RV-Archive.digest.vol-ll
September 07, 2001 - September 12, 2001
| Subject: | Re: RV-6 throttle quadrant |
Sell the 6, buy an 8, problem solved!!!!!
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| From: | Mike Thompson <grobdriver(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve where? |
--- bert murillo wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> I got the parking brake valve from spruce, no
> instructions.
Hi Bert,
I have sent you some scanned pictures of my installation. Check that
out and let me know if you need more explanation...
Mike Thompson
Austin, TX
-6 N140RV (Reserved)
Firewall Forward
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| From: | "Thomas Mosher" <tmosher(at)gbronline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: wheel weight |
I wouldn't - better safe than sorry - although I don't have a set of wheels
in front of me, I'm only showing a Cleveland 5.00 x 5 wheel and brake
assembly at less than 6 lbs according to a couple of the catalogs I've
looked at.
Mind you, that's a magnesium wheel - how much more could the aluminum ones
weigh?
Tom
N787RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "barry pote" <barrypote(at)home.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:58 PM
Subject: RV-List: wheel weight
>
> Logged in the inventory on the finish kit (rv9a) today. I can't believe
> they (Cleveland) make their aluminum wheels a 1/2" thick. Very very
> heavy.
>
> I realize that they take a pounding every time you land, but so do 4
> wheeler dirt bikes.
>
> Seems like chucking them in a lathe , would shed 5 or ten pounds.
>
> Are there light weight versions available? Anyone thought about cutting
> these down a little?
>
> Barry Pote Fuselage RV9a
>
>
> Barry
>
>
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| From: | "Doug's Mail" <dougr(at)petroblend.com> |
| Subject: | hole in wheel pant for air? |
How far from the axle bolt should it be to the center of a hole for a rubber
plug for tire inflation without wheelpant removal???
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com
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| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve where? |
Please share this information with the rest of.
Thanks
Rollie & Rod
RV6A
Installing Canopy
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| From: | KBoatri144(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: hole in wheel pant for air? |
In a message dated 9/7/01 10:10:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dougr(at)petroblend.com writes:
<< How far from the axle bolt should it be to the center of a hole for a
rubber
plug for tire inflation without wheelpant removal???
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal
dougr(at)petroblend.com >>
2" works well on mine, but If I was going to do it over again, I'd drill the
hole 3/16" closer to the axle bolt. FYI, I have a 7/8" hole in the wheel
pant.
Kyle Boatright
0-320/Aymar Demuth RV-6 Slider
Kennesaw, GA
http://www.angelfire.com/my/rv6
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| From: | "Don Eaves" <doneaves(at)midsouth.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: hole in wheel pant for air? |
"How far from the axle bolt should it be to the center of a hole for a
rubber plug for tire inflation without wheel paint removal?"
To locate a hole for a plug for tire inflation:
1. Measure the distance from the valve to the center of the axel.
2. Decide where you want the hole.
3. Drill a small hole the distance found in step 1, from the center of the
axel on your paint.
4. Place a screw driver or something you can use to locate the valve, into
the hole and determined if it is centered over the valve.
5. Enlarge the hole with a unibit until you have the it centered and sized
for your plug and air chuck
Good Luck!
Don Eaves
RV6 Flying 66.6 Hrs.
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| From: | "Thomas Mosher" <tmosher(at)gbronline.com> |
| Subject: | Opinions Requested |
I'm curious as to why the RV-9 builders decided on that model (when compared
to the RV-6). I'm torn again between the RV-7 and the RV-9A.
Thanks
Tom
N787RV (reserved)
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| From: | JGSinger(at)aol.com |
My experience is that most drivers will not help. They do not want to get
blamed for any damage.
John Singer
Denver, CO
RV6A QB
Just finished installing Empenage - waiting for Finish Kit to arrive.
N444JS
http://www.jgsinger.com/rv
In a message dated 9/7/01 4:27:41 PM, Bobpaulo(at)aol.com writes:
I got my college son and 4 of his buds along with myself and driver. I can be
done this way, or should I say the old fashion way. Bob in Ark >>
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| From: | "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: speaking of Hobbs? |
Your gonna love this one Bill.
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/switch/switch.html#switch
Just the answer your looking for, eh?
Mike
>
> Speaking of... What are people using for a buzzer? I was thinking of a
> nice "ding, ding, ding" like what's in my Nissan...
>
> -Bill VonDane
> Colorado Springs, CO
> RV-8A - N8VD - Finish
> http://vondane.com/rv8a/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of racker(at)rmci.net
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:08 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: speaking of Hobbs?
>
>
> Won't the Hobbs then be measuring "Avionics ON" time then, not the usual
> intent of engine run time? Also, it becomes yet another victim of a
> designed-in single point failure (having all the avionics on one switch).
>
> Having the Hobbs on a two-pole pressure switch gives you engine run time,
as
> well as a low oil pressure/hey dummy you left the master on light/buzzer.
>
> Rob Acker (RV-6Q).
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> >You can also hook the Hobbs up to the Avionics Master, save the money on
> the
> >oil pressure switch.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: color of rollover bar |
Michael,
Great information. It looks like black is a good color to go with.
Been to Sedona already, and you're right, its worth the trip.
Kelly
----- Original Message -----
From: "KostaLewis" <mikel(at)dimensional.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: color of rollover bar
>
> > I recently saw an RV4 with a chrome plated roll bar that looked super.
I
> plan to do that to my 4.
>
> It will really look cool. And your back seat passengers will hate it. It's
> not only that the bar itself will be reflecting right in their face, like
a
> big neon light, but the shine on the canopy from the bar can be very
> annoying. It actually blocks the view out the canopy. I have a knee board
I
> fly with and just the reflection off the white of the check list onto the
> canopy is annoying, not to mention the three small binder rings of CHROME
> that were very shiny, indeed (and have since been painted black). And the
> canopy mirrors that right back at you. I have a black sheet I put over the
> knee board when going cross country to cut down on glare.
>
> > > I am looking for input on the color of the canopy rollover bar. I
have
> seen primarily white/gray and black. Black would >> seem to have the
> advantage of minimizing glare, whereas white/gray would seem less
obtrusive
> in your field of view.
>
> Mine is black and reflects very little. Go sit in a -4 or -8 with the
canopy
> down, in the sun, especially with the sun coming from behind. See what you
> think. Then think of sitting back there for three hours on your way to
> Sedona, Arizona. Which is one of the places you should go when your
airplane
> is finished, by the way.
>
> IMHO.
>
> Michael
> RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
> 540+ hours and very little glare.
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Sears" <sears(at)searnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Voltage Regulator-question |
> Have question for all you electronic engineers,,
> or not: I got my engine now, a rebuilt one LYc. 0320
> 150 h.p.
>
A wise choice for a RV-6A. I have one in mine and have been very happy with
the performance. I can also use auto gas. The other day, I was climbing
out of a friend's strip and decided to pull back on the stick a bit more
just to see what it would do. At 105 knots, it was climbing at 1500' a
minute. This was on a hot day. It will usually indicate about 140knots on
a hot day and at about 2500'msl. That's a lot better than the Cheetah I
used to own. You're going to like that little engine on that little
airplane. :-)
I wish I could help you with your question; but, I went with an external
voltage regulator with an external OV protection to keep all of that
seperate. My voltage regulator is adjustable and was bought from Van's. I
did have to do a little adjusting when I first fired up the engine.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS
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| From: | "Doug Bell" <dbell(at)manisteenational.com> |
Hey guys,
I have relative looking for a flight logbook that is pc based so they can
keep duplicate records. Anyone know of such a thing?
Thanks
Doug Bell
8 qb....golf season is getting close to being over here...:)
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| From: | "Allen Checca" <achecca(at)concentric.net> |
I hired a tilt bed tow truck ($125) to pick up the crates at the
freight
terminal. I borrowed four engine dollies from the local junkyard. These had
swivel casters on the bottom and were flat squares made of angle iron. I
could have made them from wood but the casters are expensive. When the tow
truck arrived we (the driver and I) slowly tilted the bed of the truck and
slid the crates onto the dollies and pushed them into the garage. It was
easier than I expected and once the truck was here it only took 20 minutes
to get both crates safely into the stored.
Allen Checca
6A QB One wing done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: BIG BOXES!!
Hi John,
I can't imagine that three or four guys can't handle those boxes. I can
pick up either end of my airplane alone. The box itself can't be more than
the airplane. I wouldn't think.
RV-6 (N616TB Reserved) Finish kit and waiting for my engine
Tim Bryan
tim(at)bryantechnology.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <JTAnon(at)aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:51 PM
Subject: RV-List: BIG BOXES!!
>
> Got the news today that my RV7A QB will ship out from Oregon in a few
days.
>
> I'll search the archives tonight, but does anybody have any clever little
> tricks for getting these REALLY BIG boxes off the truck and into my
> driveway????
>
> John McDonnell
>
>
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| From: | "Clifford Begnaud" <shoeless(at)barefootpilot.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Opinions Requested |
Tom,
It comes down to the mission.
If you want to do aerobatics, well, you know which one to get.
Most people that buy the 9 probably want a good cross country machine. I
have flown the 9 and several 6's. It was turbulent on every flight and the
difference in stability was noticeable. The 6 is more easily upset from it's
path and seems to wag it's tail. The 9 is just a more stable platform. The
price you pay for this is in the control sensitivity, particularly in the
roll axis. The roll axis of the 9 requires more effort and the roll rate is
not as fast. However, it is still a very sporty airplane and lots of fun to
fly.
If you would like, why not ask the employees at Van's which plane they
prefer to fly when they go cross country to fly-ins etc. Ask Tom Green which
one he likes to fly, ask Van which one he commutes in. Yes, I think the
answer to all these will be the 9.
One other reason that people buy the 9 is for it's slow speed handling and
short field capability. It's true that all RV's can take off and land short,
but the 9 just blows em away. It is really quite amazing how well it handles
at low speeds. I currently own a kitfox and when my 9 is flying, I'll still
be able to go flying with the other kitfoxes around here. None of the 6
pilots around here can fly with us. The 9 also stalls MUCH MUCH SLOWER than
the other RV's. This is a great safety feature. Particularly if you ever
have to do an off airport emergency landing.
At the time that I bought the 9, the 7 was not available. The clincher for
me at that time was the higher gross weight rating of the 9 over the 6. Now
the 7 is higher. (you can carry more stuff)
If I had to choose over again, it would be a much more difficult choice
because I really would like to able to do aerobatics.
Regards,
Cliff
www.barefootpilot.com
>
> I'm curious as to why the RV-9 builders decided on that model (when
compared
> to the RV-6). I'm torn again between the RV-7 and the RV-9A.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
> N787RV (reserved)
>
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| From: | Robert Blum <bob(at)theblums.net> |
| Subject: | Re: why fool with a Hobbs meter |
I put one in. It only weighs a few ounces, takes up negligable panel
space, Keeps great track of operating time, and serves as my oil change
reminder. And results in one less thing for me to compute (grin).
Of course, it is the one instrument that I always prayed would fail when I
was renting.
From: "Randy Compton" <rdcompton(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: speaking of Hobbs?
Imho, why even fool with a Hobbs meter at all?
I look at the panel-mounted clock in my RV-3 at the time I crank the engine.
Likewise, I note the time at shutdown and figure my time.
I got used to doing it this way when I went into the Navy (the U.S.
government didn't bother to put Hobbs meters in its jets.) Granted, it
takes a bit of getting used-to, but like other cockpit duties it will soon
become part of your habit pattern.
Also, it's one less gage to install and a little bit of weight saved.
Randy Compton
RV-3A N148CW
Gulf Breeze, FL
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| From: | "Tim Bryan" <timbryan(at)oregontrail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy side skirts |
> Van's later RV-6 slider canopy finish kits now include the "inside canopy
> brace strip" that Mike describes below. My finish kit (packed late May
2001)
> included these parts as item number # C-759 "Inside Canopy Skirt" - and
> coincidentally I drilled these to the inside of my canopy frame this
> afternoon.
Hi Jim,
Do you think if a person ordered these "Inside Canopy Skirts" they would
work on the pre May 2001 frames?
RV-6 Slider (N616TB Reserved) Finishing kit and waiting for engine
Tim Bryan
tim(at)bryantechnology.com
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| Subject: | Re: logbook on PC |
There are several out there, but the one I use is called DSSLog v1.37 and
can be found at
http://www.deloach.com/dsslog.htm
It's only $19.99 and I've been using it for a couple of years now. It uses
the MS Acess database engine so I figured I could always export the data if
he ever went out of business.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 120.4 hrs., Home Wing group photo with Ed Hicks at the coast today
www.rv-8.com
Home Wing VAF
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Bell" <dbell(at)manisteenational.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 5:41 AM
Subject: RV-List: logbook on PC
>
> Hey guys,
> I have relative looking for a flight logbook that is pc based so they can
> keep duplicate records. Anyone know of such a thing?
> Thanks
> Doug Bell
> 8 qb....golf season is getting close to being over here...:)
>
>
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| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
| Subject: | Opinions Requested |
Tom,
I chose the 9A over the 6 as I was more interested in the cross-country and
short field performance than I was the aerobatic capability. Had the 7 been
available when I was ready to buy, I would have most likely chosen it.
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Mosher
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:01 PM
Subject: RV-List: Opinions Requested
I'm curious as to why the RV-9 builders decided on that model (when compared
to the RV-6). I'm torn again between the RV-7 and the RV-9A.
Thanks
Tom
N787RV (reserved)
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| From: | "d. wayne stiles" <dwstiles(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | handheld computer question |
I am beginning to consider the purchase of a handheld computer, I'd be
interested in recommendations as to brand and model. My situation: It will
be a year or more before I'm ready for avaition applications; my workbook
publishing involves Apple/Mac computers almost exclusively; primary
immediate use will be as auxillary to a new iBook. I don't really want to
buy one now and then have to buy a second one in a year or two when we get
our 7.
I don't mind not having cutting edge tech---I'd rather let some one else
find all the bugs, particularly when flying----so which way would you go?
iPac, palm pilot, handspring, whatever. Wayne Stiles
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| From: | Mike Thompson <grobdriver(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve where? |
--- Rquinn1(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Please share this information with the rest of.
> Thanks
> Rollie & Rod
> RV6A
> Installing Canopy
Hey guys. I have put up some parking brake valve photos at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV-6and6A/files/%20Tips%2C%20Tricks%20%26%20Suggestions/
Let me know if you have questions.
Mike Thompson
Austin, TX
-6 N140RV (Reserved)
Firewall Forward
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| Subject: | handheld computer question |
Thread-Topic: RV-List: handheld computer question
Thread-Index: AcE4eAReJTyY/aPvEdWAOgAIxwleHwAAXrRg
| From: | "Reeves, Doug" <Douglas.Reeves(at)archongroup.com> |
Wayne, I own an iPaq and absolutely love it.
I wrote an article a few months ago that is online. It can be read at:
http://www.metronet.com/~dreeves/articles/ipaq/ipaq.htm
At least it will give my point of view.
Regards,
Doug R.
-----Original Message-----
From: d. wayne stiles [mailto:dwstiles(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 9:31 AM
Subject: RV-List: handheld computer question
I am beginning to consider the purchase of a handheld computer, I'd be
interested in recommendations as to brand and model. My situation: It
will
be a year or more before I'm ready for avaition applications; my
workbook
publishing involves Apple/Mac computers almost exclusively; primary
immediate use will be as auxillary to a new iBook. I don't really want
to
buy one now and then have to buy a second one in a year or two when we
get
our 7.
I don't mind not having cutting edge tech---I'd rather let some one
else
find all the bugs, particularly when flying----so which way would you
go?
iPac, palm pilot, handspring, whatever. Wayne Stiles
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| From: | "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com> |
| Subject: | Re: logbook on PC |
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Bell" <dbell(at)manisteenational.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 5:41 AM
Subject: RV-List: logbook on PC
>
> Hey guys,
> I have relative looking for a flight logbook that is pc based so they can
> keep duplicate records. Anyone know of such a thing?
> Thanks
> Doug Bell
> 8 qb....golf season is getting close to being over here...:)
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Murphy, Richard James (Rick)" <rjmurphy1(at)lucent.com> |
| Subject: | more stupid new builder questions... |
RV-4 HS.
How do I tell which way the ribs on my HS face (eg inboard or
outboard) from my drawings?
What should I get for a polishing/buffing wheel to remove those
nasty little scratches before priming?
What is a recommended combination of cleaner, etcher,primer for the
structural HS components?
Which was does the "tab" on the HS410 face (I guess it would be up
or down) when mounting, and how would I tell this from the drawings?
Has there been a change to the HS410? I scanned the archive and
there was some discussion to a change in 99. Or is it just when matching to
the fuse?
For anyone else that has an older RV4 kit the HS/VS bearing brackets
411/12/13 are available from Vans pre-build, out of steel instead of the
angle alum that came with older kits. Should be quicker than cutting,
building for only a couple of bucks.
thanks for the support,
Rick Murphy
RV4 HS
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| From: | Matthew Gelber <mgelber(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | White interior a bad idea? |
A recent post on the RV-list caught my attention... I recently bought paint
I was planning on using on the interior of my plane. It is almost exactly
the same color as Vans powdercoat. I figured if Vans was using it it should
be a good choice - but then KostaLewis' post made it sound like it was a bad
idea - that it would create a horrible glare on the inside of the canopy. I
hadn't thought of that - I thought white would be a good idea because it
might stay cooler than a darker color. Has anyone flown in an RV with a
white (actually, very light grey) interior? Is the glare bad?
No big deal if I made a bad choice - I just have to get new paint and take
of the windscreen so I can repaint the roll bar.
Matthew
8A finishing kit
N48PP reserved
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| From: | "Rob A" <racker(at)rmci.net> |
| Subject: | White interior a bad idea? |
I've flown in two RV-6's with very light grey interiors (rollbar, panel,
everything...). Absolutely no problem with glare, so I painted mine the
same color (I did use some flattening agent on the panel).
Rob Acker (RV-6).
>
> Has anyone flown in an RV with a
> white (actually, very light grey) interior? Is the glare bad?
>
> No big deal if I made a bad choice - I just have to get new paint and take
> of the windscreen so I can repaint the roll bar.
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| From: | "Haywire" <haywire(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Opinions Requested |
Hi Tom;
As has been said, if the "7" had been available, I might have chosen it,
simply due to the image that the "9" seems to have garnered as the "little
brother" to the "6" & "7". As it turns out, nothing could be further from
the truth. I definitely made the right choice for myself.
I intend on flying often into bush strips in the mountains, for which I
would have been better off with a Murphy Rebel, but I also want to go fast
in style (economically), on very long cross country trips (I've built aux.
tanks), so the "9" is a great compromise. If aerobatics is a concern, ask
yourself how often will you really be doing them and how serious of
aerobatics do you want to do. I've occasionally done mild aerobatics (no
neg. G's) in a C-150 & C-172, and I will probably do the same in the "9". If
I decide I want to do some real aerobatics I will build a Pitts.
If you are even considering the "9", then it is probably the right plane
for you as it will do something's as well as the "7" and something's allot
better.
S. Todd Bartrim
13B RV-9
C-FSTB (reserved)
Fuselage
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Mosher
> Sent: September 7, 2001 9:01 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Opinions Requested
>
>
> I'm curious as to why the RV-9 builders decided on that model
> (when compared
> to the RV-6). I'm torn again between the RV-7 and the RV-9A.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
> N787RV (reserved)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tampa Flyin Results |
Dear Listers,
there were supposed to be 5 aircraft here to give rides to the public. 2
couldn't make it for mechanical reasons. an Europa and a Zenith from Tampa
Bay Exec. the other 2 were from Peter O Knight and again they were an Europa
and A Zenith and the 3rd was a RV6A from clearwater whom i invided with very
little notice. before 10 o'clock, the Europa wouldn't start, and the Zenith
broke a breakline. leaving Jim Durling in the beautiful RV6A to give the
rides. Many people stepped out wearing the famous RV Grin. I didn't get a
chance to ride, so other people could experience flight in a homebuilt
aircraft. My brother Bruce said his flight was exilerating and the G's on the
takeoff climb will be forever engraved on his face.
Personal thanks goes to Jim for going out of his way to graciously give up
his Saturday and save the day by being the only plane left flying. If it
weren't for weather creeping up at his hometown airport, he would have
continued giving rides.
fellow, we are building the best aircraft kit on the market, i can't wait to
be flying and giving rides myself.
keep squishing those rivits, and get that thang flyin.
scott
tampa
rv6a finishing
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| From: | KBoatri144(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: White interior a bad idea? |
In a message dated 9/8/01 11:54:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mgelber(at)pacbell.net writes:
<< Has anyone flown in an RV with a
white (actually, very light grey) interior? Is the glare bad? >>
My interior paint is off-white, except for the glareshield and panel which
are black. In bright sunlight I get reflections that show in the canopy from
various painted surfaces, especially the canopy decks. Not a major probem,
but if I was going to do it again, I'd at least use a flattening additive on
the paint on the canopy frame and canopy decks.
Kyle Boatright
0-320/Aymar Demuth RV-6 Slider
Kennesaw, GA
http://www.angelfire.com/my/rv6
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| From: | Miller Robert <rmiller3(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Opinions Requested |
What engine are 9a builders choosing?
Clifford Begnaud wrote:
>
> Tom,
> It comes down to the mission.
> If you want to do aerobatics, well, you know which one to get.
>
> Most people that buy the 9 probably want a good cross country machine. I
> have flown the 9 and several 6's. It was turbulent on every flight and the
> difference in stability was noticeable. The 6 is more easily upset from it's
> path and seems to wag it's tail. The 9 is just a more stable platform. The
> price you pay for this is in the control sensitivity, particularly in the
> roll axis. The roll axis of the 9 requires more effort and the roll rate is
> not as fast. However, it is still a very sporty airplane and lots of fun to
> fly.
> If you would like, why not ask the employees at Van's which plane they
> prefer to fly when they go cross country to fly-ins etc. Ask Tom Green which
> one he likes to fly, ask Van which one he commutes in. Yes, I think the
> answer to all these will be the 9.
> One other reason that people buy the 9 is for it's slow speed handling and
> short field capability. It's true that all RV's can take off and land short,
> but the 9 just blows em away. It is really quite amazing how well it handles
> at low speeds. I currently own a kitfox and when my 9 is flying, I'll still
> be able to go flying with the other kitfoxes around here. None of the 6
> pilots around here can fly with us. The 9 also stalls MUCH MUCH SLOWER than
> the other RV's. This is a great safety feature. Particularly if you ever
> have to do an off airport emergency landing.
>
> At the time that I bought the 9, the 7 was not available. The clincher for
> me at that time was the higher gross weight rating of the 9 over the 6. Now
> the 7 is higher. (you can carry more stuff)
> If I had to choose over again, it would be a much more difficult choice
> because I really would like to able to do aerobatics.
> Regards,
> Cliff
> www.barefootpilot.com
>
> >
> > I'm curious as to why the RV-9 builders decided on that model (when
> compared
> > to the RV-6). I'm torn again between the RV-7 and the RV-9A.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tom
> > N787RV (reserved)
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "KostaLewis" <mikel(at)dimensional.com> |
| Subject: | Re: White interior a bad idea? |
>Has anyone flown in an RV with a white (actually, very light grey)
interior? Is the glare bad?
Matthew: Suzie Q has medium gray metal flake inside. I don't seem to get
much reflection from the interior itself, which may have to do with not much
of it in the area that reflects up into the canopy, and that it is not a
really light gray, and is slightly flat. The main problems, I think, are
bright shinny surfaces, especially chrome, and stuff that sticks up into the
vision area, such as the roll-over structure on the -4. The -6/7/9 may not
have as much of a problem as the canopy is a different shape and you don't
have a back seat passenger. Don't know; never been in one.
One of the first large canopy equiped tandem homebuilts was the EZ series.
The interior paint recommended was that (awful) flat, multicolored paint,
the name of which I can't remember. Part of that recommendation was to
avoid canopy reflections. And a lot of them are finished with that (awful)
paint.
Reflections on the canopy are not a serious problem, but tend to be quite
annoying, especially if you have to look at them a lot. Which means if you
fly a lot. There was a part of my GPS that was black but shinny black and
reflected exactly where I looked out most of the time. It has since been
made less shinny and it was a great improvement. A small shiny area reflects
on a lot of the canopy because of the curvature, basically a concave mirror.
And anything that distracts from the fantastic vision you get through these
canopies should be avoided.
Oh: I think a glossy white interior in a -4/8 is not a good idea. IMHO.
Michael
RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kenneth beene <kbeene(at)citilink.com> |
| Subject: | Re: more stupid new builder questions... |
>
I just started building an older RV-4 kit after finishing my RV-6A. Some of my
drawings
date from 12-8-80 and others are updated to 1-1-92. I ordered an update plan set
from
Van's a month ago but have not received them yet.
> Q. How do I tell which way the ribs on my HS face (eg inboard or
> outboard) from my drawings?
>
A. The ribs webs are shown as dashed lines near the edge of the rib on a top view.
This is shown on drawing 3a near the top of the drawing on the left side of the
HS. It
is not shown on the right side which is skinned.
>
> Q. What should I get for a polishing/buffing wheel to remove those
> nasty little scratches before priming?
>
A. Each person probably does this differently. I don't buff out minor scratches
that
are not through the alcad. I use emery cloth or the small 3M wheel in a die grinder
for
larger ones.
>
> Q. What is a recommended combination of cleaner, etcher,primer for the
> structural HS components?
>
A. It depends on your comfort level. Clean with a solvent before scuffing with
a 3M
pad so you don't rub in some contamination. Etch with aluminum prep. Alodine.
Paint
with epoxy primer. I think this is the best - also adds a lot of time and some
weight.
This is probably an overkill if you don't live in a coastal area.
>
> Q. Which was does the "tab" on the HS410 face (I guess it would be up
> or down) when mounting, and how would I tell this from the drawings?
>
A. The tab goes up. It connects to the spar on the VS. It will be easier to
connect
if you put the bend in the approximate angle before riveting to the HS spar.
>
> Q. Has there been a change to the HS410? I scanned the archive and
> there was some discussion to a change in 99. Or is it just when matching to
> the fuse?
>
A. HS410 has changed on later plans. The change is not for structural reasons,
it is
to make it easier to mate with the VS. I left mine as originally designed.
Ken
RV-6A N94KB
http://www.mninter.net/~kbeene/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com> |
| Subject: | Re: logbook on PC |
Weird...my link got stripped out...try this:
http://www.logshare.com
www.logshare.com
In case the links above get stripped out by the list server, go to: www .
logshare . com
Logshare is free and has lots of cool features like currency email
reminders, etc.
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: logbook on PC
>
>
> )_( Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Bell" <dbell(at)manisteenational.com>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 5:41 AM
> Subject: RV-List: logbook on PC
>
>
> >
> > Hey guys,
> > I have relative looking for a flight logbook that is pc based so they
can
> > keep duplicate records. Anyone know of such a thing?
> > Thanks
> > Doug Bell
> > 8 qb....golf season is getting close to being over here...:)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | wvu(at)mail.ameritel.net |
| Subject: | Re: White interior a bad idea? |
Matt,
My -6 instrument panel couldn't be lighter. It is offwhite and grossy. The
rest of the interior (seat cushions, side panels, baggage compartment) are
also light but slightly darker. No problems. Of course your -8 would have
more curvature to the canopy. Not sure what effect that would have.
Anh
N985VU
-6
Marylan
>
>A recent post on the RV-list caught my attention... I recently bought paint
>I was planning on using on the interior of my plane. It is almost exactly
>the same color as Vans powdercoat. I figured if Vans was using it it should
>be a good choice - but then KostaLewis' post made it sound like it was a bad
>idea - that it would create a horrible glare on the inside of the canopy. I
>hadn't thought of that - I thought white would be a good idea because it
>might stay cooler than a darker color. Has anyone flown in an RV with a
>white (actually, very light grey) interior? Is the glare bad?
>
>No big deal if I made a bad choice - I just have to get new paint and take
>of the windscreen so I can repaint the roll bar.
>
>Matthew
>8A finishing kit
>N48PP reserved
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owens, Laird" <Owens(at)aerovironment.com> |
| Subject: | Opinions Requested |
snip
Ask Tom Green which
one he likes to fly, ask Van which one he commutes in. Yes, I think the
answer to all these will be the 9.
snip
Cliff,
I saw Van commuting in the blue RV-8/Franklin when we were at Homecoming......Sure
didn't look like an RV-9a to me.
Laird
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Thomas Mosher" <tmosher(at)gbronline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Opinions Requested |
Thanks guys - the one thing I have decided on is a 150/160 HP O-320 for an
engine (I should have bought that O-320 with 475 TTSN I saw in the paper two
months ago for $7,000). So, I figure, it's better to go with the RV-9A with
the O-320 than an RV-7A with the same engine.
Tom
N787RV (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owens, Laird" <Owens(at)aerovironment.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Opinions Requested
>
>
>
> snip
>
> Ask Tom Green which
> one he likes to fly, ask Van which one he commutes in. Yes, I think the
> answer to all these will be the 9.
>
> snip
>
> Cliff,
>
> I saw Van commuting in the blue RV-8/Franklin when we were at
Homecoming......Sure didn't look like an RV-9a to me.
>
> Laird
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gordon or Marge Comfort" <gcomfo(at)tc3net.com> |
| Subject: | Re: White interior a bad idea? |
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Gelber <mgelber(at)pacbell.net>
Subject: RV-List: White interior a bad idea?
>
>A recent post on the RV-list caught my attention... I recently bought paint
>I was planning on using on the interior of my plane. It is almost exactly
>the same color as Vans powdercoat.
Matthew: Chrome would be not so good because of the direct reflection to
the eye. The problem with paint colors is not so much the direct
reflections as it is the reflections in the canopy. I have a medium gray on
my -4 and it still makes viewing difficult sometimes and photography even
worse. My next project will have a darker gray interior in an effort to
reduce the contrast between the interior and the outside light, especially
in direct sunlight. The powdercoated light gray parts I have for the -8
will be changed.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Bell" <dbell(at)manisteenational.com> |
| Subject: | Re: logbook on PC |
Thanks for the quick responses on the pc logbook.
I have a happy relative
Doug Bell
8qb
Manistee MI
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Checkoway <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: logbook on PC
>
> Weird...my link got stripped out...try this:
>
> http://www.logshare.com
> www.logshare.com
>
> In case the links above get stripped out by the list server, go to: www .
> logshare . com
>
> Logshare is free and has lots of cool features like currency email
> reminders, etc.
>
> )_( Dan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 8:21 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: logbook on PC
>
>
> >
> >
> > )_( Dan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Doug Bell" <dbell(at)manisteenational.com>
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 5:41 AM
> > Subject: RV-List: logbook on PC
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hey guys,
> > > I have relative looking for a flight logbook that is pc based so they
> can
> > > keep duplicate records. Anyone know of such a thing?
> > > Thanks
> > > Doug Bell
> > > 8 qb....golf season is getting close to being over here...:)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie and Tupper England <cengland(at)netdoor.com> |
| Subject: | Re: White interior a bad idea? |
Matthew Gelber wrote:
>
>
> A recent post on the RV-list caught my attention... I recently bought paint
> I was planning on using on the interior of my plane. It is almost exactly
> the same color as Vans powdercoat. I figured if Vans was using it it should
> be a good choice - but then KostaLewis' post made it sound like it was a bad
> idea - that it would create a horrible glare on the inside of the canopy. I
> hadn't thought of that - I thought white would be a good idea because it
> might stay cooler than a darker color. Has anyone flown in an RV with a
> white (actually, very light grey) interior? Is the glare bad?
>
> No big deal if I made a bad choice - I just have to get new paint and take
> of the windscreen so I can repaint the roll bar.
>
> Matthew
> 8A finishing kit
> N48PP reserved
>
N4375J had an all-white interior including the instrument
panel when I bought it. It was never an issue until someone
on this list was cruel enough to point out the problems. :-)
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Opinions Requested |
"Owens, Laird" wrote:
>
>
>
> snip
>
> Ask Tom Green which
> one he likes to fly, ask Van which one he commutes in. Yes, I think the
> answer to all these will be the 9.
>
> snip
>
> Cliff,
>
> I saw Van commuting in the blue RV-8/Franklin when we were at Homecoming......Sure
didn't look like an RV-9a to me.
>
> Laird
>
Living close to Van I see him fly whatever is left over after
the employees take their picks. :-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "C J Heitman" <cjh(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | parking brake valve where? |
Bert, I have also posted a few pictures of my Matco parking brake valve
installation. It is in an RV-9 but I imagine the RV-6 would be similar.
Here is the link: http://www.execpc.com/~cjh/brake_valve.html
Chris Heitman
Dousman WI
RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
wiring and building hangar
-----Original Message-----
The main question, where in heavens you bolt this little devil.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve where? |
chris
where did you get the parking brake? who sells them, that i cool set up!
scott
tampa
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Simpson <airtime(at)proaxis.com> |
| Subject: | Re: White interior a bad idea? |
>
>Matthew Gelber wrote:
>> A recent post on the RV-list caught my attention... I recently bought paint
>-----snip------
>> white (actually, very light grey) interior? Is the glare bad?
>>
>> No big deal if I made a bad choice - I just have to get new paint and take
>> of the windscreen so I can repaint the roll bar.
>>
>> Matthew
>> 8A finishing kit
>> N48PP reserved
>>
>N4375J had an all-white interior including the instrument
>panel when I bought it. It was never an issue until someone
>on this list was cruel enough to point out the problems. :-)
>
>Charlie
Matthew and list,
My Carrera Ultralight had an all white glossy panel when I bought it. It
has a long sloping windshield, with lots of panel below the plexiglas.
There is a small black turnandbank indicator in the middle of the white
panel, and in certain lighting conditions (most of them, actually), I
noticed there was a little peephole that had alot less glare where the
reflection of the turn and bank indicator was...Now my panel is all flat
black, and MUCH better with MUCH less glare...wouldn't have it any other
way, unless my plane was a hangar queen, which it's not...
Randy Simpson
Carrera UL flyer
titanium Ti-down maker
http://www.airtimemfg.com
p.s. Still have the RV Grin from Mike Segar's demo flight he gave me for a
titanium Ti-down kit...*smile* WOO HOO! that was AWESOME...thanks Mike!
pp.s. My best flying bud just bought an RV-6a. When he gets the bogus
alternator problem fixed, that RV grin will permanently be pasted on my
face...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owens, Laird" <Owens(at)aerovironment.com> |
| Subject: | Some Interesting Data (Long) |
"socal-rvlist"
Hi all,
Since I converted over to a Hartzell prop on my O-360/RV-6, I've wanted to do some
good data collection. I finally got a chance to go out last evening and collect
a little. (Like my boss sez...."Data is easy, GOOD data is hard"). Thought
some of you might be interested.
Two areas of interest to me are top speed (I want to start doing a little drag
reduction work soon and need a baseline speed) and range/endurance. I'm planning
on flying to the Las Cruces RV get together this weekend and it's a 600 mile
flight from LA. I wanted to see if I could make it without stopping.
I've always been conservative when flight planning, guessing 3.5 hrs (10 GPH with
reserve) and about a 600 mile range, but I've wanted to nail down the real
numbers for my airplane. So I went out and burned some gas trying to figure it
out. I came back with some interesting numbers.
The test was flown at 8000 feet density altitude (altimeter set to 29.92 and corrected
for OAT, which was 22 C, which meant I'd fly at 5875 feet) and at different
airspeeds to collect the fuel flow information. I then put that into a
graph to determine best range and endurance. Engine RPM was 2400 and the engine
leaned to peak on the hottest cylinder (I know....that may not be the leanest
cylinder).
Know errors that I can't account for right now are static and instrumentation errors,
so the numbers may be a little off here or there. After selecting a power
setting and airspeed, I flew the airspeed and looked for elevation changes,
and then adjust the power accordingly. I'd then lean to peak, then let everything
stabilize and again make any small adjustments to the power setting. After
getting to that stage, I'd note fuel flow, IAS, MP, and then do a 3 way GPS
run to get TAS. I ran all these data points on one flight, so the upper speeds
may be off a little due to a lower aircraft weight due to the gas being used
during the flight. (I started at the lower airspeeds first). I flew points
between 90 mph IAS and full throttle at 10 mph intervals. It turned out to be
a good evening with almost no turbulence and under 3 mph of wind at the test
altitude. I was pleased with the data I got, as it all fit pretty well and
came up with some believable curves (i.e. no data points way off the fit curve).
After doing some number crunching and graphing, it looks like the max endurance
of the airplane comes at 100 mph IAS/112 mph TAS with a fuel flow of 5.0 GPH.
Assuming a 6 gal reserve, that leaves 32 gallons usable. That gives a 6.4 hr
endurance (my butt can't sit in the seat that long) and a 716 mile range, which
is 22.4 MPG. I should note that the engine wasn't very happy at this power
setting, as it would skip every once in a while (probably a lean miss). Also
the fuel flow meter was a little flaky near these power settings, fluctuating
between 4 to 6. I just took the average of what I saw. It wasn't until I was
flowing around 6 GPH that the flow meter settled down.
The best range comes at 125 mph IAS/ 148 mph TAS with a fuel flow of 5.5 GPH. Using
the same reserve, I get 5.8 hrs and a 858 mile range, which is 26.8 MPG.
(I still can't sit in the seat that long).
So pushing it up a little to 8 GPH yields a 4 hour endurance (not including reserve)
at 160 mph IAS/ 185 TAS for a 740 mile range and 23.1 MPG.
Full throttle comes out at 9.6 GPH and 174 mph IAS/200 TAS with a 3.3 hr endurance
and a 660 mile range and a 20.6 MPG
The last test was full throttle/2700 rpm and it was 11.7 GPH and 207 TAS. This
was only one data point on this day, I need to do this several more times to
average the speeds to try to get a more accurate number, but it's a start.
This is a about an 11 mph speed gain over the Sensenich 72FM fixed pitch prop I
had on before (which was an 83" pitch). The main difference is that I can use
full throttle with the Hartzell. At 8000 DA and the Sensenich, I still had
another 3" of MP left to go, but would be at the 2700 rpm limit.
Again, this was data taken on this one day, for my airplane, and is probably subject
to several different errors (my flying included), but it should be close.
It does provide an interesting comparison of FF vs TAS. I'd like to repeat
this test at a higher altitude and see some of the effects as well, but that'll
have to wait until another day.
Laird
RV-6 340 hrs
SoCal
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard McCraw" <rmccraw(at)wcvt.com> |
| Subject: | White interior a bad idea? |
Flying Magazine (specifically Thomas Block) alluded to airliner cockpit
colors in a recent article on Aeroflot. If memory serves (as it often
doesn't), Boeing uses a gray color and Ilyushin uses something that seemed
like a sky blue. Check the article before quoting me.
Rick McCraw
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary & Carolyn Zilik <zilik(at)bewellnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bart Lalonde Engines |
Norman wrote:
>
> Are Bart's engines considered better than a new OEM from Van?
Some people, including myself, would say yes.
>
>
> How many ponies does one of his O-360's end up with if converted to
> Airflow Performance fuel injection and dual Lasar electronic ignitions?
180 HP. Fuel injection and electronic ignition do not make more horsepower.
>
>
> If money was no object, what would you put in a RV6A?
> (Don't read me wrong, I'm a working class guy, I just want to know what
> is the best out there and SMA hasn't answered any of my emails in
> months)
Bart's O-360 with Superior Millenium cylinders flow matched, 10:1 pistons,
Carburator. Standard Mags.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard McCraw" <rmccraw(at)wcvt.com> |
| Subject: | handheld computer question |
Wayne,
I've been using computers (a *lot*, mostly professionally) since around
1971. I haven't used any handhelds but a Palm, but I have to say the Palm
OS is the most bullet-proof operating system I've seen, small computer or
large.
For me, reliability beats pizzazz any day. (That said, I don't know how
Windows CE is.)
Rick McCraw
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "C J Heitman" <cjh(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | parking brake valve where? |
Scott,
I bought it from Aircraft Spruce for $98.80 on 2/27/01. They also carry the
Cleveland valve but it was quite a bit more expensive. The Matco seems well
made.
Speaking of Aircraft Spruce, I just happened to notice that they charged me
6% sales tax at Oshkosh instead of 5% like all the other vendors were
charging. So let's see, if they did $500,000 in sales during the show that's
an extra $5,000. Probably paid for the booth rental.
Chris Heitman
Dousman WI
RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
http://www.execpc.com/~cjh/brake_valve.html
-----Original Message-----
where did you get the parking brake? who sells them, that i cool set up!
scott
tampa
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AV8TURDON(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Some Interesting Data (Long) |
Laird,
Was this data with a Constant Speed Hartzell? Or a Fixed pitch. And
what does your plane weigh?
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | F1 rocket fit for sale still for sale MUST SELL |
F1 rocket kit for sale
Kit is partionally finished, excellent workmanship as the work was done by
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Kit includes complete RV8 tail. Just has to be mounted and finished.
Kit also includes the following
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Vetterman Stainless exhust
heat shielding
areoflash strobes
I have pictures that can be emailed to anyone. I have about 35000 into the
kit. I need to make up for a short fall in income since i am owed 30,000 by
a company that went bankrupt. Please email me or call for details on the
kit.
Chris wilcox
(920) 858-7561
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douglas G. Murray" <dgmurray(at)telusplanet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
Listers:
I just did my weight computations for my RV-6 and found that the left main
gear is 17# heavier than the right main. I switched the aircraft scales from
side to side and reweighed the aircraft - same thing. I have one landing
light on the port wing, and all electric gyros on the left side of the
panel. Would these items acount for the extra weight on the port side? Am I
just being picky? The last RV-6 built in this area came out within two
pounds side to side so I am a bit dismayed to see these numbers on my
aircraft. The aircraft came out at 1072# no fuel, all painted and
upholstered. How does this compare to the rest of your aircraft?
Your input is appreciated.
Douglas G. Murray
Southern Alberta
RV-6 really getting close to final inspection time
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Murphy, Richard James (Rick)" <rjmurphy1(at)lucent.com> |
| Subject: | more stupid new builder questions... |
Ken,
Thanks for the info. I have another stupid question...
I'm ready to cut the lightening holes in my HS ribs. How much is acceptable
to cut out?
My fly cutter makes its smallest cut at 1 3/4''. It looks to me like the
interior of the flange in the rib is 1 1/2'', how much am I allowed to cut
out of the ribs before I've cut too much.
Rick
> ----------
> From: kenneth beene[SMTP:kbeene(at)citilink.com]
> Reply To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 1:54 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: more stupid new builder questions...
>
>
>
> >
>
> I just started building an older RV-4 kit after finishing my RV-6A. Some
> of my drawings
> date from 12-8-80 and others are updated to 1-1-92. I ordered an update
> plan set from
> Van's a month ago but have not received them yet.
>
> > Q. How do I tell which way the ribs on my HS face (eg inboard or
> > outboard) from my drawings?
> >
>
> A. The ribs webs are shown as dashed lines near the edge of the rib on a
> top view.
> This is shown on drawing 3a near the top of the drawing on the left side
> of the HS. It
> is not shown on the right side which is skinned.
>
> >
> > Q. What should I get for a polishing/buffing wheel to remove
> those
> > nasty little scratches before priming?
> >
>
> A. Each person probably does this differently. I don't buff out minor
> scratches that
> are not through the alcad. I use emery cloth or the small 3M wheel in a
> die grinder for
> larger ones.
>
> >
> > Q. What is a recommended combination of cleaner, etcher,primer
> for the
> > structural HS components?
> >
>
> A. It depends on your comfort level. Clean with a solvent before
> scuffing with a 3M
> pad so you don't rub in some contamination. Etch with aluminum prep.
> Alodine. Paint
> with epoxy primer. I think this is the best - also adds a lot of time and
> some weight.
> This is probably an overkill if you don't live in a coastal area.
>
> >
> > Q. Which was does the "tab" on the HS410 face (I guess it would
> be up
> > or down) when mounting, and how would I tell this from the drawings?
> >
>
> A. The tab goes up. It connects to the spar on the VS. It will be
> easier to connect
> if you put the bend in the approximate angle before riveting to the HS
> spar.
>
> >
> > Q. Has there been a change to the HS410? I scanned the archive
> and
> > there was some discussion to a change in 99. Or is it just when matching
> to
> > the fuse?
> >
>
> A. HS410 has changed on later plans. The change is not for structural
> reasons, it is
> to make it easier to mate with the VS. I left mine as originally
> designed.
>
> Ken
> RV-6A N94KB
> http://www.mninter.net/~kbeene/
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Eaves" <doneaves(at)midsouth.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: White interior a bad idea? |
Matthew>>
My panel and interior are White.
For a look go to Steve Davis Web Site @
http://members.aol.com/panelcut/RVpanels.htm
No Problem with glare after 67 Hours
Don Eaves RV6
"Has anyone flown in an RV with a white (actually, very light grey)
interior? Is the glare bad?"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jayeandscott" <jayeandscott(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: White interior a bad idea? |
I think that multi-flecked flat black paint is used on pickup-truck beds and
in auto trunks. Found it made the panel very busy indeed..
Scott in Vancouver
----- Original Message -----
From: KostaLewis <mikel(at)dimensional.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: White interior a bad idea?
>
> >Has anyone flown in an RV with a white (actually, very light grey)
> interior? Is the glare bad?
>
> Matthew: Suzie Q has medium gray metal flake inside. I don't seem to get
> much reflection from the interior itself, which may have to do with not
much
> of it in the area that reflects up into the canopy, and that it is not a
> really light gray, and is slightly flat. The main problems, I think, are
> bright shinny surfaces, especially chrome, and stuff that sticks up into
the
> vision area, such as the roll-over structure on the -4. The -6/7/9 may not
> have as much of a problem as the canopy is a different shape and you don't
> have a back seat passenger. Don't know; never been in one.
>
> One of the first large canopy equiped tandem homebuilts was the EZ series.
> The interior paint recommended was that (awful) flat, multicolored paint,
> the name of which I can't remember. Part of that recommendation was to
> avoid canopy reflections. And a lot of them are finished with that (awful)
> paint.
>
> Reflections on the canopy are not a serious problem, but tend to be quite
> annoying, especially if you have to look at them a lot. Which means if you
> fly a lot. There was a part of my GPS that was black but shinny black and
> reflected exactly where I looked out most of the time. It has since been
> made less shinny and it was a great improvement. A small shiny area
reflects
> on a lot of the canopy because of the curvature, basically a concave
mirror.
> And anything that distracts from the fantastic vision you get through
these
> canopies should be avoided.
>
> Oh: I think a glossy white interior in a -4/8 is not a good idea. IMHO.
>
> Michael
> RV-4 N232 Suzie Q
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary A. Sobek" <rv6flier(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
--- "Douglas G. Murray" wrote:
>
>
> Listers:
>
> I just did my weight computations for my RV-6 and found that the left
> main
> gear is 17# heavier than the right main. I switched the aircraft
> scales from
> side to side and reweighed the aircraft - same thing. I have one
> landing
> light on the port wing, and all electric gyros on the left side of
> the
> panel. Would these items acount for the extra weight on the port
> side? Am I
> just being picky? The last RV-6 built in this area came out within
> two
> pounds side to side so I am a bit dismayed to see these numbers on my
> aircraft. The aircraft came out at 1072# no fuel, all painted and
> upholstered. How does this compare to the rest of your aircraft?
>
> Your input is appreciated.
>
> Douglas G. Murray
> Southern Alberta
>
> RV-6 really getting close to final inspection time
Doug:
How did you get it so close?
My RV-6 has the following data points.
Right 505 @ 60
Left 524 @ 59.8125
Tail 65 @ 239.75
Total 1094
This is 8 pounds heaver than it was without paint. Includes Sliding
canopy, basic IFR (Vacuum gyro + electric TC), RMD landing lights,
carpeting, seats, arm rests, 5 quarts oil, and 1 gallon of unusable
fuel (1/2 gallon each side).
Been flying that way since 19 September 1997. Will hit 1,000 hours
before the end of the year.
====
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
942+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.tripod.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
| Subject: | Hartzell CS prop |
Does anybody know if I am correct in thinking that the prop blade numbers
(i.e. F7663) mean that the pitch in full coarse is 76" and in full fine is
63"?
Greg Tanner
RV-9A Tanks
SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
O-320 D1A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kenneth beene <kbeene(at)citilink.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
> How does this compare to the rest of your aircraft?
>
My RV-6A is 1056 lb.. Painted, O-320 with wood prop and IFR panel. The right
gear is 5.9 lb. heavier than the left. It is important to roll the plane on to
the scales.
Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kenneth beene <kbeene(at)citilink.com> |
| Subject: | Re: more stupid new builder questions... |
>
>
> I'm ready to cut the lightening holes in my HS ribs. How much is acceptable
> to cut out?
>
> My fly cutter makes its smallest cut at 1 3/4''. It looks to me like the
> interior of the flange in the rib is 1 1/2'', how much am I allowed to cut
> out of the ribs before I've cut too much.
I cut mine to 1.4". Cut to the inside of the embossed area. If your fly cutter
is too
large, use your Unibit and cut to 1" or just leave these 6 holes uncut.
Ken N94KB
http://www.mninter.net/~kbeene/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
I would venture to say that maybe some of your equipment is more to one side
than the other BUT in all probability if you establish a fuselage center
line on the floor and measure how far out from this center line the main
wheel distances, you might fine that one wheel is further from the center
line than the other. Same goes for the nose or tail wheel, it might be off
from the center of the fuselage thus loading one side more than the other.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary A. Sobek" <rv6flier(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT???
--- "Douglas G. Murray" wrote:
>
>
> Listers:
>
> I just did my weight computations for my RV-6 and found that the left
> main
> gear is 17# heavier than the right main. I switched the aircraft
> scales from
> side to side and reweighed the aircraft - same thing. I have one
> landing
> light on the port wing, and all electric gyros on the left side of
> the
> panel. Would these items acount for the extra weight on the port
> side? Am I
> just being picky? The last RV-6 built in this area came out within
> two
> pounds side to side so I am a bit dismayed to see these numbers on my
> aircraft. The aircraft came out at 1072# no fuel, all painted and
> upholstered. How does this compare to the rest of your aircraft?
>
> Your input is appreciated.
>
> Douglas G. Murray
> Southern Alberta
>
> RV-6 really getting close to final inspection time
Doug:
How did you get it so close?
My RV-6 has the following data points.
Right 505 @ 60
Left 524 @ 59.8125
Tail 65 @ 239.75
Total 1094
This is 8 pounds heaver than it was without paint. Includes Sliding
canopy, basic IFR (Vacuum gyro + electric TC), RMD landing lights,
carpeting, seats, arm rests, 5 quarts oil, and 1 gallon of unusable
fuel (1/2 gallon each side).
Been flying that way since 19 September 1997. Will hit 1,000 hours
before the end of the year.
====
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
942+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.tripod.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Besing" <azpilot(at)extremezone.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
Mine was 8 pounds difference on both sides. I wouldn't sweat the
difference.
Paul Besing
RV-6A N197AB Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Flying
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas G. Murray" <dgmurray(at)telusplanet.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:15 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT???
>
> Listers:
>
> I just did my weight computations for my RV-6 and found that the left main
> gear is 17# heavier than the right main. I switched the aircraft scales
from
> side to side and reweighed the aircraft - same thing. I have one landing
> light on the port wing, and all electric gyros on the left side of the
> panel. Would these items acount for the extra weight on the port side? Am
I
> just being picky? The last RV-6 built in this area came out within two
> pounds side to side so I am a bit dismayed to see these numbers on my
> aircraft. The aircraft came out at 1072# no fuel, all painted and
> upholstered. How does this compare to the rest of your aircraft?
>
> Your input is appreciated.
>
> Douglas G. Murray
> Southern Alberta
>
> RV-6 really getting close to final inspection time
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Hartzell CS prop |
>
>Does anybody know if I am correct in thinking that the prop blade numbers
>(i.e. F7663) mean that the pitch in full coarse is 76" and in full fine is
>63"?
>
>Greg Tanner
>RV-9A Tanks
>SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
>O-320 D1A
Greg,
I don't think their numbers work like that. They have too many other blade
numbers that wouldn't fit that mold (e.g F7693, F7214, etc).
In any case, the prop hub has fine and coarse pitch stops that are set
specifically for each application. This gives the required pitch change
range for that aircraft type, while minimizing the effects of failures that
take you to one of the pitch stops. So, the pitch range of a prop with
F7663 blades will depend on how the hub is set up.
Hartzell has some interesting info on their web site. Go to:
http://www.hartzellprop.com/resource_library/sitelinks_appguide.htm
Type Van into the Aircraft Manufacturer field, leave the rest blank and
submit the form.
Take care,
Kevin Horton RV-8 (engine installation)
khorton(at)cyberus.ca (613) 821-7862 (home)
Ottawa, Canada (613) 952-4319 (work)
http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
>
>Listers:
>
>I just did my weight computations for my RV-6 and found that the left main
>gear is 17# heavier than the right main. I switched the aircraft scales from
>side to side and reweighed the aircraft - same thing. I have one landing
>light on the port wing, and all electric gyros on the left side of the
>panel. Would these items acount for the extra weight on the port side? Am I
>just being picky? The last RV-6 built in this area came out within two
>pounds side to side so I am a bit dismayed to see these numbers on my
>aircraft. The aircraft came out at 1072# no fuel, all painted and
>upholstered. How does this compare to the rest of your aircraft?
>
>Your input is appreciated.
>
>Douglas G. Murray
>Southern Alberta
Oh oh. You'd better let me fly it for a year or two to make sure there are
no issues caused by that asymmetry. I'll do an extensive test program and
report back to you. :-)
I think you are worrying too much. Go flying.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (engine installation)
khorton(at)cyberus.ca (613) 821-7862 (home)
Ottawa, Canada (613) 952-4319 (work)
http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
| Subject: | Hartzell CS prop |
Thanks Kevin,
Next question. What does "LOW/LOWPP" and "FEATHER/HIGH" mean on their chart.
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell CS prop
>
>Does anybody know if I am correct in thinking that the prop blade numbers
>(i.e. F7663) mean that the pitch in full coarse is 76" and in full fine is
>63"?
>
>Greg Tanner
>RV-9A Tanks
>SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
>O-320 D1A
Greg,
I don't think their numbers work like that. They have too many other blade
numbers that wouldn't fit that mold (e.g F7693, F7214, etc).
In any case, the prop hub has fine and coarse pitch stops that are set
specifically for each application. This gives the required pitch change
range for that aircraft type, while minimizing the effects of failures that
take you to one of the pitch stops. So, the pitch range of a prop with
F7663 blades will depend on how the hub is set up.
Hartzell has some interesting info on their web site. Go to:
http://www.hartzellprop.com/resource_library/sitelinks_appguide.htm
Type Van into the Aircraft Manufacturer field, leave the rest blank and
submit the form.
Take care,
Kevin Horton RV-8 (engine installation)
khorton(at)cyberus.ca (613) 821-7862 (home)
Ottawa, Canada (613) 952-4319 (work)
http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Thomas Mosher" <tmosher(at)gbronline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hartzell CS prop |
If you want to find out the certification specs on an HC-C2YL-1BF/F7663A-4
(the one Van shows in the accessories catalog) take a look at Type
Certificate Data Sheet P-920 (unfortunately the damn FAA site that the TCDS
are on is down (again)).
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton(at)cyberus.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell CS prop
>
> >
> >Does anybody know if I am correct in thinking that the prop blade numbers
> >(i.e. F7663) mean that the pitch in full coarse is 76" and in full fine
is
> >63"?
> >
> >Greg Tanner
> >RV-9A Tanks
> >SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
> >O-320 D1A
>
>
> Greg,
>
> I don't think their numbers work like that. They have too many other
blade
> numbers that wouldn't fit that mold (e.g F7693, F7214, etc).
>
> In any case, the prop hub has fine and coarse pitch stops that are set
> specifically for each application. This gives the required pitch change
> range for that aircraft type, while minimizing the effects of failures
that
> take you to one of the pitch stops. So, the pitch range of a prop with
> F7663 blades will depend on how the hub is set up.
>
> Hartzell has some interesting info on their web site. Go to:
>
> http://www.hartzellprop.com/resource_library/sitelinks_appguide.htm
>
> Type Van into the Aircraft Manufacturer field, leave the rest blank and
> submit the form.
>
> Take care,
>
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (engine installation)
> khorton(at)cyberus.ca (613) 821-7862 (home)
> Ottawa, Canada (613) 952-4319 (work)
> http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <enewton57(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
Hi Douglas,
Just did mine also. Mine came out with 9 lbs difference between the mains. Empty
weight without paint was 1,070 lbs. Its heavy with leather seats, insulation
and carpeting and padding plus it has a backup battery. It has basic IFR
vacuum gyros and elect T&B. It also has a navaid and the servo is mounted in
the left wingtip. Its heavy but its mine ;>)
Eric Newton - Long Beach, MS
RV-6A - N57ME (final details before inspection)
www.ericsrv6a.com
-----Original Message-----
From: "owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com" <owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com>
on behalf of "Douglas G. Murray"
Subject: RV-List: Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT???
Listers:
I just did my weight computations for my RV-6 and found that the left main
gear is 17# heavier than the right main. I switched the aircraft scales from
side to side and reweighed the aircraft - same thing. I have one landing
light on the port wing, and all electric gyros on the left side of the
panel. Would these items acount for the extra weight on the port side? Am I
just being picky? The last RV-6 built in this area came out within two
pounds side to side so I am a bit dismayed to see these numbers on my
aircraft. The aircraft came out at 1072# no fuel, all painted and
upholstered. How does this compare to the rest of your aircraft?
Your input is appreciated.
Douglas G. Murray
Southern Alberta
RV-6 really getting close to final inspection time
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Hartzell CS prop |
Greg
No, according to my owner's manual the blade numbers decode as follows:
The prefix can be up to 3 letters. "F" is large pitch change knob Y shank
The first 2 or 3 digits indicate initial design diameter in inches
The last 2 digits indicate basic model or template.
The suffix letters are various modifications.
The dash number is the diameter reduction from the basic design.
A letter following the dash number indicates a tip configuration mod.
So the O-320 F7663-4 blades are 72 inch diameter (76" initial minus 4") with
no mods to the basic design. My O-360 F7666A4 blades were 72" dia. with a
blade cuff modification.
The hub identification is much more complex but I don't see anything that
addresses pitch in inches, only as configuration types. The actual pitch
limits are set by the high and low pitch stops and can be adjusted.
Regards,
Greg Young
RV-6 N6GY Houston (DWH) replacement pending
searching for Navion
>
> Does anybody know if I am correct in thinking that the prop
> blade numbers
> (i.e. F7663) mean that the pitch in full coarse is 76" and in
> full fine is
> 63"?
>
> Greg Tanner
> RV-9A Tanks
> SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
> O-320 D1A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bernie Kerr" <kerrjb(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
It is probably the landing light primarily. If I hang a 3 pound item on the
wing tip and the tires are 6 feet apart, the left tire will weigh about 15
pound more. Not a big deal, go fly and enjoy it. Try weighing it with you
solo if you want to really see a big difference!
Bernie Kerr, 6A, SE Fla
From: "Douglas G. Murray" <dgmurray(at)telusplanet.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:15 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT???
>
> Listers:
>
> I just did my weight computations for my RV-6 and found that the left main
> gear is 17# heavier than the right main. I switched the aircraft scales
from
> side to side and reweighed the aircraft - same thing. I have one landing
> light on the port wing, and all electric gyros on the left side of the
> panel. Would these items acount for the extra weight on the port side? Am
I
> just being picky? The last RV-6 built in this area came out within two
> pounds side to side so I am a bit dismayed to see these numbers on my
> aircraft. The aircraft came out at 1072# no fuel, all painted and
> upholstered. How does this compare to the rest of your aircraft?
>
> Your input is appreciated.
>
> Douglas G. Murray
> Southern Alberta
>
> RV-6 really getting close to final inspection time
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | Hartzell CS prop |
Those are the settings of the low and high pitch stops in the hub, in degrees.
Kevin
>
>Thanks Kevin,
>Next question. What does "LOW/LOWPP" and "FEATHER/HIGH" mean on their chart.
>
>Greg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
>Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 8:45 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell CS prop
>
>
> >
> >Does anybody know if I am correct in thinking that the prop blade numbers
> >(i.e. F7663) mean that the pitch in full coarse is 76" and in full fine is
> >63"?
> >
> >Greg Tanner
> >RV-9A Tanks
> >SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
> >O-320 D1A
>
>
>Greg,
>
>I don't think their numbers work like that. They have too many other blade
>numbers that wouldn't fit that mold (e.g F7693, F7214, etc).
>
>In any case, the prop hub has fine and coarse pitch stops that are set
>specifically for each application. This gives the required pitch change
>range for that aircraft type, while minimizing the effects of failures that
>take you to one of the pitch stops. So, the pitch range of a prop with
>F7663 blades will depend on how the hub is set up.
>
>Hartzell has some interesting info on their web site. Go to:
>
>http://www.hartzellprop.com/resource_library/sitelinks_appguide.htm
>
>Type Van into the Aircraft Manufacturer field, leave the rest blank and
>submit the form.
>
>Take care,
>
>
>Kevin Horton RV-8 (engine installation)
>khorton(at)cyberus.ca (613) 821-7862 (home)
>Ottawa, Canada (613) 952-4319 (work)
>http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | efortner <efortner(at)vnet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: more stupid new builder questions... |
what section of the country are you located in rick?
"Murphy, Richard James (Rick)" wrote:
>
> RV-4 HS.
>
> How do I tell which way the ribs on my HS face (eg inboard or
> outboard) from my drawings?
>
> What should I get for a polishing/buffing wheel to remove those
> nasty little scratches before priming?
>
> What is a recommended combination of cleaner, etcher,primer for the
> structural HS components?
>
> Which was does the "tab" on the HS410 face (I guess it would be up
> or down) when mounting, and how would I tell this from the drawings?
>
> Has there been a change to the HS410? I scanned the archive and
> there was some discussion to a change in 99. Or is it just when matching to
> the fuse?
>
> For anyone else that has an older RV4 kit the HS/VS bearing brackets
> 411/12/13 are available from Vans pre-build, out of steel instead of the
> angle alum that came with older kits. Should be quicker than cutting,
> building for only a couple of bucks.
>
> thanks for the support,
>
> Rick Murphy
> RV4 HS
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Bundy" <ebundy(at)velocitus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
Mine has a difference of 8lbs from right to left wheel. Is your landing
light at or near the wingtip? I would think that with that kind of arm you
might get a couple of pounds difference on that side. I have a full-up
weight of 1018# with paint, interior, FP metal prop, and partial IFR panel.
I was militant about weight during the construction.
Ed Bundy - RV6A N427EM 400+ hours
160hp 0320 w/Sensenich 70x78
Eagle, ID
ebundy(at)velocitus.net
> I just did my weight computations for my RV-6 and found that the left main
> gear is 17# heavier than the right main. I switched the aircraft scales
from
> side to side and reweighed the aircraft - same thing. I have one landing
> light on the port wing, and all electric gyros on the left side of the
> panel. Would these items acount for the extra weight on the port side? Am
I
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Thompson <grobdriver(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Prop Spinner Front Bulkhead |
Would like to get the list.wisdom on mounting my spinner on a Sensenich
fixed-pitch metal prop.
I have the cutouts perfect but it did not intially contact the front
bulkhead (the correct bulkhead for the prop).
In Tony's "Bingelis on Engines" he recommends pushing the front
bulkhead out using washers between prop and bulkhead. I have found two
washers gets everything fitting nicely.
OTOH, my Technical Counselor is nervous about spacing out the front
bulkhead - cites reduced thread count holding on the prop. Those two
washers =~ 7/16" thickness.
Need help reconciling the two viewpoints. Have seen web sites where
folks have built up the front bulkhead with everything from fiberglass
to bondo. Tony mentions those as options along with the spacing
method... I have to wonder why those folks didn't space out their
bulkhead.
Anyone spaced theirs with good results (which would be, prop hasn't
since flown off the aircraft)?
:)
Thanks.
Mike Thompson
Austin, TX
-6 N140RV (Reserved)
Firewall Forward
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Murphy, Richard James (Rick)" <rjmurphy1(at)lucent.com> |
| Subject: | more stupid new builder questions... |
Hunterdon Cty NJ
> ----------
> From: efortner[SMTP:efortner(at)vnet.net]
> Reply To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:50 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: more stupid new builder questions...
>
>
> what section of the country are you located in rick?
>
> "Murphy, Richard James (Rick)" wrote:
>
>
> >
> > RV-4 HS.
> >
> > How do I tell which way the ribs on my HS face (eg inboard or
> > outboard) from my drawings?
> >
> > What should I get for a polishing/buffing wheel to remove those
> > nasty little scratches before priming?
> >
> > What is a recommended combination of cleaner, etcher,primer for
> the
> > structural HS components?
> >
> > Which was does the "tab" on the HS410 face (I guess it would be
> up
> > or down) when mounting, and how would I tell this from the drawings?
> >
> > Has there been a change to the HS410? I scanned the archive and
> > there was some discussion to a change in 99. Or is it just when matching
> to
> > the fuse?
> >
> > For anyone else that has an older RV4 kit the HS/VS bearing
> brackets
> > 411/12/13 are available from Vans pre-build, out of steel instead of the
> > angle alum that came with older kits. Should be quicker than cutting,
> > building for only a couple of bucks.
> >
> > thanks for the support,
> >
> > Rick Murphy
> > RV4 HS
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | gert <gert(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve where? |
Hi Chris
Did you ever look into banjo couplings for the brakevalve..??
Gert
C J Heitman wrote:
>
>
> Scott,
>
> I bought it from Aircraft Spruce for $98.80 on 2/27/01. They also carry the
> Cleveland valve but it was quite a bit more expensive. The Matco seems well
> made.
>
> Speaking of Aircraft Spruce, I just happened to notice that they charged me
> 6% sales tax at Oshkosh instead of 5% like all the other vendors were
> charging. So let's see, if they did $500,000 in sales during the show that's
> an extra $5,000. Probably paid for the booth rental.
>
> Chris Heitman
> Dousman WI
> RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
> http://www.execpc.com/~cjh/brake_valve.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> where did you get the parking brake? who sells them, that i cool set up!
> scott
> tampa
>
--
is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "C J Heitman" <cjh(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | parking brake valve where? |
Gert:
I looked but couldn't find banjo bolts with 1/8 NPT pipe threads.
Chris Heitman
RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
http://www.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html
-----Original Message-----
Did you ever look into banjo couplings for the brakevalve..??
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robert McCallum <robert.mccallum2(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve where? |
The first few products on the following page are banjo bolts which MAY
be suitable. They are G-1/8 thread which is the metric equivalent to 1/8
NPT and is generally interchangeable. (i.e. they thread into one
another) This does not address the actual banjo fitting however, only
the bolt. For whatever it may be worth here is the link.
http://catalog.festo.com/enu/asp/default4.asp
Festo is German company recognized around the world as a manufacturer of
top quality components with distributors is most major countries. They
have 13 major distribution centres in the US and 4 in Canada which can
be found at;
http://www.festo.com/fww/eng/worldwide.htm
Bob McC
C J Heitman wrote:
>
> Gert:
>
> I looked but couldn't find banjo bolts with 1/8 NPT pipe threads.
>
> Chris Heitman
> RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
> http://www.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charles Brame <charleyb(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RV-List:Canopy Side Skirts |
Tim,
I ain't Jim, but I didn't see his response, so though I would chime in
with my $.02 worth.
I ordered the C-759 Skirt Braces from Van's and have them installed on
my 6A Slider (1999 version.) They fit fine. They come as pre-bent solid
strips about 20 inches long. I cut out a series of one inch lightening
holes in each. I also curved the top of the brace to conform to the
curve of the inside of the canopy side rail. By the way, I also ordered
the RV-7 pre-formed dog house cap which fits over the slide track where
the aft skirts meet. Part # is C-792. Looks a lot better than my home
made version did.
I had all sorts of problems with my first set of slider side skirts.
Basically they bowed out badly. I ordered another set from Van's and
started over. To keep the skirts from bowing, I started the skirt
mounting holes in the middle and worked toward the ends, using a hole
finder. I had a helper hold the skirt tight against the side of the
fuselage as I drilled each hole. This caused each end of the side skirt
to be a bit higher than the middle when compared to the canopy rail. I
had plenty of metal left to trim the skirts straight on top and bottom
after all the holes were drilled. Before mounting the braces, I trimmed
the bottom of each skirt to clear the top of the fuselage canopy rail
ever so slightly. I clamped the brace on and drilled and clecoed it to
the inside of the canopy rail. Then I had my assistant press in on the
bottom of the skirt as he drilled the holes through the skirt and the
brace from the outside. To allow for spring back, we arbitrarily held
the skirt about 1/4 inch inside the fuselage side while drilling the
brace on. I was inside the cockpit with a wood block holding the bottom
of the brace tight against the skirt as he drilled the holes. The result
was perfect.
As far as I am concerned, getting the side skirts to fit properly was
the hardest part of the whole canopy evolution. I hope the description
above is not too hard to follow.
Charlie Brame
RV-6AQB - N11CB (Reserved)
San Antonio
> From: "Tim Bryan"
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy side skirts
>
>
> > Van's later RV-6 slider canopy finish kits now include the "inside canopy
> > brace strip" that Mike describes below. My finish kit (packed late May
> 2001)
> > included these parts as item number # C-759 "Inside Canopy Skirt" - and
> > coincidentally I drilled these to the inside of my canopy frame this
> > afternoon.
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Do you think if a person ordered these "Inside Canopy Skirts" they would
> work on the pre May 2001 frames?
>
> RV-6 Slider (N616TB Reserved) Finishing kit and waiting for engine
> Tim Bryan
> tim(at)bryantechnology.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "C J Heitman" <cjh(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | parking brake valve where? |
Since 1/8 NPT threads are tapered it would be difficult to get the threads
to tighten just as the crush washers on the banjo fitting get tight enough.
In other words, the length of the banjo bolt would be fairly critical.
That's probably why no one makes 1/8 NPT banjo bolts. Perhaps the German
version is a straight thread.
Now if Matco could be convinced to produce a version of the valve with
3/8-24 straight threads (or M10 metric threads) on the inlet ports, banjo
fittings would be easy to find.
Chris Heitman
Dousman WI
RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
http://www.execpc.com/~cjh/brake_valve.html
-----Original Message-----
The first few products on the following page are banjo bolts which MAY
be suitable. They are G-1/8 thread which is the metric equivalent to 1/8
NPT and is generally interchangeable. (i.e. they thread into one
another) This does not address the actual banjo fitting however, only
the bolt. For whatever it may be worth here is the link.
http://catalog.festo.com/enu/asp/default4.asp
Festo is German company recognized around the world as a manufacturer of
top quality components with distributors is most major countries. They
have 13 major distribution centres in the US and 4 in Canada which can
be found at;
http://www.festo.com/fww/eng/worldwide.htm
Bob McC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owens, Laird" <Owens(at)aerovironment.com> |
| Subject: | Some Interesting Data (Long) |
Hi Don,
My RV weighs 1065 empty, and the test weight was around 1500 lbs at the start.
All the data collected was with the Hartzell prop.
One thing I forgot to note was that on the top speed run, I richened up the engine
to 50 rich of peak.
Laird
Laird,
Was this data with a Constant Speed Hartzell? Or a Fixed pitch. And
what does your plane weigh?
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douglas G. Murray" <dgmurray(at)telusplanet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Spinner Front Bulkhead |
Mike;
I spaced out my spinner front bulkhead with a heavy slurry of fiberglass
resin thickened with flox. I painted the bulkhead with mold release first
and it popped right off after setting up. I did have to purchase the
different front bulkhead from Van so the Sensenich F/P prop would come
close.
Douglas G. Murray
Southern Alberta
RV-6 almost done!!
>
> Would like to get the list.wisdom on mounting my spinner on a Sensenich
> fixed-pitch metal prop.
>
> I have the cutouts perfect but it did not intially contact the front
> bulkhead (the correct bulkhead for the prop).
>
> In Tony's "Bingelis on Engines" he recommends pushing the front
> bulkhead out using washers between prop and bulkhead. I have found two
> washers gets everything fitting nicely.
>
> OTOH, my Technical Counselor is nervous about spacing out the front
> bulkhead - cites reduced thread count holding on the prop. Those two
> washers =~ 7/16" thickness.
>
> Need help reconciling the two viewpoints. Have seen web sites where
> folks have built up the front bulkhead with everything from fiberglass
> to bondo. Tony mentions those as options along with the spacing
> method... I have to wonder why those folks didn't space out their
> bulkhead.
>
> Anyone spaced theirs with good results (which would be, prop hasn't
> since flown off the aircraft)?
> :)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mike Thompson
> Austin, TX
> -6 N140RV (Reserved)
> Firewall Forward
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robert Blum <bob(at)theblums.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV6-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/08/01 |
unsuscribe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Oke" <wjoke(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy side skirts |
The Van canopy side skirt brace for later slider canopies should be
adaptable for use on earlier model canopy frames. The main difference would
be that the upper edge would be attached to the inside of a round piece of
tubing vice a square piece - a bit trickier but it should be doable.
If you decide to go ahead with the Van's part, it is a C-791 "canopy skirt
brace" that you need. (I got the part number wrong on my first post).
It is pretty simple part. Imagine a .025 piece of aluminum sheet about 2
1/2" by 24 inches with two lengthwise bends to create 5/8" wide flanges bent
30-40 deg in opposite directions to form sort of an "S" shape. The builder
gets to cut a dozen or so lightening holes in the center part and then slit
them out to the edge of the bottom flange. This allows the piece to flex to
conform to the inside of the canopy rail. Plan on 1/8" pop rivets to attach
the top flange to the inside of the canopy frame and AN426-3-3.5 rivets to
join the canopy side skirt to the brace. Some scrap .025 and trial and error
might do as well as ordering the Vans part.
Van's scheme is to drill the side skirts first and then backdrill from the
outside the canopy to pick up the brace's bottom flange. Watch the rivet
spacing so as to miss the slots that are cut in the brace. (Guess how I
know...)
Jim Oke
RV-6A C-????
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Bryan" <timbryan(at)oregontrail.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy side skirts
>
> > Van's later RV-6 slider canopy finish kits now include the "inside
canopy
> > brace strip" that Mike describes below. My finish kit (packed late May
> 2001)
> > included these parts as item number # C-759 "Inside Canopy Skirt" - and
> > coincidentally I drilled these to the inside of my canopy frame this
> > afternoon.
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Do you think if a person ordered these "Inside Canopy Skirts" they would
> work on the pre May 2001 frames?
>
> RV-6 Slider (N616TB Reserved) Finishing kit and waiting for engine
> Tim Bryan
> tim(at)bryantechnology.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Johnson" <scottjohnson345(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Need Advice On RV8A Wheels From Vans |
I know, theres no excuse for asking this since I already built an RV6A ...
My cleveland rims, tires, and tubes came from Vans RV8A kit for my RV8A.
Heres the question:
The tub stem cam with a washer and nut on it.
The cleveland rim has a hole larger than the washer and nut.
So whats the point of the washer and nut ?
Is there suppose to be a washer bigger than the rim hole to anchor the stem
from the tube to the rim ?
I don't remember doing this on the RV6A, its been to many years.
Thanks in advance for your ideas ...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Joe Hine" <joehine(at)nbnet.nb.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: White interior a bad idea? |
Matthew
I have a RV4 that is painted a light cream colour (Cdn Goverment filing
cabinate beige actually, you take free paint where ever you can get it)
The roll bar is black. The instrument panel is the same colour as the
interior and I have not noticed any bad reflections as yet. I find the
light colour makes it much easier to work inside the cockpit. Things are
much easier to see than in a friends that the interior is painted very dark
colours.
Joe Hine
RV4 C-FYTQ
>
> A recent post on the RV-list caught my attention... I recently bought
paint
> I was planning on using on the interior of my plane. It is almost exactly
> the same color as Vans powdercoat. I figured if Vans was using it it
should
> be a good choice - but then KostaLewis' post made it sound like it was a
bad
> idea - that it would create a horrible glare on the inside of the canopy.
I
> hadn't thought of that - I thought white would be a good idea because it
> might stay cooler than a darker color. Has anyone flown in an RV with a
> white (actually, very light grey) interior? Is the glare bad?
>
> No big deal if I made a bad choice - I just have to get new paint and take
> of the windscreen so I can repaint the roll bar.
>
> Matthew
> 8A finishing kit
> N48PP reserved
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Hartzell CS prop |
Is this what you wanted or do you need the notes as well?
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
P-920 - HARTZELL - Model - HC-C2Y
HC-C2Y
Revision 21
April 25, 1996
TYPE CERTIFICATE DATA SHEET NO. P-920
Propellers of models described herein conforming with this data sheet (which
is part of Type Certificate No. P-920) and other approved data on file with
the Federal Aviation Administration, meet the minimum standards for use in
certificated aircraft in accordance with pertinent aircraft data sheets and
applicable portions of the Federal Aviation Regulations provided they are
installed, operated and maintained as prescribed by the approved
manufacturer's manuals and other approved instructions.
Hartzell Propeller Inc.
Piqua, Ohio 45356
I Model
HC-C2Y
Type
Constant speed, hydraulic (See NOTES 3 and 4)
Engine shaft
SAE #2 flange, special flange 4" B.C.
Hub material
Aluminum alloy
Blade material
Aluminum alloy
Number of blades
Two
Hub models
HC-C2YF-1, -2, -4; HC-C2YK-1, -2, -4; HC-C2YL-1, -2, -4; HC-C2YR-1, -2, -4
(See NOTES 1 and 4)
Blades Maximum * Hub and Blades
(See NOTES Continuous Takeoff Diameter Approx. Weight
2 & 6) HP RPM HP RPM Limits (See NOTES 3 and 7)
Non-Counterweighted Blades Hub Models: All -1
7068-0
to 300 2700 300 2700 70" to 60" 55.5 lb
7068-10 (-0 to -10)
7280+1/2
to 250 2700 250 2700 72-1/2" - 65" 51 lb.
7280-7 (+1/2 to -7)
7663-0
to 210 2800 210 2800 76" - 68" 46 lb.
7663-8 (-0 to -8)
7666-0 180 2900 180 2900
to or or 76" - 68" 51 lb.
7666-8 250 2700 250 2700 (-0 to -8)
7681-0
to 250 2700 250 2700 76" - 68" 51 lb.
7681-8 (-0 to -8)
7692-0 180 2900 180 2900 76" - 68" 46 lb.
to or or (-0 to -8)
7692-8 250 2700 250 2700
Blades Maximum * Hub and Blades
(See NOTES Continuous Takeoff Diameter Approx. Weight
2 & 6) HP RPM HP RPM Limits (See NOTES 3 and 7)
8052-0
to 310 2600 310 2600 80" - 72" 50.5 lb.
8052-8 (-0 to -8)
8459-0
to 260 2800 260 2800 84" - 66" 48 lb.
8459-18 (-0 to -18)
8465-0
to 315 2575 315 2575 84" - 70" 50 lb.
8465-14 (-0 to -14)
8467-0
to 285 2700 285 2700 84" - 72" 52 lb.
8467-12 (-0 to -12)
8468-0
to 285 2700 285 2700 84" - 72" 50 lb.
8468-12 (-0 to -12)
8470-0
to 260 2700 250 2700 84" - 76" 49 lb.
8470-8 (-0 to -8)
8475+2
to 310 2700 310 2700 86" - 80" 52 lb.
8475-4 (+2 to -4)
8475-4
to 350 2700 350 2700 80" - 78" 51 lb.
8475-6 (-4 to -6)
8475-6 310 2700 310 2700 78" - 70" 50 lb.
to or (-6 to -14)
8475-14 300 2850
8477-0 310 2575 310 2575 84" - 80" 54 lb.
to or or (-6 to -4)8477-4 260 2700 260
2700
8477-4
to 350 2700 350 2700 80" - 78" 53 lb.
8477-6 (-4 to -6)
8477-6 310 2700 310 2700 78" - 70" 52 lb.
to or (-6 to -14)
8477-14 300 2850
9587-0
to 320 2200 320 2200 95" - 93" 50 lb.
9587-2 (-0 to -2)
9587-2 320 2200 320 2200 93" - 75" 50 lb.
to or or (-2 to -20)
9587-20 300 2400 300 2400
Blades Maximum * Hub and Blades
(See NOTES Continuous Takeoff Diameter Approx. Weight
2 & 6) HP RPM HP RPM Limits (See NOTES 3 and 7)
Counterweighted Blades Hub Models: All -2, and -4
C7663-0
to 210 2800 210 2800 76" - 68" 50 lb.
C7663-8 (-0 to -8)
C7666-0 180 2850 180 2850 76" - 68" 55 lb.
to or or (-0 to -8)
C7666-8 250 2700 250 2700
C7681-0 76" - 68" 55 lb.
to 250 2700 250 2700 (-0 to -8)
C7681-8
C7692-0 180 2900 180 2900 76" - 68" 50 lb.
to or or (-0 to -8)
C7692-8 250 2700 250 2700
C8052-0
to 310 2600 310 2600 80" - 72" 54.4 lb.
C8052-8 (-0 to -8)
C8459-0
to 260 2800 260 2800 84" - 72" 52 lb.
C3459-12 (-0 to -12)
C8465-0
to 315 2575 315 2575 84" - 70" 54 lb.
C8465-14 (-0 to -14)
C8465-6
to 260 2700 260 2700 78" - 70" 53 lb.
C8465-14 (-6 to -14)
C8467-0
to 285 2700 285 2700 84" - 72" 56 lb.
C8467-12 (-0 to -12)
C8468-0
to 260 2700 260 2700 84" - 72" 54 lb.
C8468-12 (-0 to -12)
C8470-0
to 260 2700 260 2700 84" - 76" 53 lb.
C8470-8 (-0 to -8)
C8475+2
to 310 2700 310 2700 86" - 80" 56 lb.
C8475-4 (+2 to -4)
Blades Maximum * Hub and Blades
(See NOTES Continuous Takeoff Diameter Approx. Weight
2 & 6) HP RPM HP RPM Limits (See NOTES 3 and 7)
C8475-4
to 350 2700 350 2700 80" - 78" 55 lb.
C8475-6 (-4 to -6)
C8475-6 310 2700 310 2700 78" - 70" 54 lb.
to or (-6 to -14)
C8475-14 300 2850
C8477-0 310 2575 310 2575 84" - 80" 58 lb.
to or or (-0 to -4)
C8477-4 260 2700 260 2700
C8477-4
to 350 2700 350 2700 80" - 78" 57 lb.
C8477-6 (-4 to -6)
C8477-6 310 2700 310 2700 78" - 70" 56 lb.
to or (-6 to -14)
C8477-14 300 2850
C9587-0
to 320 2200 320 2200 95" - 93" 54 lb.
C9587-2 (-0 to -2)
C9587-2 320 2200 320 2200 93" - 75" 54 lb.
to or or (-2 to -20)
C9587-20 300 2400 300 2400
* Weights apply to -1 constant speed hub with "F" flange. Add 1.2 lb. for
"L", "K", and "R": flange, 3.0 lb. for feathering -2 hubs, and 5.5 lb. for
feathering -2R hubs. Add 4 lb. for -4 model.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Mosher" <tmosher(at)gbronline.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell CS prop
If you want to find out the certification specs on an HC-C2YL-1BF/F7663A-4
(the one Van shows in the accessories catalog) take a look at Type
Certificate Data Sheet P-920 (unfortunately the damn FAA site that the TCDS
are on is down (again)).
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton(at)cyberus.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Hartzell CS prop
>
> >
> >Does anybody know if I am correct in thinking that the prop blade numbers
> >(i.e. F7663) mean that the pitch in full coarse is 76" and in full fine
is
> >63"?
> >
> >Greg Tanner
> >RV-9A Tanks
> >SER #90186 N80BR RESERVED
> >O-320 D1A
>
>
> Greg,
>
> I don't think their numbers work like that. They have too many other
blade
> numbers that wouldn't fit that mold (e.g F7693, F7214, etc).
>
> In any case, the prop hub has fine and coarse pitch stops that are set
> specifically for each application. This gives the required pitch change
> range for that aircraft type, while minimizing the effects of failures
that
> take you to one of the pitch stops. So, the pitch range of a prop with
> F7663 blades will depend on how the hub is set up.
>
> Hartzell has some interesting info on their web site. Go to:
>
> http://www.hartzellprop.com/resource_library/sitelinks_appguide.htm
>
> Type Van into the Aircraft Manufacturer field, leave the rest blank and
> submit the form.
>
> Take care,
>
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (engine installation)
> khorton(at)cyberus.ca (613) 821-7862 (home)
> Ottawa, Canada (613) 952-4319 (work)
> http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Spinner Front Bulkhead |
Use longer bolts!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Thompson" <grobdriver(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 9:20 AM
Subject: RV-List: Prop Spinner Front Bulkhead
Would like to get the list.wisdom on mounting my spinner on a Sensenich
fixed-pitch metal prop.
I have the cutouts perfect but it did not intially contact the front
bulkhead (the correct bulkhead for the prop).
In Tony's "Bingelis on Engines" he recommends pushing the front
bulkhead out using washers between prop and bulkhead. I have found two
washers gets everything fitting nicely.
OTOH, my Technical Counselor is nervous about spacing out the front
bulkhead - cites reduced thread count holding on the prop. Those two
washers =~ 7/16" thickness.
Need help reconciling the two viewpoints. Have seen web sites where
folks have built up the front bulkhead with everything from fiberglass
to bondo. Tony mentions those as options along with the spacing
method... I have to wonder why those folks didn't space out their
bulkhead.
Anyone spaced theirs with good results (which would be, prop hasn't
since flown off the aircraft)?
:)
Thanks.
Mike Thompson
Austin, TX
-6 N140RV (Reserved)
Firewall Forward
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Thompson <grobdriver(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve where? |
> Thanks, i got the pictures, great help, one question
> I have breaks on both sides, it will not make any
> difference no?, just one line goes to one wheel
> the other to the opposite side..
I took a look at drawing 49, upper right hand corner... I don't believe
having another pair of brakes will affect the installation. The idea
is to capture the high pressure line between the brake pedal and the
wheels.
With right-side brakes you simply have a high-pressure connection
between them; the right-side pumps through the left side, thence to the
wheels.
If you will insert the valve between the left-side brake pedals (lower
connections) and the wheels you will be OK.
>
> Is any possibility, that the valve will interfere
> with the breaks, if is not connected, or close?
Of course it will interfere with brake operation if it is closed - it
will not allow the brake fluid under pressure to get to the slave
cylinders at the wheels. If the lever on the valve is not connected to
a cable or lever or rod or some other kind of actuator, you will have
to ensure the valve lever is "pinned" or otherwise secured in the open
position. Otherwise it might vibrate closed and you could be pushing
on the brake pedals for all you're worth but no pressure would get to
the slave cylinders.
That, I suspect, would be bad.
> Is a simple pull push, cable enough, or will be
> better to have a friction type..
> thanks for the help
I am using a ratcheting cable available from Van's or any other
aircraft supplier (ACS, Wicks). A friction-lock cable like a throttle
cable would certainly work... would be a little overkill I think.
I have been in production aircraft where the parking brake was a simple
non-ratcheting type and they seemed to work OK too.
I chose a middle ground.
Mike Thompson
Austin, TX
-6 N140RV (Reserved)
Firewall Forward
====
Michael E. Thompson (Grobdriver(at)yahoo.com)
Austin, TX, USA
RV-6 in progress, N140RV (Reserved)
EX-AX1 Sub Hunter, P-3 (B/B-TACMOD/C) Orion Aircrew,
PP-G,ASEL, Motorglider Driver and Unlimited Air Race Nut!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Thompson <grobdriver(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler, Tilted? |
> He is doing a beautifull job, one of those with
> attention to detail, which makes me feel depress
> I wish I could do things that perfect...
Hi Again, Bert.
Don't let things like this depress you. We all have different skill
levels, different finance levels (like, if you don't like the job you
did on a part, you can buy more materials and do it again).
Don't be depressed, learn from it. I visit projects armed with a
camera and focus on areas that are ahead of me.
There are lots of good web sites you can get ideas from, too! With
that information and patience you can do very good work too, I am sure.
My personal credo on this project is:
"Strive for perfection... and take what you get"
> Any how, in our conversation, he mentioned that if
> one install the oil cooler tilted, that it will help
> or something to do with the vapor escaping,
> separating?
The idea here is to smooth airflow as much as you can. A large
percentage of our aerodynamic drag is "cooling drag" - the air going
into the baffles, down around the cylinders and out the cowl is
constantly changing direction. That slows it down and increases drag.
Anything you can do to smooth the airflow inside the cowl is as
valuable as things we do on the outside of the cowl. That's why the -8
has a hump at the cowl exit (which some of us builders of other models
shamelessly copy).
By tilting the oil cooler down, you are directing the air exiting the
cooling fins toward the cowl exit, where it has to eventually go, but
you have helped it along by directing it that way. That bit of air
does not have to change direction to get out.
It is perhaps a small thing - but many small things add up!
Mike Thompson
Austin, TX
-6 N140RV (Reserved)
Firewall Forward
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| From: | Mike Thompson <grobdriver(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Spinner Front Bulkhead |
--- Cy Galley wrote:
>
> Use longer bolts!
Good idea!
Thought of it - according to Van's catalog these puppies are AN8-82's.
Can't find something that size (and bigger) in ACS or Wicks - guess I
could go straight to Sensenich, see if they have something like an
8-83/84...
Was hoping to learn the 7/16" wasn't that big a deal.
But thanks for the thought!
Mike Thompson
Austin, TX
-6 N140RV (Reserved)
Firewall Forward
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
| Subject: | Hartzell CS prop |
Great information. So now---any clue what the difference would be between a
F7663-4 and an F8468-12? By definition, they would be the same length but
the F7663 is listed as 210 HP and the F8468 is listed as 285 HP. The only
remaining difference is the 63 vs. the 68. Which mean the following: "the
last 2 numbers indicate basic model or template (there are some exceptions
to this definition)" Quoted from Hartzell's web site. What's curious here is
that the F7663-4 blades are what is used on the O-320 CS prop assy so I'm
assuming that the stated HP "MAX CONTINUOUS" and "TAKEOFF" must be for the
prop if it was not a -4 (meaning not shortened to 72") which would make
sense then that the F8468 prop rated at 285 HP must be at the non-shortened
length of 84". This is all leading to the question then, will the
performance of an F7663-4 be the same as an F8468-12? Both being 72" in
diameter but with a different "basic model or template" number? Am I getting
too technical? Inquiring minds want to know?
Greg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop Spinner Front Bulkhead |
Wag Aero handles prop bolts.
Or make an adapter plate to offset the spacers to the bulkhead. Use the
plate to bolt on the prop. Use the offset holes to bolt on the spacers to
the bulkhead. The adapter plate could be just another front bulkhead.
The other thing is to open up the front of the prop cutouts so to slide the
spinner back so the bulk head fits correctly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Thompson" <grobdriver(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Prop Spinner Front Bulkhead
--- Cy Galley wrote:
>
> Use longer bolts!
Good idea!
Thought of it - according to Van's catalog these puppies are AN8-82's.
Can't find something that size (and bigger) in ACS or Wicks - guess I
could go straight to Sensenich, see if they have something like an
8-83/84...
Was hoping to learn the 7/16" wasn't that big a deal.
But thanks for the thought!
Mike Thompson
Austin, TX
-6 N140RV (Reserved)
Firewall Forward
________________________________________________________________________________
"
\"Randy Griffin\"" ,
"Jeff Jasinsky"
| Subject: | SW/Niagara shootout |
Listers, (long post, DELETE if not interested in this topic)
There was a thread last week on oil coolers that I am following up on. The
essence of the thread was that the Stewart Warner coolers were supposedly
the most effective out there for a given size. There is also confusion as to
whether a SW and a Niagara and Harrison are the same thing or not. There
were several good posts on the history of the companies that are in the
archives so I won't repeat it all here, but suffice it to say they are not
the same company any more and their products are now different.
Since flying my RV-8 this past May my oil temps were a bit higher than I'd
like on days where the ambient temp is 80 or above. When it is above 90 they
were definitely too high (like 218 at low altitude low power cruise). On one
90+ degree day in Central Oregon departing from a 5,000 elevation airport
with the engine already hot, and while following another plane's climb
profile, I saw 245... yikes! Since then I've learned to manage oil temps and
have never seen over 230 regardless of the ambient temp. Still, I did not
feel like I had adequate headroom.
Several listers had spoken with Pacific Oil Coolers lately and been advised
that Stewart Warners were the most efficient so I called them also to see if
a swap with my Niagara would lower my temps. They told me "absolutely" and
that I "could possibly see a 20% reduction". Of course they wouldn't
guarrantee anything. Frankly I simply didn't believe the 20%, but I'd be
happy with 10-15 degrees (5-8%).
When doing my final FWF installation I had originally bought a Posi Tech.
Solely on the experience of several RV-Listers I sold it and bought a
Niagara from Van's. At that time I thought the Niagara was the identical
product to a SW... ignorance is bliss. Again, the Niagara has worked well
for 120 hours for all but very high ambient conditions, which is only a
problem here in the Great Northwet for 2-3 months a year. If you lived in
Arizona or Florida it wouldn't have been unacceptable.
Curiosity got the better of me so I ordered one and swapped the SW for the
Niagara while doing an oil change on Friday evening. The flanges and bolt
hole dimensions are identical, but the core is recessed about 1/4" deeper
than Niagara. This required a very minor modification on my mount... no
problem. I ground ran it as usual when doing an oil change to look for
leaks, none noted, and buttoned it up to be flown the next morning. I have
now flown 7.5 hours over the last two days in ambient conditions of around
80 degrees on the ground. The comparisons I made are not good scientific
method, rather my own feel for what temps would have been before versus what
I was seeing now. After flying the plane 120 hours in the last four months
though I feel like I have a good handle on what was normal for a given
flight condition. Sorry, proper data would have been tough to get (identical
ambient conditions combined with identical climb/power profiles) and way too
much work.
So here's what I found: when doing an extended climb before at 120-130 mph
on days like this I would see peaks of around 220-225. This weekend I saw
peaks of 205-215. Cruise at 7,500-8,500 feet, with the power settings I
typically run, before would typically be 189-202, this weekend they were
182-185. During long high-speed descents temp would never drop below 180
with either cooler so the vernatherm must be working. When assessing this
information it should be noted that my plane is non-standard and may make
the oil cooler's job a bit tougher. I have a Sam James closed cooling
plenum. This forces you to mount the oil cooler lower behind cylinder #4
than with Van's standard baffles, hence half the cooler inlet is cylinder
fins. This probably impedes airflow and also may pre-warm the air, not good
for cooling.
Hmm, what conclusions can we draw from this? My own sense is that the SW
does indeed cool *just a bit* more effectively than the Niagara. In fact my
own belief is that I'm seeing an 8-10 degree reduction. The Niagara is $241
from Van's, the SW was $397 outright from Pacific Oil Coolers. Was the swap
worth it? In the long run, probably. Was it dramatic? No. Will I keep the SW
installed? Yes, that 8-10 degrees is important on those hot days. So there
you have it, as close a comparison as I can give you. I have posted most of
the above text and photos of the two coolers on my web site at...
http://www.rv-8.com/FirewallForward.htm#Oil%20cooler
Hope this helps someone. Oh, almost forgot: FOR SALE, Niagara 2002A oil
cooler, 120 hrs, $175 delivered in cont. US. Contact Randy at 800-886-6659
or randy@rv-8.com.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 127 hrs.
www.rv-8.com
Home Wing VAF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Lawson <jwlawson(at)hargray.com> |
| Subject: | Message for Fred Kunkel |
Fred, are you up on freq? Please drop me a line or two when you get a chance.
Thanks!
S/F
John
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| From: | Gary & Carolyn Zilik <zilik(at)bewellnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler, Tilted? |
The way Bert stated the oil cooler was mounted led me to believe that the
cooler is mounted flat on the back of the baffles but not plumb side to
side, or crooked. I think this guy mounted his crooked so that the top of
the cooler was not level and tilted upwards towards the outlet fitting.
This would in effect make sure all air was purged from the filter. Does it
make a difference, who knows.
Just my two cents worth.
Gary
>
>
> By tilting the oil cooler down, you are directing the air exiting the
> cooling fins toward the cowl exit, where it has to eventually go, but
> you have helped it along by directing it that way. That bit of air
> does not have to change direction to get out.
> It is perhaps a small thing - but many small things add up!
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ray sheffield" <1052a(at)prodigy.net> |
| Subject: | Re: hole in wheel pant for air? |
Doug,
I put a 1/2" hole 1 11/16" from the hub centerline
aft of the axle hole. In order to air the tires use 2 auto extenders
screwed together. It helps to mark the tire with a dot of yellow paint.
ray rv6a
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug's Mail" <dougr(at)petroblend.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:58 PM
Subject: RV-List: hole in wheel pant for air?
>
> How far from the axle bolt should it be to the center of a hole for a
rubber
> plug for tire inflation without wheelpant removal???
>
> Tailwinds,
> Doug Rozendaal
> dougr(at)petroblend.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill VonDane" <n8vd(at)earthlink.net> |
"Rv-List(at)Matronics.Com"
| Subject: | RMD Landing Lights... |
Anybody have a some good close up pix of the RMD landing lights? How they
are installed and how you adjust them would be great...
Thanks in advance...
-Bill VonDane
Colorado Springs, CO
RV-8A - N8VD - Finish
http://vondane.com/rv8a/
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| From: | "Paul Besing" <azpilot(at)extremezone.com> |
| Subject: | Oil Cooler Alternative |
All this talk about oil coolers brought me to post about my alternative oil
cooler. I have a Setrab oil cooler. It is a swedish auto racing oil cooler
that has been successfully used in numerous Harmon Rockets. It has a very
low profile, and is VERY efficient. In 100 + degree temperatures, I have
seen 180-190 temps. I suspect I will have to close some of it off in the
summer. Picutres of this cooler are on my website under the engine pages.
Have a look. They also only cost around $70.
Paul Besing
RV-6A N197AB Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Flying
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douglas G. Murray" <dgmurray(at)telusplanet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
Kevin - Thanks for the encouraging words. It's too bad your not closer, - I
would have no problem with you flying my craft.
The only concern I have now is on the W&B computations. With full fuel, two
170# pilots and a empty weight of 1072# - I can only carry 10 # luggage and
stay within the gross of 1650#. Now for the real world weights - I can have
only 34Gallons of fuel with two 185# people and no baggage. Is this near the
same figures everone else is coming up with?
Thanks for the input.
Doug Murray
PS. thanks to all the other builders who took time out to advise me on this
asymetrical weight question.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT???
>
>
> Oh oh. You'd better let me fly it for a year or two to make sure there
are
> no issues caused by that asymmetry. I'll do an extensive test program and
> report back to you. :-)
>
> I think you are worrying too much. Go flying.
>
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (engine installation)
> khorton(at)cyberus.ca (613) 821-7862 (home)
> Ottawa, Canada (613) 952-4319 (work)
> http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/
>
>
> >
> >Listers:
> >
> >I just did my weight computations for my RV-6 and found that the left
main
> >gear is 17# heavier than the right main. I switched the aircraft scales
from
> >side to side and reweighed the aircraft - same thing. I have one landing
> >light on the port wing, and all electric gyros on the left side of the
> >panel. Would these items acount for the extra weight on the port side?
Am I
> >just being picky? The last RV-6 built in this area came out within two
> >pounds side to side so I am a bit dismayed to see these numbers on my
> >aircraft. The aircraft came out at 1072# no fuel, all painted and
> >upholstered. How does this compare to the rest of your aircraft?
> >
> >Your input is appreciated.
> >
> >Douglas G. Murray
> >Southern Alberta
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alex Peterson" <alexpeterson(at)usjet.net> |
| Subject: | N66AP First Flight |
My 6A is officially an airplane as of today! The first flight was completed
by Tom Irlbeck, an accomplished pilot and RV8 builder/owner. A total of 4.2
flight hours were logged today. My face hurts from the smiling. Stick with
it, it is worth it. Performance data to follow, but the equipment list is:
Aerosport O360 with Airflow Perf. fuel injection, C/S prop, Lasar ignition,
RMI engine monitor, Garmin 340 audio panel, Garmin 327 trans., Garmin 430,
King Ky97 com, Century 2000 fully coupled two axis autopilot w/HSI, inverted
fuel/oil, leather, stereo, Hooker harnesses. Painted outside and primed
inside, 1174 calibrated three scale empty weight (BTW, re recent weight
thread, both main gear weighed the same, 417lbs.). However, I only weigh
155 :
).
Anyway, really an unbelievable feeling. Many thanks to all you wonderful
contributors to this list, it really makes a difference.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
6A N66AP, 4.2 hours!
------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------
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| From: | "Paul Besing" <azpilot(at)extremezone.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RMD Landing Lights... |
Hmmm...I have one pic I think on my website under the wings section. I can
take a closer pic if you like. The adjustment is done with 3 screws that
you can get to when you take the lens off. The screws have springs on them
that makes the lens "float" on it's mounts. You screw them in our out in
different combinations to aim them. Pretty much like you would on a car.
Paul Besing
RV-6A N197AB Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Flying
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill VonDane" <n8vd(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 7:19 PM
Subject: RV-List: RMD Landing Lights...
>
> Anybody have a some good close up pix of the RMD landing lights? How they
> are installed and how you adjust them would be great...
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> -Bill VonDane
> Colorado Springs, CO
> RV-8A - N8VD - Finish
> http://vondane.com/rv8a/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Setrab Oil Cooler |
| From: | james freeman <flyeyes(at)bellsouth.net> |
I don't have any personal experience, but the Setrab coolers have a bit of a
spotted reputation.
There is quite a bit in the archives on the subject.
James Freeman
not flaming--just trying to be helpful :)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Gray" <bruce.gray(at)snet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
One of the nifty things about experimental aircraft is that YOU the builder
can set any GW you want as your upper limit. Just be sure you stay within
the CG envelope.
Bruce
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Douglas G.
Murray
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT???
Kevin - Thanks for the encouraging words. It's too bad your not closer, - I
would have no problem with you flying my craft.
The only concern I have now is on the W&B computations. With full fuel, two
170# pilots and a empty weight of 1072# - I can only carry 10 # luggage and
stay within the gross of 1650#. Now for the real world weights - I can have
only 34Gallons of fuel with two 185# people and no baggage. Is this near the
same figures everone else is coming up with?
Thanks for the input.
Doug Murray
PS. thanks to all the other builders who took time out to advise me on this
asymetrical weight question.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Besing" <azpilot(at)extremezone.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
Change your Gross weight to 1750. You are the builder, and can do so. It
is safe, as well, as long as you are not past your cg envelope when fuel
burns off. The 1650 number is a guide, but Van's has told me "off the
record" that they have seen gross weights of 1800 pounds and still
safe..just watch the cg shift with the fuel burn.
Paul Besing
RV-6A N197AB Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Flying
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas G. Murray" <dgmurray(at)telusplanet.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT???
>
> Kevin - Thanks for the encouraging words. It's too bad your not closer, -
I
> would have no problem with you flying my craft.
>
> The only concern I have now is on the W&B computations. With full fuel,
two
> 170# pilots and a empty weight of 1072# - I can only carry 10 # luggage
and
> stay within the gross of 1650#. Now for the real world weights - I can
have
> only 34Gallons of fuel with two 185# people and no baggage. Is this near
the
> same figures everone else is coming up with?
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> Doug Murray
>
> PS. thanks to all the other builders who took time out to advise me on
this
> asymetrical weight question.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT???
>
>
> >
> >
> > Oh oh. You'd better let me fly it for a year or two to make sure there
> are
> > no issues caused by that asymmetry. I'll do an extensive test program
and
> > report back to you. :-)
> >
> > I think you are worrying too much. Go flying.
> >
> >
> > Kevin Horton RV-8 (engine installation)
> > khorton(at)cyberus.ca (613) 821-7862 (home)
> > Ottawa, Canada (613) 952-4319 (work)
> > http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/
>
>
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > >Listers:
> > >
> > >I just did my weight computations for my RV-6 and found that the left
> main
> > >gear is 17# heavier than the right main. I switched the aircraft scales
> from
> > >side to side and reweighed the aircraft - same thing. I have one
landing
> > >light on the port wing, and all electric gyros on the left side of the
> > >panel. Would these items acount for the extra weight on the port side?
> Am I
> > >just being picky? The last RV-6 built in this area came out within two
> > >pounds side to side so I am a bit dismayed to see these numbers on my
> > >aircraft. The aircraft came out at 1072# no fuel, all painted and
> > >upholstered. How does this compare to the rest of your aircraft?
> > >
> > >Your input is appreciated.
> > >
> > >Douglas G. Murray
> > >Southern Alberta
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
| From: | Denis Walsh <deniswalsh(at)earthlink.net> |
on 9/9/01 21:56, Paul Besing at azpilot(at)extremezone.com wrote:
>
> Change your Gross weight to 1750. You are the builder, and can do so. It
> is safe, as well, as long as you are not past your cg envelope when fuel
> burns off. The 1650 number is a guide, but Van's has told me "off the
> record" that they have seen gross weights of 1800 pounds and still
> safe..just watch the cg shift with the fuel burn.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A N197AB Arizona
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Flying
> Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Douglas G. Murray" <dgmurray(at)telusplanet.net>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT???
>
>
>
>>
>> Kevin - Thanks for the encouraging words. It's too bad your not closer, -
> I
>> would have no problem with you flying my craft.
>>
>> The only concern I have now is on the W&B computations. With full fuel,
> two
>> 170# pilots and a empty weight of 1072# - I can only carry 10 # luggage
> and
>> stay within the gross of 1650#. Now for the real world weights - I can
> have
>> only 34Gallons of fuel with two 185# people and no baggage. Is this near
> the
>> same figures everone else is coming up with?
>>
>> Thanks for the input.
>>
>> Doug Murray
>>
>> PS. thanks to all the other builders who took time out to advise me on
> this
>> asymetrical weight question.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca>
>> To:
>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 9:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT???
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh oh. You'd better let me fly it for a year or two to make sure there
>> are
>>> no issues caused by that asymmetry. I'll do an extensive test program
> and
>>> report back to you. :-)
>>>
>>> I think you are worrying too much. Go flying.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (engine installation)
>>> khorton(at)cyberus.ca (613) 821-7862 (home)
>>> Ottawa, Canada (613) 952-4319 (work)
>>> http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Listers:
>>>>
>>>> I just did my weight computations for my RV-6 and found that the left
>> main
>>>> gear is 17# heavier than the right main. I switched the aircraft scales
>> from
>>>> side to side and reweighed the aircraft - same thing. I have one
> landing
>>>> light on the port wing, and all electric gyros on the left side of the
>>>> panel. Would these items acount for the extra weight on the port side?
>> Am I
>>>> just being picky? The last RV-6 built in this area came out within two
>>>> pounds side to side so I am a bit dismayed to see these numbers on my
>>>> aircraft. The aircraft came out at 1072# no fuel, all painted and
>>>> upholstered. How does this compare to the rest of your aircraft?
>>>>
>>>> Your input is appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Douglas G. Murray
>>>> Southern Alberta
>> e
Allow me to add 2 worth.
I was present a number of years ago when Van answered the question of gross
weight maximums. He did indeed say you could increase it HOWEVER he also
added with emphasis " Don't even think about doing aerobatics above the
published maximum!"
Because of this and to keep it simple, I consider the plane a Utility
category at all times unless I happen to be below max aerobatic weight.
Personally I have certified my RV-6A for 1840 lbs gross, and have flown it
at over 1800 several times with no problems; however I do not exceed +4.4 G
when above aerobatic weight. In my case that is any time I am heavier than
solo with no cargo and 9 gallons of gasoline. I do not do negative G
maneuvers at any time.
Denis
(Denis L. Walsh deniswalsh(at)earthlink.net)
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| From: | "Paul Besing" <azpilot(at)extremezone.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Setrab Oil Cooler |
Well, maybe so, but the rocket guys love them, and I haven't seen a lick of
a problem in over 20 hours. I keep an eye on it every day, and I guess time
will tell, but for now, it's working perfectly.
Paul Besing
RV-6A N197AB Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Flying
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "james freeman" <flyeyes(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Setrab Oil Cooler
>
> I don't have any personal experience, but the Setrab coolers have a bit of
a
> spotted reputation.
>
> There is quite a bit in the archives on the subject.
>
> James Freeman
> not flaming--just trying to be helpful :)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Some Interesting Data (Long) |
Great data Laird , keep going. I know we all want to see how efficient we can make
these "6s". Tell "Pop" Dianne and I say thanks for the pictures.
Garry, RV6,"Casper"
40.6 hr
"Owens, Laird" wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Since I converted over to a Hartzell prop on my O-360/RV-6, I've wanted to do
some good data collection. I finally got a chance to go out last evening and
collect a little. (Like my boss sez...."Data is easy, GOOD data is hard"). Thought
some of you might be interested.
>
Snip
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| From: | "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | More Trim tab pics |
I've started working on the trim tab portion of my modified electric
aileron trim system. I tried a new idea to accurately size a small rib
that my friend Paul recommended to me. Take a look, it works great!! I
wish I would have known about this idea when I was building my elevator
trim tab.
http://bmnellis.com
Mike Nellis - http://bmnellis.com
Plainfield, IL
RV6 N699BM (res) Building Flaps
Stinson 108-2 N9666K
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| Subject: | Re: RMD Landing Lights... |
| From: | Eric.J.Henson(at)chase.com |
08:38:20 AM
Bill, one thing thats not real clear, well I missed it anyway, is to lay up
a spacer layer of matt and cloth between the light assembly and the wingtip
after you have made your cutout. You will want to add about 1/8th in order
for the lense to clear.
Eric
"Bill VonDane" (at)matronics.com on 09/09/2001 10:19:27 PM
Please respond to rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
cc:
Subject: RV-List: RMD Landing Lights...
Anybody have a some good close up pix of the RMD landing lights? How they
are installed and how you adjust them would be great...
Thanks in advance...
-Bill VonDane
Colorado Springs, CO
RV-8A - N8VD - Finish
http://vondane.com/rv8a/
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| From: | "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: N66AP First Flight |
Alex,
CONGRATULATIONS & WELL DONE !!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A (Flying - 13 hrs)
Niantic, CT (Westerly airport)
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| From: | "Douglas G. Murray" <dgmurray(at)telusplanet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
Thanks for the input. In Canada I can only ask for the gross weight that
the designer approves by letter. My next move will be to see if Van will
approve 1750 by letter.
Thanks again,
Doug Murray
Southern Alberta
RV-6
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Change your Gross weight to 1750. You are the builder, and can do so. It
is safe, as well, as long as you are not past your cg envelope when fuel
burns off. The 1650 number is a guide, but Van's has told me "off the
record" that they have seen gross weights of 1800 pounds and still
safe..just watch the cg shift with the fuel burn.
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Allow me to add 2 worth.
I was present a number of years ago when Van answered the question of gross
weight maximums. He did indeed say you could increase it HOWEVER he also
added with emphasis " Don't even think about doing aerobatics above the
published maximum!"
Because of this and to keep it simple, I consider the plane a Utility
category at all times unless I happen to be below max aerobatic weight.
Personally I have certified my RV-6A for 1840 lbs gross, and have flown it
at over 1800 several times with no problems; however I do not exceed +4.4 G
when above aerobatic weight. In my case that is any time I am heavier than
solo with no cargo and 9 gallons of gasoline. I do not do negative G
maneuvers at any time.
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> One of the nifty things about experimental aircraft is that YOU the
builder
> can set any GW you want as your upper limit. Just be sure you stay within
> the CG envelope.
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> The only concern I have now is on the W&B computations. With full fuel,
two
> 170# pilots and a empty weight of 1072# - I can only carry 10 # luggage
and
> stay within the gross of 1650#. Now for the real world weights - I can
have
> only 34Gallons of fuel with two 185# people and no baggage. Is this near
the
> same figures everone else is coming up with?
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> Doug Murray
>
> PS. thanks to all the other builders who took time out to advise me on
this
> asymetrical weight question.
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| From: | "Gary Zilik" <zilik(at)bewellnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Alternative |
I feel very strongly that the setrab cooler should not be used in aircraft. The
question is not if it will fail, but when. Compared to a S/W or Niagra cooler
it looks pretty flimsy, I know I have one (sitting on a shelf). A friend lost
his life due to an in flight fire. The NTSB has not published any findings that
I know of but has stated that the fire seemed to be from the lower center of
the firewall. Could have been fuel or maybe even oil. I think the oil cooler
failed. He had mounted his Setrab oil cooler in the lower center portion of the
firewall. The pressure hoses feeding the cooler could have failed also. BTW the
engine failed catastrophically due to oil starvation. Food for thought
Gary (no setrab here) Zilik
Paul Besing wrote:
>
> All this talk about oil coolers brought me to post about my alternative oil
> cooler. I have a Setrab oil cooler. It is a swedish auto racing oil cooler
> that has been successfully used in numerous Harmon Rockets. It has a very
> low profile, and is VERY efficient. In 100 + degree temperatures, I have
> seen 180-190 temps. I suspect I will have to close some of it off in the
> summer. Picutres of this cooler are on my website under the engine pages.
> Have a look. They also only cost around $70.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A N197AB Arizona
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Flying
> Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
>
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| From: | "Gary Zilik" <zilik(at)bewellnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Setrab Oil Cooler |
One thing I found when I started flying was that some things broke early on and
other things broke much later. I had most of my bugs pop up in the 80-100 hour
range. Keep a close eye on that cooler, oil loss is no fun.
Gary Zilik
Paul Besing wrote:
>
> Well, maybe so, but the rocket guys love them, and I haven't seen a lick of
> a problem in over 20 hours. I keep an eye on it every day, and I guess time
> will tell, but for now, it's working perfectly.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A N197AB Arizona
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Flying
> Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james freeman" <flyeyes(at)bellsouth.net>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Setrab Oil Cooler
>
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| From: | "Todd Wiechman" <toddwiechman(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Lycoming O-320-E2D For Sale |
Lycoming O-320-E2D for sale. First run engine with 1945 TT. New Slick mags
45 SNEW. Carburetor included. Compressions when removed were 75/76/76/72.
First $6900.00. Moving soon so please call! Please contact offline at
316-721-5670 or 316-210-5670(cell) and ask for Todd. Wichita Kansas USA
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| From: | "Benson, Bradley" <bbenson(at)trane.com> |
| Subject: | handheld computer question |
If you're using it with a Mac, that pretty much rules out the PocketPC / Win
CE machines as they don't include Mac software. You can check out any of
the Palm devices; the Sony Clie' is the neatest one I've seen yet. It runs
all Palm software, has a higher resolution display (320x320) than most Palms
or PocketPCs, etc. If you don't care about color, then the HandEra 330 is
easily the most powerful Palm around. It also has a high-res display
(320x240), sound, both CompactFlash and Secure Digital media slots, etc.
All these Palm devices either include Mac connectivity software in the box
or have it available for download.
I also have a couple of PocketPC devices, including an IPaq, and I find that
PocketPC is overrated (personal opinion only!). It's got a much faster
processor, but it is slow to open applications other than the 'built-in'
ones compared to any of my Palm devices (HandEra is the fastest, followed by
the Clie, then the Handspring Visor Deluxe, and finally the Palm IIIc) as
timed by a benchmark tool I wrote to measure such things. Also, in the
month or so I've had it, IPaq in particular has crashed more than my Palm
IIIc has crashed in the last 18 months - literally.
BTW - I'm not a toy geek or anything like that (at least not one that is
ready to admit it); I write software for a living and for these devices
(it's what's paying for my RV6A!).
Cheers,
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: d. wayne stiles [mailto:dwstiles(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 9:31 AM
Subject: RV-List: handheld computer question
I am beginning to consider the purchase of a handheld computer, I'd be
interested in recommendations as to brand and model. My situation: It will
be a year or more before I'm ready for avaition applications; my workbook
publishing involves Apple/Mac computers almost exclusively; primary
immediate use will be as auxillary to a new iBook. I don't really want to
buy one now and then have to buy a second one in a year or two when we get
our 7.
I don't mind not having cutting edge tech---I'd rather let some one else
find all the bugs, particularly when flying----so which way would you go?
iPac, palm pilot, handspring, whatever. Wayne Stiles
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| From: | "Ollie Washburn" <skybolt-aviator(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: hole in wheel pant for air? |
Or Cleveland Tools has a very nice chrome extender Ollie&Lorene Washburn
RV6-A,N795LW,@FD77.
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Looking for Mel Jordan |
Folks,
I'm looking to contact Mel Jordan to ask him some more questions about
his flap mod as outlined on Mike Nellis' website.
All of my E-Mails to him (tmjordan(at)flash.net) bounce as Addressee
unknown.
Anyone know of his whereabouts?
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
RV6AQB N822AR (reserved)
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| Subject: | Some Interesting Data (Long) |
Thread-Topic: RV-List Digest: 60 Msgs - 09/08/01
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| From: | Mike Thompson <grobdriver(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: bolt length and front bulkhead (was Prop Spinner Front Bulkhead) |
Wanted to share with the list a response I got from Ed Zercher at
Sensenich regarding my prop Spinner mounting question.
I completely forgot my contact with someone at the source. Thanks
again, Ed, for your note!
This information might ne helpful to someone else. BTW I do have the
correct bulkhead. I guess I'll just get out my files and sandpaper...
- Mike
> From: "Ed Zercher" <ez(at)sensenich.com>
> To:
> Subject: bolt length and front bulkhead
> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:51:11 -0400
>
> Mike,
>
> I saw your posting on the RV list and thought I would help you "off
> line".
> First off, for general information, we recommend that the bolt be
> engaged a
> minimum of the bolt diameter. This is a 1 to 1 ratio when using
> hardened
> bolts and hardened bushings. So, if your bolt is 7/16 inch diameter,
> then
> you must engage an minimum of 7/16 of threads in the bushing. There
> are many
> people who will tell you that you must have 2 threads coming through
> the
> bushing or you must be even with the bushing. While most
> installations do
> this, it is not necessary with hardened bolts and bushings.
>
> Now on to the real problem. If you have a need to shim the front
> bulkhead
> into place, I would assume that you have the front bulkhead used for
> wooden
> props. Vans' has a front bulkhead that is to be used with our metal
> prop. It
> should fit up nicely against the hub face. I believe that the part
> number is
> S-605 SEN. This would be a much better way to go. I'm afraid that by
> moving
> the front bulkhead out with washers will probably cause cracking down
> the
> road in the front bulkhead because it is not flush with the hub.
>
> If you have any questions please let me know.
>
> Ed
>
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| From: | "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Woodward Prop Governor Overhauler |
All,
Any recommendations for a good & reasonable Woodward prop governor overhaul
shop, perferably East of the Miss?
Thanks,
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A (Flying)
Niantic, CT (Westerly airport)
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| Subject: | Pictures of Jan Eggenfellner Subaru Engine package (Texas visit) |
Thread-Topic: Pictures of Jan Eggenfellner Subaru Engine package (Texas visit)
Thread-Index: AcE6DXsjiKgRV3vmRweABO/jLmYjkg=
| From: | "Reeves, Doug" <Douglas.Reeves(at)archongroup.com> |
Jan visited Texas yesterday and I took the digital camera down and shot
about 20 pics. He's traveling the USA to raise awareness of his Subaru
firewall forward package for RV's. The GlaStar they were in has been
running for four years (he told me). If you feel like giving the
pictures a look you can see them at
http://members6.clubphoto.com/doug412210/503703 . Most of the images
are 640pixels wide but a few are 2048wide. You can see where he'll be
next on his web site at www.subaruaircraft.com .
Hope to meet a few of the listers this weekend at Las Cruces!
Regards,
Doug Reeves
VAF-World Wide Wing
http://www.vansaircraft.net
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| From: | "Owens, Laird" <Owens(at)aerovironment.com> |
| Subject: | Oil Cooler Alternative |
I'll second Gary's opinion. The oil cooler is the last place to skimp.
A little data to back that up???? I broke the Setrab I had installed in my RV-6
at 3 hrs. Dumped 5 of the 6 qts of oil in the airplane before I got it back
to the airport. (If you want all the gory details, see the archives).
I was lucky I got back to the airport and didn't have an oil fire. The oil was
everywhere under the cowl. Why it didn't catch fire, I'll never know. I seem
to live an adventously charmed life (with oil cooler failures and bird strikes).
Why did the oil cooler fail. Could have been my installation, but after disecting
the cooler, it sure didn't look robust enough for me. I now have a Niagra
installed in the same manner as I mounted the Setrab, and it's lasted over 300
hours.
Paul, please keep an eye on you cooler, and best of luck from one who survived
an oil cooler failure. I hope it doesn't happen to you.
Just another opinion.
Regards,
Laird
RV-6
SoCal
From: rv-list(at)matronics.com on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler Alternative
I feel very strongly that the setrab cooler should not be used in aircraft. The
question is not if it will fail, but when. Compared to a S/W or Niagra cooler
it looks pretty flimsy, I know I have one (sitting on a shelf). A friend lost
his life due to an in flight fire. The NTSB has not published any findings that
I know of but has stated that the fire seemed to be from the lower center of
the firewall. Could have been fuel or maybe even oil. I think the oil cooler
failed. He had mounted his Setrab oil cooler in the lower center portion of the
firewall. The pressure hoses feeding the cooler could have failed also. BTW the
engine failed catastrophically due to oil starvation. Food for thought
Gary (no setrab here) Zilik
Paul Besing wrote:
>
> All this talk about oil coolers brought me to post about my alternative oil
> cooler. I have a Setrab oil cooler. It is a swedish auto racing oil cooler
> that has been successfully used in numerous Harmon Rockets. It has a very
> low profile, and is VERY efficient. In 100 + degree temperatures, I have
> seen 180-190 temps. I suspect I will have to close some of it off in the
> summer. Picutres of this cooler are on my website under the engine pages.
> Have a look. They also only cost around $70.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A N197AB Arizona
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Flying
> Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
This is allowed in the U.S. but Doug is in Canada. Do they have the same
flexibility or do they have to use the designer's numbers? I think Oz is
restricted, not sure about Canada or other countries.
Greg Young
>
> Change your Gross weight to 1750. You are the builder, and
> can do so. It
> is safe, as well, as long as you are not past your cg
> envelope when fuel
> burns off. The 1650 number is a guide, but Van's has told
> me "off the
> record" that they have seen gross weights of 1800 pounds and still
> safe..just watch the cg shift with the fuel burn.
>
>
> >
> > Kevin - Thanks for the encouraging words. It's too bad your
> not closer, -
> I
> > would have no problem with you flying my craft.
> >
> > The only concern I have now is on the W&B computations.
> With full fuel,
> two
> > 170# pilots and a empty weight of 1072# - I can only carry
> 10 # luggage
> and
> > stay within the gross of 1650#. Now for the real world
> weights - I can
> have
> > only 34Gallons of fuel with two 185# people and no baggage.
> Is this near
> the
> > same figures everone else is coming up with?
> >
> > Thanks for the input.
> >
> > Doug Murray
> >
> > PS. thanks to all the other builders who took time out to
> advise me on
> this
> > asymetrical weight question.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Setrab Oil Cooler |
I have a Setrab cooler for sale---$25.
hilljw(at)aol.com
Jimmy rv8a
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <enewton57(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | N66AP First Flight |
Alex,
Congradulations on your first flight. Thanks for sharing.
Eric Newton - Long Beach, MS
RV-6A - N57ME (fiinal stuff before inspection)
www.ericsrv6a.com
-----Original Message-----
From: "owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com" <owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com>
on behalf of "Alex Peterson"
Subject: RV-List: N66AP First Flight
My 6A is officially an airplane as of today! The first flight was completed
by Tom Irlbeck, an accomplished pilot and RV8 builder/owner. A total of 4.2
flight hours were logged today. My face hurts from the smiling. Stick with
it, it is worth it. Performance data to follow, but the equipment list is:
Aerosport O360 with Airflow Perf. fuel injection, C/S prop, Lasar ignition,
RMI engine monitor, Garmin 340 audio panel, Garmin 327 trans., Garmin 430,
King Ky97 com, Century 2000 fully coupled two axis autopilot w/HSI, inverted
fuel/oil, leather, stereo, Hooker harnesses. Painted outside and primed
inside, 1174 calibrated three scale empty weight (BTW, re recent weight
thread, both main gear weighed the same, 417lbs.). However, I only weigh
155 :
).
Anyway, really an unbelievable feeling. Many thanks to all you wonderful
contributors to this list, it really makes a difference.
Alex Peterson
Maple Grove, MN
6A N66AP, 4.2 hours!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ross Mickey" <rmickey(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: handheld computer question |
Brad,
Since you seem to be the resident software expert, what is your take on
Doug's observations (below) of using the iPaq to run both the Anywhere map
and a MP3 player? The thread started with my question as to the best hard
drive based MP3 player as this is what I had decided to using my plane for
tunes. Then I thought about getting a two-for-one by using the iPaq. With
your observations about the iPaq crashing and Doug's comment on not being
able to run both software applications at the same time, I am back to
considering a dedicated MP3 player. comments?
Ross Mickey
RV-6
+++++++++++++++++++++From Doug Reeves
Hey Ross (and listers),
I tried to run AWM and play mp3 files at the same time this weekend. No
joy.
I think the reason it didn't work is twofold:
1. My iPaq is a 32MB model (the ones shipping now have 64MB of RAM)
2. My 900KB road database was installed on AWM. You could have probably
uninstalled the road database and had it work, but I didn't want to do
that, as I use the road db when I'm driving on a trip and want the GPS
in the car.
Hope this helped,
D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Benson, Bradley" <bbenson(at)trane.com>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: handheld computer question
> Also, in the
> month or so I've had it, IPaq in particular has crashed more than my Palm
> IIIc has crashed in the last 18 months - literally.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Alternative |
It might not have been the oil coolers fault. Too small oil lines boost the
pressure and if the oil cooler is in that line, it blows. We had 3 oil
failures in a Long Ez that way PLUS the oil filter blew. Went to a larger
oil line and the high pressure, high oil temps went away. I personally
would check the pressure into and out of the oil cooler as the gage reads
pressures a long ways away from the oil pump outlet. Your stronger oil
cooler may be just masking the real problem. If you have any further
questions, contact Ron White. longez38ar(at)juno.com He and his friend with
the blown oil coolers did a lot of instrumentation before they found the
real reasons for blown oil coolers and high oil temps in their O-320
Lycomings.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owens, Laird" <Owens(at)aerovironment.com>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Oil Cooler Alternative
I'll second Gary's opinion. The oil cooler is the last place to skimp.
A little data to back that up???? I broke the Setrab I had installed in my
RV-6 at 3 hrs. Dumped 5 of the 6 qts of oil in the airplane before I got it
back to the airport. (If you want all the gory details, see the archives).
I was lucky I got back to the airport and didn't have an oil fire. The oil
was everywhere under the cowl. Why it didn't catch fire, I'll never know.
I seem to live an adventously charmed life (with oil cooler failures and
bird strikes).
Why did the oil cooler fail. Could have been my installation, but after
disecting the cooler, it sure didn't look robust enough for me. I now have
a Niagra installed in the same manner as I mounted the Setrab, and it's
lasted over 300 hours.
Paul, please keep an eye on you cooler, and best of luck from one who
survived an oil cooler failure. I hope it doesn't happen to you.
Just another opinion.
Regards,
Laird
RV-6
SoCal
From: rv-list(at)matronics.com on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Cooler Alternative
I feel very strongly that the setrab cooler should not be used in aircraft.
The
question is not if it will fail, but when. Compared to a S/W or Niagra
cooler
it looks pretty flimsy, I know I have one (sitting on a shelf). A friend
lost
his life due to an in flight fire. The NTSB has not published any findings
that
I know of but has stated that the fire seemed to be from the lower center of
the firewall. Could have been fuel or maybe even oil. I think the oil cooler
failed. He had mounted his Setrab oil cooler in the lower center portion of
the
firewall. The pressure hoses feeding the cooler could have failed also. BTW
the
engine failed catastrophically due to oil starvation. Food for thought
Gary (no setrab here) Zilik
Paul Besing wrote:
>
> All this talk about oil coolers brought me to post about my alternative
oil
> cooler. I have a Setrab oil cooler. It is a swedish auto racing oil
cooler
> that has been successfully used in numerous Harmon Rockets. It has a very
> low profile, and is VERY efficient. In 100 + degree temperatures, I have
> seen 180-190 temps. I suspect I will have to close some of it off in the
> summer. Picutres of this cooler are on my website under the engine pages.
> Have a look. They also only cost around $70.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A N197AB Arizona
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Flying
> Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Benson, Bradley" <bbenson(at)trane.com> |
| Subject: | handheld computer question |
Ross,
That's the way I would go, mainly for the reason that I wouldn't want a
non-neccesary item (the MP3 player) potentially disrupting something more
important (the GPS). I am not confident enough in any of my handheld
devices (Palm or Pocket PC) to use them for navigation at this point. It's
definately not a knock on either Palm or Pocket PC; it's just that I trust
the software QA process of a larger company (Garmin, for example) over a
smaller company.
My plan is to stick an in-dash CD/MP3 player into my panel and run it
through a stereo intercom. By the time I get to that point, they should be
practically giving them away :-). I had a Sony in-dash CD in my Archer,
and that is probably the single biggest thing I miss on X/C trips. I'd
swear I could pick up an extra ten knots just by picking the right CD :-)
Cheers,
Brad
RV6AQB...
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Mickey [mailto:rmickey(at)ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: handheld computer question
Brad,
Since you seem to be the resident software expert, what is your take on
Doug's observations (below) of using the iPaq to run both the Anywhere map
and a MP3 player? The thread started with my question as to the best hard
drive based MP3 player as this is what I had decided to using my plane for
tunes. Then I thought about getting a two-for-one by using the iPaq. With
your observations about the iPaq crashing and Doug's comment on not being
able to run both software applications at the same time, I am back to
considering a dedicated MP3 player. comments?
Ross Mickey
RV-6
+++++++++++++++++++++From Doug Reeves
Hey Ross (and listers),
I tried to run AWM and play mp3 files at the same time this weekend. No
joy.
I think the reason it didn't work is twofold:
1. My iPaq is a 32MB model (the ones shipping now have 64MB of RAM)
2. My 900KB road database was installed on AWM. You could have probably
uninstalled the road database and had it work, but I didn't want to do
that, as I use the road db when I'm driving on a trip and want the GPS
in the car.
Hope this helped,
D
----- Original Message -----
From: "Benson, Bradley" <bbenson(at)trane.com>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: handheld computer question
> Also, in the
> month or so I've had it, IPaq in particular has crashed more than my Palm
> IIIc has crashed in the last 18 months - literally.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ross Mickey" <rmickey(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: handheld computer question |
Thanks, Brad. Why the CD player? The thing I don't like about them is that
they are heavy (we don't need the built in amp to run speakers), big, and
they can skip or pop open. The MP3 players seem lighter and more
trustworthy. The downside is that you have to burn your CD's into them.
Ross
> My plan is to stick an in-dash CD/MP3 player into my panel and run it
> through a stereo intercom. By the time I get to that point, they should
be
> practically giving them away :-). I had a Sony in-dash CD in my Archer,
> and that is probably the single biggest thing I miss on X/C trips. I'd
> swear I could pick up an extra ten knots just by picking the right CD :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Brad
> RV6AQB...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com> |
| Subject: | HS front spar riveting |
I've got a couple questions about finishing up the front HS spar (RV-7).
1) The front HS spar is primed and clecoed together, ready for riveting.
But I'm curious about the riveting technique...what do most builders do? Do
you just lay the spar on its side (on the flanges) and go to town? Do you
clamp it down somehow while riveting or let it sit free on a bench? What's
the best technique for driving those rivets holding the angles to the spars?
2) Also, the instructions and plans are somewhat confusing...I believe I'm
NOT supposed to rivet every hole...it appears that the holes where the spar
gets drilled to the fuselage attachment would preclude the need for
riveting...or do they get drilled out later?
3) The RV-7 empennage kit came with a stack of scrap Alclad sheets. Should
I be vigilant about preserving these sheets for fabricating small flanges
and stuff down the line, or should I feel free to screw around with these
scrap sheets? It's been a few weeks since the SportAir workshop, and I'd
like to practice riveting with the gun again before I start doing the front
spar. I would love to take some of this scrap and mess around with it for
practice. Or should I save it?
Thanks,
)_( Dan
dan(at)rvproject.com
http://www.rvproject.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Benson, Bradley" <bbenson(at)trane.com> |
| Subject: | handheld computer question |
I have a lot of CDs already, and plus you can fit *lots* of MP3s onto a CD.
I never had any problem with it skipping or popping the disc out (even in L3
precip with continuous moderate turbulence), and as a bonus you get an AM/FM
stereo. The radio sure beats an ADF for catching the news, etc. If I
didn't have any CDs already, I'd seriously consider an MP3-only unit.
Cheers,
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Mickey [mailto:rmickey(at)ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: handheld computer question
Thanks, Brad. Why the CD player? The thing I don't like about them is that
they are heavy (we don't need the built in amp to run speakers), big, and
they can skip or pop open. The MP3 players seem lighter and more
trustworthy. The downside is that you have to burn your CD's into them.
Ross
> My plan is to stick an in-dash CD/MP3 player into my panel and run it
> through a stereo intercom. By the time I get to that point, they should
be
> practically giving them away :-). I had a Sony in-dash CD in my Archer,
> and that is probably the single biggest thing I miss on X/C trips. I'd
> swear I could pick up an extra ten knots just by picking the right CD :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Brad
> RV6AQB...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John" <fasching(at)amigo.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: OPT-1 Question/Problem (?) |
----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <fasching(at)amigo.net>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 1:10 PM
Subject: OPT-1 Question/Problem (?)
RV-Listers: I sent the message below to Electronics International. I would
also appreciate any comments from other RV'ers that might help me resolve my
confusion. Thanks in advance.
> I installed an EI OPT-1 Oil Temp/Oil Pressure gauge in my RV6A
experimental
> airplane. It seemed to work just fine. BUT...
>
> My old oil temp gauge always showed an operating oil temperature of around
> 200 degrees, more or less, depending on what I was doing.
>
> The OPT-1 showed oil temperatures MUCH higher, around 225-degrees.
> After reworking the oil cooler's duct system (A Niagara 20002A unit) and
> adding a "Cool Collar" to the oil filter (a finned heat discharge metal
> sleeve), and adding heat shields to deflect hot air from the exhaust away
> from the oil sump, and adding a cowl flap below the oil cooler to increase
> exit air volume (or reduce exit air pressure) I still find I am too high
(if
> I am to believe the OPT-1)
>
> Today I put the oil temperature sensor into boiling water and left it
'cook'
> for about 5 minutes. The local altimeter was 30.37 inches of Hg, and the
> temperature was 72-F. While the sensor was in the boiling water the
OPT-1
> gave a reading of 189-degrees. (This appears to be reading too low if the
> charts on altitude vs boiling points I have are correct.)
>
> Strangely, this seems backwards ... I would expect it to read HIGHER than
> 189-F when in the water, and if my old gauge was ANYWHERE near right and
the
> OPT-1 was in error.
>
> I would appreciate your comments before I tear more of the airplane apart
> trying to resolve the problem.
>
> John fasching(at)amigo.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: bolt length and front bulkhead (was Prop Spinner Front |
Bulk...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | handheld computer question |
| From: | Larry Pardue <n5lp(at)carlsbad.net> |
>
>
>Ross,
>
>That's the way I would go, mainly for the reason that I wouldn't want a
>non-neccesary item (the MP3 player) potentially disrupting something more
>important (the GPS). I am not confident enough in any of my handheld
>devices (Palm or Pocket PC) to use them for navigation at this point. It's
>definately not a knock on either Palm or Pocket PC; it's just that I trust
>the software QA process of a larger company (Garmin, for example) over a
>smaller company.
>
Some comments on the iPaq and Anywhere Moving Map for navigation.
I first saw the AWM system at the Cougar Landing fly-in this year. My
first reaction was to walk away fast from anything with that many parts
and cords but later became somewhat seduced with all the neato features.
I ended up buying a system and have nothing but regrets for doing so.
I have the 3650 iPaq. First I purchased a Pharos GPS to go with it. The
Pharos never did work well with the AWM software and the iPaq. I don't
know where the problem was, after all you are dealing with three
different companies here (four if you include Microsoft). The system
would often lose navigational lock even though communication was still
good between the GPS and the iPaq.
Step two was to buy another GPS, the more expensive one recommended by
AWM, a Garmin 35. This setup works much better. The Garmin does not
lose navigation lock and acquires the satellites quickly. But still
there were problems, such as the iPaq unexpectedly turning off, or only
allowing me to navigate to an airport in South America until it is
rebooted. I later found out the turning off problem will not occur, if
you follow a certain shut down sequence every time. It is not enough to
turn the unit off.
More problems:
Screen visibility is often terrible. This depends on sun angle and
whether I am wearing sunglasses or not, but more often than not, when
mounted in my panel, it is next to impossible to read anything on the
screen except for the very large and high contrast items, and even then I
may need to shade with my hand to read what I want.
The software is amateurish. You read things like it shows airspace
boundaries and distances to airports continuously, but they do not say
the software is not smart enough to adjust such that you can actually see
those things. For instance the mileage figures are generally displayed
on top of or under something else such that it is illegible. My biggest
hope was that this setup would help in complex airspace areas like
Southern California. It is completely hopeless in such an area to see
much of anything as things are just piled on top of each other. Very
inexpensive Garmin street GPS's are smart enough to adjust the display to
avoid this problem.
The software in not dependable. As just one example, I was flying to the
El Paso area this weekend and wanted to know how far to the El Paso
airport so I could report my distance to ATC (a very basic function).
First I tried to read the display directly. No chance. Then I used the
nearest function but ELP would not show up. Many other airports, further
away showed up, but not that one. Typical. Then I started thinking
about how I would report my position to ATC in an emergency. My old
panel mount just requires a knob turn to the lat/long position, but I
couldn't think of any way to do it with the AWM.
The input procedure is hopeless. It takes a much more coordinated person
than me to input something like an identifier with the tiny onscreen
typewriter keyboard in anything but perfectly smooth air. AWM has tried
to improve this recently, but I find I can't use the new system, because
I can't read the screen well enough.
I am using this system now because my old panel mount UPS 360 GPS is in
the shop. The UPS GPS is a very basic unit but I have new found respect
for it. It is reliable (until it broke) and it is always easy to read
and I can input data. It provides almost everything I need a GPS for,
simply and reliably and it runs my autopilot. I still am not happy with
the way it displays SUA but that is about my only complaint.
I know there are people that like this system but I would urge anyone who
is considering purchasing it to try it in an airplane. I am going to
keep the iPaq for other purposes but anyone who wants a discount price on
a Pharos GPS or Garmin 35 GPS (both with integrated antenna) or the AWM
software, just let me know.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://www.carlsbadnm.com/n5lp/index.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fw: OPT-1 Question/Problem (?) |
John,
I also have the OPT-1 and have been meaning to do the boiling water test but
haven't gotten around to it. A reading of 189 in water that you know is 212
is most disturbing for a gauge that is supposed to be top of the line.
Please keep us posted as to how E.I. responds and what ends up happening.
Now you have me worried that mine is not accurate. BTW, I've always found
that the phone works better for tech support issues with them than e-mail.
Dave Campbell is their tech support guy and he's generally very helpful.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 127 hrs.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John" <fasching(at)amigo.net>
> To: <Sales@Buy-EI.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 1:10 PM
> Subject: OPT-1 Question/Problem (?)
>
> RV-Listers: I sent the message below to Electronics International. I would
> also appreciate any comments from other RV'ers that might help me resolve
my
> confusion. Thanks in advance.
>
> > I installed an EI OPT-1 Oil Temp/Oil Pressure gauge in my RV6A
> experimental
> > airplane. It seemed to work just fine. BUT...
> >
> > My old oil temp gauge always showed an operating oil temperature of
around
> > 200 degrees, more or less, depending on what I was doing.
> >
> > The OPT-1 showed oil temperatures MUCH higher, around 225-degrees.
> > After reworking the oil cooler's duct system (A Niagara 20002A unit) and
> > adding a "Cool Collar" to the oil filter (a finned heat discharge metal
> > sleeve), and adding heat shields to deflect hot air from the exhaust
away
> > from the oil sump, and adding a cowl flap below the oil cooler to
increase
> > exit air volume (or reduce exit air pressure) I still find I am too high
> (if
> > I am to believe the OPT-1)
> >
> > Today I put the oil temperature sensor into boiling water and left it
> 'cook'
> > for about 5 minutes. The local altimeter was 30.37 inches of Hg, and
the
> > temperature was 72-F. While the sensor was in the boiling water the
> OPT-1
> > gave a reading of 189-degrees. (This appears to be reading too low if
the
> > charts on altitude vs boiling points I have are correct.)
> >
> > Strangely, this seems backwards ... I would expect it to read HIGHER
than
> > 189-F when in the water, and if my old gauge was ANYWHERE near right and
> the
> > OPT-1 was in error.
> >
> > I would appreciate your comments before I tear more of the airplane
apart
> > trying to resolve the problem.
> >
> > John fasching(at)amigo.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dwight Frye <dwight(at)openweave.org> |
| Subject: | Empennage Jig Question |
I'm getting some conflicting opinions, so I thought I would ask
what other folks are doing about using a jig for the RV-7 empennage.
(I'll likely get some more conflicting opinions, I know, but I
hope more input will help _me_ come to _my_ decision on the issue.)
I have heard people say (and some of Van's literature) that with
the pre-punched parts on the RV-7 you don't really need to build the
big H-frame jig. I have gotten the impression that some feel it is
fine to just build on a bench top.
Did you build the jig? Did you skip it? Enquiring minds wanna know.
Can anyone give me the pros/cons of using/not-using the jig? How
about building a jig that is _not_ attached to the ceiling, but
is on casters (as I have seen at least one person doing on their
web site) so that it can be rolled out of the way?
I don't _mind_ building it (and attaching it to the ceiling) if
that is the right thing to do. However, if I can delay consuming
that space in the garage (or make the pain less by having it be
movable) it would be great to be able to do so!
Thanks, in advance, for any info you can give me. :)
-- Dwight
Empennage kit arriving on Wednesday ....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Textor" <pincjt(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Empennage Jig Question |
Hi Dwight,
I did my 8 (pre-punched skins) in a jig. Before starting I thought the jig
was a real hassle. It's not. It is a great way to hold the HS and VS not
to mention the wings, while drilling and riveting. Whatever method you use
you will want it secure.
Good luck,
Jack
DSM
RV8
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dwight Frye
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:31 PM
Subject: RV-List: Empennage Jig Question
I'm getting some conflicting opinions, so I thought I would ask
what other folks are doing about using a jig for the RV-7 empennage.
(I'll likely get some more conflicting opinions, I know, but I
hope more input will help _me_ come to _my_ decision on the issue.)
I have heard people say (and some of Van's literature) that with
the pre-punched parts on the RV-7 you don't really need to build the
big H-frame jig. I have gotten the impression that some feel it is
fine to just build on a bench top.
Did you build the jig? Did you skip it? Enquiring minds wanna know.
Can anyone give me the pros/cons of using/not-using the jig? How
about building a jig that is _not_ attached to the ceiling, but
is on casters (as I have seen at least one person doing on their
web site) so that it can be rolled out of the way?
I don't _mind_ building it (and attaching it to the ceiling) if
that is the right thing to do. However, if I can delay consuming
that space in the garage (or make the pain less by having it be
movable) it would be great to be able to do so!
Thanks, in advance, for any info you can give me. :)
-- Dwight
Empennage kit arriving on Wednesday ....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | tchoug <tchoug(at)micron.com> |
| Subject: | Empennage Jig Question |
Dwight,
Since it's possibly my website and castered wing jig that you may be
referring to, let me add a few comments.
I think the critical difference you may be overlooking is the match punched
empennage of the RV-9A vs. the pre-punched RV-7. Someone correct me if I'm
wrong, but I believe the RV-7 tail is still the original -6 kit with
prepunched skins, but not match punched ribs. I'm not sure what other parts
on the -7 empennage are pre-punched, but I believe they recommend using the
jig to make sure you get things square.
The RV-9 empennage is 100% match punched - all ribs, skins and spars. Thus
you can build it on the bench in a couple V-blocks with out a rigid jig
because there is no chance of misalignment. I built my -9 empennage on the
bench prior to construction of my rolling wing jig. The rolling jig should
work great for the -7 wings (and new match punched -8) as well since they
are completely match punched. With the match punched wing kits you only need
to secure the main spar at the ends and let the rear spar hang below. I did
this with my wings and dropped a plumb bob from either end to check for
twist and found them to be within 1/32" at each end - both wings. I believe
you could build a very rigid castered jig for building the pre-punched HS
and VS and match punched wings.
Good luck,
Todd Houg
RV-9A - N194TH reserved
St. Francis, MN
-----Original Message-----
From: Dwight Frye [mailto:dwight(at)openweave.org]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:31 PM
Subject: RV-List: Empennage Jig Question
I'm getting some conflicting opinions, so I thought I would ask
what other folks are doing about using a jig for the RV-7 empennage.
(I'll likely get some more conflicting opinions, I know, but I
hope more input will help _me_ come to _my_ decision on the issue.)
I have heard people say (and some of Van's literature) that with
the pre-punched parts on the RV-7 you don't really need to build the
big H-frame jig. I have gotten the impression that some feel it is
fine to just build on a bench top.
Did you build the jig? Did you skip it? Enquiring minds wanna know.
Can anyone give me the pros/cons of using/not-using the jig? How
about building a jig that is _not_ attached to the ceiling, but
is on casters (as I have seen at least one person doing on their
web site) so that it can be rolled out of the way?
I don't _mind_ building it (and attaching it to the ceiling) if
that is the right thing to do. However, if I can delay consuming
that space in the garage (or make the pain less by having it be
movable) it would be great to be able to do so!
Thanks, in advance, for any info you can give me. :)
-- Dwight
Empennage kit arriving on Wednesday ....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ollie Washburn" <skybolt-aviator(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld GPS |
imho the best gps for the $ is Lowrance 300.Been using one since they first
came out.I now also have a Anywhere map using a ipaq pda.
Ollie&Lorene Washburn
RV6-A,N795LW,@FD77.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KBoatri144(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld GPS |
In a message dated 9/10/01 4:05:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 6430(at)axion.net
writes:
<< I would like to ask your opinion on which make/model you would get as best
bang for the buck. >>
I went through this same process a couple of months ago. I was looking for a
unit to replace my old Trimble Flightmate Pro, which had an LCD that was
going downhill fast.
I wanted to spend ($500 or less) and narrowed it down pretty quickly to the
Lowrance Airmap 100 and the Garmin GPS III Pilot. The Lowrance was availible
for $375 or so without accessories, and the Garmin was about $100 more
without accessories. Eventually, online reviews at Avweb, Chief Avionics,
and other sites showed a consensus that the Lowrance was a better value,
because it is supposedly easier to use, and costs less, while having better
features and similar GPS performance. The Lowrance left a few $ left in the
budget, so I went ahead and got the entire Lowrance kit, with yoke mount
(yoke mount? who needs that?), cigarette lighter adapter, carrying case, and
an external antenna (the only important item).
I had some concern before I used the unit that I would need the external
antenna, because I strap the GPS to my leg, kind of like a kneeboard. As it
turns out, I get good reception without the external antenna, so it and the
remainder of the accessory package stay at home now.
My recommendation: Buy the Lowrance without any accessories. If it turns
out that you (or any other lister) needs any of the accessories, I'm taking
offers.
Kyle Boatright
0-320/Aymar Demuth RV-6 Slider
Kennesaw, GA
http://www.angelfire.com/my/rv6
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Tanner" <gtanner(at)bendcable.com> |
I have used my Airmap 300 for 2+ years now. Works great except in a high
wing it has a tendency to loose signal at times. (I never use the external
antenna which would help)
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ollie Washburn
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Handheld GPS
imho the best gps for the $ is Lowrance 300.Been using one since they first
came out.I now also have a Anywhere map using a ipaq pda.
Ollie&Lorene Washburn
RV6-A,N795LW,@FD77.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Calvert" <rv6bldr(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HS front spar riveting |
Dan,
(1) Squeeze all the rivets you can with a hand sqeezer! Just set a 2x4
under each end and start in middle and work to the ends.
If you must set some rivets with the gun, it helps to have the spar
held firm while riveting.
(2) Wait on drilling the holes that will attach the HS to the fuse. Those
are drilled in assembly.
(3) I used very little of the scrap in the bundles. Guess you could
practice with it. The key to good riveting is AIR PRESSURE. You will need
a air setting for
the 3/32" and more air for the 1/8". Find a setting that gives you a
good shop head with a burst that lasts about 1 to 1 1/2 seconds on 3/32".
Add more air and
a burst of about 2 seconds on 1/8". Masking tape on the flush sets and
duct tape on the universal head sets helps keep the manufactured heads
looking nice.
And ofcourse, good alignment of the gun and bucking bar on the rivet
helps a lot!
Good luck,
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok -6
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Checkoway <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: HS front spar riveting
>
> I've got a couple questions about finishing up the front HS spar (RV-7).
>
> 1) The front HS spar is primed and clecoed together, ready for riveting.
> But I'm curious about the riveting technique...what do most builders do?
Do
> you just lay the spar on its side (on the flanges) and go to town? Do you
> clamp it down somehow while riveting or let it sit free on a bench?
What's
> the best technique for driving those rivets holding the angles to the
spars?
>
> 2) Also, the instructions and plans are somewhat confusing...I believe I'm
> NOT supposed to rivet every hole...it appears that the holes where the
spar
> gets drilled to the fuselage attachment would preclude the need for
> riveting...or do they get drilled out later?
>
> 3) The RV-7 empennage kit came with a stack of scrap Alclad sheets.
Should
> I be vigilant about preserving these sheets for fabricating small flanges
> and stuff down the line, or should I feel free to screw around with these
> scrap sheets? It's been a few weeks since the SportAir workshop, and I'd
> like to practice riveting with the gun again before I start doing the
front
> spar. I would love to take some of this scrap and mess around with it for
> practice. Or should I save it?
>
> Thanks,
> )_( Dan
> dan(at)rvproject.com
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Woodward Prop Governor Overhauler |
In a message dated 9/10/01 11:25:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
crowbotham(at)hotmail.com writes:
> All,
>
> Any recommendations for a good & reasonable Woodward prop governor overhaul
> shop, perferably East of the Miss?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
> RV-8A (Flying)
>
I got mine overhauled at Tiffin Aire in Tiffin, Ohio. I checked a number of
Eastern shops and they gave me the best price. Best is relative, it cost
less than a new gov. Their number is (800) 553-7767.
Rick McBride
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: HS front spar riveting |
Comment inserted in Jerry's message.
>
>Dan,
>
>(2) Wait on drilling the holes that will attach the HS to the fuse. Those
>are drilled in assembly.
If you need to use the gun, it is worth using the C-Frame tool if you have
one. My Avery C-Frame tool came with an attachment that fits into a rivet
gun. This holds the gun perfectly still. You just have to hold the spar
with one hand, and squeeze the trigger with the other. Works beautifully,
much better than using a bucking bar, as everything is held in nice alignment.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dan Checkoway <dan(at)rvproject.com>
>To: ; ;
>
>Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 1:16 PM
>Subject: RV-List: HS front spar riveting
>
>
> >
> > I've got a couple questions about finishing up the front HS spar (RV-7).
> >
> > 1) The front HS spar is primed and clecoed together, ready for riveting.
> > But I'm curious about the riveting technique...what do most builders do?
>Do
> > you just lay the spar on its side (on the flanges) and go to town? Do you
> > clamp it down somehow while riveting or let it sit free on a bench?
>What's
> > the best technique for driving those rivets holding the angles to the
>spars?
> >
> > 2) Also, the instructions and plans are somewhat confusing...I believe I'm
> > NOT supposed to rivet every hole...it appears that the holes where the
>spar
> > gets drilled to the fuselage attachment would preclude the need for
> > riveting...or do they get drilled out later?
> >
> > 3) The RV-7 empennage kit came with a stack of scrap Alclad sheets.
>Should
> > I be vigilant about preserving these sheets for fabricating small flanges
> > and stuff down the line, or should I feel free to screw around with these
> > scrap sheets? It's been a few weeks since the SportAir workshop, and I'd
> > like to practice riveting with the gun again before I start doing the
>front
> > spar. I would love to take some of this scrap and mess around with it for
> > practice. Or should I save it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > )_( Dan
> > dan(at)rvproject.com
> > http://www.rvproject.com
> >
> >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Hall" <robjhallcos(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld GPS |
Austin,
Take a good look at the Garmin GPS Pilot III. I have been flying with mine
for three years now and like it a lot. It sits on the center of the glare
shield in my RV-6 where it is out of the way and easy to see. The screen is
a little small, but it is easy enough to zoom in and out depending on what
you want to see. I love the ground mapping features and the database. I
thought mine was a steal at $599. Today, I think you can get it anytime for
$475, $425 if you can catch it on sale. The only extra I bought was the
aux power cord to save on batteries in the long run.
Good luck in your search
Bob Hall, RV6
Colorado Springs
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Albert Gardner" <albert.gardner(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve where? |
----- Original Message -----
From: "C J Heitman" <cjh(at)execpc.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: parking brake valve where?
> http://www.execpc.com/~cjh/brake_valve.html
Chris-great pictures of your parking brake setup. A question though, why do
we need the large brake hoses that go from the left side master cylinders to
the firewall parking brake valve? Vans uses large hoses here but with
bulkhead connectors instead of the parking brake assy. But between the left
side and right side master cylinders in a dual brake setup they use 44NSR
nylon tube with brass fittings. So why don't we use 44NSR instead of the
larger brake lines?
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
RV-9A: N872RV (Reserved)
Working on fuse
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Marcel Bourgon" <mbourgon(at)elp.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Empennage Jig Question |
Greetings from El Paso.
I am presently building a 9a and my partner in crime is building the new 7A.
I had the large jig in our shop for mine and we built the empenage on the
jig as well. It makes life a great deal simpler to be able to open the skin
and rivet units together. We were able to align everything in jig and it
really made sence to us to use the jig. It makes life simpler
Marcel finishing up wings almost ready for fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dwight Frye" <dwight(at)openweave.org>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:30 PM
Subject: RV-List: Empennage Jig Question
>
> I'm getting some conflicting opinions, so I thought I would ask
> what other folks are doing about using a jig for the RV-7 empennage.
> (I'll likely get some more conflicting opinions, I know, but I
> hope more input will help _me_ come to _my_ decision on the issue.)
>
> I have heard people say (and some of Van's literature) that with
> the pre-punched parts on the RV-7 you don't really need to build the
> big H-frame jig. I have gotten the impression that some feel it is
> fine to just build on a bench top.
>
> Did you build the jig? Did you skip it? Enquiring minds wanna know.
> Can anyone give me the pros/cons of using/not-using the jig? How
> about building a jig that is _not_ attached to the ceiling, but
> is on casters (as I have seen at least one person doing on their
> web site) so that it can be rolled out of the way?
>
> I don't _mind_ building it (and attaching it to the ceiling) if
> that is the right thing to do. However, if I can delay consuming
> that space in the garage (or make the pain less by having it be
> movable) it would be great to be able to do so!
>
> Thanks, in advance, for any info you can give me. :)
>
> -- Dwight
> Empennage kit arriving on Wednesday ....
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John" <fasching(at)amigo.net> |
| Subject: | re OPT-1 Question/Problem (?) |
FYI, Listers, Electronics International replied to my e-mail query very
promptly, and after an e-mail exchange we discussed the problem (?) on the
phone and they wanted the instrument back for check-out/recalibration or
whatever.
Can't complain about their response. It was what you would want.
More when things settle out.
John at Salida, CO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | b green <rvinfo(at)juno.com> |
Anyone have any thoughts on replacement tires? I am considering the
McCreary Superhawk, the Goodyear Flight Custom II and the Michelin AIR.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robert McCallum <robert.mccallum2(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance NOW WHAT??? |
In Canada we MUST use the weight published by the designer.
Bob McC
Greg Young wrote:
>
> This is allowed in the U.S. but Doug is in Canada.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary A. Sobek" <rv6flier(at)yahoo.com> |
--- b green wrote:
>
> Anyone have any thoughts on replacement tires? I am considering the
> McCreary Superhawk, the Goodyear Flight Custom II and the Michelin
> AIR.
I am getting almost 400 hours on the Goodyears. They are rotated when
1/2 worn out.
I paid about $72 each but they have been cheaper per landing than the
Condors.
====
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
942+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.tripod.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "CiminoJim" <CiminoJim(at)email.msn.com> |
| Subject: | New Slick Ignition Harness for Sale |
I have a new Unison (Slick) Ignition Harness for sale, part # M4006. It
will fit all Lycoming 4 cylinders with Slick 4300 Series Mags and 5/8-24
spark plug threads. This harness is longer than most. It can be
shortened or used as is by bundling the wires at the mags(this is how my
old one was installed). From what I understand...the older engines
sometimes ran the wires up along the intake tubes. By the way...I won
this on a poker run in New England. I want $85.00 for it and I will pay
the shipping.
Contact me off list please.
Jim Cimino
RV-8 sn 80039 N7TL Reserved
http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/
(570)842-4057
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie Kuss <chaskuss(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: engines available? |
Scott
I have a nice assortment of rubber bands I'd be happy to sell him!! :-) Here is
the beginning of your photos. I did a full and close up of each. The resolution
leaves something to be desired in the closeups.
How about sending me an email with an explaination of how you built your oil
filler door. I'll post that and the photos on our web site.
Charlie
ABAYMAN(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
> I have a friend looking for an engine for his rv6a, anyone with knowlege of
> an engine please contact me off list, he said he will entertain anything that
> will fit.i already forwarded the one Todd in Kansas had listed, but seem to
> remember Eustice advertising a couple weeks ago.
> scott
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Marty Sailer" <rvmarty(at)port1.citx.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Woodward Prop Governor Overhauler |
I purchased an overhauled Woodward from Pro-Prop Governor and Accessories
Hallstead, Pa. 877 888 9072 Give Mike a call - great guy and an EAA'er
Marty RV-6A
>Any recommendations for a good & reasonable Woodward prop governor overhaul
>shop, perferably East of the Miss?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
>RV-8A (Flying)
>Niantic, CT (Westerly airport)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: streamlined oil cooler door |
Listers
some of you were waiting on my pictures of my oil door, go to the link below
and see them. at the bottom of this is the steps i took to achieve the
results.
http://members5.clubphoto.com/scott351659/504362/owner-b6b0.phtml
enjoy
scott
tampa
Stream lined oil cooler door
by Scott Reviere
1. cut away the recess in the coweling as you would normally do.
2. find the best contour of the oil door and place it under the hole you now
have in the coweling
3. trace the area of the oil door and leave it slightly longer.
4. cut the traced area out of the door, and measure carefully and cut at an
angle
( slant ) through the center, so you have 2 pieces that bevel where they mate
in the middle.
5. use the hinges that came with the kit and remove 2 eyes in the center of
2 pieces for each door. ( you have 2 doors now that you cut the main oil door
in half)
6. insert a mouse trap spring in the missing eyelets and insert the pin.
do this on both hinges so you have a mouse trap spring on each door. rivit
the hinges to the cowel.
7. to keep the door from popping up through the cowel, rivit strips of the
oil door you removed earlier when you trimed the door to fit. you have to
make a spacer under each of the strips, so the doors will end up flush with
the outside of the coweling.
8. put a very thin coat of epoxy mixed with microballoons and sand as
necessary to acheive a perfect contour, gap around the doors, and center seam.
9. make sure you don't get epoxy in the springs or hinges.
10. sand the strips inside to make a nice looking surrounding of the door.
11. with the center seam at a slanted cut, the top door closes first, and the
bottom door closes last every time so the seam will hardly be noticable.
note.
when this is done, you can adjust the tension of the mouse springs as
necessary by bending the ends and curling them down toward the cowel. you can
make the doors as tight or as loose as you want.
by luck, mine turned out like this.
you press the doors inward a little and they snap back.
you press them in all the way and they lock open ( the spring binds )
you press them again and the snap back.
it didn't take long to do this, and is lighter, more streamlined, and is
easier to open and close, no moving parts or hardware latches. also being
able to have it stay open after flights to relieve built up heat in the
engine compartment is a extra benifit.
well that's my contribution to the list for the week.
hope you enjoy it
scott reviere
tampa, fla
rv6a N747ES reserved O360 c/s
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| From: | "C J Heitman" <cjh(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | parking brake valve where? |
Albert,
I don't have right side brakes so this doesn't really apply to my setup but
I suspect that Van's wants a hose with a higher pressure rating on the
pilot's side. If a right seat pilot stomps on the brakes and bursts the
plastic line between the copilot and pilot master cylinders, the left seat
pilot will still be able to apply brakes. The lightweight Teflon racing
hoses that I used are rated for a minimum burst pressure of 12,000 psi!!!
(3,000 psi operating pressure.) I don't know what the 44NSR is rated for but
I suspect it is a factor of 10 less.
Chris Heitman
Dousman WI
RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
http://www.execpc.com/~cjh/brake_valve.html
----Original Message-----
Chris-great pictures of your parking brake setup. A question though, why do
we need the large brake hoses that go from the left side master cylinders to
the firewall parking brake valve? Vans uses large hoses here but with
bulkhead connectors instead of the parking brake assy. But between the left
side and right side master cylinders in a dual brake setup they use 44NSR
nylon tube with brass fittings. So why don't we use 44NSR instead of the
larger brake lines?
Albert Gardner
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larygagnon(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Ride to RV Forumn |
I have time scheduled with Mike Segar on Sunday mid morning and I'm looking
for a ride from CT or Mass to Oswego. I can't leave early enough in my
Kitfox to get there in time. Anyone going up for the day Sunday that wants a
cost sharing passenger contact me by e-mail or phone. I can meet someone
within 100 miles of Central Connecticut.
Larry Gagnon
860-667-9999 days
RV6 Finishing Kit N6LG (reserved)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "C J Heitman" <cjh(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | how to "recharge" dehydrator plugs |
One of the MS27215-2 dehydrator plugs in my Aero Sport Power engine is no
longer a deep blue color. Is there a procedure for "recharging" it?
Chris Heitman
RV-9A
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| From: | "Gary Coonan" <gcoonan(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Empennage Jig Question |
Well I spent a weekend building the jig and used it to build my
empennage, however, my bench top would have done just fine. The -7 does
not require the alignment that not having the pre-punched holes would
require. It is hard to screw up with the holes punched for you. You
will need something to hold the wing frames while you are working on
them, but almost anything will do. Opinions vary of course, so to each
his own. Just like some folks take the time to create bueatiful
websites about their project while others don't.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Bourgon
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Empennage Jig Question
Greetings from El Paso.
I am presently building a 9a and my partner in crime is building the new
7A.
I had the large jig in our shop for mine and we built the empenage on
the
jig as well. It makes life a great deal simpler to be able to open the
skin
and rivet units together. We were able to align everything in jig and
it
really made sence to us to use the jig. It makes life simpler
Marcel finishing up wings almost ready for fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dwight Frye" <dwight(at)openweave.org>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:30 PM
Subject: RV-List: Empennage Jig Question
>
> I'm getting some conflicting opinions, so I thought I would ask
> what other folks are doing about using a jig for the RV-7 empennage.
> (I'll likely get some more conflicting opinions, I know, but I
> hope more input will help _me_ come to _my_ decision on the issue.)
>
> I have heard people say (and some of Van's literature) that with
> the pre-punched parts on the RV-7 you don't really need to build the
> big H-frame jig. I have gotten the impression that some feel it is
> fine to just build on a bench top.
>
> Did you build the jig? Did you skip it? Enquiring minds wanna know.
> Can anyone give me the pros/cons of using/not-using the jig? How
> about building a jig that is _not_ attached to the ceiling, but
> is on casters (as I have seen at least one person doing on their
> web site) so that it can be rolled out of the way?
>
> I don't _mind_ building it (and attaching it to the ceiling) if
> that is the right thing to do. However, if I can delay consuming
> that space in the garage (or make the pain less by having it be
> movable) it would be great to be able to do so!
>
> Thanks, in advance, for any info you can give me. :)
>
> -- Dwight
> Empennage kit arriving on Wednesday ....
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lkyswede(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Handheld GPS |
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve where? |
I'm getting into this late but for what it's worth I had a problem fitting
the pilot side hoses into Van's parking brake valve because the inlet hole
spacing on the valve would not permit the use of 90 degree AN fittings. I
called Van's and they suggested that I use the 44NSR hose with brass fittings
as are used on the passenger side brakes. They told me that the 44 NSR brake
lines were standard on the -4s for years with no problems. Just my $0.02!
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, finish kit stuff
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| From: | "Douglas G. Murray" <dgmurray(at)telusplanet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: how to "recharge" dehydrator plugs |
Chris -
I read somewhere that you can place the plugs in an oven for a bit to dry
them out by heating them. When the color returns indicating they are dry,
then they can be returned to service.
Doug Murray
Southern Alberta
>
> One of the MS27215-2 dehydrator plugs in my Aero Sport Power engine is no
> longer a deep blue color. Is there a procedure for "recharging" it?
>
> Chris Heitman
> RV-9A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Besing" <azpilot(at)extremezone.com> |
| Subject: | Slop in control stick |
Has anyone noticed their control stick getting more slop in it (for elevator
control) after flying? I haven't pulled the seat pans yet, so I haven't
seen if there is a problem.
Paul Besing
RV-6A N197AB Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Flying
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Gray" <bruce.gray(at)snet.net> |
| Subject: | how to "recharge" dehydrator plugs |
Yep, bake them in the oven. BUT, first unscrew the top and pour the crystals
into a baking sheet. DO NOT HEAT THE ENTIRE UNIT.
Bruce
Glasair III
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Douglas G.
Murray
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: how to "recharge" dehydrator plugs
Chris -
I read somewhere that you can place the plugs in an oven for a bit to dry
them out by heating them. When the color returns indicating they are dry,
then they can be returned to service.
Doug Murray
Southern Alberta
>
> One of the MS27215-2 dehydrator plugs in my Aero Sport Power engine is no
> longer a deep blue color. Is there a procedure for "recharging" it?
>
> Chris Heitman
> RV-9A
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Slop in control stick |
Paul, the slop you refer to showed up on Casper after about 15 Hrs. It concerned
me, so I pulled all covers etc off to inspect every piece of the elevator
system. What I found is each of the four ball joints has loosened a little,
which cumulatively adds up to that slightly noticeable slop you refer to. Casper
now has over 40 Hrs and the slop has not changed. Also, if you check, you will
feel it also has almost the same thing going on with the aileron system. I
checked a friends RV6 and it has exactly the same amount of slop as mine. He has
around 500 hrs on it, and until I mentioned it he hadn't even noticed it.
Garry "Caspers Dad"
Paul Besing wrote:
>
> Has anyone noticed their control stick getting more slop in it (for elevator
> control) after flying? I haven't pulled the seat pans yet, so I haven't
> seen if there is a problem.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A N197AB Arizona
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> Flying
> Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Sears" <sears(at)searnet.com> |
> > Anyone have any thoughts on replacement tires? I am considering the
> > McCreary Superhawk, the Goodyear Flight Custom II and the
>> Michelin AIR.
>
> I am getting almost 400 hours on the Goodyears. They are rotated when
> 1/2 worn out.
>
> I paid about $72 each but they have been cheaper per landing than the
> Condors.
I bought a set of Air Hawks for mine since it looked like comparable size
Goodyears and Michelins would not fit under my wheel pants without rubbing
something. I have the older single piece main paints. After about 60 tach
hours and lots of landings, they seem to be wearing much better than the
original tires. I don't think that my landings are any better, either.
If you have the older pants, you might want to try those. The price I paid
for two of those was about the same, or less, than the one Goodyear; but,
price doesn't mean much unless one can get the landings or can get them to
fit inside the pant.
BTW, my flights are normally less than an hour per flight. In the 400
hours, were those short flights or long cross countries? Are you flying
off grass or hard surface? Those two things could make tires last much
longer than average. I fly off hard surface, land too fast, and will be
happy with 100 hours on a tire. Two hundred hours would be wonderful and is
about the norm for a set of Goodyears for me. That's all I had on my
Cheetah, when I owned it. At the current wear rate, I may just make that
with my cheap tires. If you have the big pants, it's a moot point because
you can use the bigger and better tires. I can't.
Jim Sears in KY
RV-6A N198JS
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| From: | Mike Thompson <grobdriver(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve where? |
> I'm getting into this late but for what it's worth I had a problem
> fitting
> the pilot side hoses into Van's parking brake valve because the inlet
> hole
> spacing on the valve would not permit the use of 90 degree AN
> fittings.
I beat this problem by placing a small nipple in the valve:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV-6and6A/files/%20Tips%2C%20Tricks%20%26%20Suggestions/RV-6%20Parking%20Brake/Parking%20Brake2.JPG
This pushed the elbow out to where I could rotate it to tighten.
Mike Thompson
Austin, TX
-6 N140RV (Reserved)
Firewall Forward
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Schreck <RonSchreck(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Tailwheel endorsement |
Message text written by Tom Ervin
> Since I had a Bi-Annual coming due I decided to try and get my
Tail Dragger endorsement to gain even more confidence for 1st flight.
Boy did I pick the right aircraft! <
I keep hearing about this Tail Dragger endorsement. Could someone please
point to the FAR that requires this endorsement. I have never owned a tail
dragger but have flown several over the years. Have I been doing something
illegal? Leads me to ask, in olden days when every airplane was a tail
dragger did pilots need a nosewheel endorsement before taking off in those
new fangled contraptions with the tailwheel on the wrong end?
Ron Schreck
RV-8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Persyk" <dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net> |
I have 235 hard-surface, hot landings in 101 hours. I use up almost 1500
feet of runway before turning off, no breaking required. I land in much
shorter distances with moderate braking effort. Most of my the landings are
solo. I have heavy wear on the outside edge of the tire, and virtually no
wear anywhere else. I'll soon flip the tires over to wear out the other
edge.
My landing gear geometry is per Van's specs and I carefully set camber and
toe-in before driling the mounts. I am dissapointed in the rapid edge wear.
Dennis Persyk N600DP 101 hours O360A1A Hartzell C38/68IS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Sears" <sears(at)searnet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Tires
>
> > > Anyone have any thoughts on replacement tires? I am considering the
> > > McCreary Superhawk, the Goodyear Flight Custom II and the
> >> Michelin AIR.
> >
> > I am getting almost 400 hours on the Goodyears. They are rotated when
> > 1/2 worn out.
> >
> > I paid about $72 each but they have been cheaper per landing than the
> > Condors.
>
> I bought a set of Air Hawks for mine since it looked like comparable size
> Goodyears and Michelins would not fit under my wheel pants without rubbing
> something. I have the older single piece main paints. After about 60
tach
> hours and lots of landings, they seem to be wearing much better than the
> original tires. I don't think that my landings are any better, either.
> If you have the older pants, you might want to try those. The price I
paid
> for two of those was about the same, or less, than the one Goodyear; but,
> price doesn't mean much unless one can get the landings or can get them to
> fit inside the pant.
>
> BTW, my flights are normally less than an hour per flight. In the 400
> hours, were those short flights or long cross countries? Are you flying
> off grass or hard surface? Those two things could make tires last much
> longer than average. I fly off hard surface, land too fast, and will be
> happy with 100 hours on a tire. Two hundred hours would be wonderful and
is
> about the norm for a set of Goodyears for me. That's all I had on my
> Cheetah, when I owned it. At the current wear rate, I may just make that
> with my cheap tires. If you have the big pants, it's a moot point because
> you can use the bigger and better tires. I can't.
>
> Jim Sears in KY
> RV-6A N198JS
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric.J.Henson(at)chase.com |
11:34:10 AM
God Bless America
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SportAV8R(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 09/11/2001 11:15:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dpersyk(at)worldnet.att.net writes:
> I have heavy wear on the outside edge of the tire, and virtually no
> wear anywhere else. I'll soon flip the tires over to wear out the other
> edge.
>
> My landing gear geometry is per Van's specs and I carefully set camber and
> toe-in before driling the mounts. I am dissapointed in the rapid edge
wear.
>
Me, too, but I'm only wearing out the left tire on the 6A. Wonder what
gives? Maybe I land in a crab with the nose yawed right and don't perceive
it.
I plan to replace tires when I redo the wheel pants to upgrade to
pressure-recoverey type. Looks like I won't be making any landings for now,
since they require takeoffs, and they are now banned. The things fallen men
are capable of...
-Bill B
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel endorsement |
If you can show that you flew a tail dragger before a certain date which I
think is in 1993 then you are grandfathered. Nothing wrong with getting the
endorsement however. Recent experience is better than have last flown a
taildragger that many years ago.
I would highly recommend that you get some transition training in what ever
model of RV you intend to fly. Mike Seagar used to be the only one but
there are over 10 people now doing RV transitions, I believe. Call EAA at
1-888-322-4636, extension 6864 for complete information. It is to your
benefit to contact an EAA Flight Advisor. He can help you. There is also a
"First Flight Workshop" scheduled October 13th at Columbus Ohio. Again call
EAA at the above number.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
------ Original Message -----
From: "Ron Schreck" <RonSchreck(at)compuserve.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:24 AM
Subject: RV-List: Tailwheel endorsement
Message text written by Tom Ervin
> Since I had a Bi-Annual coming due I decided to try and get my
Tail Dragger endorsement to gain even more confidence for 1st flight.
Boy did I pick the right aircraft! <
I keep hearing about this Tail Dragger endorsement. Could someone please
point to the FAR that requires this endorsement. I have never owned a tail
dragger but have flown several over the years. Have I been doing something
illegal? Leads me to ask, in olden days when every airplane was a tail
dragger did pilots need a nosewheel endorsement before taking off in those
new fangled contraptions with the tailwheel on the wrong end?
Ron Schreck
RV-8 QB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Armstrong <armstrbc(at)ucsub.colorado.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel endorsement |
The reg is FAR 61.31 subpart (i). The grandfather date is tax day 1991.
Brian Armstrong
RV-less Enthusiast
--
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Ron Schreck wrote:
>
> Message text written by Tom Ervin
> > Since I had a Bi-Annual coming due I decided to try and get my
> Tail Dragger endorsement to gain even more confidence for 1st flight.
> Boy did I pick the right aircraft! <
>
> I keep hearing about this Tail Dragger endorsement. Could someone please
> point to the FAR that requires this endorsement. I have never owned a tail
> dragger but have flown several over the years. Have I been doing something
> illegal? Leads me to ask, in olden days when every airplane was a tail
> dragger did pilots need a nosewheel endorsement before taking off in those
> new fangled contraptions with the tailwheel on the wrong end?
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 QB
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Murphy, Richard James (Rick)" <rjmurphy1(at)lucent.com> |
Eric,
On this day in particular, we should ask God to bless all Americans, and
pity the fxckers that have brought these cowardly acts to our cities.
Rick Murphy
> ----------
> From: Eric.J.Henson(at)chase.com[SMTP:Eric.J.Henson(at)chase.com]
> Reply To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:35 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: GBA
>
>
>
> God Bless America
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "RV4" <VansRV4GRVMJ(at)btinternet.com> |
To all the American listers,
I've been watching the horrific pictures on CNN, live, and wish to express
my condolances to those who have lost their loved ones in this cowardly
attacks on a democratic nation.
I wish all of you strenght to cope with this unrivalled tragedy.
Marcel de Ruiter
Northern Ireland
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FW: 2 cents worth hand held GPS |
The Anywhere ipac combo makes handheld GPS obsolete. $1200 for package and
it exceeds any GPS as a nav device plus road maps, personal computing etc.
Windows CE software. I am not arguing just an opinion. ( www.anywheremap.com)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "lucky macy" <luckymacy(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: 2 cents worth hand held GPS |
obsolete? not likely. Not until they have an internal gps receiver. not
exactly convenient to have such an external antenna/receivers.
>From: jrdial <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "'RV - List'"
>Subject: RV-List: FW: 2 cents worth hand held GPS
>Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:17:21 -0500
>
>
>The Anywhere ipac combo makes handheld GPS obsolete. $1200 for package and
>it exceeds any GPS as a nav device plus road maps, personal computing etc.
>Windows CE software. I am not arguing just an opinion. (
>www.anywheremap.com)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Jessen <jjessen(at)cmbinfo.com> |
God Bless everyone who believes in freedom and the sanctity of life.
I'm finding the nearest Red Cross donation center. Suggest we all do the
same.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric.J.Henson(at)chase.com
Sent: 9/11/01 11:35 AM
Subject: RV-List: GBA
God Bless America
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Christie" <billc(at)dancris.com> |
| Subject: | Re: how to "recharge" dehydrator plugs |
Chris,
When I was in the Navy, we had large cylinders of the silica gel crystals in
the fire control radar waveguides to keep them from arcing. When they turned
pink we just placed them in a small oven and heated them on low until they
changed back to blue. Cheap & simple. Here, I would just sit them outside in
the sun!
Bill Christie, Phoenix, RV8A
----- Original Message -----
From: "C J Heitman" <cjh(at)execpc.com>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 8:53 PM
Subject: RV-List: how to "recharge" dehydrator plugs
>
> One of the MS27215-2 dehydrator plugs in my Aero Sport Power engine is no
> longer a deep blue color. Is there a procedure for "recharging" it?
>
> Chris Heitman
> RV-9A
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chuck Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com> |
Thank You.
----- Original Message -----
From: RV4 <VansRV4GRVMJ(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: GBA
>
> To all the American listers,
>
>
> I've been watching the horrific pictures on CNN, live, and wish to express
> my condolances to those who have lost their loved ones in this cowardly
> attacks on a democratic nation.
>
> I wish all of you strenght to cope with this unrivalled tragedy.
>
>
> Marcel de Ruiter
> Northern Ireland
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Rott <drjohn108(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Rivet Spec. Question - slants and smilies |
I need a little beginner advice about rivets:
1)How much slant in the shop head is acceptable before
it must be drilled out?
2)Do smilies on the head of AN470 rivets cause
anything other than cosmetic damage?
John Rott (drjohn108(at)yahoo.com) RV7A HS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Rivet Spec. Question - slants and smilies |
I need a little beginner advice about rivets:
1)How much slant in the shop head is acceptable before
it must be drilled out?
2)Do smilies on the head of AN470 rivets cause
anything other than cosmetic damage?
John Rott (drjohn108(at)yahoo.com) RV7A HS
John,
Have a look at MIL-R-47196A "Rivets, Buck Type, Preparation for and
Installation of". It is available at:
http://www.flash.net/~gila/
Kevin Horton RV-8 (engine installation)
khorton(at)cyberus.ca (613) 821-7862 (home)
Ottawa, Canada (613) 952-4319 (work)
http://eccentrix.com/misc/rv8/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Eustace Bowhay" <ebowhay(at)jetstream.net> |
| Subject: | Terrorist Attacks |
To all my American friends and all Americans alike:
When I turned our TV on this morning my wife and I stared in disbelief,
we were unable to talk and sat in a state of shock.
I had planned to fly my RV today, a beautiful CAVU day but after
watching CNN for half an hour it was impossible to keep back the tears
and had to shut it off. All thoughts of flying to-day are gone, I am
going down to the shop this afternoon and try to do something on the 6A
and try to get my thoughts organized.
From this Canadian and I am sure all Canadians our thoughts are with you
today.
Eustace Bowhay - Blind Bay, B.C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Weiler" <doug.weiler(at)pressenter.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Terrorist Attacks |
>
> To all my American friends and all Americans alike:
>
> When I turned our TV on this morning my wife and I stared in disbelief,
> we were unable to talk and sat in a state of shock.
>
> I had planned to fly my RV today, a beautiful CAVU day but after
> watching CNN for half an hour it was impossible to keep back the tears
> and had to shut it off. All thoughts of flying to-day are gone, I am
> going down to the shop this afternoon and try to do something on the 6A
> and try to get my thoughts organized.
>
> >From this Canadian and I am sure all Canadians our thoughts are with you
> today.
>
Eustace:
On behalf of our local RV pilots, builders, and Americans I truly thank you
for your comments to the List. I too am in a state of shock.
Me and a good friend were en route on a breakfast flight in my RV-4 this
morning. When we landed we found out about this horrible act and stared at
the TV screens in the airport restaurant in disbelief. It was a beautiful
clean and calm day here in western Wisconsin. Our delightful morning flight
was destroyed. Our appetites had disappeared. We decided just to fly home
and think. The FAA had officially shut down all flights but we sneaked home
anyway, put the RV away and tried to comprehend the events this morning.
Thanks Eustace. You can't imagine how much we appreciate such thought.
Doug Weiler
pres, MN Wing
Hudson, WI
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Murphy, Richard James (Rick)" <rjmurphy1(at)lucent.com> |
| Subject: | Terrorist Attacks |
Eustace,
From a fellow RVator, Your American cousins appreciate your support and kind
words.
We appreciate our northern neighbors coming to our aid and landing all of
our inbound traffic today at your airports.
I'm certain that you join with us in denouncing terrorism in all its forms
and wishing a certain, prolonged and painful fate to all those that would
attempt to destroy democracy.
Rick
> ----------
> From: Eustace Bowhay[SMTP:ebowhay(at)jetstream.net]
> Reply To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:07 PM
> To: rv list
> Subject: RV-List: Terrorist Attacks
>
>
> To all my American friends and all Americans alike:
>
> When I turned our TV on this morning my wife and I stared in disbelief,
> we were unable to talk and sat in a state of shock.
>
> I had planned to fly my RV today, a beautiful CAVU day but after
> watching CNN for half an hour it was impossible to keep back the tears
> and had to shut it off. All thoughts of flying to-day are gone, I am
> going down to the shop this afternoon and try to do something on the 6A
> and try to get my thoughts organized.
>
> From this Canadian and I am sure all Canadians our thoughts are with you
> today.
>
> Eustace Bowhay - Blind Bay, B.C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan DeNeal <rv6apilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | When is the Lebannon TN Flyin? |
Anybody know when the Lebannon Tn fly in is? I thing
is should be coming up very soon.
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Emrath" <Emrath(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: When is the Lebannon TN Flyin? |
One week from this Sat. Sept 22.
Marty in Brentwood TN.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan DeNeal" <rv6apilot(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: When is the Lebannon TN Flyin?
>
>
> Anybody know when the Lebannon Tn fly in is? I thing
> is should be coming up very soon.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AV8TURDON(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Terrorist Attacks |
Eustace,
I for one American want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for
your warm support. I recently retired as pilot for Delta Airlines and
remember well all the training we had for such an occurrence on board.
Evidently these cowards were well informed and well prepared to fly these
airplanes after removing or killing the pilots and taking command. I know in
my heart that not one of the American pilots would have ever deliberately
flown a plane in the those towers or the pentagon even with a gun at their
head. I too am very sad today at the fact that this has happened and "But for
the grace of God go I." Now it payback time, and I only hope we have the
courage to do it right. I know that even though I'm 65 I would gladly fly an
F-4 as I did in guard into wherever to settle the score.
Thank You.
Don Champagne
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dag adamson <dag_adamson(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Empenage Jig Question |
Dwight-
Just another opinion...
I am working on an -8, finishing up the tail in a
small shop and found that building in the jig gave me
more control of all the pieces. The skins in the -8
are pre-drilled and the spars and ribs were not.
I didn't build the jig at the outset, but found that
the concepts behind Sam Buchanon's jig helpful - -
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/rv6.html. (You
have the ability to level the rear spar with
adjustments and the ability to change the height of
the threads.)
Since its the first main sub- I figured it couldn't
going wrong by following the book... Ultimately I
ended up building the jig. Not as pretty as Sam's
-but its getting the job done.
If you want some pix- I can send them.
-Dag
====
*****************
Dag Adamson
617 513 1182
Natick, MA
*****************
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Schalme <bschalme(at)airspeed.mb.ca> |
Folks,
Like any civilized human being, I too was shocked and amazed at the
events in New York, Somerset and Washington DC today. What began with
thoughts of "who was the moron who flew his small twin under VMC into
such a huge building" soon progressed to "oh my God" and other thoughts
than cannot be repeated on a G-rated list. My sympathies go out to my
personal American friends and to all the people of your nation. Find the
b******s who did this and give them what they deserve.
My government will get together with your government to offer whatever
help our country can give. If there is anything us ordinary Canadians
can do, please do not hesitate to ask.
Brian Schalme
Winnipeg, Canada
RV-8 Dreaming & Goal-Setting.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Bristol <bj034(at)lafn.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Empennage Jig Question |
All,
Even if it's pre-punched I would still use a jig. The rivets are not tight
in the holes until they are set and it's still possible to get a fair amount
of twist. The wing and tail jig is so simple to build why not use one? It's
the only way to ensure that you won't have twist. Also, it's not necessary
or, IMO, even desirable to use a steel jig. Build it out of wood per the
plans and it's cheap and easy insurance.
Dave -6 flying So Cal
Gary Coonan wrote:
>
> Well I spent a weekend building the jig and used it to build my
> empennage, however, my bench top would have done just fine. The -7 does
> not require the alignment that not having the pre-punched holes would
> require. It is hard to screw up with the holes punched for you. You
> will need something to hold the wing frames while you are working on
> them, but almost anything will do. Opinions vary of course, so to each
> his own. Just like some folks take the time to create bueatiful
> websites about their project while others don't.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Bourgon
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:53 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Empennage Jig Question
>
>
> Greetings from El Paso.
> I am presently building a 9a and my partner in crime is building the new
> 7A.
> I had the large jig in our shop for mine and we built the empenage on
> the
> jig as well. It makes life a great deal simpler to be able to open the
> skin
> and rivet units together. We were able to align everything in jig and
> it
> really made sence to us to use the jig. It makes life simpler
> Marcel finishing up wings almost ready for fuselage
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dwight Frye" <dwight(at)openweave.org>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:30 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Empennage Jig Question
>
> >
> > I'm getting some conflicting opinions, so I thought I would ask
> > what other folks are doing about using a jig for the RV-7 empennage.
> > (I'll likely get some more conflicting opinions, I know, but I
> > hope more input will help _me_ come to _my_ decision on the issue.)
> >
> > I have heard people say (and some of Van's literature) that with
> > the pre-punched parts on the RV-7 you don't really need to build the
> > big H-frame jig. I have gotten the impression that some feel it is
> > fine to just build on a bench top.
> >
> > Did you build the jig? Did you skip it? Enquiring minds wanna know.
> > Can anyone give me the pros/cons of using/not-using the jig? How
> > about building a jig that is _not_ attached to the ceiling, but
> > is on casters (as I have seen at least one person doing on their
> > web site) so that it can be rolled out of the way?
> >
> > I don't _mind_ building it (and attaching it to the ceiling) if
> > that is the right thing to do. However, if I can delay consuming
> > that space in the garage (or make the pain less by having it be
> > movable) it would be great to be able to do so!
> >
> > Thanks, in advance, for any info you can give me. :)
> >
> > -- Dwight
> > Empennage kit arriving on Wednesday ....
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Les Rowles <lmrowles(at)netspace.net.au> |
I simply have no words, but our thoughts are with you.
Les Rowles.
Traralgon Australia.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> |
| Subject: | Terrorist Attacks |
I agree Don, I believe the only airline pilot who remained in control of his
aircraft may very well have been the one that crashed in Pennsylvania.
Better to put it into the ground than let some terrorist cause even more
death and misery.
At least, that's what I would like to think.
It is a pity that the only time one may be allowed to use God's name is in
times of disaster but...
May God help us. God cannot help those who did this. I hope our president
has the will to do what must be done.
-----Original Message-----
From: AV8TURDON(at)aol.com [mailto:AV8TURDON(at)aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Terrorist Attacks
Eustace,
I for one American want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for
your warm support. I recently retired as pilot for Delta Airlines and
remember well all the training we had for such an occurrence on board.
Evidently these cowards were well informed and well prepared to fly these
airplanes after removing or killing the pilots and taking command. I know in
my heart that not one of the American pilots would have ever deliberately
flown a plane in the those towers or the pentagon even with a gun at their
head. I too am very sad today at the fact that this has happened and "But
for
the grace of God go I." Now it payback time, and I only hope we have the
courage to do it right. I know that even though I'm 65 I would gladly fly an
F-4 as I did in guard into wherever to settle the score.
Thank You.
Don Champagne
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John.Morrissey(at)its.csiro.au |
| Subject: | Tragedy in the US |
Hi All,
I could not believe my eyes last night when my wife and I watched the tragedy unfold
in New York and Washington at about midnight our time. I'm sure all Aussie
sympathy's goes out our American friends today. Our Australian Prime Minister
is presently in Washington and he had the following to say during a press conference
***
"The only other thing I can say .. is to say to our American friends who we love
and admire so much, we really feel for you," he said.
"It is a terrible day.
"Words aren't very adequate but they are a sign that we feel for our American friends.
"We will stand by them, we will help them, we will support actions they take to
properly retaliate in relation to these acts of bastardry against their citizens
and what they stand for."
***
The whole sad event came home to me this morning when I drove past the American
Embassy here in Canberra, Australia and saw the closed roads and increased federal
police presence. Be assured that Australia is looking after Americans living
here in Australia and we will do our best to protect them from any follow up of
terrorism here.
John Morrissey
Canberra Australia
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ernest Kells" <ernest.kells(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: how to "recharge" dehydrator plugs |
Listers:
>> Yep, bake them in the oven. BUT, first unscrew the top and pour the
crystals into a baking sheet. DO NOT HEAT THE ENTIRE UNIT. <<
I cannot agree. I leave the dehydrator plugs in the engine until they
become more pink than blue. Then I place them on a cookie tray at a middle
level in the oven. I cook them at 250 F degrees. They suggest up to 16
hours - but I do it for about 3 hours. I definitely leave the oven light
on, the stove hood light on and whatever else helps to remember that
something is in the oven. Back into the engine. I think a longer cook may
just means you get an extra day in the engine. Not worth your spouses
grumbling!!
By the way, I am into long storage. This is my (boring) procedure. I
install dehydrators in the top holes and real plugs in the bottom holes.
When the dehydrators turn pick, I remove all 8 plugs. I install in the
bottom hole of each cylinder a flexible syphon hose leading to a pot (peanut
butter jar attached below). I use the syphon hose in a winemakers bung to
plug the bottom 4 holes. First I use a bent coat hanger to locate a piston
at its lowest position. I then spray oil "with inhibitor" generously into
the cylinders top hole. I spray inside all around the top of the cylinder
with a flexible spray can. Then I rotate the crankshaft a few times,
before moving to the next cylinder. When I have completed all four
cylinders, I put fresh dehydrators in the top holes and regular plugs in the
bottom - all inluding their gaskets. I hand tighten only. I store the 4
hoses with bungs and the 2 pots in a large coffee can under the engine stand
until next time. Back to building for a couple of weeks. I keep a record
attached to the engine.
Seems grungy - but I plan to build one plane and install one engine for the
rest of my life. Happy building.
Ernest Kells RV-9A - Fuselage, O-235 Planning Wood Prop
Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario
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| From: | "Chris & Susie" <rv6(at)ssc.net.au> |
While on night shift last night as a fire-fighter a general announcement
went across all fire stations in Melbourne.
We turned on the TV and of course we saw the horror.
We understand that hundreds of fireman doing there job and countless others
have died.
You could not hear a pin drop as my fellow workers and I watched helplessly.
It is impossible to put into words how we feel but our hearts go out to you
all.
What else can I say?
Chris and Susie
Melbourne Australia
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | barry pote <barrypote(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | terroist attacks |
I live in Montclair, Nj. We are a 'bedroom' community for New York City.
As I was getting ready to leave for our store, my son said that a plane
had hit the World Trade Center. I said that's impossible! I had just
finish a 6 mile bike ride, and there was not a cloud in the sky.
I said someone in a small plane must have committed suicide.
By the time I got to work, someone said a second plane had hit the other
tower.
I decided to drive up Eagle Rock Ave to the park at the top of the
hill. It provides a fantastic view of NYC skyline. The police had it
blocked off. So I meandered up the hill. Cars were parked on both sides
of the road. People were standing and looking towards the city. Some had
binoculars and others cell phones. Cell phones to their ears and tears
in their eyes. It really hit me at that point.
There was no place to stop so I drove over to Highland Ave and found a
spot to stop. You've all seen the pictures by now. 2 huge buildings on
fire.
I went back to work, only to hear that one of them had come down. And
then the 2nd.
Our minister called and said that a person in our congregation, a chef,
worked 4 floors below where the 1st plane hit, was presumed dead.
He turned up alive and well several hours later.
Another friend of ours was in a building across the street. After the
1st hit. They evacuated their building. As they did so, the 2nd plane
hit. She saw bodies in the street and people jumping from great heights.
2 of our friends were spared. But then there are many..many..many
friends and relatives of people that were not so lucky.
God bless America, and my he give our leaders the wisdom to make the
right choices.
Barry Pote
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| Subject: | Some Interesting Data (Long) |
Thread-Topic: RV-List Digest: 60 Msgs - 09/08/01
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | Thoughts and prayers |
I heard the first, garbled news of the crashes at the WTC this morning, but
didn't really start to understand the magnitude or horror of the event
until I phoned back to Ottawa and spoke to my wife, who is American. She
had just watched the first tower collapse on CNN, and was almost
inconsolable. The second tower collapsed as we talked. I cannot
comprehend how anyone could perpetrate such a monstrous act.
The thoughts and prayers of people around the world are directed to our
American friends in this time of trial. I wish you every success in
identifying and punishing those responsible. I hope they die a slow and
painful death.
Kevin Horton
trying to do some flight testing in Wichita
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Slop in control stick |
In a message dated 9/10/2001 10:32:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
azpilot(at)extremezone.com writes:
>
> Has anyone noticed their control stick getting more slop in it (for elevator
> control) after flying? I haven't pulled the seat pans yet, so I haven't
> seen if there is a problem.
>
>
Check it out NOW, One of the So Cal group I was flying formation with
complained of elevator slop. We took the rear baggage baffle out to find a
bolt had nearly dropped out of the reversing bellcrank.
Fred LaForge RV-4 0-360 CS EAA Tech counselor
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | PETER LAURENCE <plaurence(at)worldnet.att.net> |
>
>
>Eric,
>
>On this day in particular, we should ask God to bless all Americans, and
>pity the fxckers that have brought these cowardly acts to our cities.
>
>Rick Murphy
>
> >Rick,
It seems that G_d blessed the terrorists on this day
Peter Laurence
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mister Murphy" <mister_murphy(at)hotmail.com> |
Eric,
I'll second that...God Bless America. From North Carolina I would like to
send my thoughts and prayers to the people and families involved.
Erik Harrell
RV-6A (wings) Mt Airy NC
At a loss for words......
>
>
>God Bless America
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John McMahon <rv6(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: When is the Lebannon TN Flyin? |
Dan
Sept 22nd 23rd=rain day
John
Dan DeNeal wrote:
>
>
>Anybody know when the Lebannon Tn fly in is? I thing
>is should be coming up very soon.
>
>Dan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Jewell" <jjewell(at)telus.net> |
This morning I awoke and went first to this list as has become my habit
for four years plus.
The very first message that came to the screen was;
"God Bless America"
My thoughts where not thoughts born of patience or understanding as I
hit the delete button.
As it happens I finished editing the email and went next to the
television.
The next thing I saw was an obviously Moslem individual being
interviewed. The translator was barely able to speak English and I found
it very hard to make sense of what the interview was about.
I changed channels and saw what at first I believed to be a promotion
for another in a long line of thriller movies.
The reality of what I was actually seeing clawed and scraped away at my
inability to perceive.
The crescendo of horror continued on. the painful tearing and scraping
went on and continues still.
Please whom ever sent that blessing that began this day for me please
accept my apology for being so jaded as to turn away from your statement
born of pain that I to now share.
If I am changed this much by such a reality as this day has brought, I
can not imagine how to find any better words than yours to express this
anguish that has befallen all of us.
God bless us all.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Day of Infamy II |
Thank you, our friends in other nations, for your expressions of shock,
outrage and sympathy.
This day of national tragedy and personal sadness brings to mind another
one - that occurred over six decades ago. Woe be to those who think our
give and take of a free democratic society means weakness. Yes, we bicker
among ourselves with differing viewpoints about many things, but there are
those things that unite us as a nation. United and with a common resolve
this act will result in inevitable retribution and justice for those
responsible just as surely as that act of infamy six decades ago.
Ed Anderson
Matthews, NC
RV-6A N494BW
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robert McCallum <robert.mccallum2(at)sympatico.ca> |
RV list
| Subject: | Thoughts and Condolences |
To our southern neighbours;
The thoughts, prayers and condolences of all Canadians are with you on
this black memorable day.
Bob McC
Toronto Canada
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Besing" <azpilot(at)extremezone.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Thoughts and prayers |
I wish you every success in
> identifying and punishing those responsible. I hope they die a slow and
> painful death.
>
> Kevin Horton
My thoughts exactly, Kevin. As much as I support everything the US stands
for, the Army Soldier in me can't but help to skip all of the juris prudis
crap and lets take these sons of bitches down. I don't think we would be
too haste if we declared war on all terrorists, and any nation guilty of
harboring. If it is this Bin Laden guy, and Afghanistan is responsible for
harboring him, I say level them. And if Uncle Sam wants to call me up from
the National Guard and help out, I say give me any weapon of destruction and
I'm there.
Whew.
I'm glad Day of Infamy II is almost over. Hope there is a way, that
someday, we will heal from this horrific day.
SPC Paul Besing
C BTRY 2/180th Field Artillery
13E Cannon Fire Direction Control Specialist
U.S. Army National Guard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jayeandscott" <jayeandscott(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Thoughts and Condolences |
I wish to add the thoughts and prayers of my family for those south of our
border.
I learned about this tragic day while over the North Pacific in the dark
eastbound for Vancouver and we shared in the ship-to-ship discussion on VHF
with several United, Northwest and American Crews as each of us received
more information via satellite link.
My fellow pilots could only shake their heads and wonder why. Never in human
history have innocent people been forced to ride in a bomb and I can't begin
to imagine how they felt.
Again- my sympathies to your countrymen.
Scott in Vancouver
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert McCallum <robert.mccallum2(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:43 PM
Subject: RV-List: Thoughts and Condolences
>
> To our southern neighbours;
>
> The thoughts, prayers and condolences of all Canadians are with you on
> this black memorable day.
>
> Bob McC
> Toronto Canada
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Besing" <azpilot(at)extremezone.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Thoughts and Condolences |
Thanks to all supporters in other countries around the world. I think it
could be so easy for people from other nations to turn their head and not
get involved. The compassion that has been shown from listers in many
countries really shows that no matter where one is from, there is always a
common bond when it comes to humanity. (at least from rational, caring, and
supportive individuals from these nations)
Paul Besing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert McCallum" <robert.mccallum2(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:43 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Thoughts and Condolences
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Robert McCallum
>
> To our southern neighbours;
>
> The thoughts, prayers and condolences of all Canadians are with you on
> this black memorable day.
>
> Bob McC
> Toronto Canada
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | joe wiza <jwiza1(at)yahoo.com> |
Finally recieved my navaid today. Looking forward to
getting started. Any suggestions by anyone who has
been there would be appreciated. I plan on using the
garmin 195 GPS in conjunction with the navaid.
RV6A 0360 cp
140 hrs Can't get rid of the grin
NRA LIFE MEMBER
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Coastal Georgia Fall Fly-In |
With respect to events of Sep 11 the Coastal Georgia Fall Fly-In
scheduled for September 15 at Eagle Neck 1GA0 has been postponed
indefinitely.
Dick Sipp
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> |
So, it's okay to talk about God during disasters but not normally?? I can
remember within the last year a lister being blasted for posting off-topic
material that included relieous beliefs. Now we all have religeon all of a
sudden? Is this horrible, horrible event what it takes?
Yes, GOD BLESS AMERICA.
God bless all who use this... and may GOD help ANYONE who ever flames me for
mentioning God on this list again!!
And Tom Gummo, I'm with you! I think the US needs to take swift, decisive,
and OVERWHELMING action. I sincerely hope that our President has the balls
to do what is necessary.
--
Scott (a slightly angry Christian) VanArtsdalen
RV-4 builder
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Jewell [mailto:jjewell(at)telus.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:17 PM
Subject: RV-List: GBA
This morning I awoke and went first to this list as has become my habit
for four years plus.
The very first message that came to the screen was;
"God Bless America"
My thoughts where not thoughts born of patience or understanding as I
hit the delete button.
As it happens I finished editing the email and went next to the
television.
The next thing I saw was an obviously Moslem individual being
interviewed. The translator was barely able to speak English and I found
it very hard to make sense of what the interview was about.
I changed channels and saw what at first I believed to be a promotion
for another in a long line of thriller movies.
The reality of what I was actually seeing clawed and scraped away at my
inability to perceive.
The crescendo of horror continued on. the painful tearing and scraping
went on and continues still.
Please whom ever sent that blessing that began this day for me please
accept my apology for being so jaded as to turn away from your statement
born of pain that I to now share.
If I am changed this much by such a reality as this day has brought, I
can not imagine how to find any better words than yours to express this
anguish that has befallen all of us.
God bless us all.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> |
Send your men, send your weapons, and help us drive Bin Laden and his
friends into the sea....
As a Northern neighbour, myself and all those around me wish to express our
deepest condolences for the cowardly attack on your nation.
I know Canada will do anything possible to assist in whatever form your
country requires.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Murphy, Richard James (Rick)" <rjmurphy1(at)lucent.com> |
Scott,
I think what we are experiencing is people reaching back to grab hold of
those basic beliefs and strengths that many of us fail to acknowledge in our
daily lives.
When faced with the incomprehendable, we can only look toward (a merciful)
God for solace and a (vengful) God for justice.
Rick Murphy
RV4-emp
> ----------
> From: Van Artsdalen, Scott[SMTP:svanarts(at)unionsafe.com]
> Reply To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:17 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: GBA
>
>
>
> So, it's okay to talk about God during disasters but not normally?? I can
> remember within the last year a lister being blasted for posting off-topic
> material that included relieous beliefs. Now we all have religeon all of
> a
> sudden? Is this horrible, horrible event what it takes?
>
> Yes, GOD BLESS AMERICA.
>
> God bless all who use this... and may GOD help ANYONE who ever flames me
> for
> mentioning God on this list again!!
>
> And Tom Gummo, I'm with you! I think the US needs to take swift,
> decisive,
> and OVERWHELMING action. I sincerely hope that our President has the
> balls
> to do what is necessary.
>
> --
> Scott (a slightly angry Christian) VanArtsdalen
> RV-4 builder
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Jewell [mailto:jjewell(at)telus.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:17 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: GBA
>
>
>
> This morning I awoke and went first to this list as has become my habit
> for four years plus.
> The very first message that came to the screen was;
> "God Bless America"
> My thoughts where not thoughts born of patience or understanding as I
> hit the delete button.
> As it happens I finished editing the email and went next to the
> television.
> The next thing I saw was an obviously Moslem individual being
> interviewed. The translator was barely able to speak English and I found
> it very hard to make sense of what the interview was about.
> I changed channels and saw what at first I believed to be a promotion
> for another in a long line of thriller movies.
>
> The reality of what I was actually seeing clawed and scraped away at my
> inability to perceive.
> The crescendo of horror continued on. the painful tearing and scraping
> went on and continues still.
>
>
> Please whom ever sent that blessing that began this day for me please
> accept my apology for being so jaded as to turn away from your statement
> born of pain that I to now share.
> If I am changed this much by such a reality as this day has brought, I
> can not imagine how to find any better words than yours to express this
> anguish that has befallen all of us.
>
> God bless us all.
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Furey" <john(at)fureychrysler.com> |
The other day I saw a web site with a center arm rest/glove box made for
RV6 but I can't remember where. Does anybody know what the site is and
does anyone have any comments on this item.
Thanks
John Furey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> |
I agree with you Rick, but I hope you understand my frustration as one who
has been flamed for trying to do just what you say below on a daily basis,
not just during times of duress.
I tend to think of people who only look to God during times of need as the
friend who only comes to see me when he needs to borrow money. I'm far more
inclined to give money to my friends who have consistently been by my side.
That being said, we are all very fortunate that God has limitless mercy.
-----Original Message-----
From: Murphy, Richard James (Rick) [mailto:rjmurphy1(at)lucent.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:57 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: GBA
Scott,
I think what we are experiencing is people reaching back to grab hold of
those basic beliefs and strengths that many of us fail to acknowledge in our
daily lives.
When faced with the incomprehendable, we can only look toward (a merciful)
God for solace and a (vengful) God for justice.
Rick Murphy
RV4-emp
> ----------
> From: Van Artsdalen, Scott[SMTP:svanarts(at)unionsafe.com]
> Reply To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:17 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: GBA
>
>
>
> So, it's okay to talk about God during disasters but not normally?? I can
> remember within the last year a lister being blasted for posting off-topic
> material that included relieous beliefs. Now we all have religeon all of
> a
> sudden? Is this horrible, horrible event what it takes?
>
> Yes, GOD BLESS AMERICA.
>
> God bless all who use this... and may GOD help ANYONE who ever flames me
> for
> mentioning God on this list again!!
>
> And Tom Gummo, I'm with you! I think the US needs to take swift,
> decisive,
> and OVERWHELMING action. I sincerely hope that our President has the
> balls
> to do what is necessary.
>
> --
> Scott (a slightly angry Christian) VanArtsdalen
> RV-4 builder
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Jewell [mailto:jjewell(at)telus.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:17 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: GBA
>
>
>
> This morning I awoke and went first to this list as has become my habit
> for four years plus.
> The very first message that came to the screen was;
> "God Bless America"
> My thoughts where not thoughts born of patience or understanding as I
> hit the delete button.
> As it happens I finished editing the email and went next to the
> television.
> The next thing I saw was an obviously Moslem individual being
> interviewed. The translator was barely able to speak English and I found
> it very hard to make sense of what the interview was about.
> I changed channels and saw what at first I believed to be a promotion
> for another in a long line of thriller movies.
>
> The reality of what I was actually seeing clawed and scraped away at my
> inability to perceive.
> The crescendo of horror continued on. the painful tearing and scraping
> went on and continues still.
>
>
> Please whom ever sent that blessing that began this day for me please
> accept my apology for being so jaded as to turn away from your statement
> born of pain that I to now share.
> If I am changed this much by such a reality as this day has brought, I
> can not imagine how to find any better words than yours to express this
> anguish that has befallen all of us.
>
> God bless us all.
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Thread-Topic: RV-List: Center arm rest
Thread-Index: AcE7oTw4Tzrl36eOEdWAOwAIxwleHwAACDlQ
| From: | "Reeves, Doug" <Douglas.Reeves(at)archongroup.com> |
John, that web address is
http://www.metronet.com/~dreeves/turtlewooddesign/roger.htm
God Bless America,
Doug Reeves
-----Original Message-----
From: John Furey [mailto:john(at)fureychrysler.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:25 AM
Subject: RV-List: Center arm rest
The other day I saw a web site with a center arm rest/glove box made for
RV6 but I can't remember where. Does anybody know what the site is and
does anyone have any comments on this item.
Thanks
John Furey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cole, Ed" <Ed_Cole(at)maximhq.com> |
| Subject: | Manual to Elec Flaps |
Can any one who has converted from manual to electric flaps in an flying
RV6/A
comment on the experience? Number of hours for conversion, things to
watch out for, etc.
Ed Cole
RV6A N2169D Flying
RV6A N648RV Finishing
Maxim Home Page:
http://www.maxim-ic.com
Products Page:
http://www.maxim-ic.com/MaximProducts/products.htm
New Products:
http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/new_products.cfm
Datasheets:
http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/l_datasheet3.cfm
The information contained in this message is confidential
and may be legally privileged. The message is intended
solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended
recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,
or reproduction is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful.
If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender
by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Some Interesting Data (Long) |
Thread-Topic: RV-List Digest: 60 Msgs - 09/08/01
Thread-Index: AcE5BfwGSBLPYYzBSxao0feNhIBQawA/3fdw
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| From: | "Terry Watson" <terrywatson3(at)home.com> |
>Get out of our country. Warn all those in your religion: They will be
persecuted in this country if not killed outright. You will never convince
this country that Islam as a whole did not promote the terrible acts of
9-11-01. (John Helms, RV list 9/12/01)
> God bless all who use this... and may GOD help ANYONE who ever flames me
for
> mentioning God on this list again!!
> Scott (a slightly angry Christian) VanArtsdalen
> RV-4 builder
>
So the religious wars have started, right here on the RV list. Bigotry and
justice seldom go hand in hand. We are all upset by this, but spewing
hatred at those who don't share your particular religious beliefs can't
help. How about taking your God to a different forum.
And Scott, consider yourself flamed.
Terry Watson
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| From: | <enewton57(at)cableone.net> |
Look on Dougs site - Worldwide wing
http://www.metronet.com/~dreeves/vaf.htm
They advertise there.
Eric Newton - Long Beach, MS
RV-6A - N57ME (final stuff)
www.ericsrv6a.com
-----Original Message-----
From: "owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com" <owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com>
on behalf of "John Furey"
Subject: RV-List: Center arm rest
The other day I saw a web site with a center arm rest/glove box made for
RV6 but I can't remember where. Does anybody know what the site is and
does anyone have any comments on this item.
Thanks
John Furey
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| From: | "Doug Weiler" <doug.weiler(at)pressenter.com> |
| Subject: | MN Wing RV Picnic |
Fellow Listers:
The MN Wing will be hosting our 11th annual RV Pig Roast and Picnic this
Saturday, Sept 15. Location is Sky Harbor Airpark in Webster, MN (N 44
31.7, W 93 19.5). All RVs are cordially invited to join us for an afternoon
of good eating and RV talk. Webster is 3000' grass. Unicom at 122.9.
Eating start at 1 pm.
Questions? Give me a call at 715-386-1239 or cell at 651-398-1184.
Doug Weiler
MN Wing
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| From: | Don Hyde <DonH(at)axonn.com> |
| Subject: | FW: 2 cents worth hand held GPS |
Not obsolete until it has an operating system that doesn't crash on every
trip!
I'm sorry, but having used various versions of Windoze (the reboot friendly
operating system) daily for years, I'm not about to trust anything in my
plane to any version of it.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lucky macy [mailto:luckymacy(at)hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:35 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: 2 cents worth hand held GPS
>
>
>
> obsolete? not likely. Not until they have an internal gps
> receiver. not
> exactly convenient to have such an external antenna/receivers.
>
>
> >From: jrdial <jrdial@hal-pc.org>
> >Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: "'RV - List'"
> >Subject: RV-List: FW: 2 cents worth hand held GPS
> >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:17:21 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >The Anywhere ipac combo makes handheld GPS obsolete. $1200
> for package and
> >it exceeds any GPS as a nav device plus road maps, personal
> computing etc.
> >Windows CE software. I am not arguing just an opinion. (
> >www.anywheremap.com)
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Albert Gardner" <albert.gardner(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | RV-9A Cabin Heat |
Van's leave the issue of cabin heat pretty much alone. So-while I can see
that the plumbing from the muff to the firewall probably should wait till I
install the O-320-A1A and exhaust system-it would seem to be a good idea to
put some sort of opening and a controllable door on the firewall before I
finally rivet it in the fuse. I'm a small RV island in a sea of ultra lites
so I don't have any examples. Can anyone offer some advice?
Albert Gardner
God Bless America
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| From: | "C J Heitman" <cjh(at)execpc.com> |
| Subject: | RV-9A Cabin Heat |
Albert,
Dwg 19 shows the suggested location for a 2" hole for the cabin heat valve.
I purchased the heat valve kit from Van's (the wedge-shaped one). The heat
valve can be seen from inside the cabin in the third picture on this page:
http://www.execpc.com/~cjh/brake_valve.html
Chris Heitman
Dousman WI
RV-9A N94ME (reserved)
wiring and building hangar
http://www.execpc.com/~cjh/rv9a.html
-----Original Message-----
Van's leave the issue of cabin heat pretty much alone.
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| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton(at)cyberus.ca> |
| Subject: | Vengeance properly directed |
Interesting story, but I don't like the implications. Surely we don't want
to fall to the same level as the terrorists, and start killing innocent
people (what had that mullah done?). Or, are you saying that just because
someone has the same religion as the terrorists does that mean that they
are guilty too?
While strong action is necessary, it must be seen to be clearly targeted at
the guilty parties (once they are identified), and not just a blind attack
on Muslims. There are a lot of Muslims in the world, most of them are
probably very decent, caring people (I have several Muslim coworkers, and
they are as disgusted and angry as the rest of us). The problem is the few
hard-core fundamentalist Muslims who have no tolerance for any other religions.
Take care,
Kevin Horton
>
>
>Andy,
>
>When we were loosing people left and right in Lebanon, the Soviets had one
>diplomat grabbed by the PLO.
>
>They reacted a little differently than we do.
>
>They snatched a local mullah. THe cut out his tounge. Cut off his head,
>hands, feet, arms legs and perhaps some other parts. Then they sent him
>back. They told the locals that if their man wasn't returned within 24 hrs
>they would grab every mullah they could find, their wives, children, inlaws,
>goats, dogs and camels and chickens and do the same thing.
>
>They got their guy back.
>
>There is a lesson there.
>
>Rick Murphy
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| From: | "Bob Japundza" <Bob.Japundza(at)realmed.com> |
Sorry guys for the un-decrypted emails, but for some reason when
accessing my work email from home the messages over SSL don't get
decrypted at the server. So here's my original reply...
Laird,
Have you done the 3-way GPS runs? I did some testing the other day and
came up with 166 knots cruise at 8000 feet by the GPS (2400 RPM, 22.5",
leaned to peak, 9.2-9.5GPH), on a warm (85+) degree day. Cranking the
revs up to get 75% only gives me a knot or two. I have done these runs
several times over the course of the past year and typically am within
2-3 knots between tests. So, my real-world cruise is 165 knots.
With that being said...
This is slightly below Van's published figures, and I don't have a
poorly rigged or built airplane. IMO I think Van's published numbers
are slightly high. Most of my local RV buddies agree. For example, the
RV-8 has a faster published cruise speed than does the -4. I don't
understand how the -8 can be faster with its greater frontal area and
higher weight than a -4 with the same horsepower. I fly regularly with
a 180 C/S -8 that is a very well built QB airframe and his cruise speed
is only slightly faster than mine... it takes an extra 1/2" of manifold
pressure for me to keep up with him with the same power settings. The
odd thing is when we both have a passenger then it takes a lot more
(1-1.5") of throttle for me to keep up with him; we're going to explore
that further. A friend's RV-4 will flat-out stomp both of us with the
same hardware up front. Maybe I need to turn that little set screw on
the governor out a few turns ;) FWIW
Bob Japundza
RV-6 N244BJ O-360C/S flying 209 hours
From: "Owens, Laird" <Owens(at)aerovironment.com>
Subject: RV-List: Some Interesting Data (Long)
"socal-rvlist"
Hi all,
Since I converted over to a Hartzell prop on my O-360/RV-6, I've wanted
to do some good data collection. I finally got a chance to go out last
evening and collect a little. (Like my boss sez...."Data is easy, GOOD
data is hard"). Thought some of you might be interested.
Two areas of interest to me are top speed (I want to start doing a
little drag reduction work soon and need a baseline speed) and
range/endurance. I'm planning on flying to the Las Cruces RV get
together this weekend and it's a 600 mile flight from LA. I wanted to
see if I could make it without stopping.
I've always been conservative when flight planning, guessing 3.5 hrs (10
GPH with reserve) and about a 600 mile range, but I've wanted to nail
down the real numbers for my airplane. So I went out and burned some
gas trying to figure it out. I came back with some interesting numbers.
The test was flown at 8000 feet density altitude (altimeter set to 29.92
and corrected for OAT, which was 22 C, which meant I'd fly at 5875 feet)
and at different airspeeds to collect the fuel flow information. I then
put that into a graph to determine best range and endurance. Engine RPM
was 2400 and the engine leaned to peak on the hottest cylinder (I
know....that may not be the leanest cylinder).
Know errors that I can't account for right now are static and
instrumentation errors, so the numbers may be a little off here or
there. After selecting a power setting and airspeed, I flew the airspeed
and looked for elevation changes, and then adjust the power accordingly.
I'd then lean to peak, then let everything stabilize and again make any
small adjustments to the power setting. After getting to that stage,
I'd note fuel flow, IAS, MP, and then do a 3 way GPS run to get TAS. I
ran all these data points on one flight, so the upper speeds may be off
a little due to a lower aircraft weight due to the gas being used during
the flight. (I started at the lower airspeeds first). I flew points
between 90 mph IAS and full throttle at 10 mph intervals. It turned out
to be a good evening with almost no turbulence and under 3 mph of wind
at the test altitude. I was pleased with the data I got, as it all fit
pretty well and came up with some believable curves (i.e. no data po!
ints way off the fit curve).
After doing some number crunching and graphing, it looks like the max
endurance of the airplane comes at 100 mph IAS/112 mph TAS with a fuel
flow of 5.0 GPH. Assuming a 6 gal reserve, that leaves 32 gallons
usable. That gives a 6.4 hr endurance (my butt can't sit in the seat
that long) and a 716 mile range, which is 22.4 MPG. I should note that
the engine wasn't very happy at this power setting, as it would skip
every once in a while (probably a lean miss). Also the fuel flow meter
was a little flaky near these power settings, fluctuating between 4 to
6. I just took the average of what I saw. It wasn't until I was
flowing around 6 GPH that the flow meter settled down.
The best range comes at 125 mph IAS/ 148 mph TAS with a fuel flow of 5.5
GPH. Using the same reserve, I get 5.8 hrs and a 858 mile range, which
is 26.8 MPG. (I still can't sit in the seat that long).
So pushing it up a little to 8 GPH yields a 4 hour endurance (not
including reserve) at 160 mph IAS/ 185 TAS for a 740 mile range and 23.1
MPG.
Full throttle comes out at 9.6 GPH and 174 mph IAS/200 TAS with a 3.3 hr
endurance and a 660 mile range and a 20.6 MPG
The last test was full throttle/2700 rpm and it was 11.7 GPH and 207
TAS. This was only one data point on this day, I need to do this
several more times to average the speeds to try to get a more accurate
number, but it's a start.
This is a about an 11 mph speed gain over the Sensenich 72FM fixed pitch
prop I had on before (which was an 83" pitch). The main difference is
that I can use full throttle with the Hartzell. At 8000 DA and the
Sensenich, I still had another 3" of MP left to go, but would be at the
2700 rpm limit.
Again, this was data taken on this one day, for my airplane, and is
probably subject to several different errors (my flying included), but
it should be close. It does provide an interesting comparison of FF vs
TAS. I'd like to repeat this test at a higher altitude and see some of
the effects as well, but that'll have to wait until another day.
Laird
RV-6 340 hrs
SoCal
Thanks!
Bob Japundza
RealMed Corporation
www.realmed.com
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| From: | ripsteel(at)edge.net (Mark Phillips) |
| Subject: | Re: Vengeance properly directed |
Arguing, debating and finger pointing will resolve nothing- If we want to do
something, we must do this: Go back to your work, be productive and act as one
People united against these actions. Our votes choose our leaders, and our taxes
give them the means to do our will. Let them do their job. If they don't, we
will
hold them accountable. This is our best response, it is what Americans do best,
and we can ALL take part.
Let's stay focused
Mark Phillips
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| From: | Mike Thompson <grobdriver(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-9A Cabin Heat |
--- Albert Gardner wrote:
>
>
> Van's leave the issue of cabin heat pretty much alone. So-while I
> can see
> that the plumbing from the muff to the firewall probably should wait
> till I
> install the O-320-A1A and exhaust system-it would seem to be a good
> idea to
> put some sort of opening and a controllable door on the firewall
You want to carefully consider the placement of the cabin heat vent.
If you don't put on some means (on the cabin side) of diffusing the
warm air, or re-directing it, you will get a hot foot.
With something like that attached, you will need to be careful how low
you place the vent lest there be interference with the rudder pedals.
The controllable door to which you refer is built into the vent box
from Van's.
So cabin heat can be as simple as a 2-inch hole in the firewall onto
which you attach the vent box.
Mike Thompson
Austin, TX
-6 N140RV (Reserved)
Firewall Forward
====
Michael E. Thompson (Grobdriver(at)yahoo.com)
Austin, TX, USA
RV-6 in progress, N140RV (Reserved)
EX-AX1 Sub Hunter, P-3 (B/B-TACMOD/C) Orion Aircrew,
PP-G,ASEL, Motorglider Driver and Unlimited Air Race Nut!
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| From: | Im7shannon(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV-9A Cabin Heat |
>
> Albert,
>
> Dwg 19 shows the suggested location for a 2" hole for the cabin heat valve.
> I purchased the heat valve kit from Van's (the wedge-shaped one). The heat
> valve can be seen from inside the cabin in the third picture on this page:
> http://www.execpc.com/~cjh/brake_valve.html
>
> Chris Heitman
Thats what I did too, Albert. I pointed the incoming air end toward the
passenger side and put the heat muff on that side, it works well.
Kevin Shannon
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| From: | "RV4" <VansRV4GRVMJ(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vengeance properly directed |
> 99.99% of Islamic people are completely innocent of this or any attrocity.
It
> is not their war and it is not to them to whom we should direct our might.
We
> should not retaliate against their cities and populations.
Those who fail to report those who perpetrate are just as guilty. I agree
with your president who said words to that same effect in last nights
address to the nation. I stayed up to watch it, at 2.30 a.m. LT
This is in part caused by the "civil rights mafia's" and other such
organisations.
For example : Anywhere in Europe you will only have "the Right" to go to the
gate if you have passed security in posession of a valid boarding pass. You
will pass at least one checkpoint before you reach the gate, some airports
it can be more. If you fly into London from Belfast you can even be picked
out by special branch after you arrive at heathrow.......
Even the CNN newsreporters believe they have the "Right and Duty" to blast
America's intelligence gathering methods over the airwaves, so that the
whole planet knows what the americans are up to................
I was on the 110 th floor in december last year and it was one of those
nights with a 50 mile vis. I will never forget the experience. Ever since I
was a child I wanted to go to NY, it was a dream come true for me last year.
I'm very shocked and angry about these attacks and I believe that ones and
for all this should be stamped out.
Stuff human rights,etc, thousands had theirs violated yesterday. Let us not
forget the PanAm 103, the prime suspect was chauffeured around in a BMW 7
series in holland for his trial, while an ordinary robber gets the sh*t
beaten out of him in the back of prisonvan.............
WAKE UP WHILE YOU STILL CAN..............
Marcel de Ruiter
Northern Ireland
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"RV list"
| From: | Graham Singleton <grasingleton(at)avnet.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Thoughts and Condolences |
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Paul Besing"
>
>
>Thanks to all supporters in other countries around the world. I think it
>could be so easy for people from other nations to turn their head and not
>get involved. The compassion that has been shown from listers in many
>countries really shows that no matter where one is from, there is always a
>common bond when it comes to humanity. (at least from rational, caring, and
>supportive individuals from these nations)
>
>Paul Besing
I second that. The free world all know that the black 11th will affect the
whole world.
An unconsidered violent response is probably what the evil ones who
perpetrated this atrocity wanted to achieve. It is to be hoped that the big
guys in the military are careful and accurate when they do respond. If they
punish the wrong people the results will be bad for us all.
I do hope that Bob hasn't been driven away by the ill considered political
remarks carelessly thrown around. That too would help the evil ones to
achieve their goal which it appears is to create chaos in the free world.
Graham (UK )
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| Subject: | Re: Some Interesting Data (Long) |
Just Curious, what does this message say? AOL can't read it.
In a message dated 9/12/2001 9:05:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Bob.Japundza(at)realmed.com writes:
>
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| From: | "Bill Shook" <billshook(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Your religious freedom |
> I am sorry for being so intolerant and preachy on this subject.
Christians
> aren't perfect.
Christians aren't perfect? No kidding? Reference the great crusades. The
point being that more people have been killed in the name of God than all
other reasons put together. This whole terrorist issue is an issue of God,
and not the issue we've been told it is. Muslims don't want to kill all of
us because we're not Muslim. That is ridiculous. They are pissed at us
because WE keep attacking THEM. We have been doing so for 50 years. The
Jewish homeland was invented and unfairly planted in the middle of the Arab
nations without their permission. Then, over the last 50 years the nation
of Israel has aggressively expanded their lands by killing the present
occupants and taking it. No other way to explain a country getting bigger
when it's neighbors are not selling them the land. It's aggression..and
just because most of us over here don't hear about it, doesn't mean it's not
happening. Standing behind that little nation like a big brother teaching
his little brother to be a bully is the USA...and THAT is why the Arabs have
not blasted Israel straight off the planet for their aggression. That being
said, our current terrorism is simply their only way of lashing out at a
clearly dominant country that they have no means of fighting otherwise. We
look down on terrorism the way the British looked down on us when we refused
to fight in staggered lines firing in succession. We fought that way,
because it was our only way to make a fight out of it. They are doing the
same, and no I do not condone it. I'm just a United States Marine that
understands when your enemy is stronger, you use Guerilla tactics, sabotage,
snipers, whatever it takes. Want a reason why this has happened to us? Ask
Israel, it's their fight and they are the aggressor ...and take a look at
their ever expanding borders while you're at it.
Oh, and I couldn't care less if you pray in public....just pull your car
over first so you're not in my way while you do it. Then you can get out
and roll around on the ground waiting for the Easter bunny for all I care.
Bill
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| Subject: | GBA, long not rv related |
| From: | Eric.J.Henson(at)chase.com |
01:33:02 PM
I know how you all feel. We grew up on scenes of guys rolling up their
sleeves and gritting their teeth on the way to join the Marines on Dec, 8th
1941. My chance came when 246 brave Marines, Soldiers and Sailors died in a
cowardly attack in Beirut. I wanted to avenge the death of a kid from my
town, couldn't wait to spill Islamic blood. This was almost a decade after
watching brave Marine security personnel and civilians being forced to
submit to the Iranian terrorist. I guess you could say some of us have
watched this needless bloodshed most of our lives. I sat there in horror,
again, yesterday wondering what could be done. Unlike Pearl Harbor, there
is no return address on this. It is not the work of a country but the work
of a few religious zealots that did this. To single out and attack based on
the belief or intent that caused yesterdays tragedy would be against
everything America stands for. No I'm not a pacifist, I would love to
greasepaint my face one more time and hump the "busy" in a platoon of
firebreathing killers on the way to settle the score. Not gonna happen. To
kill a few only strengthens the resolve of the many and increases their
numbers. They are a society that places martyrdom at the highest point of
human existence. We are a society that loves life, and has much more to
loose. We also are wide open and availing to our world wide neighbors. To
fan the flames of hate only brings it back on us. Maybe the US will get
lucky and some brave kid will pull a dream mission and go zap Bin Ladin,
maybe not.
So what can each of us do? I must have pondered this the whole day. It
finally came to me. After years of education and Christian upbringing, I
find that I still derive a lot of my wisdom from Gunnery Sgt. Lott, USMC.
Gunny Lott was one of those lifer Marines that for what ever reason
dedicated his life to keeping other peoples smart ass kids alive in combat.
He looked ancient, totally bald, weather beaten face, walked with a stoup
from many back injuries and too many hard miles, he was 32 years old. He
kept his boots shined on our asses, and our ears ringing with a tapestry of
profanity that even Shakespeare would envy. He taught us a lot about life.
To this day, I've never seen him be wrong, and he never lied to us. So in
my heart I asked Gunny Lott what can I do? I know what he would have said.
"Ya know what you can do boy? Ya get on your gear, put on your pack and
keep marching. That's what you can do"
So what does that mean to those of you that did not get to "sit" at the
feet of the master? It means you can refuse to let cowards change you. It
means you keep on being Americans. You maintain your belief that the
person you meet on the street is basically a good person even though he
looks different than you. You uphold the "American Way" which is the very
source of their hatred. We continue on enforcing peace among oppressed
people at the cost of our own blood. We continue to develop new ideas and
medicines that will eventually benefit the very people that seek to destroy
us. We continue to bank roll the development of less fortunate nations with
the unspoken realization that we will never see one dollar returned. We
continue to be America!
And when it happens again, and it will, we bury our dead, honor their
memories, put on our packs and march.
Semper Fi
Eric Henson
(my apologies to listers outside America that could do without my patriotic
fervor)
"Van Artsdalen, Scott" (at)matronics.com on 09/12/2001
10:17:41 AM
Please respond to rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent by: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
cc:
Subject: RE: RV-List: GBA
So, it's okay to talk about God during disasters but not normally?? I can
remember within the last year a lister being blasted for posting off-topic
material that included relieous beliefs. Now we all have religeon all of a
sudden? Is this horrible, horrible event what it takes?
Yes, GOD BLESS AMERICA.
God bless all who use this... and may GOD help ANYONE who ever flames me
for
mentioning God on this list again!!
And Tom Gummo, I'm with you! I think the US needs to take swift,
decisive,
and OVERWHELMING action. I sincerely hope that our President has the balls
to do what is necessary.
--
Scott (a slightly angry Christian) VanArtsdalen
RV-4 builder
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Jewell [mailto:jjewell(at)telus.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:17 PM
Subject: RV-List: GBA
This morning I awoke and went first to this list as has become my habit
for four years plus.
The very first message that came to the screen was;
"God Bless America"
My thoughts where not thoughts born of patience or understanding as I
hit the delete button.
As it happens I finished editing the email and went next to the
television.
The next thing I saw was an obviously Moslem individual being
interviewed. The translator was barely able to speak English and I found
it very hard to make sense of what the interview was about.
I changed channels and saw what at first I believed to be a promotion
for another in a long line of thriller movies.
The reality of what I was actually seeing clawed and scraped away at my
inability to perceive.
The crescendo of horror continued on. the painful tearing and scraping
went on and continues still.
Please whom ever sent that blessing that began this day for me please
accept my apology for being so jaded as to turn away from your statement
born of pain that I to now share.
If I am changed this much by such a reality as this day has brought, I
can not imagine how to find any better words than yours to express this
anguish that has befallen all of us.
God bless us all.
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| From: | Arthur Glaser <airplane(at)megsinet.net> |
| Subject: | [Fwd: [Fwd: interesting quote from nostradamus (1654)]] |
Arthur Glaser wrote:
>
>
> EarlStark(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>> Subject: Here is an interesting quote from nostradamus (1654)
>>
>> "In the year of the new century and nine months, From the sky will
>> come a
>> great King of Terror... The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
>> Fire
>> approaches the great new city... In the city of york there will be a
>> great
>> collapse,
>> 2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos while the fortress falls the
>> great leader
>> will succumb the third big war will begin when the big city is
>> burning" -
>> NOSTRADAMUS 1654
>>
>> He said this will be bigger than the previous two.
>> 2001 is the first year of the new century and this is the 9th month.
>> New York
>> is located at the 41st degree Latitude.
>
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| From: | WPAerial(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Oregon Air Fair 2001 still on. |
The Oregon Air Fair at the Albany Oregon Airport and Linn Co.. Expo center is
still a go this week end. Sept. 15 and 16. Van's will be there. Fly or
drive in. If you can give some of you're time, volunteer to help, just sign
in at the volunteer room.
Jerry Wilken
jwewilken(at)aol.com
GOD Bless the USA!!!!!!!
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| From: | "Michael Sices" <michaelsices(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Your religious freedom |
Too hard to let this one go...
>We look down on terrorism the way the British looked down on us when >we
>refused to fight in staggered lines firing in succession. We >fought that
>way, because it was our only way to make a fight out of >it.
The revolutionaries in this county never used terrorism to gain
independence. You comparison of terrorism to any other modern war practice,
like gurilla tactics, shows a clear lack of moralilty. You and arab
radicals' willingness to kill innocent women and children to achieve an end
is what is purely evil about terrorism. I don't care if its the only means
to an end or not.
>The Jewish homeland was invented and unfairly planted in the middle of >the
>Arab nations without their permission.
Check your history books, this was land controlled and goverened by Great
Britain prior to WWII... NOT by any arab nation.
>Then, over the last 50 years the nation of Israel has aggressively
> >expanded their lands by killing the presentoccupants and taking it.
That was during the war in 1950 in which arab countries attacked Isreal and
got their rear-ends kicked by Isreal defendeding itself.
>Standing behind that little nation like a big brother teaching his >little
>brother to be a bully is the USA
Maybe you would prefer to live under Taliban rule - it sounds like you would
fit right in...
Mike Sices
RV8 QB
>From: "Bill Shook" <billshook(at)earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RV-List: Your religious freedom
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:08:30 -0400
>
>
> > I am sorry for being so intolerant and preachy on this subject.
>Christians
> > aren't perfect.
>
>
>Christians aren't perfect? No kidding? Reference the great crusades. The
>point being that more people have been killed in the name of God than all
>other reasons put together. This whole terrorist issue is an issue of God,
>and not the issue we've been told it is. Muslims don't want to kill all of
>us because we're not Muslim. That is ridiculous. They are pissed at us
>because WE keep attacking THEM. We have been doing so for 50 years. The
>Jewish homeland was invented and unfairly planted in the middle of the Arab
>nations without their permission. Then, over the last 50 years the nation
>of Israel has aggressively expanded their lands by killing the present
>occupants and taking it. No other way to explain a country getting bigger
>when it's neighbors are not selling them the land. It's aggression..and
>just because most of us over here don't hear about it, doesn't mean it's
>not
>happening. Standing behind that little nation like a big brother teaching
>his little brother to be a bully is the USA...and THAT is why the Arabs
>have
>not blasted Israel straight off the planet for their aggression. That
>being
>said, our current terrorism is simply their only way of lashing out at a
>clearly dominant country that they have no means of fighting otherwise. We
>look down on terrorism the way the British looked down on us when we
>refused
>to fight in staggered lines firing in succession. We fought that way,
>because it was our only way to make a fight out of it. They are doing the
>same, and no I do not condone it. I'm just a United States Marine that
>understands when your enemy is stronger, you use Guerilla tactics,
>sabotage,
>snipers, whatever it takes. Want a reason why this has happened to us?
>Ask
>Israel, it's their fight and they are the aggressor ...and take a look at
>their ever expanding borders while you're at it.
>
>Oh, and I couldn't care less if you pray in public....just pull your car
>over first so you're not in my way while you do it. Then you can get out
>and roll around on the ground waiting for the Easter bunny for all I care.
>
>Bill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | joe wiza <jwiza1(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Your religious freedom |
--- Bill Shook wrote:
>
>
> > I am sorry for being so intolerant and preachy on
> this subject.
> Christians
> > aren't perfect.
>
>
PS
Please be carefull when you pull over I may be
peddling out to the airport.
Joe
>
>
>
> Oh, and I couldn't care less if you pray in
> public....just pull your car
> over first so you're not in my way while you do it.
> Then you can get out
> and roll around on the ground waiting for the Easter
> bunny for all I care.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> through
>
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
> Matronics!
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Michael Sices" <michaelsices(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Your religious freedom |
>That was during the war in 1950s in which arab countries attacked >Isreal
>andgot their rear-ends kicked by Isreal defendeding itself.
Actually during both the 1956 and 1967 (6 day) wars - in both cases arab
agressors were defeated with the result of Isreal controling gaza and other
territories previously controled by Egypt (which later signed a peace treaty
with Isreal).
I know this is not nearly the place for this discussion ... just coult not
resist the last post in light of current events.
>From: "Michael Sices" <michaelsices(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Your religious freedom
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:40:59 -0500
>
>
>Too hard to let this one go...
>
>
> >We look down on terrorism the way the British looked down on us when >we
> >refused to fight in staggered lines firing in succession. We >fought
>that
> >way, because it was our only way to make a fight out of >it.
>
>The revolutionaries in this county never used terrorism to gain
>independence. You comparison of terrorism to any other modern war
>practice,
>like gurilla tactics, shows a clear lack of moralilty. You and arab
>radicals' willingness to kill innocent women and children to achieve an end
>is what is purely evil about terrorism. I don't care if its the only means
>to an end or not.
>
> >The Jewish homeland was invented and unfairly planted in the middle of
> >the
> >Arab nations without their permission.
>
>Check your history books, this was land controlled and goverened by Great
>Britain prior to WWII... NOT by any arab nation.
>
> >Then, over the last 50 years the nation of Israel has aggressively
> > >expanded their lands by killing the presentoccupants and taking it.
>
>That was during the war in 1950 in which arab countries attacked Isreal and
>got their rear-ends kicked by Isreal defendeding itself.
>
> >Standing behind that little nation like a big brother teaching his
> >little
> >brother to be a bully is the USA
>
>Maybe you would prefer to live under Taliban rule - it sounds like you
>would
>fit right in...
>
>Mike Sices
>RV8 QB
>
>
> >From: "Bill Shook" <billshook(at)earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: RV-List: Your religious freedom
> >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:08:30 -0400
> >
> >
> > > I am sorry for being so intolerant and preachy on this subject.
> >Christians
> > > aren't perfect.
> >
> >
> >Christians aren't perfect? No kidding? Reference the great crusades.
>The
> >point being that more people have been killed in the name of God than all
> >other reasons put together. This whole terrorist issue is an issue of
>God,
> >and not the issue we've been told it is. Muslims don't want to kill all
>of
> >us because we're not Muslim. That is ridiculous. They are pissed at us
> >because WE keep attacking THEM. We have been doing so for 50 years. The
> >Jewish homeland was invented and unfairly planted in the middle of the
>Arab
> >nations without their permission. Then, over the last 50 years the
>nation
> >of Israel has aggressively expanded their lands by killing the present
> >occupants and taking it. No other way to explain a country getting
>bigger
> >when it's neighbors are not selling them the land. It's aggression..and
> >just because most of us over here don't hear about it, doesn't mean it's
> >not
> >happening. Standing behind that little nation like a big brother
>teaching
> >his little brother to be a bully is the USA...and THAT is why the Arabs
> >have
> >not blasted Israel straight off the planet for their aggression. That
> >being
> >said, our current terrorism is simply their only way of lashing out at a
> >clearly dominant country that they have no means of fighting otherwise.
>We
> >look down on terrorism the way the British looked down on us when we
> >refused
> >to fight in staggered lines firing in succession. We fought that way,
> >because it was our only way to make a fight out of it. They are doing
>the
> >same, and no I do not condone it. I'm just a United States Marine that
> >understands when your enemy is stronger, you use Guerilla tactics,
> >sabotage,
> >snipers, whatever it takes. Want a reason why this has happened to us?
> >Ask
September 07, 2001 - September 12, 2001
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