Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-ob
February 24, 2015 - March 18, 2015
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| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
Mike, if it didn't help him it certainly helped me. I'm going to archive
that so that I will remember when I get ready to build a gas tank. Could
you give me the dimensions of your tank? Thanks, Chuck
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
> Andy,
>
>
> Welcome to the list. My two cents on your ideas of a wing tank and heade
r
> tank---no need for either. Simply fabricate a large nose tank
>
> for right behind your firewall and you will reap the following advantages
:
>
>
> 1) your wing center section can be used entirely for baggage.
> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy.htm
>
> 2) you=99ll never need a ladder to get up to fuel your center
section
> tank.
>
> 3) you=99ll never spill fuel from filling your wing tank into
your
> cockpit
>
> 4) you=99ll have about 2 hours, with generous reserves with a
large
> nose tank.
>
> 5) My nose tank is 17 gallons and I have flown 2 hour 30 minute legs
> which his ridiculous but it can be done.
>
> 6) you=99ll eliminate extra fuel lines, shutoff valves, fittin
gs, and
> weight.
>
> 7) you will be able to fill your tank standing on the ground,
> without a ladder if necessary or from fuel cans of your choice.
>
>
> As others have mentioned, you can still install a spartan front cockpit
> and have a very large baggage capacity if you are going cross country
> without
>
> a passenger. I installed a removable control stick in the front (slip
> fits into the stick socket if my passenger would like to fly) and had a
> local upholstery
>
> shop sew up a black canvas U-shaped sack that snaps all the way around th
e
> perimeter of my front cockpit to hold my camping gear and other essential
>
> things like pillow and teddy bear and snacks and such. Lots of room up
> there=94you=99d be amazed what you can carry between your ope
n center section
> and
>
> front cockpit sling. I also had the upholstery shop sew up two genuine
> fake leather Rich Corinthian (did I mention fake?) leather cockpit covers
> that keep all
>
> my stuff from flying out of the front cockpit and to cover up the cockpit
s
> while parked overnight at fly-in=99s. I hope this helps!
>
>
> Mike C.
>
> Ohio
>
>
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| From: | woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Andy-- storage space and fuel |
I'll vouch for Mike Cuy's comments on the fuselage tank. I went the same wa
y with a tank in the nose. I see Mark Chouinard is doing the same thing. I
ended up with 16 gallons, and I call the last 5 non-usable. This gives me 2
/12 hours of endurance which exceeds the endurance of my butt. I do notice
a small trim change as the fuel burns off but it's not noticeable holding
the stick. My airplane doesn't have a trim system and with a full tank, wil
l begin to go nose-down hands off. But at about a half tank, it's stable. A
t low fuel, there's a tail heavy moment.
It's close enough to being in trim that if I put my arms outside the cockpi
t and forward, the nose goes down, If you put them back, it goes up.
I like having the center section baggage compartment and found a small flat
soft bag that fits in there just fine. I keep chocks, cockpit covers, a fe
w tools and tie-downs up there.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles N. Campbell <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 24, 2015 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Andy-- storage space and fuel
Mike, if it didn't help him it certainly helped me. I'm going to archive t
hat so that I will remember when I get ready to build a gas tank. Could yo
u give me the dimensions of your tank? Thanks, Chuck
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partner
s, LLC] wrote:
Andy,
Welcome to the list. My two cents on your ideas of a wing tank and header
tank---no need for either. Simply fabricate a large nose tank
for right behind your firewall and you will reap the following advantages:
1) your wing center section can be used entirely for baggage. http:
//www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy.htm
2) you=99ll never need a ladder to get up to fuel your center se
ction tank.
3) you=99ll never spill fuel from filling your wing tank into yo
ur cockpit
4) you=99ll have about 2 hours, with generous reserves with a la
rge nose tank.
5) My nose tank is 17 gallons and I have flown 2 hour 30 minute legs w
hich his ridiculous but it can be done.
6) you=99ll eliminate extra fuel lines, shutoff valves, fittings
, and weight.
7) you will be able to fill your tank standing on the ground, without
a ladder if necessary or from fuel cans of your choice.
As others have mentioned, you can still install a spartan front cockpit and
have a very large baggage capacity if you are going cross country without
a passenger. I installed a removable control stick in the front (slip fi
ts into the stick socket if my passenger would like to fly) and had a loca
l upholstery
shop sew up a black canvas U-shaped sack that snaps all the way around the
perimeter of my front cockpit to hold my camping gear and other essential
things like pillow and teddy bear and snacks and such. Lots of room up th
ere=94you=99d be amazed what you can carry between your open ce
nter section and
front cockpit sling. I also had the upholstery shop sew up two genuine fa
ke leather Rich Corinthian (did I mention fake?) leather cockpit covers tha
t keep all
my stuff from flying out of the front cockpit and to cover up the cockpits
while parked overnight at fly-in=99s. I hope this helps!
Mike C.
Ohio
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| From: | Charles Burkholder <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VNE at cruise- bungees versus springs landing |
gear
Thankyou for your input everyone. I am going with the steel spring
setup. I have watched people work on bungee's and have no desire to have
them.
On 2/20/2015 9:39 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>
> Glen,
>
> Here is a link to a discussion about the replacement of bungees with die springs
written a while back by William Wynne-
>
> http://flycorvair.net/2012/10/27/new-die-spring-landing-gear-on-a-pietenpol-10-a-m-4-p-m/
>
> Below is a copy of the page of the catalog in which I have noted the die springs
I ordered. They were , if memory serves, around $85 or $90, cheaper than I
could find anywhere else. The contact info as at the bottom of the page.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438541#438541
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/diamondwirecatalog_dragged_177.pdf
>
>
> -----
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>
>
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Visit my blog @ http://missionmechfund.blogspot.ca/
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| From: | George Abernathy <avionixoz(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
I like your thinking. =0AG
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| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
I followed Mike's good advice and am glad I did. Front combings are 10.5 in
ches above the longerons with the tank holding 18.5 gals. Very simple and e
asy to engineer/install.
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario.
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 24, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, L
LC] wrote:
>
> Andy,
>
> Welcome to the list. My two cents on your ideas of a wing tank and header
tank---no need for either. Simply fabricate a large nose tank
> for right behind your firewall and you will reap the following advantages:
>
> 1) your wing center section can be used entirely for baggage. http:
//www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy.htm
> 2) you=99ll never need a ladder to get up to fuel your center s
ection tank.
> 3) you=99ll never spill fuel from filling your wing tank into y
our cockpit
> 4) you=99ll have about 2 hours, with generous reserves with a l
arge nose tank.
> 5) My nose tank is 17 gallons and I have flown 2 hour 30 minute legs w
hich his ridiculous but it can be done.
> 6) you=99ll eliminate extra fuel lines, shutoff valves, fitting
s, and weight.
> 7) you will be able to fill your tank standing on the ground, without
a ladder if necessary or from fuel cans of your choice.
>
>
> As others have mentioned, you can still install a spartan front cockpit an
d have a very large baggage capacity if you are going cross country without
> a passenger. I installed a removable control stick in the front (slip f
its into the stick socket if my passenger would like to fly) and had a loca
l upholstery
> shop sew up a black canvas U-shaped sack that snaps all the way around the
perimeter of my front cockpit to hold my camping gear and other essential
> things like pillow and teddy bear and snacks and such. Lots of room up t
here=94you=99d be amazed what you can carry between your open ce
nter section and
> front cockpit sling. I also had the upholstery shop sew up two genuine f
ake leather Rich Corinthian (did I mention fake?) leather cockpit covers tha
t keep all
> my stuff from flying out of the front cockpit and to cover up the cockpits
while parked overnight at fly-in=99s. I hope this helps!
>
> Mike C.
> Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
I followed Mike's good advice and am glad I did. Front combings are 10.5 in
ches above the longerons with the tank holding 18.5 gals. Very simple and e
asy to engineer/install.
Scott Knowlton
Burlington Ontario.
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 24, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, L
LC] wrote:
>
> Andy,
>
> Welcome to the list. My two cents on your ideas of a wing tank and header
tank---no need for either. Simply fabricate a large nose tank
> for right behind your firewall and you will reap the following advantages:
>
> 1) your wing center section can be used entirely for baggage. http:
//www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20Cuy%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy.htm
> 2) you=99ll never need a ladder to get up to fuel your center s
ection tank.
> 3) you=99ll never spill fuel from filling your wing tank into y
our cockpit
> 4) you=99ll have about 2 hours, with generous reserves with a l
arge nose tank.
> 5) My nose tank is 17 gallons and I have flown 2 hour 30 minute legs w
hich his ridiculous but it can be done.
> 6) you=99ll eliminate extra fuel lines, shutoff valves, fitting
s, and weight.
> 7) you will be able to fill your tank standing on the ground, without
a ladder if necessary or from fuel cans of your choice.
>
>
> As others have mentioned, you can still install a spartan front cockpit an
d have a very large baggage capacity if you are going cross country without
> a passenger. I installed a removable control stick in the front (slip f
its into the stick socket if my passenger would like to fly) and had a loca
l upholstery
> shop sew up a black canvas U-shaped sack that snaps all the way around the
perimeter of my front cockpit to hold my camping gear and other essential
> things like pillow and teddy bear and snacks and such. Lots of room up t
here=94you=99d be amazed what you can carry between your open ce
nter section and
> front cockpit sling. I also had the upholstery shop sew up two genuine f
ake leather Rich Corinthian (did I mention fake?) leather cockpit covers tha
t keep all
> my stuff from flying out of the front cockpit and to cover up the cockpits
while parked overnight at fly-in=99s. I hope this helps!
>
> Mike C.
> Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett(at)live.com> |
Well, that's just pretty obvious, isn't it?
I'm left wondering why anyone would do it the other way.
This doesn't require a pump does it? Still gravity feed--yes?
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438682#438682
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
Let me give the response from the Loyal Opposition:
A nose tank is a good solution, but does have its drawbacks:
1. Pressure head. With a gravity fuel system (no fuel pumps) the
recommended head above the carburetor at minimum fuel is 17". One of the
worst things that can happen is to be at very low fuel and be on short final
when some idiot in a Cessna pulls out onto the runway to takeoff (having
just announced his intentions on the radio, assuming everyone has a radio
and uses it). You shove the throttle forward, haul back on the stick and
the engine sputters and quits because there is not enough pressure head to
flow sufficient fuel to the carburetor. That's why one of the critical
tests you need to make before your first flight is a fuel flow test with the
tailwheel set in a hole several inches below ground level, simulating the
maximum angle of climb you might ever need.
2. Loss of easy to access baggage space. With my fuel tank in the
centersection, I have a very nice baggage compartment big enough to hold a
tent, a sleeping bag, an airmattress and a small duffle bag, in addition to
the chocks and tie downs I always carry. And I can access that baggage
compartment without a ladder. I don't see how you can carry much of a tent
in the centersection, since it's only about 5" tall at the most. I've seen
the tent Mike Cuy uses. My dog wouldn't fit in it. And it's a very small
dog.
3. With the tank in the centersection CG changes with fuel burn are minimal
and are not noticeable.
4. With the tank in the nose it is difficult to provide a sump drain that
can be easily reached to check for water in the gas. With a centersection
tank the sump drains (you need one at the lowest point of the tank, and if
the tank is flat, you'll need one on each side at the rear of the tank) are
easy to check when pre-flighting the airplane. Of course, you'll also need
a drain at the gascolator, which should be at the lowest point of the fuel
system. Building a nose tank that won't trap water in a low point is
difficult, and relying on the gascolator to show you all trapped water is
dangerous
5. We can start a discussion about whether it is good to have a lap full of
fuel in the event of a crash, but I'm not sure which is worse - a lap full
of fuel or a face full of fuel. I think the dynamics of each and every
crash are different and it is not possible to find a place for a fuel tank
that is totally crashworthy.
6. When refueling with a nose tank you can get careless, knowing that your
butt will stay dry even if you run the tank over. You'll only do that once
with a centersection tank. Then you'll learn to refuel much more carefully
(ask me how I know).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Garrett
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 7:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel
-->
Well, that's just pretty obvious, isn't it?
I'm left wondering why anyone would do it the other way.
This doesn't require a pump does it? Still gravity feed--yes?
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438682#438682
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| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Gotta Love Experimental. Three good solutions. 1. Dual tanks, 2. Big
nose tank, 3. Big wing tank. All three rationally considered and planned.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:10 PM, Jack Philips
wrote:
> jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
>
> Let me give the response from the Loyal Opposition:
>
> A nose tank is a good solution, but does have its drawbacks:
>
> 1. Pressure head. With a gravity fuel system (no fuel pumps) the
> recommended head above the carburetor at minimum fuel is 17". One of the
> worst things that can happen is to be at very low fuel and be on short
> final
> when some idiot in a Cessna pulls out onto the runway to takeoff (having
> just announced his intentions on the radio, assuming everyone has a radio
> and uses it). You shove the throttle forward, haul back on the stick and
> the engine sputters and quits because there is not enough pressure head to
> flow sufficient fuel to the carburetor. That's why one of the critical
> tests you need to make before your first flight is a fuel flow test with
> the
> tailwheel set in a hole several inches below ground level, simulating the
> maximum angle of climb you might ever need.
>
> 2. Loss of easy to access baggage space. With my fuel tank in the
> centersection, I have a very nice baggage compartment big enough to hold a
> tent, a sleeping bag, an airmattress and a small duffle bag, in addition to
> the chocks and tie downs I always carry. And I can access that baggage
> compartment without a ladder. I don't see how you can carry much of a tent
> in the centersection, since it's only about 5" tall at the most. I've seen
> the tent Mike Cuy uses. My dog wouldn't fit in it. And it's a very small
> dog.
>
> 3. With the tank in the centersection CG changes with fuel burn are
> minimal
> and are not noticeable.
>
> 4. With the tank in the nose it is difficult to provide a sump drain that
> can be easily reached to check for water in the gas. With a centersection
> tank the sump drains (you need one at the lowest point of the tank, and if
> the tank is flat, you'll need one on each side at the rear of the tank) are
> easy to check when pre-flighting the airplane. Of course, you'll also need
> a drain at the gascolator, which should be at the lowest point of the fuel
> system. Building a nose tank that won't trap water in a low point is
> difficult, and relying on the gascolator to show you all trapped water is
> dangerous
>
> 5. We can start a discussion about whether it is good to have a lap full
> of
> fuel in the event of a crash, but I'm not sure which is worse - a lap full
> of fuel or a face full of fuel. I think the dynamics of each and every
> crash are different and it is not possible to find a place for a fuel tank
> that is totally crashworthy.
>
> 6. When refueling with a nose tank you can get careless, knowing that your
> butt will stay dry even if you run the tank over. You'll only do that once
> with a centersection tank. Then you'll learn to refuel much more carefully
> (ask me how I know).
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy
> Garrett
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 7:19 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel
>
> -->
>
> Well, that's just pretty obvious, isn't it?
>
> I'm left wondering why anyone would do it the other way.
>
> This doesn't require a pump does it? Still gravity feed--yes?
>
> --------
> Andy Garrett
> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
> Haysville, Kansas
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438682#438682
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | danhelsper(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Four-bladed prop |
WF2,
Thank you for all your advice. I momentarily considered slicing-up my too-wide
blades, in order to increase efficiency, and make it look like a Cub, but then
in about a millisecond came to my senses and decided against. Then I got to pondering
(that's what we do down here in W. Tennessee) wondering why Hartzell,
the hard-core air racers, military transports, commercial turboprops etc. do
not use a single-bladed prop since it the most efficient design. The conclusion
I came up with was, that those props need some way to harness all that horsepower
from those engines, and after some thought, figured that that is precisely
why I also needed four blades.
Dan Helsper
Loensloe Airfield
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: womenfly2 <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 24, 2015 9:14 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Four-bladed prop
Solidity is simply the ratio of the total blade area
of the propeller to the disk swept out when the prop turns. The blade area is
roughly the length (called the radius) times the width (called the
chord).
More solidity = less efficiency.
Generally speaking, the more
blades, the less efficient the propeller...for cruise.
Of course, a whole lot
depends on the blade cross section, width, length, rotational speed, etc.
So
think of it like this: The blades of a propeller interact with each other, in a
manner which decreases efficiency. If you think of the blades as wings, each
blade will be operating in the downwash and disturbed wake from the preceding
blades. More blades mean more interaction means less efficient.
Four blades
are fine but thin out the blade chord width like a Cub
prop.
WF2
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | nose tank---gravity fed |
Andy,
Yes, my A-65 is all gravity fed with no need for a fuel pump.
I highly suggest to follow the gravity fuel flow test that Tony Bingelis ou
tlines in his homebuilder book series because that way
you know exactly how much useable and unusable fuel you have in your tank.
For a full-power, nose high (takeoff climb attitude) for my engine I can sa
fely operate (according to the calculations I gleaned from Tony's books and
test suggestions)
down to 1.3 gallons remaining of my 17 gallon capacity. I never cut my f
uel this low but at least I know when the fuel flow rate becomes insufficie
nt to keep the carb
fed.
I basically built my plane with a phone, a credit card, and the Tony Bingel
is books. The Bingelis books are worth their weight in gold for any homeb
uider---a bit dated but
airworthiness never gets out of date really.
And Chuck Campbell, I'm sorry but I don't have dimensions for my fuel tank
but basically I followed the shape of my front cockpit instrument panel ra
dius (though I raised
my instrument panels 1" higher than plans.) and then made the bottom of it
slope forward at about the same angle and a little above as the front seat
passenger's legs
would be positioned.
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| Subject: | Re: Four-bladed prop |
| From: | "dwilson" <marwilson(at)charter.net> |
Makes sense to me ! They did the same thing with the spitfire. Two blades, then
three, then four, then five, then the contra rotating. You have that God given
Pietenpol grin even when your not flying ! Now get started on the five blade
model to harness all that Ford horsepower !
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | airlion2(at)gmail.com |
One good solution is to strap a tent or whatever you wantunder the wing, I d
id and itdoesn,t change the flight characteristics.
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:11 PM, Steven Dortch wr
ote:
>
> Gotta Love Experimental. Three good solutions. 1. Dual tanks, 2. Big nose t
ank, 3. Big wing tank. All three rationally considered and planned.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:10 PM, Jack Philips w
rote:
s.com>
>>
>> Let me give the response from the Loyal Opposition:
>>
>> A nose tank is a good solution, but does have its drawbacks:
>>
>> 1. Pressure head. With a gravity fuel system (no fuel pumps) the
>> recommended head above the carburetor at minimum fuel is 17". One of the
>> worst things that can happen is to be at very low fuel and be on short fi
nal
>> when some idiot in a Cessna pulls out onto the runway to takeoff (having
>> just announced his intentions on the radio, assuming everyone has a radio
>> and uses it). You shove the throttle forward, haul back on the stick and
>> the engine sputters and quits because there is not enough pressure head t
o
>> flow sufficient fuel to the carburetor. That's why one of the critical
>> tests you need to make before your first flight is a fuel flow test with t
he
>> tailwheel set in a hole several inches below ground level, simulating the
>> maximum angle of climb you might ever need.
>>
>> 2. Loss of easy to access baggage space. With my fuel tank in the
>> centersection, I have a very nice baggage compartment big enough to hold a
>> tent, a sleeping bag, an airmattress and a small duffle bag, in addition t
o
>> the chocks and tie downs I always carry. And I can access that baggage
>> compartment without a ladder. I don't see how you can carry much of a te
nt
>> in the centersection, since it's only about 5" tall at the most. I've se
en
>> the tent Mike Cuy uses. My dog wouldn't fit in it. And it's a very smal
l
>> dog.
>>
>> 3. With the tank in the centersection CG changes with fuel burn are mini
mal
>> and are not noticeable.
>>
>> 4. With the tank in the nose it is difficult to provide a sump drain tha
t
>> can be easily reached to check for water in the gas. With a centersectio
n
>> tank the sump drains (you need one at the lowest point of the tank, and i
f
>> the tank is flat, you'll need one on each side at the rear of the tank) a
re
>> easy to check when pre-flighting the airplane. Of course, you'll also ne
ed
>> a drain at the gascolator, which should be at the lowest point of the fue
l
>> system. Building a nose tank that won't trap water in a low point is
>> difficult, and relying on the gascolator to show you all trapped water is
>> dangerous
>>
>> 5. We can start a discussion about whether it is good to have a lap full
of
>> fuel in the event of a crash, but I'm not sure which is worse - a lap ful
l
>> of fuel or a face full of fuel. I think the dynamics of each and every
>> crash are different and it is not possible to find a place for a fuel tan
k
>> that is totally crashworthy.
>>
>> 6. When refueling with a nose tank you can get careless, knowing that yo
ur
>> butt will stay dry even if you run the tank over. You'll only do that on
ce
>> with a centersection tank. Then you'll learn to refuel much more careful
ly
>> (ask me how I know).
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Garr
ett
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 7:19 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel
>>
>> -->
>>
>> Well, that's just pretty obvious, isn't it?
>>
>> I'm left wondering why anyone would do it the other way.
>>
>> This doesn't require a pump does it? Still gravity feed--yes?
>>
>> --------
>> Andy Garrett
>> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
>> Haysville, Kansas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438682#438682
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> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: nose tank---gravity fed |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
This is amazing. Now that I see the sketches of how Mikee did it, I realize that
the fuel tank, float, outlet, valve, and everything aft of the firewall on
NX41CC is nearly identical to what is shown in the sketches, down to the tensioning
strap across the top and everything in-between. My tank holds 16 gallons
but I have never actually run the Bingelis test to determine unusable fuel...
I ran the Zuniga test, where you fly it to fuel exhaustion. I do not recommend
this test method unless you are interested in methods for assisted suicide
(legal in Oregon but not in Texas, where I inadvertently ran the test).
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
Just as a point of interest: had a friend who commuted to Chico State Colleg
e in a Cub. He strapped a bicycle to the struts so he could ride from the ai
rport (Ranchero) to the campus, 1.5 miles! He said the plane flew the same w
ith, or without the bike...slowly!
Ray
Krause
Covering SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 25, 2015, at 12:28 PM, airlion2(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
> One good solution is to strap a tent or whatever you wantunder the wing, I
did and itdoesn,t change the flight characteristics.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:11 PM, Steven Dortch w
rote:
>>
>> Gotta Love Experimental. Three good solutions. 1. Dual tanks, 2. Big nose
tank, 3. Big wing tank. All three rationally considered and planned.
>>
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:10 PM, Jack Philips
wrote:
gs.com>
>>>
>>> Let me give the response from the Loyal Opposition:
>>>
>>> A nose tank is a good solution, but does have its drawbacks:
>>>
>>> 1. Pressure head. With a gravity fuel system (no fuel pumps) the
>>> recommended head above the carburetor at minimum fuel is 17". One of th
e
>>> worst things that can happen is to be at very low fuel and be on short f
inal
>>> when some idiot in a Cessna pulls out onto the runway to takeoff (having
>>> just announced his intentions on the radio, assuming everyone has a radi
o
>>> and uses it). You shove the throttle forward, haul back on the stick an
d
>>> the engine sputters and quits because there is not enough pressure head t
o
>>> flow sufficient fuel to the carburetor. That's why one of the critical
>>> tests you need to make before your first flight is a fuel flow test with
the
>>> tailwheel set in a hole several inches below ground level, simulating th
e
>>> maximum angle of climb you might ever need.
>>>
>>> 2. Loss of easy to access baggage space. With my fuel tank in the
>>> centersection, I have a very nice baggage compartment big enough to hold
a
>>> tent, a sleeping bag, an airmattress and a small duffle bag, in addition
to
>>> the chocks and tie downs I always carry. And I can access that baggage
>>> compartment without a ladder. I don't see how you can carry much of a t
ent
>>> in the centersection, since it's only about 5" tall at the most. I've s
een
>>> the tent Mike Cuy uses. My dog wouldn't fit in it. And it's a very sma
ll
>>> dog.
>>>
>>> 3. With the tank in the centersection CG changes with fuel burn are min
imal
>>> and are not noticeable.
>>>
>>> 4. With the tank in the nose it is difficult to provide a sump drain th
at
>>> can be easily reached to check for water in the gas. With a centersecti
on
>>> tank the sump drains (you need one at the lowest point of the tank, and i
f
>>> the tank is flat, you'll need one on each side at the rear of the tank) a
re
>>> easy to check when pre-flighting the airplane. Of course, you'll also n
eed
>>> a drain at the gascolator, which should be at the lowest point of the fu
el
>>> system. Building a nose tank that won't trap water in a low point is
>>> difficult, and relying on the gascolator to show you all trapped water i
s
>>> dangerous
>>>
>>> 5. We can start a discussion about whether it is good to have a lap ful
l of
>>> fuel in the event of a crash, but I'm not sure which is worse - a lap fu
ll
>>> of fuel or a face full of fuel. I think the dynamics of each and every
>>> crash are different and it is not possible to find a place for a fuel ta
nk
>>> that is totally crashworthy.
>>>
>>> 6. When refueling with a nose tank you can get careless, knowing that y
our
>>> butt will stay dry even if you run the tank over. You'll only do that o
nce
>>> with a centersection tank. Then you'll learn to refuel much more carefu
lly
>>> (ask me how I know).
>>>
>>> Jack Phillips
>>> NX899JP
>>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Gar
rett
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 7:19 PM
>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel
>>>
>>> -->
>>>
>>> Well, that's just pretty obvious, isn't it?
>>>
>>> I'm left wondering why anyone would do it the other way.
>>>
>>> This doesn't require a pump does it? Still gravity feed--yes?
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Andy Garrett
>>> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
>>> Haysville, Kansas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438682#438682
>>>
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>> Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett(at)live.com> |
More excellent points. I suspect this will be a trend--multiple solutions to challenges.
To be clear..., a 'header tank' is just a smaller tank in the nose which is fed
by the wing tank. Yes?
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Andy;
My answer to your question about a header tank is just my answer-"yes", but to
elaborate, I consider a header tank to be one that doesn't have its own filler
cap and so it is filled from the main tank by the pilot's manipulation of valves.
If I could possibly stretch an aviation regulation that says there must
be a quantity indicator for each fuel tank, I would further stretch things by
saying that header tanks don't usually have quantity indicators. You have a
fuel gauge for the main tank, but once it feeds into the header tank you don't
typically have a readout of what's in that tank. Anyone else care to comment?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Four-bladed prop |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
WF2, I'm with you on the principle of one blade's interfering with the aerodynamic
efficiency of those that follow it in the arc. As I understand it, the trend
towards 4-, 5-, and 6-blade props on the fast twins and turboprops has more
to do with noise than with efficiency, although there is no arguing with the
airlines' desire to move the most load while burning the least amount of fuel.
That said, I hope you'll concede the point that on this list at least, appearance
(and aesthetics) carry almost as much weight as efficiency? We never were
about efficiency here, or else we would have come up with a fast glass parallel
to the traditional Air Camper much as "Lionheart" is to the Beech Staggerwing.
The 4-bladed wood prop that a builder carves by hand says so much more
than a Prince P-tip says about the airplane... and I'm saying this as an Air
Camper owner/pilot who owns a perfectly good (and probably more efficient) P-Tip
but has not yet had the heart to install it on my airplane instead of the laminated
wood Tennessee Props stick that is on it.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | CLIF DAWSON <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
Really large bump in the fuel line.=C2- :-)
Clif
----- Original Message -----
To be clear..., a 'header tank' is just a smaller tank in the nose which is
fed by the wing tank. Yes?
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | Peter Johnson <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
Andy,
Don=B9t forget to vent it so that the vent is higher than the centre section
tank vent.
I also reversed the direction of the header tank vent so that the pressure
inside the header tank was less that the head of the main tank. I originall
y
had the vent facing forward and the pressure generated didn=B9t allow fuel to
flow from the main tank into the header tank. A bit disconcerting=8A.
This how I did mine.
http://www.cpc-world.com/images/fuel%20system.jpg
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
From: CLIF DAWSON <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Thursday, 26 February 2015 6:30 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel
Really large bump in the fuel line. :-)
Clif
To be clear..., a 'header tank' is just a smaller tank in the nose which is
fed by the wing tank. Yes?
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: Four-bladed prop |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
Its all about the math. Prop design is about Engine HP, torque, RPM, speed, etc.
The reason multiple blades are use is not for noise but for turning the HP into
thrust. Noise reduction has to do with blade design profiles.
Anyway have fun .... your 4-blade prop will need to be thin and small in diameter
to get the thrust you need, but you will find that out as you experiment.
Based on my Model-A engines HP and other known facts, my propeller calculations
for the 2nd prop I carved was this one. Its the one we flew with.
Here is some in site: Simplified propeller design for low-powered airplanes
https://archive.org/stream/nasa_techdoc_19930080999/19930080999#page/n3/mode/2up
Cheers ... I will be quite now.
WF2
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| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, A header tank is a tank behind the engine/in front of the front
instrument panel that is fed by the wing tank.
However, for lack of a better term, people (including me) often call all
tanks behind the engine/in front of the front instrument panel, a header
tank.
Mine is not a header tank. I have a wing tank and a tank in front of the
front instrument panel/behind the engine that feed separately. I have a
fuel tank lever that has two off positions and one Wing tank position and
one "header" tank position.
True confessions. We put the lever on the valve so long ago that I can't
remember if the handle points to the tank or the little pointer on the knob
points to the correct tank. I guess I will figure that out during the fuel
flow tests.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Four-bladed prop |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
The Show "How it is made" on the discovery channel has a section about "how
propellers are made." It is really good and shows Tennessee Propellers Inc.
making a wood prop. Worth watching.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 6:50 AM, womenfly2 wrote:
>
> Its all about the math. Prop design is about Engine HP, torque, RPM,
> speed, etc.
>
> The reason multiple blades are use is not for noise but for turning the HP
> into thrust. Noise reduction has to do with blade design profiles.
>
> Anyway have fun .... your 4-blade prop will need to be thin and small in
> diameter to get the thrust you need, but you will find that out as you
> experiment.
>
> Based on my Model-A engines HP and other known facts, my propeller
> calculations for the 2nd prop I carved was this one. Its the one we flew
> with.
>
> Here is some in site: Simplified propeller design for low-powered airplanes
>
> https://archive.org/stream/nasa_techdoc_19930080999/19930080999#page/n3/mode/2up
>
>
> Cheers ... I will be quite now.
> WF2
>
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Steve D
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
=9CTrue confessions. We put the lever on the valve so long ago
that I can't remember if the handle points to the tank or the little
pointer on the knob points to the correct tank.=9D
Sorry to pick on this statement, Steve, but I couldn=99t help
thinking about the inexperienced, or rusty pilot (like me), flying his
new Pietenpol for the first time, and having to worry about fuel
management.
What happens the first time that engine coughs on takeoff?
It=99s just my opinion, but, whether a builder designs and builds
a beautiful 15 gallon nose tank, like Mark=99s, or a 16 gallon
center section tank like mine, the Pietenpol does not need any more
fueland definitely not multiple tanks. In other words, one
large tank is better than two smaller onesagain, just my
opinion.
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
Dortch
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel
Yes, A header tank is a tank behind the engine/in front of the front
instrument panel that is fed by the wing tank.
However, for lack of a better term, people (including me) often call all
tanks behind the engine/in front of the front instrument panel, a header
tank.
Mine is not a header tank. I have a wing tank and a tank in front of the
front instrument panel/behind the engine that feed separately. I have a
fuel tank lever that has two off positions and one Wing tank position
and one "header" tank position.
True confessions. We put the lever on the valve so long ago that I can't
remember if the handle points to the tank or the little pointer on the
knob points to the correct tank. I guess I will figure that out during
the fuel flow tests.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: nose tank---gravity fed |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
Mike, one more question -- two really. 1.) What thickness aluminum did you
use for the tank? and 2) Did you weld it or rivet it with sealer in the
joints? I was just wondering if it would be practical to even consider
riveting. If I rivet, I'll get the rivets and rivet puller from Zenith. I
like the way their rivets look after installing.
Your buddy flew the BIG ones. I was a fighter pilot in the Navy, flying
off the USS Hancock, CV-19. I got about 75 carrier landings in the F6F
Hellcat. Thanks for the information. Chuck
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
> Andy,
>
>
> Yes, my A-65 is all gravity fed with no need for a fuel pump.
>
>
> I highly suggest to follow the gravity fuel flow test that Tony Bingelis
> outlines in his homebuilder book series because that way
>
> you know exactly how much useable and unusable fuel you have in your tank
.
>
>
> For a full-power, nose high (takeoff climb attitude) for my engine I can
> safely operate (according to the calculations I gleaned from Tony
=99s books
> and test suggestions)
>
> down to 1.3 gallons remaining of my 17 gallon capacity. I never cut my
> fuel this low but at least I know when the fuel flow rate becomes
> insufficient to keep the carb
>
> fed.
>
>
> I basically built my plane with a phone, a credit card, and the Tony
> Bingelis books. The Bingelis books are worth their weight in gold for a
ny
> homebuider---a bit dated but
>
> airworthiness never gets out of date really.
>
>
> And Chuck Campbell, I=99m sorry but I don=99t have dimension
s for my fuel
> tank but basically I followed the shape of my front cockpit instrument
> panel radius (though I raised
>
> my instrument panels 1=9D higher than plans.) and then made the bot
tom of it
> slope forward at about the same angle and a little above as the front sea
t
> passenger=99s legs
>
> would be positioned.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Four-bladed prop |
On 02/23/2015 10:22 AM, Dave Abramson wrote:
> VERY COOL DAN!!!!!!
Actually, I think it's VERY COLD in TN, today.
Dan - If you forgot your snow shovel up here, you can always use your
new prop to dig out...
:-D
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
Why not just have a fuel indicator in the "header" tank. That way it would
always read "Full" until the "main tank" runs dry and the header starts
feeding the engine without the fuel being replaced from the main tank. C
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:41 AM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Andy;
>
> My answer to your question about a header tank is just my answer-"yes",
> but to elaborate, I consider a header tank to be one that doesn't have its
> own filler cap and so it is filled from the main tank by the pilot's
> manipulation of valves. If I could possibly stretch an aviation regulation
> that says there must be a quantity indicator for each fuel tank, I would
> further stretch things by saying that header tanks don't usually have
> quantity indicators. You have a fuel gauge for the main tank, but once it
> feeds into the header tank you don't typically have a readout of what's in
> that tank. Anyone else care to comment?
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438753#438753
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
If you have used all fuel from your main tank and lets say half from your
header tank, when you refuel you may have to pause to allow the fuel from
the main to flow to the header through the connecting hose before filling
the main tank.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:41 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Andy;
>
> My answer to your question about a header tank is just my answer-"yes",
> but to elaborate, I consider a header tank to be one that doesn't have its
> own filler cap and so it is filled from the main tank by the pilot's
> manipulation of valves. If I could possibly stretch an aviation regulation
> that says there must be a quantity indicator for each fuel tank, I would
> further stretch things by saying that header tanks don't usually have
> quantity indicators. You have a fuel gauge for the main tank, but once it
> feeds into the header tank you don't typically have a readout of what's in
> that tank. Anyone else care to comment?
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438753#438753
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Gary, My point was that I don't remember which way it was put on. It is my
intent to make it like the tank selector in my Bonanza. the little red
arrow will point to the tank not the handle But I don't know which way the
"knob" was installed, So I will have to check. The Red arrow should be
obvious. Each detent will be marked with a sticker. "Off, Off, "Wing tank"
and "Front tank."
I bought a really nice new interior for my Vtail out of a salvaged
plane. The new owner got in an argument with his mechanic and took off
without the tank markers in place. He ran his left wing tank out of fuel
and could not figure out where the detents were. He landed in a corn field,
gear up, totaled the plane. I am very conscious of fuel management.
OT In my Vtail Bonanza you manage a fuel system 3 tank system that pumps 14
gallons per hour to the pressure carb (like a Throttle Body Injector)
which burns about 9.5 GPH in cruse. The remaining 3.5 gallons are returned
to the left wing tank. (So you must burn fuel from the left tank first to
make room for this fuel return, otherwise it pumps fuel overboard.)
In flight I burn almost all of the fuel out of my left tank, 18 gallons
useable, I switch at 1 hour and 45 min, then I go to my Aux tank (behind
the rear seat in the baggage compartment), until it is close to empty, 20
gallons useable, about 1 hour 40 min. Which has returned 5+ gallons to the
left wing tank. (Please note, I plan 3 hour trips as a rule, at 3 hours
someone has to get out and pee and the pilot needs a break. 3 hours is
about 450 miles plus.) Then I burn fuel out of the right wing tank (18
gallons useable about 1 hour and 40 min), which returns another 5+ gallons
to the left tank. At that point I should be about 700 miles down the road
and be landing on the left tank with over an hour of reserve fuel in the
left tank.
It is perfectly safe to run each tank until it is totally empty and the
engine starts to die, the engine starts up when the tank is switched, but
that really stresses passengers and I don't like the VERY LOUD SILENCE!. So
I have timed the tanks and switch just a little early (within 5 min.)
Some V-tails have 5 tanks (two mains, two tip tanks and an Aux tank. and a
few have up to 7 tanks with two more outboard wing tanks. for all of these
tanks the extra fuel is returned to the left tank! Some tip systems go
directly to the engine and some feed a wing tank, but you must make room
for that fuel or it will be pumped overboard, some have fuel pumps
themselves. Yes, there is a larger fuel management issue that has caused
pilots to crash due to fuel starvation with fuel in tanks.
Y'all be careful now.
Steve D
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> =9CTrue confessions. We put the lever on the valve so long ago that
I can't
> remember if the handle points to the tank or the little pointer on the kn
ob
> points to the correct tank.=9D
>
>
> Sorry to pick on this statement, Steve, but I couldn=99t help think
ing about
> the inexperienced, or rusty pilot (like me), flying his new Pietenpol for
> the first time, and having to worry about fuel management.
>
>
> What happens the first time that engine coughs on takeoff?
>
>
> It=99s just my opinion, but, whether a builder designs and builds a
> beautiful 15 gallon nose tank, like Mark=99s, or a 16 gallon center
section
> tank like mine, the Pietenpol does not need any more fueland def
initely
> not multiple tanks. In other words, one large tank is better than two
> smaller onesagain, just my opinion.
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> NX308MB
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven Dortch
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:37 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel
>
>
> Yes, A header tank is a tank behind the engine/in front of the front
> instrument panel that is fed by the wing tank.
>
>
> However, for lack of a better term, people (including me) often call all
> tanks behind the engine/in front of the front instrument panel, a header
> tank.
>
>
> Mine is not a header tank. I have a wing tank and a tank in front of the
> front instrument panel/behind the engine that feed separately. I have a
> fuel tank lever that has two off positions and one Wing tank position and
> one "header" tank position.
>
>
> True confessions. We put the lever on the valve so long ago that I can't
> remember if the handle points to the tank or the little pointer on the kn
ob
> points to the correct tank. I guess I will figure that out during the fue
l
> flow tests.
>
>
> Blue Skies,
>
> Steve D
>
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List *
>
> *http://forums.matronics.com *
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution *
>
>
> *
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>
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | small dogs, storage space, and tents |
My good friend and Pietenpol builder/owner/operator Jack Phillips wrote:
2) I have a very nice baggage compartment big enough to hold a tent, a slee
ping bag, an airmattress and a small duffle bag, in addition to the chocks
and tie downs I always carry.
I don't see how you can carry much of a tent in the centersection, since
it's only about 5" tall at the most. I've seen the tent Mike Cuy uses. My
dog wouldn't fit in it. And it's a very small dog.
I hate to be a stickler for the accuracy but in this case I'll make an exce
ption. Jack doesn't actually carry his tent on his trips to Brodhead in th
e Pietenpol but has it delivered to him by a good friend who holds
it at a secret location somewhere in Wisconsin during the rest of the year.
Here's my tent (that Jack's dog wouldn't fit into) that I use when going c
ross country in my Piet. This photo happens to be from Lee Bottom Flying F
ield in Hanover, Indiana in 2008.
Not only does my tent fit in my center section baggage compartment but my a
ir mattress fits up there too with lots of room for other things as well.
I do admit that I have to sleep diagonally in this tent to be comfortable b
ut it works and it is lightweight.
Mike C.
Ohio
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | small dogs, storage space, and tents |
Ah, but Mike I have carried the tent with me in the Pietenpol. You will
recall in 2005 when I first flew mine to Brodhead, with a stop in Cleveland
along the way. That year I did carry everything with me.
Here's a picture of my baggage compartment while under construction, showing
my sleeping bag and tent in place. You can see there's quite a bit of room
left for other stuff.
Here's the baggage compartment with the cowling and baggage door in place:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: small dogs, storage space, and tents
My good friend and Pietenpol builder/owner/operator Jack Phillips wrote:
2) I have a very nice baggage compartment big enough to hold a tent, a
sleeping bag, an airmattress and a small duffle bag, in addition to the
chocks and tie downs I always carry.
I don't see how you can carry much of a tent in the centersection, since
it's only about 5" tall at the most. I've seen the tent Mike Cuy uses. My
dog wouldn't fit in it. And it's a very small dog.
I hate to be a stickler for the accuracy but in this case I'll make an
exception. Jack doesn't actually carry his tent on his trips to Brodhead in
the Pietenpol but has it delivered to him by a good friend who holds
it at a secret location somewhere in Wisconsin during the rest of the year.
Here's my tent (that Jack's dog wouldn't fit into) that I use when going
cross country in my Piet. This photo happens to be from Lee Bottom Flying
Field in Hanover, Indiana in 2008.
Not only does my tent fit in my center section baggage compartment but my
air mattress fits up there too with lots of room for other things as well.
I do admit that I have to sleep diagonally in this tent to be comfortable
but it works and it is lightweight.
Mike C.
Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Toolstock officially underway. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Scott and I each got a couple landings this morning in the yard... Complete with
six inches of snow! Videos later. Hope to get some more flying in on Saturday.
Got confirmation we will be having our first ever fly in guest coming Saturday.
Gardener got in about an hour ago.
Unfortunately had half a dozen guys stuck last night due to road closures, but
all made it in this morning alright.
Already made our first part, to get Scott's broke truck out of the way to start
restoring a jointer for a guy who lost everything in a fire, tools he used to
make a living. Will be pouring babbit nuts for the table adjusting mechanisms.
Tons of great beer and food showing up. Anyone on the fence should hop off and
head over!
Tools
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438780#438780
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | small dogs, storage space, and tents |
You know I thought you carried your tent up there at least one time so that
makes perfect sense! You have more room up there in the nose baggage
section than I knew.
I do recall shipping my suitcase to Wisconsin in 2009 when we did both Brod
head AND the 75th Anniversary of the Pietenpol at Oshkosh because I had so
much stuff that year and then mailed my baggage home from the University of
WI, Oshkosh before flying home.
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| Subject: | Re: Andy-- storage space and fuel |
| From: | "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett(at)live.com> |
I'm not a fan of fuel mangement procedures. The work load in any cockpit is high
enough. That's one of the reasons I like highwings in general. When I bought
my Airbike, that was one of the first mods I made. Previous owner had it set
up for either/or on the wing tanks. That just didn't make sense to me.
Whatever method I employ will be hands off in flight, and there will be no way
to starve the engine as long as there is fuel in the tank(s).
As a basic philosophy, I want engineer the ship to minimize the oportunities for
pilot errors to create hazards.
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438783#438783
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock officially underway. |
| From: | "tonyp51qa" <tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com> |
Hi whats on the agenda for Saturday? I will be attending my first TOOL STOCK on
Saturday. I'm going to start on my Piet very soon.Anything you need me to bring?
Tony
480-748-3470
--------
Tony Crawford
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| Subject: | EAA announces Long-Awaited Aeromedical Reform |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
Bipartisan bill in Senate, EAA asks that we try to get all delegates in Senate
and House to sign on to bills in both houses:
http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/eaa-news-and-aviation-news/2015-news/02-26-2015-second-pilots-bill-of-rights-pushes-long-awaited-aeromedical-reform-forward
And here's the link to the Rally Congress initiative. I did it; very easy.
http://govt.eaa.org
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438788#438788
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock officially underway. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
BEER! Having a great time, looking forward to meeting ya.
Tools
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| From: | "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | nose tank---gravity fed |
Chuck
Have you seen the RV-12=99s 20 gal tank?
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
N. Campbell
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nose tank---gravity fed
Mike, one more question -- two really. 1.) What thickness aluminum did
you use for the tank? and 2) Did you weld it or rivet it with sealer in
the joints? I was just wondering if it would be practical to even
consider riveting. If I rivet, I'll get the rivets and rivet puller
from Zenith. I like the way their rivets look after installing.
Your buddy flew the BIG ones. I was a fighter pilot in the Navy, flying
off the USS Hancock, CV-19. I got about 75 carrier landings in the F6F
Hellcat. Thanks for the information. Chuck
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] >
wrote:
Andy,
Yes, my A-65 is all gravity fed with no need for a fuel pump.
I highly suggest to follow the gravity fuel flow test that Tony Bingelis
outlines in his homebuilder book series because that way
you know exactly how much useable and unusable fuel you have in your
tank.
For a full-power, nose high (takeoff climb attitude) for my engine I can
safely operate (according to the calculations I gleaned from
Tony=99s books and test suggestions)
down to 1.3 gallons remaining of my 17 gallon capacity. I never cut
my fuel this low but at least I know when the fuel flow rate becomes
insufficient to keep the carb
fed.
I basically built my plane with a phone, a credit card, and the Tony
Bingelis books. The Bingelis books are worth their weight in gold for
any homebuider---a bit dated but
airworthiness never gets out of date really.
And Chuck Campbell, I=99m sorry but I don=99t have
dimensions for my fuel tank but basically I followed the shape of my
front cockpit instrument panel radius (though I raised
my instrument panels 1=9D higher than plans.) and then made the
bottom of it slope forward at about the same angle and a little above as
the front seat passenger=99s legs
would be positioned.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Toolstock officially underway. |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
No pics... Didn't happen...
http://youtu.be/WjM19j4PFWs
http://youtu.be/FQpBW1VjdU4
http://youtu.be/j8qRXp6jXL4
Tools
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | EAA announces Long-Awaited Aeromedical Reform |
Thanks Jeff
I Fwd'ed this to our 120 EAA Chapter members
Barry
NX973BP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 7:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA announces Long-Awaited Aeromedical Reform
-->
Bipartisan bill in Senate, EAA asks that we try to get all delegates in
Senate and House to sign on to bills in both houses:
http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/eaa-news-and-aviation-news/2015-news/02-26-2015-se
cond-pilots-bill-of-rights-pushes-long-awaited-aeromedical-reform-forward
And here's the link to the Rally Congress initiative. I did it; very easy.
http://govt.eaa.org
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438788#438788
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA announces Long-Awaited Aeromedical Reform |
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| Subject: | Re: EAA announces Long-Awaited Aeromedical Reform |
| From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Thanks Jeff, I pushed mine through my fb account hoping it will spread throu
gh social media also
It's just too important to neglect through complacency
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 27, 2015, at 11:25 AM, "Boatright, Jeffrey" wrote:
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> The first Pilot=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s Bill of Rights pretty much sailed
through in 2012. Hopefully this one will, too!
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> --
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
>
> From: Barry Davis <bed(at)mindspring.com>
> Reply-To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Friday, February 27, 2015 at 11:16 AM
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: EAA announces Long-Awaited Aeromedical Reform
>
>
> Thanks Jeff
> I Fwd'ed this to our 120 EAA Chapter members
> Barry
> NX973BP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Boatright
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 7:44 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA announces Long-Awaited Aeromedical Reform
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> Bipartisan bill in Senate, EAA asks that we try to get all delegates in
> Senate and House to sign on to bills in both houses:
>
> http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/eaa-news-and-aviation-news/2015-news/02-26-2015-
se
> cond-pilots-bill-of-rights-pushes-long-awaited-aeromedical-reform-forward
>
> And here's the link to the Rally Congress initiative. I did it; very easy.
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> http://govt.eaa.org
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| Subject: | Re: EAA announces Long-Awaited Aeromedical Reform |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
I will sign and I will contact my congresscritter. One suggestion for
improvement is to raise the ceiling to 18000 feet to make it more useable
in the Rockies. At 15,000 feet there are areas in Colorado and Wyoming
where at 15,000 feet you are a 1000 feet above the mountain passes. Not
enough space when there is nothing but turbulence and granite cumulus
around.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Barry Davis wrote:
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> Thanks Jeff
> I Fwd'ed this to our 120 EAA Chapter members
> Barry
> NX973BP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Boatright
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 7:44 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA announces Long-Awaited Aeromedical Reform
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> -->
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> Bipartisan bill in Senate, EAA asks that we try to get all delegates in
> Senate and House to sign on to bills in both houses:
>
>
> http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/eaa-news-and-aviation-news/2015-news/02-26-2015-se
> cond-pilots-bill-of-rights-pushes-long-awaited-aeromedical-reform-forward
>
> And here's the link to the Rally Congress initiative. I did it; very easy.
>
> http://govt.eaa.org
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438788#438788
>
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Toolstock officially underway. |
4 Big Piet Dudes will be there around noon tomorrow
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock officially underway.
No pics... Didn't happen...
http://youtu.be/WjM19j4PFWs
http://youtu.be/FQpBW1VjdU4
http://youtu.be/j8qRXp6jXL4
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: small dogs, storage space, and tents |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
I know it's hard to believe but there's actually quite a bit of room up in the
center section. I can fit my tie downs, air mattress, tarp to cover the cockpits,
and my nylon Hilton up there. I'm kinda long so I like to have a long enough
and tall enough tent. I'm also done with sleeping on the hard ground so a queen
size air mattress it is. It's a bit tight up there but it works out well.
With careful planning and creative packing, my son and I can live out of the
Piet for a week.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock officially underway. |
| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
What's a "big Piet"? Glen
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:19 PM, "Barry Davis" wrote:
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> 4 Big Piet Dudes will be there around noon tomorrow
> Barry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:54 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock officially underway.
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>
> No pics... Didn't happen...
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock officially underway. |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Glen; I'll let the actual "Big Piets" reply formally, but it's a group of builders
who worked on their airplanes all at the same time and "right sized" them
for their bigger builds. I don't remember exactly what they stretched or by how
much, but they were not built to stock size. Oh, and several were involved
in the "PietenPile" that happened when a storm hit Sun 'n' Fun a few years ago.
Gardiner (who is also at Toolstock) was the unfortunate star of the PietenPile
and I wince every time I see the picture of his airplane all balled up.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438808#438808
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| Subject: | Re: Four-bladed prop |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
WF2: that is a beautiful prop. What is the finish on it? Looks like a gloss polyurethane
varnish that should be pretty easy to keep the bugs cleaned off of.
Do you use the Lemon Pledge method to keep the bugs from sticking?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock officially underway. |
| From: | glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com |
I saw pictures of that. What a damned shame. I also read that a lot of damage
was caused by sun n fun officials and volunteers carelessly tearing the pile
apart. Glen
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 27, 2015, at 6:06 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
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> Glen; I'll let the actual "Big Piets" reply formally, but it's a group of builders
who worked on their airplanes all at the same time and "right sized" them
for their bigger builds. I don't remember exactly what they stretched or by
how much, but they were not built to stock size. Oh, and several were involved
in the "PietenPile" that happened when a storm hit Sun 'n' Fun a few years
ago. Gardiner (who is also at Toolstock) was the unfortunate star of the PietenPile
and I wince every time I see the picture of his airplane all balled up.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock officially underway. |
| From: | Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
We will be looking for you, Gardiner.
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 27, 2015, at 4:19 PM, "Barry Davis" wrote:
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> 4 Big Piet Dudes will be there around noon tomorrow
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:54 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock officially underway.
>
>
> No pics... Didn't happen...
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> http://youtu.be/WjM19j4PFWs
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock officially underway. |
| From: | Gardiner Mason <airlion2(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Oskar, I am at toolstock now and looking forward to seeing the Big Piets.
Gardiner
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:06 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
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>
> Glen; I'll let the actual "Big Piets" reply formally, but it's a group of builders
who worked on their airplanes all at the same time and "right sized" them
for their bigger builds. I don't remember exactly what they stretched or by
how much, but they were not built to stock size. Oh, and several were involved
in the "PietenPile" that happened when a storm hit Sun 'n' Fun a few years
ago. Gardiner (who is also at Toolstock) was the unfortunate star of the PietenPile
and I wince every time I see the picture of his airplane all balled up.
>
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock officially underway. |
| From: | Fastnaught John <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
Hello Gardiner,
Jack here. Just got my airworthiness cert. and am planning to fly to Brodhead this
year. I would like to talk to you and the big Piet guys to maybe hook up and
fly together for those that are going. Would you send me a contact info so
I might give you a call and talk it over. And the Big Piet guys as well if any
are interested.
Thanks,
Jack
N144JF
Wire wheels
And a Ford Model A.
> On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Gardiner Mason wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Oskar, I am at toolstock now and looking forward to seeing the Big Piets.
Gardiner
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 9:06 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>>
>>
>> Glen; I'll let the actual "Big Piets" reply formally, but it's a group of builders
who worked on their airplanes all at the same time and "right sized" them
for their bigger builds. I don't remember exactly what they stretched or by
how much, but they were not built to stock size. Oh, and several were involved
in the "PietenPile" that happened when a storm hit Sun 'n' Fun a few years
ago. Gardiner (who is also at Toolstock) was the unfortunate star of the PietenPile
and I wince every time I see the picture of his airplane all balled up.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Four-bladed prop |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
taildrags wrote:
> WF2: that is a beautiful prop. What is the finish on it? Looks like a gloss
polyurethane varnish that should be pretty easy to keep the bugs cleaned off
of. Do you use the Lemon Pledge method to keep the bugs from sticking?
Thanks. You are correct, with glassed tips and a reinforced leading edge. I used
Simoniz wax, it worked great. Wood is Ash.
WF2
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| Subject: | Re: Four-bladed prop |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
WF2: one more question on your prop. I just noticed that prop has an 8-bolt pattern.
What hub, what engine-?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Four-bladed prop |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
taildrags wrote:
> WF2: one more question on your prop. I just noticed that prop has an 8-bolt
pattern. What hub, what engine-?
Model-A @ 59 HP. Custom hub was machined to mate with engines crankshaft, 8-bolts
needed to prevent propeller slippage.
WF2
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
Now approaching 6000 pilots using the app with over 1350 listings, and a recent
review on the EAA website. And in a feeble attempt to recoup my costs, I am
now offering very reasonably priced ad's for aviation related businesses as I
keep my word to keep this app free for pilots. If you or someone you know may
be interested, please email me at airportcars101(at)gmail.com for rates. And please
tell your FBO where you found them. Thank you. Glenn
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
www.RVairspace.com
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| From: | "dfwplt" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
I had the honor of two visits with Pietenpol builders while working in the Charlotte
NC area recently. Here are some pictures from my visit with Don Youngblood.
He is building a VERY close to plans Pietenpol Air Camper near Greenville,
SC. And it's going to be a nice one! Don is retired and gets to work on it a
LOT. In fact, every time I called before my visit he was in the garage working
on it!
I wish I had visited him a few years ago, he did a couple little things I SHOULD
have done! Oh well.
Getting to meet Don (and Chuck Campbell the week before) was a real pleasure.
Jim in Pryor....where my visit with Don resulted in me being motivated to put the
final topcoat on the bottom of my first wing panel....one more topcoat on the
top and the FINAL wing panel moves into the (heated) garage! Thanks for the
motivation Don!
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| Subject: | Jeepenpol progress |
| From: | "aviken" <aviken(at)windstream.net> |
I finished the silver coats of dope today and will soon move this fuselage to my
hanger to finish paint and assembly. I need to free up the space in my small
workshop so I can begin to assemble my wings...
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| Subject: | Shop Press Dies on eBay |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I came across this eBay listing and contacted the guy. He is looking for me a punch
and vee die along with an additional gooseneck to use-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111569842812?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Basically, he sells you a 3 inch to 5 inch section (but can sell you longer pieces
as needed) of each punch and die that you order from him. I will let you know
how it works out, but I emailed him and he seemed to be on the up and up.
It might be a good source for dies for the small amount of metal work needed for
building a Pietenpol. I have attached a screenshot of the listing for you to
get a quick look, and you can click on the link if you have further interest.
Hope it helps someone.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Shop Press Dies on eBay |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I came across this eBay listing and contacted the guy. He is looking for me a punch
and vee die along with an additional gooseneck to use-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111569842812?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Basically, he sells you a 3 inch to 5 inch section (but can sell you longer pieces
as needed) of each punch and die that you order from him. I will let you know
how it works out, but I emailed him and he seemed to be on the up and up.
It might be a good source for dies for the small amount of metal work needed for
building a Pietenpol. I have attached a screenshot of the listing for you to
get a quick look, and you can click on the link if you have further interest.
Hope it helps someone.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Shop Press Dies on eBay |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I came across this eBay listing and contacted the guy. He is looking for me a punch
and vee die along with an additional gooseneck to use-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111569842812?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Basically, he sells you a 3 inch to 5 inch section (but can sell you longer pieces
as needed) of each punch and die that you order from him. I will let you know
how it works out, but I emailed him and he seemed to be on the up and up.
It might be a good source for dies for the small amount of metal work needed for
building a Pietenpol. I have attached a screenshot of the listing for you to
get a quick look, and you can click on the link if you have further interest.
Hope it helps someone.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | What color is this Pietenpol? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Blue/Gold?
White/Black?
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | What color is this Pietenpol? |
White & Brown?
Barry
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What color is this Pietenpol?
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Blue/Gold?
White/Black?
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| From: | John Letkeman <pilot(at)fehrs.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What color is this Pietenpol? |
Definitely Blue/Gold
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 3, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Bill Church wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: What color is this Pietenpol? |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
I think it's black and white and read all over...
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| Subject: | Re: Recent visits. |
| From: | "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett(at)live.com> |
Great pics! I like that he did the wire wrap/solder thing to his wires--very old
school. Yet, at first glace his elevator control horn looks like a flat piece
of material, aluminum maybe?
I've actually been wondering about that as I study for my build. What options have
people used for control horns. I'm looking at ways to reduce the amount of
welding to be done.
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | A couple of questions about wing construction |
| From: | "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett(at)live.com> |
So, I have read that their is a discrepancy between the full size wing rib layout
provided by Andrew Pietenpol and the actual stated dimensions in the plans.
My own measurements confirm this.
Go with the plans? Go with the stencil? Works either way?
I also have a question about the three piece wing. The mounting method to the center
section looks as simple as one bolt per spar--at the bottom in the notch.
This allows the wing to lower when the strut is disconnected.
The method for covering the gap is not discussed (or I haven't seen it yet). Photos
reveal that most use sheets of aluminum and a lot of screws. Is this correct?
Other options?
I also wonder if this is the area where we are to add the 1" dihedral mentioned
in the manual to avoid the appearance of a drooping wing. I interpret this as
meaning that the wing tips are 1" higher than the center section, and that I
achieve this with a subtle angle cut on the spars. Is my thinking sound?
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Recent visits. |
Andy,
Did you know there is a "Search Engine" on the matronics site? I entered,
"control horns", and got 325 entries!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Garrett
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Recent visits.
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Great pics! I like that he did the wire wrap/solder thing to his wires--very
old school. Yet, at first glace his elevator control horn looks like a flat
piece of material, aluminum maybe?
I've actually been wondering about that as I study for my build. What
options have people used for control horns. I'm looking at ways to reduce
the amount of welding to be done.
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | A couple of questions about wing construction |
Ditto for this subject. Note that there are 421 responses to the query,
"Dihedral."
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Garrett
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A couple of questions about wing construction
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So, I have read that their is a discrepancy between the full size wing rib
layout provided by Andrew Pietenpol and the actual stated dimensions in the
plans. My own measurements confirm this.
Go with the plans? Go with the stencil? Works either way?
I also have a question about the three piece wing. The mounting method to
the center section looks as simple as one bolt per spar--at the bottom in
the notch. This allows the wing to lower when the strut is disconnected.
The method for covering the gap is not discussed (or I haven't seen it yet).
Photos reveal that most use sheets of aluminum and a lot of screws. Is this
correct? Other options?
I also wonder if this is the area where we are to add the 1" dihedral
mentioned in the manual to avoid the appearance of a drooping wing. I
interpret this as meaning that the wing tips are 1" higher than the center
section, and that I achieve this with a subtle angle cut on the spars. Is my
thinking sound?
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
| From: | "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett(at)live.com> |
Yes. Thank you for the subtle 'Use the search feature before posting rookie questions'
tip.
I'll try not to wear out my welcome. [Wink]
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Andy, the one question that you posed that has received less attention
through the years is how to cover the gap between the center section and
the wing panels when building to the three piece wing supplement.
Most people have done what you've suggested as a possible answer -- i.e.,
used a strip of aluminum that is held in place with screws. That works.
I opted to use four inch fabric tape and covered the gap with fabric, which
I then primed and painted using a brush. The trade-off is that if I ever
have to remove the wings, I'll have to start by using a box cutter to slice
the fabric covering the gap. On the other hand, my wing looks like it was
built to the original one piece plans. And I'm pretty sure that
eliminating all those screws will increase my top speed so much that I'll
be able to out run whole herds of stampeding dairy cows.
Welcome to the list, Ken
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Andy Garrett wrote:
> andy_garrett(at)live.com>
>
> Yes. Thank you for the subtle 'Use the search feature before posting
> rookie questions' tip.
>
> I'll try not to wear out my welcome. [Wink]
>
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> Andy Garrett
> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
> Haysville, Kansas
>
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| From: | "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
Andy
I don't believe Gary was saying not to ask questions. I'm sure he was
saying that if you only ask questions to the list you will get a few answers
from the people currently on the list. All beneficial but by searching the
archives you get the benefit of years of discussions by way more people than
you would get by just simply asking. I've read through all the archives and
there are a ton of good things in there that new builders should know.
Problem is I forget most of them so I have to go searching for them all the
time.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Garrett
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 4:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A couple of questions about wing construction
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Yes. Thank you for the subtle 'Use the search feature before posting rookie
questions' tip.
I'll try not to wear out my welcome. [Wink]
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'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
...and don't forget to check out Chris' website, www.westcoastpiet.com,
where you will see interesting things like this (speaking of alternative
methods of attaching those wing fairings, see attached).
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CatDesigns
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A couple of questions about wing
construction
Andy
I don't believe Gary was saying not to ask questions. I'm sure he was
saying that if you only ask questions to the list you will get a few answers
from the people currently on the list. All beneficial but by searching the
archives you get the benefit of years of discussions by way more people than
you would get by just simply asking. I've read through all the archives and
there are a ton of good things in there that new builders should know.
Problem is I forget most of them so I have to go searching for them all the
time.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Garrett
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 4:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A couple of questions about wing construction
-->
Yes. Thank you for the subtle 'Use the search feature before posting rookie
questions' tip.
I'll try not to wear out my welcome. [Wink]
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
FWIW, I took the initial response the same way Andy did.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Recent visits. |
| From: | "dfwplt" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
Don's control horns are actually not one solid piece of material. It's hard to
tell from the pics but they are made from two pieces of thin 4130 welded together.
Pietenpol control horns built per plans are light, extremely strong and simple
to build.
And the welding part of the horns is really minimal.
Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: Recent visits. |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
A close look at that first picture points out that he's thought about providing
some offset in the vertical stabilizer leading edge in case some rudder trim
is needed. He's placed an indexing pin (a nail) right ahead of the leading edge,
maybe what he used to run a string down the longitudinal axis to align everything
with or maybe what he's using to square the wings by measuring from there
out to each wingtip, but the yaw adjustment comes in the form of extra washers
or spacers under the bolt heads that attach the forward VS attach brackets.
Adding or removing spacers will permit deflecting the leading edge, thus adding
yaw trim without holding rudder pedal pressure or using a rudder trim tab.
On my airplane, a combination of vertical stabilizer offset and engine thrust line
offset *almost* got me there, but 41CC still has a fixed bent-metal rudder
trim tab on it for flying straight in cruise without having to ride a rudder
pedal.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Recent visits. |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Oh, and- note to Chris Tracy: snag these photos and the ones of Aviken's "Jeep
Camper" for upload to Westcoastpiet. Good stuff in all these photos!
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: What color is this Pietenpol? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
See, you guys all just want to make fun of this airplane as if it were some kind
of a dress. All I see is an Air Camper, and one with a lot of similarities
to 41CC when I had the A65 on it. The Aeronca heat muff is what I still have,
but with the 65 I also had a small forward-facing air scoop like this one on
the inlet to the heat muff in order to get a more forceful flow of air through
the heat box. I had those standard Aeronca stacks, which rusted out in just
a few short years and that I replaced with welded stainless steel ones. I had
the tall cooling air scoop "eyebrows" like these till I went to a set of lower-profile
J-3 style scoops. Scout still has cabane brace struts very similar
to these, with Aurora ball end fittings at the top, which proved to be a weak
link and a failure point when the airplane went over on its back. One broke and
one bent, right where those fittings thread into the streamline tubing. My
airplane has a slightly higher turtledeck than this one, where this one seems
to dip to a lower profile just aft of the pilot's seat back. This airplane has
one thing that I was determined to avoid on mine: the brake cables have quite
a bit of extra length in them, which (to my mind) makes them susceptible to
getting snagged when landing in fields and tall grass, which I do from time to
time. Although I don't have cable-actuated brakes, I made it a point of routing
my brake line tubing tight to the gear legs, on the aft side of them, in
order to protect them from passing brush and grass.
I am not being critical here... just trying to be observant and learn from other
airplanes. Some people see a dress: I see an airplane ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: What color is this Pietenpol? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Oh, yeah... and notice that the blue and grey airplane has a simple float rod fuel
level indicator in the nose tank, just like Scout ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Recent visits. |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
I made all my control horns out of .09 thick 4130 steel sheet. They might
be a bit heavier than the two-piece, welded model, but they were a lot less
trouble to build. 2 cents worth. Chuck
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Andy Garrett wrote:
> andy_garrett(at)live.com>
>
> Great pics! I like that he did the wire wrap/solder thing to his
> wires--very old school. Yet, at first glace his elevator control horn looks
> like a flat piece of material, aluminum maybe?
>
> I've actually been wondering about that as I study for my build. What
> options have people used for control horns. I'm looking at ways to reduce
> the amount of welding to be done.
>
> --------
> Andy Garrett
> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
> Haysville, Kansas
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438985#438985
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
You can look here too: Pietenpol Plan Packages (https://sites.google.com/site/pietenpolplanpackages/)
Remember adding dihedral will reduce lift. You will have some dihedral as the
wing starts to fly. If you just want it for appearance then add in just enough
to give you that visual appearance, no more.
Good luck with your build,
WF2
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Recent visits. |
Andy,
Control horns built to the plans will be lighter and stronger than control
horns cut from flat sheet. Do not fear the welding.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett(at)live.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Recent visits.
>
>
> Great pics! I like that he did the wire wrap/solder thing to his
> wires--very old school. Yet, at first glace his elevator control horn
> looks like a flat piece of material, aluminum maybe?
>
> I've actually been wondering about that as I study for my build. What
> options have people used for control horns. I'm looking at ways to reduce
> the amount of welding to be done.
>
> --------
> Andy Garrett
> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
> Haysville, Kansas
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438985#438985
>
>
>
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
Ribs built to the drawing supplied with the plans will fly just fine.
Keri-Ann Price used to sell plans for a gapless 3-piece wing. This was used
on NX18235 and is a good option.
As others have stated, www.westcoastpiet.com and the archives have a wealth
of info. Enjoy the build.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett(at)live.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A couple of questions about wing construction
>
>
> So, I have read that their is a discrepancy between the full size wing rib
> layout provided by Andrew Pietenpol and the actual stated dimensions in
> the plans. My own measurements confirm this.
>
> Go with the plans? Go with the stencil? Works either way?
>
> I also have a question about the three piece wing. The mounting method to
> the center section looks as simple as one bolt per spar--at the bottom in
> the notch. This allows the wing to lower when the strut is disconnected.
>
> The method for covering the gap is not discussed (or I haven't seen it
> yet). Photos reveal that most use sheets of aluminum and a lot of screws.
> Is this correct? Other options?
>
> I also wonder if this is the area where we are to add the 1" dihedral
> mentioned in the manual to avoid the appearance of a drooping wing. I
> interpret this as meaning that the wing tips are 1" higher than the center
> section, and that I achieve this with a subtle angle cut on the spars. Is
> my thinking sound?
>
> --------
> Andy Garrett
> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
> Haysville, Kansas
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438986#438986
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Recent visits. |
Actually, the edge welding done on the control horns is very easy and is fun
to do. And the built-up horns look mire "Pietenpol-ish"
Just my opinion.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Cardinal
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Recent visits.
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Andy,
Control horns built to the plans will be lighter and stronger than control
horns cut from flat sheet. Do not fear the welding.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett(at)live.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Recent visits.
>
>
> Great pics! I like that he did the wire wrap/solder thing to his
> wires--very old school. Yet, at first glace his elevator control horn
> looks like a flat piece of material, aluminum maybe?
>
> I've actually been wondering about that as I study for my build. What
> options have people used for control horns. I'm looking at ways to reduce
> the amount of welding to be done.
>
> --------
> Andy Garrett
> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'
> Haysville, Kansas
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438985#438985
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What color is this Pietenpol? |
| From: | "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net> |
as I said on FB...
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | a few words about dihedral |
Just a few observations about adding dihedral to the 3-piece Pietenpol wing
.
Women Fly 2 points out that dihedral can reduce lift which is true but for
the minuscule amount of dihedral that
we put in our Pietenpols the effect is negligible.
Wing cuts outs in the center section is another place where builders fuss o
ver the "loss of lift" when if you just build
a light plane it will climb great. Add 2 feet of wing if you're worried a
bout lift loss.
If you want to reduce lift build a Pietenpol that is wayyyyy overweight or
adding electrical systems and lots of radios and
front cockpit instruments but losing a little lift for the sake of dihedral
is well worth the trade off---and here are my reasons:
1) dihedral increases stability.
2) easier to fold and read maps while going cross country if you have
to take your hands off the stick momentarily
3) birds have dihedral.
4) Cubs and Champs have dihedral and fly pretty nicely.
5) Piets with flat wings sometimes appear to have drooping wings so ju
st a touch of dihedral eliminates that appearance.
6) Dihedral irritates the purists which is a fond hobby of mine!
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: a few words about dihedral |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
very few words.
:)
> Just a few observations about adding dihedral to the 3-piece Pietenpol wing
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
Greg Cardinal wrote:
> Ribs built to the drawing supplied with the plans will fly just fine.
>
> Keri-Ann Price used to sell plans for a gapless 3-piece wing. This was used
> on NX18235 and is a good option.
>
> As others have stated, www.westcoastpiet.com and the archives have a wealth
> of info. Enjoy the build.
>
> Greg Cardinal
> Minneapolis
>
> ---
..... still do.
WF2
( Keri-Ann)
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
*Average dihedral for an Aeronca Champ is 1 degree. On a piper cub it is 1
inch at the tips, max. On a Cessna 150 it is 2 degrees. Some some parasols
have 0 degrees.*
*Blue Skies,*
*Steve D*
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:08 AM, womenfly2 wrote:
>
>
> Greg Cardinal wrote:
> > Ribs built to the drawing supplied with the plans will fly just fine.
> >
> > Keri-Ann Price used to sell plans for a gapless 3-piece wing. This was
> used
> > on NX18235 and is a good option.
> >
> > As others have stated, www.westcoastpiet.com and the archives have a
> wealth
> > of info. Enjoy the build.
> >
> > Greg Cardinal
> > Minneapolis
> >
> > ---
>
>
> ..... still do.
>
> WF2
> ( Keri-Ann)
>
> --------
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439039#439039
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
| From: | "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett(at)live.com> |
Thank you for your responses. Very helpful. I will make my horns as indicated in
the plans.
As for my response to the suggestion that I should use the search feature before
posting questions--I hope I did not come across as 'snarky'. That was not my
intent.
I have been a member of several forums over the years and understand the etiquette.
I know it can be frustrating for the old hands to be patient with the new
guys who seem to always ask the same questions. I will be cognizant of this in
the future.
However, this would be a boring place if it were only treated as a repository of
static information to be researched like a common reference library. A forum
is first and foremost a community, where ideas are fluid and dynamic. Asking
even an old question can inspire a new and creative response. So, I will be diligent
in my search engine use before asking questions, but I may ask it anyway
simply to mine the current view of whatever it is. I will try not to be tiresome.
Cheers!
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
| From: | "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett(at)live.com> |
Also, I discovered westcoastpiet even before I found this site. Very good stuff
over there.
I've also been pouring over every Youtube video I can find to compare and contrast
methods and configurations. Great stuff.
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | what color is this plane, control horns, etc |
I think this is Rob Bach's plane which is blue and gold. He flew it to
Brodhead a few times, and it's really a nice plane. Cool instrument panels,
lots of brass if I remember correctly. Interesting dude, told me when he
gets bored flying he does mathematical algorithms in his head to pass the
time.
My control horns are just flat stock and works fine, but I'd do the plans
version if I did it again. Easey peasey to build, strong and super light.
My plane has NO dihedral and the wings don't really look droopy to me.
Adding 1" is very common and is easily done.
Andy, you are very welcome on this list and PLEASE ask questions, that's
what it's all about. I personally found it helpful though to search the
archives first because otherwise, I would have submitted 1,000 questions
during my build. As it was, I only submitted about 500!!
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | fun fly-in, piets invited |
I went to this last year and though the WX was crap, it was fun. Lots of
grass to land on, the field is closed during the fly-in. people were really
nice. Larry Williams was there, Andy with the old Rudolf Piet and another,
plus me. with good WX it should be fun for those nearby.(Ohio crowd.) I've
been asked to invite Piets, hence this email.
Barnstorming Carnival July 11-12 Springfield-Beckley Ohio.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: what color is this plane, control horns, etc |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Actually, Douwe, the plane in the photo was built by RT Searfoss. Very nice looking
Pietenpol.
And clearly, from this photo, it is white and black.
BC
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| Subject: | Re: a few words about dihedral |
| From: | Greg Bacon <gbacon67(at)gmail.com> |
Mike,
Nice rundown on the dihedral topic! You are right about the added
stability. Good that you made it #1, because stability is paramount. I
would also add "a bit of dihedral gives a piet a spunky and eager look".
So, let's not forget the spunk factor :-)
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
> Just a few observations about adding dihedral to the 3-piece Pietenpol
> wing.
>
>
> Women Fly 2 points out that dihedral can reduce lift which is true but fo
r
> the minuscule amount of dihedral that
>
> we put in our Pietenpols the effect is negligible.
>
>
> Wing cuts outs in the center section is another place where builders fuss
> over the =9Closs of lift=9D when if you just build
>
> a light plane it will climb great. Add 2 feet of wing if you=99re
worried
> about lift loss.
>
>
> If you want to reduce lift build a Pietenpol that is wayyyyy overweight o
r
> adding electrical systems and lots of radios and
>
> front cockpit instruments but losing a little lift for the sake of
> dihedral is well worth the trade off---and here are my reasons:
>
>
> 1) dihedral increases stability.
>
> 2) easier to fold and read maps while going cross country if you
> have to take your hands off the stick momentarily
>
> 3) birds have dihedral.
>
> 4) Cubs and Champs have dihedral and fly pretty nicely.
>
> 5) Piets with flat wings sometimes appear to have drooping wings so
> just a touch of dihedral eliminates that appearance.
>
> 6) Dihedral irritates the purists which is a fond hobby of mine!
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: a few words about dihedral |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Dihedral is for Piper Cherokees. Get a wing - leveler and or auto-pilot,
too....
Was that mean? Just kidding. I like my Piet GN-1 'cause it's fun.
On Mar 4, 2015 9:53 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
wrote:
> Just a few observations about adding dihedral to the 3-piece Pietenpol
> wing.
>
>
> Women Fly 2 points out that dihedral can reduce lift which is true but fo
r
> the minuscule amount of dihedral that
>
> we put in our Pietenpols the effect is negligible.
>
>
> Wing cuts outs in the center section is another place where builders fuss
> over the =9Closs of lift=9D when if you just build
>
> a light plane it will climb great. Add 2 feet of wing if you=99re
worried
> about lift loss.
>
>
> If you want to reduce lift build a Pietenpol that is wayyyyy overweight o
r
> adding electrical systems and lots of radios and
>
> front cockpit instruments but losing a little lift for the sake of
> dihedral is well worth the trade off---and here are my reasons:
>
>
> 1) dihedral increases stability.
>
> 2) easier to fold and read maps while going cross country if you
> have to take your hands off the stick momentarily
>
> 3) birds have dihedral.
>
> 4) Cubs and Champs have dihedral and fly pretty nicely.
>
> 5) Piets with flat wings sometimes appear to have drooping wings so
> just a touch of dihedral eliminates that appearance.
>
> 6) Dihedral irritates the purists which is a fond hobby of mine!
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> *
>
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om/contribution>
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>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: a few words about dihedral |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Mike'
I like Point 6 the best.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
| From: | "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett(at)live.com> |
Wow! Gary's Piet is stunning! Love the wood struts!
Well done sir! (Watched your Youtube videos.)
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Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the writer suggests
that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings without the word
"experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b to show any FAA inspector
who questions them on it.
In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced the
font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the NX markings
on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it comes from
a DAR.
Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
Thanks, Terry. I have NX markings without "experimental", and the FAA
inspector was ambivalent about that. Sooner or later I'll run into one who
isn't...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes
-->
In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the
writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings
without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b
to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it.
In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced
the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the
NX markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it
comes from a DAR.
Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
| From: | Fastnaught John <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
Terry and Gary and others,
I just got my Airworthiness inspection a couple of weeks ago. I went through the
same discussion with the DAR and the FAA. I have X in the number and dont have
experimental on the airplane. Having a copy of the FAR in the airplane is just
a good idea. I have one mine.
The only problem is adjusting the weight and balance for the paperwork ;0)
Jack
> On Mar 5, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, Terry. I have NX markings without "experimental", and the FAA
> inspector was ambivalent about that. Sooner or later I'll run into one who
> isn't...
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jarheadpilot82
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:42 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes
>
> -->
>
> In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the
> writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings
> without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b
> to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it.
>
> In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced
> the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the
> NX markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it
> comes from a DAR.
>
> Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
Good reminder Terry and good attachment to the post.
Back in 1998 when my FAA/MIDO inspector came out to do my airworthiness ins
pection I printed out a copy of the FAR that allows
for the NX and he was surprised to learn about that hidden gem.
One item with using NX is that the X appears nowhere in the FAA records so
when registering or looking up, selling or buying the X doesn't
have any role----it is only an aircraft marking that takes the place of the
big, now unnecessary EXPERIMENTAL.
Good post.
Mike C.
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[cid:image002.jpg(at)01D05743.5B90DC70]
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
Thanks, Andy. You are very kind!
Yes, I get a lot of compliments at the airport, but I find that all very
humbling as I consider myself fortunate beyond measure for having the
opportunity to build this plane. There are so many who, for various reasons,
do not have the time, money, situation, etc., will never have that
opportunity, or may take an incredibly long time to completion. I'm
currently re-building a damaged Baby Ace, which grew up in the same era as
the Piet, but just doesn't seem to have the same mystique.
I'm sure I asked my share of questions to this list, but found that
searching through the archives yielded hours' worth of good reading that
would often take me in directions that were unrelated but equally useful.
Same for westcoatpiet. Looking through all those pictures helped me to
quickly solidify an opinion about what I liked and what I didn't; rounded
corners on the tail parts, or not; tall wheels?; taller cabanes, or
turtledeck? Deck angle? Cowling appearance? The list goes on...
Color choice is something that will come sooner or later, but I think the
building process needs to be started with your vision of aesthetics, if that
is important to you.
I look forward to hearing of your progress,
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Garrett
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 8:32 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A couple of questions about wing construction
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Wow! Gary's Piet is stunning! Love the wood struts!
Well done sir! (Watched your Youtube videos.)
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
That's exactly what I did. I didn't have a DAR, but an inspector from the
FSDO, whom I thought should know the regs. Just in case I carried a copy of
the FARs with that one highlighted. Good thing I did. When he challenged
me, I just showed him the book and he grunted and said "learn something new
every day".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
(Where yesterday it was 61 degrees and today is snowing. Low tonight is
forecast to be 17. Gotta love a Southern Winter)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes
--> < jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the
writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings
without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b
to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it.
In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced
the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the
NX markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it
comes from a DAR.
Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072
Attachments:
<http://forums.matronics.com/files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf>
http://forums.matronics.com//files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: a few words about dihedral |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
File under FWIW...
The Vertical component of lift for a 1 dihedral angle, expressed as a percentage
is 99.98%.
Just my .02%!
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: a few words about dihedral |
| From: | "Andy Garrett" <andy_garrett(at)live.com> |
I don't know how adding dihedral could irritate the purists. It says to add some
to the three piece wing right in the 'official' manual.
*SNAP* The three piece wing must not be pure either. [Shocked]
--------
Andy Garrett
'General Purpose Creative Dude'
Haysville, Kansas
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| Subject: | Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
Terry, thanks for the post. I copied the FAR and plan to keep it in the
same place with the other paper work. I just today sent off the paperwork
to get my Piet registered. It will be NX10003. I have had the 10003
reserved for a few years. It was the lowest all-number registration
available when I reserved it. Am getting excited about the possibility of
finishing my plane, getting it inspected, and flying it for the first time
before the snow flies next winter. Notice that I said, "Possibility!"
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Jack Philips
wrote:
> That's exactly what I did. I didn't have a DAR, but an inspector from the
> FSDO, whom I thought should know the regs. Just in case I carried a copy
> of the FARs with that one highlighted. Good thing I did. When he
> challenged me, I just showed him the book and he grunted and said "learn
> something new every day".
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> N*X*899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> (Where yesterday it was 61 degrees and today is snowing. Low tonight is
> forecast to be 17. Gotta love a Southern Winter)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82
> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:42 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes
>
>
> -->
>
>
> In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask the DAR" section, the
> writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing the NX markings
> without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy of CFR_45.22b
> to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it.
>
>
> In case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced
> the font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the
> NX markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it
> comes from a DAR.
>
>
> Just thought I would save forum members the time of looking for it.
>
>
> --------
>
> Semper Fi,
>
>
> Terry Hand
>
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072
>
>
> Attachments:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf
> <http://forums.matronics.com/files/cfr_4522b_144.pdf>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | jim hyde <jnl96(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes |
those people are the bottom feeders in aviation. they are lazy and brain de
ad.=C2- why else would anyone take a gov. job when they can do so much be
tter out in the real world and not have to tell friends and family that the
y work for the gov.
me
On Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:53 PM, Charles N. Campbell wrote:
Terry, thanks for the post.=C2- I copied the FAR and plan to keep it in
the same place with the other paper work.=C2- I just today sent off the p
aperwork to get my Piet registered.=C2- It will be NX10003.=C2- I have
had the 10003 reserved for a few years.=C2- It was the lowest all-number
registration available when I reserved it.=C2- Am getting excited about t
he possibility of finishing my plane, getting it inspected, and flying it f
or the first time before the snow flies next winter.=C2- Notice that I sa
id, "Possibility!" =C2-Chuck
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Jack Philips wro
te:
That's exactly what I did.=C2- I didn't have a DAR, but an inspector from
the FSDO, whom I thought should know the regs.=C2- Just in case I carrie
d a copy of the FARs with that one highlighted.=C2- Good thing I did.=C2
- When he challenged me, I just showed him the book and he grunted and sa
id "learn something new every day".=C2-Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain
Lake, Virginia(Where yesterday it was 61 degrees and today is snowing.=C2
- Low tonight is forecast to be 17.=C2- Gotta love a Southern Winter)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 11:42 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good Advice from the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes
lot82(at)hotmail.com>=C2-In the April 2015 issue of Kitplanes in the "Ask th
e DAR" section, the writer suggests that all pilots of aircraft utilizing t
he NX markings without the word "experimental" on the aircraft carry a copy
of CFR_45.22b to show any FAA inspector who questions them on it.=C2-In
case anyone needs/wants a copy, I have attached a copy below. I reduced the
font to get it all on one page. I plan on doing just that and using the NX
markings on my Pietenpol. It sounds like a good practice to me, since it c
omes from a DAR.=C2-Just thought I would save forum members the time of l
ooking for it.=C2---------Semper Fi,=C2-Terry HandAthens, GA=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-Read this topic online here:=C2-http://forums.matronics.co
m/viewtopic.php?p=439072#439072=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-Attachments: =C2
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| From: | Mike Salerno <mdsalern(at)yahoo.com> |
Does anyone have a rib jig with which they are willing to part?-=0A=0A=0A
Thanks,=0A=0AMike Salerno-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
1. Which airfoil?
2. Borrow, or keep?
3. Where do you live?
FWIW, They are not that hard to make.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about wing construction |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Andy;
I've lost track of this thread but in case nobody has mentioned this to you yet,
by all means get Mike Cuy's build-and-fly DVD. You will learn a lot about Pietenpols
and building them by watching the video, but more than that you will
get to walk around the airplane and get a running narrative of what's what and
why it's that way, and you'll also get some really fun flying sequences. It's
something that you can pull out on a rainy day and just sit and watch with
a mug of coffee and learn something new each time you watch it.
You can search the archives on 'Mike Cuy video' or just wait for him to post the
ordering info here... I'm sure he will.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | Mike Salerno <mdsalern(at)yahoo.com> |
Didn't really have a preference on airfoil. I may be misinformed, but it se
emed they were about the same in performance.=0A=0A=0APrefer to keep, more
than willing to purchase.=0A=0A=0AI live in Durant, Oklahoma. I was just lo
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Mike you can do one in a couple hours. Scroll down here http://textors.com/
PietProject.html to see mine. Instead of plywood I would use composite for l
ess warp. I bolted mine to my bench. Also drilled about a 1/2 to 3/4 hole u
nder each joint to keep the glued joint from sticking to the jig. I used 1/
2" square wood from the lumber yard for guides. In my opinion less is bette
r. Using too many makes it harder to remove from the jig. I made pretty ti
ght joints, glued with epoxy, removed and then glued the gussets. Good luck
, enjoy.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Mar 6, 2015, at 9:13 PM, Mike Salerno wrote:
>
>
> Didn't really have a preference on airfoil. I may be misinformed, but it s
eemed they were about the same in performance.
>
> Prefer to keep, more than willing to purchase.
>
> I live in Durant, Oklahoma. I was just looking for a quicker way to get go
ing...
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> From:"jarheadpilot82"
> Date:Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:49 PM
> Subject:Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Jig
>
mail.com>
>
> 1. Which airfoil?
> 2. Borrow, or keep?
> 3. Where do you live?
>
> FWIW, They are not that hard to make.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
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>
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
Building a rib jig will take you all of 2 hours. Better to keep it in case
you ever need to make a repair and you want the new rib to be exactly like
the old broken ones. For that reason I doubt you'll find anyone wanting to
give you one. I loaned mine to Gardner Mason after his Piet was crushed at
Sun'n'Fun under the condition that he return when he finished (which he
did).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Salerno
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Jig
Didn't really have a preference on airfoil. I may be misinformed, but it
seemed they were about the same in performance.
Prefer to keep, more than willing to purchase.
I live in Durant, Oklahoma. I was just looking for a quicker way to get
going...
Mike
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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From:"jarheadpilot82" >
Date:Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:49 PM
Subject:Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Jig
>
1. Which airfoil?
2. Borrow, or keep?
3. Where do you live?
FWIW, They are not that hard to make.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Tim White <aa5flyer(at)gmail.com> |
I built a 2 sided jig out of 2 pieces of MDF and dadoed 2X6s. The
offset dowel circles were rotated to hold the rib pieces in place and
the clamp studs went through the jig. After the rib was aligned and
glue set, I use the other side of the jig to glue the gussets on the
other side of the rib. That way I had 2 ribs setting up at the same
time. Used small squares of waxed paper to control glue drips.
Tim White
Ocklawaha, Fl
On 3/7/2015 7:36 AM, Jack wrote:
> Mike you can do one in a couple hours. Scroll down here
> http://textors.com/PietProject.html to see mine. Instead of plywood I
> would use composite for less warp. I bolted mine to my bench. Also
> drilled about a 1/2 to 3/4 hole under each joint to keep the glued
> joint from sticking to the jig. I used 1/2" square wood from the
> lumber yard for guides. In my opinion less is better. Using too many
> makes it harder to remove from the jig. I made pretty tight joints,
> glued with epoxy, removed and then glued the gussets. Good luck, enjoy.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
> On Mar 6, 2015, at 9:13 PM, Mike Salerno > wrote:
>
>> Didn't really have a preference on airfoil. I may be misinformed, but
>> it seemed they were about the same in performance.
>>
>> Prefer to keep, more than willing to purchase.
>>
>> I live in Durant, Oklahoma. I was just looking for a quicker way to
>> get going...
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From*:"jarheadpilot82" > >
>> *Date*:Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:49 PM
>> *Subject*:Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Jig
>>
>> >
>>
>> 1. Which airfoil?
>> 2. Borrow, or keep?
>> 3. Where do you live?
>>
>> FWIW, They are not that hard to make.
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry Hand
>> Athens, GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Tim: I am speechless. That jig is unlike anything I have ever seen. Amazing.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "GNflyer" <rayeh48(at)yahoo.com> |
I got the second short flight in of the year for me today. Little corvair ran smooth
as usual. I ordered a skull cap spinner from Wicks last fall about the end
of October. They told me it was on back order. since they have them priced
pretty cheap I was content to wait a while. but now it's into March and still
no spinner. I know it won't change my speed and probably worthless except I think
they look cool, and it just could smooth the airflow a little into the scoops.
but it sure doesn't need to run any cooler. anyway anybody had poor luck
with Wicks or did I just order the one item they can't get? Raymond
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| Subject: | Corvair College #33 Registration Now Open |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
For this of you who are building or considering building a Corvair engine for their
Pietenpol, I wanted to point out that the registration for the next Corvair
College has just opened. Follow the link below-
http://flycorvair.net/2015/03/08/corvair-college-33-sign-up-now-open/
It will be in Leesburg FL 17-19April. For a chance to see what a Corvair College
is like, please click the link below. It is a short 7 minute video really well
done by Brady Lane and EAA-
http://youtu.be/wvXAX0C2q5c
Even if you aren't building a Corvair it is a great place to meet other, like minded
builders. I have been to 3 and plan to go as often as I can.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439154#439154
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sensenich torques |
Here is a shot of the decal on my prop
Ben
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