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From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Date: Aug 31, 2014
They're worth $0 to someone with ethics. Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett(at)swko.net > Date: Sat=2C 30 Aug 2014 20:05:52 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > > plett57(at)hotmail.com wrote: > > The plans came with the Pietenol. The Piet is long gone and I still ha ve plans. By count there a 19 sheets all together. I no longer need the plans. What is something like this worth and is anyone interested? > > > > Dan > > > D'oh. Interesting this posted me as a guest. > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429663#429663 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
From: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Doug. How do you figure that? -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429717#429717 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Vi Kapler hinge re-bushing
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Hello, Pieters- Among the tools and parts that I got from Vi Kapler when I purchased the rights and the "tooling" for the cast hinges was a jig and instructions from Vi on re-bushing the pivot pin holes in the hinge castings. According to the instructions that he wrote (by hand, all of them), Vi says that when a set of hinges has 750-1000 hours on them some play may develop due to wear. The fix is to re-bush the pivot pin holes with brass sleeve inserts. If there are any Piets out there that have noticeable play in their Kapler hinges and have flying hours up in the range that Vi mentions, I would be happy to re-bush your set of 9 pairs of hinges for $20 plus return postage, which is $6 in the small USPS prepaid box. For overseas, I'll have to check with the USPS to see what it might cost to ship them back to you. Of course you'll have to remove your tail surfaces to remove the hinges, and if you've covered over them with fabric, you'll have to use an XActo knife to cut away the fabric to get to them. This operation is something that is best done during winter when you're not flying or when you have the airplane down for annual condition inspection. I am no longer on the Matronics list and only check the forum periodically, so if you are interested in having your hinges re-bushed, contact me directly at taildrags(at)hotmail.com or I likely won't see your response. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429727#429727 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Jeff, I will be using an A-65, just overhauled and hopefully putting out the full 6 5 hp. Unfortunately, I have not been trying to be too "light weight" minded. I may come in on the heavy side. It is built to plans, save for a few thing s like the rudder horns, tail wheel and extra blocks here and there. Not sur e it it's G loading could be any greater than the Aircamper with only on per son up. It is the same wing, shorter fuselage, same tail, motor mount, etc. I have been told it performs better because it is lighter, but I don't know i f that will be true. I'm sure it will perform better than my Aeronca in cli mb, but maybe not speed. But I think it will be a blast...just like your! I will attach some pictures, maybe too large... Sent from my iPad > On Aug 31, 2014, at 4:31 PM, "Jeff Boatright" wr ote: > y.edu> > > Hi Ray, > > Thanks for the kind words. I just got lucky -- the beauty was there for th e camera. > > My wife noticed that face, too. Sort of a Bert and Ernie look. > > Yep, my rudder control horns are below the horizontal stab. I didn't build the plane originally (though I've disassembled/reassembled it twice and reb uilt the forward fuselage once). > > I have always thought that the Skyscout was a very, very cool airplane. Do you have any pix of yours? What will you power it with? I've also always wo ndered if, given that I've been told it's the same design as the Aircamper b ut weigh less, how many Gs can it take? > > > Jeff > > > Ray Krause wrote: >> Jeffery, >> >> Absolutely beautiful! >> >> Observations: how do you fly that plane sitting backwards in the cockpit? Note the first couple of views right after takeoff. >> >> You have your rudder horns below the elevators? I did the same on my SkyS cout. I know, it is not that way on the plans, but it should make the steera ble tail wheel easier to operate. >> >> Thanks for the great inspiration, >> >> Ray Krause >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >>> On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:09 AM, "Jeff Boatright" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Just some floobydust for your Labor Day weekend: >>> >>> http://youtu.be/ZdcKXbX8eVw >>> >>> Hope you get a chance to fly or work on your project this weekend! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429680#429680 > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429714#429714 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >

      
      
      
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol "Blitzkrieg" to fly again
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Those photos are just TOO cool.... Wonderful that your bird has some real history....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429733#429733 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: More notes on CG, axle location and weight
From: "AG" <aglangerco(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Interesting to think about while planning my gear set-up. On the subject of landing gear - I'm still hoping to find out a bit more about your trailer wheel set-up mentioned in one of your older posts regarding your low-cost R&D project. I'm especially interested in how you made your hubs. Any info would be appreciated... Andy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429735#429735 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: FW: Smoke
Date: Aug 31, 2014
Really neat, Gary! Now where are the plans/explanation on how you did it? M aybe I will just have to come over there and beat it out of you! Nice video! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:39 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > For those not on Facebook > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttAXGGc-IoY&feature=youtu.be > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Date: Sep 01, 2014
One airplane per set of plans. Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett(at)swko.net > Date: Sun=2C 31 Aug 2014 17:42:13 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > Doug. How do you figure that? > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429717#429717 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Trip planning
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Hello G.P.=0A=0A=0AAnybody on this list building a Pietenpol in the following towns?=0A=0A=0ALittle Rock AR.=0AMidland TX.=0AEl Paso TX=0ATucson AZ=0ANew Orleans LA=0AMemphis TN.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0A Loensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: FW: Smoke
Date: Sep 01, 2014
You=99ll have to beat it out of me, Ray, =98cause the plans are in my head!...but here are some pics The tank is just a basic windshield washer tank with motor. It may be for a Toyota. I have =C2=BC=9D aluminum tube from the exhaust, through the firewall, then clear tubing to the tank, located in the forward baggage area. ON/OFF switch is at the panel. Picture #007 shows the small irrigation line valve. I can only adjust by trial & error. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 9:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Smoke Really neat, Gary! Now where are the plans/explanation on how you did it? Maybe I will just have to come over there and beat it out of you! Nice video! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:39 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: For those not on Facebook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttAXGGc-IoY &feature=youtu.be Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Evening flight
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Boy, that's beautiful, Ray. Congratulations. I'd forgotten how cool the landing gear is on a Scout. As to comparing to an Aeronca, I trained and got my ticket in a Champ, and have a few hours in them otherwise. For the equipment I've flown anyway, my Piet is much more nimble and has a greater ROC. It may be slower. Here's what I see on the ASI with ~10 gal fuel and one 160 lb pilot on warm summer evenings (say, 90F and high humidity): 2000 rpm = 60 mph (a little slow) 2100 rpm = 65 mph (just right) 2200 rpm = 70 mph (just right) 2300 rpm = 75 mph (a little fast) 2400 rpm = 80 mph (too fast) 2500 rpm = 85-90 mph (way too fast) This particular Piet has always felt unhappy when going more than 75 mph (or I should say, the pilot feels unhappy), regardless of whether powered by worn-out A-65 or a low-time C-85 and regardless of what prop, so I very rarely do that. Most of my flying is around 60-70 mph. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429759#429759 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Nice cowl work, Ray!! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight Jeff, I will be using an A-65, just overhauled and hopefully putting out the full 65 hp. Unfortunately, I have not been trying to be too "light weight" minded. I may come in on the heavy side. It is built to plans, save for a few things like the rudder horns, tail wheel and extra blocks here and there. Not sure it it's G loading could be any greater than the Aircamper with only on person up. It is the same wing, shorter fuselage, same tail, motor mount, etc. I have been told it performs better because it is lighter, but I don't know if that will be true. I'm sure it will perform better than my Aeronca in climb, but maybe not speed. But I think it will be a blast...just like your! I will attach some pictures, maybe too large... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: FW: Smoke
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Thanks, Gary! I guess we won't have to go through the beating process. I wi ll save the pics with your notes for future reference. I'm sure this is some thing I will want to do. One of the crop dusters here in Colusa has smoke on his plane and uses it a lot to let us know where he is in the pattern. He u ses unusual patterns and we all accommodate him because he is making money, w e are just playing and we can easily see him. He monitors the radio and ann ounces (very unusual for dusters), then gives a puff of smoke and we tell hi m to go ahead of us. Really a nice way to operate. Thanks, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2014, at 5:24 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > You=99ll have to beat it out of me, Ray, =98cause the plans ar e in my head!...but here are some pics > > The tank is just a basic windshield washer tank with motor. It may be for a Toyota. I have =C2=BC=9D aluminum tube from the exhaust, through the f irewall, then clear tubing to the tank, located in the forward baggage area. ON/OFF switch is at the panel. Picture #007 shows the small irrigation line valve. I can only adjust by trial & error. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 9:58 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Smoke > > Really neat, Gary! Now where are the plans/explanation on how you did it? Maybe I will just have to come over there and beat it out of you! > > Nice video! > > Ray Krause > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 31, 2014, at 7:39 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > For those not on Facebook > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttAXGGc-IoY&feature=youtu.be > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Do you recognize the 12" frying pan on the nose? Thanks, it is even better now with some added mods. Hope it works out. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:13 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > Nice cowl work, Ray!! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 9:08 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight > > Jeff, > > I will be using an A-65, just overhauled and hopefully putting out the full > 65 hp. Unfortunately, I have not been trying to be too "light weight" > minded. I may come in on the heavy side. It is built to plans, save for a > few things like the rudder horns, tail wheel and extra blocks here and > there. Not sure it it's G loading could be any greater than the Aircamper > with only on person up. It is the same wing, shorter fuselage, same tail, > motor mount, etc. I have been told it performs better because it is lighter, > but I don't know if that will be true. I'm sure it will perform better than > my Aeronca in climb, but maybe not speed. But I think it will be a > blast...just like your! > > I will attach some pictures, maybe too large... > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Blitzkrieg to fly
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Now that's a cool paint scheme!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Ray's Cowling
Date: Sep 01, 2014
...thought I smelled bacon! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight --> Do you recognize the 12" frying pan on the nose? Thanks, it is even better now with some added mods. Hope it works out. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:13 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > --> > > Nice cowl work, Ray!! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray > Krause > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 9:08 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight > > Jeff, > > I will be using an A-65, just overhauled and hopefully putting out the > full > 65 hp. Unfortunately, I have not been trying to be too "light weight" > minded. I may come in on the heavy side. It is built to plans, save > for a few things like the rudder horns, tail wheel and extra blocks > here and there. Not sure it it's G loading could be any greater than > the Aircamper with only on person up. It is the same wing, shorter > fuselage, same tail, motor mount, etc. I have been told it performs > better because it is lighter, but I don't know if that will be true. > I'm sure it will perform better than my Aeronca in climb, but maybe > not speed. But I think it will be a blast...just like your! > > I will attach some pictures, maybe too large... > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Thanks for the compliment, Jeff. We will see if it is deserved when it flies . I'm about two years into it and probably have another two to go! I plan on starting to rig it this month. My dear friend, Merle, just made the strut e nd fittings this week. They have to be cut to length as needed. He is a ret ired machinist and master plane builder. He is also my welder and general co nsultant and fixer when I screw up.....could not do it without him. The landing gear is pretty neat, but is pretty springy! The phot has a solid pipe going between the legs so I can keep it level so it does not hit the c eiling. With the engine and wings on, the gear "should" be level. Putting th e springs in the suspensions tubes is a dangerous job, could loose an eye, o r worse. I will have to add a safety cable between the top and bottom pieces of the suspension tubes in case the retaining bolts break in flight. That w ould be a terrible situation...no gear to land on! The gear, wheels and fuselage are all made to plans. But I think the gear is too long because the deck angle is about 12 degrees. That is pretty close t o the stall angle, right? What is your deck angle on the ground? At what ang le does your plane stall. Maybe I will just have to do all wheel landing, t hree pointers may be out! It would be a major job to change the gear! The d rawing of the completed plane on the plans, although it is drawn level, woul d be about 12 degrees by my "guessing". The joys of plans building a plane! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2014, at 7:03 AM, "Jeff Boatright" wro te: > y.edu> > > Boy, that's beautiful, Ray. Congratulations. I'd forgotten how cool the la nding gear is on a Scout. > > As to comparing to an Aeronca, I trained and got my ticket in a Champ, and have a few hours in them otherwise. For the equipment I've flown anyway, my Piet is much more nimble and has a greater ROC. It may be slower. Here's wh at I see on the ASI with ~10 gal fuel and one 160 lb pilot on warm summer ev enings (say, 90F and high humidity): > > 2000 rpm = 60 mph (a little slow) > 2100 rpm = 65 mph (just right) > 2200 rpm = 70 mph (just right) > 2300 rpm = 75 mph (a little fast) > 2400 rpm = 80 mph (too fast) > 2500 rpm = 85-90 mph (way too fast) > > This particular Piet has always felt unhappy when going more than 75 mph ( or I should say, the pilot feels unhappy), regardless of whether powered by w orn-out A-65 or a low-time C-85 and regardless of what prop, so I very rarel y do that. Most of my flying is around 60-70 mph. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429759#429759 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >

      
      
      
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Ray, FYI...with my first tailwheel, my deck angle was about 13deg, and I had all sorts of landing troubles. Now it's about 11 deg, and life is much better! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 9:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight Thanks for the compliment, Jeff. We will see if it is deserved when it flies. I'm about two years into it and probably have another two to go! I plan on starting to rig it this month. My dear friend, Merle, just made the strut end fittings this week. They have to be cut to length as needed. He is a retired machinist and master plane builder. He is also my welder and general consultant and fixer when I screw up.....could not do it without him. The landing gear is pretty neat, but is pretty springy! The phot has a solid pipe going between the legs so I can keep it level so it does not hit the ceiling. With the engine and wings on, the gear "should" be level. Putting the springs in the suspensions tubes is a dangerous job, could loose an eye, or worse. I will have to add a safety cable between the top and bottom pieces of the suspension tubes in case the retaining bolts break in flight. That would be a terrible situation...no gear to land on! The gear, wheels and fuselage are all made to plans. But I think the gear is too long because the deck angle is about 12 degrees. That is pretty close to the stall angle, right? What is your deck angle on the ground? At what angle does your plane stall. Maybe I will just have to do all wheel landing, three pointers may be out! It would be a major job to change the gear! The drawing of the completed plane on the plans, although it is drawn level, would be about 12 degrees by my "guessing". The joys of plans building a plane! Thanks, Ray Krause ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Did you just raise the tail by using a higher tail wheel set up? Or is the landing improvement a result of the newer style tail wheel? You did not change the landing gear, right? Thanks, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:35 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > > Ray, > > FYI...with my first tailwheel, my deck angle was about 13deg, and I had all > sorts of landing troubles. Now it's about 11 deg, and life is much better! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 9:21 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight > > Thanks for the compliment, Jeff. We will see if it is deserved when it > flies. I'm about two years into it and probably have another two to go! I > plan on starting to rig it this month. My dear friend, Merle, just made the > strut end fittings this week. They have to be cut to length as needed. He > is a retired machinist and master plane builder. He is also my welder and > general consultant and fixer when I screw up.....could not do it without > him. > > The landing gear is pretty neat, but is pretty springy! The phot has a solid > pipe going between the legs so I can keep it level so it does not hit the > ceiling. With the engine and wings on, the gear "should" be level. Putting > the springs in the suspensions tubes is a dangerous job, could loose an eye, > or worse. I will have to add a safety cable between the top and bottom > pieces of the suspension tubes in case the retaining bolts break in flight. > That would be a terrible situation...no gear to land on! > > The gear, wheels and fuselage are all made to plans. But I think the gear is > too long because the deck angle is about 12 degrees. That is pretty close to > the stall angle, right? What is your deck angle on the ground? At what angle > does your plane stall. Maybe I will just have to do all wheel landing, > three pointers may be out! It would be a major job to change the gear! The > drawing of the completed plane on the plans, although it is drawn level, > would be about 12 degrees by my "guessing". > > The joys of plans building a plane! > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Landing gear has not been changed...yet. I removed the BHP style A-frame and went with typical spring and Matco tail wheel. That moved everything back far enough to allow me to use a direct hook up between the rudder and the tail wheel. The reduced deck angle was a fortunate side effect. Not that I would ever do it, but one could drop in from 5' and the tail would stay straight and true! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight --> Did you just raise the tail by using a higher tail wheel set up? Or is the landing improvement a result of the newer style tail wheel? You did not change the landing gear, right? Thanks, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:35 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > --> > > Ray, > > FYI...with my first tailwheel, my deck angle was about 13deg, and I > had all sorts of landing troubles. Now it's about 11 deg, and life is much better! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray > Krause > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 9:21 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight > > Thanks for the compliment, Jeff. We will see if it is deserved when it > flies. I'm about two years into it and probably have another two to > go! I plan on starting to rig it this month. My dear friend, Merle, > just made the strut end fittings this week. They have to be cut to > length as needed. He is a retired machinist and master plane builder. > He is also my welder and general consultant and fixer when I screw > up.....could not do it without him. > > The landing gear is pretty neat, but is pretty springy! The phot has a > solid pipe going between the legs so I can keep it level so it does > not hit the ceiling. With the engine and wings on, the gear "should" > be level. Putting the springs in the suspensions tubes is a dangerous > job, could loose an eye, or worse. I will have to add a safety cable > between the top and bottom pieces of the suspension tubes in case the retaining bolts break in flight. > That would be a terrible situation...no gear to land on! > > The gear, wheels and fuselage are all made to plans. But I think the > gear is too long because the deck angle is about 12 degrees. That is > pretty close to the stall angle, right? What is your deck angle on the > ground? At what angle does your plane stall. Maybe I will just have to do all wheel landing, > three pointers may be out! It would be a major job to change the gear! The > drawing of the completed plane on the plans, although it is drawn > level, would be about 12 degrees by my "guessing". > > The joys of plans building a plane! > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
From: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>
Date: Sep 01, 2014
>From Andrew Pietenpol. -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_670.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Thanks, Gary. I will see if I can raise the deck angle by extending the tail wheel, raising the tail. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2014, at 11:04 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Landing gear has not been changed...yet. I removed the BHP style A-frame and > went with typical spring and Matco tail wheel. That moved everything back > far enough to allow me to use a direct hook up between the rudder and the > tail wheel. The reduced deck angle was a fortunate side effect. Not that I > would ever do it, but one could drop in from 5' and the tail would stay > straight and true! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 10:03 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight > > --> > > Did you just raise the tail by using a higher tail wheel set up? Or is the > landing improvement a result of the newer style tail wheel? You did not > change the landing gear, right? > > Thanks, > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:35 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: >> >> --> >> >> Ray, >> >> FYI...with my first tailwheel, my deck angle was about 13deg, and I >> had all sorts of landing troubles. Now it's about 11 deg, and life is much > better! >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray >> Krause >> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 9:21 AM >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Evening flight >> >> Thanks for the compliment, Jeff. We will see if it is deserved when it >> flies. I'm about two years into it and probably have another two to >> go! I plan on starting to rig it this month. My dear friend, Merle, >> just made the strut end fittings this week. They have to be cut to >> length as needed. He is a retired machinist and master plane builder. >> He is also my welder and general consultant and fixer when I screw >> up.....could not do it without him. >> >> The landing gear is pretty neat, but is pretty springy! The phot has a >> solid pipe going between the legs so I can keep it level so it does >> not hit the ceiling. With the engine and wings on, the gear "should" >> be level. Putting the springs in the suspensions tubes is a dangerous >> job, could loose an eye, or worse. I will have to add a safety cable >> between the top and bottom pieces of the suspension tubes in case the > retaining bolts break in flight. >> That would be a terrible situation...no gear to land on! >> >> The gear, wheels and fuselage are all made to plans. But I think the >> gear is too long because the deck angle is about 12 degrees. That is >> pretty close to the stall angle, right? What is your deck angle on the >> ground? At what angle does your plane stall. Maybe I will just have to do > all wheel landing, >> three pointers may be out! It would be a major job to change the gear! > The >> drawing of the completed plane on the plans, although it is drawn >> level, would be about 12 degrees by my "guessing". >> >> The joys of plans building a plane! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: first smoke
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Sweet video Gary! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: what's with fly-in WX???
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Dang, every fly-in I try to hit turns up crappy weather!! What gives????!!!!! Just spent two soaking days at the Red Stewart fly-in which was a total bust. Poor me. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: what's with fly-in WX???
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Go West, Young Man. I guarantee you won't encounter any rain in CA!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 12:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: what's with fly-in WX??? Dang, every fly-in I try to hit turns up crappy weather!! What gives????!!!!! Just spent two soaking days at the Red Stewart fly-in which was a total bust. Poor me. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: what's with fly-in WX???
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Douwe Blakesburg was a mess too... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Sep 1, 2014, at 2:38 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > > Dang, every fly-in I try to hit turns up crappy weather!! What gives????!! !!! > > Just spent two soaking days at the Red Stewart fly-in which was a total bu st. > > Poor me > > Douwe > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races
From: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>
Date: Sep 01, 2014
My sons and I will driving in from Pauls Valley Saturday morning. I'm not sure what the lodging arangments for Saturday night will be. All in all it looks to be a great weekend. -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429808#429808 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: what's with fly-in WX???
From: "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Douwe, When the rain started we checked the radar and bugged out. I feel for the organizers who work so hard. At about 6 oclock that evening it was a grand exodus from the airport. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429810#429810 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Evening flight
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Sorry Ray, I don't know what my deck angle is at stall or sitting on the ground. I might play around with it on the next flight, though and report back! [quote="Ray Krause"]Thanks, Gary. I will see if I can raise the deck angle by extending the tail wheel, raising the tail. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2014, at 11:04 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Landing gear has not been changed...yet. I removed the BHP style A-frame and > went with typical spring and Matco tail wheel. That moved everything back > far enough to allow me to use a direct hook up between the rudder and the > tail wheel. The reduced deck angle was a fortunate side effect. Not that I > would ever do it, but one could drop in from 5' and the tail would stay > straight and true! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429812#429812 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Jeff, I've heard from several and my deck angle on the ground is not too far off from others. I will study it further, but would like to know about yours, if you ever find out. Thanks, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2014, at 7:27 PM, "Jeff Boatright" wrote: > > > Sorry Ray, I don't know what my deck angle is at stall or sitting on the ground. I might play around with it on the next flight, though and report back! > > [quote="Ray Krause"]Thanks, Gary. I will see if I can raise the deck angle by extending the tail wheel, raising the tail. > > Ray > > Sent from my iPad > > >> On Sep 1, 2014, at 11:04 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: >> >> Landing gear has not been changed...yet. I removed the BHP style A-frame and >> went with typical spring and Matco tail wheel. That moved everything back >> far enough to allow me to use a direct hook up between the rudder and the >> tail wheel. The reduced deck angle was a fortunate side effect. Not that I >> would ever do it, but one could drop in from 5' and the tail would stay >> straight and true! >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> -- > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429812#429812 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 02, 2014
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
HI Ray, What struts are you using and where did you get the aluminium for the end f ittings? Thanks, JIm B. =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Sep 01, 2014
Jim, The struts came from a friend of Gary's in Lincoln who had maybe twenty indi vidual pieces. I probably paid about market value, but no shipping cost. So i t was a great deal. Both front and rear struts will be the same size, the la rger size. The end fittings we're made from 1 X 1" square stock (Online Metals). It fit s right into the ribs of the struts. Now I just have to measure, drill and i nstall. No problem! Hope this helps a little. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > > HI Ray, > > What struts are you using and where did you get the aluminium for the end f ittings? Thanks, JIm B. > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: More Smoke
Date: Sep 01, 2014
A great evening for flying! Temp in the mid 90=92s=85no wind! This was a =BD & =BD mixture of ATF and baby oil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU &feature=youtu.be Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: More Smoke
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Very nice! I think the ATF/baby oil gives more fluffiness. Or were you opening the spigot more? > A great evening for flying! Temp in the mid 90sno wind! This was a & mixture of ATF and baby oil. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU&feature=youtu.be) > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429828#429828 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: More Smoke
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Same spigot opening, Jeff. I'll let the ATF burn out and switch to mineral oil or real smoke oil. Hardly any blow back on the plane this time, though!! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 4:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Smoke --> Very nice! I think the ATF/baby oil gives more fluffiness. Or were you opening the spigot more? > A great evening for flying! Temp in the mid 90sno wind! This was a & mixture of ATF and baby oil. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU&feature=youtu.be > (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU&feature=youtu.be) > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429828#429828 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: tarp
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Hey John Francis, I owe you a tarp dude! I can't thank you enough for loaning it to me at Stewarts, it REALLY came in handy!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Subject: Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Sleep Inn and Suites at Roanoke, Texas is where we are going to stay. Rates are good. Not sure if they have an opening. On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Dan P wrote: > > My sons and I will driving in from Pauls Valley Saturday morning. I'm not > sure what the lodging arangments for Saturday night will be. All in all it > looks to be a great weekend. > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429808#429808 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Subject: Red Bull Air Races
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
I am a little ashamed that no one on this list has entered their Pietenpol in the Red Bull Air Races! -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: More Smoke
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Beautiful, Gary, thanks! Why don't you come over to Colusa, sometime? Maybe as the weather cools, we will have better opportunities. It would be fun to have such a nice plane land here. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:31 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > A great evening for flying! Temp in the mid 90=99sno wind! T his was a =C2=BD & =C2=BD mixture of ATF and baby oil. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU&feature=youtu.be > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tarp
From: "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Keep it Douwe. Pay it forward. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429844#429844 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tarp
From: "namrednos" <namrednos(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Douwe, the weather was great until 6:30 Your plane is one of a kind. I was very impressed with your delightful daughter. I wish one of my 4 daughters would take interest in our hobby. See attached -------- Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429845#429845 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imgp1463_194.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Red Bull Air Races
Date: Sep 02, 2014
I need more practice on my knife edge turns Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Steven Dortch wrot e: > > I am a little ashamed that no one on this list has entered their Pietenpol in the Red Bull Air Races! > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 02, 2014
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Hi Ray, I need a piece of 1x1 yet myself; my struts are the large size from Carlsons. Thanks, Jim =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Jim, I will have about 6 pieces, 6" long, what do you need. You may have it. Let me know. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 2, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Jim Boyer wrote: > > Hi Ray, I need a piece of 1x1 yet myself; my struts are the large size fro m Carlsons. > Thanks, > Jim > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Jeep engine
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Hello again... I have some information that I have developed recently... I was attempting to match the Jeep 134 L head Go Devil engine, Of WW2 fame to use in the place of a Model A on my pietenpol project. I progressed to the point of installing a Slick mag and new intake and exhaust as well as installing a tachometer drive mount. After testing with a Tillotson Model A Carb which it only managed 1600 rpm, I tried it with a larger Bendix carb and got it up to 1800. This is with a 72 inch Seninich prop from a Champ.... I had hoped for at least 2000 rpm. I have decided that the jeep engine is probably too small for the task, And I have moved on to other options. If anyone would like to continue this test or have any questions please give me a call at 870-926-7165. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429852#429852 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/engine_green_2_178.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 02, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Red Bull Air Races
If my plane had the 40 hours flown off... If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: catching on Gary----it's catching on......
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Great work Gary Boothe in getting your smoke system working. Your video a re fantastic and thanks for taking us along for the ride. Here are a few others who are also having fun vaporizing the daylights out of various oils . A shiney Luscombe and a few others at the Antique Airplane Associati on Fly In at Ottumwa, Iowa this past weekend. Mike C. Ohio [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFC6BE.7AA763B0] [cid:image002.jpg(at)01CFC6BE.7AA763B0] [cid:image003.jpg(at)01CFC6BE.7AA763B0] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: catching on Gary----it's catching on......
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Thanks, Mike! I aspire to smoke like any one of those guys! Gary Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2014, at 11:59 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" wrote: > > Great work Gary Boothe in getting your smoke system working. Your video a re fantastic and thanks for taking us along for the ride. Here are a few > others who are also having fun vaporizing the daylights out of various oil s. A shiney Luscombe and a few others at the Antique Airplane Associati on Fly In > at Ottumwa, Iowa this past weekend. > > Mike C. > Ohio > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Subject: Re: Jeep engine
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
could I swing a big paddle bladed prop slowly? Isn't that what the model A Piets do? Steve D On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:06 PM, aviken wrote: > > Hello again... I have some information that I have developed recently... I > was attempting to match the Jeep 134 L head Go Devil engine, Of WW2 fame to > use in the place of a Model A on my pietenpol project. I progressed to > the point of installing a Slick mag and new intake and exhaust as well as > installing a tachometer drive mount. After testing with a Tillotson Model > A Carb which it only managed 1600 rpm, I tried it with a larger Bendix > carb and got it up to 1800. This is with a 72 inch Seninich prop from a > Champ.... I had hoped for at least 2000 rpm. I have decided that the jeep > engine is probably too small for the task, And I have moved on to other > options. If anyone would like to continue this test or have any questions > please give me a call at 870-926-7165. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429852#429852 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/engine_green_2_178.jpg > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Subject: Re: Jeep engine
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Should have been "Could it..." On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: > could I swing a big paddle bladed prop slowly? Isn't that what the model A > Piets do? > > Steve D > > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:06 PM, aviken wrote: > >> >> Hello again... I have some information that I have developed recently... >> I was attempting to match the Jeep 134 L head Go Devil engine, Of WW2 fame >> to use in the place of a Model A on my pietenpol project. I progressed to >> the point of installing a Slick mag and new intake and exhaust as well as >> installing a tachometer drive mount. After testing with a Tillotson Model >> A Carb which it only managed 1600 rpm, I tried it with a larger Bendix >> carb and got it up to 1800. This is with a 72 inch Seninich prop from a >> Champ.... I had hoped for at least 2000 rpm. I have decided that the jeep >> engine is probably too small for the task, And I have moved on to other >> options. If anyone would like to continue this test or have any questions >> please give me a call at 870-926-7165. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429852#429852 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/engine_green_2_178.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jeep engine
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Ken, Don't throw in the towel just yet! A few more easy tests might reveal some better results.... 1) Borrow a manifold pressure gage from someone or buy a cheap one. tap it into your intake and re-run the engine at wide open throttle and note the reading. If it is not within 1" of ambient pressure, you need a bigger carb. 2) How far advanced did you try the timing? 3) A champ prop is a good prop for a 65hp engine with a 2375 redline, but I suspect that you are leaving a lot of ponies in the barn by shooting for too low an rpm. All of my loaner Corvair props have the same SAE 1 bolt pattern, but they have opposite rotation blades. If need be, I could scrounge up some in your rotation. I suspect that a 66" two blade prop set for 2,500 static rpm would provide a very different hp and thrust picture for your engine. As an engine with a pressurized oil system and insert bearings it will not be harmed by this rpm. I am guessing 1800 isn't even the torque peak for the engine. The right prop to allow your engine to speed up some is in order. 4) My friend Bob Lester, who switched from a 65 Lycoming to a Corvair on his Piet may still have the original prop, and they have somewhat less pitch and area than a Continental prop, as they were certified at a higher rpm, I will find out if you can perhaps test this, if we can't put option #3 together. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429858#429858 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jeep engine
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Steve, Ken's engine is 134 cid vs 200 on a Ford. His primary way to get more power from the engine is get more mass of air and fuel through it by turning more rpm. Engines experience their peak volumetric efficiency at the torque peak by definition. If Ken is below the torque peak, his engine will actually be more efficient if it speeds up. -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429863#429863 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Turtle Deck Suppport
From: "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Where the top of the back seat and the turtle deck support meet, has me confused. I looked at some pictures on westcoastpiet and see that some of you have elected to make this joint flush and others have an offset here. It does appear to me that some additional (not in plans?) support is needed to tie these two components together. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429866#429866 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: More Smoke
Date: Sep 02, 2014
There is no doubt, Ray. I owe you a visitor two! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More Smoke Beautiful, Gary, thanks! Why don't you come over to Colusa, sometime? Maybe as the weather cools, we will have better opportunities. It would be fun to have such a nice plane land here. Ray Sent from my iPad On Sep 1, 2014, at 9:31 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: A great evening for flying! Temp in the mid 90=99sno wind! This was a =C2=BD & =C2=BD mixture of ATF and baby oil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7banO07qU &feature=youtu.be Gary Boothe NX308MB D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D //forums.matronics.com D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: catching on Gary----it's catching on......
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Does he have to polish the Luscombe after each smoke job? Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 2, 2014, at 11:59 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" wrote: > > Great work Gary Boothe in getting your smoke system working. Your video a re fantastic and thanks for taking us along for the ride. Here are a few > others who are also having fun vaporizing the daylights out of various oil s. A shiney Luscombe and a few others at the Antique Airplane Associati on Fly In > at Ottumwa, Iowa this past weekend. > > Mike C. > Ohio > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Date: Sep 02, 2014
He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would b e=2C but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not pu rchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10=2C 000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little=2C but on the p urchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans. Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett(at)swko.net > Date: Mon=2C 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > >From Andrew Pietenpol. > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_670.jpg > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 02, 2014
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Hi Ray, I need four pieces 6 inches long. If you have that many I will gladly buy t hem from you. Jim =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Red Bull Air Races
From: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Boothe has the smoke down. 8) -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429880#429880 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Red Bull Air Races
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Ha! Red Bull, here I come!! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2014, at 4:59 PM, "Dan P" wrote: > > > Boothe has the smoke down. 8) > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429880#429880 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 02, 2014
From: Bill Budgell <capaviation1(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints . Regards: Bill Budgell Cap Aviation Supplies ________________________________ From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett(at)swko.net > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > >From Andrew Pietenpol. > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_670.jpg & Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, >======================= > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Date: Sep 02, 2014
"you people"? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints . Regards: Bill Budgell Cap Aviation Supplies From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett(at)swko.net > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > >From Andrew Pietenpol. > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_670.jpg <http://forums.matronics.com/files/image_670.jpg> & Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, >======================= > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
From: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Last time I heard "you people",Archie Bunker said it. Mr. Pietenpol gave hi s permission to sell the used set of plans. Get over it. Next topic please. I would love to hear more about deck angle. This is a wonderful group of minds which has contributed greatly to my kn owledge. Thank you all Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 2, 2014, at 6:09 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > =9Cyou people=9D? > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your luck y he still sells the blueprints . > > Regards: Bill Budgell > > Cap Aviation Supplies > > From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> > To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" > Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would b e, but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purch ase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ a irplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans . > > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > From: dlplett(at)swko.net > > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700 > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > > > > >=46rom Andrew Pietenpol. > > > > -------- > > Dan Plett > > N28WH > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_670.jpg > & Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > >======================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Tool stock planned 19-22 February.
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Any interest here? Want as many Piet or airplane folks as possible. Should have mine avail for rides as much as possible. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429888#429888 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Jim, I will measure tomorrow and let you know, I may be short on a couple. Do you have your plane all covered, now? Or are you just getting to the rigg ing? I will bet it is absolutely beautiful. Tomorrow, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 2, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > > Hi Ray, > > I need four pieces 6 inches long. If you have that many I will gladly buy t hem from you. > > Jim > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2014
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Hi Ray, No I have to mount the pitot tube and have to make a L bracket to mount it. That is what I will be working on tomorrow. I also have to order about 18 feet of 1/4 inch Nylon II tubing for the pitot/static tube. Then the wings are ready to cover. I only have everything primed right now so when wings a re covered and primed then it is time for color coats. =C2- If any of your pieces of aluminium are at least 4 1/2 inches or longer that will work too. Thanks, Jim =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 02, 2014
From: Bill Budgell <capaviation1(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Yes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and th e guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. =0A=0AThe forum people do n't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what they thi nk they know but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these p eople don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. =0A=0AThe chatter is stupid I have made a lot of goo d friends from the site but most have left for exactly this reason ..... wh y don't you pass this on to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this .=0A=0AHalf of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell ne w builders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was designe d by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. =0A=0AIt seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pieten pol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on t he forum.=0A=0AI have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good information up to a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new ag e.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS . =0A=0ARegards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada=0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comca st.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, September 2, 2 014 9:09:13 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0A=0A=0A=9Cyou people=9D?=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A =0AFr om:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-s erver(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell=0ASent: Tuesday, September 0 2, 2014 5:52 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol -List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0AYes and the way you people carry on w ith his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints .=0A =0ARegards: Bill Budgell=0A =0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0AFrom:Doug =0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM=0ASubject : RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0AHe is more gracious th an most design holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I w ould question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the de sign holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves t he money as without him there would be no more Piet plans.=0A=0ADoug Dever =0AIn beautiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Piete npol plans=0A> From: dlplett(at)swko.net=0A> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0 700=0A> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A> =0A> --> Pietenpol-List messag e posted by: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>=0A> =0A> >From Andrew Pietenpol.=0A > =0A> --------=0A> Dan Plett=0A> N28WH=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this t opic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=42 9778#429778=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Attachments: =0A> =0A> http://forums.ma tronics.com/files/image_670.jpg=0A& Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse , Chat, FAQ,=0A>=================== ======0A> =0A> =0A> =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Evening flight
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Then I think I will have you covered! Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 2, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > > > Hi Ray, > No I have to mount the pitot tube and have to make a L bracket to mount it . That is what I will be working on tomorrow. I also have to order about 18 f eet of 1/4 inch Nylon II tubing for the pitot/static tube. Then the wings ar e ready to cover. I only have everything primed right now so when wings are c overed and primed then it is time for color coats. > > If any of your pieces of aluminium are at least 4 1/2 inches or longer tha t will work too. > Thanks, > Jim > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Grant: Here is a game plan in two parts, phase one we will rough it in the ball park, and part two we can do a sharp calculation adjusted for your plane. This path for using the W&B data we collected is basically the same no matter which engine or fuselage length a builder selects. 1) Pick a plane with the same engine and fuselage length, and similar configuration; In your case, lets look at the Corvair section of the articles Ryan and I produced. There are 4 planes in the table. Plane #1 is Randy Bush's 500 hr Piet : http://flycorvair.net/2013/07/11/randy-bushs-pietenpol-hits-500-hours/ note that his maximum pilot weight is 178 pounds, well below your target. Plane #2 is one of the steel tube Big Piets from GA, it is built differently than your plane, so it is not a good starting point. Plane #3 Is Kevin Purtee's Piet: http://flycorvair.net/2012/10/25/guest-writer-pietenpol-builderflyer-kevin-purtee/ note that it is in CG with any pilot from 151 to 310 pounds. This is your target. Plane #4 is the uncovered project that becomes the French Valley Piet: http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/08/new-pietenpol-eaa-1279-french-valley-ca/ Their plane was unfinished and doesn't have complete data for you, but I know from following the finished project they do not have the plane in a configuration to carry a pilot much over 170 pounds. ------------------------------- So Focusing in on Plane #3, What are the major differences with your plane? You mentioned your fuselage being 2" longer in the front bay, (this is an easy calculation to adjust) but lets check some other points: Kevin's Length from the prop flange to the firewall is 33" (MML), I need to know is your plane is different. Second, Kevin's plane had the top of the pilot seat back, on the front face where it met the longeron, 76.5" from the firewall (PSL). Theoretically your plane with the two extra inches in the fuselage front bay will be 78.5", please measure this and confirm it. Kevin's plane had the leading edge of the wing 12.6" behind the firewall (WL). Note that it also had the main landing gear axle 5.5" behind the Leading edge (MGL), or 18.1" behind his firewall. As we go through this, you may get a better picture of why Ryan and I settled on the describing the W&B in the terms we did, as it helps to clarify comparisons between planes and assists in calculations. Let me know the two items above, your MML and your PSL and we will go on to the next step. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429895#429895 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2014
Food for thought: If a plane was built, or the major portion of a plane was built from a set of plans, it seems to me the plans would go with the plane. A second owner of a finished plane not getting the plans is akin to a guy buying a certified airplane but not picking up the log books. The most important thing in a set of logs is not maintenance, it is what makes that individual plane different than others (337s, W&B, options). Since every homebuilt is one of a kind, the plans it was built from are a very important part of the records. Second owners of home builts have an atrocious safety record that is a major threat to our freedom to build. That's not an opinion, I have sat in on kit industry meetings where Feds have directly said this. ------------------------------------- Good reason #1 to buy new plans from the legitimate source: Access to all the data. Many of the people we worked with on the W&B project didn't get their plans from Don Pietenpol, and thus they could never ask "Is there a W&B sheet?" which there was, available from Don for the asking, which also contained the vital modern landing gear location. I bought my plans from Don in 1989 and got this information with the plans set. People who chose to get plans from other sources missed it and blindly built themselves into a CG corner. Many cheap builders think that everything they need to know can be found on the net. We have plenty of evidence that this isn't actually true, and access to any support from a good source is well worth buying. --------------------------------------- I read Andrew's reply and to me it said "One set of plans, one plane". I am not so sure he understood that the plans had been used to already produce one plane? Many people think that one plane from a set of plans. Consider this instead: One set of support and education from one set of plans, which I think of as even more fair. If four guys successively own the same set of plans, and each of them utilizes many hours of the providers time to learn a lot about building, I think they are abusing the system. If a designer teaches a guy a lot about building, say 10 hours of email and phone calls, then he earned minimum wage teaching that guy something about planes, and it isn't fair if the 2nd, 3rd and fourth guy get to reduce this to 1/4 min wage. ----------------------------------------- The next time at anyone is at Oshkosh, and you hear people complaining that they whole focus is on products for the wealthy, remember this topic, and understand that there would be many more plans built options for working guys if rank and file homebuilders just bought plans from the people that worked to develop them and provide support for the designs. I personally know kit designers who will not sell plans solely for this reason. You can go all the way back to the 1950s, and no one should have bought Cougar plans, but they did because Wittman asked a fair price for his Tailwind plans and the support he gave. Cheap people saved $100 on plans and got the lesser plane by a long shot. -------------------------------------- PS to Bill Budgell: When you are mad at people, call them out by name, it works better than using terms like "you people." General terms cause the very kind of negativity you don't like, and don't explain what it is you object to. If you think that I personally am harming Piet building, please say so. The verbal rifle bullet makes a better point that the verbal car bomb, and spares the collateral damage to the people you didn't want to include in "you people." Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429896#429896 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Turtle Deck Suppport
Date: Sep 03, 2014
John The rear seat headrest/ turtle deck support glues to the back of the cross brace forming the top of the seat. You don't need additional support. The support comes from the stringers on the turtle deck and make very ridged. If you glue it to the back of the of the upper cross brace it will give you room to run cockpit padding along the rear head rest. I made mine flush with the front of the seat because I'm tall and when I sat in the seat as shown on the plans the top cut me across my shoulder blades which was uncomfortable. With it on the front of the cross brace it was more comfortable for my size. However I do not have the space for running and padding around the rear headrest. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of john francis Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 12:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Suppport --> Where the top of the back seat and the turtle deck support meet, has me confused. I looked at some pictures on westcoastpiet and see that some of you have elected to make this joint flush and others have an offset here. It does appear to me that some additional (not in plans?) support is needed to tie these two components together. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429866#429866 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 03, 2014
Gee Bill, I am sure glad you are on here now, so that we can start getting good advice again.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoen sloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Bill Budgell =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Tue, Sep 2, 2014 9:47 pm=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A=0A=0A=0AYes you peopl e ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot o f helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site .. . yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell be cause these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. =0A=0A=0AThe forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what the y think they know but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. =0A=0A=0AThe chatter is stupid I have m ade a lot of good friends from the site but most have le ft for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this o n to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this.=0A =0A=0AHalf of what these people say is wrong and half of w hat they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple a ircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that h ad more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. =0A=0A=0AIt seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed ..... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the over bu ilding and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some commo n sense around on the forum.=0A=0A=0AI have never seen so mu ch indecision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good information up t o a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time s omeone spoke up here... its time to get back to correct ad vise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. =0A=0A =0ARegards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada=0A =0ACap Aviation S upplies=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From: Gary Boothe <gbo othe5(at)comcast.net>=0A To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0A Sent: Tuesd ay, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM=0A Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=9Cyou peopl e=9D?=0A =0A=0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A=0A =0A=0AFrom: owner -pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell=0ASent: Tuesday, September 0 2, 2014 5:52 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pi etenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A=0A =0A=0AYes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lu cky he still sells the blueprints .=0A=0A =0A=0ARegards: B ill Budgell=0A=0A =0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A=0A =0A=0A=0AFrom: Doug =0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"

=0ASent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:5 0:56 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0A =0A=0A=0AHe is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would ques tion a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000 + airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, bu t on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans.=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn be autiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used P ietenpol plans=0A> From: dlplett(at)swko.net=0A> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2 Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dan P" =0A> =0A> >From Andrew Pietenpol.=0A> =0A> --------=0A> Dan Plett=0A> N28WH=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Attachments: =0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com /files/image_670.jpg=0A& Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,=0A>====================== ===0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A =0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Li st=0A=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/co ntribution=0A=0A =0A =0Acom/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref="http://forums.matronics.com/"; target= "_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://w ww.matronics.com/contribution==============0A=0A=0A=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== -Matt Dralle =========================== ========0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Date: Sep 03, 2014
I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties. Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio Date: Tue=2C 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01 -0700 From: capaviation1(at)rogers.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and th e guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing... there s ome good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to peop le that don't know better to walk away. The=0A chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site but mos t have left for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this. Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new build ers is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing .... and spread some common sense around on the forum. I have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this fo rum I can go back in the archives and find good information up to a point . ... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. Regards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada Cap Aviation Supplies From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 9:09:13 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans =93you people=94? Gary BootheNX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@ma tronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell Sent: Tuesday=2C September 02=2C 2014 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints=0A . Regards: Bill Budgell Cap Aviation Supplies From: Doug <chiefpepperhe ad(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday=2C September 2=2C 2014 6:50:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would be=2C but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from th e design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10=2C000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little=2C but on the purchaser. Andrew de serves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett(at)swko.net > Date: Mon=2C 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > >From Andrew Pietenpol. > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com/files/image_670.jpg & Archive Search & Download=2C 7-Day Browse=2C Chat=2C FAQ=2C >======================= > > > =0A http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A =0A com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ht n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==============0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Date: Sep 03, 2014
Don't lose any sleep, Doug. Isn't it curious that Mr. Budgell has never posted on this forum (at least, not for several years), and, for his first post, he chooses to rage against all those who offer no guidance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet for 600 hrs! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:00 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio _____ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01 -0700 From: capaviation1(at)rogers.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. The chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site but most have left for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this. Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum. I have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good information up to a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. Regards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada Cap Aviation Supplies From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans "you people"? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints . Regards: Bill Budgell Cap Aviation Supplies From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > From: dlplett(at)swko.net > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > >From Andrew Pietenpol. > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com/files/image_670.jpg & Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, >======================= > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref "http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution============ ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: seat back
Date: Sep 03, 2014
Hey John, I'm not completely sure what your question is regarding the seatback bulkhead/turtledeck attachment. I know mine has a 1" recess from the face of the bulkhead to the face of the turtledeck ply. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: rants
Date: Sep 03, 2014
Hey all, I think Bill's "rant" is a great opportunity for us all to practice the restraint and common sense that we've been needing to bring back recently. I would suggest that when someone goes off "on a tear" like this that we just ignore it and if you absolutely can't let it pass, or if you're called our personally, simply email the "ranter" directly so we keep the list Piet building related and not get sucked into side issues like personalities, building approaches, etc. Just let it pass, let it pass. $.02 Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Thanks Scot!
Date: Sep 03, 2014
Scot, thanks so much for the great pic of my daughter with Re-PIET!! It's the best I have and is my new screen saver. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2014
From: Bill Budgell <capaviation1(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Just the response I thought there would be..... you guys always have to out do each other ...... as long as your all.... right.=0A=0Aas I read on the forum once ..... if the new people don't agree with us ...... we will ignor e them and they will go away.=0A=0AThe one thing about know it all's...... like this forum is you cant tell them nothing.=0A=0AOh Gary Boothe if tha t's all you can reply you have just proved my point ..... you really don't have anything to say or come back with of anything intelligent.... you onl y read what you want to read.=0A=0ANow you little boys play nice in the san d box..... while the real men vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum. =0A=0ARegards: Bill Budgell=0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comc ast.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, September 3 , 2014 9:29:54 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans =0A =0A=0A=0ADon=99t lose any sleep, Doug. Isn=99t it curious that Mr. Budgell has never posted on this forum (at least, not for several years), and, for his first post, he chooses to rage against all those who o ffer no guidance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet for 600 hrs!=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpo l-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.c om] On Behalf Of Doug=0ASent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:00 AM=0ATo: p ietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenp ol plans=0A =0AI certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties.=0A =0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________________ _______=0A=0ADate: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01 -0700=0AFrom: capaviation1@roge rs.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0ATo: pieten pol-list(at)matronics.com=0AYes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. =0A =0AThe forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come u p with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. =0A =0AThe chatter is stup id I have made a lot of good friends from the site but most have left for e xactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the forum and lets s ee the BS come back on this.=0A =0AHalf of what these people say is wrong a nd half of what they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple aircra ft to build. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. =0A =0AIt seems that th e new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed.. ... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol A ircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of building the plane as per pla ns and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum.=0A =0AI have never seen so much inde cision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archi ves and find good information up to a point .... then from that point you c an read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time som eone spoke up here... its time to get back to correct advise to new builder s that is backed up and not BS. =0A =0ARegards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada =0A =0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0AFrom:Gary Boothe =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:0 9:13 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0A =9Cyou people=9D?=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A =0AFrom:owner-pie tenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matron ics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell=0ASent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: U sed Pietenpol plans=0A =0AYes and the way you people carry on with his gran dfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints .=0A =0ARegards: Bill Budgell=0A =0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0AFrom:Doug =0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenp ol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0AHe is more gracious than most desig n holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder j ust to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as w ithout him there would be no more Piet plans.=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautifu l Stow Ohio=0A> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> From: dlplett(at)swko.net=0A> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700=0A> To: pietenpo <dlplett(at)swko.net>=0A> =0A> >From Andrew Pietenpol.=0A> =0A> --------=0A> Dan Plett=0A> N28WH=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A > =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Attachments: =0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/files/im age_670.jpg=0A& Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,=0A>= ========================0A> =0A> =0A> =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigato r?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/ contribution=0A =0Acom/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="n ofollow">http://wwwhref=%22http/forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matroni cs.com/contribution==============0A =0A =0A =0A =0A============0Ast" target="_blank">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A============0Ah ttp://forums.matronics.com/=0A============0A="_blan k">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A========== ==0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp: ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
Date: Sep 03, 2014
Wow, haven't seen anything like that since "The Fisherman" (he of Home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue) told everyone off. I hope it makes him feel better. On Sep 3, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Bill Budgell wrote: > Just the response I thought there would be..... you guys always have to out do each other ...... as long as your all.... right. > > as I read on the forum once ..... if the new people don't agree with us ...... we will ignore them and they will go away. > > The one thing about know it all's...... like this forum is you cant tell them nothing. > > Oh Gary Boothe if that's all you can reply you have just proved my point ..... you really don't have anything to say or come back with of anything intelligent.... you only read what you want to read. > > Now you little boys play nice in the sand box..... while the real men vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum. > > Regards: Bill Budgell > > Cap Aviation Supplies > > From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 9:29:54 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > Don=92t lose any sleep, Doug. Isn=92t it curious that Mr. Budgell has never posted on this forum (at least, not for several years), and, for his first post, he chooses to rage against all those who offer no guidance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet for 600 hrs! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:00 AM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties. > > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01 -0700 > From: capaviation1(at)rogers.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Yes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. > > The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. > > The chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site but most have left for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this. > > Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new builders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. > > It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum. > > I have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good information up to a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. > > Regards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada > > Cap Aviation Supplies > > From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > =93you people=94? > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints . > > Regards: Bill Budgell > > Cap Aviation Supplies > > From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> > To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" > Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > He is more gracious than most design holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would question a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans. > > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans > > From: dlplett(at)swko.net > > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700 > > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > > > > >=46rom Andrew Pietenpol. > > > > -------- > > Dan Plett > > N28WH > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429778#429778 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/files/image_670.jpg > & Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > >======================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com/ > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref=%22http/forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution======= ===== > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com/ > ========== > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution======= ===== > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: seat back
From: "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Sep 03, 2014
I figured it out Douwe. Some have the offset like you and some do not.. I read the plans as putting in the offset and Mike Cuy showed me his. Thanks -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429917#429917 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2014
From: Bill Budgell <capaviation1(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
your comments make you all look good keep them coming=0A=0A=0ARegards: Bi ll Budgell=0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0A=0A____________________________ ____=0A From: Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@mat ronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 10:20:43 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0A=0A=0AWow, haven't seen an ything like that since "The Fisherman" (he of Home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue) told everyone off. I hope it makes him feel better.=0A=0AOn Sep 3, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Bill Budgell wrote:=0A=0AJust the response I thought the re would be..... you guys always have to out do each other ...... as long a s your all.... right.=0A>=0A>=0A>as I read on the forum once ..... if the n ew people don't agree with us ...... we will ignore them and they will go away.=0A>=0A>=0A>The one thing about know it all's...... like this forum i s you cant tell them nothing.=0A>=0A>=0A>Oh Gary Boothe if that's all you c an reply you have just proved my point ..... you really don't have anything to say or come back with of anything intelligent.... you only read what y ou want to read.=0A>=0A>=0A>Now you little boys play nice in the sand box.. ... while the real men vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum. =0A>=0A>Regards: Bill Budgell=0A>=0A>Cap Aviation Supplies=0A> =0A> =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Gary Boothe <gbooth e5(at)comcast.net>=0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, Se ptember 3, 2014 9:29:54 AM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenp ol plans=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>Don=99t lose any sleep, Doug. Isn=99t it curious that Mr. Budgell has never posted on this forum (at least, not for several years), and, for his first post, he chooses to rage against all those who offer no guidance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing a fter flying his Piet for 600 hrs!=0A> =0A>Gary Boothe=0A>NX308MB=0A> =0A>Fr om:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-s erver(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug=0A>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 20 14 6:00 AM=0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-Li st: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties.=0A>=0A>Doug Dever=0A>In beautiful Stow Ohio=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>________________________________=0A>=0A>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01 -0700=0A>From: capaviation1(at)rogers.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol=0A plans=0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Yes you peop le ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol . ...the forum doesn't seem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all the y do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on th e site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that s ells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they load factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hinges no problem. =0A> =0A>The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual is.... and come up with BS on what they think they k now but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don 't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. =0A> =0A>The chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good frie nds from the site but most have left for exactly this reason ..... why don' t you pass this on to the forum and lets see the BS come back on this.=0A> =0A>Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new b uilders is incorrect this is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. =0A> =0A>It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to spoon feed this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to really back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pieten pol the honor of building the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on t he forum.=0A> =0A>I have never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good informati on up to a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called know it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its t ime to get back to correct advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. =0A> =0A>Regards: Bill Budgell AME. Canada=0A> =0A>Cap Aviation Sup plies=0A> =0A>From:Gary Boothe =0A>To: pietenpol-list @matronics.com =0A>Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>=9Cyou people =9D?=0A> =0A>Gary Boothe=0A>NX308MB=0A> =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-se rver(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Be half Of Bill Budgell=0A>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM=0A>To: pi etenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenp ol plans=0A> =0A>Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints .=0A> =0A>Regards: Bill B udgell=0A> =0A>Cap Aviation Supplies=0A> =0A>From:Doug =0A>To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0A>Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenp ol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>He is more gracious than most des ign holder. Certainly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would questi on a person's character who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a couple bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a little, but on the purchaser. Andrew deserves the money as without him there would be no more Piet plans.=0A>=0A>Doug Dever=0A>In bea utiful Stow Ohio=0A>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> > From: dlplett(at)swko.net=0A>> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:18:05 -0700=0A>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>> =0A>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>=0A>> =0A>> >From Andrew Pietenpol.=0A>> =0A> > --------=0A>> Dan Plett=0A>> N28WH=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Read this topic online here:=0A>> =0A>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p =429778#429778=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Attachments: =0A>> =0A>> http ://forums.matronics.com/files/image_670.jpg=0A>& Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,=0A>>=============== ==========0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>http://forum s.matronics.com/=0A>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A> =0A>com/Navig ator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wwwhref=%2 2http/forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">htn" target ="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=== ===========0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>======= =====0A>st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pi etenpol-List=0A>============0A>http://forums.matronic s.com/=0A>============0A>="_blank">http://www.matro nics.com/contribution=0A>============0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>http://forums.matr onics.com/=0A>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A> =0A>com/Navigator? 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Date: Sep 03, 2014
From: Bill Budgell <capaviation1(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
=0A=0ARegards: Bill Budgell=0A=0ACap Aviation Supplies=0A =0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>=0ATo: " pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Wedne sday, September 3, 2014 10:42:36 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A =0A=0A=0A =0AMy dad always said, "If you can't say an ything nice don't say anything at all." Never head him say a bad word abo ut anyone. In this case I'm totally at a loss for words.=0A=0Ado NOT archi ve.=0A=0ADoug Dever=0AIn beautiful Stow Ohio=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________ ________________=0AFrom: kipgohio1957(at)gmail.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-Li st: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0ADate: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:20:43 -0400=0ATo: p ietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A=0AWow, haven't seen anything like that since "The Fisherman" (he of Home Depot lumber and Elmer's glue) told everyone o ff. I hope it makes him feel better.=0A=0AOn Sep 3, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Bil l Budgell wrote:=0A=0AJust the response I thought there would be..... you g uys always have to out do each other ...... as long as your all.... right. =0A>=0A>=0A>as I read on the forum once ..... if the new people don't agree with us ...... we will ignore them and they will go away.=0A>=0A>=0A>The one thing about know it all's...... like this forum is you cant tell them nothing.=0A>=0A>=0A>Oh Gary Boothe if that's all you can reply you have jus t proved my point ..... you really don't have anything to say or come back with of anything intelligent.... you only read what you want to read.=0A> =0A>=0A>Now you little boys play nice in the sand box..... while the real m en vacate this forum and move on to a non spoon feeding forum. =0A>=0A>Reg ards: Bill Budgell=0A>=0A>Cap Aviation Supplies=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>_________ _______________________=0A> From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>=0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 9:29:5 4 AM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>Don=99t lose any sleep, Doug. Isn=99t it curious that Mr. B udgell has never posted on this forum (at least, not for several years), an d, for his first post, he chooses to rage against all those who offer no gu idance, faulty guidance, yet he has offered nothing after flying his Piet f or 600 hrs!=0A> =0A>Gary Boothe=0A>NX308MB=0A> =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] O n Behalf Of Doug=0A>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:00 AM=0A>To: piet enpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>I certainly hope it wasn't me who peed in your Wheaties.=0A> =0A>Doug Dever=0A>In beautiful Stow Ohio=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>___________________ _____________=0A>=0A>Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:47:01 -0700=0A>From: capaviat ion1(at)rogers.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol=0A plans =0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Yes you people ....( not you as the person) I know you are defending Andrew Pietenpol ....the forum doesn't s eem to do a lot of helping new builders plus all they do is re-engineer the Pietenpol why do think Andrew Pietenpol isn't on the site ... yet he still cares but he's not there anymore and the guy that sells the hinges that vi kapler use to sell because these guys cant be told anything..... they loa d factors type of material etc.... what crap I have 600hrs. on kaplers hing es no problem. =0A> =0A>The forum people don't even know what AC43 manual i s.... and come up with BS on what they think they know but in reality they know nothing... there some good people on there but I can see anyone with common sense that makes a statement these people don't listen.... and they pass there BS on to people that don't know better to walk away. =0A> =0A>T he chatter is stupid I have made a lot of good friends from the site but m ost have left for exactly this reason ..... why don't you pass this on to t he forum and lets see the BS come back on this.=0A> =0A>Half of what these people say is wrong and half of what they tell new builders is incorrect th is is a simple aircraft to build. and was designed by a good man that had more common sense in his baby finger than what I see in this hole forum. =0A> =0A>It seems that the new way in aviation and in homebuilding is to sp oon feed this new breed..... on every little item If the forum wants to re ally back the Pietenpol Aircraft then do Andrew Pietenpol the honor of buil ding the plane as per plans and stop the over building and analyzing every dam thing.... and spread some common sense around on the forum.=0A> =0A>I h ave never seen so much indecision on the building like I have on this forum I can go back in the archives and find good information up to a point .... then from that point you can read the BS from the new age.... so called kn ow it all's.... It time someone spoke up here... its time to get back to co rrect advise to new builders that is backed up and not BS. =0A> =0A>Regard s: Bill Budgell AME. Canada=0A> =0A>Cap Aviation Supplies=0A> =0A>From:Ga ry Boothe =0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Se nt: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:09:13 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: R e: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>=9Cyou people=9D?=0A> =0A>Gary Boothe=0A>NX308MB=0A> =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [m ailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Budgell =0A>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:52 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matroni cs.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pietenpol plans=0A> =0A>Yes and the way you people carry on with his grandfathers design your lucky he still sells the blueprints .=0A> =0A>Regards: Bill Budgell=0A> =0A>Cap A viation Supplies=0A> =0A>From:Doug =0A>To: "pi etenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0A>Sent: Tuesda y, September 2, 2014 6:50:56 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Used Pi etenpol plans=0A> =0A>He is more gracious than most design holder. Certain ly more than I would be, but nonetheless I would question a person's charac ter who would not purchase plans from the design holder just to save a coup le bucks on a $10,000+ airplane. This is no reflection on you...well a litt le, but on the purchaser. 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Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
From: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>
Date: Sep 03, 2014
Wow, this has taken a life of its own not necessarily in a good way. Here is my email to Andrew that got that response. Looking back maybe I should have included with Andrew's reply. > Andrew > I bought a flying Pietenpol with plans. The Piet was damaged in an accident and sold for salvage. I still have the plans. Is it the intent in the sale of the plans that 'one set of plans is to build one air camper'? Is it against the Bernard Pietenpol tradition and the family's wishes for me to sell or even give away my air camper plans? > > Sincerely > > Dan Rather than have everyone (that is interested) scroll back to Andrews reply. > Dear Dan, > > Thank you most graciously for asking. They are yours. Copyright laws do not allow for reproduction and resale. But as they are your set now you can sell your one set to a person who wants to build an airplane or donate. I hope this helps. > > Sincerely > > Andrew Pietenpol It seems a shame to discard a set of plans when possibly there is someone with a damaged sheet or two that could possibly have a better copy. -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429923#429923 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: Turtle Deck Suppport
Date: Sep 03, 2014
This is the same way I did mine: Seat back glued to the front of the fusela ge brace=3B turtledeck bulkhead glued to the rear of the brace=2C creating the 'step'. Works good. Lorenzo > From: CatDesigns(at)att.net > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turtle Deck Suppport > Date: Wed=2C 3 Sep 2014 00:40:42 -0700 > > > John > > The rear seat headrest/ turtle deck support glues to the back of the cros s > brace forming the top of the seat. You don't need additional support. T he > support comes from the stringers on the turtle deck and make very ridged. If > you glue it to the back of the of the upper cross brace it will give you > room to run cockpit padding along the rear head rest. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 03, 2014
From: <r.r.hall(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head
What are the best cores to have? I found a guy locally that has advertised 2 RH cases with 9409 cranks and 3 "correct" cylinder heads for $500. Would it be worth it if they are in decent shape? Rodney Hall ---- William Wynne wrote: > > Builders, > > This E-mail came to me today. I don't know him personally, but it sounds like he has many of the correct engines to build for a Pietenpol. The note is also a good indication of how many Corvair cores are left. Its nice to think that someone who buys one of these engines will fly back over the same spot on the way to Brodhead in a few years. -ww. > > ----------------------------- > > William, > > Came across your website and thought I'd forward you my contact info if you know > of anyone looking for corvair engines. > > I Just recently purchased three trailer loads of corvair parts from an auction > in Beloit, WI, 90 year old guy sold everything out. I mostly was bidding against > scrap dealers, even though I'm not a corvair guy, I didn't want to see the > engines and parts scrapped. a dozen plus complete engines that include:RZ, RB, > RD, RG, RH, YB, YN, Z, ZF types. A number of other parts too. > > If you know of anyone that's looking for anything particular, I may be able to > help. Everything is located in Janesville, WI. > > Joe Conway > (608) 322-0974 > Local311joe(at)gmail.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429563#429563 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 03, 2014
Rodney, My advice is to purchase entire core engines - not cases and heads. You need most of the core parts to be rebuilt and you want certain pieces of the the sheet metal for shrouding the engine. Not to mention valve covers, distributor, etc, etc. I'm not up on current prices but i think $200-$250 these days for a "complete" core is reasonable. I paid $100 10 years ago. If you have purchased the conversion manual from W Wynn you will know what engine codes are best and which are to be avoided. His videos are very good as well. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429930#429930 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February.
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 03, 2014
I'll be there! Hide your welder from Terry and me :) -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429933#429933 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February.
Date: Sep 03, 2014
I'll plan to be there Fri & Sat. I certainly won't be flying mine yet=2C bu t I'll plan to bring some of the big pieces for show-and-tell. Lorenzo=2C Tellico Plains=2C TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February.
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 03, 2014
Should have a fantastically gifted aircraft welder coming from middle Georgia to help folks. So no problem! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429937#429937 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February.
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 03, 2014
Lorenzo, That's great! Bringing along a project? I'll make sure we can fit whatever you bring under cover or inside. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429938#429938 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rants
From: "gsnewsome" <newfaithkat(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 03, 2014
After reading through the referenced thread, I agree with your recommendation. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429939#429939 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!?
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 03, 2014
Hello good Piet-ple, I am in the process of building up the inboard ends and the center section of the wing. If I read the plans correctly, one of the bolts that holds the metal attach strap is directly in line with the inboard end rib. Since I am using a solid plywood end rib, I would not be able to get that bolt in or out. So has anyone else moved the rib slightly outboard - as I show in the attached photo - so the the bolt is accessible...?!?!? And if I do that, is there somewhere else I may be getting in trouble if I do this...??!? thanks..... BTW, proof it does RAIN in Seattle.... (airplane building season!) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429943#429943 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag1933_1_118.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/seattle_rain_192.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!?
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 03, 2014
Jake, If you read the plans correctly, you'll also see that there aren't any solid plywood ribs. :) Yes, you are reading the plans correctly when you say that one of the mounting bolts for the spar butt joint straps does fall in the space occupied by the inboard rib. Just not sure why you would ever need to remove that bolt. However, if you wanted to keep that option open, you could notch out a space in your plywood rib to allow you to do that. If you move that rib further outboard, you will be increasing the gap between wing and centersection that needs to be bridged (usually with a strip of aluminum.) In looking at your photo, your plywood rib appears to be about 1/4" thick. I think you will need to add some reinforcement to that rib for it to be able to resist the lateral forces that will be imposed on it by the fabric as it shrinks. The plywood will not be as rigid as the built-up Spruce rib. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429949#429949 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_311.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anybody move the inboard rib slightly outboard....?!!?!?
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 03, 2014
Thanks Bill.... yes, I will have to reinforce the plywood rib. I did not build my wing (bought it from a gentleman who had started a Piet and then sold it) so I do not have a rib jig. Since every jig is slightly different, I made my plywood ribs EXACTLY the same contour as the already built-up ribs. I also figure it'll be nice to have those end ribs closed off as some other folks have done as well....?!?!? I had not thought to make a cutout for the bolt and just "leave it in there" after I glued in the rib.... interesting thought worth some further consideration - thx. -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429950#429950 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tarp
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Beautiful ship and young lady. Douwe, is your gas cap vent on backwards? Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Sep 2, 2014, at 10:31 AM, "namrednos" wrote: > > > Douwe, the weather was great until 6:30 > > Your plane is one of a kind. I was very impressed with your delightful daughter. I wish one of my 4 daughters would take interest in our hobby. > > See attached > > -------- > Scott > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429845#429845 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/imgp1463_194.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Used Pietenpol plans
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
... -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429964#429964 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 12 rebuildable Corvair engines 20 miles from B-head
From: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
If I weren't 900 miles away--------------- -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429967#429967 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: More Smoke
From: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Gary, maybe I overlooked it. What pump are you using? -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429968#429968 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: More Smoke
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
It's a windshield washer tank and pump that fit my dimensions. I think it's a Toyota. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2014, at 8:29 AM, "Dan P" wrote: > > > Gary, maybe I overlooked it. What pump are you using? > > -------- > Dan Plett > N28WH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429968#429968 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Louvres
From: John Fastnaught <fastnaught(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Douwe, Your plane is beautiful. I'm just about ready to assemble mine and have at least one dilemma to solve. I see in the picture you have louvres in your cowling. I need to install some in my lower cowling. Could you give me some hints on how to install them ( jigs, techniques, problems, etc). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jack Ford powered N144JF Sent from my iPad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Louvres
From: John Fastnaught <fastnaught(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Douwe, Your plane is beautiful. I'm just about ready to assemble mine and have at least one dilemma to solve. I see in the picture you have louvres in your cowling. I need to install some in my lower cowling. Could you give me some hints on how to install them ( jigs, techniques, problems, etc). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jack Ford powered N144JF Sent from my iPad > On Sep 4, 2014, at 7:18 AM, Jack wrote: > > > Beautiful ship and young lady. Douwe, is your gas cap vent on backwards? > > Sent from my iPad > Jack Textor > >> On Sep 2, 2014, at 10:31 AM, "namrednos" wrote: >> >> >> Douwe, the weather was great until 6:30 >> >> Your plane is one of a kind. I was very impressed with your delightful daughter. I wish one of my 4 daughters would take interest in our hobby. >> >> See attached >> >> -------- >> Scott >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429845#429845 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/imgp1463_194.jpg > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Eyesight now Holiday Inn for Air Races
From: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Thanks Steve. I'll pass that on to the travel coordinator. :D -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429978#429978 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: one way of installing cowling louvers
Date: Sep 04, 2014
John-here's how I installed my louvers in my 2024 T3 cowling. I found a local machine shop (from car show guys at car shows) who had louvers punched in their hot rod hoods and the shop had various si zed dies but they tore the edges of the 2024 material. I gave the shop 000 dead soft aluminum and the louvers punched very cleanly . The attached photos show how I then attached the 000 aluminum to the cowling in 3 areas and after almost 500 hours of flying and 16 years there have been no cracks in the vents. Mike C. [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFC844.42D8A7A0] [cid:image002.jpg(at)01CFC844.42D8A7 A0] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "GrantZ" <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
William, Here is the additional info you requested: MML: I have not yet built my motor mount so I can make it so that MML is 33". Prop flange to rearmost protrusion on the motor is about 29-3/4" so 33" will be about right. PSL: 80". Difference is due to additional 2" in first bay plus I raked the seat back a little more for comfort. I am using a 1/4" ply firewall. Thanks again for your assistance. Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429983#429983 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Subject: Gap Seals
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
If I can find some 1" square balsa wood I'm planning to make gap seals for my elevators and rudder. I already have full-length piano hinges for the ailerons which will provide gap seals for the ailerons. My question is this. Which is best, putting the gap seal on the elevators and rudder or on the vertical and horizontal stabilizer? Or does it matter which? It seems from a non-aeronautical perspective that the seal would be better on the movable surfaces. Anyone have any experience with this type of seal? Another question just popped into my mind. Rather than use balsa could the seal be made from plastic foam? The seals would be covered during the covering process, but would the foam be too prone to being dented by dings of some sort? Any insight into this would be appreciated. Chuck ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February.
From: "GrantZ" <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Tools, Please count me in! Grant Ziebell Savannah TN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429985#429985 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gap Seals
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Don't think you need gap seals for any part of the tail....plenty of elevato r and rudder control. Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2014, at 11:29 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote: > > If I can find some 1" square balsa wood I'm planning to make gap seals for my elevators and rudder. I already have full-length piano hinges for the a ilerons which will provide gap seals for the ailerons. My question is this. Which is best, putting the gap seal on the elevators and rudder or on the v ertical and horizontal stabilizer? Or does it matter which? It seems from a non-aeronautical perspective that the seal would be better on the movable s urfaces. Anyone have any experience with this type of seal? Another questi on just popped into my mind. Rather than use balsa could the seal be made f rom plastic foam? The seals would be covered during the covering process, b ut would the foam be too prone to being dented by dings of some sort? Any i nsight into this would be appreciated. Chuck > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2014
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Gap Seals
I made gap seals out of the same douglas fir I built the rest of the plane with,glued between the Vi Kapler hinges. After covering and assembly I sealed the gap with clear duct tape trimmed to the proper width, attached to the bottom side of both horizontal stab and elevators. Since I had the per plans barn door hinges on my ailerons, I did the same method to seal them too. The clear duct tape has been in place for over 4 years now and is still holding up. Its not obvious at all. I've never heard it was necessary to do the rudder. Ben On 9/4/2014 2:29 PM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: > If I can find some 1" square balsa wood I'm planning to make gap seals > for my elevators and rudder. I already have full-length piano hinges > for the ailerons which will provide gap seals for the ailerons. My > question is this. Which is best, putting the gap seal on the > elevators and rudder or on the vertical and horizontal stabilizer? Or > does it matter which? It seems from a non-aeronautical perspective > that the seal would be better on the movable surfaces. Anyone have > any experience with this type of seal? Another question just popped > into my mind. Rather than use balsa could the seal be made from > plastic foam? The seals would be covered during the covering process, > but would the foam be too prone to being dented by dings of some sort? > Any insight into this would be appreciated. Chuck > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Subject: Re: Gap Seals
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
OK! Thanks, Gary and Ben. I'm using the type hinges on my rudder and elevators that were shown on the GN-1 plans. I had a set of those before I got the Pietenpol plans. The gap is probably wider than the Piet gaps. That was the reason that I figured I might need seals. The gaps are 1-inch wide and if my reading the plans is correct the Piet hinges would yield a 1/2-inch gap. I hadn't thought of the transparent tape. Where on earth did you get transparent duct tape? Did you use any method of attaching the tape other than the glue on the tape? Chuck On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Don't think you need gap seals for any part of the tail....plenty of > elevator and rudder control. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2014, at 11:29 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" < > charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote: > > If I can find some 1" square balsa wood I'm planning to make gap seals for > my elevators and rudder. I already have full-length piano hinges for the > ailerons which will provide gap seals for the ailerons. My question is > this. Which is best, putting the gap seal on the elevators and rudder or > on the vertical and horizontal stabilizer? Or does it matter which? It > seems from a non-aeronautical perspective that the seal would be better on > the movable surfaces. Anyone have any experience with this type of seal? > Another question just popped into my mind. Rather than use balsa could > the seal be made from plastic foam? The seals would be covered during the > covering process, but would the foam be too prone to being dented by dings > of some sort? Any insight into this would be appreciated. Chuck > > * > > D============================================ > npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > D============================================ > //forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> > D============================================ > ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > D============================================ > > * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Louvres
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
In addition to what Douwe can provide, Mike Cuy provided several drawing on west cost piet http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy_3.htm -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429995#429995 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2014
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Any Piets/Builders in the Florence SC area?
I may have a trip to the area coming up soon....can probably fly into Charlotte or Raleigh. I'll buy dinner.... :-) Jim in Pryor ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tool stock planned 19-22 February.
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Consider yourself counted. However, please note it's not necessary! I do like feedback to help plan, but it's an open event. Welcome to camp, crash, bring a cot, elbow your way into a room, whatever! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430000#430000 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Louvres
From: Fastnaught John <fastnaught(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
You guys have been very helpful. This is what the list is all about. people helping people. Thanks again, Jack On Sep 4, 2014, at 3:54 PM, bdewenter wrote: > > In addition to what Douwe can provide, Mike Cuy provided several drawing on west cost piet > > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy_3.htm > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429995#429995 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Any Piets/Builders in the Florence SC area?
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
If you're up for it.. while in Florence, SC..look up Dr. James Hodges. He has 413 hrs in my GN-1, until he wrecked it May 17, 2000 while taking off there. I bought the airframe a decade later after Fred Dexter rebuilt it (restorer of wrong way Corrigan's Curtis Robin) He may have some good flying stories. He currently flies a Pober Pixie. I spoke with him briefly after I bought said airframe and he sent me the wreck photos. His #843-669-4963 Larry -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430014#430014 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Subject: Re: Gap Seals
From: "Andre B. Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
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Date: Sep 04, 2014
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Subject: Any Piets at Triple Tree?
I'm flying 629ML down to Triple Tree tomorrow. Any pireps from other Pieter's there much appreciated. Matt Paxton Sent from AOL Mobile Mail ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Any Piets/Builders in the Florence SC area?
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Jim, It may be a little out of your way, but Barnwell SC is about 120 miles from Florence, and it is the home of the Pietenpols of PF Beck and Don Harper. You can get a look at Don's plane at this link: http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/17/nwe-pietenpol-2700-corvair-don-harper-sc/ And there are a number of Photos of PF and his plane at this story about the 'Cherry Grove Trophy' which we award to the Corvair pilot of the year. (We awarded it to PF in 2011, and Kevin Purtee and Shelley Tumino in 2012.) : http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/18/the-cherry-grove-trophy/ For the 5th consecutive year we are holding the November college at Barnwell, on the 7-9th. PF has said he would like to have more Piets there, of all engine persuasions. You can read about it at this link: http://flycorvair.net/2014/06/19/corvair-college-30-and-31-sign-up-now-open/ William Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430023#430023 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 04, 2014
Grant, Here is the rough (+ or - 3/4") basic CG for your plane. We can work this a little closer with a fine calculation in a second part, but you could easily build with confidence off this data. ------------ Looking at the differences: One way to look at having 2" in the front fuselage bay is to consider it as having a motor mount that is 2" longer. In the first part of the series that Ryan and I wrote, we showed that making a loner motor mount has far less effect than most people think. In the sample we did, moving an A-65 4" forward netted only a 1" change in the EWCG. On your aircraft, having the engine sitting 2" further forward will roughly produce only a 1/2" forward shift over Kevin's installation, not much, and it is in a favorable direction. . On your Pilot Seat Location, as you mentioned, a small part of the difference is leaning the seat back. This will not produce a substantial pilot CG shift, at only part of the pilots mass is leaning back, and then it is only moving half the distance that the top of the seat back is shifted, if you left the seat bottom in the plans location. This difference is negligible, even with a 225 pound pilot. . If you look at the Corvair notes for Kevin's plane (#3), you can see the leading edge of his wing is 12.625" behind the firewall. To simulate this location on your longer fuselage, you could set your leading edge at 14.625" If the #3 pilot weight range is 151-310 pounds, this would look like 165-325 with your longer fuselage. That's not bad, because it would put you flying at 225 pounds in the middle of the Pietenpol's 15-20" CG range. There is no benefit to just squeaking in the aft end of the range, you are far better off operating in the middle of it. . The #3 planes landing gear is 5.5" behind the leading edge, or 5.5 + 12.625" = 18.125" behind the firewall. If you wanted yours in the same spot, it would be 20.125" back from your firewall. Personally, I think this is too far back. If you are using 6x6's with hyd. brakes, putting the axle at your leading edge would make it 14.625" aft of your firewall. the furthest back I would consider putting it is 17.625" behind your firewall. . For the second part of this, the fine calculation, I am going to need to retrieve some raw data from Ryan's archives. Starting with the weight on the scales of plane #3, we can do an exact calculation to account for the shift in engine position caused by having a 2" longer fuselage. The math on this will look like this: 1) Retrieve EWCG of plane #3 2) Remove 250 pounds of engine/prop/cowl from its CG location 24" ahead of the firewall 250x(24" + the 12.625" for FW to LE) 3) Replace the 250 pound motor installation 2" forward 250 x (24" + 14.625") 4) Recalculate aircraft CG location with 225 pilot. 5) Recalculate Min and Max allowable pilot weights. . The fine tuned calculation should be within a half inch of the measured CG of the plane when it is done. You can hit a lot closer than this if we were dealing with a comparison between two metal kit aircraft, but builder variations on Piet's don't allow that level of prediction. Still, even the rough first stage plan outlined above is vastly better than the pilots who had a rude awakening when their planes hit the scales, and they found out that 30 minutes of reading and planning is a lot easier than weeks of moving the wing, or building new gear or both. . BTW, here is a good look at one of our powder coated, high thrust line mounts. It is on Mark Chouinard's plane. http://flycorvair.net/2013/10/17/pietenpol-mount-on-airframe/ We make all of these mounts are 33" MML. The is the same mount that is also on Kevin Purtee's, Bob Dewenter's, Terry Hand's, Dave Aldrich's and Jim Boyer's builds.-ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430024#430024 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
This is all very interesting William. Thank you I have widened my Piet by two inches. If I wanted you to make me an engine mount, is this possible or have you got a fixed jig for a standard width fuselage? Scotty Australia -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Fuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430027#430027 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Theron <johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Subject: New video of UK Pietenpol G_BUCO
Have a look at the most well known and very widely traveled Pietenpol in the UK, probably known to you all, G-BUCO. BUCO was built many years ago now by Alan James and he's still flying her and has flown over 1000 hours, a true tribute to Bernie. Alan flies BUCO all over the UK and even across the channel a few times (and under it once)! See: http://youtu.be/LrYhgZh1lTM English Johnny Building wings extremely slowly. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Scotty, Our motor mount fixture is adjustable to compensate for builder variation in width caused by people putting the side skins of the fuselage before assembly or afterwards. The first makes the plane 24" wide, the latter 24.25", and we actually make different mounts for each of them to make sure every one of them fits like a glove. A 26" fuselage is a different story, but we make many custom mounts every year, mostly for one-off planes. The major impediment to mounts going down under is the abominable shipping cost. We can check this out in advance when you are ready, but it may make building it there a lot more attractive, and if so I would be glad to supply the 'tray' or even precut tubing, or just share all the dimensions. -ww Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430034#430034 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: what a great video John Theron----thank you for sharing!
Date: Sep 05, 2014
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Subject: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
For those of you following the W&B discussion I am reminding the Piet builders that I wrote a little W&B app that makes it very easy and very intuitive to play W&B "what-if" scenarios including moving an item -such as an engine or a battery to see how it changes CG. If you want a copy email me OFF list at rdewenter at woh.rr.com I still owe this to Jack T and one other gentleman this app - sorry Im late on this guys its on its way. There is even a calculation for Max pilot weight - (used for worst case scenario - no fuel situation). The min pilot weight is a little flaky it does not work in all situations but max pilot does its intended job perfectly. After using it myself I could see how a properly built airplane is harder to get loaded out of CG - perhaps the Pietenpol is not as impervious to this as a C-172 but its a great learning tool. It also demonstrates how a light plane is MORE easy to get out of CG than a HEAVY one. Food for thought -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430037#430037 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wbtool_101.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New video of UK Pietenpol G_BUCO
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
GREAT video - thanks for posting. It was a very similar video of Mike Cuys Award winning Piet that hooked me - "man I have to get one of those". And I am making steady progress on my Piet I started 3 years ago. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430039#430039 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Repairman certificate questions
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Tom, I understand that your comments may have been light hearted, but follow this story below for a different perspective on maintenance ratings: . Almost a quarter of a century ago, I graduated from arguably the finest A&P program in the world (Embry-Riddle) with a 3.85 GPA after 2,880 hours of documented classroom instruction from some of the greatest mechanics who ever wrenched on a plane. Men like this guy: http://flycorvair.net/2014/02/23/erau-models-of-integrity/ I intentionally selected Mike Williams as my O&P examiner, as he was known to be very tough, and actually failed a lot of candidates. Being able to say "Mike Williams was my examiner" was enough to get an entry job in many respected FBO's in the South East then. . My first job was changing a cylinder on a Navion that was flying a Man and his family to the Bahamas the following day. The pay was $100. I took the money, quietly found the most experienced mechanic at the airport, and told him I would give it all to him if he came over and directly supervised what I was doing. Some people thought of this as giving money away, but I had just spent 2.5 years spending money to learn, now I was learning for free. The work went smoothly, the plane make the trip without issue.The Mechanics name was Steve Upson, we are friends to this day. The Pilots name was Bruce Smith, I was later friends with him, you can see his picture and read of his life at the bottom of this link: http://flycorvair.net/2014/01/21/risk-management-reference-page/ He died 17 years after I changed the cylinder. He was well enough known that his obituary was in the NYT. He had 25,000 hrs in planes, but he died flying a Swift 10 miles on a ferry permit, because the person doing the preflight was not careful enough, and missed something they shouldn't have. . If you listen to mechanics speak, a number of people will say "I have and A&P". Now note that the best of them will say a slightly different phrase "I am an A&P". No one is going to become an A&P by taking a 40 hour class or finding some loophole to get a piece of paper in their wallet. Many people in maintenance, not just me, think that the LSA mechanic rating, where a guy who's whole training is 40 hours can then can go judge airworthiness on imported aircraft that are primarily flown by student pilots who where taught by LSA-CFI's with 125 hours TT, is a preposterous joke. Just because it is 'legal' doesn't make it right, nor does it mean that people with ethics participate in it. . Having the repairman's certificate for your own plane is a good idea, and a valid maintenance path. Trying to acquire an A&P by learning the least amount possible so then it will be 'legal' to work on planes that other people families will fly is not a morally defensible idea. Being a good mechanic is a serious craft that requires a lot of work, and the judgment to know what things you should not do. It is not to be taken as a joke. Some people understand this, others don't. The guy who did the inspection on the plane Bruce Smith died in did not. -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430044#430044 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: gas vent, louvers and gap seals...
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Good eye Jack! I caught that later that afternoon and am really puzzled by it actually. I fueled up before I left and am as sure as possible that I didn't replace it backwards. Yet I can't imagine someone turning it around at the fly-in unless it was a bad joke. Scared the pants off me that I could have done that. Regarding Louvers, I did like Mike but found a place online that punched louvers. I had them punch them according to a drawing and send me the sheet which I then made into my cowling inspection/access hatches. Find a hot rod shop/machine shop (I guess they still exist) I gap sealed my tail surfaces. I used balsa also, but attached it to both sides to meet in the middle. Don't know if it helped the flying characteristics 'cause I never flew RE-PIET without 'em. 1" seems a lot, and you can't hurt anything by adding them. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: By butt & butt joints
From: "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
A butt joint is the weakest joint in woodworking. I see in the plans the two stringers under the seat are that. Has anyone done anything to reinforce these stringers? I dont believe it would take much downward force to pop those joints loose. I understand the seat itself is supported around the perimeter but a couple of Gs might be enough downward force to break these boards loose and I wouldnt want them floating around in that area. Your thoughts? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430049#430049 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0006_873.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: gas vent, louvers and gap seals...
An alternative for louvers and other metal needs. https://www.airpartsinc.com/shopexd.asp?id=1775&bc=no If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: By butt & butt joints
John, I added small gussets in those areas as shown in picture 1. The other picture shows how the seat frame was modified for the push/pull tube and how the support structure was made. If you do not have your seat bottom removeable, it is the gusset. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My butt & butt joints
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
John, WestCoastPiets man! Mike Cuy has several pictures of a beefed up seat support Going to Barnwell this fall? -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430055#430055 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: By butt & butt joints
From: "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Yep, I agree. Thanks for the picture. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430057#430057 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My butt & butt joints
From: "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Bob, Now Im confused. I am told to get off the computer and build, build, build. Do you expect me to view every picture on westcoastpiet?? I know how I would support it but wondered if any one else had. If you follow the plans (as Michael says) the seat is the gusset if glued down. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430058#430058 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: front seat supports---one way to do it.
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Thank you for the good words Bob Dewenter! I'm thrilled a video of my Pie t encouraged you to build. This plane has a way about it that just spark s people into building when they see one that motivates them highly. Getting to fl y Frank Pavliga's Sky Gypsy got me building and I never looked back. Grea t little airplane. And you're doing GREAT John Francis because you're asking questions AND cut ting wood and gluing wood. I spent about 30 minutes every day reading the Bingelis books and talking/ calling other builders (Before Al Gore invented the internet) when I had questions and it paid off. Here's the way I setup my front seat after I had the original design crack a support loose before 1st flight. One detail in the attached/imbedded photo is the 1/8" thick doubler I glued to the seat front face bulkhead-----Frank P. sug gested I double up both L & R sides where the rudder bar/ foot movement on the rudder can crack that thin 1/8" piece over time. Not 100% necessary but I'm gla d I glued those pieces in there. Mike C. [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFC8FF.55A36120] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: By butt & butt joints
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
My 2 cents on the vertical seat base in the photo above marked 3/22/2010: It is a structural mistake to cut it out like that. The plans show this as a 5.5" or 6" tall 23" wide sheet. Yes it has a hole in it for the control tube, but it has a continuous side to side stick at the front of the seat that is cut out in the photo. . If built to plans, even with the hole in it, the 6" plate is a shear web that spreads half the seat loads all the way to the sides of the plane. Built in the photo, weight on the seat will be allowed to bend the bottom of the fuselage at the center line. Don't take my word for this, just ask Jack Phillips about this. . Wood structures work because you glue the all together and they become "monolithic." Well made glue joins do a great job spreading loads. deciding to make a wood panel removable essentially prevents it from pulling its share of the load and supporting adjacent panels. Having a seat bottom that isn't glued in is a mistake, and combining it with a structurally cut 6" front support compounds the issue. . Not flying aerobatics? Go ask anyone with a G meter in their plane where the needle points after a really hard landing, and that applies to planes with 9" of suspension travel and regular aircraft tires with several inches of sidewall deflection. Just because it holds a big guy in the workshop means nothing on the flight line. . If you don't know structures, resist offering guidance to other builders on how to modify load bearing elements of their planes. -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430061#430061 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Gear
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Well after much fitting, remaking of parts and installing my gear legs are o n and cross cabled. A very satisfying day. My wheels are almost complete a nd ready for install as well. And "no" I didn't install my turtledeck on the underside of the belly. It's just sitting in a convenient spot out of the w ay. Very motivating. Scott Knowlton Burlington On. Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Subject: Re: Gear
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
A great feeling, isn't it? Congratulations. Ken On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Scott Knowlton wrote: > Well after much fitting, remaking of parts and installing my gear legs are > on and cross cabled. A very satisfying day. My wheels are almost complete > and ready for install as well. And "no" I didn't install my turtledeck on > the underside of the belly. It's just sitting in a convenient spot out of > the way. > Very motivating. > > Scott Knowlton > Burlington On. > > > Sent from my iPhone > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Subject: Transparent duct tape
This is what I used to seal my gaps. Its lasted 5 years without replacement b ut its out of the monstrous slipstream Ben Sent from my iPhone


      
      
      
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From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Subject: Gap seal
As you can see my gaps are pretty tight. As Douwe mentioned the are spacers on both sides. By using two pieces of tape stuck to each other I was able t o attach it to the upper surface of the horizontal stabilizer and to the low er surface of the elevator Ben Sent from my iPhone

      
      
      
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From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Subject: Aileron gap seals
Using the same transparent duct tape I was able to seal the gaps on my ailer ons with the barn door type hinges as you can see in the picture Ben Sent from my iPhone

      
      
      
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From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Gear
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Scott, Don't leave your plane in this position too longer, nor scratch it's belly, it may learn to like this position! Beautiful work! Ray Krause, Building SkyScout. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:08 PM, Scott Knowlton wrote: > > Well after much fitting, remaking of parts and installing my gear legs are on and cross cabled. A very satisfying day. My wheels are almost complete and ready for install as well. And "no" I didn't install my turtledeck on the underside of the belly. It's just sitting in a convenient spot out of the way. > Very motivating. > > Scott Knowlton > Burlington On. > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gear
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Hey Scott.. Great looking Gear.. I was so happy when I finally finished mine.. Nothing like the feeling of accomplishment to see your bird sitting on her on 3 legs... Then sadly you will have to remove all that hard work to sand and varnish and cover and paint ect ect. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430078#430078 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: be careful of scammers
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Please Pietenpol friends be careful If you like me shop on Barnstormers. I had an attempted scam happen when I was selling my 0300-D engine. The so called buyer held up my sell for two days until I finally figured what was happing. They were going to send me a check for too much money and have me send the balance to another location. Barnstormers warns about just such a scam with exactly the details I witnessed . I smelled a rat and gave them a good cussing, but I would like to get my hands around that scrawny neck and see if I could bulge their eyes a little. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430079#430079 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Thank you William...will email soon! Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Fuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430080#430080 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: be careful of scammers
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Avken, Thanks for posting. This SCAM is NOT limited to any one site / entity and is not only a Barnstormers issue - This SCAM is very well documented in many SCENARIOS. It is a very popular e-mail based scam. Thank you for alerting our members AvKen. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430082#430082 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gear
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Looks FABULOUS! -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430083#430083 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2014
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Subject: be careful of scammers
I had someone try that with me too. Too bad we can't send them an email bli vet...ye old burning bag of dog doo. Matt Paxton Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, September 5, 2014 aviken wrote: se Pietenpol friends be careful If you like me shop on Barnstormers. I had an attempted scam happen when I was selling my 0300-D engine. The so called buyer held up my sell for two days until I finally figured what was happin g. They were going to send me a check for too much money and have me send t he balance to another location. Barnstormers warns about just such a scam w ith exactly the details I witnessed . I smelled a rat and gave them a good cussing, but I would like to get my hands around that scrawny neck and see if I could bulge their eyes a little. Read this topic online here: http://f ==================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Gear
Date: Sep 05, 2014
Congratulations, Scott! You're through what was for me the hardest part of the entire airplane project. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Knowlton Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 3:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gear Well after much fitting, remaking of parts and installing my gear legs are on and cross cabled. A very satisfying day. My wheels are almost complete and ready for install as well. And "no" I didn't install my turtledeck on the underside of the belly. It's just sitting in a convenient spot out of the way. Very motivating. Scott Knowlton Burlington On. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: be careful of scammers
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 05, 2014
that was not a scam... that was an attempt to find a idiot that would would part with his money. the guy didnt ask for more than he needed...any time a smart guy beats a fool out of his money i call that working smart just good business. a scam is when someone beats a poor old, weak feeble minded etc. person out of his money.. i wouldnt call it a scam when the tv preacher passes the collection plate and fools put their hard earned money in it..with that said would anyone on here like to send their pocket change and green backs to the JIM HYDE INTERNATIONAL CHEESEBURGER FOUNDATION..MAKE ALL CHECKS PAYABLE TO MS. LINDA HYDE TREASURER. for you muslims we are having a sale on virgins. Each virgin comes with a certificate of authenticity personally signed by Right Rev.Mo HAMID..Christians can receive a nice photo signed by jesus and a splinter of wood from jims pietenpol project. For a contrabution of 10,000 jim come personally to your shop and will personally bless your pietenpol project. Annoited engine oil is avaiable for a 150.00 donation per qt. For all of my jewish bros we offer a nice leather leather bound book titled how to start your own shoe store. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430092#430092 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "GrantZ" <grantz5906(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2014
William, Great info! Just what I needed to get started on the LG as well as giving me insight into getting the W & B right the first time. If I was interested in having you build a motor mount for me what is the best method to get you the exact dimensions of my motor mount brackets on the fuselage? Thanks for taking your time to assist me with this W & B issue. Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430105#430105 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: be careful of scammers
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 06, 2014
I am sorry but I have to disagree with at least part of your thoughts. when a smart person beats an ignorant person out of there goods, I do not call that smart business. This world has always had those shrewed people who live off other people's sweat. It will always be that way, nothing will change it, but I won't put a nice name to it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430106#430106 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2014
Grant, The only number we need to know is the width of your plane from the inside face of the outer mount bracket to the same spot on the other side. It will be very close to 24" or 24.25". . Right now, sitting on the back porch is a 24.25" model, done powder coated the light gray we use on most stuff. (Our powder coater is across the street from NAS Jacksonville, so you can always have anything done in "US Navy haze gray" in short order, they are always applying it.) If you need one done in a different width, we can get to it in a few weeks, probably before Barnwell. . Scotty....I just learned yesterday about how to ship stuff down under at reasonable rates. I was speaking with Dan Weseman, and they have sold 6 Panther kits into NZ and Australia since Oshkosh and he has found a freight company in California that sells space in Containers that leave nearly every day and make the trip in 12 days. I good resource for big items like mounts and core engines. -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430121#430121 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: be careful of scammers
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2014
ididnt post the note in order to get an assestment of the principals that i spoke about... i will admit that the dunning kruger effect applies to most messages posted here including that one.. jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430125#430125 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: be careful of scammers
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2014
i know a lawyer here that got the same letter except it was for advanced legal payments..450,000... the wolf is always waiting to eat sheepal.. i am a p t barnum fan...i wish that i could find a nice fat little sheepal to scam for an engine for my heath parasol. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430128#430128 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2014
William you were reading my mind! After working out the time zone difference I called Mark yesterday as he got my heads off Roy at Oshkosh. Roy is building the short block and Mark the heads so I am thinking how it would be best to get it all here. I need to talk to you about this. I measured my firewall yesterday and the the distance you quoted above is 26 5/16 inches from memory. I have widened the fuselage by approx 2 inches. I have flown a Piet here that was a standard size and although I am 6'1" and about 88kg, the extra couple of inches makes all the difference. Things are becoming very real after nearly 5 years of building. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Fuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430137#430137 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: museum piet
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 06, 2014
Hi all, I just ran across this Piet at Creve Coeur airport in St Louis. The data plate says a guy named Doug Bryant built it in Wichita Kanas. I hadn't seen this one before. Meet to see. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430138#430138 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20140906_152705_113.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: museum piet
Date: Sep 06, 2014
Doug Bryant was or is a friend of Chuck Gantzer also of Wichita. Chuck flew his red and silver Piet to Brodhead several times, the last being about 4 or 5 yrs ago. It was the year Brodhead hit 100 degrees and there was a strong wind from the east. Later in the week there was a big rainstorm at Oshkosh. They both built ford powered Piets about 15 yrs ago or so. Don't know about Doug, but Chuck felt his Ford was not reliable and replaced it with a Continental 65 (I think) Anyway, since he had the short wheelbase Piet, he had to build the motor mount way forward to get the weight and balance right. dennis -----Original Message----- From: AircamperN11MS Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 5:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: museum piet Hi all, I just ran across this Piet at Creve Coeur airport in St Louis. The data plate says a guy named Doug Bryant built it in Wichita Kanas. I hadn't seen this one before. Meet to see. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430138#430138 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20140906_152705_113.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: latex paint
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 06, 2014
here is what i think i might know. my heath parasol is covered with stits.. it was painted through the silver. i primed over the silver with sherwin williams primer three coats sanded between coats. primer rolled on then smoothed with a large very fine damp sponge. that left fine marks that were sanded. i then rolled on three coats of behr exterior latex in cream..sanding between coats. the last coat was sprayed on with a lowes latex paint gun 40 psi thinned flotrol as recommended and 25%. widnshield fluid. i think the best way to judge the finished product is to look at the paint job then look at your checking account balance and accept the fact that you have 2,300 more than you would have if you used a certified process. i wouldnt use latex on a 100,000 plane but on a 10,000 it is a very good option for me. thats the jew in me. i wanted the 1927 dope look. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430152#430152 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Obligatory Pic
From: "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Sep 07, 2014
The required first sit pic in the Captains chair! -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430157#430157 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0014_127.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Obligatory Pic
Date: Sep 07, 2014
Did you make airplane noises? :) Doug Dever =0A In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Obligatory Pic > From: Mrkringles(at)msn.com > Date: Sun=2C 7 Sep 2014 12:42:59 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > > > The required first sit pic in the Captain=99s chair! > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430157#430157 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0014_127.jpg > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Obligatory Pic
Date: Sep 07, 2014
Did you make the obligatory airplane sounds? Looks great, John! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of john francis Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Obligatory Pic The required first sit pic in the Captains chair! -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430157#430157 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0014_127.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Obligatory Pic
From: "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Sep 07, 2014
Did you make airplane noises? Yes, after everyone left. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430160#430160 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: By butt & butt joints
Date: Sep 07, 2014
Sorry to be so late replying, but I've been out of town. I agree with William, the photo showing the front of the rear seat support is not the best way to do it. The good news is, you know exactly where it is likely to fail (right in the middle). Far better to make a continuous "Shear Web" across the front of the seat to help distribute the loads. The rear seat takes some heavy loads when entering and exiting the cockpit as well as in flight. Typically, most pilots enter a Pietenpol rear cokcpit by standing on the rear seat, which puts a point load of some 200 lbs +/- right on the seat. This load gets transferred through the seat structure down to the lower longerons. Ideally, you want that point load to become a "distributed load" as quickly as possible. The design shown will actually tend to concentrate much of that load toward the middle of the fuselage, in between the longerons. Hopefully, the seat bottom is heavy enough plywood to distribute the load efficiently to the sides and down to the lower longerons. Why is the cross member under the seat missing in the middle? Is it to provide access to the control torque tube? If so, I'd say that is un-necessary. In 10 years of flying mine, I've never needed access to the torque tube, other than to apply lubrication during the annual Condition Inspections. I'm all for modifying the original design if it can be improved upon. I made many modifications to the plans when building mine, and some of them were improvements. Most were not. I've flown many Pietenpols and I can truthfully say that the ones that fly best are the ones closest to the plans design. Those closer to the plans than mine fly better than mine. Bernard was really a very good engineer and his way of doing things is usually best. This is one of those areas where it would be best to stick to the plans. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Wynne Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 11:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: By butt & butt joints My 2 cents on the vertical seat base in the photo above marked 3/22/2010: It is a structural mistake to cut it out like that. The plans show this as a 5.5" or 6" tall 23" wide sheet. Yes it has a hole in it for the control tube, but it has a continuous side to side stick at the front of the seat that is cut out in the photo. . If built to plans, even with the hole in it, the 6" plate is a shear web that spreads half the seat loads all the way to the sides of the plane. Built in the photo, weight on the seat will be allowed to bend the bottom of the fuselage at the center line. Don't take my word for this, just ask Jack Phillips about this. . Wood structures work because you glue the all together and they become "monolithic." Well made glue joins do a great job spreading loads. deciding to make a wood panel removable essentially prevents it from pulling its share of the load and supporting adjacent panels. Having a seat bottom that isn't glued in is a mistake, and combining it with a structurally cut 6" front support compounds the issue. . Not flying aerobatics? Go ask anyone with a G meter in their plane where the needle points after a really hard landing, and that applies to planes with 9" of suspension travel and regular aircraft tires with several inches of sidewall deflection. Just because it holds a big guy in the workshop means nothing on the flight line. . If you don't know structures, resist offering guidance to other builders on how to modify load bearing elements of their planes. -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430061#430061 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol for sale
From: "ted brousseau" <nfn00979(at)naples.net>
Date: Sep 07, 2014
A friend of a friend called me last night to let me know that there is a partially build Piet down here in SW Florida. I don't know anything about it other than what was told to me. It is supposedly ready to cover and comes with 2 Model B Ford engines. The seller's info is: Lloyd Moore at 239-464-5437. Might be just what someone was looking for. Ted Brousseau 90/90 & hope to be at Brodhead next year Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430164#430164 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Obligatory Pic
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 07, 2014
Been there done that. Very nice John! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Sep 7, 2014, at 2:42 PM, "john francis" wrote: > > > The required first sit pic in the Captains chair! > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430157#430157 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0014_127.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: latex paint
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 08, 2014
One of the real hazards of spraying actual nitrocellulose dope is the chemicals getting the unprotected sprayer 'stoned' or 'high'. This effect can cause the person to appear to be drunk, and say bigoted things and loose their grasp on punctuation and spelling, and even loose the ability to count. ......... One of the great things about latex or water based systems is that this hazard is eliminated. Thus, if a person working with Latex systems makes statements that sound intoxicated or bigoted, it is because they are a drunk and a bigot, and the effect can't be blamed of the covering system. ........... $2,300 will buy 10 gallons of Stits Aero-thane or 20 gallons of Stits Poly-tone in the color Daytona Cream. A Heath Parasol is a tiny plane about fifty percent of the surface area of a Cub. It takes 5 gallons of color to do a thick coat on a Cub. ............ If you have ever seen my 'zero tolerance tor offensive speech' note about Corvair Colleges and wondered what kind of person is not welcome at our events, wonder no longer...... ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430178#430178 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 08, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: By butt & butt joints
Jack, the cut out area in question is there so that the push/pull tube setup I am using will have clearance to move. This picture, dated 2010, is an "in work" picture and does not show the completed seat with the added supports and framing. The two pictures in my original post were the only ones I had to show the additional gussets I used for the spruce supports. The seat plywood is 1/4" glued in place. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: See you at Barnwell SC.
From: "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 08, 2014
Builders, We have only one week to Corvair College#30 in MO, so it is out to the shop on 100% duty cycle. The sign up for #30 has been full for several weeks, but if you are a Piet guy, Corvair College #31 and Barnwell with PF Beck and his crew is not only the next event, (November 7-9th) but has the highest density of Piet builders and flying Piets on our calendar. . PF has said many times that all Piets are welcome, and even if you are not a Corvair builder, there is a lot to be gained at the event. Don Harper's and PF's Piets are based there, We will have the fuselage, mount and gear on display for Terry Hands steel tube Piet, I have invited Bob Lester to fly his up from Florida, and there will be a number of better known Piet builders on hand. If you are building a Piet, but have never flown in one, come on down, PF Will remedy that, as he has flown more than 250 people in his plane. --------------------------- When I signed up for this list 6 months ago, I had the following simple goals: 1) Have more people understand Doc Mosher's great contribution to the Piet Community. 2) Have more builders look at the 3 safety points, diagonal cabanes, fuel lines and CG. 3) Get more people to look at and understand the power of the CG data to plan and build their plane with confidence. 4) Have builders understand that it is fine to be a 'low and slow' guy, but there are many builders who like planning and getting more out of their planes and the time they spend building them. Homebuilding is a very rich mine, and the deeper you dig the more you get out of it. If you want to do more than scratch the surface, know that there are others of the same mindset to guide you and be of assistance. ------------------- Dowe is right, there are a lot of benefits to people staying positive. The only exception I might validly make is plain speaking about things that directly effect the safety of others. I don't much care if people knowingly take risks, but it is that knowing part which is the rub, and their non-pilot passengers always fit in the category of "unknowing risk taker." . Some people didn't understand why I named the builder who put cast pistons in his engine, they thought I should have told him privately. Basically I did, by writing it all over our manuals and website, and I even had the builder at Corvair College #20 where he saw that every other person was using forged pistons, but he instead followed his 'local expert'. Naming him here was round three, after the first two failed. Look at it backwards: If your kid was in that plane on a young eagles flight when the head comes off the cast Chinese piston, and you found out that I knew about it in advance but didn't say anything because I was trying to be 'nice', how mad would you be? . There is value in plainly speaking, but not for most builders, who are not listening. The value is to myself, so I don't later ever have to sit on the front porch at night and regret not having spoken up. --------------------------- Hope to see many of you at Barnwell. -ww. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430182#430182 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 08, 2014
Subject: Red Bull Air races report
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Got to meet Curt Merdan from Flower Mound, Texas there. Nice guy, Looks too tall to fit in a Piet. My best guess was that between 35,000 and 45,000 showed up. 1/2 of the stands were not used as a safety area. the other half were less than half full. I hope that is enough to get them to come back next year. Then again, how do they charge money in other venues? Other places the races are in the open over rivers or lakes. My guess is that almost every pilot within 200 miles was there, plus a lot from all over, but not many of the non flying public. Everyone setting around me was a pilot or with a pilot except for one lady who just liked the races. Almost all had a "pilot" hat or tshirt on. IE EAA, AOPA, aircraft brand, or Poker run logos. Races were good. we had "reserved seats" in the open with plastic seat backs and arm rests. I selected not under the cover so I could see up and paid the price by setting in the sun until 1:45. Planes were not close enough to be noisy, but the speakers were still set to compete with NASCAR, so we wore our earplugs. race planes took 1 min to do two laps at 100 to 227MPH. A piet would have needed a calendar. Grandson (a wingnut) and Dr buddy (NASCAR Fan) enjoyed the races. EAA young eagles was there handing out flyers to young eagles flights. Also the aviation museum and it's supporters had an old Thorp T18 that they had cut 4 foot off of each wing so that they could easily trailer and display it. Kids were encouraged to climb in and out and play with the controls vigerously. Great motivation. The Vision jet mockup was there. Big single engine single pilot Vtail jet, with 7 seats. (staff said 5 plus 2) Slick. $1.9 million. Jet mockup was funny to get close to, Engine fan was really just a photo cutout, all control surfaces were just pinstripes, not real controls. Fuse sat on an electric powered 4 wheel dolly that was coverd with a black cloth. Built to pull apart and stick in the trailer. Had a good time, will go again if I can. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: A-65 for sale on Barnstormers--of possible interest
Date: Sep 08, 2014
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Another A-65, decent price----O SMOH on Barnstormers
Date: Sep 08, 2014
Of possible interest to those interested in using or needing a Continental engine for their Pietenpol. I was in the market recently to purchase an overhauled A-65 as my engine is now in a run out condition but decided to do a major overhaul (like I did on my current flying engine 16 years ago) o n an engine I picked up in Michigan last fall instead. Mike C. Ohio 0SMOH A65-8<http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_931983_0SMOH+A65-8.html> * $4,100 * SALE FELL THROUGH * 0SMOH A65-8 engine for sale. Engine was ove rhauled some time ago but properly stored. Inside is shiny and oily. New ch rome cylinder assemblies. Log book with proper entry. Does not include mags , carb or oil tank. I will crate for shipping. Located in Sturgis, SD Bruce Bowen 605-490-1139 * Contact Bruce Bowen<http://www.barnstormers.com/conta ct_seller.php?to=130877&id=931983&title=0SMOH+A65-8&return=%2Flisti ng.php%3Fmode%3Dsearch%26filters%3DYToyMDp7czo3OiJLZXl3b3JkIjtzOjQ6IiBBNjUi O3M6MTE6IkRlc2NyaXB0aW9uIjtzOjA6IiI7czo4OiJIZWFkbGluZSI7czowOiIiO3M6MTA6IlB hcnROdW1iZXIiO3M6MDoiIjtzOjEyOiJNYW51ZmFjdHVyZXIiO3M6MDoiIjtzOjU6Ik1vZGVsIj tzOjA6IiI7czo3OiJDb21wYW55IjtzOjA6IiI7czo4OiJMYXN0TmFtZSI7czowOiIiO3M6OToiR mlyc3ROYW1lIjtzOjA6IiI7czo3OiJDb3VudHJ5IjtzOjA6IiI7czo1OiJTdGF0ZSI7czowOiIi O3M6NDoiQ2l0eSI7czowOiIiO3M6MzoiWmlwIjtzOjA6IiI7czo1OiJQaG9uZSI7czowOiIiO3M 6NToiRW1haWwiO3M6MDoiIjtzOjEyOiJDb21wYW55RW1haWwiO3M6MDoiIjtzOjg6IkNhdGVnb3 J5IjtzOjE6IiAiO3M6ODoiUHJpY2VNaW4iO3M6MDoiIjtzOjg6IlByaWNlTWF4IjtzOjA6IiI7c zo3OiJOb1ByaWNlIjtzOjE6IjEiO30%253D>, Owner - located Sturgis, SD USA * Tel ephone: 605-490-1139 . * Posted August 22, 2014 * Show all Ads posted by th is Advertiser<http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?mode=usersearch&use r=130877> * Recommend This Ad to a Friend<http://www.barnstormers.com/rec ommend.php?id=931983&title=0SMOH+A65-8> * Email Advertiser<http://www.b arnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=130877&id=931983&title=0SMOH+A6 5-8&return=%2Flisting.php%3Fmode%3Dsearch%26filters%3DYToyMDp7czo3OiJLZXl 3b3JkIjtzOjQ6IiBBNjUiO3M6MTE6IkRlc2NyaXB0aW9uIjtzOjA6IiI7czo4OiJIZWFkbGluZS I7czowOiIiO3M6MTA6IlBhcnROdW1iZXIiO3M6MDoiIjtzOjEyOiJNYW51ZmFjdHVyZXIiO3M6M DoiIjtzOjU6Ik1vZGVsIjtzOjA6IiI7czo3OiJDb21wYW55IjtzOjA6IiI7czo4OiJMYXN0TmFt ZSI7czowOiIiO3M6OToiRmlyc3ROYW1lIjtzOjA6IiI7czo3OiJDb3VudHJ5IjtzOjA6IiI7czo 1OiJTdGF0ZSI7czowOiIiO3M6NDoiQ2l0eSI7czowOiIiO3M6MzoiWmlwIjtzOjA6IiI7czo1Oi JQaG9uZSI7czowOiIiO3M6NToiRW1haWwiO3M6MDoiIjtzOjEyOiJDb21wYW55RW1haWwiO3M6M DoiIjtzOjg6IkNhdGVnb3J5IjtzOjE6IiAiO3M6ODoiUHJpY2VNaW4iO3M6MDoiIjtzOjg6IlBy aWNlTWF4IjtzOjA6IiI7czo3OiJOb1ByaWNlIjtzOjE6IjEiO30%253D> * Save to Watchli st<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_manager/watchlist.php?ADD=931983> * Rep ort This Ad<http://www.barnstormers.com/report_ad.php?id=931983&title=0 SMOH+A65-8> * View Larger Pictures<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.ph p?ID=931983&go_to_images=1> [cid:image001.png(at)01CFCB4B.F96F9960] ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 08, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Help With AC 8050-88
I would like to fill out the AFFIDAVIT OF OWNERSHIP FOR AMATEUR-BUILT AND OTHER NON-TYPE CERTIFICATED AIRCRAFT, However, I am not quite sure which box I should check. (shown below.) One states amateur built and the other states experimental, other than amateur built. I guess I mostly question why the first is not considered experimental. MUST CHECK ONE More than 50% of the above-described aircraft was built from miscellaneous parts and I am the owner. (This option is for aircraft eligible for amateur-built certification.) I certify that the above-described aircraft is a newly built non-type certificated aircraft and is not currently registered in another country. (This option is for aircraft eligible for experimental certification other than amateur-built.) If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Red Bull Air races report
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 08, 2014
Looks are deceiving! I'll squeeze into any Piet seat offered to me! Great to meet you too, Steve! I'm excited to hear/see your plane in the air very soon. -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430192#430192 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1200_198.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 08, 2014
Subject: Re: Help With AC 8050-88
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Mike, I'm almost certain that the first one is the one you want to check. The "...more than 50%..." gives it away. Chuck On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > I would like to fill out the AFFIDAVIT OF OWNERSHIP FOR AMATEUR-BUILT AND > OTHER NON-TYPE CERTIFICATED AIRCRAFT, However, I am not quite sure which > box I should check. (shown below.) One states amateur built and the other > states experimental, other than amateur built. I guess I mostly question > why the first is not considered experimental. > > > MUST CHECK ONE > > More than 50% of the above-described aircraft was built from miscellaneous > parts and I am the owner. (This option is for aircraft > eligible for amateur-built certification.) > > I certify that the above-described aircraft is a newly built non-type > certificated aircraft and is not currently registered in another > country. (This option is for aircraft eligible for experimental > certification other than amateur-built.) > > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Red Bull Air races report
From: "Dan P" <dlplett(at)swko.net>
Date: Sep 08, 2014
That mirrors our experience. We were just left of the start/finish line up in backed seats. The Fort Worth race will be aired 9-15 @ 6:30 on Fox. [quote="steven.d.dortch(at)gmail."]Got to meet Curt Merdan from Flower Mound, Texasthere. Nice guy, Looks too tall to fit in a Piet. My best guess was that between 35,000 and 45,000 showed up. 1/2 of the stands were not used as a safety area. the other half were less than half full. I hope that is enough to get them to come back next year. Then again, how do they charge money in other venues? Other places the races are in the open over rivers or lakes. My guess is that almost every pilot within 200 miles was there, plus a lot from all over, but not many of the non flying public. Everyone setting around me was a pilot or with a pilot except for one lady who just liked the races. Almost all had a "pilot" hat or tshirt on. IE EAA, AOPA, aircraft brand, or Poker run logos. Races were good. we had "reserved seats" in the open withplastic seat backs and arm rests. I selected not under the cover so I could see up and paid the price by setting in the sununtil 1:45. Planes were not close enough to be noisy, but the speakers were still set to compete with NASCAR, so we wore our earplugs. race planes took 1 min to do two laps at 100 to 227MPH. A piet would have needed a calendar. Grandson (a wingnut) and Dr buddy (NASCAR Fan) enjoyed the races. EAA young eagles was there handing out flyers to young eagles flights. Also the aviation museum and it's supporters had an old Thorp T18 that they had cut 4 foot off of each wing so that they could easily trailer anddisplay it. Kids were encouraged to climb in and out and play with the controls vigerously. Great motivation. The Vision jet mockupwas there. Big single engine single pilot Vtail jet, with 7 seats. (staff said 5 plus 2) Slick.$1.9 million. Jet mockup was funny to get close to, Engine fan was really just a photo cutout, all control surfaceswere just pinstripes, not real controls. Fuse sat on an electric powered 4 wheel dolly that was coverd with a black cloth. Built to pull apart and stick in the trailer. Had a good time, will go again if I can. Blue Skies, Steve D > [b] -------- Dan Plett N28WH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430205#430205 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: And another one from Evergreen
Date: Sep 09, 2014
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From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Date: Sep 08, 2014
Subject: Re: Help With AC 8050-88
https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/aw/ As noted, "an amateur-built aircraft is eligible for a special airworthiness certificate in the experimental category for the purpose of operating amateur-built aircraft". Experimental is implicit in the definition, therefore it is not explicitly stated again in the first two selections. Of those two selections, the first one applies to you, as you did not build a kit: "More than 50% of the above-described aircraft was built from miscellaneous parts and I am the owner. (This option is for aircraft eligible for amateur-built certification.)" -Ryan On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > I would like to fill out the AFFIDAVIT OF OWNERSHIP FOR AMATEUR-BUILT AND > OTHER NON-TYPE CERTIFICATED AIRCRAFT, However, I am not quite sure which > box I should check. (shown below.) One states amateur built and the other > states experimental, other than amateur built. I guess I mostly question > why the first is not considered experimental. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Obligatory Pic
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 08, 2014
VERY nice.....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430211#430211 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Playing with the text keys - enjoy....
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 08, 2014
_____ _ / __/ .!_ !..-- " @ , , , , , , , , , , , -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430212#430212 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Help With AC 8050-88
Thanks Charles and thank you Ryan. The link and explanation are quite helpful. I received my "FAA Packet" (a stack of forms, guides, etc.) years ago when I first inquired about tail numbers and reserving one. Looking around the FAA site yesterday, I see some of those forms have now been updated, so I will be calling my local office for the updated ones that are not available on line. Be advised that I may be back here on the list with follow up questions. Exciting times! If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2014
Subject: Re: Help With AC 8050-88
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Mike, You can do a FAA N number search to see if anyone already has a number. http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnum_inquiry.aspx Blue Skies, Steve D On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Thanks Charles and thank you Ryan. The link and explanation are quite > helpful. > > I received my "FAA Packet" (a stack of forms, guides, etc.) years ago > when I first inquired about tail numbers and reserving one. Looking around > the FAA site yesterday, I see some of those forms have now been updated, so > I will be calling my local office for the updated ones that are not > available on line. > > Be advised that I may be back here on the list with follow up questions. > > Exciting times! > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 09, 2014
Subject: Re: Help With AC 8050-88
Pictures Michael! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Michael Perez wrote : > > Thanks Charles and thank you Ryan. The link and explanation are quite help ful. > > I received my "FAA Packet" (a stack of forms, guides, etc.) years ago whe n I first inquired about tail numbers and reserving one. Looking around the FAA site yesterday, I see some of those forms have now been updated, so I w ill be calling my local office for the updated ones that are not available o n line. > > Be advised that I may be back here on the list with follow up questions. > > Exciting times! > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Santiago Morete's panel
Date: Sep 09, 2014
For those of you not on Facebook, here is a photo of Santiago's cockpit tha t I am completely enamored with. This is going to be one elegant and gorgeous Pietenpol! Mike C. [cid:image001.png(at)01CFCC25.DDC909F0] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Obligatory Pic
From: "namrednos" <namrednos(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 09, 2014
Keep up the great work. DO YOU HAVE TO STAY SEATED THERE UNTIL THE GLUE DRIES ON YOUR SEAT PLYWOOD???? -------- Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430247#430247 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Santiago Morete's panel
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 09, 2014
he's missing the pocket watch...! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430250#430250 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Press Brake dimensions.....
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 09, 2014
Hello good Piet-Ple, A couple of people on this list have asked about the press brake that I built to form the 4130 fittings for my Pietenpol. Yesterday I drew up these dimensions and shot a few photos for Curt in Texas, so I thought I'd post them for anyone who may want to build it. It only requires a few steel parts and a low-profile 20-ton bottle jack from Harbor Freight - hey, it works. The only part(s) that are tough to get are the dies and I bought mine from "Midwest Press Brake Dies, inc." I would buy a "gooseneck" upper die if I did it all over again as I found one at a used machinery shop in Seattle and it'll bend some of the "u" shaped parts much easier. Anyway, hope this helps some of you out there........... Enjoy..... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430256#430256 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/press_brake_4_dies_132.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/press_brake_1_125.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/press_brake_2_163.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2014
From: santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Santiago Morete's panel
Thank you Mike! I'm glad you like it!=0AJake, I just need to find a decent one=0ASaludos!=0A=0ASantiago ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Press Brake dimensions.....
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 09, 2014
Ta Da! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430268#430268 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_905.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Press Brake dimensions.....
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 09, 2014
Nice.....! Glad it should help make the parts more enjoyable to build.......... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430271#430271 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Press Brake dimensions.....
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Jake, Did the C channel and flat stock come from the Lowe's/Home Depot Aviation Supply Store? -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430272#430272 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 10, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Help With AC 8050-88
Thanks Steve...I've had my tail number reserved now for quite some time. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 10, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: NX992WD "Finished"
It has been quite the journey. I started construction back in July of 2008, did an initial assembly in the garage, (skeletal) in 2011 and did the first engine start July, 2014. I am calling NX992WD finished as of August, 2014. I say "finished" because I still have small items to tend to: air brush work, bungee cords, oil tank repair, maybe a new C.S. lid, etc., etc. The A.C. is now disassembled and back in my shop. I will spend the winter months working on those various small items. I hope to find hangar space in the early spring, truck the A.C. out and do final assembly. Then move on to engine break in, ground tests, etc. Attached are some pictures of Foo Fighter 001, "Sweet Susie". If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez KaretakerAero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: NX992WD "Finished"
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Congratulations Mike! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Excelent!!! Felicitaciones! -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430286#430286 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Looks Great Michael! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430289#430289 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: NX992WD "Finished"
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Looks nice! Let us know how it flies. Jck Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX992WD "Finished" It has been quite the journey. I started construction back in July of 2008, did an initial assembly in the garage, (skeletal) in 2011 and did the first engine start July, 2014. I am calling NX992WD finished as of August, 2014. I say "finished" because I still have small items to tend to: air brush work, bungee cords, oil tank repair, maybe a new C.S. lid, etc., etc. The A.C. is now disassembled and back in my shop. I will spend the winter months working on those various small items. I hope to find hangar space in the early spring, truck the A.C. out and do final assembly. Then move on to engine break in, ground tests, etc. Attached are some pictures of Foo Fighter 001, "Sweet Susie". If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Press Brake dimensions.....
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Terry, Nope, I got mine from "Everett Steel" and they cut each piece to length. It felt like a kit when I got it home to drill/assemble...! (Not many things on a Pietenpol feel like a "kit"...!) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430294#430294 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Fantastic, inspiring....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430296#430296 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
Congratulations Michael, very sharp indeed! -Ryan On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > > Attached are some pictures of Foo Fighter 001, "Sweet Susie". > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
And pictures I got! beautiful Mike! Sent from my iPad > On Sep 10, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Michael Perez wrot e: > > It has been quite the journey. I started construction back in July of 2008 , did an initial assembly in the garage, (skeletal) in 2011 and did the firs t engine start July, 2014. I am calling NX992WD finished as of August, 2014. I say "finished" because I still have small items to tend to: air brush wor k, bungee cords, oil tank repair, maybe a new C.S. lid, etc., etc. > > The A.C. is now disassembled and back in my shop. I will spend the winter m onths working on those various small items. I hope to find hangar space in t he early spring, truck the A.C. out and do final assembly. Then move on to e ngine break in, ground tests, etc. > > Attached are some pictures of Foo Fighter 001, "Sweet Susie". > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Press Brake dimensions.....
From: Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Very nice. Here is another good option... http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/hydraulic-shop-press-brake.html Sent from my iPad > On Sep 9, 2014, at 9:18 PM, "curtdm(at)gmail.com" wrote : > com> > > Ta Da! > > -------- > Curt Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430268#430268 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_905.jpg > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Subject: Re: Press Brake dimensions.....
From: Michael Conkling <jmconkling(at)gmail.com>
Hello Folks, Let's not forget Williams Lowbuck tools for their Bracket Brake -- it will handle 1/8" x 6" steel... Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Jack Textor wrote: > Very nice. Here is another good option... > > http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/hydraulic-shop-press-brake.html > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 9, 2014, at 9:18 PM, "curtdm(at)gmail.com" > wrote: > > curtdm(at)gmail.com> > > Ta Da! > > -------- > Curt Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430268#430268 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_905.jpg > ====================================================; - The > Pietenpol-List Email Forum - > = Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > npol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > <========================== &nb --> http://forums.ma==================================================== &n > http://www.matronics.com/============================================= > > > <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 10, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
"...and pictures I got!" Ask and ye shall receive! If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Dawn Patrol---USAF Museum in Dayton, Ohio Sept. 27th
&28th
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Always a fun event. Most are VW powered/ aluminum-framed replicas but sti ll cool. http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123422927 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 10, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
cvery nice,, can u send pics of the engne installation On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 10:25 AM, Michael Perez wrote: "...and pictures I got!" Ask and ye shall receive! If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 10, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
Engine pictures attached. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Congratulations Mike! Shes a beauty!! -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430307#430307 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Can you share the paint process you used on your engine? And how you plated the pushrod tubes? Mine appear permanently attached to the head so I don't see how one could have them plated.... Scott Knowlton. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:57 AM, "Michael Perez" wrote: > > Engine pictures attached. > > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Press Brake dimensions.....
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
There is also this nice tool, but it has no capability to use a goose-neck punch - which is particularly useful for some "deep" Pietenpol parts. http://www.trick-tools.com/Bend_Press_Benchtop_Manual_Press_Brake_20_ton_BP1020_1618 -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430308#430308 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: "gsnewsome" <newfaithkat(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
That's a beautiful Piet! Congratulations... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430309#430309 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 10, 2014
=0A=0ACongrats Mike! Sharp!=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0APuryear, TN=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Very nice 4" altimeter on Ebay
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 10, 2014
=0AHere is a perfect-shape 4" altimeter for someone. Pricey, b ut you probably would be hard-pressed to find a better one.=0A =0A=0Ahttp://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/564AAOSwEK9T9u-d/$_14.JPG=0A=0A=0A =0A=0AItem # 201154839079=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APury ear, TN=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Very nice 4" altimeter on Ebay
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Dan, Very nice looking indeed. That would look awesome in someone's Pietenpol. FWIW, I have a picture of the altimeter I found on eBay. It is being rebuilt and the face restored. If anybody finds an altimeter that needs rebuilding let me know and I will forward th einfo for the repair station doing mine. I was quoted a price of $250.00 to get mine restored. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430324#430324 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_162.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_911.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Mike, Just curious about the "Kilo Tango" tail code. I looked up the tail code but could not find it on the Navy websites I went to. I always like to know the background when builders choose certain features such as tail codes. Enlighten me, please. Thanks! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430327#430327 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
KareTaker? -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430328#430328 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Makes sense. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430330#430330 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 10, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
Thank you all very much for the kind words and the personal emails. I know you guys understand what it takes to get here from six years ago and I appreciate the words of encouragement. I hope I can return the favor to future builders as I make my way to a proven aircraft platform. Terry, (others) My paint scheme is from the F-14 Tomcats on board the U.S.S. Nimitz, VF-84 Jolly Rodgers. I painted K.T. In place of A.J. As noted, K.T. is short for Karetaker, my call sign while doing air combat on line. Most all the planes I do combat with have this custom "painted" paint scheme on them...modified to fit the individual aircraft. It would be cool someday if I am approached by someone at a fly in whom recognizes my plane solely from doing A.C.M on line. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Subject: Progress in Pryor...
Two pictures to share: what the center section looked like on Sunday and wh at it looks like now....FINISHED! Not as exciting as Michael Perez' great n ews (and Congrats Michael!!!) but progress! Jim in Pryor.

      
      
      
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Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2014
Really clean work. I like your cooling baffles. You have a nice looking airplane. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430343#430343 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Very nice 4" altimeter on Ebay
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2014
That looks like the one I sold on eBay. Also had a large airspeed indicator with a buy it now price of $650 that lasted about an hour... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Sep 10, 2014, at 5:46 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > > Dan, > > Very nice looking indeed. That would look awesome in someone's Pietenpol. > > FWIW, I have a picture of the altimeter I found on eBay. It is being rebuilt and the face restored. If anybody finds an altimeter that needs rebuilding let me know and I will forward th einfo for the repair station doing mine. I was quoted a price of $250.00 to get mine restored. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430324#430324 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_162.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_911.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Progress in Pryor...
Date: Sep 11, 2014
Looking good, Jim! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor... Two pictures to share: what the center section looked like on Sunday and what it looks like now....FINISHED! Not as exciting as Michael Perez' great news (and Congrats Michael!!!) but progress! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 10th Anniversary Lincoln ,Missouri Municipal Airport Fly-In
From: "8AinUSA" <jamessandrab(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2014
The 10th Lincoln , Missouri Municipal Airport [0R2 ] Fly-in will be held Saturday , Sept. 13 , 2014 . Breakfast served from 7:00 AM- 10:00 AM & Lunch served from 10:00 AM- 1:00 PM . Free will donations accepted for meals . Door prizes awarded around noon . Young Eagle flights offered by EAA Chapter 1032 . We get lots of interesting antique ,classic ,home-built , modern factory produced , and ultra-light aircraft in attendance - if we are blessed with good weather . We hope some Pietenpols and Piet builders will be able to attend . Everyone welcome - drive-in or fly-in . Please join us for an old fashioned grass field fly-in with delicious food served , and great aviation fellowship . If you have questions , please call me , Jim Bentch , at 660-seven two three - 39 seven zero . Usually , the Fly-In is pretty well over by 2:00 PM . Thanks ! 8AinUSA -------- Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430354#430354 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 11, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor...
Jim, thank you. Progress is progress and sometimes those "small" accomplishments are as nice as the larger. The finished A.C. won't become reality without these milestones along the way, so all are equally important. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 11, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
Thanks Paul! The trim wheel was fun to make and the ratcheting mechanism is pretty cool. It is a large, (I think 4") pulley machined and fitted with a cable stop/hold and handle. (Pictures attached.) Not shown is that I added a pin through the pulley across the cable end to tie it down and keep the ball from slipping free. "Is it the world's lightest?" No, I don't think so. It weighed in at 577# for my initial W.&.B. to find wing location and C.G. I tried to include everything in that weight to be realistic, however, once I get the plane to a hangar, do final assembly and make sure I have all loose ends tied up, I'll do another weigh in. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 11, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
Biplan53, Thank you. I fabricated the baffles with consideration from the Bingelis' books and other cowling/cooling intel. I could find. They are very strong and light, but not very mechanic friendly. Getting to the top spark plugs is a small chore...even though I have (most) of the top removable. I hope their performance out weighs this negative. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 11, 2014
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Michael, How did you attach the trim end? is there a spring involved? Steve D On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Thanks Paul! > > The trim wheel was fun to make and the ratcheting mechanism is pretty > cool. It is a large, (I think 4") pulley machined and fitted with a cable > stop/hold and handle. (Pictures attached.) Not shown is that I added a pin > through the pulley across the cable end to tie it down and keep the ball > from slipping free. > > "Is it the world's lightest?" > > No, I don't think so. It weighed in at 577# for my initial W.&.B. to find > wing location and C.G. I tried to include everything in that weight to be > realistic, however, once I get the plane to a hangar, do final assembly and > make sure I have all loose ends tied up, I'll do another weigh in. > > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor...
Date: Sep 11, 2014
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Date: Sep 11, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
Steve, you'll see the connection in the attached photo. Please ignore the rear spring on the left of the picture...it is no longer there. The welded arm has multiple holes to adjust the mechanical advantage, (feel) of the system and the size/type of spring will vary the tension. If small adjustments are required, (?) the turn buckle could be used. You'll want a spring long enough so that it will not restrict full stick travel. I have no way of knowing if the current setup is any good, it may take time to get the correct spring and hole selected on the arm just right while flying. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 11, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor...
Jim, do you have a picture of just the fuel tank? Or maybe one with it in the C.S. prior to covering? I am always interested in how other builders "do things". If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
Date: Sep 11, 2014
Mike, Your plane is absolutely beautiful! Your years of labor really paid off. You seem to have Eisemann magnetos, the old non- shielded spark plugs and th e same wires I have. Do you intend to use a radio? If had/ have this same se tup in my Aeronca and the radio interference is horrible on the hand held. I have replaced the wires with shielded wires and the plugs with shielded plu gs. The problem seems to be the "plastic" distributor on the Eisemann A4 mag s, it is not shielded. The mags are great and work well. For now we are goin g NORAD. I will have the exact setup on SkyScout...whenever it is done! It has been fun following your build. Thanks for sharing, Ray Krause Building SkyScout. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 11, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Michael Perez wrot e: > > Biplan53, Thank you. I fabricated the baffles with consideration from th e Bingelis' books and other cowling/cooling intel. I could find. They are ve ry strong and light, but not very mechanic friendly. Getting to the top spar k plugs is a small chore...even though I have (most) of the top removable. I hope their performance out weighs this negative. > > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: A-65 major overhaul begins
Date: Sep 11, 2014
Setup a temporary workbench and table in the hangar to start the overhaul p rocess on this A-65-8 that I picked up in Michigan last fall. These sure are cool little, powerful, sturdy littl e motors. This one feels much heavier than the original I overhauled 16 years ago....... Mike C. Ohio [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFCDDD.F07A09F0] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Anyone build the single piece wing?
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2014
Just curious if you'd do it again, and how you mounted the wing; and any other issues. I don't yet know which one to build, so I'm building only the ribs that are common to both. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430405#430405 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A-65 major overhaul begins
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 11, 2014
Nice Mike. Very cool that you get to overhaul another one now. Can we assume with this new powerful motor that you w ill make Brodhead '15? :O)=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0A Puryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-LME0)[Vantage=0A Partners, LLC] =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Thu, Sep 11, 2014 3:35 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-Lis t: A-65 major overhaul begins=0A=0A=0A=0ASetup a temporary workben ch and table in the hangar to start the overhaul process o n this A-65-8 that I picked up=0Ain Michigan last fall. These sure are cool little, powerful, sturdy little motors. This one feels much heavier than the=0Aoriginal I overhaul ed 16 years ago.=0A =0AMike C. =0AOhio=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cloudcars prop for Corvair Piet
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2014
Hello, Pietenpolers; I just got this info from the fellow who is getting the Vi Kapler tail hinge castings set up for me, but that's a different subject. If anyone is looking for a Cloudcars prop for their Corvair Piet, it sounds like Jay Anderson is trying to get out of the prop business and has about a 6 month delay getting props out, so you may want to jump on this: >He does have a few corvair piet props on hand if you know anybody >looking. Most of his props are in the $1000 range all ready to go or >you can buy one fresh off his carving machine and finish it yourself. >Jay can be reached at 1-325-356-2810. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430409#430409 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Santiago Morete's panel
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2014
Great looking panel, nice work Santiago ! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2014, at 9:15 PM, santiago morete w rote: > > Thank you Mike! I'm glad you like it! > Jake, I just need to find a decent one > Saludos! > > Santiago > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anyone build the single piece wing?
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2014
Two friends of mine worked together and built 2 one piece wings. Just looking at them and I see they take a huge amount of room in the shop. Trying to move them is a 2 man job. If you have plenty of room and someone that is going to help you it might not be undo able. Also it takes a very long work bench. Not trying to be too negative just trying to give a heads up. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430414#430414 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 11, 2014
Michael, when you get to fly her I'd really like to know if the baffles work out. I just do not like the eyebrow baffles. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430415#430415 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 12, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
Biplan53, unlike my building process, once I start flying and work through the shakedown, I'll post updates and findings as I go. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 12, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
Ray, you are correct, 2 Eisemann AM-4s. I do intend to use a handheld radio. At this time, I do not a handheld picked out, nor do I have a headset chosen. (I am using a borrowed, David Clark, non-noise canceling deal for my current flight training.) How did you handle the shielding on the mag side? Did you just run the shields to ground? My plan is to operate as is, however, if the noise is an issue, I'll revisit my setup and come up with plan "B". Thanks for the heads up Ray. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 12, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: A-65 major overhaul begins
Mike Cuy, I've always liked your hangar setup and it looks even better with an A-65 apart and you are ready to give it an overhaul! I had the most fun doing mine and am sure you will to. Please keep us posted on what you find/how things are going with it. I am very interested. I would just say that this engine is heavier because you are 16 years older! Everything seems heavier for me than it did 16 years ago...including myself. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 12, 2014
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
I have 2 Eisemann AM-4s on my C-85-12. I use a handheld and finally got leather mic muff covers which were the biggest issue. Now intercom is usable. ATC & formation friends seem to hear me OK, I hear them. I am not sure, but I assume the spark plug wires are shielded. I don't get spark plug noise. -Zeke NX431LA GN-1 On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Ray, you are correct, 2 Eisemann AM-4s. I do intend to use a handheld > radio. At this time, I do not a handheld picked out, nor do I have a > headset chosen. (I am using a borrowed, David Clark, non-noise canceling > deal for my current flight training.) > > How did you handle the shielding on the mag side? Did you just run the > shields to ground? My plan is to operate as is, however, if the noise is > an issue, I'll revisit my setup and come up with plan "B". > > Thanks for the heads up Ray. > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor...
From: "dfwplt" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2014
Mike, the tank is a fairly simple square box with an airfoil contoured top. Wanted to use it as the top and avoid additional covering/paneling. Then pop rivets and LOTS of Proseal! Here are links to a couple pictures. LOTS more on Westcoastpiet.com http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jim%20Markle/images/tank2003_0131_094007AA.JPG http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Jim%20Markle/images/fueldrn2003_0220_221437AA.JPG Congratulations again on your accomplishment! Jim in rainy/cold Pryor. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430424#430424 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 12, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor...
Very nice Jim. I took a moment to check out your pictures at Westcoast...looks like things are coming along nicely. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 12, 2014
Subject: Unsunscribe
From: markmckellar(at)reagan.com
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Date: Sep 12, 2014
Subject: Re: Unsunscribe
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
The cold fog thickened noticeably as the newcomer hurried towards his destination. He pulled his heavy overcoat around his neck a little more tightly. This part of the city was not a place to tarry. Thieves and whores were the only permanent residents here. Even the cops rolled through these streets with a nervousness and an edge to heir normal macho banter. Trouble and misery closed around everyone who ventured into this pustule of urban blight like a leech on a warm vein. "Damn!", he hissed under his breath as he stepped on something soft that squealed and skittered off into the darkness and dankness of the mist. It can't be much farther he thought. It mustn't be much farther. The sickly yellow flicker of light from a street lamp shone dimly through the fog as he quickened his pace. There it was. The doorway seemed to be just blackness without definition. As he got closer, two winos eyed him suspiciously through bloodshot and yellowed eyes. He hustled past them, their breath leaving a rank scent that lingered on his clothes. The door pushed inward and the newcomer was inside. The room was smoky and dim. The bar stank of liquor and broken dreams. Several tables decorated the periphery. The man he had come to see was sitting at one of those tables and beckoned him over to sit. The man was darkly clothed and utterly shapeless. He might have weighed three hundred pounds... or he may have been only bone. His shape was indecipherable. The dark mans eyes were gazing down at the dirty glass in his hand, half filled with cheap whiskey. He had been reading a glossy magazine filled with lurid and obscene images. He folded it tenderly and stuffed it quickly into his coat pocket like a vulture gobbling a rotten piece of flesh. "What is it you want of me?", the dark man asked, not lifting his eyes from the glass. His voice rumbled deep in his belly like a toad. "I need you to tell me how to unsubscribe", said the newcomer in as even a tone as he could muster. The dark man looked up from his glass slowly to gaze at the newcomer. His eyes were a pale watery blue. And his gaze lingered on the newcomer. "You wish to unsubscribe?", he said, with a hint of amusement in his voice but no trace of a smile on his thick pasty lips. "You come to me with a need to unsubscribe?", he said, his voice getting louder now and any hint of amusement gone. He sucked in his breath and hissed through his teeth spraying the newcomer with a repulsive mist of spittle, "Why? Tell me why it is that you wish to unsubscribe." The newcomer felt fear now creeping up his spine. "I don't have the time to sort through all the posts", he mumbled. The dark man sat unmoved, his eyes stared at the newcomer without emotion. His eyes were cold and amphibian. "And I sold the Pietenpol and bought a Husky", added the newcomer. He realized in a heart beat that he should not have said that. The dark man had him by the throat with a quickness that seemed otherworldly. And the dark man squeezed that throat as the newcomer wriggled and squirmed in a voiceless scream. The dark man pulled the newcomers face to his own until they nearly touched noses. He breathed his fetid breath on the newcomer and a trickle of drool escaped his mouth to plop loudly on the table between them. "Go!", he rumbled. "Go now you fool!", he bellowed. "Run if you can. It shall do you no good! Once you have subscribed, all hope of ever unsubscribing is gone! We will find you. Your email is now ours to control. Your email box will fill to bursting with our messages. And there is no hope for you. There is no good deed you can do to change what you have done. The List will not be denied!" And with that he released the newcomer who reeled and staggered towards the door, gagging and stumbling. The dark man began to laugh, a low rumbling laugh that grew louder. The newcomer fled up the streets as he had come with the croaking bellowing laughter chasing him. He was doomed... and he knew it. The dark man sat back at the table in the dimly lit bar and sipped at his drink. "I guess I could have just told him to go to http://www.matronics.com/subscribe/ and follow the directions to unsubscribe", he muttered under his breath. No, he smiled to himself. That would have been all too easy. Still chuckling to himself, he reached into his pocket and pulled out the magazine he had been reading before the newcomer interrupted him. He quickly thumbed through the slick and edge worn pages until he found his place. He never missed a single word of each and every issue of Martha Stewart Living... Anonymous On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:16 AM, wrote: > Please unsubscribe > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Unsunscribe
Date: Sep 12, 2014
Thanks, Steve! That made my day. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Unsunscribe The cold fog thickened noticeably as the newcomer hurried towards his destination. He pulled his heavy overcoat around his neck a little more tightly. This part of the city was not a place to tarry. Thieves and whores were the only permanent residents here. Even the cops rolled through these streets with a nervousness and an edge to heir normal macho banter. Trouble and misery closed around everyone who ventured into this pustule of urban blight like a leech on a warm vein. "Damn!", he hissed under his breath as he stepped on something soft that squealed and skittered off into the darkness and dankness of the mist. It can't be much farther he thought. It mustn't be much farther. The sickly yellow flicker of light from a street lamp shone dimly through the fog as he quickened his pace. There it was. The doorway seemed to be just blackness without definition. As he got closer, two winos eyed him suspiciously through bloodshot and yellowed eyes. He hustled past them, their breath leaving a rank scent that lingered on his clothes. The door pushed inward and the newcomer was inside. The room was smoky and dim. The bar stank of liquor and broken dreams. Several tables decorated the periphery. The man he had come to see was sitting at one of those tables and beckoned him over to sit. The man was darkly clothed and utterly shapeless. He might have weighed three hundred pounds... or he may have been only bone. His shape was indecipherable. The dark mans eyes were gazing down at the dirty glass in his hand, half filled with cheap whiskey. He had been reading a glossy magazine filled with lurid and obscene images. He folded it tenderly and stuffed it quickly into his coat pocket like a vulture gobbling a rotten piece of flesh. "What is it you want of me?", the dark man asked, not lifting his eyes from the glass. His voice rumbled deep in his belly like a toad. "I need you to tell me how to unsubscribe", said the newcomer in as even a tone as he could muster. The dark man looked up from his glass slowly to gaze at the newcomer. His eyes were a pale watery blue. And his gaze lingered on the newcomer. "You wish to unsubscribe?", he said, with a hint of amusement in his voice but no trace of a smile on his thick pasty lips. "You come to me with a need to unsubscribe?", he said, his voice getting louder now and any hint of amusement gone. He sucked in his breath and hissed through his teeth spraying the newcomer with a repulsive mist of spittle, "Why? Tell me why it is that you wish to unsubscribe." The newcomer felt fear now creeping up his spine. "I don't have the time to sort through all the posts", he mumbled. The dark man sat unmoved, his eyes stared at the newcomer without emotion. His eyes were cold and amphibian. "And I sold the Pietenpol and bought a Husky", added the newcomer. He realized in a heart beat that he should not have said that. The dark man had him by the throat with a quickness that seemed otherworldly. And the dark man squeezed that throat as the newcomer wriggled and squirmed in a voiceless scream. The dark man pulled the newcomers face to his own until they nearly touched noses. He breathed his fetid breath on the newcomer and a trickle of drool escaped his mouth to plop loudly on the table between them. "Go!", he rumbled. "Go now you fool!", he bellowed. "Run if you can. It shall do you no good! Once you have subscribed, all hope of ever unsubscribing is gone! We will find you. Your email is now ours to control. Your email box will fill to bursting with our messages. And there is no hope for you. There is no good deed you can do to change what you have done. The List will not be denied!" And with that he released the newcomer who reeled and staggered towards the door, gagging and stumbling. The dark man began to laugh, a low rumbling laugh that grew louder. The newcomer fled up the streets as he had come with the croaking bellowing laughter chasing him. He was doomed... and he knew it. The dark man sat back at the table in the dimly lit bar and sipped at his drink. "I guess I could have just told him to go to <http://www.matronics.com/subscribe/> http://www.matronics.com/subscribe/ and follow the directions to unsubscribe", he muttered under his breath. No, he smiled to himself. That would have been all too easy. Still chuckling to himself, he reached into his pocket and pulled out the magazine he had been reading before the newcomer interrupted him. He quickly thumbed through the slick and edge worn pages until he found his place. He never missed a single word of each and every issue of Martha Stewart Living... Anonymous On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:16 AM, wrote: Please unsubscribe " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Unsunscribe
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 12, 2014
=0ANow THAT was funny.......HA!=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFro m: Steven Dortch =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Fri, Sep 12, 2014 10:27 am=0ASubj ect: Re: Pietenpol-List: Unsunscribe=0A=0A=0A The cold fog thic kened noticeably as the newcomer hurried towards his=0A destination. He pulled his heavy overcoat around his neck a little more=0A tightly. This part of the city was not a place to tarry. Thieves and=0A whore s were the only permanent residents here. Even the cops r olled through=0A these streets with a nervousness and an edge to heir normal macho banter.=0A Trouble and misery closed around everyone who ventured into this pustule o f=0A urban blight like a leech on a warm vein.=0A=0A "Damn!", he hissed under his breath as he stepped on something soft that=0A squealed and skittered of f into the darkness and dankness of the mist. It=0A can't be much farther he thought. It mustn't be much farther. The sickly=0A yellow flicker of light from a street lamp shone dimly through the fog as he=0A quickened his pace.=0A=0A There it was. The d oorway seemed to be just blackness without definition.=0A=0A As he got closer, two winos eyed him suspiciously thr ough bloodshot and=0A yellowed eyes. He hustled pas t them, their breath leaving a rank scent that=0A lingered on his clothes. The door pushed inward and the n ewcomer was=0A inside.=0A=0A The room was sm oky and dim. The bar stank of liquor and broken dreams.=0A Several tables decorated the periphery. The man he had come to see was=0A sitting at one of thos e tables and beckoned him over to sit. The man was=0A darkly clothed and utterly shapeless. He might have weighed three hundred=0A pounds... or he may have be en only bone. His shape was indecipherable. The=0A dark mans eyes were gazing down at the dirty glass in h is hand, half filled=0A with cheap whiskey. He ha d been reading a glossy magazine filled with lurid=0A and obscene images. He folded it tenderly and stuffed it quickly into his=0A coat pocket like a vulture go bbling a rotten piece of flesh.=0A=0A "What is it you want of me?", the dark man asked, not lifting his eyes from=0A the glass. His voice rumbled deep in h is belly like a toad.=0A=0A "I need you to tell me how to unsubscribe", said the newcomer in as even a=0A tone as he could muster.=0A=0A The dark ma n looked up from his glass slowly to gaze at the newcomer. His=0A eyes were a pale watery blue. And hi s gaze lingered on the newcomer.=0A=0A "You wish to unsubscribe?", he said, with a hint of amusement in his voic e=0A but no trace of a smile on his thick pasty lips. "You come to me with a=0A need to unsubsc ribe?", he said, his voice getting louder now and any hint of=0A amusement gone. He sucked in his breath and hissed through his teeth=0A spraying the newcomer w ith a repulsive mist of spittle, "Why? Tell me why=0A it is that you wish to unsubscribe."=0A=0A Th e newcomer felt fear now creeping up his spine. "I don't have the time to=0A sort through all the posts", h e mumbled.=0A=0A The dark man sat unmoved, his eyes stared at the newcomer without emotion.=0A His eyes were cold and amphibian.=0A=0A "And I sold the Piete npol and bought a Husky", added the newcomer.=0A=0A He realized in a heart beat that he should not have said that. The dark man=0A had him by the throat wit h a quickness that seemed otherworldly. And the=0A dark man squeezed that throat as the newcomer wriggled and s quirmed in a=0A voiceless scream. The dark man pu lled the newcomers face to his own until=0A they n early touched noses. He breathed his fetid breath on the newcomer and=0A a trickle of drool escaped his mouth to plop loudly on the table between=0A them.=0A=0A "Go!", he rumbled. "Go now you fool!", he bellowe d. "Run if you can. It=0A shall do you no good! Once you have subscribed, all hope of ever=0A unsubscribing is gone! We will find you. Your email i s now ours to=0A control. Your email box will f ill to bursting with our messages. And there=0A i s no hope for you. There is no good deed you can do to change what you=0A have done. The List will not be denied!"=0A=0A And with that he released the newcomer who reeled and staggered towards the=0A door, gagging and stumbling. The dark man began to laugh, a low rumbling=0A laugh that grew louder. The newcome r fled up the streets as he had come=0A with the croaking bellowing laughter chasing him. He was doomed... and he=0A knew it.=0A=0A The dark man sat back at the table in the dimly lit bar and sipped at his =0A drink.=0A=0A "I guess I could have jus t told him to go to=0A http://www.matronics.com/subscribe/=0A =0A and follow the directions to unsubscribe", he muttered under his breath.=0A No, he smiled to himself. That would have been all too easy. 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Subject: Re: Very nice 4" altimeter on Ebay
From: Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2014
Hi terry, when would you like to pick the engine up? Gardiner Sent from my iPad > On Sep 10, 2014, at 6:46 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > > Dan, > > Very nice looking indeed. That would look awesome in someone's Pietenpol. > > FWIW, I have a picture of the altimeter I found on eBay. It is being rebuilt and the face restored. If anybody finds an altimeter that needs rebuilding let me know and I will forward th einfo for the repair station doing mine. I was quoted a price of $250.00 to get mine restored. > > -------- > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > Athens, GA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430324#430324 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_162.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_911.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 12, 2014
Peter, Sorry it took so long flight r a response. I just returned from vacation. Dads GN-1 cabane lengths are both 21" front and rear. I haven't heard back from Mike Madrid yet. You should be in the ballpark with yours. Regards, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430454#430454 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Drawing the rib
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2014
Some assumptions first: 1) top line is the top of the upper capstrip 2) bottom line (not the reference line) is the bottom of the lower capstrip 3) the top line is measured from the bottom line (not the reference line) 4) My measurements are correct The drawing indicates that the trailing edge piece will be 1 1/4" wide starting at a point where the inside edges of the capstrips meet. My inside edges meet at a point where my trailing edge will have to be 1 3/4" wide (half inch longer) to get me to a 60" chord. Has anyone else come across this and if so, what did you do? In the photo, the last line to the right is 60 1/8" from the forward reference line. Measurements add up to 1/8" too much (big deal, right?). The line just left of it is 60". That hash mark area is where I expected the inside edges to meet (based on plans). Thank you -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430455#430455 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietprob001_191.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: W & B, CG, and LG location question
From: "Ken_P" <ken.potts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2014
William or Scotty, Sorry for the hijack as this isn't related to W&B but I have a friend who is trying to get a prop shipped from the US (Nevada) to Australia (Perth). Can you share the name of the shipping company Dan Weseman uses for Panther kits? Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430456#430456 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
Date: Sep 12, 2014
Mike, I received a lot of good advise from Oscar Zuniga's A&P friend concerning th is problem. If I find the letter, will forward it to you. I was hoping you h ad the magical solution. I put woven mesh shielding over my ignition wires and grounded the shielding to the magneto. I used the old time, non-shielded plugs, this did not work. Then I ordered shielded wires from ACS to fit the A-65 and used shielded pl ugs, this did not work. Then I put condensers on the P leads (ACS noise supp ressing condensers), this did not work. Then I shielded the P leads all the w ay from the ignition switch to the magnetos, this did not help. Right now I h ave the ACS ignition wires, shielded plugs, shielded P leads to the switch ( grounded on the magneto end) and the condensers. No joy! Oscar's friend said that the Eismann AM-4's have a plastic (Bakelite?) distr ibutor cap on the rear that is not shielded and this is where the noise is m ost likely coming from. He suggested making a "shield" out of metallic (copp er) screen formed to the shape of the distributor cap, place it over the cap s and ground it. I will try that someday, maybe this winter when things slow down. The A&P says the Eisemann mags are great and run forever, very reliab le, but not shielded and thus noisy (they have an AD on them that should be d one). Slick mags are shielded, expensive and are not as reliable (500 hr ove rhaul?). Of course, I may not live long enough to put 500 hrs on SkyScout! The ACS shielded wires come with the connectors for the shielded plugs on on e end. The wires are silicone rubber covered and the inner core appears to b e carbon within a clear tube. About 6" of this tube, without the silicone co ver, sticks out the magneto end of the wire and has a clip to plug into the m agneto. I don't understand how the shield is grounded, only on the spark plu g end? This is a work in progress with no solution, yet. If you find the solution, p lease let me know. All of this experimenting has been done on my 1946 restor ed Aeronca 7AC. It has the exact setup that I have for SkyScout...whenever i t flies! If you figure it out, let me know. I hate to buy 4 new Slick mags, wires and plugs just to be able to use a radio! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 12, 2014, at 3:56 AM, Michael Perez wrot e: > > Ray, you are correct, 2 Eisemann AM-4s. I do intend to use a handheld radi o. At this time, I do not a handheld picked out, nor do I have a headset cho sen. (I am using a borrowed, David Clark, non-noise canceling deal for my cu rrent flight training.) > > How did you handle the shielding on the mag side? Did you just run the shi elds to ground? My plan is to operate as is, however, if the noise is an is sue, I'll revisit my setup and come up with plan "B". > > Thanks for the heads up Ray. > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
Date: Sep 12, 2014
Could you describe your setup in more detail? You may have the silver bulle t that we need! I do not have wind noise in the Aeronca, it is the clicking n oise from the mags. It is even heard on a hand held radio 20' from the plane ! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 12, 2014, at 5:24 AM, Marcus Zechini wro te: > > I have 2 Eisemann AM-4s on my C-85-12. I use a handheld and finally got l eather mic muff covers which were the biggest issue. Now intercom is usable. > ATC & formation friends seem to hear me OK, I hear them. I am not sure, b ut I assume the spark plug wires are shielded. I don't get spark plug noise. > > -Zeke > NX431LA > GN-1 > >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Michael Perez wrote: >> Ray, you are correct, 2 Eisemann AM-4s. I do intend to use a handheld rad io. At this time, I do not a handheld picked out, nor do I have a headset ch osen. (I am using a borrowed, David Clark, non-noise canceling deal for my c urrent flight training.) >> >> How did you handle the shielding on the mag side? Did you just run the sh ields to ground? My plan is to operate as is, however, if the noise is an i ssue, I'll revisit my setup and come up with plan "B". >> >> Thanks for the heads up Ray. >> >> If God is your co-pilot, switch seats >> Mike Perez >> Karetaker Aero >> Construction complete! (8/2014) >> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
Date: Sep 12, 2014
Mike, Here is some of the info from Oscars friend, Jeff... More from Jeff... and by the way, I seem to remember that my airplane has ei ther 12 or 12-1/2 degrees of angle when sitting on the ground, and I don't h ave any problems with it. Don't go changing anything drastic with your land ing gear geometry just yet. -Oscar HI Oscar, Yep. If I remember correctly (it is possible that I may not), the distribut or cap on the AM series Eisemans are Bakelite, so offer no RF shielding what -so-ever. I suppose one could fashion a Faraday Cage over them, but I real ly don't have any feel at all for the density of the wire mesh to get any ef fectiveness from them. [couldn't get the diagrams to attach, but you'll get the idea] Below is a side-by-side cutaway of the LA-4 model on the left and the AM-4 m odel on the right. Note that the coil lead (#12 on the right picture) is ca st into the cap with no shielding. That is likely the source of most of the noise, although the spark jumping from the distributor gear is also going t o generate a lot of noise as well. I would also hate to give up the Eisemann mags. They work reliably and are e asy to repair. Effectively, they are a forever magneto. Not so much on the Slicks. With Slicks you do a 500 hour inspection, then throw them away at 1 000 hours or when they fail, whichever comes first. Since Ray apparently doesn't mind experimenting a bit, you might suggest he t ry using wire mesh to construct a grounded cage over each of the magnetos. I t might work. Or it might not. But an afternoon with the snips and a littl e bit of screen wire is a darned sight less expensive than a new set of mags . Any conductive wire mesh should do. The finer the mesh, the better. I w ould try window screening. Best regards, -Jeff Sent from my iPad > On Sep 12, 2014, at 3:56 AM, Michael Perez wrot e: > > Ray, you are correct, 2 Eisemann AM-4s. I do intend to use a handheld radi o. At this time, I do not a handheld picked out, nor do I have a headset cho sen. (I am using a borrowed, David Clark, non-noise canceling deal for my cu rrent flight training.) > > How did you handle the shielding on the mag side? Did you just run the shi elds to ground? My plan is to operate as is, however, if the noise is an is sue, I'll revisit my setup and come up with plan "B". > > Thanks for the heads up Ray. > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Santiago Morete's panel
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 13, 2014
It just looks great! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2014, at 9:15 PM, santiago morete w rote: > > Thank you Mike! I'm glad you like it! > Jake, I just need to find a decent one > Saludos! > > Santiago > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fahlin prop
From: Douwe <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Sep 13, 2014
Hey all, I'd sure appreciate ideas here. I have an unused ole fahlin prop probably made in the fifties It is in perfect shape. No delamination, good joints, metal edging tight,wood sound, etc. Can I use it? Can a prop co inspect it? I'd like to be able to use it if my cloud car prop ever gets hurt since I hear jay is quitting. Douwe Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Unsunscribe
Very clever Steve and well written. Nice to see others talents beyond building/flying aircraft. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: NX992WD "Finished"
Ray, I greatly appreciate all the intel. you have provided on this subject. Thanks to Jeff and Oscar as well. Unfortunately, I will not have an opportunity to do any noise/radio work until spring/summer next year. When I do, I'll try to remember to post what if anything I find. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gloriabots <gloriabots(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fahlin prop
Date: Sep 13, 2014
Douwe Hi! I had a Flottorp 72" X 50" that was circa 1943 but looked in fair condition. Rather than use it without a second opinion I did send it to a Prop Manufacturer called Hercules Props here in England. They stripped varnish, checked laminations (25!) then revarnished and balanced. It works great and cost 200. I also got a Certificate of Conformance for the LAA. Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Engine Run Full Video
In my first Engine Run post, that video was edited and short. I said I would release the full video once full disclosure commenced, so if interested... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNmXJ9MivmM If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2014
Subject: Re: Unsunscribe
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Heck , Mike, My talents are plagerism. I didn't write the original, I just changed Beech Bonanza for Pietenpol. We have looked for the author but he/she remains anonymous. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Very clever Steve and well written. Nice to see others talents beyond > building/flying aircraft. > > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fahlin prop
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 13, 2014
Douwe,=0A=0A=0AWould a prop company be able to see anything yo u can't? I doubt it. I say use it. To be certain, instal l and run it on the ground awhile.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoenslo e Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: D ouwe =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Sat, Sep 13, 2014 11:22 am=0ASubject: Pietenp Douwe =0A=0AHey all, I'd sure appreciate ideas here.=0A=0AI have an unused ole fahlin prop probably mad e in the fifties=0A=0AIt is in perfect shape. No delaminati on, good joints, metal edging tight,wood =0Asound, etc.=0A=0ACan I use it? Can a prop co inspect it?=0AI'd like to be able to use it if my cloud car prop ever gets hurt since I hear =0Ajay is quitting.=0A=0ADouwe =0A=0ASent from my iPho =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== ========================0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Sep 13, 2014
or: "Irrational exuberance" We've had a long spell of rainy weather. This morning sure seemed flyable http://youtu.be/7hgexhKyUKQ?list=UUSToJirZgmDJ6HKusAkowDQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430508#430508 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
Date: Sep 13, 2014
Jeff, Thanks do much for your continuing videos of encouragement. Absolutely beautiful! You always encourage me to get out to the shop and keep going. Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 13, 2014, at 4:36 PM, "Jeff Boatright" wrote: > > > or: "Irrational exuberance" > > We've had a long spell of rainy weather. This morning sure seemed flyable > > http://youtu.be/7hgexhKyUKQ?list=UUSToJirZgmDJ6HKusAkowDQ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430508#430508 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Sep 13, 2014
Hi Ray, Glad you enjoy them - I like making them! Here's the same video with music a little more appropriate: http://youtu.be/2euNmfDO67g Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430512#430512 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
Date: Sep 13, 2014
Jeff, That's even better! How do you come up with the music? Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 13, 2014, at 8:16 PM, "Jeff Boatright" wrote: > > > Hi Ray, > > Glad you enjoy them - I like making them! > > Here's the same video with music a little more appropriate: > > http://youtu.be/2euNmfDO67g > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430512#430512 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
Date: Sep 13, 2014
You must have one helluva giant smoke tank there Jeff. Clif Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets." (Oscar Wilde) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Boatright" > Hi Ray, > > Glad you enjoy them - I like making them! > > Here's the same video with music a little more appropriate: > > http://youtu.be/2euNmfDO67g ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
Awesome! Did ya log it? The instrument time.. Hehe Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430520#430520 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fahlin prop
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
I agree. The bad things all get in from the outside... I assume it's not casein glue.. Even then, delaminating would start at the edges. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430522#430522 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
Awesome...! I didn't get a chance to fly today but I was up till 1:00 am working on the Piet - so I'm that much closer...! A colleague from work is coming over to visit my project today. He is beginning a Pietenpol project...! Thanks Jeff...! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430528#430528 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
tools wrote: > Awesome! Did ya log it? The instrument time.. Hehe Visual meteorological conditions all the way around, baby, and at least 501 feet from all people, pets, plants, and other living things. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430532#430532 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
While chewing on that, let's move to the leading edge, where I've discovered an error (surly not the first). Apparently, the first nine measurements inside the wing profile are measured from the reference line. Starting about number 10, the measurements are from the bottom capstrip. I drew the rib template on tracing paper and laid it on my drawing. Works out pretty well as it goes from one set of measurements to the other. The one thing I can't figure out is the point 1.5" up from the reference line where the leading edge should touch. The only way to do that is move the tracing up so that the bottom edge of the top capstrip is on my line (second image). Perhaps it would be much easier for me to use the Riblett 612. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430533#430533 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/m2260001_154.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/m2260002_584.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
aerocarjake wrote: > Awesome...! I didn't get a chance to fly today but I was up till 1:00 am working on the Piet - so I'm that much closer...! > > A colleague from work is coming over to visit my project today. He is beginning a Pietenpol project...! > > Thanks Jeff...! Glad you liked it. A bunch of us at Toogahnein are trying to take a lesson from this, but all I can say is, all the local airports were calling VFR and there was an awful lot of blue sky overhead when I took off, so I'm not sure what I'd do differently next time. Even when I got back on the ground and looking up, the scud just faded into the background of a high overcast. Now, within 30 min of rolling the Piet into the hangar, a lot more stuff rolled in that was very clearly low and bad, so that was an easy call to go get a coffee. I do plan to practice my spirals down to a landing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430536#430536 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
I made a rough drawing of the Riblett 612. This looks like a 612, so I'll use this for my ribs. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430541#430541 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribnose_101.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribmid_414.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribtail_104.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
Oh, I get it! The craziest VFR landing I ever did was a time when I called the tower to lower the landing light intensity... and then on roll out I couldn't see ANYTHING!!! Just one of those crazy things... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430542#430542 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
John wrote: "Apparently, the first nine measurements inside the wing profile are measured from the reference line. Starting about number 10, the measurements are from the bottom capstrip." Where did you get this idea from? There are dimensions positioned underneath the reference line. These dimensions are from the reference line to the underside of the airfoil. Then there are dimensions positioned inside the airfoil shape. these dimensions are from the bottom surface of the airfoil to the top of the airfoil. There is one exception to this convention, and that occurs at the first position from the leading edge, where no lower dimension has been provided - just one dimension, from reference line to top of airfoil (in this case 2"). I'm assuming that you're using genuine Pietenpol plans (snapshot attached, for reference). If you drew up your airfoil profile using the interpretation you stated above, you will end up with a distorted airfoil, and no doubt would have difficulty locating your leading edge at the 1 1/2" height. I suggest you try redrawing the airfoil, using the proper dimensions. It works. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430543#430543 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/20140914_210950_107.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
Thank you Bill. I have the genuine plans, ordered from the official site. I'm attaching a photo I took when it arrived. 1) I drew a straight reference line. 2) I made marks from left to right as depicted on the profile view (1/2", then seven 1" and so on. As you know, it ends up 60 1/8". 3) to draw the bottom, I used the measurements written just above the spacing measurements (just below the reference line). 4) to draw the top, I measured from the bottom (capstrip) line using the measurements provided within the wing. 5) I later drew the top line measuring from the bottom reference line. When I overlaid my sketch with the full size rib drawing (which has shrunk about 1/8"), the bottom capstrip lines up nicely. The upper capstrip, however, hit the marks measured from the reference line and around the tenth point, seems to match my marks measuring from the bottom capstrip line. Under the tracing paper, at the top capstrip, you can make out marks I have showing where the measurements using the horizontal reference line ended up. I just thought it was odd and measured everything again (all measurements with the same ruler).


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