Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-mw
August 25, 2013 - September 17, 2013
Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-mw
August 25, 2013 - September 17, 2013
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Subject: Re: NX626E
From: "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2013
Indeed, I live in Gig Harbor across the narrows from Tacoma, WA and Oscar, I don't
mean to talk you out of attending a great event - I only meant that it is
not my cup of tea. You could easily attend it and visit your friends on the same
trip if you're inclined.
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Subject: So. California Air Races
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 26, 2013
Hi Pieters,
Since there was some talk last week of air racing a Piet I thought I would give
Vintage air racing a try myself. The attached pic is the winners sitting on
the podium. Yes the Blue and yellow planes came in second and third. Yes this
past Saturday was a great day.
If you guys should ever find your way to Flabob airport in Southern CA, don't miss
looking at the wonderful air racers. They are amazing.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: Re: Control system bearings
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2013
Skip, thanks.. Had I done the math I'd have seen that.. Apparently I did do the
math prior to placing my order cause my invoice shows .058 material, but ASS
sent me .049. Didn't notice until now. Better check everything.
Tom B.
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 25, 2013, at 4:49 PM, "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
wrote:
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> Tom,
> .058 is the magic size. The ID of any size will fit the OD of the next
> smaller size.
> Skip
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>> [Original Message]
>> From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: 8/25/2013 4:21:05 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control system bearings
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>> What are people using for bearings in the control system. For the torque
> tube I thought some 1" .049 tube would work but seems a bit loose. Could
> machine something down from a thicker tube or look into a buyout part.
> Curious what others are using.
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>> Tom B.
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From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: NX626E
Date: Aug 26, 2013
Thanks, Bill. I thought that if you were in CA, I might fire up the Waiex and visit
you, but two States away is a bit much for this local flyer this summer.
I would sure love to see your Piet , especially those run-up brakes!
Ray Krause
SkyScout in progress.
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:22 PM, "BYD" wrote:
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don't mean to talk you out of attending a great event - I only meant that it is
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same trip if you're inclined.
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From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: So. California Air Races
Date: Aug 26, 2013
We need details!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 26, 2013, at 5:56 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:
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> Hi Pieters,
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> Since there was some talk last week of air racing a Piet I thought I would give
Vintage air racing a try myself. The attached pic is the winners sitting
on the podium. Yes the Blue and yellow planes came in second and third. Yes
this past Saturday was a great day.
>
> If you guys should ever find your way to Flabob airport in Southern CA, don't
miss looking at the wonderful air racers. They are amazing.
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: Re: So. California Air Races
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 26, 2013
Well Ray,
Since you asked. It was a tough race. I won it with good strategy. They never
saw it coming. It was a standing start race, around the pylons once then landing
to a full stop. The piet had the advantage from the start. I broke ground
in less than 100 feet and made the first turn before they were wheels up.
I got them at the second turn, they just got past me at the third turn and then
the big surprise was during landing when I was able to get on the ground and
stopped in the first few hundred feet of the runway. Those poor guys with all
their speed had to roll all the way to the end of the runway. I win!!!
It was a great day for the Piet community. They will probably never admit to
the loss, so please don't embarrass them by asking. I was there. you gotta believe
me.
The other story would be that I was just hanging out with some friends and they
were there too.
We can all dream,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: So. California Air Races
Date: Aug 26, 2013
Fantastic! They may change the rules next year. Maybe that would be a good kind
of "race" to have at Broadhead? But since I have never been there, how would
I know?
Thanks,
Ryan Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 26, 2013, at 8:36 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:
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> Well Ray,
>
> Since you asked. It was a tough race. I won it with good strategy. They never
saw it coming. It was a standing start race, around the pylons once then
landing to a full stop. The piet had the advantage from the start. I broke ground
in less than 100 feet and made the first turn before they were wheels up.
I got them at the second turn, they just got past me at the third turn and
then the big surprise was during landing when I was able to get on the ground
and stopped in the first few hundred feet of the runway. Those poor guys with
all their speed had to roll all the way to the end of the runway. I win!!!
>
> It was a great day for the Piet community. They will probably never admit to
the loss, so please don't embarrass them by asking. I was there. you gotta
believe me.
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> The other story would be that I was just hanging out with some friends and they
were there too.
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: Selling my GN-1 Aircamper
From: "ldmill" <lorin.miller(at)emerson.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2013
Guys - I hate to do it, but it's time to let the Aircamper go. I'm starting to
build a Sky Scout and just finished my Sonex/Waiex - don't have time to fly two
planes AND build... so the Aircamper needs to go. Some of you may remember
it up at Brodhead this year - N30PP, blue with yellow wing. She's running like
a top, 910 hours on the Cont. A75. Less than 200 on a complete overhaul including
the McCauley metal prop, Marvel Schebler carb and new Slick mags (rebuilt
cylinder right after the Brodhead fly-in). New tires and tubes, bungees and
covers, right wheel cylinder and both exhaust stacks. 14 gallon header tank and
4 gallon center section tank, two doors (which I absolutely LOVE). Comes with
a Garmin GPS Pilot III and an intercom for passenger comms. The annual is good
till May of 2014. Price is $10500 and is posted on Barnstormers as of today.
Based in Marshalltown Iowa (KMIW)
Lorin Miller
email: lorin.miller(at)emerson.com
Cell: 641-485-0840
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Lorin Miller
Waiex N81YX
GN-1 N30PP
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Subject: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in?
From: "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2013
Decided to go with piano hinge on my rudder. I used 3 6 barrel sections I bonded
them in with epoxy and used stainless steel Roll pins that are also bonded
in to keep things nice and flush. Well, when I put it all together my thought
was to keep a smaller gap between the rudder and vertical fin. The problem is
the rudder has 12" of travel on the trailing edge in each direction giving me
a total of 24" total travel. This is because the "main beams" of each surface
come in contact with each other. To me the elevator cut out is 30" and that should
be the rudder travel. So can I leave it? Can I bevel the main beam any? Or
am I stuck with destroying my hard work trying to readjust the hinges. Thanks
Kyle
--------
Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the
flight.
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Subject: Re: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in?
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2013
Kyle; I just remade the rudder bar stops on my airplane. I wanted to get all the
rudder throw that I could, so my rudder pretty much goes from elevator edge
to elevator edge, just short of actually touching control surfaces. My airplane
runs out of rudder in a strong x-wind or slip.
I don't have my plans here to be able to check the dimension between elevators,
but I would sure hate to give up 3" of rudder travel on each side if that's what
you're saying it amounts to at the trailing edge of the rudder.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: Re: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in?
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2013
You can bevel the edges to gain more travel. Based on your description I'm not
sure how much linear travel you need to gain, but a little beveling gains quite
a bit. Be sure and bevel each piece (the stab and the rudder) to share the
load so to speak.
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Subject: Re: So. California Air Races
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2013
that is a great picture. could you send me an email with it I might keep? I was
not able to copy and paste it. I guess it's too large. Raymond
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear
Date: Aug 27, 2013
Paul-I've seen many of the WWI type replicas with either steel tube (stream
lined) or aluminum for the Jenny
style gear legs instead of wood.
I have seen a few metal streamlined gear legs which were painted to look li
ke wood grain too and boy, what a fooler.
I was convinced they were wood gear legs from about 10 feet away. Can't s
eem to find any photos of that example but
it is one other option besides the wood gear legs.
Mike C.
(scroll down for more examples)
[cid:image001.png(at)01CEA300.0EE1CE50]
(photo courtesy of: http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/fokker-dvii/bu
ild-story
[cid:image002.png(at)01CEA300.0EE1CE50]
[cid:image003.png(at)01CEA300.0EE1CE50]
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/replica-aircraft/50506-airdrome-nieuport-
17-florida-version-52.html
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Subject: Re: So. California Air Races
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 27, 2013
GNflyer
I sent it to your email. Let me know if you got it OK. It looks to be the correct
size when I sent it to you. I don't understand why it is so big when posted
to this forum.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: So. California Air Races
Date: Aug 27, 2013
"Pietenpols may appear larger than actual size."
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: So. California Air Races
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GNflyer
I sent it to your email. Let me know if you got it OK. It looks to be the
correct size when I sent it to you. I don't understand why it is so big
when posted to this forum.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: Passanger safety & others thing
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2013
like the skirt security device, the seat, etc, etc... just for fun
How many cables can you count?..
not archive
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Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Subject: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 27, 2013
Hi Paul,
The gear on my plane is copied from a Thomas Morse Scout. It has a full floating
axle which means the axle is free to move from side to side and it can rotate.
It has rotated several times when a wheel runs dry on grease. I don't have
wheel bearings, just brass bushings in the wheels. If you are planning on
using brakes there is an easy solution to stop the axle from rotating. Just slip
a square piece of tubing over the axle and secure it to the axle. I guess
you could either weld or bolt it into place. I will attach some pics for you
to look at. I would need to go to the airport and measure the tubing since I
don't remember the dimensions. I won't be able to get out there for about a
week. Please keep in mind that the attached pics don't show the two sets of cross
wires.
Let me know what else you need so I can help you out.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Date: Aug 27, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear
"...i'm going for a vintage piet racer look with wide streamlining of strut
s (imagine Bernard had a skunkworks division.- LOL)"=0A=0AI like your thi
nking Paul!- Maybe some steam punk work as well?=0A=0A-=0AMichael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: Re: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in?
From: "Kyle85" <boschkyle(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2013
Just want to thank you both for the input. Initially I panicked, just need some
rational thinking. I did bevel the beams I don't think it robbed much strength.
Also I am using fir which is slightly stronger. Those bevels(I also slightly rounded
them) actually give things a more streamlined look. The problem is now everyone
knows it was a mistake. DOH! Thanks again.
Kyle
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Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the
flight.
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Subject: Re: Well, I goofed up. How much trouble am I in?
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2013
Negative ghostrider...
Many of these are rounded over. Furthermore, the gap closing, when you need the
authority the most, increases efficiency at THAT point. Call it deliberate.
Or, in the real world, NO ONE will notice but you anyway anyway!
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: excuse the intrusion...
Date: Aug 28, 2013
But it was noted on the list that the Pietenpol will run out of rudder authority
sometimes in a severe crosswind. I've landed in some nasty,
gusty crosswinds and I've always considered the rudder authority on the Pietenpol
to be quite sufficient. The only complaint I've had is that
even when you're completely down on a gusty, nasty, crosswind day that a strong
gust can lift the light Pietenpol off the pavement or grass
again sometimes when least expected. Your mileage may vary.
Mike C.
(I now leave the nasty, gusty, crosswind days to the airliners and the airline
pilots)
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Date: Aug 28, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear
"...I probably pissed off enough people already."=0A=0AHA! I hear ya.- At
least keep me posted on your creations and progress.=0A=0A-=0AMichael Pe
rez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Congratulations Doc Mosher!
Date: Aug 28, 2013
The guy....along with his lovely wife Dee, who produce our BPAN newsletter.
88 years old and going strong.
Thank you Doc.
Mike C.
https://www.facebook.com/WisAviationHallofFame?hc_location=stream
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Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2013
Mikee: I resemble that remark, and I'm the one who said that I have run out of
rudder before. In light of your "intrusion" (and my second thoughts on the remark
that I made), I will rephrase my statement as follows: "less-experienced
Piet pilots may run out of rudder if they don't properly anticipate the correction
that will be needed".
It is obvious that better and more experienced pilots like yourself "just deal
with it" and are never caught yelling "Yikes!!" when the airplane starts to drift
despite putting all of your foot into it when you're somewhere between still
flying, touching down, and the deep blue sea ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
Date: Aug 28, 2013
Ah, very good Oscar but I'm sure I fudged a few of those landings by actually landing
diagonally on purpose on some of the runways to take out
the crosswind component if I had a runway that was wide enough. I've said yikes
a few times myself....sometimes even shoot or holy shit:)
Mike C.
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Aug 28, 2013
Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
UNCLASSIFIED
lots of early airfields were just that. A big field with a windsock. taxi to the
downwind side and take off into the wind. So very little crosswind.
used to skydive in Germany from such a field.
Blue Skies,
Steve
On 08/28/13, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" wrote:
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> Ah, very good Oscar but I'm sure I fudged a few of those landings by actually
landing diagonally on purpose on some of the runways to take out
> the crosswind component if I had a runway that was wide enough. I've said yikes
a few times myself....sometimes even shoot or holy shit:)
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UNCLASSIFIED
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Subject: Priceless
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: Aug 28, 2013
Evening flight on the outskirts of Winnipeg.
8:00PM and still 32deg C out.
Gotta love it!!!
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 28, 2013
That crosswind was fairly nasty this year at Brodhead. I didn't (and have n
ever experienced) running out of rudder authority. After a few flights that
day, I elected to call it quits because of over-all conditions, but not sp
ecifically because of that (rudder) factor.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC]
Sent: Wed, Aug 28, 2013 10:50 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: excuse the intrusion...
Partners, LLC]"
But it was noted on the list that the Pietenpol will run out of rudder auth
ority
sometimes in a severe crosswind. I've landed in some nasty,
gusty crosswinds and I've always considered the rudder authority on the
Pietenpol to be quite sufficient. The only complaint I've had is that
even when you're completely down on a gusty, nasty, crosswind day that a st
rong
gust can lift the light Pietenpol off the pavement or grass
again sometimes when least expected. Your mileage may vary.
Mike C.
(I now leave the nasty, gusty, crosswind days to the airliners and the airl
ine
pilots)
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Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2013
I'm a big fan of just turning the runway into the wind... just sayin...
Insofar as the Piet, most of the fields I fly out of down in GA are essentially
surrounded by TALL trees on all four sides. On windy days, the transition down
into them at about tree top level gets AWFUL sporty. I've been stop to stop
on the ailerons quite a bit (with piano hinges making them responsive in the
Piet world). Once you're down past that it generally calms down quite a bit
and I've never seen a steady crosswind in the flare and touchdown phase.
It'll also toss you quite a bit in the yaw axis and I've never felt I didn't have
enough rudder there.
Like Mike, after few windy days like that, I just quit flying when it's that bad.
I have found if the wind picks up a wing, you don't have enough rudder to
fix it without getting the wing back down. Which is what you should be doing
anyway, so I don't consider it a limiting thing. On the plus side, the tail dragger
configured Glastar I fly has a HUGE vert stab. Big enough allow the thing
to wind vane while taxiing that can't be fixed with the rudder alone, you
have to get into the brakes just a little. The Piet's vert stab seems to be proportionate
to the rudder and doesn't have that problem.
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From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Priceless
Date: Aug 28, 2013
Isn't that where you can watch your dog run away for
three days? :-)
Clif
> Evening flight on the outskirts of Winnipeg.
> 8:00PM and still 32deg C out.
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> Gotta love it!!!
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> Adrian M
> Winnipeg, MB
> Canada
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Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2013
Isn't it satisfying every time you hear another thing about the Piet that is "just
right", or at least not nasty? It's no wonder it's been around for so long
in almost exactly the same form as it was 85 years ago! There are only a few
machines of equal complexity and duty that are still around in their same form
after almost a century. The crowbar and ball-peen hammer come to mind ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: Re: Priceless
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2013
How many degrees is that in American? ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Priceless
Date: Aug 28, 2013
http://www.wbuf.noaa.gov/tempfc.htm
Clif
>
> How many degrees is that in American? ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
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Subject: Re: Priceless
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: Aug 29, 2013
Yep that's the place! - also get to see sunshine more than 20 days of the year
if you know what I'm sayin.
cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> Isn't that where you can watch your dog run away for
> three days? :-)
> Clif
>
>
> > Evening flight on the outskirts of Winnipeg.
> > 8:00PM and still 32deg C out.
> >
> > Gotta love it!!!
> >
> > --------
> > Adrian M
> > Winnipeg, MB
> > Canada
> >
> >
>
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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Subject: stall speed
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2013
Hi Folks..
My GN-1 stalls around 43-45mph w/just me in it. 50mph at gross wt. I did the box
pattern w/gps at stall and cruise, checking accuracy of my a/s indicator and
I've determined that it is very accurate. GN-1 spec's when googled, show a 35mph
stall for a GN-1. The gps readings average 2-3 mph faster than indicated,
but I figure the speeds will true out a few mph higher than the indicator at 2-3000'.
Could this be a rigging issue? Perhaps the trailing edge of wings could
be lowered slightly? What are you folks indicating at the stall break?
In anycase, I'm ok w/it as is (accustomed to it). I've been flying it a couple
of yrs now. I put a tape marker at 1.3x stall so as not to get below it while
on approach. It handles gusty conditions very well...about like a Pitts.
Other numbers (indicated) as follows:
Full Throttle cruise 83-85mph
Cruise 2100rpm 73-75mph
A65-8/W72CK-42
--------
L.Metzel
KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
AN Hardware
Airframe 712TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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Date: Aug 29, 2013
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: stall speed
I did a few stalls this morning, and my airspeed indicator drops to zero
before it breaks with the power on, stalls around 32 power off.
700 lb empty weight, with just me (175 lbs) and about 8 gallons of fuel.
Ben Charvet
On 8/29/2013 10:50 AM, TriScout wrote:
>
> Hi Folks..
>
> My GN-1 stalls around 43-45mph w/just me in it. 50mph at gross wt. I did the
box pattern w/gps at stall and cruise, checking accuracy of my a/s indicator and
I've determined that it is very accurate. GN-1 spec's when googled, show a
35mph stall for a GN-1. The gps readings average 2-3 mph faster than indicated,
but I figure the speeds will true out a few mph higher than the indicator at
2-3000'. Could this be a rigging issue? Perhaps the trailing edge of wings could
be lowered slightly? What are you folks indicating at the stall break?
>
> In anycase, I'm ok w/it as is (accustomed to it). I've been flying it a couple
of yrs now. I put a tape marker at 1.3x stall so as not to get below it while
on approach. It handles gusty conditions very well...about like a Pitts.
>
> Other numbers (indicated) as follows:
> Full Throttle cruise 83-85mph
> Cruise 2100rpm 73-75mph
>
> A65-8/W72CK-42
>
> --------
> L.Metzel
> KLNC
> A65-8
> N2308C
> AN Hardware
> Airframe 712TT
> W72CK-42 Sensenich
> Standard Factory GN-1
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407702#407702
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Date: Aug 29, 2013
From: steve(at)wotelectronics.com
Subject: Re: stall speed
My GN-1 never breaks into a stall, it just mushes, with good aileron
control and a high sink rate. If I got really aggressive and pulled the
stick back sharply I might be able to get it to break, but the nose gets
uncomfortably high so I don't do that. And this is a coming from a guy
who likes aerobatics and doesn't mind pushing it. Power-on stalls
similarly get the nose very, very high, without breaking into a stall.
If it was an aerobatic plane and I had a parachute I'd get more
aggressive with it.
I've got around 400+hrs in it, so enough time to know it well.
Similarly, it handles very gusty conditions very well. I've been known
to be the only guy to show up in an airplane at fly-ins even when the
wind is 25G35kts or so. As long as it is down the runway it isn't bad,
and in some ways is easier because I can fly with airspeed of 50mph at
touchdown for extra control effectiveness, but only 15mph or so of
groundspeed. In those conditions it hardly has enough energy to ground
loop, particularly with the wind help keeping it straight once on the
ground. And with 15mph groundspeed, your runway can be about
anywhere...I can comfortably land it with a 300' "runway".
Taxiing can be the problem more than landing in those conditions. In
Oklahoma in the spring, if you don't fly in gusty conditions of 30kts or
so, odds are you just don't fly for a few months, which I find
unacceptable. :)
Engine is an A-75.
Steve Ruse
N6383J
Norman, OK
On 2013-08-29 09:50, TriScout wrote:
>
>
> Hi Folks..
>
> My GN-1 stalls around 43-45mph w/just me in it. 50mph at gross wt. I
> did the box pattern w/gps at stall and cruise, checking accuracy of
> my
> a/s indicator and I've determined that it is very accurate. GN-1
> spec's when googled, show a 35mph stall for a GN-1. The gps readings
> average 2-3 mph faster than indicated, but I figure the speeds will
> true out a few mph higher than the indicator at 2-3000'. Could this
> be
> a rigging issue? Perhaps the trailing edge of wings could be lowered
> slightly? What are you folks indicating at the stall break?
>
> In anycase, I'm ok w/it as is (accustomed to it). I've been flying it
> a couple of yrs now. I put a tape marker at 1.3x stall so as not to
> get below it while on approach. It handles gusty conditions very
> well...about like a Pitts.
>
> Other numbers (indicated) as follows:
> Full Throttle cruise 83-85mph
> Cruise 2100rpm 73-75mph
>
> A65-8/W72CK-42
>
> --------
> L.Metzel
> KLNC
> A65-8
> N2308C
> AN Hardware
> Airframe 712TT
> W72CK-42 Sensenich
> Standard Factory GN-1
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407702#407702
>
>
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Subject: Re: stall speed
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2013
Since my airplane is not a GN-1, I'll withhold comment. However, my friend Raymond
Hanover flies his Corvair GN-1 in windy and gusty conditions in the Texas
panhandle. Perhaps he'll weigh in (although he is currently out of town on travel
with family).
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Date: Aug 29, 2013
Subject: Re: stall speed
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
I have GN-1 with clipped Cub wings and C-85.
I need to get stall speed. Have been slacking. When I carry GPS along, it
seems to read lower than airspeed indicator (quite sure no wind). I find
that strange...kinks & other blockage would "slow" ram air, right? Have A/S
ind in front, too...differs, as well.
On Aug 29, 2013 1:37 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Since my airplane is not a GN-1, I'll withhold comment. However, my
> friend Raymond Hanover flies his Corvair GN-1 in windy and gusty conditions
> in the Texas panhandle. Perhaps he'll weigh in (although he is currently
> out of town on travel with family).
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407710#407710
>
>
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: just right--- 85 years running
Date: Aug 29, 2013
Oscar,
You're so right in all the positive things said about Pietenpols over the y
ears. Your post made me think of how enjoyable the Pietenol is to fly and
what an honest and good
flying airplane it is. Even when I take my flight review in a Cub or get
to fly another taildragger I think about how I like the Pietenpol better.
Those other airplanes are wonderful
too, no doubt but I am always impressed by how nicely this little thing fli
es, lands, stalls, turns, and handles. On a smooth evening before sunset
or at sunrise when the winds
are calm it just is like silky smooth and fingertip control. Bernard (or B
ernie for those of you who don't like people calling him Bernie:) knew what
he was doing!
Mike C.
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Date: Aug 29, 2013
Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Great pictures Mikey, I saved them into my desktop background folder. Will
help me get even more excited about my first flight test next month.
rick h
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
> Oscar,
>
> You're so right in all the positive things said about Pietenpols over the
> years. Your post made me think of how enjoyable the Pietenol is to fly
> and what an honest and good
> flying airplane it is. Even when I take my flight review in a Cub or get
> to fly another taildragger I think about how I like the Pietenpol better.
> Those other airplanes are wonderful
> too, no doubt but I am always impressed by how nicely this little thing
> flies, lands, stalls, turns, and handles. On a smooth evening before
> sunset or at sunrise when the winds
> are calm it just is like silky smooth and fingertip control. Bernard (or
> Bernie for those of you who don't like people calling him Bernie:) knew
> what he was doing!
>
> Mike C.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Date: Aug 29, 2013
Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
And especially amazing given that most all Pietenpols are built differently
from scratch and most still fly this well.
rick h
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 9:45 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Isn't it satisfying every time you hear another thing about the Piet that
> is "just right", or at least not nasty? It's no wonder it's been around
> for so long in almost exactly the same form as it was 85 years ago! There
> are only a few machines of equal complexity and duty that are still around
> in their same form after almost a century. The crowbar and ball-peen
> hammer come to mind ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407682#407682
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: just right--- 85 years running
Date: Aug 29, 2013
Awesome Rick! I'm so happy for you after these years of toiling and build
ing that you're getting THIS close to
flying!
What kind of field are you at, paved, turf, gravel? Long runway, good app
roaches? That Corvair should get you
out of just about anywhere.
Will you brush up in anything like a Cub or such? Looking forward to hea
ring updates and how you like flying her.
She'll be a fun, fun airplane!
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just right--- 85 years running
Great pictures Mikey, I saved them into my desktop background folder. Will
help me get even more excited about my first flight test next month.
rick h
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partne
rs, LLC] > wrote:
Oscar,
You're so right in all the positive things said about Pietenpols over the y
ears. Your post made me think of how enjoyable the Pietenol is to fly and
what an honest and good
flying airplane it is. Even when I take my flight review in a Cub or get
to fly another taildragger I think about how I like the Pietenpol better.
Those other airplanes are wonderful
too, no doubt but I am always impressed by how nicely this little thing fli
es, lands, stalls, turns, and handles. On a smooth evening before sunset
or at sunrise when the winds
are calm it just is like silky smooth and fingertip control. Bernard (or B
ernie for those of you who don't like people calling him Bernie:) knew what
he was doing!
Mike C.
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[cid:image003.jpg(at)01CEA4CF.5963EEB0]
[cid:image004.jpg(at)01CEA4CF.5963EEB0]
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2013
Great pictures, Mikee. There is an optical illusion in one of them (the 2nd one),
where it appears that your rudder horn is canted. There is a later picture
that shows the real geometry (perfectly square). I also note from one of your
pictures that you have grommets in the top cowling where the aileron control
cables and X-braces go through it. I guess I'll have to get some grommets for
my airplane. Dang "Lindy" trophy winners... always making the rest of us look
like chopped liver.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
Date: Aug 29, 2013
Ahaha.....Thanks Oscar. I overheard one of the judges saying "....those g
rommets sold me...." :) I think that distortion was probably from the el-
cheapo camera lens I have on my cell
phone. The other photos were taken with a decent camera.
As I looked thru a few of my other photos I was reminded of how beautiful t
he Lake Erie shoreline and islands can be.
Mike C.
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[cid:image007.jpg(at)01CEA4D6.9A1A1400]
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Date: Aug 29, 2013
Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Mike
Will be flying out of Meadow Lake airport East of Colorado Springs.
http://www.meadowlakeairport.com/
Has a 6000 x 60 ft. paved runway and a shorter dirt/grass runway. There is
an instructor here with a Cessna 140 that does instruction and another with
a Citabria. Both taildraggers, the Citabria has a stick and is tandem but
has 160 HP so may not be very Piet-like, the 140 has an 85 so may feel more
Piet-like power wise even though it is side by side.
Bought a small video camera (4"x2"x3") that I am thinking of putting on the
top of the tail to video the first flights.
Rick
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
> Awesome Rick! I=92m so happy for you after these years of toiling and
> building that you=92re getting THIS close to****
>
> flying! ****
>
> ** **
>
> What kind of field are you at, paved, turf, gravel? Long runway, good
> approaches? That Corvair should get you ****
>
> out of just about anywhere. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Will you brush up in anything like a Cub or such? Looking forward to
> hearing updates and how you like flying her. ****
>
> She=92ll be a fun, fun airplane!****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:22 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: just right--- 85 years running****
>
> ** **
>
> Great pictures Mikey, I saved them into my desktop background folder. Wil
l
> help me get even more excited about my first flight test next month.****
>
> ** **
>
> rick h****
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
> Partners, LLC] wrote:****
>
> Oscar, ****
>
> ****
>
> You're so right in all the positive things said about Pietenpols over the
> years. Your post made me think of how enjoyable the Pietenol is to fly
> and what an honest and good****
>
> flying airplane it is. Even when I take my flight review in a Cub or ge
t
> to fly another taildragger I think about how I like the Pietenpol better.
> Those other airplanes are wonderful****
>
> too, no doubt but I am always impressed by how nicely this little thing
> flies, lands, stalls, turns, and handles. On a smooth evening before
> sunset or at sunrise when the winds****
>
> are calm it just is like silky smooth and fingertip control. Bernard (or
> Bernie for those of you who don't like people calling him Bernie:) knew
> what he was doing!****
>
> ****
>
> Mike C.****
>
> ****
>
> ****
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>
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> ** **
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
> NX6819Z
>
> ****
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Date: Aug 29, 2013
Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
KFLY's 6000 foot runway sounds long. But for grins, I just called the ATIS
at Colorado Springs. At the moment, density altitude is 9000 feet. That
Corvair is going to be earning its keep.
Can't wait to see it fly.
Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
> Mike
>
> Will be flying out of Meadow Lake airport East of Colorado Springs.
>
> http://www.meadowlakeairport.com/
>
> Has a 6000 x 60 ft. paved runway and a shorter dirt/grass runway. There i
s
> an instructor here with a Cessna 140 that does instruction and another wi
th
> a Citabria. Both taildraggers, the Citabria has a stick and is tandem but
> has 160 HP so may not be very Piet-like, the 140 has an 85 so may feel mo
re
> Piet-like power wise even though it is side by side.
>
> Bought a small video camera (4"x2"x3") that I am thinking of putting on
> the top of the tail to video the first flights.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
> Partners, LLC] wrote:
>
>> Awesome Rick! I=92m so happy for you after these years of toiling and
>> building that you=92re getting THIS close to****
>>
>> flying! ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What kind of field are you at, paved, turf, gravel? Long runway, good
>> approaches? That Corvair should get you ****
>>
>> out of just about anywhere. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Will you brush up in anything like a Cub or such? Looking forward to
>> hearing updates and how you like flying her. ****
>>
>> She=92ll be a fun, fun airplane!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:22 PM
>> *To:* pietenpol-list
>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: just right--- 85 years running****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Great pictures Mikey, I saved them into my desktop background folder.
>> Will help me get even more excited about my first flight test next month
.
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> rick h****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
>> Partners, LLC] wrote:****
>>
>> Oscar, ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> You're so right in all the positive things said about Pietenpols over th
e
>> years. Your post made me think of how enjoyable the Pietenol is to fly
>> and what an honest and good****
>>
>> flying airplane it is. Even when I take my flight review in a Cub or
>> get to fly another taildragger I think about how I like the Pietenpol
>> better. Those other airplanes are wonderful****
>>
>> too, no doubt but I am always impressed by how nicely this little thing
>> flies, lands, stalls, turns, and handles. On a smooth evening before
>> sunset or at sunrise when the winds****
>>
>> are calm it just is like silky smooth and fingertip control. Bernard (o
r
>> Bernie for those of you who don't like people calling him Bernie:) knew
>> what he was doing!****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Mike C.****
>>
>> ****
>>
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>>
>> ** **
>>
>> --
>> Rick Holland
>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>> NX6819Z
>>
>> ****
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
> NX6819Z
>
>
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Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2013
With a few hours flying Pietenpols there comes a time in my life that the stick
and rudders was not responsive regardless where you put them to the max, 30 feet
forward and 100 feet sliding to the starboard while at taxi speed, is very
exciting, on hard surface. That is cross-wind.!
Pieti Lowell
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Subject: Re: excuse the intrusion...
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2013
With a few hours flying Pietenpols there comes a time in my life that the stick
and rudders was not responsive regardless where you put them to the max, 30 feet
forward and 100 feet sliding to the starboard while at taxi speed, is very
exciting, on hard surface. That is cross-wind.!
Pieti Lowell
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Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Aug 29, 2013
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 29, 2013, at 4:15 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Great pictures, Mikee. There is an optical illusion in one of them (the 2nd
one), where it appears that your rudder horn is canted. There is a later picture
that shows the real geometry (perfectly square). I also note from one of
your pictures that you have grommets in the top cowling where the aileron control
cables and X-braces go through it. I guess I'll have to get some grommets
for my airplane. Dang "Lindy" trophy winners... always making the rest of us
look like chopped liver.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407728#407728
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2013
Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
Uhauuu Mike, what pictures, and what an airplane!!!! it looks.. perfect.
Each time anyone of you post a photo of your Piets i said "uhauuu, what a
job you did". I usually saw the hart put in the .........labor?... (trabajo
en espa=F1ol). It's wonderfull, I.. envy.. not envy.. admire? .. admire too
.
This is why you are where you are, you push, and not only push, you enjoy
pushing, doing, teaking evrything a little bit forward.. 'que lo pario,
los admiro' (impossible to translate, do not try).
Taking the opportunity, Oscar, incredible this Mexican Piet, it's late, I
have to cook, work a little more; tomorrow talk to you.
Regards.
PD: Do you know something?.. I am not in the end of the job, but it looks
like, and now.. each day pass I am a little bit more afraid about what I
did.. It is normal? some one of you feel that?...
Mario Giacummo
2013/8/29 Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
> Oscar,
>
> You're so right in all the positive things said about Pietenpols over the
> years. Your post made me think of how enjoyable the Pietenol is to fly
> and what an honest and good
> flying airplane it is. Even when I take my flight review in a Cub or ge
t
> to fly another taildragger I think about how I like the Pietenpol better.
> Those other airplanes are wonderful
> too, no doubt but I am always impressed by how nicely this little thing
> flies, lands, stalls, turns, and handles. On a smooth evening before
> sunset or at sunrise when the winds
> are calm it just is like silky smooth and fingertip control. Bernard (or
> Bernie for those of you who don't like people calling him Bernie:) knew
> what he was doing!
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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Subject: Re: stall speed
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2013
Well so far I have been fortunate to have fairly light winds on my early flights
but I had my idle set up high -around 1000 RPM to be more sure it wouldn't quit
when the power was pulled and keep the temps more stable early on.. worked
Ok as long as I was taxi-ing n dirt but played heck rolling downwind on the paved
stuff! I played with power off stalls and it pretty much just mushes along
solo as long as you use your feet to keep the wing level, if you just use aileron
I expect you will eventually go on an interesting journey when one wing
does break away. I'm not ready for spin testing yet. I cannot comment on full
gross stalls since I'm still in phase and haven't got there yet.power on she
will hang there hard. just gotta keep those feet busy.your mileage will surely
vary. I have been early slip testing and it does fine but will enter a sink and
you better have altitude or power available soon.Raymond
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Subject: Ford motors in Australia?
From: "Minerjoe" <j-s-mine(at)bendigo.net.au>
Date: Aug 29, 2013
Has anyone got model A / B motors or bits that are willing to sell in Australia?/[Question]
Cheers
Joe :)
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Date: Aug 29, 2013
Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Yes Ken, one Piet spec you almost never hear people talk about is service
ceiling, what is the highest anyone with a Corvair Piet gone? Sure hope
mine will do better than 10,000 ft. else on a hot day I will never get out
of ground effect.
rick
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:
> KFLY's 6000 foot runway sounds long. But for grins, I just called the
> ATIS at Colorado Springs. At the moment, density altitude is 9000 feet.
> That Corvair is going to be earning its keep.
>
> Can't wait to see it fly.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
>
>> Mike
>>
>> Will be flying out of Meadow Lake airport East of Colorado Springs.
>>
>> http://www.meadowlakeairport.com/
>>
>> Has a 6000 x 60 ft. paved runway and a shorter dirt/grass runway. There
>> is an instructor here with a Cessna 140 that does instruction and anothe
r
>> with a Citabria. Both taildraggers, the Citabria has a stick and is tand
em
>> but has 160 HP so may not be very Piet-like, the 140 has an 85 so may fe
el
>> more Piet-like power wise even though it is side by side.
>>
>> Bought a small video camera (4"x2"x3") that I am thinking of putting on
>> the top of the tail to video the first flights.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
>> Partners, LLC] wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome Rick! I=92m so happy for you after these years of toiling an
d
>>> building that you=92re getting THIS close to****
>>>
>>> flying! ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> What kind of field are you at, paved, turf, gravel? Long runway, good
>>> approaches? That Corvair should get you ****
>>>
>>> out of just about anywhere. ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Will you brush up in anything like a Cub or such? Looking forward to
>>> hearing updates and how you like flying her. ****
>>>
>>> She=92ll be a fun, fun airplane!****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
>>> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:22 PM
>>> *To:* pietenpol-list
>>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: just right--- 85 years running****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Great pictures Mikey, I saved them into my desktop background folder.
>>> Will help me get even more excited about my first flight test next mont
h.
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> rick h****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
>>> Partners, LLC] wrote:****
>>>
>>> Oscar, ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> You're so right in all the positive things said about Pietenpols over
>>> the years. Your post made me think of how enjoyable the Pietenol is t
o
>>> fly and what an honest and good****
>>>
>>> flying airplane it is. Even when I take my flight review in a Cub or
>>> get to fly another taildragger I think about how I like the Pietenpol
>>> better. Those other airplanes are wonderful****
>>>
>>> too, no doubt but I am always impressed by how nicely this little thing
>>> flies, lands, stalls, turns, and handles. On a smooth evening before
>>> sunset or at sunrise when the winds****
>>>
>>> are calm it just is like silky smooth and fingertip control. Bernard
>>> (or Bernie for those of you who don't like people calling him Bernie:)
knew
>>> what he was doing!****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Mike C.****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick Holland
>>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>>> NX6819Z
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rick Holland
>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>> NX6819Z
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Subject: Re: Ford motors in Australia?
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Aug 30, 2013
Hi Joe....last year on my way to Natfly I broke down in Forbes and while my ute
was being repaired, I discovered an empty yard that had 2 Model T advertised.
They were basket cases in need of restoration but was told that the guy who owned
them had quite a collection of old Ford engines and parts. I got the phone
number in case I ever needed one but decided on a Corvair. Where are you? Do
you want the number?
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building fuselage & undercarriage...Corvair engine at
Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: just right--- 85 years running
Date: Aug 30, 2013
The FAA's definition of service ceiling is the altitude at which the climb
rate is reduced to 100 fpm. On a hot day with a heavy passenger and full
fuel, my Pietenpol's service ceiling (at that definition) is about 400 feet.
I remember taking a 205 lb passenger up on a 95 degree day at Sanford, NC
(KTTA) which has a 6,000' runway and a field elevation of 275' MSL. By the
time we got to the end of that runway we were only 100' off the ground.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just right--- 85 years running
Yes Ken, one Piet spec you almost never hear people talk about is service
ceiling, what is the highest anyone with a Corvair Piet gone? Sure hope mine
will do better than 10,000 ft. else on a hot day I will never get out of
ground effect.
rick
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:
KFLY's 6000 foot runway sounds long. But for grins, I just called the ATIS
at Colorado Springs. At the moment, density altitude is 9000 feet. That
Corvair is going to be earning its keep.
Can't wait to see it fly.
Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
Mike
Will be flying out of Meadow Lake airport East of Colorado Springs.
http://www.meadowlakeairport.com/
Has a 6000 x 60 ft. paved runway and a shorter dirt/grass runway. There is
an instructor here with a Cessna 140 that does instruction and another with
a Citabria. Both taildraggers, the Citabria has a stick and is tandem but
has 160 HP so may not be very Piet-like, the 140 has an 85 so may feel more
Piet-like power wise even though it is side by side.
Bought a small video camera (4"x2"x3") that I am thinking of putting on the
top of the tail to video the first flights.
Rick
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
Awesome Rick! I'm so happy for you after these years of toiling and
building that you're getting THIS close to
flying!
What kind of field are you at, paved, turf, gravel? Long runway, good
approaches? That Corvair should get you
out of just about anywhere.
Will you brush up in anything like a Cub or such? Looking forward to
hearing updates and how you like flying her.
She'll be a fun, fun airplane!
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: just right--- 85 years running
Great pictures Mikey, I saved them into my desktop background folder. Will
help me get even more excited about my first flight test next month.
rick h
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
Oscar,
You're so right in all the positive things said about Pietenpols over the
years. Your post made me think of how enjoyable the Pietenol is to fly and
what an honest and good
flying airplane it is. Even when I take my flight review in a Cub or get
to fly another taildragger I think about how I like the Pietenpol better.
Those other airplanes are wonderful
too, no doubt but I am always impressed by how nicely this little thing
flies, lands, stalls, turns, and handles. On a smooth evening before
sunset or at sunrise when the winds
are calm it just is like silky smooth and fingertip control. Bernard (or
Bernie for those of you who don't like people calling him Bernie:) knew what
he was doing!
Mike C.
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Subject: Re: coaming tips
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 30, 2013
Raymond,
The blokes at the UK Pietenpol site have archived this information nicely f
or us. Here it is:
http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/leather-coaming-padding/4541602921
And, as Douwe Blumberg would say, "Easy peezy, lemon squeezy", or "Bob's yo
ur uncle" (love that one) :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: GNflyer <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:11 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: coaming tips
Thanks to Oscar for letting me know about a tip on building cockpit coaming
I
call it. I believe Douwe put in the BPA which I have not been subscribed to
in a
long time and don't really know how to get back on now.I tried to reply to
you
Douwe and it would not let me. anyway just thought I'd try this approach an
d see
if somebody would point me in the right direction. I have an idea of how I
would go about I but for sure need to see how others have done it. I'm flyi
ng my
GN-1 bare bones plain but the curved front area on the rear pit would sure
look
nice. not sure how much of a hindrance it would be getting in and out with
my
long legs. I am planning on making some type of removable cover for the fro
nt.
was going to get a snap on vinyl one made but was told they tend to un snap
in
flight and I sure don't need that drape over my tail surfaces for sure! do
not
archive.Raymond
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Subject: Re: coaming tips
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 30, 2013
thank you sir! checked it out. looks like that fellow got good results rom his
method.you did good.Raymond
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Date: Aug 30, 2013
Subject: Re: coaming tips
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
I have canvas (actually not quite that heavy) covers for both 'pits. Was
flying with front one snapped on when I first started, as it was cold. The
flapping in the wind, which is inevitable, rips top snaps out of place.
This actually happened when I bought, removed wings & trailered home. Loose
snap scarred the backside of front 'pit. I want to make a metal cover for
front. I have seen some nice ones.
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:10 AM, GNflyer wrote:
>
> Thanks to Oscar for letting me know about a tip on building cockpit
> coaming I call it. I believe Douwe put in the BPA which I have not been
> subscribed to in a long time and don't really know how to get back on now.I
> tried to reply to you Douwe and it would not let me. anyway just thought
> I'd try this approach and see if somebody would point me in the right
> direction. I have an idea of how I would go about I but for sure need to
> see how others have done it. I'm flying my GN-1 bare bones plain but the
> curved front area on the rear pit would sure look nice. not sure how much
> of a hindrance it would be getting in and out with my long legs. I am
> planning on making some type of removable cover for the front. was going to
> get a snap on vinyl one made but was told they tend to un snap in flight
> and I sure don't need that drape over my tail surfaces for sure! do not
> archive.Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407760#407760
>
>
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Subject: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 30, 2013
nightmare wrote:
> EDITED: that's great Mike. those pics definitely helped. but still trying to
find a thickness of 4130 round tubing that would do the trick without being too
heavy. .
Streamline Tubing (http://secure.chassisshop.com/partlist/5411/)
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Subject: Re: coaming tips
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 30, 2013
Gary- now ya done it! got my interest up with that pic of the corvair. is there
a way you would correspond with me off-line about it and whether you have been
flying with the cover on the front much? I am interested in the routing and
rigging of the vent tubes from the rocker arm cover also. I have a vent in the
engine center cover butt have been told it would be better to go with one from
the rocker cover also. I'm thinking you likely have a top vent and an oil return
from a oil separator but anyway here I go bugging you again. Raymond
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: coaming tips
Date: Aug 30, 2013
Gboothe5(at)comcast.net. Contact me anytime.
I probably have about 20 hours on the plane with that front cover installed.
You are exactly right about the vent tubes.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GNflyer
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming tips
Gary- now ya done it! got my interest up with that pic of the corvair. is
there a way you would correspond with me off-line about it and whether you
have been flying with the cover on the front much? I am interested in the
routing and rigging of the vent tubes from the rocker arm cover also. I have
a vent in the engine center cover butt have been told it would be better to
go with one from the rocker cover also. I'm thinking you likely have a top
vent and an oil return from a oil separator but anyway here I go bugging you
again. Raymond
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Subject: Re: coaming tips
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 30, 2013
Gary,
Maybe if you remove the rear cover you'll get higher landing scores???? Just thinking
out loud.
Couldn't help it,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 30, 2013
The price on streamline is criminal.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Aug 30, 2013, at 10:28 AM, "womenfly2" wrote:
>
>
> nightmare wrote:
>> EDITED: that's great Mike. those pics definitely helped. but still trying to
find a thickness of 4130 round tubing that would do the trick without being too
heavy. .
>
>
> Streamline Tubing (http://secure.chassisshop.com/partlist/5411/)
>
> --------
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407767#407767
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: steel " jenny style" straight axle gear
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 30, 2013
Jack,
Wow, I think the scrap value of my plane just went up.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: Re: stall speed
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 30, 2013
I did a runup yesterday and had a 250 rpm drop on my left mag, so I brought her
back to the hangar. After some plug cleaning/re-arranging, it seems fine. I took
her up today and video (iphoned) some speed checks, power settings. and a
couple of power off stalls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-15caBJh6sU
--------
KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
AN Hardware
Airframe 724TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: coaming tips
Date: Aug 30, 2013
Too scary!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming tips
-->
Gary,
Maybe if you remove the rear cover you'll get higher landing scores????
Just thinking out loud.
Couldn't help it,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: Re: Ford motors in Australia?
From: "Minerjoe" <j-s-mine(at)bendigo.net.au>
Date: Aug 31, 2013
Hi Scotty, I'm in Bendigo Victoria, Forbs is a long way :( What I have in my
favour is that Bendigo has a huge swap meet every Sept, In the past few weeks
I have met several like minded persons and even one bloke who has nearly finished
a Piet refit and should have it in the air by Christmas!!! (Subaru powered
though), a Ford powered Piet crashed in Tassy around March (clipped an electric
fence on take off) but I don't know if the owners (???) are going to rebuild,,,(
can't find any email for them).
Joe
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Subject: Re: Ford motors in Australia?
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 01, 2013
Joe,
Are you talking about Simon McCormick? He was at Brodhead this year with hi
s wife and showed us photos of his wrecked Ford Piet. I don't have his emai
l, but Mike Cuy does I am sure.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Minerjoe <j-s-mine(at)bendigo.net.au>
Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2013 2:14 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ford motors in Australia?
Hi Scotty, I'm in Bendigo Victoria, Forbs is a long way :( What I have in
my
favour is that Bendigo has a huge swap meet every Sept, In the past few wee
ks I
have met several like minded persons and even one bloke who has nearly fini
shed
a Piet refit and should have it in the air by Christmas!!! (Subaru powered
though), a Ford powered Piet crashed in Tassy around March (clipped an elec
tric
fence on take off) but I don't know if the owners (???) are going to rebuil
d,,,(
can't find any email for them).
Joe
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Date: Sep 01, 2013
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Aussie crash
Does anyone know who was involved in this "incident" with their Ford Piet and an
electric fence down under? The only Ford I know of is Simon McCormick's gorgeous
plane.
Hope they are okay!
Douwe
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From: "Mark Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com>
Subject: Re: Aussie crash
Date: Sep 01, 2013
Hi Douwe,
I had not hear about the incident until tonight.
Did a quick check, unfortunatly yes it was Simon but luckily he and his
passenger were both OK.
It seems an unseen electric fence was the problem.
Following is the link to the official report:
www.atsb.gov.au/media/4176338/AO-2013-089%20Final.docx
Cheers
Mark S
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg
Does anyone know who was involved in this "incident" with their Ford Piet
and an electric fence down under? The only Ford I know of is Simon
McCormick's gorgeous plane.
Hope they are okay!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Aussie crash
Date: Sep 01, 2013
That was Simon, Douwe. He's fine and the plane is repairable. It happened
before Brodhead, so you've seen Simon since the crash.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 7:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aussie crash
Does anyone know who was involved in this "incident" with their Ford Piet
and an electric fence down under? The only Ford I know of is Simon
McCormick's gorgeous plane.
Hope they are okay!
Douwe
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Subject: Re: front seat height
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2013
I know on my GN-1 I actually had to raise the front seat due o the fact that if
I had a passenger wider than the seat which isn't very wide. my toes were hitting
their backside which makes it very difficult to taxi or maneuver the pedals
well.I suppose leg length, rudder pedal angle and other factors will determine
if you have that problem. Oscar tells me his rudder bar works great.but you
might want to experiment with somebody itting up front before you lower.Raymond
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From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: front seat height
Date: Sep 02, 2013
You've just reduced the strength significantly.
Maybe you might getting away with this by
increasing the wall thickness a lot. But.........
You might as well just not have a front stick.
Do you think you're going to carry folks that
will be controlling the plane or not?
Clif
"Happiness is a DRY fart and a WET dream." Someone
> Was hoping to lower the front seat a little, or at least angle the seat
> bottom a bit. Has anyone made a bend in that tubing under the seat that
> connects the forward and aft stick to each other? I believe the control
> pressures would be the same. Any advise on this possible tweak?
> Paul Donahue
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Subject: Lower cabane fittings
From: John Greenlee <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sep 02, 2013
Hello good people,
I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt
too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back
3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply house
only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1" strap
and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them 1"
wide? Thoughts?
Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
Sent from my iPhone
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Lower cabane fittings
Date: Sep 02, 2013
John,
My struts are wood, but you can see that they are beveled...also tilted back
4". If you are using streamlined tubing can you also bevel the tubing? Or
maybe you don't want to remove the cabanes. Either way, I can't see how 1"
wide would hurt.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Greenlee
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings
-->
Hello good people,
I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4
bolt too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the
wing back 3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite
supply house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them
1" wide? Thoughts?
Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
Sent from my iPhone
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: front seat height
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2013
I have flown as pax/navigator in Scout for a good few hours and must say that I
like the seat height up there "as is". I have drawn up a booster extension that
sits on top of the standard seat, for when I was going to fly my grandkids
(and other youngsters), but that's not the problem we're discussing here.
I have flown a significant-sized pax in cooler weather. We were both wearing jackets,
gloves, and medium-weight footwear. It took a while to get the front
seatbelts, headset wiring, and other "stuff" clear of my feet and the controls,
but once we got everything set, there was not a problem with interference.
I must say that I did feel the front stick contact the pax's thighs when I needed
hard aileron with stick back, but he made room as soon as he felt the stick.
Your mileage may vary, but this is not like being in a Chevy Suburban where
you can wear all your Realtree Camo double-insulated gear along with Vibram-soled
woods boots. Try that in the Piet and when you get to the runup area to
do your CIGARS check, you'll find that you won't even get past the "C"... you
will have essentially NO control travel in all three axes, if you even manage
to get you and your pax into the cockpits.
I wear the slimmest, smoothest leather footwear that I have (Justin Ropers), along
with comfortable and non-bulky layered clothing. Summertime is the best...
shorts and tees!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Lower cabane fittings
Date: Sep 02, 2013
John, err I mean Ezra
I don't see how 1" wide fitting would hurt but last I heard Aircraft Spruce
will shear the strips to whatever size you want.
Seems to me to be less work and lower cost to bevel the bottom of the cabane
so it could tilt back. Looking at pictures of the Last Original it looks
like the bolt is in the plans location so BHP must have beveled the bottom
of his cabane strut.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/BHP%20Built/images/P1010020.JPG
Mike Cuy has a beveled bottom cabane strut too..
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/images/airspeed_tub
ing_coming_out_of_bottom_of_RR_cabane_to_ASI.jpg
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Greenlee
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings
-->
Hello good people,
I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4
bolt too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the
wing back 3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite
supply house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them
1" wide? Thoughts?
Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
Sent from my iPhone
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: service ceiling
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2013
Jack;
You nailed it when you described your airplane's climb performance on a warm day
with a load. Most will be similar, but not all. John Dilatush's (now Greg
Bacon's) turbo Subaru-powered Piet was intentionally powered for John's high/hot
location in Salida, Colorado and could probably maintain a spritely climb rate
up to where oxygen would be required (12,500')- which might be pattern altitude
in Salida in the middle of a hot summer afternoon ;o)
I have never had Scout above 4500' on the altimeter. It took me a while to get
up there (over half an hour), and frankly, it was quite chilly up there with
just shorts and a tee shirt on for half an hour. Not only that, I got the feeling
that I was too high up and it was an anxious and worried feeling.
I have thought about just how high my airplane could climb, given time and a mixture
control, because any sort of flight across the Continental Divide would
require that I traverse some mountain passes or at least cross some fairly high
terrain. While I am sure the airplane could do it, I'm also sure that it would
require some fuel, planning, and time. As others have stated about these
airplanes, "Piets are slow, but the sky is patient".
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: Bob's Progress Report
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 03, 2013
Another of what i consider to be milestones was getting my LG wheels onto the axle.
My friend Don Harper machined the 'cycle wheels for me and installed the
bronze bushings. The bushings went out-of-round when they were pressed so they
needed to be cleaned up with a brake cylinder hone. The axle is also not perfectly
round so it needed some polishing with some 400 grit paper. Now I can
have a shop cut the threads for the bolts, and the inner wheel retainers can
be welded in place. Also at long last the hubs and rims can take a trip to Buchanans
in California to get new spokes! I installed a tail wheel a couple of
weeks ago using Mike Cuy's drawings and Uncle Tony's book to install the leaf
spring style tail wheel from Matco. This girl will be on her own three feet
in a few more weeks!
--------
Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Bob's Progress Report
Date: Sep 03, 2013
Looks really clean Bob---nice going! That tail leaf spring setup worked
well for me in that you never have to get your hands into the fuselage to
put a socket
or wrench on the plate that sandwiches the Poplar triangle wedge because th
e bolts are welded to the 4130 plate.
Mike C.
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bob's Progress Report
--> >
Another of what i consider to be milestones was getting my LG wheels onto t
he axle. My friend Don Harper machined the 'cycle wheels for me and instal
led the bronze bushings. The bushings went out-of-round when they were pre
ssed so they needed to be cleaned up with a brake cylinder hone. The axle i
s also not perfectly round so it needed some polishing with some 400 grit p
aper. Now I can have a shop cut the threads for the bolts, and the inner w
heel retainers can be welded in place. Also at long last the hubs and rims
can take a trip to Buchanans in California to get new spokes! I installed
a tail wheel a couple of weeks ago using Mike Cuy's drawings and Uncle Ton
y's book to install the leaf spring style tail wheel from Matco. This girl
will be on her own three feet in a few more weeks!
--------
Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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Date: Sep 03, 2013
Subject: Re: front seat height
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
I widened my fuselage 2" just to improve rear seat shoulder room but I
guess it will help with this particular front seat problem too.
rick h
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 5:48 PM, GNflyer wrote:
>
> I know on my GN-1 I actually had to raise the front seat due o the fact
> that if I had a passenger wider than the seat which isn't very wide. my
> toes were hitting their backside which makes it very difficult to taxi or
> maneuver the pedals well.I suppose leg length, rudder pedal angle and other
> factors will determine if you have that problem. Oscar tells me his rudder
> bar works great.but you might want to experiment with somebody itting up
> front before you lower.Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407945#407945
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Date: Sep 03, 2013
From: <dknoll(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Lower cabane fittings
Take .090 sheet to a machine shop and have it sheared to 3/4.
---- John Greenlee wrote:
>
> Hello good people,
>
> I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt
too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back
3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
>
> So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply
house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
>
> So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them 1"
wide? Thoughts?
>
> Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
--
Lynn
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2013
From: <dknoll(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Lower cabane fittings
Take .090 sheet to a machine shop and have it sheared to 3/4.
---- John Greenlee wrote:
>
> Hello good people,
>
> I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt
too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back
3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
>
> So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply
house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
>
> So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them 1"
wide? Thoughts?
>
> Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
--
Lynn
________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Greenlee <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Lower cabane fittings
Date: Sep 03, 2013
I don't know if I am handling the reply correctly.
However, I figured there was some reason ACSS only offered the .090 sheared to
1". Limitations of the shear? I ordered what they had -- 1" strap.
So, is it possible to have it sheared again? Or is a larger sheet required so
to shear off the edge? Or is there another way to cut down what I have other
than on the bandsaw?
Ezra Stiles
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:15 PM, wrote:
> Take .090 sheet to a machine shop and have it sheared to 3/4.
>
> ---- John Greenlee wrote:
>>
>> Hello good people,
>>
>> I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt
too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back
3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
>>
>> So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply
house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
>>
>> So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them
1" wide? Thoughts?
>>
>> Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
> --
> Lynn
________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Greenlee <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Lower cabane fittings
Date: Sep 03, 2013
I don't know if I am handling the reply correctly.
However, I figured there was some reason ACSS only offered the .090 sheared to
1". Limitations of the shear? I ordered what they had -- 1" strap.
So, is it possible to have it sheared again? Or is a larger sheet required so
to shear off the edge? Or is there another way to cut down what I have other
than on the bandsaw?
Ezra Stiles
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:15 PM, wrote:
> Take .090 sheet to a machine shop and have it sheared to 3/4.
>
> ---- John Greenlee wrote:
>>
>> Hello good people,
>>
>> I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 bolt
too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing back
3 or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
>>
>> So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supply
house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
>>
>> So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make them
1" wide? Thoughts?
>>
>> Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
> --
> Lynn
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lower cabane fittings
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 03, 2013
Dear Ezra,
Your question/ proposed alteration and deviation from the approved Orrin Ho
opman/Bernard Pietenpol plans, really got me to thinking. After performing
a complete and exhaustive (and time-consuming) search of the "lost papers"
of the esteemed Bernard Pietenpol, I have unearthed, condensed, and summar
ized this advise, that was given to some past unsound and foolhardy proposa
ls/deviations:... "lose weight,... build to plans".
There you have it., on good authority.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: John Greenlee <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 9:57 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lower cabane fittings
et>
Hello good people,
I am wanting to remake the lower cabane fittings. The plans have the an4 b
olt
too close to the longerons. When a fat boy like me has to shift the wing b
ack 3
or 4 inches the cabane strut interferes with the longeron.
So, the plans show .090 3/4" strap for the fittings. Now our favorite supp
ly
house only offers .090 strap in 1" widths.
So, what to do? I wonder what I did originally. I might have bought the 1
"
strap and cut it down. Do I tediously cut down the straps or just make the
m 1"
wide? Thoughts?
Ezra Stiles (John Greenlee)
Sent from my iPhone
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Step
From: John Greenlee <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sep 03, 2013
Anybody that has incorporated a step...
I have found that my Piet has grown a larger tail wheel with each new iteration.
And I started this airplane originally when I was about 30. Being 50 now has
shown I am less flexible than before.
SO...to put a step under the back seat...I can see it would mostly be a semicircular
cut out in the ply for a foot. Did you use any provision such as a tapered
doubler so the fabric is shaped much as the surrounding area. In other words
just attaching the fabric to the cutout would make a valley in the side of
the plane. Thoughts? Solutions? What did you do?
Ezra Stiles
Sent from my iPhone
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Step
Date: Sep 03, 2013
John
Dan Helsper has a step. Looks like he added a chunk of wood for the fabric
to glue onto. I bet it is designed to be just behind the fabric. Can't be
that hard to figure out how the fabric will lay along the side by using a
long stick.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Dan%20Helsper/images/Piet%20Step.JPG
Paul Poulin has a step too. It also appears to have a wood frame.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Paul%20Poulin/images/Brodhead__20070720_051.
JPG
If your looking for something different.
Mike Groah has a step but it is a blade sticking out the side.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Michael%20Groah/images/IMG_1240.JPG
Gary Boothe has a loop type of step
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/Step_-_1.jpg
At the lower left edge of the picture you can see the step bolted on
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/IMG_0071.JPG
This is the other side.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/P1040800.JPG
Chris
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Greenlee
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step
-->
Anybody that has incorporated a step...
I have found that my Piet has grown a larger tail wheel with each new
iteration. And I started this airplane originally when I was about 30.
Being 50 now has shown I am less flexible than before.
SO...to put a step under the back seat...I can see it would mostly be a
semicircular cut out in the ply for a foot. Did you use any provision such
as a tapered doubler so the fabric is shaped much as the surrounding area.
In other words just attaching the fabric to the cutout would make a valley
in the side of the plane. Thoughts? Solutions? What did you do?
Ezra Stiles
Sent from my iPhone
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Step
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 04, 2013
Ezra,
As you can see.....tapered doubler. You mentioned that your tail wheel has
grown larger with age, but no mention of your waistline. You might conside
r beefing-up the longeron to hold the extra weight :O)
-----Original Message-----
From: John Greenlee <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 3, 2013 9:53 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step
et>
Anybody that has incorporated a step...
I have found that my Piet has grown a larger tail wheel with each new itera
tion.
And I started this airplane originally when I was about 30. Being 50 now h
as
shown I am less flexible than before.
SO...to put a step under the back seat...I can see it would mostly be a
semicircular cut out in the ply for a foot. Did you use any provision such
as a
tapered doubler so the fabric is shaped much as the surrounding area. In o
ther
words just attaching the fabric to the cutout would make a valley in the si
de of
the plane. Thoughts? Solutions? What did you do?
Ezra Stiles
Sent from my iPhone
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sep 04, 2013
Subject: Re: Step
UNCLASSIFIED
MAN this list is a blessing. I was scratching my head about coaming, and lo and
behold there is a link. I was thinking "Oscars had a step that sure made it easier
for him to get in and out." and here is discussion about both subjects.
What are the pros/cons of each type?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 09/04/13, danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote:
> Ezra,
>
> As you can see.....tapered doubler. You mentioned that your tail wheel has grown
larger with age, but no mention of your waistline. You might consider beefing-up
the longeron to hold the extra weight :O)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Greenlee <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net>
> To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server
> Sent: Tue, Sep 3, 2013 9:53 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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Date: Sep 04, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Step
Ezra, my setup won't really help you or others that already have fabric in
place, but it may be of use for those to come later that do an archive sear
ch.=0A=0AMy step is a simple tube in tube deal with a slot milled in the sm
aller "slide" tube. The length of the slot and it's position on the tube di
ctate how far the step slides out and where it stops both full out and full
y retracted. The screw in the larger tube is the stop for the slide.- The
wood blocks are used for holding the assembly on the fuselage. The assembl
y was positioned using existing seat supports and longeron to carry the loa
ds applied to it. Fully extended, it reaches about 4-5" past the fuselage s
ide.=0A=0AIt works really well, all I need to do now is fabricate a small c
over.=0A=0A=0A-=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: Re: Step
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 04, 2013
Holy smokes-! That step on Helsper's airplane looks like it could be a grotto
for a figurine of a revered saint! That is pretty fancy. (Hey... maybe someone
can Photoshop a 3-D image of Mr. Pietenpol into that little grotto!)
As [UNCLASSIFIED] Steve mentioned, Scout does have a simple step for the rear cockpit...
a washer welded to the end of a piece of tube (so your shoe won't slip
off the step). The tube is bolted to a crossmember in the floor of the fuselage.
I can take a picture next time I'm out at the hangar if anyone is interested.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Date: Sep 04, 2013
Subject: Re: Step
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
My step which helps a lot but what helps me getting in and out of the
cockpit the most is a grab handle at the back of the center section.
rh
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:25 AM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Holy smokes-! That step on Helsper's airplane looks like it could be a
> grotto for a figurine of a revered saint! That is pretty fancy. (Hey...
> maybe someone can Photoshop a 3-D image of Mr. Pietenpol into that little
> grotto!)
>
> As [UNCLASSIFIED] Steve mentioned, Scout does have a simple step for the
> rear cockpit... a washer welded to the end of a piece of tube (so your shoe
> won't slip off the step). The tube is bolted to a crossmember in the floor
> of the fuselage. I can take a picture next time I'm out at the hangar if
> anyone is interested.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408007#408007
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Subject: Re: Step
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 04, 2013
Rick; your step is almost exactly like mine, except fancier. The part outside
the airplane looks identical.
By the way, I notice your brake line tubing in the photo, and will mention what
I did with mine. I was concerned about something snagging the tubing since I
fly off of grass strips and sometimes there are weeds sticking up trying to snag
things. I tried to route the brake lines on the aft side of the gear leg
tubing so they were a bit more protected, then secured them to the tubing with
some clips that I got from Aircraft Spruce (picture attached). Spruce part no.
05-00004 and I think they call them tubing clamps. You can bend them to fit
the size of your gear leg tubing and secure them with zip-ties through the square
holes. I think I only needed two or three on each gear leg to secure the
tubing up the leg.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Date: Sep 04, 2013
Subject: Re: Step
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Thanks Oscar, I welded a single short 3/8" piece of tubing to the center of
each gear leg that the tubes go through but have thought about securing
them a little tighter, will check out the part.
rick h
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 11:16 AM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Rick; your step is almost exactly like mine, except fancier. The part
> outside the airplane looks identical.
>
> By the way, I notice your brake line tubing in the photo, and will mention
> what I did with mine. I was concerned about something snagging the tubing
> since I fly off of grass strips and sometimes there are weeds sticking up
> trying to snag things. I tried to route the brake lines on the aft side of
> the gear leg tubing so they were a bit more protected, then secured them to
> the tubing with some clips that I got from Aircraft Spruce (picture
> attached). Spruce part no. 05-00004 and I think they call them tubing
> clamps. You can bend them to fit the size of your gear leg tubing and
> secure them with zip-ties through the square holes. I think I only needed
> two or three on each gear leg to secure the tubing up the leg.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Date: Sep 05, 2013
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Welding AN bolts
Pietsters,
I may need to weld some AN bolts to 4130 tubing. What is the plating material
on the AN bolts, is it zinc chromate or cadmium? Is it hazardous to weld this
stuff, and if so, how can I remove it before welding?
Thanks,
John Franklin
Prairie Aire 4TA0
Needville, TX
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Date: Sep 05, 2013
From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Welding AN bolts
John,=0A-=0AStandard AN bolts are Cadmium plated.=0A-=0ACadmium is toxi
c, remove it by sanding, grinding or burning it of, just do not breath the
fumes or dust.=0AZinc is also toxic.=0A-=0AOr you can buy some un-coated
or black oxide bolts from McMaster.=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX15KV=0A =0A=0A__
______________________________=0A From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
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Pietsters,=0A=0AI may need to weld some AN bolts to 4130 tubing.- What is
the plating material on the AN bolts, is it zinc chromate or cadmium?- I
s it hazardous to weld this stuff, and if so, how can I remove it before we
lding?=0A=0AThanks,=0AJohn Franklin=0APrairie Aire 4TA0=0ANeedville, TX=0A
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: step
Date: Sep 05, 2013
First off, congrats Bob on your progress, she's looking more and more like
an airplane. I gotta get up and visit.
Secondly, re cockpit steps. I had never thought I'd put one on, and my
plane's first version didn't have any. I'm pretty flexible and getting in
wasn't a big deal. However, when I had to rebuild the plane, I did add a
step for the rear cockpit, mainly thinking of resale or getting older and
find that I'm really glad I did. It just makes it easier. Now I wish I had
installed one for the front pit too.
I'm sure any design will work, though the recessed ones certainly are
cleaner.
D
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Subject: FAA Inspection....
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2013
I am patiently waiting for the FAA to come and do my airworthiness inspection......i
called over a month and a half ago. I called to see whats up and all i get
is that im on the list. Any tips on how to light a fire under these guys? The
nice weather is going to be gone and ill have to wait another 6 months. Maybe
me whining about it will trigger some psychic vibe and they will call today!
--------
NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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Date: Sep 05, 2013
From: <r.r.hall(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: FAA Inspection....
I would suggest finding a DAR, if you can, in your area. There is one in our area
that pretty much everyone in our EAA chapter uses but just like FAA inspectors
they can sometimes be "not so nice". You will have to pay them but they can
set a specific time and place for the inspection so you will KNOW when it is
instead of the FAA calling saying "Ve Vill be there at 1pm." and you having to
drop everything to meet them. I don't think there are very many FAA inspectors
out there anymore so they probably get very backlogged.
Rodney
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Subject: Re: Welding AN bolts
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2013
You really don't want to grind or sand on bolts. Only creates a stress riser where
you don't want it. Dunk the bolts in some lye or even just drain opener
then rinse them in some water. The cadmium plating comes right off.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: FAA Inspection....
Date: Sep 05, 2013
That's the Down Side, Chris. The Up Side being that the inspection is free.
My experience with my local FAA guy was just the opposite, so I guess it's a
regional thing, possibly depending on how close or far you are from the
nearest office. Still, I gotta think your time is getting close...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 9:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FAA Inspection....
-->
I am patiently waiting for the FAA to come and do my airworthiness
inspection......i called over a month and a half ago. I called to see whats
up and all i get is that im on the list. Any tips on how to light a fire
under these guys? The nice weather is going to be gone and ill have to wait
another 6 months. Maybe me whining about it will trigger some psychic vibe
and they will call today!
--------
NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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Date: Sep 05, 2013
From: Walter Allen <overalles45(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Motor Mount
I am looking for a motor mount for a Ford Model A, I have the white ash woo
d pieces, but I need the metal tube mount, if any one has one they want to
sell, let me know.=0A-=0AThanks=0AWalter
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sep 05, 2013
Subject: Re: step
UNCLASSIFIED
With my Pietenkit there is a small step that attaches to the Piper Cub landing
gear and is for the front cockpit. Does anyone else have one of these?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 09/05/13, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
>
>
>
> First off, congrats Bob on your progress, she’s looking more and more like
an airplane. I gotta get up and visit.
>
>
>
> Secondly, re cockpit steps. I had never thought I’d put one on, and my
plane’s first version didn’t have any. I’m pretty flexible and
getting in wasn’t a big deal. However, when I had to rebuild the plane,
I did add a step for the rear cockpit, mainly thinking of resale or getting
older and find that I’m really glad I did. It just makes it easier. Now
I wish I had installed one for the front pit too.
>
>
>
> I’m sure any design will work, though the recessed ones certainly are cleaner.
>
>
>
> D
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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Date: Sep 05, 2013
Subject: Re: step
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
Can I see a picture? I hhave Cub gear, currently not covered. Also have
step for front ( a peg fastened to underside of fuse), but would like to
see... maybe Univair, one of those places has a pic of ones for sale?
On Sep 5, 2013 3:51 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:
> steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> With my Pietenkit there is a small step that attaches to the Piper Cub
> landing gear and is for the front cockpit. Does anyone else have one of
> these?
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On 09/05/13, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > First off, congrats Bob on your progress, she’s looking more and
> more like an airplane. I gotta get up and visit.
> >
> >
> >
> > Secondly, re cockpit steps. I had never thought I’d put one on,
> and my plane’s first version didn’t have any. I’m pretty
> flexible and getting in wasn’t a big deal. However, when I had to
> rebuild the plane, I did add a step for the rear cockpit, mainly thinking
> of resale or getting older and find that I’m really glad I did. It
> just makes it easier. Now I wish I had installed one for the front pit too.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m sure any design will work, though the recessed ones certainly
> are cleaner.
> >
> >
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
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Date: Sep 05, 2013
Subject: Re: step
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
If you have metal gear you can weld on a step, plus a front step for Piets
with a center section tank.
rh
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB <
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:
> steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
>
> UNCLASSIFIED
> With my Pietenkit there is a small step that attaches to the Piper Cub
> landing gear and is for the front cockpit. Does anyone else have one of
> these?
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On 09/05/13, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > First off, congrats Bob on your progress, she’s looking more and
> more like an airplane. I gotta get up and visit.
> >
> >
> >
> > Secondly, re cockpit steps. I had never thought I’d put one on,
> and my plane’s first version didn’t have any. I’m pretty
> flexible and getting in wasn’t a big deal. However, when I had to
> rebuild the plane, I did add a step for the rear cockpit, mainly thinking
> of resale or getting older and find that I’m really glad I did. It
> just makes it easier. Now I wish I had installed one for the front pit too.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m sure any design will work, though the recessed ones certainly
> are cleaner.
> >
> >
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Subject: Re: Step
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2013
Rick,
I am certainly no expert, but I had always been told to avoid using the gear for
a step or welding a step onto a gear leg. Stress on the gear leg.
Maybe someone with a lot more knowledge can chime in. Or you may be the one with
more experience, Rick, and I am just wrong.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: About wing tank
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2013
Hello,
I try a search, but I do not find anything about what I want to know; so, my doubt.
I am going to put a wing tank, and I want at least 12 gl of fuel (for 3 hours of
flight +-). In the plans, the tank have it bottom in V, for obvious causes,
But I am thinking in a flat bottom inclined to the rear of the wing with a slug
at the very bottom. I don't remember/find the wing "normal" angle of flight,
to see how much angle give to the bottom of the tank relative to the wing angle;
do you understand what I want to do/know?.. may be you have something to tell
me about this.
Thank you.
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Subject: Re: Welding AN bolts
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2013
Don Emch wrote:
> You really don't want to grind or sand on bolts. Only creates a stress riser
where you don't want it. Dunk the bolts in some lye or even just drain opener
then rinse them in some water. The cadmium plating comes right off.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
What a GREAT tip Don, Thanks! Is this in Uncle Tony's book somewhere?
--------
Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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Subject: Re: About wing tank
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2013
Mario,
I think I understand what you are asking.
Something to really consider is "normal". First, there's just a lot of factors
on a plane this individualized to really know what "normal" is.
Also, feeding from the rear... I think it's best to consider "worst case scenario".
I really don't know of any situations where someone runs out of gas when
they're taking off. It's usually when they've been flying too long, and are
in the landing mode. At that point, you are rather nose down, slow and close
to the ground. If you're feeding from the rear, all the gas is AWAY from the
pickup point, unless you have so much slope that would negate the advantages
of not making the low point in the middle (as in your case of going for maximum
volume).
Without trim or flaps, a Piet flys a different angle of attack (and it's quite
a bit of pitch change) for EVERY different speed.
Something worth considering is keeping the standard shape wing tank and adding
a header tank (which is what 2RN has). A header tank eliminates A LOT of the
danger of a large flatish bottom wing tank, which can easily slosh away a significant
amount of fuel. It would even make a front or rear pickup point a lot
safer.
2RN has a 4 gallon header tank, which is an hour of fuel nearly. It's nice to
know that if I plan on landing with an hour of fuel, there's no chance of a flame
out because of an airplane attitude which causes a momentary loss of fuel
from the wing tank.
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Subject: Re: About wing tank
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2013
I've got two shutoff valves, one coming from the wing tank (which drains directly
to the header tank), the other after the header tank before the engine.
There's also valved port coming from the top of the header tank, which allows me
to vent the headspace from it (which is necessary when filling the tank initially,
and anytime afterwards when some air from the wing tank might have gotten
into the header tank as when it's nearly empty, which I've never done yet).
I do double check for air space in the header tank every few flights, and haven't
found any, which is a nice feel good sort of thing that there's no leaks or
plumbing problems.
I can drain the header tank by closing off the wing tank, opening the header tank
vent valve, then opening the drain on the gascolator.
So, yes and yes, but it's not quite just that simple. I didn't know anything about
the value of a header tank until Dick N explained it all to me. I wouldn't
be without one now. Even the Glastars I fly owned by the EAA have had a sort
of header tank retrofitted to them. Without one, I'd be hesitant taking a
wing tank alone below about a third or a quarter.
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Subject: Horiz stab mounting.
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2013
Curious how most folks have mounted their horiz stab?
While rebuilding the last foot of my fuse, I'm redoing that mounting. As it turns
out, the upper longerons broke right at where I have through bolts mounting
the stab, which go through the main (or center) spar of the stab.
There are mounting bolt holes in the leading edge, but not used. My stab is uncovered
and while mocking everything together, I noticed them and the whole arrangement
got me to researching...
First, where the longerons broke, where the through holes are located, there isn't
a gusset plate which I found odd. I checked the plans, and the gusset plates
are located right where depicted. However, I noticed that the plans call
for mounting the stab with screws, not through bolts, in four locations, the leading
edge and the center spar. The trailing edge is mounted with bolts through
the stab, but into brackets that also hold the rudder and has a through bolt
mounted horizontally through the tailpost, no problem there.
I decided that there's no problem with no mounting hardware on the leading edge
of the stab (it's how the stab is mounted on the J1 - and probably lots more
stabs out there), especially with a much stronger through bolt. However, I did
go ahead and replace the exterior gusset plate (which I glued on only yesterday,
only to remove it today!) with one that's extended aft about two inches to
reinforce where the longeron has a hole through it. It's a small change, but
I think necessary because of the through hole "modification".
Not a huge deal, probably never would have manifested itself but not for a ground
loop where some soft dirt caught the tail wheel and ripped off the tail post.
Just curious if most folks are though bolting the stab, or using wood screws?
If you're building and haven't covered your fuse yet, it's pretty easy to look
it all over and decide for yourself if it's a deal or not. If your fuse is covered,
and through bolted, and the gusset plate isn't a bit longer, it wouldn't
be hard to put a couple scarf plates on the longeron where the through bolt
is (one one the inside, the other on the bottom) without dismantling any more
than an inspection plate (or whatever access you have that allowed you to get
the nut on the back of that bolt).
It is a good example of how the smallest change seems to have cascading effects.
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Date: Sep 06, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Horiz stab mounting.
Tools, attached are a couple pictures showing how I did mine. The first pic
ture shows the overall attachment of the horizontal stabilizer to the plane
. You will note that it is attached to the longerons up front, with the rud
der brackets at the main spar and with the as drawn brackets at the tail po
st.- The second picture shows the added support for the main spar attachm
ent to rudder brackets and the added plywood for where the nut plates go. (
I always add plywood to the bolt holes in the soft spruce.)- All bolts ar
e through...no wood screws. I am not a big fan of having any bolts through
the longerons, so I tried to keep that to a minimum throughout the entire b
uild. I am also not a big fan of wood screws going into soft spruce.- The
plywood "shelf" that the- horizontal stabilizer sits on helps tie it all
together.=0A=0A=0A-=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker
Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Date: Sep 06, 2013
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: FAA Inspection....
In my region the FAA told me that they no longer do homebuilt inspections and I
would HAVE TO use a DAR. Our DAR is a retired FAA guy that lives 2 hours away
and charges around $1500 by the time you figure in his hotel, transportation,
food, and his fee. This seems like an FAA retirement fund! Anyway, I kept bugging
the MIDO and finally they agreed to inspect my airplane, but only because
they were training someone new to the process. It took about 2 hours for the
actual inspection. DAR would be a good paying job if you could get it.
Malcolm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 12:44:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FAA Inspection....
I am patiently waiting for the FAA to come and do my airworthiness inspection......i
called over a month and a half ago. I called to see whats up and all i get
is that im on the list. Any tips on how to light a fire under these guys? The
nice weather is going to be gone and ill have to wait another 6 months. Maybe
me whining about it will trigger some psychic vibe and they will call today!
--------
NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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Subject: Re: Horiz stab mounting.
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Thanks Mike! Man, wish I'd have seen those pics BEFORE I started that repair,
would have saved A LOT of headscratching and digging through a bunch of piles
of rubble trying to piece together exactly how everything was before. And I only
took it apart last week (well, took the stab off months ago when I retrieved
the plane, dismantled the damaged area just last week)...
Quick question, since you don't have lock nuts, what are you doing to prevent those
bolts from backing out? Of course, may not be a big deal since it's so easy
to preflight.
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Subject: Re: About wing tank
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
I thought about a little one in the nose, and how to use it.
One is fill the nose tank with the wing one, and connect the nose one to the gascolator;
this option need a vent from the nose tank to the wing one, isn't it?
the other option is a 3 way valve that connect the wing, nose and gas colator,
one position, wing gascolator, second position, nose gascolator. this one is simpler
because I avoid the vent from nose to wing. I think there is no trouble
with the second one if avoid conect nose with wing
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Mario Giacummo
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Subject: Re: FAA Inspection....
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Really? Fifteen hundred bucks?!! Have you considered flying the plane TO HIM
to save on the auxillary fees? Just sayin'.
When my dad got his Hatz inspected (by the FAA), the guy asked him what all the
rubber bands were in the wings, "uh, do you mean the rib stitching?" says dad.
Wow...
When I got my CFI (via the military competency test, which is nothing more than
that, just a simple multiple choice fifty question test from their test question
bank) it cost about a hundred fifty bucks to schedule it being administered
through a local college since they don't do that anymore. I got my commercial/instrument
the same way, military competency test, but then you could walk
into a FSDO and take the test for free, only took about 10 minutes of interaction
with an inspector (about three of which were for this test, hand it to me,
thirty minutes later grade it with the classic punched hole overlay, not a lot
of work!).
What DO they do? Of course, it's like the old saying goes, just be happy we don't
get all the government we pay for...
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From: Chuck Campbell <cncampbell(at)outlook.com>
Subject: Welding AN bolts
Date: Sep 06, 2013
John=2C I had a couple of AN bolts welded to a flat 4130 sheet to hold my t
ailwheel. The welder did it without any ill effects. Chuck
> Date: Thu=2C 5 Sep 2013 07:53:58 -0500
> From: jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welding AN bolts
>
>
> Pietsters=2C
>
> I may need to weld some AN bolts to 4130 tubing. What is the plating mat
erial on the AN bolts=2C is it zinc chromate or cadmium? Is it hazardous t
o weld this stuff=2C and if so=2C how can I remove it before welding?
>
> Thanks=2C
> John Franklin
> Prairie Aire 4TA0
> Needville=2C TX
>
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Subject: Re: About wing tank
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Mario,
There's a third way to plumb the header tank, like mine is. You don't need to
vent the header tank to the wing if you have a vent on the header tank (at it's
own level) that you can shut off. That way the wing tank will fill the header
until it is full (when fuel runs out the valve), then you close it.
It's just like a big bubble in the fuel line on the way to the engine. Like an
hour worth of fuel big bubble (it could easily be as small as a gallon I think).
You just need to crack open that valve every so often to ensure the header tank
is full. It WILL be unless you've drained the wing tank pretty empty or there's
a problem. Just put the valve somewhere convenient so it's easy to do on
a preflight, not much different than sumping a tank.
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Date: Sep 06, 2013
From: <r.r.hall(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: FAA Inspection....
1500 for someone who lives two hours away is robbery. There should be no Hotel,
food, etc. The DAR we use charges about 500 usually. That includes a mileage
charge for him to drive here from maryland. Why would he need a Hotel anyway?
It doesn't take that long.
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Subject: Re: About wing tank
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Mario,
Also, I LIKE the drawing of your idea a lot. I didn't fully understand the little
dropped pickup point you did mention. If that were nearly a gallon or two,
it would really act like a header tank, especially if baffled well.
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Subject: Re: FAA Inspection....
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
I went to the airport last night taxied around a bit and a crowd gathered..."when
you gonna fly this thing" i told them i was waiting for the FAA and i got a
bunch of laughs.......anyways one of the bystanders is emailing me today a number
for the DAR that they used in the past and said it worked out real well.
so hopefully soon!
--------
NX321LR
ON THE FINAL PUSH!!
Mitsubishi Powered
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Date: Sep 06, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Horiz stab mounting.
The "T" nuts got the threaded area squeezed ever so slightly before being e
poxied in place. I will also add a little lock tite to the threads upon fin
al assembly. As you mentioned, easy enough to keep an eye on torque during
pre-flight.=0A=0AI also have access back there, so if needed, longer bolts
and added lock nuts can be used at a later time.=0A=0A=0A-=0AMichael Pere
z=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Subject: Re: About wing tank
Yes, my english vocabulary is short, and sometimes is difficult to write
what i think.
Thanks and regards
Mario Giacummo
2013/9/6 tools
>
> Mario,
>
> Also, I LIKE the drawing of your idea a lot. I didn't fully understand
> the little dropped pickup point you did mention. If that were nearly a
> gallon or two, it would really act like a header tank, especially if
> baffled well.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408138#408138
>
>
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Subject: Re: About wing tank
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Rest assured it wasn't your English Mario! You speak better English than I do
ANY language, English included!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408147#408147
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Specifics N973DS----Pietenpol For Sale $11,000
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Here is an excellent write up which gives specific details about Doc & Dee'
s Pietenpol.
Also, regarding the Strategic Air Command markings that appear on their air
plane in those photos
I posted previously? Most of those are gone now Doc told me but I'm sure
he and Dee could give
you the specifics.
Mike C.
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: About wing tank
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Mario,
Just some thoughts...
The majority of Pietenpols only have one tank, either in the wing or in the
fuselage...one fuel tank...one on/off valve. When the engine coughs at 500'
because you have been distracted during your flying and mismanaged your
fuel, the last thing you need is to try to remember which valves need to be
adjusted. If you have a flat-bottomed tank, the water will always be at the
trailing edge as the plane sits overnight, and during your pre-flight.
Whether you choose to have other fuel lines in the other corners is up to
you, just make sure that, from the fuel tank exit point, you have a
positive, downhill flow all the way to the gascolator, so that no water can
collect in any other part of the fuel system while sitting in the tail down
position. That way, at pre-flight, you can drain the fuel tank, and the
gascolator, and know that you have removed all the water.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 4:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: About wing tank
-->
Hello,
I try a search, but I do not find anything about what I want to know; so, my
doubt.
I am going to put a wing tank, and I want at least 12 gl of fuel (for 3
hours of flight +-). In the plans, the tank have it bottom in V, for obvious
causes, But I am thinking in a flat bottom inclined to the rear of the wing
with a slug at the very bottom. I don't remember/find the wing "normal"
angle of flight, to see how much angle give to the bottom of the tank
relative to the wing angle; do you understand what I want to do/know?.. may
be you have something to tell me about this.
Thank you.
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408102#408102
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From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Subject: Re: About wing tank
Understand, hands on, lets begin with the tank. but.... welded or
riveted?.. no, no.. it's a joke.
regards
Mario Giacummo
2013/9/6 Gary Boothe
>
> Mario,
>
> Just some thoughts...
>
> The majority of Pietenpols only have one tank, either in the wing or in the
> fuselage...one fuel tank...one on/off valve. When the engine coughs at 500'
> because you have been distracted during your flying and mismanaged your
> fuel, the last thing you need is to try to remember which valves need to be
> adjusted. If you have a flat-bottomed tank, the water will always be at the
> trailing edge as the plane sits overnight, and during your pre-flight.
> Whether you choose to have other fuel lines in the other corners is up to
> you, just make sure that, from the fuel tank exit point, you have a
> positive, downhill flow all the way to the gascolator, so that no water can
> collect in any other part of the fuel system while sitting in the tail down
> position. That way, at pre-flight, you can drain the fuel tank, and the
> gascolator, and know that you have removed all the water.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: About wing tank
>
> -->
>
> Hello,
>
> I try a search, but I do not find anything about what I want to know; so,
> my
> doubt.
> I am going to put a wing tank, and I want at least 12 gl of fuel (for 3
> hours of flight +-). In the plans, the tank have it bottom in V, for
> obvious
> causes, But I am thinking in a flat bottom inclined to the rear of the wing
> with a slug at the very bottom. I don't remember/find the wing "normal"
> angle of flight, to see how much angle give to the bottom of the tank
> relative to the wing angle; do you understand what I want to do/know?.. may
> be you have something to tell me about this.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
> Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408102#408102
>
>
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol for Sale---not on Barnstormers
Date: Sep 06, 2013
List,
Our BPAN Newsletter Editors Doc & Dee Mosher have a very solid Pietenpol fo
r sale but it isn't on Barnstormers so I thought I would post it here.
This is a VERY LIGHT C65-8. 605lbs. empty. I have reviewed the weight a
nd balance paperwork and this would be one nice flying Pietenpol.
The plane is located in Wisconsin. TT 75 hours including the engine since
overhaul. Can include a Condition Inspection. (Doc is an IA & A&P
and recipient of the prestigious FAA Charles Taylor Master Mechanic Award a
nd was just inducted into the Wisconsin Aviation Hall of Fame)
$11,000. Contact Doc & Dee Mosher: mosherd(at)tds.net or bpan(at)tds.net
Mike C.
(scroll down for more photos)
[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CEAAE6.7B7D43D0]
(Photos Courtesy of Bill Church)
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol for Sale---not on Barnstormers
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Are those tinted wind screens?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Sale---not on Barnstormers
List,
Our BPAN Newsletter Editors Doc & Dee Mosher have a very solid Pietenpol for
sale but it isn't on Barnstormers so I thought I would post it here.
This is a VERY LIGHT C65-8. 605lbs. empty. I have reviewed the weight
and balance paperwork and this would be one nice flying Pietenpol.
The plane is located in Wisconsin. TT 75 hours including the engine since
overhaul. Can include a Condition Inspection. (Doc is an IA & A&P
and recipient of the prestigious FAA Charles Taylor Master Mechanic Award
and was just inducted into the Wisconsin Aviation Hall of Fame)
$11,000. Contact Doc & Dee Mosher: mosherd(at)tds.net or bpan(at)tds.net
Mike C.
(scroll down for more photos)
(Photos Courtesy of Bill Church)
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Subject: Re: Step
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Probably best to avoid using the landing gear for landing as well. You know, to
avoid stress on the gear legs.
I'm kidding, of course - but only half. In general, it is a good idea to only
use things for the purpose that they are designed for. And landing gear usually
is designed to keep the belly of the plane off of the ground. However, if the
landing gear can't handle the occasional application of a 150-200 pound force,
especially up near the top end, I'd say it's not adequately designed and/or
built. Small steps like Rick's have been used successfully and effectively
by many Pietenpol passengers for many years.
Bill C.
Terry wrote:
> I had always been told to avoid using the gear for a step or welding a step onto
a gear leg. Stress on the gear leg.
>
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408165#408165
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Subject: Re: Step
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
You don't need a step if you have wire wheels. At least on my plane. I just have
the occasional passenger step on the tire. It is also a non slip surface.
:)
Oops, I just remembered that I also have a door... The tire may not work without
a door. What was I thinking?????????
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408166#408166
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Subject: Re: About wing tank
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
something like this?
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408167#408167
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Subject: Re: Step
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Thanks for clearing that up, Bill.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: Re: About wing tank
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
I've also got a sight gage like that and love it as well. Any water that winds
up in the wing tank is gonna show up there. Another feel good indication that's
hands free.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408170#408170
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: fuel tank
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Hi Mario,
I agree that to get 12 gallons in a wing tank that isn't higher than the
standard airfoil will probably need a flat bottom.
With a flat bottom I would be concerned with having just one rear outlet,
even with a large sump. I would also suggest a rear drain and a front
drain, both with large sumps. I like a large sump that so that there will
always be a "head" of fuel by each drain, mine are made from half an old
Russian army canteen turned on it's side and holds almost half a quart and
is nicely streamlined. Sloping the tank bottom to one side isn't a bad idea
either and since most landings are turns to the left, I guess being on the
left side is a good idea.
Whatever you do, be sure the rear drain is the low spot in the three-point
position so any water in the tank will collect there and you can drain it.
Then when you drain your gascolator at the bottom of the whole system, you
should be safe from water problems.
A header tank can help as mentioned, but it does add some complexity and
some weight. A reliable, single wing tank of 12 gallons should certainly be
able to be designed without needing a header tank.
I went overboard and have three drains, which I admit is probably too much,
but it is hard to imagine a scenario where landing with low fuel will cause
a problem.
Douwe
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: FAA inspector/DAR
Date: Sep 06, 2013
Hey Chris,
IF you can find a DAR in your area with a decent reputation, I'd seriously
consider spending the bucks just so you can get flying before winter.
$.02
Douwe
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Subject: Re: About wing tank
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
I'll be back with the plane next week... but...
It's a line coming out of the top of the tank, then goes down by the gascolator,
where there's a simple ball valve. If there's head pressure from the wing tank,
it will push any air or gas out the line and just down on the ground. You
could put the valve right on the tank, but when it over flows (when you manually
open the valve) it would get all over the place.
So, when I test it, I have to run enough gas out to account for the volume of fuel
in that little line from the tank to the valve, just a few ounces. If I see
a hesitation in the flow, I know I've purged some air from the top of the header
tank. In my case, the line coming out of the header is on the top, at the
front, where any air would be while it's sitting on the ground, tail low.
It's a very very simple system, with hardware store components. The ball valve
is actually a gas line valve, kinda hard to twist by hand. It's simple 1/4"
copper line plumbing.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408183#408183
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Subject: Re: fuel tank
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
About the weight. Dick determined 2RN was gonna be a bit tail heavy, so that was
also a consideration for a header tank, helped solve that problem. In the
event you do get into the header tank for fuel, it's a matter of I'd rather than
have fuel than optimal balance... which makes sense.
Also have a battery up there, just to keep the radio going for months and months...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408184#408184
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Subject: Re: About wing tank
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2013
You're welcome. I have no idea if it's "normal" or not! It's just how Dick set
up 2RN and I like it. Simple, makes a lot of sense. I also like Mario's idea
of the sump. Again, which may or may not be "normal". I'm still new to this
general aviation thing and cutting your teeth in "experimental" aviation is
several orders of magnitude away from a normal I know nothing about... ya know?!
Sad truth of the matter is that's there's just a lot of ways to mort yourself.
I've come to the conclusion that doing what makes the most sense to YOU (the
user) is probably close to right, as you're more likely to operate in a manner
that is appropriate to your own setup. Still, the more we discuss our own understanding
of shortfalls and such of various methods is invaluable.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408187#408187
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Subject: Re: fuel tank
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 07, 2013
That is what I am going to do. The bottom is flat, but higher in the front than
the rear, and number more number less it will accept 12.4 gallons plus a litle
more in the back sump.
thanks to all.
--------
Mario Giacummo
Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4
Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408205#408205
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Ripping spars
Date: Sep 07, 2013
Spent the day planing and ripping spars and strut stock with Mike Weaver.It
was a good day!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: fuel tank
Date: Sep 07, 2013
For whatever it's worth now, here's a pic of my 22 gal. tank.
My center section is 36"wide and the tank is 32" wide. It does
rise above the wing about 2" as well. This way allows me to
keep the fuel line and shutoff really simple, smoothly
curved and in the open. No extra lines and 90 fittings
inside the fuselage and no hole in the firewall.
Clif
All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. -Ralph
Waldo Emerson
> That is what I am going to do. The bottom is flat, but higher in the front
> than the rear, and number more number less it will accept 12.4 gallons
> plus a litle more in the back sump.
> thanks to all.
> Mario Giacummo
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From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: fuel tank
Date: Sep 07, 2013
Is this tank metal or fiberglass? If metal,how did you make the sump area?
Fantastic work, no matter the material!
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 7, 2013, at 7:43 PM, "Clif Dawson" wrote:
> For whatever it's worth now, here's a pic of my 22 gal. tank.
> My center section is 36"wide and the tank is 32" wide. It does
> rise above the wing about 2" as well. This way allows me to
> keep the fuel line and shutoff really simple, smoothly
> curved and in the open. No extra lines and 90 fittings
> inside the fuselage and no hole in the firewall.
>
> Clif
> All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. -Ralph Waldo
Emerson
>
>
>> That is what I am going to do. The bottom is flat, but higher in the front than
the rear, and number more number less it will accept 12.4 gallons plus a litle
more in the back sump.
>> thanks to all.
>> Mario Giacummo
>
>
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From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: fuel tank
Date: Sep 07, 2013
Thanks Ray. Fiberglass. The bottom is painted with
"chrome" paint. The top will be the same as the
wing.
> Is this tank metal or fiberglass? If metal,how did you make the sump area?
>
> Fantastic work, no matter the material!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
>
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From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 08, 2013
Subject: Re: fuel tank
Thank you Clif, I saw your photos from years now!!! you did a very nice
tank;
An other little question.. gascolator?
Regards
Mario Giacummo
2013/9/8 Clif Dawson
>
> Thanks Ray. Fiberglass. The bottom is painted with
> "chrome" paint. The top will be the same as the
> wing.
>
>
> Is this tank metal or fiberglass? If metal,how did you make the sump area?
>>
>> Fantastic work, no matter the material!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Krause
>>
>>
>
>
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From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: fuel tank
Date: Sep 08, 2013
Thanks! You should rent out the plug you made for at least the bottom of the tank.
Did you carve it from foam?
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 7, 2013, at 11:29 PM, "Clif Dawson" wrote:
>
> Thanks Ray. Fiberglass. The bottom is painted with
> "chrome" paint. The top will be the same as the
> wing.
>
>
>> Is this tank metal or fiberglass? If metal,how did you make the sump area?
>>
>> Fantastic work, no matter the material!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Krause
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: fuel tank
Date: Sep 08, 2013
Ah, Gascolator. That came from an oddball new/used
parts place near here. The top casting has 3/8 pipe
threaded holes so is equal to the rest of the system.
Here's a couple of pics. The line to the carb is as
uphill as I could get it.
Clif
Thank you Clif, I saw your photos from years now!!! you did a very nice
tank;
An other little question.. gascolator?
Regards
Mario Giacummo
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From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: fuel tank
Date: Sep 08, 2013
Now you tell me! :-) The plug was a "lost foam" thing
Fiberglassed on the outside as a bottom first with a "skirt"
divider the curve of the wing top. When that cured I
cleaned up the skirt area, removing same from the
fiberglass. Then lots of mold release was applied and
the top glassed on. Separated the thing at that skirt
line, dug out and cleaned off the foam and relase agent.
Installed some fiberglass sheet inside to control surging
and put the thing together.
Pic is of the bottom before cleaning it up. Note the
colour of the vinyl-ester resin.
Clif
>
> Thanks! You should rent out the plug you made for at least the bottom of
> the tank. Did you carve it from foam?
>
> Ray Krause
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2013
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Aircamper for Sale
Repeating from a few months ago, Jim Sury's GN-1 Aircamper is for sale. It is
powered by a Continental C-85 and he is asking $4000 OBO.
The plane has always been hangared and is presently at Prairie Aire, 4TA0, Needville,
TX.
Contact: Jim Sury, 832-595-4941
You can see pics of the plane at: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Jim%20Sury%20GN1/pictures.htm
Thanks,
John Franklin
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Subject: Re: Ripping spars
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 09, 2013
Very cool, Will Mike be flying it to Frazeur Lake West in June? Good for you
guys. I assume he can now assemble his wings. Looking forward to more updates.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408291#408291
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Date: Sep 09, 2013
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Aireal photos of 6186L
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p 7, 2013 at 12:11 AM=0ASubject: Re: Urgent Bomb Drop Pictures Needed!=0ATo
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Subject: Re: Ripping spars
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 09, 2013
Yeah.... Get Mike to give us a photo update of he project!!!
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:
>
> Very cool, Will Mike be flying it to Frazeur Lake West in June? Good for you
guys. I assume he can now assemble his wings. Looking forward to more updates.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408291#408291
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Aircamper for Sale
Date: Sep 10, 2013
Is it in flying condition?
cb
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Franklin" <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircamper for Sale
>
> Repeating from a few months ago, Jim Sury's GN-1 Aircamper is for sale.
> It is powered by a Continental C-85 and he is asking $4000 OBO.
> The plane has always been hangared and is presently at Prairie Aire, 4TA0,
> Needville, TX.
> Contact: Jim Sury, 832-595-4941
> You can see pics of the plane at:
> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Jim%20Sury%20GN1/pictures.htm
>
> Thanks,
> John Franklin
>
>
>
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Aireal photos of 6186L
Date: Sep 10, 2013
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Subject: Re: Aircamper for Sale
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2013
Any info on the C-85?
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Date: Sep 10, 2013
Subject: Wood relaxation
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that when
checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) you
should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then retorque.
How many of you guys with wood props do it this way?
rh
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Date: Sep 10, 2013
Subject: Re: Aireal photos of 6186L
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Looks like that front cockpit is more comfortable with the door left open.
Especially with a heavy coat.
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Andre Abreu wro
te:
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> *From:* Ryan Weaver
> *To:* tblsaci
> *Sent:* Monday, September 9, 2013 4:40 PM
> *Subject:* [TBLSACI] Fwd: Urgent Bomb Drop Pictures Needed!
>
>
> Here are a few things that Parker got including video of a tire going
> flat on landing.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Parker Brainard* <parkerbrainard(at)gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Urgent Bomb Drop Pictures Needed!
> To: Ryan Weaver
>
>
> Here are a few stills i pulled.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Parker Brainard > wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyToLWisavo&feature=youtu.be
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Date: Sep 10, 2013
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
Rick,
Do you happen to have a link to that FAA document? A friend of mine was recently
flying his Legal Eagle with the 1/2VW engine when his newly-installed wooden
prop came off after shearing all the bolts. He had only torqued the bolts once
after installation.
Thanks,
John F.
Prairie Aire, 4TA0
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: Sep 10, 2013 12:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that when checking
wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) you should
loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then retorque. How many of
you guys with wood props do it this way?
rh
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Date: Sep 10, 2013
Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
That is interesting, a fire-breathing 1/2 VW having enough torque to shear
4 bolts. But here is the link to the FAA document, (my DAR asked me to show
him this during my airworthiness inspection btw).
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/23127
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:25 AM, John Franklin wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Do you happen to have a link to that FAA document? A friend of mine was
> recently flying his Legal Eagle with the 1/2VW engine when his
> newly-installed wooden prop came off after shearing all the bolts. He had
> only torqued the bolts once after installation.
>
> Thanks,
> John F.
> Prairie Aire, 4TA0
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rick Holland
>
> Sent: Sep 10, 2013 12:08 PM
>
> To: pietenpol-list
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
>
>
> Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that
> when checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say)
> you should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then
> retorque. How many of you guys with wood props do it this way?
>
> rh
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
> NX6819Z
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Subject: Re: Bob's Progress Report
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Sep 10, 2013
looks great Bob. Your shop is much cleaner than mine.
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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Subject: Some GN-1 progress
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Sep 10, 2013
I have not posted for a while so I thought I would update with some pictures.
Using a corvair engine with a non standard starter meant a different location for
the alternator. Looked at a rear mount, even the new direct coupling to the
harmonic balancer but my engine is too close to the firewall. Settled on a
location low on the left side facing aft out of the cooling airstream. First
shows the the mounting hardware which weighs in at 7 oz. Next shows the location.
I am pretty happy with how it worked. Bracket is .080 4130 and has slotted
holes so it can be added to a Dan 5th bearing without removing the ring gear.
The spacer comes off of the lower bolt hole on the head and holds the other
end of the alternator.
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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Subject: GN-1 nose bowl for corvair
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Sep 10, 2013
I won a corvair nose bowl at the silent auction at Brodhead. It was cheap and
I think a reject but made a great mold. I needed extra room for my starter setup
and a little room for pulley clearance on the alternator. I had decided to
use a pressure cowl rather than eyebrows but I kind of like the eyebrow look.
I decided to incorporate that into the pressure cowl.
The pic. following is what I came up with. I managed to get it off of the mold
without destroying it or the mold and I am doing some finishing touches. It
is currently baking at 120 deg. to stiffen up the epoxy and then a final coat
of 2oz cloth and epoxy and it is ready to mount. last pic. shows the mold and
the other two show the nose bowl set in place. When finished I will split it
vertically so it will be easy to work from one side or the other to fit top cooling
baffles.
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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Date: Sep 10, 2013
Subject: Re: Some GN-1 progress
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Jon
Nice work, also with the dynamo mounted lower than with WW's mount you
should get more airflow into the right cylinders.
rick
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:19 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
> coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
>
> I have not posted for a while so I thought I would update with some
> pictures.
>
> Using a corvair engine with a non standard starter meant a different
> location for the alternator. Looked at a rear mount, even the new direct
> coupling to the harmonic balancer but my engine is too close to the
> firewall. Settled on a location low on the left side facing aft out of the
> cooling airstream. First shows the the mounting hardware which weighs in
> at 7 oz. Next shows the location. I am pretty happy with how it worked.
> Bracket is .080 4130 and has slotted holes so it can be added to a Dan 5th
> bearing without removing the ring gear. The spacer comes off of the lower
> bolt hole on the head and holds the other end of the alternator.
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408372#408372
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/0829132306_477.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/0829132102_994.jpg
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Date: Sep 10, 2013
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Aireal photos of 6186L
Either that or rolling in his grave. =0APlane is at TDZ now. =0A=0AAndy Ab
reu
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Date: Sep 10, 2013
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Aireal photos of 6186L
It gets a little drafty when the door is open. =0AI don't know how any
one would ever get in without a door. =0A=0AAndy Abreu
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From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
Date: Sep 10, 2013
The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put
away for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition
inspection in April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of
15-19 ft. lbs. for AN6 bolts.
There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed
belleville spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are
attached.
It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop
bolts.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that
when checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they
say) you should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then
retorque. How many of you guys with wood props do it this way?
rh
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Subject: Routing the tail pieces - table saw modified to router
table
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2013
Hello good Piet-ple,
Spend the last couple sessions rounding over the tail pieces. To do this I did
something I have been wanting to do for quite some time - modify my table saw
wing/extension to mount my router. It took a good deal of time and effort with
my angle grinder to remove the "ribs" on the underside but it was well worth
it...
Enjoy a couple images of the modified table saw and the parts after rounding over.
(I bought my wings and tail "mostly completed" from another gentleman so I
am mostly just having to refine them.)
Enjoying the adventure...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Wood relaxation
Date: Sep 10, 2013
Why would you put an airplane away in November?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Cardinal
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put away
for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition inspection in
April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of 15-19 ft. lbs. for
AN6 bolts.
There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed belleville
spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are attached.
It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop
bolts.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland <mailto:at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that when
checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) you
should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then retorque.
How many of you guys with wood props do it this way?
rh
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
From: "M. Zeke Zechini" <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2013
Got checked out in my Piet in December. Great flying weather. Even better th
is year with snappy, Douwe-inspired leather helmet.
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:25 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrot
e:
> Why would you put an airplane away in November?
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
>
> The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put aw
ay for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition inspection
in April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of 15-19 ft. lbs. f
or AN6 bolts.
> There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed belleville s
pring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are attached.
>
> It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop bo
lts.
>
> Greg Cardinal
> Minneapolis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Holland
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:08 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
>
> Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that whe
n checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say) you s
hould loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then retorque. How
many of you guys with wood props do it this way?
>
> rh
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
> NX6819Z
>
>
>
>
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onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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Subject: New User & Potential Addict...
From: "BritishJim" <james(at)pieceofcakepr.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2013
Hello all,
I'm Jim - originally British and now nestled up here in Canada. Perhaps I should
be joining a ski forum?!
I was 99.9999% to biting the bullet on a Zenith CH750 kit, but then I was at AirVenture
this year and saw the Pietenpol. Well, it was like the first time I saw
my now wife.
That's when the fence presented itself and I'm currently sat on it.
It looks as if the Piet community is very supportive, so I thought I'd drop by,
say hello and see if I'm 'welcome'?!
I could easily be swayed in my decision and I don't think anything would beat the
open cockpit and vintage feel of a Piet.
It's tough. Convince me!
All the best,
Jim.
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sep 10, 2013
Subject: Re: New User & Potential Addict...
UNCLASSIFIED
go get a flight in each one. The Piet is as close to a flying motorcycle as I have
found.
Steve d
On 09/10/13, BritishJim wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm Jim - originally British and now nestled up here in Canada. Perhaps I should
be joining a ski forum?!
>
> I was 99.9999% to biting the bullet on a Zenith CH750 kit, but then I was at
AirVenture this year and saw the Pietenpol. Well, it was like the first time I
saw my now wife.
>
> That's when the fence presented itself and I'm currently sat on it.
>
> It looks as if the Piet community is very supportive, so I thought I'd drop by,
say hello and see if I'm 'welcome'?!
>
> I could easily be swayed in my decision and I don't think anything would beat
the open cockpit and vintage feel of a Piet.
>
> It's tough. Convince me!
>
> All the best,
> Jim.
>
> --------
> Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground....
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408401#408401
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
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Subject: Re: New User & Potential Addict...
From: "BritishJim" <james(at)pieceofcakepr.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2013
Before I forget...
I've got a bunch of questions. Is it acceptable for me to compile them into a single
thread?
I know some forums have different rules and I don't want to violate protocol!
Jim.
--------
Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground....
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From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: New User & Potential Addict...
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Bring them on Jim. There's a ton of helpful and smart people on this list...
Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "BritishJim" <james(at)pieceofcakepr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New User & Potential Addict...
>
>
> Before I forget...
>
> I've got a bunch of questions. Is it acceptable for me to compile them
> into a single thread?
>
> I know some forums have different rules and I don't want to violate
> protocol!
>
> Jim.
>
> --------
> Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the
> ground....
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408402#408402
>
>
>
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Welcome Jim!
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Welcome Jim!
Being an ex-Brit, I think you'll find us colonists fairly friendly!!
Seriously though, the Pietenpol community is one of the best parts of my
twelve-year Piet experience. I doubt I'd be flying yet except for the help,
support and encouragement I've found on this forum. We don't have any rules
really. Sometimes we have to have to remind eachother to exercise common
sense, respect and good humor. and we often refer people to the archives and
www.westcoastpiet.com <http://www.westcoastpiet.com/> , both of which are a
wealth of information where you'll find many of your questions answered.
The Pietenpol Aircamper is a great plane; it is what it is. A no-frills,
"puddle jumper" designed in the twenties. The first things you'll hear will
be: 1. build to the plans as much as possible 2. keep it light 3. buy the
three Tony Bingiles books on building from EAA 4. keep it light 5.
build to the plans 6. use wisdom and discernment as to whose advice you
take 7. build to the plans 8. keep it light 9. don't try to turn a
Piet into something it wasn't meant to be and 10. try to get to the annual
Brodhead, WI fly-in the weekend before that "other" flyin in Oshkosh 11.
join the Brodhead Pietenpol Association and get the newsletter for ideas and
encouragement while building and finally. build to the plans and keep it
light!
Other than that, fire away! This stuff was new to all of us at one point!!
Douwe
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Subject: Re: Priceless
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Out lookin for my dog with some help from a fellow Pieter :)
cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> Isn't that where you can watch your dog run away for
> three days? :-)
> Clif
>
>
> > Evening flight on the outskirts of Winnipeg.
> > 8:00PM and still 32deg C out.
> >
> > Gotta love it!!!
> >
> > --------
> > Adrian M
> > Winnipeg, MB
> > Canada
> >
> >
>
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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Subject: Re: leading edge plywood
From: "pringljo" <joseph.pringle(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2013
In looking at these pictures, I looks like most folks have used a solid, rounded
leading edge that runs the whole length of the wing, and then butted the plywood
up to it. However, in the picture Mike Perez posted, it looks like he just
used a rounded rib tip, and wrapped ply around that. How many others have
used that approach? Is this adequate?
--------
Joe Pringle
Atlanta, GA
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: leading edge plywood
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Joe,
Unless you want to bet your life on someone else's wing re-design, I would
suggest to just follow the plans.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pringljo
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
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In looking at these pictures, I looks like most folks have used a solid,
rounded leading edge that runs the whole length of the wing, and then butted
the plywood up to it. However, in the picture Mike Perez posted, it looks
like he just used a rounded rib tip, and wrapped ply around that. How many
others have used that approach? Is this adequate?
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Joe Pringle
Atlanta, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408415#408415
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Subject: Re: New User & Potential Addict...
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Hi Jim.
Welcome to the forum. And welcome to Canada as well.
Where in Ontario are you? I'm just north of Toronto, and several years into slowly
building a Piet.
There are several flying Piets around, and a few builders as well.
There's an annual Pietenpol Picnic held in southern Ontario every year, on the
Father's day weekend. Too late for this year, but worth noting for next year.
Bring on the questions. But first, try using the search function. A LOT of questions
have been asked in the past, so there's a good chance that you may be
able to find what you're looking for in the archives. However, this forum is
a very friendly bunch, and somebody likely has an answer for just about any question
you might have.
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408417#408417
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Subject: Re: Some GN-1 progress
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Sep 11, 2013
That is my hope. It requires a little cowl work to get clearance but I was at
the point of making a nose bowl so I can make it to fit. I am real pleased with
the simplicity of the mounting.
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: New User & Potential Addict...
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Hi Jim,
Let me add my welcome to those you've already gotten, and emphasize again
how warm and friendly this forum is compared to some others. I'm building
(well, not at the moment, but will return eventualy to) an RV-10, and I'm on
that forum as well, mostly as a lurker. What a difference between
Pietenpeople and RV'ers! Many on the RV-10 list spend a lot of time
complaining about the quality of Van's kits (which I find to be incredibly
high quality), and whining about which dual EFIS glass panel they should
install. I find very little experimentation or new ideas floating around on
that forum. On the Pietenpol forum, although you will constantly here
"Build it to the plans", most of us have made a modification or two to fit
our own needs - some mods more effective than others.
If you don't already own them, buy a set of the Tony Bingelis books from EAA
- you will find they answer many of your questions about how to build an
airplane from scratch.
What kind of flying experience do you have? Are you a current pilot? Do
you have tailwheel experience? Understand that the Pietenpol flies like
what it is - a 1929 design. The plane that flies most like it (that I have
flown, anyway) is probably a Piper J-3 Cub. The Piet is blind in forward
visibility on landing (and at all other times, if powered by a Model A with
a radiator sitting smack in the middle of your forward vision), and requires
a lot of rudder to counteract the adverse yaw of its less than spectacular
ailerons. It is also more fun to fly than just about any other airplane I
have flown.
Building from scratch is totally different from kit-building, in that YOU
get to make all the decisions, such as what engine to use, what type of
landing gear, one-piece or 3-piece wing, what covering system, what paint
system, etc. Again, I'm about halfway through building an RV-10 and I find
it to just be tedious assembly work. The factory got to do all the fun
stuff, fabricating components. I found the build process on the Pietenpol
to be very enjoyable by comparison.
So welcome to the world of Pietenpols! It's hard to beat open cockpit
flying, although in Canada you might find something with an enclosed cockpit
and a heater a bit more comfortable.
Good luck with your decision.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BritishJim
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New User & Potential Addict...
Hello all,
I'm Jim - originally British and now nestled up here in Canada. Perhaps I
should be joining a ski forum?!
I was 99.9999% to biting the bullet on a Zenith CH750 kit, but then I was at
AirVenture this year and saw the Pietenpol. Well, it was like the first time
I saw my now wife.
That's when the fence presented itself and I'm currently sat on it.
It looks as if the Piet community is very supportive, so I thought I'd drop
by, say hello and see if I'm 'welcome'?!
I could easily be swayed in my decision and I don't think anything would
beat the open cockpit and vintage feel of a Piet.
It's tough. Convince me!
All the best,
Jim.
--------
Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the
ground....
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408401#408401
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Subject: Re: New User & Potential Addict...
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Well said jack, gardiner
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 11, 2013, at 10:57 AM, "Jack Phillips" wro
te:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Let me add my welcome to those you've already gotten, and emphasize again h
ow warm and friendly this forum is compared to some others. I'm building (w
ell, not at the moment, but will return eventualy to) an RV-10, and I'm on t
hat forum as well, mostly as a lurker. What a difference between Pietenpeop
le and RV'ers! Many on the RV-10 list spend a lot of time complaining about
the quality of Van's kits (which I find to be incredibly high quality), and
whining about which dual EFIS glass panel they should install. I find very
little experimentation or new ideas floating around on that forum. On the P
ietenpol forum, although you will constantly here "Build it to the plans", m
ost of us have made a modification or two to fit our own needs - some mods m
ore effective than others.
>
> If you don't already own them, buy a set of the Tony Bingelis books from E
AA - you will find they answer many of your questions about how to build an a
irplane from scratch.
>
> What kind of flying experience do you have? Are you a current pilot? Do y
ou have tailwheel experience? Understand that the Pietenpol flies like what
it is =93 a 1929 design. The plane that flies most like it (that I h
ave flown, anyway) is probably a Piper J-3 Cub. The Piet is blind in forwar
d visibility on landing (and at all other times, if powered by a Model A wit
h a radiator sitting smack in the middle of your forward vision), and requir
es a lot of rudder to counteract the adverse yaw of its less than spectacula
r ailerons. It is also more fun to fly than just about any other airplane I
have flown.
>
> Building from scratch is totally different from kit-building, in that YOU g
et to make all the decisions, such as what engine to use, what type of landi
ng gear, one-piece or 3-piece wing, what covering system, what paint system,
etc. Again, I=99m about halfway through building an RV-10 and I find
it to just be tedious assembly work. The factory got to do all the fun stu
ff, fabricating components. I found the build process on the Pietenpol to b
e very enjoyable by comparison.
>
> So welcome to the world of Pietenpols! It=99s hard to beat open coc
kpit flying, although in Canada you might find something with an enclosed co
ckpit and a heater a bit more comfortable.
>
> Good luck with your decision.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BritishJim
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:16 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: New User & Potential Addict...
>
m>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm Jim - originally British and now nestled up here in Canada. Perhaps I s
hould be joining a ski forum?!
>
> I was 99.9999% to biting the bullet on a Zenith CH750 kit, but then I was a
t AirVenture this year and saw the Pietenpol. Well, it was like the first ti
me I saw my now wife.
>
> That's when the fence presented itself and I'm currently sat on it.
>
> It looks as if the Piet community is very supportive, so I thought I'd dro
p by, say hello and see if I'm 'welcome'?!
>
> I could easily be swayed in my decision and I don't think anything would b
eat the open cockpit and vintage feel of a Piet.
>
> It's tough. Convince me!
>
> All the best,
> Jim.
>
> --------
> Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the
ground....
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408401#408401
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: new builder---welcome!
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Hello Jim---Welcome to the list. The guys are giving you some excellent adv
ice. I've got nothing to add.
Do you have a paint scheme picked out?
All the best,
Mike C.
Ohio
PS-here's a pic of my Piet. A65 Continental, Jenny style landing gear.
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Subject: Re: leading edge plywood
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Like Gary said, this design is not flight proven. Take your chances if you
like.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: pringljo <joseph.pringle(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:50 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
In looking at these pictures, I looks like most folks have used a solid, ro
unded
leading edge that runs the whole length of the wing, and then butted the pl
ywood
up to it. However, in the picture Mike Perez posted, it looks like he just
used
a rounded rib tip, and wrapped ply around that. How many others have used
that
approach? Is this adequate?
--------
Joe Pringle
Atlanta, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408415#408415
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Date: Sep 11, 2013
Subject: Re: Routing the tail pieces - table saw modified to router
table
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Good idea Jake. This way you don't have both a table saw and a cheap Harbor
Freight router table like mine taking up room in your shop.
rick
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 5:18 PM, aerocarjake wrote:
> >
>
> Hello good Piet-ple,
>
> Spend the last couple sessions rounding over the tail pieces. To do this I
> did something I have been wanting to do for quite some time - modify my
> table saw wing/extension to mount my router. It took a good deal of time
> and effort with my angle grinder to remove the "ribs" on the underside but
> it was well worth it...
>
> Enjoy a couple images of the modified table saw and the parts after
> rounding over. (I bought my wings and tail "mostly completed" from another
> gentleman so I am mostly just having to refine them.)
>
> Enjoying the adventure...
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408392#408392
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/table_saw_underside_of_table_891.jpg
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/table_saw_modified_for_router_underside_416.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/table_saw_with_router_181.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag4453_1_152.jpg
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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Date: Sep 11, 2013
Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
|>Why would you put an airplane away in November?
I think we would have to spend a winter in Minnesota to understand that.
rh
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> ** ** **
>
> Why would you put an airplane away in November?****
>
> ** **
>
> Jack Phillips****
>
> NX899JP****
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia****
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Cardinal
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation****
>
> ** **
>
> The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put
> away for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition
> inspection in April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of 15-19
> ft. lbs. for AN6 bolts.****
>
> There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed ****
> belleville**** spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are
> attached.****
>
> ****
>
> It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop
> bolts.****
>
> ****
>
> Greg Cardinal****
>
> ****Minneapolis********
>
> ----- Original Message ----- ****
>
> *From:* Rick Holland ****
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list ****
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:08 PM****
>
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation****
>
> ** **
>
> Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions that
> when checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5 hours they say)
> you should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax for an hour then
> retorque. How many of you guys with wood props do it this way? ****
>
> ** **
>
> rh
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, ****Colorado****
> NX6819Z
>
> ****
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List*
>
> *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c*
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Routing the tail pieces - table saw modified to router
table
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Looks like a museum to me Jake, beautiful work.
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Routing the tail pieces - table saw modified to
router table
Hello good Piet-ple,
Spend the last couple sessions rounding over the tail pieces. To do this I
did something I have been wanting to do for quite some time - modify my
table saw wing/extension to mount my router. It took a good deal of time
and effort with my angle grinder to remove the "ribs" on the underside but
it was well worth it...
Enjoy a couple images of the modified table saw and the parts after rounding
over. (I bought my wings and tail "mostly completed" from another gentleman
so I am mostly just having to refine them.)
Enjoying the adventure...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408392#408392
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/table_saw_underside_of_table_891.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/table_saw_modified_for_router_underside_4
16.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/table_saw_with_router_181.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag4453_1_152.jpg
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Subject: Classifieds for the Experimental Aviation Community
From: "EdKranz" <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Hello, Pietenpol builders and flyers!
Over the past few years I've noticed that many homebuilders tend to stick to their
own online groups. Also, when people are looking to buy or sell parts (or
planes), that experience is also quite fragmented. There will be different postings
on individual email lists, dedicated builder forums, and the big general
aviation classifieds sites... but often these listings would be of interest to
everyone regardless of which type of plane they are building or flying.
To try to help people reach across those divisions, I am launching a new website:
www.SkySwapper.com
It's an online classifieds site purely dedicated to the experimental aviation community.
Of course, since it's brand new, it's pretty empty... but I'm hoping you all can
help me with that. Posting ads with one photo will always be free, but sign
up using the promo code: matronics
and you'll get the ability to post ads with 4 up to pictures for free as thanks
for being one of the early adopters, along with some other perks.
(Or simply register with this link:)
http://www.skyswapper.com/register.php?registration_code=matronics
Since I'm a -10 builder that frequents the Matronics forums, I decided that this
was the best community to begin the initial launch with. The site is still in
a beta release, so comments, suggestions, and complaints are all very important
to me. If you see anything that is broken, or have ideas about how to make
the site function better, please let me know thru the Contact Us page on the
site.
Thanks for your time and happy building and flying!
Ed Kranz
RV10 Builder
www.SkySwapper.com
www.EdandColleen.com (my build site)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408441#408441
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Subject: Classifieds for the Experimental Aviation Community
From: "EdKranz" <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Hello, Pietenpol builders and flyers!
Over the past few years I've noticed that many homebuilders tend to stick to their
own online groups. Also, when people are looking to buy or sell parts (or
planes), that experience is also quite fragmented. There will be different postings
on individual email lists, dedicated builder forums, and the big general
aviation classifieds sites... but often these listings would be of interest to
everyone regardless of which type of plane they are building or flying.
To try to help people reach across those divisions, I am launching a new website:
www.SkySwapper.com
It's an online classifieds site purely dedicated to the experimental aviation community.
Of course, since it's brand new, it's pretty empty... but I'm hoping you all can
help me with that. Posting ads with one photo will always be free, but sign
up using the promo code: matronics
and you'll get the ability to post ads with 4 up to pictures for free as thanks
for being one of the early adopters, along with some other perks.
(Or simply register with this link:)
http://www.skyswapper.com/register.php?registration_code=matronics
Since I'm a -10 builder that frequents the Matronics forums, I decided that this
was the best community to begin the initial launch with. The site is still in
a beta release, so comments, suggestions, and complaints are all very important
to me. If you see anything that is broken, or have ideas about how to make
the site function better, please let me know thru the Contact Us page on the
site.
Thanks for your time and happy building and flying!
Ed Kranz
RV10 Builder
www.SkySwapper.com
www.EdandColleen.com (my build site)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408443#408443
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Subject: Re: Routing the tail pieces - table saw modified to router
tabl
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Thanks.... A small shop was one of the key reasons I wanted to combine both table
saw and router table functions on the same tool.
There are companies that make replacement castings/tops (with router inserts) for
table saws, but this was the simplest way I could think of to do it....
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408446#408446
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Date: Sep 11, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: leading edge plywood
There are aircraft that do fly without a "leading edge" but instead rely on
some type of "skin" to form it. Gary Booth pointed this out in a previous
post about my "leading edge."- (Quote below)=0A-=0A"Do you know if buil
ding wings without the solid leading edge is a problem?=0AIt wasn't for tho
usands of T-crafts, Boredom Fighters, etc. In fact, the=0ABoredom Fighter d
oesn't even have the benefit of plywood.just thin aluminum.=0AI find myself
in an odd position of defending the builder's wing, while I so=0Arichly ad
mire Mr. Pietenpol's design. As I am about to start on another=0Ahandmade a
irplane, I am redesigning the wing, too, because..I can! It's=0Acalled Expe
rimental Aviation."=0A-=0AI don't know if anyone has done it on the Piete
npol.- I like it...I am happy with it and in about a years time, (if the
planets are aligned correctly) I will start test flights.=0A=0AMichael Pere
z=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero.com/
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From: Chuck Campbell <cncampbell(at)outlook.com>
Subject: Re: leading edge plywood
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Yes=2C I did as Michael did. I think the wing is stronger and possibly lig
hter. Chuck
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
> From: joseph.pringle(at)gmail.com
> Date: Wed=2C 11 Sep 2013 06:49:36 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
m>
>
> In looking at these pictures=2C I looks like most folks have used a solid
=2C rounded leading edge that runs the whole length of the wing=2C and then
butted the plywood up to it. However=2C in the picture Mike Perez posted
=2C it looks like he just used a rounded rib tip=2C and wrapped ply around
that. How many others have used that approach? Is this adequate?
>
> --------
> Joe Pringle
> Atlanta=2C GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408415#408415
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From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: Re: leading edge plywood
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Joe,
My Talyorcraft wing leading edge is thin sheet metal wrapped around
round nose ribs similar to what Michael has done. The Taylorcraft has
been flying this way for 67 years flight proven.
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
Yes, I did as Michael did. I think the wing is stronger and possibly
lighter. Chuck
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
> From: joseph.pringle(at)gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:49:36 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> In looking at these pictures, I looks like most folks have used a
solid, rounded leading edge that runs the whole length of the wing, and
then butted the plywood up to it. However, in the picture Mike Perez
posted, it looks like he just used a rounded rib tip, and wrapped ply
around that. How many others have used that approach? Is this adequate?
>
> --------
> Joe Pringle
> Atlanta, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408415#408415
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: leading edge plywood - Mea Culpa
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Ha! That's right! I said those words! Thank you, Mike, for reminding me, and
giving me an opportunity to clarify my hasty response this morning.
My earlier response was, "Unless you want to bet your life on someone else's
wing re-design, I would suggest to just follow the plans." Joe Pringle's
question was, ".Is this adequate?"
What I should have said is to educate and convince yourself that you are
making the right decision, not just 'cuz someone else did it. In all
fairness, Joe probably got the idea from Mike, then began the process of
convincing himself by asking The List for feedback. Unfortunately, that's
probably like asking, "Hey, I saw this Riblett airfoil.is that better?"
It is an enormous undertaking to properly understand wing design.and there
are significant differences among the aircraft that I listed as examples.
The T-craft uses an aluminum rib, and the Boredom Fighter a plywood rib.just
for starters. FWIW - I have abandoned the wing re-design on my next project,
and will follow plans.
Joe Pringle - My apologies for a hasty response. I hope you continue your
information quest and make a decision that causes you comfort.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
There are aircraft that do fly without a "leading edge" but instead rely on
some type of "skin" to form it. Gary Booth pointed this out in a previous
post about my "leading edge." (Quote below)
"Do you know if building wings without the solid leading edge is a problem?
It wasn't for thousands of T-crafts, Boredom Fighters, etc. In fact, the
Boredom Fighter doesn't even have the benefit of plywood.just thin aluminum.
I find myself in an odd position of defending the builder's wing, while I so
richly admire Mr. Pietenpol's design. As I am about to start on another
handmade airplane, I am redesigning the wing, too, because..I can! It's
called Experimental Aviation."
I don't know if anyone has done it on the Pietenpol. I like it...I am happy
with it and in about a years time, (if the planets are aligned correctly) I
will start test flights.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
http://www.karetakeraero.com/
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Subject: Re: Welcome Jim!
From: "BritishJim" <james(at)pieceofcakepr.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Thank you!
Great advice. Your warm welcome is much appreciated.
Jim.
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Subject: Re: New User & Potential Addict...
From: "BritishJim" <james(at)pieceofcakepr.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Hi Bill,
Hello; great to meet you!
I'm in London, so I'll blank next Fathers day off on the calendar. We have no kids
and my own Dad is 3,000 miles away back in the UK. See you there!
Jim.
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Subject: Re: New User & Potential Addict...
From: "BritishJim" <james(at)pieceofcakepr.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2013
Great to meet you all.
My only licensed experience is with gliders - 130 hours back in the UK. I'm certainly
used to stick and rudder work.
So that's two fun challenges - building the Piet and getting the license!
--------
Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground....
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From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: leading edge plywood
Date: Sep 12, 2013
Joe,
I built my Piet using the British PFA/LAA approved plans from Jim Wills.
They include a fully enclosed leading edge using 1/16th ply.
There are some pictures on my web site (http://www.cpc-world.com). Look at
Page 9 under "Build Log" -> "Building Photographs".
I had some problems bending the ply around the ribs but eventually managed
to soak the ply over a small diameter pipe and used cargo straps to hold it
in place until the glue dries.
I had a ground loop soon after completion of the Piet and the wing hit a 5
inch fence post alongside the runway. The ply leading edge broke a little, I
had to replace one bay, but the fence post sheared out of the ground and was
left hanging on the fencing wires!
The Piet wing with a full ply leading edge is definitely strong!!!
Hope that helps.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pringljo
Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013 11:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leading edge plywood
-->
In looking at these pictures, I looks like most folks have used a solid,
rounded leading edge that runs the whole length of the wing, and then butted
the plywood up to it. However, in the picture Mike Perez posted, it looks
like he just used a rounded rib tip, and wrapped ply around that. How many
others have used that approach? Is this adequate?
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Joe Pringle
Atlanta, GA
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Subject: Fwd: senior discounts
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Sep 12, 2013
For all of you aging builders building vintage pietenpols.
Sent from my iPad
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Susan Mason" <susangmason(at)gmail.com>
> Date: September 11, 2013, 8:32:01 PM EDT
> To: "Gardiner Mason"
> Subject: senior discounts
>
> This is from the PCN newsletter. I=99m not sure how accurate this li
st is, but it=99s worth asking when you go any of these places!=93
S.
>
> As I was waiting in line behind an older gentleman at Wendy's
> recently, I heard him ask for his senior discount. The girl at the
> register apologized and charged him less. When I asked the man what
> the discount was, he told me that seniors over age 55 gets 10% off
> everything on the menu, every day.
>
> Being of 'that' age myself, I figured I might as well ask for the discou
nt too.
>
> This incident prompted me to do some research, and I came across a
> list of restaurants, supermarkets, department stores, travel deals and
> other types of offers giving various discounts with different age
> requirements. I was actually surprised to see how many there are and
> how some of them start at the young age of 50 .
>
> This list may not only be useful for you, but for your friends and famil
y too.
>
> Dunkin Donuts gives free coffee to people over 55 . If you're paying
> for a cup every day, you might want to start getting it for FREE.
>
> YOU must ASK for your discount !
>
> RESTAURANTS:
> Applebee's: 15% off with Golden Apple Card (60+)
> Arby's: 10% off ( 55 +)
> Ben & Jerry's: 10% off (60+)
> Bennigan's: discount varies by location (60+)
> Bob's Big Boy: discount varies by location (60+)
> BostonMarket: 10% off (65+)
> Burger King: 10% off (60+)
> Chick-Fil-A: 10% off or free small drink or coffee ( 55+)
> Chili's: 10% off ( 55+)
> CiCi's Pizza: 10% off (60+)
> Denny's: 10% off, 20% off for AARP members ( 55 +)
> Dunkin' Donuts: 10% off or free coffee ( 55+)
> Einstein's Bagels: 10% off baker's dozen of bagels (60+)
> Fuddrucker's: 10% off any senior platter ( 55+)
> Gatti's Pizza: 10% off (60+)
> Golden Corral: 10% off (60+)
> Hardee's: $0.33 beverages everyday (65+)
> IHOP: 10% off ( 55+)
> Jack in the Box: up to 20% off ( 55+)
> KFC: free small drink with any meal ( 55+)
> Krispy Kreme: 10% off ( 50+)
> Long John Silver's: various discounts at locations ( 55+)
> McDonald's: discounts on coffee everyday ( 55+)
> Mrs. Fields: 10% off at participating locations (60+)
> Shoney's: 10% off Sonic: 10% off or free beverage (60+)
> Steak 'n Shake: 10% off every Monday & Tuesday ( 50+)
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> Sweet Tomatoes: 10% off (62+)
> Taco Bell : 5% off; free beverages for seniors (65+)
> TCBY: 10% off ( 55+)
> Tea Room Cafe: 10% off ( 50+)
> Village Inn: 10% off (60+)
> Waffle House: 10% off every Monday (60+)
> Wendy's: 10% off ( 55 +)
> WhiteCastle: 10% off (62+) This is for me ... if I ever see one again.
>
> RETAIL & APPAREL :
> Banana Republic: 30% off ( 50 +)
> Bealls: 20% off first Tuesday of each month ( 50 +)
> Belk's: 15% off first Tuesday of every month ( 55 +)
> Big Lots: 30% off
> Bon-Ton Department Stores: 15% off on senior discount days ( 55 +)
> C.J. Banks: 10% off every Wednesday (50+)
> Clarks: 10% off (62+)
> Dress Barn: 20% off ( 55+)
> Goodwill: 10% off one day a week (date varies by location)
> Hallmark: 10% off one day a week (date varies by location)
> Kmart: 40% off (Wednesdays only) ( 50+)
> Kohl's: 15% off (60+)
> Modell's Sporting Goods: 30% off
> Rite Aid: 10% off on Tuesdays & 10% off prescriptions
> Ross Stores: 10% off every Tuesday ( 55+)
> The Salvation Army Thrift Stores: up to 50% off ( 55+)
> Stein Mart: 20% off red dot/clearance items first Monday of every month (
55 +)
>
> GROCERY :
> Albertson's: 10% off first Wednesday of each month ( 55 +)
> American Discount Stores: 10% off every Monday ( 50 +)
> Compare Foods Supermarket: 10% off every Wednesday (60+)
> DeCicco Family Markets: 5% off every Wednesday (60+)
> Food Lion: 60% off every Monday (60+)
> Fry's Supermarket: free Fry's VIP Club Membership & 10% off every
> Monday ( 55 +)
> Great Valu Food Store: 5% off every Tuesday (60+)
> Gristedes Supermarket: 10% off every Tuesday (60+)
> Harris Teeter: 5% off every Tuesday (60+)
> Hy-Vee: 5% off one day a week (date varies by location)
> Kroger: 10% off (date varies by location)
> Morton Williams Supermarket: 5% off every Tuesday (60+)
> The Plant Shed: 10% off every Tuesday ( 50 +)
> Publix: 15% off every Wednesday ( 55 +)
> RogersMarketplace: 5% off every Thursday (60+)
> Uncle Guiseppe's Marketplace: 15% off (62+)
>
> TRAVEL :
> Airlines:
> AlaskaAirlines: 50% off (65+) ????
> American Airlines: various discounts for 50% off non-peak periods
> (Tuesdays - Thursdays) (62+)and up (call before booking for discount)
> Continental Airlines: no initiation fee for Continental Presidents
> Club & special fares for select destinations
> Southwest Airlines: various discounts for ages 65 and up (call before
> booking for discount)
> United Airlines: various discounts for ages 65 and up (call before
> booking for discount)
> U.S.Airways: various discounts for ages 65 and up (call before booking
> for discount)
>
> Rail:
> Amtrak: 15% off (62+)
> Bus:
> Greyhound: 15% off (62+)
> Trailways Transportation System: various discounts for ages 50+
>
> Car Rental:
> AlamoCar Rental: up to 25% off for AARP members
> Avis: up to 25% off for AARP members
> Budget Rental Cars: 40% off; up to 50% off for AARP members ( 50+)
> Dollar Rent-A-Car: 10% off ( 50+) Enterprise Rent-A-Car: 5% off for
> AARP members Hertz: up to 25% off for AARP members
> National Rent-A-Car: up to 30% off for AARP members
>
> Overnight Accommodations:
> Holiday Inn: 20-40% off depending on location (62+)
> Best Western: 40% off (55+)
> CambriaSuites: 20%-30% off (60+)
> Waldorf Astoria - NYC $5,000 off nightly rate for Presidential Suite(55 +
)
> Clarion Motels: 20%-30% off (60+)
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> Econo Lodge: 40% off (60+)
> Hampton Inns & Suites: 40% off when booked 72 hours in advance
> Hyatt Hotels: 25%-50% off (62+)
> InterContinental Hotels Group: various discounts at all hotels (65+)
> Mainstay Suites: 10% off with Mature Traveler's Discount (50+);
> 20%-30% off (60+)
> Marriott Hotels: 25% off (62+)
> Motel 6: Stay Free Sunday nights (60+)
> Myrtle BeachResort: 30% off ( 55 +)
> Quality Inn: 40%-50% off (60+)
> Rodeway Inn: 20%-30% off (60+)
> Sleep Inn: 40% off (60+)
>
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> AMC Theaters: up to 30% off ( 55 +)
> Bally Total Fitness: $100 off memberships (62+)
> Busch Gardens Tampa, FL: $13 off one-day tickets ( 50 +)
> Carmike Cinemas: 35% off (65+)
> Cinemark/Century Theaters: up to 35% off
> Massage Envy - NYC 20% off all "Happy Endings"(62 +)
> U.S.National Parks: $10 lifetime pass; 50% off additional services
> including camping (62+)
> Regal Cinemas: 50% off Ripley's Believe it or Not: @ off one-day ticket (
55 +)
> SeaWorld, Orlando , FL : $3 off one-day tickets ( 50 +)
>
> CELL PHONE DISCOUNTS :
> AT&T: Special Senior Nation 200 Plan $19.99/month (65+)
> Jitterbug: $10/month cell phone service ( 50 +)
> Verizon Wireless: Verizon Nationwide 65 Plus Plan $29.99/month (65+).
>
> MISCELLANEOUS:
> Great Clips: $8 off hair cuts (60+)
> Supercuts: $8 off haircuts (60+)
>
> NOW, go out there and claim your discounts - - - - and remember ----
> YOU must ASK for your discount ---- no ask, no discount
>
>
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Subject: Re: leading edge plywood
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 12, 2013
One important distinction is that the leading edge of the Jim Wills wing has a
full wrap of 1/16" ply IN ADDITION to the solid leading edge. I have no doubt
that it would result in a very strong wing. The leading edge variation that
is being discussed is one that uses a full wrap of ply, but does not have the
solid leading edge beneath the plywood. The unknown quality of this variation
will be it's resistance to impact (hangar rash), since a single layer of 1/16"
ply likely will not tolerate much abuse. However, until the method has been
tried, this is all speculation. Photos of Peter's and Michael's leading edges
are attached, for comparison.
Bill C.
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Subject: Re: Some GN-1 progress
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2013
John,
nice work. Your prop hub looks "custom"...Did you make it?
Bob
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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Date: Sep 12, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: leading edge plywood
I encourage anyone to take a piece of 1/16" plywood used for LE purposes an
d secure it in a bend replicating a LE profile and whack it...with whatever
they choose.- This can possibly be done in a vise.- I believe you will
find that it is more than tough enough for the hangar environment.- To b
e as real world accurate as possible, you may choose do this after soaking,
pre-bending, mounting on a few mock ribs...=0A=0AMy method of making said
LE is to soak the plywood and bend it around a small diameter pipe/tube. (I
used about a 1" to 1-1/4" solid rod) Using refference lines and bending it
straight/square, let it dry on the rod.- When it is removed and relaxes,
it will fit nicely on the ribs.- Prior to soaking, you can bend the piec
es in your hands to determine in which orientation they bend the easiest. M
ake note to bend them this way once soaked and ready for bending on the rod
.=0A=0AThese pieces are epoxied directly to the rib noses and ribs. The ply
goes beyond the nose pieces and over the rib cap strips to tie the assembl
y together.- I believe my LE is about 10" wide, so I have 10" worth of ep
oxy, (T-88) on each rib, which equates to roughly 40" per LE panel.=0A=0AHa
ving this modification complete, assembled, covered and painted, I am confi
dent it it's strength and airworthiness.- But as noted many times in this
thread and other LE threads, it is untested and unproven.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIf
God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0A=0A=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HIN
T Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: Re: Some GN-1 progress
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Sep 12, 2013
No, It is a Tennessee prop that came with my project. If it is not the right
pitch I will probably try my hand at making one but that is down the road
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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Subject: Prop for C-90?
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2013
Those of you with a C-90... what prop are you using, what diameter, and what pitch?
My C-90 will be equipped with the -788 camshaft, which supposedly provides the
highest torque to this engine.
Any info will be appreciated.
--------
Tom Kreiner
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From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
Date: Sep 12, 2013
I grew up in MN & some years November would have been kinda late to
put a plane away for the winter.
Kip Gardner
On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
> |>Why would you put an airplane away in November?
>
> I think we would have to spend a winter in Minnesota to understand
> that.
>
> rh
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jack Phillips > wrote:
> Why would you put an airplane away in November?
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
>
>
> The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was
> put away for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual
> condition inspection in April. Always followed the Sensenich
> recommendations of 15-19 ft. lbs. for AN6 bolts.
>
> There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed
> belleville spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are
> attached.
>
>
> It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the
> prop bolts.
>
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> Minneapolis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Rick Holland
>
> To: pietenpol-list
>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:08 PM
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood relaxation
>
>
> Have been reading the FAA flight testing document and it mentions
> that when checking wood prop torque (every hour for the first 5
> hours they say) you should loosen all bolts and let the wood relax
> for an hour then retorque. How many of you guys with wood props do
> it this way?
>
>
> rh
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
> NX6819Z
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
> www.matronics.com/c
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
> NX6819Z
>
>
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Subject: Model A Radiator Needed
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2013
I am looking to buy a NEW never used Forest Lovely radiator for a Model A.
If anyone has a extra one or one they decided not to use please PM me or
call me at 812-932-9000 or 812-689-1254. Thanks. Rob
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Subject: RE: New User..
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2013
Jim, let me add my welcome. This is a great group, both the 'virtual' group
from this list-serve, and those on the list I've met in person. Best of lu
ck with your addiction. I built a Pietenpol over 11 years - it could have b
een a lot less but life intervened. I also got my start flying gliders, and
your experience with them will be a good foundation. Both gliders and Piet
enpols are 'rudder' aircraft. I look forward to hearing of your progress.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
Fairfield, VA
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New User & Potential Addict...
From: "BritishJim" <james(at)pieceofcakepr.com>
Great to meet you all.
My only licensed experience is with gliders - 130 hours back in the UK. I'm
certainly
used to stick and rudder work.
So that's two fun challenges - building the Piet and getting the license!
--------
Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the
ground....
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Date: Sep 12, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RE: New User..
Hello Jim.- I am currently somewhat in the same boat (plane) as you.- I
am currently finishing up my plane build and working on my license.- Wel
come aboard!=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0A=0A
=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakerae
ro.com
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Subject: Need email
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 12, 2013
Anybody know Ernie Moreno's email?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Need email
Date: Sep 12, 2013
here ya go:
ewmoreno(at)minefiber.com
----- Original Message -----
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need email
Anybody know Ernie Moreno's email?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 12, 2013
The "Fun Factor" disappears quickly when the temp drops below 50 F. I stand in
awe of the hardy individuals like Dick Navratil who fly year-round or Don Emch
who puts his Piet on skis.
I flew NX18235 on a 1 hour flight last November to it's winter home. The temp was
42 F. It was a nice flight but I'm glad it wasn't any longer.
Greg Cardinal
[quote="kipandbeth(at)earthlink.n"]I grew up in MN & some years November would
have been kinda late to put a plane away for the winter.
Kip Gardner
On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
[quote]|>Why would you put an airplane away in November?
I think we would have to spend a winter in Minnesota to understand that.
rh
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
[quote]
Why would you put an airplane away in November?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com (pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put away for
the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition inspection in April.
Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of 15-19 ft. lbs. for AN6 bolts.
There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed belleville spring
washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are attached.
It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop bolts.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
>
> ---
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Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 12, 2013
My wife and I once made a one hour flight in 21 degree temp. When we landed she
couldn't speak. Her jaw was frozen. We poured hot tea down her and when she
could speak again her first words were. I'm flying home in Bobs plane. He
has windows and a heater. We were pretty young back then. My new rule is, I
don't go flying unless the temperature is at least as high as I am old. That
would be 52 degrees this year.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Date: Sep 12, 2013
From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Cleveland wheels, brakes, axles and Turf Glides
Cleveland wheels, brakes, axles and Turf Glides available, contact me off line
if interested.
Ryan
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Subject: Re: Prop for C-90?
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2013
You could get a prop from an O-200 powered Cessna 150. It would give you a good
benchmark to start from and they are probably available at a reasonable price.
You could maybe borrow a spare from a flight school or someone who has their
engine out for overhaul. You'd then know which way you wanted to go in terms
of pitch/length at very little outlay of cash.
Dave
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From: "G Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
Subject: End of an era...
Date: Sep 12, 2013
Hello Group,
This is to inform Pietenpol people everywhere that I have decided to
retire my Pietenpol CF-AUN after nearly 43 years of fun flying. It is
being donated to the Reynolds Alberta Museum at Wetaskiwin, Alberta,
Canada. It will be preserved and perhaps some day will be on display.
It has only 862 hours total time which is not very much when spread over
such a long period. Basically, at this latitude we have perhaps 5 months
per year that are reasonably comfortable for open cockpit airplanes; the
other 7 months range from uncomfortable to downright miserable. This,
plus the fact that I have always had other closed-cabin airplanes to
fly, has resulted in the limited air time of my Pietenpol. Nevertheless,
it has been in the family for a long time and I have many fond memories
of my kids riding in it when they were quite small. My dad was always
keen to climb into the front pit and go for a
=9Cfly=9D=94even when he was over 80 years old! My son
(now 51 years old) remembers going to a breakfast fly-in when he was
about 12 and figuring that we had really arrived in high society when we
landed on a paved runway! We have lots of good memories and lots of
photos to activate them.
I have always said that I would never sell my Pietenpol because it is an
old friend and it is one of the most satisfying things I have done
during a long life (I=99m in my 85th year). I still have a
=9CWag-A-Bond=9D to fly and, while it doesn=99t have
much of a cabin heater, it is still more comfortable than the Pietenpol
when the weather turns cool.
I flew it for the last time on Friday September 6, 2013 for 35 minutes.
It was a beautiful autumn evening, the air was smooth and we (the
Pietenpol and I) had a lovely flight. Another great memory...
Hopefully all you Pietenpol owners and builders out there will enjoy
your airplanes as much and for as long as I have enjoyed mine.
Graham Hansen Camrose, Alberta, Canada
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Orth" <mosurf(at)xplornet.com>
Subject: Re: End of an era...
Date: Sep 12, 2013
Graham,
What a beautiful thing to say.
>I have always said that I would never sell my Pietenpol because it is
an old friend and it is one of the most satisfying things I have done
during a long life (I=99m in my 85th year).
Michael
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From: G Hansen
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: End of an era...
Hello Group,
This is to inform Pietenpol people everywhere that I have decided to
retire my Pietenpol CF-AUN after nearly 43 years of fun flying. It is
being donated to the Reynolds Alberta Museum at Wetaskiwin, Alberta,
Canada. It will be preserved and perhaps some day will be on display.
It has only 862 hours total time which is not very much when spread over
such a long period. Basically, at this latitude we have perhaps 5 months
per year that are reasonably comfortable for open cockpit airplanes; the
other 7 months range from uncomfortable to downright miserable. This,
plus the fact that I have always had other closed-cabin airplanes to
fly, has resulted in the limited air time of my Pietenpol. Nevertheless,
it has been in the family for a long time and I have many fond memories
of my kids riding in it when they were quite small. My dad was always
keen to climb into the front pit and go for a
=9Cfly=9D=94even when he was over 80 years old! My son
(now 51 years old) remembers going to a breakfast fly-in when he was
about 12 and figuring that we had really arrived in high society when we
landed on a paved runway! We have lots of good memories and lots of
photos to activate them.
I have always said that I would never sell my Pietenpol because it is an
old friend and it is one of the most satisfying things I have done
during a long life (I=99m in my 85th year). I still have a
=9CWag-A-Bond=9D to fly and, while it doesn=99t have
much of a cabin heater, it is still more comfortable than the Pietenpol
when the weather turns cool.
I flew it for the last time on Friday September 6, 2013 for 35 minutes.
It was a beautiful autumn evening, the air was smooth and we (the
Pietenpol and I) had a lovely flight. Another great memory...
Hopefully all you Pietenpol owners and builders out there will enjoy
your airplanes as much and for as long as I have enjoyed mine.
Graham Hansen Camrose, Alberta, Canada
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
09/12/13
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
Date: Sep 12, 2013
Let me rephrase the question: "Why would anyone live in a place where you
can't fly all year?"
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Cardinal
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood relaxation
The "Fun Factor" disappears quickly when the temp drops below 50 F. I stand
in awe of the hardy individuals like Dick Navratil who fly year-round or Don
Emch who puts his Piet on skis.
I flew NX18235 on a 1 hour flight last November to it's winter home. The
temp was 42 F. It was a nice flight but I'm glad it wasn't any longer.
Greg Cardinal
[quote="kipandbeth(at)earthlink.n"]I grew up in MN & some years November
would have been kinda late to put a plane away for the winter.
Kip Gardner
On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
[quote]|>Why would you put an airplane away in November?
I think we would have to spend a winter in Minnesota to understand that.
rh
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
[quote]
Why would you put an airplane away in November?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
(owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com)
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
(owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com (pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put away
for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition inspection in
April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of 15-19 ft. lbs. for
AN6 bolts.
There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed belleville
spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are attached.
It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop
bolts.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
>
> ---
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408522#408522
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: End of an era...
Date: Sep 12, 2013
Beautiful, Graham. Thanks for posting.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of G Hansen
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: End of an era...
Hello Group,
This is to inform Pietenpol people everywhere that I have decided to retire
my Pietenpol CF-AUN after nearly 43 years of fun flying. It is being donated
to the Reynolds Alberta Museum at Wetaskiwin, Alberta, Canada. It will be
preserved and perhaps some day will be on display.
It has only 862 hours total time which is not very much when spread over
such a long period. Basically, at this latitude we have perhaps 5 months per
year that are reasonably comfortable for open cockpit airplanes; the other 7
months range from uncomfortable to downright miserable. This, plus the fact
that I have always had other closed-cabin airplanes to fly, has resulted in
the limited air time of my Pietenpol. Nevertheless, it has been in the
family for a long time and I have many fond memories of my kids riding in it
when they were quite small. My dad was always keen to climb into the front
pit and go for a "fly"-even when he was over 80 years old! My son (now 51
years old) remembers going to a breakfast fly-in when he was about 12 and
figuring that we had really arrived in high society when we landed on a
paved runway! We have lots of good memories and lots of photos to activate
them.
I have always said that I would never sell my Pietenpol because it is an old
friend and it is one of the most satisfying things I have done during a long
life (I'm in my 85th year). I still have a "Wag-A-Bond" to fly and, while it
doesn't have much of a cabin heater, it is still more comfortable than the
Pietenpol when the weather turns cool.
I flew it for the last time on Friday September 6, 2013 for 35 minutes. It
was a beautiful autumn evening, the air was smooth and we (the Pietenpol and
I) had a lovely flight. Another great memory...
Hopefully all you Pietenpol owners and builders out there will enjoy your
airplanes as much and for as long as I have enjoyed mine.
Graham Hansen Camrose, Alberta, Canada
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
Date: Sep 12, 2013
Why fly in winter? You have to try it to answer that question. The air is
very amooth and the ice on lakes gives you lots of emergency landing strips.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood relaxation
>
>
> The "Fun Factor" disappears quickly when the temp drops below 50 F. I
> stand in awe of the hardy individuals like Dick Navratil who fly
> year-round or Don Emch who puts his Piet on skis.
> I flew NX18235 on a 1 hour flight last November to it's winter home. The
> temp was 42 F. It was a nice flight but I'm glad it wasn't any longer.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> [quote="kipandbeth(at)earthlink.n"]I grew up in MN & some years November
> would have been kinda late to put a plane away for the winter.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Rick Holland wrote:
> [quote]|>Why would you put an airplane away in November?
>
> I think we would have to spend a winter in Minnesota to understand that.
>
>
> rh
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> [quote]
> Why would you put an airplane away in November?
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> (owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> (owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:52 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com (pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com)
> Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
>
>
> The prop bolts on NX18235 would be loosened in November when it was put
> away for the winter and then re-torqued during the annual condition
> inspection in April. Always followed the Sensenich recommendations of
> 15-19 ft. lbs. for AN6 bolts.
>
> There was never a problem with it but last winter we installed belleville
> spring washers per Marc Zeitlin's instructions that are attached.
>
>
> It has been working great and I don't need to keep re-torquing the prop
> bolts.
>
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> Minneapolis
>
>>
>> ---
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408522#408522
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: End of an era...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2013
Now THAT is inspiration.
Thank you .....!!!!!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408542#408542
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: End of an era...
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 13, 2013
Well said Sir, thank you!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Sep 12, 2013, at 7:15 PM, "G Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net> wrote:
> Hello Group,
>
> This is to inform Pietenpol people everywhere that I have decided to retir
e my Pietenpol CF-AUN after nearly 43 years of fun flying. It is being donat
ed to the Reynolds Alberta Museum at Wetaskiwin, Alberta, Canada. It will be
preserved and perhaps some day will be on display.
>
> It has only 862 hours total time which is not very much when spread over s
uch a long period. Basically, at this latitude we have perhaps 5 months per y
ear that are reasonably comfortable for open cockpit airplanes; the other 7 m
onths range from uncomfortable to downright miserable. This, plus the fact t
hat I have always had other closed-cabin airplanes to fly, has resulted in t
he limited air time of my Pietenpol. Nevertheless, it has been in the family
for a long time and I have many fond memories of my kids riding in it when t
hey were quite small. My dad was always keen to climb into the front pit and
go for a =9Cfly=9D=94even when he was over 80 years old! M
y son (now 51 years old) remembers going to a breakfast fly-in when he was a
bout 12 and figuring that we had really arrived in high society when we land
ed on a paved runway! We have lots of good memories and lots of photos to ac
tivate them.
>
> I have always said that I would never sell my Pietenpol because it is an o
ld friend and it is one of the most satisfying things I have done during a l
ong life (I=99m in my 85th year). I still have a =9CWag-A-Bond
=9D to fly and, while it doesn=99t have much of a cabin heater, it i
s still more comfortable than the Pietenpol when the weather turns cool.
>
> I flew it for the last time on Friday September 6, 2013 for 35 minutes. It
was a beautiful autumn evening, the air was smooth and we (the Pietenpol an
d I) had a lovely flight. Another great memory...
>
> Hopefully all you Pietenpol owners and builders out there will enjoy your a
irplanes as much and for as long as I have enjoyed mine.
>
> Graham Hansen Camrose, Alberta, Canada
>
>
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>
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Subject: Re: Prop for C-90?
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 13, 2013
Call Cloudcar Props. He is very good at what he does. Others on the list fly
his prop and have nothing but good to say about them.. He is good at matching
up the Plane, engine and prop for best performance.
Someone on the list should have his number.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408552#408552
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: C-90 prop
Date: Sep 13, 2013
Hey Tom,
I've been flying RE-PIET with a C-90 for about a year now. Mine is a
modified 0-200 and is nice and fresh, so probably comparable to yours.
The C-90 makes a fantastic engine for Piet because it produces it's torque
at relatively low speeds allowing one to swing the long props that draggy
airframes like best. It is the most popular engine in the UK where their
planes weigh a bit more and they predominantly use all variants of the
Continental. Do NOT use an 0-200 prop.
I wanted to my prop to be "as long as possible, as long as possible" and
therefore started with the dimensions a Ford swings, which is 76X42 or
44(ish)
I got a list of all the engine/prop combos in the UK and found very little
commonality (plus some very odd measurements). I then spent some time on
the phone with Jay at Cloud Car Props and we decided he'd make me up a 76"
long prop which he THOUGHT the engine would spin up. He said if it didn't,
to simply return it and he'd shorten it until it was just right. No need to
return it, it spins up just great and performs well. It is a Cloud Car 76"
diameter, but I can't remember the pitch (maybe 42??). I'm sure he has it
in his records if you'd care to contact him at cloudcards(at)verizon.net
I'd suggest you get a prop from him, as he's done this before. Tell him you
want to know what he made for Douwe Blumberg's Pietenpol.
The prop he made keeps the engine exactly within it's factory recommended
rpm range and being nice and long really does a good job flying the plane
(at least I like it).
Douwe
Feel free to contact me offline or call if you want any more info.
805 573 3564 (KY)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Chuck Campbell <cncampbell(at)outlook.com>
Subject: Re: Wood relaxation
Date: Sep 13, 2013
If I esblished that criterior=2C I would rarely get to fly -- there are a f
ew days every year when the temp gets that high -- but not very many. Chuc
k
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood relaxation
> From: Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org
> Date: Thu=2C 12 Sep 2013 14:02:44 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
ity.org>
>
> My wife and I once made a one hour flight in 21 degree temp. When we lan
ded she couldn't speak. Her jaw was frozen. We poured hot tea down her an
d when she could speak again her first words were. I'm flying home in Bobs
plane. He has windows and a heater. We were pretty young back then. My
new rule is=2C I don't go flying unless the temperature is at least as high
as I am old. That would be 52 degrees this year.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408523#408523
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: End of an era...
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 13, 2013
Whenever I see that a post on this forum is from Graham Hansen, I know that it
will be something worth reading. This post is no exception.
Graham, I hope that you will continue to contribute to the discussions after you
let your old friend go to stay at the museum.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408561#408561
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Subject: Re: End of an era...
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 13, 2013
Thank you Graham for contributing so much to the Pietenpol lore for all those years!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408564#408564
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Routing the tail pieces - table saw modified to router
table
From: "Minerjoe" <j-s-mine(at)bendigo.net.au>
Date: Sep 14, 2013
Nice, how heavy does your tailplane weigh? :D
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408571#408571
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: End of an era...
Graham,
Thanks for the gr eat message; I hope to enjoy my PIet as much.
Cheers,
Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2013
Subject: Re: Need email
From: macz(at)peak.org
Dan--
Ernie is at ewmoreno(at)minetfiber.com
--Mac in Oregon
>
> Anybody know Ernie Moreno's email?
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2013
Subject: Re: Routing the tail pieces - table saw modified
to router table
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
FYI, my uncovered tail components eneded up:
Fin - 2 1/4
Rudder - 3
Flippers - 2 1/3 each
Stab - 6 1/2
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Minerjoe wrote:
>
> Nice, how heavy does your tailplane weigh? :D
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408571#408571
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: tailplane weights...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2013
Hello good Piet-ple...
While my tail parts are not fully completed (a few small plywood pad-ups to go),
I was asked to post the weights. So here we go....
Horiz stab. 5lb, 10.6oz
Right elev. 2lb, 0.8oz
Left elev. 1lb, 10.8oz
Rudder. 1lb, 15.2oz
Vert stab. 1lb, 2.4oz
Not sure why the L&R elevators are so different...? I did not build these parts
but have fine tuned them and routered/rounded the edges. Next I will use a jig
I just completed to rout the pockets for Vi Kap aluminum hinges.....
Had a very relaxing/productive day in the shop.....
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408605#408605
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 15, 2013
Subject: Graham Hansen's retired Piet
From: Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com>
Graham,
I found your note about placing in a museum your Pietenpol, your old friend
of so many flights and adventures, both so fitting and very touching. It
reminded me of my own love and memories of beloved old dogs and other
departed family long gone to rest.
Thanks for sharing.
Tim in central Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tailplane weights...
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2013
Jake; the difference in weight between your left and right elevators is probably
due to the trim tab, bellcrank, and electric trim actuator servo on one of them.
You do have electric pitch trim on your airplane, coupled to the altitude
hold autopilot, right? (Just kidding)
With that weight difference, it would almost make you wonder if the same wood species
was used for the two pieces or something.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408628#408628
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tailplane weights...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2013
Yep, must be the satcom antenna that makes one side heavy....?!? I'm guessing
it is the wood density as well somehow. It's all a mystery as the left and right
rudders both weigh the same.... :-)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408632#408632
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 15, 2013
Subject: Re: tailplane weights...
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
For another data point (or points). Here are the weights of my tail parts.
These are covered and painted. I used Stewart Systems with the
lightweight (uncertified) ceconite, Stewart primer and Benjamin Moore's
Advance for color using the techniques in Malcolm Morrison's slides
(thanks, Malcolm). Control horns and hinges are installed and included in
these measurements:
Vert. Stab 2 lbs 2.2 oz.
Rudder 4 lbs 0.4 oz.
Hor. Stab 7 lbs 10.6 oz.
Elev. 3 lbs 10.6 oz.
Elev. 3 lbs 9.8 oz.
Here are some other weights:
Aileron 5 lbs 11.8 oz. (includes horn, but excludes piano hinge and
hardware)
Aileron 5 lbs 6.2 oz. (includes horn, but excludes piano hinge and hardware)
Flop section 4 lbs 13.8 oz.
Jury struts (vertical pieces are 3/4" thin wall Chromoly round tube with
balsa to streamline, covered with fabric; horizontal pieces are 3/4" thin
wall Chromoly with crimped ends) 1 lb. 12.1 oz, each side.
I haven't yet weighed the center section (which includes an 11 gallon fuel
tank), the diagonal struts (like the jury struts, streamlined with balsa
and covered with fabric), or the wings, which are now covered and painted.
I'll try to weigh those soon.
Cheers, Ken
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 11:44 PM, aerocarjake wrote:
> >
>
> Hello good Piet-ple...
>
> While my tail parts are not fully completed (a few small plywood pad-ups
> to go), I was asked to post the weights. So here we go....
>
> Horiz stab. 5lb, 10.6oz
> Right elev. 2lb, 0.8oz
> Left elev. 1lb, 10.8oz
> Rudder. 1lb, 15.2oz
> Vert stab. 1lb, 2.4oz
>
> Not sure why the L&R elevators are so different...? I did not build these
> parts but have fine tuned them and routered/rounded the edges. Next I will
> use a jig I just completed to rout the pockets for Vi Kap aluminum
> hinges.....
>
> Had a very relaxing/productive day in the shop.....
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408605#408605
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 15, 2013
Subject: Re: tailplane weights...
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
... left and right rudders? B-24? Ercoupe?
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM, aerocarjake wrote:
> >
>
> Yep, must be the satcom antenna that makes one side heavy....?!? I'm
> guessing it is the wood density as well somehow. It's all a mystery as
> the left and right rudders both weigh the same.... :-)
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408632#408632
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sep 15, 2013
Subject: Re: tailplane weights...
UNCLASSIFIED
Mud Dauber nests?
On 09/15/13, taildrags wrote:
>
> Jake; the difference in weight between your left and right elevators is probably
due to the trim tab, bellcrank, and electric trim actuator servo on one of
them. You do have electric pitch trim on your airplane, coupled to the altitude
hold autopilot, right? (Just kidding)
>
> With that weight difference, it would almost make you wonder if the same wood
species was used for the two pieces or something.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408628#408628
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
UNCLASSIFIED
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tailplane weights...
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 15, 2013
Here's a head scratcher. When weighing my plane NX929DH right before inspec
tion for flight, left wheel weighed 358 lbs. while the right weighed 339 lb
s. That's quite a difference I would say. What's on that side that is so he
avy? Subtleties in the Ford? At the time I had the side-driven mag on that
side, but that doesn't account for all that weight.Never really figured it
out.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 15, 2013 4:34 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailplane weights...
... left and right rudders? B-24? Ercoupe?
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM, aerocarjake wrote:
Yep, must be the satcom antenna that makes one side heavy....?!? I'm guess
ing it is the wood density as well somehow. It's all a mystery as the lef
t and right rudders both weigh the same.... :-)
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Subject: Re: tailplane weights...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2013
It's a left rudder when I press on the left pedal and it's a right rudder when
I press on the right pedal (ha!). Routing the hinges...
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sep 15, 2013
Subject: coaming and sharp edges
UNCLASSIFIED
As a friend was looking over my bird he made the following observations. "There
sure are a lot of sharp edged with the aluminum. What happens if you crash?"
Granted he is a nervious nellie who is scared to eat at mom and pop mexican cafes
and will not go point into a windowless bar. BUT does he have a point. As I
am putting this back togather, I know that I will cover the edges with foam and
real simulated leatherette. But the sharp edges could cut straight through
that if I planted my face against it at, Oh lets say 50 MPH!
I have since thought of adding some small hard plastic trim to it. Any other thoughts?
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
UNCLASSIFIED
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From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: coaming and sharp edges
Date: Sep 15, 2013
1/4" hard translucent tubing splt. Another split tube over
that of thick hard rubber then your foam and cover.
Clif
> UNCLASSIFIED
> As a friend was looking over my bird he made the following observations.
> "There sure are a lot of sharp edged with the aluminum. What happens if
> you crash?"
I know that I will cover the edges with foam and real simulated
leatherette. But the sharp edges could cut straight through that if I
planted my face against it at, Oh lets say 50 MPH!
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
> UNCLASSIFIED
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Subject: Re: coaming and sharp edges
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 16, 2013
Here are some ideas to address that. Actually that part of it came from adv
ice from Jack Phillips.
http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/leather-coaming-padding/4541602921
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Sent: Mon, Sep 16, 2013 1:45 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coaming and sharp edges
1/4" hard translucent tubing splt. Another split tube over
that of thick hard rubber then your foam and cover.
Clif
> UNCLASSIFIED
> As a friend was looking over my bird he made the following observations.
> "There sure are a lot of sharp edged with the aluminum. What happens if
> you crash?"
I know that I will cover the edges with foam and real simulated
leatherette. But the sharp edges could cut straight through that if I
planted my face against it at, Oh lets say 50 MPH!
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
> UNCLASSIFIED
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From: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: coaming and sharp edges
Date: Sep 16, 2013
The smallest garden hose fits inside the hot water pipe insulation. That is
what is used on my Grega and what I plan to use on my Piet.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
> To:
> Date: 9/16/2013 12:23:15 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: coaming and sharp edges
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> UNCLASSIFIED
> As a friend was looking over my bird he made the following observations.
"There sure are a lot of sharp edged with the aluminum. What happens if you
crash?"
>
> Granted he is a nervious nellie who is scared to eat at mom and pop
mexican cafes and will not go point into a windowless bar. BUT does he have
a point. As I am putting this back togather, I know that I will cover the
edges with foam and real simulated leatherette. But the sharp edges could
cut straight through that if I planted my face against it at, Oh lets say
50 MPH!
>
> I have since thought of adding some small hard plastic trim to it. Any
other thoughts?
>
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D.
> UNCLASSIFIED
>
>
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Date: Sep 17, 2013
From: Rod Wooller <rmwo(at)clear.net.nz>
Subject: Re: coaming and sharp edges
This was my overkill solution. Got a length of clear plastic tube about 3/8"
OD and split it lengthwise, filled it with silicon and stuck it over the
coaming edges. Then I added some of that foam rubber split hose plumbers use
to insulate copper hot water pipes. On top went the leatherette held on with
leather lacing. Seemed to work OK.
Rod ZK-PAC
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Date: Sep 16, 2013
Subject: Re: coaming and sharp edges
From: John Woods <johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au>
Hey Rod, how is your Piet performing?
Haven't heard from you in quite awhile.
Any photos or videos would be great to see and hear.
Are you happy with the Corvair?
John Woods
Western Australia
On 16 Sep 2013 20:29, "Rod Wooller" wrote:
> This was my overkill solution. Got a length of clear plastic tube about
> 3/8=94 OD and split it lengthwise, filled it with silicon and stuck it ov
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> the coaming edges. Then I added some of that foam rubber split hose
> plumbers use to insulate copper hot water pipes. On top went the
> leatherette held on with leather lacing. Seemed to work OK.****
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Subject: Re: coaming and sharp edges
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2013
>I have since thought of adding some small hard plastic trim to it.
>Any other thoughts?
Don't crash.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: Re: tailplane weights...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2013
BTW, all those weights are the basic wood only - no hinges or control horns added
yet........
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Date: Sep 16, 2013
Subject: Re: coaming and sharp edges
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
And use a shoulder harness.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:08 AM, taildrags wrote:
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> >I have since thought of adding some small hard plastic trim to it.
> >Any other thoughts?
>
> Don't crash.
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sep 16, 2013
Subject: Re: coaming and sharp edges
UNCLASSIFIED
I will move that forward in my order of options. So it is now ahead of "be tough!"
Steve D
On 09/16/13, taildrags wrote:
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> >I have since thought of adding some small hard plastic trim to it.
> >Any other thoughts?
>
> Don't crash.
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sep 16, 2013
Subject: Re: tailplane weights...
UNCLASSIFIED
Dan, I hope that this does not offend as being too basic. I am sure that you know
these things. Remember, we are talking 19 pounds, a few pounds here and a
few pounds there and it all adds up. Here is the basic info that I learnt from
weighing my Vtail Bonanza:
There will be some difference, Throttle, and swich on left with steps and a map
case all on the left. Did you leave your Liquor bottle beside the seat on the
left?
Make sure the plane is really empty. A 3 pound coat laying on a wingtip can be
drastic.
Oil can be empty or at correct level. Just note which ever it is. Empty fuel is
best.
Ensure you are on a level surface. Seriously, use a level to check. a few degrees
can add up. Then make sure the plane is level, any lean is bad.
Callibrate and zero the scales and check them against each other. (Swap sides)
Hangar door should be closed. You can't have any wind. Even that light cooling
flow blowing over the walls from the neighbors hangar may push down on the tip
of one wing and lift on the other side.
Make sure nothing is touching the scales but the floor and the tire. Even a rock
under one edge of the scale can throw it off. your hambfisted hands can add
10 pounds without trying.
Dan, Just relating my experience with weighing my "real" plane.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On 09/15/13, danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote:
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> Here's a head scratcher. When weighing my plane NX929DH right before inspection
for flight, left wheel weighed 358 lbs. while the right weighed 339 lbs. That's
quite a difference I would say. What's on that side that is so heavy? Subtleties
in the Ford? At the time I had the side-driven mag on that side, but that
doesn't account for all that weight. Never really figured it out.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Sun, Sep 15, 2013 4:34 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailplane weights...
>
> ... left and right rudders? B-24? Ercoupe?
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>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM, aerocarjake wrote:
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> >
> > Yep, must be the satcom antenna that makes one side heavy....?!? I'm guessing
it is the wood density as well somehow. It's all a mystery as the left and
right rudders both weigh the same.... :-)
> >
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Subject: Re: coaming and sharp edges
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2013
Steve;
Seriously, it's good that you're thinking about these things. When Scout went
over on its back in the landing gear collapse, Charlie's forehead impacted the
instrument panel upon impact. This buried the ignition key in his forehead,
or tried to. The key broke off, so I guess Charlie's head was harder than the
key, but it left his face a bruised mess for a couple of weeks and the cut dripped
blood on the underside of the centersection when the plane came to rest
inverted.
Just something else to think about... protrusions from the panel.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Dan's offbalance Piet
Date: Sep 17, 2013
That's it! He left the liquor bottle by the on the left side.
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Subject: Re: Dan's offbalance Piet
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 17, 2013
Dan,
My plane has the very same issue. It seems like it would be a problem but I only
notice the heavy left wheel weight when I have it on the scales. I thought
the problem would go away when I rebuilt the plane. But it didn't. In fact the
weight difference never changed. I was thinking it had something to due with
more paint on one wing than on the other. Or perhaps that lost whiskey bottle.
Nope. None of the above. I can only guess that the wing spars don't all
weight the same. I quit worrying about it, and the plane never complains about
it either.
Hey Gary, Maybe this is why one of your wings was lower than the other one at
Los Banos? Opps, Did I just type that??? Sorry.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: Re: Dan's offbalance Piet
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 17, 2013
Heavy spar...makes sense.
Wun Wing Lo
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 17, 2013, at 8:03 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:
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> Dan,
>
> My plane has the very same issue. It seems like it would be a problem but I
only notice the heavy left wheel weight when I have it on the scales. I thought
the problem would go away when I rebuilt the plane. But it didn't. In fact
the weight difference never changed. I was thinking it had something to due
with more paint on one wing than on the other. Or perhaps that lost whiskey bottle.
Nope. None of the above. I can only guess that the wing spars don't
all weight the same. I quit worrying about it, and the plane never complains
about it either.
>
> Hey Gary, Maybe this is why one of your wings was lower than the other one at
Los Banos? Opps, Did I just type that??? Sorry.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408739#408739
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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Sep 17, 2013
Subject: change of emails
UNCLASSIFIED
OK, It is time. The Army has changed my email and I am going to jump ship. How
do I unsubscribe with this email and resubscribe with my new email?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Date: Sep 17, 2013
Subject: Re: Dan's offbalance Piet
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Same with mine, about a 4 pound difference. May have been a slight lean
while weighing, I know the fuselage was horizontal but did not check for
wings horizontal.
rick
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 9:03 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:
> Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
>
> Dan,
>
> My plane has the very same issue. It seems like it would be a problem but
> I only notice the heavy left wheel weight when I have it on the scales. I
> thought the problem would go away when I rebuilt the plane. But it didn't.
> In fact the weight difference never changed. I was thinking it had
> something to due with more paint on one wing than on the other. Or perhaps
> that lost whiskey bottle. Nope. None of the above. I can only guess that
> the wing spars don't all weight the same. I quit worrying about it, and
> the plane never complains about it either.
>
> Hey Gary, Maybe this is why one of your wings was lower than the other
> one at Los Banos? Opps, Did I just type that??? Sorry.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408739#408739
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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From: "David" <david(at)tynerroberts.com>
Subject: First Post
Date: Sep 17, 2013
Hi All,
I am new to the list and just want to say Hi!
I received my plans from Andrew yesterday and am getting as much info as
possible.
One thing I did notice was that the balance info on the plans indicates one
side is heavier than the other. I don't recall which side and by how much,
but I thought it interesting in light of the thread on this topic.
Anyway, enough for now.
Kind Regards,
Dave Thursby
(Simi Valley, CA)
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Date: Sep 17, 2013
Subject: Re: First Post
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Welcome Dave, and the fact that you noticed the weight difference in the
documents means that you are more observant than me and many on this forum,
which means if you get all four of the Bingelis books and study them the
same way you will do fine building your Pietenpol.
Rick H
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:14 PM, David wrote:
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> One thing I did notice was that the balance info on the plans indicates
> one side is heavier than the other. I don=92t recall which side and by ho
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From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: First Post
Date: Sep 17, 2013
Welcome, David! As Rick Holland has already said, buy the Bingelis books
and many of your questions will be answered (even ones you didn't think of
yet). You'll find this group to be friendly and informative, in general.
Keep us posted on your progress.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Post
Hi All,
I am new to the list and just want to say Hi!
I received my plans from Andrew yesterday and am getting as much info as
possible.
One thing I did notice was that the balance info on the plans indicates one
side is heavier than the other. I don't recall which side and by how much,
but I thought it interesting in light of the thread on this topic.
Anyway, enough for now.