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August 19, 2014 - August 31, 2014



       are making me feel ready bad about my SkyScout.  I.e. The recent picture tr
      ying ti inspire us to keep building:
      
      
        Ray Krause
      Sent from my iPad
      
      > On Aug 18, 2014, at 8:50 PM, "taildrags"  wrote:
      > 
      > 
      > [from Contact! editor, Pat Panzera:]
      > 
      > Friends,
      > 
      > I=99d like to take a moment to let you know that we are about to del
      iver our special, 85th Pietenpol anniversary issue of CONTACT! Magazine, and
       to thank all of you who were at Brodhead or AirVenture and either bought th
      e single issue or went the distance and subscribed to CONTACT! 
      > 
      > And I'd especially like to thank ALL who participated in the making of thi
      s issue. If its wasn't for your generosity of information, we wouldn't have t
      his awesome issue. 
      > 
      > It was our great pleasure to work with these individuals that helped us cr
      eate this special 32 page issue filled with Pietenpol articles: 
      > 
      > http://tinyurl.com/CM-Issue108
      > 
      > Here=99s the table of contents: 
      > 
      > =A2Dan Helsper=99s Ford A Powered Pietenpol.=94 Oscar Zu
      niga introduces us to a special Pietenpol built by Dan Helsper, who did his b
      est to stick to the plans wherever practical, including the engine.
      > 
      > =A2Ol=99 Tattered Wingtips.=94 Pietenpol patriarch Donal
      d =9CDoc=9D Mosher tells of some of the inside tips that help fi
      ll in the gaps left in the various Pietenpol plan sets currently available.
      > 
      > =A2Got Gas?=94 Steve Williamson, President of EAA Chapter 1279
       based at French Valley Airport, gives us a little insight into the traps th
      at can arise when building a plane as a chapter, and details the fuel system
       in the Pietenpol they built.
      > 
      > =A21937 Pietenpol Air Camper NX308MB=94 Gary Boothe shares his
        story of building this simple yet elegant version of Bernard Pietenpol
      =99s Corvair-powered Air Camper, as a tribute to his father.
      > 
      > =A2Greg Bacon=99s Turbo Subaru EA-82T Pietenpol Air Camper
      =94 Oscar Zuniga presents the tale of =9CMountain Piet,=9D a str
      aightforward incarnation designed to be flown from a field in Colorado with a
       summertime density altitude approaching 11,000 feet.
      > 
      > =A2Chris Rusch=99s =9CMitsuPIETshi=9D Air Camper
      =94 Oscar Zuniga highlights some of the many details that make this Air C
      amper unique, including the Mitsubishi forklift engine that was overhauled b
      efore being adapted to its new chore of powering a classic bird.
      > 
      > =A211th Annual Alternative Engine Round-Up=94 The fine people f
      rom EAA Chapter 1279 have stepped up and offered to cohost our annual fly-in
      . This year;s event will be held on Saturday, September 27th at the French V
      alley Airport near Temecula California.
      > 
      > If you=99re interested in receiving CONTACT! Magazine, please contac
      t us by phone, e-mail, or just simply drop a check in the mail to us and we
      =99ll enter you into our database just in time to receive this issue. The
       link to our subscription page is at the very bottom of this note.
      > 
      > Please remember that CONTACT! Magazine is a recognized 501(c)3 non-profit,
       educational resource. We publish CONTACT! not as a moneymaking endeavor, bu
      t rather as a labor of love- love for experimental aviation. 
      > 
      > As previously stated, we just returned from a very successful trip to Brod
      head and Oshkosh. We met some great people with some new products and intere
      sting planes that we=99ll be writing about in upcoming issues and I kn
      ow you won=99t want to miss out.
      > 
      > Additionally, we finally picked up the full-color version of Alternative E
      ngines Volume 4 from the printer just before I left for OSH. I had a good su
      pply of them at Brodhead and AirVenture and totally sold out by the third da
      y. While I was away at the show, my wife Veronica mailed out several hundred
       to those who were kind enough to preorder so that we would have the funds t
      o self-publish. She=99s still not done so if you preordered and haven
      =99t received yours yet, hang in there a few more weeks. If you haven
      =99t ordered yours yet, now is the time to do it!  
      > 
      > We=99ve had the less expensive black and white version in stock for q
      uite a while now and the are always available.  If you=99d like to kno
      w more about the book, please visit:
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From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Thanks, Charles. I just did this the other day to attach my Horizontal stabi lizer. But I have an allied question. I see that many folks put their planes completely together during the rigging process, which I am doing. The quest ion is : how do you allow for thickness change during covering? For example, the brackets holding the vertical stabilizer to the horizontal stabilizer.. .if you drill the brackets AND the holes in the vertical stabilizer, the hol es will not match up after the vertical stabilizer is covered, right? There w ill be two thicknesses of fabric on the bottom of the stab, plus a tape. Or d o you just allow enough space between the two stabs when drilling the holes a nd keep the stabs separated, or drill these holes after covering? There are other locations where this occurs. Could not find a way to search for this in the forum! Thanks, Ray Krause Building SkyScout Sent from my iPad > On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:36 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote: > > Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselage, but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two. C huck > > >> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Part ners, LLC] wrote: >> One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper l ongerons. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Are the stabilizers rib stitched? Any degree numbers for up/down of the elev ators, and side movement of the rudders? Did not try to search this out in the archives, but I will if no one respond s! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Steven Dortch wr ote: > > I will measure the shim for my plane when I get home. > > Steve D > >> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: >> Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselage , but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two. C huck >> >> >>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Par tners, LLC] wrote: >>> One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper l ongerons. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Ray, I did what you've described. That is, I fully assembled the airplane in skeletal form, including making the brackets, drillling holes, and fastening things together with AN hardware. Only after I did that did it dawn on me that things might not align after covering and painting all the various pieces. Worrying late into the night, I worked out a "Plan B" involving lots of hardwood dowels glued into the holes. Other than lost sleep, everything turned out fine. The fabric, even with paint, is remarkably thin. I never had to implement "Plan B". All the pieces went back together just like they were supposed to. Cheers, Ken On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > Thanks, Charles. I just did this the other day to attach my Horizontal > stabilizer. But I have an allied question. I see that many folks put their > planes completely together during the rigging process, which I am doing. > The question is : how do you allow for thickness change during covering? > For example, the brackets holding the vertical stabilizer to the horizontal > stabilizer...if you drill the brackets AND the holes in the vertical > stabilizer, the holes will not match up after the vertical stabilizer is > covered, right? There will be two thicknesses of fabric on the bottom of > the stab, plus a tape. Or do you just allow enough space between the two > stabs when drilling the holes and keep the stabs separated, or drill these > holes after covering? There are other locations where this occurs. > > Could not find a way to search for this in the forum! > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > Building SkyScout > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:36 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" < > charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote: > > Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselage, > but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two. > Chuck > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage > Partners, LLC] wrote: > >> One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper >> longerons. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Gary, Did you "tweak them up" using the guy wires? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > I did not shim, but eventually tweaked the horizontal leading edges up. Ke ep in mind, if you shim the horizontal stab, you may have to adjust the vert stab mounting brackets, so that the rudder still aligns with the tail post. > > Gary > NX308MB > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Steven Dortch w rote: >> >> This is Steve D. When I got the plane there was THE SHIM and I questioned John and the group on if it was needed. The learned consensus was yes, it i s needed. It is on the plans just as a note that says "Shim between longeron s and leading edge." >> >> Chuck do a simple google search using "Matronics Pietenpol and Shim" and you can read the whole discussion. When I get home I will measure the one I have. >> >> Steve D >> >>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: >>> So, John, how much did you shim between the horiz stab and the fuselage? You gave a response but didn't say how much shim there was. Chuck >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Johnkuhfahl wr ote: >>>> For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did s ee that on the plans... >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote: >>>> >>>>> On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage, after covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND LONGERON ." The stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading edge where t he stab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of 1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edge and the 1/2" X 3/ 4" part of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the stab with a 1/16' shim t o make up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a thicker shim in addition to the 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn't cover that. OK some of yo u guys who are already flying, what did you do? Chuck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========= >>>>> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>>>> ========= >>>>> cs.com >>>>> ========= >>>>> matronics.com/contribution >>>>> ========= >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> ttp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Blue Skies, >> Steve D > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Ray, +/- 25=81=B0 will work on the elevators. Rudder should travel up to, but not interfere with, the elevators. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:49 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage Are the stabilizers rib stitched? Any degree numbers for up/down of the elevators, and side movement of the rudders? Did not try to search this out in the archives, but I will if no one responds! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Steven Dortch wrote: I will measure the shim for my plane when I get home. Steve D On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselage, but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two. Chuck On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper longerons. -- Blue Skies, Steve D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Thanks, Gary. Twenty- five is what I think I have on the Sonex, wonder if th is is a standard number? I will go with as much rudder as I can get. Been f lying the Aeronca the last few days with 90 degree cross winds, can never ha ve enough rudder! You saved me again, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Aug 19, 2014, at 9:03 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Ray, > > +/- 25=81=B0 will work on the elevators. Rudder should travel up to, bu t not interfere with, the elevators. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:49 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage > > Are the stabilizers rib stitched? Any degree numbers for up/down of the el evators, and side movement of the rudders? > > Did not try to search this out in the archives, but I will if no one respo nds! > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Steven Dortch wr ote: > > I will measure the shim for my plane when I get home. > > Steve D > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Charles N. Campbell @gmail.com> wrote: > Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselage, but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two. C huck > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partn ers, LLC] wrote: > One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper lo ngerons. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Thanks, Ken. I have not drilled the holes for the vert stab brackets, yet. T hink I will just wait till it is covered, it will be first. I sure don't wa nt to lose any sleep! Thanks, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Aug 19, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > > Ray, I did what you've described. That is, I fully assembled the airplane in skeletal form, including making the brackets, drillling holes, and faste ning things together with AN hardware. Only after I did that did it dawn on me that things might not align after covering and painting all the various p ieces. Worrying late into the night, I worked out a "Plan B" involving lots of hardwood dowels glued into the holes. Other than lost sleep, everything turned out fine. The fabric, even with paint, is remarkably thin. I never h ad to implement "Plan B". All the pieces went back together just like they w ere supposed to. Cheers, Ken > > >> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Ray Krause w rote: >> Thanks, Charles. I just did this the other day to attach my Horizontal st abilizer. But I have an allied question. I see that many folks put their pla nes completely together during the rigging process, which I am doing. The qu estion is : how do you allow for thickness change during covering? For examp le, the brackets holding the vertical stabilizer to the horizontal stabilize r...if you drill the brackets AND the holes in the vertical stabilizer, the h oles will not match up after the vertical stabilizer is covered, right? Ther e will be two thicknesses of fabric on the bottom of the stab, plus a tape. O r do you just allow enough space between the two stabs when drilling the hol es and keep the stabs separated, or drill these holes after covering? There are other locations where this occurs. >> >> Could not find a way to search for this in the forum! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> Building SkyScout >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:36 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" @gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselag e, but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two. Chuck >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Pa rtners, LLC] wrote: >>>> One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper longerons. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
WA
From: "Riegerb" <rieger.brian12(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
- I created a forum account (rieger.brian12(at)gmail.com) - Thank you all for the kind welcome - glad to find a great community for the Pietenpol. I have been working on the Piet itself for a little over a month (spent a chunk of time beforehand building the table, gathering tools, finding the right workshop space in town, etc..). I have never flown in a Pietenpol - would like to change that soon! My plan is to visit Broadhead next year, a day or two before Oshkosh and then drive up to Oshkosh for a couple days (probably attend the Corvair engine workshop); is it a good plan from your experience? I would say I'm leaning towards the Corvair powerplant based on the anecdotal experiences / recommendations I have read online and the strong community support for it. However, I'm certainly not against the A65 although I do plan to carry two passengers and would like the ability to get out of short grass strips (at elevation possibly). I haven't come across any performance data comparing these two engines on the Piet (or any other engine for that matter) and am very curious how the performance changes. Brian Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428829#428829 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
WA
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
Brian, Based on my A65 Piet, and a ride in Kevin Purtee's Corvair powered Piet, his seemed to have a lot more zip. I do like the A65, but the Corvair is rated at quite a bit more power. Going to Brodhead is a GREAT idea. While you seemed to have already made a lot of the decisions NECESSARY (fuse style, gear style, powerplant), you can verify those decisions (sitting in the various fuses, riding behind various powerplants) and still garner a lot of info about the smaller decisions to make (like covering systems, aux stuff like trim, various tailwheels, wing cutouts, etc). And it's relaxed and fun. Oshkosh is just cool. It's like the Smithsonians, can't do it all at once, just prioritize, be flexible and enjoy it. It's also a great venue for stocking supplies. You can pick up vouchers for free shipping, etc. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428831#428831 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: OUR forum
sounds great.. im=C2- confused with what inappropiate language is. i teac h at a college and none of my students can complete a sentence without usin g the f word including the women in class. we had a rule at school that sai d no inappropiate language. then they removed the rule because no one could decide what the rule meant. even the fcc doesnt know.=C2- personally i h ave a list of words that really grate on me but i dont want to stop those w ords from being used. i just put up with them. its called tolerance. i have a daughter that is a surgeon. she says that the=C2- f word is the most u sed word in the operating suite. may i suggest that we start a list of offe nsive words that we all agree that we wont use when referring to our projec ts. the list will be dynamic changing as the demographics of the list chang es. to me it seems that the only word that is off limits is now the n word which was just common language used by lots of folks back in the old days. times change..may i also make the point that some words are just fine to use und er some conditions like puke. puke would be an offensive word over dinner b ecause of the vision it creates in our mind. other times it would be ok to use..another example could be=C2- jesus christ loves you which some peopl e would find offensive while others would find it not=C2-offensive..=C2 - but if used used together=C2-to express a mistake like jesus christ i just cut my=C2- f-----ing main spar 1 inch too short. now thats an examp le of words used separately are just fine but used together might in a few cases offend someone.. so context must be used when making our list..=0A=C2 -ill be the first builder to=C2-happly=C2- agree not to=C2-use any word on our new list,so someone start the list.. i promise not to complain about any word on the list. we also need to consider who will watch and see that we all comply. that way we dont need to depend on the=C2-matronics guy police us..may i also suggest that we have a tribunal to decide the fat e of the offending member and what his punishment should be. im willing to go along with whatever the group decides.. we do need a list of words and c oncepts=0A=0Ahyde =0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:20 PM, Jack Phill ips wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0A =0AI agree whole-hearte dly, Douwe.=C2-=0ARemember that the reason the FAA allows Experimental Av iation to exist is for=0AEducation and Recreation.=C2- This list should s erve the same purpose. =0A=C2- =0AI suppose I=99m one of the =9Cold-timers=9D=0Aon this list, in that I was on the original Pieten pol list that Steve Eldridge=0Acreated and then transitioned to Matronics, back about 1997.=C2- In that time=0AI=99ve seen many builders come and go, some real screwballs (Fisherman Ray=0Acomes to mind), and have gain ed a lot of really good friends that I never would=0Ahave met otherwise.=C2 - There=99s an awful lot of good information on=0Athis list, with t he occasional piece of bad information.=C2- It doesn=99t=0Atake too long to figure out who is worth listening to, and who is not. =0A=C2- =0AI like the suggestion that before hitting =9CSend=9D=0Aevery lister who has written a post should imagine themselves expounding on=0Ath is topic at a forum at Brodhead, or Oshkosh .=C2-=0AI=99ve presente d forums (fora?) at both and believe me, it is a humbling=0Aexperience.=C2 - =0A=C2- =0ANow, all you builders get off your=0Acomputers and back t o the workshop and make some sawdust! =0A=C2- =0AJack Phillips =0ANX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D =0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia =0A=C2 - =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list -server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg=0ASent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014=0A8:34 AM=0ATo : pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: OUR forum =0A=C2 - =0AHey=0Aall, =0A=C2- =0AI=0Acompletely agree that we all need to wor k to elevate the =9Ctone=9D of=0AOUR forum.=C2- For many, man y months now, I=99ve been troubled by the=0Aslide from an upbeat, lig ht and informative group to a more negative, nit-picky=0Aand sour-sounding one. =0A=C2- =0AI=0Aknow for a fact this is the reason that many of the o lder members have removed=0Athemselves.=C2- As has been observed, this is a shame because they are the=0Avery people who patiently answered my quest ions for ten years while I built. =0A=C2- =0AIt=0Ais not necessary to be negative in any way, nor is it necessary to be overly=0Asensitive and respo nse to every single thing posted that we don=99t=0Alike.=C2- It is VERY possible to counter bad-advice or incorrect information=0Ain a nice wa y without getting into a personal =9Cp----ssing contest=9D. =0A =C2- =0AIf=0Asomeone posts something stupid or dangerous, then we should certainly respond;=0Abut we should respond to the information rather than t he person.=C2- And if=0Athey are jerks, and freak out when anyone confron ts them or has a different=0Aopinion. Let it go or take i t off list so we don=99t all have=0Ato read twenty emails going back and forth about little issues, grammar=0Amistakes, personality issues etc. =0A=C2- =0AMaybe=0Ait would be helpful to come up with a list of =9CList etiquette=0Asuggestions=9D here=99s my start. =0A=C2- =0A1.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- NEW BUILDERS =9CNEWBIES =9D=0AARE IMPORTANT, SHOULD BE RESPECTED AND ARE ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THE LIST=0AEXISTS.=C2- WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PIET BUILDERS.=C2- BECAUSE THEY ARE NEW=0ABUILDERS, THEY WILL ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS YOU ASKED WHEN Y OU WERE A NEW=0ABUILDER AND THEY WONT KNOW ABOUT, OR MIGHT NOT FIND THE ANS WER EASILY IN THE=0AARCHIVE. =0A2.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- IF D IVERSE OPINIONS ARE HELD,=0AADDRESS/FOCUS ON THE ISSUE RATHER THAN THE INDI VIDUAL. =0A3.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- STAY POSITIVE, HELPFUL AN D=0AGENTLEMANLY (GENTLEWOMANLY) =0A4.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- B EAR WITH THE ANNOYING PEOPLE,=0ATHEY USUALLY DISAPPEAR.=C2- IF YOU MUST C ONFRONT THEM, DO IT OFF THE LIST =0A5.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- IF SOMEONE PERSISTS ON USING=0AOFFENSIVE LANGUAGE, IMMEDIATELY CONTACT MATT DRALLE AND HAVE THEM=0AWARNED/BLOCKED =0A6.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2- ?? =0A=C2- =0AI=0Athink we=99d all do well to remember grand mas advice, IF YOU DON=99T=0AHAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, DON=99T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL. =0A=C2- =0ADouwe =0A=C2- =0A=C2- =0A=C2-=0A =C2-=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums. ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
WA
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
a piet with a nice strong cont 75, 65 and 85 motors are great choices and very reliable and cheap...personally my first choice is the franklin 90. they run forever. i have flown a piet with a c65 and its a great performer.. one thing nice about a piet is there aint no room for a fat ass on board. my plane will have a c65.. it has a fresh yellow taged overhaul from a good engine shop.. i was too lazy to look for a franklin90. i have a friend with a franklin in it and its a real hot rod. my engine cost 2,700 with two overhauled mags and a overhauled carb. all yellow tagged. the prop was 500.00 certified wood senchnic.. 72x40 climb jim hyde Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428833#428833 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
WA
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
disclaimer i aint recommending an y engine... i do recommend making sure that a real pro does your engine work.. dont be in a hurry to buy one.. spend your time and money building..dont miss a day without doig something on your project.. good luck, jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428834#428834 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: latex paint
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 19, 2014
That's a damn good question... I've used airless sprayers A LOT over the years, but not on a plane. One problem I do forsee is that they're not very good with small protrusions like control horns and such. Every time I got into a closet with shelves, it was HARD to get an even coat without TONS of runs. Those things, real airless sprayers, not the little quart cup Wagner, throw TONS of paint, LIKE RIGHT NOW. They're pressure washers throwin' paint. I have used latex through high quality HVLPs with large nozzles to great effect on cabinets and such requiring decent control and an even coat. They came out looking really great without any paint roller texture or anything. That's all I got! Latex is cheap, give it a shot and let us know how it works. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428835#428835 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Floats
Date: Aug 20, 2014
A short while back there was some interest in float plans. I knew I had something on this somewhere! but, with my huge library i just couldn't seem to find it. Well, I have. I found it because I'm having to cull my vast collection of magazines. I've rented this house for 33 years! Now the owner has sold it. Can you imagine the stuff a painter,sculptor, carver, airplane builder, boat builder, flute and guitar maker might just save because, you never know, this little piece, this big log, this piece of pipe, angle iron, sheet steel and whatever might just be the very thing one day??? Oh well, when it's all done hopefully it will have been a good thing. So, Here it is! Ta Da! Clif "You are the sky. Everything else - it's just the weather." Pema Chodron ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Subject: Something pleasant to view
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Just spotted this for sale. Not Piet but still very nice. http://www.afors.com/index.php?page=adview&adid=30775&imid=0 Regards G ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Ray I used double sided carpet tape that equalled my covering process. We w ill see if it works... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Ray Krause wrote : > > Thanks, Charles. I just did this the other day to attach my Horizontal sta bilizer. But I have an allied question. I see that many folks put their plan es completely together during the rigging process, which I am doing. The que stion is : how do you allow for thickness change during covering? For exampl e, the brackets holding the vertical stabilizer to the horizontal stabilizer ...if you drill the brackets AND the holes in the vertical stabilizer, the h oles will not match up after the vertical stabilizer is covered, right? Ther e will be two thicknesses of fabric on the bottom of the stab, plus a tape. O r do you just allow enough space between the two stabs when drilling the hol es and keep the stabs separated, or drill these holes after covering? There are other locations where this occurs. > > Could not find a way to search for this in the forum! > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > Building SkyScout > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:36 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote: >> >> Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselage , but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two. C huck >> >> >>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Par tners, LLC] wrote: >>> One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper l ongerons. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
Thanks guys.=0AI had hoped others would have posted pictures by now...I'll see if I can find a few more.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch se ats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation Com plete! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: latex paint
Have you tried this website: http://wienerdogaero.com/Latex.php This gentleman held a forum at Oshkosh last month and I was able to attend it. He has achieved some remarkable results and he did use the hvlp sprayers. Regards, John Franklin GN-1 / Corvair 164cid Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX -----Original Message----- >From: Braniff1966 <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> >Sent: Aug 19, 2014 9:59 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint > > >i am practice painting my heath parasol before i oaint my piety.. anyone with lots of experience with latex... paint that is..i have researched some web sites. no one seems to.talk about using an airless. > >hyde > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OUR forum
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Jim, Just as it is inappropriate to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, I believe that it is inappropriate to use the "f-word" in a public forum. I have two daughters , one 18, and the other 22. I get it that kids at that age think the f-word is no big deal. But I, and most others on this forum grew up at a different time. I am no prude when it comes to that word. It is bandied about the cockpit every time I fly and has been for 30+ years. But I wouldn't walk out into the cabin and greet my passengers with "How the f**k are ya?" Since you asked, that is my penny and a half. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA USMC, USMCR, ATP BVD DVD PDQ BBQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428841#428841 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Subject: Re: OUR forum
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
But Terry, I thot the F-word was what Marines say when they don't know the word. That is why they use it ALL the time! For the Army, the F-word is simply a way to express punctuation marks. Blue Skies (Fword Steve D(fword) On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:18 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> > > Jim, > > Just as it is inappropriate to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, I believe > that it is inappropriate to use the "f-word" in a public forum. > > I have two daughters , one 18, and the other 22. I get it that kids at > that age think the f-word is no big deal. But I, and most others on this > forum grew up at a different time. > > I am no prude when it comes to that word. It is bandied about the cockpit > every time I fly and has been for 30+ years. But I wouldn't walk out into > the cabin and greet my passengers with "How the f**k are ya?" > > Since you asked, that is my penny and a half. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > USMC, USMCR, ATP > BVD DVD PDQ BBQ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428841#428841 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Ray, Yes, you do rib stitch all the tail surfaces. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428850#428850 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Ford builders
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Hi Robert, I had Ron Kelly build my engine. He came highly recommended but was very pricey. I only ran my engine about 15 hrs on the test stand and it hasn't flown yet so that's not a lot of time to form a judgement, but it ran solidly. As Mike said, Ken Perkins has had a fair amount of success with his engine(s) and does beautiful work. Good luck, Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: wing progress
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Very nice work Jake! I don't think many routed spars are being used any more, kudos! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: welcome Brian!
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Welcome Brian! Looks like you're doing nice work, and are one of those "neat" builders I've heard about. We look forward to watching you progress over the next few years and hope to be of help!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: stab shim
Date: Aug 20, 2014
What "tools" said is what I did. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: stab shim
Date: Aug 20, 2014
I don't think I have a shim. The stab LE just rests on the longerons, havne't had to adjust anything to fly right. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Brian
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Brian, A very helpful suggestion is to contact Mike Cuy and see if you can get one of his videos, some good proven helpful hints in there. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: latex painting
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Jim Hyde, if I read correctly, you wanted latex painting suggestions? If so, please confirm and I'll tell you what I learned. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Yesjust a bit. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage Gary, Did you "tweak them up" using the guy wires? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: I did not shim, but eventually tweaked the horizontal leading edges up. Keep in mind, if you shim the horizontal stab, you may have to adjust the vert stab mounting brackets, so that the rudder still aligns with the tail post. Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: This is Steve D. When I got the plane there was THE SHIM and I questioned John and the group on if it was needed. The learned consensus was yes, it is needed. It is on the plans just as a note that says "Shim between longerons and leading edge." Chuck do a simple google search using "Matronics Pietenpol and Shim" and you can read the whole discussion. When I get home I will measure the one I have. Steve D On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: So, John, how much did you shim between the horiz stab and the fuselage? You gave a response but didn't say how much shim there was. Chuck On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Johnkuhfahl wrote: For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did see that on the plans... Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote: On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage, after covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND LONGERON." The stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading edge where the stab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of 1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edge and the 1/2" X 3/4" part of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the stab with a 1/16' shim to make up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a thicker shim in addition to the 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn't cover that. OK some of you guys who are already flying, what did you do? Chuck ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com <http://cs.com/> ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D //forums.matronics.com D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Subject: Re: latex paint
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
I painted mine with Latex. I don't think I would have done it any other way. I am still doing some detail work. I tried sponge rollers, and sponge brushes, I could not get a good finish with rolling it on. It came out looking like orange skin. I still have some areas that have this "speed Mod". My buddies rolled on paint job looks wonderful! As good or better than mine. He did It all in one day. I ended up using the Harbor Freight HVLP sprayer with good results. Mine is a 20 foot paintjob. I have struggled with heat. The only time I have to paint it is often around 100 degrees and sometimes with high humidity. But being in San Antonio humidity can zoom down. So with really dry days and washer fluid as a thinner (needed to make latex thin enough to spray) I had some applications come on slightly rough to the touch, But just a touch of very fine sanding fixes that. I have also struggled with paint bleeding under the tape and have had problems with bleed for stencils, though I probably had my paint too thin. I have used: HVLP paint gun. in line Pressure gauge with pressure adjustment, and inline water filter. Harbor freight air brush for some smaller work. Bucket of water to drop disassembled HVLP paint gun in Disposable containers for HVLP paint gun. Wet rag to wipe off mistakes, A lot. xylene to carefully clean up dried mistakes. I do use safety glasses and a good cloth/paper facemask. The fumes are not bad but it cannot be good to breath in particulates. I used a full painting mask and vinyl gloves when painting the metal parts with enamel auto paint. Bad fumes. Check out the videos on it and malcom Morrison's EAA video. that helped a lot. I am a fan of latex. It is fairly easy, non toxic, I could fix mistakes and no one complained about the smell. I am overall happy with the results. Blue (or whatever color you want to paint them.) Skies Steve D On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:11 AM, John Franklin wrote: > > Have you tried this website: http://wienerdogaero.com/Latex.php > > This gentleman held a forum at Oshkosh last month and I was able to attend > it. He has achieved some remarkable results and he did use the hvlp > sprayers. > > Regards, > John Franklin > GN-1 / Corvair 164cid > Prairie Aire 4TA0 > Needville, TX > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Braniff1966 <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> > >Sent: Aug 19, 2014 9:59 PM > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint > > > > > >i am practice painting my heath parasol before i oaint my piety.. anyone > with lots of experience with latex... paint that is..i have researched some > web sites. no one seems to.talk about using an airless. > > > >hyde > > > > > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rub stitching stab
From: Douwe <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Yes, all your tail surfaces should be rib stitched and use the closer spacing as it isn't most definitely in the prop wash Douwe Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Motivation
Date: Aug 20, 2014
With all the fussin' and fightin' that's been going on in the List lately, I thought it appropriate to give some motivation. Here is a video I've posted before, that was taken Sept 5, 2009, just showing what it's like flying in a Pietenpol. This was taken by a friend of mine who shot from the front seat of my Pietenpol, and then took the outside shots while I was giving his wife a ride. This is Smith Mountain lake, in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia. Gorgeous scenery to fly over! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y Since this video was taken my wife and I have finished building our fly-in Bed & Breakfast adjacent to the runway. Check out www.bedfordlandings.com <http://www.bedfordlandings.com/> . Anybody who flies a Pietenpol in gets one night at half price! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: latex painting
yes please send me any experience that you have.=0A=0Ajim =0A=0A=0AOn Wedne sday, August 20, 2014 8:22 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AJim Hyde, if I read correctly, you wanted latex painti ng suggestions?=C2- If so, please confirm and I=99ll tell you what ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: latex paint
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Insofar as humidity, conversion guns will suffer the usual problems especially in humid environments. Turbine based HVLP's (way expensive, but you can rent them) don't have this problem as the air is being compressed to spray, not decompressed. Also, turbine based systems are quite powerful, as are the more expensive conversion guns. The better guns require A LOT of air. But, you can spray latex without thinning (or only thinning as you need for results, not to get it through the gun). Are there many nozzles available for the HF gun? I've heard a lot of good things about that gun, but they were spraying thin materials. Good to know it'll do latex, even if requiring some thinning. If larger nozzles are available, and sufficient air is, it might work just as well as the more expensive ones. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428874#428874 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
A small item...straight axle caps.- I machined these from aluminum round bar stock, I believe they are 6061-T6. Simple lathe work to turn them down to the size/shape I wanted and then milled in the bolt hole and recess.=0A =0ACome owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to share!=0A=0A-=0A If God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: latex paint
From: Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
I like my HF gun with varnish, plan to use it for latex finish coats... Sent from my iPad > On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:29 AM, "tools" wrote: > > > Insofar as humidity, conversion guns will suffer the usual problems especially in humid environments. > > Turbine based HVLP's (way expensive, but you can rent them) don't have this problem as the air is being compressed to spray, not decompressed. > > Also, turbine based systems are quite powerful, as are the more expensive conversion guns. The better guns require A LOT of air. But, you can spray latex without thinning (or only thinning as you need for results, not to get it through the gun). > > Are there many nozzles available for the HF gun? I've heard a lot of good things about that gun, but they were spraying thin materials. Good to know it'll do latex, even if requiring some thinning. If larger nozzles are available, and sufficient air is, it might work just as well as the more expensive ones. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428874#428874 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Motivation
Date: Aug 20, 2014
>From a couple weeks agoMy daughter=99s first flight with meIt was 98=81=B0 when we took off! (5 minute video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpDqSFeuRyI &feature=youtu.be Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motivation With all the fussin=99 and fightin=99 that=99s been going on in the List lately, I thought it appropriate to give some motivation. Here is a video I=99ve posted before, that was taken Sept 5, 2009, just showing what it=99s like flying in a Pietenpol. This was taken by a friend of mine who shot from the front seat of my Pietenpol, and then took the outside shots while I was giving his wife a ride. This is Smith Mountain lake, in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia. Gorgeous scenery to fly over! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y Since this video was taken my wife and I have finished building our fly-in Bed & Breakfast adjacent to the runway. Check out www.bedfordlandings.com <http://www.bedfordlandings.com/> . Anybody who flies a Pietenpol in gets one night at half price! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: elevator travel ---
Date: Aug 20, 2014
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: a few motivational Piet pictures
Date: Aug 20, 2014
[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image002.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] Earl Brown with wife Katrina (from PA) try out Piet for size . [cid:image003.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image004.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730 ] Checkout that very cool use of Larry William's center sec tion for rags/supplies! (Douwe to right of Larry) [cid:image005.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image006.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3 B730] [cid:image007.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image008.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730 ] Kevin's wife Shelley prepares Curt Merdan's daughter for a ride at Brodh ead. Matt Paxton from V A gives a ride to John Recine's Cousin Faith at Brodhead. [cid:image009.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image010.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B 730] Gentleman Jack Phillips and Greg Cardinal at Brodhead. Kevin Pu rtee, Ryan Mueller, Gary Boothe at Brodhead a few years ago. [cid:image011.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image012.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B7 30] Dan Helsper at Brodhead Jack and Susan Textor with Kevin Purtee , center. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Subject: Re: latex paint
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
I am finishing painting mine with Latex. I don't think I would have done it any other way. I am still doing some detail work. I tried sponge rollers, and sponge brushes, I could not get a good finish with rolling it on. It came out looking like orange skin. I still have some areas that have this "speed Mod". My buddies rolled on paint job looks wonderful! As good or better than mine. He did It all in one day. I ended up using the Harbor Freight HVLP sprayer with good results. Mine is a 20 foot paintjob. I have struggled with heat. The only time I have to paint it is often around 100 degrees and sometimes with high humidity. But being in San Antonio humidity can zoom up or down. So with really dry days and washer fluid as a thinner (needed to make latex thin enough to spray) I had some applications come on slightly rough to the touch, even with flotrol in it, But just a touch of very fine sanding fixes that. I have also struggled with paint bleeding under the tape and have had problems with bleed for stencils, though I probably had my paint too thin. I have used: Semigloss latex (all "latex" is really acrylic) paint an HF HVLP paint gun. a in-line Pressure gauge with pressure adjustment, and inline water filter. Harbor freight air brush for some smaller work. Bucket of water to drop disassembled HVLP paint gun into. makes cleanup easy and at my leisure. Disposable containers that go on the HVLP paint gun. Paint filters (a paper funnel with some mesh to strain chunks) Wet rag to wipe off mistakes, A lot. Big pieces of cardboard to practice on and get my settings right before painting. . xylene to carefully clean up dried mistakes. I do use safety glasses and a good cloth/paper facemask. The fumes are not bad but it cannot be good to breath in particulates. I used a full painting mask and vinyl gloves when painting the metal parts with enamel auto paint. Bad fumes. Check out the videos on it and malcom Morrison's painting with latex EAA video. that helped a lot. His planes look better than mine. I am a fan of latex. It is fairly easy, non toxic, I could fix mistakes and no one complained about the smell. I am overall happy with the results. Blue (or whatever color you want to paint them.) Skies Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
From: Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Michael you do nice work! Did mine from brass, will try and dig up some sho ts when I get home. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Michael Perez wrot e: > > A small item...straight axle caps. I machined these from aluminum round b ar stock, I believe they are 6061-T6. Simple lathe work to turn them down to the size/shape I wanted and then milled in the bolt hole and recess. > > Come owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to share! > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete! > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Contact! Magazine all-Piet issue
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Well done Oscar....!!! I want a copy...........! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428883#428883 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Contact! Magazine all-Piet issue
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
P.S. I just ordered it but forgot to specify "the Pietenpol issue" P.P.S. PayPal uses my "legal" name (you'll be able to figure it out) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428884#428884 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
No, this is an Axel Cap.....although I'm not sure how straight.... On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > A small item...straight axle caps. I machined these from aluminum round > bar stock, I believe they are 6061-T6. Simple lathe work to turn them down > to the size/shape I wanted and then milled in the bolt hole and recess. > > Come owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to share! > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
Thanks Jack. Hope you find and post the pictures.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabricat ion/Installation Complete! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
(Man, I really need to pay attention to how I word things...)=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury St rut Fabrication/Installation Complete! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
This could be you when you get finished. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428888#428888 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/liefeldpiet2_680.jpeg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: 3M T-88 glue dispensing gun....
Date: Aug 20, 2014
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From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: stab shim
Date: Aug 20, 2014
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Subject: Re: welcome Brian!
From: "Riegerb" <rieger.brian12(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Thank you for the kind words Douwe =) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428890#428890 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
Date: Aug 20, 2014
I 'milled' these from commercial sprinkler system water pipes. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) A small item...straight axle caps. I machined these from aluminum round bar stock, I believe they are 6061-T6. Simple lathe work to turn them down to the size/shape I wanted and then milled in the bolt hole and recess. Come owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to share! If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: a few motivational Piet pictures
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Mike, I didn't see the attached photos. Please repost. Thanks! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428893#428893 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OUR forum
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Steve, In the Marine Corps I have heard the word used as a noun, a verb, an adjective, as well as an adverb. All in the same sentence! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428911#428911 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OUR forum
From: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Just goes to show the extreme versatility and adaptability of a properly trained Marine. We had similar training in the navy. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 20, 2014, at 3:46 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > > Steve, > > In the Marine Corps I have heard the word used as a noun, a verb, an adjective, as well as an adverb. > > All in the same sentence! > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428911#428911 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Jack, And if the tape proves to be a little too thick, I guess you could add some t o the bottom of the covered stab to make the holes line up. Great idea, I t hink I will do this. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 20, 2014, at 3:14 AM, Jack wrote: > > Ray I used double sided carpet tape that equalled my covering process. We will see if it works... > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > >> On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Ray Krause wrot e: >> >> Thanks, Charles. I just did this the other day to attach my Horizontal st abilizer. But I have an allied question. I see that many folks put their pla nes completely together during the rigging process, which I am doing. The qu estion is : how do you allow for thickness change during covering? For examp le, the brackets holding the vertical stabilizer to the horizontal stabilize r...if you drill the brackets AND the holes in the vertical stabilizer, the h oles will not match up after the vertical stabilizer is covered, right? Ther e will be two thicknesses of fabric on the bottom of the stab, plus a tape. O r do you just allow enough space between the two stabs when drilling the hol es and keep the stabs separated, or drill these holes after covering? There are other locations where this occurs. >> >> Could not find a way to search for this in the forum! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> Building SkyScout >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:36 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" @gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselag e, but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two. Chuck >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Pa rtners, LLC] wrote: >>>> One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper longerons. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> //forums.matronics.com >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Ray, This comes from the U.K. Pietenpol Type Acceptance Data Sheets. I have attached a link to the entire paper, but the applicable part is pasted below. http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TADs/047%20PIETENPOL%20AIRCAMPER.pdf -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428928#428928 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_133.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another Picture
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Oshkosh did provide the motivation for a new throttle quadrant. I put this together in the shop yesterday. I really like the pistol grip. What do you think, leave the handle straight up and down or is there room to bend the lever 45 degrees ? This provides 65 degrees of arc and 2 1/2 inch of travel. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428930#428930 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2014_08_20_192732_580.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Thanks, Scott. I will then be doing that. I thought most did it, but it could not see the tape over the horizontal stab ribs on that picture last night, that is what led to my question. We gotta meet some day, so close, but yet so far. Thanks again, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Aug 20, 2014, at 5:45 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Ray, > > Yes, you do rib stitch all the tail surfaces. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428850#428850 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another Picture
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
I like it! Approaching HOTAS.... Some bend, not a full 45. Cheers! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428933#428933 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Gary, Seems like a great way to make a small correction. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:17 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Yesjust a bit. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:00 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fusela ge > > Gary, > > Did you "tweak them up" using the guy wires? > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > I did not shim, but eventually tweaked the horizontal leading edges up. Ke ep in mind, if you shim the horizontal stab, you may have to adjust the vert stab mounting brackets, so that the rudder still aligns with the tail post. > > Gary > NX308MB > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Steven Dortch wr ote: > > This is Steve D. When I got the plane there was THE SHIM and I questioned J ohn and the group on if it was needed. The learned consensus was yes, it is n eeded. It is on the plans just as a note that says "Shim between longerons a nd leading edge." > > Chuck do a simple google search using "Matronics Pietenpol and Shim" and y ou can read the whole discussion. When I get home I will measure the one I h ave. > > Steve D > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Charles N. Campbell @gmail.com> wrote: > So, John, how much did you shim between the horiz stab and the fuselage? Y ou gave a response but didn't say how much shim there was. Chuck > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Johnkuhfahl wrote : > For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did see that on the plans... > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote: > > On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage, aft er covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND LONGERON." T he stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading edge where the st ab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of 1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edge and the 1/2" X 3/4" pa rt of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the stab with a 1/16' shim to ma ke up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a thicker shim in addition to t he 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn't cover that. OK some of you guy s who are already flying, what did you do? Chuck > > > ========= > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========= > cs.com > ========= > matronics.com/contribution > ========= > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > > > > > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > //forums.matronics.com > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Tail wheel angle?
The angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right. Too much vertical? Not enough? I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble. But I made it several years ago and thought I did it the way some expert recommended. :-) Does it look right or is that somethine that can be determined without actual high speed testing? Suggestions? thanks, Jim in Pryor ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail wheel angle?
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Yes, I think it's angled the wrong way. Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 20, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Jim Markle wrote: > > The angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right. Too much vertical? Not enough? I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble. But I made it several years ago and thought I did it the way some expert recommended. :-) > > Does it look right or is that somethine that can be determined without actual high speed testing? > > Suggestions? > > thanks, > Jim in Pryor > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Rub stitching stab
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Thanks, Douwe, good advice, will do. I am about to order my materials from Stewart Systems. Do you know how much tape and thread you used? Thanks, RAY Sent from my iPad > On Aug 20, 2014, at 7:19 AM, Douwe wrote: > > > Yes, all your tail surfaces should be rib stitched and use the closer spacing as it isn't most definitely in the prop wash > > Douwe > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Subject: Re: Tail wheel angle?
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Jim, I agree with Gary. It should be angled the other way. Ken :) On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > Yes, I think it's angled the wrong way. > > Gary > NX308MB > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 20, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Jim Markle > wrote: > > > > The angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right. Too much vertical? > Not enough? I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble. But I made > it several years ago and thought I did it the way some expert recommended. > :-) > > > > Does it look right or is that somethine that can be determined without > actual high speed testing? > > > > Suggestions? > > > > thanks, > > Jim in Pryor > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: elevator travel ---
Date: Aug 20, 2014
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Subject: Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Steve, I'm dragging my wife and kids to it. How long will you be in town? -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428945#428945 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Subject: Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
We will drive up friday the 5th starting from Austin about noon so we should be at the hotel about 4or 5ish. We will leave at the end of the races on Sunday. Here is some information if you need it. Texas motor speedway tickets (817) 215-8500 Our Seats are in "reserved" with seatbacks, section 110, row 48, seats 15-18. (higher seats and they only cost $10 more. We are staying at the Sleep Inn and Suites Speedway in Roanoke Texas. Litterally one mile from the speedway. So we will walk. website says they still have rooms. You could watch the races from there. You can bring in small coolers with food and even beer in cans. Weather will be hotter than heck Mid 90s. So be ready. Love to meet you if possible. Blue Skies, Steve D On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:58 PM, curtdm(at)gmail.com wrote: > curtdm(at)gmail.com> > > Steve, I'm dragging my wife and kids to it. How long will you be in town? > > -------- > Curt Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428945#428945 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Subject: Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
On second thot since you are about 30 minutes away I would consider staying at home. BTW tickets are for both days. About $60 per reserved seat Heck I should have been a CSOP and fished for an invite to stay at your house! Blue Skies, Steve D On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:58 PM, curtdm(at)gmail.com wrote: > curtdm(at)gmail.com> > > Steve, I'm dragging my wife and kids to it. How long will you be in town? > > -------- > Curt Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428945#428945 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Subject: Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Hope these photos take. On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:43 PM, steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com < steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> wrote: > My shim is very close to 1/4 inch. > > > From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> > To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage > Date: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 9:11 pm > > > Gary, > > Seems like a great way to make a small correction. > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:17 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote : > > > > Yesjust a bit. > > > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:00 PM > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and > fuselage > > > > Gary, > > > > Did you "tweak them up" using the guy wires? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ray Krause > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > > I did not shim, but eventually tweaked the horizontal leading edges up. > Keep in mind, if you shim the horizontal stab, you may have to adjust the > vert stab mounting brackets, so that the rudder still aligns with the tai l > post. > > > > Gary > > NX308MB > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Steven Dortch > wrote: > > > > This is Steve D. When I got the plane there was THE SHIM and I > questioned John and the group on if it was needed. The learned consensus > was yes, it is needed. It is on the plans just as a note that says "Shim > between longerons and leading edge." > > > > Chuck do a simple google search using "Matronics Pietenpol and Shim" > and you can read the whole discussion. When I get home I will measure the > one I have. > > > > Steve D > > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Charles N. Campbell < > charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote: > > So, John, how much did you shim between the horiz stab and the fuselage ? > You gave a response but didn't say how much shim there was. Chuck > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Johnkuhfahl > wrote: > > For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did > see that on the plans... > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" < > charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage, > after covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND > LONGERON." The stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading > edge where the stab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of > 1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edge > and the 1/2" X 3/4" part of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the sta b > with a 1/16' shim to make up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a > thicker shim in addition to the 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn't > cover that. OK some of you guys who are already flying, what did you do? > Chuck > > > > > > ========= > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > ========= > > cs.com > > ========= > > matronics.com/contribution > > ========= > > > > > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > tp://forums.matronics.com > > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > ttp://forums.matronics.com > > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Blue Skies, > > Steve D > > > > > > > > > > > > > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D > > npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D > > //forums.matronics.com > > > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D > > ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D > > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Subject: Re: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
second shot On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: > Hope these photos take. > > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:43 PM, steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com < > steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> wrote: > >> My shim is very close to 1/4 inch. >> >> >> From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> >> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage >> Date: Wed, Aug 20, 2014 9:11 pm >> >> >> Gary, >> >> Seems like a great way to make a small correction. >> >> Ray >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:17 AM, "Gary Boothe" >> wrote: >> > >> > Yesjust a bit. >> > >> > Gary Boothe >> > NX308MB >> > >> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:00 PM >> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and >> fuselage >> > >> > Gary, >> > >> > Did you "tweak them up" using the guy wires? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Ray Krause >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Gary Boothe wrote : >> > >> > I did not shim, but eventually tweaked the horizontal leading edges up . >> Keep in mind, if you shim the horizontal stab, you may have to adjust th e >> vert stab mounting brackets, so that the rudder still aligns with the ta il >> post. >> > >> > Gary >> > NX308MB >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Steven Dortch >> wrote: >> > >> > This is Steve D. When I got the plane there was THE SHIM and I >> questioned John and the group on if it was needed. The learned consensus >> was yes, it is needed. It is on the plans just as a note that says "Shim >> between longerons and leading edge." >> > >> > Chuck do a simple google search using "Matronics Pietenpol and Shim" >> and you can read the whole discussion. When I get home I will measure th e >> one I have. >> > >> > Steve D >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Charles N. Campbell < >> charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote: >> > So, John, how much did you shim between the horiz stab and the >> fuselage? You gave a response but didn't say how much shim there was. >> Chuck >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Johnkuhfahl >> wrote: >> > For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did >> see that on the plans... >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" < >> charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage, >> after covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND >> LONGERON." The stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading >> edge where the stab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of >> 1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edg e >> and the 1/2" X 3/4" part of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the st ab >> with a 1/16' shim to make up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a >> thicker shim in addition to the 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn' t >> cover that. OK some of you guys who are already flying, what did you do ? >> Chuck >> > >> > >> > ========= >> > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> > ========= >> > cs.com >> > ========= >> > matronics.com/contribution >> > ========= >> > >> > >> > >> > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> > tp://forums.matronics.com >> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> > ttp://forums.matronics.com >> > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Blue Skies, >> > Steve D >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D >> > npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> > >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D >> > //forums.matronics.com >> > >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D >> > ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D >> > >> > >> > >> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> > http://forums.matronics.com >> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > >> > >> > >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D >> > >> > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Tail wheel angle?
Date: Aug 20, 2014
Jim, I think it looks correct enough to not change it until you try it. Here is why >From http://www.ehfc.net/tailwheel%20shimmy.pdf "HIGH WINGS Cy Galley Most tail wheels will shimmy quite easily if the design geometry is wrong (most are) or if the friction device (Scott #3234, thrust plate- #4 of diagram) is mis-adjusted or gets grease on it. The first item, geometry is easy to check. The pivot should be vertical, never slanted to the rear of the aircraft. If the pivot is slanted towards the front of the plane, it is O.K. This positioning is controlled by the tail wheel spring. You can replace the spring, or have it re- arched. The re-arching has to be done cold. No heat!" And this too http://www.pierceaero.net/tws.php http://www.pierceaero.net/techdata/tws.jpg However, I will counter with this just to cover myself if my experts are wrong http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/maule_tailwheel.pdf pages 14 and 17 Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel angle? The angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right. Too much vertical? Not enough? I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble. But I made it several years ago and thought I did it the way some expert recommended. :-) Does it look right or is that somethine that can be determined without actual high speed testing? Suggestions? thanks, Jim in Pryor ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 21, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
Gary, who machined the nice aluminum hubs?=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pil ot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Ins tallation Complete ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 21, 2014
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tail wheel angle?
It looks ok. You want the swivel vertical when the load is on the tail whee l, looks like with weight on it it should be just about right.- Ours is a ctually just a little bit too much positive castor (top of swivel pointing forward) with the airplane at gross, but it handles fine.- I think the sm all tailwheels like 3-4 inch help keep the back wheel in the back.- Peopl e always comment that our 4 inch T/W looks small, but when it drags thru th e grass it helps slow down, kind of a tail skid effect.=0A-=0AShad =0A=0A =0AOn Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:43 AM, CatDesigns wr signs(at)att.net>=0A=0AJim, =0A=0AI think it looks correct enough to not chang e it until you try it.=0A=0AHere is why=0A=0A>From http://www.ehfc.net/tail wheel%20shimmy.pdf=0A=0A"HIGH WINGS=0ACy Galley=0AMost tail wheels will shi mmy quite easily if=0Athe design geometry is wrong (most are) or if the=0Af riction device (Scott #3234, thrust plate- #4 of=0Adiagram) is mis-adjusted or gets grease on it.=0AThe first item, geometry is easy to=0Acheck. The p ivot should be vertical, never=0Aslanted to the rear of the aircraft. If th e pivot is=0Aslanted towards the front of the plane, it is O.K.=0AThis posi tioning is controlled by the tail wheel=0Aspring. You can replace the sprin g, or have it re-=0Aarched. The re-arching has to be done cold. No=0Aheat!" =0A=0AAnd this too=0A=0Ahttp://www.pierceaero.net/tws.php=0A=0Ahttp://www.p ierceaero.net/techdata/tws.jpg=0A=0AHowever, I will counter with this just to cover myself if my experts are wrong=0A=0Ahttp://www.bowersflybaby.com/t ech/maule_tailwheel.pdf=0A=0Apages 14 and 17=0A=0A=0AChris=0ASacramento, CA =0AWestcoastPiet.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: ow ner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server @matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle=0ASent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:17 PM=0ATo: Pietenpol List=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel angle? =0A=0AThe angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right.- Too much vertic al?- Not enough?- I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble.- But I made it several years ago and thought I did it the way some expert r ecommended.- :-)=0A=0ADoes it look right or is that somethine that can be determined without actual high speed testing?=0A=0ASuggestions?=0A=0Athank == ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Here are some Mike. Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) A small item...straight axle caps. I machined these from aluminum round bar stock, I believe they are 6061-T6. Simple lathe work to turn them down to the size/shape I wanted and then milled in the bolt hole and recess. Come owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to share! If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Harley Davidson. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:57 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?) Gary, who machined the nice aluminum hubs? If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: latex spraying
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Hey Jim, Here's an article I wrote for the BPA which they never published. It's a lot like what other guys have posted. Good luck! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Anyone else planning on attending the Waynesville fly-in/air show Labor Day Weekend? I will be there, WX allowing. Please look me up and say hi. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Subject: Re: latex spraying
From: "Andre B. Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
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From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Tail wheel angle?
Date: Aug 21, 2014
I'd leave it alone until you try it. You want the shaft to be close to vertical, as yours is. If it deviates from vertical, it should lean slightly forward at the top. The reason for this is that if it leans slightly backward (as mine does), and the tailwheel starts to turn, the further the tailwheel goes off center the more force is put on the tailwheel to continue to turn further. In other words it has negative stability. Tailwheel B Unstable Fwd To illustrate, Tailwheel A has its pivot shaft vertical. No matter what position the tailwheel is in, it is neutrally stable and will stay in that position until something moves it. Tailwheel B has its shaft tilted aft of vertical and is unstable. Once it begins to turn, it will rapidly turn further. Tailwheel C has its shaft tilted forward of vertical. Once it turns, it wants to return to trailing behind the airplane, so more force is required to hold it in the turn. Hopefully this makes some sense. You basically want the tailwheel shaft close to vertical when the airplane is loaded, but if not vertical it is probably preferable to have the shaft tilt slightly forward so the airplane doesn't want to dart off in the weeds every time the tailwheel is turned slightly. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel angle? The angle on my tailwheel just doesn't look right. Too much vertical? Not enough? I know it has to be just right so it won't wobble. But I made it several years ago and thought I did it the way some expert recommended. :-) Does it look right or is that somethine that can be determined without actual high speed testing? Suggestions? thanks, Jim in Pryor ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail wheel angle?
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Hello, Reading this post I recall a proble I saw in my tail wheel time ago, I am doing others things and forget it by the moment, so, may be is the thing it happend to me if the word "shimmy" mean what I think (I do not find a good traduction), so, what SHIMMY mean?, realy, I cant find what it mean.. thank you regards -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428970#428970 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Subject: Re: Tail wheel angle?
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Mario. "Shimmy" is a very rapid back-and-forth shaking of the wheel. Sometimes you'll see it on the wheels of grocery store carts. On the airplane, it can be violent enough to break the springs or attachments that are used to steer the tailwheel. If you figure out the Spanish word, please share it. I'd like to know what it is. Good luck on your build progress, Ken On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:52 AM, giacummo wrote: > > > > Hello, > > Reading this post I recall a proble I saw in my tail wheel time ago, I am > doing others things and forget it by the moment, so, may be is the thing it > happend to me if the word "shimmy" mean what I think (I do not find a good > traduction), so, what SHIMMY mean?, realy, I cant find what it mean.. > > thank you > > regards > > -------- > Mario Giacummo > Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 > Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428970#428970 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Subject: Re: Tail wheel angle?
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Mario, shimmy is very rapid vibration (shaking.) The tailwheel will start going from side to side very fast, usually as you are going fast on landing or takeoff. It can happen to any tailwheel aircraft if it hits a rock as the is planted on the ground. It can be much worse if you have a bad setup. Mechanical things that can lead to shimmy: A wheel out of round, tire inflation or wear, the castor or wheel being loose, steering cables too loose (or tight) or the angle being incorrect. BUT it can happen to a plane with no problems, just not as often and not as severe. The basic way to handle a wheel that is shimmying is to unload the wheel and replant it at a slower speed. Blue Skies, Steve D BTW both my old Cessna 150 and my Vtail Bonanza have had shimmy. We checked air pressure, checked and repacked the wheel bearings, made sure the nosegear was all tight where it should be and within tolerances, and refilled or overhauled the shimmy dampener. All very basic. On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:52 AM, giacummo wrote: > > > > Hello, > > Reading this post I recall a proble I saw in my tail wheel time ago, I am > doing others things and forget it by the moment, so, may be is the thing it > happend to me if the word "shimmy" mean what I think (I do not find a good > traduction), so, what SHIMMY mean?, realy, I cant find what it mean.. > > thank you > > regards > > -------- > Mario Giacummo > Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 > Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428970#428970 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Subject: Re: Tail wheel angle?
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
oscilar On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Steven Dortch wrote: > Mario, shimmy is very rapid vibration (shaking.) The tailwheel will start > going from side to side very fast, usually as you are going fast on landing > or takeoff. > > It can happen to any tailwheel aircraft if it hits a rock as the is > planted on the ground. It can be much worse if you have a bad setup. > > Mechanical things that can lead to shimmy: A wheel out of round, tire > inflation or wear, the castor or wheel being loose, steering cables too > loose (or tight) or the angle being incorrect. > > BUT it can happen to a plane with no problems, just not as often and not > as severe. > > The basic way to handle a wheel that is shimmying is to unload the wheel > and replant it at a slower speed. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > BTW both my old Cessna 150 and my Vtail Bonanza have had shimmy. We > checked air pressure, checked and repacked the wheel bearings, made sure > the nosegear was all tight where it should be and within tolerances, and > refilled or overhauled the shimmy dampener. All very basic. > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:52 AM, giacummo > wrote: > >> mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> >> >> Hello, >> >> Reading this post I recall a proble I saw in my tail wheel time ago, I am >> doing others things and forget it by the moment, so, may be is the thing it >> happend to me if the word "shimmy" mean what I think (I do not find a good >> traduction), so, what SHIMMY mean?, realy, I cant find what it mean.. >> >> thank you >> >> regards >> >> -------- >> Mario Giacummo >> Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 >> Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428970#428970 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 21, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
H.D. does nice work.=0A=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMik e Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Strut Fabrication/Installation Complete! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Motivation
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Many Pietenpol builders and those who have built will appreciate this. I ha d my driveway paved this morning by a crew - all of Portugese descent. Nice guys. They asked me to open my garage door so they could get closer with their big roller and when I did so the work ground to a halt. They all stood there pe rplexed at my upside down fuselage with the varnished wooden gear splayed in the air. The guessing game ensued - boat? Soapbox racer? Airplane! I spent the next 20 minutes giving the crew a tour of the Piet - wheels, fue l tank, prop etc.... Sometimes we take our Piet projects for granted while we build probably beca use we get too close to the work. The fascinated look in these guys faces w as a preview for me into how the Piet will be regarded upon completion. Way m otivating! Scott Knowlton Burlington ON. Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 21, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Motivation
Scott, I try to keep a lid on my "work" at home on various projects, just b ecause I am a private person and would rather not have the neighbors, passe rs-by and the like knowing what I have and what I am doing. So, it was quit e the spectacle when I rolled the plane out into the driveway, tied it to t he back of a car, then proceeded to start the engine. No one had any idea I was building an airplane...of all things.-=0A=0AThe next day my neighbor across and down the street one house asked my boys whom were out on the si dewalk : "Was that a plane I saw in your driveway? It had no wings...how di d your dad get it home?" They proceeded to tell him that I had built it fro m scratch and would be putting the wings on it soon.- I wonder if he expe cts to see me take off down the street in it when finished?=0A=0A-=0AIf G od is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AJury Stru t Fabrication/Installation Complete! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Butt Ribs
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Looking at the center section, it appears there are four "butt" ribs in addition to the 28 wing ribs. Are the butt ribs identical to the wing ribs? I'm building ribs and just want to verify construction of those four before I get that far. Thank you, -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428991#428991 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail wheel angle?
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Thanks to all, its clear now, and of course, it was't the problemI saw in mine. I can not figure what's wrong... when I push the fuselage against the floor, my tailwheel and spring bend to one side... something is out of line, of course, I have no start working on it, but is not the shimmy problem, I did something wrong...lets see. Regards -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428992#428992 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Motivation - Fly Fishing
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
My son Ryan and I found a new use for the Piet last weekend. Fly fishing! So if you haven't worked on your project in a while, get busy! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428995#428995 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_497.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail wheel angle?
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
In my experiences with tail wheels, the shimmy seems to happen when the top is canted too far forward. My set up is just like yours and it tilts just the way yours is with no load. I wouldn't touch s thing, at least till you try it. :-) Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428996#428996 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Subject: Re: Motivation
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
Obrigado! On Aug 21, 2014 9:56 AM, "Scott Knowlton" wrote: > Many Pietenpol builders and those who have built will appreciate this. I > had my driveway paved this morning by a crew - all of Portugese descent. > Nice guys. > They asked me to open my garage door so they could get closer with their > big roller and when I did so the work ground to a halt. They all stood > there perplexed at my upside down fuselage with the varnished wooden gear > splayed in the air. The guessing game ensued - boat? Soapbox racer? > Airplane! > I spent the next 20 minutes giving the crew a tour of the Piet - wheels, > fuel tank, prop etc.... > > Sometimes we take our Piet projects for granted while we build probably > because we get too close to the work. The fascinated look in these guys > faces was a preview for me into how the Piet will be regarded upon > completion. Way motivating! > > Scott Knowlton > Burlington ON. > > > Sent from my iPhone > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 21, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: latex spraying
nks good in what paint =0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:10 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0AHey Jim,=0A=C2 -=0AHere=99s an article I wrote for the BPA which they never publis hed.=C2- It=99s a lot like what other guys have posted.=0A=C2-=0A Good luck!=0A=0A=0ADouwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Butt Ribs
Date: Aug 21, 2014
The steel wing attach fittings go through the end ribs. You can build them wider at the spars, or modify them as needed during fit-up Barry NX973BP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pocono John Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:37 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Butt Ribs --> Looking at the center section, it appears there are four "butt" ribs in addition to the 28 wing ribs. Are the butt ribs identical to the wing ribs? I'm building ribs and just want to verify construction of those four before I get that far. Thank you, -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428991#428991 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail wheel angle?
From: "dfwplt" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Thanks!!! Appreciate the illustrations Jack.. Visual aids really help the simple minded. :-) And to everyone for all the great "real experience" answers! I'm leaving it "as is" for now. Jim in Pryor Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429004#429004 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: latex spraying
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Here is another guy's presentation (given at OSH 2013) on how he does Latex paint for aircraft. http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Latex.htm He's got related info here: http://www.wienerdogaero.com/Latex.php - Pat Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429006#429006 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Don, So cool. I really thought you were going to have a pic of smashed flies on the leading edge. Guess I was wrong. The fish is way better. Fun times and memories that will be remembered and talked about for a lifetime. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429009#429009 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Not that it really matters, that's just one of those really cool pics... But, did you load up the rods, and fly somewhere to go fishing? THAT would be even cooler! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429013#429013 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Yes, it was Fly...Fishing, get it? Not fly fishing, as in with fly rods. Ha! Ryan and I found ourselves on our own for the evening, so I asked him if he wanted to go fishing or flying. He said, "tough question, I want to do both". I thought for a minute, then said I think I can take care of that. We dropped into a little grass strip with a pond at the end of it. Pretty excited, we found a new fishing hole! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429026#429026 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Perfectly put. :) -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429028#429028 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Motivation - Fly Fishing
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Ah... ya, that slipped right past me. I like it! So, the next question... why do we have to get these great ideas from kids?! That's awesome. Heck with a $100 burger, you got $100 fillet-o-fish! I'd keep an eye on him, won't be long and you'll come home to find both the rods and the plane missing.... just sayin'... I'm betting he's already figured out he can carry more fish home without, well, you get the idea. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429032#429032 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: ?Q?RE:_Pietenpol-List:_Waynesville/Red_Stewart_fly-in=3F?
From: "=?utf-8?Q?aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com?=" <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
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Subject: Re: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Douwe,=0A=0A=0AI will be flying the Aeronca over to Blakesburg that weekend...Thursday thru Sunday...can't wait!!=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper =0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Thu, Aug 21, 2014 7:08 am=0AS ubject: Pietenpol-List: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?=0A=0A=0A=0AAnyon e else planning on attending the Waynesville fly-in/air show L abor Day Weekend?=0A =0AI will be there, WX allowing. Pleas =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =============0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Dan will see you there! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:29 PM, danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote: > > Douwe, > > I will be flying the Aeronca over to Blakesburg that weekend...Thursday th ru Sunday...can't wait!! > > Dan Helsper > Loensloe Airfield > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Thu, Aug 21, 2014 7:08 am > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in? > > Anyone else planning on attending the Waynesville fly-in/air show Labor Da y Weekend? > > I will be there, WX allowing. Please look me up and say hi. > > Douwe > ========================= ========================== === --> h==================== ========================== = > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Butt Ribs
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Thank you. I guess you posted a response at the same time I deleted the question. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429043#429043 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2014
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: latex spraying
Douwe Nice article. Would it be okay to post it on the latex section of wienerdog aero.com? I would include a picture that I took of your Piet at Brodhead (a mazing airplane btw). The more we share, the more we learn. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogaero.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:03:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex spraying Hey Jim, Here=99s an article I wrote for the BPA which they never published. I t=99s a lot like what other guys have posted. Good luck! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Terry, Where do you find this stuff? It is amazing what you come up with! Thanks. Very interesting reading. Can you imagine building an "experimental" plane under such regulation? Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:59 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > > Ray, > > This comes from the U.K. Pietenpol Type Acceptance Data Sheets. I have attached a link to the entire paper, but the applicable part is pasted below. > > http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TADs/047%20PIETENPOL%20AIRCAMPER.pdf > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428928#428928 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_133.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Ray Hi! from England. Can you imagine building an "experimental" plane under such regulation? It's not as bad as it first seems. The LAA is between a rock and a hard place as they manage homebuilding effectively on behalf of our CAA (Civil Aviation Authority). Authority being the operative word! Get it wrong and the penalties are high. As you know there are quite a reasonable number of Piets here in UK and many with all types of personalisation passed by the LAA. During a 'scratch' or 'kit' build we can expect as many as 30 progress inspections from a local or nominated Inspector. These would also include Workshop conditions initially too. All in all it works albeit we all moan about delays in sign off etc. We end up with in most cases a well built homebuilt and a good safety record generally. It also means servicing your own aircraft against a regime of Inspection (by LAA Inspector) and Flight Test annually. I personally envy your system until sign off is required which seems from here a bit tough. The 40 hours fly off you have to do also seems high with ours being 5+ hours to gain initial Permit to Fly. Can be longer with new types. Thanks for feeling sorry for us! Donations gratefully received! G ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
Date: Aug 21, 2014
Here's mine. The same only different. I'm pretty sure it would not be a good idea to let God fly your plane. After all, He is immortal and can't be hurt. It won't matter to Him if he were to crash. He might even see it as an interesting experience. You, on the other hand......... :-) Clif The Early Bird may get the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese. A small item...straight axle caps. I machined these from aluminum round bar stock,Come owwwwn now, someone has to have some pictures to share! If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: latex spraying
thanks got any pics of the plane? =0A=0A=0AOn Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:0 0 PM, "gliderx5(at)comcast.net" wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0ADou we=0A=0ANice article. Would it be okay to post it on the latex section of w ienerdogaero.com? I would include a picture that I took of your Piet at Bro dhead (amazing airplane btw). The more we share, the more we learn.=0A=0AMa lcolm Morrison=0Awienerdogaero.com=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0A=0AFrom: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>=0ATo: "Pietenpol " =0ASent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:03:06 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: latex spraying=0A=0A=0AHey Jim,=0A=C2-=0AHe re=99s an article I wrote for the BPA which they never published.=C2 - It=99s a lot like what other guys have posted.=0A=C2-=0AGood lu ======================= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Great Jack! Free brats there too? (kidding) after all I miss ed the 2014 BratFest at Brodhead!=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALowensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Jack =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASen t: Thu, Aug 21, 2014 7:07 pm=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wa ynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?=0A=0A=0A=0ADan will see you there!=0A=0A Sent from my iPad=0AJack Textor=0A=0A=0AOn Aug 21, 2014, at 6: 29 PM, danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0ADouwe,=0A=0A=0AI will be flying the Aeronca over to Blakesburg that weekend...Thursday th ru Sunday...can't wait!!=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APurye ar, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Douwe Blumberg <d ouweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Thu, Aug 21, 2014 7:08 am=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?=0A=0A=0A=0AAnyone else planning on a ttending the Waynesville fly-in/air show Labor Day Weekend?=0A =0A I will be there, WX allowing. Please look me up and say hi.=0A =0ADouwe=0A=0A================== =========================== ========= --> h============= =========================== =========0A=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: latex article
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Hey Malcom, You're welcome to use the article, though there's nothing in it I didn't "lift" from someone else. FYI, on RE-PIET, the translucent tan parts is simply tinted dope, only the green fabric areas are latex. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Motivation
From: "scudrun" <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Picture yourself in this seat...... Disclaimer...this Piet is modified with pushrods. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429075#429075 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_8230_178.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Subject: Re: Motivation
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
It is hard to see myself in that seat...I can't grow a beard like that until I get totally out of the Army! Doesn't that beard create excessive drag? I love these photos, I learn a lot from them. I really like the windscreens. Blue Skies, Steve D. With a beard, I look like Hamid Karzai. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 8:08 AM, scudrun wrote: > > Picture yourself in this seat...... > > Disclaimer...this Piet is modified with pushrods. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429075#429075 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_8230_178.jpg > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tail wheel angle?
From: "scudrun" <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Aug 22, 2014
NASA did studies on shimmy. You can find the papers online. I downloaded the key ones but can't find right now. From what I remember, when the mechanics of the pivot and angle etc are all done right and there is still shimmy it is most likely due to tire sidewall flex. When the tire deforms and the contact patch deflects sideways then the center of friction is offset from the pivot center line which causes the wheel to change heading. At a certain point a restoring force is created which causes the sidewalls to flex in the opposite direction and if all this happens at a rate which is harmonically related to the natural resonance frequency of the system then you get a powerful shimmy. In this case a stiffer tire or more air will cure it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429081#429081 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Repairman certificate questions
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Jack is 100% correct. You can do what ever you want as far as repairs go. The repairman Cert is for the "Condition Inspection" only. They are not call "annuals" on an experimental airplane. If you make any major changes to your plane like going from a Model A to a Cont engine you would need to comply with what ever your "Operating Limitations" say. The newer ones generally only require a 5 hour fly off in your designated area. My plane requires a 40 hour fly off. I have a very old set of "operating Limitations". Clear as mud now, Right? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429089#429089 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Ray, If you look closely you can see the stitching. Still difficult to see though. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429091#429091 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_106_114.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_107_124.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Subject: Rust
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
I remember a post about a device to remove rust. It used steel rods on the inside of a container and (electrically separated) the rusty item submerged in a solution. I need to do that but can't find the article in the archives. Does anyone remember the approximate date and the author's name -- if known? I really need help!!! Chuck ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2014
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: latex paint
For anyone interested in latex, I just put a very short video on Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX611NL7eHk&feature=youtu.be , that shows the top wing of the Micro Mong biplane that I'm currently working on. The video shows the difference between polishing and not polishing. Both look great. It just depends in the type of finish that you're looking for. I'm a sucker for smooth and shiny. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogaero.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Franklin" <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:11:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint Have you tried this website: http://wienerdogaero.com/Latex.php This gentleman held a forum at Oshkosh last month and I was able to attend it. He has achieved some remarkable results and he did use the hvlp sprayers. Regards, John Franklin GN-1 / Corvair 164cid Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX -----Original Message----- >From: Braniff1966 <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> >Sent: Aug 19, 2014 9:59 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint > > >i am practice painting my heath parasol before i oaint my piety.. anyone with lots of experience with latex... paint that is..i have researched some web sites. no one seems to.talk about using an airless. > >hyde > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rust
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Here are two articles. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429096#429096 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/electrolytic_rust_removal_735.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/rust_removal_using_electrolysis_115.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Thanks, Scott. Now I see. You have some interesting "stuff" in the rear of that plane! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 22, 2014, at 8:03 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Ray, > > If you look closely you can see the stitching. Still difficult to see though. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429091#429091 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_106_114.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_107_124.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Oh, all the secret stuff isn't secret any more, or is it? What could all that strange stuff do? Here's a hint. The black bell crank "rights the wrongs". -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429103#429103 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2014
From: "Don.h(at)wcoil.com" <don.h(at)wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: Rust
Here you go http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQyCkwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D54ADeB6V1rQ&ei=8Gr3U4t9zpjIBP7AgPgD&usg=AFQjCNGqMM0nNMGHj0rM4hlQVRpg4mFemA&bvm=bv.73373277,d.aWw On 8/22/2014 11:32 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: > I remember a post about a device to remove rust. It used steel rods > on the inside of a container and (electrically separated) the rusty > item submerged in a solution. I need to do that but can't find the > article in the archives. Does anyone remember the approximate date > and the author's name -- if known? I really need help!!! Chuck > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
Date: Aug 22, 2014
I need one, maybe many, of those! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 22, 2014, at 9:00 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Oh, all the secret stuff isn't secret any more, or is it? What could all that strange stuff do? Here's a hint. The black bell crank "rights the wrongs". > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429103#429103 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Subject: Re: latex paint
Saw the video, really impressive, I wasn't aware you could create that type of high gloss finish with latex. You'll have to provide the details of exactly what you used and how you did it from start to finish. Seeing that I can only imagine how many others that may be interested in latex paint over some of the more expensive finishes. In a message dated 8/22/2014 11:43:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gliderx5(at)comcast.net writes: For anyone interested in latex, I just put a very short video on Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX611NL7eHk&feature=youtu.be , that shows the top wing of the Micro Mong biplane that I'm currently working on. The video shows the difference between polishing and not polishing. Both look great. It just depends in the type of finish that you're looking for. I'm a sucker for smooth and shiny. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogaero.com ____________________________________ From: "John Franklin" <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:11:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint Have you tried this website: http://wienerdogaero.com/Latex.php This gentleman held a forum at Oshkosh last month and I was able to attend it. He has achieved some remarkable results and he did use the hvlp sprayers. Regards, John Franklin GN-1 / Corvair 164cid Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX -----Original Message----- >From: Braniff1966 <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> >Sent: Aug 19, 2014 9:59 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint > > >i am practice painting my heath parasol before i oaint my piety.. anyone with lots of experience with latex... paint that is..i have researched some web sites. no one seems to.talk about using -Matt Dralle,=========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Malcolm---that is just a beautiful looking result you got using the Sherwin Williams gloss latex and with buffing it looks even better. Unless you really want the flat, unfinished look of latex then the that is okay but yours is the very first latex method I've seen that rivals what we norm ally see on aircraft and auto finishes. Outstanding looking. May I ask what your primer coats (if any) are to fill the weave? You've got some outstanding results there. Mike C. Ohio For anyone interested in latex, I just put a very short video on Youtube, h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX611NL7eHk&feature=youtu.be , that show s the top wing of the Micro Mong biplane that I'm currently working on. The video shows the difference between polishing and not polishing. Both look great. It just depends in the type of finish that you're looking for. I'm a sucker for smooth and shiny. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogaero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Repairman certificate questions
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2014
The answer to your question 2 is "not likely". Here's FAR 65.77 Experience Requirements: Quote Each applicant for a mechanic certificate or rating must present either an appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion from a certificated aviation maintenance technician school or documentary evidence, satisfactory to the Administrator, of (a) At least 18 months of practical experience with the procedures, practices, materials, tools, machine tools, and equipment generally used in constructing, maintaining, or altering airframes, or powerplants appropriate to the rating sought; or (b) At least 30 months of practical experience concurrently performing the duties appropriate to both the airframe and powerplant ratings. End Quote The catch phrase is "satisfactory to the Administrator". Your FSDO would be the point of contact but I'm willing to bet that they would require the experience to be under the direct supervision of a certified mechanic and all work done to "certified" standards. I doubt that work on a Ford or Corvair engine would count as experience toward the powerplant section. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429134#429134 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Repairman certificate questions
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2014
When I was at OSH a year or two ago, we met with the FAA guys, who were surprisingly knowledgable and helpful, regarding this subject. Around that time, EAA started classes for the LSA (only) A&P classes. The classes run for 40 hours - a full week - if memory serves me correctly and are only offered at EAA headquarters at Wittman field. The classes run about $3600. or so. After taking the classes, you have the A&P ticket to do everything on LSA aircraft. Fix 'em, sign 'em off, the whole 9 yards. Now here's the truly neat thing: Once you have 18 months of experience, YOU MAY SIGN YOURSELF OFF AS HAVING HAD THE EXPERIENCE for the full A&P license, and voila, your're a full fledged A&P capable of working on any aircraft! -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429137#429137 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2014
From: Jim Brewer <alpha(at)concordnc.com>
Subject: Re: Rust
Charles, I don't know what you are needing to remove rust from and how quickly you would like to remove it but if you are not in a great hurry I would recommend the molasses method. It is cheap and works very well. Here is a good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq5IUiYMhRM You can get the liquid or dried molasses at a farm feed store. Here in Albemarle, NC you can save money by taking your container with you. With either method (electrolysis or molasses) you should check the part and brush off the residue and then put it back in the solution to finish. This better exposes the surface to the solution. Molasses uses the chelating process to remove the rust. As the electrolysis video mentions...DO NOT use stainless steel for the electrodes as it frees the chromium from the steel and makes the solution a hazardous waste product that can cause harm. I have used both methods and I like the molasses method best. One other note, for the electrolysis method you can get the washing soda (sodium carbonate) at dollar stores or look at swimming pool stores or big box stores for pH balance. Avoid battery chargers that are computer controlled. Just use the cheap ones like in the video. You have to fool the computer controlled ones or they won't work. The amount of current you put in controls the rate of removal up to a point. Slower works best. I think you are a neighbor to the north....right? On 08/22/2014 11:32 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: > I remember a post about a device to remove rust. It used steel rods > on the inside of a container and (electrically separated) the rusty > item submerged in a solution. I need to do that but can't find the > article in the archives. Does anyone remember the approximate date > and the author's name -- if known? I really need help!!! Chuck > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Subject: Re: Repairman certificate questions
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Tom, Once you have 18 months you would be able to go for the Airframe *or* Powerplant rating, but not both. The full A&P is going to require 30 months (documented, of course).... As the Feds note in 65-2, "The documentary evidence specified in 65.77 may take any of the various forms such as letters from present and former employers, military service records, business records, etc, as long as the FAA inspector or advisor who reviews it is able to determine that the type and amount of experience meets the requirement." As Jack notes, it can vary from FSDO to FSDO, examiner to examiner, but generally speaking they are going to want to see proof that you somewhat continuously used the privileges of your LSRM-A ticket during those 30 months....odds are just tinkering with your own aircraft is not going to be sufficient. It would lean more towards the amount of experience you accrue through full-time employment of the ticket during those 30 months. YMMV, consult with your local friendly FAA reps.... -Ryan On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:22 PM, tkreiner wrote: > > When I was at OSH a year or two ago, we met with the FAA guys, who were > surprisingly knowledgable and helpful, regarding this subject. > > Around that time, EAA started classes for the LSA (only) A&P classes. The > classes run for 40 hours - a full week - if memory serves me correctly and > are only offered at EAA headquarters at Wittman field. The classes run > about $3600. or so. > > After taking the classes, you have the A&P ticket to do everything on LSA > aircraft. Fix 'em, sign 'em off, the whole 9 yards. > > Now here's the truly neat thing: Once you have 18 months of experience, > YOU MAY SIGN YOURSELF OFF AS HAVING HAD THE EXPERIENCE for the full A&P > license, and voila, your're a full fledged A&P capable of working on any > aircraft! > > -------- > Tom Kreiner > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429137#429137 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2014
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
Mike Thanks. The polishing is a little extra work, but it really brings out the shine (if that's what you're after). I used 6 coats of Gliddon Gripper gray primer, thinned with water, applied with a foam brush, and sanded with 220 grit dry as a base for the color coats and to fill the weave. I'm trying t o capture as much about the latex process, history, tools, etc as I can on my site at wienerdogaero.com. There are also links to my webinar, slides, a nd other folks sites there. Have a look if you get a chance. Any constructi ve feedback is always appreciated. I'm just trying to share what I, and man y, many others have stumbled on to on using latex on airplanes. I hope it's useful. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogareo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D. Cuy (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nas a.gov> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 2:02:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint Malcolm---that is just a beautiful looking result you got using the Sherwin Williams gloss latex and with buffing it looks even better. Unless you rea lly want the flat, unfinished look of latex then the that is okay but yours is the very first latex method I=99ve seen that rivals what we normally see on aircraft and auto finishes. Outstanding looking. May I ask what your primer coats (if any) are to fill the weave? You =99ve got some outstanding results there. Mike C. Ohio For anyone interested in latex, I just put a very short video on Youtube, h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX611NL7eHk&feature=youtu.be , that show s the top wing of the Micro Mong biplane that I'm currently working on. The video shows the difference between polishing and not polishing. Both look great. It just depends in the type of finish that you're looking for. I'm a sucker for smooth and shiny. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogaero.com === ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Paul, Do you have a link? -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429156#429156 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2014
Subject: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
The only $1500 Pietenpol listed on Barnstormers right now is this "treasure in pieces": http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_926360_1987+Pietenpol+Aircamper.html Although they've pictured a VW engine with that one, not a Corvair..... On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:59 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> > > Paul, > > Do you have a link? > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429156#429156 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
im following ur lead on my heath... im using sherwin williams primer..i nee d to know what kind of buffing compound u are using..i know that u are usin g glidden but i=C2- had already started=0A=0Ajim hyde =0A=0A=0AOn Friday, August 22, 2014 4:58 PM, "gliderx5(at)comcast.net" wro te:=0A =0A=0A=0AMike=0A=0A=0AThanks. The polishing is a little extra work, but it really brings out the shine (if that's what you're after). I used 6 coats of Gliddon Gripper gray primer, thinned with water, applied with a f oam brush, and sanded with 220 grit dry as a base for the color coats and t o fill the weave. I'm trying to capture as much about the latex process, hi story, tools, etc as I can on my site at wienerdogaero.com. There are also links to my webinar, slides, and other folks sites there. Have a look if yo u get a chance. Any constructive feedback is always appreciated. I'm just t rying to share what I, and many, many others have stumbled on to on using l atex on airplanes. I hope it's useful.=0A=0A=0AMalcolm Morrison=0A=0Awiener dogareo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom: "Michael D. Cuy (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" =0ATo: " Pietenpol" =0ASent: Friday, August 22, 2014 2 :02:21 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint =0A =0A=0AMalcolm---that is just a beautiful looking result you got using the S herwin Williams gloss latex and with buffing it looks even better.=C2-=C2 -=C2- Unless you really want the flat, unfinished look of latex then th e that is okay=0Abut yours is the very first latex method I=99ve seen that rivals what we normally see on aircraft and auto finishes.=C2-=C2 - Outstanding looking. =0A=C2-=0AMay I ask what your primer coats (if a ny) are to fill the weave?=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- You=99ve got some outstanding results there.=C2-=C2- =0A=C2-=0AMike C.=0AOhio=0A=C2- =0A=C2-=0AFor anyone interested in latex, I just put a very short video o n Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX611NL7eHk&feature=youtu.be , that shows the top wing of the Micro Mong biplane that I'm currently wor king on. The video shows the difference between polishing and not polishing . Both look great. It just depends in the type of finish that you're lookin g for. I'm a sucker for smooth and shiny.=0A=C2-=0AMalcolm Morrison=0Awie nerdogaero.com=0A=C2-=0A" target="_blank" data-mce-href="http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?P ietenpol-List=0Ata-mce-href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.m atronics.com=0A_blank" data-mce-href="http://www.matronics.com/contributi ===== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Triple Tree Fly-in
From: "gsnewsome" <newfaithkat(at)windstream.net>
Date: Aug 23, 2014
Jack, You may be the only Piet from this forum in attendance. Hope to see you there. Greg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429172#429172 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00
From: Andy Hoots <eflyerc5(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2014
Hi all, I've been a member of the list for a year or so. Haven't posted anything in t he past because I haven't started building yet. I recently retired from a 26 year Air Force career and am in between jobs. Seeing the ad for the Pieten pol project for sale got me thinking about the possibilities of rebuilding/ f inishing a project or just using parts for a new build when I get situated. D oes anyone know the history of this airplane? Any help would be appreciated. Andy Hoots Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2014, at 23:37, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > The only $1500 Pietenpol listed on Barnstormers right now is this "treasur e in pieces": > > http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_926360_1987+Pietenpol+Aircamper.htm l > > Although they've pictured a VW engine with that one, not a Corvair..... > > >> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:59 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: tmail.com> >> >> Paul, >> >> Do you have a link? >> >> -------- >> Semper Fi, >> >> Terry Hand >> Athens, GA >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429156#429156 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet enpol-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2014
Andy welcome to the list! Great that your are moving towards a build/projec t? Personally I would pass on the project. I purchased one and was not hap py with the quality even though it was probably airworthy. The only part I u sed were the wheels and tires after completely redoing them. I ended up sel ling or giving the rest away. I think it would take less time and the same m oney to start from scratch. My opinion, take it for what it's worth. You c an see pictures of my build at www.textors.com. Good luck! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Aug 23, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Andy Hoots wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been a member of the list for a year or so. Haven't posted anything i n the past because I haven't started building yet. I recently retired from a 26 year Air Force career and am in between jobs. Seeing the ad for the Pie tenpol project for sale got me thinking about the possibilities of rebuildin g/ finishing a project or just using parts for a new build when I get situat ed. Does anyone know the history of this airplane? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Andy Hoots > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 22, 2014, at 23:37, Ryan Mueller wrote: >> >> The only $1500 Pietenpol listed on Barnstormers right now is this "treasu re in pieces": >> >> http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_926360_1987+Pietenpol+Aircamper.ht ml >> >> Although they've pictured a VW engine with that one, not a Corvair..... >> >> >>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:59 PM, jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail. com> wrote: otmail.com> >>> >>> Paul, >>> >>> Do you have a link? >>> >>> -------- >>> Semper Fi, >>> >>> Terry Hand >>> Athens, GA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429156#429156 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie tenpol-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> //forums.matronics.com >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 23, 2014
Subject: Follow the plansb
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dDzKIireAw -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00
Date: Aug 23, 2014
Hi Andy! It=99s about time you settled down and got to building! If you need some motivation, just north of you is Ray Krause, in Colusa, coming along nicely with his Sky Scout. Then there is Chris Tracy in Sacramento, Mike Weaver in Lincoln (who should be covering this winter), and you=99re always welcome at my hangar. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00 Andy welcome to the list! Great that your are moving towards a build/project? Personally I would pass on the project. I purchased one and was not happy with the quality even though it was probably airworthy. The only part I used were the wheels and tires after completely redoing them. I ended up selling or giving the rest away. I think it would take less time and the same money to start from scratch. My opinion, take it for what it's worth. You can see pictures of my build at www.textors.com. Good luck! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Aug 23, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Andy Hoots wrote: Hi all, I've been a member of the list for a year or so. Haven't posted anything in the past because I haven't started building yet. I recently retired from a 26 year Air Force career and am in between jobs. Seeing the ad for the Pietenpol project for sale got me thinking about the possibilities of rebuilding/ finishing a project or just using parts for a new build when I get situated. Does anyone know the history of this airplane? Any help would be appreciated. Andy Hoots Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2014, at 23:37, Ryan Mueller wrote: The only $1500 Pietenpol listed on Barnstormers right now is this "treasure in pieces": http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_926360_1987+Pietenpol+Aircamper.ht ml Although they've pictured a VW engine with that one, not a Corvair..... On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:59 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: Paul, Do you have a link? -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429156#429156 br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List FORUMS - _blank">http://forums.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D //forums.matronics.com D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D //forums.matronics.com D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 23, 2014
Subject: Re: Triple Tree Fly-in
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Tablet I'm planning on flying my Piet down from Virginia. Matt Paxton gsnewsome wrote: Jack, You may be the only Piet from this forum in attendance. Hope to see you there. Greg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429172#429172 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00
From: Andy Hoots <eflyerc5(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2014
Thanks For the offer Gary. I've since moved to MI (although probably tempora rily). I really enjoyed coming up and tAking a look at your airplane a few m onths ago. What a beautiful bird! The pictures, and the info you and Chris w ere able to give me will serve me well when I finally start cutting wood. B y the way, I really am missing the NorCal flying weather about now. Daily th understorms and the humidity cuts the visibility to 10 miles at best. Andy Hoots Linwood, MI Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 23, 2014, at 16:28, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Hi Andy! > > It=99s about time you settled down and got to building! If you need s ome motivation, just north of you is Ray Krause, in Colusa, coming along nic ely with his Sky Scout. Then there is Chris Tracy in Sacramento, Mike Weaver in Lincoln (who should be covering this winter), and you=99re always w elcome at my hangar. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 12:55 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500. 00 > > Andy welcome to the list! Great that your are moving towards a build/proj ect? Personally I would pass on the project. I purchased one and was not h appy with the quality even though it was probably airworthy. The only part I used were the wheels and tires after completely redoing them. I ended up s elling or giving the rest away. I think it would take less time and the sam e money to start from scratch. My opinion, take it for what it's worth. Yo u can see pictures of my build at www.textors.com. > Good luck! > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Aug 23, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Andy Hoots wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been a member of the list for a year or so. Haven't posted anything i n the past because I haven't started building yet. I recently retired from a 26 year Air Force career and am in between jobs. Seeing the ad for the Pie tenpol project for sale got me thinking about the possibilities of rebuildin g/ finishing a project or just using parts for a new build when I get situat ed. Does anyone know the history of this airplane? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Andy Hoots > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 22, 2014, at 23:37, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > The only $1500 Pietenpol listed on Barnstormers right now is this "treasur e in pieces": > > http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_926360_1987+Pietenpol+Aircamper.htm l > > Although they've pictured a VW engine with that one, not a Corvair..... > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:59 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: mail.com> > > Paul, > > Do you have a link? > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429156#429156 > > > > > > > > ========== > br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piete npol-List > ========== > FORUMS - > _blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > //forums.matronics.com > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > //forums.matronics.com > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00
Date: Aug 23, 2014
Hi Gang, Just had a great visit with a new builder, Brian who was raised in Davis, Ca , but now works for Boeing in Seattle as an aerospace engineer. He is only 2 5, graduated in engineering from ERU in Florida and made initial contact wit h this forum in the last few weeks. He has started on his Piet and has just f inished the fuselage sides. It is exciting seeing a "young one" starting to b uild a Piet. He is not married, so lots of time to build it! What a dream t hat would be for all of us! I just advised him to buy an old salvage Piet from a friend of his near Seat tle! If he can get it for a good price, he would easily save a lot of money o n parts and pieces. It has the gear, wheels, all the hardware, turnbuckles, e tc. Depending on the quality, it could well be worth a fair salvage price. M aybe, even the one in MI would be worth $1500, depending on what's there. Es pecially if the seller would cut it up and put it in a 4' X 4' for box and s hip it to you. Knowing what I know now, I would have considered it... If it R EALLY HAS ALL THE PARTS! Anyway, really nice to see him, and bring so young, he will bring a lot to t he team! Welcome aboard, Brian. And thanks for the visit. It was great, but too short, Ray Krause And PS: everyone is welcome. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 23, 2014, at 1:28 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Hi Andy! > > It=99s about time you settled down and got to building! If you need s ome motivation, just north of you is Ray Krause, in Colusa, coming along nic ely with his Sky Scout. Then there is Chris Tracy in Sacramento, Mike Weaver in Lincoln (who should be covering this winter), and you=99re always w elcome at my hangar. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 12:55 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500. 00 > > Andy welcome to the list! Great that your are moving towards a build/proj ect? Personally I would pass on the project. I purchased one and was not h appy with the quality even though it was probably airworthy. The only part I used were the wheels and tires after completely redoing them. I ended up s elling or giving the rest away. I think it would take less time and the sam e money to start from scratch. My opinion, take it for what it's worth. Yo u can see pictures of my build at www.textors.com. > Good luck! > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Aug 23, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Andy Hoots wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been a member of the list for a year or so. Haven't posted anything i n the past because I haven't started building yet. I recently retired from a 26 year Air Force career and am in between jobs. Seeing the ad for the Pie tenpol project for sale got me thinking about the possibilities of rebuildin g/ finishing a project or just using parts for a new build when I get situat ed. Does anyone know the history of this airplane? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Andy Hoots > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 22, 2014, at 23:37, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > The only $1500 Pietenpol listed on Barnstormers right now is this "treasur e in pieces": > > http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_926360_1987+Pietenpol+Aircamper.htm l > > Although they've pictured a VW engine with that one, not a Corvair..... > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:59 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: mail.com> > > Paul, > > Do you have a link? > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429156#429156 > > > > > > > > ========== > br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piete npol-List > ========== > FORUMS - > _blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > //forums.matronics.com > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > //forums.matronics.com > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00
Date: Aug 23, 2014
Andy Hoots, Andy, although you are in MI, now, you are welcome to come to my shop for a v isit, if you are ever back in CA again. If you are close to the Piet salvag e, you should inspect it to see what is there. If the gear, turnbuckles and p ulleys are there, it is well worth $1500 in my estimate. Turnbuckles are $40 each, pulleys another $12 each, aileron and elevator and rudder horns, bell cranks, fitting are all valuable. And there are instruments, switches, fuel tank(s) that might be useable. Could be a good thing. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 23, 2014, at 1:28 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Hi Andy! > > It=99s about time you settled down and got to building! If you need s ome motivation, just north of you is Ray Krause, in Colusa, coming along nic ely with his Sky Scout. Then there is Chris Tracy in Sacramento, Mike Weaver in Lincoln (who should be covering this winter), and you=99re always w elcome at my hangar. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 12:55 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500. 00 > > Andy welcome to the list! Great that your are moving towards a build/proj ect? Personally I would pass on the project. I purchased one and was not h appy with the quality even though it was probably airworthy. The only part I used were the wheels and tires after completely redoing them. I ended up s elling or giving the rest away. I think it would take less time and the sam e money to start from scratch. My opinion, take it for what it's worth. Yo u can see pictures of my build at www.textors.com. > Good luck! > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > > On Aug 23, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Andy Hoots wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been a member of the list for a year or so. Haven't posted anything i n the past because I haven't started building yet. I recently retired from a 26 year Air Force career and am in between jobs. Seeing the ad for the Pie tenpol project for sale got me thinking about the possibilities of rebuildin g/ finishing a project or just using parts for a new build when I get situat ed. 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Date: Aug 23, 2014
Subject: Re: Rust
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Yes, Jim, I live in Salisbury. Just moved here from Winston-Salem about a year ago. I'm still plugging along. Some of the parts for my engine (valve cover hardware and covers, primarily and some of my unused sheet steel has developed a little rust that I need to get rid of and then a coat of metal primer. Chuck On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Jim Brewer wrote: > Charles, > I don't know what you are needing to remove rust from and how quickly you > would like to remove it but if you are not in a great hurry I would > recommend the molasses method. It is cheap and works very well. Here is a > good video: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq5IUiYMhRM > > You can get the liquid or dried molasses at a farm feed store. Here in > Albemarle, NC you can save money by taking your container with you. With > either method (electrolysis or molasses) you should check the part and > brush off the residue and then put it back in the solution to finish. This > better exposes the surface to the solution. Molasses uses the chelating > process to remove the rust. As the electrolysis video mentions...DO NOT > use stainless steel for the electrodes as it frees the chromium from the > steel and makes the solution a hazardous waste product that can cause > harm. I have used both methods and I like the molasses method best. One > other note, for the electrolysis method you can get the washing soda > (sodium carbonate) at dollar stores or look at swimming pool stores or big > box stores for pH balance. Avoid battery chargers that are computer > controlled. Just use the cheap ones like in the video. You have to fool > the computer controlled ones or they won't work. The amount of current you > put in controls the rate of removal up to a point. Slower works best. I > think you are a neighbor to the north....right? > > On 08/22/2014 11:32 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: > > I remember a post about a device to remove rust. It used steel rods on > the inside of a container and (electrically separated) the rusty item > submerged in a solution. I need to do that but can't find the article in > the archives. Does anyone remember the approximate date and the author's > name -- if known? I really need help!!! Chuck > > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Follow the plansb
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2014
Awesome - thx for posting.... Fun thing to watch after a full day in the shop. (i followed the instructions) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429198#429198 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Motivation
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 24, 2014
Jerry,=0A=0A=0AWe all have a sphere of influence, and you are using yours for positive things. Good for you, and a good reminder for the rest of us.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfie ld,=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Jerry Dotson =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 7:07 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol- "Jerry Dotson" =0A=0AHere is my motivation. Every fly-in I take the Piet to I ask every child that =0A comes by if they want to sit in my airplane. I wish I had an accurate count but =0Aa good guess that close to 10 0 kids have played with the stick. I love kids and =0Ahave had very little negative results. That warms my heart. Seei ng the looks on =0Atheir faces is my motivation.=0A=0A--------=0A Jerry Dotson=0A=0AFirst flight June 16,2012=0AFlying in phase 2=0A Lycoming O-235 C2C=0AJay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://for ums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429153#429153=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/a4_440.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com// =========================== =========================== =========================== -Matt Dralle, Li =========================== =========================== =====0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Follow the plansb
Date: Aug 24, 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWmIenz_yRE Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Follow the plansb --> Awesome - thx for posting.... Fun thing to watch after a full day in the shop. (i followed the instructions) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429198#429198 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: Follow the plansb
Date: Aug 24, 2014
Was that a Model A Ford engine Popeye was riding about 2/3 through the cartoon? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Follow the plansb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWmIenz_yRE Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Follow the plansb --> Awesome - thx for posting.... Fun thing to watch after a full day in the shop. (i followed the instructions) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429198#429198 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Triple Tree Fly-in
Date: Aug 24, 2014
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From: Andy <eflyerc5(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00
Date: Aug 24, 2014
Thanks for the info Ray. Just got a call back from the seller and it seems that someone from TX has purchased the Piet and is making the long trek up north to get it next week. Andy Hoots Linwood, MI On Aug 23, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > Andy Hoots, > > Andy, although you are in MI, now, you are welcome to come to my shop for a visit, if you are ever back in CA again. If you are close to the Piet salvage, you should inspect it to see what is there. If the gear, turnbuckles and pulleys are there, it is well worth $1500 in my estimate. Turnbuckles are $40 each, pulleys another $12 each, aileron and elevator and rudder horns, bell cranks, fitting are all valuable. And there are instruments, switches, fuel tank(s) that might be useable. Could be a good thing. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 23, 2014, at 1:28 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > >> Hi Andy! >> >> It=92s about time you settled down and got to building! If you need some motivation, just north of you is Ray Krause, in Colusa, coming along nicely with his Sky Scout. Then there is Chris Tracy in Sacramento, Mike Weaver in Lincoln (who should be covering this winter), and you=92re always welcome at my hangar. >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 12:55 PM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Barnstormers PietenpolJoshuaharel $1,500.00 >> >> Andy welcome to the list! Great that your are moving towards a build/project? Personally I would pass on the project. I purchased one and was not happy with the quality even though it was probably airworthy. The only part I used were the wheels and tires after completely redoing them. I ended up selling or giving the rest away. I think it would take less time and the same money to start from scratch. My opinion, take it for what it's worth. You can see pictures of my build at www.textors.com. >> Good luck! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> Jack Textor >> >> On Aug 23, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Andy Hoots wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I've been a member of the list for a year or so. Haven't posted anything in the past because I haven't started building yet. I recently retired from a 26 year Air Force career and am in between jobs. Seeing the ad for the Pietenpol project for sale got me thinking about the possibilities of rebuilding/ finishing a project or just using parts for a new build when I get situated. 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Date: Aug 24, 2014
Subject: Triple Tree
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
If the weather cooperates, I plan on flying the Piet down from Virginia on Friday and staying to Sunday. Matt Paxton NX629ML Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Tablet ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Triple Tree
Date: Aug 24, 2014
I had hopes of going, but the B&B business is being successful beyond all expectations. It kept me from Brodehad this year, and it looks like Triple Tree is going to be out as well. The good news is, we've had some interesting airplanes come to visit us (and have a Monocoupe scheduled for mid-September). Maybe next year. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of woodflier Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Triple Tree If the weather cooperates, I plan on flying the Piet down from Virginia on Friday and staying to Sunday. Matt Paxton NX629ML Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Tablet ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Motivation
Date: Aug 24, 2014
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From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Motivation
Date: Aug 24, 2014
Happy Birthday, Jeffrey! Hey, where did you get the goggles that will fit over the prescription glass es? Guess someone in you line of work would know! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 24, 2014, at 1:04 PM, "Boatright, Jeffrey" wrote: > > Sorry if this is a double post; I didn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t see it sho w up on the list after I sent it last night. > > Here=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s a shortish video from a birthday flight (had to go the day before my birthday due bad weather called out for today). > > There=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s a motivational message at the very end=C3=A2 =82=AC=C2 > > http://youtu.be/zU8V9TzEiGo > > > > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments). > )=C2=AD=C3=C3=9F=C2=A2{l=B97=C2=B6r=B0h=C2=AFM4=C3=93M=1Fi=C3 =87=C5=93=C2=A2=C3=C3=A2z=C2=B9=C3=9E=C3=81=C3=8A.=C2=AE'=C2=ABN=17=C2=8F =B0=C3=AB^=C5=BE=C5=A1%.+-=12f=C2=A2=9DZ+=C2=BAe,z=C3=98^1=C2=AB k=C2=A2x=C5=93=C2=B0=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B4W=C5=A1=C2=B6=C3=C3=9E=C2=B0=C3'=C2 =AF=C5-=06=C2=AD=C2=A2=C2=BBhn=C2=BA0=C2=B1=C3=ABazf=C2=A7=C3=88=C2=B8=C2=AC =C2=B6=C3=ABb=93+bz=C3=8B.r=16=C2=AC.+-R=7F=C3=92=C2=B9=C2=BB=1C=C2=AE *m=C5-=B0=C3=C2=AD=C3=88b=C2=BD=C3=A4=C5=BEj=C2=B7!=0E=C5=92' =93-=C2=9D=C3=AC6=C2=B2=06=C2=BA0=C2=B1=C3-=C2=A1j=C3=91@@=C3=B8h=C2 =B6=B9!j=C2=B7=C5=A1=C2=9D=C3=99=C2=AEr=19=C2=AEr=19=C2=A8=C2=AD=C3 =C2=A1=C2=AD=C3=A7=C3=A1=C2=B6=C3=9A=7F=C3=0C0=84=A2=C2=ABk=C2=A2x=C5=93 =C2=B1=C3=8A&=C3=BC=C3'=C2=AF=C5-=06=C2=AD=C2=A2=C2=B3=C3=A2z=C3=97=C2=A7 =C2=B0K=C5-=C3=8Ba=C2=B6=C3=9A=7F=C3=0C0=84=A2=C2=ABk=C2=A2 x=C5=93=C2=B1=C3=8A&=C3=BC=C3'=C2=AF=C5-=06=C2=AD=C2=A2=C2=B3=C3=A2z=C3=97 =C2=A7=C2=B0K=C5-=C3=8B=7Fh=C3=13D=C3=A3H %=9E=04S =98P=C3=84=99jg =C2=AD=C3=C2=ADr=B0=C3=ADz{Z=93=C3=8A=1A =C2=BD=C2=A8=C2=A5i=C2=B9^=C2=BE&=C2=AD=C3=A5=C5=BElZ+=C2=BAk=1A -=C2=B7=C5=B8-=C3=9Bi=C3=C3=B7=C3=A8=C2=AE=C3=A9=C2=AC=84 =A2=C2=ABk=C2=A2x=C5=93=C2=B1=C3=8A&-=C3=9Bi=C3=C3=B7=C3=A8=C2=AE =C3=A9=C2=AC=84=A2=C2=ABk=C2=A2x=C5=93=C2=B1=C3=8A&=C3=BD=C2=A2=C3=A2=C2=B2 =C3=90=C2=A8=C5=BE=C3=9A=C3=A2n=C3=ABb=C2=A2u=C5=BEm(=C2=ADy8Z=C5=BEL=C2=A8=C2 =B9=C3=BA+=C3=8A=B9=C2=AB=C2=81=C3=A9=C3=9E=C2=AE=B9=C2=AC=C2=B2 =C3i=C2=A2=C2=BBLj=C3=9BC=C2=AD=C2=A9ex=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B4=07f=C5-v=C2=A1 =C2=AD=C3=A7=C3=A1=C2=B6=C3=9A=7F=C3=0C0=84=A2=C2=ABk=C2=A2x=C5=93=C2=B1 =C3=8A&=C3=BD=C3=8A'=C2=B6=C2=B8=BA=C2=BA=C3=98=C2=A8=C5=BE=1Bm=C2=A7=C3 =C3=B0=C3=83 =C5=A1=C2=B6=C2=BA'=B0=C3=8B=1C=C2=A2o=C3=9C=C2=A2{k =B0=C2=BB=C2=AD=C5-=B0=C3k=C3=B6=C3~=B0=C3=AD=C3=BE=C5 =A1=C3=9E=C3=BD=C2=BA=1D=C3=8B=C3=B8m=C5=A1 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Motivation
Date: Aug 25, 2014
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Subject: Re: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?
From: "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2014
My wife and I plan on attending. We will be camping near the flight line Saturday night. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429254#429254 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 25, 2014
Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
I went with Semi Gloss. It is not as shiny, but it does not show flaws as badly. Blue masking tape with "edge block" makes a great deal of difference on how sharp my edges were. The regular masking tape was not very good. Blue Skies, Steve D On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:58 PM, wrote: > Mike > > Thanks. The polishing is a little extra work, but it really brings out th e > shine (if that's what you're after). I used 6 coats of Gliddon Gripper gr ay > primer, thinned with water, applied with a foam brush, and sanded with 22 0 > grit dry as a base for the color coats and to fill the weave. I'm trying to > capture as much about the latex process, history, tools, etc as I can on my > site at wienerdogaero.com. There are also links to my webinar, slides, > and other folks sites there. Have a look if you get a chance. Any > constructive feedback is always appreciated. I'm just trying to share wha t > I, and many, many others have stumbled on to on using latex on airplanes. I > hope it's useful. > > Malcolm Morrison > wienerdogareo.com > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Michael D. Cuy (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" < > michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> > *To: *"Pietenpol" > *Sent: *Friday, August 22, 2014 2:02:21 PM > *Subject: *Pietenpol-List: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint > > Malcolm---that is just a beautiful looking result you got using the > Sherwin Williams gloss latex and with buffing it looks even better. > Unless you really want the flat, unfinished look of latex then the that i s > okay > > but yours is the very first latex method I=99ve seen that rivals wh at we > normally see on aircraft and auto finishes. Outstanding looking. > > > May I ask what your primer coats (if any) are to fill the weave? > You=99ve got some outstanding results there. > > > Mike C. > > Ohio > > > For anyone interested in latex, I just put a very short video on Youtube, > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX611NL7eHk&feature=youtu.be , that s hows > the top wing of the Micro Mong biplane that I'm currently working on. The > video shows the difference between polishing and not polishing. Both look > great. It just depends in the type of finish that you're looking for. I'm a > sucker for smooth and shiny. > > > Malcolm Morrison > > wienerdogaero.com > > > * > > " target="_blank" data-mce-href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?P ietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>">http://w ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?Pietenpol-List> > ta-mce-href="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com > _blank" data-mce-href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > * > =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 25, 2014
Subject: Re: Motivation
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Thanks, Jeff, for posting the link for the goggles. My Daughter-in-Law bought me a pair of goggles and a helmet for last Christmas, but I didn't like the goggles and she took them back and said she was going to exchange them -- but to date she hasn't exchanged them. Sooooo- I ordered a pair like yours. If she comes up with a pair I can use one of the sets for passengers. Chuck On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Boatright, Jeffrey wrote: > Hi Ray, > > Thanks =94 it was a good birthday. The goggles are "Uvex Grand Pri x > Shatter Proof Glass Lens Motorcyle Goggle Clear Night=9D on ebay fo r about > $19: > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Uvex-Grand-Prix-Shatter-Proof-Glass-Lens-Motorcyl e-Goggle-Clear-Night/380966843524?rt=nc > > They are also available from Amazon, I think through the same reseller > (Mile Wide Sports), as =9COpen Cockpit Aviator Goggles by Uvex Shat ter Proof > Glass Lens Clear UV=9D on Amazon for about $25: > > http://amzn.com/B00FN8G4LS > > Kinda neat that Amazon lists them specifically for open-cockpit aviation . > > They are not sold as over-the-glasses, but they do barely fit over my > glasses. I think that they look good compared to many other OTG solutions . > Possibly more importantly, they are made out of shatter-proof glass. So > far, they have held up much better than any plastic-lensed goggles I =99ve > had, including good-quality polycarbonate. They sell replacements lenses > for about $13, but since that=99s only $5 less than for a whole gog gle, I=99m > not sure why you wouldn=99t just buy two. > > HTH, > > Jeff > > -- > > Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO > Professor of Ophthalmology > Emory University School of Medicine > > From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> > Reply-To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" > Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014 at 4:55 PM > To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivation > > Happy Birthday, Jeffrey! > > Hey, where did you get the goggles that will fit over the prescription > glasses? 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Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Aug 25, 2014
I am pretty sure he stated the buffing compound is the 3M product called Finnese-It - it is available in automotive paint stores. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429273#429273 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 25, 2014
Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com>
Scotch 233+ did a phenomenal job masking for latex. This can generally be purchased at an autobody supply shop. See attached photo. It's a light green color. Greg Bacon On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Steven Dortch wrote: > I went with Semi Gloss. It is not as shiny, but it does not show flaws as > badly. > Blue masking tape with "edge block" makes a great deal of difference on > how sharp my edges were. The regular masking tape was not very good. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:58 PM, wrote: > >> Mike >> >> Thanks. The polishing is a little extra work, but it really brings out >> the shine (if that's what you're after). I used 6 coats of Gliddon Gripp er >> gray primer, thinned with water, applied with a foam brush, and sanded w ith >> 220 grit dry as a base for the color coats and to fill the weave. I'm >> trying to capture as much about the latex process, history, tools, etc a s I >> can on my site at wienerdogaero.com. There are also links to my webinar, >> slides, and other folks sites there. Have a look if you get a chance. An y >> constructive feedback is always appreciated. I'm just trying to share wh at >> I, and many, many others have stumbled on to on using latex on airplanes . I >> hope it's useful. >> >> Malcolm Morrison >> wienerdogareo.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Michael D. Cuy (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" < >> michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> >> *To: *"Pietenpol" >> *Sent: *Friday, August 22, 2014 2:02:21 PM >> *Subject: *Pietenpol-List: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint >> >> Malcolm---that is just a beautiful looking result you got using the >> Sherwin Williams gloss latex and with buffing it looks even better. >> Unless you really want the flat, unfinished look of latex then the that is >> okay >> >> but yours is the very first latex method I=99ve seen that rivals w hat we >> normally see on aircraft and auto finishes. Outstanding looking. >> >> >> >> May I ask what your primer coats (if any) are to fill the weave? >> You=99ve got some outstanding results there. >> >> >> >> Mike C. >> >> Ohio >> >> >> >> >> >> For anyone interested in latex, I just put a very short video on Youtube , >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX611NL7eHk&feature=youtu.be , that >> shows the top wing of the Micro Mong biplane that I'm currently working on. >> The video shows the difference between polishing and not polishing. Both >> look great. It just depends in the type of finish that you're looking fo r. >> I'm a sucker for smooth and shiny. >> >> >> >> Malcolm Morrison >> >> wienerdogaero.com >> >> >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank" data-mce-href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>">http:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Naviga tor?Pietenpol-List> >> ta-mce-href="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com >> _blank" data-mce-href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > * > =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 25, 2014
From: Jim Brewer <alpha(at)concordnc.com>
Subject: Re: Rust
I have used Evapo rust. It works well for light surface rust. If you have any deep rusty parts a cheap and good product is "Prep and Prime" phosphoric acid product. This is basically Ospho without the bad smell. You can get a quart of it at Lowes for about $7.00. It converts the rust to iron phosphate which is a black surface. If you have a white surface it is excess phosphoric acid. You can wash that off, dry, and paint and you will be rust free. Hope this helps. Remember, rust never sleeps! ;-) Jim On 08/23/2014 06:58 PM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: > Yes, Jim, I live in Salisbury. Just moved here from Winston-Salem > about a year ago. I'm still plugging along. Some of the parts for my > engine (valve cover hardware and covers, primarily and some of my > unused sheet steel has developed a little rust that I need to get rid > of and then a coat of metal primer. Chuck > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Jim Brewer > wrote: > > Charles, > I don't know what you are needing to remove rust from and how > quickly you would like to remove it but if you are not in a great > hurry I would recommend the molasses method. It is cheap and > works very well. Here is a good video: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq5IUiYMhRM > > You can get the liquid or dried molasses at a farm feed store. > Here in Albemarle, NC you can save money by taking your container > with you. With either method (electrolysis or molasses) you > should check the part and brush off the residue and then put it > back in the solution to finish. This better exposes the surface > to the solution. Molasses uses the chelating process to remove > the rust. As the electrolysis video mentions...DO NOT use > stainless steel for the electrodes as it frees the chromium from > the steel and makes the solution a hazardous waste product that > can cause harm. I have used both methods and I like the molasses > method best. One other note, for the electrolysis method you can > get the washing soda (sodium carbonate) at dollar stores or look > at swimming pool stores or big box stores for pH balance. Avoid > battery chargers that are computer controlled. Just use the cheap > ones like in the video. You have to fool the computer controlled > ones or they won't work. The amount of current you put in > controls the rate of removal up to a point. Slower works best. I > think you are a neighbor to the north....right? > > On 08/22/2014 11:32 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: >> I remember a post about a device to remove rust. It used steel >> rods on the inside of a container and (electrically separated) >> the rusty item submerged in a solution. I need to do that but >> can't find the article in the archives. Does anyone remember the >> approximate date and the author's name -- if known? I really >> need help!!! Chuck >> * >> >> >> * > > * > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
Date: Aug 25, 2014
Good stuff. Be sure and use the "egg crate buffing pad. Not lambs wool. Buy 2 pads=2C one for the coarse and one for the fine to remove swirl marks . I use this combo on restorations and absolutely no swirl marks even in b right sunlight on black paint. Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint > From: anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com > Date: Mon=2C 25 Aug 2014 09:36:14 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > I am pretty sure he stated the buffing compound is the 3M product called Finnese-It - it is available in automotive paint stores. > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429273#429273 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: My Pietenpol Build
From: "rkirk77" <rkirk77(at)cogeco.ca>
Date: Aug 25, 2014
Hi Guys, I am new to building a Pietenpol Air Camper with a 3-piece wing and I've just finished the first rib. I purchased the extra plans and I am kinda having trouble figuring out how many ribs are involved in the construction of this piece. You can see the pics of the construction on my blog site www.pietenpolclub.com and answer back here. Thanks again, Ryan Kirk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429315#429315 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 25, 2014
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
I've added a new Micro Mong page and 2 new videos the the wienerdogaero.com website that show the sanding and polishing process. Each is about 12 minutes long and show the finishing of one panel on the Micro Mong wing. They're not terrible exciting, but they will give you an accurate view of what's involved. The process is simple and doesn't require much for specialized tools, but it does take a little time. I would guess about 6-8 hours total to get both sides of the wing done, but you only do it once. The high gloss might not be what we want on the Piets, but you still might find it interesting. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogareo.com Sanding video https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=ZbYbxblrDRo Polishing video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ6n2diL-RE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug" <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 5:34:46 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint Good stuff. Be sure and use the "egg crate buffing pad. Not lambs wool. Buy 2 pads, one for the coarse and one for the fine to remove swirl marks. I use this combo on restorations and absolutely no swirl marks even in bright sunlight on black paint. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint > From: anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:36:14 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > I am pretty sure he stated the buffing compound is the 3M product called Finnese-It - it is available in automotive paint stores. > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429273#429273 > > > > > > >=========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: My Pietenpol Build
Date: Aug 25, 2014
Welcome, Ryan! Just keep making ribs 'til you're sick and tired, then make a couple dozen more... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rkirk77 Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 3:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Pietenpol Build Hi Guys, I am new to building a Pietenpol Air Camper with a 3-piece wing and I've just finished the first rib. I purchased the extra plans and I am kinda having trouble figuring out how many ribs are involved in the construction of this piece. You can see the pics of the construction on my blog site www.pietenpolclub.com and answer back here. Thanks again, Ryan Kirk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429315#429315 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My Pietenpol Build
From: "rkirk77" <rkirk77(at)cogeco.ca>
Date: Aug 25, 2014
I plan in it.. as a matter of fact I am starting another now right now.. ahah! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429319#429319 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 25, 2014
From: Charles Burkholder <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Spring Landing Gear.
Hello builders, I am in the process of fabricating my split-axle landing gear and have made the switch from bungees to springs. Is there any drawings out there on how to do this? -- Charles Burkholder ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 25, 2014
From: Charles Burkholder <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Waynesville/Red Stewart fly-in?
I wish sooo bad I could be there. Say hi to all my fine freinds down there at Stewarts for me, if you remember! :) Charles B On 8/25/2014 7:18 AM, john francis wrote: > > My wife and I plan on attending. We will be camping near the flight line Saturday night. > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429254#429254 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > -- Charles Burkholder Visit my blog @ http://missionmechfund.blogspot.ca/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Spring Landing Gear.
Date: Aug 25, 2014
Here is one way http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Construction/Untitled-1.JPG Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Burkholder Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 7:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spring Landing Gear. --> Hello builders, I am in the process of fabricating my split-axle landing gear and have made the switch from bungees to springs. Is there any drawings out there on how to do this? -- Charles Burkholder ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Spring Landing Gear.
Date: Aug 25, 2014
And another one Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Burkholder Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 7:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spring Landing Gear. --> Hello builders, I am in the process of fabricating my split-axle landing gear and have made the switch from bungees to springs. Is there any drawings out there on how to do this? -- Charles Burkholder ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: My Pietenpol Build
Date: Aug 25, 2014
32, two will have the centers removed for a fuel tank area. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rkirk77 Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 3:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Pietenpol Build Hi Guys, I am new to building a Pietenpol Air Camper with a 3-piece wing and I've just finished the first rib. I purchased the extra plans and I am kinda having trouble figuring out how many ribs are involved in the construction of this piece. You can see the pics of the construction on my blog site www.pietenpolclub.com and answer back here. Thanks again, Ryan Kirk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429315#429315 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 25, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: My Pietenpol Build
i think that there are 14 ribs per wing plus center section.. its confusing =0A=0Ajim =0A=0A=0AOn Monday, August 25, 2014 11:35 PM, CatDesigns =0A=0A32, two will have the centers removed fo r a fuel tank area.=0A=0A=0AChris=0ASacramento, CA=0AWestcoastPiet.com=0A =0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@mat ronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf O f rkirk77=0ASent: Monday, August 25, 2014 3:54 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr onics.com=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: My Pietenpol Build=0A=0A--> Pietenpol- List message posted by: "rkirk77" =0A=0AHi Guys,=0A=0AI am new to building a Pietenpol Air Camper with a 3-piece wing and I've=0Aju st finished the first rib.- I purchased the extra plans and I am kinda=0A having trouble figuring out how many ribs are involved in the construction =0Aof this piece.=0A=0AYou can see the pics of the construction on my blog site=0Awww.pietenpolclub.com and answer back here.=0A=0AThanks again,=0A=0A Ryan Kirk=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.mat ronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429315#429315=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ================= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again
From: "NX22VY" <curtiss(at)shentel.net>
Date: Aug 26, 2014
Thanks go to Josh Brownell for allowing us to get the original Dixie Mag Switch back. Josh had purchased it for his Taper Wing, but knew how important it was to put it back with Blitzkrieg Piet. Looking forward to trailering up to GrassRoots to pick up the project and collect Ed Sampson's wing (from MN). That and seeing the great gang of antiquers who make GrassRoots the best fly in around. Photo is Ed with his masterpiece. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429337#429337 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing1_129.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Spring Landing Gear.
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2014
Charles I used a combination of the two designs. Scroll down a couple pages to see. You will want to build with slight tension or I guess compression of the springs so they don't rattle. In flight. http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Aug 25, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Charles Burkholder wrote: > > > Hello builders, > I am in the process of fabricating my split-axle landing gear and have made the switch from bungees to springs. Is there any drawings out there on how to do this? > > -- > Charles Burkholder > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2014
Andrew, did you get my private message on the original seat belt? Rob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429338#429338 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Spring Landing Gear.
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2014
Charles, Here is another way of doing it, from William Wynne's website- http://flycorvair.net/2012/10/27/new-die-spring-landing-gear-on-a-pietenpol-10-a-m-4-p-m/ -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429340#429340 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2014
Really interesting an a great how-to video. Would never guess it was house paint, impressive. Has anyone tried this as a top-coat? Sher-Clear 1K - Acrylic Clear Coat (http://protective.sherwin-williams.com/detail.jsp?A=sku-26019%3aproduct-6794) Comes in High-Gloss, Semi-Gloss and Flat. Just curious, WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429352#429352 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
Date: Aug 26, 2014
I would be afraid of using it over latex w/o consulting Sherwin Williams. It says industrial waterborne coatings which is a totally different animal than latex. While both are waterborn one is a latex base and the other is an acrylic base. Most probably a catalyzed acrylic urethane. And if yo can get the gloss with a single coat system wy bother with a base coat/clear coat. Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint > From: Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com > Date: Tue=2C 26 Aug 2014 06:51:46 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > > Really interesting an a great how-to video. Would never guess it was hous e paint=2C impressive. > > Has anyone tried this as a top-coat? Sher-Clear 1K - Acrylic Clear Coat ( http://protective.sherwin-williams.com/detail.jsp?A=sku-26019%3aproduct-6 794) > > Comes in High-Gloss=2C Semi-Gloss and Flat. > > Just curious=2C > WF2 > > -------- > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429352#429352 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2014
Just talked to Sherwin Williams Marine Dept and they stated that it would be no issue to apply it over any of their latex house paints once they are cured. It has the same flexibility as the latex so it will move with it and bond to it. It will also give better UV and surface protection then latex itself. Being a waterborne acrylic it is optically clear, no yellow tint or fading yellow. They said its a high quality clear commercial/industrial topcoat. I may just purchase a quart and try it, sounds like a good top coat over the house latex for a high gloss, Semi-gloss or Mil-flat finish without all the polishing work. WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429379#429379 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
Date: Aug 26, 2014
Good to know. Latex is not known for it's UV resistance. Even exterior hi gh gloss starts going dull in less than a year. Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint > From: Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com > Date: Tue=2C 26 Aug 2014 11:48:37 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > > Just talked to Sherwin Williams Marine Dept and they stated that it would be no issue to apply it over any of their latex house paints once they are cured. It has the same flexibility as the latex so it will move with it an d bond to it. > > It will also give better UV and surface protection then latex itself. Bei ng a waterborne acrylic it is optically clear=2C no yellow tint or fading y ellow. They said its a high quality clear commercial/industrial topcoat. > > I may just purchase a quart and try it=2C sounds like a good top coat ove r the house latex for a high gloss=2C Semi-gloss or Mil-flat finish without all the polishing work. > > WF2 > > -------- > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429379#429379 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 3 1/2" tail wheel....a report
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 26, 2014
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHello G.P.=0A=0A=0AI have now been flying with m y hard rubber, Wick's Aircraft Supply http://aircraftproducts.wic ksaircraft.com/item/all-categories/3-1-2-non-pneumatic-tailwheel/twnp-3-5?plpver =10&categid=100&prodid=3285&origin=keyword hard rubber 3 1/2" dia. tail wheel for all of my 100 hrs of Piet time. T his includes much taxiing on hard surface, and take-off landin g mostly from grass/clover etc. It has taken a lot of puni shment. I am very pleased with the results and performance. I was doing some minor repairs with my assembly back there, so I decided to replace the tire (even though I didn't hav e to). There was only, what I would consider "slight" amount of wear on the rubber itself. The bearings are ball beari ng, but there is no means of lubrication, except maybe dripp ing a few drops of oil into the bearings from the side. Not much bearing wear to report in the first 100 hours. Th e bearing "slop" on the old one is very slight compared wi th the new.=0A=0A=0AI found a "hollow" bolt for the axle. I don't even remember where I got it, but it has a drilled hole to make it hollow, and a small drilled hole in the side so as to allow grease to be forced out to the insid e cavity of the wheel bearings. I installed a zerk fitting into the end. =0A=0A=0AThis design has been a long evolution in design to get to this point. There is a quick-disconnect feature via a flat spring/lock pin. The idea is that the a ssembly can be removed quickly and a simple skid attached if desired.=0A=0A=0AAs you can see, there is a spring-loaded pin , that pulled slightly, "disconnects" the rudder from the whee l, and allows for free-wheeling for push-back operations. =0A=0A =0AI am showing all this, not to say it is the end-all, but to give ideas to others to get their own juices flowin g, to meet individual needs. =0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfi eld=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 27, 2014
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
Doug Here's a good research article on latex paint and UV. Latex is actually not too bad. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Paint%20Piet/LatexPaintTest.pdf After 3 years and lots of flying, my Titan Tornado still shines like new. Granted, it lives in a hangar like most airplanes, but it is holding up very well. The idea of a clear coat is attractive if it works. I don't really like adding weight to get the shine when you can get a pretty decent shine by just polishing, but it would sure save some effort if it works. It would be great to hear from someone who has tried it. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogaero.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug" <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 3:18:54 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint Good to know. Latex is not known for it's UV resistance. Even exterior high gloss starts going dull in less than a year. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint > From: Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:48:37 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > Just talked to Sherwin Williams Marine Dept and they stated that it would be no issue to apply it over any of their latex house paints once they are cured. It has the same flexibility as the latex so it will move with it and bond to it. > > It will also give better UV and surface protection then latex itself. Being a waterborne acrylic it is optically clear, no yellow tint or fading yellow. They said its a high quality clear commercial/industrial topcoat. > > I may just purchase a quart and try it, sounds like a good top coat over the house latex for a high gloss, Semi-gloss or Mil-flat finish without all the polishing work. > > WF2 > > -------- > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429379#429379 > > > > > >================= > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
Date: Aug 26, 2014
yeah=2C if it sits in a hangar it gets very little UV exposure. if I was g onna clear coat I would just go with a basecoat/clearcoat system. Any good automotive paint would work as long as you put a flex agent in it. My dad and I did several over the years. FAA won't allow it now I don't think. We never had a problem. Outlasted the ceconite fabric. Durable as heck. Not cheap though. Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio Date: Wed=2C 27 Aug 2014 00:01:46 +0000 From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint Doug Here's a good research article on latex paint and UV. Latex is actually not too bad. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Paint%20Piet/LatexPaintTest.pdf After 3 years and lots of flying=2C my Titan Tornado still shines like new. Granted=2C it lives in a hangar like most airplanes=2C but it is holding u p very well. The idea of a clear coat is attractive if it works. I don't re ally like adding weight to get the shine when you can get a pretty decent s hine by just polishing=2C but it would sure save some effort if it works. I t would be great to hear from someone who has tried it. Malcolm Morrison wienerdogaero.com From: "Doug" <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday=2C August 26=2C 2014 3:18:54 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint Good to know. Latex is not known for it's UV resistance. Even exterior hi gh gloss starts going dull in less than a year. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint > From: Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com > Date: Tue=2C 26 Aug 2014 11:48:37 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > > Just talked to Sherwin Williams Marine Dept and they stated that it would be no issue to apply it over any of their latex house paints once they are cured. It has the same flexibility as the latex so it will move with it an d bond to it. > > It will also give better UV and surface protection then latex itself. Bei ng a waterborne acrylic it is optically clear=2C no yellow tint or fading y ellow. They said its a high quality clear commercial/industrial topcoat. > > I may just purchase a quart and try it=2C sounds like a good top coat ove r the house latex for a high gloss=2C Semi-gloss or Mil-flat finish without all the polishing work. > > WF2 > > -------- > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429379#429379 > > > > > >================ > > > =0A =0A " target="_blank" data-mce-href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie tenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A ta-mce-href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A _blank" data-mce-href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www. matronics.com/contribution=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: More notes on CG, axle location and weight
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2014
Warning: this is a long story presented for builders that like reading, considering and understanding planes. It has little 'entertainment' value. If you are open to considering different perspectives, it has value. If that isn't a natural inclination, perhaps it is better left unread. -------------------------------- Some thoughts on CG and axle placement: Since there was some discussion on landing gear today, let me share this thought with people building that part of their project. Many people heard that Steve Williamson and his partner, who own this plane: http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/08/new-pietenpol-eaa-1279-french-valley-ca/ had a mishap on the way to Brodhead. Steve and his friend came to my display at Oshkosh and I heard the information first hand, and saw pictures. They spoke frankly and wanted others to learn something, Steve's friend (who was flying)adamantly says that he knew he was uninjured due to shoulder belts. Steve didn't have long to look at it but thought the reported engine issue was fuel delivery to the certified carb. My 2 cents on this is that the plane flew to the final airport, but the pilot was unfamiliar with the site and conditions. Upon landing he ended up putting the plane on it's back on the paved runway. Considering this, the damage was very light. I consider the largest single factor in this the planes main landing gear location. In our CG review, this plane was Corvair powered plane #4. Although the plane was yet to be covered, Ryan and I weighed and measured it. Our notes in the story show that the main gear is located 8" behind the leading edge. IMnsHO, this is way too far back for any plane with brakes, or that lands in a crosswind or on pavement. Even if people have flown planes with brakes that far back, all it takes is having your attention diverted for a moment once. The 1960s notes from BHP state the axle with brakes should be between the LE and 3" back at the most. Steve's plane makes 6 Piets that I know of that have been on their back in 6 years. The common thread is aft axle location and brakes. If there are 300 Piets, 6 is 2% of the fleet. Lets say there are 9,000 J-3's out there, if axle location didn't make a difference, I should have seen 180 J-3's on their back in the same period, but I didn't see a single one, and I attribute this largely to the J-3 having the main gear at the leading edge of the wing. I have flown a Piet with the gear at both extremes, and I don't feel there is a significant reason not to put the gear near the LE of the wing. We have now weighed measured 34 Piets, and not a single one of them had the gear within the range BHP suggested in the 1960's, and the average plane had it about 7" back, This suggests that few people beyond those who flew my plane or have flown The Last Original have first hand experience with the main gear in the 0"-3" range to compare it with. --------------------------------------------------- Some thoughts on A-65 CG's: The lightest plane of the 34 we have weighed is in the CG stories as Continental plane #4, at 590 pounds as a flying empty weight measured at Brodhead. The plane had a metal prop on it so if you really wanted to compare it to a wood prop plane, we could call it 'effectively' 575 pounds. This plane had split gear, no brakes, had feathery light spun aluminum go cart wheels and ultra light tires, and no tail wheel. In the 1990s I covered aerobatic planes for a living, and can say the fabric on the plane was very light, and nothing short of Oratech is going to be much lighter. By weight standards, the plane is a masterwork, by finish standard the plane was very good, and by CG standards it's in need of a major rework. If you look at the notes for plane #4, the maximum allowable pilot weight before the plane went out of the aft CG limit was only 122 pounds. The pilot flying it was light, but not that light. Note that the empty weight CG of the plane was 12.4" To get the plane to fly a 200 pound pilot, right at the aft CG limit, would take moving the wing about 4" aft. This illustrates that the lightest plane will be the most CG sensitive of all. I read the builder report of a 'preliminary' weight of 577 pounds for a plane with a straight axle and full size wire wheels and a tail wheel. I have a hard time visualizing how that plane when it is operational at an airport will be as light as Aircraft #4. I read Brian from Canada's weight report and it gives an impressive picture of what is required to get a flying plane to come in below 600 pounds. The 577 plane builder stated that the EWCG was about 12" and the tail wheel weight was near zero. This suggests that the main gear is right near 12" back. Although the builder stated that he was planning on moving the wing several inches, put together the stories I have related above and understand this: If the builder weighs 195 pounds dressed, and he moves the wing back 3.5", it still will not get him into the CG range of the plane, and the main axle will still be located at 8.5" behind the LE, even further back than Steves plane which went over. Neither of these is a desirable condition. IMnsHO, builders should not be so focused on low weight and be missing CG and axle location issues. -------------------------------------------------------- Some thoughts on Empty weights of planes: One of the first things any builder is told is that "Light weight = performance." Take a quick quiz: 1) How much better is the glide ratio of 600 pound Piet with just a 140 pound pilot, than the same plane with two 220 pound guys in it? 2) How much slower will a 600 pound Piet with two 170 pound people in it fly than a 700 pound Piet with two 170 pound people in it? 3) Assuming a 1250 gross weight, does a 600 pound Piet have a 650 pound useful load? Will a 750 pound Piet have a 500 pound useful load? 4) Which climbs faster, a Piet that weighs 100 pounds less, or one that has 30 more horsepower? ..................................... 1) They will have different sink rates, but they will have the exact same glide ratio 2) About 2 mph 3) Most light Piets are CG limited or power limited. Study the charts in the CG series and see how hard it would be to load 650 pounds into a A-65 and stay in CG. Ask other A-65 pilots what they consider their gross weight on a hot day flying off grass. Compare this with the CG info for Corvair and O-200 planes, and see that most of them do have an effective 500 pound useful load. 4) The plane with 30 more horses will climb 3x faster. Read the test at this link: http://flycorvair.net/2012/10/17/pietenpol-power-100-hp-corvair-vs-65-hp-lycoming/ Understand that most people who preach only light weight don't have a good grasp on aircraft performance, they just like having a number to compare. Practical aircraft performance and good flying characteristics require a bit more effort than comparing 3 digit numbers. ------------------------------------------------ William Wynne Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429416#429416 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: More notes on CG, axle location and weight
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 26, 2014
Thanks for posting.... Nice to see facts and data - which provides input for decisions about my (Bernard's actually!) airplane .....although pretty girl's/paint jobs are good postings as well...! I joined/drilled the wing spars to the center-section spars two days ago. More work on the center-section this Labor Day weekend - all good....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429425#429425 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint
i have used behr clear coat uv protected latex clear coat=0Ahyde =0A=0A=0AO n Tuesday, August 26, 2014 7:53 PM, Doug wrot e:=0A =0A=0A=0A =0Ayeah, if it sits in a hangar it gets very little UV exp osure. -if I was gonna clear coat I would just go with a basecoat/clearco at system. -Any good automotive paint would work as long as you put a fle x agent in it. -My dad and I did several over the years. -FAA won't all ow it now I don't think. -We never had a problem. -Outlasted the ceconi te fabric. -Durable as heck. -Not cheap though.=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn be autiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0ADate: We list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint=0A=0A=0ADoug=0A=0A=0AHere's a good research article on latex pa int and UV. Latex is actually not too bad.=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.westcoastpiet .com/images/Paint%20Piet/LatexPaintTest.pdf=0A=0AAfter 3 years and lots of flying, my Titan Tornado still shines like new. Granted, it lives in a hang ar like most airplanes, but it is holding up very well. The idea of a clear coat is attractive if it works. I don't really like adding weight to get t he shine when you can get a pretty decent shine by just polishing, but it w ould sure save some effort if it works. It would be great to hear from some one who has tried it.=0A=0A=0AMalcolm Morrison=0A=0Awienerdogaero.com=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom: "Doug" <chiefpepperhead@h otmail.com>=0ATo: "Pietenpol" =0ASent: Tuesda y, August 26, 2014 3:18:54 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint=0A=0A=0AGood to know. -Latex is not known for it's UV resistance. -Even exterior high gloss starts going dull in less than a year.=0A=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0A> Subject: P ietenpol-List: Re: beautiful Micro Mong latex paint=0A> From: Love2Fly.KAP@ gmail.com=0A> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:48:37 -0700=0A> To: pietenpol-list@ ove2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>=0A> =0A> Just talked to Sherwin Williams Marine Dept and they stated that it would be no issue to apply it over any of their la tex house paints once they are cured. It has the same flexibility as the la tex so it will move with it and bond to it.=0A> =0A> It will also give bett er UV and surface protection then latex itself. Being a waterborne acrylic it is optically clear, no yellow tint or fading yellow. They said its a hig h quality clear commercial/industrial topcoat.=0A> =0A> I may just purchase a quart and try it, sounds like a good top coat over the house latex for a high gloss, Semi-gloss or Mil-flat finish without all the polishing work. =0A> =0A> WF2=0A> =0A> --------=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p= 429379#429379=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>=========== =======0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A" target="_blank" data-mce-href= "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ata-mce-href="http://forums.matronics.com">ht tp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blank" data-mce-href="http://www.matronics.c om/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A =0A==== ========0Ast" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Pietenpol-List=0A============0Ahttp://forums.ma tronics.com=0A============0A="_blank">http://www.ma ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 27, 2014
From: Charles Burkholder <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Spring Landing Gear.
Thankyou folks. My next question is where did you all get the steel springs? On 8/26/2014 7:11 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > > Charles, > > Here is another way of doing it, from William Wynne's website- > > http://flycorvair.net/2012/10/27/new-die-spring-landing-gear-on-a-pietenpol-10-a-m-4-p-m/ > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429340#429340 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > -- Charles Burkholder Visit my blog @ http://missionmechfund.blogspot.ca/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Date: Aug 27, 2014
Subject: Re: Spring Landing Gear.
Charles, In the text below the picture of the spring, William notes: "The springs are available from A/C spruce for about $100. Their rating is 1200 pounds per inch. They are 1=B3 ID, 2=B3 OD, and 6=B3 long ." http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/shockabsorb.php?clickkey=35 16 On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:55 AM, Charles Burkholder wrote: > born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> > > Thankyou folks. My next question is where did you all get the steel > springs? > > On 8/26/2014 7:11 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > >> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> >> >> Charles, >> >> Here is another way of doing it, from William Wynne's website- >> >> http://flycorvair.net/2012/10/27/new-die-spring-landing- >> gear-on-a-pietenpol-10-a-m-4-p-m/ >> >> -------- >> Semper Fi, >> >> Terry Hand >> Athens, GA >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429340#429340 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> >> > -- > Charles Burkholder > Visit my blog @ http://missionmechfund.blogspot.ca/ > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gloriabots <gloriabots(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Spring Landing Gear.
Date: Aug 27, 2014
Charles I used these in WW Landing Struts. They are great and provide good shock absorption. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/shockabsorb.php?clickkey=3516 Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Spring Landing Gear.
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2014
Charles, Attached is a copy of my invoice from a Company called Diamond Wire. Better price than ACS. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429444#429444 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/diamondwire_invoice_640.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 27, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Pin Hole Fix-Oil Tank
=0AIt appears I have a small pin =0Ahole in my oil tank that ever so slight ly weeps oil down the outside. Is there something I can apply to the outsid e to seal it, or am I forced =0Ato remove the tank, clean it and weld/braze it?=0A-=0AIf God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AInitial assembly complete. Winter storage disassembly/more engine ru ns to commence.=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pin Hole Fix-Oil Tank
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2014
Hello, Jack Textor recomended me the following to seal my tank: Hi Mario I thought riveting would be easier than welding. I used pop rivets and sealed with something like proseal. Here is where I got it. I used the quart. http://vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=1377849717-132-612&browse=misc&product=proseal I've tested with air and it looks ok. may be can help. regards -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429463#429463 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JVG" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET>
Subject: Pin Hole Fix-Oil Tank
Date: Aug 27, 2014
My son poked a pretty good hole in his oil pan on his car and I drained the oil, cleaned the hole with alcohol and sanded around the hole. Then applied JB Weld. After it dried for 24 hours I sanded it again and applied another coat. Never had a leak after that and he had the car for 6 years after that. Jerry Skyclassic Aircraft From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pin Hole Fix-Oil Tank It appears I have a small pin hole in my oil tank that ever so slightly weeps oil down the outside. Is there something I can apply to the outside to seal it, or am I forced to remove the tank, clean it and weld/braze it? If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Initial assembly complete. Winter storage disassembly/more engine runs to commence. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Pin Hole Fix-Oil Tank
Date: Aug 27, 2014
I'd weld it, but that's just me. Problem is, if you don't fix it, every time you see oil, you'll wonder if it is the pinhole or something more serious leaking. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pin Hole Fix-Oil Tank It appears I have a small pin hole in my oil tank that ever so slightly weeps oil down the outside. Is there something I can apply to the outside to seal it, or am I forced to remove the tank, clean it and weld/braze it? If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Initial assembly complete. Winter storage disassembly/more engine runs to commence. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pin Hole Fix-Oil Tank
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2014
Might be worthwhile removing the tank and inspecting the inside. The pinhole may be the first external sign of more widespread internal issues. Regardless of the repair method (I side with Jack) it'll be easier to clean and prep with the tank on a clean workbench. You've published pictures of your shop so I KNOW you're workbenches are clean. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429502#429502 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: More notes on CG, axle location and weight
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 27, 2014
I gave William all of my W&B information, along with measurements, when he was assembling his database of Piet CGs, axle locations, and weights, so I'm not providing any new information here... just repeating another data point for those who do not have the complete listing of all the airplanes that William and others have put together. Since the stated purpose of the Experimental category for aircraft is for research and education, I'm certainly being educated by the research that is being conducted here and would like to help with that as well. NX41CC has an empty weight of 636 lbs., an empty CG location 12.2" aft of the wing leading edge datum, and the main gear axles are 5.8" aft of that leading edge datum... certainly not within the 0-3" range recommended by Mr. Pietenpol. The wing on my airplane is canted aft by pivoting on the cabanes, 3.5" if I remember correctly, but you can already see that my airplane fits "the pattern" that William is trying to point out. My airplane has brakes and it has been on its back, but the proximate cause of its ending up there was that the landing gear folded up after a weld broke during an engine-out, off-airport landing to an unimproved field. My airplane now has an A75 but it previously had an A65 and I have experience carrying passengers in both configurations. The point that William was trying to make with one of the questions in his "quiz" is that climb rate is a factor of excess thrust, and excess thrust is defined as any that is available over and above that which is required to overcome drag. My airplane with the A65 had enough thrust to overcome the drag and make some climb, but the A75 has more excess thrust and so can produce better climb. Put 90-100 HP on the nose and that's 15-25 HP of even more excess thrust that can be generated and you see that anything you add is going to be excess and can contribute to climb (with the right propeller). Switch off again. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429508#429508 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: More notes on CG, axle location and weight
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2014
To add to OZ's comments: One of the things about Piet CG that is hard to grasp at a glance in comparisons is that you can look at two planes that both have an empty weight CG of 12", but they will take very different maximum pilot weights. The reason for this is because the relationship between the wing and the pilot's seat location is a variable controlled by the location of the cabanes. Very few other planes are like this, and if you are coming from any other aircraft experience, it is easy to look at CG comparisons and forget that on a Pietenpol you have to look at the individual plane in question. On other planes, this is not the same kind of issue. On a Zenith 601XL the CG range is 10.8" to 18". If guy a offers a W&B report that says his plane has an EWCG of 12" and he gives loading information to another guy with a 12" EWCG, than the second guy can use this because there is little variation in the planes, but the biggest variable is fixed, as the pilot and passenger in a 601XL are both always at 28". Only in a Piet is this a variable, which precludes using plane to plane comparisons without an individual weighing and calculation. It is also a potent variable because of how far the pilot sits away from the CG of the Piet. These two elements are what makes the Piet CG different from other planes. BTW, if you would like to see a first class pilots operating handbook, look at this: http://www.newplane.com/amd_downloads/MASTER_AMD_POH_601_650_Nov-09_at_1320lbs.pdf AMD is the certified branch of Zenith, they have very good engineering talent, and they published this expanded version 113 page book after the incredible world wide scrutiny that followed several wing failures in 2006. (I will assure anyone that these were caused by careless operation outside of published limits not the design) The 601XL and its documentation has now been reviewed by more engineers, and agencies than any experimental in history, and if the design had actually been at fault, they would have been sued out of existence, but this never happened. Because of this review, the POH for this plane can be considered an outstanding example for an experimental plane. Your Piet will not need one like this, but it is worth looking at all the chapter headings and thinking about putting together your own abbreviated version of this for your Piet. Besides all the learning benefits, your DAR will pass your inspection a lot easier if you have something like this to assure him you are not just going to say "Kick the tire and light the fire!" on your first flight. Section four in this book is the W&B info, and it is well worth looking at because it describes many of the terms we use graphically. For rough comparison, the 601XL has a Riblett airfoil of 60" root cord, same as a Piet. The aft CG limit on the Piet and the 601 are both are about 30% of mean aerodynamic cord. Although they are different planes and airfoils, many principles of stability and control on light aircraft transcend these differences. The Piet's aft limit of 20" is actually 33% of the cord, but the general comparisons show that BHP's numbers are in line with aeronautical engineering practices used by large companies even today. The man was far more intelligent than the "flying farmer" myth. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429514#429514 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 28, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Pin Hole Fix-Oil Tank
Thanks for the ideas guys. The tank itself is very clean inside and out. I believe, considering the hole size, some type of sealer on the outside woul d work, however, since I see some weeping around the gasket...no oil streak s or runs, just the outside, visible edges of the gasket are wet...I will p ull the tank, weld the hole, and look at the gasket/flange area. These are some of the small things I will work on over the winter months.=0A=0A-=0A If God is your co-pilot, switch seats=0AMike Perez=0AKaretaker Aero=0AIniti al assembly complete. Winter storage disassembly/more engine runs to commen ce. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: corvair harmonic balancer removal
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2014
My mechanic buddy loaned me puller kits, but nothing fits. I bought a 3/8"-24 bolt and it doesn't even start to thread, but seems to fit the hole. I tried some bolts I had laying around, and a few will easily go in about three threads and stop turning; not sure why. Do I need a special bolt for those two holes? If so, what kind? Thank you. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429526#429526 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My Pietenpol Build
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2014
The one piece wing indicates 14 ribs each (plus one through the center section). The three piece indicates 14 plus 1 (each side) for the center section, those inboard two being closely spaced and labeled as 'butt ribs". My question: are the four 'butt ribs' the ones with additional sticks in the ribs (referred in plans as end ribs)? Are there additional sticks in the two outboard end ribs? Anything special in the construction of butt ribs? The three piece also shows two ribs (maybe just false nose and trailing section) in the center section from what I can see. Thanks. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429528#429528 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My Pietenpol Build
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 28, 2014
John You will actually wind up with 6 of those special ribs- One at each wing tip One at each wing panel root And two that make up the sides of the center section The two root ribs and the two center section ribs are usually fully sheeted with plywood on the outer sides. You will also wind up with some arrangement of partial ribs in the center section depending on how you do the tank/storage area and flop or cutout -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429531#429531 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My Pietenpol Build
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2014
Thanks! -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429533#429533 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2014
Builders, This E-mail came to me today. I don't know him personally, but it sounds like he has many of the correct engines to build for a Pietenpol. The note is also a good indication of how many Corvair cores are left. Its nice to think that someone who buys one of these engines will fly back over the same spot on the way to Brodhead in a few years. -ww. ----------------------------- William, Came across your website and thought I'd forward you my contact info if you know of anyone looking for corvair engines. I Just recently purchased three trailer loads of corvair parts from an auction in Beloit, WI, 90 year old guy sold everything out. I mostly was bidding against scrap dealers, even though I'm not a corvair guy, I didn't want to see the engines and parts scrapped. a dozen plus complete engines that include:RZ, RB, RD, RG, RH, YB, YN, Z, ZF types. A number of other parts too. If you know of anyone that's looking for anything particular, I may be able to help. Everything is located in Janesville, WI. Joe Conway (608) 322-0974 Local311joe(at)gmail.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429563#429563 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: UV exposure, realiy ck...
Date: Aug 29, 2014
After years of reading about UV degradation, exposure issues with covering materials; and seeing UV tests galore I got to thinking to myself. "how many hours of sunlight exposure will most Piets actually experience?" I'm sure they exist, but I don't know of a single Piet that doesn't reside full-time in a hangar. I then did some math and calculated the number of hours a year she's actually outside, and what percentage of those days are full sun, and what percentage of full-sun days eve/morning flights with a low sun angle to arrive at some numbers. I'm certainly not suggesting UV protection is unimportant. I'm just wondering if we are possibly overdoing it sometimes considering the real world application on this airplane. Do some figuring, I'll bet you'll be surprised. I was. I think I concluded that I could fly with untreated ceconite for like two decades. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 29, 2014
From: Jim Brewer <alpha(at)concordnc.com>
Subject: Re: UV exposure, realiy ck...
Now, that's a thinking man! Keep it up, Douwe! On 08/29/2014 09:29 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > > After years of reading about UV degradation, exposure issues with > covering materials; and seeing UV tests galore I got to thinking to > myself... "how many hours of sunlight exposure will most Piets > actually experience?" > > > > I'm sure they exist, but I don't know of a single Piet that doesn't > reside full-time in a hangar. I then did some math and calculated the > number of hours a year she's actually outside, and what percentage of > those days are full sun, and what percentage of full-sun days > eve/morning flights with a low sun angle to arrive at some numbers. > > > > I'm certainly not suggesting UV protection is unimportant. I'm just > wondering if we are possibly overdoing it sometimes considering the > real world application on this airplane. > > > > Do some figuring, I'll bet you'll be surprised. I was. I think I > concluded that I could fly with untreated ceconite for like two decades... > > > > Douwe > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 29, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: UV exposure, realiy ck...
my plane is exposed no more than 52 hours per year.. usually less and i fly alot. my body is exposed much more than that and i have lasted over 70 ye ars ...=0Ahyde =0A=0A=0AOn Friday, August 29, 2014 9:30 AM, Jim Brewer wrote:=0A =0A=0A=0ANow, that's a thinking man! Keep it up, Douwe! =0A=0AOn 08/29/2014 09:29 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:=0A =0AAfter years of reading about UV degradation, exposure issues with covering mate rials; and seeing UV tests galore I got to thinking to myself =9Chow many hours of sunlight exposure will most Piets actually experien ce?=9D =0A =0AI=99m sure they exist, but I don=99t know of a single Piet that doesn=99t reside full-time in a hangar. I then did some math and calculated the number of hours a year she=99s actu ally outside, and what percentage of those days are full sun, and what perc entage of full-sun days eve/morning flights with a low sun angle to arrive at some numbers. =0A =0AI=99m certainly not suggesting UV protecti on is unimportant. I=99m just wondering if we are possibly overdoing it sometimes considering the real world application on this airplane. =0A =0ADo some figuring, I=99ll bet you=99ll be surprised. I was. I think I concluded that I could fly with untreated ceconite for like two =========================0A == ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2014
I appreciate this post, and it's great that someone would buy the engines to save them for us. I have an engine just about apart, and a spare for parts. Good to know that other engines/parts are out there. Thanks for the information. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429582#429582 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head
From: "fastj22" <fastj22(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 29, 2014
I found a guy in Colorado that has at least 6 cores and set me up with what I think is a great build. He's been rebuilding corvairs for 30 years and has lots of stuff. Let me know if you need his contact info. Found him on Boulder Colorado Craigslist. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429619#429619 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Driled crank
From: "flyingbrick" <rgow(at)avionicsdesign.ca>
Date: Aug 29, 2014
I was talking to Rick at antique engine rebuilding and he tells me he has never driled the crank in any Ford engine he has built for the Pietenol. Can anyone gve me some perspective on this? The plans call for drilling the crank, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429621#429621 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: UV exposure, realiy ck...
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 30, 2014
I finally folded on this subject after reading the poly fiber manual about it. Addresses this exactly and in no uncertain terms says it's completely required. Even addresses not using uv protection on ultralights because of weight. It's kind of convincing.. And they recommend a compromise. It seems the best compromise would be skimping on the undersides of things, and/or on less critical things like the fuse. On my chief I'm gonna paint it one of three colors that has uv protection built in. Will save about five pounds and a thousand bucks. So, because they.say so... ? I don't know. I've just decided to agree. I would recommend reading the poly fiber book on it though. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429626#429626 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "GrantZ" <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 30, 2014
I am getting ready to start on my landing gear. I am planning on using the split axle version with 6" Cleveland wheels. I have read most if not all of the posts in this forum and obtained and digested the Doc Mosher collection of WWs articles on the topic. A question still remains. If main wheel location (0 to 3" behind wing LE) is dependent on wing location, and wing location (cabane tilt to get CG in proper range) is dependent on final W & B and final W & B requires a completed aircraft, how does one go about determining the correct geometry and dimensions for constructing the LG before the aircraft is completed? I would certainly like to avoid building the LG now using roughly estimated dimensions only to have to rebuild it when aircraft is finished. This really feels like a chicken or egg type situation. Thoughts! Thanx Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN Plodding ahead but making progress! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429628#429628 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 30, 2014
Grant, Answer these questions: 1) What engine are you using? 2) How long is your fuselage? 3) What is the dressed, flying weight of the heaviest pilot who will be flying the plane? >From the above, look at the articles that have an example plane that is closest to your plan. It must be the same on points 1) and 2), but if your maximum pilot weight is above any example listed, that is OK, I will show you the calculation to move the wing to the correct location for your conditions, and only from there do you get the main gear location. If you write back in with your three numbers, I will gladly use this as an example to guide others. The resulting numbers will not be a guess, they are a calculation, and it is a reasonable expectation that your finished plane will be within one half inch of the calculation. -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429643#429643 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: UV exposure, realiy ck...
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 30, 2014
Food for thought: If I was in the middle of a 4 year build and considering a non-standard covering system, I would build a few 12" square test panels and leave them outside for many months, and punch test them. ----------------------- Given a choice between leaving the color off or the UV off, I leave the color off. Both our Piet and our Wagabond had the wings and the tails just done in Poly spray ( the 'silver' stitts UV barrier). Only the fuselage and vertical, and rudder were/are in Insignia blue Poly tone. (the color part of the system) Poly spray holds up, but it needs to be washed more often. Planes with matte finishes, color on the fuse and silver wings look 1930-ish to me. ------------------------ Grace's BC-12D was covered in stits 40 years/1,100 hours ago. It is still in good condition. It has lived indoors since it was recovered, but for the last 9 years we have had a full 40X50 hangar with several planes shelves tools etc. If it is not raining, I often push the Taylorcraft outside all day just to make more working space. It might get 1,000 hr./year in the sun just from this. Many hangars have translucent panels for sunlight that may block nothing. ----------------------------- I worked in the fabric shop of Willie Carter at Spruce creek 1993-97. We mostly did competition aerobatic planes, which would always be indoors, and would often be recovered every 5-6 years just as an inspection. Owners were rabid about weight, but I don't recall a single one of them asking to delete the UV coats. Willie's theory was it takes a certain amount of material to fill the weave, some of it might as well be UV coats. 100% of everything we did was Stits (polyfiber). -ww Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429647#429647 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Used Pietenpol plans
From: Dan Plett <plett57(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 30, 2014
The plans came with the Pietenol. The Piet is long gone and I still have plans. By count there a 19 sheets all together. I no longer need the plans. What is something like this worth and is anyone interested? Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
From: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>
Date: Aug 30, 2014
plett57(at)hotmail.com wrote: > The plans came with the Pietenol. The Piet is long gone and I still have plans. By count there a 19 sheets all together. I no longer need the plans. What is something like this worth and is anyone interested? > > Dan D'oh. Interesting this posted me as a guest. -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429663#429663 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "GrantZ" <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2014
William, Thanks for the assistance on this issue. Here is the info you needed. 1) 100 hp Corvair with 2 bladed Warp Drive prop 2) 174 inches from front of firewall to tail post. I have added 2 inches to the first bay of the long fuselage version to get a little more leg room 3) Let's use 225 to allow for some winter flying clothes. Normal summer weight should be a max of 215 Thanks again for the help. I look forward to seeing the full calculation. Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429677#429677 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Evening flight
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Just some floobydust for your Labor Day weekend: http://youtu.be/ZdcKXbX8eVw Hope you get a chance to fly or work on your project this weekend! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429680#429680 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Evening flight
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Nice, Jeff! I tried a tail-mounted camera, too, and got way too much vibration. Yours isn't too bad. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 7:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Evening flight --> Just some floobydust for your Labor Day weekend: http://youtu.be/ZdcKXbX8eVw Hope you get a chance to fly or work on your project this weekend! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429680#429680 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: FW: Smoke
Date: Aug 31, 2014
For those not on Facebook. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttAXGGc-IoY &feature=youtu.be Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Evening flight
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Thanks, Gary. That was a very peaceful evening. For those who don't care for the music, there is a "naked" version at: http://youtu.be/byXrhoBYfHg?list=UUSToJirZgmDJ6HKusAkowDQ It's too bad that there's so much jitter on the tail-mounted camera. I guess I'll go back to using the PVC "boom" on the left wing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429686#429686 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Smoke
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Aug 31, 2014
You know those things are addictive, right? [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429688#429688 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Smoke
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 31, 2014
I could quit anytime.... ;-) Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:56 AM, "Jeff Boatright" wrote: > > > You know those things are addictive, right? > > [Wink] > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429688#429688 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Jeffery, Absolutely beautiful! Observations: how do you fly that plane sitting backwards in the cockpit? Note the first couple of views right after takeoff. You have your rudder horns below the elevators? I did the same on my SkyScout. I know, it is not that way on the plans, but it should make the steerable tail wheel easier to operate. Thanks for the great inspiration, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:09 AM, "Jeff Boatright" wrote: > > > Just some floobydust for your Labor Day weekend: > > http://youtu.be/ZdcKXbX8eVw > > Hope you get a chance to fly or work on your project this weekend! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429680#429680 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Evening flight
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Hi Ray, Thanks for the kind words. I just got lucky -- the beauty was there for the camera. My wife noticed that face, too. Sort of a Bert and Ernie look. Yep, my rudder control horns are below the horizontal stab. I didn't build the plane originally (though I've disassembled/reassembled it twice and rebuilt the forward fuselage once). I have always thought that the Skyscout was a very, very cool airplane. Do you have any pix of yours? What will you power it with? I've also always wondered if, given that I've been told it's the same design as the Aircamper but weigh less, how many Gs can it take? Jeff Ray Krause wrote: > Jeffery, > > Absolutely beautiful! > > Observations: how do you fly that plane sitting backwards in the cockpit? Note the first couple of views right after takeoff. > > You have your rudder horns below the elevators? I did the same on my SkyScout. I know, it is not that way on the plans, but it should make the steerable tail wheel easier to operate. > > Thanks for the great inspiration, > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:09 AM, "Jeff Boatright" wrote: > > > > > > > > Just some floobydust for your Labor Day weekend: > > > > http://youtu.be/ZdcKXbX8eVw > > > > Hope you get a chance to fly or work on your project this weekend! > > > > > >


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