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0. 11:07 AM - [PLEASE READ] Why I
Have A Fund Raiser...(Matt Dralle)
1. 09:39 AM - Rudder Post
(Jack)
2. 10:02 AM - Re: Rudder Post
(Tony Crawford)
3. 10:03 AM - Re: Rudder Post
(Tony Crawford)
4. 11:26 AM - Rudder Post
(Jack)
5. 12:46 PM - Re: Rudder Post
(Tony Crawford)
6. 01:07 PM - Re: Rudder Post
(Jack)
7. 01:25 PM - Re: Wavy Okoume
Plywood Leading Edge (taildrags)
8. 06:44 PM - Re: Rudder Post
(Bill Church)
________________________________ Message 0
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Post
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Hi Piet friends,
I'm redoing my rudder post as per Jack Phillips. As I
looked at my existing
post it's not fabricated per the Flying and Glider
Manual. My existing one
is done with 1" at the top and bottom tabs. I can't
find a matching layout
in my plans. Can anyone point me to a layout?
Thanks!
Jack
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Post
From: Tony Crawford <tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com>
I do not have that drawing in my plans!!!! I bought my plans
in March of
this year!!
Tony Crawford
On Nov 11, 2015 11:43 AM, "Jack"
wrote:
> Hi Piet friends,
> I'm redoing my rudder post as per Jack Phillips.
As I looked at my
> existing post it's not fabricated per the Flying and
Glider Manual. My
> existing one is done with 1" at the top and bottom
tabs. I can't find a
> matching layout in my plans. Can anyone point me
to a layout?
> Thanks!
> Jack
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Post
From: Tony Crawford <tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com>
I'm set on build up that post this weekend.
On Nov 11, 2015 12:01 PM, "Tony Crawford"
wrote:
> I do not have that drawing in my plans!!!! I bought my
plans in March of
> this year!!
>
> Tony Crawford
> On Nov 11, 2015 11:43 AM, "Jack"
wrote:
>
>> Hi Piet friends,
>> I'm redoing my rudder post as per Jack
Phillips. As I looked at my
>> existing post it's not fabricated per the Flying
and Glider Manual. My
>> existing one is done with 1" at the top and bottom
tabs. I can't find a
>> matching layout in my plans. Can anyone point
me to a layout?
>> Thanks!
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> Jack Textor
>>
>
________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Post
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Tony here is what I found on drawing 4. I'm more
perplexed because my exist
ing post is 5 1/2" between the floor bolts. Not sure
where I came up with t
hat years ago...
Jack
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Post
From: Tony Crawford <tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com>
Hi,
Do you live anywhere near northern Alabama?
Tony
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Jack
wrote:
> Tony here is what I found on drawing 4. I'm more
perplexed because my
> existing post is 5 1/2" between the floor bolts.
Not sure where I came up
> with that years ago...
> Jack
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rudder Post
In Des Moines IA
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Tony Crawford
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Do you live anywhere near northern Alabama?
>
> Tony
>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Jack
wrote:
>> Tony here is what I found on drawing 4. I'm
more perplexed because my ex
isting post is 5 1/2" between the floor bolts. Not
sure where I came up wit
h that years ago...
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> Jack Textor
>
________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wavy Okoume Plywood Leading
Edge
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Bill; yet another drawback of aluminum for leading edges is
that when you bump
the hangar door or anything else with it, you have a
dent. You can sometimes
pop them back out if you can get to the backside to push
them out, but they are
never smooth again. I've seen a case were a builder
wanted to go the ultra-cheap
route and used the dead-soft aluminum that you buy in a roll
at the hardware
store and can cut with scissors. That stuff is
absolutely unforgiving when
it comes to dents.
You can use good aircraft sheet aluminum and it's more
resistant to dents, but
it needs to be a bit heavier and stiffer and that makes it
more difficult to form
and install the leading edges.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=449218#449218
________________________________ Message 8
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder Post
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Those are tough questions, Jack. :)
I wouldn't be too worried about the tabs being 1" instead of
1 1/4". Since the
1934 plans don't even provide a dimension, most builders
probably just eyeball
it - which probably is what you did. It looks like
about an inch, relatively
speaking. Funny how both the FGM plans and the 1934
plans both provide incomplete
information for this component - but they are incomplete in
different ways.
Not sure why your mounting bolts are spaced at 5 1/2"
instead of 6 1/2". One possible
scenario is that you may have done the calculations, laid
out the part,
cut it, drilled it, and bent it, and when you were finished,
in order to maintain
the required height, that's just the way it worked. If
you were to open
up the bends to maintain 6 1/2", the height would probably
be too short. And,
since you most likely already have the floor drilled,
there's no point in trying
to change it now.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Dan Helsper's Piet in EAA Vintage Airplane mag |
| From: | Matt Paxton <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
There's a great photo of Dan's Loensloe Air Device Piet in the current issue of
Vintage Airplane.
Matt Paxton
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Dan Helsper's Piet in EAA Vintage Airplane mag |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
No picture, Matt.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=449385#449385
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| Subject: | Pic of pic of Dan's airplane |
| From: | Matt Paxton <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: Pic of pic of Dan's airplane |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I always hate to waste an opportunity to look closely at a photo and pick out interesting
details. Since the list has been so slow lately, I'll pick out a few
things that I see on the pic of Dan's beautiful airplane and post them here
for comment.
First, the prop. It's not at all evident from the magazine photo (all you see
is a black blob where the prop is), but Dan's Ford swings a really nice hand-carved
semi-scimitar with a dark wood finish. Beautiful piece of work and I'm
sure that the rest of you who have hand-carved and flown your own prop can agree
that it's a very satisfying feeling to fly behind what used to be a bunch of
glued-together boards and have it pull you through the air as pretty as you
please! I would encourage you who have (Gary Boothe has made several, for example)
to write about it in the BPA Newsletter. It's something that can be done
in a relatively small and warm work space during the winter and the result is
pleasing whether it goes on the plane or on the wall.
The fuel level indicator on Dan's plane is pretty obvious, and there has been quite
a bit of chatter on this list about different ways of constructing a sight
gauge for a centersection wing tank. Dan seems to have a Stearman-style gauge
sticking out the bottom of the tank but I don't know the particulars. He may
have made his after the fashion of Larry "Top Curmudgeon" Williams's and in
fact, I seem to remember something about Dan taking over the lofty perch of Top
Curmudgeon himself. I couldn't find a specific photo of Larry's gauge on Westcoastpiet.com
but boy was it fun going through the photos of Larry's plane
to see if I could find them! I guess I never realized that Larry's centersection
flop is offset to the port side by about a foot, but take a look:
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Larry%20Williams/images/43_overhead_compartment.jpg .
He could stash a couple of bottles of iced tea up there in the wing along with
a jumbo order of hot wings, some napkins, some jelly rolls for dessert, tie-downs,
a quart of Aeroshell 50, and (for you Ford flyers)- some bottles of engine
coolant.
Now take a look out near the wingtips. There are a pair of inspection covers out
near the ends of the wings. Hmmm... what are they for? No pulleys out there,
no pitot tubing, nothing adjustable. Aha! The wing internal x-brace cables
are attached out there, and you need to look at those points at annual inspection.
Don't forget those!
Wing tie-downs. Dan's airplane doesn't seem to have them, I know my airplane doesn't,
so we just loop the ropes over the ends of the strut fittings and snug
them down. However, I would hate to have to run tiedown *chains* over my strut
ends! A good thing to add to your wings if you're still in the planning and
building stage! Anybody seen good ways to do wing tiedowns? Write it up for
the BPA Newsletter!
Back at the tail, the picture gets a bit muddy but there are the elevator cables,
touching the leading edges of the horizontal stabilizers just like a good Air
Camper should. My A&P still winces when he looks at mine, but I showed him
the pictures and he agrees that it's normal for the bottom cables to go slack
and the top ones to touch the leading edges ;o)
Back up to the engine, I think Dan said he had to experiment with the coolant lines
going to the radiator, but maybe I'm thinking of somebody else. The steam
relief line from the top/front of the head is essential, which is obvious when
you view the airplane in the 3-point attitude and realize that the top of the
engine is well above the level of the hose going to the radiator from the rear
of the engine and that steam (and air) will get trapped at the top if a second
line is not provided. I can't speak from any experience about coolant, thermostats,
overflow recovery tanks, or anything having to do with water-cooled
engines on Piets but considering that they've been flying for 85 years on hundreds
of Air Campers, it can't be a complete mystery...
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=449512#449512
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Arizona Piet |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hello Don,
Looks like you posted a few days ago. There was a Piet in the Verde Valley. It
was at Camp Verde. I remember that it was a fairly nice one. It was hangared
there, Maybe still is. I can give you a contact name offline of a friend of
mine who lives on the airport. He should be able to tell you if the plane is
still there. I haven't been there in about five years.
Welcome to the list. Don't forget to check out the best Pietenpol referance site
out there. Our good friend Chris Tracy has put a lot of effort in building
this site, and it is a great resource.
www.westcoastpiet.com
There is a Piet gathering on the west coast as well. It is near Hollister CA on
the first Sat. of June. Some of us arrive on Friday and most leave Sunday morning.
Great grass airport and on field camping. You can catch more details
on this site in April or May when it gets closer. We had some guys come from
the Flagstaff area last year. Maybe you could hook up with them?
I'm sure there are other Piets closer to you. You could try searching the FAA
website for them.
You are always welcome to come look at mine in Lancaster CA.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=449517#449517
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Sun n Fun 2016 Project |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Hello all and especially new members/builders
The wood demonstration shop that builds projects at Sun n Fun is looking for a
lucky individual who wants a head start and some hands-on experience working with
wood.
Here's the deal. We have enough nice Douglas Fir and Okoume plywood to build a
complete fuselage OR we have enough to build several sets of tail feathers.
If you are a new builder who wants to learn the fine art of wood aircraft construction
under the experienced tutelage of Skip Gadd, Ben Charvet, and the rest
of the usual suspects, let us know and we can help. Our preference is to have
you there for at least part of the time but that is not a requirement. The
only other requirement is that it's an as-is, where-is deal. You've got to
provide your own transportation back home. I will be driving from Florida to
Maine in early June and if you live close to the I-95 corridor, I can deliver
but other than that, you're on your own.
We are not locked in to fuselage or tail feathers and if you have some other ideas,
we are willing to consider them. For example, if you have the wing spars
and ribs ready for assembly, we could probably do that.
Contact Skip, Ben, or myself for further information.
Dave Aldrich
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=449519#449519
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Sun n Fun 2016 Project |
| From: | Tony Crawford <tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com> |
Hi, Skip and company Built my Fin and rudder last year! It's awesome. So, I
was wondering if you WOOD like to build my Horizontal Stab and my
Elevators??
Tony
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:21 AM, dgaldrich
wrote:
> dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
>
> Hello all and especially new members/builders
>
> The wood demonstration shop that builds projects at Sun n Fun is looking
> for a lucky individual who wants a head start and some hands-on experience
> working with wood.
>
> Here's the deal. We have enough nice Douglas Fir and Okoume plywood to
> build a complete fuselage OR we have enough to build several sets of tail
> feathers. If you are a new builder who wants to learn the fine art of wood
> aircraft construction under the experienced tutelage of Skip Gadd, Ben
> Charvet, and the rest of the usual suspects, let us know and we can help.
> Our preference is to have you there for at least part of the time but that
> is not a requirement. The only other requirement is that it's an as-is,
> where-is deal. You've got to provide your own transportation back home.
> I will be driving from Florida to Maine in early June and if you live close
> to the I-95 corridor, I can deliver but other than that, you're on your own.
>
> We are not locked in to fuselage or tail feathers and if you have some
> other ideas, we are willing to consider them. For example, if you have the
> wing spars and ribs ready for assembly, we could probably do that.
>
> Contact Skip, Ben, or myself for further information.
>
> Dave Aldrich
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=449519#449519
>
>
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pic of pic of Dan's airplane |
Oscar,
Thanks for taking the time to post your observations on Don's beautiful Piet.
It takes a lot of time to make the observations AND write the letter. Your observations
are excellent and, I'm sure, helpful to many builders...including me!
I had the privilege of seeing Don's beautiful plane and meeting him at Brodhead
this Summer! What a beautiful plane and fine gentleman. I took many pictures
of his plane and stole many ideas from him for my build! Other ideas will have
to wait for my next build.
Someday I hope to post something in the newsletter about my trials and tribulations
building my Sky Scout. It may trigger a lot of conversations about "alternate
methods" that may have been better. I also admire William Wynn's way of
sometimes pointing out potential problems that may lead to possible undesirable
results.
All comments are helpful when done in a constructive way. That is one of the benefits
of this forum!
Thanks,
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:41 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> I always hate to waste an opportunity to look closely at a photo and pick out
interesting details. Since the list has been so slow lately, I'll pick out a
few things that I see on the pic of Dan's beautiful airplane and post them here
for comment.
>
> First, the prop. It's not at all evident from the magazine photo (all you see
is a black blob where the prop is), but Dan's Ford swings a really nice hand-carved
semi-scimitar with a dark wood finish. Beautiful piece of work and I'm
sure that the rest of you who have hand-carved and flown your own prop can agree
that it's a very satisfying feeling to fly behind what used to be a bunch
of glued-together boards and have it pull you through the air as pretty as you
please! I would encourage you who have (Gary Boothe has made several, for example)
to write about it in the BPA Newsletter. It's something that can be done
in a relatively small and warm work space during the winter and the result
is pleasing whether it goes on the plane or on the wall.
>
> The fuel level indicator on Dan's plane is pretty obvious, and there has been
quite a bit of chatter on this list about different ways of constructing a sight
gauge for a centersection wing tank. Dan seems to have a Stearman-style gauge
sticking out the bottom of the tank but I don't know the particulars. He
may have made his after the fashion of Larry "Top Curmudgeon" Williams's and
in fact, I seem to remember something about Dan taking over the lofty perch of
Top Curmudgeon himself. I couldn't find a specific photo of Larry's gauge on
Westcoastpiet.com but boy was it fun going through the photos of Larry's plane
to see if I could find them! I guess I never realized that Larry's centersection
flop is offset to the port side by about a foot, but take a look:
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Larry%20Williams/images/43_overhead_compartment.jpg .
>
> He could stash a couple of bottles of iced tea up there in the wing along with
a jumbo order of hot wings, some napkins, some jelly rolls for dessert, tie-downs,
a quart of Aeroshell 50, and (for you Ford flyers)- some bottles of engine
coolant.
>
> Now take a look out near the wingtips. There are a pair of inspection covers
out near the ends of the wings. Hmmm... what are they for? No pulleys out there,
no pitot tubing, nothing adjustable. Aha! The wing internal x-brace cables
are attached out there, and you need to look at those points at annual inspection.
Don't forget those!
>
> Wing tie-downs. Dan's airplane doesn't seem to have them, I know my airplane
doesn't, so we just loop the ropes over the ends of the strut fittings and snug
them down. However, I would hate to have to run tiedown *chains* over my strut
ends! A good thing to add to your wings if you're still in the planning
and building stage! Anybody seen good ways to do wing tiedowns? Write it up
for the BPA Newsletter!
>
> Back at the tail, the picture gets a bit muddy but there are the elevator cables,
touching the leading edges of the horizontal stabilizers just like a good
Air Camper should. My A&P still winces when he looks at mine, but I showed him
the pictures and he agrees that it's normal for the bottom cables to go slack
and the top ones to touch the leading edges ;o)
>
> Back up to the engine, I think Dan said he had to experiment with the coolant
lines going to the radiator, but maybe I'm thinking of somebody else. The steam
relief line from the top/front of the head is essential, which is obvious
when you view the airplane in the 3-point attitude and realize that the top of
the engine is well above the level of the hose going to the radiator from the
rear of the engine and that steam (and air) will get trapped at the top if a
second line is not provided. I can't speak from any experience about coolant,
thermostats, overflow recovery tanks, or anything having to do with water-cooled
engines on Piets but considering that they've been flying for 85 years on
hundreds of Air Campers, it can't be a complete mystery...
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=449512#449512
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun n Fun 2016 Project |
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
We don't have to stick to Pietenpols, either. Two years ago we built
floats that Dick Navratil was going to use with his Pietenpol. We could
be working on any type of wooden airplane. Most of the questions I had
last year were from folks restoring classic wooden airplanes.
Ben Charvet
On 11/16/2015 12:27 PM, Tony Crawford wrote:
> Hi, Skip and company Built my Fin and rudder last year! It's awesome.
> So, I was wondering if you WOOD like to build my Horizontal Stab and
> my Elevators??
>
> Tony
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:21 AM, dgaldrich > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Hello all and especially new members/builders
>
> The wood demonstration shop that builds projects at Sun n Fun is
> looking for a lucky individual who wants a head start and some
> hands-on experience working with wood.
>
> Here's the deal. We have enough nice Douglas Fir and Okoume
> plywood to build a complete fuselage OR we have enough to build
> several sets of tail feathers. If you are a new builder who wants
> to learn the fine art of wood aircraft construction under the
> experienced tutelage of Skip Gadd, Ben Charvet, and the rest of
> the usual suspects, let us know and we can help. Our preference
> is to have you there for at least part of the time but that is not
> a requirement. The only other requirement is that it's an as-is,
> where-is deal. You've got to provide your own transportation
> back home. I will be driving from Florida to Maine in early June
> and if you live close to the I-95 corridor, I can deliver but
> other than that, you're on your own.
>
> We are not locked in to fuselage or tail feathers and if you have
> some other ideas, we are willing to consider them. For example,
> if you have the wing spars and ribs ready for assembly, we could
> probably do that.
>
> Contact Skip, Ben, or myself for further information.
>
> Dave Aldrich
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| Subject: | Re: Sun n Fun 2016 Project |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
For everyone:
Ben brings up a good point. Pietenpols have been a favorite of the wood shop for
2 reasons. The first is simplicity. Plywood gussets and wood sticks are about
as simple as you can get. The second is familiarity. Between us, we've
built at least 6 fuselages, several sets of tail feathers and dozens of ribs.
That doesn't mean we wouldn't like to do something different. I believe Flybabies
and Volksplanes have similar construction. KR-2's might be a stretch but
with enough advance prep work, we could certainly contribute a lot of man-hours
and expertise. The Fisher line might also be worthwhile considering.
For Tony:
We'll give you a tentative maybe on the horizontal stab and elevators. Keep in
touch.
Dave Aldrich
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| From: | "oldbird" <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
Hi
I realized one of the drawings specify "braze" and the other nothing for the rudder
bar pivot bolt. None says "weld". Braze and weld are not the same. To my
knowledge, AN bolts are made of some alloy steel. Most likely containing chromium
and heat treated. Usually they harden when heated red hot and left to cool.
This causes a boundary of different crystal structures at and beside the welded
area. This is a danger area in starting a crack.
This brings up a question to my mind: What type of bolts did Mr. Pietenpol use?
Were AN hardware available as early as 1920s, in Minnesota? This will also help
my decision about the bolts I am going to use in my Piet. My guess: Mr. Pietenpol
used normal grade 8 bolts.
Regards and happy landings.
Semih
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
In the plans, the only reference to any fastener specification that I could find
was on the drawing sheet for the split landing gear. In the materials list,
the bolts are listed as "nickel steel." So, it might be safe to assume that
this would be the type of fasteners used throughout the aircraft, when it was
designed.
Nickel Steel is an alloy steel, with nickel being added to the steel for added
strength, ductility and corrosion resistance. However, finding fasteners made
of Nickel Steel in today's world is a challenge. Perhaps they were readily
available in the 1930s.
Bill C.
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| From: | Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
And probably cost less than a nickel!
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 19, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Bill Church wrote:
>
>
> In the plans, the only reference to any fastener specification that I could find
was on the drawing sheet for the split landing gear. In the materials list,
the bolts are listed as "nickel steel." So, it might be safe to assume that
this would be the type of fasteners used throughout the aircraft, when it was
designed.
> Nickel Steel is an alloy steel, with nickel being added to the steel for added
strength, ductility and corrosion resistance. However, finding fasteners made
of Nickel Steel in today's world is a challenge. Perhaps they were readily
available in the 1930s.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=449744#449744
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun n Fun 2016 Project |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Hi Tony
Looks like we will be able to do your horizontal stab and elevators (or flippers)
this year. The only fly in the ointment is that Skip is not driving back up
through Atlanta and can't deliver it. If you know anybody who could pick them
up or if anybody on this list is going back trough Atlanta and could deliver,
that would be great. More to follow...
For the rest of you, we are going to do something incredibly heretical at Sun N
Fun -- work on a KR-2. I know, enclosed cockpit, side by side, low wing, fast,
yada, yada. Quelle horreur. But here's the deal. A gentleman inherited a
KR-2 project from a person who had the audacity to pass away before he finished.
He is donating the project to us to work on and then pass it on to another
deserving party. We haven't seen the project and have no details as to what
stage it is and what quality work has been done but we'll find out soon enough,
hopefully.
Dave
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| From: | "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
oldbird wrote:
> Hi
>
> I realized one of the drawings specify "braze" and the other nothing for the
rudder bar pivot bolt. None says "weld". Braze and weld are not the same. To my
knowledge, AN bolts are made of some alloy steel. Most likely containing chromium
and heat treated. Usually they harden when heated red hot and left to cool.
This causes a boundary of different crystal structures at and beside the welded
area. This is a danger area in starting a crack.
>
> This brings up a question to my mind: What type of bolts did Mr. Pietenpol use?
Were AN hardware available as early as 1920s, in Minnesota? This will also
help my decision about the bolts I am going to use in my Piet. My guess: Mr. Pietenpol
used normal grade 8 bolts.
>
> Regards and happy landings.
>
> Semih
Semih
You will feel much better when flying your Piet knowing you used AN hardware throughout
-- except for that rudder bar pivot bolt. I tig welded mine and have
had no problems through 75 hrs of flying and heavy rudder use. The cadmium on
a hot AN bolt is not something you want to inhale. Used a grade 8 for that one.
Rick H
--------
Rick Holland
NX6819Z
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| From: | "Jack Textor" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Piet friends, for those that have rigged their rudder I have a couple of
questions. This one may be hard to detail but how tight do you tension the
cables? Also I've seen turnbuckles on the rudder end and others in the
cockpit aft the rudder bar. What's the preferred method?
Thanks
Jack Textor
West Des Moines, IA
515-490-5177
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| Subject: | Re: Rigging Rudder |
| From: | "Andre B. Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: Rigging Rudder |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jack,
I have rudder peddles in mine. I will let someone with a rudder bar answer your
tension question.
If you are able to put you turn buckles in the front it will help to keep the tail
heavy tendicies in check. It is just a very small detail but worth it in the
end.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Rigging Rudder |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack;
My airplane has two sets of cables leading back from each end of the rudder bar.
One set goes to the rudder and one set goes to the tailwheel, and both sets
have turnbuckles at the aft ends, which makes them very easy to get to. However,
once they are tensioned there should not be any need to get to them very
often so there is something to be said for putting them at the rudder bar where
they are essentially on the CG and not way out at the tail where the effect
of weight is most evident.
As you know, some builders just run one cable aft from the rudder bar and either
attach short tailwheel steering cables onto the rudder cables "bridle-style",
or they steer the tailwheel using horns at the bottom of the rudder, JN-1 style,
like Ernie Moreno's:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/tailwh01.jpg . I think the JN-1 arrangement puts extra load on the bottom of the rudder when this is done, and it should be beefed up. I don't have my Grega plans handy but I'm pretty sure the Grega has extra beef in that area.
As to the cable tension, my rudder and tailwheel cables are just snugged to take
out the slack and then maybe take an extra half-turn of the turnbuckle. For
one thing, my cables run through fairleads going aft, so they don't slap around
if they're not twangy-tight. For another thing, there really isn't a lot of
friction in the rudder control system and you're operating it with some of the
largest muscles and "levers" in your body, so nothing is gained by tightening
the cables real tight. By all means, make sure they're tight enough to keep
flutter at bay though.
Like Ernie's, my tailwheel connection chains have springs on them where they connect
to the steering horns at the tailwheel, so those cables are self-tensioning
to some extent, so no point in tightening the cables past the point where
the springs start to act.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | sky diving (off topic) |
This is true=2C and paratrooper Steve Dortch (on this list) can confirm it.
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| Subject: | Source for smooth tires? |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
I am putting together a new set of wire wheels, going the route of hubs from Ken
Perkins being laced to aluminum alloy wheels by Buchanan's. So far so good,
but I have not been able to find smooth tires other than the Firestone Smooth
Clincher at Coker:
https://www.cokertire.com/tires/styles/motorcycle-bike/firestone-smooth-all-black.html
These fit a 1.77" rim, I'm not sure what diameter. I'm also not sure what "clincher"
means.
I know others have used the ribbed Avon M6 Speedmasters, for instance, they look
great on Jim Markle's build, but I like the look of the smooth tires. The Avons
are also fairly low profile and I like the look of a larger tire.
Does anyone have sources or information on smooth tires?
Thanks,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Source for smooth tires? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jeff; I'm not going to be of much help here, but at least you'll have a little
bit of company on a very quiet list ;o) They say that turkey contains some sort
of soporific chemical, so maybe that explains why everybody seems to be asleep
right now.
I have heard this question asked, and more than once I've read where people suggest
cutting, grinding, or sanding off the tread, ribs or lugs on a conventional
tire to get them smooth. I'm sure this doesn't leave you with very much left
on the tire, but if you start with 6-ply tires, maybe there will be enough
in the body of the tire to give you a season or two of flying without the normal
wear surfaces on your tires. It sounds like the price you may have to pay
for the look of smooth tires. The only other place I've seen tires like that
was on the old open-wheel Indy cars, but those would be much larger than what
you're interested in.
Too bad you don't have 6.00x6s... I could send you my tires after I wear the tread
off them. Couple of hundred landings on pavement seems to do the trick, especially
in x-winds.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Source for smooth tires? |
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Hello Piet friends. I have my tail mounted with the elevator cables connected.
I'm still determining the best run for the rudder cables. With full deflection
of the elevators, where the cables will exit the fuselage there is an inch
or two of movement up/down, side to side.
How many of you have utilized fairleads for the cables where they exit the fuselage
to stabilize them?
Thanks!
Jack
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Jack Textor
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| From: | Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
The vertical movement to me appeared rather minimal so I elected not to. I did
use some thin UHMW on the wood verticals to protect them should the cables vibrate
or rub.
But I am not flying yet.....
Scott K
Burlington
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> On Nov 28, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Jack wrote:
>
>
> Hello Piet friends. I have my tail mounted with the elevator cables connected.
I'm still determining the best run for the rudder cables. With full deflection
of the elevators, where the cables will exit the fuselage there is an inch
or two of movement up/down, side to side.
>
> How many of you have utilized fairleads for the cables where they exit the fuselage
to stabilize them?
> Thanks!
> Jack
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
No fairleads at the exit point, but there are fairleads on verticals inside the
fuselage. At the exit point, we glued on tear-shaped pieces of leather. These
are rubbed by the cables and need replacing every few hundred hours or so.
________________________________________
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
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on behalf of Jack [jack(at)textors.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 7:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fairleads
Hello Piet friends. I have my tail mounted with the elevator cables connected.
I'm still determining the best run for the rudder cables. With full deflection
of the elevators, where the cables will exit the fuselage there is an inch
or two of movement up/down, side to side.
How many of you have utilized fairleads for the cables where they exit the fuselage
to stabilize them?
Thanks!
Jack
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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On Saturday, November 28, 2015, 6:26 AM, Jack wrote:
Hello Piet friends.=C2- I have my tail mounted with the elevator cables c
onnected.=C2- I'm still determining the best run for the rudder cables.
=C2- With full deflection of the elevators, where the cables will exit th
e fuselage there is an inch or two of movement up/down, side to side.
How many of you have utilized fairleads for the cables where they exit the
fuselage to stabilize them?
Thanks!
Jack
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douwe(at)douwestudios.com> |
| Subject: | source for smooth tires |
Hey Jeff,
I have researched this question for years. There are no smooth tires
available other than clinchers.
If you want smooth tires using a modern tire/rim design you will have to
grind off the tread of some pre-existing tire. I ground off the lugs of a
thick carcass knobby dirt bike tire. I wrote an article about it in one of
the bpa newsletters (back when we had those types of things) it maybe took
half a day.
If you're interested, I still have my 21" alloy Sun rims from Buchannans and
the tires I smoothed up. I am using clinchers now.
Douwe
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Look up control cable fairings at aircraft spruce. They look good and
aerodynamic. I put them on mine.
They will add 5 knots to your cruise speed or I will refund the cost of
this advice.
Blue skies,
Steve D
On Nov 28, 2015 6:22 AM, "Jack" wrote:
>
> Hello Piet friends. I have my tail mounted with the elevator cables
> connected. I'm still determining the best run for the rudder cables. With
> full deflection of the elevators, where the cables will exit the fuselage
> there is an inch or two of movement up/down, side to side.
>
> How many of you have utilized fairleads for the cables where they exit the
> fuselage to stabilize them?
> Thanks!
> Jack
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser - Just Two Days Left! - Still Well Behind... |
Dear Listers,
There are just two more full days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. Over the
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At this point, unfortunately, we are still well behind last year in total Contributions
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| From: | Semih Oksay <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Finally on the Gear! |
Dear Jack
I am building my landing gear. Can you kindly give the sizes of your rims
and tires.
Regards
Semih=8B
2015-11-04 0:35 GMT+02:00 Jack :
> Have seen articles re toe in that a little is good. Mine is a fraction
> out.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
> On Nov 3, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Charles Burkholder
> wrote:
>
> Looks great Jack. I am almost off the saw horses and on the landing gear
> too but discovered a bit of toe-in that I need to fix. After having a jig
> that had everything perfectly straight and square for welding it still
> managed to toe when I put it on the fuselage.
> Charles
>
> On 10/30/2015 7:23 PM, Jack Textor wrote:
>
> Kind of fun times! Long way to go
>
>
> Jack Textor
>
> West Des Moines, IA
>
> 515-490-5177
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Date: 07/10/15
>
>
--
Semih Oksay
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| From: | "Jack Textor" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Finally on the Gear! |
Sure Semih
Rims are DID 1.85x19 Aluminum
Tires, Cheng Shin 3.32/85H 19
Rated for 470 lbs
Jack
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Semih
Oksay
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Finally on the Gear!
Dear Jack
I am building my landing gear. Can you kindly give the sizes of your
rims and tires.
Regards
Semih=8B
2015-11-04 0:35 GMT+02:00 Jack >:
Have seen articles re toe in that a little is good. Mine is a fraction
out.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
On Nov 3, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Charles Burkholder > wrote:
Looks great Jack. I am almost off the saw horses and on the landing gear
too but discovered a bit of toe-in that I need to fix. After having a
jig that had everything perfectly straight and square for welding it
still managed to toe when I put it on the fuselage.
Charles
On 10/30/2015 7:23 PM, Jack Textor wrote:
Kind of fun times! Long way to go
Jack Textor
West Des Moines, IA
515-490-5177
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
Date: 07/10/15
--
Semih Oksay
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: source for smooth tires |
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| From: | gliderx5(at)comcast.net |
Hi all
I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. This is just a quick note to let you Comcast eliminated my Pietenpol website so I have created a new one under the Wiener Dog Aero domain. http://wienerdogaero.com/Airplanes.php has links to my various airplanes including the Piet. I will add to it as time permits.
Enjoy
Malcolm Morrison
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| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Hi Malcolm I always knew you were an interesting and talented guy but wow yo
ur site shows your many interests and talents! Thanks for sharing!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Nov 28, 2015, at 6:35 PM, gliderx5(at)comcast.net wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. This is just a quick note to let you C
omcast eliminated my Pietenpol website so I have created a new one under the
Wiener Dog Aero domain. http://wienerdogaero.com/Airplanes.php has links to
my various airplanes including the Piet. I will add to it as time permits.
>
> Enjoy
> Malcolm Morrison
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free from
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Matt Dralle
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again
- 52, so don't remind me! :-) But it also means that it's that last official
day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about
picking up one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on
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it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
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Matt Dralle
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douwe(at)douwestudios.com> |
Hey all,
I have a pair of 5X500 wheels and need some Cleveland brakes for them. I
actually have one of the brakes which I can rebuild so technically I only
need one, but two would work great. I just need the brakes, not the
wheels/disk part. Can rebuild
Douwe
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hi Douwe,
Are you looking for the Caliper or Brake pads? Maybe if you you had a part number
or some pics of you are trying to match. Do you know what kind of plane your
part came from? I will ask around for you. I gave my last one away a couple
of years ago. It was from a Cessna 150.
Is there by chance an airplane salvage yard near you? They will probably have
what you are looking for.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=450726#450726
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | OT not Pietenpol but flying |
Just gotta brag a little.
Yesterday in Zero wind conditions. My buddy and I flew his 1947 Aeronca
Champ for .8 hours and did 80 Touch and Goes! I actually did 30 touch and
goes on one pass down the 6500 ft runway at WDG.
The plane was cold soaked and the 65 HP engine had to be throttled
up gently to keep from killing it. (no accelerator pump).
Ya Hoo! not sure where you can more fun than that (with your clothes on.)
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: OT not Pietenpol but flying |
You lucky bum!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 4, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Steven Dortch wrote:
>
> Just gotta brag a little.
>
> Yesterday in Zero wind conditions. My buddy and I flew his 1947 Aeronca Champ
for .8 hours and did 80 Touch and Goes! I actually did 30 touch and goes on one
pass down the 6500 ft runway at WDG.
>
> The plane was cold soaked and the 65 HP engine had to be throttled up gently
to keep from killing it. (no accelerator pump).
> Ya Hoo! not sure where you can more fun than that (with your clothes on.)
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: OT not Pietenpol but flying |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
That works out to one every 36 seconds, Steve. Now I know you're in Texas, but
even *that* is stretching the brag just a little bit. You can't count every
skip and porpoise as a touch-n-go ;o)
I had a lot of fun one morning when I was getting checked out in a Cub here in
Oregon, back when we used to have a crosswind runway 09-27 across our main runway,
14-32. Nobody else in the pattern, essentially no wind, and my instructor
had us flying sort of a figure-8 pattern from the departure end of 14, over
to the approach end of 27, touch-n-go to the approach end of 32, and doing that
over and over. Full-stall landings, wheel landings, max performance takeoffs,
short/soft field approaches, for a little over an hour. I'll bet I logged
15 landings, although many of them only slowed to a roll on landing and weren't
full stop. My instructor that day was air ambulance pilot and good friend Mike
Newlun, and he is what we used to call in Texas "a tall drink of water", so
there wasn't much view of the instruments from the rear cockpit where I was
flying.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=450768#450768
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| Subject: | Re: OT not Pietenpol but flying |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Oscar, how on earth did he fold himself into the front seat to start with? He
must have extra joints in his legs...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=450789#450789
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| Subject: | Re: OT not Pietenpol but flying |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Dave; you don't understand Mike Newlun. His daily driver is a 1970s VW Bug, so
he probably has extra joints built into his legs already. He used to own a Luscombe,
so he has always been a "vintage" taildragger pilot and used to a little
bit of wiggling to get in. I never noticed him hesitate after propping the
Cub, walking around the struts to the door, and climbing in. You just do it.
Mike also checked me out in a Super Cub up here and he taught me some tricks about
flying them in and out of short, soft, unimproved, and one-way strips. Not
as much as you learn in Alaska, but I think I could hold my own in most basic
flying situations in a Cub or Super Cub and have a lot of fun trying it. The
one thing I still wish I could do is fly one on floats. I've read the books,
I've watched the videos, and I'm just itching to try operating an airplane on
floats... perhaps even getting three letters added to my pilot certification:
"sea". Now you know why I had a set of plans for the Muktuk homebuilt floats
that I lent to Dick Navratil to build at Sun 'n' Fun. I could at least see
*somebody* finish a set of floats and fly them.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: OT not Pietenpol but flying |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
My son is getting pretty good at rural north Georgia bush flying in the Piet.
He's landing in several friend's farms and very proficient at our place which
is one direction on a hill side. We both got up last week.
As far as consecutive landings, one day on cruise all the planets lined up and
the recovery became a "bagex". The deck just kept sending us back up into the
pattern. The f18s ran out of gas first, then the tomcats, then the ea6, then
the a6s. So it was me and one other s3.
A normal carrier pattern is 600 feet, one mile abeam, turn to give yourself 35
to 45 seconds of straight away, or groove time. Well, knew this couldn't last
forever, you could see the guy getting shot off the cat putting the stick over
so he'd turn immediately off the deck because his spoilers would come up. In
fact if they didn't, you gave him a ration on the back radio.
We were maybe 1/2 mile abeam, three fifty max altitude, 20 seconds in the groove.
Perfectly out of sync, one guy abeam, the other getting shot.
We both got 13 consecutive carrier landings. It was awesome!
I love flying, but REALLY love pattern work.
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| Subject: | Re: OT not Pietenpol but flying |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Great story Mike thanks for sharing! A dear friend flys 47's and triple 7's for
the CIA. His description of his first carrier landing was breathtaking. I
would like to hear about yours next time we get together!
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
> On Dec 7, 2015, at 7:06 AM, "tools" wrote:
>
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> My son is getting pretty good at rural north Georgia bush flying in the Piet.
He's landing in several friend's farms and very proficient at our place which
is one direction on a hill side. We both got up last week.
>
> As far as consecutive landings, one day on cruise all the planets lined up and
the recovery became a "bagex". The deck just kept sending us back up into the
pattern. The f18s ran out of gas first, then the tomcats, then the ea6, then
the a6s. So it was me and one other s3.
>
> A normal carrier pattern is 600 feet, one mile abeam, turn to give yourself 35
to 45 seconds of straight away, or groove time. Well, knew this couldn't last
forever, you could see the guy getting shot off the cat putting the stick over
so he'd turn immediately off the deck because his spoilers would come up.
In fact if they didn't, you gave him a ration on the back radio.
>
> We were maybe 1/2 mile abeam, three fifty max altitude, 20 seconds in the groove.
Perfectly out of sync, one guy abeam, the other getting shot.
>
> We both got 13 consecutive carrier landings. It was awesome!
>
> I love flying, but REALLY love pattern work.
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: OT not Pietenpol but flying |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Not sure if I asked before...Mike, know any S-3 Drivers named Ginter or
Brandenburg? (Gintac or Brandy)
On Dec 7, 2015 8:47 AM, "Jack" wrote:
>
> Great story Mike thanks for sharing! A dear friend flys 47's and triple
> 7's for the CIA. His description of his first carrier landing was
> breathtaking. I would like to hear about yours next time we get together!
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Jack Textor
>
> > On Dec 7, 2015, at 7:06 AM, "tools" wrote:
> >
> >
> > My son is getting pretty good at rural north Georgia bush flying in the
> Piet. He's landing in several friend's farms and very proficient at our
> place which is one direction on a hill side. We both got up last week.
> >
> > As far as consecutive landings, one day on cruise all the planets lined
> up and the recovery became a "bagex". The deck just kept sending us back
> up into the pattern. The f18s ran out of gas first, then the tomcats, then
> the ea6, then the a6s. So it was me and one other s3.
> >
> > A normal carrier pattern is 600 feet, one mile abeam, turn to give
> yourself 35 to 45 seconds of straight away, or groove time. Well, knew
> this couldn't last forever, you could see the guy getting shot off the cat
> putting the stick over so he'd turn immediately off the deck because his
> spoilers would come up. In fact if they didn't, you gave him a ration on
> the back radio.
> >
> > We were maybe 1/2 mile abeam, three fifty max altitude, 20 seconds in
> the groove. Perfectly out of sync, one guy abeam, the other getting shot.
> >
> > We both got 13 consecutive carrier landings. It was awesome!
> >
> > I love flying, but REALLY love pattern work.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=450793#450793
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| Subject: | Re: OT not Pietenpol but flying |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Be happy to tell what I remember of it... Hehe. The first cat was even better!
Uh,think you did, and pretty sure I don't! Do you know about when they were flying
them? I was in the community from 91 to 97 or so.
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| Subject: | Re: OT not Pietenpol but flying |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Southern written all over that one..hah!
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KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
Slick 4330's
AN Hardware
Airframe 755TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
GO ARMY! BEAT NAVY!
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve,
21-17. Navy wins. Say no more...
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
If somebody wanted to get into the air quickly and inexpensively=2C here's
an Ultra Piet that looks very clean and complete. Kawasaki 440 2-stroke=2C
but it looks like it was built to come in under Part 103 which would mean
no airman medical=2C no biennial flight review=2C and some inexpensive solo
flying. Modesto=2C CA area:
http://modesto.craigslist.org/for/5317774179.html I have no idea whose ultr
alight it is or who the seller is. Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C OR
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| Subject: | I need William Wynne's W & B data |
Hello,
Could anyone tell me where I can buy William Wynne's
weight and balance data ?
I tried sending an email to 'The Piet Shop' but have not
had a reply yet.
I need to see the data as soon as possible.
Thanks,
Patricia
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Army has a harder time recruiting. Post graduation cadets will probably
deploy as a combat arms officer. Our 2lts suffer a disproportionate number
of casualties.
Steve D
On Dec 12, 2015 8:15 PM, "jarheadpilot82"
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Steve,
>
> 21-17. Navy wins. Say no more...
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=450908#450908
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
Besides, who wants to be in the army?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
Dortch
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: OT
Army has a harder time recruiting. Post graduation cadets will probably
deploy as a combat arms officer. Our 2lts suffer a disproportionate
number of casualties.
Steve D
On Dec 12, 2015 8:15 PM, "jarheadpilot82" > wrote:
>
Steve,
21-17. Navy wins. Say no more...
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Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: I need William Wynne's W & B data |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Pietenpol Weight and Balance Article Source (http://flycorvair.net/2014/03/08/pietenpol-weight-and-balance-article-source/)
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hmmm... Tough one. Im obviously biased!
Gotta say though, spent one weekend at west point, SUPER steeped in tradition.
Even a little more than annapolis. Was pretty cool.
As far as post graduation. The army flies helos like the rest of the world drives
busses, they get in and go. Everywhere. All the time. STUPID tactical.
And honestly, thats the name of the game. Real warriors dont like fighting from
the sidelines, they want to be tactical and the army offers that second only
to the coast guard.
However... Hehe... A warm meal and decent bed isnt horrible!
In the end, its really not a tough question. GO NAVY!!!!
Tools, who loves giving army guys a hard time, but sure as hell wont let a civilian
guy or air force guy do it!
Ps... So you know im not THAT biased. Army did great. It was theirs to lose.
Bravo!
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| Subject: | Re: I need William Wynne's W & B data |
I emailed Doc Mosher's 'Piet shop'
https://sites.google.com/site/docspietshop/
at the email address listed on his pietshop website
[where the W & B articles and data are listed for sale]
but have not had a reply yet.
Patricia
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| Subject: | Re: I need William Wynne's W & B data |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I would simply mail the check to the address listed in the article. You will get
the articles. That is how I got mine.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: I need William Wynne's W & B data |
jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> I would simply mail the check to the address listed in the article. You will
get the articles. That is how I got mine.
I have read the article and also seen Doc Mosher's website
[ Doc Mosher has a website called 'Pietenpol Plans Plus'
https://sites.google.com/site/docspietshop/home
and sell plans plus the W & B data collected by William Wynne]
I'm located in Canada and emailed to the email address listed on the site
several days ago because I wanted to check that he does ship to Canada
but have had no reply yet
I will go ahead and mail the cheque.
Patricia
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Nice looking airplane.
If someone does buy it I suggest taking the engine off and replacing it with a
Rotax. The 440's are known for breaking crankshafts. I have had one break while
flying behind a 440. The crankshaft breaks at the flywheel and locks the engine
up. The only cure is to not use that engine.
My three cents, but worth a $1,000.00
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: I need William Wynne's W & B data |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
Are you referring to the articles in the BPA flyers? If so I can copy them
for you. C
On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 1:25 PM, pjb <pjb@ornithopter-pilot.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Could anyone tell me where I can buy William Wynne's
> weight and balance data ?
>
> I tried sending an email to 'The Piet Shop' but have not
> had a reply yet.
>
> I need to see the data as soon as possible.
>
> Thanks,
> Patricia
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=450919#450919
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I need William Wynne's W & B data |
Thankyou very much for your offer, I really appreciate it but
I think there is far too much data for you to try to find in the old
magazines.
Doc Mosher and William Wynne have compiled it all into one bundle
which is now available through Doc Mosher's website. The problem
that I encountered was when I emailed the website but received no reply.
This made me wonder whether the W & B data was still available.
However , several people have said that it is available so I will go ahead and
mail a cheque !
Cheers,
Patricia
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| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Just a little more information regarding the failure I occured. I was doing all
the test flying on a friends new Ultra-Pitts he had just finished building.
Just as I got to the 8 hour mark on the engine and airframe, the crank broke.
My friend was not a pilot yet so I was working on all the airspeed recommendations
for the plane and documenting said numbers so he had something to reference
when he finally got to fly it.
The day the engine broke I happened to be doing pattern work at a local dirt strip.
Working on best climb and approach speeds, etc. About 8 feet over the runway
I decided to add power and go around (no need at that point to touch down)
I added power to go around and then the prop came to an abrupt stop. I still
had runway under me, so the landing was uneventful. I coasted up to the base
of a tree, tied it down then called for a ride back to my home airport.
The owner put a Hirth engine in the plane and it has never given him or I another
problem since. The airplane has many good fun flying hours on it now.
I try to learn from others since I don't have enough time to do it all myself.
This is why I share.
Cheers all, Your results may vary
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: I need William Wynne's W & B data |
| From: | "David McBride" <dmcb84(at)hotmail.com> |
Terry, the updated address I got from Doc Mosher was the P.O. box address. That
is where I got my last set of articles from. At the time he wrote back saying
he was in the process of doing the website (2015).
Patricia, I just sent an envelope with the appropriate dollar amount and a note
describing what Articles I was interested in. Snail mail was the "fastest" response.
Although nothing is really fast when it comes to the piet. The W&B packet
is mostly articles, and has alot of information. However due to so many variations
with individual builder it requires a bit of extraction to get what you
need.
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David McBride
Rochester, NY
dmcb84(at)hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: I need William Wynne's W & B data |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
David,
Thanks for the update. Snail mail is slow enough as it is, so getting the best
address definitely helps.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Anybody besides Jack in tee shirt and cutoffs in 70 degree temperatures, that is
;o) I haven't been flying in a long time. Too long. Today we had a few hours
of clear sky and sunshine after weeks of storms and rain. I'm not whining,
because we have had drought and no snow in the mountains the last couple of
years so we sure need it, all of it. Just puts a crimp in open cockpit flying.
So I went out to the hangar and pulled Scout out, chocked the wheels, and after
a few swings of the prop, the fire lit. I had no intention of flying, just some
taxiing to warm up the oil and clear the plugs. Mine, not the airplane's
;o) It worked. After about 20 minutes I felt much better and the oil temp needle
was steadily up in the green. The Air Camper seems to be a timeless remedy.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Can't Find Turtle Deck on Plans? |
| From: | "BritishJim" <james(at)pieceofcakepr.com> |
I haven't started building yet. At the tail end of a "mental build" by looking
over the plans and trying to figure out where everything goes.
One sticking point - I can't seem to find fuselage turtle deck info/drawings on
the plans. Am I missing something?
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| Subject: | Re: Can't Find Turtle Deck on Plans? |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
Jim, I don't have a steel tube fuselage, but it seems to me that the turtle
deck could be made of wood -- just like the plans for the wooden fuselage
says. Good fortune and MERRY CHRISTMAS. Chuck
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 11:23 PM, BritishJim
wrote:
> james(at)pieceofcakepr.com>
>
> I haven't started building yet. At the tail end of a "mental build" by
> looking over the plans and trying to figure out where everything goes.
>
> One sticking point - I can't seem to find fuselage turtle deck
> info/drawings on the plans. Am I missing something?
>
> --------
> Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the
> ground....
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: anybody flying? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
2rn has been up between Scott and I every two weeks or so. Scott was up just last
week for a couple hours. He's been running around landing in friends hay
fields, kinda like she was designed to do! Warm chattanooga weather helps.
Been a very warm winter so far up here in wisconsin. If not for scheduling conflicts,
would have gotten checked out in the eaa's travel air as late as early
November. While that didn't happen, I did manage to get checked out in their
pt-1 husky. Flies a lot like a Piet, only easier to land!
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| From: | "Jack Textor" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: anybody flying? |
Mike did you get to fly the PT3
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 8:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: anybody flying?
2rn has been up between Scott and I every two weeks or so. Scott was up
just last week for a couple hours. He's been running around landing in
friends hay fields, kinda like she was designed to do! Warm chattanooga
weather helps.
Been a very warm winter so far up here in wisconsin. If not for scheduling
conflicts, would have gotten checked out in the eaa's travel air as late as
early November. While that didn't happen, I did manage to get checked out
in their pt-1 husky. Flies a lot like a Piet, only easier to land!
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| Subject: | Re: anybody flying? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Ya. It's the only one known to be flying. There's another registered, but no
info. It's got a cont 220 up front, a little overpowered. The difference between
full throttle and about half is around 5 mph, and a lot of face slapping!
It was a failure as a trainer because it's just too easy to land. It really is,
just a cream puff. Good vis, not squirrelly at all, just super well mannered.
I might be able to convince them to let me bring it to brodhead some year.
We can't give paid rides in it because there was never a civilian type certificate,
so it lives in the experimental category. Sad, when I flew it, that was
probably it's last flight for several to who knows how many years.
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| Subject: | Re: Can't Find Turtle Deck on Plans? |
| From: | "BritishJim" <james(at)pieceofcakepr.com> |
I'm actually building the wood fuselage.
Just can't find that darn turtle deck anywhere on the plans!
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| Subject: | Re: Can't Find Turtle Deck on Plans? |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
While you are finishing your "mental build" you might as well spend the money and
buy a copy of the 1932 Flyer & Glider Manual from the EAA bookstore. Pages
19 and 20 include a small discussion, and is the source of the attached picture.
Just enough picture to encourage you to buy a copy.
Barring that, westcoastpiet.com should have a ton of pictures that you can review.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: anybody flying? |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
That is definitely not what I was told by the folks who rebuilt it. Perhaps they
overlooked something? I know they would love to use it like a certified plane.
They get around the rules some how and use it for their military pilot fantasy
camp event they do every few years. Other than that, we don't use it for much.
We've put 220s on several planes that didn't have them originally, including the
travel air and swallow.
Would love to know about the other one as well.
Thanks!
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| From: | "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Can't Find Turtle Deck on Plans? |
Jim
The turtle deck formers are on the lower right corner of sheet "Drawing No.
1" (as labeled in the upper right corner). My turtle deck stringers are
1"x1/4" but I'm not sure where I got that from.
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestcoastPiet.com
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I haven't started building yet. At the tail end of a "mental build" by
looking over the plans and trying to figure out where everything goes.
One sticking point - I can't seem to find fuselage turtle deck info/drawings
on the plans. Am I missing something?
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| Subject: | Re: anybody flying? |
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| Subject: | Re: Can't Find Turtle Deck on Plans? |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: anybody flying? |
| From: | "Dennis Vetter" <minimax103(at)hotmail.com> |
I went flying late yesterday for 1/2an hour. It was 45 degrees at 4:30pm. Sunset
is about 4:45. It's been warm and wet for Dec. in Iowa. This might be the last
flight until next year. Or maybe not. Short Video https://youtu.be/mOOn6WDyJJU
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| Subject: | Re: Can't Find Turtle Deck on Plans? |
| From: | "BritishJim" <james(at)pieceofcakepr.com> |
Perfect info guys. Thanks so much!
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| Subject: | Is the metal fabrication realistic for a total newbie? |
| From: | "BritishJim" <james(at)pieceofcakepr.com> |
I'm currently going through the plans in detail and am fairly comfortable with
the woodworking part of things. I've not got any more experience than balsa models,
but am sure I can learn some new skills as I go and manage it.
But...metal fabrication...that's another story! I've got absolutely no experience/tools
for it and, looking at the plans, it appears daunting to say the very
least.
Has anyone else accomplished the metal components without prior experience? I live
in the middle of nowhere so don't have any options for classes or finding
a mentor.
It's the only bit of the build that is making me have second thoughts. But perhaps
the plans are more daunting than the process actually is?
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| Subject: | Re: Is the metal fabrication realistic for a total newbie? |
| From: | "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com> |
YES. I had never done this before either. MANY of the fittings are made from
strip steel from 5/8" to 1" and are cut in seconds- yes seconds - using a high
quality hack saw blade. Order material from Aircraft spruce or any source of
metal.
You should really get Tony Bingelis books. It describes metal fitting fabrication,
the best tools to form the more complex shaped parts, etc.
Check out this FREE CAD tool at emachineshop.com I used their program to layout
the LG fitting, elevator and aileron horns, and dash panels. They will make
your parts for you with water jet cutting - or you can export to AutoCAD format
and send to any machine shop with a water jet cutter and you have instant fittings!
A simple jig saw with a variable speed control makes cutting aluminum a snap.
Find a power band saw on ebay or order from Harbor Freight
Stand tall Jim. If you cant make metal fittings you have no place in experimental
aviation and home building. Sorry if that sounded a bit harsh. If you want
to build an airplane you can.
I was guilty of turning mole hills into mountains when I started to tear down my
Corvair core. So many mysterious terms like "end play" and "Plasti-guage".
When I got off my but and began asking others for help I realized how dumb I
was being. I completed my corvair in 368 days - after letting it languise for
3 years in the corner of my garage.
Engage, ask questions, fail, learn, build fly!
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Is the metal fabrication realistic for a total newbie? |
| From: | "Lorenzo" <larharris2(at)msn.com> |
Yes, you can do it. But it may take some effort.
I am a wood worker. The wood pieces go easily for me. I had the fuselage built,
and the ribs done, and the spars made in short order.
I am not a metal worker. I still have to force myself to think about proper sequences,
and then go out to the shop to get something done. Making all the fittings
has gone slowly for me, but I'm getting there. But like many have said here,
just do SOMETHING each day and you will be finished before you know it.
You CAN do it.
Lorenzo
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| Subject: | Re: Is the metal fabrication realistic for a total newbie? |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Bob said it best. If you want to build an airplane, you can.
You have asked plenty of questions, but your next step should be to START.
Pick something simple. Take your pick. Just make one of something. If it is done
well, then move on to another piece. If not, then redo it.
FWIW, I made my lift strut fittings three times. I just was not happy with the
work the first two times, so I redid them until they were acceptable. And no,
I had never even touched 4130 steel strips before building my airplane. But I
learned by doing, not by only reading and thinking and asking. By doing.
so get out there and get started.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Is the metal fabrication realistic for a total newbie? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Ditto what's been said, Jim. It's all do-able. And if there are a few parts that
you can't seem to produce satisfactorily, you can always find a skilled person
to do it for you.
Seems as though, every time I read about a Piet that was built back in the 30s,
when the plans first became available, the aircraft were typically built in no
more than about a year and a half. When you think about the tools and technology
that were available back then, and the average person's education level,
it really is impressive. Today, with our fancy electric drills and saws and
laser levels and TIG welders and waterjet cutters and numerically controlled brake
available to us, a project is considered as being fast-tracked if construction
takes less than two or three years. If they could do it 80 years ago, I'm
sure you can do it today.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Is the metal fabrication realistic for a total |
newbie?
I built about 1-2/3 Pietenpols, to get one acceptable one. Always buy more
material than you think you will need, because you'll likely make at least
one extra part. Never be afraid to remake a part if you are not totally
satisfied with it. As someone said, buy the Bingelis books. They will
cover 95% of what you need to know. The EAA's Aircraft Welding book shows
the rest.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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jarheadpilot82
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 11:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is the metal fabrication realistic for a total
newbie?
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Bob said it best. If you want to build an airplane, you can.
You have asked plenty of questions, but your next step should be to START.
Pick something simple. Take your pick. Just make one of something. If it is
done well, then move on to another piece. If not, then redo it.
FWIW, I made my lift strut fittings three times. I just was not happy with
the work the first two times, so I redid them until they were acceptable.
And no, I had never even touched 4130 steel strips before building my
airplane. But I learned by doing, not by only reading and thinking and
asking. By doing.
so get out there and get started.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | gcardinal(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Is the metal fabrication realistic for a total newbie? |
Others have given LOTS of good info.
I will add the following:
1. Buy a decent vise.
2. Buy an assortment of quality files.
3. Buy a 4 1/2 angle grinder with thin (.040) cut-off wheels. Buy lots of cut-off
wheels.
4. Buy a grinder.
5. Buy a Scotchbrite wheel for your grinder to polish the edges of the steel parts
prior to bending.
6. Drill undersize and ream to final size. 3/16, 1/4 and 5/16 reamers will likely
be all you need.
This is a good start, making the steel parts isn't as daunting as you might think.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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From: "BritishJim" <james(at)pieceofcakepr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 7:24:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is the metal fabrication realistic for a total newbie?
I'm currently going through the plans in detail and am fairly comfortable with
the woodworking part of things. I've not got any more experience than balsa models,
but am sure I can learn some new skills as I go and manage it.
But...metal fabrication...that's another story! I've got absolutely no experience/tools
for it and, looking at the plans, it appears daunting to say the very
least.
Has anyone else accomplished the metal components without prior experience? I live
in the middle of nowhere so don't have any options for classes or finding
a mentor.
It's the only bit of the build that is making me have second thoughts. But perhaps
the plans are more daunting than the process actually is?
--------
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Is the metal fabrication realistic for a total newbie? |
Good advice from Greg. I would add that you should buy some
=C2=BC=9D thick steel that you can then grind a different radius
on each edge for use in forming the metal pieces by persuading
(hammering) them to shape over the radius block. This is all spelled
out in the first two Bingelis books, =9CThe Sportplane
Builder=9D and =9CSportplane Construction
Techniques=9D. These two books are essential in building a
Pietenpol (or any other scratch-built airplane).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gcardinal(at)comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is the metal fabrication realistic for a
total newbie?
Others have given LOTS of good info.
I will add the following:
1. Buy a decent vise.
2. Buy an assortment of quality files.
3. Buy a 4 1/2 angle grinder with thin (.040) cut-off wheels. Buy lots
of cut-off wheels.
4. Buy a grinder.
5. Buy a Scotchbrite wheel for your grinder to polish the edges of the
steel parts prior to bending.
6. Drill undersize and ream to final size. 3/16, 1/4 and 5/16 reamers
will likely be all you need.
This is a good start, making the steel parts isn't as daunting as you
might think.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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From: "BritishJim" <james(at)pieceofcakepr.com
>
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 7:24:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is the metal fabrication realistic for a total
newbie?
>
I'm currently going through the plans in detail and am fairly
comfortable with the woodworking part of things. I've not got any more
experience than balsa models, but am sure I can learn some new skills as
I go and manage it.
But...metal fabrication...that's another story! I've got absolutely no
experience/tools for it and, looking at the plans, it appears daunting
to say the very least.
Has anyone else accomplished the metal components without prior
experience? I live in the middle of nowhere so don't have any options
for classes or finding a mentor.
It's the only bit of the build that is making me have second thoughts.
But perhaps the plans are more daunting than the process actually is?
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Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit
the ground....
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| Subject: | Re: Is the metal fabrication realistic for a total newbie? |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Seek help from your eaa chapter. I had experienced fabricators hand lead me
through the steps. And they loaned tools.
I also felt like it was a bigger issue than it was and I am "only"
finishing a restoration.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Dec 22, 2015 7:27 AM, "BritishJim" wrote:
> james(at)pieceofcakepr.com>
>
> I'm currently going through the plans in detail and am fairly comfortable
> with the woodworking part of things. I've not got any more experience than
> balsa models, but am sure I can learn some new skills as I go and manage it.
>
> But...metal fabrication...that's another story! I've got absolutely no
> experience/tools for it and, looking at the plans, it appears daunting to
> say the very least.
>
> Has anyone else accomplished the metal components without prior
> experience? I live in the middle of nowhere so don't have any options for
> classes or finding a mentor.
>
> It's the only bit of the build that is making me have second thoughts. But
> perhaps the plans are more daunting than the process actually is?
>
> --------
> Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the
> ground....
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451318#451318
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is the metal fabrication realistic for a total newbie? |
| From: | Charles Burkholder <born2fly(at)abcmailbox.net> |
Hi Jim. It is indeed possible. I was in the same boat as you with not
having any experience, tools, classes or mentors nearby and I just got
done fabricating my steel landing gear today. A friend who is an
aircraft mechanic coached me one afternoon on how to torch weld and I am
tack welding with that and then taking everything to a professional TIG
welder to complete. Like others said, plan on making more then one
piece. Some parts I made 3 or 4 times before I had it right.
Charles
On 12/22/2015 8:24 AM, BritishJim wrote:
>
> I'm currently going through the plans in detail and am fairly comfortable with
the woodworking part of things. I've not got any more experience than balsa
models, but am sure I can learn some new skills as I go and manage it.
>
> But...metal fabrication...that's another story! I've got absolutely no experience/tools
for it and, looking at the plans, it appears daunting to say the very
least.
>
> Has anyone else accomplished the metal components without prior experience? I
live in the middle of nowhere so don't have any options for classes or finding
a mentor.
>
> It's the only bit of the build that is making me have second thoughts. But perhaps
the plans are more daunting than the process actually is?
>
> --------
> Your nose is high; you're in the sky. The other way around; you'll hit the ground....
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451318#451318
>
>
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>
>
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Charles Burkholder
Visit my blog @ http://missionmechfund.blogspot.ca/
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| Subject: | MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY HOLIDAYS |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hope that everyone has a GREAT and SAFE holiday season.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451396#451396
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY HOLIDAYS |
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| Subject: | Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY HOLIDAYS |
| From: | Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Merry Christmas to All |
Merry Christmas from Barry and Nancy Davis
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| From: | Claude Corbett <isablcorky(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Merry Christmas to All |
What a beautiful lady. Thank you for your thoughtfulness.
Corky
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> On 24 Dec 2015, at 09:45, Barry Davis wrote:
>
> Merry Christmas from Barry and Nancy Davis
>
>
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| From: | pecostx51(at)yahoo.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/24/15 |
Merry Christmas to all from sunny (at the moment) Colorado Springs.
Geoff Adams
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> On Dec 25, 2015, at 1:02 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server
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> 1. 07:06 AM - MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY HOLIDAYS (AircamperN11MS)
> 2. 07:15 AM - Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY HOLIDAYS (Boatright, Jeffrey)
> 3. 07:25 AM - Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY HOLIDAYS (Scott Knowlton)
> 4. 07:45 AM - Merry Christmas to All (Barry Davis)
> 5. 09:55 AM - Re: Merry Christmas to All (Claude Corbett)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY HOLIDAYS
> From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
>
>
> Hope that everyone has a GREAT and SAFE holiday season.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451396#451396
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> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY HOLIDAYS
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> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY HOLIDAYS
> From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
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> From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Merry Christmas to All
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> Merry Christmas from Barry and Nancy Davis
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> From: Claude Corbett <isablcorky(at)aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Merry Christmas to All
>
> What a beautiful lady. Thank you for your thoughtfulness.
> Corky
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> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 24 Dec 2015, at 09:45, Barry Davis wrote:
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>> Merry Christmas from Barry and Nancy Davis
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
The list sure is slow lately. A couple of days with zero posts. Maybe I'll try
breaking the ice (pun intended) by posting a picture of the Rogue Air Parts
outdoor tail hinge factory after a fast, heavy, and very wet snowfall. Everything
under the mess seems to still be intact under there, but it may be a while
before I can get dug out and get my canopy frame and cover replaced. In previous
snows I've just gone out in the morning and bumped the underside of the
canopy with the push broom to get the buildup to slide off, but this time it was
heavy and sticky and it brought down the house before I could get out there
in the morning to unload it. As you can see in the picture, it's a very light
tubular structure, this is its second replacement canopy (the UV is very hard
on things here), and I had already replaced the uprights with wooden posts set
in 5 gal buckets full of rock because the wind kept lifting the thing. No
surprise that it couldn't handle 4 or 5 inches of wet snow ;o) I just need an
enclosed, permanent shop but our building restrictions won't permit it.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451489#451489
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| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | "wheelharp" <wheelharp(at)gmail.com> |
that's a bummer...
Would code allow (and would you have room) for a yurt? I have heard some folks
that have been restricted by building code have built pretty nice yurts for a
shop. Getting the canvas UV resistant shouldn't be any problem for a stick and
rag airplane guy ; )
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Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451497#451497
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| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Oscar,
That sure looks cold. I expect we will also have some snow this year. We've had
lows of 16 degrees several days this year already. It does warm to the upper
40's during the day with a couple of 50 degree days tossed in here and there.
I haven't flown in in 3 or 4 weeks. But I have been working on the plane doing
a few upgrades. You will need to come to the west coast gathering to see what
I've done. Nothing too major.
My wife did buy me an Ipad so I can subscribe and use ForeFlight. After the initial
purchase of the Ipad the annual contract will be worth it provided I do
some more cross country flying. I can now throw away all my paper sectionals.
The darn things were always difficult to use in an open cockpit.
Thanks for the update and have a happy new year.
Cheers,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451499#451499
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
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| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jeff,
I got the Ipad Mini4. It is about the same physical size that a folded up chart
is. I need to now fashion a way to mount it in the plane. I don't really like
flying with knee boards. I have some ideas I'm going to try. Hope it works.
I am still trying to understand the Microsoft OS. I have always used Androids.
That part is a bit frustrating for me.
I have been messing with it (ForeFlight) a little each night. I am just using the
30 day trial right now. I'll pay to subscribe when that runs out. I am wondering
if my GPS is now unneeded, or will the the Ipad drop its signal in flight
at times????? If I can lose the small GPS I have, it will give me some more
room in the cockpit. Does anyone have that answer?
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451502#451502
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Bill Rewey used to sell a nifty pack of tips and ideas that included a homemade
cockpit mount for a handheld radio. I have my copy of Bill's details somewhere,
probably in the hangar, but if he still sells them it is sure worth the money.
Perhaps Bill's handheld bracket could be modified to suit an iPad mini-?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451503#451503
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | "wheelharp" <wheelharp(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar,
I guess you cast the hinge pieces...what kind of setup do you use as far as type
of foundry, do you use sand or some other type mold, etc?
--------
Jon Jones
Ironton, MO
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451504#451504
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Good thought Oscar, BUT, I have a steel tube fuselage. Everything is different.
But all the tubing lends itself to easier mounting. Usually my first ideas
are the ones that work out the best. I always try several ideas but seem to
always go back to the first idea. Time and patience are my best friends when
doing this stuff.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451505#451505
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | Rick Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
On 12/30/2015 9:28 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> I got the Ipad Mini4. It is about the same physical size that a folded up chart
is. I need to now fashion a way to mount it in the plane. I don't really
like flying with knee boards. I have some ideas I'm going to try. Hope it works.
I am still trying to understand the Microsoft OS. I have always used Androids.
That part is a bit frustrating for me.
>
> I have been messing with it (ForeFlight) a little each night. I am just using
the 30 day trial right now. I'll pay to subscribe when that runs out. I am
wondering if my GPS is now unneeded, or will the the Ipad drop its signal in flight
at times????? If I can lose the small GPS I have, it will give me some
more room in the cockpit. Does anyone have that answer?
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451502#451502
>
>
Scott,
I have been flying with my Ipad and the internal GPS for some time now.
I use foreflight for the app. I have never lost the GPS signal. I do
have my Samsung Galaxy 4 with Avare as my backup just in case.
Rick Schreiber
NX478RS
Valparaiso, In
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Thanks Rick.
That's good to know. I could take all the GPS stuff out. My GPS was last updated
in about 1999. Sometimes it's not very useful. The great part with ForeFlight
is that everything is always current.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451507#451507
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
I started out using Foreflight. Coughed up big $$$ for iPad. Switched to
FlyQ to save $$$. Wish I hadnt. Gave iPad to wife, got Android tablet and
Garmin Pilot . Foreflight still best. And can't use cheap homemade ADS-B
antenna with Garmin, can with Foreflight.
On Dec 30, 2015 11:46 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:
> Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
>
> Thanks Rick.
>
> That's good to know. I could take all the GPS stuff out. My GPS was last
> updated in about 1999. Sometimes it's not very useful. The great part with
> ForeFlight is that everything is always current.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451507#451507
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slow list and tablets in the cockpit |
I hear great things about ForeFlight. I have had good results from using an app
called Naviator on an Android tablet. It allows download of all sectionals and
uses the internal GPS in the tablet. Weather is overlaid and obtained via the
4G connection in the tablet, which at Pietenpol altitudes, usually works. Of
course, there's a big hole in 4G coverage over West Virginia and in some other
more remote areas. I think I pay $39 a year for the service. The system got
me from Virginia to Brodhead and Oshkosh and back last year.
My big issue is that running the Naviator app and the 4G weather is a real power
hog on the tablet. A wintertime project is going to be mounting a battery box
on the firewall and installing a 12 volt battery and a cigarette lighter plug
in the panel to keep the tablet powered up.
Sectionals in the cockpit --- go back and watch Those Magnificent Men In Their
Flying Machines. Gert Frobe (played Goldfinger) plays a German officer convinced
he can learn to fly using the manual, and watching him, especially when the
book blows away in the slipstream, reminds me of every time I've tried to fold
a sectional in flight in the Piet. However, I have used the online SkySectionals
service, which allows you to download sectionals in printable 8.5X11 sheets.
I've downloaded the appropriate sectionals and the tiles I needed for a trip
and then used one of those inexpensive 3M laminators and laminated two pages
back to back and kept those as backups. They are stiff enough not to flutter
around and with two pages per lamination, not too many sheets to keep track
of except on a long trip.
Matt Paxton
Pietenpol NX629ML
Fairfield, VA
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| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jeff,
Interesting mount. Do you have it attached to your panel? Do you find that you
have any problems with glare in the Piet?
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451511#451511
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| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | Fastnaught John <fastnaught(at)windstream.net> |
Hello Scott,
I have been using an iPad mini since Feb. and with Foreflight. I have not had a
minutes worth of trouble with either. I use a kneepad and it works just fine.
There are mounts to be had for the iPad to install. I dont have any room for
the mount. I have found that the kneepad suites me just fine. No need for any
other GPS. Good Luck
Jack Fastnaught
Wire wheels
Model A
solar panel
> On Dec 30, 2015, at 10:28 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:
>
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> Jeff,
>
> I got the Ipad Mini4. It is about the same physical size that a folded up chart
is. I need to now fashion a way to mount it in the plane. I don't really
like flying with knee boards. I have some ideas I'm going to try. Hope it works.
I am still trying to understand the Microsoft OS. I have always used Androids.
That part is a bit frustrating for me.
>
> I have been messing with it (ForeFlight) a little each night. I am just using
the 30 day trial right now. I'll pay to subscribe when that runs out. I am
wondering if my GPS is now unneeded, or will the the Ipad drop its signal in flight
at times????? If I can lose the small GPS I have, it will give me some
more room in the cockpit. Does anyone have that answer?
>
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451502#451502
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
I have been using the Anywhere map freedom.
http://store.controlvision.com/
I am using a Samsung Galaxy Tab II 7 inch mini tablet. So far no problems,
though I have not used it in an open cockpit yet. The also offer an app.
Foreflight is more accepted.
On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Fastnaught John wrote:
> fastnaught(at)windstream.net>
>
> Hello Scott,
> I have been using an iPad mini since Feb. and with Foreflight. I have not
> had a minutes worth of trouble with either. I use a kneepad and it works
> just fine. There are mounts to be had for the iPad to install. I don
=99t have
> any room for the mount. I have found that the kneepad suites me just fine
.
> No need for any other GPS. Good Luck
>
> Jack Fastnaught
>
> Wire wheels
> Model A
> solar panel
> > On Dec 30, 2015, at 10:28 AM, AircamperN11MS
> wrote:
> >
> Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > I got the Ipad Mini4. It is about the same physical size that a folded
> up chart is. I need to now fashion a way to mount it in the plane. I
> don't really like flying with knee boards. I have some ideas I'm going t
o
> try. Hope it works. I am still trying to understand the Microsoft OS.
I
> have always used Androids. That part is a bit frustrating for me.
> >
> > I have been messing with it (ForeFlight) a little each night. I am just
> using the 30 day trial right now. I'll pay to subscribe when that runs
> out. I am wondering if my GPS is now unneeded, or will the the Ipad drop
> its signal in flight at times????? If I can lose the small GPS I have, i
t
> will give me some more room in the cockpit. Does anyone have that answer?
> >
> > --------
> > Scott Liefeld
> > Flying N11MS since March 1972
> > Steel Tube
> > C-85-12
> > Wire Wheels
> > Brodhead in 1996
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451502#451502
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
This is all very good conversation. I didn't realize just how archaic I am when
it comes to the flying technologies I use. I really thought I was ahead of
the Piet crowd by using the old Garmin GPS from the 1990's. I have only been
fooling myself. Geesh, I must get out more.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451524#451524
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| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | Richard Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Marcus, the homemade ADS-B not only works with Foreflight on the Ipad
but also with Wing-X Pro.
Here is a listing of the supported systems....
EFB platform support Status Details
FlyQ EFB (Seattle Avionics) 2.1+ (iOS) All currently-supported
features tested.
Naviator (Android) All currently-supported features tested.
AvNav 2.0.0+ (Android) All currently-supported features tested.
ForeFlight 7.x (iOS) All currently-supported features tested.
WingX (iOS, Android) All currently-supported features tested.
Avare EFB (Android) All currently-supported features tested.
FltPlan Go (Android) Weather works, traffic does not.
DroidEFB All currently-supported features tested.
For those interested, I have seen this system work and work it does. You
wind up getting ADS-B in for around $110 and 10 or 15 minutes of your
time. It runs off of an independent battery with enough power for a
whole days flying. It links to your receiver/smart phone or tablet
through WiFi. The entire receiver is small and could easily be put in
your hat box storage area. I just bought the parts to put one together
and they just arrived. There was a recent article about this in a recent
Sport Aviation issue.
Here is a link with more information www.stratux.me
Rick Schreiber
NX478RS
Valparaiso, IN
On 12/30/2015 10:56 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote:
>
> I started out using Foreflight. Coughed up big $$$ for iPad. Switched
> to FlyQ to save $$$. Wish I hadnt. Gave iPad to wife, got Android
> tablet and Garmin Pilot . Foreflight still best. And can't use cheap
> homemade ADS-B antenna with Garmin, can with Foreflight.
>
> On Dec 30, 2015 11:46 AM, "AircamperN11MS" > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Thanks Rick.
>
> That's good to know. I could take all the GPS stuff out. My GPS
> was last updated in about 1999. Sometimes it's not very useful.
> The great part with ForeFlight is that everything is always current.
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451507#451507
>
>
> ==========
> br> fts!)
> r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer"
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| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks, I downloaded Avare and have setup, just need to test. Yes, cheap
and easy, good instructions!
On Dec 30, 2015 3:43 PM, "Richard Schreiber" wrote:
> Marcus, the homemade ADS-B not only works with Foreflight on the Ipad but
> also with Wing-X Pro.
> Here is a listing of the supported systems....
>
> EFB platform support Status Details FlyQ EFB (Seattle Avionics) 2.1+ (iOS
)
> =9C=85 All currently-supported features tested. Naviator (Android)
=9C=85 All
> currently-supported features tested. AvNav 2.0.0+ (Android) =9C=85 All
> currently-supported features tested. ForeFlight 7.x (iOS) =9C=85 All
> currently-supported features tested. WingX (iOS, Android) =9C=85 All
> currently-supported features tested. Avare EFB (Android) =9C=85 All
> currently-supported features tested.
> FltPlan
> Go (Android) =F0=9F=9A=A7 Weather works, traffic does not.
>
> DroidEFB =9C=85 All currently-supported features tested.
>
> For those interested, I have seen this system work and work it does. You
> wind up getting ADS-B in for around $110 and 10 or 15 minutes of your tim
e.
> It runs off of an independent battery with enough power for a whole days
> flying. It links to your receiver/smart phone or tablet through WiFi. The
> entire receiver is small and could easily be put in your hat box storage
> area. I just bought the parts to put one together and they just arrived.
> There was a recent article about this in a recent Sport Aviation issue.
>
> Here is a link with more information www.stratux.me
>
> Rick Schreiber
> NX478RS
> Valparaiso, IN
>
> On 12/30/2015 10:56 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote:
>
> I started out using Foreflight. Coughed up big $$$ for iPad. Switched to
> FlyQ to save $$$. Wish I hadnt. Gave iPad to wife, got Android tablet and
> Garmin Pilot . Foreflight still best. And can't use cheap homemade ADS-B
> antenna with Garmin, can with Foreflight.
> On Dec 30, 2015 11:46 AM, "AircamperN11MS"
> wrote:
>
>> Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
>>
>> Thanks Rick.
>>
>> That's good to know. I could take all the GPS stuff out. My GPS was
>> last updated in about 1999. Sometimes it's not very useful. The great p
art
>> with ForeFlight is that everything is always current.
>>
>> --------
>> Scott Liefeld
>> Flying N11MS since March 1972
>> Steel Tube
>> C-85-12
>> Wire Wheels
>> Brodhead in 1996
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451507#451507
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> br> fts!)
>> r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
>> www.buildersbooks.com
>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on
>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> ==========
>> br> enpol-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ==========
>> FORUMS -
>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> b Site -
>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
What, pay tell, is a yurt?
On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:04 AM, wheelharp wrote:
>
> that's a bummer...
>
> Would code allow (and would you have room) for a yurt? I have heard some
> folks that have been restricted by building code have built pretty nice
> yurts for a shop. Getting the canvas UV resistant shouldn't be any problem
> for a stick and rag airplane guy ; )
>
> --------
> Jon Jones
> Ironton, MO
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451497#451497
>
>
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jon asked-
>I guess you cast the hinge pieces...what kind of setup do you use
>as far as type of foundry, do you use sand or some other type mold, etc?
Rather than continue this in the 'slow Piet list' thread, I put this into a new
subject line. Jon, I'm supposed to be making and selling sets of tail hinges
but I now have a waiting list of over a dozen builders, most of whom have probably
given up on me and gone a different route with their hinges, but 2015 has
overwhelmed me with work and I figure the good times can't last forever, I'm
turning 65 in July, and I'd better work while the work is available. So, I've
had no summers off, no vacations, very little weekend or holiday time, just
work. Not complaining, but it's keeping me from building, flying, and making
tail hinges. As soon as I get a free weekend I'll dig out the mess and try to
turn out a few sets of hinges and start working on the backlog.
To answer your question, the rough castings are sand cast by a foundry here in the good ol' US of A, the same supplier that Vi Kapler used to make the same hinges that I am supposed to be making and selling. Vi sold me his simple tools and jigs shortly before he died, so I make them the same way he did. The parts are pretty simple and durable, and I load-tested the latest batch of castings to prove to myself that they were as good as the ones that Vi had been selling. Here's a little webpage showing the test methodology and results: http://www.flysquirrel.net/loadtest.html . The test bench and work area in the pictures on that webpage are presently under a tangle of twisted tubing, ripped canopy material, snow, dirt, and who knows what else. You can also see the nearly-complete hinge parts at the bottom of this page: http://www.flysquirrel.net/rogueairparts.html
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451541#451541
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Oscar,
Do you still have some of the name plates? I would like two of each. My SkyScout
is in the final stages of assembly. Registration is in progress, then Airworthiness.
Engine goes on this week.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 30, 2015, at 7:50 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> Jon asked-
>
>> I guess you cast the hinge pieces...what kind of setup do you use
>> as far as type of foundry, do you use sand or some other type mold, etc?
>
> Rather than continue this in the 'slow Piet list' thread, I put this into a new
subject line. Jon, I'm supposed to be making and selling sets of tail hinges
but I now have a waiting list of over a dozen builders, most of whom have probably
given up on me and gone a different route with their hinges, but 2015
has overwhelmed me with work and I figure the good times can't last forever, I'm
turning 65 in July, and I'd better work while the work is available. So, I've
had no summers off, no vacations, very little weekend or holiday time, just
work. Not complaining, but it's keeping me from building, flying, and making
tail hinges. As soon as I get a free weekend I'll dig out the mess and try
to turn out a few sets of hinges and start working on the backlog.
>
> To answer your question, the rough castings are sand cast by a foundry here in the good ol' US of A, the same supplier that Vi Kapler used to make the same hinges that I am supposed to be making and selling. Vi sold me his simple tools and jigs shortly before he died, so I make them the same way he did. The parts are pretty simple and durable, and I load-tested the latest batch of castings to prove to myself that they were as good as the ones that Vi had been selling. Here's a little webpage showing the test methodology and results: http://www.flysquirrel.net/loadtest.html . The test bench and work area in the pictures on that webpage are presently under a tangle of twisted tubing, ripped canopy material, snow, dirt, and who knows what else. You can also see the nearly-complete hinge parts at the bottom of this page: http://www.flysquirrel.net/rogueairparts.html
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451541#451541
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
How about a surplus container?
https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=containers+for+sale
Also my canopy lasted for many years. I went through green,silver,white
and finaly, the best of all, almond coloured tarps.
I did have to keep track of the snow though. With the steep 45 angle on the
roof
I just had to go underneath with a broom and poke away with the bristles.
Voila, off slid the snow!
http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-06/Pietenpol5.html
A somewhat more expensive version of the same thing is a tarp garage.
Clif
I just need an enclosed, permanent shop but our building restrictions won't
permit it.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: slow Piet list |
Everything you could possibly want to know! :-)
https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=yurt
What, pay tell, is a yurt?
Would code allow (and would you have room) for a yurt? I have heard
some folks that have been restricted by building code have built pretty
nice yurts for a shop.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "M W Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
| Subject: | Happy new year and snowy r/c Piet |
Hi Pieters,
I have to go away for a few days but since the list is fairly quiet, I
just want to wish a happy and safe new year (and the rest of the year!)
to everybody on the list even though I am a fraction early saying so.
Also, since there is some snow around some places, I thought I would
post a pic from last year of my little r/c Piet on it's skis.
The Piet is now a bit over 14 years old and is still getting flown most
weekends. Like most Piets, it is very long lived and fly's just great!
Cheers to you all from Japan.
Mark S
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douwe(at)douwestudios.com> |
Hey Scott,
I used to attach my Garmin to a mount that (with a slight wooden adaptor
piece) clamped onto the top longeron in the cockpit. It would put the
Garmin up front on the right, just over the coaming and really worked well.
Can't remember the company's name that made the mount, but it's the big one
that everyone uses. They make like a million styles.
On my long flights, I started with the garmin 196 gps, and foreflight on my
iphone as a backup and a chart as a back-backup. After two 196's puked out,
and a couple years using the iphone, the Garmin went away and the iphone is
the main GPS. I made a little sheet metal bracket that slips under the
coaming stitching right in front of me so the iphone is right in front of my
face. The chart is folded away as backup.
Three years now, never had foreflight puke out on the iphone. I HAVE lost
the WX capability because that is still tower based.
By the way, where is your plane based? It think I might be driving past you
on my way from KY to L.A. next week.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Douwe,
I live in Quartz hill and I have the plane at Fox Field in Lancaster. Just 4.8
sm from front door to the hangar door. I would love to meet you if we have the
chance. I do work in LA. Just below Dodger stadium. Here is my Cell if you
want to call. 661-400-1876
I think I am going to throw the old GPS overboard in the near future. :)
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451572#451572
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
On the CSOB side:
I have used an old 4 inch garmin automobile GPS as backup to my map skills
with VORs. It has most airports and I set it to off-road. It points to the
selected airport and has a moving map with all roads, towns and water.
I have also used a cheap Magellan 200 hiking GPS as backup. It also has a
tiny map, with airports, major roads and big bodies of water. It also has a
HSI style display that displays heading, bearing, distance and ETA.
However, it is getting pretty old and freezes up or turns off sometimes.
I set one on map the other on HSI and follow with the sectional, compass
and VORs.
On the non CSOB side:
My mini tablet 7 in. Anywhere freedom program displays a moving sectional,
alerts me to airspace, can download current weather on the map just before
flight, alerts me to towers, gives me frequencies, has a quick nearest to
feature and so on. The lifetime subscription I bought has lifetime
sectionals and airport info. There is a much cheaper annual subscription.
Very similar to foreflight and several other programs.
Note, I always follow with a paper sectional or state aviation map. Long
ago I was young, lazy and trusted a LORAN that malfunctioned and it got me
very lost. I found myself, but I don't trust gadgets anymore. I use them
and follow with the sectional.
Blue skies,
Steve D
On Dec 31, 2015 8:11 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:
>
> Hey Scott,
>
>
> I used to attach my Garmin to a mount that (with a slight wooden adaptor
piece) clamped onto the top longeron in the cockpit. It would put the
Garmin up front on the right, just over the coaming and really worked
well. Can=99t remember the company=99s name that made the moun
t, but it=99s the
big one that everyone uses. They make like a million styles.
>
>
> On my long flights, I started with the garmin 196 gps, and foreflight on
my iphone as a backup and a chart as a back-backup. After two 196=99
s puked
out, and a couple years using the iphone, the Garmin went away and the
iphone is the main GPS. I made a little sheet metal bracket that slips
under the coaming stitching right in front of me so the iphone is right in
front of my face. The chart is folded away as backup.
>
>
> Three years now, never had foreflight puke out on the iphone. I HAVE
lost the WX capability because that is still tower based.
>
>
> By the way, where is your plane based? It think I might be driving past
you on my way from KY to L.A. next week.
>
>
> Douwe
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| From: | "oldbird" <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
Happy new year and merry Christmas to all Pietenpol builders and ex-builders(flyers).
Semih Oksay
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Retrying to a single list each time; first attempt at multiple lists
seems to have failed.
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From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
, kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Just saw a post on the VAF forum that Matt had a stroke yesterday. The
post quoted his facebook page:
/Matt Update: He is responding to comments being made by squeezing
Katie's hand and he was able to answer his age by using his one hand.
All early indicators are that he is doing ok.
Katie sends her thanks for the prayers and that they are definitely helping.
/
Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers, and remember that he won't
be able to deal with list maintenance issues for some time.
I'm trying to send this to the RV, aeroelectric, and kolb lists. If
you're a member of additional lists, it might be good to pass it on.
Charlie
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admin)
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Oh, my. I certainly hope that Matt pulls through this, and not just for the benefit
of us who use these lists. What a way for him to end 2015.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Douwe: would you mind posting a picture of how you have your iPhone set up directly
in front of you in the cockpit? That is just about the right distance for
me to see something like a map screen clearly while in flight, without having
to put on reading glasses. Now if I could just get Siri to understand voice
commands like, "Siri, get the current ATIS for me and then switch me to Medford
tower", we'd be in business ;o) Having to look down to change frequencies
on my little Icom always seems to result in me looking up to find myself in a
descending left spiral with increasing airspeed. Why can't I just fly the airplane
and forget about the radios??
And Steve, I'm very frugal myself, so I'm always at least one or two generations
behind in electronics and phones. I had a hiker/hunter Magellan GPS 2000 after
they got superseded by the fancier toys and were available brand-new for cheap.
I flew a 3 hour x-c out across eastern Oregon in a Super Cub with nothing
but that little gem (and folded sectionals) after I had punched in a direct
route to where I was going, and it was incredible to be able to read out groundspeed,
ground track (which helped me determine wind correction angle), elapsed
time, distance to station, and all that- without trying to use the E6B or anything
else in the cockpit. How easily we get spoiled! Now I have a perfectly
good Garmin GPSMap 196 that can do everything but mix a perfect martini and
everybody is saying it's "so yesterday"??! Having a 196 in the cockpit of an
Air Camper is like having a Garmin G1000 dual-display glass panel in a Cessna
150! The panel can do so much more than the airplane can, that you might as
well stay home and play with the panel instead of flying an old wood and fabric
airplane with that thing in front of you ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451604#451604
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
Hi Oscar,
I have a different take on the evolution of technology in the cockpit. The dedicated
aviation GPS units are like other avionics that originated in the steam
gauge era. They require mental translation into actual and useful guidance. Conversely,
apps like ForeFlight and WingX were developed from the moving maps mindset.
They are much more like simply holding a chart in your hand and flying
by pilotage. Only instead of you trying to follow a line on the chart that you
drew during preflight prep, the moving map shows you a similar preplanned course
line PLUS a line or ticker or breadcrumb, etc. that represents how you're
actually progressing across the ground. These apps are simply electronic vesions
of your chart, and thus, I argue, are truer to chart-following pilotage than
the old-thinking, dedicated GPS units.
Or something like that...
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 12:55 AM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
>
> Douwe: would you mind posting a picture of how you have your iPhone set up directly
in front of you in the cockpit? That is just about the right distance
for me to see something like a map screen clearly while in flight, without having
to put on reading glasses. Now if I could just get Siri to understand voice
commands like, "Siri, get the current ATIS for me and then switch me to Medford
tower", we'd be in business ;o) Having to look down to change frequencies
on my little Icom always seems to result in me looking up to find myself in
a descending left spiral with increasing airspeed. Why can't I just fly the airplane
and forget about the radios??
>
> And Steve, I'm very frugal myself, so I'm always at least one or two generations
behind in electronics and phones. I had a hiker/hunter Magellan GPS 2000
after they got superseded by the fancier toys and were available brand-new for
cheap. I flew a 3 hour x-c out across eastern Oregon in a Super Cub with nothing
but that little gem (and folded sectionals) after I had punched in a direct
route to where I was going, and it was incredible to be able to read out groundspeed,
ground track (which helped me determine wind correction angle), elapsed
time, distance to station, and all that- without trying to use the E6B or
anything else in the cockpit. How easily we get spoiled! Now I have a perfectly
good Garmin GPSMap 196 that can do everything but mix a perfect martini and
everybody is saying it's "so yesterday"??! Having a 196 in the cockpit of
an Air Camper is like having a Garmin G1000 dual-display glass panel in a Cessna
150! The panel can do so much more than the airpla!
> ne can, that you might as well stay home and play with the panel instead of flying
an old wood and fabric airplane with that thing in front of you ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451604#451604
>
>
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| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar,
Ditto, what Jeff stated re: usability of earlier Garmin vs. ForeFlight in the cockpit...
As a CAP Pilot, I attended the G1000 classes, and sorta-kinda learned how to use
today, but forget by morning, which buttons to push, knobs to turn, etc.
On the other hand, the iPad w/ ForeFlight is difficult to forget how to use, as
it was developed as an intuitive human interface. After having planned and flown
dozens of x-c flights here in TX, I wouldn't enter a cockpit without it.
In fact, I use the G430 in the Diamond DA-20 I fly as a radio only, as it, too,
has an ugly interface which requires near constant study to remain GPS proficient.
Happy New Year Blessings to all!
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | carburator overhaul |
| From: | "proplock" <proplock(at)federatedwildblue.com> |
Has anyone here overhauled a Bendix Stromberg NAS3A1 carb. using the available
manual? Would i get in over my head doing this? Thanks.
--------
A remarkable lad , capable of many things
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
I have watched or helped an old buddy overhaul all sorts of carbs. Not
rocket science, just follow the manual and use good parts.
Make sure you have the most updated manual.
Blue skies
Steve D
On Jan 1, 2016 9:34 AM, "proplock" wrote:
> proplock(at)federatedwildblue.com>
>
> Has anyone here overhauled a Bendix Stromberg NAS3A1 carb. using the
> available manual? Would i get in over my head doing this? Thanks.
>
> --------
> A remarkable lad , capable of many things
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451617#451617
>
>
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
I did my own 6 years ago. I replaced the float needle with the steel one bought
from Fresno airparts and followed the manual for adjusting the fuel level. Definitely
a no smoking well ventilated sort of project
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:29 AM, proplock wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone here overhauled a Bendix Stromberg NAS3A1 carb. using the available
manual? Would i get in over my head doing this? Thanks.
>
> --------
> A remarkable lad , capable of many things
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451617#451617
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Oscar and Douwe,
Thanks for all your comments and thoughts, I find them enjoyable. The other
forums are filled with ADSB-in/out, IFR fixes, 2020 requirements and such. T
he PIETENPOL forum gets right down to the basics of flying. There are not ma
ny places where we can enjoy the simple joys of flying without being critici
zed for out simplistic ways.
Although this great poem was written right after John Magee (at about 20 yea
rs of age) completed a flight to 33,000' in a Spitfire, it speaks to us who d
o fly with the larks and Eagles.
My prayers are with Matt and his family. His hard work with all the forums h
elps all of us to fly.
High Flight
"Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I=99ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
of sun-split clouds, =94 and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of =94 wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov=99ring there,
I=99ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air....
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I=99ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace.
Where never lark, or even eagle flew =94
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
- Put out my hand, and touched the face of God."
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 9:52 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> Douwe: would you mind posting a picture of how you have your iPhone set up
directly in front of you in the cockpit? That is just about the right dist
ance for me to see something like a map screen clearly while in flight, with
out having to put on reading glasses. Now if I could just get Siri to under
stand voice commands like, "Siri, get the current ATIS for me and then switc
h me to Medford tower", we'd be in business ;o) Having to look down to chan
ge frequencies on my little Icom always seems to result in me looking up to f
ind myself in a descending left spiral with increasing airspeed. Why can't I
just fly the airplane and forget about the radios??
>
> And Steve, I'm very frugal myself, so I'm always at least one or two gener
ations behind in electronics and phones. I had a hiker/hunter Magellan GPS 2
000 after they got superseded by the fancier toys and were available brand-n
ew for cheap. I flew a 3 hour x-c out across eastern Oregon in a Super Cub w
ith nothing but that little gem (and folded sectionals) after I had punched i
n a direct route to where I was going, and it was incredible to be able to r
ead out groundspeed, ground track (which helped me determine wind correction
angle), elapsed time, distance to station, and all that- without trying to u
se the E6B or anything else in the cockpit. How easily we get spoiled! Now
I have a perfectly good Garmin GPSMap 196 that can do everything but mix a p
erfect martini and everybody is saying it's "so yesterday"??! Having a 196 i
n the cockpit of an Air Camper is like having a Garmin G1000 dual-display gl
ass panel in a Cessna 150! The panel can do so much more than the airpla!
> ne can, that you might as well stay home and play with the panel instead o
f flying an old wood and fabric airplane with that thing in front of you ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451604#451604
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Jeffrey,
I like your thinking! GPS is just the new version of map and pencil pilotage! Now,
if I could keep the GPS in the glove box and have it displayed on the windscreen
of my SkyScout, I could fly heads-up and no one would know how I got to
my destination! Just leave an old folded sectional on the seat along with the
goggles!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:32 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey wrote:
>
>
> Hi Oscar,
>
> I have a different take on the evolution of technology in the cockpit. The dedicated
aviation GPS units are like other avionics that originated in the steam
gauge era. They require mental translation into actual and useful guidance.
Conversely, apps like ForeFlight and WingX were developed from the moving maps
mindset. They are much more like simply holding a chart in your hand and flying
by pilotage. Only instead of you trying to follow a line on the chart that
you drew during preflight prep, the moving map shows you a similar preplanned
course line PLUS a line or ticker or breadcrumb, etc. that represents how you're
actually progressing across the ground. These apps are simply electronic vesions
of your chart, and thus, I argue, are truer to chart-following pilotage
than the old-thinking, dedicated GPS units.
>
> Or something like that...
>
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem
>
>> On Jan 1, 2016, at 12:55 AM, "taildrags" wrote:
>>
>>
>> Douwe: would you mind posting a picture of how you have your iPhone set up directly
in front of you in the cockpit? That is just about the right distance
for me to see something like a map screen clearly while in flight, without having
to put on reading glasses. Now if I could just get Siri to understand voice
commands like, "Siri, get the current ATIS for me and then switch me to Medford
tower", we'd be in business ;o) Having to look down to change frequencies
on my little Icom always seems to result in me looking up to find myself in
a descending left spiral with increasing airspeed. Why can't I just fly the
airplane and forget about the radios??
>>
>> And Steve, I'm very frugal myself, so I'm always at least one or two generations
behind in electronics and phones. I had a hiker/hunter Magellan GPS 2000
after they got superseded by the fancier toys and were available brand-new for
cheap. I flew a 3 hour x-c out across eastern Oregon in a Super Cub with nothing
but that little gem (and folded sectionals) after I had punched in a direct
route to where I was going, and it was incredible to be able to read out groundspeed,
ground track (which helped me determine wind correction angle), elapsed
time, distance to station, and all that- without trying to use the E6B or
anything else in the cockpit. How easily we get spoiled! Now I have a perfectly
good Garmin GPSMap 196 that can do everything but mix a perfect martini
and everybody is saying it's "so yesterday"??! Having a 196 in the cockpit of
an Air Camper is like having a Garmin G1000 dual-display glass panel in a Cessna
150! The panel can do so much more than the airp!
> la!
>> ne can, that you might as well stay home and play with the panel instead of
flying an old wood and fabric airplane with that thing in front of you ;o)
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451604#451604
>
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jeff, Tom, et al- I was in no way inferring that the Garmin-style GPS navigation
tools are more intuitive than a touchscreen on an iPhone or iPad. In fact,
that's why I asked Douwe to share a bit more about how he mounts his phone on
the coaming in front of him in the cockpit. I take my phone with me while flying,
but only for calling someone if I need to, as in an off-field landing or
other emergency. I've tried taking pictures with it while airborne and I can
do it, but it's a bit tricky. However, if it was fixed in place in front of me,
I could sure manage to pan around in a map screen to find something, or zoom
in or out with my fingers.
I know what you mean about the G1000. That's what I flew for my last BFR and it
was my first time behind a glass panel. I had watched and studied the Sporty's
training video a couple of times before going to the field, but it's like
you say- there is too much to remember if you don't use it frequently. I was
absolutely astonished at the system's capabilities, and it really isn't that difficult
to operate it if you stay at it, but I've left that type of flying behind
me in the smoke ;o) Now if you tell me you can get a HITS-type "fly through
the boxes right to the runway threshold" on an iPhone or iPad, that would
be awesome! We often have fog or low clouds pop up in a hurry around here, and
it's easy to get caught in reduced visibility or "instant IFR". In fact, when
we have wildland fires in the summer, the viz can drop to IFR in smoke, too.
Punching in a highway-in-the-sky would be a very good safety tool to have in
the toolbox.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Proplock: I have overhauled numerous different Strombergs and my A75 Piet flies
with one that I overhauled from ground zero. I will echo what the others said:
take your time, use new parts, and get all the new parts that you can. Most
of these carbs have been tinkered with a number of times over the years so they
may have buggered up screws, old gaskets, missing parts, and metal washers
where fiber ones are indicated. Use only new gaskets and make sure the gasket
surfaces are clean and flat. If yours has been sitting for a while, you may
have trouble removing some of the screws that hold things together. Don't force
anything because you will no doubt strip a screw head or mess up some aluminum.
Get some good solvent loosen frozen fasteners (one or two of mine took
a week of daily application of solvent to loosen), and good carburetor and parts
cleaner.
For me, the most important rebuild item is the exploded parts diagram because I
follow it to make sure I have each and every part and as I clean or replace each
part, I take a highlighter and yellow it out on the diagram so I don't miss
anything. Note that the Stromberg exploded view diagram has a couple of mistakes
on it though!
Dedicate a place on your workbench for the carb overhaul... there are too many
small parts to lose and too many small passages in the carb body to get crud or
dust into. Use a good light, keep everything clean, and remember that you're
dealing with a mechanically simple but operationally intricate piece of hardware
that was designed in the 1920s. That's just a few years shy of 100!! They
are reliable, they work, but they do have their nuances. Here's one of many
good references on these carbs:
http://thestrombergspecialist.com/index.php/86-news
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451628#451628
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
My old buddy, the carb guy, paints old carbs with shellac, in and out. He
just rebuilt a Ford model a carb and used shellac.
What do y'all think? Shellac is interesting stuff. A resin collected from
the lac bug, usually suspended in alcohol. Gas resistant.
He also tells people to use no Ethanol fuel as it can screw up old carbs.
You can still get 100% gas in Oklahoma where he is.
Blue skies,
Steve D
On Jan 1, 2016 11:20 AM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Proplock: I have overhauled numerous different Strombergs and my A75 Piet
> flies with one that I overhauled from ground zero. I will echo what the
> others said: take your time, use new parts, and get all the new parts that
> you can. Most of these carbs have been tinkered with a number of times
> over the years so they may have buggered up screws, old gaskets, missing
> parts, and metal washers where fiber ones are indicated. Use only new
> gaskets and make sure the gasket surfaces are clean and flat. If yours has
> been sitting for a while, you may have trouble removing some of the screws
> that hold things together. Don't force anything because you will no doubt
> strip a screw head or mess up some aluminum. Get some good solvent loosen
> frozen fasteners (one or two of mine took a week of daily application of
> solvent to loosen), and good carburetor and parts cleaner.
>
> For me, the most important rebuild item is the exploded parts diagram
> because I follow it to make sure I have each and every part and as I clean
> or replace each part, I take a highlighter and yellow it out on the diagram
> so I don't miss anything. Note that the Stromberg exploded view diagram
> has a couple of mistakes on it though!
>
> Dedicate a place on your workbench for the carb overhaul... there are too
> many small parts to lose and too many small passages in the carb body to
> get crud or dust into. Use a good light, keep everything clean, and
> remember that you're dealing with a mechanically simple but operationally
> intricate piece of hardware that was designed in the 1920s. That's just a
> few years shy of 100!! They are reliable, they work, but they do have
> their nuances. Here's one of many good references on these carbs:
>
> http://thestrombergspecialist.com/index.php/86-news
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451628#451628
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve; just seeing the old flaking shellac as I extracted the oil gallery plugs
on my A65, I sure wouldn't use it inside my carb. I think it was supposed to
be used as a sealant or thread locker, but we have much better things for that
now. For sure I wouldn't get shellac anywhere near the air or fuel passages
of my carb! The idle circuit passages in particular, should not be changed in
any way and lining them with shellac sounds like a good way to reduce the inside
diameter and possibly even obstruct them.
If you can find one carb specialist who recommends the shellac treatment, I'll
listen. Old timers, not so much.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "bradandlinda(at)tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Charvet" <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 10:42:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: carburator overhaul
I did my own 6 years ago. I replaced the float needle with the steel one bought
from Fresno airparts and followed the manual for adjusting the fuel level. Definitely
a no smoking well ventilated sort of project
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 1, 2016, at 10:29 AM, proplock wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone here overhauled a Bendix Stromberg NAS3A1 carb. using the available
manual? Would i get in over my head doing this? Thanks.
>
> --------
> A remarkable lad , capable of many things
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451617#451617
>
>
>
>
>
>
> There is a Stromberg guru in Orland Park Il. (Uni-Tech Air Management Systems,
708 267-7111. uni-tech(at)earthlink.net. He has material nos and specks on the
different carbs. Many carbs are incorrectly mounted on eng/airframe that have
the wrong parts or for different fuel pressure heads. He has a wonderful 5
page brochedure that I'm sure he would send you. Good luck, Brad Williams
>
>
>
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| From: | Jack <pcarillonsr(at)neo.rr.com> |
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:10:57 -0600
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
, kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Just saw a post on the VAF forum that Matt had a stroke yesterday. The
post quoted his facebook page:
/Matt Update: He is responding to comments being made by squeezing
Katie's hand and he was able to answer his age by using his one hand.
All early indicators are that he is doing ok.
Katie sends her thanks for the prayers and that they are definitely helping.
/
Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers, and remember that he won't
be able to deal with list maintenance issues for some time.
I'm trying to send this to the RV, aeroelectric, and kolb lists. If
you're a member of additional lists, it might be good to pass it on.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Shellac is manufactured as flakes. You then mix it with alcohol. Once mixed it
has a very definite shelf life. Unfortunately that is how it's sold by nearly
all mainstream suppliers. You can still get it in flake form, which lasts
much much longer, from very high end and specialty paint and finish suppliers,
even some high end wood working stores.
It's non toxic, used by confectioners. Great for kids toys. It's the medium for
French polishing.
It's alcohol based, and completely non tolerant of alcohol, one reason why gas
with ethanol is a no no in old carbs. It will simply dissolve the shellac.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451635#451635
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| From: | "Jack Textor" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | BPA Newsletter PDF |
Happy New Year Hof! Our address has changed:
2400 SE Walnut Woods Ct
West Des Moines, IA 50265
Am I current on dues?
Thanks
Jack Textor
515-490-5177
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA Newsletter PDF
While waiting for the mailed version of the newsletter, here is a pdf copy
for your use.
Thanks to the people who beta tested the new website. I have a few bugs to
work out and may tap you again before we launch. Working on the next issue
so if you have an Dick Navratil or Billy McCaskill stories, here is your
last chance to get them in.
Best,
-john-
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Guys, Check this out. ADS-B in and out with weather TFRs, app with
antenna. For <$500.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bad-elf/bad-elf-ads-b-affordable-weather-and-traffic-recei?ref=project_tweet
The company has a pretty good rep.
I myself think I will simply use my Anywhere Map on my tablet, and may buy
something like this to go into busy airspace. I can also put my anywhere
map on my cell phone as a backup. That keeps me legal (anywhere map counts
as a current sectional.)
Wish they would get transponders to come down in cost. My extensive
research (At Aircraft Spruce) shows Mode S transponders running from $1500
up to $4000. And you still have to buy a harness.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter PDF |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
The fact that you may not have received an issue any time in the lay 6-9 months
is no indication of your dues status.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451641#451641
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| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve,
I like this option as well. I think it is a better option than the DIY Stratux
adsb in. This bad elf has a GPS with it, and I do not believe the Stratux does.
If you are wanting this for flying in certain airspace you really need the gps.
From what I have read, the refresh rate on the gps inside the iPad, for example,
is insufficient for such flying. YMMV.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451643#451643
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| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter PDF |
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
Thanks Jack,
Have a Happy New Year.
New newsletter issue this week. Nice carburetor article by Bob Kachergius. You
are good for three more issues. I think we are in a bit of a lull for family members
dying and becoming quadriplegics. Lost a niece at Thanksgiving on the side
of the family that is allergic to work. She left two nice little kids my wife
and I are trying to deal with.
We are using your engine builder to to overhaul a C-85 stroker for one of the training
Cubs. That one swallowed a valve. We had a C-90 on it but a local IA was
doing some work and decided to start the engine without the throttle cable
attached. It went to half throttle, rocked forward on the chocks and made a nice
curly cue out of the propeller. Worse was it trashed the crankshaft and the
accessory case. We found a crank for 7K and decided it would be faster and easier
to overhaul the 85.
Say Hi to Susan!
Best,
-john-
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Jack Textor wrote:
>
>
> Happy New Year Hof! Our address has changed:
> 2400 SE Walnut Woods Ct
> West Des Moines, IA 50265
>
> Am I current on dues?
> Thanks
> Jack Textor
> 515-490-5177
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:39 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA Newsletter PDF
>
> While waiting for the mailed version of the newsletter, here is a pdf copy
> for your use.
>
> Thanks to the people who beta tested the new website. I have a few bugs to
> work out and may tap you again before we launch. Working on the next issue
> so if you have an Dick Navratil or Billy McCaskill stories, here is your
> last chance to get them in.
>
> Best,
> -john-
> -----
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douwe(at)douwestudios.com> |
Hey Oscar,
I'm on the road for the next few weeks, but will get a pic upon my return.
d
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
tools wrote:
> Shellac is manufactured as flakes...
> It's alcohol based, and completely non tolerant of alcohol, one reason why gas
with ethanol is a no no in old carbs. It will simply dissolve the shellac.
Old floats might be coated with shellac. I wonder if this played some role in what
happened to my float a couple of years ago:
http://toogahnein.blogspot.com/2013/06/last-time-i-filled-tank-on-piet-i.html
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451664#451664
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jeff; you're may have something there... I have seen that blackened alligatoring
on old outboard motor fuel tank floats. Whatever the case, it seems like you've
solved your problem with the small aluminum bottle (non-TSO'd, non-STC'd,
probably no FAA Form 337, unlikely that it's in AC 43.13-1B "Acceptable Methods",
and not in the Bingelis books, so be careful). The cork float on Scout's
float indicator were dipped in epoxy when Corky made it (and there is some subtle
serendipity there, too). So far no sign of any problems with Corky's cork
float, but then again I don't fly auto gas and never have.
You should probably attempt expanded flotation testing on yours with something
besides pastis though. Ouzo is very good for this, so are mastika, raki, mezcal,
aguardiente, and Sambuca. See if the cork floats before you sink.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451673#451673
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
When I was younger I might have tried all of those contaminants, but now I'm pretty
much limited to beer, wine, and the occasional martini. Hey now, I think
I DO need to test whether olives or lemon twists float better.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451680#451680
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| Subject: | Slightly OT: Video of friend's Pup |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
While the Piet is down, we shifted the action cam over to another low-n-slow plane.
This is a link to a video of a flight my friend took yesterday in his Pup
(I flew it after him; no video of that). He rebuilt this plane while recovering
from his THIRD round of cancer. He says the Pup, his wife, and his docs and
nurses saved him -- he's just not sure in which order on any particular day!
https://youtu.be/23O9_06ku9M
.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451681#451681
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| Subject: | Re: carburator overhaul |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Jeff,
Was it a vintage shellac coated float you epoxy coated? If possible my guess would
be that while epoxy coated, there was a pinhole hole in the coating somewhere.
Alcohol, being more viscous than either fuel or water made it's way in,
and attacked the shellac. Being coated, it deformed the expoxy and bubbled up
underneath, creating more holes and the system went south pretty quick.
It would create quite a gunk, a bimaterial layer of shellac/epoxy being attacked
from underneath.
It's really hard to coat a porous surface like cork. Shellac merely slows the
ingress of fuel to the cork, it's not a impenetrable coating. Neither is epoxy
unless really carefully applied.
If the surface isn't smooth and shiny like a plastic casting, there are holes somewhere.
Also, alcohol has an affinity for water, which is what rusted the coat hangar.
Gas doesn't, they don't mix and the water sits on the bottom of the tank and
corrodes it there. Alcohol dissolved in the fuel, holds the water and presents
it to the coat hangar so to speak.
Dot 4 and older brake fluid, has alcohol and does the same thing inside brake systems.
Dot 5 is silicone based and mnch better.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451684#451684
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly OT: Video of friend's Pup |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Well of course he noticed that he dropped a phone or radio or something as he exited
the aircraft? So what's up with the fuel venting out of the starboard filler
cap in flight? Just a full tank? Couldn't have been the fuel warming up
in the sun.
Wish he would have provided a side shot of the Pup...
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451685#451685
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slightly OT: Video of friend's Pup |
Very nice, thanks!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 3, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:
>
>
> While the Piet is down, we shifted the action cam over to another low-n-slow
plane. This is a link to a video of a flight my friend took yesterday in his Pup
(I flew it after him; no video of that). He rebuilt this plane while recovering
from his THIRD round of cancer. He says the Pup, his wife, and his docs and
nurses saved him -- he's just not sure in which order on any particular day!
>
> https://youtu.be/23O9_06ku9M
>
>
> .
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451681#451681
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly OT: Video of friend's Pup |
| From: | "Jeff Boatright" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
taildrags wrote:
> Well of course he noticed that he dropped a phone or radio or something as he
exited the aircraft? So what's up with the fuel venting out of the starboard
filler cap in flight? Just a full tank? Couldn't have been the fuel warming
up in the sun.
Yep, he came back for it. I don't think that fuel was venting -- we were just
sloppy adding fuel at the beginning of the day. It shows up so well because Ron
needs to wash his plane!
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451689#451689
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| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter PDF |
| From: | Tony Crawford <tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com> |
Hello John,
I was wondering where I stand with news letters? I did get my last one back
in September or so off the Matronics web site. And the one before that from
you. Am I on the list to receive the current and the next one that will
come out in March???? Question?? I did make it to Brodhead this year. I did
buy 2 T-shirts while there. I did not look at them until I got back to
Alabama. They are great shirts but they are not the ones i had seen on the
Brodhead website. I was looking for the T-shirt with the Sky Scout design.
Do you know if they are still available?? Thank You!
Tony
Tony Crawford
On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 12:12 PM, John Hofmann
wrote:
> jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
>
> Thanks Jack,
>
> Have a Happy New Year.
>
> New newsletter issue this week. Nice carburetor article by Bob Kachergius.
> You are good for three more issues. I think we are in a bit of a lull for
> family members dying and becoming quadriplegics. Lost a niece at
> Thanksgiving on the side of the family that is allergic to work. She left
> two nice little kids my wife and I are trying to deal with.
>
> We are using your engine builder to to overhaul a C-85 stroker for one of
> the training Cubs. That one swallowed a valve. We had a C-90 on it but a
> local IA was doing some work and decided to start the engine without the
> throttle cable attached. It went to half throttle, rocked forward on the
> chocks and made a nice curly cue out of the propeller. Worse was it trashed
> the crankshaft and the accessory case. We found a crank for 7K and decided
> it would be faster and easier to overhaul the 85.
>
> Say Hi to Susan!
>
> Best,
> -john-
>
>
> > On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Jack Textor wrote:
> >
> >
> > Happy New Year Hof! Our address has changed:
> > 2400 SE Walnut Woods Ct
> > West Des Moines, IA 50265
> >
> > Am I current on dues?
> > Thanks
> > Jack Textor
> > 515-490-5177
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Hofmann
> > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:39 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA Newsletter PDF
> >
> > While waiting for the mailed version of the newsletter, here is a pdf
> copy
> > for your use.
> >
> > Thanks to the people who beta tested the new website. I have a few bugs
> to
> > work out and may tap you again before we launch. Working on the next
> issue
> > so if you have an Dick Navratil or Billy McCaskill stories, here is your
> > last chance to get them in.
> >
> > Best,
> > -john-
> > -----
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter PDF |
Hi Tony,
Yes you are on the list for a few more newsletters. T-Shirts at Brodhead
are usually either sold by the Pietenpol family or by Pat Weeden. If you
are thinking of the red Sky Scout shirt, Pat told me he only had 18 of
those printed up.
Best,
-john-
> On Jan 3, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Tony Crawford wrote:
>
> Hello John,
> I was wondering where I stand with news letters? I did get my last one
back in September or so off the Matronics web site. And the one before
that from you. Am I on the list to receive the current and the next one
that will come out in March???? Question?? I did make it to Brodhead
this year. I did buy 2 T-shirts while there. I did not look at them
until I got back to Alabama. They are great shirts but they are not the
ones i had seen on the Brodhead website. I was looking for the T-shirt
with the Sky Scout design. Do you know if they are still available??
Thank You!
>
> Tony
>
> Tony Crawford
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 12:12 PM, John Hofmann
> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Jack,
>
> Have a Happy New Year.
>
> New newsletter issue this week. Nice carburetor article by Bob
Kachergius. You are good for three more issues. I think we are in a bit
of a lull for family members dying and becoming quadriplegics. Lost a
niece at Thanksgiving on the side of the family that is allergic to
work. She left two nice little kids my wife and I are trying to deal
with.
>
> We are using your engine builder to to overhaul a C-85 stroker for one
of the training Cubs. That one swallowed a valve. We had a C-90 on it
but a local IA was doing some work and decided to start the engine
without the throttle cable attached. It went to half throttle, rocked
forward on the chocks and made a nice curly cue out of the propeller.
Worse was it trashed the crankshaft and the accessory case. We found a
crank for 7K and decided it would be faster and easier to overhaul the
85.
>
> Say Hi to Susan!
>
> Best,
> -john-
>
>
>
> > On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Jack Textor > wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > Happy New Year Hof! Our address has changed:
> > 2400 SE Walnut Woods Ct
> > West Des Moines, IA 50265
> >
> > Am I current on dues?
> > Thanks
> > Jack Textor
> > 515-490-5177
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of John
Hofmann
> > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:39 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA Newsletter PDF
> >
> > While waiting for the mailed version of the newsletter, here is a
pdf copy
> > for your use.
> >
> > Thanks to the people who beta tested the new website. I have a few
bugs to
> > work out and may tap you again before we launch. Working on the next
issue
> > so if you have an Dick Navratil or Billy McCaskill stories, here is
your
> > last chance to get them in.
> >
> > Best,
> > -john-
> > -----
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> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Slightly OT: Video of friend's Pup |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jeff: thanks. I was just watching the video and as the flight progresses, fuel
streaks back farther and farther aft from the cap as if it was streaming out.
I'd like to know more about what he powers it with. A 1/2VW? When he pulls it
through to start the engine, it seems to have pretty good compression. He seems
to fly the approach "down the slot" at about the same rate as your Piet, if
not maybe just a bit faster! Must be that enclosed cockpit, eh? ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jeffboatright(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Slightly OT: Video of friend's Pup |
Yep, 1/2VW
Great compression on one cylinder, ok on other.
He carries about 1500 rpm and about 55-60 mph all the way to flare. Similar speed
to Piet with closed throttle. It is a little slower in rool than the Piet.
Definitely a leaf in the wind feeling.
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Sent from an iPad with a spelling problem
> On Jan 4, 2016, at 12:33 AM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
>
> Jeff: thanks. I was just watching the video and as the flight progresses, fuel
streaks back farther and farther aft from the cap as if it was streaming out.
>
> I'd like to know more about what he powers it with. A 1/2VW? When he pulls
it through to start the engine, it seems to have pretty good compression. He
seems to fly the approach "down the slot" at about the same rate as your Piet,
if not maybe just a bit faster! Must be that enclosed cockpit, eh? ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451699#451699
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter PDF |
| From: | Tony Crawford <tonyp51qa(at)gmail.com> |
Thank You!
Tony
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 9:22 PM, John Hofmann
wrote:
> Hi Tony,
>
> Yes you are on the list for a few more newsletters. T-Shirts at Brodhead
> are usually either sold by the Pietenpol family or by Pat Weeden. If you
> are thinking of the red Sky Scout shirt, Pat told me he only had 18 of
> those printed up.
>
> Best,
> -john-
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Tony Crawford wrote:
>
> Hello John,
> I was wondering where I stand with news letters? I did get my last one
> back in September or so off the Matronics web site. And the one before that
> from you. Am I on the list to receive the current and the next one that
> will come out in March???? Question?? I did make it to Brodhead this year.
> I did buy 2 T-shirts while there. I did not look at them until I got back
> to Alabama. They are great shirts but they are not the ones i had seen on
> the Brodhead website. I was looking for the T-shirt with the Sky Scout
> design. Do you know if they are still available?? Thank You!
>
> Tony
>
> Tony Crawford
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 12:12 PM, John Hofmann
> wrote:
>
>> jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
>>
>> Thanks Jack,
>>
>> Have a Happy New Year.
>>
>> New newsletter issue this week. Nice carburetor article by Bob
>> Kachergius. You are good for three more issues. I think we are in a bit of
>> a lull for family members dying and becoming quadriplegics. Lost a niece at
>> Thanksgiving on the side of the family that is allergic to work. She left
>> two nice little kids my wife and I are trying to deal with.
>>
>> We are using your engine builder to to overhaul a C-85 stroker for one of
>> the training Cubs. That one swallowed a valve. We had a C-90 on it but a
>> local IA was doing some work and decided to start the engine without the
>> throttle cable attached. It went to half throttle, rocked forward on the
>> chocks and made a nice curly cue out of the propeller. Worse was it trashed
>> the crankshaft and the accessory case. We found a crank for 7K and decided
>> it would be faster and easier to overhaul the 85.
>>
>> Say Hi to Susan!
>>
>> Best,
>> -john-
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Jack Textor wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Happy New Year Hof! Our address has changed:
>> > 2400 SE Walnut Woods Ct
>> > West Des Moines, IA 50265
>> >
>> > Am I current on dues?
>> > Thanks
>> > Jack Textor
>> > 515-490-5177
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
>> Hofmann
>> > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:39 PM
>> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA Newsletter PDF
>> >
>> > While waiting for the mailed version of the newsletter, here is a pdf
>> copy
>> > for your use.
>> >
>> > Thanks to the people who beta tested the new website. I have a few bugs
>> to
>> > work out and may tap you again before we launch. Working on the next
>> issue
>> > so if you have an Dick Navratil or Billy McCaskill stories, here is your
>> > last chance to get them in.
>> >
>> > Best,
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Leather Helmet For Sale |
I=99m selling this for a person that wanted to build a Piet, but
cannot.
Brand New =93 Never Worn =93 Top Quality
Perrone Leather Helmet listed for $75 in catalog. He will take $60
Picture Attached
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Leather Helmet For Sale |
| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
I'll take it. My size
On Jan 5, 2016 12:41 PM, "Barry Davis" wrote:
> I=99m selling this for a person that wanted to build a Piet, but ca
nnot.
>
>
> Brand New =93 Never Worn =93 Top Quality
>
> Perrone Leather Helmet listed for $75 in catalog. He will take $60
>
>
> Picture Attached
>
>
> Barry Davis
>
> NX973BP
>
>
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol Leather Helmet For Sale |
SOLD, but he thinks he bought another one. I=99ll post in a couple
of days if he finds it.
Thanks
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Davis
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 12:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Leather Helmet For Sale
I=99m selling this for a person that wanted to build a Piet, but
cannot.
Brand New =93 Never Worn =93 Top Quality
Perrone Leather Helmet listed for $75 in catalog. He will take $60
Picture Attached
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: AeroElectric-List: Fwd: Fwd: Matt Dralle (list |
admin)
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Wow..... Sending thoughts and well wished to Matt.
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Welding to wind up 2015... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Hello good Piet-ple,
Hope you all had a good holiday break....!!
Had a chance for Mike from "Ready Weld" to stop over and finish up the welding
on my fuel tank. I next have to install the sumps and pressure test the tank -
then I can move on to more work on the center-section. I never thought the tank
would take so long, but I have sure learned a lot....!!
Details: Tank is .063 5052 Aluminum, weighs 21 pounds without the sumps, should
hold about 20 gallons to allow for about 2 1/2 hours + 30 min reserve. (see
older posts for the internal structure and more details)
Gotta love the rainy weather (aka "airplane building season")
Jake
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Welding fuel tank to wind up 2015... |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
The tank looks great. Too bad you have to cover it up.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | Ray Krause <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Welding to wind up 2015... |
Jake,
Sure is beautiful. Wish I could have seen your build the last time we were in Seattle,
but the Duck crash put that out of the question. Hope to get a visit in
the next time I'm there. Keep up the beautiful work, it is inspirational.
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 6, 2016, at 8:42 AM, aerocarjake wrote:
>
>
> Hello good Piet-ple,
>
> Hope you all had a good holiday break....!!
>
> Had a chance for Mike from "Ready Weld" to stop over and finish up the welding
on my fuel tank. I next have to install the sumps and pressure test the tank
- then I can move on to more work on the center-section. I never thought the
tank would take so long, but I have sure learned a lot....!!
>
> Details: Tank is .063 5052 Aluminum, weighs 21 pounds without the sumps, should
hold about 20 gallons to allow for about 2 1/2 hours + 30 min reserve. (see
older posts for the internal structure and more details)
>
> Gotta love the rainy weather (aka "airplane building season")
>
> Jake
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=451786#451786
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Leather Helmet For Sale |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
..sold..
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KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
Slick 4330's
AN Hardware
Airframe 755TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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| From: | "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com> |
jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> Steve,
>
> bad elf has a GPS with it, and I do not believe the Stratux does.
>
>
Terry, Stratux definitely support GPS - I got my GPS for Stratux for $14.00
Still no OUT, but you cant beat getting IN for around $120. Since I was never
going to put in a Xponder, ADS-B IN is all I will ever want or need for my Pietenpol.
Gee no flying in A B or C airspace...bummer.
--------
Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| From: | "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com> |
Reaching out to 'Tools' - Are you having toolstock this year? if so what are the
dates?
Bob
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock '16 |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Sorry man, not this year!
Our hostess just had an operation and is recovering. House is nearly done with
major renovations. I wasn't able to get a single weekend off the entire month.
And with trying to get two airplanes airworthy here in wisconsin I haven't
been able to get down there to clean, restock and have thing ready.
Stage is set for next year though! I'll probably make it every two years anyway.
Might start hosting something up here in wi on the off years.
Not Piet related, but the list hasn't had any pics in a while, so... Two more
coats of varnish, install control cables and the fuse is ready to cover.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock '16 |
| From: | "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com> |
Dagnabbit Mike!
Your punishing me for not making it last year....
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Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock '16 |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Not true! More than welcome to come up here some weekend. No saw mill, but have
about everything else, including planes I can actually give rides in!
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock '16 |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Tools,
The Chief? Nice work, whichever project it is>
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Toolstock '16 |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks.
Yep. That's the chief. Making progress on the duster too. Fuse longeron repaired.
Landing gear mounts go on next. Rebuild the gear leg and more or less
start putting her back together.
Tools
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| From: | "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com> |
This thread is a bit off topic, but I wanted to pass along my experience with getting
the Stratux ADS-B traffic to display within Avare on my Android tablet
(finally had a reason to buy one!)
Avare requires an add-on app for ADS-B. I needed to configure the add on app to
use WIFI (not Bluetooth) and to use port 4000 (not the default of something
like 4221).
>From inside my house I was getting traffic alerts (so far only commercial airliners)
showing up about 30 NM away. Pretty cool and fun to watch.
also, my digital receiver antenna(s) are fully retracted.
--------
Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| From: | woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
Down where we fly, I'd be more concerned about drone traffic. I'm guessing that
will not show up.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
-----Original Message-----
From: bdewenter <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 20, 2016 9:49 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ADS-B
This thread is a bit off topic, but I wanted to pass along my experience with getting
the Stratux ADS-B traffic to display within Avare on my Android tablet
(finally had a reason to buy one!)
Avare requires an add-on app for ADS-B. I needed to configure the add on app to
use WIFI (not Bluetooth) and to use port 4000 (not the default of something
like 4221).
>From inside my house I was getting traffic alerts (so far only commercial airliners)
showing up about 30 NM away. Pretty cool and fun to watch.
also, my digital receiver antenna(s) are fully retracted.
--------
Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks! Had to get Avare, as Garmin Pilot has proprietary interface. I have
the WiFi add on, but still no joy. Will try port change.
On Jan 20, 2016 9:52 AM, "bdewenter" wrote:
>
> This thread is a bit off topic, but I wanted to pass along my experience
> with getting the Stratux ADS-B traffic to display within Avare on my
> Android tablet (finally had a reason to buy one!)
>
> Avare requires an add-on app for ADS-B. I needed to configure the add on
> app to use WIFI (not Bluetooth) and to use port 4000 (not the default of
> something like 4221).
>
> >From inside my house I was getting traffic alerts (so far only commercial
> airliners) showing up about 30 NM away. Pretty cool and fun to watch.
> also, my digital receiver antenna(s) are fully retracted.
>
> --------
> Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
> Dayton OH
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452129#452129
>
>
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| From: | Richard Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Marcus,
With Avare you actually need two apps. The Avare mapping program and the
Avare I/O add-on connection app. Start up the I/O app, select WiFi
connection then enter 4000 for the port. Next click on listen. If all is
right with the world you should immediately see your are connected then
a stream of date being displayed. Once you have this, then launch Avare.
One more thing to be aware of with Stratux is if you have multiple
navigation programs on your device, make sure you completely close down
the app before switching to another app. This is especially true with
the I/O app Avare uses. The reason for this is once your are connected
and listening to Stratux on port 4000, that port is locked with a
handshake to the Stratux. That handshake needs to be shut down before
you can re-link with another app on the same port.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
On 1/20/2016 11:14 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote:
>
> Thanks! Had to get Avare, as Garmin Pilot has proprietary interface. I
> have the WiFi add on, but still no joy. Will try port change.
>
> On Jan 20, 2016 9:52 AM, "bdewenter" > wrote:
>
> >
>
> This thread is a bit off topic, but I wanted to pass along my
> experience with getting the Stratux ADS-B traffic to display
> within Avare on my Android tablet (finally had a reason to buy one!)
>
> Avare requires an add-on app for ADS-B. I needed to configure the
> add on app to use WIFI (not Bluetooth) and to use port 4000 (not
> the default of something like 4221).
>
> >From inside my house I was getting traffic alerts (so far only
> commercial airliners) showing up about 30 NM away. Pretty cool and
> fun to watch.
> also, my digital receiver antenna(s) are fully retracted.
>
> --------
> Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
> Dayton OH
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452129#452129
>
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| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks! While I don't use in the Piet, the Piet did spend a night in
Valparaiso hangar last summer on way to Brodhead!
On Jan 20, 2016 12:58 PM, "Richard Schreiber" wrote:
> Marcus,
> With Avare you actually need two apps. The Avare mapping program and the
> Avare I/O add-on connection app. Start up the I/O app, select WiFi
> connection then enter 4000 for the port. Next click on listen. If all is
> right with the world you should immediately see your are connected then a
> stream of date being displayed. Once you have this, then launch Avare. One
> more thing to be aware of with Stratux is if you have multiple navigation
> programs on your device, make sure you completely close down the app before
> switching to another app. This is especially true with the I/O app Avare
> uses. The reason for this is once your are connected and listening to
> Stratux on port 4000, that port is locked with a handshake to the Stratux.
> That handshake needs to be shut down before you can re-link with another
> app on the same port.
>
> Regards,
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso, IN
>
> On 1/20/2016 11:14 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote:
>
> Thanks! Had to get Avare, as Garmin Pilot has proprietary interface. I
> have the WiFi add on, but still no joy. Will try port change.
> On Jan 20, 2016 9:52 AM, "bdewenter" wrote:
>
>>
>> This thread is a bit off topic, but I wanted to pass along my experience
>> with getting the Stratux ADS-B traffic to display within Avare on my
>> Android tablet (finally had a reason to buy one!)
>>
>> Avare requires an add-on app for ADS-B. I needed to configure the add on
>> app to use WIFI (not Bluetooth) and to use port 4000 (not the default of
>> something like 4221).
>>
>> >From inside my house I was getting traffic alerts (so far only
>> commercial airliners) showing up about 30 NM away. Pretty cool and fun to
>> watch.
>> also, my digital receiver antenna(s) are fully retracted.
>>
>> --------
>> Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
>> Dayton OH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452129#452129
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | Richard Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
I was aware you were at VPZ, but forgot. The staff here made sure I knew
that they had talked to you.
Rick
On 1/20/2016 12:01 PM, Marcus Zechini wrote:
>
> Thanks! While I don't use in the Piet, the Piet did spend a night in
> Valparaiso hangar last summer on way to Brodhead!
>
> On Jan 20, 2016 12:58 PM, "Richard Schreiber" > wrote:
>
> Marcus,
> With Avare you actually need two apps. The Avare mapping program
> and the Avare I/O add-on connection app. Start up the I/O app,
> select WiFi connection then enter 4000 for the port. Next click on
> listen. If all is right with the world you should immediately see
> your are connected then a stream of date being displayed. Once you
> have this, then launch Avare. One more thing to be aware of with
> Stratux is if you have multiple navigation programs on your
> device, make sure you completely close down the app before
> switching to another app. This is especially true with the I/O app
> Avare uses. The reason for this is once your are connected and
> listening to Stratux on port 4000, that port is locked with a
> handshake to the Stratux. That handshake needs to be shut down
> before you can re-link with another app on the same port.
>
> Regards,
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso, IN
>
> On 1/20/2016 11:14 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote:
>>
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