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The profile shows the LE hits a forward vertical reference line 1 1/2" from the horizontal reference line. I'm not sure how that can happen using the full size rib drawing I have; and even with the rib drawn using the measurements, it still won't work. I'll check it again tomorrow. I'll use a different ruler. Oh, I even wore my eyeglasses for this. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430544#430544 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/plans_arrive_774.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/m2260010_363.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Run Full Video
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
And that's what they're supposed to sound like! Very nice, Michael. You might want to look at the position of the prop when it stops, and possibly re-clock it to a different position to make starting a bit easier. It appeared that the person who was doing the propping had to reposition the prop to get it where the blade was ready to stroke downward, and in doing so had to pull it through part of a cycle by hand. This can sometimes lead to a start when the person doing the propping isn't ready. My prop stops at roughly the 10 o'clock-4 o'clock position, ready for the next start, and rarely requires any manual repositioning to get the downward blade into position. Picture here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/a75005.jpg -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430545#430545 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
Experimental 41CC put in just about 1.0 in the logbook on Saturday, flying amongst a steady stream of air tankers coming and going from wildland fires in our region. VERY busy at our airport, which has not one but two tanker bases set up this fire season and although I took it on up to 3000', the horizontal visibility really deteriorated fast so after that I kept it down low. The temporary tanker base on the east side of our field is home to a pair of heavy DC-10s for the duration, and besides the PV-2s and other stuff there has also been a very interesting amphibious tanker, heli-tankers, and a pair of turbine aerial applicators (Thrushes?) working the fires. Last week I pulled the plane out but didn't even attempt to go up... they were even holding King Airs outside the Class Delta airspace at times, it was so busy with tankers. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430546#430546 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 14, 2014
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Oscar, Those fire fighting pilots are heroes in my book. Glad they are there to keep the forest fires at bay and you and your Scout safe. Cheers, Ken p.s. Nice to have you back on the list! On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:11 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Experimental 41CC put in just about 1.0 in the logbook on Saturday, flying > amongst a steady stream of air tankers coming and going from wildland fires > in our region. VERY busy at our airport, which has not one but two tanker > bases set up this fire season and although I took it on up to 3000', the > horizontal visibility really deteriorated fast so after that I kept it down > low. > > The temporary tanker base on the east side of our field is home to a pair > of heavy DC-10s for the duration, and besides the PV-2s and other stuff > there has also been a very interesting amphibious tanker, heli-tankers, and > a pair of turbine aerial applicators (Thrushes?) working the fires. Last > week I pulled the plane out but didn't even attempt to go up... they were > even holding King Airs outside the Class Delta airspace at times, it was so > busy with tankers. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430546#430546 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
Date: Sep 14, 2014
Does it look like this,Oscar? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCL0_TTsHzo Clif there has also been a very interesting amphibious tanker, > -------- > Oscar Zuniga ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2014
Clif; I think it's a CL-415 but I haven't seen it very often. I'll have to pay closer attention next time. It's yellow ;o) Ken; I'm not yet resubscribed to the list but thought I'd check in on the Forum tonight to see what was up. I'll be back in a few weeks; promise. Meantime, I can report that the tanker operators here are really cool customers. In the 24+ months that I spent almost every Saturday and Sunday afternoon at the hangar working on the Piet, I kept my little Icom on the tower frequency to keep up with the radio chatter and it's always interesting during fire season The tanker pilots are professional, consistent, concise, and occasionally entertaining. The tanker fleet at the moment includes a pair of BAE-146s that seem to have come with British crew, because the voice on the radio is definitely Limey ;o) Then there was the day when Tanker Six had a stuck mike, much to the consternation of the extremely busy tower controller, and we all listened to the captain's cockpit calls for about 10 minutes, 'gear up', 'flaps five', etc.- while nobody else could conduct communications. Finally we heard the captain of the tanker declare, "I can't hear a thing so my mike must be stuck" and I guess he powered down the COMM at that point. They really do a good job, and I only wish I could get over close to the tanker base to smell the blue oil smoke when they fire up the big R-3350s on the P2V Neptunes. I love radials. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430550#430550 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 15, 2014
Subject: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
From: Peter Johnson <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Scott, Thanks for that. Ill let you know how it all goes when she is flying. Cheers Peter On 13/09/2014 8:02 am, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > >Peter, >Sorry it took so long flight r a response. I just returned from vacation. >Dads GN-1 cabane lengths are both 21" front and rear. I haven't heard >back from Mike Madrid yet. You should be in the ballpark with yours. >Regards, > >-------- >Scott Liefeld >Flying N11MS since March 1972 >Steel Tube >C-85-12 >Wire Wheels >Brodhead in 1996 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430454#430454 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 15, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Run Full Video
Thank you Oscar. I have not ran the engine since that video and do not plan to do so until I get it out to a hangar. Until then, I have it back in my shop. I agree with you...amongst other odd and end tweaks, I'll fix the propeller clocking. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stupid Piet Tricks
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2014
Oscar my dad flew P2's for years in the Navy, they held an Alpha designation. At his recent military burial service 4 members from his crew attended. Lots of great stories... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Sep 14, 2014, at 11:33 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > Clif; > > I think it's a CL-415 but I haven't seen it very often. I'll have to pay closer attention next time. It's yellow ;o) > > Ken; I'm not yet resubscribed to the list but thought I'd check in on the Forum tonight to see what was up. I'll be back in a few weeks; promise. Meantime, I can report that the tanker operators here are really cool customers. In the 24+ months that I spent almost every Saturday and Sunday afternoon at the hangar working on the Piet, I kept my little Icom on the tower frequency to keep up with the radio chatter and it's always interesting during fire season The tanker pilots are professional, consistent, concise, and occasionally entertaining. The tanker fleet at the moment includes a pair of BAE-146s that seem to have come with British crew, because the voice on the radio is definitely Limey ;o) Then there was the day when Tanker Six had a stuck mike, much to the consternation of the extremely busy tower controller, and we all listened to the captain's cockpit calls for about 10 minutes, 'gear up', 'flaps five', etc.- while nobody else could conduct communications. ! > Finally we heard the captain of the tanker declare, "I can't hear a thing so my mike must be stuck" and I guess he powered down the COMM at that point. They really do a good job, and I only wish I could get over close to the tanker base to smell the blue oil smoke when they fire up the big R-3350s on the P2V Neptunes. I love radials. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430550#430550 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 15, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Engine/Fuel Storage
Since I have now ran my engine, I am wondering if I need to do anything special to protect it while it sits during the winter. It will be inside a heated shop. I also have about 4.5 gallons of 100LL stored. Is it O.K. to use a fuel stabilizer like STA-BIL then reuse the fuel next spring? If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez KaretakerAero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 15, 2014
Subject: Re: Engine/Fuel Storage
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Mike, 100LL is very stable, That is one of the properties required of it. IMHO it does not need STA-BIL, but STABIL will not hurt it. Autogas is not very stable and is known to start creating varnish after as little as a month. Blue Skies, Steve D On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Since I have now ran my engine, I am wondering if I need to do anything > special to protect it while it sits during the winter. It will be inside a > heated shop. I also have about 4.5 gallons of 100LL stored. Is it O.K. to > use a fuel stabilizer like STA-BIL then reuse the fuel next spring? > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 15, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Engine/Fuel Storage
Thanks Steve. Any opinion on preparations for engine storage through winter? If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Piets - Phx Deer Valley?
From: "gsnewsome" <newfaithkat(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 15, 2014
Any Piets Based out of Phx Deer Valley? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430561#430561 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 15, 2014
Subject: Re: Engine/Fuel Storage
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Mike, before sticking my vtail into storage for my deployments, I followed this regime taught to me by an old mechinic: Put in fresh oil, fly the plane and get the oil good and hot (operating temperature) for about 25-30 min. When you kill the engine, immeadiatly put the prop where you want it. Now don't touch the prop until you start it next time. Period. Mark your prop so no one touches it. Everything inside is coated with a fine mist of oil, if the prop is moved, that will scrape oil off of some parts and expose them to corrosion. I then, pull the top spark plugs and squirt a mix of Marvel mystery oil and 100Wt into each jug. I also make sure that the carb is soaked in 100LL fuel. NO CARGAS for storage, it turns to varnish or worse. Pull the battery and put it up for charging and storage. I put Bounce fabric softener sheets all over the place. It is said that mice don't like the smell. I plug in a sonic rodent repeller and put out poison bait where my grandkids and pets won't get to it. For storage, 100WW is better (thicker) You can get special pickling oil from Phillips if you really want to do it up right. That is it. Blue Skies, Steve D. On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Thanks Steve. Any opinion on preparations for engine storage through > winter? > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Sep 15, 2014
Peter, Your welcome. Mike.Madrid got back.with me last night. All four of his are 20 78 inches. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430566#430566 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: A-65 major overhaul begins
Date: Sep 15, 2014
Thanks Mike P. for the good word and yes Dan Helsper, the hope is to fina lly fly back to Brodhead next July for the Piet fly-in. My goal is to let Simon McCormack fly it with his wife Susan at Brodhead. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2014
It just dawned on me... The full size rib drawing is apparently an improved wing from the one shown on sheet 5. The front nine inches of the full size improved rib is quite more narrower than page 5, and the very tip of the leading edge will be at least half an inch lower than sheet 5. That would affect the chord line. Seems to me that no matter what rib is used, a builder would have to draw the chord line and measure that off the longitudinal axis to achieve the required angle (affects cabanes length). The remainder of the plans may be based of the old rib (page 5) and not factor the changes of the new rib. I expect some measurements to be off because of this. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430591#430591 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: I left
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2014
So glad you were able to find enjoyment in the time you did spend on the Pietenpol. It will always carry your spirit. Sorry you could not carry it forward. You wll always be part of this group of souls who are taking flight via history and camaraderie....! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430595#430595 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: a few motivational Piet pictures
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2014
Nice job Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 20, 2014, at 11:29 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners , LLC]" wrote: > > > Earl Brown with wife Katrina (from PA) try out Piet for size. > > > > Checkout that very cool use of Larry William=99s cen ter section for rags/supplies! (Douwe to right of Larry) > > > > > > Kevin=99s wife Shelley prepares Curt Merdan=99s daughter fo r a ride at Brodhead. Ma tt Paxton from VA gives a ride to John Recine=99s Cousin Faith at Brod head. > > > > Gentleman Jack Phillips and Greg Cardinal at Brodhead. Kevin Pu rtee, Ryan Mueller, Gary Boothe at Brodhead a few years ago. > > > > Dan Helsper at Brodhead Jack and Susan Textor with Kevin Purtee , center. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 16, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: I left
Mario, I fully understand you position and all things considered, I am sure you have made the right choice. (as hard as it may be) Who ever received your plane really did get a work of art. Stay in touch with the list...perhaps an opportunity to start a new will come your way. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Mario
Date: Sep 16, 2014
Mario, we've certainly enjoyed walking with you and wish you all the best. Please DO keep in touch and encourage the new builder to join this group. I personally enjoy very much hearing about projects around the world. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 16, 2014
John, There must be something wrong with either your full-size rib printout or the way you're lofting the airfoil. The only real difference between the full size rib printout and the rib on drawing No 5 is that the full size printout has the vertical sticks added beside the spars. The airfoil has not been "improved". Some people find that the full size printout is stretched or shrunk a bit, due to the printing process and changes in humidity - but that is typically in the order of 1/8" or 1/4" on the overall length. In my memory, I do not recall reading about anyone ever experiencing the issues you're having. I suspect that your issues have to do with the way you're you're lofting (drawing) the airfoil. There should be no differences of 1/2". There is only one Pietenpol airfoil. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430615#430615 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2014
I'm going to make a video showing everything, and maybe someone will be able to identify the problem. Standby for a link to the video. Thank you. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430619#430619 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Skip G. ?
Date: Sep 16, 2014
Infidels, countrymen, and Pietenpol Enthusiasts! I'm trying to connect a potential Piet builder in the West Virginia area wi th Skip & Cinda Gaad but haven't seen Skip on the list lately. I know they live in/near Elizabeth, WV and built their home on an airstrip but don't have any contact info on him. If anyone has an address/ phone numbers please e-mail me directly at Michael.D.Cuy(at)nasa.g ov Thank YOU!!! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Skip G. ?
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2014
=0AMike, where is this person in West VA? I'm less than an hour's drive from West By God Virginny. Maybe I'm closer than Skip is. Everything is a 2 hour drive in West Virgini a because of the mountains. =0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0A=0A=0A-----Origin al Message-----=0AFrom: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-LME0)[Vantage=0A Partners, LLC] =0A 2014 4:47 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Skip G. ?=0A=0A=0A=0A Infidels, countrymen, and Pietenpol Enthusiasts!=0A =0AI=99m t rying to connect a potential Piet builder in the West Virgin ia area with Skip & Cinda Gaad but haven=99t seen Skip on the list=0Alately. =0A =0AI know they live in/near Eliza beth, WV and built their home on an airstrip but don=99 t have any contact info on him. If anyone has=0Aan address/ phone numbers please e-mail me directly atMichael.D.Cuy@n =========================== =========================== =========================== ===========================0A =========================== =========================== =========================== ===============0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Thank you! Skip Gaad info
Date: Sep 16, 2014
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Subject: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2014
Here's a video where I show the page 5 drawing, the rib profile based on page 5 and the full size overlay. I'm seeing a difference between both ribs, and I'd like to resolve it so I can build a correct rib. So, shall I build my ribs based on page 5 dimensions, or use the full size profile? Thank you. http://youtu.be/KZSTQas6iEA -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430639#430639 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2014
John, Just as an observation... without knowing whether you ever took a drafting class, or had any formal training in layout or lofting... it would appear that your lines themselves, are way too thick. Thin lines are much better as the thickness of the line never distorts or influences the design you're transferring to paper - or, in this case, plywood. Another item I noticed is that your dimensions are taken - and I'm not dissing you here, just giving you another observation - from the end of the scale. If you want to produce accurate dimensions, place the 1.0 inch line at the starting point or datum, if you will, and hold the scale firmly in place while you place - or measure - the location of the tick marks. The above are techniques which aren't being taught anymore in the era of CAD programs, but when you're actually laying out a series of points to produce an airfoil, or any other critical design, the old school techniques can be the difference you're experiencing. After 40+ years of Mechanical Design Engineering & drafting, just my $0.02. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430654#430654 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2014
yes drafting is an art form that is being lost..so sad.. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430660#430660 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2014
Appreciate the comments. In making the tick marks along the horizontal reference line, I clamped a long metal ruler (can be seen momentarily at 3:19) and started at the forward line (datum). I measured this ruler with several others by the way, and decided to use the long metal one for all rib measurements to maintain consistency. I had to use a magnifying glass for those 32nd and 64th measurements. Oh, I took a mechanical drawing class in 1978 at SUNY Farmingdale. Still using the old T square (in opening of video, it's behind the blue ruler; you can see the "T" down low as it's hanging upside down). Yes, the pencil line is a bit thick, but didn't think it would make a substantial impact, but I'll try this again with a mechanical pencil. I contacted Andrew Pietenpol and he has already responded (I sent him the video link also). He said he's going to call me later. He mentioned in his note "the plane was always under continuous improvement". One thing I noticed going through the booklet (orange cover) is the wing on page 30 (Sky Scout) is the same rib on plans page 5. Hmmm. Looking forward to a phone call later. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430669#430669 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 17, 2014
From: "THOMAS.233327" <thomas.233327(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
John and Tom I agree with fine lines, but question the problem with using the end of the ruler or scale. I was a draftsmen for 3 years, then went to template making for Boeing. Drafting scales all have the 0 (zero) a small distance from the end of the scale, machinists have the zero at the end of the scale. Draftsman start at the one inch mark, shop people test the scale making a mark at the end of the scale and at some convenient distance down the scale-1", 4", 3 cm, whatever, move the scale so the 1" mark is on one mark and see if the end of the scale produces accurate measurements. If its good, use the end od the scale, if not THROW THAT SCALE AWAY!. I guarantee you will end up with parts that are 1" short with maddening regularity if you use the 1" mark as a starting point. I spent a whole career in the shop and I learned this from experience (mostly building boats). Tom Hale PS. Yes Jake, I'm the Tom who built the HummelBird and was an officer in 441 of several years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:43:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question John, Just as an observation... without knowing whether you ever took a drafting class, or had any formal training in layout or lofting... it would appear that your lines themselves, are way too thick. Thin lines are much better as the thickness of the line never distorts or influences the design you're transferring to paper - or, in this case, plywood. Another item I noticed is that your dimensions are taken - and I'm not dissing you here, just giving you another observation - from the end of the scale. If you want to produce accurate dimensions, place the 1.0 inch line at the starting point or datum, if you will, and hold the scale firmly in place while you place - or measure - the location of the tick marks. The above are techniques which aren't being taught anymore in the era of CAD programs, but when you're actually laying out a series of points to produce an airfoil, or any other critical design, the old school techniques can be the difference you're experiencing. After 40+ years of Mechanical Design Engineering & drafting, just my $0.02. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430654#430654 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2014
Amazing that Andrew Pietenpol would call me. He said: 1) can build either the full size rib OR the rib from drawing 5. There's an 86 year difference between the two (his words). 2) Keep it simple. 3) Stick to the plans. 4) keep it light It sure says something when he can take the time out of his life to chat with a builder. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430675#430675 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2014
hello... I watched your video and it does look like a confusing discrepancy...?!?!? (Since I bought my wings that another person had built, I have not much to offer in regards to this question.) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430682#430682 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2014
Andrew Pietenpol called me this morning. He said: 1) can build from either the full size rib OR the rib from drawing 5. There's an 86 year difference between the two (his words). 2) Keep it simple. 3) Stick to the plans. 4) keep it light Apparently, they are different ribs. The one on plans page 5 is the Sky Scout rib from page 30 of the orange booklet. In his email to me, he made this comment "In short the plane was always under continuous improvement." Since I already painstakingly drew the rib from page 5 of the plans, and he said it's OK, that's the one I'm building. It sure says something when he can take the time out of his life to chat with a builder. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430693#430693 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wings and cabanes-----one simple question
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2014
When looking at the rib on page 5, compare it to the Sky Scout rib on page 30 of the orange booklet. They're the same. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430694#430694 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Oshkosh trip complete.
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2014
Left 2rn in Oshkosh for a while to get the condition inspection done and flew it back to chickamauga yesterday end today.. Awesome trip! I think Scott and I are over 45 hours of cross country time together in her. More pics and videos to follow. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430695#430695 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_418.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Oshkosh trip complete.
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2014
More pics from along the way. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430702#430702 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_207.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_582.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Oshkosh trip complete.
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 17, 2014
Nice picture, Lance Captain! -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430703#430703 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Mario
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2014
Thank you Douwe, The person who bought it is in the group. And I will be here, in the feauture I am going to build something else, not a Piet, something easier, may be my first idea... not so beautifull, a little .. selfish?.. (just for one), etc... Regards, -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430723#430723 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: I left
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2014
It's hard to see him go, yes it is. But reality is reality, and as Cortes said sometime you have to "burn the ships" and go ahead. I hope to see it flying soon, it will be a great reward for us. Hasta luego. -------- Mario Giacummo Photos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4 Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430724#430724 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Oshkosh trip complete.
Date: Sep 18, 2014
I don't think inverted flight is allowed in a Piet. LOL Barry -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 6:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh trip complete. Left 2rn in Oshkosh for a while to get the condition inspection done and flew it back to chickamauga yesterday end today.. Awesome trip! I think Scott and I are over 45 hours of cross country time together in her. More pics and videos to follow. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430695#430695 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_418.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2014
Hi John, The rib on page 30 in the orange manual the family sells is the rib from the Pietenpol Air Camper articles in the 1932 Flying and Glider manual. I took a couple pics of the illustration from my respective copies of the original F&G Manual, the EAA reprint, and the orange manual (which is a repackaging of the text from the F&G manuals with some additional content). The Air Camper and the Sky Scout use the same airfoil and same basic rib, however the brace aft of the rear spar was modified by the time of publication of the Sky Scout plans in the 1933 Flying and Glider manual; it goes aft from the top of the rear spar versus aft from the bottom as shown in the '32 drawing. As noted in the text: "I wish to call your attention to the brace back of the rear wing beam. This was changed from the plans of the Air Camper, and I advise all of you who have not built your wing ribs to build them this way." This change was included in the "Improved" Air Camper plans that are sold by the family, thusly the rib on page 5 reflects that modification. I've got a set of plans and one of the full size rib prints as well, I just haven't had time yet to loft the front section and check it again the full-size print. If the full size print doesn't match up, then I would think either something was inadvertently altered in their duplication process, or maybe there was an error made when the full size print was drawn. I don't have it with me at work, but I seem to recall that drawing being signed by Donald....I could be wrong.... -Ryan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430745#430745 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/orangemanual_407.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/eaa_fandgreprint_585.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/32_fandgmanual_327.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2014
I've never seen a drawing or builder photo showing the rear brace going from the bottom of the spar. Guess it would be a rather old plane by this point. All I know from the phone call is the full size rib came out 86 years after the page 5 rib, and either is acceptable (they're different). When you plot and compare to the full size, you'll see the same thing I saw. Generally speaking, page 5 rib forward nine inches is a little thicker, but then slightly narrower until the trailing edge. Using carbon paper, I traced the full size over my drawingit's close enough to show the differences. All plotted points from page 5 are circled. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430747#430747 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribtail_111.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribcenter_199.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ribfront_169.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Oshkosh trip complete.
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Sep 18, 2014
Just wondering how long you can fly inverted with that gravity fuel system? Godspeed Tools and son... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430761#430761 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair College 31
From: "wheelharp" <wheelharp(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 18, 2014
Just got home from CC 31 in Mexico MO...man, what a great time! I have often read about how good these things are, and I was definitely not disappointed. -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430767#430767 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 19, 2014
Subject: Re: Mario
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Ditto what Douwe said. Chuck On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Mario, we=99ve certainly enjoyed walking with you and wish you all the > best. Please DO keep in touch and encourage the new builder to join this > group. I personally enjoy very much hearing about projects around the > world. > > > Douwe > > * > =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Drawing the rib
Date: Sep 19, 2014
Ryan I didn't get the orange manual when I ordered the plans. Does anyone know off-hand if there are still available separately? Thanks Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drawing the rib Hi John, The rib on page 30 in the orange manual the family sells is the rib from the Pietenpol Air Camper articles in the 1932 Flying and Glider manual. I took a couple pics of the illustration from my respective copies of the original F&G Manual, the EAA reprint, and the orange manual (which is a repackaging of the text from the F&G manuals with some additional content). The Air Camper and the Sky Scout use the same airfoil and same basic rib, however the brace aft of the rear spar was modified by the time of publication of the Sky Scout plans in the 1933 Flying and Glider manual; it goes aft from the top of the rear spar versus aft from the bottom as shown in the '32 drawing. As noted in the text: "I wish to call your attention to the brace back of the rear wing beam. This was changed from the plans of the Air Camper, and I advise all of you who have not built your wing ribs to build them this way." This change was included in the "Improved" Air Camper plans that are sold by the family, thusly the rib on page 5 reflects that modification. I've got a set of plans and one of the full size rib prints as well, I just haven't had time yet to loft the front section and check it again the full-size print. If the full size print doesn't match up, then I would think either something was inadvertently altered in their duplication process, or maybe there was an error made when the full size print was drawn. I don't have it with me at work, but I seem to recall that drawing being signed by Donald....I could be wrong.... -Ryan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430745#430745 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/orangemanual_407.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/eaa_fandgreprint_585.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/32_fandgmanual_327.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair College 31
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2014
Jon, Glad to hear you enjoyed the College in Mexico MO. If you liked that one, try Barnwell SC in November. Absolutely the nicest people host the event. Food and beverages are plentiful and delicious. 100% of the registration fee covers the food, beverages, etc. The airport added lots of lighting in the hangar - which the "tenants" remove their aircraft for us. Half the hangar is used for building the other half set up with tables and chairs for breaks, meals, etc. This will be trip #5 for me in this location. My engine ran during my trip #2 (2011 college #21) If any one has question feel free to email me off list rdewenter at woh.rr.com Hoping to see Dan Glaze again this year. I know my friends John Francis, and Chuck Campbell are planning on running a new engine! and friend Christopher price will be there wrenching. This should be quite an active event. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430778#430778 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 19, 2014
Jack, Scroll down the page to Product#4. http://community.pressenter.net/~apietenp/BHPietenpolAndSonsAirCamperAircraftPurchasePlans.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430780#430780 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair College 31
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2014
I'd like to make SC if I could. Not sure what I'd bring though; I'm down to about 20 bolts before it's all apart and I have the crankshaft out. Nothing to build as I have to send cores in and so on. Hmmm, maybe just go without engine pieces? Would my wife have enjoy it? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430785#430785 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair College 31
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2014
Pocono John You will be able to see engines in about every stage of completion, learn how to correctly assemble, set timing, adjust lifters, see small problems (you could face) solved in front of your eyes, meet nice people, LEARN, and volunteer your "tear down" experience, help with the test stand. Come to the event if you can make it. Bob -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430787#430787 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair College 31
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2014
OK, will see how my schedule turns out. Thanks! -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430788#430788 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: new engine
From: "bender" <dude(at)twc.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2014
well I've been working on converting from an A to an A-65.. here is what I've been doing.. BTW I'm just under 600 lbs now.. and I moved my EWCG forward an inch jeff faith sdf Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430796#430796 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a651_551.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/a65_190.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new engine
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2014
That's awesome, and a very good looking machine. Just think...you can now fly 2hrs away for lunch, and fly back, as if you're in a 172. No tinkering, no worries all year long. I pop the cowl off once or twice/year and she's clean as a whistle...and it always starts w/in 3 swings of the prop. Also liking the 2300 rpm's for a red line...still very antique-like. Not knocking other's choices of powerplants(disclaimer), but sure dig the good old bulletproof A65's :-) -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430797#430797 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new engine
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2014
Jeff, Looks great! I really like your cowl. Reminds me of the early Monocoupe cowl. Very nice. I get the feeling you're really gonna like that set up. With such a great weight and cg it should really perform well. First flight repeat scheduled any time soon? Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430801#430801 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair College 31
From: "wheelharp" <wheelharp(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 19, 2014
Make that CC30 I went to....not 31 -------- Jon Jones Ironton, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430802#430802 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: new engine
Date: Sep 19, 2014
Jeff, Beautiful prop, did you carve it? Obviously oak, what size? Have you tried it, yet? I really admire the "cowling", very neat and clean. Thanks for the pics, Ray Krause, Building SkyScout Sent from my iPad > On Sep 19, 2014, at 12:42 PM, "bender" wrote: > > > well I've been working on converting from an A to an A-65.. > here is what I've been doing.. > > BTW I'm just under 600 lbs now.. and I moved my EWCG forward an inch > > jeff faith > > sdf > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430796#430796 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a651_551.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a65_190.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new engine
From: "bender" <dude(at)twc.com>
Date: Sep 20, 2014
I carved the prop out of ash. . Following Dan Helspers instructions. I'm heading over to see if it'll start today. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430821#430821 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: new engine
Date: Sep 20, 2014
Beautiful, single piece of ash? Thanks, And it will run just fine. Don't forget to safety wire the carb bolts, if you haven't. I had to check yours because I'm trying to do mine right now, not easy! Love your crush plate, I have to make one. Not sure what happened to the one for my engine. I have the prop, spinner, bolts and everything but the crush plate. I have a friend who can probably make one on his CNC milling machine. Let us know how it runs. What mags are you running? Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 20, 2014, at 7:28 AM, "bender" wrote: > > > I carved the prop out of ash. . Following Dan Helspers instructions. I'm heading over to see if it'll start today. > > Jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430821#430821 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new engine
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 20, 2014
She's a beauty, Jeff. A real beauty. The external aileron cables sure make preflight inspection easy, and so does the abbreviated cowling that pretty much puts the entire engine out there where you can look at everything. I've got to agree with Ray or whoever it was who mentioned safetying the carb it takes more time to safety everything on a Stromberg than it does to rebuild one ;o) I just put another 1.0 on Scout this afternoon and like you said with yours, my A75 fired up on the third blade and never missed a beat. We had 99 degrees this afternoon and the oil temp got up to about 195 in the climb to 3000', but the engine is dry as a bone (except for a slight drip from one of the rocker cover gaskets and a couple of drops from the breather after I park) and everything is smooth. For my crush plate I just had my machinist buddy turn a disc from 1/4" aluminum stock and drill for the AN6 bolts, then I sandwiched a replica Continental Motors plate between the bolt heads and crush plate (got it from Wag-Aero) and safetied after torqueing. You can see it at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430850#430850 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Lift struts
From: "Bill R" <brcapper(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 20, 2014
I am trying to determine what material to use for my lift struts and cabanes. In the running are 4130 streamline tubing from Aircraft Spruce, aluminum streamline from Carlson and 4130 tubing streamlined the old fashion way. It looks like the 4130 streamline tubing from Aircraft Spruce would cost well north of $1500. Their catalog did not list any load bearing capabilities for the various sizes of tubing. The Carlson website does list load bearing capabilities,but in terms I am not familiar with. The cost savings of aluminum over the steel streamline tubing is not insignificant. The old fashion way of streamline steel tubing is not to appealing to me, but I might be talked into it. The real questions for me have to do with understanding the loads likely to be imposed on the lift struts of an Aircamper and whether or not the aluminum strut material from Carlson is up to the task. I know there is at least one Aircamper flying with the aluminum struts, Dan Helspers'. Dan and his beautiful plane were featured in the summer issue of Contact magazine. As the article was not of an engineering nature there was no mention of any research Dan may have done before deciding to use the aluminum struts.Not being one to to risk my neck or anyone else's, I would prefer to have some data before I follow someone else's example. Any thoughts would be appreciated, but please keep in mind you will be replying to a simpleton,not an engineer. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430851#430851 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Lift struts
Date: Sep 20, 2014
Bill, Another option (and one that has been used many times, including on my own Pietenpol), is to find a set of old Piper Cub struts, removed due to AD. You can cut off the bottom end of the strut where the corrosion is and still have plenty of good steel left to make a Pietenpol lift strut, since the Cub struts are about 10' long, but Pietenpol only needs about 8' per strut. There are a lot of these old struts out there - it just takes a little perseverence to find them. They are not 4130, but are 1018 mild carbon steel, and only .035" thick. Still they are plenty strong enough for a Pietenpol. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lift struts I am trying to determine what material to use for my lift struts and cabanes. In the running are 4130 streamline tubing from Aircraft Spruce, aluminum streamline from Carlson and 4130 tubing streamlined the old fashion way. It looks like the 4130 streamline tubing from Aircraft Spruce would cost well north of $1500. Their catalog did not list any load bearing capabilities for the various sizes of tubing. The Carlson website does list load bearing capabilities,but in terms I am not familiar with. The cost savings of aluminum over the steel streamline tubing is not insignificant. The old fashion way of streamline steel tubing is not to appealing to me, but I might be talked into it. The real questions for me have to do with understanding the loads likely to be imposed on the lift struts of an Aircamper and whether or not the aluminum strut material from Carlson is up to the task. I know there is at least one Aircamper flying with the aluminum struts, Dan Helspers'. Dan and his beautiful plane were featured in the summer issue of Contact magazine. As the article was not of an engineering nature there was no mention of any research Dan may have done before deciding to use the aluminum struts.Not being one to to risk my neck or anyone else's, I would prefer to have some data before I follow someone else's example. Any thoughts would be appreciated, but please keep in mind you will be replying to a simpleton,not an engineer. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430851#430851 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2014
Subject: battery
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Gentlemen, and Oscar, I am going to add a battery to run my radio/intercom as well as my oil pressure and temp gauges. Any thoughts? I want light, cheap and very effective. If it has much weight at all, I plan on putting it as far forward as possible. Any input on forward or behind the firewall. What battery do you suggest? -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lift struts
From: "Braniff1966" <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 20, 2014
any of the choices you talked about are just fine..cub struts are cheap and work great.. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430856#430856 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: new engine
Date: Sep 20, 2014
Oscar, Thanks for the lead on the Continental "crush" plate replica from Wag-Aero. Now we can all copy you! I had seen your crush plate before and admired it. The shield on the mags did not work. I even insulated the shield around the p lead terminal, but it still shorted out and made the engine lose power. And, it did not stop the radio noise, maybe just a little better. Now I have tried everything, maybe time for some Slick mags. Just another $1600! But thanks to you and your friend for all the help. The only thing I have not tried is a good, isolated antenna. Thanks again, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:57 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > She's a beauty, Jeff. A real beauty. The external aileron cables sure make preflight inspection easy, and so does the abbreviated cowling that pretty much puts the entire engine out there where you can look at everything. I've got to agree with Ray or whoever it was who mentioned safetying the carb it takes more time to safety everything on a Stromberg than it does to rebuild one ;o) > > I just put another 1.0 on Scout this afternoon and like you said with yours, my A75 fired up on the third blade and never missed a beat. We had 99 degrees this afternoon and the oil temp got up to about 195 in the climb to 3000', but the engine is dry as a bone (except for a slight drip from one of the rocker cover gaskets and a couple of drops from the breather after I park) and everything is smooth. For my crush plate I just had my machinist buddy turn a disc from 1/4" aluminum stock and drill for the AN6 bolts, then I sandwiched a replica Continental Motors plate between the bolt heads and crush plate (got it from Wag-Aero) and safetied after torqueing. You can see it at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430850#430850 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: battery
make a bracket.. mount it on the engine and look at it thats how it was done in the day of strong men and weak planes..thats how i did mine.. On Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:50 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: Gentlemen, and Oscar, I am going to add a battery to run my radio/intercom as well as my oil pressure and temp gauges. Any thoughts? I want light, cheap and very effective. If it has much weight at all, I plan on putting it as far forward as possible. Any input on forward or behind the firewall. What battery do you suggest? -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gloriabots <gloriabots(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: battery
Date: Sep 21, 2014
Steve A lightweight battery I have found very effective comes from Ballistic Batteries in US. It's a LiFePO4 and I went for 4 Cell version weighing in at 0.9 of a pound and a 2.5 Amp Hour discharge rate. http://www.ballisticparts.com/product_info.php?cPath=141&products_id=424 Look at this one too: http://www.hobbyking.co.uk/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=58820 (I think there is a US Store? Several other larger capacity batteries in Ballistic range and weight always much less than Lead Acid. You can charge with a conventional Charger so don't be put off by accessory list. CAUTION! NEVER LET BATTERY DISCHARGE TO FLAT! The Cells become unstable and don't charge so 13 Volts becomes 10V! Please do not inquire about who left Radio on! Regards Gerry p.s. Mine drives an XCOM 760 Panel Mount and an iPhone for navigation. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: battery
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Sep 20, 2014
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Subject: Re: Lift struts
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Sep 20, 2014
Here are some data points: The Carlson "large" struts have a yield strength just a bit more than 11,000 pounds. Using an 8 inch circumference and.035 wall thickness 1018 cold drawn steel for Cub struts gives about 15,000 as a yield strength. Hot rolled 1018 gives 9,000 pounds. Notes: I believe that there are 2 sizes of struts on the Cubs with the front being larger. They also taper a bit at the lower fuselage attachment point so that, as installed by Piper, they will have a little less strength than a mid-point cross-section. I'm guessing on the 8 inch circumference but it's pretty close. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430862#430862 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lift struts
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Sep 21, 2014
I actually just got mine Friday. 4130 ones as close as you can get to the sizes on the plans these days. You might check AED Motorsport in Indianapolis Indiana. That is who I deal with all the time. They have a lot better quality than Spruce and they even said they have been straightening some pieces for Spruce. All there tubing is USA or from Germany. Nothing from China which is what you get most of the time from other suppliers. The Germany tubing is even better. It welds really nice and better than any other tubing. They are very knowledgable and can even give you certification papers if you need then. They make the streamline there, and will make it and ship it immediately. The cabane pieces were $284.20 ( I went with .049 but they can make in .035) and wing struts were $913.92. ( .049)The drops from the wing struts ( left over 1 3/4 tube they used are sent to you )were $95.28. It's cheaper for you to just buy and keep. You can call and ask for Dave Gordon 317-334-0569 Have dealt with Carlson and also good to deal with and good quality but have never used any on a Piet. These are just some of my opinions. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430871#430871 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new engine
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 21, 2014
Ray; not everyone can sport the Continental faceplate on their prop... a good percentage of these engines have the tapered shaft hub rather than the flanged shaft. The nose of the tapered shaft protrudes out the front and while you could bore a hole in the Continental faceplate to accommodate the nose of the shaft, the effect would be lost because most of the artwork would be gone too. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430877#430877 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: battery
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 21, 2014
Steve; do some comparing of battery capacities after you've tabulated the power draws of everything you plan to power off the battery. Note that radios have different power draws when transmitting as when receiving, so you'll need to guess at the percentage of use in each mode. Once you have the anticipated power draw, look at battery amp-hours to compare capacities. My own preference runs to the batteries that are commonly used in personal computer UPSs or emergency exit light batteries. They can be found in 14V, which is the voltage that we need, and can be readily found on eBay or other sources, very inexpensively. Those batteries are gelled cell so they are not full of liquid and aren't fussy about mounting position. Pretty compact, too. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430878#430878 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: new engine
Date: Sep 21, 2014
Oscar, Bummer! I have the tapered shaft but have never even tried to install the prop. Have the same engine on the Aeronca, but it has a metal prop and a spinner...never had the spinner off! Does the tapered shaft even require a crush plate? Sure glad you are back so you can keep us newbies on the straight and narrow! Guess I can't be just like you, my hero. Just upgraded to the new iOS 8 and it sure does a lot of things differently. It even tries to anticipate what I will say next! I sure better be careful; I henceforth absolve myself of any responsibility for what I say! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:19 AM, taildrags wrote: > > > Ray; not everyone can sport the Continental faceplate on their prop... a good percentage of these engines have the tapered shaft hub rather than the flanged shaft. The nose of the tapered shaft protrudes out the front and while you could bore a hole in the Continental faceplate to accommodate the nose of the shaft, the effect would be lost because most of the artwork would be gone too. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430877#430877 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 21, 2014
Actually, there are a couple of other differences. The page 30 drawing has three spaces at 1 1/2", whereas the improved plans have one space at 1 1/8" and two spaces at 1 1/2". Also, the final space is 1 1/4" on the page 30 drawing, and 1 3/4" on the improved plans. The "improved" drawing dimensions actually add up to 60 1/8". And, not to nit-pick, but the page 5 rib was drawn in 1934. 86 years later would be the year 2020. we're not there yet. I got my full size rib drawing from Don Pietenpol 10 years ago. I lofted my rib, using the dimensions on page 5, and it matches the full size drawing pretty well. There are none of the big differences you are experiencing, and there shouldn't be big differences between the two. However, I think the 1 1/2" vertical dimension at the leading edge is incorrect. I took a photo of the plans, and used a CAD program to scale the dimension. The 1 1/2" vertical dimension scales to about 1.15". I superimposed a line at 1.5", and you can see that it sits too high. The actual leading edge should fall somewhere around 1 1/4" from the reference line. (see attachment) Bill C. John wrote: > Other than the rear brace, dimensions on page 30 match drawing page 5. > > All I know from the phone call is the full size rib came out 86 years after the page 5 rib, and either is acceptable (they're different). When you plot and compare to the full size, you'll see the same thing I saw. > > Generally speaking, page 5 rib forward nine inches is a little thicker, but then slightly narrower until the trailing edge. > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430893#430893 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_107.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Drawing the rib
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 21, 2014
Thanks for that Bill. I printed out your file. You're absolutely correct on the year 2020, but I just wrote down what he told me. I'm building based on my measurements from page 5. I know those are correct. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430896#430896 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair College 31
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 21, 2014
Wheelharp, Knew you made that mistake, but this Piet forum does not 'HARP' on people for these small imperefections..(like my typing) We are glad you are in the forum. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430898#430898 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new engine
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 21, 2014
Ray; Yes, the tapered shaft hub will use a crush plate on the front of the prop. Here's what the one on my A65 looked like: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CEA_Piet04.jpg -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430900#430900 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: new engine
Date: Sep 21, 2014
Thanks Oscar! Guess I did not get the crush plate with the setup. I set the prop on the shaft this afternoon and can see where the crush plate had been. Guess I will make one. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 21, 2014, at 8:14 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > Ray; > > Yes, the tapered shaft hub will use a crush plate on the front of the prop. Here's what the one on my A65 looked like: > > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CEA_Piet04.jpg > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430900#430900 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: new engine
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 21, 2014
Ray; the crush plate on my A65 was made of steel and it appeared to be a sub-part of the hub assembly. The objective is to have all of the bolts apply force evenly to the face of the wooden prop so the wood doesn't crush in the immediate area of the bolt head, so if you make a new one out of aluminum (or steel), don't make it too thin or it will flex when you torque the bolts down. In fact, the best thing to do is to see if you can find another airplane with a tapered shaft and crush plate on it, then use that as a go-by. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430902#430902 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: new engine
Date: Sep 22, 2014
Thanks, Oscar. If I cannot find one, I will have one made out of steel. I will contact the fellow who overhauled the engine and see if he might have mine. He has many A-65s lying around. Maybe he has one I can purchase. I am sure I had it at one time. Thanks, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:52 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > Ray; the crush plate on my A65 was made of steel and it appeared to be a sub-part of the hub assembly. The objective is to have all of the bolts apply force evenly to the face of the wooden prop so the wood doesn't crush in the immediate area of the bolt head, so if you make a new one out of aluminum (or steel), don't make it too thin or it will flex when you torque the bolts down. In fact, the best thing to do is to see if you can find another airplane with a tapered shaft and crush plate on it, then use that as a go-by. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430902#430902 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Alternative Engine Round-Up
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 22, 2014
>From Pat Panzera, editor of Contact! Magazine: ==================================== Friends, This Saturday's the big day. We've moved our annual event to Southern California, to a beautiful non-towered airport that's easy to get to (French Valley - near Temecula). The paved runway is wide and long for the fast-glass, and the airport is low-and-slow friendly- being the home airport of EAA Chapter 1279, known for building a beautiful, Corvair-powered Pietenpol. The website has been updated with the most current information, and a plea for you to RSVP if you are planning to attend the casual dinner on Saturday night: http://www.contactmagazine.com/roundup.html That's probably the most important reason for bothering you with yet another announcement, we really need to get a good headcount for the dinner by today- so if you are planning to attend, please let me know asap! Click the RSVP link on the webpage or fire off an email directly to me editor(at)contactmagazine.com and let me know how many in your party. Thanks! And I humbly apologize if you get this message more than once. It just means that you and I are on multiple email lists together. Oh yeah! PLEASE forward this message to anyone you think might be interested in, especially email groups that are about homebuilt aircraft. Pat Panzera editor(at)contactmagazine.com -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430923#430923 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lift struts
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 22, 2014
Bill,=0A=0A=0AI used the Carlson "small" lift struts. So far s o good. Larry Williams (Top Curmudgeon) also used these. If he was still on this list, you could give him the business for deviating from plans! I personally did no strength calc ulations on these. =0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Bill R <brcapper@gma il.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Sat, Sep 20, 2014 8:54 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Lift struts=0A=0A=0A >=0A=0AI am trying to determine what material to use for my lift struts and cabanes.=0AIn the running are 4130 streamline tubing from Aircraft Spruce, aluminum =0Astreamline from Carlso n and 4130 tubing streamlined the old fashion way.=0AIt looks like the 4130 streamline tubing from Aircraft Spruce would cos t well =0Anorth of $1500. Their catalog did not list any l oad bearing capabilities for the =0Avarious sizes of tubing.=0AT he Carlson website does list load bearing capabilities,but in terms I am not =0Afamiliar with. The cost savings of aluminu m over the steel streamline tubing is =0Anot insignificant.=0ATh e old fashion way of streamline steel tubing is not to app ealing to me, but I =0Amight be talked into it.=0AThe real questions for me have to do with understanding the loads lik ely to be =0Aimposed on the lift struts of an Aircamper an d whether or not the aluminum strut =0Amaterial from Carlson is up to the task. I know there is at least one Aircampe r =0Aflying with the aluminum struts, Dan Helspers'. Dan and his beautiful plane were =0Afeatured in the summer issue of Contact magazine. As the article was not of an =0Aengineering nature there was no mention of any research Dan may have d one before =0Adeciding to use the aluminum struts.Not being on e to to risk my neck or anyone =0Aelse's, I would prefer to have some data before I follow someone else's example. =0A Any thoughts would be appreciated, but please keep in mind y ou will be replying =0Ato a simpleton,not an engineer.=0A=0A=0A=0A =0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtop =========================== =========================== =========================== - List Contribution Web Site -=0A_ -Matt =========================== ==========0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lift struts
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 22, 2014
Dan; I realize that your photos are from when you were in the fit-up stage, but the lift strut 2 image illustrates a very good example of some of the places where a built-to-plans Piet makes it difficult to install hardware the way all of the "best practices" books (Bingelis included, Mikee!) say to do it... bolt heads up or forward. Where the lift strut lower fork attaches to that tab, if you use the proper length AN bolt you can't get it into the fitting... the fuselage side fabric is just too close and you have to install the bolt with the head down or else try a shorter bolt with a shallow "shear nut" or castellated nut and see if you get enough grip length. This is only one of several places where the same condition can occur. There is also a place where the top end of the strut X-brace cable requires a clevis pin to secure it to the fitting, but the end of the strut is too close to the attach point for the cable attach fitting and the pin has to go in with its head down. On the first annual that my plane had (the A&P was not very familiar with experimentals), he flagged those and a number of other spots where the "head up or forward" rule was not followed. I wanted to have him demonstrate how he would install that hardware, but refrained since he didn't ground the airplane because of those. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430955#430955 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: Lift struts
Date: Sep 23, 2014
Simple solution - make the fitting a little bit longer so there is room to get the bolt in from the top. In general, all of the fittings could stand to be a bit longer to allow easy access for the hardware. Mike Cuy pointed this out on his video many years ago. This is a common design mistake. I remember many years ago when I was working on my first job out of college. My job was to design a piece that was to be removable from an airplane, attached by three bolts. I proudly showed my drawings to the chief engineer who looked at it and said "The mechanics are going to hate you. You left them enough room to get one click of a ratchet on each throw. It'll take them 15 minutes of wiggling a ratchet to get that pylon off. Go back and redesign it so they can get at least a 90 degree throw on their wrench." It is VERY important to make sure the bolts go in with head up or forward. That way, if a cotter pin breaks (or is forgotten) and the nut vibrates loose, the bolt will be held in place by gravity, hopefully long enough that someone will notice it and fix it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lift struts Dan; I realize that your photos are from when you were in the fit-up stage, but the lift strut 2 image illustrates a very good example of some of the places where a built-to-plans Piet makes it difficult to install hardware the way all of the "best practices" books (Bingelis included, Mikee!) say to do it... bolt heads up or forward. Where the lift strut lower fork attaches to that tab, if you use the proper length AN bolt you can't get it into the fitting... the fuselage side fabric is just too close and you have to install the bolt with the head down or else try a shorter bolt with a shallow "shear nut" or castellated nut and see if you get enough grip length. This is only one of several places where the same condition can occur. There is also a place where the top end of the strut X-brace cable requires a clevis pin to secure it to the fitting, but the end of the strut is too close to the attach point for the cable attach fitting and the pin has to go in with its head down. On the first annual that my plane had (the A&P was not very familiar with experimentals), he flagged those and a number of other spots where the "head up or forward" rule was not followed. I wanted to have him demonstrate how he would install that hardware, but refrained since he didn't ground the airplane because of those. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430955#430955 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Short video during cross country flight.
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2014
Hope this works. http://youtu.be/Iuig0v36mg0 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430970#430970 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair bellhousing question
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2014
I don't know how to take this out. There appears to be some sort of lock ring. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430982#430982 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bellhousing1_196.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/bellhousing2_208.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Short video during cross country flight.
Date: Sep 23, 2014
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Subject: Re: Corvair bellhousing question
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2014
John, This question would be better suited for the corvaircraft email list Please read this web page. It has instructions for joining the email list. http://www.corvaircraft.org/ You can also search the entire historical database of the list here http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-cvr//index.jsp -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430990#430990 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2014
From: George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Lift struts
Amen, How many times did I struggle to remove and replace some part. G ________________________________ From: Jack Phillips <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:18 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lift struts Simple solution - make the fitting a little bit longer so there is room to get the bolt in from the top. In general, all of the fittings could stand to be a bit longer to allow easy access for the hardware. Mike Cuy pointed this out on his video many years ago. This is a common design mistake. I remember many years ago when I was working on my first job out of college. My job was to design a piece that was to be removable from an airplane, attached by three bolts. I proudly showed my drawings to the chief engineer who looked at it and said "The mechanics are going to hate you. You left them enough room to get one click of a ratchet on each throw. It'll take them 15 minutes of wiggling a ratchet to get that pylon off. Go back and redesign it so they can get at least a 90 degree throw on their wrench." It is VERY important to make sure the bolts go in with head up or forward. That way, if a cotter pin breaks (or is forgotten) and the nut vibrates loose, the bolt will be held in place by gravity, hopefully long enough that someone will notice it and fix it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lift struts Dan; I realize that your photos are from when you were in the fit-up stage, but the lift strut 2 image illustrates a very good example of some of the places where a built-to-plans Piet makes it difficult to install hardware the way all of the "best practices" books (Bingelis included, Mikee!) say to do it... bolt heads up or forward. Where the lift strut lower fork attaches to that tab, if you use the proper length AN bolt you can't get it into the fitting... the fuselage side fabric is just too close and you have to install the bolt with the head down or else try a shorter bolt with a shallow "shear nut" or castellated nut and see if you get enough grip length. This is only one of several places where the same condition can occur. There is also a place where the top end of the strut X-brace cable requires a clevis pin to secure it to the fitting, but the end of the strut is too close to the attach point for the cable attach fitting and the pin has to go in with its head down. On the first annual that my plane had (the A&P was not very familiar with experimentals), he flagged those and a number of other spots where the "head up or forward" rule was not followed. I wanted to have him demonstrate how he would install that hardware, but refrained since he didn't ground the airplane because of those. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430955#430955 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Short video during cross country flight.
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2014
That was the 18th just south of Rantoul. Was a little alarming at first but you could see directly down through it so I classified it as a thin broken layer which is not a ceiling. From a low angle, just really cool looking. Also, as it got more and more dense, you could see the edge where it just suddenly went away. All told, wasn't more than seven or eight miles. Just an isolated thin scattered to broken layer at three or four hundred feet. Probably the remnants of some heavy ground fog from a little earlier in the morning. We were there around nine thirty I imagine. Eas a brisk fifty degrees! Rantoul was a nice overnight. Quick after hours service, hangar at thirty bucks and a courtesy car. If it looked like it was gonna be bad, had just enough sunlight to head on down to Frasca. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430994#430994 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Short video during cross country flight.
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 23, 2014
VFR over-the-top. It's legal. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430996#430996 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Southwest Ohio Regional Fly-in
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com>
Date: Sep 24, 2014
The Cincinnati EAA Chapter 174 will be holding their 7th annual Southwest Ohio Regional Fly-in (SWORFI) on Sunday, October 5th. It is held on a nice private grass strip on the east side of Cincinnati. A bunch of us camp out overnight on Saturday which has become the highlight of the event. Shad has made the trip before in his Corvair powered Piet. Douwe, this is practically in your backyard. Skip, now that you are relocating to the Cincy/Dayton metroplex, come on out. Drive or fly, we don't care! Maybe you can drag Mr. Dewenter along with you. You are almost neighbors now, I think. Link to a flyer I made for the event: http://www.eaa174.org/SWORFI%202014%20Flyer.pdf -------- David Gallagher Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 250+ hours now Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431025#431025 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jury Strut Kit Pictures
From: John Fastnaught <fastnaught(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 24, 2014
Mike, Now that you have installed the Carlson jury strut kit would you post your e xperience with it? I'm there and looking for a recommendation. Jack Sent from my iPad > On Aug 15, 2014, at 8:23 AM, Michael Perez wrot e: > > Crew, I have been asked about the Jury Strut Kit from Carlson Aircraft and decided to post some pictures of it. It seems to be a very nice kit and the instructions are easy to read. Most all parts are cut to size and bagged/la beled clearly. > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Jury Strut Fabrication/Installation > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Southwest Ohio Regional Fly-in
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 24, 2014
Dave, Timing is EVERYTHING. I had it on my schedule for this year, but guess what. I'm attending the EAA leadership conference Oct 3-5. This will be my first pilgrimage to Oshkosh. I promise to be there next year. Hope the WX is fantastic, Ohio fly-ins deserve a good weekend for a change! -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431039#431039 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Piper J5 lift struts
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 24, 2014
Just throwing this out there: There's a set of Piper Cub (J5) lift struts in good shape in long island. A colleague of mine just upgraded to the new sealed ones, even though older ones are in good shape. Today he said; "Excellent condition, Pass all AD test, Make offer". If anyone's interested, PM me for his contact Intel.. Larry -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431052#431052 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 24, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Jury Strut Kit Pictures
Jack, I believe I had posted an update, maybe on a different thread that I did not use the Carlson Kit and in fact sold the kit to anotehr builder. I used a few ideas from the kit as well as my own ideas to attach the jurys. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piper J5 lift struts
From: Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Sep 24, 2014
For reference, I bought a set of Cub struts with forks at OSH for $300 Jack Textor Sent from my iPad > On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:18 PM, "TriScout" wrote: > > > Just throwing this out there: There's a set of Piper Cub (J5) lift struts in good shape in long island. A colleague of mine just upgraded to the new sealed ones, even though older ones are in good shape. Today he said; "Excellent condition, Pass all AD test, Make offer". If anyone's interested, PM me for his contact Intel.. > > Larry > > -------- > KLNC > A65-8 > N2308C > AN Hardware > Airframe 724TT > W72CK-42 Sensenich > Standard Factory GN-1 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431052#431052 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jury Strut Kit Pictures
From: John Fastnaught <fastnaught(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 24, 2014
Mike, Okay thanks for the info. Didn't see the other post. However, could you fill me in on what you did maybe with some pictures. Also, why did you move from the Carlson idea? Thanks, Jack Sent from my iPad > On Sep 24, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Michael Perez wrot e: > > Jack, I believe I had posted an update, maybe on a different thread that I did not use the Carlson Kit and in fact sold the kit to anotehr builder. I u sed a few ideas from the kit as well as my own ideas to attach the jurys. > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014 > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 25, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Jury Strut Kit Pictures
The Carlson kit uses two "L" brackets bolted through the strut with an insert inside the strut itself. These "L" brackets are bent in such a way that when the strut is installed on the plane, the bracket tab will be vertical to attach to the jurys. There is also some notching of the streamline jury struts required to get them to fit one another. Perhaps if you call Carlson, they could email you a PDF of sorts of the manual so you will see how it all goes together. If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Congratulations to Mark Chouinard
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 25, 2014
The link below discusses Mark's first run of his Corvair Engine at Corvair College in Mexico MO- http://flycorvair.net/2014/09/25/corvair-college-30-running-engines/ Congratulations, Mark. That is a huge milestone! We hope to see pictures of your Pietenpol flying soon. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431081#431081 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Cinci fly-in
Date: Sep 25, 2014
Dang! The timing of all these great events is always off this year for me!! I'm leaving that morning to drive to Colorado or I'd be there in a heart beat!! Wish there were more early fall events since the WX is so nice right now. Next year. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cinci fly-in
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Sep 25, 2014
There's a flyin this Saturday at Mad River Airport by Dayton ( i54 ) big grass strip. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431093#431093 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: On her feet!
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 25, 2014
A momentous day for my Piet!! With the help of some great friends and skill ed builders my project rolled out on to the driveway for the first time. It s eems like she's been upside down on sawhorses for months - oh wait, it has b een months... But the wait was worth it. Scott Knowlton Burlington Ontario Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: On her feet!
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 25, 2014
Way to go! That's a lot of work you've accomplished on the underside. Looks great. I'm jealous. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431098#431098 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: On her feet!
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 25, 2014
Fantastic! I know it does feel good to get the fuselage off the table! Big step now behind you. Thanks for sharing your positive steps forward -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431103#431103 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: On her feet!
Date: Sep 25, 2014
Your plane looks great upright on the Jenny landing gear & wire wheels! It is now officially an airplane! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: The T-38, F-104 and the Pietenpol-- off topic
Date: Sep 25, 2014
When I was at the USAF Museum in Dayton I stretched my arms out on each win g of the T-38 Talon and couldn't believe how short the wings were so just looked up the wingspan and a Pietenpol wing is FOUR feet longer than a T-38. (29' vs 25' for the Talon) The Pietenpol wing is 9 feet longer than the F-104's wingspan! Okay, bac k to your normally scheduled programming. Mike C. [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFD8F2.085EF5C0] [http://jetpilotoverseas.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/8667199208_11f6ee271e_ o99.jpg] ________________________________________________________________________________
From: larharris2 Harris <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Subject: The T-38, F-104 and the Pietenpol-- off topic
Date: Sep 25, 2014
Nice photos. I've got about 3000 hours in the T-38 - capable of supersonic. Maybe 100 times faster than the Piet. This would be Tim Taylor's idea of ' more power.' A delight to fly in its realm. I'm going to enjoy my Piet beca use of its own advantages. Lorenzo =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair College 31
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 25, 2014
I can bring the case halves and bolts and crank; no problem. Currently taking a second one apart and I'll bring those also. Would it be worth bringing any other parts? Not enough room for two engines, so just wondering if I should bother bringing the heads, cylinders, etc. Is there anything for the women to do? Do attendees buy tickets (register) for their wives? John bdewenter wrote: > Pocono John > > Bring your case halves (with bolts) and crank for inspection. You will be able to see engines in about every stage of completion, learn how to correctly assemble, set timing, adjust lifters, see small problems (you could face) solved in front of your eyes, meet nice people, LEARN, and volunteer your "tear down" experience, help with the test stand. > > Come to the event if you can make it. > > Bob -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431110#431110 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: On her feet!
Date: Sep 25, 2014
Excellent, Scott! Keep the pictures coming... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Knowlton Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: On her feet! A momentous day for my Piet!! With the help of some great friends and skilled builders my project rolled out on to the driveway for the first time. It seems like she's been upside down on sawhorses for months - oh wait, it has been months... But the wait was worth it. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: The Jeep Pietenpol engine update
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 25, 2014
Hello friends, I have recently tested a jeep 134 engine with an old 72x46 senisenich propeller , and was disappointed with the results. I was only able to squeeze 1800 rpm's from the motor. After a lot of encouragement from here and my facebook friends to not give up, I made up a new propeller from dimensions suggested to me by William Wynne. He graciously answered my call to figure his best estimate as to a propeller that would work on this particular engine.. The resulting propeller is a 64x32 with the hefty style of a Hamilton Standard shape that I copied because I like that look. After testing the prop today I was seeing nearly 2400 static rpm and a world of air moving. It has given me enough encouragement to continue with my project to use the Jeep. In my opinion this engine if matched to the correct propeller and carburetor would be a good candidate for the Pietenpol aircamper . If this attachment doesn't work and you would like to see the engine run with the new propeller, Go to youtube and type Kenny Crider you will see the video jeep engine new prop test run. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431112#431112 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: On her feet!
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Sep 25, 2014
Great work... I only recently did the same thing and it was great to climb In the pit and see how it feels in the three point attitude.. Keep up the great work. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431113#431113 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair College 31
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Sep 26, 2014
John, once again this is better suited for corvaircraft list. Look for an email from me answering your questions. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431129#431129 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The Jeep Pietenpol engine update
From: airlion2(at)gmail.com
Date: Sep 26, 2014
Sent from my iPad > On Sep 25, 2014, at 9:04 PM, "aviken" wrote: > > > Hello friends, I have recently tested a jeep 134 engine with an old 72x46 senisenich propeller , and was disappointed with the results. I was only able to squeeze 1800 rpm's from the motor. After a lot of encouragement from here and my facebook friends to not give up, I made up a new propeller from dimensions suggested to me by William Wynne. He graciously answered my call to figure his best estimate as to a propeller that would work on this particular engine.. > The resulting propeller is a 64x32 with the hefty style of a Hamilton Standard shape that I copied because I like that look. After testing the prop today I was seeing nearly 2400 static rpm and a world of air moving. It has given me enough encouragement to continue with my project to use the Jeep. In my opinion this engine if matched to the correct propeller and carburetor would be a good candidate for the Pietenpol aircamper . If this attachment doesn't work and you would like to see the engine run with the new propeller, Go to youtube and type Kenny Crider you will see the video jeep engine new prop test run. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431112#431112 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 26, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: On her feet!
Progress, progress! Keep it all moving in the right direction! If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 26, 2014
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The Jeep Pietenpol engine update
Experimental aviation at its finest! If God is your co-pilot, switch seats Mike Perez Karetaker Aero Construction complete! (8/2014) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: On her feet!
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 26, 2014
Nice, real nice...!!!! Keep rollin'........................ -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431145#431145 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 26, 2014
Subject: Re: The Jeep Pietenpol engine update
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
heck Kenny almost smiled in that video. He is dressed up to. Sounded good and strong. Yahoo. I love the idea of Jeeps and Pietenpols. Blue Skies, Steve D On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Experimental aviation at its finest! > > If God is your co-pilot, switch seats > Mike Perez > Karetaker Aero > Construction complete! (8/2014) > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Fwd: 4130 streamline
Date: Sep 26, 2014
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Subject: Re: The Jeep Pietenpol engine update
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 26, 2014
Jeep gauges look good in Piet's too... -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431174#431174 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_704.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: On her feet!
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 28, 2014
Scott; >From the looks of the fittings on the front, you're going with a Continental engine mount? Regardless of your powerplant choice, one thing you can do that is very easy to do at this stage of the build is to add a bottom access in the front bay, ala Kevin Purtee. Kevin actually has Plexiglas or lexan over the access opening so the passenger can see out between his feet, but even if you don't do that, having access to the front of the cockpit from underneath is very useful, especially if you plan on having a tank in the nose. There will be a fuel fitting and maybe a shutoff valve there, and believe me- crawling into the front cockpit upside-down to work under there is not joyful. Add the need for a light, tools, and small parts- and it's a perfect recipe for frustration and soreness. Then if you throw in the need for reading glasses to see up close... well, needless to say, I've exercised my vocabulary as well as my body working up under there more times than I would have liked. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431231#431231 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The Jeep Pietenpol engine update
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 28, 2014
Holy smokes, TriScout-! You've got twin ack-acks on your airplane! There's not an enemy supply train west of the Mississippi that's going to be safe with you out on patrol! ;o) Interesting set of X-brace tubes in your field of view, as well as a vertical rod right in front of the windscreen. Since neither the upper nor the lower ends of those are visible in the photo, would you care to elaborate on what those are? -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431232#431232 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The Jeep Pietenpol engine update
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 28, 2014
To stay on subject, after viewing the test run of Kenny's engine with the optimized prop, I have three observations: 1. The engine seems like it has limbered up considerably since the first starts and runs. It looked very stiff in the beginning, but now obviously flips over much more readily. 2. The engine sounds very strong and steady at speed! 3. That beefy, broad-bladed prop is very attractive. The light lamination on the leading edge against the darker laminations behind it is a pleasing combination. PS, I think Kenny just celebrated a birthday last week. Whatever it was, Kenny, it doesn't matter... working on engines and airplanes turns the clock backwards and keeps you young! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431233#431233 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 29, 2014
Subject: Re: On her feet!
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
On my bird, John Kuhfahl put a small square opening on the right side. It is about 4 by 8 inches, directly to the right of the bottom of the fuel tank fitting on the bottom of the tank. It has been as handy as a pocket on a shirt. Not saying it is as good as a belly panel, but it sure has made life easier. Blue Skies, Steve D. On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:21 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Scott; > > >From the looks of the fittings on the front, you're going with a > Continental engine mount? Regardless of your powerplant choice, one thing > you can do that is very easy to do at this stage of the build is to add a > bottom access in the front bay, ala Kevin Purtee. Kevin actually has > Plexiglas or lexan over the access opening so the passenger can see out > between his feet, but even if you don't do that, having access to the front > of the cockpit from underneath is very useful, especially if you plan on > having a tank in the nose. There will be a fuel fitting and maybe a > shutoff valve there, and believe me- crawling into the front cockpit > upside-down to work under there is not joyful. Add the need for a light, > tools, and small parts- and it's a perfect recipe for frustration and > soreness. Then if you throw in the need for reading glasses to see up > close... well, needless to say, I've exercised my vocabulary as well as my > body working up under there more times than I would hav! > e liked. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431231#431231 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: On her feet!
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Sep 29, 2014
taildrags wrote: > ...add a bottom access in the front bay, ala Kevin Purtee. Kevin actually has Plexiglas or lexan over the access opening so the passenger can see out between his feet, but even if you don't do that, having access to the front of the cockpit from underneath is very useful, especially if you plan on having a tank in the nose... Could such an access panel be retrofitted? When we rebuilt the Piet's fuselage, it sure seemed like that flooring is structural. Could some of you post photos of your access panel cut-outs? Maybe I am misunderstanding the location and/or size. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431262#431262 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: really nice photo
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Sep 29, 2014
Just stumbled onto this shot of Gene Rambo's beautiful Piet. http://curtissjennyrestoration.blogspot.ca/2013/07/update.html Scroll down the page about one third. That's real purdy. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431263#431263 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: really nice photo
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 29, 2014
Yes, that really is Purdy! Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but there sure are a lot of beholders who think that an Air Camper is beautiful (and has been for 85+ years now). Another black and yellow Piet! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431264#431264 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: On her feet!
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 29, 2014
Jeff; Westcoastpiet to the rescue! You can kinda see it here: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Kevin%20Purtee/images/IMG_0837.jpg And here: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Kevin%20Purtee/images/IMG_0661.jpg But mostly here: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Kevin%20Purtee/images/IMG_0466.jpg -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431265#431265 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: On her feet!
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2014
Thanks Oscar! A picture is worth a thousand words. That access door makes a lot of sense. And thank you to everyone else for your well wishes and encouragement. Wheeling the fuselage out onto our driveway has enabled me to carry out a long over due shop clean-out. Nothing like an organized shop to get one inspired to get back at it! Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 30, 2014, at 12:28 AM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > Jeff; Westcoastpiet to the rescue! You can kinda see it here: > > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Kevin%20Purtee/images/IMG_0837.jpg > > And here: > > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Kevin%20Purtee/images/IMG_0661.jpg > > But mostly here: > > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Kevin%20Purtee/images/IMG_0466.jpg > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431265#431265 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: really nice photo
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 30, 2014
Gorgeous. Very inspiring. Hope the A stays on it.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message -----=0AFrom: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>=0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 10:47 pm=0A Subject: Pietenpol-List: really nice photo=0A=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" =0A=0AJust stumbled onto this shot of Gene Rambo's beautiful Piet.=0Ahttp:/ /curtissjennyrestoration.blogspot.ca/2013/07/update.html=0AScroll down the page about one third.=0A=0AThat's real purdy.=0A=0ABC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARe ad this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.ph =========================== =========================== =========================== -Matt Dra =========================== =========0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The Jeep Pietenpol engine update
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2014
Oh!...you noticed the guns. Yes taildrags, that's my winter (warbird configuration). I guess that's my inner rhinebeck wishfulness. I have three configurations: Pax bird, Freighter(forward stick removed), and warbird. There are 4 quick-release pins to take guns off, and I can keep the cover on front pit when it's cold. The guns were just to get a few chuckles from the older fellas at the fly in cafs after they used to needle me; "neat aeroplane..where are the guns". So I tossed my 75% Home Depot maxim's on there... The vertical strut you see is actually a small stiffener brace that the builder of this machine added to keep the windscreen plexiglass from warping as speed increases. I may change those out to thicker plexiglass. I'll attempt a cropped close up photo so you can see.. -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431282#431282 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The Jeep Pietenpol engine update
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2014
...attachment.. -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431283#431283 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_212.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 30, 2014
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: fly in the rokies harrison ford
hello friens around piet family just im mised alot good thinks aroung like to know if some one cand cher whit us again harrison ford fly in the rokies be nice im miseed that part tanks all you for by frienly and help other to keeping flying jorge from hanford -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 9/29/14, taildrags wrote: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: really nice photo To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2014, 9:15 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags" Yes, that really is Purdy! Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but there sure are a lot of beholders who think that an Air Camper is beautiful (and has been for 85+ years now). Another black and yellow Piet! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431264#431264 Email Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 30, 2014
From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: harrison ford fly in the rokies
jope all enjoit http;//vimeo.com/41425441 -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 9/29/14, taildrags wrote: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: really nice photo To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Date: Monday, September 29, 2014, 9:15 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags" Yes, that really is Purdy! Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but there sure are a lot of beholders who think that an Air Camper is beautiful (and has been for 85+ years now). Another black and yellow Piet! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431264#431264 Email Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Alternative Engine Round-Up
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 01, 2014
Oscar, I was going to attend the event and didn't because of 45 MPH winds in the high desert where I live. Perhaps next year. What do I get for not going flying? Ended up spending a bunch of money buying the wife a new car. Guys, it's cheaper to go flying then to stay home. Save your money and go flying, :) -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431347#431347 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Jiggin and welding LG and wing attach fittings
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2014
I promise I searched the archives before posting this question... Those that built the straight axle LG, I am curious how you went about welding up the fittings. I assume the steps would be: 1. make a jig from of some 1 x 1 square tube steel 2. Slide bolts through the outer LG fitting through 1x1 jig. 3. position "strut attachments" through outer LG fitting and clamp to bottom side of 1x1 from the side (open end of 1 x 1 jig). 4. install the inner lg fitting and bolt together with inner 5. weld outer and inner fittings where strut attach fitting protrude 6. repeat 3 more times Any pics of your jigging would be great. I Looked on west coast piets but did not see any. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431357#431357 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: straight axel landing gear fittings---sketches attached
Date: Oct 01, 2014
Bob---I hope this helps you out. I built jigs out of leftover longeron s pruce and plywood and built it up exactly like the plane. Of course the wood jigs are sacrificial. Hope this helps! Mike C. Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jiggin and welding LG and wing attach fittings
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2014
Bob, I wasn't as shop savvy as Mike when I built mine. I marked the pieces and clamped them together and then removed them from the fuselage. I then welded them on my bench. In order to hold the outer bracket at 90 degrees to the belly strap, I used a magnetic steel holder on the 90 degree end. You can get them at princess auto or your American McMaster Carr. The pieces fit back on my fuselage and the holes all lined up. But maybe I got lucky. Scott K. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "bdewenter" wrote: > > > I promise I searched the archives before posting this question... > > Those that built the straight axle LG, I am curious how you went about welding up the fittings. I assume the steps would be: > > 1. make a jig from of some 1 x 1 square tube steel > 2. Slide bolts through the outer LG fitting through 1x1 jig. > 3. position "strut attachments" through outer LG fitting and clamp to bottom side of 1x1 from the side (open end of 1 x 1 jig). > 4. install the inner lg fitting and bolt together with inner > 5. weld outer and inner fittings where strut attach fitting protrude > 6. repeat 3 more times > > Any pics of your jigging would be great. I Looked on west coast piets but did not see any. > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431357#431357 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: straight axel landing gear fittings---sketches attached
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 01, 2014
Mine are actually built to plans, but not welded and are completely adequate and appropriately vetted. Build the pieces, stack them and assemble. I'd recommend drilling a one eighth hole on the blind side of every hole in one part only, and in such a way that every part has at least one hole. Then install on the fuse temporarily with small wood screws to hold each part in place. Then using what ever hole that does not have to be used for the temp install, through drill in place. Then step drill to final size. Bolt in place, remove some small screw now not needed, lather rinse repeat. Every thing will line up perfectly. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431380#431380 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Jiggin and welding LG and wing attach fittings
Date: Oct 01, 2014
Bob I welded up a jig from angle iron that matched the bend in the side plates. Then clamped the fitting into the jig. You will need to grind/cut a window for the strut tab to go through. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_2236.JPG http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_2233.JPG http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_2234.JPG http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_2235.JPG Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bdewenter Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jiggin and welding LG and wing attach fittings --> I promise I searched the archives before posting this question... Those that built the straight axle LG, I am curious how you went about welding up the fittings. I assume the steps would be: 1. make a jig from of some 1 x 1 square tube steel 2. Slide bolts through the outer LG fitting through 1x1 jig. 3. position "strut attachments" through outer LG fitting and clamp to bottom side of 1x1 from the side (open end of 1 x 1 jig). 4. install the inner lg fitting and bolt together with inner 5. weld outer and inner fittings where strut attach fitting protrude 6. repeat 3 more times Any pics of your jigging would be great. I Looked on west coast piets but did not see any. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431357#431357 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Jiggin and welding LG and wing attach fittings
Date: Oct 01, 2014
Bob I should add my inner fitting is not welded on. It is like the sketch Mike sent out. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_2447.JPG Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CatDesigns Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 6:13 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jiggin and welding LG and wing attach fittings Bob I welded up a jig from angle iron that matched the bend in the side plates. Then clamped the fitting into the jig. You will need to grind/cut a window for the strut tab to go through. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_2236.JPG http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_2233.JPG http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_2234.JPG http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_2235.JPG Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bdewenter Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jiggin and welding LG and wing attach fittings --> I promise I searched the archives before posting this question... Those that built the straight axle LG, I am curious how you went about welding up the fittings. I assume the steps would be: 1. make a jig from of some 1 x 1 square tube steel 2. Slide bolts through the outer LG fitting through 1x1 jig. 3. position "strut attachments" through outer LG fitting and clamp to bottom side of 1x1 from the side (open end of 1 x 1 jig). 4. install the inner lg fitting and bolt together with inner 5. weld outer and inner fittings where strut attach fitting protrude 6. repeat 3 more times Any pics of your jigging would be great. I Looked on west coast piets but did not see any. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431357#431357 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair College #30
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Oct 02, 2014
Just wanted to drop by and share a few words about Corvair College #30 that was held recently in Mexico, Missouri. This was my third college, and it was well attended I think there were more than 50 builders on hand in various stages of work. Some with completed engines, others in the disassembly and inspection stage. William and Grace (FlyCorvair), Roy Szarafinski (Roys Garage) and Mark Petniunas (Falcon Machine) were all in attendance, which allowed everyone an opportunity to get one-on-one time with these very skilled and knowledgeable individuals. Lots of work was completed and several engines were run over the three day course, to include my own! A few words about these colleges as I stated, this was my third. I first attended CC#22 in Georgetown, Texas, which was hosted by our very own Kevin Purtee and Shelly Tumino. At that point in my project I did not have my engine available to work on, so I simply showed up with my camera, a note pad and luckily, my coat it suddenly got COLD in Texas. While I may not have turned wrenches on my engine that weekend, the information and confidence I left with were instrumental in motivating me to the next stage of construction. Equally as important were the new friends I met while I asked questions and mingled around the shop. These events are every bit about the camaraderie and building of friendships as they are about the technical aspects and learning about this excellent engine. My next college was CC#28 in San Marcos, Texas also hosted by Kevin and Shelly earlier this year. Another great program that helped many of us get a step closer to completion of our project. I was hoping to run my engine at that event, but weather hampered our plans. None the less, several of us made good progress. On to CC#30 in Mexico, MO I had been looking forward to this event ever since I was driving north in a blizzard from CC#28. I was eager to breathe life into my engine, but not so eager that we would be hasty in our efforts. Finally, the day had come and I was prepared. I could go into great detail about these events, but feel that this writing would get way too long winded. The key points Id like to express about the Corvair option, the colleges and about the people involved are simply this anyone can do this, and do it well. I am not a motor head Ive rebuilt a few small engines growing up, but nothing of this significance. In 2009, I remember talking to William as he instilled confidence in me that I could do this, and that if I got stuck he would be there to help, which he has been. His #1 concern being safety, he insisted that I do things a certain way following the methods that are clearly lined out and explained in his manual. While WW might rub some the wrong way, his approach is always one from the point of safety, and in preserving the reputation of experimental aviation for all concerned. While hes taken a couple of opportunities to make an example of me in front of others, it was always in an effort to teach myself and other builders what not to do, and why. For that, I appreciate his direct approach. The conversion techniques outlined in his manual are very detailed and easy to understand, and the product line has evolved into offerings that will allow any builder a very robust power option. The bottom line is if I can do it, you can too! There are steps along the way that require some attention to detail, but nothing more complicated than the rest of the project you are currently building or considering. Dont let the fear of the unknown hold you back if you are considering the Corvair as an option, get the manual and get started today! A few words about my engine run in a nutshell, it was flawless. Not only did it fire right up, but it ran very smoothly for ~1 hour on the test stand. Oil pressure and temps looked good, with no leaks! I drained the oil after the run and found it to be clean with no particulates. I couldnt be happier, and with the latest advancements, I have complete confidence that my engine will provide excellent performance. Here is a link to one of the test runs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxmRzHaXbsU -------- Mark Chouinard All framed up... working on rigging. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431401#431401 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jiggin and welding LG and wing attach fittings
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Date: Oct 02, 2014
Bob Even more comments Based on the procedure you outlined I am guessing your planning on making fittings as shown on the wood gear plans ( projecting up through the floor unlike Mikes 3-piece modification). In rereading your procedure I think your fitting will end up being too narrow. Remember where these fittings attach there is the 1x1 spruce lower longeron plus the fuselage side plywood and a plywood doublier on the inside. The width between the inside of the two fittings should be more like 1 inch. However I relooked at the wood gear plans and it does not seem to show welding the inner fitting to the strut attachment fitting. I only see welding between the outer fitting and the strut attachment. You may want to review the need to weld the inner fitting. Chris -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431402#431402 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Corvair College #30
Date: Oct 02, 2014
Congratulations on running your freshly overhauled engine Mark Chouinard!!! What a great feeling that is knowing you did the overhaul yourself and know every part of that engine. I'm in the MOH process on a spare A- 65 Continental I have in the hangar right now and it is a very satisfying e xperience. Mike C. Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair College #30
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Oct 02, 2014
Thanks, Mike... I actually did have quite a bit of help (machine work, etc.), but I did do a good deal of the assembly myself and have a much better understanding of the overall system than I did before I started. Very rewarding to see it come together and run well. -------- Mark Chouinard All framed up... working on rigging. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431407#431407 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Congratulations to Mark Chouinard
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: Oct 02, 2014
Thanks Terry. Life is a lot busier than it once was, so I don't get over here much to read up on things. Trying to keep busy in the hangar when I can. Haven't got as much done in the past year as I would have liked to, but definitely have made progress. The engine run was a big deal... now working on the fuel cell and rigging the controls. Anyhow, I'll keep plugging away... it's looking good so far! -------- Mark Chouinard All framed up... working on rigging. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431409#431409 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jiggin and welding LG and wing attach fittings
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Oct 02, 2014
Scott and Chris, Thank you very much! Bob -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431412#431412 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: straight axel landing gear fittings---sketches attached
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Oct 02, 2014
Mike and Dan Thanks very much. A lot of good ideas in both threads. Bob -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431413#431413 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair College #30
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Oct 02, 2014
Mark, Nice job, sounds really good congrats on the build and fire up. Looks like it's not gonna be long now before she's ready to breathe altitude. John Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 2, 2014, at 1:49 PM, "K5YAC" wrote: > > > Thanks, Mike... I actually did have quite a bit of help (machine work, etc.), but I did do a good deal of the assembly myself and have a much better understanding of the overall system than I did before I started. Very rewarding to see it come together and run well. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > All framed up... working on rigging. > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431407#431407 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Corvair College #31 in Barnwell SC is not far off
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 03, 2014
I just got through reading Mark Chouinard's synopsis of his Corvair College experiences and thought I would add that CC#31 is about 5 weeks away. If you are building a Corvair engine - go. If you are thinking about building a Corvair engine - go. If you are building or flying another engine type - go. Just go! You will learn a ton about engines in general, Corvairs in particular. You will meet no finer gentleman than P.F. Beck. And you will be around close to 100 people that love the idea of building their own airplane. Just a great group of people. It will be the most fun weekend you have had in a long time in aviation. Here is a link if anyone wants to read more about it- http://flycorvair.net/2014/10/03/corvair-college-31-close-to-last-call/ -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431436#431436 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 03, 2014
Subject: Re: straight axel landing gear fittings---sketches attached
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Michael, I am at the point in my building where I need to fabricate the landing gear/wing strut fitting shown in your post. I need some dimensions of the individual members of the fitting. Could I use 2- and 1-inch strip to fabricate them or are some of the pieces larger/smaller? This might sound basic, but I want it to be strong enough but as light as possible. I was thinking or using 0.090 thick steel. OK? Chuck On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > Bob---I hope this helps you out. I built jigs out of leftover longeron > spruce and plywood and built it up exactly > like the plane. Of course the wood jigs are sacrificial. > > Hope this helps! > > Mike C. > Ohio > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: straight axel landing gear fittings---sketches attached
Date: Oct 03, 2014
When I built my landing gear for NX40072 I had the supplement plan from Don P with the full scale drawings of each piece. I just made card patterns of each piece laid them on the specified thickness of sheet metal and cut the m out using whatever tools I had=2C shaped and drilled and they were good t o go. Date: Fri=2C 3 Oct 2014 09:18:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: straight axel landing gear fittings---sketches attached From: charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com Michael=2C I am at the point in my building where I need to fabricate the l anding gear/wing strut fitting shown in your post. I need some dimensions of the individual members of the fitting. Could I use 2- and 1-inch strip to fabricate them or are some of the pieces larger/smaller? This might sou nd basic=2C but I want it to be strong enough but as light as possible. I was thinking or using 0.090 thick steel. OK? Chuck On Wed=2C Oct 1=2C 2014 at 4:08 PM=2C Cuy=2C Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners=2C LLC] wrote: Bob---I hope this helps you out. I built jigs out of leftover longeron s pruce and plywood and built it up exactly =0A like the plane. Of course the wood jigs are sacrificial. =0A =0A Hope this helps! =0A =0A Mike C. =0A Ohio =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: straight axel landing gear fittings---sketches attached
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Date: Oct 03, 2014
Chuck Do you have a copy of the plans because all this information, and more, is on there. If not they are in the flying and glider magazine sold by EAA. Not sure if you can order full size plans or not. Mike's modification is the same thickness steel. All that changes is the inner fitting (tabs get bent down) and the additional piece on the inside/top. Just make this piece so it fits your plane. -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431445#431445 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: straight axel landing gear fittings---sketches
attached
Date: Oct 03, 2014
Chuck-as Chris said, the straight axel gear fittings are shown on the plans . I modified mine slightly as shown in my sketches but they are basically what is shown on the plans. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Riblett 612 Incidence?
From: "MikeHall" <Gmhall222(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 03, 2014
I have found various threads discussing this airfoil and I just have not found a concrete answer to the desired wing incidence while using the Riblett 612. First let me add that my project started from a set of GN1 plans but, I am going to use a different strut design similar to the baby ace. This kind of strut will not allow for ultra easy incidence adjustments to be made so I need to get this as close as possible in the wing and strut design from the start. I have the riblett 612 designed with 2deg incidence as of right now. Here is a layout of what I have so far as well as a Cad model of the steel fuselage that I am working on. I will also be building a 87% cub steel tail group as well. The plane will be powered by a BMW R1100S engine which is just shy of 100hp. Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431449#431449 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gm_1_02_aircamper_464.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/gm_1_aircamper_157.png http://forums.matronics.com//files/aircamper_riblett_airfoil_175.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The Jeep Pietenpol engine update
From: "MikeHall" <Gmhall222(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 03, 2014
I love that video I found of this Aircamper on youtube. Looked fun and good music as well. :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431450#431450 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Jack Textor's Pietenpol progress photos
Date: Oct 03, 2014
http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html I just spent lunch hour looking thru all of Jack Textor's build photos and after wiping the druel from my face I can, without doubt, say that Jack's workmanship is the finest homebuilding I believe I have ever se en. I can't wait to see this load of sticks and fabric fly into Brodhead someday. Mike C. Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 03, 2014
From: Charles Burkholder <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Re: Jack Textor's Pietenpol progress photos
110% agreed. His building pictures are the first I look at when I have a question. Great job Jack, hopefully someday we will meet. Charles On 10/3/2014 11:47 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > > http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html > > I just spent lunch hour looking thru all of Jack Textor's build photos > and after wiping the druel from my face I can, without doubt, say > > that Jack's workmanship is the finest homebuilding I believe I have > ever seen. I can't wait to see this load of sticks and fabric fly into > > Brodhead someday. > > Mike C. > > Ohio > > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > -- Charles Burkholder Visit my blog @ http://missionmechfund.blogspot.ca/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Piet vs. Riblett angle of incidence----from the archives
via Bill Church
Date: Oct 03, 2014
For those of you who missed this most excellent post (and calculation---tha nk you Bill!) from Bill Church on July 4th it might be of possible interest for those using the Riblett airfoil. Mike C. Bill writes: There was a discussion about wing incidence about three years ago, and at t hat time I created a couple of drawings to illustrate the relationship betw een the cabane strut lengths, and also between the chord line vs the bottom of the spars. They are attached again to this posting. For the "to the plans" Pietenpol, the 1" difference in cabane struts create s a 2 degree angle. Added to this is a 1 1/2 degree angle formed between th e chord line and the bottoms of the spars (since that's where the cabanes a ttach). So the effective angle of incidence between the airfoil chord and t he top longeron is 3.5 degrees. For the Riblett 612 airfoil, there is a 2.1 degree angle between the chord line and the bottoms of the spars. So, if a Riblett 612 airfoil is mounted on "stock" cabanes (front 1" longer than rear), the effective AofI would be 4.1 degrees. If the front and rear cabanes are made equal lengths, with the Riblett, the effective angle would be reduced to only 2.1 degrees - almost 1 1/2 degree s less than the "to the plans" Piet. In order to produce the same 3.5 degree angle, but using the Riblett 612, t here should be a difference of approximately 11/16" difference in cabane le ngths (front vs back). Food for thought. Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 03, 2014
From: Ryan M <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Riblett 612 Incidence?
Sounds neat Mike. Where are you located? Ryan ________________________________ From: MikeHall <Gmhall222(at)gmail.com> Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 12:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 Incidence? I have found various threads discussing this airfoil and I just have not found a concrete answer to the desired wing incidence while using the Riblett 612. First let me add that my project started from a set of GN1 plans but, I am going to use a different strut design similar to the baby ace. This kind of strut will not allow for ultra easy incidence adjustments to be made so I need to get this as close as possible in the wing and strut design from the start. I have the riblett 612 designed with 2deg incidence as of right now. Here is a layout of what I have so far as well as a Cad model of the steel fuselage that I am working on. I will also be building a 87% cub steel tail group as well. The plane will be powered by a BMW R1100S engine which is just shy of 100hp. Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431449#431449 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gm_1_02_aircamper_464.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/gm_1_aircamper_157.png http://forums.matronics.com//files/aircamper_riblett_airfoil_175.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Riblett 612 Incidence?
From: "MikeHall" <Gmhall222(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 03, 2014
I am located down in Leesburg, GA. I grew up around homebuilt airplanes yet really never became interested in building my own until now. I have been in the model airplane industry off and on for over 14 years so i figured its time to design and build a real one. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431456#431456 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Riblett 612 Incidence?
From: "MikeHall" <Gmhall222(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 03, 2014
I just finished creating a 3d model of the scaled down piper cub vertical/rudder. I still need to determine if I am going to cover the vertical separate from the fuselage or cover it as part of the fuselage. The junction of the vertical and the turtle deck stringers has yet to be addressed. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431458#431458 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gm_1_aircamper_vertical_637.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/gm_1_04_aircamper_193.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jack Textor's Pietenpol progress photos
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Oct 04, 2014
Michael and Charles thank you for your kind words. I can say many parts ende d up in the trash, especially the metalwork. The site is dated will have to get it updated. Also, because of your comments I will shift some time back t o the project. Again thanks! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Oct 3, 2014, at 11:47 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" wrote: > > > http://www.textors.com/PietProject.html > > > I just spent lunch hour looking thru all of Jack Textor=99s build ph otos and after wiping the druel from my face I can, without doubt, say > that Jack=99s workmanship is the finest homebuilding I believe I hav e ever seen. I can=99t wait to see this load of sticks and fabric fl y into > Brodhead someday. > > Mike C. > Ohio > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Riblett 612 Incidence?
From: "MikeHall" <Gmhall222(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 04, 2014
Does anyone have any advice on going with such a setup to make changes to the wing incidence? I have designed the struts to use sold 4130 5/8 rod ends which I have yet to look up the specs but I would bet they could lift a tank. I still need to design the wing attachment brackets which would bolt to the rod ends. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431493#431493 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gn_1_aircamper_strut__120.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 04, 2014
From: "Robert S. Edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: riblett 612
For what it is worth we used the riblett 612 rib with cabanes the same length and our piet with a continental 0 200 has 35 hours and at 2500 RPM cruises at 95 MPH and at 2700 it does 103 and stalls at 27 MPH. It handles great and flies hands off. Maybe we did something wrong but we are pleased with it. Happy flying... I have sent pictures before but I tried to send a picture and they said it took up too much space. Bob -- Robert S. Edson ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 04, 2014
Subject: Cub Struts up or down?
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
I have cut down Piper Cub struts. Which way should they be mounted? Thick end up or down? I know which way they are mounted on a cub. With adjustable the tapered end down. However, An old homebuilder, very knowledgeable, who has built several planes, (the most recent is a flybaby.) said he would put them on with the adjustable part up. But he was not fixed in his opinion. What have y'all done? Blue Skies, Steve D BTW the "No Jury Struts" guy was at my hangar and he was again adamant that anyone putting struts on is a fool. I listened and told him I was going to put them on anyhow. I told him that I had researched the accident reports and did not find a single incident of wing failure in the FAA data base. NOTE: the British Pietenpol must be built to a specific standard, that standard has been examined by structural engineers. Their Pietenpol design has A jury strut, only on the front strut. None on the rear. Does anyone know why? Blue Skies Steve D -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 05, 2014
Subject: Fwd: Nose stand
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Gentlemen, Here is version 2.0 of my nose cradle. Version 1.0 was just a 8 inch bench with an old Beech Bonanza seatback and a blanket. Putting it on wheels makes it mobile and gives me at least a foot more room for my other plane. Also this clears my cowling and carb. Made from am $8 (with a coupon) Harbor Freight dolly, scrap 2x6, and scrap plywood. the 2X6 is notched to match the prop shape and padded with one layer of sleeping pad (the type you camp out with) and a layer of Pipe insulation, covered with carpet. The hole in the front is so that I can hang it on the prop while I bungee it in. I bungee the cradle onto the prop so that when I lower the nose I don't have to aim for the cradle, It is all one piece. When the piet is flying the planes will switch so that I can get the Piet out without having to move the Beech Bonanza in and out, I intend on flying the piet a lot more than the Vtail. Blue Skies, Steve D. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: riblett 612
From: "MikeHall" <Gmhall222(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 06, 2014
So if everyone suggest using Equal length struts along with the Riblett 612 airfoil then that would put the incidence at 2.1deg. Is that what everyone is ending up with? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431568#431568 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: lift struts 2
From: "Bill R" <brcapper(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 07, 2014
ok, lets go down this road a little further. I am still trying to determine if the aluminum lift struts from Carlson A/C are adequate for a Pietenpol. I know there are Piets out there flying with these struts,Dan Helspers being one of them. (thanks Dan for your previous response and detailed photos). But I am still looking at the numbers and have come up with a very unscientific conclusion. If I built in a big fudge factor by using a gross weight of 1320 lbs. and stressed the airframe to 6 G's. that comes out to 7920 lbs. The small lift struts from Carlson has a shear load capacity of 11,600 lbs. If the load is then divided by 4 (4 struts), it would appear that these aluminum struts are easily capable of of handling the job. But alas, this is just to simple,I have to be missing something. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431626#431626 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: lift struts 2
Date: Oct 07, 2014
You are. Cabanes share that load. The picture is even better than you compute. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill R Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: lift struts 2 ok, lets go down this road a little further. I am still trying to determine if the aluminum lift struts from Carlson A/C are adequate for a Pietenpol. I know there are Piets out there flying with these struts,Dan Helspers being one of them. (thanks Dan for your previous response and detailed photos). But I am still looking at the numbers and have come up with a very unscientific conclusion. If I built in a big fudge factor by using a gross weight of 1320 lbs. and stressed the airframe to 6 G's. that comes out to 7920 lbs. The small lift struts from Carlson has a shear load capacity of 11,600 lbs. If the load is then divided by 4 (4 struts), it would appear that these aluminum struts are easily capable of of handling the job. But alas, this is just to simple,I have to be missing something. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431626#431626 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: lift struts 2
Date: Oct 07, 2014
First off you can't just divide by four. The front strut takes the larger part of the load and the rear less of it. I'm not sure what the ratio is on the Piet airfoil though. Most likely somewhere around a third more. Second, the load on the wing is vertical but the tensile stress on the strut is not. The length of the strut is in the neighbourhood of double the vertical component. So your strut sees double the value of the lift supported by that strut. 600lb lifted puts 1200lb tension on the strut. third, the cabanes carry a portion of the load but not a lot. I figured all this stuff out some time ago and put it in some quite intelligent location. Now that my intelligence has eroded I can't find it!! Clif When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it happened or not. Mark Twain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill R" <brcapper(at)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: lift struts 2 > > ok, lets go down this road a little further. > I am still trying to determine if the aluminum lift struts from Carlson > A/C are adequate for a Pietenpol. I know there are Piets out there flying > with these struts,Dan Helspers being one of them. (thanks Dan for your > previous response and detailed photos). But I am still looking at the > numbers and have come up with a very unscientific conclusion. If I built > in a big fudge factor by using a gross weight of 1320 lbs. and stressed > the airframe to 6 G's. that comes out to 7920 lbs. The small lift struts > from Carlson has a shear load capacity of 11,600 lbs. If the load is then > divided by 4 (4 struts), it would appear that these aluminum struts are > easily capable of of handling the job. > But alas, this is just to simple,I have to be missing something. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431626#431626 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: tossing and turning
Date: Oct 08, 2014
Piet group, Just a few thoughts after a few sleepless nights over decisions I'm making during the early stages of overhauling a spare A-65 that I purchased with n o-logs in Michigan last month. Let me begin by saying that I'm not an engine authority of any kind but I d id overhaul my own A-65 18 years ago when building my Piet. (That engine d idn't have logs either and was sitting in a basement for the 20 years prior to me obtaining it but that is superfluous information.) This is just my story to share with you---I'm not asking for your approval, disapproval, applause, or lectures but just sharing. Back in the early 90's when I overhauled my 1st A-65 Continental I got advi ce from two very close friends who were IA's and A&P's who specifically had been overhauling small Continental engines since the end of WWII. I sent out the componen ts of my engine to the engine overhaul shops that these guys knew well and that they had held in high regard. I didn't skimp on sending these parts out for mach ining, inspection, and reconditioning. I overhauled my A-65 early on in my build so I had the money and wasn't pinching pennies yet and did that intentionally since I knew tha t engine would be used every summer for many years to come giving rides and going on trips to Wisconsin. Whatever parts came back rejected/red tagged I threw in the metal dumpsters at work and replaced with new parts from Fresno Air Parts. By God's grace and doing my homework I was able to fly that old engine for 16 years giving lots of rides and having lots of fun flying over lots of fa rmland and flying to lots of little and big fly-in's around the Midwest and not once did that faithfu l engine ever miss a beat. (okay.....minus the time it quit cold when I t axied out with the fuel valve in the off position but if you haven't done that then you're my hero.) At the risk of getting a lecture (or not) I'll also add that the mags and car b were rebuilt by these two seasoned IA's for me so I can't take any credit for the reliability that those two q uality jobs alone provided in good engine running over the years but certai nly a 1st class engine rebuild isn't worth a dime if the mags or carb screws up on your first few flights becaus e they were not properly overhauled. I digress. Some 18 years later I'm rebuilding this little gem and after taking all of my measurements I realize that I can (if I wanted to) get away with just h aving all of the parts magnafluxed and if they pass, put the thing back together again and fly it but somethi ng inside won't let me do that. Why? Well okay---all the main bearings just barely measure up to the Standard diameter book values after polishing but not any more than that. That on e up front polished out nicely but I can still see fine lines in the finish . It's only a homebuilt---nothing requires me to send this crankshaft out for rework. I go home thinking of how much m oney I'll save by just putting these parts back together again with new sea ls, bearing sets, and gaskets. A little tossing and turning later I thing about it more. I look over m y numbers for my inside diameters where the crankshaft and the camshaft wil l ride for the next what, 5, 10, 15, 20 years? Nice.....they are standard too but only if I wipe all the gasket sealer fro m the engine halves and don't put any string in there. Hmmm......well alm ost standard. They aren't perfect but heck....this is just a homebuilt, you know? Okay....those cylinders will just clean up well and after lapping in those valve and honing them out I can use them just like I got them once I get th em magnafluxed and Zyglo tested and they pass right? Yes sir....I'm going to save a lot of money on this 'just on the edge' overhaul. This could be a $400 or less major overhaul! My gosh... ..this is too good to be true! Wow...did I luck out with this engine. Hmmmm........2am, bathroom break. Can't do it. Nope. Can't do it. "that is going to be a LOT of money Mike!!!" Yep.....I don't like it much either. "you have to crate and box all those heavy parts up and ship them to Texas---that is a pain! Don't waste your time doing that......after all, this is only a homebuilt. You don't have to have the parts all yellow tag pretty! What are you thinking? These are reliable little engines......even guys who put them together half-fast usually get a good little running engine that doesn't mu ch know the difference right away or for the first year or so, so why fuss over all this? Tuesday comes and I call Aircraft Engine & Accessory in Dallas.....the plac e who reconditioned many of my major parts back in 1994 when I majored the first engine. "Hello this is Greg speaking." "wow.....Greg? Greg, the same Greg who I spoke with over the phone a fe w times back in the mid 90's who helped process my original A-65 overhaul t here in Dallas.....that Greg? "yes sir.....I've been here nearly 30 years now." I immediately felt a sense of calm and peace run thru my bones talking with Greg and explaining to him what I had to ship down to him. Last time they took about 10 days to turn my parts around and they came back like crown jewels out of airplane engine wonderland and they purred silky smooth for 16 straight se asons of summer fun flying. "yes sir Greg, you can expect my parts down by you sometime late next week via FedEx groun d." "okay Mike, we'll keep an eye out for them." "by the way Greg.....do you have anyone you recommend for doing small Conti nental crankcase half overhauls?? Divco??" "well yes sir.....yes sir I do....we like to use Crankcase Services, Inc......here's their number, ask for Kevin." "Excellent----thank you so much. I'll g ive Kevin a call." "say Greg, do you have anyone you'd recommend to do cylinder reconditionin g??" "yes sir....we like to use...." Thanks Greg........ Zzzzzzzz.........zzzzzzzzzz.............zzzzzzzzzz. Finally I'm going to sleep good again tonight. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tossing and turning
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 08, 2014
Well...could you pass along those numbers for Greg, Kevin, etc... Thanks Mike! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431664#431664 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tossing and turning
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 08, 2014
Great post Mike, I haven't slept well this week too. My problem is only slightly different. I have a friend who has offered me his 4 place 170 MPH home built airplane for a very reasonable price. Do I want it? YES. Do I need it? No. Hmm, That would mean two airplanes. One slow and one to go places in. Guess I'll try to sleep on it. Did I say it was a great buy? Oh yes, I did. Now what do I do? I can't sleep either, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431667#431667 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 09, 2014
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Progress in Pryor
Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. This is an incredibly fun part of the process! Jim in Pryor ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Progress in Pryor
Date: Oct 09, 2014
Very cool, Jim! Congratulations!! Brodhead '15 or Bust! ________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine ________________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] on behalf of Jim Markle [jim_markle(at)mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. This is an incredibly fun part of the process! Jim in Pryor ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 09, 2014
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Covering and Painting
Hi Jim, Your progress on painting is looking good. Its nice to see your Piet getting so close. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 09, 2014
Very nice Jim! Is that latex? Nice curve!!!! Scott K. Burlington ON Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:51 PM, "Jim Markle" wrote: > > Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! > > One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. > > Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. > > This is an incredibly fun part of the process! > > Jim in Pryor > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 09, 2014
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor
Thank you Scott. It is latex...Sherwin Williams best! -----Original Message----- >From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> >Sent: Oct 9, 2014 12:05 PM >To: Jim Markle >Cc: Pietenpol List >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor > >Very nice Jim! Is that latex? Nice curve!!!! > >Scott K. >Burlington ON > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:51 PM, "Jim Markle" wrote: >> >> Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! >> >> One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. >> >> Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. >> >> This is an incredibly fun part of the process! >> >> Jim in Pryor >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 09, 2014
Great looking finish. Did you spray? Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 9, 2014, at 1:21 PM, "Jim Markle" wrote: > > > Thank you Scott. It is latex...Sherwin Williams best! > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> >> Sent: Oct 9, 2014 12:05 PM >> To: Jim Markle >> Cc: Pietenpol List >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor >> >> Very nice Jim! Is that latex? Nice curve!!!! >> >> Scott K. >> Burlington ON >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:51 PM, "Jim Markle" wrote: >>> >>> Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! >>> >>> One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. >>> >>> Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. >>> >>> This is an incredibly fun part of the process! >>> >>> Jim in Pryor >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 09, 2014
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Okay, Jim, now you've started an argument. Airplanes with Sherwin Williams on them fall out of the sky. The only paint that should ever go on an airplane comes from Benjamin Moore. :) Seriously, looks great. Cheers, Ken On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> > > Thank you Scott. It is latex...Sherwin Williams best! > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> > >Sent: Oct 9, 2014 12:05 PM > >To: Jim Markle > >Cc: Pietenpol List > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor > > > >Very nice Jim! Is that latex? Nice curve!!!! > > > >Scott K. > >Burlington ON > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:51 PM, "Jim Markle" > wrote: > >> > >> Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering > and painting is FUN!!! > >> > >> One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and > bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue > tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin > strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a > pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. > >> > >> Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the > month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and > they'll be ready for covering. > >> > >> This is an incredibly fun part of the process! > >> > >> Jim in Pryor > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor
Date: Oct 09, 2014
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Date: Oct 09, 2014
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor
+1 gazillion! Very nice, Jim! On 10/09/2014 11:40 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! > > One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. > > Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. > > This is an incredibly fun part of the process! > > Jim in Pryor > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Oct 09, 2014
...or Kelly Moore. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 9, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Scott Knowlton wrote: > > > Great looking finish. Did you spray? > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 9, 2014, at 1:21 PM, "Jim Markle" wrote: >> >> >> Thank you Scott. It is latex...Sherwin Williams best! >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> >>> Sent: Oct 9, 2014 12:05 PM >>> To: Jim Markle >>> Cc: Pietenpol List >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress in Pryor >>> >>> Very nice Jim! Is that latex? Nice curve!!!! >>> >>> Scott K. >>> Burlington ON >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:51 PM, "Jim Markle" wrote: >>>> >>>> Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! >>>> >>>> One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. >>>> >>>> Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. >>>> >>>> This is an incredibly fun part of the process! >>>> >>>> Jim in Pryor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor
From: "dfwplt" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Oct 09, 2014
Thanks everyone for the compliments! I'm using a foam brush and doing multiple cross coats. Around the curve I used a bristle angled brush but the rest is foam. Painting on 95+ degree days was challenging but seems to be working out ok now that the temp has dropped. Maybe you can tell from the attached that it leaves a bit of a brush line but I like the look. I do have an HVLP setup and would prefer using it but the time involved is an issue. With a foam brush I can go to the shop, add a cross coat and throw the brush away. No real clean up if I want. I've found that I can make a LOT of progress if it's easy to get to. Of course, I've gone out for a "quick" 15 minutes of painting and came inside to a dark house at midnight. But what fun! Wait, what? If I spray it won't "fall out of the sky"???? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431698#431698 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/photoline_494.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/photoline_193.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/photoline_465.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 09, 2014
Subject: Re: tossing and turning
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
You can never have too many airplanes! Steve D. Piet in progress, Vtail Bonanza waiting for an annual after the Piet flies. Note: my wife does not agree. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:47 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> > > Great post Mike, > > I haven't slept well this week too. My problem is only slightly > different. I have a friend who has offered me his 4 place 170 MPH home > built airplane for a very reasonable price. Do I want it? YES. Do I need > it? No. Hmm, That would mean two airplanes. One slow and one to go places > in. Guess I'll try to sleep on it. Did I say it was a great buy? Oh yes, I > did. Now what do I do? > > I can't sleep either, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431667#431667 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Date: Oct 09, 2014
Jim, That looks great! I should start covering in November, right after finishing the rigging. I am looking forward to it! Thanks for encouragement! Will you be Flying this Spring/Summer? Thanks, Ray Krause Building SkyScout Sent from my iPad > On Oct 9, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > > Wanted to share some recent progress on "The People's Piet". Covering and painting is FUN!!! > > One picture of before paint and one of after paint....right side up and bottom with access panel uncovered facing the camera. One is of the blue tape effort at finding the curve I wanted. Replaced with holding a thin strip of 1/16" ply around that same general curve and marking it with a pencil. Worked on THAT layout for the last 10+ years and like it a lot. > > Should have the fuse painted and back on the gear by the end of the month (October) then on to the wings! A bit of varnish here and there and they'll be ready for covering. > > This is an incredibly fun part of the process! > > Jim in Pryor > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Progress in Pryor
From: "dfwplt" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Oct 09, 2014
Ray, flying in 2015 is the plan! The way things are going right now it's entirely doable. Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431718#431718 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: lift struts 2
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: Oct 09, 2014
Clif I think it was Jack Phillips that said you divide by the cosine of the angle between the struts and the spar to get the tensile load on the strut. Example: 30 degree angle (cos = .5); lift required = 5,000 lbs. Total tensile load 5,000/.5 = 10,000 lbs. To the original question, if you assume the rear struts and the cabanes take NONE of the load, that leaves about 4,000 lbs for each of the load bearing struts. With an angle of 30 degrees between the struts and spar, the tensile load is 8,000 +/-. In theory, the struts should be good for 9 G's in tension. Now compression is another subject... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431720#431720 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 09, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Covering and Painting
thank you u should see the heath parasol On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:57 AM, Jim Boyer wrote: Hi Jim, Your progress on painting is looking good. Its nice to see your Piet getting so close. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: advice on trim mechanism
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 10, 2014
Hey Paul, I'm sure that something could be designed to work with a little thought. I have been thinking about your question for several hours and I am not sure why you would even want or need one in the front cockpit. Piets are soloed from the rear seat, that being said, if someone were flying it in the front seat then I would only hope that there is a qualified pilot in the back seat to adjust the trim. The second thing that comes to mind is that we as builders should be concerned about any extra weight we build into the planes. It only takes away from our useful load no matter how minor the weight gain. All that said, I'm sure someone on the list with a similar trim system would have some useful ideas for the front hole. My trim system is not like any other Piet I have seen. It is copied from a pre-war T-craft. It could be made to work from both cockpits without a lot of extra work. Respectfully, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431746#431746 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: advice on trim mechanism
Date: Oct 10, 2014
I have electric trim. Aside from Scott's good advice, it could be easily adapted for co-pilot operation. Only thing is... ...I have never used it!! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 2:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim mechanism --> Hey Paul, I'm sure that something could be designed to work with a little thought. I have been thinking about your question for several hours and I am not sure why you would even want or need one in the front cockpit. Piets are soloed from the rear seat, that being said, if someone were flying it in the front seat then I would only hope that there is a qualified pilot in the back seat to adjust the trim. The second thing that comes to mind is that we as builders should be concerned about any extra weight we build into the planes. It only takes away from our useful load no matter how minor the weight gain. All that said, I'm sure someone on the list with a similar trim system would have some useful ideas for the front hole. My trim system is not like any other Piet I have seen. It is copied from a pre-war T-craft. It could be made to work from both cockpits without a lot of extra work. Respectfully, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431746#431746 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: advice on trim mechanism
From: Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 11, 2014
Can you draw out your trim system Scott? I am interested. Gardiner Mason Sent from my iPad > On Oct 10, 2014, at 5:28 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > > Hey Paul, > > I'm sure that something could be designed to work with a little thought. I have been thinking about your question for several hours and I am not sure why you would even want or need one in the front cockpit. Piets are soloed from the rear seat, that being said, if someone were flying it in the front seat then I would only hope that there is a qualified pilot in the back seat to adjust the trim. The second thing that comes to mind is that we as builders should be concerned about any extra weight we build into the planes. It only takes away from our useful load no matter how minor the weight gain. > > All that said, I'm sure someone on the list with a similar trim system would have some useful ideas for the front hole. My trim system is not like any other Piet I have seen. It is copied from a pre-war T-craft. It could be made to work from both cockpits without a lot of extra work. > > Respectfully, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431746#431746 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New movie: A couple of evening flights in the Piet
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Oct 12, 2014
No music, just clouds, cows, and sunsets. A bit long at 11+ minutes... http://youtu.be/2Efh2JyivcQ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431779#431779 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: New movie: A couple of evening flights in the Piet
Date: Oct 12, 2014
Jeff, Thanks, I did not get to fly today; but did fly Friday and Saturday. Nice video. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Oct 12, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > > No music, just clouds, cows, and sunsets. A bit long at 11+ minutes... > > http://youtu.be/2Efh2JyivcQ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431779#431779 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New movie: A couple of evening flights in the Piet
From: "johnnysdrop" <johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com>
Date: Oct 13, 2014
Hi Jeff Enjoyed the evening flight, thanks. The airfield interests me, a lot of hazards around too. Is this an airpark for aviators, I see open wide gardens onto the strip and a housing estate in the airfield effectively? Do the cows get onto the runway at all, they seemed not to care about you flying over them on final, amazing and as I say interesting place. John Theron (English Johnny) Working on the Wills design spars. -------- The only way is UP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431791#431791 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: New movie: A couple of evening flights in the
Piet
Date: Oct 13, 2014
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Date: Oct 13, 2014
From: Charles Burkholder <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net>
Subject: Piet on Barnstormers posted Oct 12
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Subject: Re: advice on trim mechanism
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 13, 2014
Are you putting in airspeed indication in the front too? If not, don't really recommend trim, especially for front seat instruction. That way, fifty always feels like fifty, sixty always feels like sixty, etc. I taught my son to fly in the front of a Piet. Good intercom is way more important. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431796#431796 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet on Barnstormers posted Oct 12
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 13, 2014
Charles, The ad appears to have been taken down. I saw it and they described the motor as being a Corvair. It did not look like any Corvair I had ever seen. I forwarded a link to William Wynne and here was his response- "Terry, I just called the guy and suggested taking the word Corvair out of the ad. I think it is a Pontiac Iron duke 140 cid. est. project value $3,500 if the covering is perfect and the wood is cert spruce. Otherwise get the zippo lighter. Thank you. William Wynne" -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431798#431798 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 13, 2014
From: George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New movie: A couple of evening flights in the
Piet Sounds like a great airport. Not many of them left. =0A=0A=0A______________ __________________=0A From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> =0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASen t: Monday, October 13, 2014 5:30 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New movie: A couple of evening flights in the Piet=0A =0A=0A=0AHi John,=0A=0AG lad you enjoyed the movie. The field doesn=99t really have all that m any hazards in that it is 2800 ft long and 100 ft wide. The airport was cre ated by a retired Eastern Airlines pilot, who still lives there. He is slow ing down a bit, and has interests out on the coast with his son, so mainten ance of the field and what few facilities exist is getting intermittent. I =99ve offered to mow for him, but coordination has been difficult. A great thing about the whole deal is that he only charges $40 per month per flying airplane for use of the field. He doesn=99t charge rent if you erect a hangar and he doesn=99t charge if your plane is down for mai ntenance and thus could not be using the field for that month.=0A=0AThe hou sing development resulted from his selling about half of his land to invest ors who then put up a bunch of =9Cstarter homes=9D that were ch eap in price and quality. Unfortunately, only a handful of pilots moved the re. Fortunately two of them are great mechanics and pilots, and one is also an instructor. Prior to the Great Recession, it was fairly common to have several planes flying in and and out all during the weekends and even on we ekdays. Now, it=99s mainly just the experimental crowd on the weekend s and almost nothing during the week. Some of the retirees have also had to cut way back on flying due to health problems. I think I=99m the sec ond youngest guy there, and I=99m 52! I think the instructor/mechanic /pilot may be a few years younger than me.=0A=0AI=99ve never heard of cows getting on the field, though occasionally a pilot overruns and takes out the fence. Due to that, the airport owner replaced the center section o f the wire fence with PVC plastic pipe (you can see it in many of the video s) that simply pops apart if hit by a vehicle.=0A=0AIf you look closely in the last video, you=99ll see a black cow run to the left as I =99m on short final. That may be the only time I=99ve noticed a cow g etting spooked by a plane.=0A=0AWhat part of England do you live in? My in- laws lived in Tewin in the 90s, up near Panshanger Aerodrome.=0A=0AWarmest regards,=0A=0AJeff=0A=0AFrom: johnnysdrop <johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com>=0ARe ply-To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ADat e: Monday, October 13, 2014 at 6:03 AM=0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New movie: A couple of evening flights in the Piet=0A=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message p osted by: "johnnysdrop" =0A>=0A>=0A>Hi Jeff=0A> Enjoyed the evening flight, thanks. The airfield interests me, a lot of haz ards around too. Is this an airpark for aviators, I see open wide gardens o nto the strip and a housing estate in the airfield effectively? Do the cows get onto the runway at all, they seemed not to care about you flying over them on final, amazing and as I say interesting place.=0A>John Theron (Engl ish Johnny)=0A>Working on the Wills design spars.=0A>=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Th e only way is UP=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431791#43179 ===================0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0A =0AThis e-mail message ( including any attachments) is for the sole use of=0Athe intended recipient( s) and may contain confidential and privileged=0Ainformation. If the reader of this message is not the intended=0Arecipient, you are hereby notified t hat any dissemination, distribution=0Aor copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly=0Aprohibited.=0A=0AIf you have received this message in error, please contact=0Athe sender by reply e-mail message and d estroy all copies of the=0Aoriginal message (including attachments). ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: advice on trim mechanism
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Oct 13, 2014
I think Harold Johnson, one of the "Big Piet" builders, had a Bingelis-inspired trim tab actuated by Bowden cable. Are any "Big Piet" builders on the list and do you know how well the system worked? I've tried to attach a couple of photos. Please let me know if you can see them. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431808#431808 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0087_888.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0090_154.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: So long west coast pieters :( Hello Nashville...
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 13, 2014
Well, after the latest job layoff, I am saying good bye to California and hello to Nashville. I am relocating Wednesday and returning to move my stuff at Christmas, including the project such. As it is right now. I hope to be able to fly to Brodhead as it will be closer, and perhaps see some of my west coast buddies again. I was able to see Jorge from Hanford yesterday, but Mike and Vic, Gary and the west coast contingent I will miss indeed. So, who's in and around the Nashville area? Looking for some good plane chatting friends when I get back on my feet there. Cheers! Mark Roberts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431820#431820 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: So long west coast pieters :( Hello Nashville...
From: "Lorenzo" <larharris2(at)msn.com>
Date: Oct 13, 2014
85TN (Tellico Plains, TN) is only 3 hrs away by auto, maybe 1.5 by plane, from Nashville. Between Knoxville & Chattanooga. One Piet in residence, one under construction. We have a monthly fly-in/cookout on the 2nd Sat May-Oct. Come visit. Lorenzo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431821#431821 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: So long west coast pieters :( Hello Nashville...
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 13, 2014
Got one based just south of chattanooga. Welcome anytime! Tools, 423 580 1383 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431826#431826 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Vi Kapler hinges
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 13, 2014
Hello, Pieters; I wanted to report that I have just received a new run of aluminum castings for the Kapler hinges and will soon begin finishing and fabricating them. I have enough castings to produce at least 20 sets (9 pairs) of hinges, so there should be enough to last for a good while. I will post to the list when I have some sets finished and available to ship out. I do not yet have the final bill from the foundry, so I can't state a price just yet but will also post that when I know. These parts carry no STC, PMA, guarantee, or any other approval from anyone or any agency. They are for experimental, home-built aircraft. These parts are individually inspected by me and are hand-finished and hand-made from aluminum castings from a foundry here in the U.S. using hand tools and simple jigs that Vi made by hand many years ago, so no two pairs of hinges will be alike and no dimensional tolerances will be provided. When I have a couple of sets completed from this run, I will measure them using ordinary shop instruments and will post the dimensions to this list. I will also proof-test a random representative pair of hinges on the bench to failure and will post the test results to this list. I may also replace the hinges on my own plane with a set from this run so that I can flight-test them myself, and then re-bush my old set so I'll know how to properly use the re-bushing tools that Vi provided along with the other tools and jigging. I do not know which casting alloy the foundry uses to make these parts but I may be able to deduce that by calculating back to the material tensile strength after I run the test to determine the load at failure. I will post that information to this list once I have it in hand. These parts are essentially exact replacements for the ones that Vi made and sold for many years, so they should fit in existing tail surfaces with all holes matching. I will offer refund of purchase price, or exchange for another pair, if a buyer finds that the parts that they receive are not to their satisfaction after receiving and inspecting them. Thanks. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431827#431827 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Vi Kapler hinges
Date: Oct 13, 2014
Wow, you are a Super Pieter! That's what makes this group so special. I would certainly order a set, but my "stuff" came with an Original Set from Vi! Great to have you doing this for us. Ray Krause Building SkyScout Sent from my iPad > On Oct 13, 2014, at 9:23 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > Hello, Pieters; > > I wanted to report that I have just received a new run of aluminum castings for the Kapler hinges and will soon begin finishing and fabricating them. I have enough castings to produce at least 20 sets (9 pairs) of hinges, so there should be enough to last for a good while. I will post to the list when I have some sets finished and available to ship out. I do not yet have the final bill from the foundry, so I can't state a price just yet but will also post that when I know. > > These parts carry no STC, PMA, guarantee, or any other approval from anyone or any agency. They are for experimental, home-built aircraft. > > These parts are individually inspected by me and are hand-finished and hand-made from aluminum castings from a foundry here in the U.S. using hand tools and simple jigs that Vi made by hand many years ago, so no two pairs of hinges will be alike and no dimensional tolerances will be provided. When I have a couple of sets completed from this run, I will measure them using ordinary shop instruments and will post the dimensions to this list. I will also proof-test a random representative pair of hinges on the bench to failure and will post the test results to this list. I may also replace the hinges on my own plane with a set from this run so that I can flight-test them myself, and then re-bush my old set so I'll know how to properly use the re-bushing tools that Vi provided along with the other tools and jigging. > > I do not know which casting alloy the foundry uses to make these parts but I may be able to deduce that by calculating back to the material tensile strength after I run the test to determine the load at failure. I will post that information to this list once I have it in hand. > > These parts are essentially exact replacements for the ones that Vi made and sold for many years, so they should fit in existing tail surfaces with all holes matching. > > I will offer refund of purchase price, or exchange for another pair, if a buyer finds that the parts that they receive are not to their satisfaction after receiving and inspecting them. > > Thanks. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431827#431827 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 14, 2014
Subject: Placards and Markings
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Folks, I could use some advice. I'm working on the placards and markings. One on which I haven't found guidance is how to estimate or determine Vno, which is the top of the green arc and bottom of the yellow arc on the airspeed indicator. Anyone know how this is calculated? Cheers, Ken ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Placards and Markings
Date: Oct 14, 2014
I dont remember how I decided but remember what you choose can always be cha nged. My long fuse A65 Piet is not happy above 80 to 85 mph if you want a st arting point Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Ken Bickers wrote: > > Folks, I could use some advice. I'm working on the placards and markings. One on which I haven't found guidance is how to estimate or determine Vno, which is the top of the green arc and bottom of the yellow arc on the airsp eed indicator. Anyone know how this is calculated? Cheers, Ken > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Placards and Markings
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 14, 2014
Ken; This one is a bit tricky, but for your evening mental exercise, here's some info that I snagged directly off the web. I would be interested in what you come up with computationally. For part 23 airplanes that are not turbine powered and VD has not been established, 23.1505(b) establishes VNO must be established such that it is between VC,min and 0.89*VNE. Section 23.335 defines VC as a multiplying factor of the square root of wing loading at design maximum takeoff weight. For normal and utility category airplanes, VC is design cruising speed and is be between 33 (W/S) and 0.9 VH where W/S is wing loading at the design maximum takeoff weight. The factor 33 may be scaled as low as 28.6 based on W/S values greater than 20 (the regs do not provide units on any of these numbers...). VH is the maximum forward airpseed in level flight at maximum continuous power at sea level. Section 23.335 also defines VA and the only relation to VC is that VA need not exceed VC. We can see from this information that establishing VNO is a design choice based ultimately upon maximum possible wing loading as a guideline and unlike VA stall speeds are not involved in the calculation. What you can take from this is that VA will vary by weight (because this affects the stall speed) but VNO is based upon wing loading at max gross takeoff weight and is constant with actual weight. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431845#431845 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: airspeed markings
Date: Oct 14, 2014
Ken-I took the very scientific approach and marked mine similarly to the Ae ronca Champ I used to fly with the photo below to illustrate. Truthfully, in flying practice, I have dove for speed for long, swooping, barn door wingovers and about 90 is about all the faster I would ever want to get in my Piet. It talks to you.....you'll kn ow. To do it over again I would make the yellow arc from 80 to 95 and redline i t at 95. Totally unscientific but there you have it. Your inspector probably won 't give a rip anyway and if he does you can always move your colors around. Mike C. Ohio [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFE7B4.E02F4EC0] ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 14, 2014
Subject: Re: airspeed markings
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Just a review to clear my mind. I will be marking mine. The redline <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redline> mark indicates *V*NE <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_speeds>, or *velocity (never exceed)*. This is the maximum demonstrated safe airspeed that the aircraft must not exceed under any circumstances. I would say about 100MPH. (though I have seen a VNE of about 114 Knots.) Go faster than this and things start to break. The yellow band is the caution area, which runs from *V*NO (*maximum structural cruise speed*) to *V*NE. OR how what OK in smooth air but is too fast in turbulance. If it is rough and you fly this fast, you might break parts, IE you exceed the Gs for the plane. Fly slower to keep the plane together in turbulence. A green band runs from *V*S1 to *V*NO. is the stall speed <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stall_speed> Up to VNO. Fly this speed at anytime and you will be OK. I am just thinking out loud. for markings before I fly the plane Redline (VNE) 86 knots (100 mph) *Bottom <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stall_speed> of green arc (Stall)* 30 knots (35 mph) Green arc 30 knot to 70 Knots (35MPH to 80MPH) Yellow Arc 70 Knots to 86 Knots (80 to 100 MPH) There is also a Maneuvering Speed that you slow down to in case of really hard turbulance. I would guess about 60 MPH? I will be using both knots and MPH. My front cockpit has Knots and My rear has MPH. Blue Skies, Steve D OT in my Old Bonanza (1948) My VNE is 202 MPH and the plane will do that in a dive. If you pull back hard whle going this fast not much will happen, BUT if you push forward at this speed the Vtail will start to flutter and may depart the plane. This is BAD. The Green arc is 55 to 160 MPH (Yellow arc starts here.) It will cruse at 170MPH indicated at 8,000 WOT. So yes, you can cruse in the yellow. Go higher and your indicated airspeed goes down but true airspeed gets slightly faster, with less fuel burn. Cruse at 12,500 indicates 140 MPH with true airspeed at 175MPH. The white arc is from 48 to 100 MPH. Dirty Stall speed to MAX Flaps and Max gear down speed is 100 MPH. In other words Landing configuration. Maneuvering speed (Rough turbulence) is 120MPH. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 14, 2014
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: So long west coast pieters :( Hello Nashville...
Hi Mark, We will miss you as well but we all must go where the jobs are. Have a good move and hopefully will see you at Brodhead. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 14, 2014
From: jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: New Bird in the Air
Scrounge Dawg Pietenpol Scrounge Dawg Pietenpol View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo Begun in November 2010 by many members of EAA 64 this video was done the day after she got her Airworthiness Certificate. Test Pilot Brian Kissinger, Video and editing by Jeff Wilson. Project manager Mike Brenner. Others that I can remember, Mike Lotz, Al Bane, Bob Fisch, Doug M., Jeff Beckwith, ...etc...etc... etc. Watch for this bird and many others to accompany her to Brodhead 2015. Hopefully the above link to the youtube video goes through,. If not go to youtube and search "Scrounge Dawg Pietenpol" Jeff Wilson H49 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: So long west coast pieters :( Hello Nashville...
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 14, 2014
Mark,=0A=0A=0AI am in Puryear, TN, 2 1/2 hrs west of Nashvil le. I would be very glad to meet you in person and talk Piets!=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message-----=0AFrom: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 9:06 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: So long west coast piete rs :( Hello Nashville...=0A=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Roberts" =0A=0AWell, after the late st job layoff, I am saying good bye to California and hell o =0Ato Nashville. I am relocating Wednesday and returning to move my stuff at =0AChristmas, including the project such. As it is right now. I hope to be able to =0Afly to Bro dhead as it will be closer, and perhaps see some of my w est coast =0Abuddies again. I was able to see Jorge from Hanford yesterday, but Mike and =0AVic, Gary and the west co ast contingent I will miss indeed.=0A=0ASo, who's in and aroun d the Nashville area? Looking for some good plane chatting =0A friends when I get back on my feet there.=0A=0ACheers!=0A=0AMark Roberts=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums =========================== =========================== =========================== ===========================0A =========================== =========================== =========================== ===============0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Placards and Markings
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 14, 2014
Oscar, thanks. This is helpful. I don't have a good read on Vc. Estimating based on (W/S) is straightforward. Plus with some reasonable guesses about Vc, I should be able to make a preliminary stab at it from that angle too. Cheers, Ken > On Oct 14, 2014, at 11:37 AM, taildrags wrote: > > > Ken; > > This one is a bit tricky, but for your evening mental exercise, here's some info that I snagged directly off the web. I would be interested in what you come up with computationally. > > For part 23 airplanes that are not turbine powered and VD has not been established, 23.1505(b) establishes VNO must be established such that it is between VC,min and 0.89*VNE. Section 23.335 defines VC as a multiplying factor of the square root of wing loading at design maximum takeoff weight. For normal and utility category airplanes, VC is design cruising speed and is be between 33 (W/S) and 0.9 VH where W/S is wing loading at the design maximum takeoff weight. The factor 33 may be scaled as low as 28.6 based on W/S values greater than 20 (the regs do not provide units on any of these numbers...). VH is the maximum forward airpseed in level flight at maximum continuous power at sea level. > > Section 23.335 also defines VA and the only relation to VC is that VA need not exceed VC. > > We can see from this information that establishing VNO is a design choice based ultimately upon maximum possible wing loading as a guideline and unlike VA stall speeds are not involved in the calculation. > > What you can take from this is that VA will vary by weight (because this affects the stall speed) but VNO is based upon wing loading at max gross takeoff weight and is constant with actual weight. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431845#431845 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Placards and Markings
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 14, 2014
Ken; I've run through the formulae using the specifications for the Air Camper as posted on the Pietenpol family website, and they end up not making sense. For example, calculating the wing loading using those specifications gives W/S = 1080/140 = 7.71, so 33 times the square root of 7.71 comes out with a design cruise speed Vc of 91.6 MPH and I don't think there are many Piets that cruise at that speed. You're going to have to just come up with your own markings and ranges. I'll look at my ASI next time I'm at the hangar, but I seem to recall the bottom of the green arc being somewhere around 28-30 (the Pietenpol family website shows 'landing speed' as 35, which sounds about right). I believe my redline Vne is at 95 MPH. My airplane cruises best at around 70 MPH so I would expect the top of the green to be at around 75-80 but I'll have to look at it. None of the other conventional formulae seem to work for Air Campers either. For example, the conventional formula (rule of thumb) for design dive speed is that Vd = 1.4 * Vc, where Vc is determined using the 33 times the square root of the wing loading. That would put the design dive speed for an Air Camper at 128 MPH!!! Going from there, the conventional Vne would be 0.9 times the dive speed, or 115 MPH. I don't know of anyone who has redlined their Air Camper that high, but there may be some out there. My airplane feels very jittery and uncomfortable if I get it above 90-95, which I have done a couple of times. The Corvair Piets like Kevin Purtee's and Gary Boothe's may provide data on higher airspeeds than the Ford and Continental powered planes, since they do cruise faster and may have higher airspeed ranges than others. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431889#431889 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Placards and Markings
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 14, 2014
Ken; By the way, you didn't mention any questions about placards but you're sure to start a lively discussion by asking about the "passenger warning" placard. My airplane and others do not have the "EXPERIMENTAL" letters by the cockpit entry, under the exception in the FARs that covers aircraft bearing the "NX..." registration markings. This is covered in 14 CFR 14.22 and 23. If the registration markings do not include the X between the N and the registration numbers, then the "EXPERIMENTAL" marking is required near the cockpit entry. My aircraft is placarded "REAR SEAT SOLO ONLY" in the front cockpit since the aircraft cannot be operated within its limitations solo from the front seat. There is no front seat solo loading configuration that will keep the CG within the allowable range for the aircraft. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431891#431891 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Placards and Markings
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Date: Oct 14, 2014
FWIW, my FAA inspector could care less about the "NX" on my N-number. He only wanted to see the word "EXPERIMENTAL" somewhere on the foreword panel. Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:10 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > Ken; > > By the way, you didn't mention any questions about placards but you're sure to start a lively discussion by asking about the "passenger warning" placard. My airplane and others do not have the "EXPERIMENTAL" letters by the cockpit entry, under the exception in the FARs that covers aircraft bearing the "NX..." registration markings. This is covered in 14 CFR 14.22 and 23. If the registration markings do not include the X between the N and the registration numbers, then the "EXPERIMENTAL" marking is required near the cockpit entry. > > My aircraft is placarded "REAR SEAT SOLO ONLY" in the front cockpit since the aircraft cannot be operated within its limitations solo from the front seat. There is no front seat solo loading configuration that will keep the CG within the allowable range for the aircraft. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431891#431891 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Placards and Markings
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 14, 2014
Gary: I would have stenciled the word "LATNEMIREPXE" in nice 2" letters clearly and permanently on the *backside* of the forward instrument panel to satisfy the inspector. Clearly visible using a hand-held inspection mirror that you provide the passenger ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431899#431899 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: Placards and Markings
Date: Oct 15, 2014
Before I called the local FSDO to come out to do the airwirthiness inspection on my Pietenpol, I printed out the applicable FARs and had them ready. When he balked at the missing EXPERIMENTAL label, I just handed him the regs, along with a picture of the Rudolph Pietenpol (the regs don't require EXPERIMENTAL if the NX is applied in the numbers and the design has been flying for at leat 30 years. Since the Rudolph Piet has been flying since 1934 that was part of the qualification.). He signed it off with no further questions. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Placards and Markings FWIW, my FAA inspector could care less about the "NX" on my N-number. He only wanted to see the word "EXPERIMENTAL" somewhere on the foreword panel. Gary NX308MB Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:10 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > Ken; > > By the way, you didn't mention any questions about placards but you're sure to start a lively discussion by asking about the "passenger warning" placard. My airplane and others do not have the "EXPERIMENTAL" letters by the cockpit entry, under the exception in the FARs that covers aircraft bearing the "NX..." registration markings. This is covered in 14 CFR 14.22 and 23. If the registration markings do not include the X between the N and the registration numbers, then the "EXPERIMENTAL" marking is required near the cockpit entry. > > My aircraft is placarded "REAR SEAT SOLO ONLY" in the front cockpit since the aircraft cannot be operated within its limitations solo from the front seat. There is no front seat solo loading configuration that will keep the CG within the allowable range for the aircraft. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431891#431891 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: advice on trim mechanism
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 15, 2014
Gardiner, Here are some pics of mine. I can only seem to add one pic at a time so there will be 3 post. Lets give it a try. Paul. Just a FYI, I have never flown a Piet that would fly hands off like you are hoping. The best has been for only a few seconds at a time. It is not like trimming a cessna for various airspeeds. You may be asking too much from the Piet. My 3 cents. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431906#431906 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1020396_286.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: advice on trim mechanism
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 15, 2014
Simple bell crank with tension spring on one side and a pull cable on the other. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431907#431907 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_107_169.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: advice on trim mechanism
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 15, 2014
Again with a simple bell crank with a tension spring, pull cable attached to it and a friction ajustment to hold it in position. It is a VERY effective trim tab. Sorry for the fuzzy pic but it is all I have right now. The bell crank is at the base of the throttle lever. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431908#431908 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_111_140.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: advice on trim mechanism
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Oct 15, 2014
At a certain fuel level, mine will fly hands off in pitch, but I have a bit more washout on the left wing than t he right and without feet on the rudder bar, mine will gra dually turn left. Gonna try and fix that with a new front right strut fitting over the winter, and possibly an elevator trim gizmo. =0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0ANX629ML=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Mess age-----=0AFrom: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>=0ATo: pietenpol -list =0ASent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 12:39 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim mechanism=0A=0A=0A d(at)lacity.org>=0A=0AGardiner,=0A=0AHere are some pics of mine. I can only seem to add one pic at a time so there =0Awill be 3 post. Lets give it a try. =0A=0APaul. Just a FYI, I have never flown a Piet that would fly hands off like you =0Aare hoping. The best has been for only a fe w seconds at a time. It is not like =0Atrimming a cessn a for various airspeeds. You may be asking too much from the =0APiet. My 3 cents.=0A=0A--------=0AScott Liefeld=0AFlying N11M S since March 1972=0ASteel Tube=0AC-85-12=0AWire Wheels=0ABrodhead i n 1996=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.m atronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431906#431906=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== ===========================0A =========================== =========================== =========================== ===============0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Looking for Piet owner
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Oct 16, 2014
Looking for the owner and how to contact him on this Pietenpol. Anybody have any idea who owns this one? Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431943#431943 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_758.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_844.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_348.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com>
Subject: Looking for Piet owner
Date: Oct 16, 2014
Rob, His name is Bill and the plane is at the Tacoma Narrows airport in Washington State. I went and saw it last year after he flew it. He posted some video of his first flight and over water. The cell number I had for him at the time was 253-851-5922. Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pietflyer1977 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:23 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for Piet owner Looking for the owner and how to contact him on this Pietenpol. Anybody have any idea who owns this one? Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431943#431943 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_758.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_844.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_348.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Looking for Piet owner
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Oct 16, 2014
Thanks Brian! It is much appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431949#431949 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2014
Subject: Re: Looking for Piet owner
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
The three attachments are all the same picture. Did you intend to do this? On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Pietflyer1977 wrote: > > Looking for the owner and how to contact him on this Pietenpol. Anybody > have any idea who owns this one? Thanks > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431943#431943 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_758.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_844.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_348.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Looking for Piet owner
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Oct 16, 2014
It was a mistake. First time trying to upload pictures. Just one picture. Sorry. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431958#431958 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2014
Subject: Re: Looking for Piet owner
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
No problem! Thought maybe we had just missed out on the other two pictures. Can't have that! :-) On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Pietflyer1977 wrote: > > It was a mistake. First time trying to upload pictures. Just one picture. > Sorry. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431958#431958 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New movie: A couple of evening flights in the Piet
From: "gsnewsome" <newfaithkat(at)windstream.net>
Date: Oct 16, 2014
Jeff, I'm the one that suggested the walk around video. Just down the street from you. Greg (Savannah, Ga) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431969#431969 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: New movie: A couple of evening flights in the
Piet
Date: Oct 17, 2014
Where are you on your project? Or are you flying already? Sent from an iPhone with a spelling problem > On Oct 16, 2014, at 8:21 PM, "gsnewsome" wrote: > > > Jeff, > > I'm the one that suggested the walk around video. > > Just down the street from you. > > Greg (Savannah, Ga) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431969#431969 > > ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: advice on trim mechanism
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 17, 2014
Paul, So cool. Now I won't be the only one on the block with one. Make sure that you lube the spar where it pivots. Not a lot but maybe a couple times a year. I lost the right side of mine in flight about 15 years ago. The spar broke and there it went. No damage to anything else on the plane and I didn't find that it was missing until the next pre-flight. It was easy to fix and has been trouble free since. You'll love it, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431978#431978 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Copperstate
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 18, 2014
Anybody going to Casa Grande next weekend? I am still hoping to. kinda up to how the wife gets to feeling. long 800 plus mile ride for her. anyway wondering what kind of turn out there will be in real airplanes like ours. I guess the desert heat isn't real kind to wood structures if they aren't kept indoors. if I go I'll probably try to take a few parts for th flymart if they have one.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432010#432010 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: KLHM Open House
Date: Oct 18, 2014
Piet always draws a crowd! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: KLHM Open House
Date: Oct 18, 2014
Gary, Especially when it is such a beautifully crafted Pietenpol! Great job, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Oct 18, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > > Piet always draws a crowd! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 18, 2014
Subject: Re: KLHM Open House
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
It is a Chuck magnet! On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > Gary, > > Especially when it is such a beautifully crafted Pietenpol! > > Great job, > > Ray Krause > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 18, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > > > > > Piet always draws a crowd! > > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Still looking for NOS Radiator
From: "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com>
Date: Oct 19, 2014
I am still looking for a new old stock Forest Lovely radiator for a Ford Model A. If anyone has a extra one or one they decided not to use let me know. Thanks Rob 812-932-9000 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432039#432039 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Plans from the Pietenpol Family Website
From: "gsnewsome" <newfaithkat(at)windstream.net>
Date: Oct 19, 2014
Curious if plans ordered from the Pietenpol family are received with an assigned aircraft serial number? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432042#432042 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Plans from the Pietenpol Family Website
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 19, 2014
Mine were. Scott Knowlton Burlington On Sent from my iPad > On Oct 19, 2014, at 3:36 PM, "gsnewsome" wrote: > > > Curious if plans ordered from the Pietenpol family are received with an assigned aircraft serial number? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432042#432042 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Plans from the Pietenpol Family Website
Date: Oct 19, 2014
Not unless they have recently started doing so. Generally only kit manufacturers do that. You are free to number yours any way you wish. Mine happens to be Serial Number 101, and I am listed as the manufacturer. And I did buy my plans from the Pietenpol family, from BHP's son (Andrew's father), back in 1996. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gsnewsome Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans from the Pietenpol Family Website Curious if plans ordered from the Pietenpol family are received with an assigned aircraft serial number? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432042#432042 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Plans from the Pietenpol Family Website
Date: Oct 19, 2014
No number on mine. Just make one up. Chris Sacramento, CA WestcoastPiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gsnewsome Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 12:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans from the Pietenpol Family Website --> Curious if plans ordered from the Pietenpol family are received with an assigned aircraft serial number? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432042#432042 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
From: "Riegerb" <rieger.brian12(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 19, 2014
First sit in the piet... Actual seat will be ~.5in lower than pictured. Anyone have a good reference for seat height? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432047#432047 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/firstsitpietmatronics_872.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Plans from the Pietenpol Family Website
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 19, 2014
The attached page was in my plans set. I suppose it really just denotes the plan copy number.... I imagine it could be included as part of the serial number of your aircraft if it is desired. Yes, I know.... Plans were received in '03..... Life sometimes gets in the w ay of a good airplane project.... Scott K Sent from my iPad > On Oct 19, 2014, at 3:36 PM, "gsnewsome" wrot e: > net> > > Curious if plans ordered from the Pietenpol family are received with an as signed aircraft serial number? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432042#432042 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 19, 2014
Best advice is "build it to the plans" ;o) I believe my Piet seat is built to plans and I still find myself hunching down behind the windscreen when it's chilly. If you want, I can measure the front and rear heights of my seat, but my guess is that it's per plans. I only have a thin padding of foam and naugahyde on mine, although I've flown it with a store-bought chair cushion and also with a typical boat floatation cushion and both of those put me a little higher in the slipstream than I like. What style of landing gear are you planning to use? -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432049#432049 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Plans from the Pietenpol Family Website
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 19, 2014
Almost 1400 sets of plans in 7 years. That's a lot of spruce. -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432051#432051 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_894.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Plans from the Pietenpol Family Website
From: "gsnewsome" <newfaithkat(at)windstream.net>
Date: Oct 19, 2014
Popular airplane - Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432052#432052 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Plans from the Pietenpol Family Website
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 19, 2014
Most people make it out of Spruce actually.... ;). You're welcome! SK Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:38 PM, "gsnewsome" wrote: > > > Popular airplane - Thanks > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432052#432052 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 19, 2014
"Build it to plans..." That's really kind of a joke. BUT, when it comes to weird little things like seat placement, height, angle, etc, it's true. Just don't worry about it much. Same with control rigging, moments, incidence, blah blah. Absolutely don't worry about a quarter of an inch here or there due to plywood thickness, cumulative error or whatever. Basically stick to the most obvious intent of the plans and it'll be fine. I absolutely agree with the big three... STOUT angled cabanas, flexible fuel tubing from the wing tank and certainty about balance, but otherwise, don't fret it too much. Anything less than half an hour doesn't matter. From there to an hour and a half is questionable, more than that you can't make a Piet comfortable, is basically the deal. So consider what you'll be doing the most. For most of us, most flights are less than an hour, with twenty min flights being the norm. Probably the most important priority is weight followed by simplicity, just that simple. Your project is looking great! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432058#432058 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 19, 2014
I'm with 'tools' as far as duration of flights. Many of mine, 0.5 or so in the logbook, are just to get the airplane out, warm up the oil, and make a couple of circuits of the field to stay current and to challenge my skills. For this type of flight you won't be up long enough to feel the seat padding, the cold or heat, or much of anything else... the thrill of flight will be the dominant sensation. The next most popular type of flight that I make, anywhere from 0.5 to 1.0 in the logbook, is when I go out to survey the landscape, observe enemy movements, and sometimes to run through stalls and airmanship maneuvers. I'll make a strafing run on a freight train or suspected enemy encampment as needed to confirm Vne in a maximum dive and pull-up after dropping my bombs on the train, but mostly I'll be at 1500-2000 MSL looking at the scenery, the change of seasons, and just enjoying the airplane. For these flights, I might notice my headset 'clamping' towards the end of a flight, or I might feel a chill up my pants legs if the air is cool, or I might notice having to hold aft stick if the nose tank was full when I started- but not much else. This is Pietenpoling at its finest. The least frequent type of flight that I make is in excess of 1.0 in the logbook and can be a hop over to a nearby field for an event, or a short x-c, or in a rare instance, a "long" (for me) x-c of several fuel stops and a day or so of travel each way. On those flights, I definitely notice the seat padding, the suitability of my clothing for the weather, the CG shift as fuel burns, the tightness of the headset, and a lot of other things as the flight progresses. After about 2.0, I want to get on the ground, stretch, fuel up, check oil, and inspect the airplane. I have never flown Scout for more than about 4.0 at a time, so you iron-butt guys will have to chime in here. I can say that the angle of the seat bottom really begins to play a big part in cockpit comfort after 2.0 in the seat, or maybe it's just us slimmer pilots, because my tailbones really begin to feel the plywood seat bottom after about 90-120 minutes in the seat. There is no way for me to shift my weight onto my thighs because of the geometric relationship of the rudder bar to the pilot's seat, so I settle into the "lift and shift" weight transfer mode and tough it out after that. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432063#432063 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 20, 2014
my front seat height turned into a problem- basically because the one time I flew with a passenger I found it impossible to use the rudder pedals without interference with his backside and my feet. I made a raised seat piece and installed it but have not flown with a passenger sine. this says more about my big feet than the width of his posterior. maybe a genuine Piet has different clearance issues than a Grega but I can't imagine that much difference there Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432070#432070 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
From: "Riegerb" <rieger.brian12(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 20, 2014
Thanks for the all the info Tools... these are great anecdotes to work by. Love the stories Oscar =) I attached a picture of the landing gear I'm using... GNflyer, could you explain how your feet were interfering with the passenger? Your toes were clipping the passenger seat/backside and you raised the seat to change the angle of your feet using the rudder? I've read some old posts that suggest not completely gluing in the seat until your control assembly is dry fitted to make sure everything has appropriate clearance. I'll certainly do this but also want to make sure my head isn't in the wind stream with (some) seat padding... =p Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432077#432077 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tumblr_nczexflmlo1tii5rdo8_1280_131.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
Date: Oct 20, 2014
While the majority of flights are short, if you ever plan to fly it to Brodhead and you don't live in the midwest, you can plan on some miserably long flights. I've flown mine to Brodhead 5 times, and each time requires about 13 hours flying time, each way. One year I did it all in one day (never again!). I took off from Raleigh NC just before dawn and landed at Brodhead about 20 minutes after sunset. I've done a number of cross-countries in mine (other than going to and from Brodhead), ranging from an hour and a half to five hours or more, so don't think you'll never fly more than 30 minutes. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 12:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? I'm with 'tools' as far as duration of flights. Many of mine, 0.5 or so in the logbook, are just to get the airplane out, warm up the oil, and make a couple of circuits of the field to stay current and to challenge my skills. For this type of flight you won't be up long enough to feel the seat padding, the cold or heat, or much of anything else... the thrill of flight will be the dominant sensation. The next most popular type of flight that I make, anywhere from 0.5 to 1.0 in the logbook, is when I go out to survey the landscape, observe enemy movements, and sometimes to run through stalls and airmanship maneuvers. I'll make a strafing run on a freight train or suspected enemy encampment as needed to confirm Vne in a maximum dive and pull-up after dropping my bombs on the train, but mostly I'll be at 1500-2000 MSL looking at the scenery, the change of seasons, and just enjoying the airplane. For these flights, I might notice my headset 'clamping' towards the end of a flight, or I might feel a chill up my pants legs if the air is cool, or I might notice having to hold aft stick if the nose tank was full when I started- but not much else. This is Pietenpoling at its finest. The least frequent type of flight that I make is in excess of 1.0 in the logbook and can be a hop over to a nearby field for an event, or a short x-c, or in a rare instance, a "long" (for me) x-c of several fuel stops and a day or so of travel each way. On those flights, I definitely notice the seat padding, the suitability of my clothing for the weather, the CG shift as fuel burns, the tightness of the headset, and a lot of other things as the flight progresses. After about 2.0, I want to get on the ground, stretch, fuel up, check oil, and inspect the airplane. I have never flown Scout for more than about 4.0 at a time, so you iron-butt guys will have to chime in here. I can say that the angle of the seat bottom really begins to play a big part in cockpit comfort after 2.0 in the seat, or maybe it's just us slimmer pilots, because my tailbones really begin to feel the plywood seat bottom after about 90-120 minutes in the seat. There is no way for me to shift my weight onto my thighs because of the geometric relationship of the rudder bar to the pilot's seat, so I settle into the "lift and shift" weight transfer mode and tough it out after that. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432063#432063 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 20, 2014
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: KLHM Open House
Everybody wants to park next to your Piet so their plane gets some attentio n. Cheers, Jim =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 20, 2014
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
Looks like you have a good start. I wouldn't worry to much about seat height until you get the instrument panel and bulkheads in place so you can tell if you can see over them. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
From: "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 20, 2014
the problem I was having was with my feet hitting the sides of his rear - now maybe my size 11's are just that big. but if it happens again I'm thinking about some type seat pan up there that would hold the sitter in front in just enough to clear the insides of my feet. like they say - bet you won't have any unusual problems if you build to plans.- main thing is to keep moving forward. it is fun to see the parts start fitting together isn't it? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432097#432097 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
From: "gsnewsome" <newfaithkat(at)windstream.net>
Date: Oct 20, 2014
Glad to hear you use the piet for x country trips. Not sure what build I will end up with, but I hope to use it for x country and local flying... jack(at)bedfordlandings.c wrote: > While the majority of flights are short, if you ever plan to fly it to > Brodhead and you don't live in the midwest, you can plan on some miserably > long flights. I've flown mine to Brodhead 5 times, and each time requires > about 13 hours flying time, each way. One year I did it all in one day > (never again!). I took off from Raleigh NC just before dawn and landed at > Brodhead about 20 minutes after sunset. > > I've done a number of cross-countries in mine (other than going to and from > Brodhead), ranging from an hour and a half to five hours or more, so don't > think you'll never fly more than 30 minutes. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > > -- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432099#432099 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: KLHM Open House
Date: Oct 20, 2014
Thanks, Jim & Ray. I have the advantage of having the only Pietenpol that most have seen! They wouldn=99t know a poorly built one from a cream puff, like Mike Cuy=99s or Kurt Shipman=99s! One pilot had seen another Piet with standard A/C wheels and tires and thought that the builder had made a mistake. Jerry Dotson had even commented about how embarrassing it sometimes is. Ray, I=99m sure you know that feeling.an odd mix of pride and self-consciousnessespecially when you=99re parked next to a gorgeous Baby Ace or Fairchild 24. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 10:54 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: KLHM Open House Everybody wants to park next to your Piet so their plane gets some attention. Cheers, Jim Gary, Especially when it is such a beautifully crafted Pietenpol! Great job, Ray Krause 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: KLHM Open House
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 20, 2014
Gary; I have experienced some of the same feeling the one and only time I took Scout to a fly-in. Kevin Purtee had gotten there before I did, so onlookers had seen his airplane with its spoked wheels and motorcycle tires, trim lines, sharp workmanship, and all the rest. Then I flew in with fat 6.00x6s and a faux Army Air Corps trainer paint scheme, along with a 'worn but comfortable' look about the airplane. I felt sort of like a short, grizzled old man with a gimpy leg, couple of days' growth of beard, and a smelly cigar walking into a Starbucks in San Francisco. Fortunately Kevin didn't say anything and even let me park Scout next to Fat Bottomed Girl. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432106#432106 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
Date: Oct 20, 2014
Hmmm..... Why not buy one of those antique galvanized wash tubs the size of that seat. Anybody wants a ride their butt has to fit in the tub. Too big--too bad. :-) Now if they're just a little bit too big, well, they're stuck in the tub and can't go flying anyway. Clif "Sitting still is highly dangerous." (James A. Levine > the problem I was having was with my feet hitting the sides of his rear - > now maybe my size 11's are just that big. but if it happens again I'm > thinking about some type seat pan up there that would hold the sitter in > front in just enough to clear the insides of my feet. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 20, 2014
Subject: Re: KLHM Open House
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Oscar, I've seen Kevin's Fat Bottom Girl. She was (and, no doubt, will be again) absolutely gorgeous. But I've seen Scout, too. There aren't many airplanes anywhere that are as charming as Scout. Every snowflake is unique. There all special in their own way. Cheers, Ken On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:07 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Gary; > > I have experienced some of the same feeling the one and only time I took > Scout to a fly-in. Kevin Purtee had gotten there before I did, so > onlookers had seen his airplane with its spoked wheels and motorcycle > tires, trim lines, sharp workmanship, and all the rest. Then I flew in > with fat 6.00x6s and a faux Army Air Corps trainer paint scheme, along with > a 'worn but comfortable' look about the airplane. I felt sort of like a > short, grizzled old man with a gimpy leg, couple of days' growth of beard, > and a smelly cigar walking into a Starbucks in San Francisco. Fortunately > Kevin didn't say anything and even let me park Scout next to Fat Bottomed > Girl. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432106#432106 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Selling my Piet project
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Date: Oct 21, 2014
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From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
Date: Oct 22, 2014
This front seat thread makes me think about something that happened to me in my J3 Cub. Several years ago I was giving a woman from our church a ride. You have to know that she was one of those pear shaped ladies and was a little wide across the beam. I struggled to get her in and belted down. Of course her hung over the seat a lot. I cranked the engine and slid in the back as the Cub was just starting to move. I got my seatbelt on and started to turn onto the runway when she tried to twist around in the front seat and was swinging both her arms wildly in my direction. From all I could tell, she was trying to hit me!. I stopped and hollered at her to see what was wrong. She screamed back so all my buddies could hear over the 85 that she was NOT that kind of girl and for me to quit rubbing her bottom. Well, the ride was over at that point. I didn't want to have her repeat that flailing once we got into the air and I needed to use the rudder with my toes do their thing. Twelve years later, I still wink at her at church sometimes just to watch her face turn a funny shade of red. Barry Davis NX973BP PS: the guys still remind me of this from time to time -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 11:54 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? --> While the majority of flights are short, if you ever plan to fly it to Brodhead and you don't live in the midwest, you can plan on some miserably long flights. I've flown mine to Brodhead 5 times, and each time requires about 13 hours flying time, each way. One year I did it all in one day (never again!). I took off from Raleigh NC just before dawn and landed at Brodhead about 20 minutes after sunset. I've done a number of cross-countries in mine (other than going to and from Brodhead), ranging from an hour and a half to five hours or more, so don't think you'll never fly more than 30 minutes. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 12:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat? --> I'm with 'tools' as far as duration of flights. Many of mine, 0.5 or so in the logbook, are just to get the airplane out, warm up the oil, and make a couple of circuits of the field to stay current and to challenge my skills. For this type of flight you won't be up long enough to feel the seat padding, the cold or heat, or much of anything else... the thrill of flight will be the dominant sensation. The next most popular type of flight that I make, anywhere from 0.5 to 1.0 in the logbook, is when I go out to survey the landscape, observe enemy movements, and sometimes to run through stalls and airmanship maneuvers. I'll make a strafing run on a freight train or suspected enemy encampment as needed to confirm Vne in a maximum dive and pull-up after dropping my bombs on the train, but mostly I'll be at 1500-2000 MSL looking at the scenery, the change of seasons, and just enjoying the airplane. For these flights, I might notice my headset 'clamping' towards the end of a flight, or I might feel a chill up my pants legs if the air is cool, or I might notice having to hold aft stick if the nose tank was full when I started- but not much else. This is Pietenpoling at its finest. The least frequent type of flight that I make is in excess of 1.0 in the logbook and can be a hop over to a nearby field for an event, or a short x-c, or in a rare instance, a "long" (for me) x-c of several fuel stops and a day or so of travel each way. On those flights, I definitely notice the seat padding, the suitability of my clothing for the weather, the CG shift as fuel burns, the tightness of the headset, and a lot of other things as the flight progresses. After about 2.0, I want to get on the ground, stretch, fuel up, check oil, and inspect the airplane. I have never flown Scout for more than about 4.0 at a time, so you iron-butt guys will have to chime in here. I can say that the angle of the seat bottom really begins to play a big part in cockpit comfort after 2.0 in the seat, or maybe it's just us slimmer pilots, because my tailbones really begin to feel the plywood seat bottom after about 90-120 minutes in the seat. There is no way for me to shift my weight onto my thighs because of the geometric relationship of the rudder bar to the pilot's seat, so I settle into the "lift and shift" weight transfer mode and tough it out after that. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432063#432063 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Making airplane noises... lower the seat?
From: "Riegerb" <rieger.brian12(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 22, 2014
bed(at)mindspring.com wrote: > This front seat thread makes me think about something that happened to me in > my J3 Cub. Several years ago I was giving a woman from our church a ride. > You have to know that she was one of those pear shaped ladies and was a > little wide across the beam. I struggled to get her in and belted down. Of > course her hung over the seat a lot. I cranked the engine and slid in the > back as the Cub was just starting to move. I got my seatbelt on and started > to turn onto the runway when she tried to twist around in the front seat and > was swinging both her arms wildly in my direction. From all I could tell, > she was trying to hit me!. I stopped and hollered at her to see what was > wrong. She screamed back so all my buddies could hear over the 85 that she > was NOT that kind of girl and for me to quit rubbing her bottom. Well, the > ride was over at that point. I didn't want to have her repeat that flailing > once we got into the air and I needed to use the rudder with my toes do > their thing. Twelve years later, I still wink at her at church sometimes > just to watch her face turn a funny shade of red. > Barry Davis > NX973BP > PS: the guys still remind me of this from time to time > > -- Hahaha! -------- riegerpietenpol.tumblr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432159#432159 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: those pilots you go to church with.......
Date: Oct 22, 2014
Oh my gosh Barry, what a GREAT story! Too bad that lady from church never got to experience what fun it would have been to experience a ride in your J3 Piper Cub! Her loss. Shame she'll never get an offer of a ride in your Piet from you! Has she lost any weight? (sorry....I should talk!) Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: The fuse is ready!
Date: Oct 25, 2014
Finished covering and painting the fuse this last week. It's a great feelin g to tighten up the landing gear turnbuckles and know all I have left is add ing the safety wire. Sent from my smartphone.

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Subject: Re: The fuse is ready!
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2014
Fantastic Jim! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Oct 25, 2014, at 6:56 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > > Finished covering and painting the fuse this last week. It's a great feeling to tighten up the landing gear turnbuckles and know all I have left is adding the safety wire. > > > > Sent from my smartphone. >
> > >
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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: The fuse is ready!
Date: Oct 25, 2014
I like the wraps on the gear! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: The fuse is ready! Finished covering and painting the fuse this last week. It's a great feeling to tighten up the landing gear turnbuckles and know all I have left is adding the safety wire. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 25, 2014
Subject: Re: The fuse is ready!
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Looks great, Jim. Gonna be purty!! Ken On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > Finished covering and painting the fuse this last week. It's a great > feeling to tighten up the landing gear turnbuckles and know all I have left > is adding the safety wire. > > > Sent from my smartphone. >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> > > http://forums.matronics.com> > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > >
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Subject: Re: The fuse is ready!
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 25, 2014
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Date: Oct 25, 2014
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Radio_Headset_Incercom Issue
I'm having an issue in my Tripacer, not the Piet, but it's a generic problem so perhaps some here knows the answer. I have a Narco MK12D radio with a Sigtronics 400 TSO intercom and I use a cheap Flightcom headset along with a BayerDynamic 400 ANR headset. I've traced all the wiring from the jacks to the intercom and from the intercom to the radio. The Mic jacks are installed with the fiber step washers. Here's the problem. If I plug the BayerDynamics into the co-pilot jacks and the Flightcoms into the pilot jacks everything works fine. Both occupants can hear each other. But if I switch them the Flightcoms mic will not work in the co-pilot jack. Any thoughts! Thanks Malcolm ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The fuse is ready!
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2014
Jim, it will just be awesome when your airplane finally takes to the air with you at the controls. Just amazing. Keep moving forward! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432273#432273 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 26, 2014
From: George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Radio_Headset_Incercom Issue
check to see if the headsets have ground connections on the earphone plugs. does the transmit function work for both headsets? Memory sludge serves up something about tan and brown=C2-wires causing this.=C2- From: "gliderx5(at)comcast.net" <gliderx5(at)comcast.net> To: Pietenpol Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radio_Headset_Incercom Issue I'm having an issue in my Tripacer, not the Piet, but it's a generic proble m so perhaps some here knows the answer. I have a Narco MK12D radio with a Sigtronics 400 TSO intercom and I use a cheap Flightcom headset along with a BayerDynamic 400 ANR headset. I've traced all the wiring from the jacks t o the intercom and from the intercom to the radio. The Mic jacks are instal led with the fiber step washers. Here's the problem. If I plug the BayerDyn amics into the co-pilot jacks and the Flightcoms into the pilot jacks every thing works fine. Both occupants can hear each other. But if I switch them the Flightcoms mic will not work in the co-pilot jack.=C2- Any thoughts! Thanks Malcolm ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The fuse is ready!
From: "Riegerb" <rieger.brian12(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2014
Beauty! -------- riegerpietenpol.tumblr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432277#432277 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Placards and Markings
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 26, 2014
Ken; I forgot to post my ASI range numbers. I took a look at the airspeed indicator and here are the range markings on Scout: green arc, Vs to Vno, is from 32 to 80 MPH. Yellow arc, Vno to Vne, is from 80 to 96 MPH. As you know, my airplane has an A75 and performs quite conventionally. Off-topic, are you anywhere near the Denver airport? We changed planes there two weeks ago and forgot my wife's MacBook Pro in the United terminal at one of the gates. We put in a lost & found claim but it's been right at two weeks and nothing has shown up. However, we used "Find My Mac" on iCloud and it shows that the computer has not been opened or logged in to the internet since we misplaced it, so it's probably sitting on a shelf somewhere in the United lost & found. It is set to lock and then to show a message on the screen offering a reward for its return (we just want the pictures back, not necessarily the computer)- but nothing has been touched so we're still in hopes that it's sitting there. We've changed all the necessary passwords and accounts... nothing is amiss in two weeks. I have found out by calling every conceivable phone number for United customer service, our United Club concierge, and the Denver airport that the only way I can speak directly to someone with United at Denver is to physically go there. If anybody is near there who might be able to help, there is a reward for its return and it's more than just the price of a burger and a tank of gas. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432307#432307 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 26, 2014
Subject: Pietenpol CorVenture
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Folks, this was a milestone weekend. Below are links to a couple short videos of the initial engine starts of my Corvair powered Pietenpol. It was a beautiful day yeserday in northern Colorado, made even better by the sounds of six cylinders working in harmony. Some of you will recognize Rick Holland in the videos checking for leaks. None were found. The engine stayed dry as a bone. Cheers, Ken First Run: http://youtu.be/zvz4HFPtaWs Second Run: http://youtu.be/LI9agqoTPos ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol CorVenture
From: "regchief" <kbosley(at)comcast.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2014
Sounds great Ken. I hope someday to come up to northern Colorado and see it. Kelly Bosley Pueblo, Co Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432328#432328 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol CorVenture
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 26, 2014
Ken; What joy! That thing looks to be running silky-smooth in the videos! The sound is of a very smooth, very even, happy engine. Apparently your Swiss silencers are quite effective as well. Looking forward to reports on taxi testing, which from all appearances should be quite soon. Congratulations! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432329#432329 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol CorVenture
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2014
Very nice Ken, congrats! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Oct 26, 2014, at 7:19 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > > Folks, this was a milestone weekend. Below are links to a couple short vi deos of the initial engine starts of my Corvair powered Pietenpol. It was a beautiful day yeserday in northern Colorado, made even better by the sounds of six cylinders working in harmony. Some of you will recognize Rick Holla nd in the videos checking for leaks. None were found. The engine stayed dr y as a bone. Cheers, Ken > > First Run: http://youtu.be/zvz4HFPtaWs > > Second Run: http://youtu.be/LI9agqoTPos > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol CorVenture
From: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 27, 2014
Wow Ken Congrats! Huge milestone! How many years to get to this point?=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com >=0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Sun, Oct 26, 2014 7:22 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol CorVenture=0A=0A =0AFolks, this was a milestone weekend. Below are links to a couple short videos of the initial engine starts of my C orvair powered Pietenpol. It was a beautiful day yeserday i n northern Colorado, made even better by the sounds of six cylinders working in harmony. Some of you will recognize Ri ck Holland in the videos checking for leaks. None were fo und. The engine stayed dry as a bone. Cheers, Ken=0A=0A=0A First Run: http://youtu.be/zvz4HFPtaWs=0A=0A=0A=0ASecond Run: http://you =========================== =========================== =========================== -Matt Dralle =========================== ========0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Ken's runup
Date: Oct 27, 2014
CONGRATULATIONS KEN!! I give you joy on quite an accomplishment. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: PhotoBombed Frank's Big Piet Video
Date: Oct 27, 2014
I saw Frank Metcalfe flying His Big Piet last night and knew he was using his GoPro. I couldn't resist the PhotoBomb with my Cub. Barry NX973BP ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2014
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol CorVenture
Hi Ken, It sounds very good; congratulations. Also I really like the cowling and am planning on doing mine very much like it and Gary/Shad Bells. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Barry Davis photo bombing and Ken Bickers big milestone!

Date: Oct 27, 2014
What a great shot Barry!!! You guys look like you're having a great time . Frank has one nice looking Piet too. Great news on your Corvair engine run Ken and nice to see Rick Holland in t he mix! What a great feeling that must be to have your first and second engine runs under your belt. Lo oked and sounded good too! Mike C. [cid:image002.jpg(at)01CFF1EE.1C5867E0]X973BP ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol CorVenture
Date: Oct 27, 2014
Sounds great =93 and Hello to Rick (I still covet the view from his back yard) Barry NX973BP From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol CorVenture Folks, this was a milestone weekend. Below are links to a couple short videos of the initial engine starts of my Corvair powered Pietenpol. It was a beautiful day yeserday in northern Colorado, made even better by the sounds of six cylinders working in harmony. Some of you will recognize Rick Holland in the videos checking for leaks. None were found. The engine stayed dry as a bone. Cheers, Ken First Run: <http://youtu.be/zvz4HFPtaWs> http://youtu.be/zvz4HFPtaWs Second Run: http://youtu.be/LI9agqoTPos ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Steel-tube fuselage update - Cabaine struts...
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2014
Hello good Piet-ple, A quick update to share some progress on my project. My welder (Mike from Ready Weld) stopped by a couple times last week to apply some talent to the cabaine struts and center-section fittings. I have run the W&B numbers and decided to weld the cabaine struts in the 90 degree vertical position. I will fine tune the weight and balance in ways other than adjusting the struts. In this way, the cabaine struts are SOLID structure for the "I hope it never happens" putting it on her back situation..... but if it does happen I want a rigid structure to protect me and my pax. Hope all if you are enjoying fall - or what WE Pietenpol folks describe as "plane building season." (The summer has way too many distractions!) Regards, Jake P.S. I built my center-section 42" wide so I can carry more gas in the overhead. This should eliminate the need for a second, header tank. -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432371#432371 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cabaine_struts_481.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Steel-tube fuselage update - Cabaine struts...
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2014
She's a beauty, Jake! Looking very nice. Good logic with the extended centersection in order to eliminate a header tank. Gravity never stops working and simpler is better. With the reduced rolling resistance you'll get with those ultra-skinny tires, I'll bet you already have enough lift from just the centersection to get you up to takeoff speed and in ground effect! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432373#432373 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: advice on trim mechanism
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2014
Folks; I'm not trying to shoot down anyone's favorite trim actuation setup, just passing along another data point for consideration. On the way to the Copperstate Fly-In this past weekend, a friend's Super Cub with a Bowden-cable actuated trim tab on the elevator had the cable break at the trim tab. The tab immediately went into a violent flutter and acted as a servo tab, which set the elevator into flutter sympathetically. My friend said that he thought the engine had blown or that he had lost a prop blade, the vibration was so violent. Changes in airspeed and power setting didn't change anything so he realized that it wasn't the engine. His passenger had the presence of mind to suggest that he lower the flaps, and that seemed to blank some of the airflow over the tail and diminish the frequency of the flutter enough to where they limped about 30 miles to an airport. Upon inspection, the Bowden cable was found to have a brittle fracture between the point where it emerged from the outer sheath and the point where it attached to the tab, and the wire was extremely work-hardened. This airplane is a complete restoration with less than 300 hours on it, and my friend is an A&P. He's replacing the Bowden cable setup with an electric trim servo. Just passing along this information, and I see that the way the "Big Piet" guys have theirs set up, the amount of wire outside the sheath is about as short as it can be while still providing effective trim tab travel. Shorter is better, given my friend's experience on his Super Cub. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432378#432378 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: advice on trim mechanism
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 28, 2014
Oscar, Thank you for this information. Being a tech counselor I like having these stories available for discussion with the builder I meet with. I am very happy to hear that the fella this happened to managed to land safely. Flutter will usually take a plane out of the sky. I will be looking in this area of the trim systems a lot more carefully because of your post. Thanks again Oscar, Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432398#432398 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The fuse is ready!
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 28, 2014
So Very Nice -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432399#432399 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol CorVenture
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Oct 28, 2014
Ken, Congratulations. It looks and sounds great. Perhaps you'll get the first flight in this fall. The best time of the year for flying in my opinion anyway. I too like the sound of the exhaust. Can't wait to see it in the air. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432401#432401 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: advice on trim mechanism
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Oct 28, 2014
The trim tab on the Lark glider our club used to own, an d also the one on our towplane are both moved via double bowden cables, one top and one bottom so that most of the actuating is done in tension. That arrangement also provides r edundancy in case one cable breaks. =0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0A=0A=0A=0A -----Original Message-----=0AFrom: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.or g>=0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Tue, Oct 28, 2014 8:52 am=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: advice on trim S" =0A=0AOscar,=0A=0AThank you for this info rmation. Being a tech counselor I like having these =0Astor ies available for discussion with the builder I meet with. I am very happy =0Ato hear that the fella this happened to managed to land safely. Flutter will =0Ausually take a p lane out of the sky. I will be looking in this area o f the trim =0Asystems a lot more carefully because of your post. =0A=0AThanks again Oscar,=0A=0ACheers,=0A=0A--------=0AScott Liefe ld=0AFlying N11MS since March 1972=0ASteel Tube=0AC-85-12=0AWire Whe els=0ABrodhead in 1996=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432398#432398=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== =========================== ========================0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 28, 2014
Subject: Ferry tank for Oskkosh
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
You could use this to fly to europe in you Pietenpol! http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-GAL-HUMAN-FORM-AIRCRAFT-FERRY-TANK-CESSNA-PIPER- BEECHCRAFT/231351659235?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D 222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D26942%26meid%3D55a8a3f8ed5148eb89e 49455f6a955bf%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D11184%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D171493 639363&rt=nc -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh
Date: Oct 28, 2014
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Subject: Varnish
From: "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2014
I am completing construction of my Vertical Stabilizer. Should I varnish the entire stabilizer? Is there an issue with applying the covering later over varnish? -------- Harv, 485PB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432454#432454 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Varnish
Date: Oct 29, 2014
Yes, everything should be varnished - not just the vertical stabilizer but all wood on the entire airplane. This is the only way to prevent dry rot. As for covering over varnish, it depends on which covering process you are using. If using the Stits PolyFiber process, Poly-Tak can lift some varnishes. They recommend using their Epoxy Varnish. I used it all over the airplane. It's expensive but is darned near bulletproof once it is cured. I can't speak to other covering systems, such as Stewart. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Plummer Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:44 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish I am completing construction of my Vertical Stabilizer. Should I varnish the entire stabilizer? Is there an issue with applying the covering later over varnish? -------- Harv, 485PB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432454#432454 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2014
Subject: Re: Varnish
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Is there a Lowes or Home depot Aviation department varnish that is acceptable? Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2014
Subject: Re: Varnish
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Steve, the answer will depend on what covering system you choose to use. I had decided many years ago to use the Stewart System. It works happily with the one-part spar varnishes that you will find at Home Depot or Lowes. If you are going with the Stits-Polyfiber system, you'll need something that isn't effected by MEK. That means a two-part epoxy varnish, such as the product sold as part of that system. Ken On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Steven Dortch wrote: > Is there a Lowes or Home depot Aviation department varnish that is > acceptable? > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2014
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Varnish
Steve, I did a test "coupon" using Minwax polyurethane spar varnish. The article I read, I believe by Ron Alexander, said to wet a rag with MEK and let it soak on the coupon (piece of spruce with coats of spar varnish) and check it after 30 minutes. If it hasn't attacked the varnish, it's OK to use. I covered my wings using Polytak over the spar varnish a couple of years ago and it seems to be OK although I haven't flown it yet. I'm painting with latex. I would say that whatever varnish you use, be sure to fill the grain. I didn't do this on my fuselage and mildew formed in the grain crevices. Of course it's pretty humid here in SE Texas and maybe you won't have that problem, but I had to scrub it clean and add additional coats of varnish. Also remember the wood that the fabric never touches can be regular varnish but even there I would use polyurethane. Regards, John -----Original Message----- From: Steven Dortch Sent: Oct 29, 2014 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Is there a Lowes or Home depot Aviation department varnish that is acceptable? Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ferry tank for Oskkosh
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2014
Those tip tanks are definitely not from a T-33. If they were, however, you could have about 450 US gallons of fuel available. At cruise power with the A65, that's over 100 hours of cruise flight. At an average of 65 MPH (no wind), that's quite a range... 6,500 statute miles. It's only about 3,000 statute from the UK to Maine. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here:

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