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Kind Regards, Dave Thursby (Simi Valley, CA) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 17, 2013
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Subject: Re: change of emails
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From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: First Post
Date: Sep 17, 2013
Awesome! Another California Pietenpol builder. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:15 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Post Hi All, I am new to the list and just want to say Hi! I received my plans from Andrew yesterday and am getting as much info as possible. One thing I did notice was that the balance info on the plans indicates one side is heavier than the other. I don't recall which side and by how much, but I thought it interesting in light of the thread on this topic. Anyway, enough for now. Kind Regards, Dave Thursby (Simi Valley, CA) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: unequal weights
Date: Sep 18, 2013
I've also noticed my plane weighs unequally fore and aft. the tail is heavier than the nose ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: coaming and sharp edges
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2013
At a high velocity impact any hard object (your head) impacting a very narrow edge with very low surface area will make that edge cut through plastic , rubber or any soft material. The best thing to do is to gave that edge more surface area like hemming it (folding it back on itself) or cover the edge with an small diameter aluminum tube to increase the surface area. A material it will not cut through. This will allow the material in back of the edge to act as a crumble zone an absorb the energy. The padding over it will help too. Best to sit in your plane belted in and see were the danger areas are by moving your body as if your were in a crash. Then you will have a good idea of what areas your head and body may contact thus adding some protection there. Just my thoughts ~ WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408780#408780 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: round tube wing struts
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2013
Hello folks, to vary a question about the subject. I am going to use round tubes for the wing struts, of course I search and read everything I can, the replace option for the streaming ones used in the Piet are round tube with OD = 1 3/4" and 1.2 mm wall thikness (I do not remember where I found this). now the question is other, I was looking the photo attached here and I plan to do something like that, but something is not very clear, as I see in the strut is an .. aluminium? block, and a bolt holding it.. just one bolt?. .. of what diameter? A4 or A5?... the other question is how long is the inside piece? is this piece threaded?.. and the diameter of the D2 bolt ? (i do not know how to name it).. Thank you in advance -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408783#408783 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lower_strut_fork_end_002_108_693.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: First Post
Date: Sep 18, 2013
Dave=2C There is a nice group of west coast Piet folks=2C most current builders=2C a great support group. There is an annual gathering and fly in at Frazier lake air park the first saturday in June each year. a great place to get in formation and fellowship. Welcome to the group=2C looking forward to your participation. Vic Tulare Ca NX414MV From: catdesigns(at)att.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Post Date: Tue=2C 17 Sep 2013 22:38:16 -0700 Awesome! Another California Pietenpol builder. Chris Sacramento=2C Ca Westcoastpiet.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday=2C September 17=2C 2013 11:15 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Post Hi All=2C I am new to the list and just want to say Hi! I received my plans from Andrew yesterday and am getting as much info as po ssible. One thing I did notice was that the balance info on the plans indicates one side is heavier than the other. I don=92t recall which side and by how muc h=2C but I thought it interesting in light of the thread on this topic. Anyway=2C enough for now. Kind Regards=2C Dave Thursby (Simi Valley=2C CA) href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Post
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 18, 2013
Welcome Dave, I have a piet in Lancaster and there are a few others near by. You are welcome to come up and see mine anytime you wish. There is a lot of knowledge within this group. My wife grew up in Simi and went to Royal High. In fact she is going down today to visit with her mother. Welcome aboard and enjoy the flight, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408785#408785 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2013
Mario, I hope this helps. You might have to fix the links if they were broken onto multiple lines. I beleive what you are looking at is from Don Helsper. D2 is a J-3 cub WING STRUT ADJUSTMENT FORK FAA/PMA'd. J-3 & PA-11. Replacement for 13770-00. Includes bolt, nut, cotter pin & jam nut. Measures 5/16" bolt hole. Measures 7/16" x 20 thread NF3. It can be seen here http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/strutadjfbsets1.php?clickkey=394462 The insert in the aluminum strut is a part from McMaster carr. It is either 7075 or 6061 aluminum stock that is flat on each side This next paragraph is a post on this forum from dan Helsper and explains the insert. quote... Larry Williams has been flying his airplane with the aluminum Skytech struts for years now. These are the same ones I put on my airplane. Advantage is less weight. If you don't want to attempt welding these (which I didn't) you have to insert and attach the end fittings with AN bolts. I used 7075 aluminum rectangular bar stock for the end fittings McMaster Carr Supply # 9055K13 $48.38 for 3 lineal feet. Worked great. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408786#408786 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: a neat idea from John Egan
Date: Sep 18, 2013
I had the pleasure of catching up with Pietenpol builder John Egan during t he Piet fly-in at Brodhead and he's not only making good progress in his shop but passing along good ideas like thi s one by submitting them to Sport Aviation where this one appeared in the August, 2013 issue. My Uncle Tony Bingeli s would be proud John........ Mike C. in Ohio [cid:image001.png(at)01CEB473.56F88790] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Post
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2013
Vic- For the West Coast fly-in, the first Saturday in June 2014 is the 7th. Is that the correct date for Frazier Lake? I want to make it next year for sure. It's about 430 miles for me and Scout... a long day, probably 3 intermediate fuel stops and 4 hops that I'll make on Friday the 6th so as to have the full day there on Saturday. If I get hung up in weather, I may need to make it part-way on Friday and then arrive sometime mid-morning on Saturday. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408793#408793 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 18, 2013
Mario, I assume you are talking about using chro-moly steel (4130) round tube, and not aluminum tube. The streamline tubing in the photo is an extruded aluminum shape. It is not recommended to weld aluminum that is to be used as a structural member, as it can significantly weaken the metal in the weld zone. That is the reason why there is an aluminum block inside, secured with bolts. When using steel, you have the advantage of being able to weld without compromising the strength of the tube. For the inner threaded part, you can purchase wing strut barrels http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/strutadjfbsets3.php?clickkey=3621 (Aircraft Spruce part no 05-05900), which can be welded into the ends of your steel tube struts. One point to consider, when using round tubes for your struts is that they will create a lot of drag. Round struts really are not aerodynamically "clean". You should give serious thought about adding some kind of fairings to streamline the tubes. Hope that helps. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408807#408807 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2013
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
Bill, thank you for your response, I know about the drag, so I am going to do this http://vgmk1.blogspot.com/search?q=aerodinamisacion and of course, steel tube, I do not know what by the moment, I do not want to repeat things about availability of anything here. anything in its moment. Thank you very much, regards. Mario Giacummo 2013/9/18 Bill Church > billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> > > Mario, > I assume you are talking about using chro-moly steel (4130) round tube, > and not aluminum tube. The streamline tubing in the photo is an extruded > aluminum shape. It is not recommended to weld aluminum that is to be used > as a structural member, as it can significantly weaken the metal in the > weld zone. That is the reason why there is an aluminum block inside, > secured with bolts. When using steel, you have the advantage of being able > to weld without compromising the strength of the tube. For the inner > threaded part, you can purchase wing strut barrels > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/strutadjfbsets3.php?clickkey=3621 > (Aircraft Spruce part no 05-05900), which can be welded into the ends of > your steel tube struts. > One point to consider, when using round tubes for your struts is that they > will create a lot of drag. Round struts really are not aerodynamically > "clean". You should give serious thought about adding some kind of > fairings to streamline the tubes. > Hope that helps. > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408807#408807 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Engine to replace Corvair
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2013
My new engine showed up today to replace the Corvair I was originally going to install. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408819#408819 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_1135018178_353.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2013
That should help your CG problem! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Sep 18, 2013, at 7:39 PM, "John Francis" wrote: > > My new engine showed up today to replace the Corvair I was originally going to install. > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408819#408819 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_1135018178_353.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David" <david(at)tynerroberts.com>
Subject: Re: First Post
Date: Sep 18, 2013
Thanks everyone for the kind welcome. We will be sure to check out the gathering in June next year. I am working on the Bingelis books on eBay, and have been trying to acquire a Corvair engine. This will be a long term project for the kids and I (there's 5 of them) and we are also building a 1/5 scale RC model as well. One initial question about wood - I have read that Douglas Fir can be used as an alternative to Spruce. Is this a reasonable assumption? If so, can someone point me towards a suitable source, preferably on the West Coast? To foster some enthusiasm with the kids I'd like to get a few wing ribs done - even if they end up on the wall as decoration - and I'm prepared to use the construction of these as a learning and bonding experience (pun intended). Thanks again, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Post Welcome Dave, I have a piet in Lancaster and there are a few others near by. You are welcome to come up and see mine anytime you wish. There is a lot of knowledge within this group. My wife grew up in Simi and went to Royal High. In fact she is going down today to visit with her mother. Welcome aboard and enjoy the flight, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408785#408785 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair
Date: Sep 18, 2013
And should swing a nice long prop. On Sep 18, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Jack wrote: > > That should help your CG problem! > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Sep 18, 2013, at 7:39 PM, "John Francis" wrote: > >> >> My new engine showed up today to replace the Corvair I was originally going to install. >> >> -------- >> John Francis >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408819#408819 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_1135018178_353.jpg > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 18, 2013
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: First Post
Oscar,- Yes the gathering will be on the 7th this coming year.-- If y ou get hung up with weather or decide to do it in two days there are a few Pietenpol people from Northern California who came this year and will proba bly come again.- Perhaps you could meet up with one or some of them and h ead down together.- =0A=0A-I'm looking forward to meeting you, and Scou t, in person at the gathering!=0A=0AMike Groah=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________ __________________=0A From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>=0ATo: pietenp ol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:39 AM=0ASub ject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Post=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message po sted by: "taildrags" =0A=0AVic-=0A=0AFor the West Co ast fly-in, the first Saturday in June 2014 is the 7th.- Is that the corr ect date for Frazier Lake?- I want to make it next year for sure.- It's about 430 miles for me and Scout... a long day, probably 3 intermediate fu el stops and 4 hops that I'll make on Friday the 6th so as to have the full day there on Saturday.- If I get hung up in weather, I may need to make it part-way on Friday and then arrive sometime mid-morning on Saturday.=0A =0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga=0AMedford, OR=0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout&qu ot;=0AA75 power=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://foru =============== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: First Post
Date: Sep 18, 2013
Dave, Welcome! My Piet is in Lincoln (LHM), just northeast of Sacramento. It is built mostly with Poplar, some of which I purchased from my local big box aircraft supply store (Lowe's); but the longer pieces were purchased from a local hardwood and flooring store. It's easiest when you can find a local supplier and hand pick your pieces. Chances are, you could even go to your local lumber supply, tell them you want clear, vertical grain boards (don't say it's for an airplane), and they will be able to get it for you. AC43.13 allows Doug Fir as a direct substitute, even allowing for lesser dimensions as the wood is stronger than spruce. Contact me off list, if you wish to discuss suitable grain. Gboothe5(at)comcast.net. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:33 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Post Thanks everyone for the kind welcome. We will be sure to check out the gathering in June next year. I am working on the Bingelis books on eBay, and have been trying to acquire a Corvair engine. This will be a long term project for the kids and I (there's 5 of them) and we are also building a 1/5 scale RC model as well. One initial question about wood - I have read that Douglas Fir can be used as an alternative to Spruce. Is this a reasonable assumption? If so, can someone point me towards a suitable source, preferably on the West Coast? To foster some enthusiasm with the kids I'd like to get a few wing ribs done - even if they end up on the wall as decoration - and I'm prepared to use the construction of these as a learning and bonding experience (pun intended). Thanks again, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Post Welcome Dave, I have a piet in Lancaster and there are a few others near by. You are welcome to come up and see mine anytime you wish. There is a lot of knowledge within this group. My wife grew up in Simi and went to Royal High. In fact she is going down today to visit with her mother. Welcome aboard and enjoy the flight, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408785#408785 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2013
I just sprayed a mouthful of scotch (it's 4pm here...) when this post opened up! Kinda expecting a engine debate starter, wondering if I was gonna see a pic of a ford or a continental... Nicely done! So you gonna change the gear too? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408837#408837 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Post
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 19, 2013
Hey Dave, Rather than spending a bunch of time searching ebay for the Bingelis books, why don't you just order the set from EAA? $90 for all four books. Brand new. One stop shopping. One shipping charge. http://www.shopeaa.com/bingelissetof4.aspx Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408839#408839 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: New Engine to replace Corvair
Date: Sep 19, 2013
I'm glad you got the aluminum valve covers! Barry Nx973bp -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Engine to replace Corvair --> My new engine showed up today to replace the Corvair I was originally going to install. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408819#408819 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_1135018178_353.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Post
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 19, 2013
Just how big would a Pietenpol need to be to wear this engine? I'm sure someone on this list is smart enough to scale this and even provide dimensions. Yes this is a challenge. Would I fly it? Heck yes!!!! Would we use a couple of old Ferris Wheels for the main wheels? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408844#408844 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 19, 2013
Just how big would a Pietenpol need to be to wear this engine? I'm sure someone on this list is smart enough to scale this and even provide dimensions. Yes this is a challenge. Would I fly it? Heck yes!!!! Would we use a couple of old Ferris Wheels for the main wheels? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408845#408845 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: First Post
Date: Sep 19, 2013
David=3B It sounds like you got your questions answered (about wood selection). Mea nwhile=2C if you have kids involved and you want to start with something ta ngible=2C I'll reiterate something that I posted earlier (probably before y ou joined the list): consider building a quickie fuselage mock-up out of lu mber scraps or inexpensive hardware-store materials. All you need is the s ection from the firewall to the pilot's seat back. It will give you a grea t feel for the geometry and ergonomics of the Piet cockpit=2C and it's some thing that the kids can help assemble and then climb all over without worry ing about damaging it. If you later want to hang it from a tree limb and m ake it into a swing=2C that's fine too. No need to measure or cut to the n earest 1/32"... nothing is critical. You should be able to find some inexpensive lumber and plywood and then whi p together the mock-up with a brad gun=2C stapler=2C or drywall screws in a jiffy. Won't even require glue joints=2C although you could use Gorilla o r wood glue and really make it sturdy. Latex paint=2C of course =3Bo) Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Post
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 19, 2013
Opps, Still had the other thread on my mind while looking at this one. Bad Scott -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408846#408846 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 19, 2013
...and the hp will be similar. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:29 AM, "Barry Davis" wrote: > > I'm glad you got the aluminum valve covers! > > Barry > Nx973bp > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:40 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Engine to replace Corvair > > --> > > My new engine showed up today to replace the Corvair I was originally going > to install. > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408819#408819 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_1135018178_353.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 19, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: First Post
Hi Dave, Welcome to the West Coast Piet Group. Yes and I have my Piet made entirely out of Doug Fir except for plywood sheeting. Cheers, Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA PS My Piet has yet to fly; hopefully this year though. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 19, 2013
Subject: Re: First Post
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
The mock fuselage is a great idea, your kids will like helping you with it and they can play with it after, they used mine for a sled in the winter. rick On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > David; > > It sounds like you got your questions answered (about wood selection). > Meanwhile, if you have kids involved and you want to start with something > tangible, I'll reiterate something that I posted earlier (probably before > you joined the list): consider building a quickie fuselage mock-up out of > lumber scraps or inexpensive hardware-store materials. All you need is the > section from the firewall to the pilot's seat back. It will give you a > great feel for the geometry and ergonomics of the Piet cockpit, and it's > something that the kids can help assemble and then climb all over without > worrying about damaging it. If you later want to hang it from a tree limb > and make it into a swing, that's fine too. No need to measure or cut to > the nearest 1/32"... nothing is critical. > > You should be able to find some inexpensive lumber and plywood and then > whip together the mock-up with a brad gun, stapler, or drywall screws in a > jiffy. Won't even require glue joints, although you could use Gorilla or > wood glue and really make it sturdy. > > Latex paint, of course ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Post
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2013
Great photo, Rick!! The thing even has a wing centersection! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408860#408860 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ebay Piet
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2013
That one will never sell for what he has as a minimum bid ($9600). There are several complete, flying Piets and GN-1s out there for that much or less. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408862#408862 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ebay Piet
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 19, 2013
Good luck to the seller. Like Oscar suggested, for only a few dollars more, one could buy Doc Mosher's very nice, well-built, flying Piet. Just sayin'... Go to Barnstormers.com, and search "Pietenpol". PIETENPOL AirCamper Neenah WI PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER NEENAH WI $11,000 FLY RIGHT NOW Cont.65, Silver/blue, TT 75hrs incl engine overhaul. AHNC. Let's talk. Doc Mosher--920-727-1534 Contact Donald A. Mosher - OSHKOSH AIR ASSOCIATES, Owner - located Neenah, WI USA Telephone: 920-740-4350 . 920-727-1534 . Posted September 10, 2013 Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408864#408864 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David" <david(at)tynerroberts.com>
Subject: First Post
Date: Sep 19, 2013
That's great! I think I could attach it to some ropes and let it hang from a tree and the younger ones would love it. I picked up the Engines book and the Construction Techniques books for $3 each on eBay. I have a very limited budget for this project. Not limited in absolute amount as such, but "limited" as in it's a drip feed system :-) Thanks again, Dave _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:52 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Post The mock fuselage is a great idea, your kids will like helping you with it and they can play with it after, they used mine for a sled in the winter. rick On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: David; It sounds like you got your questions answered (about wood selection). Meanwhile, if you have kids involved and you want to start with something tangible, I'll reiterate something that I posted earlier (probably before you joined the list): consider building a quickie fuselage mock-up out of lumber scraps or inexpensive hardware-store materials. All you need is the section from the firewall to the pilot's seat back. It will give you a great feel for the geometry and ergonomics of the Piet cockpit, and it's something that the kids can help assemble and then climb all over without worrying about damaging it. If you later want to hang it from a tree limb and make it into a swing, that's fine too. No need to measure or cut to the nearest 1/32"... nothing is critical. You should be able to find some inexpensive lumber and plywood and then whip together the mock-up with a brad gun, stapler, or drywall screws in a jiffy. Won't even require glue joints, although you could use Gorilla or wood glue and really make it sturdy. Latex paint, of course ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
From: "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net>
Date: Sep 19, 2013
Mine has round steel struts....is there an easier way to streamline them? I'm lazy :? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408874#408874 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cont mount
From: John Greenlee <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sep 19, 2013
Hello Good People, A friend recently purchased a Piet project. It had previously had a Corvair. He wants to install a Continental. He wants to buy a mount. Or buy/borrow a jig. Or know the magic dimensions for mounting Continental. Drawing maybe. If you got stuff to sell contact me offline. Advice is also appreciated. Ezra Stiles Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2013
I used balsa. I was able to find a source with 3/4" thick pieces. I laminated pairs of those together then routed out a cove for the steel tube. It was an easy project to shave the balsa into a streamlined shape. Key was buying a cheap razor blade plane at the local hobby shop for 5 bucks or so. Regular planes don't like balsa. Some varnish and then covered with fabric. Was easy and a lot cheaper than buying streamlined. On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Larry Vetter" wrote: > > Mine has round steel struts....is there an easier way to streamline them? I'm lazy :? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408874#408874 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2013
There used to be an extruded plastic streamline tubing material that was made to slide over round tubing and the ultralight guys used it for this very purpose. I acquired some a number of years ago and it was test-flown on the prototype Flying Squirrel, where it proved to be of some benefit in drag reduction and cruise. I'll try to find out where I got it, but I want to say that it was through Carlson or Sky-Tek. Slipping some plastic extrusions over your round tubing struts and then securing it in place is just about as simple and inexpensive as you're going to get. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408878#408878 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Streamline plastic fairings
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Hi. Some information at: http://www.uflyit.com/streamline_fairings.htm http://www.ultralightnews.ca/streamlinedfairings/1.html http://chrusion.com/BJ7/Streamline/fairings.html I used these fairings on my cabanes and U/C legs. Just slit them around trail edge with a Xacto type knife and slid over, fixing with small aluminium brackets. In truth not sure how much it improve things as the aircraft was well beyond a brick aerodynamically regarding parasite drag. Made me feel better! Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Cont mount
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Greenlee Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cont mount Hello Good People, A friend recently purchased a Piet project. It had previously had a Corvair. He wants to install a Continental. He wants to buy a mount. Or buy/borrow a jig. Or know the magic dimensions for mounting Continental. Drawing maybe. If you got stuff to sell contact me offline. Advice is also appreciated. Ezra Stiles Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cont mount
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Mount locations are the same for all series of the small Continental engines including A, C, and O-200. A common recommendation is to make the mount 2" longer than the plans show for W&B issues. A Google search will confirm mount dimensions. jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote: > Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a > mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I > think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -- -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408888#408888 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Streamline plastic fairings
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Gerry=3B Yes=2C that is exactly the stuff. Extruded plastic sleeves that slip on ov er round tubing. The Flying Squirrel has two sizes of wing strut tubing=2C main and drag=2C so there are four struts and they are roughly the same le ngth as the ones on the Piet. In testing=2C the prototype picked up 5-7 MP H in top speed after adding the streamline sleeves over the round 4130 stee l struts. That seems to agree with the claims made on the ultralight websi tes that you provided links to. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: question for Oscar
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Oscar, You've got a Pietenpol Aircamper that was built by Corky yes? You've got a brand new A75 engine on that beauty but you call it a 'Scout' ? Is that just a nickname since Scouts are all single place Pietenpols. Just curious. Also give us an update please! You're planning all of these cool trips for next year but are you making progress in getting NX41CC back together? You have got to be chomping at the bit to fly her again. Sorry for being so nosey but more flying stories please! Mike C. in Ohio [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CEB5F6.9FF26BD0] ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Renter's Insurance
The time has come where I need to look into acquiring renter's insurance. I would like some feedback on what organizations I should look into, ones I should avoid, questions I should ask, answers I should receive, etc.- Tha nks for your input.=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMicha el Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Subject: Re: Renter's Insurance
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Renters insurance for your plane, self, Car, House? Steve D On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > The time has come where I need to look into acquiring renter's > insurance. I would like some feedback on what organizations I should look > into, ones I should avoid, questions I should ask, answers I should > receive, etc. Thanks for your input. > > If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Subject: Re: Streamline plastic fairings
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Dave Rogers, the gentleman/aerodynamacist who answered about the prop scallops, says round protrusions from aircraft (antennas or struts) are very draggy. A round antenna has much more drag than a Blade antenna, even though they have the same thickness. This is due to the turbulance created. (remember you put them on so that they cut through the air, not sideways.) Based on that, streamlining of struts and wires should add to speed. Be careful you may get so much speed that you cruse at VNE! Blue Skies, Steve "Unclassified" D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2013
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Renter's Insurance
Michael, What a coincidence, I just started flying again yesterday after getting my PPL back in the '70's. I rented an LSA Tecnam (similar to a Cessna 150) and went with a CFI. All went well but he did tell me that I would have to have renters' insurance plus buy my own headset. Those are both new requirements for an old-timer like me. Anyway, I got a quote from Avenco for about $200-$250 per year and a glance at the EAA website showed their prices to be about the same. Of course you can buy more liability for more $$. I'll probably go with EAA as I'm a member and like to support them. Regards, John Franklin Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Sep 20, 2013 11:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Renter's Insurance The time has come where I need to look into acquiring renter's insurance. I would like some feedback on what organizations I should look into, ones I should avoid, questions I should ask, answers I should receive, etc. Thanks for your input. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Subject: Re: Streamline plastic fairings
From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
dont you saw this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=ftq8jTQ8ANE El 20/09/2013 14:00, "Steven Dortch" escribi=F3 : Dave Rogers, the gentleman/aerodynamacist who answered about the prop scallops, says round protrusions from aircraft (antennas or struts) are very draggy. A round antenna has much more drag than a Blade antenna, even though they have the same thickness. This is due to the turbulance created. (remember you put them on so that they cut through the air, not sideways.) Based on that, streamlining of struts and wires should add to speed. Be careful you may get so much speed that you cruse at VNE! Blue Skies, Steve "Unclassified" D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Regarding the drag induced by round tubing, and the benefits of streamlining, check out this article. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=50119&highlight=streamline Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408904#408904 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Cont mount
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Do you think the 2" longer mount would apply to the Skyscout (single place Pietenpol), too? Seems to me that it would. I would rather have some extra weight out front than deal with the CG by moving the cabane struts back as my only option. Thanks, Ray Krause SkyScout now on its gear, installing the fuel tank. Sent from my iPad On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:06 AM, "pineymb" wrote: > > Mount locations are the same for all series of the small Continental engines including A, C, and O-200. > > A common recommendation is to make the mount 2" longer than the plans show for W&B issues. A Google search will confirm mount dimensions. > > > > > > > > > > > > jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote: >> Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a >> mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I >> think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that. >> >> Jack Phillips >> NX899JP >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >> -- > > > -------- > Adrian M > Winnipeg, MB > Canada > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408888#408888 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Burkholder" <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Renter's Insurance
Date: Sep 20, 2013
I have a renters insurance policy from avemco back from my flight training. I pay $370 yr for minimum liability and $25,000 hull coverage. I'm surprised at all they cover but they cover pretty much everything with it. Taildraggers, low-time pilots etc www.avemco.com/NonOwned/Features.aspx CB ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Renter's Insurance The time has come where I need to look into acquiring renter's insurance. I would like some feedback on what organizations I should look into, ones I should avoid, questions I should ask, answers I should receive, etc. Thanks for your input. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair
It would need a prop carved out of a 2000 year old redwood, and Paul Bunyan to carve it!( or a scaled up Dan Helsper)=0A-=0AShad=0A=0A=0A___________ _____________________=0AFrom: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>=0AT o: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:31 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Engine to replace Corvair=0A=0A=0A-- org>=0A=0AJust how big would a Pietenpol need to be to wear this engine? I' m sure someone on this list is smart enough to scale this and even provide dimensions. Yes this is a challenge. Would I fly it? Heck yes!!!! Would we use a couple of old Ferris Wheels for the main wheels?=0A=0A--------=0AScot t Liefeld=0AFlying N11MS since March 1972=0ASteel Tube=0AC-85-12=0AWire Whe els=0ABrodhead in 1996=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp ://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408845#408845=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ================ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2013
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Subject: Re: Cont mount
Preferable to use to use the less effective method to resolve a CG issue, eh? Remember, lengthening the mount 2" only moves the weight of the engine forward relative to datum. Moving the wing back 2" moves the weight of the engine and the entire fuselage (and it's contents) forward. More bang for your buck, less ant-eater. Ryan On 9/20/2013 3:27 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > > Do you think the 2" longer mount would apply to the Skyscout (single place Pietenpol), too? Seems to me that it would. I would rather have some extra weight out front than deal with the CG by moving the cabane struts back as my only option. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > SkyScout now on its gear, installing the fuel tank. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:06 AM, "pineymb" wrote: > >> >> Mount locations are the same for all series of the small Continental engines including A, C, and O-200. >> >> A common recommendation is to make the mount 2" longer than the plans show for W&B issues. A Google search will confirm mount dimensions. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote: >>> Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a >>> mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I >>> think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that. >>> >>> Jack Phillips >>> NX899JP >>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >>> >>> -- >> >> -------- >> Adrian M >> Winnipeg, MB >> Canada >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408888#408888 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cont mount
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 20, 2013
what about making a set of spacer spools between the firewall and mount to get the same thing done if you ended up needing the weight shift? I realize that would not necessarily mean the cowl would still work but it could allow for some trial offset of thrust as well without a lot of extra work except longer bolt to do some weighing.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408912#408912 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Cont mount
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Ryan, Your ant-eater comment really hit home! I have seen this on other Pietenpol planes and don't really like it. Guess I will just follow the mount plans I received with the Piet plans. Guess I could always figure a work-around if needs be. Thanks, Ray PS. Somewhere I saw a picture of a Scout with an extended mount. If I can find it, I will try to send it out. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 20, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > > Preferable to use to use the less effective method to resolve a CG issue, eh? > > Remember, lengthening the mount 2" only moves the weight of the engine forward relative to datum. Moving the wing back 2" moves the weight of the engine and the entire fuselage (and it's contents) forward. More bang for your buck, less ant-eater. > > Ryan > >> On 9/20/2013 3:27 PM, Ray Krause wrote: >> >> Do you think the 2" longer mount would apply to the Skyscout (single place Pietenpol), too? Seems to me that it would. I would rather have some extra weight out front than deal with the CG by moving the cabane struts back as my only option. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> SkyScout now on its gear, installing the fuel tank. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:06 AM, "pineymb" wrote: >>> >>> >>> Mount locations are the same for all series of the small Continental engines including A, C, and O-200. >>> >>> A common recommendation is to make the mount 2" longer than the plans show for W&B issues. A Google search will confirm mount dimensions. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote: >>>> Which Continental? The Pietenpol supplemental plan set has plans for a >>>> mount for an A65 Continental. If he's installing a C85, C90 or O-200 I >>>> think the mounts are different than for an A65, but I'm not sure of that. >>>> >>>> Jack Phillips >>>> NX899JP >>>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> -------- >>> Adrian M >>> Winnipeg, MB >>> Canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408888#408888 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Cont mount
Date: Sep 20, 2013
This could be a viable work-around if I end up needing it. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 20, 2013, at 5:11 PM, "GNflyer" wrote: > > > what about making a set of spacer spools between the firewall and mount to get the same thing done if you ended up needing the weight shift? I realize that would not necessarily mean the cowl would still work but it could allow for some trial offset of thrust as well without a lot of extra work except longer bolt to do some weighing.Raymond > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408912#408912 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels?
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Ryan, This email may not work. But here is a picture of a loooong motor mount for a heavy Cont engine. Thanks, Ray Krause http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Sky%20Scout/images/4.jpg Sent from my iPad

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From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels?
Date: Sep 20, 2013
Actually, I don't know what engine that is, Franklin? There must be some lead in the tail! Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 20, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > > Ryan, > > This email may not work. But here is a picture of a loooong motor mount for a heavy Cont engine. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Sky%20Scout/images/4.jpg > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: ?Q?Re:_Pietenpol-List:_4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels?
Date: Sep 20, 2013
The cabanes also seem to be tilted back a lot. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 20, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > > Ryan, > > This email may not work. But here is a picture of a loooong motor mount for a heavy Cont engine. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Sky%20Scout/images/4.jpg > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad >
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Subject: Re: ?Q?Re:_Pietenpol-List:_4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels?
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 21, 2013
Wonder what that brake pedal looking thing in the left center of the photo is? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Sep 21, 2013, at 12:00 AM, Ray Krause wrote: > > The cabanes also seem to be tilted back a lot. > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Ray Krause wrote: >> >> Ryan, >> >> This email may not work. But here is a picture of a loooong motor mount for a heavy Cont engine. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> >> >> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Sky%20Scout/images/4.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >>
>> >> >>
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 859-1?Q?RE:_Pietenpol-List:_4.jpg_640=D7480_pixels?
Date: Sep 21, 2013
My guess is that it is indeed a brake pedal, actuated by a cable, hardly visible but attached to the other side, which passes thru the firewall to the pilot. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4.jpg 640480 pixels Wonder what that brake pedal looking thing in the left center of the photo is? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Sep 21, 2013, at 12:00 AM, Ray Krause wrote: > --> > > The cabanes also seem to be tilted back a lot. > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Ray Krause wrote: >> >> Ryan, >> >> This email may not work. But here is a picture of a loooong motor mount for a heavy Cont engine. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> >> >> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Sky%20Scout/images/4.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >>
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: question for Oscar
Date: Sep 21, 2013
Mikee- Yes=2C 41CC was constructed by Corky Corbett. It is an Air Camper named "S cout" and not a Sky Scout named "Scout" =3Bo) These are confusing times=3B get used to it! The airplane is sitting comfortably in my hangar and I just got (another) b ox of stuff from Aircraft Spruce so I can keep making upgrades and tweaks t o it as I reassemble it after the move from Texas... which was almost a yea r ago! In the box this time are a new Aero Trainer tire and tube to replac e the pilot's side rubber=2C which is almost down to no tread on it. I'll take a tip from someone else on this list and clean & store the worn one as a spare this time instead of taking it to the tire place for recycling. Also in the box is a new battery for my Narco ELT=2C which isn't really my ELT since a very generous member of this list sent me a replacement for my old one... which died of terminal corrosion from a leaking battery. I'll t ake protective measures this time. I need to clean up a little bit of corr osion on the aluminum ground plane that the ELT and my COM antenna are moun ted on behind the pilot's seat in the aft fuselage=2C since the white stuff from the battery got on it a little bit too. Let's see: also in the box is a new fuel shutoff valve and some fittings to go with it. I managed to strip the threads on the stem of my old valve by trying to snug it "just a tad more" (famous last words)=2C and the brass t hreads just shrugged and said "OK=2C you're the boss" and stripped. I'm re working the geometry of my fuel shutoff valve=2C actuator=2C and feed line to the gascolator to make the fuel flow path more direct and without a slig ht trap that the old setup had. It's tricky working up under the front coc kpit and fuel tank=2C so I'm trying to get everything fitted and ready befo re I accordion myself up to get under there. Last time I did it=2C I thoug ht I might never get back out and I'd have to gnaw a hole out the side of t he fuselage to extricate myself. More parts in the box: new AN bolts to replace all of the existing ones tha t mount the wing attach fittings and struts to the tabs and brackets (those have been removed and reinserted lots of times=2C and most of them were no t exactly the correct grip length)=3B new SS screws to attach the new cente rsection flop hinge. And the list goes on... I noticed a slight cock in th e tailwheel so I suspect that I've slightly twisted the tailwheel spring le aves in a crosswind landing or something. I'll have to pull the tailwheel off and see if I can straighten the springs with a vise and big wrench. Th e tailwheel is wearing ever so slightly uneven and that's no good. Other stuff in the box: Poly-Tak so I can take care of a couple of small fa bric patches=2C followed by painting those patches and a few other little p laces on the fuselage fabric here and there. I completely rebuilt the plywood bulkhead at the front of the front seat=2C went through all the cabane and wing brace cables and control cables to re place clevis pins that were too long... I want them to all be the correct l ength with just the required minimum washers. I redid every one of the cle vis cotter pins on the airplane the "approved" way=2C with nice trim tails. I cleaned up and 'served' some control and brace cable ends that were a l ittle bit too long and were frayed enough to snag a cleaning cloth every ti me I wiped things down. I prepped and painted the new cooling eyebrows for the engine the other day and pffffttt... what a mess. Fisheye. Must have been some oil or silicon e residue on there. So now I've got to strip them=2C prep and prime=2C and try it again- then I'll be pretty much done with firewall forward except f or re-torqueing and safetying the prop bolts. What else ya wanna know? When's it gonna fly? Tuesday! I'm just not sayi ng WHICH Tuesday. Once it's airworthy and complete to my satisfaction=2C I 'll fuel it up and fly the pattern a bit to make sure it's rigged properly and feeling good=2C then I'll update the logs and take the paperwork and fe rry it over to Beagle Sky Ranch Airpark=2C where my A&P Steve Pankonin will pull the annual condition inspection on it. Beagle Sky is a fun little di rt strip=2C one-way=2C with a VERY pronounced hill climb at the far end. Al ways folks sitting out in lawn chairs ready to judge your landings =3Bo) Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 4.jpg =?ISO-8859-1?Q?640=C3=97480?= pixels
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 21, 2013
Jack, I wonder if it is a primer for the fuel system? -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408950#408950 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Non-stick paint for T-88?
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Sep 21, 2013
Sent from my iPad On Aug 12, 2013, at 6:22 PM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > Headwind ... Tailwind ... what's the difference? :) > > BC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406554#406554 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ?Q?Re:_Pietenpol-List:_4.jpg_640=C3=97480_pixels?
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 21, 2013
I'm not sure and Gary I wonder why it would be set up that way... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Sep 21, 2013, at 5:05 PM, "biplan53" wrote: > > Jack, I wonder if it is a primer for the fuel system? > > -------- > Building steel fuselage aircamper. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408950#408950 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 4.jpg =?ISO-8859-1?Q?640=C3=97480?= pixels
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 21, 2013
Jack, If that is the primer it could be the builder installed that way for hand propping. I saw Peter Wright's Pietenpol in the U.K., and he had a primer set up in a similar way for that reason. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408968#408968 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cont mount
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 21, 2013
One more data point for you: the mount that is on my Air Camper, "Scout". I have an A75 but it's pretty much identical in weight to the A65. The attached picture doesn't show this clearly, but the nose of the ruler is right at the plane where the engine mount meets the rear of the engine. As you can see, my mount is about 14-1/2" long (14" from center of engine mount bolts). My airplane balances nicely with the cabanes swept back; I believe it's 4" of aft tilt. Empty weight is 636 lbs., with 307 on the left main, 304 on the right main, and 25 on the tailwheel (all in the level attitude). -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408969#408969 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a75_mount_128.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: 859-1?Q?RE:_Pietenpol-List:_4.jpg_640=C3-480_pixels?
Date: Sep 22, 2013
That makes sense... Jack Textor Des Moines, IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:44 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4.jpg 640480 pixels Jack, If that is the primer it could be the builder installed that way for hand propping. I saw Peter Wright's Pietenpol in the U.K., and he had a primer set up in a similar way for that reason. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408968#408968 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 4.jpg =?ISO-8859-1?Q?640=C3?=-480 pixels
From: "ChiefH" <glennhouston(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 22, 2013
Gentlemen, The picture is of N4089P, built by Dave Adams, based at KGWW. I purchased it in somewhat flying condition and have spent many hours making it my own. Mostly minor mods such as installing a handheld radio bracket and putting a PTT in the stick. As to the speculation: The engine is a Franklin 4AC-199E, 90hp. Electric start, though no electric system. The black box low down behind the engine is a battery that takes ground power to charge and is used to start the engine and operate the handheld. A full charge will crank the engine more times than I have had need of as yet. The brake pedal thing is, in fact, a brake pedal thing. Operated by cable to heel brakes. There are two independent brake systems, right and left. There is no fuel primer system. The carb has an accelerator pump that does the job nicely. The wing is a Clark Y. The only "lead in the tail" is in the pilots tail. She balances nicely on the ground but I am told it is a "little" nose heavy in flight. I have not taken it up myself but hope to get a test pilot to take it up for me soon and do the initial evaluation of the rigging. I had to take the wings off to transport it to its current location and being a low time Sport Pilot with no time in a Piet, I thought it prudent to have a test pilot do an evaluation for me. Volunteers? Any and all questions will be answered to the best of my limited ability. -------- Glenn Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408980#408980 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/sky_scout_308.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 859-1?Q?RE:_Pietenpol-List:_4.jpg_640=D7480_pixels?
Date: Sep 22, 2013
Just guessing. Those appear to be hydraulic lines, going to the wheels, not primer lines going to the intakes. Who knows why someone would do such a thing, but I have heard pilots say that they do not like hydraulics in the cabin, or cockpit. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4.jpg 640480 pixels I'm not sure and Gary I wonder why it would be set up that way... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Sep 21, 2013, at 5:05 PM, "biplan53" wrote: > --> > > Jack, I wonder if it is a primer for the fuel system? > > -------- > Building steel fuselage aircamper. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408950#408950 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 4.jpg =?ISO-8859-1?Q?640=C3?=-480 pixels
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 22, 2013
Based at KGWW... Goldsboro, North Carolina. You have some experienced Piet pilots in your region, and my guess is that one of them would be willing to test your airplane. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408990#408990 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 4.jpg =?ISO-8859-1?Q?640=C3?=-480 pixels
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 22, 2013
I stand corrected!! I thought it had to pump something, never thought someone would put master cylinder on other side of firewall. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408991#408991 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike McGowan" <shadetree(at)socket.net>
Subject: Re: 859-1?Q?Re:_Pietenpol-List:_4.jpg_640=C3-480_pixels?
Date: Sep 22, 2013
Maybe it is set up to hold the brakes while propping from behind the propeller. Mike McGowan -----Original Message----- From: biplan53 Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4.jpg 640-480 pixels I stand corrected!! I thought it had to pump something, never thought someone would put master cylinder on other side of firewall. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408991#408991 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ?Q?Re:_Pietenpol-List:_4.jpg_640=C3=83-480_pixels?
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 22, 2013
Nice Ship Glenn, good luck... Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:09 AM, "ChiefH" wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > The picture is of N4089P, built by Dave Adams, based at KGWW. > > I purchased it in somewhat flying condition and have spent many hours making it my own. Mostly minor mods such as installing a handheld radio bracket and putting a PTT in the stick. > > As to the speculation: > > The engine is a Franklin 4AC-199E, 90hp. Electric start, though no electric system. The black box low down behind the engine is a battery that takes ground power to charge and is used to start the engine and operate the handheld. A full charge will crank the engine more times than I have had need of as yet. > > The brake pedal thing is, in fact, a brake pedal thing. Operated by cable to heel brakes. There are two independent brake systems, right and left. > > There is no fuel primer system. The carb has an accelerator pump that does the job nicely. > > The wing is a Clark Y. > > The only "lead in the tail" is in the pilots tail. She balances nicely on the ground but I am told it is a "little" nose heavy in flight. I have not taken it up myself but hope to get a test pilot to take it up for me soon and do the initial evaluation of the rigging. I had to take the wings off to transport it to its current location and being a low time Sport Pilot with no time in a Piet, I thought it prudent to have a test pilot do an evaluation for me. Volunteers? > > Any and all questions will be answered to the best of my limited ability. > > -------- > Glenn > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408980#408980 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/sky_scout_308.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2013
From: Jim Birke <jimbir(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Propeller
We are building an air camper for display only and are thinking of building our own propeller. It would probably be made of clear white pine. Has anyone posted a drawing showing the shape of the laminations required to to lay on up or, is there a site that I can go to to find this information? Thanks. Jim Birke Niagara Frontier Vintage Aircraft Group Niagara Falls NY. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Propeller
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2013
Just something that may help you visualize the process. WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409071#409071 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
From: "johnnysdrop" <johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2013
Mario We are making streamline tube here in the UK for a group of us Piet builders and can supply you with tube approved to UK standards if you are interested? Reagrds John Theron Building spars currently for 3 piece Wills wing -------- The only way is UP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409076#409076 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Propeller
Date: Sep 23, 2013
Jim, For either show, or actual use, you could do either =BE=94 or =BD=94 laminations. =BD=94 or smaller may look better. Boards of any grain pattern will work. Attached image is of #4, for my Piet, and is =BD=94 laminations of poplar. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Birke Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propeller We are building an air camper for display only and are thinking of building our own propeller. It would probably be made of clear white pine. Has anyone posted a drawing showing the shape of the laminations required to to lay on up or, is there a site that I can go to to find this information? Thanks. Jim Birke Niagara Frontier Vintage Aircraft Group Niagara Falls NY. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2013
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
imposible, I can't buy them there and bring it here.. to expensive. Anyway, thanky very much for the offer. Mario Giacummo 2013/9/23 johnnysdrop > johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com> > > Mario > We are making streamline tube here in the UK for a group of us Piet > builders and can supply you with tube approved to UK standards if you are > interested? > Reagrds > John Theron > Building spars currently for 3 piece Wills wing > > -------- > The only way is UP > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409076#409076 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David" <david(at)tynerroberts.com>
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
Date: Sep 23, 2013
Hi John, I import auto parts into the US from the UK and Europe - Maybe I could arrange to bring some in for any folks interested? Can you give me some info regarding lengths and weights required for one Piet and I'll work on a shipping quote from there? If anyone is interested, please let me know so I can get a rough idea of the number of "kits" we'd be looking at. Would you also be able to advise on the specs of the tubing? Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of johnnysdrop Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts Mario We are making streamline tube here in the UK for a group of us Piet builders and can supply you with tube approved to UK standards if you are interested? Reagrds John Theron Building spars currently for 3 piece Wills wing -------- The only way is UP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409076#409076 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Chuck Campbell <cncampbell(at)outlook.com>
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
Date: Sep 23, 2013
Mario=2C I located a fellow who has a Taylorcraft monoplane. The FAA deter mined somehow that all the T crafts built before a certain date had to have their wing struts replaced. He checked his struts that they were OK but t he FAA determined he had to replace them anyway. So he did and I bought th e replaced struts. They are as sound as need be. If you can find a T cra ft owner who had to replace his struts you might get a good deal on the old ones. Just a thought. Chuck From: mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com Date: Mon=2C 23 Sep 2013 18:39:54 -0300 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts imposible=2C I can't buy them there and bring it here.. to expensive.=0A =0A Anyway=2C thanky very much for the offer. Mario Giacummo =0A 2013/9/23 johnnysdrop =0A =0A .com> =0A =0A Mario =0A We are making streamline tube here in the UK for a group of us Piet builder s and can supply you with tube approved to UK standards if you are interest ed? =0A Reagrds =0A John Theron =0A Building spars currently for 3 piece Wills wing =0A =0A -------- =0A The only way is UP =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Read this topic online here: =0A =0A http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409076#409076 =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =0A =0A http://forums.matronics.com =0A =0A le=2C List Admin. =0A ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Aluminum Strut Material - FREE
Date: Sep 23, 2013
Well.not really free, but it got your attention! I know little or nothing about aluminum struts, but a local EAA guy has 10 or 11 pieces of 12' streamline material that looks to be the right size for a Piet. He sez he'll make a "smokin' deal"! Contact Ken Schwartz: ken.schwartz(at)att.net. Feel free to use my name as a reference, but avoid using expletives, as Ken & I are friends, and it might affect the level of your smokin' deal. .and, PLEASE, don't ask me any questions, cuz' I don't know! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Propeller
From: "jimbir" <jimbir(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2013
Thanks Gary. Beautiful prop. There were three question marks ( ?" ) in you post. Were these supposed to be links to some information? Jim Birke -------- Thanks, Jim Birke Niagara Frontier Vintage Aircraft Group Assisting The Niagara Aerospace Museum Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409104#409104 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Propeller
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 23, 2013
Those were not put there by me. I think Matt automatically adds those to all my posts, meaning you should question everything I say! Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 23, 2013, at 4:38 PM, "jimbir" wrote: > > > Thanks Gary. Beautiful prop. There were three question marks ( ?" ) in you post. Were these supposed to be links to some information? > > Jim Birke > > -------- > Thanks, Jim Birke > Niagara Frontier Vintage > Aircraft Group Assisting The > Niagara Aerospace Museum > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409104#409104 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2013
From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
Just curious.. how many fiat federal reserve notes per foot?=0A=0AThanks=0A Andy=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: johnnysdrop <john nysdrop(at)googlemail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, September 23, 2013 4:39 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing sdrop(at)googlemail.com>=0A=0AMario=0AWe are making streamline tube here in th e UK for a group of us Piet builders and can supply you with tube approved to UK standards if you are interested?=0AReagrds=0AJohn Theron=0ABuilding s pars currently for 3 piece Wills wing=0A=0A--------=0AThe only way is UP=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/v =- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle ======== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sutton, Mark" <msutton(at)unitedwayatlanta.org>
Date: Sep 23, 2013
Subject: Re: Propeller
Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Jim Birke" > wrote: We are building an air camper for display only and are thinking of building our own propeller. It would probably be made of clear white pine. Has anyone posted a drawing showing the shape of the laminations required to to lay on up or, is there a site that I can go to to find this information? Thanks. Jim Birke Niagara Frontier Vintage Aircraft Group Niagara Falls NY. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Propeller
Date: Sep 23, 2013
BTW, Jim...If you go to all the work of carving a prop, why not make a for-reals one? With Dan Helsper's prop carving guide (helspersew(at)aol.com), and a little math, Bob's yer uncle! Clear white pine is perfectly suitable, though you may wish to make the laminations 3/8 - 1/2". Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Propeller Those were not put there by me. I think Matt automatically adds those to all my posts, meaning you should question everything I say! Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 23, 2013, at 4:38 PM, "jimbir" wrote: > > > Thanks Gary. Beautiful prop. There were three question marks ( ?" ) in you post. Were these supposed to be links to some information? > > Jim Birke > > -------- > Thanks, Jim Birke > Niagara Frontier Vintage > Aircraft Group Assisting The > Niagara Aerospace Museum > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409104#409104 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Propeller
Date: Sep 23, 2013
Gary, How fast do you carve those props? Is your plane back together already? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 23, 2013, at 2:01 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Jim, > > For either show, or actual use, you could do either =C2=BE=9D or =C2 =BD=9D laminations. =C2=BD=9D or smaller may look better. Boards of any grain pattern will work. Attached image is of #4, for my Piet, and i s =C2=BD=9D laminations of poplar. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Birke > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:52 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propeller > > We are building an air camper for display only and are thinking of buildin g our own propeller. It would probably be made of clear white pine. Has anyo ne posted a drawing showing the shape of the laminations required to to lay o n up or, is there a site that I can go to to find this information? > > Thanks. Jim Birke > Niagara Frontier Vintage Aircraft Group > Niagara Falls NY. > > =====================http://www. mat=====================http://for ums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site -Matt D ralle, href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.c om/c > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Propeller
Date: Sep 23, 2013
Takes 30 or 40 hrs. Wing has primer. Tail wheel change is started. Still going to be a month or two. Maybe I=99ll take some vaca time and speed it up! I sure miss the flying. Read Stick & Rudderjust what I needed!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Propeller Gary, How fast do you carve those props? Is your plane back together already? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2013, at 2:01 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: Jim, For either show, or actual use, you could do either =C2=BE=9D or =C2=BD=9D laminations. =C2=BD=9D or smaller may look better. Boards of any grain pattern will work. Attached image is of #4, for my Piet, and is =C2=BD=9D laminations of poplar. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Birke Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propeller We are building an air camper for display only and are thinking of building our own propeller. It would probably be made of clear white pine. Has anyone posted a drawing showing the shape of the laminations required to to lay on up or, is there a site that I can go to to find this information? Thanks. Jim Birke Niagara Frontier Vintage Aircraft Group Niagara Falls NY. =====================http://www .mat=====================http:/ /forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site -Matt Dralle, href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Autumn Flt
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 24, 2013
It was an awesome day in Texas for flying the GN-1. It will be all week. I got this close up of a buzzard off my wing tip.. -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409117#409117 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bird_644.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: side project
Date: Sep 24, 2013
Hey all, For fun, I'm building an experimental high-mileage vehicle. It'll be a motor powered recumbent trike type of thing with an aerodynamic fairing. I'm trying to figure out a simple, low profile front suspension (two steering wheels in front). The thing won't go faster than 50mpg so it doesn't need to be great, just sturdy. I got to thinking of a flat spring aluminum plate that would have some spring in it, kind of like a Cessna gear and wondered if anyone knew anything about how to get spring temper in a thick aluminum plate/bar? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Autumn Flt
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 24, 2013
He probably thought you were his mommy flying around. He kinda looks lost. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409120#409120 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Autumn Flt
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 24, 2013
Buzzard? Shoot, where I come from we call them critters "mosquitoes" -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409121#409121 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: side project
Date: Sep 24, 2013
=93I knew a guy=85=94 Seriously, I knew a guy who was building a Zenith 601 HDS and modifying the plans gear to an aluminum spring gear=85like a Cessna. He used =BD=94 6061 and merely bent it in a press. He flew off the Phase 1 testing, but sold the plane sometime after that. All was working good when he sold it. He claimed that there was no heat treating and that the gear merely relies on its mass to withstand any landing pressures. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: side project Hey all, For fun, I=92m building an experimental high-mileage vehicle. It=92ll be a motor powered recumbent trike type of thing with an aerodynamic fairing. I=92m trying to figure out a simple, low profile front suspension (two steering wheels in front). The thing won=92t go faster than 50mpg so it doesn=92t need to be great, just sturdy. I got to thinking of a flat spring aluminum plate that would have some spring in it, kind of like a Cessna gear and wondered if anyone knew anything about how to get spring temper in a thick aluminum plate/bar? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aluminum Strut Material - FREE
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 24, 2013
Really Gary, No questions??? I will try anyway. What is the current wingspan on your Pietenpol? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409127#409127 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum Strut Material - FREE
Date: Sep 24, 2013
It is currently 29', but I have a wing stretcher employed and hope to gain another foot or so... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:05 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut Material - FREE --> Really Gary, No questions??? I will try anyway. What is the current wingspan on your Pietenpol? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409127#409127 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aluminum Strut Material - FREE
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 24, 2013
I couldn't resist and knew you had the answer? Have a great day. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409129#409129 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: any aerodynamicists out there?
Date: Sep 24, 2013
Hey, I have some aerodynamic questions about my new project and know we have a few very knowledgeable aerodynamicists out there. Would anyone with specialized knowledge contact me offline so I could run my quandries by an expert? Thanks!! Douwe douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net 805 573 3564 cell in KY ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: side project
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 24, 2013
Douwe, I've had an interest in something like that too. Check out www.cyclekarts.com. Those guys use horse buggy seat springs that are available online. Steel, but should be fairly lightweight. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409136#409136 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Propeller
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 24, 2013
He is fast.....very fast! -----Original Message----- From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> Sent: Mon, Sep 23, 2013 10:43 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Propeller Gary, How fast do you carve those props? Is your plane back together already? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2013, at 2:01 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: Jim, For either show, or actual use, you could do either =C2=BE=9D or =C2 =BD=9D laminations. =C2=BD=9D or smaller may look better. Board s of any grain pattern will work. Attached image is of #4, for my Piet, and is =C2=BD=9D laminations of poplar. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Birke Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propeller We are building an air camper for display only and are thinking of building our own propeller. It would probably be made of clear white pine. Has anyo ne posted a drawing showing the shape of the laminations required to to lay on up or, is there a site that I can go to to find this information? Thanks. Jim Birke Niagara Frontier Vintage Aircraft Group Niagara Falls NY. =====================http://www.m at=====================http://for ums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site -Matt Dralle, href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronic s.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 24, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Autumn Flt
You must have been trying to pass him from that look he gave you. Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Autumn Flt
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 24, 2013
I don't know how I missed the obvious? Where did you find the Black and White film? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409142#409142 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
From: "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 24, 2013
Who is going to be flying out of meadowlake, Ken, or Rick. Either way, I would love to see a Piet fly, and I am in Pueblo. Shoot me a line if you could. Kelly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409146#409146 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 24, 2013
Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Kelly, I'm based in Longmont. I'm several months, maybe more, from being ready to fly mine. Rick's Piet is based in Meadow Lake. He's received his paperwork. I don't know how close he is to actually flying. There's also Jack Griener's Piet based at the Antique Airfield just outside of Longmont. I haven't seen that one fly for awhile, but I know there are at least a couple of people flying it occasionally. Cheers, Ken On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM, regchief wrote: > > Who is going to be flying out of meadowlake, Ken, or Rick. Either way, I > would love to see a Piet fly, and I am in Pueblo. Shoot me a line if you > could. > > Kelly > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409146#409146 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 24, 2013
Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Kelly I am at Meadow Lake and just got my AW, ain't flying yet, just taxiing around and getting ready for the first. Can come up to check it out and talk anytime. rick holland at7000ft(at)gmail.com On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:04 PM, regchief wrote: > > Who is going to be flying out of meadowlake, Ken, or Rick. Either way, I > would love to see a Piet fly, and I am in Pueblo. Shoot me a line if you > could. > > Kelly > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409146#409146 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: side project
Date: Sep 24, 2013
Google =9COptima Rhino=9D for a trike front suspension using a pivot and cane creek shock absorbers. I know its not what you were asking, but Grove Aircraft might be a source of info. Also, the PDQ-2 airplane which was designed by Wayne Ison in the 70=99s was a square 2=9D aluminum tube ultralight before there were such things, used a bent flat spring of 6061 T6 aluminum which was about 3/4=9D thick. Hope this helps. By the way, Rich Richardson used to build an aluminum trike, the design is now being made available by googleing Rontor trikes for spindle designs. Dennis From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: side project Hey all, For fun, I=99m building an experimental high-mileage vehicle. It=99ll be a motor powered recumbent trike type of thing with an aerodynamic fairing. I=99m trying to figure out a simple, low profile front suspension (two steering wheels in front). The thing won=99t go faster than 50mpg so it doesn=99t need to be great, just sturdy. I got to thinking of a flat spring aluminum plate that would have some spring in it, kind of like a Cessna gear and wondered if anyone knew anything about how to get spring temper in a thick aluminum plate/bar? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: side project
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Sep 24, 2013
Douwe, Read your post and the image that jumped into my mind was the three wheel Vespa. Check out vespausa.com and look at the independent front suspension on their three wheeler. Way Cool ! Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409167#409167 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com>
Subject: Re: side project
Date: Sep 25, 2013
High Mileage Vehicles in Burnsville, MN built the Freeway in 1979 =93 1981. They built about 700 units. I have a 1981. The front suspension is a torque tube arrangement. Google =9CFreeway=9D to get a look. Ralph ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: side project
Date: Sep 25, 2013
Douwe I have a set of Grove alum landing gear taking up room in my shop. I would take a couple of hundred bucks for it and you could cut it up as needed. If you are interested, I can take measurements and some pictures to send you. I think it would ship UPS with no problem. Barry Davis NX973BP From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: side project Hey all, For fun, I'm building an experimental high-mileage vehicle. It'll be a motor powered recumbent trike type of thing with an aerodynamic fairing. I'm trying to figure out a simple, low profile front suspension (two steering wheels in front). The thing won't go faster than 50mpg so it doesn't need to be great, just sturdy. I got to thinking of a flat spring aluminum plate that would have some spring in it, kind of like a Cessna gear and wondered if anyone knew anything about how to get spring temper in a thick aluminum plate/bar? Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 25, 2013
Paul, It looks great. congratulations. Keep up the good work. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409221#409221 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Weston <smikewest(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: side project
Date: Sep 25, 2013
hi douwe, mike weston here. if you go into eaa magazine archives and look at ed lesher's "teal" you will see he used 7075 T-6 plate for gear legs. the dimensions are shown in the three view drawing. this aluminum can be used as is for monoleaf type springs. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
From: "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 25, 2013
Hope your staying high and dry, Ken. I have seen a lot of the pictures our Civil air patrol crews took, and it looks bad. Unfortunately, I didn't get to fly as my allergies have been awful this month. Kelly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409229#409229 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
From: "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 25, 2013
Hope your staying high and dry, Ken. I have seen a lot of the pictures our Civil air patrol crews took, and it looks bad. Unfortunately, I didn't get to fly as my allergies have been awful this month. Kelly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409230#409230 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 25, 2013
Paul, Looks very nice! -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409231#409231 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 25, 2013
Subject: Mitchell airspeed ind.
From: John Core <erocje(at)gmail.com>
The writer is seeking info on a Mitchell airspeed ind a West German inst which runs off a vacuum the problem I'm having is a 2 inch venturi is to big giving me ten mph high plus reading,what venturi should I be using and where can I get it? Thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 25, 2013
From: Joe Street <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: A modest proposal
Hello all. I have an idea today and if it has been proposed already please forgive me, but I was thinking about the US mail service transcontinental airmail beacon route which was opened on September 08,1920. The route consisted of huge concrete arrows every 10mi with a 50 ft tower and a bright beacon light to assist airmail planes to navigate in poor visibility. The completion of this route meant that mail could cross the continent in from Crissy field in San Fran to Hazelhurst field Long Island, in about 30 hours rather than 10 days by pony express. In the 1940's the commerce department decommissioned the beacons and the steel was used in the war effort but the concrete arrows remain to this day. It occurred to me that Sept 2020 marks 100 years since the air route opened and I thought that it would be a good excuse to make a continental journey in a vintage type aircraft following the arrows to commemorate the creation of the system. Perhaps a little early to start the discussion but perhaps not. In any case as a Canadian it would be pointless for me to try to get some interest and perhaps financial backing for such an undertaking myself, but if some intrepid young man to the south of me was to take up the torch I think it would be very cool and an adventure of a lifetime to tag along in my own Piet. http://airmailpioneers.org/history/Sagahistoryairway.htm Any interest? Comments? Joe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 25, 2013
Paul, I happened to weigh my wood long fuselage with seats and floor plywood. It weighs exactly 50 pounds. Once you get those installed you will have something to compare. I see a lot of weight savings by not having the plywood on the sides. 2'x8' 1/8 ply weighs about 10 lbs times two sides. I plan on compensating for that with more horsepower, diet and exercise. Seats weren't finished in the picture but the parts were placed on top fir the weighing. The are to be installed later. Sorry about the picture size. -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409247#409247 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_846.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 25, 2013
Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Kelly (and others), thanks. As it turned out, we were fine. Our home sits on a rise just to the north of a golf course in northwest Longmont. We stayed dry throughout but had a front row seat for much of the worst flooding in the city. The major waterway through Longmont, the St Vrain, jumped its banks and, in effect, made a new river bed about a half mile to the north. The river was a mile wide as it entered Longmont. It surged through and across a neighborhood just west of the gold course that we overlook, completely engulfing the golf course, and then exiting through yet another neighborhood to the south of the golf course. Those neighborhoods have been devastated. I suspect that many of the homes will be total losses. All of them have serious E Coli contamination from the failure of all of the upstream waste water treatment facilities and many septic systems. Friday night during the midst of the flooding we had the windows open and were surprised at a constant low throbbing roar. It was the water surging across the golf course. While in a strange way it was nice to have riverfront views, it was even nicer when the water was finally returned to its regular channel. The Corp of Army Engineers and the City worked hard at making that happen. Lots of roads and bridges have reopened. Many, however, are simply gone. The only means currently for people living between Longmont/Loveland and Estes Park (e.g., in Lyons, Pinewood Springs, Glen Haven,Storm Mountain, etc.) to get to the outside world is by helicopter. No roads are now functional in that area and may not be for weeks or perhaps in some cases months. Fortunately, the flood control systems at the Longmont airport worked as designed, helped no doubt by the fact that the St Vrain chose to shift its channel to the north. Had it shifted the channel to the south, the flood controls at the airport would have been overwhelmed. So by a twist of fate, my Piet project and Pacer stayed dry and safe. Again we were mostly unaffected except for the many detours and traffic delays, which seem pretty trivial compared to what many others have been facing. Again thanks, Ken On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:35 PM, regchief wrote: > > Hope your staying high and dry, Ken. I have seen a lot of the pictures our > Civil air patrol crews took, and it looks bad. Unfortunately, I didn't get > to fly as my allergies have been awful this month. > > Kelly > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409230#409230 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 25, 2013
Subject: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Looks good, Curt. Ken On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:22 PM, curtdm(at)gmail.com wrote: > curtdm(at)gmail.com> > > Paul, > > I happened to weigh my wood long fuselage with seats and floor plywood. It > weighs exactly 50 pounds. Once you get those installed you will have > something to compare. I see a lot of weight savings by not having the > plywood on the sides. 2'x8' 1/8 ply weighs about 10 lbs times two sides. I > plan on compensating for that with more horsepower, diet and exercise. > > Seats weren't finished in the picture but the parts were placed on top fir > the weighing. The are to be installed later. > > Sorry about the picture size. > > -------- > Curt Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409247#409247 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_846.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A modest proposal
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 25, 2013
My dad sent me a link about the big concrete arrows not too long ago and I had the same idea. However, most of the arrows are gone from civilization... there's still a bunch of them in the boon docks, mostly out west from what I can gather. I was unable to really tell if it's documented well enough that the route could be flown anyway. Of course, much of it transverses airspace that I can't go without a transponder or radio... Anyway, I can fix, I can build, I can fly... but organization is NO WHERE to be found in anything about me... I got nothing. I would be interested in joining some sort of effort to fly legs, whatever. Help identify parts near where I live, or something. As soon as I learned about these things, I thought it would be so cool to fly that route. Sort of a route 66 for old airplanes sort of thing. Interested to see if there's much other interest. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409253#409253 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 26, 2013
Paul, Ken gave you a great answer to your question. Your front panel could be very deep depending on your engine and fuel tank layout. I myself don't have any instruments in the front of mine. I don't find a need for them and I have tried to keep the plane as light as possible. The heaviest weldments I think you will have are going to be the landing gear attach points. Don't forget about the bottom seat frame too. Are you going to build the steel tail? They are lighter but I don't know by how much. The plans are on this site somewhere. Keep up the good work, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409262#409262 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind.
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 26, 2013
It sounds like what the writer needs is a vacuum restrictor valve. You can purchase one from Aircraft Spruce (their part number AN5829-2, $23.65), but even with it in the line you'll need to adjust the vacuum to calibrate the instrument. It is unusual to run an airspeed indicator off of vacuum. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409276#409276 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 26, 2013
Paul, My wheels are Hayes and are original airplane from the late 1920's. Back in the day they measured the wheels by the total height of the tire. I have never measured them that way. With that said, I use a motor cycle tire size 3:50 x 16. The 16" tires are getting harder to find. I had to special order the last ones. Since I don't have any brakes the tires last a very long time. The previous set lasted about 14 years I think. The tread was still good but had some sidewall cracking issues. I would look for a size that is currently popular on motorcycles so you don't end up with rare hard to find tires in 20 years. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409282#409282 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FAA Inspection....
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Sep 26, 2013
Well folks, the FAA came yesterday and did the inspection and all went real good, only a few small things that needed attention, i fixed those up last night and we are ready to fly. He made me feel real good when he said I should teach homebuilding, he really liked the plane and engine choice. My test pilot is outa town till Sunday, so be ready as I hope to have something to report on Monday. I am real nervous to get this first flight under our belts. -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409287#409287 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 26, 2013
Subject: Re: FAA Inspection....
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Congratulations Chris, I just got my AW from at DAR a couple of weeks ago ($350). Since I haven't flow in 38 years I got a couple hours in a 172 last week for a general checkout and BFR. Then I am going to get some taildragger time with another instructor (he has a Citabria and a Pitts) before attempting the first flight. Should be able to handle a Piet if I can handle a Pitts (maybe). rick h On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Chris Rusch wrote: > rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> > > Well folks, the FAA came yesterday and did the inspection and all went > real good, only a few small things that needed attention, i fixed those up > last night and we are ready to fly. He made me feel real good when he said > I should teach homebuilding, he really liked the plane and engine choice. > My test pilot is outa town till Sunday, so be ready as I hope to have > something to report on Monday. I am real nervous to get this first flight > under our belts. > > -------- > NX321LR > ON THE FINAL PUSH!! > Mitsubishi Powered > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409287#409287 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Two new FAA Airworthiness Inspections!!! Congratulations!
Date: Sep 26, 2013
Way to GO Rick Holland and Chris Rusch in getting your newly built planes c ertified by the FAA for flight! The second half of all of this fun is just now beginning. For me this half was much more fun th an building....even 15 years later is still is fun. Really fun. Took a few photos from last night. Just think---you guys will be doing th is soon too! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: FAA Inspection....
Date: Sep 26, 2013
Congratulations to both!! Chris - I totally understand your being nervous. First flight for my Piet was with a very experienced pilot, whose abilities I did not question.I only questioned my own ability to build. Would the wing collapse? Would the engine quit? Would the gear hold up? Would the prop fly apart?...etc.etc. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Inspection.... Congratulations Chris, I just got my AW from at DAR a couple of weeks ago ($350). Since I haven't flow in 38 years I got a couple hours in a 172 last week for a general checkout and BFR. Then I am going to get some taildragger time with another instructor (he has a Citabria and a Pitts) before attempting the first flight. Should be able to handle a Piet if I can handle a Pitts (maybe). rick h On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Chris Rusch wrote: Well folks, the FAA came yesterday and did the inspection and all went real good, only a few small things that needed attention, i fixed those up last night and we are ready to fly. He made me feel real good when he said I should teach homebuilding, he really liked the plane and engine choice. My test pilot is outa town till Sunday, so be ready as I hope to have something to report on Monday. I am real nervous to get this first flight under our belts. -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409287#409287 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FAA Inspection....
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 26, 2013
Chris fantastic news! Hope we can fly formation with our military colors next year! Congratulations! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:29 AM, "Chris Rusch" wrote: > > Well folks, the FAA came yesterday and did the inspection and all went real good, only a few small things that needed attention, i fixed those up last night and we are ready to fly. He made me feel real good when he said I should teach homebuilding, he really liked the plane and engine choice. My test pilot is outa town till Sunday, so be ready as I hope to have something to report on Monday. I am real nervous to get this first flight under our belts. > > -------- > NX321LR > ON THE FINAL PUSH!! > Mitsubishi Powered > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409287#409287 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FAA Inspection....
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 26, 2013
Yes, getting the green light on your inspection is excellent news and hope the first flights are uneventful, Chris. A lot of people are anxious to hear how the MitsuPietshi climbs and flies. For my part, the only regulatory news I have is that I passed my BFR so I'm good for two more years. My first time to fly a glass cockpit (Garmin G1000 in a new Cessna 172). It's amazing how quickly you can climb to 7500' when you have 180HP to play with. Oh, and my first time to fly with a Bose ANC headset. Incredibly quiet. All of those things are antithetical to Pietenpoling though. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409305#409305 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: FAA Inspection....
Date: Sep 26, 2013
Glass? Garmin G1000? 7500'? 180HP? Bose? Sir, you speak a foreign language! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FAA Inspection.... --> Yes, getting the green light on your inspection is excellent news and hope the first flights are uneventful, Chris. A lot of people are anxious to hear how the MitsuPietshi climbs and flies. For my part, the only regulatory news I have is that I passed my BFR so I'm good for two more years. My first time to fly a glass cockpit (Garmin G1000 in a new Cessna 172). It's amazing how quickly you can climb to 7500' when you have 180HP to play with. Oh, and my first time to fly with a Bose ANC headset. Incredibly quiet. All of those things are antithetical to Pietenpoling though. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409305#409305 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind.
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 26, 2013
More on this interesting question! It turns out that the sailplane people use this type of airspeed indicator as well (venturi operated), and Winter is a well-known brand of this instrument. Here's a link: http://www.winter-instruments.de/english/ So here is the problem. I see under Technical Data that the instrument is one weight if it comes with a "Pitot" and another weight if it comes with a "Venturi". The implication is that the instrument can be used with either a Pitot and Static configuration, or with a Venturi and Static port. However, the document does not specifically say that, nor does it go into detail about the configuration using the venturi. it would take some testing to get it properly configured. This is actually an instrument designed for use in a glider or sail plane. Note that a conventional pitot (ram) air airspeed indicator such as the A-066-000 from Wag-Aero costs about $130 and is good for up to 120MPH. I'm sure there are other, equally affordable sources. However, if the writer is set on using the vacuum instrument, then carry on! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409311#409311 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: just right--- 85 years running
From: "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 26, 2013
Good to hear Ken. We (CAP) took lots of pictures of infrastructure damage, as well as property in general. I heard on the news today the losses in roadways and bridges are over 500 miles of road, and 50 bridges a total loss. The damage just for infrastructure is estimated at half a billion dollars. I am glad to hear your planes made it safe, would suck to put in a lot of work and lose it overnight, as many have lost so much. Kelly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409314#409314 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: discolor-ation
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 27, 2013
I've noticed lately that the right gear attracts soot or exhaust dust after flights. I've noticed this over the previous 10hrs. It does wipe off easily. I am concerned about exhaust heat on leading edge of said gear fabric. I put my hand on the rear strut inflight (as pictured), and it feels about like 80 degrees in the wake. The exhaust/engine/landing gear is standard J3 Cub. Perhaps someone with a Cub, or similarly configured GN-1 could shed some light on it. Is this a real concern? Maybe I could just ad a metal shroud on leading edge of gear fabrique.. Lerrr -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409336#409336 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/heat_index_797.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Looks great , Paul. I am supposed to be getting a door cut in the front cockpit of my fuselage. I will post pictures once it happens. I will post weight as well. One question - bungees, die spring or straight axle gear? Supposed to pick it up at Barnwell in November. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409337#409337 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Chuck Campbell <cncampbell(at)outlook.com>
Subject: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind.
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Man=2C I would certainly like to see an airspeed indicator that operates of f a Venturi. I've been flying since 1943 and have never heard of such a de vice. C > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. > From: taildrags(at)hotmail.com > Date: Thu=2C 26 Sep 2013 15:42:42 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > More on this interesting question! It turns out that the sailplane peopl e use this type of airspeed indicator as well (venturi operated)=2C and Win ter is a well-known brand of this instrument. Here's a link: > > http://www.winter-instruments.de/english/ > > So here is the problem. I see under Technical Data that the instrument i s one weight if it comes with a "Pitot" and another weight if it comes with a "Venturi". The implication is that the instrument can be used with eith er a Pitot and Static configuration=2C or with a Venturi and Static port. However=2C the document does not specifically say that=2C nor does it go in to detail about the configuration using the venturi. it would take some te sting to get it properly configured. This is actually an instrument design ed for use in a glider or sail plane. > > Note that a conventional pitot (ram) air airspeed indicator such as the A -066-000 from Wag-Aero costs about $130 and is good for up to 120MPH. I'm sure there are other=2C equally affordable sources. However=2C if the writ er is set on using the vacuum instrument=2C then carry on! > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford=2C OR > Air Camper NX41CC "=3BScout"=3B > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409311#409311 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: discolor-ation
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 27, 2013
I personally think it looks cool! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409342#409342 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: discolor-ation
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 27, 2013
I wouldn't worry about it at all. In fact the fabric on the belly of the plane probably sees more heat. Mt landing gear paint is discolored from exhaust heat (not soot). Think of it this way. Fabric planes sit outside in the 110degree desert for years without fabric issues. If you have some soot on the gear legs then I would guess that your engine may be idling a little rich or you are taxing back to the hangar with the carb heat on. The carb heat makes the engine run rich. My 3 cents, Don't worry about it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409343#409343 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind.
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Chuck, I have been flying 32 years and had never heard of it either, but here ya go- http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?id=A19570800000 -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409346#409346 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_291.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 27, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: discolor-ation
"I personally think it looks cool!"=0A=0AI agree, if there is no damage bei ng done...=0A=0A-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <don.h(at)wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind.
Date: Sep 27, 2013
you guys just arent old enouff ( doesnt that make you feel good??) I had one on my t-craft a bug made a home in it and no air speed !! My instructer made me fly around for a week just so I could get used to flying with out that air speed gismo to look at all the time I did land a lot slower the ole t craft was afloater but with out the air speed you slowed right down on the finaal and put it on the numbers wait there wernt any numkbers in the grass -----Original Message----- From: jarheadpilot82 Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mitchell airspeed ind. Chuck, I have been flying 32 years and had never heard of it either, but here ya go- http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?id=A19570800000 -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409346#409346 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_291.jpg ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: discolor-ation
Date: Sep 27, 2013
I agree with Scott. Besides, your exhaust looks to be about the same distance from the gear strut as it is on a J-3 and they don't seem to have issues with it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 9:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: discolor-ation I wouldn't worry about it at all. In fact the fabric on the belly of the plane probably sees more heat. Mt landing gear paint is discolored from exhaust heat (not soot). Think of it this way. Fabric planes sit outside in the 110degree desert for years without fabric issues. If you have some soot on the gear legs then I would guess that your engine may be idling a little rich or you are taxing back to the hangar with the carb heat on. The carb heat makes the engine run rich. My 3 cents, Don't worry about it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409343#409343 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Subject: Re: A modest proposal
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Ken and I are "Out West" here in Colorado with our soon to fly Piets just South of Cheyenne, WY where one of the main hubs for this was located. Wonder if any of those cement arrows are somewhere in Eastern Wyoming, would be fun to at least locate one and get some pictures with a Piet in the background. rick h On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:04 AM, tools wrote: > > My dad sent me a link about the big concrete arrows not too long ago and I > had the same idea. > > However, most of the arrows are gone from civilization... there's still a > bunch of them in the boon docks, mostly out west from what I can gather. I > was unable to really tell if it's documented well enough that the route > could be flown anyway. Of course, much of it transverses airspace that I > can't go without a transponder or radio... > > Anyway, I can fix, I can build, I can fly... but organization is NO WHERE > to be found in anything about me... I got nothing. I would be interested > in joining some sort of effort to fly legs, whatever. Help identify parts > near where I live, or something. > > As soon as I learned about these things, I thought it would be so cool to > fly that route. Sort of a route 66 for old airplanes sort of thing. > Interested to see if there's much other interest. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409253#409253 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: Re: A modest proposal
Date: Sep 27, 2013
There are several of those arrows here in Utah just north of SLC. Brian SLC-UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal Ken and I are "Out West" here in Colorado with our soon to fly Piets just South of Cheyenne, WY where one of the main hubs for this was located. Wonder if any of those cement arrows are somewhere in Eastern Wyoming, would be fun to at least locate one and get some pictures with a Piet in the background. rick h On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:04 AM, tools wrote: My dad sent me a link about the big concrete arrows not too long ago and I had the same idea. However, most of the arrows are gone from civilization... there's still a bunch of them in the boon docks, mostly out west from what I can gather. I was unable to really tell if it's documented well enough that the route could be flown anyway. Of course, much of it transverses airspace that I can't go without a transponder or radio... Anyway, I can fix, I can build, I can fly... but organization is NO WHERE to be found in anything about me... I got nothing. I would be interested in joining some sort of effort to fly legs, whatever. Help identify parts near where I live, or something. As soon as I learned about these things, I thought it would be so cool to fly that route. Sort of a route 66 for old airplanes sort of thing. Interested to see if there's much other interest. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409253#409253 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Subject: Re: A modest proposal
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
I may have to wander up to Cheyenne and head east toward North Platte to see if I can find some of the arrows that might still be there. Maybe I should have paid more attention in the past. Our regular flight path to Brodhead turns out to have been fairly close to the old airmail route from North Platte, to Omaha, and across Iowa. Cheers, Ken On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:04 AM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote: > There are several of those arrows here in Utah just north of SLC. **** > > ** ** > > Brian**** > > SLC-UT**** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland > *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2013 10:40 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal**** > > ** ** > > Ken and I are "Out West" here in Colorado with our soon to fly Piets just > South of Cheyenne, WY where one of the main hubs for this was located. > Wonder if any of those cement arrows are somewhere in Eastern Wyoming, > would be fun to at least locate one and get some pictures with a Piet in > the background.**** > > ** ** > > rick h**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:04 AM, tools wrote:**** > > > My dad sent me a link about the big concrete arrows not too long ago and I > had the same idea. > > However, most of the arrows are gone from civilization... there's still a > bunch of them in the boon docks, mostly out west from what I can gather. I > was unable to really tell if it's documented well enough that the route > could be flown anyway. Of course, much of it transverses airspace that I > can't go without a transponder or radio... > > Anyway, I can fix, I can build, I can fly... but organization is NO WHERE > to be found in anything about me... I got nothing. I would be interested > in joining some sort of effort to fly legs, whatever. Help identify parts > near where I live, or something. > > As soon as I learned about these things, I thought it would be so cool to > fly that route. Sort of a route 66 for old airplanes sort of thing. > Interested to see if there's much other interest. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409253#409253 > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > **** > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > NX6819Z > > **** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: discolor-ation
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 27, 2013
What concerns me, is that it used to not be there. I wonder what causes it to be there w/in last 10 hrs. Maybe the next sortie.. I may tape a thermometer onto leading edge of gear leg and see what it reads. oil temp in flight seems steady at 165 deg during 3+ hrs flying yesterday...oil pressure, nominal, etc.. so I don't think anything is happening internally on the A65. I suppose I could just make peace with the idea that I could always abandon the machine inflight if it ever decides to catch fire...no biggie -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409370#409370 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Engine out.. again
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Ok. so I was told i'm only 7 landings away from a glider rating.. I flew today for the first time since my engine quit.. Lucky me... I was at pattern altitude this time.. just turned downwind.. lost power.. I cant imagine it was carb ice but that's my first guess at this point the plugs are tan and beautiful ... I drain gas from the gascolator... looks great. engine temps were good... oil pressure good... the intake was warm after I landed... but it wasn't doing much for the glide ? could have warmed a bit temp was 80 dew point 52 wind calm humidity 37% its getting old... landing on the taxiway and rolling right to the hangar was funny.... and the fireman at SDF were bored anyway. jeff I don't really want a continental faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409371#409371 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine out.. again
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Jeff; that's got to ruin your day, although it's adding to your proficiency in handling engine outage. FYI, check out this graph and plug in your ambient temp of 80F and dew point of 52F: http://www.kfackler.com/gtuf/carb_ice.html In this case, the green region does NOT mean "you're safe". It says "serious icing at glide power". -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409372#409372 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Subject: Re: Engine out.. again
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Glad you got down ok, what engine is giving you the problems? rh On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:18 PM, bender wrote: > jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> > > Ok. so I was told i'm only 7 landings away from a glider rating.. > > I flew today for the first time since my engine quit.. > Lucky me... I was at pattern altitude this time.. just turned downwind.. > lost power.. I cant imagine it was carb ice but that's my first guess at > this point > the plugs are tan and beautiful ... I drain gas from the gascolator... > looks great. engine temps were good... oil pressure good... > > the intake was warm after I landed... but it wasn't doing much for the > glide ? could have warmed a bit > temp was 80 dew point 52 wind calm humidity 37% > > its getting old... landing on the taxiway and rolling right to the hangar > was funny.... and the fireman at SDF were bored anyway. > > jeff > I don't really want a continental > faith > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409371#409371 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "l.morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: A modest proposal
Date: Sep 27, 2013
We have three of these arrows in Southern Indiana marking a portion of the route from Indianapolis to Cincinnati. One is on the field at Shelbyville, IN (SHB). ----- Original Message ----- From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 1:04 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal There are several of those arrows here in Utah just north of SLC. Brian SLC-UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:40 AM To: pietenpol-list Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A modest proposal Ken and I are "Out West" here in Colorado with our soon to fly Piets just South of Cheyenne, WY where one of the main hubs for this was located. Wonder if any of those cement arrows are somewhere in Eastern Wyoming, would be fun to at least locate one and get some pictures with a Piet in the background. rick h On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:04 AM, tools wrote: My dad sent me a link about the big concrete arrows not too long ago and I had the same idea. However, most of the arrows are gone from civilization... there's still a bunch of them in the boon docks, mostly out west from what I can gather. I was unable to really tell if it's documented well enough that the route could be flown anyway. Of course, much of it transverses airspace that I can't go without a transponder or radio... Anyway, I can fix, I can build, I can fly... but organization is NO WHERE to be found in anything about me... I got nothing. I would be interested in joining some sort of effort to fly legs, whatever. Help identify parts near where I live, or something. As soon as I learned about these things, I thought it would be so cool to fly that route. Sort of a route 66 for old airplanes sort of thing. Interested to see if there's much other interest. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409253#409253 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: discolor-ation
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Maybe it is just a light oil film from the breather. The cont. engines will push out extra oil if you run them at the full mark. I usually run mine between 3 and 3.5 quarts to keep the mess to a minimum. Oh, if your plane is covered with the Stitts / Poly Fiber it will not burn. Let me rephrase that. It will burn if you hold a flame to it. When you take the flame away it stops burning. If it is covered with dope, it could burn. Food for thought. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409375#409375 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine out.. again
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Model A Ford. .. I'm thinking I need some work on the carb heat box. . Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409376#409376 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine out.. again
From: "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Jeff, Would describe how it quit? I mean could you tell it was coming or did it quit suddenly? If slowly, how long from when you noticed RPM decrease until total loss? Thanks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409379#409379 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Subject: Re: discolor-ation
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Talking about burnability, has anyone with a Latex paint job done a test to see how Dacron coated with Latex burns (or not)? I may have to try that. rh On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:50 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> > > Maybe it is just a light oil film from the breather. The cont. engines > will push out extra oil if you run them at the full mark. I usually run > mine between 3 and 3.5 quarts to keep the mess to a minimum. > > Oh, if your plane is covered with the Stitts / Poly Fiber it will not > burn. Let me rephrase that. It will burn if you hold a flame to it. When > you take the flame away it stops burning. If it is covered with dope, it > could burn. > > Food for thought. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409375#409375 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 27, 2013
From: Mike Salerno <mdsalern(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Engine Selection
Dear Group, This is my first post to the list server. I am interested in building a Pietenpol and am wondering what is the largest engine I could safely install? I assume from reading, I will want to build a long fuselage version. I have found a 140hp O-320 that I thought might be a good start to the project, but I was wondering if something as large as 180hp 0-360 could safely be installed? I had a Grumman AA-1 Yankee and with the 0-235 that was in it, the climb rate was lethargic at best, especially on a hot Texas day. I'm looking for climb, not top speed. Thanks in advance for the help. Sincerely, Michael Salerno ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Subject: Re: Engine Selection
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
An O-235 is the largest aircraft engine I have heard of in a Piet. Should be plenty of power, at Broadhead you see 200+ pound guys giving rides to 200+ pounds passenger all the time with 40 HP Model-As and 65 HP C-65s. (Unless you are flying out of 10,000 ft elevation airports). rh On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Mike Salerno wrote: > Dear Group, > > This is my first post to the list server. I am interested in building a > Pietenpol and am wondering what is the largest engine I could safely > install? I assume from reading, I will want to build a long fuselage > version. > > I have found a 140hp O-320 that I thought might be a good start to the > project, but I was wondering if something as large as 180hp 0-360 could > safely be installed? > > I had a Grumman AA-1 Yankee and with the 0-235 that was in it, the climb > rate was lethargic at best, especially on a hot Texas day. I'm looking for > climb, not top speed. > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > Sincerely, > Michael Salerno > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: new guy
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 27, 2013
hi everyone , new builder glad to be here Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409386#409386 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: discolor-ation
From: Fastnaught John <fastnaught(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Scott, I noticed that you have wire wheels. My Piet will also have them but I need tore-do them Can you tell what rims you have and how many spoke, etc. My tires are 3X21". I appreciate the info. Jack airframe finished Model A engine just rebuilt ready to cover. On Sep 27, 2013, at 4:50 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Maybe it is just a light oil film from the breather. The cont. engines will push out extra oil if you run them at the full mark. I usually run mine between 3 and 3.5 quarts to keep the mess to a minimum. > > Oh, if your plane is covered with the Stitts / Poly Fiber it will not burn. Let me rephrase that. It will burn if you hold a flame to it. When you take the flame away it stops burning. If it is covered with dope, it could burn. > > Food for thought. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409375#409375 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: randy cary <randycary(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Engine Selection
Date: Sep 27, 2013
Lots of 100 hp Corvairs on Piets. Date: Fri=2C 27 Sep 2013 17:34:02 -0600 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Selection From: at7000ft(at)gmail.com An O-235 is the largest aircraft engine I have heard of in a Piet. Should b e plenty of power=2C at Broadhead you see 200+ pound guys giving rides to 2 00+ pounds passenger all the time with 40 HP Model-As and 65 HP C-65s. (Unl ess you are flying out of 10=2C000 ft elevation airports).=0A rh On Fri=2C Sep 27=2C 2013 at 5:17 PM=2C Mike Salerno wr ote: =0A Dear Group=2C=0A This is my first post to the list server. I am interested in building a Pie tenpol and am wondering what is the largest engine I could safely install? I assume from reading=2C I will want to build a long fuselage version.=0A =0A I have found a 140hp O-320 that I thought might be a good start to the proj ect=2C but I was wondering if something as large as 180hp 0-360 could safel y be installed?=0A I had a Grumman AA-1 Yankee and with the 0-235 that was in it=2C the climb rate was lethargic at best=2C especially on a hot Texas day. I'm looking fo r climb=2C not top speed.=0A Thanks in advance for the help.=0A Sincerely=2C =0A Michael Salerno =0A =0A =0A =0A " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A tp://forums.matronics.com=0A _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0A -- Rick Holland Castle Rock=2C Colorado NX6819Z =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine out.. again
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Date: Sep 28, 2013
Hi. After a forced landing from climb out with A75 up front the Air Accident Team included this graphic in the report of the case. In essence their report and all other information they had on file indicated carb ice could build in just about any sort of combination of temperature, humidity and flight sector. In my case after copious use of Carb Heat prior to take off and a full power climb out I thought I would be immune but no. A 500 foot take off at full power run over wet grass strip was perfect for carb icing. Take a look at your Carb heat setup and ensure it does what it's meant to do. Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new guy
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 28, 2013
Aviken, Welcome! But fill us in- Piet or Grega? Wood or steel tube? Short or long? Airfoil choice? Engine choice? How far along are you? Enquiring minds want to know! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409412#409412 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: steel tube fuselage tacked
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 28, 2013
Paul, I forgot to add that I should be getting my fuselage back from William Wynne at Corvair College #27 in November at Barnwell, SC. For anyone starting a project and considering a steel tube fuselage and/or a Corvair it is a great place to go and be a part of. P.F. Beck is happy to give rides in his Piet for anyone who asks, and it is a great place to explore the Corvair engine. WW is returning my steel tube fuselage with the die spring gear done, and the door cut in for the front cockpit, so that should be available for folks to see. Disclaimer - lest anyone thinks I am taking credit for someone else's work, I did not weld the frame. I purchased it from Mike Frazier from WV. He built it according to the Pietenpol plans (no wider and no longer). He did an outstanding job of building and I was merely blessed enough to find it on Barnstormers.com and buy it. The only mods I am doing are the die spring gear and door. So if someone wants to see what a steel tube plans built fuselage looks like, then come on. It will be a great weekend. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409413#409413 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Selection
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 28, 2013
Mike, Define big. By weight? Horsepower? several guys in the UK have O-235's, so that is the biggest I have seen by weight combined with horsepower, in my extremely limited experience around Pietenpols. What are you trying to accomplish? Do you have an engine at a good price? Are you thinking bigger is better in terms of HP and Airspeed? Have you played around with the Weight and Balance to see how much weight you can carry without really hurting your available payload desires? Let us know. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409415#409415 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 28, 2013
From: Andrea Vavassori <andrea(at)modelberg.it>
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
Hello Chuck, in data marted 24 settembre 2013, alle ore 0.33, hai scritto: > Mario, I located a fellow who has a Taylorcraft monoplane. The FAA > determined somehow that all the T crafts built before a certain date > had to have their wing struts replaced. He checked his struts that > they were OK but the FAA determined he had to replace them anyway. > So he did and I bought the replaced struts. They are as sound as > need be. If you can find a T craft owner who had to replace his > struts you might get a good deal on the old ones. Just a thought. To further elaborate on this, PA-18 Super Cub has a similar AD and this caused a lot of surplus/serviceable struts to appear. I have four rear struts set aside for the Pietenpol, and the plan is to have them slightly shortened while keeping the adjustable fork on the lower attachment point. Bye! Andrea ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 28, 2013
From: Andrea Vavassori <andrea(at)modelberg.it>
Subject: Wheel axle
Hello guys, Work on the Piet is slowly restarting after a forced stop of a few years (with a marriage and two funerals in between). At present, the two focusing points are the landing gear and the engine conversion. The former is the standard Jenny-style, of which the woodwork has been completely done and is still missing some of the metalwork. Something puzzles me, because among the various notes I took there's one saying the axle should be 1 1/2", .120 wall, while the 1933 Flying and Glider Manual specifies a wall thickness of 12GA which, according to my conversion tables, should be anything from .080 to .109 depending on which table I look at. Between the fact that I cannot remember where the choice of the .120 wall came from, and the uncertainty in the conversion of the original dimension, I'm still here at the starting blocks. What are all you guys using? SeeYa, Andrea -- I migliori saluti, Scrivi a: Andrea andrea(at)modelberg.it ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Newbie Arkansas builder
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 28, 2013
Im a 58 year old Crop Duster pilot from NE Arkansas. I have been a piet fan for years but just now got all the planets lined up right and ordered a set of plans from Andrew pietenpol. I will probably end up with a continental or Lycoming engine but I haven't decided on the long or short fuselage, might need some advice here. Im only 5/10 but kind of a big guy. Might need the extra room. Im trying to keep my cost down , but have found that all the good wood is on the west coast.. I can't plop down a thousand bucks for spars. have found a few good Douglas Fir boards but may have to laminate my spars . love the old look so thinking of spoke wheels . If I had my wishes I would run a small radial out front , but that might not be a practical choice as engines and parts are scarce. Any advice is very much appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409425#409425 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 28, 2013
From: Mike Salerno <mdsalern(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Selection
Big for me is HP/displacement. Looked to me that an 0-320 approximately the same weight as the original Ford Model A. I don't have anything available for weight and balance, so any help there would be appreciated. What I am trying to accomplish is a better rate of climb so I can fly on a hot Texas summer day better than just barely climbing. Michael ------------------------------ > >Mike, > >Define big. By weight? Horsepower? several guys in the UK have O-235's, so that is the biggest I have seen by weight combined with horsepower, in my extremely limited experience around Pietenpols. > >What are you trying to accomplish? Do you have an engine at a good price? Are you thinking bigger is better in terms of HP and Airspeed? Have you played around with the Weight and Balance to see how much weight you can carry without really hurting your available payload desires? > >Let us know. > >-------- >Semper Fi, > >Terry Hand >Athens, GA > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409415#409415 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: discolor-ation
Date: Sep 28, 2013
Because Rick Holland asked, we, at Lincoln/Harder Regional Airport Testing Facility, have conducted that test: <http://youtu.be/vyOiQW5RmFo> http://youtu.be/vyOiQW5RmFo Recent tests include: Shock test on wing struts, and dropping aircraft from 3' on to runway. Upcoming test: Landing in 50 kt head wind (is landing backwards really possible?). Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 3:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: discolor-ation Talking about burnability, has anyone with a Latex paint job done a test to see how Dacron coated with Latex burns (or not)? I may have to try that. rh On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:50 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: Maybe it is just a light oil film from the breather. The cont. engines will push out extra oil if you run them at the full mark. I usually run mine between 3 and 3.5 quarts to keep the mess to a minimum. Oh, if your plane is covered with the Stitts / Poly Fiber it will not burn. Let me rephrase that. It will burn if you hold a flame to it. When you take the flame away it stops burning. If it is covered with dope, it could burn. Food for thought. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409375#409375 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 28, 2013
I have a set of J3 struts that I'm planning on using. The fronts are larger than the rears. Does anyone think this could be a problem? I assume its best to use the larger one up front??? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Sep 28, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Andrea Vavassori wrote: > > Hello Chuck, > > in data marted 24 settembre 2013, alle ore 0.33, hai scritto: > >> Mario, I located a fellow who has a Taylorcraft monoplane. The FAA >> determined somehow that all the T crafts built before a certain date >> had to have their wing struts replaced. He checked his struts that >> they were OK but the FAA determined he had to replace them anyway. >> So he did and I bought the replaced struts. They are as sound as >> need be. If you can find a T craft owner who had to replace his >> struts you might get a good deal on the old ones. Just a thought. > > To further elaborate on this, PA-18 Super Cub has a similar AD and > this caused a lot of surplus/serviceable struts to appear. I have four > rear struts set aside for the Pietenpol, and the plan is to have them > slightly shortened while keeping the adjustable fork on the lower > attachment point. > > Bye! > > Andrea > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 28, 2013
Subject: Re: Engine Selection
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Michael, one thing to consider is the all-up weight of an airplane with the O320 versus a more common Pietenpol powerplant. O320's usually have starters, electrical systems, and metal propellers. The Model A to which you are comparing the O320 generally would be hand propped, lack an electrical system, and sport a wooden prop. Moreover, with a fuel burn of at least 8 gph, you are going to want a bigger fuel tank. That will add weight, too. The Pietenpol wing isn't designed to handle the gross weights of airplanes that commonly use the O320 such as the Yankee, Cheetah, Cherokee, or Skyhawk. Please don't think I'm opposed to the O320. I have one on my Piper Pacer. But I wouldn't want it on my Pietenpol. As a point of reference, density altitude here in northern Colorado is probably a bit higher than anywhere in Texas, regardless of whatever heat you may experience. We typically experience density altitudes in summer of 7500 to 9000 feet. Today it was only 6000 feet. There is a Pietenpol based near me that has a 75 hp Continental on it (hand propped, no electrics, wooden propeller). It does just fine even when density altitude is high, though to be sure it is a single place airplane most of the time. Its climb rate is elegant. Not fast, but stately. The under camber of the Pietenpol wing creates a lot of lift, almost like having flaps deployed all the time. I have some hours in Grummans (mostly Cheetahs). That isn't true of the AA1s and AA5s, which were designed more for eking out cruise speed. Having said that, the Corvair is what I am going with. At close to 100 hp (at sea level), it offers a good compromise between weight, lower fuel burn (than the O320), and decent horse power, even when discounting for losses due to elevation. Good luck with this, Ken On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Mike Salerno wrote: > > > Big for me is HP/displacement. Looked to me that an 0-320 approximately > the same weight as the original Ford Model A. > > I don't have anything available for weight and balance, so any help there > would be appreciated. What I am trying to accomplish is a better rate of > climb so I can fly on a hot Texas summer day better than just barely > climbing. > > Michael > > > ------------------------------ > > jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> > > > >Mike, > > > >Define big. By weight? Horsepower? several guys in the UK have O-235's, > so that is the biggest I have seen by weight combined with horsepower, in > my extremely limited experience around Pietenpols. > > > >What are you trying to accomplish? Do you have an engine at a good price? > Are you thinking bigger is better in terms of HP and Airspeed? Have you > played around with the Weight and Balance to see how much weight you can > carry without really hurting your available payload desires? > > > >Let us know. > > > >-------- > >Semper Fi, > > > >Terry Hand > >Athens, GA > > > > > > > > > >Read this topic online here: > > > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409415#409415 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
From: "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net>
Date: Sep 28, 2013
Jack, I believe my brothers Piet. has the J-3 struts. Front ones are bigger. If its different I'll let you know, but I'm pretty positive that is the way his is. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409437#409437 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 28, 2013
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Subject: Re: Newbie Arkansas builder
Not sure why the good wood is only to be found on the west coast for $1k. Swifton, AR is about 270 miles driving distance from Wicks Aircraft in Highland, IL (just east of St Louis), and 30 feet of aircraft grade spruce spar stock at Wicks would cost you a hair over $300 (at the current price in their online catalog)... Just out of curiosity....how big is big? Ryan On 9/28/2013 2:11 PM, aviken wrote: > > Im a 58 year old Crop Duster pilot from NE Arkansas. I have been a piet fan for years but just now got all the planets lined up right and ordered a set of plans from Andrew pietenpol. I will probably end up with a continental or Lycoming engine but I haven't decided on the long or short fuselage, might need some advice here. Im only 5/10 but kind of a big guy. Might need the extra room. Im trying to keep my cost down , but have found that all the good wood is on the west coast.. I can't plop down a thousand bucks for spars. have found a few good Douglas Fir boards but may have to laminate my spars . love the old look so thinking of spoke wheels . If I had my wishes I would run a small radial out front , but that might not be a practical choice as engines and parts are scarce. Any advice is very much appreciated. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409425#409425 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 29, 2013
Thanks Larry Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Larry Vetter" wrote: > > Jack, > I believe my brothers Piet. has the J-3 struts. Front ones are bigger. If its different I'll let you know, but I'm pretty positive that is the way his is. > Larry > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409437#409437 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
Date: Sep 29, 2013
J-3 Front struts are bigger than the rear struts, but they also have lugs for the aileron cable fairleads welded in place. I was fortunate to find two sets of Cub struts. I used the 4 front struts for my Pietenpol (after grinding off those lugs) and sold the rear ones to Rick Holland for use on his Pietenpol. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts Thanks Larry Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Larry Vetter" wrote: > > Jack, > I believe my brothers Piet. has the J-3 struts. Front ones are bigger. If its different I'll let you know, but I'm pretty positive that is the way his is. > Larry > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409437#409437 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com>
Date: Sep 29, 2013
I've searched the forum and found bits and pieces of info on using a Scott tail wheel (Post by Jack Textor) with leaf springs a while ago. Is anyone actually using either of these tail wheels on their Piets? For those of you who are experts on Piets ... is there a solid reason why one would not want to use either of these tail wheels? Looking for pictures of the installation if you have done this mod. many thanks, -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409449#409449 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 29, 2013
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
Another frugal route is to hunt down some old Pacer/Colt struts that were r emoved for upgrade to the new sealed univair struts.- They are lying arou nd a lot of airports.- You will need to inspect them carefully though, Th ese struts are the subject of a recurring AD, where they need to be punch t ested for rust.-- I have seen them on a few Piets, I do have to add the y look a little "King Kong Mamma Jamma" (BIG) for a piet, but they are stre amlined and they work.=0A-=0AShad=0A=0A=0A_______________________________ _=0AFrom: Jack Phillips <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@mat ronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:24 AM=0ASubject: RE: Piete npol-List: Re: round tube wing struts=0A=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message po sted by: "Jack Phillips" =0A=0AJ-3 Front struts a re bigger than the rear struts, but they also have lugs=0Afor the aileron c able fairleads welded in place.- I was fortunate to find=0Atwo sets of Cu b struts.- I used the 4 front struts for my Pietenpol (after=0Agrinding o ff those lugs) and sold the rear ones to Rick Holland for use on=0Ahis Piet enpol.=0A=0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A=0A =0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matron ics.com=0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J ack=0ASent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:25 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matroni cs.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts=0A=0A--> P ietenpol-List message posted by: Jack =0A=0AThanks Larry =0A=0ASent from my iPad=0AJack Textor=0A=0AOn Sep 28, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "L arry Vetter" wrote:=0A=0A> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Vetter" =0A> =0A> Jack,=0A> I believe my brothers Piet. has the J-3 struts. Front ones are bigger. If=0Aits diff erent I'll let you know, but I'm pretty positive that is the way his=0Ais. =0A> Larry=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> ht tp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409437#409437=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: "M. Zeke Zechini" <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 29, 2013
Jim, Zeke here...my bird at Flying Circus today....my GN-1 has weird setup. Use the Piet V bar & coil, a short 2-piece leaf and Scott wheel. Steers great, unlocks, however, the criss-cross cables through phenolic pulleys from rudder horn I DON'T like. I will send a pic. Sent from my iPad On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:00 AM, "Fun2av8" wrote: > > I've searched the forum and found bits and pieces of info on using a Scott tail wheel (Post by Jack Textor) with leaf springs a while ago. > > Is anyone actually using either of these tail wheels on their Piets? > > For those of you who are experts on Piets ... is there a solid reason why one would not want to use either of these tail wheels? > > Looking for pictures of the installation if you have done this mod. > > many thanks, > > -------- > Jim McWhorter > N687MB (New Owner) > Culpeper, VA KCJR > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409449#409449 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 29, 2013
I've got a Matco with leafs... is that similar? I'm about to mount it on a rebuilt tail post, so could get some good pics of the whole installation if it is the same. It's a great tailwheel, works perfectly and is very use friendly. Let me know. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409453#409453 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 29, 2013
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
They work, and they are cheap. Mine were given to me, and the front struts didn't even need to be shortened. They even already came with the lower forks. I just shortened the rear strut to the required length so that it looks just like the front strut. They were so full of oil, that the welding got exciting a few times, and they are a little beefier than needed. Ben On 9/29/2013 10:38 AM, shad bell wrote: > Another frugal route is to hunt down some old Pacer/Colt struts that > were removed for upgrade to the new sealed univair struts. They are > lying around a lot of airports. You will need to inspect them > carefully though, These struts are the subject of a recurring AD, > where they need to be punch tested for rust. I have seen them on a > few Piets, I do have to add they look a little "King Kong Mamma Jamma" > (BIG) for a piet, but they are streamlined and they work. > Shad > > *From:* Jack Phillips > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:24 AM > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts > > > > > J-3 Front struts are bigger than the rear struts, but they also have lugs > for the aileron cable fairleads welded in place. I was fortunate to find > two sets of Cub struts. I used the 4 front struts for my Pietenpol (after > grinding off those lugs) and sold the rear ones to Rick Holland for use on > his Pietenpol. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:25 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts > > > > > Thanks Larry > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Larry Vetter" > wrote: > > > > > > > Jack, > > I believe my brothers Piet. has the J-3 struts. Front ones are > bigger. If > its different I'll let you know, but I'm pretty positive that is the > way his > is. > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409437#409437 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <======================= > > > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: looking for Larry Williams
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 29, 2013
Hi everyone , the new guy here... I am so enjoying reading all the posts and im getting smarter every minute. I have been searching for builders in my area "Arkansas", and found Larry Williams in Lonoke Arkansas , which is only Hour or so away. I cant find any e-mail or phone for him , but would love to make contact, any help would be appreciated. I did get an email from Jim Markle from Eastern Oklahoma that I really appreciated, He said there was another builder there close to him and I hope to get to visit with them sometime. Just trying to gather all the info I can before I start glueing wood together. I think I will have to put some parts together soon , or Im gonna blow a gasket. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409461#409461 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: looking for Larry Williams
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 29, 2013
Try this: lnawms(at)yahoo.com He's a great resource. Scott Knowlton Burlington Ontario Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 29, 2013, at 10:03 PM, "aviken" wrote: > > > Hi everyone , the new guy here... I am so enjoying reading all the posts and im getting smarter every minute. I have been searching for builders in my area "Arkansas", and found Larry Williams in Lonoke Arkansas , which is only Hour or so away. I cant find any e-mail or phone for him , but would love to make contact, any help would be appreciated. I did get an email from Jim Markle from Eastern Oklahoma that I really appreciated, He said there was another builder there close to him and I hope to get to visit with them sometime. Just trying to gather all the info I can before I start glueing wood together. I think I will have to put some parts together soon , or Im gonna blow a gasket. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409461#409461 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 30, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: New Builders
=0A=0A-I wanted to take a moment and welcome the new builders here to the list.- I have seen most posts and you guys are already getting great adv ice, so I need not add any at this time. Welcome aboard and enjoy the proce ss that is aircraft construction.=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karet akeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 30, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Ear Muff Fab.
=0A=0A-Crew, I have the material in hand and am wanting to start fabricat ion of the "ear muffs" for the engine.- Rather than try and search around for pictures on the web, I am hoping some of you won't mind posting you ea r muff pictures here, or directly to me. I am trying to get a feel for the various ways they are made, how they are shaped, how they attach to the eng ine, size, etc. I am also curious if there are any reinforcement patches us ed, (to reduce cracking)- spark plug wire holes/locations, etc.- How ab out internal baffles?=0A=0AAny photos and or advice would be greatly apprec iated. As we approach a government shut down, I may have a lot of time on m y hands and getting these made would be some good progress.=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0A Karetaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wheel axle
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
On the advice of two Piet builders (flying Piets) I have a 1 1/4" .120 wall 4130 axle. Its at a machine shop now getting threads cut. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409469#409469 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: looking for Larry Williams
From: "caldwrl" <caldwrl(at)etex.net>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Don't know how far you will travel, but I am located in northeast Texas, about 25 miles north of Tyler. If you would like to see my Piet before it gets covered, head on down. I am just beginning covering of the tail feathers, so come check it out any time. In my experience, there's nothing like seeing a Piet's construction before covering. -------- Robert Caldwell Holly Lake Ranch, TX Hanger at Mineola-Wisener (3F9) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409477#409477 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Have the same setup, taxis just fine so far. rh On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:50 AM, tools wrote: > > I've got a Matco with leafs... is that similar? I'm about to mount it on > a rebuilt tail post, so could get some good pics of the whole installation > if it is the same. > > It's a great tailwheel, works perfectly and is very use friendly. > > Let me know. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409453#409453 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
My airplane has a Scott tailwheel with leaf springs. I believe the one I have is the Model 2000, 6" solid rubber, steerable. I really like the setup and it tracks and steers perfectly. You can get an idea of what it looks like here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dolly.html I can take closer pictures of the setup if you're interested. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409481#409481 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Rick, when are you going to give that tailwheel (and the mains, too) a chance to rest? They need to have some time suspended in midair. I'm pretty sure that's how they rebuild their strength. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Rick Holland wrote: > Have the same setup, taxis just fine so far. > > rh > > > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:50 AM, tools wrote: > >> >> I've got a Matco with leafs... is that similar? I'm about to mount it on >> a rebuilt tail post, so could get some good pics of the whole installation >> if it is the same. >> >> It's a great tailwheel, works perfectly and is very use friendly. >> >> Let me know. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409453#409453 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > NX6819Z > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: looking for Larry Williams
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
'Aviken'- If you find Larry Williams, you'll have an excellent resource on the Pietenpol. You'll also have located the one known as "The Top Curmudgeon"... he pulls no punches ;o) If you have found Jim Markle, you will have found one of the very best people on this list. However, you may now be missing some tools from your shop. Just kidding, but to be on the safe side, guard your valuables when Jim is around ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409483#409483 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Funny Ken, I got hold of an instructor this weekend that has a Decathlon at Meadow Lake and does tailwheel/aerobatic instruction. Hopefully an hour or two of takeoffs and landing in the back seat of that and I will be ready (or as ready as I am going to get). rick On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Ken Bickers wrote: > Rick, when are you going to give that tailwheel (and the mains, too) a > chance to rest? They need to have some time suspended in midair. I'm > pretty sure that's how they rebuild their strength. Cheers, Ken > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Rick Holland wrote: > >> Have the same setup, taxis just fine so far. >> >> rh >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:50 AM, tools wrote: >> >>> >>> I've got a Matco with leafs... is that similar? I'm about to mount it >>> on a rebuilt tail post, so could get some good pics of the whole >>> installation if it is the same. >>> >>> It's a great tailwheel, works perfectly and is very use friendly. >>> >>> Let me know. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409453#409453 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> ========== >>> http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> le, List Admin. >>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Rick Holland >> Castle Rock, Colorado >> NX6819Z >> >> >> > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
And I would like to thank you again Jack for the great deal on those struts, they will soon be holding my wings on when I take this thing up for the first time soon. rick h On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> > > J-3 Front struts are bigger than the rear struts, but they also have lugs > for the aileron cable fairleads welded in place. I was fortunate to find > two sets of Cub struts. I used the 4 front struts for my Pietenpol (after > grinding off those lugs) and sold the rear ones to Rick Holland for use on > his Pietenpol. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:25 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: round tube wing struts > > > Thanks Larry > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:16 PM, "Larry Vetter" wrote: > > > > > > > Jack, > > I believe my brothers Piet. has the J-3 struts. Front ones are bigger. If > its different I'll let you know, but I'm pretty positive that is the way > his > is. > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409437#409437 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ear Muff Fab.
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Michael; are you talking about the cooling scoops/eyebrows? You can take a look at this page to see what I've done, or am in progress of doing, on Scout: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/eyebrows.html They attach to the engine in two places: at the top or inside, there is a mounting flange that secures to two of the engine case bolts. At the outside, they attach to two of the rocker cover screws. Total of four mounting points per eyebrow. Let me know if you need any other info, but the pictures are informative and as you can see, they are virtually identical to the scoops that are flying on hundreds, if not thousands, of Cubs and their cousins. You can get an idea of the problem areas on these parts by looking at pictures of old scoops, like the ones here: http://www.piperads.com/ads/j3-cub-cooling-scoops/ Anyplace you see stop-drilled cracks or doublers, that's a problem area. The scoops get buffeted by propwash, leading to metal fatigue at the fastener connections. If you figure 2300 RPM for 1000 engine hours, two propeller blades will create an impulse 276 million times over that timespan. What's the fatigue life of aluminum? Ten to the 7th cycles? ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409489#409489 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: round tube wing struts
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Just a thought ... you could make plywood ribs, epoxy to round tube, use an aluminum tube trailing edge. then cover with fabric. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409491#409491 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lift_strut_fabric_covered_204.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol AirCamper project for sale
From: "canaweb" <canaweb(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
FOR SALE BY BUILDER with Ford B motor & mount, spare block, spruce fuselage, & tail feathers. Contact for more info. Contact Carmen A. Natalie, Owner - located Ravena, NY USA Telephone: 518-653-6066 Here are a few photos from when I first began the project. Parts have all sat around for a long while. I'll get a few pics of the motor and other parts. I have the model B engine and mount as well as tail feathers and rear lift struts. Chad Willie made me an entire fitting set. I believe I still have most of the instruments, but I can look to see what I still have if you have an interest. http://www.flickr.com/photos/canaweb/sets/72157635369569158/ Sitka was used throughout - obtained from a lumberyard in Stormville that used to cater to the EAA crowd. A wood had proper # or rings /inch, etc.. Glue was aerolite.. one fuselage side was left off but I have it, ready to glue on. I'm sure by now there are better glues available. Ply was marine, if memory serves.. First batch of photos is when I first started the project, last ones are current state. Gear is split type and was once on a Pietenpol owned by Ernest Gann. I found all instruments, and also believe I have some turnbuckles & shackles. Empty block was used for spacing, but the B with all internals would need to be rebuilt. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409494#409494 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol AirCamper project for sale
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Wow, that looks like a nice project for someone east of the Mississippi to take a look at. The historical significance of the landing gear alone would make it of interest to me, if I were looking to build a classic styled Piet. Lots of metal fittings there, too. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409498#409498 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ear Muff Fab.
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Michael, Engine earmuffs? What are those? Those things for outboard boat motors to c ycle water when they're run out-of-water? I think the phrase you're searching for is "eyebrow scoops." Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137(at)gmail.com On Sep 30, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > > Crew, I have the material in hand and am wanting to start fabrication of t he "ear muffs" for the engine. Rather than try and search around for pictur es on the web, I am hoping some of you won't mind posting you ear muff pictu res here, or directly to me. I am trying to get a feel for the various ways t hey are made, how they are shaped, how they attach to the engine, size, etc. I am also curious if there are any reinforcement patches used, (to reduce c racking) spark plug wire holes/locations, etc. How about internal baffles? > > Any photos and or advice would be greatly appreciated. As we approach a go vernment shut down, I may have a lot of time on my hands and getting these m ade would be some good progress. > > If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Subject: Re: Ear Muff Fab.
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Dan, Wouldn't those be cooling eyebrows? On Monday, September 30, 2013, Dan Yocum wrote: > Michael, > > Engine earmuffs? What are those? Those things for outboard boat motors > to cycle water when they're run out-of-water? > > I think the phrase you're searching for is "eyebrow scoops." > > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > yocum137(at)gmail.com > > On Sep 30, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Michael Perez > > wrote: > > > Crew, I have the material in hand and am wanting to start fabrication of > the "ear muffs" for the engine. Rather than try and search around for > pictures on the web, I am hoping some of you won't mind posting you ear > muff pictures here, or directly to me. I am trying to get a feel for the > various ways they are made, how they are shaped, how they attach to the > engine, size, etc. I am also curious if there are any reinforcement patches > used, (to reduce cracking) spark plug wire holes/locations, etc. How > about internal baffles? > > Any photos and or advice would be greatly appreciated. As we approach a > government shut down, I may have a lot of time on my hands and getting > these made would be some good progress. > > If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > ================================== > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ===================================cs.com > ===================================matronics.com/contribution > ================================== > * > > * > > * > > -- Sent from my mobile Ryan Mueller ryan(at)rmueller.org ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ear Muff Fab.
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Ear muffs? Never heard them called that before. Never thought of the engine as having ears. I suppose eyebrows doesn't really make sense either, since the engine has the same number of eyes as it does ears. But cooling eyebrows is usually the terminology used (assuming you're referring to the scoops that are used to direct cooling air over the cylinders, as per the J3 Cub and similar aircraft with exposed cylinders). Referring to them as "ear muffs" will likely elicit a few raised eyebrows (pun intended). Just sayin'. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409502#409502 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "l.morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Date: Sep 30, 2013
I thought you all (y'all) might be interested in what I found when I went to make a repair on my tailpost. I had a tailwheel with a leaf spring that stuck out the back about 14 inches. I managed to do a ground loop while taxiing and the long tailwheel had enough leverage that it broke the tailpost when the tailwheel hit the edge of the taxiway. It didn't help that my tailpost had some rot in it. When I removed the fabric to make a 10 in. scarf joint in the longerons, much to my surprise there already were two scarf joints in the longerons! (see photo). The old ones were made horizontal with Resourcinal and looked good, so I made mine vertical (with West System). I bought this Piet as a project and uncovered the wing and tailfeathers, but didn't uncover the fuselage - should have. From some wear evidenced on some fuselage parts, I suspected it might have flown sometime in its life. Now I'm even more convinced of that, as it appears this is not the first tailpost failure for this ship. For those with this type of tailwheel, better keep it going straight (not a bad idea, huh?) Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ear Muff Fab.
Date: Sep 30, 2013
You know, I think you're right, Ryan. There was even a thread about cooling eyebrows on the list a while back - ev en had a PDF of an eyebrow template: http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=90399&sid=1e084bbbf9b1ee 71b3d2c0bb77ad5a29 Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137(at)gmail.com On Sep 30, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Dan, > > Wouldn't those be cooling eyebrows? > > On Monday, September 30, 2013, Dan Yocum wrote: >> Michael, >> >> Engine earmuffs? What are those? Those things for outboard boat motors t o cycle water when they're run out-of-water? >> >> I think the phrase you're searching for is "eyebrow scoops." >> >> Dan >> >> -- >> Dan Yocum >> yocum137(at)gmail.com >> >> On Sep 30, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Michael Perez wro te: >> >>> >>> Crew, I have the material in hand and am wanting to start fabrication o f the "ear muffs" for the engine. Rather than try and search around for pic tures on the web, I am hoping some of you won't mind posting you ear muff pi ctures here, or directly to me. I am trying to get a feel for the various wa ys they are made, how they are shaped, how they attach to the engine, size, e tc. I am also curious if there are any reinforcement patches used, (to reduc e cracking) spark plug wire holes/locations, etc. How about internal baffl es? >>> >>> Any photos and or advice would be greatly appreciated. As we approach a g overnment shut down, I may have a lot of time on my hands and getting these m ade would be some good progress. >>> >>> If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. >>> Michael Perez >>> Pietenpol HINT Videos >>> Karetaker Aero >>> www.karetakeraero.com >>> >>> >>> ========= >>> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> ========= >>> cs.com >>> ========= >>> matronics.com/contribution >>> ========= >>> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > -- > Sent from my mobile > Ryan Mueller > ryan(at)rmueller.org > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Larry May want to glue in a big triangular slab of spruce between those bottom longerons with 1/8" birch ply gussets on top and bottom of that. rick On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:15 PM, l.morlock wrote: > I thought you all (y'all) might be interested in what I found when I went > to make a repair on my tailpost. I had a tailwheel with a leaf spring that > stuck out the back about 14 inches. I managed to do a ground loop while > taxiing and the long tailwheel had enough leverage that it broke the > tailpost when the tailwheel hit the edge of the taxiway. It didn't help > that my tailpost had some rot in it. > > When I removed the fabric to make a 10 in. scarf joint in the longerons, > much to my surprise there already were two scarf joints in the longerons! > (see photo). The old ones were made horizontal with Resourcinal and looked > good, so I made mine vertical (with West System). > > I bought this Piet as a project and uncovered the wing and tailfeathers, > but didn't uncover the fuselage - should have. From some wear evidenced on > some fuselage parts, I suspected it might have flown sometime in its life. > Now I'm even more convinced of that, as it appears this is not the first > tailpost failure for this ship. > > For those with this type of tailwheel, better keep it going straight (not > a bad idea, huh?) > > Larry -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Ear Muff Fab.
Date: Sep 30, 2013
These ear muffs have worked good for me. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 4:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ear Muff Fab. Crew, I have the material in hand and am wanting to start fabrication of the "ear muffs" for the engine. Rather than try and search around for pictures on the web, I am hoping some of you won't mind posting you ear muff pictures here, or directly to me. I am trying to get a feel for the various ways they are made, how they are shaped, how they attach to the engine, size, etc. I am also curious if there are any reinforcement patches used, (to reduce cracking) spark plug wire holes/locations, etc. How about internal baffles? Any photos and or advice would be greatly appreciated. As we approach a government shut down, I may have a lot of time on my hands and getting these made would be some good progress. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A modest proposal
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Whew, at least you aren't proposing to eat children as a substitute for potatoes. My apologies to Jonathan Swift. :D :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409514#409514 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "l.morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Rick, I didn't quite do that but came close. I glued two more longeron-size lengths of spruce on the inside, plus a gusset on the bottom. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel Larry May want to glue in a big triangular slab of spruce between those bottom longerons with 1/8" birch ply gussets on top and bottom of that. rick On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:15 PM, l.morlock wrote: I thought you all (y'all) might be interested in what I found when I went to make a repair on my tailpost. I had a tailwheel with a leaf spring that stuck out the back about 14 inches. I managed to do a ground loop while taxiing and the long tailwheel had enough leverage that it broke the tailpost when the tailwheel hit the edge of the taxiway. It didn't help that my tailpost had some rot in it. When I removed the fabric to make a 10 in. scarf joint in the longerons, much to my surprise there already were two scarf joints in the longerons! (see photo). The old ones were made horizontal with Resourcinal and looked good, so I made mine vertical (with West System). I bought this Piet as a project and uncovered the wing and tailfeathers, but didn't uncover the fuselage - should have. From some wear evidenced on some fuselage parts, I suspected it might have flown sometime in its life. Now I'm even more convinced of that, as it appears this is not the first tailpost failure for this ship. For those with this type of tailwheel, better keep it going straight (not a bad idea, huh?) Larry -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Date: Sep 30, 2013
I agree with Rick, Larry. When I had a forced landing in my Piet, the ensuing groundloop cracked the right lower longeron. I ended up going away from the leaf spring tailwheel to the BHP A-Arm desgn, and glued a wedge of spruce in between the lower longerons with plywood doublers top and bottom, as shown in the pictures below: Here I've glued the spruce wedge (with lightening holes) in place between the lower longerons. Note that when I removed the plywood doubler along the tailpost, none of the glue joints failed, but the wood tore. This was glued with resorcinol. Here is the finished repair, before covering. The damage done by the twisting of the leaf spring in a groundloop convinced me to go to the A-Arm design. I think that design would tear away before it would cause such damage to the fuselage. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 6:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel Larry May want to glue in a big triangular slab of spruce between those bottom longerons with 1/8" birch ply gussets on top and bottom of that. rick On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:15 PM, l.morlock wrote: I thought you all (y'all) might be interested in what I found when I went to make a repair on my tailpost. I had a tailwheel with a leaf spring that stuck out the back about 14 inches. I managed to do a ground loop while taxiing and the long tailwheel had enough leverage that it broke the tailpost when the tailwheel hit the edge of the taxiway. It didn't help that my tailpost had some rot in it. When I removed the fabric to make a 10 in. scarf joint in the longerons, much to my surprise there already were two scarf joints in the longerons! (see photo). The old ones were made horizontal with Resourcinal and looked good, so I made mine vertical (with West System). I bought this Piet as a project and uncovered the wing and tailfeathers, but didn't uncover the fuselage - should have. From some wear evidenced on some fuselage parts, I suspected it might have flown sometime in its life. Now I'm even more convinced of that, as it appears this is not the first tailpost failure for this ship. For those with this type of tailwheel, better keep it going straight (not a bad idea, huh?) Larry -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: bungees
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
well I made another fun flight in my GN-1 this afternoon about 45 minutes before dark. followed by the smoothest landing I have even made in it. (could be partly due to a very weak bungee on the right side. by the time I turned at the hangar and shut down the leg was splayed out pretty bad. I had thought I would go to coil springs on them but as the time to fly just has not been that much and I feel pretty comfortable with the Cub gear as it is. I just need to find the lowest price but timely delivery source and get some in and change them.having never done it I am not at all sure what I need.I seem to remember 1080? as a strength rating but that may have been on my old Tri-pacer I used to have.any good recommendations? I looked up Chief aircraft and have ordered from them in the past but figured this would be a good place to ask first. thanks. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409519#409519 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
I am leaning more towards a the Scott 3200 Tail Wheel (Tube and Tire) as I have a spare in the hangar from my Maule. I've only recently got back into flying my Piet and I've noticed that the itty bitty Piet tail wheel really odd angle with 600 size tires. I am thinking that adding the Scott 3200 tail wheel will (1) give me better steering control in grass as well as on pavement, and (2) will reduce this the angle of the fuse when on the ground. Looks like a few folks have gone with the Scott 2000 tail wheel (solid rubber). It looks to be a couple inches larger. Has anyone gone to the larger tail wheel? Those of you in the know, do you know of an adverse reason for using the larger tail wheel. Thanks -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409524#409524 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scott_tail_wheel_mod_08_206.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Elevator control trim
From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
PineyMB What a brilliantly simple approach to adding an elevator trim tab. Do you other DIY pictures of how you ran the cable and the elevator trim tab control mechanism? -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409525#409525 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Jim; A couple of observations on the solid 6" Scott vs. the pneumatic 8" tailwheel. First, weight. Most Piets tend to be tail-heavy, and according to the Aircraft Spruce shipping weights, there is more than a 2 lb difference between the 2000 and the 3200. That's a lot. Second, aircraft angle in the 3-point attitude. The Piet's FC10 airfoil can still be producing lift with 5.00 or 6.00 mains and a big tailwheel. The original configuration is with a tailskid, which put the tail down lower. The people who are flying with spoked wheels and a tailskid probably have the plane nearer to a full-stall in the 3-point attitude than airplanes like mine, and that gives you the slowest landing speed and the shortest landing roll. Lastly, you should try taxiing a Piet with the 6" solid Scott on grass or pavement. It will turn on a dime. Matter of fact, I have thought of changing the spring tension on the tailwheel on mine to reduce the sensitivity just a bit, although I do like to have the ability to make it go precisely where I want it to go. Now I'll wait to hear from those who may be using the larger tailwheel to see if I've missed an even better deal than I have with the solid 6". -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409532#409532 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Elevator control trim
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2013
Wow. Peter's setup is absolutely gorgeous! Nice work, and professional. Mine, by contrast, is stone-age crude. I have a bungee cord that applies biasing force to the bellcrank on the walking beam. I made it adjustable, but have never adjusted it because it never needed adjusting. Except it's been in place for five years now and the bungee has all but lost its tension, so it's time to replace the bungee. Here are some pix: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/trim.html Since Scout has a 16 gallon nose tank, I'll never be able to trim it just right with the stone-age setup that I have. After I gas up, I need to hold a touch of back stick for awhile. As the fuel burns off, it starts to go neutral. With low fuel, I'm holding just a touch of forward stick. With Peter's setup, I could just nudge the trim wheel and I could keep the altimeter needle perfectly on my cruise altitude, but with my Fred Flintstone setup, I have to keep looking at the altimeter and reminding myself to hold back pressure on the stick. No... wait... was that forward pressure? I don't remember... let me look at the fuel indicator (which is a bent wire sticking up out of the fuel filler cap out on the nose!) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409533#409533 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
From: George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A modest proposal
Too hard to catch the little buggers=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________ ________=0A From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list @matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:48 AM=0ASubject: Pietenp ol-List: Re: A modest proposal=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted b y: "dgaldrich" =0A=0AWhew, at least you aren't pr oposing to eat children as a substitute for potatoes.- My apologies to Jo nathan Swift.- :D- :D=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409514#409514=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================0A =================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Ear Muff Fab.
Thank you Oscar. Those are great looking muffs and the intel. you provided is excellent. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Ear Muff Fab.
You are all correct, I was referring to the eyebrow cooling inlets as Oscar figured out. Not sure where ear muff came from...I think I might be going mad. =0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APie tenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com=0A=0A=0A_______ _________________________=0A From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>=0AT o: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, September 30, 2013 4:52 PM =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ear Muff Fab.=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List m essage posted by: "Bill Church" =0A=0AEar muffs?=0A Never heard them called that before.- Never thought of the engine as havi ng ears.=0AI suppose eyebrows doesn't really make sense either, since the e ngine has the same number of eyes as it does ears.- But cooling eyebrows is usually the terminology used (assuming you're referring to the scoops th at are used to direct cooling air over the cylinders, as per the J3 Cub and similar aircraft with exposed cylinders).- Referring to them as "ear muf fs" will likely elicit a few raised eyebrows (pun intended). =0AJust sayin' .=0A=0ABC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.mat ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol AirCamper project for sale
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
I spoke with Carmen several times on email after seeing his ad in barnstormers. It sounds like a very nice project and I agree with Oscar about the gear especially. It would be akin to a quick build kit for anyone who is contemplating building and hasn't begun yet. Scott Knowlton Burlington Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 30, 2013, at 4:15 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > Wow, that looks like a nice project for someone east of the Mississippi to take a look at. The historical significance of the landing gear alone would make it of interest to me, if I were looking to build a classic styled Piet. Lots of metal fittings there, too. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409498#409498 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Ear Muff Fab.
I said for the engine, not your head Gary! If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Subject: Re: Pietenpol AirCamper project for sale
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
Did he mention a price? I may not have scoured email thoroughly... On Oct 1, 2013 8:36 AM, "Scott Knowlton" wrote: > flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> > > I spoke with Carmen several times on email after seeing his ad in > barnstormers. It sounds like a very nice project and I agree with Oscar > about the gear especially. It would be akin to a quick build kit for > anyone who is contemplating building and hasn't begun yet. > > Scott Knowlton > Burlington > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 30, 2013, at 4:15 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow, that looks like a nice project for someone east of the Mississippi > to take a look at. The historical significance of the landing gear alone > would make it of interest to me, if I were looking to build a classic > styled Piet. Lots of metal fittings there, too. > > > > -------- > > Oscar Zuniga > > Medford, OR > > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > > A75 power > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409498#409498 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: discolor-ation
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Jack, Sorry for the delay getting back to you. I had a 3 day weekend. I have 16" wheels from the late 1920's. They were sold by Hayes for airplanes back in the day. They have three rows of spokes in them, meaning 1 row in the center and a row on each side near the bead. The outside rows help prevent the wheels from collapsing from side loads. My spoke are also straight laced, meaning that they do not cross. This prevents me from installing any brakes on the hub. The hub would simply just spin and break the spokes if a load were to be applied to it. The hubs, spokes and rims are all steel. I have no idea how many spokes are in them. Bottom line here is that my wheels could probably be copied but it would require a lot of work and manufacturing. I have only seen these wheels on one other airplane and it was in a museum somewhere. I have seen one or two pictures of planes with them. I hope I haven't discouraged you. It just that the wheels I have are very rare and probably not cost effective to replicate. There are a lot of Piets out there with 21" wheels that look fantastic and seem to function very well. Oh and you can put brakes on them. Sometimes not having brakes is a bit bothersome. Sorry about the over sized Pic. I don't know how to change the size. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409553#409553 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_102_253.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol AirCamper project for sale
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
In the 3K range on Barnstormers. He has 1K worth or spruce spars alone. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:43 AM, "Marcus Zechini" wr ote: > > Did he mention a price? I may not have scoured email thoroughly... > >> On Oct 1, 2013 8:36 AM, "Scott Knowlton" wrot e: il.com> >> >> I spoke with Carmen several times on email after seeing his ad in barnsto rmers. It sounds like a very nice project and I agree with Oscar about the g ear especially. It would be akin to a quick build kit for anyone who is con templating building and hasn't begun yet. >> >> Scott Knowlton >> Burlington >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Sep 30, 2013, at 4:15 PM, "taildrags" wrote: >> > m> >> > >> > Wow, that looks like a nice project for someone east of the Mississippi to take a look at. The historical significance of the landing gear alone w ould make it of interest to me, if I were looking to build a classic styled P iet. Lots of metal fittings there, too. >> > >> > -------- >> > Oscar Zuniga >> > Medford, OR >> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> > A75 power >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409498#409498 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
I have a solid 6" tail wheel on mine. Although not a Scott or Maule. Like the RV guys have. It works great on all surfaces. Asphalt, Grass, Dirt, Mud and Sand. Tried them all. My buddies Maule tail wheel went flat this past weekend. He had to stuff it with rags and rope to get the plane home since he didn't have a spare tube with him. Stuff to think about. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409556#409556 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Well folks, good news! NX321LR took to the air last night for it first flight!! what a rush. I was very windy, but straight down the runway. All went well other than a little bit of coughing from my powerplant which just about gave me a heart attack.....but it smoothed out. Still analyzing why......im thinking some moisture in the fuel tank that got mixed with the gas and found its way to the carb. I am downloading videos as we speak so you all can see it. I had a go-pro mounted to the wing strut which shows the whole flight, its pretty cool!! Thanks for all the support thru the years!! Chris -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409559#409559 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
Excellent news! Congrats! Did you get your test flight area to include C37? ;-) On 10/01/2013 09:11 AM, Chris Rusch wrote: > > Well folks, good news! NX321LR took to the air last night for it first flight!! what a rush. I was very windy, but straight down the runway. All went well other than a little bit of coughing from my powerplant which just about gave me a heart attack.....but it smoothed out. Still analyzing why......im thinking some moisture in the fuel tank that got mixed with the gas and found its way to the carb. I am downloading videos as we speak so you all can see it. I had a go-pro mounted to the wing strut which shows the whole flight, its pretty cool!! > Thanks for all the support thru the years!! > > Chris > > -------- > NX321LR > ON THE FINAL PUSH!! > Mitsubishi Powered > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409559#409559 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Way to go, Chris! Looking forward to that video... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 7:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** --> Well folks, good news! NX321LR took to the air last night for it first flight!! what a rush. I was very windy, but straight down the runway. All went well other than a little bit of coughing from my powerplant which just about gave me a heart attack.....but it smoothed out. Still analyzing why......im thinking some moisture in the fuel tank that got mixed with the gas and found its way to the carb. I am downloading videos as we speak so you all can see it. I had a go-pro mounted to the wing strut which shows the whole flight, its pretty cool!! Thanks for all the support thru the years!! Chris -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409559#409559 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
I did not build my Piet. This is my first venture into 'amateur' built airplanes coming from a position of only flying production aircraft. One tends to take a lot for granted in the world of production birds that I am learning you cant do in Piets. Having read the last couple of posts.My fun meter is swaying more towards the Scott 2000 (6) instead of the Scott 3200 (8). Here is what I think Ive have gleaned out of the posts in this thread. Please correct any misgivings I have below. (1) If one adds a leaf spring to the tail wheel it logically extends the size of the three-point foot print by as much as 14 inches. Is this a good thing or a bad thing for a Piet? (a) Has anyone figured out how to mount the Scott 2000 to the a-frame that the little Piet tail wheel is attached to? Is there a reason why one would NOT want to do this? (2) Folks are using the Scott 2000. I think I am going that way as well. TailDrags wrote that with the skid, Piets can get closer to a 3-point attitude for landing that produces the slowest landing speed and shorter roll-out. So, I get the impression that adding the Scott 2000 will decrease the 3-point attitude which results in a little faster landing speed and longer roll-out. Is the difference significant? (a) Kinda off topic For those of you who wheel land their Piets what are your V-speeds for final and touch down? (3) rags stuffed into a tire inner tube. That is creative! Thanks everyone for your thoughts! -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409567#409567 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Way to go, Chris! Great feeling, isn't it? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** Well folks, good news! NX321LR took to the air last night for it first flight!! what a rush. I was very windy, but straight down the runway. All went well other than a little bit of coughing from my powerplant which just about gave me a heart attack.....but it smoothed out. Still analyzing why......im thinking some moisture in the fuel tank that got mixed with the gas and found its way to the carb. I am downloading videos as we speak so you all can see it. I had a go-pro mounted to the wing strut which shows the whole flight, its pretty cool!! Thanks for all the support thru the years!! Chris -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409559#409559 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
Hi Chris, Congratulations on the first flight; looking forward to seeing the videos. Cheers, Jim B. =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: End Rib Support
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
I've looked for pictures but couldn't find any to show how the 1/2" spruce supports were attached to the ribs. I understand the other end is attached to the spars but am not certain how to mount the support to the rib? Thanks, -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409576#409576 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc08015_141.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Subject: Re: Elevator control trim
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Just because the plans are dated 1934 doesn't mean a Piet can't have electric elevator trim. rh On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Fun2av8 wrote: > > PineyMB > > What a brilliantly simple approach to adding an elevator trim tab. Do you > other DIY pictures of how you ran the cable and the elevator trim tab > control mechanism? > > -------- > Jim McWhorter > N687MB (New Owner) > Culpeper, VA KCJR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409525#409525 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Subject: Re: End Rib Support
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Just glued mine to the rib gussets. rh On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 10:10 AM, John Francis wrote: > > I've looked for pictures but couldn't find any to show how the 1/2" spruce > supports were attached to the ribs. I understand the other end is attached > to the spars but am not certain how to mount the support to the rib? > > Thanks, > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409576#409576 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc08015_141.jpg > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Subject: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Nice work Chris, btw, what model and year Mitsu engine are you using? Any pictures of it? I remember I had a 1990 Mitsu Eagle Talon with the turbo engine, lot of fun. rh On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Chris Rusch wrote: > rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> > > Well folks, good news! NX321LR took to the air last night for it first > flight!! what a rush. I was very windy, but straight down the runway. All > went well other than a little bit of coughing from my powerplant which just > about gave me a heart attack.....but it smoothed out. Still analyzing > why......im thinking some moisture in the fuel tank that got mixed with the > gas and found its way to the carb. I am downloading videos as we speak so > you all can see it. I had a go-pro mounted to the wing strut which shows > the whole flight, its pretty cool!! > Thanks for all the support thru the years!! > > Chris > > -------- > NX321LR > ON THE FINAL PUSH!! > Mitsubishi Powered > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409559#409559 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Ok Guys, Here are the videos, I am open to any comments on the engine sputter you will hear.....just to note, this flight was performed by my good friend and very talented flight instructor Jim Wheeler. We got her back on the ground did some full power run up and never missed a beat. The in flight video is better than the ground view. Enjoy!! http://youtu.be/X_Kf1bcgPks http://youtu.be/_-mSFj3be2U -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409586#409586 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: discolor-ation
From: Fastnaught John <fastnaught(at)windstream.net>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Scott, Thanks for the info. I now have 21" wheels but no brakes. I'm looking for info to make a good decision because I can't use them, I need brakes. Thanks again, Jack On Oct 1, 2013, at 8:53 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > Jack, > > Sorry for the delay getting back to you. I had a 3 day weekend. I have 16" wheels from the late 1920's. They were sold by Hayes for airplanes back in the day. They have three rows of spokes in them, meaning 1 row in the center and a row on each side near the bead. The outside rows help prevent the wheels from collapsing from side loads. My spoke are also straight laced, meaning that they do not cross. This prevents me from installing any brakes on the hub. The hub would simply just spin and break the spokes if a load were to be applied to it. The hubs, spokes and rims are all steel. I have no idea how many spokes are in them. > > Bottom line here is that my wheels could probably be copied but it would require a lot of work and manufacturing. I have only seen these wheels on one other airplane and it was in a museum somewhere. I have seen one or two pictures of planes with them. > > I hope I haven't discouraged you. It just that the wheels I have are very rare and probably not cost effective to replicate. There are a lot of Piets out there with 21" wheels that look fantastic and seem to function very well. Oh and you can put brakes on them. Sometimes not having brakes is a bit bothersome. > > Sorry about the over sized Pic. I don't know how to change the size. > > Cheers, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409553#409553 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_102_253.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: End Rib Support
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
The purpose of that piece is to keep the fabric from pulling in the rib... so... It needs to attach to the rib at the cap strip, top and bottom, however will do so. You could put a vertical rib piece with the gussets, which would then give you some gluing area, or you could put a doubler of sufficient size under the cap strip, a piece about 1x1, one half inch thick (to match the cap strip) and glue/nail it to that (and another on the bottom strip for that support). Adding the vert rib member with gussets seems the most logical. It seems to me that the end ribs have the verticals in there anyway. The two coming together provide back up support for each other. Since it's largely end grain, I'd glue and nail. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409589#409589 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: End Rib Support
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
I continued to search and found this picture, posted by Mark Chouinard on Westcoastpiet. It appears he mounted some blocks on the uprights and attached the supports to them. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409591#409591 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3050409_1000x750_109.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: End Rib Support
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
One thing that will happen is the covering will pull in the top and bottom cap strips if not well braced. Remember that half the load of the shrinking covering parallel to the leading edge will be on the root rib and the bow tip. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409597#409597 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Chris, It looks and sounds terrific. I like it. The engine cutting out sounded a little like ignition to me. Very hard to tell without being there. Do the electrical gauges or volt gauge move when it does that? Can you prop it with the gear reduction unit? Just curious. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409599#409599 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: No reply
From: Douwe <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Hey all, thank you so much for your input on my project, I've been away in Orlando and will return a couple days and will get in touch with everybody. Douwe Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <contato(at)kraussaero.com.br>
Subject: ROTEC ENGINE
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Dears, Is it possible assembly a Pietenpol aircraft using Rotec R3600, 9 cylinders and 150hp, three blades propeller? Thanks for your help. My Best Regards, Serrano www.kraussaero.com.br From: woodflier(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. Nice to see the article on classic homebuilts in SA. Particularly enjoyed seeing the pic of Dan Yocum's Piet. Matt Paxton Sent from my android device. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Subject: Re: ROTEC ENGINE
One like this one? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sTq4dYbHWjk/UgTmkcAHEmI/AAAAAAAAII8/5i0qFnB3MAw/s1600/rotecR-2800_02.jpg Mario Giacummo 2013/10/1 > Dears, > Is it possible assembly a Pietenpol aircraft using Rotec R3600, 9 > cylinders and 150hp, three blades propeller? > Thanks for your help. > My Best Regards, > Serrano > www.kraussaero.com.br > > *From:* woodflier(at)aol.com > *Sent:* Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:35 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. > > > Nice to see the article on classic homebuilts in SA. Particularly enjoyed > seeing the pic of Dan Yocum's Piet. > > Matt Paxton > Sent from my android device. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: End Rib Support
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
I am not certain we are all talking about the same supports. They are high lighted in the attached photo. I am not certain everyone is putting them in as I have seen completed wings without them. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409608#409608 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3050409_1000x750_506.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ROTEC ENGINE
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Perhaps a better question would be "why?". 150hp is way too much power for a plane designed to fly on 40-100hp. And the dry weight of the engine is 275 lb. The smaller R2800 is a proven powerplant for the Air Camper, as seen on Dick Navratil's well publicized NX25RN. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Dick%20Navratil/pictures.htm Bill C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409617#409617 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Poly fiber issues
From: Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Well fellow Pieters, Here is the state I am in. After 10 years of building I am ready to buy some certified aircraft topcoat. My preference is to go with Poly Tone. My issue is now trying to determine what the colors available are. After talking to Aircraft Spruce I find that the only color chart they have available is just an offset printed approximation. Many of you may know that I am a retired technical director of an International coatings company. Paint formulation and color control has been my life for over 40 years. To now find out that I have to spend more than $100 per gallon for a coating that is non returnable, for a color that I have no real idea what I am ordering is more than I can take. Is there anybody on the list that has some left over paint that can help me out? What I am looking for is a yellow that is not too bright. I want to paint the Piet basically like a "yellow" Curtiss Jenny without the lower wing. A cub yellow is to bright and saturated. The yellow on Dan Yocum's Piet would probably work, but I don't know if Dan knows what color his yellow is. What I am looking for is a couple of dabs of left over poly tone yellow on some white card stock to a least get some idea of what the color is. Rick Schreiber NX478RS ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Poly fiber issues
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Rick; I can empathize with you... I searched high and low for a match for the yellow on Scout and got pretty close with some, but the Poly-Tone yellow (which, it turns out, is almost exactly the same yellow as is used on highway centerline stripes) was always just a little different from what I was finding. I would go around the retail distributor and cut right to the source... Poly Fiber in Riverside, CA. I would be greatly surprised if they weren't willing and able to send you some actual color swatches of the paints that you are interested in. And in fact, I have a daughter living in Carlsbad and family in Fallbrook, not too far from Riverside, and if you needed to have someone go by Poly Fiber to pick up swatches and mail them to you, I'll bet that could be arranged too. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409619#409619 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Poly fiber issues
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
By the way, I believe the yellow paint on my airplane is "Federal Yellow", and if you look at the typical color chart (such as this one: http://www.hangar10aerosupply.com/poly-fiber%20color%20chart.htm ), you'll see that Federal Yellow on the chart bears no resemblance to what is on the airplane, here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/NX41CC02.jpg . I agree... if you're going to spend the money, you need to know what you're going to get! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409620#409620 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Subject: Re: Poly fiber issues
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Rick, I think i have an original color chart from Poly Fiber. I'll look tonight when I get to the airport. If so, I'll drop it in the mail to you. I like Oscar's suggestion. I used to make it to Riverside at least a couple times a year and would always schedule a trip to the Flabob airport to eat at the little restaurant there. Classic airport food! Bad in a good sort of way. You'd be doing someone a favor by asking them to go there on your behalf. Another suggestion, assuming I don't have the color chart that I can send you, is to check with Univair. I believe that they still provide an old fashioned color chart, not just something printed on a color printer. Cheers, Ken On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:30 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Rick; I can empathize with you... I searched high and low for a match for > the yellow on Scout and got pretty close with some, but the Poly-Tone > yellow (which, it turns out, is almost exactly the same yellow as is used > on highway centerline stripes) was always just a little different from what > I was finding. > > I would go around the retail distributor and cut right to the source... > Poly Fiber in Riverside, CA. I would be greatly surprised if they weren't > willing and able to send you some actual color swatches of the paints that > you are interested in. And in fact, I have a daughter living in Carlsbad > and family in Fallbrook, not too far from Riverside, and if you needed to > have someone go by Poly Fiber to pick up swatches and mail them to you, > I'll bet that could be arranged too. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409619#409619 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Guys Don't use the inflatable tail wheel, I did use it and I replaced the inner tube every other month. I just ordered a solid tail wheel. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel > > Jim; > > A couple of observations on the solid 6" Scott vs. the pneumatic 8" > tailwheel. First, weight. Most Piets tend to be tail-heavy, and > according to the Aircraft Spruce shipping weights, there is more than a 2 > lb difference between the 2000 and the 3200. That's a lot. Second, > aircraft angle in the 3-point attitude. The Piet's FC10 airfoil can still > be producing lift with 5.00 or 6.00 mains and a big tailwheel. The > original configuration is with a tailskid, which put the tail down lower. > The people who are flying with spoked wheels and a tailskid probably have > the plane nearer to a full-stall in the 3-point attitude than airplanes > like mine, and that gives you the slowest landing speed and the shortest > landing roll. Lastly, you should try taxiing a Piet with the 6" solid > Scott on grass or pavement. It will turn on a dime. Matter of fact, I > have thought of changing the spring tension on the tailwheel on mine to > reduce the sensitivity just a bit, although I do like to hav! > e the ability to make it go precisely where I want it to go. Now I'll > wait to hear from those who may be using the larger tailwheel to see if > I've missed an even better deal than I have with the solid 6". > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409532#409532 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
From: "g. doe" <acmech46(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Poly fiber issues
Rick, sorry to hear about this, I have several shades of yellow left over f or different jobs, be glad to send them to you, I am sure the labels are st ill clear, gary in Kennesaw, GA.=0A =0A=0A________________________________ =0A From: Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 6:03 PM =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Poly fiber issues=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick =0A=0A=0AWell fellow Pieters ,=0AHere is the state I am in. After 10 years of building I am ready to buy some certified aircraft topcoat. My preference is to go with Poly Tone. My issue is now trying to determine what the colors available are. After talk ing to Aircraft Spruce I find that the only color chart they have available is just an offset printed approximation. Many of you may know that I am a retired technical director of an International coatings company. Paint form ulation and color control has been my life for over 40 years. To now find o ut that I have to spend more than $100 per gallon for a coating that is non returnable, for a color that I have no real idea what I am ordering is mor e than I can take.=0A=0AIs there anybody on the list that has some left ove r paint that can help me out? What I am looking for is a yellow that is not too bright. I want to paint the Piet basically like a "yellow" Curtiss Jen ny without the lower wing. A cub yellow is to bright and saturated. The yel low on Dan Yocum's Piet would probably work, but I don't know if Dan knows what color his yellow is.=0A=0AWhat I am looking for is a couple of dabs of left over poly tone yellow on some white card stock to a least get some id ============== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wheels
From: John Fastnaught <fastnaught(at)windstream.net>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Gentlemen, I'm new to the list although I've been reading it for some time. I've acquired a Piet project. I've just OVH the model A engine am now working on the airframe. My current dilemma is the wheels. After talking to Buchanan wheel and rim it seems I have more question than answers. I have 21" spoked wheels used as a prototype (not airworthy). Should I use steel or aluminum rims, SS or chrome spokes and how many. It seems that 40 is typical. And since I will have brakes they will be cross laced. Any help would be appreciated. My goal is to fly to Brodhead next year. I drove this year (long trip). Jack Sent from my iPad ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Subject: Re: Poly fiber issues
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Hey Rick Also took me 10 years to get my Piet to airworthiness status. One suggestion, consider External Latex, save a ton of dough and get exactly the color and texture you want as easily as going to your nearest Sherwin Williams store (and avoid taking several years of your life breathing toxic stuff). Guy did a great latex seminar at this years AirVenture, I think he put the video on youtube. He sands between coats and gets a finish as shiny as on a new car. Attached pictures my latex durability test panel I covered with med. dacron and painted with 2 coats on one side and 3 coats of semigloss ext latex on the other. Pictures were taken after being outside facing true South at 6700ft. 24x7 for about 6 years (have been out there for about 8 years now and don't look hardly any different). The close-up picture shows indentations from a punch tester that went to the limit of the tester without going through. rh On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rick wrote: > > > Well fellow Pieters, > Here is the state I am in. After 10 years of building I am ready to buy > some certified aircraft topcoat. My preference is to go with Poly Tone. My > issue is now trying to determine what the colors available are. After > talking to Aircraft Spruce I find that the only color chart they have > available is just an offset printed approximation. Many of you may know > that I am a retired technical director of an International coatings > company. Paint formulation and color control has been my life for over 40 > years. To now find out that I have to spend more than $100 per gallon for a > coating that is non returnable, for a color that I have no real idea what I > am ordering is more than I can take. > > Is there anybody on the list that has some left over paint that can help > me out? What I am looking for is a yellow that is not too bright. I want to > paint the Piet basically like a "yellow" Curtiss Jenny without the lower > wing. A cub yellow is to bright and saturated. The yellow on Dan Yocum's > Piet would probably work, but I don't know if Dan knows what color his > yellow is. > > What I am looking for is a couple of dabs of left over poly tone yellow on > some white card stock to a least get some idea of what the color is. > > Rick Schreiber > NX478RS > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Just when I needed some Pietenpol talk!
Walter Allen from just over the Kansas border from us stopped by today. So it looks like ANOTHER real Pietenpol (Model A powered!) will be flying around here some day! Getting out to the shop to mess around with Pietenpol parts: Priceless. Thanks for stopping by Walter! Jim in Pryor ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Subject: Re: Poly fiber issues
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Rick, Let me echo what Rick (H) says. We used Benjamin Moore. Their high end acrylic in water suspension product, which runs $50 a gallon. Expensive for house paint. Cheap for airplanes. It is easy to get the exact color you want. And because they have the mix computerized, easy to get more when the first batch runs out. I think (all humility and modesty aside) that it came out looking sensational. We did prime using the Stewart System primer, but color coats were sprayed on Latex. We followed the instructions provided by Malcolm Morrison. Here's a cheap plug. He's doing a webinar later this week on his latex process. It is hosted by the EAA. Cheers, Ken On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > Hey Rick > > Also took me 10 years to get my Piet to airworthiness status. One > suggestion, consider External Latex, save a ton of dough and get exactly > the color and texture you want as easily as going to your nearest Sherwin > Williams store (and avoid taking several years of your life breathing toxic > stuff). Guy did a great latex seminar at this years AirVenture, I think he > put the video on youtube. He sands between coats and gets a finish as shiny > as on a new car. > > Attached pictures my latex durability test panel I covered with med. > dacron and painted with 2 coats on one side and 3 coats of semigloss ext > latex on the other. Pictures were taken after being outside facing true > South at 6700ft. 24x7 for about 6 years (have been out there for about 8 > years now and don't look hardly any different). The close-up picture shows > indentations from a punch tester that went to the limit of the tester > without going through. > > rh > > > On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Rick wrote: > >> >> >> Well fellow Pieters, >> Here is the state I am in. After 10 years of building I am ready to buy >> some certified aircraft topcoat. My preference is to go with Poly Tone. My >> issue is now trying to determine what the colors available are. After >> talking to Aircraft Spruce I find that the only color chart they have >> available is just an offset printed approximation. Many of you may know >> that I am a retired technical director of an International coatings >> company. Paint formulation and color control has been my life for over 40 >> years. To now find out that I have to spend more than $100 per gallon for a >> coating that is non returnable, for a color that I have no real idea what I >> am ordering is more than I can take. >> >> Is there anybody on the list that has some left over paint that can help >> me out? What I am looking for is a yellow that is not too bright. I want to >> paint the Piet basically like a "yellow" Curtiss Jenny without the lower >> wing. A cub yellow is to bright and saturated. The yellow on Dan Yocum's >> Piet would probably work, but I don't know if Dan knows what color his >> yellow is. >> >> What I am looking for is a couple of dabs of left over poly tone yellow >> on some white card stock to a least get some idea of what the color is. >> >> Rick Schreiber >> NX478RS >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > NX6819Z > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
I never look at the airspeed indicator less than 60 when I'm landing in any mode. If I'm three pointing, I slow in the flare to a 3 pt attitude, then let it descend. However, I find that I run out of pitch authority at that point which makes sense... it basically stalls at that point. If I'm wheel landing, I slow to a slightly nose up attitude (somewhat more attitude than when I get the tail up to accelerate quickly), then let it descend onto the wheels. This gives me a comfortable amount of nose down available after the wheels touch to keep it on the ground. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409629#409629 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
AircamperN11MS wrote: > Chris, > > It looks and sounds terrific. I like it. The engine cutting out sounded a little like ignition to me. Very hard to tell without being there. Do the electrical gauges or volt gauge move when it does that? > > Can you prop it with the gear reduction unit? Just curious. That's the first time it ever hiccuped...so I don't know -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409632#409632 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
I would like to try a different prop to get more rpm's out of ..I think it's right at the bottom of the power band. It was at 2100 .... I think 2500 would be better -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409633#409633 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: ROTEC ENGINE
Date: Oct 01, 2013
A 150 hp engine on a Pietenpol would be very expensive and unnecessary. Also three blade prop would be quieter but not necessary. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: contato(at)kraussaero.com.br To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 2:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ROTEC ENGINE Dears, Is it possible assembly a Pietenpol aircraft using Rotec R3600, 9 cylinders and 150hp, three blades propeller? Thanks for your help. My Best Regards, Serrano www.kraussaero.com.br From: woodflier(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:35 AM To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dan Yocum's Piet In Sport Aviation. Nice to see the article on classic homebuilts in SA. Particularly enjoyed seeing the pic of Dan Yocum's Piet. Matt Paxton Sent from my android device. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Wheels
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Jack, Here is some good info on wire spoked wheels, http://www.westcoastpiet.com/wire_wheels.htm To answer your questions specifically: 1. Steel vs. aluminum rims - Use aluminum if you can find them for the weight savings. The rims are a small percentage of the total weight of the wheel so using steel won't be a deal breaker. 2. SS vs. chrome spokes - My vote goes to SS. It's an airplane operating on grass and dirt. Your wheels will take some abuse and they will get marked up. 3. 40 vs. 36 spokes - Let your rim selection determine spoke number. You may find 36 spoke rims are more common than 40 spoke rims. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Fastnaught" <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 6:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wheels > > > Gentlemen, > I'm new to the list although I've been reading it for some time. I've > acquired a Piet project. I've just OVH the model A engine am now working > on the airframe. My current dilemma is the wheels. After talking to > Buchanan wheel and rim it seems I have more question than answers. I have > 21" spoked wheels used as a prototype (not airworthy). Should I use steel > or aluminum rims, SS or chrome spokes and how many. It seems that 40 is > typical. And since I will have brakes they will be cross laced. Any help > would be appreciated. > My goal is to fly to Brodhead next year. I drove this year (long trip). > Jack > > Sent from my iPad > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2013
Experimental Two-One Lima Romeo, that was excellent. The test period is there for a reason; you'll figure out the hiccup and soon you'll be enjoying Pietenpoling too. Beautiful airplane, sweet engine, nearly perfect first flight. Watching the first flight video, I hope you could sense Mr. Pietenpol and Mr. Poberezny smiling as they watched over your shoulder. This is exactly what they wanted. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409641#409641 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 02, 2013
Congratulations Chris! Can't wait to see the vids. Way to go! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Chris Rusch <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> Sent: Tue, Oct 1, 2013 9:59 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: ***FIRST FLIGHT **** > Well folks, good news! NX321LR took to the air last night for it first flig ht!! what a rush. I was very windy, but straight down the runway. All went well other than a little bit of coughing from my powerplant which just about gave me a heart attack.....but it smoothed out. Still analyzing why......im thinking some moisture in the fuel tank that got mixed with the gas and found its way to the carb. I am downloading videos as we speak so you all can see it. I had a go -pro mounted to the wing strut which shows the whole flight, its pretty cool!! Thanks for all the support thru the years!! Chris -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409559#409559 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: No Matter Where You Go Good Pietenpol People are There.
From: "Overalles" <Overalles45(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 02, 2013
When I lived in Kentucky I met Jeff Faith and he was very nice to let me come visit, see his project and ask a ton of questions. Now I have moved to Kansas and last night I was lucky enough to visit Jim Markle. I enjoyed visiting with Jim and his Wife, left with some of Jim's extra parts and now know where Jim lives (Jim may get tired of seeing me) and it is just a couple of hours down the road. This Pietenpol Group is like no other. Thanks Walter Allen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409653#409653 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: Oct 02, 2013
Hi Dan, here are the video links http://youtu.be/X_Kf1bcgPks http://youtu.be/_-mSFj3be2U[/quote] -------- NX321LR ON THE FINAL PUSH!! Mitsubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409659#409659 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Oct 02, 2013
Congrats Chris! Hope to see you and your Piet at Brodhead. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409661#409661 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Poly fiber issues
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 02, 2013
Rick, I third what Oscar said. The folks a Poly Fiber will bend over backwards to help you out. They are great people. Tell them what you want. A trick I learned when I rebuilt my plane. They had changed their cream color somewhere along the line and the new stuff didn't match the old paint I had from a previous rebuild project. They did a color match for me since I told them it was a "repair job". You could try that if you have a color sample you like. Ken, The cafe at Flabob has changed hands. It was closed for a little while, cleaned up and is now open. I was at Flabob last Sat. for the flying circus event but did not go into the cafe because it was too crowded. Didn't hear anything bad about it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409662#409662 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Selection
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Oct 02, 2013
I would talk to Kevin Purtee. You can find his email address by searching for a post from him. He's out in the Austin TX area. His 100 HP Piet has an amazing climb rate and he's a big person. At Brodhead he put another BIG person in the front and the plane still climbed briskly. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409664#409664 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
Date: Oct 02, 2013
Congrat Chris!! The Go-Pro on the strut sure makes a nice video! Brian SLC-UT ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 02, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: ***FIRST FLIGHT ****
Outstanding!- I will be checking out the videos ASAP!=0A-=0ACongratulat ions.=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APie tenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: discolor-ation
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Oct 02, 2013
Jack, Food for thought Back in 2011 I promised I would find Don Harper some 'cycle (spoken like a southerner) wheels for his now flying Piet. He wanted 19" aluminum wheels with 40 spokes. Two days after returning from CC 19 I acquired 4 suitable wheels at a bone yard. They are front wheels from the 1981 Kawasaki KZ 650 CSR. Two sets of 48 Spokes are coming from Buchanan's as I write this. The wheels from the bone yard were $75 per pair. Don emptied the hubs and pressed in bronze bushings for me. The new spokes are coming in at $337.00 Don simply cleaned his in a media blast cabinet. No wonder these guys can build flying planes for $6800. Don has brakes on his. Just to add: Don Harper and PF Beck are the hosts of Corvair College 27 coming up in November in Barnwell SC. You might recall these are the two builders of near identical Piets with two different wing foils. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409671#409671 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
From: "Fun2av8" <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com>
Date: Oct 02, 2013
OK, A couple folks say that the inflatable 8" wheel is not spiffy (unless you have a spare tube or a bag full of rags :-) ) There is a lot of support for the Scott 2000 solid rubber tire. Is anyone actually using the 8" inflatable tail wheel? Are you happy with it? Any second thoughts if you were to do it all over again? Ref final approach speed ....60 mph is the number I use for touch down. To me it seems a little fast. My Maule would wheel on at 55-60. I would have thought the Piet could be slower...but the Piet does have a lot more drag than my Maule. Is there a thread that talks about V-speeds? This seems off topic for tail wheels....but some what related. -------- Jim McWhorter N687MB (New Owner) Culpeper, VA KCJR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409679#409679 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 02, 2013
From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel
I use the Matco T6 solid rubber tire, light weight and in expensive.=0AWork s good on grass, no complains=0A-=0AMy final approach, and most of the pa ttern is 55 Mph, slowing down to well below 40 in the flare.=0AStall speed is-less than-30 mph.=0A-=0AOnly a 3-pont landing is theoretically at full stall with the tail wheel touching down.=0AA wheel landing is more lik ely around 40 Mph, with the tail coming down well under10 Mph (airspeed)=0A I often "fast Taxi" the remainder of the runway with tail-up around 10 Mp h.=0A-=0AHans van der Voort=0A-=0ANX 15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A =0A=0A_______ _________________________=0A From: Fun2av8 <iflyga(at)fun2av8.com>=0ATo: piete npol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:30 AM=0ASubj ect: Pietenpol-List: Re: Scott or Maule tail Wheel=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol- List message posted by: "Fun2av8" =0A=0AOK,=0A=0AA coup le folks say that the inflatable 8" wheel is not spiffy (unless you have a spare tube or a bag full of rags- :-) )=0A=0AThere is a lot of support fo r the Scott 2000 solid rubber tire.=0A=0AIs anyone actually using the 8" in flatable tail wheel?- Are you happy with it?- Any second thoughts if yo u were to do it all over again?=0A=0ARef final approach speed ....60 mph is the number I use for touch down.- To me it seems a little fast.- My- Maule would wheel on at 55-60.- I would have thought the Piet could be s lower...but the Piet does have a lot more drag than my Maule.=0A=0AIs there a thread that talks about V-speeds?- This seems off topic for tail wheel s....but some what related.=0A=0A--------=0AJim McWhorter=0AN687MB (New Own er)=0ACulpeper, VA- KCJR=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409679#409679=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 02, 2013
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Poly fiber issues
Hi Rick, I spoke with the gent who paint N8031 and he said that he didn't know the exact color - it was some left-overs from his neighbor. He did tell me that is an automotive enamel made by Sherwin Williams cut with flotrol. When I cut out the top of the center section to repair the fuel tank, I had some scraps which I carried around with me for a while. As chance would have it, one day I was stopped at light next to a school bus. On a whim I held the scrap up with the bus in the background, it was pretty close, so I found a parked bus and compared them. You guessed it - N8031 is school bus yellow. I took the scrap to the paint store and they made a pretty good match for me, too. I'll send you pictures of the mixtures they used, offlist. Cheers, Dan On 10/01/2013 05:03 PM, Rick wrote: > > > Well fellow Pieters, > Here is the state I am in. After 10 years of building I am ready to buy some certified aircraft topcoat. My preference is to go with Poly Tone. My issue is now trying to determine what the colors available are. After talking to Aircraft Spruce I find that the only color chart they have available is just an offset printed approximation. Many of you may know that I am a retired technical director of an International coatings company. Paint formulation and color control has been my life for over 40 years. To now find out that I have to spend more than $100 per gallon for a coating that is non returnable, for a color that I have no real idea what I am ordering is more than I can take. > > Is there anybody on the list that has some left over paint that can help me out? What I am looking for is a yellow that is not too bright. I want to paint the Piet basically like a "yellow" Curtiss Jenny without the lower wing. A cub yellow is to bright and saturated. The yellow on Dan Yocum's Piet would probably work, but I don't know if Dan knows what color his yellow is. > > What I am looking for is a couple of dabs of left over poly tone yellow on some

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