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Subject: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
From: "GrantZ" <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 21, 2013
Thanks Gary. Additional clarification. I am looking for the longitudinal (front to back?) location of the "struts". I understand the length, as you mentioned. I have spent several hours comparing the two fuselage drawings and am certain I am missing something. I don' want to "guess" on the location of these key elements. Thanks Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415971#415971 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Date: Dec 21, 2013
Headed to the airport now...I'll get back to you tonight, unless someone else beats me to it... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GrantZ Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:22 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question Thanks Gary. Additional clarification. I am looking for the longitudinal (front to back?) location of the "struts". I understand the length, as you mentioned. I have spent several hours comparing the two fuselage drawings and am certain I am missing something. I don' want to "guess" on the location of these key elements. Thanks Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415971#415971 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 21, 2013
Grant Now i see! The front ash cross member is centered where the 2nd and 3rd (from the front) vertical struts on the fuse sides meet at the lower longeron- The second bay back (front cockpit) dimension (fore to aft) I believe is the same for the short and long fuse so you can use the 1933 plans for the placement of the rear ash piece- Those plans show a distance of 27.5" center to center Hope that didn't make it more confusing! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415980#415980 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: cold weather flights
Date: Dec 21, 2013
I think 34 degrees was the lowest for me. After about twenty minutes I'm ready to land. Those chemical heat packets help a lot in gloves and waistband. The plane sure performs nicely at those temps!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Date: Dec 21, 2013
Grant This is a somewhat frequent question when building the long fuselage. To figure out where to put the cross braces between the two fuselage side for the long fuselage you need to consult the short fuselage plans. The cross braces go at the same cluster joint as the short. The distance isn't too critical. Just put them at the center of the cluster. One thing to make sure is the ash cross members need to be the same distance apart as the distance between the spars. You might find that this puts the rear ash member at about the center of the rear seat even though it is shown on the front of the seat on the plans. Several builders, myself included, have added a second piece behind the seat so our wing fittings are in the correct location. Long fuselage, front ash piece location http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/98.jpg Here is the rear ash piece. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/P1030326.JPG Chris T. Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GrantZ Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:22 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question Thanks Gary. Additional clarification. I am looking for the longitudinal (front to back?) location of the "struts". I understand the length, as you mentioned. I have spent several hours comparing the two fuselage drawings and am certain I am missing something. I don' want to "guess" on the location of these key elements. Thanks Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415971#415971 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 21, 2013
my friend has an extended fuse and his is 24 at the cockpit across. he said that the fuse is lengthened but not widened. we have no way of confirming if his was built to plans. we did measure it. gary will have you his answer later.. if his is like my friends the u can almost bet it should be 24 inches jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415995#415995 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 21, 2013
im confused to. I thought we were here like yourself get to get tips and get help with building. instead i get 12 e mails on what to wear when its cold outside. I think the subject should be st uck to but no one asked me. stay with this site and filter out all of the bull shit. there is good info but also lots of bs that should be handled off site with personal e mails. one thing I have learned is stay with the plan, call pietenpol if you have questions and u will have plenty of them and work on the project every day. jim hyde Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415996#415996 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 21, 2013
Thought the question had been answered twice so far- Didn't realize the question had changed to how wide is the fuselage -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416004#416004 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Date: Dec 21, 2013
Grant, I remember having the same problem when I built my fuselage, but don't remember the solution. As I recall, the information is really all there on the drawings but sometimes you have to look at several different sheets to get all the dimensions. I'll have to dig my plans out tomorrow and go over them to see what I did. I think I just made sure the top and bottom pieces were in line with the verticals in the fuselage sides. Here's a picture showing them: Basically, if you put in the cross pieces that define the cockpit (and I think those dimensions are given on the plans), then pull the longerons together at the tail, the sides will form a fourth order polynomial curve that the wood naturally wants to hold. I think I just cut the cross pieces to fit that curve. Whatever, it looks right. Be very careful to make sure you have everything lined up perfectly.. I used plumb bobs and pipe clamps as shown in the picture below. The fuselage is upside down, resting on the upper longerons, with the plumb bobs aligning the center of the bottom cross braces with the center of the top cross braces (I had a centerline drawn on the table as well). You can see some of the strings used to pull on various parts of the lower longerons to keep everything in alignment. As Tony Bingelis says, building an airplane is basically a series of alignment exercises. Don't give up on this website. There's a wealth of good information here, but some of us that built their planes a decade or so ago are busy with other projects now. Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GrantZ Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 8:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question Additional info re my question: I am looking for the dimensions to position the pieces ( BP calls them struts on the plans) which go between the left and right fuselage sides as well as the ash reinforcements. Dimensions are given on the standard fuselage plans but are omitted on the improved/extended fuselage plans. Thanks Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415967#415967 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Date: Dec 21, 2013
Grant, Not sure if you got the answers you were looking for yet. Although my Piet is built and flying, I am in no way an expert, such as a person like Chris Tracy. I'm sure there are others, but I know of no-one who has studied the plans longer and more intently, along with lots of peripheral stuff! In no way do I wish to appear cavalier, but I just followed plans...mixed with some s.w.a.g. and a little of my own interpretation....but I never was stumped by needed information! My long fuselage plans are only marked, "* Corrected 9-22-94...", and the attached is a snippet. This gives locations for the uprights. I merely referred to the original drawings for the x-members. Best of luck to you! Please do not be put off by negative comments about this list. Admittedly, one may have to ask a question more than once...or ask a different way. Anyone who says this list is not helpful is full of CRAP!! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:59 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question --> Headed to the airport now...I'll get back to you tonight, unless someone else beats me to it... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GrantZ Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:22 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question Thanks Gary. Additional clarification. I am looking for the longitudinal (front to back?) location of the "struts". I understand the length, as you mentioned. I have spent several hours comparing the two fuselage drawings and am certain I am missing something. I don' want to "guess" on the location of these key elements. Thanks Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415971#415971 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cable tension
From: John Fastnaught <fastnaught(at)windstream.net>
Date: Dec 21, 2013
I'm about to assemble the airframe before covering and am curious about cable tension. Do we use 43.13 tensions or is their something special on the cables? Jack N144JF Ford powered Sent from my iPad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
From: "GrantZ" <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 21, 2013
Chris, Great answer. Just the info I needed to "break the code"!! Thanks Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416033#416033 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: one extra rib
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 21, 2013
i just finished making both wings and center section.. i have one extra rib left over and have been working on it all day to make me a girlfriend. i heard that some dude did it many years ago...does anyone have a set of plans. tomorrow is sunday and i have to take the day to rest. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416034#416034 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: one extra rib
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 21, 2013
"Eve"n a guy like you can throw a little humor out there. [Laughing] Have a nice day of rest. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416036#416036 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: one extra rib
Date: Dec 22, 2013
You must be a fighter pilot. They all think they're God :-) Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Braniff1966 Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: one extra rib i just finished making both wings and center section.. i have one extra rib left over and have been working on it all day to make me a girlfriend. i heard that some dude did it many years ago...does anyone have a set of plans. tomorrow is sunday and i have to take the day to rest. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416034#416034 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Cable tension
Date: Dec 22, 2013
Control cables, drag and anti-drag wires, flying wires or bracing wires? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fastnaught Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension I'm about to assemble the airframe before covering and am curious about cable tension. Do we use 43.13 tensions or is their something special on the cables? Jack N144JF Ford powered Sent from my iPad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fuel Lines and Cabanes
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2013
I have attached a link to an interesting and very informative couple of blog posts written by William Wynne and posted on his FlyCorvair.net website. This is good information for all of us builders and owners- http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/19/pietenpol-fuel-lines-and-cabanes/ http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/20/fuel-lines-and-cabanes-part-2/ -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416048#416048 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cable tension
From: John Fastnaught <fastnaught(at)windstream.net>
Date: Dec 22, 2013
Actually all the cables but for now the control cables. Thanks, Jack Sent from my iPad > On Dec 22, 2013, at 5:45 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > > > Control cables, drag and anti-drag wires, flying wires or bracing wires? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Fastnaught > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:35 PM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension > > > > I'm about to assemble the airframe before covering and am curious about > cable tension. Do we use 43.13 tensions or is their something special on the > cables? > Jack > N144JF > Ford powered > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: one extra rib
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2013
Be careful what you wish for! Adam said he didn't have anyone to talk to. God said that He was going to make Adam a companion and that it would be a woman. He said, "This pretty lady will gather food for you, she will cook for you, and when you discover clothing, she will wash it for you. She will always agree with every decision you make and she will not nag you, and will always be the first to admit she was wrong when you've had a disagreement. She will praise you! She will bear your children and never ask you to get up in the middle of the night to take care of them. "She will NEVER have a headache and will freely give you love and passion whenever you need it." Adam asked God, "What will a woman like this cost?" God replied, "An arm and a leg." Then Adam asked, "What can I get for a rib?" Of course the rest is history...................... -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416052#416052 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2013
great post. I have the braided stainless fuel line on the shelf and plan to use it. my cabanes are made and have been installed fitted and removed. I was sort of proud that I had all of this done. I now have to modify them and weld them in. this will be a loss in time but well worth it.. at 70 I have to weigh construction time against time remaining...my career spans 55 years and this is my last square to fill except for the extra rib project ..I hope to improve on the prototype. my big question is why did this thoughtful fellow hit the ground so hard.. I wish we had more posts like this. im not inclined to modify this project but this is necessary. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416059#416059 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2013
if you are a glass cockpit guy consider looking at the ntsb site recorded hearing on the asiana accident. watch dave mckennys portion group three. he is my human factors chairman Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416060#416060 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2013
Jim, Two words. Carburetor Ice. Here is a link to a story on his website describing the circumstances as well as information to help others avoid the same situation. http://flycorvair.com/carbice.html -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416062#416062 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: adding trim
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2013
I'm taking advantage of some downtime during Annual by adding a trim tab that can be controlled from the flight deck. Of course, my AI/DAR will have to approve it for a sign-off w/said Annual.. I bought a $26 cable from Spruce that locks in any position w/quarter turn of t-handle. My diabolical plan is to mount it under seat (near right knee). I thought about the electric trim servo method, but I like staying in the stone age (no electrics). I will attempt to attach some fotos to this post. I am up for suggestions/ideas.. if there might be a simpler method out there... I thought about the bungie/string technique that I've seen on here, but prefer a "secondary" control, in the event I lose all hydraulics. -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416064#416064 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tab1_438.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/tab2_572.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/tab3_558.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/tab4_105.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: adding trim
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2013
may I ask what ur plane weighs and what type of fabric and paint process.. if the trim works ill try one to Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416068#416068 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 22, 2013
From: "g. doe" <acmech46(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes
Thank you, I was looking at the NTSB report, it is amazing the different st ory from the pilot and co-pilot, pilot: negotiated landing, on impacted pla ne caught fire,, Owner: from 80 feet plane spun in and caught fire, very in teresting, gary=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: jarhead pilot82 =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0A Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 1:44 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel lot82" =0A=0AJim,=0A=0ATwo words. Carburetor Ic e.=0A=0AHere is a link to a story on his website describing the circumstanc es as well as information to help others avoid the same situation.=0A=0Ahtt p://flycorvair.com/carbice.html=0A=0A--------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0ATerry Hand =0AAthens, GA=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums == ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Cable tension
Date: Dec 22, 2013
Control cables need to have no slack, but not be so tight as to put undue stress on the control surfaces (which are wood). Having said that, you will find due to the unique geometry of the elevator control system that it is impossible to keep the up and down cables tight at all time.. As in many things Pietenpol related, you just have to exercise your own judgement. For the bracing wires, again you don't want slack, and opposing cables should have approximately the same tension. The easiest way to determine this is to pluck them like a guitar string and see if you get about the same note (Thummmm) from them. If you have a tensiometer, fine. Go ahead and use it, but it is probably not necessary. Of course, such tensioning methods for the flying wires and bracing wires are to give a starting point. It may be necessary to tighten or loosen one slightly to move a flying surface in such a way as to get the airplane "in rig". That's why they need to be adjustable. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fastnaught Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension Actually all the cables but for now the control cables. Thanks, Jack Sent from my iPad > On Dec 22, 2013, at 5:45 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > > > Control cables, drag and anti-drag wires, flying wires or bracing wires? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Fastnaught > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:35 PM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable tension > > > > I'm about to assemble the airframe before covering and am curious about > cable tension. Do we use 43.13 tensions or is their something special on the > cables? > Jack > N144JF > Ford powered > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: apology
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Dec 22, 2013
I wanted to eat a little crow here. I made a snide remark about the list while replying to another question. it seems I had asked nearly the same question a few days earlier and although 70 or so folks read my question no one answered. I admire all these builders here and im gonna need some help on this journey I don't want to be considered un-gratefull. Please accept my apology I don't want to be a bad egg. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416084#416084 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: apology
Date: Dec 22, 2013
Apology accepted. There's a lot of good info available here, but as Ryan Mueller commented, many of the questions being raised have been answered many times over the last 16 years, and people get tired of answering them again, when the questions and answers are available in the archives. And most of the questions can be abswered by just reading Tony Bingelis' books and actually thinking about the problem and coming up with a solution, instead of immediately asking someone else how they solved the problem. To be honest, most of the fun I had bulding my Pietenpol was coming up with solutions to these problems. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: apology I wanted to eat a little crow here. I made a snide remark about the list while replying to another question. it seems I had asked nearly the same question a few days earlier and although 70 or so folks read my question no one answered. I admire all these builders here and im gonna need some help on this journey I don't want to be considered un-gratefull. Please accept my apology I don't want to be a bad egg. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416084#416084 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: adding trim
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2013
680lbs, stitts polyfiber sys, automobile imron paint on fuse only -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416088#416088 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: adding trim
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2013
thanks for the info. please let me know how the trim works. my fuse and tail are finished.. now would be the right time to add a trim.. also I have read that the piet with a ford a weighs about 695 I would have guessed yours would have been a good bit less. thanks for the info. im using an a65 and the same prop jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416090#416090 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: adding trim
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2013
..will do. -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416093#416093 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: one extra rib
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 23, 2013
... Adam was a cheap bastard. LOL, WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416102#416102 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel Lines and Cabanes
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Dec 23, 2013
im confused. I thought we were here to get tips and get help with building. instead i get an email about glass cockpits and ntsb reports. I think the subject should be st uck to but no one asked me. stay with this site and filter out all of the bs. there is good info but also lots of bs that should be handled off site with personal e mails. :) Braniff1966 wrote: > if you are a glass cockpit guy consider looking at the ntsb site recorded hearing on the asiana accident. watch dave mckennys portion group three. he is my human factors chairman Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416104#416104 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: adding trim
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 23, 2013
...btw, that part # for that T-handle cable is 05-15200 at Spruce if you're interested in the same cable...$26. It's 12' in length. Just cut it to fit. -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416120#416120 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cold Flights
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Dec 23, 2013
Hello Pieters, I find it very interesting to read about how we are using our birds. Most would consider them fair weather airplanes and to some that is all they are. I for one do like the occasional cold flight. Mostly when flying over a fresh snow fall. One flight in particular my wife and I flew over some pine covered mountains about 100' above the trees after a heavy snow fall. Very pretty flight, the engine and prop noise knocked the snow from the tree branches as we flew by. The flight was so beautiful that we forgot that we were even cold. Try it if you ever get the chance. Happy holidays to all and congratulations to all who made first flights in 2013. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416123#416123 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: one extra rib
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Dec 23, 2013
Thank you all for the huge laugh this morning. It took me a minute to digest the first question. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416125#416125 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: one extra rib
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 23, 2013
I hate to waste anything ...a tree even ifs its only a spruce had to give its life for that to make that rib :-) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416131#416131 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 23, 2013
Subject: Re: apology
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
I now try look at uncle Tony's books and then do a quick search through the archives. But often I need the question answered my way. I have posted questions and got no answers so I restate the question from a different. On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> > > Apology accepted. There's a lot of good info available here, but as Ryan > Mueller commented, many of the questions being raised have been answered > many times over the last 16 years, and people get tired of answering them > again, when the questions and answers are available in the archives. > > And most of the questions can be abswered by just reading Tony Bingelis' > books and actually thinking about the problem and coming up with a > solution, > instead of immediately asking someone else how they solved the problem. To > be honest, most of the fun I had bulding my Pietenpol was coming up with > solutions to these problems. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:35 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: apology > > > I wanted to eat a little crow here. I made a snide remark about the list > while replying to another question. it seems I had asked nearly the same > question a few days earlier and although 70 or so folks read my question > no one answered. I admire all these builders here and im gonna need some > help on this journey I don't want to be considered un-gratefull. Please > accept my apology I don't want to be a bad egg. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416084#416084 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 23, 2013
Subject: Re: apology
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Oops, dog hit the keyboard, Really! I now try look at uncle Tony's books and then do a quick search through the archives. But often I need the question answered my way. I have posted questions and got no answers so I restate the question from a different angle. Sometimes I am then given good directions to Uncle Tony or the list. Don't Stop asking. On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Steven Dortch wrote: > I now try look at uncle Tony's books and then do a quick search through > the archives. But often I need the question answered my way. I have posted > questions and got no answers so I restate the question from a different. > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > >> jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> >> >> Apology accepted. There's a lot of good info available here, but as Ryan >> Mueller commented, many of the questions being raised have been answered >> many times over the last 16 years, and people get tired of answering them >> again, when the questions and answers are available in the archives. >> >> And most of the questions can be abswered by just reading Tony Bingelis' >> books and actually thinking about the problem and coming up with a >> solution, >> instead of immediately asking someone else how they solved the problem. >> To >> be honest, most of the fun I had bulding my Pietenpol was coming up with >> solutions to these problems. >> >> Jack Phillips >> NX899JP >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken >> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:35 PM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: apology >> >> >> I wanted to eat a little crow here. I made a snide remark about the list >> while replying to another question. it seems I had asked nearly the same >> question a few days earlier and although 70 or so folks read my question >> no one answered. I admire all these builders here and im gonna need >> some >> help on this journey I don't want to be considered un-gratefull. Please >> accept my apology I don't want to be a bad egg. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416084#416084 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 23, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: apology
No apology required, although I do appreciate you doing so. I do not believe that Matt has put any type of question asking restriction or repeated question asking space usage restriction on his, (this) site, so I am one that feels it is OK to ask away! Those whom do not wish to answer the same question over and over do not need to do so. Most people get the "See Tony's books" or "check the archives" answers just because as new people arrive here, they may not know such tools exist. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 23, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Arrow Fest III...sorta...
As some of you may know, I usually take a chunk of time off around the holidays to dedicate to a major build on my plane. This year, I do not have as much to build, (a good thing) but I still have a lofty goal in mind. I would like to wrap up work on my engine cooling inlets, (eye brows, eye lashes, eye sore...) of my own design and also finish the engine cowling and exhaust heat muff. Maybe even get some of these items painted. Today is my last day of work until the 21st. Even with some family commitments here and there, I hope to get a lot done. I would also like to take time to do a write up or two for the newsletter and maybe another HINT video, but the above will be the priority. All in due time... If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Off Subject
Date: Dec 23, 2013
Merry Christmas from the Big Piet Builders (Georgia) Barry NX973BP ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 23, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Off Subject
Considering the time of year, very much ON subject!=0A-=0AMerry Christmas !-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenp ol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: apology
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Dec 23, 2013
Christmas came just in time, with a strong hint to my daughter I think uncle Tony's books will be under the tree, yipppeee Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416150#416150 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: adding trim
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 23, 2013
TriScout: Why would anyone need to approve anything that you do to your experimental aircraft if it's already registered and airworthy? If you have it installed by the time the annual condition inspection is conducted, it will be inspected like any other part of the aircraft, but you don't need approval or sign-off on it. I would make a logbook entry in the airframe log to document the change. The caveat is that you must decide whether adding the trim tab constitutes a "major change" or not. Here's the definition from 14 CFR 21.93: A minor change is one that has no appreciable effect on the weight, balance, structural strength, reliability, operational characteristics, or other characteristics affecting the airworthiness of the product. All other changes are major changes. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416152#416152 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Off Subject
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 23, 2013
Well, from the West Coast builders to you Piet folks on the East Coast, best wishes for a joyful and blessed Christmas! And just out of curiosity, do you east coast and southern Pieters consider Sun 'n' Fun as your unofficial Piet gathering? I guess it's 'only' 840 miles from Atlanta to Brodhead, but that's more of a stretch than the 454 miles from Atlanta to Lakeland so I figured it was the best opportunity for Piets to gather down there, or possibly the 460 miles to the Lee Bottom Flying Field in Hanover, IN. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416153#416153 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Arrow Fest III...sorta...
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 23, 2013
Mike; Good for you, planning to maximize your available build time over the holidays. One thing I might mention about fabricating your cowl is that you should of course try removing and reinstalling the cowling with everything installed on the engine, before the cowling is painted. My setup is with the usual top and bottom halves of the cowling joined by piano hinges to make either half removable without disturbing the other half by pulling the hinge pins, and that's a good thing. The removable top half makes servicing the top plugs, mags, harnesses, oil screen, and other stuff pretty easy, and it comes off readily. It's the bottom half that causes the problems, and it needs to come off when you have to get to the carb, air box, oil sump, lower plugs, or anything else "down under". My bottom half is in three pieces (four, actually)... the bottom and two sides, also joined with piano hinges but without removable pins, fixed to half of the nose piece. Picture here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CEA_Piet04.jpg The fact that the lower cowling is in several pieces with hinges allows it to be flexed and maneuvered, but the problem is the exhaust stacks, which contact the cowling pieces as I maneuver it to clear the air filter and carb heat box, which scratches the paint on the lower cowling. There's not really much to be done about it other than having a helper around when you pull the cowlings (rarely the case), or wrapping the stacks with soft rags or towels before pulling the cowling, or just not caring too much if you get minor paint scratches (which is my case with Scout, since I just shoot some Rustoleum Ford Implement Blue on things from time to time). You'll see from the picture that the stacks are usually fabricated tucked in to the sides of the cowling, which helps with streamlining but means you have to sneak past them with the cowling. By all means do some test-fitting with everything in place before you paint, or you may end up crying when you get some scratches. Scout has long since forgiven me for scratches, and now doesn't even grumble unless I break or bend something ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416154#416154 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: adding trim
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 23, 2013
this is a big change... having another set of eyes is always a plus. even if not required... synergy is always a good plan. hopefully you will get good input from this group. my thought is that adding a moving flight control is possibly a major change. there are folks that do know and it aint me :D so I guess im wasting your time [Embarassed] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416155#416155 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Chuck Campbell <cncampbell(at)outlook.com>
Subject: one extra rib
Date: Dec 24, 2013
Jack=2C whatdaya mean -- "think". We are. Chuck > From: jack(at)bedfordlandings.com > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: one extra rib > Date: Sun=2C 22 Dec 2013 06:44:02 -0500 > gs.com> > > You must be a fighter pilot. They all think they're God :-) > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Braniff19 66 > Sent: Sunday=2C December 22=2C 2013 12:04 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: one extra rib > > > i just finished making both wings and center section.. i have one extra r ib > left over and have been working on it all day to make me a girlfriend. i > heard that some dude did it many years ago...does anyone have a set of > plans. tomorrow is sunday and i have to take the day to rest. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416034#416034 > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Ford Model A for sale on eBay
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 24, 2013
Just passing it along. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aircraft-Ford-Model-A-Engine-w-New-Watson-Propeller-Zero-Time-Since-Rebuild-/310826432120?forcerrptr=true&hash=item485eb2f678&item=310826432120&pt=Motors_Aircraft -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416162#416162 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: Off Subject
Date: Dec 24, 2013
Since I've flown my Pietenpol to Brodhead 5 times, and Oshkosh 3 times, but only once to Sun 'n'Fun, I wouldn't consider it my unofficial Pietenpol gathering. I'm planning to fly it to Triple Tree next summer. That's probably the best grass-roots fly-in this side of the Appalachians. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 11:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Off Subject Well, from the West Coast builders to you Piet folks on the East Coast, best wishes for a joyful and blessed Christmas! And just out of curiosity, do you east coast and southern Pieters consider Sun 'n' Fun as your unofficial Piet gathering? I guess it's 'only' 840 miles from Atlanta to Brodhead, but that's more of a stretch than the 454 miles from Atlanta to Lakeland so I figured it was the best opportunity for Piets to gather down there, or possibly the 460 miles to the Lee Bottom Flying Field in Hanover, IN. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416153#416153 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 24, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Arrow Fest III...sorta...
Thanks for the reply Oscar. I am actually burning HINT videos and won't be looking at the picture link you sent quite yet.- I have Mike C's. cowling templates, but my setup is quite a bit different from his and the template s won't do me much good...looks like I will be starting from scratch.=0A- =0AI have straight stacks for the exhaust and it appears they will be well outside the engine cowling itself. Once I am finished with my cooling intak es, I will go back to making the aerodynamic fairings/heat muff for the exh aust.- I have one cooling intake complete...just finished it about an hou r ago...and I think it came out great!- Well, technically it is not finis hed...I still need to replace all the screws holding it together with rivet s and nut plates. How well it actually performs, as with everything else, i s yet to be seen. Once the exhaust is complete, I will move on to figuring out how to fabricate the engine cowling, get it to fit around everything an d still be user friendly on the various aspects you pointed out in your pos t.=0A-=0AScratched paint...I've had my cooling inlets made and re-made I don't know how many times and probably 3X that amount installed and removed from the engine. Surprised I have paint still on the engine at all!- Tha t cool weathered/scratched/used look just as character... (I'm-talking ab out the plane.)=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael P erez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero.co m/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: adding trim
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 24, 2013
...all valid points. I always leave things up to my AI/DAR. Since he signs the books, it's his dept. Last annual, he said I needed an ELT, so I ordered the new 406 model ($588) w/in an hour of his suggestion. braniff is right... I figure an extra set of eyes can't hurt. When I tried for the Annual this year, it was a no-go. My machine is currently grounded until he finds the time to help change the rubber push rod housing bushings. There are no leaks, but the bushings are showing cracks (see picture). He will not sign it off until we get the new ones on. We'll have to pull the cylinders to get to them. He's tough on mx, and I approve this message. -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416167#416167 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_11_556.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 24, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: prop finish
I wanted to take a few close up shots of my propeller as finished- and po st them before I forgot.=0A-=0AThe first is of the front side and the sec ond is the back, engine side.-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seat s.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetaker aero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Off Subject
From: Keith <goffelectric(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 24, 2013
That would be great to see some Piets at Triple Tree. Their were hundreds of planes this year and only one Piet that I saw. It was a very nice steel tube plane, white and blue with Mickey and Minnie on the tail. I hung around it for a while hoping to meet the owner but never did. Merry Christmas everyone, Keith Goff Sent from my iPad > On Dec 24, 2013, at 1:08 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > > > Since I've flown my Pietenpol to Brodhead 5 times, and Oshkosh 3 times, but > only once to Sun 'n'Fun, I wouldn't consider it my unofficial Pietenpol > gathering. > > I'm planning to fly it to Triple Tree next summer. That's probably the best > grass-roots fly-in this side of the Appalachians. > But never di > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 11:57 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Off Subject > > > Well, from the West Coast builders to you Piet folks on the East Coast, best > wishes for a joyful and blessed Christmas! And just out of curiosity, do > you east coast and southern Pieters consider Sun 'n' Fun as your unofficial > Piet gathering? I guess it's 'only' 840 miles from Atlanta to Brodhead, but > that's more of a stretch than the 454 miles from Atlanta to Lakeland so I > figured it was the best opportunity for Piets to gather down there, or > possibly the 460 miles to the Lee Bottom Flying Field in Hanover, IN. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416153#416153 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: adding trim
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 24, 2013
Neat! ... I'll run that by my mechanic. Thx for the info -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416180#416180 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 25, 2013
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: adding trim
I believe the cylinders will still need to be removed initally to remove th e old tubes. Yes?-I have a second engine that I will rebuild someday and I will be looking into making this change for that one.=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretak er Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Uncle Tony's Books
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 25, 2013
Oscar, Now can we be friends again? Gary Sent from my iPhone

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Date: Dec 25, 2013
Subject: Re: Uncle Tony's Books
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
Mentioned the books to my daughter....got the whole set for Christmas!! On Dec 25, 2013 9:22 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > Oscar, > > Now can we be friends again? > > > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone >
> > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > www.mypilotstore.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> > http://forums.matronics.com> >
> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Uncle Tony's Books
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Dec 25, 2013
aren't daughters great! Mine got me a set as well . trouble is now I cant play stupid anymore.. Merry Christmas Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416189#416189 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Uncle Tony's Books
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 25, 2013
That's where mine came from, too! Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 25, 2013, at 9:29 AM, "aviken" wrote: > > > aren't daughters great! Mine got me a set as well . trouble is now I cant play stupid anymore.. Merry Christmas > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416189#416189 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 25, 2013
Subject: Re: Uncle Tony's Books
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
'course the fun starts when you actually crack open the books and begin putting Uncle Tony's advice to work. Here's a grommet plate I made yesterday based on his recommendations. It took maybe fifteen minutes. Cost nothing because I had some galvanized flashing on hand. If it is too large, too small, too ugly, too whatever, I can make another and another and another. All thanks to Mr. Bingelis. These run $9.50 each, plus shipping from ACS. Merry Christmas. Cheers, Ken On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > That's where mine came from, too! > > Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 25, 2013, at 9:29 AM, "aviken" wrote: > > > > > > aren't daughters great! Mine got me a set as well . trouble is now I > cant play stupid anymore.. Merry Christmas > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416189#416189 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 25, 2013
Subject: Re: Uncle Tony's Books
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
... helps if I actually attach the attachment. On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > 'course the fun starts when you actually crack open the books and begin > putting Uncle Tony's advice to work. Here's a grommet plate I made > yesterday based on his recommendations. It took maybe fifteen minutes. > Cost nothing because I had some galvanized flashing on hand. If it is too > large, too small, too ugly, too whatever, I can make another and another > and another. All thanks to Mr. Bingelis. These run $9.50 each, plus > shipping from ACS. > > Merry Christmas. Cheers, Ken > > > On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > >> >> That's where mine came from, too! >> >> Gary >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Dec 25, 2013, at 9:29 AM, "aviken" wrote: >> > >> > >> > aren't daughters great! Mine got me a set as well . trouble is now >> I cant play stupid anymore.. Merry Christmas >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416189#416189 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Uncle Tony's Books
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 26, 2013
Gary; you're off probation, but it's going to be a long time till we can actually be friends again ;o) But hey, I see that the books now come in a spiral binding that permits them to lay flat on the bench. Nice touch! I sure wish I had remembered that the books show how to make those firewall shields. I just paid $11.50 for one from Aircraft Spruce, for my tach cable. I've had a giant grommet in the hole in the firewall, but I had to glop it with sealant to hold it in place because the cable is too stiff and kept pulling the grommet out of the hole. It was ugly. A large hole is needed in the firewall to pass the connectors on the end of a tach cable. The 2-piece metal shield is just the thing for the tach cable hole, so that's what I've got now. I did pull out one of the books the other day when I was trying to remember which hole in the turn-and-bank was the vacuum and which was the static. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416218#416218 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: adding trim
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 26, 2013
Michael; I had the same question about replacing the pushrod tubes. I thought maybe the pushrods could be pulled out through the head and then the old tubes could be hacksawed out in two pieces or something. That would require removal of the rockers though. It would spare the task of pulling the jugs, but wouldn't be a simple task in any case. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416219#416219 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: adding trim
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 26, 2013
here is where u can get the real answer.. drop me an e mail at JNL96(at)yahoo.com or call at 817 578 1215.. I will give u his number and address, he may want to use your question in kitplane article.. this guy is a real pro and a very nice person..that way u can get the straight scoop and not depend on on wood hackers like ME [Idea] if ur question had not been posted I would have just try it.. the rules changed about 2 years ago..at worse my GUESS would be a 5 hour flyoff...mel ashberry will know. your question is a very good one and needs an answer not a guess from anyone like me... best of luck.. I ordered my cable... why did you want it on the floor?.. be sure to make it small enough that you can over power it with elevator if you forget and leave it in a full up or down position.. jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416221#416221 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: adding trim
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 26, 2013
thx braniff -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416228#416228 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: adding trim
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Dec 27, 2013
Jerry is absolutely correct. Easy Piesy, The only thing I can add to his comment is to make sure you put the push rod back in the same location you removed it from. Nothing to it. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416239#416239 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Dumas Pietenpol Model
From: "Larry Williams" <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 27, 2013
Just started working on my Christmas present; a Dumas Models 36" Pietenpol kit. One of the first things I noticed was that the rudder L.E. is a scale 3/4" longer than the fin/fuselage rear post. That's a REAL Pietenpol Air Camper!!! Love it. -------- L.V.Williams XCG, XCMR,EPP USHPA, EAA, AMA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416247#416247 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Dumas Pietenpol Model
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 27, 2013
TC: I've examined the photos of Niner-Niner-Lima-Whiskey and it does not appear that the rudder LE is taller than anything ahead of it. Can you clarify? -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416249#416249 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/nx899lw2_518.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Dumas Pietenpol Model
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 27, 2013
D'oh-! You were talking about the *bottom* of the rudder, weren't you? Just now noticed that. I'd better leave off all the letters after my name from now on. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416250#416250 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Dumas Pietenpol Model
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 29, 2013
Larry, Since you once made the cover of "RC Modeler" magazine due to your fine skills, I am positive the Dumas will be beautiful! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416360#416360 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Nothing important
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 31, 2013
Thank you to all of you for all that you did for the group. See you on fourteen; Happy new year ! -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416401#416401 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Nothing important
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Dec 31, 2013
Happy new year ... I just looked at your pictures. You are a very good craftsman. Your airplane is fantastic. Keep up the good work and post more pictures. Are you flying it yet ? You seem so close to finishing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416403#416403 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Creative Clamping
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Dec 31, 2013
This has been a challenge I wasnt expecting during the build. Ive used tape, rubber bands, paper clips, wedges and anything I can think of to clamp glue joints. It keeps my mind working and I hear that is a good thing. Happy New Year all! -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416409#416409 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc08078_213.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Creative Clamping
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Date: Dec 31, 2013
I have had the same experience. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_6157.JPG http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_6070.JPG My TE is a tongue and groove design and it was held on with electrical tape while the epoxy dried. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_5049.JPG I found the cheap plastic bar clamps from Harbor Freight to be great for building with epoxy. They are cheap, do not clamp very tight, they are cheap, the epoxy wont stick to them and they are cheap. Did I mention they were cheap? This way if they get wrecked you can toss them. To date no nails have been harmed in the building of my plane. Chris -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416410#416410 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Creative Clamping
Date: Dec 31, 2013
Looks like good work, John! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Creative Clamping --> This has been a challenge I wasnt expecting during the build. Ive used tape, rubber bands, paper clips, wedges and anything I can think of to clamp glue joints. It keeps my mind working and I hear that is a good thing. Happy New Year all! -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416409#416409 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc08078_213.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Scouting for a new home
Date: Dec 31, 2013
Howdy=2C low 'n' slow fliers=3B It sure has been quiet on the list the last week or two! Well=2C as the co ntroller says on the radio=2C "Experimental Four-One-Charlie-Charlie=2C wha t are your intentions?"... I'll put this out as one of my early New Year's resolutions: it is my intention to sell my Air Camper in 2014. Not right this minute=2C but in a few months. Besides a pair of kayaks and a rowboat that I'm waiting to get started on =2C I have three other aircraft building projects in various stages of comp letion waiting in line after it and I only have one hangar=2C so Scout will be scouting for a new home. I have about 5 months to get it in shape to m ove=2C and that means wrapping up the tweaks that I've been putting on it =2C getting a fresh annual condition inspection=2C and getting in some last fun flights this spring before I fly it down to Frazier Lake for the West Coast fly-in in June. I am planning to make that a one-way trip down for N X41CC=2C with the hope of leaving it with its new buyer there or someplace in that vicinity. I will also fly it to a new buyer's location if it's alm ost anyplace in Washington=2C Oregon=2C California=2C or Nevada. I know these are not the best of economic times so if I don't sell it in Ju ne=2C I will probably hangar it down at Hanford in care of my friend Pat Pa nzera until the KR fly-in happens down in Chino in September=2C then I'll f ly it down there for that event as well as to see if anyone is interested i n it down in SoCal. If it doesn't sell at Chino=2C I plan to fly it over t o Casa Grande Oct. 23-25 for the Copperstate fly-in to see if I can find a buyer for it there. If it doesn't sell there=2C I'll probably fly it back to Hanford for the winter. In any event=2C it will be for sale in a few mo nths and I'll post more information and links to a webpage with pictures at that time. Meanwhile "move along... there's nothing to see here!" =3Bo) I'm not giving up on Piets=2C not leaving the Piet list=2C just planning to move on to other things and I also want to share the joy of Pietenpoling w ith someone who has the interest in flying these really fun little airplane s and who understands Scout. In my hangar I still have all of the plywood =2C spar stock=2C and other wood needed to construct the bones of another A ir Camper. I also have a complete new set of landing gear legs and bracket s with spoked motorcycle-wheels/tires and brakes=2C a tailwheel=2C pulleys =2C and various other bits needed to make a good start on another Piet. I have the templates and prototype for making all-aluminum=2C non-rib-stitche d wing ribs with gapless=2C hingeless metal ailerons for Air Camper wings =2C so who knows if I'll jump into that project somewhere down the line. Happy 2014=2C and here's looking at you=2C kid! Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scouting for a new home
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 01, 2014
Oscar, Since you have KR brain. Do you happen to know my dad. Sparky Sparks at Gellispie Field in San Diego? He has been flying one for about 30 years. He too is putting his Piet up for sale. Happy new year, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416425#416425 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scouting for a new home
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 01, 2014
Scott; I do not know Sparky. Tell him to keep his Piet off the market until mine sells though ;o) Actually, I'm glad that these airplanes "make the rounds" and don't just get stuck back in dusty hangars... that means more people can enjoy them. Kind of like those old '55-'57 Chevies that just keep changing hands every couple of years but still show up at the popular places on weekends and nice days. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416434#416434 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scouting for a new home
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 01, 2014
uh... would Sparky have a GN-1? I got a ride from who I think was sparky WAY back, in Gilespie, in San Diego, courtesy of a connection from Stewart Cochran, in about 1995 or so. He built a piet and gave it to his son, who was an engineer on the B2 program... There's a pic somewhere of that piet and a B2 bomber somewhere that I cannot find any more. I'm sure it's in the BPA newsletter somewhere. I got a ride in a plane he bought, a grega, which was the first open cockpit airplane ride I ever had. I used to live less than 10 miles from there. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416436#416436 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Creative Clamping
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 01, 2014
I frequently get asked advice about setting up a shop and what to buy... I routinely advise to spend no more than a hunnert bucks on a table saw, but invest at least a grand on clamps. For as many years as I can remember if ANY one asks me what I want for Christmas, it's clamps. Big ones, small ones, expensive ones, cheap ones, don't really matter. If it can clamp something, it's useful! Clamps are like blood to a builder! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416438#416438 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Creative Clamping
Date: Jan 01, 2014
I have over 100 clamps and we ran out building the piet. Seems like you ju st can't have to many. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Creative Clamping > From: n0kkj(at)yahoo.com > Date: Wed=2C 1 Jan 2014 16:09:13 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > I frequently get asked advice about setting up a shop and what to buy... > > I routinely advise to spend no more than a hunnert bucks on a table saw =2C but invest at least a grand on clamps. > > For as many years as I can remember if ANY one asks me what I want for Ch ristmas=2C it's clamps. Big ones=2C small ones=2C expensive ones=2C cheap o nes=2C don't really matter. If it can clamp something=2C it's useful! > > Clamps are like blood to a builder! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416438#416438 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Creative Clamping
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 01, 2014
Oh, yes! You will get resounding 'dittos' from every builder on this list when it comes to clamps. Collect them, hoard them, get as many different types of them as you can. When you see them on sale somewhere, buy them even if you think you already have enough. Spring clamps, ratchet clamps, bar clamps, C-clamps... little ones, big ones, bigger ones. And don't overlook the obvious ones around the house... wooden clothespins are clamps, too! Cargo tie-down straps are clamps. Bungees are clamps. Anything that can hold things together or pull them into place will find a use in your shop or hangar, especially if you work alone. If you ever want to give a great gift to a builder or woodworker and you don't know what to get them, just go down the aisle with your cart and put together a "Big Box O' Clamps" and you will be assured of a big grin and a hearty 'thank-you' from the recipient. Having clamps is like having money in the bank. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416448#416448 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Creative Clamping
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Jan 02, 2014
My wife complained when I told her we needed to stop at Harbor freight for more clamps. She thought the arm load I had already bought was sufficient. Now I find when building ribs, Im still short. The rib in the jig takes most of my small clamps, and I can't put the opposite side gussets on the rib I finished the day before. So it's back to Harbor freight! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416456#416456 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Ailerons, up and down
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 02, 2014
Hello, I am reading a LAA TADS 047 Pietenpol Aircamper ( I tink you know what iti is, don't you?) and it said about the ailerons deflection the following: 15 Up, and 20 Down. My question is.. How do you do that? this problem do not lose my sleep, but I can not see how to do it. -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416457#416457 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Ailerons, up and down
Date: Jan 02, 2014
Mario not sure of your question, how to measure? I used a digital angle finder. If you don't have one you can calculate and cut from cardboard like attached. Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ailerons, up and down Hello, I am reading a LAA TADS 047 Pietenpol Aircamper ( I tink you know what iti is, don't you?) and it said about the ailerons deflection the following: 15=C2=B0 Up, and 20=C2=B0 Down. My question is.. How do you do that? this problem do not lose my sleep, but I can not see how to do it. -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416457#416457 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scouting for a new home
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 02, 2014
Hey tools, Yes it is the same Sparky. He handed my Piet to me in 1993. He acquired his current GN-1 from a close friend of his. It was damaged in a ground loop. Dad rebuilt it and has been flying it since. The same plane you flew in. I used to take my Piet to the Edwards AFB fly in every year. One morning I Was able to push the Piet over to the B2 and got a great pic. At the time I was a mechanic at LAFD. I am now an Equipment Specialist at LAFD. I design and write the specifications for all the fire departments equipment. I never did work on the B2. Dad said he was ready to sell his GN-1. He wants to show the buyer that it is a good flyer and then sell it as parts or project. Let the new owner do what he wants with it. Maybe recover it and license it as a new plane. It has an O-200 w about 300hours SMOH. The fuse is 2 inches wider and deeper. It makes it nice and roomy. Dad also has his KR2 and flies it weekly. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416461#416461 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ailerons, up and down
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 02, 2014
Mario, I think I understand what you are asking. The geometry of the aileron horn will automatically provide the required differential. As seen in the attached clip from the plans, the aileron horn is designed so that the top arm (distance between connection point and pivot point) is shorter than the bottom arm. Thus, when the control cable is pulled a given distance (say 1 inch), the top arm will swing through a larger angle than it would if connected to the bottom arm. Because the control cables can only be pulled (not pushed), the movements of the ailerons are governed by the cables that are being pulled. The tensions in the control cables will, of course be uneven, but this is normal. Hope this helps. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416464#416464 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_horn_423.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ailerons, up and down
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 02, 2014
One more thing. I think the numbers you mentioned must be reversed. In differential aileron control, the "up" deflection is typically greater than the "down" deflection. The geometry of the Pietenpol aileron horn would produce a greater "up" deflection than "down", for a given input. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416465#416465 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Steel-tube fuselage update - fuselage dolly
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 02, 2014
Hello good Piet-ple, Happy New Year to you all..... The holiday break gave me a nice long period to work on my Pietenpol project. The majority of that time was spent building a "rotating dolly" for my fuselage. This dolly will allow better access for the welder to install the landing gear attach fittings. The dolly will then be used during the sandblasting, priming, painting, and eventually the fabric covering process. The pivot assembly is a ball-bearing pivot from a dolly wheel assembly, so the whole fuselage rotates with just a touch of a finger. I can stop/lock the rotation with a steel pin into a number of set positions. I have been coordinating with a company called "Applied Finishing" in Everett, WA who will be painting all my metal parts. I have the first batch almost ready to go. By using a vendor to do the painting I do not have to invest in an air compressor or painting booth, guns, etc. They will be using aircraft epoxy, all FAA approved coatings. I next modified my passenger stick (as Mike Cuy and other Pietenpol builders have done) to make it removable. A friend machined slot into an aluminum bar that will slip into the lower portion of the stick. This will allow the passenger stick to be removed for those who do not want "stick time" or for times when I carry extra gear in the forward cockpit. Here's to fun and more good progress in 2014....! Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416467#416467 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pax_stick_815.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/parts_prior_to_paint_134.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuselage_dolly_139.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 02, 2014
Subject: Re: Ailerons, up and down
This is the answer I was waiting. Thank you Bill, now I can sleep pacefully. the doc I talk about is this one: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzIyXuiMtrYAVWh3UFdqdGNaODQ/edit?usp=sharing Regards Mario Giacummo 2014/1/2 Bill Church > billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> > > Mario, > I think I understand what you are asking. > The geometry of the aileron horn will automatically provide the required > differential. As seen in the attached clip from the plans, the aileron > horn is designed so that the top arm (distance between connection point and > pivot point) is shorter than the bottom arm. Thus, when the control cable > is pulled a given distance (say 1 inch), the top arm will swing through a > larger angle than it would if connected to the bottom arm. Because the > control cables can only be pulled (not pushed), the movements of the > ailerons are governed by the cables that are being pulled. The tensions in > the control cables will, of course be uneven, but this is normal. > Hope this helps. > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416464#416464 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_horn_423.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ailerons, up and down
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 02, 2014
Bill, This is the data to which he was referring. Is that a typo in the U.K. Data Sheet? Just curious. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416472#416472 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_110.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scouting for a new home
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 02, 2014
Dang, small world! Glad to hear your dad is doing well. That was a pretty cool flight for me. It IS a great flying airplane, lots of power, roomy for a Piet, for sure. I'm sure your dad will remember Stewart, I'm still in regular touch with him, visited him south of Dallas last May. Him and Marg are doing really really well. I've got a good pic of my A4 next to my dad's Hatz, and always thought that pic of the B2 and your Piet was fantastic. Post it if you have it and are able, would love to archive it. Not sure if he'll remember taking me along (got to thinking it was probably earlier than 95, possibly a couple years, seem to recall he just got the GN-1 flying), I definitely got the feeling he gave lots of rides, but pass along my continuing thanks and well wishes for the new year! Cheers, Mike Danford Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416473#416473 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scouting for a new home
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 02, 2014
By the way, also always thought it would be so cool to have "dad's" plane, I'm quite jealous. I'll probably take a stab some day at finding my dad's old plane. Not sure where I got the idea you worked on the B2. However, just makes it all that more impressive you got to get next to it considering you didn't! Especially way back then. I used to fly a lot of approaches at Wightman and they got hinky if you even considered flying over the ramp, much less walking up to one... Cheers! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416474#416474 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - fuselage dolly
Date: Jan 02, 2014
Excellent work, very nice! Ray Krause SkyScout coming along Sent from my iPad > On Jan 2, 2014, at 1:41 PM, "aerocarjake" wrote: > > > Hello good Piet-ple, > > Happy New Year to you all..... > > The holiday break gave me a nice long period to work on my Pietenpol project. The majority of that time was spent building a "rotating dolly" for my fuselage. This dolly will allow better access for the welder to install the landing gear attach fittings. The dolly will then be used during the sandblasting, priming, painting, and eventually the fabric covering process. The pivot assembly is a ball-bearing pivot from a dolly wheel assembly, so the whole fuselage rotates with just a touch of a finger. I can stop/lock the rotation with a steel pin into a number of set positions. > > I have been coordinating with a company called "Applied Finishing" in Everett, WA who will be painting all my metal parts. I have the first batch almost ready to go. By using a vendor to do the painting I do not have to invest in an air compressor or painting booth, guns, etc. They will be using aircraft epoxy, all FAA approved coatings. > > I next modified my passenger stick (as Mike Cuy and other Pietenpol builders have done) to make it removable. A friend machined slot into an aluminum bar that will slip into the lower portion of the stick. This will allow the passenger stick to be removed for those who do not want "stick time" or for times when I carry extra gear in the forward cockpit. > > Here's to fun and more good progress in 2014....! > > Jake > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416467#416467 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/pax_stick_815.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/parts_prior_to_paint_134.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuselage_dolly_139.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Creative Clamping
Date: Jan 02, 2014
Here, try this. :-) And do yourself a favour, put the handles on!! Clif > > My wife complained when I told her we needed to stop at Harbor freight for > more clamps. She thought the arm load I had already bought was > sufficient. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 03, 2014
Subject: Re: Creative Clamping
Those are the great clamps I saw/use. you can build them with differents width, diameter, etc, to have more or less pressure. A simple great idea. Mario Giacummo 2014/1/3 Clif Dawson > Here, try this. :-) > And do yourself a favour, put the handles on!! > > Clif > >> >> My wife complained when I told her we needed to stop at Harbor freight >> for more clamps. She thought the arm load I had already bought was >> sufficient. >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Jake's progress
Date: Jan 03, 2014
Way to go Jake! Nice work. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ailerons, up and down
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 03, 2014
My assumption would be that it must be a typo. The geometry of the horn will result in greater upward deflection than downward. And that is the way it should be. Here's a clip from Wikipedia (so it MUST be true) Differential ailerons By careful design of the mechanical linkages, the up aileron can be made to deflect more than the down aileron (e.g., US patent 1565097).[33] This helps reduce the likelihood of a wing tip stall when aileron deflections are made at high angles of attack. The idea is that the loss of lift associated with the up aileron carries no penalty while the increase in lift associated with the down aileron is minimized. And here's something from a website called Datwiki.net http://tinyurl.com/m69jkjl Differential Aileron Travel (airplane Control System) The difference between the upward and downward travel of an aileron. An aileron moves a greater number of degrees upward than downward to counteract adverse yaw. The downward-moving aileron produces both induced and parasite drag, but the upward-moving aileron produces only parasite drag. To prevent the combined drag causing the nose of the airplane to start to move toward the down aileron, the up aileron travels a greater distance, producing enough additional parasite drag to overcome the induced drag caused by the down aileron. See adverse yaw. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416490#416490 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ailerons, up and down
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 03, 2014
Up aileron is also in turbulent flow (aft of the separation point on the upper surface of the wing) causing less of a control force. Greater deflection is therefor a desired condition. Scott Knowlton Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2014, at 9:39 AM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > > My assumption would be that it must be a typo. The geometry of the horn will result in greater upward deflection than downward. And that is the way it should be. > > Here's a clip from Wikipedia (so it MUST be true) > > Differential ailerons > > By careful design of the mechanical linkages, the up aileron can be made to deflect more than the down aileron (e.g., US patent 1565097).[33] This helps reduce the likelihood of a wing tip stall when aileron deflections are made at high angles of attack. The idea is that the loss of lift associated with the up aileron carries no penalty while the increase in lift associated with the down aileron is minimized. > > And here's something from a website called Datwiki.net > http://tinyurl.com/m69jkjl > > > Differential Aileron Travel (airplane Control System) > > The difference between the upward and downward travel of an aileron. An aileron moves a greater number of degrees upward than downward to counteract adverse yaw. The downward-moving aileron produces both induced and parasite drag, but the upward-moving aileron produces only parasite drag. To prevent the combined drag causing the nose of the airplane to start to move toward the down aileron, the up aileron travels a greater distance, producing enough additional parasite drag to overcome the induced drag caused by the down aileron. See adverse yaw. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416490#416490 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Feb 20 to 24, hangar gathering, doing "stuff", Cha
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 03, 2014
I'm hosting an event I've done in the past primarily oriented towards helping folks with projects with tools and skills they may not normally have available. I've had folks bring broken machine parts, and we either fix them or fabricate new. Lots of demonstrations on stuff, some applies to Piets, some won't, although more of it applies that might be obvious. We'll possibly be pouring metal, aluminum most likely. We could try making hinges... Dynamic balancing, we could try my IRD Mechanalysis (a notch filter with a strobe setup that's generic, not specialized towards planes and propellers, but will work fine) balancer. We'll be playing with an old saw mill (have a poplar tree you need milled into a Piet kit?). Some machine tools, lathes, mills, shaper. Plenty of woodworking machines. I've got a wing rib jig and can mill up some materials if you want to play with that. I do have a couple model a blocks laying around if someone wants to play with one. We could strip the block, evaluate the cylinders, even bore and hone... Could try setting up a line boring jig to machine out the block/caps for inserts. I've got the tools, have never done it... I'll have welders, we've tried gas welding aluminum with mixed results... Hopefully I'll have the TIG welder fixed if you need some stuff welded together, whatever. Lots of woodworking stuff, making and milling wood gear struts is pretty easy. The place is a mess, but there's a fair amount of room so you can just crash where ever, how ever, the point is to keep it reasonably priced. No fees, registrations, rsvp's or anything. If you NEED something done, might want to discuss it a bit so materials are placed, if we need to find some outside skill, we can try, etc. I should have a career A&P IA available. He's got LOTS of experience restoring planes, building motors, etc. Great resource. There's several nice grass strips within a few miles (my runway is still soft from the leveling work, so it's probably not usable) and we'll come get ya. Also available is Lafayette GA less than 10 miles. Ramp space and avgas. There are hotels near by, rides are easily available, whatever floats your boat. I'll probably definitely be doing some recover work on 2RN, all the damage is repaired, just to fix the fabric now. I'll be stripping latex, using Stewart glue to reattach, etc. The location is just south of Chickamauga GA (south of Chatt TN). I'll post gps coordinates later. My hangar project is SLOW, but finally basically up and roofed... [img]http://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2_0_0_1_7556_AIV9w0MAAAvlUsTKXwAAAPhh4K8&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1[/img] So inclement weather shouldn't slow us down too badly. For northern folks, this might be a decent break from the C O L D!! Some folks are coming from NJ, IL, IN. There might be 10 folks, there might be a hundred (expect less couch space in that case...). Outside of tools and machining, there'll be a fair amount of eating (pass the hat, grill, get take out, whatever, not getting very formal here) and drinking. Cheers, Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416494#416494 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <don.h(at)wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: Feb 20 to 24, hangar gathering, doing "stuff", Cha
Date: Jan 03, 2014
WOW Talk about the old EAA This would be a great place to go to wish i was younger and lived closer you dont want to adopt a 73 yr old kid do you ? Don -----Original Message----- From: tools Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 10:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Feb 20 to 24, hangar gathering, doing "stuff", Cha I'm hosting an event I've done in the past primarily oriented towards helping folks with projects with tools and skills they may not normally have available. I've had folks bring broken machine parts, and we either fix them or fabricate new. Lots of demonstrations on stuff, some applies to Piets, some won't, although more of it applies that might be obvious. We'll possibly be pouring metal, aluminum most likely. We could try making hinges... Dynamic balancing, we could try my IRD Mechanalysis (a notch filter with a strobe setup that's generic, not specialized towards planes and propellers, but will work fine) balancer. We'll be playing with an old saw mill (have a poplar tree you need milled into a Piet kit?). Some machine tools, lathes, mills, shaper. Plenty of woodworking machines. I've got a wing rib jig and can mill up some materials if you want to play with that. I do have a couple model a blocks laying around if someone wants to play with one. We could strip the block, evaluate the cylinders, even bore and hone... Could try setting up a line boring jig to machine out the block/caps for inserts. I've got the tools, have never done it... I'll have welders, we've tried gas welding aluminum with mixed results... Hopefully I'll have the TIG welder fixed if you need some stuff welded together, whatever. Lots of woodworking stuff, making and milling wood gear struts is pretty easy. The place is a mess, but there's a fair amount of room so you can just crash where ever, how ever, the point is to keep it reasonably priced. No fees, registrations, rsvp's or anything. If you NEED something done, might want to discuss it a bit so materials are placed, if we need to find some outside skill, we can try, etc. I should have a career A&P IA available. He's got LOTS of experience restoring planes, building motors, etc. Great resource. There's several nice grass strips within a few miles (my runway is still soft from the leveling work, so it's probably not usable) and we'll come get ya. Also available is Lafayette GA less than 10 miles. Ramp space and avgas. There are hotels near by, rides are easily available, whatever floats your boat. I'll probably definitely be doing some recover work on 2RN, all the damage is repaired, just to fix the fabric now. I'll be stripping latex, using Stewart glue to reattach, etc. The location is just south of Chickamauga GA (south of Chatt TN). I'll post gps coordinates later. My hangar project is SLOW, but finally basically up and roofed... [img]http://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2_0_0_1_7556_AIV9w0MAAAvlUsTKXwAAAPhh4K8&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1[/img] So inclement weather shouldn't slow us down too badly. For northern folks, this might be a decent break from the C O L D!! Some folks are coming from NJ, IL, IN. There might be 10 folks, there might be a hundred (expect less couch space in that case...). Outside of tools and machining, there'll be a fair amount of eating (pass the hat, grill, get take out, whatever, not getting very formal here) and drinking. Cheers, Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416494#416494 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Feb 20 to 24, hangar gathering, doing "stuff", Cha
Date: Jan 03, 2014
I sure wish you were my next door Buddy! How about you moving to the warm, sunny Sacramento Valley of California? Guess I can't make it. Ray Krause Building SkyScout Sent from my iPad > On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:55 AM, "tools" wrote: > > > I'm hosting an event I've done in the past primarily oriented towards helping folks with projects with tools and skills they may not normally have available. > > I've had folks bring broken machine parts, and we either fix them or fabricate new. Lots of demonstrations on stuff, some applies to Piets, some won't, although more of it applies that might be obvious. We'll possibly be pouring metal, aluminum most likely. We could try making hinges... Dynamic balancing, we could try my IRD Mechanalysis (a notch filter with a strobe setup that's generic, not specialized towards planes and propellers, but will work fine) balancer. We'll be playing with an old saw mill (have a poplar tree you need milled into a Piet kit?). Some machine tools, lathes, mills, shaper. Plenty of woodworking machines. I've got a wing rib jig and can mill up some materials if you want to play with that. > > I do have a couple model a blocks laying around if someone wants to play with one. We could strip the block, evaluate the cylinders, even bore and hone... Could try setting up a line boring jig to machine out the block/caps for inserts. I've got the tools, have never done it... > > I'll have welders, we've tried gas welding aluminum with mixed results... Hopefully I'll have the TIG welder fixed if you need some stuff welded together, whatever. Lots of woodworking stuff, making and milling wood gear struts is pretty easy. > > The place is a mess, but there's a fair amount of room so you can just crash where ever, how ever, the point is to keep it reasonably priced. No fees, registrations, rsvp's or anything. If you NEED something done, might want to discuss it a bit so materials are placed, if we need to find some outside skill, we can try, etc. > > I should have a career A&P IA available. He's got LOTS of experience restoring planes, building motors, etc. Great resource. There's several nice grass strips within a few miles (my runway is still soft from the leveling work, so it's probably not usable) and we'll come get ya. Also available is Lafayette GA less than 10 miles. Ramp space and avgas. > > There are hotels near by, rides are easily available, whatever floats your boat. > > I'll probably definitely be doing some recover work on 2RN, all the damage is repaired, just to fix the fabric now. I'll be stripping latex, using Stewart glue to reattach, etc. > > The location is just south of Chickamauga GA (south of Chatt TN). I'll post gps coordinates later. > > My hangar project is SLOW, but finally basically up and roofed... > > [img]http://us-mg4.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2_0_0_1_7556_AIV9w0MAAAvlUsTKXwAAAPhh4K8&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1[/img] > > So inclement weather shouldn't slow us down too badly. For northern folks, this might be a decent break from the C O L D!! Some folks are coming from NJ, IL, IN. There might be 10 folks, there might be a hundred (expect less couch space in that case...). Outside of tools and machining, there'll be a fair amount of eating (pass the hat, grill, get take out, whatever, not getting very formal here) and drinking. > > Cheers, > > Tools > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416494#416494 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Feb 20 to 24, hangar gathering, doing "stuff", Cha
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 03, 2014
I adopt you, you adopt me... it's all the same! Seems there would be little adult supervision either way! Where do you live? Might be able to arrange a ride. In the case of 73 young... the couch and air mattress would be out, we'll find you a bed and room! We'll call it the booby prize for avoiding growing up longer than anyone else there... unless a octogenarian shows up... just sayin'. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416500#416500 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Feb 20 to 24, hangar gathering, doing "stuff", Cha
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 03, 2014
Thanks. It's not ALL that expensive. People tend to really kick in and help. We REALLY had fun at the first, the second was much smaller but still TONS of fun. Seems the less "organized", the more productive and less stressful, meaning... fun. Otherwise, I didn't collect all this junk (most of it came off a scrap truck) for no reason. No way I'm gonna wear it all out. The main concern is space. In rural Georgia, it's reasonably priced. That hangar, everything you see in the picture of it has set me back about two grand. Trusses and tin donated from a guy taking down a chicken house. Poles from the electric company for free, dimensional lumber from our sawmill and free logs. About $500 in nails... and more nails... and a decent hammer for my son... hehe. I'm just lucky enough to have a place to put it. So, the philosopy is, if you were gonna pay someone a couple hundred to weld some stuff together, buy gas and come here instead. Lodging is as free as I can make it, food is no more than anywhere else... you'll make some new friends, likely shoot some machine guns and see and play with some neat other equipment. Also a great venue to get parts moved around. I'll be making a trip from WI down to there before too long, more than willing to pick up Spruce in Madison and get it to GA, come there and get it when you can. Plenty of space to store it indoors. Buy an engine somewhere and need it moved? Position a Corvair engine block for the college so you can fly there later? All sorts of possibilities. Just would love to see some of the going ons associated with owwm.org happen here as so much of it overlaps. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416501#416501 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jake's progress
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 03, 2014
thanks Douwe..... This whole "building an airplane" thing is a lot of work, yet it is very gratifying. I'm in the "five years done and a LONG way to go" phase. Appreciate the thoughts and feedback for motivation...... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416510#416510 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Feb 20 to 24, hangar gathering, doing "stuff", Cha
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 03, 2014
So Toolapalooza 2014 is set! [Laughing] I will see if I can get up there as I have several things that I could get done. I need the assistance as well as the equipment at the Danford Aeronautical Works Inc. I guess that means that I do not have the "tools" to do the job! I will give you a call. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416523#416523 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 04, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Engine Cowling Help
-Crew, =0A=0AToday I am finally starting my engine cowling work.-- Wh at I need help with initially is how it attaches to the aircraft. I assume it is not wise to attach any of it to the engine because of movement, so do es the entire assembly cantilever off of the firewall area of the fuselage only? It seems strange to me that there is no support out by the propeller. Any help, tips, tricks or suggestions would be appreciated. =0A=0AThanks. =0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol H INT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 04, 2014
Subject: Re: Engine Cowling Help
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
I'm at the same stage as Mike, in terms of cowl fabrication, and welcome any suggestions. Mr. Bingelis has some good advice on this, but I'm sure there's additional advice from the list. Advice about what not to do is just as welcome as affirmative advice. Cheers, Ken On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > Crew, > > Today I am finally starting my engine cowling work. What I need help > with initially is how it attaches to the aircraft. I assume it is not > wise to attach any of it to the engine because of movement, so does the > entire assembly cantilever off of the firewall area of the fuselage only? > It seems strange to me that there is no support out by the propeller. Any > help, tips, tricks or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Engine Cowling Help
Date: Jan 04, 2014
Ken, As you said, Uncle Tony has good advice, including what I am about to repeat. I'm glad you took the time to access that information! My cowl came out nice, though I continue to modify it. One of my long term goals will be to reduce the 5,347 stainless screws, by at least half! With some 'noodling' I am, little by little, gathering a plan to use pins (like Mike Cuy, Greg Cardinal and a few others.) instead of some of the screws. I will also be able to employ some piano hinges that will eliminate a couple hundred more screws. What I am finding is that removing and replacing the cowl is a daunting task, and I'm sure it discourages me from looking into the engine compartment as often as I would like. Best wishes! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Cowling Help I'm at the same stage as Mike, in terms of cowl fabrication, and welcome any suggestions. Mr. Bingelis has some good advice on this, but I'm sure there's additional advice from the list. Advice about what not to do is just as welcome as affirmative advice. Cheers, Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Cowling Help
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Jan 04, 2014
For the Continentals, you might find a J-3 Cub and take a close look at the attaching method. It takes about 30 seconds to pull the clips and have the top cowl off. I have the Cub cowling off the Grega and can take pictures if you need them but looking at a J-3 in person is a lot better. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416569#416569 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cowl construction
From: Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jan 04, 2014
Ken and Michael, Here is a photo of how I did my cowl. You can see where the support tabs are located on the firewall, plus one in the center at the bottom of the firewa ll. The tabs along the top bow of the firewall are located where the cleco's are. Michael, you are right that the cowl needs to cantilever off the fire wall and not touch the engine or motor mount. Once you get it designed, bolt ed and riveted together, it's surprising how strong it is. Make sure you make good use of thin cardboard patterns before you start cutt ing metal. The cardboard I used was cardboard used to protect product on pal lets that I got for free from Tractor Supply Co. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso IN

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Subject: Re: Engine Cowling Help
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 05, 2014
The cowling on my airplane is put together essentially like those on a Cub and like on many other Piets. The top and bottom halves are held together mostly by removable piano hinge pins so that either can be removed independently. NOTHING is connected from the cowling to the engine, and shouldn't be. The top is held to the firewall by 3 screws/tinnerman nuts from tabs mounted to the firewall, the bottom is held to the firewall by pins with removable clips (two on each side), and probably a half-dozen screws with tinnerman nuts at the nose. I can have it off the airplane in 10 minutes or less. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416587#416587 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Cowling Help
Dave, since I do not have access to an actual J-3, pictures would be fantas tic!- I will be fabricating this cowling for easy removal...best that I c an.=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APiete npol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Cowl construction
Thanks Rick. I just wanted to be sure I was thinking correct about having t he entire cowling "mounted" only to the firewall. In my mind, doing so just would not be study enough; considering wind, vibration, etc., but as with most items on the Pietenpol...once properly constructed, the finished unit is very strong.--=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichae l Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero .com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Cowling Help
Thank you Oscar. You sent me some good intel. on cowling work in the past.. .thanks for that again too.- =0A-=0AA reacuring theme hers is the ease of access/removability...I'll be paying close attention to both as I progre ss.-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APiete npol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Cowling Help
OK, I just wanted to be sure that the cowling did in fact, mount only off t he firewall.- Thank you all again for the help.- =0A-=0ASomeone menti oned using cardboard for templates. I-make poster board templates for jus t about everything prior to fabrication. I keep all of them in case later d own the road a part needs to be re-made. I believe I have enough poster boa rd to make my engine cowl wrong a couple times and correct once.-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...switch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Vide os=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Cowling Help
Date: Jan 05, 2014
I found matte board (like for matting picture frames) works better than posterboard. It's much stiffer (almost as stiff as aluminum) and comes in larger sizes so you don't have to keep taping pieces of posterboard together. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 10:27 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Cowling Help OK, I just wanted to be sure that the cowling did in fact, mount only off the firewall. Thank you all again for the help. Someone mentioned using cardboard for templates. I make poster board templates for just about everything prior to fabrication. I keep all of them in case later down the road a part needs to be re-made. I believe I have enough poster board to make my engine cowl wrong a couple times and correct once. If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero http://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Cowling Help
From: Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jan 05, 2014
Mike, The problem I found with poster board for the cowling templates is that the s heets are too small. Having to splice sheets together was too much trouble. A s I said, I wound up using the free sheets I got from TSC. I think the sheet s are about 40" square and fine as far as thickness and durability go. The f ree aspect is also great. I found I was more inclined to experiment with the patterns as mistakes cost me nothing except a little time Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > OK, I just wanted to be sure that the cowling did in fact, mount only off t he firewall. Thank you all again for the help. > > Someone mentioned using cardboard for templates. I make poster board templ ates for just about everything prior to fabrication. I keep all of them in c ase later down the road a part needs to be re-made. I believe I have enough p oster board to make my engine cowl wrong a couple times and correct once. > > If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > http://www.karetakeraero.com/ > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cowl construction
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 05, 2014
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From: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Cowling Help
Date: Jan 05, 2014
Felix the GN1 has a J3 cowl. It has 3 studs attached to the firewall on each side, than a piece of leather and lock pins stuck through a hole in the stud. There is one on each side similar type stud/lock pins holding top to bottom half of cowl. There are 2 studs on eater side of the prop hub. They are bolted with a kind of bow tie shaped piece to the engine block. I always thought it was stock J3, since it has a stock J3 cowl and engine mount. Bingelis does say #1 page 100 "As a rule the cowling is not attached to the engine" Maybe it works on this plane because there are only 6 attach points cowl to firewall and 2 attach points to the engine block. Anyway it has worked for almost 500 hours no problem. It is also very easy to remove the cowl. Skip > [Original Message] > From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> > To: > Date: 1/5/2014 6:29:23 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Cowling Help > > > The cowling on my airplane is put together essentially like those on a Cub and like on many other Piets. The top and bottom halves are held together mostly by removable piano hinge pins so that either can be removed independently. NOTHING is connected from the cowling to the engine, and shouldn't be. The top is held to the firewall by 3 screws/tinnerman nuts from tabs mounted to the firewall, the bottom is held to the firewall by pins with removable clips (two on each side), and probably a half-dozen screws with tinnerman nuts at the nose. I can have it off the airplane in 10 minutes or less. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416587#416587 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2014
Subject: Re: Cowl construction
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Rick, Great suggestion about the paperboard used on pallets. Free is my favorite price. I think I'll wander by a few local stores this week and see if they will let me help with their recycling needs. Meanwhile, I'm going to start working on the nosebowl using some of those blue foam boards as described by Mr. Bingelis. My plan is to make a pressure cowl along the lines of the Bell Piet. Cheers, Ken On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Michael Groah wrote: > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: cowling
Date: Jan 05, 2014
Hey guys, You are right Mike, since the engine is moving, NO part of the cowling should touch it. As it's cantilevered from the firewall, it is quite stiff and doesn't need any support up front. There are many ways to attach it to the fuse and work, but my $.02 about what is most important is this. Be sure your mounting points are secure and solid, and secondly, use a system that enables you to whip that cowling off easily or you'll curse yourself later, I promise. You don't want anything making it difficult to open the engine up, or to give you an excuse to not ck something, and removing dozens of screws might do that IMHO. A cowling that is split horizontally makes removal much easier and things can often be seen or reached by just removing the top half. Mike Cuys' is a super system or something like it. Once I got the cowling sides attached, I riveted a section of aluminum angle across the inside of the bottom of the cowling so that it would "index" with the bottom of the firewall. This did two things, firstly it helps give you something to gauge where things are when you're putting the bit bottom half of the cowling on, AND since the thing is cantilevered from the sides, it is "resting" against the bottom of the cowling and taking some potential strain off the other fasteners. Also, think of things that need to come off to remove the cowling, like breather tube etc. Can you get to your gascolator easily? Can you change the oil with the cowling in place? Also keep in mind that you'll be using your cowling latches, pins or whatever lots of times each year, will it scratch the surrounding paint? Is there something you can do to stop that?? Good luck! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 06, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Cowling Help
I see your point Jack. A full sheet of poster board is quite flimsy and it does not hold it's shape well. Using something as you mentioned would make life a bit easier. I'll use what I have until I run out, (run out of the po ster board or run out of patience) and then try some other materials.=0A- =0AThanks you too Douwe, some good points to keep in mind while trying to f igure this whole thing out.=0A-=0AAnother question for the list:- how m uch space should I leave between the various engine pieces and the cowling. I was thinking of about 5/16"+. I am not sure how much an A-65 will "roll" around under the cowling.-=0A-=0A-=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot...sw itch seats.=0AMichael Perez=0APietenpol HINT Videos=0AKaretaker Aero=0Ahttp ://www.karetakeraero.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 07, 2014
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Cowling Help
On 01/05/2014 01:00 PM, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote: > > Felix the GN1 has a J3 cowl. It has 3 studs attached to the firewall on > each side, than a piece of leather and lock pins stuck through a hole in > the stud. There is one on each side similar type stud/lock pins holding top > to bottom half of cowl. There are 2 studs on eater side of the prop hub. > They are bolted with a kind of bow tie shaped piece to the engine block. N8031 has a similar solution. It's hard to see in this image, but look closely at the triangular piece of sheet metal with a stud welded to it, right behind the prop: https://plus.google.com/photos/100843558075002483077/albums/5596558873691375105/5596568964201530370?banner=pwa&pid=5596568964201530370&oid=100843558075002483077 The triangle is bent offsetting it toward the center line and bolted to the front 2 cylinder studs. > I always thought it was stock J3, since it has a stock J3 cowl and engine > mount. > Bingelis does say #1 page 100 "As a rule the cowling is not attached to the > engine" > Maybe it works on this plane because there are only 6 attach points cowl to > firewall and 2 attach points to the engine block. > Anyway it has worked for almost 500 hours no problem. It is also very easy > to remove the cowl. One of the studs or the triangle pieces work-hardened and broke back in '09 but it's flown 150+ hours since then with no problems (unless it's broke since I sold it in '12). The holes in the cowl that slip over the studs are strengthened with a brass grommet, iirc. Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Cowling Help
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 07, 2014
Can you try posting the image again Dan? Scott Knowlton Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2014, at 10:23 AM, "Dan Yocum" wrote: > > > > >> On 01/05/2014 01:00 PM, skipgadd(at)earthlink.net wrote: >> >> Felix the GN1 has a J3 cowl. It has 3 studs attached to the firewall on >> each side, than a piece of leather and lock pins stuck through a hole in >> the stud. There is one on each side similar type stud/lock pins holding top >> to bottom half of cowl. There are 2 studs on eater side of the prop hub. >> They are bolted with a kind of bow tie shaped piece to the engine block. > > N8031 has a similar solution. It's hard to see in this image, but look > closely at the triangular piece of sheet metal with a stud welded to it, > right behind the prop: > > https://plus.google.com/photos/100843558075002483077/albums/5596558873691375105/5596568964201530370?banner=pwa&pid=5596568964201530370&oid=100843558075002483077 > > The triangle is bent offsetting it toward the center line and bolted to > the front 2 cylinder studs. > > >> I always thought it was stock J3, since it has a stock J3 cowl and engine >> mount. >> Bingelis does say #1 page 100 "As a rule the cowling is not attached to the >> engine" >> Maybe it works on this plane because there are only 6 attach points cowl to >> firewall and 2 attach points to the engine block. >> Anyway it has worked for almost 500 hours no problem. It is also very easy >> to remove the cowl. > > One of the studs or the triangle pieces work-hardened and broke back in > '09 but it's flown 150+ hours since then with no problems (unless it's > broke since I sold it in '12). > > The holes in the cowl that slip over the studs are strengthened with a > brass grommet, iirc. > > Dan > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair College 28, 28 Feb - 2 Mar 2014, San Marcos,
TX
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 07, 2014
51 days out. More info at this link including info on lodging and registration: https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Corvair-College-28-28-Feb-2-Mar-14/320305497999282 Just copy and paste the link into your browser. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416674#416674 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cowl construction
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 07, 2014
Rick I like your ideas for the cowl. mine is sure not as clean- I will probably steal your idea for the spark plug access holes. I sure have to do something better and had been thinking of finding some rubber plugs and doing round holes but those covers look a lot more classic. are you flying that bird yet? wondering what size and pitch prop you have. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416681#416681 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2014
From: "Robert S. Edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: update NX53WE
We did some work on our piet in my sons business and moved it to the hangar in November and there was a fire in December which totally destroyed his pattern shop. A 70 x 100 foot building with 8 large cnc machines and all that goes with them. A life changing event. Over a two million dollar fire. The piet is safely in a hangar and we hope to get to Brodhead with it this year. We made it to Brodhead the last 3 years (driving) but hope to fly this time, Bob Edson -- Robert S. Edson ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2014
Subject: Re: update NX53WE
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Bob, so sorry to hear about the fire at your son's building. I hope no one was hurt or worse. That's a beautiful ship. I'm glad it was tucked away in a the hangar at the time of the fire. My best, Ken On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Robert S. Edson wrote: > We did some work on our piet in my sons business and moved it to the > hangar in November and there was a fire in December which totally destroyed > his pattern shop. A 70 x 100 foot building with 8 large cnc machines and > all that goes with them. A life changing event. Over a two million dollar > fire. The piet is safely in a hangar and we hope to get to Brodhead with it > this year. We made it to Brodhead the last 3 years (driving) but hope to > fly this time, Bob Edson > > -- > > Robert S. Edson > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: update NX53WE
Date: Jan 08, 2014
I had to re-read it, because at first I was sure you said the Piet burned up in the building. Sorry to hear about the fire, but I hope the insurance will cover it. Beautiful Pietenpol, by the way. Good luck on making Brodhead with it this year (only 198 days away!) Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Edson Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 6:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: update NX53WE We did some work on our piet in my sons business and moved it to the hangar in November and there was a fire in December which totally destroyed his pattern shop. A 70 x 100 foot building with 8 large cnc machines and all that goes with them. A life changing event. Over a two million dollar fire. The piet is safely in a hangar and we hope to get to Brodhead with it this year. We made it to Brodhead the last 3 years (driving) but hope to fly this time, Bob Edson -- Robert S. Edson ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: update NX53WE
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 09, 2014
Hi Bob, Beautiful machine. I really like the way you transitioned the cowling into the fuse. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Robert S. Edson <robertse(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:57 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: update NX53WE We did some work on our piet in my sons business and moved it to the hangar in November and there was a fire in December which totally destroyed his pattern shop. A 70 x 100 foot building with 8 large cnc machines and all that goes with them. A life changing event. Over a two million dollar fire. The piet is safely in a hangar and we hope to get to Brodhead with it this year. We made it to Brodhead the last 3 years (driving) but hope to fly this time, Bob Edson -- Robert S. Edson ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scouting for a new home
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 10, 2014
Mike, I have an 8x10 of that pic somewhere around the house or hanger. When we moved, it never got hung back up. Next time I run across it I will take a cell phone pic of it and post it here. Funny thing about the approaches you are talking about. The B1, B2, Shuttle and a lot of other aircraft are built or maintained at Palmdale airport near where I live. We make low approaches there all the time and have for as long as I can remember. Just don't touch down there or you will get carpel tunnel from all the paper work and then you will need to remove your plane off the property immediately, without flying it, if you get my point. Many times you see those planes outside and nothing is ever said. It has a very long runway and it takes a very long time to slow fly the length of it in the Piet. You get a lot of time to look at things. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416754#416754 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Tail End
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 10, 2014
I was building my first fuselage side today and dont understand how to complete the tail or tail post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the end like the plan picture or is this left open and joined with the other side later? The plans call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it? Thanks, -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416755#416755 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0023_173.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0022_180.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0021_122.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail End
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 10, 2014
I just rebuilt my tail post. There is indeed one piece that comprises the tail post. My new one is a bit bigger than 1x1 and is beveled for more contact with the scarf plates. So, were I building a fuse from scratch, I'd leave the end open like you mention and when you join the sides, you can bevel the longerons appropriately and add the tail post. If you use a piece a little larger than necessary, you can carve it after joining (rather plane it...) to get it dead nuts vertical (important for hinge alignment with the rudder) and beveled correctly. Then add the scarfs. You could put the diagonals in now or later. I also added a little wedge at the bottom between the longerons just adhead of the tail post. A 3/8 bolt goes through that holds the tail wheel and is where my shoulder straps are anchored. It also eliminates a little pocket where moisture can sit and accumulate when it's on the ground. While you're there... that upper scarf plate one forward of the tail post scarf plate. If you lengthen it about 2", it will reinforce the longeron where you'll likely drill a hole through it for the horiz stab. The plans call for anchoring the stab with wood screws, but most through bolt it, significantly weakening the longeron more than a screw would. That's where my longerons broke during a ground loop. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416756#416756 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scouting for a new home
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 10, 2014
That would be awesome, thanks! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416757#416757 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 10, 2014
From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tail End
On 1/10/2014 3:17 PM, John Francis wrote: > > I was building my first fuselage side today and dont understand how to complete the tail or tail post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the end like the plan picture or is this left open and joined with the other side later? The plans call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it? > > Thanks, > > -------- > John Francis > > John, Its been ten years since I did this, but I think this is how I did mine. The tail post is glued in place on both the left and right fuselage sides. After gluing each fuselage in the jig, allow the glue to cure thoroughly, then remove each fuselage side from the assembly jig. Depending on how you set up your jig, one side will already have the outside gussets in place, now glue on the outside gussets on the other fuselage side. Turn the fuselage sides upside down on your assembly table and glue the cross members in place. The fuselage sides are brought together at the tailpost area, but the two tailposts, as well as the top and bottom longerons, must be trimmed so that when the left and right fuselage sides meet at the tailpost, the tailpost width is 1". I drew layout lines on the top and bottom longerons as well as the two tailposts. I then trimmed each side with a saw, then trued up the cuts with a file and sandpaper before gluing. Attached are a couple of photos. Good Luck Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail End
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 10, 2014
John, It's up to you. You can do as Rick did, or you can just leave out the tailpost until you're ready to join up the fuselage sides. Considerably easier to only have to bevel the top and bottom longerons than it is to bevel the longerons AND the tailpost. I left the tailpost loose until I joined the sides together. You could make the tailpost a bit wider, as suggested by Tools, and plane off the extra material before gluing on the rear gusset plates, but the taper is quite slight, and within T-88's gap-filling abilities if you want to use the standard 1" x 1" tailpost. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416760#416760 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Tail End
Date: Jan 10, 2014
I did mine as Rick described. Worked fine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Schreiber Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail End On 1/10/2014 3:17 PM, John Francis wrote: > > I was building my first fuselage side today and don=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t understand how to complete the tail or tail post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the end like the plan picture or is this left open and joined with the other side later? The plans call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it? > > Thanks, > > -------- > John Francis > > > John, Its been ten years since I did this, but I think this is how I did mine. The tail post is glued in place on both the left and right fuselage sides. After gluing each fuselage in the jig, allow the glue to cure thoroughly, then remove each fuselage side from the assembly jig. Depending on how you set up your jig, one side will already have the outside gussets in place, now glue on the outside gussets on the other fuselage side. Turn the fuselage sides upside down on your assembly table and glue the cross members in place. The fuselage sides are brought together at the tailpost area, but the two tailposts, as well as the top and bottom longerons, must be trimmed so that when the left and right fuselage sides meet at the tailpost, the tailpost width is 1". I drew layout lines on the top and bottom longerons as well as the two tailposts. I then trimmed each side with a saw, then trued up the cuts with a file and sandpaper before gluing. Attached are a couple of photos. Good Luck Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Tail End
Date: Jan 10, 2014
John, I think it is easiest to frame up the tailpost with 1" pieces, add the outside gussets. You can then scribe a 1/2" line on each side and take a disc grinder with coarse paper to it. The tail post will sand down quickly, and you can feel your way into the proper angle. It will be very easy to clamp the two sides together, that way, and all should take less than 10 minutes!! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail End --> I was building my first fuselage side today and don=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t understand how to complete the tail or tail post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the end like the plan picture or is this left open and joined with the other side later? The plans call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it? Thanks, -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416755#416755 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0023_173.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0022_180.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0021_122.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 10, 2014
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Bob Edson
Bob, You have a beautiful plane. Could you please post a photo from the front looking back? Interesting sheet metal. Thank-You Joe Swithin Morris, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 11, 2014
Subject: Re: Tail End
From: Peter Johnson <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
John, I did a similar method. I drew out the fuse join angle in Visio and used it as a template to sand down both fuse halves. When I joined the halves together, I put another gusset over the whole of the rear tail post. http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0218_JPG.jpg http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0224_JPG.jpg Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com On 11/01/2014 10:34 am, "Gary Boothe" wrote: >John, > >I think it is easiest to frame up the tailpost with 1" pieces, add the >outside gussets. You can then scribe a 1/2" line on each side and take a >disc grinder with coarse paper to it. The tail post will sand down >quickly, and you can feel your way into the proper angle. It will be very >easy to clamp the two sides together, that way, and all should take less >than 10 minutes!! > >Gary Boothe >NX308MB > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John >Francis >Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:17 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail End > >--> > >I was building my first fuselage side today and dont understand how to >complete the tail or tail post end. Is a piece of lumber glued into the >end like the plan picture or is this left open and joined with the other >side later? The plans call for a 1x1 tail post piece. Is this it? > >Thanks, > >-------- >John Francis > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416755#416755 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0023_173.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0022_180.jpg >http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0021_122.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail End
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 10, 2014
Great advice, great pictures. Thanks all, I think I got it! John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416768#416768 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 10, 2014
From: "Robert S. Edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: pics
Joe Front view pics. Bob -- Robert S. Edson ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: pics
Date: Jan 11, 2014
From: <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com>
Great pics Robert!! Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Edson Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: pics Joe Front view pics. Bob -- Robert S. Edson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Donald Pietenpol
Date: Jan 11, 2014
This came from Linda Pietenpol Kelly: > I regret to inform you that Donald Pietenpol, Bernard Pietenpol's remaining son, passed away Wed. Jan. 8, after a long battle with cancer. He passed away on his 84th birthday. I felt that there are many members that would want to know this. I thought the list would like to know. FYI, I have the January newsletter to bed and those of you who are subscribed should have your copy in the near future. Best, -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, IT and Production The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Donald Pietenpol
Date: Jan 11, 2014
Thanks for letting us know, John. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mpuntain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 9:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Donald Pietenpol This came from Linda Pietenpol Kelly: > I regret to inform you that Donald Pietenpol, Bernard Pietenpol's remaining son, passed away Wed. Jan. 8, after a long battle with cancer. He passed away on his 84th birthday. I felt that there are many members that would want to know this. I thought the list would like to know. FYI, I have the January newsletter to bed and those of you who are subscribed should have your copy in the near future. Best, -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, IT and Production The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com>
Subject: Re: Donald Pietenpol
Date: Jan 12, 2014
Hi John, Thank you very much for sharing the news. I will pass it along to the other Piet enthusiast here. Thoughts and prayers to Dons family. Mark S Japan -----Original Message----- From: John Hofmann Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 11:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Donald Pietenpol This came from Linda Pietenpol Kelly: > I regret to inform you that Donald Pietenpol, Bernard Pietenpol's > remaining son, passed away Wed. Jan. 8, after a long battle with cancer. > He passed away on his 84th birthday. I felt that there are many members > that would want to know this. I thought the list would like to know. FYI, I have the January newsletter to bed and those of you who are subscribed should have your copy in the near future. Best, -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, IT and Production The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Donald Pietenpol
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 12, 2014
That's sad news. I spoke to Don on the phone ten years ago on my fortieth birthday when I was ordering my plans. He gave great encouragement and guidance on keeping things simple and "too the plans". I got the sense that he had several of the same conversation with other builders at times and I wonder if he often assumed he was talking to someone who would never start - let alone finish, such a time consuming project. Ten years later I still am plugging away at my Piet and enjoying every process. I'm often encouraged by Don's advice to, "just keep making parts...one day you'll have an airplane". Scott Knowlton Burlington Ontario Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "John Hofmann" wrote: > > > This came from Linda Pietenpol Kelly: > >> I regret to inform you that Donald Pietenpol, Bernard Pietenpol's remaining son, passed away Wed. Jan. 8, after a long battle with cancer. He passed away on his 84th birthday. I felt that there are many members that would want to know this. > > I thought the list would like to know. > > FYI, I have the January newsletter to bed and those of you who are subscribed should have your copy in the near future. > > Best, > -john- > > John Hofmann > Vice-President, IT and Production > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2424 American Lane > Madison, WI 53704 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Donald Pietenpol
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 12, 2014
Thanks John. Sorry to hear that. What a classy guy he was. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416837#416837 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 12, 2014
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Donald Pietenpol
John thanks for the note about Don Pietenpol. Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 12, 2014
From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/11/14
Somehow I' am unable to get your pictures Bob. Could someone please direct me on how to retrieve?=0A=0AJoe Swithin=0AMorris, IL=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Su nday, January 12, 2014 2:23 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server wrote:=0A =0A*=0A=0A============ ==============0A- Online Versions of Today's L ist Digest Archive=0A================== ========0A=0AToday's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the =0Atwo Web Links listed below.- The .html file includes the Digest formatted =0Ain HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes =0Aand Message Navigation.- The .txt file i ncludes the plain ASCII version =0Aof the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor =0Asuch as Notepad or with a web browser. =0A=0AHTML Version:=0A=0A- - http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestvie w.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 14-01-11&Archive=Pietenpol=0A =0AText Version:=0A=0A- - http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.ph p?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 14-01-11&Archive=Pietenpol=0A=0A =0A======================== =========================0A - EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive=0A======= =================0A=0A=0A- - - - - ----------------------------------------------------------=0A- - - - - - - - - - - - - Pietenpol-List Digest Archive =0A- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---=0A- - - - - - - - - - Total Messages Posted Sa t 01/11/14: 3=0A- - - - - -------------------------------------- --------------------=0A=0A=0AToday's Message Index:=0A--------------------- -=0A=0A- - 1. 11:52 AM - Re: pics- ()=0A- - 2. 06:12 PM - Donal d Pietenpol- (John Hofmann)=0A- - 3. 06:55 PM - Re: Donald Pietenpol - (Jack Phillips)=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message =0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: pics=0AFrom: <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> =0A=0A=0A=0AGreat pics Robert!!=0A=0ABrian=0ASLC-UT=0A=0A=0A-----Original M essage-----=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:own er-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert=0AS. Edson=0ASe nt: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:08 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: pics=0A=0AJ oe=0A- - - - Front view pics.- - Bob=0A=0A-- =0A=0ARobert S. E dson=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 2- _____________ ann =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Donald Pietenpol =0A=0A=0AThis came from Linda Pietenpol Kelly:=0A=0A> I regret to inform yo u that Donald Pietenpol, Bernard Pietenpol's remaining son,=0Apassed away W ed. Jan. 8, after a long battle with cancer.- He passed away=0Aon his 84t h birthday.- I felt that there are many members that would want to know =0Athis.=0A=0AI thought the list would like to know.=0A=0AFYI, I have the J anuary newsletter to bed and those of you who are subscribed should=0Ahave your copy in the near future.=0A=0ABest,=0A-john-=0A=0AJohn Hofmann=0AVice- President, IT and Production=0AThe Rees Group, Inc.=0A2424 American Lane=0A Madison, WI 53704=0APhone: 608.443.2468 ext 150=0AFax: 608.443.2474=0AEmail : jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Mes sage 3- _____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 06:55:37 PM P ST US=0AFrom: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>=0ASubject: RE: Pie tenpol-List: Donald Pietenpol=0A=0A=0AThanks for letting us know, John.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mpuntain Lake, Virginia=0A=0A-----Origin al Message-----=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto :owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann=0ASen t: Saturday, January 11, 2014 9:11 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Donald Pie tenpol=0A=0A=0A=0AThis came from Linda Pietenpol Kelly:=0A=0A> I regret to inform you that Donald Pietenpol, Bernard Pieten pol's=0Aremaining son, passed away Wed. Jan. 8, after a long battle with ca ncer.- He=0Apassed away on his 84th birthday.- I felt that there are ma ny members that=0Awould want to know this.=0A=0AI thought the list would li ke to know.=0A=0AFYI, I have the January newsletter to bed and those of you who are=0Asubscribed should have your copy in the near future.=0A=0ABest, =0A-john-=0A=0AJohn Hofmann=0AVice-President, IT and Production=0AThe Rees Group, Inc.=0A2424 American Lane=0AMadison, WI 53704=0APhone: 608.443.2468 ext 150=0AFax: 608.443.2474=0AEmail: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com=0A=0A=0A=0A ================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 12, 2014
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/11/14
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Joe, You should be able to view them at the forum page for his post: http://forum.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=102190 On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:56 PM, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: > Somehow I' am unable to get your pictures Bob. Could someone please direct > me on how to retrieve? > > Joe Swithin > Morris, IL > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/11/14
Date: Jan 12, 2014
Joe here you go. Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOSEPH SWITHIN Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/11/14 Somehow I' am unable to get your pictures Bob. Could someone please direct me on how to retrieve? Joe Swithin Morris, IL On Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:23 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server wrote: * ======================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701 <http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapte r 14-01-11&Archive=Pietenpol> &View=html&Chapter 14-01-11&Archive=Pietenpol Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701 <http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 14-01-11&Archive=Pietenpol> &View=txt&Chapter 14-01-11&Archive=Pietenpol ====================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ====================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/11/14: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:52 AM - Re: pics () 2. 06:12 PM - Donald Pietenpol (John Hofmann) 3. 06:55 PM - Re: Donald Pietenpol (Jack Phillips) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: pics From: <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> Great pics Robert!! Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Edson Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: pics Joe Front view pics. Bob -- Robert S. Edson ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Donald Pietenpol This came from Linda Pietenpol Kelly: > I regret to inform you that Donald Pietenpol, Bernard Pietenpol's remaining son, passed away Wed. Jan. 8, after a long battle with cancer. He passed away on his 84th birthday. I felt that there are many members that would want to know this. I thought the list would like to know. FYI, I have the January newsletter to bed and those of you who are subscribed should have your copy in the near future. Best, -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, IT and Production The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Donald Pietenpol Thanks for letting us know, John. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mpuntain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 9:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Donald Pietenpol This came from Linda Pietenpol Kelly: > I regret to inform you that Donald Pietenpol, Bernard Pietenpol's remaining son, passed away Wed. Jan. 8, after a long battle with cancer. He passed away on his 84th birthday. I felt that there are many members that would want to know this. I thought the list would like to know. FYI, I have the January newsletter to bed and those of you who are subscribed should have your copy in the near future. Best, -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, IT and Production The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgro======================= http://forums.matronics.com ; -Matt Dralcontribution" ====== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Interview with Axel Olssen
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 12, 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ7RPfsIs&app=desktop Actor Bo Svenson tells the story of trying to provide the Director with some real Wing Walking footage for the film "The Great Waldo pepper", on his day off, as the plane goes into a dive, he realizes he has made a big mistake... -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416849#416849 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: BPANews new editor
From: "Larry Williams" <lnawms(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 13, 2014
Can't wait to see the new BPANews to find out what the new newsletter editor's stance will be regarding what is or isn't a Pietenpol Air Camper. Larry W. N899LW (God has been my copilot for 37 years and 13,000+ hours and I'm not about to change seats at this point.) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416856#416856 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: BPANews new editor
Date: Jan 13, 2014
Can't wait to see the new BPANews to find out what the new newsletter editor's stance will be regarding what is or isn't a Pietenpol Air Camper. Larry W. N899LW (God has been my copilot for 37 years and 13,000+ hours and I'm not about to change seats at this point.) They are all snowflakes Larry---anything with a high wing that is a taildragger and is wood and home built is a Pietenpol. Pietenpol, GN-1, Super Pietenpol, Grega, clipped wing Pietenpol, Pietenpol with retracts and flaps---they're all Pietenpols:) ! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: BPANews new editor
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 13, 2014
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov wrote: > > > They are all snowflakes Larry--- I suppose that's been written here before but I haven't seen it. That's about the best way to describe it ever! You did forget the Ariel... And metal fuse's... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416867#416867 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: St. Croix Plans?
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 13, 2014
I ordered the plywood kit from A/C Spruce in May of 2012 and received 3/32 plywood instead of the 1/8th needed for the fuselage side and gussets. I am discussing this with them now and they say this. Ive never heard of St. Croix plans. Can anyone share what these are with me? All but one of the kits are now NLA |because they were for a St Croix |version of Pietenpol. All the current |kits listed on the web are now |original Pietenpol material kits. |Andrew Pietenpol did not want us to |have a plywood only kit, so he added |plywood to the other kits as needed |per section of aircraft. I think we |should verify with the customer what |plans he has. Up until this last week |we had the contact info for St Croix, |which from my searching is out of |business, and now we have all new |material kits for the Original |Pietenpol. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416871#416871 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: St. Croix Plans?
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 13, 2014
John, I believe they were the plans drawn up by the Wille's. They had a parasol version and a biplane version, called the Ariel. In my opinion it's great to see that the original Pietenpol family's drawings are the most proven and have stood the test of time. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416872#416872 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: BPANews new editor
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 13, 2014
Larry, Maybe we could be the Snowflake Police at Brodhead this year? :-) Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416873#416873 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 13, 2014
From: Yahoo! Account Service <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: BPANews new editor
I can't wait to see the new newsletter and would personally like to thank John for taking on the job, a real service to the Piet community. Skip -----Original Message----- >From: Larry Williams <lnawms(at)yahoo.com> >Sent: Jan 13, 2014 1:27 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPANews new editor > > >Can't wait to see the new BPANews to find out what the new newsletter editor's stance will be regarding what is or isn't a Pietenpol Air Camper. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: St. Croix Plans?
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 13, 2014
Thanks Don, I googled it and found some additional information on it. Now I at least know what they are talking about. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416875#416875 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: BPANews new editor
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 13, 2014
Couldn't agree more Skip. John is a fantastic guy! It's really is great to have someone in our group step up like he did. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416876#416876 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: St. Croix Plans?
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Jan 14, 2014
I bought the complete Pietenpol plans, But in the book that comes with it is a copy of the plans that were shown in the Flyer and Glider manual. While siting in the comfort of my recliner , and looking at that book, I placed an order for some plywood. It seems that those plans show 3/32 for the sides,and 7/32 for the bottom. That is 1/32 less thickness than the later improved version. I did buy 1 sheet of 1/8 for the rest of the gussets, and have since ordered more 1/8 needed for seat backs and other cockpit parts . Now I intend to use the 3/32 for the sides and have already used the 7/32 for the bottom. I think it will be plenty good enough, My 2 cents worth. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416885#416885 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: St. Croix Plans?
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jan 14, 2014
I would guess the Bernard Pietenpol did not use A/C grade plywood in his aircraft especially back in the day. With that thought, would 3/32 aircraft grade plywood be an acceptable substitute for 1/8 inch? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416887#416887 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2014
Subject: Access panels
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
What is the best way to attach aluminum sheets as cover panels for the wing fuel tank and a large belly access hole? In other words how do attach it to the wood frame? especially where there is currently fabric. I would like to be able to open it for the condition inspection and such but not for each flight. So a piano hinge is not required. I do like Dzuz type fasteners rather than screws. Yes I have looked all through Uncle Tony's books and I have surfed the net. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Access panels
Date: Jan 14, 2014
I attached my belly panel with sheet metal screws into walnut blocks glued to the stringers: Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Access panels What is the best way to attach aluminum sheets as cover panels for the wing fuel tank and a large belly access hole? In other words how do attach it to the wood frame? especially where there is currently fabric. I would like to be able to open it for the condition inspection and such but not for each flight. So a piano hinge is not required. I do like Dzuz type fasteners rather than screws. Yes I have looked all through Uncle Tony's books and I have surfed the net. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Date: Jan 14, 2014
Hello=2C low 'n' slow fliers- I started doing a little bit of planning for Frazier Lake in June and I hav e a question for the "locals". I'll be generally following Interstate 5 do wn from Oregon but avoiding any of the bad airspace. Coming down past Stoc kton and Tracy=2C I will need to cut west to get to 1C9 and it looks like I should cut over at Los Banos=2C roughly following Hwy. 152 around San Luis Reservoir. The terrain looks pretty rugged all along there=2C so I though t I'd inquire to see if there is a better way to get from the central valle y over to Frazier Lake when coming south? It looks like I have about 20 more weekends to get myself and the airplane prepared for the trip. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Date: Jan 14, 2014
Oscar, You could follow I680 by Livermore, and hug the south hills flying West, turn South and hug the east hills of San Jose.but I chose to go South to Los Banos (where my trip ended!). Mike Groah had no issues following 152. If you can make the summit at Weed, it'll all be downhill. Los Banos is a good fuel stop for me.maybe we could meet there? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 Hello, low 'n' slow fliers- I started doing a little bit of planning for Frazier Lake in June and I have a question for the "locals". I'll be generally following Interstate 5 down from Oregon but avoiding any of the bad airspace. Coming down past Stockton and Tracy, I will need to cut west to get to 1C9 and it looks like I should cut over at Los Banos, roughly following Hwy. 152 around San Luis Reservoir. The terrain looks pretty rugged all along there, so I thought I'd inquire to see if there is a better way to get from the central valley over to Frazier Lake when coming south? It looks like I have about 20 more weekends to get myself and the airplane prepared for the trip. Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: St. Croix Plans?
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 14, 2014
John; I think it's impossible to make a blanket statement about substituting 3/32" ply for 1/8" since there are so many different places where it might be used on the airplane. Obviously, where it's used for its thickness, you couldn't substitute or you'd end up with a gap. In other locations, you'll just have to judge the suitability yourself. Most builders tend to go just a bit heavier rather than lighter, but there are places on the Air Camper that are plenty stout and could stand some minor downsizing. I don't think you'll hear anybody advising you to go ahead and change all 1/8" plywood to 3/32"... it's just too broad a statement. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416921#416921 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 14, 2014
Gary; I'm just beginning to plan my trip down, so I don't know where my fuel stops might be. I know for sure that I want to stop in Montague or Weed to catch my breath and look over the airplane after I cross the Siskiyou Summit, but after that it's all going to depend on the wind and weather. The chart planners tell me that it's something like 440 SM or roughly 7 flight hours from my home field. However, that's very misleading when flying a Piet, and it translates to at least 3 fuel stops and a very full day of travel if winds don't kick up too badly for me to proceed after lunch. I would be thrilled to make it all the way to 1C9 in one day, but I'm not holding my breath on that possibility. The interesting thing is that in June in this area, there are almost 15 hours of daylight between dawn and dusk! That being the case, it should be entirely possible for me to make it all in one day. So sure, I'll fly on your wing from Los Banos or anyplace else we might connect. Proud and happy to fly with such a nice airplane as yours, but after having been soundly out-run by "Axel" Purtee in his Corvair Piet, I have absolutely no hope of keeping up with you. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416922#416922 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 14, 2014
Oscar, I come up from the south (I live near Pat Panzera) and as Gary said I chose t o cross as you described. It seems like the shortest and most safe way acro ss for me. Scott Liefeld and I also came across there on our way back last y ear. It doesn't take too long to get across but I do feel some relief once I 'm past the hills and into the valley on the other side. I'm looking forward to meeting you. Mike Groah 414MV Tulare CA > On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:09 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Oscar, > > You could follow I680 by Livermore, and hug the south hills flying West, t urn South and hug the east hills of San Josebut I chose to go South to Los Banos (where my trip ended!). Mike Groah had no issues following 152 . If you can make the summit at Weed, it=99ll all be downhill > > Los Banos is a good fuel stop for memaybe we could meet there? > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:40 PM > To: Pietenpol List > Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014 > > Hello, low 'n' slow fliers- > > I started doing a little bit of planning for Frazier Lake in June and I ha ve a question for the "locals". I'll be generally following Interstate 5 do wn from Oregon but avoiding any of the bad airspace. Coming down past Stock ton and Tracy, I will need to cut west to get to 1C9 and it looks like I sho uld cut over at Los Banos, roughly following Hwy. 152 around San Luis Reserv oir. The terrain looks pretty rugged all along there, so I thought I'd inqu ire to see if there is a better way to get from the central valley over to Fra zier Lake when coming south? > > It looks like I have about 20 more weekends to get myself and the airplane prepared for the trip. > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Access panels
Date: Jan 15, 2014
Steve-I hinged my aluminum belly access panel but like Jack said, no need t o. I reinforced that area around the opening that I framed in with strips of spruce (advice for new builders) so that it gave a place for the belly fabric to wrap around and be glued and 2) so tha t when I heat taughtened the fabric it didn't pull the opening out of a rectangular shape. Fabric s o SO strong when you get to the final taughtening temperature. Not uncommon to hear the wood structure creak and groan like most of us do when we get out of be in the mornings:) Mike C. [cid:image003.jpg(at)01CF11D2.7CD5E270] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 15, 2014
By the way, in case I didn't make it clear, I intend to leave Oregon either the Thursday or Friday before the fly-in (depending on wx forecast), so that I can be on the field ALL DAY Saturday. After that long a flight, I would hate to miss any of the event! I'll also plan on departing Sunday, for the same reason. Looking forward to seeing the field and the airplanes, and meeting all y'all. And of course, looking forward to the x-c adventure! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416941#416941 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Donald Pietenpol
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 15, 2014
Thanks for the notification - sad news... I too bought my plans from Don and had a real nice phone conversation with him at the time. As others have mentioned, I got the feeling he had lots of conversations with well-intentioned folks who may have never got very far on their project. Appreciate that Don (and now his son) make the information available to a next generation of builders. Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416953#416953 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Date: Jan 15, 2014
Oscar, happy you got my mailing all in one piece. You may put o08 in your flight plan, it is certainly on the way. If you need a place to over night, we have plenty of room at our home. It might be a long hope from Montague to Colusa for your Piet. Maybe Montague, Red Bluff then Colusa? Let me know when you decide. Thanks again, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:39 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > Gary; > > I'm just beginning to plan my trip down, so I don't know where my fuel stops might be. I know for sure that I want to stop in Montague or Weed to catch my breath and look over the airplane after I cross the Siskiyou Summit, but after that it's all going to depend on the wind and weather. The chart planners tell me that it's something like 440 SM or roughly 7 flight hours from my home field. However, that's very misleading when flying a Piet, and it translates to at least 3 fuel stops and a very full day of travel if winds don't kick up too badly for me to proceed after lunch. I would be thrilled to make it all the way to 1C9 in one day, but I'm not holding my breath on that possibility. The interesting thing is that in June in this area, there are almost 15 hours of daylight between dawn and dusk! That being the case, it should be entirely possible for me to make it all in one day. > > So sure, I'll fly on your wing from Los Banos or anyplace else we might connect. Proud and happy to fly with such a nice airplane as yours, but after having been soundly out-run by "Axel" Purtee in his Corvair Piet, I have absolutely no hope of keeping up with you. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416922#416922 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 15, 2014
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
te veo alla oscar=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga =0ATo: Pietenpol List =0ASent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:39 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-Li st: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014=0A=0A=0A=0AHello, low 'n' slow fliers-=0A -=0AI started doing a little bit of planning for Frazier Lake in June and I have a question for the "locals".- I'll be generally following Interst ate 5 down from Oregon but avoiding any of the bad airspace.- Coming down past Stockton and Tracy, I will need to cut west to get to 1C9 and it look s like I should cut over at Los Banos, roughly following Hwy. 152 around Sa n Luis Reservoir.- The terrain looks pretty rugged all along there, so I thought I'd inquire to see if there is a better way to get from the central valley over to Frazier Lake when coming south?=0A-=0AIt looks like I hav e about 20 more weekends to get myself and the airplane-prepared for the trip.=0A-=0AOscar Zuniga=0AMedford, OR=0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0AA75 ===================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 15, 2014
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
i like to see you all over dere in these time jorge from hanford=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: jorge lizarraga <flightwood@yah oo.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:57 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List : West Coast Piet fly-in 2014=0A=0A=0A=0Ate veo alla oscar=0A=0A=0A=0A_____ ___________________________=0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>=0A 14, 2014 9:39 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014=0A =0A=0A=0AHello, low 'n' slow fliers-=0A-=0AI started doing a little bit o f planning for Frazier Lake in June and I have a question for the "locals". - I'll be generally following Interstate 5 down from Oregon but avoiding any of the bad airspace.- Coming down past Stockton and Tracy, I will nee d to cut west to get to 1C9 and it looks like I should cut over at Los Bano s, roughly following Hwy. 152 around San Luis Reservoir.- The terrain loo ks pretty rugged all along there, so I thought I'd inquire to see if there is a better way to get from the central valley over to Frazier Lake when co ming south?=0A-=0AIt looks like I have about 20 more weekends to get myse lf and the airplane-prepared for the trip.=0A-=0AOscar Zuniga=0AMedford , OR=0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"=0AA75 power=0A-=0A=0A=0A" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listet=_ blank>http://forums.matronics.com/llow target=_blank>http://www.matron ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Access panels
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 15, 2014
My belly panel is held on with #6-32 machine screws and embedded T-nuts int o the spruce longerons and cross pieces. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 7:44 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Access panels What is the best way to attach aluminum sheets as cover panels for the wing fuel tank and a large belly access hole? In other words how do attach it t o the wood frame? especially where there is currently fabric. I would like to be able to open it for the condition inspection and such but not for eac h flight. So a piano hinge is not required. I do like Dzuz type fasteners r ather than screws. Yes I have looked all through Uncle Tony's books and I have surfed the net. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 15, 2014
Ray: I was using the AOPA online flight planner to do a what-if, and Colusa came up directly along my route of flight. It must be a sign ;o) As I get my plans firmed up, I'll check with a few folks along the way to see about possible overnight stops. I will have a handheld so I can get into a few towered fields along the way (and get out of my own home field, which has a tower)- and I may break down and fly my Garmin GPSMap 196 as well as bring along the flapping folded sectionals with yellow highlighter and pencil notes on them. I'm not smart enough to put them on a roll of toilet paper like Mike Cuy does, and advance the roll as the flight progresses. Once he arrives at the destination he gets to toss the roll out the cockpit and try to slice the paper with a wing before the roll hits the ground. Wish I were a stunt pilot like Mikee ;o) Jorge: nos veremos con el favor de Dios. A ver si no tienes miedo de subirte a mi Pietenpol y te doy la vuelta. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416993#416993 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: belly access panel
Date: Jan 16, 2014
Like others, I just screwed my aluminum belly access panel on. Per some suggestions from this group, wherever I screwed sheet metal into the structure, I impregnated the screw holes with crazy glue. One probably only removes the belly panel once a year? So that's only twenty times over twenty years. It's behind the CG, so whatever you do, keep it light and don't make it fancier or more complex than it really needs to be. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 16, 2014
Oscar, I am looking forward to meeting you. I have flown the route you have been asking about in my Piet. The mountains you cross between your place and Redding CA are the big ones. The ones around the Frazeur Lake area are just hills in comparison. Not a big deal especially with a Cont bolted to the front of your plane. Just sit back and enjoy the ride, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417001#417001 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: "Pilot78" <wings.wheels29(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 16, 2014
What are the dates this year for the West Cost Piet fly-in? Brian SLC-UT Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417009#417009 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 16, 2014
Saturday June 7th 2014 Frazier Lake 1C9 (I'll get this year's info sheet together and posted soon). Last year I believe a couple people come in on Friday afternoon/evening and quite a few of us camped out Saturday night and left Sunday morning. Mike Groah > On Jan 16, 2014, at 7:27 AM, "Pilot78" wrote: > > > What are the dates this year for the West Cost Piet fly-in? > > Brian > SLC-UT > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417009#417009 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 16, 2014
Ahhwest coast Pietenpol flyingLow and Slow at 12,000 feet. I love it! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417019#417019 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 16, 2014
Mike, Do you want to fly up on Friday with me? I can swing by your airport on the way up. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417022#417022 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jan 16, 2014
I would be interested in flying in on Friday. Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2014, at 9:14 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Mike, > > Do you want to fly up on Friday with me? I can swing by your airport on the way up. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417022#417022 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Prop Balancer
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Jan 16, 2014
This is a 3/8 inch copper pipe, 1/8 inch cable, and a penny. Quick copy of the balancer as describe in Contact Magazine. It is very accurate and also demonstrates the lateral balance of the prop. It will allow you to determine the exact location and amount of weight necessary to balance the prop. This one needs 55 grams. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417025#417025 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_bal_162.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 16, 2014
I have to work that day (it's the last day of our school year but at least I won't have to rush back on Sunday for work Monday morning like I usually have too). I think I'll just fly up Saturday morning. Thank you though! Sent from my iPad > On Jan 16, 2014, at 9:14 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Mike, > > Do you want to fly up on Friday with me? I can swing by your airport on the way up. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417022#417022 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Date: Jan 16, 2014
Just let me know, I can bed you and the Piet down for as long as you can stand it! I will go to the FLYIN maybe Friday, or Saturday very early. Could go in the Waiex or the Aeronca. Maybe the Aeronca could keep up with you. I might stay over night so I can get to know more of you guys. Thanks, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Jan 15, 2014, at 8:29 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > Ray: I was using the AOPA online flight planner to do a what-if, and Colusa came up directly along my route of flight. It must be a sign ;o) As I get my plans firmed up, I'll check with a few folks along the way to see about possible overnight stops. I will have a handheld so I can get into a few towered fields along the way (and get out of my own home field, which has a tower)- and I may break down and fly my Garmin GPSMap 196 as well as bring along the flapping folded sectionals with yellow highlighter and pencil notes on them. I'm not smart enough to put them on a roll of toilet paper like Mike Cuy does, and advance the roll as the flight progresses. Once he arrives at the destination he gets to toss the roll out the cockpit and try to slice the paper with a wing before the roll hits the ground. Wish I were a stunt pilot like Mikee ;o) > > Jorge: nos veremos con el favor de Dios. A ver si no tienes miedo de subirte a mi Pietenpol y te doy la vuelta. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416993#416993 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop Balancer
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 16, 2014
Cool. Could we get a few more pics of that balancer (disassembled) and also of your finished prop? I am sure others would be inspired. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: dwilson <marwilson(at)charter.net> Sent: Thu, Jan 16, 2014 12:23 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop Balancer This is a 3/8 inch copper pipe, 1/8 inch cable, and a penny. Quick copy of the balancer as describe in Contact Magazine. It is very accurate and also demonstrates the lateral balance of the prop. It will allow you to determi ne the exact location and amount of weight necessary to balance the prop. Thi s one needs 55 grams. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417025#417025 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/prop_bal_162.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kevin McDonald" <ktmaustin(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Pietenpol for Sale
Date: Jan 16, 2014
Our local airport Kittie Hill (77T) Austin TX has been sold and closed to make room for 500 houses. I need to sell my Pietenpol ;-) I put it on Barnstormers - I can't seem to get a direct URL for the sale but if you search you will find: PIETENPOL AIR CAMPER A-65 LSA $9,995 I think t is worth more than that but I have to get it out of 77T before the end of the month... Thanx, Kevin McDonald Austin TX p.s. I prefer email for initial contacts: ktm_for_sale(at)yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2014
Subject: Re: Pietenpol for Sale
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=858257 On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Kevin McDonald wr ote: > ktmaustin(at)sbcglobal.net> > > Our local airport Kittie Hill (77T) Austin TX has been sold and closed to > make room for 500 houses. > I need to sell my Pietenpol ;-) > I put it on Barnstormers - I can't seem to get a direct URL for the sale > but if you search you will find: > PIETENPOL AIR CAMPER A-65 LSA - $9,995 > I think t is worth more than that but I have to get it out of 77T before > the end of the month... > Thanx, > Kevin McDonald > Austin TX > > p.s. I prefer email for initial contacts: > ktm_for_sale(at)yahoo.com > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 16, 2014
Ok Mike, We'll say in touch. As you know, weather can really be a problem on my side of the hill that time of year. It alone could push me into a Sat. departure. I will also talk to the French Valley guys to see if they want to try again this year. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417031#417031 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2014
Subject: Re: Pietenpol for Sale
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
> > Too bad anouther small airport turned into houses. Though it died a slow > death Kitty hill kept trying to revive itself back into a thriving flying > airport. but it had many things going against it. 1. Growth of the greater Austin Metroplex and rising value for houses VS grass runways and old wooden hangars. 2. Rundown hangars 3. Somewhat rough runways that could not be used when wet or overgrown. 4. older pilots that don't fly as much, with aging planes that have not flown in many years in wornout termite eaten hangars. I decided against hangaring my Vtail there because it always seemed like the runway was wet when I wanted to fly in and look around. The few hangars that were availiable were pretty scary looking. Having said that, I always liked the people I met there and could have based there quite easily. I grieve the closing of anouther small airport. and they aren't making any new land to put airports on. Blue Skies, Steve D Piet in restoration San Antonio ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kevin McDonald" <ktmaustin(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol for Sale
Date: Jan 16, 2014
Yes, it is a sad day for for the expansion of Austin but a great opportunity for someone to get into a very fine Pietenpol. This airplane has soul... Buy it... 9K cash and carry Running out of time Kevin From: Steven Dortch Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Sale Too bad anouther small airport turned into houses. Though it died a slow death Kitty hill kept trying to revive itself back into a thriving flying airport. but it had many things going against it. 1. Growth of the greater Austin Metroplex and rising value for houses VS grass runways and old wooden hangars. 2. Rundown hangars 3. Somewhat rough runways that could not be used when wet or overgrown. 4. older pilots that don't fly as much, with aging planes that have not flown in many years in wornout termite eaten hangars. I decided against hangaring my Vtail there because it always seemed like the runway was wet when I wanted to fly in and look around. The few hangars that were availiable were pretty scary looking. Having said that, I always liked the people I met there and could have based there quite easily. I grieve the closing of anouther small airport. and they aren't making any new land to put airports on. Blue Skies, Steve D Piet in restoration San Antonio ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 17, 2014
Subject: Re: Pietenpol for Sale
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Kevin, I will email this to my EAA chapter with your permission. Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kevin McDonald" <ktmaustin(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol for Sale
Date: Jan 17, 2014
Sure thing. Kevin From: Steven Dortch Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Sale Kevin, I will email this to my EAA chapter with your permission. Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 17, 2014
Subject: Re: Pietenpol for Sale
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Done, lots of luck selling it. I would also get the EAA chapter in Austin to list it. IMHO quick sells are usually local. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Access panels
From: "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 17, 2014
danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote: > My belly panel is held on with #6-32 machine screws and embedded T-nuts into the spruce longerons and cross pieces. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > > > -- Did mine the same way and it is working fine. Rick H -------- Rick Holland NX6819Z Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417080#417080 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Access panels
From: "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com>
Date: Jan 17, 2014
I used two zippers in a V-shape to provide access on the bottom. Its easy, light and inexpensive. I can also get my upper body up in the fuselage to look around. I did this with Poly-Fiber system and now with Latex paint and all seems good. Wish I could claim the idea, but it came from Don Wolf and the Boredom Fighter design. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417086#417086 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: West systems
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 17, 2014
Well I received my prop today from Cloudcars. and talked to Jay some on his tips for doing the finish work.he was very helpful and says I should lay a fiberglass cloth on the backside from station 21 out with west system epoxy. I know some on here have used it but I have not. I did find dealers in the DFW area and probably will be down there next week. it seems pretty pricey and I probably only need a small amount. but anyway if anybody can give me any tips on a good place around there that might sell or maybe a boat shop I might get a little from instead of the quart kit for over 60 bucks I'd be glad to hear it. I know it must be very good quality- maybe it soaks in better than other brands? he will send me some pictures in a few weeks of one he is finishing up for someone so I can better see the process but I figured I'd better get some materials gathered up when I can- nothing like that brand available in the Texas panhandle as far as I know- at least not their dealers. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417110#417110 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 18, 2014
From: <r.r.hall(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: West systems
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=15002&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=50218&subdeptNum=50219&classNum=50220#.UtqEzK1Om2c If you only need a small amount they do sell prepackaged packets for repairs. Perounce it is more expensive but better than paying for a bunch you will never use. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Scott Liefelds Piet and B1 Bomber
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 18, 2014
Just for you Tools, as requested. Here is my plane with the B1 Bomber at Edwards AFB.. Between 1993 and 1995, I don't remember anymore. It was taken at about 7 am before the other 100 or so homebuilts and public showed up. The armed guards were very nice about it. It is amazing how well Pieters are treated. Do any of you have similar photos? With other special aircraft. I myself would like to see them. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417129#417129 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20140118_092616_158.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott Liefelds Piet and B1 Bomber
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 18, 2014
Correction, B2 Bomber. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417130#417130 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West systems
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 18, 2014
thanks- that looks like a good alternative. I think if I don't locate a dealer that has it in stock next week I'll order that 101T kit. I'd think it likely would have all the product I would need. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417133#417133 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott Liefelds Piet and B1 Bomber
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 18, 2014
Scott, That is SO cool! Thanks! Here's my dad's then newly completed Hatz and my (for the day, a cross country flight with a student into Dicky Goober for the weekend) TA-4J. Probably 1998 or so... I wanted to get a pic of them inflight one way or another, but dad wasn't too keen on the idea! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417136#417136 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott Liefelds Piet and B1 Bomber
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 18, 2014
Tools, No picture or link to a picture. Good thing your nickname isn't "computers". [Wink] -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417139#417139 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: It could be worse...
Date: Jan 18, 2014
The drought out here in The West is pretty bad.but it does have an up-side! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pFAzSHDuY8 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pFAzSHDuY8&feature=youtu.be> &feature=youtu.be Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 18, 2014
Subject: Re: It could be worse...
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Gary, Very nice! Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Ken On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > The drought out here in The West is pretty bad=85but it does have an > up-side! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pFAzSHDuY8&feature=youtu.be > > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > > * > =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: It could be worse...
Date: Jan 18, 2014
Thanks Gary where are you flying? makes me homesick for Nevada. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2014, at 6:34 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > The drought out here in The West is pretty badbut it does have an up-side! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pFAzSHDuY8&feature=youtu.be > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It could be worse...
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jan 18, 2014
Lincoln, Ca. Just NE of Sacramento. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2014, at 7:23 PM, glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com wrote: > > Thanks Gary where are you flying? makes me homesick for Nevada. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 18, 2014, at 6:34 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: >> >> The drought out here in The West is pretty badbut it does have a n up-side! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pFAzSHDuY8&feature=youtu.be >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> //forums.matronics.com >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: It could be worse...
Date: Jan 18, 2014
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Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 18, 2014
Curt wrote- >Ahhwest coast Pietenpol flyingLow and Slow at 12,000 feet You laugh! The Siskiyou Summit (highest point on Interstate 5) is 4,310 ft. and if I slide through the pass with maybe 500 ft. of clearance, I'm almost at 5,000 MSL. Never been that high in Scout! I start to get worried that I might escape the gravitational pull of Earth and slingshot out where I could get into Class Alpha airspace. And Scout being 'negative xpdr'...! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417157#417157 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 18, 2014
Oscar, Don't forget to take oxygen with you and tissue to shove in your nose for the bleeding. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417160#417160 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet fly-in 2014
Date: Jan 18, 2014
Oscar, Better give thyself more than 500'! It's bumpy up thar! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:00 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > Curt wrote- > >> Ahhwest coast Pietenpol flyingLow and Slow at 12,000 feet > > You laugh! The Siskiyou Summit (highest point on Interstate 5) is 4,310 ft. and if I slide through the pass with maybe 500 ft. of clearance, I'm almost at 5,000 MSL. Never been that high in Scout! I start to get worried that I might escape the gravitational pull of Earth and slingshot out where I could get into Class Alpha airspace. And Scout being 'negative xpdr'...! > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417157#417157 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: It could be worse...
Date: Jan 18, 2014
Ray, Not sure what you meant to post here....but it sure was great seeing you and that beautiful Waiex! I was halfway down the taxiway behind you as you left...tried to get your attention... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It could be worse... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott Liefelds Piet and B1 Bomber
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Really? Shows right up on my puter... hmmm... Lets try this! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417171#417171 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a4_and_hatz_147.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It could be worse...
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 19, 2014
that front pit cover must be a big help- how is it attached? thanks for the video Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417176#417176 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Subject: Re: It could be worse...
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
I want to know, too. I have one, attached with snaps, but when I fly with it, it rips out a couple. I can see there may be something rigid underneath in video. I was thinking about making an aluminum cover... On Jan 19, 2014 9:17 AM, "GNflyer" wrote: > > that front pit cover must be a big help- how is it attached? thanks for > the video > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417176#417176 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Scott Liefelds Piet and B1 Bomber
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Awesome picture! I am sure your dad loved it. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417177#417177 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: It could be worse...
Date: Jan 19, 2014
The cover only looks rigid or with stiffeners because it is painted with latex paint (thanks to the suggestion by Shelley, which she did on Kevin Purtee's FBG!). It not only make the canvas match the plane, but also somewhat water repellent and much stiffer! I have four toggles snaps, 1 in each corner. At 65F yesterday, I probably didn't need the front cover, but, Yes, it keeps almost all the wind off of my legs!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Zechini Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: It could be worse... I want to know, too. I have one, attached with snaps, but when I fly with it, it rips out a couple. I can see there may be something rigid underneath in video. I was thinking about making an aluminum cover... On Jan 19, 2014 9:17 AM, "GNflyer" wrote: that front pit cover must be a big help- how is it attached? thanks for the video Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417176#417176 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: more questions
Date: Jan 19, 2014
I am sure everyone has run into this but haven=99t seen it discussed. The main beams of the horizontal stabilizer are different sizes, 1/2=9D for the leading edge, 3/4=9D for the main beam, and 5/8=9D for the back. It gives it an aerodynamic shape but the vertical stabilizer does not sit flat. Should I mount the horizontal stabilizer to the fuselage and then align the vertical stabilizer to the end of the fuselage? Also how much offset of the vertical stabilizer for a corvair engine and which direction? Dennis ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: more questions
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Dennis, Vert Stab rear beam is even with the rear beam of the horizontal stab, which is even with the tail post. Vert Stab mounts above the horizontal by 1/8=9D or so, so the shape of the horizontal stab is not an issue. For a Corvair, you will offset to the right (looking forward). Mine is offset about 3/8=9D, which is not quite enough. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Engelkenjohn Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: more questions I am sure everyone has run into this but haven=99t seen it discussed. The main beams of the horizontal stabilizer are different sizes, 1/2=9D for the leading edge, 3/4=9D for the main beam, and 5/8=9D for the back. It gives it an aerodynamic shape but the vertical stabilizer does not sit flat. Should I mount the horizontal stabilizer to the fuselage and then align the vertical stabilizer to the end of the fuselage? Also how much offset of the vertical stabilizer for a corvair engine and which direction? Dennis ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It could be worse...
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Gary; where did you anchor the lug that the front seat shoulder harness mounts onto? Rear spar of the center section? Nice video; thanks for posting it. Lots of inspiration. We've had ice fog and temps rarely above freezing for weeks now, so the warm sun and clear skies in the video were nice to see. It is 34 in my hangar right now. One last comment: those fast, high-powered Corvair Piets sure need a lot of runway to land on! ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417195#417195 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: It could be worse...
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Oscar, The front shoulder harness attaches to a 1/4" aluminum bracket (which also has the compass mounted to it), bolted up thru the center section and to a piece of 1 1/2" 6061 angle, which is also attached to the rear spar. Don't think I have any pics of that. As for the landing distance of Corvair powered Piets, I can only say this: I fly off of a 6,000' runway. In the beginning, I aimed for the first set of hash marks all the time....until one day a drug my tail across the threshold marker lights...had pieces of red lenses buried in the bottom fabric!! When I told my instructor about it, he laughed and reminded me that I could always land long, aiming for a different spot. Conclusion: Some Pietenpol pilots think as slowly as their planes. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It could be worse... --> Gary; where did you anchor the lug that the front seat shoulder harness mounts onto? Rear spar of the center section? Nice video; thanks for posting it. Lots of inspiration. We've had ice fog and temps rarely above freezing for weeks now, so the warm sun and clear skies in the video were nice to see. It is 34 in my hangar right now. One last comment: those fast, high-powered Corvair Piets sure need a lot of runway to land on! ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417195#417195 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It could be worse...
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Gary; my old home field of San Geronimo Airpark has a 3000' hard surface runway but also has a nice grass area suitable for landing. The grass area is about 500' usable for takeoff but less than that for landing (to the south) due to trees and a fence. I never had any trouble operating off of the grass area when it was dry. Great fun, and it's what the Air Camper was made for. Granted, an airplane rolls a lot less on grass, and one with fat 6.00x6s like mine rolls a lot less than one with motorcycle tires and spoked wheels like yours. My present home field has a main runway that is 8800'x150' and has "hosted" the Antonov AN-124 cargo plane... the second largest in the world. Probably overkill for a Piet, but on the other hand, it's easy to stay current because I can taxi out and make three takeoffs and full-stop landings in one straight shot down the runway and taxi back to the hangar, all without leaving the immediate runway environment ;o) I had one of those "runway threshold incidents" that you describe, back in my early training days when working on my landings over, and over, and over again. I "improved" my short field landing skills to the point that I could touch it down right at the very edge of the pavement with the power off, nose high, full flaps, stall horn screaming, time after time. While doing this I found the edge of the pavement with the tail skid of the Cessna 150 one time, and after hearing and feeling the result, I decided it was better not to do that anymore. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417200#417200 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: more questions
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Thanks Gary. Would then the chord of the horizontal stabilizer be parallel to the upper longerons or have down wash or up wash. I know there are terms for what I=99m trying to ask but for the life of me, can=99t remember them. Dennis From: Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:34 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: more questions Dennis, Vert Stab rear beam is even with the rear beam of the horizontal stab, which is even with the tail post. Vert Stab mounts above the horizontal by 1/8=9D or so, so the shape of the horizontal stab is not an issue. For a Corvair, you will offset to the right (looking forward). Mine is offset about 3/8=9D, which is not quite enough. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Engelkenjohn Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: more questions I am sure everyone has run into this but haven=99t seen it discussed. The main beams of the horizontal stabilizer are different sizes, 1/2=9D for the leading edge, 3/4=9D for the main beam, and 5/8=9D for the back. It gives it an aerodynamic shape but the vertical stabilizer does not sit flat. Should I mount the horizontal stabilizer to the fuselage and then align the vertical stabilizer to the end of the fuselage? Also how much offset of the vertical stabilizer for a corvair engine and which direction? Dennis http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: It could be worse...
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Gary, Sorry I missed you, guess I was too intent on those Sky divers who had just jumped. One landed on the west side of the runway just before I departed. I was worried about them. Thanks again for the great afternoon. See you again....with all this good weather. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > Ray, > > Not sure what you meant to post here....but it sure was great seeing you and > that beautiful Waiex! I was halfway down the taxiway behind you as you > left...tried to get your attention... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 7:58 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It could be worse... > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: It could be worse...
Date: Jan 19, 2014
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From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: It could be worse...
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Gary, I tried to send you some photos of my SkyScout, guess they were too large to go out. I deleted the photos and just sent text, just now. I thought you had flown and taken the photos later in the evening. Wish I could have flown along side of you! Ray Sent from my iPad > On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > Ray, > > Not sure what you meant to post here....but it sure was great seeing you and > that beautiful Waiex! I was halfway down the taxiway behind you as you > left...tried to get your attention... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 7:58 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It could be worse... > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: more questions
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Dennis, Since I cannot recall, just looking at my pictures, it appears that I used =C2=BC=9D plywood on the forward beam, 3/16=9D plywood on the main beam, and 1/8=9D plywood on the rear beam. Must not be critical, because mine flies just fine. Maybe someone currently at that stage can chime in. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Engelkenjohn Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: more questions Thanks Gary. Would then the chord of the horizontal stabilizer be parallel to the upper longerons or have down wash or up wash. I know there are terms for what I=99m trying to ask but for the life of me, can=99t remember them. Dennis From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:34 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: more questions Dennis, Vert Stab rear beam is even with the rear beam of the horizontal stab, which is even with the tail post. Vert Stab mounts above the horizontal by 1/8=9D or so, so the shape of the horizontal stab is not an issue. For a Corvair, you will offset to the right (looking forward). Mine is offset about 3/8=9D, which is not quite enough. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Engelkenjohn Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: more questions I am sure everyone has run into this but haven=99t seen it discussed. The main beams of the horizontal stabilizer are different sizes, 1/2=9D for the leading edge, 3/4=9D for the main beam, and 5/8=9D for the back. It gives it an aerodynamic shape but the vertical stabilizer does not sit flat. Should I mount the horizontal stabilizer to the fuselage and then align the vertical stabilizer to the end of the fuselage? Also how much offset of the vertical stabilizer for a corvair engine and which direction? Dennis http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: It could be worse...
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Sorry you missed the skydiver, too...better luck next time. Sometimes I have to circle for 20 or 30 minutes to get a good run at 'em... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It could be worse... --> Gary, Sorry I missed you, guess I was too intent on those Sky divers who had just jumped. One landed on the west side of the runway just before I departed. I was worried about them. Thanks again for the great afternoon. See you again....with all this good weather. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > --> > > Ray, > > Not sure what you meant to post here....but it sure was great seeing > you and that beautiful Waiex! I was halfway down the taxiway behind > you as you left...tried to get your attention... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray > Krause > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 7:58 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It could be worse... > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Sky Scout pics
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Try re-sizing them...you are a master craftsman and I'm sure there are a bunch of us who like to see your work! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It could be worse... --> Gary, I tried to send you some photos of my SkyScout, guess they were too large to go out. I deleted the photos and just sent text, just now. I thought you had flown and taken the photos later in the evening. Wish I could have flown along side of you! Ray Sent from my iPad > On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > --> > > Ray, > > Not sure what you meant to post here....but it sure was great seeing > you and that beautiful Waiex! I was halfway down the taxiway behind > you as you left...tried to get your attention... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray > Krause > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 7:58 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It could be worse... > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: more questions
From: Keith <goffelectric(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Dennis, I'm still building so if I'm wrong I hope someone will let me know but I tho ught it was intentional for the horizontal stabilizer to be nose high. I did not level mine with the longeron. Then I took a little out of my verticals s tabilizer over the 3/4" beam so the rudder has the same spacing from top to b ottom Thanks, Keith goff Sent from my iPad > On Jan 19, 2014, at 3:04 PM, "Dennis Engelkenjohn" w rote: > > Thanks Gary. Would then the chord of the horizontal stabilizer be parallel to the upper longerons or have down wash or up wash. I know there are terms for what I=99m trying to ask but for the life of me, can=99t re member them. > Dennis > > From: Gary Boothe > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:34 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: more questions > > Dennis, > > Vert Stab rear beam is even with the rear beam of the horizontal stab, whi ch is even with the tail post. > > Vert Stab mounts above the horizontal by 1/8=9D or so, so the shape o f the horizontal stab is not an issue. > > For a Corvair, you will offset to the right (looking forward). Mine is off set about 3/8=9D, which is not quite enough. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Engelkenjohn > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:58 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: more questions > > I am sure everyone has run into this but haven=99t seen it discussed . The main beams of the horizontal stabilizer are different sizes, 1/2 =9D for the leading edge, 3/4=9D for the main beam, and 5/8=9D f or the back. It gives it an aerodynamic shape but the vertical stabilizer do es not sit flat. Should I mount the horizontal stabilizer to the fuselage an d then align the vertical stabilizer to the end of the fuselage? > Also how much offset of the vertical stabilizer for a corvair engine and which direction? > Dennis > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: texas piet. flyin
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 19, 2014
would anyone be interested in having a piet flyin at Nassau airpark Granbury, texas this spring????? jimhyde Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417219#417219 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cont. engine downthrust
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 19, 2014
I had my airplane up and level (removed the tailwheel for service) and the engine cowling is off, so I took the opportunity to put the level on the engine to see what the down thrust is. Continental A75 (but the 65 that I had on it previously was the same)- 3.5 degrees down. If I had a laser, I could have shot the side thrust offset too, but I don't. I had to use some washers on the engine mount bolts to get the down thrust where it is part of it was in the mount, but the rest was done with washers. It looks like a lot when you look at the engine cocked that way relative to the fuselage, but that's what it takes. With the vertical stabilizer offset and the engine thrust line moved over and down, my airplane flies nearly hands-off in smooth air. Playing with the offset is worth the exercise if you want your airplane to fly straight and level in smooth air in cruise without much need to hold rudder or stick. On warm and bumpy summer afternoons though, all bets are off. And when trying to re-fold a sectional or find a piece of information on the sectional in your lap, fageddaboudit. The minute you look down, the airplane will veer, guaranteed. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417223#417223 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 19, 2014
Subject: Re: texas piet. flyin
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
If My Plane is ready I would love to. BUt I would not bet on it. Steve D Piet in restoration. On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Braniff1966 wrote: > > would anyone be interested in having a piet flyin at Nassau airpark > Granbury, texas this spring????? > > jimhyde > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417219#417219 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: texas piet. flyin
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 19, 2014
if it looks like there may be an interest ill start a list and start to getting inputs frim the interested parties.. Granbury is a nice place to visit live theater, good food wildlife parks etc. jim ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== [b][/quote] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417226#417226 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: texas piet. flyin
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 19, 2014
if it looks like there may be an interest ill start a list and start to getting inputs frim the interested parties.. Granbury is a nice place to visit live theater, good food wildlife parks etc. jim ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== [b][/quote] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417228#417228 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sky Scout pics
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 19, 2014
I want to see your progress Ray!!! Mike Groah NX414MV Sent from my iPad > On Jan 19, 2014, at 1:27 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > Try re-sizing them...you are a master craftsman and I'm sure there are a > bunch of us who like to see your work! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 12:49 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It could be worse... > > --> > > Gary, > > I tried to send you some photos of my SkyScout, guess they were too large to > go out. I deleted the photos and just sent text, just now. I thought you had > flown and taken the photos later in the evening. Wish I could have flown > along side of you! > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: >> >> --> >> >> Ray, >> >> Not sure what you meant to post here....but it sure was great seeing >> you and that beautiful Waiex! I was halfway down the taxiway behind >> you as you left...tried to get your attention... >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray >> Krause >> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 7:58 PM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It could be worse... > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Sky Scout pics
Date: Jan 19, 2014
I will try resizing later today. Would like to get a few more of the cowling work. Thanks, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Jan 19, 2014, at 1:27 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > Try re-sizing them...you are a master craftsman and I'm sure there are a > bunch of us who like to see your work! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 12:49 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It could be worse... > > --> > > Gary, > > I tried to send you some photos of my SkyScout, guess they were too large to > go out. I deleted the photos and just sent text, just now. I thought you had > flown and taken the photos later in the evening. Wish I could have flown > along side of you! > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: >> >> --> >> >> Ray, >> >> Not sure what you meant to post here....but it sure was great seeing >> you and that beautiful Waiex! I was halfway down the taxiway behind >> you as you left...tried to get your attention... >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray >> Krause >> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 7:58 PM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It could be worse... > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sky Scout pics
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 20, 2014
Use this simple free software to re-size your pictures, works great: PhotoRazor (http://www.stormdance.net/software/photorazor/software%20overview.htm) -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417245#417245 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: texas piet. flyin
From: Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 20, 2014
Where is gran bury? Sent from my iPad On Jan 19, 2014, at 9:55 PM, "Braniff1966" wrote: > > if it looks like there may be an interest ill start a list and start to getting inputs frim the interested parties.. Granbury is a nice place to visit live theater, good food wildlife parks etc. > > jim > > > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > [b][/quote] > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417226#417226 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: texas piet. flyin
Date: Jan 20, 2014
SW of Fort Worth, on the Brazos River Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner Mason Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: texas piet. flyin Where is gran bury? Sent from my iPad On Jan 19, 2014, at 9:55 PM, "Braniff1966" wrote: > > if it looks like there may be an interest ill start a list and start to getting inputs frim the interested parties.. Granbury is a nice place to visit live theater, good food wildlife parks etc. > > jim > > > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > [b][/quote] > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417226#417226 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 20, 2014
Subject: Re: texas piet. flyin
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
What is a proposed date for the First Annual Grand Republic of Texas Pietenpol Flyin? Blue Skies Steve D On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Braniff1966 wrote: > > if it looks like there may be an interest ill start a list and start to > getting inputs frim the interested parties.. Granbury is a nice place to > visit live theater, good food wildlife parks etc. > > jim > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > [b][/quote] > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417226#417226 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: texas piet. flyin
From: "caldwrl" <caldwrl(at)etex.net>
Date: Jan 20, 2014
I would be interested. I am in the covering stage and hope to get the Piet in the air this year sometime, but would love to fly the Stinson over and see any that can fly in. If this works, I'll be first in line to fly over next spring. -------- Robert Caldwell Holly Lake Ranch, TX Hanger at Mineola-Wisener (3F9) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417257#417257 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: texas piet. flyin
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 20, 2014
I'll be there if at all possible. Won't have FBG rebuilt for this year but will get there somehow. Hans Van der Voort has a flying Piet within striking distance. Curt Merdan is close, but he's still building. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417258#417258 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair College 28, 28 Feb - 2 Mar, San Marcos, TX
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jan 20, 2014
Second-to-the-last reminder. Couple things: 1) We're going to cut off registration in the next few weeks. 2) Lodging is getting tight. Here's the link with all the info: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Corvair-College-28-28-Feb-2-Mar-14/320305497999282 -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417259#417259 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 20, 2014
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Corvair College 28, 28 Feb - 2 Mar, San Marcos, TX
Kevin: Do ;you know if there will be an installation kit for the Wesman 5th bearing available at the college or should I contact the Wesman's and try to get a kit to bring with me? Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. >>> "kevinpurtee" 1/20/2014 8:21 AM >>> Second-to-the-last reminder. Couple things: 1) We're going to cut off registration in the next few weeks. 2) Lodging is getting tight. Here's the link with all the info: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Corvair-College-28-28-Feb-2-Mar-14/320305497999282 -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee Rebuilding NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417259#417259 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: more questions
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jan 20, 2014
Hey Dennis The main and rear beams do just sit on the upper longerons (Well, on the gusset that's on the longerons) the front beam will sit high and I believe the plans show an 1/8" spacer under the front beam. I made the rear beam of the fin even with the rear beam of the horizontal and tailpost. The fittings will hold the fin above the horizontal slightly. I actually added a center rib to the horizontal and shaped the bottom of the fin to match but that's not really needed! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417272#417272 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_551.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cock pit cover
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 20, 2014
now that's an ingenious idea! is that a good word? if a fellow wanted to he could glue a couple bows and match the fuselage curve but at our speeds and with the font windshield I can't imaging there would be any real difference in drag.-might possibly change turbulence behind the back windshield. do you notice any more or less turbulence in the face between flying with it on and off? Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417276#417276 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Sky Scout pics
Date: Jan 20, 2014
Thanks for the source, but it appears it is only for Windows. Do you know of such a program for the iPad? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 20, 2014, at 4:28 AM, "womenfly2" wrote: > > > Use this simple free software to re-size your pictures, works great: PhotoRazor (http://www.stormdance.net/software/photorazor/software%20overview.htm) > > -------- > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417245#417245 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sky Scout pics
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 20, 2014
Email the pictures to yourself from the iPad and it will ask if you want to resize it. Then retrieve your email and save the resized pictures to your camera roll then attach the new picture to your post here. I hope that helps. -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417295#417295 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sky Scout pics
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 20, 2014
iPhoto should be able to do image resizing on the iPad, right? I'm not an Apple person, so I don't know for sure though. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417296#417296 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sky Scout pics
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 20, 2014
Try this one for resizing pictures on the iPad: Resize Image (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/resize-image/id409547517?mt=8) This a free downloadable Apps. -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417298#417298 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sky Scout pics
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 20, 2014
I just did a resizing as I described. -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417297#417297 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_356.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Sky Scout pics
Date: Jan 20, 2014
Thanks, I found that one already and am using it, pretty neat! Ray Sent from my iPad > On Jan 20, 2014, at 10:42 AM, "womenfly2" wrote: > > > Try this one for resizing pictures on the iPad: Resize Image (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/resize-image/id409547517?mt=8) > > This a free downloadable Apps. > > -------- > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417298#417298 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Sky Scout pics
Date: Jan 20, 2014
That works, too! Thanks Ray Sent from my iPad > On Jan 20, 2014, at 10:38 AM, "curtdm(at)gmail.com" wrote: > > > Email the pictures to yourself from the iPad and it will ask if you want to resize it. Then retrieve your email and save the resized pictures to your camera roll then attach the new picture to your post here. > > I hope that helps. > > -------- > Curt Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417295#417295 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: more questions
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 21, 2014
Gary gave you a good starting point for the offset. mine is now at about 5/8" best I remember and still could use a little more. everything still in test mode. I'm in the process of getting a different pitch prop for hopefully more thrust in flight without quite so much RPM.in my mind I think that might translate into a little less need for the offset but probably won't be noticeable. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417349#417349 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: texas piet. flyin
From: "jmgreenlee" <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Jan 21, 2014
I am very interested in Grand Republic of Texas Piet flyin. Granbury should be less than an hour and a half by Chief from my airfield. Put me on any list. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417355#417355 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "yb21701(at)juno.com" <yb21701(at)juno.com>
Date: Jan 21, 2014
Subject: New builder
Thanks for all the help Matt Dralle and fellow builders have been in get ting me so far along. Mine is the long fuselage, 3 piece wing, C-150 whe els, Cont. A-75 engine & Sensenich prop. 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