Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-po
January 18, 2017 - February 28, 2017
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Oscar, I just drew a diagram and did a bit of trig. The angle yopu would
have to twist the vertical brackets would be 1.4 degrees. Chuck
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:58 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> So let's think about this. We're above Rick's airplane looking down on it
> as he's flying. The nose wants to pull to the right, so Rick is applying
> left rudder to keep the airplane going straight. As he presses left
> rudder, the cable on that side pulls the port side rudder horn and the
> rudder deflects to port, which causes the tail to swing to starboard and
> bring the nose straight. Looking down on the airplane, it rotates
> counter-clockwise to bring the nose straight.
>
> So what do we have to do to the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer to
> get that same counter-clockwise rotation? We offset it to starboard so
> that more of the port side is presented to the relative wind, 'pressing'
> the tail to starboard. The LE of the vertical stabilizer on my airplane,
> which has a Continental engine that rotates in the opposite direction from
> the Corvair, is offset 1/2" to the port side but still needs a small rudder
> trim tab. I think 3/4" offset would have been better, but I worried about
> twisting the vertical stabilizer beam too much by doing that.
>
> There is a picture of the offset on my LE here:
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1848_571.jpg
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465177#465177
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Oscar,
Excellent explanation. Very clear, logical, and concise. Nicely done.
Chuck,
Again, how old are you? I am 59 and I have forgotten how to spell Trig, much less
do it. You are my hero, and I want to be like you when I grow up. But being
a professional air line pilot, I may never accomplish that (grow up, that is.)
[Wink] [Laughing]
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465187#465187
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Semih Oksay <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
I am 69 and calculated 5/8" port offset for my C90 engine. Have to finish
the airplane to see how it works out.
Semih
Ps. I still remember a lot of trig and other things.=8B
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> 1. 04:15 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Charles N. Campbel
l)
> 2. 04:31 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Charles N. Campbel
l)
> 3. 07:48 AM - Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (jarheadpilot82)
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> _____________________________________
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> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair
>
> Oscar, why not make you some new L-shaped brackets to go on the top rear
of
> the vertical stabilizer and twist them the correct number of degrees. Th
at
> way the vertical piece in the stabilizer would not be twisted at all.
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:58 PM, taildrags wrote
:
>
> >
> > So let's think about this. We're above Rick's airplane looking down on
> it
> > as he's flying. The nose wants to pull to the right, so Rick is applyi
ng
> > left rudder to keep the airplane going straight. As he presses left
> > rudder, the cable on that side pulls the port side rudder horn and the
> > rudder deflects to port, which causes the tail to swing to starboard an
d
> > bring the nose straight. Looking down on the airplane, it rotates
> > counter-clockwise to bring the nose straight.
> >
> > So what do we have to do to the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer
> to
> > get that same counter-clockwise rotation? We offset it to starboard so
> > that more of the port side is presented to the relative wind, 'pressing
'
> > the tail to starboard. The LE of the vertical stabilizer on my airplan
e,
> > which has a Continental engine that rotates in the opposite direction
> from
> > the Corvair, is offset 1/2" to the port side but still needs a small
> rudder
> > trim tab. I think 3/4" offset would have been better, but I worried
> about
> > twisting the vertical stabilizer beam too much by doing that.
> >
> > There is a picture of the offset on my LE here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1848_571.jpg
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465177#465177
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair
>
> Oscar, I just drew a diagram and did a bit of trig. The angle yopu would
> have to twist the vertical brackets would be 1.4 degrees. Chuck
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:58 PM, taildrags wrote
:
>
> >
> > So let's think about this. We're above Rick's airplane looking down on
> it
> > as he's flying. The nose wants to pull to the right, so Rick is applyi
ng
> > left rudder to keep the airplane going straight. As he presses left
> > rudder, the cable on that side pulls the port side rudder horn and the
> > rudder deflects to port, which causes the tail to swing to starboard an
d
> > bring the nose straight. Looking down on the airplane, it rotates
> > counter-clockwise to bring the nose straight.
> >
> > So what do we have to do to the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer
> to
> > get that same counter-clockwise rotation? We offset it to starboard so
> > that more of the port side is presented to the relative wind, 'pressing
'
> > the tail to starboard. The LE of the vertical stabilizer on my airplan
e,
> > which has a Continental engine that rotates in the opposite direction
> from
> > the Corvair, is offset 1/2" to the port side but still needs a small
> rudder
> > trim tab. I think 3/4" offset would have been better, but I worried
> about
> > twisting the vertical stabilizer beam too much by doing that.
> >
> > There is a picture of the offset on my LE here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1848_571.jpg
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465177#465177
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair
> From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> Oscar,
>
> Excellent explanation. Very clear, logical, and concise. Nicely done.
>
> Chuck,
>
> Again, how old are you? I am 59 and I have forgotten how to spell Trig,
> much less
> do it. You are my hero, and I want to be like you when I grow up. But bei
ng
> a professional air line pilot, I may never accomplish that (grow up, that
> is.)
> [Wink] [Laughing]
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465187#465187
>
>
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>
>
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Semih Oksay
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| From: | Semih Oksay <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
I am 69 and calculated 5/8" port offset for my C90 engine. Have to finish
the airplane to see how it works out.
Semih
Ps. I still remember a lot of trig and other things.=8B
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> ----------------------
>
> 1. 04:15 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Charles N. Campbel
l)
> 2. 04:31 AM - Re: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (Charles N. Campbel
l)
> 3. 07:48 AM - Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair (jarheadpilot82)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair
>
> Oscar, why not make you some new L-shaped brackets to go on the top rear
of
> the vertical stabilizer and twist them the correct number of degrees. Th
at
> way the vertical piece in the stabilizer would not be twisted at all.
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:58 PM, taildrags wrote
:
>
> >
> > So let's think about this. We're above Rick's airplane looking down on
> it
> > as he's flying. The nose wants to pull to the right, so Rick is applyi
ng
> > left rudder to keep the airplane going straight. As he presses left
> > rudder, the cable on that side pulls the port side rudder horn and the
> > rudder deflects to port, which causes the tail to swing to starboard an
d
> > bring the nose straight. Looking down on the airplane, it rotates
> > counter-clockwise to bring the nose straight.
> >
> > So what do we have to do to the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer
> to
> > get that same counter-clockwise rotation? We offset it to starboard so
> > that more of the port side is presented to the relative wind, 'pressing
'
> > the tail to starboard. The LE of the vertical stabilizer on my airplan
e,
> > which has a Continental engine that rotates in the opposite direction
> from
> > the Corvair, is offset 1/2" to the port side but still needs a small
> rudder
> > trim tab. I think 3/4" offset would have been better, but I worried
> about
> > twisting the vertical stabilizer beam too much by doing that.
> >
> > There is a picture of the offset on my LE here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1848_571.jpg
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465177#465177
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair
>
> Oscar, I just drew a diagram and did a bit of trig. The angle yopu would
> have to twist the vertical brackets would be 1.4 degrees. Chuck
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:58 PM, taildrags wrote
:
>
> >
> > So let's think about this. We're above Rick's airplane looking down on
> it
> > as he's flying. The nose wants to pull to the right, so Rick is applyi
ng
> > left rudder to keep the airplane going straight. As he presses left
> > rudder, the cable on that side pulls the port side rudder horn and the
> > rudder deflects to port, which causes the tail to swing to starboard an
d
> > bring the nose straight. Looking down on the airplane, it rotates
> > counter-clockwise to bring the nose straight.
> >
> > So what do we have to do to the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer
> to
> > get that same counter-clockwise rotation? We offset it to starboard so
> > that more of the port side is presented to the relative wind, 'pressing
'
> > the tail to starboard. The LE of the vertical stabilizer on my airplan
e,
> > which has a Continental engine that rotates in the opposite direction
> from
> > the Corvair, is offset 1/2" to the port side but still needs a small
> rudder
> > trim tab. I think 3/4" offset would have been better, but I worried
> about
> > twisting the vertical stabilizer beam too much by doing that.
> >
> > There is a picture of the offset on my LE here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1848_571.jpg
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465177#465177
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair
> From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> Oscar,
>
> Excellent explanation. Very clear, logical, and concise. Nicely done.
>
> Chuck,
>
> Again, how old are you? I am 59 and I have forgotten how to spell Trig,
> much less
> do it. You are my hero, and I want to be like you when I grow up. But bei
ng
> a professional air line pilot, I may never accomplish that (grow up, that
> is.)
> [Wink] [Laughing]
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465187#465187
>
>
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>
>
--
Semih Oksay
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Terry, if the Lord lets me live another month (Feb. 18), I'll be 93. I'm
six months older than George Bush senior. George has the honor of being
the youngest person to have finished Navy flight school. Before he came
along, I had that honor. I finished Flight school in Corpus Cristi, Tex on
September 8, 1943, at the ripe old age of 19.
My Piet is almost finished. As soon as I figure how to run the throttle
and mixture control lines and do it, I'll cover the fuselage, paint it,
install the metal fire wall, and put it all together. The wing panels and
tail surfaces (the tail surfaces and ailerons still need paint) are ready
to be bolted on. I'll send some pictures if anyone is interested.
Chuck
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:48 AM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Oscar,
>
> Excellent explanation. Very clear, logical, and concise. Nicely done.
>
> Chuck,
>
> Again, how old are you? I am 59 and I have forgotten how to spell Trig,
> much less do it. You are my hero, and I want to be like you when I grow up.
> But being a professional air line pilot, I may never accomplish that (grow
> up, that is.) [Wink] [Laughing]
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465187#465187
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Please post some pictures Charles
Scott K
On Jan 19, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Charles N. Campbell > wrote:
Terry, if the Lord lets me live another month (Feb. 18), I'll be 93. I'm s
ix months older than George Bush senior. George has the honor of being the
youngest person to have finished Navy flight school. Before he came along
, I had that honor. I finished Flight school in Corpus Cristi, Tex on Sept
ember 8, 1943, at the ripe old age of 19.
My Piet is almost finished. As soon as I figure how to run the throttle an
d mixture control lines and do it, I'll cover the fuselage, paint it, insta
ll the metal fire wall, and put it all together. The wing panels and tail
surfaces (the tail surfaces and ailerons still need paint) are ready to be
bolted on. I'll send some pictures if anyone is interested.
Chuck
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:48 AM, jarheadpilot82 > wrote:
ail.com>
Oscar,
Excellent explanation. Very clear, logical, and concise. Nicely done.
Chuck,
Again, how old are you? I am 59 and I have forgotten how to spell Trig, muc
h less do it. You are my hero, and I want to be like you when I grow up. Bu
t being a professional air line pilot, I may never accomplish that (grow up
, that is.) [Wink] [Laughing]
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Chuck, where are you? I am in San Antonio and will be unable to work on
anything due to a wing surgery (mine not a planes) I might want to come
take a look.
Yes send pics and include one of the young cadet. I'll bet you were young
and pretty.
Don't give up on the airline pilot dream. There is a huge pilot shortage
and perhaps you can get a waiver! (LOL)
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:02 AM, Scott Knowlton
wrote:
> Please post some pictures Charles
>
> Scott K
>
> On Jan 19, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Charles N. Campbell <
> charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Terry, if the Lord lets me live another month (Feb. 18), I'll be 93. I'm
> six months older than George Bush senior. George has the honor of being
> the youngest person to have finished Navy flight school. Before he came
> along, I had that honor. I finished Flight school in Corpus Cristi, Tex on
> September 8, 1943, at the ripe old age of 19.
>
> My Piet is almost finished. As soon as I figure how to run the throttle
> and mixture control lines and do it, I'll cover the fuselage, paint it,
> install the metal fire wall, and put it all together. The wing panels and
> tail surfaces (the tail surfaces and ailerons still need paint) are ready
> to be bolted on. I'll send some pictures if anyone is interested.
>
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:48 AM, jarheadpilot82 <
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>>
>> Oscar,
>>
>> Excellent explanation. Very clear, logical, and concise. Nicely done.
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Again, how old are you? I am 59 and I have forgotten how to spell Trig,
>> much less do it. You are my hero, and I want to be like you when I grow up.
>> But being a professional air line pilot, I may never accomplish that (grow
>> up, that is.) [Wink] [Laughing]
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry Hand
>> Athens, GA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465187#465187
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Steve D
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
OT I am going to need a riding mower for my new airport home. I will have 2
acres, mostly flat with some trees. One ditch fairly shallow.
I can't afford to spend a lot of cash. I am interested in the Sears
Craftsman riding mowers that have a tight turn radius (5.5 inches)
Any thoughts?
Only Pietenpol content is this mower will also mow the taxiway.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | "JERRY" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET> |
| Subject: | Long fuselage and Model A |
I am rebuilding a long fuse Piet and want to us a Model A or B. I couldn't
find much on it in the archives. It looks like most of the stretch on the
fuse in in the front. Has anyone done this?
Thanks for any help.
Jerry Grogan
Sky Classic Aircraft
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: OT Riding mower |
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| From: | "bradandlinda(at)tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: OT Riding mower |
A John Deere zero radius turn is a better machine. Fast (9.5 mph) and looks
like a rug when done. My 54" cuts in about 1/3 less time than my old 60" Y
azoo.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Boatright" <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 3:07:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT Riding mower
Hi Steve,
I picked up an old Snapper from Craig=99s list for $50. I enjoyed reb
uilding the carb and refurbing other items and now we use it to mow taxiway
s and to pull a garden wagon that sometimes carries a portable generator an
d sometimes carries beer. I don=99t advocate it for 2 acres, but I do
advocate checking out Craigslist for fun projects that fit the bill.
As to Sears Craftsman, I=99ve used an older one. Did really well for
a plot the size you=99re talking. If you=99re just going to mow
with it, almost anything above 8 hp will be good enough, IMO. Mine was 17
hp and was way more than needed (but cheap at $200 used!).
Here=99s me imitating Forrest Gump: https://youtu.be/X8df583kSjw
HTH,
Jeff
--
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Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Core Director & Research Biologist
Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Steven Dortc
h
Date: Friday, January 20, 2017 at 3:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT Riding mower
OT I am going to need a riding mower for my new airport home. I will have 2
acres, mostly flat with some trees. One ditch fairly shallow.
I can't afford to spend a lot of cash. I am interested in the Sears Craftsm
an riding mowers that have a tight turn radius (5.5 inches)
Any thoughts?
Only Pietenpol content is this mower will also mow the taxiway.
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: OT Riding mower |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I like my early 40's Allis Chalmers B with a finish mower. Used it for twelve
years and literally did nothing but add oil, gas and sharpen the blades a couple
times.
You can get them from about $250 to a grand.
New machines are hinky when it comes to the carbs, sitting, and auto gas, especially
with ethanol.
Just another perspective!
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Semih; I'm going to be 66 in a few months so I'm not far behind you, and my prediction
is that your 5/8" vertical stabilizer offset will be pretty good, but
not perfect.
And I not only remember trig, I actually use it and enjoy it in my engineering
work There is a link between science, mathematics, and philosophy that trigonometry
captures. Those who know and understand the mathematical constant pi know
what I mean. The perfection of a circle is described mathematically (and
trigonometrically) by pi- and yet pi is an irrational number that cannot be quantified
as a fraction, its decimal digits never repeat into infinity, it is not
the root of any non-zero polynomial, and as such it is a transcendental number-
but even the beginning student can grasp how it perfectly, exactly, describes
the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. By the use of this
relationship we understand everything from astrophysics to geolocation to how
to divide a pizza into equal parts even if there are an odd number of people
to be served ;o)
Good for you, Oldbird!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jerry; to answer your question, I have not done this so, my comments are general
only. My airplane has a Continental A75 up front.
The original Air Camper had the water-cooled Ford "A" engine up front and had the
shortest length fuselage of the common variants. Many have noted that more
modern Air Campers have tended to be tail-heavy, and no doubt some of that is
due to extending the fuselage aft of the firewall by stretching the cockpits
or extending the empennage. You say you are rebuilding a long-fuse Piet, so are
you actually reworking the fuselage or are you just thinking about the motor
mounts and things that are ahead of the firewall? I think your starting point
should be to research what the weight of the conventional Ford "A" engine conversion
is, including radiator and coolant system, and use that as your basis
for comparison. It sounds like you may want to keep your firewall-forward package
at least as heavy as the original, and think about where it's going to
mount.
The standard Air Camper has cabane struts that pivot at both ends, which allows
the wing to be shifted aft to correct (or adjust) an aft CG, but only within
limits.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Chuck: the reason I didn't want to mess with moving or fabricating new rear L-brackets
for the aft edge of the vertical stabilizer was "laziness" ;o) Yes, I
could do that and accommodate another 1.4 degrees of twist without worrying about
the wood spar. I know you think that slight angle of rotation sounds insignificant,
but when you push the leading edge of the VS over and watch the rear
spar stay fixed as everything else tightens up, you start thinking about the
glue joints and everything else, and I didn't like the feeling as I pushed it
over past the 1/2" that I gave it.
By the way, the builder of my Piet, Corky Corbett, will also be 93 this year (I
believe)- but he completed and flew NX41CC as a much younger man than you...
he was only 80 ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: OT Riding mower |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve: since we're off-topic here, I can guarantee you that you will be almost
as proud of a refurbished yard machine as you will of an airplane. I have rescued
"this thing's broken and no good anymore" lawn equipment, appliances, electronics,
engines, and all sorts of other things and have greatly enjoyed dismantling
them, cleaning, repairing, refurbishing, and getting them operational
again. A co-worker had a relatively new lawn mower that wouldn't start. Hmmm...
crankcase was full of a gas-oil mixture. Now, how did that happen? At first
I blamed him, thinking that he poured the gasoline right into the oil filler,
but that wasn't it. I figured it out ;o) He was ready to take the machine
to the dump, now it starts and runs like a top and I'm very pleased at the overall
appearance and operation after a weekend of tinkering, cleaning, and getting
it fixed again. Sure, it's a $150 machine brand-new and I spent probably
four times that amount of my time on it, but it was enjoyable and rewarding.
I'm with the others who made similar recommendations... find yourself a restorable
mower and have some fun getting it running again.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Con job on Craigslist OT |
Wow, I was just nibbling at the edge of a con. There was a Craigslist offer
of a small 2008 John Deere tractor for $2000. A small tractor bigger than
the garden tractors.
Looked great, when I asked what accessories come with it. I got an answer
that said everything in the photos. Mower deck, front end loader, Snow
plow, and forklift. But the individual was in pre deployment training at
Offutt AFB and could not meet anyone before deploying. I should email my
name, phone number and whole address so they could tell eBay I was the
buyer. Then they would be put it in the eBay money back guarantee program.
It would be shipped by the Military Logistic Department, free no less. I
could not check it out since this department already had it in storage.
The hair on my back stood up.(I am bald). First in the military, it is
always logistics, never Logistic. I have deployed multiple times and
supported units deploying. I have never heard of the military shipping a
vehicle to a third party. Much less free.
So I checked out eBay policy and they don't guarantee vehicles. A Google
search of military logistic department brought up a list of scams using
this term. Usually they are selling a car or truck.
Y'all be careful out there.
BTW there are some good deals out there on Craigslist that I can see before
I buy!
Blue skies,
Steve D
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: OT Riding mower |
Ah Oscar, too many projects. Moving into a new home and hangar. Beech
annual that is owner hindered. Selling a travel trailer.finishing a
pietenpol restoration. Renting the old hangar
Preparing the new hangar to hold our old airstream and the v-tail and the
piet. Oh yeah teaching the teen to drive. And in my free time I am working
on my commercial and CFI ratings.
I think I just need a good RUNNING mower.
Blue skies,
Steve D
On Jan 21, 2017 10:02 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Steve: since we're off-topic here, I can guarantee you that you will be
> almost as proud of a refurbished yard machine as you will of an airplane.
> I have rescued "this thing's broken and no good anymore" lawn equipment,
> appliances, electronics, engines, and all sorts of other things and have
> greatly enjoyed dismantling them, cleaning, repairing, refurbishing, and
> getting them operational again. A co-worker had a relatively new lawn
> mower that wouldn't start. Hmmm... crankcase was full of a gas-oil
> mixture. Now, how did that happen? At first I blamed him, thinking that
> he poured the gasoline right into the oil filler, but that wasn't it. I
> figured it out ;o) He was ready to take the machine to the dump, now it
> starts and runs like a top and I'm very pleased at the overall appearance
> and operation after a weekend of tinkering, cleaning, and getting it fixed
> again. Sure, it's a $150 machine brand-new and I spent probably four times
> that amount of my time on it, but it wa!
> s enjoyable and rewarding.
>
> I'm with the others who made similar recommendations... find yourself a
> restorable mower and have some fun getting it running again.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465323#465323
>
>
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
Oscar, do you know what engineers use for birth control?
On Jan 21, 2017 9:39 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Semih; I'm going to be 66 in a few months so I'm not far behind you, and
> my prediction is that your 5/8" vertical stabilizer offset will be pretty
> good, but not perfect.
>
> And I not only remember trig, I actually use it and enjoy it in my
> engineering work There is a link between science, mathematics, and
> philosophy that trigonometry captures. Those who know and understand the
> mathematical constant pi know what I mean. The perfection of a circle is
> described mathematically (and trigonometrically) by pi- and yet pi is an
> irrational number that cannot be quantified as a fraction, its decimal
> digits never repeat into infinity, it is not the root of any non-zero
> polynomial, and as such it is a transcendental number- but even the
> beginning student can grasp how it perfectly, exactly, describes the ratio
> of a circle's circumference to its diameter. By the use of this
> relationship we understand everything from astrophysics to geolocation to
> how to divide a pizza into equal parts even if there are an odd number of
> people to be served ;o)
>
> Good for you, Oldbird!
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465320#465320
>
>
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| From: | Semih Oksay <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
Oscar
I built a stainless motor mount and built in about 2.5 degrees of right
thrust. VS offset=8B will still be there. The mount is just a first t
rial. I
will measure the real angles (there is also some downthrust) and decide
whether to use it. I am also interested in astrophysics and quantum
physics. Just other hobbies. Keeps brain muscles going.
Good for you too, Taildrags'
Semih
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Steven Dortch
wrote:
> Oscar, do you know what engineers use for birth control?
>
> On Jan 21, 2017 9:39 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Semih; I'm going to be 66 in a few months so I'm not far behind you, and
>> my prediction is that your 5/8" vertical stabilizer offset will be prett
y
>> good, but not perfect.
>>
>> And I not only remember trig, I actually use it and enjoy it in my
>> engineering work There is a link between science, mathematics, and
>> philosophy that trigonometry captures. Those who know and understand th
e
>> mathematical constant pi know what I mean. The perfection of a circle i
s
>> described mathematically (and trigonometrically) by pi- and yet pi is an
>> irrational number that cannot be quantified as a fraction, its decimal
>> digits never repeat into infinity, it is not the root of any non-zero
>> polynomial, and as such it is a transcendental number- but even the
>> beginning student can grasp how it perfectly, exactly, describes the rat
io
>> of a circle's circumference to its diameter. By the use of this
>> relationship we understand everything from astrophysics to geolocation t
o
>> how to divide a pizza into equal parts even if there are an odd number o
f
>> people to be served ;o)
>>
>> Good for you, Oldbird!
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465320#465320
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve: no, I don't know what engineers use for birth control, but I'll bet you
have an angle ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
Engineers use their personalities for birth control!
On Jan 22, 2017 12:29 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Steve: no, I don't know what engineers use for birth control, but I'll bet
> you have an angle ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465334#465334
>
>
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| Subject: | My measuring mistake |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
I've discovered my tail post is 1" too tallit's 11 7/8". This "too tall" mistake
carries forward to the pilot seat back where the fuselage is 3/8" too tall (the
start of the error).
I'm about to dig the nails from gussets before I start the job of gusset removal.
I was wondering how much of an affect that extra inch would have on weight & balance
as well as handling characteristics; the rudder would have to be increased
an inch.
Just something to ponder on a dreary day here.
John
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: My measuring mistake |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
John,
I am building a Piet with a steel tube fuselage, so my questions only come from
looking at the plans, not actual experience building the wood fuselage. So take
it FWIW.
Are your top longerons parallel with the ground, or is there a slight bow in them?
If they are have a bow, then my guess is that you have a problem.
However, if they are parallel to the ground, then are you saying that the tail
post is an inch too long? In other words, it extends 11 and 7/8' below the top
longeron? If so, can you not just make the vertical stabilizer 44 and 1/2", not
43 and 1/2", as the plans show?
Builders of the wood fuselage may throw a rock at me for suggesting it, but that
is just my initial thought.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Spring Landing Gear designs |
Hi all,
A long time since I posted anything. Yesterday morning on pre-flight I
noticed that the lashings on one of my bungees was slipping. Its time
to change the bungees anyway, and it seems like a good time to convert
to spring struts. I have Hans VanderVorts design in hand, and I've also
looked at William Wynn external tube design. Those of you already using
these designs, are you happy with the spring that ACS sells, or did you
use something from McMaster Carr that works as well? I've seen several
Piets with the exposed spring design, but haven't seen one like the Wynn
design, though it looks like it would be easier to convert using pieces
from my existing gear. Your thoughts welcome!
Ben Charvet
NX866BC, 326 hrs and holding for upgrades
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve,
I thought that that was what air line pilots use. [Laughing] [Wink]
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: My measuring mistake |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Terry. The problem is at the lower longeron. When laying out the jig, I
apparently measured 10 7/8" from the outside of the top longeron and made my mark
for the bottom longeron, but placed the inside (not outside) of the bottom
longeron there, giving me a tail post 1" too long.
The top is straight. If I leave it as it is, I'll have to extend the rudder an
inch. I'm not sure what else could be affected. I'm trying to stick to the plans,
so this irritates me.
I'm curious, though, how much that 1" would affect the aircraft. It's a gentle
curve from the tail to pilot seat back where the plane would be only 3/8" too
tall
John
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John
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| Subject: | Re: My measuring mistake |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Gotcha.
I defer to my wooden brethren.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
LOL!
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 2:44 PM, jarheadpilot82
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Steve,
>
> I thought that that was what air line pilots use. [Laughing] [Wink]
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465341#465341
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Sorry for the delay -- I haven't been home (near my computer). I'm in
Salisbury, North Carolina. It's about 40 miles NE of Charlotte, NC. My
pictures are scattered through my main computer, an electronic tablet, and
my cell phone. I am going to have to have one of my computer expert
grandsons tell me how to gather them all together in my desk computer. As
soon as we can do that, I will get some pics on the net. Chuck
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Steven Dortch
wrote:
> Chuck, where are you? I am in San Antonio and will be unable to work on
> anything due to a wing surgery (mine not a planes) I might want to come
> take a look.
> Yes send pics and include one of the young cadet. I'll bet you were young
> and pretty.
> Don't give up on the airline pilot dream. There is a huge pilot shortage
> and perhaps you can get a waiver! (LOL)
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:02 AM, Scott Knowlton > wrote:
>
>> Please post some pictures Charles
>>
>> Scott K
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Charles N. Campbell <
>> charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Terry, if the Lord lets me live another month (Feb. 18), I'll be 93. I'm
>> six months older than George Bush senior. George has the honor of being
>> the youngest person to have finished Navy flight school. Before he came
>> along, I had that honor. I finished Flight school in Corpus Cristi, Tex on
>> September 8, 1943, at the ripe old age of 19.
>>
>> My Piet is almost finished. As soon as I figure how to run the throttle
>> and mixture control lines and do it, I'll cover the fuselage, paint it,
>> install the metal fire wall, and put it all together. The wing panels and
>> tail surfaces (the tail surfaces and ailerons still need paint) are ready
>> to be bolted on. I'll send some pictures if anyone is interested.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:48 AM, jarheadpilot82 <
>> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> Oscar,
>>>
>>> Excellent explanation. Very clear, logical, and concise. Nicely done.
>>>
>>> Chuck,
>>>
>>> Again, how old are you? I am 59 and I have forgotten how to spell Trig,
>>> much less do it. You are my hero, and I want to be like you when I grow up.
>>> But being a professional air line pilot, I may never accomplish that (grow
>>> up, that is.) [Wink] [Laughing]
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Semper Fi,
>>>
>>> Terry Hand
>>> Athens, GA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465187#465187
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> br> enpol-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.mat
>>> ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>> ==========
>>> FORUMS -
>>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>> WIKI -
>>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>> b Site -
>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Spring Landing Gear designs |
| From: | "aviken" <aviken(at)hughes.net> |
I built my gear using the WW die spring method. I got my springs form AS
and built them close to his plans as possible . I did connect mine to the landing
gear attatchment point and not to a center v as some do . I have been very
happy with the set up
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465348#465348
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/landing_gear_finished_1_886.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Spring Landing Gear designs |
Did you buy large washers for the tube caps, or make your own?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 22, 2017, at 6:13 PM, aviken wrote:
>
>
> I built my gear using the WW die spring method. I got my springs form AS
> and built them close to his plans as possible . I did connect mine to the landing
gear attatchment point and not to a center v as some do . I have been
very happy with the set up
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465348#465348
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/landing_gear_finished_1_886.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: My measuring mistake |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Really, I doubt it would matter at all. Folks use all manners of tailwheels, some
which change their own weight by that much as they wear.
Aerodynamically, cannot it would matter either. This airplane lives in the middle
of a wide range of good. About the only hinky thing is weight and balance,
which should be checked anyway, and which is correctable for that minor amount
of weight a thousand ways.
The real issue is how YOU feel about it. Fixable with a lot of work, about two
bucks of epoxy, and five bucks worth of wood.
This plane was designed for 150 lb pilots, but 200 lb'ers are flying it. Nice
spruce but dense doug fir is used. 1/16 wires but 3/32 is used... This isn't
that big of a deal. I'm a fan of build to fix anyway, rather than strict plan
compliance. FEW eyes are calibrated to one inch on this plane. Might matter
on a Queen Anne period reproduction... But not this!
In fact I'll bet things like cockpit wing cutouts, and scalloped trailing edges
change the square inch amount of rudders and stabs more than this.
Mike
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465350#465350
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Spring Landing Gear designs |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Ben,
I had posted this on the Pietvair forum a while back. But since you are unable
to see that, I am sharing here. The spring shown is the one I used, and it is
a good bit cheaper than what can be found elsewhere.
I hope the info helps.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465353#465353
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_6219_837.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/die_spring_gear_measurements_dragged_1_156.pdf
http://forums.matronics.com//files/die_springs_info_394.png
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Spring Landing Gear designs |
Ben I bought mine at a local Fastenal
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 22, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Ben Charvet wrote:
>
>
> Did you buy large washers for the tube caps, or make your own?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 6:13 PM, aviken wrote:
>>
>>
>> I built my gear using the WW die spring method. I got my springs form AS
>> and built them close to his plans as possible . I did connect mine to the
landing gear attatchment point and not to a center v as some do . I have been
very happy with the set up
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465348#465348
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/landing_gear_finished_1_886.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Spring Landing Gear designs |
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
Terry,
I can' t open the attachments
Ben
On 1/22/2017 6:59 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> I had posted this on the Pietvair forum a while back. But since you are unable
to see that, I am sharing here. The spring shown is the one I used, and it is
a good bit cheaper than what can be found elsewhere.
>
> I hope the info helps.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465353#465353
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_6219_837.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/die_spring_gear_measurements_dragged_1_156.pdf
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/die_springs_info_394.png
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Spring Landing Gear designs |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Ben,
I had posted this on the Pietvair forum a while back. But since you are unable
to see that, I am sharing here. The spring shown is the one I used, and it is
a good bit cheaper than what can be found elsewhere.
I hope the info helps.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465356#465356
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/die_spring_gear_measurements_dragged_1_477.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/die_springs_info_191.png
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_6225_144.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_6223_163.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_6221_168.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_6219_195.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Spring Landing Gear designs |
| From: | "aviken" <aviken(at)hughes.net> |
I believe I bought large washers at the local hardware store. Seems I did have
to do some grinding work to get them to fit.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465358#465358
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: My measuring mistake |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Mike.I appreciate the post.
John
--------
John
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465359#465359
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: My measuring mistake |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
John;
What's funny is that I have seen discussions about how if the airplane is built to the plans, the lower edge of the rudder protrudes below the tailpost just a little. So, it may be that you're ahead of the game ;o) Here's an example, Chuck Gantzer's Piet: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chuck%20Gantzer/images/ride.jpg
Here's another, Gary Boothe's:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/P1040823.JPG
And another, Kevin Purtee's:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/P1040823.JPG
And finally, you can see in this very close-up photo of Kurt Shipman's airplane
that if you don't flatten or round-off that very last bit of the rudder, it will
be just a bit longer than the bottom of the tailpost and won't fair into the
line of the lower longeron.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Kurt%20Shipman/images/P1010094.JPG
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465362#465362
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: My measuring mistake |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
...whoops... here's Purtee's Fat Bottom Girl:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Kevin%20Purtee/images/IMG_0114.jpg
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465363#465363
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JERRY" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET> |
| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
Thanks Oscar for the info. I am more thinking I might be tail heavy. I am
just going through the entire airplane and fixing and making sure everything
is airworthy. The airplane came with the old plans and I do not have the
long fuse plans. It had an O290 GPU up front. I think a model A or B will
work. I will have the option to adjust the wing forward if needed. I guess I
just need to get everything mounted and weigh it and do the math.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 9:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long fuselage and Model A
-->
Jerry; to answer your question, I have not done this so, my comments are
general only. My airplane has a Continental A75 up front.
The original Air Camper had the water-cooled Ford "A" engine up front and
had the shortest length fuselage of the common variants. Many have noted
that more modern Air Campers have tended to be tail-heavy, and no doubt some
of that is due to extending the fuselage aft of the firewall by stretching
the cockpits or extending the empennage. You say you are rebuilding a
long-fuse Piet, so are you actually reworking the fuselage or are you just
thinking about the motor mounts and things that are ahead of the firewall?
I think your starting point should be to research what the weight of the
conventional Ford "A" engine conversion is, including radiator and coolant
system, and use that as your basis for comparison. It sounds like you may
want to keep your firewall-forward package at least as heavy as the
original, and think about where it's going to mount.
The standard Air Camper has cabane struts that pivot at both ends, which
allows the wing to be shifted aft to correct (or adjust) an aft CG, but only
within limits.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "JERRY" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET> |
| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
I ment to say nose heavy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JERRY
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 6:30 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long fuselage and Model A
Thanks Oscar for the info. I am more thinking I might be tail heavy. I am
just going through the entire airplane and fixing and making sure everything
is airworthy. The airplane came with the old plans and I do not have the
long fuse plans. It had an O290 GPU up front. I think a model A or B will
work. I will have the option to adjust the wing forward if needed. I guess I
just need to get everything mounted and weigh it and do the math.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 9:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long fuselage and Model A
-->
Jerry; to answer your question, I have not done this so, my comments are
general only. My airplane has a Continental A75 up front.
The original Air Camper had the water-cooled Ford "A" engine up front and
had the shortest length fuselage of the common variants. Many have noted
that more modern Air Campers have tended to be tail-heavy, and no doubt some
of that is due to extending the fuselage aft of the firewall by stretching
the cockpits or extending the empennage. You say you are rebuilding a
long-fuse Piet, so are you actually reworking the fuselage or are you just
thinking about the motor mounts and things that are ahead of the firewall?
I think your starting point should be to research what the weight of the
conventional Ford "A" engine conversion is, including radiator and coolant
system, and use that as your basis for comparison. It sounds like you may
want to keep your firewall-forward package at least as heavy as the
original, and think about where it's going to mount.
The standard Air Camper has cabane struts that pivot at both ends, which
allows the wing to be shifted aft to correct (or adjust) an aft CG, but only
within limits.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465321#465321
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Oscar, I just hope my Piet gets flown before I pass to the great
hereafter! I think I'll make it, but then there is a possibility that I
won't. Chuck
On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:52 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Chuck: the reason I didn't want to mess with moving or fabricating new
> rear L-brackets for the aft edge of the vertical stabilizer was "laziness"
> ;o) Yes, I could do that and accommodate another 1.4 degrees of twist
> without worrying about the wood spar. I know you think that slight angle
> of rotation sounds insignificant, but when you push the leading edge of the
> VS over and watch the rear spar stay fixed as everything else tightens up,
> you start thinking about the glue joints and everything else, and I didn't
> like the feeling as I pushed it over past the 1/2" that I gave it.
>
> By the way, the builder of my Piet, Corky Corbett, will also be 93 this
> year (I believe)- but he completed and flew NX41CC as a much younger man
> than you... he was only 80 ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465322#465322
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Spring Landing Gear designs |
Terry, I clicked on each of the attachments and the matronics listing and
got a 'article does not exist' on all four items. Anyone else have any
success? Chuck
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:59 PM, jarheadpilot82
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Ben,
>
> I had posted this on the Pietvair forum a while back. But since you are
> unable to see that, I am sharing here. The spring shown is the one I used,
> and it is a good bit cheaper than what can be found elsewhere.
>
> I hope the info helps.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465353#465353
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_6219_837.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/die_spring_gear_
> measurements_dragged_1_156.pdf
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/die_springs_info_394.png
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Spring Landing Gear designs |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Chuck,
Try again. Try right clicking on the pictures, and then you should be able to save
them to your own computer. The pictures are also on the Pietvair Forum.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465373#465373
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: My measuring mistake |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Oscar.very interesting. I'll check those links.
John
--------
John
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465375#465375
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Are you the Charles Campbell who spoke at the Redbird symposium at San
Marcos?
On Jan 23, 2017 7:54 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" <
charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> Oscar, I just hope my Piet gets flown before I pass to the great
> hereafter! I think I'll make it, but then there is a possibility that I
> won't. Chuck
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:52 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>>
>> Chuck: the reason I didn't want to mess with moving or fabricating new
>> rear L-brackets for the aft edge of the vertical stabilizer was "laziness"
>> ;o) Yes, I could do that and accommodate another 1.4 degrees of twist
>> without worrying about the wood spar. I know you think that slight angle
>> of rotation sounds insignificant, but when you push the leading edge of the
>> VS over and watch the rear spar stay fixed as everything else tightens up,
>> you start thinking about the glue joints and everything else, and I didn't
>> like the feeling as I pushed it over past the 1/2" that I gave it.
>>
>> By the way, the builder of my Piet, Corky Corbett, will also be 93 this
>> year (I believe)- but he completed and flew NX41CC as a much younger man
>> than you... he was only 80 ;o)
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465322#465322
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ===================================
>> br> enpol-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.
>> matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> ===================================
>> FORUMS -
>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>> ===================================
>> WIKI -
>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com
>> ===================================
>> b Site -
>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> ===================================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
No, sorry. That brought up an interesting memory. When I joined the US
Navy in 1941 I had to have a birth certificate. Mother didn't have one so
I went to the office of vital statistics in Raleigh NC to get one. I told
the clerk my name and he went back to the record section. He came back
with a handful of certificates and handed them to me and said, "Take your
pick." There were more than a dozen Charles Campbells in North Carolina
alone -- no telling how many in the US. Chuck
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Steven Dortch
wrote:
> Are you the Charles Campbell who spoke at the Redbird symposium at San
> Marcos?
>
> On Jan 23, 2017 7:54 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" <
> charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oscar, I just hope my Piet gets flown before I pass to the great
>> hereafter! I think I'll make it, but then there is a possibility that I
>> won't. Chuck
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:52 PM, taildrags
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Chuck: the reason I didn't want to mess with moving or fabricating new
>>> rear L-brackets for the aft edge of the vertical stabilizer was "laziness"
>>> ;o) Yes, I could do that and accommodate another 1.4 degrees of twist
>>> without worrying about the wood spar. I know you think that slight angle
>>> of rotation sounds insignificant, but when you push the leading edge of the
>>> VS over and watch the rear spar stay fixed as everything else tightens up,
>>> you start thinking about the glue joints and everything else, and I didn't
>>> like the feeling as I pushed it over past the 1/2" that I gave it.
>>>
>>> By the way, the builder of my Piet, Corky Corbett, will also be 93 this
>>> year (I believe)- but he completed and flew NX41CC as a much younger man
>>> than you... he was only 80 ;o)
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>> Medford, OR
>>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465322#465322
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> br> enpol-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.mat
>>> ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>> ==========
>>> FORUMS -
>>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>> WIKI -
>>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com
>>> ==========
>>> b Site -
>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Offset w/Corvair |
Why heck! You could be an illegal alien!
That is funny.
It is amazing how tied up on paperwork we can get.
Thanks for your service.
On Jan 23, 2017 10:05 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" <
charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> No, sorry. That brought up an interesting memory. When I joined the US
> Navy in 1941 I had to have a birth certificate. Mother didn't have one so
> I went to the office of vital statistics in Raleigh NC to get one. I told
> the clerk my name and he went back to the record section. He came back
> with a handful of certificates and handed them to me and said, "Take your
> pick." There were more than a dozen Charles Campbells in North Carolina
> alone -- no telling how many in the US. Chuck
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Steven Dortch > wrote:
>
>> Are you the Charles Campbell who spoke at the Redbird symposium at San
>> Marcos?
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2017 7:54 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" <
>> charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oscar, I just hope my Piet gets flown before I pass to the great
>>> hereafter! I think I'll make it, but then there is a possibility that I
>>> won't. Chuck
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:52 PM, taildrags
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Chuck: the reason I didn't want to mess with moving or fabricating new
>>>> rear L-brackets for the aft edge of the vertical stabilizer was "laziness"
>>>> ;o) Yes, I could do that and accommodate another 1.4 degrees of twist
>>>> without worrying about the wood spar. I know you think that slight angle
>>>> of rotation sounds insignificant, but when you push the leading edge of the
>>>> VS over and watch the rear spar stay fixed as everything else tightens up,
>>>> you start thinking about the glue joints and everything else, and I didn't
>>>> like the feeling as I pushed it over past the 1/2" that I gave it.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, the builder of my Piet, Corky Corbett, will also be 93 this
>>>> year (I believe)- but he completed and flew NX41CC as a much younger man
>>>> than you... he was only 80 ;o)
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>>> Medford, OR
>>>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>>>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jerry; I would be happy to help you with whatever information you want to know
about the long fuselage. I own a complete set of Pietenpol Family plans from
which no Air Camper has yet been constructed, and I also have a set from which
my airplane was built. I think everyone in this group is in favor of a builder/pilot
knowing exactly what he/she has, and sharing information from the plans
can help you build and fly safely.
A few quick dimensional checks of your fuselage sides will tell which of the various
versions of fuselage you've got, and in fact there are some very detailed
fuselage comparisons available in the Matronics list archives. As I recall,
the most complete comparison identifies four different "stock" or "plans" fuselage
variants, although there are probably dozens of one-off variants.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "JERRY" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET> |
| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
Thanks again Oscar. I have attached a picture of my fuse measurements. Most
of the length is in the front of the fuse.
Thanks
Jerry
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Jerry; I would be happy to help you with whatever information you want to
know about the long fuselage. I own a complete set of Pietenpol Family
plans from which no Air Camper has yet been constructed, and I also have a
set from which my airplane was built. I think everyone in this group is in
favor of a builder/pilot knowing exactly what he/she has, and sharing
information from the plans can help you build and fly safely.
A few quick dimensional checks of your fuselage sides will tell which of the
various versions of fuselage you've got, and in fact there are some very
detailed fuselage comparisons available in the Matronics list archives. As
I recall, the most complete comparison identifies four different "stock" or
"plans" fuselage variants, although there are probably dozens of one-off
variants.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Jerry,
You might contact Bob Dewenter in OH, who has a spreadsheet that will calculate
weight & balance.
Since we don't have a photo of your project, it's difficult to identify what all
you'll need to input into the spreadsheet. That said, the items will include
all of the existing weights, and dimensions along with the weight of the Model
A/B, engine mount, and associated cooling equipment.
The spreadsheet may be used in an interesting manner, where you can actually use
it to calculate the CG by entering the position of the engine & cooling items,
and modifying those locations. From this info, you can construct the engine
mounting system to place the CG within limits.
Bob has a full set of instructions as to how to use the spreadsheet, and it will
take some working with it to understand what to do, and how to do it, but it
will eliminate all of the hand calculations to answer the questions you have
- at least regarding W&B.
Bob's email is rdewenter (at) woh.rr.com (Forgive me if this results in a flood
of emails, Bob!)
Best of luck in your build - and please post pics!
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve,
An air line pilot's second form of birth control is his layover attire. [Laughing]
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/18/17 |
LOL
On Jan 24, 2017 2:08 PM, "jarheadpilot82"
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Steve,
>
> An air line pilot's second form of birth control is his layover attire.
> [Laughing]
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465407#465407
>
>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douwe(at)douwestudios.com> |
| Subject: | straight axle stiffener project |
Hey all,
Just finished a fun winter project.
The axle for the "Jenny " gear calls for 1/8th wall, 1 1/2" od tubing. it is
plenty strong for the Ford Piet as designed, but some of our heavier ladies
have experienced varying degrees of bending. After four seasons of flying,
Re-Piet's big wheels began to show a noticeable "camber" meaning the axle
was taking on a permanent bend/bow. I know some people who have went to a
thicker wall, which adds a ton of weight and some have paid a fortune to
have the axle heat-treated by a specialty company. After much thinking and
discussing with engineer friends, I made a new axle to the standard
measurements and layed up a carbon fiber bar (mold shown). I made it about
1/4" thick, then trimmed it for a slip fit into the axle. This was then
sandwiched between two pieces of hard foam and shaped the whole enchilada
for a nice slip fit. I then coated the inside of the axle and the enchilada
with epoxy and slid it into the axle so the carbon bar will be vertically
oriented. it goes all the way to each end of the axle so there's no new
"stress point" introduced. it only weighed a few ounces and it should
certainly help. basically we're creating a I beam out of the tube by
introducing the central web.
we'll see how this one holds up to the extra weight and my occasional
"carrier landing"...
Douwe
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| Subject: | Brazil Air Camper looking for wht n bal info + Piets flying |
| From: | "oakesje" <jill.oakes(at)umanitoba.ca> |
Fabrizio emailed me asking about wht n bal questions for his Air Camper - his contact
info is Fabrizio Bolelli fabrizio.bolelli(at)electrolux.com; bolellif(at)yahoo.com.br;
I'm just a learner so uncomfortable providing any advice, thought i'd
post it here plus i've told him about this forum in case he has access.
I'm flying the Pietenpol Adrian Meilleur had, the newly overhauled A75 Continental
is pretty awesome, amazing to have every cylinder with compression now!! Time
to get ready for another flight to Pietenpol Meca :) who else is planning
to fly in?
Jill
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| Subject: | Re: straight axle stiffener project |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Douwe: this is very interesting. Now for my disclaimer: I'm no structural engineer!
However, in my humble opinion, the effectiveness of this hybrid composite
structure (your internally-braced Jenny axle) in resisting bending is going
to be maximized by a good epoxy bond between the carbon 'bar' and the steel tube
walls. The hard foam filler will certainly stabilize things to resist buckling
or warping of the bar under bending loads, no problem there. Now whether
the full potential of the bar is developed will be determined by its ability
to accept tension loads in its lower strands as the bending is transferred to
the bar from the steel tube. If you got a good epoxy bond between them and you
ensure that the bar is vertical with respect to axle travel in the gear legs,
it sounds like you've got yourself a very elegant solution to stiffening the
axle without adding significant weight!
There are builders who take the "bigger hammer" approach like me, and then there
are artists like yourself ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465416#465416
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jerry; it looks like what you've got there is a one-off variant. For your information,
here's a snip from a very thorough dissertation on Piet fuselage length
variations by Chris Bobka, from around 2004. He's responding to a question
from builder Walt Evans and it has to do with the axle location because that's
pretty important to how the airplane will handle on the ground, but look past
some of that to see the information on some key dimensions. Get a piece of
scratch paper and a pencil and sketch it out. You might check some other dimensions
on your airframe, but you may very likely have a hermaphrodite there...
but not unprecedented. And by the way, Walt Evans built and flew his absolutely
gorgeous Air Camper successfully, and you can see pictures of it on the Westcoastpiet.com
site. Here's one such picture:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WB%20Evans/images/1200Fly.jpg
Note that Chris refers to a "Pavliga long fuselage" (Frank Pavliga, a legend in
the Piet world)- with a fuselage of 172.375" long. If I've added up the numbers
in your sketch correctly, your fuselage is 172" long, so there is at least
one other airplane out there flying with a fuselage that is within 3/8" of being
the same length as yours and Pavliga's. Not to worry though... the laws
of physics still apply, which means that one or more of the very useful CG calculation
spreadsheets out there will help you build and fly a safe airplane.
We put men on the moon with nothing more than slide rules... so anything is possible
if you have a spreadsheet. Here's some reading for you, snipped from the
archives.
================
The 1932 fuselage (Hoopman drawings and 1932 Flying and Glider Manual) is 161 inches
long. The 1933 Improved Air Camper fuselage is 163 inches long. The Pavliga
long fuselage is 172.375 inches long. This is the one I understand you
have built.
It appears that the intersection of the first truss verticals with the lower longeron
on the 1932 fuselage is 8.375 or 8.5 inches aft of the firewall, depending
on which set of plans you look at. On the 1933 Improved fuselage, it is 10
inches, and on the Pavliga long fuselage, it is 12 inches. This would mean
that the wood gear, unmodified from the 1932 plans and as mounted on the Pavliga
long fuselage, would put the axle 12-8.5 or 3.5 inches farther aft on the long
fuselage than on the 1932 fuselage. It would be at 13.5 (see paragraph 1
sentence 1) + 3.5 or 17 inches aft of the firewall. Is this a good place for
it? Frank P. said it was too far forward at 17 inches aft of the firewall so
he moved it aft when he did the engine switch.
A better indicator of proper gear position is comparing it to the rear seat back
position in the particular fuselage since this indicates the shift aft of the
CG position as the fuselages have been stretched. The rear seat back (at the
top longeron) in the 1932 fuselage is 70.5 inches aft of the firewall. The
rear seat back in the 1933 Improved fuselage is 72.25 inches aft of the firewall.
The rear seat back of the Pavliga long fuselage is 76.25 inches aft of the
firewall. This is a substantial shift aft in the position of the CG versus
the axle position as the fuselage is stretched.
Therefore, the axle on the 1932 fuselage is 70.5 -13.5 or 57 inches forward of
the rear seat back. The axle on the 1933 Improved is 72.25 -17 or 55.25 inches
forward of the rear seat back. Let us ignore the value from the 1932 fuselage
for reasons to be discussed later. Using the number from 1933 and applying
this to the Pavliga long fuselage, we should have the axle at 76.25 - 55.25 or
21 inches aft of the firewall. Two paragraphs ago we determined that it will
actually wind up at 17 inches aft of the firewall with the wood gear, unmodified,
and Frank P. says this is too far forward. Therefore, it appears that we
need to redesign the gear so that the axle will sit farther aft in the V to the
tune of about 21 -17 or 4 inches.
As we noted above, if you look at the sweep of the V in the 1932 plans, you will
note that the front attach of the V is at 8.5 inches aft of the firewall. We
know that the axle is about 13.5 inches aft of the firewall. Therefore, the
sweep is 13.5 - 8.5 or 5 inches for the wood gear. Doing the same analysis for
the 1933 Improved Air Camper, we know the front attach of the V is at 10 inches
aft of the firewall and the axle is at 17 inches aft of the firewall. Therefore
the sweep is 17 -10 or 7 inches for the split axle gear. The next sentence
is important. If you put the 1932 wood gear on a 1933 Improved fuselage, you
would have an axle that will be 7 - 5 or 2 inches forward of where it would
have been if you had used the split axle gear!!!! So the gears are not necessarily
interchangeable!!! Logic says that it does not matter which style gear
you use. The axle should always be in the same relative position. I see this
as an admission by BP that the original 1932 axle was too far forward by 2 inches.
And now we know what Frank P. was talking about!!!!
It is obvious that BP saw fit, when designing the 1933 Improved Air Camper, that
if he lengthened the fuselage from 161 to 163 inches and moved the pilot's rear
seat back aft by 1.75 inches, then he must move the axle aft by 17 -13.5 -
2 or 1.5 inches. (Consider 2 of the 3.5 inch difference between 17 and 13.5
as a design correction and the remaining 1.5 of the 3.5 inches to be an adjustment
for the new fuselage length and movement aft of the rear seat back.) So
what would BP do if he made the fuselage 172.375 inches long (a whopping 9.375
inches longer) and moved the rear seat back aft yet another 76.25 -72.25 or 4
inches?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465417#465417
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| From: | "JERRY" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET> |
| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
Thanks again Oscar I am sure I can figure it out. I too think that I have an
one-off fuselage were most if not all of the added length is in the nose. I
will have to do a W & B calculation but I am betting that I will have to
move the wing forward a little and place the Model A or B engine as far back
as possible. Also I can lose some weight up front with an aluminum head and
maybe some other mods. It will help that I am 220 lbs. Also I have found
that the gear are totally junk as over half of the main tube was rusted
through. So I will have to make new gear. So I can get it placed where I
want it. I have not emailed Bob yet but will do that today. I do have a
picture working on the wing on the Pietenpol facebook group with my
grandson. He comes over every Thursday night to help or me help him I am not
sure. It forces me to have something ready for him to work on so the plane
is coming along nicely.
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 10:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long fuselage and Model A
-->
Jerry; it looks like what you've got there is a one-off variant. For your
information, here's a snip from a very thorough dissertation on Piet
fuselage length variations by Chris Bobka, from around 2004. He's
responding to a question from builder Walt Evans and it has to do with the
axle location because that's pretty important to how the airplane will
handle on the ground, but look past some of that to see the information on
some key dimensions. Get a piece of scratch paper and a pencil and sketch
it out. You might check some other dimensions on your airframe, but you may
very likely have a hermaphrodite there... but not unprecedented. And by the
way, Walt Evans built and flew his absolutely gorgeous Air Camper
successfully, and you can see pictures of it on the Westcoastpiet.com site.
Here's one such picture:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WB%20Evans/images/1200Fly.jpg
Note that Chris refers to a "Pavliga long fuselage" (Frank Pavliga, a
legend in the Piet world)- with a fuselage of 172.375" long. If I've added
up the numbers in your sketch correctly, your fuselage is 172" long, so
there is at least one other airplane out there flying with a fuselage that
is within 3/8" of being the same length as yours and Pavliga's. Not to
worry though... the laws of physics still apply, which means that one or
more of the very useful CG calculation spreadsheets out there will help you
build and fly a safe airplane. We put men on the moon with nothing more
than slide rules... so anything is possible if you have a spreadsheet.
Here's some reading for you, snipped from the archives.
================
The 1932 fuselage (Hoopman drawings and 1932 Flying and Glider Manual) is
161 inches long. The 1933 Improved Air Camper fuselage is 163 inches long.
The Pavliga long fuselage is 172.375 inches long. This is the one I
understand you have built.
It appears that the intersection of the first truss verticals with the lower
longeron on the 1932 fuselage is 8.375 or 8.5 inches aft of the firewall,
depending on which set of plans you look at. On the 1933 Improved fuselage,
it is 10 inches, and on the Pavliga long fuselage, it is 12 inches. This
would mean that the wood gear, unmodified from the 1932 plans and as mounted
on the Pavliga long fuselage, would put the axle 12-8.5 or 3.5 inches
farther aft on the long fuselage than on the 1932 fuselage. It would be at
13.5 (see paragraph 1 sentence 1) + 3.5 or 17 inches aft of the firewall.
Is this a good place for it? Frank P. said it was too far forward at 17
inches aft of the firewall so he moved it aft when he did the engine switch.
A better indicator of proper gear position is comparing it to the rear seat
back position in the particular fuselage since this indicates the shift aft
of the CG position as the fuselages have been stretched. The rear seat back
(at the top longeron) in the 1932 fuselage is 70.5 inches aft of the
firewall. The rear seat back in the 1933 Improved fuselage is 72.25 inches
aft of the firewall.
The rear seat back of the Pavliga long fuselage is 76.25 inches aft of the
firewall. This is a substantial shift aft in the position of the CG versus
the axle position as the fuselage is stretched.
Therefore, the axle on the 1932 fuselage is 70.5 -13.5 or 57 inches forward
of the rear seat back. The axle on the 1933 Improved is 72.25 -17 or 55.25
inches forward of the rear seat back. Let us ignore the value from the 1932
fuselage for reasons to be discussed later. Using the number from 1933 and
applying this to the Pavliga long fuselage, we should have the axle at 76.25
- 55.25 or
21 inches aft of the firewall. Two paragraphs ago we determined that it will
actually wind up at 17 inches aft of the firewall with the wood gear,
unmodified, and Frank P. says this is too far forward. Therefore, it
appears that we need to redesign the gear so that the axle will sit farther
aft in the V to the tune of about 21 -17 or 4 inches.
As we noted above, if you look at the sweep of the V in the 1932 plans, you
will note that the front attach of the V is at 8.5 inches aft of the
firewall. We know that the axle is about 13.5 inches aft of the firewall.
Therefore, the sweep is 13.5 - 8.5 or 5 inches for the wood gear. Doing the
same analysis for the 1933 Improved Air Camper, we know the front attach of
the V is at 10 inches aft of the firewall and the axle is at 17 inches aft
of the firewall. Therefore the sweep is 17 -10 or 7 inches for the split
axle gear. The next sentence is important. If you put the 1932 wood gear on
a 1933 Improved fuselage, you would have an axle that will be 7 - 5 or 2
inches forward of where it would have been if you had used the split axle
gear!!!! So the gears are not necessarily interchangeable!!! Logic says
that it does not matter which style gear you use. The axle should always be
in the same relative position. I see this as an admission by BP that the
original 1932 axle was too far forward by 2 inches.
And now we know what Frank P. was talking about!!!!
It is obvious that BP saw fit, when designing the 1933 Improved Air Camper,
that if he lengthened the fuselage from 161 to 163 inches and moved the
pilot's rear seat back aft by 1.75 inches, then he must move the axle aft by
17 -13.5 -
2 or 1.5 inches. (Consider 2 of the 3.5 inch difference between 17 and 13.5
as a design correction and the remaining 1.5 of the 3.5 inches to be an
adjustment for the new fuselage length and movement aft of the rear seat
back.) So what would BP do if he made the fuselage 172.375 inches long (a
whopping 9.375 inches longer) and moved the rear seat back aft yet another
76.25 -72.25 or 4 inches?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "JERRY" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET> |
| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
Oops I should have thanked taildrags. I have been up to the fly inn a couple
time with Jack Textor bet did not talk to many people there. Someday I hope
to fly it up there.
Thanks very much for the help.
Jerry
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 10:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Long fuselage and Model A
-->
Jerry; it looks like what you've got there is a one-off variant. For your
information, here's a snip from a very thorough dissertation on Piet
fuselage length variations by Chris Bobka, from around 2004. He's
responding to a question from builder Walt Evans and it has to do with the
axle location because that's pretty important to how the airplane will
handle on the ground, but look past some of that to see the information on
some key dimensions. Get a piece of scratch paper and a pencil and sketch
it out. You might check some other dimensions on your airframe, but you may
very likely have a hermaphrodite there... but not unprecedented. And by the
way, Walt Evans built and flew his absolutely gorgeous Air Camper
successfully, and you can see pictures of it on the Westcoastpiet.com site.
Here's one such picture:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WB%20Evans/images/1200Fly.jpg
Note that Chris refers to a "Pavliga long fuselage" (Frank Pavliga, a
legend in the Piet world)- with a fuselage of 172.375" long. If I've added
up the numbers in your sketch correctly, your fuselage is 172" long, so
there is at least one other airplane out there flying with a fuselage that
is within 3/8" of being the same length as yours and Pavliga's. Not to
worry though... the laws of physics still apply, which means that one or
more of the very useful CG calculation spreadsheets out there will help you
build and fly a safe airplane. We put men on the moon with nothing more
than slide rules... so anything is possible if you have a spreadsheet.
Here's some reading for you, snipped from the archives.
================
The 1932 fuselage (Hoopman drawings and 1932 Flying and Glider Manual) is
161 inches long. The 1933 Improved Air Camper fuselage is 163 inches long.
The Pavliga long fuselage is 172.375 inches long. This is the one I
understand you have built.
It appears that the intersection of the first truss verticals with the lower
longeron on the 1932 fuselage is 8.375 or 8.5 inches aft of the firewall,
depending on which set of plans you look at. On the 1933 Improved fuselage,
it is 10 inches, and on the Pavliga long fuselage, it is 12 inches. This
would mean that the wood gear, unmodified from the 1932 plans and as mounted
on the Pavliga long fuselage, would put the axle 12-8.5 or 3.5 inches
farther aft on the long fuselage than on the 1932 fuselage. It would be at
13.5 (see paragraph 1 sentence 1) + 3.5 or 17 inches aft of the firewall.
Is this a good place for it? Frank P. said it was too far forward at 17
inches aft of the firewall so he moved it aft when he did the engine switch.
A better indicator of proper gear position is comparing it to the rear seat
back position in the particular fuselage since this indicates the shift aft
of the CG position as the fuselages have been stretched. The rear seat back
(at the top longeron) in the 1932 fuselage is 70.5 inches aft of the
firewall. The rear seat back in the 1933 Improved fuselage is 72.25 inches
aft of the firewall.
The rear seat back of the Pavliga long fuselage is 76.25 inches aft of the
firewall. This is a substantial shift aft in the position of the CG versus
the axle position as the fuselage is stretched.
Therefore, the axle on the 1932 fuselage is 70.5 -13.5 or 57 inches forward
of the rear seat back. The axle on the 1933 Improved is 72.25 -17 or 55.25
inches forward of the rear seat back. Let us ignore the value from the 1932
fuselage for reasons to be discussed later. Using the number from 1933 and
applying this to the Pavliga long fuselage, we should have the axle at 76.25
- 55.25 or
21 inches aft of the firewall. Two paragraphs ago we determined that it will
actually wind up at 17 inches aft of the firewall with the wood gear,
unmodified, and Frank P. says this is too far forward. Therefore, it
appears that we need to redesign the gear so that the axle will sit farther
aft in the V to the tune of about 21 -17 or 4 inches.
As we noted above, if you look at the sweep of the V in the 1932 plans, you
will note that the front attach of the V is at 8.5 inches aft of the
firewall. We know that the axle is about 13.5 inches aft of the firewall.
Therefore, the sweep is 13.5 - 8.5 or 5 inches for the wood gear. Doing the
same analysis for the 1933 Improved Air Camper, we know the front attach of
the V is at 10 inches aft of the firewall and the axle is at 17 inches aft
of the firewall. Therefore the sweep is 17 -10 or 7 inches for the split
axle gear. The next sentence is important. If you put the 1932 wood gear on
a 1933 Improved fuselage, you would have an axle that will be 7 - 5 or 2
inches forward of where it would have been if you had used the split axle
gear!!!! So the gears are not necessarily interchangeable!!! Logic says
that it does not matter which style gear you use. The axle should always be
in the same relative position. I see this as an admission by BP that the
original 1932 axle was too far forward by 2 inches.
And now we know what Frank P. was talking about!!!!
It is obvious that BP saw fit, when designing the 1933 Improved Air Camper,
that if he lengthened the fuselage from 161 to 163 inches and moved the
pilot's rear seat back aft by 1.75 inches, then he must move the axle aft by
17 -13.5 -
2 or 1.5 inches. (Consider 2 of the 3.5 inch difference between 17 and 13.5
as a design correction and the remaining 1.5 of the 3.5 inches to be an
adjustment for the new fuselage length and movement aft of the rear seat
back.) So what would BP do if he made the fuselage 172.375 inches long (a
whopping 9.375 inches longer) and moved the rear seat back aft yet another
76.25 -72.25 or 4 inches?
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Medford, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jerry: "taildrags R us" ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
taildrags(at)hotmail.com
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Oscar Zuniga
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | flying and glider manual |
I need some help. My flying and glider manuals are up north and I am down south.
I need the picture of the hangar by the lake for a possible exhibit at the museum
at sun n fun. I think it is in the same manual (32) as the Pietenpol aircamper
plans, but not sure.
We are trying to sell the idea of an enclosure for the sunshine Clipper, which
we have done a lot of work on. We hate to think after all the work it will be
put back out in the Florida sun.
If anyone can PM me that picture it may help the cause.
Thanks
Skip
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| Subject: | Lower forward seat back |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
I built the forward seat back as described on the plans. In relation to the white
ash cross strut on the floor, it appears I'm supposed to cut a notch in the
white ash for the diagonal spruce boards (attached to the seat back).
I just want to make sure. It seems to make more sense to leave the ash as is and
cut the spruce to sit on it.
Just checking before I cut the white ash.
Thank you,
John
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| Subject: | Re: Lower forward seat back |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
John,
I don't have the plans handy, but I'm pretty certain that the ash cross member
does not get notched.
What part of the drawings gives you the impression that it should be notched?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Lower forward seat back |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Bill,
I made the front seat back as detailed at the bottom of drawing 1.
On drawing 3 in the center left is a profile showing the seat back and a note that
it's nailed to the ash crossmember.
When placing the ash in position, the only way for it to make contact with the
seat back is to cut a notch in the ash. The V shaped spruce boards on the seat
back are in the way.
Back to drawing 1, in the lower right area, is a constructional view of the front
cockpit. Looking at that, I can't tell if the V boards are going into the ash
(a notch) or the V ends at the top surface of the ash.
It seems to me if I make the seat back according to plans, I have to cut a notch
in the ash.
If there's no notch in the ash, then the V has to begin an inch up from the edge
of the plywood.
Maybe I'm missing something? Measuring error?
Thanks,
John
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| Subject: | Re: flying and glider manual |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Skip; I just sent you some snapshots of what I think you were looking for out of
the 1032 F&GM, but let me know if that wasn't it. I have the other volumes
as well.
The email will come from my work address, ozuniga(at)marquess.com .
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
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| Subject: | Re: flying and glider manual |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Will this work for you, Skip?
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| Subject: | Re: flying and glider manual |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Another illustration.
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| Subject: | Re: Lower forward seat back |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
John;
Don't notch the ash crossmember. The ends of the "V" sticks get epoxied to the top of the ash member and the plywood seat back attaches to them and carries on down past the ash to the plywood floor. The drawing at the bottom of Sheet 1 shows the plywood the same length as the V sticks, but it's got to be longer so it can get glued and nailed to the back edge of the ash. Here's a crude picture: http://flysquirrel.net/piets/stick/stick4.jpg . If you've already prefabricated the seat back V sticks and attached the plywood, all is not lost... you can just cut a strip of plywood (doubler) to overlap the seat back plywood and the ash member to attach the two. They really do need to be attached. I found that during entries and exits, particularly with heavy boots on, your boots can catch the plywood when sticking them through the cutouts for your feet, and this pushes the seat back forward. Although the V sticks resist that, the corners of the plywood need something to keep its bottom edge from getting shoved forward. You could also do it by gluing two short square sticks on top of the ash crossmember on the *forward* side of the plywood, something to attach corners of the bottom edge of the seat back to.
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Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Lower forward seat back |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Ok. I've had a look at the plans and I see what you're talking about. Don't notch
the ash cross member. It will reduce the strength of the ash piece and not
provide any benefit. If you've already glued and nailed the spruce to the
plywood it shouldn't be too difficult to trim off the bottom 1 inch of the spruce
parts. When I built mine, I put the spruce diagonals on the back side of
the plywood, so it wasn't an issue for my seat back.
Bill C.
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| From: | Michael Cuy <michaelcuy1(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lower forward seat back |
Hi John,
There is no need to notch the ash cross members. I can see where the plans
would lead you to believe this but no need.
Mike C.
Ohio
=8B
=8B
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Flying and Glider pictures |
Oscar, Bill Church, Jim Boyer, and Rick Schreiber,
Thanks guys, the pic's you sent are exactly what I was looking for. Now we can
start working on the guys with museum purse strings on the idea.
Thanks again,
Skip
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: flying and glider manual |
I love the fact that this workshop has a forge and an anvil for smithing
work. Not too many shops today have these tools and not too many people know
how to use them (including me)
My wife's grandfather was a blacksmith and she has his complete shop in
storage. I still think one day I will set it up to see if I can do more than
just get a lot of blisters.
Barry
NX976BP
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Another illustration.
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| Subject: | Re: Lower forward seat back |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Thank you everyone. It made no sense to me to cut into an important piece of wood
(the ash), so I needed to check (I'll still shave it to 3/4" at ends). I'll
just trim off the lower inch of the V spruce. Hopefully, my location of the cutout
in the plywood is OK (it's according to plans). I'll just fix that down
the road if it's a problem.
Thank you Mike for the drawings.
Thanks again!
John
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: flying and glider manual |
Incentive!! :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Mown8IY40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4CO_bbWJ2I
Clif
The fire that melts the butter tempers the steel.
Nietzsche
> My wife's grandfather was a blacksmith and she has his complete shop in
> storage. I still think one day I will set it up to see if I can do more
> than
> just get a lot of blisters.
> Barry
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| Subject: | Proper Way to Exit Cockpit |
| From: | "hall698" <webdatasoft(at)hotmail.com> |
I have mocked up the cockpit to determine how I will fit into it. I am 6' at 290lbs
and believe it or not.. I fit into it OK.. I do have a plan on dropping about
50lbs over the course of the build so that will help I am sure but my question
is what it the proper sequence of getting out of the plane. I saw one video
where a person used the rear center struts to grab and pull themselves up
but I am not sure if that is "correct".
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Proper Way to Exit Cockpit |
On my Piet, the original builder put a boat cleat big enough to stick my
hand in in the cutout. It sure helps get in and out. It cannot be used with
thick gloves.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 9:24 AM, hall698 wrote:
>
> I have mocked up the cockpit to determine how I will fit into it. I am 6'
> at 290lbs and believe it or not.. I fit into it OK.. I do have a plan on
> dropping about 50lbs over the course of the build so that will help I am
> sure but my question is what it the proper sequence of getting out of the
> plane. I saw one video where a person used the rear center struts to grab
> and pull themselves up but I am not sure if that is "correct".
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465499#465499
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Proper Way to Exit Cockpit |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
'hall698'- that's how I get in and out of my cockpit. Although I have a grab handle
right in the middle of the wing centersection cutout for the flop, I find
it more convenient to just grab those two cabane struts to haul myself in and
lower myself into the seat. You're sure not going to bend them or break them
by doing that!
On the other hand, to this day I wonder how the small and lightly-framed front
seat can deal with people standing on it to climb in and out of the front cockpit.
I can generally enter and exit the front cockpit by stepping on the floor
rather than the seat, but sometimes it's just easier to step on the seat. The
thing is, climbing into the front cockpit involves placing your entire weight
on one foot at some point in the maneuver, and you're hunched directly over
that foot when you climb in, so that can mean a lot of weight in a concentrated
spot.
That is, unless you're one of Mike Cuy's female passengers and he's giving you
a firm but gentle assist on your -ahem- "rear seat cushions" to boost you into
the cockpit. In that case, Mike is carrying part of the load, gallant man that
he is...
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Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "bradandlinda(at)tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Proper Way to Exit Cockpit |
If a woman is offended by your lifting her "rear seat cushion" just tell her to
"turn the other cheek".
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Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:56:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Proper Way to Exit Cockpit
'hall698'- that's how I get in and out of my cockpit. Although I have a grab handle
right in the middle of the wing centersection cutout for the flop, I find
it more convenient to just grab those two cabane struts to haul myself in and
lower myself into the seat. You're sure not going to bend them or break them
by doing that!
On the other hand, to this day I wonder how the small and lightly-framed front
seat can deal with people standing on it to climb in and out of the front cockpit.
I can generally enter and exit the front cockpit by stepping on the floor
rather than the seat, but sometimes it's just easier to step on the seat. The
thing is, climbing into the front cockpit involves placing your entire weight
on one foot at some point in the maneuver, and you're hunched directly over
that foot when you climb in, so that can mean a lot of weight in a concentrated
spot.
That is, unless you're one of Mike Cuy's female passengers and he's giving you
a firm but gentle assist on your -ahem- "rear seat cushions" to boost you into
the cockpit. In that case, Mike is carrying part of the load, gallant man that
he is...
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Proper Way to Exit Cockpit |
| From: | "hall698" <webdatasoft(at)hotmail.com> |
Excellent info. I can now modify my mockpit to allow for both the hand grasp at
the cutout as well as use the cabane struts as a means to exit. This mockpit
will end up being a sort of exercise equipment for me :)
Thanks also for thoughts on the front seat.. I will start now looking for prospective
passengers who might need help getting in.
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| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Proper Way to Exit Cockpit |
According to expert Piet owners on the net, you won't have to go looking
for prospects to help into the front pit -- they say the Piet is a chick
magnet which needs no rounding up of prospects. I wouldn't know --- my Piet
is still a few months from completion. Chuck
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 7:40 AM, hall698 wrote:
>
> Excellent info. I can now modify my mockpit to allow for both the hand
> grasp at the cutout as well as use the cabane struts as a means to exit.
> This mockpit will end up being a sort of exercise equipment for me :)
>
> Thanks also for thoughts on the front seat.. I will start now looking for
> prospective passengers who might need help getting in.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465519#465519
>
>
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| From: | Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Proper Way to Exit Cockpit |
I'm beginning to think you're all a bunch of pietenperves
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote:
>
> According to expert Piet owners on the net, you won't have to go looking f
or prospects to help into the front pit -- they say the Piet is a chick magn
et which needs no rounding up of prospects. I wouldn't know --- my Piet is s
till a few months from completion. Chuck
>
>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 7:40 AM, hall698 wrote:
>>
>> Excellent info. I can now modify my mockpit to allow for both the hand gr
asp at the cutout as well as use the cabane struts as a means to exit. This m
ockpit will end up being a sort of exercise equipment for me :)
>>
>> Thanks also for thoughts on the front seat.. I will start now looking for
prospective passengers who might need help getting in.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465519#465519
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| From: | "Jack Textor" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Hi all, Chris it seems we need a password for the site, correct?
Jack Textor
2400 SE Walnut Woods Ct
West Des Moines, IA 50265
515-490-5177
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| Subject: | Re: OT Riding mower |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve: I found the perfect, low-cost option for your mowing needs. Here you go!
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| From: | <mushface1(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: OT Riding mower |
I am glad you posted this. In Lincoln, MO., someone there built a large
triangle out of 2 X 2 X 1/8 angle. and had mounted one mower at the apex,
two mowers behind and the width of the first mowers cut apart for the second
row and at the back of the triangle mounted three mowers, the width of the
other mowers apart. It would cut about half the runway when pulled with a
truck or anything with a hitch. They were all old salvaged mowers that were
either discarded or bought used cheap and could be replaced individually if
one should quit running.
Dennis
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OT Riding mower
Steve: I found the perfect, low-cost option for your mowing needs. Here you
go!
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: OT Riding mower |
That will be training for a multi engine aircraft, like a B17!
On Jan 29, 2017 4:25 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Steve: I found the perfect, low-cost option for your mowing needs. Here
> you go!
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Proper Way to Exit Cockpit |
BTW big stearmans have two hand grips.
On Jan 29, 2017 6:42 AM, "hall698" wrote:
>
> Excellent info. I can now modify my mockpit to allow for both the hand
> grasp at the cutout as well as use the cabane struts as a means to exit.
> This mockpit will end up being a sort of exercise equipment for me :)
>
> Thanks also for thoughts on the front seat.. I will start now looking for
> prospective passengers who might need help getting in.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465519#465519
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Proper Way to Exit Cockpit |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Like this...
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| From: | Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Proper Way to Exit Cockpit |
I'll post a picture of an uncovered stearman center section tomorrow when I'
m at work. It'll show a lot of detail regarding beefiness (yes Oscar a prope
r engineering term=F0=9F=99=82)of structure
I love building these eighty year old beauties!
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Steven Dortch wro
te:
>
> BTW big stearmans have two hand grips.
>
>> On Jan 29, 2017 6:42 AM, "hall698" wrote:
>>
>> Excellent info. I can now modify my mockpit to allow for both the hand gr
asp at the cutout as well as use the cabane struts as a means to exit. This m
ockpit will end up being a sort of exercise equipment for me :)
>>
>> Thanks also for thoughts on the front seat.. I will start now looking for
prospective passengers who might need help getting in.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465519#465519
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Proper Way to Exit Cockpit |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I've got to say that I had to laugh out loud at the perfectly appropriate response
that 'bradandlinda' posted. Thank you, and yes- turning the other cheek is
scriptural!
As to anything having to do with Stearmans, I'm game. I have never been in one,
in flight or on the ground, although I will admit to having listened innumerable
times with eyes closed and volume turned up on my headphones to "Round Sounds
Vol. 1", Track No. 1, which is a startup to shutdown circuit of the airport
in a Stearman. I can visualize everything about the flight every time I listen
to that recording, but am especially enamored of the sounds as the airplane
comes down final with the wind in the wires and the engine at idle, then the
pilot briefly bumps the throttle to clear the engine just before landing, and
then there is the shhhhh-shhhh of the tires on grass. Beautiful. That track
is tied with Track 6, a Lockheed Electra from takeoff through climb to level
cruise, as being the most mesmerizing of sounds that I can imagine. The spine-tingling
part of the Electra recording is when the pilot gently walks the power
levers to synch No. 1 and No. 2 where they tease each other back and forth
through resonance until they both smooth together into a smooth, beautiful unity.
Twin radials in cruise flight... nothing else quite like it. (Jake Schultz,
where are you with that round engine on your Piet, man??!!)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465547#465547
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack; are you talking about what you need to access the site? Yikes... I just
tried it and although it was always free access, now it prompts for a username
and password. Not sure what happened... maybe Chris can chime in when he sees
this. An invaluable resource!
I was thinking of sending in some photos to Westcoastpiet of an Air Camper that
is being built in Brazil by Fabrizio Bolelli, and he's doing a beautiful job
of it! He is building to the 1932 Flying & Glider Manual plans, looks like he's
got it complete from firewall aft (including fabric and paint), and is now
trying to decide on an engine. I sent him a weight & balance spreadsheet so he
could run some what-ifs on the choices he is thinking about.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465548#465548
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
No, you do not need a password. I'm not sure why it is asking for a password.
When I go on the site, it doesn't prompt me for a password... curious.
Anyone else having this problem?
Chris
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465549#465549
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| From: | Andrew Hoots <eflyerc5(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
Chris,
Earlier today I was prompted for a password, but now=C2-I am=C2-not.=C2
- Thank you for providing such a wonderful wealth of information on this
site.=C2- Soon I will have enough pictures compiled to send to you for my
build.
Andy HootsO'Fallon, IL
On Monday, January 30, 2017 1:40 AM, Catdesigns wr
ote:
No, you do not need a password.=C2- I'm not sure why it is asking for a p
assword. When I go on the site, it doesn't prompt me for a password... curi
ous.
Anyone else having this problem?
Chris
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465549#465549
S -
WIKI -
-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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| From: | John Woods <jawesma(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
I am able to access the site without a password.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/index.htm
JohnW
Perth, W Australia
On 30 January 2017 at 15:27, Catdesigns wrote:
>
> No, you do not need a password. I'm not sure why it is asking for a
> password. When I go on the site, it doesn't prompt me for a password...
> curious.
>
> Anyone else having this problem?
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465549#465549
>
>
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| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
Working today Chris, weird. Thanks for all you do.
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 30, 2017, at 1:27 AM, Catdesigns wrote:
>
>
> No, you do not need a password. I'm not sure why it is asking for a password.
When I go on the site, it doesn't prompt me for a password... curious.
>
> Anyone else having this problem?
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465549#465549
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
I just went to West Coast Piet and got there without any problem. Chuck
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 2:27 AM, Catdesigns wrote:
>
> No, you do not need a password. I'm not sure why it is asking for a
> password. When I go on the site, it doesn't prompt me for a password...
> curious.
>
> Anyone else having this problem?
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465549#465549
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ed KTOWN Knouse <ktown069(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
Yes. When I try to log on the Matronics Pietenpol site I also get asked for a password
( which apparently I have forgotten!
Fortunately, I'm still receiving posts via the email alert system and if I tap
on any link it still takes me to the site (without a password requirement).
I emailed the Matronic's admin guyto sort out/reset a new password and never received
anything back.
Let me know if you find a solution!
KTOWN
"The Piety Project"
(aka "The Fabulous Princess Di")
Hybrid Air Camper
Wire wheels
694YU (reserved)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 23:32, Catdesigns wrote:
>
>
> No, you do not need a password. I'm not sure why it is asking for a password.
When I go on the site, it doesn't prompt me for a password... curious.
>
> Anyone else having this problem?
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465549#465549
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Stearman center section |
In the back ground is a stack of spars
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
| From: | "Vincent Dunn" <vincentkdunn(at)yahoo.com> |
Oscar,
Thanks for the Long history of CG calculations. But what is the answer to the question
posed at the end?
"So what would BP do if he made the fuselage 172.375 inches long (a whopping 9.375
inches longer) and moved the rear seat back aft yet another 76.25 -72.25 or
4 inches?"
I want to know since I'm also building the 172 3/8" fuselage per plans purchased
from Doc Mosier. How far aft of the firewall should the axle be? Thanks. Here's
a pix of the plans....
--------
Vincent Dunn
Salem Oregon
vincentkdunn(at)yahoo.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465578#465578
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/long_fuselage_plans_742.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Vincent: the answer is, "it depends" ;o) There is an excellent multi-part writeup
on the placement of the axle that was written up by William Wynne after extensive
weighing, measuring, and analysis of various Air Campers, and I'll need
to go back and re-read it because the conclusions were quite definite. The
thing about all of this is that if you do it right, you'll only have to do it
one time and you'll have a sound basis for setting it up the way you decide to.
Let me go back through the articles and see if I can boil it down to your case.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465593#465593
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Phew, I'm glad it is working again. Not sure what was happening. Typically it
only gets screwed up when try to fix things but this time I did nothing.
Chris
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "M W Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
Hi Chris,
I have not had any problems accessing the site on the web (great site by the
way!), but when I go to it on, (I'll duck when I say this....) Facebook....I
can only see the West Coast Piet logo, your 'friends' list (I'm also on your
'friends' list) and a post that I sent to you back in December 2016.
I'm just wondering if other people can see more on the FB page or if it is a
problem on my end.
Thanks and keep up the great job!!
Cheers
Mark Stanley
Japan
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
>
> Phew, I'm glad it is working again. Not sure what was happening.
> Typically it only gets screwed up when try to fix things but this time I
> did nothing.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Stiffeners and cross struts |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
I did a search for this and no help.
What size stiffeners do I need for the long fuselage and where do I position them?
I'm not putting a gas tank in front. Using Corvair engine.
Should I place the forward edge of the front stiffener against the 15" mark"? Just
make my stiffeners to whatever size needed and position them based from that
15" point?
Do the cowl supports and instrument panels attach to the cross struts?
Trying to figure it out from the short fuselage plans is not helping.
Thank you,
John Cronin
--------
John
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465626#465626
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Tracy <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
Hey Mark,
You don't see anything because nothing is there. =C2-I personally hate Fa
cebook. I think it is sad that the pietenpol traffic has gone there because
you can't archive or search or even follow what is going on. It is sad tha
t lots of good valuable stuff gets lost. =C2-
Personally, I would have been lost without the search function on this list
.
Chris
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:50 AM, M W Stanley wrote:
Hi Chris,
I have not had any problems accessing the site on the web (great site by th
e
way!), but when I go to it on, (I'll duck when I say this....) Facebook....
I
can only see the West Coast Piet logo, your 'friends' list (I'm also on you
r
'friends' list) and a post that I sent to you back in December 2016.
I'm just wondering if other people can see more on the FB page or if it is
a
problem on my end.
Thanks and keep up the great job!!
Cheers
Mark Stanley
Japan
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
>
> Phew, I'm glad it is working again.=C2- Not sure what was happening.
> Typically it only gets screwed up when try to fix things but this time I
> did nothing.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
>
>
>
S -
WIKI -
-
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
About the best advice I could come up with after an exhaustive study.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/wood_gear_placement_analysis.htm
Goes along nicely with WW advice.
Chris
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465629#465629
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "(null) raykrause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
Chris,
I agree completely!!!!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 31, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Chris Tracy wrote:
>
> Hey Mark,
>
> You don't see anything because nothing is there. I personally hate Facebo
ok. I think it is sad that the pietenpol traffic has gone there because you c
an't archive or search or even follow what is going on. It is sad that lots o
f good valuable stuff gets lost.
>
> Personally, I would have been lost without the search function on this lis
t.
>
> Chris
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:50 AM, M W Stanley
> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I have not had any problems accessing the site on the web (great site by t
he
> way!), but when I go to it on, (I'll duck when I say this....) Facebook...
.I
> can only see the West Coast Piet logo, your 'friends' list (I'm also on yo
ur
> 'friends' list) and a post that I sent to you back in December 2016.
> I'm just wondering if other people can see more on the FB page or if it is
a
> problem on my end.
>
> Thanks and keep up the great job!!
>
> Cheers
> Mark Stanley
> Japan
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:58 PM
> To:
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
>
> >
> > Phew, I'm glad it is working again. Not sure what was happening.
> > Typically it only gets screwed up when try to fix things but this time I
> > did nothing.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --------
> > Chris
> > Sacramento, CA
> > WestCoastPiet.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie --> ht= --> h - Li
st Contribution Web Site -http://www.matronic===========
========
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Long fuselage and Model A |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
OK, so I found the Wynne articles and have read through them. First comment: if
you don't have them and you want to learn, send $25 to Doc's Piet Shop, P.O.
Box 1001, Neenah WI 54957 in check, money order, or cash and you'll get a set
of the articles and commentary from Doc.
Now for the bottom line: "it depends" ;o) You ask where the axle should be placed
relative to the firewall, but all of the available information references
the axle location with respect to the datum, which is the wing leading edge in
the articles and commentary and is a common datum for aircraft W&B. The twist
to this is that the wing on a Piet can be moved forward and aft by tilting the
wing cabanes, so in effect the datum is a moving target. This can be a good
thing if the airplane is tail heavy, but it doesn't sound like yours is going
to be, with an extended front bay and a Ford engine.
The articles conclude that the best axle placement for a modern Air Camper with
brakes is about 3" aft of the leading edge of the wing with the aircraft level
(top longerons level, as they would be when you're conducting your W&B). Read
the articles to learn how that number was arrived at, but suffice it to say
that there is a good reason. I will admit that the axle distance on my airplane
is farther aft than optimum but I don't remember by how much. When you're
building your airplane, you don't know anything about where the wing leading
edge is going to end up, so you've got to check things as the build progresses.
If you build to the plans you've got (with cabanes vertical), the leading edge
of the wing will be 16-1/4" aft of the firewall with that long 23" bay at
the front of your fuselage, so the axle should be placed 19-1/4" aft of the firewall.
I got that dimension by looking at Drawing No. 1 of the 1933 Hoopman
plans (upper right corner), the front cabane mounting point is 14-1/4" from the
firewall and the wing leading edge is 7-1/2" from the firewall. If you lengthen
the front bay by 8-3/4", that moves the wing leading edge to 16-1/4" from
the firewall and the axle 3" aft of that.
In the Wynne study there is one aircraft with a fuselage length like yours, 172.375".
Like the other five aircraft in that initial sampling, it has the axle
farther aft than optimum, 7.125" aft of the wing leading edge.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465632#465632
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Stiffeners and cross struts |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
John: Westcoastpiet to the rescue (again)!! There are dozens and dozens of excellent
"bare fuselage" shots on this site, but let's give Chris Tracy the spotlight.
Take a look at his airplane and see if this doesn't help clarify things
a bit:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris_Tracy/Fuselage/IMG_1067.JPG
Note that if you're not using the Ford engine, you don't need the forward "tray".
If you're not using a nose tank, you don't really need the crossmember that
carries the tank straps, either. What you do need are some stiffeners, and
you'll see one behind the front instrument panel and another one between the rear
instrument panel and the top of the front seat back. My airplane is framed
just like this, except that mine has an extra crossmember to carry the nose
tank straps.
Gary Boothe's is another good one to look at:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/5-31-09_1.jpg
Rick Schreiber's:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Richard%20Schreiber/images/IMG_0546adj.jpg
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465633#465633
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Stiffeners and cross struts |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
John
On the long fuselage place the cross braces in the sam location relative to the
side clusters. They are also the same size as shown on the short fuselage plans.
Yes, the instrument panel and cowl support are attached tothe ccross support.
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465634#465634
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
That makes at least two of us. I would not put ANY of my
information on there!
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: (null) raykrause
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
Chris,
I agree completely!!!!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 31, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Chris Tracy wrote:
Hey Mark,
You don't see anything because nothing is there. I personally hate
Facebook. I think it is sad that the pietenpol traffic has gone there
because you can't archive or search or even follow what is going on. It
is sad that lots of good valuable stuff gets lost.
Personally, I would have been lost without the search function on
this list.
Chris
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:50 AM, M W Stanley
wrote:
Hi Chris,
I have not had any problems accessing the site on the web (great
site by the
way!), but when I go to it on, (I'll duck when I say this....)
Facebook....I
can only see the West Coast Piet logo, your 'friends' list (I'm
also on your
'friends' list) and a post that I sent to you back in December
2016.
I'm just wondering if other people can see more on the FB page or
if it is a
problem on my end.
Thanks and keep up the great job!!
Cheers
Mark Stanley
Japan
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:58 PM
To:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
>
> Phew, I'm glad it is working again. Not sure what was
happening.
> Typically it only gets screwed up when try to fix things but
this time I
> did nothing.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
>
>
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie --> ht= --> h
- List Contribution Web Site
-http://www.matronic==================
=
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
01/31/17
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
That makes at least two of us. I would not put ANY of my
information on there!
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: (null) raykrause
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
Chris,
I agree completely!!!!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 31, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Chris Tracy wrote:
Hey Mark,
You don't see anything because nothing is there. I personally hate
Facebook. I think it is sad that the pietenpol traffic has gone there
because you can't archive or search or even follow what is going on. It
is sad that lots of good valuable stuff gets lost.
Personally, I would have been lost without the search function on
this list.
Chris
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:50 AM, M W Stanley
wrote:
Hi Chris,
I have not had any problems accessing the site on the web (great
site by the
way!), but when I go to it on, (I'll duck when I say this....)
Facebook....I
can only see the West Coast Piet logo, your 'friends' list (I'm
also on your
'friends' list) and a post that I sent to you back in December
2016.
I'm just wondering if other people can see more on the FB page or
if it is a
problem on my end.
Thanks and keep up the great job!!
Cheers
Mark Stanley
Japan
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:58 PM
To:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
>
> Phew, I'm glad it is working again. Not sure what was
happening.
> Typically it only gets screwed up when try to fix things but
this time I
> did nothing.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
>
>
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie --> ht= --> h
- List Contribution Web Site
-http://www.matronic==================
=
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
01/31/17
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "M W Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
Hi Chris,
Glad I ducked!...... anyway, thanks for getting back to me at least.
I also agree that it is a bit of a waste that you can't archive or
search things on facebook.
Apart from the generally helpful people on this list, being able to
check the archives is, and always has been one of the things I liked
about the Matronics list.
I must admit that at first I was against the Facebook site, but now I
think that using both sites is a good idea, so that's what I will do for
the time being.
As I said in my last post, you have a great site yourself, keep up the
good work.
Cheers
Mark
From: Chris Tracy
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
Hey Mark,
You don't see anything because nothing is there. I personally hate
Facebook. I think it is sad that the pietenpol traffic has gone there
because you can't archive or search or even follow what is going on. It
is sad that lots of good valuable stuff gets lost.
Personally, I would have been lost without the search function on this
list.
Chris
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:50 AM, M W Stanley
wrote:
Hi Chris,
I have not had any problems accessing the site on the web (great site
by the
way!), but when I go to it on, (I'll duck when I say this....)
Facebook....I
can only see the West Coast Piet logo, your 'friends' list (I'm also
on your
'friends' list) and a post that I sent to you back in December 2016.
I'm just wondering if other people can see more on the FB page or if
it is a
problem on my end.
Thanks and keep up the great job!!
Cheers
Mark Stanley
Japan
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From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:58 PM
To:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
>
> Phew, I'm glad it is working again. Not sure what was happening.
> Typically it only gets screwed up when try to fix things but this
time I
> did nothing.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stiffeners and cross struts |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks for the help. I look at builder photos whenever possible, but I can't determine
specific measurements from them, and I want to make sure before I start
constructing everything top based on the 15" point.
John
--------
John
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465639#465639
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| From: | "CatDesigns" <CatDesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
Mark
It did sound a bit harsh. Sorry about that.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of M W
Stanley
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
Hi Chris,
Glad I ducked!...... anyway, thanks for getting back to me at least.
I also agree that it is a bit of a waste that you can't archive or
search things on facebook.
Apart from the generally helpful people on this list, being able to
check the archives is, and always has been one of the things I liked
about the Matronics list.
I must admit that at first I was against the Facebook site, but now I
think that using both sites is a good idea, so that's what I will do for
the time being.
As I said in my last post, you have a great site yourself, keep up the
good work.
Cheers
Mark
From: Chris Tracy <mailto:catdesigns(at)att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
Hey Mark,
You don't see anything because nothing is there. I personally hate
Facebook. I think it is sad that the pietenpol traffic has gone there
because you can't archive or search or even follow what is going on. It
is sad that lots of good valuable stuff gets lost.
Personally, I would have been lost without the search function on this
list.
Chris
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:50 AM, M W Stanley
> wrote:
>
Hi Chris,
I have not had any problems accessing the site on the web (great site by
the
way!), but when I go to it on, (I'll duck when I say this....)
Facebook....I
can only see the West Coast Piet logo, your 'friends' list (I'm also on
your
'friends' list) and a post that I sent to you back in December 2016.
I'm just wondering if other people can see more on the FB page or if it
is a
problem on my end.
Thanks and keep up the great job!!
Cheers
Mark Stanley
Japan
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From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net <javascript:return> >
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
>
>
> Phew, I'm glad it is working again. Not sure what was happening.
> Typically it only gets screwed up when try to fix things but this time
I
> did nothing.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie --> ht=
<http://forums.matronics.com> --> h
- List Contribution Web Site
-http://www.matronic==================
=
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| From: | "M W Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet |
Chris,
Thanks for that comment, I appreciate it.
I will have to put the odd picture and updates on this list again. My
project is still alive, but life gets in the way allot so progress is
sloooooow.
Anyway, I hope we can ALL continue to help each other out when we need
it.
Cheers
Mark Stanley
Japan
From: CatDesigns
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
Mark
It did sound a bit harsh. Sorry about that.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of M W
Stanley
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
Hi Chris,
Glad I ducked!...... anyway, thanks for getting back to me at least.
I also agree that it is a bit of a waste that you can't archive or
search things on facebook.
Apart from the generally helpful people on this list, being able to
check the archives is, and always has been one of the things I liked
about the Matronics list.
I must admit that at first I was against the Facebook site, but now I
think that using both sites is a good idea, so that's what I will do for
the time being.
As I said in my last post, you have a great site yourself, keep up the
good work.
Cheers
Mark
From: Chris Tracy
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
Hey Mark,
You don't see anything because nothing is there. I personally hate
Facebook. I think it is sad that the pietenpol traffic has gone there
because you can't archive or search or even follow what is going on. It
is sad that lots of good valuable stuff gets lost.
Personally, I would have been lost without the search function on this
list.
Chris
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:50 AM, M W Stanley
wrote:
Hi Chris,
I have not had any problems accessing the site on the web (great site
by the
way!), but when I go to it on, (I'll duck when I say this....)
Facebook....I
can only see the West Coast Piet logo, your 'friends' list (I'm also
on your
'friends' list) and a post that I sent to you back in December 2016.
I'm just wondering if other people can see more on the FB page or if
it is a
problem on my end.
Thanks and keep up the great job!!
Cheers
Mark Stanley
Japan
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:58 PM
To:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast Piet
>
> Phew, I'm glad it is working again. Not sure what was happening.
> Typically it only gets screwed up when try to fix things but this
time I
> did nothing.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465594#465594
>
>
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie --> ht= --> h -
List Contribution Web Site
-http://www.matronic==================
=
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| From: | "M W Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
| Subject: | Great video with N444MH |
Hi All,
Here is a link to a great video with N444MH as the star.
The filming is very well done as really fires up the 'I want to get
building' feeling.
Once the link opens, if you see a blank space below the heading, just
wait a bit and a video will appear in short order. When it does, hit the
go button and enjoy!
http://jalopnik.com/what-its-like-to-fly-a-garage-built-airplane-designed
-i-1791850309
Cheers
Mark Stanley
Japan
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| From: | "M W Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
| Subject: | Great Video of N444MH - diffrent link |
Hi again,
If the previous video link doesn=1B$B!G=1B(Bt work, here is the You tube
one......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmG9CUP-PA4
Mark Stanley
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| Subject: | Re: Great video with N444MH |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Howard Henderson's old airplane. It was bought by a gent in TX and was based out
of Rockport, TX, which was only about 140 miles as the Piet flies from where
my hangar was in San Antonio but I never got over there to meet him or see the
airplane. He also had a Cassutt and was building another one, if I recall
correctly. Talk about night and day difference! The only similarity between
a Cassutt and a Piet is that both have a tailwheel ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Great video with N444MH |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Did a little homework and found the previous owner's name... Ron Hollman. Also
found the name of the person who apparently now has the airplane and has applied
for registration for it: Joshua Bixler from Homeworth, Ohio (Alliance area).
Anybody know Joshua?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
...rigged a WW2 gosport "quick connect" panel into the GN-1. Best part...no static
and no batteries to deal with whilst carrying on a conversation w/pax up front
:-)
https://youtu.be/GdAE5AuYB2A
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KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
Slick 4330's
AN Hardware
Airframe 778TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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| Subject: | Re: gosport system |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Okay, so how about more details? The flying helmets have zippers in the sides
for the earpieces, but did you get them that way or have zippers sewn in? And
that mouthpiece looks a lot like the business end of a "Jill's John" inflight
relief apparatus for female pilots. What is it?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: gosport system |
Old practical joke i can't quite remember, involved getting a newbie to use
the piss tube as a Gosport or the other way around.
On Feb 4, 2017 2:58 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Okay, so how about more details? The flying helmets have zippers in the
> sides for the earpieces, but did you get them that way or have zippers sewn
> in? And that mouthpiece looks a lot like the business end of a "Jill's
> John" inflight relief apparatus for female pilots. What is it?
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465759#465759
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gosport system |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
..precisely. You can connect it to a bottle strapped to the front and use it as
a pisser when alone, then use it as a speaking tube to a passenger on the flight
thereafter :-)
--------
KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
Slick 4330's
AN Hardware
Airframe 778TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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| From: | "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons(at)gmail.com> |
Hello, I'm new to the site, I'm not building yet just researching to best way to
get started. I wouldn't mind buying a started project. If anybody knows of one
for sale I would appreciate the information it.
Thanks, Brent
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| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
I recommend that you start from scratch unless you are in a BIG hurry to
get in the air. If you buy an already started project you will probably
spend a lot of time saying "If I had done this, I would have done it
differently." My two cents. Chuck
On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Brent Wilson wrote:
> >
>
> Hello, I'm new to the site, I'm not building yet just researching to best
> way to get started. I wouldn't mind buying a started project. If anybody
> knows of one for sale I would appreciate the information it.
> Thanks, Brent
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465966#465966
>
>
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| From: | "bdewenter" <anonymouse(at)woh.rr.com> |
Brent Wilson wrote:
> Hello, I'm new to the site, I'm not building yet just researching to best way
to get started. I wouldn't mind buying a started project. If anybody knows of
one for sale I would appreciate the information on it.
> Thanks, Brent
I will sell you mine for "1 million dollars..."
--------
Bob 'Early Builder' Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Some info at these sites to help get you started:
http://community.pressenter.net/~apietenp/
http://files.meetup.com/12626532/pietenpol_JJ.pdf
https://www.facebook.com/PietenpolAirCamper/
http://westcoastpiet.com/index.htm
https://flycorvair.net
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John
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| From: | Andy Hoots <eflyerc5(at)yahoo.com> |
Brent,
Although I love working on my project that I bought more than 50% complete, I'll
echo what Chuck said. The build quality of the completed parts on my Piet is
very good, but I have spent a lot of time scratching my head and wondering why
some corners were cut and then getting everything the way I want it. So, if
you decide on a project, look very closely at build quality and decide if you
can live with, or fix those things that aren't to your liking. I'm sure that
in the end us project rescue guys will save some money and maybe get in the air
quicker, but there will never be that full satisfaction of building the whole
plane. I kind of look at it as continuing someone else's dream while mostly
realizing my own at the same time.
Welcome to the group. It, along with the westcoastpiet.com website are the best
resources you will find to aid you in your build.
Andy Hoots
O'Fallon, IL
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 10, 2017, at 06:38, Brent Wilson wrote:
>
>
> Hello, I'm new to the site, I'm not building yet just researching to best way
to get started. I wouldn't mind buying a started project. If anybody knows of
one for sale I would appreciate the information it.
> Thanks, Brent
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=465966#465966
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks guys,
I appreciate all the advice and information. It's great to have a place to go to
get some feel for how all this stuff works. It will be a great experience either
way it ends up that's for sure. Always open to any guidance I can get so
keep it coming.
Thanks,
Brent
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Brent; a couple of things. First, if you will include your location with your introductory
post, it will help us help you. If there are other builders or pilots
near you, it is not uncommon to get invitations to come out and look at other
projects or to get a ride. It will also help direct inquiries, because if
you're in Connecticut and someone in Nevada has a project that they might want
to sell, just the logistics of you getting over there to see the project and
then getting it back across the country would make it an unlikely match. Where
are you located?
Next, if you're patient, your chances of finding something will improve greatly.
In the Piet world, patience is a virtue and a byword. Consider the proverb
that "The Piet is slow, but the sky is patient" ;o) I was on this list for maybe
a year when all of a sudden my airplane came up for sale, complete and flying.
I've seen many nice projects come available in the years since then...
everything from bare fuselages all the way to ready-to-fly. The saddest ones
are when people are forced to sell due to changes in life situations, but in those
cases everyone benefits when a willing buyer connects with a needy seller.
If you have time to look around, wait around, and follow the posts here, your
chances of finding something will improve.
Lastly, I will echo the comment made by many, that if you pick up somebody else's
partially-completed project, a lot of things will be locked in and you'll just
have to take what you've got. As you pick up where the earlier builder left
off, you will undoubtedly find things that you might have done differently
or even think about tearing out and starting over. It's all about choices but
my suggestion is to just finish what you get and then go fly it. Along this
line, though, I'll bet there is not a single builder on this list who wouldn't
agree that building a SECOND one would go quicker than building (or finishing)
the first! You learn a lot from building an Air Camper.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | West Coast Piet Fly-in 2017 |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Has the date been set for this year's West Coast Piet event? If tradition holds,
it would be June 2-3-4... the first weekend in June. If the hosting arrangement
is the same, it would be held at Frazier Lake Airpark, 1C9. Yes-?
Looking at the 1C9 website, they have Saturday June 3 listed as an Antique Aircraft
Display Day on their event calendar.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar,
Thanks for the advice.
I live in Lander, WY. We actually have a Pietenpol here at our airport, so I do
have some exposure and possibly even some guidance just don't want to assume
that. He is a good guy and I have talked to him a little bit about getting into
building. He built from scratch to the Pietenpol plans so a lot of knowledge
to be gleaned there.
I will try and be patient while looking for the right way to get started and these
guys are right I really don't want to miss out on much of the building so
I wouldn't want a 50% done project, just more looking for a deal to get started.
My parents live in Jacksonville, OR. So next time I get out there I would love
to meet you and talk Piets. Maybe I will have a project by then.
Thanks for the info and encouragement.
Brent
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Brent; now you're talking! Please do let me know when you're back out here to
visit your parents and we can run over to my hangar and talk Piets. Do you have
a tailwheel endorsement or any time in taildraggers?
It might be possible to take a tour of the Rogue Valley from the air if the weather
cooperates when you're out this way.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | the Air Camper as a training aircraft |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Just reading a recent issue of AOPA Pilot with a great article about the C-130
Hercules by Barry Schiff. For those who are not AOPA members or who may not be
familiar with Schiff, he has been a contributor to the magazine for many years,
has logged over 28,000 hours in more than 355 types of aircraft, has earned
every FAA category and class rating except airship, and holds every possible
instructor's rating.
So what does Schiff say makes the best type of aircraft to learn to fly in? A
taildragger with minimal instrumentation. If this sounds like the Air Camper,
then you're in the right place ;o) Yes, there are a few drawbacks to taking
flight instruction in this airplane, such as the difficulty in communicating between
the two cockpits and the lack of complete dual controls and instrumentation
in most Piets. Still, a front-cockpit flight in a Piet is not a bad way
to get introduced to flying and if the love of flight and a connection to the
airplane is there, graduating to the rear cockpit is a worthy goal and anyone
with the love of flight will dream of the day that they can take the controls
in the rear cockpit where the instruments are, where the pilot sits. I know I
sure did.
I was 54 years old when I took my first flight and instruction in a Piet and I
was at the front cockpit controls. No instruments up there... just throttle,
stick, and rudder pedals. I learned to fly the airplane by sound and feel from
the front before I was allowed to graduate to the back, because my instructor
wanted me to understand the airplane, get to know how things looked out the
front, back, and sides in all flight regimes, and connect all of the necessary
elements and sensations of flight in the Air Camper without the distraction of
the gauges. He had the brakes, fuel shutoff, and carb heat control in the back
but I had to call out their usage when they were needed. Now I fly the airplane
almost without thinking and I can usually tell when something's not quite
right without checking the instruments. I especially enjoy pasture flying
by the seat of my pants, where it's just me and the airplane. Radio off, no place
to be any certain time, fuel in the tank, and just flying the airplane.
It's times like those when I feel like I can extract the most performance out
of both myself and the airplane. The shortest landings, best control coordination,
smoothest rollouts, most confidence, and overall best feeling about flying
without the airplane or the flight conditions getting ahead of me even a tiny
bit. You could say that at those times I feel like a 60-something Top Gun,
and it's a great feeling. I'm not saying you can't experience the same thing
in a DA-20 Katana with Garmin G500 glass panel, but it's a different experience
learning in one of those as opposed to learning with the smell of a grass airstrip
swirling around you in the cockpit. Different experiences, yes.
Now if there weren't so many roadblocks hindering us from taking would-be pilots
flying, and I'm not just talking about youngsters! I'm soon going to turn 66
and when I roll my Piet out of the hangar, even if it's just to exercise the
engine and warm up the oil, I feel alive and excited and like a pilot again.
If I'm going flying, then I really get alert and tuned up, wondering what I've
forgotten, mentally going through my plans for the flight, making sure I've
gotten the AWOS and ATIS and listening for NOTAMS with the radio echoing inside
the hangar as I conduct the preflight, checking everything twice.
The preflight jitters all melt away as I taxi out and once the mains leave the
runway and I'm in the air. This is why we fly Air Campers, and I'm with Barry
Schiff: this sure is a good way to learn how to appreciate flight. I can become
proficient with the Garmin G1000 system sitting at the simulator in the FBO
while the field is IFR and it's cold and raining outside, but I can't learn
how to fly sitting there. The days are starting to get a little warmer and I'm
thinking more and more about the smell of avgas and the hangar and a grass strip
in the sunshine. Can you tell? ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar,
I will definitely let you know when I head that way.
I do not have a tail wheel endorsement, but we have an instructor here in Lander
so I'm hoping to start working on that this summer. Sounds like I will have
plenty of time to work on that looking at some of the build times for a Piet!
Thanks for your help.
Brent
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| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Brent,
Welcome. I'm a fan of buying a project, or better, a derelict aircraft. But with
this caveat. Just assume you are going to rebuild the fuse, respar the wings,
and change the engine. Look for projects that come with materials, turnbuckles,
hardware, etc. The derelict aircraft has dozens of fittings that aren't
welded or anything. Not much satisfaction in building them, no risk in reusing.
Food for thought. Enjoy the ride!
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
I don't think that the EAA will shoot me for sharing this, but I have attached
a copy of an article written last year about a Flying Club built around a Pietenpol.
Apparently it makes a very good basic trainer.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/article_19872_187.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft |
| From: | "JSeitz" <Joachimkarlseitz(at)gmail.com> |
A large part of what I plan to do with mine once completed is to Teach the economically
challenged, youth, and veterans. I think as pilots, the greatest gift
we have is to share the joy of flight, and if it gets more people interested
in vintage aircraft and home building, all the better. I am putting an altimeter,
airspeed indicator, and compass in my front pit, as well as an intercom and
modified Chinese flying helmets and throat microphones for communications. And
before any reg-nazis start freaking out, I will at most ask for half of the
operating cost for the aircraft, if that. If it hadn't been for generous people
in my youth, I wouldn't be where I am now, so I figure if I can pass it on,
I should.
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| From: | Claude Corbett <isablcorky(at)aol.com> |
Pieter, I need a little help. Lost my source for wheels, brakes and master cylinders.
Am leaning toward motorcycle wheels and brakes. Would like your thoughts and suggestions
please. Although I'm not ready for them yet I like to accumulate my
parts in advance.
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft |
| From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
Flight Instruction in an Experimental Amateur-Built Aircraft (http://forums.matronics.com/posting.php?mode=reply&t=16765725&sid=a767ec6ad0d7b23ee954fc2d5ff0e690)
WF2
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| Subject: | Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
It appears that the link you have for flight instruction in an EA be aircraft is
a dead link or it's linked to something other than what you want.
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Tom Kreiner
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| From: | "Vincent Dunn" <vincentkdunn(at)yahoo.com> |
Brent,
Welcome! I'm a new builder too. I recommend Tony Bingelis' advise to build a mockup
fuselage (or any other part) before you build the 'flying' parts. I built
a mockup fuse over a couple of weekends and it has been a great help to me in
understand how the thing goes together, what to avoid next time, and filling
in the many details omitted from the plans. I'm modifying the long-Corvair fuselage
for just one person so I've worked out many changes on the mockup. Also,
landing gear design and placement and fuel tank design and placement are important
elements that aren't well described in the various plans. Good luck,
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Vincent Dunn
Salem Oregon
vincentkdunn(at)yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Tom,
The links appear to be fixed.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Rick <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Corky,
For my wheels I used rims off the rear wheels of a 650 Yamaha. The hubs were made by me from plans that have been around for awhile. Chris Tracy's website has a lot of info on the wheels and how the hubs can be made. Here is a link. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/wire_wheels.htm
I used Buchanans in California for my custom spokes.
Rick Schrieber
NX478RS
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Claude Corbett wrote:
>
>
> Pieter, I need a little help. Lost my source for wheels, brakes and master cylinders.
> Am leaning toward motorcycle wheels and brakes. Would like your thoughts and
suggestions please. Although I'm not ready for them yet I like to accumulate my
parts in advance.
> Corky
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft |
| From: | "JSeitz" <Joachimkarlseitz(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for updating the links. The only problem I foresee is finding a DPE who
is willing to give the checkride. The aircraft is not being rented out as there
is no compensation for use, and I would not be charging for the instruction.
I fail to see any issues here legally speaking.
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| Subject: | Re: West Coast Piet Fly-in 2017 |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Oscar,
That's the weekend I'm planning on. Haven't heard otherwise.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| From: | "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons(at)gmail.com> |
Vincent,
Great idea. Especially for those of us who haven't even tried any of this before.
Thanks for chiming in I appreciate it.
Brent
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| Subject: | Front seat attach point |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello,
I'm trying to understand the back part of the front seat bottom. Where is the passenger
weight going (besides that front support)? Where and how is the back
of the seat attached? It appears it's going to be against the cross piece on the
seat back. Is the seat just glued to that? Looking at photos on the web don't
help.
Thank you,
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John
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | Peter Johnson <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
John,
Not the best pictures but this may give you an idea.
http://cdn.cpc-world.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/IMG_0395_JPG-3.jpg
or
http://cdn.cpc-world.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/IMG_0384_JPG-3.jpg
or
http://cdn.cpc-world.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/IMG_0386_JPG-3.jpg
I installed some additional uprights on top of the cross braces. They provide support
for the rear of the seat, a bit like chair legs.
More pictures available at http://www.cpc-world.com.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
On 15/2/17, 12:46 pm, "Pocono John" wrote:
Hello,
I'm trying to understand the back part of the front seat bottom. Where is the
passenger weight going (besides that front support)? Where and how is the back
of the seat attached? It appears it's going to be against the cross piece
on the seat back. Is the seat just glued to that? Looking at photos on the web
don't help.
Thank you,
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John
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| Subject: | Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Whatever the case as far as formalities and logbook entries for the purpose on
working on a rating, I would consider stick time in an Air Camper to be both valuable
and pleasurable to anyone who is learning to fly or looking to improve
their stick and rudder skills. The fact that flight time in a Piet is very,
very inexpensive makes it all the more fun. When I flip on the master switch
on a $120/hr certified rental airplane, every minute that the gyros are whirring
I can feel two bucks leaving my pocket. Those same two bucks can buy me enough
avgas to fly a touch-and-go in the Piet. I can go out and put 2.0 hr in
the logbook in the Piet and burn less than $40 on gas and oil for a very nice
afternoon flight but I will burn that in rental cost just with ground operations
in the certified rental aircraft. Just sayin'.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons(at)gmail.com> |
Ok, I'm new so I have a lot of questions. I've noticed when a newbie asks a question
somebody answers it then politely suggests you could have looked in the
archives and got the answers. So how do you get to the archives and search for
a previously asked questions?
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Very good idea, indeed. You can get your staple gun and a squeeze bottle of yellow
carpenter's glue to build your mockup so you don't have to fuss with mixing
structural epoxy and all of that. Of course you can use whatever wood is handy
and available, and if you mess anything up, you aren't shedding big tears
over ruining a beautiful piece of Sitka spruce. In fact, if you split something
while bending it, or if there's a knot that you don't want to bother taking
out, you can just scab on a plywood gusset over it and keep going.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
John; when I had to rebuild the front seat in 41CC, I added vertical sticks to
support the aft ends of the seat side rails. It's not fancy, but I just felt
like with passengers stepping into the front cockpit and standing on the seat,
it needed vertical support. Some pictures here (but Peter's are WAAYY nicer!):
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/seat.html
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Brent: go here-
http://www.matronics.com/search/
Start by selecting the Pietenpol list, then enter your search word(s) and any other
criteria, and there you go. For example, I just searched on the word 'mockup'
and got 154 messages in 1 second of searching.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Oscar,
I'm sure glad you check on my posts every so often. I will give it a shot.
Brent
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| Subject: | Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft |
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | "Speedbrake" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
A couple more pictures for you John.
"Pass Seat" photo: the rear of the seat is on the left. Note how there is a wood
support piece across the seat back from the left side of the plane to the right.
At the ends of this piece are two vertical pieces that stand on top of the
white ash cross member. Also note how the seat bottom side rails also rest on
these two vertical pieces. The front area of the seat structure is also made
in this same type of fashion.
"Pass Seat2" photo: the rear of the seat is on the right. This is an over view
of the finished product with added center support and gussets, but you can see
from another angle how the seat structure was assembled.
My seat top plywood is 1/4" thick and screws onto the structure. This will also
add some strength to the entire assembly.
For future reference; I added a plywood stiffener under the rudder pivot support
bracket shown in "Pass Seat2".
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Mike Perez
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| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
Mike as always great help and beautiful work! Are those heal brakes? Could you
share any other detail?
Thanks!
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 15, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Speedbrake wrote:
>
>
> A couple more pictures for you John.
>
> "Pass Seat" photo: the rear of the seat is on the left. Note how there is a wood
support piece across the seat back from the left side of the plane to the
right. At the ends of this piece are two vertical pieces that stand on top of
the white ash cross member. Also note how the seat bottom side rails also rest
on these two vertical pieces. The front area of the seat structure is also made
in this same type of fashion.
>
> "Pass Seat2" photo: the rear of the seat is on the right. This is an over view
of the finished product with added center support and gussets, but you can see
from another angle how the seat structure was assembled.
>
> My seat top plywood is 1/4" thick and screws onto the structure. This will also
add some strength to the entire assembly.
>
> For future reference; I added a plywood stiffener under the rudder pivot support
bracket shown in "Pass Seat2".
>
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> Mike Perez
>
>
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| From: | "Speedbrake" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Jack, this is in response to your question from the "Front Seat Attach..." post.
(Thank you for the kind words; by the way.)
Yes, the items in question are heel "brakes". I say "brakes" because these are
not intended to be brakes as in to hold the plane during run up or to stop short
on a runway. This setup is to merely apply friction to the wheels in hopes
of preventing a downhill run into another plane or into a fueling area.
Pictures 1 and 2 demonstrate the break down of the pedals. Note the right side
wood block is contoured to give clearance to the inside radius of the 1/2" S.S.
tube. The blocks are NOT drilled through so that the 1/4" S.S. pivot tube is
free to rotate. The 1/2" tube is also free to rotate on the 1/4" pivot.
Pictures 3 and 4 show detail of the cable assembly at the pedals. I flared the
S.S. tube and added a washer to prevent the black cable sheath from moving under
the clamp when applying the brakes. Not shown is the other end of this flared
tube. ( But I do have a picture.) It is rolled inward to prevent the black
sheath from pushing out. The wood "U" shaped gusset it epoxied around the clamp
to prevent it from rotating around its mounting bolt.
Pictures 5 and 6 show the completed assembly with epoxied "T" nuts and the under
belly fabric stringers.
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Mike Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | "Speedbrake" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Jack, see "Heel "Brakes"" post.
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Mike Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Gentlementhank you for all the photos and your stories/explanations. I'll incorporate
those ideas into the construction.
Thank you!
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John
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| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heel "Brakes" |
Excellent Mike thank you!
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 15, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Speedbrake wrote:
>
>
> Jack, this is in response to your question from the "Front Seat Attach..." post.
> (Thank you for the kind words; by the way.)
>
> Yes, the items in question are heel "brakes". I say "brakes" because these are
not intended to be brakes as in to hold the plane during run up or to stop short
on a runway. This setup is to merely apply friction to the wheels in hopes
of preventing a downhill run into another plane or into a fueling area.
>
> Pictures 1 and 2 demonstrate the break down of the pedals. Note the right side
wood block is contoured to give clearance to the inside radius of the 1/2" S.S.
tube. The blocks are NOT drilled through so that the 1/4" S.S. pivot tube
is free to rotate. The 1/2" tube is also free to rotate on the 1/4" pivot.
>
> Pictures 3 and 4 show detail of the cable assembly at the pedals. I flared the
S.S. tube and added a washer to prevent the black cable sheath from moving under
the clamp when applying the brakes. Not shown is the other end of this flared
tube. ( But I do have a picture.) It is rolled inward to prevent the black
sheath from pushing out. The wood "U" shaped gusset it epoxied around the clamp
to prevent it from rotating around its mounting bolt.
>
> Pictures 5 and 6 show the completed assembly with epoxied "T" nuts and the under
belly fabric stringers.
>
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> Mike Perez
>
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com> |
Mike,
Looks like you are using the front of the seat for a rudder stop? Would you happen
to have the distance from your alum. stop to the center of rudder bar? Assuming
this gives the correct rudder throw?
Thanks Rob
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| From: | "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
My mock fuselage made out of Home Depot fir and gorilla glue. Was a great help.
Ended up widening my cockpit two inches, leaning the rear seat back a bit , raised
the instrument boards, and a couple other small changes. Also since I had
never built a wood aircraft before it helped me figure out the best way to cut
the longerons and gussets and fit things together generally before I started
cutting that expensive spruce.
Rick H
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Rick Holland
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | "Speedbrake" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Rob, I don't know that dimension off hand, but I can tell you a little about my
process. In a nutshell, I adjusted my rudder cable lengths, rudder bar placement
and integrated rudder bar stops/seat supports to fit me comfortably; while
considering seat cushions used and rudder travel. Of course all this was done
with the tail completely assembled and some trial/error.
Those vertical seat supports that the rudder bar stops attach to could have been
made wider, (as viewed along the roll axis) to stop the rudder travel "sooner"
or to accommodate a rudder bar mounted closer to the seat. (Shorter person.)
With the rudder bar/pedals against the aluminum stops, the rudder physically
stops about an inch away from the elevators.
If needed, I can get you that "stop to bar center" measurement.
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Mike Perez
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
Mike Perez,
I kind of like those scalloped trailing edges Mike. A distinction that I have never
seen.
Dan Helsper
Loensloe Airfield
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | "Speedbrake" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Thank you Dan. The look is something I have always enjoyed and one of the first
mods. I wanted to try on the plane. I thought perhaps the covering and tape would
be an issue, but it went very "smoothly"...as it were.
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Mike,
I had not seen an update in a while, so I was wondering, what is the status of
your Phase One flight test period? How does your Pietenpol fly?
Enquiring minds want to know!
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | "Speedbrake" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Ah yes...flying. I can't seem to pull enough time and money together when I need
to, so flight training and first flight has not happened. With the peeps nearing
the end of school and one leaving the house, we figured it best to spend
said time/money taking family vacations/spending time together. Frustrating...you
bet, but the right choice.
All in due time...
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Mike Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | "Pietflyer1977" <rob(at)stoinoff.com> |
Mike,
Thanks for the info. Your process was pretty much what I was thinking of doing.
Your pictures made me think I could get there a little quicker if you had a measurement.
But after I posted the question also thought that everybody's is enough
different that I'll have to make mine work for me. Your airplane looks great.
I hope you get to enjoy flying it soon!
Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
As I recall, I constructed a new set of rudder bar stops under the front seat when
I rebuilt it and the thing I checked was that the rudder would not contact
the elevator at full deflection to either side. Without stops of some sort,
either the rudder would contact the elevator somewhere along the travel, or the
rudder bar would contact the front seat support. Mike has used that to advantage
by designing the seat supports to be the rudder bar stops, while my stops
are actually glued-in wood pieces that transfer the forward push of the rudder
bar to the ash crosspiece on the floor.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | O.T For Sale: X52 Pro H.O.T.A.S. |
| From: | "Speedbrake" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
For any virtual pilots among us:
I am selling my Saitek X52 Pro HOTAS. This system is in like new condition and
fully functioning. Wood pedestal in pictures in not included, but I can custom
make one for the buyer if needed. Latest software available for free download
at the Saitek website.
Shipping to contiguous 48 states only.
Contact me off line if interested.
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Mike Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Pocono John wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to understand the back part of the front seat bottom. Where is the
passenger weight going (besides that front support)? Where and how is the back
of the seat attached? It appears it's going to be against the cross piece on
the seat back. Is the seat just glued to that? Looking at photos on the web don't
help.
>
> Thank you,
John - here is a picture of mine notice I added extra supports up from the bottom
of the seat back (also shows how I attached my seat belts).
Rick H
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Rick Holland
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: Front seat attach point |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Thank you Rick!
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John
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| From: | Andy Hoots <eflyerc5(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Corvair Core Available |
Hi all,
A good friend of mine who is an A&P has an A-65 that he will rebuild for me/ with
me for a reasonable price so I have decided to sell my Corvair core. The Corvair
engine is a 1965 model and is totally disassembled a mostly cleaned. The
cylinders have been bored and it comes with new .20 Sealed Power pistons and
rings. The bell housing has been cut out and all parts are there including 2
distributors. I live near St Louis, MO if anyone local is interested. If I am
able to go to Brodhead this summer, I can bring it with. Let me know if anyone
is interested.
Thanks,
Andy Hoots
Finishing Long Fuselage Pietenpol
O'Fallon, IL
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | "Mike McGowan" <shadetree(at)socket.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Core Available |
Hi Andy I live in Columbia MO so I am close. Could you please send some
pictures and how much do you want for it? Mike McGowan 573-228-5400
shadetree(at)socket.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Hoots
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Core Available
Hi all,
A good friend of mine who is an A&P has an A-65 that he will rebuild for me/
with me for a reasonable price so I have decided to sell my Corvair core.
The Corvair engine is a 1965 model and is totally disassembled a mostly
cleaned. The cylinders have been bored and it comes with new .20 Sealed
Power pistons and rings. The bell housing has been cut out and all parts are
there including 2 distributors. I live near St Louis, MO if anyone local is
interested. If I am able to go to Brodhead this summer, I can bring it with.
Let me know if anyone is interested.
Thanks,
Andy Hoots
Finishing Long Fuselage Pietenpol
O'Fallon, IL
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| From: | Andy Hoots <eflyerc5(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Corvair Core Available |
Mike,
Attached are pics of the engine. I would like $500 for everything, which I t
hink is a pretty good deal. Let me know if you are interested. My number is 6
18-402-6926.
Andy
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 21:01, Mike McGowan wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Andy I live in Columbia MO so I am close. Could you please send some pi
ctures and how much do you want for it? Mike McGowan 573-228-5400 shadetree@
socket.net
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Andy Hoots
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:46 PM
> To: Pietenpol List
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Core Available
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> A good friend of mine who is an A&P has an A-65 that he will rebuild for m
e/ with me for a reasonable price so I have decided to sell my Corvair core.
The Corvair engine is a 1965 model and is totally disassembled a mostly cle
aned. The cylinders have been bored and it comes with new .20 Sealed Power p
istons and rings. The bell housing has been cut out and all parts are there i
ncluding 2 distributors. I live near St Louis, MO if anyone local is interes
ted. If I am able to go to Brodhead this summer, I can bring it with. Let me
know if anyone is interested.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy Hoots
> Finishing Long Fuselage Pietenpol
> O'Fallon, IL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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| Subject: | Vert and horizontal stab on long fuse |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello,
The vertical stabilizer is 18" long and I'm wondering how that'll work out on the
long fuselage which shows 18 7/8" from the back of the tail post to the turtle
deck stringers.
Did you make the vertical/horizontal stabilizer 18 7/8"? Did you extend the turtle
deck stringers to meet the stabilizer? Something else?
Also, as I'm working on (top) gussets, it appears I place the rear ones to match
up where the screws go into the longhorns. Is that correct?
I appreciate your help, comments and suggestions as I finally get this project
moving along. If you click the "WWW" box here, you'll see my progress.
John
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John
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| From: | "pweeden" <pweeden(at)weedengraphics.com> |
Hi All,
Picking up the discussion here about this list versus the Facebook group...
A group of us at Brodhead Airport have agreed to take over responsibility of the
Brodhead Pietenpol Association, beginning this week. As part of that handover,
we are creating a new BPA website and I would like to know people's thoughts
on having a Builder's Forum there. It would be an updated version of this list's
software and I have asked permission from Matronics to use the entirety of
this list's content in an archive on our site, so it is searchable.
You can check it out here:
http://www.pietenpols.org
...Click on Builder's Forum.
Pat Weeden
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466472#466472
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
Hey Pat,
I am all for it. Im not anti-FB, but I its not my first choice for this type of
activity.
Thank you for taking the lead on this and thanks for asking,
Jeff
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Core Director & Research Biologist
Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
-----Original Message-----
From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of pweeden <pweeden(at)weedengraphics.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
Hi All,
Picking up the discussion here about this list versus the Facebook group...
A group of us at Brodhead Airport have agreed to take over responsibility of
the Brodhead Pietenpol Association, beginning this week. As part of that handover,
we are creating a new BPA website and I would like to know people's thoughts
on having a Builder's Forum there. It would be an updated version of this
list's software and I have asked permission from Matronics to use the entirety
of this list's content in an archive on our site, so it is searchable.
You can check it out here:
http://www.pietenpols.org
...Click on Builder's Forum.
Pat Weeden
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| From: | Matt Paxton <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
Pat, I think it's a great idea. What's important is making the website a real resource
for builders.
Matt Paxton
NX629MLOn Feb 21, 2017 7:57 PM, pweeden wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Picking up the discussion here about this list versus the Facebook group...
>
> A group of us at Brodhead Airport have agreed to take over responsibility of
the Brodhead Pietenpol Association, beginning this week. As part of that handover,
we are creating a new BPA website and I would like to know people's thoughts
on having a Builder's Forum there. It would be an updated version of this
list's software and I have asked permission from Matronics to use the entirety
of this list's content in an archive on our site, so it is searchable.
>
> You can check it out here:
> http://www.pietenpols.org
> ...Click on Builder's Forum.
>
> Pat Weeden
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466472#466472
>
>
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| From: | Peter Johnson <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
Hi Guys,
Is Matt closing the Piet List?
Cheers
Peter
On 22/2/17, 12:34 pm, "Boatright, Jeffrey" wrote:
Hey Pat,
I am all for it. Im not anti-FB, but I its not my first choice for this type
of activity.
Thank you for taking the lead on this and thanks for asking,
Jeff
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Core Director & Research Biologist
Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
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From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of pweeden <pweeden(at)weedengraphics.com>
Reply-To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:57 PM
To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
Hi All,
Picking up the discussion here about this list versus the Facebook group...
A group of us at Brodhead Airport have agreed to take over responsibility
of the Brodhead Pietenpol Association, beginning this week. As part of that
handover, we are creating a new BPA website and I would like to know people's
thoughts on having a Builder's Forum there. It would be an updated version of
this list's software and I have asked permission from Matronics to use the entirety
of this list's content in an archive on our site, so it is searchable.
You can check it out here:
http://www.pietenpols.org
...Click on Builder's Forum.
Pat Weeden
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Can we get a prod on discussions? I learned a lot of things from the
Matronics list just by lurking.
On Feb 21, 2017 8:27 PM, "Peter Johnson" wrote:
u
> >
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Is Matt closing the Piet List?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 22/2/17, 12:34 pm, "Boatright, Jeffrey" matronics.com on behalf of jboatri(at)emory.edu> wrote:
>
> jboatri(at)emory.edu>
>
> Hey Pat,
>
> I am all for it. I=99m not anti-FB, but I it=99s not my f
irst choice for
> this type of activity.
>
> Thank you for taking the lead on this and thanks for asking,
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Core Director & Research Biologist
> Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of
> pweeden
> Reply-To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" >
> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:57 PM
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
>
> pweeden(at)weedengraphics.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Picking up the discussion here about this list versus the Faceboo
k
> group...
>
> A group of us at Brodhead Airport have agreed to take over
> responsibility of the Brodhead Pietenpol Association, beginning this week
.
> As part of that handover, we are creating a new BPA website and I would
> like to know people's thoughts on having a Builder's Forum there. It woul
d
> be an updated version of this list's software and I have asked permission
> from Matronics to use the entirety of this list's content in an archive o
n
> our site, so it is searchable.
>
> You can check it out here:
> http://www.pietenpols.org
> ...Click on Builder's Forum.
>
> Pat Weeden
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466472#466472
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| From: | "M W Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
Hi Pat,
It sounds like a good idea to me. I am on both this and the FB Piet pages.
I say if it helps people out, then it's a good idea.
Best of luck with it!
--------------------------------------------------
From: "pweeden" <pweeden(at)weedengraphics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Picking up the discussion here about this list versus the Facebook
> group...
>
> A group of us at Brodhead Airport have agreed to take over responsibility
> of the Brodhead Pietenpol Association, beginning this week. As part of
> that handover, we are creating a new BPA website and I would like to know
> people's thoughts on having a Builder's Forum there. It would be an
> updated version of this list's software and I have asked permission from
> Matronics to use the entirety of this list's content in an archive on our
> site, so it is searchable.
>
> You can check it out here:
> http://www.pietenpols.org
> ...Click on Builder's Forum.
>
> Pat Weeden
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466472#466472
>
>
>
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douwe(at)douwestudios.com> |
| Subject: | BPA ressurection |
GREAT NEWS PAT!!
Are you planning on continuing the newsletter or is that being replaced with
the new website?
For some time I've been asking if I could help with the newsletter, or
something to get the BPA resurrected and I'm SO glad you guys have been able
to step in and help.
Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help with the newsletter,
or rounding up articles, etc for the new site and the newsletter.
I would love to see a well-done website that has a builder's section, a
section with lots of pictures of piets and flying/building stories.
Do you think there's any chance of getting permission from Grant to use some
old Buckeye Pietenpol Association content? Nobody's had luck so far, but
there's some treasures there.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: BPA ressurection |
Pat you asked for input.
I like the pretty pictures and short updates on the facebook page.
I like the in depth discussions that take place on the Matronics page.
I like the good long articles that are in the BPA newsletter.
I like the ads that are in the BPA newsletter.
I like opening our matronics emails and seeing subjects I did not ask for
that I needed to know about (is that a clumbsy sentence or what?
the search function on Matronics
I like the feel of the BPA in my hand. OK I can give that up.
Thinks I don't like
Silly fights over things that don't matter.
the shortness of facebook posts
Since you are doing the work I will let you alone.
Blue Skies,
Steve Dortch
on year 3 of a 6 month restoration of a Pietengrega.
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Douwe Blumberg
wrote:
> GREAT NEWS PAT!!
>
>
> Are you planning on continuing the newsletter or is that being replaced
> with the new website?
>
>
> For some time I=99ve been asking if I could help with the newslette
r, or
> something to get the BPA resurrected and I=99m SO glad you guys hav
e been
> able to step in and help.
>
>
> Please let me know if there=99s anything I can do to help with the
> newsletter, or rounding up articles, etc for the new site and the
> newsletter.
>
>
> I would love to see a well-done website that has a builder=99s sect
ion, a
> section with lots of pictures of piets and flying/building stories.
>
>
> Do you think there=99s any chance of getting permission from Grant
to use
> some old Buckeye Pietenpol Association content? Nobody=99s had luc
k so far,
> but there=99s some treasures there.
>
>
> Douwe
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | Brian Jardine <Brian.Jardine(at)Plexus.com> |
I support both FB and the Matronics Piet forums, I get benefits from both.
Brian
Meridian, ID
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Boatright, Jeffrey
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
-->
Hey Pat,
I am all for it. Im not anti-FB, but I its not my first choice for this type of
activity.
Thank you for taking the lead on this and thanks for asking,
Jeff
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Core Director & Research Biologist
Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
-----Original Message-----
From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of pweeden <pweeden(at)weedengraphics.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
Hi All,
Picking up the discussion here about this list versus the Facebook group...
A group of us at Brodhead Airport have agreed to take over responsibility of
the Brodhead Pietenpol Association, beginning this week. As part of that handover,
we are creating a new BPA website and I would like to know people's thoughts
on having a Builder's Forum there. It would be an updated version of this
list's software and I have asked permission from Matronics to use the entirety
of this list's content in an archive on our site, so it is searchable.
You can check it out here:
http://www.pietenpols.org
...Click on Builder's Forum.
Pat Weeden
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Perhaps any site should include prominent links to FB and matronics!
I support what y'all are trying to do.
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Brian Jardine
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> Brian.Jardine(at)plexus.com>
>
> I support both FB and the Matronics Piet forums, I get benefits from both
.
>
> Brian
> Meridian, ID
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Boatright, Jeffre
y
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 6:34 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
>
> -->
>
> Hey Pat,
>
> I am all for it. I=99m not anti-FB, but I it=99s not my first
choice for this
> type of activity.
>
> Thank you for taking the lead on this and thanks for asking,
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Core Director & Research Biologist
> Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of pweeden <
> pweeden(at)weedengraphics.com>
> Reply-To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:57 PM
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
>
> pweeden(at)weedengraphics.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Picking up the discussion here about this list versus the Facebook
> group...
>
> A group of us at Brodhead Airport have agreed to take over
> responsibility of the Brodhead Pietenpol Association, beginning this week
.
> As part of that handover, we are creating a new BPA website and I would
> like to know people's thoughts on having a Builder's Forum there. It woul
d
> be an updated version of this list's software and I have asked permission
> from Matronics to use the entirety of this list's content in an archive o
n
> our site, so it is searchable.
>
> You can check it out here:
> http://www.pietenpols.org
> ...Click on Builder's Forum.
>
> Pat Weeden
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466472#466472
>
>
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>
> This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of th
e
> intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged
> information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient,
> you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying o
f
> this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited.
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: BPA ressurection |
Steve said it beautifully and completely.
Ditto!
John Cox
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Steven Dortch
wrote:
> Pat you asked for input.
> I like the pretty pictures and short updates on the facebook page.
> I like the in depth discussions that take place on the Matronics page.
> I like the good long articles that are in the BPA newsletter.
> I like the ads that are in the BPA newsletter.
> I like opening our matronics emails and seeing subjects I did not ask for
> that I needed to know about (is that a clumbsy sentence or what?
> the search function on Matronics
> I like the feel of the BPA in my hand. OK I can give that up.
>
> Thinks I don't like
> Silly fights over things that don't matter.
> the shortness of facebook posts
>
> Since you are doing the work I will let you alone.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve Dortch
> on year 3 of a 6 month restoration of a Pietengrega.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Douwe Blumberg
> wrote:
>
>> GREAT NEWS PAT!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you planning on continuing the newsletter or is that being replaced
>> with the new website?
>>
>>
>>
>> For some time I=99ve been asking if I could help with the newslett
er, or
>> something to get the BPA resurrected and I=99m SO glad you guys ha
ve been
>> able to step in and help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let me know if there=99s anything I can do to help with the
>> newsletter, or rounding up articles, etc for the new site and the
>> newsletter.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would love to see a well-done website that has a builder=99s sec
tion, a
>> section with lots of pictures of piets and flying/building stories.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you think there=99s any chance of getting permission from Grant
to use
>> some old Buckeye Pietenpol Association content? Nobody=99s had lu
ck so far,
>> but there=99s some treasures there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "M W Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
Hi Pat,
I think Steve's idea of having prominent links to both sites is a good
idea, after all, we all like the same plane.
Both FB and Matronics have their pro's and cons, however, I think that
in this day and age, the FB page reaches allot more people around the
world, spreading the good word about Piet's, which has to be a good
thing right?
As for me, I like the idea of utilizing all of the information, pics etc
that are available on both sites.
I do however really like the archives list on Matronics, that is the one
thing that FB lacks.
If the new BPA site can have a mix of both, that would be very good.
Thanks
Mark Stanley
Japan
From: Steven Dortch
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
Perhaps any site should include prominent links to FB and matronics!
I support what y'all are trying to do.
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Brian Jardine
wrote:
I support both FB and the Matronics Piet forums, I get benefits from
both.
Brian
Meridian, ID
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Boatright, Jeffrey
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 6:34 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
-->
Hey Pat,
I am all for it. I=99m not anti-FB, but I it=99s not my
first choice for this type of activity.
Thank you for taking the lead on this and thanks for asking,
Jeff
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Core Director & Research Biologist
Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
-----Original Message-----
From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of pweeden
Reply-To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:57 PM
To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
Hi All,
Picking up the discussion here about this list versus the Facebook
group...
A group of us at Brodhead Airport have agreed to take over
responsibility of the Brodhead Pietenpol Association, beginning this
week. As part of that handover, we are creating a new BPA website and I
would like to know people's thoughts on having a Builder's Forum there.
It would be an updated version of this list's software and I have asked
permission from Matronics to use the entirety of this list's content in
an archive on our site, so it is searchable.
You can check it out here:
http://www.pietenpols.org
...Click on Builder's Forum.
Pat Weeden
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466472#466472
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br> enpol-List" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
FORUMS -
eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
WIKI -
errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com
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target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | "(null) raykrause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
I'm all for this! Especially including the BPA newsletter. It has been frust
rating because I've subscribed, but never received the letter. Also, FB is t
oo difficult, too limited and subjects me to too many unwanted interruption
s/contacts/ ads.
Thanks for doing this,
Ray Krause
Building SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 8:07 AM, M W Stanley wrote:
>
> Hi Pat,
>
> I think Steve's idea of having prominent links to both sites is a good ide
a, after all, we all like the same plane.
>
> Both FB and Matronics have their pro's and cons, however, I think that in t
his day and age, the FB page reaches allot more people around the world, spr
eading the good word about Piet's, which has to be a good thing right?
>
> As for me, I like the idea of utilizing all of the information, pics etc t
hat are available on both sites.
> I do however really like the archives list on Matronics, that is the one t
hing that FB lacks.
> If the new BPA site can have a mix of both, that would be very good.
>
> Thanks
> Mark Stanley
> Japan
>
>
> From: Steven Dortch
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:29 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
>
> Perhaps any site should include prominent links to FB and matronics!
>
> I support what y'all are trying to do.
>
>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Brian Jardine
wrote:
.com>
>>
>> I support both FB and the Matronics Piet forums, I get benefits from both
.
>>
>> Brian
>> Meridian, ID
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l
ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Boatright, Jeffrey
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 6:34 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
>>
>> -->
>>
>> Hey Pat,
>>
>> I am all for it. I=99m not anti-FB, but I it=99s not my first
choice for this type of activity.
>>
>> Thank you for taking the lead on this and thanks for asking,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> --
>> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
>> Professor of Ophthalmology
>> Emory University School of Medicine
>> Core Director & Research Biologist
>> Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of pweeden <p
weeden(at)weedengraphics.com>
>> Reply-To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
>> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 7:57 PM
>> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FB
>>
cs.com>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Picking up the discussion here about this list versus the Facebook
group...
>>
>> A group of us at Brodhead Airport have agreed to take over responsibi
lity of the Brodhead Pietenpol Association, beginning this week. As part of t
hat handover, we are creating a new BPA website and I would like to know peo
ple's thoughts on having a Builder's Forum there. It would be an updated ver
sion of this list's software and I have asked permission from Matronics to u
se the entirety of this list's content in an archive on our site, so it is s
earchable.
>>
>> You can check it out here:
>> http://www.pietenpols.org
>> ...Click on Builder's Forum.
>>
>> Pat Weeden
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466472#466472
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of th
e intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged informat
ion. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are he
reby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this messag
e (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited.
>>
>> If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by r
eply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (includin
g attachments).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> =========================
=
>> br> enpol-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> =========================
>> FORUMS -
>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> WIKI -
>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com
>> ==========
>> b Site -
>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio
n
>> =========================
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Riblett to Spar Fit |
| From: | "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons(at)gmail.com> |
Guys,
I'm not building them yet, but I would like to know what the procedure is to fitting
a standard dimension spar to a 612 Riblett design. Laminate a strip the
full length of the spar to fill 1/2" or so gap? Just use a small spacer block
on each rib? Should the spacer be on the top or the bottom?
Any advice would be great.
Thanks,
Brent
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466501#466501
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: BPA ressurection |
| From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
I think this is great news! And very appropriate to have it based in Brodhead.
I, like most, enjoy the traditional bulletin board format. However, I can't stand
the matronics software. It's just antiquated and not moderated. Modern bulletin
board software will enhance what folks like about matronics about a hundred
fold. And then appoint some good reliable moderators, or do it in house.
Search functions are better. Different boards for different topics. Easy picture
posting.
Mike
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466502#466502
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Riblett to Spar Fit |
| From: | "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons(at)gmail.com> |
Guys,
I'm not building them yet, but I would like to know what the procedure is to fitting
a standard dimension spar to a 612 Riblett design. Laminate a strip the
full length of the spar to fill 1/2" or so gap? Just use a small spacer block
on each rib? Should the spacer be on the top or the bottom?
Any advice would be great.
Thanks,
Brent
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466503#466503
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Fay <jfay1950(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Riblett to Spar Fit |
Brent,
Have you already built the spars. If not, I would make the spars taller,
which would increase their strength. I do not have the engineering
expertise to compute how much.
John Fay
in Peoria
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Brent Wilson wrote:
> >
>
> Guys,
> I'm not building them yet, but I would like to know what the procedure is
> to fitting a standard dimension spar to a 612 Riblett design. Laminate a
> strip the full length of the spar to fill 1/2" or so gap? Just use a small
> spacer block on each rib? Should the spacer be on the top or the bottom?
> Any advice would be great.
> Thanks,
> Brent
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466501#466501
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Bowman <airbowman48(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: BPA ressurection |
I have been lurking and building -trying to get information from the BPA As
sn or whatever.
I look on whatever is=C2-happening at Brodhead as a positve thing and kno
w little but what I have read on matrons, FB and other sites.
Would love for there to be ONE site where information would be archived, ea
sy to access and free of the random BS>
Questions:=C2- =C2- 1. Is there going to be a Brodhead Fly-in prior to
AirVenture?
=C2- =C2- 2. How do I pay up for the services that the BPA =C2-promis
ed and you folks seem to want to provide?
Doug B.
On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:11 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:
Pat you asked for input.
I like the pretty pictures and short updates on the facebook page.
I like the in depth discussions that take place on the Matronics page.
I like the good long articles that are in the BPA newsletter.
I like the ads that are in the BPA newsletter.
I like opening our matronics emails and seeing subjects I did not ask for t
hat I needed to know about (is that a clumbsy sentence or what?
the search function on Matronics
I like the feel of the BPA in my hand. OK I can give that up.
Thinks I don't like
Silly fights over=C2- things that don't matter.
the shortness of facebook posts
Since you are doing the work I will let you alone.
Blue Skies,
Steve Dortch
on year 3 of a 6 month restoration of a Pietengrega.
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Douwe Blumberg wr
ote:
GREAT NEWS PAT!!=C2-Are you planning on continuing the newsletter or is t
hat being replaced with the new website?=C2-For some time I=99ve be
en asking if I could help with the newsletter, or something to get the BPA
resurrected and I=99m SO glad you guys have been able to step in and
help.=C2-Please let me know if there=99s anything I can do to help
with the newsletter, or rounding up articles, etc for the new site and the
newsletter.=C2-I would love to see a well-done website that has a builder
=99s section, a section with lots of pictures of piets and flying/bui
lding stories.=C2-Do you think there=99s any chance of getting perm
ission from Grant to use some old Buckeye Pietenpol Association content?=C2
- Nobody=99s had luck so far, but there=99s some treasures th
ere.=C2-Douwe=C2-=C2-
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Riblett to Spar Fit |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Brent,
I am building my Pietenpol using the Riblet 613.5 wing rib profile. It is slightly
taller than even the 612, I believe. I am also using aluminum extruded spars
like are used on a J3 Cub or similar aircraft with wooden ribs. The ribs are
taller than the spars, but also understand this - lift is trying to push the
ribs up toward the spar, not the other way around (not pushing down from above).
That is why many/most people assemble the wings upside down, so that the bottom
of the rib, the lower capstrip, is fully against the bottom edge of the
spar when the wing is assembled. I don't think that the "spacer" is necessary
for overall strength, although I did use them. I am a belt and suspenders kind
of guy.
I am away from home but will be back tomorrow and post a picture or two then. No
I do not think that you need it the whole length of the spar. You are just adding
weight by doing so. Also, I am not an engineer, but simply building your
spar taller does not necessarily make it stronger. This is an extreme example,
but imagine your spar being 1 inch thick X 5 inches tall. Now imagine how your
spar would be if you tripled its height but left the thickness the same. I
don't believe it would be 3 times stronger. It is a combination of height and
thickness that makes it stronger. That is one of the reasons I used aluminum extruded
spars. I don't worry about spar strength at all. As Dan Weseman half-jokingly
put it, "Let's see if I get this right. You have a 9 G spar on a 2 G airplane."
Works for me.
P.S. Take this for all that it is worth. I am not a structural engineer, NOR did
I sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Corvair Engine Project For Sale on Barnstormers |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Builders,
I received an email from a Corvair builder, Chuck Callahan, that I had met several
times at Corvair Colleges. He has decided to not build any aircraft, so he
has put his Corvair engine project on Barnstormers -
http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=1223914
He asked that I make it known on this forum, so I am doing so. His pricing is on
his spec sheet. I have no other advice but to say that I met Chuck, and he seemed
like a good guy when we spoke. I hate to see anybody leave aviation, but
I also would like to see another Corvair engine built, and not languish in a
garage. If any of you have an interest in getting a head start on your Corvair
engine, contact him via Barnstormers.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
though not officially a pietenpol i have decided to start on an ultra-piet ribstock
ordered and on the way now to build a jig and get the clock started on the
build.
are there any other ragwing builders/owners here
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett to Spar Fit |
| From: | "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons(at)gmail.com> |
John, no I haven't built them yet, I am looking at a started project that has all
of the ribs and center wing section built and the spars are "standard" size
so they will have to be spaced.
Terry, thank you for your comments. The spacer on the top does make sense now that
you mentioned the force on the wing will come from the bottom.
I am just starting down this road and will have many more questions I am sure.
Thanks to both of you for your replays.
Brent
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| Subject: | Re: BPA ressurection |
| From: | "pweeden" <pweeden(at)weedengraphics.com> |
I'll try to answer as many questions as I can here.
Douwe:
Yes, we plan on continuing the newsletter. John Hofmann sent his last one to the
printer this week and we plan to produce the quarterly newsletter after that.
Hope to get two out before the Brodhead Piet fly-in in July. We welcome any
and all article submissions. bpa(at)pietenpols.org.
Steve Dortch:
I agree with your comments about the printed newsletter vs. Facebook vs. Matronics.
Our hope is to continue with long in-deoth articles exclusive to members
in the newsletter. FB can be its own thing. We can continue with ads both in print
and on the new website. I've never been a fan of the Matronics software,
which is why we installed a modern forum program on the new website. I hope I
can drag people away from here and move discussions over there and hopefully get
permission to archive the entirety of this group on the BPA website. Then everything
is in one place.
Tools:
See above and check out the new forum:
http://www.pietenpols.org/forum
Doug Bowman:
--Yes, there will be a Pietenpol Reunion at Brodhead, as always, July 20-23, 2017.
--I just received the current membership roster and will be sending out a letter
once we figure out who is paid up and for how long. How the funding works out
in the short term remains to be seen. We have a committed group at Brodhead
Airport though and want this to succeed. Stay tuned!
Pat Weeden
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466534#466534
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: BPA ressurection |
Pat this is great news! Chris Tracy's website is great and helped many Pieters, with only one drawback, in my opinion. It would be great to see a catalog of pictures organized by the planes section or process, i.e., wings, gear, fuselage,fittings, tail, engine, etc. allowing visitors access to the section which they have questions on. For many years I've catalogued pictures this way for my own use and with the thought of creating a website to assist builders. I am holding www.peitenpol.us for this purpose. I do not know the legalities regarding posting other photographers work. When saving each picture I added the individuals last name to each picture. If you would like to visit further let me know.
Thank you for your dedication and efforts.
Jack Textor
The Brat Guy...
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 8:44 PM, pweeden wrote:
>
>
> I'll try to answer as many questions as I can here.
>
> Douwe:
> Yes, we plan on continuing the newsletter. John Hofmann sent his last one to
the printer this week and we plan to produce the quarterly newsletter after that.
Hope to get two out before the Brodhead Piet fly-in in July. We welcome any
and all article submissions. bpa(at)pietenpols.org.
>
> Steve Dortch:
> I agree with your comments about the printed newsletter vs. Facebook vs. Matronics.
Our hope is to continue with long in-deoth articles exclusive to members
in the newsletter. FB can be its own thing. We can continue with ads both in
print and on the new website. I've never been a fan of the Matronics software,
which is why we installed a modern forum program on the new website. I hope
I can drag people away from here and move discussions over there and hopefully
get permission to archive the entirety of this group on the BPA website. Then
everything is in one place.
>
> Tools:
> See above and check out the new forum:
> http://www.pietenpols.org/forum
>
> Doug Bowman:
> --Yes, there will be a Pietenpol Reunion at Brodhead, as always, July 20-23,
2017.
> --I just received the current membership roster and will be sending out a letter
once we figure out who is paid up and for how long. How the funding works
out in the short term remains to be seen. We have a committed group at Brodhead
Airport though and want this to succeed. Stay tuned!
>
> Pat Weeden
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466534#466534
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Great new forum software Pat (and free), would be ideal if the Matronics Piet content
could be moved over to it (may be a bit of work to move though).
RH
--------
Rick Holland
NX6819Z
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| Subject: | Re: Model A engine For Sale |
| From: | "Vincent Dunn" <vincentkdunn(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello, Jim. I'm considering the Model A as the engine for my Piet. Please send
me pix and any information about its specifics: counter-balanced crank? Standard
lifters? Piston info? Aluminum head?
And do you have a radiator for it available also? Whatever you know about it will
help. Thanks,
Vincentkdunn(at)yahoo.com
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Vincent Dunn
Salem Oregon
vincentkdunn(at)yahoo.com
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douwe(at)douwestudios.com> |
| Subject: | BPA ressurection |
Hey Pat,
Not sure what may come out of it, but there is a lot of good stuff and a ton
of great photos/info already on westcoastpiet.com run by Chris Tracy. He's
a good guy, maybe the two sites could collaborate, share info etc? it's
ready-made content if you can work something out with him for the greater
good
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett to Spar Fit |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Terry, Brent-
I am an engineer, so I can get carried away with numbers and formulas, but usually
when that happens people just quietly walk away and leave me muttering to
myself, so it's OK if you do too ;o) When we talk about a spar being "strong",
we have to define what kind of strength we're talking about. I'll be over-simplifying
here, but when it comes to beams (like our wing spars), there is bending
strength and there is shear strength. We are interested in bending strength
so let's look at our Air Camper wing to see what's what.
Structurally, there are three elements to our wing. Simplifying, of course. The
centersection is one element, the section of the wing outboard from the cabanes
to the lift strut attach points is another, and the part outboard of the
lift strut attach points is a third. Of those three, the centersection is the
most lightly loaded and the easiest to analyze structurally because it is supported
and restrained at both ends by the four cabane uprights. The next section,
from the cabanes out to the lift strut attach points, is more heavily loaded
than the centersection but it, too, is restrained at both ends (by the cabanes
at one end and by the lift struts at the other). The outboard-most section
of wing is the part that has to work the hardest because it is only supported
at the lift strut end and the other end is cantilevered out into thin air.
That part of the wing is what needs the most strength in bending, because that's
what it has to work hardest at.
The heavies that Terry flies have wings that are completely cantilevered out from
the fuselage, so when you are at maximum takeoff weight with full fuel, pax,
and baggage and you pull that baby into climb attitude on takeoff, the wings
bend gracefully in an upward sweep out at the tips as they do their hardest work.
In a spectacular example of this taken to the extreme, check out the 787
Dreamliner's wingtips bending upward about 25 feet at the tips (during testing,
of course), here:
https://www.wired.com/2010/03/boeing-787-passes-incredible-wing-flex-test/
The bending stress is at its maximum at the wing roots of a cantilevered wing,
diminishing as you go out spanwise to the tips, where it is zero. So, in theory,
we can save weight by tapering the wing spars to follow the profile of the
diminishing stress as we go out to the tips, but that adds complexity to the
spar construction, and if we also taper the wing chordwise like the heavies are,
it means every rib is different from its neighbor and everything is harder
to make. So, we build our wing Hershey bar-style with a constant chord and constant
spar size for simplicity and ease of construction. Consequently, the wing
centersection is very much overbuilt, the section from the cabanes to the
lift struts is still plenty overbuilt, and the outboard section is probably just
about right but progressively more and more overbuilt as you go from the lift
strut attach points out to the wing tips where the bending stress is (theoretically)
zero.
Bottom line, we analyze the forces in an Air Camper wing where the bending stress
is the highest: on the outboard section, where the lift struts attach. Inboard
of that, the spars are restrained from deflecting in bending and outboard
of that, they are not.
Now for the math. Feel free to leave the room quietly ;o)
The bending stress in a beam (which our wing spars are) is calculated by knowing
two things: the moment (which is the product of the lift force on the wing times
the distance where it acts on the wing), divided by the section modulus.
Forget about two of those things for a minute because we are looking for the
maximum "strength" of our wing and we know the properties of the wood (or metal)
that the spar is made of so we know its maximum allowable stress, and we also
know the lift forces on the wing because we are designing it for a certain
maximum gross weight, G-force, and safety factor. That just leaves the section
modulus, which is a property of the beam section. It's different for a tube,
a rod, an I-beam, a C-section, rectangle, square, bar, whatever. In the case
of a typical rectangular-section wood beam, the section modulus is equal to
the width (thickness) times the height (spar depth) squared, divided by six.
As H. Ross Perot used to say during his talks, "stay with me now..." ;o)
The amount of stress that the wood in our spar is able to take without failing
is essentially constant and is a property of the wood. So, the larger we can
get the section modulus of our spar to be, the "stronger" it is (the more bending
stress it can take, which means higher Gs or a higher gross weight, or both).
So, lets look at the section modulus. We have two things we can work with
to determine it: the thickness and the height. If we double the thickness,
we also double the section modulus but if we double the HEIGHT, we increase the
section modulus by a factor of FOUR because the height gets squared in the equation
(2x2 = 4). Since we're trying to build our spars as light as we can,
why make the spars twice as thick to double the section modulus (but double the
weight), when we can do the same thing by simply increasing the spar depth by
about 2 and the weight only goes up by about 40% instead of 100%? In resisting
bending force on the spars, you get more bang for the buck by going taller
rather than fatter.
So (and this has nothing to do with where you slept last night), your example of
a spar that is 1" thick and 5" tall means that its section modulus is about
4.17 but if we make it 3 times that tall, 15", its section modulus skyrockets
to 37.5 and the spar isnt 3 times stronger, its 9 times stronger in bending than
the 5" tall one. There's that squaring effect at play.
But wait, because there are many reasons why it would be impractical to actually
build something like that due to buckling from "slenderness" and fiber shear
in the web, twisting, and other things. However, the point is that in a wing
spar that is subjected to bending loads, depth is everything. I'm not certain
of the Riblett airfoil nomenclature, but if the 612 has 12% thickness and the
wing chord is 60", the airfoil would be about 7.2" tall at its maximum thickness
so maybe 7" at the main spar. (Terry, how tall are the metal J-3 spars?)
For a 1" thick rectangular Riblett 612 spar, the section modulus might be 8.17.
The stock unrouted 1 thick Piet spar is 4-3/4" tall so it might have a section
modulus of 3.76 and the deeper 612 spar, if it's a rectangular shape like
the Piet's, is then theoretically competent to take more than twice the bending
stress than the stock Piet spar, so maybe (to temper what Wese said about
the Air Camper wing spar), maybe the 2-G Piet becomes a 4-G "Super Piet" ;o)
All of this is theoretical and none of the above should be taken as a rigorous
analysis of either spar, or of the wing, or anything other than a general discussion
to point out that calculated design can sometimes beat eyeball engineering.
On the other hand, many things that are exquisitely designed, cannot readily
be constructed on the floor of a wooden barn using hand tools. Thus we have
the timeless and understated technical elegance of the Pietenpol Air Camper,
which does what it does very well and without a lot of analysis or re-engineering.
If you choose to depart from Mr. Pietenpols design, take your time analyzing
what you do.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Not building one, but I do have a set of plans! Very nice airplane, but when I
studied the plans it seemed like just as much work to build one as to build a
full-size Air Camper.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett to Spar Fit |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Brent,
Here are the photos of my spacers. The wing is upside down on the saw horses, so
I just took the photos and flipped them.
Oscar,
I purchased the spar blanks from D&E Aircraft out of Lake Worth, FL. The front
spar is 5.683" tall X 0.875" (I think). The rear spar is 4.625" tall. The taller
spars were just a wee bit tight for the rear spar space.
https://www.de-aircraft.com/other.html#04
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
come to think of it, ever since the newsletter went away, I can't remember if I'm
a current member of BPA anymore. I would subscribe every year because I liked
when the newsletter would appear in the mail
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KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
Slick 4330's
AN Hardware
Airframe 778TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett to Spar Fit |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Terry; thanks for the pix of your rib-to-spar interface. And just to add one last
bit to what I wrote about spar strength, changing the material from wood to
metal makes a vast change in the strength, other things being equal. Spruce
has a modulus of rupture (or bending strength) of about 9,400 psi whereas (to
use a metal that is familiar to builders) for 6061-T6 aluminum it is 42,000 psi.
If someone were to take the time to carefully route, dado, rabbet, and otherwise
shape a spruce spar into the same dimensions and modified "I" configuration
as your metal spar, not only would it be uselessly flimsy, even properly
restrained it could only carry about 1/5 the bending stress that yours can....
Riblett or no Riblett.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
By the way: I just noticed that this thread, which began July of 2016 with a post
by Douwe, morphed into a progress update by Ken Bickers of the rebuild of his
damaged Air Camper (and the discussion of how he got his dog attached to the
wall in the picture), is showing that it has had over 2000 views since then.
I guess this is an indication of how much interest there is in expanding the
Pieten-world into social media and friendlier user-group interfaces.
Don't get me wrong, though... I still love it when I open the mailbox and a printed
BPA Newsletter is there. I realize that the days of print newsletters are
rapidly fading and that they are a lot more work than e-newsletters.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett to Spar Fit |
| From: | "Brent Wilson" <Wyowilsons(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar, Terry
Thank you very much for all the information and Terry for the pictures it helps
me a bunch especially since I haven't actually laid eyes on any of this other
than pictures.
Oscar, beautiful job by the Engineering Dept. I actually grasped a lot of that.
I'm just an old mechanic, but I have furthered the career of many an Engineer
in my day so I kind of speak their lingo.
The project I'm looking at trying to pick up has standard spruce spars, 612 Riblett
ribs completed and the center section with the fuel tank completed, so I
would probably just move forward with that design and build spacers to put between
the top of the spar and the rib cap similar to yours Terry.
Again thank you guys for all of your input.
Brent
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding plus questions about elevator cable tension |
| From: | "Lostman" <howhypno(at)hotmail.com> |
I haven't posted up in a while but was able to get out to Utah last fall and get
a weeks worth of work in on the new prop. By far this is the largest prop my
dad and I have ever built. Needless to say the blank was almost 80 pounds but
is much lighter now. Since I still have a lot of finish work to do on it, I haven't
yet weighed it so have no idea what the final prop will weigh.
If anyone has ever done a copper leading edge, please let me know details. I'd
love to wrap the leading edge to give it a good durable finish and look correct
for the period.
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I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, hang glider and paraglider as well
as my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.
As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that will
fly with me.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
yes i have the real pietenpol plans as well, and the plans to the MiniMax.
I think you are right on it not being much more work to build the real piet, but
I am on a budget and the ultra-piet is easier on my budget, mostly since i have
an engine available to me for the ragwing.
a lot of the building is similar in both the pietenpol and ultra-piet. I would
love to hear from someone who has flown both. I do have a little time in a real
Pietenpol.
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| Subject: | Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
First, kudos for wanting to give instruction in the piet. I think it would be great
for any pilot to get time anything with the little wheel in the back where
it belongs and esp. in the piet.
as far as earning a pilot certificate in one getting a sport certificat i don't
see a problem but the private certificat requires 3 hours of flying on instruments
as well as using navigaton equipment and for the checkride you need an aircraft
capable of being flown by reference to instruments. So for the private
certificate you will probably need to use something else for part of the training
and the check ride.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
If I remember correctly, Grant MacLaren has built and flown both an Air Camper
and an UltraPiet. However, he seems to have faded from the Piet scene years ago.
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| Subject: | Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
My Piet is perfectly capable of being flown by reference to instruments. It just
doesn't have them ;o)
Thanks for the clarification, because there are certainly aviation activities that
require properly-equipped aircraft to do.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
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A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft |
Just a thought, wait now I am not so sure. I am glad I did not just pop
off.
I was going to suggest taking the student to a place that has a flight sim
and the required aircraft for that training and pay them for that portion
of training. I just did my instrument ticket at Tempus training in San
Marcos, Texas. Yes I have drank the koolaide and I have become a true
believer in Sim training. "Come on in boys, the water is fine!"
However, there would be a significant amount of time getting spun up on how
to fly a Cessna 172 with the G1000 glass cockpit.
To mitigate this spin up, tell your student to use the Microsoft flight sim
program on their home computer to prepare for this. This will give them the
how to on the G1000 and the Cessna 172. Or Buttonology as my instructor
told me.
Blue Skies,
Steve D.
On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 2:39 PM, cdlwingnut wrote:
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> First, kudos for wanting to give instruction in the piet. I think it would
> be great for any pilot to get time anything with the little wheel in the
> back where it belongs and esp. in the piet.
>
> as far as earning a pilot certificate in one getting a sport certificat i
> don't see a problem but the private certificat requires 3 hours of flying
> on instruments as well as using navigaton equipment and for the checkride
> you need an aircraft capable of being flown by reference to instruments. So
> for the private certificate you will probably need to use something else
> for part of the training and the check ride.
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466676#466676
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>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
Grant is on Facebook...
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 26, 2017, at 3:07 PM, taildrags wrote:
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and an UltraPiet. However, he seems to have faded from the Piet scene years
ago.
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> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: the Air Camper as a training aircraft |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve, I know you were just using the C-172/G1000 platform as an example, but if
someone out there in Pietropolis actually has a need to spin up on the G1000,
I have the Garmin G1000 Checkout CD (from Sporty's) here in my library and sure
am not using it. Available on loan to anyone who might need it. There is
a lot to be said for training videos and simulators because the learning is done
under far less pressure and with the ability to review things or pause things.
In the airplane, not so much ;o) The big drawback of sim time is that time
"in actual" is physically and emotionally a lot different from sim time or
even time under the Foggles.
Of course, there are sims and then there are sims. I've mentioned this before,
but I got to fly the EA-6B Prowler sim at Whidbey Island NAS and I can tell you,
the sweat on my back and hands was real because the sim is so real ;o) My
right-seater was good friend LtCol (USMC, ret) Kyle "Itchy" Rash, who flew and
instructed in the Prowler, and who served several tours in remote desert places
of the world. Although he had no controls on his side, his voice in the headset
was a tremendous help. And I never heard a peep from the two ECMO back-seaters
the whole time I flew. Maybe that's because the Prowler sim doesn't
have the back seats ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
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A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "GregA" <arehart(at)unr.edu> |
Just joined the list. Thinking about building a Piet and would like to talk with
a few builders/owners over the next several months and look at a finished or
semi-finished airplane to see how I (and maybe the wife) would fit (would take
a ride too if offered!). I'm currently in Reno, but relocating to western
Colorado later this spring. I have built and currently fly an RV9 so willing
to fly most places in the west as needed.
Also would like some real-world input on the build time. Took me approximately
1250 hours to complete the RV, including a few non-stock modifications. I realize
that the Piet is different, but just trying to get an estimate of time commitment.
Thanks,
Greg
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Greg;
If you're ever up this way to southern Oregon, you're welcome to sit in my Piet
anytime. Over in Colorado, you'll find Ken Bickers up in the Denver/Ft Collins
area and Rick Holland, who I think is in the same area. However, when you
say 'western Colorado', you may be talking about over in Grand Junction, which
is quite a ways from there.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Greg;
I forgot... you've got a lot more Piets closer to you in CA than to me up here
in OR. There are a couple in the Sacramento area alone! Fritz Watson, Gary Boothe,
Chris Tracy, others. And if you're still here the first weekend in June,
the West Coast Piet Fly-In is held over at Frazier Lake Airpark, by Hollister...
about 300 SM from Reno.
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Oscar Zuniga
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| From: | "GregA" <arehart(at)unr.edu> |
Oscar,
Thanks for the offer. Medford is a pretty easy flight from Reno, and we have family
in Eugene, so I may take you up on the offer sooner or later. And/or maybe
some of the CA folks will reply. I won't make the fly-in as I spend most
of my summers in northern BC, from late May through September. We will be near
Grand Junction when moved (actually, Delta). Front Range won't be too far and
I have college buddies in Ft. Collins and Denver both, so will probably be
over there at one point or another.
Cheers,
Greg
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douwe(at)douwestudios.com> |
| Subject: | "copper" prop edging |
I believe Dan Helsper posted his experiments with sheathing his prop LE with
brass on the FB page. Never seen copper used.
He can probably chime in.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: "copper" prop edging |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
What I've heard about adding metal leading edge protection may just be a falsehood,
but I've read that moisture can collect under the metal where it's not seen,
and lead to wood rot without any way to be aware of it.
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Oscar Zuniga
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: "copper" prop edging |
Yes, according to my historical research, copper was used early on as a prop tipping
material. Here you can see my early attempts at forming the brass tipping
material I was playing around with. I never had the guts to actually start drilling
holes though. As much as I would like to, I have never felt like I was
in a position to go through with it, being close to Brodhead time and only having
one prop to rely on. Gary Boothe has also been known to be playing around
with this. Maybe he can chime in with more.....
Dan Helsper
Loensloe Airfield
Puryear, TN
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From: Douwe Blumberg <douwe(at)douwestudios.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2017 1:23 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "copper" prop edging
I believe Dan Helsper posted his experiments with sheathing his prop LE with brass
on the FB page. Never seen copper used.
He can probably chime in.
Douwe
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| From: | "M W Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
| Subject: | Re: "copper" prop edging |
Hi Dan,
That is beautiful work!
I was just wondering if you you used an peening hammer/bag, then an
english wheel to get the shape? Whatever you did, it looks great!
Mark Stanley
Piet build in progress.
Japan
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "copper" prop edging
Yes, according to my historical research, copper was used early on as a
prop tipping material. Here you can see my early attempts at forming the
brass tipping material I was playing around with. I never had the guts
to actually start drilling holes though. As much as I would like to, I
have never felt like I was in a position to go through with it, being
close to Brodhead time and only having one prop to rely on. Gary Boothe
has also been known to be playing around with this. Maybe he can chime
in with more.....
Dan Helsper
Loensloe Airfield
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douwe(at)douwestudios.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2017 1:23 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "copper" prop edging
I believe Dan Helsper posted his experiments with sheathing his prop LE
with brass on the FB page. Never seen copper used.
He can probably chime in.
Douwe
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Riblett to Spar Fit |
Ah yes, but aluminum is some 5.6 times heavier than spruce.
Divide that 42000 lb by 5.6 and what have you got? 7500 psi.
Hmmmm. Your Al spar is going to be heavier except for
some judicious hole cutting in the web area.
Clif
You cannot escape. Every day
a part of you turns to shit.
>
> Terry; thanks for the pix of your rib-to-spar interface. And just to add
> one last bit to what I wrote about spar strength, changing the material
> from wood to metal makes a vast change in the strength, other things being
> equal. Spruce has a modulus of rupture (or bending strength) of about
> 9,400 psi whereas (to use a metal that is familiar to builders) for
> 6061-T6 aluminum it is 42,000 psi. If someone were to take the time to
> carefully route, dado, rabbet, and otherwise shape a spruce spar into the
> same dimensions and modified "I" configuration as your metal spar, not
> only would it be uselessly flimsy, even properly restrained it could only
> carry about 1/5 the bending stress that yours can.... Riblett or no
> Riblett.
>
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> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: "copper" prop edging |
Thanks Mark. No English wheel, just a rubber hammer against a shot bag and against
anything convenient to get it to roll over at the edges. Here some close shots
of copper on a prop I saw at OSH a couple of years ago.
Dan Helsper
Loensloe Airfield
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: M W Stanley <mmrally(at)nifty.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2017 8:42 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "copper" prop edging
Hi Dan,
That is beautiful work!
I was just wondering if you you used an peening hammer/bag, then an english wheel
to get the shape? Whatever you did, it looks great!
Mark Stanley
Piet build in progress.
Japan
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "copper" prop edging
Yes, according to my historical research, copper was used early on as a prop tipping
material. Here you can see my early attempts at forming the brass tipping
material I was playing around with. I never had the guts to actually start drilling
holes though. As much as I would like to, I have never felt like I was
in a position to go through with it, being close to Brodhead time and only having
one prop to rely on. Gary Boothe has also been known to be playing around
with this. Maybe he can chime in with more.....
Dan Helsper
Loensloe Airfield
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douwe(at)douwestudios.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2017 1:23 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "copper" prop edging
I believe Dan Helsper posted his experiments with sheathing his prop LE with brass
on the FB page. Never seen copper used.
He can probably chime in.
Douwe
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| From: | "JERRY" <jerry(at)SKYCLASSIC.NET> |
| Subject: | "copper" prop edging |
That is very cool. I might try that on my Model A prop when I get to it.
Jerry
Prairie City, IA
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "copper" prop edging
Thanks Mark. No English wheel, just a rubber hammer against a shot bag
and against anything convenient to get it to roll over at the edges.
Here some close shots of copper on a prop I saw at OSH a couple of years
ago.
Dan Helsper
Loensloe Airfield
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: M W Stanley < <mailto:mmrally(at)nifty.com> mmrally(at)nifty.com>
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2017 8:42 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "copper" prop edging
Hi Dan,
That is beautiful work!
I was just wondering if you you used an peening hammer/bag, then an
english wheel to get the shape? Whatever you did, it looks great!
Mark Stanley
Piet build in progress.
Japan
From: <mailto:helspersew(at)aol.com> helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "copper" prop edging
Yes, according to my historical research, copper was used early on as a
prop tipping material. Here you can see my early attempts at forming the
brass tipping material I was playing around with. I never had the guts
to actually start drilling holes though. As much as I would like to, I
have never felt like I was in a position to go through with it, being
close to Brodhead time and only having one prop to rely on. Gary Boothe
has also been known to be playing around with this. Maybe he can chime
in with more.....
Dan Helsper
Loensloe Airfield
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg < <mailto:douwe(at)douwestudios.com>
douwe(at)douwestudios.com>
January 18, 2017 - February 28, 2017
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