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October 31, 2019 - September 08, 2020
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Cut-out for torque tube-and strut question |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm wondering if the hole I cut out (passenger seat) will be large enough for both
the torque tube and the connecting rod for both control sticks.
Also, the plans don't show a block of wood for strut connection at the forward
area. I'm show a photo of the aft and wondering if my forward is how it should
look.
Thank you!
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John Cronin
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| Subject: | Re: Cut-out for torque tube-and strut question |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
John; lots of photos of that cutout on Westcoastpiet.com, such as this one of Bob Coolbaugh's build, which shows a much wider cutout than yours: http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Bob%20Coolbaugh/images/IMG_0947.JPG . Mine is more like yours but it has a 'bite' taken out of one side to clear the linkage rod. The original builder did this, not me.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Cut-out for torque tube-and strut question |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Thank you Oscar. The link shows a photo of the front cutout of the passenger seat.
I can't make out the passenger back area which is where my cutout is narrow
thanks to the V sticks. I'll search around. I saw a Pietenpol skeleton at OSH
and it had the same bite as yours. It's probably a common solution.
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| Subject: | Corvair Battery Location |
| From: | "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> |
You guys flying with Corvair engines, where did you locate your battery? What Battery
did you use. Photos would help. Thanks.
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Harv, 485PB
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Battery Location |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Harv; your best resources on this list are going to be Gary Boothe, Kevin Purtee,
Shad Bell... people with CorvAirCampers who put plenty of flight hours on their
airplanes and know the best locations and batteries to use. High-time pilots
on the CorvAircraft list can help as well.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Cut-out for torque tube-and strut question |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Hi John
This is a picture of mine before i cleaned up the glue-
the hole is about 4.75" wide by 5" high and everything fits fine.
I did move the connecting rod to the other side of the sticks.
that way (flying right handed) my hand will hit my thigh before the
connecting rod will hit the side of the cutout.
And yes, add a block to the front for the front cabane fittings.
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cut-out for torque tube-and strut question |
Earl is that a mail bag on the engine mount?
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 2, 2019, at 2:04 PM, echobravo4 wrote:
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> This is a picture of mine before i cleaned up the glue-
> the hole is about 4.75" wide by 5" high and everything fits fine.
> I did move the connecting rod to the other side of the sticks.
> that way (flying right handed) my hand will hit my thigh before the
> connecting rod will hit the side of the cutout.
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> And yes, add a block to the front for the front cabane fittings.
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> Earl Brown
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> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where
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| Subject: | Re: Cut-out for torque tube-and strut question |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Haha! yea, I'm converting the front cockpit to a mail bin!
it's a leather shop apron
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cut-out for torque tube-and strut question |
A beaut!
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 2, 2019, at 4:49 PM, echobravo4 wrote:
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> it's a leather shop apron
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> Earl Brown
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| Subject: | Re: Cut-out for torque tube-and strut question |
| From: | "Pocono John" <tinmotion(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Earl!
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John Cronin
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| Subject: | Re: Cut-out for torque tube-and strut question |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Really nice woodwork on the seat framing. I like the gussets (hidden) on the underside
of the front seat framing, but the radiused arches forming the top of
the fuselage are really nice.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Cut-out for torque tube-and strut question |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Thank you, Oscar
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Earl Brown
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intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Cut-out for torque tube-and strut question |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Earl: what do you have going on here, under the front seat? Attach points for
the passenger's lap belt?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Cut-out for torque tube-and strut question |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
yes, they can be removed if I use the front cockpit for gear.
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Earl Brown
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intended to be.
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| Subject: | Bending rib capstrips -- Again! |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com> |
Guys,
I'm doing research on potentially building an Aircamper with the original wing.
The Piet Aircraft Company, on their website, states that no steaming (and I
assume that implies or soaking) is required to build a wing rib. However, an
internet search seems to indicate that everyone, or at least almost everyone,
either steams or soaks the top rib capstrip. As a noob who knows nothing about
wood construction (I built an RV-10), is this a classic case of "theory" vs
practical reality? By that I mean that while it's possible to place the top
capstrip in the rib jig without it breaking that more often than not it will so
best practice is if you don't want to keep buying capstrip material is to either
stream or soak them and place into a separate bending jig before moving to
the rib jig? My apologies if this has been asked a 1000 times before.
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Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Cut-out for torque tube-and strut question |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Earl; my front cockpit shoulder harness and lap belt are also removable, via clip-on
attachments. The belt and harness are military surplus. I keep them removed
unless I'm going to be taking a passenger, because otherwise the belt gets
in the way of my feet (rudder and brakes). Good idea.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending rib capstrips -- Again! |
Boiling capstrip material for twenty minutes makes strips bend like wet spaghetti.
Clamped between a wooden form for a couple of days to dry gives a no stress
top rib . The form is easily made on a bandsaw from a piece of 4x6 scrap. Cut
the shape of the rib from front spar forward and you have it.
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 8:14 AM, tsts4 wrote:
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> Guys,
> I'm doing research on potentially building an Aircamper with the original wing.
The Piet Aircraft Company, on their website, states that no steaming (and
I assume that implies or soaking) is required to build a wing rib. However, an
internet search seems to indicate that everyone, or at least almost everyone,
either steams or soaks the top rib capstrip. As a noob who knows nothing about
wood construction (I built an RV-10), is this a classic case of "theory" vs
practical reality? By that I mean that while it's possible to place the top
capstrip in the rib jig without it breaking that more often than not it will
so best practice is if you don't want to keep buying capstrip material is to
either stream or soak them and place into a separate bending jig before moving
to the rib jig? My apologies if this has been asked a 1000 times before.
>
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> Todd Stovall
> aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF
> RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Bending rib capstrips -- Again! |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com> |
glen wrote:
> Boiling capstrip material for twenty minutes makes strips bend like wet spaghetti.
Clamped between a wooden form for a couple of days to dry gives a no stress
top rib . The form is easily made on a bandsaw from a piece of 4x6 scrap.
Cut the shape of the rib from front spar forward and you have it.
>
>
Thanks for the info. However I'm less interested in the "how" as there's lots
of info on that. My question is more basic: Is pre-bending of the top capstrips
necessary?
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Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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| From: | Brian Jardine <Brian.Jardine(at)Plexus.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending rib capstrips -- Again! |
Todd,
Yes pre-bending is necessary. I tried both ways on my Piet ribs and if you don't
soak or steam the cap-strips they will snap.
Brian
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Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 10:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending rib capstrips -- Again!
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glen wrote:
> Boiling capstrip material for twenty minutes makes strips bend like wet spaghetti.
Clamped between a wooden form for a couple of days to dry gives a no stress
top rib ???. The form is easily made on a bandsaw from a piece of 4x6 scrap.
Cut the shape of the rib from front spar forward and you have it.
>
>
Thanks for the info. However I'm less interested in the "how" as there's lots
of info on that. My question is more basic: Is pre-bending of the top capstrips
necessary?
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Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Bending rib capstrips -- Again! |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com> |
Brian.Jardine(at)Plexus.c wrote:
> Todd,
> Yes pre-bending is necessary. I tried both ways on my Piet ribs and if you don't
soak or steam the cap-strips they will snap.
>
> Brian
> --
Thanks Brian! That's question #2 off my list answered - only about a thousand
more to go and I might be ready to buy the plans!
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Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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| From: | Chris Tracy <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bending rib capstrips -- Again! |
=C2-Yes
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:07 AM, tsts4 wrote: --> Pie
tenpol-List message posted by: "tsts4"
glen wrote:
> Boiling capstrip material for twenty minutes makes strips bend like wet s
paghetti. Clamped between a wooden form for a couple of days to dry gives a
no stress top rib =C3=B0=C5=B8=CB=9C=C6=92. The form is easily made on a b
andsaw from a piece of 4x6 scrap. Cut the shape of the rib from front spar
forward and you have it.
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Thanks for the info.=C2- However I'm less interested in the "how" as ther
e's lots of info on that. My question is more basic:=C2- Is pre-bending o
f the top capstrips necessary?
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Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
sorry for the lack of updates but haven't had any progress to report until today.
I haven't had much free time lately. I did find some time to do a job I have
been putting off out of fear of screwing up parts that took a lot of time to
build. I cut the slots for the hinges on my horizontal stab and elevators.
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| Subject: | Battery Location/Firewall Layout |
| From: | "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> |
Ok, let's try again. As suggested I tried the Corvaircraft List. I tried the Pietvair
web site. No responses just a lot of viewers.
I would like a layout and/or photos of where those with Corvair engines have located
their battery. Also, photos and/or layout of your firewall.
Please help.
Thanks.
--------
Harv, 485PB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=492667#492667
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location/Firewall Layout |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com> |
Might try searching FlyCorvair.net or contacting William Wynn.
--------
Todd Stovall
aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=492668#492668
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location/Firewall Layout |
| From: | "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> |
I did Flycorvair/William Wynn already. Nothing there.
--------
Harv, 485PB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=492677#492677
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Battery Location/Firewall Layout |
Harvey,
I just saw your post so hopefully I don't repeat anyone else. I built a wooden
frame base using 1" x 3/4" wood right behind the firewall. I then fabricated
a strap out of 4130 and lined it with silicon closed-cell foam, 1/8" thick.
It obviously holds the battery in place. If you'll email me offline I'll send
you a couple of pix.
Regards,
John Franklin
GN-1 Aircamper/ Corvair 164cid
-----Original Message-----
>From: Harvey Plummer <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Nov 10, 2019 9:12 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Battery Location/Firewall Layout
>
>
>Ok, let's try again. As suggested I tried the Corvaircraft List. I tried the Pietvair
web site. No responses just a lot of viewers.
>
>I would like a layout and/or photos of where those with Corvair engines have located
their battery. Also, photos and/or layout of your firewall.
>
>Please help.
>
>Thanks.
>
>--------
>Harv, 485PB
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=492667#492667
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location/Firewall Layout |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Harvey;
You can usually dig through photos on Westcoastpiet.com and find something. For
example, here are some pix of Gary Boothe's Corvair setup First-
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/P1010216.JPG shows the engine side of the firewall with the MSD coil switcher on the left, then what appears to be a dynamo regulator module to the right of that, then the starter solenoid by the size of the fat cables connecting to each side of it.
Looking at the back side of the firewall, you might get a glimpse of the battery
(with the red top) on the right side of this image-
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/Primer%20Line,%202.jpg
Ignition coils here-
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/Engine,%205-16-10,%201.jpg
-Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=492689#492689
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location/Firewall Layout |
| From: | "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> |
John Franklin, I would send you an email if I had your address. You can send me
one by clicking on email at the bottom of my original message.
thanks.
--------
Harv, 485PB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=492778#492778
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location/Firewall Layout |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Harvey: his email is in the intro to his post... jbfjr (at)peoplepc.com
-Oscar
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=492780#492780
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming |
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| Subject: | Wing vs Fuse fuel tank for Corvair powered Piet |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com> |
Title kinda says it all, but what are the pros and cons of each? Is there a majority
that favors one over the other? Bare in mind I don't even have a set of
plans yet so this is just one of a million questions that I have after spending
hours on various Air Camper forums, web sties, and YouTube.
--------
Todd Stovall
aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=492867#492867
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing vs Fuse fuel tank for Corvair powered Piet |
Todd,
Since I had decided to build my Aircamper as a one-seater, I put the fuel tank
in what would have been the passenger's seat. When I test ran the engine on the
gear, it ran fine. I measured the fuel rate and it was pretty high, about
10 gal/hr IIRC. However, when I measured the flow rate at a takeoff attitude
(17 deg. I think), the flow rate plummeted. It wasn't even close to the minimum
required, which is twice the full-throttle consumption. So, I toyed with the
idea of putting in an electric fuel pump but I had already done my electrical
system. Also, if you have an electric fuel pump you probably want redundancy
and that just complicated the issue, so I ended up fabricating a fuel tank
and putting it up in the center section.
A couple of notes; your fuel system needs to be carefully designed to prevent water
collecting in it. Please read about Kevin Purtee's incident with water in
the fuel system. Second, if you do put the tank up in the center section, please
read William Wynne's article on how to properly brace parasol-wing airplanes.
If you place the fuselage tank right behind the firewall, it should work, I think
a number of builders have placed it there.
Hope this helps, and best of luck.
John F.
Needville, TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: tsts4 <tsts4us(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 13, 2019 1:08 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing vs Fuse fuel tank for Corvair powered Piet
>
>
>Title kinda says it all, but what are the pros and cons of each? Is there a majority
that favors one over the other? Bare in mind I don't even have a set of
plans yet so this is just one of a million questions that I have after spending
hours on various Air Camper forums, web sties, and YouTube.
>
>--------
>Todd Stovall
>aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
>RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=492867#492867
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
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--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt |
Dralle?
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
G'day, Pietenpolers;
In an effort to get a Piet thread bumped to the top of the topics list instead
of the annual list support threads (I already made my annual contribution to Matronics,
thank you Matt), I'm throwing out a general question about throttle
setups. I don't like the setup on my airplane and am going to start from scratch.
To describe what I have, it's a Bowden cable running from the rear cockpit
to the carb. In the front cockpit, a wooden sewing thread bobbin with the
edges rounded off has been slipped over the center wire with bug nuts clamping
each side of it to the center wire to let the front cockpit occupant slide it
back and forth to work the throttle. The setup looks pretty cheesy, but since
it's tucked in pretty tight under the top edge of the cockpit, I've never had
a passenger snag it or bump it while getting in or out. Other than that, not
much else good about it.
In the rear cockpit, a simple flat aluminum lever with the pivot point at the bottom
and a round knob up near the top coaming works the throttle. It's pretty
cheesy too, but what I like is that I can rest my left hand on the coaming and
use my fingertips to work the throttle. It's very stable and easy to make
small changes in engine power that way, especially on a bumpy afternoon. Since
the knob is up near the coaming rather than down further, I can also reach in
and work the throttle very easily from outside the cockpit while prop-starting.
It also has enough friction and drag in the cables and lever where I can
set throttle in cruise and rarely have it back off or creep off of the RPM that
I want.
So what I'm looking for are pix or ideas on how you set up your throttle(s). I've
looked through some of the setups in Westcoastpiet. I've already decided
to link the front and rear throttles with a rod rather than with the Bowden cable,
but other than that, I'm open to ideas. The builder routed the throttle
cable inside the cockpit, not outside between the plywood and fabric, so I can
get to all of it if I choose to. Thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493401#493401
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| From: | Semih Oksay <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: throttle setup |
Hi Oscar
I made my throttle levers as in the picture. Front and rear are identical,
connected with solid rod. A bowden cable, actually marine throttle or
gearshift linkage, runs from the rear lever to the carb, inside wall of the
cockpits. The size of the bowden is the same as the piper's, but since it
is marine, it is all in stainless steel.
Cheers
Semih Oksay, Istanbul, Turkey (Now in Orlando,Fl)
On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 2:42 PM taildrags wrote:
>
> G'day, Pietenpolers;
>
> In an effort to get a Piet thread bumped to the top of the topics list
> instead of the annual list support threads (I already made my annual
> contribution to Matronics, thank you Matt), I'm throwing out a general
> question about throttle setups. I don't like the setup on my airplane and
> am going to start from scratch. To describe what I have, it's a Bowden
> cable running from the rear cockpit to the carb. In the front cockpit, a
> wooden sewing thread bobbin with the edges rounded off has been slipped
> over the center wire with bug nuts clamping each side of it to the center
> wire to let the front cockpit occupant slide it back and forth to work the
> throttle. The setup looks pretty cheesy, but since it's tucked in pretty
> tight under the top edge of the cockpit, I've never had a passenger snag it
> or bump it while getting in or out. Other than that, not much else good
> about it.
>
> In the rear cockpit, a simple flat aluminum lever with the pivot point at
> the bottom and a round knob up near the top coaming works the throttle.
> It's pretty cheesy too, but what I like is that I can rest my left hand on
> the coaming and use my fingertips to work the throttle. It's very stable
> and easy to make small changes in engine power that way, especially on a
> bumpy afternoon. Since the knob is up near the coaming rather than down
> further, I can also reach in and work the throttle very easily from outside
> the cockpit while prop-starting. It also has enough friction and drag in
> the cables and lever where I can set throttle in cruise and rarely have it
> back off or creep off of the RPM that I want.
>
> So what I'm looking for are pix or ideas on how you set up your
> throttle(s). I've looked through some of the setups in Westcoastpiet.
> I've already decided to link the front and rear throttles with a rod rather
> than with the Bowden cable, but other than that, I'm open to ideas. The
> builder routed the throttle cable inside the cockpit, not outside between
> the plywood and fabric, so I can get to all of it if I choose to. Thanks.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493401#493401
>
>
--
Semih Oksay
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bruce Kirk <brucekirk(at)ymail.com> |
Hi everyone I have a question about the performance of a pietenpol operating at
airports at airports at an elevation of 3000 plus feet with an A65 engine.
Sent from my iPhone
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! |
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner with just few more days
in this year's Fund Raiser! Later in December I will post a list of everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists this year. Its
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for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists.
Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard,
or Paypal account:
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I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving!
Thank you!
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: throttle setup |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com> |
Semih, was there a particular reason you ran your Bowden cable from the rear throttle
lever instead of the front lever?
--------
Todd Stovall
aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493464#493464
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| From: | Semih Oksay <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/25/19 |
Hi Todd
The reason for my running the cable from rear cockpit is simply the length
of the cable. Since it is originally a marine cable, I could't find
anything short enough for the front cockpit. Later on when I visited Ben
Charvet, I found out he did the same with a different reason: Flying the
aircraft from the rear seat, he did not want any extra linkages and joins
in the way. To me a very very logical argument.
Cheers
Semih Oksay, building in Istanbul, Turkey, now in Orlando, Fl
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:46 AM Pietenpol-List Digest Server <
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> wrote:
> *
>
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>
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> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
>
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> Pietenpol-List Digest Archive
> ---
> Total Messages Posted Mon 11/25/19: 4
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 0. 11:09 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! (Matt Dralle)
> 1. 06:11 AM - Re: throttle setup (Semih Oksay)
> 2. 07:36 AM - Performance (Bruce Kirk)
> 3. 11:14 AM - Re: throttle setup (tsts4)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 0
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Make Sure You're Listed!
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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>
> From: Semih Oksay <semihoksay(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: throttle setup
>
> Hi Oscar
>
> I made my throttle levers as in the picture. Front and rear are identical,
> connected with solid rod. A bowden cable, actually marine throttle or
> gearshift linkage, runs from the rear lever to the carb, inside wall of the
> cockpits. The size of the bowden is the same as the piper's, but since it
> is marine, it is all in stainless steel.
>
> Cheers
>
> Semih Oksay, Istanbul, Turkey (Now in Orlando,Fl)
>
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 2:42 PM taildrags wrote:
>
> >
> > G'day, Pietenpolers;
> >
> > In an effort to get a Piet thread bumped to the top of the topics list
> > instead of the annual list support threads (I already made my annual
> > contribution to Matronics, thank you Matt), I'm throwing out a general
> > question about throttle setups. I don't like the setup on my airplane
> and
> > am going to start from scratch. To describe what I have, it's a Bowden
> > cable running from the rear cockpit to the carb. In the front cockpit, a
> > wooden sewing thread bobbin with the edges rounded off has been slipped
> > over the center wire with bug nuts clamping each side of it to the center
> > wire to let the front cockpit occupant slide it back and forth to work
> the
> > throttle. The setup looks pretty cheesy, but since it's tucked in pretty
> > tight under the top edge of the cockpit, I've never had a passenger snag
> it
> > or bump it while getting in or out. Other than that, not much else good
> > about it.
> >
> > In the rear cockpit, a simple flat aluminum lever with the pivot point at
> > the bottom and a round knob up near the top coaming works the throttle.
> > It's pretty cheesy too, but what I like is that I can rest my left hand
> on
> > the coaming and use my fingertips to work the throttle. It's very stable
> > and easy to make small changes in engine power that way, especially on a
> > bumpy afternoon. Since the knob is up near the coaming rather than down
> > further, I can also reach in and work the throttle very easily from
> outside
> > the cockpit while prop-starting. It also has enough friction and drag in
> > the cables and lever where I can set throttle in cruise and rarely have
> it
> > back off or creep off of the RPM that I want.
> >
> > So what I'm looking for are pix or ideas on how you set up your
> > throttle(s). I've looked through some of the setups in Westcoastpiet.
> > I've already decided to link the front and rear throttles with a rod
> rather
> > than with the Bowden cable, but other than that, I'm open to ideas. The
> > builder routed the throttle cable inside the cockpit, not outside between
> > the plywood and fabric, so I can get to all of it if I choose to.
> Thanks.
> >
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> >
> > --------
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > Medford, OR
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493401#493401
> >
> >
>
> --
> Semih Oksay
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Bruce Kirk <brucekirk(at)ymail.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Performance
>
>
> Hi everyone I have a question about the performance of a pietenpol
> operating at
> airports at airports at an elevation of 3000 plus feet with an A65 engine.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle setup
> From: "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> Semih, was there a particular reason you ran your Bowden cable from the
> rear throttle
> lever instead of the front lever?
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
> RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493464#493464
>
>
--
Semih Oksay
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| From: | Timothy White <aa5flyer(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Ground Lead (P lead) for Eisemann Magnetos |
Trying to get my rebuilt C-85 running using the rebuilt Eisemann mags that came
with it. Was able to get the spark plug wires from ACS, but cant find any p leads
for them. Any ideas?
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| Subject: | Re: Ground Lead (P lead) for Eisemann Magnetos |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com> |
Can you just make them? Im not familiar with Eisemann mags but typical p-leads
are just a length of shielded wire with ring terminals attached to the wire and
the shield.
--------
Todd Stovall
aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493497#493497
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| From: | Timothy White <aa5flyer(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ground Lead (P lead) for Eisemann Magnetos |
They have a cap and lm guessing a rigid section that makes a solid contact inside
the mag like a Bendix. Ive tried the Bendix leads, but the cap wont fit.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 26, 2019, at 3:20 PM, tsts4 wrote:
>
>
> Can you just make them? Im not familiar with Eisemann mags but typical p-leads
are just a length of shielded wire with ring terminals attached to the wire
and the shield.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
> RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493497#493497
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ground Lead (P lead) for Eisemann Magnetos |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com> |
Gotcha. Do you know the diameter of the cap size you need?
--------
Todd Stovall
aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493500#493500
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| Subject: | Re: Ground Lead (P lead) for Eisemann Magnetos |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
>From an A&P who flies behind a C85 that used to have Eisemanns on it.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493502#493502
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/25/19 |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Semih; so are you just visiting in the states, or have you moved here now? Your
signature line says you're building in Istanbul but staying here in Orlando...
-Oscar
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493505#493505
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| From: | Semih Oksay <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/25/19 |
Hi Oscar
I am visting USA. I will be in Orlando till 4 January.
Cheers
Semih
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 22:10 taildrags wrote:
>
> Semih; so are you just visiting in the states, or have you moved here
> now? Your signature line says you're building in Istanbul but staying here
> in Orlando...
>
> -Oscar
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493505#493505
>
>
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 22:10 taildrags wrote:
>
> Semih; so are you just visiting in the states, or have you moved here
> now? Your signature line says you're building in Istanbul but staying here
> in Orlando...
>
> -Oscar
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493505#493505
>
>
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/25/19 |
Semh, are you coming near San Antonio, Texas?
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019, 1:07 PM Semih Oksay wrote:
> Hi Oscar
>
> I am visting USA. I will be in Orlando till 4 January.
>
> Cheers
> Semih
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 22:10 taildrags wrote:
>
>>
>> Semih; so are you just visiting in the states, or have you moved here
>> now? Your signature line says you're building in Istanbul but staying here
>> in Orlando...
>>
>> -Oscar
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493505#493505
>>
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> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 22:10 taildrags wrote:
>
>>
>> Semih; so are you just visiting in the states, or have you moved here
>> now? Your signature line says you're building in Istanbul but staying here
>> in Orlando...
>>
>> -Oscar
>>
>> --------
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Medford, OR
>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
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| Subject: | Re: throttle setup |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Oscar,
Like you, Im planning on a rod linking the front and rear throttle handles together,
with a Bowden cable to the carb.
Speaking of Bowden cables, I made a nice find that Id like to share with all.
I came across a Bernard MIG Liner, thru which MIG welding wire is fed by the
welder.
I picked up a 15 long liner locally for $10. Not bad considering that ACS is getting
over $2.00 per foot. This is a Bowden cable that accepts 1/16 SS wire,
rather than the .078 wire. Maybe the best part about it is that it is roughly
half the weight of the ACS cable.
This Bowden cable will accept either 1/16 (.062) or 1.5mm SS wire. After an exhaustive
search, I found 1.5mm SS half hard wire on eBay for roughly $6.75 for
5 meters.
Im planning to use this for throttle, mixture, and carb heat.
--------
Tom Kreiner
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493692#493692
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| Subject: | Re: throttle setup |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Tom; thanks. I'll look into that MIG liner. For the wire, my starting point is
always McMaster-Carr. A quick search on their site finds a 27 ft length of
.059" (about 1.5mm) "spring back" 304 stainless wire for $5.03, but they have
lots of others to choose from. I think for the throttle I'd go heavier than more
slender just to avoid the possibility of kinking the wire on a quick full
throttle advance.
-Oscar
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493695#493695
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| From: | Gerrit-Jan Kaal <gjhkaal(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: throttle setup |
Nice! Once you know, what you're looking for, things get simpler. Never
thought about searching for MIG Liner:
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/32719611456.html?spm=a2g0z.12010612.814835
6.23.7f4b4ac0uqMDw2
Ordered 2 sets of 4m (12ft) for =82=AC12,50 ...
On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 03:19, tkreiner wrote:
>
> Oscar,
>
> Like you, I=99m planning on a rod linking the front and rear thrott
le
> handles together, with a Bowden cable to the carb.
>
> Speaking of Bowden cables, I made a nice find that I=99d like to s
hare with
> all. I came across a Bernard MIG Liner, thru which MIG welding wire is f
ed
> by the welder.
>
> I picked up a 15=99 long liner locally for $10. Not bad considerin
g that
> ACS is getting over $2.00 per foot. This is a Bowden cable that accepts
> 1/16 SS wire, rather than the .078 wire. Maybe the best part about it is
> that it is roughly half the weight of the ACS cable.
>
> This Bowden cable will accept either 1/16 (.062) or 1.5mm SS wire. After
> an exhaustive search, I found 1.5mm SS half hard wire on eBay for roughly
> $6.75 for 5 meters.
>
> I=99m planning to use this for throttle, mixture, and carb heat.
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493692#493692
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Semih Oksay <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: throttle setup |
I have played with MIG for 25 years and never thought of using the liner as
throttle cable. The marine throttle cables for especially outboard motors
are the same dimension with the Piper throttle cables, almost any length.
More durable and reliable I think. Their ends are just the same as Piper
throttle cables.
my 2 cents
Semih Oksay, building in Istanbul, Turkey, now in Orlando,Fl
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 3:18 PM Gerrit-Jan Kaal wrote:
> Nice! Once you know, what you're looking for, things get simpler. Never
> thought about searching for MIG Liner:
>
>
> https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/32719611456.html?spm=a2g0z.12010612.8148
356.23.7f4b4ac0uqMDw2
>
> Ordered 2 sets of 4m (12ft) for =82=AC12,50 ...
>
>
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 03:19, tkreiner wrote:
>
>>
>> Oscar,
>>
>> Like you, I=99m planning on a rod linking the front and rear throt
tle
>> handles together, with a Bowden cable to the carb.
>>
>> Speaking of Bowden cables, I made a nice find that I=99d like to
share
>> with all. I came across a Bernard MIG Liner, thru which MIG welding wir
e
>> is fed by the welder.
>>
>> I picked up a 15=99 long liner locally for $10. Not bad consideri
ng that
>> ACS is getting over $2.00 per foot. This is a Bowden cable that accepts
>> 1/16 SS wire, rather than the .078 wire. Maybe the best part about it i
s
>> that it is roughly half the weight of the ACS cable.
>>
>> This Bowden cable will accept either 1/16 (.062) or 1.5mm SS wire. Afte
r
>> an exhaustive search, I found 1.5mm SS half hard wire on eBay for roughl
y
>> $6.75 for 5 meters.
>>
>> I=99m planning to use this for throttle, mixture, and carb heat.
>>
>> --------
>> Tom Kreiner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493692#493692
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | Timothy White <aa5flyer(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ground Lead (P lead) for Eisemann Magnetos |
Thanks for the info. Got the parts and made the up. BTW Fresno Air Parts was very
helpful.
Tim White
> On Nov 26, 2019, at 6:57 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
>
>> From an A&P who flies behind a C85 that used to have Eisemanns on it.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493502#493502
>
>
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/annotation_2019_11_26_155627_117.png
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: throttle setup |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Todd,
I know that you wrote this a while back, but since nobody has answered your question,
I thought that I would chime in.
If (God forbid) your throttle cable came loose from the throttle handle in the
rear, what would you be able to do to control the throttle? Not easily, but I
think that you stand a chance of being able to move the throttle cable enough
while loose to make an emergency landing.
If it disconnects from the throttle in the front seat, what you can you do about
it from the rear? Not a blessed thing.
At least that is my reasoning for attaching the cable directly to the rear throttle.
YMMV.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493788#493788
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| Subject: | Re: throttle setup |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Well now Terry, that makes a heck of a lot of sense! It also makes it possible
to disconnect (or remove) the throttle from the front cockpit along with the
stick, if they are constructed to be removed, without disturbing the pilot's operation
of the throttle. This is sometimes useful when you are giving rides
and don't want anyone working the controls who shouldn't be, and also removes
some obstacles that passengers sometimes have to work around while climbing in
and out.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493798#493798
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| Subject: | Re: throttle setup |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com> |
Well I'm not sold on that configuration but that's the beauty of E-AB. I much
prefer the setup that most tandem seat aircraft use which is a rod linkage between
the throttle levers and a cable from the front lever to the carb. The attached
pic is of a J3 Cub. Using proper construction procedures I feel the risk
of a disconnect as you describe is minimal. Plus trying to manipulate a broken
cable as suggested and fly the plane is going to be difficult at best. I'd
rather fly to a suitable airport/field, set up for an approach and kill the
engine by shutting the fuel off once the landing is assured. YMMV....
--------
Todd Stovall
aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493800#493800
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| Subject: | Re: throttle setup |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Todd,
Your plan to kill the engine and deadstick it in is a good one - provided the cable
did not come loose when you were at idle or a reduced power setting. Then
your likelihood of getting to anywhere but what is directly below you is greatly
diminished if you can't reach the throttle cable. I did not say that my plan
was optimal, but it does give you a chance to do what you said, adjust the
cable to full forward throttle, fly to a field, cutoff the engine and deadstick
it in.
But as you said, it is experimental aviation, and you can build your airplane any
way that you see fit. I am just encouraging you from a risk management standpoint
to rethink where you will connect your throttle cable.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
progress has still been slow with work and the flue hitting hard lately
more work on the tail feathers installing the hinges and control horns. Also always
lots of varnishing
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Exhaust manifold paint |
Guys,
Does anyone have a success story about painting exhaust pipes/manifolds? I would
appreciate any advice on brand, application tips, etc.
Thanks,
John F.
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust manifold paint |
| From: | "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com> |
Not sure what engine you are using, but here is a link to the FlyCorvair website
where William Wynne discusses exhausts. Might give you some general info that
will help you as you decide about your exhaust system.
https://flycorvair.net/2012/01/09/stainless-steel-exhaust-systems/
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| From: | John Woods <jawesma(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust manifold paint |
If you're referring to a std Corvair cast iron exhaust manifold, then I
wouldn't waste time painting it.
I'm looking at using a product called Calyx manifold dressing.
It's graphite based and you rub it onto the cast iron manifold. It protects
the manifold from rusting and gives it a natural look.
On Sun., 22 Dec. 2019, 08:27 jarheadpilot82,
wrote:
> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Not sure what engine you are using, but here is a link to the FlyCorvair
> website where William Wynne discusses exhausts. Might give you some general
> info that will help you as you decide about your exhaust system.
>
> https://flycorvair.net/2012/01/09/stainless-steel-exhaust-systems/
>
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> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust manifold paint |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I'll relate my experience with exhaust stacks on my Cont A65 and A75. The stacks
on my A65 were standard Aeronca Champ type mild steel stacks with the aluminized
heat muff. They began to show rust spots and pinholes so I sandblasted
them and painted them with flat white rattle can VHT exhaust system paint. I
had access to a controlled temperature industrial oven so I was able to cure them
at the specified temperature for the specified duration. I ran them for another
year or two and again started to see rust through the paint so I pulled
them and had a talented fabricator use them as the patterns for a stainless steel
set. This fellow fabricated custom stainless exhausts for all sorts of engines
that were run in engine test cells, everything from big diesels to single-cylinder
snowmobile and motorcycle engines. Before I could run the new stacks
I swapped out my engine for an A75 and put the new SS stacks on it instead.
I had already purchased some Turbo-X from Techline Coatings to spiff them up,
but I never bothered... the Turbo-X is still on my shelf and my stacks still
look like they did after I got them and ran them up to temperature on a couple
of flights. I kind of like the color they've taken on and they sure don't
show any sign of corroding.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
got another coat of varnish on the tail feathers
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| Subject: | Re: 1932 FGM on Ebay |
| From: | "Heavy Iron" <ron.horton1000(at)gmail.com> |
Here's another original 1932 Flying and Glider Manual with bidding starting at
$10.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Modern-Mechanics-Flying-and-Glider-Manual-1932/164017074938?hash=item26302df2fa:g:YvYAAOSwTvNeD6Fa
Hoping everyone here has a fantastic 2020!
Cheers,
Ron
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| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
A pilot at our airport also restored Corvairs. He told me yesterday that
he has "a dozen" engines that he advertised for free on Craigslist but
got no response. He says he is going to scrap them so I told him that I
would post here to see if anyone wants to pick them up here in Sonoma
(CA). Let me know if you're interested and I'll give him your contact
info. I don't have any details about the engines myself.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
I attached the rudder cables to the rudder peddles. then fitted the front plywood
and stringers. now i can adjust the front gas tank and start gluing.
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| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com> |
So I start an evening, part-time basic welding course at my local tech college
next week. The curriculum is Stick, Flux core and MIG. My question for the experts
is, is it possible for me to teach myself TIG, assuming I become competent
at the other processes at the end of the course? I've watched a lot of
YouTube on TIG and scoured the welding forums but have not been able to draw a
conclusion one way or the other.
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Todd Stovall
aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
I haven't done a lot of TIG welding, but the process is more similar to
Oxy/Acetylene gas welding than any of the offerings in your course. If
you can make it to Sun-N-Fun or Oshkosh the major manufacturers of TIG
equipment could probably get you started. I taught myself how to gas
weld using the Finch text and my landing gear and motor mount have
lasted for 10 years :) Gas equipment is a bit cheaper so you might
want to consider that route too.
Ben Charvet
On 1/21/2020 10:54 AM, tsts4 wrote:
>
> So I start an evening, part-time basic welding course at my local tech college
next week. The curriculum is Stick, Flux core and MIG. My question for the
experts is, is it possible for me to teach myself TIG, assuming I become competent
at the other processes at the end of the course? I've watched a lot of
YouTube on TIG and scoured the welding forums but have not been able to draw
a conclusion one way or the other.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
> RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
>
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bencharvet(at)gmail.com wrote:
> I haven't done a lot of TIG welding, but the process is more similar to
> Oxy/Acetylene gas welding than any of the offerings in your course. If
> you can make it to Sun-N-Fun or Oshkosh the major manufacturers of TIG
> equipment could probably get you started. I taught myself how to gas
> weld using the Finch text and my landing gear and motor mount have
> lasted for 10 years :) Gas equipment is a bit cheaper so you might
> want to consider that route too.
> Ben Charvet
>
>
Good suggestion on the airshow TIG courses. We'll be at both SNF (we only live
35 min from Lakeland) and Osh. The workshop schedule for SNF shows 2 TIG workshops
daily and my basic welding course finishes up the week prior to SNF so
the timing is perfect.
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Todd Stovall
aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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| From: | Robert Wiebe <ramjetwiebe(at)yahoo.com> |
MIG is great for aluminum fab work. Remember that your shield gas varies fo
r what alloy / material you intend to weld and you'll be wanting to learn a
ll about AC vs DC and polarity. (Don't paint yourself into a corner by limi
ting your rig to a DC only inverter.) I think most repair shops will do mor
e MIGing than TIGing. Outside work will be stick welded.
TIG is fantastic for chromoly (41xx) work and you'll see most fab shops go
this route. Gas welding is far easier to master IMHO - not that TIG welding
cannot be mastered by the non professional. The equipment and maint. costs
will be higher for TIG and some claim the cost per welded inch is lower. T
he upside to TIG for fabrication work is that once your shop is set up, etc
. you can weld more feet per hour hence it's ideal for commercial fabricati
on and manufacturing where your highest op costs are labour.
Where with Oxy Acetylene your shield is the actual flame, in TIG and MIG it
's the inert gas - which is very easily disturbed. I've seen a lot of small
fab outfits running shop fans and complaining about weld quality. You'll b
e wanting VERY STILL air. Indoors only, please.=C2-
Because of the various material sizes, thicknesses and various joint types,
you'll be on that heat pedal like a rock guitarist. You need three limbs t
o TIG weld properly. (One for the electrode, one for the feed material (NOT
a coat hanger) and one for the pedal. If you think you can put two parts t
ogether without jigs and clamps look to other materials.)
In summary, while MIG is useful, fairly easy to learn and a lot of fun, it'
s not really suitable to tube welding and I don't like it for chromoly. TIG
is fantastic once mastered but the barriers to entry are higher than for g
as welding. Done properly, both gas and TIG are identical in quality and st
rength. Any welding with electricity seems to want a good solid steel weldi
ng table. (We're talking light work here - not rail lines or locomotives.)
For my projects to date, I've tack welded my work with Oxy/Acet and then ta
ken it to a professional shop or had a mobile welder come to finish weld. T
he fab work is the most labour intensive and I am not the kind of person wh
o loves to smoke steel anyway so I think in the scheme of things, this did
not turn out to be any costlier but took far less of my time and left me wi
th a higher confidence in the finished work, esp engine mounts and wing att
achment hardware. Certainly it has kept my equipment costs down. Some of my
projects are still finished by pros who prefer gas - and it's not a genera
tional thing either. If you plan to galvanize, finish plate, anodize, etc y
our parts the shop may be able to provide all this for a lower cost. Take a
ll your parts in at the same time and don't be in a hurry to get them back.
Most shops charge more for need it right now repairs. (I cold galvanize mo
st of my itty bits.)
As to equipment, there is a lot of junk being sold and it's not all from th
e Far East. Even the big brands have gotten into this game so the name pain
ted on the side of the box can be meaningless. It is far far far cheaper to
set up a good gas outfit than it is to get a decent quality TIG or MIG rig
. Remember that your gas supplier will determine your hose connections, etc
. Gas and bottle rental rates are consistant so talk to everybody and see w
ho is perhaps the=C2- friendlist. Tell them you're building an airplane a
nd they might be able to turn you on to some gear appropriate to your task
and steer you away from the bad stuff.
I've paid shop fees to shear parts, punch holes, bandsaw, etc. on their equ
ipment. One shop charges me a low flat fee which has been waved because I l
eave it cleaner than I found it.
Now the secret:
We've sold a LOT of equipment to "new to world of welding" folks for a lot
of money and then gone back and sold them a lot more after they learn to we
ld. Hold off on the gear choice (I still don't like the autodark lenses, ha
ha) until you've taken a course or paid an old timer a few bucks to teach y
ou with his stuff. On the second or third day of learning, take in some of
your light and heavy work and seek a demonstration of how to do it properly
. Get opinions from as many people smoking metal for a living who are NOT o
n the internet. Visit some of the "we only sell welding supplies" supply ou
tfits nearby. Every salesperson I ever met was somebody with 10s of thousan
ds of hours experience and on a slow day they'll be happy to increase your
brain power. So then when it is time to outfit your own shop not only will
you know exactly what YOU want, you'll probably have found some slightly us
ed or amazing quality older rig for as near as being free to make no heavy
never mind. I've seen mobile welding rigs complete with thousands of dollar
s in tools, gear and supplies go for less than the cost of just the truck.
And you'll see all kinds of tools and gear you never knew existed that can
make your project come together like a song.
I have one friend who learned to weld by watching youtube videos and paid n
early nothing to outfit her shop. Such confidence!=C2-
wrote:
I haven't done a lot of TIG welding, but the process is more similar to
Oxy/Acetylene gas welding than any of the offerings in your course.=C2- I
f
you can make it to Sun-N-Fun or Oshkosh the major manufacturers of TIG
equipment could probably get you started.=C2- I taught myself how to gas
weld using the Finch text and my landing gear and motor mount have
lasted for 10 years :)=C2-=C2- Gas equipment is a bit cheaper so you mi
ght
want to consider that route too.
Ben Charvet
On 1/21/2020 10:54 AM, tsts4 wrote:
>
> So I start an evening, part-time basic welding course at my local tech co
llege next week. The curriculum is Stick, Flux core and MIG. My question
for the experts is, is it possible for me to teach myself TIG, assuming I
become competent at the other processes at the end of the course? I've wat
ched a lot of YouTube on TIG and scoured the welding forums but have not b
een able to draw a conclusion one way or the other.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
> RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=494372#494372
>
>
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
While you are at SNF, they have gas welding workshops too. Stop by the
Woodworking tent, I'll be there all week.
Ben
>
> Good suggestion on the airshow TIG courses. We'll be at both SNF (we only live
35 min from Lakeland) and Osh. The workshop schedule for SNF shows 2 TIG workshops
daily and my basic welding course finishes up the week prior to SNF so
the timing is perfect.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
> RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=494376#494376
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Log time listener first time caller |
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| Subject: | Pietenpol project and parts |
| From: | "mfairfield" <mike(at)alpha1fire.ca> |
Pietenpol parts for sale!
Full set of plasticized plans
I have a Continental 0-200 (non certified) for sale with engine mount, carb,
starter,
alternator, mags and complete exhaust system.
I also have 22 complete ribs with all parts to complete another 12 ribs.
All parts
ready to assemble with supplied jig. The ribs really came out great and
identical.
T-88 Epoxy 1 quart of A and 1 quart of B
All wood is Aircraft Spruce stock
Wing spars
2 of 5 3/4" x 3/4" x 17'
2 of 4 3/4" x 3/4" x 16' 6"
Also,
Wing spars
2 of 5 1/4" x 7/8" x 14'
2 of 4" x 7/8" x 16' 6"
Spruce stock
4 of 1" x 1" x15'
2 of 1" x 1" x 66"
4 of 2 1/2" x 1/2" x 7'
4 of 3/4" x 3/4" x 60"
2 of 1" x 1/2" x 7'
45 other pieces for fuselage (up to 50" long) Not for a 50" fuselage, but
I'm sure
you get the picture.
8 of round stainless steel flying wire stock 3/16" x 187"
Instruments, used.
3 1/8" turn and bank vacuum
3500 RPM tach for Continental
3 1/8" directional gyro
3 1/8" 0-260 knot airspeed (not really for a Piet)
3 1/8" old Cessna HSI
3 1/8" Altimeter 10,000 ft. 2 needle with barometer adjustment
Suction gauge
Lots of AN hardware, pulleys, bolts, nuts, turnbuckles etc.
This could be your lucky day!
Feel free to contact Mike at 819-576-5678.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
been pretty busy with work so haven't has a lot of time to slip off to the shop.
but did get a little time today and got the nose sealed up and some final touches
done to the aft turtle deck.
I also realized that I have been working on this project for 3 years now
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
What is the firewall material that will go over the plywood? Stainless?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
the plans leave it as plywood, but many have put a thin sheet of stainless over
it which it what i intend to do
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
i did a little more work on my front turtle deck over lunch today
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957(at)gmail.com> |
Looks good overall, your work always looks great, but that top stringer could go
right through your forehead in a crash, and all of them are heavier than they
need to be, I think. Might want to re-evaluate that.
> On Feb 27, 2020, at 8:09 PM, cdlwingnut wrote:
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> i did a little more work on my front turtle deck over lunch today
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| Subject: | Test; List Server Issues Resolved... |
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| From: | Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Test; List Server Issues Resolved... |
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| Subject: | ISPM No. 15 international process wood |
| From: | "wtourn" <wtourn(at)hotmail.com> |
good afternoon group
I am starting with my project pietenpol air camper, I am from Argentina and I have
a possibility to get hemlock wood from the USA but the only way that I get
on a pallet and have the HT international thermal process, I understand that
the steam or something like that, I would like to know if that process will not
affect me in the quality of the wood ... thank you very much for your answers
WALTER .RECONQUISTA SANTA FE ARGENTINA
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| Subject: | Re: ISPM No. 15 international process wood |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Walter; the steam treatment of the wood should not hurt it. Wood is often steamed
or soaked in hot water in order to make it more pliable for bending, such
as making wing ribs, wingtip bows, and other curved laminations. However, it
seems that you should have very good sources of wood in Santa Fe. Central North
Woods, Maderas Batalla, El Paye' Maderas, there seem to be many. Have you
not been able to find any suitable materials in Argentina?
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, Oregon
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: ISPM No. 15 international process wood |
| From: | "wtourn" <wtourn(at)hotmail.com> |
Oscar... thanks for your answer regarding the woods we have in Argentina the famous
"parana pine" that derives from the south of Brazil, it is a wood as good
as hemlock or fir, and also, we have the importers of hemlock and other woods
that they are used for saunas baths but they come with the ht process, which
is what I wanted to know if that process does not damage the wood, thanks again
Walter
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
It sits on its landing gear for the first time ever. well the main wheels anyway,
still have some work to do to get the tail wheel on it.
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
Chad, it is looking great. Congratulations on this big step forward.
Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:47 PM cdlwingnut wrote:
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> It sits on its landing gear for the first time ever. well the main wheels
> anyway, still have some work to do to get the tail wheel on it.
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| From: | "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
taildrags wrote:
> Not building one, but I do have a set of plans! Very nice airplane, but when
I studied the plans it seemed like just as much work to build one as to build
a full-size Air Camper.
Agree, why not build the real thing? Small difference in the cost of building materials,
but the big thing is builder support from forums like this and the Brodhead
weekend, especially if you are a first time builder. (And you end up with
a 2 seater).
Rick H
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
The fuselage is varnished and it is officially sitting on its landing gear.
As far as why the little piet and not a full piet I answered that a while back
but mainly because i found a supply of 3/4" thick douglas fir and had an engine
already for it.
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| From: | Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
Why are you trying to justify your decision? The best reason ever is cuz thats
what I want to build. That was my first build. My main reason was quite similar
to yours plus back then, Roger Mann had a mod available for folding wings without
having to disconnect control cables. Only the cross over cable was unhooked(quick
disconnect) if I remember right. Quite a bit of airplane for a Nevada(20#heavy)
ultra lite
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| From: | JIM & ARLENE BOYER <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
Its looking good; keep up the posts of your progress. Cheers, Jim
> On March 11, 2020 at 1:53 PM cdlwingnut wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Southwestern Ohio Regional Fly In |
| From: | "Beauvais" <BeauvaisGinnynw429(at)gmail.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
working on cutting and installing the aileron hinges.
I also clamped the tail feathers to the fuselage to see what they looked like and
to get them out of the way
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Spin characteristics of the Pietenpol? |
| From: | "EricWalker" <gapadivi(at)appmail24.com> |
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| From: | Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Stall Spin characteristics of the Pietenpol? |
Your post seems to have been hacked. Too bad would b a great topic. Try again?
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| From: | JIM & ARLENE BOYER <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
Hi Lee; just a comment; your wood work looks really good, but to save you some
time in covering you might want to round off the corners of the tail surfaces.
Those sharp corners are tough to cover and make nice looking. I had the only
bad time covering my Piet with corners that looked just like yours. Sincerely,
Jim
> On March 18, 2020 at 1:51 PM cdlwingnut wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Spin characteristics of the Pietenpol? |
| From: | "at7000ft" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
[quote="aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com"]Rob, I have been flying my father's Piet NX92GB
quite a bit in the last few weeks, which has a corvair engine. I have done
both power on and off stalls. If rigged properly, I think you would have to
really try to get in to a spin. Even with the nose up in about a 40 degree angle
and a full stall it doesn't seem to fall off into a spin. I would be a little
scared to intentionally spin a piet. I think it would recover fine but could
exceed vne if your not carefull. Keep your CG where it is called for in
the plans, Keep it cordinated when flying, and as far as a stall lower the nose
and your flying again. Unless you were tail heavy I think the tail "stalls"
(quits holding the nose up) well before the wing stalls. We also put about
1-1.5 inches of washout in our wing, so the tip stalls last, and it will help
keep the stall gental.
Shad
that gives answers, not web links.
> [b]
My Corvair/Piet stalls exactly the same, does not fall off left or right, just
mushes. Much easier to spin a C-150 than my Piet.
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Spin characteristics of the Pietenpol? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
My experience in 41CC with stalls of all different flavors is much the same as
you others have experienced. If I have a full fuel tank (mine is a header tank,
not up in the wing), it's difficult to get the nose up in a power-off stall
and keep it there enough for it to break. The plane just mushes and bobs. I
don't want to try snapping it up so I don't know if I could whip it into a break.
Power-on, the nose gets ridiculously high and it mushes. Using my feet
to pick up a wing that starts to want to dip, I can hold it there all day, or
until the ground comes up to meet me.
My instructor who checked me out in the Piet has extensive experience flying aerobatics
and was a professional duster pilot in his earlier years. He told me
that he wouldn't feel comfortable spinning the airplane because he didn't think
there was as much rudder authority as he'd like. He didn't say it was dangerous
or it wouldn't spin, he just recommended against me trying it and that was
all I needed to know.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
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Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Spin characteristics of the Pietenpol? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Oops... sorry Rob, I just went back to read your original post and you were asking
about Corvair Piets. Mine has a Continental up front. As you were...
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Medford, OR
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| From: | "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> |
I started building my rib jig. It appears that the opening in the rib for the rear
spar is less than 4-3/4". How did you guys fit the rib to the spar when constructing
the wing?
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| Subject: | Horizontal Stabilizer Dimensions |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
(Also posted at the BPA board)
Are the dimensions shown on page 2 correct (for leading edge, main beam, etc)?
The stringers are 3/16" which means they fit in the main beam, but they will be
too thick on the leading edge. Sand the stringers there? There's also trouble
getting corner gussets to sit on the ledges unless I sand the center beam in
those areas.
Thank you,
John C
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Horizontal Stabilizer Dimensions |
Hi John,
It's been quite a while since I built the tail (20yrs) but I think I
didn't make the nose smaller as per plans. It's just rounded it
same as my Chief.
Sanding that small amount off the rib ends won't compromise
any strength. In those days of yore it was just assumed that
the builder would just do that.
Also.I've just had a look at my rib jig and the spar opening is
4 3/4" at the rear face ( 1 in thick spar). Again, a long time
since making those ribs. I may have just fudged the profile
a wee bit to accomodate the whole spar.
http://www.clifdawson.ca/
The upload function for my web builder quit and I gave up on
any help from the program folks so the last pics where some
five years ago. Here's a couple of pics in the here and now.
Clif
>
> Are the dimensions shown on page 2 correct (for leading edge, main beam,
> etc)?
>
> The stringers are 3/16" which means they fit in the main beam, but they
> will be too thick on the leading edge. Sand the stringers there? There's
> also trouble getting corner gussets to sit on the ledges unless I sand the
> center beam in those areas.
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> Thank you,
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> John C
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| Subject: | Re: Horizontal Stabilizer Dimensions |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Thanks Clif!
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| Subject: | Re: Rib to Spar fit |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Are you using the printed paper? It may have changed shape.
I plotted the rib out using the dimensions on page 5. I ran into that rear spar
issue and you can see what I did here (go to the 11th and 12th row of photos):
https://imageevent.com/hatz/piet/ribs
Bottom line, I put a 4 3/4" block in there (for spar) on the jig and the top back
right corner hits the upper capstrip....there's a small gap at the forward
corner. The spar must be 4 3/4"....you don't sand the back part smaller to fit.
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| Subject: | Re: Rib to Spar fit |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
PoconoJohn2 wrote:
> Are you using the printed paper? It may have changed shape.
>
> I plotted the rib out using the dimensions on page 5. I ran into that rear spar
issue and you can see what I did here (go to the 11th and 12th row of photos):
https://imageevent.com/hatz/piet/ribs
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> Bottom line, I put a 4 3/4" block in there (for spar) on the jig and the top
back right corner hits the upper capstrip....there's a small gap at the forward
corner. The spar must be 4 3/4" (per Andrew Pietenpol)....you don't sand the
back part smaller to fit.
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| Subject: | AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
I plan to use AN42B eye bolts for elevator/rudder hinges. It seems I'll need a
grip of 1 1/8". For washers and nuts, I plan to use AN960-10 and AN365-1032A.
Will that work?
Thanks!
John C
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
John,
On any rotating connection I believe you should use a drilled bolt and a castle
nut with a cotter pin.
Regards,
John F.
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>From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 1, 2020 9:02 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
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>I plan to use AN42B eye bolts for elevator/rudder hinges. It seems I'll need a
grip of 1 1/8". For washers and nuts, I plan to use AN960-10 and AN365-1032A.
Will that work?
>
>Thanks!
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>John C
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| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
John F., I agree with you that any rotating connection should definitely use the
drilled bolt with castle nut and cotter pin, but in this location on the airframe,this
eye bolt should *never* be rotating. In fact, if it does rotate, it
could put the hinged control surface in a bind. No-?
-Oscar Z.
Medford, OR
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Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
Oscar,
But one of the two eyebolts will be rotating about the AN3 bolt, right? However
I'm not an expert on AC43-13. Another confusing subject for me is when to use
the dimpled AN bolts that are designated for shear situations.
John F.
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>From: taildrags <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 1, 2020 10:45 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
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>John F., I agree with you that any rotating connection should definitely use the
drilled bolt with castle nut and cotter pin, but in this location on the airframe,this
eye bolt should *never* be rotating. In fact, if it does rotate,
it could put the hinged control surface in a bind. No-?
>
>-Oscar Z.
>Medford, OR
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>Medford, OR
>Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib to Spar fit |
No, I plotted it. You can't trust paper that size. With various
levels of humidity the length changes significantly. There is,
or was then, an anomaly. One of the top plot numbers is off.
Everybody just smoothed it out. After all this is a KS
airfoil. :-) (kitchen sink)
Is your spar the 1" width or the 3/4"?
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Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 7:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib to Spar fit
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> Are you using the printed paper? It may have changed shape.
>
> I plotted the rib out using the dimensions on page 5. I ran into that rear
> spar issue and you can see what I did here (go to the 11th and 12th row of
> photos): https://imageevent.com/hatz/piet/ribs
>
> Bottom line, I put a 4 3/4" block in there (for spar) on the jig and the
> top back right corner hits the upper capstrip....there's a small gap at
> the forward corner. The spar must be 4 3/4"....you don't sand the back
> part smaller to fit.
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
It appears you're both right. Your just looking at two different aspects.
The first question I see as referring to the eyebolts themselves, mounting
them in the tailparts. No rotation there. The second is the hinge pin which
is in a rotational situation. There you need castle and cotter. Or, as I
have
done, albeit with the traditional welded hinges, use a clevis pin. Saves a
little weight in the tail which is heavy already. The issue I see with the
eyebolts is that the forces are not centered on the hinge pin which will
cause extra wear on the pin or bolt. There will be a bending force on all
the parts. Also the stab and elevator will be further apart, larger gap,
than the per plans hinges. Yes, I know, more finiky work but you only
do it once. I look back on it with satisfaction in the experience.
Clif
How difficult it is to be simple. (Vincent van Gogh)
> Oscar,
>
> But one of the two eyebolts will be rotating about the AN3 bolt, right?
> However I'm not an expert on AC43-13. Another confusing subject for me is
> when to use the dimpled AN bolts that are designated for shear situations.
>
> John F.
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| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
John C
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| From: | Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the eyebolts
never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
and the stabilizer.
Kip Gardner
> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 wrote:
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> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
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| Subject: | Re: Rib to Spar fit |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
1"
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
John,
I'm not sure why you need two eyebolts on one side, is that what the plans call
for? On mine I counterbored the wood so the eyebolts sits flush and also narrows
the gap a bit. And yes I agree that nylon locknuts are appropriate on the
eyebolts with clevis/cotter pins for the rotating hinge.
Those clevis pins are also used to attach turnbuckle forks to the control horns,
so buy plenty of various lengths. They're fairly cheap (for aircraft hardware!).
Regards,
John F.
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>Sent: Apr 2, 2020 9:28 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
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>It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>
>John C
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| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Hi Kip,
The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
Hi John F,
This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded but
a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist any
twisting force.
John C
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
John C.,
One advantage to using the three-eyebolt hinge is that you've got some play on
the alignment. I only used one-to-one eyebolts and it's tough to get them all
in alignment.
Best of luck on your project...
Regards,
John F.
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>From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 2, 2020 10:13 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
>Hi Kip,
>
>The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
>
>Hi John F,
>
>This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded
but a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist
any twisting force.
>
>John C
>
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| From: | Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing rapidly with
all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison of eyebolts vs.welded
hinges? Glen
> On Apr 2, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Kip Gardner wrote:
>
>
> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the
eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
and the stabilizer.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 wrote:
>>
>>
>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer
can't be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
that.
Clif
I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
>
> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>
>>
>>
>>
>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
that.
Clif
I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
>
> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>
>>
>>
>>
>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
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| Subject: | Re: Rib to Spar fit |
| From: | "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks for the input guys. While waiting for replies, I did a little more checking.
I found my cap strip locator block at the bottom of the spar was located
too high. Also, the cap strips are over 1/4" thick. Even accounting for those
issues I will have to lower the locator block slightly more to get 4-3/4" at the
rear of my 1" spar.
It also makes sense to bring the bottom of the rear spar down slightly so the 2
spars are on the same plane since I am building a 3 piece wing.
--------
Harv, 485PB
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Flight characteristics |
I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like. I
have only been up on a Piet once, years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for
infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like
except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming sensation.
What is a good comparison?
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
Baby Ace?
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:56 AM Steven Dortch
wrote:
> I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like. I
> have only been up on a Piet once, years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for
> infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like
> except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming sensation.
>
> What is a good comparison?
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
I am trying to tell a pilot who has flown C150s. I think it flies like a
cub, only draggier.
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marcus Zechini
wrote:
> Baby Ace?
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:56 AM Steven Dortch
> wrote:
>
>> I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like. I
>> have only been up on a Piet once, years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for
>> infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like
>> except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming sensation.
>>
>> What is a good comparison?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
Hi have a Piet with an A-65 and a J-3 with the same engine. My
Pietenpol has a 40 inch pitch prop, which would be the climb prop for
the Cub. My Cub as the standard 42 inch pitch prop. The Piet gets off
the ground a lot faster than the Cub, and still flies about 2 mph faster
(not much difference). Stall characteristics are similar, as are
landing speeds. Flying the cub with the door open is very similar to
the Piet, except you can't see as much on the left side. Gross weights
are very similar, I grossed my Piet at 1200 pounds and it hauls that
weight well.
Ben Charvet
PietNX866BC, 435 hrs in 10 years
Titusville, Florida
On 4/3/2020 9:52 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:
> I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it
> like.I have only been up on a Piet once,years ago (Curse you Oscar Z
> for infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub
> like except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealmingsensation.
>
> What is a good comparison?
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
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| From: | Marcus Zechini <marcus.zechini(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
I'm not the best source. I had a Grega with clipped Cub wings. So, an open
cockpit Cub that dropped like a rock when power pulled back. I noticed that
in Baby Ace. I had some J-4 time prior to the Baby Ace. Floated like a
kite, I thought.
I wnat to fly A Real Piet, preferably a Model A powered one!
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 10:18 AM Steven Dortch
wrote:
> I am trying to tell a pilot who has flown C150s. I think it flies like a
> cub, only draggier.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marcus Zechini
> wrote:
>
>> Baby Ace?
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:56 AM Steven Dortch
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like. I
>>> have only been up on a Piet once, years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for
>>> infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like
>>> except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming sensation.
>>>
>>> What is a good comparison?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Blue Skies,
>>> Steve D
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
Awesome, thanks!
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:24 AM Ben Charvet wrote:
> Hi have a Piet with an A-65 and a J-3 with the same engine. My Pietenpol
> has a 40 inch pitch prop, which would be the climb prop for the Cub. My
> Cub as the standard 42 inch pitch prop. The Piet gets off the ground a lot
> faster than the Cub, and still flies about 2 mph faster (not much
> difference). Stall characteristics are similar, as are landing speeds.
> Flying the cub with the door open is very similar to the Piet, except you
> can't see as much on the left side. Gross weights are very similar, I
> grossed my Piet at 1200 pounds and it hauls that weight well.
> Ben Charvet
> PietNX866BC, 435 hrs in 10 years
> Titusville, Florida
>
> On 4/3/2020 9:52 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:
>
> I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like. I
> have only been up on a Piet once, years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for
> infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like
> except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming sensation.
>
> What is a good comparison?
>
>
> --
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Rib to Spar fit |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Good luck!
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| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
I agree that the weight difference should be negligible. As far as the space, I'm
going to use a Forstner bit and go in 1/8" on both sides, reducing the gap
by 1/4". Additionally, I can then purchase eye bolts with a grip of 1" instead
of 1 1/8" which comes out to almost $3 per bolt (times 27...for $81 savings).
As a reminder, the bolts have to pass through the 1" beam plus a 1/8" ply that's
added in bolt locations.
Here's a photo of some cast aluminum pieces. With bolts, I think there's slightly
less material but the aluminum is probably lighter than the eye bolts, so maybe
a wash.
John C
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| From: | woodflier <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
Steven, I think the Cub comparison is pretty close, except when it comes to
glide. The Cub is a floater, the Piet is a bit of a brick. I've rarely bee
n able to get a good full 3-point landing in the Piet because the sink rate
really goes up as the nose goes up. Wheelies and tail-low wheel landings w
ork fine.=C2-
Matt Paxton
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 3, 2020 10:16 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight characteristics
I am trying to tell a pilot who has flown C150s. I think it flies like a cu
b, only draggier.=C2-
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marcus Zechini wr
ote:
Baby Ace?
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:56 AM Steven Dortch wr
ote:
I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like.=C2-
I have only been up on a Piet once,=C2-years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for i
nfecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like excep
t the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming=C2-sensation.=C2-
What is a good comparison?
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Flight characteristics |
Matt, I found to consistently get good 3 point landings I can add a
little power (maybe 1200 RPM on a Continental A65) which adds just
enough float to let it settle in nicely on all 3 wheels.
Jack Phillips
Pietenpol Air Camper, NX899JP
RV-10, N142KW
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
woodflier
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight characteristics
Steven, I think the Cub comparison is pretty close, except when it comes
to glide. The Cub is a floater, the Piet is a bit of a brick. I've
rarely been able to get a good full 3-point landing in the Piet because
the sink rate really goes up as the nose goes up. Wheelies and tail-low
wheel landings work fine.
Matt Paxton
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com
>
>
Sent: Fri, Apr 3, 2020 10:16 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flight characteristics
I am trying to tell a pilot who has flown C150s. I think it flies like a
cub, only draggier.
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:07 AM Marcus Zechini > wrote:
Baby Ace?
On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:56 AM Steven Dortch > wrote:
I have been asked to describe how the Piet flies. IE what is it like. I
have only been up on a Piet once, years ago (Curse you Oscar Z for
infecting me with the Piet virus). It struck me as being very Cub like
except the open cockpit was a totally overwhealming sensation.
What is a good comparison?
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
--
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Oscar, aren't you still selling the aluminum hinges?
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | Bruce Kirk <brucekirk(at)ymail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/02/20 |
Hello all pietenpol builders, it seems an easy way to solve the discussion about
the hinges would be to machine hinges out of solid bar stock. If someone would
either send or post an accurate drawing or even send a sample of one of the
cast hinges I would be happy to program our CNC mill to crank out a bunch. If
you send one I will gladly return it ASAP.
Bruce Kirk brucekirk(at)ymail.com
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> 1. 12:25 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
> 2. 07:29 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (PoconoJohn2)
> 3. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Kip Gardner)
> 4. 07:41 AM - Re: Rib to Spar fit (PoconoJohn2)
> 5. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (John Franklin)
> 6. 08:14 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (PoconoJohn2)
> 7. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (John Franklin)
> 8. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Glen Schweizer)
> 9. 09:00 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
> 10. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
> It appears you're both right. Your just looking at two different aspects.
> The first question I see as referring to the eyebolts themselves, mounting
> them in the tailparts. No rotation there. The second is the hinge pin which
> is in a rotational situation. There you need castle and cotter. Or, as I
> have
> done, albeit with the traditional welded hinges, use a clevis pin. Saves a
> little weight in the tail which is heavy already. The issue I see with the
> eyebolts is that the forces are not centered on the hinge pin which will
> cause extra wear on the pin or bolt. There will be a bending force on all
> the parts. Also the stab and elevator will be further apart, larger gap,
> than the per plans hinges. Yes, I know, more finiky work but you only
> do it once. I look back on it with satisfaction in the experience.
>
> Clif
> How difficult it is to be simple. (Vincent van Gogh)
>
>> Oscar,
>>
>> But one of the two eyebolts will be rotating about the AN3 bolt, right?
>> However I'm not an expert on AC43-13. Another confusing subject for me is
>> when to use the dimpled AN bolts that are designated for shear situations.
>>
>> John F.
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>
>
> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>
> John C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>
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> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the
eyebolts
> never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
> and the stabilizer.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 wrote:
>>
>>
>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
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>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib to Spar fit
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>
>
> 1"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> John,
>
> I'm not sure why you need two eyebolts on one side, is that what the plans call
> for? On mine I counterbored the wood so the eyebolts sits flush and also narrows
> the gap a bit. And yes I agree that nylon locknuts are appropriate on the
> eyebolts with clevis/cotter pins for the rotating hinge.
>
> Those clevis pins are also used to attach turnbuckle forks to the control horns,
> so buy plenty of various lengths. They're fairly cheap (for aircraft hardware!).
>
> Regards,
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2020 9:28 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>>
>>
>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
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>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Kip,
>
> The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
>
> Hi John F,
>
> This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded
but
> a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
> a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
> in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist any
> twisting force.
>
> John C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495550#495550
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m3070009_983.jpg
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>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> John C.,
>
> One advantage to using the three-eyebolt hinge is that you've got some play on
> the alignment. I only used one-to-one eyebolts and it's tough to get them all
> in alignment.
> Best of luck on your project...
> Regards,
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2020 10:13 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>>
>>
>> Hi Kip,
>>
>> The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
>>
>> Hi John F,
>>
>> This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded
> but a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
> a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
> in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist
> any twisting force.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495550#495550
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m3070009_983.jpg
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing rapidly with
> all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison of eyebolts vs.welded
> hinges? Glen
>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Kip Gardner wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the
> eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
> and the stabilizer.
>>
>> Kip Gardner
>>
>>>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't
show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer
> can't be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>>
>>> John C
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attachments:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
> the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
> will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
> from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
> that.
>
> Clif
>
> I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
> inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
>>
>>
>> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
>> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
>> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
> the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
> will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
> from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
> that.
>
> Clif
>
> I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
> inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
>>
>>
>> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
>> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
>> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bruce Kirk <brucekirk(at)ymail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/02/20 |
Hello all pietenpol builders, it seems an easy way to solve the discussion about
the hinges would be to machine hinges out of solid bar stock. If someone would
either send or post an accurate drawing or even send a sample of one of the
cast hinges I would be happy to program our CNC mill to crank out a bunch. If
you send one I will gladly return it ASAP.
Bruce Kirk brucekirk(at)ymail.com
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 2, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server
wrote:
>
> *
>
> =================================================
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> =================================================
>
> Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the
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> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
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> Total Messages Posted Thu 04/02/20: 10
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 12:25 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
> 2. 07:29 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (PoconoJohn2)
> 3. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Kip Gardner)
> 4. 07:41 AM - Re: Rib to Spar fit (PoconoJohn2)
> 5. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (John Franklin)
> 6. 08:14 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (PoconoJohn2)
> 7. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (John Franklin)
> 8. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Glen Schweizer)
> 9. 09:00 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
> 10. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
> It appears you're both right. Your just looking at two different aspects.
> The first question I see as referring to the eyebolts themselves, mounting
> them in the tailparts. No rotation there. The second is the hinge pin which
> is in a rotational situation. There you need castle and cotter. Or, as I
> have
> done, albeit with the traditional welded hinges, use a clevis pin. Saves a
> little weight in the tail which is heavy already. The issue I see with the
> eyebolts is that the forces are not centered on the hinge pin which will
> cause extra wear on the pin or bolt. There will be a bending force on all
> the parts. Also the stab and elevator will be further apart, larger gap,
> than the per plans hinges. Yes, I know, more finiky work but you only
> do it once. I look back on it with satisfaction in the experience.
>
> Clif
> How difficult it is to be simple. (Vincent van Gogh)
>
>> Oscar,
>>
>> But one of the two eyebolts will be rotating about the AN3 bolt, right?
>> However I'm not an expert on AC43-13. Another confusing subject for me is
>> when to use the dimpled AN bolts that are designated for shear situations.
>>
>> John F.
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>
>
> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>
> John C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the
eyebolts
> never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
> and the stabilizer.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 wrote:
>>
>>
>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib to Spar fit
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>
>
> 1"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495547#495547
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> John,
>
> I'm not sure why you need two eyebolts on one side, is that what the plans call
> for? On mine I counterbored the wood so the eyebolts sits flush and also narrows
> the gap a bit. And yes I agree that nylon locknuts are appropriate on the
> eyebolts with clevis/cotter pins for the rotating hinge.
>
> Those clevis pins are also used to attach turnbuckle forks to the control horns,
> so buy plenty of various lengths. They're fairly cheap (for aircraft hardware!).
>
> Regards,
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2020 9:28 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>>
>>
>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Kip,
>
> The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
>
> Hi John F,
>
> This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded
but
> a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
> a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
> in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist any
> twisting force.
>
> John C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495550#495550
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m3070009_983.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> John C.,
>
> One advantage to using the three-eyebolt hinge is that you've got some play on
> the alignment. I only used one-to-one eyebolts and it's tough to get them all
> in alignment.
> Best of luck on your project...
> Regards,
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2020 10:13 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>>
>>
>> Hi Kip,
>>
>> The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
>>
>> Hi John F,
>>
>> This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded
> but a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
> a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
> in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist
> any twisting force.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495550#495550
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m3070009_983.jpg
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing rapidly with
> all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison of eyebolts vs.welded
> hinges? Glen
>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Kip Gardner wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the
> eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
> and the stabilizer.
>>
>> Kip Gardner
>>
>>>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't
show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer
> can't be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>>
>>> John C
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attachments:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
> the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
> will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
> from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
> that.
>
> Clif
>
> I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
> inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
>>
>>
>> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
>> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
>> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
> the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
> will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
> from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
> that.
>
> Clif
>
> I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
> inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
>>
>>
>> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
>> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
>> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bruce Kirk <brucekirk(at)ymail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/02/20 |
Hello all pietenpol builders, it seems an easy way to solve the discussion about
the hinges would be to machine hinges out of solid bar stock. If someone would
either send or post an accurate drawing or even send a sample of one of the
cast hinges I would be happy to program our CNC mill to crank out a bunch. If
you send one I will gladly return it ASAP.
Bruce Kirk brucekirk(at)ymail.com
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 2, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Pietenpol-List Digest Server
wrote:
>
> *
>
> =================================================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> =================================================
>
> Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 20-04-02&Archive=Pietenpol
>
> Text Version:
>
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>
>
> ===============================================
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> ===============================================
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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> ---
> Total Messages Posted Thu 04/02/20: 10
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 12:25 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
> 2. 07:29 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (PoconoJohn2)
> 3. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Kip Gardner)
> 4. 07:41 AM - Re: Rib to Spar fit (PoconoJohn2)
> 5. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (John Franklin)
> 6. 08:14 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (PoconoJohn2)
> 7. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (John Franklin)
> 8. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Glen Schweizer)
> 9. 09:00 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
> 10. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (Clif Dawson)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
> It appears you're both right. Your just looking at two different aspects.
> The first question I see as referring to the eyebolts themselves, mounting
> them in the tailparts. No rotation there. The second is the hinge pin which
> is in a rotational situation. There you need castle and cotter. Or, as I
> have
> done, albeit with the traditional welded hinges, use a clevis pin. Saves a
> little weight in the tail which is heavy already. The issue I see with the
> eyebolts is that the forces are not centered on the hinge pin which will
> cause extra wear on the pin or bolt. There will be a bending force on all
> the parts. Also the stab and elevator will be further apart, larger gap,
> than the per plans hinges. Yes, I know, more finiky work but you only
> do it once. I look back on it with satisfaction in the experience.
>
> Clif
> How difficult it is to be simple. (Vincent van Gogh)
>
>> Oscar,
>>
>> But one of the two eyebolts will be rotating about the AN3 bolt, right?
>> However I'm not an expert on AC43-13. Another confusing subject for me is
>> when to use the dimpled AN bolts that are designated for shear situations.
>>
>> John F.
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>
>
> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>
> John C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Kip Gardner <kipgohio1957(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the
eyebolts
> never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
> and the stabilizer.
>
> Kip Gardner
>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 wrote:
>>
>>
>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib to Spar fit
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>
>
> 1"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495547#495547
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> John,
>
> I'm not sure why you need two eyebolts on one side, is that what the plans call
> for? On mine I counterbored the wood so the eyebolts sits flush and also narrows
> the gap a bit. And yes I agree that nylon locknuts are appropriate on the
> eyebolts with clevis/cotter pins for the rotating hinge.
>
> Those clevis pins are also used to attach turnbuckle forks to the control horns,
> so buy plenty of various lengths. They're fairly cheap (for aircraft hardware!).
>
> Regards,
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2020 9:28 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>>
>>
>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer can't
> be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495544#495544
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1030_122.jpg
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
> From: "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Kip,
>
> The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
>
> Hi John F,
>
> This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded
but
> a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
> a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
> in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist any
> twisting force.
>
> John C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495550#495550
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/m3070009_983.jpg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> John C.,
>
> One advantage to using the three-eyebolt hinge is that you've got some play on
> the alignment. I only used one-to-one eyebolts and it's tough to get them all
> in alignment.
> Best of luck on your project...
> Regards,
> John F.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PoconoJohn2 <redroof(at)protonmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2020 10:13 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>>
>>
>> Hi Kip,
>>
>> The bolts will not rotate with the clevis pin going through their openings.
>>
>> Hi John F,
>>
>> This photo shows hinges from the original plans. Originally, they were welded
> but a note says it was changed to cast aluminum. Can't find them anymore. Anyway,
> a pin passes through three openings. The plans specify one side has two opening
> in the hinge and the opposing side has one. I believe that would resist
> any twisting force.
>>
>> John C
>>
>>
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> From: Glen Schweizer <glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
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>
> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing rapidly with
> all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison of eyebolts vs.welded
> hinges? Glen
>
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Kip Gardner wrote:
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>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that the
> eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between the elevator
> and the stabilizer.
>>
>> Kip Gardner
>>
>>>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 10:28 AM, PoconoJohn2 wrote:
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>>>
>>> It would look like this. The photo (not sure who is building that) doesn't
show
> the 1/8" piece of wood which may account for the amount of "grip" area showing
> on the bolt. I believe a large elastic stop nut will suffice. The washer
> can't be too large since two are next to each other. I need the clevis with pin.
>>>
>>> John C
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> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
> the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
> will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
> from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
> that.
>
> Clif
>
> I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
> inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
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>> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
>> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
>> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
>
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> From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
>
> Probably not a lot of difference. After all, four bolts are used to hold
> the welded hinges. I'm happy to see the use of three eyes. The clevis
> will not have side loads. I don't think there will be a binding issue
> from twisting of the eyes. The clevis fit and those washers will prevent
> that.
>
> Clif
>
> I'd like to see the gap reduced also. Even with the welded hinges I have
> inset them into the wood to reduce the gap.
>
>>
>>
>> Ive been following this thread and I see the grams scale increasing
>> rapidly with all this pretty hardware. Has anyone done a weight comparison
>> of eyebolts vs.welded hinges? Glen
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would say that will work ok as long as you do something to assure that
>>> the eyebolts never rotate, and you do something to reduce the gap between
>>> the elevator and the stabilizer.
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
- Steven, you got the full dose injection of 65cc of Continental power in your
rear end when you went up with me in 41CC that day. I know you weren't immune
and would succumb to it. We could have done better if I'd have taken you up
in the airplane with the A75 on it, especially on those warm south Texas afternoons,
but 65 was apparently enough.
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Medford, OR
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A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Earl; yes, I am still selling the cast aluminum Vi Kapler-style hinges. However,
I no longer have the free time to finish them, so all I am offering right now
are the rough castings for the builder to finish. It only requires simple
hand operations to smooth the edges, countersink and drill the mounting holes,
and drill the pivot holes, but it does take time to turn out a set of 18 pieces
and right now my time is in pretty short supply. Every hour I can put in my
timesheet at work as the company president gains me the equivalent gain of a
half-dozen sets of Piet tail hinges, which might take me 6-8 hours to crank out.
I have clevis pins with thin washers and cotter pins on the hinges on my airplane,
and that's what I recommend. I remember running a weight comparison doing
the nine hinge points using something heavier and you would be surprised how
much difference it makes back there on the tail. My old hangar mate Craig Wall
is a weight freak and he helped me swap out the clevis pins in my hinges with
titanium ones, the shortest possible, along with the thin washers. We cottered
them all up and clipped the excess tails of the cotters to get everything
as light as possible back there. I have to admit that working cotter pins in
the narrow gap between the tail surfaces can be frustrating and maddening if you
try to do it solo... much easier with a person on each side of the control
surface and you soon work out "who holds what, who inserts what, who bends what,
who clips what" to make it a process. It's a lot of fidgety little parts to
work in a tight space.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/02/20 |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
DHawk: you'll need to machine two parts... one part has a single 'ear' that fits
into the mating part, which has two 'ears'. This puts the hinge pin in double
shear.
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Medford, OR
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A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
I would have resisted better if I had put on ear protection. You had me at
a disadvantage. I was overwhelmed.
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 11:49 AM taildrags wrote:
>
> - Steven, you got the full dose injection of 65cc of Continental power in
> your rear end when you went up with me in 41CC that day. I know you
> weren't immune and would succumb to it. We could have done better if I'd
> have taken you up in the airplane with the A75 on it, especially on those
> warm south Texas afternoons, but 65 was apparently enough.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steven- very insensitive of me to have not offered you some earmuffs before the
flight; sorry. Oh but hey, I thought Army grunts didn't need hearing protection
anyway-? And it was questionable as to whether I was even going to let you
get into my airplane because at the time, I had my doubts about someone who
would actually paint an entire Chevy Suburban with nothing but rattle cans of
red paint from Lowe's...
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
First! You did offer ear muffs, but I didn't want you to have time to
change your mind.
I am slightly offended! The worst way to paint is on a grassy surface, on a
hot day in the wind. So we painted it in the ditch on a 100 degree, Windy's
day. But I did not use rattle cans! It was valspar tractor paint.
International Harvester Red to be exact.
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:15 PM taildrags wrote:
>
> Steven- very insensitive of me to have not offered you some earmuffs
> before the flight; sorry. Oh but hey, I thought Army grunts didn't need
> hearing protection anyway-? And it was questionable as to whether I was
> even going to let you get into my airplane because at the time, I had my
> doubts about someone who would actually paint an entire Chevy Suburban with
> nothing but rattle cans of red paint from Lowe's...
>
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Just to keep this post on topic, I will add that I can't seem to consistently 3-point
my Piet either, and my wheel landing technique needs work but it's probably
better than some of my attempts to 3-point. Definitely better to wheel land
it if there's any significant amount of x-wind or you're operating out of
a narrow strip. I've gotten lazy operating out of the Medford airport, which
is 8800 x 150 feet and if I drift off to one side or the other a little, it doesn't
matter much. I can also angle my landing so as to touch down on one side
of the runway and use the width of the runway to get the nose pointed a little
closer to the wind. I've got some 8.00 tires that I'm going to put on instead
of the 6's to put the nose just a little higher in the 3-point attitude to
see what that does to my landings. At rest, the top longerons of my airplane
are currently at 12.2 degrees from the horizontal (as measured with the digital
level app on my phone).
My Piet sure isn't much of a floater, but that makes it easier for me to consistently
make the first turnoff on our long runway, or to get into short strips
when coming in over an obstacle.
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Medford, OR
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A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
Bernard must secretly have been a carrier pilot. :-)
Clif
>
> My Piet sure isn't much of a floater, but that makes it easier for me to
> consistently make the first turnoff on our long runway, or to get into
> short strips when coming in over an obstacle.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics |
Bernard must secretly have been a carrier pilot. :-)
Clif
>
> My Piet sure isn't much of a floater, but that makes it easier for me to
> consistently make the first turnoff on our long runway, or to get into
> short strips when coming in over an obstacle.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | N-numbers for homebuilts |
I have an N-number reserved with the FAA but it doesn't contain the "X" for experimental.
Can I add that to the number displayed on the plane or does it have
to be there when the number is assigned by the FAA?
John F.
GN-1 / Corvair
Prairie Aire 4TA0
Needville, TX
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| From: | Rodney Hall <r.r.hall(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: N-numbers for homebuilts |
According to AC 45-2E: You may insert the symbol (C, standard; R, restricted;
L, limited; or X,
experimental or provisionally certificated) appropriate to the airworthiness certificate
of
the three types of aircraft listed below. The symbol may be placed between the
nationality designation and the registration number, for example, NX1234.
1. A U.S.-registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago,
2. A U.S.-registered aircraft with the same external configuration as an aircraft
built at
least 30 years ago that is operating under a special airworthiness certificate
as an
exhibition aircraft, or
3. An amateur-built aircraft with the same external configuration as an aircraft
built at
least 30 years ago.
The traditional Pietenpol should qualify.
Rodney Hall
> On April 5, 2020 at 10:42 PM John Franklin wrote:
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>
>
> I have an N-number reserved with the FAA but it doesn't contain the "X" for experimental.
Can I add that to the number displayed on the plane or does it have
to be there when the number is assigned by the FAA?
>
> John F.
> GN-1 / Corvair
> Prairie Aire 4TA0
> Needville, TX
>
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| Subject: | Re: Allen James Pietenpol Diplomat from across the pond |
| From: | "AlishaHoward" <hajakam545(at)smlmail.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: N-numbers for homebuilts |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4us(at)gmail.com> |
Just remember that when you actually register your aircraft to use the N- number
without the X as the FAA no longer issues NX reg numbers.
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Todd Stovall
aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying
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| Subject: | Are these pieces for hinges required? |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
The plans show a 1/8" ply where the hinges go. That's with the hinges shown on
the plans. Do I still need them with eye bolts using a large washer?
John C
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| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Are these pieces for hinges required? |
I used them...
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 6, 2020, at 3:51 PM, PoconoJohn2 wrote:
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> The plans show a 1/8" ply where the hinges go. That's with the hinges shown on
the plans. Do I still need them with eye bolts using a large washer?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Are these pieces for hinges required? |
| From: | "gjkaal" <gjhkaal(at)gmail.com> |
I used them and you should, to make up for the material that is lost when drilling
the holes for the hinges.
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| From: | "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Are these pieces for hinges required? |
Hi John, you may want to consider slightly thicker ply if you have to drill larger
holes than the plans call for, to use the aircraft hardware.
Skip
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>Sent: Apr 6, 2020 4:51 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Are these pieces for hinges required?
>
>
>The plans show a 1/8" ply where the hinges go. That's with the hinges shown on
the plans. Do I still need them with eye bolts using a large washer?
>
>John C
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| Subject: | Re: N-numbers for homebuilts |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
My airplane, NX41CC, wears those tail numbers but the "X" does not appear in the
FAA records and ATC does not want to hear any "November Xray four-one-Charlie-Charlie"
from me. My 2-place Air Camper is not required to display the word
'EXPERIMENTAL" near the passenger cockpit as a result of having the "X" in the
registration markings.
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A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Are these pieces for hinges required? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I think it's a good idea to include the ply because (1) the plans show it, and
(2) in the event of tail surface flutter, however unlikely it is, it's nice to
know that there is some additional load transfer area between the control surface
hinges and the spars that carry those loads.
Oh, and it lets the plywood take the direct bearing forces of the washer and nut,
leaving the underlying spar material un-compressed.
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Medford, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Are these pieces for hinges required? |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Thanks everyone!
John C
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| Subject: | Re: 3/16 inch bolts for Pietenpol |
| From: | "HaroldZimmer" <shery40(at)getnada.com> |
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| From: | Jack Textor <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 3/16 inch bolts for Pietenpol |
Harold has been hacked...
Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
thanks for the tip on the corners
I have been working of the fabrication of my engine mount
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| Subject: | Re: 3/16 inch bolts for Pietenpol |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
although on a home built airplane you may use whatever fasteners you want, It is
highly recommended that you stick to AN hardware or at least grade 8 material,
the average hardware store stuff is not tested nearly to the same standards.
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| Subject: | Re: 33% or 36% MAC? |
| From: | "JessicaLowry" <bylos(at)getnada.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
I am still working on my engine mount. Starting to get it attached to the air frame
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| Subject: | Re: 33% or 36% MAC? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Thank you for those wonderful airfoil-related insights, Jessica.
??!!
-Oscar
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Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Bobby Paulk <bobbypaulk(at)comcast.net> |
Speaking of airfoils - I knew of a guy that enlarged the plans he had for the ribs
instead of laying it out. During the process the photo was skewed and the
rib shape was altered between the front spar and the leading edge causing a slight
under camber. The airplane would not give any warning but set up a very high
sink rate. You would have to hold a little power and extra speed to three
point it.
A lot of Piet pilots would drop it in from 3' to 6'. Make sure your ribs are laid
out correctly.
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| Subject: | Heating after the bend |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
I made a 90 degree bend in several pieces of 4130 .090. Am I supposed to heat them
up to relieve stress? I feel like I heard that somewhere but no answer in
Tony B's books or AC43.13-1B (or I missed it).
Thanks!
John C
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| Subject: | Re: Heating after the bend |
| From: | "danoliver" <danoliver909(at)gmail.com> |
I sure hope not. I made all my bends cold per BHP.
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Dan O
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| Subject: | Re: Heating after the bend |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Same here. I never pre-heated anything (except tubing to squish the ends), but
for these 90 degree bends, just curious. I'm not worried about the small bends
on wire fittings and such.
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| Subject: | Re: Heating after the bend |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Dan: the question was about bending 4130. If I remember correctly, the fittings
in the BHP plans and narrative are all mild steel. Google searching on stress-relieving
4130 seems to indicate that that treatment is used after welding,
not bending, and that thin-wall (under about 0.120") doesn't need stress relieving.
However, I am not a welder or steel fabricator, so I'm just repeating what I've
found online.
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Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Heating after the bend |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Hi Oscar!
Maybe you've seen this, but certainly others coming by might find this article
interesting (posted below).
Meanwhile, I did heat some of the bends with a BernzOmatic Map-Pro Hand Torch to
see what happens. I let the steel just barely start to turn red. I pulled the
torch away slowly as to not shock cool.
There's no obvious damage to the steel, which has a slight blue tinge to it and
some soot (carbon I suppose) which wipes off.
I know some builders heat steel to make it easier to bend. I assume there's no
harm done, especially at a temperature where it doesn't turn red and heated for
a brief time.
Here's the article: http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/4130.htm
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heating after the bend |
As long as you used the appropriate bend radius and don't see any cracking
at the bend, you're fine. If you do see cracking, post-bend heating won't
help. Just throw the cracked parts away and start over with a larger bend
radius.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Same here. I never pre-heated anything (except tubing to squish the ends),
but for these 90 degree bends, just curious. I'm not worried about the small
bends on wire fittings and such.
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| Subject: | Re: Heating after the bend |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
A pictures worth a thousand words. I was going to use the rod you see in the second
photo with a vise, but my floor mounted bender seemed to give a rounder radius
(using trial pieces), so went with that.
The bend radius looks OK and no damage noted. I beveled the edges also.
The details in these photos is amazing. I took them from 150 grit to 220 to 320,
and they looked good. Seeing them now, guess I'll hit 'em again.
John C
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Pietenpol
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bcolleran
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| Subject: | Re: Heating after the bend |
As long as you have used the proper bend radius you are good to go.
Jerry
Sky Classic Aircraft
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Dan: the question was about bending 4130. If I remember correctly, the
fittings in the BHP plans and narrative are all mild steel. Google
searching on stress-relieving 4130 seems to indicate that that treatment is
used after welding, not bending, and that thin-wall (under about 0.120")
doesn't need stress relieving.
However, I am not a welder or steel fabricator, so I'm just repeating what
I've found online.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
I got the engine mount completed. Now i am running out of excuses not to start
covering.
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| Subject: | Hinges with eye bolts |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
I'm using eye bolts for hinges. I don't want the holes (3/16") too close together,
so I spaced them 1" apart (on center). The resulting space on the clevis pin
adds up to 3/4".
Should I pile washers in there or is there a spacer I can use...perhaps using some
tubing.
Or....should I redo this and space the bolts closer, but then how close is too
close?
Thank you,
John C
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| Subject: | Re: Hinges with eye bolts |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
John; I think I would get some nylon bushing material with the right ID to slip
over the clevis pin and use two pieces to fill in the gaps. Self-lubricating,
tough, light.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
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A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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1. 09:46 AM - Re: Flight characteristics (taildrags)
2. 10:07 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (taildrags)
3. 10:09 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/02/20 (taildrag
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4. 11:06 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics (Steven Dortch)
5. 01:11 PM - Re: Flight characteristics (taildrags)
6. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics (Steven Dortch)
7. 04:43 PM - Re: Flight characteristics (taildrags)
________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight characteristics
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
- Steven, you got the full dose injection of 65cc of Continental power in y
our
rear end when you went up with me in 41CC that day. I know you weren't imm
une
and would succumb to it. We could have done better if I'd have taken you u
p
in the airplane with the A75 on it, especially on those warm south Texas af
ternoons,
but 65 was apparently enough.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Earl; yes, I am still selling the cast aluminum Vi Kapler-style hinges. Ho
wever,
I no longer have the free time to finish them, so all I am offering right n
ow
are the rough castings for the builder to finish. It only requires simple
hand operations to smooth the edges, countersink and drill the mounting hol
es,
and drill the pivot holes, but it does take time to turn out a set of 18 pi
eces
and right now my time is in pretty short supply. Every hour I can put in m
y
timesheet at work as the company president gains me the equivalent gain of
a
half-dozen sets of Piet tail hinges, which might take me 6-8 hours to crank
out.
I have clevis pins with thin washers and cotter pins on the hinges on my ai
rplane,
and that's what I recommend. I remember running a weight comparison doing
the nine hinge points using something heavier and you would be surprised ho
w
much difference it makes back there on the tail. My old hangar mate Craig
Wall
is a weight freak and he helped me swap out the clevis pins in my hinges wi
th
titanium ones, the shortest possible, along with the thin washers. We cott
ered
them all up and clipped the excess tails of the cotters to get everything
as light as possible back there. I have to admit that working cotter pins
in
the narrow gap between the tail surfaces can be frustrating and maddening i
f you
try to do it solo... much easier with a person on each side of the control
surface and you soon work out "who holds what, who inserts what, who bends
what,
who clips what" to make it a process. It's a lot of fidgety little parts t
o
work in a tight space.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/02/20
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
DHawk: you'll need to machine two parts... one part has a single 'ear' that
fits
into the mating part, which has two 'ears'. This puts the hinge pin in dou
ble
shear.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight characteristics
I would have resisted better if I had put on ear protection. You had me at
a disadvantage. I was overwhelmed.
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 11:49 AM taildrags wrote:
>
> - Steven, you got the full dose injection of 65cc of Continental power in
> your rear end when you went up with me in 41CC that day. I know you
> weren't immune and would succumb to it. We could have done better if I'd
> have taken you up in the airplane with the A75 on it, especially on those
> warm south Texas afternoons, but 65 was apparently enough.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495606#495606
>
>
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight characteristics
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Steven- very insensitive of me to have not offered you some earmuffs before
the
flight; sorry. Oh but hey, I thought Army grunts didn't need hearing prote
ction
anyway-? And it was questionable as to whether I was even going to let you
get into my airplane because at the time, I had my doubts about someone who
would actually paint an entire Chevy Suburban with nothing but rattle cans
of
red paint from Lowe's...
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight characteristics
First! You did offer ear muffs, but I didn't want you to have time to
change your mind.
I am slightly offended! The worst way to paint is on a grassy surface, on a
hot day in the wind. So we painted it in the ditch on a 100 degree, Windy's
day. But I did not use rattle cans! It was valspar tractor paint.
International Harvester Red to be exact.
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:15 PM taildrags wrote:
>
> Steven- very insensitive of me to have not offered you some earmuffs
> before the flight; sorry. Oh but hey, I thought Army grunts didn't need
> hearing protection anyway-? And it was questionable as to whether I was
> even going to let you get into my airplane because at the time, I had my
> doubts about someone who would actually paint an entire Chevy Suburban wi
th
> nothing but rattle cans of red paint from Lowe's...
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495612#495612
>
>
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight characteristics
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Just to keep this post on topic, I will add that I can't seem to consistent
ly 3-point
my Piet either, and my wheel landing technique needs work but it's probably
better than some of my attempts to 3-point. Definitely better to wheel lan
d
it if there's any significant amount of x-wind or you're operating out of
a narrow strip. I've gotten lazy operating out of the Medford airport, whi
ch
is 8800 x 150 feet and if I drift off to one side or the other a little, it
doesn't
matter much. I can also angle my landing so as to touch down on one side
of the runway and use the width of the runway to get the nose pointed a lit
tle
closer to the wind. I've got some 8.00 tires that I'm going to put on inst
ead
of the 6's to put the nose just a little higher in the 3-point attitude to
see what that does to my landings. At rest, the top longerons of my airpla
ne
are currently at 12.2 degrees from the horizontal (as measured with the dig
ital
level app on my phone).
My Piet sure isn't much of a floater, but that makes it easier for me to co
nsistently
make the first turnoff on our long runway, or to get into short strips
when coming in over an obstacle.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 04/04/20 |
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> 1. 09:46 AM - Re: Flight characteristics (taildrags)
>
> 2. 10:07 AM - Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges (taildrags)
>
> 3. 10:09 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/02/20
> (taildrags)
>
> 4. 11:06 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics (Steven Dortch)
>
> 5. 01:11 PM - Re: Flight characteristics (taildrags)
>
> 6. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics (Steven Dortch)
>
> 7. 04:43 PM - Re: Flight characteristics (taildrags)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight characteristics
>
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> - Steven, you got the full dose injection of 65cc of Continental power in
> your
>
> rear end when you went up with me in 41CC that day. I know you weren't
> immune
>
> and would succumb to it. We could have done better if I'd have taken you
> up
>
> in the airplane with the A75 on it, especially on those warm south Texas
> afternoons,
>
> but 65 was apparently enough.
>
>
> --------
>
> Oscar Zuniga
>
> Medford, OR
>
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495606#495606
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: AN42B eye bolt for hinges
>
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> Earl; yes, I am still selling the cast aluminum Vi Kapler-style hinges.
> However,
>
> I no longer have the free time to finish them, so all I am offering right
> now
>
> are the rough castings for the builder to finish. It only requires simple
>
> hand operations to smooth the edges, countersink and drill the mounting
> holes,
>
> and drill the pivot holes, but it does take time to turn out a set of 18
> pieces
>
> and right now my time is in pretty short supply. Every hour I can put in
> my
>
> timesheet at work as the company president gains me the equivalent gain of
> a
>
> half-dozen sets of Piet tail hinges, which might take me 6-8 hours to
> crank out.
>
>
> I have clevis pins with thin washers and cotter pins on the hinges on my
> airplane,
>
> and that's what I recommend. I remember running a weight comparison doing
>
> the nine hinge points using something heavier and you would be surprised
> how
>
> much difference it makes back there on the tail. My old hangar mate Craig
> Wall
>
> is a weight freak and he helped me swap out the clevis pins in my hinges
> with
>
> titanium ones, the shortest possible, along with the thin washers. We
> cottered
>
> them all up and clipped the excess tails of the cotters to get everything
>
> as light as possible back there. I have to admit that working cotter pins
> in
>
> the narrow gap between the tail surfaces can be frustrating and maddening
> if you
>
> try to do it solo... much easier with a person on each side of the control
>
> surface and you soon work out "who holds what, who inserts what, who bends
> what,
>
> who clips what" to make it a process. It's a lot of fidgety little parts
> to
>
> work in a tight space.
>
>
> --------
>
> Oscar Zuniga
>
> Medford, OR
>
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495607#495607
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/02/20
>
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> DHawk: you'll need to machine two parts... one part has a single 'ear'
> that fits
>
> into the mating part, which has two 'ears'. This puts the hinge pin in
> double
>
> shear.
>
>
> --------
>
> Oscar Zuniga
>
> Medford, OR
>
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495608#495608
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
>
> From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight characteristics
>
>
> I would have resisted better if I had put on ear protection. You had me at
>
> a disadvantage. I was overwhelmed.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 11:49 AM taildrags wrote:
>
>
> >
>
> > - Steven, you got the full dose injection of 65cc of Continental power in
>
> > your rear end when you went up with me in 41CC that day. I know you
>
> > weren't immune and would succumb to it. We could have done better if I'd
>
> > have taken you up in the airplane with the A75 on it, especially on those
>
> > warm south Texas afternoons, but 65 was apparently enough.
>
> >
>
> > --------
>
> > Oscar Zuniga
>
> > Medford, OR
>
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>
> > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Read this topic online here:
>
> >
>
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495606#495606
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight characteristics
>
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> Steven- very insensitive of me to have not offered you some earmuffs
> before the
>
> flight; sorry. Oh but hey, I thought Army grunts didn't need hearing
> protection
>
> anyway-? And it was questionable as to whether I was even going to let you
>
> get into my airplane because at the time, I had my doubts about someone who
>
> would actually paint an entire Chevy Suburban with nothing but rattle cans
> of
>
> red paint from Lowe's...
>
>
> --------
>
> Oscar Zuniga
>
> Medford, OR
>
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495612#495612
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
>
> From: Steven Dortch <steven.d.dortch(at)gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight characteristics
>
>
> First! You did offer ear muffs, but I didn't want you to have time to
>
> change your mind.
>
>
> I am slightly offended! The worst way to paint is on a grassy surface, on a
>
> hot day in the wind. So we painted it in the ditch on a 100 degree, Windy's
>
> day. But I did not use rattle cans! It was valspar tractor paint.
>
> International Harvester Red to be exact.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 3:15 PM taildrags wrote:
>
>
> >
>
> > Steven- very insensitive of me to have not offered you some earmuffs
>
> > before the flight; sorry. Oh but hey, I thought Army grunts didn't need
>
> > hearing protection anyway-? And it was questionable as to whether I was
>
> > even going to let you get into my airplane because at the time, I had my
>
> > doubts about someone who would actually paint an entire Chevy Suburban
> with
>
> > nothing but rattle cans of red paint from Lowe's...
>
> >
>
> > --------
>
> > Oscar Zuniga
>
> > Medford, OR
>
> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>
> > A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Read this topic online here:
>
> >
>
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495612#495612
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flight characteristics
>
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> Just to keep this post on topic, I will add that I can't seem to
> consistently 3-point
>
> my Piet either, and my wheel landing technique needs work but it's probably
>
> better than some of my attempts to 3-point. Definitely better to wheel
> land
>
> it if there's any significant amount of x-wind or you're operating out of
>
> a narrow strip. I've gotten lazy operating out of the Medford airport,
> which
>
> is 8800 x 150 feet and if I drift off to one side or the other a little,
> it doesn't
>
> matter much. I can also angle my landing so as to touch down on one side
>
> of the runway and use the width of the runway to get the nose pointed a
> little
>
> closer to the wind. I've got some 8.00 tires that I'm going to put on
> instead
>
> of the 6's to put the nose just a little higher in the 3-point attitude to
>
> see what that does to my landings. At rest, the top longerons of my
> airplane
>
> are currently at 12.2 degrees from the horizontal (as measured with the
> digital
>
> level app on my phone).
>
>
> My Piet sure isn't much of a floater, but that makes it easier for me to
> consistently
>
> make the first turnoff on our long runway, or to get into short strips
>
> when coming in over an obstacle.
>
>
> --------
>
> Oscar Zuniga
>
> Medford, OR
>
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495614#495614
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hinges with eye bolts |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Thank you. I'll check into that.
John C
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| From: | Semih Oksay <semihoksay(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
Hi Lee
I am following your progress. I think you are doing great. Since I am 65, I
am confined to my house and cannot go to my workshop. I was At the same
stage as you are about a month ago. I hope this thing ends soon.
Cheers
Semih Oksay
Building an Air Camper with Conti C90 in Istanbul, Turkey
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 12:02 AM cdlwingnut wrote:
>
> I got the engine mount completed. Now i am running out of excuses not to
> start covering.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495928#495928
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>
--
Semih Oksay
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| Subject: | Re: Hinges with eye bolts |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Another builder, Earl Brown, showed me the GN-1 plans and I'm going to do it that
way.
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Airspeed Indicators |
My ASI has two hose connections, one for the pitot tube and one for the static
air. Is it necessary to run a tube out to the static tube next to the pitot?
I neglected to run the hose inside the wing so it would be much easier for me
to run one 1/4" ID tube rather than two.
Thanks,
John F.
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| From: | "Jack Philips" <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> |
| Subject: | Airspeed Indicators |
It doesn't matter unless you are going to be IFR in your Pietenpol and need the
pitot/static system to be certified. Your airspeed just won't be as accurate
if you are relying on the pressure behind your instrument to be true static pressure.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Franklin
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 3:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airspeed Indicators
My ASI has two hose connections, one for the pitot tube and one for the static
air. Is it necessary to run a tube out to the static tube next to the pitot?
I neglected to run the hose inside the wing so it would be much easier for me
to run one 1/4" ID tube rather than two.
Thanks,
John F.
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| Subject: | What is this on the drawing page 2? |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
What is the little bump at the base of the vertical stabilizer? (next to ?)
John C
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: What is this on the drawing page 2? |
Elevator hinge.
Clif, workin on exhaust
> What is the little bump at the base of the vertical stabilizer? (next to
> ?)
>
> John C
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: What is this on the drawing page 2? |
Elevator hinge.
Clif, workin on exhaust
> What is the little bump at the base of the vertical stabilizer? (next to
> ?)
>
> John C
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| Subject: | Re: What is this on the drawing page 2? |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Thanks! Those pieces sure look nice.
John C
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| Subject: | !/4" bolt in 5/8" wood? |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
If I'm reading the GN1 plan right (I'm applying this to my Pietenpol), I'm supposed
to put a 1/4" bolt into a beam which is mostly 5/8" wide (going first through
the 1" wide edge), so 1/16" margin on either side. Then, once the nut is
on, I'll have about 1/16" left (7/8" wood + 1/16" washer) and I'm not sure if
I'll get the minimum one full thread sticking out.
If this is correct, should I reinforce the beam with 1/8" ply where the bolt is
only 1/16" away (on top and bottom surface in this photo)?
John C
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| Subject: | Upper Brace Wire Fitting |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
The plans (page 2) show 23" from the center of the horizontal stabilizer to the
center of the fitting. If I do that, the spruce strip is in the way, almost exactly
there.
Do I raise the fitting 1.5"? Or do I lower the strip?
What did you do (if you came across this)?
Thank you.
John C
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| Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicators |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
My airplane has the static tube running to a "real" static port on the side of
the fuselage, but I doubt that it would make much difference if it just sensed
static right out the fitting on the back of the instrument, behind the panel.
It's all kind of relative anyway... since we're all using different airspeed
indicators and generally positioning our pitot tubes in slightly different locations
and making them out of different things.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: What is this on the drawing page 2? |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Clif's going to be making some nice moose sausage! Push chunks of moose into those
exhaust pipes through the perforated tips, maybe mixed with some pork, and
out comes some sausage ;o)
Clif, there aren't any sound level requirements for aircraft registration in Canada,
are there? Or for spark arrestors?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Brace Wire Fitting |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Just looked at the plans and you're right, several things all come together right
there, including the rudder hinge. If you move the brace wire attach bracket
up 1.5", I think there will be interference with the top of the hinge or its
attach hardware. If you lower the strip, about the only harm done will be that
the rows of horizontal stitching and pinked tape won't be evenly spaced up
and down the stabilizer. If you've already built the wood parts, I think I would
lower the brace wire bracket, because that 23" dimension is most likely not
critical structurally.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: What is this on the drawing page 2? |
Not really, just hopefully intelligent practice.
The son of a man who built a Piet in 1932 on Vancouver Island
built one of them RV spam cans and his exhaust is four short,
direct pipes straight down from the heads of his O-320.
Somehow I think mine will be somewhat quieter. I'll be running
the 290 at quite a low rpm anyway.
It's all experiment anyway. if it's too noisy I'll just make something
different.
Speaking of engines and meat , Many years ago, early 60's, A friend's
older brother was working on his hot rod. The hood was up and he
went inside for whatever. Coming back out he jumped in and hit
the starter. WHOOMP!!SHUDDER!SHUDDER!! stop. It turns out
that his little sisters cat had decided the open,warm 4 barrel was just
the ticket for a snooze.
Ah, the good old days. I was there wasn't I?
Clif
"Life," said Ray Bradbury, "is trying things to see if they work."
Did you know that no man, or woman for that matter, has ever
gone into a hardware store wanting a drill bit.
What they really wanted was a hole.
>
> Clif's going to be making some nice moose sausage! Push chunks of moose
> into those exhaust pipes through the perforated tips, maybe mixed with
> some pork, and out comes some sausage ;o)
>
> Clif, there aren't any sound level requirements for aircraft registration
> in Canada, are there? Or for spark arrestors?
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Upper Brace Wire Fitting |
Raise the fitting. No biggy.
Clif
>
> The plans (page 2) show 23" from the center of the horizontal stabilizer
> to the center of the fitting. If I do that, the spruce strip is in the
> way, almost exactly there.
>
> Do I raise the fitting 1.5"? Or do I lower the strip?
>
> What did you do (if you came across this)?
>
> Thank you.
>
> John C
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Upper Brace Wire Fitting |
Raise the fitting. No biggy.
Clif
>
> The plans (page 2) show 23" from the center of the horizontal stabilizer
> to the center of the fitting. If I do that, the spruce strip is in the
> way, almost exactly there.
>
> Do I raise the fitting 1.5"? Or do I lower the strip?
>
> What did you do (if you came across this)?
>
> Thank you.
>
> John C
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Brace Wire Fitting |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Thank you gentlemen. Right now, my plan is to leave the spruce strip in position
per plans and raise the fitting above it (so 1.5" above plans position). The
hinge works out OK above all that keeping with the plans position.
I added a photo to show what is going on. Ignore the beam on top. The pencil is
between two lines. The lines represent the spruce strip. The pencil points at
the plans fitting location. You can see the 1/8" ply for the fitting. To the
left of that, you can see the hole for the eye bolt hinge and it's on the plans
location.
John C
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: !/4" bolt in 5/8" wood? |
1/4" is 4/16. 5/8 is 10/16. The diff is 6/16 or 3/16 on either side of the
bolt.
The photo didn't come through.
Clif
>
> If I'm reading the GN1 plan right (I'm applying this to my Pietenpol), I'm
> supposed to put a 1/4" bolt into a beam which is mostly 5/8" wide (going
> first through the 1" wide edge), so 1/16" margin on either side. Then,
> once the nut is on, I'll have about 1/16" left (7/8" wood + 1/16" washer)
> and I'm not sure if I'll get the minimum one full thread sticking out.
>
> If this is correct, should I reinforce the beam with 1/8" ply where the
> bolt is only 1/16" away (on top and bottom surface in this photo)?
>
> John C
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| Subject: | Re: !/4" bolt in 5/8" wood? |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Thank you. I saw my mistake right after I posted and deleted the post.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/27/20 |
Model A Ford guys: What shops do machine work on "A" Ford engines for the
Pietenpol?
Thank you.
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| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Just wanted this here if anyone searches. For hinges, GN1 plans say to use eyebolt
AN43B-13. That is 1 1/8" nominal length, but you need at least 1 5/8", so
the eyebolt should be AN43B-15.
1" beam + 1/8" ply front + 1/8" ply back + 1/4" nut + 1/16" washer + you need at
least one full thread exposed.
John C
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
oldbird, I hope you can get back to your project soon,
I tried my hand with some fabric yesterday, I had a friend who knows what he's
doing coaching. I was fun. The rudder is coming along
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| Subject: | Tail Spruce Strips |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
This is one of the spruce strips at the trailing edge of the rudder. There won't
be much left if I sand it to match the back edge. Just wondering what you did.
I'd like to sand gradually (smooth curve), but seems like it's better to have
an abrupt curve (just knock the corner off).
Thanks!
John C
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Spruce Strips |
| From: | "dloegering" <danl(at)odayequipment.com> |
On mine, I left the front edge full depth and started my taper there that carried
down to the trailing edge of the elevator. Ended up needing a slight bit of
filler at the trailing edge of the strip because there will be about a 1/16"
step there to blend into the trailing edge.
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Dan Loegering
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Spruce Strips |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
I've been thinking about making a notch about 1/16" deep in the ledge, so there
will be at least an 1/8" of spruce strip left at the area.
Thank you for writing.
John C
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Spruce Strips |
| From: | "dloegering" <danl(at)odayequipment.com> |
I would avoid notching the beam there if possible. While it would probably be
fine, any notches on the outside surfaces of a beam will weaken it somewhat even
if there is a piece glued back into the notch. Picture a floor beam and running
a pipe through it, you wouldn't want to put a notch at the bottom of the
beam as it effectively reduces the thickness (strength) of the beam. There is
still a lot of the stringer strip left once it is blended in.
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Dan Loegering
Fargo, ND
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| From: | Chris Tracy <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail Spruce Strips |
I sanded them down. They seem plenty strong. I did add a small piece betwee
n the upper and lower rib just to add some rigidity.=C2-
Chris
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I would avoid notching the beam there if possible.=C2- While it would pro
bably be fine, any notches on the outside surfaces of a beam will weaken it
somewhat even if there is a piece glued back into the notch.=C2- Picture
a floor beam and running a pipe through it, you wouldn't want to put a not
ch at the bottom of the beam as it effectively reduces the thickness (stren
gth) of the beam.=C2- There is still a lot of the stringer strip left onc
e it is blended in.
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Dan Loegering
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Spruce Strips |
| From: | "PoconoJohn2" <redroof(at)protonmail.com> |
Thank you Dan and Chris. Just a sanding then.
John C
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
still working on getting fabric on the tail feathers, I got the fabric on the rudder
shrunk. I was going to work on tapes then decided that 3 inch tapes would
work best for the edges on the rudder. I didn't have 3 inch taps so ordered
some. Then worked on getting fabric on the vertical fin.
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| Subject: | Re: engine choice |
| From: | "HaroldZimmer" <shery40(at)getnada.com> |
Micronics and all views have been piled for the help for all advantages for the
team. Element of the matrons and https://ca.bestessays.com/paper_writing_service.php
are accessed for the turns. Elevation is simple for the flow of the offers
for al guiles for the team.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
I put some of the tapes on the vertical fin and the rudder, still waiting on the
3 inch tapes for the edges. I also got the fabric on the horizontal stab. slowly
but surely getting some skin on the skeleton.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
Fabric work can be tedious but I am enjoying it as I get better at it. The fabric
on the horizontal stab. is shrunk and I glued the tapes to the ribs. I made
and glued some reinforcement patches on the gussets to the rudder as well. I'm
still waiting for the 3 inch tapes for the edges though.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Have you worked out a paint scheme for it yet?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
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A75 power, 72x36 Culver prop
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
I have a few thoughts on that, currently I am leaning towards a reddish purple
for the fuselage and a straw yellow like the wheels of a ford model A for the
wings.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Dan Helsper's Piet has a similar dark fuselage/light wings scheme.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
that is a good looking piet
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
after a busy couple of weeks i got to spend a good part of today in the shop. I
got a lot of the reinforcement patches on the horizontal stab. and did quite
a bit of edge taping. I think the vertical fin is ready for paint now
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
did some more tape work on the rudder and now it is ready for pain. I also did
some anti chafe taping on an elevator getting it ready to cover. I did learn two
things today though. 1. do not use the tip of your thumb to clean ecobond glue
off the blade of the scissors, and 2. you use the tip of your thumb a lot
when doing fabric work.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
still plugging away on getting the tail feathers covered, I got fabric on one of
the elevators and finished the reinforcement patches on the horizontal stab.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
still plugging away on getting the tail feathers covered, I got fabric on one of
the elevators and finished the reinforcement patches on the horizontal stab.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
more progress on the fabric work. covered the other elevator and did more tape
and reinforcement patching.
but the slit i cut for the control horn opened more when I shrunk the fabric. I
patched it but undecided if I want to leave it or start over. There is another
reinforcement patch that goes over that area and a tape so it may not be too
bad, but it is on the top of the elevator (of course) What would you all do?
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I think I would just apply a neat patch and keep moving.
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Medford, OR
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I covered all my control cable slits with a leather patch after I finish painting.
Covers mistakes and makes the slip more durable.
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet
> From: "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com>
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> more progress on the fabric work. covered the other elevator and did more tape
> and reinforcement patching.
> but the slit i cut for the control horn opened more when I shrunk the fabric.
I
> patched it but undecided if I want to leave it or start over. There is another
> reinforcement patch that goes over that area and a tape so it may not be too
> bad, but it is on the top of the elevator (of course) What would you all do?
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet
> From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
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> I think I would just apply a neat patch and keep moving.
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> Medford, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
I went ahead and put the tapes and patches on. It isn't too bad, I really wish
it had been on the bottom instead of the top though. But it is an amateur fabric
job and since it is my first attempt at doing it it isn't half bad looking.
I may leave it for now and see how much fabric and ecobond I have left when the
job is complete do decide if i want to redo it or not.
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You do understand that nobody in their right mind is going to click on a random
link without at least some small explanation as to what it is, right?
Or maybe it is just that you are looking for those who aren't in their right minds.
It maybe that I answered my own question.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
I worked on getting the right aileron prepped for fabric
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
Braved the heat and put the fabric on my right aileron. That was harder then I
thought it would be, but I think it will turn out ok after it is shrunk and the
tapes are put on.
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
I shrunk the fabric on my aileron and did some of the tapes, It isn't perfect but
certainly airworthy and I think when all the reinforcement patches and tapes
are on it should look pretty good.
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| From: | JIM & ARLENE BOYER <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
It looks good; the last one will be prefect, but they will all fly well! Cheers,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
The tapes are finished on the ailerons and they are ready for painting now.
next up I will try to tackle one of the wings.
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| Subject: | Re: fuel line thread sealant EZ Turn |
| From: | "Gerald Cruz" <excellentdigitizing(at)yandex.com> |
nice post, keep up with this interesting work. It really is good to know that this
topic is being covered also on this web site so cheers for taking time to
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| Subject: | Re: fuel line thread sealant EZ Turn |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
A Couple of years ago, our local Loctite Rep held a Lunch n Learn and discussed
all of their products. One in particular was of interest for fuel systems.
The product is thread sealer #567, and it is good for all fuels including avgas.
This sealer doesnt completely harden so fittings may be remove if need be.i Ive
already used it on dozens of applications and its nice to work with.
Just my $0.02
TK
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| Subject: | Re: fuel line thread sealant EZ Turn |
| From: | "Gerald Cruz" <excellentdigitizing(at)yandex.com> |
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| Subject: | Re: Ragwing Ultra-Piet |
| From: | "cdlwingnut" <lee_chad(at)hotmail.com> |
sorry it has been a while since I've updated. I have been working off and on at
getting a wing covered. I used the method from the Stewart systems youtube page
and put felt on the leading edge then covered the bottom. It still has some
ironing to do on it.
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