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September 10, 2017 - January 04, 2018
that first solo off the grass at Tims Airpark north of Austin, I find that
I can now make perfect 3-point landings every time. Sometimes those perfect
3-pointers occur three feet off the runway, sometimes they are half that distance,
sometimes they should have happened two seconds after the tires touched down
and I'm ballooning up again, but occasionally the tires meet the runway at
the same time the airplane stops flying ;o) In short, I know the theory perfectly
and the airplane is willing to give it a go as many times as I want to put
it in the landing attitude, but it usually turns out that I'm still a student
and 41CC gets the last chuckle as we clear the active.
I guess if that weren't the case, I might as well just have a big red toggle switch
on the panel labeled "AutoLand" and I would soon grow bored of Pietenpoling.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "(null) raykrause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout Plans |
Oscar,
I learned in a 7AC Aeronca and have since owned two of them and a J-3. From memories
of doing many straight on, power-off stalls, it seems to me that the AOA
was far steeper than 10-13 degrees. I clearly remember wondering if the damn
thing would ever stall so I could get the power back on and be done with that
phase of the training. I also remember all the warnings it gave on incipient
stalls when in steep turns...those mushy controls! But I must admit that I could
sometimes not respond to such warnings while concentrating in the turns. And
I've scared myself many times practicing approach stalls simulating base to
final while letting the tail scoot too much....kinda gets one's attention!
My intention is to measure the on-the-ground attitude of the Aeronca and then remember
to take my digital protractor along on my next Aeronca flight.
Not too much I can do about the AOA of the SkyScout on the ground at this time.
Guess we will see how it lands on the first flights. Smaller wheels might be
an answer.
Ray
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> On Sep 9, 2017, at 8:04 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> Yes, good info, Jack. I never thought about what it was that made each of those
aircraft handle as they do near the stall. I learned to fly in a 40HP J-3
and made my first solo in it, so that airplane created my first impressions of
how to land an airplane and what the sensations and visual cues should be right
at the ground.
>
> The Cub must have taught me pretty well. Flying my Air Camper some 45 years
after that first solo off the grass at Tims Airpark north of Austin, I find that
I can now make perfect 3-point landings every time. Sometimes those perfect
3-pointers occur three feet off the runway, sometimes they are half that distance,
sometimes they should have happened two seconds after the tires touched
down and I'm ballooning up again, but occasionally the tires meet the runway
at the same time the airplane stops flying ;o) In short, I know the theory perfectly
and the airplane is willing to give it a go as many times as I want to
put it in the landing attitude, but it usually turns out that I'm still a student
and 41CC gets the last chuckle as we clear the active.
>
> I guess if that weren't the case, I might as well just have a big red toggle
switch on the panel labeled "AutoLand" and I would soon grow bored of Pietenpoling.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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> Read this topic online here:
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| From: | "(null) raykrause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout Plans |
The 7AC AOA, as measure on the ground in 3-point is 11.2 degrees.
Ray Krause
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> On Sep 9, 2017, at 8:04 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> Yes, good info, Jack. I never thought about what it was that made each of those
aircraft handle as they do near the stall. I learned to fly in a 40HP J-3
and made my first solo in it, so that airplane created my first impressions of
how to land an airplane and what the sensations and visual cues should be right
at the ground.
>
> The Cub must have taught me pretty well. Flying my Air Camper some 45 years
after that first solo off the grass at Tims Airpark north of Austin, I find that
I can now make perfect 3-point landings every time. Sometimes those perfect
3-pointers occur three feet off the runway, sometimes they are half that distance,
sometimes they should have happened two seconds after the tires touched
down and I'm ballooning up again, but occasionally the tires meet the runway
at the same time the airplane stops flying ;o) In short, I know the theory perfectly
and the airplane is willing to give it a go as many times as I want to
put it in the landing attitude, but it usually turns out that I'm still a student
and 41CC gets the last chuckle as we clear the active.
>
> I guess if that weren't the case, I might as well just have a big red toggle
switch on the panel labeled "AutoLand" and I would soon grow bored of Pietenpoling.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472731#472731
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout Plans |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Ray;
Although my first solo was in a J-3, I didn't have enough money to continue flying
while in college so I didn't go much further until I was out of school, working,
and needing to get my private ticket so I could fly to and from jobsites
on business. At that point, I had the resources to plop down enough money to
schedule blocks of instruction time till I could take my checkride and get my
ticket. I still wanted to learn in tailwheel aircraft so I sought out an instructor
and FBO who could do that and picked up where I had left offf out of
college when I found a tailwheel instructor and a GCAA Citabria. I flew most
of my primary training in that aircraft until it was sold, then continued my advanced
training in a Cessna 150/150 with the Texas Taildragger conversion. Later,
I rented a Citabria 7KCAB and flew that on business as well. I found very
great differences in the sight picture out the windscreen of those three airplanes
in all flight regimes.
The way I remember the GCAA, it had much the same feel and view out the front as
the J-3 and I enjoyed flying that airplane. I seem to remember sitting deeper
down in the seat in it though. In the 150/150, I felt like the 3-point attitude
hardly looked much different out the front than the tri-gear 150! It felt
like I wasn't really flying a tailwheel aircraft, other than having to stay
on the rudder pedals. In the 7KCAB, the cowling and instrument panel seemed
to block more of my forward view than in either of those airplanes, and of course
with a fuel injected engine and 150HP the starting drill and performance were
different from the GCAA. The point is, in the air they are all just airplanes
but in the landing configuration there are significant differences in the
visual cues and attitude and it takes some adjustment to get used to a new tailwheel
airplane. What I found when I transitioned into the Air Camper, as I'm
sure you'll find in the Sky Scout, is that it is not always waiting to jump
on you or throw you off its back like a wild bronc. It gives you plenty of cues
and it flies slowly enough on approach that you have time to think about what
it's doing. And once you're "connected" to the airplane, the fun really begins
because you can go fly without a long preflight, without a long checklist,
without a lot of equipment or forethought, or even without a lot of mental preparation.
You just go fly and you have fun doing it. You can handle the plane
by yourself and you don't have to check your bank balance every time you taxi
to the fuel pump.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
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A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch |
pjb wrote:
> I recently replaced the Continental A75 on my Pietenpol with
> an 0200-A.
> We used the Cloudcars 74-38 that was on the A75 after counterboring
> the holes to fit the 0200-A.
>
> It looks large in the photo but there is 9" clearance !!
>
>
> Full throttle static rpm was 2500 and the first 2 test flights showed
> normal operating rpms .
>
> Patricia
I spoke too soon !!
We have flown about 7 hours since installing the 0 SMOH 0-200A engine
on my Pietenpol so I now have a better idea of the performance as the
engine 'loosens up'
The 74-38 prop is way too fine a pitch and the engine needs to be throttled back
to prevent overspeeding. The result is that we're not able to use the
full power of the engine and we're not getting either good climb or good
cruise.
A few days ago, I tried a borrowed 72-40 prop and it was considerably
better [ did not overspeed on climb out but did overspeed in cruise.
I think we still need a slightly coarser pitch and will be trying out
another borrowed prop this week.
When I have a good idea of the numbers, I will buy one. I still want a wood
prop.
Has anyone had a similar experience matching a wood prop to the 0-200A
engine on a Piet ?
Patricia
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| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch |
I have a McCauley metal 74x41 on a C-85 on my GN-1. 2450 rpm climb out and
level cruise. Would like wood but fear I need the metal for CG reasons.
This prop was also on the A65 this plane was built with. I want to
experiment before buying or re-pitching. I think I can get a few more knots
(not important), and maybe a little better fuel burn. So far only borrowed
a 74x47. Way too much pitch. Will be interested in your research!
On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 2:27 PM pjb <pjb@ornithopter-pilot.com> wrote:
>
>
> pjb wrote:
> > I recently replaced the Continental A75 on my Pietenpol with
> > an 0200-A.
> > We used the Cloudcars 74-38 that was on the A75 after counterboring
> > the holes to fit the 0200-A.
> >
> > It looks large in the photo but there is 9" clearance !!
> >
> >
> > Full throttle static rpm was 2500 and the first 2 test flights showed
> > normal operating rpms .
> >
> > Patricia
>
>
> I spoke too soon !!
> We have flown about 7 hours since installing the 0 SMOH 0-200A engine
> on my Pietenpol so I now have a better idea of the performance as the
> engine 'loosens up'
> The 74-38 prop is way too fine a pitch and the engine needs to be
> throttled back to prevent overspeeding. The result is that we're not able
> to use the
> full power of the engine and we're not getting either good climb or good
> cruise.
>
> A few days ago, I tried a borrowed 72-40 prop and it was considerably
> better [ did not overspeed on climb out but did overspeed in cruise.
> I think we still need a slightly coarser pitch and will be trying out
> another borrowed prop this week.
>
> When I have a good idea of the numbers, I will buy one. I still want a wood
> prop.
> Has anyone had a similar experience matching a wood prop to the 0-200A
> engine on a Piet ?
>
> Patricia
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472878#472878
>
>
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| From: | Paul Waterhouse <paul(at)centralaero.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch |
Hi Guys,
Try talking to Gary at APS props in NZ. He makes very nice wo
oden props & sends them all over the world.
I have one under the bed waiting for me to finish the aeroplane.
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> On 15/09/2017, at 7:52 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote
:
>
> I have a McCauley metal 74x41 on a C-85 on my GN-1. 2450 rpm climb out and
level cruise. Would like wood but fear I need the metal for CG reasons. Thi
s prop was also on the A65 this plane was built with. I want to experiment b
efore buying or re-pitching. I think I can get a few more knots (not importa
nt), and maybe a little better fuel burn. So far only borrowed a 74x47. Wa
y too much pitch. Will be interested in your research!
>
>> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 2:27 PM pjb <pjb@ornithopter-pilot.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> pjb wrote:
>> > I recently replaced the Continental A75 on my Pietenpol with
>> > an 0200-A.
>> > We used the Cloudcars 74-38 that was on the A75 after counterboring
>> > the holes to fit the 0200-A.
>> >
>> > It looks large in the photo but there is 9" clearance !!
>> >
>> >
>> > Full throttle static rpm was 2500 and the first 2 test flights showed
>> > normal operating rpms .
>> >
>> > Patricia
>>
>>
>> I spoke too soon !!
>> We have flown about 7 hours since installing the 0 SMOH 0-200A engine
>> on my Pietenpol so I now have a better idea of the performance as the
>> engine 'loosens up'
>> The 74-38 prop is way too fine a pitch and the engine needs to be throttl
ed back to prevent overspeeding. The result is that we're not able to use th
e
>> full power of the engine and we're not getting either good climb or good
>> cruise.
>>
>> A few days ago, I tried a borrowed 72-40 prop and it was considerably
>> better [ did not overspeed on climb out but did overspeed in cruise.
>> I think we still need a slightly coarser pitch and will be trying out
>> another borrowed prop this week.
>>
>> When I have a good idea of the numbers, I will buy one. I still want a wo
od
>> prop.
>> Has anyone had a similar experience matching a wood prop to the 0-200A
>> engine on a Piet ?
>>
>> Patricia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472878#472878
>>
>>
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| From: | "L. Harris" <larharris2(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch |
Just a data point for you: 100hp at 2750rpm, 95 mph - arithmetic says you s
hould have a 66/42 prop.
Lorenzo
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch
pjb wrote:
> I recently replaced the Continental A75 on my Pietenpol with
> an 0200-A.
> We used the Cloudcars 74-38 that was on the A75 after counterboring
> the holes to fit the 0200-A.
>
> It looks large in the photo but there is 9" clearance !!
>
>
> Full throttle static rpm was 2500 and the first 2 test flights showed
> normal operating rpms .
>
> Patricia
I spoke too soon !!
We have flown about 7 hours since installing the 0 SMOH 0-200A engine
on my Pietenpol so I now have a better idea of the performance as the
engine 'loosens up'
The 74-38 prop is way too fine a pitch and the engine needs to be throttled
back to prevent overspeeding. The result is that we're not able to use the
full power of the engine and we're not getting either good climb or good
cruise.
A few days ago, I tried a borrowed 72-40 prop and it was considerably
better [ did not overspeed on climb out but did overspeed in cruise.
I think we still need a slightly coarser pitch and will be trying out
another borrowed prop this week.
When I have a good idea of the numbers, I will buy one. I still want a wood
prop.
Has anyone had a similar experience matching a wood prop to the 0-200A
engine on a Piet ?
Patricia
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| Subject: | Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
....
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KLNC
A65-8
N2308C
Slick 4330's
AN Hardware
Airframe 780TT
W72CK-42 Sensenich
Standard Factory GN-1
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch |
I know that the cessna 150 with same engine uses a 69-48 for climb a 69-50
standard and i brlieve 69-52 for cruise. These are all aluminum McCauley pr
ops. The 150 cruises about 100mph. Not sure if this helps. I think the figu
re my prop builder told me was one inch of length equals about 50rpm.=C2-
Shad
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ote:
Just a data point for you: 100hp at 2750rpm, 95 mph - arithmetic says you s
hould have a 66/42 prop.
Lorenzo
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pjb wrote:
> I recently replaced the Continental A75 on my Pietenpol with
> an 0200-A.
> We used the Cloudcars 74-38 that was on the A75 after counterboring
> the holes to fit the 0200-A.
>
> It looks large in the photo but there is=C2- 9" clearance !!
>
>
> Full throttle static rpm was 2500 and=C2- the first 2 test flights show
ed
> normal operating rpms .
>
> Patricia
I spoke too soon !!
We have flown about 7 hours since installing the=C2- 0 SMOH 0-200A engine
on my Pietenpol so I now have a better idea of the performance as the
engine 'loosens up'
The 74-38 prop is way too fine a pitch and the engine needs to be throttled
back to prevent overspeeding. The result is that we're not able to use the
full power of the engine and we're not getting either good climb or good
cruise.
A few days ago, I tried a borrowed 72-40 prop and it was considerably
better=C2- [ did not overspeed on climb out but did overspeed in cruise.
I think we still need a slightly coarser pitch and will be trying out
another borrowed prop this week.
When I have a good idea of the numbers, I will buy one. I still want a wood
prop.
Has anyone had a similar experience matching a wood prop to the 0-200A
engine on a Piet ?
Patricia
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| Subject: | Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
My two cents: the Air Camper (don't know about the GN-1) was never intended to
cruise at either 95 or 100 MPH. The O-200 should give excellent climb performance
with the airplane fully fueled and loaded and on high/hot days, with the
right prop on the airplane, but it will be throttled back considerably in cruise.
The design Vne for an Air Camper is somewhere around 95 MPH and even at that
speed it's not a happy airplane. The Corvair/Piet guys know how best to use
100 HP on an Air Camper and it has nothing to do with cruising at 100 MPH.
My opinion only, please discuss because that's why we are all here.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch |
| From: | "Heavy Iron" <ron.horton1000(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Patricia,
I have a McCauley 71-46 that turns about 2275 static on a C85 if you want to try
it. I am based at CGV2 which I think is near you.
Cheers,
Ron
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| From: | Semih Oksay <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch |
I have a McCauley CM 71-47 and planning to use it on my C90-8F. Do you
think it will work?
Regards
Semih Oksay
On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Heavy Iron
wrote:
> ron.horton1000(at)gmail.com>
>
> Hi Patricia,
>
> I have a McCauley 71-46 that turns about 2275 static on a C85 if you want
> to try it. I am based at CGV2 which I think is near you.
>
> Cheers,
> Ron
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472914#472914
>
>
--
Semih Oksay
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| Subject: | Help with Spar Decision |
| From: | "Ozzietx" <ozzietx(at)gmail.com> |
I am in the process of building my rib jig, and need to make a decision
on what size spar slot to incorporate.
My priorities are Safety, Weight and cost in that order.
I weigh a little over 200 lbs, and will likely have passengers in that range.
I am attempting to keep my weight down as low as possible. Yes, I know if I were
to lose some weight, that would also help me.
I had initially decided on a 1" routed spar.
My concerns with that are weight, and my ability to rout an expensive blank
without screwing it up. I also hate to waste the wood that will be routed out.
Ultimately, I'm sure I can eventually determine how to rout it out.
I have seen mention, and some drawings of the "UK box spar"
I have spent hours using the search function, but have not seen a solid
opinion, and explanation of this design.
>From what I understand, this is a required method in the UK for Piet builders.
Apparently it is quite light, and strong. From my model airplane
experience, it seems like a great option, that includes a strong D box.
>From what I have read, this is a modification that has actually been properly
stress analyzed.
I have read many times, just build it as Bernard designed it. I get that, and may
very well do exactly that.
I am seeking qualified opinions on the UK box spar idea. In my mind (sometimes
a dangerous place) this seems stronger, lighter, and less expensive option.
I do have a complete woodworking shop to fabricate any type of spar.
I would appreciate any input form people that truly understand the box spar design.
Here are a couple of links in which it was discussed:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=65138&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=c79b4120a295a0875655e3c1870c5f8a
http://pietenpol.cpc-world.com/?page_id=4376
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| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
This what I did, not flying. Design was checked by engineer.
http://textors.com/SparSketch2.jpg
Other pictures here http://textors.com/PietProject.html
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 17, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Ozzietx wrote:
>
>
> I am in the process of building my rib jig, and need to make a decision
> on what size spar slot to incorporate.
> My priorities are Safety, Weight and cost in that order.
> I weigh a little over 200 lbs, and will likely have passengers in that ran
ge.
> I am attempting to keep my weight down as low as possible. Yes, I know if I
were to lose some weight, that would also help me.
> I had initially decided on a 1" routed spar.
> My concerns with that are weight, and my ability to rout an expensive blan
k
> without screwing it up. I also hate to waste the wood that will be routed o
ut.
> Ultimately, I'm sure I can eventually determine how to rout it out.
> I have seen mention, and some drawings of the "UK box spar"
> I have spent hours using the search function, but have not seen a solid
> opinion, and explanation of this design.
>> =46rom what I understand, this is a required method in the UK for Piet bu
ilders. Apparently it is quite light, and strong. =46rom my model airplane
> experience, it seems like a great option, that includes a strong D box.
>> =46rom what I have read, this is a modification that has actually been pr
operly stress analyzed.
> I have read many times, just build it as Bernard designed it. I get that, a
nd may very well do exactly that.
> I am seeking qualified opinions on the UK box spar idea. In my mind (somet
imes a dangerous place) this seems stronger, lighter, and less expensive opt
ion.
> I do have a complete woodworking shop to fabricate any type of spar.
> I would appreciate any input form people that truly understand the box spa
r design.
> Here are a couple of links in which it was discussed:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=65138&postdays=0&postorder
=asc&start=0&sid=c79b4120a295a0875655e3c1870c5f8a
>
> http://pietenpol.cpc-world.com/?page_id=4376
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472946#472946
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
| From: | "braywood" <braywood(at)hotmail.com> |
Here is a part of the UK spar drawing - gives you an idea of how it is built -
similar to Jack's, but the web is on the front side of the spar. Several areas
are blocked in with additional spruce between the caps and some sections of 1/8"
ply on the backside as well.
I have not built mine yet, but will use this design, as it requires much smaller
pieces of wood! I am told it has been analysed, but have not been able to get
any of that info. It is supposed to be good to 1200lb.
Mark
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Help with Spar Decision |
Not UK box spar but worth investigating...
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Construction/I%20Beam%20Analysis.pdf
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ozzietx
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 10:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Help with Spar Decision
I am in the process of building my rib jig, and need to make a decision on
what size spar slot to incorporate.
My priorities are Safety, Weight and cost in that order.
I weigh a little over 200 lbs, and will likely have passengers in that
range.
I am attempting to keep my weight down as low as possible. Yes, I know if I
were to lose some weight, that would also help me.
I had initially decided on a 1" routed spar.
My concerns with that are weight, and my ability to rout an expensive blank
without screwing it up. I also hate to waste the wood that will be routed
out.
Ultimately, I'm sure I can eventually determine how to rout it out.
I have seen mention, and some drawings of the "UK box spar"
I have spent hours using the search function, but have not seen a solid
opinion, and explanation of this design.
>From what I understand, this is a required method in the UK for Piet
>builders. Apparently it is quite light, and strong. From my model
>airplane
experience, it seems like a great option, that includes a strong D box.
>From what I have read, this is a modification that has actually been
properly stress analyzed.
I have read many times, just build it as Bernard designed it. I get that,
and may very well do exactly that.
I am seeking qualified opinions on the UK box spar idea. In my mind
(sometimes a dangerous place) this seems stronger, lighter, and less
expensive option.
I do have a complete woodworking shop to fabricate any type of spar.
I would appreciate any input form people that truly understand the box spar
design.
Here are a couple of links in which it was discussed:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=65138&postdays=0&postorder=asc&s
tart=0&sid=c79b4120a295a0875655e3c1870c5f8a
http://pietenpol.cpc-world.com/?page_id=4376
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472946#472946
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| Subject: | Re: Cont. 0200 prop pitch |
Heavy Iron wrote:
> Hi Patricia,
>
> I have a McCauley 71-46 that turns about 2275 static on a C85 if you want to
try it. I am based at CGV2 which I think is near you.
>
> Cheers,
> Ron
Hi Ron,
That's very nice of you to let me try your 71-46 but I think it
would be a little too coarse a pitch.
So far I've tried:
The original wood 74-38 which was way too fine. Overspeeded on take-off
and in level flight.
A wood 72-40 which produced full throttle static rpm of 2625
[ we also flight tested this one and it overspeeded in level flight but not on
take-off.
A metal 73-45 which produced full throttle static rpm of 2375
[ we didn't flight test this one]
Yes, CGV2 is near me.
Cheers,
Patricia
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout Plans |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Back on Sept. 7, Doug wrote-
>By my estimate your pilot CG at 49.64" from the leading edge leaned back 4"
>would be about 11" forward of the seat back and bottom intersection if your
>plane is built according to the long fuselage plans. Or about 7.5" if the seat
>back is at a 15 degree angle as Ray built his Sky Scout. I imagine it is
>somewhere between those two values.
OK, today I spent some time taking measurements of my airplane with the fuselage
leveled and plumb bobs dropped off the leading and trailing edges of the wing.
Some very interesting findings, some that surprised even myself.
1. The wing chord on NX41CC is actually 60.5", apparently due to the metal trailing
edge piece extending an extra 1/2" past the tails of the ribs as compared
to plans. All this time I've been using 60" and never checked it. Lesson No.
1.
2. The cabanes are 23-1/4" (front) and 22-1/2" (rear) between pivot points, which
makes them 2" taller (front) and 2-1/4" taller (rear) than plans. This raises
the wing a little and subtracts 1 degree from the angle of incidence. Again,
I never knew this about my airplane, so Lesson No. 2. I do know that it is
very difficult to ever get a sharp or crisp stall, especially power-off, so
perhaps slightly less wing incidence is the cause.
3. The cabanes are actually tilted back 3-1/2" from the vertical, and I've always
thought that they were tilted back 4". Lesson No. 3. Boy, why did I ever
think I knew this airplane? ;o) This gives me just a bit of encouragement that
I can still incline the cabanes back a tad if I ever need to adjust the CG
to get it forward a bit more.
4. The rear seat back on NX41CC is not perfectly square in both directions so all
I can say is that it's somewhere between 83.7 and 84 degrees from the vertical
(inclined back about 6 degrees), which places it just about exactly where
the geometry works out from the plans. I fly very little of the time sitting
in the complete upright position, so I have never felt like the seat back is too
straight for me. My seat back has a little bit of naugahyde-covered foam padding
and that seems to be fine.
5. The corner where the pilot's seat back meets the pilot's seat bottom is 1.5"
forward of the wing trailing edge. With the pilot's CG at a measured/computed
49.64" aft of the wing leading edge, that places the pilot's CG 9.36" forward
of the bottom corner of the seat bottom. Doug said it would be somewhere between
7.5" and 11" forward of the corner. Halfway between those two values would
be 9.25", so his math was wayyyy off... a good 7/64" off ;o) Doug, you're
*good* with numbers-!!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | John Woods <jawesma(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
Just a word of caution. If you decide to build the Jim Will's "UK Box Spar"
then be aware that the wing design has changed from the original.
The Jim Will's design has a different strut attachment point on the wing
and four bay's per wing panel rather than three.
I'm sure the strut attachment location is significant in the Will's spar
design.
Whether the four bay has any significance to the final design strength, I'm
not sure.
I am building my wing using Jim will's design as I can't afford to purchase
solid spruce spars here in Australia.
JohnW
On 17 September 2017 at 23:51, Ozzietx wrote:
>
> I am in the process of building my rib jig, and need to make a decision
> on what size spar slot to incorporate.
> My priorities are Safety, Weight and cost in that order.
> I weigh a little over 200 lbs, and will likely have passengers in that
> range.
> I am attempting to keep my weight down as low as possible. Yes, I know if
> I were to lose some weight, that would also help me.
> I had initially decided on a 1" routed spar.
> My concerns with that are weight, and my ability to rout an expensive blank
> without screwing it up. I also hate to waste the wood that will be routed
> out.
> Ultimately, I'm sure I can eventually determine how to rout it out.
> I have seen mention, and some drawings of the "UK box spar"
> I have spent hours using the search function, but have not seen a solid
> opinion, and explanation of this design.
> >From what I understand, this is a required method in the UK for Piet
> builders. Apparently it is quite light, and strong. From my model airplane
> experience, it seems like a great option, that includes a strong D box.
> >From what I have read, this is a modification that has actually been
> properly stress analyzed.
> I have read many times, just build it as Bernard designed it. I get that,
> and may very well do exactly that.
> I am seeking qualified opinions on the UK box spar idea. In my mind
> (sometimes a dangerous place) this seems stronger, lighter, and less
> expensive option.
> I do have a complete woodworking shop to fabricate any type of spar.
> I would appreciate any input form people that truly understand the box
> spar design.
> Here are a couple of links in which it was discussed:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=65138&
> postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=c79b4120a295a0875655e3c1870c5f8a
>
> http://pietenpol.cpc-world.com/?page_id=4376
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472946#472946
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
"The Jim Will's design has a different strut attachment point on the wing and four
bay's per wing panel rather than three."
John,
I am looking at my Pietenpol plans, specifically, Drawing #5 dated 3/3/34 and
drawn by Orrin Hoopman. I see two bays per wing with the lift strut attach point
at the compression struts and the point where the two bays converge. What plans
show three bays? What plans show four?
Am I missing something?
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | John Woods <jawesma(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
Sorry, my mistake. You're correct. I should have written two bays on the
original and three bays on the Will's. My bad. Thanks for the correction
Terry.
On 18 Sep. 2017 17:35, "jarheadpilot82" wrote:
jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
"The Jim Will's design has a different strut attachment point on the wing
and four bay's per wing panel rather than three."
John,
I am looking at my Pietenpol plans, specifically, Drawing #5 dated 3/3/34
and drawn by Orrin Hoopman. I see two bays per wing with the lift strut
attach point at the compression struts and the point where the two bays
converge. What plans show three bays? What plans show four?
Am I missing something?
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout Plans |
| From: | "DonkDoug" <douglas.wright(at)okstate.edu> |
Oscar,
Those are some interesting numbers you came up with. And I'm glad to know my math
was not too far off!
Doug
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| From: | John Woods <jawesma(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
I should emphasize though that the different strut attachment point in the
Will's design still stands and should be taken into consideration if using
his soar design. It would be wise NOT to use his spar design unless you are
building from his wing design.
JohnW
On 18 Sep. 2017 23:09, "John Woods" wrote:
> Sorry, my mistake. You're correct. I should have written two bays on the
> original and three bays on the Will's. My bad. Thanks for the correction
> Terry.
>
> On 18 Sep. 2017 17:35, "jarheadpilot82"
> wrote:
>
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> "The Jim Will's design has a different strut attachment point on the wing
> and four bay's per wing panel rather than three."
>
> John,
>
> I am looking at my Pietenpol plans, specifically, Drawing #5 dated 3/3/34
> and drawn by Orrin Hoopman. I see two bays per wing with the lift strut
> attach point at the compression struts and the point where the two bays
> converge. What plans show three bays? What plans show four?
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472973#472973
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
John,
No worries. I just wanted to make sure that I was reading the correct set of plans.
I agree with you that is not a good idea to combine different plans and methods
for such critical items a spars and wing design. Without having the ability or
the funds to pay someone with the ability to analyze the proposed combination,
I would caution someone before doing so.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
| From: | "johnnysdrop" <johnnysdrop(at)googlemail.com> |
Ozzietx
I am using the Jim Wills design wing and have built the spars, it is straightforward.
Of note this design is not a box spar, it has a full ply backing on 1 face only
and the
other face has ply where there is blocking.
Also of note this is a 3 piece wing and must use a front jury strut.
Please note this design is used in conjunction with the Hoopman drawings for the
remainder of the aeroplane.
Regards
English Johnny
--------
The only way is UP
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| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
One other point to keep in mind, regarding the UK spar design is that it is to
be used in conjunction with the leading edge 1/16" plywood wrapping from the top
of the front spar all the way around the leading edge, to the bottom of the
front spar (practically creating D-cell), as opposed to the original Pietenpol
plans which only have the plywood skin on the top side. This added leading
edge ply likely is a significant contributor to the claims of being "stronger".
The overall weight of the built-up spar, plus the extra leading edge ply is not
significantly lighter than the original routed Spruce spars with original leading
edge ply. Cost-wise, there also isn't much savings to be had, in North America,
at least. Likely a different story in other parts of the world.
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| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
| From: | "Ozzietx" <ozzietx(at)gmail.com> |
I want to thank everyone for their responses.
Since I can get S2 spar spruce in Houston for around $11 Bd Ft,
and I have the ability to rip, and plane that stock,
I think I'll just go with routed 1" spars.
I really appreciate all of the input though, it has been educational.
I did not realize that the Jim Wills spar was part of a structural re-design of
the original wing.
While I like the design, I will just keep doing what I hear.
Just build it like Bernard designed it.
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| From: | Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
That's The smartest thing I've heard yet in this discussion. I'm fortunate in that
I build Stearman biplanes for a living do you realize that the main spar in
a stearman wing has the same dimensions as what Mr Pietenpol calls for in his
wing?
The story is that WWII instructors would try to break them by overstressing
in a dive. It couldn't be done. Stearman spars aren't routed like what you're
talking about but that was more of a manufacturing process issue than caring
about saving a little weight
One other curiosity as a testament to just how robust the pietenpol really
is. Stearman cap strips:7/32 square 1/16 gussets. Pietenpol capstrips:1/2 X1/4.
Centers about the same. Same warren truss beefier nose rib gussets aluminum
sheeted l.e.for Stearman
> On Sep 18, 2017, at 4:44 PM, Ozzietx wrote:
>
>
> I want to thank everyone for their responses.
> Since I can get S2 spar spruce in Houston for around $11 Bd Ft,
> and I have the ability to rip, and plane that stock,
> I think I'll just go with routed 1" spars.
>
> I really appreciate all of the input though, it has been educational.
>
> I did not realize that the Jim Wills spar was part of a structural re-design
of the original wing.
>
> While I like the design, I will just keep doing what I hear.
>
> Just build it like Bernard designed it.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=472998#472998
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| From: | Brian <wings.wheels29(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Any Pietenpols near Livermore? |
> Any Pietenpol's near Livermore California? Down here for work for a few days.
Brian
Meridian, ID
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| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Actually, jury struts need to be used on both 1 piece and 3 piece wings
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout Plans |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Just measured the deck angle of my airplane with it sitting on the ground in 3-point
attitude: almost exactly 11 degrees. Knowing now that my wing is set with
about 1 degree less incidence than it should have, I think I need to get the
nose a bit higher. I had already been thinking about getting some slightly
fatter tires (does anybody happen to know what size tires are on NX13691, "The
Allen Rudolph Piet"?)- mine are 6.00x6 and I'm looking at some 8.00x6 weenies.
Somewhere or the other I have a comparative analysis of the Piet airfoil vs. the
Cub's USA35B and I'm curious as to what the lift looks like vs. the Piet at
the same angle of attack. Jack wrote that the Cub has a 13 degree deck angle
and that puts the wing close to the critical AOA, so I should be able to get
some good info out of that comparison.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout Plans |
Oscar, to get 15 degree deck angle, I had to jack my Pietenpol up quite a
bit. I will check the angle when I go out next.
Blue Skies,
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 3:41 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Just measured the deck angle of my airplane with it sitting on the ground
> in 3-point attitude: almost exactly 11 degrees. Knowing now that my wing
> is set with about 1 degree less incidence than it should have, I think I
> need to get the nose a bit higher. I had already been thinking about
> getting some slightly fatter tires (does anybody happen to know what size
> tires are on NX13691, "The Allen Rudolph Piet"?)- mine are 6.00x6 and I'm
> looking at some 8.00x6 weenies.
>
> Somewhere or the other I have a comparative analysis of the Piet airfoil
> vs. the Cub's USA35B and I'm curious as to what the lift looks like vs. the
> Piet at the same angle of attack. Jack wrote that the Cub has a 13 degree
> deck angle and that puts the wing close to the critical AOA, so I should be
> able to get some good info out of that comparison.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
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Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | "(null) raykrause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout Plans |
Oscar,
So at what deck angle do most Piets stall? Did I miss something? My SkyScou
t's 3-point deck angle is 14-14.5 degrees. Seems pretty steep. My 7AC is ab
out 12 degrees and I don't know where it stalls power-off. But it seems quit
e a bit higher that the 3-point angle.
I will have to deflate my tires a bit....since the brakes might be pretty lo
usy! I will test taxi as soon as I patch a hole in the wing. Damn antenna o
n the Waiex!
Does anyone remember the pounds of pull on the "Official Fish Scale" that ha
s been ruled to be adequate? I don't have the "Official" scale. But one simi
lar! Could not be too far off!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Steven Dortch wro
te:
>
> Oscar, to get 15 degree deck angle, I had to jack my Pietenpol up quite a b
it. I will check the angle when I go out next.
>
> Blue Skies,
>
>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 3:41 PM, taildrags wrote:
>>
>> Just measured the deck angle of my airplane with it sitting on the ground
in 3-point attitude: almost exactly 11 degrees. Knowing now that my wing i
s set with about 1 degree less incidence than it should have, I think I need
to get the nose a bit higher. I had already been thinking about getting so
me slightly fatter tires (does anybody happen to know what size tires are on
NX13691, "The Allen Rudolph Piet"?)- mine are 6.00x6 and I'm looking at som
e 8.00x6 weenies.
>>
>> Somewhere or the other I have a comparative analysis of the Piet airfoil v
s. the Cub's USA35B and I'm curious as to what the lift looks like vs. the P
iet at the same angle of attack. Jack wrote that the Cub has a 13 degree d
eck angle and that puts the wing close to the critical AOA, so I should be a
ble to get some good info out of that comparison.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
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> Steve D
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| From: | Richard Schreiber <lmforge(at)earthlink.net> |
Oscar,
There was some discussion at Brodhead this year about this very thing.
The few builders I talked to all agreed that the critical AOA on a Piet
should be around 12.5 degrees for the deck angle. That being said , many
Piets are much less than that. On mine, my deck angle is 12.5 degrees.
With all the stuff I have under the tail post ---"A" frame, spring and
tail wheel, I had to make my gear legs a little longer to go that high.
NX478RS flys well, but there is no way I can step into the rear pit
without an attached step.
Rick Schreiber
NX478RS
Valparaiso, IN
On 9/27/2017 3:41 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Just measured the deck angle of my airplane with it sitting on the ground in
3-point attitude: almost exactly 11 degrees. Knowing now that my wing is set
with about 1 degree less incidence than it should have, I think I need to get
the nose a bit higher. I had already been thinking about getting some slightly
fatter tires (does anybody happen to know what size tires are on NX13691, "The
Allen Rudolph Piet"?)- mine are 6.00x6 and I'm looking at some 8.00x6 weenies.
>
> Somewhere or the other I have a comparative analysis of the Piet airfoil vs.
the Cub's USA35B and I'm curious as to what the lift looks like vs. the Piet at
the same angle of attack. Jack wrote that the Cub has a 13 degree deck angle
and that puts the wing close to the critical AOA, so I should be able to get
some good info out of that comparison.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout Plans |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve D.- never said I wanted to get 15 degrees. Others have said that anything
over 13 is probably excessive. That sounds like it's been echoed by several
others, including Rick's comment about a general agreement from others about
12.5 degrees being the target.
Rick S.- my airplane has a step for getting into the rear cockpit... never tried
"giant stride" stepping into it! And since my deck angle is at 11 degrees,
my airplane is about 1.5 degrees nose-down from optimum for full-stalling it in
the 3-point attitude. However, my wing is also set at 1 degree *less* incidence
than the plans call for, so now my wing is about 2.5 degrees nose-down from
optimum. I'm going to try some larger tires (wanted to anyway), but just studying
it in AutoCAD, I'll probably only get 1 to 1.5 degrees more deck angle,
so I'll still be short of optimum but should be better. This is experimental
aviation!
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I thought I'd change the subject line to reflect the actual topic of discussion
here ;o)
I just reviewed the plans (Orrin Hoopman's 1-19-33 plans, Drawing No. 1) and it
calls for 2 degrees of incidence on the wing, achieved by making the rear cabane
struts 1" shorter than the front ones. The cabanes on my airplane are not
built per plans, but after studying their actual geometry in AutoCAD, when my
cabanes are canted back by 3-1/2" from the vertical as they are, my wing incidence
is within 1/2 of a degree of what it's supposed to be, or about 1.5 degrees.
I can probably get that half-degree back after changing out my main gear
tires to the 8.00x6s as I'm planning to do.
Now to the broader topic of the deck angle. It has been said by several Piet pilots
that they feel like a deck angle of 12.5 degrees is about right. With another
2 degrees of incidence built into the wing, that puts the AOA of the wing
in the 3-point landing configuration at about 14.5 degrees. I took the liberty
of snipping a small section from Michael Shuck's very interesting paper called
"Commentary On The Pietenpol Airfoil", copyright 2004 by Michael, full credit
and admiration is here given to Mike for both being a Piet lover and for
having tremendous skill in the analysis of airfoils. That snip is attached.
Highlighted in yellow is the region of interest, which is the region where the
coefficient of lift Cl reaches its maximum... the critical AOA. The first column
on the left is alpha, the angle of attack. The second column is the coefficient
of lift. Notice that Cl is at its maximum at an alpha of around 14 degrees,
and it drops off at higher angles of attack.
Hmmm... sounds like the seat-of-the-pants Piet pilots know just as much as the
aerodynamicists! My conclusion here is that if a Pietenpol airfoil is operated
at a deck angle of 12.5 degrees in the landing configuration, it is just about
at the critical AOA and if the airspeed is dropping, the wing will be stalling.
Perfect. I don't consciously try to land my airplane tailwheel-first because
I generally find that that will cause porpoising to start, but theoretically
it would land nearer to full-stall if I held the nose a bit higher than I
normally do at touchdown.
I'm very interested to do some flight testing in calm morning air with the bigger
tires. They are on their way here from Colorado Springs as we speak...
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
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| From: | "bickersKEVIN" <bickerskevin(at)gmail.com> |
Howdy Oscar,
I love a good discussion about a/c configuration, but beware of deck angle vs angle-of-incidence!
Angle-of-incidence is referenced from wing chord line to the
top longeron, while deck angle is ground-plane referenced to top longeron. So
a bigger tire will indeed increase your deck angle, allowing a greater angle-of-attack
(alpha) during t/o and landing but it will not change the angle-of-incidence.
You are absolutely right about wanting to get as close to possible
to the critical alpha during this phase for the slowest possible forward velocity.
Think of landing gear geometry (including tire size) controlling deck angle
and the cabane struts controlling angle-of-incidence. The ideal configuration
would give (deck angle + angle-of-incidence) = (critical alpha), while keeping
the angle-of-incidence at Mr. Pietenpol's recommended values.
The Piet seems to allow for some wiggle room in rigging but your missing 0.5deg
of wing angle-of-incidence (i_W) would theoretically reduce the full-up pitch
authority of your tail assuming the horizontal stab angle-of-incidence (i_H)
is rigged to plans at 0deg to top longeron. Honestly, I think a lot of these small
control characteristics are lost in the noise when comparing Piets, due to
the vast number of areas for small differences in each build!
YMMV, but in my experience a tailwheel first landing actually decreases the chance
of a porpoise when compared to a mains first touchdown. It is essentially
the same principal as a tricycle a/c, where in our case the CG is forward of the
tailwheel but aft of the mains. Inertia in the tailwheel first landing will
cause the mains to 'plop' down while decreasing alpha, reducing lift and the
possibility of said porpoise. On the other hand, in a mains first landing the
CG aft of the ground contact point will continue downwards, increasing alpha (and
lift). This scenerio is described nicely in "The Compleat Taildragger Pilot"
by Harvey Plourde, where he calls the porpoise a 'jounce' (And I know that's
not how complete is spelled but that's actually the title of the book!).
Regardless, I bet you will like your new tires! Hopefully you can do some comparison
testing in nice calm conditions to see if there is any appreciable change
in t/o and landing speed.
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Kevin Bickers
Tehachapi, CA
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Kevin; my kinda guy... numbers, angles, all that stuff ;o) Believe me, I read
and re-read what I wrote so as to be as clear as I could be about the angles,
relative wind, angle of incidence, and all the rest of it. What I did *not* bring
into the discussion was laziness. Yes, I know I could rework the cabanes
to restore the angle of incidence that is called for in the original design but
it's fussy work for someone who is not a welder nor set up for metal working.
I know a superb welder and he could do it for me. However, as I posted earlier,
seeing the in-flight photos of my airplane from the eclipse weekend flight,
I didn't like the proportion of the tires to the rest of the airplane and
I was already thinking about going to a bit larger and plumper tires. Once I
got to studying the deck angle and wing incidence, it occurred to me that going
to taller tires would put the nose higher in the three-point attitude and that
might help me land with the wing nearer to critical AOA. The lazy man's work-around
for adjusting for a shortage of wing incidence ;o)
At touchdown in the three-point attitude the deck angle is the angle while sitting
static on the ground, so at that instant the AOA if the airplane is neither
climbing nor descending should be = deck angle + wing angle of incidence and
should be = critical AOA if that's the target (and it is, in this case). That's
my story and I'm sticking to it!
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "bickersKEVIN" <bickerskevin(at)gmail.com> |
Hopefully those news tires help! What size are currently on your plane? And I didn't
mean to imply that your cabanes need any fixin' cause that's defintely no
short order! I also meant to ask, do you have a full CAD model of your
Piet??
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Kevin Bickers
Tehachapi, CA
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Whoa. Back up the truck just a little bit there, Kevin! You wrote something very
interesting when you said that a little less wing angle of incidence might
reduce the full-up pitch authority of the tail assuming that the horizontal stabilizer
is rigged at 0 degrees (mounted flat onto the top longeron), which mine
is. In fact, I find that I can't really power-off stall the airplane to a
noticeable break unless I almost whip-stall it, which would seem to bear out what
you're saying. I have plenty of room to bring the stick all the way aft (others
have mentioned that being 'profound round' means you might not be able
to get the stick all the way aft), but even so all I get is mushing and nodding...
never a true stall break.
Interesting observation! Maybe the next improvement to 41CC will be having my
welder friend Jeff Sterling correct the cabane geometry. I've been threatening
to have him rework the main gear leg upper pivots on the airplane anyway, because
they have always had just a bit of slop due to the holes being ever-so-slightly
larger than the bolts, and I haven't wanted to ream them out to move up
a bolt size for fear of thinning the metal too much at the pivot/attach points.
Taxiing on rough ground, my gear makes a definite soft clunking as the gear
leg pivots bounce around on the bolts.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "bickersKEVIN" <bickerskevin(at)gmail.com> |
That lack of a true stall may just be a nicely behaved plane! In our Pacer I have
a similar situation where it never really breaks (just kind of a constant descent
rate mush) unless it's heavy and I really force a stall. Every Piet is
different but during the initial stall series testing in ours, I got very little
break, enough for a falling leaf maneuver (sounds like your mushing and nodding),
but nothing as sharp as say a Citabria (which is not really much of a stall
either!).
My comment about full elevator authority stems from the wing-to-horizontal relative
angle. According to your numbers earlier, you have about 1.5deg instead of
2deg relative. This could be solved by giving the horizontal stab -0.5deg angle-of-incidence
(i_H), but then you would have a non-standard deck angle. Sooo
it would probably be better to rework the wing cabanes or just accept that your
Piet has some nice gentle stall characteristics :)
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Kevin Bickers
Tehachapi, CA
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Kevin; I'll take what you said on the positive side: the airplane has very mild
stall characteristics!
Regarding tires, right now I've got 6.00x6 Desser Aero Trainer tires on the airplane.
The ones I've got coming are Condor 8.00x6s.
And as to your last question, I don't have the complete Air Camper in .dwg CAD
format but I do have some of the basic elements such as the side view framing,
the wing rib, and some landing gear (mains and t/w) set to the geometry of my
airplane. I use these for studying various things, like what I'm doing now.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "oldbird" <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
I am building my Air Camper from CAD drawings. Although slightly different from
the original, they may help.
Semih Oksay
Istanbul, Turkey
C90 engine
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Just got the Condor tires. No time to mount them right now, but here are a couple
of pix of how the 8.00x6s look next to the 6.00x6s. I've got the weights
of both new and existing tires and tubes and will look at what effect it might
have on W&B, but other than bumping up the empty weight a bit, it shouldn't change
much. I'm keen to fly them to see how she lands with a bit steeper deck
angle.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
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A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "(null) raykrause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Oscar,
The larger tires certainly look better! But be aware the you will be going a LOT
slower with all that additional drag! Maybe you could fill them with water
(as in tractor tires) to get some extra weight up front....but you're not tail
heavy?
Ray Krause
SkyScout coming along s-l-o-w-l-y!
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 6, 2017, at 8:31 AM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> Just got the Condor tires. No time to mount them right now, but here are a couple
of pix of how the 8.00x6s look next to the 6.00x6s. I've got the weights
of both new and existing tires and tubes and will look at what effect it might
have on W&B, but other than bumping up the empty weight a bit, it shouldn't
change much. I'm keen to fly them to see how she lands with a bit steeper deck
angle.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Ray; I can't imagine that the larger tires will make that big a difference in cruise
airspeed, especially since my throttle is typically only set about 60% open
in cruise. I run my A75 more like an A65 and the fuel burn reflects that
conservative power setting. I have the power available to overcome the additional
drag.
My empty CG is at roughly 13" aft of datum (wing L.E.) and the main gear axles
are at about 6.8" aft of datum, so heavier tires will move the CG forward by just
a tad. I'll know more once I weigh the new tires and tubes compared to the
old ones.
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Medford, OR
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A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar, it is unseemly to brag about the high performance of your 75 hp
monster.vs the morning pedestrian A65.
Seriously, is there much difference?
On Oct 7, 2017 11:27 AM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Ray; I can't imagine that the larger tires will make that big a difference
> in cruise airspeed, especially since my throttle is typically only set
> about 60% open in cruise. I run my A75 more like an A65 and the fuel burn
> reflects that conservative power setting. I have the power available to
> overcome the additional drag.
>
> My empty CG is at roughly 13" aft of datum (wing L.E.) and the main gear
> axles are at about 6.8" aft of datum, so heavier tires will move the CG
> forward by just a tad. I'll know more once I weigh the new tires and tubes
> compared to the old ones.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
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| From: | "(null) raykrause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Oscar,
I'm sure you will see no difference In your plane's performance or W/B. I k
new you had it all figured out.....as our resident aeronautical engineer! I
really appreciate all you writings and calculations regarding all things Pi
etenpol.
Thanks for everything,
Ray Krause
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> On Oct 7, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Steven Dortch wro
te:
>
> Oscar, it is unseemly to brag about the high performance of your 75 hp mon
ster.vs the morning pedestrian A65.
>
> Seriously, is there much difference?
>
>> On Oct 7, 2017 11:27 AM, "taildrags" wrote:
>>
>> Ray; I can't imagine that the larger tires will make that big a differenc
e in cruise airspeed, especially since my throttle is typically only set abo
ut 60% open in cruise. I run my A75 more like an A65 and the fuel burn refl
ects that conservative power setting. I have the power available to overcom
e the additional drag.
>>
>> My empty CG is at roughly 13" aft of datum (wing L.E.) and the main gear a
xles are at about 6.8" aft of datum, so heavier tires will move the CG forwa
rd by just a tad. I'll know more once I weigh the new tires and tubes compa
red to the old ones.
>>
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>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve; the A75 is basically just an A65 that has some modifications that provide
adidtional lubrication and cooling when the engine is run at higher RPM to put
out more power. The engines have the same bore, stroke, and compression ratio.
The A65 makes its rated power at 2300 RPM and the A75 makes its rated power
by turning up past that to 2600.
Both my A65 and A75 run the Stromberg NAS3-A1 carb with 1-1/4" venturi and #49
main jet. When I was flying with the A65, I never had the throttle firewalled
in cruise either... there was virtually no difference in cruise speed by pushing
the throttle in our out that last about 15% so I ran it where it felt right,
which was 2200-2250. I run the A75 about 2400. Prop selection is what lets
the A75 wind up to a higher RPM than the A65.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
Is climb much better? Load hauling?
On Oct 7, 2017 4:25 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Steve; the A75 is basically just an A65 that has some modifications that
> provide adidtional lubrication and cooling when the engine is run at higher
> RPM to put out more power. The engines have the same bore, stroke, and
> compression ratio. The A65 makes its rated power at 2300 RPM and the A75
> makes its rated power by turning up past that to 2600.
>
> Both my A65 and A75 run the Stromberg NAS3-A1 carb with 1-1/4" venturi and
> #49 main jet. When I was flying with the A65, I never had the throttle
> firewalled in cruise either... there was virtually no difference in cruise
> speed by pushing the throttle in our out that last about 15% so I ran it
> where it felt right, which was 2200-2250. I run the A75 about 2400. Prop
> selection is what lets the A75 wind up to a higher RPM than the A65.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473414#473414
>
>
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve; this is Aero 101: there are four basic forces that act on an airplane in
flight: gravity, lift, thrust, and drag. We can't change gravity, so that leaves
us three variables. Of those three, drag is pretty much a characteristic
of our airframe and accessories, but we really don't see a lot of streamlined
Air Campers so drag is going to be proportional to velocity. Most Air Campers
all cruise in a pretty narrow range of airspeeds, so we can almost treat drag
as a constant too. Yes, we can use fairings to reduce intersection drag where
struts meet the fuselage and wings, and we can install wheel pants to reduce
drag from the landing gear and maybe do a little better than a stock airplane.
The rest of it is parasite drag from the wing, plus drag from the brace wires
and the "flat plate" surface area that the airplane presents to the oncoming
air. Bottom line, we can't do too much about drag.
That leaves two variables: lift and thrust. The Pietenpol airfoil is pretty efficient
at producing lift and it's got a lot of surface area, so it can lift quite
a bit of weight at a good rate of climb if you can keep the air moving over
it at a good airspeed. Thrust is what it takes to overcome drag, which increases
airspeed, which increases lift, which overcomes gravity. So thrust is
king, and it's horsepower that produces thrust, so that's our big variable.
The basic powerplant for the Air Camper is a nominal 40HP Ford engine (some say
35HP, so we'll say somewhere in that range but 40 is a nice round number). With
that amount of power, the Air Camper can get two people off the ground with
the airplane at max gross, but it's not going to climb very well. The Ford
A engine has enough excess thrust to overcome the airplane's drag, which keeps
the air moving over the wing at a decent rate, which creates enough lift to get
the airplane and its load off the ground and climbing, which overcomes gravity.
So let's develop a very theoretical situation where we have a 2500 ft long
runway with a fully-loaded Ford A-powered Air Camper taking off at one end.
If it takes off, climbs out, and flies a rectangular traffic pattern that puts
it at traffic pattern altitude of 900 AGL by the time it's abeam the numbers
for power reduction for landing, it will have flown maybe 8000 ft through the
air at 50 MPH, so let's round it off and say the airplane may have taken 2 minutes
to climb the 900 ft to pattern altitude, for a climb rate of 450 ft/min.
The next most common engine in the Air Camper is the A65, which provides (on paper,
at least) about 60% more horsepower than the Ford. Since the Ford is quite
capable of doing the job of lifting a fully-loaded Air Camper off the ground,
a lot of the A65's 25 additional horsepower is available to develop excess
thrust, which provides a better rate of climb with a full load. It won't increase
the climb rate by 60% to 720 ft/min, but let's just say it does. That means
the airplane could climb to pattern altitude in 1.25 minutes, putting it
at pattern altitude when it gets abeam the numbers at the departure end of the
runway (more or less), rather than when abeam the numbers at the approach end.
Just talking hypothetically now, but when I used to fly that kind of a square
pattern flying out of San Geronimo, I may have been able to achieve that on
a good day.
My A75 can produce maybe 80% more power than the Ford, so a lot of its 35 additional
horsepower is available to develop excess thrust to provide a better rate
of climb with a full load. Playing the same theoretical game as with the A65,
let's say the climb rate on my airplane is now 810 ft/min and I can maintain
it all the way to pattern altitude if I fly the airplane at 50MPH. I should
be able to get to pattern altitude in just a little over a minute, which means
I would be at pattern altitude as I turn onto the downwind leg from crosswind.
Pretty optimistic, I may have seen that kind of performance on one or two
cold mornings when everything was perfect, but stay with me now for the rest.
The O-200 and the Corvair can each produce about 100HP... about 150% more power
than the Ford. If I use the same ratio of rates of climb, that would mean that
a Corvair or O-200 powered Air Camper could make a climb rate of 1125 ft/min
in the same scenario and I should be at pattern altitude in 48 seconds, which
would put me at pattern altitude just before I turn onto the crosswind leg on
takeoff. I would have to ask the PietVair pilots out there whether their airplanes
can take off from a 2500 ft strip, climb out at 50 MPH at full gross,
and be at pattern altitude before turning crosswind after leaving the runway departure
end threshold about 1000 feet behind them, but my guess is that they
might.
On a hot day at anything higher than sea level and with little or no headwind,
all of those theoretical numbers are going to sag like a beer belly, and I've
only created these scenarios to provide food for thought.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
So Oscar, you really don't know! Ducking and running.
Your discussion makes sense. My experience is with Cessna 150s vs 152s. The
150 has a 100 hp Continental vs the 152 with a 110 hp Lycoming. But I never
could tell a difference in performance.
My other experience is shopping for a Piper Tripacer. The 135hp model was a
marginal 3 placer that doesn't climb well. The 150 hp model flies really
well and hauls 4 people. The 160hp is great.
On Oct 7, 2017 10:05 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Steve; this is Aero 101: there are four basic forces that act on an
> airplane in flight: gravity, lift, thrust, and drag. We can't change
> gravity, so that leaves us three variables. Of those three, drag is pretty
> much a characteristic of our airframe and accessories, but we really don't
> see a lot of streamlined Air Campers so drag is going to be proportional to
> velocity. Most Air Campers all cruise in a pretty narrow range of
> airspeeds, so we can almost treat drag as a constant too. Yes, we can use
> fairings to reduce intersection drag where struts meet the fuselage and
> wings, and we can install wheel pants to reduce drag from the landing gear
> and maybe do a little better than a stock airplane. The rest of it is
> parasite drag from the wing, plus drag from the brace wires and the "flat
> plate" surface area that the airplane presents to the oncoming air. Bottom
> line, we can't do too much about drag.
>
> That leaves two variables: lift and thrust. The Pietenpol airfoil is
> pretty efficient at producing lift and it's got a lot of surface area, so
> it can lift quite a bit of weight at a good rate of climb if you can keep
> the air moving over it at a good airspeed. Thrust is what it takes to
> overcome drag, which increases airspeed, which increases lift, which
> overcomes gravity. So thrust is king, and it's horsepower that produces
> thrust, so that's our big variable.
>
> The basic powerplant for the Air Camper is a nominal 40HP Ford engine
> (some say 35HP, so we'll say somewhere in that range but 40 is a nice round
> number). With that amount of power, the Air Camper can get two people off
> the ground with the airplane at max gross, but it's not going to climb very
> well. The Ford A engine has enough excess thrust to overcome the
> airplane's drag, which keeps the air moving over the wing at a decent rate,
> which creates enough lift to get the airplane and its load off the ground
> and climbing, which overcomes gravity. So let's develop a very theoretical
> situation where we have a 2500 ft long runway with a fully-loaded Ford
> A-powered Air Camper taking off at one end. If it takes off, climbs out,
> and flies a rectangular traffic pattern that puts it at traffic pattern
> altitude of 900 AGL by the time it's abeam the numbers for power reduction
> for landing, it will have flown maybe 8000 ft through the air at 50 MPH, so
> let's round it off and say the a!
> irplane may have taken 2 minutes to climb the 900 ft to pattern altitude,
> for a climb rate of 450 ft/min.
>
> The next most common engine in the Air Camper is the A65, which provides
> (on paper, at least) about 60% more horsepower than the Ford. Since the
> Ford is quite capable of doing the job of lifting a fully-loaded Air Camper
> off the ground, a lot of the A65's 25 additional horsepower is available
> to develop excess thrust, which provides a better rate of climb with a full
> load. It won't increase the climb rate by 60% to 720 ft/min, but let's
> just say it does. That means the airplane could climb to pattern altitude
> in 1.25 minutes, putting it at pattern altitude when it gets abeam the
> numbers at the departure end of the runway (more or less), rather than when
> abeam the numbers at the approach end. Just talking hypothetically now,
> but when I used to fly that kind of a square pattern flying out of San
> Geronimo, I may have been able to achieve that on a good day.
>
> My A75 can produce maybe 80% more power than the Ford, so a lot of its 35
> additional horsepower is available to develop excess thrust to provide a
> better rate of climb with a full load. Playing the same theoretical game
> as with the A65, let's say the climb rate on my airplane is now 810 ft/min
> and I can maintain it all the way to pattern altitude if I fly the airplane
> at 50MPH. I should be able to get to pattern altitude in just a little
> over a minute, which means I would be at pattern altitude as I turn onto
> the downwind leg from crosswind. Pretty optimistic, I may have seen that
> kind of performance on one or two cold mornings when everything was
> perfect, but stay with me now for the rest.
>
> The O-200 and the Corvair can each produce about 100HP... about 150% more
> power than the Ford. If I use the same ratio of rates of climb, that would
> mean that a Corvair or O-200 powered Air Camper could make a climb rate of
> 1125 ft/min in the same scenario and I should be at pattern altitude in 48
> seconds, which would put me at pattern altitude just before I turn onto the
> crosswind leg on takeoff. I would have to ask the PietVair pilots out
> there whether their airplanes can take off from a 2500 ft strip, climb out
> at 50 MPH at full gross, and be at pattern altitude before turning
> crosswind after leaving the runway departure end threshold about 1000 feet
> behind them, but my guess is that they might.
>
> On a hot day at anything higher than sea level and with little or no
> headwind, all of those theoretical numbers are going to sag like a beer
> belly, and I've only created these scenarios to provide food for thought.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473423#473423
>
>
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| Subject: | Mystery Piet from Alexandra, Minnesota |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
This was posted on the BPA forum and I thought I would re-post it here...
====
The Pasche family is looking for information in regards to a Model A Ford powered
Pietenpol built in the late 1930's. I used to play in it as child. We have
a picture of it with Dad standing by it dated 1941.
The bird was stored in the family hay Barn during WWII. It was stored with the
wing removed for about 20 years. The Family story is that Fred A. Pasche traded
a Colt Revolver for it. The bird went to Alexandra Minnesota about 1961. It
may have then been restored and went to the West Coast.
Any information on it whereabouts would be helpful. It was Red with a Silver Wing!
Best Regards,
Richard R. Pasche
======
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
Just an update, I'm still working on the ultra-piet
so far both sides of the fuselage are done, all 22 ribs are done, have the fin
and rudder built, and now working on the horizontal stab.
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| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
There are 31 ribs in my wing. How are you getting by with 22? Chuck
On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 6:38 PM, cdlwingnut wrote:
>
> Just an update, I'm still working on the ultra-piet
> so far both sides of the fuselage are done, all 22 ribs are done, have the
> fin and rudder built, and now working on the horizontal stab.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473550#473550
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
my plane is a ragwing ultra-piet not a full fledged pietenpol, plans have 10 ribs
in each wing plus 2 center ribs.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
found these at northern tool and ordered up a pair to give them a try,
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200331764_200331764
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Wingnut- those look like a good place to start. I see one of the reviewers on
the Northern Tool site used them on his 1903 Oldsmobile runabout project, but
most of the other reviews are for things like garden carts and tool carts. The
thing to watch for is going to be side loading them, such as landing on asphalt
with some side drift or crabbing going on. The gross weight of the Ultra-Piet
is listed as 550 lbs, so sitting on a pair of the Northern Tool 300 lb rated
wheels sounds OK, but maybe marginal if you drop it in hard. If you have
a choice in the matter, you should operate the airplane off of grass till you
see how it's going to handle on these wheels. Grass and sod are much more forgiving
than hard surface.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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Nice...!!! I sure hope to visit there some day.......
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| Subject: | Re: I ran into Jack Phillips |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I've never been to Virginia and may never get to meet "the" Jack Phillips, but
sure do enjoy and appreciate his contributions to sport aviation in general and
to the Pietenpol world in particular. John Cronin's story about his RON at
Jack and Karen's Bedford Landings B&B seems to characterize the kind of warm and
wonderful people who hang around Air Campers and scenic airports.
Now, I might just stand a chance of meeting "the" Jake Schultz and seeing his beautiful
Rotec-powered Air Camper since his Newport Way Air Museum is considerably
closer to where I am than Bedford Landings is. Jake, the pix of your airplane
in the current issue of the BPA Newsletter are very impressive, and if I
ever get to visit our shop, I'd sure like to see that Robert Parks layout sketch
that you framed and (I assume) have hanging at your place.
I'll have to get a Tyvek bunny suit, hair net, booties, and gloves to put on before
I enter the ultra-sanitary environment of your shop though. I have never
seen anything like that! You make Mr. Clean look like the Charlie Brown cartoon
character "Pig-Pen" ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
I have my tail feathers almost done and am thinking i should varnish them now so
they are protected while i continue building, what varnish should i use will
the minwax from menards work or is there a brand that works the best?
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| From: | Dale Johnson <ddjohn1936(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
Use Minwax Helmsman Spar Urethane. It gives good UV protection.
That is what I use.
Dale
Virus-free.
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On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 6:28 PM, cdlwingnut wrote:
>
> I have my tail feathers almost done and am thinking i should varnish them
> now so they are protected while i continue building, what varnish should i
> use will the minwax from menards work or is there a brand that works the
> best?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474451#474451
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I hope the MinWax varnish works OK... it's what I used on the wood repairs that
I've done on my Piet over the years. However, I'm not an experienced woodworker
and there are people on this list with far more experience with varnish and
finishes. I believe you'll want to leave the varnish off of wood surfaces that
you'll be adhering fabric to, although some of the covering materials may
be compatible with some of the varnishes. I would leave the wood bare where fabric
gets glued on if it were me.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Matt Keyes <keyesmp(at)yahoo.com> |
Tony Bingelis and EAA Wood are great resources on this. The single part hardware
store varnishes may not be compatible with the covering process you choose
later, so they may be fine for non-critical areas, but may separate in areas where
they interact with fabric cement later. The use of a two part epoxy in those
areas, that is proven to work with the fabric cement would be best practice.
Sincerely,
Matt Keyes
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> From: Dale Johnson <ddjohn1936(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet
>
> Use Minwax Helmsman Spar Urethane. It gives good UV protection.
>
> That is what I use.
> Dale
>
>
>
> Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
>
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 6:28 PM, cdlwingnut wrote:
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>>
>> I have my tail feathers almost done and am thinking i should varnish them
>> now so they are protected while i continue building, what varnish should i
>> use will the minwax from menards work or is there a brand that works the
>> best?
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474451#474451
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> I hope the MinWax varnish works OK... it's what I used on the wood repairs that
> I've done on my Piet over the years. However, I'm not an experienced woodworker
> and there are people on this list with far more experience with varnish and
> finishes. I believe you'll want to leave the varnish off of wood surfaces that
> you'll be adhering fabric to, although some of the covering materials may
> be compatible with some of the varnishes. I would leave the wood bare where
fabric
> gets glued on if it were me.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474478#474478
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| From: | Semih Oksay <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
I used West 105/206 epoxy to coat most of the wood parts, no varnish,
urethane, boat or otherwise. Helps pre-coating the insides of the parts
before glueing them on. You don't need to mask.
Happy landings
Semih
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On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Dale Johnson wrote:
> Use Minwax Helmsman Spar Urethane. It gives good UV protection.
>
> That is what I use.
> Dale
>
>
> Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
>
> <#m_2424776244014032181_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 6:28 PM, cdlwingnut wrote:
>
>>
>> I have my tail feathers almost done and am thinking i should varnish them
>> now so they are protected while i continue building, what varnish should i
>> use will the minwax from menards work or is there a brand that works the
>> best?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474451#474451
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| Subject: | Main Gear Spring Design |
| From: | "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> |
Is anyone flying with the van der Voort designed shock absorber design for
the maing gear. It looks like a good replacement for the BHP shock cord design.
One concern that I have though is the clearance between the 1" OD tube and 3/4"
OD tube. There is about .060" clearance between the tubes. Seems a little excessive.
Anyone with experience with this?
--------
Harv, 485PB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475829#475829
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/spring_gear_119.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Spring Design |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Here is another option. This is what I have on my Piet project.
https://flycorvair.net/2012/10/27/new-die-spring-landing-gear-on-a-pietenpol-10-a-m-4-p-m/
If you are interested, I can send you the link where I purchased my die springs.
$40.00 or so each, as I recall. Much less than Wag Aero or Wicks or ACS.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475834#475834
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| From: | vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au |
| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Spring Design |
Hi Guys,
I have just built one for my Wagabond Project.
Simple to build and looks good and strong.
PeterWonthaggi Australia
Get Outlook for iOS
wrote:
Here is another option. This is what I have on my Piet project.
https://flycorvair.net/2012/10/27/new-die-spring-landing-gear-on-a-pietenpol-10-a-m-4-p-m/
If you are interested, I can send you the link where I purchased my die springs.
$40.00 or so each, as I recall. Much less than Wag Aero or Wicks or ACS.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475834#475834
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Spring Design |
I did this and really liked the looks. I have yet to finish my plane.
BTW right now my concentration is on getting my commercial ticket next
Wednesday.
Blue skies,
Steve D
On Nov 28, 2017 7:25 PM, "jarheadpilot82"
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Here is another option. This is what I have on my Piet project.
>
> https://flycorvair.net/2012/10/27/new-die-spring-landing-
> gear-on-a-pietenpol-10-a-m-4-p-m/
>
> If you are interested, I can send you the link where I purchased my die
> springs. $40.00 or so each, as I recall. Much less than Wag Aero or Wicks
> or ACS.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475834#475834
>
>
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| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A |
Contribution Today!
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Spay Latex on Aluminum |
=C2-Hello crew. It's been a long time.=C2- I am curious if anyone has s
prayed latex paint on aluminum, (bar, sheet, other aircraft) and if so how
has it held up? I brushed latex paint on my fabric and I know others have s
prayed it on their fabric, but I am curious if anyone has sprayed latex pai
nt on aluminum.
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum |
Yes, I primed it with self etching primer and sprayed latex on. No flying
yet, but it has held up to moves and handling well.
On Nov 29, 2017 10:15 AM, "Michael Perez" wrote:
>
> Hello crew. It's been a long time. I am curious if anyone has sprayed
> latex paint on aluminum, (bar, sheet, other aircraft) and if so how has it
> held up? I brushed latex paint on my fabric and I know others have sprayed
> it on their fabric, but I am curious if anyone has sprayed latex paint on
> aluminum.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum |
If sprayed over epoxy primer you should be ok. Don=99t use over self e
tching prime as some latex pigments will react with acid and either change c
olor or bleed through. Follow proper prep procedures for your epoxy primer o
ver aluminum or it won=99t adhere
> On Nov 29, 2017, at 8:11 AM, Michael Perez wrot
e:
>
>
> Hello crew. It's been a long time. I am curious if anyone has sprayed lat
ex paint on aluminum, (bar, sheet, other aircraft) and if so how has it held
up? I brushed latex paint on my fabric and I know others have sprayed it on
their fabric, but I am curious if anyone has sprayed latex paint on aluminu
m.
>
>
>
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum |
Thanks. Was the paint used exterior, interior...gloss, semi gloss or flat? Water
based?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Spring Design |
| From: | "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> |
So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der Voort design
I referred to?
Thanks.
--------
Harv, 485PB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | goffelectric(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum |
Check out the Wiener Dog Aero site, he goes into great detail on his process. I
used his process on the aluminum and it works great.
Thanks,
Keith Goff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Perez" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:49:39 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum
Thanks. Was the paint used exterior, interior...gloss, semi gloss or flat? Water
based?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au |
| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Spring Design |
The same as the construction on WW=99s site.
Cheers
Peter
Get Outlook for iOS
o.com> wrote:
So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der Voor
t design I referred to?
Thanks.
--------
Harv, 485PB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Spring Design |
Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever.
On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote:
> Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known to
> man.
>
> On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, wrote:
>
>> The same as the construction on WW=99s site.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>>
>>
>>
>> plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der
Voort design I referred to?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Harv, 485PB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Spring Design |
Another drawing. The measurements are in furlongs, cubits and pecks.
On Nov 29, 2017 7:47 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote:
> Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever.
>
> On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch"
> wrote:
>
>> Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known to
>> man.
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> The same as the construction on WW=99s site.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der
Voort design I referred to?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Harv, 485PB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Spring Design |
One more.
On Nov 29, 2017 7:49 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote:
> Another drawing. The measurements are in furlongs, cubits and pecks.
>
> On Nov 29, 2017 7:47 PM, "Steven Dortch"
> wrote:
>
>> Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever.
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known to
>>> man.
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>>> The same as the construction on WW=99s site.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> Get Outlook for iOS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van de
r Voort design I referred to?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Harv, 485PB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Spring Design |
Once finished, is the interior lubricated/greased/protected from
corrosion in any way? Also, it would appear that the spring has to be
shorter than the can, how do you determine by how much, or am I looking
at it wrong? Overall, I like the idea much better than the other spring
designs I=99ve seen.
Kip Gardner
> On Nov 29, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Steven Dortch
wrote:
>
> Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever.
>
> On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" > wrote:
> Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known
to man.
>
> On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, > wrote:
> The same as the construction on WW=99s site.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der
Voort design I referred to?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --------
> Harv, 485PB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Spring Design |
| From: | Peter Johnson <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
Kip,
The spring is 6 inches long, I made the tube 6 1/4 inches to take into acco
unt the welded cap on the end. I added another spacer to the top of the cap
to provide a bit more of a gap so that nothing was damaged when welding the
top cap. The cap, spacer and weld are slightly thicker that the 1/4 inch so
I compressed the spring very slightly when I welded on the top cap. A little
bit of compression stops any rattles when no load is applied.
I painted the long tube before welding the top cap in place. I intend to sq
uirt some oil in the rod end hole (top) every now and again (say every annua
l) to stop the corrosion.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Kip Gardner
Date: Thursday, 30 November 2017 at 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design
Once finished, is the interior lubricated/greased/protected from corrosion
in any way? Also, it would appear that the spring has to be shorter than th
e can, how do you determine by how much, or am I looking at it wrong? Overa
ll, I like the idea much better than the other spring designs I=99ve seen.
Kip Gardner
On Nov 29, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Steven Dortch wrot
e:
Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever.
On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote:
Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known to man
.
On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, wrote:
The same as the construction on WW=99s site.
Cheers
Peter
Get Outlook for iOS
o.com> wrote:
So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der Voor
t design I referred to?
Thanks.
--------
Harv, 485PB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Spring Design |
Peter,
Thanks, that all makes perfect sense, even to me :) !
Kip
> On Nov 29, 2017, at 9:34 PM, Peter Johnson
wrote:
>
> Kip,
>
> The spring is 6 inches long, I made the tube 6 1/4 inches to take into
account the welded cap on the end. I added another spacer to the top of
the cap to provide a bit more of a gap so that nothing was damaged when
welding the top cap. The cap, spacer and weld are slightly thicker that
the 1/4 inch so I compressed the spring very slightly when I welded on
the top cap. A little bit of compression stops any rattles when no load
is applied.
>
> I painted the long tube before welding the top cap in place. I intend
to squirt some oil in the rod end hole (top) every now and again (say
every annual) to stop the corrosion.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
>
>
>
> From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> on behalf of Kip
Gardner >
> Reply-To: >
> Date: Thursday, 30 November 2017 at 1:14 pm
> To: >
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design
>
> Once finished, is the interior lubricated/greased/protected from
corrosion in any way? Also, it would appear that the spring has to be
shorter than the can, how do you determine by how much, or am I looking
at it wrong? Overall, I like the idea much better than the other spring
designs I=99ve seen.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
> On Nov 29, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Steven Dortch > wrote:
>
> Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever.
>
> On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" > wrote:
> Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known
to man.
>
> On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, > wrote:
> The same as the construction on WW=99s site.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der
Voort design I referred to?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --------
> Harv, 485PB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Spring Design |
The spring is under compression. When we welded one, either a drop of slag
got in the way or there was a tiny weld to the spring. No movement. I fixed
it by chaining it between two truck bumpers and giving it a jerk. It worked
.
Everything was painted. Then before installing them on the plane, I soaked
the inside with corrosion-X and LPS 3. They will be bathed in exhaust heat
and engine oil each flight.
On Nov 29, 2017 8:50 PM, "Kip Gardner" wrote:
Peter,
Thanks, that all makes perfect sense, even to me :) !
Kip
On Nov 29, 2017, at 9:34 PM, Peter Johnson wrote:
Kip,
The spring is 6 inches long, I made the tube 6 1/4 inches to take into
account the welded cap on the end. I added another spacer to the top of the
cap to provide a bit more of a gap so that nothing was damaged when welding
the top cap. The cap, spacer and weld are slightly thicker that the 1/4
inch so I compressed the spring very slightly when I welded on the top cap.
A little bit of compression stops any rattles when no load is applied.
I painted the long tube before welding the top cap in place. I intend to
squirt some oil in the rod end hole (top) every now and again (say every
annual) to stop the corrosion.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
*From: *<owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Kip
Gardner
*Reply-To: *
*Date: *Thursday, 30 November 2017 at 1:14 pm
*To: *
*Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Gear Spring Design
Once finished, is the interior lubricated/greased/protected from corrosion
in any way? Also, it would appear that the spring has to be shorter than
the can, how do you determine by how much, or am I looking at it wrong?
Overall, I like the idea much better than the other spring designs I
=99ve
seen.
Kip Gardner
On Nov 29, 2017, at 8:47 PM, Steven Dortch
wrote:
Drawing of the can Not drawn to any scale whatsoever.
On Nov 29, 2017 7:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote:
Here are my drawings of the setup. NOTE Not drawn to any scale known to man
.
On Nov 29, 2017 2:49 PM, wrote:
The same as the construction on WW=99s site.
Cheers
Peter
Get Outlook for iOS
plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
So which did you guys build? what Jarhead is suggesting or the van der
Voort design I referred to?
Thanks.
--------
Harv, 485PB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=475933#475933
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum |
Exterior paint. I bought from Sherwin Williams. Next time Behr from the
Aviation section at home depot or Lowe's.
On Nov 29, 2017 2:02 PM, wrote:
Check out the Wiener Dog Aero site, he goes into great detail on his
process. I used his process on the aluminum and it works great.
Thanks,
Keith Goff
------------------------------
*From: *"Michael Perez" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
*To: *pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:49:39 AM
*Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum
Thanks. Was the paint used exterior, interior...gloss, semi gloss or flat?
Water based?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum |
Oh yeah. Gloss looks great but shows every flaw. Flat hides all flaws, but
looks, well, flat. I used semigloss.
On high wear areas. I used rattlecan enamel.
Blue skies.
On Nov 29, 2017 10:44 PM, "Steven Dortch" wrote:
> Exterior paint. I bought from Sherwin Williams. Next time Behr from the
> Aviation section at home depot or Lowe's.
>
> On Nov 29, 2017 2:02 PM, wrote:
>
> Check out the Wiener Dog Aero site, he goes into great detail on his
> process. I used his process on the aluminum and it works great.
>
> Thanks,
> Keith Goff
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Michael Perez" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
> *To: *pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:49:39 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum
>
>
> Thanks. Was the paint used exterior, interior...gloss, semi gloss or flat?
> Water based?
>
>
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| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum |
As I think about it, Rattle can was so easy, I used it more than Latex.
Just about as cheap and easy to do.
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Steven Dortch
wrote:
> Oh yeah. Gloss looks great but shows every flaw. Flat hides all flaws, but
> looks, well, flat. I used semigloss.
>
> On high wear areas. I used rattlecan enamel.
>
> Blue skies.
>
> On Nov 29, 2017 10:44 PM, "Steven Dortch"
> wrote:
>
>> Exterior paint. I bought from Sherwin Williams. Next time Behr from the
>> Aviation section at home depot or Lowe's.
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2017 2:02 PM, wrote:
>>
>> Check out the Wiener Dog Aero site, he goes into great detail on his
>> process. I used his process on the aluminum and it works great.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Keith Goff
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Michael Perez" <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
>> *To: *pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:49:39 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: Pietenpol-List: Spay Latex on Aluminum
>>
>>
>> Thanks. Was the paint used exterior, interior...gloss, semi gloss or
>> flat? Water based?
>>
>>
>>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I am a rattle can graffiti artist is about all I can say about my painting skills.
When I did the rebuild and repairs to my airplane, I had to deal with the
gear legs and shock spring struts, cabane struts, a couple of fittings, the nose
cowlings, and various bits and pieces here and there. Fortunately, the basic
colors that Corky used on the airplane are two very common colors... Polytone
173 (AN True Blue) and 139 (Federal Yellow). I just didn't want to pay for
Polytone so I searched for rattle can spray paint and found that Ford Blue (also
a very common implement enamel) was a close enough match on the metal parts
if I painted the entire part and didn't just try to paint a repaired and sanded
spot or area on the part. For the yellow, I found that Federal Yellow is
what's used to paint highway stripes and 'do not pass' lane markers as well as
school buses, Farmall and IH tractors, and other equipment, so it wasn't hard
to find a good match there either.
Dealing with latex, I could get close but not as close. The beauty of latex is
that with today's color matching technology, you can take a reasonably-sized
swatch or sample in to the hardware store and they will mix up some latex to match.
Usually a pretty close match, but I found that in four tries, I ended up
with "just close, not close enough" to match spots on the wings that needed
touching up. Painting a new airplane or assembly without having to match anything
would be a cinch.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476065#476065
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum |
Thanks guys. I=C2-am not painting anything for my Pietenpol, I was just c
urious if anyone has spray painted an entire aluminum aircraft with latex t
ype house paint. I knew others have done so on fabric, wasn't clear if trie
d an aluminum...let alone an entire aircraft.=C2- I would imagine the pre
p/procedures would be the same whether it be a small panel or a full fusela
ge of aluminum.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum |
Michael, just to prove that a horse is never so dead it can't be beaten
some more.
I painted parts that would see more wear and tear with rattlecan enamel.
Less wear, latex. If I were to do it again, I would probably use rattlecans
on all metal parts. For ease and durability.
On Dec 3, 2017 8:31 AM, "Michael Perez" wrote:
Thanks guys. I am not painting anything for my Pietenpol, I was just
curious if anyone has spray painted an entire aluminum aircraft with latex
type house paint. I knew others have done so on fabric, wasn't clear if
tried an aluminum...let alone an entire aircraft. I would imagine the
prep/procedures would be the same whether it be a small panel or a full
fuselage of aluminum.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Michael; if memory serves, my former and long-time hangar mate Randy Stout down
in the San Antonio area painted his entire Zenith 601 with rolled-and-tipped
latex... blue and white. You can see some photos of N282RS here:
http://www.zenith.aero/profile/Randy
I always thought it was a very nice paint job and he is still flying the airplane
on its original paint some 15 years later.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476083#476083
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Spay Latex on Aluminum |
Very interesting Oscar. I'll look into it more when the time comes. Nice to know
there are others who have been there so I have resources to turn to.
Thanks.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Main Gear Spring Design |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
the link Terry supplied does have all the measurements and details of the construction...
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
that looks great oldbird, you are going to have a very nice bird
a little update on my progress still haven't varnished yet but did finish my tail
feathers and am now working on attaching the plywood to the fuselage sides.
Oh and doing a lot of sanding.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476262#476262
Attachments:
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/plywood_side_one_2_812.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/plywood_side_side_1_140.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/h_stab_gusset_784.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/h_stab_gusset_2_104.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/elevators_102.jpg
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| From: | "(null) raykrause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
Those bricks might make it pretty heavy?!
Ray Krause
SkyScout
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 8, 2017, at 6:22 PM, cdlwingnut wrote:
that looks great oldbird, you are going to have a very nice bird
a little update on my progress still haven't varnished yet but did finish my tail
feathers and am now working on attaching the plywood to the fuselage sides.
Oh and doing a lot of sanding.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476262#476262
Attachments:
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/plywood_side_one_2_812.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/plywood_side_side_1_140.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/h_stab_gusset_784.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/h_stab_gusset_2_104.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/elevators_102.jpg
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| Subject: | 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
The first 6 months of 2017 there were several hundred posts and replies to posts
on this list. These last 6 months there may have been 100 in total, and in
the last 90 days of 2017 there may have only been a dozen or two. Members of
this list have the option of posting a poll so that the members can voice their
opinions. I thought about posting a poll question asking if this list continues
to have value to anyone who's still here, but the question answers itself
since you'll only see the question if you're still here ;o)
I'm on the Brodhead Pietenpol list and I pop in from time to time on the Facebook
Piet page when somebody names me in a topic or picture, but I burn too much
time on Facebook to want to stay there much. Guess I'll continue to hang out
here on Matronics to see what the new year brings. More building and more low
'n' slow flying, I hope-!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476892#476892
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
| From: | Peter Johnson <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
Oscar,
Im still here although I do check into the Facebook list daily.
Progress I suppose, what next after Facebook?
Still happily flying my GN1 (Piet to me).
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
> On 31 Dec 2017, at 7:59 am, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> The first 6 months of 2017 there were several hundred posts and replies to posts
on this list. These last 6 months there may have been 100 in total, and in
the last 90 days of 2017 there may have only been a dozen or two. Members of
this list have the option of posting a poll so that the members can voice their
opinions. I thought about posting a poll question asking if this list continues
to have value to anyone who's still here, but the question answers itself
since you'll only see the question if you're still here ;o)
>
> I'm on the Brodhead Pietenpol list and I pop in from time to time on the Facebook
Piet page when somebody names me in a topic or picture, but I burn too much
time on Facebook to want to stay there much. Guess I'll continue to hang out
here on Matronics to see what the new year brings. More building and more
low 'n' slow flying, I hope-!
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476892#476892
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Oscar, I don't "do" Facebook. If everyone goes there, then I just won't
communicate on the web. I do enjoy your posts, even if it takes half a day
to read one of them-- Hi. Chuck PS I have all my parts built and
painted. Just a matter of getting some warm weather to get out and put it
all together. I do have to adjust the lengths of my wing struts. I bought
a pair of Taylorcraft struts from a friend of mine. The FAA told him he
had to put on new ones even though the old ones punch-checked OK. Mainly
just a matter of shortening the struts and doing a little welding on the
rear struts. Will post some pictures when its's finished. Chuck
On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> The first 6 months of 2017 there were several hundred posts and replies to
> posts on this list. These last 6 months there may have been 100 in total,
> and in the last 90 days of 2017 there may have only been a dozen or two.
> Members of this list have the option of posting a poll so that the members
> can voice their opinions. I thought about posting a poll question asking
> if this list continues to have value to anyone who's still here, but the
> question answers itself since you'll only see the question if you're still
> here ;o)
>
> I'm on the Brodhead Pietenpol list and I pop in from time to time on the
> Facebook Piet page when somebody names me in a topic or picture, but I burn
> too much time on Facebook to want to stay there much. Guess I'll continue
> to hang out here on Matronics to see what the new year brings. More
> building and more low 'n' slow flying, I hope-!
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476892#476892
>
>
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Hi Peter and Oscar,
Im still here, but I fly the Pitts a lot now, so havent been as focused on the
Piet. I am on FB, but I dont much care for it.
Jeff
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Core Director & Research Biologist
Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
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From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Peter Johnson <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Date: Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
Oscar,
Im still here although I do check into the Facebook list daily.
Progress I suppose, what next after Facebook?
Still happily flying my GN1 (Piet to me).
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
> On 31 Dec 2017, at 7:59 am, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> The first 6 months of 2017 there were several hundred posts and replies to
posts on this list. These last 6 months there may have been 100 in total, and
in the last 90 days of 2017 there may have only been a dozen or two. Members
of this list have the option of posting a poll so that the members can voice
their opinions. I thought about posting a poll question asking if this list
continues to have value to anyone who's still here, but the question answers
itself since you'll only see the question if you're still here ;o)
>
> I'm on the Brodhead Pietenpol list and I pop in from time to time on the
Facebook Piet page when somebody names me in a topic or picture, but I burn too
much time on Facebook to want to stay there much. Guess I'll continue to hang
out here on Matronics to see what the new year brings. More building and more
low 'n' slow flying, I hope-!
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476892#476892
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | John C Black <john(at)jcblack.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
I hope everyone will keep using this list. I think it is the easiest to
use and I read everything on this list. Very Helpful. I just bought a
hangar to build my Piet in so the project should accelerate soon. I
=99m going to need lots of advice. I don=99t post much. I guess
if I want the list, I=99ll have to contribute more posts.
John
On Dec 30, 2017, at 2:02 PM, Charles N. Campbell
wrote:
Oscar, I don't "do" Facebook. If everyone goes there, then I just
won't communicate on the web. I do enjoy your posts, even if it takes
half a day to read one of them-- Hi. Chuck PS I have all my parts
built and painted. Just a matter of getting some warm weather to get
out and put it all together. I do have to adjust the lengths of my wing
struts. I bought a pair of Taylorcraft struts from a friend of mine.
The FAA told him he had to put on new ones even though the old ones
punch-checked OK. Mainly just a matter of shortening the struts and
doing a little welding on the rear struts. Will post some pictures when
its's finished. Chuck
On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, taildrags > wrote:
>
The first 6 months of 2017 there were several hundred posts and replies
to posts on this list. These last 6 months there may have been 100 in
total, and in the last 90 days of 2017 there may have only been a dozen
or two. Members of this list have the option of posting a poll so that
the members can voice their opinions. I thought about posting a poll
question asking if this list continues to have value to anyone who's
still here, but the question answers itself since you'll only see the
question if you're still here ;o)
I'm on the Brodhead Pietenpol list and I pop in from time to time on the
Facebook Piet page when somebody names me in a topic or picture, but I
burn too much time on Facebook to want to stay there much. Guess I'll
continue to hang out here on Matronics to see what the new year brings.
More building and more low 'n' slow flying, I hope-!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Hello all. I receive list posts via my email and see all new posts...when there
are any. I've noticed a decline in activity and I am part of the problem. Since
having NX992WD completed but not assembled, I don't have much to say other
than I am still in the process of final assembly. Sure I can answer questions,
but someone replies with the answer I would have given and I see no value in
adding my opinion on the matter.
Other venues such as Facebook and the like detract from "our" list being utilized.
I am actually building a second airplane now and spend my time researching
ideas and focusing on the new build; so my time reading and responding to Pietenpol
subjects is next to nonexistent. Still; I wonder why they are so few new
builders using this site? I have an idea, but we'll save that for another thread!
Happy New year all and Godspeed.
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| From: | "(null) raykrause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Oscar,
I'm still here, but have not had much to say. Since my eye sight went tits up,
I can fly anymore, so building is just a slow slog to complete my SkyScout, get
it approved and then......? So finishing it is not a hurry-up thing. But I will
do it. Scott Liefeld has been a great help and will do the check ride when
it's ready. Thanks, Scott!
I don't check the Brodhead site very often, I have not set it up to just come up
when there are messages. Maybe that can be done?
Keep posting, Oscar, you are the Man!
Thanks,
Ray
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 30, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
Hello all. I receive list posts via my email and see all new posts...when there
are any. I've noticed a decline in activity and I am part of the problem. Since
having NX992WD completed but not assembled, I don't have much to say other
than I am still in the process of final assembly. Sure I can answer questions,
but someone replies with the answer I would have given and I see no value in
adding my opinion on the matter.
Other venues such as Facebook and the like detract from "our" list being utilized.
I am actually building a second airplane now and spend my time researching
ideas and focusing on the new build; so my time reading and responding to Pietenpol
subjects is next to nonexistent. Still; I wonder why they are so few new
builders using this site? I have an idea, but we'll save that for another thread!
Happy New year all and Godspeed.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
I am here and read every post. For some reason my BPA list stopped sending
me emails. (I have it set to send me emails when there are messages, but it
must have "unset itself." I find myself at the facebook page everyday. Blue
Skies,
Steve D
On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 7:05 PM, (null) raykrause wrote:
> raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
>
> Oscar,
>
> I'm still here, but have not had much to say. Since my eye sight went tits
> up, I can fly anymore, so building is just a slow slog to complete my
> SkyScout, get it approved and then......? So finishing it is not a hurry-up
> thing. But I will do it. Scott Liefeld has been a great help and will do
> the check ride when it's ready. Thanks, Scott!
>
> I don't check the Brodhead site very often, I have not set it up to just
> come up when there are messages. Maybe that can be done?
>
> Keep posting, Oscar, you are the Man!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 30, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Michael Perez
> wrote:
>
> speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hello all. I receive list posts via my email and see all new posts...when
> there are any. I've noticed a decline in activity and I am part of the
> problem. Since having NX992WD completed but not assembled, I don't have
> much to say other than I am still in the process of final assembly. Sure I
> can answer questions, but someone replies with the answer I would have
> given and I see no value in adding my opinion on the matter.
>
> Other venues such as Facebook and the like detract from "our" list being
> utilized. I am actually building a second airplane now and spend my time
> researching ideas and focusing on the new build; so my time reading and
> responding to Pietenpol subjects is next to nonexistent. Still; I wonder
> why they are so few new builders using this site? I have an idea, but we'll
> save that for another thread!
>
> Happy New year all and Godspeed.
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Oscar I always appreciate your thoughts and assistance! I try to help anyone with
questions I'm qualified to answer. I do watch Facebook too.
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> The first 6 months of 2017 there were several hundred posts and replies to posts
on this list. These last 6 months there may have been 100 in total, and in
the last 90 days of 2017 there may have only been a dozen or two. Members of
this list have the option of posting a poll so that the members can voice their
opinions. I thought about posting a poll question asking if this list continues
to have value to anyone who's still here, but the question answers itself
since you'll only see the question if you're still here ;o)
>
> I'm on the Brodhead Pietenpol list and I pop in from time to time on the Facebook
Piet page when somebody names me in a topic or picture, but I burn too much
time on Facebook to want to stay there much. Guess I'll continue to hang out
here on Matronics to see what the new year brings. More building and more
low 'n' slow flying, I hope-!
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476892#476892
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Keith Goff <goffelectric(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
I should have been doing my part to keep this list going. It was very instrumental
in my build. I received my Airworthiness in August.PF Beck did most of the
initial test flying while I got my taildragger endorsement in a Cessna 120, that
was great but it didn't quite prepare me for landing the Piet. I flew it for
the first time on October first, what a rush I really can't put it into words!
It has 17.5 hours on it now but I think flying weather around here may be
over for a couple of months.
Thanks,
Keith
> On December 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM taildrags wrote:
>
>
>
> The first 6 months of 2017 there were several hundred posts and replies to
posts on this list. These last 6 months there may have been 100 in total, and
in the last 90 days of 2017 there may have only been a dozen or two. Members
of this list have the option of posting a poll so that the members can voice
their opinions. I thought about posting a poll question asking if this list continues
to have value to anyone who's still here, but the question answers itself
since you'll only see the question if you're still here ;o)
>
> I'm on the Brodhead Pietenpol list and I pop in from time to time on the
Facebook Piet page when somebody names me in a topic or picture, but I burn too
much time on Facebook to want to stay there much. Guess I'll continue to hang
out here on Matronics to see what the new year brings. More building and more
low 'n' slow flying, I hope-!
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476892#476892
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Hi Oscar
I always look forward to reading these posts. They are loaded with great info.
I hope this list continues. I dont do Facebook
Glen Schweizer
> On Dec 30, 2017, at 12:59 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> The first 6 months of 2017 there were several hundred posts and replies to posts
on this list. These last 6 months there may have been 100 in total, and in
the last 90 days of 2017 there may have only been a dozen or two. Members of
this list have the option of posting a poll so that the members can voice their
opinions. I thought about posting a poll question asking if this list continues
to have value to anyone who's still here, but the question answers itself
since you'll only see the question if you're still here ;o)
>
> I'm on the Brodhead Pietenpol list and I pop in from time to time on the Facebook
Piet page when somebody names me in a topic or picture, but I burn too much
time on Facebook to want to stay there much. Guess I'll continue to hang out
here on Matronics to see what the new year brings. More building and more
low 'n' slow flying, I hope-!
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476892#476892
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
| From: | "danoliver" <danoliver909(at)gmail.com> |
I check all three weekly. Each has it's merits. I like Facebook for events, progress
reports and tidbits. I enjoy the discussions on the BPA site. It's great
for inspiration and motivation. This page is my go to for technical questions,
how-tos and what-fors, and of course help deciding which improvements not to
make (all of them it seems).
--------
Dan O
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476915#476915
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| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
| From: | Vincent Dunn <vincentkdunn(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm still here! I have found this site and the West coast Piet site really valuable
during my build process. I often mine the collected posts for ideas and solutions
though I seldom leave a post myself. I don't DO FB either. FB doesn't
seem to work with my flip phone.....
Vincent Dunn, Salem OR
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
| From: | "planes&bikes" <yb21701(at)juno.com> |
I'm happy to see 11 messages today, hopefully ending the "dry spell"! I never
posted much - maybe 10 times - but I read it faithfully during my 6 year build,
and still check it perhaps weekly. As I stated in my 7/20/16 post, this is
THE SITE for builders, unmatched for personal interactions with other builders/owners
and the archival materials which will answer most any question a builder
may confront - try to find that on FACEBOOK! In my opinion, this Site, Peter
Johnson's Build & Photo Log, and WestCoastPiets are the three indispensable
guides for PIETENPOL builders.
Don Youngblood
Easley, SC
AirCamper N41YB
A75 power, 72X42 Sensenich prop
--------
Planes&Bikes
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476919#476919
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| From: | Gerrit-Jan Kaal <gjhkaal(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
+1
:-)
On 31 Dec 2017 16:26, "planes&bikes" wrote:
> >
>
> I'm happy to see 11 messages today, hopefully ending the "dry spell"! I
> never posted much - maybe 10 times - but I read it faithfully during my 6
> year build, and still check it perhaps weekly. As I stated in my 7/20/16
> post, this is THE SITE for builders, unmatched for personal interactions
> with other builders/owners and the archival materials which will answer
> most any question a builder may confront - try to find that on FACEBOOK!
> In my opinion, this Site, Peter Johnson's Build & Photo Log, and
> WestCoastPiets are the three indispensable guides for PIETENPOL builders.
>
> Don Youngblood
> Easley, SC
> AirCamper N41YB
> A75 power, 72X42 Sensenich prop
>
> --------
> Planes&Bikes
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476919#476919
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
| From: | "john francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Good to see some activity here. Facebook is great but i dont think we have a search
feature like this list? Ill participate more here if it stays active.
--------
John Francis
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476924#476924
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| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Charles: it takes you half a day to read my posts because I enjoy writing. However,
they say you can delete every other letter in a word and your brain still
sees enough of it to make sense. Maybe I'll try doing that and you'll be able
to get through my posts in a quarter of a day ;o)
Jeff B.: you say you haven't been as focused on the Piet. Have you thought about
seeing an ophthalmologist about that focus problem?
Steve D.: you find yourself on the Facebook page every day? And to think there
are people going to psychiatrists and doing transcendental meditation for years
in order to try to find themselves, and here you do it just by going to Facebook!
Don Y.: I agree with your short list of indispensible guides to Pietenpoling, but
I sure miss seeing Mike Cuy's excellent video "The Building & Flying of NX48MC"
on the list. Wish he would continue making it available since it is instructional,
inspirational, and entertaining, all in one.
John F.: the BPA Pietenpol list admin, Pat Weeden, was trying to work with Matt
Dralle, who of course is the admin of Matronics, to link the BPA site to the
Matronics archives so as not to lose all of that good information and searchability.
However, there are quite a number of lists on Matronics that see little
activity but continue to be archived and supported by Matt year after year.
For that reason, I never hesitate to send $$ to Matronics every year so I can
"mine" the archives and use the search engine as well.
I joined this list 16 years ago... 9/25/01... and had made 1,549 posts since joining.
About 100 a year, or two a week on average. Sounds about right. I guess
this one makes it 1,550 to end 2017 and kick off Year Seventeen on this list.
And Charles: at the rate of a half-day to read each of my posts, you will
have spent 775 days reading my posts. TWO YEARS!!! ;o) Thanks, fellows and
gals.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476926#476926
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | landing the Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Keith: you say you got your tailwheel endorsement in a Cessna 120 but that didn't
quite prepare you for landing the Piet. Now that you've gotten some time in
your Piet, what would you say was the biggest difference between landing the
120 and landing the Piet? Was it just the sensory overload of the Piet coming
down on final in an open cockpit tandem-seat aircraft as opposed to the 120
in an enclosed cabin with side-by-side seating, or perhaps the difference in
airspeed control on final of one vs. the other, or perhaps even just the yokes-vs-sticks
controls? Just curious.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476927#476927
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| From: | "(null) raykrause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
You damn engineers!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 31, 2017, at 11:15 AM, taildrags wrote:
Charles: it takes you half a day to read my posts because I enjoy writing. However,
they say you can delete every other letter in a word and your brain still
sees enough of it to make sense. Maybe I'll try doing that and you'll be able
to get through my posts in a quarter of a day ;o)
Jeff B.: you say you haven't been as focused on the Piet. Have you thought about
seeing an ophthalmologist about that focus problem?
Steve D.: you find yourself on the Facebook page every day? And to think there
are people going to psychiatrists and doing transcendental meditation for years
in order to try to find themselves, and here you do it just by going to Facebook!
Don Y.: I agree with your short list of indispensible guides to Pietenpoling, but
I sure miss seeing Mike Cuy's excellent video "The Building & Flying of NX48MC"
on the list. Wish he would continue making it available since it is instructional,
inspirational, and entertaining, all in one.
John F.: the BPA Pietenpol list admin, Pat Weeden, was trying to work with Matt
Dralle, who of course is the admin of Matronics, to link the BPA site to the
Matronics archives so as not to lose all of that good information and searchability.
However, there are quite a number of lists on Matronics that see little
activity but continue to be archived and supported by Matt year after year.
For that reason, I never hesitate to send $$ to Matronics every year so I can
"mine" the archives and use the search engine as well.
I joined this list 16 years ago... 9/25/01... and had made 1,549 posts since joining.
About 100 a year, or two a week on average. Sounds about right. I guess
this one makes it 1,550 to end 2017 and kick off Year Seventeen on this list.
And Charles: at the rate of a half-day to read each of my posts, you will
have spent 775 days reading my posts. TWO YEARS!!! ;o) Thanks, fellows and
gals.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476926#476926
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| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Oscar,
I am glad that you have gotten the attention of members of this list! Last month
I contributed a modest amount of $ (as usual) to keep things going and lamented,
in the space provided, the low level of activity during the last few months.
I joined the list away back when Steve E. was managing it and have belonged
to it ever since and I have always thought it was a valuable device for the
exchange of ideas and expertise gained through experience. And there is the social
factor, too, which is nice to have.
Since I donated my Pietenpol to a local museum about four years ago, I have contributed
few posts and guess I am just a "lurker" nowadays. I still enjoy hearing
about people building and flying their Pietenpols, and I hope they have as
much fun as I had with mine for nearly 43 years!
Cheers,
Graham Hansen (Built and enjoyed Pietenpol CF-AUN for a long time.)
Camrose, Alberta, Canada
On 12/30/17 01:59 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
> The first 6 months of 2017 there were several hundred posts and replies to posts
on this list. These last 6 months there may have been 100 in total, and in
the last 90 days of 2017 there may have only been a dozen or two. Members of
this list have the option of posting a poll so that the members can voice their
opinions. I thought about posting a poll question asking if this list continues
to have value to anyone who's still here, but the question answers itself
since you'll only see the question if you're still here ;o)
>
> I'm on the Brodhead Pietenpol list and I pop in from time to time on the Facebook
Piet page when somebody names me in a topic or picture, but I burn too much
time on Facebook to want to stay there much. Guess I'll continue to hang out
here on Matronics to see what the new year brings. More building and more low
'n' slow flying, I hope-!
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476892#476892
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Keith Goff <goffelectric(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: landing the Piet |
Oscar,
I think it was a combination of it all. My brain definitely tried to default to,
power in right hand and pitch in the left, many times. The biggest thing though
was in the 120 you pull power all the way out abeam the numbers on down wind,
if you do that in the Piet your gonna land on down wind. I had quite a few
embarrassing and scary landings from pulling the power out on final or even in
the flare. Finally figured out if I leave about 1500rpm in on the corvair it
will just settle down to the runway after you flare.If I land straight and pull
power off it rolls out straight and true and only lasts a few seconds.
Thanks,
Keith
> On December 31, 2017 at 2:24 PM taildrags wrote:
>
>
>
> Keith: you say you got your tailwheel endorsement in a Cessna 120 but that
didn't quite prepare you for landing the Piet. Now that you've gotten some time
in your Piet, what would you say was the biggest difference between landing
the 120 and landing the Piet? Was it just the sensory overload of the Piet coming
down on final in an open cockpit tandem-seat aircraft as opposed to the
120 in an enclosed cabin with side-by-side seating, or perhaps the difference
in airspeed control on final of one vs. the other, or perhaps even just the yokes-vs-sticks
controls? Just curious.
>
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: landing the Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Keith; I get it now, yes. If I fly a traditional, conventional wide rectangular
traffic pattern at my home airport (which has an 8800' runway that is 150' wide),
if I pull the power abeam the numbers on downwind, I'll certainly be landing
it on downwind! So, if there's no traffic and I'm cleared to land when I'm
abeam the numbers, I'll pull power and commence a circling descent to the numbers
without squaring off the corners. It will feel like I'm too high and
too fast at first, but as I circle the airplane will come right on down if I hold
55-60 (depending on the wind). If there's other traffic, I'll just fly a
conventional pattern with long legs and square corners and I'll hold power on,
maybe 1700-1800, till established on final and able to judge "high or low? fast
or slow?" and make adjustments. I also have the nice option of landing long
at my home field, since my hangar is 'way down at the far end of Rwy 32. I
can keep power in, maintain a few hundred feet off the runway till I'm well down
it and past the turnoff to the main terminal, then ease the power off and put
it down closer to my hangar.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476932#476932
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| From: | "Boatright, Jeffrey" <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: landing the Piet |
Hm. I pull power all the way back abeam the numbers in my Piet. Maybe the difference
is pattern altitude between our two airports. Ours is 1000 AGL. If youre
interested, Ive got lots of Piet videos up on Youtube showing my patterns, fwiw.
Happy New Year!
Jeff
--
Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Core Director & Research Biologist
Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
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From: <owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Keith Goff <goffelectric(at)comcast.net>
Date: Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing the Piet
Oscar,
I think it was a combination of it all. My brain definitely tried to default
to, power in right hand and pitch in the left, many times. The biggest thing
though was in the 120 you pull power all the way out abeam the numbers on down
wind, if you do that in
the Piet your gonna land on down wind. I had quite a few embarrassing and
scary landings from pulling the power out on final or even in the flare. Finally
figured out if I leave about 1500rpm in on the corvair it will just settle
down to the runway after you
flare.If I land straight and pull power off it rolls out straight and true
and only lasts a few seconds.
Thanks,
Keith
On December 31, 2017 at 2:24 PM taildrags wrote:
Keith: you say you got your tailwheel endorsement in a Cessna 120 but that
didn't quite prepare you for landing the Piet. Now that you've gotten some time
in your Piet, what would you say was the biggest difference between landing
the 120 and landing the Piet?
Was it just the sensory overload of the Piet coming down on final in an open
cockpit tandem-seat aircraft as opposed to the 120 in an enclosed cabin with
side-by-side seating, or perhaps the difference in airspeed control on final
of one vs. the other, or
perhaps even just the yokes-vs-sticks controls? Just curious.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Keith Goff <goffelectric(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: landing the Piet |
1000AGL! That will put me at 1500'! Don't you need supplemental oxygen at t
hose altitudes......Any way I'm definitely still learning. I've watched som
e of your videos, I'll have another look now that I have some time in the p
lane.
Happy New Year!
Keith
> On December 31, 2017 at 7:00 PM "Boatright, Jeffrey" wrote:
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>
> Hm. I pull power all the way back abeam the numbers in my Piet. Maybe
the difference is pattern altitude between our two airports. Ours is 1000
AGL. If you=99re interested, I=99ve got lots of Piet videos up
on Youtube showing my patterns, fwiw.
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO
> Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Core Director & Research Biologist
> Atlanta VAMC Center for Visual & Neurocognitive Rehabilitation
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: on behalf of Keith Goff
> Reply-To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com mailto:pietenpol-list@matroni
cs.com "
> Date: Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 6:11 PM
> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com mailto:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
"
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landing the Piet
>
>
> Oscar,
>
>
> I think it was a combination of it all. My brain definitely tried to
default to, power in right hand and pitch in the left, many times. The bigg
est thing though was in the 120 you pull power all the way out abeam the nu
mbers on down wind, if you do that in
> the Piet your gonna land on down wind. I had quite a few embarrassing
and scary landings from pulling the power out on final or even in the flar
e. Finally figured out if I leave about 1500rpm in on the corvair it will j
ust settle down to the runway after you
> flare.If I land straight and pull power off it rolls out straight and
true and only lasts a few seconds.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Keith
>
> On December 31, 2017 at 2:24 PM taildrags wrote:
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>
> Keith: you say you got your tailwheel endorsement in a Cessna 120 but
that didn't quite prepare you for landing the Piet. Now that you've gotten
some time in your Piet, what would you say was the biggest difference betw
een landing the 120 and landing the Piet?
> Was it just the sensory overload of the Piet coming down on final in
an open cockpit tandem-seat aircraft as opposed to the 120 in an enclosed c
abin with side-by-side seating, or perhaps the difference in airspeed contr
ol on final of one vs. the other, or
> perhaps even just the yokes-vs-sticks controls? Just curious.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "(null) raykrause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: landing the Piet |
Oscar,
Great information for those of us who have never flown a Piet. I have many hours
it J-3's and Aeronca. They are not quite that bad, but you just don't "cut"
the power abeam the numbers.....as many of you know. But if you do, it's FUN!
Ray Krause
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 31, 2017, at 3:44 PM, taildrags wrote:
Keith; I get it now, yes. If I fly a traditional, conventional wide rectangular
traffic pattern at my home airport (which has an 8800' runway that is 150' wide),
if I pull the power abeam the numbers on downwind, I'll certainly be landing
it on downwind! So, if there's no traffic and I'm cleared to land when I'm
abeam the numbers, I'll pull power and commence a circling descent to the numbers
without squaring off the corners. It will feel like I'm too high and
too fast at first, but as I circle the airplane will come right on down if I hold
55-60 (depending on the wind). If there's other traffic, I'll just fly a
conventional pattern with long legs and square corners and I'll hold power on,
maybe 1700-1800, till established on final and able to judge "high or low? fast
or slow?" and make adjustments. I also have the nice option of landing long
at my home field, since my hangar is 'way down at the far end of Rwy 32. I
can keep power in, maintain a few hundred feet off t!
he runway till I'm well down it and past the turnoff to the main terminal, then
ease the power off and put it down closer to my hangar.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: landing the Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Keith; I'm with you. I get a nosebleed just thinking about flying my Piet as high
as some of these guys do ;o)
Jeff; I think I've watched all the videos you've posted and have enjoyed them all,
several times. So smooth on the controls and nary a bobble. I'll have to
take another look and see just how far out your downwind track is from the field.
On our field, I have several things to watch out for... a long line of big
box stores with big parking lots on one side, and the need to stay well clear
of the tower, terminal, and airport parking on the other. That puts me a pretty
good way out from the runway, otherwise I would fly a tighter pattern and
probably do better getting it down without power. I did it all the time back
at San Geronimo in TX but that was a little uncontrolled 3000'x40' strip with
nice grass on one side and one end, and I could fly as tight a pattern as I
wanted (and often did). Pattern altitude now at my home field is 969' AGL.
Back when I was renting a Super Cub here around 2001, we had two runways available...
14/32 and 09/27. If we went up early in the morning when there was no
wind and no traffic, we could fly figure-8 patterns and get in a lot of touch-and-goes
in a short time without ever getting above about 500' AGL. Take off
on 32 and climb straight out, then commence a sweeping left turn onto final on
09. Land, roll out, then power up and climb out. Gain altitude, then commence
a sweeping left turn onto final on 18. Or fly right patterns, or mix it up
left-right. Now 09/27 is closed and we have a lot more commercial traffic, so
nowadays that would never fly (pardon the pun) with our strict tower crew here.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: landing the Piet |
Oscar, that carving approach sounds like the commercial pilot power off 180
to landing.
The goal is to pull the power, never add power and land on target -0 or
+200 feet. You do a continuous turn ensuring you don't get too low to hit
the touchdown point. Being high is ok, you can slip to lose altitude or use
your flaps. (Oops, not an Piet option). If you are low, you are sunk all
you can do is do your best to stay at best glide and hope for an updraft.
If you have to use power, you fail.
On Dec 31, 2017 5:46 PM, "taildrags" wrote:
>
> Keith; I get it now, yes. If I fly a traditional, conventional wide
> rectangular traffic pattern at my home airport (which has an 8800' runway
> that is 150' wide), if I pull the power abeam the numbers on downwind, I'll
> certainly be landing it on downwind! So, if there's no traffic and I'm
> cleared to land when I'm abeam the numbers, I'll pull power and commence a
> circling descent to the numbers without squaring off the corners. It will
> feel like I'm too high and too fast at first, but as I circle the airplane
> will come right on down if I hold 55-60 (depending on the wind). If
> there's other traffic, I'll just fly a conventional pattern with long legs
> and square corners and I'll hold power on, maybe 1700-1800, till
> established on final and able to judge "high or low? fast or slow?" and
> make adjustments. I also have the nice option of landing long at my home
> field, since my hangar is 'way down at the far end of Rwy 32. I can keep
> power in, maintain a few hundred feet off t!
> he runway till I'm well down it and past the turnoff to the main
> terminal, then ease the power off and put it down closer to my hangar.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: landing the Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve;
Here's the funny part: several times when practicing short-field landings and just
trying to prove to myself how close I could put the mains right on the numbers,
I've scared myself but only long enough to realize I had just made a spectacular
landing. After closing the throttle abeam the numbers, determined not
to add power at all costs, keep my eyes focused on a fixed aim point on the
runway and make sure it doesn't move up or down in my field of view throughout
the turn and round-out to final, only to realize that the airplane was settling...
settling... can't pull back on the stick since I'm already right on the
bottom and don't want it to fall out from under me.
Hold it... hold it... don't pull up but the numbers are coming up fast-! Give
up those last few tics on the airspeed indicator just as the ground comes up and
she flares and 3-points just like I was a real flying ace. A scared flying
ace ;o) The amazing thing is that the few times this has turned out perfectly
without me chickening out and adding just a smidge of power, the mains have
touched the asphalt right between the threshold and the numbers, and you can't
get much closer to using every bit of runway than that! Why aim for the numbers
and give up all that perfectly good runway between the threshold and the numbers?
;o)
Oh, wait. Don't tell the FBO, but one time I put the tires of the 150 onto terra
firma about two feet before the threshold, and the terra wasn't too firma there.
In fact, the airplane made a sharp bump as the wheels rolled up over the
edge onto the pavement of the runway. Then there was the time (or was it two
times-?) when I re-shaped the bottom of the 150's tiedown ring by dragging it
along the asphalt while using nose-high "aerodynamic braking" to kill excess
speed and lift in an attempt to make the shortest landing ever made in a 150
in peacetime. At least I never wore clear through the bottom edge of the tiedown
ring.
Flying is so much fun, and landings are the funnest part of all! ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "oldbird" <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
Good morning from the first day of 2018.
I haven't been active on the net for maybe 5 months. I updated my kitlog page just
yesterday. Here are a few pictures of progress. Picture with one wing is taken
outside the shop. First time in open air. The shop is so small that I cannot
mount even one wing while inside.
Happy building/flying to you all.
Semih Oksay
Istanbul - Turkey
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| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Oscar (and everyone else, of course),
The internet is often a great way to share information, hence this website, but
it is often a poor place to communicate. The example I give to people is to type
the words Have a nice day. Without inflection or a face to gauge the emotion
of the message, those four words can either sound snarky or sound like a heart-felt
positive comment. And I think that is partly what happened here.
Does anyone remember the words Head Curmudgeon? For those new to the list - for
a time (a long time) there were guys who thought it humorous to use the word
curmudgeon about one of the experienced builders and flyers who participated in
the forum. His comments were often of the if it aint built like the original,
you are building it wrong. Many guys seemed to enjoy the humor and it was an
inside joke, but in my opinion all it served was to put a negative tone to things.
I spent 10 years in the Marine Corps and 30 years flying commercial jets,
so I can drown out other peoples noise and personalities pretty easily, but
I think the inside joking nature of it all made people feel like this forum was
someone elses club. That inside joke stuff would have been better to have been
sent by email and kept off the forum because it added nothing for the rest
of us who were not part of the club. Just my perception.
The other thing that I think turned people off was when a new guy would ask a question,
somebody would invariably answer, Its in the archives. Look it up. I
appreciate what Matt Drake has done with this forum but I have to be honest and
say, the design of the archives and the search function should not be his biggest
bragging point. Searching is not easy to do. It is not, in my opinion, particularly
user friendly. So I suspect that, after a number of Its in the archives.
Look it up comments, new members quit asking questions.
So how do we fix things and continue to make this forum a valuable asset to builders?
Simple. Post. Post questions, as they add to the energy of the list. Also,
post by answering the questions. The questions are the seed, the answers
are the water that cause knowledge to sprout up. Just make sure it is good info
- iaw ac 43.13 and other standards. Third, post pictures of your work. Dont
be shy. That is the value of west coast Piet.com -the great photos there of so
many great Pietenpol. It helps here as well.
Lastly, Pat Weeden has done a great job of saving an organization (one that almost
collapsed in an amazingly short period of a couple of years) by taking over
the reins of the Brodhead Pietenpol Association. We can all help in a similar
way by committing to being active participants on his forum who post as well
as encourage other builders and flyers.
Chuck, I know that this is long, but thanks for taking time to read it, as well
as the rest of you.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | BobbyPaulk(at)comcast.net |
I subscribe to this list even though I do not have a Piet. I have 2 friends that
do and have flown both many times in the past.
I got to fly 3 different Piets the same day years ago. I even sold a friends project
off this list.
I like to keep up with the technical points so I can help out when I can.
Keep'em Flyin
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| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
| From: | "simmor2" <4rcsimmons(at)comcast.net> |
So, I review this list daily and read whats posted. I review all the posts on the
Face book page as well as make updates on my FB page, Rich's Pietenpol build.
Too cold at the moment to do any assembly in Middle TN. (Separate garage from House)
As far as the list ending, it doesn't get posted to as often as it used to. It
relies on the current fliers and builders to post to. FB is too easy compared
to this list so that is whats active now.
What this list does do though is let you search past subject matter that has been
posted to look for information. FB does not allow that as it does here. IF
wee feed it, it will remain useful. It's up to all of us.
I'm sure Matt wont kill the list, it just isn't getting new information. Ill try
and post my FB updates here in some form or fashion from here on out Even if
its just a link to FB.
Currently building my ribs. I have 8 completed.
Building a digital test of a composite spar is near my future, modeling what J.
Textor has done.IT is what I want to follow.
Happy building and one day to fly.
For now, enjoy flying my zenith!!
Rich Simmons
Middle TN
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| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Terry, when I read the comment you directed to me, I thought the post was
by taildrags, but when I scrolled down a little further I saw that it was
from you. I hope you realize that my comment to taildrags was posted in
jest -- hence the "Hi". Maybe that term is strictly a ham radio term.
Good hearing from you. Hope you have a very nice, prosperous, and happy
New Year (2018). Chuck
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:21 AM, jarheadpilot82
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Oscar (and everyone else, of course),
>
> The internet is often a great way to share information, hence this
> website, but it is often a poor place to communicate. The example I give
to
> people is to type the words =9CHave a nice day.=9D Without in
flection or a face
> to gauge the emotion of the message, those four words can either sound
> =98snarky=99 or sound like a heart-felt positive comment. And
I think that is
> partly what happened here.
>
> Does anyone remember the words =9CHead Curmudgeon=9D? For tho
se new to the
> list - for a time (a long time) there were guys who thought it humorous t
o
> use the word curmudgeon about one of the experienced builders and flyers
> who participated in the forum. His comments were often of the =98if
it ain=99t
> built like the original, you are building it wrong=9D. Many guys se
emed to
> enjoy the humor and it was an inside joke, but in my opinion all it serve
d
> was to put a negative tone to things. I spent 10 years in the Marine Corp
s
> and 30 years flying commercial jets, so I can drown out other people
=99s
> noise and personalities pretty easily, but I think the inside joking natu
re
> of it all made people feel like this forum was someone else=99s
=9Cclub=9D. That
> inside joke stuff would have been better to have been sent by email and
> kept off the forum because it added nothing for the rest of us who were n
ot
> part of the =9Cclub=9D. Just my perception.
>
> The other thing that I think turned people off was when a new guy would
> ask a question, somebody would invariably answer, =9CIt=99s i
n the archives.
> Look it up.=9D I appreciate what Matt Drake has done with this foru
m but I
> have to be honest and say, the design of the archives and the search
> function should not be his biggest bragging point. Searching is not easy
to
> do. It is not, in my opinion, particularly user friendly. So I suspect
> that, after a number of =9CIt=99s in the archives. Look it up
=9D comments, new
> members quit asking questions.
>
> So how do we fix things and continue to make this forum a valuable asset
> to builders? Simple. Post. Post questions, as they add to the energy of t
he
> list. Also, post by answering the questions. The questions are the seed,
> the answers are the water that cause knowledge to sprout up. Just make su
re
> it is good info - iaw ac 43.13 and other standards. Third, post pictures
of
> your work. Don=99t be shy. That is the value of west coast Piet.com
-the
> great photos there of so many great Pietenpol. It helps here as well.
>
> Lastly, Pat Weeden has done a great job of saving an organization (one
> that almost collapsed in an amazingly short period of a couple of years)
by
> taking over the reins of the Brodhead Pietenpol Association. We can all
> help in a similar way by committing to being active participants on his
> forum who post as well as encourage other builders and flyers.
>
> Chuck, I know that this is long, but thanks for taking time to read it, a
s
> well as the rest of you.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476947#476947
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| From: | Elizabeth Cooper <eacooper9(at)yahoo.com> |
Looking good Semih. R. Scott Bartko Low and slow with the top down
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On Mon, 1/1/18, oldbird wrote:
Subject: Pietenpol-List: TC Piet
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, January 1, 2018, 12:53 AM
"oldbird"
Good morning from the first day of
2018.
I haven't been active on the net for
maybe 5 months. I updated my kitlog page just yesterday.
Here are a few pictures of progress. Picture with one wing
is taken outside the shop. First time in open air. The shop
is so small that I cannot mount even one wing while inside.
Happy building/flying to you all.
Semih Oksay
Istanbul - Turkey
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
O have sometimes found that I can get better technical answers from this
list than the BPA list. Though it is improving. Facebook is mostly
inspiration.
OT Gotta go blow the cobwebs off. I will do a simple 1 hour flight today in
a Comanche 180. I do my commercial check ride Wednesday. Wish me well.
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| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my call sign was
WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my blood from way back ;o)
Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have thought and
felt.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Rich Simmons: you mention a composite spar. By that do you mean some combination
of wood, rigid foam, and fiberglass? You mention Jack Textor's spars, but
I believe he is using a built-up I-beam like Mike Cuy and others have used...
no foam or fiberglass, just wood.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
A composite spar could still be all wood.
Plywood is technically a composite
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Earl; got it... you are absolutely correct. I was thinking inside the box instead
of out of it ;o) I started getting excited there for a minute because I have
designed a composite spar for my Flying Squirrel, but it employs wood for
the top and bottom chords and stiffeners, then foam board infill, then bidirectional
glass cloth on both faces. A similar assembly was load tested to failure
in a jig and the results were very positive.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Chuck,
Good to hear from you. All comments like the intros were certainly in jest. I dont
think you have ever been anything BUT a gentleman.
Happy New Year to all, and best wishes for awesome progress in 2018.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
| From: | "simmor2" <4rcsimmons(at)comcast.net> |
Mr. Hand,
Great comments! It is definitely easier to re-ask a question than to dig through
these archives.
I find it much more convenient to go to the Face book page and ask my questions
and the responses are generally quick and positive.
If I start a search on matronics, its difficult to get pointed answers without
reading multitude of post and bumbling through close topics. Not that I'm not
picking up knowledge points while digging but for me, it easily becomes a distraction.
Its easier to go to face book and ask that pointed question and get answers usually
in short time.
Perhaps if guys try posting questions, the ones with the first hand knowledge could
go ahead and repeat or send known links to specific subject matters. It would
really help.
Love the build process! Love the Piet.
Thanks to all that have helped me so far!
Best regards,
Rich Simmons
P.S. One day I hope to see one in person!
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| From: | Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
I think we may be past the prime of email lists as a way to get answers to
questions.
A relatively new development has made Q&A a more refined art. I refer to
the stack exchange network, which seems to have started with a site
dedicated to programming, (stackoverflow.com) and has more recently
launched an aviation site (aviation.stackexchange.com)
The features of these sites keep them tidy, promote the most useful
information, and make it relatively easy to find related information.
I have considered standing up similar type-specific sites, but I think it
would be better to use the larger site and use a type-specific label.
For Example, I've just posted a pietenpol related question which someone
can go answer, and the question can even be edited, for example adding the
particular designation of the Riblett airfoil:
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/47124/what-are-the-advantages-
of-the-riblett-airfoil-over-the-original-pietenpol-airfo
I think this type of format is a great way to get answers to technical
questions. I think there is an important social aspect to these lists, but
which is also served well by the facebook groups.
On Jan 1, 2018 2:34 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote
:
jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
Chuck,
Good to hear from you. All comments like the intros were certainly in jest.
I don=99t think you have ever been anything BUT a gentleman.
Happy New Year to all, and best wishes for awesome progress in 2018.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Andrew, is this somewhat similar to Quora?
Steve D
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 5:37 PM, Andrew Eldredge
wrote:
> I think we may be past the prime of email lists as a way to get answers t
o
> questions.
>
> A relatively new development has made Q&A a more refined art. I refer to
> the stack exchange network, which seems to have started with a site
> dedicated to programming, (stackoverflow.com) and has more recently
> launched an aviation site (aviation.stackexchange.com)
>
> The features of these sites keep them tidy, promote the most useful
> information, and make it relatively easy to find related information.
>
> I have considered standing up similar type-specific sites, but I think it
> would be better to use the larger site and use a type-specific label.
>
> For Example, I've just posted a pietenpol related question which someone
> can go answer, and the question can even be edited, for example adding th
e
> particular designation of the Riblett airfoil:
>
> https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/
> 47124/what-are-the-advantages-of-the-riblett-airfoil-over-
> the-original-pietenpol-airfo
>
> I think this type of format is a great way to get answers to technical
> questions. I think there is an important social aspect to these lists, b
ut
> which is also served well by the facebook groups.
>
> On Jan 1, 2018 2:34 PM, "jarheadpilot82"
> wrote:
>
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Chuck,
>
> Good to hear from you. All comments like the intros were certainly in
> jest. I don=99t think you have ever been anything BUT a gentleman.
>
> Happy New Year to all, and best wishes for awesome progress in 2018.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476964#476964
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Help with Spar Decision |
"the results were very positive". But what about negative G's?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | Comcast <4rcsimmons(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Rib to spar attachment. |
In reviewing drawing 5 for steel materials needed, it shows 2 nails at top a
nd bottom securing to the spar.
Is this what you guys do/did?
This is just enough to hold general position.
- Rich
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| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib to spar attachment. |
Most dont do it this way. Many dont secure at all. I tacked through the vertical
brace into the side of the spar
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 8:55 AM, Comcast <4rcsimmons(at)comcast.net> wrote:
>
> In reviewing drawing 5 for steel materials needed, it shows 2 nails at top and
bottom securing to the spar.
>
> Is this what you guys do/did?
>
> This is just enough to hold general position.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Rich
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Rib to spar attachment. |
That's all you will need, and I wouldn't do it until you have your wing
trammeled and the drag and anti drag wires tight. You might need to move a
rib or two to clear the bracing wires on the rib diagonals. Once the fabric
is in place and the rib lacing is done, the ribs are very secure.
Jack Phillips
Pietenpol NX899JP "Icarus Plummet", flying for 13 years
RV-10 N142KW, under construction, hopefully flying this year
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Comcast
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib to spar attachment.
In reviewing drawing 5 for steel materials needed, it shows 2 nails at top
and bottom securing to the spar.
Is this what you guys do/did?
This is just enough to hold general position.
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| From: | Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib to spar attachment. |
All the nails do is maintain position while glue cures
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Comcast <4rcsimmons(at)comcast.net> wrote:
>
> In reviewing drawing 5 for steel materials needed, it shows 2 nails at top and
bottom securing to the spar.
>
> Is this what you guys do/did?
>
> This is just enough to hold general position.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Rich
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| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib to spar attachment. |
Good point JP, I had to move or modify a couple of ribs to clear the cables...
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Jack Philips wrote:
>
>
> That's all you will need, and I wouldn't do it until you have your wing
> trammeled and the drag and anti drag wires tight. You might need to move a
> rib or two to clear the bracing wires on the rib diagonals. Once the fabric
> is in place and the rib lacing is done, the ribs are very secure.
>
> Jack Phillips
> Pietenpol NX899JP "Icarus Plummet", flying for 13 years
> RV-10 N142KW, under construction, hopefully flying this year
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Comcast
> Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 9:56 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib to spar attachment.
>
> In reviewing drawing 5 for steel materials needed, it shows 2 nails at top
> and bottom securing to the spar.
>
> Is this what you guys do/did?
>
> This is just enough to hold general position.
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Rib to spar attachment. |
Glue is not necessary, and might be detrimental if you ever need to replace
a rib. I did not glue my ribs in place.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glen
Schweizer
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib to spar attachment.
-->
All the nails do is maintain position while glue cures
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Comcast <4rcsimmons(at)comcast.net> wrote:
>
> In reviewing drawing 5 for steel materials needed, it shows 2 nails at top
and bottom securing to the spar.
>
> Is this what you guys do/did?
>
> This is just enough to hold general position.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Rich
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| From: | John C Black <john(at)jcblack.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib to spar attachment. |
I would appreciate any comments on my plan for assembling the ribs and
spars.
I am using Aluminum Spars from Carlson Aircraft. My plan is to make a
filler for the side of the spar facing the rib. a 1/2=9D
wide (maybe 1=9D wide) x 3/8=9D thick piece of spruce to
fill the ~4.25=9D space between the bottom & top rails
relieved for the top channel and bulbs on the spar. (See picture) To
assemble I would slide the filler into place. I want to make sure the
rib stays square to the spar. I want to experiment to determine whether
to epoxy the rib to the filler. If the rib stays square when epoxied to
the filler and the rib/filler can be slid along the spar in case it
needs to move for diagonal wires then I=99d use a single
screw/nut in the center of the spar to hold the rib in location. If
this approach had problems, then use no epoxy between rib and filler and
use 2 #8 screws with nuts to hold the filler and rib to the spar...
drilling 2 holes for screws 1.5=9D apart (1.5=9D from the
top & bottom of spar).
I have some small concern about drilling the spar, but the center of the
web is doing little work so I think that would be acceptable.
Since I=99ve never done this before, any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
John
La Conner, WA
On Jan 2, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Jack Philips
wrote:
Glue is not necessary, and might be detrimental if you ever need to
replace
a rib. I did not glue my ribs in place.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glen
Schweizer
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib to spar attachment.
-->
All the nails do is maintain position while glue cures
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Comcast <4rcsimmons(at)comcast.net> wrote:
>
> In reviewing drawing 5 for steel materials needed, it shows 2 nails at
top
and bottom securing to the spar.
>
> Is this what you guys do/did?
>
> This is just enough to hold general position.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Rich
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Rib to spar attachment. |
I=99m just curious, not judgmental, but why do you want to use
aluminum spars? It would seem that a great deal of extra work would be
involved, they would be heavier (by the time you add all the wood
fillers) and I=99m not sure without running a stress analysis that
they would be any stronger than wood spars. Are they cheaper?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John C
Black
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib to spar attachment.
I would appreciate any comments on my plan for assembling the ribs and
spars.
I am using Aluminum Spars from Carlson Aircraft. My plan is to make a
filler for the side of the spar facing the rib. a 1/2=9D
wide (maybe 1=9D wide) x 3/8=9D thick piece of spruce to
fill the ~4.25=9D space between the bottom & top rails
relieved for the top channel and bulbs on the spar. (See picture) To
assemble I would slide the filler into place. I want to make sure the
rib stays square to the spar. I want to experiment to determine whether
to epoxy the rib to the filler. If the rib stays square when epoxied to
the filler and the rib/filler can be slid along the spar in case it
needs to move for diagonal wires then I=99d use a single
screw/nut in the center of the spar to hold the rib in location. If
this approach had problems, then use no epoxy between rib and filler and
use 2 #8 screws with nuts to hold the filler and rib to the spar...
drilling 2 holes for screws 1.5=9D apart (1.5=9D from the
top & bottom of spar).
I have some small concern about drilling the spar, but the center of the
web is doing little work so I think that would be acceptable.
Since I=99ve never done this before, any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
John
La Conner, WA
On Jan 2, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Jack Philips > wrote:
>
Glue is not necessary, and might be detrimental if you ever need to
replace
a rib. I did not glue my ribs in place.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glen
Schweizer
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib to spar attachment.
--> >
All the nails do is maintain position while glue cures
On Jan 2, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Comcast <4rcsimmons(at)comcast.net
> wrote:
In reviewing drawing 5 for steel materials needed, it shows 2 nails at
top
and bottom securing to the spar.
Is this what you guys do/did?
This is just enough to hold general position.
- Rich
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| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib to spar attachment. |
Uncharted territory there John. Was your reason for aluminum weight savings?
Do you know how it=99s strength compare to plans spar? Using it will m
ean changes in many areas for things attached to the spar.
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 10:11 AM, John C Black wrote:
>
> I would appreciate any comments on my plan for assembling the ribs and spa
rs.
>
> I am using Aluminum Spars from Carlson Aircraft. My plan is to make a fi
ller for the side of the spar facing the rib. a 1/2=9D wide (
maybe 1=9D wide) x 3/8=9D thick piece of spruce to fill the ~4.2
5=9D space between the bottom & top rails relieved for the to
p channel and bulbs on the spar. (See picture) To assemble I would slide the
filler into place. I want to make sure the rib stays square to the spar. I
want to experiment to determine whether to epoxy the rib to the filler. If
the rib stays square when epoxied to the filler and the rib/filler can be s
lid along the spar in case it needs to move for diagonal wires then
I=99d use a single screw/nut in the center of the spar to hold the ri
b in location. If this approach had problems, then use no epoxy between rib
and filler and use 2 #8 screws with nuts to hold the filler and rib to the s
par... drilling 2 holes for screws 1.5=9D apart (1.5=9D from the
top & bottom of spar).
>
> I have some small concern about drilling the spar, but the center of the w
eb is doing little work so I think that would be acceptable.
>
> Since I=99ve never done this before, any help is appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
> La Conner, WA
> <000-Spar.JPG>
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Jack Philips wrote:
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>
> Glue is not necessary, and might be detrimental if you ever need to replac
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> a rib. I did not glue my ribs in place.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glen
> Schweizer
> Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 10:18 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib to spar attachment.
>
> -->
>
> All the nails do is maintain position while glue cures
>> On Jan 2, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Comcast <4rcsimmons(at)comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> In reviewing drawing 5 for steel materials needed, it shows 2 nails at to
p
> and bottom securing to the spar.
>>
>> Is this what you guys do/did?
>>
>> This is just enough to hold general position.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Rich
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| Subject: | Re: Rib to spar attachment. |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
John,
I am also using the aluminum extruded spars. I did the spacers pretty much as you
described and epoxied them to the spar, clamping them until the epoxy dried.
I trammeled my wings, then set the ribs where I wanted them. I wanted the ribs
to be equally spaced, and to do so, I had to dremel out a slot/space in one
or two diagonals. After the diagonals were slotted, I added additional diagonals
behind the slotted ones to reinforce them. I then epoxied them into place.
I wanted to ensure a transfer of the aerodynamic loads between the ribs and
the spars and was advised to glue them in place. I used a pin nailer to nail
the ribs in place until they dried.
Two things I would suggest, First, ensure your spacers are wide enough (mine were
about 1 and 1/2 inches wide) so you can move the ribs off the center of the
spacer if you need to and choose to move the ribs to clear the drag/anti-drag
wires. Second, if you choose to screw the ribs into place, I think that one screw
in the center of the shear web would be best, the loads are lowest at the
center of the shear web, and using the smallest screw possible should not affect
the spar strength.
My $.02. Keep us posted.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | John C Black <john(at)jcblack.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib to spar attachment. |
Using 14=99 lengths for comparison.
Carlson Spars (4-A) are $103 per 14=99 length My Spruce
is $10/bd ft so 7 bdft is $70 for 14=99, but there is waste wood
so I think costs are about equal.
My research says Aluminum spars are significantly stronger than Spruce.
My weight numbers =94 A 14=99 aluminum spar weighs 9lb 3oz
plus .5lb of fillers and fastenings 9lb 11oz total.
A 4.5=9Dx1=9Dx14=99 Sitka Spruce (.4375 cu ft @ 28
lb/cuft) spar would weigh 12.25 lbs less routed out 10=99x2.5=9D
x1/2=9D (.087 cu ft @ 28 lbs/cuft) = 2.43 lbs. So 12.25-2.43=
9.82lb (9lb 13oz).
I concluded :
Equal Cost
Equal Weight
Greater Strength
What's not to like ?
John
On Jan 2, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Jack Philips
wrote:
I=99m just curious, not judgmental, but why do you want to use
aluminum spars? It would seem that a great deal of extra work would be
involved, they would be heavier (by the time you add all the wood
fillers) and I=99m not sure without running a stress analysis that
they would be any stronger than wood spars. Are they cheaper?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John C
Black
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib to spar attachment.
I would appreciate any comments on my plan for assembling the ribs and
spars.
I am using Aluminum Spars from Carlson Aircraft. My plan is to make a
filler for the side of the spar facing the rib. a 1/2=9D
wide (maybe 1=9D wide) x 3/8=9D thick piece of spruce to
fill the ~4.25=9D space between the bottom & top rails
relieved for the top channel and bulbs on the spar. (See picture) To
assemble I would slide the filler into place. I want to make sure the
rib stays square to the spar. I want to experiment to determine whether
to epoxy the rib to the filler. If the rib stays square when epoxied to
the filler and the rib/filler can be slid along the spar in case it
needs to move for diagonal wires then I=99d use a single
screw/nut in the center of the spar to hold the rib in location. If
this approach had problems, then use no epoxy between rib and filler and
use 2 #8 screws with nuts to hold the filler and rib to the spar...
drilling 2 holes for screws 1.5=9D apart (1.5=9D from the
top & bottom of spar).
I have some small concern about drilling the spar, but the center of the
web is doing little work so I think that would be acceptable.
Since I=99ve never done this before, any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
John
La Conner, WA
On Jan 2, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Jack Philips > wrote:
>
Glue is not necessary, and might be detrimental if you ever need to
replace
a rib. I did not glue my ribs in place.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Glen
Schweizer
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib to spar attachment.
--> >
All the nails do is maintain position while glue cures
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Comcast <4rcsimmons(at)comcast.net
> wrote:
>
> In reviewing drawing 5 for steel materials needed, it shows 2 nails at
top
and bottom securing to the spar.
>
> Is this what you guys do/did?
>
> This is just enough to hold general position.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Rich
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
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| Subject: | Re: Rib to spar attachment. |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
OK, I am ready to duck into my foxhole after I hit and the shooting starts, but
I'm going to poke at the aluminum spar vs. wood spar topic. First of all though,
I'll say that the second installment of my upcoming series on Piet wing
spars (BPA Newsletter) will dig deeply into the weight and strength comparison
of almost a dozen different wing spar variations that are seen on the Sky Scout
and Air Camper, so what I'll throw out right now are just a few numbers that
I've come up with but I'll present no figgerin' to back up those numbers. Get
the newsletter to get the figgerin' ;o)
Best I can tell and calculate from the drawings in the 1932 Flying & Glider Manual,
there is about 0.715 cu. ft. of spruce in a routed 1" spar that measures
29 ft from tip to tip. That spruce will weigh 20.02 lb. A built-up "I" spar
of the same dimensions will probably weigh a little more due to the plywood in
the web and the glue used in the buildup, but it will perform about the same
and is a great option. Some judicious lightening holes in the plywood webs can
also improve the strength-to-weight ratio and are probably needed anyway to
allow brace cables and stiffeners to pass through the web.
Let's say that the routed 1" spruce spar is good for a maximum bending moment of
2475 ft-lb (see my first installment, coming out soon in the Newsletter). Now
comparing the data published by Carlson for their 4-A extruded spar, I get
a weight of right at 19 lb for a 29 ft spar length, and from my figgerin' I get
a maximum bending moment of 2407 ft-lb. From this I conclude that the routed
1" spruce spar and the Carlson 4-A spar are almost identical in weight and strength.
Now let's look at cost and ignore labor since experimental aircraft builders all
work for free, right? ;o) Aircraft Spruce shows 1" x 4-3/4" spruce spar stock
at $9.28/ft for a cost of $269.12 for 29 feet. Carlson shows the 4-A aluminum
spar material at $103 for a 14 ft length. If we cheat a bit and say we can
make the outer 6" of the wingtips out of something other than aluminum spar
stock so we can use standard length Carlson spars, two 14-footers will cost a
total of $206.
Using the spruce spars there's work to do the routing and smoothing. Using the
aluminum spars there's work to do the fitting of blocks to get the ribs to attach
to the spars neatly. Either way, there's work to do. Either way, the cost
is roughly the same. Either way, you should get just about the same outcome
once it gets in the air. So now we're down to pitting spruce vs. aluminum in
the never-ending circular argument that won Miller Lite the ranking of 8th best
advertising campaign in history: "tastes great, or less filling?" ;o) The
aluminum spars appear to be a very nice, very viable option, especially if you
don't have good wood available or if you're better at metal-working than at
wood-working.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Oscar, my call sign was W4KDJ. Have no idea who has it now, but wish I
still had it. Chuck
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my call
> sign was WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my blood from way
> back ;o)
>
> Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have
> thought and felt.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476958#476958
>
>
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| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Thanks, Terry. I try! Chuck
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 4:32 PM, jarheadpilot82
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Chuck,
>
> Good to hear from you. All comments like the intros were certainly in
> jest. I don=99t think you have ever been anything BUT a gentleman.
>
> Happy New Year to all, and best wishes for awesome progress in 2018.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476964#476964
>
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
I used to be a Ham. KA5NXA was my call sign. Had a Hallicrafters HT-37
transmitter and a Drake 2B receiver. Good times.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
N. Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics
Pietenpol list?
Oscar, my call sign was W4KDJ. Have no idea who has it now, but wish I
still had it. Chuck
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM, taildrags > wrote:
>
Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my call
sign was WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my blood from
way back ;o)
Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have
thought and felt.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Thank you for serving Glad you made it home safe
> On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Scott Knowlton wro
te:
>
> I never had a HAM operator=99s License but in 1991 I served as a UN P
eacekeeper in the Western Sahara just north of Mauritania and had a white To
yota Hilux with an HF radio. Our only form of communications back home (the
re being no internet in 1991) was the postal service, $10.00 per minute Sat P
hone or convincing my Australian Army Communications counterparts to teach m
e how to use the HF to get a =9Cphone patch=9D to my wife at hom
e in Ottawa. For nine months my wife and I had many extremely public phone c
onversations each of which required us to say, =9Cover=9D, every
time we finished what we wanted to say. I knew people were obviously liste
ning on our open HF frequency but I actually thought it was kind of cool tha
t a convo between a deployed soldier and his spouse could be shared with any
one with enough interest to listen in.
> I became a pretty savvy user of my HF radio and my only tactical error wit
h the HF radio happened on one of my last calls home when I had to deliver t
he news that my service would be required in the mission for an extra month a
nd that I wouldn=99t be home by Easter as planned... I pictured Ham ra
dio operators around the world stifling a snicker at my wife=99s respo
nse to my discouraging news, =9CI=99m getting tired of this miss
ion, I=99m getting tired of the Air Force, and I=99m getting rea
lly tired of saying =98over=99... over=9D.
> Yes I know, nothing to do with Pietenpols but since we=99re sharing H
am radio stories...happy new year everyone.
>
> Scott Knowlton
> Starting to cover with fabric - Burlington Ontario
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:06 AM, Jack Philips wrote:
>
>> I used to be a Ham. KA5NXA was my call sign. Had a Hallicrafters HT-37 t
ransmitter and a Drake 2B receiver. Good times.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l
ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles N. Campbell
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 8:12 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpo
l list?
>>
>> Oscar, my call sign was W4KDJ. Have no idea who has it now, but wish I s
till had it. Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM, taildrags wrote:
>>
>> Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my call s
ign was WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my blood from way ba
ck ;o)
>>
>> Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have thoug
ht and felt.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476958#476958
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
Oscar, no wonder I can't seem to get ahead on building the Piet -- I'm
spending two of the last 7 years reading your posts =98=BA Chuck
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:15 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Charles: it takes you half a day to read my posts because I enjoy
> writing. However, they say you can delete every other letter in a word a
nd
> your brain still sees enough of it to make sense. Maybe I'll try doing
> that and you'll be able to get through my posts in a quarter of a day ;o)
>
> Jeff B.: you say you haven't been as focused on the Piet. Have you
> thought about seeing an ophthalmologist about that focus problem?
>
> Steve D.: you find yourself on the Facebook page every day? And to think
> there are people going to psychiatrists and doing transcendental meditati
on
> for years in order to try to find themselves, and here you do it just by
> going to Facebook!
>
> Don Y.: I agree with your short list of indispensible guides to
> Pietenpoling, but I sure miss seeing Mike Cuy's excellent video "The
> Building & Flying of NX48MC" on the list. Wish he would continue making
it
> available since it is instructional, inspirational, and entertaining, all
> in one.
>
> John F.: the BPA Pietenpol list admin, Pat Weeden, was trying to work wit
h
> Matt Dralle, who of course is the admin of Matronics, to link the BPA sit
e
> to the Matronics archives so as not to lose all of that good information
> and searchability. However, there are quite a number of lists on Matroni
cs
> that see little activity but continue to be archived and supported by Mat
t
> year after year. For that reason, I never hesitate to send $$ to Matroni
cs
> every year so I can "mine" the archives and use the search engine as well
.
>
> I joined this list 16 years ago... 9/25/01... and had made 1,549 posts
> since joining. About 100 a year, or two a week on average. Sounds about
> right. I guess this one makes it 1,550 to end 2017 and kick off Year
> Seventeen on this list. And Charles: at the rate of a half-day to read
> each of my posts, you will have spent 775 days reading my posts. TWO
> YEARS!!! ;o) Thanks, fellows and gals.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476926#476926
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack; your mention of the Drake 2B receiver really brought back memories. My best
friend in high school, Horace Watson, was the guy who got me interested in
ham radio. We both took classes from the local ARRL club to prepare for the Novice
exam and to learn Morse. He had a Drake 2B and it was a radio that I always
imagined I might own when I was rich and successful and could afford to own
a really classy and professional radio. Mine was a Radio Shack receiver kit
that I built. Horace and I built and put up a 40m folded dipole antenna on
the roof of his garage, later to be joined by a 108-136MHz 1/4-wave groundplane
base station antenna for his aircraft band receiver. We were the only two kids
in high school who set our watches by WWV ;o)
He and I took the FAA private pilot written exam the same day, administered by
the weather specialist who manned the Cotulla, Texas FSS. Back in the day, you
could walk into the FSS for an in-person WX briefing or to look at the prog
charts and sequence reports as they came off the teletype. I believe Horace and
I were both 16 at the time and we both passed the private pilot written with
scores in the 90s. He went on to fly a 150, which I couldn't afford (like I
couldn't afford the Drake 2B), but just being around the airport and VHF radio
chatter was enough to keep the dream alive. Now here I am. Horace died a couple
of years ago.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477062#477062
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| From: | Claude Corbett <isablcorky(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 01/03/18 |
Hi Pietenpol members,
This is Laura Jelks. Corky's daughter. Wanted you all to know my Dad passed away
Saturday, Dec 30,2017. His funeral is tomorrow at 11:00 here in Birmingham.
His obit can be found at al.com/ obits. That is the Birmingham News paper here
in Birmingham.
Fondly,
Laura Jelks
laurajelks(at)remax.net
205-821-3384
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 4, 2018, at 1:40 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server
wrote:
>
> *
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>
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> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 05:12 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Charles
N. Campbell)
> 2. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Charles
N. Campbell)
> 3. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Jack
Philips)
> 4. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Scott
Knowlton)
> 5. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Glen
Schweizer)
> 6. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Charles
N. Campbell)
> 7. 08:22 PM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (taildrags)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> Oscar, my call sign was W4KDJ. Have no idea who has it now, but wish I
> still had it. Chuck
>
>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM, taildrags wrote:
>>
>>
>> Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my call
>> sign was WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my blood from way
>> back ;o)
>>
>> Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have
>> thought and felt.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476958#476958
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> Thanks, Terry. I try! Chuck
>
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 4:32 PM, jarheadpilot82
> wrote:
>
>> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Good to hear from you. All comments like the intros were certainly in
>> jest. I don=99t think you have ever been anything BUT a gentleman.
>>
>> Happy New Year to all, and best wishes for awesome progress in 2018.
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry Hand
>> Athens, GA
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476964#476964
>>
>>
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> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> I used to be a Ham. KA5NXA was my call sign. Had a Hallicrafters HT-37
> transmitter and a Drake 2B receiver. Good times.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> N. Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 8:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics
> Pietenpol list?
>
>
> Oscar, my call sign was W4KDJ. Have no idea who has it now, but wish I
> still had it. Chuck
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM, taildrags > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my call
> sign was WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my blood from
> way back ;o)
>
> Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have
> thought and felt.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476958#476958
>
>
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> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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> rel="noreferrer"
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>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
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> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> Thank you for serving Glad you made it home safe
>
>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Scott Knowlton wro
> te:
>>
>> I never had a HAM operator=99s License but in 1991 I served as a UN P
> eacekeeper in the Western Sahara just north of Mauritania and had a white To
> yota Hilux with an HF radio. Our only form of communications back home (the
> re being no internet in 1991) was the postal service, $10.00 per minute Sat P
> hone or convincing my Australian Army Communications counterparts to teach m
> e how to use the HF to get a =9Cphone patch=9D to my wife at hom
> e in Ottawa. For nine months my wife and I had many extremely public phone c
> onversations each of which required us to say, =9Cover=9D, every
> time we finished what we wanted to say. I knew people were obviously liste
> ning on our open HF frequency but I actually thought it was kind of cool tha
> t a convo between a deployed soldier and his spouse could be shared with any
> one with enough interest to listen in.
>> I became a pretty savvy user of my HF radio and my only tactical error wit
> h the HF radio happened on one of my last calls home when I had to deliver t
> he news that my service would be required in the mission for an extra month a
> nd that I wouldn=99t be home by Easter as planned... I pictured Ham ra
> dio operators around the world stifling a snicker at my wife=99s respo
> nse to my discouraging news, =9CI=99m getting tired of this miss
> ion, I=99m getting tired of the Air Force, and I=99m getting rea
> lly tired of saying =98over=99... over=9D.
>> Yes I know, nothing to do with Pietenpols but since we=99re sharing H
> am radio stories...happy new year everyone.
>>
>> Scott Knowlton
>> Starting to cover with fabric - Burlington Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:06 AM, Jack Philips wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I used to be a Ham. KA5NXA was my call sign. Had a Hallicrafters HT-37 t
> ransmitter and a Drake 2B receiver. Good times.
>>>
>>> Jack Phillips
>>> NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
>>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>>
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l
> ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles N. Campbell
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 8:12 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpo
> l list?
>>>
>>> Oscar, my call sign was W4KDJ. Have no idea who has it now, but wish I s
> till had it. Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my call s
> ign was WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my blood from way ba
> ck ;o)
>>>
>>> Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have thoug
> ht and felt.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>> Medford, OR
>>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476958#476958
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> n
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>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> Oscar, no wonder I can't seem to get ahead on building the Piet -- I'm
> spending two of the last 7 years reading your posts =98=BA Chuck
>
>
>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:15 PM, taildrags wrote:
>>
>>
>> Charles: it takes you half a day to read my posts because I enjoy
>> writing. However, they say you can delete every other letter in a word a
> nd
>> your brain still sees enough of it to make sense. Maybe I'll try doing
>> that and you'll be able to get through my posts in a quarter of a day ;o)
>>
>> Jeff B.: you say you haven't been as focused on the Piet. Have you
>> thought about seeing an ophthalmologist about that focus problem?
>>
>> Steve D.: you find yourself on the Facebook page every day? And to think
>> there are people going to psychiatrists and doing transcendental meditati
> on
>> for years in order to try to find themselves, and here you do it just by
>> going to Facebook!
>>
>> Don Y.: I agree with your short list of indispensible guides to
>> Pietenpoling, but I sure miss seeing Mike Cuy's excellent video "The
>> Building & Flying of NX48MC" on the list. Wish he would continue making
> it
>> available since it is instructional, inspirational, and entertaining, all
>> in one.
>>
>> John F.: the BPA Pietenpol list admin, Pat Weeden, was trying to work wit
> h
>> Matt Dralle, who of course is the admin of Matronics, to link the BPA sit
> e
>> to the Matronics archives so as not to lose all of that good information
>> and searchability. However, there are quite a number of lists on Matroni
> cs
>> that see little activity but continue to be archived and supported by Mat
> t
>> year after year. For that reason, I never hesitate to send $$ to Matroni
> cs
>> every year so I can "mine" the archives and use the search engine as well
> ..
>>
>> I joined this list 16 years ago... 9/25/01... and had made 1,549 posts
>> since joining. About 100 a year, or two a week on average. Sounds about
>> right. I guess this one makes it 1,550 to end 2017 and kick off Year
>> Seventeen on this list. And Charles: at the rate of a half-day to read
>> each of my posts, you will have spent 775 days reading my posts. TWO
>> YEARS!!! ;o) Thanks, fellows and gals.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476926#476926
>>
>>
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>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> Jack; your mention of the Drake 2B receiver really brought back memories. My
best
> friend in high school, Horace Watson, was the guy who got me interested in
> ham radio. We both took classes from the local ARRL club to prepare for the
Novice
> exam and to learn Morse. He had a Drake 2B and it was a radio that I always
> imagined I might own when I was rich and successful and could afford to own
> a really classy and professional radio. Mine was a Radio Shack receiver kit
> that I built. Horace and I built and put up a 40m folded dipole antenna on
> the roof of his garage, later to be joined by a 108-136MHz 1/4-wave groundplane
> base station antenna for his aircraft band receiver. We were the only two kids
> in high school who set our watches by WWV ;o)
>
> He and I took the FAA private pilot written exam the same day, administered by
> the weather specialist who manned the Cotulla, Texas FSS. Back in the day, you
> could walk into the FSS for an in-person WX briefing or to look at the prog
> charts and sequence reports as they came off the teletype. I believe Horace
and
> I were both 16 at the time and we both passed the private pilot written with
> scores in the 90s. He went on to fly a 150, which I couldn't afford (like I
> couldn't afford the Drake 2B), but just being around the airport and VHF radio
> chatter was enough to keep the dream alive. Now here I am. Horace died a couple
> of years ago.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477062#477062
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Claude Corbett <isablcorky(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 01/03/18 |
Hi Pietenpol members,
This is Laura Jelks. Corky's daughter. Wanted you all to know my Dad passed away
Saturday, Dec 30,2017. His funeral is tomorrow at 11:00 here in Birmingham.
His obit can be found at al.com/ obits. That is the Birmingham News paper here
in Birmingham.
Fondly,
Laura Jelks
laurajelks(at)remax.net
205-821-3384
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 4, 2018, at 1:40 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server
wrote:
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> Today's Message Index:
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>
> 1. 05:12 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Charles
N. Campbell)
> 2. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Charles
N. Campbell)
> 3. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Jack
Philips)
> 4. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Scott
Knowlton)
> 5. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Glen
Schweizer)
> 6. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Charles
N. Campbell)
> 7. 08:22 PM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (taildrags)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> Oscar, my call sign was W4KDJ. Have no idea who has it now, but wish I
> still had it. Chuck
>
>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM, taildrags wrote:
>>
>>
>> Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my call
>> sign was WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my blood from way
>> back ;o)
>>
>> Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have
>> thought and felt.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476958#476958
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> Thanks, Terry. I try! Chuck
>
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 4:32 PM, jarheadpilot82
> wrote:
>
>> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Good to hear from you. All comments like the intros were certainly in
>> jest. I don=99t think you have ever been anything BUT a gentleman.
>>
>> Happy New Year to all, and best wishes for awesome progress in 2018.
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry Hand
>> Athens, GA
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476964#476964
>>
>>
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> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> I used to be a Ham. KA5NXA was my call sign. Had a Hallicrafters HT-37
> transmitter and a Drake 2B receiver. Good times.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
> N. Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 8:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics
> Pietenpol list?
>
>
> Oscar, my call sign was W4KDJ. Have no idea who has it now, but wish I
> still had it. Chuck
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM, taildrags > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my call
> sign was WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my blood from
> way back ;o)
>
> Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have
> thought and felt.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476958#476958
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
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> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> Thank you for serving Glad you made it home safe
>
>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Scott Knowlton wro
> te:
>>
>> I never had a HAM operator=99s License but in 1991 I served as a UN P
> eacekeeper in the Western Sahara just north of Mauritania and had a white To
> yota Hilux with an HF radio. Our only form of communications back home (the
> re being no internet in 1991) was the postal service, $10.00 per minute Sat P
> hone or convincing my Australian Army Communications counterparts to teach m
> e how to use the HF to get a =9Cphone patch=9D to my wife at hom
> e in Ottawa. For nine months my wife and I had many extremely public phone c
> onversations each of which required us to say, =9Cover=9D, every
> time we finished what we wanted to say. I knew people were obviously liste
> ning on our open HF frequency but I actually thought it was kind of cool tha
> t a convo between a deployed soldier and his spouse could be shared with any
> one with enough interest to listen in.
>> I became a pretty savvy user of my HF radio and my only tactical error wit
> h the HF radio happened on one of my last calls home when I had to deliver t
> he news that my service would be required in the mission for an extra month a
> nd that I wouldn=99t be home by Easter as planned... I pictured Ham ra
> dio operators around the world stifling a snicker at my wife=99s respo
> nse to my discouraging news, =9CI=99m getting tired of this miss
> ion, I=99m getting tired of the Air Force, and I=99m getting rea
> lly tired of saying =98over=99... over=9D.
>> Yes I know, nothing to do with Pietenpols but since we=99re sharing H
> am radio stories...happy new year everyone.
>>
>> Scott Knowlton
>> Starting to cover with fabric - Burlington Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:06 AM, Jack Philips wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I used to be a Ham. KA5NXA was my call sign. Had a Hallicrafters HT-37 t
> ransmitter and a Drake 2B receiver. Good times.
>>>
>>> Jack Phillips
>>> NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
>>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>>
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l
> ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles N. Campbell
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 8:12 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpo
> l list?
>>>
>>> Oscar, my call sign was W4KDJ. Have no idea who has it now, but wish I s
> till had it. Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my call s
> ign was WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my blood from way ba
> ck ;o)
>>>
>>> Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have thoug
> ht and felt.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>> Medford, OR
>>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476958#476958
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> .com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> Oscar, no wonder I can't seem to get ahead on building the Piet -- I'm
> spending two of the last 7 years reading your posts =98=BA Chuck
>
>
>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:15 PM, taildrags wrote:
>>
>>
>> Charles: it takes you half a day to read my posts because I enjoy
>> writing. However, they say you can delete every other letter in a word a
> nd
>> your brain still sees enough of it to make sense. Maybe I'll try doing
>> that and you'll be able to get through my posts in a quarter of a day ;o)
>>
>> Jeff B.: you say you haven't been as focused on the Piet. Have you
>> thought about seeing an ophthalmologist about that focus problem?
>>
>> Steve D.: you find yourself on the Facebook page every day? And to think
>> there are people going to psychiatrists and doing transcendental meditati
> on
>> for years in order to try to find themselves, and here you do it just by
>> going to Facebook!
>>
>> Don Y.: I agree with your short list of indispensible guides to
>> Pietenpoling, but I sure miss seeing Mike Cuy's excellent video "The
>> Building & Flying of NX48MC" on the list. Wish he would continue making
> it
>> available since it is instructional, inspirational, and entertaining, all
>> in one.
>>
>> John F.: the BPA Pietenpol list admin, Pat Weeden, was trying to work wit
> h
>> Matt Dralle, who of course is the admin of Matronics, to link the BPA sit
> e
>> to the Matronics archives so as not to lose all of that good information
>> and searchability. However, there are quite a number of lists on Matroni
> cs
>> that see little activity but continue to be archived and supported by Mat
> t
>> year after year. For that reason, I never hesitate to send $$ to Matroni
> cs
>> every year so I can "mine" the archives and use the search engine as well
> ..
>>
>> I joined this list 16 years ago... 9/25/01... and had made 1,549 posts
>> since joining. About 100 a year, or two a week on average. Sounds about
>> right. I guess this one makes it 1,550 to end 2017 and kick off Year
>> Seventeen on this list. And Charles: at the rate of a half-day to read
>> each of my posts, you will have spent 775 days reading my posts. TWO
>> YEARS!!! ;o) Thanks, fellows and gals.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476926#476926
>>
>>
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>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> Jack; your mention of the Drake 2B receiver really brought back memories. My
best
> friend in high school, Horace Watson, was the guy who got me interested in
> ham radio. We both took classes from the local ARRL club to prepare for the
Novice
> exam and to learn Morse. He had a Drake 2B and it was a radio that I always
> imagined I might own when I was rich and successful and could afford to own
> a really classy and professional radio. Mine was a Radio Shack receiver kit
> that I built. Horace and I built and put up a 40m folded dipole antenna on
> the roof of his garage, later to be joined by a 108-136MHz 1/4-wave groundplane
> base station antenna for his aircraft band receiver. We were the only two kids
> in high school who set our watches by WWV ;o)
>
> He and I took the FAA private pilot written exam the same day, administered by
> the weather specialist who manned the Cotulla, Texas FSS. Back in the day, you
> could walk into the FSS for an in-person WX briefing or to look at the prog
> charts and sequence reports as they came off the teletype. I believe Horace
and
> I were both 16 at the time and we both passed the private pilot written with
> scores in the 90s. He went on to fly a 150, which I couldn't afford (like I
> couldn't afford the Drake 2B), but just being around the airport and VHF radio
> chatter was enough to keep the dream alive. Now here I am. Horace died a couple
> of years ago.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477062#477062
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Jardine <Brian.Jardine(at)Plexus.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 01/03/18 |
Sorry to hear of Corky's passing. He seemed like a fine Southern Gentleman.
Brian
Meridian, ID
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Claude Corbett
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 9:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 01/03/18
-->
Hi Pietenpol members,
This is Laura Jelks. Corky's daughter. Wanted you all to know my Dad passed away
Saturday, Dec 30,2017. His funeral is tomorrow at 11:00 here in Birmingham.
His obit can be found at al.com/ obits. That is the Birmingham News paper here
in Birmingham.
Fondly,
Laura Jelks
laurajelks(at)remax.net
205-821-3384
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 4, 2018, at 1:40 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server
wrote:
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>
> 1. 05:12 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Charles
N. Campbell)
> 2. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Charles
N. Campbell)
> 3. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Jack
Philips)
> 4. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Scott
Knowlton)
> 5. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Glen
Schweizer)
> 6. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list? (Charles
N. Campbell)
> 7. 08:22 PM - Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
> (taildrags)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> Oscar, my call sign was W4KDJ. Have no idea who has it now, but wish
> I still had it. Chuck
>
>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM, taildrags wrote:
>>
>>
>> Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my
>> call sign was WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my
>> blood from way back ;o)
>>
>> Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have
>> thought and felt.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476958#476958
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> Thanks, Terry. I try! Chuck
>
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 4:32 PM, jarheadpilot82
>
> wrote:
>
>> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Good to hear from you. All comments like the intros were certainly in
>> jest. I don=99t think you have ever been anything BUT a gentleman.
>>
>> Happy New Year to all, and best wishes for awesome progress in 2018.
>>
>> --------
>> Semper Fi,
>>
>> Terry Hand
>> Athens, GA
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476964#476964
>>
>>
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>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> I used to be a Ham. KA5NXA was my call sign. Had a Hallicrafters
> HT-37 transmitter and a Drake 2B receiver. Good times.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Charles N. Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 8:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics
> Pietenpol list?
>
>
> Oscar, my call sign was W4KDJ. Have no idea who has it now, but wish
> I still had it. Chuck
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM, taildrags > wrote:
>
> >
>
> Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my
> call sign was WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my blood
> from way back ;o)
>
> Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have
> thought and felt.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476958#476958
>
>
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>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
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> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> Thank you for serving Glad you made it home safe
>
>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:03 AM, Scott Knowlton
>> wro
> te:
>>
>> I never had a HAM operator=99s License but in 1991 I served as a UN P
> eacekeeper in the Western Sahara just north of Mauritania and had a
> white To yota Hilux with an HF radio. Our only form of communications
> back home (the re being no internet in 1991) was the postal service,
> $10.00 per minute Sat P hone or convincing my Australian Army
> Communications counterparts to teach m e how to use the HF to get a
> =9Cphone patch=9D to my wife at hom e in Ottawa. For nine months my
> wife and I had many extremely public phone c onversations each of
> which required us to say, =9Cover=9D, every time we finished what we
> wanted to say. I knew people were obviously liste ning on our open HF
> frequency but I actually thought it was kind of cool tha t a convo
> between a deployed soldier and his spouse could be shared with any one with enough
interest to listen in.
>> I became a pretty savvy user of my HF radio and my only tactical
>> error wit
> h the HF radio happened on one of my last calls home when I had to
> deliver t he news that my service would be required in the mission for
> an extra month a nd that I wouldn=99t be home by Easter as planned...
> I pictured Ham ra dio operators around the world stifling a snicker at
> my wife=99s respo nse to my discouraging news, =9CI=99m getting tired
> of this miss ion, I=99m getting tired of the Air Force, and I=99m
> getting rea lly tired of saying =98over=99... over=9D.
>> Yes I know, nothing to do with Pietenpols but since we=99re sharing H
> am radio stories...happy new year everyone.
>>
>> Scott Knowlton
>> Starting to cover with fabric - Burlington Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:06 AM, Jack Philips wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I used to be a Ham. KA5NXA was my call sign. Had a Hallicrafters
>>> HT-37 t
> ransmitter and a Drake 2B receiver. Good times.
>>>
>>> Jack Phillips
>>> NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
>>> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>>>
>>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-l
> ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles N. Campbell
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 8:12 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics
>>> Pietenpo
> l list?
>>>
>>> Oscar, my call sign was W4KDJ. Have no idea who has it now, but
>>> wish I s
> till had it. Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 12:01 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> Charles; back when I held a Novice class amateur radio license, my
>>> call s
> ign was WN5ODE. So you see, writing an ode has been in my blood from
> way ba ck ;o)
>>>
>>> Terry: thanks for putting into words what several others of us have
>>> thoug
> ht and felt.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>> Medford, OR
>>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476958#476958
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> .com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Charles N. Campbell" <charlescampbell1924(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
>
> Oscar, no wonder I can't seem to get ahead on building the Piet -- I'm
> spending two of the last 7 years reading your posts =98=BA Chuck
>
>
>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:15 PM, taildrags wrote:
>>
>>
>> Charles: it takes you half a day to read my posts because I enjoy
>> writing. However, they say you can delete every other letter in a
>> word a
> nd
>> your brain still sees enough of it to make sense. Maybe I'll try
>> doing that and you'll be able to get through my posts in a quarter of
>> a day ;o)
>>
>> Jeff B.: you say you haven't been as focused on the Piet. Have you
>> thought about seeing an ophthalmologist about that focus problem?
>>
>> Steve D.: you find yourself on the Facebook page every day? And to
>> think there are people going to psychiatrists and doing
>> transcendental meditati
> on
>> for years in order to try to find themselves, and here you do it just
>> by going to Facebook!
>>
>> Don Y.: I agree with your short list of indispensible guides to
>> Pietenpoling, but I sure miss seeing Mike Cuy's excellent video "The
>> Building & Flying of NX48MC" on the list. Wish he would continue
>> making
> it
>> available since it is instructional, inspirational, and entertaining,
>> all in one.
>>
>> John F.: the BPA Pietenpol list admin, Pat Weeden, was trying to work
>> wit
> h
>> Matt Dralle, who of course is the admin of Matronics, to link the BPA
>> sit
> e
>> to the Matronics archives so as not to lose all of that good
>> information and searchability. However, there are quite a number of
>> lists on Matroni
> cs
>> that see little activity but continue to be archived and supported by
>> Mat
> t
>> year after year. For that reason, I never hesitate to send $$ to
>> Matroni
> cs
>> every year so I can "mine" the archives and use the search engine as
>> well
> ..
>>
>> I joined this list 16 years ago... 9/25/01... and had made 1,549
>> posts since joining. About 100 a year, or two a week on average.
>> Sounds about right. I guess this one makes it 1,550 to end 2017 and
>> kick off Year Seventeen on this list. And Charles: at the rate of a
>> half-day to read each of my posts, you will have spent 775 days
>> reading my posts. TWO YEARS!!! ;o) Thanks, fellows and gals.
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476926#476926
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2017 - the end of the Matronics Pietenpol list?
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> Jack; your mention of the Drake 2B receiver really brought back
> memories. My best friend in high school, Horace Watson, was the guy
> who got me interested in ham radio. We both took classes from the
> local ARRL club to prepare for the Novice exam and to learn Morse. He
> had a Drake 2B and it was a radio that I always imagined I might own
> when I was rich and successful and could afford to own a really classy
> and professional radio. Mine was a Radio Shack receiver kit that I
> built. Horace and I built and put up a 40m folded dipole antenna on
> the roof of his garage, later to be joined by a 108-136MHz 1/4-wave
> groundplane base station antenna for his aircraft band receiver. We
> were the only two kids in high school who set our watches by WWV ;o)
>
> He and I took the FAA private pilot written exam the same day,
> administered by the weather specialist who manned the Cotulla, Texas
> FSS. Back in the day, you could walk into the FSS for an in-person WX
> briefing or to look at the prog charts and sequence reports as they
> came off the teletype. I believe Horace and I were both 16 at the
> time and we both passed the private pilot written with scores in the
> 90s. He went on to fly a 150, which I couldn't afford (like I
> couldn't afford the Drake 2B), but just being around the airport and
> VHF radio chatter was enough to keep the dream alive. Now here I am. Horace
died a couple of years ago.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477062#477062
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John C Black <john(at)jcblack.com> |
| Subject: | Wing Strut Attachment |
Today I am worrying about how to attach the Struts.
What are you guys doing to attach the Struts ?
The top Strut fitting is especially challenging.
I am using a Carlson Aircraft extrusion for my struts.
To attach the strut, Carlson sells a 1=9Dx3/4=9D aluminum
extrusion that slides into the end of the strut. Then you bolt it in
place. I cut this extrusion into 8=9D lengths. I put this
8=9D piece in the lathe and end drilled and threaded a 7/16 hole
2=9D deep into the strut.
On the lower end I plan to use this wing strut adjustment fork from
Aircraft Spruce.
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/strutadjfbsets2.php
The top end is more challenging. The wing may move forward or back to
adjust weight/balance. This movement changes the angle that the strut
meets the wing so the attachment needs to be flexible. I see
that some builders have used a helm joint. This is a simple solution,
but I wonder about the loads on the fitting. The strongest Helm joint
that I could find is rated at 14,000 lbs :
That is a little weaker than the strut.
What are you guys doing ?
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 01/03/18 |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks so much for letting us know, Laura. He had a good run, he became a good
friend of mine, and I am proud to say that I own and fly something that he built
with his own hands.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477070#477070
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 01/03/18 |
Wow, We all know him from his Pietenpol building and flying posts. But that
was apparently one corner of his life and interests.
God Bless.
Steve D.
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Brian Jardine
wrote:
> Brian.Jardine(at)plexus.com>
>
> Sorry to hear of Corky's passing. He seemed like a fine Southern Gentleman.
>
> Brian
> Meridian, ID
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Claude Corbett
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 9:02 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 01/03/18
>
> -->
>
> Hi Pietenpol members,
> This is Laura Jelks. Corky's daughter. Wanted you all to know my Dad
> passed away Saturday, Dec 30,2017. His funeral is tomorrow at 11:00 here
> in Birmingham. His obit can be found at al.com/ obits. That is the
> Birmingham News paper here in Birmingham.
>
> Fondly,
> Laura Jelks
> laurajelks(at)remax.net
> 205-821-3384
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 4, 2018, at 1:40 AM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server <
> pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> wrote:
> >
> > *
> >
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