Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-nr

August 03, 2014 - August 19, 2014



      To give someone a ride that NEEDS one!
      
      I did that a BUNCH of times over.  Priceless!  And I still have to fly it back
      south... and probably north again next summer.  PRICELESS!
      
      Probably do it again next year. For the SAME reason.  I had the BEST time EVER!!
      
      Cheers,
      
      Tools
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427896#427896
      
      
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Subject: Re: Brodhead Report
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 03, 2014
John, Welcome. There are at least one or two builders that have built their aircraft and did not fly until the latter part of the build so you are in good company. I wish you and your dad the best as you build. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427897#427897 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead rigging project - 2014
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 03, 2014
Larry, Same place it was the last time you asked. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427898#427898 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_544_708.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Help us Noobs out
Date: Aug 03, 2014
For me, the main attraction was that I used to own a Piper J-3 Cub, until my practice wife came home one day and opened a bill for hangar rent and gave me an ultimatum: "Either the airplane goes, or I go". Foolishly, I sold the airplane (I should have just divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12 years of misery). Anyway, as the marriage was ending I realized I really missed that Cub, but by then Cub prices were out of sight and I couldn't afford one (still can't). I had flown a Pietenpol years before (actually it was a GN-1) and found it to fly very much like a Cub, so when I decided to build a plane, it was a natural choice. I also was attracted to a wooden airplane since I didn't know how to weld. I quickly found there are an awful lot of welded parts on this airplane, so I bought an oxy-acetylene rig and had a good welder come and give me some instruction. By the time I was done, I was a fair welder and am pleased with the welds on my plane (although the aileron horns, which were the first parts I welded, look pretty rough). If you want something with really good performance, build an RV or a Zenith. However, if you want an airplane that will turn heads on the ramp, and fly like a good honest airplane, build a Pietenpol. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gsnewsome Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help us Noobs out What was the deciding factor in choosing the Piet? This may help a few others take the plunge... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427870#427870 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 03, 2014
Subject: Re: Help us Noobs out
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
I have always loved planes and love low and slow flying. An old buddy and I have put in many an flight in his 1947 Aeronca Champ. I had looked at Piets in magazines and thought them pretty classic. Then that @#$%^$%, @$%$#, )(f*^%))!!!!!, Oscar Zuniga, took me up in Scout, Despite not having a headset (he did ask) I had a blast. After that I was hooked and was trying to convince the wife to let me get one. Then that $@$%$^@#, John Kuhfahl offered me first shot at a plane he had done a lot of work on. It was 90% complete! "Steve, All you need to do is assemble it!" Well, I hope to fly it before the end of September, Well over a year later. I can hardly wait. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> > > For me, the main attraction was that I used to own a Piper J-3 Cub, until > my > practice wife came home one day and opened a bill for hangar rent and gave > me an ultimatum: "Either the airplane goes, or I go". Foolishly, I sold > the airplane (I should have just divorced her on the spot and saved myself > 12 years of misery). > > Anyway, as the marriage was ending I realized I really missed that Cub, but > by then Cub prices were out of sight and I couldn't afford one (still > can't). I had flown a Pietenpol years before (actually it was a GN-1) and > found it to fly very much like a Cub, so when I decided to build a plane, > it > was a natural choice. > > I also was attracted to a wooden airplane since I didn't know how to weld. > I quickly found there are an awful lot of welded parts on this airplane, so > I bought an oxy-acetylene rig and had a good welder come and give me some > instruction. By the time I was done, I was a fair welder and am pleased > with the welds on my plane (although the aileron horns, which were the > first > parts I welded, look pretty rough). > > If you want something with really good performance, build an RV or a > Zenith. > However, if you want an airplane that will turn heads on the ramp, and fly > like a good honest airplane, build a Pietenpol. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gsnewsome > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:24 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help us Noobs out > > > > What was the deciding factor in choosing the Piet? > > This may help a few others take the plunge... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427870#427870 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 03, 2014
Subject: Mounting a Venturi
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
While I am not going to put a needle and ball or turn and bank or any other gyro on the plane, I thought this might be of interest for those who might want to. Old Bod, is an old aviator, VERY well respected, and VERY experienced, (Stearman owner and flew Airliners from DC3 to the 747. He has a venturi mounted in the exhaust stream. He has had it that way for years.Here is what he says in response to a question about it: "Have not had any ice or fouling problem with a venturi mounted in the exhaust stream. If you will note, that is the way venturi's tended to be mounted on the aircraft of the thirties. Mounting them on the side of the fuselage, as was done by Cessna and North American in the late forties and early fifties, was dumb! I once asked a Cessna salesman why they had the venturi's so mounted on the 172 and he said it was to keep that tiny slot clean. Seems he and some of the modern Cessna folks did not realize that the air comes out of the tiny slot and not in! While I imagine it is possible to foul a venturi with ice, I have not experienced that yet and have had a fair amount of ice on this airframe and many older airplanes I have owned which were so equipped over the years. Have been very pleased with the performance of my nice little brass venturi mounted in the exhaust stream. No corrosion problems and no failures at all. Those guys back in the thirties really DID know what they were doing! Happy Skies, Old Bob" I am sure someone will get mad because this idea is not on the Flying and Glider plans! ;+} Blue Skies, Steve D -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Flight Test Book Opinions
I have a copy of AC 90-89A, Flight testing Handbook, but am considering pur chasing "Flight Testing Homebuilt Aircraft" by Vaughan Askue. Has anyone re ad this book and if so, your thoughts on it?=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-p ilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretakerAero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/In stallation=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: Flight Test Book Opinions
Date: Aug 04, 2014
'Flight Testing Homebuilt Aircraft' by Vaughn Askue is an excellent referen ce. Very thorough. The text is descriptive and generic=2C so you will actua lly need to read the book and build your own flight test cards from the inf ormation you learn. The book clearly describes what you need to do in your flight test program. If you only get one reference=2C get this one. Another good reference is 'Flight Test Checklist=2C Homebuilder's Flight Te st Guide' by Jerry Milek. Find it online at the author's website. This is a book of test cards which you may be able to apply with only a few changes to fit your circumstances. Also consider 'Understanding Performance Flight Testing=2C Kitplanes and Pr oduction Aircraft' by Hubert C. Smith. (I think it is long out of print. Lo ok online for a used one that includes the spreadsheet diskette.) Aerodynam ic data reduction to develop your own performance charts. Not only cruise and fuel flow=2C but stuff you need to know like best rate and angle-of-cli mb=2C best glide speed=2C etc. Lorenzo Date: Mon=2C 4 Aug 2014 04:24:34 -0700 From: speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight Test Book Opinions I have a copy of AC 90-89A=2C Flight testing Handbook=2C but am considering purchasing "Flight Testing Homebuilt Aircraft" by Vaughan Askue. Has anyon e read this book and if so=2C your thoughts on it? If God is your co-pilot=2C switch seatsMike PerezKaretaker AeroJury Strut Fabrication/Installation =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: Flight Test Book Opinions
Date: Aug 04, 2014
Remember that you are trying to do more than just bore holes in the sky for your 40 hours to make sure your plane won't crash. Flight testing can be incredibly boring=2C but you should have the goal to gather some useful data on your plane during the flight test phase. Make a plan=3B write a set of flight test cards=3B use them. Good luck. Lorenzo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Flight Test Book Opinions
Date: Aug 04, 2014
I have a copy of it and highly recommend it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 7:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight Test Book Opinions I have a copy of AC 90-89A, Flight testing Handbook, but am considering purchasing "Flight Testing Homebuilt Aircraft" by Vaughan Askue. Has anyone read this book and if so, your thoughts on it? If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flight Test Book Opinions
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 04, 2014
Mike, If you subscribe to Kitplanes, they have had an ongoing series of articles over the past year about flight testing. Very informative. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427924#427924 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fly-ins
From: "bender" <dude(at)twc.com>
Date: Aug 04, 2014
Lee Bottom is having their fly in this year too Sept 19-20. http://www.leebottom.com/ Maybe I can get this little continental mounted by then Jeff Faith sdf Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427925#427925 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Drawing two
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 04, 2014
Hate to bother you all with these amateur questions. 1) On drawing two, there are cross section drawings of beams, braces, LE and TE. Do those apply to the vert stab/rudder as well as horizontal stab/elevator? I'm guessing yes; just want to confirm. 2) How do I determine the size/profile of the wood on the edges/sides of the tail section (rudder top/bottom, horizontal stab outer edges, elevator inboard/outboard edges)? 3) when making the gussets, did you enlarge the drawing in order to maintain the shape as depicted? Speaking of gussets, I have a lot of mahogany from aircraft spruce I could use. Any problem with mahogany (getting ready to build ribs)? Photos indicate other wood for gussets on tail section. Thank you for your patience with a newbie. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427942#427942 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drawing two
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 04, 2014
Hi John, I don't have the plans in front of me but I think the rudder/fin dimensions of the members are the same. The tail surface plans are pretty complete, so the sizes should be there. As far as the size of the gussets... the idea is to get as much gluing surface area with minimal size, so try to get the gluing area that the prints show. It doesn't have to be super precise and exact. Just make them look about like what the prints show and you'll be fine. Mahogany? Absolutely! Very good stuff. It's stable and has excellent rot resistance. The only problem with it is that when you varnish it you really don't want to cover it! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427945#427945 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drawing two
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 04, 2014
No bother at all- If I remember- I started with some square stock for all those edge pieces- I set up the fence on the table saw to make an angled cut on opposite sides of the square stock so the piece tapered from the thickness of the main beam on one end down to the thickness of the leading edge at the other end. Then I set the fence straight set the blade height to leave the same size shoulder as the leading edge/main beam and , with what you determine To be the inside edge of the piece down, ran both sides through the saw again. That will give you a tapering T shaped piece that should work pretty well. -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427951#427951 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: how far down the stack to inject smoke oil
Date: Aug 04, 2014
Jack Textor----sorry it took me a while to check my e-mail but here is a ph oto of where I inject my smoke oil------it is closer than I remember to the exhaust flange but must be good and hot to vaporize the oil! [cid:image001.png(at)01CFAFF4.EE578D70] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flight Test Book Opinions
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 04, 2014
Mike, I stand corrected. Although there are indeed some articles in Kitplanes, there is a monthly column called "Flight Testing Techniques" in each issue of the Experimenter Magazine, the online magazine produced by EAA- http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/aviation-education-and-resources/eaa-magazines-and-publications/eaa-experimenter-magazine/eaa-experimenter-archives These are what I was thinking of. The best part is, the magazines are totally free to anyone (not just EAA members), and downloadable from the link above. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427975#427975 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Flight Test Book Opinions
Thanks for the added options. I'll be looking into these so that I can buil d a good understanding of what needs to be done and how to do it. I have pl enty of time as I won't be test flying until next summer at the earliest. =0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol N8031 with smoke on takeoff
Date: Aug 05, 2014
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Gerry's A-65 Pietenpol Cousin in England, UK Pietenpol
Club
Date: Aug 05, 2014
Gerry----what a great looking little airplane and you must have great fun w ith it over in England. Love the windshield and polished aluminum cowling . Your prop is a piece of history and so cool that you had it refurbished and you are still keeping it doing what it was made for. You'd fit right in at the Brodhead fly-in or any little airplane fly-in in the USA so if you're ever over here -----please look one of us up and I'm sure we'll be able to get you a fligh t in a Pietenpol. It is really impressive to see all the great Pietenpol activity in the UK t oo! http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/ Mike C. [cid:image003.png(at)01CFB07D.425522B0] From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:53 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol Cousin Very nice, Gerry! A friend owns two...quick (compared to the Piet!) and stu rdy little planes. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list -server(at)matronics.com> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] O n Behalf Of Gerry Holland Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol Cousin In an email conversation with Mike Cuy he suggested I circulate some basic details of my Corben Ace as a cousin of the Piet. It too saw the light of day in 1929 as a homebuilt plan. I live in England, the home of a few great Pietenpols and it seems natural to keep an eye on their life here and also the US fraternity and beyond. In fact I have the last Corben in Europe as far as I know. I crashed the se cond to last in 2012! Oops! Total write off. Mine is around 50+ years old and ex-Savannah, GA, an import. I reassembled it and rebuilt as necessary after buying as a dismantled unit. I sent my very tired A65-8 to be professionally rebuilt and it turns a vint age Flottorp 72" X 50" Prop. Again old but overhauled at Hercules Props. http://www.hercprops.com/ The Corben uses a Clark Y Airfoil full stop and a 26 foot span. It flies be autifully. I decided to go for shabby chic with polished aluminium and latex paint rol led on the rest. Great fun but it does look odd to any observer passing to see an aircraft being rolled with paint. The finish is dull but in keeping. A Thank you to Douwe, Oscar and others for sharing their Piet's. Gave me lo ts of ideas. If you visit UK give me a shout for a beer. I'm in the West Country in Some rset. Obligatory photo attached. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland gholland@content-stream.co.uk +44 (0)7808 402404 [cid:image004.jpg(at)01CFB07D.425522B0] White Ox Mead Airstrip, Bath. England [cid:image005.jpg(at)01CFB07D.425522B0] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: how far down the stack to inject smoke oil
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2014
Thanks Mike! Looks like the fitting is brazed on? Not to make it complicate d, no back flow problems? Does the pipe protrude into the exhaust? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Aug 4, 2014, at 2:01 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, L LC]" wrote: > > Jack Textor----sorry it took me a while to check my e-mail but here is a p hoto of where I inject my smoke oil------it is closer than I remember > to the exhaust flange but must be good and hot to vaporize the oil! > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: resend-- N8031 on takeoff with smoke
Date: Aug 05, 2014
Jeff! Your video was great, especially in light of the fact that your son didn't know you installed the smoke system. You can tell he really enjoyed it once he realized the engine wasn't having a problem. Very cool stuff. Your home airport looks like the perfect place to keep a Pietenpol! Mike C. Thanks Mike for the smoker system idea! Here a video of my son and myself and he did not know I installed the smoker system! Thanks Jeff N8031 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqNkgQo2e5Q&sns=em ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: how far down the stack to inject smoke oil
Date: Aug 05, 2014
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Subject: Re: how far down the stack to inject smoke oil
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2014
Thanks Uncle Mike! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Aug 5, 2014, at 7:31 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, L LC]" wrote: > > Jack=94I welded my fitting to the exhaust pipe Jack but I suppose br azing would work well also. The poly spray bottle has a check valve of som e sort > built in so when you=99re not flowing oil the exhaust gas backpressu re isn=99t a factor as far as I can tell. Good question though. Al though I don=99t have one > a simple in-line liquid one way check valve might not be a bad idea. > > The fitting is simply welded to the exhaust stack and doesn=99t prot rude at all into the stack. The only holes that are drilled are two No. 6 0 holes spaced > about 1/8=9D apart from each other in the wall of the exhaust pipe. > > Actually I welded my fitting onto the exhaust stack and then drilled the N o. 60 drill holes in the center of the =C2=BC=9D opening of the fittin g. > > Mike C. > > Below I used a piece of conduit to illustrate how the two holes look in th e exhaust pipe and the various fittings one might use to weld/braze onto > the exhaust pipe wall. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: flight testing and my Uncle..........
Date: Aug 05, 2014
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From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: flight testing and my Uncle..........
Date: Aug 05, 2014
Mike C.=2C Excellent advice in the First Flight article that you link to. I don't recall if I've read the other Flight Test articles from SA=2C but I'm on my way to look them up. Always good food for thought from Uncle Tony . Lorenzo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: fog shot
Date: Aug 05, 2014
Here's a cool one from springfield-Beckley Barnstormer's weekend Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2014
Subject: Re: Gerry's A-65 Pietenpol Cousin in England, UK Pietenpol
Club
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Does it have a door? It looks harder to get into that a Piet. Blue Skies, Steve D On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > Gerry----what a great looking little airplane and you must have great > fun with it over in England. Love the windshield and polished aluminum > cowling. > > Your prop is a piece of history and so cool that you had it refurbished > and you are still keeping it doing what it was made for. You=99d fit right > in at the Brodhead > > fly-in or any little airplane fly-in in the USA so if you=99re ever over > here-----please look one of us up and I=99m sure we=99ll be a ble to get you a > flight in a Pietenpol. > > It is really impressive to see all the great Pietenpol activity in the UK > too! http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/ > > > Mike C. > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary Boothe > *Sent:* Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:53 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol Cousin > > > Very nice, Gerry! A friend owns twoquick (compared to the Piet!) and > sturdy little planes. > > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Gerry Holland > *Sent:* Friday, August 01, 2014 10:22 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: A Pietenpol Cousin > > > In an email conversation with Mike Cuy he suggested I circulate some basi c > details of my Corben Ace as a cousin of the Piet. > > It too saw the light of day in 1929 as a homebuilt plan. > > I live in England, the home of a few great Pietenpols and it seems natura l > to keep an eye on their life here and also the US fraternity and beyond. > > In fact I have the last Corben in Europe as far as I know. I crashed the > second to last in 2012! Oops! Total write off. > > Mine is around 50+ years old and ex-Savannah, GA, an import. I reassemble d > it and rebuilt as necessary after buying as a dismantled unit. > > I sent my very tired A65-8 to be professionally rebuilt and it turns a > vintage Flottorp 72" X 50" Prop. Again old but overhauled at Hercules Pro ps. > > http://www.hercprops.com/ > > The Corben uses a Clark Y Airfoil full stop and a 26 foot span. It flies > beautifully. > > I decided to go for shabby chic with polished aluminium and latex paint > rolled on the rest. Great fun but it does look odd to any observer passin g > to see an aircraft being rolled with paint. > > The finish is dull but in keeping. > > A Thank you to Douwe, Oscar and others for sharing their Piet's. Gave me > lots of ideas. > > If you visit UK give me a shout for a beer. I'm in the West Country in > Somerset. > > Obligatory photo attached. > > Regards > > Gerry > > > *Gerry Holland* > > > *gholland@content-stream.co.uk +44 (0)7808 > 402404 <%2B44%20%280%297808%20402404>* > > > *White Ox Mead Airstrip, Bath. England* > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gerry's A-65 Pietenpol Cousin in England, UK Pietenpol
Club
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 05, 2014
Steve, The polished aluminum with the Wing Decal is a door. It is quite large so getting in is not a problem. The D model Baby Ace is a little roomier than the earlier models. They are great little airplanes. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428026#428026 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gerry's A-65 Pietenpol Cousin in England, UK Pietenpol
Club
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Date: Aug 05, 2014
Yes it does have a forward hingeing door on starboard side. Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: !Q
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2014
Hello Good Piet-ple, Had a chance to rout the pockets in my new spar blanks this past weekend. They are now ready to re-install in to the wings. It' feels good to have this portion completed. The pockets are 1/4 inch deep -per plans - and it saved about three pounds per spar. Great to read posts of Brodhead this year - although I have not seen any photos.....?!??! Inspiration to one day attend as well........... Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428039#428039 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/routed_rear_spars_203.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/spar_pocket_242.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2014
From: Robert Rice <ricekrgr(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Broadhead photo
This photo says it all. Thanks Tools! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Broadhead photo
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2014
That's what it's about...... :-) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428051#428051 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Broadhead photo
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2014
Hehe! You're welcome... but... Do know I had half a mind to head south! But after the flight from north GA, I determined Mexico was WAAAAY to far away! Seriously, thank YOU! A decent night's sleep in that FANTASTIC 50's bus/coach of yours was VERY WELL received! Kinda funny, look at that smile. That was BEFORE we flew. Was even better afterwards! I'm so glad you both trusted me! For the crowd, she was a NERVOUS passenger. FIRST FLIGHT EVER! Took a while before she agreed. Definitely one of the highlights of my weekend. Let's do it again! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428063#428063 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: nostaligia
Date: Aug 05, 2014
This is Kankakee, IL where I stopped on the way home. I love this shot because it really feels like you've stepped back in time. The place feels like you've stepped back in time. There's a Stearman behind those doors and the office/lounge hasn't been touched since the forties. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol elevator droop is NOT mythical...
Date: Aug 05, 2014
Ck out the "mythical" elevator droop on both these piets. Re-PIET has more, but they're both down. Very interesting. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: nostaligia
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2014
Love this shot, as well as the one with the fog! Any shots of inside the FBO? I need a theme for my bar area in the firehouse... Kankakee is where I got the '29 American LaFrance by the way. Wish I'd have known to stop by the airport! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428067#428067 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: FW: Pietenpol Article
Date: Aug 05, 2014
There's a person of interest on page 18. Congratulations, Randy!! Gary Boothe NX308MB http://experimenter.epubxp.com/i/323139 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: Pietenpol Article
From: Robert Bush <rbush96589(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Thanks Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:59 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > There=99s a person of interest on page 18. Congratulations, Randy!! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > http://experimenter.epubxp.com/i/323139 > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Droop IS mythical!!
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
I don't see any! Ok, maybe there is... perhaps it's just that as a dad I can't see past my son soloing! Really proud of that kid. Robert took the photo from the Taylorcraft while I flew. Was a GREAT flight! Robert was also kind enough to get a video of an entire flight with Scott flying with his Gopro onboard 2RN. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428086#428086 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scottsolo_785.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Droop IS mythical!!
Date: Aug 06, 2014
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Date: Aug 06, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Jury Strut Structure
Looking at the jury strut structure, I am wondering what the purpose is of the piece that runs from the front jury to the rear jury, at the wing strut connection. Assuming this piece needs to be installed, can it be flat as o pposed to round or streamline tube? =0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, sw itch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretakerAero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installati on=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Droop IS mythical!!
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Too Cool. It is a great feeling to have your kid solo. The Piet none the less. Fantastic. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428088#428088 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jury Strut Structure
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Mike, that's for strapping your camp chair to when you fly to Brodhead.=0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AF rom: Michael Perez =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Wed, Aug 6, 2014 10:11 am=0ASubj ect: Pietenpol-List: Jury Strut Structure=0A=0A=0A=0ALooking at the jury strut structure, I am wondering what the purpose is of the piece that runs from the front jury to the rear jury, at the wing strut connection. Assuming this piece needs to b e installed, can it be flat as opposed to round or streaml ine tube? =0A=0A =0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMi ke Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation=0A=0A=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== ========================0A=0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2014
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Trade new Aeronca Strut forks (I don't need) for turnbuckles
(I DO need!). Wait! Don't order those Aeronca Strut Forks (pn 05-08575) from Aircraft Spruce! I have two of them I don't need and I DO need 4 turnbuckles. AN130-8S or AN130-16S would be fine. (The small ones that would be ok for the tail section cables.) Let me know offline if anyone has a need for the forks and would like to trade.... Thanks! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Droop IS mythical!!
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Thanks! Getting him to solo was EASY. I just checked his logbook, about 8 hours total. He's really ONLY ever flown a Piet. Has about 40 hours now. Getting him to take the written... got my hands full! My nagging isn't going to do a thing. His desire to take folks for rides... that may do it. Or the fact he has to wait for me to be home to fly, another thing in my favor! I told him once he gets his PPL, I'll give him the Piet. Fingers crossed! It's a double whammie, giving him the Piet MAY finally ge me off my arse to build my own! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428093#428093 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jury Struts
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
=0AMike, the cross piece between the struts is what you stra p your camping chairs to when flying to Brodhead.=0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0ANX629ML=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ALooking at the jury str ut structure, I am wondering what the purpose is of the pi ece that runs from the front jury to the rear jury, at t he wing strut connection. Assuming this piece needs to be in stalled, can it be flat as opposed to round or streamline tube? =0A=0A =0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike P erez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Trade new Aeronca Strut forks (I don't need) for turnbuckles
(I DO need!). Hi Jim. I may be able to help you out...I'll have to check my stock at home . If I had them, they would be the MS Clip Locking variety.- HOWEVER, I d o not need forks...any chance you have 4, AN42B-17 eye bolts?=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury St rut Fabrication/Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Subject: Re: Pietenpol elevator droop is NOT mythical...
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
Douwe: Some more droop. On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Ck out the "mythical" elevator droop on both these piets. Re-PIET has > more, > but they're both down. Very interesting. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
FANTASTIC! Nearly all the tools I own started out in a heap like that. Most folks sort their garbage and feel good about recycling... THAT is REAL recycling. Bravo! "We all die, the goal isn't to live forever. The goal, is to create something that does." You're doing Centilli a real favor. Footnote: Ironically I JUST heard that quote on an episode of Criminal Minds, not half hour ago. Can't remember who said it. Seems appropriate. Good luck with the project, looking forward to tracking that. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428100#428100 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again
This is going to be a very interesting project...one of which I will be wat ching closely. The documentation already acquired and the possibility of sp eaking to a family member(s) from owners past is fantastic! I really love t his kind of stuff and I wish you both the best with this new endeavor.=0A =0AI noticed the one photo shows stripes on the wings, that would be cool t o replicate on the finished product...assuming the original paint scheme wi ll be used.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez =0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Trade new Aeronca Strut forks (I don't need) for turnbuckles
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Jim, If you find no one to swap with you and you want to sell the forks, just reach me off-line. I would be interested. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428104#428104 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Droop IS mythical!!
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Tools, I met Scotty at tool-stock '14. He's an amazing young man. I'm sure he'll have no problem with the written exam. Tool-stock '15? And in preparation for your new Piet you should visit Barnwell in November for the Corvair College. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428106#428106 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: control pulleys
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
This and so many more questions are all found in the Tony Bingellis books. If you don't have them, I suggest going to the EAA web site and ordering them. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428107#428107 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Droop IS mythical!!
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Oh ya. Planning on Toolstock 15 South around late Feb or so. Also planning on having a Toolstock North event here in OSH... no determinations on when yet though. Need to poll the crowd. That'll be a smaller event much lesser in scope. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428108#428108 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: SENTUCHOWS(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Subject: A-65 engine
I have a rebuilt A-65 engine. I did the rebuild. Crank ground by ECI has .020 rods and .010 mains. Cyl rebuilt. Carb and Case mags rebuilt. No prop hub. Started on third prop. $1900. Dave ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Subject: Re: Trade new Aeronca Strut forks (I don't need)
for turnbuckles
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
I'll trade. 4 smaller turnbuckles for the two strut adjusters. Chuck On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:22 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> > > Jim, > > If you find no one to swap with you and you want to sell the forks, just > reach me off-line. I would be interested. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > USMC, USMCR, ATP > BVD DVD PDQ BBQ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428104#428104 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fog shot
From: "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Cool shot, but better this way [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428122#428122 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_1_2_108_129.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2014
From: Charles Burkholder <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Droop IS mythical!!
Hello tools just wondering if you are open to adopting? If you adopt me I come with a 75% completed Piet project that you could have..... Ha I hope your son knows how lucky he is..... Charles B On 8/6/2014 9:21 AM, tools wrote: > > Thanks! Getting him to solo was EASY. I just checked his logbook, about 8 hours total. He's really ONLY ever flown a Piet. Has about 40 hours now. > > Getting him to take the written... got my hands full! My nagging isn't going to do a thing. His desire to take folks for rides... that may do it. Or the fact he has to wait for me to be home to fly, another thing in my favor! I told him once he gets his PPL, I'll give him the Piet. Fingers crossed! > > It's a double whammie, giving him the Piet MAY finally ge me off my arse to build my own! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428093#428093 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > -- Charles Burkholder Visit my blog @ http://missionmechfund.blogspot.ca/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Droop IS mythical!!
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
OK! not only does this kid solo a Piet, but he can rib stitch and apply finishing tapes too ! And so can his girlfriend. Kid has the " Right Stuff ". Congrats Scott, I'm sure the old man can't get rid of that Piet grin... Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428132#428132 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Droop IS mythical!!
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Tools, Guess what? That is the exact same way I got my Piet. Dad always told me that I could have it if I got my PPL. Well, in 1993 that happened but I was 32 not a 16 year old when I finally got my license. Dad followed through with his promise. He flew it for 21 years and I guess I have now had it 21 years. Wow, just realized that. That's something. I always thought that he was the best dad a guy could have. I guess that there are two of you now. Awesome job for both of you, Oh, My name is Scott too, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428134#428134 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Trade new Aeronca Strut forks (I don't need) for turnbuckle
From: "dfwplt" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Thanks Chuck, For some reason I can't find your email address....could you please send me a note offlist? jim_markle(at)mindspring.com JM Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428135#428135 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: builders map/location
From: "wheelharp" <wheelharp(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
I'm sure it has been covered somewhere as extensive as this list is, but I have been unsuccessful finding thread if it exists, so I'll break down and ask... I was wondering how to locate other builders as well as finished Piets- I know the member pages sometimes show location if you opt to show it, but I'm sure there are many that don't show up. I missed a Piet that was being built just a few miles from my house. By the time I found out, it was long gone. ARRGHHH!!! I would really like to visit fellow builders within driving distance to look at their project as I build mine. Thanks! Jon Ironton MO (100mi south of St. Louis) -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428136#428136 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: builders map/location
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
im in granbury, tx my project has the fuse being covered. one wing and crnter section is finished, tail is built covered and painted, and second wing is one third done. the gear and motor mount and engine are ready to install.. you are welcome to to look...phone 817 578 1215 jim hyde Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428143#428143 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: builders map/location
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Aug 06, 2014
Hi buddy.... My name is Kenny Crider and I live in Northeast Arkansas about 30 miles west of Jonesboro. in the Small town of Swifton. You would be more than welcome to visit . I have my fuselage mostly built sitting on the split axle type gear with Die spring suspension. at the present I am running control cables to the rear control surfaces and building my break pedals for my small go cart type brakes. I have a few,(about 10, wing ribs made, nothing on the wings or center section built yet. My phone is 870 926-7165... I am attempting to use a Jeep 134 flathead engine which will be similar to a Ford A... If that don't pan out, it will probably be a 65 continental. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428147#428147 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: builders map/location
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Jon, This may help, but it's not up to date... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 10:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location Hi buddy.... My name is Kenny Crider and I live in Northeast Arkansas about 30 miles west of Jonesboro. in the Small town of Swifton. You would be more than welcome to visit . I have my fuselage mostly built sitting on the split axle type gear with Die spring suspension. at the present I am running control cables to the rear control surfaces and building my break pedals for my small go cart type brakes. I have a few,(about 10, wing ribs made, nothing on the wings or center section built yet. My phone is 870 926-7165... I am attempting to use a Jeep 134 flathead engine which will be similar to a Ford A... If that don't pan out, it will probably be a 65 continental. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428147#428147 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: builders map/location
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Didn't Jack Textor put that one together? You're right - it's out of date. All my contact information except my cellphone number has been changed for at least 2 years. Current contact info: Jack Phillips (919) 427-4440 1995 Buccaneer Road Moneta, VA 24121 jack(at)bedfordlandings.com Pietenpol NX899JP "Icarus Plummet", flying for 10 years now (5 trips to Brodhead) Wire Wheels, Straight Axle Long Fuselage A65-8 Continental CloudCars prop -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 7:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location Jon, This may help, but it's not up to date... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 10:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location Hi buddy.... My name is Kenny Crider and I live in Northeast Arkansas about 30 miles west of Jonesboro. in the Small town of Swifton. You would be more than welcome to visit . I have my fuselage mostly built sitting on the split axle type gear with Die spring suspension. at the present I am running control cables to the rear control surfaces and building my break pedals for my small go cart type brakes. I have a few,(about 10, wing ribs made, nothing on the wings or center section built yet. My phone is 870 926-7165... I am attempting to use a Jeep 134 flathead engine which will be similar to a Ford A... If that don't pan out, it will probably be a 65 continental. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428147#428147 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: finding other builders
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Hey Jon, Best way to locate builders is to do exactly what you did. Just put out an email saying where you are and asking for replies. I often do this when traveling to a different cities so I can visit projects. Usually works well. I'm up near Cincinnati so probably too far, but you're welcome to come up for a visit and a ride. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Droop IS mythical!!
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Wow, that's pretty cool! I'll pass it along to him. Dan, thanks for getting the kids involved like you did. I'm always pretty nervous about pushing too hard, so it REALLY helps when someone else comes along and steps in like that. For what it's worth, the goal here wasn't to praise my kid, but to show as many folks as possible that this CAN happen. Ole Scott and I don't see eye to eye on plenty, we've got a number of years of not much communication. He practically NEVER spent time in the shop with me as a kid... I just planted the seed and WAITED! And waited, and waited and waited. Then one day, it just happened. We've had the best (and it was never BAD, just sort of normal for a dad and son with NEARLY the same interests...) relationship since. It has been fantastic to share this with him. I always encouraged, but never pushed. ALWAYS exposed him to other aviation oriented folks and like Dan they nearly always would share as well. I guess the point is, it's never too late. And you never know it's NOT going to happen. Nonetheless I am lucky! It DID happen and I don't take it for granted. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428153#428153 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Subject: Re: builders map/location
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Would something along these lines be of interest to the group? http://bit.ly/pietmap (Just thrown together quick using some of the data from Jack's old spreadsheet) On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: > Didn't Jack Textor put that one together? You're right - it's out > of date. All my contact information except my cellphone number has been > changed for at least 2 years. > > > Current contact info: > > > Jack Phillips > > (919) 427-4440 > > 1995 Buccaneer Road > > Moneta, VA 24121 > > jack(at)bedfordlandings.com > > > Pietenpol NX899JP "Icarus Plummet", flying for 10 years now (5 trips to > Brodhead) > > Wire Wheels, Straight Axle > > Long Fuselage > > A65-8 Continental > > CloudCars prop > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 7:00 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location > > > Jon, > > > This may help, but it's not up to date... > > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 10:57 PM > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location > > > Hi buddy.... My name is Kenny Crider and I live in Northeast Arkansas > about > > 30 miles west of Jonesboro. in the Small town of Swifton. You would be > > more than welcome to visit . I have my fuselage mostly built sitting on > > the split axle type gear with Die spring suspension. at the present I am > > running control cables to the rear control surfaces and building my break > > pedals for my small go cart type brakes. I have a few,(about 10, wing ribs > > made, nothing on the wings or center section built yet. My phone is > > 870 926-7165... I am attempting to use a Jeep 134 flathead engine which > > will be similar to a Ford A... If that don't pan out, it will probably be a > > 65 continental. > > > Read this topic online here: > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428147#428147 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: builders map/location
From: Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2014
All I will share the more current list when I get home... Sent from my iPad > On Aug 7, 2014, at 6:00 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Jon, > > This may help, but it's not up to date... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 10:57 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location > > > Hi buddy.... My name is Kenny Crider and I live in Northeast Arkansas about > 30 miles west of Jonesboro. in the Small town of Swifton. You would be > more than welcome to visit . I have my fuselage mostly built sitting on > the split axle type gear with Die spring suspension. at the present I am > running control cables to the rear control surfaces and building my break > pedals for my small go cart type brakes. I have a few,(about 10, wing ribs > made, nothing on the wings or center section built yet. My phone is > 870 926-7165... I am attempting to use a Jeep 134 flathead engine which > will be similar to a Ford A... If that don't pan out, it will probably be a > 65 continental. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428147#428147 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Builders
From: "venlo" <bpstoffel(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Any builders in the Fargo, ND area? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428161#428161 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: builders map/location
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Ryan, Yes, I do think the map is a huge help. What can we all do to help get it together? What can I do, personally, to help? Just let me know. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428169#428169 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Subject: Re: builders map/location
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Tablet Jack, add me when you get the chance. Matt Paxton 178 Huffman Ln Fairfield, VA 24435 540-460-3113 woodflier(at)aol.com Short fuselage, cub gear, A65 powered Pietenpol. First flight 5/22/11. Jack Textor wrote: All I will share the more current list when I get home... Sent from my iPad > On Aug 7, 2014, at 6:00 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Jon, > > This may help, but it's not up to date... > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 10:57 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location > > > Hi buddy.... My name is Kenny Crider and I live in Northeast Arkansas about > 30 miles west of Jonesboro. in the Small town of Swifton. You would be > more than welcome to visit . I have my fuselage mostly built sitting on > the split axle type gear with Die spring suspension. at the present I am > running control cables to the rear control surfaces and building my break > pedals for my small go cart type brakes. I have a few,(about 10, wing ribs > made, nothing on the wings or center section built yet. My phone is > 870 926-7165... I am attempting to use a Jeep 134 flathead engine which > will be similar to a Ford A... If that don't pan out, it will probably be a > 65 continental. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428147#428147 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: builders map/location
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Very nice map. Update it with the updated list from Jack Textor when he pro vides it. Lorenzo =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Subject: Re: builders map/location
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Why not everyone use Google Earth to locate the Latitude and Longitude of their shop, hangar, or whatever and then have someone make a list of all contributors with their Lat Long positions listed with the name of the nearest town. Then anyone can find the location they are interested in from the list. My location is Lat 35-37 North, 80-28 West. Salisbury, NC. Chuck On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> > > Ryan, > > Yes, I do think the map is a huge help. What can we all do to help get it > together? What can I do, personally, to help? Just let me know. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > USMC, USMCR, ATP > BVD DVD PDQ BBQ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428169#428169 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Subject: Re: builders map/location
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Hi Terry, Nothing needed at the moment, I'll just wait for Jack's updated directory. I'll let you know though.....thanks! -Ryan On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:02 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> > > Ryan, > > Yes, I do think the map is a huge help. What can we all do to help get it > together? What can I do, personally, to help? Just let me know. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > USMC, USMCR, ATP > BVD DVD PDQ BBQ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428169#428169 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: builders map/location
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Might also need nearest airport for a flying visit Barry NX973BP From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles N. Campbell Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location Why not everyone use Google Earth to locate the Latitude and Longitude of their shop, hangar, or whatever and then have someone make a list of all contributors with their Lat Long positions listed with the name of the nearest town. Then anyone can find the location they are interested in from the list. My location is Lat 35-37 North, 80-28 West. Salisbury, NC. Chuck On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:02 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: Ryan, Yes, I do think the map is a huge help. What can we all do to help get it together? What can I do, personally, to help? Just let me know. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428169#428169 br> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List MS - k">http://forums.matronics.com e - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2014
From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: builders map/location
Looks great !=0ACan you use different colors for Building-/ Flying ?=0A -=0AHans=0A-=0ANX15KV=0AWaller, TX =0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, August 7, 2014 3:13 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AHi Terry,=0A =0ANothing needed at the moment, I'll just wait for Jack's updated director y. I'll let you know=0A though.....thanks!=0A=0A-Ryan=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:02 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: 2(at)hotmail.com>=0A>=0A>Ryan,=0A>=0A>Yes, I do think the map is a huge help. What can we all do to help get it together? What can I do, personally, to h elp? Just let me know.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Semper Fi,=0A>=0A>Terry Hand=0A>A thens, GA=0A>=0A>USMC, USMCR, ATP=0A>BVD DVD PDQ BBQ=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Rea d this topic online here:=0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php? p=428169#428169=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>======== ====0A>br>=0A-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Naviga tor?Pietenpol-List=0A>============0A>MS -=0A>k">http: //forums.matronics.com=0A>============0A>e -=0A>- - - - --Matt Dralle, List Admin.=0A>t="_blank">http://www.matroni cs.com/contribution=0A>============0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A ================ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: builders map/location
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Nicely done, Ryan!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location Would something along these lines be of interest to the group? http://bit.ly/pietmap (Just thrown together quick using some of the data from Jack's old spreadsheet) On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Jack Phillips wrote: Didn't Jack Textor put that one together? You're right - it's out of date. All my contact information except my cellphone number has been changed for at least 2 years. Current contact info: Jack Phillips (919) 427-4440 1995 Buccaneer Road Moneta, VA 24121 jack(at)bedfordlandings.com Pietenpol NX899JP "Icarus Plummet", flying for 10 years now (5 trips to Brodhead) Wire Wheels, Straight Axle Long Fuselage A65-8 Continental CloudCars prop -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 7:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location Jon, This may help, but it's not up to date... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 10:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location Hi buddy.... My name is Kenny Crider and I live in Northeast Arkansas about 30 miles west of Jonesboro. in the Small town of Swifton. You would be more than welcome to visit . I have my fuselage mostly built sitting on the split axle type gear with Die spring suspension. at the present I am running control cables to the rear control surfaces and building my break pedals for my small go cart type brakes. I have a few,(about 10, wing ribs made, nothing on the wings or center section built yet. My phone is 870 926-7165... I am attempting to use a Jeep 134 flathead engine which will be similar to a Ford A... If that don't pan out, it will probably be a 65 continental. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428147#428147 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol Directory
Date: Aug 07, 2014
All, I just sent the most current list to those that have shared their info. If you want to be included please fill out the spreadsheet and return directly to me jack(at)textors.com not the Piet list. Thanks! Jack Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2014
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Directory
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
Jack! An addition. Thanks!!! On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Jack wrote: > All, > I just sent the most current list to those that have shared their info. If > you want to be included please fill out the spreadsheet and return directly > to me jack(at)textors.com not the Piet list. > Thanks! > Jack > > Jack Textor > West Des Moines, IA > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: piet map
Date: Aug 08, 2014
YES! This is a super idea Ryan!!! Love it! !! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: seeing the country from a little airplane----off topic
Date: Aug 08, 2014
Exactly why it is so much fun to go cross country in a little airplane. Mike C. http://bit.ly/1nvDCXF ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Piet videos from Robert.
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
1st up, a view from Greg Cardinal's landing gear. The takeoff from Hartford and the landing at the ultralight field in Oshkosh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQD5x1779tA&feature=youtu.be 2nd, a "selfie" of my son Scott doing a quick lap around the patch in Brodhead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScyHwHRZOZE&feature=youtu.be Thanks Robert! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428200#428200 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: seeing the country from a little airplane----off
topic
Date: Aug 08, 2014
Nice video. Lorenzo ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: builders map/location
From: "wheelharp" <wheelharp(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
Wow, thanks everyone for the replies, and offers to view projects or rides in flying Piets! I am still super impressed with how great this group is...I was on here quite a bit years ago, and was amazed at the caliber of people here. In ten years, many familiar names are still here-but there are a lot of new ones too. If anything, the group has gotten better! Anyway, back then I decided I would never be able to build, get my license and raise a family all at once, so I bought a powered parachute and have been flying it ever since....but the urge to build a Pietenpol just won't go away! I have a really nice wood shop, and still have my 3 Corvair engines I acquired all those years ago for my project. When I realized 10 years had passed, I thought of how far I could have been by now. I decided no matter how little progress I might make- I will NEVER get done if I don't start! I am taking my first "official" flying lesson tonight after work, and although I have a very involved project in my shop for the next several months, when that is finished...LOOK OUT! the spruce is gonna fly! -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428202#428202 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: builders map/location
Date: Aug 08, 2014
Way to go, Jon! Keep in mind, there's always room for rib jig.... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of wheelharp Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 7:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location Wow, thanks everyone for the replies, and offers to view projects or rides in flying Piets! I am still super impressed with how great this group is...I was on here quite a bit years ago, and was amazed at the caliber of people here. In ten years, many familiar names are still here-but there are a lot of new ones too. If anything, the group has gotten better! Anyway, back then I decided I would never be able to build, get my license and raise a family all at once, so I bought a powered parachute and have been flying it ever since....but the urge to build a Pietenpol just won't go away! I have a really nice wood shop, and still have my 3 Corvair engines I acquired all those years ago for my project. When I realized 10 years had passed, I thought of how far I could have been by now. I decided no matter how little progress I might make- I will NEVER get done if I don't start! I am taking my first "official" flying lesson tonight after work, and although I have a very involved p! roject in my shop for the next several months, when that is finished...LOOK OUT! the spruce is gonna fly! -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428202#428202 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: builders map/location
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
The GMC motorhome community has what's called the "Black List". A gent with the surname Black started it. GMC motorhomes have a few kinks unique to their design, and all owners know them and how to deal with them. So, the list was designed to help owners, where ever they were in the country. I've been called several times to help a passerby and it works great. The list contained not only location, but capability. Like whether you had and were willing to loan front hub tools, can sponsor a motorhome with or without hookup, etc. We would probably want to know if hangar space is avail. Recovery capabilities. Of course, project/plane ownership and status. Not only good for builders needing info/help, but cross country travelers. I think the trick is a simple thing like a yahoo group or something. An online, free repository. Membership is easily controlled within limits. So the list won't be available to spammers with any effort at all. Isn't like the membership will be so large that it's important. Pretty easy to cull through and update. Database fields are easy to set up and could contain the sort of info we need. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428207#428207 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 08, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: builders map/location
Jon, I was in the same kind of situation for years. I was under the impress ion that flying was for the wealthy and aircraft ownership was for the rich . So, even though I always dreamed of flying, I never acted on it. Years la ter, I was educated on the facts that building, owning and flying my own pl ane were in the realm of possibility for me, so I took immediate action!- That was six years ago. Today, I am putting the final touches on my plane and are currently in flight training. I can't afford to take lessons, but I am making it work. It is a slow process, but I am training when I can affo rd to and moving towards having a license and getting the plane I built fro m scratch in the air.=0A=0AStick with it and before you know it, you'll be at Brodhead telling your building/flying stories to others wanting to do th e same.=0A=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0A Karetaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: builders map/location
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
For grins, just made a yahoo group, pietlist. It's generally open to view, has one member, me. I made a quick database. If anyone is yahoo group savvy, put in a request, I'll approve it, make you a moderator and go from there. Might work, might not, don't cost nothing. Why don't a couple folks go look, report back, make suggestions. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428209#428209 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: builders map/location
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
That's pretty cool Ryan Can you set it so there's more builders closer to me though? -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428210#428210 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 08, 2014
Subject: Re: builders map/location
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Haha....I'll see what I can do. I add you to the queue after Chuck's drone-strike coordinate request... ;-) On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:12 AM, echobravo4 wrote: > > That's pretty cool Ryan > Can you set it so there's more builders closer to me though? > > -------- > Earl Brown > > I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up > where I intended to be. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428210#428210 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: seeing the country from a little airplane----off topic
Date: Aug 08, 2014
Mike That wasnt nothing. It was done in a Pietenpol about 25 tears ago by Gerry Speiss. Only Gerry did it around the whole U.S. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 7:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: seeing the country from a little airplane----off topic Exactly why it is so much fun to go cross country in a little airplane. Mike C. http://bit.ly/1nvDCXF ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Free App - W&B PLUS lots of "what if" analysis
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
All, I decided I wanted to make myself a utility to not only do W&B but also all the "what if" games such as no fuel, full fuel, watch the effect of fuel burn off with and without passengers - etc etc and to see the effects on CG. I also thought it was cool how the Wynn/Mueller articles calculated min and max pilot weights from EWCG. So I built myself a windows application to do all this. The "slider" bars make it very easy and very intuitive to play "what if" scenarios - harder to do in a spreadsheet typing in numbers one at a time. Beside the screen shot, I attached a user guide - it will give you the feel for the apps capability. If you want a copy of the executable, the FAA Weight and Balance handbook, another excel W&B spreadsheet (all in a zip file) contact me off list at my email address rdewenter at woh.rr.com -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428218#428218 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aircraft_weight_and_balance_tool_167.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/aircraftweightandbalancevisualtool_170.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Free App - W&B PLUS lots of "what if" analysis
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
please tell me what your empty cg and weight is and what engine you have.. jim hyde JNL96(at)yahoo.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428221#428221 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 08, 2014
From: Robert Rice <ricekrgr(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Broadhead photo
Ok Tools I just got it. And she likes Mexico... :)=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________ ___________________=0A From: aerocarjake <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: piet enpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 2:59 PM=0ASubject : Pietenpol-List: Re: Broadhead photo=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message p osted by: "aerocarjake" =0A=0AThat's what it's about ...... :-)=0A=0A--------=0AJake Schultz - curator,=0ANewport Way Air Museum - (OK, it's just my home)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428051#428051=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================0A =================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Free App - W&B PLUS lots of "what if" analysis
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
ok i see the empty weight.. where is the LE 14.5 measured from? thanks jim JNL96(at)yahoo.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428223#428223 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: wt and balance
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
does anyone here have wt and balance data on aa piet with a 65 cont on it?? JNL96(at)yahoo.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428224#428224 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Broadhead photo
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
NOW you tell me... Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428225#428225 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Free App - W&B PLUS lots of "what if" analysis
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
Datum is Firewall...read the document I attached to my post. Are you really a high school teacher? Bob Dewenter Dayton OH -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428226#428226 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: seeing the country from a little airplane----off topic
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
Mike, Thanks for posting this excellent Link! I know boats != planes But I have taken yachts from Ohio to Florida and the trip is too cool! Plane or Boat our country is amazing! Bob -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428227#428227 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Free App - W&B PLUS lots of "what if" analysis
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
no i aint a high school teacher so what engine are u using and whats it weight Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428228#428228 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 08, 2014
Subject: Re: Free App - W&B PLUS lots of "what if" analysis
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Bob, this is very cool. I'd be delighted to have a copy of the zip file. One question: any chance that this could be turned into an IPhone app? Being able to do very quick "on the fly" calculations when giving passenger rides would be a great thing. Cheers, Ken On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:23 PM, bdewenter wrote: > > All, > > I decided I wanted to make myself a utility to not only do W&B but also > all the "what if" games such as no fuel, full fuel, watch the effect of > fuel burn off with and without passengers - etc etc and to see the effects > on CG. > > I also thought it was cool how the Wynn/Mueller articles calculated min > and max pilot weights from EWCG. > > So I built myself a windows application to do all this. The "slider" bars > make it very easy and very intuitive to play "what if" scenarios - harder > to do in a spreadsheet typing in numbers one at a time. > > Beside the screen shot, I attached a user guide - it will give you the > feel for the apps capability. If you want a copy of the executable, the > FAA Weight and Balance handbook, another excel W&B spreadsheet (all in a > zip file) contact me off list at my email address rdewenter at woh.rr.com > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428218#428218 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/aircraft_weight_and_balance_tool_167.pdf > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/aircraftweightandbalancevisualtool_170.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wt and balance
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
Jim, If you email Doc Mosher and get his address, you can send him (I think) $10.00 and get the full W&B articles that were done with the W&B info put together by WIlliam Wynne and Ryan Mueller with plenty of information that you can use. The last email I had for Doc Mosher was docshop(at)tds.net, but someone else may have a more accurate one, or may even have his address and can get it to you. The information is well worth the $10.00, and then some. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428230#428230 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wt and balance
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2014
thanks ill try it jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428231#428231 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Free App - W&B PLUS lots of "what if" analysis
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Aug 09, 2014
I'm sure it could be turned into an Iphone / IPad app but I have not done any of that to date. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428234#428234 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Triple Tree Fly-in
From: "gsnewsome" <newfaithkat(at)windstream.net>
Date: Aug 09, 2014
Wife and I are planning on driving up to Woodruff, SC for the Triple Tree fly-in. Any others going? http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428237#428237 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Triple Tree Fly-in
Date: Aug 09, 2014
Weather permitting I'm going to try to get the Pietenpol down there since I didn't make it to Brodhead this year Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gsnewsome Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 11:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Triple Tree Fly-in Wife and I are planning on driving up to Woodruff, SC for the Triple Tree fly-in. Any others going? http://www.tripletreeaerodrome.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428237#428237 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Broadhead photo
From: "gsnewsome" <newfaithkat(at)windstream.net>
Date: Aug 09, 2014
Great picture, but it looks more like a post flight smile than a pre-flight (not sure I want to go) nervous smile... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428245#428245 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Broadhead photo
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 09, 2014
THAT is what takes this smile from great, to epic! It was a pre flight smile. Of course, she's a really sharp gal. No wonder her and Bob live every day as though it's their last. SUPER fun couple. Gotta get Bob up next. Of course, his smile will just be cheesy, rather than charming! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428249#428249 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 09, 2014
From: Robert Rice <ricekrgr(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Broadhead photo
Hey, I heard that! But you are probably right. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: builders map/location
Date: Aug 09, 2014
Ryan, That would be great! How can I add to it and/or update data? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 7, 2014, at 8:23 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > Would something along these lines be of interest to the group? > > http://bit.ly/pietmap > > (Just thrown together quick using some of the data from Jack's old spreads heet) > > >> On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Jack Phillips w rote: >> Didn't Jack Textor put that one together? You're right - it's out of dat e. All my contact information except my cellphone number has been changed f or at least 2 years. >> >> >> >> Current contact info: >> >> >> >> Jack Phillips >> >> (919) 427-4440 >> >> 1995 Buccaneer Road >> >> Moneta, VA 24121 >> >> jack(at)bedfordlandings.com >> >> >> >> Pietenpol NX899JP "Icarus Plummet", flying for 10 years now (5 trips to B rodhead) >> >> Wire Wheels, Straight Axle >> >> Long Fuselage >> >> A65-8 Continental >> >> CloudCars prop >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe >> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 7:00 AM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location >> >> >> >> Jon, >> >> >> >> This may help, but it's not up to date... >> >> >> >> Gary Boothe >> >> NX308MB >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aviken >> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 10:57 PM >> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: builders map/location >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi buddy.... My name is Kenny Crider and I live in Northeast Arkansas ab out >> >> 30 miles west of Jonesboro. in the Small town of Swifton. You would be >> >> more than welcome to visit . I have my fuselage mostly built sitting on >> >> the split axle type gear with Die spring suspension. at the present I a m >> >> running control cables to the rear control surfaces and building my break >> >> pedals for my small go cart type brakes. I have a few,(about 10, wing ri bs >> >> made, nothing on the wings or center section built yet. My phone is >> >> 870 926-7165... I am attempting to use a Jeep 134 flathead engine whi ch >> >> will be similar to a Ford A... If that don't pan out, it will probably be a >> >> 65 continental. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428147#428147 >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Possible Parts Source At A Good Price
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 10, 2014
I was doing my standard Sunday morning coffee drinking and decided to do a little of what I call "Internet Dumpster Diving". I was searching for shop space in my area, and came across this Craigslist Posting. I am attaching the link as well as picture of the ad itself and the contact info. It looks like it might be a good source of nuts bolts, nutplates, and other small parts that you normally have to pay through the nose for. I plan on giving them a call in the morning and placing a small order to see if it is indeed a good source. Take it for what it is worth (or at least the price you paid for it!) Have a great rest of the weekend. I am back to my coffee. http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/tls/4550667659.html -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428263#428263 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/screen_shot_2014_08_10_at_95907_am_183.png http://forums.matronics.com//files/screen_shot_2014_08_10_at_95932_am_193.png ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Michael Cuy's Weight & Balance---please see attachment
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 10, 2014
I found these charts taken from Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators that closely resemble Clif's. -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428286#428286 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_865.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_756.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?SAA_Fly_In_at_Wynkoop_Airport?
From: "=?utf-8?Q?aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com?=" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 11, 2014
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Subject: =?utf-8?Q?RE:_SAA_Fly_In_at_Wynkoop_Airport?
From: "=?utf-8?Q?aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com?=" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 11, 2014
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Subject: Piet Directory
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 11, 2014
Thanks for all the updates, hope to get them processed in the next day or two. Been pretty busy here, thanks! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 11, 2014
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Trade new Aeronca Strut forks (I don't need) for turnbuckles
(I DO need!). The forks are still available......and I still need some turnbuckles! :-) >Wait! Don't order those Aeronca Strut Forks (pn 05-08575) from Aircraft Spruce! > >I have two of them I don't need and I DO need 4 turnbuckles. AN130-8S or AN130-16S would be fine. (The small ones that would be ok for the tail section cables.) > >Let me know offline if anyone has a need for the forks and would like to trade.... > > >Thanks! > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Piet Directory
Date: Aug 11, 2014
Jack, Ray Krause here: SkyScout under construction; A-65 overhauled and run, wings, tail, fuselage complete, ready for rigging and main strut construction, then covering this fall. All else is up to date. Thanks, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Aug 11, 2014, at 5:33 AM, Jack wrote: > > > Thanks for all the updates, hope to get them processed in the next day or two. Been pretty busy here, thanks! > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Trade new Aeronca Strut forks (I don't need) for
turnbuckles (I DO need!).
Date: Aug 11, 2014
Jim, You were one week late in your posting! Just received two from ACS for $89.00 each, had two older ones that look perfect. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > > > The forks are still available......and I still need some turnbuckles! :-) > > >> Wait! Don't order those Aeronca Strut Forks (pn 05-08575) from Aircraft Spruce! >> >> I have two of them I don't need and I DO need 4 turnbuckles. AN130-8S or AN130-16S would be fine. (The small ones that would be ok for the tail section cables.) >> >> Let me know offline if anyone has a need for the forks and would like to trade.... >> >> >> Thanks! > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: SAA Fly In at Wynkoop Airport
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Aug 11, 2014
You might want to contact Ed Fisher and check on that. Last I heard it was canceled. Low attendance and low membership. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428303#428303 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 11, 2014
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SAA Fly In at Wynkoop Airport
emailed the person organizing it this year.- It is still on for Friday Sa turday.- Yes SAA is Disolved, but fly in is still on.=0AShad =0A=0A=0AOn Monday, August 11, 2014 12:33 PM, Pietflyer1977 wrote: oinoff.com>=0A=0AYou might want to contact Ed Fisher and check on that. Las t I heard it was canceled. Low attendance and low membership.=0A=0A=0A=0A =0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic. - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Adm ===== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 11, 2014
Subject: Pietenpol Builders & Enthusiasts Map
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Well, I discovered you can't update bit.ly links, so I went ahead and parked the map updated from Jack's latest directory at this address, which is where any further updates will be found: http://www.piet.link/ It's very basic at the moment, both in design and information. I'll flesh it out a bit, but I just wanted to get the map available for right now. As this is very public, I am just using info that would be easily accessible via a web search: name, and city/state/zip/country. I'll be playing with some different ideas down the road, but this is where it stands for the moment. Thanks, -Ryan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wing Kits
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 11, 2014
Some time ago you guys were talking about a person who built wing kits. I have been trying to remember, but my 62 year old brain will not pull the name out. The person builds wing kits for the Air Camper and other planes as well. If any of you younger guys can remember I appreciate it. Mike -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428313#428313 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing Kits
From: Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Aug 11, 2014
Mike, Are you talking about a set of wing ribs? I am not sure what you mean by a wing kit. If its wing ribs your after, Edgar Howe in Portage Indiana has sets for sale. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso In NX478RS Sent from my iPad On Aug 11, 2014, at 5:53 PM, "biplan53" wrote: > > Some time ago you guys were talking about a person who built wing kits. I have been trying to remember, but my 62 year old brain will not pull the name out. The person builds wing kits for the Air Camper and other planes as well. If any of you younger guys can remember I appreciate it. Mike > > -------- > Building steel fuselage aircamper. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428313#428313 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: Wing Kits
Date: Aug 11, 2014
Aircraft Spruce sells wood parts kits for wings=2C tail pieces=2C and fusel age. They are complete and good quality. Lorenzo ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing Kits
From: "DonkDoug" <douglas.wright(at)okstate.edu>
Date: Aug 11, 2014
All, There was a vendor at Oshkosh several years ago, probably about 2007 or 2008, that was selling cnc cut parts for several airframes. If I remember correctly the Piet was one of them. I don't remember the name of the company and have not seen them since. Doug Wright Stillwater, OK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428324#428324 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2014
Subject: Re: Wing Kits
From: Robert Gow <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
I just got a wing kit from Aircraft Spruce. Good qualIty. I also have an extra set of ribs if you are interested. Original Message From: biplan53 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 18:56 Reply To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Kits Some time ago you guys were talking about a person who built wing kits. I have been trying to remember, but my 62 year old brain will not pull the name out. The person builds wing kits for the Air Camper and other planes as well. If any of you younger guys can remember I appreciate it. Mike -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428313#428313 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol Builders & Enthusiasts Map
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 12, 2014
Thanks Ryan! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428353#428353 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2014
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Found the turnbuckles!
The turnbuckles I needed are in the mail on the way to me! Thanks all for your responses! This is a great group.... Jim in Northeastern Oklahoma...where ALL internet and phone service was interrupted yesterday because a bonehead decided to use a backhoe to bury a couple dead goats and cut a MAJOR 2" fiber line....I LOVE living in the country! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Jury Strut Installation Kit For Sale
I have the Jury Strut Installation Kit from Carlson Aircraft that I will not be using. This particular kit is for those whom have the small Carlson wing struts both front and rear. This kit is brand new and includes the nice instruction book. If anyone has the small wing struts and is considering the Carlson jurys, this is the install kit you want. Send me an email if interested. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2014
Subject: Re: Piet Directory
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Jack, sorry, I have been inattentive to the list this week. Steve Dortch, 8T8, San Geronimo (near San Antonio) Pietenpol Air Camper (with Grega Mods, Really) being restored, A65, Finishing wing paint and will begin final assembly soon. Thanks for doing this. Blue Skies, Steve D On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Jack wrote: > > Thanks for all the updates, hope to get them processed in the next day or > two. Been pretty busy here, thanks! > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet Directory
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Aug 12, 2014
If you include my information, I will be like Steve Martin in "The Jerk" "The phone book is here! The phone book is Here!" Building a pietenpol, fuselage nearly complete a few wing ribs built. Planing on using a Jeep 134 flathead engine. Live in Swifton Arkansas(Home town of George Kell , hall of fame 3rd baseman for the Detroit tigers) email aviken(at)windstream.net. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428386#428386 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Building Wing Ribs
From: "Lorenzo" <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Date: Aug 13, 2014
I'm just about to finish up building all my wing ribs. I've accomplished the FAA goal of learning a lot while doing this. Here are a few observations for those who have not yet reached this milepost: I steamed, rather than soaked, my capstrips for bending. While many have used the soaking technique with success, my woodworking background makes me uncomfortable soaking already dry wood. The heat, not the moisture is what allows the easy bending of the strip. I already had a steam box (3/4 ply, 8x8x36) from another old project. You could easily make your own & hook up the steam from a kettle and hotplate. One end of the box was closed, and the other sealed with a towel while the strips were steaming for about 30 min. Somewhere in the 'instructions' I recall reading of the 'buggy whip' test. I have used this test with good results. Grab one end of a long, properly dimensioned capstrip and whip it violently once or twice. I found that about 1/3 of the strips would snap off in my hand. I cut these shattered pieces up later for use as the shorter cross bracing. The stout pieces that passed the test were the ones I used for the long, outer capstrips of my ribs. I used the 2-inch hole saw technique for cutting all the gussets. A cheap set of hardware store metal hand shears is all that is needed for cutting them all to final size and shape. The handiest tool I bought for the Piet project has been a Harbor Freight 12-inch benchtop disc sander. The heavy cast-iron plate and med-grit paper makes short work of getting a precise final fit to all those capstrip cross braces (fuselage pieces, too). I cut the bending/drying jig to the same profile as the finished rib upper surface. When removing the steamed capstrips from the jig after drying overnight, there was a small bit of springback that did not worry me. I found a few cases where the dried capstrip had broken at the severest part of the curve during drying. In some other cases, the strip broke when bending it into my assembly jig, in spite of the steaming and pre-bending. Not to worry. These became more short cross-bracing. In one case, after steaming, drying, and assembly of the rib, I found the capstrip split at the severest curve the next morning after the T-88 had cured. I did a T-88 repair on this part since it will be under that 9-inch gusset the length of the leading edge. Maybe others will chime in this threadwith good techniques of their own. Lorenzo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428403#428403 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0639sm_145.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0638sm_290.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Building Wing Ribs
Date: Aug 13, 2014
Nice write-up, Lorenzo. You might find yourself in demand at Brodhead to teach a rib-building class. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lorenzo Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 1:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs I'm just about to finish up building all my wing ribs. I've accomplished the FAA goal of learning a lot while doing this. Here are a few observations for those who have not yet reached this milepost: I steamed, rather than soaked, my capstrips for bending. While many have used the soaking technique with success, my woodworking background makes me uncomfortable soaking already dry wood. The heat, not the moisture is what allows the easy bending of the strip. I already had a steam box (3/4 ply, 8x8x36) from another old project. You could easily make your own & hook up the steam from a kettle and hotplate. One end of the box was closed, and the other sealed with a towel while the strips were steaming for about 30 min. Somewhere in the 'instructions' I recall reading of the 'buggy whip' test. I have used this test with good results. Grab one end of a long, properly dimensioned capstrip and whip it violently once or twice. I found that about 1/3 of the strips would snap off in my hand. I cut these shattered pieces up later for use as the shorter cross bracing. The stout pieces that passed the test were the ones I used for the long, outer capstrips of my ribs. I used the 2-inch hole saw technique for cutting all the gussets. A cheap set of hardware store metal hand shears is all that is needed for cutting them all to final size and shape. The handiest tool I bought for the Piet project has been a Harbor Freight 12-inch benchtop disc sander. The heavy cast-iron plate and med-grit paper makes short work of getting a precise final fit to all those capstrip cross braces (fuselage pieces, too). I cut the bending/drying jig to the same profile as the finished rib upper surface. When removing the steamed capstrips from the jig after drying overnight, there was a small bit of springback that did not worry me. I found a few cases where the dried capstrip had broken at the severest part of the curve during drying. In some other cases, the strip broke when bending it into my assembly jig, in spite of the steaming and pre-bending. Not to worry. These became more short cross-bracing. In one case, after steaming, drying, and assembly of the rib, I found the capstrip split at the severest curve the next morning after the T-88 had cured. I did a T-88 repair on this part since it will be under that 9-inch gusset the length of the leading edge. Maybe others will chime in this threadwith good techniques of their own. Lorenzo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428403#428403 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0639sm_145.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0638sm_290.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: Building Wing Ribs
Date: Aug 13, 2014
Oops. :) LH > From: jack(at)bedfordlandings.com > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs > Date: Wed=2C 13 Aug 2014 14:03:43 -0400 > gs.com> > > Nice write-up=2C Lorenzo. You might find yourself in demand at Brodhead to > teach a rib-building class. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: Building Wing Ribs
Date: Aug 13, 2014
I'm trying to keep pace with Kenny Crider to get my Piet finished and flyin g by next summer. I think it is still a reasonable goal. But I don't know i f I will have the hours flown off by the time Brodhead rolls around. Coolba ugh was a wizard this year. I certainly want to attend=2C and I don't mind participating in any way which would be helpful=2C but I would hate to show up for my first appearance and present myself as the expert on anything Pi et related. LH > From: jack(at)bedfordlandings.com > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs > Date: Wed=2C 13 Aug 2014 14:03:43 -0400 > gs.com> > > Nice write-up=2C Lorenzo. You might find yourself in demand at Brodhead to > teach a rib-building class. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Building Wing Ribs
Date: Aug 13, 2014
It typically takes between 1800 and 2500 hours of work to build a Pietenpol. When I built mine, I kept a detailed log and put a total of 2,465 hours into the build. I was working at a full time job and found that I could realistically put in about 10 hours a week on the Pietenpol - a couple hours a night Monday through Thursday, and then another couple hours sometime during the weekend. At such a pace, it takes between 3 and 7 years (it took me 8 years, but for a 2 year stretch while I was designing and building my house, I did no work at all on the airplane) to build one. If you can work full time on the airplane (40+ hours a week), building it in a year or so is a possibility. Don't be in a big hurry to finish it. The building process is highly enjoyable. As the saying goes, take time to "Stop and smell the Sawdust". Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of larharris2 Harris Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 5:46 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs I'm trying to keep pace with Kenny Crider to get my Piet finished and flying by next summer. I think it is still a reasonable goal. But I don't know if I will have the hours flown off by the time Brodhead rolls around. Coolbaugh was a wizard this year. I certainly want to attend, and I don't mind participating in any way which would be helpful, but I would hate to show up for my first appearance and present myself as the expert on anything Piet related. LH > From: jack(at)bedfordlandings.com > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:03:43 -0400 > > > Nice write-up, Lorenzo. You might find yourself in demand at Brodhead to > teach a rib-building class. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: Building Wing Ribs
Date: Aug 13, 2014
You are correct about the building being enjoyable. I do very much enjoy it . If I wanted something to fly right now=2C it would be best (and probably cheaper) to just buy something - maybe a flying Piet=2C an Aeronca=2C or Cu b. But I am already anxious to see this project fly. When I'm done I will p robably start on another plane - perhaps an RV to actually go somewhere. In the meantime=2C the Piet is a pleasure=2C and I'm sure it will be a pleasu re to fly. My local airport has never seen anything like it. I'm targeting about 1000 hours of total build time. Actual shop time. I don 't count all those hours reading Uncle Tony's books & widow shopping throug h the Aircraft Spruce catalog. I try to do something every day. Weekends ar e where I can really get involved. Since starting in Feb of this year=2C I' ve got the tail pieces and fuselage done. I should have the wings done in a nother month. Another month to get all the fittings=2C landing gear=2C and assembly done. Engine installation and fabric over the winter. Flying by ea rly summer next year. Maybe optimistic=2C but we'll see. Lorenzo From: jack(at)bedfordlandings.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs Date: Wed=2C 13 Aug 2014 17:56:25 -0400 =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A It typically takes between 1800 and 2500=0A hours of work to build a Pietenpol. When I built mine=2C I kept a detailed =0A log and put a total of 2=2C465 hours into the build. I was working at a=0A full time job and found that I could realistically put in about 10 hours a week=0A on the Pietenpol ' a couple hours a night Monday through Thursday=2C and =0A then another couple hours sometime during the weekend. At such a pace=2C i t=0A takes between 3 and 7 years (it took me 8 years=2C but for a 2 year stretch while=0A I was designing and building my house=2C I did no work at all on the airpla ne) to=0A build one. If you can work full time on the airplane (40+ hours a week)=2C =0A building it in a year or so is a possibility.=0A =0A =0A =0A Don=92t be in a big hurry to finish=0A it. The building process is highly enjoyable. As the saying goes=2C=0A take time to =93Stop and smell the Sawdust=94.=0A =0A =0A =0A Jack Phillips=0A =0A NX899JP=0A =0A Smith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 13, 2014
Lorenzo,=0A=0A=0AYou certainly would be more than welcome, and v ery much appreciated as a presenter at a Brodhead forum in this regard. You have legitimately conceived, proven, and finish ed a full phase of the build. Everyone, I am sure, would be grateful and appreciative. =0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A =0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: larharris2 Harris <larharris2@m sn.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Wed, Aug 13, 2014 4:47 pm=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building Win g Ribs=0A=0A=0A=0AI'm trying to keep pace with Kenny Crider to get my Piet finished and flying by next summer. I think it is still a reasonable goal. But I don't know if I wil l have the hours flown off by the time Brodhead rolls arou nd. Coolbaugh was a wizard this year. I certainly want to attend, and I don't mind participating in any way which woul d be helpful, but I would hate to show up for my first appearance and present myself as the expert on anything Piet related.=0A =0ALH=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A> From: jack(at)bedfordlandings.com=0A> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: B uilding Wing Ribs=0A> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:03:43 -0400=0A jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>=0A> =0A> Nice write-up, Lorenzo. You mi ght find yourself in demand at Brodhead to=0A> teach a rib-b =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== ==================0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 13, 2014
Very nice Lorenzo! I agree on the sander, the best tool purchased for my pro ject... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Aug 13, 2014, at 6:30 PM, larharris2 Harris wrote: > > You are correct about the building being enjoyable. I do very much enjoy i t. If I wanted something to fly right now, it would be best (and probably ch eaper) to just buy something - maybe a flying Piet, an Aeronca, or Cub. But I am already anxious to see this project fly. When I'm done I will probably s tart on another plane - perhaps an RV to actually go somewhere. In the meant ime, the Piet is a pleasure, and I'm sure it will be a pleasure to fly. My l ocal airport has never seen anything like it. > > I'm targeting about 1000 hours of total build time. Actual shop time. I do n't count all those hours reading Uncle Tony's books & widow shopping throug h the Aircraft Spruce catalog. I try to do something every day. Weekends are where I can really get involved. Since starting in Feb of this year, I've g ot the tail pieces and fuselage done. I should have the wings done in anothe r month. Another month to get all the fittings, landing gear, and assembly d one. Engine installation and fabric over the winter. Flying by early summer n ext year. Maybe optimistic, but we'll see. > > Lorenzo > > > > From: jack(at)bedfordlandings.com > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:56:25 -0400 > > It typically takes between 1800 and 2500 hours of work to build a Pietenpo l. When I built mine, I kept a detailed log and put a total of 2,465 hours i nto the build. I was working at a full time job and found that I could real istically put in about 10 hours a week on the Pietenpol =93 a couple h ours a night Monday through Thursday, and then another couple hours sometime during the weekend. At such a pace, it takes between 3 and 7 years (it too k me 8 years, but for a 2 year stretch while I was designing and building my house, I did no work at all on the airplane) to build one. If you can work full time on the airplane (40+ hours a week), building it in a year or so i s a possibility. > > > > Don=99t be in a big hurry to finish it. The building process is hig hly enjoyable. As the saying goes, take time to =9CStop and smell the Sawdust=9D. > > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Carb choice for ford
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Aug 13, 2014
I need a little advice here.. In choosing a possible carb for my Jeep engine powered piet, I tried a universal four cyl carb made years ago for tractors fork lifts ect. It was brand new in the box, but it was very heavy and bulky. Then I did a little research and it seemed some ford powered piets use the Tillotson X Carb. So I bought one of them. It is small and light but what concerns me is the small flimsy throttle arm. It seems like a very weak link to risk your life on a piece of pot metal not much thicker than a kitchen match with a little ball end to attatch your cable to. What other options should I look at? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428417#428417 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing Kits
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 13, 2014
How did you come up with an extra set of ribs? I am building a steel fuselage too. I copied Aerojake and I am putting a door in the front seat. Have not figured out the hinge yet. Also added about 7inches to the front seat area. I have a wooden fuselage at the shop I am going to build the steel gear and brackets for. If my friend puts the engine he wants on it, it will be something neat. He wants to put a Donavan Model D engine in it. The model D is a copy of a model A that is made to race engine specs. It is made of aluminum with a chevy 350 bearings and billet crank, forged rods and pistons. The ports are fashioned on 350 ports. It is expensive but still cheaper than a new plane engine. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428419#428419 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2014
Subject: Re: Wing Kits
From: Robert Gow <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
I bought a project that came with a set of ribs. I had previously purchased a set of ribs from a person who was building them to order. Original Message From: biplan53 Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 02:20 Reply To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Kits How did you come up with an extra set of ribs? I am building a steel fuselage too. I copied Aerojake and I am putting a door in the front seat. Have not figured out the hinge yet. Also added about 7inches to the front seat area. I have a wooden fuselage at the shop I am going to build the steel gear and brackets for. If my friend puts the engine he wants on it, it will be something neat. He wants to put a Donavan Model D engine in it. The model D is a copy of a model A that is made to race engine specs. It is made of aluminum with a chevy 350 bearings and billet crank, forged rods and pistons. The ports are fashioned on 350 ports. It is expensive but still cheaper than a new plane engine. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428419#428419 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 14, 2014
> In one case, after steaming, drying, and assembly of the rib, I found the capstrip split at the severest curve the next morning after the T-88 had cured. I did a T-88 repair on this part since it will be under that 9-inch gusset the length of the leading edge. Do not remember the Piet rib having a "Sever Curve" ... ? All my top cap strips, 1/4" x 1/2" stika spruce, were steamed on a jig that over curved the radii to allow for flex back giving them the correct curvature Never had one brake as you posted in your pictures. It also looks like you have more of a radius then the Piet rib in the drawings ? I have also tried "Dry Heat" does not work without the moisture from the water in the steam to help soften the wood fibers making the wood flexable. BTW, I have built Piper J-3 ribs from 1/4" x 1/4" stika spruce without steaming them, no issue with any braking. Curious issues you are having. WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428424#428424 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
When I made my ribs, I just soaked the finished cap strip in water for abou t 30-40 min. They went directly on to the pre-bend jig, which was made with an over bend to account for the spring back...as already mentioned. Once d ry, the cap strip slipped nicely into the rib jig without having to bend or force them into it. I did not have any breaking and in fact, the couple pi eces I "stress tested" bent quite a bit before splitting.- sounds like yo ur wood was still too dry after steaming and being placed in the pre-bend j ig. (?)=0A=0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKareta ker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Carb choice for ford
An option would be to fabricate one to fit, or have one made. The stress on the arm itself at the carburetor is minimal. The arm should move smooth and free. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 14, 2014
Lorenzo, Are you using the Pietenpol airfoil or the Riblett? I had some minor, but not near as severe as your pictures show, cracking issues when steaming my capstrips. The upper capstrip on the Riblett appears to have more of a curve to it. I found that steaming mine, then IMMEDIATELY putting them in the rib jig worked the best. Any more than about 10 seconds or so and the capstrips didno't seem to want to bend as easily. In that case, I would stick them back in the stream for a bit. I never did the "fishing pole casting" test, but I did not having a lot of cracking issues, so I am happy with the outcome. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428427#428427 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2610_202.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2629_145.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2014
From: Yahoo! Account Service <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Carb choice for ford
If you like the Tillotaon X maybe you could make a new throttle arm. Skip -----Original Message----- >From: aviken <aviken(at)windstream.net> >Sent: Aug 13, 2014 9:25 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb choice for ford > > >I need a little advice here.. In choosing a possible carb for my Jeep engine powered piet, I tried a universal four cyl carb made years ago for tractors fork lifts ect. It was brand new in the box, but it was very heavy and bulky. Then I did a little research and it seemed some ford powered piets use the Tillotson X Carb. So I bought one of them. It is small and light but what concerns me is the small flimsy throttle arm. It seems like a very weak link to risk your life on a piece of pot metal not much thicker than a kitchen match with a little ball end to attatch your cable to. What other options should I look at? > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428417#428417 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
Date: Aug 14, 2014
"Severe curve" was just to try to describe the location. There really isn't a severe curve=2C but my issues were where the rib had the 'most' curve=2C on top at the front of the rib. I bought Pietenpol's full size rib drawing. All my layouts are traced direc tly from this drawing. I did not crosscheck the dimensions with the regular plans drawing. If I had it all to do over again=2C I would do as you describe. I would bui ld my bending jig with a greater curve than the finished rib to allow for a bit of springback. Perhaps I just got a batch of exceptionally brittle spruce ?? Perhaps I sh ould give the strips some more time in the steamer? I reckon it is all part of the learning/building process. Lorenzo > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs > From: Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com > Date: Thu=2C 14 Aug 2014 04:25:04 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > > > Do not remember the Piet rib having a "Sever Curve" ... ? All my top cap strips=2C 1/4" x 1/2" stika spruce=2C were steamed on a jig that over curve d the radii to allow for flex back giving them the correct curvature > > Never had one brake as you posted in your pictures. It also looks like yo u have more of a radius then the Piet rib in the drawings ? > > I have also tried "Dry Heat" does not work without the moisture from the water in the steam to help soften the wood fibers making the wood flexable. > > BTW=2C I have built Piper J-3 ribs from 1/4" x 1/4" stika spruce without steaming them=2C no issue with any braking. > > Curious issues you are having. > > WF2 > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Carb choice for ford
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 14, 2014
When you make one of these, you might consider using an exposed head with provision for a safety wire... Just my $.02 -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428430#428430 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 14, 2014
Lorenzo, I would let mine steam for at least 45-50 minutes, and usually it was fine. I am guessing that I could have pulled them out well before then, but it certainly did not hurt anything. I like your rib jig, by the way. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428431#428431 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: tillotson carb
Date: Aug 14, 2014
You're right, the Tillotsen was frequently used in the earlier days on both Fords and corvairs. They're not used much these days on either. I am not personally familiar with the carb, but would definitely find a way to replace the flimsy arm if it bothers you. believe me, if it bothers you now? It'll REALLY bother you on climbout over trees at 400' with someone's kid in the front seat. I had a lot of luck with a weber on my ford installation. Most guys successfully flying fords these days seem to be using a ford carb. Good luck on this fascinating project! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 14, 2014
Wood fibers can be crushed, they CANNOT be stretched. So, steaming or boiling helps to loosen up the wood cells. Bending effectively is then a matter of making sure you are crushing cells, not trying to stretch them. When you hold a piece of wood freehand and bend it, in theory, the outer half of the wood is in tension, the middle neutral, and the inner half in compression. So to steam bend wood effectively and repeatably, you need to force ALL of the wood into compression. Something as simple as nylon packing tape along the outside radius, will (help) prevent any stretching there, and will effectively force all of the wood into compression and it will bend A LOT, EVERY time. Commercial wood bending jigs bend 1" and thicker chair backs like they're nothing. They will capture the piece of wood in a jig. The backbone being some flexible steel, end pieces welded or bolted to it. Then, the steel doesn't stretch, the end pieces force the wood into compression. With stuff as small as ours, the packing tape is cheap insurance. Needs to be really well adhered though, so wrapped over the ends. In the case of some ribs breaking and some not... when it's just free bent, it's a matter of whether or not the outer fibers are strong enough to create this condition themselves. Since they cannot stretch, if they reach their tensile strength before the wood bends enough, they merely fail. The steaming helps to keep the cells pliable, so when they crush, they don't fail completely, but rather deform. The trick is to condition them enough so they'll experience plastic deformation of a sort. It IS the moisture that does this. Warm moisture is better. Steaming is more effective than boiling, but I don't think boiling is really any problem at all. Tage Frid has written some really good articles on wood bending, probably available online these days. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428455#428455 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 14, 2014
Professor Tools, Good description and easy to understand. You taught me something today. Thank you for that. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428456#428456 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Weston <smikewest(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Carb choice for ford
Date: Aug 14, 2014
hi kenny,mike w.here, just send me the arm and i'll make you a stronger one out of billet. happy to help. mike weston. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: tillotson carb
Date: Aug 14, 2014
Anyone ever thought of using an Aerocarb/Aeroinjector? Pretty simple...not prone to icing. Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio From: douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: tillotson carb Date: Thu=2C 14 Aug 2014 08:57:06 -0400 You=92re right=2C the Tillotsen was frequently used in the earlier days on both Fords and corvairs. They=92re not used much these days on either. I am not personally familiar with the carb=2C but would definitely find a wa y to replace the flimsy arm if it bothers you. believe me=2C if it bothers you now? It=92ll REALLY bother you on climbout over trees at 400=92 with someone=92s kid in the front seat. I had a lot of luck with a weber on my f ord installation. Most guys successfully flying fords these days seem to b e using a ford carb. Good luck on this fascinating project! Douwe=0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: tillotson carb
Date: Aug 14, 2014
I bacame intimately familiar with a Tillotson X on the way to Brodhead this year when one of the three Pietenpols I was flying with made a deadstick l anding in a farm field due to the float valve seat loosening up and starvin g the engine of fuel. The Tillotson X is lightweight and simple but there is no provision to safe ty the float valve seat. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 7:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: tillotson carb You're right, the Tillotsen was frequently used in the earlier days on bo th Fords and corvairs. They're not used much these days on either. I am not personally familiar with the carb, but would definitely find a w ay to replace the flimsy arm if it bothers you. believe me, if it bothers you now? It'll REALLY bother you on climbout over trees at 400' with someo ne's kid in the front seat. I had a lot of luck with a weber on my ford installation. Most guys succ essfully flying fords these days seem to be using a ford carb. Good luck on this fascinating project! Douwe --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protec tion is active. http://www.avast.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Carb choice for ford
Date: Aug 14, 2014
Now that is a very nice gesture. I admired the one in the photo (I assume you sent it) because I really love to see such works of art. I have a dear friend who makes such things for me and my planes, it is a great talent and very much appreciated. I have shown him some of my problems as they come along and he just says, "let me think about that and get back to you". In a few days he has solved my problem with an "adaptor", or a new way of doing the project. He machined an aluminum adaptor between my tach and the tach cable that is both ingenious and beautiful. I wish I had a picture of it to show you, but it is now hidden behind the panel. It should be displayed in a crystal box! This group is really great! Thanks, Ray Krause Plugging away at the SkyScout and checked out anew in our restored Champ. Have not flown one in thirty years, what a hoot. My seventeen year old grandson is really excited because he took it off and landed it all by himself yesterday! Sent from my iPad > On Aug 14, 2014, at 2:09 PM, Michael Weston wrote: > > > hi kenny,mike w.here, just send me the arm and i'll make you a stronger one out of billet. happy to help. mike weston. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: tillotson carb
Date: Aug 14, 2014
And they have an adaptor for the small Continentals, it costs only $365.00! I t does not need carb heat on the cowled Sonex aircraft, but not sure about o n a non-pressure cowled Continental. I have not yet found anyone who has use d one, but Sonex says it has been done successfully several times. I might d o so on my SkyScout, but the engine came with an Stromberg NS-3B that works o n the engine and it runs great! If I need an overhaul on the Stromberg, I w ill probably change to an Aeroinjector, it works great on my Jabiru 3300/Wai ex. Ray Krause Building SkyScout with A-65,already overhauled and successfully run. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 14, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Doug wrote: > > Anyone ever thought of using an Aerocarb/Aeroinjector? Pretty simple...no t prone to icing. > > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > > From: douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: tillotson carb > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:57:06 -0400 > > You=99re right, the Tillotsen was frequently used in the earlier day s on both Fords and corvairs. They=99re not used much these days on e ither. > > > > I am not personally familiar with the carb, but would definitely find a wa y to replace the flimsy arm if it bothers you. believe me, if it bothers yo u now? It=99ll REALLY bother you on climbout over trees at 400=99 with someone=99s kid in the front seat. > > > > I had a lot of luck with a weber on my ford installation. Most guys succe ssfully flying fords these days seem to be using a ford carb. > > > > Good luck on this fascinating project! > > > Douwe > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wing Kits
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 14, 2014
How much do you want for the ribs? You can email me at biplan53(at)hotmail.com. Thanks!! -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428476#428476 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: tillotson carb
Ray, if you decide to off load your NS3-B Stromberg, I'd would be intereste d in it. I'll need one for my other A-65 when I finish the overhaul on it s omeday.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKar etaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2014
I've built some ribs using western cedar* without soaking or steaming. They've been hanging on the wall for years with no ill effects. So, as usual, it all depends. Probably as much as anything, would be the moisture content of the wood at the time of bending and what environment the wood lives in afterwards. I have a feeling most airplane wood goes from indoor MC to outdoor MC which isn't gonna stress it as much as outdoor wood going indoors. Also, the grain orientation will matter. Whether the cap strip is quarter, rift or plain sawn. I don't know the technical answer off the top of my head, but I've had the best results with plain sawn wood. *western cedar is both lighter and weaker than spruce, but plenty strong for wing ribs. I've found where it's been used in a number of home builts over the years for weight and cost savings. It behaves quite well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428483#428483 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
Tools, I am not quite sure I follow your explanation. The first sentence: --"Wood fibers can be crushed, they CANNOT be stretched."=0AThen Later" Something as simple as nylon packing tape along the outside radius, will (h elp) prevent any stretching there,..."If God is your co-pilot, switch seats =0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Jury Strut Kit Pictures
Crew, I have been asked about the Jury Strut Kit from Carlson Aircraft and decided to post some pictures of it. It seems to be a very nice kit and the instructions are easy to read. Most all parts are cut to size and bagged/l abeled clearly.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Per ez=0AKaretakerAero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: Building Wing Ribs
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Mike=2C Tools is correct. Even with all the soaking and steaming=2C you can only get=2C at best=2C a 2-percent stretch from wood. Some wood=2C not all . This means that if you try to stretch it=2C it WILL fail. But the soaking and steaming can make it a bit squishy in compression (Tools' term 'crushe d' implies failure. We're not looking for failure=2C just compression.)=2C and it will take a permanent set when the heat/steam/moisture is removed. When you bend a stick=2C the neutral axis is along the center. The outer ha lf is in tension=2C and the inner half is in compression. Make too much ten sion - failure. Exactly what the photos of my failed capstrips show. The te chnique Tools presented was to connect another strong=2C rigid material to the outside of the bending wood=2C before it is bent=2C to move the neutral axis all the way to the outside of the bend=2C thus putting all the load o n your bent piece of wood into compression. This technique has been used by furniture makers for centuries. Lorenzo Date: Fri=2C 15 Aug 2014 05:16:26 -0700 From: speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs Tools=2C I am not quite sure I follow your explanation. The first sentence: "Wood fibers can be crushed=2C they CANNOT be stretched."Then Later"Somet hing as simple as nylon packing tape along the outside radius=2C will (help ) prevent any stretching there=2C..." If God is your co-pilot=2C switch sea tsMike=0A PerezKaretaker AeroJury Strut Fabrication/Installation =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Hey Mike, not the most intuitive thing... let me try to explain. First, does the explanation about when you "free bend", meaning just hang onto a piece of wood and bend it, that the outside half of the wood is in tension, the middle of the wood is neutral, and the inside is in compression? This is a basic force diagram sort of thing for a beam across a span sort of situation. To give a better verbalized pictorial, assume the beam is being held on the ends, in the middle. As in they taper to a point and are being supported by those points, near the center of the beam. As the beam bends from gravity (or a load), the outside radius is in tension. The beam is trying to stretch. The middle sees no compression or tension, only bending. The inside of the radius sees compression, the force resisting bending is that the beam resists getting compressed. If you support that beam at the bottom, as in just set it on the wall, the beam is (sort of...) forced into resisting bending ONLY due to compressive forces. If you bolt a little tab onto the beam's upper surface, and support it from there (as in hang it down between the walls), the beam resists bending due to tensile forces. It trys to stretch, but beams don't stretch usually... In all cases, the force is the least at the point of support, and gets bigger the further away from the support you go. In the case of wood cells, they simply cannot stretch, at all. They can resist stretching until the point of failure, but they won't get longer, it will just fail. Natural fiber rope is safer because it doesn't stretch before failure, similar to wood fibers. Synthetic ropes will stretch before failing and can be lethal on ships. Crop dusters would rather hit aluminum lines (power lines) because they just fail, they don't stretch like old phone (copper) lines do. Wood cells can crush. If they're dry enough, they just break. If they're pliable enough, they sort of just squish, the cell wall stays in tact. That's why dry wood doesn't bend as well as wet wood. This is relative, ALL wood is wet to some degree. Dry rot is a fungus, and has nothing to do with dry, by the way... So.... to bend wood effectively, we need to make sure when we bend it, we support the wood at the outside of the radius. If you take a piece of metal pallet strapping, longer than the piece we're going to bend, and put "end stops" on it, VERY well attached so they cannot slip along the metal strapping, spaced apart the SAME size as the blank of wood we're going to bend (so you can't use random length pieces and cut them to size later, you can cut to size later, but all the blanks used in this jig HAVE to be the same size for it to work, needs to fit snug), we have an effective wood bending jig. Put the wood in it (steamed, boiled, wet off the tree, just not super dry - certainly not 8 percent out of the kiln and left indoors in a dry environment) and bend. Those end stops will FORCE the entire wood bending action into compression, thusly making it work. If the wood fails, it won't fail along the outside of the radius like in the above photos, it may experience a compression fracture, see my post about fixing a horiz stab a few months ago, and you'll see that on the INSIDE of the radius. That would indicate the wood is too dry to bend. Strapping tape basically doesn't stretch, and the bends and wood we're talking about aren't very varsity, so will HELP to force the wood into compression, taking strain off the outside wood itself, and will aid the process. Uh... does this help or just muddy up the waters? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428490#428490 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Aerocarb on Ford
Date: Aug 15, 2014
I tried an Aerocarb on my Ford installation. I tested it with the Aerocarb and a Weber. It's been a few years so my memory of the details aren't crystal clear. I actually had the Aerocarb on the plane for its first and only flight with the Ford. On the stand, the carb seemed to work well and I liked how simple it was, and very nicely made. I had zero trouble with slide sticking. The starting process had to be a bit different due to the nature of the design, but once a process was figured out it was fine. It just starts to drip the moment the fuel is on, so that becomes part of the starting procedure. I probably ran it about five hours on the test stand with the aerocarb and about the same with the weber. I seem to remember the weber being a bit smoother, but that makes total sense considering the design. It seemed that it would be very hard to make an aerocarb stop feeding fuel to an engine. I think it is well worth experimenting with. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2014
By the way, I didn't figure ANY of this out... I've a VERY complete selection of nearly every book on woodworking printed by the Taunton press in the mid 80's and early 90's. I've got the first two hundred issues of Fine Woodworking magazine, and most of the first 50 or so from American Woodworking, Wood and Woodworker's Journal. I taught myself everything I know about woodworking from all of this. I deal mostly with solid wood and spend a lot of time designing furniture and joinery around wood movement to prevent eventual failure due to inevitable wood movement. Many antiques are authenticated by inattention to this, and the resulting inevitable cracks that develop. By the way, plywood doublers on solid spars ARE NOT a good design. If you read the aircraft repair manual, it does state that doublers can be plywood or solid wood. The solid wood is WAY superior for longevity because it will expand and contract with the spar (for example). The plywood will not and the glue joint will fail. Of course, most spars are quartersawn, the most stable of conditions, and that helps. Also, the better they are varnished, the more stable they are. If they're given three coats of epoxy, well applied, no problem, the wood is inert at that point. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428494#428494 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Lorenzo, You're exactly right about my misuse of the term crushed... thanks! Also, your succinct explanation is way better than mine, thanks again! Tools, who pretty much needs his hands to talk... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428495#428495 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair College
From: "wheelharp" <wheelharp(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Does anyone know what time CC 30 at Zenith plant starts? I thought there would be more info when I signed up, but there wasn't ...I looked on Williams site, and also couldn't find anything. I live about 3 hours away, and will probably just drive up the morning of, unless it starts earlier than say, 7 AM. -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428501#428501 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: tillotson carb
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Mike, So far the carb seems to work OK, but it has not been tested under real cond itions. According WW's recommendations, it and the mags should be overhaule d by a reputable mechanic trained to do the job. Seems that job for the car b is about $1000.00. Wish someone would reproduce the carb, would maybe cost less! If I don't use the Stromberg, it will be because it doesn't work, so it woul d probably not be worth much! But I will make a note of your request. It's been great following your progress...I'm envious. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 15, 2014, at 3:52 AM, Michael Perez wrot e: > > Ray, if you decide to off load your NS3-B Stromberg, I'd would be interest ed in it. I'll need one for my other A-65 when I finish the overhaul on it s omeday. > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
Tools, I understand what you are saying...I was just giving you a hard time saying wood fibers don't stretch and then later saying the tape prevents s tretch. just messin' with ya...sorry.=0A=0AOn a side note, I would be inter ested in the furniture you make/have made. I have done the same and plan to get back into it after the plane is finished.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co -pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication /Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: tillotson carb
Thanks Ray. Keep me in mind just in case.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilo t, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Inst allation ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Carb choice for ford
Ray, that machined carb. arm in the picture is mine, however, it was Mike W eston who offered to make you one for your carb. if needed.=0A=0A-=0AIf G od is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Stru t Fabrication/Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Aerocarb on Ford
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Douwe, The AeroCarb has a leaning valve that is nothing more than a needle valve th at restricts the flow of Fuel to the inlet orafice. That is how I shut off t he fuel flow. On my Jabiru, the AeroCarb is in a horizontal position to the engine, not vertical as it would be on an A-65. My starting procedure on th e Jab is to open the throttle slightly, push in the mixture to full rich and hit the starter; no priming regardless of the temperature. It starts on the first, or second blade. It must start on fumes because I cannot visualize a tomized fuel getting to the cylinders. Sonex told me to use the same procedure with the A-65, but I'm sure the fuel would be running out of the cowl, or soaking into the air filter. But ther e are a lot of planes running the VW engines with the AeroCarb mounted verti cally with no problems. Did you try leaning the engine with the AeroCarb after starting? Most every one has the AeroCarb set to start rich. So that leaning would have made it r un more smoothly as compared to the other carb. But leaning on a Ford, or A- 65 might be open to guesstimates and/or speculation. I guess on the A-65 on e would just lean till it ran roughly, then enrichen a little. But thanks for the comments, it helps. By the way, the newer AeroInjectoer does not have the "sticky" throttle whic h is caused by the intake suction holding the slide tightly to the carb body while the engine runs. The newer carb has Teflon sliders that allow the sli de to move more freely. Just information and thoughts. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 15, 2014, at 5:57 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > > I tried an Aerocarb on my Ford installation. I tested it with the Aerocar b and a Weber. It=99s been a few years so my memory of the details ar en=99t crystal clear. > > I actually had the Aerocarb on the plane for its first and only flight wit h the Ford. On the stand, the carb seemed to work well and I liked how simp le it was, and very nicely made. I had zero trouble with slide sticking. T he starting process had to be a bit different due to the nature of the desig n, but once a process was figured out it was fine. It just starts to drip t he moment the fuel is on, so that becomes part of the starting procedure. > > I probably ran it about five hours on the test stand with the aerocarb and about the same with the weber. I seem to remember the weber being a bit sm oother, but that makes total sense considering the design. > > It seemed that it would be very hard to make an aerocarb stop feeding fuel to an engine. I think it is well worth experimenting with. > > Douwe > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "wheelharp" <wheelharp(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2014
I did a quick sketch of a bending strap to move the axis of the bend to the outside edge of rib and put all fibers in compression. I was thinking of using 1/2" pallet banding, and in re-reading tools description of old furniture bending straps, it sounds exactly the same...doggonit, thought I had came up with something for a minute! Anyway, I guess the downside is, you would have to cut your rib exactly to size so compression would begin immediately as bend is started, but hey, these ribs are chocked full of precise cuts anyways-what's one more! -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428520#428520 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribbend_387.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "wheelharp" <wheelharp(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2014
I read tools latest post AGAIN, and see where I drew what he was describing down to the last detail, pallet strap, blocks and all, so let me start over--- "Tools, I made a drawing of the process you described..." -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428522#428522 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Clever. I like it. But too late for me. Lorenzo > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs > From: wheelharp(at)gmail.com > Date: Fri=2C 15 Aug 2014 11:55:44 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > I did a quick sketch of a bending strap to move the axis of the bend to t he outside edge of rib and put all fibers in compression. I was thinking of using 1/2" pallet banding=2C and in re-reading tools description of old fu rniture bending straps=2C it sounds exactly the same...doggonit=2C thought I had came up with something for a minute! Anyway=2C I guess the downside is=2C you would have to cut your rib exactly to size so compression would begin immediately as bend is started=2C but hey=2C these ribs are chocked f ull of precise cuts anyways-what's one more! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Mike, seriously?!! All that for nothing! Good one... Still, a good discussion on what's going on when ya bend wood. Wing bows, rib caps, etc. GREAT diagram of how to make a bending jig. The jig doesn't have to be precise, the end blocks can be adjustable... or use shims. The part just needs to fig snugly. Another trick, ammonia. Use that alot for bending balsa wood in model building. Not sure what's going on, need to check with a bud who's a wood technologist. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428525#428525 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Just so that all new builders are clear.... Nearly every wood/fabric wing built since the Wright Brothers was built with simple rib jigs, with the cap strips soaked or steamed. No need to make an already tedious process more so... Gary Boothe NX308MB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428522#428522 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2014
From: Bill Budgell <capaviation1(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
Right on enough talk start building then it wont take 1000 hrs.?=0A=0ARegar ds:-- Bill Budgell=0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0A=0A________________ ________________=0A From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenpo l-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, August 15, 2014 5:47:43 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs=0A =0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List me ssage posted by: "Gary Boothe" =0A=0AJust so that all new builders are clear....=0A=0ANearly every wood/fabric wing built since the Wright Brothers was built with=0Asimple rib jigs, with the cap strips s oaked or steamed. No need to make an=0Aalready tedious process more so... =0A=0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428522#428522=0A=0A=0A=0A = ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Gary, I did not find the capstrip bending tedious, nor this current discussion. I actually find it quite interesting as I am gaining new knowledge and learning new skills. Keep talkin' Tools and you other guys. If I get bored I can simply hit delete. But I don't expect to any time soon! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428537#428537 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Lorenzo, I was reviewing your photos and your wing jig, as much as I can see and am wondering about a difference between your jig and mine... It seems yours has supports to clamp to on the INSIDE of the radius of the upper cap strip, whereas mine has them on the OUTSIDE (merely coincidence, not sure why I built it that way...) of the radius. So I pull my strips up into the curve and clamp them, while you bend yours down to the clamps. Think that's enough difference to cause the few of yours that broke, to break? Given how well yours were tested and steamed, just wondering why you even had that many that failed. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428538#428538 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
Date: Aug 15, 2014
WOW! Where did that come from? You guys go ahead and talk away...but, as I said, I wouldn't want newbies to have the impression that this is a highly technical process. I'm merely reminding that it's very simple. As for being tedious, I'm glad you enjoy rib building so much, but, if it wasn't so tedious, why do so many builders search for pre-built ribs? And, Yes, I find rib building very tedious. Gary Boothe NX308MB 13 ribs into the 38 needed for my Boredom Fighter... -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 5:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs --> Gary, I did not find the capstrip bending tedious, nor this current discussion. I actually find it quite interesting as I am gaining new knowledge and learning new skills. Keep talkin' Tools and you other guys. If I get bored I can simply hit delete. But I don't expect to any time soon! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428537#428537 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Hey Gary, How ya making the rudder bow? Is that a solid bent piece, or a lamination? Seems the vert and horiz stabs also have some decent bends. Looks like a fun plane! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428540#428540 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair College
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Jon I'm signed up for that one also. It isn't specified in my paperwork either. Figure on 8-9 am. That is the way the last one went, but that one was at at Barnwell S.C. These things arent real structured. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wheelharp" <wheelharp(at)gmail.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College > > Does anyone know what time CC 30 at Zenith plant starts? I thought there > would be more info when I signed up, but there wasn't ...I looked on > Williams site, and also couldn't find anything. I live about 3 hours away, > and will probably just drive up the morning of, unless it starts earlier > than say, 7 AM. > > -------- > Jon Jones > Ironton, MO > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428501#428501 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Gary, Is that 38 ribs for the top wing, then another 38 for the bottom wing, maybe vice versa? I love that plane. Someone on Barnstormers just had a beautiful one for sale. But it couldn't be as nice as the one you will build. Keep building! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 15, 2014, at 6:28 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > WOW! Where did that come from? You guys go ahead and talk away...but, as I > said, I wouldn't want newbies to have the impression that this is a highly > technical process. I'm merely reminding that it's very simple. As for being > tedious, I'm glad you enjoy rib building so much, but, if it wasn't so > tedious, why do so many builders search for pre-built ribs? And, Yes, I find > rib building very tedious. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > 13 ribs into the 38 needed for my Boredom Fighter... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > jarheadpilot82 > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 5:27 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs > > --> > > Gary, > > I did not find the capstrip bending tedious, nor this current discussion. I > actually find it quite interesting as I am gaining new knowledge and > learning new skills. > > Keep talkin' Tools and you other guys. If I get bored I can simply hit > delete. But I don't expect to any time soon! > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > USMC, USMCR, ATP > BVD DVD PDQ BBQ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428537#428537 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair College
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Jon, The sign up for CC#30 closed about 90 minutes ago. After we have the emails of everyone who is attending, we send out a series of emails with a lot of details on prepping for the college and the schedule for the event. The on line sign up is done for us by Ken Pavlou (he flew the blue/gray Corvair powered 601XL to Oshkosh) and I expect to have the final list from him in a day or two, and the builders who signed up will get the follow on information after that. If you have further questions after that, email me privately. If you would like to cover it on the phone, I will be glad to do so when I get back to Florida in a week. Grace and I are still in NJ taking care of my Father. ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428547#428547 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 15, 2014
Builders, I just put a story on my website about a dangerous idiot who came to my booth at Oshkosh to brag that the had talked a Corvair/Pietenpol builder out of using the forged pistons I have specified for 25 years. The idiot claimed I didn't know Corvairs as well as he did, and the additional cost of forged pistons, ( less than 1% of a $10K plane) was a waste. The full story is at this link: http://flycorvair.net/2014/08/16/local-expert-convinces-builder-to-use-cast-pistons/ It is worth reading for the lesson of not listening to idiot local experts, and the cost of being around fools in aviation The plane and engine in question belong to Rick Schreiber. I like Rick a lot, and I didn't use his name on my site, but I do here because it is my heart felt wish that he rethink taking advice from this idiot. I have no idea what other things this fool talked Rick into. I have known too many people hurt in planes because they took advice from an idiot. -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428548#428548 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2014
Gary, I look at things a bit differently than you. I would want "newbies" to know they can get as deep as they want, or as simple as they desire. Either way is accepted. Newbies come in all sizes and shapes with all variety of experience. I try not to put all builders in any one single mold. I know when I started on my ribs I went through 3 iterations of soaking and steaming methods til I ended upwith my high tech walmart teapot with a piece of PVC pipe glued to the mouth - about $6.00 in materials. It worked great and was dead simple. I stuck a picture in a previous post so anyone including newbies can see a simple system that worked. However the pictures is in a thread discussing wood fiber in tension as well as compression, etc etc. I got into what I call then zen of the rib. Focusing on the rib took my mind off all of the day's crap, and I really enjoyed it. I was almost sorry when I finished the last one. I am just curious - if ribs are so tedious, why are you building a biplane now? That is like a guy who hates rivets deciding to build an RV. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428550#428550 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
Tools, your write up was not a waste. Depending on the subject matter, I to o like to delve into the details of various subjects and your post does jus t that for those to come whom may want to know. Others may find a way to us e what you wrote towards other aspects in life far removed from wood planes . Its all good stuff.=0A=0AFor the record...I am not a fan of repetitivenes s. After about my 3rd rib, I had it! The newness was gone and I had "been t here, done that" X3, so the task of making the others was boring and hard t o get through. (motivation)-- However, that made actually getting them finished more exciting. =0A=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Building Wing Ribs
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2014
The irony of you "not getting it" was that I figured you did... and thought for a moment you were being ironic... but then thought, well, I'm not THAT good of a writer, had no pics... maybe it was tough to visualize. So when you realized my first thought, I thought REALLY?! arg! Should always go with first instincts. Either way, not my gig here, Lorenzo knows as much about it as I do, but amplification is always good. Don't care if some think it's wordy or repetitive, if ANYONE gets ANYTHING out of it, worthwhile. Personally, I LOVE things like making wing ribs. A relief from ADD in a way. Love reruns on TV too... but that's just me. Now, breaking even 5 of 30 capstrips, not having any idea why, THAT is tedium in my book. I HATE pushing the "I believe" button. One of the reasons I like WW's posts so much, VERY well founded reasoning. There's always something to agree (or not) with. The "has worked for years" alone reasoning just doesn't sit well. It's great to know, certainly a part of my reasoning, but want to know WHY it's worked for years. Something may have changed recently... ya know?! You asked for it, not trying to kidnap the post, but here's one thing I built. It's a replica. When the Navy movers carried my (soon to be) first born's mother's chair, off the truck in about 5 pieces, and she's 8 1/2 months pregnant (I swear I saw her head spin around about 5 times ala The Exorcist)... I flew into action... I'll build ya a new one!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428561#428561 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/97e8_134.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Aerocarb
Date: Aug 16, 2014
Ray, Don't take my comments wrongly, I really liked the aerocarb and it is what ended up on the plane for "flying day" rather than the weber or the ford carb because I loved the simplicity. I had zero problems with it. All I meant is that you have to come up with a different starting procedure than a standard designed carb. Now that you jogged my memory, I think I started it just like you do. It always worked great and there were very few moving parts. As I said, I never got to put flying hours on it, but it seems well worth trying on a ford as it really isn't too expensive. I used three carbs on the test stand and chose that one to go with. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Evening flight
Date: Aug 16, 2014
Had a beautiful day here (Northern KY) yesterday so decided to bop over to the airport for an evening patrol. My 15 year-old daughter is now an avid passenger after firmly resisting the idea for years. She went with me and we did the "river run" which means following the Licking River south from Falmouth for about ten miles to the high tension lines where we turn around the come back skimming the fields. Saw a bunch of deer in the corn, a huge flock of birds skimming the river, had a very close encounter with a buzzard and got to watch the men starting to harvest the tobacco. Gave them a buzz job with smoke and I don't think a single one even looked up. what gives! (tobacco harvesting is a PIA, so maybe they were exhausted) Flew back to find stranded Stearman that needed a "jump". The lawnmower battery (not kidding) wasn't quite up to more than three starts, so I gave them a jump from my car and send them on their way. It was purchased for a young man with some physical disabilities and he was bringing it home from VA with a friend. It was awesome to see a young American still up for an adventure for it was a pretty "ratty" Stearman, they had just covered it up with a fresh coast of yellow dope, but beneath it all, it looked like it had just stopped dusting fields for the last fifty years. In other words, it was a GREAT plane! Not your usual pampered, glossy artificial looking Stearman we're used to seeing these days, but a REAL working plane. Safe, but ugly. Keep building, it's worth it!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Aerocarb
Date: Aug 16, 2014
Douwe, Thanks for the info, I will keep it in mind and will have a great starting p oint if the Stromberg does not work out. I have a lot of experience with the AeroCarb, over 450 hours! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 16, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > > Ray, > > Don=99t take my comments wrongly, I really liked the aerocarb and it is what ended up on the plane for =9Cflying day=9D rather than t he weber or the ford carb because I loved the simplicity. I had zero proble ms with it. All I meant is that you have to come up with a different starti ng procedure than a standard designed carb. Now that you jogged my memory, I think I started it just like you do. It always worked great and there were very few moving parts. > > As I said, I never got to put flying hours on it, but it seems well worth t rying on a ford as it really isn=99t too expensive. > > I used three carbs on the test stand and chose that one to go with. > > Douwe > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Evening flight
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2014
GREAT story, GREAT photo! Bravo! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428568#428568 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2014
William, Whether someone totally agrees with you or not, $80.00 sure seems like cheap insurance to manage the risk and minimize the opportunity for an engine issue and an off-field landing. What is it Ben Franklin said about being pent wise, but pound foolish? -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428576#428576 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 17, 2014
WW,=0A=0A=0AI don't know about that man at Brodhead, but I c an tell you that Rick Schreiber is no idiot. As a matter of fact, he is a very thoughtful, intelligent and purposeful decision maker. As for you, I would like to extend an invi te to apply for the open position on the Board of Crumudeo ns. Your personality is exactly what we are looking for...abra sive, harsh, not reluctant to name-call. Please consider.=0A=0A=0A Dan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2014
Dan, Since you felt the need to defend Rick, I guess I feel the need to do the same on William's behalf. Not that he necessarily needs it. William did not call Rick an idiot, but obviously he did call the gentleman who helped Rick in his decision making an idiot. Because idiot's DO advise on things they know nothing about. My take it is not that he is an idiot. Rather than being an idiot, I believe Rick is misinformed and misguided on who to listen to when it comes to Corvair engines used in aircraft. You can decide what words to use when describing someone that allows their decision making to be influenced by those who have no experience in that area. I prefer to simply use the term misguided, as that is what is more correct - guided incorrectly. As far as inviting William to join the Curmudgeons, I think that he would not be welcome at that table for long. William's most recent postings that you find "curmudgeonly" I would describe them (more accurately) as focused and direct on areas that he feels passionate about that fall under the category of risk management and decision making. The Curmudgeonly group often, in my opinion have been disagreeable for disagreeability's sake, with little constructive advice couched in the curmudgeonly responses. William is, obviously, opinionated, but as you can see from the definition below, opinionated is not a synonym for curmudgeon. I think his focus on tangible issues as opposed to the concept of thinking disagreeability is somehow "funny" would put him outside of the curmudgeonly mainstream very quickly. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428610#428610 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2014
.......just as one voice in the wind, I would like to say that if anyone sees something questionable, unsafe, concerning, or anything of the like on my project/Pietenpol, I would appreciate if you could pull me aside quietly & whisper it in my ear, or post it offline, or post it openly, or use a bullhorn, or shout it from a mountaintop. I am open to input.....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428614#428614 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2014
Nice comment, Jake. That is a rule we should all use as we build. Dan, one last thing. You may not agree with, or even appreciate William's method of bringing this to Rick or other builder's attention. The one thing you cannot question is William's motive. He doesn't sell forged pistons. It is not his parts for which he was questioning the lack of use. His motive is to help builders make sound as opposed to unsound decisions. It was not a question of using a brand new oil cooler as opposed to using a stock GM oil cooler (both are used). It was a known flaw in parts choice that he questioned. People today think that this is a live and let live world where people should be free to make decisions good or bad, and we should not question their decisions. It might hurt someone's feelings. William doesn't appear to ascribe to that notion when it comes to risk management. My take is like Jake's-if you see me making a bad choice from a risk management perspective, then by all means shout it from the roof tops if that is what it takes to get my attention. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428615#428615 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 17, 2014
...........nails on chalkboard......=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0AFrom: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Sun, Aug 17, 2014 1:33 pm=0AS ubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning=0A=0A=0A 82(at)hotmail.com>=0A=0ANice comment, Jake. That is a rule we shoul d all use as we build.=0A=0ADan, one last thing. You may n ot agree with, or even appreciate William's method =0Aof bring ing this to Rick or other builder's attention. The one thing you cannot =0Aquestion is William's motive. He doesn't sell forged pistons. It is not his =0Aparts for which he was qu estioning the lack of use. His motive is to help =0Abuilders make sound as opposed to unsound decisions. It was not a question of =0Ausing a brand new oil cooler as opposed to using a stock GM oil cooler (both are =0Aused). It was a known flaw in parts choice that he questioned. People today =0Athink that this is a live and let live world where peop le should be free to make =0Adecisions good or bad, and we should not question their decisions. It might hurt =0Asomeone 's feelings. William doesn't appear to ascribe to that notion when it =0Acomes to risk management.=0A=0AMy take is like Jake 's-if you see me making a bad choice from a risk managemen t =0Aperspective, then by all means shout it from the roof tops if that is what it =0Atakes to get my attention.=0A=0A- -------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0ATerry Hand=0AAthens, GA=0A=0AUSMC, USMCR, AT P=0ABVD DVD PDQ BBQ=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428615#428615=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== ======================0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2014
Sorry you feel that way on an open discourse, Dan. The fact that I disagree with you and am willing to say why equates to fingernails down a chalk board says at least as much about you, as it does me. Don't forget the delete button works well on any of these posts. If you don't like what I write, simply hit delete and the fingernails on a chalkboard magically cease for you. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428624#428624 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
Date: Aug 17, 2014
This may be unwelcome, but I am going to say it anyway. When I met Wm for the first time he looked like hell. No offense William. It was not long after his plane wreck and he was a pile of bandages and pain. It was really, really bad. He suffered a long time from that pain from the burns. He doesn't want any one else to go through what he did if they can avoid it. He got lucky and lived, some don't. His message isn't arrogance, but concern for people because someone may save a few bucks but leave a lasting hole in their family. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: jarheadpilot82 Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning Dan, Since you felt the need to defend Rick, I guess I feel the need to do the same on William's behalf. Not that he necessarily needs it. William did not call Rick an idiot, but obviously he did call the gentleman who helped Rick in his decision making an idiot. Because idiot's DO advise on things they know nothing about. My take it is not that he is an idiot. Rather than being an idiot, I believe Rick is misinformed and misguided on who to listen to when it comes to Corvair engines used in aircraft. You can decide what words to use when describing someone that allows their decision making to be influenced by those who have no experience in that area. I prefer to simply use the term misguided, as that is what is more correct - guided incorrectly. As far as inviting William to join the Curmudgeons, I think that he would not be welcome at that table for long. William's most recent postings that you find "curmudgeonly" I would describe them (more accurately) as focused and direct on areas that he feels passionate about that fall under the category of risk management and decision making. The Curmudgeonly group often, in my opinion have been disagreeable for disagreeability's sake, with little constructive advice couched in the curmudgeonly responses. William is, obviously, opinionated, but as you can see from the definition below, opinionated is not a synonym for curmudgeon. I think his focus on tangible issues as opposed to the concept of thinking disagreeability is somehow "funny" would put him outside of the curmudgeonly mainstream very quickly. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428610#428610 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
Date: Aug 17, 2014
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Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 17, 2014
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHe doesn't sell forged pistons=0A=0AWell, I guess h e does..=0A"Every forged piston we have ever sold was made i n California"=0A=0A=0ANo, Mr Hand, I do not agree with, nor do I appreciate, his "method of bringing this to Rick's atte ntion". I think it is low class, and more about WW's self- importance and self aggrandizement, rather than from a genuine concern for Rick's safety. And actually, I do question "Willia m's motive". Dare I say, public humiliation, is not the best way to approach the "concern" for others.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0A Loensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFr om: jarheadpilot82 =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Sun, Aug 17, 2014 1:33 pm=0ASubj ect: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning=0A=0A=0A- 2(at)hotmail.com>=0A=0ANice comment, Jake. That is a rule we should all use as we build.=0A=0ADan, one last thing. You may no t agree with, or even appreciate William's method =0Aof bringi ng this to Rick or other builder's attention. The one thing you cannot =0Aquestion is William's motive. He doesn't sell fo rged pistons. It is not his =0Aparts for which he was ques tioning the lack of use. His motive is to help =0Abuilders make sound as opposed to unsound decisions. It was not a q uestion of =0Ausing a brand new oil cooler as opposed to u sing a stock GM oil cooler (both are =0Aused). It was a known flaw in parts choice that he questioned. People today =0Athink that this is a live and let live world where peop le should be free to make =0Adecisions good or bad, and we should not question their decisions. It might hurt =0Asomeone 's feelings. William doesn't appear to ascribe to that notion when it =0Acomes to risk management.=0A=0AMy take is like Jake 's-if you see me making a bad choice from a risk managemen t =0Aperspective, then by all means shout it from the roof tops if that is what it =0Atakes to get my attention.=0A=0A- -------=0ASemper Fi,=0A=0ATerry Hand=0AAthens, GA=0A=0AUSMC, USMCR, AT P=0ABVD DVD PDQ BBQ=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428615#428615=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== ======================0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2014
Dan, A small point of correction- What I should have said is that William does not sell forged pistons of his own design. Again my point is simply this- William brought up the point in the way as he thought it the best way to get Rick's attention. I have no way of knowing unless Rick chooses to respond. I am not calling him out at all. I am just saying I can't crawl inside his head in see why he made the build decision he did. Just as you can't crawl in Williams head and surmise why he did it that way. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428629#428629 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2014
williams said it like it it is.. i understood his comments.. there is right, wrong, black and white when it comes to safety.. people that beat around their bush or someone elses bush irritate me. i want people looking at my project every detail and telling me DIRECT if they see something im doing wrong.. i had rather get my feelings hurt than my f______ing neck broke.. safety is everyones job and it comes first.. hyde Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428630#428630 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip Gmail <kipgohio1957(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
Date: Aug 17, 2014
Actually, I think William does resell forged pistons simply because there is a demand for them, and they are certainly in the engines he completes for others. Also, I seem to recall that in the past that he would bring sets to CC's and resell them at cost, just so they were available if anyone needed them during the weekend, don't know if he still does that. I think it is fair to say that he is not in the business of selling pistons to make a lot of money, so Dan, your nit- picking is really just that. On Aug 17, 2014, at 7:01 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > > > > Dan, > > A small point of correction- > > What I should have said is that William does not sell forged pistons > of his own design. > > Again my point is simply this- William brought up the point in the > way as he thought it the best way to get Rick's attention. I have no > way of knowing unless Rick chooses to respond. I am not calling him > out at all. I am just saying I can't crawl inside his head in see > why he made the build decision he did. Just as you can't crawl in > Williams head and surmise why he did it that way. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > USMC, USMCR, ATP > BVD DVD PDQ BBQ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428629#428629 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: This was an interesting video for comparison
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2014
This girl is 14, and rebuilding a Pontiac Fiero. About 3 minutes in, she starts talking about all the things she is learning while rebuilding the car... How an engine works, how to weld, etc. It was like listening to a presentation about why you should build an airplane. It was inspiring! The only thing she could have done better was chose a Piet and build an airplane instead of a car... Enjoy! http://videos.komando.com/watch/6196/viral-videos-youll-never-guess-what-this-talented-teen-is-building-from-scratch?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=tvkim&utm_content 14-08-17-article-screen-shot-b Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428632#428632 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2014
anyone know why this dude crashed in the first place...in crm where did the error chain start?? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428635#428635 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
My 2 cents - WW using names I don't think WW uses names to "humiliate" the person in the story. Rather (for me) its a wake up call - If a respected, intelligent, friendly person like Rick can follow poor advice, what am I capable of doing? Seeing someones name is a WW post forces me to pause a moment, and re-check my decision making abilities as they relate to risk management. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428649#428649 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip Gmail <kipgohio1957(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
Date: Aug 18, 2014
Exactly, Bob. I think that could be the last word on the subject unless Rick chooses to share anything with the forum (which I, for one, would appreciate). Kip Gardner On Aug 18, 2014, at 9:14 AM, bdewenter wrote: > > > > My 2 cents - WW using names > > I don't think WW uses names to "humiliate" the person in the story. > Rather (for me) its a wake up call - If a respected, intelligent, > friendly person like Rick can follow poor advice, what am I capable > of doing? Seeing someones name is a WW post forces me to pause a > moment, and re-check my decision making abilities as they relate to > risk management. > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428649#428649 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
..reminds me of a wer wer 1 song.. "Take the cylinder out of my Kidneys, The Connecting Rod out of me arse, me arse, >From the small of my back take the camshaft, And assembly the F___ing thing again!" -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428655#428655 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/on2193_1_163.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rick Schreiber - engine warning
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
everyone building a home built plane should have a good understanding of the DUNNING KRUGER EFFECT> Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428656#428656 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: dunning kruger effect
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
the more i read here on the subject of building an airplane the more im sure that we all should read and have a basic understanding of the DUNNING KRUGER EFFECT...without an understanding of DUNNING KRUGER we all will spend way too much time wasting time. anything said here should be weighed in light of DUNNING KRUGER jim hyde :( [Idea] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428657#428657 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Gow <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Subject: dunning kruger effect
Date: Aug 18, 2014
It also explains a lot of what I see in the work place. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Braniff1966 Sent: August 18, 2014 10:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: dunning kruger effect the more i read here on the subject of building an airplane the more im sure that we all should read and have a basic understanding of the DUNNING KRUGER EFFECT...without an understanding of DUNNING KRUGER we all will spend way too much time wasting time. anything said here should be weighed in light of DUNNING KRUGER jim hyde :( [Idea] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428657#428657 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: GENERAL INFORMATION
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
ant time im around a group of pilots no matter what the subject i put on the FULL ARMOUR OF DUNNING KRUGER EFFECT in order to protect myself and produce others :) jim hyde Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428659#428659 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Gow <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Subject: Engine
Date: Aug 18, 2014
Now that I have opened up Model A engine and had a good look I am ready to get someone to do the machine work. I have asked the Model A folks in this area and I have been advised that no one local can do the mods I need. Aside from the plans mods which include drilling the crank for pressure oiling, I'd like to get the oversize valves, insert bearings and perhaps a "cruising" cam. I plan the aluminum 6.5:1 head as well. Can anyone recommend an engine builder? There are several on the web that should be capable. Bob Robert Gow, President and DAO Manager. Avionics Design Services Ltd. Phn 705-527-6095 Cell 416-434-3393 Fax 705-527-6028 www.avionicsdesign.ca ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: it's been a good run but..........
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
Larry, I will write this to you, even though you supposedly will not see it. If you choose to leave (yet again), it is your right to do so. Fair winds and following seas, as we used to say. As a new guy who is often verbose (my wife reminds me of this on a regular basis), I appreciate all those forum members who are not stuck in the past. I am respectful as well as appreciative of those who came before us. I am sorry I have not had the opportunity to meet the Reweys, the Pavligas, and the Kaplers of the recent past. I, however, have been extremely priveged to have met the Purtees, the Cardinals, the Schultz's and the Dewenters of today. Some are flying while others, like me, are building or rebuilding. Each have freely shared their knowledge, their successes as well as their mistakes (sorry about that spar, Jake!) I appreciate the past but look forward to a growing group of people who help each other, praise each other, stand up to each other if poor choices are made. That is what real friends do. Larry, your last post is almost a "Pietenpols are going to Hell in a hand basket" sort of speech. Sorry you feel that way. I do not. I anxiously await everyone's input, knowing that if it helps, it's great. But if it is not for me, then the delete key is always at the ready. But we are free to be either way on this forum. Let's get back to the shop, shall we? See you there! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428665#428665 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: dunning kruger effect
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
sometimes when im talking i think of dunning kruge. then i shutup and sit down Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428666#428666 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Engine
there=C2- is a co. near dallas that can do it all and experienced with wh at u need. i would start with model a clubs in that area.. they are well kn own=0A=0Ahyde =0A=0A=0AOn Monday, August 18, 2014 10:02 AM, Robert Gow wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0ANow that I have opened up Model A engine and had a good look I am ready to get someone to do the machine work .=C2-=C2- I have asked the Model A folks in this area and I have been a dvised that no one local can do the mods I need.=0AAside from the plans mod s which include drilling the crank for pressure oiling, I=99d like to get the oversize valves, insert bearings and perhaps a =9Ccruising =9D cam.=C2- I plan the aluminum 6.5:1 head as well.=C2- =0A=C2 -=0ACan anyone recommend an engine builder?=C2- There are several on th e web that should be capable.=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0ABob=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A =C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0ARobert Gow,=0APresident and DAO Manager.=0AAvion ics Design Services Ltd.=0APhn 705-527-6095=0ACell 416-434-3393=0AFax 705-5 ======= ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: it's been a good run but..........
try the dunning kruger effect as a filter it works in both transmit and rec eive for me.=0A=0Ajim =0A=0A=0AOn Monday, August 18, 2014 11:32 AM, jarhead pilot82 wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "jarheadpilot82" =0A=0ALarr y,=0A=0AI will write this to you, even though you supposedly will not see i t. If you choose to leave (yet again), it is your right to do so. Fair wind s and following seas, as we used to say.=0A=0AAs a new guy who is often ver bose (my wife reminds me of this on a regular basis), I appreciate all thos e forum members who are not stuck in the past. I am respectful as well as a ppreciative of those who came before us. I am sorry I have not had the oppo rtunity to meet the Reweys, the Pavligas, and the Kaplers of the recent pas t. I, however, have been extremely priveged to have met the Purtees, the Ca rdinals,- the Schultz's and the Dewenters of today. Some are flying while others, like me, are building or rebuilding. Each have freely shared their knowledge, their successes as well as their mistakes (sorry about that spa r, Jake!) I appreciate the past but look forward to a growing group of peop le who help each other, praise each other, stand up to each other if poor c hoices are made. That is what real friends do.=0A=0ALarry, your last post i s almost a "Pietenpols are going to Hell in a hand basket" sort of speech. Sorry you feel that way. I do not. I anxiously await everyone's input, know ing that if it helps, it's great. But if it is not for me, then the delete key is always at the ready. But we are free to be either way on this forum. =0A=0ALet's get back to the shop, shall we? See you there!=0A=0A--------=0A Semper Fi,=0A=0ATerry Hand=0AAthens, GA=0A=0AUSMC, USMCR, ATP=0ABVD DVD PDQ BBQ=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronic ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: dunning kruger effect
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
Jim, I have to admit I did not know what that was so I looked it up. See below. We all should use that filter at certain times. Good point on your part. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428669#428669 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_149.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: it's been a good run but..........
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
Is Larry selling the plane too? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428673#428673 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: dunning kruger effect
Date: Aug 18, 2014
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From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: it's been a good run but..........
Date: Aug 18, 2014
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Date: Aug 18, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: dunning kruger effect
we all end up working from both sides of the concept at least for me =0A =0A=0AOn Monday, August 18, 2014 12:37 PM, "Boatright, Jeffrey" wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AWe all fall somewhere on a D-K curve (th ere are probably curves for different activities). Spike Milligan said it b est:=C2-Happy little moron, Lucky little man. I wish I was a moron,=C2- My God! Perhaps I am! =0A =0AWhich, of course, is why many of us are here o n the list =94 to learn, and if we=99re lucky, to teach. =0A=0A =0A-- =0A =0AFrom: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>=0AReply-T o: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ADate: Mo nday, August 18, 2014 at 12:45 PM=0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dunning kruger ef eadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> =0A>=0A> =0A>Jim, =0A>I have to admit I did not kn ow what that was so I looked it up. See below. =0A>=0A> =0A>We all should u se that filter at certain times. Good point on your part. =0A>=0A> =0A>---- ---- =0A>Semper Fi, =0A>=0A> =0A>Terry Hand =0A>Athens, GA =0A>=0A> =0A>USM C, USMCR, ATP =0A>BVD DVD PDQ BBQ =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>R ead this topic online here: =0A>=0A> =0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewto pic.php?p=428669#428669 =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>Attachmen ts: =0A>=0A> =0A>http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_149.jpg =0A>=0A> ==C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-- The Pieten =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- ================= =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>=0A> =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AThis e-mai l message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of=0Athe intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged=0Ainformation. If the reader of this message is not the intended=0Arecipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution=0Aor copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly=0Aprohibited.=0A=0AIf you have rec eived this message in error, please contact=0Athe sender by reply e-mail me ssage and destroy all copies of the=0Aoriginal message (including attachmen ts). ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: it's been a good run but..........
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
Sometimes when someone wants to give advice and they deliver it in a manner that they are right and superior and everyone else is beneath them, it's a little tough to take. Many folks tend to read the character of a person and accept advice when it is delivered in a much more diplomatic manner. To chase away guys like Larry Williams is really too bad for this group. If you are building, please exercise discernment in who you listen to for advice. It only makes sense to listen to guys who have built and have been flying safely for years. Often you'll find they are the ones that are not telling you how right and how superior they are. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428687#428687 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: it's been a good run but..........
From: "dfwplt" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
Good points Don. I'm also concerned that some of us are clouding up VERY valuable information with not so subtle personal character and moral innuendoes. Where did all that come from? And I'm NOT just referring to William Wynne's statements. This is a much larger issue than any one person. Up until recently names never WERE mentioned but technical pointers were very clear. And thank goodness! I rebuilt my lift struts because someone mentioned how welding aluminum destroyed the strength of aluminum. I didn't need my name mentioned to get the point!!! NO ONE on this list is so stupid that they need to be mentioned by name to apply valuable content! We're ALL anxious to do that! That's a big part of why we're here. We're also here because this is a very special group of people. And I can tell you more than one builder I've passed "suggestions" to in this public forum but you will NOT be able to figure out who it was. That's NOT important! And all this "you have a delete key" crap? Enough already! How about we PERSONALLY apply a delete key to some of our typing BEFORE we hit the send button? TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY TO BE A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTOR TO THIS FORUM!!! Don't let the fact that I have a delete key remove YOUR responsibility to participate in this forum like a gentleman and stay focused on building in the spirit of this wonderful old Pietenpol design. Some of these messages simply communicate a misleading message. Let's start putting a bit more brain power into WHY we're typing that message and WHAT it really communicates before we hit the send button. Then we won't ever have to make that silly "you have a delete key" statement. Think about this: When you type a message, read it back and think how it would sound if you were standing on a table in the pavilion at Brodhead....would you say something like that in front of all those people you barely know but respect so much? Come on folks, in this type of forum there's no stopping vulgar language or "subtle" character attacks, but really, where is it getting us? Take that stuff to some other forum, this place is special. If life has burdened you and today isn't a good day, take some time off from the list! Oh, and I admittedly don't have ANY experience flying a Pietenpol and I've made EVERY single mistake possible on my project. And I have NO more right to pontificate than anyone. But I just HAVE to believe we can each refocus a bit and get this thing back on a MUCH more positive track. Let's get back to the point where we don't EVEN have these conversations about people leaving and our focus makes more people want to JOIN the list! And believe me, this isn't just about Larry Williams...many other important voices are now silent and should NOT be! Let's move beyond THAT debate and move forward! Let's take a look at the general attitude around here and stop focusing on individuals. Please, let's move on folks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428689#428689 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2014
From: George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: it's been a good run but..........
I agree. Let's make nice. The main thing that I like about the pietenpol is the happy group of folks that go along with it.-=0A=0AIt is a very basic lightly loaded design that has pretty much proven itself fool proof. -Ev en after being subjected to-=0Amany, many, design "improvements".-=0A =0AG=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: dfwplt <jim_markle@m indspring.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, August 1 8, 2014 3:14 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: it's been a good run but.... mindspring.com>=0A=0AGood points Don.- I'm also concerned that some of us are clouding up VERY valuable information with not so subtle personal char acter and moral innuendoes.- Where did all that come from?- And I'm NOT just referring to William Wynne's statements.- This is a much larger iss ue than any one person. Up until recently names never WERE mentioned but te chnical pointers were very clear.- And thank goodness!=0A=0AI rebuilt my lift struts because someone mentioned how welding aluminum destroyed the st rength of aluminum.- I didn't need my name mentioned to get the point!!! - NO ONE on this list is so stupid that they need to be mentioned by name to apply valuable content!- We're ALL anxious to do that!- That's a bi g part of why we're here.- We're also here because this is a very special group of people.- And I can tell you more than one builder I've passed " suggestions" to in this public forum but you will NOT be able to figure out who it was.- That's NOT important!=0A=0AAnd all this "you have a delete key" crap?- Enough already!- How about we PERSONALLY apply a delete key to some of our typing BEFORE we hit the send button?- TAKE SOME RESPONSI BILITY TO BE A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTOR TO THIS FORUM!!!- Don't let the fact that I have a delete key remove YOUR responsibility to participate in this forum like a gentleman and stay focused on building in the spirit of this w onderful old Pietenpol design.=0A=0ASome of these messages simply communica te a misleading message.- Let's- start putting a bit more brain power i nto WHY we're typing that message and WHAT it really communicates before we hit the send button.- Then we won't ever have to make that silly "you ha ve a delete key" statement.- =0A=0AThink about this:- When you type a m essage, read it back and think how it would sound if you were standing on a table in the pavilion at Brodhead....would you say something like that in front of all those people you barely know but respect so much?=0A=0ACome on folks, in this type of forum there's no stopping vulgar language or "subtl e" character attacks, but really, where is it getting us?- Take that stuf f to some other forum, this place is special.- If life has burdened you a nd today isn't a good day, take some time off from the list!=0A=0AOh, and I admittedly don't have ANY experience flying a Pietenpol and I've made EVER Y single mistake possible on my project.- And I have NO more right to pon tificate than anyone.- But I just HAVE to believe we can each refocus a b it and get this thing back on a MUCH more positive track.- Let's get back to the point where we don't EVEN have these conversations about people lea ving and our focus makes more people want to JOIN the list!- And believe me, this isn't just about Larry Williams...many other important voices are now silent and should NOT be!- Let's move beyond THAT debate and move for ward!=0A=0ALet's take a look at the general attitude around here and stop f ocusing on individuals.- Please, let's move on folks!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p= == ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: it's been a good run but..........
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
Jim, Good points all. Why don't we as a group set out over the next 30 days to post only building questions, building techniques, and the occasional motivational photo or video and see where that leads? It may reset the tone back to where it should be. Maybe even refrain from the "inside jokes" for a bit as that can tend to put off new guys. Not forever. Just 30 days. What drew me to this forum was just such informational postings. And if it is in the archives, just make nice for 30 days and answer the question. I obviously have no control over the forum. I am merely throwing out an idea. If you have a better idea, by all means, speak up. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428693#428693 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
Surprised none of the A flyers have chimed in... Honestly, none of those mods are really very specific to an A. Installing inserts is nothing more than line boring, any decent hot rod/performance shop should be able to do that for you. Drilling the crank, also not rocket sciency. Oversized valves, again, decent performance shop. For an A, you really need a specialist if you need the thing rebabbited, otherwise, it's typical engine machine work. A standard machine shop or general engine builder probably can't do it, but the performance shops should be able to do what you want. Including reboring, honing and reconditioning a crank. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428705#428705 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2014
Subject: Re: Engine
From: Robert Gow <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
there are a couple of performance engine builders in Toronto which is close. I can talk to them thanks Original Message From: tools Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 22:26 Reply To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Surprised none of the A flyers have chimed in... Honestly, none of those mods are really very specific to an A. Installing inserts is nothing more than line boring, any decent hot rod/performance shop should be able to do that for you. Drilling the crank, also not rocket sciency. Oversized valves, again, decent performance shop. For an A, you really need a specialist if you need the thing rebabbited, otherwise, it's typical engine machine work. A standard machine shop or general engine builder probably can't do it, but the performance shops should be able to do what you want. Including reboring, honing and reconditioning a crank. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428705#428705 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
Good luck and let us know what you find. At the very least they should be able to make recommendations and get you started. You could also try to contact Ken Perkins directly, from Kansas City. He's an amazing machinist and somewhat of an A guru on Piets. He had a modified balanced crank for sale at Brodhead. I know he used to make and sell his own design water pump. Someone here should know his number. Also, Larry Williams and Dan Helsper are both very active flyers with A's, they should have some info, could contact them directly. Larry says he's not monitoring the board, but his account still looks active, a PM should tickle his email account. Dan's info is here somewhere and he seems to monitor a fair amount. I did a quick google and came up with JandM machining. They really seem to know their stuff with vintage engines. There's a fair amount of information out there for guys who modify and upgrade A. Do keep in mind most of them are going for horsepower, and you're going for reliability. The two are generally mutually exclusive. However, craftsmanship is craftsmanship, the skills should not be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428715#428715 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Contact! Magazine all-Piet issue
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 18, 2014
[from Contact! editor, Pat Panzera:] Friends, Id like to take a moment to let you know that we are about to deliver our special, 85th Pietenpol anniversary issue of CONTACT! Magazine, and to thank all of you who were at Brodhead or AirVenture and either bought the single issue or went the distance and subscribed to CONTACT! And I'd especially like to thank ALL who participated in the making of this issue. If its wasn't for your generosity of information, we wouldn't have this awesome issue. It was our great pleasure to work with these individuals that helped us create this special 32 page issue filled with Pietenpol articles: http://tinyurl.com/CM-Issue108 Heres the table of contents: Dan Helspers Ford A Powered Pietenpol. Oscar Zuniga introduces us to a special Pietenpol built by Dan Helsper, who did his best to stick to the plans wherever practical, including the engine. Ol Tattered Wingtips. Pietenpol patriarch Donald Doc Mosher tells of some of the inside tips that help fill in the gaps left in the various Pietenpol plan sets currently available. Got Gas? Steve Williamson, President of EAA Chapter 1279 based at French Valley Airport, gives us a little insight into the traps that can arise when building a plane as a chapter, and details the fuel system in the Pietenpol they built. 1937 Pietenpol Air Camper NX308MB Gary Boothe shares his story of building this simple yet elegant version of Bernard Pietenpols Corvair-powered Air Camper, as a tribute to his father. Greg Bacons Turbo Subaru EA-82T Pietenpol Air Camper Oscar Zuniga presents the tale of Mountain Piet, a straightforward incarnation designed to be flown from a field in Colorado with a summertime density altitude approaching 11,000 feet. Chris Ruschs MitsuPIETshi Air Camper Oscar Zuniga highlights some of the many details that make this Air Camper unique, including the Mitsubishi forklift engine that was overhauled before being adapted to its new chore of powering a classic bird. 11th Annual Alternative Engine Round-Up The fine people from EAA Chapter 1279 have stepped up and offered to cohost our annual fly-in. This year;s event will be held on Saturday, September 27th at the French Valley Airport near Temecula California. If youre interested in receiving CONTACT! Magazine, please contact us by phone, e-mail, or just simply drop a check in the mail to us and well enter you into our database just in time to receive this issue. The link to our subscription page is at the very bottom of this note. Please remember that CONTACT! Magazine is a recognized 501(c)3 non-profit, educational resource. We publish CONTACT! not as a moneymaking endeavor, but rather as a labor of love- love for experimental aviation. As previously stated, we just returned from a very successful trip to Brodhead and Oshkosh. We met some great people with some new products and interesting planes that well be writing about in upcoming issues and I know you wont want to miss out. Additionally, we finally picked up the full-color version of Alternative Engines Volume 4 from the printer just before I left for OSH. I had a good supply of them at Brodhead and AirVenture and totally sold out by the third day. While I was away at the show, my wife Veronica mailed out several hundred to those who were kind enough to preorder so that we would have the funds to self-publish. Shes still not done so if you preordered and havent received yours yet, hang in there a few more weeks. If you havent ordered yours yet, now is the time to do it! Weve had the less expensive black and white version in stock for quite a while now and the are always available. If youd like to know more about the book, please visit: www.contactmagazine.com/Vol4tableofcontents.html Heres an electronic version preview: http://issuu.com/contact.magazine/docs/alternative_engines_volume_4_previe Oh! And one last thing... For the past three years weve been very fortunate to have our CONTACT! Magazine annual fly-in hosted by the fine people at the Golden West Fly-in at Marysville California, who rolled out the red carpet for us. But each year the weather seemed to not want to cooperate. Last year we had a record-shattering heat wave, and the year before that we had 40 mph winds with low temps to match. Each of these weather-related issues kept people from showing up, so our numbers have been slowly declining while they should be rising exponentially. So in the last issue I made mention of a few places we were considering, one such place being French Valley Airport (F70), near Temecula California. Not long after that I received an email from the French Valley EAA chapter (Pietenpol builders!) offering their full assistance. Long story short, I paid them a visit and they voted to help us all they can. So with that, Im pleased to announce that on Saturday September 27, 2014, well be hosting our 11th annual Alternative Engine (and Experimental aircraft) Round-Up at French Valley Airport. The event will have a soft start on Friday, Sept 26th, as we receive and welcome arrivals. On Saturday well have a day of educational forums and lots of cool stuff to see on the ramp. Well have a nice catered dinner that evening, and the next day well be there to help those who flew in to get home safely. None of the details are set in stone (except the date and the place) but we plan to have easy access from the parking lot to the forums for those who drive in, and plenty of ground support (including transportation to and from motels) for those who fly-in. The uncontrolled field has a beautifully paved 6000 x 75 lighted runway, lots of tiedown space, and even a few vacant hangars that can be rented by the day for those who wish to keep their planes inside overnight. Additionally, theres a very nice restaurant on the field. For more information, please visit our website: http://www.contactmagazine.com/roundup.html (still a work in progress) And if youd like to display your plane, present an educational forum, offer assistance or even display a product, please let me know as soon as possible. You can reach me best by email: (Editor(at)ContactMagazine.com) or by my calling office phone number during normal business hours: 559-584-3306 We hope to see you there! Sincerely, Patrick Panzera, Editor Editor(at)ContactMagazine.com If youd like to follow us on Facebook, please visit: www.facebook.com/www.CONTACTMagazine We update that site nearly daily with news and information relevant to experimental aviation. and for subscription information please visit: http://www.contactmagazine.com/subscrip.html If youd like just the current, all Pietenpol issue, that can be ordered by following the directions at the bottom of this page: http://www.contactmagazine.com/backissu.html Please note that this page hasnt been updated in a little over a year and does not include all the most recent issues, including the all-Pietenpol issue. Just be sure to ask for issue #108 when you order. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428717#428717 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Subject: Re: Engine
From: Robert Gow <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
yes and I have found a couple of places that specialize in providing the parts I need They also can do the machine work. I'll tryy the contacts you mentioned. Original Message From: tools Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 23:13 Reply To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Good luck and let us know what you find. At the very least they should be able to make recommendations and get you started. You could also try to contact Ken Perkins directly, from Kansas City. He's an amazing machinist and somewhat of an A guru on Piets. He had a modified balanced crank for sale at Brodhead. I know he used to make and sell his own design water pump. Someone here should know his number. Also, Larry Williams and Dan Helsper are both very active flyers with A's, they should have some info, could contact them directly. Larry says he's not monitoring the board, but his account still looks active, a PM should tickle his email account. Dan's info is here somewhere and he seems to monitor a fair amount. I did a quick google and came up with JandM machining. They really seem to know their stuff with vintage engines. There's a fair amount of information out there for guys who modify and upgrade A. Do keep in mind most of them are going for horsepower, and you're going for reliability. The two are generally mutually exclusive. However, craftsmanship is craftsmanship, the skills should not be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428715#428715 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Ted Koudys just across the border from Buffalo in Beamsville Ontario is a very respected Model A engine rebuilder with a full shop. I can get you his coordinates if you'd like. Scott Knowlton Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2014, at 10:49 PM, "Robert Gow" wrote: > > > there are a couple of performance engine builders in Toronto which is close. I can talk to them > > thanks > > Original Message > From: tools > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 22:26 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Reply To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine > > > Surprised none of the A flyers have chimed in... > > Honestly, none of those mods are really very specific to an A. Installing inserts is nothing more than line boring, any decent hot rod/performance shop should be able to do that for you. > > Drilling the crank, also not rocket sciency. > > Oversized valves, again, decent performance shop. > > For an A, you really need a specialist if you need the thing rebabbited, otherwise, it's typical engine machine work. A standard machine shop or general engine builder probably can't do it, but the performance shops should be able to do what you want. Including reboring, honing and reconditioning a crank. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428705#428705 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Subject: Re: Engine
From: Robert Gow <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
I can do 411 search Original Message From: Scott Knowlton Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 06:21 Reply To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Ted Koudys just across the border from Buffalo in Beamsville Ontario is a very respected Model A engine rebuilder with a full shop. I can get you his coordinates if you'd like. Scott Knowlton Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2014, at 10:49 PM, "Robert Gow" wrote: > > > there are a couple of performance engine builders in Toronto which is close. I can talk to them > > thanks > > Original Message > From: tools > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 22:26 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Reply To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine > > > Surprised none of the A flyers have chimed in... > > Honestly, none of those mods are really very specific to an A. Installing inserts is nothing more than line boring, any decent hot rod/performance shop should be able to do that for you. > > Drilling the crank, also not rocket sciency. > > Oversized valves, again, decent performance shop. > > For an A, you really need a specialist if you need the thing rebabbited, otherwise, it's typical engine machine work. A standard machine shop or general engine builder probably can't do it, but the performance shops should be able to do what you want. Including reboring, honing and reconditioning a crank. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428705#428705 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Motivational Pictures (?)
In another thread, it was suggested that we take time to post motivational pictures/video. Since I have been keeping a mildly tight lid on posting pic tures in the past and I am now very close to completion, I thought I could kick off this picture thread with my own works. The (?) is the subject line is for my pictures...they may not motivate at all...or motivate to go a co mpletely different direction...=0A=0AI decided to use straight exhaust pipe s. I also decided it would be easy just to wrap them both with the heat muf f and take advantage of both hot pipes.- While figuring out how to make t he muff, it occurred to me that it should also be aerodynamic in shape; at least somewhat better than a round pipe standing proudly in the wind. The p ictures show the final design. Two tabs are welded on the inner radii of ea ch pipe and fitted with nut plates. The bottom cover of the muff is riveted to the muff itself and screws on to the exhaust bracket nut plates. The ce nter section of the top cover is removable so that the muff can be slid dow n and off of the exhaust.=0A=0AIn one of the Bingelis' books, he used round holes and a piece of pipe to make bent louvers; I tried this technique for the muff air inlet.- Keeping with the aerodynamic theme, I laid- out t he 3/8" holes in a "V" pattern.- The holes are positioned near the top of the muff and the outlet into the heat box is down low. The thought is to r un the in-coming air through the length of the muff to pick up as much heat as possible.- I have no idea if the holes are big enough, if there are t oo many holes, if being louvered will even work in flight, if there needs t o be some material inside the muff to hold heat, etc., but I have the patte rns on hand and can tweak the design as needed.- I made a "blank" muff fo r the other side.-=0A=0AThe muffs can be seen installed on my first engin e start You Tube video.- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBqgvB5OxVc=0A =0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretakerAero =0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: OUR forum
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Hey all, I completely agree that we all need to work to elevate the "tone" of OUR forum. For many, many months now, I've been troubled by the slide from an upbeat, light and informative group to a more negative, nit-picky and sour-sounding one. I know for a fact this is the reason that many of the older members have removed themselves. As has been observed, this is a shame because they are the very people who patiently answered my questions for ten years while I built. It is not necessary to be negative in any way, nor is it necessary to be overly sensitive and response to every single thing posted that we don't like. It is VERY possible to counter bad-advice or incorrect information in a nice way without getting into a personal "p----ssing contest". If someone posts something stupid or dangerous, then we should certainly respond; but we should respond to the information rather than the person. And if they are jerks, and freak out when anyone confronts them or has a different opinion.. Let it go. or take it off list so we don't all have to read twenty emails going back and forth about little issues, grammar mistakes, personality issues etc. Maybe it would be helpful to come up with a list of "List etiquette suggestions" here's my start. 1. NEW BUILDERS "NEWBIES" ARE IMPORTANT, SHOULD BE RESPECTED AND ARE ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THE LIST EXISTS. WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PIET BUILDERS. BECAUSE THEY ARE NEW BUILDERS, THEY WILL ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS YOU ASKED WHEN YOU WERE A NEW BUILDER AND THEY WONT KNOW ABOUT, OR MIGHT NOT FIND THE ANSWER EASILY IN THE ARCHIVE. 2. IF DIVERSE OPINIONS ARE HELD, ADDRESS/FOCUS ON THE ISSUE RATHER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL. 3. STAY POSITIVE, HELPFUL AND GENTLEMANLY (GENTLEWOMANLY) 4. BEAR WITH THE ANNOYING PEOPLE, THEY USUALLY DISAPPEAR. IF YOU MUST CONFRONT THEM, DO IT OFF THE LIST 5. IF SOMEONE PERSISTS ON USING OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE, IMMEDIATELY CONTACT MATT DRALLE AND HAVE THEM WARNED/BLOCKED 6. ?? I think we'd all do well to remember grandmas advice, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OUR forum
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Amen to that Douwe Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2014, at 8:34 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > > Hey all, > > I completely agree that we all need to work to elevate the =9Ctone =9D of OUR forum. For many, many months now, I=99ve been troubled b y the slide from an upbeat, light and informative group to a more negative, n it-picky and sour-sounding one. > > I know for a fact this is the reason that many of the older members have r emoved themselves. As has been observed, this is a shame because they are t he very people who patiently answered my questions for ten years while I bui lt. > > It is not necessary to be negative in any way, nor is it necessary to be o verly sensitive and response to every single thing posted that we don=99 t like. It is VERY possible to counter bad-advice or incorrect information i n a nice way without getting into a personal =9Cp----ssing contest =9D. > > If someone posts something stupid or dangerous, then we should certainly r espond; but we should respond to the information rather than the person. An d if they are jerks, and freak out when anyone confronts them or has a diffe rent opinion. Let it go or take it off list so we don =99t all have to read twenty emails going back and forth about little issues , grammar mistakes, personality issues etc. > > Maybe it would be helpful to come up with a list of =9CList etiquett e suggestions=9D here=99s my start. > > 1. NEW BUILDERS =9CNEWBIES=9D ARE IMPORTANT, SHOULD BE R ESPECTED AND ARE ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THE LIST EXISTS. WE WANT TO ENCOUR AGE PIET BUILDERS. BECAUSE THEY ARE NEW BUILDERS, THEY WILL ASK THE SAME QU ESTIONS YOU ASKED WHEN YOU WERE A NEW BUILDER AND THEY WONT KNOW ABOUT, OR M IGHT NOT FIND THE ANSWER EASILY IN THE ARCHIVE. > 2. IF DIVERSE OPINIONS ARE HELD, ADDRESS/FOCUS ON THE ISSUE RATHER T HAN THE INDIVIDUAL. > 3. STAY POSITIVE, HELPFUL AND GENTLEMANLY (GENTLEWOMANLY) > 4. BEAR WITH THE ANNOYING PEOPLE, THEY USUALLY DISAPPEAR. IF YOU MU ST CONFRONT THEM, DO IT OFF THE LIST > 5. IF SOMEONE PERSISTS ON USING OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE, IMMEDIATELY CONT ACT MATT DRALLE AND HAVE THEM WARNED/BLOCKED > 6. ?? > > I think we=99d all do well to remember grandmas advice, IF YOU DON =99T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, DON=99T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. > > Douwe > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 3M T-88 glue dispensing gun....
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Hello Good Piet-Ple, Well things are back on track with my 1931 Pietenpol project - after having taken a few brief steps "backwards" by replacing the two rear spars. The first image shows the previous and current spar sections. The spar on the left was the one the original wing builder installed. (I bought my wings from another builder who had started a Pietenpol project.) But that particular spar was not up to the fine quality of the rest of his wing construction. The "cup" in the spar section in particular was making it difficult to integrate the spar with the wing center-section, and wing strut fittings. So I replaced both rear spars. (See other writings for my spar/router screw-up adventure.) I now have a new set of routed rear spars that are glued in place. I used a new 3M "dispensing gun" to apply the aircraft-grade structural T-88 epoxy. The special tips mix the resin/hardener in the tip itself as you dispense it from the gun - which eliminates all the mixing/mess of using epoxy in from large bottles. Depending on the aspect of the project, this gun may be more effective than glue from large bottles mixed in the traditional manner. It was certainly more expensive to use these special tubes, but it worked really well for gluing the spars. Next step in the project is to get back to joining these wing sections to the center-section spars - the step I was beginning before I chose to replace the spars. I feel good about the choice to do so - even considering the setbacks. -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428742#428742 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_spar_comparison_152.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_spar_fit_173.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_spar_gluing_202.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_spar_gluing_2_890.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 3M T-88 glue dispensing gun....
Looks nice Jake.- That feeling of being satisfied after having to do re-w ork is a good thing...even though the process of doing the rework may not b e so gratifying.=0A=0AI really like the wood wheel landing gear in photo tw o...nice and light weight.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats =0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Subject: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
WA
From: Brian Rieger <rieger.brian12(at)gmail.com>
Hello, My name is Brian, I'm a pilot and aero engineer, and am currently building a Pietenpol Air Camper in Seattle. Here's a link to my photo log of the build: http://riegerpietenpol.tumblr.com/ I have browsed this list-serve for a little while and have already learned a ton. I hope to contribute to this community in some way while I continue to learn and also find local Pietenpol flyers / builders. Brian ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: don't give up---keep building, little by little----you'll
too have a flying Pietenpol someday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Here is to the good, good people on this list who are sticking with it, thi nking about it, maybe just this summer have for the very first time heard about this little airplane called the Pi etenpol. Welcome to the list---we're here to help if we can. The archives/search en gine are a great resource and if you haven't see the zillion photos that Chris Tracy has complied on his http://westcoastpiet.com/ site, go there for a bunch of ideas, inspiration, and photos. Good stuff. Just disregard and delete any posts that have negative or harsh comments--- we are not about that. This is a good group and this is a good, honest, wonderful little affordable airplane. Here's two photos that will give you all the reasons you need to keep build ing OR to start building. Don't let the turkeys get you down---you've got an airplane to build and eventually FLY.....and t hen to give rides and smiles that come with those rides. Here's proof. Go for it. Keep the faith! Keep building! Mike C. Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
WA
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Welcome Brian.... Would be great to see and discuss your project. I am building a Pietenpol in Issaquah. ( flight.jake(at)gmail.com ) Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428749#428749 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
WA You are well on your way Brian. Welcome to the list. How long has it taken you to get this far in your build?=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, swit ch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installatio n ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
WA
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Brian, Very nice work. It's amazing how fast a person can build up the fuse to the boat stage. Great builders log too. Have fun with it because the building will be over before you know it. Then come the building withdrawals. Oh, maybe that was too soon to say. Keep up the good work. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428750#428750 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: don't give up---keep building, little by little----you'll
to
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Points taken to heart Mike - thanks.............! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428753#428753 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Subject: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage, after covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND LONGERON." The stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading edge where the stab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of 1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edge and the 1/2" X 3/4" part of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the stab with a 1/16' shim to make up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a thicker shim in addition to the 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn't cover that. OK some of you guys who are already flying, what did you do? Chuck ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Subject: Re: OUR forum
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Douwe, You are SOoooooo right (correct). C On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Hey all, > > > I completely agree that we all need to work to elevate the =9Ctone =9D of OUR > forum. For many, many months now, I=99ve been troubled by the slid e from an > upbeat, light and informative group to a more negative, nit-picky and > sour-sounding one. > > > I know for a fact this is the reason that many of the older members have > removed themselves. As has been observed, this is a shame because they a re > the very people who patiently answered my questions for ten years while I > built. > > > It is not necessary to be negative in any way, nor is it necessary to be > overly sensitive and response to every single thing posted that we don =99t > like. It is VERY possible to counter bad-advice or incorrect information > in a nice way without getting into a personal =9Cp----ssing contest =9D. > > > If someone posts something stupid or dangerous, then we should certainly > respond; but we should respond to the information rather than the person. > And if they are jerks, and freak out when anyone confronts them or has a > different opinion. Let it go or take it off list so we don=99t all have to > read twenty emails going back and forth about little issues, grammar > mistakes, personality issues etc. > > > Maybe it would be helpful to come up with a list of =9CList etiquet te > suggestions=9D here=99s my start. > > > 1. NEW BUILDERS =9CNEWBIES=9D ARE IMPORTANT, SHOULD BE RESPECTED AND > ARE ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THE LIST EXISTS. WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PIET > BUILDERS. BECAUSE THEY ARE NEW BUILDERS, THEY WILL ASK THE SAME QUESTION S > YOU ASKED WHEN YOU WERE A NEW BUILDER AND THEY WONT KNOW ABOUT, OR MIGHT > NOT FIND THE ANSWER EASILY IN THE ARCHIVE. > > 2. IF DIVERSE OPINIONS ARE HELD, ADDRESS/FOCUS ON THE ISSUE RATHER > THAN THE INDIVIDUAL. > > 3. STAY POSITIVE, HELPFUL AND GENTLEMANLY (GENTLEWOMANLY) > > 4. BEAR WITH THE ANNOYING PEOPLE, THEY USUALLY DISAPPEAR. IF YOU > MUST CONFRONT THEM, DO IT OFF THE LIST > > 5. IF SOMEONE PERSISTS ON USING OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE, IMMEDIATELY > CONTACT MATT DRALLE AND HAVE THEM WARNED/BLOCKED > > 6. ?? > > > I think we=99d all do well to remember grandmas advice, IF YOU DON =99T HAVE > ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, DON=99T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. > > > Douwe > > > * > =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
First, notice it says to screw the stab to the fuse. Most people through bolt. If you do through bolt, use AN3 (or smaller), so as not to compromise the longerons, or extend the scarf plate there to overlap where the through bolts are. With all the tail bracing, that fastener doesn't need to do very much on it's own, screws as mentioned really are good enough. I don't have a shim at all there. It bothered me at first, but think about it. The rest of the stab is just cantilevered into the wind, so that bit there above the fuse isn't gonna hurt a thing. Insofar as 1/8 or 3/16... it really depends on how much gap you have there, it really can vary quite a bit with plywood not really being solid imperial dimensions. Also, how much sanding you do, layers of fabric... if you use a shim, cut to fit. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428758#428758 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
WA
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Aero engineer, Seattle... c'mon Brian... spill the beans... We're dying to see some honeycomb used somewhere in a Piet! Have ya been to or planning on Brodhead? Been up in a Piet yet? I gave THREE rides this year to guys WELL along in a Piet project (ok, one was already DONE, legal to fly!) and had never even been in one. Surely we can help ya find someone fairly local or on one of your regular travel routes. Welcome aboard! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428759#428759 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wood bending irony... but great sandpaper source
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
I quit buying from catalogs years ago, but unfortunately still get some junk snail and email. Haven't gotten anything from this company in years (well, once in the last 10, just a few months ago, an 18' long sanding belt...). TODAY I got this junk email, about wood bending. Kinda funny in light of the recent discussions on wood bending. Probably pretty good info, albeit a bit much for capstrips. However, and more appropriately, THIS IS THE COMPANY if you need sandpaper, OF ANY KIND. Simply the best I've EVER used. They sell a "cutoff assortment" of stuff. I got one 15 years ago and haven't used a third yet. You just can't wear it out. Works GREAT for all sorts of sanding blocks and such. Great EAA chapter group buy or something, divy it up amongst friends. DO NOT GET what they call "coarse" sandpaper, they're talking like 40 grit! You can sand jagged cement with the stuff, not much application for hand use! You can also get custom belts for no more per inch than anything "standard". That 18' belt I got was thirty bucks. Not bad considering one about 4' long is about eight bucks from big box retailers. I get custom discs from them, no more than normal pricing. I have a 15" disc sander (really not that odd, but not gonna find that size very many places). I have other friends who get 24 and 30 inch discs from them! Also custom "pieces". I got a 12 x 36" piece of wet/dry for a piece of plate glass I have to lap the bottom of planes and plane irons. Been using it for 15 years. Think it was fifteen bucks or so. All the gadget woodworking stuff... yoyo (you're on your own!). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428761#428761 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 3M T-88 glue dispensing gun / spar gluing....
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Jake, Nice! Can I ask what the front spar dimension is - as it seems to be full thickness without any routing. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428762#428762 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 19, 2014
One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper lon gerons. [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFBBAC.1D3EFCF0] [cid:image002.jpg(at)01CFBBAC.1D3EFCF 0] ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Johnkuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 19, 2014
For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did see t hat on the plans... Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote: > On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage, aft er covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND LONGERON." T he stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading edge where the st ab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of 1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edge and the 1/2" X 3/4" pa rt of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the stab with a 1/16' shim to ma ke up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a thicker shim in addition to t he 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn't cover that. OK some of you guy s who are already flying, what did you do? Chuck > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
From: "Don.h(at)wcoil.com" <don.h(at)wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: don't give up---keep building, little by little----you'll
too have a flying Pietenpol someday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like a nice co-pilot and some nice fotos can i use it for a screen saver ? w8zrz On 8/19/2014 11:26 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > > Here is to the good, good people on this list who are sticking with > it, thinking about it, maybe just this summer > > have for the very first time heard about this little airplane called > the Pietenpol. > > Welcome to the list---we're here to help if we can. The > archives/search engine are a great resource > > and if you haven't see the zillion photos that Chris Tracy has > complied on his http://westcoastpiet.com/ site, > > go there for a bunch of ideas, inspiration, and photos. Good stuff. > > Just disregard and delete any posts that have negative or harsh > comments---we are not about that. This is a good group > > and this is a good, honest, wonderful little affordable airplane. > > Here's two photos that will give you all the reasons you need to keep > building OR to start building. Don't let the turkeys > > get you down---you've got an airplane to build and eventually > FLY.....and then to give rides and smiles that come with those > > rides. Here's proof. Go for it. Keep the faith! Keep building! > > Mike C. > > Ohio > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: OUR forum
Date: Aug 19, 2014
I agree whole-heartedly, Douwe. Remember that the reason the FAA allows Experimental Aviation to exist is for Education and Recreation. This list should serve the same purpose. I suppose I'm one of the "old-timers" on this list, in that I was on the original Pietenpol list that Steve Eldridge created and then transitioned to Matronics, back about 1997. In that time I've seen many builders come and go, some real screwballs (Fisherman Ray comes to mind), and have gained a lot of really good friends that I never would have met otherwise. There's an awful lot of good information on this list, with the occasional piece of bad information. It doesn't take too long to figure out who is worth listening to, and who is not. I like the suggestion that before hitting "Send" every lister who has written a post should imagine themselves expounding on this topic at a forum at Brodhead, or Oshkosh. I've presented forums (fora?) at both and believe me, it is a humbling experience. Now, all you builders get off your computers and back to the workshop and make some sawdust! Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: OUR forum Hey all, I completely agree that we all need to work to elevate the "tone" of OUR forum. For many, many months now, I've been troubled by the slide from an upbeat, light and informative group to a more negative, nit-picky and sour-sounding one. I know for a fact this is the reason that many of the older members have removed themselves. As has been observed, this is a shame because they are the very people who patiently answered my questions for ten years while I built. It is not necessary to be negative in any way, nor is it necessary to be overly sensitive and response to every single thing posted that we don't like. It is VERY possible to counter bad-advice or incorrect information in a nice way without getting into a personal "p----ssing contest". If someone posts something stupid or dangerous, then we should certainly respond; but we should respond to the information rather than the person. And if they are jerks, and freak out when anyone confronts them or has a different opinion.. Let it go. or take it off list so we don't all have to read twenty emails going back and forth about little issues, grammar mistakes, personality issues etc. Maybe it would be helpful to come up with a list of "List etiquette suggestions" here's my start. 1. NEW BUILDERS "NEWBIES" ARE IMPORTANT, SHOULD BE RESPECTED AND ARE ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THE LIST EXISTS. WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PIET BUILDERS. BECAUSE THEY ARE NEW BUILDERS, THEY WILL ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS YOU ASKED WHEN YOU WERE A NEW BUILDER AND THEY WONT KNOW ABOUT, OR MIGHT NOT FIND THE ANSWER EASILY IN THE ARCHIVE. 2. IF DIVERSE OPINIONS ARE HELD, ADDRESS/FOCUS ON THE ISSUE RATHER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL. 3. STAY POSITIVE, HELPFUL AND GENTLEMANLY (GENTLEWOMANLY) 4. BEAR WITH THE ANNOYING PEOPLE, THEY USUALLY DISAPPEAR. IF YOU MUST CONFRONT THEM, DO IT OFF THE LIST 5. IF SOMEONE PERSISTS ON USING OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE, IMMEDIATELY CONTACT MATT DRALLE AND HAVE THEM WARNED/BLOCKED 6. ?? I think we'd all do well to remember grandmas advice, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 3M T-88 glue dispensing gun / spar gluing....
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Yes, the front spars have no routing. I do not have the height number, but they are about 0.9" thick. My rear spars are a full 1.0" and were routed with 1/4" deep pockets. -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428768#428768 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wood bending irony... but great sandpaper source
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Tools, Great to know that we can buy sandpaper that doesn't wear out and odd sizes can be had. I like it. One question though, Who or where is this place? Maybe you said but I don't see it. Maybe (bad reading comprehension)that's why I didn't do so well in school when I was a kid? Hope you don't have sore ribs after this poking. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428769#428769 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) -
Seattle, WA
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Hello Brian in Seattle=2C My name is Craig Aho and have built and currently building an Air Camper. If you ever feel like some local input feel free t o contact me. 425-778-7650 Date: Tue=2C 19 Aug 2014 08:12:44 -0700 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - S eattle=2C WA From: rieger.brian12(at)gmail.com Hello=2C My name is Brian=2C I'm a pilot and aero engineer=2C and am currently build ing a Pietenpol Air Camper in Seattle. Here's a link to my photo log of the build: http://riegerpietenpol.tumblr.com/ =0A I have browsed this list-serve for a little while and have already learned a ton. I hope to contribute to this community in some way while I continue to learn and also find local Pietenpol flyers / builders. =0A Brian =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wood bending irony... but great sandpaper source
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Tools, maybe I missed it... The name? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:46 AM, "tools" wrote: > > > I quit buying from catalogs years ago, but unfortunately still get some junk snail and email. > > Haven't gotten anything from this company in years (well, once in the last 10, just a few months ago, an 18' long sanding belt...). > > TODAY I got this junk email, about wood bending. Kinda funny in light of the recent discussions on wood bending. Probably pretty good info, albeit a bit much for capstrips. > > However, and more appropriately, THIS IS THE COMPANY if you need sandpaper, OF ANY KIND. Simply the best I've EVER used. > > They sell a "cutoff assortment" of stuff. I got one 15 years ago and haven't used a third yet. You just can't wear it out. Works GREAT for all sorts of sanding blocks and such. Great EAA chapter group buy or something, divy it up amongst friends. DO NOT GET what they call "coarse" sandpaper, they're talking like 40 grit! You can sand jagged cement with the stuff, not much application for hand use! > > You can also get custom belts for no more per inch than anything "standard". That 18' belt I got was thirty bucks. Not bad considering one about 4' long is about eight bucks from big box retailers. > > I get custom discs from them, no more than normal pricing. I have a 15" disc sander (really not that odd, but not gonna find that size very many places). I have other friends who get 24 and 30 inch discs from them! > > Also custom "pieces". I got a 12 x 36" piece of wet/dry for a piece of plate glass I have to lap the bottom of planes and plane irons. Been using it for 15 years. Think it was fifteen bucks or so. > > All the gadget woodworking stuff... yoyo (you're on your own!). > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428761#428761 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Subject: Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
So, John, how much did you shim between the horiz stab and the fuselage? You gave a response but didn't say how much shim there was. Chuck On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Johnkuhfahl wrote: > For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did see > that on the plans... > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" < > charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote: > > On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage, > after covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND > LONGERON." The stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading > edge where the stab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of > 1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edge > and the 1/2" X 3/4" part of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the stab > with a 1/16' shim to make up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a > thicker shim in addition to the 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn't > cover that. OK some of you guys who are already flying, what did you do? > Chuck > > * > > ================================== > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ================================== > cs.com <http://cs.com> > ================================== > matronics.com/contribution <http://matronics.com/contribution> > ================================== > > * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselage, but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two. Chuck On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper > longerons. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
I will measure the shim for my plane when I get home. Steve D On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Charles N. Campbell < charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote: > Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselage, > but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two. > Chuck > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage > Partners, LLC] wrote: > >> One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper >> longerons. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: 3M T-88 glue dispensing gun....
Date: Aug 19, 2014
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Date: Aug 19, 2014
Subject: Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
This is Steve D. When I got the plane there was THE SHIM and I questioned John and the group on if it was needed. The learned consensus was yes, it is needed. It is on the plans just as a note that says "Shim between longerons and leading edge." Chuck do a simple google search using "Matronics Pietenpol and Shim" and you can read the whole discussion. When I get home I will measure the one I have. Steve D On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Charles N. Campbell < charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote: > So, John, how much did you shim between the horiz stab and the fuselage? > You gave a response but didn't say how much shim there was. Chuck > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Johnkuhfahl > wrote: > >> For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did >> see that on the plans... >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" < >> charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to >> fuselage, after covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE >> AND LONGERON." The stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading >> edge where the stab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of >> 1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edge >> and the 1/2" X 3/4" part of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the stab >> with a 1/16' shim to make up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a >> thicker shim in addition to the 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn't >> cover that. OK some of you guys who are already flying, what did you do? >> Chuck >> >> * >> >> ========= >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========= >> cs.com <http://cs.com/> >> ========= >> matronics.com/contribution <http://matronics.com/contribution> >> ========= >> >> * >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 3M T-88 glue dispensing gun....
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Jeff, yes the tips themselves can be removed and discarded, then there is a cap that goes on the tubes to save the unused contents for another time. You can buy extra tips or you can dispense the resin/hardener without a tip and mix it in the traditional way. The extra tips are a couple bucks each. I buy the 50 mL cartridges of T-88 at "Woodcraft" here in Seattle and they're about $12.50 each. T-88 is made by System Three: http://www.systemthree.com/store/pc/T-88-c27.htm?gclid=COmk1a2CoMACFeg7MgodgXcAvQ System Three also makes an applicator but I like the 3M one better - the reviews on-line give the 3M version five stars. However, 3M is REALLY, REALLY proud of it so it cost (brace yourself) $96. I only plan to need one for my lifetime so what the heck....?!?!? (The System Three gun is only $25) http://www.systemthree.com/store/pc/50mL-Cartridge-Gun-25p231.htm Jake -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428783#428783 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
I did not shim, but eventually tweaked the horizontal leading edges up. Keep in mind, if you shim the horizontal stab, you may have to adjust the vert s tab mounting brackets, so that the rudder still aligns with the tail post. Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Steven Dortch wr ote: > > This is Steve D. When I got the plane there was THE SHIM and I questioned J ohn and the group on if it was needed. The learned consensus was yes, it is n eeded. It is on the plans just as a note that says "Shim between longerons a nd leading edge." > > Chuck do a simple google search using "Matronics Pietenpol and Shim" and y ou can read the whole discussion. When I get home I will measure the one I h ave. > > Steve D > >> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: >> So, John, how much did you shim between the horiz stab and the fuselage? You gave a response but didn't say how much shim there was. Chuck >> >> >>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Johnkuhfahl wro te: >>> For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did s ee that on the plans... >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" @gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage, a fter covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND LONGERON." The stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading edge where the stab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of 1/8" plywood to f ill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edge and the 1/2" X 3/4" part of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the stab with a 1/16' shim to make up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a thicker shim in addition t o the 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn't cover that. OK some of you g uys who are already flying, what did you do? Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> ========= >>>> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>>> ========= >>>> cs.com >>>> ========= >>>> matronics.com/contribution >>>> ========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wood bending irony... but great sandpaper source
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Oh... would help if I included the link, huh?! http://www.woodworkingshop.com/html/em_25taunton2.html Try that! It's Klingspor, of the sanding company. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428785#428785 ________________________________________________________________________________
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
WA
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Yer off and running! Welcome Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Rieger Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle, WA Hello, My name is Brian, I'm a pilot and aero engineer, and am currently building a Pietenpol Air Camper in Seattle. Here's a link to my photo log of the build: http://riegerpietenpol.tumblr.com/ I have browsed this list-serve for a little while and have already learned a ton. I hope to contribute to this community in some way while I continue to learn and also find local Pietenpol flyers / builders. Brian ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
WA
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Hello!! this is the place where you have to stay in touch for everything: construction technique, missing/wrong things in plans, how to's, wood problems and benefits, metal differences, DIY things, resolve by your own, I like but..., ok I am going to follow the plans, This engine or this other one?, 1045 .. what is this?.. 6061?. i like this number but where is it?. douglas? spruce?... weight?.. I can save something if I use.. Epoxy? Gorila Glue?, Poliuretan adhesives? paint with what?.. Latex?, mhmhhm my wife want... I do not care, I am working on my Piet. ;o))))) Very nice experience, go ahead!!! Regards -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428796#428796 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Mike, The aerodynamicists in the group will have to be the ones to tell you if it will help, but it sure looks way cool! Very nice! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428797#428797 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
From: Bill <wemidy(at)cox.net>
Subject: Sky Scout useful load
Most places where you can find specs for the Sky Scout the useful load is 500 lbs. Air Camper is listed as 520. Pietenpol website shows 456 for the Air Camper and 267 for the Sky Scout. Great discrepancy and would like to know what the true useful load would be. Bill E ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sky Scout useful load
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Same plane... load should be about the same. However, the Scout is technically designed around a much less powerful Model T engine which may account for the number on the website. With only one seat, not sure you could really take advantage of the load capability. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428813#428813 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: latex paint
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
i am practice painting my heath parasol before i oaint my piety.. anyone with lots of experience with latex... paint that is..i have researched some web sites. no one seems to.talk about using an airless. hyde Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428814#428814 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
nice workmanship Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428815#428815 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Contact! Magazine all-Piet issue
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Oscar, Thank you, thank you for all the hard work you did on the most recent issue o f CONTACT. A good friend went to OSH this year and brought me a copy. Fantas tic information, beautiful pictures, very inspirational. I will be sending i n my subscription very soon. And about this list: I agree with Douwe and others who remind us of the grea t things this list has done. I have been building for just over two years, n ow and would not have persisted without you folks. I, too, have made some gr eat friends, although I have not met all of them! Life can be pretty tough s ometimes as we meet people with different personalities than ours who expres s themselves differently. I my business life I met many people with whom I d isagreed, and who disagreed with me. Some even disagreed in a nasty way! But I learned from all of them, sometimes even important facts that could not h ave been learned in any other way! It also pays to have a thick skin to help deal with some of the comments you receive throughout life. On the surface, some comments may be very offensiv e, but upon further thought, there could be some truth in the comment. Anyway, you guys who are building two hole Piets are really offending me and


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