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From:

"Dalski, Dave" <dave.dalski(at)eds.com>

Subject:

EI EGT/OAT/CHT Gauge FOR SALE

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Electronics International EGT/OAT/CHT Gauge # IE EAC-1. As removed after 35 hours of use in my RV-8A for upgrade. Includes EGT probe and CHT probe, but no OAT probe (probe is available from Van's or EI). In perfect working condition. $225 See product description at http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1029157540-284-9&brows e=ei&product=ei-3function Contact me at dave.dalski(at)eds.com ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Dalski, Dave" <dave.dalski(at)eds.com>

Subject:

Van's Voltmeter & Ammeter FOR SALE

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Van's Aircraft gauges Voltmeter and Ammeter - removed from aircraft after 20 hours of use due to panel reconfiguration. Perfect condition, no scratches, all hardware included. $50 shipped to your location in the continental U.S. See description at the following links http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1028494523-178-444-&-b rowse=ei-&-product=vans-ammeter and <http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1028494523-178-444-&- browse=ei-&-product=vans-voltmeter> Contact me at dave.dalski(at)eds.com ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Subject:

Re: Blue Mountain EFIS

From:

James Freeman <flyeyes(at)bellsouth.net>

On Monday, August 12, 2002, at 07:19 AM, Larry Bowen wrote: > > Thanks for the encouraging update. Glad to be able to do it > > > What did Greg do to 'straighten out your system'? The update DVD was warped (it was noisy in the drive, while a second wasn' t) which resulted in a corrupted system file in the update which prevented the thing from booting after loading the new file. He spent some time figuring out exactly which file,because it was the second time it had happened (he'd gotten one other phone call) The byte count was exactly right, but the file didn't work. After loading the uncorrupted file, even my warped CD loaded the data files OK. He then updated everything to the current version with the terrain, etc. which he was showing at OSH > > I'm still waiting 'two weeks' for an EFIS/Lite. I ordered at Sun and Fun. I think it helps if you actually show up. There does seem to be a lot of activity, and a lot of units ready to ship. It just seems that there aren't enough compared to the number of standing orders. I think it's significant that three people were in the shop on Sunday afternoon. I also saw some of the development work going on--the power supply will soon be _much_ smaller than the current one and the DVD drive will go away once the cost of very large flash RAM comes down enough. James Freeman ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

N188rv(at)aol.com

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Subject:

Re: RV8-List: RV-8/8A

Hi Craig, Come to Jef City. I will give you a ride in my RV-8. I have a RV-8a that is truly 90% finished. It is ready to wire and plumb. It has a IO-360 B1E and hartzell prop mounted on it. Both have 62 hours since factory new. A friend of mine got tired of building and decided to get out of aviation. I bought it from him. I will sell the complete package for $60,000. There are $59,800 worth of parts if you buy from Vans. All the riveting is finished. The canopy is installed. The top wings were made with a single piece of alumunium instead of the two pirces Van ships. The builder was a mechanical contractor all his life and knew how to work metal. Stan Mehrhoff ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

From:

Larry Bowen <lcbowen(at)yahoo.com>

Subject:

Re: Blue Mountain EFIS

What do you mean show up? My initial order and $2400+ downpayment for the E/1 was at SNF too. About 7/1, after many AP servo shipping delays, I got cold feet and switched to the Lite. Since then, at least three shipping deadlines have come and gone without explanation. I understand delays happen, but when you can't find then time to explain to paying customers what's going on, either personally, or with a blanket statement on your website, it's gives the impression you don't give a sh*t. Plain and simple. Communication goes a long way. I wish BMA the best, but unless they make some fundamental changes with how their business is run, they can not be successful. -Larry --- James Freeman wrote: [snip] > > > > I'm still waiting 'two weeks' for an EFIS/Lite. > > I ordered at Sun and Fun. I think it helps if you actually show up. > There does seem to be a lot of activity, and a lot of units ready to ship. > It just seems that there aren't enough compared to the number of > standing orders. > > I think it's significant that three people were in the shop on Sunday > afternoon. > > I also saw some of the development work going on--the power supply will > soon be _much_ smaller than the current one and the DVD drive will go away > once the cost of very large flash RAM comes down enough. > > James Freeman HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ________________________________________________________________________________

Subject:

Re: [Fwd: FW: VOTE NO]

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

From:

Gary Zilik <zilik(at)bewellnet.com>

Glen, I do not ridicule you for believing in your god so please do not ridicule me because of my beliefs. I believe in myself, that's all I need. Also my original country is the United States of America. I never said that God should not be used in the pledge, you assumed that I did. What I was kindly doing is reminding the poster that the RV list is about RV's and not a forum on the the wordage of the pledge. The list contains way to much BS anymore. I have watched people come and go, most because they realise they will never finish their RV, some because people flame them (as you did) because someone missunderstood the meaning of the post. Go back and read my post, I flamed no one, I did not make any reference to religion, you read what you wanted to read and then flamed. Gary Zilik RV-6A 383 hrs and counting Quoting glenn williams : > > I would like to reply to the person that said the > rv-list is not the place to bring up this subjuect. > Well guy whoever you are it has everything to do with > this list in that our freedom is being challenged > everyday here in america by the liberilists. I would > think that if you have a problem with it, I would > kindly suggest that you get over it. What is it going > to take to get your blood to boil? i.e. when they > start taking away your RV privelages because it causes > pollution? Who ever believes that God should not be > used in our pledge I suggest you go back to your > original country and rest it out there. As for me God > will always be my supreme commander and if you dont > like it. Too bad > > have a great day and by the way God bless you > > Regards > Glenn Williams > A&P > Fort Worth, Texas > --- Earl Fortner wrote: > > > > > > > > From: "wam" <k4wam(at)webkorner.com> > > To: > > Subject: FW: VOTE NO > > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:34:47 -0400 > > > > > > No name nor address asked---Just vote no!!!! > > > > Please go to the web site and vote "NO " today! > > > > USA Today is taking a vote on whether the words > > "Under > > > > God" should be removed from the pledge of > > allegiance. > > > > You can vote by going to the following web site: > > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/06/27/pledge-hold.htm > > > > > > Thanks please... keep passing this one along > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> alignleft> > faceTahoma > > size2> > > No > > name nor > > address > > asked---Just vote no!!!! > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > color#ff0000 size2 > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF">Please go to > > the web site > > and vote > > "NO " today! > lang0 > > color#000000 size2 > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF">USA Today > > is taking a > > vote on > > whether the words "Under God" should be > > removed from the pledge > > of > > allegiance. You can vote by going to the > > following web site: > > > > href"http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/06/27/pledge-hold.htm"><> > FONT > > > faceArial>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/06/27/pledge-hold.h> > tm > lang0 faceArial color#0000ff size2 > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > > Thanks > > please... keep passing this one > > along > class929595012-11082002> > color#000000> > > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > class929595012-11082002> > > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > > > > > > --- > > [ This E-mail scanned for viruses by > > www.WebKorner.com ] > > [ Now offering High Speed Internet Access - Get > > Caught Speeding! ] > > > > > > > > Contributions of > > any other form > > > > latest messages. > > other List members. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > http://www.matronics.com/search > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== > Glenn Williams > 8A > A&P > N81GW > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

From:

N8292W(at)aol.com

Subject:

Seat Foam Question

I am building my seats for my RV-4. I am going to use Comfort Foam (green, blue, and pink foam of different densities). I have heard two scenereos for the seat bottoms, one says use one of each layer, the other says do not use the green high density foam and only use the blue and pink. For the back rest, I was going to use only one layer of blue (medium density) foam. I was wondering what people are using for both cushions and seat backs and what is the recommendation from actual users of the foam. I am 5'10" and about 195 lbs, my wife (primary backseat driver) is about 5'4" and about 125 lbs (don't let her know I'm telling you this) Thanks -Mike Kraus N223RV (registered) flying in a couple of months...... ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Michael Sices" <msices(at)core.com>

Subject:

Prop Governor Line Question

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

How are most of you bringing the prop governor line from the rear mounted governor up through the baffle? I've got an IO-360 200hp and a hartzell rear mounted governor. I'm making a teflon aeroquip line for the governor. I notice that the point where the line would have to come up through the baffle to connect to the steel right angle fitting on the front of the engine is exactly at the edge of the doubler-plate/angle piece that holds the baffle to the engine there. It looks like the thing to do is drill a 1" or so hole right there in the baffle and backing angle and use a rubber grommet to bring the hose up through all that aluminum. Any other methods? Another question is, should I firesleeve this line (I'm using stainless braided teflon aeroquip with steel fittings)? I've always assumed that if it carries fuel or oil in the engine compartment it should be firesleeved, but I noticed Lycoming recommends a stainless tubing without firesleeve. Thanks for any help. Mike Sices RV8 Kenosha, WI ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

From:

Earl Fortner <efortner(at)vnet.net>

Subject:

Re: [Fwd: FW: VOTE NO]

My apoligies for starting this. I never intended for it to be sent out on the rv list. Earl, RV4 Gary Zilik wrote: > > Glen, > > I do not ridicule you for believing in your god so please do not ridicule me > because of my beliefs. I believe in myself, that's all I need. Also my original > country is the United States of America. I never said that God should not be > used in the pledge, you assumed that I did. > > What I was kindly doing is reminding the poster that the RV list is about RV's > and not a forum on the the wordage of the pledge. The list contains way to much > BS anymore. I have watched people come and go, most because they realise they > will never finish their RV, some because people flame them (as you did) because > someone missunderstood the meaning of the post. Go back and read my post, I > flamed no one, I did not make any reference to religion, you read what you > wanted to read and then flamed. > > Gary Zilik > RV-6A 383 hrs and counting > > Quoting glenn williams : > > > > > I would like to reply to the person that said the > > rv-list is not the place to bring up this subjuect. > > Well guy whoever you are it has everything to do with > > this list in that our freedom is being challenged > > everyday here in america by the liberilists. I would > > think that if you have a problem with it, I would > > kindly suggest that you get over it. What is it going > > to take to get your blood to boil? i.e. when they > > start taking away your RV privelages because it causes > > pollution? Who ever believes that God should not be > > used in our pledge I suggest you go back to your > > original country and rest it out there. As for me God > > will always be my supreme commander and if you dont > > like it. Too bad > > > > have a great day and by the way God bless you > > > > Regards > > Glenn Williams > > A&P > > Fort Worth, Texas > > --- Earl Fortner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "wam" <k4wam(at)webkorner.com> > > > To: > > > Subject: FW: VOTE NO > > > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:34:47 -0400 > > > > > > > > > No name nor address asked---Just vote no!!!! > > > > > > Please go to the web site and vote "NO " today! > > > > > > USA Today is taking a vote on whether the words > > > "Under > > > > > > God" should be removed from the pledge of > > > allegiance. > > > > > > You can vote by going to the following web site: > > > > > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/06/27/pledge-hold.htm > > > > > > > > > Thanks please... keep passing this one along > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > alignleft> > > faceTahoma > > > size2> > > > No > > > name nor > > > address > > > asked---Just vote no!!!! > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > > color#ff0000 size2 > > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF">Please go to > > > the web site > > > and vote > > > "NO " today! > > lang0 > > > color#000000 size2 > > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF">USA Today > > > is taking a > > > vote on > > > whether the words "Under God" should be > > > removed from the pledge > > > of > > > allegiance. You can vote by going to the > > > following web site: > > > > > > > href"http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/06/27/pledge-hold.htm"><> > > FONT > > > > > faceArial>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/06/27/pledge-hold.h> > > tm > > lang0 faceArial color#0000ff size2 > > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > > > Thanks > > > please... keep passing this one > > > along > > class929595012-11082002> > > color#000000> > > > > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > > class929595012-11082002> > > > > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > > > > > > > > > --- > > > [ This E-mail scanned for viruses by > > > www.WebKorner.com ] > > > [ Now offering High Speed Internet Access - Get > > > Caught Speeding! ] > > > > > > > > > > > > Contributions of > > > any other form > > > > > > latest messages. > > > other List members. > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > > http://www.matronics.com/search > > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== > > Glenn Williams > > 8A > > A&P > > N81GW > > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

From:

glenn williams <willig10(at)yahoo.com>

Subject:

Re: [Fwd: FW: VOTE NO]

Gary: your post was not read as a flame from me. I did not want to implicate you at all. What the gist of my post is about is that we have the left wing liberalists constanly trying to take away anything that has GOD in the subject. My point is this. We all have something that we pride ourselves in being associated with. i.e. rv's the US etc. If we dont get together right now and make a stand for what our country was founded on we are all going to eventually lose any freedoms we currently enjoy. I want you and all who post here to understand that it is not only the left wing party doing these crazy things but it is all around us. Yeah your right that this is the rv list but it is kinda tied into what we post here. I still stand by my right as an American to be a God fearing American and anyone who does not believe as I do you have that choice. However I have the freedom of speech to voice my opinion as you do and even though I may not be politically correct well too bad. I am sick and tired of these guys hiding behind a curtain of secrecy. They know that if they were to come out in the public light they would be criticized to the extreme. believe what you will but dont try to change my countrys hisory because it is in vogue to be anti GOD. you all flame away But I will go to my grave spreading his word. That's my right as an American. I aint in the government. Glenn Williams --- Gary Zilik wrote: > > > Glen, > > I do not ridicule you for believing in your god so > please do not ridicule me > because of my beliefs. I believe in myself, that's > all I need. Also my original > country is the United States of America. I never > said that God should not be > used in the pledge, you assumed that I did. > > What I was kindly doing is reminding the poster that > the RV list is about RV's > and not a forum on the the wordage of the pledge. > The list contains way to much > BS anymore. I have watched people come and go, most > because they realise they > will never finish their RV, some because people > flame them (as you did) because > someone missunderstood the meaning of the post. Go > back and read my post, I > flamed no one, I did not make any reference to > religion, you read what you > wanted to read and then flamed. > > Gary Zilik > RV-6A 383 hrs and counting > > Quoting glenn williams : > > > > > > I would like to reply to the person that said the > > rv-list is not the place to bring up this > subjuect. > > Well guy whoever you are it has everything to do > with > > this list in that our freedom is being challenged > > everyday here in america by the liberilists. I > would > > think that if you have a problem with it, I would > > kindly suggest that you get over it. What is it > going > > to take to get your blood to boil? i.e. when they > > start taking away your RV privelages because it > causes > > pollution? Who ever believes that God should not > be > > used in our pledge I suggest you go back to your > > original country and rest it out there. As for me > God > > will always be my supreme commander and if you > dont > > like it. Too bad > > > > have a great day and by the way God bless you > > > > Regards > > Glenn Williams > > A&P > > Fort Worth, Texas > > --- Earl Fortner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "wam" <k4wam(at)webkorner.com> > > > To: > > > Subject: FW: VOTE NO > > > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:34:47 -0400 > > > > > > > > > No name nor address asked---Just vote no!!!! > > > > > > Please go to the web site and vote "NO " > today! > > > > > > USA Today is taking a vote on whether the words > > > "Under > > > > > > God" should be removed from the pledge of > > > allegiance. > > > > > > You can vote by going to the following web site: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/06/27/pledge-hold.htm > > > > > > > > > Thanks please... keep passing this one along > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > alignleft> > > faceTahoma > > > size2> > > > color#0000a0>No > > > name nor > > > address > > > asked---Just vote no!!!! > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > > color#ff0000 size2 > > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF">Please > go to > > > the web site > > > and vote > > > "NO " > today! > > lang0 > > > color#000000 size2 > > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF">USA > Today > > > is taking a > > > vote on > > > whether the words "Under God" should be > > > removed from the pledge > > > of > > > allegiance. You can vote by going to the > > > following web site: > > > > > > > > href"http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/06/27/pledge-hold.htm"><> > > FONT > > > > > > faceArial>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/06/27/pledge-hold.h> > > tm > > lang0 faceArial color#0000ff size2 > > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > > > Thanks > > > please... keep passing this one > > > along > > class929595012-11082002> > > color#000000> > > > > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > > > class929595012-11082002> > > > > > > FAMILY"SANSSERIF"> > > > > > > > > > --- > > > [ This E-mail scanned for viruses by > > > www.WebKorner.com ] > > > [ Now offering High Speed Internet Access - Get > > > Caught Speeding! ] > > > > > > > > > > > > Contributions of > > > any other form > > > > > > latest messages. > > > other List members. > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > > http://www.matronics.com/search > > > http://www.matronics.com/archives > > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== > > Glenn Williams > > 8A > > A&P > > N81GW > > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated == ==== Glenn Williams 8A A&P N81GW HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

HCRV6(at)aol.com

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Subject:

Re: Spare Nutplates?

Send me your address Steve and I'll drop some in the mail to you. Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, electrical stuff ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Subject:

firewall mounting the oil cooler...

From:

czechsix(at)juno.com

I know this question wasn't addressed to me but I'll take the unsolicited opportunity to give MHO anyway : ) I plan to firewall mount my 9-row AeroClassics oil cooler on my O-360 installation because it will reduce the vibration stresses on the baffling, oil cooler, and fittings. Back in the dark ages when I was an A&P turning wrenches on spam cans I saw a lot of cracked baffles around where the oil cooler was mounted, and several cracked oil coolers too. Granted these airplanes had thousands of hours on them so my RV may not have the same problems until long after I'm gone but nevertheless I prefer to reduce the odds of problems wherever possible... Firewall mounted installations also makes it a bit easier to install a valve on the inlet side of the cooler to control airflow through it. Not trying to start another thread on vernatherms and whether or not a valve is (or should be) needed. Lots of builders including local guys have had problems getting the oil up to proper temps during the cold winter wx, and some spam cans have oil cooler winterization plates to deal with this issue, so I plan to install a cockpit controllable air inlet valve and slay this dragon from day one. --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finishing...canopy... From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: Oil cooler for sale So on your next RV, are you going to go with the baffle mounted cooler, or are you still fond of the firewall mount? Why? - Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"David Carter" <dcarter(at)datarecall.net>

Subject:

Re: Seat Foam Question

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

The vendor I bought my two sets of Temperfoam from had literature that recommended deleting one of the 3 layers if you were over so much weight - can't lay my hands on it now. I weight 187-190 pounds (6'4"). I have one set in my chair at the dinner table and use all 3 densities. In my car, I have only the blue and pink - is great on reducing onset of "sitting pains" on 8-10 hr trips in car (onset is about 2-3 hours without foam). I just have the foam in pillow cases at this time, until I get to upholstering the RV-6. David Carter ----- Original Message ----- From: <N8292W(at)aol.com> Subject: RV-List: Seat Foam Question > > I am building my seats for my RV-4. I am going to use Comfort Foam (green, blue, and pink foam of different densities). I have heard two scenereos for the seat bottoms, one says use one of each layer, the other says do not use the green high density foam and only use the blue and pink. > > For the back rest, I was going to use only one layer of blue (medium density) foam. > > I was wondering what people are using for both cushions and seat backs and what is the recommendation from actual users of the foam. I am 5'10" and about 195 lbs, my wife (primary backseat driver) is about 5'4" and about 125 lbs (don't let her know I'm telling you this) Thanks > -Mike Kraus > N223RV (registered) > flying in a couple of months...... > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

From:

kempthornes <kempthornes(at)earthlink.net>

Subject:

Re: Places to stop?

> >I'm going to be making a flight from Boise to Chicago tomorrow (Tuesday). Ed, Even if you can file IFR, you will probably not take a straight line. Four years to & from OSH tell me this, twice in my RV6a which is not yet IFR capable and one all too memorable trip across Wyoming in the clouds and rain all the way. That one in the now for sale Debonair. I always stop in Scotts Bluff. Nice FBO but gas was $2.46 this last trip. I stay overnite at the Candlelight Inn ($55). The people who run it and the amenities are so nice I hated to leave! They have a car or two they leave for you at the airport! You just get the key from the FBO and drive the 3 or 4 mi to the motel. I stopped in Bullhead City going to save on gas. Never again. It is the pits and the gas was not as cheap as the cheap fuel web site said. Also, avoid Madison WI if you get into that area. I'd probably refuel in eastern Iowa. K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne RV6-a N7HK flying! PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA) ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com>

Subject:

Trip to Phoenix

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

I will be in the Phoenix/Scottsdale area next week. I was wondering if there were any RV builders or flyers in that area who wouldn't mind a visit from a short, stocky, opinionated, fellow RV builder. I could sure use another inspiration ride too! But anything RV related would be nice. -- Scott VanArtsdalen, MCSE, CCNA Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116 ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

From:

Garry LeGare <versadek(at)earthlink.net>

Subject:

Re: Whirlwind Props

Randy, I can't really make a direct comparison, as Casper went from a Sensenich 85" to the Whirlwind. but the speed appears to be similar. Laird Owens and I recently did an impromptu side by side test at various rpm and mps. At full throttle and 2650 rpm he was 2 to 3 mph faster. At lower RPM & MP there was almost no difference in speed. Laird was by himself and I had a passenger. I also had probably 70 lb. of extra fuel as Casper has a third fuel tank which holds 12. 5 gallons. Our 6s are as close to identical as you can get. Except that Laird's is much smoother and prettier with a very slick paint job. Casper is covered with a very thick (read Heavy) coat of Poly Fiber water based primer, ( I'm doing testing for them) that has surface roughness somewhere between 80 and 120 grit sandpaper. The slight speed difference is therefore easily dismissed, and if you believe those wax companies claims regarding surface finishes, I'll probably pick up 30 MPH just by putting on the top coat and rubbing it out. Obviously the ideal way to do this would be to re & re props like what Laird and I did on his 6 when he compared the Sensenich 83 to the 85. Hope this helps. Garry, "Casper" Randy Lervold wrote: > SNIP > But does it provide any speed improvement over the Hartzell? > > Randy Lervold > RV-8, 234 hrs. > www.rv-8.com > ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>

Subject:

Re: RV8 Manual

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Could somebody fax or email me pages 5 thru 8 of section 7 (wings) from a recent RV8 Construction manual? I seem to have mis-placed them(the dog ate them:) )Thanks Al Grajek RB8 Wings (859) 252-2890 fax. algrajek(at)msn.com ----- Original Message ----- ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"John Furey" <john(at)fureychrysler.com>

Subject:

DigiTrak

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

I have just installed a DigiTrak in my 6A. The mounting kit was excellent and the installation straight forward. With very limited time I must say I am very pleased with it's operation both with and without GPS hook up. I did have to reverse the 4 and 5 wires as the plans state may be needed. I don't know if that will apply to all other installations in the left wing. John Furey O-320 Sensenich 80" ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Cole, Ed" <Ed_Cole(at)maximhq.com>

Subject:

RV7 Tip Up Canopy

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Will anybody building an RV7/A with a tip up canopy or has the drawings please contact me off list. I need a part number of the new braces that Van's now uses to strengthen the canopy frame in the front. Ed Cole RV6A N2169D Flying RV6A N648RV Finishing Maxim Home Page: http://www.maxim-ic.com Products Page: http://www.maxim-ic.com/MaximProducts/products.htm New Products: http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/new_products.cfm Datasheets: http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/l_datasheet3.cfm The information contained in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or reproduction is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

Wheeler North <wnorth(at)sdccd.cc.ca.us>

Subject:

cowl

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Folks, one important aspect of the enclosed plenum is the reduction of upward force on the top cowl that is caused by the Delta P from inside to outside. There is already some upwards lifting of this due to Berniulli effect. This may have been some of the cause of broken lower cowl bottom hinges. I made my "top" out of aluminum, and connected it with six straight peices of hinge. Took about three days to make it, and another three to make the cowl inlet adaptors. W ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham(at)hotmail.com>

Subject:

Re: Tow Bar for 8A

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

Rick, We bought the deluxe (2-piece) cessna tow bar from Sporty's. It worked great until we put the wheel pant on. Now we have to weld a couple of extensions on the get full contact and avoid damaging the wheel pant. Chuck Dave Rowbotham RV-8A (110 hrs) From: "Rick Jory" <RICKJORY(at)MSN.COM> Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com To: Subject: Re: RV-List: Tow Bar for 8A Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:58:43 -0600 -- RV-List message posted by: "Rick Jory" Can someone steer me to a tow bar that works relatively well with an 8A? Thanks. Rick Jory ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Jim Norman" <jnorman(at)intermapsystems.com>

Subject:

cowl

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

exactly as I would do it if I was to do it again. jim Tampa -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wheeler North Subject: RV-List: cowl Folks, one important aspect of the enclosed plenum is the reduction of upward force on the top cowl that is caused by the Delta P from inside to outside. There is already some upwards lifting of this due to Berniulli effect. This may have been some of the cause of broken lower cowl bottom hinges. I made my "top" out of aluminum, and connected it with six straight peices of hinge. Took about three days to make it, and another three to make the cowl inlet adaptors. W ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"DAVID R COOK SR" <DAVERCOOK(at)prodigy.net>

Subject:

Technical Advisors

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

List At what point in building the fuselage should I ask a EAA technical Advisor to inspect my project. Dave Cook, Fuselage Englewood Fl. ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Todd Wiechman" <toddwiechman(at)hotmail.com>

Subject:

Do You Need Help Building?

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

I am just letting you folks know that there is a spot open for a lucky individual that needs help building their RV. I am an A&P with Inspection Authorization and have over 6 years experience in building RV's. I am located in Wichita Kansas, but can build and ship for anyone anywhere. If you are interested, please give me a call at 316-721-5670 or 316-210-5670. I have very competitive rates!!! I will build any part of the RV or the whole kit and kaboodle!! Todd Wiechman toddwiechman(at)hotmail.com http://www.hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Albert Gardner" <albert.gardner(at)worldnet.att.net>

Subject:

Re: Technical Advisors

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

I generally ask for advice just after I make an expensive, time-consuming mistake. Albert Gardner RV-9A ----- Original Message ----- > At what point in building the fuselage should I ask a EAA technical > Advisor to inspect my project. > Dave Cook, Fuselage Englewood Fl. ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

KBoatri144(at)aol.com

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Subject:

Re: Technical Advisors

In a message dated 8/12/02 9:25:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DAVERCOOK(at)prodigy.net writes: << List At what point in building the fuselage should I ask a EAA technical Advisor to inspect my project. Dave Cook, Fuselage Englewood Fl. >> Dave, I'd suggest a look-see when you get all the bulkheads built, then when you get the fuse jigged (prior to skinning), then after skinning. Does anyone know if the EAA/Avemco split has eliminated the old "Get 3 visits from a Tech Counselor" discount from Avemco? You may already know this, but two common ways to qualify as a Tech Counselor are 1) Complete a homebuilt 2) be an Engineer. There are lots of people out there with those qualifications who are not Tech Counselors, simply because they have not submitted the paperwork. Many of them (particularly RV builders) would be just as helpful to you as someone who qualifies AND did the paperwork to become a Tech Counselor. Tech Counselors - Don't be offended - I'm a Tech Counselor too (and an engineer). Kyle Boatright 0-320/Aymar Demuth RV-6 Slider Kennesaw, GA http://www.angelfire.com/my/rv6 ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin(at)valkyrie.net>

Subject:

Wiring Bug

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

List, Boy everything was going great on the wiring each circuit had power and the smoke stayed in the wires! Now for the Final Test I flipped the Master Switch and the Starter solenoid is just clicking away?? I double checked the Master Switch wiring and everything seems fine?? Boy I knew I was going to run into some "Bug" but I am baffled on this one. Sure hope someone out there has some ideas. Thanks, Tom in Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

Oldsfolks(at)aol.com

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Subject:

Technical Advisors

It would be fine with most technical advisors to ask for a visit early on in your project. If you have a conference early,maybe some questions will come up to get answers for before mistakes are made. Good Luck & Happy Flying. Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191 - test flying EAA Tech Counselor ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Richard Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>

Subject:

Georgia Fly In

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Greetings: The 2nd annual Coastal Georgia Fall Fly In will be held at Eagle Neck Airpark on Saturday Oct. 19, 2002 from 11:00 AM to 3:00 PM. Eagle Neck is located on the Georgia Coast half way between Savannah and St. Simons Island. Beautiful scenery, close proximity to Savannah, Hilton Head, and St. Simons. There are 5 RV's on the field, 3 finished and two under construction. Barbeque lunch, awards etc. Please RSVP, request an email flyer and airport arrival briefing for more information. Do not achieve. Dick Sipp RV4 N250DS Eagle Neck Airpark ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

Oldsfolks(at)aol.com

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Subject:

Re: Wiring Bug

If your starter solenoid has two small terminals: be sure you connect you starter switch to the " S " terminal. The " I " terminal is used only for electric ignition-starting. My 2c worth. Bob n' Lu Olds Charleston,Arkansas oldsfolks(at)aol.com RV-4 , N1191X ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin(at)valkyrie.net>

Subject:

Re: Wiring Bug

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Thanks Bob, I just checked to make sure I used the "S" Terminal and did but that was a good suggestion plus another one I can check off the list. Tom in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: <Oldsfolks(at)aol.com> Subject: RV-List: Re: Wiring Bug > > If your starter solenoid has two small terminals: be sure you connect you > starter switch to the " S " terminal. The " I " terminal is used only for > electric ignition-starting. > My 2c worth. > > > Bob n' Lu Olds > Charleston,Arkansas > oldsfolks(at)aol.com > RV-4 , N1191X > > ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"3 rotor" <rv8r300(at)attbi.com>

Subject:

ailerons

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

I should know better than to attempt construction when I'm pissed off and the wife is grumbling about helping. I have discovered that the nose section of an -8 aileron fits perfectly upside down. When building my -6A the scribe drilled aspect took care of this problem, but with the computer generated perfection of a pre-punched kit I need to label things better, left, right, inboard, top, whatever. Yes, I drilled out a few wrong rivets on the -6A, but never like 90 in a row! The only bright light to all of this is that the little dent that the bucking bar made, in the topside, of course, while my arm was wedged inside the aileron, turns out to be on the bottom now. So, another DAMHIK (don't ask me how I know) to file away. Kevin ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"cweyant" <cweyant(at)chuckdirect.com>

Subject:

Re: Warnke Props.two losers

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

Well George, I for one am glad to read this thread. That is what this forum is for. How else would I know to use some caution when dealing with Warnke? You may know everything, but I don't. To anyone else out there with something to say concerning our flying machines, ignore this guy and contribute! ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Wilson" <topgun@cox-internet.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: Warnke Props.two losers > > It is very unfortunate for both of you that your differences went public. A > business that can not resolve and settle with a disgruntled customer (right, > wrong, makes no difference) loses prospect and customer trust. On the other > hand a customer who gains the reputation as a pain in the ass may find that > vendors refuse to do business with them. > > Take the damn prop back. Put a clock in it and sell it as decoration to a > resturant and cut your loses. > > Take your refund, Shut up and hope someone will sell you a prop. > > Tired of both of your crap showing up in my mailbox. > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 12, 2002

From:

Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)earthlink.net>

Subject:

RV-6 Gear broke

Anyone familiar with this? I see that there were two gear failures on RV-s this weekend. One was a 6A even though the report says -6 and then this one an RV-6. I have not heard of a failure on a RV-6 before so was courious as to the reason, as that is what I fly, and am now heading for 14 years. Jerry Springer IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 835YC Make/Model: EXP Description: RV6 Date: 08/11/2002 Time: 2345 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Unknown LOCATION City: NEPHI State: UT Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDING GEAR BROKE ON LANDING AND RAN OFF INTO ALFALFA FIELD, NEPHI, UT Owner Name: COLLETTE RONALD L State: CA ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Todd Wiechman" <toddwiechman(at)hotmail.com>

Subject:

Do You Need Help Building?

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

From:

"Paul Brown" <nightmare(at)adelphia.net>

Subject:

Re: RV6-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 08/10/02

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

----- Original Message ----- > From: marsman17(at)juno.com > > Have you sold the Garmin 195 as yet?? > > Keith > Yes, the 195 is sold. Sorry. Paul ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

From:

Greg Hunsicker <gh2538(at)cjnetworks.com>

Subject:

Re: Warnke Props.

I recieved a prop for my flying -4 from Margie Warnke in May this year after waiting 8 months. I had seen her prop on another -4 shortly before I ordered mine and knew that it would be worth the wait. I was very patient with her as I knew she was losing her mother and she does not have a sidekick to fill in for her. These props are made with HER skills and not someone elses. The prop is truly a work of art and well worth the wait. I had a Sterba prop on my -4 and 200 hours with it. It worked fine and I will keep it for a spare. I really wanted Margie's prop for the shear beauty and boy did I get alot more than I bargained for. This -4 is like a whole new airplane to me now, it just wants to jump off the ground during mag check and has great cruise numbers also. I have never been happier with my airplane and the prop always gets more attention than any other one thing at fly-ins. I am a business person and sell to the public myself, I deal with all kinds and yes there are occasions that someone just can't be pleased. I forwarded last weeks scuttle to Margie as I would not want groups of people talking negatively about my business without the opportunity to reply. I figure we owed that to her. My experience with Warnke Air Products was a positive one! Greg Hunsicker RV-4 Berryton, KS KBoatri144(at)aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/11/02 10:22:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >gh2538(at)cjnetworks.com writes: > > > > > > > >> In a message dated 8/9/2002 8:13:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > >> Warnkeairproduct writes: > >> > >> > >>> To All Concerned, >> > >Greg, > >I'm curious... Why did you post this to the RV-list? I woulda thought if >Marge Warnke wanted to post to the list, she could have. > > >Kyle Boatright >0-320/Aymar Demuth RV-6 Slider >Kennesaw, GA >http://www.angelfire.com/my/rv6 > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

From:

Steven Eberhart <newtech(at)newtech.com>

Subject:

Re: RV-7 model

Dave von Linsowe wrote: > Steve, what scale is the R/C RV-7? > > Dave von Linsowe > RV-6 N98AR flying Finally got the calculator, scales, and the 100% RV-7 plans out. Here is the data on the model: Scale 11% Chord 6.25" Span 33.5" Area 197.65 sq. in. Length 27.5" Wing Loading 24 oz/Sq. ft. Weight 33 oz. Airfoil Selig S8036 16% Engine Fox .15bb (very heavy .15) I am hoping to get some interest in RV-7 pylon racing. Should be a blast with a half dozen of these things racing around the pylons. http://newtech.com/newtech/photos/P1010040.JPG Steve Eberhart 11% RV-7 ready for first flight (33.5" wing span) 33% RV-7 on the drawing board (100" wing span) 100% RV-7 working on fuel tanks (300" wing span) ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Michael D. Crowe" <tripacer(at)bellsouth.net>

Subject:

Wiring Bug

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

Tom, Is your starter solenoid a three terminal or a four terminal? For troubleshooting remove the wires from each terminal one at a time. Report back as which one stops the clicking. Mike Crowe RV8A EMP AP IA McDonough GA Subject: RV-List: Wiring Bug List, Boy everything was going great on the wiring each circuit had power and the smoke stayed in the wires! Now for the Final Test I flipped the Master Switch and the Starter solenoid is just clicking away?? I double checked the Master Switch wiring and everything seems fine?? Boy I knew I was going to run into some "Bug" but I am baffled on this one. Sure hope someone out there has some ideas. Thanks, Tom in Ohio ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe(at)ford.com>

Subject:

Re: Technical Advisors

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

I'm an engineer building an RV-8A. If I do the paperwork to become a Tech Counselor, will I automatically qualify for the discount from Avemco for my plane, or would I need the 3 visits from another Tech counselor to inspect my work? Phil Wiethe 8A emp (HS, VS done) Subject: Re: Technical Advisors From: KBoatri144(at)aol.com Date: Mon Aug 12 - 6:46 PM In a message dated 8/12/02 9:25:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DAVERCOOK(at)prodigy.net writes: << List At what point in building the fuselage should I ask a EAA technical Advisor to inspect my project. Dave Cook, Fuselage Englewood Fl. >> Dave, I'd suggest a look-see when you get all the bulkheads built, then when you get the fuse jigged (prior to skinning), then after skinning. Does anyone know if the EAA/Avemco split has eliminated the old "Get 3 visits from a Tech Counselor" discount from Avemco? You may already know this, but two common ways to qualify as a Tech Counselor are 1) Complete a homebuilt 2) be an Engineer. There are lots of people out there with those qualifications who are not Tech Counselors, simply because they have not submitted the paperwork. Many of them (particularly RV builders) would be just as helpful to you as someone who qualifies AND did the paperwork to become a Tech Counselor. Tech Counselors - Don't be offended - I'm a Tech Counselor too (and an engineer). Kyle Boatright 0-320/Aymar Demuth RV-6 Slider Kennesaw, GA ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Brian Denk" <akroguy(at)hotmail.com>

Subject:

Re: Technical Advisors

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

As a tangent to this thread, hasn't EAA fired Avemco? Even if they haven't, I would NEVER recommend them to any RV'er. Vanguard is the way to go...whether the Tech program will ever be linked to it or not. I do tech inspections just because it's a good way to meet new builders and to get them over the initial learning curve. It's usually an intitial check on the tail kit, then much later on when it's wiring, engine mounting, plumbing time. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD EAA Tech Counselor >From: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe(at)ford.com> >Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >To: "'rv-list(at)matronics.com'" >Subject: RV-List: Re: Technical Advisors >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:55:07 -0400 > > >I'm an engineer building an RV-8A. If I do the paperwork to become a Tech >Counselor, will I automatically qualify for the discount from Avemco for my >plane, or would I need the 3 visits from another Tech counselor to inspect >my work? > >Phil Wiethe >8A emp (HS, VS done) > >Subject: Re: Technical Advisors >From: KBoatri144(at)aol.com >130146.g7D1k2k20278(at)matronics.com> >Date: Mon Aug 12 - 6:46 PM >130146.g7D1k2k20278(at)matronics.com> > >In a message dated 8/12/02 9:25:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >DAVERCOOK(at)prodigy.net >208130146.g7D1k2k20278(at)matronics.com> writes: > ><< List > > At what point in building the fuselage should I ask a EAA technical > Advisor to inspect my project. > > Dave Cook, Fuselage Englewood Fl. >> > >Dave, > >I'd suggest a look-see when you get all the bulkheads built, then when you >get the fuse jigged (prior to skinning), then after skinning. > >Does anyone know if the EAA/Avemco split has eliminated the old "Get 3 >visits >from a Tech Counselor" discount from Avemco? > >You may already know this, but two common ways to qualify as a Tech >Counselor >are 1) Complete a homebuilt 2) be an Engineer. There are lots of people >out > >there with those qualifications who are not Tech Counselors, simply because >they have not submitted the paperwork. Many of them (particularly RV >builders) would be just as helpful to you as someone who qualifies AND did >the paperwork to become a Tech Counselor. > >Tech Counselors - Don't be offended - I'm a Tech Counselor too (and an >engineer). > >Kyle Boatright >0-320/Aymar Demuth RV-6 Slider >Kennesaw, GA > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/9656/akroshomepage.htm MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin(at)valkyrie.net>

Subject:

Re: Wiring Bug

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

Mike, You put me on to the Cure! I have a 4-Post Starter Solenoid and noticed after your E-Mail pointed me in the right direction the problem. As soon as I hit the Master Switch power was also flowing from the ignition switch to the starter solenoid at 11.3 volts?? I traced back to ignition switch and found the lead for Batt. and S. were touching completing the circuit!! Rewired the ignition switch using shrink tubing on all connectors this time. Problem solved, but I am sure lucky the starter didn't engage even if I don't know why yet. Thanks to the many replies and help from all the people on the list!!!!! Tom in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D. Crowe" <tripacer(at)bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: RV-List: Wiring Bug > > Tom, > > Is your starter solenoid a three terminal or a four terminal? For > troubleshooting remove the wires from each terminal one at a time. Report > back as which one stops the clicking. > > Mike Crowe > RV8A EMP > AP IA > McDonough GA > > Subject: RV-List: Wiring Bug > > > List, Boy everything was going great on the wiring each circuit had > power and the smoke stayed in the wires! > Now for the Final Test I flipped the Master Switch and the > Starter solenoid is just clicking away?? I double checked the Master > Switch wiring and everything seems fine?? Boy I knew I was going to run > into some "Bug" but I am baffled on this one. > Sure hope someone out there has some ideas. > > Thanks, Tom in Ohio > > ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org>

Subject:

Re: Technical Advisors

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

I just ran this by EAA Headquarters. They are always recommending qualified people to become technical counselors. However, EAA with the program is looking for the "second set" of eye balls so that you can't do your inspection but need to get another person for the formal inspection. This makes sense as every individual looks for and finds difference items. But together, the builder and the outside TC will do a better, more complete, safer job of inspection. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe(at)ford.com> Subject: RV-List: Re: Technical Advisors I'm an engineer building an RV-8A. If I do the paperwork to become a Tech Counselor, will I automatically qualify for the discount from Avemco for my plane, or would I need the 3 visits from another Tech counselor to inspect my work? Phil Wiethe 8A emp (HS, VS done) Subject: Re: Technical Advisors From: KBoatri144(at)aol.com Date: Mon Aug 12 - 6:46 PM In a message dated 8/12/02 9:25:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DAVERCOOK(at)prodigy.net writes: << List At what point in building the fuselage should I ask a EAA technical Advisor to inspect my project. Dave Cook, Fuselage Englewood Fl. >> Dave, I'd suggest a look-see when you get all the bulkheads built, then when you get the fuse jigged (prior to skinning), then after skinning. Does anyone know if the EAA/Avemco split has eliminated the old "Get 3 visits from a Tech Counselor" discount from Avemco? You may already know this, but two common ways to qualify as a Tech Counselor are 1) Complete a homebuilt 2) be an Engineer. There are lots of people out there with those qualifications who are not Tech Counselors, simply because they have not submitted the paperwork. Many of them (particularly RV builders) would be just as helpful to you as someone who qualifies AND did the paperwork to become a Tech Counselor. Tech Counselors - Don't be offended - I'm a Tech Counselor too (and an engineer). Kyle Boatright 0-320/Aymar Demuth RV-6 Slider Kennesaw, GA ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Jack Blomgren" <jackanet(at)hotmail.com>

Subject:

Team Rocket/-8 questions

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

Builders, Team Rocket e-mail addresses don't compute! Anybody have working address(es)? My question to them would be: For an 8, what upper and lower gear leg intersection fairings to use with their gear leg fairings. (TR catalog mentions for 8A, but blank for the 8). Your use comments also most welcome on TR's vs. Van's fairings on an 8. Thanks in advance & best regards, Jack Blomgren, Red Wing, MN -8 fuselage stuffing http://www.hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

From:

"Mike Wills" <willsm(at)spawar.navy.mil>

Subject:

Re: Warnke Props.

I opened a real can of worms when I asked Rob Shipley to ask about the status of Warnke on the list on my behalf. I simply wanted to find out if anyone had spoken to Margie recently and knew what the status of her move was. When I called the shop number and found that it was disconnected I jumped to the conclusion that she had made the move without shipping my prop as promised. As it turned out, she responded to the voice mail that I left within a couple of hours and assured me the prop would ship before she moved. In hindsight, I wish I hadnt made the request of Rob when I did. In my defense, I did this because during the time of her mother's passing there was a period of about a week when I tried repeatedly to reach her and could not get any response to my repeated calls. I was not the only customer with this problem at the time. After a week of trying to reach her, she finally added a message to the shop line explaining her situation. At the time I felt (and still do) that she could have eliminated a lot of customer anxiety by keeping her paying customers better informed about what's going on. Just my opinion. My anxiety was boosted by the fact that I went through a major hassle getting product from a engine monitor manufacturer who went out of business a couple of years ago. That's a long story, but started out with similar circumstances (increasingly long delivery times and issues with reaching the vendor). I spoke with Margie again last night and she assured me that the prop has now shipped and I should expect it by the end of the week. I'll let the list know when I get it. As for the long lead times, I have no problem with that. Before I ordered I was told by many customers to expect a long wait but that the wait would be worth it. On several occasions I told Margie that additional delay would be no problem for me as I didnt yet need the prop. She concentrated on getting out props that were holding up customer's projects and that was fine with me. I dont really understand what's going on with those customers who recieved props they werent happy with. Up until now I'd never heard from anyone who was actually dissatisfied with a prop they got from Margie. As for the speculation on the reasons for her move, I'd suggest that the person who posted that should have kept that to himself unless he can prove it. It was an uncalled for slander that has no place here. Mike Wills RV-4 (firewall forward details; Mazda powered) > My experience with Warnke Air Products >was a positive one! > >Greg Hunsicker >RV-4 >Berryton, KS ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Eric Parlow" <ericparlow(at)hotmail.com>

Subject:

Tri-gear vs Tailwheel & engine choice?

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

Does the Tri-Gear or Tailwheel configuration offer more flexibility in engine choice? i.e. CG, engine mount, cowl design,etc....... ERic-- ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com>

Subject:

Re: Technical Advisors & insurance

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

----Original Message Follows---- From: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe(at)ford.com> Subject: RV-List: Re: Technical Advisors Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:55:07 -0400 I'm an engineer building an RV-8A. If I do the paperwork to become a Tech Counselor, will I automatically qualify for the discount from Avemco for my plane, or would I need the 3 visits from another Tech counselor to inspect my work? Phil Wiethe 8A emp (HS, VS done) Subject: Re: Technical Advisors From: KBoatri144(at)aol.com Date: Mon Aug 12 - 6:46 PM In a message dated 8/12/02 9:25:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DAVERCOOK(at)prodigy.net << List At what point in building the fuselage should I ask a EAA technical Advisor to inspect my project. Dave Cook, Fuselage Englewood Fl. >> Dave, I'd suggest a look-see when you get all the bulkheads built, then when you get the fuse jigged (prior to skinning), then after skinning. Does anyone know if the EAA/Avemco split has eliminated the old "Get 3 visits from a Tech Counselor" discount from Avemco? You may already know this, but two common ways to qualify as a Tech Counselor are 1) Complete a homebuilt 2) be an Engineer. There are lots of people out there with those qualifications who are not Tech Counselors, simply because they have not submitted the paperwork. Many of them (particularly RV builders) would be just as helpful to you as someone who qualifies AND did the paperwork to become a Tech Counselor. Tech Counselors - Don't be offended - I'm a Tech Counselor too (and an engineer). Kyle Boatright 0-320/Aymar Demuth RV-6 Slider Kennesaw, GA As an EAA Tech Counselor (A&P plus Engineer) for more years than my airplane has been flying, you need to get a second set of eyes to look over your project. I have helped another TC with "visits" on his project and he made "visits" on my project when it was a project. I sorta agree with Kyle on the inspection times. When the skeleton structure is in the jig and you have one skin riveted on. If you have difficulties and have questions, call your local EAA TC and get him to have a look sooner. If the builder is very SURE of what he is doing, a visit after the fuselage comes out of the jig will work. I like to look at the tail when one side of the skin is riveted on but the other side is open ready to rivet. Allows me to see how well the rivets are done and is still early enough that the parts can be saved without purchasing new parts. Next visit is when one side of the wing is skinned and the other side is ready to skin. I like to see when the fuselage comes out of the jig or when systems are being installed. I will come out any time that the builder has questions that cannot be answered by phone or email. I recommend to all builders to get 3 sets of eyes (EAA TC, A&P, and/or another builder that is flying) when the project is complete to look over everything before the first flight. This is 3 sets in addition to the DAR. I was insured with Avemco. When EAA and Avemco parted, so did I. With the EAA discount on Avemco compared to the regular price on the Vanguard program, my rate dropped 21%. Thanks for the lower rate JT. As I understand it, the EAA TC program was started to replace the inspections the FAA did on experimental aircraft while under construction. This helps make our experimental aircraft as safe as they can be while still allowing us the freedom to fly. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,159 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

dirtyrottenscoundrels(at)attbi.com

Subject:

Wiring Bug

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

Tom, Are you trying to run the electrical system off of your battery or off of a regulated 12 Volt DC power source? When I was wiring my electrical system I had a similar problem. I was using a regulated 12 VDC supply. When I had everything turned on, the relay would chatter. It turned out that I was drawing too much amperage from the power supply and it would cut-out and cause the master relay to chatter. Glenn Gordon N442E 55 hours > > Tom, > > Is your starter solenoid a three terminal or a four terminal? For > troubleshooting remove the wires from each terminal one at a time. Report > back as which one stops the clicking. > > Mike Crowe > RV8A EMP > AP IA > McDonough GA > > Subject: RV-List: Wiring Bug > > > > List, Boy everything was going great on the wiring each circuit had > power and the smoke stayed in the wires! > Now for the Final Test I flipped the Master Switch and the > Starter solenoid is just clicking away?? I double checked the Master > Switch wiring and everything seems fine?? Boy I knew I was going to run > into some "Bug" but I am baffled on this one. > Sure hope someone out there has some ideas. > > Thanks, Tom in Ohio > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"John Helms" <jhelms(at)i1.net>

Subject:

Re: Technical Advisors & insurance

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

AVEMCO's rates are so high, why would you care? Even discounted for 3 or 4 different things (one of which, EAA membership, went away recently IIRC) their rates are still higher than the VanGuard Program, and even some of the other insurance companies. And don't forget the differences in the liability coverages (AVEMCO does the sublimit as per PERSON instead of per PASSENGER like all the other companies, and AVEMCO limits your family members to 25% of the sublimit while no other company has any family sublimits.) So even if AVEMCO offered you the same price as any other company out there today, I would recommend the other company, because the liability coverages are so much better thru all the other companies. John "JT" Helms Branch Manager NationAir Insurance Agency Pleasure and Business Branch ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: Technical Advisors & insurance ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe(at)ford.com> Subject: RV-List: Re: Technical Advisors Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:55:07 -0400 I'm an engineer building an RV-8A. If I do the paperwork to become a Tech Counselor, will I automatically qualify for the discount from Avemco for my plane, or would I need the 3 visits from another Tech counselor to inspect my work? Phil Wiethe 8A emp (HS, VS done) Subject: Re: Technical Advisors From: KBoatri144(at)aol.com Date: Mon Aug 12 - 6:46 PM In a message dated 8/12/02 9:25:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DAVERCOOK(at)prodigy.net << List At what point in building the fuselage should I ask a EAA technical Advisor to inspect my project. Dave Cook, Fuselage Englewood Fl. >> Dave, I'd suggest a look-see when you get all the bulkheads built, then when you get the fuse jigged (prior to skinning), then after skinning. Does anyone know if the EAA/Avemco split has eliminated the old "Get 3 visits from a Tech Counselor" discount from Avemco? You may already know this, but two common ways to qualify as a Tech Counselor are 1) Complete a homebuilt 2) be an Engineer. There are lots of people out there with those qualifications who are not Tech Counselors, simply because they have not submitted the paperwork. Many of them (particularly RV builders) would be just as helpful to you as someone who qualifies AND did the paperwork to become a Tech Counselor. Tech Counselors - Don't be offended - I'm a Tech Counselor too (and an engineer). Kyle Boatright 0-320/Aymar Demuth RV-6 Slider Kennesaw, GA As an EAA Tech Counselor (A&P plus Engineer) for more years than my airplane has been flying, you need to get a second set of eyes to look over your project. I have helped another TC with "visits" on his project and he made "visits" on my project when it was a project. I sorta agree with Kyle on the inspection times. When the skeleton structure is in the jig and you have one skin riveted on. If you have difficulties and have questions, call your local EAA TC and get him to have a look sooner. If the builder is very SURE of what he is doing, a visit after the fuselage comes out of the jig will work. I like to look at the tail when one side of the skin is riveted on but the other side is open ready to rivet. Allows me to see how well the rivets are done and is still early enough that the parts can be saved without purchasing new parts. Next visit is when one side of the wing is skinned and the other side is ready to skin. I like to see when the fuselage comes out of the jig or when systems are being installed. I will come out any time that the builder has questions that cannot be answered by phone or email. I recommend to all builders to get 3 sets of eyes (EAA TC, A&P, and/or another builder that is flying) when the project is complete to look over everything before the first flight. This is 3 sets in addition to the DAR. I was insured with Avemco. When EAA and Avemco parted, so did I. With the EAA discount on Avemco compared to the regular price on the Vanguard program, my rate dropped 21%. Thanks for the lower rate JT. As I understand it, the EAA TC program was started to replace the inspections the FAA did on experimental aircraft while under construction. This helps make our experimental aircraft as safe as they can be while still allowing us the freedom to fly. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,159 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

From:

<warrenkm(at)mindspring.com>

Subject:

Re: God is my copilot - delete if tired of this string

Guys, this isn't the place. Yes, we all know this is a free country, but I might as well be inclined to ramble on about the virtues of vegetarianism, conservatism, liberalism, the plight of Tibet, the strategic and tactical errors made by Adolf Hitler during WWII, the advantages of Ford vs Chevy, why the whole world should think my way and not theirs, the plight of the starving children in somewhere-ibia, Africa. BUT, I signed up for this list for rv and rv related information, so can we please save the religious sermons for a more willing audience. Just because you can open your (virtual) mouth doesn't mean you should about whatever comes to mind. I am thrilled for all of you out there who have met Jesus, or some other savior and just can't keep your britches on to tell us about it, but please try. Kevin ________________________________________________________________________________

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

From:

P M Condon <pcondon(at)mitre.org>

Subject:

Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing

I found the traditional bathroom scale with the multipler ramps from Aircraft Spruce somewhat expensive and hard to use, although hundreds of folks have used them in the past. I have borrowed 2 different sets of these analog scales and find the repeatability and accuracy to be bad. Searching for an alternative, I purchased a Siltec digital scale with a 1000# capacity, digital readout , 15 x 15 inch by 1.75 inch in size for 274 dollars. I directly lowered the aircraft tire onto the unit, and leveled my RV with my digital level and weighed my Rv in about 15 minutes. I have used the ballance beam old style scales and this digital unit is great. I will weigh after painting, so I will use the unit at least twice. www.siltec.balances.com/scales Unit is the WS1000L ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

Schilling Karl <Karl.Schilling(at)ssfhs.org>

Subject:

Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

The link doesn't work. Is there a error in the add? -----Original Message----- From: P M Condon [mailto:pcondon(at)mitre.org] Subject: RV-List: Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing I found the traditional bathroom scale with the multipler ramps from Aircraft Spruce somewhat expensive and hard to use, although hundreds of folks have used them in the past. I have borrowed 2 different sets of these analog scales and find the repeatability and accuracy to be bad. Searching for an alternative, I purchased a Siltec digital scale with a 1000# capacity, digital readout , 15 x 15 inch by 1.75 inch in size for 274 dollars. I directly lowered the aircraft tire onto the unit, and leveled my RV with my digital level and weighed my Rv in about 15 minutes. I have used the ballance beam old style scales and this digital unit is great. I will weigh after painting, so I will use the unit at least twice. www.siltec.balances.com/scales Unit is the WS1000L ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Brian Denk" <akroguy(at)hotmail.com>

Subject:

Re: Tri-gear vs Tailwheel & engine choice?

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

>> > Does the Tri-Gear or Tailwheel configuration offer more flexibility in >engine choice? I would consider the tailwheel vs. nosewheel issue to have little if any effect on engine choice, CG, etc. Pick the gear configuration that YOU personally find appealing. You will have no problem finding an engine to fit. The various shapes of sumps and induction on the Lycomings make for an almost infinite number of possible engine mount interference issues. Pick the gear you like, then choose the right engine configuration (Lyco, Subaru, Mazda, Chevy, whatever) to fit. Don't waste any time worrying about it. Start building. Brian Denk RV8 N94BD O-360A4J, which does NOT fit any RV without a sump changeout, which was done, and it works fine. 296 hrs. ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

"Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org>

Subject:

Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

The correct URL is siltec.balances.com/scales ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schilling Karl" <Karl.Schilling(at)ssfhs.org> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing The link doesn't work. Is there a error in the add? -----Original Message----- From: P M Condon [mailto:pcondon(at)mitre.org] Subject: RV-List: Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing I found the traditional bathroom scale with the multipler ramps from Aircraft Spruce somewhat expensive and hard to use, although hundreds of folks have used them in the past. I have borrowed 2 different sets of these analog scales and find the repeatability and accuracy to be bad. Searching for an alternative, I purchased a Siltec digital scale with a 1000# capacity, digital readout , 15 x 15 inch by 1.75 inch in size for 274 dollars. I directly lowered the aircraft tire onto the unit, and leveled my RV with my digital level and weighed my Rv in about 15 minutes. I have used the ballance beam old style scales and this digital unit is great. I will weigh after painting, so I will use the unit at least twice. www.siltec.balances.com/scales Unit is the WS1000L ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

JusCash(at)aol.com

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

Subject:

Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing

The link should be siltec.balances.com/ Don,t use the WWW Cash In a message dated 8/13/2002 11:44:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Karl.Schilling(at)ssfhs.org writes: > > > The link doesn't work. Is there a error in the add? > > -----Original Message----- > From: P M Condon [mailto:pcondon(at)mitre.org] > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing > > > > I found the traditional bathroom scale with the multipler ramps from > Aircraft Spruce somewhat expensive and hard to use, although hundreds of > folks have used them in the past. I have borrowed 2 different sets of > these analog scales and find the repeatability and accuracy to be bad. > Searching for an alternative, I purchased a Siltec digital scale with a > 1000# capacity, digital readout , 15 x 15 inch by 1.75 inch in size for > 274 dollars. I directly lowered the aircraft tire onto the unit, and > leveled my RV with my digital level and weighed my Rv in about 15 > minutes. I have used the ballance beam old style scales and this digital > unit is great. I will weigh after painting, so I will use the unit at > least twice. www.siltec.balances.com/scales Unit is the WS1000L > ________________________________________________________________________________

From:

Larry Hawkins <lhawkins(at)giant.com>

Subject:

Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing

Date:

Aug 13, 2002

Cost effective, If you can get by with one of these units. How accurate is it if you weigh one wheel at a time? Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, painting. -----Original Message----- From: Cy Galley [mailto:cgalley(at)qcbc.org] Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing The correct URL is siltec.balances.com/scales ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schilling Karl" <Karl.Schilling(at)ssfhs.org> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing The link doesn't work. Is there a error in the add? -----Original Message----- From: P M Condon [mailto:pcondon(at)mitre.org] Subject: RV-List: Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing I found the traditional bathroom scale with the multipler ramps from Aircraft Spruce somewhat expensive and hard to use, although hundreds of folks have used them in the past. I have borrowed 2 different sets of these analog scales and find the repeatability and accuracy to be bad. Searching for an alternative, I purchased a Siltec digital scale with a 1000# capacity, digital readout , 15 x 15 inch by 1.75 inch in size for 274 dollars. I directly lowered the aircraft tire onto the unit, and leveled my RV with my digital level and weighed my Rv in about 15 minutes. I have used the ballance beam old style scales and this digital unit is great. I will weigh after painting, so I will use the unit at least twice. www.siltec.balances.com/scales Unit is the WS1000L RE: RV-List: Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing Cost effective, If you can get by with one of these units. How accurate is it if you weigh one wheel at a time? Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, painting. -----Original Message----- From: Cy Galley [<A HREF"mailto:cgalley(at)qcbc.org">mailto:cgalley(at)qcbc.org] Sent: August 13, 2002 1:57 PM To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing -- RV-List message posted by: Cy Galley cgalley(at)qcbc.org The correct URL is siltec.balances.com/scales ----- Original Message ----- From: Schilling Karl Karl.Schilling(at)ssfhs.org To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing -- RV-List message posted by: Schilling Karl Karl.Schilling(at)ssfhs.org The link doesn't work. Is there a error in the add? -----Original Message----- From: P M Condon [<A HREF"mailto:pcondon(at)mitre.org">mailto:pcondon(at)mitre.org] To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Re: Digital Scale for aircraft weighing -- RV-List message posted by: P M Condon pcondon(at)mitre.org I found the traditional bathroom scale with the multipler ramps from Aircraft Spruce somewhat expensive and hard to use, although hundreds of folks have used them in the past. I have borrowed 2 different sets of these analog scales and find the repeatability and accuracy to be bad. Searching for an alternative, I purchased a Siltec digital scale with a 1000# capacity, digital readout , 15 x 15 inch by 1.75 inch in size for 274 dollars. I directly lowered the aircraft tire onto the unit, and leveled my RV with my digital level and weighed my Rv in about 15 minutes. I have used the ballance beam old style scales and this digital unit is great. I will weigh after painting, so I will use the unit at least twice. www.siltec.balances.com/scales Unit is the WS1000L http://www.matronics.com/subscription Share: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare List: http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv-list http://www.matronics.com/search Archives: http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/rv-list Lists: http://www.matronics.com/emaillists http://www.matronics.com/ From: "Ollie Washburn" <skybolt-aviator(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Tow Bar for 8A
Date: Aug 13, 2002
Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vansairforce and then click photos and then click washburn to see photos of how i modified this tow bar Works great.-- Ollie RV6-A central FL. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 13, 2002
From: <warrenkm(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: God is my copilot - delete if tired of this string
I have no problems with the rules of the list, and I adhere to them. If someone else has a problem with those rules, then it is up to them to make the single click, not I. If my means of conveying that does not conform to the required level of civility and politeness then I apologize. FYI - ......... - Please keep all posts related to RVs at some level. By all means, submit information on experimental technologies, alternative power plants, avionics, aeronautics, and the like. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, Cessna 152 wheel pants, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: RST AP and/or MB
Date: Aug 14, 2002
There aren't many recent opinions about the RST marker becons kits or audio panel w/ marker becon in the archives. Are they still a good deal? I was considering their marker becon kit. I don't think I have the need for a whole audio panel.... - Larry Bowen RV-8 finish/panel/fwf/fiberglass/whatever Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Todd Houg <thoug(at)attglobal.net>
Subject: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
Date: Aug 13, 2002
I recently installed the Trutrak Digitrak auto pilot servo in the wing of my unfinished RV-9A. I've documented the installation on my web site for those that may be interested. You can find it at http://www.toddhoug.com - select the "Trutrak Auto Pilot" section from the menu on the left. Also, I've included below a comparison of the Digitrak vs. Navaid basic theory of operation which I originally posted to the RV-9A list. I'm not sure if it was cross posted to the big RV list or not. Forgive me if you've already seen it. I was originally planning on installing a Navaid autopilot because it was the ONLY option available for under $2000. When the Trutrak line came out I was intrigued and impressed, but they were still close to $3000. When the Digitrak came out it really peaked my interest. I first saw it at the Minnesota RV forum and talked with Jim Younkin there as well as listened to his presentation. I was impressed with the unit and his credentials when it comes to autopilot design. If your an AOPA subscriber, there was a short biography on him on the last page of the latest AOPA Pilot magazine. By the time Oshkosh came around, I had decided that the Digitrak was the right autopilot for me an I went ahead and purchased the unit. Actually I paid 2/3's of the cost and just got the servo and installation kit. For $1000 I locked in the $1495 price and within a week from Oshkosh had the servo and installation hardware in hand. I can then pay the additional $495 when I'm ready for the control unit. The fundamental difference between the Navaid and the Digitrak is that the Navaid tracks based on cross track error (provided by NAV or GPS) and the Digitrak tracks based on heading (provided by GPS or internal magnetometer). Thus the Navaid makes it's corrections based on a track error signal provided by a NAV, panel mount GPS or handheld GPS using the smartcoupler to convert the GPS data stream to a cross track error signal. The Digitrak uses the raw GPS coordinate information and/or internal magnetometer to follow a selected heading. They both also use gyroscopic information to detect turn rates which are used to make immediate corrections for errors introduced by turbulence and just fine tuning the course. The Navaid uses a mechanical gyro with limited lifetime and the Digitrak uses solid state rate gyros which should last forever (theoretically). The Digitrak doesn't have a lot of bells and whistles, but it's elegant simplicity is a feature in itself! It does not have the visible turn coordinator functionality the Navaid does. It also does not track to/from a waypoint as the Navaid does in its TK (track mode). However it does fly a GPS slaved heading. You set the heading, and it flys that GPS course over the ground referencing the GPS coordinates and it's internal digital rate gyros, regardless of winds. The difference is mostly in semantics. With the Navaid you program your waypoints/route in your GPS, fly a shallow intercept to the track until it locks on then it will fly you to the waypoint. With the Trutrak, you program it with the GPS heading to your waypoint and it flys you there. The Digitrak also has a magnetic course mode that it relies on when the GPS signal is not available. I would some what equate this to the wing leveler (WL) mode of the Navaid, but technically they are very different. In the wing leveler mode, the Navaid uses it's mechanical gyro to detect the turn rate and corrects by moving the ailerons to prevent the aircraft from turning and thus keep the wings level. It has no clue about heading, ground track, wind correction or anything else; it just keeps the turn coordinator from indicating a turn. In this mode, the Navaid can (and does) drift off course and off track which requires occasional heading corrections from the pilot. On the other hand, the Digitrak uses it's internal magnetometer (when GPS information is unavailable) in conjunction with it's solid state gyros to follow a consistent magnetic heading. In this mode it tries to fly a course that maintains the same magnetic heading. Thus, the Digitrack should not drift off your heading like the Navaid, but may drift off your desired track due to wind. As a side note, the Digitrak has an interesting way of self calibrating it's internal magnetometer. You fly to an area clear of obstructions and controlled airspace and then engage the autopilot on a 0 degree GPS heading. Using the buttons on the control unit go into setup mode and activate the calibration. It then fly the airplane on the 0 degree course and calibrates it's magnetometer to the GPS course. It then turns on it's own to 90 degrees and calibrates on that course. It does the same for each of 180 and 270 degrees, flying a square pattern and calibrating on each 90 degree heading increment. Pretty ingenious! IMO, the advantages of the Digitrack are: - Solid state - no mechanical gyros to fail. - Servo mounting hardware and pushrod included (model specific). - Immedeately available - no long waits as some have experienced with Navaid. - Simple easy to use interface - just set the heading and you fly that direction! - Smaller, lighter and less panel space. - Programmable servo torque and activity levels. Navaid advantages: - Turn coordinator and ball. - Follows a GPS route (At least sometimes from what I hear). - Can be used with NAV radio also. Well, that's enough for now. Forgive me if I've misused the terms course, heading and track. The correct usage can be elusive at times. Todd Houg N194TH - reserved Fuselage assembly ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RST AP and/or MB
Date: Aug 14, 2002
----Original Message Follows---- From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> Subject: RV-List: RST AP and/or MB Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:17:50 -0400 There aren't many recent opinions about the RST marker becons kits or audio panel w/ marker becon in the archives. Are they still a good deal? I was considering their marker becon kit. I don't think I have the need for a whole audio panel.... - Larry Bowen RV-8 finish/panel/fwf/fiberglass/whatever Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com I have one of Jim's marker becons and a panel mount intercom that they do not market any more installed and operational in my RV-6 since it was built. Would I go that route again? Depends on how much money and time I have. If I have the time, yes I would. Time not available, I would find the money to buy prebuilt. I know how to work with electronics so building stuff like this is very easy for me. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,159 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne R. Couture" <commando@cox-internet.com>
Subject: Re: RST AP and/or MB
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Just got the new and improved audio panel with MB from RST Saturday and have almost completed the main audio board. I haven't started the MB yet. The kit looks very nice and the instructions are to the point and complete. Of course I don't know how well it's going to work yet but I will make this one caution. There are a lot of parts in a very small board which makes for very small soldering joints. You need to have good eyes, a magnifying glass and a small tipped soldering pencil. I'll post to the list when I complete the assembly. PS out of town for a few days Wayne 8A wings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> Subject: RV-List: RST AP and/or MB > > There aren't many recent opinions about the RST marker becons kits or > audio panel w/ marker becon in the archives. Are they still a good > deal? > > I was considering their marker becon kit. I don't think I have the need > for a whole audio panel.... > > - > Larry Bowen > RV-8 finish/panel/fwf/fiberglass/whatever > Larry(at)BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tri-gear vs Tailwheel & engine choice?
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Vincent, I knew there would be some differences. I'm not sure what engine I will use. Lycoming, Continental, Subaru, etc. But looking at the engine/nose wheel mounting it seems the tailwheel offers more flexibility in packaging. I am an engine designer by profession so choicenecessarilycomplicated!TheLycoming is a excellent and proven package but then it isan EXPERIMENTAL plane!We just made the choice RV-7 vs. RV-8 at Oshkosh. Now the 8 vs 8A choice. http://graphics.hotmail.com/emwink.gif" width=12> Thanks for your reply. ERic-- ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Vincent Welch" <WELCHVINCENT(at)HOTMAIL.COM> To: ericparlow(at)hotmail.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Tri-gear vs Tailwheel engine choice? Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:15:30 -0400 Eric, engine choice ie. IO 360-A1A vs IO 360-C1C does make a difference if you compare an 8 to an 8A. The following is from my post of a few weeks ago: Just thought I'd post the resolution of my problems for other 8A builders. When I ordered my engine I simply (some might say stupidly) said that I needed an IO 360 for a RV-8A. It seems that the "A" series sumps are in short supply at this time. So the builder took a sump that was on an IO 360-C1C which has a rear entrance and blocked it off and machined a front entrance to the sump. This sump is physically larger than the "A" series. If I were building a RV-8 it probably would have been ok. However, the nose gear support braces that run from the dynafocal ring on the 8A interfere with the sump. What I should have done was specified an IO 360-A1A when ordering the engine. After spending two days on the phone, the best price I could find for a used sump and the four intake tubes is $1200. If I return the sump and intake tubes currently on my engine to the builder he will "generously" refund $500! So, this little miscommunication is going to cost me $700 and more irration that you can imagine. Hopefully, this note will help future 8A builders. Vince Welch Wiser but poorer From: "Eric Parlow" <ERICPARLOW(at)HOTMAIL.COM> Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Tri-gear vs Tailwheel engine choice? Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:23:11 +0000 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2002
From: sjhdcl(at)kingston.net
Subject: Re: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
All the hardware you mention. Is it included as well? Steve RV7A Quoting Todd Houg : > > I recently installed the Trutrak Digitrak auto pilot servo in the wing of my > unfinished RV-9A. I've documented the installation on my web site for those > that may be interested. You can find it at http://www.toddhoug.com - select > the "Trutrak Auto Pilot" section from the menu on the left. > > Also, I've included below a comparison of the Digitrak vs. Navaid basic > theory of operation which I originally posted to the RV-9A list. I'm not sure > if it was cross posted to the big RV list or not. Forgive me if you've > already seen it. > > > I was originally planning on installing a Navaid autopilot because it was > the ONLY option available for under $2000. When the Trutrak line came out I > was intrigued and impressed, but they were still close to $3000. When the > Digitrak came out it really peaked my interest. I first saw it at the > Minnesota RV forum and talked with Jim Younkin there as well as listened to > his presentation. I was impressed with the unit and his credentials when it > comes to autopilot design. If your an AOPA subscriber, there was a short > biography on him on the last page of the latest AOPA Pilot magazine. > > By the time Oshkosh came around, I had decided that the Digitrak was the > right autopilot for me an I went ahead and purchased the unit. Actually I > paid 2/3's of the cost and just got the servo and installation kit. For > $1000 I locked in the $1495 price and within a week from Oshkosh had the > servo and installation hardware in hand. I can then pay the additional $495 > when I'm ready for the control unit. > > The fundamental difference between the Navaid and the Digitrak is that the > Navaid tracks based on cross track error (provided by NAV or GPS) and the > Digitrak tracks based on heading (provided by GPS or internal > magnetometer). > Thus the Navaid makes it's corrections based on a track error signal > provided by a NAV, panel mount GPS or handheld GPS using the smartcoupler > to > convert the GPS data stream to a cross track error signal. The Digitrak > uses > the raw GPS coordinate information and/or internal magnetometer to follow a > selected heading. They both also use gyroscopic information to detect turn > rates which are used to make immediate corrections for errors introduced by > turbulence and just fine tuning the course. The Navaid uses a mechanical > gyro with limited lifetime and the Digitrak uses solid state rate gyros > which should last forever (theoretically). > > The Digitrak doesn't have a lot of bells and whistles, but > it's elegant simplicity is a feature in itself! It does not have the > visible > turn coordinator functionality the Navaid does. It also does not track > to/from a waypoint as the Navaid does in its TK (track mode). However it > does fly a GPS slaved heading. You set the heading, and it flys that GPS > course over the ground referencing the GPS coordinates and it's internal > digital rate gyros, regardless of winds. The difference is mostly in > semantics. With the Navaid you program your waypoints/route in your GPS, > fly > a shallow intercept to the track until it locks on then it will fly you to > the waypoint. With the Trutrak, you program it with the GPS heading to your > waypoint and it flys you there. > > The Digitrak also has a magnetic course mode that it relies on when the GPS > signal is not available. I would some what equate this to the wing leveler > (WL) mode of the Navaid, but technically they are very different. In the > wing leveler mode, the Navaid uses it's mechanical gyro to detect the turn > rate and corrects by moving the ailerons to prevent the aircraft from > turning and thus keep the wings level. It has no clue about heading, ground > track, wind correction or anything else; it just keeps the turn coordinator > from indicating a turn. In this mode, the Navaid can (and does) drift off > course and off track which requires occasional heading corrections from the > pilot. On the other hand, the Digitrak uses it's internal magnetometer > (when > GPS information is unavailable) in conjunction with it's solid state gyros > to follow a consistent magnetic heading. In this mode it tries to fly a > course that maintains the same magnetic heading. Thus, the Digitrack should > not drift off your heading like the Navaid, but may drift off your desired > track due to wind. > > As a side note, the Digitrak has an interesting way of self calibrating > it's internal magnetometer. You fly to an area clear of obstructions and > controlled airspace and then engage the autopilot on a 0 degree GPS > heading. > Using the buttons on the control unit go into setup mode and activate the > calibration. It then fly the airplane on the 0 degree course and calibrates > it's magnetometer to the GPS course. It then turns on it's own to 90 > degrees > and calibrates on that course. It does the same for each of 180 and 270 > degrees, flying a square pattern and calibrating on each 90 degree heading > increment. Pretty ingenious! > > IMO, the advantages of the Digitrack are: > - Solid state - no mechanical gyros to fail. > - Servo mounting hardware and pushrod included (model specific). > - Immedeately available - no long waits as some have experienced with > Navaid. > - Simple easy to use interface - just set the heading and you fly that > direction! > - Smaller, lighter and less panel space. > - Programmable servo torque and activity levels. > > Navaid advantages: > - Turn coordinator and ball. > - Follows a GPS route (At least sometimes from what I hear). > - Can be used with NAV radio also. > > Well, that's enough for now. Forgive me if I've misused the terms course, > heading and track. The correct usage can be elusive at times. > > Todd Houg > N194TH - reserved > Fuselage assembly > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2002
From: sjhdcl(at)kingston.net
Subject: New radio and transponder for sale
For sale: 1. ICOM IC-A200 Comm radio. Brand new purchased at Oshkosh 2002. http://www.pacific-coast-avionics.com/detail.asp?id=4020 $779.00 2. Garmin GTX320A Transponder. Brand new purchased at Oshkosh 2002 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catmain.php?dest=cathome.php $1150 These items are 2 weeks old. I will provide the receipts for warranty purposes. Both purchased around July 25th. Will sell them for $1929. This would be a great deal for a fellow Canadian to They have never been opened and I can provide digital photos upon request. Steve Hurlbut sjhdcl(at)kingston.net 613-542-9556 RV7A http://members.kingston.net/sjhdcl/rv7a.htm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
vansairforce(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject: RV8 Wings
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Could somebody either fax me or email me pages 5 thru 8 of section 7(wings) RV8 construction manual? My pages have ripped out and disapeared. Thanks a lot. Fax is 859-252-2890. algrajek(at)msn.com RV8 Wings ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2002
From: P M Condon <pcondon(at)mitre.org>
Subject: Re: More on Digital Scale
siltec.balances.com/scales is the proper URL website for the company. My mistake when I added the WWW. the proper URL is siltec.balances.com/scales WITHOUT the www. Anyway, there is free shipping and it took 3 day to get to me---not bad. The company e-mailed me the UPS tracker slip within 2 hours of the phone order. As far as weighing with one scale, I made a dummy or model scale that was the same size as the scale out of plywood and 2x2 and drywall screws-this took about 10 minutes. I placed BOTH the dummy scale and the Siltec scale under the tires, and used the real bathroom scale from my house for the rear tailwheel (70 pounds). With the help of my wing jacks, I measured and swapped the scale and the dummy 3 or 4 times and got the same reading each time on each wheel. I leveled the aircraft with the digital level each time, using tire pressure to nail the level each time (letting air out) to read 0.0 degrees on the digital level. (These digital levels are great. 99 bucks at Home Depo.) (These digital levels are so accurate that I experimented with measuring the weight of the aircraft with 30 lbs. of air in one tire, let 5 lbs. of air out of the tire and the digital scale indicated 5 lbs. less!!!! BTW, I also use left hand threads on all my screws on the airplane so the screws vibrate tight. Right hand threads vibrate loose !) Not ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2002
From: Aircraft Technical Book Company <winterland(at)rkymtnhi.com>
Subject: Re: elt antenna
> Andy, > > Which antenna are you switching to for your ELT? > Before I had a simple 45 degree dog leg antenna from AKC mounted to the belly. My original plan was to bend a couple of "z" turns in it and mount it in th cabin to a bracket on the rear side panel. But while I was doing that, my hangarmate stepped up and gave me a different AKC antenna. It is about 18" long and has a spiral twist (perhaps 8 turns) about 2/3rds the way up. Sorry, but that's all I know to tell you about it. Andy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill VonDane" <n8wv(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV8 Wings
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Here you go Al... -Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> Subject: RV-List: RV8 Wings Could somebody either fax me or email me pages 5 thru 8 of section 7(wings) RV8 construction manual? My pages have ripped out and disapeared. Thanks a lot. Fax is 859-252-2890. algrajek(at)msn.com RV8 Wings ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "GEORGE INMAN" <ghinman(at)attcanada.ca>
Subject: fiber tip washers
Date: Aug 14, 2002
For those who are putting aluminum washers on the back of the rivet holes on fiber glass tips Use "goop" to glue them on.This stuff is available at hardware and auto parts stores. It takes a day to set but is quite strong.It is useful for many gluing jobs. I am building an RV-8 and have finished the empanage. GEORGE H. INMAN ghinman(at)attcanada.ca CELL 204 799 7062 HOME 204 287 8334 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: More on Digital Scale
Date: Aug 14, 2002
I hope that you tried weighing the tail while the plane was in flying attitude. Bathroom scales are notoriously poor for accuracy. An inaccurate tail weight multiplied by the longer tail arm really messes up your center of gravity computations. Just a one pound error with a 100 inch arm for the tail is much worse than 1 pound error at a main that might only have a 10 or 20 inch arm. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "P M Condon" <pcondon(at)mitre.org> Subject: RV-List: Re: More on Digital Scale siltec.balances.com/scales is the proper URL website for the company. My mistake when I added the WWW. the proper URL is siltec.balances.com/scales WITHOUT the www. Anyway, there is free shipping and it took 3 day to get to me---not bad. The company e-mailed me the UPS tracker slip within 2 hours of the phone order. As far as weighing with one scale, I made a dummy or model scale that was the same size as the scale out of plywood and 2x2 and drywall screws-this took about 10 minutes. I placed BOTH the dummy scale and the Siltec scale under the tires, and used the real bathroom scale from my house for the rear tailwheel (70 pounds). With the help of my wing jacks, I measured and swapped the scale and the dummy 3 or 4 times and got the same reading each time on each wheel. I leveled the aircraft with the digital level each time, using tire pressure to nail the level each time (letting air out) to read 0.0 degrees on the digital level. (These digital levels are great. 99 bucks at Home Depo.) (These digital levels are so accurate that I experimented with measuring the weight of the aircraft with 30 lbs. of air in one tire, let 5 lbs. of air out of the tire and the digital scale indicated 5 lbs. less!!!! BTW, I also use left hand threads on all my screws on the airplane so the screws vibrate tight. Right hand threads vibrate loose !) Not ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: elt antenna
Date: Aug 14, 2002
"Before I had a simple 45 degree dog leg antenna from AKC" The AKC that I know is the American Kennel Club which fits with a "dog-leg" antenna. Does it have its papers? Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aircraft Technical Book Company" <winterland(at)rkymtnhi.com> Subject: RV-List: Re: elt antenna > Andy, > > Which antenna are you switching to for your ELT? > Before I had a simple 45 degree dog leg antenna from AKC mounted to the belly. My original plan was to bend a couple of "z" turns in it and mount it in th cabin to a bracket on the rear side panel. But while I was doing that, my hangarmate stepped up and gave me a different AKC antenna. It is about 18" long and has a spiral twist (perhaps 8 turns) about 2/3rds the way up. Sorry, but that's all I know to tell you about it. Andy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: tchoug <tchoug(at)micron.com>
Subject: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid compa
rison
Date: Aug 14, 2002
For the RV-9 The servo installation kit includes: - Servo - Servo mount bracket that replaces one of the original bellcrank mount brackets - Servo mount angle bracket that bolts to the opposite bellcrank bracket - Bellcrank plate that bolts to the bellcrank and provides a mount point for the servo pushrod - Servo pushrod with rod end bearings and lock nuts - Spacers to mount the bellcrank bracket and align the servo pushrod with the servo arm. - 15 pin d-sub and 9 pin d-sub connectors for wiring connections to servo and control unit - Engineering drawings and installtion/operation instructions. What's not included: - Servo wire, they recommend the Mac trim servo cable that is used for electric trim. - The nuts and bolts to put it all together. They don't have any call outs either, so it took a while to figure out what bolt lengths were required. There's a detailed list of what I required on my website. I believe the RV-7 has the same style bellcrank, so the mount should be very similar. Todd Houg http://www.toddhoug.com -----Original Message----- From: sjhdcl(at)kingston.net [mailto:sjhdcl(at)kingston.net] Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison All the hardware you mention. Is it included as well? Steve RV7A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Imfairings(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Subject: Re: Empennage fairing
Don Not as long as the fairing fits against the skin. Two or three screws in the front and two top and bottom on each side in the rear should be enough. Bob Fairings-Etc ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2002
From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski(at)qcpi.com>
Subject: cockpit color
It is time to start thinking of cockpit color while every thing is accessible, and am having a hard time. Right now I might just go with the same color as the powder coated parts but I dont think that would look to good on a white with green trim airplane. Any suggestions? Scott Bilinski Eng dept 8220 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2002
From: David Roseblade <davidagr(at)emirates.net.ae>
Subject: Wiring diagrams
Listers, Does anyone have any links to some shareware for the production of wiring diagrams or even some samples for a RV6A non-IFR? Regards Dvid Roseblade RV6A- Finishing kit Dubai, UAE ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Jory" <rickjory(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: cockpit color
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Personal taste, but I'll tell you one thing to consider. I tried to get a "flat" paint, and mine came out with too much gloss. Also, I purchased my interior fabric (side walls) and seats FIRST, and then matched the exact shade of interior paint to go with these (it is easier to match paint to fabric than the other way around). If you are hyper anal, not meant to be a negative comment, just a descriptive term), you might even want to get the seat belts/harnesses, in that these offer even fewer selections, unless you go with something like "basic black", which goes with anything. Good luck. Rick Jory > > It is time to start thinking of cockpit color while every thing is > accessible, and am having a hard time. Right now I might just go with the > same color as the powder coated parts but I dont think that would look to > good on a white with green trim airplane. Any suggestions? > > > Scott Bilinski > Eng dept 8220 > Phone (858) 657-2536 > Pager (858) 502-5190 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Jory" <rickjory(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Wiring diagrams
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Not sure what you are asking, but Van's sells a wiring diagram for $2.50 I believe. This is basic, basic . . . but it is a start. Rick Jory ----- Original Message ----- From: David Roseblade <davidagr(at)emirates.net.ae> Subject: RV-List: Wiring diagrams > > Listers, > > Does anyone have any links to some shareware for the production of wiring > diagrams or even some samples for a RV6A non-IFR? > > Regards > > Dvid Roseblade > RV6A- Finishing kit > Dubai, UAE > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2002
From: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid compa
rison Todd, Did you buy to MAC servo wire from vans or use something else. What gage is the MAC cable? --- tchoug wrote: > > > For the RV-9 The servo installation kit includes: > - Servo > - Servo mount bracket that replaces one of the > original bellcrank mount > brackets > - Servo mount angle bracket that bolts to the > opposite bellcrank bracket > - Bellcrank plate that bolts to the bellcrank and > provides a mount point for > the servo pushrod > - Servo pushrod with rod end bearings and lock nuts > - Spacers to mount the bellcrank bracket and align > the servo pushrod with > the servo arm. > - 15 pin d-sub and 9 pin d-sub connectors for wiring > connections to servo > and control unit > - Engineering drawings and installtion/operation > instructions. > > What's not included: > - Servo wire, they recommend the Mac trim servo > cable that is used for > electric trim. > - The nuts and bolts to put it all together. They > don't have any call outs > either, so it took a while to figure out what bolt > lengths were required. > There's a detailed list of what I required on my > website. > > I believe the RV-7 has the same style bellcrank, so > the mount should be very > similar. > > Todd Houg > http://www.toddhoug.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: sjhdcl(at)kingston.net > [mailto:sjhdcl(at)kingston.net] > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo > installation and Navaid > comparison > > > > All the hardware you mention. Is it included as > well? > > Steve > RV7A > > > > Contributions of > any other form > > latest messages. > other List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/search > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2002
From: P M Condon <pcondon(at)mitre.org>
Subject: Re: More on Digital Scales ( correct tail wheel weight is Important)
You are right about possible error and the amount of error multipled by a lever arm of 100 inches or whatever. The scales from spruce were really bad, If they were mine, I would have trashed them. I calibrated my bathroom scale with a known weight, and validated the known weight on 2 or 3 scaled from the local ACME food store, produce section and deli meat counter scale. Basically, I got lwo large sacks of potatoes, weighed them on the different scales at ACME, then weighed on my scale. I was within 2.5 ozs. I also verified my digital scale with the same method. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// re: Re: More on Digital Scale From: Cy Galley (cgalley(at)qcbc.org) Date: Wed Aug 14 - 9:33 AM I hope that you tried weighing the tail while the plane was in flying attitude. Bathroom scales are notoriously poor for accuracy. An inaccurate tail weight multiplied by the longer tail arm really messes up your center of gravity computations. Just a one pound error with a 100 inch arm for the tail is much worse than 1 pound error at a main that might only have a 10 or 20 inch arm. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Andrews" <rv8apilot(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Todd, Thanks for the review. I had a fellow builder ask me to compare these just yesterday. I can just forward your note on to him. I do have one question however. If you have several waypoints programmed into your GPS, such as the kind of flight planning I have to do to chart around the shark infested MOAs and TFRs that surround us in Texas ( I fly through/around nine on my way to the coast alone ). Will the Trutrak system follow this course or will I need to reprogram it to a new heading when I pass over each waypoint? Many thanks, - Jim Andrews N89JA RV-8A ( in the paint shop...forever??? ) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ABAYMAN(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Subject: Re: cockpit color
what ever color you go with, make sure you can buy it in a spraycan for quick touch ups. my interior is a custom paint, and scratches, chips, etc. are going to be very time consuming to fix. its one of those , if i were to build another airplane deals. scott tampa flying, not finished, but flying ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer(at)mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
Date: Aug 14, 2002
>The Navaid uses a mechanical >gyro with limited lifetime and the Digitrak uses solid state rate gyros >which should last forever (theoretically). Theoretically, it's just the opposite, or so they told me in school. (the following is just trivia and has no practical relevance to the discussion). The mechanical gyros in the Navaid could theoretically still be operable 100 years from now. Even if the bearings, etc. wear out, parts could be replaced or made from scratch. Solid state devices, on the other hand, have a design life of around 100 years. The electrons slowly migrate around within the device over time until it no longer functions. So, there isn't much chance that a DVD player tucked away in the attic will be any interest to my great-grandchildren. On the other hand, my hundred year old mechanical gramophone stills work fine. Curt ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ABAYMAN(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Subject: Re: matronics zip files
dear listers i have never received any zipped files from the list server, but now i have received 2. 1-named datamap, the other named accesskey. i'm scared to open them as they might be a giant grasshopper coming to eat my lunch. have you guys had the same mail? scott tampa jonesing for a rv flight, come on saturday ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2002
From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson(at)mcleodusa.net>
Subject: Re: Wiring diagrams
Look in the construction manual from Van;s and there is one there that is pretty basic but also complete enough to use. You can also customize it to suit. Tony Bingelis's books also contain some in them... Phil David Roseblade wrote: > > Listers, > > Does anyone have any links to some shareware for the production of wiring > diagrams or even some samples for a RV6A non-IFR? > > Regards > > Dvid Roseblade > RV6A- Finishing kit > Dubai, UAE > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com>
Subject: cockpit color
Date: Aug 14, 2002
My cockpit is Marhyde Grey primer. No topcoat. Really easy to touch up. -- Scott VanArtsdalen, MCSE, CCNA Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116 -----Original Message----- From: ABAYMAN(at)aol.com [mailto:ABAYMAN(at)aol.com] Subject: Re: RV-List: cockpit color what ever color you go with, make sure you can buy it in a spraycan for quick touch ups. my interior is a custom paint, and scratches, chips, etc. are going to be very time consuming to fix. its one of those , if i were to build another airplane deals. scott tampa flying, not finished, but flying ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com>
"'ABAYMAN(at)aol.com'"(at)matronics.com
Subject: matronics zip files
Date: Aug 14, 2002
You shouldn't receive ANY attachments from Matt's listserver. I'd dump them and then make sure your anti-virus software is up to date. -- Scott VanArtsdalen, MCSE, CCNA Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116 -----Original Message----- From: ABAYMAN(at)aol.com [mailto:ABAYMAN(at)aol.com] Subject: Re: RV-List: matronics zip files dear listers i have never received any zipped files from the list server, but now i have received 2. 1-named datamap, the other named accesskey. i'm scared to open them as they might be a giant grasshopper coming to eat my lunch. have you guys had the same mail? scott tampa jonesing for a rv flight, come on saturday ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wheeler North <wnorth(at)sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Subject: RST Panel
Date: Aug 14, 2002
I have both in my plane, and both work very well. Wouldn't recommend for the timid at electronics, but they work very well. I would get yourself a high quality iron with .3mm tip, as the borad is pretty small. Also one of those holder bases with alligator clips and a plastic magnifing glass. Tuning the MB was a blast as I got to go chase down some transmitters and then got all the authorities all upset as I snuck up to their antennas. "Whaacha doing dere Boy???" "Just trying to tune dis 'ere radio Mr. Occifer, sir yes sir... honest it ain' gonna blow nuting up" The only gripe is the intercom audio could be a little louder. Its not a problem with anr's but I think the bias resistor on the output amp could be adjusted some, or the input 15k resistor to the audio amp could be lower. w ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
Date: Aug 14, 2002
If you have the GPSS option for the TruTrak and your GPS outputs ARINC 429 (some number, I forget...), then it will work as you propose. There are no portable GPSs that have the ARINC output. I was hoping to couple a Garmin 196 to the TruTrak, but was told by the TruTrak man himself it wouldn't work. I'll have to manually dial in the new heading at the beginning of each leg. Oh well..... - Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Andrews > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:49 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and > Navaid comparison > > > > Todd, > > Thanks for the review. I had a fellow builder ask me to > compare these just yesterday. I can just forward your note on to him. > > I do have one question however. If you have several > waypoints programmed into your GPS, such as the kind of > flight planning I have to do to chart around the shark > infested MOAs and TFRs that surround us in Texas ( I fly > through/around nine on my way to the coast alone ). Will the > Trutrak system follow this course or will I need to reprogram > it to a new heading when I pass over each waypoint? > > Many thanks, > > - Jim Andrews > N89JA > RV-8A ( in the paint shop...forever??? ) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: tchoug <tchoug(at)micron.com>
Subject: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid compa
rison
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Jim, I'm glad you found the information useful. The Trutrak will not follow the GPS route because it does not use cross track error information. It seems to me that it would just be a matter of software to use this infromation. Then it would need another mode to track cross track error instead of GPS ground track. It would be a nice feature if it did! With the Trutrak, you would need to increment the heading value on the Digitrak display to your new course. You can do this by either pushing the left or right heading adjust button once for each degree of increment/decrement (if you course adjustment is small enough), or holding the left or right button for one second which puts the airplane into a standard rate turn. When your on your desired heading just tap the opposite button to roll out and track the new heading. As I understand it, the Navaid is capable of doing what your asking even though it doesn't even realize it! As long as your GPS recognizes the waypoint crossing and starts sending out cross track error data based on the new course, the Navaid tries to adjust to the new error information. The Navaid doesn't really know that you've passed your waypoint or your course has changed, it just suddenly sees an error from the track the GPS says it should be flying and tries to adjust. I know some people have had succes with this and others have had difficulty getting thiers to track the new course. I would imagine that it's highly dependent on how much your course changes over the waypoint. Perhaps a Navaid user could comment on how well this works. Todd Houg http://www.toddhoug.com Bought an Engine! -----Original Message----- From: Jim Andrews [mailto:rv8apilot(at)hotmail.com] Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison Todd, Thanks for the review. I had a fellow builder ask me to compare these just yesterday. I can just forward your note on to him. I do have one question however. If you have several waypoints programmed into your GPS, such as the kind of flight planning I have to do to chart around the shark infested MOAs and TFRs that surround us in Texas ( I fly through/around nine on my way to the coast alone ). Will the Trutrak system follow this course or will I need to reprogram it to a new heading when I pass over each waypoint? Many thanks, - Jim Andrews N89JA RV-8A ( in the paint shop...forever??? ) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: tchoug <tchoug(at)micron.com>
Subject: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid compa
rison
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Good point Larry, the GPS steering option is available for the DigiFlight series if your using a panel mount with ARINC 429 output. My comments were all in reference to the Digitrack which does not have that option (at least today!) Todd Houg -----Original Message----- From: Larry Bowen [mailto:Larry(at)bowenaero.com] Subject: RE: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison If you have the GPSS option for the TruTrak and your GPS outputs ARINC 429 (some number, I forget...), then it will work as you propose. There are no portable GPSs that have the ARINC output. I was hoping to couple a Garmin 196 to the TruTrak, but was told by the TruTrak man himself it wouldn't work. I'll have to manually dial in the new heading at the beginning of each leg. Oh well..... - Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Andrews > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:49 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and > Navaid comparison > > > > Todd, > > Thanks for the review. I had a fellow builder ask me to > compare these just yesterday. I can just forward your note on to him. > > I do have one question however. If you have several > waypoints programmed into your GPS, such as the kind of > flight planning I have to do to chart around the shark > infested MOAs and TFRs that surround us in Texas ( I fly > through/around nine on my way to the coast alone ). Will the > Trutrak system follow this course or will I need to reprogram > it to a new heading when I pass over each waypoint? > > Many thanks, > > - Jim Andrews > N89JA > RV-8A ( in the paint shop...forever??? ) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: tchoug <tchoug(at)micron.com>
Subject: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid compa
rison
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Ross, I did not yet purchase the cable, but I believe the MAC cable is a 5 conductor 26 gauge cable (at least according to the website). Trutrak indicates that the servos draw less than 2 amps each. I don't have my wire gauge current chart handy, but I believe this is within the limits of a 26 gauge wire. Todd Houg N194TH - reserved -----Original Message----- From: Ross Schlotthauer [mailto:rdschlotthauer(at)yahoo.com] Subject: RE: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid compa rison Todd, Did you buy to MAC servo wire from vans or use something else. What gage is the MAC cable? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Kitz" <JKITZ1(at)columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: cockpit color
Date: Aug 14, 2002
How about the colors of the great Ohio State Buckeyes??? White with scarlet and gray. John Kitz N721JK Ohio > > It is time to start thinking of cockpit color while every thing is > accessible, and am having a hard time. Right now I might just go with the > same color as the powder coated parts but I dont think that would look to > good on a white with green trim airplane. Any suggestions? > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KBoatri144(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Subject: Re: cockpit color
In a message dated 8/14/02 1:01:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bilinski(at)qcpi.com writes: << It is time to start thinking of cockpit color while every thing is accessible, and am having a hard time. Right now I might just go with the same color as the powder coated parts but I dont think that would look to good on a white with green trim airplane. Any suggestions? Scott Bilinski >> Scott, The suggestions about finding a color that you can match out of a rattle can is dead on. You'll be much happier long term with something you can touch up without a major effort. My interior paint, including the canopy rails and frame, is off-white. I get reflections (not bothersome, but I do notice them) off of the canopy rail decks and some other structure that sits high in the cockpit and gets direct sunlight. If I built another RV, I'd use a darker color with a flattener, at least on surfaces that would be obvious sources for reflections. Kyle Boatright 0-320/Aymar Demuth RV-6 Slider Kennesaw, GA http://www.angelfire.com/my/rv6 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cole, Ed" <Ed_Cole(at)maximhq.com>
Subject: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid compa
rison
Date: Aug 14, 2002
I thought you guy's were building these airplanes to fly...... not ride along in !!! ; ) Ed Cole RV6A N2169D Flying RV6A N648RV Finishing > -----Original Message----- > From: Curt Reimer [SMTP:cgreimer(at)mb.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:54 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid > comparison > > > >The Navaid uses a mechanical > >gyro with limited lifetime and the Digitrak uses solid state rate gyros > >which should last forever (theoretically). > > Theoretically, it's just the opposite, or so they told me in school. > > (the following is just trivia and has no practical relevance to the > discussion). > > The mechanical gyros in the Navaid could theoretically still be operable > 100 > years from now. Even if the bearings, etc. wear out, parts could be > replaced > or made from scratch. > > Solid state devices, on the other hand, have a design life of around 100 > years. The electrons slowly migrate around within the device over time > until > it no longer functions. > > So, there isn't much chance that a DVD player tucked away in the attic > will > be any interest to my great-grandchildren. On the other hand, my hundred > year old mechanical gramophone stills work fine. > > Curt > > > > > Maxim Home Page: http://www.maxim-ic.com Products Page: http://www.maxim-ic.com/MaximProducts/products.htm New Products: http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/new_products.cfm Datasheets: http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/l_datasheet3.cfm The information contained in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or reproduction is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2002
From: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid compa
rison Ed, Certain activities at altitudes of 5280 ft require assistance from an autopilot.... Like reading a map! --- "Cole, Ed" wrote: > > > I thought you guy's were building these airplanes to > fly...... not ride > along in !!! ; ) > > Ed Cole > RV6A N2169D Flying > RV6A N648RV Finishing > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Curt Reimer > [SMTP:cgreimer(at)mb.sympatico.ca] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:54 PM > > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak > servo installation and Navaid > > comparison > > > > > > > >The Navaid uses a mechanical > > >gyro with limited lifetime and the Digitrak uses > solid state rate gyros > > >which should last forever (theoretically). > > > > Theoretically, it's just the opposite, or so they > told me in school. > > > > (the following is just trivia and has no practical > relevance to the > > discussion). > > > > The mechanical gyros in the Navaid could > theoretically still be operable > > 100 > > years from now. Even if the bearings, etc. wear > out, parts could be > > replaced > > or made from scratch. > > > > Solid state devices, on the other hand, have a > design life of around 100 > > years. The electrons slowly migrate around within > the device over time > > until > > it no longer functions. > > > > So, there isn't much chance that a DVD player > tucked away in the attic > > will > > be any interest to my great-grandchildren. On the > other hand, my hundred > > year old mechanical gramophone stills work fine. > > > > Curt > > > > > > > > > > > Maxim Home Page: > http://www.maxim-ic.com > Products Page: > http://www.maxim-ic.com/MaximProducts/products.htm > New Products: > http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/new_products.cfm > Datasheets: > http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/l_datasheet3.cfm > The information contained in this message is > confidential > and may be legally privileged. The message is > intended > solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the > intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, > dissemination, > or reproduction is strictly prohibited and may be > unlawful. > If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact the sender > by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the > original message. > > > > Contributions of > any other form > > latest messages. > other List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/search > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Schroth seatbelts
Date: Aug 14, 2002
From: "Brandon Dixon" <dixon(at)cs.ua.edu>
I'm looking for a good source for Schroth belts. Some info in the archives indicates Morristec as a good(read less expensive) source, but I can't get in touch with them. The number on the website says that it has been disconnected, and they have not answered an e-mail that I sent a few weeks ago. Any other less expensive sources? Thanks! Brandon Dixon RV-7A Fuse (Finish kit soon) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1(at)kc.rr.com>
Subject: Electric Gyros
Date: Aug 14, 2002
I'm looking for electric gyros for my 6A. Does anyone know anything about Falcon Gauge advertised in KitPlanes? www.falcongauge.com I was very disappointed in R.C.Allen after speaking with them at OSH. Their warranty is a joke for expensive 'precision instruments' ... one year from the date of THEIR MANUFACTURE! They need to talk to the TruTrak folks about a true warranty. So, I'm out looking for another provider for electronic gyros. Thoughts? Regards, David W. Schaefer RV6-A FUSE ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sally and George" <aeronut58(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: cockpit color
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Scott: Cockpit color is a very personal thing, so you'll need to decide what you like best. Here's a couple of thoughts: I painted mine with epoxy in an off-white color (selected from a Sherwin Williams automobile paint catalog). I liked it initially and I still like it 70 hours later. I used their dulling agent to give it an eggshell finish (no glare in the cockpit). It's great for visibility and absence of glare, but the eggshell finish is more porous than plain epoxy...seems to get dirty faster than it ought to. I like the light color in the forward cockpit...it's a black hole down there when you've dropped something, and the light paint helps. Lots of guys are using a gray epoxy (looks like the color the Navy uses on most everything). It looks good and seems to go with most exterior and upholstery colors. Pick something YOU like and let it fly! George Kilishek RV-8 N888GK 70 trouble-free hours so far. >From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski(at)qcpi.com> >Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com >To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV8-List: cockpit color >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:59:13 -0700 > >--> RV8-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > >It is time to start thinking of cockpit color while every thing is >accessible, and am having a hard time. Right now I might just go with the >same color as the powder coated parts but I dont think that would look to >good on a white with green trim airplane. Any suggestions? > > >Scott Bilinski >Eng dept 8220 >Phone (858) 657-2536 >Pager (858) 502-5190 > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2002
From: Jim Daniels <jwdanie(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Schroth seatbelts
> > >I'm looking for a good source for Schroth belts. Some info in the >archives indicates Morristec as a good(read less expensive) source, but >I can't get in touch with them. The number on the website says that it >has been disconnected, and they have not answered an e-mail that I sent >a few weeks ago. > >Any other less expensive sources? > >Thanks! >Brandon Dixon >RV-7A Fuse (Finish kit soon) You might try Tim Mara at Wings & Wheels. He is a distributor of sailplane accessories and lists Schroth belts in his catalog (among other useful RV items) - <http://www.wingsandwheels.com/Page27.htm> Good luck, Jim Daniels ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Electric Gyros
Date: Aug 15, 2002
----Original Message Follows---- From: "David Schaefer" <dschaefer1(at)kc.rr.com> Subject: RV-List: Electric Gyros Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:18:47 -0700 I'm looking for electric gyros for my 6A. Does anyone know anything about Falcon Gauge advertised in KitPlanes? www.falcongauge.com I was very disappointed in R.C.Allen after speaking with them at OSH. Their warranty is a joke for expensive 'precision instruments' ... one year from the date of THEIR MANUFACTURE! They need to talk to the TruTrak folks about a true warranty. So, I'm out looking for another provider for electronic gyros. Thoughts? Regards, David W. Schaefer RV6-A FUSE Dave: I just came from their web site. I found this on the site. Falcon Gauge is a Division of Wultrad Inc. Check the archives for info on Wultrad. I purchased 2 NEW RC Allen vacuum AI 5 and 6 years ago. At that time, they were 18 month warranty from date of manufacture. I kept sending one after the other back to RCA for repair. They would fix them quickly but I did not have much reliablilty out of them. Only one went more than 200 hours once. I now have a Sigma-Tec vacuum and it is working beautifully. BTW, my needle ball is electric RC Allen and my DG is vacuum RC Allen. No problem with either. I get lots of comments about my RC Allen DG in that it precedes very little. About every 20-30 minutes it has moved 3 or 4 degrees. I have yet to have my first vacuum failure. The vacuum pump was new when I started flying the airplane. I replaced it with another new one late last year with 1,000 hours and it was still working. Yes I have had a lot of AI Vacuum instrument failures but I am still money ahead of the electric gyros. Just my opinion. If the electric were the same cost as the vacuum system, I would have went that route. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,159 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wiring Diagram
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: "Martin Hone" <martin.hone(at)tradergroup.com.au>
Hi Dave, The comment about Van's wiring diagram being basic is pretty right. As I am at the stage of wiring up my RV6, I have spent time indoors researching this when I would rather have been cutting or drilling things, but it is time well spent. I too have been studying Bengelis's books, Van's manual, Bob's Aerolectric Connection and the archives. I won't say that I know it all, but there is wealth of information out there, but not necessarily in the one spot. Bob Nuckols stuff shows the alternator B-lead as being #4 AWG with an 80 Amp fuse. Everyone else suggests a much lighter #8 AWG cable and 40 - 60 Amp fuse for a 35 Amp alternator, and even Bob, in a recent email to me, suggests that the lighter cable is adequate. I understand that the heavier cable is more to do with accidental alternator runaway when it can pump out something like 80 to 100 Amps, or on a cold morning when you have a dead flat battery. Another point that is covered, albeit very briefly, in the RVator and nowhere else that I have seen to date, is disconnecting the small jumper lead on the alternator solenoid, and running it to the other, unused, small terminal on the Starter Relay(contactor) which apparently has something to do with de-energising the starter solenoid to prevent the starter gear staying in engagement when the engine starts. Bengelis names these small terminals in the starter relay No 1 and 5. I've seen them called I and S - but makes no mention of the above - all rather confusing. Anyway, I have nutted out a wiring diagram for my basic VFR ship from which I will be working. If you want I can fax or email a copy FWIW. Cheers Martin in Oz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Subject: Re: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
Date: Aug 14, 2002
> I do have one question however. If you have several waypoints programmed > into your GPS, such as the kind of flight planning I have to do to chart > around the shark infested MOAs and TFRs that surround us in Texas ( I fly > through/around nine on my way to the coast alone ). Will the Trutrak system > follow this course or will I need to reprogram it to a new heading when I > pass over each waypoint? > > Many thanks, > > - Jim Andrews > N89JA > RV-8A ( in the paint shop...forever??? ) No, you need to reset it at each waypoint. I personally have a Navaid in my RV-8 which has worked perfectly since day one. It provides unbelieveable functionality, especially for the money. I know there's been a lot of noise about the Trutrak systems but frankly I can't figure it out... the Navaid does more of the real world things we do when we fly a typical flight plan. Yes, it has a mechanical gyro, so what? If I have to send it back after 1-2,000 flight hours who cares? Get a Navaid, hook it up to a GPS, put in a few way points, and watch it fly the course... it's magic, and all for $1,450. Resetting the autopilot at each waypoint sounds like a major hassle, and who wants to pay attention to the exact course... just set the GPS to go where you want and the Navaid will follow. I guess I'm slow, I just don't see the advantage of the Trutrak. Randy Lervold RV-8, 236 hrs, Navaid slaved to Garmin GPSMAP 295 and lovin it www.rv-8.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Subject: Re: WX Info
Date: Aug 14, 2002
> Once upon a time there was a web site providing real time WX data from ATIS, > AWOS observations. It had outline maps of the states with links to various > airports. Very handy for XC planning. > > I lost the URL. If it rings a bell with anybody, would much appreciate the > URL. I think it was an FAA site but can't find it on their home page. > > Don Diehl > RV-4 N28EW > Bremerton WA http://www.faa.gov/asos/asos.htm Randy Lervold RV-8 N558RL Camas, WA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2002
From: barry pote <barrypote(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Schroth seatbelts
Brandon, ACS sells them for $450+ a copy??? A good product, but pricey. I did a compromise purchase at Oshkosh. I bought Hookers, know for the quality and fair price, and they added Scroth buckets for another $100. Barry Pote RV9a finishing ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot(at)extremezone.com>
Subject: Re: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid compa
rison
Date: Aug 14, 2002
That is so true. I installed a Navaid in my airplane and never used it. In fact, the guy who bought it from me, has yet to use it. The RV is so easy to fly, it really is a pleasure, even on long flights. If I were flying in turbulence or IFR, I would consider using it, but never came to that. I know it is a great unit, but I just enjoyed flying too much! (And frankly, I miss it) Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cole, Ed" <Ed_Cole(at)maximhq.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid compa rison > > I thought you guy's were building these airplanes to fly...... not ride > along in !!! ; ) > > Ed Cole > RV6A N2169D Flying > RV6A N648RV Finishing > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Curt Reimer [SMTP:cgreimer(at)mb.sympatico.ca] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:54 PM > > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid > > comparison > > > > > > >The Navaid uses a mechanical > > >gyro with limited lifetime and the Digitrak uses solid state rate gyros > > >which should last forever (theoretically). > > > > Theoretically, it's just the opposite, or so they told me in school. > > > > (the following is just trivia and has no practical relevance to the > > discussion). > > > > The mechanical gyros in the Navaid could theoretically still be operable > > 100 > > years from now. Even if the bearings, etc. wear out, parts could be > > replaced > > or made from scratch. > > > > Solid state devices, on the other hand, have a design life of around 100 > > years. The electrons slowly migrate around within the device over time > > until > > it no longer functions. > > > > So, there isn't much chance that a DVD player tucked away in the attic > > will > > be any interest to my great-grandchildren. On the other hand, my hundred > > year old mechanical gramophone stills work fine. > > > > Curt > > > > > > > > > > > Maxim Home Page: > http://www.maxim-ic.com > Products Page: > http://www.maxim-ic.com/MaximProducts/products.htm > New Products: > http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/new_products.cfm > Datasheets: > http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/l_datasheet3.cfm > The information contained in this message is confidential > and may be legally privileged. The message is intended > solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, > or reproduction is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender > by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "3 rotor" <rv8r300(at)attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
Date: Aug 14, 2002
the gyro in a Navaid can't cost too much, they replaced mine for free when I sent it in for other reasons, saying it was "noisy". I believe they said it costs $20. Still. I wouldn't catch a nap when the Navaid is running, I still keep a close eye on it. I have had it navigate turns even over 90 degrees, although it takes a few oscillations. In reality the legs of a course probably vary but 5 degrees. Mine has been dropping control ocassionally after 5 years of use, and it is hard to debug what is going on, I suspect those micro switches may be failing. They seem to have failed whenever I used them for other things, like PTT, for instance. In my cross country flights, of which I can claim al least 8, from AK to the Bahamas, the Navaid has flown a good 90% to the time, while I check charts (and attempt to hold 200 elevation!). Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison > > > I do have one question however. If you have several waypoints programmed > > into your GPS, such as the kind of flight planning I have to do to chart > > around the shark infested MOAs and TFRs that surround us in Texas ( I fly > > through/around nine on my way to the coast alone ). Will the Trutrak > system > > follow this course or will I need to reprogram it to a new heading when I > > pass over each waypoint? > > > > Many thanks, > > > > - Jim Andrews > > N89JA > > RV-8A ( in the paint shop...forever??? ) > > > No, you need to reset it at each waypoint. I personally have a Navaid in my > RV-8 which has worked perfectly since day one. It provides unbelieveable > functionality, especially for the money. I know there's been a lot of noise > about the Trutrak systems but frankly I can't figure it out... the Navaid > does more of the real world things we do when we fly a typical flight plan. > Yes, it has a mechanical gyro, so what? If I have to send it back after > 1-2,000 flight hours who cares? Get a Navaid, hook it up to a GPS, put in a > few way points, and watch it fly the course... it's magic, and all for > $1,450. Resetting the autopilot at each waypoint sounds like a major hassle, > and who wants to pay attention to the exact course... just set the GPS to go > where you want and the Navaid will follow. I guess I'm slow, I just don't > see the advantage of the Trutrak. > > Randy Lervold > RV-8, 236 hrs, Navaid slaved to Garmin GPSMAP 295 and lovin it > www.rv-8.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein(at)steinair.com>
Subject: Schroth seatbelts
Date: Aug 14, 2002
I also bought Hookers, cheaper, and IMHO a great belt. The big plus is you can get them in literally ANY color combination you want, and can make them match your seats perfectly. You can get them with a rotary buckly if you don't like the military buckles, but I like the quick release hooks just fine. The best price is from Rocket Aircraft. They are quick, and beautiful belts, already made to size for the RV's. Just my opinion though. Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6, Minneapolis Paintning. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of barry pote Subject: Re: RV-List: Schroth seatbelts Brandon, ACS sells them for $450+ a copy??? A good product, but pricey. I did a compromise purchase at Oshkosh. I bought Hookers, know for the quality and fair price, and they added Scroth buckets for another $100. Barry Pote RV9a finishing ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot(at)extremezone.com>
Subject: Re: Schroth seatbelts
Date: Aug 14, 2002
Well said, and exactly my feelings on the Hooker Belts. I can't see spending the money on a Schroth when you get some quality belts like the Hooker belts for half the price. Hookers will definately be in my next airplane. Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stein Bruch" <stein(at)steinair.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: Schroth seatbelts > > I also bought Hookers, cheaper, and IMHO a great belt. The big plus is you > can get them in literally ANY color combination you want, and can make them > match your seats perfectly. You can get them with a rotary buckly if you > don't like the military buckles, but I like the quick release hooks just > fine. The best price is from Rocket Aircraft. They are quick, and > beautiful belts, already made to size for the RV's. > > Just my opinion though. > > Cheers, > Stein Bruch > RV6, Minneapolis > Paintning. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of barry pote > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Schroth seatbelts > > > Brandon, > ACS sells them for $450+ a copy??? A good product, but pricey. > I did a compromise purchase at Oshkosh. I bought Hookers, know for the > quality and fair price, and they added Scroth buckets for another $100. > Barry Pote RV9a finishing > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: PGLong(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: Flaps......
Just starting to build the flaps. Got the first (left) skins drilled. Since there is only one shown on my prints from this old # 676 kit, I assume that the right flap is constructed with the dimensions being reversed or mirrored? Thought I'd better ask the pro's rather than mess up the second. Thanks, Pat Pat Long RV-4 in Michigan PGLong(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds(at)macs.net>
Subject: Re: Schroth seatbelts
I bought Hooker belts at OSH with Schroth buckels. They were considerable less expensive than the "new" Schroth dealer prices. Morris is no longer a dealer. Call Hooker Custom Harness! Richard Reynolds, Norfolk, VA RV-6A Brandon Dixon wrote: > > I'm looking for a good source for Schroth belts. Some info in the > archives indicates Morristec as a good(read less expensive) source, but > I can't get in touch with them. The number on the website says that it > has been disconnected, and they have not answered an e-mail that I sent > a few weeks ago. > > Any other less expensive sources? > > Thanks! > Brandon Dixon > RV-7A Fuse (Finish kit soon) > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds(at)macs.net>
Subject: Re: Wiring diagrams
David, I used MS EXCEL to develop my avionics diagrams. Contact me off line to send you an example. Richard Reynolds, Norfolk, VA, RV-6A David Roseblade wrote: > > Listers, > > Does anyone have any links to some shareware for the production of wiring > diagrams or even some samples for a RV6A non-IFR? > > Regards > > Dvid Roseblade > RV6A- Finishing kit > Dubai, UAE > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: Carroll Bird <catbird(at)taylorelectric.com>
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Flaps......
Yes they are mirror images of one another. Good luck. Carroll Bird RV-4 flying 3 Yrs PGLong(at)aol.com wrote: > --> RV4-List message posted by: PGLong(at)aol.com > > Just starting to build the flaps. Got the first (left) skins drilled. Since > there is only one shown on my prints from this old # 676 kit, I assume that > the right flap is constructed with the dimensions being reversed or mirrored? > Thought I'd better ask the pro's rather than mess up the second. > > Thanks, Pat > > Pat Long > RV-4 in Michigan > PGLong(at)aol.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Schroth seatbelts
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Brandon, We got ours from Team Rocket. They are made by Hooker Harness with the Schroth buckle and are great. The pads are available in a number of colors. They are great and reasonable - if I remmeber about $499 for (2) of the (5) point sets. Highly recommended! Chuck & Dave Rowbotham RV-8A (110 hrs) >From: "Brandon Dixon" <dixon(at)cs.ua.edu> >Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >To: , >Subject: RV-List: Schroth seatbelts >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:13:54 -0500 > > >I'm looking for a good source for Schroth belts. Some info in the >archives indicates Morristec as a good(read less expensive) source, but >I can't get in touch with them. The number on the website says that it >has been disconnected, and they have not answered an e-mail that I sent >a few weeks ago. > >Any other less expensive sources? > >Thanks! >Brandon Dixon >RV-7A Fuse (Finish kit soon) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: N8292W(at)aol.com
Subject: RV-4 Fuel Line Routing Help
I am building a RV-4 with an O320-E2D and a vetterman exhaust. I am having a difficult time getting the routing from the engine driven fuel pump to the carb. I have tried both a straight fitting and a 90 degree fitting at the fuel pump, but still can't get a routing that does not touch the exhaust. I have it connected with fireshield on the fuel line and a heat shield on the exhaust, but they come in hard contact which does not seem like an ideal situation. Does anyone have some advice or better yet, pictures of their set-up they could send me? Thanks -Mike Kraus N223RV - fiberglass and a few little things to finish! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins(at)giant.com>
Subject: RV-4 Fuel Line Routing Help
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Mike I have the exact same set up as you, but I have at least an 1-1/2" clearance between the exhaust pipe and the fuel line. I don't know what the difference could be. I will look up some pics and send them of list. Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, at the paint shop. -----Original Message----- From: N8292W(at)aol.com [mailto:N8292W(at)aol.com] Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Fuel Line Routing Help I am building a RV-4 with an O320-E2D and a vetterman exhaust. I am having a difficult time getting the routing from the engine driven fuel pump to the carb. I have tried both a straight fitting and a 90 degree fitting at the fuel pump, but still can't get a routing that does not touch the exhaust. I have it connected with fireshield on the fuel line and a heat shield on the exhaust, but they come in hard contact which does not seem like an ideal situation. Does anyone have some advice or better yet, pictures of their set-up they could send me? Thanks -Mike Kraus N223RV - fiberglass and a few little things to finish! RE: RV-List: RV-4 Fuel Line Routing Help Mike I have the exact same set up as you, but I have at least an 1-1/2 clearance between the exhaust pipe and the fuel line. I don't know what the difference could be. I will look up some pics and send them of list. Larry Hawkins, RV-4 Farmington, NM, N-345SL, at the paint shop. -----Original Message----- From: N8292W(at)aol.com [<A HREF"mailto:N8292W(at)aol.com">mailto:N8292W(at)aol.com] Sent: August 15, 2002 5:56 AM To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Fuel Line Routing Help -- RV-List message posted by: N8292W(at)aol.com I am building a RV-4 with an O320-E2D and a vetterman exhaust. I am having a difficult time getting the routing from the engine driven fuel pump to the carb. I have tried both a straight fitting and a 90 degree fitting at the fuel pump, but still can't get a routing that does not touch the exhaust. I have it connected with fireshield on the fuel line and a heat shield on the exhaust, but they come in hard contact which does not seem like an ideal situation. Does anyone have some advice or better yet, pictures of their set-up they could send me? Thanks -Mike Kraus N223RV - fiberglass and a few little things to finish! http://www.matronics.com/subscription Share: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare List: http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv-list http://www.matronics.com/search Archives: http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/rv-list Lists: http://www.matronics.com/emaillists http://www.matronics.com/ Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: TwoAviators <TwoAviators(at)lexcominc.net>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: cockpit color
Scott, As most are saying, its a personal thing. In my case, not knowing what I would ultimtely do for a paint scheme, I decided to come up with something neutral, yet something really different. This is what I did, and I have gotten a zillion compliments on it. I primed the inside pieces with Zinc Chromate. I then did a three step process I invented. This may sound difficult but it was really easy. I sprayed the first coat of paint with Krylon Smoke Gray Gloss, before it dried I sprayed on Granite Faux (a textured paint I bought at Wal-Mart for about $7) and then waiting a few minutes, sprayed the clear coat (probably some kind of urethane) that sat next to it on the shelf (at Walmart). It gave me a textured looking finish, that was cheap, light, non-reflective, has been very durable, and hides even the rivet tails in the inside of the cockpit walls. I even did my instrument panel with it, and with the black contrasting instruments, it looks great. If you want any further specific info I will go look for the cans and send it to ya. IF you decide on this, let me know and I will give you further specific details how I made it work. Good Luck Dan Ward N417SN s/n 81243 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Jory" <rickjory(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Schroth seatbelts
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Apparently the Schroth dealership in the U.S. has been transferred to Karas Engineering, 89 Arbor Meadow Drive, Sicklerville, NJ 08081. I believe a contact is www.karasengineering.com . The company makes them custom to fit any of the RV's. Rick Jory (RV8A) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brandon Dixon <dixon(at)cs.ua.edu> Subject: RV-List: Schroth seatbelts > > > I'm looking for a good source for Schroth belts. Some info in the > archives indicates Morristec as a good(read less expensive) source, but > I can't get in touch with them. The number on the website says that it > has been disconnected, and they have not answered an e-mail that I sent > a few weeks ago. > > Any other less expensive sources? > > Thanks! > Brandon Dixon > RV-7A Fuse (Finish kit soon) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: $5000 experiment
Date: Aug 15, 2002
OK, the results are in on the jigless, non supported, non clamped RV-7 wing experiment. Remember, I did this just for me to see. Your results my vary, so don't take this as anything other than something I wanted to do. As I posted about a month ago. I wanted to see just how straight one could build the 7 pre punched wing without any clamping or support at all. With that said, I was very, very careful during the construction to measure repeatedly........and then again. I did not clamp the aft spar to the fixture (not a jig anymore) and did not support the center of the wing. I always had, in addition to the outboard leading edge and the fuel tank, three skins clecoed or riveted to the skeleton. I used these skins as the support, without them the skeleton would sag and/or flex. I worked from the middle of the skins out, up and down with my rivets. I just finished final measuring. The wing is perfectly straight with no sag at all. The wing measures true for and aft, inboard, center and outboard. It is "plumb" (or is that what I had for breakfast:-). Could I have clamped and supported everything, Sure but what fun would that have been. The following pics show the wing and the mating point of three skins. The mating picture is a little fuzzy but you will be able to see just how tight all three fit together at the center of the wing. Yep, I still have to get about every third or fourth rivet on the outboard skin. Really this wasn't anything. I wasn't concerned at all, the pre punch takes a lot out of the equation. I know there are a lot of you who think I just made a horrible mistake and the airplane is going to "fall out of the sky" but the tale of the tape tells the story........it's straight. http://rvflying.tripod.com/p8150155.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/p8150157.jpg Now, don't take this wrong. I'm not trying to fire up the non pre punch gang (us pre punch guys are wussies:-) or the box of dirt mine your own ore guys. Just pointing out how far Van's has come along. You guys believe that last statement, don't you:-) We have to phrase it differently now. Keep on pounding, clecoing, drilling or mining...........whichever is appropriate. Ailerons this week!! Dana Overall Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com (needs lots of updating) MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dirtyrottenscoundrels(at)attbi.com
Subject: Log Book Entry Question
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Hi, I just replaced the original Vetterman exhaust mounts with the Vetterman's new exhaust mounting kit. Should this entry go into the airframe or the engine logbook? Thanks, Glenn Gordon N442E ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kitlog Pro" <info(at)kitlog.com>
Subject: Re: Log Book Entry Question
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Engine. Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <dirtyrottenscoundrels(at)attbi.com> Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entry Question > > Hi, > I just replaced the original Vetterman exhaust mounts > with the Vetterman's new exhaust mounting kit. > > Should this entry go into the airframe or the engine > logbook? > > Thanks, > Glenn Gordon > N442E > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com>
Subject: RV-4 Fuel Line Routing Help
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Mike, Mine is very close too and I've tried 90's 45's and straight fittings to make it route better and I just couldn't find a way. Mine would be touching too. I wrapped my fuel line with firesleeve and put one of those heat shields on the exhaust pipe. My fuel line rests against it. I'm not too thrilled about it but I haven't found a better way. If you do please let me know!! I'd like to see what Larry comes up with too. -----Original Message----- From: N8292W(at)aol.com Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Fuel Line Routing Help I am building a RV-4 with an O320-E2D and a vetterman exhaust. I am having a difficult time getting the routing from the engine driven fuel pump to the carb. I have tried both a straight fitting and a 90 degree fitting at the fuel pump, but still can't get a routing that does not touch the exhaust. I have it connected with fireshield on the fuel line and a heat shield on the exhaust, but they come in hard contact which does not seem like an ideal situation. Does anyone have some advice or better yet, pictures of their set-up they could send me? Thanks -Mike Kraus N223RV - fiberglass and a few little things to finish! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Log Book Entry Question
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Exhaust change goes into the airframe logbook, not that it really matters much. Kind of a guideline on where to make entries is, think about an engine change. What would go into the box with the engine if you were to send the engine out for a complete overhaul/exchange. If it goes with the engine then its a engine logbook entry. If it stays behind to be installed onto the engine with the new one, then its probably an airframe entry. Either way its not that big of a deal. The important part is that you make an entry somewhere. Mike Robertson RV-8, 6A, 9A >From: "Kitlog Pro" <info(at)kitlog.com> >Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: RV-List: Log Book Entry Question >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:03:59 -0700 > > >Engine. > >Paul Besing >RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10) >http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing >Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software >http://www.kitlog.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <dirtyrottenscoundrels(at)attbi.com> >To: >Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entry Question > > > > > > Hi, > > I just replaced the original Vetterman exhaust mounts > > with the Vetterman's new exhaust mounting kit. > > > > Should this entry go into the airframe or the engine > > logbook? > > > > Thanks, > > Glenn Gordon > > N442E > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exhaust chane goes into the airframe logbook MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: $5000 experiment
Dana, How does the joint between your tank and leading edge look? I used the same jigless method you did on both my wings. I am very happy with all of the wing except that joint. It is puffy between the screws. I think maybe I didn't squeeze the proseal down enough on the tank and therefore it is slightly larger than the leading edge. I'm just not sure. Ross Schlotthauer RV7 Wings done Fuse in Mid Sept. --- Dana Overall wrote: > > > OK, the results are in on the jigless, non > supported, non clamped RV-7 wing > experiment. Remember, I did this just for me to > see. Your results my vary, > so don't take this as anything other than something > I wanted to do. > > As I posted about a month ago. I wanted to see just > how straight one could > build the 7 pre punched wing without any clamping or > support at all. With > that said, I was very, very careful during the > construction to measure > repeatedly........and then again. I did not clamp > the aft spar to the > fixture (not a jig anymore) and did not support the > center of the wing. I > always had, in addition to the outboard leading edge > and the fuel tank, > three skins clecoed or riveted to the skeleton. I > used these skins as the > support, without them the skeleton would sag and/or > flex. I worked from the > middle of the skins out, up and down with my rivets. > > I just finished final measuring. The wing is > perfectly straight with no sag > at all. The wing measures true for and aft, > inboard, center and outboard. > It is "plumb" (or is that what I had for > breakfast:-). Could I have clamped > and supported everything, Sure but what fun would > that have been. The > following pics show the wing and the mating point of > three skins. The > mating picture is a little fuzzy but you will be > able to see just how tight > all three fit together at the center of the wing. > Yep, I still have to get > about every third or fourth rivet on the outboard > skin. Really this wasn't > anything. I wasn't concerned at all, the pre punch > takes a lot out of the > equation. I know there are a lot of you who think I > just made a horrible > mistake and the airplane is going to "fall out of > the sky" but the tale of > the tape tells the story........it's straight. > > http://rvflying.tripod.com/p8150155.jpg > > http://rvflying.tripod.com/p8150157.jpg > > Now, don't take this wrong. I'm not trying to fire > up the non pre punch > gang (us pre punch guys are wussies:-) or the box of > dirt mine your own ore > guys. Just pointing out how far Van's has come > along. You guys believe > that last statement, don't you:-) > > We have to phrase it differently now. Keep on > pounding, clecoing, drilling > or mining...........whichever is appropriate. > > Ailerons this week!! > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > http://rvflying.tripod.com (needs lots of updating) > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > Contributions of > any other form > > latest messages. > other List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/search > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: P M Condon <pcondon(at)mitre.org>
Subject: Re: Mechnical(Analog) Vs. Digital
From: "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer(at)mb.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison >The Navaid uses a mechanical >gyro with limited lifetime and the Digitrak uses solid state rate gyros >which should last forever (theoretically). ....." Solid state devices, on the other hand, have a design life of around 100 years. The electrons slowly migrate around within the device over time until it no longer functions. ".......... Curt, someone was reading from "The Brothers Grim" fairy tail book, "Asops Fables" or from "Bulwinkles Fractured Fairy Tales" if you think the above statement is true. I hope you are kidding us here........... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com>
Subject: RV-4 Fuel Line Routing Help
Date: Aug 15, 2002
FWIW I put my heat muff in that area to shield the fuel line from the hot exhaust pipe. Steve Soule Huntington, Vermont RV-6A N227RV -----Original Message----- Mike, Mine is very close too and I've tried 90's 45's and straight fittings to make it route better and I just couldn't find a way. Mine would be touching too. I wrapped my fuel line with firesleeve and put one of those heat shields on the exhaust pipe. My fuel line rests against it. I'm not too thrilled about it but I haven't found a better way. If you do please let me know!! I'd like to see what Larry comes up with too. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jordan, Mel" <jordan_mel(at)ti.com>
Subject: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Actually, the MAC wire only handles signal level current in the miliamp range. The installation requires a seperate wire for power and for ground if you use a central ground point (7 wires total). On an RV, the servo can also be grounded locally, which would cut it down to a power wire and the MAC cable. The MAC wire is very easy to use to handle the five signal wires. Mel Jordan N6JX at the airport for final assembly From: tchoug <tchoug(at)micron.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid compa rison Ross, I did not yet purchase the cable, but I believe the MAC cable is a 5 conductor 26 gauge cable (at least according to the website). Trutrak indicates that the servos draw less than 2 amps each. I don't have my wire gauge current chart handy, but I believe this is within the limits of a 26 gauge wire. Todd Houg N194TH - reserved ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RION BOURGEOIS" <rion(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Wiring diagrams
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Fella name of Nuckolls has a book out on wiring aircraft that has some useful diagrams in the back. You can order the book on the web. See www.aeroelectric.com. Good luck, Rion ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson(at)mcleodusa.net> Subject: Re: RV-List: Wiring diagrams > > Look in the construction manual from Van;s and there is one there that is > pretty basic but also complete enough to use. You can also customize it to > suit. Tony Bingelis's books also contain some in them... > > Phil > > David Roseblade wrote: > > > > > Listers, > > > > Does anyone have any links to some shareware for the production of wiring > > diagrams or even some samples for a RV6A non-IFR? > > > > Regards > > > > Dvid Roseblade > > RV6A- Finishing kit > > Dubai, UAE > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RION BOURGEOIS" <rion(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: cockpit color
Date: Aug 15, 2002
A friend of mine painted his cockpit interior red, and calls his airplane "Bucket of Blood" and his name is BoB. Looked odd before he painted his airplane, but looks great with his early '60s Corvette red and white paint scheme. Don't paint it black unless you like flying in a sauna. Don't paint it pink unless you want to raise questions about your sexuality. Any other color should do. I went with a satin grey. Did you know that Van's paints their prototypes grey, and paint them while they are still upside down? Rion ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally and George" <aeronut58(at)hotmail.com> Subject: RV-List: Re: RV8-List: cockpit color > > Scott: > > Cockpit color is a very personal thing, so you'll need to decide what you > like best. Here's a couple of thoughts: > > I painted mine with epoxy in an off-white color (selected from a Sherwin > Williams automobile paint catalog). I liked it initially and I still like it > 70 hours later. I used their dulling agent to give it an eggshell finish > (no glare in the cockpit). It's great for visibility and absence of glare, > but the eggshell finish is more porous than plain epoxy...seems to get dirty > faster than it ought to. I like the light color in the forward > cockpit...it's a black hole down there when you've dropped something, and > the light paint helps. Lots of guys are using a gray epoxy (looks like the > color the Navy uses on most everything). It looks good and seems to go with > most exterior and upholstery colors. Pick something YOU like and let it > fly! > > George Kilishek > RV-8 N888GK > 70 trouble-free hours so far. > > > >From: Scott Bilinski <bilinski(at)qcpi.com> > >Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com > >To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com > >Subject: RV8-List: cockpit color > >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:59:13 -0700 > > > >--> RV8-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > > > >It is time to start thinking of cockpit color while every thing is > >accessible, and am having a hard time. Right now I might just go with the > >same color as the powder coated parts but I dont think that would look to > >good on a white with green trim airplane. Any suggestions? > > > > > >Scott Bilinski > >Eng dept 8220 > >Phone (858) 657-2536 > >Pager (858) 502-5190 > > > > > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RION BOURGEOIS" <rion(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: RV-4 Fuel Line Routing Help
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Mike: I assume you are using the cross-over system, and the fuel inlet on the carb is on the left side. Is the interfernce with the down pipe from the #4 cylinder, or the cross-over pipe? I have an IO-320D1A with Vetterman 4 pipe system, and have room to run the fuel line straight from the fuel pump to the throttle body intake on the left side of the throttle body. I am using Van's 90 degree fitting with take off for fuel pressure line at the fuel pump outlet. If your interference is with the cross-over pipe, you might resolve it by switching to the 4 pipe system. Otherwise, if it were me, I would try running the fuel line forward, above the intake tubes, then down to the carb. I would be afraid to fly with my fuel line touching the exhaust or the heat shield, and I doubt if the DAR would pass it anyway. Another thought if the interference is close to the carb: have you tried a 90 degree fitting on the carb end of your fuel line (male fitting on carb, female 90 degree fitting on fuel line)? Have you explored the availability of a 90 degree inlet fitting for your carb? Good luck, Rion ----- Original Message ----- From: <N8292W(at)aol.com> Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Fuel Line Routing Help > > I am building a RV-4 with an O320-E2D and a vetterman exhaust. I am having a difficult time getting the routing from the engine driven fuel pump to the carb. I have tried both a straight fitting and a 90 degree fitting at the fuel pump, but still can't get a routing that does not touch the exhaust. I have it connected with fireshield on the fuel line and a heat shield on the exhaust, but they come in hard contact which does not seem like an ideal situation. Does anyone have some advice or better yet, pictures of their set-up they could send me? Thanks > -Mike Kraus > N223RV - fiberglass and a few little things to finish! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: Re: RV-4 Fuel Line Routing Help
From: Don Jordan <dons6a(at)juno.com>
I used two 90 degrees on each end, but the hose is long enoght to make a nice 180 turn. I have a six with D3G. Don Jordan - N6DJ - RV6A Arlington, Tx ******************************* > > I am building a RV-4 with an O320-E2D and a vetterman exhaust. I am > having a difficult time getting the routing from the engine driven > fuel pump to the carb. I have tried both a straight fitting and a > 90 degree fitting at the fuel pump, but still can't get a routing > that does not touch the exhaust. I have it connected with > fireshield on the fuel line and a heat shield on the exhaust, but > they come in hard contact which does not seem like an ideal > situation. Does anyone have some advice or better yet, pictures of > their set-up they could send me? Thanks > -Mike Kraus > N223RV - fiberglass and a few little things to finish! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wiethe, Philip (P.J.)" <pwiethe(at)ford.com>
Subject: RV-8 with Whirlwind at Mettetal
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Is anyone on the list the person who had the RV-8 with the Whirlwind 3 blade prop at Mettetal airport (1D2) some time after Oshkosh? I am building an 8A and fly out of 1D2, but missed seeing the plane there. If you are going to be back there sometime, could you send me an email? I would like to see it if possible. Thanks, Phil Wiethe 8A emp (HS, VS done) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein(at)steinair.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: cockpit color
Date: Aug 15, 2002
I did a similar thing, only using a Rustoleum "Hammered Finish". It's great paint, comes in both spray cans and bulk, and leaves a really beautiful textured finish that covers a lot of things up. Just an FYI, I've covered a lot of it up with fabric, but the remainder looks great. I copied this from several other builders in the area. The hammered finish comes in a variety of colors and can be found at you local Menards/Home Depot aviation departments! Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6, Minneapolis, Painting. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of TwoAviators Subject: RV-List: Re: RV8-List: cockpit color Scott, As most are saying, its a personal thing. In my case, not knowing what I would ultimtely do for a paint scheme, I decided to come up with something neutral, yet something really different. This is what I did, and I have gotten a zillion compliments on it. I primed the inside pieces with Zinc Chromate. I then did a three step process I invented. This may sound difficult but it was really easy. I sprayed the first coat of paint with Krylon Smoke Gray Gloss, before it dried I sprayed on Granite Faux (a textured paint I bought at Wal-Mart for about $7) and then waiting a few minutes, sprayed the clear coat (probably some kind of urethane) that sat next to it on the shelf (at Walmart). It gave me a textured looking finish, that was cheap, light, non-reflective, has been very durable, and hides even the rivet tails in the inside of the cockpit walls. I even did my instrument panel with it, and with the black contrasting instruments, it looks great. If you want any further specific info I will go look for the cans and send it to ya. IF you decide on this, let me know and I will give you further specific details how I made it work. Good Luck Dan Ward N417SN s/n 81243 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: <sgesele(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Narco Nav 122D
Does anyone on the list have and first / second hand info on this unit? From the looks of this receiver, it should be the easiest and cheapest method of adding VOR-LOC and GS capability to my -6A. I do remember very bad reports a few years back regarding Narco and their products. As this is a relatively new product, I'm just wondering what experiences others may have had prior to dropping almost 3K on it. Any suggestions on a dealer? Thanks in advance, Scott Gesele N506RV 500hrs HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gabe and Marisol Ferrer" <ferrergm(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Cokcpit Colot
Date: Aug 15, 2002
The instrument panel is flat black. I used a flattener that you have to add to the paint, because it usually comes "shiny". The cockpit walls, fllors and rails are "Whispering Grey" shiny. solvents and it is very scratch resitant. The manufacturer is US Paint. Gabe A Ferrer (RV6, just got my wings on!!, working on the "final wiring") ferrergm(at)bellsouth.net Cell: 561 758 8894 Night or FAX: 561 622 0960 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com>
Subject: GPS / NAV / CDI question
I'm starting to aquire bits and pieces for my panel and am not sure which VOR/LOC/GS indicator I really need. I will have a KX 155 Nav/Com and a KLN 94 GPS. I *think* I would prefer to use a KI 209 indicator with the KX 155 and have a separate CDI for the GPS. Since the CDI will be wired directly to the GPS, do I still need a KI 208A with the relays or will a regular KI 208 do? The KLN 94 has annunciators built it, so if I understand correctly, wiring directly to a CDI should be IFR certifiable. Also, is there any merit to having a single CDI (KI 209A) switched between the two? Finally, I'd would gladly appreciate any recommendations on avionics books (installation/troubleshooting/maintaining). I've designed and built several electronic projects (single board computers mostly) so I'm comfortable with wiring/soldering/etc. but like everything else with this project I am new to aviation-specific stuff. Thanks! Brad "Sharpie" Benson RV 6AQ.... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Meier, George" <George.Meier(at)goodrich.com>
Subject: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid compa
rison
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Just what is ARINC 429? ARINC 429 is just a standard Aircraft Serial Data Bus. It is either 12.5 or 100 thousand bits per second. ARINC stands for Aeronautical Radio Incorporated. George Meier RV6A - wings ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GPS / NAV / CDI question
Date: Aug 15, 2002
----Original Message Follows---- From: "Brad Benson" <brad@cds-inc.com> Subject: RV-List: GPS / NAV / CDI question Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:39:26 -0500 I'm starting to aquire bits and pieces for my panel and am not sure which VOR/LOC/GS indicator I really need. I will have a KX 155 Nav/Com and a KLN 94 GPS. I *think* I would prefer to use a KI 209 indicator with the KX 155 and have a separate CDI for the GPS. Since the CDI will be wired directly to the GPS, do I still need a KI 208A with the relays or will a regular KI 208 do? The KLN 94 has annunciators built it, so if I understand correctly, wiring directly to a CDI should be IFR certifiable. Also, is there any merit to having a single CDI (KI 209A) switched between the two? Finally, I'd would gladly appreciate any recommendations on avionics books (installation/troubleshooting/maintaining). I've designed and built several electronic projects (single board computers mostly) so I'm comfortable with wiring/soldering/etc. but like everything else with this project I am new to aviation-specific stuff. Thanks! Brad "Sharpie" Benson RV 6AQ.... Brad: Most IFR GPS installations require an ACU/ASU (Annunator Control Unit /Annuncator Switching Unit). I used the Apollo ACU with my GX-60 / SL-30 and only one Apollo CDI. If the KX-155 has GS, I would recommend using the KI-209A (or equivelant / better CDI) and hooking up the GPS through an ACU/ASU to the same CDI. It saves weight, money, panel space, and building time. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,159 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: JTAnon(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: Re: Narco Nav 122D
I own a 1971 Grumman AA1A which has all Narco stuff (com, transponder, and an earlier version of the nav/glidescope unit you mentioned) My complaint with Narco is service. The work takes forever to do, and they won't let anyone else do the service work. When my RV7A is ready for avionics, none of them will be from Narco John McDonnell RV7A (Fuse) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wheeler North <wnorth(at)sdccd.cc.ca.us>
Subject: Falcon/wultrade
Date: Aug 15, 2002
I went through three of the Falcon TC's from Vans, and gave up. They would just stop working or start turning randomly on flat ground not moving. I now have a Navaid and it works prefectly. If the GPS course turn is more than about 30degs it takes a few oscillations to return to low cross track error. I have it fed from either my GPS/COM 190 or my VAL VOR/ILS. The gps is more accurate in terms of flying a straight line, the VOR wanders back and forth slightly. It is very easy to program in all the way points for an approach, and the darned thing flies it perfectly--- (In VFR conditions of course) 10.5 hours each way from SEE to OSH, having the Navaid do most of the work was a blessing. It is also a way cool instrument if you find yourself inadvertantly in a cloud. The trim control, when in course mode, allows you to offset your trak either way. This is very useful when your GPS is trying to drive you through the side of Mt. Shasta. When you are past it can then be set back to the original track very easily. Not having the TC display like the TruTrak seems like a wasted hole in the panel to me? But the comparison report was very useful. I would say the biggest down side of the Navaid is the wait time. w ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Robertson" <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Log Book Entry Question
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Glenn, Technically that would be an airframe logbook entry. But as long as there is a logbook entry somewhere you are legal. Mike R. RV-8A, 6A, 9A >From: dirtyrottenscoundrels(at)attbi.com >Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Log Book Entry Question >Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:30:12 +0000 > > >Hi, >I just replaced the original Vetterman exhaust mounts >with the Vetterman's new exhaust mounting kit. > >Should this entry go into the airframe or the engine >logbook? > >Thanks, >Glenn Gordon >N442E > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Schroth seatbelts
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Schroth or Hooker seatbelts? Why? Simpson sells 5 way camlock belts for only $180. They are the highest price belt in their catalog. They also have 3" webbing 5 point standard latch for $95 or 2" webbed 5 point belts for $60. All available in red, blue, or black. If you can't find the belt you need in their catalog, something is wrong. I have the 3" webbing 5 point standard latch for $95 and they are fine. If you're not doing any acro, the 2" stuff would be fine too. www.simpsonraceproducts.com Vince Frazier 1946 Stinson, NC97535, flying F-1H Rocket, "Six Shooter", N540VF reserved, canopy installation stage http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: glen j matejcek <aerobubba(at)compuserve.com>
Subject: cockpit color
I wrestled with the cockpit color issue also. While contemplating durability, unobtrusiveness, low reflectivity, and the ability to touch up easily, my eyes fell upon a rattle can of Hartzell grey propellor epoxy paint. Not as cheap as Krylon or rustoleum, but it meets all my requirements quite well. Just one opinion... Glen Matejcek rv-8 soon to be on gear ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: glen j matejcek <aerobubba(at)compuserve.com>
Subject: cockpit color
I wrestled with the cockpit color issue also. While contemplating durability, unobtrusiveness, low reflectivity, and the ability to touch up easily, my eyes fell upon a rattle can of Hartzell grey propellor epoxy paint. Not as cheap as Krylon or rustoleum, but it meets all my requirements quite well. Just one opinion... Glen Matejcek rv-8 soon to be on gear ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein(at)steinair.com>
Subject: Narco Nav 122D
Date: Aug 15, 2002
I second that! I have a Narco MK12D+ w/ G/S and an IDME891 VOR/LOC/GS/DME/MKR guage. While the whole setup was very affordable, and looks great, I too have had tons of bad phone calls/service issues with Narco. I needed to buy a bunch of "parts, pins, connectors, etc.." from them and it was hell. They are absolutely the worst company as far as customer service goes. I too have vowed that my next plane will have NO Narco in it. I like the stuff, but don't like the company. I usually never blast a company, and give them at least 3 tried talking to at least 3 different people before I make a judgement, but I've had it. Did you know that the manuals you get from Narco (Install, User, etc..) are all just photocopied?? They charge you a pile of money, and the manuals are crap. The schematics actually have a few hand scribbled notes on them. Compare this with the Garmin and King stuff that I have. They are first rate! Imagine, Garmin actually let you download the manuals from the web, FREE! Anyway, I'll let you make up you own opinion, but IMHO there are a lot of other options when doing a panel. Cheers, Stein Bruch. RV6, Minneapolis Painting....stilll -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of JTAnon(at)aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Narco Nav 122D I own a 1971 Grumman AA1A which has all Narco stuff (com, transponder, and an earlier version of the nav/glidescope unit you mentioned) My complaint with Narco is service. The work takes forever to do, and they won't let anyone else do the service work. When my RV7A is ready for avionics, none of them will be from Narco John McDonnell RV7A (Fuse) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: Ross Schlotthauer <rdschlotthauer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Falcon/wultrade
Snip... Not having the TC display like the TruTrak seems like a wasted hole in the panel to me?.... Wheeler, Did you mean Navaid or TruTrak? Ross Schlotthauer RV7 Just ordered Navaid with 4 month lead time, not a problem, waiting for the 2.5 month lead time fuse. --- Wheeler North wrote: > > > I went through three of the Falcon TC's from Vans, > and gave up. They would > just stop working or start turning randomly on flat > ground not moving. > > I now have a Navaid and it works prefectly. If the > GPS course turn is more > than about 30degs it takes a few oscillations to > return to low cross track > error. I have it fed from either my GPS/COM 190 or > my VAL VOR/ILS. The gps > is more accurate in terms of flying a straight line, > the VOR wanders back > and forth slightly. It is very easy to program in > all the way points for an > approach, and the darned thing flies it perfectly--- > (In VFR conditions of > course) > > 10.5 hours each way from SEE to OSH, having the > Navaid do most of the work > was a blessing. It is also a way cool instrument if > you find yourself > inadvertantly in a cloud. > > The trim control, when in course mode, allows you to > offset your trak either > way. This is very useful when your GPS is trying to > drive you through the > side of Mt. Shasta. When you are past it can then be > set back to the > original track very easily. > > Not having the TC display like the TruTrak seems > like a wasted hole in the > panel to me? > > But the comparison report was very useful. I would > say the biggest down side > of the Navaid is the wait time. > > w > > > > Contributions of > any other form > > latest messages. > other List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/search > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Subject: Re: Falcon/wultrade -> Navaid
Date: Aug 15, 2002
> I went through three of the Falcon TC's from Vans, and gave up. They would > just stop working or start turning randomly on flat ground not moving. > > I now have a Navaid and it works prefectly. If the GPS course turn is more > than about 30degs it takes a few oscillations to return to low cross track > error. I have it fed from either my GPS/COM 190 or my VAL VOR/ILS. The gps > is more accurate in terms of flying a straight line, the VOR wanders back > and forth slightly. It is very easy to program in all the way points for an > approach, and the darned thing flies it perfectly--- (In VFR conditions of > course) > > 10.5 hours each way from SEE to OSH, having the Navaid do most of the work > was a blessing. It is also a way cool instrument if you find yourself > inadvertantly in a cloud. > > The trim control, when in course mode, allows you to offset your trak either > way. This is very useful when your GPS is trying to drive you through the > side of Mt. Shasta. When you are past it can then be set back to the > original track very easily. > > Not having the TC display like the TruTrak seems like a wasted hole in the > panel to me? I would agree with all of Wheeler's comments above but add a trick for Navaid users: when you approach a way point use the trim knob to offset your course to the inside of the turn just a bit. Do this and it reduces/eliminates the oscillations (which aren't too bad anyway all things considered). To those who commented that an autopilot isn't needed in an RV: of course you're right. BUT, being able to take a couple of minutes to look at charts, check your Flight Guide or a manual, is VERY helpful in staying ahead of the workload. Since RVs are so slippery you can change altitude or direction very quickly when you're not watching 100% of the time. FWIW, Randy Lervold RV-8, 234 hrs, happy Navaid owner/user www.rv-8.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George McNutt" <gmcnutt(at)intergate.ca>
Subject: Narco Nav 122D
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: RV-List: Narco Nav 122D Does anyone on the list have and first / second hand info on this unit? From the looks of this receiver, it should be the easiest and cheapest method of adding VOR-LOC and GS capability to my -6A. I do remember very bad reports a few years back regarding Narco and their products. As this is a relatively new product, I'm just wondering what experiences others may have had prior to dropping almost 3K on it. Any suggestions on a dealer? Thanks in advance, Scott Gesele N506RV 500hrs ----------------------------------------------- Hi Scott I am using the Narco Nav122D in my 6A and it is working well. I had planned on using the VAL unit because it has a marker beacon reciever and is less costly, however VAL's production dates slipped way behind and I couldn't wait. Check VAL's website for info on their unit, think they are in Yeller pages. George McNutt Langley, B.C. 6A- 65hrs ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson(at)mcleodusa.net>
Subject: Re: Schroth seatbelts
I just went to Simpson website. Their restraint systems are great looking. That made up my mind. I also like the Pacific Aero belts, they are great belts with great price.... Phil "Frazier, Vincent A" wrote: > > Schroth or Hooker seatbelts? Why? Simpson sells 5 way camlock belts for only $180. They are the highest price belt in their catalog. > > They also have 3" webbing 5 point standard latch for $95 or 2" webbed 5 point belts for $60. > > All available in red, blue, or black. If you can't find the belt you need in their catalog, something is wrong. > > I have the 3" webbing 5 point standard latch for $95 and they are fine. If you're not doing any acro, the 2" stuff would be fine too. > > www.simpsonraceproducts.com > > Vince Frazier > > 1946 Stinson, NC97535, flying > F-1H Rocket, "Six Shooter", N540VF reserved, > canopy installation stage > http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Flylow38(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: USED CHUTES FOR SALE
2 Pilot Emergency Chutes For Sale. Used in my RV4 for 6 months. Very compact. > Chute 1 is a Red 26' foot Micro Softie with Quick release buckles.$750.00 MFG. June-1988 it is a STRONG Mid Lite 26' canopy The container is a Micro Softie and was MFG. May 1989. It was used a few times in 1993 but thats about it except for my occasional use last year. > Chute 2 is a Blue with red trim National backpack 360 with sheepskin padding. The National 360 was MFG. Dec. 1985. 24' Phantom Canopy. > $575.00 Both chutes were repacked last year and are in excellent condition. > Located in Southern California. I Paid $1450.00 for both, I will sell for $1200.00 > Contact Will Whiteside 818-359-1106 whiteside(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cole, Ed" <Ed_Cole(at)maximhq.com>
Subject: USED CHUTES FOR SALE
Date: Aug 15, 2002
This reminds me of the sign I saw at the airport. For Sale: Parachute; used once, never opened, small stain. 8 ) Ed Cole > -----Original Message----- > From: Flylow38(at)aol.com [SMTP:Flylow38(at)aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:17 PM > To: rv6-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: USED CHUTES FOR SALE > > > 2 Pilot Emergency Chutes For Sale. Used in my RV4 for 6 months. Very > compact. > > Chute 1 is a Red 26' foot Micro Softie with Quick release > buckles.$750.00 > MFG. June-1988 it is a STRONG Mid Lite 26' canopy > The container is a Micro Softie and was MFG. May 1989. It was used a few > times in 1993 but thats about it except for my occasional use last year. > > > Chute 2 is a Blue with red trim National backpack 360 with sheepskin > padding. > The National 360 was MFG. Dec. 1985. 24' Phantom Canopy. > > $575.00 > Both chutes were repacked last year and are in excellent > condition. > > Located in Southern California. I Paid $1450.00 for both, I will sell > for > $1200.00 > > Contact Will Whiteside 818-359-1106 whiteside(at)aol.com > > > > > Maxim Home Page: http://www.maxim-ic.com Products Page: http://www.maxim-ic.com/MaximProducts/products.htm New Products: http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/new_products.cfm Datasheets: http://dbserv.maxim-ic.com/l_datasheet3.cfm The information contained in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or reproduction is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Flylow38(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: Re: USED CHUTES FOR SALE
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Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: Earl Fortner <efortner(at)vnet.net>
Subject: Re: Narco Nav 122D
I have Narco Mark 12 D transceivers and other electronics in my plane. Sometime back Narco discontinued their dealer warranty stations and everything had to ship to the factory for warranty work. I think this turned a lot of folks against Narco. I have had my plane for about ten years and had to send one of the transceivers to Narco for repair. It required a diode and one IC. Repair charge was around $330.00 which I thought a little steep for a transceiver repair but I guess anything attached to an airplane is overpriced when you have to pay for it. Other than that they have worked flawless and I am very pleased with the product. The other downside is they will not sell you a service manuel for their products. At least that used to be the case. Earl RV4 sgesele(at)yahoo.com wrote: > > Does anyone on the list have and first / second hand > info on this unit? From the looks of this receiver, > it should be the easiest and cheapest method of adding > VOR-LOC and GS capability to my -6A. I do remember > very bad reports a few years back regarding Narco and > their products. As this is a relatively new product, > I'm just wondering what experiences others may have > had prior to dropping almost 3K on it. Any > suggestions on a dealer? > > Thanks in advance, > > Scott Gesele > N506RV 500hrs > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Kitz" <JKITZ1(at)columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Log Book Entry Question
Date: Aug 15, 2002
The Feds are not all in agreement here. In meetings with the Feds setting up my inspection and paperwork, the guy told me to prepare three(3) logs, engine, prop, and airframe. After purchasing them and filling them out, when they came down for the inspection, the older and more experienced person said " Why do you have three (3) logs"? I explained his helper told me too. He said "Get rid of two(2) of them. You can put everything in one(1)". So for the past six(6) years, I have happily put everything in one book. The Columbus FSDO still does that. John Kitz N721JK Ohio > > Exhaust change goes into the airframe logbook, not that it really matters > much. If it goes with the > engine then its a engine logbook entry. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "S. D. & D. D." <durosset(at)fidnet.com>
Subject: Narco Nav 122D
Date: Aug 15, 2002
I have sent 2 720 comms and a handheld back to Narco for repairs (since they do not support local field technician repairs) The two comms went in together, got 1 comm back repaired with a $500+ bill, the other was estimated at over at over $800 to repair and a $75 bill for the estimate on the second. The hand held was sent in 4 or 5 years ago and got it back pronounced dead. One for three does not make for a good investment! I know my future radio purchases will have another name on them. That is my humble experience and opinion. Do not archieve. Darryl DuRossette RV3 still in many unriveted parts MO1 in Missouri -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of George McNutt Subject: RE: RV-List: Narco Nav 122D Subject: RV-List: Narco Nav 122D Does anyone on the list have and first / second hand info on this unit? From the looks of this receiver, it should be the easiest and cheapest method of adding VOR-LOC and GS capability to my -6A. I do remember very bad reports a few years back regarding Narco and their products. As this is a relatively new product, I'm just wondering what experiences others may have had prior to dropping almost 3K on it. Any suggestions on a dealer? Thanks in advance, Scott Gesele N506RV 500hrs ----------------------------------------------- Hi Scott I am using the Narco Nav122D in my 6A and it is working well. I had planned on using the VAL unit because it has a marker beacon reciever and is less costly, however VAL's production dates slipped way behind and I couldn't wait. Check VAL's website for info on their unit, think they are in Yeller pages. George McNutt Langley, B.C. 6A- 65hrs ________________________________________________________________________________
From: PSILeD(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: Re: RV8-List: cockpit color
Dan, I am very interested in the process you have described. I would like the numbers of the paint and I will try it on some scrap to see the finished item. Thanks Paul LeDoux s/n 81375 N9NM reserved ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid compa
rison
Date: Aug 15, 2002
How difficult would it be for some really smart person to make a widget that converts the RS232 (?) from the handheld GPSs to ARINC 429 so a handheld could be coupled to the TruTrak? Is that different than what the Porcine product does? - Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Meier, George > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:40 PM > To: 'rv-list(at)matronics.com' > Subject: RE: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and > Navaid compa rison > > > --> > > Just what is ARINC 429? > > ARINC 429 is just a standard Aircraft Serial Data Bus. It is > either 12.5 or 100 thousand bits per second. > > ARINC stands for Aeronautical Radio Incorporated. > > George Meier > > RV6A - wings > > > ========== > ========== > ========== > ========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: PSILeD(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: Re: RV8-List: cockpit color
oops, s/n is 81735, just got back from a trip and the brain is tired. Apologies to real 81375 Paul ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Flylow38(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: 2 Parachutes for sale Used in RV4
2 Pilot Emergency Chutes For Sale. Used in my RV4 for 6 months. Very compact. > Chute 1 is a Red 26' foot Micro Softie with Quick release buckles.$750.00 MFG. June-1988 it is a STRONG Mid Lite 26' canopy The container is a Micro Softie and was MFG. May 1989. It was used a few times in 1993 but thats about it except for my occasional use last year. > Chute 2 is a Blue with red trim National backpack 360 with sheepskin padding. The National 360 was MFG. Dec. 1985. 24' Phantom Canopy. > $575.00 Both chutes were repacked last year and are in excellent condition. > Located in Southern California. I Paid $1450.00 for both, I will sell for $1200.00 > Contact Will Whiteside 818-359-1106 whiteside(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Flylow38(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: Parachutes for sale Used in my RV4
2 Pilot Emergency Chutes For Sale. Used in my RV4 for 6 months. Very compact. > Chute 1 is a Red 26' foot Micro Softie with Quick release buckles.$750.00 MFG. June-1988 it is a STRONG Mid Lite 26' canopy The container is a Micro Softie and was MFG. May 1989. It was used a few times in 1993 but thats about it except for my occasional use last year. > Chute 2 is a Blue with red trim National backpack 360 with sheepskin padding. The National 360 was MFG. Dec. 1985. 24' Phantom Canopy. > $575.00 Both chutes were repacked last year and are in excellent condition. > Located in Southern California. I Paid $1450.00 for both, I will sell for $1200.00 > Contact Will Whiteside 818-359-1106 whiteside(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Flylow38(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: 2 Parachutes for sale used in RV4
2 Pilot Emergency Chutes For Sale. Used in my RV4 for 6 months. Very compact. > Chute 1 is a Red 26' foot Micro Softie with Quick release buckles.$750.00 MFG. June-1988 it is a STRONG Mid Lite 26' canopy The container is a Micro Softie and was MFG. May 1989. It was used a few times in 1993 but thats about it except for my occasional use last year. > Chute 2 is a Blue with red trim National backpack 360 with sheepskin padding. The National 360 was MFG. Dec. 1985. 24' Phantom Canopy. > $575.00 Both chutes were repacked last year and are in excellent condition. > Located in Southern California. I Paid $1450.00 for both, I will sell for $1200.00 > Contact Will Whiteside 818-359-1106 whiteside(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: Mark Schrimmer <mschrimmer(at)pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: cockpit color
what ever color you go with, make sure you can buy it in a spraycan for quick touch ups. Can anybody recommend a paint that comes in spray cans that is durable enough to resist scuffs, scratches, etc. Mark Schrimmer RV-9A Wings Irvine, CA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Lewis" <timrv6a(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: Narco Nav 122D
I "third" the comments on Narco. I had a Narco VOR in my old Grumman. Lots of technical trouble, and company repair policys hostile to local avionics shops. No Narco, No JPI in my RV. Tim Lewis RV-6A N47TD On 15 Aug 2002, at 15:06, Stein Bruch wrote: From: "Stein Bruch" <stein(at)steinair.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: Narco Nav 122D Send reply to: rv-list(at)matronics.com > > I second that! I have a Narco MK12D+ w/ G/S and an IDME891 > VOR/LOC/GS/DME/MKR guage. While the whole setup was very affordable, > and looks great, I too have had tons of bad phone calls/service issues > with Narco. I needed to buy a bunch of "parts, pins, connectors, > etc.." from them and it was hell. They are absolutely the worst > company as far as customer service goes. I too have vowed that my > next plane will have NO Narco in it. I like the stuff, but don't like > the company. > > I usually never blast a company, and give them at least 3 tried > talking to at least 3 different people before I make a judgement, but > I've had it. > > Did you know that the manuals you get from Narco (Install, User, > etc..) are all just photocopied?? They charge you a pile of money, and > the manuals are crap. The schematics actually have a few hand > scribbled notes on them. > > Compare this with the Garmin and King stuff that I have. They are > first rate! Imagine, Garmin actually let you download the manuals > from the web, FREE! > > Anyway, I'll let you make up you own opinion, but IMHO there are a lot > of other options when doing a panel. > > Cheers, > Stein Bruch. > RV6, Minneapolis > Painting....stilll > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of JTAnon(at)aol.com > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Narco Nav 122D > > > > I own a 1971 Grumman AA1A which has all Narco stuff (com, transponder, > and an earlier version of the nav/glidescope unit you mentioned) > > My complaint with Narco is service. The work takes forever to do, and > they won't let anyone else do the service work. > > When my RV7A is ready for avionics, none of them will be from Narco > > John McDonnell RV7A (Fuse) > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > List members. > http://www.matronics.com/ > == > > > > ****** Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) RV-6A N47TD - First Flight 18 Dec 99 http://www.geocities.com/timrv6a ****** ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: Charlie and Tupper England <cengland(at)netdoor.com>
Subject: Re: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid
compa rison Larry Bowen wrote: > > > How difficult would it be for some really smart person to make a widget > that converts the RS232 (?) from the handheld GPSs to ARINC 429 so a > handheld could be coupled to the TruTrak? Is that different than what > the Porcine product does? > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry(at)BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > According to the guy from Trutrak, it uses GPS ground track (Shown as a compass direction) information & holds that preset ground track. If I understand it correctly, the Porcine product uses *course deviation* (left/right of course) info from the GPS & converts that to an analog signal usable by the autopilot. Think of looking at the GPS's digital 'ground track' or 'course over ground' number & maintaining that number, vs looking at the GPS's course deviation display & keeping that centered. Different information, all imbedded the digital data stream coming out of the GPS. The higher dollar stuff from Trutrak does use GPS course info & can fly a course. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Unloading Quick Build
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Got a question from a friend. He is having a Quick Build RV being delivered. The shippping company wants him to have a forklift to unload the 8' X 8' X 16' 900 pound crate. It is going to cost an extra $250. For those that have had their quick build delivered, did you pay the extra $250 for the forklift or how did you unload the crate from the truck? I guess one option would be to rent a truck and go pick up the crate at the shipping company dock but that is another expense to rent the truck. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,159 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KBoatri144(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: Re: cockpit color
In a message dated 8/15/02 9:03:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mschrimmer(at)pacbell.net writes: << Can anybody recommend a paint that comes in spray cans that is durable enough to resist scuffs, scratches, etc. Mark Schrimmer RV-9A Wings Irvine, CA >> I've asked that question on the list before. Also, I tested every "name" brand of spraypaint I could find when I was looking for interior paint. My trials (and the feedback I got) told me that there is no rattle can paint that is as tough as the catalyzed paints you can run through a spray gun. That said, my best test pieces came from Rustoleum sprayed over practically any primer. The key seemed to be whether I was willing to wait a week, maybe two for the Rustoleum to fully cure. It remains very soft for the first few days. In the end, I used Imron on the interior of my plane, but selected a color I could match from a spray can. I've been happy so far. Kyle Boatright 0-320/Aymar Demuth RV-6 Slider Kennesaw, GA http://www.angelfire.com/my/rv6 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Glenn Gordon" <dirtyrottenscoundrels(at)attbi.com>
Subject: High Fuel Pressure
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Hello, On a flight this evening I started getting a high fuel pressure reading on the Electronics Intl. FP-5L fuel pressure gauge. Reading was about 7.8. When I pulled the throttle back, the pressure went up to about 8.4. Turning on the aux pump produced a .2 rise. The problem may be high fuel pressure, or it may be a bad transducer or gauge. Assuming the transducer and gauge are working properly, what would cause high fuel pressure? -Glenn Gordon N442E 55 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
From: JTAnon(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: Re: Unloading Quick Build
Been there, done that, the boxes are BIG. In my humble opinion (saving you the telling of my nightmare story which involved a breakdown of the first rental truck, a fight with the truck rental company over a replacement, and a process which ultimately took 20 hours) your best bet is to: 1) Have the kit delivered to the truck depot 2) Hire a flatbed towtruck to pick it up 3) Watch (with a beer in your hand) as the skilled operator of said tow truck slides that 800 lb box anywhere you want it to go. Keep in mind that you are most likely already paying extra to have it delivered direct to your location. John McDonnell (RV7A QB) Fuse ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 15, 2002
Subject: Re; Rv-4 List:Flaps
Standard practice is for plans to show left hand items and right hand item is mirror image. Van's plans are thus. Bob n' Lu Olds RV-4 , N1191X Charleston,Arkansas oldsfolks(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: Frank Dombroski <f_dombroski(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: C1C Sump on 180 HP O-360 RV-8
Has anyone installed the C1C sump with front intake mods on the RV-8? Photos of install? Throttle and mixture cable brackets? Thanks Frank D -8 finishing --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot(at)extremezone.com>
Subject: Re: Unloading Quick Build
Date: Aug 15, 2002
I had it delivered to the terminal. The rates are much less when it goes directly to the terminal. Then I rented a $50 Uhaul (27 foot) and drove accross town to pick it up. They loaded it in the Uhaul for me. Then I broke the crate down inside the truck and unloaded it all in the garage. I like the flatbed tow truck idea, but if the terminal is far from where it is going, a tow truck can be quite expensive. Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com> Subject: RV-List: Unloading Quick Build > > Got a question from a friend. He is having a Quick Build RV being > delivered. The shippping company wants him to have a forklift to unload the > 8' X 8' X 16' 900 pound crate. It is going to cost an extra $250. For > those that have had their quick build delivered, did you pay the extra $250 > for the forklift or how did you unload the crate from the truck? > > I guess one option would be to rent a truck and go pick up the crate at the > shipping company dock but that is another expense to rent the truck. > > > Gary A. Sobek > "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, > 1,159 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA > http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: JusCash(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Subject: Re: Unloading Quick Build
Or you could rent a car haul trailer for about $15.00 for four hours. The trailer would put the box much closer to the ground for unloading. Cash Copeland RV6 Hayward,Ca > > > > I had it delivered to the terminal. The rates are much less when it goes > directly to the terminal. Then I rented a $50 Uhaul (27 foot) and drove > accross town to pick it up. They loaded it in the Uhaul for me. Then I > broke the crate down inside the truck and unloaded it all in the garage. > > I like the flatbed tow truck idea, but if the terminal is far from where it > is going, a tow truck can be quite expensive. > > Paul Besing > RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10) > http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing > Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software > http://www.kitlog.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com> > To: ; > Subject: RV-List: Unloading Quick Build > > > > > > Got a question from a friend. He is having a Quick Build RV being > > delivered. The shippping company wants him to have a forklift to unload > the > > 8' X 8' X 16' 900 pound crate. It is going to cost an extra $250. For > > those that have had their quick build delivered, did you pay the extra > $250 > > for the forklift or how did you unload the crate from the truck? > > > > I guess one option would be to rent a truck and go pick up the crate at > the > > shipping company dock but that is another expense to rent the truck. > > > > > > Gary A. Sobek > > "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, > > 1,159 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA > > http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2002
From: kempthornes <kempthornes(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Narco Nav 122D
> >I "third" the comments on Narco. I had a Narco VOR in my old AI guess I have been unusually lucky as I have a full panel of Narco with almost no troubles in ten years! My Debonair (for sale) has a Com 810 and a Nav 825 which were in it when I bought it in '92. They have performed flawlessly since. Naturally I thought them much better than the many club planes I'd flown which had constantly failing King stuff. I added a Narco transponder which now needs to be jiggled on occasion and a Mk 12D which sometimes has trouble understanding my dial moves - Narco tech said about $200 to fix. The transponder was installed by idiots posing as a FAA certified avionics shop. It may be that the chunk of rubber hose that they stuffed in between the airframe and the transponder to keep it from bouncing around affected the unit. Much easier to do than a proper bracket and how is the stupid customer ever to know? My RV6a has an ICOM A200 com and no nav radios yet. Maybe I'll get a good mount for my Skyforce GPS and a collectible VOR unit. Now that I am retired, I have little need of flying ice, ILS, night etc. K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne RV6-a N7HK flying! PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Subject: Re: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
From: czechsix(at)juno.com
Hi Randy, I think it depends on priorities and the type of flying you do....you state that you feel for you it would be a "major hassle" to have to "reset" the autopilot at each waypoint. For me I just don't see this as a major hassle....how often do you change course during typical flying? If I change course every 20-30 min on a XC flight, and the course change is typically not much more than 5-10 deg, it seems very simple to me to just bump the button on the Digitrak a few times to the new course. The Digitrak's advantages of being more compact, lighter weight, and solid-state digital (more precise and less prone to wear out in 1000 hours) far outweigh the convenience of the Navaid's ability to follow course changes at waypoints for me. For you this feature of the Navaid is of significant importance, you don't mind having to periodically replace/repair the mechanical gyro, and you are happy with it, so that's great... --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finishing with as much solid state stuff as possible....Digitrak....Dynon (hopefully)....etc... From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison No, you need to reset it at each waypoint. I personally have a Navaid in my RV-8 which has worked perfectly since day one. It provides unbelieveable functionality, especially for the money. I know there's been a lot of noise about the Trutrak systems but frankly I can't figure it out... the Navaid does more of the real world things we do when we fly a typical flight plan. Yes, it has a mechanical gyro, so what? If I have to send it back after 1-2,000 flight hours who cares? Get a Navaid, hook it up to a GPS, put in a few way points, and watch it fly the course... it's magic, and all for $1,450. Resetting the autopilot at each waypoint sounds like a major hassle, and who wants to pay attention to the exact course... just set the GPS to go where you want and the Navaid will follow. I guess I'm slow, I just don't see the advantage of the Trutrak. Randy Lervold RV-8, 236 hrs, Navaid slaved to Garmin GPSMAP 295 and lovin it www.rv-8.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com>

Subject: Dimple aileron nose skin
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Ok, you countersink the holes in the galvanized pipe...but how do you dimple the respective holes in the aileron nose skin? Or do you bother? The plans call for countersunk CS4-4 rivets in those holes, but I can't figure out how to get the skin holes dimpled properly. I fear that if I use the C-frame it will leave major smiles around the holes since the curve is pretty sharp. How have you dealt with this? Does pulling the rivet dimple the .020 as it compresses? Haven't asked Van's yet...it's just after midnight, figured somebody out there in list-land is listening. )_( Dan dan @ rvproject . com http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein(at)steinair.com>
Subject: Dimple aileron nose skin
Date: Aug 16, 2002
You're almost exactly right! With the rivet in the puller, just "tap" it a couple of times and you'll see the dimple magically appear. By the time you pull the rivet, the dimple will be fine. After the rivet is pulled, be sure to gently "tap" around the head of the rivet to make it match the sharp curve of the aileron pipe. In the end your dimples and rivets will look just fine! Cheers, Stein Bruch RV6, Minneapolis, Just finished priming the fuse tonight! -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway RV7and7A(at)yahoogroups.com Subject: RV-List: Dimple aileron nose skin Ok, you countersink the holes in the galvanized pipe...but how do you dimple the respective holes in the aileron nose skin? Or do you bother? The plans call for countersunk CS4-4 rivets in those holes, but I can't figure out how to get the skin holes dimpled properly. I fear that if I use the C-frame it will leave major smiles around the holes since the curve is pretty sharp. How have you dealt with this? Does pulling the rivet dimple the .020 as it compresses? Haven't asked Van's yet...it's just after midnight, figured somebody out there in list-land is listening. )_( Dan dan @ rvproject . com http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Subject: RE: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
From: czechsix(at)juno.com
Larry, Not sure what you are asking here? The Digitrak receives information from a GPS (either handheld or panel mount) via an RS232 serial bus in NMEA format. It doesn't need to be converted to ARINC 429 in order to be coupled to a handheld GPS, and in fact would not work if you did this. Perhaps the other more expensive Trutrak autopilots use ARINC but not that I'm aware of....? --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finishing.... _______ From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison How difficult would it be for some really smart person to make a widget that converts the RS232 (?) from the handheld GPSs to ARINC 429 so a handheld could be coupled to the TruTrak? Is that different than what the Porcine product does? - Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Subject: Re: Falcon/wultrade -> Navaid
From: czechsix(at)juno.com
Yes but Randy, if you are going to reach up to your panel when approaching a waypoint and use the trim knob on the Navaid to offset your course for the turn, is that really any more hassle than reaching up and slewing the heading a few degrees as you would do on the Digitrak? Seems sorta six to one, half a dozen the other to me... BTW, as a side comment, the Digitrak reportedly doesn't have the problem with oscillations that the Navaid seems prone to (unless using a handheld GPS that outputs GPS data at much slower rate than panel mounts....but slow data rates will affect any autopilot and are not a design deficiency on the part of Trutrak). --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finishing eternally.... _______ From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com> Subject: Re: Falcon/wultrade -> Navaid I would agree with all of Wheeler's comments above but add a trick for Navaid users: when you approach a way point use the trim knob to offset your course to the inside of the turn just a bit. Do this and it reduces/eliminates the oscillations (which aren't too bad anyway all things considered). FWIW, Randy Lervold RV-8, 234 hrs, happy Navaid owner/user www.rv-8.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Subject: Re: cockpit color
From: czechsix(at)juno.com
Mark, I've been using Rustoleum Industrial grade paint in their Dark Machine Grey color. Comes in a large silver rattle can. As someone else pointed out one downside to Rustoleum is it takes a while to dry completely especially when it's cold. During fall/winter/spring I usually put a heat lamp near the parts for a day or two to help them dry. Advantages to Rustoleum are that it's cheap, convenient, easy to touch up later, and once dry is really pretty tough. I know some local builders flying for some time now with Rustoleum painted cockpits and their paint is holding up quite well... --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finishing _______ From: Mark Schrimmer <mschrimmer(at)pacbell.net> Subject: RV-List: Re: cockpit color what ever color you go with, make sure you can buy it in a spraycan for quick touch ups. Can anybody recommend a paint that comes in spray cans that is durable enough to resist scuffs, scratches, etc. Mark Schrimmer RV-9A Wings Irvine, CA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ewinne(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Subject: Unloading a QB
Gary and all- I got my 9 fuse as a QB and here's how I did it mself (no helpers); I rented a big (24') U-haul. This truck has a feature where it "squats" when you push a button on the dash, and a ramp. I also rented two furniture dollies. When I got to the Roadway terminal, the helpful folks there used two forklifts to set the crate (4'x4'x16') on one dolly, then push it in and set it on the second dolly. I pushed it up to the front and cranked a good-quality strap around the back to tie it in. When I got it home, I squatted the truck, pulled out the ramp, and rolled the fuse off the truck single-handed, with only a little persuasion to get it over the hump. Then I rolled it into the garage. It went very well. I don't know how big the wing crate is and how much extra work they would be, but that's how I did the fuse. Ed Winne RV9A Palmyra PA Unloading Quick Build Got a question from a friend. He is having a Quick Build RV being delivered. The shippping company wants him to have a forklift to unload the 8' X 8' X 16' 900 pound crate. It is going to cost an extra $250. For those that have had their quick build delivered, did you pay the extra $250 for the forklift or how did you unload the crate from the truck? I guess one option would be to rent a truck and go pick up the crate at the shipping company dock but that is another expense to rent the truck. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
From: Kevin Horton <khorto1537(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid
comparison I suspect you would have to twiddle the track input once in a while if the leg was long, because the GPS draws a great circle leg between waypoints. The required track is not a constant, but slowly becomes more and more southerly (assuming we are in the Northern Hemisphere) as you get closer to the waypoint. It is only a few degrees track change on shorter legs mind you, so it all depends on how close you want to stay to the GPS "on course". This would be a bit like using the heading function on an autopilot to follow a GPS course, which I have done quite a few times, with an acceptably low workload. The difference is that you wouldn't be dealing with the wind variations, which cause the track to vary even if the heading doesn't, so the Trutrack system should be even better. It sure would be nice to hear from someone who actually has a flying aircraft with a Trutrack Digitrak so we could all get the real scoop instead of trying to surmise what it would be like to fly with one. :) Kevin Horton > >Hi Randy, > >I think it depends on priorities and the type of flying you do....you >state that you feel for you it would be a "major hassle" to have to >"reset" the autopilot at each waypoint. For me I just don't see this as >a major hassle....how often do you change course during typical flying? >If I change course every 20-30 min on a XC flight, and the course change >is typically not much more than 5-10 deg, it seems very simple to me to >just bump the button on the Digitrak a few times to the new course. The >Digitrak's advantages of being more compact, lighter weight, and >solid-state digital (more precise and less prone to wear out in 1000 >hours) far outweigh the convenience of the Navaid's ability to follow >course changes at waypoints for me. For you this feature of the Navaid >is of significant importance, you don't mind having to periodically >replace/repair the mechanical gyro, and you are happy with it, so that's >great... > >--Mark Navratil >Cedar Rapids, Iowa >RV-8A N2D finishing with as much solid state stuff as >possible....Digitrak....Dynon (hopefully)....etc... > >From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid >comparison > > >No, you need to reset it at each waypoint. I personally have a Navaid in >my >RV-8 which has worked perfectly since day one. It provides unbelieveable >functionality, especially for the money. I know there's been a lot of >noise >about the Trutrak systems but frankly I can't figure it out... the Navaid >does more of the real world things we do when we fly a typical flight >plan. >Yes, it has a mechanical gyro, so what? If I have to send it back after >1-2,000 flight hours who cares? Get a Navaid, hook it up to a GPS, put in >a >few way points, and watch it fly the course... it's magic, and all for >$1,450. Resetting the autopilot at each waypoint sounds like a major >hassle, >and who wants to pay attention to the exact course... just set the GPS to >go >where you want and the Navaid will follow. I guess I'm slow, I just don't >see the advantage of the Trutrak. > >Randy Lervold >RV-8, 236 hrs, Navaid slaved to Garmin GPSMAP 295 and lovin it >www.rv-8.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DJ & LM Tennant" <dltenno(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Lean running Lyc
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Hi Does anyone have any ideas why my 0-320 fixed pitch wood prop runs lean RV6 symptoms are - high egts 1600ish at 2400rpm full rich very light gray exhaust pipes Carb heat has almost no drop no increase in rpm or egt when leaning mixture at 2400rpm cruise just starts to run rough chts are good around 320f oil temps are good 180f mag timming and drops are good no induction leaks i can find carby has had single piece venturi and metal float mods done and i just tried replacing the standard discharge nozzle with a newer type atomising nozzle but made no diferance any ideas or info from people who have had simmilar problems would be a big help Dave Tennant RV6 australia 2.5hrs ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RE: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
From: "Ellis H Mcgaughy" <Ellis.H.Mcgaughy-1(at)usa.dupont.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2002
08/16/2002 08:20:26 AM THis may be a little off the subject, but I'm wondering whether I want to spend the mega bucks for dual axis autopilot. I don't have much time in RV's but they seem to be a little pitch sensitive. I have the electric elevator trim and was wondering if there is a cheaper / simple way to connect this trim servo to the auto pilot so that I also have pitch control (I know I would have to have the 2 axis unit to do this). Is all this really worth the bucks? (looking for opinions) RV7a Wings ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
From: Larry Bowen <lcbowen(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: cockpit color
I'm using the same product and color for my cockpit. I used the light machine grey for the baggage areas and underneath/behind the panel. I bought a case of each color from McMaster-Carr. It's not bullet-proof, but pretty tough with proper surface preparation. Larry Bowen --- czechsix(at)juno.com wrote: > > Mark, > > I've been using Rustoleum Industrial grade paint in their Dark Machine > Grey color. Comes in a large silver rattle can. As someone else pointed > out one downside to Rustoleum is it takes a while to dry completely > especially when it's cold. During fall/winter/spring I usually put a > heat lamp near the parts for a day or two to help them dry. Advantages > to Rustoleum are that it's cheap, convenient, easy to touch up later, and > once dry is really pretty tough. I know some local builders flying for > some time now with Rustoleum painted cockpits and their paint is holding > up quite well... > > --Mark Navratil > Cedar Rapids, Iowa > RV-8A N2D finishing > _______ > From: Mark Schrimmer <mschrimmer(at)pacbell.net> > Subject: RV-List: Re: cockpit color > > > what ever color you go with, make sure you can buy it in a spraycan for > quick touch ups. > > Can anybody recommend a paint that comes in spray cans that is durable > enough to resist scuffs, scratches, etc. > > Mark Schrimmer > RV-9A Wings > Irvine, CA > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
From: Larry Bowen <lcbowen(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
I guess I'm just asking what would it take to get the TruTrak and my Garmin handheld to talk to eachother such that it could follow multi-leg routes without pilot intervention. IE - The same functionality as the Navaid currently has. I believe the TruTrak is a superior product, but the fact that it is missing that practical feature is rather disappointing. I would think that the TruTrak folks are smart enough to make this happen. -Larry --- czechsix(at)juno.com wrote: > > Larry, > > Not sure what you are asking here? The Digitrak receives information > from a GPS (either handheld or panel mount) via an RS232 serial bus in > NMEA format. It doesn't need to be converted to ARINC 429 in order to be > coupled to a handheld GPS, and in fact would not work if you did this. > Perhaps the other more expensive Trutrak autopilots use ARINC but not > that I'm aware of....? > > --Mark Navratil > Cedar Rapids, Iowa > RV-8A N2D finishing.... > _______ > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> > Subject: RE: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid > comparison > > > How difficult would it be for some really smart person to make a widget > that converts the RS232 (?) from the handheld GPSs to ARINC 429 so a > handheld could be coupled to the TruTrak? Is that different than what > the Porcine product does? > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry(at)BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > > > > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
From: Larry Bowen <lcbowen(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
I spoke with Dick Martin and another pilot at OSH. Each had TruTraks in their RV-8s. They spoke very highly of them. Not Dick, but the other nameless guy, said his tracked a course and held alt very well. He (as well as my wife) was the one that convinced my to get the alt hold model. I ended up getting the DF200VS. It's at home waiting to be installed. -Larry --- Kevin Horton wrote: > > I suspect you would have to twiddle the track input once in a while > if the leg was long, because the GPS draws a great circle leg between > waypoints. The required track is not a constant, but slowly becomes > more and more southerly (assuming we are in the Northern Hemisphere) > as you get closer to the waypoint. It is only a few degrees track > change on shorter legs mind you, so it all depends on how close you > want to stay to the GPS "on course". > > This would be a bit like using the heading function on an autopilot > to follow a GPS course, which I have done quite a few times, with an > acceptably low workload. The difference is that you wouldn't be > dealing with the wind variations, which cause the track to vary even > if the heading doesn't, so the Trutrack system should be even better. > > It sure would be nice to hear from someone who actually has a flying > aircraft with a Trutrack Digitrak so we could all get the real scoop > instead of trying to surmise what it would be like to fly with one. > :) > > Kevin Horton > > > > > >Hi Randy, > > > >I think it depends on priorities and the type of flying you do....you > >state that you feel for you it would be a "major hassle" to have to > >"reset" the autopilot at each waypoint. For me I just don't see this as > >a major hassle....how often do you change course during typical flying? > >If I change course every 20-30 min on a XC flight, and the course change > >is typically not much more than 5-10 deg, it seems very simple to me to > >just bump the button on the Digitrak a few times to the new course. The > >Digitrak's advantages of being more compact, lighter weight, and > >solid-state digital (more precise and less prone to wear out in 1000 > >hours) far outweigh the convenience of the Navaid's ability to follow > >course changes at waypoints for me. For you this feature of the Navaid > >is of significant importance, you don't mind having to periodically > >replace/repair the mechanical gyro, and you are happy with it, so that's > >great... > > > >--Mark Navratil > >Cedar Rapids, Iowa > >RV-8A N2D finishing with as much solid state stuff as > >possible....Digitrak....Dynon (hopefully)....etc... > > > >From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com> > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid > >comparison > > > > > >No, you need to reset it at each waypoint. I personally have a Navaid in > >my > >RV-8 which has worked perfectly since day one. It provides unbelieveable > >functionality, especially for the money. I know there's been a lot of > >noise > >about the Trutrak systems but frankly I can't figure it out... the Navaid > >does more of the real world things we do when we fly a typical flight > >plan. > >Yes, it has a mechanical gyro, so what? If I have to send it back after > >1-2,000 flight hours who cares? Get a Navaid, hook it up to a GPS, put in > >a > >few way points, and watch it fly the course... it's magic, and all for > >$1,450. Resetting the autopilot at each waypoint sounds like a major > >hassle, > >and who wants to pay attention to the exact course... just set the GPS to > >go > >where you want and the Navaid will follow. I guess I'm slow, I just don't > >see the advantage of the Trutrak. > > > >Randy Lervold > >RV-8, 236 hrs, Navaid slaved to Garmin GPSMAP 295 and lovin it > >www.rv-8.com > > > > > > > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
From: sjhdcl(at)kingston.net
Subject: Re: RE: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
To get this feature you need the Digitflight 100, not Digitrak. The Naviad follows a course deviation signal which has a lot of error. In every waypoint the Navaid will overshot, compensate and eventually settle on a track. The Trutrak follows GPS to maintain a track. At each waypoint (most are far less then 20 degree changes) you simpling enter the new desired heading and your done. If you want the waypoint following feature order the $2600 Digiflight 100, if you want Altitude hole the DigiFlight 200. Steve RV7A end of fuse stuff Quoting Larry Bowen : > > I guess I'm just asking what would it take to get the TruTrak and my Garmin > handheld to talk to eachother such that it could follow multi-leg routes > without pilot intervention. IE - The same functionality as the Navaid > currently has. I believe the TruTrak is a superior product, but the fact > that > it is missing that practical feature is rather disappointing. I would > think > that the TruTrak folks are smart enough to make this happen. > > -Larry > > > --- czechsix(at)juno.com wrote: > > > > Larry, > > > > Not sure what you are asking here? The Digitrak receives information > > from a GPS (either handheld or panel mount) via an RS232 serial bus in > > NMEA format. It doesn't need to be converted to ARINC 429 in order to be > > coupled to a handheld GPS, and in fact would not work if you did this. > > Perhaps the other more expensive Trutrak autopilots use ARINC but not > > that I'm aware of....? > > > > --Mark Navratil > > Cedar Rapids, Iowa > > RV-8A N2D finishing.... > > _______ > > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> > > Subject: RE: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid > > comparison > > > > > > How difficult would it be for some really smart person to make a widget > > that converts the RS232 (?) from the handheld GPSs to ARINC 429 so a > > handheld could be coupled to the TruTrak? Is that different than what > > the Porcine product does? > > > > - > > Larry Bowen > > Larry(at)BowenAero.com > > http://BowenAero.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Besing" <azpilot(at)extremezone.com>
Subject: cockpit color/rattle cans
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Another option is if you use a high quality impact paint like Sherwin Williams Sunfire paint, you can have them mix your color into a rattle can for touch up later. Then again, the paint is so darn hard, you probably won't need it, but it's there if you do. Paul Besing RV-6A Sold (Waiting on the RV-10) http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software http://www.kitlog.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
From: Aircraft Technical Book Company <winterland(at)rkymtnhi.com>
Subject: Lancair Aerobatics
Those fast sexy Lancairs were probably the 2nd choice of many of us. Well, they may be fast but from reading the account below taken today from the Lancair list, here's one 6A driver whose sure glad he thought twice. Scary stuff. Andy I have spun my Lancair 360 ONCE. It had about one-third full tanks in the wings. I was aggravating a stall and attempting to prevent one of the wings from dropping at the time. It snapped into a spin and began rotating fast. Although I relaxed the stick immediately upon spin entry it settled into a spin instead of recovering. Once in a spin it will behave like the energizer bunner and will keep spinning ... and spinning. I used the Air Force T-37 spin recovery method to get the nose low enough to break the spin There may be other methods, but this one worked the one time I was so foolhardy as to test the plane well past the point of normal power on stall. This maneuver requires considerable altitude and consists of pulling stick back all the way to your gut, full opposite rudder to slow spin rate down as much as possible, then slam the stick to the firewall and pray that you are not spinning too flat to recover. Hold the stick on the firewall until you find yourself going into a steep dive or you feel negative g's, then recover from the dive. The spin rate will first accelerate as the plane "flies" closer to the spin axis, then if you are very lucky it will break the spin and enter into a dive. LIKE I SAID, IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU TRY ONLY ONCE IF YOU HAVE FUEL IN THE WINGS. I placarded my plane against intentional spins. Like George says, Fly the airplane -- don't spin it. Spins are uncomfortable and are not conducive to longivity. I talked to Dave Morss about this about 10 years ago. He told me it was stupid to spin this airplane with fuel in the wings. I agree. Ken Harwood, N15KH ############################################################# For archives see the LML website: http://www.lancaironline.net/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.lancaironline.net/bookstore/lancair/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Jory" <rickjory(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Unloading Quick Build
Date: Aug 16, 2002
My freight company brought the quick build with two trucks . . . both with electric lifts. They put the trucks back to back . . . slid the crate from one truck's lift to the other truck's lift (i.e. the crate spans the two lifts) . . . then lowered the crate using both lifts at the same time. This was quick, and easy, did not require a fork truck, and if memory serves me, they only charged $75 for the second truck. Rick Jory ----- Original Message ----- From: RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com> Subject: RV-List: Unloading Quick Build > > Got a question from a friend. He is having a Quick Build RV being > delivered. The shippping company wants him to have a forklift to unload the > 8' X 8' X 16' 900 pound crate. It is going to cost an extra $250. For > those that have had their quick build delivered, did you pay the extra $250 > for the forklift or how did you unload the crate from the truck? > > I guess one option would be to rent a truck and go pick up the crate at the > shipping company dock but that is another expense to rent the truck. > > > Gary A. Sobek > "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, > 1,159 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA > http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George McNutt" <gmcnutt(at)intergate.ca>
Subject: Lean running Lyc
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Hi Does anyone have any ideas why my 0-320 fixed pitch wood prop runs lean RV6 symptoms are - high egts 1600ish at 2400rpm full rich very light gray exhaust pipes Carb heat has almost no drop no increase in rpm or egt when leaning mixture at 2400rpm cruise just starts to run rough chts are good around 320f oil temps are good 180f mag timming and drops are good no induction leaks i can find carby has had single piece venturi and metal float mods done and i just tried replacing the standard discharge nozzle with a newer type atomising nozzle but made no diferance any ideas or info from people who have had simmilar problems would be a big help Dave Tennant RV6 australia 2.5hrs ---------------------------------------------------- Hi Dave Apparently the pressure in Vans efficient airbox has something to do with the lean running in RV's, I had my carb off several times for this problem. You will probably have to increase the size of the carb jet by drilling it to a larger size. My 0-320 carb jet was equivalent in size to a #42 drill bit. I increased it to #40 and finally to a #38. Search the RV-list archives and you will find a lot of information on this subject. George McNutt Langley, B.C. Canada 6A-65hrs. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
From: P M Condon <pcondon(at)mitre.org>
Subject: RV-4 Fuel Line Routing Help
I used a 120 degree fitting to " S " my way to the fuel pump. Got the 120 degree AN fitting from Earls and it was of the same "ilk" or design of Vans fittings and asswmbled lust like the straight and 90 degree Vans fittings. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
From: glen j matejcek <aerobubba(at)compuserve.com>
Subject: Unloading Quick Build
I had my QB delivered to the terminal. I enlisted a friend with a Bronco and a long, low open trailer. The terminal loaded the crates on the trailer, and my freind and I rolled them off the trailer and into my garage using 3 and 4 inch dia rollers. It was VERY easy. I don't think the crates were nearly as heavy as were advertised. It's amazing the work you can hire out for lunch and a couple beers.... Glen Matejcek 8QB soon on gear ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michel Boucher" <michelboucher594(at)rogers.com>
Subject: RE: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison
Date: Aug 16, 2002
The RV is very solid in pitch control, I have more than 1,100 hrs in the RV3 with many flights of 3 hrs and never really felt I needed help in Altitude control. But the roll will get away on you if you don't pay attention. Unless you really want the toys, keep it light and simple, you can add it later on. My 3 was basic VFR no Gyros when it was born in 1983. It became Night IFR equipped with time and need. I am now building an RV8 that will be IFR and the RV3 is going back to basics. Michel Boucher RV8 Finishing -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ellis H Mcgaughy Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid comparison THis may be a little off the subject, but I'm wondering whether I want to spend the mega bucks for dual axis autopilot. I don't have much time in RV's but they seem to be a little pitch sensitive. I have the electric elevator trim and was wondering if there is a cheaper / simple way to connect this trim servo to the auto pilot so that I also have pitch control (I know I would have to have the 2 axis unit to do this). Is all this really worth the bucks? (looking for opinions) RV7a Wings ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
From: P M Condon <pcondon(at)mitre.org>
Subject: A1A Sump for 180HP 360 & 200HP 360 for sale
Sorry to use the list as a sale board, but the A1A sump is a needed item for some of us RV-ers. I have a AIA sump I purchased 2 years ago for 895$ for my RV engine. I have since purchased a O-540-C4B5 6 for either a rocket or rv-10 project. Anyway, I can sell the AIA sump for what I have in it. If anything else, it will keep my wife from pointing to it ever so often and saying...."Is this that engine thingy you HAD to have, and now aren't using now..." pcondon(at)mitre.org ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)glasair.org>
Subject: A1A Sump for 180HP 360 & 200HP 360 for sale
Date: Aug 16, 2002
In situations like that I usually point to the closet and say, 'Is that the mink coat you HAD to have but never wear....' Bruce www.glasair.org If anything else, it will keep my wife from pointing to it ever so often and saying...."Is this that engine thingy you HAD to have, and now aren't using now..." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
From: Jaye and Scott Jackson <jayeandscott(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Narco Nav 122D
Apparently surface mount technology, gold-plated contacts, and metal instead of plastic gears make this a much better unit than the old 122 Scott in Vancouver Hoping for first flight today! ----- Original Message ----- From: "George McNutt" <gmcnutt(at)intergate.ca> Subject: RE: RV-List: Narco Nav 122D > > > Subject: RV-List: Narco Nav 122D > > > Does anyone on the list have and first / second hand > info on this unit? From the looks of this receiver, > it should be the easiest and cheapest method of adding > VOR-LOC and GS capability to my -6A. I do remember > very bad reports a few years back regarding Narco and > their products. As this is a relatively new product, > I'm just wondering what experiences others may have > had prior to dropping almost 3K on it. Any > suggestions on a dealer? > > Thanks in advance, > > Scott Gesele > N506RV 500hrs > > ----------------------------------------------- > > Hi Scott > > I am using the Narco Nav122D in my 6A and it is working well. > I had planned on using the VAL unit because it has a marker beacon reciever > and is less costly, however VAL's production dates slipped way behind and I > couldn't wait. Check VAL's website for info on their unit, think they are in > Yeller pages. > > George McNutt > Langley, B.C. > 6A- 65hrs > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Imfairings(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Subject: Re: Filling pin holes in any laminate
Here we go again about those damn little holes that are a pain in the part we set on. All laminates have pin holes because little bits of air get trapped in the resin as we lay up the part. They are even trapped in the weave of the fabric threads, this is more prevelant in laminates that are vacuum formed. The fix. Two things are important. One, as you work the chosen goo into the holes, be sure to work back and forth. As you sweep left to right the goo sticks on the right side of the hole, as you sweep right to left the goo sticks on the left side of the hole. Walah, a filled hole [we hope]. Two, sand easy. If you sand into the laminate, you WILL uncover more holes because there are holes lerking in the resin just under the surface. The Goo. I like a product called Evercoat. They have a body putty that is for laminates and a thinner material that is for filling pin holes. These products cure fast, sanding time is about an hour, they sand easy [nothing sands easy] and are light. Available at your local auto paint store, probibly. Another trick. Use your primer. If it isn't thick let it stand open, not the whole gallon, just what you will need, and it will thicken in time. Then brush or squegee it on. A sandable or high build primer is best. As you work just think of all the wonderful experiance you are getting. You might even get so lucky that someday you can say to the grandkids "why, when I was a boy......." Bob Fairings-Etc ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Carter" <dcarter(at)datarecall.net>
Subject: Re: Unloading Quick Build
Date: Aug 16, 2002
John McDonnell's advice is exactly what I did - ship to terminal, paid $60 for a flat bed tow truck - they slid the two boxes (RV-6 QB) off dock onto tow truck, I led him to my home, he tipped his flatbed and the two of us slid the boxes right into my garage/shop. The key is: The boxes slide pretty well once they start moving, so you can position them without a fork lift. David Carter ----- Original Message ----- From: <JTAnon(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: Unloading Quick Build > > Been there, done that, the boxes are BIG. > > In my humble opinion (saving you the telling of my nightmare story which > involved a breakdown of the first rental truck, a fight with the truck rental > company over a replacement, and a process which ultimately took 20 hours) > your best bet is to: > 1) Have the kit delivered to the truck depot > 2) Hire a flatbed towtruck to pick it up > 3) Watch (with a beer in your hand) as the skilled operator of said tow > truck slides that 800 lb box anywhere you want it to go. > > Keep in mind that you are most likely already paying extra to have it > delivered direct to your location. > > John McDonnell (RV7A QB) Fuse > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <karpinski(at)baldcom.net>
Subject: New Builde: r Priming Question
Date: Aug 16, 2002
The Journey Begins.. Hi All.. New builder.. RV-8QB.. About to prime the HS components.. Have Aluminiprep & Anodine the spars.. Ribs.. etc..... Ready to use 2 Part Akzo epoxy primer.. Question Is: Do I need to also Prep/Anodine & Prime inside Surfaces of the Skins ?? Al Karpinski ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <karpinski(at)baldcom.net>
Subject: A1A Sump for 180HP 360 & 200HP 360 for sale
Date: Aug 16, 2002
_________________________ Al Karpinski Laser Diode Array Inc. 110 Genesee Street Auburn, NY 13021 Phone: 315-253-8292 Fax: 315-253-6368 Home: 315-689-0094 karpinski(at)ldai.com www.ldai.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of P M Condon Subject: RV-List: A1A Sump for 180HP 360 & 200HP 360 for sale Sorry to use the list as a sale board, but the A1A sump is a needed item for some of us RV-ers. I have a AIA sump I purchased 2 years ago for 895$ for my RV engine. I have since purchased a O-540-C4B5 6 for either a rocket or rv-10 project. Anyway, I can sell the AIA sump for what I have in it. If anything else, it will keep my wife from pointing to it ever so often and saying...."Is this that engine thingy you HAD to have, and now aren't using now..." pcondon(at)mitre.org ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Subject: Re: New Builde: r Priming Question
In a message dated 8/16/2002 9:32:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, karpinski(at)baldcom.net writes: > The Journey Begins.. Hi All.. New builder.. RV-8QB.. > > About to prime the HS components.. Have Aluminiprep & Anodine the > spars.. Ribs.. etc..... > > Ready to use 2 Part Akzo epoxy primer.. > > > Question Is: > > Do I need to also Prep/Anodine & Prime inside Surfaces of the Skins ?? > > > Al Karpinski > > > It most certainly would not hurt ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <karpinski(at)baldcom.net>
Subject: New Builder: Priming Question
Date: Aug 16, 2002
The Journey Begins.. Hi All.. New builder.. RV-8QB.. About to prime the HS components.. Have Alumiprep & Anodine the spars.. Ribs.. etc..... Ready to use 2 Part Akzo epoxy primer.. Question Is: Do I need to also Prep/Anodine & Prime inside Surfaces of the Skins ?? Thanks Al Karpinski ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2002
From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid
comparison First I have a Navaid and love it, I've had it for about the last 700 hours and it has performed flawlessly from day one. The only adjustment I have ever made to it was to tighten the clutches in the servo a tad. I think that there is a lot of agonizing over who has the best unit and whose features are better. What you well probably find as an RV pilot is that a whole lot of your flying well be local hops, going out for breakfast, going over to the next airport to see your buddies etc. Most of this type of flying you well not even use an autopilot/wingleveler. even on long cross countries I still like to fly my airplane. I use the Navaid mostly when checking maps or when just wanting to sit back watch the scenery past by. IMO if you want to use your RV for IFR type flying you should really consider a higher priced well established two axis autopilot. Jerry Springer __________________ czechsix(at)juno.com wrote: > > > Hi Randy, > > I think it depends on priorities and the type of flying you do....you > state that you feel for you it would be a "major hassle" to have to > "reset" the autopilot at each waypoint. For me I just don't see this as > a major hassle....how often do you change course during typical flying? > If I change course every 20-30 min on a XC flight, and the course change > is typically not much more than 5-10 deg, it seems very simple to me to > just bump the button on the Digitrak a few times to the new course. The > Digitrak's advantages of being more compact, lighter weight, and > solid-state digital (more precise and less prone to wear out in 1000 > hours) far outweigh the convenience of the Navaid's ability to follow > course changes at waypoints for me. For you this feature of the Navaid > is of significant importance, you don't mind having to periodically > replace/repair the mechanical gyro, and you are happy with it, so that's > great... > > --Mark Navratil > Cedar Rapids, Iowa > RV-8A N2D finishing with as much solid state stuff as > possible....Digitrak....Dynon (hopefully)....etc... > > From: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Trutrak Digitrak servo installation and Navaid > comparison > > > No, you need to reset it at each waypoint. I personally have a Navaid in > my > RV-8 which has worked perfectly since day one. It provides unbelieveable > functionality, especially for the money. I know there's been a lot of > noise > about the Trutrak systems but frankly I can't figure it out... the Navaid > does more of the real world things we do when we fly a typical flight > plan. > Yes, it has a mechanical gyro, so what? If I have to send it back after > 1-2,000 flight hours who cares? Get a Navaid, hook it up to a GPS, put in > a > few way points, and watch it fly the course... it's magic, and all for > $1,450. Resetting the autopilot at each waypoint sounds like a major > hassle, > and who wants to pay attention to the exact course... just set the GPS to > go > where you want and the Navaid will follow. I guess I'm slow, I just don't > see the advantage of the Trutrak. > > Randy Lervold > RV-8, 236 hrs, Navaid slaved to Garmin GPSMAP 295 and lovin it > www.rv-8.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Jory" <rickjory(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: New Builde: r Priming Question
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Why not? I would (and did). Rick Jory ----- Original Message ----- From: <karpinski(at)baldcom.net> Subject: RV-List: New Builde: r Priming Question > > > The Journey Begins.. Hi All.. New builder.. RV-8QB.. > > About to prime the HS components.. Have Aluminiprep & Anodine the > spars.. Ribs.. etc..... > > Ready to use 2 Part Akzo epoxy primer.. > > > Question Is: > > Do I need to also Prep/Anodine & Prime inside Surfaces of the Skins ?? > > > Al Karpinski > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Larry Hawkins <lhawkins(at)giant.com>
Subject: New Builde: r Priming Question
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Lock and load keep your head down put on your Nomex underwear. The primer wars are about to flare up again. Don't want to scare the new guy, he doesn't realize what he has done. Hey Al Please go to the archives and search for "primer" this topic has been discussed to death. There are many very strong and differing opinions about how, what, when, and where to prime. They start at: no primer, all the way up to prime everything inside and out. Then there are many, many very good products on the market. Please read the archives and decide what is best for you. -----Original Message----- From: karpinski(at)baldcom.net [mailto:karpinski(at)baldcom.net] Subject: RV-List: New Builde: r Priming Question The Journey Begins.. Hi All.. New builder.. RV-8QB.. About to prime the HS components.. Have Aluminiprep & Anodine the spars.. Ribs.. etc..... Ready to use 2 Part Akzo epoxy primer.. Question Is: Do I need to also Prep/Anodine & Prime inside Surfaces of the Skins ?? Al Karpinski RE: RV-List: New Builde: r Priming Question Lock and load keep your head down put on your Nomex underwear. The primer wars are about to flare up again. Don't want to scare the new guy, he doesn't realize what he has done. Hey Al Please go to the archives and search for primer this topic has been discussed to death. There are many very strong and differing opinions about how, what, when, and where to prime. They start at: no primer, all the way up to prime everything inside and out. Then there are many, many very good products on the market. Please read the archives and decide what is best for you. -----Original Message----- From: karpinski(at)baldcom.net [<A HREF"mailto:karpinski(at)baldcom.net">mailto:karpinski(at)baldcom.net] Sent: August 16, 2002 10:41 AM To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV-List: New Builde: r Priming Question -- RV-List message posted by: karpinski(at)baldcom.net The Journey Begins.. Hi All.. New builder.. RV-8QB.. About to prime the HS components.. Have Aluminiprep Anodine the spars.. Ribs.. etc..... Ready to use 2 Part Akzo epoxy primer.. Question Is: Do I need to also Prep/Anodine Prime inside Surfaces of the Skins ?? Al Karpinski http://www.matronics.com/subscription Share: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare List: http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv-list http://www.matronics.com/search Archives: http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/rv-list Lists: http://www.matronics.com/emaillists http://www.matronics.com/ From: "David Carter" <dcarter(at)datarecall.net>
Subject: Re: New Builde: r Priming Question
Date: Aug 16, 2002
Here's my view on priming inside parts for corrosion control: 1) Prime alclad skins along the area where ribs & spars will be in contact (spray down the line of rivet holes). Skin not in contact with other parts is not likely to corrode - unless it is a lower skin on which junk -moisture & chemicals in the air - my collect and set up corrosion - so prime inside of lower skins. 2) All non-alclad parts need anti-corrosion primer. Seems like most ribs are not alclad - I may be remembering wrong. David Carter ----- Original Message ----- From: <karpinski(at)baldcom.net> Subject: RV-List: New Builde: r Priming Question > > > The Journey Begins.. Hi All.. New builder.. RV-8QB.. > > About to prime the HS components.. Have Aluminiprep & Anodine the > spars.. Ribs.. etc..... > > Ready to use 2 Part Akzo epoxy primer.. > > > Question Is: > > Do I need to also Prep/Anodine & Prime inside Surfaces of the Skins ?? > > > Al Karpinski > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Builde: r Priming Question
Date: Aug 16, 2002
From: "Kendall R. Simmons" <ken(at)truckstop.com>
Since someone has mentioned the "P" word I have a related question. I'm using a similar setup as Al and I'm about to start the wing. I'm a little concerned about doing the prep work when winter comes along. I've read in the archives about using a painter to do the prep and paint for a reasonable price. What "painter" does this, an aircraft maintenance shop, an autobody shop, and industrial process plant? Ken 8 (empennage amost done) -----Original Message----- From: karpinski(at)baldcom.net [mailto:karpinski(at)baldcom.net] Subject: RV-List: New Builde: r Priming Question The Journey Begins.. Hi All.. New builder.. RV-8QB.. About to prime the HS components.. Have Aluminiprep & Anodine the spars.. Ribs.. etc..... Ready to use 2 Part Akzo epoxy primer.. Question Is: Do I need to also Prep/Anodine & Prime inside Surfaces of the Skins ?? Al Karpinski ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "3 rotor" <rv8r300(at)attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Dimple aileron nose skin
Date: Aug 16, 2002
I drilled the pipe with a 1/4" bit as a countersink, rocked it around some, and then with the dimple die in hand and a hammer, tapped the die gently while rocking it. The pop rivet will suck the metal in too, just don't make the pipe countersink too small. Some gentle tapping will round the head of the rivet to the pipe for a flush fit. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com> Subject: RV-List: Dimple aileron nose skin > > Ok, you countersink the holes in the galvanized pipe...but how do you dimple > the respective holes in the aileron nose skin? Or do you bother? > > The plans call for countersunk CS4-4 rivets in those holes, but I can't > figure out how to get the skin holes dimpled properly. I fear that if I use > the C-frame it will leave major smiles around the holes since the curve is > pretty sharp. > > How have you dealt with this? Does pulling the rivet dimple the .020 as it > compresses? Haven't asked Van's yet...it's just after midnight, figured > somebody out there in list-land is listening. > > )_( Dan > dan @ rvproject . com > http://www.rvproject.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "3 rotor" <rv8r300(at)attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Lean running Lyc
Date: Aug 16, 2002
I had to drill the jet out a drill size and that seemed to help a lot, I forget the drill now, somewhere very near the 39,40,41 range, I believe. The process is reversible using a drop of silver solder if necessary to fill in the hole and redrill back to the smaller size I was told. Kevin O-320D2J ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ & LM Tennant" <dltenno(at)hotmail.com> Subject: RV-List: Lean running Lyc > > > Hi > Does anyone have any ideas why my 0-320 fixed pitch wood prop runs lean RV6 > symptoms are - > high egts 1600ish at 2400rpm full rich > very light gray exhaust pipes > Carb heat has almost no drop > no increase in rpm or egt when leaning mixture at 2400rpm cruise just starts > to run rough > chts are good around 320f > oil temps are good 180f > > mag timming and drops are good > no induction leaks i can find > carby has had single piece venturi and metal float mods done and i just > tried replacing the standard discharge nozzle with a newer type atomising

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