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December 22, 2014 - January 18, 2015



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      products meeting the requirements of
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Subject: Re: Vi Kapler hinges
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2014
Was thinking about it, figured I would get your thoughts on the idea. Naturally I would have to come up with a creative gap seal method. But was considering your hinges to do the job. Plus I will need a couple additional hinges for other purposes and thought, why not buy 2 sets ? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:33 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > John; > > Why would you want to use the tail style hinges for the ailerons? Piano hinges are the way to go on the ailerons, plus they effectively seal the aileron gap. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436007#436007 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2014
Hey Tools! Looks like the Angels of the Air have smiled on me, and I have the truck and resources to move the piet project. I load the truck next Monday,and I am building a crate to move it in. I expect to unload it into my living room of the apartment I am renting in Nashville, and then drive it down soon after that. My wife is supportive spouse, but a 15 foot fuse in the living room is pushing my luck [Shocked] :D I have your phone number, and here is mine in TN: 615-487-9784. Woo Hoo! Many thanks for your kindness, and I look forward to meeting the Tennessee contingent of the Piet Fliers :D Mark Roberts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436030#436030 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Vi Kapler hinges
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2014
John; for the cost of a set of the tail hinges, you should be able to buy enough piano hinge material (either rolled or extruded ) to do your ailerons. With the piano hinges, you get the added benefits of gap sealing and not having to fuss with small cotter pins on clevis pins in fairly tight spaces. A single piece of rod/wire holds the two halves of the piano hinge together and you're done. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436031#436031 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Date: Dec 22, 2014
Yeah Mark!! Just don't make a mess in the living room...you owe her BIG! What a girl will do for a night out! Honey,my mother's going to visit for awhile, ok? I could go on... Glad your not selling it. Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:34 PM, "Mark Roberts" wrote: > > > Hey Tools! > > Looks like the Angels of the Air have smiled on me, and I have the truck and resources to move the piet project. I load the truck next Monday,and I am building a crate to move it in. I expect to unload it into my living room of the apartment I am renting in Nashville, and then drive it down soon after that. My wife is supportive spouse, but a 15 foot fuse in the living room is pushing my luck [Shocked] :D > > I have your phone number, and here is mine in TN: 615-487-9784. > > Woo Hoo! Many thanks for your kindness, and I look forward to meeting the Tennessee contingent of the Piet Fliers :D > > Mark Roberts > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436030#436030 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 22, 2014
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Just a concept. Put it in like it is a piece of custom furniture. A dry bar! Blue Skies, Steve "Pintrist" D. On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> > > Hey Tools! > > Looks like the Angels of the Air have smiled on me, and I have the truck > and resources to move the piet project. I load the truck next Monday,and I > am building a crate to move it in. I expect to unload it into my living > room of the apartment I am renting in Nashville, and then drive it down > soon after that. My wife is supportive spouse, but a 15 foot fuse in the > living room is pushing my luck [Shocked] :D > > I have your phone number, and here is mine in TN: 615-487-9784. > > Woo Hoo! Many thanks for your kindness, and I look forward to meeting the > Tennessee contingent of the Piet Fliers :D > > Mark Roberts > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436030#436030 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 22, 2014
What is emotionally fun about kindred spirits like what is on this list, is that others will revel in other's good fortune: A first flight of a 10 year long build, a shared tear from the passing of someone many of us know only from the list like Vi (I DID buy some hinges a while back fearing they would one day be unavailable... YEAH Oscar!), the rejoicing others share when someone can keep and move a loved project like mine. Oh, AND a guy I don't even know off of this list offers to store my project at no cost in his hanger till I can get on my "building feet" again. Thanks Tools!! And thanks to the rest of ya'll for hollerin' support for me! I sure appreciate it! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436034#436034 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
Date: Dec 23, 2014
Mark, show her how an airplane can be part of the d=E9cor. Here is a picture of my dining room, with my Pietenpol wing when I was just getting started on the project. Of course, I was recently divorced and had no one to consult with about furniture placement options: Note the bandsaw sitting in the dining room. Who could object to that? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( Hey Tools! Looks like the Angels of the Air have smiled on me, and I have the truck and resources to move the piet project. I load the truck next Monday,and I am building a crate to move it in. I expect to unload it into my living room of the apartment I am renting in Nashville, and then drive it down soon after that. My wife is supportive spouse, but a 15 foot fuse in the living room is pushing my luck [Shocked] :D I have your phone number, and here is mine in TN: 615-487-9784. Woo Hoo! Many thanks for your kindness, and I look forward to meeting the Tennessee contingent of the Piet Fliers :D Mark Roberts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436030#436030 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 23, 2014
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Yeah! It's a fine bunch of people! Merry Christmas to all who read this. I repeat a favorite Christmas line, "Just remember what the REAL Cristmas is all about -- not the Santas, snow, and presents -- but the birth of our SAVIOR!!" On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> > > What is emotionally fun about kindred spirits like what is on this list, > is that others will revel in other's good fortune: A first flight of a 10 > year long build, a shared tear from the passing of someone many of us know > only from the list like Vi (I DID buy some hinges a while back fearing they > would one day be unavailable... YEAH Oscar!), the rejoicing others share > when someone can keep and move a loved project like mine. > > Oh, AND a guy I don't even know off of this list offers to store my > project at no cost in his hanger till I can get on my "building feet" > again. Thanks Tools!! > > And thanks to the rest of ya'll for hollerin' support for me! I sure > appreciate it! > > Mark > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436034#436034 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 23, 2014
Wow, that's great news. Odds of me being there are slim, but someone will and will get ya hooked up. Also, my son has been running loads of vanities and granite tops from chatt to Nashville, coming home empty. May be able to get him to grab it there for you and bring it back. By the way, merry Christmas to all! As for this favor, just passing it along... Have been helped like this many times in the past. I'm currently storing another Piet project up here in wisconsin as it turns out! It all works out in the end... I'll give ya call so we can get a plan to deviate from in motion. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436044#436044 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 23, 2014
Wow, that's cool. We got a slug of our dc9's back with the merger... Who knows. Will have to look into that. We've got "the spirit of delta" our first and employee bought 767 in our museum. I got to fly it a couple of times. Really like those sorts of things. Our l1011's were known as puds. Pan am, united delta. When the wind would kick over the rudder full travel, you could still see part of the pan am globe painted on them. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436045#436045 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
Date: Dec 23, 2014
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Date: Dec 23, 2014
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
Way to go Chuck; remembering the real reason for Christmas. Merry Christmas everyone. Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: well said Chuck
Date: Dec 23, 2014
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Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 23, 2014
How Funny Jack! Yes, I have thought about the "furniture" idea before, but realized I married a woman smarter than myself, and she'd catch on pretty fast... We are getting rid of the couch, so I thought, hey! A cockpit has a seat, we'll just put the TV where the Radiator would be on a Model A powered piet... Use it for a living room couch! The look on her face still keeps me sleeping with one eye open. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436060#436060 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
Date: Dec 23, 2014
Hey Jack, So, you got to keep the PIET project, the bad saw, old rifle, puny antlers, r eloading "horn" , two sawhorses and one chair? And of course, the dinning ro om! Congratulations on the decor and surviving! Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Jack Phillips wrot e: > > Mark, show her how an airplane can be part of the d=C3=A9cor. > > Here is a picture of my dining room, with my Pietenpol wing when I was jus t getting started on the project. Of course, I was recently divorced and ha d no one to consult with about furniture placement options: > > > > Note the bandsaw sitting in the dining room. Who could object to that? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:35 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( > m> > > Hey Tools! > > Looks like the Angels of the Air have smiled on me, and I have the truck a nd resources to move the piet project. I load the truck next Monday,and I am building a crate to move it in. I expect to unload it into my living room o f the apartment I am renting in Nashville, and then drive it down soon after that. My wife is supportive spouse, but a 15 foot fuse in the living room i s pushing my luck [Shocked] :D > > I have your phone number, and here is mine in TN: 615-487-9784. > > Woo Hoo! Many thanks for your kindness, and I look forward to meeting the T ennessee contingent of the Piet Fliers :D > > Mark Roberts > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436030#436030 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Dreamin'
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 23, 2014
Sometimes you see something that really strikes you, and just a few minutes ago, I did. I was on Chris Tracy's Westcoastpiet site looking for pictures of the Aerial biplane and was scrolling down the list of names and tail numbers on the Photos page when I got to the M's and noticed 'Miscellaneous', which I clicked on. Two pages of Piet pictures in there, and a builder could do a lot worse than to spend a rainy afternoon looking at almost any of the pictures on Westcoastpiet to get ideas on how to do things. Sure, you can start with the ones that are familiar and are standouts in the fleet, but some of the offbeat ones are interesting too. "Der Faker Fokker" comes to mind (check out the Texas Air Museum link on the Photos page). Then there was the image that caught my attention (see attached). This is the embodiment of what it means to be a builder, a dreamer, an experimenter. Someone who has little more than the dream, the beginnings of an airplane, a helper, and a thin silver strand of a vision holding it all together. This says it all. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436071#436071 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dreamin_174.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 23, 2014
Well, an update for any who are following my saga (and if you are, what a sad life you lead!!) I got a call today from Tools (AKA Mike) and what a great guy. Ever since I decided to build a Piet, I have met nothing but great guys and gals. I know other hobbyists and car clubs, Gun enthusiasts, Ham Radio guys (I am one of those too), etc... All those mutual interests have great people that participate. And I am sure they have their fair share of good folks too. But... I am and have been members of various "hobby" clubs (including Model Airplane clubs most frequently over many locations) and I have NEVER met as nice and generous people as I have in the Piet community. Mike Cuy befriended me once with a DVD, and he knows me not. Gary Boothe visited me and bought my dinner when I had first ordered my plans (and still checks in occasionally to see if I am still breathing Piets...AND recently offered to store my project for me if I couldn't find a suitable solution when I move...) Jim Boyer always made me feel important and was a great conversationalist at the West Coast Piet June gatherings, and ... Mike and Vic Groah welcomed me to their home and let me sit in their yet to be finished project when I was just getting excited about the potential build. I was too fat and large to fit in, but the wooden shoe horn and Vic pushing on my head got me sucked into the seat long enough for a picture... And... a man that I met on the first West Coast Piet gathering I attended, Jim Markle, offered to let me stay at his house as I traversed the country on my first trip to Nashville when I was relocating... I met him ONCE, and even then that was not why he offered to let me stay... He was just a member of this list! Good Lord... ...AND, this list, did a fundraiser for that same Jim when he was going to sell his project to raise cash... (Good Grief folks: What group does THAT for another person that many will never meet!!)... All of these memories (and many more: Charlie Miller giving my wife her first ride in a Piet and setting the "Hook" for me ;o) and it was a bumpy, windy day at that!)... AND all the food Charlie and his beautiful wife provided..., my friend Jorge in Hanford visiting a few times and sharing with me so many ideas and hours visiting about my build), being "inducted" into the Great Waldo Pepper phraseology club by watching a DVD of the movie given to me by Gary Boothe so I'd understand the inside jokes on the list, AND, the patience poor Gary had when first meeting me as I babbled on INCESSANTLY at that free dinner he took me to.. Poor man hasn't recovered yet from the earful of non-stop talking I did that night...).... 4 years of West Coast Piet gatherings where I met and fellowshipped with MANY a good person, Yes, all of these memories are special to me, and at 54 (OMG... Why do I look 76??), I am glad I can continue to make more memories with this group, as I can keep my project, thanks to more friends I have yet to meet face to face, but offering to house my project for me until I can get settled, and even then whenever I am ready to pick it up. Now, shouldn't our own FAMILY operate that way? As we gather this Christmas/Chanukkah season, or whatever you celebrate, I hope you remember that THIS group, is different. Different than most people that you will pass walking down the street, who look down and don't say hi, >From a Civic Club like Rotary/kiwanis that gathers once a week and fines each other for various newsworthy activities, Different than various hobby clubs that meet and share ideas and techniques Piet People are seemingly joined by a project, values and time that ties them somehow to 1930. A time when people were neighborly, trusting and helpful. Somehow, inconceivably, the elements of the project attracts the person who seems to resonate with the era of Americana values: to help others when others need help--- Remember the stories of Bernard Pietenpol himself leaving gas in the plane's tank so he could fly others to get help if needed in an emergency--- Seems that sentiment follows the set of plans... or.. somehow those people are attracted to the plane itself. It's a mystery that will continue to follow the future generations of Piet builders. Merry Christmas. Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436072#436072 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 24, 2014
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Latex Paint Rolling Video
I just finished a new video on applying latex paint with a roller. After th e sanding and polishing process the results are nearly as good as spraying. Both methods, spraying and rolling have their advantages. Spraying gives the best finish, it=99s faster for big areas, and requ ires less sanding to smooth the orange peel. But, you need spray equipment and a paint booth the contain the over spray, and you need to mask parts th at you don=99t want painted. Rolling is faster for smaller areas and requires no masking other than alon g edges, it needs no paint booth or equipment, there=99s no over spra y. But, it requires more sanding to remove the orange peel and while the re sult is quite good it=99s probably not quite as good as spraying. Have a look at the video and let me know what you think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhlxE3EFcCQ Merry Christmas Malcolm Morrison www.wienerdogaero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: The Sheppard
From: John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 24, 2014
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Date: Dec 24, 2014
Subject: The Shepherd
From: John Egan <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com>
Hello Piet Builders, With hope, I've attached a link to a U-Tube video that I hope many will enjoy this season. CBC Radio broadcasts this story every Christmas Eve. I've also attached a photo of my Pietenpol project to ensure this email is not off topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2_bLEqmBi0 *The Shepherd* relates the story of a De Havilland Vampire <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Vampire> pilot, going home on Christmas Eve <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Eve> 1957, whose aircraft suffers a complete electrical failure en route from RAF Celle <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Celle> (note: in fact, Celle had ceased to be an RAF station less than a month previously) in northern Germany to RAF Lakenheath <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Lakenheath> in Suffolk <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk>. Lost in fog and low on fuel, he is met and led (or shepherded) to a disused RAF dispersal field by the pilot of a De Havilland Mosquito <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito> fighter-bomber <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighter-bomber> of World War II <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II> vintage, who has apparently been sent up to guide him in. John Greenville, WI , ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The Shepherd
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 24, 2014
John, the Shepherd is my absolute favourite aviation related Christmas story. Thank you. And your Piet is beautiful too. Merry Christmas builders and fliers! Scott Knowlton Burlington Ontario Canada Tax paying contributor to CBC Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2014, at 6:06 AM, "John Egan" <1smilingmoon(at)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Piet Builders, > > With hope, I've attached a link to a U-Tube video that I hope many will > enjoy this season. CBC Radio broadcasts this story every Christmas Eve. > I've also attached a photo of my Pietenpol project to ensure this email is > not off topic. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2_bLEqmBi0 > > *The Shepherd* relates the story of a De Havilland Vampire > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Vampire> pilot, going home > on Christmas > Eve <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Eve> 1957, whose aircraft > suffers a complete electrical failure en route from RAF Celle > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Celle> (note: in fact, Celle had ceased > to be an RAF station less than a month previously) in northern Germany to RAF > Lakenheath <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Lakenheath> in Suffolk > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk>. Lost in fog and low on fuel, he is > met and led (or shepherded) to a disused RAF dispersal field by the pilot > of a De Havilland Mosquito > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito> fighter-bomber > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighter-bomber> of World War II > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II> vintage, who has apparently > been sent up to guide him in. > > John > > Greenville, WI > > , > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: The Shepherd
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 24, 2014
Wonderful photo of your Piet....! Looks great..... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436114#436114 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FAA checkride
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 24, 2014
I'm surprised nobody posted the one that shows up this time of year. It goes like this: Santa was getting the sleigh, harness, and reindeer team all ready for Christmas delivery time but before the rig would get signed off for the flight, the FAA inspector had to go over it and Santa would need a checkride to get current. As Santa went inside to get his logbook and paperwork all in order for the inspector, the head elf snugged the last of the harness buckles as he worked his way aft to the sleigh, and then he watched as the inspector took right seat and cinched down his seatbelt. Suddenly his eyes got as big as saucers as he noticed the inspector tucking a shotgun down under the blanket that covered his legs for the open cockpit ride. Noticing the surprise on the elf's face, the inspector turned to the elf and winked as he whispered, "Santa doesn't know this yet, but he's going to lose an engine on takeoff..." -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436144#436144 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FAA checkride
From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" <curtdm(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 24, 2014
I'll be home for Christmas! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436146#436146 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_878.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 24, 2014
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 2014 List of Contributors
Dear Listers, The 2014 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of weeks ago and it's time that I published this year's List of Contributors. It is the people on this list that directly make these Email Lists and Forums possible! Their generous Contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running! You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I also want to thank Andy, Bob, Corbin, George, and Jon for their generous support through the supply of many great gifts this year!! These guys have some excellent products and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites: Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com Corbin Glowacki - My Pilot Store - http://www.mypilotstore.com George Race - Race Consulting - http://www.mrrace.com Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com And finally, I'm proud to present The 2014 Fund Raiser List of Contributors: http://www.matronics.com/loc/2014.html Thank you again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 2014 List of Contributors
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 24, 2014
Heh, heh... there I am, last on the list again ;o) Where are the Zweigs and the Zupans and the (very few) others who occasionally end up behind me in line? -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436224#436224 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford
From: "edwoerle" <edwoerle(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 24, 2014
I've still got the 'spirit' 767 poster with the piece of ribbon attached here in the shop somewhere. I remember when we bought the DC10s because Lockheed was in such bad financial trouble. We should have kept them instead of selling to United and leasing back. Oh, well. Hindsight. Happy holidays to all who see this message. Thank a serviceman for keeping us free enough to read it, and a teacher for giving us to tools to. -------- Just east of Graceland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436227#436227 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 25, 2014
Subject: Re: 2014 List of Contributors
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
Thank You, Oscar.... for being there... On Dec 24, 2014 9:05 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > Heh, heh... there I am, last on the list again ;o) Where are the Zweigs > and the Zupans and the (very few) others who occasionally end up behind me > in line? > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436224#436224 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 25, 2014
Great video! Thanks for posting. I always enjoy watching them. I think the Homebuilt world is ready and needs a good top coat paint or additive that can be rolled on which eliminates the orange peel effect .... maybe I will work on that this year? WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436236#436236 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: OT: just when you thought you've seen it all at a tsa
check
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 25, 2014
Slow day, the checkpoint is closed for another half hour, I just settle down nearby. Tsa guy sees me, comes over and asks me if I want an omelette... Uh... Ya... I think... Is this a trick question? Next thing I know I'm escorted to the bowls of the airport where I get an omelette cooked to order, bacon, sausage, English muffin, coffee and home made peppermint bark. Wow. Took the pain of commuting to work on Christmas right out. Merry Christmas! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436253#436253 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OT: just when you thought you've seen it all at a
tsa check
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 25, 2014
Nice surprise...! Thx for sharing. -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436258#436258 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 25, 2014
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
Merry Christmas Mark, I hope your move works out well for you. I am really=C2-glad you are able to take your project Piet with you. Keep at it and you will get it done. I have 12 years plus in mine now and I think I can see the end down the road a ways. You are the kind of person the Piet list needs to keep. Have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New year Mark. Jim and Arlene =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
Date: Dec 25, 2014
Mark, Sure glad you can keep your PIET. And I hope you will be able to come back to CA someday to finish it. We need people like you in our State! If you ever need a contact in the northern part of the State, let me know and I will help in any way possible. Hope you can just continue building in TN, not just use your fuselage as a piece of furniture. Hope to see you sometime and hear more from you, Ray Krause Building SkyScout Sent from my iPad > On Dec 23, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > > Well, an update for any who are following my saga (and if you are, what a sad life you lead!!) > > I got a call today from Tools (AKA Mike) and what a great guy. Ever since I decided to build a Piet, I have met nothing but great guys and gals. I know other hobbyists and car clubs, Gun enthusiasts, Ham Radio guys (I am one of those too), etc... All those mutual interests have great people that participate. And I am sure they have their fair share of good folks too. But... > > I am and have been members of various "hobby" clubs (including Model Airplane clubs most frequently over many locations) and I have NEVER met as nice and generous people as I have in the Piet community. > > Mike Cuy befriended me once with a DVD, and he knows me not. > > Gary Boothe visited me and bought my dinner when I had first ordered my plans (and still checks in occasionally to see if I am still breathing Piets...AND recently offered to store my project for me if I couldn't find a suitable solution when I move...) > > Jim Boyer always made me feel important and was a great conversationalist at the West Coast Piet June gatherings, and ... > > Mike and Vic Groah welcomed me to their home and let me sit in their yet to be finished project when I was just getting excited about the potential build. I was too fat and large to fit in, but the wooden shoe horn and Vic pushing on my head got me sucked into the seat long enough for a picture... > > And... a man that I met on the first West Coast Piet gathering I attended, Jim Markle, offered to let me stay at his house as I traversed the country on my first trip to Nashville when I was relocating... I met him ONCE, and even then that was not why he offered to let me stay... He was just a member of this list! Good Lord... > > ...AND, this list, did a fundraiser for that same Jim when he was going to sell his project to raise cash... (Good Grief folks: What group does THAT for another person that many will never meet!!)... > > All of these memories (and many more: > > Charlie Miller giving my wife her first ride in a Piet and setting the "Hook" for me ;o) and it was a bumpy, windy day at that!)... AND all the food Charlie and his beautiful wife provided..., > > my friend Jorge in Hanford visiting a few times and sharing with me so many ideas and hours visiting about my build), > > being "inducted" into the Great Waldo Pepper phraseology club by watching a DVD of the movie given to me by Gary Boothe so I'd understand the inside jokes on the list, AND, the patience poor Gary had when first meeting me as I babbled on INCESSANTLY at that free dinner he took me to.. Poor man hasn't recovered yet from the earful of non-stop talking I did that night...).... > > 4 years of West Coast Piet gatherings where I met and fellowshipped with MANY a good person, > > Yes, all of these memories are special to me, and at 54 (OMG... Why do I look 76??), I am glad I can continue to make more memories with this group, as I can keep my project, thanks to more friends I have yet to meet face to face, but offering to house my project for me until I can get settled, and even then whenever I am ready to pick it up. > > Now, shouldn't our own FAMILY operate that way? > > As we gather this Christmas/Chanukkah season, or whatever you celebrate, I hope you remember that THIS group, is different. > > Different than most people that you will pass walking down the street, who look down and don't say hi, > >> From a Civic Club like Rotary/kiwanis that gathers once a week and fines each other for various newsworthy activities, > > Different than various hobby clubs that meet and share ideas and techniques > > Piet People are seemingly joined by a project, values and time that ties them somehow to 1930. A time when people were neighborly, trusting and helpful. > > Somehow, inconceivably, the elements of the project attracts the person who seems to resonate with the era of Americana values: to help others when others need help--- Remember the stories of Bernard Pietenpol himself leaving gas in the plane's tank so he could fly others to get help if needed in an emergency--- > > Seems that sentiment follows the set of plans... or.. somehow those people are attracted to the plane itself. > > It's a mystery that will continue to follow the future generations of Piet builders. > > Merry Christmas. > > Mark > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436072#436072 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 26, 2014
Malcolm; That is really interesting, and you make it look very easy to get a nice smooth finish and a great shine! I'm sure it ends up requiring a lot of hours of work to do all of those steps for an entire airplane, but then again if you paint as you build (tail, fuselage, wings), it spreads the work out somewhat. Also, many Piet builders go for less of a shine and polish since the early Air Campers were built for simple and low-cost building and flying. A little bit of orange peel and a little less shine would be perfectly acceptable if you were flying your Piet off a grass pasture down on the farm and there were no judges looking at the paint job. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436295#436295 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 27, 2014
From: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video
Oscar You are quite correct on all counts. The process is not especially hard, but applying to an entire airplane does require a bit of time and elbow grease. Of course, it pales in comparison to how long it takes to build an entire airplane. I didn't say it on the last video but I have on some of the others, that the painted finish before sanding and polishing looks just fine as it is for some applications, vintage aircraft like Piets included. As you know, un-polished latex has been used on several Piets in the past and they look great. The hi-gloss, wet look would be truly out of place on such aircraft. That's great news for those looking for a flat or semi-gloss look. In fact, brush strokes in the paint might even be appropriate to give it more of an antique look. Either way, latex is simple and low cost, whether polished or not. I think I may have been a crow in a past life, I'm irresistibly attracted to shinny things! Malcolm Morrison www.wienerdogaero.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 8:33:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video Malcolm; That is really interesting, and you make it look very easy to get a nice smooth finish and a great shine! I'm sure it ends up requiring a lot of hours of work to do all of those steps for an entire airplane, but then again if you paint as you build (tail, fuselage, wings), it spreads the work out somewhat. Also, many Piet builders go for less of a shine and polish since the early Air Campers were built for simple and low-cost building and flying. A little bit of orange peel and a little less shine would be perfectly acceptable if you were flying your Piet off a grass pasture down on the farm and there were no judges looking at the paint job. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436295#436295 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video
Date: Dec 26, 2014
Oscar, Gary Booth used the Stewart System on his PIET but went right to a latex pri mer, then latex finishing coats, all with roller (I think). It is absolutely beautiful! It looks very Period like, not at all glossy. There are pictures on Westcoast Pietenpol. I'm going to follow his lead and go Stewart's cover ing then right to latex, no EkoFill. I also plan on using some clear coats o f latex so it really looks semi transparent like the old planes. Thanks, Ray Krause SkyScout Sent from my iPad > On Dec 26, 2014, at 6:56 PM, gliderx5(at)comcast.net wrote: > > Oscar > > You are quite correct on all counts. The process is not especially hard, b ut applying to an entire airplane does require a bit of time and elbow greas e. Of course, it pales in comparison to how long it takes to build an entire airplane. I didn't say it on the last video but I have on some of the other s, that the painted finish before sanding and polishing looks just fine as i t is for some applications, vintage aircraft like Piets included. As you kno w, un-polished latex has been used on several Piets in the past and they loo k great. The hi-gloss, wet look would be truly out of place on such aircraft . That's great news for those looking for a flat or semi-gloss look. In fact , brush strokes in the paint might even be appropriate to give it more of an antique look. Either way, latex is simple and low cost, whether polished or not. > > I think I may have been a crow in a past life, I'm irresistibly attracted t o shinny things! > > Malcolm Morrison > www.wienerdogaero.com > > From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 8:33:57 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video > > > Malcolm; > > That is really interesting, and you make it look very easy to get a nice s mooth finish and a great shine! I'm sure it ends up requiring a lot of hour s of work to do all of those steps for an entire airplane, but then again if you paint as you build (tail, fuselage, wings), it spreads the work out som ewhat. Also, many Piet builders go for less of a shine and polish since the early Air Campers were built for simple and low-cost building and flying. A little bit of orange peel and a little less shine would be perfectly accept able if you were flying your Piet off a grass pasture down on the farm and t here were no judges looking at the paint job. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436295#436295 > ; &nb - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -<=== == > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 27, 2014
Subject: Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Oscar and Malcolm, Mine is done in semi gloss Latex. I sprayed most and rolled some. For me spraying on was faster and more consistent than rolling. I used a Harbor Freight HVLP gun. After discussions with John K I went with semi gloss as it does not emphasize flaws and is much more forgiving. Flat would probably cover up flaws. I like the ease of application and the fact that I can do it in shorts and a set of safety glasses and a paper mask. My two year old grandson can stumble into the paint and it is just a soap and water cleanup. Also in moving it, there have been some scabs on the new paint. I am not stressed. A little Xylene on a cotton rag will feather the edges and I can spray or roll to patch it. Malcolm, your videos gave me great confidence. Thank you for sharing. I am not worried about stripping the plane someday and doing a different paint job. Now I am headed to the airport to get some work done. Blue Skies, Steve D On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > Oscar, > > Gary Booth used the Stewart System on his PIET but went right to a latex > primer, then latex finishing coats, all with roller (I think). It is > absolutely beautiful! It looks very Period like, not at all glossy. There > are pictures on Westcoast Pietenpol. I'm going to follow his lead and go > Stewart's covering then right to latex, no EkoFill. I also plan on using > some clear coats of latex so it really looks semi transparent like the old > planes. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > SkyScout > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 26, 2014, at 6:56 PM, gliderx5(at)comcast.net wrote: > > Oscar > > You are quite correct on all counts. The process is not especially hard, > but applying to an entire airplane does require a bit of time and elbow > grease. Of course, it pales in comparison to how long it takes to build an > entire airplane. I didn't say it on the last video but I have on some of > the others, that the painted finish before sanding and polishing looks just > fine as it is for some applications, vintage aircraft like Piets included. > As you know, un-polished latex has been used on several Piets in the past > and they look great. The hi-gloss, wet look would be truly out of place on > such aircraft. That's great news for those looking for a flat or semi-gloss > look. In fact, brush strokes in the paint might even be appropriate to give > it more of an antique look. Either way, latex is simple and low cost, > whether polished or not. > > I think I may have been a crow in a past life, I'm irresistibly attracted > to shinny things! > > Malcolm Morrison > www.wienerdogaero.com > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> > *To: *pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent: *Friday, December 26, 2014 8:33:57 PM > *Subject: *Pietenpol-List: Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video > > > Malcolm; > > That is really interesting, and you make it look very easy to get a nice > smooth finish and a great shine! I'm sure it ends up requiring a lot of > hours of work to do all of those steps for an entire airplane, but then > again if you paint as you build (tail, fuselage, wings), it spreads the > work out somewhat. Also, many Piet builders go for less of a shine and > polish since the early Air Campers were built for simple and low-cost > building and flying. A little bit of orange peel and a little less shine > would be perfectly acceptable if you were flying your Piet off a grass > pasture down on the farm and there were no judges looking at the paint job. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436295#436295 > ; &nb - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -<===== > > > * > > D============================================ > ot;">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> > books.com <http://books.com>"">www.buildersbooks.com > quot;">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> > quot;">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> > ">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> > ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > D============================================ > npol-List"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > D============================================ > //forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> > D============================================ > > * > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 27, 2014
Okay, so I located the moving box where I kept the test swatches that resulted from my "latex vs. Poly-Fiber" test five years ago. I wrote up that test here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/paint/paint.html I had intended to set the four samples outdoors for a year and then punch-test the fabric to see what happens, but that never got done when we lived in San Antonio so I'll set up a test frame and get the samples outdoors here in Oregon for 2015. My office is in a 2-story building with a flat roof and a nice ladder access through a roof hatch, so it should be easy to get the test frame set up in good position to face south for the next 12 months and four seasons. Stay tuned... ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436320#436320 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Vi Kapler Information
From: "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net>
Date: Dec 27, 2014
Vitalis Jerome Kapler May 14, 1927 - December 11,2014 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436323#436323 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/vi_kapler_1_513.jpeg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 27, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video
rust o leum makes a latex clear coat the looks great. thin it like any late x paint i used behr for color on my heath parasoljim hyde On Saturday, December 27, 2014 12:04 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail. com> wrote: Okay, so I located the moving box where I kept the test swatches that resul ted from my "latex vs. Poly-Fiber" test five years ago.=C2- I wrote up th at test here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/paint/paint.html I had intended to set the four samples outdoors for a year and then punch-t est the fabric to see what happens, but that never got done when we lived i n San Antonio so I'll set up a test frame and get the samples outdoors here in Oregon for 2015.=C2- My office is in a 2-story building with a flat r oof and a nice ladder access through a roof hatch, so it should be easy to get the test frame set up in good position to face south for the next 12 mo nths and four seasons.=C2- Stay tuned... ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436320#436320 =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. S - ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 27, 2014
From: jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video
i used a kobalt latex gur 50.00 spraying is best. tried it with a roller te st sprat is fast, light and no issues hyde On Saturday, December 27, 2014 1:49 PM, jim hyde wro te: rust o leum makes a latex clear coat the looks great. thin it like any lat ex paint i used behr for color on my heath parasoljim hyde On Saturday, December 27, 2014 12:04 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail. com> wrote: Okay, so I located the moving box where I kept the test swatches that resul ted from my "latex vs. Poly-Fiber" test five years ago.=C2- I wrote up th at test here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/paint/paint.html I had intended to set the four samples outdoors for a year and then punch-t est the fabric to see what happens, but that never got done when we lived i n San Antonio so I'll set up a test frame and get the samples outdoors here in Oregon for 2015.=C2- My office is in a 2-story building with a flat r oof and a nice ladder access through a roof hatch, so it should be easy to get the test frame set up in good position to face south for the next 12 mo nths and four seasons.=C2- Stay tuned... ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436320#436320 =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. S - ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: hangar visits
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Dec 29, 2014
Since the list is so slow right now, I don't feel too bad posting this (slightly off-topic, but maybe not) post. I had a visit today from another West Coast builder, Mike Hardaway. He was headed back down I-5 from Portland and stopped by MFR just before lunch. Like most people on this list, I had emailed back and forth with Mike and had read his posts to the list but had never met him face to face. And, like most people on this list, Mike is just good folks. He saw my hangar junk, saw my projects, saw Scout, and we visited for just a few minutes because he was facing another 10 hours on the road, with part of that being the crossing of the Siskiyou Summit at the Oregon-California border. I could already see that the clouds in that direction were thick, dark, and ominous so I don't blame him for wanting to make best possible time in daylight. Mike talked up the West Coast Piet Gathering with enthusiasm, throwing in something about a chocolate cheesecake just for good measure. Surely he knows that pilots as a genre don't need a lot of encouragement when it comes to food in general, and there was no need to pitch the cheesecake too? As in many instances when I've met other builders and pilots in this group, I end up being the benefactor. Mike noticed my Honda CX500 project bike in the hangar and mentioned that he had gotten rid of his two CX500s but still had some parts and pieces, so he's passing them on to me. This is how we feed one another's hobbies and pastimes! Thanks for the visit, Mike. Hope you made it home safely. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436418#436418 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: hangar visits
Date: Dec 29, 2014
Too bad Mike could have stopped by Colusa tomorrow to meet up with a bunch of the WestCoast Piet folks here to see my work in progress. Gary Boothe, Chris Tracy, Jim Boyer, Brian Reiger and his dad and others will be here. I wish I had his email, I would invite him because he may still be around. Let him know, please. We will meet at the Colusa airport (O08) at 9AM, then to 822 Market Street, then to 843 Jay Street (my home and shop). Then lunch (chili and corn bread) at the last address at about 11-12. It's all free, great company, but dessert may be doubtful! Don't think Scout could make it here on such short notice! But they are predicting 25-40 MPH north winds, could speed up your flight! You can always stay here over night, lots of room! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Dec 29, 2014, at 6:07 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > Since the list is so slow right now, I don't feel too bad posting this (slightly off-topic, but maybe not) post. I had a visit today from another West Coast builder, Mike Hardaway. He was headed back down I-5 from Portland and stopped by MFR just before lunch. Like most people on this list, I had emailed back and forth with Mike and had read his posts to the list but had never met him face to face. And, like most people on this list, Mike is just good folks. He saw my hangar junk, saw my projects, saw Scout, and we visited for just a few minutes because he was facing another 10 hours on the road, with part of that being the crossing of the Siskiyou Summit at the Oregon-California border. I could already see that the clouds in that direction were thick, dark, and ominous so I don't blame him for wanting to make best possible time in daylight. > > Mike talked up the West Coast Piet Gathering with enthusiasm, throwing in something about a chocolate cheesecake just for good measure. Surely he knows that pilots as a genre don't need a lot of encouragement when it comes to food in general, and there was no need to pitch the cheesecake too? > > As in many instances when I've met other builders and pilots in this group, I end up being the benefactor. Mike noticed my Honda CX500 project bike in the hangar and mentioned that he had gotten rid of his two CX500s but still had some parts and pieces, so he's passing them on to me. This is how we feed one another's hobbies and pastimes! Thanks for the visit, Mike. Hope you made it home safely. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436418#436418 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Dec 31, 2014
I hope everyone has a good safe new year. I challenge all to get out and welcome in the new year with a Piet flight. It will certainly be a cold flight for us out here on the West coast. Cheers to all and best wishes, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436453#436453 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 31, 2014
Happy New Year to you, Scott and everyone on the list. I take that challenge. I always like to start the year right. Actually, it won't be too bad here in VA. Forecast is 44 degrees but a bit windy. =0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0ANX629ML=0A=0A=0A=0A- ----Original Message-----=0AFrom: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org >=0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Wed, Dec 31, 2014 11:51 am=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIET =0A=0AI hope everyone has a good safe ne w year. I challenge all to get out and =0Awelcome in th e new year with a Piet flight. It will certainly be a cold flight =0Afor us out here on the West coast. =0A=0AC heers to all and best wishes,=0A=0A--------=0AScott Liefeld=0AFlying N11MS since March 1972=0ASteel Tube=0AC-85-12=0AWire Wheels=0ABrodh ead in 1996=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://f =========================== =========================== -Matt =========================== =========================== =========================== ======================0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 31, 2014
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
Happy New Year Scott. My Piets not flying yet but will be flying to lunch with my local chapter tomorrow so Have a Happy New Year and see you at Frazier Lake next summer. Jim and Arlene ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 31, 2014
So it is officially on its way to Nashville!! Thanks to Tools for offering to house it for me until I can find a place to build it in Nashville. Anyone else building one without a garage? My wife supports the project, but refuses to let me build it in the living room... :( Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436475#436475 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_278.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_297.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_158.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_314.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Date: Dec 31, 2014
Time to replace her! A guy's gotta set priorities. Only kidding good luck in your new home. Happy new year! Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2014, at 6:54 PM, "Mark Roberts" wrote: > > > So it is officially on its way to Nashville!! > > Thanks to Tools for offering to house it for me until I can find a place to build it in Nashville. Anyone else building one without a garage? My wife supports the project, but refuses to let me build it in the living room... :( > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436475#436475 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_278.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_297.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_158.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_314.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
Date: Dec 31, 2014
Sure glad you did not have to sell it, Congratulations! Just yesterday I got my SkyScout all put together, rigged and ready to cover . Gary Boothe, Chris Tracy, Brian Reiger, his Dad, Mark, Merle Reppart, and a few others gathered for an inspection and critique. Gary even came back today to give me some guidance on covering the rudder, m y first attempt at covering (may be seen in the picture). Thanks, everyone, for all the good advice! And Gary, thanks for the covering pointers and for the supplies. I should have the rudder done tomorrow. What a way to start the New Year! Thanks, everyone, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Dec 31, 2014, at 6:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > m> > > So it is officially on its way to Nashville!! > > Thanks to Tools for offering to house it for me until I can find a place t o build it in Nashville. Anyone else building one without a garage? My wif e supports the project, but refuses to let me build it in the living room... :( > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436475#436475 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_278.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_297.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_158.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_314.jpg > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >

      
      
      
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Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Dec 31, 2014
It looks great Ray. What a great bunch of guys we can call our friends. Good luck in the new year. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436478#436478 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Dec 31, 2014
Mark, have a safe trip. It has been a pleasure knowing you. Please.come back and join us in June. Best regards, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436479#436479 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 31, 2014
How Fun to have all the help to assemble the plane! All those guys are such good people... Glad to have all the relationships there in CA and looking forward to new ones in TN ... Hope to fly to Brodhead one day to see ya'll again! Happy New Year!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436480#436480 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Access to front pit
From: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Date: Dec 31, 2014
Wow, I just did a mock up of the front pit and center struts . How does a reasonably sized adult mount the front cockpit? Is a door for the front a viable option? Plans in the flying and glider manual call for strut length of21 3/4". That's what I used to set distance between bottom of wing and top of longeron. Glen Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
Date: Dec 31, 2014
Ray, It is a privilege to acquaint with such fine people as those who populate the "Pietenpol Community." One can easily see that you are well-respected in your town...for reasons including, and other than, those related to your ability to build flying machines. I hope 2015 is a good year for you... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( Sure glad you did not have to sell it, Congratulations! Just yesterday I got my SkyScout all put together, rigged and ready to cover. Gary Boothe, Chris Tracy, Brian Reiger, his Dad, Mark, Merle Reppart, and a few others gathered for an inspection and critique. Gary even came back today to give me some guidance on covering the rudder, my first attempt at covering (may be seen in the picture). Thanks, everyone, for all the good advice! And Gary, thanks for the covering pointers and for the supplies. I should have the rudder done tomorrow. What a way to start the New Year! Thanks, everyone, Ray Krause ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
Date: Dec 31, 2014
Mark, Best wishes to you and your wife in Tennessee. It's a brave thing to pick up and move all that distance. May 2015, and TN, be everything you are hoping for... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :( --> How Fun to have all the help to assemble the plane! All those guys are such good people... Glad to have all the relationships there in CA and looking forward to new ones in TN ... Hope to fly to Brodhead one day to see ya'll again! Happy New Year!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436480#436480 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 01, 2015
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Mark, I would never suggest that you build a plane in your living room if your spouse disapproves. BUT, there are many of the smaller projects that you can do in the living room without displacing her and her living area. Perhaps she will let you have a table and chair in a corner where you can do a lot of the fitting for smaller parts and such. So far my experience has been few big events, but a lot of little projects. Blue Skies, Steve D. On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com> > > So it is officially on its way to Nashville!! > > Thanks to Tools for offering to house it for me until I can find a place > to build it in Nashville. Anyone else building one without a garage? My > wife supports the project, but refuses to let me build it in the living > room... :( > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436475#436475 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_278.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_297.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_158.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_314.jpg > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Access to front pit
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 01, 2015
Nothing to it, Glen. Watch the first two minutes of this video as Mike Cuy demonstrates the front cockpit entry/exit technique and then a first-timer tries it for himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-EgR2eGbN0 -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436499#436499 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Access to front pit
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 01, 2015
...and if you like the sound of radial engines, crank up the bass and volume and enjoy the rumble of the Lambert radial that Frank Pavliga had on "Sky Gypsy" at one time, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpumos7ywgM I'm sure Aerocar Jake will like that one since he's got a Rotec radial on his Piet. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436500#436500 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Access to front pit
From: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Date: Jan 01, 2015
Thank you Oscar! No problem, no door, oh good. I've started this journey,by the way. The upper wing for the aerial is the standard Piet wing. I made the wing rib jig. Next weekend I'll build the work bench. After all the preliminary stuff, I plan to keep a pretty extensive video log of progress. Thanks for all the help and support. Happy new year. Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 1, 2015, at 10:40 AM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > Nothing to it, Glen. Watch the first two minutes of this video as Mike Cuy demonstrates the front cockpit entry/exit technique and then a first-timer tries it for himself: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-EgR2eGbN0 > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436499#436499 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 01, 2015
Happy new year again. I just got back from the airport. I did fly but got a late start. I wanted to break ground at 8 am pacific time but it was just too cold for that. 16 degrees, burr. I did lift off at 10am after it got a lot warmer. 34 degrees. A bit chilly but still a great way to start the new year. Hope you all have as good a day as I have. Cheers -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436504#436504 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Access to front pit
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 01, 2015
I guess if I could get myself and Scout over to the coast sometime, you could try folding yourself into the front cockpit for real. Then if you were real courageous, I could take you up for a ride. I've had a 210 lb. pax up in the front seat, and I think I may have taken a 220 lb pax for a ride too. If you can fit into the front cockpit, the plane can lift the load and still be in CG and within the max gross. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436507#436507 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Jan 01, 2015
Here's a short video from my last flight of 2014: http://youtu.be/WkRdavRQsL0 Happy New Year! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436508#436508 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Access to front pit
From: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Date: Jan 01, 2015
Hi Oscar. Actually, I've moved from the coast to Hubbard,near Woodburn, about10miles from aurora state airport. If you're offering a "try it on for size" opportunity, count me in! You don't have to fly all the way up here(thank you so much) I'd gladly drive down to meet you. I saw in the video link that 6'3" guy fold up enough to get in so I'm sure I could do it at5'9", 155#. I plan to spend my time in the rear pit anyway, but have often wondered how it's done. Worst case scenario would be to make pietenpol branded pretzels? Glen Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 1, 2015, at 1:20 PM, "taildrags" wrote: > > > I guess if I could get myself and Scout over to the coast sometime, you could try folding yourself into the front cockpit for real. Then if you were real courageous, I could take you up for a ride. I've had a 210 lb. pax up in the front seat, and I think I may have taken a 220 lb pax for a ride too. If you can fit into the front cockpit, the plane can lift the load and still be in CG and within the max gross. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436507#436507 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Access to front pit
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 01, 2015
Frank's ship looks GREAT - way more vintage with the Lambert than mine will ever be w/ the ROTEC. (I've always referred to mine a "modern interpretation" of Bernard Pietenpol's 1931 Velie-powered ship.) My cabaine struts are 2" longer than plans for better access/headroom. Happy new year everyone..... Sure grateful for all the camaraderie/info/friendships on this site and among the Pietenpol community........... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436512#436512 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
Date: Jan 01, 2015
You lucky bum! I will bet I get to do the same next year. It's a challenge, you're on? Happy New Year, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 1, 2015, at 1:08 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > Happy new year again. I just got back from the airport. I did fly but got a late start. I wanted to break ground at 8 am pacific time but it was just too cold for that. 16 degrees, burr. I did lift off at 10am after it got a lot warmer. 34 degrees. A bit chilly but still a great way to start the new year. Hope you all have as good a day as I have. Cheers > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436504#436504 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
Date: Jan 01, 2015
Way cool, Jeff! Thanks. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 1, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > > Here's a short video from my last flight of 2014: > > http://youtu.be/WkRdavRQsL0 > > Happy New Year! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436508#436508 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Access to front pit
Date: Jan 02, 2015
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O56GAtV3FdU It's a long video, but scroll ahead to 17:45 and see how easily my 6'2" son exits the front cockpit. BTW...cabanes are plans length, no door...turtledeck is even 1 1/2" taller than plans. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 10:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Access to front pit --> Nothing to it, Glen. Watch the first two minutes of this video as Mike Cuy demonstrates the front cockpit entry/exit technique and then a first-timer tries it for himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-EgR2eGbN0 -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436499#436499 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Off Topic: #rd World Space Program
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 02, 2015
Since the list is slow. Enjoy everyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD_yQZ4iNjY&feature=player_embedded -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436525#436525 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Access to front pit
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 02, 2015
Glen; I'm almost exactly the same size as you are... 5'-9" and usually around 155 lbs but right now (post-holidays and haven't been working out) I'm carrying "a little extra" ;o) I can get in and out of the front cockpit without all of the gymnastics shown in the video that Rudy made of Mike Cuy's airplane. It's pretty easy, even wearing winter gear. You should have no trouble, except that I don't know how a lower wing will change the picture. If you reinforce the wing in the area where there would normally be a wing walk, it should be an absolute piece of cake. So I see that Hubbard is about 35 miles from Independence. I've been trying to get up to Independence to visit with friends, so if I get over there you'll be welcome to hop a ride in Scout. I'm hoping there are still one or two of the old Noon Patrol Nieuport replicas up there so I can fly a sortie with them. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436526#436526 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2015
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
Hi Ray, I flew to Willows for lunch yesterday with a bunch from our chapter. All to tal I counted 37 airplanes on the ramp and Nancy's restaurant was really pa cked. It was fun; we had at least 15 people from our chapter plus others th at came from Sacramento and San Jose. Happy New Year Everyone. Jim B. and Arlene =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
Date: Jan 02, 2015
Jim, Wish I could have been there, we had a big family function. I heard about th e turn out from others, sounded great. Hope you can make it again. Happy New Year, Ray Sent from my iPad > On Jan 2, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Jim Boyer wrote: > > Hi Ray, > I flew to Willows for lunch yesterday with a bunch from our chapter. All t otal I counted 37 airplanes on the ramp and Nancy's restaurant was really pa cked. It was fun; we had at least 15 people from our chapter plus others tha t came from Sacramento and San Jose. > Happy New Year Everyone. > Jim B. and Arlene > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 02, 2015
Hmmm... Willows is only 220 miles from Medford. If it weren't for that pesky Siskiyou Summit between the two points ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436534#436534 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 02, 2015
Jim, We stopped and ate at Nancy's back in 1994. If I recall correctly they would take pics of the planes and pilots who visited and put them on the Cafe walls. Is this the same place? I had forgotten all about it until I read your post. Oscar, We will get you to cross that small mountain range this year. I predict it will happen around the first weekend in June. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436536#436536 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 02, 2015
Speaking of which (thank you, Scott)- does that mean that the 2015 event at Frazier Lake would be the weekend of June 5-6-7? The main day being Saturday the 6th, of course. I still have all the charts and fuel stops and flight log from my planning of the 2014 flight that never happened, so picking it up again this year would only mean refreshing my charts. I've got to fabricate and install a Bill Rewey-style handheld radio holder, and I may also rig up some sort of iPhone holder so I can use my phone map. I have a Garmin GPSMap 196 too, but I haven't installed it or flown it in the Piet yet. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436537#436537 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 02, 2015
Also (and this is completely off-topic now), I happened to be looking for something on the Westcoastpiet site and out of curiosity I clicked on the very first listing on the 'Photos' page, which is Adrian Meilleur's Air Camper. Unless I'm mistaken, this Piet was completed and flown up in Canada and is now owned by a lady pilot. Yes-? And looking at the photos I see where Adrian made some clever rudder cable guides out of nylon sheet and attached them to the fuselage framing in the form of gussets back there. Also some other nice details of his fuel system, although as William Wynne and others have mentioned, the down-lead from the overhead fuel tank should incorporate a flexible section and a breakaway fitting. He's got a nice Steve Eldredge float-style fuel gauge and he also incorporated non-adjustable rigid cabane struts (although he used "swing set" ends on them). -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436538#436538 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 03, 2015
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
HI Scott, Yes Nancy's that is the same place; lots of nice plane pictures on the wall s and a nice airport for a short trip. Jim B. =C2- =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 03, 2015
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
Hi Oscar; the altitude might make it a little cool as we have had some real ly cool=C2-days here lately. Another project; make a canopy cover for you while flying in the winter. Cheers and Happy New Year Jim B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 03, 2015
Subject: One of Our Piet Family Passes On
From: John Woods <johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au>
Friends, It is with a heavy heart that I convey the sad news of the passing of our Australian Piet builder and pilot, Graham Hewitt, aged 86. Graham passed away just before Christmas after suffering a stroke. His funeral was today. Attached is a news article link from his home town in New Zealand. At 86, he was still performing aerobatics, wow! (Not in the Air Camper!) http://i.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/64624650/Pilot-inspired-by-famous-pioneer JohnW Perth, Australia ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Max Hegler <maxhegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: One of Our Piet Family Passes On
Date: Jan 02, 2015
I don't know who said it first but an old saying comes to mind... "A life w ell lived" RIP Graham. Date: Sat=2C 3 Jan 2015 10:49:58 +0800 Subject: Pietenpol-List: One of Our Piet Family Passes On From: johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au Friends=2C It is with a heavy heart that I convey the sad news of the passing of our A ustralian Piet builder and pilot=2C Graham Hewitt=2C aged 86. Graham passed away just before Christmas after suffering a stroke.His funer al was today. Attached is a news article link from his home town in New Zealand. At 86=2C he was still performing aerobatics=2C wow! (Not in the Air Camper! ) http://i.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/64624650/Pilot-inspired-by-famous-p ioneer JohnWPerth=2C Australia=0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Subject: Re: One of Our Piet Family Passes On
Date: Jan 03, 2015
That is sad news indeed. Graham and I corresponded several times over the y ears. Just last night I re-watched the youtube video of his maiden flight i n his Pietenpol. He was active and "with it" right up to the end. =97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97 =97=97=97=97 Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem On Jan 2, 2015, at 9:52 PM, "John Woods" > wrote: Friends, It is with a heavy heart that I convey the sad news of the passing of our A ustralian Piet builder and pilot, Graham Hewitt, aged 86. Graham passed away just before Christmas after suffering a stroke. His funeral was today. Attached is a news article link from his home town in New Zealand. At 86, he was still performing aerobatics, wow! (Not in the Air Camper!) http://i.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/64624650/Pilot-inspired-by-famous-p ioneer JohnW Perth, Australia rsbooks.com> m> > ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
Date: Jan 02, 2015
And Colusa is only about 25 miles further! That's about a 4 hour, three stop trip in Scout! When the weather warms up. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 2, 2015, at 1:27 PM, taildrags wrote: > > > Hmmm... Willows is only 220 miles from Medford. If it weren't for that pesky Siskiyou Summit between the two points ;o) > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436534#436534 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR PIETER"S
Date: Jan 02, 2015
That's the same place. All the old photos are there, but they don't take pictures anymore. The food and the pies are still great. Especially all the breakfasts and the Firehouse Burger. Ray Sent from my iPad > On Jan 2, 2015, at 1:34 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > Jim, > > We stopped and ate at Nancy's back in 1994. If I recall correctly they would take pics of the planes and pilots who visited and put them on the Cafe walls. Is this the same place? I had forgotten all about it until I read your post. > > Oscar, > > We will get you to cross that small mountain range this year. I predict it will happen around the first weekend in June. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436536#436536 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: One of Our Piet Family Passes On
Date: Jan 02, 2015
Yes, I saw that video, very impressive. Would that we could all live such a w onderful and active life. My he rest in peace. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 2, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey w rote: > > That is sad news indeed. Graham and I corresponded several times over the y ears. Just last night I re-watched the youtube video of his maiden flight in his Pietenpol. He was active and "with it" right up to the end. > > =94=94=94=94=94=94=94=94 =94=94=94=94=94=94=94=94=94 =94=94=94=94=94=94=94=94 =94=94=94=94 > Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO > Professor of Ophthalmology > Emory University School of Medicine > Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem > > On Jan 2, 2015, at 9:52 PM, "John Woods" wrote: > >> Friends, >> >> It is with a heavy heart that I convey the sad news of the passing of our Australian Piet builder and pilot, Graham Hewitt, aged 86. >> >> Graham passed away just before Christmas after suffering a stroke. >> His funeral was today. >> >> Attached is a news article link from his home town in New Zealand. >> >> At 86, he was still performing aerobatics, wow! (Not in the Air Camper!) >> >> http://i.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/64624650/Pilot-inspired-by-famous -pioneer >> >> JohnW >> Perth, Australia >> >> >> ectric.com >> ">www.buildersbooks.com >> builthelp.com >> lotstore.com >> m >> .matronics.com/contribution >> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ics.com >> > > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments). > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: West Coast Piet Project for Sale :(
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 02, 2015
Thanks Gary. Hope things turn out better if n TN too!! And for the record, I would never build the whole project in the living room... Just kidding!But wing ribs and rudders.... Yep! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436555#436555 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New (Free) Aviation App
From: "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 03, 2015
"Airport Courtesy Cars" is a new Google Play/Apple iPhone app that lists over 1100 airports nationwide that have crew/courtesy cars. Make sure you search for it in the phone store, as searching from a tablet won't work. You can load it on an iPad by changing the search function in the app store from iPad apps to iPhone apps.You can dial the listing directly from the app to see if a car is available. If you have a listing that I missed, or a correction, you can email me via the app, or to airportcars101(at)gmail.com. Thanks for looking. Glenn -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Flying 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer Medevac Helicopter Driver Tucson, Arizona Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App www.RVairspace.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436577#436577 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/appcoverpage_956.png ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2015
Subject: Goggles with Prescription Inserts
From: John Woods <johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au>
Fellow Pieters, If any one is looking for prescription goggles, then the following site has a huge rang at very reasonable prices. http://www.safetyglassesusa.com/safety-goggles-with-rx-inserts.html JohnW Perth Australia ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 04, 2015
Subject: Sheet metal from Aviation department
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Today, I was struggling trying to make a somewhat complex shape from aircraft sheet aluminum and had screwed up a sheet, when my local homebuilt mentor suggested that I go to the Aviation sheet metal department at Lowes and buy some aluminum flashing. It is 0.0084 gauge and I bought a 10" by 10' roll (about $9) and a 14" by 10' roll (about $13). It will cut with heavy scissors or I used a knife to score it and bent it til it would break clean on the score line (I can't cut a straight line.) It shaped easily and firmed up with a little shaping and I am quite happy with it as a lightweight cover on the rear belly of my Piet. At that price, I used it first for the template and then practiced once and then made a good one. I still have 6' of each left. It is not structural and would dent if someone leaned on it. But since I put it on the belly, if someone is leaning on it, I have bigger problems. -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sheet metal from Aviation department
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 05, 2015
Could we see a couple of pictures of your work and the belly inspection cove r? Very clever, inexpensive and light weight solution Steve. Those mentors are so worth having around! Scott Knowlton Burlington On Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2015, at 10:50 PM, "Steven Dortch" w rote: > > Today, I was struggling trying to make a somewhat complex shape from aircr aft sheet aluminum and had screwed up a sheet, when my local homebuilt mento r suggested that I go to the Aviation sheet metal department at Lowes and bu y some aluminum flashing. > > It is > 0.0084 gauge and I bought a 10" by 10' roll (about $9) and a 14" by 10' r oll (about $13). > > It will cut with heavy scissors or I used a knife to score it and bent it t il it would break clean on the score line (I can't cut a straight line.) It s haped easily and firmed up with a little shaping and I am quite happy with i t as a lightweight cover on the rear belly of my Piet. At that price, I used it first for the template and then practiced once and then made a good one. I still have 6' of each left. > > It is not structural and would dent if someone leaned on it. But since I p ut it on the belly, if someone is leaning on it, I have bigger problems. > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2015
Subject: Re: Sheet metal from Aviation department
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Scott, Hope these help. tonight I will clean them with acetone and then prime them with self etching primer. They will be painted white to match the plane. Blue Skies, Steve D On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Scott Knowlton wrote: > Could we see a couple of pictures of your work and the belly inspection > cover? Very clever, inexpensive and light weight solution Steve. Those > mentors are so worth having around! > > Scott Knowlton > Burlington On > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2015, at 10:50 PM, "Steven Dortch" > wrote: > > Today, I was struggling trying to make a somewhat complex shape from > aircraft sheet aluminum and had screwed up a sheet, when my local homebuilt > mentor suggested that I go to the Aviation sheet metal department at Lowes > and buy some aluminum flashing. > > It is > 0.0084 gauge and I bought a 10" by 10' roll (about $9) and a 14" by 10' > roll (about $13). > > It will cut with heavy scissors or I used a knife to score it and bent it > til it would break clean on the score line (I can't cut a straight line.) > It shaped easily and firmed up with a little shaping and I am quite happy > with it as a lightweight cover on the rear belly of my Piet. At that price, > I used it first for the template and then practiced once and then made a > good one. I still have 6' of each left. > > It is not structural and would dent if someone leaned on it. But since I > put it on the belly, if someone is leaning on it, I have bigger problems. > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 06, 2015
Subject: Re: Sheet metal from Aviation department
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
I bought a roll of that stuff to make wing gap (between wings and center section) seals. Currently have aging yellow duct tape. My wings are clipped J-3 wings and the Piper kit front pieces would cover my center section storage door. I didn't want to drill into the ribs, anyway. I have some ideas about how to attach. I really want to wrap around a single piece. Maybe a hinged door to access a bolt to connect the 2 ends and tighten. Also some angled pieces for stiffening riveted in? Tailwinds!, M. "Zeke" Zechini NX431LA GN-1 On Jan 5, 2015 1:19 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote: > Scott, Hope these help. tonight I will clean them with acetone and then > prime them with self etching primer. They will be painted white to match > the plane. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Scott Knowlton > wrote: > >> Could we see a couple of pictures of your work and the belly inspection >> cover? Very clever, inexpensive and light weight solution Steve. Those >> mentors are so worth having around! >> >> Scott Knowlton >> Burlington On >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 4, 2015, at 10:50 PM, "Steven Dortch" >> wrote: >> >> Today, I was struggling trying to make a somewhat complex shape from >> aircraft sheet aluminum and had screwed up a sheet, when my local homebuilt >> mentor suggested that I go to the Aviation sheet metal department at Lowes >> and buy some aluminum flashing. >> >> It is >> 0.0084 gauge and I bought a 10" by 10' roll (about $9) and a 14" by 10' >> roll (about $13). >> >> It will cut with heavy scissors or I used a knife to score it and bent it >> til it would break clean on the score line (I can't cut a straight line.) >> It shaped easily and firmed up with a little shaping and I am quite happy >> with it as a lightweight cover on the rear belly of my Piet. At that price, >> I used it first for the template and then practiced once and then made a >> good one. I still have 6' of each left. >> >> It is not structural and would dent if someone leaned on it. But since I >> put it on the belly, if someone is leaning on it, I have bigger problems. >> >> -- >> Blue Skies, >> Steve D >> >> * >> >> 3D============================================ >> 3D============================================ >> 3D============================================ >> 3D============================================ >> >> * >> >> > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sheet metal from Aviation department
From: woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2015
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Date: Jan 06, 2015
Subject: GAAA two steps forward one step back
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Today I raced home to take advantage of the good weather. I primed and painted my belly panel. Good to go. Painted previously inspection covers. two Red ones look great. 5 white ones look pretty good. 7 Yellow ones look awful with long lines, I will have to strip and repaint. I did not even start the black two. I rushed and did not thin the yellow paint, I did not have the right kind of sponge rollers so they looked very orange peeled, BAD, So I used a small brush, and ended up having rough lines. Then to top it all off, my Two year old grandson walked up and touched one and when I said "No don't touch" he wiped it on his nice new Christmas coat. So to top it all off I got a tail chewing by my wife as she stripped him and ran to rinse the latex out. Somedays your the windshield, somedays your the bug. -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Painting metal brackets
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2015
After I make metal brackets, how should I prep and paint them? Can I use Prep-all to clean it, then self-etching primer followed by gloss protective enamel and/or polyurethane? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436723#436723 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GAAA two steps forward one step back
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2015
Some days you're the part - some days you're the brush........ -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436727#436727 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Painting metal brackets
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jan 07, 2015
Powder coat. The naysayers will say you can't see cracks. If applied correctly and not too thick I don't believe that will be a problem. It's great to work with and you can do it indoors. The Eastwood sprayer and paint is much better than the Harbor Freight stuff. I bought an oven for $50 and also made a 4 foot hight oven out of 8 or 10 inch duct for about $15... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Jan 6, 2015, at 8:15 PM, "Pocono John" wrote: > > > After I make metal brackets, how should I prep and paint them? Can I use Prep-all to clean it, then self-etching primer followed by gloss protective enamel and/or polyurethane? > > -------- > John > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436723#436723 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 07, 2015
From: "THOMAS.233327" <thomas.233327(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Painting metal brackets
A few years ago I wanted to do some powder coating using Eastwood equipment. I asked the folks around work to let me know if they saw any stoves on the curb with "FREE" signs on them. Within a week I had my oven- for FREE! Tom Hale-lurker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 2:02:23 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Painting metal brackets Powder coat. The naysayers will say you can't see cracks. If applied correctly and not too thick I don't believe that will be a problem. It's great to work with and you can do it indoors. The Eastwood sprayer and paint is much better than the Harbor Freight stuff. I bought an oven for $50 and also made a 4 foot hight oven out of 8 or 10 inch duct for about $15... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Jan 6, 2015, at 8:15 PM, "Pocono John" wrote: > > > After I make metal brackets, how should I prep and paint them? Can I use Prep-all to clean it, then self-etching primer followed by gloss protective enamel and/or polyurethane? > > -------- > John > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436723#436723 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Painting metal brackets
From: "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Date: Jan 07, 2015
I agree with jack on powder coat. Super easy. Super tough. I bought the largest toaster oven I could find. Used for cylinders, ring gear, fittings etc. Eastwood sprayer kit. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436754#436754 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Painting metal brackets
Date: Jan 07, 2015
This oven works great for struts control tubes etc... Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bdewenter Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting metal brackets I agree with jack on powder coat. Super easy. Super tough. I bought the largest toaster oven I could find. Used for cylinders, ring gear, fittings etc. Eastwood sprayer kit. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436754#436754 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JERRY" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET>
Subject: Re: Painting metal brackets
Date: Jan 07, 2015
Looks like a still to me. Lol. I'm coming over I think you might have some strong stuff brewing. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:07 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting metal brackets This oven works great for struts control tubes etc... Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bdewenter Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting metal brackets --> I agree with jack on powder coat. Super easy. Super tough. I bought the largest toaster oven I could find. Used for cylinders, ring gear, fittings etc. Eastwood sprayer kit. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436754#436754 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Painting metal brackets
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jan 07, 2015
Dang Jerry you pegged it! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Jan 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, "JERRY" wrote: > > > Looks like a still to me. Lol. I'm coming over I think you might have some > strong stuff brewing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:07 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting metal brackets > > This oven works great for struts control tubes etc... > > > Jack Textor > West Des Moines, IA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bdewenter > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:11 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting metal brackets > > --> > > I agree with jack on powder coat. Super easy. Super tough. I bought the > largest toaster oven I could find. Used for cylinders, ring gear, fittings > etc. Eastwood sprayer kit. > > -------- > Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter > Dayton OH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436754#436754 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sheet metal from Aviation department
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 07, 2015
Steve; Not to tell a ground-pounder like yourself what to do (I hold no rank whatsoever), but if you ever so slightly break the edges of the metal panels, they will fit tighter to the fabric around the edges. I think the EAA chapter 35 has sheet metal brakes in the chapter hangar, but if you're careful and patient you can also do it with hand-held seaming pliers by marking a break line and then working your way down the panel along the line till you have a smooth, even break. I also recommend that you fasten the leading edge of the access panel lest the high Mach speeds pull it away from the airplane. Or maybe if you add a slight break to the leading edge of the panel, it will hug the fabric and prevent the slipstream from getting under the metal and flapping it. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436771#436771 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Painting metal brackets
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Jan 08, 2015
This is seriously cool! I had no idea you could do this at home. I need to see what we have here in Aussie! Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Fuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436779#436779 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2015
Subject: Re: Sheet metal from Aviation department
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Roger, Oscar, I did put breaks on the port and starboard sides. Lew laughed at me, I bent them out and not in, but he said it made not big differece and to keep building.. I will look at bending it on the leading and training edges as well. It adds no weight (weight is the enemy) and will strengthen the structure significantly. Also the photo does not show all the screws put in the panel, just the corners. There are 6 screws on the leading side and I may add two more. (but screws add weight and disturb aerodynamics.) Blue skies, Steve D Trying to keep from On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:03 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Steve; > > Not to tell a ground-pounder like yourself what to do (I hold no rank > whatsoever), but if you ever so slightly break the edges of the metal > panels, they will fit tighter to the fabric around the edges. I think the > EAA chapter 35 has sheet metal brakes in the chapter hangar, but if you're > careful and patient you can also do it with hand-held seaming pliers by > marking a break line and then working your way down the panel along the > line till you have a smooth, even break. I also recommend that you fasten > the leading edge of the access panel lest the high Mach speeds pull it away > from the airplane. Or maybe if you add a slight break to the leading edge > of the panel, it will hug the fabric and prevent the slipstream from > getting under the metal and flapping it. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436771#436771 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2015
From: "THOMAS.233327" <thomas.233327(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Painting metal brackets
Great idea for an oven. I'll be using it! Thank you! Tom Hale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 2:06:49 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting metal brackets This oven works great for struts control tubes etc... Jack Textor West Des Moines, IA -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bdewenter Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting metal brackets I agree with jack on powder coat. Super easy. Super tough. I bought the largest toaster oven I could find. Used for cylinders, ring gear, fittings etc. Eastwood sprayer kit. -------- Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter Dayton OH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436754#436754 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2015
Subject: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
I asked this before and received a lot of great answers. How have y'all attached your front shoulder harnesses? >From the ideas offered, I selected Oscar Z's attachment on Scout. However, I cannot find the photo he sent me. The idea is to attach the shoulder harnesses where the wires cross between the Pilot and the passenger. Oscar built a wood block that spread out the strain. My seatbelts have a metal attachment that is about 2.5 inches long and is right behind the passenger's head. I fear that it will be bumping the passenger in the back of the head. Any problems with this? I hate to be redundant and repetitive. -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2015
Subject: Re: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: "Andre B. Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 08, 2015
I built a thin walled steel arch to avoid spinal compression in a high G sto ppage. It connects to the aft cabane attach point and it is braced to a seco nd attach point with two turn buckles. I copied several in incorporated what I thought was the best of each. I am using individual shoulder harnesses w hich will attach to the arch. A couple 'o pics..... It's very light: Scott K. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 8, 2015, at 6:39 PM, "Steven Dortch" wr ote: > > I asked this before and received a lot of great answers. How have y'all at tached your front shoulder harnesses? > > =46rom the ideas offered, I selected Oscar Z's attachment on Scout. Howeve r, I cannot find the photo he sent me. > > The idea is to attach the shoulder harnesses where the wires cross between the Pilot and the passenger. Oscar built a wood block that spread out the s train. > > My seatbelts have a metal attachment that is about 2.5 inches long and is r ight behind the passenger's head. I fear that it will be bumping the passeng er in the back of the head. Any problems with this? > > I hate to be redundant and repetitive. > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2015
Subject: Re: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Ben, I like your solution, but I am doing a restoration and using your solution would take a big rebuild. I may go back and build it up your way after I get it flying. Thanks. Great looking plane by the way. Steve D On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Andre B. Charvet wrote: > There is a good picture of my solution on the Westcoastpiet site > Ben Charvet > > > Steven Dortch wrote: > I asked this before and received a lot of great answers. How have y'all > attached your front shoulder harnesses? > > From the ideas offered, I selected Oscar Z's attachment on Scout. However, > I cannot find the photo he sent me. > > The idea is to attach the shoulder harnesses where the wires cross between > the Pilot and the passenger. Oscar built a wood block that spread out the > strain. > > My seatbelts have a metal attachment that is about 2.5 inches long and is > right behind the passenger's head. I fear that it will be bumping the > passenger in the back of the head. Any problems with this? > > I hate to be redundant and repetitive. > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > * > > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2015
Subject: Re: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Steve, I plagiarized shamelessly from Oscar's setup for the front shoulder harness. Here are two pictures of how I did mine. Cheers, Ken On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: > Ben, I like your solution, but I am doing a restoration and using your > solution would take a big rebuild. > > I may go back and build it up your way after I get it flying. > > Thanks. Great looking plane by the way. > > Steve D > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Andre B. Charvet > wrote: > >> There is a good picture of my solution on the Westcoastpiet site >> Ben Charvet >> >> >> Steven Dortch wrote: >> I asked this before and received a lot of great answers. How have y'all >> attached your front shoulder harnesses? >> >> From the ideas offered, I selected Oscar Z's attachment on Scout. >> However, I cannot find the photo he sent me. >> >> The idea is to attach the shoulder harnesses where the wires cross >> between the Pilot and the passenger. Oscar built a wood block that spread >> out the strain. >> >> My seatbelts have a metal attachment that is about 2.5 inches long and is >> right behind the passenger's head. I fear that it will be bumping the >> passenger in the back of the head. Any problems with this? >> >> I hate to be redundant and repetitive. >> >> -- >> Blue Skies, >> Steve D >> >> * >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >> >> * >> >> > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2015
Subject: Re: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Ken, That is the plagiarism I was looking for!. At some later date I may build up some structure like Ben and Scott made. Their structure looks sturdy and is at the perfect level. But right now I want to get my plane flying and I think this will provide sufficient strength for the shoulder harness. Many thanks, Now I am going to save these photos. Blue Skies, Steve D On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > Steve, I plagiarized shamelessly from Oscar's setup for the front shoulder > harness. Here are two pictures of how I did mine. Cheers, Ken > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Steven Dortch > wrote: > >> Ben, I like your solution, but I am doing a restoration and using your >> solution would take a big rebuild. >> >> I may go back and build it up your way after I get it flying. >> >> Thanks. Great looking plane by the way. >> >> Steve D >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Andre B. Charvet >> wrote: >> >>> There is a good picture of my solution on the Westcoastpiet site >>> Ben Charvet >>> >>> >>> Steven Dortch wrote: >>> I asked this before and received a lot of great answers. How have y'all >>> attached your front shoulder harnesses? >>> >>> From the ideas offered, I selected Oscar Z's attachment on Scout. >>> However, I cannot find the photo he sent me. >>> >>> The idea is to attach the shoulder harnesses where the wires cross >>> between the Pilot and the passenger. Oscar built a wood block that spread >>> out the strain. >>> >>> My seatbelts have a metal attachment that is about 2.5 inches long and >>> is right behind the passenger's head. I fear that it will be bumping the >>> passenger in the back of the head. Any problems with this? >>> >>> I hate to be redundant and repetitive. >>> >>> -- >>> Blue Skies, >>> Steve D >>> >>> * >>> >>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> >>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >>> >>> * >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Blue Skies, >> Steve D >> >> * >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >> >> * >> >> > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2015
Subject: Re: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Steve, if Oscar is to be believed (I'll let you ponder that "if"), the primary purpose of the shoulder harness puck is to serve as the sight gauge when diving out of the sun onto the unsuspecting hun. Any sturdiness for keeping an observer from falling out during the subsequent dog fight is purely ancillary. Ken On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: > Ken, That is the plagiarism I was looking for!. At some later date I may > build up some structure like Ben and Scott made. Their structure looks > sturdy and is at the perfect level. > > But right now I want to get my plane flying and I think this will provide > sufficient strength for the shoulder harness. > > Many thanks, > > Now I am going to save these photos. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Ken Bickers wrote: > >> Steve, I plagiarized shamelessly from Oscar's setup for the front >> shoulder harness. Here are two pictures of how I did mine. Cheers, Ken >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Steven Dortch >> wrote: >> >>> Ben, I like your solution, but I am doing a restoration and using your >>> solution would take a big rebuild. >>> >>> I may go back and build it up your way after I get it flying. >>> >>> Thanks. Great looking plane by the way. >>> >>> Steve D >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Andre B. Charvet >>> wrote: >>> >>>> There is a good picture of my solution on the Westcoastpiet site >>>> Ben Charvet >>>> >>>> >>>> Steven Dortch wrote: >>>> I asked this before and received a lot of great answers. How have y'all >>>> attached your front shoulder harnesses? >>>> >>>> From the ideas offered, I selected Oscar Z's attachment on Scout. >>>> However, I cannot find the photo he sent me. >>>> >>>> The idea is to attach the shoulder harnesses where the wires cross >>>> between the Pilot and the passenger. Oscar built a wood block that spread >>>> out the strain. >>>> >>>> My seatbelts have a metal attachment that is about 2.5 inches long and >>>> is right behind the passenger's head. I fear that it will be bumping the >>>> passenger in the back of the head. Any problems with this? >>>> >>>> I hate to be redundant and repetitive. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Blue Skies, >>>> Steve D >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> >>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >>>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Blue Skies, >>> Steve D >>> >>> * >>> >>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> >>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >>> >>> * >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sheet metal from Aviation department
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 08, 2015
Steve; The breaks I'm talking about are not 'hard' bends at all... just slight bends. They do stiffen the edges a bit, but they also keep the edges straighter and they hold the edge of the metal against the fabric. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436809#436809 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 08, 2015
Steve; Don't build yours the way Ken did... his is far, far too heavy! He has an extra pair of bolts there that will most likely nudge your gross weight over design ;o) Mine just uses the U-bolt and is even lighter due to the notch that I cut in it. Anyway, I put the pictures and narrative on a webpage back when I did it, here: http://flysquirrel.net/piets/harness.html If you notice in one of the lower photos where the harness is clipped onto the attach point, it sits well behind the passenger's head. I've flown front cockpit in Scout quite a bit myself, and never noticed it was there. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436810#436810 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 08, 2015
By the way, and this is not related to the shoulder harness and I only offer it because the list has been a bit slow lately, observant eyes may notice a few things in the last photo on my webpage showing the harness attach point. That photo was taken in the far corner of the big hangar at Zapata County, Texas municipal airport right after the airplane went over on its back. The streaks of stuff on the underside of the flop panel are blood from Charlie Avaritt's forehead, which got cut open by the ignition key in the mag switch on the instrument panel in the sudden stop. When the airplane lay on its back and Charlie worked to get free of the harness, blood dripped freely onto the flop. I wasn't there, but I can imagine what a mess Charlie looked like as he stood by the airplane dusting himself off and wondering what to do next as he mopped his bloody forehead. Also visible in the photo is the broken leading edge of the vertical stabilizer, which broke when the tip of the stabilizer hit the ground as the airplane came to rest inverted. Although seeing my broken airplane sitting in that hangar was one of the least pleasant moments of my life, I can unhesitatingly say that the repairs and rebuilding effort that followed the nose-over were some of the most educational and interesting times that I've ever had in aviation and I may have learned as much about the airplane in those two years than either of the two men who built it (Joe Czaplicki and Corky Corbett) know about it. Priceless information, learned the hard way, but that's how we learn best and it really drew me closer to my airplane. Those of you who have had to repair damage or rebuild after a loss can relate, I'm sure. Mine was nothing like the "Pietenpile" after that windstorm at Sun n Fun a few years ago, but even a scraped wingtip or a bent gear leg can bring that awful feeling in the pit of your stomach as you see the slack brace wires, broken welds, tattered fabric, or splintered wood. The trick is to get up, dust off, and get busy rebuilding. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436811#436811 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Any Piet projects in Japan?
Date: Jan 09, 2015
I'll be in the Tokyo area on business in a couple weeks...any chance there are any Pietenpeople available for a visit while I'm in the area? Jim in Pryor Sent from my smartphone. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2015
Subject: Re: Any Piet projects in Japan?
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Jim, will you have room in your luggage for some Japaneese tools? On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:42 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> > > I'll be in the Tokyo area on business in a couple weeks...any chance there > are any Pietenpeople available for a visit while I'm in the area? > > Jim in Pryor > > Sent from my smartphone. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2015
So in the above cable/U-bolt design with a 10g forward crash load, how much will the cables stretch alone with the plywood compression failure? Face impact with instrument panel and top of cowling edge looks imminent. There is also the possibility of the cable pulling through the oval-sleeve swage fitting from the initial shock loads. 1/8" cable with one oval-sleeve swage fitting = 2300 lbs to fail. That also depends if the swage tool used was the correct type giving full compression of 3 swages rings. Just my 2 worth, WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436817#436817 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Any Piet projects in Japan?
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 09, 2015
Hey Jim, I'm just east of Tokyo. About 9000 miles. Drop by anytime. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436818#436818 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2015
In the global sense the pilot/passenger restraint attachments are a challenge for any wood airplane design. The final attach point will invariably end up being wood which we all know will fail under a high G impact. So really the shoulder harness and seat belts are both "better than nothing" solutions. The plans, while a marvel of completeness, lack any guidance for hard points to attach passenger restraint belts leaving the builder to decide how much engineering, building and weight to add to their airplane. My philosophy when approaching this problem was to attempt to do my best given the wooden structure. As a professional pilot I have spent years making my best effort to ensure the comfort and safety of my passengers. In the Piet I will endeavour to do the same. I never want to be in that situation of - "if only I had incorporated shoulder harnesses, this wouldn't have happened..." I suspect my system will only be effective up to 3 or 4 Gs before wood failure or bracket failure or both. At the same time the likelihood of a sudden stop or crash above this G-load being survivable regardless of restraint is rather low. My hope is to keep both myself and my passenger from having a head injury caused by striking the instrument panel after a sudden stop like a gear collapse, runway excursion into a ditch or low(er) speed impact into a fence post or tree. We can't build our planes around the idea that we are going to crash them but we should be managing our risk to the best of our ability and the structure of our airframe. Scott K Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2015, at 7:47 AM, "womenfly2" wrote: > > > So in the above cable/U-bolt design with a 10g forward crash load, how much will the cables stretch alone with the plywood compression failure? Face impact with instrument panel and top of cowling edge looks imminent. > > There is also the possibility of the cable pulling through the oval-sleeve swage fitting from the initial shock loads. 1/8" cable with one oval-sleeve swage fitting = 2300 lbs to fail. That also depends if the swage tool used was the correct type giving full compression of 3 swages rings. > > Just my 2 worth, > WF2 > > -------- > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436817#436817 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: front harness attach point
Date: Jan 09, 2015
Happy new year all! I bought a climbing, lock carabineer, slipped some plastic tubing over the crossed cabane wires and snap the harness there whenever I fly a passenger. That's pretty strong cable, so as along as the whole wing doesn't displace forward, I'm hoping it'll be enough. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2015
I agree Scott. Shoulder harness attachment for the front cockpit is a real challenge. Rear cockpit not to bad. For the front I would look at using the wing attachment fittings as a hard point, upper or lower. Trade-off for both on injury but look at the best of the two evils. The idea is to have the minimum amount of attachment points or parts in the system that can elongate or "stretch" on impact to keep you from moving forward. Hence the shoulder harness fasten directly to only one hard point and not to many points trying to transfer the load, for they all will move some amount. Just my 2 worth, WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436820#436820 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Any Piet projects in Japan?
From: "dfwplt" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2015
Charles, I likely will have some room for some tools. JM Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436822#436822 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Subject: Japan?
Date: Jan 09, 2015
Hey Jim, I'm just east of Tokyo. About 9000 miles. Drop by anytime. BC Man, I'm glad I wasn't drinking coffee! That was hilarious Bill! Mark Stanley is about the only guy I can think of building in Japan. He's been on the list before and he's listed in the Westcoast Piet web site but I can't seem to find his e-mail address. Mark is from Australia but married a lady from Japan and I believe, last I heard from Mark, that his wife was an interpreter. I did a Google searc h on Mark Stanley Piet Japan but even in the Matronics archives I couldn't fi nd Mark's e-mail address. I'll bet Ryan Mueller will come up with it..... he's a genius with such things. Mike C. (and oh, Jim......I'm about 8,700 miles east of Tokyo) Hi Pieters, Attached is a shot taken of Piet # 1 in Japan. The owner/builder (T.Mita) is in the front seat and I am in the rear. We were just having a session of making airplane noises so I thought I woul d send the group a shot. It is powered by an A-65, and is the short fuz version. My Piet (#2) is still coming along although progress is slow. I have comple ted 30 full ribs and only need the 2 rear rib sections and the single forwa rd rib for the center section. The ribs on the cabane struts in the photo of Piet #1, are from my collecti on. I plan to look around for some timber for the spars, if I can't find that, then I will start on the fin/rudder etc. Mark Stanley in hot'n'humid Japan Attachment: Mita & Mark in Mita-san's Pietenpol Aircamper June 2005, JMGC 1 .JPG<http://copilotco.com/mail-archives/matronics.2005/jpgNcbJAVQQkE.jpg> Description: JPEG image This isn't Mark's Piet but a friend of his who owns this Piet. [cid:image001.png(at)01D02BFE.42B26720] ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2015
Subject: Re: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Scott, I found really good ATV seatbelt/shoulder harnesses that are increadibly strong and very affordable, Pretty color also. Then I worried about the strength and thickness of my bolts for my seatbelt attachments. Then my mentor pointed out that I was attaching these increadibly strong items to wood that was going to be the weak point. We did work out some ways to spread out the impact across more wood, but the wood will give first. Blue Skies, Steve D On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 7:09 AM, Scott Knowlton wrote: > flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> > > In the global sense the pilot/passenger restraint attachments are a > challenge for any wood airplane design. The final attach point will > invariably end up being wood which we all know will fail under a high G > impact. So really the shoulder harness and seat belts are both "better > than nothing" solutions. The plans, while a marvel of completeness, lack > any guidance for hard points to attach passenger restraint belts leaving > the builder to decide how much engineering, building and weight to add to > their airplane. > My philosophy when approaching this problem was to attempt to do my best > given the wooden structure. As a professional pilot I have spent years > making my best effort to ensure the comfort and safety of my passengers. > In the Piet I will endeavour to do the same. I never want to be in that > situation of - "if only I had incorporated shoulder harnesses, this > wouldn't have happened..." I suspect my system will only be effective up > to 3 or 4 Gs before wood failure or bracket failure or both. At the same > time the likelihood of a sudden stop or crash above this G-load being > survivable regardless of restraint is rather low. My hope is to keep bot h > myself and my passenger from having a head injury caused by striking the > instrument panel after a sudden stop like a gear collapse, runway excursi on > into a ditch or low(er) speed impact into a fence post or tree. > We can't build our planes around the idea that we are going to crash them > but we should be managing our risk to the best of our ability and the > structure of our airframe. > > Scott K > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 9, 2015, at 7:47 AM, "womenfly2" wrote: > > > Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> > > > > So in the above cable/U-bolt design with a 10g forward crash load, how > much will the cables stretch alone with the plywood compression failure? > Face impact with instrument panel and top of cowling edge looks imminent. > > > > There is also the possibility of the cable pulling through the > oval-sleeve swage fitting from the initial shock loads. 1/8" cable with o ne > oval-sleeve swage fitting = 2300 lbs to fail. That also depends if the > swage tool used was the correct type giving full compression of 3 swages > rings. > > > > Just my 2=C2=A2 worth, > > WF2 > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436817#436817 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Front shoulder harness attachments.
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2015
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Date: Jan 09, 2015
From: "THOMAS.233327" <thomas.233327(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Sheet metal from Aviation department
Steve, and others. Get a piece of scrap wood about 4" long (cut off your broom handle?) and make a fine saw cut about 1/4"-5/16" deep in one end. Put the edge of the sheet metal into the saw cut, push a little and draw the new tool along the edge of the metal, making a slight bend along the edge. I did this on the Hummel Birds I built for all the lap joints and they all came out nice and tight. Cheap and easy also. Do be careful or you can easily get a nasty cut in your finger! Tom Hale-lurker, building a Sonex ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:55:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sheet metal from Aviation department Steve; The breaks I'm talking about are not 'hard' bends at all... just slight bends. They do stiffen the edges a bit, but they also keep the edges straighter and they hold the edge of the metal against the fabric. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436809#436809 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2015
Subject: Rudder return springs
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
OK, you rudder bar people might as well move on to another post. This one has to do with Rudder Pedals, which I am using. (Incidentally, I have been flying since 1943 and I have never even seen a plane with a rudder bar.) I bought two rudder return springs from Aircraft Spruce. What I want to know is: Does the spring start activating when the pedal is displaced aft of the neutral position (the other pedal has moved forward of the neutral position, of course) or does the spring become activated anytime the pedal is aft of the most forward position? If the first case is true, then what happens to the relaxed spring when the pedal moves forward of the neutral position? Uncle Tony just shows the two springs connected between the rudder pedal and the firewall -- nothing is said about when the spring becomes activated. I've been looking at coil springs in the Aircraft spring section of Lowes and they have a variety of springs from practically zero working weight to well over 8 pounds (they are heavy springs). What do I use and where and how do I apply them? Chuck ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: front harness attach point
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2015
I'm contemplating this at present Douwe, would you have a pic please? Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Fuslage now on its undercarriage! About to start wing spars...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436829#436829 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rudder return springs
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2015
Even folks with rudder bars should take notice as the front seat rudder pedals have the same issue. I believe the spring should be in tension ALL the time. Ok to reduce to nearly zero, but not quite... A spring not in tension has a much more likely chance of becoming disconnected inadvertently, and simply getting in the way becoming a snag hazard. The springs are there to control the pedals, not provide centering force or anything. By the way, a Standard J-1 has a rudder bar. I really like it. Didn't think I would the first time I sat in a Piet, but that changed even with only taxiing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436830#436830 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Emailing: Douwe flying Brodhead 2014
Date: Jan 10, 2015
Hey, There's not much to show. This is the only photo I can find that shows it at all. You can't see the clear tubing protecting the cables, but you can kind of see the climbing carbineer wrapped in tape. I agree with with the comments that most front "pit" should restraints are not going to help after a certain G force. I do hope it would help in a ground loop, upside down type situation which is the most common. I think going up to the upper wing attach points is probably the best. Just bolt a fitting to each one with a hole and hook your harness up into it. The force of the occupant would be taken by the four swages, each of them are double-swaged. At least one on each side would have to "give" for things to move forward. I hope I don't have to test it. My pilot shoulder harness also relys on cables/swages which anchor into the tail-post area. Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: front harness attach point
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 12, 2015
Here is the way I did mine. I copied the idea from someone's plane I saw in Brodhead back in 1996. I cannot remember who's plane it was. Mine are installed a little high up. I think an inch or two lower would be ideal. Just an 1/8 in. cable attached to the rear cabanes. I used avaition Eye bolts through the cabanes. Very easy to do. This is the best pic I can find at the moment but you get the idea. Yes I would do it the same way again. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436901#436901 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010468_205.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: front harness attach point
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 12, 2015
Wow, Scott- lots of interesting things to see on your airplane! First of all, I'm surprised that there are no photos of your plane on Westcoastpiet, unless I'm not looking in the right place. We've got to get on Chris Tracy to get him to upload some pictures! So it's obvious that you have the elevator control cables routed externally like Dick Navratil's airplane, but the 'walking beam' on your airplane is down on the bottom longerons where Dick's is pretty much at the midline of the tail. From the picture it appears that the upper elevator cable has to make a very sharp angle over the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer to get to the top of the elevator horn. Is that just the camera angle fooling my eyes? Next question is, of course, what the black kickstand-looking thing is at the lower port side of the fuselage. Some type of step for getting in and out of the cockpits? Then there is the vane-type airspeed indicator. Do you also have a conventional ASI? I don't see a pitot tube. Like I say, there are a lot of interesting things to see in that photo! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436939#436939 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: front harness attach point
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 13, 2015
It does seem as though you're not looking in the right place, Oscar. To find photos of Scott Liefeld's plane, you should try looking at the photos under the heading of "Scott Liefeld." http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Scott%20Liefeld/scott_liefeld.htm As for the routing of the upper elevator cable - take a look at the photos on Westcoast Piet, and you'll see that the cable doesn't make a sharp angle - in fact it doesn't make any kind of deflection... it actually passes through the horizontal stabilizer. Now that's ... unusual. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436945#436945 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: front harness attach point
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 13, 2015
Oscar and Bill, You have sharp eyes. Oscar, see what you are missing when you don't come see use at the Lake. Bill you are correct, the cables go through the horizontal. My forward elevator control horns are moved forward under the pilots seat and external like Qscar noticed. This is done to add more drag to an already draggy airplane. No, not really, It was done to have the old timey Jenny look and it also give me a VERY large baggage area behind the pilots seat. It is great for all the light stuff. I use to carry all of my camping gear back there but I have gained weight and now I carry the heavy stuff in the front pit like the rest of you. The kick stand looking thing is actually my brake to hold the plane still if the tower ask me to hold short. I just reach out and pull it, the bottom of it has a piece of very hard rubber on it. I rarely use it anymore. It is the only brake I have. I have found over the years that if I leave the air pressure low in my tires that the plane slows down nicely and stops easily. I can get it stopped on a hard surface runway at sea level in about 500'. At 4000' sea level on a hard surface I need about 700' to get stopped. The higher the density altitude, the my longer it takes to get stopped. Now, why wouldn't a guy like me just put some wheel brakes on it and call it a day in this modern world? Here is that answer cause I know it is bothering you. OK, I'll pause while you go back and look at my wheels for a minute and see if you figure it out before I tell you. Answer below. Yes you see an old Johnson type airspeed indicator on the jury strut and it is the only airspeed indicator I have. Fun fact here. That is the only part I did not touch during the rebuilding of the plane in 2000. Everything else got completely rebuilt but that. I wanted something left as it was when dad and I built the plane. We calibrated it out the car (1962 Pontiac station wagon) window, at various speeds on a calm day. It is surprisingly accurate, even today after 43 years. Have you figured out the why I don't have wheel brakes? Here is the straight (big clue here) scoop. The wheels are original (Hayes) airplane wheels from the 1920's. Back when tail skids were used. If you look it the spokes you will see they are straight laced. They do not cross. If a load were applied to the hub the wheels would just fall apart. They cannot endure a torsional load. So that's the simple reason. If you look closely again you will see three rows of spokes. A row in the center and a row on each side of center. This is for the cross loads put on them if you mess up a landing. Very useful at times. The wheels are very stout. Keep looking and you I'm sure you will spot some more things that make my snowflake different that all the rest. Oh, the last pic you see on the west coast site was in 1994 at Edwards AFB. 30 minutes after I took that pic the hangar had another 100 homebuilts in it. The guards were very nice to me that morning. You'll also notice the the plane was Maroon and Beige. Keven Purtie's plane has always reminded me of how mine use to look. I miss it (the color) sometimes. See you at Frazuer Lake. AKA, the Lake Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436947#436947 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gooseneck Die
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 13, 2015
Tom, Received the die yesterday - THANK YOU...!!! Will work great for deep part bends. Thanks, Thx, Thank you, danka....!!!! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436963#436963 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 15, 2015
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/14/15
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From: George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/14/15
Aww we gonna miss you! From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/14/15 The Unsubscribed" =C2- =C2- The cold fog thickened noticeably as the newcomer hurried to wards his =C2- =C2- destination. He pulled his heavy overcoat around his neck a little more =C2- =C2- tightly.=C2- This part =C2-of the city was not a place t o tarry.=C2- Thieves and =C2- =C2- whores were the only permanent residents here.=C2- Even th e cops rolled through =C2- =C2- these streets with a nervousness and an edge to heir normal macho banter. =C2- =C2- Trouble and misery closed around everyone who ventured into this pustule of =C2- =C2- urban blight like a leech on a warm vein. =C2- =C2- "Damn!", he hissed under his breath as he stepped on somethi ng soft that =C2- =C2- squealed and skittered off into the darkness and dankness of the mist.=C2- It =C2- =C2- can't be much farther he thought.=C2- It mustn't be much f arther.=C2- The sickly =C2- =C2- yellow flicker of light from a street lamp shone dimly throu gh the fog as he =C2- =C2- quickened his pace. =C2- =C2- There it was.=C2- The doorway seemed to be just blackness without definition. =C2- =C2- As he got closer, two winos eyed him suspiciously 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From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Hey all (or whomever is still out there.) Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and steady "exodus" of participants. I for one am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane. And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol "mouthpieces" around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following. Is Brodhead next??!!! Douwe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answer recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tablet . I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flying a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else. On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > Hey all (or whomever is still out there) > > > Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that > since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic > and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less i nterested in > submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great > group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite > thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing > of helping me finish my plane. > > > And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is i t > dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmout hpieces=9D > around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following. > > > Is Brodhead next??!!! > > > Douwe > > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Look at it as a GOOD sign! Everyone's busy building Pietenpols :-) -------- KLNC A65-8 N2308C AN Hardware Airframe 724TT W72CK-42 Sensenich Standard Factory GN-1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437083#437083 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Date: Jan 16, 2015
BPA is still here and thank you for your patience. Bad news and lame excuses: Been dealing with aging parents, quadriplegic nephews with no health care and a career change. Time really flies when life gets in the way. Good news and moving forward: Career change is good, relatives fairly stable and three issues are in the works, the first of which will mail next week. I look to be caught up and and back to normal by mid - February. Anyone who paid and is owed issues will get them, unlike in the past. Hopefully that will rekindle some interest and input. Other good things: I will be at SNF and will have a booth in the type club tent by the walkway to the antique/classic parking area. I am trying to get a Pietenpol forum on as well. I will get to visit the guys in the wood working area and hope to do an article on the volunteer work they do. An new website is in the works where we will have recent back issues available to members as a pdf file as well as a forum and a social network component. A server switch is also going to happen. I have heard from several people that the BPA email is not working properly. I will update the email there to this one for now: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com. One thing I will need from many of you is a good email address. When taking over from Doc and Dee last year I got good postal addresses but did not get a list of good email addresses. This will be necessary to get you on the web. On a sad note: I did not see it mentioned anywhere that Edward Herrmann passed away last week. Hopefully Ezra Stiles will make that outside loop with the help of the Big Man. Finally: This is the 40th Brodhead gathering this year. I am pitching this in the newsletter out this week about a "Brodhead Cup." It would be a small air race for Pietenpols. It would have several divisions: A-65, Model A, Corvair and an "Open" division that would cover all the of previous divisions and even include GN-1s. It will be a Figure 8 race with a race horse start (just kidding). Actually I was thinking of placing a person at the Monroe airport and we could do a timed run from Brodhead to Monroe and back. This would be for bragging rights and just plain fun. Let me know what you think about the race. -john- > On Jan 16, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > > Hey all (or whomever is still out there) > > Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane. > > And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following. > > Is Brodhead next??!!! > > Douwe > > <http://www.aeroelectric.com/> <http://www.buildersbooks.com/> <http://www.homebuilthelp.com/> <http://www.mypilotstore.com/> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Douwe, I was thinking the same thing. I thought maybe the Christmas and New Year's celebrations might have had something to do with the lack of activity, but I'm beginning to think people are just tired of the list. I certainly am not tired of it. I have gotten a lot of good information from the list and hope that it picks up a bit. Chuck On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg < douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> wrote: > Hey all (or whomever is still out there) > > > Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that > since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic > and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less i nterested in > submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great > group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite > thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing > of helping me finish my plane. > > > And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is i t > dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmout hpieces=9D > around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following. > > > Is Brodhead next??!!! > > > Douwe > > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 16, 2015
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Date: Jan 16, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Douwe, I think perhaps it is a changing of the guard. Some of the older guys have dropped off. Some drop off as they finish their planes and some just get quiet. As I am getting on the final streach I will be asking a lot more questions. And you know I always have an opinion. Blue Skies, Steve D On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote: > Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answer > recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tabl et. > I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flying > a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at > Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else . > On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" > wrote: > >> Hey all (or whomever is still out there) >> >> >> >> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that >> since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drasti c >> and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested in >> submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great >> group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite >> thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothin g >> of helping me finish my plane. >> >> >> >> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is >> it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol >> =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking >> following. >> >> >> >> Is Brodhead next??!!! >> >> >> >> Douwe >> >> * >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks. com> >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >> >> * >> >> * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference between a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 plans and was planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- which is not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where the GN1 airfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I thought the GN1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set of plans (minus one of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner who had lent the plans to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just finishing up the fuselage now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surfaces are all built and awaiting cover. I will probably put the airplane together uncovered for an AI inspection. Then I will tear it apart for the covering and then reassemble it for the FAA inspection. A friend of mine did that with a little biplane and when the FAA man who flew up from Charlotte in a C172 took off (after the inspection) to return to CLT my friend took off right behind him for his first flight. Hope you have good fortune on the building of the Piet. If I had a GN1 I wouldn't bother building a Piet unless I just wanted to build something. Keep us aware of the progress. Chuck On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote: > Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answer > recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tabl et. > I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flying > a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at > Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else . > On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" > wrote: > >> Hey all (or whomever is still out there) >> >> >> >> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that >> since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drasti c >> and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested in >> submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great >> group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite >> thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothin g >> of helping me finish my plane. >> >> >> >> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is >> it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol >> =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking >> following. >> >> >> >> Is Brodhead next??!!! >> >> >> >> Douwe >> >> * >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks. com> >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >> >> * >> >> * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Date: Jan 16, 2015
John, You are a trooper for taking all this on! We need bragging rights? Someone should have told me. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? BPA is still here and thank you for your patience. Bad news and lame excuses: Been dealing with aging parents, quadriplegic nephews with no health care and a career change. Time really flies when life gets in the way. Good news and moving forward: Career change is good, relatives fairly stable and three issues are in the works, the first of which will mail next week. I look to be caught up and and back to normal by mid - February. Anyone who paid and is owed issues will get them, unlike in the past. Hopefully that will rekindle some interest and input. Other good things: I will be at SNF and will have a booth in the type club tent by the walkway to the antique/classic parking area. I am trying to get a Pietenpol forum on as well. I will get to visit the guys in the wood working area and hope to do an article on the volunteer work they do. An new website is in the works where we will have recent back issues available to members as a pdf file as well as a forum and a social network component. A server switch is also going to happen. I have heard from several people that the BPA email is not working properly. I will update the email there to this one for now: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com. One thing I will need from many of you is a good email address. When taking over from Doc and Dee last year I got good postal addresses but did not get a list of good email addresses. This will be necessary to get you on the web. On a sad note: I did not see it mentioned anywhere that Edward Herrmann passed away last week. Hopefully Ezra Stiles will make that outside loop with the help of the Big Man. Finally: This is the 40th Brodhead gathering this year. I am pitching this in the newsletter out this week about a "Brodhead Cup." It would be a small air race for Pietenpols. It would have several divisions: A-65, Model A, Corvair and an "Open" division that would cover all the of previous divisions and even include GN-1s. It will be a Figure 8 race with a race horse start (just kidding). Actually I was thinking of placing a person at the Monroe airport and we could do a timed run from Brodhead to Monroe and back. This would be for bragging rights and just plain fun. Let me know what you think about the race. -john- On Jan 16, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: Hey all (or whomever is still out there) Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane. And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following. Is Brodhead next??!!! Douwe style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.buildersbooks.com style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.homebuilthelp.com style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.mypilotstore.com style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.mrrace.com style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Charles, I tell people that I have a PietenGrega. My plane was built between 1965 and 1973. It has a pure Pietenpol Fuselage with the Grega setup for Piper Cub landing Gear. The wing is the 3 piece Grega. So on the Cabanes the top bolt runs front to rear, a la Grega, on the bottom of the cabanes the bolt runs right to left, a la Pietenpol. What plans are you using? Blue Skies, Steve D. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Charles N. Campbell < charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote: > Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference betwee n > a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 plans and w as > planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- which > is not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where the GN1 > airfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I thought > the GN1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set of plans > (minus one of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner who had > lent the plans to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just finishi ng > up the fuselage now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surfaces are all > built and awaiting cover. I will probably put the airplane together > uncovered for an AI inspection. Then I will tear it apart for the coveri ng > and then reassemble it for the FAA inspection. A friend of mine did that > with a little biplane and when the FAA man who flew up from Charlotte in a > C172 took off (after the inspection) to return to CLT my friend took off > right behind him for his first flight. Hope you have good fortune on the > building of the Piet. If I had a GN1 I wouldn't bother building a Piet > unless I just wanted to build something. Keep us aware of the progress. > Chuck > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini > wrote: > >> Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answe r >> recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tab let. >> I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flyin g >> a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out a t >> Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something els e. >> On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" >> wrote: >> >>> Hey all (or whomever is still out there) >>> >>> >>> >>> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that >>> since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drast ic >>> and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested in >>> submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a grea t >>> group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite >>> thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothi ng >>> of helping me finish my plane. >>> >>> >>> >>> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is >>> it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol >>> =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact a n already shrinking >>> following. >>> >>> >>> >>> Is Brodhead next??!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> Douwe >>> >>> * >>> >>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks .com> >>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List < http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> >>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >>> >>> * >>> >>> * >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks. com> >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >> >> * >> >> > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== > > * > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JERRY" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET>
Subject: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Date: Jan 16, 2015
I look and read it all the time. Just don=99t post much unless I have something to add. Jerry Sky Classic From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles N. Campbell Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? Douwe, I was thinking the same thing. I thought maybe the Christmas and New Year's celebrations might have had something to do with the lack of activity, but I'm beginning to think people are just tired of the list. I certainly am not tired of it. I have gotten a lot of good information from the list and hope that it picks up a bit. Chuck On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg > wrote: Hey all (or whomever is still out there) Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane. And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following. Is Brodhead next??!!! Douwe _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> <http://www.buildersbooks.com> <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> <http://www.mypilotstore.com> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <mushface1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Like in everything aviation, some have =9Cbought the airport=9D in the last few years. Maybe many have reached the point where questions a ren=99t as necessary as before, hopefully. You never really know. I s till have a lot of questions as I go, so hopefully the list will last. On a brighter note, the Scrounge Dawg Aviation Pietenpol that EAA chapter 64 of metro St.Louis/Illinois built is flying and has 32 hrs flown off and we are working on the minor things, like making the tach work, small squaw ks the inspector found like cable standoffs, etc. We plan to have it at Bro dhead this year. Hoped to last year but couldn=99t quite get it all d one in time. Looking forward to it since I blew off a trip to Colorado with my better half to attend Brodhead. Dennis From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? Hey all (or whomever is still out there) Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that sinc e the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and s teady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interest ed in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a gr eat group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane. And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthp ieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following. Is Brodhead next??!!! Douwe --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Its time of year and weather for me. Its cold and flu season (I caught the superbug), weve had many WEEKS of IFR wx. Im gone for the holidays and Im very busy at the beginning of the semester. Waaa! Also, I just bought the attached and it's keeping me busy. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437101#437101 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/jeffpitts1_207.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/jeffpitts2_293.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Jeff, Is that the Aerial version? Looks like an earlier version Pitts, what HP? Blue Skies Steve D On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> > > It=99s time of year and weather for me. It=99s cold and flu s eason (I caught > the superbug), we=99ve had many WEEKS of IFR wx. I=99m gone f or the holidays > and I=99m very busy at the beginning of the semester. > > Waaa! > > > Also, I just bought the attached and it's keeping me busy. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437101#437101 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/jeffpitts1_207.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/jeffpitts2_293.jpg > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
Subject: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Date: Jan 16, 2015
I think there are a number of reasons list traffic is down. I=99ve been on this list since it started back in about 1997 (after Steve Eldridge got tired of hosting it on his BYU address). In those days, the internet was fairly new and there were not a lot of sources for information about Pietenpols. There was the BPA, which in those days was the Buckeye Pietenpol Association, ostensibly for Ohio based Piet aficionados, and there was the Matronics list. I belonged to both and got a lot of good information from both of them. I anxiously scanned my inbox every day to see what gems awaited me. I also made many new friends from the list, including Mike Cuy, John Hofmann, Bill Church, Rob Busch, Glenn Thomas, Matt Paxton and Gene Rambo. I=99ve made many more friends at Brodhead, such as Kevin Purtee, Dan Helsper, Jack Textor, Gary Boothe, the list just goes on and on. I had started my Pietenpol project in early 1996. I finally finished and flew it in October 2004, a little over 10 years ago. Since that time I=99ve flown it to Brodhead 5 times, and on to Oshkosh 3 times. I=99ve always enjoyed having it on display at Brodhead, watching folks take pictures of it and crawl under and over it to see how I did things. I doubt that I will fly it to Brodhead again. The route from my home in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia is fairly rugged until I cross the Ohio River into the Midwest, where the flying is easy. If I lose the engine over West Virginia, I might survive but the airplane would not. And even though avgas prices have come down some, it still costs me close to $1,000 in gas to make the round trip. But the main reason is that there are a lot of new, well built Pietenpols, such as Dan Helsper=99s and Douwe=99s and Matt Paxton=99s and Gene Rambo=99s (if he ever flies his there) around now that deserve their time in the limelight. As for the list, it has been a long time now since someone asked a question that has not been answered countless times in the archives. I know it=99s not as much fun to search the archives as it is to just ask the question and wait for the answer, but many of us =9Cold timers=9D get tired of answering the same questions over and over. Like Jerry Dotson, I read every post that comes through on this list =93 I just choose to let someone else answer. There is so much diversity in Pietenpols and Pietenpol construction that I=99m beginning to be more like William Wynne and just focus on the safety aspects. The Pietenpol is an inherently safe design, as long as it is properly built with good materials and rigged so as to operate in the proven CG range. I tend these days to not comment too much unless I see someone doing something that is just unsafe. But as for the BPA Newsetter, one thing that us =9COld Guard=9D types can do is write articles on areas of Pietenpol construction where we have some expertise. I will try to write a couple about parts of my Pietenpol that are somewhat unique and pass them on to John Hofmann to ease his burden somewhat. Remember that building an airplane is a remarkable experience. Airplane pilots represent less than 0.5% of the population. Pilots who start to build their own airplanes are only about 10% of the pilot population, and those that actually FINISH building a plane are probably less than half of that, so only about 0.025% of the population. You are in a very unique group! So keep building, and try to not get too snarky with your comments. One of the problems with the internet is that some humor simply doesn=99t come across as well as it does in a live discussion, with the result that people can get their feelings hurt unintentionally. With all the problems with this list, it is still the best list I=99ve seen on the internet, with more true friendships spawned and more good information shared. Try the RV-10 list if you want to see one that is dysfunctional. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles N. Campbell Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? Douwe, I was thinking the same thing. I thought maybe the Christmas and New Year's celebrations might have had something to do with the lack of activity, but I'm beginning to think people are just tired of the list. I certainly am not tired of it. I have gotten a lot of good information from the list and hope that it picks up a bit. Chuck On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg > wrote: Hey all (or whomever is still out there) Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane. And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following. Is Brodhead next??!!! Douwe _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> <http://www.buildersbooks.com> <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> <http://www.mypilotstore.com> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Douwe, I have been reading what little has been posted most every day during the week. I have even made a few entries trying to answer a question or two. I have been looking at the number counter on each thread to see how many times it was viewed. To my surprise, The counts are high. Not sure if it is the same four people looking at them or if we just have a bunch of lurkers now. I for one would hate to see this dye a slow death. It sure helps me stay driven each day to keep flying my plane. The local airport activity keeps drying up and people disappearing from the airports. I even notice it at airports other than mine. Nobody doing anything anymore. So, for me it is hard to say if it is the friction the last year or so, or just plain less activity by everyone being the root cause. By the looks of the number of responses you have I think most are just being quite but still reading. Lets not let a good (GREAT) thing fail. Aviation started with us little guys, so I think it is up to us little guys to keep it alive. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437105#437105 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Well, That's a funny question, for me. My plans are Pietenpol plans. However, as I have already said, the wing ribs were made from the Grega plans. Also, the four engine mounts are Grega. I liked the sturdyness of the Grega mounts. I'm using a Corvair engine and I wanted a little more substantial connection to the fuselage. Also, I didn't like the Pietenpol arrangement where the inside mount piece dictates a different positioning of the upper and lower cross pieces. I think that would also weaken the structure somewhat. Other than those things, the plane is a Pietenpol. Also, I don't like the large, motorcycle type wheels. I'm using a 600/6 Matco wheels with toe-operated hydraulic brakes. I'll be operating off a macadam runway for the most part so I like the positive braking. Incidentally, I flew Navy fighters in WW2 (that to almost tell how old I am), I have quite a few flying hours, and I've never even SEEN an airplane with a rudder bar -- much less flown one. So I put in pedals -- contrary to the Pietenpol plans. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: > Charles, I tell people that I have a PietenGrega. My plane was built > between 1965 and 1973. It has a pure Pietenpol Fuselage with the Grega > setup for Piper Cub landing Gear. The wing is the 3 piece Grega. So on th e > Cabanes the top bolt runs front to rear, a la Grega, on the bottom of the > cabanes the bolt runs right to left, a la Pietenpol. > > What plans are you using? > > Blue Skies, > Steve D. > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Charles N. Campbell < > charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference >> between a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 pl ans >> and was planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- >> which is not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where the >> GN1 airfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I >> thought the GN1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set o f >> plans (minus one of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner w ho >> had lent the plans to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just >> finishing up the fuselage now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surface s >> are all built and awaiting cover. I will probably put the airplane >> together uncovered for an AI inspection. Then I will tear it apart for the >> covering and then reassemble it for the FAA inspection. A friend of min e >> did that with a little biplane and when the FAA man who flew up from >> Charlotte in a C172 took off (after the inspection) to return to CLT my >> friend took off right behind him for his first flight. Hope you have go od >> fortune on the building of the Piet. If I had a GN1 I wouldn't bother >> building a Piet unless I just wanted to build something. Keep us aware of >> the progress. Chuck >> >> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini < >> marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to >>> answer recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with >>> tablet. >>> I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am >>> flying a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park f ar >>> out at Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying somet hing >>> else. >>> On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey all (or whomever is still out there) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that >>>> since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a dras tic >>>> and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am les s interested in >>>> submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a gre at >>>> group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorit e >>>> thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say noth ing >>>> of helping me finish my plane. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) I s >>>> it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol >>>> =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking >>>> following. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is Brodhead next??!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Douwe >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbook s.com> >>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >>>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> >>>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> * >>> >>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks .com> >>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >>> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List < http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> >>> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >>> >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks. com> >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> >> >> * >> >> > > > -- > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Amen!!! On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:06 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> > > Douwe, > > I have been reading what little has been posted most every day during the > week. I have even made a few entries trying to answer a question or two. > I have been looking at the number counter on each thread to see how many > times it was viewed. To my surprise, The counts are high. Not sure if it > is the same four people looking at them or if we just have a bunch of > lurkers now. I for one would hate to see this dye a slow death. It sure > helps me stay driven each day to keep flying my plane. The local airport > activity keeps drying up and people disappearing from the airports. I even > notice it at airports other than mine. Nobody doing anything anymore. > > So, for me it is hard to say if it is the friction the last year or so, or > just plain less activity by everyone being the root cause. > > By the looks of the number of responses you have I think most are just > being quite but still reading. > > Lets not let a good (GREAT) thing fail. Aviation started with us little > guys, so I think it is up to us little guys to keep it alive. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437105#437105 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: dog67(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Hard to say of BPA is dying or not... I don't think it is. Certainly there has been some turn over. And it is winter - so less building. Aviation is always in flux. I do lurk on the site - because I think Piets are a very nostalgic and endearing aircraft and represent the spirit of flight better than most modern aircraft.=0A=0A=0AMy own Piet project languished as life filled up, so I bequeathed it to a better home - and hopefully those parts will be flying s omeday soon. Until then - I'll keep stopping by Brodhead every summer not he way to Oshkosh=0A=0A=0ACheers=0AJonathan Apfel baum=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Charles N. Campbell =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 1:23 pm=0ASubject: Re: Pietenp ol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?=0A=0A=0A=0AWell, That's a funny question, for me. My plans are Pietenpol plans. However, as I have already said, the wing ribs were made f rom the Grega plans. Also, the four engine mounts are Gre ga. I liked the sturdyness of the Grega mounts. I'm us ing a Corvair engine and I wanted a little more substantial connection to the fuselage. Also, I didn't like the Pietenp ol arrangement where the inside mount piece dictates a differe nt positioning of the upper and lower cross pieces. I thi nk that would also weaken the structure somewhat. Other tha n those things, the plane is a Pietenpol. Also, I don't like the large, motorcycle type wheels. I'm using a 600/6 Matco wheels with toe-operated hydraulic brakes. I'll be oper ating off a macadam runway for the most part so I like t he positive braking. Incidentally, I flew Navy fighters in WW2 (that to almost tell how old I am), I have quite a few flying hours, and I've never even SEEN an airplane with a rudder bar -- much less flown one. So I put in peda ls -- contrary to the Pietenpol plans. =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Steven Dortch wrote:=0A=0A=0ACharles, I tell people that I have a Pieten Grega. My plane was built between 1965 and 1973. It has a pure Pietenpol Fuselage with the Grega setup for Piper Cub l anding Gear. The wing is the 3 piece Grega. So on the Ca banes the top bolt runs front to rear, a la Grega, on th e bottom of the cabanes the bolt runs right to left, a l a Pietenpol. =0A =0AWhat plans are you using?=0A =0ABlue Skies ,=0ASteve D. =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM, C harles N. Campbell wrote:=0A=0A=0AMarcus , I think it would take a real expert to tell the differ ence between a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 plans and was planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- which is not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read whe re the GN1 airfoil provides a bit better climb than the Pi et. Otherwise, I thought the GN1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set of plans (minus one of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner who had lent the plans to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just finishing up the fuselage now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surfaces are all built and awaiting cover. I will probably put the airplane together uncovered for an A I inspection. Then I will tear it apart for the covering and then reassemble it for the FAA inspection. A friend o f mine did that with a little biplane and when the FAA m an who flew up from Charlotte in a C172 took off (after the inspection) to return to CLT my friend took off right behind him for his first flight. Hope you have good fortu ne on the building of the Piet. If I had a GN1 I wo uldn't bother building a Piet unless I just wanted to build something. Keep us aware of the progress. Chuck=0A=0A=0A=0AO n Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote:=0A=0AHopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answer recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tablet.=0AI bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even tho ugh I am flying a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else.=0AOn Ja n 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:=0A=0A=0AHey all (or whomever is still out there )=0A =0AAre we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol li st? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of wh ile back, there has been a drastic and steady =9Cexodus =9D of participants. I for one am less interested in s ubmitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Readin g the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane.=0A =0AAnd, whatever happened to the BPA?? 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Date: Jan 16, 2015
From: "THOMAS.233327" <thomas.233327(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
John Hoffman email address: thomas.233327(at)Comcast.net Tom Hale Kent Washington. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:50:31 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? John, You are a trooper for taking all this on! We need bragging rights? Someone should have told me. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? BPA is still here and thank you for your patience. Bad news and lame excuses: Been dealing with aging parents, quadriplegic ne phews with no health care and a career change. Time really flies when life gets in the way. Good news and moving forward: Career change is good, relatives fairly stabl e and three issues are in the works, the first of which will mail next week . I look to be caught up and and back to normal by mid - February. Anyone w ho paid and is owed issues will get them, unlike in the past. Hopefully tha t will rekindle some interest and input. Other good things: I will be at SNF and will have a booth in the type club tent by the walkway to the antique/classic parking area. I am trying to get a Pietenpol forum on as well. I will get to visit the guys in the wood wor king area and hope to do an article on the volunteer work they do. An new w ebsite is in the works where we will have recent back issues available to m embers as a pdf file as well as a forum and a social network component. A s erver switch is also going to happen. I have heard from several people that the BPA email is not working properly. I will update the email there to th is one for now: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com . One thing I will need from many of you is a good email address. When taking over from Doc and Dee last year I got good postal addresses but did not ge t a list of good email addresses. This will be necessary to get you on the web. On a sad note: I did not see it mentioned anywhere that Edward Herrmann pas sed away last week. Hopefully Ezra Stiles will make that outside loop with the help of the Big Man. Finally: This is the 40th Brodhead gathering this year. I am pitching this in the newsletter out this week about a "Brodhead Cup." It would be a small air race for Pietenpols. It would have several divisions: A-65, Model A, C orvair and an "Open" division that would cover all the of previous division s and even include GN-1s. It will be a Figure 8 race with a race horse star t (just kidding). Actually I was thinking of placing a person at the Monroe airport and we could do a timed run from Brodhead to Monroe and back. This would be for bragging rights and just plain fun. Let me know what you think about the race. -john- On Jan 16, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg < douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net > wrote: Hey all (or whomever is still out there) Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and st eady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thi ng about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of h elping me finish my plane. And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthpi eces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following. Is Brodhead next??!!! Douwe style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""> www.aeroel ectric.com href=" http://www.buildersbooks.com/ " style="color: purple; text-decor ation: underline;" class=""> www.buildersbooks.com style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""> www.homebu ilthelp.com style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""> www.mypilo tstore.com style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""> www.mrrace .com style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""> http://www .matronics.com/contribution href=" http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List " style="color : purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""> http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Pietenpol-List purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""> http://forums.matronics.co m www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com www.mypilotstore.com www.mrrace.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: Peter Johnson <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Hi Guys, A little update on my GN-1 rebuild. Just finished painting the fuse and tail feathers. Into the reassembly and engine run. I=B9ll take the completed fuse to the hangar and then I can concentrate on th e wing covering. Pic attached. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://repiet.cpc-world.com From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> Date: Saturday, 17 January 2015 3:50 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference between a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 plans and was planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- which i s not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where the GN1 airfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I thought th e GN1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set of plans (minus one of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner who had lent the plans to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just finishing up the fuselage now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surfaces are all built and awaiting cover. I will probably put the airplane together uncovered for an AI inspection. Then I will tear it apart for the covering and then reassemble it for the FAA inspection. A friend of mine did that with a little biplane and when the FAA man who flew up from Charlotte in a C172 took off (after the inspection) to return to CLT my friend took off right behind him for his first flight. Hope you have good fortune on the buildin g of the Piet. If I had a GN1 I wouldn't bother building a Piet unless I jus t wanted to build something. Keep us aware of the progress. Chuck On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote: > > Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answer > recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tabl et. > I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flying a > GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at > Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else . > > On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" > wrote: >> Hey all (or whomever is still out there=8A) >> >> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that s ince >> the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and >> steady =B3exodus=B2 of participants. I for one am less interested in submit ting >> thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group unti l the >> last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most >> mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me f inish >> my plane. >> >> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it >> dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =B3mouthpieces =B2 >> around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following. >> >> Is Brodhead next??!!! >> >> Douwe >> >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com> >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.co m> >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com> >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com <http://www.mypilotstore.com> >> ank">www.mrrace.com <http://www.mrrace.com> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com > ank">www.mrrace.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > <http://www.buildersbooks.com> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "G Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Date: Jan 16, 2015
I=99m still here in wintry Alberta, Canada and still monitor the Pietenpol list regularly. After building and flying my Pietenpol CF-AUN for nearly 43 years I donated it to a local museum in September 2013. But I will always be interested in this neat design that pioneered grassroots aviation, and the people who build and fly Pietenpols. I rarely contribute to the discussion anymore since the same topics previously dealt with keep surfacing, and a search of the archives would almost always provide an answer to any question. Perhaps this is one reason why it seems the list is slowing down. Maybe people are beginning to use the archives more than previously. Just guessing, though. Keep =98em flying! Graham Hansen EAA 2063 From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? Hey all (or whomever is still out there) Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane. And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following. Is Brodhead next??!!! Douwe No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 01/16/15 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Two plans questions
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Hello, 1) trying to get an order for some of the fuselage. On sheet 1, under the top profile drawing towards the right, it notes the size of wood. It's 3/4 X 1 for 1, 7 to ???? I can't read itseems like it could be 14, but I'm wondering the size of 15. 2) the forward part of the rudder is shown as 43 1/2", but the back end of the vert stab adds up to 43", so I plan to make the front of the rudder 43". Just wondering what others did. Thank you, -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437113#437113 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Two plans questions
From: "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jan 16, 2015
hi John 1) would be 1 and 7-14 for the 1" x 3/4" 2) 43" should work- i cut the bottom off my rudder and added a a new piece to make it match up to the bottom of the fuse... hope all is well with you! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437114#437114 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Two plans questions
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 16, 2015
Thanks! All is well. Starting to turn my attention to the fusetail shouldn't take much longer. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437115#437115 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Date: Jan 16, 2015
You lucky bum! Don't forget the PIET. Ray Krause Still building SkyScout. Tail feathers almost all covered. Pictures later. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 16, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > > Its time of year and weather for me. Its cold and flu season (I caught the superbug), weve had many WEEKS of IFR wx. Im gone for the holidays and Im very busy at the beginning of the semester. > > Waaa! > > > Also, I just bought the attached and it's keeping me busy. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437101#437101 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/jeffpitts1_207.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/jeffpitts2_293.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 16, 2015
I agree that the forum sure has seemed slow lately. It may just be a transition as was mentioned from the old guard to the latest generation of people building and flying. Even though we build generally alone, this is quite a social journey. I for one appreciate that social part as much as this history and building. Off to layout the flat patterns for my fuel tank this weekend - after scrapping my first attempt that I tried over the holiday break. (i was going to "overbend" the flanges and have Mike weld the outside - thus strong with the flange but no chance for the seem to leak) I have done a lot of research since then and will be doing the tank in a more tried-and-true method. The Piet archive and west coast Piet were a big help in the research....... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437121#437121 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: Gerrit-Jan Kaal <gjhkaal(at)gmail.com>
Hi Douwe, I hope the Pietenpol list is far from dead. Its a daily read for me, and although i just started building, it is very inspiring to read about other piet builders and the solutions for issues like the front harness. Gerrit-Jan On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Hey all (or whomever is still out there) > > > Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that > since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic > and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less i nterested in > submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great > group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite > thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing > of helping me finish my plane. > > > And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is i t > dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmout hpieces=9D > around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following. > > > Is Brodhead next??!!! > > > Douwe > > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net>
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Say it ain't so JOE.... Just as a newcomer like me tasted the coolaid and buried himself in t88 glue and spruce dust someone turns out the light? I've been building for just over a year, I work on something every day. I read this list at least once a day(usually check it multiple times for new stuff. I am practically all alone here in Arkansas with only one visitor from a builder, and hardly anyone else. This list is very important to me for inspiration and knowledge. I made my first trip to Brodhead last July, 9 days after having a heart attack and a stint placement . So it is difficult for me to understand this list and the Brodhead gathering to be in it's decline. I could be putting stuff on the list more often than I do but I feel that only important or unique things are wanted. I just don't want to think that all this is going away just as I got here. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437123#437123 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Chuck what did you fly in the NAVY, my dad flew Corsairs, TV-2s then P2Vs in the Reserve. Thanks for your service! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor > On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:22 PM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote: > > Well, That's a funny question, for me. My plans are Pietenpol plans. How ever, as I have already said, the wing ribs were made from the Grega plans. Also, the four engine mounts are Grega. I liked the sturdyness of the Greg a mounts. I'm using a Corvair engine and I wanted a little more substantial connection to the fuselage. Also, I didn't like the Pietenpol arrangement w here the inside mount piece dictates a different positioning of the upper an d lower cross pieces. I think that would also weaken the structure somewhat . Other than those things, the plane is a Pietenpol. Also, I don't like th e large, motorcycle type wheels. I'm using a 600/6 Matco wheels with toe-op erated hydraulic brakes. I'll be operating off a macadam runway for the mos t part so I like the positive braking. Incidentally, I flew Navy fighters i n WW2 (that to almost tell how old I am), I have quite a few flying hours, a nd I've never even SEEN an airplane with a rudder bar -- much less flown one . So I put in pedals -- contrary to the Pietenpol plans. > >> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Steven Dortch wrote: >> Charles, I tell people that I have a PietenGrega. My plane was built betw een 1965 and 1973. It has a pure Pietenpol Fuselage with the Grega setup for Piper Cub landing Gear. The wing is the 3 piece Grega. So on the Cabanes th e top bolt runs front to rear, a la Grega, on the bottom of the cabanes the b olt runs right to left, a la Pietenpol. >> >> What plans are you using? >> >> Blue Skies, >> Steve D. >> >>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote: >>> Marcus, I think it would take a real expert to tell the difference betwe en a GN1 and a regular Pietenpol. I originally had a set of GN1 plans and w as planning on building one. In fact, my wing uses the GN1 airfoil -- which is not a whole lot different from the Piet. I think I read where the GN1 a irfoil provides a bit better climb than the Piet. Otherwise, I thought the G N1 was a bit more complex than the Piet so I gave the set of plans (minus on e of the full-size wing rib drawings) back to the owner who had lent the pla ns to me and I ordered a set of Piet plans. I'm just finishing up the fusel age now (still uncovered). Wings and tail surfaces are all built and awaiti ng cover. I will probably put the airplane together uncovered for an AI ins pection. Then I will tear it apart for the covering and then reassemble it f or the FAA inspection. A friend of mine did that with a little biplane and w hen the FAA man who flew up from Charlotte in a C172 took off (after the ins pection) to return to CLT my friend took off right behind him for his first f light. Hope you have good fortune on the building of the Piet. If I had a G N1 I wouldn't bother building a Piet unless I just wanted to build something . Keep us aware of the progress. Chuck >>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini@gmail. com> wrote: >>>> Hopefully not! I will put pics on, today, of my front harness, to answ er recent posts. Probably a little late, but need to get to hangar with tabl et. >>>> I bid on an A65 on eBay.... Looks like I may get. Even though I am flyi ng a GN-1 now....one day, I will build. So, will I have to park far out at Brodhead. I do plan to be there....and not cheat by flying something else. >>>> >>>>> On Jan 16, 2015 10:46 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: >>>>> Hey all (or whomever is still out there) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic a nd steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less inter ested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a g reat group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing o f helping me finish my plane. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) I s it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmo uthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrink ing following. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is Brodhead next??!!! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Douwe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >>>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >>>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >>>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >>>>> ank">www.mrrace.com >>>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>>>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >>>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >>>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >>>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >>>> ank">www.mrrace.com >>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >>> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >>> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >>> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >>> ank">www.mrrace.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Blue Skies, >> Steve D >> >> >> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> >> .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >> ank">www.mrrace.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
Date: Jan 17, 2015
steven.d.dortch(at)gmail. wrote: > Jeff, Is that the Aerial version? > > Looks like an earlier version Pitts, what HP? > > Blue Skies > Steve D > > > The engine is a Frankenstein Lycoming 0-290D/G (probably putting out 130 hp). It is an early S1C, originally built in 1966. It underwent a very thorough rebuild that was finished in 2013, but never flown. A friend of mine bought it to finish and get flying. Hes an A&P and very much a Pitts expert (hes the crew chief and #2 pilot for the biplane team that won Reno 2014). I bought if from him for about half what he could get on the market, but hes very interested in keeping the plane on the field and encouraging as much activity as possible. My skills are nowhere near whats needed, so Im trying to arrange some serious instruction in an S2. In the meantime, Ill keep flying the Piet, of course! Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437127#437127 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Looks very classic. A buddy has been competitive in aerobatics for many years. He was the top biplane competitor for several years. I asked him why he did not get one of the hot monoplanes and he said "I am not near pushing my Pitts to it's limits yet. I hear that they are "sporting" to land. Is that so? Blue Skies On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> > > > steven.d.dortch(at)gmail. wrote: > > Jeff, Is that the Aerial version? > > > > Looks like an earlier version Pitts, what HP? > > > > Blue Skies > > Steve D > > > > > > > > > The engine is a Frankenstein Lycoming 0-290D/G (probably putting out 130 > hp). It is an early S1C, originally built in 1966. It underwent a very > thorough rebuild that was finished in 2013, but never flown. A friend of > mine bought it to finish and get flying. He=99s an A&P and very muc h a Pitts > expert (he=99s the crew chief and #2 pilot for the biplane team tha t won Reno > 2014). I bought if from him for about half what he could get on the marke t, > but he=99s very interested in keeping the plane on the field and en couraging > as much activity as possible. > > My skills are nowhere near what=99s needed, so I=99m trying t o arrange some > serious instruction in an S2. In the meantime, I=99ll keep flying t he Piet, > of course! > > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437127#437127 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
I would like to continue to bemoan the decline of the list, but I have 3 good weather days off and Intend on working on my Piet. A short list of projects: making 2 new Pully holders for my aileron cables making the front shoulder harness attachment stripping and painting the small round inspection covers Going over the plane looking for cotter keys and such that need installing finding some Prop bolts installing the data plate making and installing the cover for my wing tank making a side access panel 5X8 I doubt that I will get half of that done, but I will check the list every night and post questions. So I am doing my part by asking questions. Thanks to those of you who answer or discuss. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:03 AM, aviken wrote: > > Say it ain't so JOE.... Just as a newcomer like me tasted the coolaid > and buried himself in t88 glue and spruce dust someone turns out the light? > I've been building for just over a year, I work on something every > day. I read this list at least once a day(usually check it multiple times > for new stuff. I am practically all alone here in Arkansas with only one > visitor from a builder, and hardly anyone else. This list is very > important to me for inspiration and knowledge. I made my first trip to > Brodhead last July, 9 days after having a heart attack and a stint > placement . So it is difficult for me to understand this list and the > Brodhead gathering to be in it's decline. > I could be putting stuff on the list more often than I do but I feel > that only important or unique things are wanted. > I just don't want to think that all this is going away just as I got > here. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437123#437123 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Douwe, I think there are times when many of us are doing the rather mundane parts o f building and/or maintaining our aircraft. For example, I'm in the covering process and it is rather tedious, repetitive and slow. It's hard to make pr ogress that is too exciting. Another point is that we tend to make friends in our own geographical areas w here communication comes outside the forum, unfortunately. For example, I co mmunicate with Gary Boothe, Chris Tracy, Jim Boyer, Oscar Zuniga, etc on occ asion when I have a quick question on a specific point that I know they have dealt with in the past. This may not be of benefit to the entire group, so m aybe it should go through to Forum. Several weeks ago, Chris, Gary, Brian Rieger and his father (building a PIET together) and other friends were here to visit, look at my progress and scr uff up a free lunch! (I think all my tools are still here!) It was a great d ay. The next day Gary came back to loan me some of his covering materials th at I had failed to order. Then Chris put me in contact with Bill Liimataine n, from near Brodhead who had built a Sky Scout and had great suggestions on the landing gear. Bill called me subsequently and we spoke for nearly an h our about Pietenpols. He is sending me some plans and photos of his gear. Also during the visit here, I gave Chris a memory stick from Jake Schultz th at had 146 photos of the Sky Scout in a museum in WA. Chris will put these o n Westcoat PIET site. So, we are active, just not writing too much. But now you have stirred us u p and we are writing too much, at least I am! Thanks, Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 16, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg w rote: > > Hey all (or whomever is still out there) > > Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that sin ce the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and s teady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less intereste d in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a grea t group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite th ing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of h elping me finish my plane. > > And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthp ieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking f ollowing. > > Is Brodhead next??!!! > > Douwe > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Date: Jan 17, 2015
I look for my Piet list digest in the email pretty much first thing every d ay=2C and have been disappointed to see zero messages in the digest a coupl e of times lately. I think it's pretty common for this to happen in the wi nter months=2C what with the holidays and it being too cold to build or fly . I know I comment and post too much=2C so I try not to reply to posts unless I can offer something constructive=2C encouraging=2C or maybe humorous. I also ask questions about things I see on other people's airplanes because I like to learn and as William Wynne says=2C "I reserve the right to get sm arter" when it comes to a new and better way to do something. There is nev er any shortage of things like this coming from the list=2C you just have t o wait patiently for it. Actually=2C it's good training for being a good P iet pilot. Patience=2C that is. I may have been part of the 'friction' from last year and after getting pun ched in the gut by one person and had my engineering pshaw'ed by another=2C I unsubscribed from the list but wasn't able to resist checking the forum at least once a day to keep track of who is doing what. My self-imposed ab sence lasted a couple of months but there is too much good here for me to s tay away. Right now there are a couple of airplanes under construction that I am real ly anxious to see get completed and start flying. At the top of the list i s Aerocar Jake's round-engine=2C steel-frame Piet up in Washington. I was thrilled to see Ken Bickers get his plane finished up in Colorado (how's th e testing going=2C Ken?)- and there are others out there that are getting c lose. I'm really interested in seeing Kenny Crider's Jeep-powered Piet kee p coming together. And although I may end up in a wheelchair before it hap pens=2C I'd sure like to see Steve Dortch finish up "FrankenPiet" and get i t flying to close that loop. This is why I stick around=2C along with wait ing for the old-timers to drop tasty crumbs of knowledge=2C links to "watch me make smoke!" and "a 10-minute flight around the patch" videos=2C all of it. Not slowly dying... just getting rested up for spring =3Bo) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Medford=2C OR ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Not sure why, but it looks like my message got truncated so here it is again. Sorry if it's a repeat: I look for my Piet list digest in the email pretty much first thing every d ay=2C and have been disappointed to see zero messages in the digest a coupl e of times lately. I think it's pretty common for this to happen in the wi nter months=2C what with the holidays and it being too cold to build or fly . I know I comment and post too much=2C so I try not to reply to posts unless I can offer something constructive=2C encouraging=2C or maybe humorous. I also ask questions about things I see on other people's airplanes because I like to learn and as William Wynne says=2C "I reserve the right to get sm arter" when it comes to a new and better way to do something. There is nev er any shortage of things like this coming from the list=2C you just have t o wait patiently for it. Actually=2C it's good training for being a good P iet pilot. Patience=2C that is. I may have been part of the 'friction' from last year and after getting pun ched in the gut by one person and had my engineering pshaw'ed by another=2C I unsubscribed from the list but wasn't able to resist checking the forum at least once a day to keep track of who is doing what. My self-imposed ab sence lasted a couple of months but there is too much good here for me to s tay away. Right now there are a couple of airplanes under construction that I am real ly anxious to see get completed and start flying. At the top of the list i s Aerocar Jake's round-engine=2C steel-frame Piet up in Washington. I was thrilled to see Ken Bickers get his plane finished up in Colorado (how's th e testing going=2C Ken?)- and there are others out there that are getting c lose. I'm really interested in seeing Kenny Crider's Jeep-powered Piet kee p coming together. And although I may end up in a wheelchair before it hap pens=2C I'd sure like to see Steve Dortch finish up "FrankenPiet" and get i t flying to close that loop. This is why I stick around=2C along with wait ing for the old-timers to drop tasty crumbs of knowledge=2C links to "watch me make smoke!" and "a 10-minute flight around the patch" videos=2C all of it. Not slowly dying... just getting rested up for spring =3Bo) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Medford=2C OR -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437147#437147 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: prop bolts
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Steve; What are you looking for in the way of prop bolts? Do you have a tapered shaft hub or a flanged hub? They take different bolts... the flanged hubs generally have drive lugs and the bolts go through the crush plate and prop before screwing into the threaded lugs. Those bolts require drilled heads so they can be safetied at the front. The tapered shaft hub, at least the one I had on Scout, had the bolts pointing threaded end forward, using castellated nuts and washers over the crush plate and being drilled for safety wire through the castellated nuts. I have a set of six brand-new and unflown AN6 prop bolts that were not the right length for my hub after I changed props. I can measure them and take a photo next time I'm at the hangar and if they'll work for you, I'll pop them in the mail to you. Let me know what you need. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437149#437149 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Empennage "How To"
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jan 17, 2015
File under: Unsolicited advice. Stumbled across an email I wrote up a few years ago in response to a friend's question regarding the method I used to approach building the empennage. Thought it may be of some use to anyone studying the plans and left scratching their head as to how the details work out on this item. So I edited it and threw it together into a document, which is attached, in PDF format. This isn't the only way to skin this cat - just an easier method. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437153#437153 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/empennage_729.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Subject: BPA and the List
From: Dave Boyd <dndboyd2(at)gmail.com>
Your comments and analysis are right on Jack. I poured over the list daily while I was building. I still scan it for tidbits. Somewhat ashamedly I don't make many inputs. In some cases I can't even remember how I did something myself when someone asks a question but as you said the archives will answer almost any question. I'm hoping to get NX7710J to Brodhead this year. I drove to Brodhead every year while building but since completing and flying the airplane in Nov. 2012 I have not been free to go for a variety of reasons. People who are building should be keeping the list alive and perhaps sharing where in the archives they found something, or that they are looking and can't find an answer. It is a great group. Lots of fun. Dave Boyd Champaign, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
With guys like you and me it won't go away! Keep building. The guys will be back. C On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:03 AM, aviken wrote: > > Say it ain't so JOE.... Just as a newcomer like me tasted the coolaid > and buried himself in t88 glue and spruce dust someone turns out the light? > I've been building for just over a year, I work on something every > day. I read this list at least once a day(usually check it multiple times > for new stuff. I am practically all alone here in Arkansas with only one > visitor from a builder, and hardly anyone else. This list is very > important to me for inspiration and knowledge. I made my first trip to > Brodhead last July, 9 days after having a heart attack and a stint > placement . So it is difficult for me to understand this list and the > Brodhead gathering to be in it's decline. > I could be putting stuff on the list more often than I do but I feel > that only important or unique things are wanted. > I just don't want to think that all this is going away just as I got > here. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437123#437123 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Hey all, you folks have all come out of the woodwork to remind us worry warts that the list is still strong. Thanks to all of you I won't run out of things to read. I am now a happy Air- Camper. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437161#437161 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Today's flight
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 17, 2015
I flew for about 45 minutes today. Chris Tracy's brother David has a beautiful Pitts S2B. We flew in loose formation and he took some air to air pics. That's not easy to do with the huge speed differences. We had a great time. Here is one of the pics. Have a great weekend everyone. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437164#437164 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3280_635.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 17, 2015
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Cold windy flying
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Subject: Re: Empennage "How To"
From: "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Thank you! -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437165#437165 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Subject: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum hinges?
From: Andrew Armstrong <write.aarmstrong(at)gmail.com>
Hi, I've got a crazy idea to try printing out the hinges on a 3D printer - have the dimensions been posted somewhere? Found plenty of pictures, but no actual dimensions. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum
hinges?
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 17, 2015
There are no engineering drawings for them although I started drawing them in wireframe in AutoCAD in hopes of having some molds made so I could have them extruded in Zytel. Too much trouble and cost, too low a demand for them. Here's a picture with a ruler on it for scale. I could take some dimensions if you were serious about wanting to make something accurate. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437188#437188 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/hinges3small_138.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Date: Jan 17, 2015
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Today's flight
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Keep her flying, Scott. Beautiful. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 17, 2015, at 4:39 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > I flew for about 45 minutes today. Chris Tracy's brother David has a beautiful Pitts S2B. We flew in loose formation and he took some air to air pics. That's not easy to do with the huge speed differences. We had a great time. Here is one of the pics. Have a great weekend everyone. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437164#437164 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3280_635.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Today's flight
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Keep her flying, Scott. Beautiful. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad > On Jan 17, 2015, at 4:39 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > > I flew for about 45 minutes today. Chris Tracy's brother David has a beautiful Pitts S2B. We flew in loose formation and he took some air to air pics. That's not easy to do with the huge speed differences. We had a great time. Here is one of the pics. Have a great weekend everyone. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437164#437164 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3280_635.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 17, 2015
Is this list dead... Yes. Has been for years. It's the most antiquated forum software still active. Is the bpa dead. Yes. I gave more rides to guys building piets last year at brodhead than should be possible. The guys who host brodhead and the leadership of "piets" is completely disconnected. Paper based newsletters are a thing of the past. These are observations only. I don't have a solution, or I'd just do it. William w. Has offered and been rebutted by the "majority". There's not much more that can be offered anyway. I was the safety officer for the last a4 squadron in the navy, hell, not much more that could be done in that jet by that time, ya know? Just accept it. In the words of the vocal majority, use your search function! Hehe Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437191#437191 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 18, 2015
Subject: Re: Empennage "How To"
From: Gerrit-Jan Kaal <gjhkaal(at)gmail.com>
Hi Bill, Thanks for the unsolicited advice. I was just wondering how to approach the issue with the tapered trailing end of the rudder, and came up with the same solution. But this guideline or yours is absolutely helping! Gerrit-Jan Building a Pietenpol in the Netherlands (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2032474,6.7939988,15z) On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> > > File under: Unsolicited advice. > > Stumbled across an email I wrote up a few years ago in response to a > friend's question regarding the method I used to approach building the > empennage. Thought it may be of some use to anyone studying the plans and > left scratching their head as to how the details work out on this item. So > I edited it and threw it together into a document, which is attached, in > PDF format. > This isn't the only way to skin this cat - just an easier method. > > BC > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437153#437153 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/empennage_729.pdf > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum
hinges?
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 18, 2015
Zytel ..... really? WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437195#437195 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 18, 2015
To the forum- Here is my very short list of words that have helped to diminish the value of this forum, in my not-so humble opinion- 1. "Curmudgeon". That inside joke got way out of hand to the point many people got tired of seeing it used and it took away from the real discussion of building. If you want to call someone a "curmudgeon", describe their ways as "curmudgeonly", etc. etc, then call them or email them off line. That inside joke became not very funny for many of us. Along the same line, sarcasm doesn't travel well on the information highway, so I think it didn't work well here either. 2. "Archives". That word has been over used when someone asked a question and the ONLY answers were comments using that word, such as "it's in the archives" or "search the archives". No other help was given. To me that is like answering a question with the phrase "Google it". I know that you builders and flyers have been here a long time and you have seen the same question over and over, but isn't that true in life? If you love sports, woodworking, computers, or any other of a hundred different hobbies, don't you get asked the same questions over and over by new hobbyists? If you want to kill whatever pastime you love, just keep answering " it's on the Internet. Go find it," and then ask your self why new people don't get into your hobby of choice. Pay it back by answering the question. 3. "Safety" and "risk management". What! Safety and risk management are words that hurt the forum? No, not really. What hurt the forum were, when those words were used with good arguments and logic behind them, the attitudes exhibited by some forum members. Some people got upset and argued about Bernard Pietenpol's vision of those words, or they argued how "they felt comfortable with their choices" after multiple experienced builders told them their choice was unsafe. We had one recent situation where a builder was called out by name for a known, bad choice they had made in their engine build, and all hell broke loose. It became a " I don't like your attitude, William Wynne, because you were so bold as to use a person's name and criticize them." And the discussion went off all personal at that point. And heated. So I guess the better answer is those words did not hurt the forum. But they brought out attitudes that did. So how do we fix things? 1. Leave sarcasm and inside jokes off the forum or at least keep it to a minimum. Inside jokes are exclusive, not inclusive. New builders feel excluded when there is a constant flow of that stuff. Like salt in your diet, use it sparingly. 2. If you can take two minutes or even five or ten to answer a question, just pay it back and answer the question. think about how you appreciated it when someone helped you with your project. Maybe back then you called them on the phone or sat at a picnic table at Brodhead and talked. This is no different. 3. When safety and risk management are discussed, STOP! Think about how it applies to you, and don't get involved in shooting the messenger. The life you save may be your own. Or that of a Young Eagle you are flying. Sorry for the long discussion. I think this forum or another one like it on a different platform (I agree with Tools on that point) has the ability to be a real help to builders and a real community for flyers and enthusiasts. I am cautiously optimistic having seen a few posts over the past couple of days that has turned some discussion back on. So, thanks, Douwe, for talking about the elephant in the room. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437197#437197 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 18, 2015
Subject: Re: front harness attach point
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
I wanted an easily removable setup. I now know the 3/16 cable is over-kill. There wasn't a harness when I bought, but the tabs were there, so may have once had (should have, since built in '91. With a passenger the setup doesn't touch windshield, but still a little close. Critique and suggestions welcome! Zeke GN-1 (and then some) On Jan 13, 2015 12:22 AM, "taildrags" wrote: > > Wow, Scott- lots of interesting things to see on your airplane! First of > all, I'm surprised that there are no photos of your plane on Westcoastpiet, > unless I'm not looking in the right place. We've got to get on Chris Tracy > to get him to upload some pictures! So it's obvious that you have the > elevator control cables routed externally like Dick Navratil's airplane, > but the 'walking beam' on your airplane is down on the bottom longerons > where Dick's is pretty much at the midline of the tail. From the picture > it appears that the upper elevator cable has to make a very sharp angle > over the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer to get to the top of the > elevator horn. Is that just the camera angle fooling my eyes? > > Next question is, of course, what the black kickstand-looking thing is at > the lower port side of the fuselage. Some type of step for getting in and > out of the cockpits? > > Then there is the vane-type airspeed indicator. Do you also have a > conventional ASI? I don't see a pitot tube. > > Like I say, there are a lot of interesting things to see in that photo! > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436939#436939 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: front harness attach point
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: Jan 18, 2015
Marcus, it looks good. It will certainly help the passenger. Good job. I also made mine easy to take out but have never removed them. I like the fact that they help to hold all my camping gear in too. Cheers, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437202#437202 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum
hinges?
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jan 18, 2015
Yes, Zytel. Dimensionally stable, tough, durable, self-lubricating, and can be injection molded to nearly complete state without all of the finishing operations that the cast aluminum ones require. Zytel is what I use for the wing rib attach clips that I also sell. I bought the rights and molds from Ed Fisher some years ago, and the clips are used on all of Ed's designs. Some photos here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/rogueairparts -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437203#437203 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminum
hinges?
From: "aearmstrong" <write.aarmstrong(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jan 18, 2015
Thank you. By chance could you take one from above while on the graph paper and ruler as well? I don't know about Zytel, but a Taulman 3d is doing nylon filaments, though I suspect the current blends are too flexible for hinges. -------- Andrew Armstrong Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437205#437205 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <ryan(at)rmueller.org>
Date: Jan 18, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)
Please do expound upon this. It seems that you are saying the BPA is dead because: 1. You gave more rides than should be possible. 2. Chapter 431 and "the leadership of piets" (which is whom?) are completely disconnected. How are those items related, and what do you mean by #2? -Ryan ________________________________ Message 23 > ____________________________________ > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? > From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> > > > Is the bpa dead. Yes. I gave more rides to guys building piets last year > at brodhead > than should be possible. The guys who host brodhead and the leadership > of "piets" is completely disconnected. Paper based newsletters are a > thing of > the past. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Drag/antiDrag wire
From: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Date: Jan 18, 2015
What should tension be for wing drag and anti drag wires ? Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 18, 2015
Subject: Re: front harness attach point
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Looks good, you asked for suggestions. Perhaps replace the end attachment with a quick disconnect for when you don't have passengers. Mine snap on and off. Blue Skies, Steve D On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote: > I wanted an easily removable setup. I now know the 3/16 cable is > over-kill. There wasn't a harness when I bought, but the tabs were there, > so may have once had (should have, since built in '91. > With a passenger the setup doesn't touch windshield, but still a little > close. > Critique and suggestions welcome! > Zeke > GN-1 (and then some) > On Jan 13, 2015 12:22 AM, "taildrags" wrote: > >> >> Wow, Scott- lots of interesting things to see on your airplane! First of >> all, I'm surprised that there are no photos of your plane on Westcoastpiet, >> unless I'm not looking in the right place. We've got to get on Chris Tracy >> to get him to upload some pictures! So it's obvious that you have the >> elevator control cables routed externally like Dick Navratil's airplane, >> but the 'walking beam' on your airplane is down on the bottom longerons >> where Dick's is pretty much at the midline of the tail. From the picture >> it appears that the upper elevator cable has to make a very sharp angle >> over the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer to get to the top of the >> elevator horn. Is that just the camera angle fooling my eyes? >> >> Next question is, of course, what the black kickstand-looking thing is at >> the lower port side of the fuselage. Some type of step for getting in and >> out of the cockpits? >> >> Then there is the vane-type airspeed indicator. Do you also have a >> conventional ASI? I don't see a pitot tube. >> >> Like I say, there are a lot of interesting things to see in that photo! >> >> -------- >> Oscar Zuniga >> Medford, OR >> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> A75 power >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436939#436939 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> br> fts!) >> r> > com" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >> w.buildersbooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >> p.com" target="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com >> e.com" target="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com >> " target="_blank">www.mrrace.com >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ========== >> br> enpol-List" target="_blank"> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> >> >> >> -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 18, 2015
Subject: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Scott your use of the word Air- Camper. please note, Air-camper is reserved for those of us with Pietengregas! You must apply to our club for membership. Note: we are shunned by all those building Air Campers and Aircampers! Please verify that you have a Pietenpol that was built with plans modified by Grega, but before he created the Grega GN1! ;+} Blue Skies, On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:28 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> > > Hey all, > you folks have all come out of the woodwork to remind us worry warts that > the list is still strong. Thanks to all of you I won't run out of things to > read. I am now a happy Air- Camper. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437161#437161 > > -- Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 18, 2015
Subject: Re: front harness attach point
From: Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com>
Thanks, Scott. The pic you posted of yours is what made me realize what those tabs were for. Love this forum. On Jan 18, 2015 12:19 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> > > Marcus, > it looks good. It will certainly help the passenger. Good job. I also made > mine easy to take out but have never removed them. I like the fact that > they help to hold all my camping gear in too. > Cheers, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437202#437202 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "yb21701(at)juno.com" <yb21701(at)juno.com>
Date: Jan 18, 2015
Subject: Pietenpol posting
I read the site daily and have been helped all along the way (since 2012 ). My only prior input was a photo of construction progress about a year ago.This photo shows that I'm about ready for fabric - using Stewart Sy stem and Latex. I'll post information and photos of modifications I have incorporated, but ONLY AFTER they are proven in flight. Many thanks to Oscar Zuniga, Peter Johnson, and other particularly helpful contributors , and to Matt Dralle's site administration, including the FAQ & Archives (gold mine of information). Also thanks to BPA's Doc & Dee Mosher and J ohn Hoffman (good info in the Newsletter). In my opinion, the Matronics Pietenpol site is not dead - far from it! Don Youngblood ____________________________________________________________ What's your flood risk? 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