Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-nw
November 28, 2014 - December 22, 2014
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>> Boatright
>> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:42 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ?
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>> aerocarjake wrote:
>>> Ray,
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>>> I shot lots of photos of the Port Townsend Aero Museum's Sky Scout -
>> including lots of details/closeups. I could put them on a flash drive
>> and send it to you if you get me your address.....
>>
>>
>> Hi Jake,
>>
>> I don't know if your internet connection allows you to upload them (in
>> terms of time, cost, or other limits), but have you considered sending
>> them to Chris Tracy at www.westcoastpiet.com? This would allow a
>> semi-permanent archiving and access for many of us.
>>
>> westcoastpiet(at)westcoastpiet.com
>>
>> Maybe Chris has an ftp site or something like dropbox that you can
>> upload the images efficiently to.
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>> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Pietenpol project For Sale |
| From: | "GrantZ" <grantz5906(at)aol.com> |
Started my Pietenpol last November but have decided to sell my project. After
much consideration, it looks like the Pietenpol will not fit my flying needs.
Status of the project is:
The fuselage is framed up, bottom attached, seat backs and bottom framing installed.
Firewall and other bulkheads cut but not installed.
Wing center section about 90% done, right wing panel about 80% done. Riblett 613.5
airfoil. All ribs completed. Have spars for left wing panel prepped and ready
for ribs.
Horizontal and vertical stabs, elevators and rudder are ready for varnish and hinge
installation.
Corvair motor disassembled, cleaned and case parts painted. Basically ready for
reassembly with Wm Wynne's conversion parts. Have old cylinders, rods etc
for use as cores.
I planned on the split axle landing gear so I have a set of Cleveland 6" wheels,
brakes, bolt on axles and 6.00 x 8.00 tires.
1 sheet (4ft x 8ft) each of 1/16 and 1/8 (for fuselage sides) birch aircraft plywood.
Various 4130 wing fittings completed.
If interested, please contact me off list.
Grant Ziebell
Savannah, TN
731-926-2454
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434956#434956
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Engines |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
I am fascinated by electric flight. For my weekend flying an electric motor
would be awesome. One good flight of less than an hour with a good reserve.
quieter and when you are done you just plug the plane in and go home. Don't
have to get gas.
When I deployed I did not want my wife to have to struggle with a gas mower
and all that comes with it. IE gas, oil, sparkplugs and so on. When I came
home I got used to using it and I am a convert. The big problem is usually
the batteries and you just replace them.
I will eventually buy an electric car when the prices and performance are
right. Getting a electric Chevy Suburban could be on the horizon.
My understanding is that a Pietenpol is a poor candidate for electric
power, as electric power is at this time. Too draggy. But I am willing to
be wrong.
The electric motor is much smaller and lighter but the batteries are heavy.
Having said that, you would be able to replace a heavy Model A engine and
the fuel tanks with batteries. The wings of a Piet would be perfect for
Solar cells, just to extend the range.
I fantasize about converting my old 1948 Vtail bonanza to electric. But it
is most likely too heavy.
Electric Blue Skies
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Willys Jeep Pietenpol |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Quite impressive. I really hope it pans out.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Engines |
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Engines |
It seems to me that an electric Piet is feasible--it currently would only
be limited by flight time (battery capacity).
Sure, a Piet has lots of drag, but if you look at what's being done you
can see examples like the Pipistrel electric 2-place training plane which
has a 31 lb Siemens motor which is supposedly equivalent to a 110 HP
aircraft motor, and the 3500 lb Nissan Leaf car which has amazing
acceleration, to see that electric should work in a Pietenpol once the
batteries can hold enough juice to overcome a Piet's extra drag for a
reasonable length of time. Even today, if you could live with a
single-place Piet, an hour of flight is probably possible. Some of the
new car battery packs are getting pretty compact.
--Mac in Oregon
> Same for me. There is an electric Piet project out there, but I dont
> know much about it. The may be draggy, but it is interesting that several
> of the more successful electric flying craft, so far, are based on
> ultralights. Plenty of drag there. I think that a big part of the equation
> is the mission. As you point out, an hour of flying is about what I do in
> the morning. Maybe another hour in the evening. For that mission, the
> electric solution already exists. Why dont I have one? Well, I already
> have a Piet ;) Maybe if I didnt, I sink similar money into the
> first generation ElectraFlyer and go have fun with that. Still, its
> very attractive especially as, literally today, my carb started
> leaking!! =o
>
> --
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
>
> From: Steven Dortch
> >
> Reply-To:
> "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> >
> Date: Friday, November 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> >
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines
>
> I am fascinated by electric flight. For my weekend flying an electric
> motor would be awesome. One good flight of less than an hour with a good
> reserve. quieter and when you are done you just plug the plane in and go
> home. Don't have to get gas.
>
> When I deployed I did not want my wife to have to struggle with a gas
> mower and all that comes with it. IE gas, oil, sparkplugs and so on. When
> I came home I got used to using it and I am a convert. The big problem is
> usually the batteries and you just replace them.
>
> I will eventually buy an electric car when the prices and performance are
> right. Getting a electric Chevy Suburban could be on the horizon.
>
> My understanding is that a Pietenpol is a poor candidate for electric
> power, as electric power is at this time. Too draggy. But I am willing to
> be wrong.
>
> The electric motor is much smaller and lighter but the batteries are
> heavy. Having said that, you would be able to replace a heavy Model A
> engine and the fuel tanks with batteries. The wings of a Piet would be
> perfect for Solar cells, just to extend the range.
>
> I fantasize about converting my old 1948 Vtail bonanza to electric. But it
> is most likely too heavy.
>
> Electric Blue Skies
> Steve D
>
>
> www.buildersbooks.com<http://www.buildersbooks.com>
> www.homebuilthelp.com<http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
> www.mypilotstore.com<http://www.mypilotstore.com>
>
>
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Engines |
Hey, maybe I can convert my Sky Scout at sometime in the future!
Thanks for the idea,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 28, 2014, at 7:59 PM, macz(at)peak.org wrote:
>
>
> It seems to me that an electric Piet is feasible--it currently would only
> be limited by flight time (battery capacity).
>
> Sure, a Piet has lots of drag, but if you look at what's being done you
> can see examples like the Pipistrel electric 2-place training plane which
> has a 31 lb Siemens motor which is supposedly equivalent to a 110 HP
> aircraft motor, and the 3500 lb Nissan Leaf car which has amazing
> acceleration, to see that electric should work in a Pietenpol once the
> batteries can hold enough juice to overcome a Piet's extra drag for a
> reasonable length of time. Even today, if you could live with a
> single-place Piet, an hour of flight is probably possible. Some of the
> new car battery packs are getting pretty compact.
> --Mac in Oregon
>
>
>
>
>> Same for me. There is an electric Piet project out there, but I dont
>> know much about it. The may be draggy, but it is interesting that several
>> of the more successful electric flying craft, so far, are based on
>> ultralights. Plenty of drag there. I think that a big part of the equation
>> is the mission. As you point out, an hour of flying is about what I do in
>> the morning. Maybe another hour in the evening. For that mission, the
>> electric solution already exists. Why dont I have one? Well, I already
>> have a Piet ;) Maybe if I didnt, I sink similar money into the
>> first generation ElectraFlyer and go have fun with that. Still, its
>> very attractive especially as, literally today, my carb started
>> leaking!! =o
>>
>> --
>> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
>> Professor of Ophthalmology
>> Emory University School of Medicine
>>
>> From: Steven Dortch
>> >
>> Reply-To:
>> "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
>> >
>> Date: Friday, November 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM
>> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
>> >
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines
>>
>> I am fascinated by electric flight. For my weekend flying an electric
>> motor would be awesome. One good flight of less than an hour with a good
>> reserve. quieter and when you are done you just plug the plane in and go
>> home. Don't have to get gas.
>>
>> When I deployed I did not want my wife to have to struggle with a gas
>> mower and all that comes with it. IE gas, oil, sparkplugs and so on. When
>> I came home I got used to using it and I am a convert. The big problem is
>> usually the batteries and you just replace them.
>>
>> I will eventually buy an electric car when the prices and performance are
>> right. Getting a electric Chevy Suburban could be on the horizon.
>>
>> My understanding is that a Pietenpol is a poor candidate for electric
>> power, as electric power is at this time. Too draggy. But I am willing to
>> be wrong.
>>
>> The electric motor is much smaller and lighter but the batteries are
>> heavy. Having said that, you would be able to replace a heavy Model A
>> engine and the fuel tanks with batteries. The wings of a Piet would be
>> perfect for Solar cells, just to extend the range.
>>
>> I fantasize about converting my old 1948 Vtail bonanza to electric. But it
>> is most likely too heavy.
>>
>> Electric Blue Skies
>> Steve D
>>
>>
>>
>> www.buildersbooks.com<http://www.buildersbooks.com>
>> www.homebuilthelp.com<http://www.homebuilthelp.com>
>> www.mypilotstore.com<http://www.mypilotstore.com>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
| From: | "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net> |
My 'Goldwing radiator came In the mail today and after un-packing it I noticed
it would fit behind the prop and above the prop shaft. I believe I will try it
to see if it has enough cooling ability. It will surely look cool in that spot.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434972#434972
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
OK... I'll send a flash stick and try to post them to west coast Piet. I post at
lunch from my work computer which blocks access to all large file sites. I'll
find some way that works. Finished up the wing strut ftgs today should be assembling
the whole airplane for the first time on Sunday (to measure the wing
strut lengths) so I'll post pictures soon - pretty exciting.......
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434973#434973
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
Well I finally found pics of Jim Malley's Fiesta Piet.
As you can see he has two rads beside the prop
shaft and had to add one more small one just ahead
of the landing gear.
Clif
>
> My 'Goldwing radiator came In the mail today and after un-packing it I
> noticed it would fit behind the prop and above the prop shaft. I believe
> I will try it to see if it has enough cooling ability. It will surely look
> cool in that spot.
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
OK... I'll send a flash stick and try to post them to west coast Piet. I post at
lunch from my work computer which blocks access to all large file sites. I'll
find some way that works. Finished up the wing strut ftgs today should be assembling
the whole airplane for the first time on Sunday (to measure the wing
strut lengths) so I'll post pictures soon - pretty exciting.......
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434976#434976
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| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
I'm not getting the pictures that people are sending. Is it my
computer/program or what? Chuck
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Clif Dawson wrote:
>
> Well I finally found pics of Jim Malley's Fiesta Piet.
> As you can see he has two rads beside the prop
> shaft and had to add one more small one just ahead
> of the landing gear.
>
> Clif
>
>
>> My 'Goldwing radiator came In the mail today and after un-packing it I
>> noticed it would fit behind the prop and above the prop shaft. I believe I
>> will try it to see if it has enough cooling ability. It will surely look
>> cool in that spot.
>>
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Progress in Pryor |
Finished rib tapes in the first wing panel yesterday. Moving the project fr
om my workshop (200'+ from the house) to the attached garage sure makes work
ing on it a lot more likely! Perimeter tapes today and maybe stating the pa
int tomorrow.
Life is good.
Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving. We especially give thanks for those o
f you who served our country. Thank you.
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
Jake,
Thank you so much! If sending the large file is too complicated, I will gladly
get the stick to Chris Tracy. Or, if you find a way to send the large file, that
would also work for me. I have a desk top computer I can use, if my wife will
allow it (she will)!
If you send the large file, please send it to both me and my wife at dmkrause(at)frintiernet.net.
That way, it will be sure to arrive safely. My iPad sometimes
gets cranky with larger files.
Have fun building,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 12:58 AM, aerocarjake wrote:
>
>
> OK... I'll send a flash stick and try to post them to west coast Piet. I post
at lunch from my work computer which blocks access to all large file sites. I'll
find some way that works. Finished up the wing strut ftgs today should be
assembling the whole airplane for the first time on Sunday (to measure the wing
strut lengths) so I'll post pictures soon - pretty exciting.......
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434976#434976
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Engines |
I dunno. I kind of like the "pockita pockita" sound of a Model A or a
Continental. "Whirrrr" just doesn't sound the same.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Boatright,
Jeffrey
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines
Same for me. There is an electric Piet project out there, but I don't
know
much about it. The may be draggy, but it is interesting that several of
the
more successful electric flying craft, so far, are based on ultralights.
Plenty of drag there. I think that a big part of the equation is the
mission. As you point out, an hour of flying is about what I do in the
morning. Maybe another hour in the evening. For that mission, the
electric
solution already exists. Why don't I have one? Well, I already have a
Piet.
;) Maybe if I didn't, I sink similar money into the first generation
ElectraFlyer and go have fun with that. Still, it's very attractive -
especially as, literally today, my carb started leaking!! =o
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Date: Friday, November 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines
I am fascinated by electric flight. For my weekend flying an electric
motor
would be awesome. One good flight of less than an hour with a good
reserve.
quieter and when you are done you just plug the plane in and go home.
Don't
have to get gas.
When I deployed I did not want my wife to have to struggle with a gas
mower
and all that comes with it. IE gas, oil, sparkplugs and so on. When I
came
home I got used to using it and I am a convert. The big problem is
usually
the batteries and you just replace them.
I will eventually buy an electric car when the prices and performance
are
right. Getting a electric Chevy Suburban could be on the horizon.
My understanding is that a Pietenpol is a poor candidate for electric
power,
as electric power is at this time. Too draggy. But I am willing to be
wrong.
The electric motor is much smaller and lighter but the batteries are
heavy.
Having said that, you would be able to replace a heavy Model A engine
and
the fuel tanks with batteries. The wings of a Piet would be perfect for
Solar cells, just to extend the range.
I fantasize about converting my old 1948 Vtail bonanza to electric. But
it
is most likely too heavy.
Electric Blue Skies
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Progress in Pryor |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Well Jim, the "People's Piet" looks good in pastel colored stripes ;o) Sure is
going to scare the chickens when you light off the engine though. Probably pull
the side off the barn when you hook up the fish scales, too ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435065#435065
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Dick; do you plan to put your Sky Scout on those Muktuk floats? It would likely
be the first ever to fly.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435066#435066
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Ray; this has nothing to do with a radiator from a P-51! It's kind of a slow holiday
weekend though, and I don't know about your location but Medford is low
and messy IFR so we're mostly indoors.
Don't worry about the cataract surgery- my wife had both eyes done (with a few
months between surgeries) and could not believe all that she had been missing
when she looked out through the first new lens.
You guys who are talking about going to visit Ray in Colusa, I have a favor to
ask. Gary and Chris have been most gracious to have moved and stored my little
Ultravair engine for all these months but I'm hoping that it can be shifted
over to Ray's if he'll be headed up here to Oregon to visit his son. I'll be
happy to pay fuel costs for moving it so I can get it in my hangar.
Thanks.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435067#435067
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| Subject: | Re: Progress in Pryor |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
dfwplt wrote:
> ...Moving the project from my workshop (200'+ from the house) to the attached
garage sure makes working on it a lot more likely!...
6 feet of snow and uphill both ways out and back to that workshop, eh Jim? [Wink]
Looks great and thanks for sending the photos!
Jeff
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435068#435068
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
Oscar,
This is what we'll be using to move your engine...so your offer to buy gas
is most appreciated!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ?
-->
Ray; this has nothing to do with a radiator from a P-51! It's kind of a
slow holiday weekend though, and I don't know about your location but
Medford is low and messy IFR so we're mostly indoors.
Don't worry about the cataract surgery- my wife had both eyes done (with a
few months between surgeries) and could not believe all that she had been
missing when she looked out through the first new lens.
You guys who are talking about going to visit Ray in Colusa, I have a favor
to ask. Gary and Chris have been most gracious to have moved and stored my
little Ultravair engine for all these months but I'm hoping that it can be
shifted over to Ray's if he'll be headed up here to Oregon to visit his son.
I'll be happy to pay fuel costs for moving it so I can get it in my hangar.
Thanks.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435067#435067
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Gary; if you'll be moving my engine in a twin Beech, I'll not only pay for the
gas but I'll also drive down there, help you load it up, ride right seat to go
drop it off, help you unload it, and then ride right seat back down after unloading
it ;o) I would love to get a ride in one of those.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435074#435074
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
My apologies. I'm so bad. I thought I
was so clever finding this stuff that I
forgot to paste in the link!!! So here
it is. You'll have to scroll down a bit.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=58665&start=0&postdays=
0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=39ef372d0a98a685fc403c5dd2d2b64b
Bad Clif
You cannot escape. Every day
a part of you turns to shit.
I'm not getting the pictures that people are sending. Is it my
computer/program or what? Chuck
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Engines |
Just poke a piece of cardboard into the spokes, er,
prop blades.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines
I dunno. I kind of like the "pockita pockita" sound of a Model A or a
Continental. "Whirrrr" just doesn't sound the same.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Boatright, Jeffrey
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 9:31 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines
Same for me. There is an electric Piet project out there, but I don't
know much about it. The may be draggy, but it is interesting that
several of the more successful electric flying craft, so far, are based
on ultralights. Plenty of drag there. I think that a big part of the
equation is the mission. As you point out, an hour of flying is about
what I do in the morning. Maybe another hour in the evening. For that
mission, the electric solution already exists. Why don't I have one?
Well, I already have a Piet. ;) Maybe if I didn't, I sink similar money
into the first generation ElectraFlyer and go have fun with that. Still,
it's very attractive - especially as, literally today, my carb started
leaking!! =o
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Reply-To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Friday, November 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM
To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines
I am fascinated by electric flight. For my weekend flying an
electric motor would be awesome. One good flight of less than an hour
with a good reserve. quieter and when you are done you just plug the
plane in and go home. Don't have to get gas.
When I deployed I did not want my wife to have to struggle with a
gas mower and all that comes with it. IE gas, oil, sparkplugs and so on.
When I came home I got used to using it and I am a convert. The big
problem is usually the batteries and you just replace them.
I will eventually buy an electric car when the prices and
performance are right. Getting a electric Chevy Suburban could be on the
horizon.
My understanding is that a Pietenpol is a poor candidate for
electric power, as electric power is at this time. Too draggy. But I am
willing to be wrong.
The electric motor is much smaller and lighter but the batteries are
heavy. Having said that, you would be able to replace a heavy Model A
engine and the fuel tanks with batteries. The wings of a Piet would be
perfect for Solar cells, just to extend the range.
I fantasize about converting my old 1948 Vtail bonanza to electric.
But it is most likely too heavy.
Electric Blue Skies
Steve D
www.buildersbooks.comwww.mypilotstore.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigat
or?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
Oscar,
For me, the cataract surgery may be really beneficial because I also have macular
degeneration in that eye. This will allow more light in and possibly increase
distance vision? It is dry macular degeneration and is not getting worse, so
hopefully I can keep flying for a while.
Not sure how big your Ultravair engine might be, if smaller then a cat D-9, I can
take care of it and probably get it to Medford, sometime. As you know, my grand
daughter goes to the University of Portland and we were just up there to
visit her. My grandson will be going there in the fall. So someone will be going
up there.
Glad to help you out,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 10:22 AM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> Ray; this has nothing to do with a radiator from a P-51! It's kind of a slow
holiday weekend though, and I don't know about your location but Medford is low
and messy IFR so we're mostly indoors.
>
> Don't worry about the cataract surgery- my wife had both eyes done (with a few
months between surgeries) and could not believe all that she had been missing
when she looked out through the first new lens.
>
> You guys who are talking about going to visit Ray in Colusa, I have a favor to
ask. Gary and Chris have been most gracious to have moved and stored my little
Ultravair engine for all these months but I'm hoping that it can be shifted
over to Ray's if he'll be headed up here to Oregon to visit his son. I'll be
happy to pay fuel costs for moving it so I can get it in my hangar.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435067#435067
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
Cliff,
Do you happen to know how the wing was finished on this PIET? Just clear dop
e? UV protection?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Ready to start covering SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:23 PM, Clif Dawson wrote:
>
> My apologies. I'm so bad. I thought I
> was so clever finding this stuff that I
> forgot to paste in the link!!! So here
> it is. You'll have to scroll down a bit.
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=58665&start=0&postdays=0
&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=39ef372d0a98a685fc403c5dd2d2b64b
>
> Bad Clif
>
> You cannot escape. Every day
> a part of you turns to shit.
>
> I'm not getting the pictures that people are sending. Is it my computer/p
rogram or what? Chuck
>
>
>
>
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D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3
D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3
D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3
D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Malley's Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Wow, what a beauty! Excellent workmanship, and the whole visual scheme is very
tasteful and reminiscent of the times. Great work, and great photos.
But is it just me, or is the gap between rudder and vertical stabilizer quite large?
Not at all being critical, just commenting.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435080#435080
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Progress in Pryor |
| From: | "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net> |
Looks great Jim and happy Thanks giving .
My gas tank project sucks. Worked half a day soldering all the seams when
I put water in it well you could have taken a shower under it.
I think I will cut out the parts from aluminum, rivet them together then get
a friend of my who can weld aluminum to put it together
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
No, sorry. There was an article in Kitplanes, I think.
With this nasty move I'm involved in my home has
turned into a house full of box's. That mag is in one of
them. Somewhere. The paint info is probably in that
article.
Well, at least da plane has found a home.
Clif
Cliff,
Do you happen to know how the wing was finished on this PIET? Just
clear dope? UV protection?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Ready to start covering SkyScout
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
It was Jim's Piet that inspired my build.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:23 PM, "Clif Dawson" wrote:
>
> My apologies. I'm so bad. I thought I
> was so clever finding this stuff that I
> forgot to paste in the link!!! So here
> it is. You'll have to scroll down a bit.
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=58665&start=0&postdays=0
&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=39ef372d0a98a685fc403c5dd2d2b64b
>
> Bad Clif
>
> You cannot escape. Every day
> a part of you turns to shit.
>
> I'm not getting the pictures that people are sending. Is it my computer/p
rogram or what? Chuck
>
>
>
>
3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
What is the cylinder that's sticking out of the top left of the cowling?
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem
On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:15 AM, "Jack" > wrote:
It was Jim's Piet that inspired my build.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:23 PM, "Clif Dawson" > wrote:
My apologies. I'm so bad. I thought I
was so clever finding this stuff that I
forgot to paste in the link!!! So here
it is. You'll have to scroll down a bit.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=58665&start=0&postdays=0&
postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=39ef372d0a98a685fc403c5dd2d2b64b
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You cannot escape. Every day
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I'm not getting the pictures that people are sending. Is it my computer/pr
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Radiator from a P-51 ? |
...Oscar calls his bluff...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 2:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Radiator from a P-51 ?
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Gary; if you'll be moving my engine in a twin Beech, I'll not only pay for
the gas but I'll also drive down there, help you load it up, ride right seat
to go drop it off, help you unload it, and then ride right seat back down
after unloading it ;o) I would love to get a ride in one of those.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435074#435074
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Malley's Piet |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Second the beautiful plane AND photos - wow....!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435096#435096
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Malley's Piet |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
What is the cylinder that's sticking out of the top left of the cowling?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435097#435097
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| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
Thanks, Cliff. You should never move after you turn fifty, too much stuff! J
ust airplane stuff is OK.
RAY Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 10:52 PM, Clif Dawson wrote:
>
> No, sorry. There was an article in Kitplanes, I think.
> With this nasty move I'm involved in my home has
> turned into a house full of box's. That mag is in one of
> them. Somewhere. The paint info is probably in that
> article.
> Well, at least da plane has found a home.
>
> Clif
> Cliff,
>
> Do you happen to know how the wing was finished on this PIET? Just clear d
ope? UV protection?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
> Ready to start covering SkyScout
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Engines |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Besides the sound of a "for real" engine vs. an electric motor, there is also the
smell. I'm in a building of T-hangars and the hangar immediately behind mine
is home to a Beech Duke. He will sometimes pull it straight out and start
up the engines, and since the prop blast then goes through his hangar and into
mine I get to enjoy the smell of burned avgas for a minute or so. It's a smell
that I associate with airplanes, airports, and flying- and it is pleasant and
distinctive. Every now and then I can smell it when I stick my head down into
the front cockpit of my airplane after we've been flying, too.
I can't imagine an electric motor ever making the beautiful blue cloud of smoke
that a radial does when it lights off, either. If it does, it has reached TBO
or the electric motor equivalent of it ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435181#435181
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hey Oscar,
Yes I am going to do that and it is also getting wheels and skiis for the
winter, I have one more session to go in putting together my corvair
engine, I am slowly working on everything trying hard not to be in a hurry,
with the weather in St Paul that's not hard, plus working on my broken
hangar door.
Dick N
----- Original Message -----
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
>
> Dick; do you plan to put your Sky Scout on those Muktuk floats? It would
> likely be the first ever to fly.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435066#435066
>
>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Honda Goldwing radiator |
Air cleaner. That's the one thing I think possibly
could have been done a little more airplaney.
Clif
What is the cylinder that's sticking out of the top left of the
cowling?
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Malley's Piet |
Hmmmmm... maybe. But with the 'white' paint that could
be an illusion.
Clif
> But is it just me, or is the gap between rudder and vertical stabilizer
> quite large? Not at all being critical, just commenting.
> Oscar Zuniga
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Malley's Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I guess you're right... I just looked at one that I happen to have a side-on photo
of, Chris Rusch's "MitsuPietshi" and it looks like the gap is about the same.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435200#435200
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/chrisr_163.jpg
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Jim Malley Kitplanes article. |
I have that article and would be glad to make copies if anyone wants them. Please
contact me off list. Jim in Pryor
Sent from my smartphone.
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| Subject: | "The Eagle has wings...!" |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Hello good Piet-ple,
OK, that's an Apollo 11 quote but it seems appropriate...!
Assembled all the major structural components for the first time yesterday. Now
only a couple more years to go...!!!!
I had three friends help with the wing panels and bolts - in 35 degree weather
- THANK YOU to (L-R) Mike, Ron and Brian. (Brian is also building a Pietenpol
in the Seattle area!)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435208#435208
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_first_assy_1_267.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_first_assy_2_179.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_first_assy_3_117.jpg
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Malley Kitplanes article. |
Jim,
I sure enjoyed seeing the progress on your plane, the covering really looks great.
That will be my next job this winter, looking forward to it. Keep building,
the winter is meant for building airplanes, especially when you don't have to
even go outside to do it.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 1, 2014, at 3:55 AM, Jim Markle wrote:
>
>
> I have that article and would be glad to make copies if anyone wants them. Please
contact me off list. Jim in Pryor
>
> Sent from my smartphone.
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | "The Eagle has wings...!" |
Beautiful! Your wheels are even skinnier than mine!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 8:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "The Eagle has wings...!"
-->
Hello good Piet-ple,
OK, that's an Apollo 11 quote but it seems appropriate...!
Assembled all the major structural components for the first time yesterday.
Now only a couple more years to go...!!!!
I had three friends help with the wing panels and bolts - in 35 degree
weather - THANK YOU to (L-R) Mike, Ron and Brian. (Brian is also building a
Pietenpol in the Seattle area!)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435208#435208
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_first_assy_1_267.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_first_assy_2_179.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_first_assy_3_117.jpg
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| Subject: | West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Well, it looks like I will have to sell my Piet project instead of moving it to
Tennessee. Sad day, but I will move my jigs and will keep the plans. I just can't
afford to store it here, and we could use the money for moving expenses.
The project is located in Fresno CA.
It is a framed fuse with the side door modification. I made the fuse 2" deeper
at the rear seat (I'm 6'4" tall and wanted to sit a bit deeper in the fuse), 2"
wider from the nose to the rear seat, and 2" longer at the firewall to compensate
some for the lighter Corvair motor.
It has 2 coats of varnish over most of the fuse (underneath some of the struts
it will need varnish) so another coat and you're ready to start mounting metal!
I thought I had pics of it in it's current configuration, but I don't. It is
in storage in Fresno, and currently I'm in TN.
I built it well, as I planned on putting my life in it's rear seat one day.
Speaking of metal, the control sticks, and rudder pedal assemblies are made and
ready to mount when the varnish is completed.
Looking for $500, and it's worth it. I will keep the plans for when I start here
on version 2!
I need to move on this pretty quick, so if you're interested, contact me below.
I plan to be moved and settled before the end of the year...
Mark Roberts
615-487-9784
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435212#435212
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
bummer... I had to step aside from the first Piet I started many years ago. It
made me all the more happy to get back to a project later. Hope it finds a good
home and a new life....
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435213#435213
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| Subject: | Re: "The Eagle has wings...!" |
| From: | "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net> |
Very Impressive... I love the lines of the fuselage to that beautiful radial engine.
What a nice job!!!!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435214#435214
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, it is no fun. Building is fun. Parting with what you built with love and care
is no fun :( But, it helps to know others have "been there, done that!"
Thanks!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435215#435215
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| Subject: | Re: "The Eagle has wings...!" |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
The Pietenpol is all about reducing drag - ha!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435216#435216
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
Mark,
I'm very sorry to hear that you need to abandon the project, but most
definitely can identify. Aviation loses a lot of flavor when a person is
financially challenged...I know that feeling all too well.
Fall back, recoup, keep the dream!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 10:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
-->
Well, it looks like I will have to sell my Piet project instead of moving it
to Tennessee. Sad day, but I will move my jigs and will keep the plans. I
just can't afford to store it here, and we could use the money for moving
expenses. The project is located in Fresno CA.
It is a framed fuse with the side door modification. I made the fuse 2"
deeper at the rear seat (I'm 6'4" tall and wanted to sit a bit deeper in the
fuse), 2" wider from the nose to the rear seat, and 2" longer at the
firewall to compensate some for the lighter Corvair motor.
It has 2 coats of varnish over most of the fuse (underneath some of the
struts it will need varnish) so another coat and you're ready to start
mounting metal! I thought I had pics of it in it's current configuration,
but I don't. It is in storage in Fresno, and currently I'm in TN.
I built it well, as I planned on putting my life in it's rear seat one day.
Speaking of metal, the control sticks, and rudder pedal assemblies are made
and ready to mount when the varnish is completed.
Looking for $500, and it's worth it. I will keep the plans for when I start
here on version 2!
I need to move on this pretty quick, so if you're interested, contact me
below. I plan to be moved and settled before the end of the year...
Mark Roberts
615-487-9784
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435212#435212
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Gary! You know too well what junk I've been through in Fresno with stinking
Job layoffs! I had to get out of CA, and this Nashville job popped up and
seemed to be divine intervention. Until today I have maintained that I was moving
the project. But, I have had to look at it like I was talking to Dave Ramsey,
the financial guy on the radio... the cost and the storage (not having a
garage here or workshop) would quickly eat up the eventual replacement cost to
just rebuild it.
So... (sniff) it's available to someone that will finish her. Better if they are
slightly oversized like me :D
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435218#435218
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I can store it indefinitely just south of chatt tn if that works for ya.
I also have my Piet there flying, if you want to come down some day and get a ride
or something. Also welcome to come visit in February when I'll be having
a lot of Piet enthusiasts over for a weekend working on projects.
There are several old woodworking machine enthusiasts in Nashville that are coming
as well. All very talented woodworkers with very nice shops and tools, good
guys to know.
Tools. 423 580 1383
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
Mark,
Keep me in mind if you don't get a response. I'm building a Sky Scout with an A-65.
The wing is the same, as well as the tail structures. I might be able to
use your fuselage to convert to an Air Camper configuration in the future. Would
be nice to go back and forth.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Colusa, CA, Just a few hours North
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 1, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Gary! You know too well what junk I've been through in Fresno with stinking
Job layoffs! I had to get out of CA, and this Nashville job popped up
and seemed to be divine intervention. Until today I have maintained that I was
moving the project. But, I have had to look at it like I was talking to Dave
Ramsey, the financial guy on the radio... the cost and the storage (not having
a garage here or workshop) would quickly eat up the eventual replacement cost
to just rebuild it.
>
> So... (sniff) it's available to someone that will finish her. Better if they
are slightly oversized like me :D
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435218#435218
>
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| Subject: | Re: "The Eagle has wings...!" |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Oh, now why didn't you remind me that you were using a radial? LOVE IT!!! What
a beautiful assembly! It will definitely NOT be a matter of years till it flies.
All you have now is covering, finishing, and paperwork and it'll be ready
to fire up and taxi test! Summer 2015...
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435224#435224
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| Subject: | Re: "The Eagle has wings...!" |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jake; also curious to know roughly how much weight is on the tail stand when you
set it up in the 3-point attitude with that radial on the nose (is that an R2800
Rotec Radial?)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Toolstock date change. 26 Feb - 1 mar |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Should increase the odds of good weather... The runway is in good shape, got some
landings in yesterday.
Should have more home building mentors there this year.
Cheers,
Tools
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Wow, what a gorgeous plane!!
Maybe flying this year??
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Guys!
I will keep ya'll in mind as I move forward.
I'd still like to move it, but if I can't sell before I move, and moving it is
too expensive, then I can probably store it at a friend's warehouse there in Fresno,
and continue to market it. Or, the heaven's open up and I get a way to
move it here eventually :D
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
It's a standing offer, and free if it wasn't obvious. Just let me know if/when/how
I can help.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Bless you brother! I appreciate that, and hope to meet before too long. I love
Tennessee so far, and hope to make it my home for good!
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the positive comments/feedback - it really helps....
OK, so I dont really want to make a list or have a schedule (that would feel too
much like WORK) but......
I have remaining (in no particular order): build a fuel tank from scratch, build
an oil tank from scratch, build the wing struts, build the jury struts and
all connections, build the aileron horns, revise the ailerons to piano hinges,
complete the landing-gear/springs structure, add brackets to hold the brake calipers
in position on the landing-gear legs, complete the secondary structure
for the center section, complete the internal bracing in the wings, build the
sheet-metal engine cowling(!), get upholstery done for the two seats, purchase/install
the engine instruments & XPDR & COM, do all the engine accessory installations(!),
complete the tail-wheel assembly mounts, get the wheel rims drilled
to match the hubs & have the wheel assemblies powder coated and then spoke-laced,
wire/plumb all the instruments, have "Applied Finishing" in Seattle sand-blast
and paint the fuselage truss, build the windscreens, build/install the
throttle quadrant, create the VOR and ELT antenna mounts, have "Columbia Airmotive"
make the remaining control cables, make the control cables for the wing
bracing, create and run all the fuel systems, complete the wiring, order the
propeller from ROTEC, cover the structure, paint the airplane, and then I should
be fairly close!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Don't forget the W&B Jake. Outstanding work!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Dec 2, 2014, at 11:43 AM, "aerocarjake" wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the positive comments/feedback - it really helps....
>
> OK, so I dont really want to make a list or have a schedule (that would feel
too much like WORK) but......
>
> I have remaining (in no particular order): build a fuel tank from scratch, build
an oil tank from scratch, build the wing struts, build the jury struts and
all connections, build the aileron horns, revise the ailerons to piano hinges,
complete the landing-gear/springs structure, add brackets to hold the brake
calipers in position on the landing-gear legs, complete the secondary structure
for the center section, complete the internal bracing in the wings, build the
sheet-metal engine cowling(!), get upholstery done for the two seats, purchase/install
the engine instruments & XPDR & COM, do all the engine accessory installations(!),
complete the tail-wheel assembly mounts, get the wheel rims drilled
to match the hubs & have the wheel assemblies powder coated and then spoke-laced,
wire/plumb all the instruments, have "Applied Finishing" in Seattle
sand-blast and paint the fuselage truss, build the windscreens, build/install
the throttle quadrant, create the VOR and ELT antenna!
> mounts, have "Columbia Airmotive" make the remaining control cables, make the
control cables for the wing bracing, create and run all the fuel systems, complete
the wiring, order the propeller from ROTEC, cover the structure, paint
the airplane, and then I should be fairly close!
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435242#435242
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "The Eagle has wings...!" |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
thx.... I have not yet finished the leading edge of the center section - which
will just be "normal secondary structure" not a fuel tank in the leading edge
area. I will have a center section tank - without a header tank - which is why
I made my center section wider than plans. I might have a small storage area
BEHIND the rear spar of the center section...?!??
I don't have too many weight numbers yet. I was going to do some W&B measurements
after we did the strut work this past weekend - but it was 35 degrees so I
thought that could wait. (Didn't want to "push it" with my help on a chilly day!)
See a related post for project the "next steps"... :-)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Yep, I have done some "high level" W&B already.....
.....also can't forget the EAA Tech Visits (one scheduled in a couple weeks and
with additional visits as I get closer to flight)
.....and the ever phunn FAA paperwork. (It will be registered: N507N )
Oh, and the flying to get my skills up.
....and the "secret" nose art :-)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Pietenpol in Print |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
The December issue of Sport Aviation features an article on the Allen Rudolph Piet.
Even made the cover.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | for you Continental guys |
Infidels, countrymen, Piet enthusiasts,
Received some refurbished parts back from Aircraft Engine & Accessory
http://www.aea-precision.com/ this week for my A-65 major overhaul and th
e
gent who helped me refurbish my original engine told me that the connecting
rod bolts
and nuts are a one-time use item. I had forgotten that.
Originally I asked Greg at AEA to magnaflux the rod bolts and nuts so I cou
ld reuse them and
that is when he told me they never reuse rod bolts on any aircraft engine.
Nice to know.
I used new rod bolts in my original engine rebuilt but thought I could get
away with reusing these.....
not a good idea!
Mike C.
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | for you Continental guys |
I remember that someone on this list had rod bolts at a good price and were
taking some to Brodhead. Maybe they will read this and repost them for sale.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 12:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: for you Continental guys
Infidels, countrymen, Piet enthusiasts,
Received some refurbished parts back from Aircraft Engine & Accessory
http://www.aea-precision.com/ this week for my A-65 major overhaul and the
gent who helped me refurbish my original engine told me that the connecting
rod bolts
and nuts are a one-time use item. I had forgotten that.
Originally I asked Greg at AEA to magnaflux the rod bolts and nuts so I
could reuse them and
that is when he told me they never reuse rod bolts on any aircraft engine.
Nice to know.
I used new rod bolts in my original engine rebuilt but thought I could get
away with reusing these...
not a good idea!
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol in Print |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Cool...!!!
I've been pinging EAA with feedback to return a greater focus on HOMEBUILTS.
I'm just one voice in the wind but apparently I am not the only one who feels this
way as they have had LOTS of similar requests.
Lately SPORT AVIATION feels like reading FLYING magazine (not surprising as EAA
hired their editor) and if I wanted to read FLYING magazine I would buy FLYING
magazine. I want to read about HOMEBUILTS...!
IMHO
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Federal Aviation Skis for sale |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
A friend in my EAA chapter, who recently moved to TX from IL, has a MINT set of
Federal Aviation Skis from the early to mid 1940's.
These are the correct skis for J-3's, along with many other 2 seat aircraft from
the period. Model # for the skis is 1500.
Skis of this period had no wheels, therefore, one needs to have snow in order to
take off / land...
When I get a chance, we'll take pictures and post them here, unless someone jumps
on them right away.
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: Federal Aviation Skis for sale |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
I want!!! For my Piet!
On Dec 3, 2014 3:27 PM, "tkreiner" wrote:
>
> A friend in my EAA chapter, who recently moved to TX from IL, has a MINT
> set of Federal Aviation Skis from the early to mid 1940's.
>
> These are the correct skis for J-3's, along with many other 2 seat
> aircraft from the period. Model # for the skis is 1500.
>
> Skis of this period had no wheels, therefore, one needs to have snow in
> order to take off / land...
>
> When I get a chance, we'll take pictures and post them here, unless
> someone jumps on them right away.
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Federal Aviation Skis for sale |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
I have large dia. Axles..(Super Cub?), but I think spacers available
On Dec 3, 2014 3:27 PM, "tkreiner" wrote:
>
> A friend in my EAA chapter, who recently moved to TX from IL, has a MINT
> set of Federal Aviation Skis from the early to mid 1940's.
>
> These are the correct skis for J-3's, along with many other 2 seat
> aircraft from the period. Model # for the skis is 1500.
>
> Skis of this period had no wheels, therefore, one needs to have snow in
> order to take off / land...
>
> When I get a chance, we'll take pictures and post them here, unless
> someone jumps on them right away.
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Flying and Sport Aviation |
Glad you have been pinging EAA Jake about their publication becoming more a
nd more like Flying.
I went round and round with J. Mac McClellan via e-mail a few months ago af
ter one of his articles in Sport Aviation
made the ridiculous claim that basic VFR navigation using a sectional and a
track were pretty much a waste anymore.
We spit nickels back and forth for a while so perhaps EAA is hearing that w
e don't believe the publication should be
what it was starting to become.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and Sport Aviation |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Good stuff Mike..... You must be one of the myriad of folks who have been relaying
those comments. I know there is much more to EAA than homebuilts but that
should always (IMHO) be their core.....!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol in Print |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
You are not the only person who feels this way!!!! I am also in the Biplane Forum
and most of them feel the same way. The magazine needs a lot more hands on
and homebuilt plane articles.
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Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol in Print |
| From: | Gerrit-Jan Kaal <gjhkaal(at)gmail.com> |
Perhaps someone could write a passionate message in the 'all groups' in
this and other lists? There must be a way to convince any editor to change
his ways. Btw, the same is happening in electronics magazines. Years ago,
it was filled with schema's and building descriptions for amplifiers and
the lot, these days its more and more reviews on gadgets...
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:21 AM, biplan53 wrote:
>
> You are not the only person who feels this way!!!! I am also in the
> Biplane Forum and most of them feel the same way. The magazine needs a lot
> more hands on and homebuilt plane articles.
>
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> Building steel fuselage aircamper.
>
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| Subject: | First Run Of My Engine |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Just wanted to post a link to YouTube showing the first run of my engine-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVBRCKk5_E
William Wynne helped me get it up and running. A lot of work had to be done to
the engine as we rebuilt it, but it ran great. 2000 rpm for 30 minutes and no
leak was found after shutdown.
Many thanks to William. Also a big thanks to Dan Weseman for helping with the fifth
bearng adjustment. I encourage you to look at the Corvair as your flight
engine. Corvair College 32 in Texas is coming up soon. So think about attending.
You will be glad you did!
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | goffelectric(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: First Run Of My Engine |
Awesome!
=C2-
Keith
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From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 4:02:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Run Of My Engine
ail.com>
Just wanted to post a link to YouTube showing the first run of my engine-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVBRCKk5_E
William Wynne helped me get it up and running. A lot of work had to be done
to the engine as we rebuilt it, but it ran great. 2000 rpm for 30 minutes
and no leak was found after shutdown.
Many thanks to William. Also a big thanks to Dan Weseman for helping with t
he fifth bear=C3=83=C2=AEng adjustment. I encourage you to look at the Corv
air as your flight engine. Corvair College 32 in Texas is coming up soon. S
o think about attending. You will be glad you did!
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Federal Aviation Skis for sale |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
How much for the ski's? Do they include all the fitting too.
WF2
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | First Run Of My Engine |
Sounds good and smooth, Terry!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 4:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Run Of My Engine
Just wanted to post a link to YouTube showing the first run of my engine-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVBRCKk5_E
William Wynne helped me get it up and running. A lot of work had to be done
to the engine as we rebuilt it, but it ran great. 2000 rpm for 30 minutes
and no leak was found after shutdown.
Many thanks to William. Also a big thanks to Dan Weseman for helping with
the fifth bearng adjustment. I encourage you to look at the Corvair as
your flight engine. Corvair College 32 in Texas is coming up soon. So think
about attending. You will be glad you did!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: First Run Of My Engine |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Good job Terry. It really feeds the building fire within every time you reach
a big milestone like this one. Keep it up.
Cheers,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: First Run Of My Engine |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Awesome - a live thing of beauty...!!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
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| Subject: | Re: First Run Of My Engine |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
Great job! Vroom! Vroom! and Pocketa-Pocketa!
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| Subject: | Warp Drive Prop Alert |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
If you are interested in the Warp Drive prop or know someone who is, you should
read this posting by William Wynne-
http://flycorvair.net/2014/12/04/warp-drive-prop-source-warning-hoverhawk/
There is a company masquerading as the factory, and you could be dealing with someone
on the internet that you do not want to deal with.
Just wanted to pass it along.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | First Run Of My Engine |
Congratulations on the 1st run!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 1:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Run Of My Engine
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Just wanted to post a link to YouTube showing the first run of my engine-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVBRCKk5_E
William Wynne helped me get it up and running. A lot of work had to be done
to the engine as we rebuilt it, but it ran great. 2000 rpm for 30 minutes
and no leak was found after shutdown.
Many thanks to William. Also a big thanks to Dan Weseman for helping with
the fifth bearng adjustment. I encourage you to look at the Corvair as
your flight engine. Corvair College 32 in Texas is coming up soon. So think
about attending. You will be glad you did!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol in Print |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
You need to like WW2 airplanes and $500,000-dollar speed merchants to read
the EAA mag. Or have they changed? I haven't read an EAA mag in several
years for that very reason. Chuck
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:13 PM, aerocarjake wrote:
> >
>
> Cool...!!!
>
> I've been pinging EAA with feedback to return a greater focus on
> HOMEBUILTS.
>
> I'm just one voice in the wind but apparently I am not the only one who
> feels this way as they have had LOTS of similar requests.
>
> Lately SPORT AVIATION feels like reading FLYING magazine (not surprising
> as EAA hired their editor) and if I wanted to read FLYING magazine I would
> buy FLYING magazine. I want to read about HOMEBUILTS...!
>
> IMHO
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435266#435266
>
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Getting Started Again |
Well after a move and about a year, finally getting started on the Piet
again. It's been tough finding (and remembering) where everything is and
where I left off. Looking forward to moving forward. Excuse the incorrect
hardware. Does anybody have a good source for the hardware? Should it be
brass?
Thanks!
Jack Textor
West Des Moines, IA
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Getting Started Again |
Jack,
Beautiful panel! Looks like you might be planning on IFR, how much fuel will
you be carrying?
Nice to see you building again,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> Well after a move and about a year, finally getting started on the Piet ag
ain. It's been tough finding (and remembering) where everything is and wher
e I left off. Looking forward to moving forward. Excuse the incorrect hard
ware. Does anybody have a good source for the hardware? Should it be brass
?
>
> Thanks!
>
> <<...>>
>
> Jack Textor
>
> West Des Moines, IA
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Getting Started Again |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Jack, Is that one of those Russian automatic mechanical clocks out of a MIG 23
? Please identify...
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Getting Started Again |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Yes it is Dan, they were used on various models, heated, operable to 100,000 feet
and 6Gs. Two day movement. Just what a Piet needs! Works well.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:31 PM, "dwilson" wrote:
>
>
> Jack, Is that one of those Russian automatic mechanical clocks out of a MIG
23 ? Please identify...
>
> Dan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Getting Started Again |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Beautiful panel. Yes Jack that hardware should be brass. Then
it will be curmudgeon-approved. Available (of course) from Mcmas
terCarr. Love the clock also.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfiel
d=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Jack <jack@te
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, Dec 5, 2014 4:55 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Getting Started
Again=0A=0A=0A=0AWell after a move and about a year, finally
getting started on the Piet again. It's been tough finding
(and remembering) where everything is and where I left off.
Looking forward to moving forward. Excuse the incorrect ha
rdware. Does anybody have a good source for the hardware?
Should it be brass?=0AThanks!=0A <<...>> =0AJack Textor=0AWest
Des Moines, IA=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Getting Started Again |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Ray 11 gallons in the center section and a cub nose tank which I have not ca
lculated its volume. Know it's overkill...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Dec 5, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Ray Krause wrote:
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> Jack,
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> Beautiful panel! Looks like you might be planning on IFR, how much fuel wi
ll you be carrying?
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> Nice to see you building again,
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> Ray Krause
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Jack wrote:
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>> Well after a move and about a year, finally getting started on the Piet a
gain. It's been tough finding (and remembering) where everything is and whe
re I left off. Looking forward to moving forward. Excuse the incorrect har
dware. Does anybody have a good source for the hardware? Should it be bras
s?
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>> Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol in Print |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
The Rudolph Piet just goes to prove that Ford powered Piets can fly on and on and
on!
As far as the EAA, I quit the association some years ago when the flagship publication
(the main reason I joined EAA 35 years ago) featured "homebuilts" that
cost in the six figures, green tractors, and other things that did not interest
me or reflect what I consider to be experimental aviation. The one shining
star in the EAA line of publications has been the "Hints for Homebuilders" series
of video clips. THAT is real stuff, by real people, for real people. Yes,
they have a few "factory people" in some of the videos, but they are sharing
valuable skills and information.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435424#435424
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| Subject: | Re: Getting Started Again |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack;
You'll find that the layer of dust and rust on your building skills is pretty thin
and it wipes off easily. Glad you're back in the shop! To elaborate a bit
on what Dan said about panel hardware, it's because of the mag compass that
brass (or nonferrous) hardware is recommended. Ferrous metal in proximity to
the compass can affect it. I don't see your mag compass in the picture, so maybe
if you have it located on the underside of the wing it won't matter if you
don't use brass hardware on your panel. I think brass would enhance the already
very attractive look of the panel though.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435425#435425
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jake;
Not sure what you have in mind for the nose art for your airplane, but several of us have had very good results working with Dennis Demeter at Avgrafix. http://www.avgrafix.com/ His work is excellent and his prices are reasonable for custom graphics. Matter of fact, Denny is making me some vinyl graphics for the two kayaks that I'm building for my wife and I. Also secret, but I hope to unveil them in time to go paddling next spring. A lot of Piet building skills translate directly over to boat-building, too.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435426#435426
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol in Print |
| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
Hi all
I agree with points made about changes at EAA. They've (we've) become more and
more corporate over the years. I don't like the fact that 6 figure aircraft
are promoted or reviewed either. I think a lot of it stems from people wanting
instant airplane,quick build, high performance stuff which is way beyond many
(my) budgets.
On the other hand, EAA has led the way to many positive changes as far as FAA
regs regarding GA. Also, where else can I get assistance from a recognized
Tech. Counsellor?
I feel that even considering the negative aspects we are a great organization.
Glen Schweizer
EAA#1133012
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:38 AM, "taildrags" wrote:
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> The Rudolph Piet just goes to prove that Ford powered Piets can fly on and on
and on!
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> As far as the EAA, I quit the association some years ago when the flagship publication
(the main reason I joined EAA 35 years ago) featured "homebuilts" that
cost in the six figures, green tractors, and other things that did not interest
me or reflect what I consider to be experimental aviation. The one shining
star in the EAA line of publications has been the "Hints for Homebuilders"
series of video clips. THAT is real stuff, by real people, for real people.
Yes, they have a few "factory people" in some of the videos, but they are sharing
valuable skills and information.
>
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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| From: | "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol in Print |
The "Experimenter" was more to my liking. It is still online, but apparently
most members are not interested in real homebuilding anymore. When I tell
people I am building a Pietenpol the first question is: "Where did you get
your kit?"
I guess most people interested in aviation now are of the carriage trade
and several hundred thousand dollars is peanuts and so the EAA caters to
them. At least that was the feeling I got since Paul Poberezny hated
ultralights so much. I assume the EAA knows their target market better than
I do.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: taildrags
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 12:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol in Print
The Rudolph Piet just goes to prove that Ford powered Piets can fly on and
on and on!
As far as the EAA, I quit the association some years ago when the flagship
publication (the main reason I joined EAA 35 years ago) featured
"homebuilts" that cost in the six figures, green tractors, and other things
that did not interest me or reflect what I consider to be experimental
aviation. The one shining star in the EAA line of publications has been the
"Hints for Homebuilders" series of video clips. THAT is real stuff, by real
people, for real people. Yes, they have a few "factory people" in some of
the videos, but they are sharing valuable skills and information.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435424#435424
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol in Print |
| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
> From: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
> Date: December 6, 2014 at 11:16:39 AM PST
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol in Print
>
> Hi all
> I agree with points made about changes at EAA. They've (we've) become mor
e and more corporate over the years. I don't like the fact that 6 figure ai
rcraft are promoted or reviewed either. I think a lot of it stems from peop
le wanting instant airplane,quick build, high performance stuff which is way
beyond many (my) budgets.
> On the other hand, EAA has led the way to many positive changes as far a
s FAA regs regarding GA. Also, where else can I get assistance from a recog
nized Tech. Counsellor?
> I feel that even considering the negative aspects we are a great organ
ization. Glen Schweizer
> EAA#1133012
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:38 AM, "taildrags" wrote:
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>> The Rudolph Piet just goes to prove that Ford powered Piets can fly on an
d on and on!
>>
>> As far as the EAA, I quit the association some years ago when the flagshi
p publication (the main reason I joined EAA 35 years ago) featured "homebuil
ts" that cost in the six figures, green tractors, and other things that did n
ot interest me or reflect what I consider to be experimental aviation. The o
ne shining star in the EAA line of publications has been the "Hints for Hom
ebuilders" series of video clips. THAT is real stuff, by real people, for r
eal people. Yes, they have a few "factory people" in some of the videos, bu
t they are sharing valuable skills and information.
>>
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>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435424#435424
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Graphics are secret, kayaks are definitely NOT! I am very pleased to recommend and promote the skin-on-frame kayaks and boats designed by Dave Gentry. Simple to build, affordable, well documented and tested, and beautiful boats. http://gentrycustomboats.com/home.html . I'm building a pair of Chuckanut 12 kayaks and I also plan to build a Shenandoah Whitehall rowboat for our friends up in Washington who have two young daughters and will soon need to have a way to take the girls and all their camping gear out to the small uninhabited islands in Rosario Strait to show them the beauty of the whole Puget Sound island region from a sturdy rowboat and by the side of a campfire. They already have ocean kayaks, but now with the children and gear they will need a rowboat! Keeps you fit, too, and lets you teach navigation and seamanship while you pull-pull-pull on the oars with your children in the boat and orcas keeping you company.
The only reason this is even vaguely aviation-related is that the skin-on-frame
construction technique uses wood framing with heat-shrunk fabric covering, and
rather than sewing and stapling the fabric on our kayaks, I plan to use Poly-Tak
to cement the fabric to the frames and finishing tapes to complete the overlaps
and seams after heat-tautening the fabric with my covering irons.
Might even fill the flotation compartments fore and aft with ping-pong balls or
empty milk cartons ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | E-LSA reregistration? |
We've had a situation develop on our local airport. An older gentleman
had a mishap flying his J-3. The airplane has been in his family over
60 years, and he actually soloed in it 60 years ago. He has thousands
of flight hours and is a former ATP. During the mishap his landing gear
struck a runway sign and collapsed. The landing gear was the only thing
damaged, so whether this was an accident is open to interpretation.
However, the FAA was notified by the mechanic that helped remove the
aircraft from the runway.
The FAA is asking the pilot have a test-flight with an FAA examiner,
which I can understand due to his age, etc. They also dinged him
because he was flying as a sport pilot in his J-3 with its original
registration as a standard class airplane. They claim it is necessary
to re-register the airplane as light sport in order to fly it as a light
sport pilot. I have been flying my Pietenpol for 5 years as using light
sport pilot rules, and although I remember I had the option to register
it as E-LSA, the conventional wisdom at the time was Experimental
Amateur Built was the way to go.
I've searched the FAA regs and can't find any clarification. Has anyone
else out there heard of a push to re-register as E-LSA to make an
aircraft eligible for light sport pilots?
Ben Charvet
235 hrs on NX866BC sitting on my DL medical
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: E-LSA reregistration? |
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: E-LSA reregistration? |
Ben
I believe Jeff is correct. As far as I know it is not possible to re-regist
er a standard or experimental airplane as an E-LSA. You can only re-registe
r S-LSA as E-LSA. I think the only way to register a new airplane as E-LSA
is to have built it from an approved LSA kit.
You acquaintance has been given incorrect information from the local FAA, w
hich is not really that uncommon with respect to Sport Pilot and LSA.
Malcolm
www.wienerdogaero.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:21:38 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: E-LSA reregistration?
I=99m sorry to hear of your acquaintance=99s mishap.
As long as the Cub has always met the definition of an LSA, per the FARs (i
.e., gross weight below 1320 lbs, no more than two seats, etc.), then it ca
n be flown by a pilot who qualifies as a Sport Pilot.
I have not heard of any push for re-registration. Indeed, I don=99t s
ee how that would be possible within the current FARs. What FSDO are we dea
ling with here? Regardless, IMO, the older gent should call FAA in OKC
=93 without the local FSDO being on the line. He should also call EAA an
d AOPA, even if he=99s not a member.
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
From: Ben Charvet < bencharvet(at)gmail.com >
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2014 at 7:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: E-LSA reregistration?
We've had a situation develop on our local airport. An older gentleman
had a mishap flying his J-3. The airplane has been in his family over
60 years, and he actually soloed in it 60 years ago. He has thousands
of flight hours and is a former ATP. During the mishap his landing gear
struck a runway sign and collapsed. The landing gear was the only thing
damaged, so whether this was an accident is open to interpretation.
However, the FAA was notified by the mechanic that helped remove the
aircraft from the runway.
The FAA is asking the pilot have a test-flight with an FAA examiner,
which I can understand due to his age, etc. They also dinged him
because he was flying as a sport pilot in his J-3 with its original
registration as a standard class airplane. They claim it is necessary
to re-register the airplane as light sport in order to fly it as a light
sport pilot. I have been flying my Pietenpol for 5 years as using light
sport pilot rules, and although I remember I had the option to register
it as E-LSA, the conventional wisdom at the time was Experimental
Amateur Built was the way to go.
I've searched the FAA regs and can't find any clarification. Has anyone
else out there heard of a push to re-register as E-LSA to make an
aircraft eligible for light sport pilots?
Ben Charvet
235 hrs on NX866BC sitting on my DL medical
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| From: | "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | E-LSA reregistration? |
Ben
On the FAA website the J3 is listed as " Light Sport Aircraft: Existing Type
Certificated Models" here
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/light_sport/media/ExistingModels.pdf.
You cannot reregister an existing aircraft as experimental light sport. See
section Section 6. Light Sport Aircraft Category Airworthiness
Certifications 4038. General.
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgOrders.nsf/0/7a0
9d53fb0d5325586257885004d9e1b/$FILE/8130.2G_CHG1_Incorporated.pdf
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 4:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: E-LSA reregistration?
We've had a situation develop on our local airport. An older gentleman had
a mishap flying his J-3. The airplane has been in his family over
60 years, and he actually soloed in it 60 years ago. He has thousands of
flight hours and is a former ATP. During the mishap his landing gear struck
a runway sign and collapsed. The landing gear was the only thing damaged,
so whether this was an accident is open to interpretation.
However, the FAA was notified by the mechanic that helped remove the
aircraft from the runway.
The FAA is asking the pilot have a test-flight with an FAA examiner,
which I can understand due to his age, etc. They also dinged him
because he was flying as a sport pilot in his J-3 with its original
registration as a standard class airplane. They claim it is necessary to
re-register the airplane as light sport in order to fly it as a light sport
pilot. I have been flying my Pietenpol for 5 years as using light sport
pilot rules, and although I remember I had the option to register it as
E-LSA, the conventional wisdom at the time was Experimental Amateur Built
was the way to go.
I've searched the FAA regs and can't find any clarification. Has anyone
else out there heard of a push to re-register as E-LSA to make an aircraft
eligible for light sport pilots?
Ben Charvet
235 hrs on NX866BC sitting on my DL medical
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA reregistration? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Here's yet another opportunity to gently and patiently educate one of our public
servants and employees (FAA person). As frustrating as it is to encounter ignorance,
error, confusion, or misinformation in the agency that is supposed to
promote and regulate civil aviation, there is much more to be gained by getting
the correct information right out of the regulations or advisory circulars
and then discussing it with our employees in the FAA.
But I'll admit, sometimes you just want to whack 'em upside the head.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435462#435462
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Mark,
I am going to lay down a bit of a challenge.
It would be easy to let your dream kind of slide and allow yourself to let your
project go. Ask guys that sold their projects if they are glad that they did,
and I think most would say that, in retrospect, they wish they had not. The little
bit of money was not worth the setback.
You have a place to store your fuselage. Make the effort to get it to NAS Danford
(Tool's house and hangar). It probably will be a pain to lug the project across
country. But think of the story you can tell once you have it flying. You
will in the long run be glad that you did. If your plans and desires change later
on, sell it then. But do not let it go - yet.
My advice - and only worth what you paid for it. Best wishes in the move and the
new job.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: E-LSA reregistration? |
I fugured this was just some mis-informed FAA guy. The regulation they
quoted was 21.190, which excludes standard certified airplanes from
being reregistered as E-LSA. Thanks for the input. Hopefully in the
next few months all this will be irrelevent and the DL Class III medical
will happen.
Ben
On 12/7/2014 2:58 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Here's yet another opportunity to gently and patiently educate one of our public
servants and employees (FAA person). As frustrating as it is to encounter
ignorance, error, confusion, or misinformation in the agency that is supposed
to promote and regulate civil aviation, there is much more to be gained by getting
the correct information right out of the regulations or advisory circulars
and then discussing it with our employees in the FAA.
>
> But I'll admit, sometimes you just want to whack 'em upside the head.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435462#435462
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Well, that's good advice, even if it was free! I appreciate it, and I might just
be doing what you suggest. It is kinda a logistic's issue with the truck, but
I might be able to squeeze it in, and that would be the main issue.
I really don't want to sell it, and at this rate, I might not! :)
Thanks for the advice!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA reregistration? |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Sorry to be the first to tell you Oscar, the Federal Aviation
Administration Reauthorization Act of 1996, approved changes to the FAA's
mission that removed the agency's dual mandate of regulating safety and
promoting industry development. After that the FAA was to promote safety
only!.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:58 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Here's yet another opportunity to gently and patiently educate one of our
> public servants and employees (FAA person). As frustrating as it is to
> encounter ignorance, error, confusion, or misinformation in the agency that
> is supposed to promote and regulate civil aviation, there is much more to
> be gained by getting the correct information right out of the regulations
> or advisory circulars and then discussing it with our employees in the FAA.
>
> But I'll admit, sometimes you just want to whack 'em upside the head.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435462#435462
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Mark; if I were retired or not married, I would volunteer to drive a rental truck
one-way from CA to TN with your project, just for the adventure and sightseeing
and to meet Tools and some of the other Pieters along the way (including
a mandatory stop at The Chicken Coop in Oklahoma). I'd even pay my own way.
But I'm not ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
| From: | "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> |
Ha! Oscar, I am still chuckling.
As we have all heard before, it's the thought that counts!
Choosing to build a piet brings with it the best people in the world. I hope I
can keep the project and meet ya'll in brodhead sometime!
Mark
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| From: | TGSTONE236(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: E-LSA reregistration? |
In a message dated 12/7/2014 8:10:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com writes:
Sorry to be the first to tell you Oscar, the Federal Aviation
Administration Reauthorization Act of 1996, approved changes to the FAA's mission
that
removed the agency's dual mandate of regulating safety and promoting
industry development. After that the FAA was to promote safety only!.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:58 PM, taildrags <_taildrags(at)hotmail.com_
(mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com) > wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags" <_taildrags(at)hotmail.com_
(mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com) >
Here's yet another opportunity to gently and patiently educate one of our
public servants and employees (FAA person). As frustrating as it is to
encounter ignorance, error, confusion, or misinformation in the agency that
is supposed to promote and regulate civil aviation, there is much more to be
gained by getting the correct information right out of the regulations or
advisory circulars and then discussing it with our employees in the FAA.
But I'll admit, sometimes you just want to whack 'em upside the head.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA reregistration? |
| From: | "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com> |
> the FAA was notified by the mechanic
Why would the mechanic do that...?
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: E-LSA reregistration? |
Because he was an ignorant busybody? Around here, if it comes to
their attention, the police insist that any off-field incident (such
as a safe, off-field landing) involving an aircraft be reported to the
FAA. We once had a local sheriff crash a family reunion party, where
a family member was hopping his family rides from their pasture,
because they weren't using an 'official' airport.
Kip Gardner
On Dec 8, 2014, at 7:55 AM, PatrickW wrote:
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>> the FAA was notified by the mechanic
>
>
> Why would the mechanic do that...?
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| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
There was a thread a few months ago regarding Gooseneck bending dies which I thought
would be a great addition to my own shop. So, in my travels, I came across
a rather long Gooseneck die, and I picked it up for a rather pricey sum.
If you want a short gooseneck, I'm cutting the long piece into a series of short
pieces, so you can bend the U shaped fittings - along with any other fittings
- without having to jury rig something special.
The cost per linear inch of the material is $7.50, and it will fit into a $5.00
shipping box.
I'm not trying to make $$ here, just help out anyone wanting such a die, at a reasonable
cost. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll cut a 3", 4", or whatever
length you need. For my purposes, I'm going with a 4" bending setup
like the one Curt Merdan showed in his pics.
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Classic Carwil Bubbleface Compass |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
OOPs Photos attached
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: E-LSA reregistration? |
On a personal note: I once landed at our local non-controlled and under-used airport
after a week of heavy rain and turned a few feet too soon onto a taxi way
with the result that the left wheel mired in the mud. I gave the J-3 full and
rapid throttle to pull through the mud, but the engine stalled and quit. With
the momentary, but short power surge, and the one wheel stuck in the mud, the
plane nosed over in very slow motion. I climbed out into ankle deep mud, pulled
the tail down and managed somehow to pull the plane out of the mud.
By the time I got the plane back to the hangar, the sheriff showed up and asked
if I were the one who "crashed"! Being the only airplane at the airport, and
standing there with mud up to my ankles with only one shoe and hosing the mud
off the plane; I had to admit that I was the "crashed plane"!
He wanted a complete report on the crash because he had already called the FFA
to report it! Some motorist, driving by the airport, had reported the "crash".
The sheriff's protocol was the immediately call the FFA prior to even responding
to the crash site!
It took only six months and many letters and phone calls to get the "incident"
straightened out. As they say, the FFA is not happy until you are unhappy.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 8, 2014, at 5:03 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote:
>
>
> Because he was an ignorant busybody? Around here, if it comes to their attention,
the police insist that any off-field incident (such as a safe, off-field
landing) involving an aircraft be reported to the FAA. We once had a local sheriff
crash a family reunion party, where a family member was hopping his family
rides from their pasture, because they weren't using an 'official' airport.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>> On Dec 8, 2014, at 7:55 AM, PatrickW wrote:
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>>> the FAA was notified by the mechanic
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>> Why would the mechanic do that...?
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435487#435487
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| From: | "Jim and Grace Malley" <jgmalley(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim Malley's Piet |
Good eye, Oscar. Both the rudder and elevator gaps are nearly 7/8". I taped
them closed for a few flights, there was small improvement in elevator
authority and nothing noticeable in rudder so the tapes went into the
garbage bin. The ailerons are attached with piano hinges and the short
spaces between the hinges are sealed with tape; they are very effective
resulting in little stick movement.
Jim Malley
-----Original Message-----
From: taildrags
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jim Malley's Piet
Wow, what a beauty! Excellent workmanship, and the whole visual scheme is
very tasteful and reminiscent of the times. Great work, and great photos.
But is it just me, or is the gap between rudder and vertical stabilizer
quite large? Not at all being critical, just commenting.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Gooseneck Die |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Tom I searched the archives for a picture and couldn't find one. Can you share
one? Are they stainless? Thanks!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Dec 8, 2014, at 7:43 AM, "tkreiner" wrote:
>
>
> There was a thread a few months ago regarding Gooseneck bending dies which I
thought would be a great addition to my own shop. So, in my travels, I came across
a rather long Gooseneck die, and I picked it up for a rather pricey sum.
>
> If you want a short gooseneck, I'm cutting the long piece into a series of short
pieces, so you can bend the U shaped fittings - along with any other fittings
- without having to jury rig something special.
>
> The cost per linear inch of the material is $7.50, and it will fit into a $5.00
shipping box.
>
> I'm not trying to make $$ here, just help out anyone wanting such a die, at a
reasonable cost. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll cut a 3", 4", or
whatever length you need. For my purposes, I'm going with a 4" bending setup
like the one Curt Merdan showed in his pics.
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435489#435489
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | First wing is ready for paint!! |
Huge step forward in getting the People's Piet in the air! Very exciting. I worked
out a nice easy project plan that had me finishing the fuse and starting
on the wings right after the new year. It's really great to be well ahead of
schedule and still not feeling rushed.
And covering is FUN!!!
Oscar...I better not EVER find out you were in the area and DIDN'T stop by!! Or
any of you'se guys for that matter! Especially now, there's a LOT of painting
to get done! LOL
Hope the Holidays are good for everyone!
Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: Gooseneck Die |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Jack,
The pic of the Die is attached although not all the dim's are shown. If you need
additional info, I can measure the die, and add additional dim's.
The material is alloy steel, probable 1018, or thereabouts. There is no nose radius,
so I'm going to add one for my own bending, maybe .09 or so.
Bending our U shapes fittings should be pretty easy with this. You will need to
procure or mill a VEE block, as I don't have any of those.
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: Gooseneck Die |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I'll take a 9" length if that is possible....?
My press brake has a 9 &1/8" opening - so less than 9" is ok but it can't be greater.
THANK YOU...!
Let me know how to get the funds to you.
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Gooseneck Die |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
See pic of my home-made press...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Gooseneck Die |
| From: | "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com> |
I sent you a pm the other day.
Thanks Rob
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Merry Christmas! |
In case your family is like mine, and just never knows what to get for you:
http://www.cafepress.com/+pietenpol-air-camper+gifts
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Dragonfly for sale or trade |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Pat Panzera and Contact! Magazine have a Dragonfly for sale or trade in the southern
California area. Pat would very much like to trade the DF for a Piet, if
anyone is interested. Here's a link to pictures and information on the plane,
which is complete and ready to taxi test:
http://hanford.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=dragonfly&sort=rel
I know nothing more about it than what is listed in the ad.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas! |
Thanks Gary; Arlene was non-committal to all of them.
Merry Christmas,
Jim and Arlene
=C2-
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| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Vi Kapler's daughter Rebecca asked me to inform you that Vi had a heart attack
on Monday. He is on life support in the ICU at St. Mary's Hospital in Rochester.
Please keep Vi and his family in your thoughts and prayers. Thank You.
Dan Wilson
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
So sorry to hear this. Vi is a class act and true gentleman. I always
looked forward to seeing him at Brodhead. Ken
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:57 AM, dwilson wrote:
>
> Vi Kapler's daughter Rebecca asked me to inform you that Vi had a heart
> attack on Monday. He is on life support in the ICU at St. Mary's Hospital
> in Rochester. Please keep Vi and his family in your thoughts and prayers.
> Thank You.
>
> Dan Wilson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435598#435598
>
>
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| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
wow - really sad to hear............
sending my best regards
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
I met Vi way back in 1992 (still seems like not that long ago to me), at my first
Brodhead. I've chatted with Vi at several Brodheads and Oshkoshs since then,
and if memory serves, even an SnF. I was at that first Brodhead with my dad,
who has since had two heart attacks. My dad survived both, but even with best
outcomes, these are sobering moments for both the patient and the family.
I now own a Pietenpol in partnership with my dad. The airplane and the world of
Pietenpols have been a great common interest for us. Vi is part of that world.
I still have a couple of letters from a correspondence that he and my dad had
over the years. He is such a great representative of what the Pietenpol world
is all about. I hope he makes it home for Christmas.
Please let us know if you think cards, etc. to Rebecca and Vi would be welcomed
or just a burden right now.
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Such bad, sad news, I never met him, but he was an inspiration to me. He had the
foresight to set up Oscar to carry on some of his past efforts.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 11, 2014, at 10:57 AM, dwilson wrote:
>
>
> Vi Kapler's daughter Rebecca asked me to inform you that Vi had a heart attack
on Monday. He is on life support in the ICU at St. Mary's Hospital in Rochester.
Please keep Vi and his family in your thoughts and prayers. Thank You.
>
> Dan Wilson
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435598#435598
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| Subject: | Re: Gooseneck Die |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Guys,
At this point in time, and assuming no one cancels, the entire bar has been spoken
for.
I'll let y'all know if anyone falls out...
--------
Tom Kreiner
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435605#435605
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| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
If you would like to send something (not live flowers!) to Vi's room, the address
is:
Vitalis Kapler
Room 726, Mary Brigh 4E
St. Mary's Campus Hospital
1216 2nd Street S.W.
Rochester, MN 55905
(507) 255-5123
The nurse asks that you NOT send live flowers. Anything else is OK.
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| Subject: | Gooseneck Die, Part Dieux |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
If anyone else missed out on the Gooseneck Die (like I did), and would like to
join in on a group buy of another length of die, please contact me.
I am willing to make the purchase and divvy it up, as long as others are interested
in part of it. Just let me know.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
It is indeed sobering news. As Ray mentioned, I am glad to have been able to continue
some of what Vi has done for the Piet community, but it's just a small
part of who he is and what he has meant to so many, for so long.
It was not that long ago that I spoke with him on the phone on a Saturday morning
(it was afternoon, where he is), and discussed taking over the manufacture
and sale of tail hinge parts for Air Campers. Little did I know what I would
get from him a couple of weeks later, well packed in a recycled moving box. I
expected to get a shoebox sized package with some leftover casting blanks and
maybe a jig or two because he said he had some castings that he had rejected
but that would be good for me to practice on. I was wrong. In the box were many
hand-made (and well worn) tools and jigs that he used to make the hinges over
the years, and each of them had an index card taped to it with handwritten
notes on how he used each item and in what sequence. He included samples of
the recommended hinge pins, AN screws, and representative parts in process. All
with hand-written notes on index cards. He included a cutoff saw that he used
to face off the hinge tabs, a machinist's vise that he used to clamp the hinge
halves for drilling, and a wheel to mount adhesive-backed emery material
to true up the bottom and sides. I have kept all of the handwritten notes, parts,
and everything else. It all means something to me.
When I discussed a price for acquiring the rights and the "tooling", Vi went quiet
on the phone for more than just a few seconds and I thought maybe he was conferring
with a family member about it or something, but he was thinking. I
expected some lawyer talk and a discussion of liability, forms, and negotiations.
I was wrong.
"Well, I guess I would let you have it all for $100. Or maybe less." He spent
more than that on what he sent me on the box plus the cost of shipping it to
me.
When he said that it was my turn to fall silent on my end. I was flabbergasted.
Then we discussed why he had stopped making the parts and why he was glad that
someone would be taking over the production of the parts. That has been my
only personal contact with Vi Kapler, but it was enough. He has lived his life
the way I want to live the rest of mine, and for the same reasons.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Gooseneck Die, Part Dieux |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Belay that last! I think the word you want is 'deux' (second, in French). 'Les
Dieux' are 'the gods' and I don't think any of them have goosenecks or want
to die ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Gooseneck Die, Part Dieux |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Oscar,
So much for my Spanish and Greek studies. I have no background in French, other
than to recite the line from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" -
"Of course I am French. Why else would I have this OUTRAGEOUS accent."
(With an outrageous accent, of course)
But the offer still stands... [Wink]
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Gooseneck Die, Part Dieux |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I would chip in for a 9" segment.
Really appreciative that Tom has done this - I am getting a short segment from
him. I would like to have a full segment if I can for future bending of longer
parts.....
THANK YOU both for doing this....!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
>From Forrest Lovley via FB, this morning:
"I went to visit Vi Kapler yesterday afternoon, and he was still holding his own,
but he passed away last evening shorty after 6 PM. Arrangements are still pending."
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Does anyone have an address for the family?
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: Vitalis Kapler has passed on. |
A message from Vi's daughter...
Begin forwarded message:
From: Rebecca Kapler <purpleorchid235(at)gmail.com>
Date: December 12, 2014 at 11:43:21 AM CST
To: peterthepilot99(at)gmail.com
Subject: Vitalis Kapler has passed on.
Dad passed on to the great gig in the sky Thurs Dec 11th about 5:55 pm. 2
014.
It was so beautiful, I held his left hand Jenny held his right, as he was
taking his last breath, I closed my eyes & gave thanks. I had the feeling
of being a little girl again, In the plane with Dad, Taxiing down the runwa
y, sitting at the end of the runway, Revving the engine, checking the wings
just one more time to make sure they worked real good. I turned around and
saw my Dads face with the biggest grin ever. He flashed me the thumbs up s
ign. Up, up, up, and away we went. I had the sensation that I was flying. w
ow I am just in amazement. I am Filled with peace. I will miss him dearly a
nd thank you for your condolences.
Rebecca Kapler
1033 Forest hills Dr SW
Rochester, MN 55902
507-288-3322 home
507-990-2938 cell
purpleorchid235(at)gmail.com
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hey All,
I just got my December Sport Aviation with a really nice article on the
Pietenpol and also an article on Doug Ward with his Log Cabin fly in,
also an article on Nordo I felt real good reading this issue, just
like the old days.
Hopefully they will keep it up.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Gooseneck Die, Part Dieux |
| From: | "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net> |
I have tried my best to keep my mouth shut, but my curiosity won't allow it. What
the hell is a gooseneck die and what is it for?
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| Subject: | Re: Gooseneck Die, Part Dieux |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Aviken,
Maybe a picture will help.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Thanks, Oscar, well said.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 11, 2014, at 5:47 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> It is indeed sobering news. As Ray mentioned, I am glad to have been able to
continue some of what Vi has done for the Piet community, but it's just a small
part of who he is and what he has meant to so many, for so long.
>
> It was not that long ago that I spoke with him on the phone on a Saturday morning
(it was afternoon, where he is), and discussed taking over the manufacture
and sale of tail hinge parts for Air Campers. Little did I know what I would
get from him a couple of weeks later, well packed in a recycled moving box.
I expected to get a shoebox sized package with some leftover casting blanks and
maybe a jig or two because he said he had some castings that he had rejected
but that would be good for me to practice on. I was wrong. In the box were
many hand-made (and well worn) tools and jigs that he used to make the hinges
over the years, and each of them had an index card taped to it with handwritten
notes on how he used each item and in what sequence. He included samples of
the recommended hinge pins, AN screws, and representative parts in process.
All with hand-written notes on index cards. He included a cutoff saw that he
used to face off the hinge tabs, a machinist's vise t!
> hat he used to clamp the hinge halves for drilling, and a wheel to mount adhesive-backed
emery material to true up the bottom and sides. I have kept all of
the handwritten notes, parts, and everything else. It all means something to
me.
>
> When I discussed a price for acquiring the rights and the "tooling", Vi went
quiet on the phone for more than just a few seconds and I thought maybe he was
conferring with a family member about it or something, but he was thinking.
I expected some lawyer talk and a discussion of liability, forms, and negotiations.
I was wrong.
>
> "Well, I guess I would let you have it all for $100. Or maybe less." He spent
more than that on what he sent me on the box plus the cost of shipping it to
me.
>
> When he said that it was my turn to fall silent on my end. I was flabbergasted.
Then we discussed why he had stopped making the parts and why he was glad
that someone would be taking over the production of the parts. That has been
my only personal contact with Vi Kapler, but it was enough. He has lived his
life the way I want to live the rest of mine, and for the same reasons.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435621#435621
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Truly a sad day. My best to his family, he and they will be in my prayers.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 12, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
>
>
>> From Forrest Lovley via FB, this morning:
>
> "I went to visit Vi Kapler yesterday afternoon, and he was still holding his
own, but he passed away last evening shorty after 6 PM. Arrangements are still
pending."
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435654#435654
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Gooseneck Die, Part Dieux |
https://www.google.ca/images?q=gooseneck+press+brake+dies&hl=en-CA&gbv=2&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ei=qPaLVMD7BoG7ogS-r4GYAg&ved=0CFkQsAQ
Clif
Always remember to go to other people's funerals.
Otherwise, they might not come to yours.
Yogi Berra
>
> I have tried my best to keep my mouth shut, but my curiosity won't allow
> it. What the hell is a gooseneck die and what is it for?
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| Subject: | Fabric help please! |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
I'm about to place an order with Aircraft Spruce and am going to order my covering
fabric. Going through the archives it appears we need about 45 yards. What's
the difference between Dacron and Ceconite? I'm looking at the 1.8oz Dacron
but it's width is 60 inches. From memory the chord is 60 inches so it might
be a stretch to get enough coverage?
Can some please tell me if I am looking at the correct product. It is part number
09-00100 from AS&S.
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Fuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars...Corvair engine at
Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric help please! |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
=0AScotty,=0A=0A=0A60" is too narrow. How about this? http://aircr
aftproducts.wicksaircraft.com/item/certified-ceconite-fabric/ceconite-fabric/lig
ht-17?&plpver=10&origin=keyword&by=prod&filter=0=0A=0A=0AThis is wha
t I used. "Ceconite" is a trade name, and is in fact dac
ron polyester. =0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A
=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: bubbleboy <scott.dawson3@bigpo
nd.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Sat,
Dec 13, 2014 4:33 am=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Fabric help plea
.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>=0A=0AI'm about to place an order with Aircra
ft Spruce and am going to order my =0Acovering fabric. Going
through the archives it appears we need about 45 yards. =0A
What's the difference between Dacron and Ceconite? I'm looking
at the 1.8oz =0ADacron but it's width is 60 inches. From
memory the chord is 60 inches so it =0Amight be a stretch
to get enough coverage?=0A=0ACan some please tell me if I am
looking at the correct product. It is part =0Anumber 09-001
00 from AS&S.=0A=0AScotty=0A=0A--------=0ATamworth, Australia=0ABuilding
a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper=0A=0Awww.scottyspietenpol.com=0A
=0AFuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars
...Corvair engine at =0ARoy's Garage waiting to be modified.=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/v
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-Matt Dralle, List
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric help please! |
| From: | "Andre B. Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
Check the lightweight fabric at Wicks. I bought mine there and it was wider. I
believe I used 40 yards, but it's been a while and my memory isn't what it once
was.
Ben
bubbleboy wrote:
>
>I'm about to place an order with Aircraft Spruce and am going to order my covering
fabric. Going through the archives it appears we need about 45 yards. What's
the difference between Dacron and Ceconite? I'm looking at the 1.8oz Dacron
but it's width is 60 inches. From memory the chord is 60 inches so it might
be a stretch to get enough coverage?
>
>Can some please tell me if I am looking at the correct product. It is part number
09-00100 from AS&S.
>
>Scotty
>
>--------
>Tamworth, Australia
>Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
>www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
>Fuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars...Corvair engine at
Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435672#435672
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric help please! |
| From: | Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
AC spruce sells 1.87 oz poly fiber for just over $10.00 per yard. It is 72" and
would enable you to lay it up loose (as required for shrinking) on the 60" Pietenpol
chord.
Scott K
Burlington Ontario
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 13, 2014, at 7:35 AM, "Andre B. Charvet" wrote:
>
>
> Check the lightweight fabric at Wicks. I bought mine there and it was wider.
I believe I used 40 yards, but it's been a while and my memory isn't what it once
was.
> Ben
>
> bubbleboy wrote:
>>
>> I'm about to place an order with Aircraft Spruce and am going to order my covering
fabric. Going through the archives it appears we need about 45 yards. What's
the difference between Dacron and Ceconite? I'm looking at the 1.8oz Dacron
but it's width is 60 inches. From memory the chord is 60 inches so it might
be a stretch to get enough coverage?
>>
>> Can some please tell me if I am looking at the correct product. It is part number
09-00100 from AS&S.
>>
>> Scotty
>>
>> --------
>> Tamworth, Australia
>> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>>
>> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>>
>> Fuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars...Corvair engine
at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435672#435672
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric help please! |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
I bought enough fabric (1.7 oz) of 72 inch width for the wings, and the
rest was 62 inch width for the fuselage and tail surfaces. I don't know
how without sewing strips of 62-inch fabric together to fit the narrow
fabric to the wings. I forgot how much of each to buy but it is fairly
easy to figure out how much you will need. Chuck
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 5:32 AM, bubbleboy
wrote:
>
> scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
>
> I'm about to place an order with Aircraft Spruce and am going to order my
> covering fabric. Going through the archives it appears we need about 45
> yards. What's the difference between Dacron and Ceconite? I'm looking at
> the 1.8oz Dacron but it's width is 60 inches. From memory the chord is 60
> inches so it might be a stretch to get enough coverage?
>
> Can some please tell me if I am looking at the correct product. It is part
> number 09-00100 from AS&S.
>
> Scotty
>
> --------
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Fuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars...Corvair
> engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435672#435672
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric help please! |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
I bought the wider fabric from Stewart Systems and the 62-inch from
Aircraft Spruce. I could have gotten it all from Stewart but the 62-inch
was a little less expensive and I'm Scotch enough to want to save a few
bucks. Chuck
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Andre B. Charvet
wrote:
>
> bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
>
> Check the lightweight fabric at Wicks. I bought mine there and it was
> wider. I believe I used 40 yards, but it's been a while and my memory isn't
> what it once was.
> Ben
>
> bubbleboy wrote:
> scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
> >
> >I'm about to place an order with Aircraft Spruce and am going to order my
> covering fabric. Going through the archives it appears we need about 45
> yards. What's the difference between Dacron and Ceconite? I'm looking at
> the 1.8oz Dacron but it's width is 60 inches. From memory the chord is 60
> inches so it might be a stretch to get enough coverage?
> >
> >Can some please tell me if I am looking at the correct product. It is
> part number 09-00100 from AS&S.
> >
> >Scotty
> >
> >--------
> >Tamworth, Australia
> >Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
> >
> >www.scottyspietenpol.com
> >
> >Fuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars...Corvair
> engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435672#435672
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hello all,
With Vi's passing, yet one more direct link to Bernhard, his times but most
of all to that unique generation. Though I mourn his passing, I also mourn
the passing of that generation which in great part possessed qualities which
seem so absent from subsequent ones.
Marci and I had the pleasure of visiting him in 2010 as he was putting the
finishing touches on his gorgeous Ford-powered Piet, and though we only
spent an hour or so, it was memorable.
I will miss seeing his face at Brodhead.
Douwe
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| From: | "wheelharp" <wheelharp(at)gmail.com> |
Douwe, very true words. This is one of the main reasons I am choosing to build
a Pietenpol. Sure there are planes out there faster, roomier, etc...but I can't
think of any airplane that embodies the spirit of those past generations better
than the Piet. I hope by building, it will help preserve and pass on thier
legacy, and hopefully a little bit of what made them so special.
Jon
--------
Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
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| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> Does anyone have an address for the family?
A message from Vi's daughter...
Begin forwarded message:
From: Rebecca Kapler
Date: December 12, 2014 at 11:43:21 AM CST
Subject: Vitalis Kapler has passed on.
Dad passed on to the great gig in the sky Thurs Dec 11th about 5:55 pm. 2014.
It was so beautiful, I held his left hand Jenny held his right, as he was taking
his last breath, I closed my eyes & gave thanks. I had the feeling of being
a little girl again, In the plane with Dad, Taxiing down the runway, sitting at
the end of the runway, Revving the engine, checking the wings just one more
time to make sure they worked real good. I turned around and saw my Dads face
with the biggest grin ever. He flashed me the thumbs up sign. Up, up, up, and
away we went. I had the sensation that I was flying. wow I am just in amazement.
I am Filled with peace. I will miss him dearly and thank you for your condolences.
Rebecca Kapler
1033 Forest hills Dr SW
Rochester, MN 55902
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | nothing in particular |
Okay=2C Pieters- it's been a sad weekend=2C what with Vi Kapler leaving thi
s earth for judgement. May God find him to have been a good and faithful s
ervant.
We had our first sunny afternoon in a long while here in southern Oregon so
I went out to the hangar and changed out the bent fork end fitting on the
lower port side forward strut (one of the squawks at the last annual). Eas
ier than I thought=2C but then again I had a helper to wiggle the wing and
hand me tools=2C so it went well. Re-tensioned the X-brace cables=2C safet
ied them=2C and then taxied out to the fuel pumps to warm up the oil and to
p off the tank. It was nice to have the A75 come to life and carry me here
and there without complaint. At the pumps=2C I took on about 10 gallons w
hen a Taylorcraft came taxiing up after an easy out-and-back flight to do w
hat I had done on the ramp... warm up the oil and knock off a little of the
rust. We talked about A65s and starters (he wants to upgrade to a C85 on
the T-Cart)=2C and how the runway surface was at one of our nearby unpaved
fields (Beagle Sky Ranch).
Even without flying=2C Scout provided enough sensory input to keep me going
for another week or two of fall and winter weather. Just firing up the en
gine was enough=2C but taxiing out with gloves and flying helmet on and fue
ling and restarting and taxiing some more was just gravy. These airplanes
are so rewarding.
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| From: | "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Sighting |
Yesterday my brother in law sent me this picture of a plane that "looks like
the one you are building". I wasn't to surprise when it turns out the
picture is of Scott Liefeld in his Pietenpol because my brother in law and
Scott both live in Sothern California. Then he mentions they are in
Flagstaff. Wait a minute, Flagstaff! That's like 400 miles from Scott's home
airport. That's 400 miles away from home in a Pietenpol in December. Not
too shabby Scott.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Sure hope you can make that happen
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:50 PM, "Mark Roberts" wrote:
>
>
> Ha! Oscar, I am still chuckling.
>
> As we have all heard before, it's the thought that counts!
>
> Choosing to build a piet brings with it the best people in the world. I hope
I can keep the project and meet ya'll in brodhead sometime!
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435479#435479
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Vi Kapler Information |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Date of Birth:
Saturday, May 14, 1927
Date of Death:
Thursday, December 11, 2014
Age:
87 years old
VITALIS J. KAPLER
Visitation
Date: Thursday December 18, 2014
Time: 4:00 pm - 7:00 pm
Location: River Park Chapel at Macken Funeral Home
Second Visitation
Date: Friday December 19, 2014
Time: 11:00 pm - 12:00 pm
Location: Holy Spirit Catholic Church
Memorial Mass
Date: Friday December 19, 2014
Time: 12:00 pm
Location: Holy Spirit Catholic Church
Burial
Location: Calvary Cemetery
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| Subject: | Re: First wing is ready for paint!! |
Jim--
Those sure are pretty wings, mine just look like skeletons.
--Mac in Oregon
> Huge step forward in getting the People's Piet in the air! Very exciting.
> I worked out a nice easy project plan that had me finishing the fuse and
> starting on the wings right after the new year. It's really great to be
> well ahead of schedule and still not feeling rushed.
>
> And covering is FUN!!!
>
> Oscar...I better not EVER find out you were in the area and DIDN'T stop
> by!! Or any of you'se guys for that matter! Especially now, there's a
> LOT of painting to get done! LOL
>
> Hope the Holidays are good for everyone!
>
> Jim in Pryor
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First wing is ready for paint!! |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jim,
They look GREAT. Keep up the good work. Makes me want to recover someones airplane.
I found that part of building to be loads of fun.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "ribill7" <wemidy(at)cox.net> |
Are there any websites or good books anyone can recommend for converting a model
a engine for use in a Piet as some books and materials are better than others.
I figured some of you guys hat have already converted their engines you could
point me in the right direction.
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| Subject: | Re: Model A Engine |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
No one source I know of....
So.... Read up on model a engine sites for modifications relating to durability,
not horsepower. Like inserted bearings, balancing, better pistons, porting,
polishing, blue printing, valve face angles, etc. some of that does give more
horsepower, but it's free. What you want to avoid are the modifications that
reduce reliability. Boring for displacement is a bad idea generally.
Then read bhp's original article from the flying and glider manual which contains
the aviation stuff like better oiling, mounting mags, carb mounting, carb heat,
prop mounting, etc.
Back issues of the buckeye piet association newsletters have a lot of info.
Lastly, search the archives here and ask specific questions! Asking how to build
a motor won't get much response. However, as you research, and you find conflicting
info or just don't understand a particular thing, those questions become
easier to talk about.
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| Subject: | Re: Model A Engine |
| From: | "ribill7" <wemidy(at)cox.net> |
Thanks Tools. Exactly what I was asking for. A direction to go looking for the
necessary information. I have found lots of sites to look into. I just happened
to buy this engine at a good price and never really looked into anything for
the A. Great suggestions...... Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Model A Engine |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hope it helps! Be sure and pass along what ya find useful. I still want to build
up a ford one day. Have a couple orphan sad bastard blocks laying around
for when I do.
Should have kept notes from when I was researching that a lot.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric help please! |
| From: | "Flyboy" <ebarchik(at)berwicksd.org> |
Scotty, you might look at oratex Fabric. In our high school shop we are covering
our Piet with Oratex. No chemicals, no paint. Easy
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| Subject: | Re: Fabric help please! |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Thank you everyone for your replies! Some great options!
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Fuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars...Corvair engine at
Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
Finally, I've committed to build a Piet! Not just any pietenpol,however, a Chad
Wille Aeriel. This is a Biplane adaptation. Some one just threw a wrench at
me but I ducked it's OK. I know the purists will probably throw me out of the
pieten-polpit, but if it's any consolation, the lower wing is removable, so
come on , can I stay?
I've got a few ideas I'd like some input on if you're still reading.
I'd like to try to source this build using primarily locally sourced materials.
Around here(Oregon) that means Doug Fir. I realize the weight penalty(about
15%), but there is the strength increase as well. As far as spars go. I've
noticed that some builders have used a routed spar to save considerable weight.
Could the same result be obtained using a full depth web with spar caps laminated
to either side top and bottom?
For power I plan to use a William Wynn Corvair conversion. I would find it
very helpful if someone could provide performance numbers for a normal aircamper
powered by a 120hp Corvair Thanks. Glen
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | John Kuhfahl <kuhlcouper(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: nothing in particular |
Okkkvndvrnnn nn Hughsnet vdjjjjnnn bcdsdgb
Sent from my iPhone
John Kuhfahl
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
On Dec 13, 2014, at 8:21 PM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> Okay, Pieters- it's been a sad weekend, what with Vi Kapler leaving this e
arth for judgement. May God find him to have been a good and faithful serva
nt.
>
> We had our first sunny afternoon in a long while here in southern Oregon s
o I went out to the hangar and changed out the bent fork end fitting on the l
ower port side forward strut (one of the squawks at the last annual). Easie
r than I thought, but then again I had a helper to wiggle the wing and hand m
e tools, so it went well. Re-tensioned the X-brace cables, safetied them, a
nd then taxied out to the fuel pumps to warm up the oil and top off the tank
. It was nice to have the A75 come to life and carry me here and there with
out complaint. At the pumps, I took on about 10 gallons when a Taylorcraft c
ame taxiing up after an easy out-and-back flight to do what I had done on th
e ramp... warm up the oil and knock off a little of the rust. We talked abo
ut A65s and starters (he wants to upgrade to a C85 on the T-Cart), and how t
he runway surface was at one of our nearby unpaved fields (Beagle Sky Ranch)
.
>
> Even without flying, Scout provided enough sensory input to keep me going f
or another week or two of fall and winter weather. Just firing up the engin
e was enough, but taxiing out with gloves and flying helmet on and fueling a
nd restarting and taxiing some more was just gravy. These airplanes are so r
ewarding.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: nothing in particular |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Good point.
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| Subject: | Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
| From: | "geraldmorrissey" <geraldmorrissey(at)yahoo.com> |
You may consider Port Orford cedar. It's source is close to you. Considered by
many to be a great alternative to spruce for spars. Steen Aero used to recommend
it for Skybolt spars.
Cheers
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
Glen--
I agree Port Orford Cedar would be a great choice that is much better than
Doug Fir. Unfortunately, disease wiped out many of these beautiful trees
so it is hard to find good stuff. Back when it was plentiful it was used
for arrow shafts and boat planking. Where are you in Oregon?
--Mac, on Oregon coast
>
> Finally, I've committed to build a Piet! Not just any pietenpol,however, a
> Chad Wille Aeriel. This is a Biplane adaptation. Some one just threw a
> wrench at me but I ducked it's OK. I know the purists will probably throw
> me out of the pieten-polpit, but if it's any consolation, the lower wing
> is removable, so come on , can I stay?
> I've got a few ideas I'd like some input on if you're still reading.
> I'd like to try to source this build using primarily locally sourced
> materials. Around here(Oregon) that means Doug Fir. I realize the weight
> penalty(about 15%), but there is the strength increase as well. As far as
> spars go. I've noticed that some builders have used a routed spar to save
> considerable weight. Could the same result be obtained using a full depth
> web with spar caps laminated to either side top and bottom?
> For power I plan to use a William Wynn Corvair conversion. I would
> find it very helpful if someone could provide performance numbers for a
> normal aircamper powered by a 120hp Corvair Thanks. Glen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Model A Engine |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
You know, Tools, you could designate one of your tool-a-palooza work sessions as
a Ford engine building session and I'll bet you could get a good group of people
to attend with tools, parts, and skills needed to drag one of your project
Model A engines out onto the table and start turning it into an airplane engine.
Start out by posting what you need (head, mag, crank, whatever) and I'll
bet you could get a nice engine put together when folks start dragging things
out of their parts bins and showing up for the event with stuff in the trunks
of their cars, or in their pickups, or even in some Piets if they fly in. Call
it the Ford version of a Corvair College ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Glen;
Unless you just want a biplane because it's a biplane, be advised that an Aerial
will weigh more than an Air Camper, take more time to build, require more space,
require more power, not cruise any faster, cost more to build, and not have
any better performance.
I love biplanes, but to me the Aerial is an Air Camper with extra stuff stuck on
it, and the result is no better than an Air Camper. I bought an Aerial as
a project a few years ago, with the sole purpose of obtaining the beautiful set
of spoked wheel landing gear that came with it. I donated the fuselage and
wings to a school in Alaska so that the students could have a project to learn
on and build. I have not heard how it is going up there.
An Oregon builder could do a lot worse than to use locally available and affordable
Doug fir for the build, knowing in advance that the airplane will be heavy
and will require more power in order to perform. With 120HP available, you
should have enough power.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Model A Engine |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey oscar,
I thought of that. I actually have a cylinder boring machine, a line boring machine
and a valve grinder.
Thought it would be cool to repour my own Babbitt as well.
Even if you didn't fly the engine, everyone would learn a lot about how a rebuild
goes, and how to measure and ensure proper clearances, which is really the
key to a good rebuild anyway.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: nothing in particular |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
What John said. If it was a good thing.
Oscar, that's the best part of being at the airport.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
To the naysayers, I recommend the Robert Frost poem "The Road Not Taken".
Since BHP was arguably the father of EXPERIMENTAL aviation, I think we should allow
divergence and creativity. As Oscar pointed out, there are issues to be
solved but half the fun in the process is finding elegant, workable solutions
to problems.
Ref the wood issues, since doug fir is stronger and heavier than Sitka, you could
reduce the size of the longerons to 1 x 7/8 and still have the same strength
as 1x1 Sitka. If you really wanted to go avante garde, you could make the spars
from a 1/4 inch plywood web and 3/8 x 1 caps on each side top and bottom.
I'm even betting that you could use 3/8 x 1/4 capstrips for the ribs. Aeronca
used 1/4 x 1/4 on the Champs and Chiefs so there is some basis for that premise.
The road less traveled may have some big potholes but it will eventually get you
somewhere.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
Another possibility is Western Hemlock. Bernard Pietenpol used it in the
last plane or two and said it worked good. I used to get 1-1/2 inch by
1/4 inch hemlock lathe at the lumberyard and pieces 16 feet long had over
24 rings to the inch with no ring leaving the board in 16 feet! I don't
know if that stuff is still available, but with some looking you could
probably find some. It is very comparable to spruce in strength and
weight.
--Mac in Oregon
>
> Glen;
>
> Unless you just want a biplane because it's a biplane, be advised that an
> Aerial will weigh more than an Air Camper, take more time to build,
> require more space, require more power, not cruise any faster, cost more
> to build, and not have any better performance.
>
> I love biplanes, but to me the Aerial is an Air Camper with extra stuff
> stuck on it, and the result is no better than an Air Camper. I bought an
> Aerial as a project a few years ago, with the sole purpose of obtaining
> the beautiful set of spoked wheel landing gear that came with it. I
> donated the fuselage and wings to a school in Alaska so that the students
> could have a project to learn on and build. I have not heard how it is
> going up there.
>
> An Oregon builder could do a lot worse than to use locally available and
> affordable Doug fir for the build, knowing in advance that the airplane
> will be heavy and will require more power in order to perform. With 120HP
> available, you should have enough power.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435802#435802
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
| From: | "johnnysdrop" <johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com> |
Glen
If you want a light spar use the UK approved Jim Wills spar, it is tested and used
on most UK Pietenpols so has a lot of hours on the design.
Basically consists of an 1/8th ply web scarfed from 50" sections with (from memory)
1.125" x 0.875" spruce caps on the front spar and 1" x 0.750" spruce caps
on rear spars. There is various blocking in between the caps for lift struts,
tip bows and root brackets to centre section, blocking for jury struts and for
rib supports. This is then covered in 1/8th ply but only where any blocking
exists.
It's quite a lot of work but the finished spars ARE LIGHT, I know as have just
built mine!
If you want anymore info please email me and a word of caution, do not reduce
sizes of materials because you think something is stronger in a different spec
material without a full analysis of the component.
Regards
English Johnny
Building the 3 piece Wills wing
--------
The only way is UP
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| Subject: | Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
I'm using Doug Fir almost exclusively in my Piet and I first considered
lowering the dimentions of the members. But I thought, "Hey! down the line
this might cause a problem (changing the dimentions.) So I used the plans
dimentions. Don't know yet how much difference the weight will be, but I'm
using a larger engine (Corvair) so maybe the performance will be at least
as good as a spruce airplane with a 65HP engine.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM, wrote:
>
> Another possibility is Western Hemlock. Bernard Pietenpol used it in the
> last plane or two and said it worked good. I used to get 1-1/2 inch by
> 1/4 inch hemlock lathe at the lumberyard and pieces 16 feet long had over
> 24 rings to the inch with no ring leaving the board in 16 feet! I don't
> know if that stuff is still available, but with some looking you could
> probably find some. It is very comparable to spruce in strength and
> weight.
> --Mac in Oregon
>
>
> >
> >
> > Glen;
> >
> > Unless you just want a biplane because it's a biplane, be advised that an
> > Aerial will weigh more than an Air Camper, take more time to build,
> > require more space, require more power, not cruise any faster, cost more
> > to build, and not have any better performance.
> >
> > I love biplanes, but to me the Aerial is an Air Camper with extra stuff
> > stuck on it, and the result is no better than an Air Camper. I bought
> an
> > Aerial as a project a few years ago, with the sole purpose of obtaining
> > the beautiful set of spoked wheel landing gear that came with it. I
> > donated the fuselage and wings to a school in Alaska so that the students
> > could have a project to learn on and build. I have not heard how it is
> > going up there.
> >
> > An Oregon builder could do a lot worse than to use locally available and
> > affordable Doug fir for the build, knowing in advance that the airplane
> > will be heavy and will require more power in order to perform. With
> 120HP
> > available, you should have enough power.
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435802#435802
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM, dgaldrich
wrote:
> dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
>
> To the naysayers, I recommend the Robert Frost poem "The Road Not Taken".
>
> Since BHP was arguably the father of EXPERIMENTAL aviation, I think we
> should allow divergence and creativity. As Oscar pointed out, there are
> issues to be solved but half the fun in the process is finding elegant,
> workable solutions to problems.
>
> Ref the wood issues, since doug fir is stronger and heavier than Sitka,
> you could reduce the size of the longerons to 1 x 7/8 and still have the
> same strength as 1x1 Sitka. If you really wanted to go avante garde, you
> could make the spars from a 1/4 inch plywood web and 3/8 x 1 caps on each
> side top and bottom. I'm even betting that you could use 3/8 x 1/4
> capstrips for the ribs. Aeronca used 1/4 x 1/4 on the Champs and Chiefs so
> there is some basis for that premise.
>
> The road less traveled may have some big potholes but it will eventually
> get you somewhere.
>
> Dave
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435810#435810
>
>
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| Subject: | It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Hello Good Pietple,
In the Marine Corps there is the rank of Lance Corporal which is one rank below
Corporal. You are not a lowly Private First Class, but you are not yet a Corporal.
You are a Lance Corporal. Several months ago Mike Danford, aka "Tools" on
this forum, got a Captain bid here at Delta, our mutual employer. As he was
no longer just a First Officer but not quite a Captain , I began calling him Lance
Captain Danford whenever I talked to him.
Well, Mike is Lance Captain Danford no more. And the pictures shows the four stripes
to prove it. Mike is the one on the right. The one with hair and who does
not (yet) need glasses.
Congrats to Mike! By flying the MD88 ( which I lovingly refer to as 'the tube of
pain') he will rapidly exceed his Pietenpol flying hours.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
Congratulations!
Now he can buy the SECOND round for all of us! [Wink]
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| Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations, Tools!
Nice to know the guy in the left seat's been approved!
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Another Pietenpol |
With the recent emails about building an Aerial I thought I would post some
pics of several "Barn Finds" out in a little town called Jensen in Eastern
Utah at a private airfield. The older Gentleman David Karren owned 7 airp
lanes among them was a Pietenpol Sky Scout, an Aerial both he built himself
and a early Baby Ace. There is also a picture of the Sky Scout on Westcoas
t piet in the snow.
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Oh ya, beers on me... But ya gotta come to toolstock to get them!
My life of luxury is over. Most heavy drivers coming back down to a light twin
tend to flare high. But as it turns out, I have WAY more stick time in the Piet
than the A330 over the last three years... Sooooo... Treated my first 700
passengers to a proper landing. One where ya land like ya mean it! Ya...
One day off then the final trip complete with an observation by the Feds... THEN
the Lance goes fully away. Hopefully it'll warm up enough to get a fee landings
in the Piet before I lose my touch.
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| From: | "rkirk77" <rkirk77(at)cogeco.ca> |
Hi Guys,
I've just finished my 3rd rib and just found out that I should have been making
"test strips" with every batch of epoxy [Shocked] .
What are these and how do i make them?
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Uh... You using a one to one ratio epoxy, probably t88?
Have no clue what a test strip is! Can tell you if you have any idea how to form
two piles of goo that are different colors the same size, and aren't color
blind enough to the point you have no idea if they're mixed (meaning you can tell
when they are), you'll be fine!
Now, if you're mixing a specialized epoxy to hold tunnel support rods in an underwater
tunnel in Boston... I'd get a little worried!
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
I didn't know that a pietenpol had a left seat!?? Congratulations Captain!
Glen
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:52 AM, "tkreiner" wrote:
>
>
> Congratulations, Tools!
>
> Nice to know the guy in the left seat's been approved!
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435836#435836
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Another Pietenpol |
Wow Brian---those were some GREAT barn finds out in Utah. Thank you for sharing
the photos and your discovery!
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
A test strip tests the bond strength of each mixed batch of epoxy. Do two. One
to test to destruction, one to keep. Glue scraps using the same clamp method
as the joints you made
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:26 AM, "rkirk77" wrote:
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I've just finished my 3rd rib and just found out that I should have been making
"test strips" with every batch of epoxy [Shocked] .
>
> What are these and how do i make them?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435842#435842
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | "rkirk77" <rkirk77(at)cogeco.ca> |
Hi Tools,
Yes, I am using T-88 Epoxy and mixing it at a 1:1 ratio (.. or near as I can tell..
lol).
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | "rkirk77" <rkirk77(at)cogeco.ca> |
Glen - Put one overlapping the other?
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Glen's idea is even better, gluing scrap with the leftover. You'll feel comfortable
and confident soon enough.
Glen's suggestion will also give you an idea where you're using too much or too
little glue.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | "rkirk77" <rkirk77(at)cogeco.ca> |
I always use too much glue on all of my joints.. ROFL
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| Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
First, thanks!
What terry didn't mention was that neither did I! I put the preference in over
ten years ago and forgot it was there! We have a saying, bid what ya want, and
want what ya bid... Wups!
It was time anyway, I was starting to get a little surly...
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Way to go, Tools! Maybe now, since you are worthy of a salute, we should
reverse your name and call you Sloot!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford
Hello Good Pietple,
In the Marine Corps there is the rank of Lance Corporal which is one rank
below Corporal. You are not a lowly Private First Class, but you are not yet
a Corporal. You are a Lance Corporal. Several months ago Mike Danford, aka
"Tools" on this forum, got a Captain bid here at Delta, our mutual employer.
As he was no longer just a First Officer but not quite a Captain , I began
calling him Lance Captain Danford whenever I talked to him.
Well, Mike is Lance Captain Danford no more. And the pictures shows the four
stripes to prove it. Mike is the one on the right. The one with hair and who
does not (yet) need glasses.
Congrats to Mike! By flying the MD88 ( which I lovingly refer to as 'the
tube of pain') he will rapidly exceed his Pietenpol flying hours.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435832#435832
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| Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Got a new guy in my s3 squadron... He farted a lot, we called him stool. Before
him I was the fart king. Although we looked way different, we both had jet
black hair and monster eyebrows and people got us mixed up all the time. We eventually
both became known as stools!
Practically nothing in this world is new! Maybe go with sloots?! Not my call...
Of course lots of folks would joke about just calling me tool... Which, again,
wasn't my call, but I would remind them of self fulfilling prophecies!
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another Pietenpol |
Wow! A Sky Scout with a Corvair engine! Sure would like to see some performance
numbers. When did it last fly? I love those wheels, wonder what they are.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Building SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
wrote:
>
>
> Wow Brian---those were some GREAT barn finds out in Utah. Thank you for sharing
the photos and your discovery!
>
> Mike C.
> Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Pietenpol |
| From: | "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Very cool find! Thank you for sharing them with us!
What is the model in the second photo?
--------
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Another Pietenpol |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Brian,
So did you buy it? [Wink]
Are those VG's on the upper surface of the Sky Scout wing?
Thanks for sharing!
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
What was this toolstock thing again ?
Dan
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
Hey Terry, Did Mike order a larger hat size as well? LOL Wink
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford
-->
Hello Good Pietple,
In the Marine Corps there is the rank of Lance Corporal which is one rank
below Corporal. You are not a lowly Private First Class, but you are not yet
a Corporal. You are a Lance Corporal. Several months ago Mike Danford, aka
"Tools" on this forum, got a Captain bid here at Delta, our mutual employer.
As he was no longer just a First Officer but not quite a Captain , I began
calling him Lance Captain Danford whenever I talked to him.
Well, Mike is Lance Captain Danford no more. And the pictures shows the four
stripes to prove it. Mike is the one on the right. The one with hair and who
does not (yet) need glasses.
Congrats to Mike! By flying the MD88 ( which I lovingly refer to as 'the
tube of pain') he will rapidly exceed his Pietenpol flying hours.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435832#435832
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_501.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Another Pietenpol |
It's a Baby Ace, I think he told me it was a 1929.
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of curtdm(at)gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol
-->
Very cool find! Thank you for sharing them with us!
What is the model in the second photo?
--------
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Dang it was cold last Saturday, but hey..somebody's gotta do it.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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| Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Dan,
That is a weekend where anyone and everyone who wants to can come camp out at Tool's
house and use his equipment. It may be some that you may not have
Normal access to. VERY extensive collection of tools, hence the call sign. He is
the only guy I know with 3 phase power to his personal shop, if that tells you
anything.
I like to refer to it as "Toolapalooza" myself.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Another Pietenpol |
Correction... A/W date shows it's a 1990.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian.e.jardine(at)L-3com.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol
It's a Baby Ace, I think he told me it was a 1929.
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of curtdm(at)gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol
-->
Very cool find! Thank you for sharing them with us!
What is the model in the second photo?
--------
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
A test strip tests the bond strength of each mixed batch of epoxy. Do two. One
to test to destruction, one to keep. Glue scraps using the same clamp method
as the joints you made
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:26 AM, "rkirk77" wrote:
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I've just finished my 3rd rib and just found out that I should have been making
"test strips" with every batch of epoxy [Shocked] .
>
> What are these and how do i make them?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435842#435842
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
Good idea! That way would be great for comparison.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:52 AM, "rkirk77" wrote:
>
>
> Glen - Put one overlapping the other?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435849#435849
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
The subject once again is T-88. Good stuff. One concern is thermal resistance.
Try this. Then tell me what you think: glue a piece of 1.5mm ply to a piece
of wood let it cure. Use your covering iron to get the ply just slightly too
hot to touch. The ply will peel off like a post it note.
With thousands of planes being built using T-88, obviously it works, but should
this be a concern?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:50 AM, "rkirk77" wrote:
>
>
> Hi Tools,
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| Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Last weekend in February, just a weekend where folks show up and use my shops and
machine tools to do projects. Started as a group of folks who restore woodworking
tools. Starting last year, expanding to home builders as well.
Can crash anywhere, have a decent sized house available, thirty five acres, a couple
motor homes, spare tents, a box truck... Don't matter!
We just pass the hat and cook onsite, lots of coolers full of everything, goes
from Thursday to sun. Usually lots of shooting as well. Have had machine guns
show up, rifles, shotguns, pistols... WWII vintage, you name it.
My piet should be available for rides, might have access to a 182 this year as
well if anyone needs a bfr or something.
Go to OWWM.ORG and search toolstock, and youtube search toolstock '10 for pics,
movies and discussion. It's free, casual, no schedule.
Looks like we will have accomplished aircraft welding mentors available this year
as well as a tech advisor or two. Insofar as piets, can play with a ford a
block, make, rout, mill wing spars. Mill wood, cut parts on a metal cutting
saw. Might have an a and p available if someone wants to fly in and get an annual.
Have a couple grass fields nearby, and a rather varsity strip at the house.
Might be a hundred folks, might be ten. About 40 to 50 during the event is normal.
Kinda fun.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
That's one reason T-88 isn't approved by the FAA for repair work on
certificated airplanes. As far as I know, the only glue approved by the FAA
is Resorcinol. Resorcinol meets a Mil Spec that requires, among other
things, being able to be immersed in boiling water for 24 hours with no loss
of strength. That's very handy to know, if you ever plan to boil your
airplane.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!
The subject once again is T-88. Good stuff. One concern is thermal
resistance. Try this. Then tell me what you think: glue a piece of 1.5mm
ply to a piece of wood let it cure. Use your covering iron to get the ply
just slightly too hot to touch. The ply will peel off like a post it note.
With thousands of planes being built using T-88, obviously it works, but
should this be a concern?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:50 AM, "rkirk77" wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Another Pietenpol |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Brian,
Great photos, especially of the man himself. I have never met him in person, but
he corresponded with many people, and in the late 1980s and early 1990s he wrote
short bits and sent photos in to the Buckeye and international newsletters.
When I first started working with Corvairs, he was one of the few people writing
about what he was up to.
His Corvair/Scout snow photo is popular, it has been on our old site for 15 years, it is the 2nd one down at this link: http://www.flycorvair.com/planes.html
Mr. Karren wrote about flying in UT, often mentioned that his field elevation was
something like 7,000' Nice to see that he is still out there and his work is
in good condition. -ww.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | "rkirk77" <rkirk77(at)cogeco.ca> |
I am also using 1/4" nails.. and I am keeping them in. :)
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| Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Keep in mind all my stuff came off a scrap truck. Some restored to original, most
is reasonable, some barely working and some pure yard art. I spend my time
showing folks idiosyncrasies of tools, looking for tooling amongst the clutter,
fixing neglected stuff and drinking!
I invite as many mentors as I can, but it's very much a what YOU make of it event.
Come with a project, help someone else, just watch, doesn't matter.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
My Resorcinal pretty ugly....dang, I guess I can't steam clean those spots!
On Dec 18, 2014 12:46 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:
> jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
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> certificated airplanes. As far as I know, the only glue approved by the
> FAA
> is Resorcinol. Resorcinol meets a Mil Spec that requires, among other
> things, being able to be immersed in boiling water for 24 hours with no
> loss
> of strength. That's very handy to know, if you ever plan to boil your
> airplane.
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> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:37 PM
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> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!
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> The subject once again is T-88. Good stuff. One concern is thermal
> resistance. Try this. Then tell me what you think: glue a piece of 1.5mm
> ply to a piece of wood let it cure. Use your covering iron to get the ply
> just slightly too hot to touch. The ply will peel off like a post it note.
> With thousands of planes being built using T-88, obviously it works, but
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Unbelievably, casein glue is also legal on some planes...
Is the heat thing a concern? I just REALLY don't know. Boat builders sure put
the screws to the stuff, is that comforting? Again...
I'm not so sure the reason epoxy isn't legal isn't the same reason casein is.
As in the case of the l-5. Pretty sure there isn't an ad requiring you to make
sure microbes haven't eaten your glue. That airplane is totally dependent on
glue in the wings, doesn't even have anti drag wires, rather plywood shear panels.
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| Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Tools please mention the dates and your location again. We may be coming back from
Florida about then...
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Jack Textor
> On Dec 18, 2014, at 11:50 AM, "tools" wrote:
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most is reasonable, some barely working and some pure yard art. I spend my time
showing folks idiosyncrasies of tools, looking for tooling amongst the clutter,
fixing neglected stuff and drinking!
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | "namrednos" <namrednos(at)yahoo.com> |
I just finished my 30th rib, (so you know I have not tested my Piet). The way I
test is to take each Popsicles stick that I applied that batch with and apply
it together with a scrap piece of plywood. After two days I tear them apart.
I make sure the joint tears apart with wood fiber, not at the glue joint.
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Scott
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| Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Would be great to have you!
Feb 26 to mar 1. Always welcome by anytime though. I may or may not be there,
but someone will.
Chickamauga ga, just south of chatt tn. Closest interstate exit, battlefield parkway
off I-75, last exit in ga. Or the Trenton exit off I-59.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | a little more about the all metal Piet builder |
He appears to be from Istanbul, Turkey.
http://atolyecoptenadam.com
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | T-88 in the heat |
Glen,
I used T-88 for every glue joint in my Pietenpol and I have had it out in the sun
on 90, 95, and 97F days and flown it on those days with bumpy
turbulence and nothing fell apart due to T-88 softening so I would say ignore any
thoughts or worries about using T-88 from that standpoint.
Should this be a concern? No. You have bigger fish to fry.
Merry Christmas!
Mike C.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | all metal Pietenpol |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AubJnqouy78
28 second video. I know about as much about this project as you.
Mike C.
Ohio
Oh yes.....and their human-powered helicopter too.....35 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDoyZAfDAYw
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | "geraldmorrissey" <geraldmorrissey(at)yahoo.com> |
I built some Smith Termite ribs back in 1968. They have been hanging in various
places in all kind of temperature and humidity conditions unvarnished ever since.
Last year I tested one to destruction and the wood broke before the glue
bond. The glue was Weldwood Plastic Resin. I've built a lot of stuff with T-88
but still love the plastic resin the best. Mix with water, fool proof.
Cheers
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: all metal Pietenpol |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Good stuff Mike.
That helicopter would have VERY SHORT flights if I was to power it.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Another pietenpol egg has been laid |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Glen,
I think it is a great idea. So what if it is slow. So is my Piet. :) Biplanes
are cool. We need variety and Pietenpol's seem to offer more variety than any
other homebuilt I can think of. Like Mike C says, "They are all snowflakes".
I can't wait to see it.
Cheers and happy building,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Winter Flying! |
Beautiful! This may be considered torture! How much down pitch do you have o
n your engine mount?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Building Sky Scout
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| Subject: | Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Con llll gratula llll tions
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: T-88 in the heat |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
I have done the FAA "Glue Boil Test" using T-88 .... nothing came apart.
An interesting read; From "Construction Notes" Falco Builders Letter." (http://www.seqair.com/skunkworks/Glues/Notes/Notes.html)
WF2
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| From: | Craig Aho <soar561(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: T-88 in the heat |
I also love T-88 easy to use and reliable. I used it on my first Piet as we
ll as my current Piet project. Lately I have been building a boat=2C GLen-L
Sea Knight and have used T-88 on all structural parts.
Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Some of you may remember Douwe's FIRST Piet, the one hop wonder. I still think
it was the best looking Piet built in the last 10 years but I digress. We started
repairs on one one wing at Sun N Fun a couple of years ago and discovered
that the gussets on the ribs could be popped off with a pen knife with the wood
left perfectly intact. Not good. The ribs were assembled with casien glue
aka plastic resin. At the time, it was available from AS&S as well as others
even though AC 43-13 cautioned against it. Hopefully Douwe himself will chime
in on the issues it caused and the effort that went into making RePiet
Several years ago, as an experiment, I made test pieces to compare T-88, Resorcinol,
and West Systems. The T-88 was mixed by eye, the Resorcinol by weight and
the West System by volume. I used Sitka cap strip and Okoume gussets to make
a Tee and then slowly applied pressure until something happened. In all cases
except one, the wood failed. The single failure was an improperly built Tee.
It is my opinion the reason the FAA does not list epoxy as "accepted" or "approved"
in 43-13 is because there are so many kinds with wildly differing quality.
I further suspect that none of the manufacturers want to go through hoops to
get their products recognized and then ride the liability tail for 17 years
or whatever it is now. I have a dollar in my pocket that says both T-88 and West
Systems could pass whatever mil or astm spec that applies. If anybody knows
what specific testing is involved, it might be a useful data point.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Wing rib help! |
| From: | "geraldmorrissey" <geraldmorrissey(at)yahoo.com> |
Apparently Weldwood Plastic resin is not a casine glue. It's a ureaformaldehyde
wood glue I may be wrong on this but from what I can tell from a web search
and Weldwoods web page, it's not the same stuff. Also plastic resin has a shelf
life which a lot of people don't know about, must be applied correctly (a little
thick), needs sufficient clamping pressure and can be real messy.
Gerry
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: making progress on Sky Scout |
Hi everyone,
The last week has been productive and I have my plane all together and rigge
d. I have the covering material and will start after the New Year. Just a co
uple pictures, if I can add them.
The cowling and other metal work is done, also.
Ray Krause
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