RV-Archive.digest.vol-kv
May 30, 2001 - June 05, 2001
Some thought the constant speed name meant that the prop would turn a
constant speed while the engine varied. Some that the prop speed varied
forcing the engine to stay constant etc. Some just said fly by the manual
as thinking about it gets the pilot all discombobulated. Further confusion
comes from flat pitch, high setting, climb pitch and other terms tossed
around.
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| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
| Subject: | Flashing lights to full brightness |
Sounds like a good idea "except" I would have to have help on how to do
this. I can follow pictures pretty good! :o)
Greg Tanner
RV-9A WINGS
O-320 D1A/CATTO
N80BR RESERVED
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of W. Granville
Batte
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:55 AM
Subject: RV-List: Flashing lights to full brightness
Bill, Greg,
For getting full brightness out of flashing incandescent lights, you may
want to consider biasing them with a "low level" "on". This could be
achieved by inserting a light dimmer circuit (similar to a recent article in
Kit Plane) in the manner of a logical "OR" where the level is turned up just
enough to get the filament to barely glow, but not enough put out any
significant light. Thereby, the filament doesn't have to "ramp-up" as far,
and the response time to full brightness is much quicker.
Just a thought, hope it helps.
Granville
From: Bob Haan <bhaan(at)easystreet.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Wiring REV 4
>
>Bill,
>On your wig wag schematic, you show GE 50 watt low voltage track lighting
>bulbs. Are these what your landing/light taxi lights are? I have the
>Duckworth lights and was planning on swapping the 50 watt bulbs for some
100
>watters. Would this overload the wig wag system?
>
>Greg
Greg,
Very important question. To be seen well in daylight, the
wigwaging lights should be at least 100 watts each side and they must come
up to full bright. If the WIgWag rate is to fast, they will not get to
full bright.
Bob
Bob Haan
http://easystreet.com/~bhaan/
bhaan(at)easystreet.com
Portland, OR
RV6A 24461 Wiring the panel
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| From: | joe wiza <jwiza1(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List: another dumb question |
Couple of years back Vans did not recommend this, to
much viberation seems the wings dampen it.
Joe
RV6A/flying
--- gert wrote:
>
>
> Didn't somebody a couple of years back wreck an rv
> by running the engine
> without wings. If I remember well the fuse rolled
> when the engine did a
> major hickup....could be wrong though...but ever
> since reading this
> somewhere I have wondered about that....
>
> Gert
>
> Sally and George wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > Don't think you'll do any structural damage. Why
> not wait till the wings
> > are hung, though. Then you won't have to rig a
> fuel tank and feed. How you
> > gonna tie it down?
> >
> > George
> > N888GK
> >
> > >From: old ogre <jollyd(at)teleport.com>
> > >Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> > >To: "RV-8-List (E-mail)"
> > >Subject: RV8-List: another dumb question
> > >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:43:51 -0700
> > >
> > >--> RV8-List message posted by: old ogre
>
> > >
> > >I have a RV8A...the fuse is almost finished, with
> the engine hung,
> > >wired, plumbed, ect...the wings are still
> off...is it safe to run the
> > >engine with the wings off, or will sturcture
> damage result?....thanks..
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> amount of $500
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> through
>
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| From: | "Kevin Schlosser" <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Canopy / LG Type, Etc. |
[Lurk Mode Off]
Hi Folks,
I've been in semi-lurk mode lately. I'm pursuing my pilot's license and I am
seriously planning on building my own aircraft. I'm very close to making my
decision on the kit I plan to build. I was initially thinking of building a Kolb
Mark 3 Extra as my first kit and do an RV-7 later (money and skill intimidation
factors). After reading my course study from
RVU (Internet RV University :-) and seeing all the websites documenting construction
of the RV, I think I can do it too. I'm mechanically inclined for all
but the engine. I'll learn though. I also have a few friends that restore warbirds
and private aircraft. They are happy to advise when I get jammed up.
My wife knows it is inevitable that I am going to build a plane. After talking
with her, her latest thoughts are: 1) As long as she can still garage her car,
fine. 2) She wants it to be a side-by-side seating arrangement so she doesn't
just get thrown in back just for the ride. 3) Make sure I still furnish the
house. It looks like she's finally accepting the fact that I will build an
airplane.
I'm looking at building a RV-7. I like the idea of the choice of canopy design
and landing gear. I was thinking of doing the taildragger 7 with a sliding
canopy. I had a few questions about the canopy though. Which canopy would be
considered safer in the event of a nose-over rough field landing. I would think
you'd have a better chance of getting the canopy open to get out in a hurry.
I would also think that the roll bar being built into the windshield would
add to the survivability and safety in a nose-over. While nobody plans to nose-over
thier aircraft, I'd like to
increase my odds should it occur. I read about the birdstrike incident on one
of the websites and it makes you think a bit.
I like the view that the tip up canopy provides too. There's something to be
said for a nice unobstructed view. I would sacrifice the ability
to attach anything to the front windshield roll-over bar (compass, etc) if I went
with the tip-up. I also like the ability to taxi and run-up with the canopy
rolled back in the summer for those occasional long waits for the pilots in
front of me. It would also be nice to be able to lock the canopy in the slightly
open position for venting at summer fly-ins.
Does the jettison option exist for both canopy types? How about height clearance
for tall folks. Which canopy offers more head clearance?
I'm nearly positive I want a taildragger LG. I will need transition training to
tailwheel though.
I just need some ideas about the canopy choices before I make my decision.
Kevin Schlosser
-< PropellerHead >-
Future RV-7 Builder
I haven't been this jazzed since the last day of school as a kid!
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| Subject: | Re: cheap fuel in Missouri? |
Don,t know current prices but Salem, Mo. used to be good.
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| From: | Im7shannon(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy / LG Type, Etc. |
You forgot to ask what type of primer to use, too. Just kidding, there is
tons of info in the archives debating slider vs tipup, tail vs nose, primer
wars. It all just boils down to personal preference. IMHO
Kevin in WA -9A
hooking up turn signals and windshield wipers
>
> [Lurk Mode Off]
> Hi Folks,
>
> I've been in semi-lurk mode lately. I'm pursuing my pilot's license an>
d I am seriously planning on building my own aircraft. I'm very close to> making
my decision on the kit I plan to build. I was initially thinking> of
building a Kolb Mark 3 Extra as my first kit and do an RV-7 later (mo> ney and
skill intimidation factors). After reading my course study from
> RVU (Internet RV University :-) and seeing all the websites documenti> ng
construction of the RV, I think I can do it too. I'm mechanically inc> lined
for all but the engine. I'll learn though. I also have a few frie> nds that
restore warbirds and private aircraft. They are happy to advise> when I get
jammed up.
>
> My wife knows it is inevitable that I am going to build a plane. After>
talking with her, her latest thoughts are: 1) As long as she can still g> arage
her car, fine. 2) She wants it to be a side-by-side seating arrange> ment
so she doesn't just get thrown in back just for the ride. 3) Make s> ure I
still furnish the house. It looks like she's finally accepting the> fact that
I will build an airplane.
>
> I'm looking at building a RV-7. I like the idea of the choice of canop>
y design and landing gear. I was thinking of doing the taildragger 7 wit> h
a sliding canopy. I had a few questions about the canopy though. Whic> h canopy
would be considered safer in the event of a nose-over rough fiel> d landing.
I would think you'd have a better chance of getting the canop> y open to
get out in a hurry. I would also think that the roll bar being> built into
the windshield would add to the survivability and safety in a> nose-over.
While nobody plans to nose-over thier aircraft, I'd like to
> increase my odds should it occur. I read about the birdstrike incident o>
n one of the websites and it makes you think a bit.
>
> I like the view that the tip up canopy provides too. There's something>
to be said for a nice unobstructed view. I would sacrifice the ability
> to attach anything to the front windshield roll-over bar (compass, etc) i>
f I went with the tip-up. I also like the ability to taxi and run-up wit> h
the canopy rolled back in the summer for those occasional long waits fo> r the
pilots in front of me. It would also be nice to be able to lock th> e canopy
in the slightly open position for venting at summer fly-ins.
>
> Does the jettison option exist for both canopy types? How about height>
clearance for tall folks. Which canopy offers more head clearance?
>
> I'm nearly positive I want a taildragger LG. I will need transition trai>
ning to tailwheel though.
> I just need some ideas about the canopy choices before I make my decision>
.
>
> Kevin Schlosser
> -< PropellerHead >-
> Future RV-7 Builder
> I haven't been this jazzed since the last day of school as a kid!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl Hinge Pins |
In a message dated 5/29/01 5:31:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ENewton57(at)aol.com writes:
> My question is regarding the 1/8" hinge pins for the cowl. They seem very
> flexible and soft. When you bend them even slightly, they stay bent. They
> obviously are not made out of the same material as the other hinge which
> are
> very stiff and springy. Are they made from a different material? Seems
> kind
> of weak to me. They bend fairly easy while I try to push them into the
> hinges and seem to be getting distorted somewhat.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric Newton - Long Beach, Mississippi
> RV-6A N57ME (Reserved) (Engine Cowling)
> http://www.ericsrv6a.com
>
>
Eric, Your local hobby shop stocks piano wire in 36 in lengths,
It`s used in R C modeling. The wire in my hinges is .093 in diameter. Yours
too probably.
Fred LaForge RV-4 180 CS EAA tech counselor
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| From: | "Terry Watson" <tcwatson(at)seanet.com> |
Guys,
Have a look at the very last page of AOPA Pilot, the June issue, and see
what kind of company we keep. You have seen the name of this RV-7 builder
on the RV list.
Terry (as in Terrence)
RV-8A fuselage
Seattle
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| From: | "Brian Denk" <akroguy(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy / LG Type, Etc. |
I personally find the slider to be THE numero uno choice for getting the
most utility from an RV. The tip-up -6A I recently took for a spin smacked
me on the noggin from a slight wind gust blowing the canopy down as I was
boarding the aircraft. Not fun. The view is, indeed, very nice, but it's
not a remarkable difference from the slider with the rollbar. All the RV's
have wonderful visibility, with any flavor of canopy. I really enjoy being
able to slide the canopy all the way aft during taxi operations in my -8.
That prop produces a lot of cabin ventilation. You also get the added
benefit of being able to hang your arm over the side so as to both LOOK cool
and BE cool at the same time.
Survivability of either canopy design when upside down in the mud can be
debated at great length. I do know that a former -8A driver ended up this
way and both he and his wife were able to get out of the airplane. The
rollbar supported the airplane adequately. I have no personal knowlege of
how a tip-up handles this scenario. It does appear somewhat easier to
completely jettison the tip-up via the handle installed per plans. There is
no such provision for the slider, and would have to be done via pull pins on
each side to detach the slider frame from the rollers.
The choice of landing gear is also a hotly debated topic! Just pick the one
you like. I like the taildragger, so that's what I chose. I like the way
it looks on the -8, but actually like the appearance of the -6A versus the
-6. Go figure.
Have fun making your decision.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
208 hrs.
Arlington and Longmont planned for this summer.
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| From: | "Brian Denk" <akroguy(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy / LG Type, Etc. |
I personally find the slider to be THE numero uno choice for getting the
most utility from an RV. The tip-up -6A I recently took for a spin smacked
me on the noggin from a slight wind gust blowing the canopy down as I was
boarding the aircraft. Not fun. The view is, indeed, very nice, but it's
not a remarkable difference from the slider with the rollbar. All the RV's
have wonderful visibility, with any flavor of canopy. I really enjoy being
able to slide the canopy all the way aft during taxi operations in my -8.
That prop produces a lot of cabin ventilation. You also get the added
benefit of being able to hang your arm over the side so as to both LOOK cool
and BE cool at the same time.
Survivability of either canopy design when upside down in the mud can be
debated at great length. I do know that a former -8A driver ended up this
way and both he and his wife were able to get out of the airplane. The
rollbar supported the airplane adequately. I have no personal knowlege of
how a tip-up handles this scenario. It does appear somewhat easier to
completely jettison the tip-up via the handle installed per plans. There is
no such provision for the slider, and would have to be done via pull pins on
each side to detach the slider frame from the rollers.
The choice of landing gear is also a hotly debated topic! Just pick the one
you like. I like the taildragger, so that's what I chose. I like the way
it looks on the -8, but actually like the appearance of the -6A versus the
-6. Go figure.
Have fun making your decision.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
208 hrs.
Arlington and Longmont planned for this summer.
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| From: | "Brian Denk" <akroguy(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy / LG Type, Etc. |
I personally find the slider to be THE numero uno choice for getting the
most utility from an RV. The tip-up -6A I recently took for a spin smacked
me on the noggin from a slight wind gust blowing the canopy down as I was
boarding the aircraft. Not fun. The view is, indeed, very nice, but it's
not a remarkable difference from the slider with the rollbar. All the RV's
have wonderful visibility, with any flavor of canopy. I really enjoy being
able to slide the canopy all the way aft during taxi operations in my -8.
That prop produces a lot of cabin ventilation. You also get the added
benefit of being able to hang your arm over the side so as to both LOOK cool
and BE cool at the same time.
Survivability of either canopy design when upside down in the mud can be
debated at great length. I do know that a former -8A driver ended up this
way and both he and his wife were able to get out of the airplane. The
rollbar supported the airplane adequately. I have no personal knowlege of
how a tip-up handles this scenario. It does appear somewhat easier to
completely jettison the tip-up via the handle installed per plans. There is
no such provision for the slider, and would have to be done via pull pins on
each side to detach the slider frame from the rollers.
The choice of landing gear is also a hotly debated topic! Just pick the one
you like. I like the taildragger, so that's what I chose. I like the way
it looks on the -8, but actually like the appearance of the -6A versus the
-6. Go figure.
Have fun making your decision.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
208 hrs.
Arlington and Longmont planned for this summer.
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Odyssey Battery... |
>
>
> Hi all...
>
> I just bought an Odyssey PC625 Drycell battery from
http://abatterystore.com
> for $73.95 (free shipping)... They also sell the PC680 for $98.54 (free
> shipping)... Just call them at 1-888-228-8379 and tell them what you
> want...
>
> You can find specs on this battery here:
> http://www.odysseybatteries.com/motorcycle.htm
> and
> http://www.batteriesplus.com/Product/slacidrechg.html
>
> Bill VonDane, Colorado Springs, CO
> RV-8A, N8VD, Wiring & Plumbing
> http://vondane.com/rv8a/
>
>
I might add that if you look up the battery with the code P680MJ the "MJ"
stands for Metal Jacket (for motorcycle use). You do not need the MJ
version for your RV and they cost/weigh slightly more than without the metal
jacket. Ask for their price on the P680 without metal jacket. By the way,
I just purchased two P685s a month or two ago and the quoted prices on
several web sites ranged from $115 to $159, so these prices are really good.
Ed Anderson
RV-6A N494BW
Matthews, NC
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| From: | "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)mpinet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel press fluctuation |
Eric,
Lycoming service bulletin #548
Applies to fuel pumps LW-15472, LW-15473, & LW-16335. If the last 4 digits
in the code (The date code) stamped on the mounting flange are one of the
following, the pump should be inspected and replaced.
3900 4000 4100 4200 4300 4400 4500 4600 4700 4800 4900 5000 5100
5200 0101 0201 0301 0401
If the letter "A" is stamped as a suffix after the date code, the pump has
been repaired by the Mfg. and replacement is not necessary
They dont say who is going to pay for this but I guess it will be the
customer as usual.
Regards, Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <Eric.J.Henson(at)chase.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel press fluctuation
>
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> Can you send me the #s listed? I have an IO-320 and this high pressure
> makes me a little nervous. Is this the engine driven pump?
>
> Thanks
>
> Eric
>
>
> "William Davis" (at)matronics.com on 05/26/2001 09:38:34
> PM
>
> Please respond to rv-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Sent by: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
>
> To:
> cc:
> Subject: Re: RV-List: fuel press fluctuation
>
>
> Stewart,
>
> Have you seen the Lycoming service letter about the high pressure engine
> pumps? They have had 3 of them fail in the test cell. Suspect numbers are
> listed. I don't have the letter in front of me, it is out at the hangar.
>
> Bill N48WD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RVer273sb(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 8:20 PM
> Subject: RV-List: fuel press fluctuation
>
>
> >
> > I have a good problem for you fellow RVers.
> > I experienced fuel press fluctuations on the way home from
> > a 100 mile trip. (fuel injected) I had pressures from 18 to 28
> > on the engine driven pump. Seemed to be mostly on the right
> > tank. I had a bouncy fuel press gage anyway so I installed a
> > new gage. Same problem... Installed a new engine driven pump.
> > Same problem... Removed the right tank and opened up inboard
> > access plate. Checked flop tube for security and vaccuum checked
> > for leaks, none found. Ran a wire thru the vent tube and also blew it
> > out and found no problem. Closed up and sealed the tank. Filled it
> > up and flew today. Same problem with even some engine stumbling
> > thrown in... All fuel lines to the boost pump are 3/8 alum...
> > Any suggestions out there in RV land???
> > Stewart RV4 N273SB
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | ENewton57(at)aol.com |
Just for everyone's info. The 1/8" hinges meant to secure the cowling on the plane
comes with aluminum hinge pins installed. These are very soft and in my
opinion are not meant to be used for the actual assembly. The kit also comes
with some extra 1/8" stainless steel pins that are meant to be used. Maybe its
just me, but I couldn't find reference to this fact in the manual or plans about
substituting the pins. Lucky for me I'm on this list and guys like you can
help out newbies like me.
This is for the archives and future builders. File it away in your memory banks
for when you get to the cowling installation.
Eric Newton - Long Beach, MS
RV 6A (Cowling fitted - baffles are next)
www.ericsrv6a.com
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: c/s prop/throttle techniques |
There is indeed confusion surrounding the C/S prop because of the
variables involved: mixture, prop pitch, engine rpm, the prop
governor/oil pressure and +/- turbocharging/supercharging. We'll
dispense with boosted air, for now, including big radials.
You'll notice that the Lycoming power charts that have "oversquare"
recommendations are for CRUISE power at 75% or less. There's a huge
difference between (1)loafing along fat, dumb and happy at 65% power and
(2)having to apply immediate full throttle for whatever reason. If your
prop can't absorb and transmit the acceleration load, you aren't going
to have much of an engine left. And, what did you do with the mixture
control? Can you spell detonation?
Oversquare is also a relative term (like my brother-in-law)--the more
oversquare you are, the more trouble you're likely to generate if you
have to push full power. Cruising is cool.
How many of you know what the default pitch position on your prop is
when you lose oil pressure while trying an emergency go around or going
down hill in an aerobatic maneuver? Are your blades counter-weighted or
non-counter-weighted and which way does your governor send the oil?
As to shock-cooling, Lycoming recommends a minimum of 15" MAP at the
"lowest cruise rpm"--this is not to exceed a cooling greater than a CHT
of 50 degrees per minute.
I know this sounds like a really shit*y lecture, but, the point is, is
that cruising oversquare, within Lycoming guidelines, is not, in any
way, like accelerating to full power in an oversquare condition.
Boyd Braem
"Benson, Bradley" wrote:
>
>
> I would have asked the CFI to show me how the prop could turn at a different
> speed than the crankshaft it was attached to :-).
>
> Cheers,
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kempthornes [mailto:kempthornes(at)home.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:34 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: c/s prop techniques
>
>
> - snip -
>
> Some thought the constant speed name meant that the prop would turn a
> constant speed while the engine varied. Some that the prop speed varied
> forcing the engine to stay constant etc. Some just said fly by the manual
> as thinking about it gets the pilot all discombobulated. Further confusion
> comes from flat pitch, high setting, climb pitch and other terms tossed
> around.
>
> - snip -
>
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| From: | "kempthornes" <kempthornes(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: c/s prop techniques |
Jody Villa discombobulates my poor mind with:
>It's really manifold vacuum not pressure.
I wondered about that during my training too. I used to have a truck with a
vacuum gauge. It went highest when decelerating. When I stomped the
throttle the vac would go down to a few inches.
Surely MAP is not an accurate way to determine power being output as it is
very high with the engine shut off. Maybe it just measures atmospheric
pressure (29.92 on a standard day) inside the manifold. Hopefully during
operation the MAP gauge shows a value less than the barometric pressure.
At full power the difference is just a few inches.
My head hurts, back to Java.
Hal Kempthorne
RV6a N7HK (Valentine) FLYING
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy / LG Type, Etc. & CS Prop |
| From: | Larry Pardue <n5lp(at)carlsbad.net> |
>
>
To this poster who has questions of canopy type and landing gear type and
to other recent posters about constant speed propellers.
May I recommend Doug Reeves' mega RV website http://www.vansaircraft.net
Among the many things on this site is a great treatment of the above
questions by Martin Sutter. Martin was my sheet metal instructor and he
has had wood fixed pitch, metal fixed pitch and constant speed props on
his own taildragger/tipup six. He discusses all these options and also
discusses taildragger versus trigear in the most objective way I have
seen.
There is another article by an anonymous poster regarding the gear
question. I can't recommend it as highly, but it is another opinion.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| From: | "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> |
Don't leave us in suspense! I don't subscribe...
--
Scott VanArtsdalen, MCSE, CCNA
Network Administrator
Union Safe Deposit Bank
209-946-5116
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Watson [mailto:tcwatson(at)seanet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:58 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Builder profile
Guys,
Have a look at the very last page of AOPA Pilot, the June
issue, and see
what kind of company we keep. You have seen the name of
this RV-7 builder
on the RV list.
Terry (as in Terrence)
RV-8A fuselage
Seattle
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| From: | RVer273sb(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: fuel press fluctuation |
Thank you for this information!!!
Stewart, RV4 Co.
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| From: | "Wes" <whays(at)camalott.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my computer! |
Folks, I received this message from a friend of mine. I checked my computer
and it was present. I have Norton virus protection and it got by it.
Supposedly gets by McAfee also. You may have gotten this from me so I am
forwarding this information to you. Check Quickly, the date of activation is
supposed to be June 1, 2001. The directions are below.
Thanks.
Wes Hays
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn West" <ckjmwest(at)wtez.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my computer!
> All,
>
> I received this from my Uncle, who received it from his daoughter-in-law
> who works in Washington, DC. I performed the search, found the supposedly
> infected file and deleted it. You may want to do the same.
>
> James
>
>
> I got this message from our daughterinlaw Ada who works in Wash.D.C.with
> computers & satalite comunications. I checked this info out on my computer
> and found it and got it out of the system..follow her directions and if
> you got it this should clear you
> ......good luck BEN
> ----- Original Message -----
> Subject: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my computer!
>
> My e-mail is on the blink at work, but I received this e-mail from a
friend.
> Please check your computers! I did and found this virus. He did also.
>
> Since I can't forward his e-mail, I'm going to have to type it in!!
UUGGGHH!
>
> ada
>
> WHEN I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION, I CHECKED MY COMPUTER
(FOLLOWING
> THE DIRECTIONS BELOW) AND SURE ENOUGH, THERE IT WAS. PLEASE TAKE A FEW
> MOMENTS TO READ THE FOLLOWING. I AM VERY CAREFUL NOT TO OPEN ATTACHMENTS
> WITH A .EXE, BUT SOMEHOW THIS SNUCK THROUGH BOTH MCAFEE AND NORTON (WHICH
> WOULD MAKE SENSE IF IT DOESN'T ACTIVATE ITSELF UNTIL JUNE 1).
>
> Subject: VIRUS TO DESTROY BEFORE IT ACTIVATES ON JUNE 1. NOT A JOKE!
> IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT A VIRUS!! PLEASE CHECK YOUR PC'S FOR IT!
> Received the following from a friend. Please follow directions to find
> and delete the file. Virus software cannot detect it. It will not become
> active until June 1, 2001. At that point, it will become active and will
> be too late. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard drive. This
> virus travels through e-mail and migrates to the C:\windows\command
folder.
> To find it and delete it off your computer, do the following:
>
> Go to the START button.
> Go to the FIND or SEARCH.
> Go to FILES & FOLDERS.
> Make sure the find box is searching the C drive.
> Type in: SULFNBK.exe
> Begin Search.
>
> If it finds it, highlight it and press the DELETE key on your keyboard.
> Close the dialog box. Open the RECYCLE BIN. Find the file and delete
> it from the Recycle bin. You should be safe.
>
> The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have sent ANY e-mail
> to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has been on our
> computers.
> DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. MCAFEE NOR NORTON CAN DETECT
> IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST.. IT WILL BE TOO
> LATE THEN. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!!!!!!
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wes" <whays(at)camalott.com> |
| Subject: | Virus Hoax SULFNBK.EXE |
Virus warning message a hoax. Sorry about that, I should have checked
further. I am very embarrassed. Hope you did not follow the previous
instructions.
----- Original Message -----
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kmw65(at)hotmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:18 PM
Subject: Fwd: I found this on the internet, read and pass on
I FOUND THIS OUT 5 MINUTES AFTER I DELETED THE FILE.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my |
computer!
Wait! What's the name of the virus. What systems does it attack? MSOutlook?
Just PC's; ?Mac's. This sounds strange to find a virus in this fashion.
Boyd Braem
Wes wrote:
>
>
> Folks, I received this message from a friend of mine. I checked my computer
> and it was present. I have Norton virus protection and it got by it.
> Supposedly gets by McAfee also. You may have gotten this from me so I am
> forwarding this information to you. Check Quickly, the date of activation is
> supposed to be June 1, 2001. The directions are below.
>
> Thanks.
> Wes Hays
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carolyn West" <ckjmwest(at)wtez.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my computer!
>
> > All,
> >
> > I received this from my Uncle, who received it from his daoughter-in-law
> > who works in Washington, DC. I performed the search, found the supposedly
> > infected file and deleted it. You may want to do the same.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > I got this message from our daughterinlaw Ada who works in Wash.D.C.with
> > computers & satalite comunications. I checked this info out on my computer
> > and found it and got it out of the system..follow her directions and if
> > you got it this should clear you
> > ......good luck BEN
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Subject: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my computer!
> >
> > My e-mail is on the blink at work, but I received this e-mail from a
> friend.
> > Please check your computers! I did and found this virus. He did also.
> >
> > Since I can't forward his e-mail, I'm going to have to type it in!!
> UUGGGHH!
> >
> > ada
> >
> > WHEN I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION, I CHECKED MY COMPUTER
> (FOLLOWING
> > THE DIRECTIONS BELOW) AND SURE ENOUGH, THERE IT WAS. PLEASE TAKE A FEW
> > MOMENTS TO READ THE FOLLOWING. I AM VERY CAREFUL NOT TO OPEN ATTACHMENTS
> > WITH A .EXE, BUT SOMEHOW THIS SNUCK THROUGH BOTH MCAFEE AND NORTON (WHICH
> > WOULD MAKE SENSE IF IT DOESN'T ACTIVATE ITSELF UNTIL JUNE 1).
> >
> > Subject: VIRUS TO DESTROY BEFORE IT ACTIVATES ON JUNE 1. NOT A JOKE!
> > IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT A VIRUS!! PLEASE CHECK YOUR PC'S FOR IT!
> > Received the following from a friend. Please follow directions to find
> > and delete the file. Virus software cannot detect it. It will not become
> > active until June 1, 2001. At that point, it will become active and will
> > be too late. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard drive. This
> > virus travels through e-mail and migrates to the C:\windows\command
> folder.
> > To find it and delete it off your computer, do the following:
> >
> > Go to the START button.
> > Go to the FIND or SEARCH.
> > Go to FILES & FOLDERS.
> > Make sure the find box is searching the C drive.
> > Type in: SULFNBK.exe
> > Begin Search.
> >
> > If it finds it, highlight it and press the DELETE key on your keyboard.
> > Close the dialog box. Open the RECYCLE BIN. Find the file and delete
> > it from the Recycle bin. You should be safe.
> >
> > The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have sent ANY e-mail
> > to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has been on our
> > computers.
> > DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. MCAFEE NOR NORTON CAN DETECT
> > IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST.. IT WILL BE TOO
> > LATE THEN. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!!!!!!
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> |
(Austin's great email deleted for brevity)
Well put, Austin. I think the best thing a guy can do is decide for himself
what he wants. What canopy design, what landing gear configuration, what
primer, what instruments, what colors is all up to the builder. It seems
like a lot to decide. Just look at all the RV's out there, pick your
favorite, and build it. Don't worry about what anyone says about sliders,
tailwheels, nosewheels, or colors. Build the plane YOU want. You'll always
find someone who will say "Well I wouldn't have chosen that one" or "I
wouldn't have done it that way."
Doesn't matter because you are not building the plane for anyone but
yourself. Go out there and build YOUR plane.
And just for everyone's information, all the really cool guys are building
RV-4's. It takes a helluva' pilot to shoehorn his fat butt into that skinny
cockpit, deal with that aft CG tendancy, and toss his significant other
kicking and screaming into the back seat.
--
Scott (just wear your oxygen and climb to FL 150, she'll shut up eventually)
VanArtsdalen, MCSE, CCNA
Network Administrator
Union Safe Deposit Bank
209-946-5116
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Are Barstad" <abarstad(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | RE: RV-List Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my computer! |
This is a hoax! I know you didn't do this intentionally Wes but you should
not have deleted this file. Here's a transcript from the Symantic website:
"This particular email message is a hoax. The file that is mentioned in the
hoax, however, Sulfnbk.exe, is a Microsoft Windows utility that is used to
restore long file names, and like any .exe file, it can be infected by a
virus that targets .exe files."
Go here for more info and for info how to restore the file if you should
have deleted it:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html
Are
RV-8 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wes
Sent: May 30, 2001 7:43 PM
Subject: RV-List: Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my
computer!
Folks, I received this message from a friend of mine. I checked my computer
and it was present. I have Norton virus protection and it got by it.
Supposedly gets by McAfee also. You may have gotten this from me so I am
forwarding this information to you. Check Quickly, the date of activation is
supposed to be June 1, 2001. The directions are below.
Thanks.
Wes Hays
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn West" <ckjmwest(at)wtez.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my computer!
> All,
>
> I received this from my Uncle, who received it from his daoughter-in-law
> who works in Washington, DC. I performed the search, found the supposedly
> infected file and deleted it. You may want to do the same.
>
> James
>
>
> I got this message from our daughterinlaw Ada who works in Wash.D.C.with
> computers & satalite comunications. I checked this info out on my computer
> and found it and got it out of the system..follow her directions and if
> you got it this should clear you
> ......good luck BEN
> ----- Original Message -----
> Subject: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my computer!
>
> My e-mail is on the blink at work, but I received this e-mail from a
friend.
> Please check your computers! I did and found this virus. He did also.
>
> Since I can't forward his e-mail, I'm going to have to type it in!!
UUGGGHH!
>
> ada
>
> WHEN I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION, I CHECKED MY COMPUTER
(FOLLOWING
> THE DIRECTIONS BELOW) AND SURE ENOUGH, THERE IT WAS. PLEASE TAKE A FEW
> MOMENTS TO READ THE FOLLOWING. I AM VERY CAREFUL NOT TO OPEN ATTACHMENTS
> WITH A .EXE, BUT SOMEHOW THIS SNUCK THROUGH BOTH MCAFEE AND NORTON (WHICH
> WOULD MAKE SENSE IF IT DOESN'T ACTIVATE ITSELF UNTIL JUNE 1).
>
> Subject: VIRUS TO DESTROY BEFORE IT ACTIVATES ON JUNE 1. NOT A JOKE!
> IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT A VIRUS!! PLEASE CHECK YOUR PC'S FOR IT!
> Received the following from a friend. Please follow directions to find
> and delete the file. Virus software cannot detect it. It will not become
> active until June 1, 2001. At that point, it will become active and will
> be too late. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard drive. This
> virus travels through e-mail and migrates to the C:\windows\command
folder.
> To find it and delete it off your computer, do the following:
>
> Go to the START button.
> Go to the FIND or SEARCH.
> Go to FILES & FOLDERS.
> Make sure the find box is searching the C drive.
> Type in: SULFNBK.exe
> Begin Search.
>
> If it finds it, highlight it and press the DELETE key on your keyboard.
> Close the dialog box. Open the RECYCLE BIN. Find the file and delete
> it from the Recycle bin. You should be safe.
>
> The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have sent ANY e-mail
> to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has been on our
> computers.
> DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. MCAFEE NOR NORTON CAN DETECT
> IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST.. IT WILL BE TOO
> LATE THEN. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!!!!!!
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my c |
omputer!
From the Symantec site:
This particular email message is a hoax. The file that is mentioned in the
hoax, however, Sulfnbk.exe, is a Microsoft Windows utility that is used to
restore long file names, and like any .exe file, it can be infected by a
virus that targets .exe files.
For more information go to:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html
<http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html>
--
Scott VanArtsdalen, MCSE, CCNA
Network Administrator
Union Safe Deposit Bank
209-946-5116
-----Original Message-----
From: Wes [mailto:whays(at)camalott.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:43 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:@mail.camalott.com;
Subject: RV-List: Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I
found it on my computer!
Folks, I received this message from a friend of mine. I
checked my computer
and it was present. I have Norton virus protection and it
got by it.
Supposedly gets by McAfee also. You may have gotten this
from me so I am
forwarding this information to you. Check Quickly, the date
of activation is
supposed to be June 1, 2001. The directions are below.
Thanks.
Wes Hays
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn West" <ckjmwest(at)wtez.net>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my
computer!
> All,
>
> I received this from my Uncle, who received it from his
daoughter-in-law
> who works in Washington, DC. I performed the search,
found the supposedly
> infected file and deleted it. You may want to do the
same.
>
> James
>
>
> I got this message from our daughterinlaw Ada who works in
Wash.D.C.with
> computers & satalite comunications. I checked this info
out on my computer
> and found it and got it out of the system..follow her
directions and if
> you got it this should clear you
> ......good luck BEN
> ----- Original Message -----
> Subject: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my
computer!
>
> My e-mail is on the blink at work, but I received this
e-mail from a
friend.
> Please check your computers! I did and found this virus.
He did also.
>
> Since I can't forward his e-mail, I'm going to have to
type it in!!
UUGGGHH!
>
> ada
>
> WHEN I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION, I CHECKED MY
COMPUTER
(FOLLOWING
> THE DIRECTIONS BELOW) AND SURE ENOUGH, THERE IT WAS.
PLEASE TAKE A FEW
> MOMENTS TO READ THE FOLLOWING. I AM VERY CAREFUL NOT TO
OPEN ATTACHMENTS
> WITH A .EXE, BUT SOMEHOW THIS SNUCK THROUGH BOTH MCAFEE
AND NORTON (WHICH
> WOULD MAKE SENSE IF IT DOESN'T ACTIVATE ITSELF UNTIL JUNE
1).
>
> Subject: VIRUS TO DESTROY BEFORE IT ACTIVATES ON JUNE 1.
NOT A JOKE!
> IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT A VIRUS!! PLEASE CHECK YOUR PC'S
FOR IT!
> Received the following from a friend. Please follow
directions to find
> and delete the file. Virus software cannot detect it. It
will not become
> active until June 1, 2001. At that point, it will become
active and will
> be too late. It wipes out all files and folders on the
hard drive. This
> virus travels through e-mail and migrates to the
C:\windows\command
folder.
> To find it and delete it off your computer, do the
following:
>
> Go to the START button.
> Go to the FIND or SEARCH.
> Go to FILES & FOLDERS.
> Make sure the find box is searching the C drive.
> Type in: SULFNBK.exe
> Begin Search.
>
> If it finds it, highlight it and press the DELETE key on
your keyboard.
> Close the dialog box. Open the RECYCLE BIN. Find the
file and delete
> it from the Recycle bin. You should be safe.
>
> The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have
sent ANY e-mail
> to in the past few months. I do not know how long this
has been on our
> computers.
> DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. MCAFEE NOR
NORTON CAN DETECT
> IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST.. IT
WILL BE TOO
> LATE THEN. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!!!!!!
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jabe Luttrell <JabeLuttrell(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List: Smoke Test |
To prevent smoke:
Before closing any breakers use an ohmmeter to measure the resistance of
the load. Put one lead to ground and the other to the circuit breaker
terminal; the one not connected to the bus. If the system voltage (e.g.
14vdc) divided by the measured resistance is greater than the circuit
breaker trip rating, then you have a problem, but no smoke.
Jabe Luttrell
Tom Gummo wrote:
>
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo"
>
> Smoke Test
>
> Everybody knows that when you hook up electrical components for the first
> time, there is a danger that something will go wrong and burn up the unit,
> i.e., the smoke test. Strange popping sounds, funny smells and, of course,
> smoke are signs that the smoke test has gone bad for you.
>
> As I know nothing about the electrical world (I know nothing about building
> a plane either), I decided I needed help with wiring the rocket. My wife's
> best friend's husband is an electrical engineer, Bud. One day in a moment
> of weakness, Bud said that he would help with the wiring. I REALLY thought
> it would be a couple of weekend project. Anyway, six months later, all the
> wiring has been done and it is now time to test the system before connecting
> the battery. Bud had a power supply with built-in protection so it was
> thought that it would be better to use than the battery. It turns out the
> 12 volt supply was generating over 15 volts (it can't be adjusted) so Bud
> decided to use the battery after all.
>
> As a safety factor, he was using the "volt meter" inside the circuit and it
> also measured the load of each unit. Anyway, as he was isolating another
> unit to test, I hear "Oh Sh_t" and turn to see him jumping around try to
> disconnect the meter and see smoke rising from the cockpit area. The whole
> idea was to have a qualified person doing the wiring so that there would be
> NO smoke or bad smells. The wires for the EGT and CHT sensors have a braded
> metal outsides and he knocked them against a hot connection and sparks flew.
> Hopefully, the only thing that got zapped was a very small gauge wire with
> two clips which Bud was using to connect things together.
>
> After more testing, only the intercom doesn't work. Of course, it wasn't
> working before the test either, so it may not be a victim of this event. As
> Bud was leaving, he was heard to say, "I am really feeling DUMB."
>
> Back the hangar today to see if I can find a reason the intercom is not
> working. Be careful put there. I think Bud is going to stay home.
>
> Tom Gummo
>
> Apple Valley, CA
>
> Doing all those last 90 percent things.
>
> HR-II N561FS (561 Fighter Squadron) reserved
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Arthur Glaser <airplane(at)megsinet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-List Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my |
computer!
ROXIO (WAS FROM ADAPTEC) HAS A PROGRAM THAT WILL RESTORE YOUR HARD DRIVE EVEN IF
YOU HAVE TOTALLY DELETED A FILE AND EMPTIED THE RECYCLE BIN. IT IS CALLED
"GOBACK" AND WORKS WELL. I JUST USED IT TO RESTORE THIS FILE TO MY HARD DRIVE
AND IT WORKED PERFECTLY.
Are Barstad wrote:
>
> This is a hoax! I know you didn't do this intentionally Wes but you should
> not have deleted this file. Here's a transcript from the Symantic website:
>
> "This particular email message is a hoax. The file that is mentioned in the
> hoax, however, Sulfnbk.exe, is a Microsoft Windows utility that is used to
> restore long file names, and like any .exe file, it can be infected by a
> virus that targets .exe files."
>
> Go here for more info and for info how to restore the file if you should
> have deleted it:
> http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html
>
> Are
> RV-8 Wings
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wes
> Sent: May 30, 2001 7:43 PM
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:@mail.camalott.com;
> Subject: RV-List: Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my
> computer!
>
>
> Folks, I received this message from a friend of mine. I checked my computer
> and it was present. I have Norton virus protection and it got by it.
> Supposedly gets by McAfee also. You may have gotten this from me so I am
> forwarding this information to you. Check Quickly, the date of activation is
> supposed to be June 1, 2001. The directions are below.
>
> Thanks.
> Wes Hays
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carolyn West" <ckjmwest(at)wtez.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my computer!
>
> > All,
> >
> > I received this from my Uncle, who received it from his daoughter-in-law
> > who works in Washington, DC. I performed the search, found the supposedly
> > infected file and deleted it. You may want to do the same.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > I got this message from our daughterinlaw Ada who works in Wash.D.C.with
> > computers & satalite comunications. I checked this info out on my computer
> > and found it and got it out of the system..follow her directions and if
> > you got it this should clear you
> > ......good luck BEN
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Subject: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my computer!
> >
> > My e-mail is on the blink at work, but I received this e-mail from a
> friend.
> > Please check your computers! I did and found this virus. He did also.
> >
> > Since I can't forward his e-mail, I'm going to have to type it in!!
> UUGGGHH!
> >
> > ada
> >
> > WHEN I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION, I CHECKED MY COMPUTER
> (FOLLOWING
> > THE DIRECTIONS BELOW) AND SURE ENOUGH, THERE IT WAS. PLEASE TAKE A FEW
> > MOMENTS TO READ THE FOLLOWING. I AM VERY CAREFUL NOT TO OPEN ATTACHMENTS
> > WITH A .EXE, BUT SOMEHOW THIS SNUCK THROUGH BOTH MCAFEE AND NORTON (WHICH
> > WOULD MAKE SENSE IF IT DOESN'T ACTIVATE ITSELF UNTIL JUNE 1).
> >
> > Subject: VIRUS TO DESTROY BEFORE IT ACTIVATES ON JUNE 1. NOT A JOKE!
> > IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT A VIRUS!! PLEASE CHECK YOUR PC'S FOR IT!
> > Received the following from a friend. Please follow directions to find
> > and delete the file. Virus software cannot detect it. It will not become
> > active until June 1, 2001. At that point, it will become active and will
> > be too late. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard drive. This
> > virus travels through e-mail and migrates to the C:\windows\command
> folder.
> > To find it and delete it off your computer, do the following:
> >
> > Go to the START button.
> > Go to the FIND or SEARCH.
> > Go to FILES & FOLDERS.
> > Make sure the find box is searching the C drive.
> > Type in: SULFNBK.exe
> > Begin Search.
> >
> > If it finds it, highlight it and press the DELETE key on your keyboard.
> > Close the dialog box. Open the RECYCLE BIN. Find the file and delete
> > it from the Recycle bin. You should be safe.
> >
> > The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have sent ANY e-mail
> > to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has been on our
> > computers.
> > DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. MCAFEE NOR NORTON CAN DETECT
> > IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST.. IT WILL BE TOO
> > LATE THEN. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!!!!!!
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wes" <whays(at)camalott.com> |
| Subject: | Virus Hoax SULFNBK.EXE |
I guess this message didn't get to the RV list. I forgot to remove the
attachment. Sorry guys. Its bogus and I am very embarrassed.
Wes
Subject: [eaa19] Virus Hoax SULFNBK.EXE
Virus warning message a hoax. Sorry about that, I should have checked
further. I am very embarrassed. Hope you did not follow the previous
instructions.
----- Original Message -----
From: WINTER42TX(at)aol.com
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| From: | "Wes" <whays(at)camalott.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my computer! |
Thanks Eric. I tried to notify as soon as I found out. Sorry about the false
alarm. I am very embarrassed. Looked like I "screwed the pooch" this time.
Wes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Irwin" <erici(at)bigfoot.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my
computer!
> You should read the following article on the Norton Anitvirus web site.
The
> message you forwarded is a hoax. You might want to tell the list before
> they all go deleting that file.
>
> http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wes
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 PM
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:@mail.camalott.com;
> Subject: RV-List: Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my
> computer!
>
>
> Folks, I received this message from a friend of mine. I checked my
computer
> and it was present. I have Norton virus protection and it got by it.
> Supposedly gets by McAfee also. You may have gotten this from me so I am
> forwarding this information to you. Check Quickly, the date of activation
is
> supposed to be June 1, 2001. The directions are below.
>
> Thanks.
> Wes Hays
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carolyn West" <ckjmwest(at)wtez.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my computer!
>
>
> > All,
> >
> > I received this from my Uncle, who received it from his daoughter-in-law
> > who works in Washington, DC. I performed the search, found the
supposedly
> > infected file and deleted it. You may want to do the same.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > I got this message from our daughterinlaw Ada who works in Wash.D.C.with
> > computers & satalite comunications. I checked this info out on my
computer
> > and found it and got it out of the system..follow her directions and if
> > you got it this should clear you
> > ......good luck BEN
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Subject: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my computer!
> >
> > My e-mail is on the blink at work, but I received this e-mail from a
> friend.
> > Please check your computers! I did and found this virus. He did also.
> >
> > Since I can't forward his e-mail, I'm going to have to type it in!!
> UUGGGHH!
> >
> > ada
> >
> > WHEN I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION, I CHECKED MY COMPUTER
> (FOLLOWING
> > THE DIRECTIONS BELOW) AND SURE ENOUGH, THERE IT WAS. PLEASE TAKE A FEW
> > MOMENTS TO READ THE FOLLOWING. I AM VERY CAREFUL NOT TO OPEN
ATTACHMENTS
> > WITH A .EXE, BUT SOMEHOW THIS SNUCK THROUGH BOTH MCAFEE AND NORTON
(WHICH
> > WOULD MAKE SENSE IF IT DOESN'T ACTIVATE ITSELF UNTIL JUNE 1).
> >
> > Subject: VIRUS TO DESTROY BEFORE IT ACTIVATES ON JUNE 1. NOT A JOKE!
> > IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT A VIRUS!! PLEASE CHECK YOUR PC'S FOR IT!
> > Received the following from a friend. Please follow directions to find
> > and delete the file. Virus software cannot detect it. It will not
become
> > active until June 1, 2001. At that point, it will become active and
will
> > be too late. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard drive.
This
> > virus travels through e-mail and migrates to the C:\windows\command
> folder.
> > To find it and delete it off your computer, do the following:
> >
> > Go to the START button.
> > Go to the FIND or SEARCH.
>
> > Go to FILES & FOLDERS.
> > Make sure the find box is searching the C drive.
> > Type in: SULFNBK.exe
> > Begin Search.
> >
> > If it finds it, highlight it and press the DELETE key on your keyboard.
> > Close the dialog box. Open the RECYCLE BIN. Find the file and delete
> > it from the Recycle bin. You should be safe.
> >
> > The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have sent ANY e-mail
> > to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has been on our
> > computers.
> > DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. MCAFEE NOR NORTON CAN DETECT
> > IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST.. IT WILL BE TOO
> > LATE THEN. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!!!!!!
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Bristol <bj034(at)lafn.org> |
| Subject: | Re: c/s prop techniques |
Manifold pressure is absolute pressure measured from sea level. Vacuum is
measured from the ambient pressure at your altitude. Therefore you can determine
% power from manifold pressure and RPM but if you were using vacuum, altitude
would also have to be considered.
Dave
kempthornes wrote:
>
> Jody Villa discombobulates my poor mind with:
>
> >It's really manifold vacuum not pressure.
>
> I wondered about that during my training too. I used to have a truck with a
> vacuum gauge. It went highest when decelerating. When I stomped the
> throttle the vac would go down to a few inches.
>
> Surely MAP is not an accurate way to determine power being output as it is
> very high with the engine shut off. Maybe it just measures atmospheric
> pressure (29.92 on a standard day) inside the manifold. Hopefully during
> operation the MAP gauge shows a value less than the barometric pressure.
> At full power the difference is just a few inches.
>
> My head hurts, back to Java.
>
> Hal Kempthorne
> RV6a N7HK (Valentine) FLYING
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sam Cherroff" <sam(at)videoassist.com> |
Someone once told me that the way electronics works is that the
little copper wires have smoke traveling through them and that all of
the little components process the smoke in various ways like valves
to acheive the desired results. When things malfunction, the wires
rupture and the smoke leaks out rendering the circuit useless.
(true story).
--Sam
>
> Smoke Test
>
> Everybody knows that when you hook up electrical components for the first
> time, there is a danger that something will go wrong and burn up the unit,
> i.e., the smoke test. Strange popping sounds, funny smells and, of course,
> smoke are signs that the smoke test has gone bad for you.
>
> As I know nothing about the electrical world (I know nothing about building
> a plane either), I decided I needed help with wiring the rocket. My wife's
> best friend's husband is an electrical engineer, Bud. One day in a moment
> of weakness, Bud said that he would help with the wiring. I REALLY thought
> it would be a couple of weekend project. Anyway, six months later, all the
> wiring has been done and it is now time to test the system before connecting
> the battery. Bud had a power supply with built-in protection so it was
> thought that it would be better to use than the battery. It turns out the
> 12 volt supply was generating over 15 volts (it can't be adjusted) so Bud
> decided to use the battery after all.
>
> As a safety factor, he was using the "volt meter" inside the circuit and it
> also measured the load of each unit. Anyway, as he was isolating another
> unit to test, I hear "Oh Sh_t" and turn to see him jumping around try to
> disconnect the meter and see smoke rising from the cockpit area. The whole
> idea was to have a qualified person doing the wiring so that there would be
> NO smoke or bad smells. The wires for the EGT and CHT sensors have a braded
> metal outsides and he knocked them against a hot connection and sparks flew.
> Hopefully, the only thing that got zapped was a very small gauge wire with
> two clips which Bud was using to connect things together.
>
> After more testing, only the intercom doesn't work. Of course, it wasn't
> working before the test either, so it may not be a victim of this event. As
> Bud was leaving, he was heard to say, "I am really feeling DUMB."
>
> Back the hangar today to see if I can find a reason the intercom is not
> working. Be careful put there. I think Bud is going to stay home.
>
>
> Tom Gummo
>
> Apple Valley, CA
>
> Doing all those last 90 percent things.
>
> HR-II N561FS (561 Fighter Squadron) reserved
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Builder profile/AOPA |
Read this page and then decide if AOPA doesn't reflect OUR interests:
http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/
I am a member of AOPA because it is the strongest voice we have against
those in Washington D.C. who would like to legislate our RVs out of
existence.
The magazine is just a bonus. :-)
Sam Buchanan (RV-6)
"The RV Journal" http://hoem.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal
====================
"Van Artsdalen, Scott" wrote:
>
>
> I stopped subscribing to AOPA Pilot because AOPA really doesn't reflect my
> interests. Reading Malibu flight reports are only mildly interesting to me.
> Learning about the latest Cessna that I can't afford is only less mildly
> interesting. That's why I joined EAA. I am supporting an organization that
> supports GA and is geared more toward my interests.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Bristol <bj034(at)lafn.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Cowl Hinge Pins |
ACS does NOT carry the 1/8" pin. I already checked.
Dave
Charlie and Tupper England wrote:
>
> So does your friendly local welding supply. (stainless
> welding rod)
>
> ray sheffield wrote:
> >
> >
> > You may want to use stainless steel, I think spruce sells them.
> >
> > ray rv6a
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <ENewton57(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:22 PM
> > Subject: RV-List: Cowl Hinge Pins
> >
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > My question is regarding the 1/8" hinge pins for the cowl. They seem very
> > > flexible and soft. When you bend them even slightly, they stay bent.
> > They
> > > obviously are not made out of the same material as the other hinge which
> > are
> > > very stiff and springy. Are they made from a different material? Seems
> > kind
> > > of weak to me. They bend fairly easy while I try to push them into the
> > > hinges and seem to be getting distorted somewhat.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Eric Newton - Long Beach, Mississippi
> > > RV-6A N57ME (Reserved) (Engine Cowling)
> > > http://www.ericsrv6a.com
> > >
> > >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Schlosser" <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy / LG Type, Etc. |
What about height clearance in the two canopy styles?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Schlosser
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:57 PM
Subject: RV-List: Canopy / LG Type, Etc.
[snip]
Kevin Schlosser
-< PropellerHead >-
Future RV-7 Builder
I haven't been this jazzed since the last day of school as a kid!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruno" <fo320(at)sympatico.ca> |
Hello everyone
I'm in the market for a new prop and I was wondreing if anyone
on the list know anything about a guy name "Colin Walker" in Vancouver B.C
who is selling props.
Any infos on how to contact him and comments about his work
are welcome.
Also infos on spinner assy that will fit a RV-4 and where to
buy them will be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Bruno Dionne
Grounded RV-4 C-GDBH
fo320(at)sympatico.ca
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| From: | "David Svajda" <dsvajda(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Virus Hoax SULFNBK.EXE |
Don't know who started this hoax but it's clever. I got an email telling
me to search my hard drive for the SULFNBK.exe file. I was told it was part
of the "Snow White" virus and to delete it and then clean it out of my
recycle bin. I got a little suspicious since I found it in my Command
folder and it had a Windows logo attached. I searched my Windows ME CD and
found the string SULFNBK in two files. The file pertains to backing up long
file names. I wonder how the system would work if I deleted as directed.
Dave Svajda
RV 6 wings(still)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wes" <whays(at)camalott.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:30 PM
Subject: RV-List: Virus Hoax SULFNBK.EXE
>
> I guess this message didn't get to the RV list. I forgot to remove the
> attachment. Sorry guys. Its bogus and I am very embarrassed.
> Wes
>
> Subject: [eaa19] Virus Hoax SULFNBK.EXE
>
>
> Virus warning message a hoax. Sorry about that, I should have checked
> further. I am very embarrassed. Hope you did not follow the previous
> instructions.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: WINTER42TX(at)aol.com
> To: butcherbears(at)yahoo.com ; Carrelldav(at)aol.com ; tamern(at)home.com ;
> CHRISTJH(at)aaicorp.com ; jim1(at)brazosnet.com ; pascacio(at)nts-online.net ;
> efecryst(at)frii.com ; KMONROE(at)libertyhill.txed.net ;
> persuaderx(at)hotmail.com ; whays(at)camalott.com ; ndavis(at)swconnect.net ;
> rmande(at)onr.com ; mdlittle66(at)home.com ; stefnmike(at)home.com ;
> MaggyMcC(at)aol.com ; BMARKSDBM(at)aol.com ; Tjp525(at)cs.com ;
> wcpeek(at)concentric.net ; cpolley(at)pdq.net ; jrporter(at)cybertrails.com ;
> joe101352(at)hotmail.com ; Tondaland2001(at)aol.com ; ramey(at)herald.net ;
> jwrjr_99(at)yahoo.com ; Lacey(at)aol.com ; W5XJ(at)aol.com ; vogler(at)abilene.com ;
> kmw65(at)hotmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:18 PM
> Subject: Fwd: I found this on the internet, read and pass on
>
>
> I FOUND THIS OUT 5 MINUTES AFTER I DELETED THE FILE.
>
>
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>
>
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| From: | "Meketa" <acgm(at)gvtc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Builder profile/AOPA |
Hello Yall
I agree with Sam on the AOPA issue. I am a member solely to give them
support for the support they give us. They are our main lobbying voice in
D.C. We need all the help we can get.
Private Pilot magazine, EAA, AOPA, RVator, RV-list and the International
120/140 Association are the ones for me. See you at Cougar landing.
George Meketa
RV8 finishing, all wiring done and ready for the canopy.
> I am a member of AOPA because it is the strongest voice we have against
> those in Washington D.C. who would like to legislate our RVs out of
> existence.
>
> The magazine is just a bonus. :-)
>
> Sam Buchanan (RV-6)
> "The RV Journal" http://hoem.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rv-4 Propeller |
In a message dated 5/30/01 9:19:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
fo320(at)sympatico.ca writes:
<< I'm in the market for a new prop and I was wondering if anyone
on the list know anything about a guy name "Colin Walker" in Vancouver B.C
who is selling props.
Any infos on how to contact him and comments about his work
are welcome. >>
Colin Walker can be reached at 604-591-9602.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV)
vanremog(at)aol.com
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| From: | "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com> |
| Subject: | Question #17625437236.... |
Daniel,
Prime first then rivet. You want to get the primer between the pieces where
water can be trapped and corrosion can start.
Store your empenage in the new apartment and bring it outside to work on a
portable table made of a piece of plywood on two sawhorses. You will impress
your neighbors.
Steve Soule
Huntington, Vermont
RV-6A almost done ... for 6 months now
-----Original Message-----Is it OK to rivet th stifeners
then prime my elevators?..or I MUST prime
everything and the after rivet..thanks
BTW, My project will be waiting for a while cause my wife
and me have bought
a new departament, so I must use some of the money to dress
the house...The
departament is so small tha even the empenage will be
dificult to build the
wings...I must seek some person wich can make the job for
me...
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| From: | "Wes" <whays(at)camalott.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Virus Hoax SULFNBK.EXE |
I don't know David, but since I perpetuated the hoax, I now have mine
replaced. If anyone needs to get theirs back, please e-mail privately and I
will forward it to you.
Wes.
whays(at)camalott.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Parker43rp(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cowl Hinge Pins |
Why don't you buy the 1/8" pins from Van's?
Ray
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| From: | "Johnny Johnson" <Johnny(at)wiktel.com> |
| Subject: | Constant speed props |
Eric mentioned:
>> almost pronged a T-34 on go around trying to
>> remember "now let me see, is it throttle-prop
>> or prop-throttle in go around mode." Finally
>> just shoved everything at the same time.
Back in the Dark Ages when the Navy was teaching me to fly, the thing I used
as a memory-jogger was "go uphill going up, downhill coming down"... if you
will notice in a single-engine throttle quadrant, the throttle lever is
generally longest, prop is next to it and mid-length, and the mixture is the
shortie. So... when adding power start with the shortest and go uphill:
Mixture, prop, throttle. Pulling power start with the longest and go
downhill: throttle, prop, mixture. If you don't have a quadrant... well, my
heart goes out to you.. :=)) The concept is to get the mixture richer and
the rpm up before adding a lot of manifold pressure... get the manifold
pressure off before reducing rpm or leaning a bunch. Detonation is the
thing we're trying to avoid...
Hal, I hope those instructors that told you the prop and engine turned at
different speeds understood aerodynamics better than they understood
powerplants... :=))
Johnny Johnson
49MM -3 flying
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ENewton57(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Question #17625437236.... |
In a message dated 5/30/01 10:13:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
dani_estrada(at)infosel.net.mx writes:
<< Is it ok to rivet th stifeners then prime my elevators?..or I MUST prime
everything and the after rivet..thanks >>
Hi Daniel,
I primed the stiffeners and inside elevator skins where the stiffeners touch
the skins before riveting.
Happy Building,
Eric Newton - Long Beach, Mississippi
RV-6A N57ME (Reserved) (Engine Cowling)
http://www.ericsrv6a.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Donald Mei" <don_mei(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | re RV-4 tailwheel springs |
Just a heads up. If your RV4 kit came with an aluminum tailwheel steering
horn, there is a service bulliten to replace it with a steel one. Vans will
send it for free.
Don Mei
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan Blanton" <stanb(at)door.net> |
| Subject: | Re: cheap fuel in Missouri? |
> we were planning on a fuel stop somewhere in
> central/southwest Missouri. I checked airnav.com and their site is down
> until June 11...could someone point me out to another fuel-price site or
> point me to the FBO's/airports who serve cheap go-juice in Missouri?
>
> Bob Japundza
>
snip
I've had good luck stopping at Neosho, MO (EOS) about 30 mi. south of
Joplin. Fuel was $1.80 there last summer on the way to Oshkosh compared to
$2.80 at Spirit-St. Louis.
Stan Blanton
RV-6
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my c |
omputer!
Well, at least give the pooch a call the next day, maybe send some flowers
or something. Then move on and keep building!
--
Scott VanArtsdalen, MCSE, CCNA
Network Administrator
Union Safe Deposit Bank
209-946-5116
-----Original Message-----
From: Wes [mailto:whays(at)camalott.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:28 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Fw: RV-List: Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A
JOKE!! I found it on my computer!
Thanks Eric. I tried to notify as soon as I found out. Sorry
about the false
alarm. I am very embarrassed. Looked like I "screwed the
pooch" this time.
Wes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Irwin" <erici(at)bigfoot.com>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I
found it on my
computer!
> You should read the following article on the Norton
Anitvirus web site.
The
> message you forwarded is a hoax. You might want to tell
the list before
> they all go deleting that file.
>
>
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Wes
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 PM
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:@mail.camalott.com;
> Subject: RV-List: Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I
found it on my
> computer!
>
>
>
> Folks, I received this message from a friend of mine. I
checked my
computer
> and it was present. I have Norton virus protection and it
got by it.
> Supposedly gets by McAfee also. You may have gotten this
from me so I am
> forwarding this information to you. Check Quickly, the
date of activation
is
> supposed to be June 1, 2001. The directions are below.
>
> Thanks.
> Wes Hays
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carolyn West" <ckjmwest(at)wtez.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on
my computer!
>
>
> > All,
> >
> > I received this from my Uncle, who received it from his
daoughter-in-law
> > who works in Washington, DC. I performed the search,
found the
supposedly
> > infected file and deleted it. You may want to do the
same.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > I got this message from our daughterinlaw Ada who works
in Wash.D.C.with
> > computers & satalite comunications. I checked this info
out on my
computer
> > and found it and got it out of the system..follow her
directions and if
> > you got it this should clear you
> > ......good luck BEN
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Subject: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! I found it on my
computer!
> >
> > My e-mail is on the blink at work, but I received this
e-mail from a
> friend.
> > Please check your computers! I did and found this
virus. He did also.
> >
> > Since I can't forward his e-mail, I'm going to have to
type it in!!
> UUGGGHH!
> >
> > ada
> >
> > WHEN I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION, I CHECKED MY
COMPUTER
> (FOLLOWING
> > THE DIRECTIONS BELOW) AND SURE ENOUGH, THERE IT WAS.
PLEASE TAKE A FEW
> > MOMENTS TO READ THE FOLLOWING. I AM VERY CAREFUL NOT TO
OPEN
ATTACHMENTS
> > WITH A .EXE, BUT SOMEHOW THIS SNUCK THROUGH BOTH MCAFEE
AND NORTON
(WHICH
> > WOULD MAKE SENSE IF IT DOESN'T ACTIVATE ITSELF UNTIL
JUNE 1).
> >
> > Subject: VIRUS TO DESTROY BEFORE IT ACTIVATES ON JUNE
1. NOT A JOKE!
> > IMPORTANT MESSAGE ABOUT A VIRUS!! PLEASE CHECK YOUR
PC'S FOR IT!
> > Received the following from a friend. Please follow
directions to find
> > and delete the file. Virus software cannot detect it.
It will not
become
> > active until June 1, 2001. At that point, it will
become active and
will
> > be too late. It wipes out all files and folders on the
hard drive.
This
> > virus travels through e-mail and migrates to the
C:\windows\command
> folder.
> > To find it and delete it off your computer, do the
following:
> >
> > Go to the START button.
> > Go to the FIND or SEARCH.
>
> > Go to FILES & FOLDERS.
> > Make sure the find box is searching the C drive.
> > Type in: SULFNBK.exe
> > Begin Search.
> >
> > If it finds it, highlight it and press the DELETE key on
your keyboard.
> > Close the dialog box. Open the RECYCLE BIN. Find the
file and delete
> > it from the Recycle bin. You should be safe.
> >
> > The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have
sent ANY e-mail
> > to in the past few months. I do not know how long this
has been on our
> > computers.
> > DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. MCAFEE NOR
NORTON CAN DETECT
> > IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST..
IT WILL BE TOO
> > LATE THEN. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!!!!!!
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alison and Neil McLeod" <bedrock(at)theriver.com> |
| Subject: | AFS paint/primer systems |
Anybody out there have experience with the AFS (Aircraft Finishing
Systems) stuff, specificly the primer sealer and 2 part polyurethane
topcoat. If so I'd like to know how you prepped and what type equipment
you used.
Thanks
Neil McLeod
-7 emp
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: cheap fuel in Missouri? |
Cuba Mo. UBX. 15 miles east of Rolla.
Stan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "alex strickland" <alexs737(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Removal from list |
Please remove me from the list,
Thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List: Smoke Test |
| From: | Scott.Fink(at)microchip.com |
05/31/2001 08:42:27 AM,
Serialize complete at 05/31/2001 08:42:27 AM
Good technique to catch greivous wiring errors Jabe! Don't, however,
assume that if the resistance reads high enough that everything is fine
and get complacent. If you are using an ohmmeter it may not forward bias
any diodes in the circuit that may be backwards (forwards? depends how you
look at it) that may smoke when you apply full power, as one example of
problems that wouldn't necessarily show up. Definately do this test
first, just be ready to turn off the circuit when you first apply power.
Scott Fink
RV6
To prevent smoke:
Before closing any breakers use an ohmmeter to measure the resistance of
the load. Put one lead to ground and the other to the circuit breaker
terminal; the one not connected to the bus. If the system voltage (e.g.
14vdc) divided by the measured resistance is greater than the circuit
breaker trip rating, then you have a problem, but no smoke.
Jabe Luttrell
Tom Gummo wrote:
>
> --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo"
>
> Smoke Test
>
> Everybody knows that when you hook up electrical components for the
first
> time, there is a danger that something will go wrong and burn up the
unit,
> i.e., the smoke test. Strange popping sounds, funny smells and, of
course,
> smoke are signs that the smoke test has gone bad for you.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owens, Laird" <Owens(at)aerovironment.com> |
| Subject: | cheap fuel in NM |
While were on the subject of cheap fuel....
While on the way/and back to the Bahamas last week, I stopped at Saint Johns in
New Mexico and got gas at $1.93. Best price I had all week. Sure beat the $3.50
on the islands.
I've yet to write the trip report on the Bahamas trip, but it was a blast. I'll
post the report as soon as I get it written. Quite an adventure. (Right Gary?)
Laird (bug bites are almost gone)
RV-6, 250 hrs
O-360, Hartzell
Simi Valley, SoCal
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Judd <sjudd(at)ffd2.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Fw: Real Virus - NOT A JOKE!! |
I found it on my computer!)
Hola,
This is a hoax. The file to be deleted is part of the Windows operating
system (handles long filenames and such). If you delete it, you will have
to restore the file to get a functioning system again -- big pain in the
butt. In this case the user deletes the file, instead of a computer
program.
Remember the golden rule: almost everything forwarded in email is fake.
If it has LOTS OF CAPITAL LETTERS, it's a fake. If it doesn't have any
references, it's a fake. If it doesn't have credible references -- if you
can't go to the CERT website and read about the "virus" yourself -- it's
a fake.
Always take a few minutes with Google to check on any forwarded email
'WARNING!!!' or 'IMPORTANT GOVERNMENT ACTION!!!' or any email that advises
you to take action -- because chances are pretty much 100% that it's a
hoax. Typing in 'sulfnbk.exe' at www.google.com gives a zillion links.
For real virus notifications, one option is the CERT mailing list at
http://www.cert.org (look under the "CERT contact information" link).
Probably Norton and Symantec have notification lists too.
Good luck,
-Steve
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Wes wrote:
>
> Folks, I received this message from a friend of mine. I checked my computer
> and it was present. I have Norton virus protection and it got by it.
> Supposedly gets by McAfee also. You may have gotten this from me so I am
> forwarding this information to you. Check Quickly, the date of activation is
> supposed to be June 1, 2001. The directions are below.
>
> Thanks.
> Wes Hays
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis /Fran Flamini" <flamini2(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Tailwind-List: Roy Adams Update |
i am forwarding this to the RV list as there are more listers and we all
need to be aware that this could happen to us. If you could help, i am sure
Debra and Roy would appreciate it. Dennis Flamini, Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: <RussMyrs2(at)aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Roy Adams Update
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: RussMyrs2(at)aol.com
>
> Roy Adams has been a subscriber to the Tailwind list for a while now. He
didn't start or finish his day until he could sit at the computer and
"absorb" the excitement of other owners. As many of you know, he was
critically injured when his Tailwind crashed and burned on May 22. The
other pilot, who was giving him a CFI lesson, died 48 hours later. He is
currently at Memorial Hermann Hospital Burn Unit in Houston, TX. His
condition remains critical, however, I believe he will survive this
horrendous accident. He is burned over 80% of his body...mostly 3rd degree.
He has lost his right leg, below the knee and they have started grafting
skin. The doctors are now talking to me about the viability of his left
leg. He is on a respirator and in a comatose state mostly because of the
medications for pain. His friends in this small community where he grew up,
have opened an account in his name to help with his expenses.
> The name of the bank is "First Community Bank of Alvin".
> I have heard from many of you who would like to do something. Also, those
who are able, may donate blood. He has required about 14 units so far and
I'm told this is "just the beginning".
> Thank you for all the prayers and phone calls. I can see the answers to
prayer on a daily basis as we enter day 9 and he is still with us. I know
that God's hand is upon him.
>
> Debra Adams
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Looking in the Scrap bin |
Fellow listers,
I need a piece of 6061-T6 extruded aluminum alloy, 1" x 1" x .063 thick
about 8 inches long to replace an autopilot roll servo bracket that I've
missdrilled.
Anyone have anything like this in their scrap bin? I'll pay for it if
necessary - just don't want to pay minimums and cutting fees which could
make this not worth while...
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: cheap fuel in NM |
Hey Laird,
Weren't you also going to write a recap of the differences between your
fixed pitch and the new CS prop? Did I miss it or are you two busy strafing
birds, for revenge, to write it up.
Mike Nellis
Plainfield, IL
RV6 N699BM (res) Building Flaps
Stinson 108-2 N9666K
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owens, Laird" <Owens(at)aerovironment.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: cheap fuel in NM
>
> While were on the subject of cheap fuel....
>
> While on the way/and back to the Bahamas last week, I stopped at Saint
Johns in New Mexico and got gas at $1.93. Best price I had all week. Sure
beat the $3.50 on the islands.
>
> I've yet to write the trip report on the Bahamas trip, but it was a blast.
I'll post the report as soon as I get it written. Quite an adventure.
(Right Gary?)
>
> Laird (bug bites are almost gone)
> RV-6, 250 hrs
> O-360, Hartzell
> Simi Valley, SoCal
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Parker43rp(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Thickness of f-804 spacers---RV-8 |
RV-8 builders-- The building instructions for the RV-8 say to make spacers
for the wing spar slots in bulkhead f-804 out of wood material exactly the
thickness of the spar ends. Wood is not all that stable being susceptible
varying changes in thickness with the addition of moisture or when subjected
to pressure. I wonder what others have done here and what experiences you
have encountered in building this part of the "8".
I have milled the spacers in aluminum allowing about 0.010" oversize from
the dimension of 1.440" for the spar bars. To those "that have been there"
-- is that enough or more than enough clearance to insert the spar? --or too
much clearance to take up in tightening the bolts?
Ray Parker
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Balch <kbalch1(at)mediaone.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Thickness of f-804 spacers---RV-8 |
Hi Ray,
I used milled steel spacers .005" over the nominal spar thickness. I can't say
whether .010" is too much clearance to be taken up by torqued bolts, but my wing
spars went right in and fit perfectly, even before the bolts were tightened.
--
Regards,
Ken Balch
Ashland, MA
RV-8 #81125 (N118KB)
fabricating fuel & vent lines
groups.yahoo.com/group/BostonRVBuilders/files/
Parker43rp(at)aol.com wrote:
> RV-8 builders-- The building instructions for the RV-8 say to make spacers
> for the wing spar slots in bulkhead f-804 out of wood material exactly the
> thickness of the spar ends. Wood is not all that stable being susceptible
> varying changes in thickness with the addition of moisture or when subjected
> to pressure. I wonder what others have done here and what experiences you
> have encountered in building this part of the "8".
> I have milled the spacers in aluminum allowing about 0.010" oversize from
> the dimension of 1.440" for the spar bars. To those "that have been there"
> -- is that enough or more than enough clearance to insert the spar? --or too
> much clearance to take up in tightening the bolts?
>
> Ray Parker
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill VonDane <bvondane(at)cso.atmel.com> |
| Subject: | Thickness of f-804 spacers---RV-8 |
What happens if you get to putting the wings on and they wont go in? I have
not tried it yet, and I put spacers in, but was wondering if this has
happened...
-Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Balch
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Thickness of f-804 spacers---RV-8
Hi Ray,
I used milled steel spacers .005" over the nominal spar thickness. I can't
say
whether .010" is too much clearance to be taken up by torqued bolts, but my
wing
spars went right in and fit perfectly, even before the bolts were tightened.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Balch <kbalch1(at)mediaone.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Thickness of f-804 spacers---RV-8 |
Hey Bill,
A short note and a quick bullet. That was my plan if my wings didn't fit. Just
kidding...but it would've been a BAD, BAD day. FWIW, I spoke with Tom Green
about this and he said that he's never heard of a set of wings where the rear
spars failed to match up with the fuselage bars. I didn't ask about the main
spars failing to fit.
In the -8 (and presumably also the -7 & the -9A), there are so many pre-punched
holes that dictate the position of both halves of the -804, that I'd be
surprised if any tiny builder-induced variations couldn't be accommodated.
Ken
Bill VonDane wrote:
>
> What happens if you get to putting the wings on and they wont go in? I have
> not tried it yet, and I put spacers in, but was wondering if this has
> happened...
>
> -Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Balch
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:53 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Thickness of f-804 spacers---RV-8
>
>
> Hi Ray,
>
> I used milled steel spacers .005" over the nominal spar thickness. I can't
> say
> whether .010" is too much clearance to be taken up by torqued bolts, but my
> wing
> spars went right in and fit perfectly, even before the bolts were tightened.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com> |
Check out Chris Goods builders log. He used an excel spreadsheet that's
pretty basic and gets the job done. Should be easy enough to duplicate.
http://www.rv.supermatrix.com/excel-log00.html
Chris also used a spreadsheets to track all of his systems he had
planned for his plane. http://www.rv.supermatrix.com/equip-list.html
Have a look also at his "Systems" page. Nice job of outlining his
wiring diagrams.
Mike Nellis
Plainfield, IL
RV6 N699BM (res) Building Flaps
Stinson 108-2 N9666K
----- Original Message -----
From: Alvin Melton
To: RV7and7A(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [RV7and7A] Logbook
I'd be interested in a spreadsheet as well....
Alv
--- Tobin Micki wrote:
> Everyone,
>
> I am preparing to build a -7A and wondering about
> how
> the log book is kept. Is there a program out there
> that will make it easier for me to orginize and keep
> track of my progress. Has any one made an Excel
> spreadsheet with the information. I am just trying
> to
> get a feel for what format the inspectors want to
> see
> the building process in. Any information would be
> appreciated.
>
> Tobin Genung
> Preview Plans
> Stafford VA
>
> __________________________________________________
> only $35
>
__________________________________________________
Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
www.vansaircraft.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Marhyde & Topcoating |
| From: | <racker(at)rmci.net> |
Couldn't find this in the archives, and PPG didn't have a clue:
Anyone try topcoating Marhyde #5111 Self-Etching Primer with PPG DCC Concept 2000
(or similar acrylic urethane)? If so, any noticeable incompatibilities?
Thanks, Rob Acker (RV-6, painting interior).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "C J Heitman" <cjh(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | Marhyde & Topcoating |
Rob,
The Product Spec Sheet for Concept DCC is on the PPG web site:
http://www.ppg.com/refinishftpsite/docs/P-168.pdf
It lists PPG DX1791 Self Etching Primer as a compatible surface. This may be
similar to Marhyde.
Chris Heitman
Dousman WI
RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
slow progress on finish kit while I build hangar
http://www.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html
-----Original Message-----
Anyone try topcoating Marhyde #5111 Self-Etching Primer with PPG DCC Concept
2000 (or similar acrylic urethane)? If so, any noticeable
incompatibilities?
Thanks, Rob Acker (RV-6, painting interior).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Schlosser" <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Builder profile |
Apologizing ahead of time for some OT heading change...
Yeah Jim, I am an aviation addict. Could be worse, I
could be in a bar somewhere getting crocked. At least
my wife knows where I am and who I'm with. I started
with control line as a kid and moved up to RC in late
high school. Stopped at graduation to go to school for
electronics. Restarted full-tilt-boogie with the RC airplane
bug about 6-7 years ago. Loving life ever since. I'm
webmaster and executive trustee of the club now. Jersey
Coast Sport Fliers, Colts Neck, NJ - USA.
I get Model Aviation with the AMA, Model Airplane News,
RC Modeler, RC Report, Flying Models, and occasionally I pick
up a glider or electric oriented mag at the hobby shop.
I have a nifty table in the corner of my 'library' to store my
reading material. Washing my hands thoroughly, for a long
time, usually helps with the numb legs :-P
Always wanted to get a pilot's license and build or buy
a 'full-scale' aircraft. Those RC model magazines had a
Kolb ad in it that looked ok. Checked into it and was
nearly ready to write the check for the Mark 3 Extra
with all the trimmings. I was sitting around the dinner
table with my flying buddies (from the RC club), many of
them are 'full-scale' pilots or A&P mechanics, etc. One
of the guys said, "Yeah, those Kolbs are a blast but if
you want to go to Oshkosh and Sun & Fun with us, you'll
keep up with us and be more comfortable in something
more conventional. Ever seen a Van's RV?"
Went all over the net looking at Kolbs, Rans, Velocity XL, Lancair,
and a bunch of others... landed at Van's, and boy did the
adventure begin! After getting all the Matronix lists and
lurking for 3 months, I whittled them down a little at a time.
The RV lists, by far, see the most action. I started checking
out the 'play-by-play' coverage of RV's being built on the web.
After seeing it in photos from front to back, I decided it is very
doable. With some construction classes from the folks in Texas
that do the upholstery for the RV's, I think it'll go pretty well.
I told the wife that my vacation next year will be to go learn
RV building. She just smiles and says "Uh Huh".
My cousin is suggesting I sell him my inventory of model kits
and motors to finance the RV project. While it would probably
cover funds for my Lycoming 4-banger, I told him I might be
nuts but not stupid. I'll fiddle with the little planes while
trying to think through a jam on the big one. Aviation is like
therapy for me. Dealing with computers all day long, and
managers that have thier ties so tight it cuts off thier oxygen
and logic... I need a break. Airplanes do it for me.
I believe whole heartedly that airplanes are the reason I turned
out ok too. Give a kid a hobby they can involve thier mind and
spirit with, and you just might save them. Better than a needle,
bottle, or pipe. Get high on aviation. Most fun you can have
with your clothes on. I'm trying to get a youth activity commitee
together in my RC club for this very reason.
Happy Landings,
Kevin Schlosser
-=< PropellerHead >=-
Blowing out of work early to fire up the club cessna!
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Sears
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Builder profile
>Heh Heh... My wife is going to love it when all the
>"full scale" magazines start showing up :-). I already
>get 6 RC Airplane magazines. She has already asked
>why I need them ALL. I told her it's cheap education
>and prevents me from making some costly mistakes
>by showing me the right way to do things. This way
>the magazine pays for itself.
Oh, no!!! I didn't know I was responding to a modeler!
Six magazines? When do you have time to read them?
I do well to read two model aviation magazines a month.
Yeah. I'm a modeler, too. I was even a AMA VP for ten
years and finally had to give that up if I ever intended to
finish my RV. :-) Today, I read "Model Aviation" and
"RC Report." That's enough.
>She doesn't need to know it gives me all those ideas
>to buy the next latest and greatest thing :-)
"Kitplanes" will do nicely for that. :-)
Jim Sears in KY (AMA Assoc. VP)
RV-6A N198JS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Schlosser" <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking in the Scrap bin |
If you don't find it on-list, try MetalMart.com they don't have minimums, etc.
Don't say anything about the "A Word".
-< PropellerHead >-
It aint a 3 point landing unless all three points are wheels.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:11 PM
Subject: RV-List: Looking in the Scrap bin
Fellow listers,
I need a piece of 6061-T6 extruded aluminum alloy, 1" x 1" x .063 thick
about 8 inches long to replace an autopilot roll servo bracket that I've
missdrilled.
Anyone have anything like this in their scrap bin? I'll pay for it if
necessary - just don't want to pay minimums and cutting fees which could
make this not worth while...
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owens, Laird" <Owens(at)aerovironment.com> |
| Subject: | Marhyde & Topcoating |
Rob,
I've done a couple of really small things using Marhyde and Concept. No incompatibilities,
but I don't think adhesion was as good as with K36 or the DP epoxy
primer. Not documented, just general my general impression. Small parts were
ok, but I'd be a little concerned about large areas.
You could always do some test sample to try it out.
Laird RV-6/DCC Concept exterior
SoCal
From: rv-list(at)matronics.com on Thu, May 31, 2001 2:51 PM
Subject: RV-List: Marhyde & Topcoating
Couldn't find this in the archives, and PPG didn't have a clue:
Anyone try topcoating Marhyde #5111 Self-Etching Primer with PPG DCC Concept 2000
(or similar acrylic urethane)? If so, any noticeable incompatibilities?
Thanks, Rob Acker (RV-6, painting interior).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Thickness of f-804 spacers---RV-8 |
>
>RV-8 builders-- The building instructions for the RV-8 say to make spacers
>for the wing spar slots in bulkhead f-804 out of wood material exactly the
>thickness of the spar ends. Wood is not all that stable being susceptible
>varying changes in thickness with the addition of moisture or when subjected
>to pressure. I wonder what others have done here and what experiences you
>have encountered in building this part of the "8".
> I have milled the spacers in aluminum allowing about 0.010" oversize from
>the dimension of 1.440" for the spar bars. To those "that have been there"
>-- is that enough or more than enough clearance to insert the spar? --or too
>much clearance to take up in tightening the bolts?
>
>Ray Parker
>
Ray,
I used a series of large nuts as spacers, plus a small shim. I
believe I aimed for a thickness about 0.005 in thicker than my spar.
Scott McDaniels said that Van's uses aluminum spacers, exactly the
same thickness of the spar. He says you can file a small taper on
the end of the spar, and that it will go in even if the hole is 0.010
to 0.015 too narrow. See the RV-list archives for a message "RV-8
False spar" on April 24, 1999.
See http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/fuselage/f01.html for pictures of
how I used the large nuts.
There is one thing to watch out for when you measure the thickness of
your spar: On mine, the thinner pieces of material were not quite
tight against the spar bars at the root end. Once I clamped things
together (like they will be once you tighten up the bolts after
sliding them into the fuselage), the thickness was exactly 1.437 (1
7/16), as mentioned in the Construction Manual.
My wings fit perfectly, although I will admit I was quite worried
about it beforehand.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (mounting wings)
Ottawa, Canada
http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/rv8.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Bakersfield BBQ / Fly Inn |
EAA Bakersfield Chapter # 71 will be holding a Fly-Inn / BBQ June 2, 2001,
=A0BBQ served at around 2:00 pm, Outback Restraunt will be catering the food
this year. BBQ Prices are $10.00 and that includes the drink and dessert. All
are welcome, this is the HRll Rocket capital of the world and there will also
be many RV's
(all types) also. The BBQ is located at the north end of the field of (L45)
Bakersfield Muni. 122.8
Hope to see you there
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RVPilot4(at)webtv.net (BOBE.) |
In 1958 I flew to Freeport ILL. to visit my mother,a nurse in the old
St. Francis Hospital (now closed).I bummed a ride with a man and his
mother who was at the airport flying a large radio controlled model
airplane. On the way into town I asked about the cost(models) and sat in
stunned amazement when he told me.I did not mean to get my foot in my
mouth sideways,but I said "for that kind of money you could fly a real
airplane and you would have to play with toys". It got real quite inside
that car.The silence was deafening .I hate it when my brain goes out to
lunch and does't come back. He dropped me off some distance from the
hospital. I thanked him for the ride and while walking had time to
contemplate on the error ot my ways
Bob Murphy Poplar Grove ILL. (C77)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <john.bright(at)bigfoot.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking in the Scrap bin |
Does the metalmart.com aluminum angle have a radius or sharp corner on the
"inside" corner?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Schlosser <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Looking in the Scrap bin
>
> If you don't find it on-list, try MetalMart.com they don't have minimums> ,
etc. Don't say anything about the "A Word".
>
> -< PropellerHead >-
> It aint a 3 point landing unless all three points are wheels.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph E. Capen
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:11 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Looking in the Scrap bin
>
>
> Fellow listers,
>
> I need a piece of 6061-T6 extruded aluminum alloy, 1" x 1" x .063 thick
> about 8 inches long to replace an autopilot roll servo bracket that I've
> missdrilled.
>
> Anyone have anything like this in their scrap bin? I'll pay for it if
> necessary - just don't want to pay minimums and cutting fees which could
> make this not worth while...
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Capen
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Thickness of f-804 spacers---RV-8 |
In a message dated 5/31/01 10:50:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Parker43rp(at)aol.com writes:
> ".
> I have milled the spacers in aluminum allowing about 0.010" oversize
> from
> the dimension of 1.440" for the spar bars. To those "that have been there"
> -- is that enough or more than enough clearance to insert the spar? --or
> too
> much clearance to take up in tightening the bolts?
>
> Ray Parker
>
>
>
Ray, I think your main spars are 1.437 so 1.440 is more
realistic. I made spacers for a buddy, RV9 and the spacers have since been
used in an RV8
Fred LaForge RV-4 180 CS EAA tech counselor
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill VonDane" <n8vd(at)earthlink.net> |
"Rv-List(at)Matronics.Com"
| Subject: | -8(A) Vent Lines... |
Can somebody send me pictures, or point me to pictures of how they
terminated their vent lines out the bottom of the fuse?
Thanks in advance...
Bill VonDane, Colorado Springs, CO
RV-8A, N8VD, Plumbing
http://vondane.com/rv8a/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DDFLAMINI(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Roy Adams update |
Slow Recovery for Pilot/Owner in Astronaut/Tailwind Crash
Debra Adams, the wife of Ray Adams, the owner of the Wittman Tailwind that
crashed May 22 ("Astronaut Critically Injured in SportPlane Crash/Fire,"
05-24-01; "Astronaut Patricia Robertson Dies In Wittman Tailwind Crash/Fire;
Roy Adams Still Listed As Critical," 05-25-01, ANN), has brought us up to
date on the condition of her husband:
Roy had surgery on Tuesday, May 29th. They removed his right leg at midcalf.
They removed all damaged skin across his tummy down to the fascia and began
grafting skin from his back. There was enough to cover most of his tummy.
They did the same to his left thigh. They used donor skin on his thigh. His
arms and hands are burned but he will not lose any fingers. The most severe
burn being on the inside of his right arm. The doctor has assured me that the
underlying muscles are intact and healthy.
He continues to be on the respirator and he is aware sometimes but heavily
sedated. His face is burned but is mostly second degree. I see a few areas of
third but they are very small and the doctors feel his face will heal with no
problem. His ears and nose are fine. His hair was burned but will grow back.
There has been a fund set up by some of Roy's friends at First Community Bank
in Alvin TX. There are a couple of blood drives that are being organized as
well. (So far, he has used about 12 units that I know of and will need more.)
The FAA has dismantled the plane's motor (with the manufacturer) and the
preliminary report is negative for any mechanical failure. The witnesses I
have talked to have reported that the plane was throttled up without incident
during the takeoff. I did hear one report (not sure of the source) that the
plane had a power failure, but that is unverifiable.
There was a beautiful memorial service for Patti Robertson on the 29th of
May. I attended in spite of the fact that Roy's surgery had taken place that
day. I knew that he would want me to go. It was held at a hangar at Ellington
Field. Memorabilia from her life was displayed on tables and there was a
video presentation depicting her life and work. Such a loss!
The family and friends of Patti greeted me as if I, too, were family and
cried with me. I wanted to be there to lend my comfort and support, but they
comforted me. There is an ocean of unconditional love in that family!
**** 5/31/01 Preliminary Accident/Incident Data Record 1 ****
A. Type: A Mid Air: N Missing: N Entry date: 5/24/01 # From: SOUTHWEST
REGION OPERATIONS CENTER
B. Reg. No.: 3GJ M/M: EXP Desc: EXP-1984 WITTMAN TAILWIND Activity: Training
Phase: Take-off GA-A/C: General Aviation Descr: EXPERIMENTAL ACFT WAS
INVOLVED IN TOUCH AND GO LANDINGS, ON THE 4TH TAKE-OFF, THE ACFT PITCHED TO
THE RIGHT, THE LEFT WING STRUCK THE RWY, AND THE ACFT BEGAN TO CARTWHEEL DOWN
THE RWY, THE ACFT STRUCK TREES AT THE END OF THE RWY, CAUGHT FIRE, AND WAS
DESTROYED, 1 FATAL ON 5/24, MANVEL, TX. WX: METAR LBX 222253Z AUTO 36007KT
10SM CLR A2999 Damage: Destroyed
C2. Injury Data:
# Crew: 2 Fat: 1 Ser: 1 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
D. Location. City: MANVEL State: TX Country: US
E. Event Date: 5/22/01 Time: 2100
F. Invest Coverage. IIC: Reg/DO: SW09 DO City: HOUSTON DO State: TX Others:
NTSB
G. Flt Handling. Dep Pt: MANVEL, TX Dep Date: 5/22/01 Time: 2100 Dest:
MANVEL, TX Last Radio Cont: NONE Flt Plan: NONE Last Clearance: NONE WX
Briefing: N Other: AAI IIC:
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RV-8 ingress/egress |
Guys,
Let me offer to start a very serious and controversial thread here, one that
is surely to be looked up frequently in the archives...
"What is the best way for passengers to get in and out of the back seat of
an RV-8?"
There, I asked, I admit it, I can't figure it out. I can build the friggin
plane, but I can't for the life of me figure out an elegant way for
passengers to get in and get out *without* stepping on my nice new DJ
Lauritsen upholstery. So please offer up the results of your extensive
ergonomic testing in this area for the benefit of all, and especially me! Of
course demonstration pictures would always be appreciated, in fact I
volunteer to post the winning technique on my site.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, N558RL, 33.1 hrs.
www.rv-8.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Norman, MD" <jnorman(at)InterMapSystems.com> |
| Subject: | Great Clamp Systems |
Here is my contribution for the week.
I just got my new engine with an Air Flow Performance fuel injection system.
It comes with a high pressure fuel pump and an in-line filter. However, both
are to be mounted using large Adel clamps. Sure it works, but not very
elegant, nor does it make me feel good about the security of these
relatively heavy pieces.
In searching for a better mounting system, I found this site, and
specifically this page of this site:
http://www.cushaclamp.com/omega.html
I called them and bought two of these clamps, one part number T026MS030 and
one T030MS034 ( 1 5/8 and 1 7/8 inch Omega series clamps, respectively). The
cost was about $3.50 each and they arrived in two days.
Well they are absolutely PERFECT for this application. They fit the fuel
pump and fuel filter like they were all made in the same mold. These are
beefy clamps and one is all that is needed for each, the pump and the filter
(they are different sizes, as noted). They sit in a hard rubber (composite)
which keeps them about 1/8 inch off of the wall you are mounting it to, and
a beefy stainless steel bracket clamps the rubber around the pump and to the
wall.
If you have an Air Flow Performance system, I highly recommend these clamps.
Also, I'm sure there are some clamps here that you can use for other parts
of the plane as well.
Jim,
Tampa,
6A engine stuff...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Albert Gardner" <albert.gardner(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: F711 Bulkhead |
On my RV-9A, I'm making the F711 D Angle (plans sheet 21). It is to be made
from 6-1/32" of AA6-125x3/4x3/4. There are two pieces provided, one is 17"
long and the other is 24". Does anyone remember which would be the proper
one to use?
Thanks,
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
RV-9A: N872RV (Reserved)
Working on fuse (finally)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Norman, MD" <jnorman(at)InterMapSystems.com> |
| Subject: | c/s prop techniques |
Scott, Can you bring this with you on Saturday so I can see it... and know
what to ask for when I call them... Sounds like something I would like to
have.
Also, I talked to Don and James, they both will be at the engine hanging on
Saturday ... 11:00 am.
jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of ABAYMAN(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: c/s prop techniques
HEY RANDY
if you went to sun - n - fun or I'm sure it will be there at Oshkosh, the
Lycoming booth. i picked up their lycoming flyer, which more like a book of
compiled flyers. in it is a tremendous amount of info pertaining to the
engine and props. they are trying to put to bed the oversquare myth. in fact
they recommend you run it oversquare because the engine likes it there. this
flyer is a must have, if you own a lycoming and a constant speed prop.
if you can't find it at Oshkosh, I'm sure if you give them a call they will
send one to you. it was free at sun-n-fun.
hope this helps
Scott
Tampa
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 ingress/egress |
Randy Lervold wrote:
>
>
> Guys,
>
> Let me offer to start a very serious and controversial thread here, one that
> is surely to be looked up frequently in the archives...
>
> "What is the best way for passengers to get in and out of the back seat of
> an RV-8?"
>
> There, I asked, I admit it, I can't figure it out. I can build the friggin
> plane, but I can't for the life of me figure out an elegant way for
> passengers to get in and get out *without* stepping on my nice new DJ
> Lauritsen upholstery. So please offer up the results of your extensive
> ergonomic testing in this area for the benefit of all, and especially me! Of
> course demonstration pictures would always be appreciated, in fact I
> volunteer to post the winning technique on my site.
>
> Randy Lervold
> RV-8, N558RL, 33.1 hrs.
> www.rv-8.com
>
Randy I am sure you well get some different explanations but my experience of
taking passengers for rides for over 11 years is that the best way is to have
them step on the seats. I figure the seats are expendable because I would rather
the damage be done to the seats than the rest of the airframe. People well grab,
kick, bump, and hit everything in sight even when you help them in and out. Now
this is for an Rv-6 :) I don't know how you well do it in your RV-8.
BTW my seats are still fine after 11 years.
Jerry S
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List: RV-8 ingress/egress |
Randy I have always accepted the fact that in this type of airplane YOU WILL
step on the back seat. I am planning to have a small mat made up to place on
both seats to step on until you get in. Will keep the dirt and stuff off of
the seat and in turn off of your tail feathers.
Nearly every airplane of this type that I have flown (Two holer, fore and
aft) requires that you step on the seat. T-34's, Stearmans, T-6, Pitts, etc.
I don't know of anyone who has the proper number of degrees of freedom at
the base of the spine and leg intersection that will permit having one leg on
the wing walk and the other on the floor of the airplane. I just finished a
back operation and I can tell you for a fact that I sure as hell am not going
to try to through my afterburner out of joint trying to reach the floor in
one shot.
Make a nice little pad to put on the seat, grab the roll bar, put your right
foot on the seat and then raise the left foot and put it down in the cockpit.
Depending on size you may want to continue to hold the roll bar and/or
place one or both hands on the cockpit rails and lower yourself into the pit.
Of course you have to get that right foot out of the way and you might want
to let your seat pack slide down the seat back to keep from crashing onto the
seat.
By the way I looked at Jeff's RV-8 when it was here at 14A and he had three
cushions made up for the back seat so that you could adjust the height for
different passengers. Neat idea and I am going to copy it.
I once crawled into a Mooney Mite and could not get out. You sit on the
floor with a very thin seat cushion and there is no place to hook your heel
to get any leverage to push yourself out. The cockpit rails, at the time,
placed my arms at a point where I could not get any leverage to push myself
up and out. Finally I had to summon my buddy and ask him to haul my fanny up
far enough so I could get out of the damned thing. It was the first and last
time for me in an M-18. Got a lot of laughs out of that over the years.
Now lets see what some others have to say in this airmans ballet.
Howard Cochran
Mooresville, NC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | barry pote <barrypote(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: F711 Bulkhead |
Albert, I don't remember, but if the every thing else is equal, always
use the short piece 1st. You may need the long piece for a long piece,
if you know what I mean.
Barry Pote RV9a
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill VonDane <bvondane(at)cso.atmel.com> |
Anyone have any experience with the Telex PC-4 intercom? Specifically used
with stereo headsets like the Lightspeeds?
Thanks...
Bill VonDane, Colorado Springs, CO
RV-8A, N8VD, Plumbing
http://vondane.com/rv8a/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 ingress/egress |
A point concerning the selection of seat upholstery material came to my
attention only after several hours in my RV-6.
Yes, the only way for a normally articulated human life form to enter an
RV is by stepping on the seat cushion (I did witness one passenger, the
wife of a local builder, who entered my RV by having her right foot on
the wing, and her left foot went directly to the floor.......needless to
say, this was one leggy, flexible individual!). Only by a fortuitous
stroke of serendipity did I select a dark charcoal mingled fabric for
the surround portion of the bottom cushion, the portion that endures the
shoes of boarding passengers and pilots:
http://home.HiWAAY.net/~sbuc/journal/interior.html
Little did I realize at the time how fortunate was the selection of the
dark color for the outside of the cushions. If the lighter color had
been on the outside edges, I would have a major seat maintenance
problem.
The lesson learned:
Make sure you allow for the heavy traffic on the seat cushions when you
select the color and material for the seats. You want a color that will
not show footprints from all the folks you are going to be carrying in
your plane. I also carry a small rubber mat that I put over the seat
when the ground is wet/dirty.
Sam Buchanan (RV-6 with the great D.J. upholstery)
"The RV Journal" http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal
==================
Randy Lervold wrote:
>
>
> Guys,
>
> Let me offer to start a very serious and controversial thread here, one that
> is surely to be looked up frequently in the archives...
>
> "What is the best way for passengers to get in and out of the back seat of
> an RV-8?"
>
> There, I asked, I admit it, I can't figure it out. I can build the friggin
> plane, but I can't for the life of me figure out an elegant way for
> passengers to get in and get out *without* stepping on my nice new DJ
> Lauritsen upholstery. So please offer up the results of your extensive
> ergonomic testing in this area for the benefit of all, and especially me! Of
> course demonstration pictures would always be appreciated, in fact I
> volunteer to post the winning technique on my site.
>
> Randy Lervold
> RV-8, N558RL, 33.1 hrs.
> www.rv-8.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Builder profile/AOPA |
There is no doubt Phil Boyer is a dynamo of a representative for our GA
interests. He has appeared in front of so many congressional panels that
he is known by the entire legislature as a strong, consistent advocate
of general aviation.
I carbon-copied Mr. Boyer the letter I sent to Senator John ("ATC User
Fee") McCain expressing my support for Boyer's appointment to a GA
advisory board that was instituted by the Clinton administration.
Senator John ("tax the little planes") McCain successfully blocked
Boyer's appointment to the panel because Phil publicly objected to
McCain's desire to initiate fees for everything from weather briefings
to the use of flight following.
I promptly received a note from Phil thanking me for my support and
pledging that the fight has only just begun. It is in the interest of
ALL general aviation users to support AOPA because we only have to look
across our border to the north, and across the pond to the east to see
where GA is headed if we allow the ground-bound pols to dictate how and
when we can fly our little planes.
Sam Buchanan
=============================
Steven DiNieri wrote:
>
>
> I recently wrote a serious letter to both AOPA and the EAA, outlining my
> concerns about the privatization of the Niagara Falls airport. Primarily the
> inhospitable attitude toward ga and experimental aircraft. Wouldn't you know
> that Phil Boyer wrote me from Europe to tell me one of his associates would
> be getting in contact with me. As for EAA ....I've sent the letter three
> times with not so much as a courtesy reply.
> FWIW
>
> Steven DiNieri
> Niagara Falls, New York
> RV-6A, P28A-160
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RobHickman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | RV ingress/egress |
Randy,
I carry a small towel that I put on the seat to step on. I have found that I
use the towel for a lot of things, spilled drinks, sneeze on the canopy....
Rob Hickman
RV4 N401RH
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RV-8 ingress/egress |
Thread-Topic: RV-List: RV-8 ingress/egress
Thread-Index: AcDqr2tgr/6E0lReQ1iUuc8nctJTBAAAIXiw
| From: | "Bob Japundza" <Bob.Japundza(at)realmed.com> |
Randy,
I had my seats made out of vinyl for this exact reason. When they get
dirty I spray some upholstery cleaner on them and wipe down. The F1
will have leather seats, so hopefully leather will hold up as well as
the vinyl has.
One thing you could do is to have an upholstery shop make up some clear
slip covers for your bottom cushions, just like your crusty old aunt's
living-room furniture.
Bob Japundza
RV-6 N244BJ O-360C/S flying 144 hours
not going to tx this weekend as planned (wx)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV ingress/egress |
That seems to be the concensus. There's been some pretty humorous responses
to this inquiry.
----- Original Message -----
From: <RobHickman(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:17 AM
Subject: RV-List: RV ingress/egress
>
> Randy,
>
> I carry a small towel that I put on the seat to step on. I have found
that I
> use the towel for a lot of things, spilled drinks, sneeze on the
canopy....
>
>
> Rob Hickman
> RV4 N401RH
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | financial report |
The financial report is published in the EAA Sport Aviation Magazine every
year, as required by
law, last year it was in August and this year it will be in September.
Earl Lawrence - EAA
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Builder profile/AOPA |
Thread-Topic: RV-List: Builder profile/AOPA
Thread-Index: AcDqswydiuDYzVFZQpy8a3Mef5hZ8QAAZDdg
| From: | "Todd Wenzel" <TWenzel(at)hsdinc.com> |
AMEN SAM!! I've been a member of AOPA and EAA for only a couple of
years. I appreciate both organizations for their public advocacy of GA.
But, I have to admit, AOPA seems to always have a much larger public and
congressional presence. I appreciate the doggedness of Phil Boyer's
conviction to promote GA and stop any type of additional user fees! I
feel ALL pilots should support AOPA - especially if they are EAA
members.
Todd Wenzel
RV-8AQB - Still pounding away
AOPA & EAA Member
Delafield, Wisconsin
-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Buchanan [mailto:sbuc(at)hiwaay.net]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Builder profile/AOPA
There is no doubt Phil Boyer is a dynamo of a representative for our GA
interests. He has appeared in front of so many congressional panels that
he is known by the entire legislature as a strong, consistent advocate
of general aviation.
I carbon-copied Mr. Boyer the letter I sent to Senator John ("ATC User
Fee") McCain expressing my support for Boyer's appointment to a GA
advisory board that was instituted by the Clinton administration.
Senator John ("tax the little planes") McCain successfully blocked
Boyer's appointment to the panel because Phil publicly objected to
McCain's desire to initiate fees for everything from weather briefings
to the use of flight following.
I promptly received a note from Phil thanking me for my support and
pledging that the fight has only just begun. It is in the interest of
ALL general aviation users to support AOPA because we only have to look
across our border to the north, and across the pond to the east to see
where GA is headed if we allow the ground-bound pols to dictate how and
when we can fly our little planes.
Sam Buchanan
=============================
Steven DiNieri wrote:
>
>
> I recently wrote a serious letter to both AOPA and the EAA, outlining
my
> concerns about the privatization of the Niagara Falls airport.
Primarily the
> inhospitable attitude toward ga and experimental aircraft. Wouldn't
you know
> that Phil Boyer wrote me from Europe to tell me one of his associates
would
> be getting in contact with me. As for EAA ....I've sent the letter
three
> times with not so much as a courtesy reply.
> FWIW
>
> Steven DiNieri
> Niagara Falls, New York
> RV-6A, P28A-160
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "lucky macy" <luckymacy(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 ingress/egress |
just keep a piece of cloth material handy in a side pocket to throw on top
of the seat cushion. take of side pocket, throw it on top of seat cushion,
step on it, sit your butt down, pull the cloth out, put back in side pocket,
fly, reverse process.
>From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 ingress/egress
>Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:53:06 -0500
>
>
>A point concerning the selection of seat upholstery material came to my
>attention only after several hours in my RV-6.
>
>Yes, the only way for a normally articulated human life form to enter an
>RV is by stepping on the seat cushion (I did witness one passenger, the
>wife of a local builder, who entered my RV by having her right foot on
>the wing, and her left foot went directly to the floor.......needless to
>say, this was one leggy, flexible individual!). Only by a fortuitous
>stroke of serendipity did I select a dark charcoal mingled fabric for
>the surround portion of the bottom cushion, the portion that endures the
>shoes of boarding passengers and pilots:
>
>http://home.HiWAAY.net/~sbuc/journal/interior.html
>
>Little did I realize at the time how fortunate was the selection of the
>dark color for the outside of the cushions. If the lighter color had
>been on the outside edges, I would have a major seat maintenance
>problem.
>
>The lesson learned:
>
>Make sure you allow for the heavy traffic on the seat cushions when you
>select the color and material for the seats. You want a color that will
>not show footprints from all the folks you are going to be carrying in
>your plane. I also carry a small rubber mat that I put over the seat
>when the ground is wet/dirty.
>
>Sam Buchanan (RV-6 with the great D.J. upholstery)
>"The RV Journal" http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal
>
>==================
>
>Randy Lervold wrote:
> >
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > Let me offer to start a very serious and controversial thread here, one
>that
> > is surely to be looked up frequently in the archives...
> >
> > "What is the best way for passengers to get in and out of the back seat
>of
> > an RV-8?"
> >
> > There, I asked, I admit it, I can't figure it out. I can build the
>friggin
> > plane, but I can't for the life of me figure out an elegant way for
> > passengers to get in and get out *without* stepping on my nice new DJ
> > Lauritsen upholstery. So please offer up the results of your extensive
> > ergonomic testing in this area for the benefit of all, and especially
>me! Of
> > course demonstration pictures would always be appreciated, in fact I
> > volunteer to post the winning technique on my site.
> >
> > Randy Lervold
> > RV-8, N558RL, 33.1 hrs.
> > www.rv-8.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barstad, Are" <BarstadA(at)bis.adp.com> |
rv8list(at)yahoogroups.com, rv-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: | RE: RV8-List: RV-8 ingress/egress |
Ahhh, I can finally speak with experience, WITHOUT having my own flying
RV-8! :)
I'm 5'11", around 180lb and have by now had a few back seat rides in 2
different 8's. I have always been able to enter without stepping on the
seat. Here's what I do:
Before you start the routine, you must of course place the harness in a way
so you won't sit on it. Also make sure the foot wells are clear. I find that
sometimes maps etc. might slide down in them.
1) Step on the wing-walk with both feet, torso facing the cockpit.
2) Grab left side of roll bar with left hand and right side of turtle deck
with right hand.
3) Put right foot ON THE FLOOR just forward of the seat and aft of the right
rudder pedal.
4) Put left foot on the floor just forward of the seat and aft of the left
rudder pedal.
5) Move hands to grab sides (on the rails I think) one at the time - left
first.
6) Slide in, get comfy, make sure you don't obstruct the stick and enjoy the
fantastic view.
I get out by reversing the technique: Pull feet towards yourself and stand
up by hanging on to the rails first then change grip to roll-bar/turtle deck
and left foot out first (this is a wee bit tough - I have to stretch. Then
right foot out. If your voice sounds like Michael Jackson's when you say
"thanks for a terrific ride", you should get medical attention first, then
read my instructions again...
The other option is something I think Terry Jantzi did: Cut a Styrofoam
piece into the shape of a size 12 foot (pucker factor). The passenger can
then drop the 'foot' in the seat, stand on it and slide in. You should
probably remove the 'foot' before sitting down to avoid discomfort... :)
NOTE: I noticed that one builder installed the fire extinguisher on the left
wall just under the rail. This seem to conflict with the knees of passengers
that are taller than 6'2". It was also in the way when exiting the seat
since the left foot had to be lifted higher at an earlier stage. Another
installation I saw was behind the pilots seat-back; up fairly high. This was
nice and does not interfere with the passenger. I'm not sure how easy the
pilot can reach it though. I will try it sometime before installing mine.
I will be able to take pictures of this tomorrow if anyone is interested.
Are
RV-8 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Lervold [mailto:randy@rv-8.com]
Sent: June 1, 2001 12:49 AM
rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 ingress/egress
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Guys,
Let me offer to start a very serious and controversial thread here, one that
is surely to be looked up frequently in the archives...
"What is the best way for passengers to get in and out of the back seat of
an RV-8?"
There, I asked, I admit it, I can't figure it out. I can build the friggin
plane, but I can't for the life of me figure out an elegant way for
passengers to get in and get out *without* stepping on my nice new DJ
Lauritsen upholstery. So please offer up the results of your extensive
ergonomic testing in this area for the benefit of all, and especially me! Of
course demonstration pictures would always be appreciated, in fact I
volunteer to post the winning technique on my site.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, N558RL, 33.1 hrs.
www.rv-8.com
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| From: | Michael McGee <jmpcrftr(at)teleport.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 ingress/egress |
In a Grumman AA-1 I used to fly, the seat cushion was "hinged" in the back
with velcro or something. You would swing the first leg in and flip the
cushion up with your toe then stand on the floor under the cushion. After
getting the trailing leg in and shuffling your feet forward the cushion
fell into place for you to sit on.
Mike
Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Aurora, OR
>
>Guys,
>
>Let me offer to start a very serious and controversial thread here, one that
>is surely to be looked up frequently in the archives...
>
>"What is the best way for passengers to get in and out of the back seat of
>an RV-8?"
>
>There, I asked, I admit it, I can't figure it out. I can build the friggin
>plane, but I can't for the life of me figure out an elegant way for
>passengers to get in and get out *without* stepping on my nice new DJ
>Lauritsen upholstery. So please offer up the results of your extensive
>ergonomic testing in this area for the benefit of all, and especially me! Of
>course demonstration pictures would always be appreciated, in fact I
>volunteer to post the winning technique on my site.
>
>Randy Lervold
>RV-8, N558RL, 33.1 hrs.
>www.rv-8.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Anthony J Castellano <tcastella(at)juno.com> |
I am posting this for a friend.
For Sale
RV6 wing kit, New, Pre punched skins.
In original boxes.
$4000 or best offer.
Phone (845) 227-8527 or E-Mail me at the address
below.
Tony Castellano
tcastella(at)juno.com
Hopewell Junction, NY
RV-6 N401TC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Sears <sears(at)searnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Builder profile/AOPA |
See what I meant about Cy in my earlier post? I learned from a KR-2
builder a long time ago that Cy is on several lists. He isn't even a
builder. He's a Bellanca pilot. Who knows? He may actually be a
spy for the EAA. :-)
Jim Sears in KY
>>
I'm replying but as I never got the original, I can't even direct your
letter to the proper person. Send me a copy of your letter and I will
personally see that you get a reply.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
<<
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| From: | Jim Duckett <perfeng(at)3rivers.net> |
| Subject: | Substraints and topcoats |
Rob and others,
Not wanting to start another long thread on finishes...Just would advise
you to use the total system of a manufactuer and follow their directions.
We use PPG, DuPont and Randolph systems and don't mix and match.
Marhyde is a "supplimental" manufactuer and doesn't produce a full
system so we don't use their products. IMHO they produce a lower
quality product than the "big three". The three are tried and proven
systems and have great tech support through their dealers.
Check the archives for a looong list and threads...
Jim Duckett
Performance Engineering
RV-6A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chuck Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com> |
| Subject: | Builder profile/AOPA |
Hey... Didn't they pass some sorta law outlawing "Bellanca" pilots? Okay
boys, let's get a rope!
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Sears <sears(at)searnet.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Builder profile/AOPA
>
> See what I meant about Cy in my earlier post? I learned from a KR-2
> builder a long time ago that Cy is on several lists. He isn't even a
> builder. He's a Bellanca pilot. Who knows? He may actually be a
> spy for the EAA. :-)
>
> Jim Sears in KY
>
> >>
>
> I'm replying but as I never got the original, I can't even direct your
> letter to the proper person. Send me a copy of your letter and I will
> personally see that you get a reply.
>
> Cy Galley
> Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
> <<
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andy Karmy <andy.karmy(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AFS paint/primer systems |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alison and Neil McLeod" <bedrock(at)theriver.com>
> Anybody out there have experience with the AFS (Aircraft Finishing
> Systems) stuff, specificly the primer sealer and 2 part polyurethane
> topcoat. If so I'd like to know how you prepped and what type equipment
> you used.
Ok, well since there have been no reply's I'll come out of readonly mode for
a second...
I have not used AFS products on much aluminum, however I did paint my fabric
covered MiniMax with their 2 part polyurathane topcoat products. I also used
the primer and topcoat on my aluminum struts and misc parts.
First, I used it since it was waterbased and I could much more easily spray
it in my attached garage than a MEK based system.
Overall I liked it, however it is a bit harder to use than some systems as
it's a 2 part system. Thus you must mix, prep spray, wait for it to dry type
process. It looks very glossy when done and turns heads (I won grand
champion ultralight at Arlington 2000 with it). The people at AFS are very
knowledgeable and helpfull. Give Paul a call and see what he has to say.
He did tell me that their primary customers are the comercial operators
painting jets as they love the non hazmat nature of the waterbourne
coatings.
- Andy Karmy
Seattle, WA
Hoping / Dreaming of a 9A
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
"RV-List Digest (E-mail)"
Occasionally there is talk on the list about canopy breaking tools. Here's
one that I hadn't seen before:
http://www2.grizzlyindustrial.com
Search for item H2416, Walther jungle tool. It's only 9 oz and does
everything except convert into a portable hangar. Anybody tried this thing?
It looks pretty neat. $39.95
Vince Frazier
Harmon Rocket II ... the fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html <---- note: new
URL as of 5/30/01
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ross A. Scroggs" <rscroggs(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Help,
I purchased a wing kit for a RV4. With this kit I
received Barnard Aircraft Components Quick Build parts.
This is the kit that supplied you with already built
parts that are gold annodized and tagged with the part
numbers on them. Kind of cheating!! In BAC's flyer,
they mention that they provide extra drawings to
supplement Van's drawings. Does anybody have those
drawings? I would like a copy and would be able to pay
for coping and shipping if needed. This kit is no
longer available.
Most of the parts need no explanation but some of
them are not shown in my RV4 drawings, such as W425A,
some kind of a shim I think.
Anybody remember these drawings?
Thanks in advance,
Ross Scroggs
RV-4 #3911
Conyers, Ga.
rscroggs(at)worldnet.att.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
I picked up my fuse and finish kits this AM at Vans for my 9. I got there a
liitle earlier than they expected so to kill some time, Scott took me up in
the demonstrator. It was a nice distraction. The 7 left early (around 5) for
Texas. I was back in Bend by 11:50 and I have my wife's van full of plane
parts!
Greg Tanner
RV-9A WINGS
O-320 D1A/CATTO
N80BR RESERVED
________________________________________________________________________________
RV-8ers,
My quest for the definitive methodology for RV-8 passenger ingress/egress
yielded a swift and unanimous result... ya gotta step on da seat!
RV-8 builder/pilot Joe Czachorowski gets the award for the most succinct and
illustrative description of the now-approved methodology and is copied
below. Thanks to all who responded, now we know how it's done. If anyone
would care to take step-by-step pictures of this procedure, of course using
a gorgeous or visually interesting model, I'd be happy to put them on my web
site. We could all then send our passengers to this page for a required
pre-flight briefing before taking them for a ride!
Randy Lervold
RV-8, N558RL, 31.2 hrs
www.rv-8.com
> I too have beautiful leather DJ seats. I did not want anyone stepping on
> them also. After giving over 30 GIB rides here is what I came up with:
>
> 1 - No matter how much you brief people to get in and out, they will end
up
> doing something different if you don't watch them.
>
> 2- The first method I tried was to tell them "exactly" how to get in, i.e.
> please put both feet on the black part of the wing, Then, put your right
> foot on the floor just in front of the seat, now bring your left foot in
on
> the floor and just slide right in. THIS DOES NOT WORK! DON'T DO IT THIS
> WAY! people end up grabbing parts of your plane that you don't want them
> to grad, namely, the CANOPY!
>
> 3- The next thing I tried was to take a rag and place it on the seat.
Have
> them step on the rag with their right foot and then get in. That worked
OK
> I guess, but sometimes the rag slipped and so did the passenger.
>
> 4- The BEST method that worked on my last ten passengers was the KISS
> method. This method assures that you will still have parts of your
> airplane still attached after they get in. This is what I say.....
>
> "Place both feet on the black part of the wing (this is my slip guard).
> Next, place your right foot ON the seat. Don't worry about getting it
> dirty because the bottom of your pants leg will clean it. Now, with your
> right hand, grab the right side of the airplane (meaning the right canopy
> rail). Now bring your left foot in and place it on the floor. Your left
> hand will naturally grab the left side of the aircraft (meaning the left
> canopy rail). Now you can let yourself down with your arms and put your
> feet in the footwells".
>
> This method works for me and I am happy to say I still have ALL my parts
> attached to the plane! People will want to grab your canopy and put their
> weight on it. You really have to watch them even though you politely
asked
> them not to grab the canopy. I don't care about people stepping on the
> seats. I rather would have them get into the aircraft safely and not get
> hurt rather than worry about a little dirt. Heck, when I clean the belly
> of the plane, I make a point to clean my seats even though they don't look
> dirty. Well Randy, that's my story and I stickin' to it!
>
> Joe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Builder profile/AOPA |
>
>we only have to look
>across our border to the north, and across the pond to the east to see
>where GA is headed if we allow the ground-bound pols to dictate how and
>when we can fly our little planes.
>
>Sam Buchanan
>
>=============================
Sam,
All is not lost here in Canada. While I certainly agree that y'all
have it better than us in some ways, we have taken the lead in
others. For example:
Owner Maintenance category: a recent change allows owners of many
older types of aircraft to move them to an Owner Maintenance
category. This allows them to do their own maintenance and
modifications without getting any official approvals or A&P signoffs,
i.e. just like us homebuilders. One guy used this method to put a
LOM engine in his DHC-1 Chipmunk, and another guy put a Corvette
engine in this SeaBee. Many other people are taking advantage of the
decrease in costs to fly.
Extended medical validity periods - Private Pilots less than 40 years
old now only have to renew their medical every 5 years, as long as
they don't fly to the US. The medical is only valid for 2 years if
flying to the US though.
Builder assistance - there will be a public meeting in June to
discuss proposed major changes to the regulations regarding
homebuilts. We will be able to use builder assistance if these
changes get approved.
Advanced ultralights - we have had an Advanced Ultralight category
for years, with a max gross weight of 1200 lb.
So, we aren't doing as bad as some people think, at least from an
aviation perspective.
Happy flying,
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (mounting wings)
Ottawa, Canada
http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/rv8.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Keith Hughes" <rv6tc(at)earthlink.net> |
OK. I can't figure out how to get in there and mount the aileron control
stops. There is no room to mark, clamp or get really small fingers (my
wife's) to locate the stop. I know someone has figured out an easier way.
Thanks,
Keith Hughes
RV-6 Finish
Parker, CO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <tcwatson(at)seanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It's unanimous |
Ok, Randy, now that it's unanimous, I gotta chime in. When Bill Benedict
gave me my ride in the back of the 8A at Arlington about 3 years ago, I
asked I could step on the seat and was told not to. I remember being a bit
embarassed for asking.
Terry
8A fuselage - floors & flaps
Seattle
>
> RV-8ers,
>
> My quest for the definitive methodology for RV-8 passenger ingress/egress
> yielded a swift and unanimous result... ya gotta step on da seat!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aileron stop |
> OK. I can't figure out how to get in there and mount the aileron control
> stops. There is no room to mark, clamp or get really small fingers (my
> wife's) to locate the stop. I know someone has figured out an easier way.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith Hughes
> RV-6 Finish
> Parker, CO
Keith,
I waited until final assembly, scribed a line where I wanted the aileron to
stop while using a SmartTool to measure the deflection, then used an AN4
bolt with the appropriate washers to make a stop. You'll need an angle drill
to drill the hole with the flaps & ailerons attached. It worked great.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, N558RL, 31.2 hrs
www.rv-8.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: It's unanimous |
The -8A is easier than the taildragger -8 because of the angle. Try them
both, you'll see. Don't know why Bill wouldn't let you step on the
upholstery, those things get tromped on by all sorts of showgoers.
So how'd ya do it?
Randy
>
> Ok, Randy, now that it's unanimous, I gotta chime in. When Bill Benedict
> gave me my ride in the back of the 8A at Arlington about 3 years ago, I
> asked I could step on the seat and was told not to. I remember being a
bit
> embarassed for asking.
>
> Terry
> 8A fuselage - floors & flaps
> Seattle
>
>
> >
> > RV-8ers,
> >
> > My quest for the definitive methodology for RV-8 passenger
ingress/egress
> > yielded a swift and unanimous result... ya gotta step on da seat!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Visiting SoCal & Oregon |
> Are there any known events in that area on the 16th?
> Anything in the Seattle area? I'd really appreciate any suggestions.
Are you kidding? The highlight of the year is June 16th... the Tenth Annual
Northwest RV Fly-in at Scappoose Airpark. For details see...
http://www.vanshomewing.org/
Randy Lervold
RV-8, N558RL, 31.2 hrs
www.rv-8.com
Home Wing VAF
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aileron stop |
randy
where did you drill the hole and put the bolt?
scott
tampa
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ENewton57(at)aol.com |
<>
Matt gave you some great advise. I would add, that you should practice drilling
out some rivets and re-doing it as you will definitly drill some out. If you
screw up on the real thing, it will be do big deal if you know they are very
easy to just drill out and re-do it.
Eric Newton - Long Beach, MS
RV-6A - N57ME (Reserved) (Fitting Cowling)
www.ericsrv6a.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Duane Bentley" <dbentley(at)fuse.net> |
| Subject: | Lyc. Fuel Pump Gasket |
I'm replacing the engine mounted fuel pump on my new Lycoming 0-360 with the
high pressure fuel pump to install the Airflow Performance Fuel Injection.
I assume there is a gasket under the fuel pump that will also need
replacement. I called the local airports designated Lycoming parts dealer.
He seemed a little indifferent to selling parts. He asked me what the P/N
was and I told him I didn't know. He told me I shouldn't be working on a
Lycoming engine without the engine manual, and besides, he doesn't sell less
than a $50 order.
I'm sure Aircraft Spruce will sell me the gasket, if I gave them a P/N.
Does anyone have a Lycoming manual and can give me the fuel pump gasket part
number?
Thanks
Duane Bentley
RV6
N515DB (Reserved)
Finishing the sliding canopy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aileron stop |
> where did you drill the hole and put the bolt?
> scott
> tampa
Sorry, I drilled the hole through the aileron mount bracket (the big thing
attached to the rear spar). The inboard aileron bracket (WD-406?) then hits
the head of the bolt to form a stop.
Randy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David White" <dwhite17(at)columbus.rr.com> |
, "Larava James" ,
"Richard Meske"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie Cunningham" <cunningham.259(at)osu.edu>
"Tony Della Rocco" ; ;
; ; ;
; ; ;
; ; ;
; ; "Dave Bibb"
; "Mike Bierl" ; "Bret Wiegman"
; "Bob Macklin" ; "Brian Keller"
; "Kylie Butte" ; "Carrie Luedtke"
; "Connie Collins" ; "Sara Chaney"
; "Chris Maupin" ; "Chris
Papadakis" ; "Chris White" ;
"Dave White" ; "Jason Doty" ;
"Eric Kent" ; "Goshe" ; "Lindsay Jenkins"
; "Kristin Halladay" ; "Jennifer
Stevenson" ; "Kim Roeger" ; "Loren
Stone" ; "Mandy Sagle" ; "MDH-S"
; "Pat McDevitt" ; "Mike
Papadakis" ; "Mike Johnson" ;
"Mom" ; "Nicole Zann" ; "Rachel
Parker" ; "Dave Schritzinger" ; "Tony
Sparks"
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:51 AM
Subject: FW: Gas Prices
>
> ----------
> From: "LCpl Nicholas B Stanley" <stanleynb(at)boguewx.navy.mil>
> Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:50:27 +0100
> To: "Becky Welsh" , "scott pullen"
,
> "Sarah Wall" , "PAT IAN MCDEVITT"
> , "Megan McDevitt" ,
"Jamie
> Cunningham" , "Heather May Stanley"
> , "Grant Meier" , "Chris Pierce"
> , "Betsy Ann Pierce"
> Subject: Fw: FW: Gas Prices
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cpl Kris Vanmoerkerque" <vanka(at)boguewx.navy.mil>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:46 AM
> Subject: Fw: FW: Gas Prices
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Art Vanmoerkerque" <artv331(at)home.com>
> > To: "Cpl Kris Vanmoerkerque"
> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:56 AM
> > Subject: Fw: FW: Gas Prices
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tiffany Tuttle" <tiff_tut(at)hotmail.com>
> > > To: ; ;
> > ;
> > > ; ; ;
> > ;
> > > ; ; ;
> > > ; ; ;
> > > ; ; ;
> > > ; ;
> > > ;
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:51 PM
> > > Subject: Fwd: FW: Gas Prices
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >Want gasoline prices to come down?
> > > > >We need to take some intelligent, united action.
> > > > >
> > > > >Phillip Hollsworth (friend of a friend of a friend ..., offered
this
> > good
> > > > >idea):
> > > > >
> > > > >This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain
day"
> > > > >campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies
> > just
> > > > >laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt"
> > > ourselves
> > > > >by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than
it
> > was
> > > a
> > > > >problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up
with
> a
> > > > >plan
> > > > >that can really work. Please read it and join with us!
> > > > >
> > > > >By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is
> super
> > > > >cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 for regular unleaded in my
town.
> > Now
> > > > >that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to
> > think
> > > > >that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need
to
> > > take
> > > > >aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the
> > > marketplace....not
> > > > >sellers.
> > > > >
> > > > >With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers
need
> to
> > > > >take
> > > > >action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down
> is
> > if
> > > > >we
> > > > >hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we
can
> > do
> > > > >that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How?
> > > > >
> > > > >Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But
we
> > CAN
> > > > >have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a
price
> > war.
> > > > >
> > > > >Here's the idea:
> > > > >
> > > > >For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two
> > > biggest
> > > > >companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not
> selling
> > > any
> > > > >gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce
> their
> > > > >prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
> > > > >
> > > > >But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon
> and
> > > > >Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out
on
> me
> > > at
> > > > >this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to
reach
> > > > >millions of people!!
> > > > >
> > > > >I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send
it
> > to
> > > at
> > > > >least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least
> ten
> > > > >more
> > > > >(300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches
the
> > > sixth
> > > > >generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
> > consumers!
> > > > >
> > > > >If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
> > each,
> > > > >then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one
level
> > > > >further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again,
> all
> > > you
> > > > >have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.
> > > > >
> > > > >(If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you
> have
> > to
> > > > >do
> > > > >is send this to 10 people.... well, let's face it, you just aren't
a
> > > > >mathematician. But I am close to one... so trust me on this one.)
> > > > >
> > > > >How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to
> ten
> > > > >more
> > > > >people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
> > > conceivably
> > > > >be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think
you
> > and
> > > I
> > > > >had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a
> > > difference.
> > > > >
> > > > >If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.
> > > > >
> > > > >PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE
AND
> > KEEP
> > > > >THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
> > > >
> > > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Gas Prices |
In a message dated 6/1/01 7:11:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
dwhite17(at)columbus.rr.com writes:
<< > > > > >For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the
two
> > > biggest
> > > > >companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not
> selling
> > > any
> > > > >gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. >>
Ever since the Exxon Valdez incident, I never buy Exxon fuel unless there is
no alternative and I'm on empty. I don't shop at Wal-Mart either but I see
their parking lots overflowing every time I drive by. Go figure.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV)
vanremog(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lyc. Fuel Pump Gasket |
In a message dated 6/1/01 4:50:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dbentley(at)fuse.net
writes:
<< I'm replacing the engine mounted fuel pump on my new Lycoming 0-360 with
the
high pressure fuel pump to install the Airflow Performance Fuel Injection.
I assume there is a gasket under the fuel pump that will also need
replacement. I called the local airports designated Lycoming parts dealer.
He seemed a little indifferent to selling parts. He asked me what the P/N
was and I told him I didn't know. He told me I shouldn't be working on a
Lycoming engine without the engine manual, and besides, he doesn't sell less
than a $50 order.
I'm sure Aircraft Spruce will sell me the gasket, if I gave them a P/N.
Does anyone have a Lycoming manual and can give me the fuel pump gasket part
number? >>
P/N 60096 Fuel Pump Gasket. FWIW, I agree with your parts dealer. Get the
PC-106 Parts catalog at least.
-GV (RV-6A N1GV)
vanremog(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Builder profile/AOPA |
Points well made.
I do wish we Amurricuns could mimic your reluctance to award ridiculous
tort settlements in the aviation community.
But......I suspect the outrageous settlements are headed your way
eventually......
Sam Buchanan
========================
Kevin Horton wrote:
>
>
> >
> >we only have to look
> >across our border to the north, and across the pond to the east to see
> >where GA is headed if we allow the ground-bound pols to dictate how and
> >when we can fly our little planes.
> >
> >Sam Buchanan
> >
> >=============================
>
> Sam,
>
> All is not lost here in Canada. While I certainly agree that y'all
> have it better than us in some ways, we have taken the lead in
> others. For example:
>
> Owner Maintenance category: a recent change allows owners of many
> older types of aircraft to move them to an Owner Maintenance
> category. This allows them to do their own maintenance and
> modifications without getting any official approvals or A&P signoffs,
> i.e. just like us homebuilders. One guy used this method to put a
> LOM engine in his DHC-1 Chipmunk, and another guy put a Corvette
> engine in this SeaBee. Many other people are taking advantage of the
> decrease in costs to fly.
>
> Extended medical validity periods - Private Pilots less than 40 years
> old now only have to renew their medical every 5 years, as long as
> they don't fly to the US. The medical is only valid for 2 years if
> flying to the US though.
>
> Builder assistance - there will be a public meeting in June to
> discuss proposed major changes to the regulations regarding
> homebuilts. We will be able to use builder assistance if these
> changes get approved.
>
> Advanced ultralights - we have had an Advanced Ultralight category
> for years, with a max gross weight of 1200 lb.
>
> So, we aren't doing as bad as some people think, at least from an
> aviation perspective.
>
> Happy flying,
> --
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (mounting wings)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/rv8.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Thomas Mosher" <tgmosher(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: P&W Canada PT-6A on RV-8A |
You might have a little bit of an aft CG problem using a PT6A - I just took
a quick look at it's TCDS and the shortest one is about 61 inches with a dry
weight in the low 300 lb range. Some of the PT6As run about 72 inches long.
Also, PT6As in decent shape aren't cheap.
Maybe an Allison or a Walthers?
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jim_Andrews(at)tivoli.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: RV-List: P&W Canada PT-6A on RV-8A
>
> I'm posting this for a fellow RV builder who is having e-mail problems...
>
> - Jim
>
>
> While I'm still building my empennage I'm looking
> forward. I've planned to use a Lycoming O-360 but
> exploring my options.
>
> Does anyone know of a RV-8 with a tubine mounted?
> Would this be feasable?
>
> Davidk
>
> David B. Kumhyr
> dkumhyr(at)tivoli.com
> Telephone +1 512/436-1268
> Mobile +1 512/IBM-8900
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "bjc" <bjc(at)btconnect.com> |
| Subject: | UK RV builders & Flyers |
Todd, and any other visitors to the UK;
you can find an up to date list of UK/European RV builders and flyers at
www.rv6.co.uk
Best regards
Barry Clifford (RV6a wings)
>Are there any RV builders in the Chester or Manchester, UK area? I am
stuck
>here for a bit and would be happy to help you with your project when I am
>here. I am currently, well when in Seattle, working on RV8 wings.
>Better, I would be happy to sit in the right seat or rear seat anytime you
>want some ballast in you RV.
>Cheers,
>Todd W. Rudberg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Lawson <jwlawson(at)hargray.com> |
>
> From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
> Subject: RV-List: New Builder
>
>
> I am finally ready to purchase and proceed with building an RV-8. I am wo> ndering
if I have the skills. How many of you have done this before?
Me!!!!!!!!!! :-)
> I am> mechanically inclined but have never worked with rivets etc. Is this a
s> kill easily learned.
In a word, 'yes.' A previous lister's advice was right on target. Find a nearby
builder and ask him to give you some advice...the vast majority of RV builders
will be more than happy to spend some time with you and show you the basics...then
you can pick up some basic tools and some scrap material to practice
on. That builder might just put the Tom Sawyer principle to work ("work" isn't
work, when a person thinks it is
fun...remember how Tom got his Aunt Polly's fence painted?) and have you help him
with his project. If you'd like a more formal 'warm and fuzzy', there are
workshops (EAA/SportAir, Orndorff, etc) that you can attend...if you want more
details about a particular workshop, just post an inquiry about it to this workshop.
The riveting skill is relatively easy to acquire, so don't sweat it.
Semper Fi,
John
RV-6 (work getting in the way of installing the aileron trim...)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ashley & Margaret Johnston" <Jabiru.nz(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Bruce Cruikshank |
Group,
Would someone be so kind as to pass to me the E-mail address of Bruce
Cruikshank.
Kindest regards to all
Ashley Johnston
Jabiru New Zealand
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RVer273sb(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lyc. Fuel Pump Gasket |
Make sure you get the pump push rod properly
located on the pump arm!
Stewart RV4 N273SB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Textor" <pincjt(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Tank dimple dies |
Morning friends,
When using the Cleaveland tank dies should you use them on the skin and
ribs or use the tank die for the ribs and regular #40 die for the skin?
Thanks,
Jack in DSM
RV8, tanks, getting close to goo time
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tank dimple dies |
Jack, when assembling the fuel tanks, use the tank dies on ribs and
skin. This is so a deeper dimple will be formed that will allow for the
build up of sealer in the dimple.
On the rest of the airframe, you can use the tank dies on the
substructure and regular dies on the skins. You may find that this
allows the skins to fit a little tighter to the bulkheads.
Sam Buchanan (RV-6)
"The RV Journal" http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal
More info on tank dies here:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/tankdies.html
==================================
Jack Textor wrote:
>
>
> Morning friends,
> When using the Cleaveland tank dies should you use them on the skin and
> ribs or use the tank die for the ribs and regular #40 die for the skin?
> Thanks,
> Jack in DSM
> RV8, tanks, getting close to goo time
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cleaveland Aircraft Tool" <mail(at)cleavelandtool.com> |
| Subject: | Tank dimple dies |
Jack,
You should use the tank dies on the skin and on the ribs when dimpling the
tanks. Use them on the substructure of the rest of the airplane to get the
dimples to "nest" together better.
Call me if you need more details.
Mike
Mike Lauritsen
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
2225 First St.
Boone, IA 50036
1-800-368-1822
Mike(at)CleavelandTool.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jack Textor
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:26 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Tank dimple dies
>
>
> Morning friends,
> When using the Cleaveland tank dies should you use them on
> the skin and
> ribs or use the tank die for the ribs and regular #40 die for
> the skin?
> Thanks,
> Jack in DSM
> RV8, tanks, getting close to goo time
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bruce Cruikshank |
In a message dated 6/2/01 3:44:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Jabiru.nz(at)xtra.co.nz writes:
<< Would someone be so kind as to pass to me the E-mail address of Bruce
Cruikshank. >>
Bruce can be reached at
-GV (RV-6A N1GV)
vanremog(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Edward Hicks <EdHicks(at)compuserve.com> |
>>OK. I can't figure out how to get in there and mount the aileron control
stops. There is no room to mark, clamp or get really small fingers (my
wife's) to locate the stop. I know someone has figured out an easier
way.<<
Keith,
I used double-sided tape to hold the stop in position. First I figured out
where the correct location for it was, then once the location was set
correctly, I took off the aileron and used a small c-clamp to hold the stop
firmly while I drilled the two holes.
Good luck,
Ed Hicks.
RV-6 QB G-BZRV (Panel stuff)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Schlosser" <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: RV9-List: H-frame question |
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Schlosser
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: H-frame question
Todd,
I've been looking at your site for a while getting ideas. The wing jig, for
me, will need to be portable. My garage has a real tall ceiling and I can't do
the jackpost routine without some real problems with post length. How do you
solve any settling problems in the jig? If the wood warps or sags, how do you
tweak out any problems? I'm guessing the horizontal members don't really need
to be perfectly straight as long as the vertical posts are plumb and your
floor is a level reference for the spars.
I've got to plan ahead and figure out what to do before I buy any components of
the kit due to space limitations.
One builder on the web was using an I-beam jig for his fuselage. I was thinking
of trying the same thing for both the fuselage and the wings/tail. If I get
them made up to bolt together, I can take them apart when I'm done and donate
them to a local EAA chapter or save them for friends that night build one after
they see mine.
Still looking for ideas to make everything tuck away neatly into "my side" of
the garage after a building session.
Kevin Schlosser
-< PropellerHead >-
Future RV-7 Builder...
Still debating the canopy type: Tip Up / Slider (50/50) Was (20/80) :-)
Terry Jantzi's video totally screwed me up now.
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Houg
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV9-List: H-frame question
--> RV9-List message posted by: Todd Houg
Jennifer,
I concur with the others as to the neeed for the jig for empennage
assembly. I didn't use it(or builf it) until I started on the wings. One
option you might want to consider is a free standing portable wing jig on
casters that you can move around. You can take a look at the one that I
built at http://www.toddhoug.com under the wing jig section. I've found
this jig to be very useful. I created the support arms long enough to mount
a wing on either side of the jig to allow working on both simultaneously.
Of course you can't get between them, so you will need a temporary wing
storage to put one while working on the other. I mounted a couple of short
12" support arms to one wall of my garage and move one wing to there while
working on the other.
Welcome!
Todd Houg
St. Francis, MN
Wings, tanks 'n things
--> RV9-List message posted by: jennifer groceman
Hi All,
I'm finally getting started on my emp & it's time for me to build the
H-frame. Can someone tell me exactly what this "jig" is going to be used
for? I am starting this project in the living room and cannot really attach
anything to floor (and preferably not the ceiling). I have room in the
garage to do this, but I was wondering how much time will be spent doing
work on the jig; i.e. do stuff inside and then haul it out to the garage
to
finish it off, etc... Also if anyone has any ideas for alternatives to
bolting to the floor (like building a more rigid free standing frame), I'd
love to hear them.
Thanks for the help,
Jennifer Groceman
Lake Worth, Florida
RV9A - empennage
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Duckett <perfeng(at)3rivers.net> |
Will,
Your probably right about the painters not prepping properly. As
stated on here before, etching and priming is the MOST important part of
a paint job. Poor prepping (cleaning, etching, priming) and using low
quality or mismatched products will make your "Dream Bird" look like it
went through a sand storm after only a few months of clear air flying.
The easiest way to think of a complete finish is comparing it to
plywood. Every laminate (paint or primer layer) must be bonded to the
other coats. Chemically cleaning and etching the ALCAD allows the
primer to "bite" and adhere. There are self-etching primers that have
etching agents in the formula that cuts out the etching step.
All the steps (etching, priming, painting) have time frames in which the
products are "coatable". In other words, you may only have 4- 8 hrs
after final primer coat flash in which to topcoat without having to
scuff the primer or re-coat before top coating.
It sounds like this may have happened to you.
The problem is that the finish will look perfect until one little grain
of sand or hard headed bug hits it and penatrates to the base material
(alcad). Then air pressure and moisture enter the breech and without any
layer adherance, the substraint starts seperating from the base and topcoat.
To answer your question on whether to refinish the wing or not, it's
really up to you. Here's the problem. If in fact the wings were not
properly prepped you can strip (mechanically or chemically) the bad
areas past the lifting and hope you can strip to an area that has good
adherance and re-finish and hope for the best. The down side is, if
you don't have good adherance of the substraint you'll end up stripping
on the whole wing anyway.
I'd try to strip past the lifted area first to see if the whole wing is
that way or just that spot. It'll have to done anyway.
As with us, most painters give some type of warranty on their work. Get
a couple of other painters to look at the area to give you a little more
insight when you talk to the one that painted your 6. If it is
determined that the product was defective most manufacuters will, after
some debate, cover at least the cost of materials to re-do the job.
Hope this helps
Jim Duckett
Performance Engineering
RV-6A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> |
| Subject: | Micromonitor oil temp probe location |
I searched the archives on the subject line of this email but came up with
nothing.
I was wondering if some of the micromonitor users out there can tell me
where they located their oil temperature probe? I need to find out what
plug I need.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Schlosser" <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Models of RV Aircraft (Was Models) |
Wow, Look what I just got in the mail today! Great Planes / Tower Hobbies is
releasing a new .40 size radio control model airplane kit of the RV-4. Wooo Hooo!
Now they just need to come out with the RV-6/7 and I'm set!
John, this may take some building, but it's BIGGER than the Van's model,
and you can paint it whatever color you want. If you don't have model plane experience,
you might want to go with the Van's version.
See link I just scanned in.... http://propellerhead.rcplanet.com/gp_rv-4.jpg
Coooool!
-< PropellerHead >-
----- Original Message -----
From: John
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 6:07 PM
Subject: models
Kevin, have you ever seen an RV model in the marketplace? I am looking for
one...don't want to pay the $95 or so that Van wants for a solid one...even
though they are very nice....
John Salida CO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AV8TURDON(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Models of RV Aircraft (Was Models) |
I scanned that link and it is wrong. It for creating a web page.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Keith Hughes" <rv6tc(at)earthlink.net> |
One decision that I have been going back and forth on, is the canopy
jettison for the -6 tip up. While I think that the circumstances that would
lead me to jettisoning the thing in the air are almost non-existent, there
is an argument to be made about using it to remove the canopy on the ground.
However, how often (really) am I going to be removing the thing, and would
it really be that bad to have to reach up and remove two bolts. If it's not
a big deal, I really don't want that thing on my panel for a few reasons.
Could those of you that have been through this weigh in and let me know what
you've found through experience or what has run through your mind in making
your decision.
Thanks,
Keith Hughes
RV-6 finish
Parker, CO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Textor" <pincjt(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Tank 405 attach angle ??? |
Yet another tank question! Thanks in advance for some help. Because
the nose of the rib is rounded a bit, should I contour the angle some to
fit up to the rib better or force the rib to fit the flat back-side of
the angle? Also, Where can I find the measurements for the slot
cut-out? Thanks again!
Jack in DSM
rv8, tanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Lundin <rlundin46(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: P&W Canada PT-6A on RV-8A |
I did a little research on the Turbine/prop option and
there doesn't seem to be a good answer in off the
shelf products. I was looking for 200-250 shp. There
is a T-63 turbine near that with an ok price but no
gearbox is available. If you find a good combo make
sure you post it.
Rick
--- Thomas Mosher wrote:
>
>
> You might have a little bit of an aft CG problem
> using a PT6A - I just took
> a quick look at it's TCDS and the shortest one is
> about 61 inches with a dry
> weight in the low 300 lb range. Some of the PT6As
> run about 72 inches long.
> Also, PT6As in decent shape aren't cheap.
>
> Maybe an Allison or a Walthers?
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Jim_Andrews(at)tivoli.com>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:39 PM
> Subject: RV-List: P&W Canada PT-6A on RV-8A
>
>
> Jim_Andrews(at)tivoli.com
> >
> > I'm posting this for a fellow RV builder who is
> having e-mail problems...
> >
> > - Jim
> >
> >
> > While I'm still building my empennage I'm looking
> > forward. I've planned to use a Lycoming O-360 but
> > exploring my options.
> >
> > Does anyone know of a RV-8 with a tubine mounted?
> > Would this be feasable?
> >
> > Davidk
> >
> > David B. Kumhyr
> > dkumhyr(at)tivoli.com
> > Telephone +1 512/436-1268
> > Mobile +1 512/IBM-8900
> >
> >
>
>
>
> through
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
> Matronics!
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy Jettison |
Unless you have a parachute on and intend to bail out of the aircraft, I
would strongly recommend that you do not jettison the bubble canopy of a
GA plane. This is based on my time as a US Navy Flight Surgeon and
reviews of who-knows-how-many NTSB reports and is worth what you paid
for it. The main problem is potential damage to the VS/rudder, causing
loss of those control surfaces in an already stressful, potentially
deadly situation. Some folks contend that being able to jettison the
canopy "just before impact" will save you, somehow, if the plane ends up
inverted. However, if you're crash landing in trees, rough terrain,
etc. the canopy becomes a protective device to protect your skull, that
would otherwise be hanging out there in the breeze. And, if you are
ditching in an emergency, the last thing you need is a last minute
distraction when your attention should solely focused on making the best
possible controlled crash. If your cockpit is engulfed in flames, losing
the canopy and providing more forced air to the fire may make things
worse instead of better. If your cabon monoxide monitor (you have one,
right?) goes off, close cabin heat and ventilate the cockpit. You are
allowed to put in extra cockpit air vents other than those that come
with the kit.
Boyd Braem
Keith Hughes wrote:
>
>
> One decision that I have been going back and forth on, is the canopy
> jettison for the -6 tip up. While I think that the circumstances that would
> lead me to jettisoning the thing in the air are almost non-existent, there
> is an argument to be made about using it to remove the canopy on the ground.
> However, how often (really) am I going to be removing the thing, and would
> it really be that bad to have to reach up and remove two bolts. If it's not
> a big deal, I really don't want that thing on my panel for a few reasons.
>
> Could those of you that have been through this weigh in and let me know what
> you've found through experience or what has run through your mind in making
> your decision.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith Hughes
> RV-6 finish
> Parker, CO
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randall Henderson" <randallh(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tank 405 attach angle ??? |
> Because the nose of the rib is rounded a bit, should I contour
> the angle some to fit up to the rib better or force the rib to fit
> the flat back-side of the angle?
Definitely round off the angle to fit the rib.
>Also, Where can I find the measurements for the slot
> cut-out?
Don't know that one. As I recall I just slotted it a little bigger than the
bolt.
Randall Handerson, RV-6 N6R (~200 hrs)
Portland, OR
www.vanshomewing.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <tcwatson(at)seanet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tank 405 attach angle ??? |
Jack,
I remember contouring the 405 attach angle quite a bit. As for the slot,
Van's sells a little kit of parts for about $3 that includes the drawing.
It was also published in an issue of RVAtor. The kit includes instructions
for the slot, but when I called Van's for a clarification, they told me to
ignore the instructions and do it another way. I guess it depends on who
you talk to.
Terry
RV-8A fuselage floors & flaps
Seattle
RV-List message posted by: "Jack Textor"
> Yet another tank question! Because
> the nose of the rib is rounded a bit, should I contour the angle some to
> fit up to the rib better or force the rib to fit the flat back-side of
> the angle? Also, Where can I find the measurements for the slot
> cut-out?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BSEckstein(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: Micromonitor oil temp probe location |
In a message dated 6/2/01 1:52:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
svanarts(at)unionsafe.com writes:
> was wondering if some of the micromonitor users out there can tell me
> where they located their oil temperature probe? I need to find out what
> plug I need.
>
On the back of the engine in about the middle is a threaded hole on the top
of the accessory case. The hole goes straight down (vertical) into an oil
passage. George Orndorf sells a plug that works perfectly for the RMI temp
probe.
Brian Eckstein
6A Flying
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John" <fasching(at)amigo.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: Rv6 Canopy Release |
----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <fasching(at)amigo.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 2:56 PM
Subject: Rv6 Canopy Release
> I made this decision 6 years ago. The only thing the "T" handle release is
> good for is to release it either:
>
> 1. In flight...are you going to jump out? Do you use a chute? Is it
> going to hit
> the tail and cause a REAL problem? Will a panic stricken passenger
> pull the darn thing for you? Could happen.
>
> 2. On the ground when:
> a. You crashed and the aircraft is upside down..."T"
handle
> won't help you then,
> b. You want to do maintenance...then reach up and remove
the
> two bolts.
>
> I could find nothing positive about the "T" handle release, and lots of
> negatives. In 6 years I have never had the need to remove the canopy at
any
> rate.
>
> FWIW John RV6A Flying, Salida, CO
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Glenn & Judi" <foxinsocks(at)mediaone.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Rv6 Canopy Release |
I used some locking pins in place of the T handle. They have a pushbutton
to release them (from under the top skin behind the sub panel). I also have
them safety wired in place. To take my canopy off for work is not a lot
easier than having to manipulate a couple of wrenched while lying on the
cockpit floor. I got the pins from McMaster Carr Supply. Part#92384A014.
The 014 suffix on the part # denotes pin grip lenth. Double check the size
you need for ordering. You can see a picture of the pin by going to
http://www.mcmaster.com/ and then enter 92384A014 in the "Products, Find"
box on the left. Once you locate it, hit the Find Catalog Page button for a
picture (Item B) and the part codes for vaious grip lengths.
-Glenn Gordon
N442E reserved
----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <fasching(at)amigo.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 3:58 PM
Subject: RV-List: Fw: Rv6 Canopy Release
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John" <fasching(at)amigo.net>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 2:56 PM
> Subject: Rv6 Canopy Release
>
>
> > I made this decision 6 years ago. The only thing the "T" handle release
is
> > good for is to release it either:
> >
> > 1. In flight...are you going to jump out? Do you use a chute? Is it
> > going to hit
> > the tail and cause a REAL problem? Will a panic stricken
passenger
> > pull the darn thing for you? Could happen.
> >
> > 2. On the ground when:
> > a. You crashed and the aircraft is upside down..."T"
> handle
> > won't help you then,
> > b. You want to do maintenance...then reach up and remove
> the
> > two bolts.
> >
> > I could find nothing positive about the "T" handle release, and lots of
> > negatives. In 6 years I have never had the need to remove the canopy at
> any
> > rate.
> >
> > FWIW John RV6A Flying, Salida, CO
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Schlosser" <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Models of RV Aircraft (Was Models) |
Try This...
http://propellerhead.rcplanet.com/gp_rv-4.jpg
The list messed up the address by truncating it.
----- Original Message -----
From: AV8TURDON(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Models of RV Aircraft (Was Models)
I scanned that link and it is wrong. It for creating a web page.
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| From: | windsaloft(at)rmisp.com (Terri Watson) |
| Subject: | great advice I got when I started building |
You wrote:
I am finally ready to purchase and proceed with building an RV-8. I am wondering
if I have the skills. How many of you have done this before? I am mechanically
inclined but have never worked with rivets etc. Is this a skill easily learned.
Reply:
Yes the skills are easily learned --- and you'll spend the whole kit
learning them, I suspect!
I wanted to do this for years (build an RV). Figured -- no time, money,
skills, tools, other excuses. Two local friends and builders just kept, oh,
taking me for rides, talking with me about it. Finally decided to do a
couple of intermediate steps --- made a trip to visit Van's, see the
factory, see the kit pieces on the shelves, see the QB fuselages on the
shelves --- walking
around, it was very apparent that it is just a bunch of pieces ( a LOT!)
that get stuck together --- to quote a contractor friend of mine ---
building is 10 % inspiration and creativity, and the balance is tedious
repetition and attention to detail. It looked more do-able than before I
went. While out there, went to Henry Gorgas' weekend skills seminar on
basic RV-building metal skills you need to get going. It changed me from a
"can
I?" to an "I can!" --- I definitely could learn in two days the skills to at
least get started. The skills are not hard to learn --- it takes a bit of
practice to get good, but not too much. I suspect that when I am done with
this project, I'll know enough to start.
Now, I'm chugging slowly along. Second best advice I got was "JUST START."
Quit trying to collect all the tools, learn the skills, get everything in
the shop just
right ----- Just start. When you hit work stoppage b/c you don't have a
tool or don't know what to do, spend the energy solving it. Get the tool.
Ask a question to Van's, search the archives of this list, ask the question.
Each little hurdle you overcome reinforces that it is actually not that
hard. And, you make progress while you learn. One step at a time. To
quote someone on this list -- you are NOT building an airplane. You are
building the forward spar of the horizontal stabilizer. Keeps it
manageable. The empennage seems to be purposefully the first kit b/c it is
pretty easy and introduces all kinds of fun concepts -- jigs, rivets,
torquing bolts, etc. You learn a lot in a relatively error-forgiving
environment (yes, I have started a couple things over already!).
I don't have tons of expertise to add to this list, but as a novice,
non-builder, average mechanical ability, never done anything like this
person, I can tell you that now that I am underway, the confidence and
excitement just keeps building. DO IT!
Terri Watson
Lander, Wyoming
RV-6 to 7 empennage, playing with jigs.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AV8TURDON(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Models of RV Aircraft (Was Models) |
In a message dated 6/2/01 2:46:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kevinschlosser(at)msn.com writes:
> http://propellerhead.rcplanet.com/gp_rv-4.jpg
>
>
Thanks,
I'll get one for sure I fly R/C also. If they don't make a six I'll
scale up a fuselage and cut out my own and make the cowl out fiberglass.
SInce the wing is the same it will be easy to scale a fuselage from our plans.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jim jewell" <jjewell(at)okanagan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: P&W Canada PT-6A on RV-8A |
Hello Richard,
I took a brief look at Turbine power in RVs early on in my project and found
that the GPH fuel burn for any turbine that I could find that might fit
would limit range too much. to add enough fuel to regain the range would
mean added fuel/weight in the wings or another tank forward in the fuse.
After looking at the re-design problems I decided that adding fuel capacity
and the long nose to cope with weight and balance represented enough design
work to just start from scratch.
Of course now that I've said this someone is busy doing it or will get the
job done.
I do know someone that has a surplus Bell helicopter power plant that puts
out plenty of power. He had two, the other unit was put into A Beade 5 and
flew very well just using the turbine's thrust without the gear reduction.
It can fly at about 280 to 300 MPH. He considered installing the second unit
using the gearbox. He felt that the shaft output would allow very short take
offs and near vertical flight.
The BD5-J was sold to someone in California last year.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Lundin <rlundin46(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: P&W Canada PT-6A on RV-8A
>
> I did a little research on the Turbine/prop option and
> there doesn't seem to be a good answer in off the
> shelf products. I was looking for 200-250 shp. There
> is a T-63 turbine near that with an ok price but no
> gearbox is available. If you find a good combo make
> sure you post it.
> Rick
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| From: | Pem Walton <pemster(at)usa.net> |
| Subject: | Wing Tip AAntennas |
Hi All
I am looking for the link to the plans for the wing tip antennas in RV's.
Want to build a pair and I can't remember where I saw the plans.
Thanks a bunch
Pem Walton
RV7A
Ordering the Empennage kit soon
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| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | RV builders in KY |
Are there any RV builders out there in or around Kentucky?
Al Grajek
Lexington, KY 859-296-0244
algrajek(at)msn.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Schlosser
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Models of RV Aircraft (Was Models)
Try This...
http://propellerhead.rcplanet.com/gp_rv-4.jpg
The list messed up the address by truncating it.
----- Original Message -----
From: AV8TURDON(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Models of RV Aircraft (Was Models)
I scanned that link and it is wrong. It for creating a web page.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: c/s prop techniques |
jim
i forgot about the lycoming flyer, it was in my truck and i didn't take it
out to show you. oops, anyway, thanks for having us experience another
successful engine hanging.
scott
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: great advice I got when I started building |
Terri.
Thanks so much for th encouragment. I can't wait to get started. I may try to visit
the factory. Good Idea! Did you find the jigs hard to build, or are the instructions
pretty straight forward? Thanks again. Al Grajek
----- Original Message -----
From: windsaloft(at)rmisp.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 6:34 PM
Subject: RV-List: great advice I got when I started building
You wrote:
I am finally ready to purchase and proceed with building an RV-8. I am wo
ndering if I have the skills. How many of you have done this before? I am
mechanically inclined but have never worked with rivets etc. Is this a s
kill easily learned.
Reply:
Yes the skills are easily learned --- and you'll spend the whole kit
learning them, I suspect!
I wanted to do this for years (build an RV). Figured -- no time, money,
skills, tools, other excuses. Two local friends and builders just kept,
oh,
taking me for rides, talking with me about it. Finally decided to do a
couple of intermediate steps --- made a trip to visit Van's, see the
factory, see the kit pieces on the shelves, see the QB fuselages on the
shelves --- walking
around, it was very apparent that it is just a bunch of pieces ( a LOT!)
that get stuck together --- to quote a contractor friend of mine ---
building is 10 % inspiration and creativity, and the balance is tedious
repetition and attention to detail. It looked more do-able than before I
went. While out there, went to Henry Gorgas' weekend skills seminar on
basic RV-building metal skills you need to get going. It changed me from a
"can
I?" to an "I can!" --- I definitely could learn in two days the skills to at
least get started. The skills are not hard to learn --- it takes a bit of
practice to get good, but not too much. I suspect that when I am done with
this project, I'll know enough to start.
Now, I'm chugging slowly along. Second best advice I got was "JUST START."
Quit trying to collect all the tools, learn the skills, get everything in
the shop just
right ----- Just start. When you hit work stoppage b/c you don't have a
tool or don't know what to do, spend the energy solving it. Get the tool.
Ask a question to Van's, search the archives of this list, ask the question.
Each little hurdle you overcome reinforces that it is actually not that
hard. And, you make progress while you learn. One step at a time. To
quote someone on this list -- you are NOT building an airplane. You are
building the forward spar of the horizontal stabilizer. Keeps it
manageable. The empennage seems to be purposefully the first kit b/c it
is
pretty easy and introduces all kinds of fun concepts -- jigs, rivets,
torquing bolts, etc. You learn a lot in a relatively error-forgiving
environment (yes, I have started a couple things over already!).
I don't have tons of expertise to add to this list, but as a novice,
non-builder, average mechanical ability, never done anything like this
person, I can tell you that now that I am underway, the confidence and
excitement just keeps building. DO IT!
Terri Watson
Lander, Wyoming
RV-6 to 7 empennage, playing with jigs.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Wanted: Used tools |
I am looking for used tools, and construcion videos.
algrajek(at)msn.com
859-296-0244
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Schlosser
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Models of RV Aircraft (Was Models)
Try This...
http://propellerhead.rcplanet.com/gp_rv-4.jpg
The list messed up the address by truncating it.
----- Original Message -----
From: AV8TURDON(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Models of RV Aircraft (Was Models)
I scanned that link and it is wrong. It for creating a web page.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Schlosser" <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Builder profile |
Laughing my empennage off :-).
The explanations are always worse than the expenditures!
----- Original Message -----
From: Jones, Bryan D.
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:23 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Builder profile
go.com
[SNIP]
My wife thought my empennage kit was just another giant scale kit for
several weeks, at least... after that, the explanations got more tricky.
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| From: | "Larry Pardue" <n5lp(at)carlsbad.net> |
Listers:
Well I'm back from Cougar Landing and no one has said anything about it yet.
I went to Cougar Landing last year and had a nice time. Well I did get
stuck in mud and had to do some scud running, but it was a nice lunch with
good people and maybe 8 or so RV's.
Doug Reeves decided to promote the fly-in this year and it sort of looked
like it was going to outgrow Cougar Landing airstrip so it was decided to
move it to Scott Field, near Waco. Well it grew alright! There were over
100 airplanes and 85 RV's that showed up. I have no idea how many cars.
I have never seen anything like this before. When I arrived it was a
furball of RV's, sorting it all out and making it work. This many airplanes
coming into a 1900 foot strip that has tall trees on both ends is a bit
different than the traffic into a big airport. As airplanes would land they
would quickly be parked among the trees.
This was so much nicer than being parked in rows on asphalt. Airplanes were
tucked here and there and there was lots of shade. The house has a pool and
a beautiful garden; it did make me want to stay.
"Check Six" Mark said some of the QB Rockets are now flying. The RV-7
looked fine, the best of any of the Van's demonstrators, with even a touch
of purple in the paint job like some other fine looking RV's and a nicely
equipped panel. This airplane also has beautiful fuselage seams. If that
is how total prepunching works, I like it.
There was lots of barbeque, dessert, and iced tea for all.
After lunch the departures and formation fly-bys started happening. An
ad-hoc tower, on sort of a scaffold, about 2/3 of the distance down the
runway, helped sort things out, as gaggles back taxied together, then
departed in sequence.
Folks; lots of RVing happened. Talking with old friends, showing off,
inspecting brochures, eating, meeting new friends, getting inspired, asking
questions, critiqueing landings.
Pretty nice fly-in.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
Folks,
I've got some pictures that I'm willing to send to Doug Reeves to post -
(Doug gets to see this twice!).
Had a great time - in spite of having to drive in.
I did steal some ideas.
Thanks to our gracious hosts!
Alane & Ralph Capen
RV6A N822AR (Reserved)
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| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Tank 405 attach angle ??? |
>
>Yet another tank question! Thanks in advance for some help. Because
>the nose of the rib is rounded a bit, should I contour the angle some to
>fit up to the rib better or force the rib to fit the flat back-side of
>the angle? Also, Where can I find the measurements for the slot
>cut-out? Thanks again!
>Jack in DSM
>rv8, tanks
>
Jack,
The slot dimensions are on DWG 43, r2, near the top left.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (mounting wings)
Ottawa, Canada
http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/rv8.html
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| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: c/s prop techniques |
>
>jim
>i forgot about the lycoming flyer, it was in my truck and i didn't take it
>out to show you. oops, anyway, thanks for having us experience another
>successful engine hanging.
>scott
>
There is a long list of Lycoming articles available on their web
site. Is this the same info that is in the Lycoming Flyer? See:
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/support/publications/index.html
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (mounting wings)
Ottawa, Canada
http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/rv8.html
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| From: | "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com> |
I left the canopy jettison feature in my tip up, even though I don't think
it would work in flight. I thought it would be good to pull the handle just
before making an off field landing. It might make it easier to get out of a
bent up airframe if both the canopy jettison handle had been pulled and the
canopy release had been unlatched before touchdown.
Steve Soule
Huntington, Vermont
-----Original Message-----
One decision that I have been going back and forth on, is the canopy
jettison for the -6 tip up. While I think that the circumstances that would
lead me to jettisoning the thing in the air are almost non-existent, there
is an argument to be made about using it to remove the canopy on the ground.
However, how often (really) am I going to be removing the thing, and would
it really be that bad to have to reach up and remove two bolts. If it's not
a big deal, I really don't want that thing on my panel for a few reasons.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com> |
| Subject: | great advice I got when I started building |
Hey Terri,
The best advise I got and can give is to do something on your airplane
project every day. It doesn't matter what, just keep moving.
Steve Soule
-----Original Message-----
Now, I'm chugging slowly along. Second best advice I got was "JUST START."
Quit trying to collect all the tools, learn the skills, get everything in
the shop just
right ----- Just start.
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| From: | "Rick Jory" <rickjory(at)email.msn.com> |
Anyone out there ex-military that might have six square inches of both
parts of velcro that go on std. military flight suits? If so, please
contact me off list.
rickjory(at)msn.com
Thanks.
Rick Jory, Highlands Ranch, CO RV8A
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| From: | Ian Jessen <ianbear99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | electric flap control |
i'm dreaming of building an RV-7, and to keep my mind
occupied until i can finally start, ive been planning
out systems. for the flaps, i'm interested in using a
four position (up, 15, 30, 45) preselect switch,
problem is, i have no idea how to wire it. i know
some people have a problem with the extra "weight" (it
cant be more than a few ounces, can it?) and
complexity of a flap preselect, but i have my mind set
on it. does anyone know how to wire a reliable system
that has only one switch?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Calvert" <rv6bldr(at)home.com> |
I also made it to the Cougar Landing fly-in and if you have RV-itis...this
was the place to be! I saw quite a few of the guys who are on the RV-List.
It's great to be able to finally put a face to the names. Talked to Bernie
Kerr from Florida. He stopped in on his way to Alaska. He came in Friday
night and snuck a dip in the nice pool behind Phil's house and set up camp
in his tent. Now that's RVing! Bernie has a fantastic 6A. He's using the
Control Vision GPS software with the Compaq Ipaq PC and says he really likes
it. Saw Larry Pardue's 6..which is another nice one. Didn't catch up with
him, but did see him takeoff to head back home. Talked to Mike Thompson who
is building a -6. He has just hung his engine and is working on the panel.
Met Bryan Jones and his dad(who is building a RV9). Bryan did a super job
on his -8..even painted it himself. Terry Cole had his plane busy giving
rides. The RV7 and Tom Green were there. It is definately a beauty and
there were people around and in it all day. I talked to a couple who are
building their RV7 empennage. Their RV7 QB is due to arrive in the near
future. There were a couple of different groups of formation flying RV's.
Must have been around 8 RV's in very close formation. And of course, got to
meet Doug Reeves. He was there with his family...very good people. He
took a lot of pictures and mentioned they would be on his web site soon. I
honestly believe the high turnout was impacted by Doug's efforts in regards
to promoting Cougar Landing on his web site. Thanks Doug!
Scott Field is quite interesting. It's a private grass strip about 1900
feet with about 1700 feet usable so there were a few go-arounds, but not too
many. Spectators lined both sides of the runway and watched the planes
coming and going. As Larry Pardue posted earlier, TREES everwhere! There
was an RG Sklane that took off fairly loaded and his gear was going up as
he barely cleared the trees. I did hear a few applauds on that one. The
strip is actually cut out in a very large patch of Mesquite trees. Plenty
of shade and the RV's(close to 100) were nested among the trees.
There was a lot of fine people, plenty of Barbeque, and plenty of Texas
heat...but the shade made a big difference. Put this fly in on your list
for next year..it's a good one!
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
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| From: | "Daniel Estrada F." <dani_estrada(at)infosel.net.mx> |
| Subject: | Looking for a GPS |
Hi...
Is there someone selling a Garmin 195 GPS...
Thanks
Daniel EStrada
Mexico City
RV7A emp.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Shook" <billshook(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Flap hanging difficulties |
Ok, I seem to have lost my mind. In theory, if the flap and aileron
trailing edges are to line up and the shape of the airfoil is to be uniform
front to back, does the flap and aileron not need to be the same thickness?
It would appear that the aileron and flap are not the same thickness,
therefore the bottom of the flap will extend below that of the bottom of the
aileron. Does this make sense? I've looked at it for long enough now, that
I'm pretty sure it seems screwy.
Also, in order to insure the top skin of the flap stays in line with the top
skin of the wing, it seems as though I have to put a decent amount of
pressure on the flap brace, forcing the rear skin and flap hinge downward.
Is that how it is supposed to be? I guess I better stop for the night, I'm
getting pretty frustrated. Advice would be greatly appreciated.
Bill
-4 wings
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a GPS |
daneil
check ebay.com, type in garmin in the search area, there are many there.
scott
tampa
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bobby Hester <bhester(at)apex.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV builders in KY |
Al Grajek wrote:
>
> Are there any RV builders out there in or around Kentucky?
> Al Grajek
> Lexington, KY 859-296-0244
> algrajek(at)msn.com
I just ordered my RV7A empannage :-)
--
Surfing the Web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/
And see my Rans S12xl experimental aircraft - Awaiting RV7A empannage :-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill VonDane" <n8vd(at)earthlink.net> |
"Rv-List(at)Matronics.Com"
| Subject: | Cougar Landing Annual Central Texas RV Fly-In Pictures... |
Hi all...
Steve Adams sent me some pix from the Cougar Landing Annual Central Texas RV
Fly-In, so I posted them for all to see... I can post more if anyone has
them, and then I am sure once Doug is free to do so, he will post them on
the VAFWWW website...
See the pix here: http://vondane.tripod.com/cougar_landing/index.htm
Bill VonDane, Colorado Springs, CO
RV-8A, N8VD, Plumbing
http://vondane.com/rv8a/
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I would like to take time to thank the hosts Mide Anderson and Phil
Grisham for for all the work that went into making Cougar Landing a big
sucess. Thank you Mike and Phil. Also would like to thank Van's aircraft
and Tom Green for their time and expertise for taking a big interest in RV
flyers and builders. Thank you Doug Reeves for the work in promoting this
GREAT get together. Just wait until next year.
Hope everyone in attendence had as good a time as I did. Try and do
somethin on the plane every day and it will soon be in the air.There are a
lot of little things to do and if you just keep going and stay motivated, it
won't take long and you will be flying. If you need motivation contact of
list, I'll tell you some stories of people that helped keep me going. Terrry
E. Cole N468TC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill VonDane" <n8vd(at)earthlink.net> |
"Rv-List(at)Matronics.Com"
| Subject: | Oil Pump AD Madness! |
Any body out there willing to help me determine if the all the oil pump AD
stuff has been done to my engine? I am starting to get a headache looking
through this stuff...
Thanks in advance...
Bill VonDane, Colorado Springs, CO
RV-8A, N8VD, Plumbing
http://vondane.com/rv8a/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Roy Glass <rlglass(at)alaska.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy Jettison |
One needs at least about half the mechanism because you won't be able to
reach the two bolts once the top skin is on. There are many ways of
finishing the second half.
roy glass, t/u canopy cut, now looking for excuses not to drill
Keith Hughes wrote:
>
>
> One decision that I have been going back and forth on, is the canopy
> jettison for the -6 tip up. While I think that the circumstances that would
> lead me to jettisoning the thing in the air are almost non-existent, there
> is an argument to be made about using it to remove the canopy on the ground.
> However, how often (really) am I going to be removing the thing, and would
> it really be that bad to have to reach up and remove two bolts. If it's not
> a big deal, I really don't want that thing on my panel for a few reasons.
>
> Could those of you that have been through this weigh in and let me know what
> you've found through experience or what has run through your mind in making
> your decision.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith Hughes
> RV-6 finish
> Parker, CO
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Lyc. Fuel Pump Gasket |
| From: | "Denis (Bum) Walsh" <deniswalsh(at)earthlink.net> |
on 6/2/01 5:06, RVer273sb(at)aol.com at RVer273sb(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Make sure you get the pump push rod properly
> located on the pump arm!
> Stewart RV4 N273SB
> Hey Stew,
did you goet the mystery solved Yet??
Inquiring minds wnat to know.
I still don't have a clue (other than the last hint on sucking air).
I am still operatign on a hand held radio. F--ng maintenance people.
Denis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson(at)usjet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap hanging difficulties |
> Also, in order to insure the top skin of the flap stays in line with the
top
> skin of the wing, it seems as though I have to put a decent amount of
> pressure on the flap brace, forcing the rear skin and flap hinge downward.
> Is that how it is supposed to be? I guess I better stop for the night,
I'm
> getting pretty frustrated. Advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Bill
> -4 wings
This problem seems to persist on the 4's and 6's. The cause seems to be
that the vertical height of the rear spar is not enough. I put the
deflection in the bottom skin, and kept the top skin following the contour
of the airfoil. The end result is that the bottom skin departs upward from
the airfoil right at the rear spar, then comes back down at the flap hinge
line. Use your airfoil templates. Look at completed RV's, most have this
problem.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
6A
------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------
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| From: | Ted <blunist(at)flash.net> |
I will give my RV6 Fuselage Jig to the first builder who picks it up. This is
a really nice jig.
Ted Gauthier
Pontiac, Michigan
blunist(at)flash.net
1-248-681-8184 hm
1-248-400-6237 pager
1-248-249-1780 cell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Norman, MD" <jnorman(at)InterMapSystems.com> |
| Subject: | Free wood crate for Lycoming |
Free to anybody who comes to get it.
A very nice, very sturdy crate for a Lycoming. Completely enclosed wood top
put together with secrews and braces, the bottom is a pallet made of 2x4s
and 2x6s, steel mounts to secure engine to pallet. All mounting bolts &
hardware. Will fit O-320, O-360 angle valve and parallel valve models.
Located in Tampa FL.
Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John & Teresa Huft" <widgeon92L(at)email.msn.com> |
I spent a while this morning trying to post some pictures Rick Jory sent of
his seats, on my website at homestead. Even though I have done this many
times before, it has suddenly quit working. This got me to thinking (always
dangerous).
What if Microsoft built our airplanes? We would be flying along, and
suddenly something would quit working. Like, say, the ailerons. We would
have to land, shut down, everyone get out, tie the airplane down, and walk
away. Then, we could go back, untie the airplane, get in, start up, take
off, and everything would work fine!
What a concept!
John
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| Subject: | Tail wheel product. |
A few weeks ago a builder from Canada offered a tail wheel steering device
for sale that replace the springs and chains. I have lost his name and
e-mail address. Can anyone help?
Thanks Ray Grenier
RV-4 the endless last 90%
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming Manual |
In a message dated 6/2/01 7:46:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dbentley(at)fuse.net
writes:
<< I called Builder's Bookstore and
they have the OH Manual reprint. When I asked about the Parts Catalog,
PC-106, they responded with "oh, you mean PC -306-1. I went into the
Lycoming web page and found the PC-106 is for "Std cyl flange" and the
306-1 is the "Wide flange".
I have an 0-360-A1A built in December 2000. How do I find out if it is
"Std" or "Wide"? >>
Correctamundo. I did some research. The Skyranch Engineering manual says
that if your engine S/N ends with an "A" then it is of the Wide Deck/Flange
type. So I guess that I need to get the PC-306-1 Manual too. I bought it
thru Chief Aircraft and their catalog listing did not differentiate between
wide and standard flange (wide and narrow deck). Anyone need a good manual
for the narrow deck?
-GV (RV-6A N1GV)
vanremog(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Brick" <jbrick(at)wolfenet.com> |
| Subject: | Flap hanging difficulties |
I put the flap hinge between the flap brace and the bottom skin. I think the
plans showed the hinge on top of the flap brace. I suppose you could bend
the hinge eyes to adjust the vertical location...I didn't.
jb
RV-4 fairings
Graham, WA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alex Peterson
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Flap hanging difficulties
> Also, in order to insure the top skin of the flap stays in line with the
top
> skin of the wing, it seems as though I have to put a decent amount of
> pressure on the flap brace, forcing the rear skin and flap hinge downward.
> Is that how it is supposed to be? I guess I better stop for the night,
I'm
> getting pretty frustrated. Advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Bill
> -4 wings
This problem seems to persist on the 4's and 6's. The cause seems to be
that the vertical height of the rear spar is not enough. I put the
deflection in the bottom skin, and kept the top skin following the contour
of the airfoil. The end result is that the bottom skin departs upward from
the airfoil right at the rear spar, then comes back down at the flap hinge
line. Use your airfoil templates. Look at completed RV's, most have this
problem.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
6A
------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------
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| From: | "Jack Textor" <pincjt(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Anti-rotation bracket |
Hello again,
Van's specifies .125 x 1" x 1" angle for the bracket. May I use
hardware store variety angle? Once again this weekend, THANKS!
Jack
DSM
tanks, tanks, tanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Schlosser" <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: electric flap control |
I've been thinking about similar setups. It can be done with a home-grown circuit
with one of the linear servo position transducers that hooks up to the trim
servos feeding back position information to a PIC microcontroller programmed
to move the flap to a preset position based on which pair of contacts on a rotary
switch are closed. I'm messing around with the idea and can't decide whether
to do it this way or just have my flap deployment switch on my stick set
for momentary on-off-on to manually deploy the flaps at whatever angle I want
with the same sensor feeding a simple led bar graph display for visual confirmation
of position. Since I haven't flown an RV yet, I won't know what positions
are needed yet. I'd probably fly it for a while, develop my habits, and add
the controller later.
Here's the position indicators and transducers I'm looking at...
http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/indsens.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Jessen
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:48 PM
Subject: RV-List: electric flap control
i'm dreaming of building an RV-7, and to keep my mind
occupied until i can finally start, ive been planning
out systems. for the flaps, i'm interested in using a
four position (up, 15, 30, 45) preselect switch,
problem is, i have no idea how to wire it. i know
some people have a problem with the extra "weight" (it
cant be more than a few ounces, can it?) and
complexity of a flap preselect, but i have my mind set
on it. does anyone know how to wire a reliable system
that has only one switch?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Schlosser" <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Free Fuse Jig |
How's it made?
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 8:16 AM
Subject: RV-List: Free Fuse Jig
I will give my RV6 Fuselage Jig to the first builder who picks it up. This is
a really nice jig.
Ted Gauthier
Pontiac, Michigan
blunist(at)flash.net
1-248-681-8184 hm
1-248-400-6237 pager
1-248-249-1780 cell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel product. |
Try this.
http://www.iwantarocket.com/
Mike Nellis
Plainfield, IL
RV6 N699BM (res) Building Flaps
Stinson 108-2 N9666K
----- Original Message -----
From: <GRENIER(at)aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 9:30 AM
Subject: RV-List: Tail wheel product.
>
> A few weeks ago a builder from Canada offered a tail wheel steering device
> for sale that replace the springs and chains. I have lost his name and
> e-mail address. Can anyone help?
> Thanks Ray Grenier
> RV-4 the endless last 90%
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JVanLaak(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: electric flap control |
My two cents:
Deploying flaps incrementally is usually done for one of a few good reasons:
1. Because they introduce a great deal of drag that my not be appropriate
for all circumstances, especially if they will complicate a go around.
2. Because they introduce a significant trim change that needs to be
controlled with trim movement or by slowing down and which likewise could
complicate a go around.
3. Because they can then be deployed across a larger speed range, usually to
aid in slowing down.
SInce the RV flaps are not big drag devices and the planes have lots of power
to overcome the drag on a go around, and since there is little trim change
from flap deployment at least in the 3 planes I have owned (RV3, 4, and my
current 6) that is easily controlled regardless of the flap position or power
level, I would not put the circuit in from a functional point of view. I
occassionally put out "two potatoes" worth of flaps slightly above the flap
speed to help slow down the last few mph when I get behind in the pattern,
but that does not require complicated circuitry to control.
Of course, if it is fun for you to design and install, have at it, since the
weight is low. But from my point of view I really like the simplicity of the
RV series and like to keep things simple and reliable so I can fly when I
want to, not spend my time fixing things.
One thing about switches on the stick. There is an old tradition in aircraft
design to segregate switches that can do bad things so that they are not
easily activated accidentally. That is why fighters usually have pickle
switches and gun triggers on the stick and intercom push to talk, transmit
buttons and speedbrakes on the throttles. There is a delightful little
switch on my stick grip right under my thumb that would be fine for deploying
the flaps, except I might absentmindedly play with it or bump it at cruise or
during aerobatics, and deploying the flaps at twice their design operating
speed would be a bad idea. So I left the flap control on the panel where I
have to reach for it.
Jim
N1KJ RV6
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Are Barstad" <abarstad(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Anti-rotation bracket |
Jack,
I cut out the anti-rotation brackets from angle stock that came with the
wing kit. It is meant to be used to make the FL-406A flap angle. *From what
I can see*, there's enough for 2 anti-rotation brackets plus both flap
angles. This is also the correct thickness (1/8").
This angle stock is listed in the parts list as: AA6-125X1 1/2X2X10
Hope this helps,
Are
RV-8 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jack Textor
Sent: June 4, 2001 3:28 PM
Subject: RV-List: Anti-rotation bracket
Hello again,
Van's specifies .125 x 1" x 1" angle for the bracket. May I use
hardware store variety angle? Once again this weekend, THANKS!
Jack
DSM
tanks, tanks, tanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jdnewsum" <jdnewsum(at)qwest.net> |
| Subject: | electric flap control |
Ian
Take a look at the flap control circuit that Ted French used in his RV6. I
listed the URL for his builder site below.
Dave
http://www3.telus.net/elfrench/aircraft.html
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ian Jessen
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 6:08 PM
Subject: RV-List: electric flap control
i'm dreaming of building an RV-7, and to keep my mind
occupied until i can finally start, ive been planning
out systems. for the flaps, i'm interested in using a
four position (up, 15, 30, 45) preselect switch,
problem is, i have no idea how to wire it. i know
some people have a problem with the extra "weight" (it
cant be more than a few ounces, can it?) and
complexity of a flap preselect, but i have my mind set
on it. does anyone know how to wire a reliable system
that has only one switch?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Cougar Landing Thank You From Doug R. |
Thread-Topic: Cougar Landing Thank You From Doug R.
Thread-Index: AcDsXK/Im70b1CQsTe2diIySFXzhCQ=
| From: | "Reeves, Doug" <Douglas.Reeves(at)archongroup.com> |
Hi everybody,
I just got back to Dallas from Waco. I picked up Tom Green at his hotel
at 7:30am this morning (Sunday) and he was airborne in the RV-7 headed
for Oregon at 7:55am. He was one of the first ten to arrive on Saturday
morning and the absolute last to leave.
I took 158 pictures and will be loading them up in the next 24-48 hours
(on my work lunch hour) with a well thought out thank you paragraph.
Over 50 of them are panel shots.
Mike Anderson, Bonnie (his wife), Tom Green and I spent Saturday night
at dinner talking over ways to make next year's event even better
(published arrival procedures, etc.).
I'm going to spend the rest of the day doing whatever my wife says, as
she spent the weekend juggling the kids so I could play airplane.
Proper thank you in the works to all those involved. There were too
many to count. Stay tuned.
Best regards,
Doug Reeves
Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
http://www.vansaircraft.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ripsteel(at)edge.net (Mark Phillips) |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-rotation bracket |
Jack-
Take a piece of .040 about an inch wide and about 4" long, drill a hole
in one end for the pickup tube fitting where it passes through the end
rib- this serves as the "spacer" you have to put under the fitting
anyway. Arrange it so it hangs down from the fitting, bend the bottom
end out at a right angle and make the "fork" to fit the fuel tube for
anti-rotate. Make the bend far enough away from the fitting so you can
remove the tube if necessary during fitting, although I prosealed the
outside of the tubing nut and fitting to the rib before final tank
closing. One 426-3 rivet in the middle will hold it in place along with
the fitting nut (don't forget to seal this too) . I can send a photo if
you like.
From the PossumWorks in TN
Mark Phillips - fussing with fuselage, (now obsolete!) -6A
Jack Textor wrote:
>
> Hello again,
> Van's specifies .125 x 1" x 1" angle for the bracket. May I use
> hardware store variety angle? Once again this weekend, THANKS!
> Jack
> DSM
> tanks, tanks, tanks
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dean <dweb5(at)adams.net> |
unsubscribe dweb5(at)adams.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RVer273sb(at)aol.com |
Listers,
My fuel pressure problem is alive and well. I have tried everything I can
think to do.
I have pressure and vaccumm leaked checked all lines,fittings and components.
Twice that is. Saturday I completely tore down the boost pump assbly, check
and press relief valves. Inspected, assembled andpressure checked the assbly.
Every thing works as it is supposed to.I also left the B/pump assbly out and
directly hooked up the eng pump to the fuel line from the fuel selector, It
took some time to get the eng started but it ran well, good pressure ect. The
only thing is I didn't dare fly it that way, without a boost pump! This
pressure fluctuation has rarely reared its ugly head on the ground.
I have proved that the boost pump and the eng pump operate correctly on the
ground.
So I do not have a vent or fuel line problem.
Next course of action? Try a new eng pump in flight.
Stewart RV4 CO. N273SB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Thomas Velvick <tomvelvick(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Free wood crate for Lycoming |
Would you ship it to me if I pay shipping?
Regards,
Tom Velvick
Peoria, AZ
623-979-2519
>Free to anybody who comes to get it.
>
>A very nice, very sturdy crate for a Lycoming. Completely enclosed wood top
>put together with secrews and braces, the bottom is a pallet made of 2x4s
>and 2x6s, steel mounts to secure engine to pallet. All mounting bolts &
>hardware. Will fit O-320, O-360 angle valve and parallel valve models.
>
>Located in Tampa FL.
>
>Jim
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel pressure pump failure list |
Stewart--
I don't know if this applies to you but there is a FAA Special
Airworthiness Information Bulletin, reffering to Lycoming's Service
Bulletin SB #548 concerning Lycoming fuel pumps for the pumps LW-15472,
15473 and 16335, due to internal failure of the pumps produced between
9/18/2000 and 2/8/2001, inclusive. The sequence of numbers is:
1. the Lycoming p/n
2. the date code
3. if the suffix "A" appears (at the end of the numbers inscribed on the
pump mounting flange) the pump has supoosedly already been repaired by
the manufacturer.
Pumps affected contain the date codes: 3900, 4000, 4100, 4200, 4300,
4400, 4500, 4600, 4700, 4800, 4900, 5000, 5100, 5200, 0101, 0201, 0301,
and 0401.
Contact Lycoming at 1.570.323.6181.
Boyd Braem
Rv-Super 6
RVer273sb(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Listers,
> My fuel pressure problem is alive and well. I have tried everything I can
> think to do.
> I have pressure and vaccumm leaked checked all lines,fittings and components.
> Twice that is. Saturday I completely tore down the boost pump assbly, check
> and press relief valves. Inspected, assembled andpressure checked the assbly.
> Every thing works as it is supposed to.I also left the B/pump assbly out and
> directly hooked up the eng pump to the fuel line from the fuel selector, It
> took some time to get the eng started but it ran well, good pressure ect. The
> only thing is I didn't dare fly it that way, without a boost pump! This
> pressure fluctuation has rarely reared its ugly head on the ground.
> I have proved that the boost pump and the eng pump operate correctly on the
> ground.
> So I do not have a vent or fuel line problem.
> Next course of action? Try a new eng pump in flight.
> Stewart RV4 CO. N273SB
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ENewton57(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | cowl hinges (again) |
Hi all,
I have a couple of questions (again) about the cowl hinges (RV-6A). First,
someone wrote me and said that it is in the manual about substituting the
stainless steel hinge pins for the aluminum ones. Whoever that was, please
send me the page number again if you don't mind. I can't find it in my manual
or plans.
Second question, the Orndorff tape shows bonding the hinges on with some
fiberglass strips and resin. Again, I find no mention of this in my manual
or plans. Am I missing a page or what? I suspect the plans may have changed
a little with the introduction of the Epoxy "S" cowl that came with my year
2000 kit.
Thanks for the help,
Eric Newton - Long Beach, Mississippi
RV-6A N57ME (Reserved) (Engine Cowling)
http://www.ericsrv6a.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Schlosser" <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Wife's strange question... |
Well now... :-) The wife asked me this morning if there were airplane shows to
go to. "You know, like the boat shows and stuff." I told her about Sun-N-Fun
and Oshkosh. She was wondering if there was anything more local near New Jersey
in the next few months. Is there? NJ/PA/Delaware/VA ???
Imagine that!
-< PropellerHead >-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ross" <rmickey(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Micromonitor oil temp probe location |
> I was wondering if some of the micromonitor users out there can tell me
> where they located their oil temperature probe? I need to find out what
> plug I need.
I have a new O-360. The probe fits in the very back, top center into the
oil filter adapter.
Ross.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Calvert" <rv6bldr(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Altitude encoder installation |
I am trying to figure the best place to mount the altitude encoder in my -6.
There are two small adjustment screws on the side of it and I am guessing
that it may need some fine tuning when the transponder is being checked. I
have come up with a way to mount it behind the instrument sub-panel on a
hinged bracket so it will drop down for easy(?) access.
Comments??
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
-6 finish kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Bristol <bj034(at)lafn.org> |
| Subject: | Re: cowl hinges (again) |
Eric,
It wasn't me, but it's on page 6 of section 12 in my book, to the right of SK-99.
"The lower hinge pins are to be the 1/8" dia. hardened stainless steel wire
supplied separate with the kit. The pin which is supplied by the hinge
manufacturer is soft aluminum and is inadequate for our purposes...."
Dave
ENewton57(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I have a couple of questions (again) about the cowl hinges (RV-6A). First,
> someone wrote me and said that it is in the manual about substituting the
> stainless steel hinge pins for the aluminum ones. Whoever that was, please
> send me the page number again if you don't mind. I can't find it in my manual
> or plans.
> Second question, the Orndorff tape shows bonding the hinges on with some
> fiberglass strips and resin. Again, I find no mention of this in my manual
> or plans. Am I missing a page or what? I suspect the plans may have changed
> a little with the introduction of the Epoxy "S" cowl that came with my year
> 2000 kit.
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Eric Newton - Long Beach, Mississippi
> RV-6A N57ME (Reserved) (Engine Cowling)
> http://www.ericsrv6a.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | doyal plute <dplute(at)onemain.com> |
| Subject: | Compass location: |
I am starting on my panel layout on my RV6A and I have a question:
I am contemplating mounting my compass in the lower left corner of my
panel.
Has anyone mounted their compass here, and if so what were the results?
Was it satisfactory or did it show a lot of deviation? My original plan
was to mount the compass top center in panel ,but that put it within 6
inches of radio stack, which Vans says is to close.
Sincerely:
Doyal Plute N4dp resv.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Burton" <dburton(at)nwlink.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wife's strange question... |
Hi Kevin,
Next weekend, http://www.vaeaa.org/
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Schlosser" <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:14 PM
Subject: RV-List: Wife's strange question...
>
> Well now... :-) The wife asked me this morning if there were airplane sh> ows
to go to. "You know, like the boat shows and stuff." I told her abo> ut Sun-N-Fun
and Oshkosh. She was wondering if there was anything more l> ocal near
New Jersey in the next few months. Is there? NJ/PA/Delaware/V> A ???
>
> Imagine that!
>
> -< PropellerHead >-
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Calvert" <rv6bldr(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Compass location: |
That's where I originally wanted mine, but my electric turn coordinator
swung the compass 90 degrees. Before you cut any holes, test your compass
next to EVERYTHING that will be in that general area and see if it is
affected.
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
-6 finish kit
----- Original Message -----
From: doyal plute <dplute(at)onemain.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 10:18 PM
Subject: RV-List: Compass location:
>
> I am starting on my panel layout on my RV6A and I have a question:
> I am contemplating mounting my compass in the lower left corner of my
> panel.
> Has anyone mounted their compass here, and if so what were the results?
> Was it satisfactory or did it show a lot of deviation? My original plan
> was to mount the compass top center in panel ,but that put it within 6
> inches of radio stack, which Vans says is to close.
> Sincerely:
> Doyal Plute N4dp resv.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary A. Sobek" <rv6flier(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Compass location: |
--- doyal plute wrote:
> I am starting on my panel layout on my RV6A and I have a question:
> I am contemplating mounting my compass in the lower left corner of my
> panel.
> Has anyone mounted their compass here, and if so what were the
> results?
> Was it satisfactory or did it show a lot of deviation? My original
> plan
> was to mount the compass top center in panel ,but that put it within
> 6
> inches of radio stack, which Vans says is to close.
> Sincerely:
> Doyal Plute N4dp resv.
>
Doyal:
I have my compass mounted in the upper left hand side of the panel. It
is directly above my electric clock and near the turn coordinator. I
tested this set up on the bench before trying it. It added 2 degrees
error to the compass. Been flying with this setup for 3.5 years, 814
hours and it works great.
====
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
814+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.tripod.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry & Karen Gooding <GOODING(at)hargray.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wife's strange question... |
Kevin,
Sentimental Journey is at Loch Haven, PA, June 20-23. This is the year of
the Vagabonds (PA-15, PA-17) and all the little Cubs will be flying home to
the Piper Factory where they were born.
Women love Cubs... I have two.
Karen Gooding
PA-17, PJ-3S
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Donald R. Eaves" <doneaves(at)bigfoot.com> |
| Subject: | Tail wheel product. |
Here is the link to his web site & email:
http://www.iwantarocket.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of GRENIER(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 9:31 AM
Subject: RV-List: Tail wheel product.
A few weeks ago a builder from Canada offered a tail wheel steering device
for sale that replace the springs and chains. I have lost his name and
e-mail address. Can anyone help?
Thanks Ray Grenier
RV-4 the endless last 90%
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wife's strange question... |
Kevin,
You are lucky to have a wife who is interested in airplanes.
EAA Chapter # 486 (Fulton, NY) (Oswego airport) has there annual RV-Forum in
September. The forums are RV based and very good. In addition, the RV turn
out is usually very good with many of the RVs giving rides. Mike Seger also
usually attends and offers transition flights.
The dates are Saturday (9/15) and Sunday (9/16) starting at 9 AM with
breakfeast/lunch and dinner.
Their web site is WWW.web-flight.com/486.
Good Building,
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A - Wings painted & Installed
Niantic, CT (Westerly airport)
>Well now... :-) The wife asked me this morning if there were airplane sh>ows
to go to. "You know, like the boat shows and stuff." I told her abo>ut Sun-N-Fun
and Oshkosh. She was wondering if there was anything more l>ocal near New
Jersey in the next few months. Is there? NJ/PA/Delaware/V>A ???
>
>Imagine that!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wes" <whays(at)camalott.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Micromonitor oil temp probe location |
Ross,
George Orndorff has a plug that is made for the temp probe. It works great
with my uMonitor. He is in the Yeller Pages.
Wes Hays
N844WB
Flying
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | 270+ Cougar Landing RV Fly-In Images Now Online |
Thread-Topic: 270+ Cougar Landing RV Fly-In Images Now Online
Thread-Index: AcDs9jJGcg0OIAPZTS21Y68O5C/Hmw=
| From: | "Reeves, Doug" <Douglas.Reeves(at)archongroup.com> |
Hi everybody,
I've finished writing a proper thank you for the event and upload the
images I took. Don Parsons also took over a hundred INCREDIBLE pictures
and I linked to them also. You can jump directly to the page at:
http://www.metronet.com/~dreeves/CougarLanding/cougarlanding.htm
<http://www.metronet.com/~dreeves/CougarLanding/cougarlanding.htm>
Again, thanks to everyone who flew or drove in. It was a wonderful
weekend. If you couldn't make it, please do next year.
Kindest regards,
Doug Reeves
Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
http://www.vansaircraft.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Johnny Johnson" <Johnny(at)wiktel.com> |
| Subject: | Constant speed props |
A couple of days ago, I passed along a memory-jogger used in my Navy days:
> > When adding power start with the shortest [lever] and go
> > uphill: Mixture, prop, throttle.
> > Pulling power start with the longest [lever] and
> > go downhill: throttle, prop, mixture.
I guess this illustrates the hazard of sharing personal memory joggers
because everyone's background is different, and perhaps I didn't amplify
enough.
"Pulling power--go downhill" is NOT used in setting up for landing.
"Downhill" is for any higher power to lower power _setting_ (such as setting
cruise power after climbout, or preparing to descend, etc etc). I assumed
everyone would understand that the landing jogger is the "uphill" one, but I
can see from list activity that it is not so clear in everyone's mind... As
Boyd correctly pointed out, for landing you want to be ready to _set_ full
power at will... which means you want to have all of the "uphill" done
except for the throttle.
If you're cruising along, prop back, mixture leaned (cruise power _set_) and
bam...you get jumped by a hostile MIG or RV, then the "Adding power--go
uphill" will please your engine as you _set_ full power for the chase...
also applies when you want to climb to a different cruise altitude, etc,
etc... any lower power to higher power _setting_.
Rigid adherence to these procedures may not be too important to our
normally-aspirated engines, but we might as well baby our Lycosaurs all we
can... besides, you'll be primed for the time you have a 70"-capable
airplane to fly, confident that you won't overboost... :=))
Sorry for any confusion this may have caused... lashes will be administered.
If it's still clear as mud, maybe someone more articulate than I can help
out here...
Johnny Johnson
49MM -3 flying
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| From: | "Robert Moore" <robm440(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a GPS |
Daniel
check out Ebay.com, I have seen some good deals on several Garmin GPSs
Rob
>Hi...
>
>Is there someone selling a Garmin 195 GPS...
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Daniel EStrada
>Mexico City
>RV7A emp.
>
>
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| Subject: | Nav/vor antena on wing tips |
Thread-Topic: RV-List: Nav/vor antena on wing tips
Thread-Index: AcDslpxfWV2tFpYBTkqdTl9PdlDmxQAaO43g
| From: | "Bob Japundza" <Bob.Japundza(at)realmed.com> |
Electric Bob has a section in his book devoted to the wingtip antenna,
along with instructions and a diagram on how to build them. You should
be able to make one for less than $5.00 in parts. A friend of mine has
a wingtip VOR antenna says it works well, but there are dead spots. He
has the glideslope antenna in one wing and the VOR antenna in the other.
Bob Japundza
RV-6 N244BJ O-360C/S flying 148 hours
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| From: | Ken Harrill <KHarrill(at)osa.state.sc.us> |
| Subject: | AD Applicability |
"Das Fed" and others,
Am I correct is assuming that AD's do not apply to Experimental aircraft?
An AI friend recently made reference to a spar AD on a Pitts homebuilt.
What gives?
Ken Harrill
RV - 6, electrical
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Schlosser" <kevinschlosser(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wife's strange question... |
Perfect! It even doesn't collide with Rhinebeck.
Well, my wife really isn't interested in airplanes. Most times, when you mention
them, she just rolls her eyes and says "Uh huh." I think she just wants to
see what she's setting herself up for by accepting that I'm going to build one.
Maybe if I could get her a demo ride, she'll be ok. Heck, why should she have
all the fun, I'd like one too :-).
-< PropellerHead >-
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Rowbotham
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wife's strange question...
m>
Kevin,
You are lucky to have a wife who is interested in airplanes.
EAA Chapter # 486 (Fulton, NY) (Oswego airport) has there annual RV-Forum in
September. The forums are RV based and very good. In addition, the RV turn
out is usually very good with many of the RVs giving rides. Mike Seger also
usually attends and offers transition flights.
The dates are Saturday (9/15) and Sunday (9/16) starting at 9 AM with
breakfeast/lunch and dinner.
Their web site is WWW.web-flight.com/486.
Good Building,
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A - Wings painted & Installed
Niantic, CT (Westerly airport)
>Well now... :-) The wife asked me this morning if there were airplane sh
>ows to go to. "You know, like the boat shows and stuff." I told her abo
>ut Sun-N-Fun and Oshkosh. She was wondering if there was anything more
l
>ocal near New Jersey in the next few months. Is there? NJ/PA/Delaware/V
>A ???
>
>Imagine that!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: AD Applicability |
If there is an AD, it is on the certified model. It does NOT apply to the
homebuilt as ADs are not issued on Home builts. HOWEVER, if the
construction is the same, it would be wise to check to see if there is a
problem on the homebuilt.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Harrill" <KHarrill(at)osa.state.sc.us>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:54 AM
Subject: RV-List: AD Applicability
"Das Fed" and others,
Am I correct is assuming that AD's do not apply to Experimental aircraft?
An AI friend recently made reference to a spar AD on a Pitts homebuilt.
What gives?
Ken Harrill
RV - 6, electrical
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| From: | "Tim Lewis" <timrv6a(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV6-List: Compass location: |
I mounted mine above the "basic 6" instruments. It works OK. I was
able to swing it to within a couple of degrees. The problem is, when I
turn on the landing lights, taxi lights, and/or the pitot heat, the
compass swings up to 30 degrees. Even the panel lights cause it to
swing. The wires for all these functions (except the panel lights) run
along the bottom of the panel, while the compass is at the top of the
panel.
More separation would reduce the effect, therefore I recommend you
consider mounting the compass on the canopy support (assuming
you have a slider) to increase the distance between the compass and
the high-current wiring of lights and pitot heat.
Tim
On 3 Jun 2001, at 22:18, doyal plute wrote:
> --> RV6-List message posted by: doyal plute
>
> I am starting on my panel layout on my RV6A and I have a question: I
> am contemplating mounting my compass in the lower left corner of my
> panel. Has anyone mounted their compass here, and if so what were the
> results? Was it satisfactory or did it show a lot of deviation? My
> original plan was to mount the compass top center in panel ,but that
> put it within 6 inches of radio stack, which Vans says is to close.
> Sincerely: Doyal Plute N4dp resv.
>
>
>
>
>
>
******
Tim Lewis -- Springfield VA
RV-6A N47TD - First Flight 18 Dec 99
http://www.geocities.com/timrv6a
******
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| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Free Fuse Jig |
Kevin. Will this work on a 7 or 8?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Schlosser
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Free Fuse Jig
How's it made?
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 8:16 AM
Subject: RV-List: Free Fuse Jig
I will give my RV6 Fuselage Jig to the first builder who picks it up. This is
a really nice jig.
Ted Gauthier
Pontiac, Michigan
blunist(at)flash.net
1-248-681-8184 hm
1-248-400-6237 pager
1-248-249-1780 cell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: AD Applicability |
If there is an AD, it is on the certified model. It does NOT apply to the
homebuilt as ADs are not issued on Home builts. HOWEVER, if the
construction is the same, it would be wise to check to see if there is a
problem on the homebuilt.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Harrill" <KHarrill(at)osa.state.sc.us>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:54 AM
Subject: RV-List: AD Applicability
"Das Fed" and others,
Am I correct is assuming that AD's do not apply to Experimental aircraft?
An AI friend recently made reference to a spar AD on a Pitts homebuilt.
What gives?
Ken Harrill
RV - 6, electrical
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| From: | "Ross Mickey" <rmickey(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Tyler Feldman Photo's |
Does anyone have pictures on the net of Tyler Feldman's Award Winning RV-6?
My searching has turned up nothing and the archives seem to be down.
Ross
RV-6A
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| From: | "Doug Weiler" <doug.weiler(at)pressenter.com> |
Fellow Listers:
If anyone knows of a high-quality RV-6 for sale, I may have a potential
interested party. Contact me off list.
Doug,
MN Wing
================
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
715-386-1239
dougweil(at)pressenter.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AD Applicability |
AD applicability is addressed in AC 39-7C. A "general" AD: "Unless
specifically stated, AD's apply to the make and model set forth in the
applicability statement REGARDLESS OF THE CLASSIFICATION OR CATEGORY OF
THE AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATE ISSUED FOR THE AIRCRAFT." (ie, this
includes experimental aircraft)
8.c. states that some AD's may be specifically worded to exclude
aircraft with experimental airworthiness certificates.
So, you have to read the AD to find out if it pertains to your
experimental, or not.
Boyd Braem
Ken Harrill wrote:
>
>
> "Das Fed" and others,
>
> Am I correct is assuming that AD's do not apply to Experimental aircraft?
> An AI friend recently made reference to a spar AD on a Pitts homebuilt.
> What gives?
>
> Ken Harrill
> RV - 6, electrical
>
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| From: | RVer273sb(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: AD Applicability |
Ken,
It could be that it was a factory built Pitts
and was type certificated. Even if it was a home built
I would tend to adhear to an AD on spars!
Stewart RV4
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Im7shannon(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Seattle area CFI |
Are there any CFI's with an RV in the Seattle area? I need to get transition
training and checkride soon. Anyone have an address or number for Jerry
VanGrunsven? I found Mike Seager in the Yellar Pages
Kevin Shannon
9A in WA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Thomas Mosher" <tgmosher(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AD Applicability |
The Pitts S-1S, S-1T, S-2, S-2A, S-2S, S-2B, and S-2C are all type
certificated aircraft - TCDS A8SO which is currently held by Sky
International, Inc. of Afton, WA.
Therefore, the AD applies.
Tom Mosher
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Harrill" <KHarrill(at)osa.state.sc.us>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:54 AM
Subject: RV-List: AD Applicability
>
> "Das Fed" and others,
>
> Am I correct is assuming that AD's do not apply to Experimental aircraft?
> An AI friend recently made reference to a spar AD on a Pitts homebuilt.
> What gives?
>
>
> Ken Harrill
> RV - 6, electrical
>
>
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| Subject: | Altitude encoder installation |
| From: | Don Jordan <dons6a(at)juno.com> |
Sorry I missed you at Waco. I mounted mine looking down on the RH F646
rib.
It was a short run to the Transponder & they can lay down & adjust it.
Don Jordan N6DJ 6A Arlington, Tx
*****************************************
writes:
>
> I am trying to figure the best place to mount the altitude encoder
> in my -6.
> There are two small adjustment screws on the side of it and I am
> guessing
> that it may need some fine tuning when the transponder is being
> checked. I
> have come up with a way to mount it behind the instrument sub-panel
> on a
> hinged bracket so it will drop down for easy(?) access.
>
> Comments??
>
> Jerry Calvert
> Edmond Ok
> -6 finish kit
>
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| From: | "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> |
| Subject: | Last visit to Catto Props |
I returned this weekend to pick up my prop from Craig Catto. He did
beautiful work! If you want to see what it looked like check out my web
page on MSN:
http://communities.msn.com/RVBuildersCentral/craigcatto.msnw?Page=1
<http://communities.msn.com/RVBuildersCentral/craigcatto.msnw?Page=1>
I just can't impress upon everyone enough how nice a guy Craig is. He is
genuinely warm and friendly. He was even very tolerant of my son running
around chasing his cats, and climbing up his porch to try to catch the 20 or
so hummingbirds that were hanging around the feeder. If you really want a
nice looking prop from someone who is really easy to do business with, Catto
Props is the place to go.
--
Scott VanArtsdalen, MCSE, CCNA
Network Administrator
Union Safe Deposit Bank
209-946-5116
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| From: | BBSumrell(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/03/01 |
Please unsubscribe bbsumrell@cs/.com
Thank you ,BBS
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| From: | "Randy" <skydog-8(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 canopy skirt |
Hey you guys, please don't misunderstand, I'm not whining here (because
come hell or high water I'm going to get it done).
But just out of curiosity, of all the "eight" builders out there how
many of you found that the right side fit pretty good but the left side
fit.............how shall I put this............less that elegantly?
Randy Griffin
N925RG (reserved)
Vancouver, Wa.
RV-8 Slooooooow build
Canopy (duh)
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| From: | "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AD Applicability |
If you look at FAR 39 you will read that an AD can be issued for anything,
to include homebuilts, if needed. There are other FARs that say they do not
apply and they don't with the exception of what is included within your
Operating Limitations issued with the Special Airworthiness Csertificate.
BUT, it is argued that anything with a Type Certificate Data Sheet and soem
type of data plate is still subject to the ADs. At least that is the ruling
out of DC these days.
What has not been figured out yet by the Legal Beagles in DC yet is how to
enforce them. About the only time they can be enforced is at the time of
the initial certification. After that you are pretty much on your own
unless you have an accident, at which time the FAA will confiscate your
logbooks for examination.
I know this will probably raise a roar but thats the way it is right now.
At least that is the ruling I got from DC about two weeks ago. I wrote them
back to ask how they plan on enforcing it but haven't heard back yet.
My suggestion.......At the yearly condition inspection plan on having your
local A&P, or whoever, do an AD search for you. I think that is going to be
the way we will probably enforce AD for EXperiemtnals in the future.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
RV-8A
>From: Ken Harrill <KHarrill(at)osa.state.sc.us>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "'RV-list(at)matronics.com'"
>Subject: RV-List: AD Applicability
>Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:54:59 -0400
>
>
>"Das Fed" and others,
>
>Am I correct is assuming that AD's do not apply to Experimental aircraft?
>An AI friend recently made reference to a spar AD on a Pitts homebuilt.
>What gives?
>
>
>Ken Harrill
>RV - 6, electrical
>
>
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| From: | phil <pcondon(at)mitre.org> |
| Subject: | Mail Order Lycoming Parts Supplier( Gaskets,bolts small parts) |
Can anyone recommend a "experimental friendly" parts house where we can
mail order small lycoming parts ?? A local drive-in aero supplier went
out of business and I am at a loss finding a reasonable mail order,
cheep or reasonally priced source>......
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Ervin <n57wc(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Green Velcro |
Rick
Most of the time the OD Green velcro comes in 4X8 or
4X10 sheets you can have someone pick it up at any
Base PX or BX Uniform shop. Active/retiree or Civil
Air Patrol member can use the uniform shop.
Bill
Artesia NM
RV-6
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| From: | "Doug Weiler" <doug.weiler(at)pressenter.com> |
Fellow Listers:
All right, here's another dumb question which I can't quite seem to find.
It's time to plan to hook up the ignition leads to my 0-360. It has Slick
mags model 4373's and Slick harness. The question is which leads go to
which cylinders. The OH manuals do depict this, but just want to double
check to see if I'm visualizing this correctly.
Thanks
Doug
================
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
715-386-1239
dougweil(at)pressenter.com
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| From: | DWENSING(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Returned mail: see transcript for details |
In a message dated 6/5/01 1:10:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
MAILER-DAEMON(at)matronics.com writes:
<< Warning! Let the builders beware! ;-)
My wife is not really interested in airplanes but does enjoy our flying
trips. However, I made a mistake when I started building the 6A. I took her
along to Oshkosh for a couple of days and she saw the prices on all the
"necessary" stuff I would need to purchase in addition to the actual kit. It
cost me a big upgrade in her diamond ear studs!
Dale Ensing
6A finishing
>>
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| From: | Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ignition wiring |
Doug Weiler wrote:
>
>
> Fellow Listers:
>
> All right, here's another dumb question which I can't quite seem to find.
> It's time to plan to hook up the ignition leads to my 0-360. It has Slick
> mags model 4373's and Slick harness. The question is which leads go to
> which cylinders. The OH manuals do depict this, but just want to double
> check to see if I'm visualizing this correctly.
>
> Thanks
>
> Doug
>
> ================
> Doug Weiler
> Hudson, WI
> 715-386-1239
> dougweil(at)pressenter.com
>
>
Lot of the time the leads well have the cyclinder number marked on them.
Look at the nuts that screws on to the spark plugs and if they is marked they
well have a T1, (top number 1) B1, (for bottom number 1) and and T2 and B2
and so on.
Jerry S
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| From: | Ken Balch <kbalch1(at)mediaone.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 canopy skirt |
Hi Randy,
Interesting. I had exactly the same trouble with the canopy skirt. The
right side fit perfectly (I'm assuming that you're talking about the aft
portion where it curves around the fuselage), but the left side took some
finessing. It was bulging back there along about a ten inch section, which
I finally got to sit down to within 3/32" of the skin. I called it good
enough at that point and gladly moved on. I figured that I could put some
material (stick-on foam?) back there to seal the small gap and I've
certainly seen worse gaps on finished -8's at fly-ins, so I don't feel too
badly about it.
--
Regards,
Ken Balch
Ashland, MA
RV-8 #81125 (N118KB)
wing intersection fairings
groups.yahoo.com/group/BostonRVBuilders/files/
Randy wrote:
>
> Hey you guys, please don't misunderstand, I'm not whining here (because
> come hell or high water I'm going to get it done).
> But just out of curiosity, of all the "eight" builders out there how
> many of you found that the right side fit pretty good but the left side
> fit.............how shall I put this............less that elegantly?
> Randy Griffin
> N925RG (reserved)
> Vancouver, Wa.
> RV-8 Slooooooow build
> Canopy (duh)
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| Subject: | Mail Order Lycoming Parts Supplier( Gaskets,bolts sm |
all parts)
New parts
Superior Air Parts, Inc.
Dallas, TX USA
(972) 233-4433
(800) 487-4884
Used parts
EnParts
700 Ferris Rd
Lancaster, Texas
(972) 227-0086
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| From: | "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless(at)barefootpilot.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seattle area CFI |
kevin,
Wow, are you going to have the first customer built -9 to fly? How soon?
Cliff
RV9A wings
www.barefootpilot.com
>
> Are there any CFI's with an RV in the Seattle area? I need to get
transition
> training and checkride soon. Anyone have an address or number for Jerry
> VanGrunsven? I found Mike Seager in the Yellar Pages
> Kevin Shannon
> 9A in WA
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ENewton57(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Mail Order Lycoming Parts Supplier( Gaskets,bolts small parts) |
In a message dated 6/5/01 1:13:39 AM Central Daylight Time, pcondon(at)mitre.org
writes:
<< Can anyone recommend a "experimental friendly" parts house where we can
mail order small lycoming parts ?? A local drive-in aero supplier went
out of business and I am at a loss finding a reasonable mail order,
cheep or reasonally priced source>...... >>
I use El Reno Aviation 1-800-521-0333. Ask for Ted. He has been wonderfull
and has spent many hours on the phone with me explaining how things work. I
belive he is fair and honest. He's even sent me a few small items at no
charge (carb gasket, etc.) because I had bought a few other things from him.
Eric Newton - Long Beach, Mississippi
RV-6A N57ME (Reserved) (Engine Cowling)
http://www.ericsrv6a.com
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| From: | Ken Harrill <KHarrill(at)osa.state.sc.us> |
| Subject: | AD Applicability |
Mike,
Thanks for your response. I guess this means we should be careful to
research AD's on our Lycomings, too, even if they are no longer certified
engines.
Ken Harrill
RV-6, electrical
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Robertson [mailto:mrobert569(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: AD Applicability
If you look at FAR 39 you will read that an AD can be issued for anything,
to include homebuilts, if needed. There are other FARs that say they do not
apply and they don't with the exception of what is included within your
Operating Limitations issued with the Special Airworthiness Csertificate.
BUT, it is argued that anything with a Type Certificate Data Sheet and soem
type of data plate is still subject to the ADs. At least that is the ruling
out of DC these days.
What has not been figured out yet by the Legal Beagles in DC yet is how to
enforce them. About the only time they can be enforced is at the time of
the initial certification. After that you are pretty much on your own
unless you have an accident, at which time the FAA will confiscate your
logbooks for examination.
I know this will probably raise a roar but thats the way it is right now.
At least that is the ruling I got from DC about two weeks ago. I wrote them
back to ask how they plan on enforcing it but haven't heard back yet.
My suggestion.......At the yearly condition inspection plan on having your
local A&P, or whoever, do an AD search for you. I think that is going to be
the way we will probably enforce AD for EXperiemtnals in the future.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
RV-8A
>From: Ken Harrill <KHarrill(at)osa.state.sc.us>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "'RV-list(at)matronics.com'"
>Subject: RV-List: AD Applicability
>Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:54:59 -0400
>
>
>"Das Fed" and others,
>
>Am I correct is assuming that AD's do not apply to Experimental aircraft?
>An AI friend recently made reference to a spar AD on a Pitts homebuilt.
>What gives?
>
>
>Ken Harrill
>RV - 6, electrical
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Ignition wiring |
The Slick lead plug nuts for my slick mag harness are stamped with a number
like T-3 or B-2. Have you checked those?
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Weiler" <doug.weiler(at)pressenter.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 4:51 PM
Subject: RV-List: Ignition wiring
Fellow Listers:
All right, here's another dumb question which I can't quite seem to find.
It's time to plan to hook up the ignition leads to my 0-360. It has Slick
mags model 4373's and Slick harness. The question is which leads go to
which cylinders. The OH manuals do depict this, but just want to double
check to see if I'm visualizing this correctly.
Thanks
Doug
================
Doug Weiler
Hudson, WI
715-386-1239
dougweil(at)pressenter.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Wiegenstein" <johnw(at)hellerwiegenstein.com> |
| Subject: | MD-42BS Rivet Substitution |
In assembling the F-690 pushrod ends I find myself short of the
specified MD-42 BS pop rivets. Hate to order just those from Van's or
Spruce ($1 for parts, $20 for shipping . . ), and haven't been able to
find a useful cross-reference chart to show what alternatives are
acceptable. Has anyone come up with same, or any other source that
would tell me what these rivets are made of/designed for, and which
other pop rivets would be acceptable in this application? Thanks in
advance!
John and Laurie Wiegenstein
Hansville, WA
RV-6 23961 - almost ready to order finish kit . . .AND FINISHED WITH
PRIMING (woo hoo!!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Pardue" <n5lp(at)carlsbad.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AD Applicability |
>
> AD applicability is addressed in AC 39-7C. A "general" AD: "Unless
> specifically stated, AD's apply to the make and model set forth in the
> applicability statement REGARDLESS OF THE CLASSIFICATION OR CATEGORY OF
> THE AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATE ISSUED FOR THE AIRCRAFT." (ie, this
> includes experimental aircraft)
>
Of course for homebuilt aircraft each individual airplane is a different
make. The make of my airplane is "Pardue." So it would seem the each
individual airplane would have to be named in the AD for it to apply legally
to our airplanes. Some AD's do apply to individual aircraft. There was a
fuel problem in California a few years ago where the AD listed aircraft by N
number.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "fred boss" <newrver(at)hotmail.com> |
A few weeks ago I posted a question of priming the interior of the RV emp
and wings. I used Coleman fuel and Zinc Chromate but then had problems of
the zinc flaking off.
After many suggestions I've decided to use Alumiprep (scuff with scotchbrite
pad), Alodine, and AKZO epoxy primer.
Has any one used AKZO in the cockpit? How does it hold up?
When using Alodine on the inside of the control surface skins do you take
the plastic coating off the outside of the skin?
Should you prime the outside of the skin as well if you Alodine it. What I'd
like to do is only Alodine the inside and leave the outside plastic on. Has
anyone been successful with this?
Thankx
Fred
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Hurlbut" <shurlbut(at)island.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tyler Feldman Photo's |
I have a couple personal photos I could scan and send to you.
Steve Hurlbut
Comox, BC
shurlbut(at)island.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Ross Mickey <rmickey(at)ix.netcom.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:36 AM
Subject: RV-List: Tyler Feldman Photo's
>
> Does anyone have pictures on the net of Tyler Feldman's Award Winning
RV-6?
> My searching has turned up nothing and the archives seem to be down.
>
> Ross
> RV-6A
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Denk" <akroguy(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 canopy skirt |
>Hey you guys, please don't misunderstand, I'm not whining here (because
>come hell or high water I'm going to get it done).
>But just out of curiosity, of all the "eight" builders out there how
>many of you found that the right side fit pretty good but the left side
>fit.............how shall I put this............less that elegantly?
>Randy Griffin
>N925RG (reserved)
>Vancouver, Wa.
>RV-8 Slooooooow build
>Canopy (duh)
Yo Randy,
My experience exactly! Right side fit beautifully (after cutting the skirt
at the rear centerline). Left side was yucky. Still doesn't quite look
right when the light hits it from a certain angle, but it seals reasonably
well. I had to cut the skirt about 18 inches forward of the rear cut on the
left side to get it to conform to the turtledeck.
I hope to meet up with you, Lervold and the other RV wackos up in your part
of the woods this coming July.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
209 hrs on "ole Sharkey"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Calvert" <rv6bldr(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Primer Decision |
Fred,
I used AKZO and like it even though it is very labor intensive. Use it on
any aluminum interior surface. It is very, very tough. Don't prime
exterior surfaces at this time. Do that when the aircraft is painted. Some
of the alodine will stain the exterior suface of the part, but don't worry
about it. Leave the plastic on the outside skins if you prefer. Just be
sure to rinse out the alumprep and alodine that gets under the edges of the
plastic. Take a spray bottle and spray on alumiprep and alodine on skins.
Parts that aren't plastic coated, such as ribs, angles, etc., can be totally
submersed in the solutions.
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
-6 finish
----- Original Message -----
From: fred boss <newrver(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:02 AM
Subject: RV-List: Primer Decision
>
> A few weeks ago I posted a question of priming the interior of the RV emp
> and wings. I used Coleman fuel and Zinc Chromate but then had problems of
> the zinc flaking off.
> After many suggestions I've decided to use Alumiprep (scuff with
scotchbrite
> pad), Alodine, and AKZO epoxy primer.
>
> Has any one used AKZO in the cockpit? How does it hold up?
>
> When using Alodine on the inside of the control surface skins do you take
> the plastic coating off the outside of the skin?
>
> Should you prime the outside of the skin as well if you Alodine it. What
I'd
> like to do is only Alodine the inside and leave the outside plastic on.
Has
> anyone been successful with this?
>
> Thankx
> Fred
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 canopy skirt |
Randy,
Had the same situation.
Question: Do you have the new two peice skirt. If not I'd recommend cutting
it at the very rear. This makes the alinement easier. We also used proseal
(semi weld) to attach the canopy & skirt to the frame withonly a few keeper
rivits (pop). Worked & looks great.
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A (Wings painted and permenantly bolted)
Niantic, CT (Westerly airport)
>
>Hey you guys, please don't misunderstand, I'm not whining here (because
>come hell or high water I'm going to get it done).
>But just out of curiosity, of all the "eight" builders out there how
>many of you found that the right side fit pretty good but the left side
>fit.............how shall I put this............less that elegantly?
>Randy Griffin
>N925RG (reserved)
>Vancouver, Wa.
>RV-8 Slooooooow build
>Canopy (duh)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | MD-42BS Rivet Substitution |
Thread-Topic: RV-List: MD-42BS Rivet Substitution
Thread-Index: AcDtxGqs2KrADPmjSL+zU6Tk9stYJwACOZMw
| From: | "Bob Japundza" <Bob.Japundza(at)realmed.com> |
Hi John,
These are monel pop rivets and the Cherry 'N' rivets are a good
substitute. Available from Wicks.
Bob Japundza
RV-6 N244BJ O-360C/S flying
-----Original Message-----
From: John Wiegenstein [mailto:johnw(at)hellerwiegenstein.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:04 AM
Subject: RV-List: MD-42BS Rivet Substitution
In assembling the F-690 pushrod ends I find myself short of the
specified MD-42 BS pop rivets. Hate to order just those from Van's or
Spruce ($1 for parts, $20 for shipping . . ), and haven't been able to
find a useful cross-reference chart to show what alternatives are
acceptable. Has anyone come up with same, or any other source that
would tell me what these rivets are made of/designed for, and which
other pop rivets would be acceptable in this application? Thanks in
advance!
John and Laurie Wiegenstein
Hansville, WA
RV-6 23961 - almost ready to order finish kit . . .AND FINISHED WITH
PRIMING (woo hoo!!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Im7shannon(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Last visit to Catto Props |
I too highly reccomend Catto, but he is so busy now, he will probably be
upset with us for generating so much more new work for him! Just be aware he
is a one man shop and get your order in early. Mail your spinner to him and
he will fit it up for you too,
Kevin in Wa
-9A finishing
> I just can't impress upon everyone enough how nice a guy Craig is. He is
> genuinely warm and friendly. He was even very tolerant of my son running
> around chasing his cats, and climbing up his porch to try to catch the 20
or
> so hummingbirds that were hanging around the feeder. If you really want a
> nice looking prop from someone who is really easy to do business with,
Catto
> Props is the place to go.
>
> --
> Scott VanArtsdalen,
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Searching for... |
Hey folks,
I'm looking for info on the owner of a Red, White and Blue RV6 that was
parked at the Cougar Landing Fly-in this past weekend with N213JM on the
tail.
This aircraft had roll bar handles and something that looks like a
compartment or access panel forward of the canopy on the passenger side.
I've already tried the N-Number searches but all of the sites come back
as 404's.
Any info would be appreciated.
Ralph Capen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | AD Applicability |
If the data polate is removed then the engine is experimental. If the data
plate is still on then it is not experimental regardless if it is installed
in an experimental aircraft.
That being said even if the data plate is removed, for your own safety, I
would still strongly recommend you research the ADs each year.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
RV-8A
>From: Ken Harrill <KHarrill(at)osa.state.sc.us>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "'rv-list(at)matronics.com'"
>Subject: RE: RV-List: AD Applicability
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:01:48 -0400
>
>
>Mike,
>
>Thanks for your response. I guess this means we should be careful to
>research AD's on our Lycomings, too, even if they are no longer certified
>engines.
>
>Ken Harrill
>RV-6, electrical
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Robertson [mailto:mrobert569(at)hotmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:04 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: AD Applicability
>
>
>If you look at FAR 39 you will read that an AD can be issued for anything,
>to include homebuilts, if needed. There are other FARs that say they do
>not
>
>apply and they don't with the exception of what is included within your
>Operating Limitations issued with the Special Airworthiness Csertificate.
>BUT, it is argued that anything with a Type Certificate Data Sheet and soem
>type of data plate is still subject to the ADs. At least that is the
>ruling
>
>out of DC these days.
>
>What has not been figured out yet by the Legal Beagles in DC yet is how to
>enforce them. About the only time they can be enforced is at the time of
>the initial certification. After that you are pretty much on your own
>unless you have an accident, at which time the FAA will confiscate your
>logbooks for examination.
>
>I know this will probably raise a roar but thats the way it is right now.
>At least that is the ruling I got from DC about two weeks ago. I wrote
>them
>
>back to ask how they plan on enforcing it but haven't heard back yet.
>
>My suggestion.......At the yearly condition inspection plan on having your
>local A&P, or whoever, do an AD search for you. I think that is going to
>be
>
>the way we will probably enforce AD for EXperiemtnals in the future.
>
>Mike Robertson
>Das Fed
>RV-8A
>
>
> >From: Ken Harrill <KHarrill(at)osa.state.sc.us>
> >Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: "'RV-list(at)matronics.com'"
> >Subject: RV-List: AD Applicability
> >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:54:59 -0400
> >
> >
> >"Das Fed" and others,
> >
> >Am I correct is assuming that AD's do not apply to Experimental aircraft?
> >An AI friend recently made reference to a spar AD on a Pitts homebuilt.
> >What gives?
> >
> >
> >Ken Harrill
> >RV - 6, electrical
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Besing, Paul" <Paul.Besing(at)avnet.com> |
| Subject: | Tyler Feldman Photo's |
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Click on Copperstate '99 photos.
Paul Besing
RV-6A 197AB Arizona
About to taxi test
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Mickey [mailto:rmickey(at)ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:37 AM
Subject: RV-List: Tyler Feldman Photo's
Does anyone have pictures on the net of Tyler Feldman's Award Winning RV-6?
My searching has turned up nothing and the archives seem to be down.
Ross
RV-6A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Finn Lassen <finnlassen(at)netzero.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Primer Decision |
Whatever you do, do not leave the plastic on the skins out in the sun for any
extended period of time (weeks, months). I did and it looks like it'll be hell
to get if off when ready for priming/painting.
Finn
fred boss wrote:
>
> A few weeks ago I posted a question of priming the interior of the RV emp
> and wings. I used Coleman fuel and Zinc Chromate but then had problems of
> the zinc flaking off.
> After many suggestions I've decided to use Alumiprep (scuff with scotchbrite
> pad), Alodine, and AKZO epoxy primer.
>
> Has any one used AKZO in the cockpit? How does it hold up?
>
> When using Alodine on the inside of the control surface skins do you take
> the plastic coating off the outside of the skin?
>
> Should you prime the outside of the skin as well if you Alodine it. What I'd
> like to do is only Alodine the inside and leave the outside plastic on. Has
> anyone been successful with this?
>
> Thankx
> Fred
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Craig Hagen" <chagen(at)hagenrealestate.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Searching for... |
Ralph,
Check landings.com. I found your request to be:
James Edward McNeill
124 Bondair RD E
Greers Ferry, AR 72067-9352
Craig Hagen
N7180L Grumman Traveller
RV-6A wings
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:10 AM
Subject: RV-List: Searching for...
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I'm looking for info on the owner of a Red, White and Blue RV6 that was
> parked at the Cougar Landing Fly-in this past weekend with N213JM on the
> tail.
>
> This aircraft had roll bar handles and something that looks like a
> compartment or access panel forward of the canopy on the passenger side.
>
> I've already tried the N-Number searches but all of the sites come back
> as 404's.
>
> Any info would be appreciated.
>
> Ralph Capen
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scot Stambaugh <sstambaugh(at)qualcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Returned mail: see transcript for details |
Solution -- Remove old diamond studs from current wife and install in new,
lower maintenance wife;~) Just a suggestion. Good luck.
scot
>
>In a message dated 6/5/01 1:10:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>MAILER-DAEMON(at)matronics.com writes:
>
><< Warning! Let the builders beware! ;-)
>
> My wife is not really interested in airplanes but does enjoy our flying
> trips. However, I made a mistake when I started building the 6A. I took her
> along to Oshkosh for a couple of days and she saw the prices on all the
> "necessary" stuff I would need to purchase in addition to the actual
> kit. It
> cost me a big upgrade in her diamond ear studs!
> Dale Ensing
> 6A finishing
> >>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Phil N <pnewlon(at)toosan.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Searching for... |
Ralph -
(this is all one line, you will have to fix it as the mailer will break it up)
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=213JM&cmndfind.x=17&cmndfind.y=11
Registered Owner
Name MCNEILL JAMES EDWARD
Street 124 BONDAIR RD E
City GREERS FERRY
State ARKANSAS
Zip Code 72067-9352
County CLEBURNE
Country UNITED STATES
Phil
(RV8 wannabe, lurker)
> I'm looking for info on the owner of a Red, White and Blue RV6 that was
> parked at the Cougar Landing Fly-in this past weekend with N213JM on the
> tail.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RVPilot4(at)webtv.net (BOBE.) |
| Subject: | Re: Last visit to Catto Props |
I have had more experience in wood props than the average pilot and
Catto is not the last word in wood props.When Bernie Warnke was alive
according to tests in aviation journals,he was the one to beat.You will
be hard pressed to beat Performance Propellors by Clark Lydick.To tell
all these new builders that Catto is "THE" place to buy a prop is
misleading.
Bob Murphy Poplar Grove ILL. (C77)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Searching for... |
Thanks to all who responded - seems my DNS server was not resolving the name
to IP address. All fine now...all I need to do is get the phone number to
answer...
Ralph Capen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RWood90641(at)aol.com |
I am looking for a cutting plan that used 2 sheets of 4x8 plywood for the
jig and in so doing would eliminate the warping of framing lumber. The idea
is to glue and screw the ripped plywood into nominal 2x6,s and 2x4,s .
Finishing wing. rwood(at)90641.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Norman, MD" <jnorman(at)InterMapSystems.com> |
| Subject: | Purge Valve for Air Flow Performance FI System |
For those of you out there with an Air Flow Performance fuel injection
system, how are you hooking up your purge valve system? More specifically,
are you tapping into your tank vent line for the purge return (which is what
I intend to do), and secondly, what type of control did you mount in the
cocpit to turn on/off the purge system?
thanks,
Jim
Tampa 6A
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: MD-42BS Rivet Substitution |
In a message dated 6/5/01 6:09:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
johnw(at)hellerwiegenstein.com writes:
<< short of the specified MD-42 BS pop rivets. >>
MSP-42's replace the MD-42 BS.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, finish kit stuff
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie and Tupper England <cengland(at)netdoor.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mail Order Lycoming Parts Supplier( Gaskets,bolts small |
parts)
phil wrote:
>
>
> Can anyone recommend a "experimental friendly" parts house where we can
> mail order small lycoming parts ?? A local drive-in aero supplier went
> out of business and I am at a loss finding a reasonable mail order,
> cheep or reasonally priced source>......
>
Try
Linda Lou, Inc
PO Box 18255
Memphis TN 38181
800-824-9912
901-365-9524
If she isn't in the Yeller Pages, she should be. I've
ordered from her for almost 10 years, & have no complaints.
Charlie
RV-4(sold)
RV2+2(bought)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Jig |
Is this Rod Woodward? If it is, I thought you drew up some plans for a
plywood jig back in 1997?
I've got the plans around here somewhere and I can scan them if necessary.
In the meantime, the results of those jig plans can be seen here. I
apologize for the poor quality, but this was prior to my digital camera in
my early days of building. http://bmnellis.com/Horiz_Stabilizer.htm
Mike Nellis - http://bmnellis.com
Plainfield, IL
RV6 N699BM (res) Building Flaps
Stinson 108-2 N9666K
>
> I am looking for a cutting plan that used 2 sheets of 4x8 plywood for the
> jig and in so doing would eliminate the warping of framing lumber. The
idea
> is to glue and screw the ripped plywood into nominal 2x6,s and 2x4,s .
> Finishing wing. rwood(at)90641.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Last visit to Catto Props |
| From: | Eric.J.Henson(at)chase.com |
06/05/2001 03:14:13 PM
Since Sun N Fun I've been fighting with the bearacracy at Spruce over a $90
fuel pressure gauge. Absolutely no service after they have your money, I
shoulda taken Scotts advice and went with Wicks. Scott posted his battle
with Spruce a few months ago. Now he is posting information about someone
that treats his customers like they matter. I apreciate him taking the time
to do so.
BTW, if you were to do a poll on performance from RV's flying wood props
I'll bet Aymar-Demouth would win hands down. As a matter of fact this poll
happened a few years back on the list and there were lots of instances
where builders had to send their props back to Bernie to get re-pitched. I
mean no disrespect to Bernie, he was a key player in the homebuilt
movement. It just seems that Aymar has an edge on the others, speed wise. I
have been watching performance specs for props very carefully over the last
six years, thats why I ordered my Aymar-Demouth today. $995.00; 3 month
lead time.
Eric Henson
RVPilot4(at)webtv.net (BOBE.)(at)matronics.com on 06/05/2001 02:07:48 PM
Please respond to rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
cc:
Subject: Re: RV-List: Last visit to Catto Props
I have had more experience in wood props than the average pilot and
Catto is not the last word in wood props.When Bernie Warnke was alive
according to tests in aviation journals,he was the one to beat.You will
be hard pressed to beat Performance Propellors by Clark Lydick.To tell
all these new builders that Catto is "THE" place to buy a prop is
misleading.
Bob Murphy Poplar Grove ILL. (C77)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Purge Valve for Air Flow Performance FI System |
| From: | pichon.dean(at)ADLittle.com |
17, 2001) at 06/05/2001 03:23:22 PM
I have installed the Air Flow Performance fuel injection system (including
purge valve) in my -4, but have not yet run the engine. If all goes well,
this weekend I will start it up. I plumbed the return line into the right
tank via a T into the fuel line that runs from the tank to the fuel
selector valve. I believe this will require that the left tank be selected
whenever I use the purge system. "Cool" fuel will be drawn from the left
tank and discharged into the right. To actuate the valve, I installed a
simple push-pull (mixture) cable mechanism purchased from AS&S. Good luck.
Dean Pichon
RV-4
Time to pressurize the fuel system
Arlington, MA
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For those of you out there with an Air Flow Performance fuel injection
system, how are you hooking up your purge valve system? More specifically,
are you tapping into your tank vent line for the purge return (which is
what
I intend to do), and secondly, what type of control did you mount in the
cocpit to turn on/off the purge system?
thanks,
Jim
Tampa 6A
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: AD Applicability |
Mike, Your interpretation is just one of many in this area. Each FAA person
that reads it does it different. Some would say that since it isn't being
maintained by a "certified" mechanic, it becomes an experimental engine.
Some FSDOs require the data plate to be removed, others don't. BTW, the regs
say you have to have a Metal data plate. Safetywise, your interpretation is
as good as any.
It is unfortunate that there are as many interpretations as there are
employees of the FAA and it varies across the country. Even the FAA legal
department has a different slant than field personnel. As I understand it,
ADs do not have any legal standing for an experimental BUT at the same time
one has to maintain the experimental in airworthy condition which means that
ADs that effect airworthiness must be attended so as to make the plane
airworthy. How is that for CYA!
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: AD Applicability
If the data polate is removed then the engine is experimental. If the data
plate is still on then it is not experimental regardless if it is installed
in an experimental aircraft.
That being said even if the data plate is removed, for your own safety, I
would still strongly recommend you research the ADs each year.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
RV-8A
>From: Ken Harrill <KHarrill(at)osa.state.sc.us>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "'rv-list(at)matronics.com'"
>Subject: RE: RV-List: AD Applicability
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:01:48 -0400
>
>
>Mike,
>
>Thanks for your response. I guess this means we should be careful to
>research AD's on our Lycomings, too, even if they are no longer certified
>engines.
>
>Ken Harrill
>RV-6, electrical
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Robertson [mailto:mrobert569(at)hotmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:04 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: AD Applicability
>
>
>If you look at FAR 39 you will read that an AD can be issued for anything,
>to include homebuilts, if needed. There are other FARs that say they do
>not
>
>apply and they don't with the exception of what is included within your
>Operating Limitations issued with the Special Airworthiness Csertificate.
>BUT, it is argued that anything with a Type Certificate Data Sheet and soem
>type of data plate is still subject to the ADs. At least that is the
>ruling
>
>out of DC these days.
>
>What has not been figured out yet by the Legal Beagles in DC yet is how to
>enforce them. About the only time they can be enforced is at the time of
>the initial certification. After that you are pretty much on your own
>unless you have an accident, at which time the FAA will confiscate your
>logbooks for examination.
>
>I know this will probably raise a roar but thats the way it is right now.
>At least that is the ruling I got from DC about two weeks ago. I wrote
>them
>
>back to ask how they plan on enforcing it but haven't heard back yet.
>
>My suggestion.......At the yearly condition inspection plan on having your
>local A&P, or whoever, do an AD search for you. I think that is going to
>be
>
>the way we will probably enforce AD for EXperiemtnals in the future.
>
>Mike Robertson
>Das Fed
>RV-8A
>
>
> >From: Ken Harrill <KHarrill(at)osa.state.sc.us>
> >Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: "'RV-list(at)matronics.com'"
> >Subject: RV-List: AD Applicability
> >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:54:59 -0400
> >
> >
> >"Das Fed" and others,
> >
> >Am I correct is assuming that AD's do not apply to Experimental aircraft?
> >An AI friend recently made reference to a spar AD on a Pitts homebuilt.
> >What gives?
> >
> >
> >Ken Harrill
> >RV - 6, electrical
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Blomgren" <jackanet(at)hotmail.com> |
Builders, any RV winglet activity out there? More specifically, has anyone
either pondered or engaged in modification experiments, molding winglets
onto Van's tips? Nothing in archive.
Jack Blomgren Minnesota Wing
8 wings, tanks
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| From: | DWENSING(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RVs and diamond studs - advice to the new builders. |
In a message dated 6/5/01 3:10:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jjewell(at)okanagan.net writes:
<< I suggest that you go on with the idea of keeping the current wife >>
I agree! She is actually very supportive of the RV project.
However....., Rule #1. To maintain that support, do not let project/airplane
appear to be the most important thing in ones life. Even if it is a very
close second. We do become obsessed.
Besides, after the kit is built the strain on the checking account really
sets in. i.e.engine, prop, prop governor, instruments, wiring, painting etc.
I need her on my side!
Dale Ensing
6A still finishing and building hangar to put it.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 canopy skirt |
In a message dated 6/5/01 2:00:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, skydog-8(at)home.com
writes:
<< Hey you guys, please don't misunderstand, I'm not whining here (because
come hell or high water I'm going to get it done).
But just out of curiosity, of all the "eight" builders out there how
many of you found that the right side fit pretty good but the left side
fit.............how shall I put this............less that elegantly?
Randy Griffin >>
Personally, I think you're lucky one of the two sides fit. I've spent a ton
of hours getting a good tight fit, especially along the back, and I'm still
not done. I've put it aside to work on other tasks lest I get fiberglass
burn-out.
Rick McBride
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| From: | "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> |
| Subject: | Last visit to Catto Props |
Who said he was the last word in wood props? Not I! I did urge people to
do business with him and I still do. Warnke wouldn't return my phone calls.
Craig did and was very patient in helping me decide what prop I should
order.
Now that you bring it up, "Hey new builders! Catto IS THE place to buy
your prop! Catto is your one stop shop for propeller carving and spinner
fitting. Look no farther for the absolute best in customer service and
support!"
PS. I've really got nothing against Warnke. I know they make a fine
product. But if they don't return my calls, they don't get my business. I
don't care if they're busy or not.
PPS. Craig Catto had a Warnke prop in his shop that had been sent to him
for rework. Again, not an editorial, just an interesting fact.
Flames welcome.
--
Scott (misleading the newbies) VanArtsdalen, MCSE, CCNA
Network Administrator
Union Safe Deposit Bank
209-946-5116
-----Original Message-----
From: RVPilot4(at)webtv.net [mailto:RVPilot4(at)webtv.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:08 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Last visit to Catto Props
I have had more experience in wood props than the average
pilot and
Catto is not the last word in wood props.When Bernie Warnke
was alive
according to tests in aviation journals,he was the one to
beat.You will
be hard pressed to beat Performance Propellors by Clark
Lydick.To tell
all these new builders that Catto is "THE" place to buy a
prop is
misleading.
Bob Murphy Poplar Grove ILL. (C77)
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| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
| Subject: | Last visit to Catto Props |
Scott, I have my prop ordered with Craig. I do have trouble getting my calls
returned however. I've been waiting 5 days since I last left him a message.
Kevin says he's real busy so takes awhile to get to his messages. I'm trying
to be patient as I'm not even close to ready for my prop but I would still
like to hear from him.
Greg Tanner
RV-9A WINGS
O-320 D1A/CATTO
N80BR RESERVED
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Van Artsdalen,
Scott
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Last visit to Catto Props
Who said he was the last word in wood props? Not I! I did urge people to
do business with him and I still do. Warnke wouldn't return my phone calls.
Craig did and was very patient in helping me decide what prop I should
order.
May 30, 2001 - June 05, 2001
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