently availiable props, not on any breakthrough technology. Blue Skies, Steve D On 07/12/13, Steve Emo wrote: > > Look up advance ratio. > > In addition there is a slip factor where a small diameter high speed prop is better for higher speed plane. > > > Steve > > On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:27 AM, wrote: > > > Dears, it was the best definition I've heard for this case until now. I have years working with airplanes and this was the best. > > Thank you! > > Roberto Serrano, > > www.kraussaero.com.br > > > > -----Mensagem Original----- From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:55 PM > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4 blade prop > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED > > Dan, Love the look. > > > > Discussion on another list (Beech) talked quite a bit about the value of going from 2 to 3 blades on General Aviation airplanes > > > > Two blades is more efficient than three blades in all areas, except ground clearance and noise. On most prop planes the prop makes most of the noise, Engine is second. Look at the videos of the electric Sonex E-flight. The plane is almost as noisy as a regular plane. > > > > One member is an aerodynamics professor. He said it came down to this. The very most efficient prop is a Single, Big, Long Blade turning at slower RPM with great torque. Yes, a single, one side is a blade, the other is like a club. As you add, blades they become smaller bladed and shorter and less efficient. as you get into 3,4 and more blades they nowstart to run in each other's turbulance and the airflow becomes less smooth. Smaller diameter props have to run faster to make the same thrust. Also the Prop becomes more of a gyroscope as blades are added. > > > > That is why early planes with low horsepower engines, turning slow with big props were somewhat efficient. while early ultralights with fast turning chainsaw engines turning small props make a lot of noise with wasted horsepower. > > > > Blue Skies, > > Steve D > > > > > > On 07/11/13, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > >> I'll chop'em up with this. > >> > >> Dan Helsper > >> Puryear, TN > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > >> To: pietenpol-list > >> Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 11:12 am > >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > >> > >> I am based 60 north of Brodhead. We were in bad shape up until the past weekend. All seems good now and it should be dry here for the next week (according to the forecast). Sunday was the first day I was able to take theRocket out since May, it has been so wet. > >> > >> The real problem this year will be the mosquitos. The rain has made a real good crop this year. > >> > >> > >> > >> John Hofmann > >> Vice-President, Information Technology > >> The Rees Group, Inc. > >> 2424 American Lane > >> Madison, WI 53704 > >> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > >> Fax: 608.443.2474 > >> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com(blockedmailto:jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com(javascript:main.compose()) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:38 AM, airlion2(at)gmail.com(blockedmailto:airlion2(at)gmail.com(javascript:main.compose()) wrote: > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Does anyone know about the field conditions at Brodhead? Have they had > as much rain as everyone else? I will need a sub to get out of the > Atlanta area . Cheers, Gardiner > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPad > >> > > >> > On Jul 11, 2013, at 9:55 AM, shad bell > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I am planning on flying the piet up on saturday morning if the runway > > dries out. we have had 3- 4 inches of rain in the past week. Does > > anyone know if Barber field is a giant wet sponge at this point? > >> > > > >> > > Shad > >> > > NX92GB > >> > > -------------------------------------------- > >> > > On Thu, 7/11/13, > > skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(blockedmailto:skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(javascript:main.compose()) > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > >> > > To: > > pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com(blockedmailto:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com(javascript:main.compose()) > >> > > Date: Thursday, July 11, 2013, 8:39 AM > >> > > > >> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > >> > > by: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(blockedmailto:skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(javascript:main.compose())" > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Ed Delancey and I are planning to drive up Friday. That is > >> > > if the power > >> > > here comes back on and I can leave Cinda home alone. > >> > > Skip > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > [Original Message] > >> > > > From: Pietflyer1977 > > > <rob(at)stoinoff.com(blockedmailto:rob(at)stoinoff.com(javascript:main.compose())> > >> > > > To: > > > > >> > > > Date: 7/10/2013 9:02:11 PM > >> > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > "Pietflyer1977" > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Is anyone in the Midwest going to the Barber Airport > >> > > > > >> > > fly-in this weekend > >> > > in Alliance, OH ? Anyone ever go? A good fly-in with a good > >> > > turn out? Thanks > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Read this topic online here: > >> > > > > >> > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431(blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431) > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Email Forum - > >> > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > >> > > List Contribution Web Site - > >> > > -Matt > >> > > Dralle, List - The --> > > (blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" > > target="1">http://www.matr &n - &nbs --> > > http://www.matronics.com/co================ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> w,courier" size="2"> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > UNCLASSIFIED > > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 4 blade prop
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 12, 2013
That's where I have the advantage....the breakthrough technology I am using . The way I figure it, I'll be able to go twice as fast with the two extra blades. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> Sent: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 9:51 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4 blade prop UNCLASSIFIED Yes, The discussion was based on somewhat slow general aviation aircraft. Not 300 MPH screamers but up to 200 MPH plus or minus General aviation planes. Also based on currently availiable props, not on any breakthrough technology. Blue Skies, Steve D On 07/12/13, Steve Emo wrote: > > Look up advance ratio. > > In addition there is a slip factor where a small diameter high speed prop is better for higher speed plane. > > > Steve > > On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:27 AM, wrote: > > > Dears, it was the best definition I've heard for this case until now. I have years working with airplanes and this was the best. > > Thank you! > > Roberto Serrano, > > www.kraussaero.com.br > > > > -----Mensagem Original----- From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:55 PM > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4 blade prop > > " > > > > UNCLASSIFIED > > Dan, Love the look. > > > > Discussion on another list (Beech) talked quite a bit about the value o f going from 2 to 3 blades on General Aviation airplanes > > > > Two blades is more efficient than three blades in all areas, except gro und clearance and noise. On most prop planes the prop makes most of the noise, Engine is second. Look at the videos of the electric Sonex E-flight. The pl ane is almost as noisy as a regular plane. > > > > One member is an aerodynamics professor. He said it came down to this. The very most efficient prop is a Single, Big, Long Blade turning at slower RPM with great torque. Yes, a single, one side is a blade, the other is like a club. As you add, blades they become smaller bladed and shorter and less efficient. as you get into 3,4 and more blades they nowstart to run in each other's turbu lance and the airflow becomes less smooth. Smaller diameter props have to run fas ter to make the same thrust. Also the Prop becomes more of a gyroscope as blade s are added. > > > > That is why early planes with low horsepower engines, turning slow with big props were somewhat efficient. while early ultralights with fast turning chainsaw engines turning small props make a lot of noise with wasted horsep ower. > > > > Blue Skies, > > Steve D > > > > > > On 07/11/13, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote: > >> I'll chop'em up with this. > >> > >> Dan Helsper > >> Puryear, TN > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> > >> To: pietenpol-list > >> Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 11:12 am > >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > >> > >> I am based 60 north of Brodhead. We were in bad shape up until the pas t weekend. All seems good now and it should be dry here for the next week (according to the forecast). Sunday was the first day I was able to take theRocket out since May, it has been so wet. > >> > >> The real problem this year will be the mosquitos. The rain has made a real good crop this year. > >> > >> > >> > >> John Hofmann > >> Vice-President, Information Technology > >> The Rees Group, Inc. > >> 2424 American Lane > >> Madison, WI 53704 > >> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > >> Fax: 608.443.2474 > >> Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com(blockedmailto:jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.c om(javascript:main.compose()) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jul 11, 2013, at 10:38 AM, airlion2(at)gmail.com(blockedmailto:airlion 2(at)gmail.com(javascript:main.compose()) wrote: > >> > >> ilto:airlion2(at)gmail.com(javascript:main.compose()) > >> > > >> > Does anyone know about the field conditions at Brodhead? Have they h ad > as much rain as everyone else? I will need a sub to get out of the > Atlant a area . Cheers, Gardiner > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPad > >> > > >> > On Jul 11, 2013, at 9:55 AM, shad bell > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I am planning on flying the piet up on saturday morning if the run way > > dries out. we have had 3- 4 inches of rain in the past week. Does > > any one know if Barber field is a giant wet sponge at this point? > >> > > > >> > > Shad > >> > > NX92GB > >> > > -------------------------------------------- > >> > > On Thu, 7/11/13, > > skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(blockedmailto:skipgadd @earthlink.net(javascript:main.compose()) > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > >> > > To: > > pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com(blockedmailto:pietenpol-list@ matronics.com(javascript:main.compose()) > >> > > Date: Thursday, July 11, 2013, 8:39 AM > >> > > > >> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > >> > > by: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(blockedmailto:skipgadd(at)earthlink.net(j avascript:main.compose())" > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Ed Delancey and I are planning to drive up Friday. That is > >> > > if the power > >> > > here comes back on and I can leave Cinda home alone. > >> > > Skip > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > [Original Message] > >> > > > From: Pietflyer1977 > > > <rob(at)stoinoff.com(blockedmailto:rob@st oinoff.com(javascript:main.compose())> > >> > > > To: > > > > >> > > > Date: 7/10/2013 9:02:11 PM > >> > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alliance Ohio Fly-in > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > "Pietflyer1977" > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Is anyone in the Midwest going to the Barber Airport > >> > > > > >> > > fly-in this weekend > >> > > in Alliance, OH ? Anyone ever go? A good fly-in with a good > >> > > turn out? Thanks > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Read this topic online here: > >> > > > > >> > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431(bloc kedhttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404431#404431) > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Email Forum - > >> > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > >> > > List Contribution Web Site - > >> > > -Matt > >> > > Dralle, List - The --> > > (blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Naviga tor?Pietenpol-List" > > target="1">http://www.matr &n - &nbs --> > > http://www.matronics.com /co================ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> w,courier" size="2"> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > UNCLASSIFIED > > > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 4 blade prop
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2013
Look up Everel Propellers. ... as stated above hence the big paddle blade prop on my Piet. Cheers, KAP -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404552#404552 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Logo Design.
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Jul 12, 2013
That is awesome! Really love the colors and such. Hate to say it so early in the process, but I've considered OD green and black as well... much of my metal work thus far is flat black... just don't really know how I'd like to finish up at this point. A bit premature for me, but your airplane looks way cool. Right out of the Wacky Races, and I mean that in the most positive way! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404559#404559 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: O-200 For sale
Date: Jul 12, 2013
This came up in the local classified today, just forwarding the ad on. I have no affiliation with engine or seller. Brian SLC-UT http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=25972539&cat=151&lpid=&search=&a d_cid=3 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Weber <ransfly(at)aol.com>
Subject: Chapter project jump start!
Date: Jul 13, 2013
Hi All, EAA chapter 534 in Leesburg, Fl. just got a jump start on building a Piet as a chapter project. We found a local project that was for sale and brought it to our chapter hangar. We also have a core Corvair engine that we are planning to rebuild(per William Wynne) for our engine! Appreciate the info we read on the list. John Weber ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Chapter project jump start!
Date: Jul 13, 2013
Happy building, 534!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Weber Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chapter project jump start! Hi All, EAA chapter 534 in Leesburg, Fl. just got a jump start on building a Piet as a chapter project. We found a local project that was for sale and brought it to our chapter hangar. We also have a core Corvair engine that we are planning to rebuild(per William Wynne) for our engine! Appreciate the info we read on the list. John Weber ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: New Spar In Place
Date: Jul 13, 2013
My wing rebuild is progressing slowly, taking back seat to moving OUT and moving IN.but there is some progress. New spar is in place! I am also removing the BHP A-frame tailwheel and replacing with a spring and bona-fide tailwheel. Today, generous locals brought me a used Scott, full-swivel tailwheel and a brand new set of springs! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2013
Subject: Re: New Spar In Place
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Looking good, Gary. On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > My wing rebuild is progressing slowly, taking back seat to moving OUT and > moving IN=85but there is some progress. New spar is in place! I am also > removing the BHP A-frame tailwheel and replacing with a spring and > bona-fide tailwheel. Today, generous locals brought me a used Scott, > full-swivel tailwheel and a brand new set of springs! **** > > ** ** > > **** > > ** ** > > Gary Boothe**** > > NX308MB**** > > ** ** > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Upcoming Corvair Colleges
Date: Jul 13, 2013
Kevin I also heard there is another onr coming to Oshkosh in October. I am planning on going to that one it it happens. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 9:43 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Upcoming Corvair Colleges > > > If you're thinking about using a Corvair then you should strongly consider > attending a college. > > CC26 will be in Mexico, MO 18-20 Sep 13. > CC27 will be in Barnwell, SC 8-10 Nov 13. > CC28 will be in San Marcos, TX 28 Feb-2 Mar 14. > > Shelley has made Facebook pages for each event. We're hosting the TX > event so CC28's page will be updated frequently. She'll update the other > two events as she gets information. You can also contact Zenith Aircraft > for information on CC26 & PF Beck for CC27. > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > Rebuilding NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404535#404535 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Spar In Place
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 14, 2013
Looks good Gary. Brodhead '14? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN Non-bona-fide tailwheel -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:11 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place My wing rebuild is progressing slowly, taking back seat to moving OUT and m oving INbut there is some progress. New spar is in place! I am als o removing the BHP A-frame tailwheel and replacing with a spring and bona-f ide tailwheel. Today, generous locals brought me a used Scott, full-swivel tailwheel and a brand new set of springs! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: New Spar In Place
Date: Jul 14, 2013
I plan on goingbut not in my Piet. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 4:06 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place Looks good Gary. Brodhead '14? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN Non-bona-fide tailwheel -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:11 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place My wing rebuild is progressing slowly, taking back seat to moving OUT and moving INbut there is some progress. New spar is in place! I am also removing the BHP A-frame tailwheel and replacing with a spring and bona-fide tailwheel. Today, generous locals brought me a used Scott, full-swivel tailwheel and a brand new set of springs! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "l.morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: New Spar In Place
Date: Jul 14, 2013
Gary, I'm interested to know why you are abandoning the A-frame tail wheel and going to a "bonafide tailwheel," which I presume would extend beyond the end of the fuselage. I was thinking of doing just the opposite. Last Thursday, I managed to do a groundloop while doing a high speed taxi on a hard surface taxiway. My "bonafide tailwheel," turned out to be a 14 inch lever that broke the tailpost when it went off the taxiway. My first thought was to replace it with an A-frame, then I saw your posting???? Other thoughts on my groundloop: 1. The rudder is less effective than I would have thought at low speeds. 2. A Pietenpol really likes grass. Do you want to sell your A-frame? Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place My wing rebuild is progressing slowly, taking back seat to moving OUT and moving IN.but there is some progress. New spar is in place! I am also removing the BHP A-frame tailwheel and replacing with a spring and bona-fide tailwheel. Today, generous locals brought me a used Scott, full-swivel tailwheel and a brand new set of springs! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: New Spar In Place
Date: Jul 14, 2013
Larry, I agree with you. I had a "Bonafide" tailwheel on a leaf spring. When I had my forced landing which culminated in a broken axle and groundloop, the tailwheel acted as a 14" lever and cracked my lower right longeron. I went to the A-Frame design after that. I first made it to the Pietenpol plans for the tailskid and just added the mount for a tailwheel. I found that the A-Frame with no reinforcing was too flexible and the tailwheel could twist the frame, rather than turn the airplane. I modified it by going to thicker walled tubing and adding a cross piece between the two arms, and it has been fine for the last 8 years. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of l.morlock Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place Gary, I'm interested to know why you are abandoning the A-frame tail wheel and going to a "bonafide tailwheel," which I presume would extend beyond the end of the fuselage. I was thinking of doing just the opposite. Last Thursday, I managed to do a groundloop while doing a high speed taxi on a hard surface taxiway. My "bonafide tailwheel," turned out to be a 14 inch lever that broke the tailpost when it went off the taxiway. My first thought was to replace it with an A-frame, then I saw your posting???? Other thoughts on my groundloop: 1. The rudder is less effective than I would have thought at low speeds. 2. A Pietenpol really likes grass. Do you want to sell your A-frame? Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place My wing rebuild is progressing slowly, taking back seat to moving OUT and moving IN.but there is some progress. New spar is in place! I am also removing the BHP A-frame tailwheel and replacing with a spring and bona-fide tailwheel. Today, generous locals brought me a used Scott, full-swivel tailwheel and a brand new set of springs! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: New Spar In Place
Date: Jul 14, 2013
Ha! The Quest for the Perfect Tailwheel! You may as well ask what's better? Republican or Democrat? Catholic or Protestant? Cake or pie? It's Bernouli's Principle of Tailwheels: "The number of opinions you get varies directly with the number of people you talk to." I would let Kevin chime in for himself, but he replaced his A-frame with a spring after about 25 hrs. Looking thru www.Westcoastpiet.com, you will also see a wide variation. In my case, part of the problem is how I designed my whole rudder pedal set up and linkage to the rudder and tailwheel. Moving the tailwheel back will allow me to connect to the rudder with a rudder horn, eliminating one problem. My only concern is the added stress to the rudder hinges. Obviously, careful thought needs to go into attaching the springs without adding too much weight. I'm very sorry to hear of your misfortune, Larry, and hope the repair goes smoothly. My A-frame is certainly NOT for sale, but, if you send me a shipping address, you find it on your doorstep one day soon! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 7:23 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Spar In Place Larry, I agree with you. I had a "Bonafide" tailwheel on a leaf spring. When I had my forced landing which culminated in a broken axle and groundloop, the tailwheel acted as a 14" lever and cracked my lower right longeron. I went to the A-Frame design after that. I first made it to the Pietenpol plans for the tailskid and just added the mount for a tailwheel. I found that the A-Frame with no reinforcing was too flexible and the tailwheel could twist the frame, rather than turn the airplane. I modified it by going to thicker walled tubing and adding a cross piece between the

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