Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-nz
January 22, 2015 - February 03, 2015
We're still not comfortable landing here with pax, so he dropped me off at a friends
house, I came home and grabbed a camera. Awful dark for film, but managed
to get his second landing, he beat me home. It takes a dozen landings or so,
but at some point, landing uphill really isn't all that different.
http://youtu.be/MF1TkalZzr4
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
I have clipped J-3 wings.....that must mean.....tomorrow I am going out
and......NOT doing any aerobatics....
On Jan 22, 2015 5:32 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:
> Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
>
> Hello Fellow Pieters,
>
> Well Like I said, I have nothing to hide except the fear that you guys may
> want to ban me from the Piet list now. :) Where do I start? How about
> the use of the word Certified? I used the term very loosely when I made my
> last entry. I should better explain. "Aerobatics" are authorized on my
> "Operating Limitations" for "one" person only. It is on the limitations
> the way it is because it was done in 1972. Today it is done through a
> logbook entry. The test pilot today just states that certain maneuvers
> have been demonstrated and are safe to perform. Back in 1972 the maneuvers
> had to be performed in view of the FAA person who issued the "Operating
> Limitations". Mine were so demonstrated. Loops, Rolls, Stalls, Spins,
> Hammerheads etc. All positive G's.
>
> The question about the parachute. I can legally fly and do aerobatics
> without a chute if I am by myself. If I had a passenger, both persons
> would need to wear a chute. Now we all know that there simply is not any
> room in a Piet for a chute. This is true with my plane too, so yes I do
> the aerobatics without one. I quit doing loops about 15 years ago because
> the pull up in the beginning of the loop induced a fare amount of G's to
> get the plane over the top of the loop. So now if I want the feeling of
> the loop I just do a split S. I can do that and keep the plane under 2-G's
> safely. Why load the plane up if I don't need to? Yes the barrel only
> puts a little more than 1-G on the plane.
>
> Okay, so now on to the air-frame differences. I admit that it looks like
> a Piet but under the fabric, it is not. I have a steel tube fuselage. It
> is not the fuse on the Pietenpol drawings. The dimensions are the same as
> the Piet but the structure is not. I have a lot more tubing in mine. I
> also have steel tail feathers. The wing is also different hence the
> bigger ailerons. The wings were actually built to the "REED" Clipped wing
> drawings for the J-3 cub. These are the wings that allow the guys to do
> acro in the cubs. So the wing is a proven acro wing. I only have a 27
> foot wing span, this make the ailerons look huge.
>
> This is only a brief description of the big differences and it will only
> cause more questions, but that is okay with me. Like you guys, I like
> talking about my plane.
>
> So I'm sure some of you are wondering what the G limitations are on my
> plane? Back in the mid 1970's an engineer from General Dynamics did the
> calculations for us. His name was Bud Evans. His name may be familiar to
> so of you old timers. He is the guy that designed the Volksplane one and
> two. He was very well qualified to do the math. Anyway to the point. the
> documents I have from him say the plane is good for 4.2 G's. He even told
> us where it would fail if it did. Yes I do need be nice and handle the
> plane gently. The good part is that the plane is so draggy that it doesn't
> pick up much speed during the descents making it easy to not overload the
> thing.
>
> Attached is a naked pic of the fuse.
>
> Please feel free to ask more questions. I would like you all to
> understand that I am very much in support of the Piet and the community. I
> don't pretend that mine is a Piet, it very much looks like one from 100
> feet. It is supposed to. Piets are cool. I just happen to have one of the
> most different snowflakes from the rest.
>
> Cheers all, More later,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437481#437481
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_117_140.jpg
>
>
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| From: | goffelectric(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics |
Unbelievably cool! Thanks for sharing the info and video.
Keith goff
----- Original Message -----
From: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics
Hello Fellow Pieters,
Well Like I said, I have nothing to hide except the fear that you guys may want
to ban me from the Piet list now. :) Where do I start? How about the use of
the word Certified? I used the term very loosely when I made my last entry.
I should better explain. "Aerobatics" are authorized on my "Operating Limitations"
for "one" person only. It is on the limitations the way it is because
it was done in 1972. Today it is done through a logbook entry. The test pilot
today just states that certain maneuvers have been demonstrated and are safe
to perform. Back in 1972 the maneuvers had to be performed in view of the FAA
person who issued the "Operating Limitations". Mine were so demonstrated. Loops,
Rolls, Stalls, Spins, Hammerheads etc. All positive G's.
The question about the parachute. I can legally fly and do aerobatics without a
chute if I am by myself. If I had a passenger, both persons would need to wear
a chute. Now we all know that there simply is not any room in a Piet for a
chute. This is true with my plane too, so yes I do the aerobatics without one.
I quit doing loops about 15 years ago because the pull up in the beginning
of the loop induced a fare amount of G's to get the plane over the top of the
loop. So now if I want the feeling of the loop I just do a split S. I can do
that and keep the plane under 2-G's safely. Why load the plane up if I don't
need to? Yes the barrel only puts a little more than 1-G on the plane.
Okay, so now on to the air-frame differences. I admit that it looks like a Piet
but under the fabric, it is not. I have a steel tube fuselage. It is not the
fuse on the Pietenpol drawings. The dimensions are the same as the Piet but
the structure is not. I have a lot more tubing in mine. I also have steel
tail feathers. The wing is also different hence the bigger ailerons. The wings
were actually built to the "REED" Clipped wing drawings for the J-3 cub. These
are the wings that allow the guys to do acro in the cubs. So the wing is
a proven acro wing. I only have a 27 foot wing span, this make the ailerons
look huge.
This is only a brief description of the big differences and it will only cause
more questions, but that is okay with me. Like you guys, I like talking about
my plane.
So I'm sure some of you are wondering what the G limitations are on my plane?
Back in the mid 1970's an engineer from General Dynamics did the calculations
for us. His name was Bud Evans. His name may be familiar to so of you old timers.
He is the guy that designed the Volksplane one and two. He was very well
qualified to do the math. Anyway to the point. the documents I have from him
say the plane is good for 4.2 G's. He even told us where it would fail if
it did. Yes I do need be nice and handle the plane gently. The good part is
that the plane is so draggy that it doesn't pick up much speed during the descents
making it easy to not overload the thing.
Attached is a naked pic of the fuse.
Please feel free to ask more questions. I would like you all to understand that
I am very much in support of the Piet and the community. I don't pretend that
mine is a Piet, it very much looks like one from 100 feet. It is supposed
to. Piets are cool. I just happen to have one of the most different snowflakes
from the rest.
Cheers all, More later,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
John,
I am sure the people who wrote those comments are nice guys, but they are also
full of crap. Airplane building is a serious subject, and people who spread old
wives tales and BS are an impediment to learning, progress and safety. We would
be better off if people like that resisted offering bogus advice, but since
this will never happen, I implore builder who's goal is to learn build and fly
to stop taking advice from people who spread myths.
.
If you drive a car with a manual transmission, you use both hands and both feet
for different operations, so the comment about using a tig pedal is ignorant.
You also need to use both feet to fly a Piet or a Hatz, so that guy shouldn't
be building either.
.
If you look at the top photo here : http://flycorvair.net/2014/01/21/risk-management-reference-page/ you will see a picture of Robert Bean, my personal mentor is welding, finest welder I ever met, Worked for the USAF and Johnson Controls at the cape. Finest human being I will likely ever meet in aviation. Killed in a weather related Glassair III crash. I would gladly shave 10 years off my life to add another week to his. Of all the friends I have lost in accidents, loosing Bob is the only one I have not learned to cope with.
.
Bob Bean of closing gaps with a tig welder, when people said the myth you have
to have close fits : "If an grown man can step across it without a running start,
I can weld it shut"
.
I have been tig welding for 20 years, and gas welding for 15 before that. I can
close any gap with a tig welder easier than I can with a gas welder, period.
With tig you can much more effectively throttle the heat, and not melt the edge
away. When trying to do this with gas, amateurs are always pulling the torch
away, and exposing the red hot metal to ambient air, allowing it to oxidize and
murdering its potential strength. With tig the post fly keeps the weld bathed
even if the weld stops.
.
The comments on heat affected zone are BS also, as well as the comments about needing
to normalize tig welds. All of this has been disproven with extensive industry
testing. Real welders working on aerobatic planes use specific rod and
techniques that need no heat treatment. Go to the SPA panther website and look
that they have made about 30 very complex aerobatic fuselages this year. Their
primary to welders are Vern (from my last post) and Travis. Dan Weseman is
a very good welder himself, and he extensively researched the finest details of
the welds for his design. It is all done with Lincoln 225's with micro start
ER-60 rod and no post weld heating.
.
The very concept of gas welding being 'forgiving' is a joke. I have seen more screwed
up gas welds on homebuilts than tig. I have heard every stupid comment
like "These welds are like a gorilla, ugly but strong." If it looks poor, it is,
period. Gas welding is the subject I taught at Riddle. The A&P students in
1992-95 were required to spend 120 hours in the lab with a torch in their hand.
They got pretty good, but the average age was 20, the eyesight was good, and
the concentration was good. The problem with gas welding today is the same as
tailwheels, the lack of good first hand instruction available. The EAA workshops
were taught by Earl Luce, who is good, but 3 days isn't anything but an introduction.
.
A Positive Idea: Go to Oshkosh, and politely spend several days with instructors
there, they are very good. My Booth is 616 every year, and for the last 18 years
I have given Corvair forums right next to the welders. I park in lot W right
behind them. Every day on the way out I spend a bit of time with the Lincoln
staff. First class people there to share a skill. Yet 50% of the people in
the 100 seats are stupidly and rudely staring at their smart phones while these
guys teach. Lincoln provides an excellent base group of literature in a convenient
red bag....at the end of the demonstration, the people who yammered on
their smart phones often wander off like distracted cows leaving the bag where
ever it fell off their laps, to wander off and shove a brat into their faces.
The instructors are to nice to say much, but if anyone shows up who genuinely
wants to LEARN, they will bend over backwards to help that guy. Suggestion: just
show up and learn, and don't repeat old wives tails about required close fits,
just learn.-ww.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Funny Marcus
Worth mentioning, the 4.2 G limit is at gross weight, 1175 lbs. I typically weigh
950 lbs when I goof off. Extra safety factor there.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Wow, Scott!
You say that you typically weigh 950 pounds, and you can still get into a Pietenpol.
Amazing. imagine how the plane would perform if you were of average weight.
:)
BC
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics |
I told you that Scott's not your normal Piet pilot...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics
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Wow, Scott!
You say that you typically weigh 950 pounds, and you can still get into a
Pietenpol. Amazing. imagine how the plane would perform if you were of
average weight. :)
BC
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| From: | "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics |
That's so true Gary! He is a darn nice guy and someone who will offer a
ride to any builder/flyer/prospective builder/interested party. You should
all come the West Coast Pietenpol Fly-in and meet him and see his plane.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:00 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics
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I told you that Scott's not your normal Piet pilot...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics
-->
Wow, Scott!
You say that you typically weigh 950 pounds, and you can still get into a
Pietenpol. Amazing. imagine how the plane would perform if you were of
average weight. :)
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics |
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
I agree with Chris! Come to the West Coast Pietenpol Fly In this June. Meet
fabulous Pietenpol personalities such as Scott Liefeld, Chris Tracy, Gary Booth
and many more! Frazier Lake Airpark 1C9 June 6-7 2015.
Mike Groah
414MV
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 22, 2015, at 7:21 PM, "CatDesigns" wrote:
>
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> That's so true Gary! He is a darn nice guy and someone who will offer a
> ride to any builder/flyer/prospective builder/interested party. You should
> all come the West Coast Pietenpol Fly-in and meet him and see his plane.
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestcoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:00 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics
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> I told you that Scott's not your normal Piet pilot...
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:53 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics
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> Wow, Scott!
> You say that you typically weigh 950 pounds, and you can still get into a
> Pietenpol. Amazing. imagine how the plane would perform if you were of
> average weight. :)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Scott,
What is your empty weight? Just curious.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College 32 - San Marcos Texas |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Builders,
We are now in the last 24 hours to sign up for Corvair College #32 with local hosts
Kevin and Shelley in Texas. The link is on Shelley's original post above.
.
You do not need an engine, nor a manual, or even a project in your shop to attend. Every college has a number of people who are on a recon run, to get a look at it for themselves. If you would like to see a 7 minute film made about the Colleges by the EAA staff, look at this http://flycorvair.net/2014/11/06/new-eaa-video-on-corvair-college27-barnwell-2013/
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If you are new to homebuilding and have yet to find the practical support from fellow builders that everyone needs to make progress on their project, consider heading to the college, many builders on this list will tell you that they found their home in homebuilding with Corvair builders because of the ethic of the movement where the successful builders return to the colleges to directly assist the next wave of builders. If you want to make 2015 your year in aviation CC#32 is a great place to start. You can look at this link to last years Texas college and see many Piet builders making progress http://flycorvair.net/2014/03/13/corvair-college-28-san-marcos-texas/
Today is the last day to put yourself in this years photo.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Thanks Scott neat stuff! Looks a little bit like a Baking Duce, a design I considered
before the Piet...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:27 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:
>
>
> Hello Fellow Pieters,
>
> Well Like I said, I have nothing to hide except the fear that you guys may want
to ban me from the Piet list now. :) Where do I start? How about the use
of the word Certified? I used the term very loosely when I made my last entry.
I should better explain. "Aerobatics" are authorized on my "Operating Limitations"
for "one" person only. It is on the limitations the way it is because
it was done in 1972. Today it is done through a logbook entry. The test pilot
today just states that certain maneuvers have been demonstrated and are safe
to perform. Back in 1972 the maneuvers had to be performed in view of the
FAA person who issued the "Operating Limitations". Mine were so demonstrated.
Loops, Rolls, Stalls, Spins, Hammerheads etc. All positive G's.
>
> The question about the parachute. I can legally fly and do aerobatics without
a chute if I am by myself. If I had a passenger, both persons would need to
wear a chute. Now we all know that there simply is not any room in a Piet for
a chute. This is true with my plane too, so yes I do the aerobatics without one.
I quit doing loops about 15 years ago because the pull up in the beginning
of the loop induced a fare amount of G's to get the plane over the top of the
loop. So now if I want the feeling of the loop I just do a split S. I can
do that and keep the plane under 2-G's safely. Why load the plane up if I don't
need to? Yes the barrel only puts a little more than 1-G on the plane.
>
> Okay, so now on to the air-frame differences. I admit that it looks like a Piet
but under the fabric, it is not. I have a steel tube fuselage. It is not
the fuse on the Pietenpol drawings. The dimensions are the same as the Piet but
the structure is not. I have a lot more tubing in mine. I also have steel
tail feathers. The wing is also different hence the bigger ailerons. The wings
were actually built to the "REED" Clipped wing drawings for the J-3 cub.
These are the wings that allow the guys to do acro in the cubs. So the wing
is a proven acro wing. I only have a 27 foot wing span, this make the ailerons
look huge.
>
> This is only a brief description of the big differences and it will only cause
more questions, but that is okay with me. Like you guys, I like talking about
my plane.
>
> So I'm sure some of you are wondering what the G limitations are on my plane?
Back in the mid 1970's an engineer from General Dynamics did the calculations
for us. His name was Bud Evans. His name may be familiar to so of you old
timers. He is the guy that designed the Volksplane one and two. He was very well
qualified to do the math. Anyway to the point. the documents I have from
him say the plane is good for 4.2 G's. He even told us where it would fail if
it did. Yes I do need be nice and handle the plane gently. The good part is
that the plane is so draggy that it doesn't pick up much speed during the descents
making it easy to not overload the thing.
>
> Attached is a naked pic of the fuse.
>
> Please feel free to ask more questions. I would like you all to understand that
I am very much in support of the Piet and the community. I don't pretend
that mine is a Piet, it very much looks like one from 100 feet. It is supposed
to. Piets are cool. I just happen to have one of the most different snowflakes
from the rest.
>
> Cheers all, More later,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437481#437481
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_117_140.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Anyone here planning on coming? The hostess and a few guys from the woodworking
machine crowd who bring brats, pots of chili, Dutch oven cobbler supplies, breakfast
stuff, etc. are just looking for the most accurate guesstimate possible.
Either reply here, pm or email at n0kkj(at)yahoo.com.
Physical address is 335 castlerock ln, chickamauga ga 30707
If you're bringing a plane or project mention that too. Don't figure there'll
be many planes so might be able to get them all under cover. Also, large commercial
hangar and self serve fuel available at 9a5, ten minute flight south.
I'd bet the hangar is ten bucks a night.
Tools
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| Subject: | first air camper year |
| From: | "wheelharp" <wheelharp(at)gmail.com> |
It will be a long time away, but just for fun, I am thinking of possible paint
scheme numbers. I have seen people use the year 1928 in reference to the Piet,
but I would like to use 1927...the year my dad was born, and Lindbergh crossing.
I am confused on the history...Wikipedia shows first flight in 1928, but BHP family
website shows '27 for model T engine, and '29 for model A. Here is text copied
from there-
Finally, on September 1st, 1927, Bernard and Don Finke successes fully flew their
new design. It was powered by an aluminum 16-value Model T engine (ironically
called "the Ace" conversion) developed by Horace Keane. At 30 horsepower, it
was capable of getting two men into the air and safely back on the ground. It
was a step in the right direction, but still Bernard believed it needed additional
power.
By now Henry Ford had come out with his new car, the Model A, powered by a bigger
four cylinder engine. At an estimated 40 horsepower, this engine seemed just
the thing for Bernard Pietenpol's new aircraft design's needs, and having been
on the market for several years, junk yards were starting to get as many of
them as Model T engines.
So Bernard Pietenpol went to work converting the Ford Model A engine for his new
monoplane. In May 1929 Bernard Pietenpol test flew his Air Camper with the new
engine.
Any thoughts on this? I tried archives, and call me lazy, but I gave up a few topics
into the 50,092 returns I got :)
--------
Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | A little Pietnepol history from Grant MacLaren |
Jon,
I say you should use whatever N-number you like best and I think it would be a
great tribute to your Dad if you end up chosing your Dad's
year of birth but for a little background, this video by former Pietenpol newsletter
editor Grant MacLaren gives a little background on how
all this got started. The Ace Job single-seater was Bernard's first monoplane
and he and Don Finke flew this (a lot) in 1928. You're correct
on the two-seat design that first flew in 1929 with the Ford engine.
Mike C.
Ohio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Ch9QhwyBY (4:18 long)
I just did a quick N-number search and N1927JJ is available.
http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*193800885!_h-www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/search_nnr.html
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Bill,
After I hit the submit button I realized I left my self open for your comment.
I do that a lot.
Terry,
My planes empty weight when it was born in 1972 was a wopping 600 lbs.
My planes empty weight in March 2001 after I rebuilt it is 670 lbs. I can account
for nearly every pound added over the years. A lot of it is paint. Then
a bunch of other stuff over the years. My seat is a little heavier but it is
sure comfortable. I have a radio and a much bigger tail wheel and a glider tow
hook. Just a bunch of stuff that adds up.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: first air camper year |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Mine is NX1929T...
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Jan 23, 2015, at 12:57 PM, "wheelharp" wrote:
>
>
> It will be a long time away, but just for fun, I am thinking of possible paint
scheme numbers. I have seen people use the year 1928 in reference to the Piet,
but I would like to use 1927...the year my dad was born, and Lindbergh crossing.
>
> I am confused on the history...Wikipedia shows first flight in 1928, but BHP
family website shows '27 for model T engine, and '29 for model A. Here is text
copied from there-
>
> Finally, on September 1st, 1927, Bernard and Don Finke successes fully flew their
new design. It was powered by an aluminum 16-value Model T engine (ironically
called "the Ace" conversion) developed by Horace Keane. At 30 horsepower,
it was capable of getting two men into the air and safely back on the ground.
It was a step in the right direction, but still Bernard believed it needed additional
power.
>
> By now Henry Ford had come out with his new car, the Model A, powered by a bigger
four cylinder engine. At an estimated 40 horsepower, this engine seemed just
the thing for Bernard Pietenpol's new aircraft design's needs, and having
been on the market for several years, junk yards were starting to get as many
of them as Model T engines.
>
> So Bernard Pietenpol went to work converting the Ford Model A engine for his
new monoplane. In May 1929 Bernard Pietenpol test flew his Air Camper with the
new engine.
>
> Any thoughts on this? I tried archives, and call me lazy, but I gave up a few
topics into the 50,092 returns I got :)
>
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> Jon Jones
> Ironton, MO
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| From: | Mike Nipp <mikenipp(at)gmail.com> |
It's seems like these discussions always turn into a China vs USA debate.
I wasn't asking about brands. ( I have a Miller 211). I was just wondering wether
a Tig or Mig process would be better suited to building a Piet. It seems like
all the fittings are made from steel as far as I can tell. I was thinking a
Mig welder would be fine putting these parts together.
I understand a TIG welder would probably have better looking welds because of the
better control.
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| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Mike,
If you own a great tig welder, and know how to use it, I don't understand what
would be the consideration for making any Piet part with a mig welder.
.
I have all kinds of welders in my hangar, there is a steel tube fuselage for a Piet out there right now, I have welded several others and made several dozen mounts, a pile of gear legs, fittings and stainless exhausts : http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/08/pietenpol-products-motor-mounts-gear-and-instalation-components/ and I would not chose a mig to make any of it if Tig was readily available
.
I am tired right now, but I can not think of a single welded aluminum structural
fitting on a light plane. Even aluminum lift struts on certified planes have
bolt in fittings. There is probably an exception to this, but for the most part
welding fittings on light planes are steel.
.
Although you might not like it, making builders aware that they need to be vigilant around Chinese products for flying is important. This isn't abstract political bashing from me because they are a giant police state. It is first hand, real world observation. Get a look at this http://flycorvair.net/2012/01/15/chinese-crankshafts/
I am not going to apologize for reminding builders to be vigilant, especially when
the distributor goes out of their way to obscure the origins of the part.
-ww.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Mr. Eagle,
I have to agree that Facebook and more modern discussion formats do drain off many
contributors. On the FB pages you can click on a link and see who is a reader,
and it is easy to see that many people belong to all lists, not just one,
but the formats like FB generate more comments and there are advantages with
photos and links. I personally like the idea that every person commenting has
a name and identity. It works both ways, I think readers give the benefit of the
doubt on ambiguous comments if they can click on the commenters name and instantly
see something about them.
.
The Matroics/zenith list was at one time one of the most active matronics groups.
Today it is essentially dead, it was not displaced by FB, it was done entirely
by "Zenith builders and flyers", the factory run group that works much like
FB. It was only created after many people made repeated attemps to get Matt
Draile to reveal the identity of hyper anti-zenith commentators, suspected to
be other kit makers. In the free market of places for builders to spend their
hours, the only valid test, matronics lost.
.
In the final measure, matronics, FB or any other format will never compete with
hanging out with friends at a small airport on a sunny day. Neither should it
be a large alternative to enjoying hours in the shop working on you own plane,
with your tools, your hands, your thoughts. Just speaking of communications,
newsletters, websites groups, their lasting value to a builder is Content. People
looking for entertainment or validation have different criterion, but those
with the goal learn build and fly are in need of proven content, and they
understand that it will frequently be revealed in non-entertaining presentations
like debate and posts longer than a bumper sticker.
,
For a final note on how it is the understanding of builders that matters, not the
format, follow this: On one of the Face Book Pietenpol pages, a person shared
a single photo of a small single seat biplane called a "Roe Sport" which absolutely
is a magnificent piece of work with pure Pietenpol DNA, beautifully proportioned.
It generated 21 comments about it, including a lot of negative, completely
unfounded criticism, claims it was a copy of a Gere (it isn't) and including
one person who made a big point that it shouldn't be allowed to be called
a Pietenpol, something the builder never did.
.
Twenty one comments about a man's beautiful work, not all of them pleasant. NOT
ONE single one of them knew /mentioned / cared Roe built this whole plane by
himself 25 years ago, alone, while he was trapped in a WHEELCHAIR, all for the
love of creating a plane as he saw fit, one he would never fly in. It does not
matter how good the software is, or how glossy the newsletter, or how well bound
the book is; if it does not include the acknowledgement that a man confined
to a wheelchair, who has the will to wake up every day and struggle for years
to build his own design is beyond the comments of critics, then it isn't worth
reading.-ww.
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| Subject: | Work list for this weekend |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
On my list for this weekend.
install front shoulder harness attach and burn cut ends on harness. (15 min)
Make another run at painting my access covers.
Take Dykes and cut ends on cotterkeys and dress up cotterkeys (15 min)
Attach the cockpit carb heat control (20 MIN)
Install my data plate 15 min
Make and mount Wing tank Cover (3 hours+ Not including bringing home and
priming, painting and reinstalling).
Reinstall belly panel (5 min)
Make Small side panel (1 hour not including prime paint and reinstall)
Screw in rear seat..
I will also get some work done on the tail.
If I get most of this done I will be happy. I am also tasked with Smoking a
chicken and several honey dos.
Now y'all get to work on your planes.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: UPDATE ON GARDINER MASON |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
That's great to hear! Thanks for the update!
Tools
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| Subject: | Data Plate and airworthiness certificate |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
What is the conventional, and unconventional wisdom on where to attach the
data plate and airworthiness certificate?
The FAA says "The ID plate must be secured to the aircraft fuselage
exterior so it is legible to a person on the ground. "Cessna's have them
under the horizontal stab on the left side. My Vtail has it mounted on the
fuel pump cover inside the cockpit on the floor. The cover is held by about
6 screws. Visible from the outside (if you know what you are looking at),
but not legible. It has passed muster for 68 years.I am thinking about on
the front instrument panel, or on the sidewall inside in the rear cockpit.
The Airworthiness certificate must be visible to the crew or passengers.
On my Vtail it is in the rear of the baggage area Very visible as people
get in and from the outside. I am thinking about somewhere under the
instrument panel on the side walls or even on the front wall under the
panel. Between my feet.
What have y'all done and why? (I have searched the archives)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College 32 - San Marcos Texas |
| From: | "nippaero" <mikenipp(at)gmail.com> |
William Wynne wrote:
> Builders,
> You do not need an engine, nor a manual, or even a project in your shop to attend. Every college has a number of people who are on a recon run, to get a look at it for themselves. If you would like to see a 7 minute film made about the Colleges by the EAA staff, look at this http://flycorvair.net/2014/11/06/new-eaa-video-on-corvair-college27-barnwell-2013/
>
Thats a great video. I hadn't seen that one before. I picked up one of your conversion
manuals a few years ago at OSH. I hope to attend a Corsair College someday!
Mike
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Jerry Dotson's post |
I completely yield to the gentleman from Florida! Very good post Jerry and keeping
it positive is the way to go. This list has
been a great source for information and thru this list and the gatherings at Brodhead
I've been blessed with some of the best
nuckleheaded friends a man could ever ask for-----lifelong friendships from 2,
3, 7 states away!
I don't mind answering or helping anyone if I can, even if I've posted the same
sketch or drawing 18 times before. Funny how we
can pass the torch like we do and we can trace (as you did in your post) how we
got into this world. I had a friend from high school,
equally nuts about aviation. Art (now a United pilot) went to college with a guy
named Frank. Art says, "you gotta see this plane my
buddy at college built with his Dad." Art's friend was Frank Pavliga and Art
was kind enough to introduce me to Frank one day.
I found out that Frank was as sick as I am and we quickly became friends. Airplanes
aside, I ended up not talking Frank out of it on
the altar one day and was his best man at his wedding.
Let's keep passing this Pietenpol torch. What a great little airplane. You know
one of the things I totally love about this plane? Kids
at fly-in's and air shows can see over the rear cockpit without any trouble.
So cool. Simple, but means a lot. Those memories might
just spark that kid into going into aviation someday.
Mike C.
Ohio
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Data Plate and airworthiness certificate |
Steve, I put mine in the rear cockpit on the right side wall, under the
upper longeron. It is readily visible while standing outside the rear
cockpit.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
Dortch
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 12:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate
What is the conventional, and unconventional wisdom on where to attach
the data plate and airworthiness certificate?
The FAA says "The ID plate must be secured to the aircraft fuselage
exterior so it is legible to a person on the ground. "Cessna's have them
under the horizontal stab on the left side. My Vtail has it mounted on
the fuel pump cover inside the cockpit on the floor. The cover is held
by about 6 screws. Visible from the outside (if you know what you are
looking at), but not legible. It has passed muster for 68 years.I am
thinking about on the front instrument panel, or on the sidewall inside
in the rear cockpit.
The Airworthiness certificate must be visible to the crew or passengers.
On my Vtail it is in the rear of the baggage area Very visible as
people get in and from the outside. I am thinking about somewhere under
the instrument panel on the side walls or even on the front wall under
the panel. Between my feet.
What have y'all done and why? (I have searched the archives)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: UPDATE ON GARDINER MASON |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Jerry,
You are a good man for being concerned about G. Lion Mason, and checking in. You
guys probably missed this, but Gardiner wrote into this list 72 hours ago on
the story of continental parts for sale. He is here and on duty, and I am guessing
reading this thread with a smile thinking "reports of my demise may be premature"
.
A number of us on the Corvair side have been kept informed by Terry Hand. He lives
near Gardiner and shares the USMC / Delta pilot connections. A number of months
back Terry picked up Gardiners Corvair after he opted to a Continental 85,
and Terry had kept us informed under the radar of Gardiner's good progress.
.
For Piet builders who are yet to meet him, he is a genuine character. He came to a number of Colleges and flew in to several of the Barnwell events. He had the misfortune of having his bird on the very bottom of the 2011 Piet n Pile at the SnF tornado, but got it back flying with hard work. I have a long story about eyebrow cooling systems on our site centered on Gardiners plane: http://www.flycorvair.com/pietengineissue.html The last four paragraphs are about his life in aviation and how he was down at our place when our neighbors were hosting an Naval Attack pilots reunion, a nice coincidence and how it was great to see Gardiner suddenly in the company of real peers. -ww.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | For your viewing pleasure... |
http://www.youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | For your viewing pleasure... |
<http://youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw> http://youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 6:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
http://www.youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: For your viewing pleasure... |
Gary,
Sure beautiful, nice days huh? Tail covering almost done.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 24, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> http://www.youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
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> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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| From: | CLIF DAWSON <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Aerobatics |
Before or after breakfast?
Clif
Scott,
What is your empty weight? Just curious.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | For your viewing pleasure... |
Nice, Gary. I would have had to do that trip 3 times to get one landing as
good as that one.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
<http://youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw> http://youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 6:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
http://www.youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | For your viewing pleasure... |
Thanks, Jack! I've seen your landings.I know that's a lie. In trying to
assess that approach and landing so that I could do it again someday, it
suddenly occurred to me..It's the white scarf! "Clothes [really do] Make the
Man" - Henri Duvernois.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Philips
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:23 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
Nice, Gary. I would have had to do that trip 3 times to get one landing as
good as that one.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
<http://youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw> http://youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 6:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
http://www.youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | G Bradley Williams <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Work list for this weekend |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Dortch" <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 11:26:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Work list for this weekend
On my list for this weekend.
install front shoulder harness attach and burn cut ends on harness. (15 min
)
Make another run at painting my access covers.
Take Dykes and cut ends on cotterkeys and dress up cotterkeys=C2- (15 min
)
Attach the cockpit carb heat control (20 MIN)
Install my data plate 15 min
Make and mount Wing tank Cover (3 hours+ Not including bringing home and pr
iming, painting and reinstalling).
Reinstall belly panel (5 min)
Make Small side panel (1 hour not including prime paint and reinstall)
Screw in rear seat..
I will also get some work done on the tail.
If I get most of this done I will be happy. I am also tasked with Smoking a
chicken and several honey dos.
Now y'all get to work on your planes.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
===
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| Subject: | Re: Work list for this weekend |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Uh, Steve, what ya gonna do in the back seat? It may be antiquated, but it IS
a family oriented site! Just sayin...
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: For your viewing pleasure... |
| From: | Tony Crawford <tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com> |
Hello All,
I was just wondering if there is any Pietenpol builders in my area? I live
in Northern Alabama near the Tennessee Border.
Tony
tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> Thanks, Jack! I=99ve seen your landingsI know that
=99s a lie. In trying to
> assess that approach and landing so that I could do it again someday, it
> suddenly occurred to me.It=99s the white scarf! =9CC
lothes [really do] Make
> the Man=9D - Henri Duvernois.
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> NX308MB
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack Philips
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:23 AM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
>
>
> Nice, Gary. I would have had to do that trip 3 times to get one landing
> as good as that one.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Gary Boothe
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:35 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
>
>
> http://youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> NX308MB
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Gary Boothe
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2015 6:22 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
>
>
> http://www.youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> NX308MB
>
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List *
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> *http://forums.matronics.com *
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> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution *
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> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List *
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> *http://forums.matronics.com *
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| Subject: | Re: For your viewing pleasure... |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Hi Tony,=0A=0A=0AI am not too far away, in Puryear, TN. I
would be glad to show you my Piet any time just let me
know. How far along are you?=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfie
ld=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Tony Craw
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k! I=99ve seen your landingsI know that=99s a
lie. In trying to assess that approach and landing so tha
t I could do it again someday, it suddenly occurred to me
.It=99s the white scarf! =9CClothes [really do]
Make the Man=9D - Henri Duvernois.=0A =0A=0AGary Boothe=0ANX
308MB=0A=0A =0A=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
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re...=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0ANice, Gary. I would have had to do
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| Subject: | Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Steve,
my data plate is on the forward face of the turtle deck between my shoulder blades.
My airworthiness is on the back side of the front seat back. It is out of
the windy part of the cockpit and protected by rain or morning dew if left outside
at Brodhead.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | what dates for Brodhead 2015? |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
I know the Hatz/Pietenpol gathering is the week before Oshkosh (July 20-26). Does
that mean the main Brodhead event is the weekend of the 18th? Just checking
so I can get the right vacation week. Thanks.
--------
John
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437637#437637
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate |
Steve,
The dataplate on NX18235 was installed on the forward face of the turtledec
k, between my shoulder blades, just like Scott Liefield's.
The DAR said we needed an additional dataplate aft of the cockpit so one wa
s installed on the aft fuselage just below the stabilizer.
The airworthiness certificate is in a ziplock baggie, along with the W&B an
d operating limitations, in the helmet box behind the pilot's back.
It's never been questioned.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Dortch
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 11:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate
What is the conventional, and unconventional wisdom on where to attach th
e data plate and airworthiness certificate?
The FAA says "The ID plate must be secured to the aircraft fuselage exter
ior so it is legible to a person on the ground. "Cessna's have them under t
he horizontal stab on the left side. My Vtail has it mounted on the fuel pu
mp cover inside the cockpit on the floor. The cover is held by about 6 scre
ws. Visible from the outside (if you know what you are looking at), but not
legible. It has passed muster for 68 years.I am thinking about on the fro
nt instrument panel, or on the sidewall inside in the rear cockpit.
The Airworthiness certificate must be visible to the crew or passengers.
On my Vtail it is in the rear of the baggage area Very visible as people g
et in and from the outside. I am thinking about somewhere under the instrum
ent panel on the side walls or even on the front wall under the panel. Betw
een my feet.
What have y'all done and why? (I have searched the archives)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: For your viewing pleasure... |
Gary,
Beautiful landing! Your paint job sure is nice, but even nicer up close and i
n person.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 25, 2015, at 4:22 AM, Jack Philips wrote
:
>
> Nice, Gary. I would have had to do that trip 3 times to get one landing a
s good as that one.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:35 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
>
> http://youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 6:22 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
>
> http://www.youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | For your viewing pleasure... |
Thanks, Ray! That was Landing #79. Feeling more comfortable all the
time
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
Gary,
Beautiful landing! Your paint job sure is nice, but even nicer up close
and in person.
Ray
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 25, 2015, at 4:22 AM, Jack Philips
wrote:
Nice, Gary. I would have had to do that trip 3 times to get one landing
as good as that one.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
<http://youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw> http://youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 6:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
http://www.youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: what dates for Brodhead 2015? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
July 16 - 19, 2015.
http://www.eaa431.org/calendar-of-events/
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437644#437644
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: For your viewing pleasure... |
Wow, I have many hundreds of landings, only an occasional one that good! Onc
e I think I have it figures out, then they are all lousy!
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Thanks, Ray! That was Landing #79. Feeling more comfortable all the time
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:00 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
>
> Gary,
>
> Beautiful landing! Your paint job sure is nice, but even nicer up close an
d in person.
>
> Ray
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 25, 2015, at 4:22 AM, Jack Philips wrote
:
>
> Nice, Gary. I would have had to do that trip 3 times to get one landing a
s good as that one.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:35 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
>
> http://youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 6:22 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: For your viewing pleasure...
>
> http://www.youtu.be/H3aWGxwgSuw
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
I might as well put my 2 cents in. When Blumberg put a picture of his plane in
the Forum I said it was a nice looking plane. He comes back with a caustic reply
that he didn't put his picture in here for compliments. Since then I come to
the conclusion that if you are not in the higher anarchy you are not much welcome.
I know this sounds like sour grapes,but I have talked to other people
and they think so too. It's a bad situation when you go to The Biplan forum and
the people are a lot friendlier. I know there are a lot of good people like
Terry Hand and others who are helpful and fun to talk to.
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Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
| From: | "William Wynne" <WilliamTCA(at)aol.com> |
Mr, Eagle,
Perhaps I should have just said I read the story of Mr. Roe 25 years ago, and even
though I was young and not a particularly thoughtful human, I found it very
moving, and it shaped my understanding of what a homebuilt could mean to the
man who created it. I haven't read the story in 20 years, but it sticks with
me, and I simply wished that some of those 21 people had read it and been moved
like I was.
.
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.
Sometimes I picture the world of experimental aircraft as having separated into
a broad gulf with two shores. On one extreme, you have the very upper management
of EAA, who appear to have lost their way, with people who care nothing for
homebuilts, working out corporate sponsorship arrangements for Airventure, culminating
in things like Pietenpols getting side lined so Piper can showcase
it's crappy light jet.
On the opposite bank, I like to think we have Pietenpol people. Here, people, and character still matter, things are not solely judged on the thickness of the wallet. I started thinking like this after Oshkosh 2002, when after a terrible week, Grace and I drove over to Dave Minsink's and went to Cherry Grove. The story is here: http://flycorvair.net/2013/01/12/cherry-grove-story-part-2/ .
While the 'modern' corporate world of experimentals has drifted away, I would like
to think, that the Pietenpol side of the experimental world, with the patron
saint of homebuilding as our guide and our own set of champions, will be the
keepers of what is good about the brotherhood of homebuilding. Although the
EAA published the story about Roe, with Paul and Jack Cox passed and Mary Jones
out of the day to day, I doubt a single person in the building would remember
the Roe story. I am not mad at them for it, it isn't really their job to, but
I like to think it should be ours. I am not suggesting that every old homebuilt
be venerated by everyone, just that the works that really were a supreme act
of human will, like Roe's, be remembered by say one out of ten of us. That
would be enough.
.
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.
I highly suggest reading the original story. beyond the human element, it might
change your mind about how much Pietenpol the man put in the plane. The wings
were the BHP airfoil scaled 4/5ths, the fuselage layout and the tail identical,
etc.,,,,,,,,,,,When you come right down to it, Only a plane built by the man
himself, like the last original, it really and truly a "Pietenpol" every other
one is an replica, some very close, others not so much, but in each case where
the builder like Roe was truly inspired buy the work of BHP, I don't really
care what they call it. -ww.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
=0AMr. Biplan,=0A=0A=0AFirst off, most people put their name at
the end of their posts so others can politely call them by
name. That's just what we do here in this friendly forum.
Secondly, Douwe Blumberg doesn't have a caustic bone in his
body, so you obviously misunderstood whatever comments he hap
pened to leave. It's (maybe a foreign concept to you) called
"humility". So your conclusion is incorrect. Maybe some so
rt of misdirected envy, do to not being included in the "h
igher anarchy".=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A
=0A=0A(Where is the T.C. when you need him?)=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Origi
nal Message-----=0AFrom: biplan53 <biplan53(at)hotmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol
-list =0ASent: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 12:45
am=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dy
n53(at)hotmail.com>=0A=0AI might as well put my 2 cents in. When
Blumberg put a picture of his plane in =0Athe Forum I said
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to other people and they =0Athink so too. It's a bad situa
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a lot friendlier. I know there are a lot of good people
like Terry =0AHand and others who are helpful and fun to
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| Subject: | Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
Aircraft Data Plate ....
One thing to add, the data plate cannot be Aluminum (stainless steel is the choice
material) and the aircraft information must be stamped into or engraved on
the data plate. This requirement is so the data plate and its information can
be read after being in a fire.
WF2
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
For anyone that's interested, attached is a copy of the inspiring Sport Aviation
article mentioned by William.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march |
| From: | "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com> |
Good Piet folks,
I just have to chime in on toolstock. Search this list and you will find a very
old post from a guy named "tools" offering up his shop to anyone who wanted
to "tinker with his machines". My first thought was the movie Deliverance...I
shuddered to think about a guy from Ohio visiting a guy in Tennessee who posted
on the internet to come on over for the weekend.
A year later I was schooled by Terry Hand and Gardner Mason who were each planning
on attending toolstock '14. I decided to attend. But all this time I'm wondering
who this 'tools' is. Then I learn he is a Delta pilot and good friends
with Terry (Mr. Hand as I call him) also a Delta captain.
We had a great time. I learned how to use a lathe and tried my hand at TIG welding
along with another Piet builder whose name I will omit here (but might have
mentioned above) for what we did to tools poor TIG welder. Here are some other
highlights
Lunch Saturday was pulled pork (from either one of the hogs named bacon and pork
chop) who were both fine and dandy early Friday. Pork Chop (or was it Bacon)
was suddenly very lonely and well behaved.
There is a firing range that I plan on making more use of this year.
If there is a machine made in the world, tools likely has one.
If you are reasonably close to Chattanooga I highly recommend attending. I drove
7 hours each way.
I'm sure Dan will take you up for a Piet ride also.
--------
Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
I have acquired a Smithy lathe/milling combo...Tools could train??? I may
have to visit.
On Jan 26, 2015 10:05 AM, "bdewenter" wrote:
>
> Good Piet folks,
>
> I just have to chime in on toolstock. Search this list and you will find
> a very old post from a guy named "tools" offering up his shop to anyone who
> wanted to "tinker with his machines". My first thought was the movie
> Deliverance...I shuddered to think about a guy from Ohio visiting a guy in
> Tennessee who posted on the internet to come on over for the weekend.
>
> A year later I was schooled by Terry Hand and Gardner Mason who were each
> planning on attending toolstock '14. I decided to attend. But all this
> time I'm wondering who this 'tools' is. Then I learn he is a Delta pilot
> and good friends with Terry (Mr. Hand as I call him) also a Delta captain.
>
> We had a great time. I learned how to use a lathe and tried my hand at
> TIG welding along with another Piet builder whose name I will omit here
> (but might have mentioned above) for what we did to tools poor TIG welder.
> Here are some other highlights
>
> Lunch Saturday was pulled pork (from either one of the hogs named bacon
> and pork chop) who were both fine and dandy early Friday. Pork Chop (or
> was it Bacon) was suddenly very lonely and well behaved.
>
> There is a firing range that I plan on making more use of this year.
>
> If there is a machine made in the world, tools likely has one.
>
> If you are reasonably close to Chattanooga I highly recommend attending.
> I drove 7 hours each way.
>
> I'm sure Dan will take you up for a Piet ride also.
>
> --------
> Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
> Dayton OH
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437653#437653
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I knew I had seen the Roe Sport years ago! Thanks for posting that Bill. Neat
story! I mentioned it on Facebook and I'll say it here too... It is a stunning
and beautiful ship! And he took building an airplane to a new level. Just
not a Pietenpol, that's all. But it is a ship I'd be proud to own and fly!
Very nice.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march |
| From: | "Lorenzo" <larharris2(at)msn.com> |
I'll be there on Sat. Driving from Tellico Plains, TN if anyone wants to share
a ride. Had a blast last year. I'll probably bring a few pieces parts from my
Piet project.
Lorenzo
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| Subject: | Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate |
| From: | airlion2(at)gmail.com |
Scott, I am replacing my corvair with a C 85 and am wondering what kind of performance
you are getting. I hope to be flying by summertime. Thanks, Gardiner
mason.
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:03 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:
>
>
> Steve,
> my data plate is on the forward face of the turtle deck between my shoulder blades.
My airworthiness is on the back side of the front seat back. It is out
of the windy part of the cockpit and protected by rain or morning dew if left
outside at Brodhead.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437635#437635
>
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Got several mills and lathes in operation and would be happy to teach you anything
I can. There will be a number of accomplished machinists there as mentors.
I recommend you bring something along you need machined, or have a project in mind
we might be able to help you with.
You have to be proactive and just ask! It's a hectic weekend... easy to get lost
in the crowd. So don't feel weird about just stepping up and asking. Don't
wait until... there's a slow period, the machine isn't being used, whatever...
just wade into the middle of everything and make yourself known!
If anything around there tickles your fancy and you just want to play with it,
again, just ask. If you see someone struggling, offer to help.
There isn't a schedule of "things", we all just go with the flow.
Hope to see you there!
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate |
| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
Hi Gardiner
Why are you replacing your Corvair engine? I have started on an Aerial, the biplane
version of a pietenpol.
I plan to build a 110 HP WW conversion to power it with. Glen
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 26, 2015, at 9:10 AM, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Scott, I am replacing my corvair with a C 85 and am wondering what kind of performance
you are getting. I hope to be flying by summertime. Thanks, Gardiner
mason.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:03 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:
>>
>>
>> Steve,
>> my data plate is on the forward face of the turtle deck between my shoulder
blades. My airworthiness is on the back side of the front seat back. It is out
of the windy part of the cockpit and protected by rain or morning dew if left
outside at Brodhead.
>>
>> --------
>> Scott Liefeld
>> Flying N11MS since March 1972
>> Steel Tube
>> C-85-12
>> Wire Wheels
>> Brodhead in 1996
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437635#437635
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: For your viewing pleasure... |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Tony,
My piet is over just south of Chart TN. You're welcome to come check it out anytime.
Might want to consider coming to visit the last weekend of Feb, as I'm hosting
an event where there will be a number of Piet builders and flyers. Check out
the Toolstock thread for details.
Tools, 423 580 1383
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| Subject: | Official drink of Pietenpoler's? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Saw this yesterday at a bar. Didn't get a chance to try it though...
Just thought it kind of appropriate!
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Official drink of Pietenpoler's? |
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| Subject: | Re: Official drink of Pietenpoler's? |
| From: | woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
I got some of that as a birthday present last year. The
giver understood the connection. =0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0A=0A=0A=0A-----
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=99 that! It is cold and wet down here in Georgia today.=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Official drink of Pietenpoler's? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Well? Is it any good? Probably get a bottle anyway.
I do love old fashions... A bar up the street from me has a nice old fashioned
menu, one which is rye based (which I think is the original basis anyway), and
got me started drinking rye.
This stuff really peaked my interest.
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| Subject: | Re: Data Plate and airworthiness certificate |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hi Gardiner,
I'm really glad to see you posting again and feeling better.
I love my C-85. I'm not too sure which numbers you would like to see but here
goes. I would like to recommend that you try a 72-42 prop. The 72-44 recommended
for the 85 works good at sea level, but if you fly anywhere in high density
altitude the 42 in pitch is a lot better. The Piet is just too slow and draggy
for the 44 inch prop to work good. The 42 inch also helps with those heavy
passengers if you take them.
My take off roll at sea level, solo and no wind can be as short as 130 feet. At
4,000 feet the take off will be closer to 300 feet. I believe that the rate
of climb difference you will see flying solo will be negligible. Your rate of
climb should be better than mine because of the under-camber wing you have.
Remember that I have a Cub airfoil and I have only a 27' wingspan. My stall and
cruise speeds are higher then yours.
This reminds me, last June while flying home from the Frazier Lake Gathering I
was flying two ship with Mike Groah. He has a Corvair in his. He could out climb
me by a fair amount due to the airfoil and length. Mike's cruise speed was
quite a bit slower then mine too. If I slowed down to where he was flying,
I would slowly start sinking. I kept having to climb back up to his alt.
I guess that I am saying that outright numbers would be impossible to compare.
Here are my numbers anyway. All numbers are MPH.
Stall 40
Cruise between 70 and 90.
Redline is 120.
Cruising at 70 wil get me about 5.4 GPH.
Cruising at 85-90 gets me about 5.7 GPH.
I have never measured the rate of climb but I do know a Corvair powered Piet climbs
better than me.
The rate of descent? Well just throw a brick out and see where you are going to
land. We are equal when it come to this one.
If you want something more specific, maybe I can try to figure that out for you.
I think we are truthfully comparing Oranges and Tangerines. The wing being
the big difference.
Come on out to California and we will go fly mine. See if you like it.
Oh, One more thing. When you do the change, off-set the vertical to the other
side cause the Cont. turns backwards :) when compared to the Corvair.
Does this help?
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Official drink of Pietenpoler's? |
Sounds good to me! Wish it was single malt scotch, instead of rye, but I
like the name!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Where it is cold, rainy and generally nasty today. A good day to try a new
whisky
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official drink of Pietenpoler's?
Saw this yesterday at a bar. Didn't get a chance to try it though...
Just thought it kind of appropriate!
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march |
| From: | Tony Crawford <tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com> |
Hi,
Where is this "Toolstock 2015". 26 February - 1 march??
Tony
Toney Alabama
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Lorenzo wrote:
>
> I'll be there on Sat. Driving from Tellico Plains, TN if anyone wants to
> share a ride. Had a blast last year. I'll probably bring a few pieces parts
> from my Piet project.
>
> Lorenzo
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
335 Castlerock Ln, Chickamauga, GA 30707
Just south of Chart TN.
Call for details if ya want, 423 580 1383
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
Dan you read my comment before I went back and rewrote it. It hit me the wrong
way and I got it off my chest . If Dowe is as good a person as you say he is I
want to be the first to apologize. You or he can call me any time at 318-255-8539
My name is Mike Smith at Ruston La. I don't hide behind a code name. This
is the first time I got into it on a forum.
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Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Hello Mike Smith, =0A=0A=0AWelcome to the Piet list. Everybody
screws up once in a while (ask me how I know). If I ca
n be of any service to you please ask. Look forward to f
uture conversations, and any contributions you can give/take. Ho
pe to meet you in person at Brodhead.=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoen
sloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN =0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFro
m: biplan53 =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Tue, Jan 27, 2015 2:07 am=0ASubject: Pieten
pol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?=0A=0A=0A--> Pieten
pol-List message posted by: "biplan53" =0A=0ADan
you read my comment before I went back and rewrote it.
It hit me the wrong =0Away and I got it off my chest .
If Dowe is as good a person as you say he is I =0Aw
ant to be the first to apologize. You or he can call me
any time at =0A318-255-8539 My name is Mike Smith at Rust
on La. I don't hide behind a code =0Aname. This is the f
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| Subject: | Full size gusset on rib |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Looking at photos, I see some builders have installed a full size gusset on the
outside section of ribs where the wings meet the center section. I don't see
that on the plans. Just checking if it is on the plans and I missed itor perhaps
there's a good reason for full size gussets. Thank you.
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Full size gusset on rib |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hi John,
Most guys will gusset the ribs as you descibed to prevent any crushing effect when
you tighten the fabric. You could add lightning holes to the gussets to save
some weight.
An overly simplified answer, I know.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437706#437706
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| Subject: | Re: Full size gusset on rib |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks! Is it the typical 1/16"mahogany?
--------
John
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Full size gusset on rib |
Ha! You made me look! My plans don't show that either...I must have picked
it up from comments on The List...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 8:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Full size gusset on rib
-->
Hi John,
Most guys will gusset the ribs as you descibed to prevent any crushing
effect when you tighten the fabric. You could add lightning holes to the
gussets to save some weight.
An overly simplified answer, I know.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437706#437706
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| Subject: | Re: Full size gusset on rib |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
That material would work just fine.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437709#437709
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Full size gusset on rib |
Also, having the whole rib gusseted gives you a nice surface to glue the
fabric to, rather than trying to get a good glue job on a 1/4" thick piece
of capstrip. You really should have at least a 1" overlap of fabric onto
wood to get a nice glue joint. As mentioned, the tautening of the fabric
puts a considerable tension on the fabric, and all that tension has to be
resisted by the glue joint on that end rib. You would hate it if two years
after you finished your plane, the fabric started pulling loose on the butt
rib.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Full size gusset on rib
-->
Hi John,
Most guys will gusset the ribs as you descibed to prevent any crushing
effect when you tighten the fabric. You could add lightning holes to the
gussets to save some weight.
An overly simplified answer, I know.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437706#437706
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fastnaught John <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
Hello to all,
Im about to get my airworthiness inspection (Feb. 14th) and have just a few items
to fix. One that perplexes me is how to hold down the flop. Some sort of latching
mechanism is necessary. I have come up with a few ideas but none are really
very good or easy. Im sure some of you have already been there and have some
great ideas. If any of you do have some neat ideas would you please share
them with me.
I appreciate you help.
Thanks,
Jack
N144JF
wire wheels
Model A
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| Subject: | Re: Flop hold down |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack,
I give full credit to P.F. Beck for this design. It cost me a whole nothing.
If you go to the dumpster at the local Home Depot they have the aluminum bands
that go around stacks of lumber. Grab that and cut length as needed. The little
lip has a hole drilled in it and a wood screw is put in the proper position.
The head is ground off with just enough left to use your Phillips head screw
driver to bite. When the flop comes down the metal piece comes down and clips
on the screw head. There is a little spring pressure that keeps it in place. It
works great. I think P.F. Used only one. I am a belt and suspenders guy, so
I put two.
The picture is off the flop upside down, but I hope the picture helps.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Flop hold down |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jack,
I have flown a couple of Piets with the single latch like the one Terry has shown
you. It works very well if you want my vote.
Happy Landings,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437732#437732
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flop hold down |
Congratulations on scheduling your airworthiness inspection.
Ben Charvet
On 1/27/2015 3:40 PM, Fastnaught John wrote:
>
> Hello to all,
> Im about to get my airworthiness inspection (Feb. 14th) and have just a few items
to fix. One that perplexes me is how to hold down the flop. Some sort of
latching mechanism is necessary. I have come up with a few ideas but none are
really very good or easy. Im sure some of you have already been there and have
some great ideas. If any of you do have some neat ideas would you please share
them with me.
> I appreciate you help.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
> N144JF
> wire wheels
> Model A
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Full size gusset on rib |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Thank you all. Just about to make the final ten ribs, which will be the (six) end
ribs and aileron area ribs.
--------
John
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437739#437739
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Got my airline tickets this morning! Arrive Thursday at 7:55...
If anyone is driving up from Atlanta, I'll buy dinner on the way up..
PM me.
Thanks
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks Dan I appreciate it. I will try to stay on target. If I can help call me.
I might not know the answer , but I can find someone who does.
--------
Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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| Subject: | Re: Flop hold down |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Hi Jack,=0A=0A=0ACongrats on your inspection (photos?). This is
what I used. I chose it because I thought it looked Piet-e
n-polish.http://www.rockler.com/classic-oblong-catches-select-finish=0A=0A=0ADan
Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Mess
age-----=0AFrom: Fastnaught John <fastnaught(at)windstream.net>=0ATo: Piete
npol List =0ASent: Tue, Jan 27, 2015
2:41 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Flop hold down=0A=0A=0A--> Pieten
pol-List message posted by: Fastnaught John =0A=0AHello to all,=0AI=99m about to get my airworthiness
inspection (Feb. 14th) and have just a few =0Aitems to fi
x. One that perplexes me is how to hold down the flop. S
ome sort of =0Alatching mechanism is necessary. I have come
up with a few ideas but none are =0Areally very good or
easy. I=99m sure some of you have already been there a
nd have =0Asome great ideas. If any of you do have some
neat ideas would you please share =0Athem with me. =0AI appr
eciate you help.=0AThanks,=0AJack=0A=0AN144JF=0Awire wheels=0AModel A=0A
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| Subject: | My "caustic remark" |
| From: | Douwe <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Dear "biplane 53"
Please accept my sincere apologies for sounding "caustic" when I posted that I
wasn't posting pics for kudos but to encourage. It had previously been subtly
suggested I was doing so.
Sincerely
Douwe
Sent from my iPh
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| Subject: | Re: My "caustic remark" |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Guys, Everyone please keep posting photos. It inspires me to stay at it and
bugs my wife when I make her come look at the photos.
Also, it is a great source of ideas on how others have addressed various
problems. OOPs, I mean opportunities.
Blue Skies,
Steve "I made progress last night" D.
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Rockler-type latches for wing baggage door hold down |
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| From: | goffelectric(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: My "caustic remark" |
I agree photos and videos like Garys are great motivation.
Keith Goff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Dortch" <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:14:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My "caustic remark"
Guys, Everyone please keep posting photos. It inspires me to stay at it and
bugs my wife when I make her come look at the photos.
=C2-
Also, it is a great source of ideas on how others have addressed various pr
oblems. OOPs, I mean opportunities.
=C2-
Blue Skies,
Steve "I made progress last night" D.
===
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| Subject: | Re: My "caustic remark" |
| From: | Tony Crawford <tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com> |
Hi, I'm new to this site. Have my approval from Matt. But I can't find
where these photo's are hiding. The ones on the list are from 2008. Can you
help? I will be starting construction at the end of the month. I have
built a KR-2 and a MINIMAX, and I live in the most northern part of
Alabama. I would like to find builders in my area.Thank You!
Tony
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:46 AM, wrote:
> I agree photos and videos like Garys are great motivation.
> Keith Goff
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Steven Dortch" <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
> *To: *pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:14:03 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: My "caustic remark"
>
> Guys, Everyone please keep posting photos. It inspires me to stay at it
> and bugs my wife when I make her come look at the photos.
>
> Also, it is a great source of ideas on how others have addressed various
> problems. OOPs, I mean opportunities.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve "I made progress last night" D.
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
That's very cool. I notice something in the close up pic of the engine that I
have never noticed before. Maybe others have. I see that Bernard has a "Boot
Cowl" about 4 inch wide on the sides of the fuse right behind the firewall.
That would sure make it easy to work on the rudder pedals. I know others have
put access panels on the belly for this reason. I don't have any plans laying
around and handy. Does this boot cowl show on the plans?
It's funny what we see/notice when looking at old photos.
Thanks for the Pics,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437764#437764
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Those exhaust stacks look familiar!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: BHP Photo
I acquired this photo of Bernard at Pietenpol field and I thought I
would share with the group. From what I understand the picture was
taken the end of June 1974 for a newspaper article. If you search the
N-number in the FAA database you can see the info on the plane.
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: My "caustic remark" |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Tony,
The pics are burried in the different threads. I don't know how you would go find them without reading each thread. But I am not the smartest guy on the computer. If you want pics then go to www.westcoastpiet.com Chris Tracy has put together the best site I have ever seen. It is all Piets. He has preserved history like nobody ever has for any airplane type. Take a look. Many building pics of all kinds there. I do warn you that you will need to go into isolation for a week or two just to absorb a small portion of what is there.
Enjoy,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437766#437766
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| From: | Fastnaught John <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flop hold down |
Dan,
Thanks for the input. Any chance you could take a picture to show how
and where you installed them.
thanks again,
Planning on flying to Brodhead, we=99ll see. Maybe we could hook
up and fly together.
Jack
> On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:04 AM, danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> Congrats on your inspection (photos?). This is what I used. I chose it
because I thought it looked
Piet-en-polish.http://www.rockler.com/classic-oblong-catches-select-finish
>
> Dan Helsper
> Loensloe Airfield
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fastnaught John <fastnaught(at)windstream.net>
> To: Pietenpol List
> Sent: Tue, Jan 27, 2015 2:41 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flop hold down
>
>
>
> Hello to all,
> I=99m about to get my airworthiness inspection (Feb. 14th) and
have just a few
> items to fix. One that perplexes me is how to hold down the flop. Some
sort of
> latching mechanism is necessary. I have come up with a few ideas but
none are
> really very good or easy. I=99m sure some of you have already
been there and have
> some great ideas. If any of you do have some neat ideas would you
please share
> them with me.
> I appreciate you help.
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
> N144JF
> wire wheels
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Gary,
They don't look at all the same to me. Just the fact that there are 3 of them.
Gary, I do however think your exhaust valve will last longer than Bernards due
to them being longer than his. Hey, are you compensating for some "short" falls
here?
OK everyone, I'm only poking fun at Gary. He must need glasses to see the huge
difference. :)
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Flop hold down |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Jack,=0A=0A=0AHere are some pics. Hope this helps.=0A=0A=0ADan Hel
sper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message---
--=0AFrom: Fastnaught John <fastnaught(at)windstream.net>=0ATo: Pietenpol
List =0ASent: Wed, Jan 28, 2015 10:00
am=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop hold down=0A=0A=0ADan,=0AThanks
for the input. Any chance you could take a picture to s
how how and where you installed them.=0Athanks again,=0APlanning
on flying to Brodhead, we=99ll see. Maybe we could hook
up and fly together.=0AJack=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 28, 2015, at 7:04
AM, danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote:=0A=0A=0AHi Jack,=0A=0A=0ACongrats on you
r inspection (photos?). This is what I used. I chose it be
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c-oblong-catches-select-finish=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APur
year, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Fastnaught John
=0ATo: Pietenpol List =0ASent: Tue, Jan 27, 2015 2:41 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List:
stnaught John =0A=0AHello to all,=0AI=99
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
My whole life has been spent compensating for something...usually bad
decisions! Building the Piet was not one of those.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BHP Photo
-->
Gary,
They don't look at all the same to me. Just the fact that there are 3 of
them. Gary, I do however think your exhaust valve will last longer than
Bernards due to them being longer than his. Hey, are you compensating for
some "short" falls here?
OK everyone, I'm only poking fun at Gary. He must need glasses to see the
huge difference. :)
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437767#437767
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| Subject: | Re: My "caustic remark" |
| From: | Tony Crawford <tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com> |
Scott,
Thank You for the quick response. I will check them out. My shop is now
complete and ready for some wood. I have built a KR-2 and a MINIMAX so i'm
hoping this "PIET" will not be to difficult. Thanks again.
Tony
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:52 AM, AircamperN11MS
wrote:
> Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
>
> Tony,
>
> The pics are burried in the different threads. I don't know how you would
> go find them without reading each thread. But I am not the smartest guy on
> the computer. If you want pics then go to www.westcoastpiet.com Chris
> Tracy has put together the best site I have ever seen. It is all Piets.
> He has preserved history like nobody ever has for any airplane type. Take
> a look. Many building pics of all kinds there. I do warn you that you
> will need to go into isolation for a week or two just to absorb a small
> portion of what is there.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437766#437766
>
>
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| Subject: | bent aileron horn |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Ladies and Gentlemen, and Oscar, at some time when N3379 was in storage the
bottom aileron horn was bent sideways. About 20 degrees.
It is similar to the one in the attached photo (taken from the Matronics
archives.) but does not have the 5/8" 16 GA brace.
I cut off the cloth about an inch on either side. I used a set of 4inch
wide nose sheet metal pliers to straighten it up. It seems to be stable
and strong front to rear but it is not near as stable laterally. There do
not appear to be any cracks but it was pinched flat when it was bent.
I intend on taking it off, inspecting it and seeing if I can somehow get
it "unpinched" and more stable.
I will appreciate your opinions and expertise.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: My "caustic remark" |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Tony, et al. I find things in the Matronics archives by doing a google
search that includes matronics, Pietenpol, archvies and what I am looking
for.
Then once I get a hit, I go to that page and hit "control F" and use the
word find function to look for what I want. Also be ready to use different
words.
Be forewarned, You will be pulled off of your search by interesting Piet
things as you go through the archives. I always am.
Even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in a while!,
Steve D
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Tony Crawford wrote:
> Scott,
> Thank You for the quick response. I will check them out. My shop is now
> complete and ready for some wood. I have built a KR-2 and a MINIMAX so i'm
> hoping this "PIET" will not be to difficult. Thanks again.
>
> Tony
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:52 AM, AircamperN11MS
> wrote:
>
>> Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
>>
>> Tony,
>>
>> The pics are burried in the different threads. I don't know how you
>> would go find them without reading each thread. But I am not the smartest
>> guy on the computer. If you want pics then go to www.westcoastpiet.com
>> Chris Tracy has put together the best site I have ever seen. It is all
>> Piets. He has preserved history like nobody ever has for any airplane
>> type. Take a look. Many building pics of all kinds there. I do warn you
>> that you will need to go into isolation for a week or two just to absorb a
>> small portion of what is there.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> --------
>> Scott Liefeld
>> Flying N11MS since March 1972
>> Steel Tube
>> C-85-12
>> Wire Wheels
>> Brodhead in 1996
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437766#437766
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Steve D
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | bent aileron horn |
Steve,
I had a bent horn on the rudder. I removed it, welded another piece
alongside (about =C2=BE as long), and bolted it back in; patched up the
fabric and paint and no one knows but me!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
Dortch
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bent aileron horn
Ladies and Gentlemen, and Oscar, at some time when N3379 was in storage
the bottom aileron horn was bent sideways. About 20 degrees.
It is similar to the one in the attached photo (taken from the Matronics
archives.) but does not have the 5/8" 16 GA brace.
I cut off the cloth about an inch on either side. I used a set of 4inch
wide nose sheet metal pliers to straighten it up. It seems to be stable
and strong front to rear but it is not near as stable laterally. There
do not appear to be any cracks but it was pinched flat when it was bent.
I intend on taking it off, inspecting it and seeing if I can somehow
get it "unpinched" and more stable.
I will appreciate your opinions and expertise.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: My "caustic remark" |
| From: | "biplan53" <biplan53(at)hotmail.com> |
Douwe let me explain myself, I might put too much emphasis on compliments. When
I give a compliment it comes from the heart. Too many people brag on things often
want something in return. The only thing I wanted was to tell you how good
your plane looks. I have many questions about building this plane and every
picture helps answers some of them. I wish there were more pictures of tubing
fuselages on here. Sorry for all the ruckus I stirred up, I felt it was something
I had to get out.
--------
Building steel fuselage aircamper.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437802#437802
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
I never had a bent control horn. They were all made as per drawing with an airfoil
shape form .025 thick sheet. Most of these pictured look like flat stock,
could be the reason they are bending?
WF2
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437805#437805
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Not sure about the others, But mine is the flat airfoil shape and the
hollow airfoil was pinched flat when it was bent.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:45 AM, womenfly2 wrote:
>
> I never had a bent control horn. They were all made as per drawing with an
> airfoil shape form .025 thick sheet. Most of these pictured look like flat
> stock, could be the reason they are bending?
>
> WF2
>
> --------
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437805#437805
>
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
Steve,
Why not just make a new one? Those horns are actually pretty easy to
make and are fun to do.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
Dortch
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn
Not sure about the others, But mine is the flat airfoil shape and the
hollow airfoil was pinched flat when it was bent.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:45 AM, womenfly2 > wrote:
>
I never had a bent control horn. They were all made as per drawing with
an airfoil shape form .025 thick sheet. Most of these pictured look like
flat stock, could be the reason they are bending?
WF2
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437805#437805
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
Steve
Jack P took the words right out of my mouth. Go ahead and build a new
one. That will be one less think to think about when you are flying on a
clear summer day in really bumpy air.
Barry
NX973BP
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Philips
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn
Steve,
Why not just make a new one? Those horns are actually pretty easy to
make and are fun to do.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
Dortch
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn
Not sure about the others, But mine is the flat airfoil shape and the
hollow airfoil was pinched flat when it was bent.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:45 AM, womenfly2
wrote:
I never had a bent control horn. They were all made as per drawing with
an airfoil shape form .025 thick sheet. Most of these pictured look like
flat stock, could be the reason they are bending?
WF2
--------
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437805#437805
br> enpol-List"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
FORUMS -
_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
b Site -
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
Most of these pictured look like flat stock, could be the reason they are
bending?
Mine was built per plans.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of womenfly2
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn
-->
I never had a bent control horn. They were all made as per drawing with an
airfoil shape form .025 thick sheet. Most of these pictured look like flat
stock, could be the reason they are bending?
WF2
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437805#437805
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
The phantom knows!
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 28, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> I had a bent horn on the rudder. I removed it, welded another piece alongs
ide (about =C2=BE as long), and bolted it back in; patched up the fabric and
paint and no one knows but me!
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Dortch
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:18 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: bent aileron horn
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen, and Oscar, at some time when N3379 was in storage th
e bottom aileron horn was bent sideways. About 20 degrees.
>
> It is similar to the one in the attached photo (taken from the Matronics a
rchives.) but does not have the 5/8" 16 GA brace.
>
> I cut off the cloth about an inch on either side. I used a set of 4inch w
ide nose sheet metal pliers to straighten it up. It seems to be stable and s
trong front to rear but it is not near as stable laterally. There do not app
ear to be any cracks but it was pinched flat when it was bent.
>
> I intend on taking it off, inspecting it and seeing if I can somehow get i
t "unpinched" and more stable.
>
> I will appreciate your opinions and expertise.
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
>
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Tony,
You have mention that you have built a KR2 and a Minimax. I think the Piet will
fit right in with your skills. When I was about 11 years old, Dad and I started
building me a KR1. I never completed it. Dad sold it and someone else finished
it. Dad went on and built a KR2 and flew it for 20 years before he busted
it up while landing. He now has a Tri-gear KR2 with a climb prop and no wheel
pants. He flies it as a light sport. He loves it.
I confess that I Googled you name and KR2 and find a guy with your name involved
with speed runs in Tennessee. Is that You?
The KR circle is small much like the Piet circle. Hopefully you can share some
more info about yourself and maybe pics of the two previous planes you built.
To me, it is not only the story of the building process, but the story behind
the person as well. Like Dowue. He is just one example of someone with a great
life story. There are many others on this list with their own personal history
that just amazes me. From all walks of life.
Welcome aboard Tony.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437828#437828
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| From: | Jack <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Flight plan symbol |
Gentlemen,
If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for the type
aircraft?
Thanks,
Jack
Sent from my iPad
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
What's our choices? I haven't filed a flight plan in 22 years. I think I have
forgotten how to. :)
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I haven't filed one in over fifteen! And I've NEVER filed one as a civilian...
Pretty sure dispatch would know what to do! Geesh.
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
What would the Great Waldo Pepper do?
I'll bet Bernard never filed.
All kidding aside, Can't you just say "experimental" and state you speed??????
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I did used the same approach as has been mentioned with the flat spring and
rod.
I found that the one half of the flat spring from an inspection cover worked
well. The rest I did just the same and have seen it used many times
successfully.
As has been mentioned, even without a latch, the flop interestingly only
rises a couple of inches in flight. I'm not suggesting it shouldn't be
latched down, just noting that it doesn't need to be crazy strong.
What DOES happen is you WILL forget to close it when you start the engine
and it will be blown down HARD. Be sure to incorporate some sort of buffer
or it'll start loosening your hinge after a few of those incidents.
Don't ask me how I know!!
Douwe
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| From: | Jack <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Probably could just say experimental on the frequency, but what about filing electronically,
hmmm.
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 5:25 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote:
>
>
> What would the Great Waldo Pepper do?
>
> I'll bet Bernard never filed.
>
> All kidding aside, Can't you just say "experimental" and state you speed??????
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437834#437834
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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| From: | John Letkeman <pilot(at)fehrs.com> |
| Subject: | New Pietenpol owner |
Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a Pietenpol Aircamper
project,
The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it was then
donated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from and trailered
it home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the builder? I plan on
installing an A65 Continental and moving the rudder pedals forward 2" as I'm
6'4", I will try to post some pictures.
John
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
| From: | "pilotjkl" <pilot(at)fehrsmetalbuilding.com> |
Project picture
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437838#437838
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_270.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_203.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
| From: | "pilotjkl" <pilot(at)fehrsmetalbuilding.com> |
Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a Pietenpol Aircamper
project,
The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it was then
donated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from and trailered
it home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the builder? I plan on
installing an A65 Continental and moving the rudder pedals forward 2" as I'm
6'4", I will try to post some pictures.
John
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437839#437839
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Nice project, John! Nearly ready to go...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotjkl
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 3:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
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Project picture
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
| From: | "pilotjkl" <pilot(at)fehrsmetalbuilding.com> |
Yes it is, it's set up for an 0-235 so I will need to move the wing back to compensate
for the lighter A65 engine,
John
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| From: | "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Flight plan symbol |
I'll take a stab at it.
According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably
trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See
http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim0501.
html.8
Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown consult
the FSS briefer".
A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type Designators,
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20Cove
r.pdf
This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a Pietenpol
(look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an
Aerial.
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm
The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work.
If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm
The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
Gentlemen,
If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for the
type aircraft?
Thanks,
Jack
Sent from my iPad
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol owner |
John,
Welcome to our forum. Sounds like you have a great project. How far along is the
project? I'm anxious to see some pictures.
We're really a bunch of nice guys, fear not!
Thanks for joining us, we will learn a lot,
Ray Krause
Building a Sky Scout
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:26 PM, John Letkeman wrote:
>
>
> Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a Pietenpol Aircamper
project,
> The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it was then
donated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from and trailered
it home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the builder? I plan
on installing an A65 Continental and moving the rudder pedals forward 2" as I'm
6'4", I will try to post some pictures.
> John
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Looks like the A-65 hanging from the rafters. But I think you would have a better
ride and look way cooler with that radial out front!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:46 PM, pilotjkl wrote:
>
>
> Project picture
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437838#437838
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_270.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_203.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
| From: | "pilotjkl" <pilot(at)fehrsmetalbuilding.com> |
Yep that's the A65 I plan to use, That Ptatt&Whittney 985 would take care of any
tail heavy issues! Not sure what my DAR will have too say about it being so
far along and me wanting to be the builder.
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol owner |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
John, West Texas is a BIG place. I was born in Spearman Near the Oklahoma
panhandle and lived in El Paso, which is closer to Arizona than to
Oklahoma.
Where are you in that vast expanse?
Note the town of West, Texas is in Central Texas!
Blue Skies,
Steve D
San Antonio.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Ray Krause
wrote:
> raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
>
> John,
>
> Welcome to our forum. Sounds like you have a great project. How far along
> is the project? I'm anxious to see some pictures.
>
> We're really a bunch of nice guys, fear not!
>
> Thanks for joining us, we will learn a lot,
>
> Ray Krause
> Building a Sky Scout
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:26 PM, John Letkeman wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a Pietenpol
> Aircamper project,
> > The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it
> was then donated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from
> and trailered it home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the
> builder? I plan on installing an A65 Continental and moving the rudder
> pedals forward 2" as I'm 6'4", I will try to post some pictures.
> > John
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | John Letkeman <pilot(at)fehrs.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol owner |
I'm in Seminole, 70 miles north of Midland in oil country
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:36 PM, Steven Dortch > wrote:
John, West Texas is a BIG place. I was born in Spearman Near the Oklahoma p
anhandle and lived in El Paso, which is closer to Arizona than to Oklahoma.
Where are you in that vast expanse?
Note the town of West, Texas is in Central Texas!
Blue Skies,
Steve D
San Antonio.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Ray Krause > wrote:
>
John,
Welcome to our forum. Sounds like you have a great project. How far along i
s the project? I'm anxious to see some pictures.
We're really a bunch of nice guys, fear not!
Thanks for joining us, we will learn a lot,
Ray Krause
Building a Sky Scout
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:26 PM, John Letkeman > wrote:
>
to:pilot(at)fehrs.com>>
>
> Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a Pietenpol
Aircamper project,
> The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it was
then donated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from and
trailered it home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the build
er? I plan on installing an A65 Continental and moving the rudder pedals fo
rward 2" as I'm 6'4", I will try to post some pictures.
> John
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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pol-List
FORUMS -
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b Site -
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
With the temps in W Texas - I've spend several summers out there - you might reconsider
and find an O-235 to hang on your airframe. At the density altitudes
you'll encounter, a 65 Hp engine might produce 40 Hp on a hot summers day.
The O-235 would probably give you around 80 Hp, a HUGE improvement over the A-65...
Just my $0.02
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| From: | Fastnaught John <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Chris,
I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge
and run with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I
guess I=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate
what you did.
Thanks,
jack
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns wrote:
>
>
> I'll take a stab at it.
>
> According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably
> trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See
>
http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim050
1.
> html.8
>
>
> Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown
consult
> the FSS briefer".
>
> A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type
Designators,
>
>
>
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20Co
ve
> r.pdf
>
>
> This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a
Pietenpol
> (look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an
> Aerial.
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm
>
> The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work.
>
> If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm
>
> The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestcoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
>
>
> Gentlemen,
> If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use
for the
> type aircraft?
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Flight plan symbol |
Beautiful plane!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Fastnaught John
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
Chris,
I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge
and run with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I
guess I=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate
what you did.
Thanks,
jack
On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns wrote:
I'll take a stab at it.
According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably
trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See
http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim05
01.
html.8
Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown
consult
the FSS briefer".
A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type
Designators,
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20C
ove
r.pdf
This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a
Pietenpol
(look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an
Aerial.
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm
The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work.
If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm
The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
Gentlemen,
If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for
the
type aircraft?
Thanks,
Jack
Sent from my iPad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Flight plan symbol |
Nice airplane Jack. Did you build it? You should send me a bunch of
pictures to put on my website.
Glad I could help
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Fastnaught John
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
Chris,
I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge
and run with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I
guess I=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate
what you did.
Thanks,
jack
On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns > wrote:
>
I'll take a stab at it.
According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably
trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See
http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim05
01.
html.8
Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown
consult
the FSS briefer".
A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type
Designators,
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20C
ove
r.pdf
This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a
Pietenpol
(look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an
Aerial.
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm
The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work.
If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm
The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
>
Gentlemen,
If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for
the
type aircraft?
Thanks,
Jack
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
Wow Jack! Beautiful airplane. You been hold'n back on us!=0A=0A
=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Refurbished Oil Tank For Sale |
Attached are pictures of the long neck Oil tank that I have refurbished myself.
I finished it in a grey primer to keep surface rust off of it. Filler cap needs
new gasket. Inside cleaned as well. I have more pictures/details, so if interested,
please email me direct.
I like to give my fellow Pietenpolers first crack at the items I sell, then its
on to Ebay and the like.
$200.00 + shipping.
Build complete 8/2014
Mike Perez
"If God is your co-pilot...switch seats!"
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just say that
the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to be the only
builder. My Piet and most others have been through several hands before being
completed by the second, third, or more builders. What you're probably saying
is that you probably will not qualify to get the repairman's certificate
for it. That would permit you to do your own condition inspections on it, and
for that you have to convince your DAR that you've done enough of the work on
it that you're so familiar with it that you can inspect it. With the wings
and fuselage covered and painted, I don't think you have much hope of getting
that cert.
You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- Raymond
Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair-powered GN-1.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol owner |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Seminole! SMACK Dab in the middle of West Texas (not the town).
I lived at Biggen Hill airport between Shallowater and Littlefield. My wife
has family in Lubbock and Hobbs.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:41 PM, John Letkeman wrote:
> I'm in Seminole, 70 miles north of Midland in oil country
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:36 PM, Steven Dortch
> wrote:
>
> John, West Texas is a BIG place. I was born in Spearman Near the
> Oklahoma panhandle and lived in El Paso, which is closer to Arizona than to
> Oklahoma.
>
> Where are you in that vast expanse?
>
> Note the town of West, Texas is in Central Texas!
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
> San Antonio.
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Ray Krause
> wrote:
>
>> raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Welcome to our forum. Sounds like you have a great project. How far along
>> is the project? I'm anxious to see some pictures.
>>
>> We're really a bunch of nice guys, fear not!
>>
>> Thanks for joining us, we will learn a lot,
>>
>> Ray Krause
>> Building a Sky Scout
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:26 PM, John Letkeman wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a
>> Pietenpol Aircamper project,
>> > The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it
>> was then donated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from
>> and trailered it home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the
>> builder? I plan on installing an A65 Continental and moving the rudder
>> pedals forward 2" as I'm 6'4", I will try to post some pictures.
>> > John
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Hello John and welcome. I just finished my plane this past summer and at this time,
am not sure when I might get it to a hangar and start some ground work. You
may want to visit this list often as it is quite dynamic and changes quickly.
Even though I may not post, reply or even read all the posts, I stop by daily
to see what the latest topic of interest are.
Build complete 8/2014
Mike Perez
"If God is your co-pilot...switch seats!"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Letkeman <pilot(at)fehrs.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Thank you all for the warm welcome! My mission for the Pietenpol is to keep
it as light and simple as possible, although I will be flying off an airpo
rt with an elevation of 3300ft, during the summer I will only fly in the mo
rnings and evenings, not when its hot and high,
I fly a King Air for a living and have access to a Cessna 170 180hp, so the
Pietenpol will not be my only means of flying,
I love the idea of putting around at 70 mph 500ft agl like its the 1930's w
ith my 10 year old son in the front seat, we plan to fly it to all the loca
l fly-inn's, thank you all for your advice, keep it coming, I'm sure I will
be posting pictures and asking all kinds of questions.
John
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 30, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Michael Perez > wrote:
Hello John and welcome. I just finished my plane this past summer and at th
is time, am not sure when I might get it to a hangar and start some ground
work. You may want to visit this list often as it is quite dynamic and chan
ges quickly. Even though I may not post, reply or even read all the posts,
I stop by daily to see what the latest topic of interest are.
Build complete 8/2014
Mike Perez
"If God is your co-pilot...switch seats!"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Beautiful plane!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:39 PM, Fastnaught John w
rote:
>
> Chris,
> I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge and r
un with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I guess I
=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate what you did.
> Thanks,
> jack
>
>
>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'll take a stab at it.
>>
>> According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably
>> trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See
>> http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim05
01.
>> html.8
>>
>>
>> Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown consu
lt
>> the FSS briefer".
>>
>> A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type Designato
rs,
>>
>>
>> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20C
ove
>> r.pdf
>>
>>
>> This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a Pietenp
ol
>> (look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an
>> Aerial.
>>
>> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm
>>
>> The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work.
>>
>> If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide
>>
>> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm
>>
>> The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA
>>
>>
>> Chris
>> Sacramento, CA
>> WestcoastPiet.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM
>> To: Pietenpol List
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
>>
>>
>> Gentlemen,
>> If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for t
he
>> type aircraft?
>> Thanks,
>> Jack
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Flight plan symbol |
Hi Jack,
As others have said, I rarely ever file a VFR flight plan, especially in my
Pietenpol. I have had to file a flight plan only once, when I flew it into
Dulles International Airport (KIAD). Since Dulles is inside the Washington
SFRA, a flight plan is required. I filed as "Experimental N899JP". When I
called Potomac Tracon on the radio to get my transponder code and clearance
to enter the Class B airspace, I called in as "Pietenpol November X-Ray 899
Juliet Papa".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
Gentlemen,
If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for the
type aircraft?
Thanks,
Jack
Sent from my iPad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Nice looking Pietenpol!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotjkl
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 6:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Altitude at Seminole is 3,300. Density altitude can be a tail kicker. Most
Cubs and Champs in West Texas have been up engined from 65HP to 85, 90 or
100. You might even consider looking at a Corvair for more HP. (You could
trade your 65 for that.)
My 100HP Cessna 150, fully loaded, took a really long time to get out of
ground effect at a 2000 MSL airport and I barely got enough altitude to get
to Lubbock (3000 ft MSL) on a 112 degree day. That got my attention.
Van White, an old aviator at Biggen Hill Airport near Shallowater, told me
that his dad had a model A powered Pietenpol in the 1930s. One day his dad
flew him to visit a farmer friend in anouther county and in the heat of the
afternoon, his dad could not get the plane to fly out of ground effect for
the trip home. His dad ordered 10 year old Van out and told him to
find his own way home and took off. Van said it sure was a long walk to a
road where someone gave him a ride.
John, Do the math and make your own decision. With 65HP you can always fly
early in the day.
I hope to fly my Piet up to the Panhandle someday for a tour, visiting
family and friends, But I only have 65HP so I will probably plan on spring
or fall.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:54 PM, tkreiner wrote:
>
> With the temps in W Texas - I've spend several summers out there - you
> might reconsider and find an O-235 to hang on your airframe. At the
> density altitudes you'll encounter, a 65 Hp engine might produce 40 Hp on
> a hot summers day. The O-235 would probably give you around 80 Hp, a HUGE
> improvement over the A-65...
>
> Just my $0.02
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437852#437852
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Flight plan symbol |
Very looking Pietenpol, Jack. Is that dark green or dark blue? Where
are you located?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Fastnaught John
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
Chris,
I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge
and run with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I
guess I=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate
what you did.
Thanks,
jack
On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns > wrote:
>
I'll take a stab at it.
According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably
trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See
http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim05
01.
html.8
Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown
consult
the FSS briefer".
A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type
Designators,
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20C
ove
r.pdf
This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a
Pietenpol
(look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an
Aerial.
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm
The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work.
If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm
The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
>
Gentlemen,
If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for
the
type aircraft?
Thanks,
Jack
Sent from my iPad
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jack <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Dan,
Thanks, it's due to much help from folks like you.
Jack
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:29 AM, danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Wow Jack! Beautiful airplane. You been hold'n back on us!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Loensloe Airfield
> Puryear, TN
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jack <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Jack,
The green is "Forest green" poly tone, with "Tuscon cream."
Jack
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Jack Philips wrot
e:
>
> Very looking Pietenpol, Jack. Is that dark green or dark blue? Where are
you located?
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fastnaught John
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:40 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
>
> Chris,
> I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge and r
un with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I guess I
=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate what you did.
> Thanks,
> jack
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns wrote:
>
>
> I'll take a stab at it.
>
> According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably
> trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See
> http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim050
1.
> html.8
>
>
> Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown consul
t
> the FSS briefer".
>
> A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type Designator
s,
>
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20Co
ve
> r.pdf
>
>
> This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a Pietenpo
l
> (look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an
> Aerial.
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm
>
> The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work.
>
> If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm
>
> The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestcoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
>
>
> Gentlemen,
> If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for t
he
> type aircraft?
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jack <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Jack,
Sorry I forgot the second question. I'm in Gilbert, SC. It's about 25 miles w
est of Columbia, about center of the state. I live in a fly-in community cal
led Whiteplains plantation ( SC99). Come by and visit anytime.
Jack
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Jack Philips wrot
e:
>
> Very looking Pietenpol, Jack. Is that dark green or dark blue? Where are
you located?
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fastnaught John
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:40 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
>
> Chris,
> I knew there would be someone out there that would take the challenge and r
un with it. And run you did. Thanks for the extensive homework. I guess I
=99ll be filing with HXA due to your research. I appreciate what you did.
> Thanks,
> jack
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:25 PM, CatDesigns wrote:
>
>
> I'll take a stab at it.
>
> According to the FAA's Airman's information manual (AIM) your probably
> trying to fill out box 3 on the flight plan. See
> http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/AIM/aim0501.html#aim050
1.
> html.8
>
>
> Box 3 is to contain "the designator for the aircraft, or if unknown consul
t
> the FSS briefer".
>
> A little more sleuthing found this publication of Aircraft Type Designator
s,
>
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/Basic%20Order%20Co
ve
> r.pdf
>
>
> This is the page for P-manufactures and low and behold there is a Pietenpo
l
> (look way down the list)but it has the wrong name of the airplane, an
> Aerial.
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-2-p.htm
>
> The designator for this airplane is PARL. I'd bet this will work.
>
> If however you want to be more precise use this as a guide
>
> https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/CNT/5-3.htm
>
> The designator for a Pietenpol would be a HXA
>
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestcoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:40 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flight plan symbol
>
>
> Gentlemen,
> If and when you were to file a flight plan (LOL), what would you use for t
he
> type aircraft?
> Thanks,
> Jack
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Letkeman <pilot(at)fehrs.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Steve, Thanks for your help on this matter, I have never flown a Pietenpol
but have owned a Champ 7AC with the A65 and was very satisfied with the per
formance and it was a 760lbs airplane, I know that the Champ has a larger w
ing but it also is100+lbs heavier than the Pietenpol, maybe you or someone
else on this forum has experience in both the Pietenpol A65 and Champ A65 a
nd would be willing to give a comparison.
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 30, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Steven Dortch > wrote:
Altitude at Seminole is 3,300. Density altitude can be a tail kicker. Most
Cubs and Champs in West Texas have been up engined from 65HP to 85, 90 or 1
00. You might even consider looking at a Corvair for more HP. (You could tr
ade your 65 for that.)
My 100HP Cessna 150, fully loaded, took a really long time to get out of gr
ound effect at a 2000 MSL airport and I barely got enough altitude to get t
o Lubbock (3000 ft MSL) on a 112 degree day. That got my attention.
Van White, an old aviator at Biggen Hill Airport near Shallowater, told me
that his dad had a model A powered Pietenpol in the 1930s. One day his dad
flew him to visit a farmer friend in anouther county and in the heat of the
afternoon, his dad could not get the plane to fly out of ground effect for
the trip home. His dad ordered 10 year old Van out and told him to find hi
s own way home and took off. Van said it sure was a long walk to a road whe
re someone gave him a ride.
John, Do the math and make your own decision. With 65HP you can always fly
early in the day.
I hope to fly my Piet up to the Panhandle someday for a tour, visiting fami
ly and friends, But I only have 65HP so I will probably plan on spring or f
all.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:54 PM, tkreiner > wrote:
:tkreiner(at)gmail.com>>
With the temps in W Texas - I've spend several summers out there - you migh
t reconsider and find an O-235 to hang on your airframe. At the density al
titudes you'll encounter, a 65 Hp engine might produce 40 Hp on a hot summ
ers day. The O-235 would probably give you around 80 Hp, a HUGE improvemen
t over the A-65...
Just my $0.02
--------
Tom Kreiner
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437852#437852
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Steve D
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Can someone tell me why Jeff Boatright=99s emails show up blank?
He usually has something intelligent to say, and I dislike missing it.
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Boatright, Jeffrey
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Throttle Quadrant Ideas |
Paul,
In the attached, you can see how close the Carb Heat is to the throttle.
With just a little more thought, you could make it side-by-side with the
throttle, too. I have found no reason for a friction lock.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Hey Guys (and a few girls).
im about to fabricate the throttle as per plans and was wondering what folks
have done to incorporate a friction device and carb heat.
i guess the obvious spot for the friction would be at the pivot point, but i
wasnt sure if enough friction could be added at that point to make it
effective.
would like the carb heat along side the throttle to make it a seemless
operation.
any ideas? would like to keep it as original as possible. Paul
_______________
Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| From: | Charles Burkholder <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant Ideas |
Nice Gary. I had the same question as Paul did and just might use yours
as something to go off of. Getting ready to tackle the Piet project
after a 4 month pause while I studied for and trained for my IFR and CPL
licenses.
Charles B
On 1/30/2015 4:39 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> In the attached, you can see how close the Carb Heat is to the
> throttle. With just a little more thought, you could make it
> side-by-side with the throttle, too. I have found no reason for a
> friction lock.
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> NX308MB
>
> |**|
>
> |**|
>
> |*Hey Guys (and a few girls). *|*
> |im about to fabricate the throttle as per plans and was wondering
> what folks have done to incorporate a friction device and carb heat. |
> |i guess the obvious spot for the friction would be at the pivot
> point, but i wasnt sure if enough friction could be added at that
> point to make it effective. |
> |would like the carb heat along side the throttle to |*|*make it a
> seemless operation. *|*
> *|*any ideas? would like to keep it as original as possible.*||*Paul*|
>
>
> _______________
> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
>
>
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
I'm afraid all I said this time was "Piet good! Champ and Cub bad! Uggabugg
a! Harrumph!"
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On Jan 30, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Gary Boothe > wrote:
Can someone tell me why Jeff Boatright=92s emails show up blank? He usually
has something intelligent to say, and I dislike missing it.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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n Behalf Of Boatright, Jeffrey
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| From: | John Letkeman <pilot(at)fehrs.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Thanks for sharing Jeffrey, if I read your post right, I should be more ple
ased with the performance of my Pietenpol A65 then my A65 Champ, even if it
is equal I will be happy with my Pietenpol, one of my goals is to keep it
cheap, I have lots of three A65 engines and lots of parts,
Now I just need a prop!
Regards
John
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On Jan 30, 2015, at 3:12 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey > wrote:
Take this all with a grain of salt as the sampling size is tiny; your milea
ge may vary=85
I have flown my Piet with an A65 and a C-85. I took instruction in an A65-p
owered Champ and I=92ve had some flights in Cubs powered by A-65s and C-85s
. Far and away the best performer is my Piet with a C-85.
The Piet has much crisper control responses than the Champs or Cubs. The Ch
amp wallowed. The handling of the Cubs just plain sucked ' heavy, pondero
usly slow, and not precise at all. The Champ is the most dynamically stable
, followed by the Cubs. The Piet is darned neared neutral, and indeed will
happily continue into a bank if positive correction is not made by the pilo
t. The Champ is much more comfortable in turbulence (again, it just wallows
). The Piet and Cubs are about equally skittish in turbulence ' not fun a
t all!
Climb rate of the Piet with the A-65 was OK; it=92s great with the C'85.
The Champ and Cubs are pretty anemic climbers, even with the C-85. It=92s c
ounterintuitive to me, but that=92s been my experience.
Overall I find the Piet a much more fun airplane. I was surprised by this.
I really thought I=92d like the Champ more, but I didn=92t. And, overall, C
ubs just suck. Sorry to all those romantics out there! But, the two Cubs I
=92ve flown just suck.
HTH,
Jeff
From: John Letkeman <pilot(at)fehrs.com<mailto:pilot(at)fehrs.com>>
>" >
Date: Friday, January 30, 2015 at 3:49 PM
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
Steve, Thanks for your help on this matter, I have never flown a Pietenpol
but have owned a Champ 7AC with the A65 and was very satisfied with the per
formance and it was a 760lbs airplane, I know that the Champ has a larger w
ing but it also is100+lbs heavier than the Pietenpol, maybe you or someone
else on this forum has experience in both the Pietenpol A65 and Champ A65 a
nd would be willing to give a comparison.
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 30, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Steven Dortch > wrote:
Altitude at Seminole is 3,300. Density altitude can be a tail kicker. Most
Cubs and Champs in West Texas have been up engined from 65HP to 85, 90 or 1
00. You might even consider looking at a Corvair for more HP. (You could tr
ade your 65 for that.)
My 100HP Cessna 150, fully loaded, took a really long time to get out of gr
ound effect at a 2000 MSL airport and I barely got enough altitude to get t
o Lubbock (3000 ft MSL) on a 112 degree day. That got my attention.
Van White, an old aviator at Biggen Hill Airport near Shallowater, told me
that his dad had a model A powered Pietenpol in the 1930s. One day his dad
flew him to visit a farmer friend in anouther county and in the heat of the
afternoon, his dad could not get the plane to fly out of ground effect for
the trip home. His dad ordered 10 year old Van out and told him to find hi
s own way home and took off. Van said it sure was a long walk to a road whe
re someone gave him a ride.
John, Do the math and make your own decision. With 65HP you can always fly
early in the day.
I hope to fly my Piet up to the Panhandle someday for a tour, visiting fami
ly and friends, But I only have 65HP so I will probably plan on spring or f
all.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:54 PM, tkreiner > wrote:
:tkreiner(at)gmail.com>>
With the temps in W Texas - I've spend several summers out there - you migh
t reconsider and find an O-235 to hang on your airframe. At the density al
titudes you'll encounter, a 65 Hp engine might produce 40 Hp on a hot summ
ers day. The O-235 would probably give you around 80 Hp, a HUGE improvemen
t over the A-65...
Just my $0.02
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Throttle Quadrant Ideas |
IFR in a Piet? You're going to use all your Useful Load hauling your b__ls
around!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Burkholder
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Throttle Quadrant Ideas
Nice Gary. I had the same question as Paul did and just might use yours as
something to go off of. Getting ready to tackle the Piet project after a 4
month pause while I studied for and trained for my IFR and CPL licenses.
Charles B
On 1/30/2015 4:39 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
Paul,
In the attached, you can see how close the Carb Heat is to the throttle.
With just a little more thought, you could make it side-by-side with the
throttle, too. I have found no reason for a friction lock.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Hey Guys (and a few girls).
im about to fabricate the throttle as per plans and was wondering what folks
have done to incorporate a friction device and carb heat.
i guess the obvious spot for the friction would be at the pivot point, but i
wasnt sure if enough friction could be added at that point to make it
effective.
would like the carb heat along side the throttle to make it a seemless
operation.
any ideas? would like to keep it as original as possible. Paul
_______________
Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
01/30/15
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Charles Burkholder
Visit my blog @ http://missionmechfund.blogspot.ca/
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | handling, climbing-- Piet, Champ, Cub |
Having a little time in each of these Jeff Boatright I'd say your observati
ons matched mine about these airplanes
with one possible exception---the Champ I flew had a metal prop on an A-65
and it would lift more and climb better
than a friend of mine who had the same basic plane but was using a wood pro
p of similar pitch and diameter.
In all respects I believe the Piet is a nicer handling plane than a Cub or
Champ but love the speed of the Champ (87mph seems fast now!)
and the comfort, plus you can fly with the door removed so it feels semi-op
en cockpit.
All three planes are very forgiving and docile airplanes though for sure.
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | Fwd: B: OT: Lindbergh's Flight--A MUST for airplane lovers! |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Well done, from the Bonanza list.
STeve D
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jim Holmes <vtailf35(at)frontier.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:18 PM
Subject: B: OT: Lindbergh's Flight--A MUST for airplane lovers!
This was really awesome.
Lindbergh's Flight
Win Perkins, a real estate appraiser who specializes in airport
properties, has posted on his Website, a video he created of Charles
Lindbergh's famous and risky takeoff in the "Spirit of St. Louis" (20 May
1927).
According to Perkins, this is unlike any other presentation of the takeoff
footage.
Perkins said he "painstakingly assembled news footage from five cameras
that filmed Lindbergh's takeoff from Roosevelt Field, Long Island "and
"mixed it with enhanced audio from the same newsreel sources."
This is one of the most interesting videos I've seen over the Internet.
INSTRUCTIONS: Below When you click on the address, episode #3 comes up
ready to play.
I suggest you first click on "CONTACT" to the left and select #1, then watch
them in order, #1 through #4 ...
(each time going back to " Contact" and selecting the next one).
I was glued to the screen through all 4.
What guts it took for Lindbergh to
overcome the odds against him, and accomplish this amazing feat!
How he survived the fatigue from lack of sleep is hard to believe.
<http://www.airportappraisals.com/> http://www.airportappraisals.com/
Jim Holmes
N4293B/F35
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack,
It is indeed a beautiful airplane. I haven't seen your answer yet, but I was curious
as well. Did you build it?
It is a beautiful airplane, but in your large photo I noticed 2 things worth, I
think, mentioning. 1.) you have hard fuel lines, combined with 2.) smaller diagonal
braces on the front cabanes. William Wynne has written 2 articles about
how that combination almost killed him. Here are links to both articles-
http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/19/pietenpol-fuel-lines-and-cabanes/
http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/20/fuel-lines-and-cabanes-part-2/
I think that as a group that we are not doing anyone a favor if we point out only
the good and avoid pointing out any areas to be improved upon. I hope you take
this post in the spirit it is sent, one pilot concerned about another.
BTW, I live in Athens GA, not horribly far from you. I would like to fly or drive
over some time and look at your plane in person. Maybe we can set that up some
time.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Jack <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Terry,
I bought a project about 2 years ago and finished it. So I sort-of built it. I
can certainly tell you I put a lot of work into it.
I don't take any offense to observations good or bad. I appreciate the counsel.
I have commiserated over the fuel lines. I had them installed when I found out
about WW's article. I still may bite the bullet and change them. Thanks for
the observation.
I would enjoy your visit. Please come by anytime, in fact let's set a day. What's
good for you?
As an aside, I'm looking forward to Brodhead this year and would like to fly there
with someone, are you game?
Please keep in touch.
Jack
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 31, 2015, at 3:54 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>
>
> Jack,
>
> It is indeed a beautiful airplane. I haven't seen your answer yet, but I was
curious as well. Did you build it?
>
> It is a beautiful airplane, but in your large photo I noticed 2 things worth,
I think, mentioning. 1.) you have hard fuel lines, combined with 2.) smaller
diagonal braces on the front cabanes. William Wynne has written 2 articles about
how that combination almost killed him. Here are links to both articles-
>
> http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/19/pietenpol-fuel-lines-and-cabanes/
>
> http://flycorvair.net/2013/12/20/fuel-lines-and-cabanes-part-2/
>
> I think that as a group that we are not doing anyone a favor if we point out
only the good and avoid pointing out any areas to be improved upon. I hope you
take this post in the spirit it is sent, one pilot concerned about another.
>
> BTW, I live in Athens GA, not horribly far from you. I would like to fly or drive
over some time and look at your plane in person. Maybe we can set that up
some time.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437886#437886
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack,
I could be! Let's talk.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Jack,
Are you considering flying the Piet up to Brodhead? I did last year, and probably
will again this year. Mine is based just south of Chatt TN. Jeff Boatright
almost did, if we start to work on him now, might be able to twist his arm
enough to do it this year, then we'd have a squadron going up!
It's a hell of a commitment to get one that far, and starting a plan now probably
isn't very much too early!
Also, I'm hosting a weekend of playing around with machine tools I have just south
of Chatt from 26 Feb to 1 Mar. There's going to be half a dozen or more Pietenpol
guys there, you're more than welcome to come join us. There's a really
nice grass field about 5 miles from the place, very welcome to base out of
there. About 10 miles south is 9a5 which has self serve, indoor hangar space,
etc. Do a quick look through the threads on here about "toolstock" for details.
Tools
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
41CC has no latches and the flop does not seem to move at all, in any flight regime.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Gentlemen (and Steve);
One of my rudder horns got bent and I got it straightened out with the help of a friend at work. Some pictures at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/rudder.html
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
| From: | Claude Corbett <isablcorky(at)aol.com> |
It's a real good feeling to see someone enjoy an airplane as much as you, especially
nc41cc.
Be careful and keep flying
Corky
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:13 AM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> Gentlemen (and Steve);
>
> One of my rudder horns got bent and I got it straightened out with the help of a friend at work. Some pictures at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/rudder.html
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437891#437891
>
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>
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>
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| From: | Jack <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Terry,
Give me some contact info or call me 802-414-2235
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 31, 2015, at 8:19 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>
>
> Jack,
>
> I could be! Let's talk.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437888#437888
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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| From: | John Letkeman <pilot(at)fehrs.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Oscar,
Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental aircraft,
I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I need too
research the FAR's
And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness certificate,
I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond Hanover on this forum?
I would like too visit with him,
He's only about a two hour flight in the C170.
Thanks
John
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just say that
the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to be the
only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several hands before
being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What you're probably
saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the repairman's certificate
for it. That would permit you to do your own condition inspections on it,
and for that you have to convince your DAR that you've done enough of the work
on it that you're so familiar with it that you can inspect it. With the wings
and fuselage covered and painted, I don't think you have much hope of getting
that cert.
>
> You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- Raymond
Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair-powered
GN-1.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437857#437857
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Defensive flying |
I don't ride a motorcycle, but I sometimes think that flying a Piet in the
pattern is a defensive action, like motorcycles.
<http://youtu.be/tOc1fqaysNo> http://youtu.be/tOc1fqaysNo
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go!
Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why or
how the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just that.
If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look
around for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in
many ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities
(Wood frame, cloth, A65)
One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of
information. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex
thoughts. IE, "Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just
burn a hole in the fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw
instead of two short ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying
because, "no one else flies as slow as I do."
Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I
wanted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be
done to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add
bells and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman wrote:
>
> Oscar,
> Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental
> aircraft,
> I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I
> need too research the FAR's
> And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness
> certificate, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond
> Hanover on this forum? I would like too visit with him,
> He's only about a two hour flight in the C170.
> Thanks
> John
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just
> say that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have
> to be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several
> hands before being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What
> you're probably saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the
> repairman's certificate for it. That would permit you to do your own
> condition inspections on it, and for that you have to convince your DAR
> that you've done enough of the work on it that you're so familiar with it
> that you can inspect it. With the wings and fuselage covered and painted,
> I don't think you have much hope of getting that cert.
> >
> > You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)-
> Raymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his
> Corvair-powered GN-1.
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437857#437857
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Gary,
When we get used to using radios, we soon forget that others might not have o
ne. I'm keenly aware now since my grandson is flying our Aeronca (NORAD) som
etimes as I'm flying the Waiex at the same time at O08. He makes big, slow s
tudent pilot patterns while I make small fast patterns.
Reminds me of the time I came to visit you and had not changed from 122.8 af
ter I left Oroville and Colusa! Sure was quiet at Lincoln, no traffic to wor
ry about.
Scary,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:02 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> I don=99t ride a motorcycle, but I sometimes think that flying a Pie
t in the pattern is a defensive action, like motorcycles http://you
tu.be/tOc1fqaysNo
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: trim system for both cockpits |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Very clever and simple. I like it.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Defensive flying |
He was probably "Watching TV" on a glass panel. I've noticed that the more
complex the avionics, the less often people look outside. There are several
NORDO airplanes based at my field, and the Diamond and Cirrus pilots think
they should be banned from flying because they don't have transponders and
don't show up on their TCAS. I respond that unless IMC prevails, all glass
panels should go dark within 10 miles of the airport.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Defensive flying
I don't ride a motorcycle, but I sometimes think that flying a Piet in the
pattern is a defensive action, like motorcycles.
<http://youtu.be/tOc1fqaysNo> http://youtu.be/tOc1fqaysNo
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| From: | Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Videocy - a form of idiocy induced by too much attention to video
screens. I did not realize that glass panel pilots shared this
affliction with teenagers.
On Feb 1, 2015, at 7:30 AM, Jack Philips wrote:
> He was probably =93Watching TV=94 on a glass panel. I=92ve noticed
that
> the more complex the avionics, the less often people look outside.
> There are several NORDO airplanes based at my field, and the Diamond
> and Cirrus pilots think they should be banned from flying because
> they don=92t have transponders and don=92t show up on their TCAS. I
> respond that unless IMC prevails, all glass panels should go dark
> within 10 miles of the airport.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:03 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Defensive flying
>
> I don=92t ride a motorcycle, but I sometimes think that flying a Piet
> in the pattern is a defensive action, like motorcycles=85
http://youtu.be/tOc1fqaysNo
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| From: | "tonyp51qa" <tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com> |
Hello All,
I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the Pietenpol
at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of June and i'm planning
to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
Tony
tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com
--------
Tony Crawford
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
Hi Gary,
Glad it all worked out. What is the text at the very end of the movie? It goes
by too quickly for me to catch.
Jeff
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Yeah...I wanted to add another frame, but couldn't figure out how...
I caught up with the 210 drivers. They said that they never heard me (not
surprised), and that was their excuse for not seeing me. That part bothered
me. I suggested that I would work on my communication issues, if they would
work on looking out for silent traffic. We did not shake hands.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 5:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Defensive flying
-->
Hi Gary,
Glad it all worked out. What is the text at the very end of the movie? It
goes by too quickly for me to catch.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
| From: | "Andre B. Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
There is always a group of Pietenpeople in the woodworking workshop at SNF. I flew
mine there a few years ago, but now that I've crossed that off my bucket list
I prefer my pop-up camper to the Aircamper. I believe John Hoffman said in
an earlier post he would have a booth somewhere for the Brodhead Pietenpol Assn.
Ben Charvet
Titusville,Fl
tonyp51qa wrote:
>
>Hello All,
>I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the Pietenpol
at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of June and i'm
planning to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
>
>Tony
>
>tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com
>
>--------
>Tony Crawford
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437914#437914
>
>
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| From: | John Letkeman <pilot(at)fehrs.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
90% done 50% to go! So true! I have spent a lot of time measuring parts and
looking at the plans already!
Are you in the San Antonio area? I fly my boss there occasionally.
John
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Steven Dortch > wrote:
John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go!
Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why or ho
w the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just that.
If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look aro
und for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in man
y ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities (W
ood frame, cloth, A65)
One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of informati
on. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex thoughts. IE, "
Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just burn a hole in the
fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw instead of two short
ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying because, "no one else fl
ies as slow as I do."
Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I wan
ted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be do
ne to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add bells
and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman > wrote:
:pilot(at)fehrs.com>>
Oscar,
Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental airc
raft,
I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I ne
ed too research the FAR's
And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness certifica
te, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond Hanover on th
is forum? I would like too visit with him,
He's only about a two hour flight in the C170.
Thanks
John
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags > wrote:
>
mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com>>
>
> John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just s
ay that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to
be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several ha
nds before being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What yo
u're probably saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the repai
rman's certificate for it. That would permit you to do your own condition
inspections on it, and for that you have to convince your DAR that you've d
one enough of the work on it that you're so familiar with it that you can i
nspect it. With the wings and fuselage covered and painted, I don't think
you have much hope of getting that cert.
>
> You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- R
aymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair-
powered GN-1.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437857#437857
>
>
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target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, I am smack dab in the middle. I live on Fort Sam Houston.
with some warning I could haul you out to look over my project. Note it
takes 40 min to get there from almost any airport.
Steve D
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:56 AM, John Letkeman wrote:
> 90% done 50% to go! So true! I have spent a lot of time measuring parts
> and looking at the plans already!
> Are you in the San Antonio area? I fly my boss there occasionally.
> John
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Steven Dortch
> wrote:
>
> John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go!
>
> Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why or
> how the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just that.
>
> If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look
> around for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in
> many ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities
> (Wood frame, cloth, A65)
>
> One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of
> information. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex
> thoughts. IE, "Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just
> burn a hole in the fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw
> instead of two short ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying
> because, "no one else flies as slow as I do."
>
> Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I
> wanted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be
> done to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add
> bells and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs)
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman wrote:
>
>>
>> Oscar,
>> Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental
>> aircraft,
>> I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I
>> need too research the FAR's
>> And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness
>> certificate, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond
>> Hanover on this forum? I would like too visit with him,
>> He's only about a two hour flight in the C170.
>> Thanks
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags wrote:
>> >
>> taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>> >
>> > John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just
>> say that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have
>> to be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several
>> hands before being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What
>> you're probably saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the
>> repairman's certificate for it. That would permit you to do your own
>> condition inspections on it, and for that you have to convince your DAR
>> that you've done enough of the work on it that you're so familiar with it
>> that you can inspect it. With the wings and fuselage covered and painted,
>> I don't think you have much hope of getting that cert.
>> >
>> > You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)-
>> Raymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his
>> Corvair-powered GN-1.
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Oscar Zuniga
>> > Medford, OR
>> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> > A75 power
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437857#437857
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> br> enpol-List" target="_blank">
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ==========
>> FORUMS -
>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> b Site -
>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> *
>
> ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> ics.com <http://ics.com>
> .matronics.com/contribution <http://matronics.com/contribution>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
| From: | "wheelharp" <wheelharp(at)gmail.com> |
This might be a silly question, but why are these horns bending? Is it just from
excessive inputs, or something else.
Corky...good to see you on here! I remembered you keeping us updated on Chuck Gantzers
progress on his '04 tour, and I even was able to catch up with him and
put him up overnight so I could pester him with a barrage of Piet questions.
Jon in Missouri
--------
Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
| From: | Claude Corbett <isablcorky(at)aol.com> |
Thanks for the reply Jon. It's nice to be remembered
Corky
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:59 AM, wheelharp wrote:
>
>
> This might be a silly question, but why are these horns bending? Is it just from
excessive inputs, or something else.
>
> Corky...good to see you on here! I remembered you keeping us updated on Chuck
Gantzers progress on his '04 tour, and I even was able to catch up with him and
put him up overnight so I could pester him with a barrage of Piet questions.
>
> Jon in Missouri
>
> --------
> Jon Jones
> Ironton, MO
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437921#437921
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
Mine bent because I had changed the direction of the cable, by adding 1 more
pulley, so that the cable was pulling downward, too. In the repair, I
adjusted the angle of the rudder horn to be in line with the cable.
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of wheelharp
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 8:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bent aileron horn
This might be a silly question, but why are these horns bending? Is it just
from excessive inputs, or something else.
Corky...good to see you on here! I remembered you keeping us updated on
Chuck Gantzers progress on his '04 tour, and I even was able to catch up
with him and put him up overnight so I could pester him with a barrage of
Piet questions.
Jon in Missouri
--------
Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
There's an ugly rumor that Dick Navrotil (and Skip, Jim, Art, Ben, myself and a
few others) will be building a couple of Sky Scout wings at the woodworking area.
If true, this will be the second year in a row that we HAVEN'T built a Pietenpol
fuselage. Have to do one next year just to stay in practice.
Stop by, introduce yourself, and lend a hand.
Dave Aldrich
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
After the Sun n Fun tornado, I can say that none of the Big Piets will be
there
Barry
NX973BP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tonyp51qa
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 8:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun 2015
Hello All,
I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the
Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of
June and i'm planning to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
Tony
tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com
--------
Tony Crawford
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
Nor will I ever fly my Pietenpol to SNF again, for the same reason.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun 2015
After the Sun n Fun tornado, I can say that none of the Big Piets will be
there Barry NX973BP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tonyp51qa
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 8:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun 2015
Hello All,
I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the
Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of
June and i'm planning to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
Tony
tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com
--------
Tony Crawford
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Gary;
So many lessons to learn from your video! Thanks for sharing it. For one thing,
that was absolutely brilliant thinking about pulling smoke as soon as you thought
you might not be noticed by the other guy. Even though you were almost
out of smoke oil, anything you can do to make your plane stand out in the pattern
is worth trying and you did it instantly, reflexively. Great thinking!
The other thing was initiating a go-around as soon as things got topsy-turvy on
short final in the 210's wake. I would have white-knuckled it on down, but you
did the right thing and without any noticeable hesitation. No scraped wingtips,
no bent gear, no harm done... just a saved landing, followed by a greaser
on the go-around. Good piloting judgment.
I was trying to figure out just how long your takeoff roll was, but can't see all
the runway markings from the video. You push in full power just about where
the threshold markings end, you pass the numbers, and you're off before you
get to the fixed distance marks so your takeoff roll looks to be 400-500 feet.
You did mention a headwind, but still... that's great and I'm sure it wasn't
a maximum effort takeoff.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Mine bent because I was trailering the fuselage with the tail first and a big 18-wheeler
passed me up and kicked the rudder over hard. It broke the plywood
strips that I was using as gust locks and when the rudder kicked over, the cable
that was in tension jerked the horn downwards pretty hard, kind of like Gary's
did.
If you plan on doing tail-slides in your Piet with your feet off the rudder bar,
you may want to beef up the horn ;o) Honestly, the horns as designed, if properly
fabricated, are pretty elegant in their simplicity, strength, and light
weight.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Thanks, Oscar! I thought about panicking...maybe next time! :-)
Don't know what others are in the habit of doing, but I have been leaving
the tail down on T/O and just letting her rise up when ready...when I'm
alone. With a heavy passenger, it seems much more controllable to get the
tail up, pick up speed and pull off when I feel it's right. That way there
is none of that mushing around for the first few seconds, at gross weight.
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 12:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Defensive flying
-->
Gary;
So many lessons to learn from your video! Thanks for sharing it. For one
thing, that was absolutely brilliant thinking about pulling smoke as soon as
you thought you might not be noticed by the other guy. Even though you were
almost out of smoke oil, anything you can do to make your plane stand out in
the pattern is worth trying and you did it instantly, reflexively. Great
thinking!
The other thing was initiating a go-around as soon as things got topsy-turvy
on short final in the 210's wake. I would have white-knuckled it on down,
but you did the right thing and without any noticeable hesitation. No
scraped wingtips, no bent gear, no harm done... just a saved landing,
followed by a greaser on the go-around. Good piloting judgment.
I was trying to figure out just how long your takeoff roll was, but can't
see all the runway markings from the video. You push in full power just
about where the threshold markings end, you pass the numbers, and you're off
before you get to the fixed distance marks so your takeoff roll looks to be
400-500 feet. You did mention a headwind, but still... that's great and I'm
sure it wasn't a maximum effort takeoff.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
| From: | Tony Crawford <tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com> |
HI, Having never been to SNF, could someone give me an location where these
workshops are? I am not asking for step by step directions, just a general
idea of once I get there where do I go. Thank You! Also any recommendations
about places to stay while there.
Tony
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Andre B. Charvet
wrote:
> bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
>
> There is always a group of Pietenpeople in the woodworking workshop at
> SNF. I flew mine there a few years ago, but now that I've crossed that off
> my bucket list I prefer my pop-up camper to the Aircamper. I believe John
> Hoffman said in an earlier post he would have a booth somewhere for the
> Brodhead Pietenpol Assn.
> Ben Charvet
> Titusville,Fl
>
> tonyp51qa wrote:
> >
> >Hello All,
> >I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the
> Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of
> June and i'm planning to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com
> >
> >--------
> >Tony Crawford
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Read this topic online here:
> >
> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437914#437914
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
The workshops are real close to the main entrance. There should be a map on t
he website. Lots of people camp, it just depends on how long you are stayin
g. Rates for camping are on the website too.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Tony Crawford wrote:
>
> HI, Having never been to SNF, could someone give me an location where thes
e workshops are? I am not asking for step by step directions, just a general
idea of once I get there where do I go. Thank You! Also any recommendations
about places to stay while there.
>
> Tony
>
>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Andre B. Charvet w
rote:
l.com>
>>
>> There is always a group of Pietenpeople in the woodworking workshop at SN
F. I flew mine there a few years ago, but now that I've crossed that off my b
ucket list I prefer my pop-up camper to the Aircamper. I believe John Hoffma
n said in an earlier post he would have a booth somewhere for the Brodhead P
ietenpol Assn.
>> Ben Charvet
>> Titusville,Fl
>>
>> tonyp51qa wrote:
>> >
>> >Hello All,
>> >I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the Pi
etenpol at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of June a
nd i'm planning to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
>> >
>> >Tony
>> >
>> >tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com
>> >
>> >--------
>> >Tony Crawford
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437914#437914
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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enpol-List
>> ==========
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>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
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>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ==========
>
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| From: | Jack <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight plan symbol |
Tools,
I AM planning to fly to Brodhead this year. I'd like to talk to you about it. How
about a phone conversation?
Mine Is 803-414-2235. Let's talk.
Jack
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:20 AM, tools wrote:
>
>
> Jack,
>
> Are you considering flying the Piet up to Brodhead? I did last year, and probably
will again this year. Mine is based just south of Chatt TN. Jeff Boatright
almost did, if we start to work on him now, might be able to twist his arm
enough to do it this year, then we'd have a squadron going up!
>
> It's a hell of a commitment to get one that far, and starting a plan now probably
isn't very much too early!
>
> Also, I'm hosting a weekend of playing around with machine tools I have just
south of Chatt from 26 Feb to 1 Mar. There's going to be half a dozen or more
Pietenpol guys there, you're more than welcome to come join us. There's a really
nice grass field about 5 miles from the place, very welcome to base out of
there. About 10 miles south is 9a5 which has self serve, indoor hangar space,
etc. Do a quick look through the threads on here about "toolstock" for details.
>
> Tools
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
| From: | "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net> |
Gary,
You did a good job, and you make a good argument for a smoke system(and keeping
it full).
I've flown an ultralight to local airports even for a flight breakfast on occasion
and really watch traffic as I get close. Being slower than the other traffic
I fly a closer pattern and a lower one. I've had guys scoot in front of me
and make base and final doubting if they ever saw me.
Glad you heard them and at least tried to be seen.
With my very limited time in a Piet. I do my takeoffs like you. Let the tail come
up on its own...Seems more comfortable that way. My landings at times leave
a lot to be desired...Every other landing is pretty good [Embarassed]
Larry
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Thanks, Larry. My best landings have been with a little power...
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Vetter
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 4:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Defensive flying
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Gary,
You did a good job, and you make a good argument for a smoke system(and
keeping it full).
I've flown an ultralight to local airports even for a flight breakfast on
occasion and really watch traffic as I get close. Being slower than the
other traffic I fly a closer pattern and a lower one. I've had guys scoot in
front of me and make base and final doubting if they ever saw me.
Glad you heard them and at least tried to be seen.
With my very limited time in a Piet. I do my takeoffs like you. Let the
tail come up on its own...Seems more comfortable that way. My landings at
times leave a lot to be desired...Every other landing is pretty good
[Embarassed] Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Gary;
My training in taildraggers began a lot of years ago (1971) and always included
forward pressure on the stick to get the tail up as soon as possible, then neutral
stick, rolling on the mains till rotation speed was reached. This had been
instinctive with me until just recently, when I decided to try what everybody
else seemed to be doing with their Air Campers... "just let her roll and she'll
lift off when she's ready to fly". I was amazed at how nice the stick felt
when using that technique, instead of having to push forward against pretty
strong pressure intentionally. And sure enough, she flew when she was ready
to fly, and in what seemed to be the same amount of takeoff distance.
I will still use the aggressive stick-forward technique on soft fields or with
deep grass just to cut down on rolling resistance to get going, but on hard surface
it sure seems nicer to hold more or less neutral stick and just let the
airplane do what it likes to do.
Larry: my record with landings is about like yours, but maybe not quite so good.
Every third landing or so, turns out decent. The trouble is, sometimes I make
all three of those 'landings' on the same approach (bounce it a little when
I flare just a tad too high, add power to try to save it, bounce it again, chop
the power, then grin and wave to the disconcerted onlookers).
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Dang it! I was hoping Dick and the others would finish up those wooden floats
and then put them on an Air Camper for testing. Now that would be sweet! Imagine
flying in to a little lake with no roads leading to it, unlimbering your
fly rod or spinning rig and hooking into some nice fish for a shore lunch. Air
Camping at its finest!
Hmmm... I wonder if Dick and the float builders thought about including some dry
wells down in one or two of the chambers in the floats for that cast iron skillet,
a simple little grill to sit on some rocks over the fire, and some utensils.
I'm so easy to please that I could just take some blackening spices, grill
the fillets, and make a simple sandwich by wrapping a piece of bread around
a grilled fillet and chow down.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
| From: | Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
I agree with Barry. I will never fly my Piet down there. After the tornado the
officials just tore our planes apart to get them out of the way. A lot of my damage
was due to the clean up. Gsrdiner.
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:24 PM, "Barry Davis" wrote:
>
> After the Sun n Fun tornado, I can say that none of the Big Piets will be
> there
> Barry
> NX973BP
>
>
>
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> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tonyp51qa
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 8:25 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun 2015
>
>
> Hello All,
> I was wondering if the will be any "PIETS" or anything related to the
> Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun 2015? I just moved here from Alaska at the end of
> June and i'm planning to attend! I now live in Northern Alabama.
>
> Tony
>
> tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com
>
> --------
> Tony Crawford
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437914#437914
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Defensive flying |
Hi=C2-Gary, that is how I feel sometimes here at Santa Rosa with all the
jets.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
I am currently working on issues with the water rudders on my floats and I'm
not reedy to bring them down to SNF. That may be next years project, I
still have to work out the mounts. Or, I would prefer that we can build a
fuselage for someone else. If anyone wants to we can build a fuselage this
year. Please let me know
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 11:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015
>
>
> There's an ugly rumor that Dick Navrotil (and Skip, Jim, Art, Ben, myself
> and a few others) will be building a couple of Sky Scout wings at the
> woodworking area. If true, this will be the second year in a row that we
> HAVEN'T built a Pietenpol fuselage. Have to do one next year just to stay
> in practice.
>
> Stop by, introduce yourself, and lend a hand.
>
> Dave Aldrich
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437927#437927
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Dick;
Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or that you have
some but they're not working out. In any case, note that there are some pretty
good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use. Lightweight, strong, and
retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have quite a small area since they aren't
designed for sharp, tight turns- but it's easy to add a larger blade to the
stock rudder using some stainless hardware.
Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard people ask about
floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of who has actually undertaken
the task.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437949#437949
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
Hi Oscar
I have been looking for the kayak rudders but I've only found one pair and
they were very expensive. I'm thinking of building a couple. I'm working
on finishing my Corvair engine.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 11:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015
>
> Dick;
>
> Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or that
> you have some but they're not working out. In any case, note that there
> are some pretty good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use.
> Lightweight, strong, and retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have quite
> a small area since they aren't designed for sharp, tight turns- but it's
> easy to add a larger blade to the stock rudder using some stainless
> hardware.
>
> Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard people
> ask about floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of who has
> actually undertaken the task.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437949#437949
>
>
>
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| From: | CLIF DAWSON <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
Hmmm...kinda like playing a guitar and banjo. You pick up either one and automatically
play
the thing. No stumbling because of they're differences. Those differences set your
mind and
hands to play THAT instrument. I would say your mind will set itself to the plane
after
some time in it. The cockpits are different in a similar fashion.
Clif
It really doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter and you very quickly get used
to whatever setup you happen to be flying. Just build it and go fly.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas
I,m glad to see this post. I've been trying to decide for months what side to put
my throttle on.
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| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
To Jerry and Keith and any other "Lefties",
I am about as left handed as they get. I was the kid that wrote back hand in class
and got pencil lead all down the side of my left hand. But all Lefties know
that we are the only ones in our "right minds"!
FWIW, the first almost 20 years of flying was done either in tandem seat military
trainers, helicopters or in the right seat of commercial jets as the First
Officer. I actually found that flying with my right hand was easier, as it allowed
me to do things like write down clearances or notes on my kneeboard with
my left hand while flying with my right. Those poor "righties" would have to swap
to their non-flying hand to write anything down.
The last 15 years have been flying from the left seat (I fly every trip with my
favorite Captain!) I worried a little bit about the transition when I started
to check out as a Captain. The retraining of muscle memory took all of about
an hour. It was not that hard.
I plan on putting the throttle on the left as that is how the tandem seat aircraft
I have flown or any single seat aircraft that I have ever seen have been set
up that way.
My $.02
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: bent aileron horn |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Mine was bent when the wing was moved in storage. Apparently a sideways
load, Like hte wing was dropped or it was shoved in.
Not flight related.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:59 AM, wheelharp wrote:
>
> This might be a silly question, but why are these horns bending? Is it
> just from excessive inputs, or something else.
>
> Corky...good to see you on here! I remembered you keeping us updated on
> Chuck Gantzers progress on his '04 tour, and I even was able to catch up
> with him and put him up overnight so I could pester him with a barrage of
> Piet questions.
>
> Jon in Missouri
>
> --------
> Jon Jones
> Ironton, MO
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437921#437921
>
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Terry et al.I am Very right handed. My left hand is there simply to make me
look symetrical.
Early in my flight lessons in a Cessna 150 I was invited by an instructor
to deliver a Cessna 182. I was in the right seat for a change and the
instructor told me to take the plane. I protested that it was the wrong
hand. He told me to take the controls and just don't think about it, Fly
the plane. It worked! I even landed from the wrong seat.
When I started in a Aeronca Champ, I was so tense and nervious about the
tailwheel and a stick, and reaching behind me to put on the Carb heat, and
not shoving the throttle forward too fast and flooding the engine, that I
clamped the stick with a death grip and was breating so hard that I fogged
up the inside of the cockpit! After the first several flights my
right forearm was visibly pumped up from gripping the stick!
My mentor took me up several times and allowed no take offs or landings and
made me go just fly around with only two or three fingers on the stick,
concentrating on stepping on the ball. He also covinced me that we rarely
have to do more than two things at once. IE you throttle up and stay on the
rudders. Or when you put on carb heat, that is the only thing you are
doing. Don't try to think about everything at once.
I just try not to think about the mechinaic and fly the plane.Not thinking
is one of the things I do best.
Putting the throttle on the right will be a theft deterrent to many
pilots. Having a car with a manual transmission is a theft deterrent in
today's society.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 7:03 AM, jarheadpilot82
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> To Jerry and Keith and any other "Lefties",
>
> I am about as left handed as they get. I was the kid that wrote back hand
> in class and got pencil lead all down the side of my left hand. But all
> Lefties know that we are the only ones in our "right minds"!
>
> FWIW, the first almost 20 years of flying was done either in tandem seat
> military trainers, helicopters or in the right seat of commercial jets as
> the First Officer. I actually found that flying with my right hand was
> easier, as it allowed me to do things like write down clearances or notes
> on my kneeboard with my left hand while flying with my right. Those poor
> "righties" would have to swap to their non-flying hand to write anything
> down.
>
> The last 15 years have been flying from the left seat (I fly every trip
> with my favorite Captain!) I worried a little bit about the transition when
> I started to check out as a Captain. The retraining of muscle memory took
> all of about an hour. It was not that hard.
>
> I plan on putting the throttle on the left as that is how the tandem seat
> aircraft I have flown or any single seat aircraft that I have ever seen
> have been set up that way.
>
> My $.02
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437955#437955
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
Putting the throttle on the right will be a theft deterrent to many
pilots. Having a car with a manual transmission is a theft deterrent in
today's society.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
Heck, Steve =93 having a tailwheel and an engine that must be
hand-propped is enough of a theft deterrent to most of today=99s
pilots
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Where it is 57 degrees, but with winds at 26 knots gusting to 35. No
flying today!
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | see and be seen---another advantage of a smoke system |
Great topic and great video Gary Boothe. I'm so glad you saw that bonehe
ad cut in tight on you and did a go-around when you ran into
his wake turbulence.
To me, Jack Phillips said it all right here but even before GPS and wiz-ban
g glass panels NORDO airplanes at GA airports tend to get ignored unless yo
u
have some kind of fancy strobes or anti-collision lights or your wing catc
hes a glint of the sun in a turn and the radio-equipped pilots in the patte
rn see
you.
I completely use my smoke system (when I'm not using my Icom handheld) to a
nnounce my presence in the pattern at my home airport and other airports.
It really catches the eye of other pilots in the area and gives me a sense
of hope that I'm more visible.
They don't teach head-on-a-swivel much anymore and truthfully I have gotten
VERY complacent in looking for traffic sometimes because of FUEL prices an
d
such little traffic at my home base. Good reminder Gary---glad everything
ended well. I hope you were able to have a chat with that Cessna gent.
Mike C.
Ohio
He was probably "Watching TV" on a glass panel. I've noticed that the more
complex the avionics, the less often people look outside. There are sever
al NORDO airplanes based at my field, and the Diamond and Cirrus pilots thi
nk they should be banned from flying because they don't have transponders a
nd don't show up on their TCAS. I respond that unless IMC prevails, all gl
ass panels should go dark within 10 miles of the airport.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: see and be seen---another advantage of a smoke system |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
I learned to fly with a military flying club about 1990-91. One instructor
was a WWII B25 vet. When you flew with him he looked like Stevie Wonder.
His head rolled and bobbed and looked up constantly. he leaned forward and
back looking around wings and struts and window posts constantly. He said
during WWII he was always worried about a midair in the large formations,
oh yeah, there were some ME109s he liked to see coming as well.
He also pushed lifing a wing and looking before you turn in a direction. He
also was a proponent of rolling the plane If the other pilot did not say he
saw you in the pattern.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
BTW the most respected pilots on the Beechlist all bemoan the loss of
outside situational awareness that is due to glass panels. Those with ADS-B
out and in tell us how many planes that system misses.
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
> Great topic and great video Gary Boothe. I=99m so glad you saw
that
> bonehead cut in tight on you and did a go-around when you ran into
>
> his wake turbulence.
>
>
> To me, Jack Phillips said it all right here but even before GPS and
> wiz-bang glass panels NORDO airplanes at GA airports tend to get ignored
> unless you
>
> have some kind of fancy strobes or anti-collision lights or your wing
> catches a glint of the sun in a turn and the radio-equipped pilots in the
> pattern see
>
> you.
>
>
> I completely use my smoke system (when I=99m not using my Icom hand
held) to
> announce my presence in the pattern at my home airport and other airports
.
>
> It really catches the eye of other pilots in the area and gives me a sens
e
> of hope that I=99m more visible.
>
>
> They don=99t teach head-on-a-swivel much anymore and truthfully I h
ave
> gotten VERY complacent in looking for traffic sometimes because of FUEL
> prices and
>
> such little traffic at my home base. Good reminder Gary---glad everythin
g
> ended well. I hope you were able to have a chat with that Cessna gent
.
>
>
> Mike C.
>
> Ohio
>
>
> *He was probably =9CWatching TV=9D on a glass panel. I
=99ve noticed that the
> more complex the avionics, the less often people look outside. There are
> several NORDO airplanes based at my field, and the Diamond and Cirrus
> pilots think they should be banned from flying because they don=99t
have
> transponders and don=99t show up on their TCAS. I respond that unl
ess IMC
> prevails, all glass panels should go dark within 10 miles of the airport.
*
>
>
> *Jack Phillips*
>
> *NX899JP*
>
> *Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia*
>
>
> *
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Steve D
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| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: see and be seen---another advantage of a smoke system |
Funny you mention strobes. 210 Pilot, "So...you only have a hand held (radi
o)? ....no lights? ....no strobes?
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D. Cuy (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nas
a.gov>
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 9:48:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: see and be seen---another advantage of a smoke sys
tem
Great topic and great video Gary Boothe. I=99m so glad you saw that b
onehead cut in tight on you and did a go-around when you ran into
his wake turbulence.
To me, Jack Phillips said it all right here but even before GPS and wiz-ban
g glass panels NORDO airplanes at GA airports tend to get ignored unless yo
u
have some kind of fancy strobes or anti-collision lights or your wing catch
es a glint of the sun in a turn and the radio-equipped pilots in the patter
n see
you.
I completely use my smoke system (when I=99m not using my Icom handhe
ld) to announce my presence in the pattern at my home airport and other air
ports.
It really catches the eye of other pilots in the area and gives me a sense
of hope that I=99m more visible.
They don=99t teach head-on-a-swivel much anymore and truthfully I hav
e gotten VERY complacent in looking for traffic sometimes because of FUEL p
rices and
such little traffic at my home base. Good reminder Gary---glad everything e
nded well. I hope you were able to have a chat with that Cessna gent.
Mike C.
Ohio
He was probably =9CWatching TV=9D on a glass panel. I=99v
e noticed that the more complex the avionics, the less often people look ou
tside. There are several NORDO airplanes based at my field, and the Diamond
and Cirrus pilots think they should be banned from flying because they don
=99t have transponders and don=99t show up on their TCAS. I res
pond that unless IMC prevails, all glass panels should go dark within 10 mi
les of the airport.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
===
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
One of the flying and Glider manuals has floats in it!.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Dick;
>
> Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or that
> you have some but they're not working out. In any case, note that there
> are some pretty good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use.
> Lightweight, strong, and retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have quite
> a small area since they aren't designed for sharp, tight turns- but it's
> easy to add a larger blade to the stock rudder using some stainless
> hardware.
>
> Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard people
> ask about floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of who has
> actually undertaken the task.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437949#437949
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Did anyone get the float plans someone shared with the list? I did. They
are slick-looking. I bought plans for a kayak & started, because similar
construction to building a Piet.
Www.Gentry custom boats.com
The bulkheads I've cut look a bit like the float plan bulkheads.
On Feb 2, 2015 3:25 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote:
> One of the flying and Glider manuals has floats in it!.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>>
>> Dick;
>>
>> Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or that
>> you have some but they're not working out. In any case, note that there
>> are some pretty good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use.
>> Lightweight, strong, and retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have quite
>> a small area since they aren't designed for sharp, tight turns- but it's
>> easy to add a larger blade to the stock rudder using some stainless
>> hardware.
>>
>> Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard people
>> ask about floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of who has
>> actually undertaken the task.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437949#437949
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Somewhere I read about a 1940s or 1950s attempt at flying a piet with
floats. I vaguely remember that they kept attaching the floats wrong. First
the plane would not get up on the "step" and fly off the water. Then the
floats were repositioned and the plane rolled over nose first into the
water. I don't remember if it ever flew.
But I am pretty sure I have seen floats on Piets.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Dick N wrote:
>
> Hi Oscar
> I have been looking for the kayak rudders but I've only found one pair and
> they were very expensive. I'm thinking of building a couple. I'm working
> on finishing my Corvair engine.
> Dick
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 11:35 PM
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>> Dick;
>>
>> Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or that
>> you have some but they're not working out. In any case, note that there
>> are some pretty good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use. Lightweight,
>> strong, and retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have quite a small area
>> since they aren't designed for sharp, tight turns- but it's easy to add a
>> larger blade to the stock rudder using some stainless hardware.
>>
>> Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard people
>> ask about floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of who has
>> actually undertaken the task.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437949#437949
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Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Here's an old thread about Piets on floats:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=61580&sid2d7fbccf7ad125864775190929fd90
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437991#437991
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Could the wings be clipped J-3? I understand that original Grega was
clipped J-3, which is what I have. I am just looking at aileron percentage
of span.
On Feb 2, 2015 6:21 PM, "Bill Church" wrote:
> billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>
> Here's an old thread about Piets on floats:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=61580&sid2d7fbccf7ad125864775190929fd90
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437991#437991
>
>
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015 |
Steve
I am building the Muk Tuk floats. They are current technology. I
looked at the Flying Glider manual and thought about it for a couple of
seconds, but that was that.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Dortch
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015
One of the flying and Glider manuals has floats in it!.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 11:35 PM, taildrags
wrote:
Dick;
Not sure if you mean that you have not fitted water rudders yet, or
that you have some but they're not working out. In any case, note that
there are some pretty good ones out there that the ocean kayaks use.
Lightweight, strong, and retractable. Most ocean kayak rudders have
quite a small area since they aren't designed for sharp, tight turns-
but it's easy to add a larger blade to the stock rudder using some
stainless hardware.
Thanks for taking on the project in the first place. I've heard
people ask about floats in the past, but you're the first that I know of
who has actually undertaken the task.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | John Letkeman <pilot(at)fehrs.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
Thanks Steve! I may take you up on that, I could just jump in a rental car,
do you have any pictures of your Piet on this forum?
John
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Steven Dortch > wrote:
Yes, I am smack dab in the middle. I live on Fort Sam Houston.
with some warning I could haul you out to look over my project. Note it tak
es 40 min to get there from almost any airport.
Steve D
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:56 AM, John Letkeman @fehrs.com>> wrote:
90% done 50% to go! So true! I have spent a lot of time measuring parts and
looking at the plans already!
Are you in the San Antonio area? I fly my boss there occasionally.
John
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Steven Dortch > wrote:
John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go!
Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why or ho
w the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just that.
If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look aro
und for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in man
y ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities (W
ood frame, cloth, A65)
One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of informati
on. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex thoughts. IE, "
Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just burn a hole in the
fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw instead of two short
ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying because, "no one else fl
ies as slow as I do."
Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I wan
ted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be do
ne to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add bells
and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman > wrote:
:pilot(at)fehrs.com>>
Oscar,
Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental airc
raft,
I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I ne
ed too research the FAR's
And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness certifica
te, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond Hanover on th
is forum? I would like too visit with him,
He's only about a two hour flight in the C170.
Thanks
John
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags > wrote:
>
mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com>>
>
> John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just s
ay that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to
be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several ha
nds before being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What yo
u're probably saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the repai
rman's certificate for it. That would permit you to do your own condition
inspections on it, and for that you have to convince your DAR that you've d
one enough of the work on it that you're so familiar with it that you can i
nspect it. With the wings and fuselage covered and painted, I don't think
you have much hope of getting that cert.
>
> You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- R
aymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair-
powered GN-1.
>
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: throttle quadrant ideas |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Like most others who have chimed in here, I find very little issue or problem with
flying right hand on stick/left hand on throttle, or vice-versa. I don't
even think about it. Years of flying C-150/152/172/182/206/Mooney/PA-whatever
all came very natural with yoke in left hand and throttle in right, but I started
out in a J-3 and never felt like something was wrong when in a Champ, Cub,
or anything else (including Piet) with the other setup. I like what I have
now (throttle on left, stick in right hand) and I want to be buried that way,
but I can assure you that it won't take long to adapt to either setup.
Jerry, as a side note to you, my very first airplane ride in my life was when I
was maybe 8 or 9 years old. I sat next to Wally Carson, the GMAC insurance agent
at my grandfather's Chevrolet dealership in Laredo, Texas... in his Luscombe.
I will never, ever forget the sensation of the airplane lifting off the
ground and then me looking out the window to look at the starboard side tire as
it stopped spinning after it broke free of the pavement and with Laredo Municipal
Airport melting away below us. Imagine my wonder as the twin cities of
Laredo Texas and Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas, Mexico began to spread out before me
in the windscreen, with the Rio Grande river twisting and winding between them.
I never knew what things looked like from the air and it was incredible.
Believe it or not, I have never been back up in a Luscombe since that day in
about 1960, and all I've ever heard about them is that they are squirrelly on
the ground. Try to tell that to my heart, which has a very special place in it
from that warm summer day when flying became a reality to a young boy who had
only been able to look at airplanes from the ground until that day. Just hearing
or seeing "Luscombe" means something completely different to me than it
does to most people, including pilots.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
John, No need for a rental car. I live about 10 min from both San Antonio
International and Stinson (the GA reliever, and second oldest General
Aviation airport in the US, est 1915) From either of these it is 40 min to
San Geronimo where my plane is.
I will haul you around, I just mentioned it for planning purposes. I work
until about 3PM most weekdays.
Give me some forwarning and I will let you see my project.
PS I have heard that "Der Faker Fokker" a highly modified Piet is at the
Air museum at Stinson.
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 10:31 PM, John Letkeman wrote:
> Thanks Steve! I may take you up on that, I could just jump in a rental
> car, do you have any pictures of your Piet on this forum?
> John
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Steven Dortch
> wrote:
>
> Yes, I am smack dab in the middle. I live on Fort Sam Houston.
>
> with some warning I could haul you out to look over my project. Note it
> takes 40 min to get there from almost any airport.
>
> Steve D
>
> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:56 AM, John Letkeman wrote:
>
>> 90% done 50% to go! So true! I have spent a lot of time measuring parts
>> and looking at the plans already!
>> Are you in the San Antonio area? I fly my boss there occasionally.
>> John
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Steven Dortch
>> wrote:
>>
>> John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go!
>>
>> Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why
>> or how the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just
>> that.
>>
>> If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look
>> around for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in
>> many ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities
>> (Wood frame, cloth, A65)
>>
>> One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of
>> information. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex
>> thoughts. IE, "Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just
>> burn a hole in the fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw
>> instead of two short ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying
>> because, "no one else flies as slow as I do."
>>
>> Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I
>> wanted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be
>> done to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add
>> bells and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs)
>>
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Oscar,
>>> Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental
>>> aircraft,
>>> I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I
>>> need too research the FAR's
>>> And find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness
>>> certificate, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond
>>> Hanover on this forum? I would like too visit with him,
>>> He's only about a two hour flight in the C170.
>>> Thanks
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> > On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags wrote:
>>> >
>>> taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs
>>> just say that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you
>>> have to be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through
>>> several hands before being completed by the second, third, or more
>>> builders. What you're probably saying is that you probably will not
>>> qualify to get the repairman's certificate for it. That would permit you
>>> to do your own condition inspections on it, and for that you have to
>>> convince your DAR that you've done enough of the work on it that you're so
>>> familiar with it that you can inspect it. With the wings and fuselage
>>> covered and painted, I don't think you have much hope of getting that cert.
>>> >
>>> > You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas
>>> standards)- Raymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with
>>> his Corvair-powered GN-1.
>>> >
>>> > --------
>>> > Oscar Zuniga
>>> > Medford, OR
>>> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>>> > A75 power
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Read this topic online here:
>>> >
>>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437857#437857
>>> >
>>> >
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| Subject: | Propping planes, WARNING |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hello Fellow Pieters,
I wanted to share an experience I had yesterday. Just a reminder to all who touch
propellers whether they are propping the plane or not.
A friend of mine who flys a Thorp T 18 was in the area and his plane was parked
at my airport over the whole weekend. He does this a lot. Anyway, The battery
was low due to the cold outside air temperatures all weekend. He managed to
flood the engine while trying to start it. The engine was turning very slowly.
So I asked if he would like me to pull it through several blades to clear
the flooding before he tried to start it again. He said sure, please do. Oh
yea, It has a metal prop hanging on an 0-360, 180HP and the nose of the plane
is very low to the ground. Nough of that, OK, Switch off, throttle closed, mixture
lean, master off, and a push on the plane to see if the brakes are holding.
All was confirmed by the pilot.
When I pulled through the 5th blade the engine started and ran for about 10 seconds
then ran out of gas. It sure surprised the pilot. In fact, it scared him.
It didn't scare me. I have had this happen to me more than one other time.
I always assume that the engine will start anytime I put my hands on a blade.
It can folks.
I managed to talk the pilot into pushing the plane to my hangar so we can charge
the battery and try to figure out why a mag was hot. Long story short. His
mag switch was bad, (very bad). When the switch was in the both position, both
mags were hot (good). When the switch was On the left mag, both mags were
hot (not good). When the switch was on the right mag, the right mag was hot and
the left mag was off (good). When the switch was in the off position, the
right mag was still hot and the left mag was off (Very bad). This was why the
plane started.
Conclusion,
I gave him a tip that I use before shut down. I will momentarily switch the mags
to the off position to verify that the engine quits, then turn it back to the
both position so the engine keeps running. Then I will shut down with the
mixture control. If you have a problem with the mags not shutting off, this will
tell you and you can get it fixed before someone gets hurt. We put the cowl
back on and he flew home. He said he will be ordering a new switch from Spruce
as soon as he got home.
Be careful and prepared around all props everyone.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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