RV-Archive.digest.vol-kl
March 25, 2001 - March 31, 2001
In a message dated 3/25/01 6:11:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
AV8TURDON(at)AOL.COM writes:
> Gentleman,
> If I may be so bold to interrupt and ask you for the web address of
> this Mr. Brennan so that I may look into getting a set of his wingtips. I
> would be very grateful to you all.
> Thank You
> Don
> RV6 N767DC
> O-360 C/S
>
>
Don,
I'm not aware of a web site but their phone number is (805) 872-0847.
Rick McBride
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Walk dimple/countersink?? |
I think after 16,000 or so rivets in the Rocket you would think we've have
had enough, drill, debur, dinple etc but we just finished installing doors
in the tips for storage space. Yep! more drill, drbur & dimple. I would
estimate 4.3 labor tasks per rivet (not counting getting paint ready, or
re-do's) and we're not done yet. Hooking up controls and getting ready for
mounting tanks and then engine tests. If you think rivets are tough wait to
you fit and fiberglass the canopy and cowl. The grass always looks... you
know. HRII Rocket. See ya'll at Oshkosh. Gummibear & KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: <pincjt(at)ix.netcom.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: RV-List: Wing Walk dimple/countersink??
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| From: | Earl Fortner <e.fortner(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass 101 |
try a little retarder to slow the drying process
"Douglas G. Murray" wrote:
>
> Glen -
>
> WOW - what colorful language to decribe fiberglass work :-))
>
> Go on down to your local autobody shop and get some epoxy body filler
> putty. It is very thin and almost runny. It mixes up just like bondo and
> will fill all the pin holes and imperfections very well. Sand it down with
> 400 - 600 wet & dry paper - do it wet - and then reprime and overcoat. I
> have found that even after priming there seem to be a few pinholes show up
> after I paint. I now spray on a light coat of paint and then fill the pin
> holes. It works great.
> Now if I could just figure out just how to stop the orange peel. I have
> a new Sharp Gravity HVLP gun and am regulated at the gun with 50# of
> filtered air but I am getting tired of sanding out the orange peel. I GOTTA
> be doing something wrong.
>
> Hope this helps
> Douglas G. Murray RV-6 C-GRPA
> Southern Alberta
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenn & Judi" <foxinsocks(at)mediaone.net>
> To: "rv-list"
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:02 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Fiberglass 101
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Okay, I have done all the underfilling, sanding, and fitting of the RV-6
> > tail fairing ($@#*%#) .
> > I have some cloth fibers exposed where I sanded and I also have multiple
> > pin-holes all over the surface of the fairing.
> > Now what? How do I get it ready for paint.
> >
> > -Glenn Gordon
> > N442E (reserved)
> >
> > See my paint sceme and panel pics at
> > http://people.ce.mediaone.net/foxinsocks/rv-6.html
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Team Rocket Wing Tips |
In a message dated 3/25/2001 4:08:18 PM Central Standard Time,
RICKRV6(at)AOL.COM writes:
> I can't comment further on Chris Wilcox's statement that the F-1 tips were
> made from an RV-6. I don't have the slightest idea. I do know that Mark
> Frederick told me face to face that the tips he sells are made for the F-1
> wing and that that airfoil is not the same as any of the RVs. In fact,
> Mark
> is the one who sold me the sheared tips I have on my airplane. I would
> suggest if anyone is concerned about the compatability of the F-1 tips for
> their RV then they should take up this discussion with Mark. He is a man
> of
> integrity and won't steer you wrong.
>
I didnt say the F1 tips were made from a RV6. I said he is making tips for
the RV6 on a RV6 mold. The F1 has a different airfoil then the the harmon
and the RV series of aircraft.
chris wilcox
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| From: | "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson(at)usjet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy Polish |
Don, Ed, Mark, others:
From Aircraft Spruce:
1.00 of 09-42600 SCRATCH OFF (SCRATCH REMOVER)
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
6A
------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------
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| From: | "Jerry Calvert" <rv6bldr(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | EI superclock/AT3000 encoder |
Have the EI Superclock with altitude reporting capabilites so it is required
to be tied into the altitude encoder inorder to function. The encoder must
be a non-strobe type. My AT3000 is not going to work because it is a strobe
type. So, now I am back in the market for a new encoder.
1) What is this strobe stuff on the encoder???
2) Anyone using the EI Superclock have suggestions for an encoder that will
work with it??
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
-6 fuselage/finish kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis /Fran Flamini" <flamini2(at)home.com> |
Has anyone hooked up their intercom to the Yaesu output jack? If so
which jack is it? Doesn't look like the normal ones i have seen.
Dennis and Fran
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vince Welch" <vwelch(at)knownet.net> |
| Subject: | Coming Out Of The Jig |
I should be ready to take my fuselage out of the jig shortly. Will
there be any reason for it to go back onto the jig or can I make some
room and get it out of my way?
Vince Welch
RV-8A Fuselage
Roaming Shores, Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
Anybody see a problem having an SL-40 as my only comm? I mentioned to some
people that that's what I was planning to use and I had a couple ask--"Is
that going to be your only comm?" From my research I don't see a problem
but---
Greg Tanner
RV-9A Empennage (completed)
SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Are Barstad" <abarstad(at)bconnex.net> |
| Subject: | EI superclock/AT3000 encoder |
I don't think it is the matter of your encoder being a 'strobe type'. Many
encoders are compatible with a strobe line from the transponder but the
transponder is the device which will use a strobe line or not. The encoder
strobe line should only be connected if you have an older transponder. Most
modern transponders don't use strobe-lines anymore. Which transponder do you
have?
Old transponders used to use a pulsed strobe for encoders. New models let's
the encoder 'see' Mode C data all the time. This is the kind of transponder
you need for the EI gauge.
If your transponder does not have a strobe enable line, then just connect
the strobe line on the encoder to ground.
Are
RV-8 Fuel Tanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Calvert
Sent: March 25, 2001 9:45 PM
Subject: RV-List: EI superclock/AT3000 encoder
Have the EI Superclock with altitude reporting capabilites so it is required
to be tied into the altitude encoder inorder to function. The encoder must
be a non-strobe type. My AT3000 is not going to work because it is a strobe
type. So, now I am back in the market for a new encoder.
1) What is this strobe stuff on the encoder???
2) Anyone using the EI Superclock have suggestions for an encoder that will
work with it??
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
-6 fuselage/finish kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Are Barstad" <abarstad(at)bconnex.net> |
That's entirely up to you Greg. Depending on where you want to go with your
RV, you don't need any radios at all. NORDO is not illegal everywhere. At
least one comm is probably a good idea though... I always carry my Icom
handheld NavCom in my flight bag with fresh batteries in case I have an
electrical failure. I think this will have to be sufficient in my own RV
also as I like to save weight, money and panel space.
Are
RV-8 Fuel Tanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Greg Tanner
Sent: March 25, 2001 10:25 PM
Subject: RV-List: comm
Anybody see a problem having an SL-40 as my only comm? I mentioned to some
people that that's what I was planning to use and I had a couple ask--"Is
that going to be your only comm?" From my research I don't see a problem
but---
Greg Tanner
RV-9A Empennage (completed)
SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Besing" <pbesing(at)rmi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass 101 |
Try to stay away from typical body fillers. I have an expert body person
helping me with my kit. He states that most fillers will shrink over time,
and fall out or crack. After you fill with epoxy or very strong
microballoons, the only filler you should use is a product called "Piranha
Putty" It won't shrink or crack over time. You can get it from an
automotive body/paint supplier. Beware of consumer related products. Also,
never fill anything over about 1/6" of an inch. If you have to make up more
than that, use more glass first.
Paul Besing
RV-6A (197AB) Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Finish Kit (Still)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn & Judi" <foxinsocks(at)mediaone.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:02 AM
Subject: RV-List: Fiberglass 101
>
> Hi,
>
> Okay, I have done all the underfilling, sanding, and fitting of the RV-6
> tail fairing ($@#*%#) .
> I have some cloth fibers exposed where I sanded and I also have multiple
> pin-holes all over the surface of the fairing.
> Now what? How do I get it ready for paint.
>
> -Glenn Gordon
> N442E (reserved)
>
> See my paint sceme and panel pics at
> http://people.ce.mediaone.net/foxinsocks/rv-6.html
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Besing" <pbesing(at)rmi.net> |
While using my Sharp HVLP gun and Sherwin Williams Sunfire Paint, I found
that by adding one more part of reducer than recommended virtually
eliminated orange peel. It allows the paint to flow better, thus
eliminating the orange peel. This is only with Sherwin Williams
paints..your milage may vary, but that's the idea anyway...test it out on
some scrap first.
Paul Besing
RV-6A (197AB) Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Finish Kit (Still)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Fortner" <e.fortner(at)worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass 101
>
> try a little retarder to slow the drying process
>
> "Douglas G. Murray" wrote:
>
> >
> > Glen -
> >
> > WOW - what colorful language to decribe fiberglass work :-))
> >
> > Go on down to your local autobody shop and get some epoxy body
filler
> > putty. It is very thin and almost runny. It mixes up just like bondo and
> > will fill all the pin holes and imperfections very well. Sand it down
with
> > 400 - 600 wet & dry paper - do it wet - and then reprime and overcoat.
I
> > have found that even after priming there seem to be a few pinholes show
up
> > after I paint. I now spray on a light coat of paint and then fill the
pin
> > holes. It works great.
> > Now if I could just figure out just how to stop the orange peel. I
have
> > a new Sharp Gravity HVLP gun and am regulated at the gun with 50# of
> > filtered air but I am getting tired of sanding out the orange peel. I
GOTTA
> > be doing something wrong.
> >
> > Hope this helps
> > Douglas G. Murray RV-6 C-GRPA
> > Southern Alberta
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Glenn & Judi" <foxinsocks(at)mediaone.net>
> > To: "rv-list"
> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:02 AM
> > Subject: RV-List: Fiberglass 101
> >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Okay, I have done all the underfilling, sanding, and fitting of the
RV-6
> > > tail fairing ($@#*%#) .
> > > I have some cloth fibers exposed where I sanded and I also have
multiple
> > > pin-holes all over the surface of the fairing.
> > > Now what? How do I get it ready for paint.
> > >
> > > -Glenn Gordon
> > > N442E (reserved)
> > >
> > > See my paint sceme and panel pics at
> > > http://people.ce.mediaone.net/foxinsocks/rv-6.html
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Besing" <pbesing(at)rmi.net> |
Maybe I got lucky, but I found that mine fit perfectly. They were
shipped to me in March, 1998. The only thing I had to do is trim the
flange down so that they would fit flush on the edge of the skin. I
just mounted my other one the other day, and it took me about 2 hours
and fit great. (That's only drilled and clecoed, though). Try putting
some large pieces of collapsable foam inside, and compress the wing tip
to fit on the wing. Like I said, perhaps I got lucky, but was very
happy with the fit.
Paul Besing
RV-6A (197AB) Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Finish Kit (Still)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Calvert" <rv6bldr(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EI superclock/AT3000 encoder |
I have a Bendix King 76A Transponder. It's new, but several years since
manufacture. The AT3000 was made by Trimble, who has gone out of business.
The encoder has a pinout for strobe. The avionics wiring harness was done
by a radio shop. I will have to check the harness and see if the strobe pin
is grounded or used with the transponder strobe.
Thanks for the good information,
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
-6 fuselage/finish kit
----- Original Message -----
From: Are Barstad <abarstad(at)bconnex.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 9:48 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: EI superclock/AT3000 encoder
>
> I don't think it is the matter of your encoder being a 'strobe type'. Many
> encoders are compatible with a strobe line from the transponder but the
> transponder is the device which will use a strobe line or not. The encoder
> strobe line should only be connected if you have an older transponder.
Most
> modern transponders don't use strobe-lines anymore. Which transponder do
you
> have?
>
> Old transponders used to use a pulsed strobe for encoders. New models
let's
> the encoder 'see' Mode C data all the time. This is the kind of
transponder
> you need for the EI gauge.
>
> If your transponder does not have a strobe enable line, then just connect
> the strobe line on the encoder to ground.
>
> Are
> RV-8 Fuel Tanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Calvert
> Sent: March 25, 2001 9:45 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: EI superclock/AT3000 encoder
>
>
> Have the EI Superclock with altitude reporting capabilites so it is
required
> to be tied into the altitude encoder inorder to function. The encoder
must
> be a non-strobe type. My AT3000 is not going to work because it is a
strobe
> type. So, now I am back in the market for a new encoder.
>
> 1) What is this strobe stuff on the encoder???
> 2) Anyone using the EI Superclock have suggestions for an encoder that
will
> work with it??
>
> Jerry Calvert
> Edmond Ok
> -6 fuselage/finish kit
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Are Barstad" <abarstad(at)bconnex.net> |
| Subject: | EI superclock/AT3000 encoder |
You should be ok then. Of course, do your own due dilligence but I think you
have to go back as far as to the King KXP-750 for a transponder that uses
strobe pulses. Your encoder _will_ have a pin-out for a strobe but with any
luck, your transponder won't.
Are
RV-8 Fuel Tanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Calvert
Sent: March 25, 2001 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: EI superclock/AT3000 encoder
I have a Bendix King 76A Transponder. It's new, but several years since
manufacture. The AT3000 was made by Trimble, who has gone out of business.
The encoder has a pinout for strobe. The avionics wiring harness was done
by a radio shop. I will have to check the harness and see if the strobe pin
is grounded or used with the transponder strobe.
Thanks for the good information,
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
-6 fuselage/finish kit
----- Original Message -----
From: Are Barstad <abarstad(at)bconnex.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 9:48 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: EI superclock/AT3000 encoder
>
> I don't think it is the matter of your encoder being a 'strobe type'. Many
> encoders are compatible with a strobe line from the transponder but the
> transponder is the device which will use a strobe line or not. The encoder
> strobe line should only be connected if you have an older transponder.
Most
> modern transponders don't use strobe-lines anymore. Which transponder do
you
> have?
>
> Old transponders used to use a pulsed strobe for encoders. New models
let's
> the encoder 'see' Mode C data all the time. This is the kind of
transponder
> you need for the EI gauge.
>
> If your transponder does not have a strobe enable line, then just connect
> the strobe line on the encoder to ground.
>
> Are
> RV-8 Fuel Tanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Calvert
> Sent: March 25, 2001 9:45 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: EI superclock/AT3000 encoder
>
>
> Have the EI Superclock with altitude reporting capabilites so it is
required
> to be tied into the altitude encoder inorder to function. The encoder
must
> be a non-strobe type. My AT3000 is not going to work because it is a
strobe
> type. So, now I am back in the market for a new encoder.
>
> 1) What is this strobe stuff on the encoder???
> 2) Anyone using the EI Superclock have suggestions for an encoder that
will
> work with it??
>
> Jerry Calvert
> Edmond Ok
> -6 fuselage/finish kit
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tim Bryan" <timbryan(at)oregontrail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass 101 |
Hi Doug,
Orange peel is usually cause by either too high of air pressure or paint not
thinned enough.
Tim Bryan
RV-6 finish kit
timbryan(at)oregontrail.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas G. Murray" <dgmurray(at)telusplanet.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass 101
>
> Glen -
>
> WOW - what colorful language to decribe fiberglass work :-))
>
> Go on down to your local autobody shop and get some epoxy body filler
> putty. It is very thin and almost runny. It mixes up just like bondo and
> will fill all the pin holes and imperfections very well. Sand it down with
> 400 - 600 wet & dry paper - do it wet - and then reprime and overcoat. I
> have found that even after priming there seem to be a few pinholes show up
> after I paint. I now spray on a light coat of paint and then fill the pin
> holes. It works great.
> Now if I could just figure out just how to stop the orange peel. I
have
> a new Sharp Gravity HVLP gun and am regulated at the gun with 50# of
> filtered air but I am getting tired of sanding out the orange peel. I
GOTTA
> be doing something wrong.
>
> Hope this helps
> Douglas G. Murray RV-6 C-GRPA
> Southern Alberta
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenn & Judi" <foxinsocks(at)mediaone.net>
> To: "rv-list"
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:02 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Fiberglass 101
>
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Okay, I have done all the underfilling, sanding, and fitting of the RV-6
> > tail fairing ($@#*%#) .
> > I have some cloth fibers exposed where I sanded and I also have multiple
> > pin-holes all over the surface of the fairing.
> > Now what? How do I get it ready for paint.
> >
> > -Glenn Gordon
> > N442E (reserved)
> >
> > See my paint sceme and panel pics at
> > http://people.ce.mediaone.net/foxinsocks/rv-6.html
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Norman Hunger" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | CD Player Audio PAnel |
I was reading the latest Plane and Pilot and saw an ad for the PS
Engineering CD player. It's a little big, but check it out for yourself at:
http://www.ps-engineering.com/
Regards,
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stig Holm" <stig.holm(at)telia.com> |
| Subject: | Throttle quadrants |
What I have is actually a Cherokee throttle quadrant salvaged from a wreck. Anyway,
by increasing the center console from 2" to 3" this quadrant will fit. The
toughest part is to fabricate a structure for the cable brackets but I think
I will have a solution within a month or so.....
----- Original Message -----
From: <Knicholas2(at)AOL.COM>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Throttle quadrants
>
> In a message dated 3/22/2001 9:43:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> stig.holm(at)telia.com writes:
>
> << Anybody having any experience with installing the Cherokee-type throttle
> quadrant in the -6 (center installation)? >>
>
>
> I have been exchanging e-mail with the owner of DJM Mfg. (He has an ad in
> the Van's Airforce World Wide Wing web page). He expects to market a
> quadrant for center installation RV's sometime this month. I want one for my
> RV9. He told to me to just monitor his web page. HREF="http://www.metronet.com/~dreeves/djm/djmmfg.htm">Click here: DJM Mfg.
>
>
> Kim Nicholas
> RV9 finishing wings.
> Seattle
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Louis Willig <larywil(at)home.com> |
>
>Anybody see a problem having an SL-40 as my only comm? I mentioned to some
>people that that's what I was planning to use and I had a couple ask--"Is
>that going to be your only comm?" From my research I don't see a problem
>but---
Greg,
I have an SL-40 and it is the best com I ever had. Why would you need a
second com, other than a hand-held? There are some inexpensive hand-helds
coms with VOR capability around that make a good emergency back-up. If I go
on a long trip, I take mine along. Otherwise, I have great confidence in
the SL-40. By the way, if you need to install a transponder, the Garmin 327
push button is the way to go. I had both of these installed professionally
after purchasing my RV-4.
Please note, that I picked up my RV-4 in Idaho and ferried it Philadelphia
in 11/2 days, with nothing but my hand-held. The weather was good and I had
all my charts, but my brand new GPS crapped out after 1 hour. The 10 year
old Sporty's hand held com with its junky VOR saved the bacon for me. I
always knew where I was until I got to within 70 miles of Philadelphia.
Whereupon, I got lost in low overcast and actually busted the Philadelphia
Class B airspace. I was embarrassed, but they never saw me.
Louis
Louis I. Willig
larywil(at)home.com
RV-4, N180PF, 70 hrs. and climbing fast
I0-360, Hartzell C/S
(610) 668-4964
Penn Valley, PA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pat Perry" <pperryrv(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Wings install question |
I just fit my RV-4 wings to the fuselage, they went on perfect, everything
lined up just right and incedence angle only required a slight 1/16" nudge
to get right on the money. The only thing that doesn't make sense is the
verticle alignment of the rear spar tab to the fuselage attach point, the
drawings show this lining up close to even across the bottom of the tab and
the fuselage attach bracket. Mine lines up with the bottom of the wing tab
3/16"-1/4" up from the bottom of the attach bracket on the fuselage. The
bottom skin of the fuseleage also doesn't lay against the wing, it has to be
pushed up a 1/4" to contact the wing bottom skin.
Is this normal or did I goof something up?
Pat Perry
Dallas, PA
RV-4 N154PK Everything done, All parts painted, Final fitting of the wings
in progress.
________________________________________________________________________________
I tried this with PPG Concept based on Paul's experience which I found in
the archives... made no perceptible difference when tested under controlled
conditions. Indeed, it seems to depend on the product you're using.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, #80500, finishing details
www.rv-8.com
> While using my Sharp HVLP gun and Sherwin Williams Sunfire Paint, I found
> that by adding one more part of reducer than recommended virtually
> eliminated orange peel. It allows the paint to flow better, thus
> eliminating the orange peel. This is only with Sherwin Williams
> paints..your milage may vary, but that's the idea anyway...test it out on
> some scrap first.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A (197AB) Arizona
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Finish Kit (Still)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Earl Fortner" <e.fortner(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 4:53 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Fiberglass 101
>
>
> >
> > try a little retarder to slow the drying process
> >
> > "Douglas G. Murray" wrote:
> >
>
> > >
> > > Glen -
> > >
> > > WOW - what colorful language to decribe fiberglass work :-))
> > >
> > > Go on down to your local autobody shop and get some epoxy body
> filler
> > > putty. It is very thin and almost runny. It mixes up just like bondo
and
> > > will fill all the pin holes and imperfections very well. Sand it down
> with
> > > 400 - 600 wet & dry paper - do it wet - and then reprime and overcoat.
> I
> > > have found that even after priming there seem to be a few pinholes
show
> up
> > > after I paint. I now spray on a light coat of paint and then fill the
> pin
> > > holes. It works great.
> > > Now if I could just figure out just how to stop the orange peel. I
> have
> > > a new Sharp Gravity HVLP gun and am regulated at the gun with 50# of
> > > filtered air but I am getting tired of sanding out the orange peel. I
> GOTTA
> > > be doing something wrong.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps
> > > Douglas G. Murray RV-6 C-GRPA
> > > Southern Alberta
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Glenn & Judi" <foxinsocks(at)mediaone.net>
> > > To: "rv-list"
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 10:02 AM
> > > Subject: RV-List: Fiberglass 101
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Okay, I have done all the underfilling, sanding, and fitting of the
> RV-6
> > > > tail fairing ($@#*%#) .
> > > > I have some cloth fibers exposed where I sanded and I also have
> multiple
> > > > pin-holes all over the surface of the fairing.
> > > > Now what? How do I get it ready for paint.
> > > >
> > > > -Glenn Gordon
> > > > N442E (reserved)
> > > >
> > > > See my paint sceme and panel pics at
> > > > http://people.ce.mediaone.net/foxinsocks/rv-6.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
Increased orange peel is inherent with an HVLP gun. You get more product on
the surface but less atomization. Takes more elbow grease to make it smooth.
Greg Tanner
RV-9A Empennage
SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy Lervold
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Orange Peel
I tried this with PPG Concept based on Paul's experience which I found in
the archives... made no perceptible difference when tested under controlled
conditions. Indeed, it seems to depend on the product you're using.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, #80500, finishing details
www.rv-8.com
> While using my Sharp HVLP gun and Sherwin Williams Sunfire Paint, I found
> that by adding one more part of reducer than recommended virtually
> eliminated orange peel. It allows the paint to flow better, thus
> eliminating the orange peel. This is only with Sherwin Williams
> paints..your milage may vary, but that's the idea anyway...test it out on
> some scrap first.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A (197AB) Arizona
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Harrill <KHarrill(at)osa.state.sc.us> |
Greg,
I am using the SL-40. My backup radio will be a handheld. The SL-40
functions like two radios (actually better) without the need for an audio
panel. This approach saves panel space and eliminates another component (the
audio panel) that could fail. I will be able to connect the hand held to the
aircraft antenna in the event of a comm failure.
Ken Harrill
RV-6, electrical
Anybody see a problem having an SL-40 as my only comm? I mentioned to some
people that that's what I was planning to use and I had a couple ask--"Is
that going to be your only comm?" From my research I don't see a problem
but---
Greg Tanner
RV-9A Empennage (completed)
SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Brick" <jbrick(at)wolfenet.com> |
| Subject: | Wings install question |
I had a similar situation. I gave priority to centering the wing rear spar
tab in the fuselage attach bracket. This required a pretty good push down on
the left wing, but none on the right. The difference in incidence between
the wings was maybe a tenth of a degree measured at multiple locations
across the span. Can't recall the actual incidence but that also was close
also. I had to joggle the lower flap skin a little which seems pretty
common.
jb
RV-4 Fairings
Graham, WA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pat Perry
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:36 AM
Subject: RV-List: Wings install question
I just fit my RV-4 wings to the fuselage, they went on perfect, everything
lined up just right and incedence angle only required a slight 1/16" nudge
to get right on the money. The only thing that doesn't make sense is the
verticle alignment of the rear spar tab to the fuselage attach point, the
drawings show this lining up close to even across the bottom of the tab and
the fuselage attach bracket. Mine lines up with the bottom of the wing tab
3/16"-1/4" up from the bottom of the attach bracket on the fuselage. The
bottom skin of the fuseleage also doesn't lay against the wing, it has to be
pushed up a 1/4" to contact the wing bottom skin.
Is this normal or did I goof something up?
Pat Perry
Dallas, PA
RV-4 N154PK Everything done, All parts painted, Final fitting of the wings
in progress.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mark Schrimmer <mschrimmer(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | RV-9A flap leading edge skin/pop rivet problem |
Fellow 9A builders,
How do you put the pop rivets in on the bottom of the flap leading edge skin
next to the hinges? My pop rivet puller is too short and too wide to fit
next to the hinges.
Thanks,
Mark Schrimmer
Irvine, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric.J.Henson(at)chase.com |
03/26/2001 01:03:38 PM
Changing to a smaller orafice/needle can make a difference as well. A local
custom auto painter who specializes is show cars told me with the new PPG
poly's you really need to break up those molecules. He said to slow down
and use the smaller needle. Also, keep in mind that the new paints continue
to flow for months. When this guy painted my buddys RV I was a little
suprised to see a moderate amount of orange peel. Three months later the
orange peel was almost gone. Its been almost six months now and it looks
wet sanded. This is just my personal opinion, but if you are painting a
poly, the coat that comes off the gun would be left untouched for at least
3 months before I did anything to it. No facts here, just an opinion.
Eric Henson
"Greg Tanner" (at)matronics.com on 03/26/2001 11:47:13
AM
Please respond to rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
cc:
Subject: RE: RV-List: Orange Peel
Increased orange peel is inherent with an HVLP gun. You get more product on
the surface but less atomization. Takes more elbow grease to make it
smooth.
Greg Tanner
RV-9A Empennage
SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy Lervold
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Orange Peel
I tried this with PPG Concept based on Paul's experience which I found in
the archives... made no perceptible difference when tested under controlled
conditions. Indeed, it seems to depend on the product you're using.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, #80500, finishing details
www.rv-8.com
> While using my Sharp HVLP gun and Sherwin Williams Sunfire Paint, I found
> that by adding one more part of reducer than recommended virtually
> eliminated orange peel. It allows the paint to flow better, thus
> eliminating the orange peel. This is only with Sherwin Williams
> paints..your milage may vary, but that's the idea anyway...test it out on
> some scrap first.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A (197AB) Arizona
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Lycoming Fuel pump |
| From: | "Bruce Uvanni" <buvanni(at)us.ibm.com> |
03/26/2001 01:21:31 PM
Any one on the list that's upgrading to fuel injection that
would have a Lycoming LW15472 fuel pump for sale.
BRUCE UVANNI
RV6A FWF
BUVANNI(at)US.IBM.COM
PHONE: (802) 769-2822
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Im7shannon(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: RV-9A flap leading edge skin/pop rivet problem |
In a message dated 3/26/01 10:05:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mschrimmer(at)pacbell.net writes:
> Fellow 9A builders,
>
> How do you put the pop rivets in on the bottom of the flap leading edge
skin
> next to the hinges? My pop rivet puller is too short and too wide to fit
> next to the hinges.
Mark.
I just ground mine off until it fit, I used an inexpensive Stanley rivet
puller
Kevin -9A FWF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Sun&Fun Plant City |
We are bound for Sun&Fun, weather permitting. We decided to base the plane
at Plant City Municipal, PCM, instead of Lakeland for several reasons.
1) Plant City is much closer than Winterhaven, the other option. Driving
from Plant City is much faster because it is closer and you don't have to
fight traffic through Lakeland (just near the airport!)
2) Our hotel accommodations are in Plant City
3) Doris at PCM is one-stop shopping for all your needs: Parking, Rental
Car, Motel.
4) The past couple of years have been really dusty at Lakeland -- I saw Rvs
last year with 1/16 inch (or so it seemed) of dirt on them after just a
couple of days
5) I do not like the policy that you cannot taxi from the parking area to
the taxiways. There are always lots of people around to help, but I don't
like my plane being pulled a couple of hundred yards by the prop.
I am sorry that my plane won't be on display, although it is hardly
showplane material -- it's not even painted yet. But it would be nice to
talk to other builders and show them my ideas. Maybe some other flyin (but
not OSH).
Dennis Persyk N600DP
Hampshire, IL 68IS (C38)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Sun&Fun Plant City |
dennis
when you get to plant city, look up Lee Omernick, he has a rv6 about ready to
fly, and he has a neat little loving love ( baby corsair )
have a good flight down here
scott
tampa
rv6a redoing that
%#$&@ woodgrain panel again for the 5 th time
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Karl Schilling" <k_schilling(at)iquest.net> |
| Subject: | Powerflow Exhaust |
I have talked to them in the past. They said if there was enough interest
they would look into it. It's kind of ugly looking though. Also kind of
pricy. Perhaps if they work it out for RV'S that aren't certified the cost
would come down. Karl
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary A. Sobek" <rv6flier(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Yaesu handheld |
--- Dennis /Fran Flamini wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone hooked up their intercom to the Yaesu output jack? If so
> which jack is it? Doesn't look like the normal ones i have seen.
> Dennis and Fran
>
Dennis:
I purchased Trish a Yaesu for Christmas. It came with a headset
adapter cable plug. I have a headphone plug on a cable wired into my
KX-125 aux audio input. (Would be the same as an intercom input.)
This plugs in directly into my 13 year old Ten-Tec handheld (comm 2).
The headphone plug on this cable (when the Ten-Tec is not hooked up)
plugs into Trish's Yaesu to make it comm 2. It works great.
I am using the "standard Aviation" headset plugs with the Yaesu
adapter. If you want to do away with the adapter, you will need to
"Reverse Engineer" the Yaesu adapter. I would use an aviation plug
plugged into the Yaesu adapter then an Ohm meter to determine the area
on the plug that it goes to.
If you did not get this adapter cable with the Yaesu radio, you can
purchase one from the Avionics (http://www.avionicswest.com) shop at
Santa Maria. (I purchased an extra one last week.) They are an AvWEB
supporter and have given me excellent service.
====
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
778+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.tripod.com
Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VM1000 Fuel Functions |
Thats funny. I have my fuel flow transducer mounted between the injector
and the flow divider. I just managed to get a four inch straight shot from
the injector to the trnasducer with a 90 degree on the outflow side going
diretly up to the flow divider. Mine reads that it burns about 4-5% more
than it actually does. From what I get and what you guys are saying I am
thinking it may be individual component differences. I'll be curious to see
what you get, Terry.
Mike Robertson
RV-8A
>From: "Terry Burch" <rv6man(at)earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: RV-List: VM1000 Fuel Functions
>Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:22:33 -0500
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net>
>To: "rv-list"
>Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:45 PM
>Subject: RV-List: VM1000 Fuel Functions
>
>
>
> >
> > The VM1000 in my 6A exhibits two problems with the fuel functions:
> > 1) Fuel flow oscillates up and down about 1.5 gph.
> > 2) My calculated top-off quantity (38 - REM) is always 9% more than
> > actual -- the VM1000 says I've burned 9% more fuel than actual.
> >
>I have the same problem on my six except that mine is 9% the other way. It
>is fuel injected and the transducer is in the middle of the line to the
>spider.
>I have a theory. What fittings are you using going into the transducer? I
>have a bushing in the into the transducer and a nipple in that. I have
>wondered
>if this disruption in the flow is the cause. I will change and report
>back.TerryB.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: tail wheel spring corrosion protection |
Kevin,
If the outer parts are already painted, I would recommend a little LPS-3 for
corrosion protection. I have used that stuff here in Hawaii on things that
are notorious rust items with great success.
Mike Robertson
RV-8A
>From: Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: tail wheel spring corrosion protection
>Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:07:53 -0500
>
>
>I'm ready to permanently install my tail wheel spring. It is very
>nice fit in the socket. The socket and the portion of the spring
>that goes in it are just bare steel. There is no way the spring is
>going to fit in the socket if I prime them. If I try to remove some
>material from the spring to allow a coat of primer, I risk getting a
>sloppy fit. The parts of the spring that stick out in the breeze are
>painted.
>
>So, will I be OK if I just slap a bunch of grease or never-seize in
>there and bolt it together as is (bare metal), or will I have a
>corrosion problem? Any recommendations on what I should use? Any
>particular type of grease? Never-seize?
>
>I guess I should plan at pulling the tail spring off annually to
>inspect for corrosion and renew the grease or never-seize. The
>aircraft will be hangared, and I don't live near the ocean. Comments?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kevin Horton RV-8 (installing wheel pants)
>Ottawa, Canada
>http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/rv8.html
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Norman, MD" <jnorman(at)InterMapSystems.com> |
| Subject: | Sun&Fun Plant City |
Dennis, et al,
Make sure you get driving directions from Plant City Airport to Sun N Fun
which do NOT take you on I-4. There are some back roads. Get these from your
"one stop" Doris. Avoid I-4 if you can, the traffic going this way may take
you over an hour...once you get off of the interstate. All of us Tampa
people (Tampons?) know this... but sorry, I don't know the names of the back
roads.
jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Persyk
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:18 PM
Subject: RV-List: Sun&Fun Plant City
We are bound for Sun&Fun, weather permitting. We decided to base the plane
at Plant City Municipal, PCM, instead of Lakeland for several reasons.
1) Plant City is much closer than Winterhaven, the other option. Driving
from Plant City is much faster because it is closer and you don't have to
fight traffic through Lakeland (just near the airport!)
2) Our hotel accommodations are in Plant City
3) Doris at PCM is one-stop shopping for all your needs: Parking, Rental
Car, Motel.
4) The past couple of years have been really dusty at Lakeland -- I saw Rvs
last year with 1/16 inch (or so it seemed) of dirt on them after just a
couple of days
5) I do not like the policy that you cannot taxi from the parking area to
the taxiways. There are always lots of people around to help, but I don't
like my plane being pulled a couple of hundred yards by the prop.
I am sorry that my plane won't be on display, although it is hardly
showplane material -- it's not even painted yet. But it would be nice to
talk to other builders and show them my ideas. Maybe some other flyin (but
not OSH).
Dennis Persyk N600DP
Hampshire, IL 68IS (C38)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill VonDane" <n8vd(at)earthlink.net> |
"Rv-List(at)Matronics.Com"
I just got off the phone with Tom at Van's about the new sheared wing tips
on the RV-7...
He said they were designed by Van, and are available with or without
provisions for lights (a recess for the light and a lens).
They are available now, he said if I ordered today, I could have them in
about 10 days.
Part numbers and prices without lighting provisions: $127 each
W-715-W left
W-715-W right
Part numbers and prices with lighting provisions: $131 each
W-715-W/light left
W-715-W/light right
Bill VonDane, Colorado Springs, CO
RV-8A, N8VD, Fuselage
http://vondane.com/rv8a/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Senders... |
Kurt,
The wires should snap into the plastic arms on the sending units and not
move within the plastic arm itself, but the plastic arms with the "wiper"
should rotate very easily. If you are talking about the float on the wire
rotating easily then as long as the float does not come off the wire, then
the rotation isn't anything to worry about.
There is definitely a left and right unit. If I remember correctly it is
marked there somewhere. When installed in the tank the sending unit should
point slightly down. That gives the floats the maximum rotation angle.
During calibration you might need to bend the wires a little to get the
exact right angle for that unit so don't get too caught up in the 90 degree
angles right now. Just get the ends close.
Hope this helps.
Mike Robertson
RV-8A
>From: KAKlewin(at)AOL.COM
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Fuel Senders...
>Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:27:43 EST
>
>
>More Help Needed from Okie Land...
>
> Working on my Stewart Warner Fuel Senders (Float type), and made the
>required bends and lengths (for left and right sides), per the included
>instructions. My first question is that the wire/float portion fits very
>snugly in the sender unit (If you pull on it), but it "twirls" around
>rather
>easily. Is it made to do this to compensate for some type of aircraft
>movement or installation reason? I seems that it would flop around a lot?
>Should I use a dab of proseal to keep it rigid??
>
> Second question is my senders are 385C and 385B....Im thinking there
>is
>some type of difference here....maybe right and left?? Cant find much in
>the
>instructions about this. Also, when they are mounted in the access port
>should the sender portion that sticks in the tank be exactly perpendicular
>to
>the bottom of the tank??
>
> Thanks for all of your help....
>
> Kurt in OKC, building the worlds slowest built quickbuild.....
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass 101 |
Glenn,
FWIW you may want to spray a primer coat over them to see just how many
pinholes and fiberglass threads are exposed. After priming, I sanded mine
down with wet 220, and once I identified the pin holes, and such, I got out
the extra fine cream filler, filled the holes and sanded, primed, and wet
sanded again until I could not find any more pin holes.
Mike Robertson
RV-8A
>From: "Glenn & Judi" <foxinsocks(at)mediaone.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "rv-list"
>Subject: RV-List: Fiberglass 101
>Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:02:41 -0600
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Okay, I have done all the underfilling, sanding, and fitting of the RV-6
>tail fairing ($@#*%#) .
>I have some cloth fibers exposed where I sanded and I also have multiple
>pin-holes all over the surface of the fairing.
>Now what? How do I get it ready for paint.
>
>-Glenn Gordon
>N442E (reserved)
>
>See my paint sceme and panel pics at
>http://people.ce.mediaone.net/foxinsocks/rv-6.html
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Are Barstad" <abarstad(at)bconnex.net> |
Did Tom reveal what type of tip lights they were made for? Would it be the
Airtech by chance?
Are
RV-8 Fuel Tanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
Sent: March 26, 2001 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Van's Wing Tips
I just got off the phone with Tom at Van's about the new sheared wing tips
on the RV-7...
He said they were designed by Van, and are available with or without
provisions for lights (a recess for the light and a lens).
They are available now, he said if I ordered today, I could have them in
about 10 days.
Part numbers and prices without lighting provisions: $127 each
W-715-W left
W-715-W right
Part numbers and prices with lighting provisions: $131 each
W-715-W/light left
W-715-W/light right
Bill VonDane, Colorado Springs, CO
RV-8A, N8VD, Fuselage
http://vondane.com/rv8a/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Gunn" <ggunn(at)uswest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Senders... |
Kurt,
You have to make a small 90% bend on the end of the wire that goes down inside
the hole in the
plastic piece and then snaps into the holders.
Gary Gunn
RV-6
Finishing wings.
>
>
> >From: KAKlewin(at)AOL.COM
> >Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: RV-List: Fuel Senders...
> >Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:27:43 EST
> >
> >
> >More Help Needed from Okie Land...
> >
> > Working on my Stewart Warner Fuel Senders (Float type), and made the
> >required bends and lengths (for left and right sides), per the included
> >instructions. My first question is that the wire/float portion fits very
> >snugly in the sender unit (If you pull on it), but it "twirls" around
> >rather
> >easily. Is it made to do this to compensate for some type of aircraft
> >movement or installation reason? I seems that it would flop around a lot?
> >Should I use a dab of proseal to keep it rigid??
> >
> > Second question is my senders are 385C and 385B....Im thinking there
> >is
> >some type of difference here....maybe right and left?? Cant find much in
> >the
> >instructions about this. Also, when they are mounted in the access port
> >should the sender portion that sticks in the tank be exactly perpendicular
> >to
> >the bottom of the tank??
> >
> > Thanks for all of your help....
> >
> > Kurt in OKC, building the worlds slowest built quickbuild.....
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
If you plan on nothing but VFR then the SL40 is as good a choice as any
othere radio. There are lots of planes flying around with only 1 comm radio
installed.
Mike Robertson
RV-8A
>From: "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "Rv-List"
>Subject: RV-List: comm
>Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:25:27 -0800
>
>
>Anybody see a problem having an SL-40 as my only comm? I mentioned to some
>people that that's what I was planning to use and I had a couple ask--"Is
>that going to be your only comm?" From my research I don't see a problem
>but---
>
>Greg Tanner
>RV-9A Empennage (completed)
>SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Derrick L. Aubuchon" <n184da(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VM1000 Fuel Functions |
I have a VM1000 installed in my RV-4 which typically reads about
8-10% on the high side. Because of the small space available on the
4 firewall, it is very difficult to obtain the straight-run
recommended in the installation manual.
I personally know of another installation on a friends RV-6 which
also reads on the high side.
From what I have seen here on the RV-list, there appears to be a wide
range of results on individual aircraft.
What I would like to see,, and I have discussed this with a
representative of Vision Micro,, is some sort of "field adjustment,"
either hardware or software based that can compensate for these
installation errors. The response I received from the factory to
this suggestion was luke warm at best. I am no engineer but it seems
to me that it would be a simple matter to introduce a variable into
the algorithm which computed the value.
Perhaps there is some enterprising engineer type lurking on this list
that can provide us with a few ideas.
Derick l. Aubuchon
n184da(at)pacbell.net
RV-4 N184DA, 145 hours+++!!!
>
>Thats funny. I have my fuel flow transducer mounted between the injector
>and the flow divider. I just managed to get a four inch straight shot from
>the injector to the trnasducer with a 90 degree on the outflow side going
>diretly up to the flow divider. Mine reads that it burns about 4-5% more
>than it actually does. From what I get and what you guys are saying I am
>thinking it may be individual component differences. I'll be curious to see
>what you get, Terry.
>
>Mike Robertson
>RV-8A
>
>
>>From: "Terry Burch" <rv6man(at)earthlink.net>
>>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>>To:
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: VM1000 Fuel Functions
>>Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:22:33 -0500
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net>
>>To: "rv-list"
>>Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 12:45 PM
>>Subject: RV-List: VM1000 Fuel Functions
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > The VM1000 in my 6A exhibits two problems with the fuel functions:
>> > 1) Fuel flow oscillates up and down about 1.5 gph.
>> > 2) My calculated top-off quantity (38 - REM) is always 9% more than
>> > actual -- the VM1000 says I've burned 9% more fuel than actual.
>> >
>>I have the same problem on my six except that mine is 9% the other way. It
>>is fuel injected and the transducer is in the middle of the line to the
>>spider.
>>I have a theory. What fittings are you using going into the transducer? I
>>have a bushing in the into the transducer and a nipple in that. I have
>>wondered
>>if this disruption in the flow is the cause. I will change and report
>>back.TerryB.
> >
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JNice51355(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: 0320 E2A engine |
In a message dated 03/25/2001 3:54:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ebowhay(at)jetstream.net writes:
<< E2A >>
Eustace
How can this be an E2A?? The E2A is not constant speed ready and does not
have the high compression pistons.(as per my Piper Cherokee) I think it has
a solid crank.
Jim Nice
WA State
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Team Rocket Wing Tips |
In a message dated 3/25/01 3:11:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
AV8TURDON(at)AOL.COM writes:
>
> Gentleman,
> If I may be so bold to interrupt and ask you for the web address of
> this Mr. Brennan so that I may look into getting a set of his wingtips. I
> would be very grateful to you all.
> Thank You
> Don
> RV6 N767DC
> O-360 C/S
>
> Olie, George & Frank sold the business to Ken Massey not to long ago, Ken
> is putting out some nice wing tips that are in stock, his number is 661
> 392-0838
he also has a new web site, masseyaircraftservice.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scot Stambaugh <sstambaugh(at)qualcomm.com> |
There is no rule requiring 2 comms for IFR.
Scot Stambaugh
>
>If you plan on nothing but VFR then the SL40 is as good a choice as any
>othere radio. There are lots of planes flying around with only 1 comm radio
>installed.
>
>Mike Robertson
>RV-8A
>
>
> >From: "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com>
> >Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: "Rv-List"
> >Subject: RV-List: comm
> >Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:25:27 -0800
> >
> >
> >Anybody see a problem having an SL-40 as my only comm? I mentioned to some
> >people that that's what I was planning to use and I had a couple ask--"Is
> >that going to be your only comm?" From my research I don't see a problem
> >but---
> >
> >Greg Tanner
> >RV-9A Empennage (completed)
> >SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Imfairings(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Tail fairing 6A |
Tim,
Thanks, I'll be watching for the order.
Bob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Thomas Velvick <tomvelvick(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 0320 E2A engine |
>
>In a message dated 03/25/2001 3:54:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>ebowhay(at)jetstream.net writes:
>
><< E2A >>
>Eustace
>How can this be an E2A?? The E2A is not constant speed ready and does not
>have the high compression pistons.(as per my Piper Cherokee) I think it has
>a solid crank.
You can put HC pistons in a E2A if you want. It does have a hollow crank,
and it can be set up for a CS prop, at least my E2A can be.
Regards,
Tom Velvick
Peoria, AZ
N188KJ reserved rv-6a wiring
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Wentzell <wntzl(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: TKM MK11 Com |
Hello,
In 18 yrs of the Aviator there is an article on this particular
radio. Does any one have one of these installed? Are they still
available? I called Vans and they didn't know anything about it.
I am considering it, as well as MicroAir, and Becker Avionics also
has a similar small unit available.
Any knowledge or experience with any of these would be appreciated.
Thanks
David Wentzell - Racine, WI
RV6 Finish
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "chubbart" <chubbart(at)fastdata.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Team Rocket Wing Tips |
Hi gang,
couple questions:
1.
I have a fp cowling and am trying to figure out if the previous owner has
trimed it yet, does anyone know what the measurement is on an uncut one when
it's set on the floor an measured form the floor to the top of the prop
ring?
2.
I'm installing a 0-360A4A an am thinking of using a Senenich metal prop
72"X86"P, is anyone using this prop?
Thanks Clyde
chubbart(at)fastdata.net
----- Original Message -----
From: <MeangreenRV4(at)AOL.COM>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Team Rocket Wing Tips
>
> In a message dated 3/25/01 3:11:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> AV8TURDON(at)AOL.COM writes:
>
>
> >
> > Gentleman,
> > If I may be so bold to interrupt and ask you for the web address
of
> > this Mr. Brennan so that I may look into getting a set of his wingtips.
I
> > would be very grateful to you all.
> > Thank You
> > Don
> > RV6 N767DC
> > O-360 C/S
> >
> > Olie, George & Frank sold the business to Ken Massey not to long ago,
Ken
> > is putting out some nice wing tips that are in stock, his number is 661
> > 392-0838
>
> he also has a new web site, masseyaircraftservice.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KBoatri144(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Sun&Fun Plant City |
In a message dated 3/26/01 2:22:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net writes:
> 5) I do not like the policy that you cannot taxi from the parking area to
> the taxiways. There are always lots of people around to help, but I don't
> like my plane being pulled a couple of hundred yards by the prop.
Dennis (and others),
Where did you find this limitation? I've been to SNF for 7 years running,
and seem to remember all of the aircraft (display and otherwise) taxiing
directly to their parking areas and back to the taxiways. Did all of the
paint fumes addle my memory?
Kyle Boatright - Kennesaw, GA
RV-6 Slider, O-320/Aymar-Demuth
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Hurlbut" <shurlbut(at)island.net> |
I got an order form in the mail today.
Here are the proposed prices for the RV 7/7A
Empennage $1370
Wings $5175
Fuselage RV-7 $5500 (APPROXIMATE)
RV-7A $5000 (APPROX)
Finish RV-7 $4225 (APPROX)
RV-7A $5030 (APPROX)
New RV-7 in may hanger, priceless.
Steve Hurlbut
Comox, BC
shurlbut(at)island.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andy <winterland(at)rkymtnhi.com> |
| Subject: | Re: TKM MK11 Com |
David Wentzell wrote:
>
> Hello,
> In 18 yrs of the Aviator there is an article on this particular
> radio. Does any one have one of these installed? Are they still
> available?
I have one in my -6A with just over 100 hours on it. It completely failed
once, although the factory was quick to repair it at no cost even though
it was a couple months past its warranty.
Otherwise it suffers from occasional bouts of poor transmition and static
as reported by over pilots, and then seems to fix itself temporarily.
Other times, I've had difficulty reaching ATC people or had occasional
complaints from them about poor reception when I felt it should have been
easy communications. And then other times it seems to work fine.
Of course I don't know if these problems are with the radio, its wiring,
its antenna, or ATCs (+ flight service, etc) occasional inattentiveness.
Overall, I've grown to not have a lot of faith in it. For now I deal with
it because most of my flying is VFR and not around to many busy airports.
I would not depend on it in critical situations without a good backup
radio.
It's on my long list of things that will likely eventually be upgraded.
Of course, if its a wiring problem, it would be easier to deal with, but
how do you diagnose a problem that's not their when you are trying to fix
it? Hence, my distrust of the radio itself.
Andy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
FWIW, I asked one of the dealers at OSH last year about the Becker. He said
they were over priced, considering the marginal quality, thus he no longer
carried them. He had nothing but praise for the MicroAir, which, by the way
he happened to sell. The whole thing could have been BS, I don't know.
My current favorites are the MicroAir comm and xponder.
Larry Bowen
RV-8 fuse
Email: Larry(at)BowenAero.com
Web: http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Wentzell
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:46 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: TKM MK11 Com
>
>
> Hello,
> In 18 yrs of the Aviator there is an article on this particular
> radio. Does any one have one of these installed? Are they still
> available? I called Vans and they didn't know anything about it.
> I am considering it, as well as MicroAir, and Becker Avionics also
> has a similar small unit available.
> Any knowledge or experience with any of these would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> David Wentzell - Racine, WI
> RV6 Finish
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andy <winterland(at)rkymtnhi.com> |
| Subject: | VGs and the dark side |
I'm sitting on a box of Micro Aero VGs which I got for my -6A for doing
some work for the company and am debating whether to install them.
What appealed to me mostly about VGs was the lower stall speed and how
that might allow a lower off field landing speed in the event of a power
problem, especially here in the high country where TAS is typically 10-15
mph faster than IAS.
However in re-reading some of Van's articles on the Back Side of the Power
Curve I've become concerned that the power off sink rate at those lower
speeds which VGs allow may be so high as to be impractical and possibly
even unarrestable in a landing situation. In other words, it seems that
VGs will let you fly much slower, but only with enough engine power to
hold you up in the face of all that drag.
Any comments?
Andy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: TKM MK11 Com |
David Wentzell wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
> In 18 yrs of the Aviator there is an article on this particular
> radio. Does any one have one of these installed? Are they still
> available? I called Vans and they didn't know anything about it.
> I am considering it, as well as MicroAir, and Becker Avionics also
> has a similar small unit available.
> Any knowledge or experience with any of these would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> David Wentzell - Racine, WI
> RV6 Finish
I have a TKM MK11 in the panel of my RV-6 and really like the radio. The
decision to go with this comm was influenced by the reliable service of
a TKM in the Warrior in which I was a partner several years ago. By the
way, the MK11 in the Warrior is still going strong after ten years in
service.
I have been told that the transmitter in the TKM sounds as good or
better than the Kings and Terras that reside in the panels of my RV
flying partners. Granted, installations may vary, but the point is the
performance of the TKM has been very satisfactory in my plane.
During the initial installation of the radio in my panel, I thought I
had a problem with the audio section of the radio and returned the unit
to the factory. The problem was due to a brain infarction on my part and
not the radio, and the service tech at TKM was very prompt and
understanding. They checked to make sure all upgrades had been performed
on the radio and sent it back to me at no charge.
I have not checked a Trade-A-Plane lately to see if the radio is still
available, but I assume it is.
Sam Buchanan (RV-6, 145 hrs, ready for S-N-F!)
"The RV Journal" http://home.hiway.net/~sbuc/journal
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Burch" <rv6man(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 0320 E2A engine |
----- Original Message -----
From: <JNice51355(at)AOL.COM>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: 0320 E2A engine
>
> In a message dated 03/25/2001 3:54:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> ebowhay(at)jetstream.net writes:
>
> << E2A >>
> Eustace
> How can this be an E2A?? The E2A is not constant speed ready and does not
> have the high compression pistons.(as per my Piper Cherokee) I think it
has
> a solid crank.
> Jim Nice
> WA State
>
I have already put a CS on my E2A and the 160hp pistons.T Burch
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Burch" <rv6man(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VM1000 Fuel Functions |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: VM1000 Fuel Functions
From what I get and what you guys are saying I am
> thinking it may be individual component differences. I'll be curious to
see
> what you get, Terry.
>
> Mike Robertson
> RV-8A
>
>
I dont have a good answer, but I had my transducer calibrated by Floscan
and it was perfect. I think that it has to be turbulance. I have a real
straight shot
on my 6 both in and out. The only problem is that reducer going in.
I will change it and report.Terry B
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Burch" <rv6man(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VGs and the dark side |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy" <winterland(at)rkymtnhi.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: VGs and the dark side
>
> I'm sitting on a box of Micro Aero VGs which I got for my -6A for doing
> some work for the company and am debating whether to install them.
>
> What appealed to me mostly about VGs was the lower stall speed and how
> that might allow a lower off field landing speed in the event of a power
> problem, especially here in the high country where TAS is typically 10-15
> mph faster than IAS.
>
> However in re-reading some of Van's articles on the Back Side of the Power
> Curve I've become concerned that the power off sink rate at those lower
> speeds which VGs allow may be so high as to be impractical and possibly
> even unarrestable in a landing situation. In other words, it seems that
> VGs will let you fly much slower, but only with enough engine power to
> hold you up in the face of all that drag.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Andy
>
Andy, do you fly power off right at stall? It is no different than without
the vg's.
You are still going to glide at your min.sink speed. It is the flare to
touch down were
the Vg's shine. The RV has more than enough tail power to handle the extra
angle of attack.
It is still about how fast do the wheels touch down.TerryB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun&Fun Plant City |
I witnessed the no-taxi in the display area on departure myself last year
and personally helped pull a couple of RVs to the taxiway. Most of my RV
friends no longer park at Sun & Fun because of it. I'm told that one fellow
had a heart attack pulling his plane in the 85 degree heat at one Sun & Fun.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: KBoatri144(at)AOL.COM <KBoatri144(at)AOL.COM>
Date: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sun&Fun Plant City
>
>In a message dated 3/26/01 2:22:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net writes:
>
>
>> 5) I do not like the policy that you cannot taxi from the parking area to
>> the taxiways. There are always lots of people around to help, but I
don't
>> like my plane being pulled a couple of hundred yards by the prop.
>
>Dennis (and others),
>
>Where did you find this limitation? I've been to SNF for 7 years running,
>and seem to remember all of the aircraft (display and otherwise) taxiing
>directly to their parking areas and back to the taxiways. Did all of the
>paint fumes addle my memory?
>
>Kyle Boatright - Kennesaw, GA
>RV-6 Slider, O-320/Aymar-Demuth
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Bundy" <ebundy(at)micron.net> |
| Subject: | Re: TKM MK11 Com |
I've had one in my 6A for 5 years and 400+ hours. It is as strong and clear
(if not more so) as any radio I have ever used. This is also with the
copper foil windscreen antenna that some people don't like. The combination
works great for me.
Ed Bundy - RV6A N427EM 400+ hours
160hp 0320 w/Sensenich 70x78
ebundy(at)micron.net
> Hello,
> In 18 yrs of the Aviator there is an article on this particular
> radio. Does any one have one of these installed? Are they still
> available? I called Vans and they didn't know anything about it.
> I am considering it, as well as MicroAir, and Becker Avionics also
> has a similar small unit available.
> Any knowledge or experience with any of these would be appreciated.
> Thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harvey Sigmon" <flyhars(at)earthlink.net> |
Need help looking for KMA-20 Audio Panel wiring diagram, and a
connector. Thanks in advance.
Harvey Sigmon RV-6AQB - Waiting for FAA. Do not
archive
--- Harvey Sigmon
--- flyhars(at)earthlink.net
--- EarthLink: It's your Internet.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RobHickman(at)AOL.COM |
Listers,
After four long months of the paint job from hell I finally flew my RV-4
again last Friday night. The only thing better than flying it the first time
was flying it after four months. It was the perfect night here in Portland
warm, sunny, no wind and I greased the landing!
I have updated my web page with the new pictures:
http://hometown.aol.com/robhickman/index.html
I will try to get Randall to get some air to air photo's in the next week and
we can finally put an end to those rumors that his plane is faster. :)
Rob Hickman
(N401RH RV-4 Painted & Flying)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Mack" <don(at)dmack.net> |
| Subject: | Re: TKM MK11 Com |
I have a MicroAir in my Ercoupe. It works great. They are a hot ticket for
Coupes as they are one of the few radios that will fit in the 6.5" space
behind the panel. I plan on putting one in my 6A - one of these years.
Don Mack
www.dmack.net
RV-6A finishing
>
> Hello,
> In 18 yrs of the Aviator there is an article on this particular
> radio. Does any one have one of these installed? Are they still
> available? I called Vans and they didn't know anything about it.
> I am considering it, as well as MicroAir, and Becker Avionics also
> has a similar small unit available.
> Any knowledge or experience with any of these would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> David Wentzell - Racine, WI
> RV6 Finish
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Norman Hunger" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
> There is no rule requiring 2 comms for IFR.
There is in Canada and I suspect in many other countries. Canadian
homebuilders have only been permitted to fly IFR since April of 96. Before
then it was illegal. I also suspect that it still is in many countries.
The RV List is an international community.
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Cantrell <kcflyrv(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Hanging the engine--twice |
Guys,
I recently hung my 0-360 A1A on my RV6 with the help of my son and a
fellow RVer. All went flawlessly. One of the precautions I was told
about was to be sure and install the AN824D for the oil pressure line
before you hang the engine because you won't be able to if the engine is
mounted. There are 2 ports to choose from on my engine for the oil
pressure, (looks like an design improvement) one plug to the right and
the other facing back. I don't know why but I was under the impression
that the one facing the right side was the correct one to use, so I did.
With the engine mounted, there was just barely enough room to attach the
hose to the 824 fitting. Yesterday, I was putting Sealube on my fittings
and began attaching my engine hoses for the final time. The oil pressure
line gave me trouble. The upper right engine mount forces a bend in the
line and it felt like I had it started. I put a 9/!6" wrench on it and
began to tighten the flare fitting. After a reasonable time it wasn't
snugging up. I got my mirror and checked. OH NO! You guessed it -- cross
threaded! No matter what I did, I couldn't come up with an easy
solution. The only way I could get the damaged 823 fitting out was to
take the engine off the mount. I didn't want to do it but I made up my
mind and wanted to get beyond this problem quickly. Today, I rented an
engine hoist and got started. The job took about 2-3 hours. It is easier
the second time! I plugged the right port with the plug from the rear
port and installed a steel AN816 in the port facing back. The hose went
on without a hitch. I am a first time builder and last nights
disappointment was pretty bad but tonight I'm back on track. I just hope
this story can help other first timers avoid this kind of frustration.
Ken Cantrell
-fwf- N34KC reserved
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robert Blum <bob(at)theblums.net> |
any thoughts or recomendations and prices for a panel mount cd player to
be
mounted on panel of my rv6a? thanks Bob Blum
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Baldwin" <n728p(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Fluctuating fuel pressure |
I flew our RV-6 for the second time last week and everything seemed fine.
The plane handled great, and the engine ran fine ( an 0360 from Aero-Sport
with a fixed pitch Sensenich prop ). However , I noticed my fuel pressure
was fluctuating with the power settings. As I increased power the pressure
went from 4 lbs. down to just under 2 lbs.
As I backed off on the power the pressure came back up. Same reaction flying
on right tank and left tank, boost pump on or boost pump off. Decided to cut
the flight short and see if I could find the reason. So far I have checked
all lines ( no collapsed hoses or kinked lines ), checked fuel tank vents,
checked gascolator screen. Could a bad transducer cause the gauge to
fluctuate with engine rpm ? I am using a Vans gauge and transducer.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated .
Thanks,
Scott Baldwin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
>
>> There is no rule requiring 2 comms for IFR.
>
>There is in Canada and I suspect in many other countries. Canadian
>homebuilders have only been permitted to fly IFR since April of 96. Before
>then it was illegal. I also suspect that it still is in many countries.
>
>The RV List is an international community.
>
>Norman Hunger
>RV6A Delta BC
Time out - the Canadian requirements are for two independent nav
sources, but only one Com. If your single com fails, there are
prescribe communication fail procedures.
CAR 605.18 (i) and (j):
"(i) sufficient radiocommunication equipment to permit the pilot to
conduct two-way communications on the appropriate frequency; and
(j) sufficient radio navigation equipment to permit the pilot, in the
event of the failure at any stage of the flight of any item of that
equipment, including any associated flight instrument display,
(i) to proceed to the destination aerodrome or proceed to another
aerodrome that is suitable for landing, and
(ii) where the aircraft is operated in IMC, to complete an instrument
approach and, if necessary, conduct a missed approach procedure.
The CARs are available at:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/regserv/carac/CARS/html_e/doc/index.htm
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (installing wheel pants)
Ottawa, Canada
http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/rv8.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham(at)hotmail.com> |
Greg,
Our RV-8A will be be used for VFR initially, but have configured it for
eventual IFR. As such we chose the SL-40 - while a single Comm it is realy
like having 1 1/2 Comm with the monitoring function. We also plan to have a
hand held and will wire jacks to the intercom.
We have also reserver space on the panel for future installation of a
certified GPS/COMM when we go IFR.
Good Building,
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A (finishing f/g)
Niantic, CT
>
>
> >From: "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com>
> >Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: "Rv-List"
> >Subject: RV-List: comm
> >Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:25:27 -0800
> >
> >
> >Anybody see a problem having an SL-40 as my only comm? I mentioned to
>some
> >people that that's what I was planning to use and I had a couple ask--"Is
> >that going to be your only comm?" From my research I don't see a problem
> >but---
> >
> >Greg Tanner
> >RV-9A Empennage (completed)
> >SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
New paint dosn't continue to flow for months after painting.
Any paint will flow better when over reduced however you usually give up
gloss retention in the long run as the paint will haze. Most new paints
today with HVLP instruct you to apply your first coat of paint as you want it
to look when completed. Over reducing the paint will not let you apply the
full wet coats without the paint running. It is true paint seems to flatten
out after it has been on the plane awhile however this is from the air and
dust slip streaming over the paint. Its natures way of sanding and smoothing
out the peel. Many times if the peel or paint defects are too heavy it is
just as quick to sand smooth without cutting through the finish and recoat
the paint. You will not be applying so much paint to cover primer or sealer
and when recoating the paint flows out flat.
Bruce Voutas RV-8A fuselage
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: VGs and the dark side |
| From: | Eric.J.Henson(at)chase.com |
03/27/2001 08:12:33 AM
Those are my thoughts as well Andy. Those that have inadvertently
transitioned from RV pilot to glider pilot without warning report that the
sink rate is much different from when the engine is windmilling (see the
archives). Given this I believe it is possible to hit the ground at 48 MPH
but probably at a catastrophic rate of decent. I hate to think of what
this would do to your spine. I'd prefer to take my chances the same way I
land every time. Pick your place and make it work.
Just my opinion
Eric
Andy (at)matronics.com on 03/26/2001 10:05:28 PM
Please respond to rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
cc:
Subject: RV-List: VGs and the dark side
I'm sitting on a box of Micro Aero VGs which I got for my -6A for doing
some work for the company and am debating whether to install them.
What appealed to me mostly about VGs was the lower stall speed and how
that might allow a lower off field landing speed in the event of a power
problem, especially here in the high country where TAS is typically 10-15
mph faster than IAS.
However in re-reading some of Van's articles on the Back Side of the Power
Curve I've become concerned that the power off sink rate at those lower
speeds which VGs allow may be so high as to be impractical and possibly
even unarrestable in a landing situation. In other words, it seems that
VGs will let you fly much slower, but only with enough engine power to
hold you up in the face of all that drag.
Any comments?
Andy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric.J.Henson(at)chase.com |
03/27/2001 08:25:56 AM
Sorry Bruce,
The plane did not fly for 3 months after the paint, the wind did not
flatten the paint. The painter specifically told us not to screw with it
for a few months for this reason (the paint would remain active below the
surface). The proof is in the puddin, the peel did not "appear" to go away.
It went. Now its gone.
I guess we're just going to disagree on this one.
Eric
BVoutas(at)AOL.COM@matronics.com on 03/27/2001 07:28:24 AM
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Subject: Re: RV-List: Orange Peel
New paint dosn't continue to flow for months after painting.
Any paint will flow better when over reduced however you usually give up
gloss retention in the long run as the paint will haze. Most new paints
today with HVLP instruct you to apply your first coat of paint as you want
it
to look when completed. Over reducing the paint will not let you apply the
full wet coats without the paint running. It is true paint seems to
flatten
out after it has been on the plane awhile however this is from the air and
dust slip streaming over the paint. Its natures way of sanding and
smoothing
out the peel. Many times if the peel or paint defects are too heavy it is
just as quick to sand smooth without cutting through the finish and recoat
the paint. You will not be applying so much paint to cover primer or
sealer
and when recoating the paint flows out flat.
Bruce Voutas RV-8A fuselage
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| From: | rpflanze(at)iquest.net |
| Subject: | Re: cd rom for rv6a |
>any thoughts or recomendations and prices for a panel mount cd >player to be
mounted on panel of my rv6a? thanks Bob Blum
Sure, mount that sucker right next to your ADF receiver. What's that? You're
not installing an ADF because it's old technology? Well, so is a panel mounted
CD player!
Seriously Bob, I would install a good, high quality portable CD player using
the music input jack from your stereo intercom system. Why a portable? I think
there are a couple of good reasons. One, you can more adequately shock mount
a portable than a panel mounted one. Most RV's vibrate quite a bit. Two, you
won't take up valuable panel space. Three, a portable, even one with a memory
feature to compensate for vibration-enduced skipping, will cost less than a
panel mounted CD player. Finally, you'll be able to swap out the portable as
more advanced and less expensive MP3 players come on the market, thus eliminating
the skipping problem all together.
I use a really cheap ($79) Panasonic CD player that just sits on the passenger
seat or in a seat pocket and it almost never skips on me. I've tested some
of the latest MP3 players too and they work great.
Toss that panel mounted CD player in the heap with your 8 track player, phono
table, ADF, and VOR radios.
Randy Pflanzer N417G
RV-6 (127 hours.....Getting ready for the warmth of FLA!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tim Bryan" <timbryan(at)oregontrail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: N401RH Photo's |
The four months was worth it no? Looks Great!
Tim Bryan
timbryan(at)oregontrail.net
----- Original Message -----
From: <RobHickman(at)AOL.COM>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:50 PM
Subject: RV-List: N401RH Photo's
>
> Listers,
>
> After four long months of the paint job from hell I finally flew my RV-4
> again last Friday night. The only thing better than flying it the first
time
> was flying it after four months. It was the perfect night here in
Portland
> warm, sunny, no wind and I greased the landing!
>
> I have updated my web page with the new pictures:
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/robhickman/index.html
>
> I will try to get Randall to get some air to air photo's in the next week
and
> we can finally put an end to those rumors that his plane is faster. :)
>
> Rob Hickman
> (N401RH RV-4 Painted & Flying)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ENewton57(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Control vision Engine monitor |
In a message dated 3/26/01 3:54:49 PM Central Standard Time,
bertrv6(at)yahoo.com writes:
<< I got the complete eletrical unit, from Control
vission. But when installing it,I found the tray would
not fit, into the cut specified by theInstructions..
Has any one found the same problem, and how was
solve? Short of making a larger cut on only the
section which, is needed to allow for a component
that is taller than the rest of the tray?
>>
Hi Bert,
The taller part, a black box just unplugs. Pull it off, slide in the tray
and re-plug it in on the other side.
I found this out when I sent it to control vision to get the back up battery
modification done to it. The girl called me and told me that they left the
black box off because it wont fit the hole and to just plug it back in when
it is fitted to the panel. You would think they would have this in the
instructions since they obviously know about it.
Eric Newton - Long Beach, Mississippi
RV-6A N57ME (Reserved) (Finish Kit - Firewall forward)
http://www.ericsrv6a.com
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| Subject: | Fluctuating fuel pressure, me too |
I also have this problem (fluctuating fuel pressure between ~4 down to
~2-psi). I've checked hoses and tubing for cracked fittings, loose
connections, etc. have NOT checked the transducer (Honeywell, not aircraft
specific but high quality). I even replaced the float and valve plunger in
the carb thinking it was sticking open or closed slightly. No change. This
problem developed after ~80-hrs of time on the plane.
I'm running an O-320-E2A with high comp pistons, Marvel-Scheibler(sp?) carb
and CS prop.
Anyone have a suggestion based on actual experience?
Bryan Jones -8 765BJ
Pearland, Texas
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| From: | "Jack Textor" <pincjt(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | VGs and the dark side |
Hi Andy,
My only concern would be washing the bugs off those darn things.
Jack
RV8
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: VGs and the dark side
I'm sitting on a box of Micro Aero VGs which I got for my -6A for doing
some work for the company and am debating whether to install them.
What appealed to me mostly about VGs was the lower stall speed and how
that might allow a lower off field landing speed in the event of a power
problem, especially here in the high country where TAS is typically 10-15
mph faster than IAS.
However in re-reading some of Van's articles on the Back Side of the Power
Curve I've become concerned that the power off sink rate at those lower
speeds which VGs allow may be so high as to be impractical and possibly
even unarrestable in a landing situation. In other words, it seems that
VGs will let you fly much slower, but only with enough engine power to
hold you up in the face of all that drag.
Any comments?
Andy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Harrill <KHarrill(at)osa.state.sc.us> |
Bob,
I used a standard DIN automotive receiver so that I can upgrade easily when
the technology changes. The Kenwood I bought costs about $150. I used a
portable CD player in the last plane I owned, but I prefer not to have all
the loose wires in the cockpit.
Ken Harrill
RV-6, electrical
any thoughts or recomendations and prices for a panel mount cd player to
be
mounted on panel of my rv6a? thanks Bob Blum
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Don't Sweat the fuel pressure |
Guys,
Fluctuating fuel pressure is quite normal especially during power changes.
Your fuel pressure will be lower at higher power settings because of the
demand by the engine and the maximum output of the engine pump,or the
electric pump, if it is operating. I'm sure the pressures are within limits,
you are just not used to looking at them on a very accurate digital gauge
versus an analog needle. Remember we are only dealing with just a few PSI.
Sure positive fuel pressure is necessary for any engine to run, but in a
carbureted engine that pretty much all you need POSITIVE fuel pressure. If
you put your fancy digital fuel flow gauge on a cessna 172 (no engine pump or
electric pump) how much fuel pressure do you think you would see. Not much
it;s a gravity feed system-which provides positive fuel pressure.
Fuel injected engines are of course a different animal,and much higher
pressures are required. In this type of setup you would want to be concerned
about fluctuating fuel flows.
regards,
Bill Mahoney
RV-6 N747W
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| From: | "Cloud Chasers" <chasers1(at)pldi.net> |
| Subject: | RV Gear Leg Stiffeners For Sale |
I have found a great compromise to using wood on the round main gear
legs on RV's. The rods I use are 5/8" round fiberglass rod. I cut them
and taper the ends to make it easier to finish the fiberglass at the top
and bottom. I'll sell the rods, ready to install with directions for
$30. The postage is included in that price. Pictures are available
also. If you are interested, please contact Syd at chasers1(at)pldi.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer(at)mb.sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: cd rom for rv6a |
Randy, if you haven't convinced anyone else yet, you've convinced me. I was
determined to have a panel mount CD player, both for the coolness factor and
to help pass time on long flights. I officially nixed the idea a few days
ago during one of those "lean back, look at the airplane and think"
sessions.
It was my wife who first cast doubts on my plans a few weks ago. We were
shopping at Costco and I found what seemed like a good deal on a CD stereo
deck. As she pulled it out of the shopping cart at the checkout she said:
"This is pretty heavy. Are you sure you want this? You're always telling me
how important it is to keep it light." I took it from her. It had to weight
five pounds. Well, it was a high power unit, more than I needed. I thought,
hmm, maybe I'll find a lighter one somewhere else.
Then I started thinking: Why lug around even a couple of pounds of dead
weight everytime I go flying? I'd sooner lug around 4 oz. of portable CD or
mp3 player, or nothing at all if I feel like it.
And although I ever-so-carefully planned my panel to accomodate the thing,
I'm now thinking that I'll need the panel space for something else someday.
With the glovebox and CD player installed, I would have had zero room left
in the panel, and my radio stack space isn't very big as it is. I am
planning for a VFR-now, IFR later airplane. I just have to wait for the
price of IFR GPS units to fall to under $2000 so I can afford them. :-) I'll
wait until the VOR/ADF era is officially behind us. No room for 1940s
technology in my airplane. Well, except for maybe the gyros. And whiskey
compass. And then there's the engine. Actually the airframe is
semi-monocoque aluminum, a 1930s technology. Well, at least I'm using an
EIS4000 and solid-state panel light dimmers!
Curt
RV-6
Wiring, plumbing, crawling under panel, millions of little tasks beginning
to pile up.
> Toss that panel mounted CD player in the heap with your 8 track player,
phono
> table, ADF, and VOR radios.
>
> Randy Pflanzer N417G
> RV-6 (127 hours.....Getting ready for the warmth of FLA!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RVPilot4(at)webtv.net (BOBE.) |
| Subject: | VGs and the dark side |
I installed VG's I bought from Larry vetterman on my RV-4. Wow! what a
difference.I like them. It stalls about 9 mph slower indicated. It does
not want to stall ,you have to force it.However when you do,it breaks
sharply and on my 4 the left wing tries to drop. I did not buy the to
glide slower with a high sink rate but to glide normally and then slow
down in the sink just before touchdown whether on a runway or in the
brush. Bob in Poplar Grove
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <menavrat(at)collins.rockwell.com> |
| Subject: | O-360-A4A / Sensenich (was Team Rocket Wing Tips) |
5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 03/27/2001 10:10:07 AM
Clyde,
I have an O-360-A4A out of a Cherokee 180 that I'm putting on my RV-8A. I
have the Sensenich fixed pitch metal prop, mine is 72" X 87". The 85" or
86" pitch is probly a better compromise for all-around performance. I
can't say for sure yet since I haven't flown mine.
The only consideration with the O-360-A4A is that the prop flange on the
crank has long bushings in it. These will not fit the Sensenich prop
spacer (or any other prop spacer for RV's that I'm aware of) and need to be
replaced with the normal short bushings. You could probly do this yourself
but I intend to have a shop do it since I'm sending out my crank to be
polished and magnafluxed before I reassemble my engine.
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A fuselage, N18EX reserved, O-360-A4A, Sensenich 87"
From: "chubbart" <chubbart(at)fastdata.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Team Rocket Wing Tips
Hi gang,
couple questions:
1.
I have a fp cowling and am trying to figure out if the previous owner has
trimed it yet, does anyone know what the measurement is on an uncut one
when
it's set on the floor an measured form the floor to the top of the prop
ring?
2.
I'm installing a 0-360A4A an am thinking of using a Senenich metal prop
72"X86"P, is anyone using this prop?
Thanks Clyde
chubbart(at)fastdata.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Warren" <jwdub(at)teleport.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VGs and the dark side |
You might want to check out Terry Jantzi's site - he did a very careful
comparison with and without VG. Little difference was noted when installed
on his aircraft.
His site is: www.netrover.com/~tjantzi/terry/
John Warren
RV-6Q
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Burch" <rv6man(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: VGs and the dark side
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy" <winterland(at)rkymtnhi.com>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:05 PM
> Subject: RV-List: VGs and the dark side
>
>
> >
> > I'm sitting on a box of Micro Aero VGs which I got for my -6A for doing
> > some work for the company and am debating whether to install them.
> >
> > What appealed to me mostly about VGs was the lower stall speed and how
> > that might allow a lower off field landing speed in the event of a power
> > problem, especially here in the high country where TAS is typically
10-15
> > mph faster than IAS.
> >
> > However in re-reading some of Van's articles on the Back Side of the
Power
> > Curve I've become concerned that the power off sink rate at those lower
> > speeds which VGs allow may be so high as to be impractical and possibly
> > even unarrestable in a landing situation. In other words, it seems that
> > VGs will let you fly much slower, but only with enough engine power to
> > hold you up in the face of all that drag.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > Andy
> >
> Andy, do you fly power off right at stall? It is no different than
without
> the vg's.
> You are still going to glide at your min.sink speed. It is the flare to
> touch down were
> the Vg's shine. The RV has more than enough tail power to handle the extra
> angle of attack.
> It is still about how fast do the wheels touch down.TerryB
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DWENSING(at)AOL.COM |
In a message dated 3/23/01 11:22:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Ed_Cole(at)maximhq.com writes:
<< Is there any chemical that will dissolve High Temp RTV easily? >>
Ed,
Are you sure it is high temp RTV silicone rubber? Is it red?
MEK will soften but not dissolve regular silicone RTV rubber including the
red high temp. You can then more easily mechanically remove (brass brush) the
rubber.
Fluorosilicone RTV rubber will not soften with MEK or 100LL.
Dale Ensing
6A Aero Plantation NC21
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fluctuating fuel pressure |
Scott,
I have seen fuel pressure variations of this magnitude on my VM1000 in my 6A
with similar engine and C/S prop. I believe these are well within the
specified operating range for your engine. Page 3-12 of the Textron Lycoming
Operator's Manual lists max 8.0 psi, desired 3.0 psi and min 0.5 psi.
If you don't have that book, I'd suggest you order is ASAP from Builder's
Bookstore. It has all the specs you need to be aware of to keep your engine
from Bart alive and well.
Dennis Persyk 6A N600DP 56 hours
Hampshire, IL 68IS (C38)
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Baldwin <n728p(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:04 AM
Subject: RV-List: Fluctuating fuel pressure
>
>I flew our RV-6 for the second time last week and everything seemed fine.
>The plane handled great, and the engine ran fine ( an 0360 from Aero-Sport
>with a fixed pitch Sensenich prop ). However , I noticed my fuel pressure
>was fluctuating with the power settings. As I increased power the pressure
>went from 4 lbs. down to just under 2 lbs.
>As I backed off on the power the pressure came back up. Same reaction
flying
>on right tank and left tank, boost pump on or boost pump off. Decided to
cut
>the flight short and see if I could find the reason. So far I have checked
>all lines ( no collapsed hoses or kinked lines ), checked fuel tank vents,
>checked gascolator screen. Could a bad transducer cause the gauge to
>fluctuate with engine rpm ? I am using a Vans gauge and transducer.
>Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated .
>
>Thanks,
>Scott Baldwin
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Sun&Fun and the dirt |
| From: | Denis Walsh <deniswalsh(at)earthlink.net> |
on 3/26/01 8:57 PM, Dennis Persyk at dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> I witnessed the no-taxi in the display area on departure myself last year
> and personally helped pull a couple of RVs to the taxiway. Most of my RV
> friends no longer park at Sun & Fun because of it. I'm told that one fellow
> had a heart attack pulling his plane in the 85 degree heat at one Sun & Fun.
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KBoatri144(at)AOL.COM <KBoatri144(at)AOL.COM>
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:10 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sun&Fun Plant City
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 3/26/01 2:22:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net writes:
>>
>>
>>> 5) I do not like the policy that you cannot taxi from the parking area to
>>> the taxiways. There are always lots of people around to help, but I
> don't
>>> like my plane being pulled a couple of hundred yards by the prop.
>>
>> Dennis (and others),
>>
>> Where did you find this limitation? I've been to SNF for 7 years running,
>> and seem to remember all of the aircraft (display and otherwise) taxiing
>> directly to their parking areas and back to the taxiways. Did all of the
>> paint fumes addle my memory?
>>
>> Kyle Boatright - Kennesaw, GA
>> RV-6 Slider, O-320/Aymar-Demuth
>>
>>
I missed last year, but the previous two years, saw a lot of taxiing which I
did for most of the way; however it is a very long haul to paved surface
from most parking places. My last trip, I had a spot near the center dirt
path which was traversed by a John Deere with a hay wagon full of gawkers
who went by very frequently. The sand and dust was truly incredible.
Apparently it was part of a "Tour" and was very stirring.
I will be there this year but will probably not have my RV on display. It
will be parked elsewhere for the dirt and dust reason.
Denis Walsh
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Weiler" <doug.weiler(at)pressenter.com> |
| Subject: | Re: VGs and the dark side |
>
> I installed VG's I bought from Larry vetterman on my RV-4. Wow! what a
> difference.I like them. It stalls about 9 mph slower indicated. It does
> not want to stall ,you have to force it.However when you do,it breaks
> sharply and on my 4 the left wing tries to drop. I did not buy the to
> glide slower with a high sink rate but to glide normally and then slow
> down in the sink just before touchdown whether on a runway or in the
> brush. Bob in Poplar Grove
Larry Vetterman and Terry Janzti will be giving a talk on this entire VG
issue at the Twin Cities RV Forum on April 21 in Red Wing, MN. It will be
interesting to get both opinions. I have an RV-4 identical to Larry's (sans
VGs) at the moment and hope to fly in his airplane when he brings it here.
Then I'll determine whether I will install them on mine.
We intend to video tape these talks so they may be available through our
club if we can get them reproduced.
Doug Weiler
MN Wing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Places to Visit in FL |
Can you local Floridians suggest places to fly to to visit after we tire of
Sun&Fun? We were wondering about Everglades Airpark, X01.
Dennis & Kathy Persyk N600DP
Hampshire, IL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun&Fun Plant City |
Scott,
How do I get in touch with Lee? He doesn't seem to come up in any telephone
number search for Plant City or the whole state of Florida.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: ABAYMAN(at)AOL.COM <ABAYMAN(at)AOL.COM>
Date: Monday, March 26, 2001 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sun&Fun Plant City
>
>dennis
>when you get to plant city, look up Lee Omernick, he has a rv6 about ready
to
>fly, and he has a neat little loving love ( baby corsair )
>have a good flight down here
>scott
>tampa
>rv6a redoing that
%#$&@ woodgrain panel again for the 5 th time
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig Hiers" <craig-rv4(at)worldnet.att.net> |
I have an SL40 as my only comm, I think it's one of the best Radio's on the
market.
It has more built-in features the any other radio that I know of. Not to
mention
the 10 watts of carrier out-put.
The built-in intercom is not the best but it does work.
Craig Hiers
RV-4 N143CH
Tallahassee,FL.
Trapped in airplane painting hell.
> Anybody see a problem having an SL-40 as my only comm? I mentioned to some
> people that that's what I was planning to use and I had a couple ask--"Is
> that going to be your only comm?" From my research I don't see a problem
> but---
>
> Greg Tanner
> RV-9A Empennage (completed)
> SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randall Henderson" <randallh(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
> I was thinking of getting my control cables
> prop-Mixture Carb heat etc.. from A.Spruce;
[snip]
> Or I must wait until I have engine?
There are a lot of things to consider here -- are you going with the
aircraft quality friction lock/vernier cables or the tractor cables or
bowden ("lawnmower") cables? For carb heat of course its generally a bowden
cable which can be gotten from Vans or Spruce and you cut to length. Be sure
to get the ratcheting type though -- the wind will blow both the carb heat
door open without it.
As for the others, I'll assume you are planning to get the aircraft cables.
Vans stocks cables that are made by ACS in lengths that would fit a
"normally" configured RV. They are good quality cables and are the same ones
you'd get if you ordered custom from ACS although you'd pay a higher price
for the custom length. Plus if your custom cables don't come out quite right
you'll be stuck with them -- Van's cables can always be returned.
I'd recommend waiting until you have the engine, then check to make sure
you're not going to have some nonstandard routing or control placement that
would prevent being able to use Vans cables. The lengths are in their
catalog. Then get the cables and if they don't work out you at least will
have been able to see just how short/long they are which will make it easier
to order the right lengths custom.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~200 hrs)
Portland, OR
http://www.edt.com/homewing
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Sun&Fun Plant City |
DENNIS
eye probabley spellled hiz nam rong.
eyel luuk it up to knight
scott
Tampa
rv6a finishing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sun&Fun and the dirt |
Denis Walsh wrote:
>
>
> on 3/26/01 8:57 PM, Dennis Persyk at dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> >
> > I witnessed the no-taxi in the display area on departure myself last year
> > and personally helped pull a couple of RVs to the taxiway. Most of my RV
> > friends no longer park at Sun & Fun because of it. I'm told that one fellow
> > had a heart attack pulling his plane in the 85 degree heat at one Sun & Fun.
> > Dennis
Yes, there is dirt and dust at Sun-N-Fun.
Yes, you have to pull/push your plane to the nearest dirt or paved
taxiway.
But.........I will be pushing and pulling my RV-6 in the dirt and grime
and dust and sweat and crowd because I don't want to miss the chance to
park my plane with a gaggle of the best custom-built aircraft in
existance! The dirt will wash off (probably in the weather we ALWAYS
find on the way home), and the crowds will be only a memory in a few
days. I have always had lots of help with moving the plane so the
pushing is not a problem.
What would be a problem is if something comes up where I can't make the
annual sojourn to central Florida. The minor inconveniences at the show
are worth the opportunity to meet a bunch of you guys!
See you there,
Sam Buchanan (RV-6, N399SB, the dusty one....)
"The RV Journal" http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | AN Fitting Question |
This will probably win today's prize for dumbness but I realized today that I
don't understand as much as I thought I did about AN fittings. Specifically,
can anyone tell me whether all AN flare fittings are by definition compatible
with the standard aircraft 37 degree flare, or are some AN fittings, for
example those offered by an automotive supplier like Earl's, made for 45
degree flares. I called Earl's tech support number for an answer and the
person that I spoke to had never heard of 37 degree flares, so no help there.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, finish kit stuff
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AV8TURDON(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Sun&Fun and the dirt |
Good for you SAM...... I'll see you there. I hope we park side by side. This
younger generation is a bunch of wimps.
Don
N767DC RV-6
O-360 C/S
64 Years old
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> |
| Subject: | RV-4 control cable routing |
Can anybody tell me how they routed their control cables on an RV-4. I'm
using the cable bracket Van's sells and also Van's 3 lever throttle quadrant
mounted on left side of cockpit. Also any details about how you anchored
the control cable at the throttle quadrant end would be helpful as well.
Thanks!
--
Scott VanArtsdalen, MCSE, CCNA
Network Administrator
Union Safe Deposit Bank
209-946-5116
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Earl Fortner <e.fortner(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Do not open RV-List:0-360-A4A/Sensenich(was Team Rocket Wing Tips)
My Norton Antivirus isolated it with Firus (Threat.DateOverflow)
Don't know if it is serious or not but I deleted it.
Earl RV4
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: AN Fitting Question |
Earl's uses 37 degree when they say AN, I believe. 45 degrees is the auto
standard. If you specify 37 degrees it will work with AN.
----- Original Message -----
From: <HCRV6(at)AOL.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:13 PM
Subject: RV-List: AN Fitting Question
>
> This will probably win today's prize for dumbness but I realized today
that I
> don't understand as much as I thought I did about AN fittings.
Specifically,
> can anyone tell me whether all AN flare fittings are by definition
compatible
> with the standard aircraft 37 degree flare, or are some AN fittings, for
> example those offered by an automotive supplier like Earl's, made for 45
> degree flares. I called Earl's tech support number for an answer and the
> person that I spoke to had never heard of 37 degree flares, so no help
there.
>
>
> Harry Crosby
> Pleasanton, California
> RV-6, finish kit stuff
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Arthur Glaser <airplane(at)megsinet.net> |
I have gotten this several times.
Earl Fortner wrote:
>
> Do not open RV-List:0-360-A4A/Sensenich(was Team Rocket Wing Tips)
> My Norton Antivirus isolated it with Firus (Threat.DateOverflow)
> Don't know if it is serious or not but I deleted it.
> Earl RV4
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AN Fitting Question |
Harry,
Unless otherwise stated, all AN fittings are 37 degree, even Earl's.
Mike Robertson
RV-8a
>From: HCRV6(at)AOL.COM
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: AN Fitting Question
>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:13:19 EST
>
>
>This will probably win today's prize for dumbness but I realized today that
>I
>don't understand as much as I thought I did about AN fittings.
>Specifically,
>can anyone tell me whether all AN flare fittings are by definition
>compatible
>with the standard aircraft 37 degree flare, or are some AN fittings, for
>example those offered by an automotive supplier like Earl's, made for 45
>degree flares. I called Earl's tech support number for an answer and the
>person that I spoke to had never heard of 37 degree flares, so no help
>there.
>
>
>Harry Crosby
>Pleasanton, California
>RV-6, finish kit stuff
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AN Fitting Question |
I have used Earl's fittings and hoses exclusively on my 6A and the AN
fittings are indeed 37 degree aircraft fittings. Note that Wicks has better
prices on many of the common AN fittings, but Earl's has much better prices
on hoses and of course offers AN-style fittings that are not available as
standard aircraft fittings -- neat little adapters, special angle fittings,
swivel fittings and the like.
Dennis Persyk 6A N600DP O360A1A/Hartzell 56 hours
Hampshire, IL 68IS (C38)
-----Original Message-----
From: HCRV6(at)AOL.COM <HCRV6(at)AOL.COM>
Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:39 PM
Subject: RV-List: AN Fitting Question
>
>This will probably win today's prize for dumbness but I realized today that
I
>don't understand as much as I thought I did about AN fittings.
Specifically,
>can anyone tell me whether all AN flare fittings are by definition
compatible
>with the standard aircraft 37 degree flare, or are some AN fittings, for
>example those offered by an automotive supplier like Earl's, made for 45
>degree flares. I called Earl's tech support number for an answer and the
>person that I spoke to had never heard of 37 degree flares, so no help
there.
>
>
>Harry Crosby
>Pleasanton, California
>RV-6, finish kit stuff
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cole, Ed" <Ed_Cole(at)maximhq.com> |
Thanks to all who responded on dissolving the High Temp (RED) RTV.
Someone suggested 100LL and that did the trick. It softens it up
enough to remove with a brass brush.
Ed Cole
RV6A N2169D Flying
RV6A N638RV Finishing
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DWENSING(at)AOL.COM [SMTP:DWENSING(at)AOL.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:30 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RTV remover
>
>
> In a message dated 3/23/01 11:22:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Ed_Cole(at)maximhq.com writes:
>
> << Is there any chemical that will dissolve High Temp RTV easily? >>
> Ed,
> Are you sure it is high temp RTV silicone rubber? Is it red?
> MEK will soften but not dissolve regular silicone RTV rubber including the
>
> red high temp. You can then more easily mechanically remove (brass brush)
> the
> rubber.
> Fluorosilicone RTV rubber will not soften with MEK or 100LL.
> Dale Ensing
> 6A Aero Plantation NC21
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
| Subject: | AN Fitting Question |
Aeroquip also has a good selection
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Persyk
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: AN Fitting Question
I have used Earl's fittings and hoses exclusively on my 6A and the AN
fittings are indeed 37 degree aircraft fittings. Note that Wicks has better
prices on many of the common AN fittings, but Earl's has much better prices
on hoses and of course offers AN-style fittings that are not available as
standard aircraft fittings -- neat little adapters, special angle fittings,
swivel fittings and the like.
Dennis Persyk 6A N600DP O360A1A/Hartzell 56 hours
Hampshire, IL 68IS (C38)
-----Original Message-----
From: HCRV6(at)AOL.COM <HCRV6(at)AOL.COM>
Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:39 PM
Subject: RV-List: AN Fitting Question
>
>This will probably win today's prize for dumbness but I realized today that
I
>don't understand as much as I thought I did about AN fittings.
Specifically,
>can anyone tell me whether all AN flare fittings are by definition
compatible
>with the standard aircraft 37 degree flare, or are some AN fittings, for
>example those offered by an automotive supplier like Earl's, made for 45
>degree flares. I called Earl's tech support number for an answer and the
>person that I spoke to had never heard of 37 degree flares, so no help
there.
>
>
>Harry Crosby
>Pleasanton, California
>RV-6, finish kit stuff
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
I'm looking at the pictures of the 7 and it looks like they're running a
bent whip com under the belley just aft of the gear--is this correct or am I
mistaken.
Greg Tanner
RV-9A Empennage (done)
SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Thomas Nguyen" <TNGUYEN(at)OSS.OCEANEERING.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Mike Seager Training in Fort Worth |
George/Becki,
I have signed up for two time slots on Saturday morning (8 & 11:00 am) on March
31 for flight training with Mike Seager. I just wonder if the schedule is still
good.
Thanks
T.Nguyen
RV-6A
N747TN
>>> OrndorffG(at)AOL.COM 01/15/01 09:33AM >>>
Mike Seager will be in Fort Worth March 29, 30 and 31 to do RV transition
training. If you are a current pilot, building an RV and would like some
transition training, please give us a call at 940-648-0841.
George and Becki Orndorff
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Are Barstad" <abarstad(at)bconnex.net> |
I think you're correct Greg. Seems like a natural spot for it.
Are
RV-8 Fuel Tanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Greg Tanner
Sent: March 27, 2001 5:47 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV-7 antenna
I'm looking at the pictures of the 7 and it looks like they're running a
bent whip com under the belley just aft of the gear--is this correct or am I
mistaken.
Greg Tanner
RV-9A Empennage (done)
SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RV-7 Wings / Fuselage |
| From: | Shelby Smith <rvaitor(at)home.com> |
Just wondering and maybe someone has already asked, but I missed it. Are the
wings the same shape and is the fuselage the same shape at the cowling(or
will the new cowling and wingtips work on a RV-6?)?
Thanks
Shelby Smith
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: N401RH Photo's |
Subject: RV-List: N401RH Photo's
>
> Listers,
>
> After four long months of the paint job from hell I finally flew my RV-4
> again last Friday night. The only thing better than flying it the first
time
> was flying it after four months. It was the perfect night here in
Portland
> warm, sunny, no wind and I greased the landing!
>
> I have updated my web page with the new pictures:
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/robhickman/index.html
>
> I will try to get Randall to get some air to air photo's in the next week
and
> we can finally put an end to those rumors that his plane is faster. :)
>
> Rob Hickman
> (N401RH RV-4 Painted & Flying)
>
>
It comfort's me to know somebody else took as long as I did to paint a RV-4
N39TB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "chubbart" <chubbart(at)fastdata.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV Gear Leg Stiffeners For Sale |
I guess i'm real dumb so would you send some pics so maybe i'll understand
better.
thanks clyde
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cloud Chasers" <chasers1(at)pldi.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:34 AM
Subject: RV-List: RV Gear Leg Stiffeners For Sale
>
> I have found a great compromise to using wood on the round main gear
> legs on RV's. The rods I use are 5/8" round fiberglass rod. I cut them
> and taper the ends to make it easier to finish the fiberglass at the top
> and bottom. I'll sell the rods, ready to install with directions for
> $30. The postage is included in that price. Pictures are available
> also. If you are interested, please contact Syd at chasers1(at)pldi.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-7 manuals etc... |
It looks like the -6QB is being discontinued.
Signature Mike Nellis Stinson 108-2 N9666K RV-6 N699BM (reserved)
Plainfield, IL (LOT) http://bmnellis.com
> Also, regarding the RV-6/6A. According to Tom Green at Van's the RV-6/6A
is
> NOT being discontinued. You can still start and complete an RV-6 with the
same
> full and enthusiastic support from Vans. The main benefits of the RV-7
are:
> a- more headroom (for those more than about 6'2" tall. I'm 6' 2" and fit
very
> comfortably in my 6; any taller would become a problem)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rich <houndsfour(at)mediaone.net> |
Hi All in RV land,
Has anyone heard if propeller manufacture by the name of
Hendrickson-Rowbear of Woodstock, Illinois is still in business? Their
telephone number has
been disconnected.
Bet you can't guess who's prop I purchased.
Rich
RV-6 first flight soooo soon I can taste it.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless(at)barefootpilot.com> |
Can someone tell me who sells Bob Archers antennae?
Any web sites?
thanks,
cliff
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Are Barstad" <abarstad(at)bconnex.net> |
Try Chief Aircraft Inc.
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/Aircraft/Antennas/ArcherSportcraft.html
This seems to be a good source for pictures and prices as well.
Regards,
Are
RV-8 Left Fuel Tank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Clifford Begnaud
Sent: March 27, 2001 7:31 PM
Subject: RV-List: Archer Antennas
Can someone tell me who sells Bob Archers antennae?
Any web sites?
thanks,
cliff
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John" <fasching(at)amigo.net> |
| Subject: | Team Rocket Wing Tips |
I had posted a note regarding fit problems in retrofitting my RV6A with
replacement wing tips from Team Rocket.
In fairness, I had an exchange of e-mail with Mark at Team Rocket, and he
gave me a great tip for getting a near perfect fit. Here it is:
Use a racheting web-type clamp (I used one like truckers use to hold a load
down.) The web pulls on the outside aft tip of the wing tip and the forward
section of the web-clamp is braced around the wing just inboard of the tip
location.
With a bit of heaving the tip can be "rotated" a bit so that the front part
is mated perfectly, and the aft part of the tip moved up or down as needed
to align with the aileron/flap line.
Obviously there is a limit as to how much 'adjusting' can be done with this
method, but it sure made an easy job of putting the tip on.
I like the outcome so much that I am going to remove the first tip that I
put on, and use this method to improve the fit of that first attempt - one
in which I did not have the advantage of some hints from Team Rocket.
FWIW
RV6A Flying
Salida, CO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owens, Laird" <Owens(at)aerovironment.com> |
| Subject: | Wood Prop 4 Sale |
Hi all,
I was visiting with Tracy Saylor last weekend (really I was trying to steal RV
go fast secrets) and he mentioned that he had a Great American (?) prop for sale
and asked if I could post it to the list.
It came off his old RV-4 that had a 150hp engine. He rebuilt that engine and upped
the compression, then the prop was a little underpitched for the added HP.
So if you might be interested, he's asking $300 for it. I don't have any more
info on it, but you can call Tracy at: 1-805-933-8225 or email him at:
tracysaylor(at)earthlink.net
BTW, Tracy will be at SNF racing and hanging out.
Regards,
Laird RV-6
SoCal
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KBoatri144(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Baggage Hold Downs |
Does anyone have a "cookbook" solution for keeping baggage in its rightful
place - sitting in the baggage compartment? I have visions of my SNF camping
gear migrating forward and getting under the flap handle, etc.
Also, before SNF, I've gotta do some load carrying tests, but the idea of
putting sandbags in the plane isn't too attractive (imagine if one burst...
aargh!). Is there a better solution?
Kyle Boatright - Kennesaw, GA
RV-6 Slider, O-320/Aymar-Demuth
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)mpinet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Places to Visit in FL |
Dennis,
Everglades is a very good stop. Park at the south end of the runway, then
it's a very short walk to the ranger station where you can catch a boat ride
through the ten thousand islands. Walking past the ranger station and across
the street is a very fine seafood restaurent. Self service fuel is available
at the airport.
Another good stop is Indiantown X58. A fantastic 6000 ft long grass runway.
You can call the Old Semilole Inn ( I believe that is the correct name) from
the phone in the office and they will come out and pick you up. Excellent
food and if you decide to stay the night, your wife will love the rooms.Fuel
is also available there.
There are good restaurants at Sebring SEF, Punta Gorda PGD, (dont buy fuel
there)and Ocala OCF .
Have fun, see you at S&F
Bill RV-8 N48WD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 2:08 PM
Subject: RV-List: Places to Visit in FL
>
> Can you local Floridians suggest places to fly to to visit after we tire
of
> Sun&Fun? We were wondering about Everglades Airpark, X01.
>
> Dennis & Kathy Persyk N600DP
> Hampshire, IL
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
I've got a friend (yes, I actually do) here in paradise that has an RV-3 for
sale. Structurally it is about 80% done. It is an earlier one and has been
sitting around for a while and the cowling and canopy have taken a beating
so it really needs a new cowling and canopy. The paint was never completed
so a new paint job is in order. Most of the basic instruments are included
but no avionics. He is asking $5000 for it. Shipping from here to the west
coast is about $1500 right now. He will put it in a container for free.
There is also a O-235 available for it. Right now it is torn down but
everything has been inspected. He is asking $5000 for that as is or $8000
if you would like it re-assembled. I have overwatched this gentleman for
several years and he is an artist when it comes to engine build-up.
Let me know directly if you may be interested and I will get him in touch
with you. All prices are negotiable.
Mike Robertson
RV-8A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Bristol <bj034(at)lafn.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Archer Antennas |
Cliff,
ACS also sells them.
Dave, with both Bob's nav and com-love em!
Clifford Begnaud wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me who sells Bob Archers antennae?
> Any web sites?
> thanks,
> cliff
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "dn" <rv6flyn(at)dellepro.com> |
I just finished building a RV6, and now have another problem. It is time to
fly but the insurance company says i need a RV checkout via a flight
instructor to be covered. The factory pilot is booked up until MAY. !! I
have a tailwheel end. and am current. Just need to pickup a RV6 checkout.
Can anyone HELP? Tulsa Oklahoma area would be best, but i will fly to where
ever is necessary. I will also pay for your trouble. Thanks
Dustin Norlund
RV6 - Taxi tested, FAA blessed, ready to go..
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Bristol <bj034(at)lafn.org> |
Today I pushed over a little more abruptly than usual (about -1/2 G) and
got an RPM change that I didn't expect! It got quite rough and the rpm
fluctuated by about 200. It's an 0-360 with a constant speed prop and
Airflow Performance injection system. I'm sure it's not a fuel problem
since the tanks were full ($71 worth!). It seems to me that it's
probably the oil pickup that is unporting and getting a gulp of air,
since the oil pressure also fluctuates. I repeated it 4-5 times and it
acts the same every time.
Has anyone had a similar problem? Lycomings are new to me, most of my
time is behind Franklins an Continental's.
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
dustin
i think mike seager has time available in ft worth texas, ask george and
beckie orndolf.
scott
tampa rv6a
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ross" <rmickey(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
I would wait. Also, Vans are made by ACS and are cheaper. The only
difference is that the ones from ACS have a longer throw and are not
covered. I posted a "product comparison" a few weeks ago.
Ross
> I was thinking of getting my control cables
> prop-Mixture Carb heat etc.. from A.Spruce; I do not
> have my engine yet. Will be a Lyc. 320 150 hp.
> Has any one purchase the control cables before, engine
> if so, what lengts should these be...I understand
> one should get the correct length..
>
> Or I must wait until I have engine?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Archer Antennas |
bobsantennas(at)earthlink.com is one of Bob's e-mail addresses
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless(at)barefootpilot.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 6:30 PM
Subject: RV-List: Archer Antennas
>
> Can someone tell me who sells Bob Archers antennae?
> Any web sites?
> thanks,
> cliff
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel Tank Mounting and Testing |
I finally finished both fuel tanks and mounted them. I also got up the
nerve to test them as well. First time out they tested good, but not
without a few scary moments while I had to seal up the various fitting
better. If you're going to be testing your tank, take a look at the
procedure I used. It was simple and quick.
Mike Nellis
Stinson 108-2 N9666K
RV-6 N699BM (reserved)
Plainfield, IL (LOT)
http://bmnellis.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James E. Clark" <jclark(at)conterra.com> |
| Subject: | Sun&Fun and the dirt |
Thanks Sam.
We have chatted a few times at SnF and OSH.
Those of us still building really appreciate getting to chat with you
"flyers" and gawk at your flying planes.
James
RV6A [not-so]QB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sun&Fun and the dirt
Denis Walsh wrote:
>
>
> on 3/26/01 8:57 PM, Dennis Persyk at dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> >
> > I witnessed the no-taxi in the display area on departure myself last
year
> > and personally helped pull a couple of RVs to the taxiway. Most of my
RV
> > friends no longer park at Sun & Fun because of it. I'm told that one
fellow
> > had a heart attack pulling his plane in the 85 degree heat at one Sun &
Fun.
> > Dennis
Yes, there is dirt and dust at Sun-N-Fun.
Yes, you have to pull/push your plane to the nearest dirt or paved
taxiway.
But.........I will be pushing and pulling my RV-6 in the dirt and grime
and dust and sweat and crowd because I don't want to miss the chance to
park my plane with a gaggle of the best custom-built aircraft in
existance! The dirt will wash off (probably in the weather we ALWAYS
find on the way home), and the crowds will be only a memory in a few
days. I have always had lots of help with moving the plane so the
pushing is not a problem.
What would be a problem is if something comes up where I can't make the
annual sojourn to central Florida. The minor inconveniences at the show
are worth the opportunity to meet a bunch of you guys!
See you there,
Sam Buchanan (RV-6, N399SB, the dusty one....)
"The RV Journal" http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tim Lewis" <timrv6a(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Fluctuating fuel pressure |
I found that the standard transducer used for several different brands
of fuel pressure gauges is quite non-linear in the lower ranges. I
compared the indication from my electrical gauge with that shown by a
mechanical gauge plumbed in parallel. I found that pressures under 4
psi or so were indicated unreliably on the electrical system.
> >I flew our RV-6 for the second time last week and everything seemed
> >fine. The plane handled great, and the engine ran fine ( an 0360 from
> >Aero-Sport with a fixed pitch Sensenich prop ). However , I noticed
> >my fuel pressure was fluctuating with the power settings. As I
> >increased power the pressure went from 4 lbs. down to just under 2
> >lbs. As I backed off on the power the pressure came back up. Same
> >reaction flying
> >on right tank and left tank, boost pump on or boost pump off. Decided
> >to cut
> >the flight short and see if I could find the reason. So far I have
> >checked all lines ( no collapsed hoses or kinked lines ), checked
> >fuel tank vents, checked gascolator screen. Could a bad transducer
> >cause the gauge to fluctuate with engine rpm ? I am using a Vans
> >gauge and transducer. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated .
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Scott Baldwin
******
Tim Lewis -- Springfield VA
RV-6A N47TD - First Flight 18 Dec 99
http://www.geocities.com/timrv6a
******
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Besing" <pbesing(at)rmi.net> |
| Subject: | AN Fitting (Earl's) Supplier |
For those of you who do not know of WM Engineering, they are a
distributor of Earl's parts. They will give you jobber pricing
(wholesale).
Dick, the owner, is a great person to deal with, and he's a pilot as
well. He has sold many parts to RV builders.
http://www.coredcs.com/~wmeng/
Paul Besing
RV-6A (197AB) Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Finish Kit (Still)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Besing" <pbesing(at)rmi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Baggage Hold Downs |
I thought about this and was thinking of getting some hardware from a
camping store, or auto dealer. The back of many SUV's have looped brackets
that come up from the floor so that you can attach bungee cords to. Rivet
those babies to the floor and you have your solution.
For weight, try going to a metal surplus house and buy some bulk lead and
just put them in bags or something. I think I paid about 5 cents/pound for
the lead I used in my elevators.
Paul Besing
RV-6A (197AB) Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Finish Kit (Still)
----- Original Message -----
From: <KBoatri144(at)AOL.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 6:42 PM
Subject: RV-List: Baggage Hold Downs
>
>
> Does anyone have a "cookbook" solution for keeping baggage in its rightful
> place - sitting in the baggage compartment? I have visions of my SNF
camping
> gear migrating forward and getting under the flap handle, etc.
>
> Also, before SNF, I've gotta do some load carrying tests, but the idea of
> putting sandbags in the plane isn't too attractive (imagine if one
burst...
> aargh!). Is there a better solution?
>
> Kyle Boatright - Kennesaw, GA
> RV-6 Slider, O-320/Aymar-Demuth
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr(at)petroblend.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure? |
Typical single engine C/S prop installations use governor oil pressure to
push the prop to high pitch/low rpm. When the engine oil pressure drops,
the governor cannot supply pressure and the prop rpm increases. Typical
aerobatic propellor installations operate in the opposite way, governor
pressure drives the propellor to low pitch/ high rpm. This prevents
over-reving associated with negative "G" operations. A Christen System will
reduce these excursions, but still there are places where the oil pump will
take a swallow of air.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
www.petroblend.com\dougr
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Bristol <bj034(at)lafn.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:17 PM
Subject: RV-List: Oil pressure?
>
> Today I pushed over a little more abruptly than usual (about -1/2 G) and
> got an RPM change that I didn't expect! It got quite rough and the rpm
> fluctuated by about 200. It's an 0-360 with a constant speed prop and
> Airflow Performance injection system. I'm sure it's not a fuel problem
> since the tanks were full ($71 worth!). It seems to me that it's
> probably the oil pickup that is unporting and getting a gulp of air,
> since the oil pressure also fluctuates. I repeated it 4-5 times and it
> acts the same every time.
> Has anyone had a similar problem? Lycomings are new to me, most of my
> time is behind Franklins an Continental's.
>
> Dave
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris & Susie" <rv6(at)ssc.net.au> |
Ok Guys where does the canopy lock go? The one with the key I mean. RV6
Tip up canopy.
Anyone got a picture? Can't find anything on archives.
Thanks
Chris. Aus.
RV6 Finishing kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Trusty" <dtrusty(at)iname.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel Filter for O-360 Fuel Injection |
I am trying to find a source for fuel filters. I need a filter that
filters to 120 microns and flows at 20 gph.
Anyone have a source? Would appreciate Manufacturer/Model Number if you
do.
Thanks,
Dennis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Baggage Hold Downs |
My wife and I use 40 pound water softener salt bags. They come in nice
plastic bags so the salt doesn't spill out. I am still messing with my trim
(more down trim range required for more aft CGs) so we can carry more than
our present 60 lbs at low fuel -- I need to carry more junk!
Dennis Persyk 6A N600DP
-----Original Message-----
From: KBoatri144(at)AOL.COM <KBoatri144(at)AOL.COM>
Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:07 PM
Subject: RV-List: Baggage Hold Downs
>
>
>Does anyone have a "cookbook" solution for keeping baggage in its rightful
>place - sitting in the baggage compartment? I have visions of my SNF
camping
>gear migrating forward and getting under the flap handle, etc.
>
>Also, before SNF, I've gotta do some load carrying tests, but the idea of
>putting sandbags in the plane isn't too attractive (imagine if one burst...
>aargh!). Is there a better solution?
>
>Kyle Boatright - Kennesaw, GA
>RV-6 Slider, O-320/Aymar-Demuth
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Mack" <don(at)dmack.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV6-List: Fuel Filter for O-360 Fuel Injection |
Look at http://www.airflowperformance.com/airframe.htm
Don Mack
RV-6A finishing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Trusty" <dtrusty(at)iname.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 10:43 PM
Subject: RV6-List: Fuel Filter for O-360 Fuel Injection
> --> RV6-List message posted by: "Dennis Trusty"
>
> I am trying to find a source for fuel filters. I need a filter that
> filters to 120 microns and flows at 20 gph.
>
> Anyone have a source? Would appreciate Manufacturer/Model Number if you
> do.
>
> Thanks,
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary A. Sobek" <rv6flier(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure? |
--- Dave Bristol wrote:
>
> Today I pushed over a little more abruptly than usual (about -1/2 G)
> and
> got an RPM change that I didn't expect! It got quite rough and the
> rpm
> fluctuated by about 200. It's an 0-360 with a constant speed prop and
> Airflow Performance injection system. I'm sure it's not a fuel
> problem
> since the tanks were full ($71 worth!). It seems to me that it's
> probably the oil pickup that is unporting and getting a gulp of air,
> since the oil pressure also fluctuates. I repeated it 4-5 times and
> it
> acts the same every time.
> Has anyone had a similar problem? Lycomings are new to me, most of my
> time is behind Franklins an Continental's.
>
> Dave
Dave:
I am using a carb and the engine will miss when I get light. Have seen
-2 G. It also will blow out some black smoke. (Ask Paul Rosales about
this as he is the one that was following me and reported it.)
The constant speed prop that I use will go to flat pitch when you loose
oil pressure. It is possible that is what is happening. You said that
the RPM changed 200 RPM. If the RPM rises, then you are loosing oil
pressure.
====
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
778+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.tripod.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Bristol <bj034(at)lafn.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure? |
Thanks Doug, but the question actually is whether the oil pickup should unport
that easily. And, it didn't over rev-the RPM dropped which doesn't make sense
with the prop I have.
Dave
Doug Rozendaal wrote:
>
> Typical single engine C/S prop installations use governor oil pressure to
> push the prop to high pitch/low rpm. When the engine oil pressure drops,
> the governor cannot supply pressure and the prop rpm increases. Typical
> aerobatic propellor installations operate in the opposite way, governor
> pressure drives the propellor to low pitch/ high rpm. This prevents
> over-reving associated with negative "G" operations. A Christen System will
> reduce these excursions, but still there are places where the oil pump will
> take a swallow of air.
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
> dougr(at)petroblend.com
> www.petroblend.com\dougr
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Bristol <bj034(at)lafn.org>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:17 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Oil pressure?
>
> >
> > Today I pushed over a little more abruptly than usual (about -1/2 G) and
> > got an RPM change that I didn't expect! It got quite rough and the rpm
> > fluctuated by about 200. It's an 0-360 with a constant speed prop and
> > Airflow Performance injection system. I'm sure it's not a fuel problem
> > since the tanks were full ($71 worth!). It seems to me that it's
> > probably the oil pickup that is unporting and getting a gulp of air,
> > since the oil pressure also fluctuates. I repeated it 4-5 times and it
> > acts the same every time.
> > Has anyone had a similar problem? Lycomings are new to me, most of my
> > time is behind Franklins an Continental's.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com> |
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| Subject: | Version 2.0 Experimental Panel Builder |
Version 2.0 of the Experimental Panel Builder is up and running. The
response to Version 1.0 was almost overwhelming and we received many
requests for additional panels and instruments. We've tried to
accommodate as many as possible but if we've missed something please let
us know by clicking on the "Request New Panels" or "Request New
Instruments" link.
After we published version 1.0 fellow RV List member, RV-8 Builder
(soon to be RV-7 builder) and web master extraordinaire, Jared Boone
(Portland, OR) offered us some suggestions on how we could make things
work a little better. I had some discussions with Jared via email and
even tossed back a brewski or two with him on a recent visit to
Portland. Jared took time out of his busy work schedule (guess what he
does for a living) and helped turn out the version of code that you see
here. Truly remarkable and Bill and I owe him a lot of thanks.
So what's new?
First, you can now save your work. Yes, that's right. After creating a
panel, all you have to do is log out or go to another web page. The
next time you log in you're panel will still be right there were you
left off. Neat.
Space saving organization. Drop down menu's allow you to select the
panel you're interested and the category of instruments your interested
in working on. This saves space and makes creating panels easier.
Duplicate items. Now you can drag as many items onto the panel as you
like. Just keep dragging them up there. You want lots of circuit
breaker and switches. Just keep dragging them up.
If you don't like an instrument then just drag it off the panel and it
goes away. Don't like any of your work and want to start over? Just
hit the reset button.
Because of all the code changes, the time it takes for the initial page
to load has been greatly reduced because it doesn't have to load all the
images at once.
After the last version was published we received a ton or requests for
additional panels and equipment. This is where Bill Vondane came to the
rescue.
Bill jumped into action and developed no less than 20, yes 20, new
panels and added many more instruments. After Jared modified the code
to make the new changes possible, Bill had to add all the new data, and
modify things to get it published. Bill also created the user interface
and "Tips" page to help makes things a little clearer.
Bill and Jared have graciously donated LOTS of time and effort to bring
this tool to it's present state. Remember, these guys both have planes
to build and busy jobs and families to take care of.
Enjoy the updated version and let us know what you think.
Alas, there is a downside. For all those Microsoft haters out there,
this new version is even LESS Netscape friendly than the pervious
version. At this time, due to the methods used to create some of the
features, ONLY Internet Explore 5.5 can be used to access the new
features. Jared is working on making it compatible with earlier
versions of Internet Explorer so until that time, the earlier version
1.0 is still available to use.
We're talking about developing some techniques that will allow ALL
browsers to work but that's still a ways off as time and energy permits.
Check it out. http://sonexlinks.com/panelbuilder/ or link to it from
my page http://bmnellis.com or Bills page http://vondane.com/rv8a
Guess what? It's still free! What a country.
Mike Nellis
Stinson 108-2 N9666K
RV-6 N699BM (reserved)
Plainfield, IL (LOT)
http://bmnellis.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)AOL.COM |
In a message dated 3/27/01 4:30:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
houndsfour(at)mediaone.net writes:
<< Has anyone heard if propeller manufacture by the name of
Hendrickson-Rowbear of Woodstock, Illinois is still in business? Their
telephone number has
been disconnected. >>
Contact info is listed in the Yeller Pages.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV)
vanremog(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frank and Dorothy <frankv(at)infogen.net.nz> |
Chris & Susie wrote:
> Ok Guys where does the canopy lock go? The one with the key I mean. RV6
> Tip up canopy.
George O shows it in his video --- put it on the L side, so that the
'tongue' that turns with the key goes into a slot in the release handle.
When the lock and tongue are in the locked position, the tongue stops
the handle from moving, and consequently stops the canopy from opening.
Frank.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil pressure? |
Could you have two things happening here?
1. oil pickup unports, and
2. carburetor stops carbureting due to fuel in float bowl moving to
the top. That could explain the rpm drop.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/rv8.html
>
>Thanks Doug, but the question actually is whether the oil pickup should unport
>that easily. And, it didn't over rev-the RPM dropped which doesn't make sense
>with the prop I have.
>
>Dave
>
>Doug Rozendaal wrote:
>
>>
>> Typical single engine C/S prop installations use governor oil pressure to
>> push the prop to high pitch/low rpm. When the engine oil pressure drops,
>> the governor cannot supply pressure and the prop rpm increases. Typical
>> aerobatic propellor installations operate in the opposite way, governor
>> pressure drives the propellor to low pitch/ high rpm. This prevents
>> over-reving associated with negative "G" operations. A Christen System will
>> reduce these excursions, but still there are places where the oil pump will
>> take a swallow of air.
>>
>> Tailwinds,
>> Doug Rozendaal
>> dougr(at)petroblend.com
>> www.petroblend.com\dougr
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dave Bristol <bj034(at)lafn.org>
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:17 PM
>> Subject: RV-List: Oil pressure?
>>
>> >
>> > Today I pushed over a little more abruptly than usual (about -1/2 G) and
>> > got an RPM change that I didn't expect! It got quite rough and the rpm
>> > fluctuated by about 200. It's an 0-360 with a constant speed prop and
>> > Airflow Performance injection system. I'm sure it's not a fuel problem
>> > since the tanks were full ($71 worth!). It seems to me that it's
>> > probably the oil pickup that is unporting and getting a gulp of air,
>> > since the oil pressure also fluctuates. I repeated it 4-5 times and it
>> > acts the same every time.
>> > Has anyone had a similar problem? Lycomings are new to me, most of my
>> > time is behind Franklins an Continental's.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BERNIE KERR" <KERRJB(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Places to Visit in FL(cheap gas at KOBE) |
>
> There's cheap gas at OBE--Okeechobee--north end of Lake Okeechobee--it's
> part of the Indian Reservation so there's no Federal tax.
>
Boyd,
Alex the line man there says that the Indians do not own anything at the
airport. An FBO owner in SE Fla owns the OBE FBO and gets a break on the gas
by buying in quantity which allows him to make big bucks on the gas he sells
at the "GOLD COAST" FBO.
Charlie Kuss is responsible for the theory that the Indians owned it and did
not pay tax and I thought it to be correct until I talked to Alex.
Bernie Kerr, 6A, 90 hours, SE Fla
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Dysinger" <larrykdysinger(at)hotmail.com> |
AeroElectric-List(at)matronics.com, Aviation-List(at)matronics.com,
Avionics-List(at)matronics.com, EZ-List(at)matronics.com,
Glasair-List(at)matronics.com, Homebuilt-List(at)matronics.com,
Kolb-List(at)matronics.com, Lancair-List(at)matronics.com,
Pitts-List(at)matronics.com, Rocket-List(at)matronics.com,
RVCanada-List(at)matronics.com, RVEurope-List(at)matronics.com,
Sonerai-List(at)matronics.com, Tailwind-List(at)matronics.com,
Zenith-List(at)matronics.com, BostonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com,
oregon-rvlist(at)yahoogroups.com, RV-6and6A(at)yahoogroups.com,
SEFlaRVbuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
| Subject: | Re: [rv8list] Version 2.0 Experimental Panel Builder |
Mike,
That is great work. And thanks for sharing it with your fellow listers.
Larry
RV-8QB - Fuselage
From: "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com>
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Subject: [rv8list] Version 2.0 Experimental Panel Builder
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:00:08 -0600
Version 2.0 of the Experimental Panel Builder is up and running. The
response to Version 1.0 was almost overwhelming and we received many
requests for additional panels and instruments. We've tried to accommodate
as many as possible but if we've missed something please let us know by
clicking on the "Request New Panels" or "Request New Instruments" link.
After we published version 1.0 fellow RV List member, RV-8 Builder (soon to
be RV-7 builder) and web master extraordinaire, Jared Boone (Portland, OR)
offered us some suggestions on how we could make things work a little
better. I had some discussions with Jared via email and even tossed back a
brewski or two with him on a recent visit to Portland. Jared took time out
of his busy work schedule (guess what he does for a living) and helped turn
out the version of code that you see here. Truly remarkable and Bill and I
owe him a lot of thanks.
So what's new?
First, you can now save your work. Yes, that's right. After creating a
panel, all you have to do is log out or go to another web page. The next
time you log in you're panel will still be right there were you left off.
Neat.
Space saving organization. Drop down menu's allow you to select the panel
you're interested and the category of instruments your interested in working
on. This saves space and makes creating panels easier.
Duplicate items. Now you can drag as many items onto the panel as you like.
Just keep dragging them up there. You want lots of circuit breaker and
switches. Just keep dragging them up.
If you don't like an instrument then just drag it off the panel and it goes
away. Don't like any of your work and want to start over? Just hit the
reset button.
Because of all the code changes, the time it takes for the initial page to
load has been greatly reduced because it doesn't have to load all the images
at once.
After the last version was published we received a ton or requests for
additional panels and equipment. This is where Bill Vondane came to the
rescue.
Bill jumped into action and developed no less than 20, yes 20, new panels
and added many more instruments. After Jared modified the code to make the
new changes possible, Bill had to add all the new data, and modify things to
get it published. Bill also created the user interface and "Tips" page to
help makes things a little clearer.
Bill and Jared have graciously donated LOTS of time and effort to bring this
tool to it's present state. Remember, these guys both have planes to build
and busy jobs and families to take care of.
Enjoy the updated version and let us know what you think.
Alas, there is a downside. For all those Microsoft haters out there, this
new version is even LESS Netscape friendly than the pervious version. At
this time, due to the methods used to create some of the features, ONLY
Internet Explore 5.5 can be used to access the new features. Jared is
working on making it compatible with earlier versions of Internet Explorer
so until that time, the earlier version 1.0 is still available to use.
We're talking about developing some techniques that will allow ALL browsers
to work but that's still a ways off as time and energy permits.
Check it out. http://sonexlinks.com/panelbuilder/ or link to it from my
page http://bmnellis.com or Bills page http://vondane.com/rv8a
Guess what? It's still free! What a country.
Mike Nellis
Stinson 108-2 N9666K
RV-6 N699BM (reserved)
Plainfield, IL (LOT)
http://bmnellis.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pat Perry" <pperryrv(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-4 control cable routing |
Scott,
In my -4 I mounted the throttle quadrant on a sub-panel. I didn't like the
design putting it high on the rail. I used a similar design to what is in a
-8. The quadrant ends up looking like it is part of the trim lever
mechanism which is mounted right behind the throttle and miture, the
mechanism of both systems is hidden by the box mount for the quadrant.
I used a piece of .40 aluminum and bent it to make a box mount between the
spar attach bulkhead (404?)and the 402(?) Bulkhead (I'm not sure if I have
the numbers right). I riveted it to the bulkheads so I didn't have to add
rivets to the outside skin. I mounted the quadrant in a position where I
could use the 402 bulkhead as a cable mount then ran the cables stright
forward and up going through the firewall just above the left mount of the
left rudder pedal. THe cables curve down around the front of the toe-box to
a position behind the carb. One of them had to go behind the angled cross
member of the engine/gear mount between the gearlegs to get a good shallow
angle on the cable bracket mounted to the carb. I had to make an extention
for the Vans cable bracket to mount one of the cables since it was too close
to the carb and couldn't get full range.
I don't have any pictures to send from this PC but I'll try to remember and
send some later. I like the position and look of the way I mounted it.
Pat Perry
Dallas, PA
RV-4 N154PK Wings mounted and fit work getting done, upholtery done, wiring
done, paint done, I'm getting close now.
>From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: RV-4 control cable routing
>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:29:50 -0800
>
>
>
>Can anybody tell me how they routed their control cables on an RV-4. I'm
>using the cable bracket Van's sells and also Van's 3 lever throttle
>quadrant
>mounted on left side of cockpit. Also any details about how you anchored
>the control cable at the throttle quadrant end would be helpful as well.
>
>Thanks!
>
>--
>Scott VanArtsdalen, MCSE, CCNA
>Network Administrator
>Union Safe Deposit Bank
>209-946-5116
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Norman Hunger" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
> Ok Guys where does the canopy lock go? The one with the key I mean. RV6
> > Tip up canopy.
RV6 Tip Up Canopy - I have seen a few planes with a hole drilled in the tab
of the latch that sticks out of the fuselage side. A small padlock fits on
nicely.
Those small locks that swing a tab 90 degrees can be picked with a couple of
paperclips or forced with a screwdriver.
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scot Stambaugh <sstambaugh(at)qualcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
I saw somebody's web site recently who had control cables with a green
covering. They appeared to be very nice although I have no idea of the
functional quality by just looking at the picture. Does anybody know what
type of cables these might be and if they are any good?
scot
>
>I would wait. Also, Vans are made by ACS and are cheaper. The only
>difference is that the ones from ACS have a longer throw and are not
>covered. I posted a "product comparison" a few weeks ago.
>
>Ross
>
>
> > I was thinking of getting my control cables
> > prop-Mixture Carb heat etc.. from A.Spruce; I do not
> > have my engine yet. Will be a Lyc. 320 150 hp.
> > Has any one purchase the control cables before, engine
> > if so, what lengts should these be...I understand
> > one should get the correct length..
> >
> > Or I must wait until I have engine?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
scott
i got my cables from vans and they have a green coating on them and yes they
do work smoothly.
scott
tampa
rv6a finishing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
KY197 TSO S/N 78122 P/N 064-1021-00 Mods 1-3,5,6,9,10,12,14,15
Can anybody tell me what the mods are all about and how they would compare
this unit to the SL-40?
Greg Tanner
RV-9A Empennage
SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Don Jordan <dons6a(at)juno.com> |
Call Alex Doninicis in Arlington. 817-465-3042.
Don Jordan RV6A Arlington, Tx
*****************************************
>
>
> I just finished building a RV6, and now have another problem. It is
> time to
> fly but the insurance company says i need a RV checkout via a flight
> instructor to be covered. The factory pilot is booked up until MAY.
> !! I
> have a tailwheel end. and am current. Just need to pickup a RV6
> checkout.
> Can anyone HELP? Tulsa Oklahoma area would be best, but i will fly
> to where
> ever is necessary. I will also pay for your trouble. Thanks
>
> Dustin Norlund
> RV6 - Taxi tested, FAA blessed, ready to go..
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Don Jordan <dons6a(at)juno.com> |
George's finish vedio covers it. you notch the C-607 latch handle along
with the two angles so the locking ear will stick through. The key is in
the side skin.
Don Jordan RV6A Arlington, Tx
*****************************************
writes:
>
> Ok Guys where does the canopy lock go? The one with the key I mean.
> RV6
> Tip up canopy.
> Anyone got a picture? Can't find anything on archives.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris. Aus.
> RV6 Finishing kit
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John" <fasching(at)amigo.net> |
I once used a filler that came in two parts, Part A and Part B, they were
mixed in a two-to-one ratio and had a yellow color. The stuff dried very
quickly and could be sanded easily within 20 minutes or so, and was tough as
nails.
I can't recall what it was and want to get some more...was it Super Fil?
the key idea is that it is yellow when mixed. Any help out there?
Rv6A Flying Salida, CO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ross Mickey" <rmickey(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Control cables |
> I saw somebody's web site recently who had control cables with a green
> covering. They appeared to be very nice although I have no idea of the
> functional quality by just looking at the picture. Does anybody know what
> type of cables these might be and if they are any good?
Vans cables have a green covering.
Ross
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randall Henderson" <randallh(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-3 for sale |
> I've got a friend (yes, I actually do) here in paradise that has an RV-3
for
> sale.
[snip]
Okay guys, here's what we need to do: everyone pitch in and buy this thing.
And keep it where it is. Get some work parties over there to finish it up.
Then we'll have an RV to fly when we go to Hawaii! Insurance? Aw who needs
it. Maintenance? We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Hangar? There's
got to be SOME old shack we can store this thing in for free...
Oh well, it was just a thought.... :-) :-) :-)
Randall
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randall Henderson" <randallh(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-7 and others |
> Are Vans demos built at location or are they built from quickbuild kits in
> the Phillipines like the production units?
Van's demo planes are generally first-of-their-kind prototypes, built at
Van's factory by his very skilled and experienced prototype/maintenance
crew.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~200 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Wiechman" <toddwiechman(at)hotmail.com> |
Tail kit, wing kit, and fuselage kit.
Tail complete minus fiberglass, firewall, spars, and F-604 completed.
Everything primered inside. A&P IA built in Wichita Kansas. Must sale due to
buying nearly completed RV-4..
Can build to suit for you (help you that is). Asking $8500.00. Please
contact me online or offline at 316-721-5670 or 316-210-5670(cell) and ask
for Todd.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Wiechman" <toddwiechman(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RV-4 JIG FOR FREE!! |
RV-4 jig is yours for free. Pick up in Wichita Kansas.Contact me online or
offline at 316-721-5670 or 316-210-5670(cell) and ask for Todd.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Keith Hughes" <rv6tc(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | LED dimming help |
OK, Uncle.
I have searched the archives, the internet (to include Aero Electric Bob's
site) and anywhere else I could think of. I'm searching for a dimmer that
will dim the LED map lights that Van sells. After hours of work, I built
the circuit that was in March's edition of Kitplanes, but it won't dim the
lights. I'm an electric novice (as you can tell), but I would like to put
independent dimming circuits in the plane.
If there are any of you guys that "dabble" in electric circuits, especially
ones that would be "Level 1" complexity, would you please tell my where I
can find a reliable one.
Thanks,
Keith Hughes
RV-6 Fuselage
Parker, CO (collector, base, emitter????? Geeeeeze......)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bryan McFarland" <mcfarland_bryan(at)hotmail.com> |
I have just returned from my pilgrimage to Oregon. The -7 is alive and
is flying. The preview manual is not out yet. I was told that they possibly will
have to "UPS" to fun in the sun. I was not able to going flying in it as they
were doing so slight modification work and the weather was a tad bit down on
the deck.
They are assembling the spar, predrilling everything else and have the panel prepunched.
The -6 empennage retro fit skins are price at $105. and change this is for the
.020 skins.
The following prices are off the order sheet that I received while I was
drooling.
preview 50.00
empennage kit 1370.00
wing kit 5175.00
fuselage-7 5500.00
-7A5000.00
finish kit -7 4225.00
-7A 5030.00
Hope that this helps anyone out that was thinking of the change and
that wants one.
Bryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John and Laura Jordan" <jrjordan(at)tcinternet.net> |
test
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Louis Willig <larywil(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | The Good, The bad, and The ugly |
Hi gang,
Took my -4 up today in the very early morning calm air so that I could
practice some aerobatics. It took me two weeks, but I worked up my
confidence to do my first ever solo hammerhead. It wasn't too bad and
couldn't resist doing a few more. They were cheaters (I didn't really slow
up to nearly 0 airspeed) and I had to horse the thing around slowly. But
not bad for a beginner, so I treated my self to some slow rolls doing the
proper ( though not properly done) negative push when rolling through
inverted. Not too bad... Life was beautiful. Now......when I plan to do
some aerobatics, I make sure everything is secure. Today, however, I was
sloppy and ignorant of the fact that my rear seat bottom cushion is not
really secured to the floor by Velcro as are all the other cushions. By the
time I landed at Ocean City, NJ airport, the wind picked up to 10 knots
directly abeam the runway. So I was busy making a crosswind landing, and
when the time came to flare, I couldn't. Period. I had plenty of stick to
fly and maneuver and round out. But the last 2 or 3 inches needed to flare
were gone. Somehow, before I realized what was happening, she settled in
for a decent landing. But I knew something was wrong, and I knew I was
lucky to walk away (Or at least lucky to still have a perfectly good
aircraft). Upon examination, I found the rear seat cushion fell from its
appointed position and wedged into an unusual position --- just enough to
keep the stick from going all the way back.
We have all hard of this happening to someone else. Well, it happened to me
and I am usually very careful about curing things in the back seat area.
Here's what happened: I am going on a three week trip and won't be able to
fly my -4 untill I return. I was so eager to get in some flying during
these last few days of good weather that I became sloppy and grossly
negligent. Period. No excuses.
Louis I. Willig
larywil(at)home.com
RV-4, N180PF, 70 hrs. and climbing fast
I0-360, Hartzell C/S
(610) 668-4964
Penn Valley, PA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RocketPilot2Be(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List: Re: [rv8list] Version 2.0 Experimental Panel |
Builder
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(Hey, listers, shouldn't we throw a dollar in the hat for Mike ??????)
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Cary, North Carolina
(919) 412 6221
Sitting on the fence with my $$$
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ENewton57(at)AOL.COM |
I have dumb beginner's question for the list and couldn't find it in the
archives. I just installed my throttle cable and ran it back and forth to
check for smoothness and stop to stop travel.
Question: Is it only supposed to move 1 1/2" from stop to stop? That seems
awfully short. The carb is a MA-4SPA and the cable is Vans Vernier throttle
cable attached to the carb via rod end bearing. I only see one hole in the
carb throttle arm to attach to.
This seams so short compared to when I fly the Cessna 172 that has the same
engine. May be just my imagination.
Thanks,
Eric Newton - Long Beach, Mississippi
RV-6A N57ME (Reserved) (Finish Kit)
http://www.ericsrv6a.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Matthew Mucker" <mmucker(at)airmail.net> |
, ,
, ,
, ,
, ,
, ,
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Rocket-List: Re: [rv8list] Version 2.0 Experimental |
Panel Builder
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-Matt
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
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> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rocket-List: Re: [rv8list] Version 2.0
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>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: RocketPilot2Be(at)aol.com
>
> Mike,
> wonderful job. Thanks a lot !!!
>
> (Hey, listers, shouldn't we throw a dollar in the hat for Mike ??????)
>
> /Hans Altena
> Cary, North Carolina
> (919) 412 6221
> Sitting on the fence with my $$$
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill VonDane" <n8vd(at)earthlink.net> |
"Rv8list(at)Egroups.Com" ,
"Rv-List(at)Matronics.Com"
| Subject: | Re: RE: AeroElectric-List: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Rocket-List: Re: |
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker"
I'm so impressed, that if someone'll give me an address, I'll pitch in TWO
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-Matt
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: The Good, The bad, and The ugly |
| From: | james freeman <flyeyes(at)bellsouth.net> |
on 3/28/01 7:36 PM, Louis Willig at larywil(at)home.com wrote:
snip
>
> We have all hard of this happening to someone else. Well, it happened to me
> and I am usually very careful about curing things in the back seat area.
> Here's what happened: I am going on a three week trip and won't be able to
> fly my -4 untill I return. I was so eager to get in some flying during
> these last few days of good weather that I became sloppy and grossly
> negligent. Period. No excuses.
>
>
> Louis I. Willig
> larywil(at)home.com
>
Thank you Louis.
'nuff said.
James Freeman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Throttle Travel |
I had exactly the same question when I installed my throttle cable from
Van's. I also have a C172 and it seemed odd that with more horsepower I'd
have less throttle movement.
Now that I'm flying I am used to it. However, the Van's cable is pretty
rough in its action compared t the Cessna's-- sticks a bit when I'm trying
to get my electronic tach to read exactly 1700 RPM for mag test. It just
isn't as smooth as the C172.
Dennis Persyk 6A N600DP about 58 hours
Hampshire, IL 68IS (C38)
-----Original Message-----
From: ENewton57(at)AOL.COM <ENewton57(at)AOL.COM>
Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:29 PM
Subject: RV-List: Throttle Travel
>
>I have dumb beginner's question for the list and couldn't find it in the
>archives. I just installed my throttle cable and ran it back and forth to
>check for smoothness and stop to stop travel.
>Question: Is it only supposed to move 1 1/2" from stop to stop? That
seems
>awfully short. The carb is a MA-4SPA and the cable is Vans Vernier
throttle
>cable attached to the carb via rod end bearing. I only see one hole in the
>carb throttle arm to attach to.
>This seams so short compared to when I fly the Cessna 172 that has the same
>engine. May be just my imagination.
>Thanks,
>Eric Newton - Long Beach, Mississippi
>RV-6A N57ME (Reserved) (Finish Kit)
>http://www.ericsrv6a.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vince Welch" <vwelch(at)knownet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Can't Remember |
Can't help you with the brand that you are looking for but Superfil
is blue.
Vince Welch
RV-8A Fuselage
Roaming Shores, Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <fasching(at)amigo.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 4:17 PM
Subject: RV-List: Can't Remember
>
> I once used a filler that came in two parts, Part A and Part B,
they were
> mixed in a two-to-one ratio and had a yellow color. The stuff dried
very
> quickly and could be sanded easily within 20 minutes or so, and was
tough as
> nails.
>
> I can't recall what it was and want to get some more...was it Super
Fil?
> the key idea is that it is yellow when mixed. Any help out there?
> Rv6A Flying Salida, CO
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson(at)usjet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Throttle Travel |
My thoughts on the vernier throttle, etc., cables that Van's sell's:
The green covered cable, big black knob vernier, is made by some outfit
called Tuthill. I believe these are the same type as the manual trim cable.
I was very underwhelmed with this control (I'm being polite). Seemed to be
some sort of eccentricity in the knob, causing varying friction as it
rotated. I sent it back to Van's.
The ACS verniers sold by Van's have barely enough travel when held straight,
and probably not enough when curved at all (every curve in the cable reduces
total travel, it doesn't just offset it). The problem of insufficient
travel seems to keep showing up on this list.
I would recommend ordering cables direct from ACS, with generous travels.
They built custom cables for me in only a few days. They probably are in
the Yeller Pages.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
6A
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: The Good, The bad, and The ugly |
Most people remove everything loose from the cabin when doing flip-flops.
Pencils, Pens, maps, bill folds, tie-downs, etc. The FAA even tried to bust
Delmar Benjamin in his BeeGee when he was ramped checked and didn't have his
documentation on his person. It was in his car. After a heated discussion,
the FAA man relented. So leaving seat cushions behind might be a good idea.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Willig" <larywil(at)home.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 7:36 PM
Subject: RV-List: The Good, The bad, and The ugly
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Took my -4 up today in the very early morning calm air so that I could
> practice some aerobatics. It took me two weeks, but I worked up my
> confidence to do my first ever solo hammerhead. It wasn't too bad and
> couldn't resist doing a few more. They were cheaters (I didn't really slow
> up to nearly 0 airspeed) and I had to horse the thing around slowly. But
> not bad for a beginner, so I treated my self to some slow rolls doing the
> proper ( though not properly done) negative push when rolling through
> inverted. Not too bad... Life was beautiful. Now......when I plan to do
> some aerobatics, I make sure everything is secure. Today, however, I was
> sloppy and ignorant of the fact that my rear seat bottom cushion is not
> really secured to the floor by Velcro as are all the other cushions. By
the
> time I landed at Ocean City, NJ airport, the wind picked up to 10 knots
> directly abeam the runway. So I was busy making a crosswind landing, and
> when the time came to flare, I couldn't. Period. I had plenty of stick to
> fly and maneuver and round out. But the last 2 or 3 inches needed to flare
> were gone. Somehow, before I realized what was happening, she settled in
> for a decent landing. But I knew something was wrong, and I knew I was
> lucky to walk away (Or at least lucky to still have a perfectly good
> aircraft). Upon examination, I found the rear seat cushion fell from its
> appointed position and wedged into an unusual position --- just enough to
> keep the stick from going all the way back.
>
> We have all hard of this happening to someone else. Well, it happened to
me
> and I am usually very careful about curing things in the back seat area.
> Here's what happened: I am going on a three week trip and won't be able to
> fly my -4 untill I return. I was so eager to get in some flying during
> these last few days of good weather that I became sloppy and grossly
> negligent. Period. No excuses.
>
>
> Louis I. Willig
> larywil(at)home.com
> RV-4, N180PF, 70 hrs. and climbing fast
> I0-360, Hartzell C/S
> (610) 668-4964
> Penn Valley, PA
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Burton" <dburton(at)nwlink.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The Good, The bad, and The ugly |
Glad it worked out Louis. We all can learn from this kind of story. I have
a friend who took off in his Fouga and at altitude found out that he could
not control it. He declared an emergency and headed off over the water
(Puget Sound). He blew off the canopy and was thinking "my wife is going to
kill me" as he unbuckled and started to push out of the cockpit. Standing
on the rudder he found that he could control the plane and after
experimenting decided to land. This is a guy who is maybe one of the best
pilots in the world. He managed an uneventful landing and after pulling up
the floorboards to investigate the problem with the stick, found a canon
plug some technician had cut off a radio years ago had jammed the controls.
This part had been rattling around in there for years. The plane had gone
through several annuals while he had owned it and no one had caught it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Willig" <larywil(at)home.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 5:36 PM
Subject: RV-List: The Good, The bad, and The ugly
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Took my -4 up today in the very early morning calm air so that I could
> practice some aerobatics. It took me two weeks, but I worked up my
> confidence to do my first ever solo hammerhead. It wasn't too bad and
> couldn't resist doing a few more. They were cheaters (I didn't really slow
> up to nearly 0 airspeed) and I had to horse the thing around slowly. But
> not bad for a beginner, so I treated my self to some slow rolls doing the
> proper ( though not properly done) negative push when rolling through
> inverted. Not too bad... Life was beautiful. Now......when I plan to do
> some aerobatics, I make sure everything is secure. Today, however, I was
> sloppy and ignorant of the fact that my rear seat bottom cushion is not
> really secured to the floor by Velcro as are all the other cushions. By
the
> time I landed at Ocean City, NJ airport, the wind picked up to 10 knots
> directly abeam the runway. So I was busy making a crosswind landing, and
> when the time came to flare, I couldn't. Period. I had plenty of stick to
> fly and maneuver and round out. But the last 2 or 3 inches needed to flare
> were gone. Somehow, before I realized what was happening, she settled in
> for a decent landing. But I knew something was wrong, and I knew I was
> lucky to walk away (Or at least lucky to still have a perfectly good
> aircraft). Upon examination, I found the rear seat cushion fell from its
> appointed position and wedged into an unusual position --- just enough to
> keep the stick from going all the way back.
>
> We have all hard of this happening to someone else. Well, it happened to
me
> and I am usually very careful about curing things in the back seat area.
> Here's what happened: I am going on a three week trip and won't be able to
> fly my -4 untill I return. I was so eager to get in some flying during
> these last few days of good weather that I became sloppy and grossly
> negligent. Period. No excuses.
>
>
> Louis I. Willig
> larywil(at)home.com
> RV-4, N180PF, 70 hrs. and climbing fast
> I0-360, Hartzell C/S
> (610) 668-4964
> Penn Valley, PA
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
"RV-List: RE: AeroElectric-List: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Rocket-List: Re: [rv8list]
Version 2.0 Experimental Panel Builder" (Mar 28, 7:22pm)
rocket-list(at)matronics.com, aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: | Re: Version 2.0 Experimental Panel Builder |
I've just made my contribution to Mike Nellis' great effort. Have you?
Paypal was painless and quick. Give it a try.
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
>--------------
>
>Here you go...
>
>Experimental Panel Builder Donations...
>http://sonexlinks.com/panelbuilder/donate.htm
>
>-Bill
>
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matthew Mucker"
>
>
>I'm so impressed, that if someone'll give me an address, I'll pitch in TWO
>dollars!
>
>-Matt
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| From: | "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Ray Allen Trim System |
As most of you may know, the former Menzimer Aircraft Components (MAC
Servos that come with Vans electric trim systems) was recently bought
out and renamed Ray Allen Company.
I've had several conversations in the past with Menzimer Aircraft and I
was concerned that my contacts there would change and I wouldn't get the
same sort of service as I have in the past.
Those concerns were unjustified. It seems that the eldest owner of
Menzimer Aircraft wanted to retire and has sold the business to his
sons. The middle names of the two sons are (you guessed it) Ray and
Allen. It turns out that Gary (the Ray of Ray Allen) is the same person
that I have been dealing with for the past several years, he's still
there answering the phones personally.
If any of you were curious and concerned, as I was, that is the story.
Mike Nellis
Stinson 108-2 N9666K
RV-6 N699BM (reserved)
Plainfield, IL (LOT)
http://bmnellis.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JDaniel343(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: AN Fitting Question |
I believe AN fittings by definition mean 37 deg.
John Danielson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Meketa" <acgm(at)gvtc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter for O-360 Fuel Injection |
Hello Yall
I purchased the filter for an IO360 from FLOW EZY FILTERS. -
1-800-237-1165. Web site is www.flowezy.com Look in the racing
filter section.
There are two designs that will work.
The first is the ILA series that is compact and available with built in AN-6
ends. It comes in five different micron sizes, flows 120 gallons per hour
and has a cleanable element. The drawback is that the filter area is only
one square inch. Not enough for me, but may be OK if each tank had one and
they were checked regularly.
I purchased the 4ILA series filter. It is larger and only comes with pipe
threaded
inlet\outlet. It comes in seven micron sizes, flows 240 gallons per hour,
has a cleanable element, and has a 20 square inch filter area. I used 74
micron with 1\4 inch pipe thread ends and a viton seal.
P\N-41LA-02-74-F3-BK.
They also have mounting brackets for the filter, but do not get them. I
bought a set and returned them. Way too heavy.
George Meketa
RV-8 IO360 CS wiring panel
>
> I am trying to find a source for fuel filters. I need a filter that
> filters to 120 microns and flows at 20 gph.
>
> Anyone have a source? Would appreciate Manufacturer/Model Number if you
> do.
->
> Thanks,
> Dennis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Norman Hunger" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-7 and others |
> Are Vans demos built at location or are they built from quickbuild kits in
> the Phillipines like the production units?
The Philippine production has only been going on for around for five years.
I toured the factory when I bought my empennage kit. They showed us the very
first batch of quickbuilds that had arrived. They offered them for sale
shortly thereafter. During that tour we drove across the highway to Van's
property that has his house, his airstrip, and his prototype shop. I
understand this used to be his factory until expansion had him acquire
facilities nearby in North Plains. The prototype shop is where all the
factory aircraft were built. At that time I believe Van had a Bonanza as
well. I don't know if Van has now moved everything to his new factory.
Could some one closer please add/correct this history?
Were the RV9's and RV7 built in Oregon?
Has Van moved his residence towards the new factory?
How far of a drive is it for staff members still living in North Plains to
work?
Does Van make all the kit pieces in Oregon then send them to the
Philippines?
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George McNutt" <gmcnutt(at)intergate.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: AN Fitting Question |
Subject: Re: RV-List: AN Fitting Question
I was in a hydraulic shop this afternoon and found a -6 AN (JIC) 90 degree
elbow with a swivel nut on one end.
This fitting would be perfect where the fuel line bulkhead fitting comes
through the firewall and needs to make a right angle turn to the gascolator
which will be about four inches further inboard on the firewall.
Question for you fitting folks, is there any problem with using a steel
hydraulic fitting between the aluminum bulkhead fitting and the aluminum
fuel line?
George McNutt
Langley, B.C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Pardue" <n5lp(at)carlsbad.net> |
| Subject: | Re: LED Map Lights from Vans |
>
> If mounted at the top of an RV6 tip up canopy frame; would the LED Map
Light
> be bright enough to read a map?
>
Yes
> Would two of them be bright enough to light the panel as backup lights?
>
Yes
> Do they stay firm and locked in position or do they vibrate loose?
>
They stay in place.
I use two of these lights for all my panel lighting (some things are
internally lighted). They are mounted ahead of my arms on the cockpit
sides, and I find them very satisfactory. These two led lights give my
airplane much better lighting than I have observed on most factory built
airplanes I have flown.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Shook" <billshook(at)earthlink.net> |
Ed Hicks told me homebuilts CAN NOT fly IFR under any circumstances, nor at
night, nor over major citys...in the UK. Those brits...they're crazy.
Bill
-4 wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Norman Hunger" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: comm
>
> > There is no rule requiring 2 comms for IFR.
>
> There is in Canada and I suspect in many other countries. Canadian
> homebuilders have only been permitted to fly IFR since April of 96. Before
> then it was illegal. I also suspect that it still is in many countries.
>
> The RV List is an international community.
>
> Norman Hunger
> RV6A Delta BC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric.J.Henson(at)chase.com |
03/29/2001 08:30:56 AM
One of the local QB builders just got back from the Phillipenes and he
toured the factory. Might have even seen his QB being built. I was suprised
to learn that the QB factory also builds the Murphy QB aircraft (Rebel and
Super Rebel).
Hey Willie, don't be shy, how about giving us the rundown on your tour. I
know your'e lurking.
Eric
"Norman Hunger" (at)matronics.com on 03/29/2001 02:12:16 AM
Please respond to rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
cc:
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 and others
> Are Vans demos built at location or are they built from quickbuild kits
in
> the Phillipines like the production units?
The Philippine production has only been going on for around for five years.
I toured the factory when I bought my empennage kit. They showed us the
very
first batch of quickbuilds that had arrived. They offered them for sale
shortly thereafter. During that tour we drove across the highway to Van's
property that has his house, his airstrip, and his prototype shop. I
understand this used to be his factory until expansion had him acquire
facilities nearby in North Plains. The prototype shop is where all the
factory aircraft were built. At that time I believe Van had a Bonanza as
well. I don't know if Van has now moved everything to his new factory.
Could some one closer please add/correct this history?
Were the RV9's and RV7 built in Oregon?
Has Van moved his residence towards the new factory?
How far of a drive is it for staff members still living in North Plains to
work?
Does Van make all the kit pieces in Oregon then send them to the
Philippines?
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "C J Heitman" <cjh(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | AN Fitting Question |
George,
If you would prefer an ALUMINUM swivel elbow, I just bought one from:
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/ It was part no. 3284-06. They also carry
aluminum tees with a swivel nut on either the run or the branch.
Chris Heitman
Dousman WI
RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
Canopy
http://www.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html
-----Original Message-----
I was in a hydraulic shop this afternoon and found a -6 AN (JIC) 90 degree
elbow with a swivel nut on one end.
This fitting would be perfect where the fuel line bulkhead fitting comes
through the firewall and needs to make a right angle turn to the gascolator
which will be about four inches further inboard on the firewall.
Question for you fitting folks, is there any problem with using a steel
hydraulic fitting between the aluminum bulkhead fitting and the aluminum
fuel line?
George McNutt
Langley, B.C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
| Subject: | RE: RV-List Digest: 44 Msgs - 03/28/01 |
Upon examination, I found the rear seat cushion fell from its
appointed position and wedged into an unusual position --- just enough to
keep the stick from going all the way back.
This is another good reason to install a crotch strap with your seatbelts.
It will help hold the rear seat cushions in place during acro.... of course,
you have to cinch the belts down before you fly away.
There are many other good reasons. Check the archives if you're a newbie.
It could save your life.
Vince in Indiana
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owens, Laird" <Owens(at)aerovironment.com> |
| Subject: | LED Map Lights from Vans |
Hi Norman,
I used 2 of the LED lights mounted on the center canopy frame of my slider to flood
the instrument panel. It's the only night lighting I have and works very
well (other that a spare mini MagLight). The only down side is if you look over
your sholder you can see into the lights. Not a big deal in actual flight.
They haven't vibrated loose yet and a single one would be fine for reading
a map.
I don't have them on a dimmer and there just right for me. I do quite a bit of
night flying and like the way it worked out.
Laird Owens RV-6 (flying the RV to the Bahamas for May, whoooohoooo!)
N515L, 185 hrs
O-360, Sensenich (83) (soon to be Hartzell)
Simi Valley, SoCal
From: rv-list(at)matronics.com on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 1:48 AM
Subject: RV-List: LED Map Lights from Vans
If mounted at the top of an RV6 tip up canopy frame; would the LED Map Light
be bright enough to read a map?
Would two of them be bright enough to light the panel as backup lights?
Do they stay firm and locked in position or do they vibrate loose?
Norman Hunger
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr(at)petroblend.com> |
| Subject: | Aerobatics was: The Good, The bad, and The ugly |
Lou,
Glad you are able to tell the story and proud of you that you are willing to
share it.
The guy I bought my -4 from was "cured" of aerobatics by exactly the same
scenario.
Remember the reason insurance is cheaper if you have more flight time. The
more hours you have the more times you have said, "I am NEVER gonna do that
again!"
Don't let this "cure" you of those hammerheads!!! The cracks on your rudder
are worth it!
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
www.petroblend.com/dougr
PS I changed the subject and did not delete your story so anyone who
searches "aerobatics" finds your story. This happens way too often. Spread
the word. Most of us are guilty of impromptu acro. The consequences can be
deadly from something as simple as poor housekeeping.
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Took my -4 up today in the very early morning calm air so that I could
> practice some aerobatics. It took me two weeks, but I worked up my
> confidence to do my first ever solo hammerhead. It wasn't too bad and
> couldn't resist doing a few more. They were cheaters (I didn't really slow
> up to nearly 0 airspeed) and I had to horse the thing around slowly. But
> not bad for a beginner, so I treated my self to some slow rolls doing the
> proper ( though not properly done) negative push when rolling through
> inverted. Not too bad... Life was beautiful. Now......when I plan to do
> some aerobatics, I make sure everything is secure. Today, however, I was
> sloppy and ignorant of the fact that my rear seat bottom cushion is not
> really secured to the floor by Velcro as are all the other cushions. By
the
> time I landed at Ocean City, NJ airport, the wind picked up to 10 knots
> directly abeam the runway. So I was busy making a crosswind landing, and
> when the time came to flare, I couldn't. Period. I had plenty of stick to
> fly and maneuver and round out. But the last 2 or 3 inches needed to flare
> were gone. Somehow, before I realized what was happening, she settled in
> for a decent landing. But I knew something was wrong, and I knew I was
> lucky to walk away (Or at least lucky to still have a perfectly good
> aircraft). Upon examination, I found the rear seat cushion fell from its
> appointed position and wedged into an unusual position --- just enough to
> keep the stick from going all the way back.
>
> We have all hard of this happening to someone else. Well, it happened to
me
> and I am usually very careful about curing things in the back seat area.
> Here's what happened: I am going on a three week trip and won't be able to
> fly my -4 untill I return. I was so eager to get in some flying during
> these last few days of good weather that I became sloppy and grossly
> negligent. Period. No excuses.
>
>
> Louis I. Willig
> larywil(at)home.com
> RV-4, N180PF, 70 hrs. and climbing fast
> I0-360, Hartzell C/S
> (610) 668-4964
> Penn Valley, PA
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: LED Map Lights from Vans |
I had a Van's LED light and sold it to another builder. I found that it was
too dim for me. The most serious problem I found though is that I couldn't
read sectional charts at night as they use lots of red and other colors that
are washed out in any source of red light.
My back up light is a $5.00 single D-cell swivel-on-two-axis light from the
local hardware store. It is Velcroed to the flip-up canopy frame and works
great!
Dennis Persyk N600DP -- only about 1.2 night hours so far
Hampshire, IL 68IS (C38)
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman Hunger <nhunger(at)sprint.ca>
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:44 AM
Subject: RV-List: LED Map Lights from Vans
>
>If mounted at the top of an RV6 tip up canopy frame; would the LED Map
Light
>be bright enough to read a map?
>
>Would two of them be bright enough to light the panel as backup lights?
>
>Do they stay firm and locked in position or do they vibrate loose?
>
>Norman Hunger
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rpflanze(at)iquest.net |
| Subject: | Re: LED Map Lights from Vans |
Under the heading of "things I'd do differently the next time" is to light my
cockpit the way Larry describes. I went the route of individual internal lights
and I'm not pleased with it. Besides requiring a couple of post lights for
the gyro instruments, I find the Rochester light units cheap and nearly ineffective.
The wiring gets quite cumbersome back there and is more complicated than it
really needs to be. I wish I'd opted for the simplicity and effectiveness of
the two rollover bar lights instead.
Randy Pflanzer N417G
RV-6 (127 hours)
>I use two of these lights for all my panel lighting (some things are
>internally lighted). They are mounted ahead of my arms on the cockpit
>sides, and I find them very satisfactory. These two led lights give my
>airplane much better lighting than I have observed on most factory built
>airplanes I have flown.
>
>Larry Pardue
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Norman Hunger" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Baggage Hold Downs |
> Does anyone have a "cookbook" solution for keeping baggage in its rightful
> place - sitting in the baggage compartment? I have visions of my SNF
camping
> gear migrating forward and getting under the flap handle, etc.
I have put nutplates in pairs all over the floor and sides of my luggage
compartment. The pairs all have their centers 1 1/4" apart. I will make
small metal plates with a ring welded in the middle for tie down positions.
The idea is
that I can move them around or completely remove them. I plan to scrounge
the auto wreckers for a cargo
net. I have seen some recent vans and SUV's with funky elastic good looking
cargo nets.
> Also, before SNF, I've gotta do some load carrying tests, but the idea of
> putting sandbags in the plane isn't too attractive (imagine if one
burst...
> aargh!). Is there a better solution?
Try looking up your local film production equipment rental house. You want
the Grip Department. Rent some of their sandbags. They should be 25 lbs
each. For more money you can rent 50 lb shot bags. Both are made of nice
tough material with good carrying straps. They will not break in your plane.
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: LED Map Lights from Vans |
Another consideration with the tipup: The centrally-located locking handle
on the canopy frame swings in a rour-inch arc. I extended my handle so it
can better trap the roll bar on one end and engage a slot for partially open
canopy during taxing. Now there is little room between the arc of the
handle and your (or passenger's) head to install the light. Installing the
light outboard of your head didn't work for me.
Dennis Persyk N600DP
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman Hunger <nhunger(at)sprint.ca>
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:44 AM
Subject: RV-List: LED Map Lights from Vans
>
>If mounted at the top of an RV6 tip up canopy frame; would the LED Map
Light
>be bright enough to read a map?
>
>Would two of them be bright enough to light the panel as backup lights?
>
>Do they stay firm and locked in position or do they vibrate loose?
>
>Norman Hunger
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SportAV8R(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List:Canopy egress item; was LED Map Lights from Vans |
In a message dated 03/29/2001 12:44:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net writes:
<< Another consideration with the tipup: The centrally-located locking handle
on the canopy frame swings in a rour-inch arc. I extended my handle so it
can better trap the roll bar on one end and engage a slot for partially open
canopy during taxing. Now there is little room between the arc of the
handle and your (or passenger's) head to install the light. Installing the
light outboard of your head didn't work for me. >>
This reminds me that I now do not lock the handle on the tip-up prior to
takeoff as was my habit before. One day, thinking about it while waiting for
the engine oil to warm up, I realized that secondary lock has no way to be
opened from the outside. This could be potentially very frustrating to any
would-be rescuer trying to get you out of a right-side-up RV.
I will admit that the canopy handle/lock has TWICE saved me from an
inadvertent canopy pop-open on takeoff, due to failure to latch the primary
canopy latch, due in turn to failure to follow proper checklist procedure.
My checklist now begins in my lap and works around the cockpit clockwise,
touching each item as I recite: "Pilot is latched, canopy is latched, master
is on, ignition on "both," boost is on..."
-Bill Boyd
RV-6A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Knicholas2(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | NavAid turn coordinator question |
I am considering using a Navaid Devices autopilot for my RV9. Can the Navaid
nav head (mounted in the panel) be used INSTEAD of a turn coordinator, of is
it in ADDITION to the T/C ? I have checked the archives AND even called the
NavAid company. The guy I spoke to was uncertain! (Plus, the product is
backordered 6 months!)
Kim Nicholas
Seattle
finishing RV9 wings
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Jantzi" <tjantzi(at)netrover.com> |
A good friend of mine test flew my RV-6 almost 4 years ago. After the
successful test flights, Bill Carter proceeded to make me safe in my own
aircraft. I had zero taildragger time way back then. My hobbs meter is
going to turn over the 1000 hour mark shortly and my RV-6 has no pilot
induced damage accept for a wheel fire back in 1998. I have been
managing Bill's web site for the past little while and just recently
made his promotional video available. It's not RV related, just 5
minutes of pretty cool Pitts flying. If you have time try....
http://www.billcarteraerobatics.com/index.html
Terry Jantzi
RV-6 C-GZRV
Kitchener ON
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Jantzi" <tjantzi(at)netrover.com> |
A good friend of mine test flew my RV-6 almost 4 years ago. After the
successful test flights, Bill Carter proceeded to make me safe in my own
aircraft. I had zero taildragger time way back then. My hobbs meter is
going to turn over the 1000 hour mark shortly and my RV-6 has no pilot
induced damage accept for a wheel fire back in 1998. I have been
managing Bill's web site for the past little while and just recently
made his promotional video available. It's not RV related, just 5
minutes of pretty cool Pitts flying. If you have time try....
http://www.billcarteraerobatics.com/index.html
Terry Jantzi
RV-6 C-GZRV
Kitchener ON
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harvey Sigmon" <flyhars(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List:Canopy egress item; was LED Map Lights from Vans |
War Story on myself, my first RV-6 I had the canopy come open on take
off. The bad part was I ran the checklist but missed the canopy lock as it
was hot outside. It happened to me on the initial test flight,
as I go down the runway I noticed it started to open about the time I
rotated. So I held the canopy with one hand and flew the airplane with the
other. It was not a pretty sight from inside or out, the faster I go the
higher the canopy would raise. Finally after coming open about 4 inches I
had to do the thing that the experts say never to do, I had to reduce
power and reduce speed, then I was able to close the safety handle. During
the process I cut my hand and when I arrived back at the Office with the RV grin
I had blood to prove my stupidly. The problem is the canopy lock lever is
out of your field of view and it is easy to miss, so I always used the
safety lock after that. Question for the group do you have a safety
procedure on the slider locking handle to prevent it from vibrating open in
flight?
Harvey Sigmon RV-6AQB - Waiting for the FAA. Do not
archive
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 3/29/2001 8:58:39 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List:Canopy egress item;
was LED Map Lights from Vans
-- RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R(at)aol.com
In a message dated 03/29/2001 12:44:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net
writes:
Another consideration with the tipup: The
centrally-located locking handle
on the canopy frame swings in a rour-inch arc. I extended my handle so
it
can better trap the roll bar on one end and engage a slot for partially
open
canopy during taxing. Now there is little room between the arc
of the
handle and your (or passenger's) head to install the
light. Installing the
light outboard of your head didn't work for me.
This reminds me that I now do not lock the handle on the tip-up prior to
takeoff as was my habit before. One day, thinking about it while
waiting for
the engine oil to warm up, I realized that secondary lock has no way to be
opened from the outside. This could be potentially very
frustrating to any
would-be rescuer trying to get you out of a right-side-up RV.
I will admit that the canopy handle/lock has TWICE saved me from an
inadvertent canopy pop-open on takeoff, due to failure to latch the primary
canopy latch, due in turn to failure to follow proper checklist
procedure.
My checklist now begins in my lap and works around the cockpit clockwise,
touching each item as I recite: "Pilot is latched, canopy is
latched, master
is on, ignition on "both," boost is on..."
-Bill Boyd
RV-6A
http://www.matronics.com/order
--- Harvey Sigmon
--- flyhars(at)earthlink.net
--- EarthLink: It's your Internet.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Glenn & Judi" <foxinsocks(at)mediaone.net> |
| Subject: | Re: LED dimming help |
Keith,
Electronics International (EI) sells a dimmer for the LED's on their
instruments. Perhaps their dimmer will also work with your LEDs. Give them
a call. Their dimmer sells for about $20.
-Glenn Gordon
N442E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Hughes" <rv6tc(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:07 PM
Subject: RV-List: LED dimming help
>
> OK, Uncle.
>
> I have searched the archives, the internet (to include Aero Electric Bob's
> site) and anywhere else I could think of. I'm searching for a dimmer that
> will dim the LED map lights that Van sells. After hours of work, I built
> the circuit that was in March's edition of Kitplanes, but it won't dim the
> lights. I'm an electric novice (as you can tell), but I would like to put
> independent dimming circuits in the plane.
>
> If there are any of you guys that "dabble" in electric circuits,
especially
> ones that would be "Level 1" complexity, would you please tell my where I
> can find a reliable one.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith Hughes
> RV-6 Fuselage
> Parker, CO (collector, base, emitter????? Geeeeeze......)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless(at)barefootpilot.com> |
| Subject: | Archer Antenna (again) |
Thanks to all those that responded to my previous query.
When running wires for the wingtip antennae, can they be run in a conduit
with the wires that power the strobes, landing lights, pitot tube etc.
without causing interference? If not, how far apart do they need to be?
Thanks,
Cliff
RV9
Erie, CO
www.barefootpilot.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: NavAid turn coordinator question |
> I am considering using a Navaid Devices autopilot for my RV9. Can the
Navaid
> nav head (mounted in the panel) be used INSTEAD of a turn coordinator, of
is
> it in ADDITION to the T/C ? I have checked the archives AND even called
the
> NavAid company. The guy I spoke to was uncertain! (Plus, the product is
> backordered 6 months!)
>
> Kim Nicholas
> Seattle
> finishing RV9 wings
Kim,
The Navaid unit provides full turn coordinator functionality. It does so
with LED segments rather than a pointer, but functions identically. The guy
you spoke to was probably uncertain because he was probably thinking in
terms of the FAA and whether it could be substituted legally in a certified
a/c... we don't have to worry about that, ain't great?
Randy Lervold
RV-8, #80500, air under the wheels in a few weeks now
www.rv-8.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis /Fran Flamini" <flamini2(at)home.com> |
"Flamini, Dom, Sue" , "Kunes, Terry" ,
"Wilson, Steve, Barb" , ,
, ,
"Chisholm, Dick, Madge" ,
"Carlson, Bob" , , ,
, , ,
, , ,
, "Wienceks Mark, Sue" <2wienceks(at)home.com>
log onto the above for great ride
Dennis and Fran
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Are Barstad" <abarstad(at)bconnex.net> |
| Subject: | I got my eye on something (safety tip) |
I guess I should have said: I got something on my eye!
Last night while closing up the left fuel tank I accidentally got a squirt
of MEK in one of my eyes. I sprayed it right away with fresh water but it
still hurt like $!@# for a couple of minutes. Well... surprise, when I
opened my eye I could still see perfectly fine! My eyes are usually somewhat
red from working too many late nights on the -8 but this did wonders! Visine
or 'Clear Eyes' don't stand a chance. MEK cleared out all the redness :)
In all seriousness; although we have two eyes we can't afford to loose one.
It doesn't hurt to use safety goggles when working with MEK or other
thinners. It would be a shame if I never got to fly my pride due to
something as unnecessary as this. Be careful!
Are
RV-8 Fuel Tanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: LED dimming help |
Glenn & Judi wrote:
>
>
> Keith,
>
> Electronics International (EI) sells a dimmer for the LED's on their
> instruments. Perhaps their dimmer will also work with your LEDs. Give them
> a call. Their dimmer sells for about $20.
>
> -Glenn Gordon
> N442E
Be advised that the EI dimmer may not work normally with LED lights in
your cabin. The EI unit INCREASES the voltage to dim the LEDS in the EI
instruments. This means the cabin lights will be getting brighter as the
EI dimmer is turned toward "Dim". If the dimmer isn't labeled, this may
not be a problem.
Sam Buchanan
"The RV Journal" http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NavAid turn coordinator question |
Kim, if your plane is intended for VFR flight only, you can include or
omit any gyro instrument you wish. If you are going to be equipped for
IFR, prudence would suggest a "real" turn coordinator instead of/in
addition to the Navaid.
In my VFR-only RV-6, the Navaid is the only gyro instrument in the
panel. Yes, it serves as a turn coordinator (well, actually the little
ball in the glass tube does).
Sam Buchanan
"The RV Journal" http://hoem.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal
=====================
Knicholas2(at)AOL.COM wrote:
>
>
> I am considering using a Navaid Devices autopilot for my RV9. Can the Navaid
> nav head (mounted in the panel) be used INSTEAD of a turn coordinator, of is
> it in ADDITION to the T/C ? I have checked the archives AND even called the
> NavAid company. The guy I spoke to was uncertain! (Plus, the product is
> backordered 6 months!)
>
> Kim Nicholas
> Seattle
> finishing RV9 wings
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: NavAid turn coordinator question |
>
>I am considering using a Navaid Devices autopilot for my RV9. Can the Navaid
>nav head (mounted in the panel) be used INSTEAD of a turn coordinator, of is
>it in ADDITION to the T/C ? I have checked the archives AND even called the
>NavAid company. The guy I spoke to was uncertain! (Plus, the product is
>backordered 6 months!)
>
>Kim Nicholas
>Seattle
>finishing RV9 wings
I guess it depends on why you want a T/C. It should fulfill the
regulatory requirements for a T/C in the US. The situation in Canada
is not clear - I'm communicating with our feds on equipment
requirements, and I'll info the list once I get some answers.
If you want a T/C because you think you might actually need to use it
someday, you'll have to decide whether you believe you would
instantly be able to figure out what those LEDs were telling you. I
have too much time flying with conventional T/Cs, and I will continue
to fly many aircraft with these T/Cs after my RV-8 is flying. So, I
decided that I am not prepared to give up my conventional T/C. I may
need it to save my butt someday. This is a personal decision -
you'll have to make your own belief in how well you will adapt to the
LED display.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/rv8.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KBoatri144(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Baggage Hold Downs |
In a message dated 3/29/01 11:52:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
nhunger(at)sprint.ca writes:
> I plan to scrounge
> the auto wreckers for a cargo
> net. I have seen some recent vans and SUV's with funky elastic good looking
> cargo nets.
>
>
Norman and others. The funky looking cargo nets can be found at your local
auto parts emporium. They come in a variety of shapes and sizes. I paid
about $18 for one yesterday.
Kyle Boatright - Kennesaw, GA
RV-6 Slider, O-320/Aymar-Demuth
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Bristol <bj034(at)lafn.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Archer Antenna (again) |
Cliff,
That's where I ran mine and I have no problems.
Dave
Clifford Begnaud wrote:
>
> Thanks to all those that responded to my previous query.
> When running wires for the wingtip antennae, can they be run in a conduit
> with the wires that power the strobes, landing lights, pitot tube etc.
> without causing interference? If not, how far apart do they need to be?
> Thanks,
> Cliff
> RV9
> Erie, CO
> www.barefootpilot.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin(at)valkyrie.net> |
List: I just got of the phone with Aircraft Spruce and they told me the 3
Piece Panel Extension they carry for the RV6 has been discontinued.
Does anyone know of another source? I was told an RV Builder might
still make them but Spruce didn't have a name. Maybe someone has one for
sale they didn't use?
Tom in Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Norman Hunger" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: NavAid turn coordinator question |
I have a conventional T/C next to my Navaid
T/C............Norman............
> I am considering using a Navaid Devices autopilot for my RV9. Can the
Navaid
> nav head (mounted in the panel) be used INSTEAD of a turn coordinator, of
is
> it in ADDITION to the T/C ? I have checked the archives AND even called
the
> NavAid company. The guy I spoke to was uncertain! (Plus, the product is
> backordered 6 months!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BSEckstein(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: microMonitor paranoia |
In a message dated 3/29/01 8:06:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Knicholas2(at)AOL.COM writes:
>
> I am considering using a microMonitor in my RV9 but I am concerned that if
> the unit fails, I will loose alot of information at once. At least with
> individual guages they tend to die one at a time (unless the common
> electrical curcuit/buss fails.) Am I being too paranoid?
>
I won't comment on paranoia, but I did consider this same concern.
My certified plane is equiped with OP, OT, VM and single EGT/CHT and I'm
comfortable with that limited information. If lost all at once, I'd be
listening carefully to the engine, running at moderate power and heading
home. Not an emergency in my opinion.
I had a problem with a RMI unit that I built and sent it back to RMI. To my
surprise, it was returned to me from RMI only a few days after I sent it to
them. Their turn around was great. Since then, I worry less about down time
too.
Brian Eckstein
final assembly 6A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Zipperer <rzipperer(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel Extension |
I have a panel I got from Spruce some time ago with six holes for the
Alt, Airspeed,V/S,T&B,Art Horiz,and DG. If this is what you want than I
have one for you, Zip.
Tom & Cathy Ervin wrote:
>
>
> List: I just got of the phone with Aircraft Spruce and they told me the 3
> Piece Panel Extension they carry for the RV6 has been discontinued.
> Does anyone know of another source? I was told an RV Builder might
> still make them but Spruce didn't have a name. Maybe someone has one for
> sale they didn't use?
>
> Tom in Ohio
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | NavAid turn coordinator question |
I have the same hesitation. I like a 'real' TC. It's too bad the Naviad
does not have a interface more similar to STec's auto pilots.
My current thought is to get a traditional TC from Van's and a DFC-100 from
these guys: http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com
A little bit more expensive, but what isn't! Besides, it's time to start
spending all that money I 'saved' by not getting the quickbuild. :)
Larry Bowen
RV-8 fuse
Email: Larry(at)BowenAero.com
Web: http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Knicholas2(at)AOL.COM
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:41 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: NavAid turn coordinator question
>
>
> I am considering using a Navaid Devices autopilot for my RV9.
> Can the Navaid
> nav head (mounted in the panel) be used INSTEAD of a turn
> coordinator, of is
> it in ADDITION to the T/C ? I have checked the archives AND even
> called the
> NavAid company. The guy I spoke to was uncertain! (Plus, the
> product is
> backordered 6 months!)
>
> Kim Nicholas
> Seattle
> finishing RV9 wings
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson(at)usjet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List:Canopy egress item; was LED Map Lights from Vans |
Question for the group do you have a safety
> procedure on the slider locking handle to prevent it from vibrating open
in
> flight?
The slider locking mechanism, if set up properly, has an over center
feature. One would have to be quite worn or mis-adjusted to come open on
its own.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
6A
------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------
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| From: | "Tim Lewis" <timrv6a(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List:Canopy egress item; was LED Map Lights from Vans |
> Question for the group do you have a safety procedure on
> the slider locking handle to prevent it from vibrating open in flight?
It's an over center design that won't vibrate open when put together
properly. If the builder were to set the thing up so it was very loose, it
could vibrate open, I suspect.
Tim
******
Tim Lewis -- Springfield VA
RV-6A N47TD - First Flight 18 Dec 99
http://www.geocities.com/timrv6a
******
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tim Lewis" <timrv6a(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NavAid turn coordinator question |
> I am considering using a Navaid Devices autopilot for my RV9. Can the
> Navaid nav head (mounted in the panel) be used INSTEAD of a turn
> coordinator, of is it in ADDITION to the T/C ? I have checked the
> archives AND even called the NavAid company. The guy I spoke to was
> uncertain! (Plus, the product is backordered 6 months!)
I use mine instead of a conventional turn coordinator. The FAA
inspector went so far as to circle "IFR" in the operating limitations
text, showing that he approved the aircraft, as constructed, for IFR.
I've shot a few partial panel (hood) approaches, and the Navaid seems
to be as easy to use as any other turn coordinator.
Tim
******
Tim Lewis -- Springfield VA
RV-6A N47TD - First Flight 18 Dec 99
http://www.geocities.com/timrv6a
******
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Bristol <bj034(at)lafn.org> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List:Canopy egress item; was LED Map Lights from Vans |
Harry,
I forgot to latch the canopy no less than three times on my test flights but with
the slider it tends to slide forward when the power comes up. The first time I
got
to about 9000' before I discovered it (it was getting cold and drafty). After the
initial panic, it closed fairly easily when I slowed down to about 75.
The Mustang II that I fly has a slider but when it's not latched you can see
daylight through the opening so it's hard to miss. On the RV6 it isn't obvious
that
it's open because of the overlapping fairing.
The other two times were on takeoff. The prudent thing to do is just land and latch
it but at this point it isn't going to open any further so it is possible to get
some altitude, slow down and latch it. What ever you decide to do in this case,
keep
your speed down-there's a lot of lift on the back of the canopy and not much holding
it when the pins are not engaged.
Dave RV-6 slider, flying SO Cal
Harvey Sigmon wrote:
>
> War Story on myself, my first RV-6 I had the canopy come open on take
> off. The bad part was I ran the checklist but missed the canopy lock as it
> was hot outside. It happened to me on the initial test flight,
> as I go down the runway I noticed it started to open about the time I
> rotated. So I held the canopy with one hand and flew the airplane with the
> other. It was not a pretty sight from inside or out, the faster I go the
> higher the canopy would raise. Finally after coming open about 4 inches I
> had to do the thing that the experts say never to do, I had to reduce
> power and reduce speed, then I was able to close the safety handle. During
> the process I cut my hand and when I arrived back at the Office with the RV grin
> I had blood to prove my stupidly. The problem is the canopy lock lever is
> out of your field of view and it is easy to miss, so I always used the
> safety lock after that. Question for the group do you have a safety
> procedure on the slider locking handle to prevent it from vibrating open in
> flight?
>
> Harvey Sigmon RV-6AQB - Waiting for the FAA. Do not
> archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From:
>
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Sent: 3/29/2001 8:58:39 AM
>
> Subject: Re: RV-List:Canopy egress item;
> was LED Map Lights from Vans
>
> -- RV-List message posted by: SportAV8R(at)aol.com
>
> In a message dated 03/29/2001 12:44:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>
> dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net
> writes:
>
> Another consideration with the tipup: The
> centrally-located locking handle
>
> on the canopy frame swings in a rour-inch arc. I extended my handle so
> it
>
> can better trap the roll bar on one end and engage a slot for partially
> open
>
> canopy during taxing. Now there is little room between the arc
> of the
>
> handle and your (or passenger's) head to install the
> light. Installing the
>
> light outboard of your head didn't work for me.
>
> This reminds me that I now do not lock the handle on the tip-up prior to
>
> takeoff as was my habit before. One day, thinking about it while
> waiting for
>
> the engine oil to warm up, I realized that secondary lock has no way to be
>
> opened from the outside. This could be potentially very
> frustrating to any
>
> would-be rescuer trying to get you out of a right-side-up RV.
>
> I will admit that the canopy handle/lock has TWICE saved me from an
>
> inadvertent canopy pop-open on takeoff, due to failure to latch the primary
>
> canopy latch, due in turn to failure to follow proper checklist
> procedure.
>
> My checklist now begins in my lap and works around the cockpit clockwise,
>
> touching each item as I recite: "Pilot is latched, canopy is
> latched, master
>
> is on, ignition on "both," boost is on..."
>
> -Bill Boyd
>
> RV-6A
>
> http://www.matronics.com/order
>
> --- Harvey Sigmon
>
> --- flyhars(at)earthlink.net
>
> --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ed Holyoke <bicyclop(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NavAid turn coordinator question |
"For simplicity and reliability the digital servo remains coupled to the
control system when not active and does impose a small residual torque load.
This is why smallest servo with adequate torque capability should be chosen.
The chart below lists the three servo sizes and related torque information."
Has anybody flown with one of these Tru Trak autopilots? I'm wondering how
noticable the "small residual torque load" is. Otherwise, it looks like a
nice unit.
Ed Holyoke
6QB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: NavAid turn coordinator question
>
> I have the same hesitation. I like a 'real' TC. It's too bad the Naviad
> does not have a interface more similar to STec's auto pilots.
>
> My current thought is to get a traditional TC from Van's and a DFC-100
from
> these guys: http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com
>
> A little bit more expensive, but what isn't! Besides, it's time to start
> spending all that money I 'saved' by not getting the quickbuild. :)
>
> Larry Bowen
> RV-8 fuse
> Email: Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> Web: http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > Knicholas2(at)AOL.COM
> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:41 PM
> > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: NavAid turn coordinator question
> >
> >
> >
> > I am considering using a Navaid Devices autopilot for my RV9.
> > Can the Navaid
> > nav head (mounted in the panel) be used INSTEAD of a turn
> > coordinator, of is
> > it in ADDITION to the T/C ? I have checked the archives AND even
> > called the
> > NavAid company. The guy I spoke to was uncertain! (Plus, the
> > product is
> > backordered 6 months!)
> >
> > Kim Nicholas
> > Seattle
> > finishing RV9 wings
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Thompson <grobdriver(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: EAA187: Tony Bingelis |
> It is with deep regret that I have to inform you that Tony Bingelis
> passed away today about 11 a.m. due to heart problems.
>
> Tony was one of the founders of Chapter 187, and one of the greatest
> contributors to the homebuilt airplane community.
>
> Funeral arrangements will be finalized tomorrow morning, at which
> time
> another email will be sent.
>
I am forwarding this from my chapter president.
I'm sure every one of you has been touched by Tony, if only by his
books.
Tony was a member of Chapter 187 here in Austin, TX. Needless to say,
his expertise, wisdom and wit will be sorely missed by those of us who
shared EAA picnics with him, Texas EAAers who flew with him, and the
experimental aviation community in general. It is a great loss.
Tony now has permanent tailwinds and constant CAVU conditions, but with
plenty of puffy cumulus to chase.
Blue skies, Tony. I'll see you up there.
- Mike
====
Michael E. Thompson (Grobdriver(at)yahoo.com)
Austin, TX, USA
RV-6 in progress, N140RV (Reserved)
EX-AX1 Sub Hunter, P-3 (B/B-TACMOD/C) Orion Aircrew,
PP-G,ASEL, Motorglider Driver and Unlimited Air Race Nut!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave Berryhill" <dberryhill(at)jam.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel Extension |
Something like this? http://www.planes-wings-things.com/rv-6_panel.htm
Dave Berryhill
>
> List: I just got of the phone with Aircraft Spruce and they told me the 3
> Piece Panel Extension they carry for the RV6 has been discontinued.
> Does anyone know of another source? I was told an RV Builder might
> still make them but Spruce didn't have a name. Maybe someone has one for
> sale they didn't use?
>
> Tom in Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stuart B McCurdy <sturdy(at)att.net> |
texas-flyers ,
austin_flyers
It is with deep regret that I inform you that Tony Bingelis passed away
today 1112 a.m. in Austin TX due to heart problems.
Tony was one of the founders of Chapter 187 and the Southwest Regional
Fly-in, and one of the greatest contributors to the homebuilt airplane
community through his four books, his 25 years worth of monthly articles
in the Sport Builders column of Sport Aviation, his building of 9
aircraft, and his many years as a technical counselor, answering
questions from all over the country. He will be missed.
Funeral arrangements will be finalized tomorrow morning, at which time
another email will be sent.
Stu McCurdy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Fwd: EAA187: Tony Bingelis |
RV-Listers,
I never got the meet the man. But as a "want-to-be" builder, I wrote the
man about the RV-4 back in 1986. As he must get tons of mail as the writer
of "Builder's Corner" for Sport Aviation, I didn't really think he would
answer. I was just hoping for a second option about the RV series. Anyway,
I received a letter back which answered each and every one of my questions.
He even included several photographs he had taken of RV-4s. The man was a
TOTAL CLASS ACT. Every time I think have an new idea about how to do
something on the rocket, I find that Tony had already thought of it and had
written about it in one of his books.
So, Tony, here is my hand salute. There will always be room for you in the
rocket.
Heaven will be a better place now that you are there. I am sure the flight
characteristics of angel's wings will improve will your help. Rest in
Peace.
Tom
Thomas Gummo
Preseident of Chapter 768 (See what happens when you miss two meetings in a
row.)
I want to be like Tony when I grow up. :-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV-7 and others |
| From: | Scott R McDaniels <smcdaniels(at)juno.com> |
From: "Randall Henderson" <randallh(at)home.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 and others
> Are Vans demos built at location or are they built from quickbuild kits
in
> the Phillipines like the production units?
Van's demo planes are generally first-of-their-kind prototypes, built at
Van's factory by his very skilled and experienced prototype/maintenance
crew.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~200 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Gosh Randall, your making me blush....
- - - - - - - - - - - -
> Are Vans demos built at location or are they built from quickbuild kits
in
> the Phillipines like the production units?
The Philippine production has only been going on for around for five
years.
I toured the factory when I bought my empennage kit. They showed us the
very
first batch of quickbuilds that had arrived. They offered them for sale
shortly thereafter. During that tour we drove across the highway to Van's
property that has his house, his airstrip, and his prototype shop. I
understand this used to be his factory until expansion had him acquire
facilities nearby in North Plains. The prototype shop is where all the
factory aircraft were built. At that time I believe Van had a Bonanza as
well. I don't know if Van has now moved everything to his new factory.
Could some one closer please add/correct this history?
Were the RV9's and RV7 built in Oregon?
<
Yes. The RV-9A was built and completed at the shop in North Plains, the
RV-7 Wings and Emp. were built in North Plains, the rest of the work was
done at the Aurora facility.
<
Has Van moved his residence towards the new factory?
<
No, he fly's to work any days allowed by weather.
<
How far of a drive is it for staff members still living in North Plains
to
work?
<
About 32 miles.
<
Does Van make all the kit pieces in Oregon then send them to the
Philippines?
<
Yes. The Q.B. shop starts with the exact same parts that any other
customer does only they get boxes stocked with enough parts to build
about 30 at a time. It entirely fills a 20ft sea container
Scott McDaniels
Aurora, OR
These opinions and ideas are my own and may not
reflect the opinions or ideas of my employer.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Besing" <pbesing(at)rmi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I got my eye on something (safety tip) |
Been there...I got MEK splashed in my eye...scared the bejesus out of me,
and hurt like crazy....I won't make that mistake again! I think we both got
really lucky, and there was plenty of water close by. Be careful!
Paul Besing
RV-6A (197AB) Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Finish Kit (Still)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Are Barstad" <abarstad(at)bconnex.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:03 PM
Subject: RV-List: I got my eye on something (safety tip)
>
> I guess I should have said: I got something on my eye!
>
> Last night while closing up the left fuel tank I accidentally got a squirt
> of MEK in one of my eyes. I sprayed it right away with fresh water but it
> still hurt like $!@# for a couple of minutes. Well... surprise, when I
> opened my eye I could still see perfectly fine! My eyes are usually
somewhat
> red from working too many late nights on the -8 but this did wonders!
Visine
> or 'Clear Eyes' don't stand a chance. MEK cleared out all the redness :)
>
> In all seriousness; although we have two eyes we can't afford to loose
one.
> It doesn't hurt to use safety goggles when working with MEK or other
> thinners. It would be a shame if I never got to fly my pride due to
> something as unnecessary as this. Be careful!
>
> Are
> RV-8 Fuel Tanks
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV6-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/06/01 |
Are there any RV builders/flyers that have used the ICS Plus radio that
Wagaero sells. I would appreciate any feedback on this unit.
Greg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Heinrich Gerhardt" <hgerhardt(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | seal on RV-6 sliding canopy |
Has anyone figured out an elegant way to seal the side skirts of a sliding
canopy RV-6? I'm thinking about a rubber-felt weatherstrip (like at the
base of a side window in a car), mounted on the side of the slider rail
contacting the skirt on the inside.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jayeandscott" <jayeandscott(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV6-List: seal on RV-6 sliding canopy |
On my -6 I'll be trying out the thin plastic strip that folds down the
middle to form a "V" shape. One side is sticky. The advantage appears to be
a pressure so light that when the canopy is run back and forth no distress
to the paint; yet, when the air tries to leak in, it forces the springy,
thin stand-up part of the V to press against the fuselage. It's sold in
short lengths for sealing exterior doors and windows.
----- Original Message -----
From: Heinrich Gerhardt <hgerhardt(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:31 PM
Subject: RV6-List: seal on RV-6 sliding canopy
> --> RV6-List message posted by: "Heinrich Gerhardt"
>
> Has anyone figured out an elegant way to seal the side skirts of a sliding
> canopy RV-6? I'm thinking about a rubber-felt weatherstrip (like at the
> base of a side window in a car), mounted on the side of the slider rail
> contacting the skirt on the inside.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gregory Scott" <gregory.scott1(at)virgin.net> |
| Subject: | RV4 rudder cracks |
Hi Listens,
My 4 has 170 hrs of flying, some aero's, but limited to loops, aileron
rolls and stall turns. The problem I have is the rudder skin R401 has
developed cracks around the forward rivet of all but 1 of the skin
stiffener angles on the starboard side only. I have a new skin and
angle to re- skin the rudder but want to understand where I might have
gone wrong. I was going to de-skin my rudder and just fit a new skin
but have now ordered the rest of the parts for a complete rudder which I
will collect at Sun and Fun.
Anyone else had this problem? or know of the cause. I have sometimes
side-slipped quite aggressively into our tree lined strip (450 metres)
but I don't think that should have caused it.
Anyone know of this problem elsewhere or possible cause. I spoke to Ken
Scott at Van's and he suggested I use proseal under the stiffeners this
time. I think this is sound advice, I will also make sure the clearance
between the forward end of the stiffeners and the rudder spar is kept to
a minimum. (plans quote 1/8th typical) Any feedback most welcome.
Incidentally, someone mentioned Ed Hicks and the ban on night flying
etc. here in Britain. The CAA ,Civil Aviation Authority, (sometimes
referred to as Committee Against Aviation) have discovered a rare,
local, phenomenon with laws of physics. Quote: "Any
heavier than air flying machine constructed by an amateur will cease to
support it's own weight after sunset and before dawn, over any built up
area and at any time visibility is reduced below 3 kilometers
Greg Scott RV 4
Rudder #2
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| From: | "Donald Mei" <don_mei(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Aerobatics was: The Good, The bad, and The ugly |
I read an article in one of the airplane mags, it was one of those "never
again" kind of articles. The guy was up doing aerobatics in a citabria.
The controls jammed and he bailed out. As he was bailing out, too late to
go back in, he saw the seat chushion in the empty seat jamming the stick.
Since then, my preflight checklist includes:
Stickwells clear of onstructions
and Most importantly:
Rear seat chushion stowed (in baggage compartment) before solo flight.
I have velcro holding it down, but do you want to trust your life to two
strips of velcro. I just put it in back and cinch down the rear seat belts.
Conservative in CT
Don Mei
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gardner, Douglas (GA01)" <douglas.gardner(at)honeywell.com> |
| Subject: | NavAid turn coordinator question |
The Navaid is also a T/C, it uses LED's to display. Many NavAids in use on
RV's.
Doug Gardner
80717 FWF
-----Original Message-----
From: Knicholas2(at)AOL.COM [mailto:Knicholas2(at)AOL.COM]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 2:41 PM
Subject: RV-List: NavAid turn coordinator question
I am considering using a Navaid Devices autopilot for my RV9. Can the
Navaid
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| From: | KBoatri144(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: RV6-List: seal on RV-6 sliding canopy |
I'm fighting the same battle, and the best idea I've had so far is to make
some foam rubber strips that will drop down into the channel between the side
skirts and the slider rails. These would need to be soft enough to get
sucked down into the canopy/fuselage gap during flight. You would simply
lift the strips out and store them in the cockpit once you land, then drop
them back into the gap when you went aviating again.
For what it is worth, I've gotten a decent seal just by stuffing paper towels
into this area in flight.
Kyle Boatright - Kennesaw, GA
RV-6 Slider, O-320/Aymar-Demuth
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| From: | "Gary A. Sobek" <rv6flier(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: microMonitor paranoia |
--- Knicholas2(at)AOL.COM wrote:
>
> I am considering using a microMonitor in my RV9 but I am concerned
> that if
> the unit fails, I will loose alot of information at once. At least
> with
> individual guages they tend to die one at a time (unless the common
> electrical curcuit/buss fails.) Am I being too paranoid?
>
>
> Kim Nicholas
> Seattle
> RV9 wings - spending $$$ WAY too fast....
>
The short answer to your question is: YES.
I have been flying close to 800 hours with no in flight failures. I
have NO redundant engine instruments. I do have the 1.2 Ah backup
battery for the microMonitor if there is an electrical system problem.
Yes it is easy to spend $$$ too fast but it will never be cheaper to
build an airplane than it is right now. The longer you wait to spend
your money for your airplane, the more you will spend.
====
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
778+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.tripod.com
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| Subject: | RV4 rudder cracks |
Thread-Topic: RV-List: RV4 rudder cracks
Thread-Index: AcC5BmOiNJ6YkNRLTbytg+/EkHcYTQAHWgRw
| From: | "Bob Japundza" <Bob.Japundza(at)realmed.com> |
Hi Greg,
On my RV-6 with almost 100 hours on it, I too have some cracks appearing
on the forward-most rivet on three stiffeners on the right side. I have
a dent in the trailing edge of the rudder which was a result of an
incident when bringing my bird to the airport for final assembly. The
flat-bed tow truck the fuse was riding on stopped rather suddenly and
the rudder contacted the light bar on the tow truck. Because of the
dent (which btw was bugging the sh** out of me), the skin in that area
would oil-can and that is what I attribute to the cause of the cracks.
I have a new rudder with .020 skins almost complete...and because the
skin is heavier I think there will be less tendency for the skins to
oil-can. Good move on Van's part to make the RV-7 tail feathers out of
.020; the .016 skins are too thin IMHO and are easily susceptible to
oil-canning.
I don't think acro causes these cracks to happen; all you have to do to
see what happens is stand behind a RV during ground runup to see how
much abuse the tail takes from vibration. I didn't use any RTV or
proseal or whatever on the new rudder, and kept the distance between the
stiffeners and rudder spar 1/8"; I didn't deviate from the plans in
that area because that 1/8" is there for a reason.
Bob Japundza
RV-6 N244BJ O-360C/S flying 96 hours
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregory Scott [mailto:gregory.scott1(at)virgin.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 4:47 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: RV4 rudder cracks
>
>
>
>
> Hi Listens,
> My 4 has 170 hrs of flying, some aero's, but limited to loops, aileron
> rolls and stall turns. The problem I have is the rudder skin R401 has
> developed cracks around the forward rivet of all but 1 of the skin
> stiffener angles on the starboard side only. I have a new skin and
> angle to re- skin the rudder but want to understand where I might have
> gone wrong. I was going to de-skin my rudder and just fit a new skin
> but have now ordered the rest of the parts for a complete
> rudder which I
> will collect at Sun and Fun.
> Anyone else had this problem? or know of the cause. I have sometimes
> side-slipped quite aggressively into our tree lined strip
> (450 metres)
> but I don't think that should have caused it.
> Anyone know of this problem elsewhere or possible cause. I
> spoke to Ken
> Scott at Van's and he suggested I use proseal under the
> stiffeners this
> time. I think this is sound advice, I will also make sure
> the clearance
> between the forward end of the stiffeners and the rudder spar
> is kept to
> a minimum. (plans quote 1/8th typical) Any feedback most welcome.
> Incidentally, someone mentioned Ed Hicks and the ban on
> night flying
> etc. here in Britain. The CAA ,Civil Aviation Authority, (sometimes
> referred to as Committee Against Aviation) have discovered a rare,
> local, phenomenon with laws of physics. Quote: "Any
> heavier than air flying machine constructed by an amateur
> will cease to
> support it's own weight after sunset and before dawn, over
> any built up
> area and at any time visibility is reduced below 3 kilometers
>
> Greg Scott RV 4
> Rudder #2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
snip....
Been there...I got MEK splashed in my eye...scared the bejesus out of me,
and hurt like crazy....I won't make that mistake again! I think we both got
really lucky, and there was plenty of water close by. Be careful! snip....
I keep a 99 cent bottle of saline solution eye wash on my work bench right
next to the bandaids. It's soooo much easier to simply rinse out your eye
when you get debris in it than it is to stagger to the bathroom mirror to
see what's wrong. You can also use it to rinse out cuts before applying
the bandaids. Great stuff.
Vince in Indiana
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| From: | Im7shannon(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: I got my eye on something (safety tip) |
It hurts almost as bad to inadvertantly put a rag soaked with laquer thinner
in your pocket... :0
-9 Kevin in WA
> Been there...I got MEK splashed in my eye...scared the bejesus out of me,
> and hurt like crazy....I won't make that mistake again! I think we both
got
> really lucky, and there was plenty of water close by. Be careful!
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A (197AB) Arizona
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Finish Kit (Still)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Are Barstad" <abarstad(at)bconnex.net>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:03 PM
> Subject: RV-List: I got my eye on something (safety tip)
>
>
> >
> > I guess I should have said: I got something on my eye!
> >
> > Last night while closing up the left fuel tank I accidentally got a
squirt
> > of MEK in one of my eyes. I sprayed it right away with fresh water but it
> > still hurt like $!@# for a couple of minutes. Well... surprise, when I
> > opened my eye I could still see perfectly fine! My eyes are usually
> somewhat
> > red from working too many late nights on the -8 but this did wonders!
> Visine
> > or 'Clear Eyes' don't stand a chance. MEK cleared out all the redness :)
> >
> > In all seriousness; although we have two eyes we can't afford to loose
> one.
> > It doesn't hurt to use safety goggles when working with MEK or other
> > thinners. It would be a shame if I never got to fly my pride due to
> > something as unnecessary as this. Be careful!
> >
> > Are
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| From: | Louis Willig <larywil(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics was: The Good, The bad, and The ugly |
>I read an article in one of the airplane mags, it was one of those "never
>again" kind of articles. The guy was up doing aerobatics in a citabria.
>The controls jammed and he bailed out. As he was bailing out, too late to
>go back in, he saw the seat chushion in the empty seat jamming the stick.
>
>Since then, my preflight checklist includes:
>
>Stickwells clear of onstructions
>
>and Most importantly:
>
>Rear seat chushion stowed (in baggage compartment) before solo flight.
>
>I have velcro holding it down, but do you want to trust your life to two
>strips of velcro. I just put it in back and cinch down the rear seat belts.
>
>Conservative in CT
>Don Mei
This is in response to your post above:
I never actually finished the original post, " The Good , The Bad, and the
Ugly" because I accidently hit "send" when I wanted to hit a paragraph
button (It was late at night and my keyboarding skills are poor). I wanted
to explain the insidious danger of complacency. I have been slowly
experimenting with aerobatics for a year( I have been getting instruction).
I have never had a problem with things moving around in the aircraft. Now,
my plane is always hangared, so there is a tendency to do a shorter
pre-flight inspection than when it is tied down (where people often peer
inside and open the canopy to push or pull the aircraft to a different
tie-down location.)
But a few weeks ago, the FBO moved my plane out of the hangar to paint the
walls and we tied-down on the ramp. I now had to secure the controls from
flapping around. So I used the rear seat belt harnesses to secure the rear
stick. This worked fine for a few weeks. Early Wednesday morning, in
low-light conditions, I did my preflight, released the seat belt/stick
"control lock", re-secured it, ......etc.,etc.,etc. My goal in this flight
was to watch the sunrise on this crystal clear, smooth air morning.
Something I've never done in the RV-4. In the back of mind, I hoped I would
get the nerve to do a loop or hammerhead during the flight. Well, the
conditions were so smooth and inviting, that I decided to put aside my
reluctance to pull straight up and do a real hammerhead ( I've done this
with instructors in Decathalons and Cessnas, but never alone) I just did it
smoothly and carefully and didn't let my self get to slow on the up-line.
Voila, I horsed her over and down she came with mother earth straight
ahead. I love it. I did a few more and did a few victory rolls, going
negative so as to hold the nose up. Beautiful. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER did I
realize that when I re-secured the rear Hooker harness, I did not pull them
tight. You see, what kept the rear seat cushions in place was the
"properly" secured Hookers......not the loose one's. I had to loosen them
all the way up to get them to encircle the rear stick. When I re-hooked
them, I didn't re-tighten them. It was laziness, not forgetfulness. I was
negligent. I have resolved to relearn the basic safety rules of aviation
that were taught to me as a student. Flying nothing but a Cessna 150 for
the last 17 years let me become lazy, and loose focus on the basic safety
rules of each flight. I still have not conquered the problem of remembering
to switch to the "fullest tank" before landing. I could cite plenty of
other faults that I have let creep into my preflight planning. But this
would be a fitting and important topic for the List to pick up on. Those of
you who have good ideas for those of us who screw(ed) up are invited to
make some suggestions. The one non-RV topic that we have always accepted
and even invited is that of aviation safety. So let's keep it up.
Fair winds, blue skies, and a safe trip for Tony in his new wings.
Louis
Louis I. Willig
larywil(at)home.com
RV-4, N180PF, 70 hrs. and climbing fast
I0-360, Hartzell C/S
(610) 668-4964
Penn Valley, PA
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| From: | "Randall Henderson" <randallh(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV6-List: seal on RV-6 sliding canopy |
> On my -6 I'll be trying out the thin plastic strip that folds down the
> middle to form a "V" shape.
Ken Scott tried that and told me the thing turns into a "reed" in the wind,
making all kinds of noise. I used a rubber V channel and in fact something
similar though not as bad -- I had to make a gap where the rear blocks are
and the air whistles out that gap at certain airspeeds. Still, its generally
quieter and definitely less windy than before.
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~200 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
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| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | 6A Baggage Compartment Organizer |
In preparing for our Sun&Fun cross country, my wife Kathy has discovered the
ideal baggage compartment organizer for a 6 or 6A. It is called the
CaseLogic model ATO10 Trunk Organizer, $9.99 at Target or order off the web
at http://www.casedirect.com/home.asp
The organizer fits beautifully across the F605F horizontal channel behind
the seats. We can both reach the many pockets in flight without loosening
the Hooker Harness shoulder straps. We do have cut-down seat backs, which
aid reaching things behind us.
Installation was easy! Drill a #30 hole in each triangular gusset aft of
the F605 to accept the mounting hooks in the organizer and put a Velcro dot
in the center of the F605 span to help keep the organizer from sagging.
If this gadget were in Sporty's catalog it would probably go for $50 or so!
Dennis Persyk N600DP
Hampshire, IL 68IS (C38)
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| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
| Subject: | Hi-Loc fasteners |
Anyone know a source to buy Hi-Loc fasteners in small quantities? Possibly
someone at Sun and Fun?
Russ Werner
HRII
Hawaii
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| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | 112 Pounds Baggage in a 6A |
I just got my April Sport Aviation and on page 53 is a good article of a
6A's flight to OSH. What caught my attention was the 112 pounds of baggage
he carried! I plugged the number into my spreadsheet and sure enough, with
112 pounds I'd be at 89% aft envelope at minimum fuel in our 6A.
Last night Kathy and I flew with 80 pounds of baggage (salt) and 1/2 tanks,
yielding a 74% aft CG. I was testing out the trim authority after yet
another tweaking. The phugoid was convergent, but a very slow convergence.
After one cycle Kathy was a little uncomfortable with the initial nose-down
attitude so I broke off the test. Pitch forces were only a bit less than at
our normal 63% aft loading with no baggage. I could (electric) trim for
high speed descent.
In the pattern I noted that the plane required far less nose up trim than
usual at my 75 Kts approach speed. The handling qualities were different
than with the more forward CG. My first three landings were minor bouncers,
the forth pretty good and the fifth one a greaser. I liked that I could
hold off the nose gear for about 5 seconds after touching the mains. The
plane certainly does have good baggage capacity with a constant speed prop
but the flying qualities are different with the aft CG
I'm going to practice a lot more landings with the aft CG, and I'd encourage
my fellow pilots to do the same. . Let's be careful up there.
Dennis Persyk 6A N600DP 58 hours
Hampshire, IL 68IS (C38)
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| From: | "Tim Bryan" <timbryan(at)oregontrail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel Extension |
This sounds interesting. What is a panel extension?
Tim Bryan
timbryan(at)oregontrail.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin(at)valkyrie.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: Panel Extension
>
> List: I just got of the phone with Aircraft Spruce and they told me the 3
> Piece Panel Extension they carry for the RV6 has been discontinued.
> Does anyone know of another source? I was told an RV Builder might
> still make them but Spruce didn't have a name. Maybe someone has one for
> sale they didn't use?
>
> Tom in Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
| Subject: | 112 Pounds Baggage in a 6A |
Please translate.
Greg
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| From: | "David Burton" <dburton(at)nwlink.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics was: The Good, The bad, and The ugly |
Just like the FAA's Wings program, thinking and talking about safety is
always a good idea.
I have a friend who was killed in an RV6 a couple of years ago. I never
heard if an official determmination was made about the cause. The
speculation was that he had the stick secured with the passengers seatbelt
and tried to take off with it that way. He stalled in just after takeoff,
proceded by a very steep climb. I'd secure the stick with the pilot's
seatbelt, only, if it were me. I can see that it would be easier in a 4 to
reach the passenger's belt from outside the cockpit, but that may not be a
good idea...
Dave Burton
RV6A, wings
Seattle
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| From: | "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com> |
| Subject: | checkerboard painting |
I've always liked the look of a checkerboard design on the cowl or tail.
Does anyone know where I can find instructions for painting a curved surface
in this pattern? It looks really hard.
Steve Soule
RV-6A snowed in
Huntington, VT
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| From: | barry pote <barrypote(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: checkerboard painting |
no not archive
Stephen, I too, would like to do that. Let me know, if someone replies
privately.
Thanks,
Barry Pote barrypote(at)home.com RV9a Wings
"Stephen J. Soule" wrote:
>
>
> I've always liked the look of a checkerboard design on the cowl or tail.
> Does anyone know where I can find instructions for painting a curved surface
> in this pattern? It looks really hard.
>
> Steve Soule
> RV-6A snowed in
> Huntington, VT
>
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| From: | Mike Thompson <grobdriver(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: Tony Bingelis Funeral Service Details |
> Funeral services for Tony Bingelis will be at Cook Walden at 6100
> North
> Lamar at 2 pm on Saturday, March 31. Cook Walden is across from the
> Texas
> Dept of Public Safety. Burial will follow with full military honors
> at the
> Cook Walden cemetery in Pflugerville.
>
FYI - short notice but some can maybe fly in...
- Mike
====
Michael E. Thompson (Grobdriver(at)yahoo.com)
Austin, TX, USA
RV-6 in progress, N140RV (Reserved)
EX-AX1 Sub Hunter, P-3 (B/B-TACMOD/C) Orion Aircrew,
PP-G,ASEL, Motorglider Driver and Unlimited Air Race Nut!
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| From: | "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 112 Pounds Baggage in a 6A |
He pushed the stick forward or backward and let it go. The nose should go
up and down and then return to level trim (phugoid). It sounds like it took
a while (more than a couple of oscillations) for it to return level.
>
>
>
>
>
> Please translate.
>
>
> Greg
>
>
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| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | O-360 baffle kit for sale |
I had planned to have an O-360, but found an IO-360 at a price that I
couldn't refuse. So, I have to sell a Van's baffle kit for the
O-360. It'll work with an RV-6/6A or 8/8A. I assume that it would
also work with the RV-7/7A, but you should check with Van on that
one.
I'll sell it for what I paid for it ($US190), and I'll pay the
shipping in Canada. For US buyers, I'll cover what it would cost to
ship in Canada, and the buyer picks up the difference. Canadian
Take care,
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/rv8.html
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| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: checkerboard painting |
In a message dated 3/30/01 11:30:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,
SSoule(at)pfclaw.com writes:
>
> I've always liked the look of a checkerboard design on the cowl or tail.
> Does anyone know where I can find instructions for painting a curved surface
> in this pattern? It looks really hard.
>
> Steve Soule
> RV-6A snowed in
> Huntington, VT
>
This is how I did it.....
I just checkerboarded my rudder (black and white). How I did it was to first
paint the rudder white, then wet sand until smooth. Then I had a graphics
shop computer cut out 3" vinyl squares in sheet form (this allows you to
apply all the squares in tack after removing the backing), applied the vinyl
to the rudder, trimmed the outside edges. I then peeled off the squares that
I wanted to paint and masked everything else off. I then painted the exposed
squares black. The next day I removed the rest of the vinyl and wet sanded
(lightly) around the black squares and shot a coat of clear on the rudder. It
came out nice I think. It also makes the plane look 10 knots faster.
Tim Barnes
N39TB
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| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
| Subject: | 112 Pounds Baggage in a 6A |
OK----porpoising--now I understand
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Nellis
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: 112 Pounds Baggage in a 6A
He pushed the stick forward or backward and let it go. The nose should go
up and down and then return to level trim (phugoid). It sounds like it took
a while (more than a couple of oscillations) for it to return level.
>
>
>
>
>
> Please translate.
>
>
> Greg
>
>
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| From: | AV8TURDON(at)AOL.COM |
A control check prior to take off should always be part of pre-takeoff check
and on the check list. That's the way we find out if we left the gust lock in
or if there is some other impairment to the controls.
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| From: | joe wiza <jwiza1(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV6-List: seal on RV-6 sliding canopy |
I had the same problem. ACE hardware had some self
sticking door jam cushning material I simply stuck it
to the areas (in back and along side the inside)of my
sliding canopy and the problem disappeared.
Joe
RV6A
--- KBoatri144(at)AOL.COM wrote:
>
> I'm fighting the same battle, and the best idea I've
> had so far is to make
> some foam rubber strips that will drop down into the
> channel between the side
> skirts and the slider rails. These would need to be
> soft enough to get
> sucked down into the canopy/fuselage gap during
> flight. You would simply
> lift the strips out and store them in the cockpit
> once you land, then drop
> them back into the gap when you went aviating again.
>
>
> For what it is worth, I've gotten a decent seal just
> by stuffing paper towels
> into this area in flight.
>
> Kyle Boatright - Kennesaw, GA
> RV-6 Slider, O-320/Aymar-Demuth
>
>
>
> through
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
> Matronics!
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Shook" <billshook(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Places to Visit in FL |
Lunch at Cedar Key on the gulf is one of my favorites...the taxi lady is a
real hoot. Calling traffic that you're 5 miles out and having a taxi lady
come back with 'do you need a ride' has always made me smile.
Bill
-4 wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 2:08 PM
Subject: RV-List: Places to Visit in FL
>
> Can you local Floridians suggest places to fly to to visit after we tire
of
> Sun&Fun? We were wondering about Everglades Airpark, X01.
>
> Dennis & Kathy Persyk N600DP
> Hampshire, IL
>
>
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| From: | Dave Bristol <bj034(at)lafn.org> |
| Subject: | Re: RV6-List: seal on RV-6 sliding canopy |
Remember that the air doesn't leak IN, it leaks OUT and there is a fair amount
of pressure - I lost 1/2 of a chart through there! (Yes, it was the half I
needed.)
Dave
> yet, when the air tries to leak in, it forces the springy,
> thin stand-up part of the V to press against the fuselage....
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| From: | "Edwin L French" <ted_french(at)canada.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV6-List: seal on RV-6 sliding canopy |
This is exactly what I used on my 6 and it works well. As the air pressure tries
to get out, it
seals tighter. Available at any hardware store that sells weather-strip.
Ted French
ted_french(at)canada.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "jayeandscott" <jayeandscott(at)home.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:18 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: RV6-List: seal on RV-6 sliding canopy
>
> On my -6 I'll be trying out the thin plastic strip that folds down the
> middle to form a "V" shape. One side is sticky. The advantage appears to be
> a pressure so light that when the canopy is run back and forth no distress
> to the paint; yet, when the air tries to leak in, it forces the springy,
> thin stand-up part of the V to press against the fuselage. It's sold in
> short lengths for sealing exterior doors and windows.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Heinrich Gerhardt <hgerhardt(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:31 PM
> Subject: RV6-List: seal on RV-6 sliding canopy
>
>
> > --> RV6-List message posted by: "Heinrich Gerhardt"
>
> >
> > Has anyone figured out an elegant way to seal the side skirts of a sliding
> > canopy RV-6? I'm thinking about a rubber-felt weatherstrip (like at the
> > base of a side window in a car), mounted on the side of the slider rail
> > contacting the skirt on the inside.
> >
> >
>
>
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"Bill & Georganna Babst" ,
"Chris & Lisa Babst" ,
"Phil & Stacy Ball" ,
"Diana Clifton" , "Cous. Kim" ,
"Mimi Gramps" , "Aunt Joan" ,
"Marg & Mark Boches" ,
"Tom & Connie Meier" ,
"David Newton" ,
"Morella Pease" ,
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"Dennis Thomas"
Subject: California
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:34:06 -0800
Subject: California Electricity & A Dose of Humor
(Gotta role with the punches somehow.)
America has engaged in some finger wagging
lately because California doesn't
have enough electricity to meet its needs. The
rest of the country
(including George W. Bush's energy secretary
Spencer Abraham, who wants
Californians to suffer through blackouts as
justification for drilling for
oil in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge) seems to be just fine with
letting Californians dangle in the breeze
without enough power to meet their
needs. They laugh at Californians' frivolity.
Well, everybody. Here's how it really is:
California ranks 48th in the nation in power
consumed per person.
California grows more than half the nation's
fruit, nuts and vegetables.
We're keeping them. We need something to eat
when the power goes out. We
grow 99 percent or more of the nation's
almonds, artichokes, dates, figs,
kiwifruit, olives, persimmons, pistachios,
prunes, raisins and walnuts. Hope
you won't miss them.
California is the nation's number one dairy
state. We're keeping our dairy
products. We'll need plenty of fresh ones
since our refrigerators can't be
relied upon. Got milk?
We Californians are gonna keep all our
high-tech software in state.
Silicon Valley is ours, after all. Without
enough electricity, which you're
apparently keeping for yourselves, we just
plain don't have enough software
to spare.
We're keeping all our airplanes. California
builds a good percentage of the
commercial airliners available to fly you
people to where you want to go.
When yours wear out, you'd better hope Boeing's
Washington plant can keep
you supplied. There isn't enough electricity
here to allow us to export any
more planes than we need ourselves. And while
we're at it, we're keeping
all our high-tech aerospace stuff, too, like
the sophisticated weapons
systems that let you sleep at night, not
worried you might wake up under the
rule of some foreign kook.
Oh, yeah, and if you want to make a long-distance call, remember where the
satellite components and tracking
systems come from. Maybe you could get back in
the habit of writing letters.
Want to see a blockbuster movie this weekend?
Come to California. We make
them here. Since we'll now have to make them
with our own electricity,
we're keeping them. Even if we shot them
somewhere else, the labs, printing
facilities, editing facilities, and sound
facilities are all here.
Want some nice domestic wine? We produce over
17 million gallons per year.
We'll need all it to drown our sorrows when we
think about the fact that no
matter how many California products we export
to make the rest of America's
lives better, America can't see its way clear
to help us out with a little
electricity. You can no longer have any of our
wine.
You all complain that we don't build enough
power plants. Well, you don't
grow enough food, write enough software, make
enough movies, build enough
airplanes and defense systems or make enough
wine.
This is your last warning, America. Lighten
(us) up before it's too late.
Love,
The Californians
Subject: California Electricity A Dose of Humor
(Gotta role
with the punches somehow.)
America has engaged in some finger
wagging
lately because California doesn't
have enough
electricity to meet its needs. The
rest of the
country
(including George W. Bush's energy
secretary
Spencer Abraham, who wants
Californians to suffer
through blackouts as
justification for drilling for
oil in Alaska's
Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge) seems to be just fine
with
letting Californians dangle in the breeze
without enough power
to meet their
needs. They laugh at Californians'
frivolity.
Well, everybody. Here's how it really
is:
California ranks 48th in the nation in power
consumed per
person.
California grows more than half the nation's
fruit, nuts
and vegetables.
We're keeping them. We need something to eat
when
the power goes out. We
grow 99 percent or more of the
nation's
almonds, artichokes, dates, figs,
kiwifruit, olives, persimmons,
pistachios,
prunes, raisins and walnuts. Hope
you won't miss
them.
California is the nation's number one dairy
state. We're keeping
our dairy
products. We'll need plenty of fresh ones
since our
refrigerators can't be
relied upon. Got milk?
We Californians
are gonna keep all our
high-tech software in state.
Silicon Valley
is ours, after all. Without
enough electricity, which
you're
apparently keeping for yourselves, we just
plain don't have
enough software
to spare.
We're keeping all our airplanes.
California
builds a good percentage of the
commercial airliners available
to fly you
people to where you want to go.
When yours wear out, you'd
better hope Boeing's
Washington plant can keep
you supplied. There
isn't enough electricity
here to allow us to export
any
more planes than we need ourselves. And
while
we're at it, we're keeping
all our high-tech aerospace
stuff, too, like
the sophisticated weapons
systems that let you
sleep at night, not
worried you might wake up under the
rule of some
foreign kook.
Oh, yeah, and if you want to make a
long-distance call, remember where the
satellite components and
tracking
systems come from. Maybe you could get back in
the
habit of writing letters.
Want to see a blockbuster movie this
weekend?
Come to California. We make
them here.
Since we'll now have to make them
with our own electricity,
we're
keeping them. Even if we shot them
somewhere else, the labs,
printing
facilities, editing facilities, and sound
facilities are
all here.
Want some nice domestic wine? We produce over
17
million gallons per year.
We'll need all it to drown our sorrows when
we
think about the fact that no
matter how many California
products we export
to make the rest of America's
lives better,
America can't see its way clear
to help us out with a
little
electricity. You can no longer have any of
our
wine.
You all complain that we don't build
enough
power plants. Well, you don't
grow enough food,
write enough software, make
enough movies, build enough
airplanes and
defense systems or make enough
wine.
This is your last warning,
America. Lighten
(us) up before it's too
late.
Love,
The Californians
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: LED dimming help |
I found and used 0-5K Ohms liner Potentiometers. I located them in an
electronics surplus place. I ones I got even have on click "ON-OFF". Their
total cost was $1.50 each. So far they have worked very well and I can vary
each LED maplight seperately.
Mike Robertson
RV-8A
>From: "Keith Hughes" <rv6tc(at)earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RV-List: LED dimming help
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:07:09 -0700
>
>
>OK, Uncle.
>
>I have searched the archives, the internet (to include Aero Electric Bob's
>site) and anywhere else I could think of. I'm searching for a dimmer that
>will dim the LED map lights that Van sells. After hours of work, I built
>the circuit that was in March's edition of Kitplanes, but it won't dim the
>lights. I'm an electric novice (as you can tell), but I would like to put
>independent dimming circuits in the plane.
>
>If there are any of you guys that "dabble" in electric circuits, especially
>ones that would be "Level 1" complexity, would you please tell my where I
>can find a reliable one.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Keith Hughes
>RV-6 Fuselage
>Parker, CO (collector, base, emitter????? Geeeeeze......)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Jory" <rickjory(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 6A Baggage Compartment Organizer |
How wide (side to side, not depth) is the ATO10?
Rick Jory RV8A QB
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Persyk <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 10:32 AM
Subject: RV-List: 6A Baggage Compartment Organizer
>
> In preparing for our Sun&Fun cross country, my wife Kathy has discovered
the
> ideal baggage compartment organizer for a 6 or 6A. It is called the
> CaseLogic model ATO10 Trunk Organizer, $9.99 at Target or order off the
web
> at http://www.casedirect.com/home.asp
>
> The organizer fits beautifully across the F605F horizontal channel behind
> the seats. We can both reach the many pockets in flight without loosening
> the Hooker Harness shoulder straps. We do have cut-down seat backs, which
> aid reaching things behind us.
>
> Installation was easy! Drill a #30 hole in each triangular gusset aft of
> the F605 to accept the mounting hooks in the organizer and put a Velcro
dot
> in the center of the F605 span to help keep the organizer from sagging.
>
> If this gadget were in Sporty's catalog it would probably go for $50 or
so!
>
> Dennis Persyk N600DP
> Hampshire, IL 68IS (C38)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mel Jordan" <n6jx(at)earthlink.net> |
A new RV6 took to the air today. N49GJ, serial # 22871, built and
flown by
Greg Johnson of Tucson, made a perfect 45 minute flight over Tucson
International Airport. Greg started his plane in March 1994, and flew
it
almost exactly seven years later. It is a beautiful polished aluminum
plane, with a fuel injected aerosport O-360, and a Hartzel CS prop and a
full panel. No leaks, no glitches, normal heavy wing, 175kts, huge
grin,
in other words, an standard RV first flight! Greg has been working on
refreshing his tailwheel skills recently with the help of the local RV
goodfellows that donated aircraft and instructions, so the takeoff and
landings were clean and straight.
We flew chase in Gene Gadis' RV8 and got some great photos and video of
the
event. The air was clear, the sky deep blue and the temp about 75 when
Greg
took off, a typical Tucson perfect flying day. Everybody seem to want
to
fly this morning at TUS; normal airline traffic, charter 747s taking
wildcat fans up to Minneapolis for the final four, lots of general
aviation
aircraft, student pilots in their Cessnas, and many flights of F-16s in
the
break. Yet the tower was great at fitting our flight of two into a
high
holding pattern over 11R, and then clearing the long wide one for us,
11L,
for the landing.
Seeing Greg accomplish this made me recognize that there is an end in
sight,
you just have to stay at it. The guys tell me I'm next. I sure hope
so!
Mel Jordan
RV6A QB
Instruments and Avionics
Tucson, AZ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | old ogre <jollyd(at)teleport.com> |
| Subject: | man'l trim control |
has anyone pix (e-mail) of man'l trim installation on a RV8a...need some
ideas on the placement. of the contorl cable....thanks in advance..
RV8a, finishing..I think...maybe...possibly...well.....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chuck Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4 rudder cracks |
Greg,
What's "a stall turn"? Sounds like half a spin....
Chuck
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | old ogre <jollyd(at)teleport.com> |
does any one in the greater portland-salem aerea have the large dimple
dies that fit the large inspection plates in the wings of the RV8's that
I could rent, beg, or borrow?I assume one uses the ones that use the
pop-rivet tool...thanks...503-678-3343
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 6A Baggage Compartment Organizer |
29 to 30 inches, depending on how much you stretch it. You could surgically
remove the end pockets and it would be 17 1/2 inches wide and still very
useful. The web site may have other organizers designed for back of one
seat mounting, but I didn't check it out.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Jory <rickjory(at)email.msn.com>
Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: 6A Baggage Compartment Organizer
>
>How wide (side to side, not depth) is the ATO10?
>Rick Jory RV8A QB
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dennis Persyk <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net>
>To: rv-list
>Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 10:32 AM
>Subject: RV-List: 6A Baggage Compartment Organizer
>
>
>>
>> In preparing for our Sun&Fun cross country, my wife Kathy has discovered
>the
>> ideal baggage compartment organizer for a 6 or 6A. It is called the
>> CaseLogic model ATO10 Trunk Organizer, $9.99 at Target or order off the
>web
>> at http://www.casedirect.com/home.asp
>>
>> The organizer fits beautifully across the F605F horizontal channel behind
>> the seats. We can both reach the many pockets in flight without
loosening
>> the Hooker Harness shoulder straps. We do have cut-down seat backs,
which
>> aid reaching things behind us.
>>
>> Installation was easy! Drill a #30 hole in each triangular gusset aft of
>> the F605 to accept the mounting hooks in the organizer and put a Velcro
>dot
>> in the center of the F605 span to help keep the organizer from sagging.
>>
>> If this gadget were in Sporty's catalog it would probably go for $50 or
>so!
>>
>> Dennis Persyk N600DP
>> Hampshire, IL 68IS (C38)
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Good <chrisjgood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airspeed Indicator |
>
>List: I know the general opinion of Falcon Gauges but has anybody flown
>with one of the True Airspeed Indicators that Vans sells?
> I had a United Instruments Airspeed Indicator on B\O last Winter and
>thought I received it last Spring (About a year ago). When I opened the box
>(This Week) a very nice looking True Airspeed Indicator marked for my RV6-A
>even back lit met my eyes. But it was a substitute by Falcon!
...
Tom,
I ordered the unlighted United true airspeed indicator (I can't remember
the exact model number) from Van's about 18 months ago. I received a
Falcon unit. Since the unit looked fine, & I hadn't at the time heard
anything bad about Falcon, I decided to use it.
In 150 hours of flying since last June the airspeed indicator has performed
perfectly & seems to be accurate.
Regards,
Chris Good, http://www.slinger.net/rv-6a/
West Bend, WI
RV6A-QB N86CG, 150 hrs
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie and Tupper England <cengland(at)netdoor.com> |
| Subject: | documents for sale of homebuilt |
Can anyone point me toward online versions of a/c bill of
sale & liability release? (Yes, I understand the futility)
I just spent about 15 minutes trying to search the EAA's
'members only' section & all I could get in search results
were appeals for my money.
Thanks,
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Odyssey Battery |
Subject: RV-List: Odyssey Battery
>
> I'm due to replace the battery in the -6A and like what I've read about
> Odyssey Batteries from the archives. Does anyone know of a "cheap" source
on
> an Odyssey 625 or 680? The cheapest I've fount so far was $99. One place
> quoted me a list price of $179.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Hudgins
>
Dave,
I just purchased two Odyssey 680s for $115 each which was the cheapest I
could find after much searching. I also saw price ranges from 159-179 as
most common. If ordering, make certain they know you do NOT want a metal
jacket. Apparently that version is common for motor cycles but does cost
more. You'll like the power to weigh ratio of the Odyssey. I used to use
the 22 lb Concord 25 AH RG, but found the 14 lb Odyssey produced more
cranking power (spun the engine faster/longer).
Ed Anderson
Matthews, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bryan McFarland" <mcfarland_bryan(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | oops rv -7 alive |
Sorry for the first post. I'm not sure how it became and HTML doc.
But the -7 is alive and flying. While I ws there they had 13 hours on her and doing
some mod work on the battery placement. The weather was down on the deck
also so couldn't go flying.
The preview manual was not yet printed. They hope to have it out for the Fun in
Sun.
The major differences as far as building is everthing is predrilled, the spar is
built and the panel is prepunched. I forgot to ask if they are still going to
have a blank panel but forgot.
Costs are as follows, this comes from the order sheet that I got:
empennage 1375.00
wing 5175.00
fuselage-7 5500.00 -7a 5000.00
finish -7 4225.00-7a5030.00
I was told that the empennage conversion skins to the .020 was going to be priced
at 105. and change.
Hope that you all can read this better and again sorry for the first post.
Bryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson(at)usjet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4 rudder cracks |
>The problem I have is the rudder skin R401 has
> developed cracks around the forward rivet of all but 1 of the skin
> stiffener angles on the starboard side only.
I believe the problem of skin cracking at the ends of the stiffeners can be
reduced if the stiffeners are made "less stiff" towards their ends. By
this, I mean tapering the flange of the angle, the flange perpendicular to
the skin, down to zero at the ends. Do this over the last 2" or so of each
end of the stiffeners. A side view of the flange perpendicular to the skin
would have a trapezoidal shape. I suspect that if the stiffeners are fully
"stiff" right up to their ends, they tend to really concentrate the movement
of the skin right at their ends. The same goes for the stiffeners on the
fuel tank skins.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
6A
------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson(at)usjet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 6A Baggage Compartment Organizer |
> 29 to 30 inches, depending on how much you stretch it. You could
surgically
> remove the end pockets and it would be 17 1/2 inches wide and still very
> useful. The web site may have other organizers designed for back of one
> seat mounting, but I didn't check it out.
On the same general topic...
I found that the cargo net from a Sable/Taurus wagon fits quite nicely in
the baggage area. Used four -4 nutplates in the floor to mount it. I guess
the groceries in my Dad's wagon might roll around a little now....
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
6A
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Im7shannon(at)AOL.COM |
Yea Baby, thats what we wanna hear! Got any pics to share with us garage
ridden RVers?
Kevin
-9A in WA
In a message dated 3/30/01 6:18:53 PM, n6jx(at)earthlink.net writes:
>
>A new RV6 took to the air today. N49GJ, serial # 22871, built and
>flown by
>Greg Johnson of Tucson, made a perfect 45 minute flight over Tucson
>International Airport. Greg started his plane in March 1994, and flew
>it
>almost exactly seven years later. It is a beautiful polished aluminum
>plane, with a fuel injected aerosport O-360, and a Hartzel CS prop and
>a
>full panel. No leaks, no glitches, normal heavy wing, 175kts, huge
>grin,
>in other words, an standard RV first flight! Greg has been working on
>refreshing his tailwheel skills recently with the help of the local RV
>goodfellows that donated aircraft and instructions, so the takeoff and
>landings were clean and straight.
>
>We flew chase in Gene Gadis' RV8 and got some great photos and video of
>the
>event. The air was clear, the sky deep blue and the temp about 75 when
>Greg
>took off, a typical Tucson perfect flying day. Everybody seem to want
>to
>fly this morning at TUS; normal airline traffic, charter 747s taking
>wildcat fans up to Minneapolis for the final four, lots of general
>aviation
>aircraft, student pilots in their Cessnas, and many flights of F-16s in
>the
>break. Yet the tower was great at fitting our flight of two into a
>high
>holding pattern over 11R, and then clearing the long wide one for us,
>11L,
>for the landing.
>
>Seeing Greg accomplish this made me recognize that there is an end in
>sight,
>you just have to stay at it. The guys tell me I'm next. I sure hope
>so!
>
>
>Mel Jordan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Rozendaal" <dougr(at)petroblend.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV4 rudder cracks |
I have cracks too, I attribute them to hammerheads and full rudder slips.
The more I did, the more cracks I saw. I fixed mine by stop-drilling them
and then covering them with epoxy "click" patches for fixing rivet leaks on
Cherokee fuel tanks. No problem since......
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
www.petroblend.com\dougr
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Peterson <alexpeterson(at)usjet.net>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV4 rudder cracks
>
> >The problem I have is the rudder skin R401 has
> > developed cracks around the forward rivet of all but 1 of the skin
> > stiffener angles on the starboard side only.
>
> I believe the problem of skin cracking at the ends of the stiffeners can
be
> reduced if the stiffeners are made "less stiff" towards their ends. By
> this, I mean tapering the flange of the angle, the flange perpendicular
to
> the skin, down to zero at the ends. Do this over the last 2" or so of
each
> end of the stiffeners. A side view of the flange perpendicular to the
skin
> would have a trapezoidal shape. I suspect that if the stiffeners are
fully
> "stiff" right up to their ends, they tend to really concentrate the
movement
> of the skin right at their ends. The same goes for the stiffeners on the
> fuel tank skins.
>
> Alex Peterson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gregory Scott" <gregory.scott1(at)virgin.net> |
Chuck,
A Hammerhead sounds like a Shark! Just different terms for the same
thing I believeRegards,
Greg.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gregory Scott" <gregory.scott1(at)virgin.net> |
| Subject: | RV4 Rudder Cracks |
Thanks Listers,
I now have a better understanding of my rudder problem. I have
re-examined the rudder with "new" eyes and have concluded that there had
been a little tension built in. It appears that the rudder spar flange
(on starboard only) is not set at the correct angle. The flange that
side, tends to set the skin on a slightly steeper angle than necessary,
causing the stiffeners to flatten the angle, thereby "loading the first
rivet of each stiffener.
Again thanks for the help from the List, for Denis Walsh's database:
my 4 has an 0-320 160hp D3G, Aymar De-muth wood prop, Mark Landoll
"dampener" Airflow Performance fuel injection and Lightspeed CD
Ignition in place of right magneto. plus one 700hr pilot that learns
something (sometimes re-learns) on every flight.
Greg Scott
RV4 G-RVIV U.K.
Rudder #2 (improved)
________________________________________________________________________________
Hey listers-
A lot of us have mentioned plans to go to sun-n-fun, can we somehow influence
Matt to maintain a master list? we send in our names, print out the list on
Friday before hopping into the big (or small) bird for Fla, and search each
other out down there?
I'll be there, Dennis Persyk says he'll be there- who else is going? and how
would we recognize each other? wear convention badges? tattoos on our
foreheads? silly grins?
Anyway- something to chew on..
see ya at Sun-n-Fun!
Ed Winne
RV-9A
Palmyra PA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KBoatri144(at)AOL.COM |
In a message dated 3/31/01 6:18:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ewinne(at)AOL.COM
writes:
> I'll be there, Dennis Persyk says he'll be there- who else is going? and how
> would we recognize each other? wear convention badges? tattoos on our
> foreheads? silly grins?
>
> Anyway- something to chew on..
>
> see ya at Sun-n-Fun!
>
> Ed Winne
> RV-9A
> Palmyra PA
>
I'll be there (weather and a few few remaining fly-off hours permitting).
The easy way to recognize me is I'll be the guy standing hawkishly over the
white and yellow RV with black and white checkerboard rudder...
Seriously, if you walk the RV flightline, you'll probably recognize 1/3 of
the names on the propeller placquards. Often, the owner won't be far away.
Kyle Boatright - Kennesaw, GA
RV-6 Slider, O-320/Aymar-Demuth
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary J. Strong" <gstrong(at)qwest.net> |
| Subject: | Epoxy Click Patch - was RV4 rudder cracks |
Doug,
what is an epoxy click patch?
Gary S. - RV6QB - rudder
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Rozendaal
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV4 rudder cracks
I have cracks too, I attribute them to hammerheads and full rudder slips.
The more I did, the more cracks I saw. I fixed mine by stop-drilling them
and then covering them with epoxy "click" patches for fixing rivet leaks on
Cherokee fuel tanks. No problem since......
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
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| From: | "Vincent S. Himsl" <vhimsl(at)turbonet.com> |
| Subject: | RV8 Fuselage F815 to F804 Attach |
Hello,
STAGE: Fuselage measuring the F804 to rear spar distance to insure wings
will fit prior to 'tacking down' the F815 floor rib.
PROBLEM: Though everything lines up, the F815 floor rib flange does not
tuck under the F804 main carry through spar flange enough to rivet through
it and still maintain rivet hole to edge(end) clearance.
March 25, 2001 - March 31, 2001
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