RV-Archive.digest.vol-sc
July 13, 2006 - July 29, 2006
Only thing I know is that I had a white out due to the sun and inversion and
I was not IFR rated. Thank the good CFI who made me work under the hood all
that time.
John Jessen
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID REEL
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 12:21 PM
The FAA aviation weather book describes haze as a yellowish or bluish tinged
uniformly distributed contaminant formed from salt or dust particles. A
temperature inversion keeps them from being diluted. Flying in haze
yesterday, I started wondering why it seemed to thicken as I ascended. And
why do ground stations report 6 miles when you can't see 6 miles from one
mile agl? The book also says visibility is reduced toward the sun but I
thought having the sun behind you would lessen visibility because of
reflection from the particles back toward your eye. Any thoughts/info?
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| From: | "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop(at)pacbell.net> |
Here in SoCal haze tends to be a little on the brown side of white. The
visibility that ground stations are supplying is just that - ground
visibility. It may be different in the air. Maybe it's seeming thicker
to you because you're looking down through more of it as you climb. When
you were looking up through it, there was nothing much on which to focus
on the other side of it. It is definitely worse flying into the sun when
it is low in the sky. There's been times near sunset when the visibility
was OK to the sides and rear but just about nil ahead. A good time to
turn on your landing lights and look for another way to go.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID REEL
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 12:21 PM
The FAA aviation weather book describes haze as a yellowish or bluish
tinged
uniformly distributed contaminant formed from salt or dust particles. A
temperature inversion keeps them from being diluted. Flying in haze
yesterday, I started wondering why it seemed to thicken as I ascended.
And
why do ground stations report 6 miles when you can't see 6 miles from
one
mile agl? The book also says visibility is reduced toward the sun but I
thought having the sun behind you would lessen visibility because of
reflection from the particles back toward your eye. Any thoughts/info?
Dave Reel - RV8A
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| From: | "Dave/Deb" <davwol(at)svtv.com> |
Where is the best place for the oil cooler on a RV 9A, baffle or
firewall and why.
Dave
9a
Finishing
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| From: | "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com> |
The RV-9A baffle and firewall is very similar to the RV-6. On my RV-6, I
had redline oil temps during and after flight testing with the oil cooler
mounted on the firewall. I ran about 15 degrees hotter than the other RVs
in cruise with it on the firewall.
I move the oil cooler to the engine mount right behind the #4 cylinder with
a 3" X 5" opening with baffle seal between it and the rear baffle. I now
run the same oil temp to 15 degrees cooler than the other RV.
I had 3 bad experiences with high oil temp and vapor lock with the oil
cooler on the firewall. I do not recommend mounting it there. I had 3"
SCAT tubing going to it from #3 cylinder. Others have had it work but I
could not get it to work on my airplane.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,892 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
Where is the best place for the oil cooler on a RV 9A, baffle or firewall
and why.
Dave
9a
Finishing
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| From: | "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)adelphia.net> |
I mounted mine on the baffle behind #4. No aircraft temp problems. Forecast
is for something like 116 in the next day or so. Short hops are usually at
1-3000 AGL with cruising temps at 80-90+ with no overheating problems. I
have a 7 row cooler.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| From: | "Chuck Weyant" <cweyant(at)chuckdirect.com> |
Did mine on the baffle. Did it exactly the way Van's baffle kit said to
do it except I put an extra piece of sheet aluminum as a doubler to
stiffen it up to keep it from flexing and cracking. Cut the air access
hole just as indicated in the plans. Some guys thought I should enlarge
the hole because about 1/3 of the oil cooler fins are covered by the
plans mounting. Turns out Vans is right. Build it by the plans and
you'll be happy. I've had no hight temps at all. In fact, the temps
have never been higher than 200 (in climb) and 180 (cruise).
Chuck Weyant
RV9A 185 hours
O320E3D 150HP
I mounted mine on the baffle behind #4. No aircraft temp problems.
Forecast is for something like 116 in the next day or so. Short hops are
usually at 1-3000 AGL with cruising temps at 80-90+ with no overheating
problems. I have a 7 row cooler.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| From: | FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 7/13/06 5:17:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, davwol(at)svtv.com
writes:
> Where is the best place for the oil cooler on a RV 9A, baffle or firewall
and
> why.
>
> Dave
> 9a
> Finishing
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Dave:
I fly both an RV-6 and a RV-6A.
The RV-6 has the cooler mounted right at the intake scoop.
Things I have noticed with this mounting are:
~ VERY COOL oil, in the winter I have to cover over half of the cooler to get
the temps up to normal (170- 190 Deg F)
~ In the summer even on hot 85 - and 95 Deg F days the oil temp runs 190- 200
Deg F MAX.
~ In the summer sitting on the taxi way in a line of planes and facing away
from the wind the oil still runs cool.
~ The one negative thing I must report about the intake mounting of the
cooler is the long hose runs and making sure they are secure. I check them about
twice a year just to make sure nothing has moved. NOTHING HAS EVER MOVED.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The RV-6A has the cooler mounted on the back of the baffling.
Things I have noticed about this mounting are:
~ In the winter I have to cover over half of the cooler to get the temps up
to normal (170- 190 Deg F) - Same as the RV-6.
~ In the summer even on hot 85 - and 95 Deg F days the oil temp runs a bit
hot usually hovering around 195 - 210 Deg F MAX. Now this is on climb-out. It
drops to about 195 - 200 Deg F in cruse ... REMEMBER we are still talking HIGH
OAT (5000 Ft or less).
~ In the summer sitting on the taxi way in a line of planes and facing away
from the wind the oil DOES get warmer than I like and if the plane has a horn I
would be beeping it ... Instead I have the luxury of politely remarking on
how are YOUR oil and CHTs temps doing ... Sure would like to cool the engine
down by flying ;-)
~ The one other negative thing I must report about the baffle mounting of the
cooler is the extra heat stuffed in the rear of the engine ... Right where
the Mag & electronic ignition are and right where the vacuum pump is. I put a
probe there and on the RV-6 I see 135 Deg F.
On the RV-6A I see 170 Deg F.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| From: | "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer(at)mts.net> |
| Subject: | Re: non-swiveling tail wheel |
I think anyone upgrading to a Van's swivel tailwheel, or indeed anyone who
hasn't flown one, should be aware of it's foibles:
1) It requires regular greasing, and the only way to grease it properly is
to dissassemble it. This isn't hard but I have to do mine every 10 hours or
so.
2) The little internal key that locks/unlocks the tailwheel eventually
develops burrs and then sticks, allowing the tailwheel to stay unlocked. The
solution is to file down the burrs and then slightly chamfer the edges of
the key to prevent new burrs. You may as well do this right away instead of
waiting for it to stick unexpectedly at some distant airport. Since I fixed
mine the first time, it has been fine.
3) The design feature that allows the tailwheel to free swivel after
depressing the rudder pedal about 3/4 down works really well most of the
time. It has a spooky side though. On a couple of occasions I have been
taxiig on a slippery surface with a stiff crosswind, and order to counteract
a gust, I kicked full or nearly full rudder. This caused the tailwheel to
unlock, and without the tailwheel helping to hold it straight anymore, the
airplane immediately weathervaned into the wind and I was suddenly 90
degrees to the runway going 10 mph. Because the runway was snowy and
slippery the brakes were not effective either, so off the runway I went,
completely out of control. Luckily both times I only got stuck.
Perhaps the Bell tailwheel alleviates some or all of these problems. I'm
planning to get one myself, if only for the new/coolness factor.
Curt
RV-6 C-GACR
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| From: | "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6(at)bryantechnology.com> |
| Subject: | Re: non-swiveling tail wheel |
Yikes Curt,
This doesn't paint a very pretty picture. Every 10 hours? That could be
after every trip. My new one is supposed to be delivered tomorrow for a
weekend install.
Question for all the other tail wheelers. Are any of you using something
other than Van's swivel tailwheel? Why? Are you happy with it?
Thanks
Tim
-------Original Message-------
I think anyone upgrading to a Van's swivel tailwheel, or indeed anyone wh
o
hasn't flown one, should be aware of it's foibles:
1) It requires regular greasing, and the only way to grease it properly i
s
to dissassemble it. This isn't hard but I have to do mine every 10 hours
or
so.
2) The little internal key that locks/unlocks the tailwheel eventually
develops burrs and then sticks, allowing the tailwheel to stay unlocked.
The
solution is to file down the burrs and then slightly chamfer the edges of
the key to prevent new burrs. You may as well do this right away instead
of
waiting for it to stick unexpectedly at some distant airport. Since I fix
ed
mine the first time, it has been fine.
3) The design feature that allows the tailwheel to free swivel after
depressing the rudder pedal about 3/4 down works really well most of the
time. It has a spooky side though. On a couple of occasions I have been
taxiig on a slippery surface with a stiff crosswind, and order to counter
act
a gust, I kicked full or nearly full rudder. This caused the tailwheel to
unlock, and without the tailwheel helping to hold it straight anymore, th
e
airplane immediately weathervaned into the wind and I was suddenly 90
degrees to the runway going 10 mph. Because the runway was snowy and
slippery the brakes were not effective either, so off the runway I went,
completely out of control. Luckily both times I only got stuck.
Perhaps the Bell tailwheel alleviates some or all of these problems. I'm
planning to get one myself, if only for the new/coolness factor.
Curt
RV-6 C-GACR
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| From: | Doug Weiler <dcw(at)mnwing.org> |
| Subject: | Re: non-swiveling tail wheel |
Gee, folks.. I have 300 hours on my Van=B9s tailwheel and have had no
significant problem. I grease it about every 6 months or so and have
replaced the bearings once and the actual tire once. Other than that, it
works perfect.
Doug Weiler
N722DW, RV-4, 300 hours
On 7/13/06 8:04 PM, "Tim Bryan" wrote:
> Yikes Curt,
>
> This doesn't paint a very pretty picture. Every 10 hours? That could be
> after every trip. My new one is supposed to be delivered tomorrow for a
> weekend install.
>
> Question for all the other tail wheelers. Are any of you using something
> other than Van's swivel tailwheel? Why? Are you happy with it?
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Curt Reimer <mailto:cgreimer(at)mts.net>
> Date: 07/13/06 17:09:00
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: non-swiveling tail wheel
>
>
> I think anyone upgrading to a Van's swivel tailwheel, or indeed anyone wh
o
> hasn't flown one, should be aware of it's foibles:
>
> 1) It requires regular greasing, and the only way to grease it properly i
s
> to dissassemble it. This isn't hard but I have to do mine every 10 hours
or
> so.
>
> 2) The little internal key that locks/unlocks the tailwheel eventually
> develops burrs and then sticks, allowing the tailwheel to stay unlocked.
The
> solution is to file down the burrs and then slightly chamfer the edges of
> the key to prevent new burrs. You may as well do this right away instead
of
> waiting for it to stick unexpectedly at some distant airport. Since I fix
ed
> mine the first time, it has been fine.
>
> 3) The design feature that allows the tailwheel to free swivel after
> depressing the rudder pedal about 3/4 down works really well most of the
> time. It has a spooky side though. On a couple of occasions I have been
> taxiig on a slippery surface with a stiff crosswind, and order to counter
act
> a gust, I kicked full or nearly full rudder. This caused the tailwheel to
> unlock, and without the tailwheel helping to hold it straight anymore, th
e
> airplane immediately weathervaned into the wind and I was suddenly 90
> degrees to the runway going 10 mph. Because the runway was snowy and
> slippery the brakes were not effective either, so off the runway I went,
> completely out of control. Luckily both times I only got stuck.
>
> Perhaps the Bell tailwheel alleviates some or all of these problems. I'm
> planning to get one myself, if only for the new/coolness factor.
>
> Curt
> RV-6 C-GACR
>
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| From: | Larry Pardue <n5lp(at)warpdriveonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: non-swiveling tail wheel |
On Jul 13, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Tim Bryan wrote:
> Yikes Curt,
>
> This doesn't paint a very pretty picture. Every 10 hours? That
> could be after every trip. My new one is supposed to be delivered
> tomorrow for a weekend install.
>
> Question for all the other tail wheelers. Are any of you using
> something other than Van's swivel tailwheel? Why? Are you happy
> with it?
>
> Thanks
> Tim
I have the standard Van's full swivel tailwheel. Once or maybe
twice, in 800 hours, it has failed to lock into the steering detent.
I think it was a bit of grit fouling it up, in my case.
Every 75 or 100 hours the steering gets a bit stiff and I have to
regrease it.
I admire the simplicity and economy of the device compared to what
Scotts puts out.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | The TRUTH about MOGAS |
HI Tim-
This is getting interesting and closer to answering my curiosity. What is
the "squish" you referred to?
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | Alan Kritzman <rv8_flyer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: non-swiveling tail wheel |
I has a couple issues with the tail wheel not locking in the first 50 hours on
my plane. When I called and talked to Van's about it they said don't use grease
use oil. So I took it apart, cleaned and polished the burrs and drilled a
small hole in the top washer. I now shoot a little LPS 2 into the hole every
10 hours or so and disassemble it at annual to clean and inspect for burrs. For
the last 300 hours it has been trouble free.
Alan Kritzman
RV-8 N8EM
Larry Pardue wrote:
On Jul 13, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Tim Bryan wrote:
> Yikes Curt,
>
> This doesn't paint a very pretty picture. Every 10 hours? That
> could be after every trip. My new one is supposed to be delivered
> tomorrow for a weekend install.
>
> Question for all the other tail wheelers. Are any of you using
> something other than Van's swivel tailwheel? Why? Are you happy
> with it?
>
> Thanks
> Tim
I have the standard Van's full swivel tailwheel. Once or maybe
twice, in 800 hours, it has failed to lock into the steering detent.
I think it was a bit of grit fouling it up, in my case.
Every 75 or 100 hours the steering gets a bit stiff and I have to
regrease it.
I admire the simplicity and economy of the device compared to what
Scotts puts out.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: non-swiveling tail wheel |
I agree Curt. I grease mine with every oil change. I have the Bell
tailwheel and love it, but in regards to swivel, it works the same way
as the Van's. Don't know if you are using the one arm device or not,
but I believe the one I was using was exacerbating the problem and have
removed it for the new stainless Van's two arm device. I feel the one
arm seems to bur the pin more than the two arm type. No suppresses in
the last 50 hours.
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
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| From: | "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6(at)bryantechnology.com> |
| Subject: | Re: non-swiveling tail wheel |
Alan,
This sounds like a reasonable solution. Grease can tend to collect dust
and
become sticky. Oil would do the same thing but doesn't last as long. Gr
eat
idea.
Tim
-------Original Message-------
I has a couple issues with the tail wheel not locking in the first 50 hou
rs
on my plane. When I called and talked to Van's about it they said don't
use
grease use oil. So I took it apart, cleaned and polished the burrs and
drilled a small hole in the top washer. I now shoot a little LPS 2 into
the
hole every 10 hours or so and disassemble it at annual to clean and inspe
ct
for burrs. For the last 300 hours it has been trouble free.
Alan Kritzman
RV-8 N8EM
Larry Pardue wrote:
On Jul 13, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Tim Bryan wrote:
> Yikes Curt,
>
> This doesn't paint a very pretty picture. Every 10 hours? That
> could be after every trip. My
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| From: | "czechsix(at)juno.com" <czechsix(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Major new product announcement from Vans |
Guys,
I just got the most recent copy of the RVator and it says that Vans will
be announcing a major new product at Oshkosh, one which they have expen
ded considerable effort on over the past year and it is NOT the RV-12.
Any guesses or rumors as to what it might be?
I doubt it's the RV-11, and it's hard to imagine that it would be a tota
lly new design. Possibilities thrown out around the water cooler so far
:
Tail dragger RV-10 (unlikely)
Matched-hole RV-8 fuselage (would be more of a product improvement than
"new" product)
Super RV-8 to complete with Rockets (would depart from Vans traditional
conservatism)
New wing design for existing RV-7/8 series, either a new airfoil or tape
red planform or both
The new wing is our best guess, or maybe we're getting all antsy over no
thing and it will just be a new FAB airbox alternate air design... : |
Anybody else wanna toss out a speculative guess? Maybe Jerry Springer h
as the inside scoop and will spill the beans (don't worry, I'm sure Van
doesn't read the RV List and we'll never tell who we heard it from!)
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D with 65 hours of thrills so far...
Guys,
I just got the most recent copy of the RVator and it says that Vans w
ill be announcing a major new product at Oshkosh, one which they have ex
pended considerable effort on over the past year and it is NOT the RV-12
. Any guesses or rumors as to what it might be?
I doubt it's the RV-11, and it's hard to imagine that it would be a t
otally new design. Possibilities thrown out around the water coole
r so far:
Tail dragger RV-10 (unlikely)
Matched-hole RV-8 fuselage (would be
more of a product improvement than "new" product)
Super RV-8 to comp
lete with Rockets (would depart from Vans traditional conservatism)
N
ew wing design for existing RV-7/8 series, either a new airfoil or taper
ed planform or both
The new wing is our best guess, or maybe we're getting all antsy over
nothing and it will just be a new FAB airbox alternate air design...&nb
sp; : |
Anybody else wanna toss out a speculative guess? Maybe Jerry Sp
ringer has the inside scoop and will spill the beans (don't worry, I'm s
ure Van doesn't read the RV List and we'll never tell who we heard it fr
om!)
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D with 65 hours of t
hrills so far...
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| From: | Gerry Filby <gerf(at)gerf.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
Must be a VLJ ... sign me up !!
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> Guys,
> I just got the most recent copy of the RVator and it says that
> Vans will be announcing a major new product at Oshkosh, one
> which they have expended considerable effort on over the past
> year and it is NOT the RV-12. Any guesses or rumors as to what
> it might be?
> I doubt it's the RV-11, and it's hard to imagine that it would
> be a totally new design. Possibilities thrown out around the
> water cooler so far:
> Tail dragger RV-10 (unlikely)
> Matched-hole RV-8 fuselage (would be more of a product
> improvement than "new" product)
> Super RV-8 to complete with Rockets (would depart from Vans
> traditional conservatism)
> New wing design for existing RV-7/8 series, either a new
> airfoil or tapered planform or both
> The new wing is our best guess, or maybe we're getting all
> antsy over nothing and it will just be a new FAB airbox
> alternate air design... : |
> Anybody else wanna toss out a speculative guess? Maybe Jerry
> Springer has the inside scoop and will spill the beans (don't
> worry, I'm sure Van doesn't read the RV List and we'll never
> tell who we heard it from!)
> --Mark Navratil
> Cedar Rapids, Iowa
> RV-8A N2D with 65 hours of thrills so far...
>
--
__g__
==========================================================
Gerry Filby gerf(at)gerf.com
Tel: 415 203 9177
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| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
A wider cockpit for the 6/7 design for us fat boys.
Ron Lee
Do nor archive
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| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
| Subject: | Major new product announcement from Vans |
Mark,
I was going to say Van's big announcement is that they are switching to all
composite construction and then run hide under my desk for a month or two.
But here's my serious guess (no inside information - just a guess.) Van's is
going to open a builder help facility to compete with what Glassair and
maybe a few other kit manufacturer's are doing, so guys like me can finish
their project in 5 years instead of 10 and normal people can finish in a few
months rather than a few years.
Guess #2: They are going to certify and manufacture something, probably the
RV-12 light sport aircraft.
Terry
RV-8A #80729
p.s. Mark, I still want to copy you paint job.
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of czechsix(at)juno.com
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:35 AM
Guys,
I just got the most recent copy of the RVator and it says that Vans will be
announcing a major new product at Oshkosh, one which they have expended
considerable effort on over the past year and it is NOT the RV-12. Any
guesses or rumors as to what it might be?
I doubt it's the RV-11, and it's hard to imagine that it would be a totally
new design. Possibilities thrown out around the water cooler so far:
Tail dragger RV-10 (unlikely)
Matched-hole RV-8 fuselage (would be more of a product improvement than
"new" product)
Super RV-8 to complete with Rockets (would depart from Vans traditional
conservatism)
New wing design for existing RV-7/8 series, either a new airfoil or tapered
planform or both
The new wing is our best guess, or maybe we're getting all antsy over
nothing and it will just be a new FAB airbox alternate air design... : |
Anybody else wanna toss out a speculative guess? Maybe Jerry Springer has
the inside scoop and will spill the beans (don't worry, I'm sure Van doesn't
read the RV List and we'll never tell who we heard it from!)
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D with 65 hours of thrills so far...
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| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IFR Panel Considerations |
I will violate your reply rules by posting it here.
I see little use in ADF. A panel mounted GPS with approaches
is probably a must. WAAS functionality should be considered.
Units that fit this are the Garmin GNS 430/530 or equivalent
from other makers (if that exists).
Then it is a matter of whether a Dynon like system is LEGAL
from a artificial horizon point of view. The rest seems simple.
Of course you can add redundant avionics but then you get pricey.
Ron Lee
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| From: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_MS?= <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr> |
| Subject: | Major new product announcement from Vans |
I suggested it could be a parachute attachment to the fuelage.
Michele
RV8 - Fuselage
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of czechsix(at)juno.com
Sent: vendredi 14 juillet 2006 19:35
Guys,
I just got the most recent copy of the RVator and it says that Vans will be
announcing a major new product at Oshkosh, one which they have expended
considerable effort on over the past year and it is NOT the RV-12. Any
guesses or rumors as to what it might be?
I doubt it's the RV-11, and it's hard to imagine that it would be a totally
new design. Possibilities thrown out around the water cooler so far:
Tail dragger RV-10 (unlikely)
Matched-hole RV-8 fuselage (would be more of a product improvement than
"new" product)
Super RV-8 to complete with Rockets (would depart from Vans traditional
conservatism)
New wing design for existing RV-7/8 series, either a new airfoil or tapered
planform or both
The new wing is our best guess, or maybe we're getting all antsy over
nothing and it will just be a new FAB airbox alternate air design... : |
Anybody else wanna toss out a speculative guess? Maybe Jerry Springer has
the inside scoop and will spill the beans (don't worry, I'm sure Van doesn't
read the RV List and we'll never tell who we heard it from!)
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D with 65 hours of thrills so far...
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
another personal opinion.........While I would agree that the nose gear on
the A models may be a weak link, I do not think making it steerable would be
an improvement. I would not want to give up the ability to do a tight 180
degree turn while parking which is possible with the current design.
Dale Ensing
>
> My guess/hope is that it is a steerable nose gear for the RV-7 like the
> one they are putting on the RV-12. How better to develop the new gear
> than to put it on an RV-7 first. I think we all can agree that the -7A
> nose gear is probably the weakest link in the Van's chain.
>
> Steve Eberhart
do not archieve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
My guess - a certifed plane..... The kits/designs are nicer than most
aluminum certified planes out there..... Although Van said he'd never do
it....
> Guys,
> I just got the most recent copy of the RVator and it says that Vans will
> be announcing a major new product at Oshkosh, one which they have expended
> considerable effort on over the past year and it is NOT the RV-12. Any
> guesses or rumors as to what it might be?
> I doubt it's the RV-11, and it's hard to imagine that it would be a
> totally new design. Possibilities thrown out around the water cooler so
> far:
> Tail dragger RV-10 (unlikely)
> Matched-hole RV-8 fuselage (would be more of a product improvement than
> "new" product)
> Super RV-8 to complete with Rockets (would depart from Vans traditional
> conservatism)
> New wing design for existing RV-7/8 series, either a new airfoil or
> tapered planform or both
> The new wing is our best guess, or maybe we're getting all antsy over
> nothing and it will just be a new FAB airbox alternate air design... : |
> Anybody else wanna toss out a speculative guess? Maybe Jerry Springer has
> the inside scoop and will spill the beans (don't worry, I'm sure Van
> doesn't read the RV List and we'll never tell who we heard it from!)
> --Mark Navratil
> Cedar Rapids, Iowa
> RV-8A N2D with 65 hours of thrills so far...
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Sears" <jmsears(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
> My guess/hope is that it is a steerable nose gear for the
> RV-7 like the one they are putting on the RV-12. How
> better to develop the new gear than to put it on an RV-7
> first. I think we all can agree that the -7A nose gear is
> probably the weakest link in the Van's chain.
>
Steve, I'm hoping your speculation is incorrect, as well.
I've found that the weakest link in Van's -7A is not the
gear. It's the pilot. I've been flying aircraft with castoring
nose gears since 1990 and have had good luck with them.
Since I'm just an average pilot, I assure you it's no big
deal. The proper training will fill in the gaps.
By the way, I've seen as many Cessnas with bent nose
gears as I've seen RV's. In each case, it wasn't the
design of the nose gear. It was the pilot's pilotage that
took it out. Well, one of the RV incidents was actually
a forced landing with a dead engine. Loose nut on a
fuel line. Anyway, I never replaced the nose gear on my
RV-6A when Van offered to replace the weaker nose
gears. I figured if his prototype's nose gear held up as
well as it did, I'd hold off replacing mine. I didn't see
any need to fix what wasn't broken. It's still just fine.
So are my original rudder stirrups. And, I do land on
grass strips.
As long as you take care to land properly, it's a pretty
good set up. It's good enough that I'd prefer that they
don't mess with it; or, worst case, give us a choice. Like,
maybe making the steerable version an option. To be
honest, I'd be surprised if they change what already works.
That won't help you, though. Hey, once you get to making
those tight turns at the tie down, and such, you'll forget
all about wanting that steerable nose gear. :-)
Jim Sears in KY
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
Guess one and I would be willing to bet money on it would be a smaller LSA RV,
possibly O-200 powered.
Guess two would be the glider which I would love to see, but I don't know that
they would consider that major.
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>Guys,
>I just got the most recent copy of the RVator and it says that Vans will be announcing
a major new product at Oshkosh, one which they have expended considerable
effort on over the past year and it is NOT the RV-12. Any guesses or rumors
as to what it might be?
>I doubt it's the RV-11, and it's hard to imagine that it would be a totally new
design. Possibilities thrown out around the water cooler so far:
>Tail dragger RV-10 (unlikely)
>Matched-hole RV-8 fuselage (would be more of a product improvement than "new"
product)
>Super RV-8 to complete with Rockets (would depart from Vans traditional conservatism)
>New wing design for existing RV-7/8 series, either a new airfoil or tapered planform
or both
>The new wing is our best guess, or maybe we're getting all antsy over nothing
and it will just be a new FAB airbox alternate air design... : |
>Anybody else wanna toss out a speculative guess? Maybe Jerry Springer has the
inside scoop and will spill the beans (don't worry, I'm sure Van doesn't read
the RV List and we'll never tell who we heard it from!)
>--Mark Navratil
>Cedar Rapids, Iowa
>RV-8A N2D with 65 hours of thrills so far...
>
>
________________________________________________________________
Sent via the WebMail system at mail.engalt.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7(at)b4.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
I'll second a vote for a tapered wing. The F1 EVO Rocket looks pretty damn
sweet with that tapered wing to match the tapered tail surfaces.
-Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Lewis <Tim_Lewis(at)msm.umr.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
Primer. Self-cleaning, self-etching, auto-ding-filling primer. Made by
Vans. In a can. Makes pop rivets look like driven rivets. Wonderful
stuff. ;<)
> Guys,
>
> I just got the most recent copy of the RVator and it says that Vans will
> be announcing a major new product at Oshkosh, one which they have
> expended considerable effort on over the past year and it is NOT the
> RV-12. Any guesses or rumors as to what it might be?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Burton" <dburton(at)nwlink.com> |
| Subject: | Major new product announcement from Vans |
>I think they will start delivering the RVator in PDF format, saving
>enough in postage to fund the development a VLJ.
I like this guess the best!
Maybe it's that they are planning to print enough calendars to actually be
able to fill MY order. I haven't gotten one for years, not from lack of
trying...
I listened to Ken Scott talk at Arlington and he denied anything new in the
works. He said the 12 would not make Osh, but might be flying by the
Homecoming. The glider is Van's personal project and is far from complete.
I intended to kid him about a VLJ but didn't. He said they were working
hard on the 12 and that in addition to shipping parts was more then enough
to keep them busy. I suppose they could "announce" the 12, but since the
specs are not known yet and they haven't built a conforming ship yet it
would be unlike Van to do more then mention it.
I guess we'll see at Osh.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Walter Tondu <walter(at)tondu.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
LSA is my bet.
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
Flying!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Lewis <Tim_Lewis(at)msm.umr.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
Primer. Self-cleaning, self-etching, auto-ding-filling primer. Made by
Vans. In a can. Makes pop rivets look like driven rivets. Wonderful
stuff. ;<)
> Guys,
>
> I just got the most recent copy of the RVator and it says that Vans will
> be announcing a major new product at Oshkosh, one which they have
> expended considerable effort on over the past year and it is NOT the
> RV-12. Any guesses or rumors as to what it might be?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IFR Panel Considerations |
At 03:29 PM 7/14/2006, you wrote:
>
>Dynon or bluemountain (bluemountain gives you the GPS,
>so I'd go that way, personally) $3-$4K
I just reviewed the Blue Mountain FAQ and EFIS/ONE brochure and did not
see where it offers approached certified GPS capability. If it does not
then add
one for that functionality.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IFR Panel Considerations |
>Dynon or bluemountain (bluemountain gives you the GPS,
>so I'd go that way, personally) $3-$4K
I just scrolled further down the FAQ and found that the Blue Mountain EFIS
does NOT provide certified GPS approach capability. Thus you would have
add that (unknown cost). Actually VOR and ILS will get you most places
but depending upon Possible phase-down of those systems in favor of
GPS/WAAS you
may find your approach options limited sometime in the future.
Q: Is EFIS/One certified for GPS approaches?
On the advice of our most trusted avionics dealer and partner, we have
decided not to pursue it. For what it will cost to do TSO C129A testing and
certification, we'd have to raise the price of the EFIS by more than the
cost of a high-volume certified unit. We think it's a better deal to have a
reasonably priced glass cockpit, and the interconnect available for those
who want to fly GPS approaches. If you have a certified GPS, you can plug
it in to drive the flight director and autopilot in approach mode.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Cimino" <jcimino(at)echoes.net> |
| Subject: | Partnership Agreement |
Does anyone have draft of a partnership agreement that might work for an
RV?
Jim
Jim Cimino
N7TL
RV-8 S/N 80039
200+ Hours
http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Partnership Agreement |
Check with the EAA office. I used info from them about 15 years ago for
a partnership agreement.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Cimino
To: RV-LIST
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:52 PM
Subject: RV-List: Partnership Agreement
Does anyone have draft of a partnership agreement that might work for
an RV?
Jim
Jim Cimino
N7TL
RV-8 S/N 80039
200+ Hours
http://www.geocities.com/jcimino.geo/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wheeler North <wnorth(at)sdccd.edu> |
Sounds like your tail wheel isn't set correctly.
It should not be able to disconnect from the rudder with any amount of pedal
movement. One must go another 5 degrees by adding brake and flexing the
springs for it to disengage when it is set up correctly.
My first Van's tail wheel went for 1000 hours with one bearing replacement,
the next one now has about 6 hours on it.
I've also installed a spacer between the bearings so that the bolt can be
properly tightened with some slight preload on the bearings and place a
solid pinch on the bearing inner races.
If I remember correctly the rudder should go 30 deg each way and the
tailwheel unlocks at 35 deg, but it's been a long time since I rigged that.
W
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael" <cubflyr(at)comcast.net> |
Aviation Products Inc.
114 Bryant St.
Ojai, CA 93023
ph/fax 805-646-6042
I think they have a web site if you google the name. I have one of their
full-swivel wheels and have never had to do anything to it except routine
maintenance at conditional inspection. I have had it apart once and finally
may have to replace the body of the thing; after 1000 hours it is getting a
little loose, but only a little. It has never failed to do what it was
designed to do. The tire shows little to no wear at all and the bearings are
still quiet. They have two angles to choose from. I have the taller one (?45
degrees?). Wouldn't have anything else on the tail of Suzie Q.
Tear it apart every 10 hours??? Yikes. Sounds like something from Wichita.
Michael
N232 Suzie Q
OSH-bound in about a week or so!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jacking up an RV |
John,
How do you remove a wheel when it's jacked up like that?
Bob
On 7/11/06, John Danielson wrote:
>
> I bought a 2 ft piece of 5/8" (I think that's right) steel rod. This
> slips inside the axle. I then use my floor jack used for the car, it
> will fit under the steel rod, and jack the plane up. Works a lot like
> Avery's jack stand, but you really don't need any more than the steel
> rod.
>
> John L. Danielson
> RV-6 sold
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Emrath
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:04 PM
>
>
> There has been a lot of information shared over the years on tires and
> changing of tires. I'm about to finish installing my gear and would like
> to
> know if the Avery RV Jack Stand is the way to go or not. I would like
> to
> hear from some who can extol the benefits of this method of changing
> tires
> or from anyone that was not satisfied with this type of jacking up the
> RV
> and what they did instead.
>
> Marty in Brentwood
> RV-6A
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Slide canopy compass mounting |
Quick question on compass mounting:
I have an RV-6 with sliding canopy. Have a bracket to mount the compass on
the roll bar support. Question is: where is the best place on the support
to mount the compass? Toward the top near the roll bar? Halfway down the
support or down at the bottom just above the top skin? Thanks.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Plodding toward the blissful end.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "SteinAir, Inc." <stein(at)steinair.com> |
| Subject: | Slide canopy compass mounting |
Hi Dean,
I have mine mounted quite low on the bar and am glad I did. It sits about
1.5" above the glareshield and doesn't get in the way of anything else.
You'll find yourself using that bar for ingress/egress (and something to
hold onto during rolls) so it's nice to leave the upper are of the bar
clear.
You can see a pic of my installation (barely, but it's all I have online at
the moment) at:
http://www.steinair.com/images/store/panels/4SB2.jpg
Just my 2 cents!
Cheers,
Stein.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of DEAN PSIROPOULOS
>Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:11 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Slide canopy compass mounting
>
>
>
>
>Quick question on compass mounting:
>
>I have an RV-6 with sliding canopy. Have a bracket to mount the compass on
>the roll bar support. Question is: where is the best place on the support
>to mount the compass? Toward the top near the roll bar? Halfway down the
>support or down at the bottom just above the top skin? Thanks.
>
>Dean Psiropoulos
>RV-6A N197DM
>Plodding toward the blissful end.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Jacking up an RV |
You slide the wheel out onto the rod and put a block under the axle so
the rod and wheel can be moved away from the plane.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob C.
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 5:30 PM
John,
How do you remove a wheel when it's jacked up like that?
Bob
On 7/11/06, John Danielson wrote:
>
> I bought a 2 ft piece of 5/8" (I think that's right) steel rod. This
> slips inside the axle. I then use my floor jack used for the car, it
> will fit under the steel rod, and jack the plane up. Works a lot like
> Avery's jack stand, but you really don't need any more than the steel
> rod.
>
> John L. Danielson
> RV-6 sold
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Emrath
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:04 PM
>
>
> There has been a lot of information shared over the years on tires and
> changing of tires. I'm about to finish installing my gear and would
like
> to
> know if the Avery RV Jack Stand is the way to go or not. I would like
> to
> hear from some who can extol the benefits of this method of changing
> tires
> or from anyone that was not satisfied with this type of jacking up the
> RV
> and what they did instead.
>
> Marty in Brentwood
> RV-6A
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Slide canopy compass mounting |
In a message dated 7/14/2006 6:14:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net writes:
I have an RV-6 with sliding canopy. Have a bracket to mount the compass on
the roll bar support. Question is: where is the best place on the support
to mount the compass? Toward the top near the roll bar? Halfway down the
support or down at the bottom just above the top skin?
=======================================
Just an inch or so up and out from the glare shield.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
More info here:
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/archives/2006/04/tailwheel_upgra.html
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael [mailto:cubflyr(at)comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:21 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Tail wheel
>
>
> Aviation Products Inc.
> 114 Bryant St.
> Ojai, CA 93023
> ph/fax 805-646-6042
>
> I think they have a web site if you google the name. I have
> one of their full-swivel wheels and have never had to do
> anything to it except routine maintenance at conditional
> inspection. I have had it apart once and finally may have to
> replace the body of the thing; after 1000 hours it is getting
> a little loose, but only a little. It has never failed to do
> what it was designed to do. The tire shows little to no wear
> at all and the bearings are still quiet. They have two angles
> to choose from. I have the taller one (?45 degrees?).
> Wouldn't have anything else on the tail of Suzie Q.
>
> Tear it apart every 10 hours??? Yikes. Sounds like something
> from Wichita.
>
> Michael
> N232 Suzie Q
>
> OSH-bound in about a week or so!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Danielson" <Jdaniel343(at)bresnan.net> |
| Subject: | Jacking up an RV |
Thanks for answering for me Pax.
John Danielson
RV-6 sold
Harmon Rocket
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Holyoke
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:57 PM
You slide the wheel out onto the rod and put a block under the axle so
the rod and wheel can be moved away from the plane.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob C.
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 5:30 PM
John,
How do you remove a wheel when it's jacked up like that?
Bob
On 7/11/06, John Danielson wrote:
>
> I bought a 2 ft piece of 5/8" (I think that's right) steel rod. This
> slips inside the axle. I then use my floor jack used for the car, it
> will fit under the steel rod, and jack the plane up. Works a lot like
> Avery's jack stand, but you really don't need any more than the steel
> rod.
>
> John L. Danielson
> RV-6 sold
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Emrath
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:04 PM
>
>
> There has been a lot of information shared over the years on tires and
> changing of tires. I'm about to finish installing my gear and would
like
> to
> know if the Avery RV Jack Stand is the way to go or not. I would like
> to
> hear from some who can extol the benefits of this method of changing
> tires
> or from anyone that was not satisfied with this type of jacking up the
> RV
> and what they did instead.
>
> Marty in Brentwood
> RV-6A
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jan <jan(at)claver.demon.co.uk> |
| Subject: | MAC servo supplier |
Thanks !!
_____
Sent: 13 July 2006 00:05
Jan,
Ray Allan purchased the company. MAC is now RAC. Go to:
http://www.rayallencompany.com/index.html
<http://www.rayallencompany.com/index.html>
Charlie Kuss
Hi,
Can anyone help with the contact details for Menzimer Aircraft Components
Inc... I have a old address for Vista CA....but no reply from the phone
number I got... Have they gone out of business or has the business been
sold..changed owner... ??
Regards
Jan
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
Thanks
!!
From:
Charlie Kuss
[mailto:chaztuna(at)adelphia.net]
Sent: 13 July 2006
00:05
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List:
MAC servo
supplier
Jan,
Ray Allan purchased the company. MAC
is now
RAC. Go to:
http://www.rayallencompany.com/index.html>
Charlie Kuss
Hi,
Can anyone help with the contact details for Menzimer Aircraft
Components
Inc… I have a old address for Vista
CA….but no reply
from the
phone number I got… Have they gone out of business or has the
business
been sold..changed owner… ??
Regards
Jan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slide canopy compass mounting |
I've got some pictures of mine - its a SIRS compass - I used SSplatenuts
poprivets and screws on the SS roll bar brace.
I did mine just above the skin so as not to make my scan large......right or
wrong......
Contact me direct......
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:10 PM
>
>
> Quick question on compass mounting:
>
> I have an RV-6 with sliding canopy. Have a bracket to mount the compass
> on
> the roll bar support. Question is: where is the best place on the support
> to mount the compass? Toward the top near the roll bar? Halfway down the
> support or down at the bottom just above the top skin? Thanks.
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> RV-6A N197DM
> Plodding toward the blissful end.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hopperdhh(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
I'll guess its air bags to deploy in a crash -- like automobiles have. Ken
Kruger mentioned last year at OSH that he thought it would be a good idea. I
disagreed at the time, but have been thinking about it since then. Maybe it
is a good idea.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 7/14/2006 2:35:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr writes:
I suggested it could be a parachute attachment to the fuelage.
Michele
RV8 - Fuselage
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hopperdhh(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Nose gear failures (was new product announcement) |
Its pretty normal to always think it happens to the other guy. In this case
I'm the other guy!
I tore up my -7A pretty good when the nose gear got into soft dirt and
failed. I slid on wet grass as I was making a turn and went off the side of my
grass strip into some soft mud. I tried to add power to pull it back onto the
runway. As the nose wheel came to a clump of dirt it dug in and stopped the
plane. It almost went clear over. As it was, I needed to replace the prop,
engine mount and gear leg, the firewall and lower skin, and rebuild the
engine. Definitely an expensive mistake.
It was pilot error, but the design of the nose gear does not allow for much
of a mistake. I have always taken good care of the nose gear as I was
trained to do. These things happen quicker than you can think. Or, in this case,
quicker than I could think.
The replacement gear is of the new design, but I imagine that it would have
done the same thing. It was the fairing that caught the mud in this case.
Once it starts plowing it is not coming back up. If it were pavement, the new
design would probably help.
Please don't tell me what I should have done! I have had several weeks to
reflect on all of that. I have the airplane nearly back together now, and am
waiting on engine parts to get it going again. Should be back in the air in
a month or so.
Oh yeah, for you tail dragger pilots: You would probably have just gotten
back on the runway and been out of there. Something to think about.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 7/15/2006 12:12:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
steve(at)newtech.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart
Jim Sears wrote:
>
>
>> I fully understand where pilotage comes into the equation but I have
>> two nephews and a wife who will be taking their primary flight
>> training in my RV-7A flying off of a moderate length grass strip. I
>> think the oleo strut gear would be a slightly more robust nose gear.
>>
>
> Steve, all I can say is you're one brave fella. :-) As for
> the gear and primary training, having an instructor who
> is good with RVs will lessen the need for concern. I've
> bounced my nose gear over some humps in the runway
> that made me wonder if I'd bent the gear. It's still fine, even
> though it's the weaker one. It's a pretty springy
> unit. I've seen a C150 nose gear pushed way back into the firewall.
> Hey, one could let the students train in a C150/152 for a bit to get
> past that initial learning
> curve of reaching for the ground. Less risk on the -7A, that way. :-)
> Jim in KY
Hi Jim,
That is the plan. Get them solo'd in a 152 and transition to the -7A
during the next ten hours or so. I am not that concerned about the
current castering nose wheel as that is what I am building. I just
haven't heard of that many oleo equipped nose gears going over on their
back while I have heard of RV's going over. One of the 152's I took my
primary training in had its nose gear jammed up into the mount by one of
the students. Tore it up pretty good but didn't go over on its back. I
agree with you, if you are trained from the start to keep the weight off
of the nose you shouldn't have any problems.
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A, Just moved the project to its new hangar and should be mounting
the wings in a month or so.
do not archive
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jon Croke" <jon(at)joncroke.com> |
| Subject: | New DVD on Glass Panels |
This is an announcement of interest to the RV community that
www.HomebuiltHELP.com has just released a new DVD video presentation
entitled: " Building a Glass Panel for your Homebuilt Aircraft ".
It is a unique presentation in that it allows first time panel builders
see what is involved with designing and fabricating a modern electronic
display panel for their homebuilt by watching someone do it from start
to finish.
I will leave it at that and those that are interested in this topic can
visit the webpage outline at http://homebuilthelp.com/Glass_Panel.htm
Thanks!
Jon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nose gear failures (was new product announcement) |
Hopperdhh(at)aol.com wrote:
> Its pretty normal to always think it happens to the other guy. In
> this case I'm the other guy!
snip
> Oh yeah, for you tail dragger pilots: You would probably have just
> gotten back on the runway and been out of there. Something to think
> about.
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A
I'm one of those taildragger pilots (Pitts) ..... and it doesn't take
much for them to end up with the tail in the air. I know of a Pitts S-2
that was doing it's run-up on hard pavement. The airplane started to
move and the pilot applied more pressure to the brakes to stop eth
movement. Even with the stick full back to nail the tail on the ground
..... yup, you guessed right ..... over on it's nose. Prop and teardown
too. As you know, trying to power out of a predicament usually makes
things worse. No, not always, but usually.
Sorry to hear about your unfortunate misfortune ..... it was a learning
experience, I'm sure ..... and if it had ben a certificated airplane,
the costs of repairs would be a lot more.
Linn
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Electric trim switch replacement |
Hi Gang,
I have recently been having trouble with my electric trim switch. It is the
older rocker with the red/green trim position light mounted above. The
switch occasionally does not work, or it sticks in the "forward trim"
setting. Can one purchase the switch from Van's, or do I need another
source? Also can a toggle switch be used as a replacement? What
designation would that be? Thanks in advance.
Louis
-
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-360, C/S prop, 500.1 hrs !!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DAVID REEL" <dreel(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Tire marking material |
Has anyone found a material that will make a permanent mark on a tire
sidewall?
I've sprayed white auto body paint on mine a month ago and it has pretty
completely disappeared by now. My purpose is to easily move the airplane to
a point where the tire can be inflated without removing the wheel pants.
Dave Reel - RV8A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
I hope the air bag would mount up high enough so there was no chance
of it pushing the stick forward if it fired off in the air.
Otherwise a spurious firing could cause structural failure. I'm not
a big fan of electrically commanded systems with single point
failures that cause a catastrophic event.
Kevin Horton
On 15 Jul 2006, at 16:36, Terry Watson wrote:
>
> I read somewhere about airbags that are a part of the shoulder
> harness. The
> one I read about was for a single strap shoulder harness, such as in a
> Cessna. I think they were to be an option on some certified aircraft.
>
> Terry
>
>
>> I'll guess its air bags to deploy in a crash -- like automobiles
>> have.
>> Ken Kruger mentioned last year at OSH that he thought it would be
>> a good
>> idea. I disagreed at the time, but have been thinking about it since
>> then. Maybe it is a good idea.
>
> That would be a great announcement, and I would probably install them.
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tire marking material |
At 02:53 PM 7/15/2006, you wrote:
>
>Has anyone found a material that will make a permanent mark on a tire
>sidewall?
Yellow or white tire marking crayons are good enough.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Fasching" <n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com> |
| Subject: | Lightspeed Ignition Problem |
I have been using two Lightspeed Engineering Hall-effect electronic
ignition systems on my O-320 160HP engine in my RV6A for some time now,
all trouble free.
BUT, today upon returning from a nearby flyin breakfast the plane was
really "making knots" and was making about 180 TAS and 171 GPS ground
speed at 2,350-RPM, with a fuel burn of 6.7 GPH. So I was happy.
On shutdown, I always "kill" one ignition at a time to insure they are
both working (you can turn one off in flight and only see a 10-RPM
engine drop.) Today with the right side on alone it dropped engine rpm
by 400 to 500 and it ran REALLY rough. I put in new plugs, re-timed the
Hall-effect pickup units and got no improvement. Connections/connectors
all securely attached.
While its easy to suspect the electronic unit I do have to recognize
that the plugs are firing, albiet in strange ways, so the electronics
can't be "dead" - also in flight the roughness was not present, or at
least not noticeable.
I asked Klaus for an opinion but probably won't hear from him due to
upcoming OSH, etc. Any Lightspeed users out there have any suggestions?
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie Kuss <chaztuna(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The TRUTH about MOGAS |
Hi Glen
The squish band (aka quench area) is a tapered area on the
periphery of a cylinder head's combustion chamber. It's purpose is to
move the fuel/air mixture near the edges of this area, closer to the
center of the cylinder. It also creates turbulence. This aids in more
complete combustion of the fuel/air mixture. See links below for more
info & photos.
http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/squishcalc1.html
http://www.lambretta.net/cylinder-head.htm
http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcrob/rt-fuel2.html
Charlie Kuss
>
>
>HI Tim-
>
>This is getting interesting and closer to answering my curiosity. What is
>the "squish" you referred to?
>
>glen matejcek
>aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed Ignition Problem |
Check your coil connections. That is, the fast-on connectors that push
onto the coil terminals. Check the wires & crimps at those connectors.
Make sure there isn't any strain on 'em that has accumulated in form of
poor connection or break in those wires (been there done that).
Phase your coils as per the instructions on www.lsecorp.com. Make sure
both coils are firing properly.
That's about as much as I can tell ya. Let us know what works or
doesn't.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 5:18 PM
Subject: RV-List: Lightspeed Ignition Problem
I have been using two Lightspeed Engineering Hall-effect electronic
ignition systems on my O-320 160HP engine in my RV6A for some time now,
all trouble free.
BUT, today upon returning from a nearby flyin breakfast the plane was
really "making knots" and was making about 180 TAS and 171 GPS ground
speed at 2,350-RPM, with a fuel burn of 6.7 GPH. So I was happy.
On shutdown, I always "kill" one ignition at a time to insure they are
both working (you can turn one off in flight and only see a 10-RPM
engine drop.) Today with the right side on alone it dropped engine rpm
by 400 to 500 and it ran REALLY rough. I put in new plugs, re-timed the
Hall-effect pickup units and got no improvement. Connections/connectors
all securely attached.
While its easy to suspect the electronic unit I do have to recognize
that the plugs are firing, albiet in strange ways, so the electronics
can't be "dead" - also in flight the roughness was not present, or at
least not noticeable.
I asked Klaus for an opinion but probably won't hear from him due to
upcoming OSH, etc. Any Lightspeed users out there have any suggestions?
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed Ignition Problem |
John,
I experienced similar problems several years ago. I determined that it
was failure from heat soaking of the lightweight coils supplied by
Klaus. He suggested I replace them with General Motors coils which I
did. I have had no problems since, 1000 hours ago. Good Luck.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:18 PM
Subject: RV-List: Lightspeed Ignition Problem
I have been using two Lightspeed Engineering Hall-effect electronic
ignition systems on my O-320 160HP engine in my RV6A for some time now,
all trouble free.
BUT, today upon returning from a nearby flyin breakfast the plane was
really "making knots" and was making about 180 TAS and 171 GPS ground
speed at 2,350-RPM, with a fuel burn of 6.7 GPH. So I was happy.
On shutdown, I always "kill" one ignition at a time to insure they are
both working (you can turn one off in flight and only see a 10-RPM
engine drop.) Today with the right side on alone it dropped engine rpm
by 400 to 500 and it ran REALLY rough. I put in new plugs, re-timed the
Hall-effect pickup units and got no improvement. Connections/connectors
all securely attached.
While its easy to suspect the electronic unit I do have to recognize
that the plugs are firing, albiet in strange ways, so the electronics
can't be "dead" - also in flight the roughness was not present, or at
least not noticeable.
I asked Klaus for an opinion but probably won't hear from him due to
upcoming OSH, etc. Any Lightspeed users out there have any suggestions?
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed Ignition Problem |
Just remove and reseat all the connections. I had a loss of
one side once that nothing fixed. It finally went away and my
opinion is that some corrosion impacted the connection of one
of the wires to the coils. The multiple reconnecting may have
"cleaned" the corrosion.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Steerable nose gear (or MMTB) |
In a message dated 7/14/06 7:49:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jmsears(at)adelphia.net writes:
> > I fully understand where pilotage comes into the
> > equation but I have two nephews and a wife who
> > will be taking their primary flight training in my RV-7A
> > flying off of a moderate length grass strip. I think the
> > oleo strut gear would be a slightly more robust nose gear.
> >
>
> Steve, all I can say is you're one brave fella. :-)
====================================
WOW Steve ... You are TOO kind.
If this fella was a friend I would read him the riot act!
I would not even consider ANY instructor an instructor if he accepted this
challenge.
And what insurance company would insure the plane or instructor under these
conditions.
Hello J. F. Kennedy, Jr., your family plot is waiting.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Kraus" <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
| Subject: | Lightspeed Ignition Problem |
We had the same problem. Pulled off the contacts to the coils, cleaned
them all up, and put them back together. Fixed the problem.
-Mike
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:35 PM
Just remove and reseat all the connections. I had a loss of one side
once that nothing fixed. It finally went away and my opinion is that
some corrosion impacted the connection of one of the wires to the coils.
The multiple reconnecting may have "cleaned" the corrosion.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | homebuilt blimps, was Major new product announcement from Vans |
Hi Stormy-
Re: why are there no homebuilt blimps flying?
IIRC, there was a pedal powered, one seat blimp at OSH some years back. I
think it ws the brain child and gimmick of some comedian. Really!
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | OAT probe position |
I am about to hook up the outside air temp probe. After consulting the
web (thank goodness) I am thinking about placing the sensor in the FAB
prior to the air filter in the snorkel area. My logic says it would give
me OAT with out the heating of the engine temps affecting it. It should
give me air temps for my EFIS to compute DA. My second choice is the
inboard inspection panel in the wing. The FAB position would require no
disconnecting. Am I not seeing something?
Jim Nelson
RV9-A FWF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | The TRUTH about MOGAS |
Hi Charlie-
Thanks for the links. They gave me just what I needed-
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael B." <brewtoo(at)yyhmail.com> |
| Subject: | best construction web sites |
I have great respect for those who can build an RV. I am even more impressed by
those who build RVs and also build web sites to document their work.
There are so many great sites!
What are your favorites? Which have helped you most?
Thanks
--
_______________________________________________
Get your free email from http://www.yyhmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie Kuss <chaztuna(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed Ignition Problem |
Dick
What GM coils are you referring to? Late model Corvette items?
V-6/V-8 DIS (distributorless Ignition System) coils? Could you supply
a part number or vehicle/engine application?
Charlie Kuss
>John,
>I experienced similar problems several years ago. I determined
>that it was failure from heat soaking of the lightweight coils
>supplied by Klaus. He suggested I replace them with General Motors
>coils which I did. I have had no problems since, 1000 hours ago. Good Luck.
>Dick Martin
>RV8 N233M
>the fast one
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com>John Fasching
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:18 PM
>Subject: RV-List: Lightspeed Ignition Problem
>
>I have been using two Lightspeed Engineering Hall-effect electronic
>ignition systems on my O-320 160HP engine in my RV6A for some time
>now, all trouble free.
>
>BUT, today upon returning from a nearby flyin breakfast the plane
>was really "making knots" and was making about 180 TAS and 171 GPS
>ground speed at 2,350-RPM, with a fuel burn of 6.7 GPH. So I was happy.
>
>On shutdown, I always "kill" one ignition at a time to insure they
>are both working (you can turn one off in flight and only see a
>10-RPM engine drop.) Today with the right side on alone it dropped
>engine rpm by 400 to 500 and it ran REALLY rough. I put in new
>plugs, re-timed the Hall-effect pickup units and got no improvement.
>Connections/connectors all securely attached.
>
>While its easy to suspect the electronic unit I do have to recognize
>that the plugs are firing, albiet in strange ways, so the
>electronics can't be "dead" - also in flight the roughness was not
>present, or at least not noticeable.
>
>I asked Klaus for an opinion but probably won't hear from him due to
>upcoming OSH, etc. Any Lightspeed users out there have any suggestions?
>
>John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | VM1000 light system failure |
Fellow listers,
Anyone out there experience a failure mode with their VM1000 internal
lighting system? The lights worked up until a few days ago...I'm trying to
remember if I have done anything to the lighting system that might cause the
failure mode sooooo........
Here's the troubleshooting that I have already done:
Pin 20 has 13.3 VDC
Pin 21 has between 4.1 VDC and 10.8 VDC depending on the dimmer setting
Pin 22 has continuity to ground
These three are 'as designed' in my opinion - so the proper stuff is at
least getting to the DPU.
Is there something that I can check on the cable between the DPU and the
display?
I've sent a note to Vision Microsystems - I'll post their response.........
Ralph Capen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tracy Crook" <lors01(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed Ignition Problem |
Don't know what GM coils Klaus uses but, I have had similar symptoms
with my system (rotary engine, but they all need spark) and it was due
to heat soaking of coils. I use GM coils for the LS1 engine and the
failures occurred with the truck version of the LS1. The Corvette
version has always worked flawlessly.
Point being that all GM coils are not created equal. The Corvette coils
are made by Nippon Denso (I love their stuff). The truck version was
made by Hitachi I think.
Tracy Crook
----- Original Message -----
From: dick martin<mailto:martin(at)gbonline.com>
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Lightspeed Ignition Problem
John,
I experienced similar problems several years ago. I determined that
it was failure from heat soaking of the lightweight coils supplied by
Klaus. He suggested I replace them with General Motors coils which I
did. I have had no problems since, 1000 hours ago. Good Luck.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching<mailto:n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com>
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:18 PM
Subject: RV-List: Lightspeed Ignition Problem
I have been using two Lightspeed Engineering Hall-effect electronic
ignition systems on my O-320 160HP engine in my RV6A for some time now,
all trouble free.
BUT, today upon returning from a nearby flyin breakfast the plane
was really "making knots" and was making about 180 TAS and 171 GPS
ground speed at 2,350-RPM, with a fuel burn of 6.7 GPH. So I was happy.
On shutdown, I always "kill" one ignition at a time to insure they
are both working (you can turn one off in flight and only see a 10-RPM
engine drop.) Today with the right side on alone it dropped engine rpm
by 400 to 500 and it ran REALLY rough. I put in new plugs, re-timed the
Hall-effect pickup units and got no improvement. Connections/connectors
all securely attached.
While its easy to suspect the electronic unit I do have to recognize
that the plugs are firing, albiet in strange ways, so the electronics
can't be "dead" - also in flight the roughness was not present, or at
least not noticeable.
I asked Klaus for an opinion but probably won't hear from him due to
upcoming OSH, etc. Any Lightspeed users out there have any suggestions?
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Lightspeed Ignition Problem |
Another problem I had with rough running was not obvious with a casual
inspection. One wire had broken inside the connector (lead to a coil). I
just found it by accidentally hitting the wire instead of the connector and
saw that it was broken. It is well secured now!
Since the cowl is off to fix something else I will take a picture of the
repaired
wire connection.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Tire marking material |
In a message dated 7/15/2006 1:54:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dreel(at)cox.net writes:
Has anyone found a material that will make a permanent mark on a tire
sidewall?
======================
I used the white-out correction fluid for making ink corrections to
documents. It worked well enough and was free from work.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming(at)sigecom.net> |
| Subject: | Re: OAT probe position |
You should put it near the wing inspection plate to have better, consistent
readings. Indiana Larry
----- Original Message -----
>
> I am about to hook up the outside air temp probe. After consulting the
> web (thank goodness) I am thinking about placing the sensor in the FAB
> prior to the air filter in the snorkel area. My logic says it would give
> me OAT with out the heating of the engine temps affecting it. It should
> give me air temps for my EFIS to compute DA. My second choice is the
> inboard inspection panel in the wing. The FAB position would require no
> disconnecting. Am I not seeing something?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ernie & Margo" <ekells(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: OAT probe position |
I put a Davtron OAT instrument (ACS: page 374) beside the map box and the
OAT probe beside the inner inspection plate on the right wing.
It comes prewired - it's long enough to install without cutting or adding
wire. Very accessible and very maintainable.
Seems remote enough from the prop/engine heat.
>
> You should put it near the wing inspection plate to have better,
> consistent readings. Indiana Larry
>
>>
>> I am about to hook up the outside air temp probe. After consulting the
>> web (thank goodness) I am thinking about placing the sensor in the FAB
>> prior to the air filter in the snorkel area. My logic says it would give
>> me OAT with out the heating of the engine temps affecting it. It should
>> give me air temps for my EFIS to compute DA. My second choice is the
>> inboard inspection panel in the wing. The FAB position would require no
>> disconnecting. Am I not seeing something?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Lightspeed Ignition Problem |
Here is a link to the pic. One of the wires to the closest coil broke
just inside the insulated portion of the connector. When I rewired it
I added about three layers of heat shrink. The original method is
somewhat visible in the out of focus right side coil.
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/CoilWireRepair.jpg
Ron Lee
>Another problem I had with rough running was not obvious with a casual
>inspection. One wire had broken inside the connector (lead to a coil). I
>just found it by accidentally hitting the wire instead of the connector and
>saw that it was broken. It is well secured now!
>
>Since the cowl is off to fix something else I will take a picture of the
>repaired
>wire connection.
>
>Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: homebuilt blimps, was Major new product announcement |
glen matejcek wrote:
>
>
> Hi Stormy-
>
>Re: why are there no homebuilt blimps flying?
>
>IIRC, there was a pedal powered, one seat blimp at OSH some years back. I
>think it ws the brain child and gimmick of some comedian. Really!
>
Correcto! The comedian is Galagher .... one of my favorites. He also
had a smaller version that was electrical powered and radio controlled.
The guy that built the stuff is an EAA member ..... don't know if
Galagher is though.
Linn
>
>glen matejcek
>aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Fasching" <n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com> |
| Subject: | Lightspeed Electronic Igntion Probelm - SOLVED |
Thanks for all your suggestions - most of them were about on the mark.
After replacing all plugs and re-timing (2nd time) I began ohm meter
work and something "funny" was found at one transformer....after
unwrapping some electrical tape I found the inside insulating material
on the coaxial cable from the electronics box to the input side of one
transformer has shrunk back far enough that the inside conductor was
shorted to the braid. (probably from engine heat) So, naturally, the
input to the transformer was 'gone.' A temporary repair confired all is
well. I will just replace the entire coax cable upon my return from OSH
(am driving to test out my new "Cubby" teardrop camper this year.)
Again, thanks folks for your help. You don't relaize how close to the
actural problem many of you were. Thanks again.
John at Salida, CO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Denis Walsh <denis.walsh(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: OAT probe position |
I have tried several positions and returned to my original choice.
It is on the aft fuselage, right side, under the horizontal
stabilizer. It has virtually no errors, reads ok even at zero
airspeed. It is especially good for the Dynon since I have the
magnetometer mounted on the deck in front of the stabilizer. The
wiring on the Dynon OAT probe goes to the magnetometer.
Only down side (pun) is that it is in the sun while inverted. Since
I only use that position momentarily it works well for me.
Denis Walsh
On Jul 16, 2006, at 07:22 265390007, James H Nelson wrote:
>
> I am about to hook up the outside air temp probe. After consulting
> the
> web (thank goodness) I am thinking about placing the sensor in the FAB
> prior to the air filter in the snorkel area. My logic says it would
> give
> me OAT with out the heating of the engine temps affecting it. It
> should
> give me air temps for my EFIS to compute DA. My second choice is the
> inboard inspection panel in the wing. The FAB position would
> require no
> disconnecting. Am I not seeing something?
>
>
> Jim Nelson
> RV9-A FWF
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | pcowper(at)webtv.net (Pete Cowper) |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
>"I'll guess its air bags to deploy in a crash"
So how will it tell the difference between a crash and one of my normal
crappy landings?!!
Pete Cowper
RV-8 #81139
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | best construction web sites |
Michael,
I'm no geek on computers and with my first build I did it with a
camera and made a scrapbook. Now I have a digital camera and it makes it
soooo much easier. I am using Expercraft.com. It is free and you can
upload your pix with each days work. I really appreciate the ease and
of course, no expense for the web site. Your welcome to visit my site at
http://websites,expercraft.com/jimn to see how my build is going.
Jim Nelson
RV9-A FWF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg(at)snowcrest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
My instructor told me if I walk away its a good landing...if I can fly the
plane again, that's a great landing.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 4:12 PM
>
> >"I'll guess its air bags to deploy in a crash"
>
> So how will it tell the difference between a crash and one of my normal
> crappy landings?!!
>
> Pete Cowper
> RV-8 #81139
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mark E Navratil <czechsix(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tire marking material |
Dave,
Before putting my wheel pants on I marked each tire with a dot using
yellow torque seal. I just smeared it around a bit to work it into the
rubber....if you were to put a three-dimensional glob of it on the tire
sidewall (the way you normally use the stuff for its intended
application) I'm sure it would break right off, but so far after 67 hours
the marks still show clearly. Easy to do and doesn't require a seperate
purchase if you've already got some laying around the hangar....
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D flying and grinning like an idiot....
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Has anyone found a material that will make a permanent mark on a tire
sidewall?
I've sprayed white auto body paint on mine a month ago and it has pretty
completely disappeared by now. My purpose is to easily move the airplane
to
a point where the tire can be inflated without removing the wheel pants.
Dave Reel - RV8A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: OAT probe position |
Jim:
The recommendation to your idea is no. Anything in the
engine compartment is HOT, even the inside of the FAB.
Also you want to be as far away from the engine and prop
air blast as practical like on the tail or outb'd wing.
The entire engine area is a heated zone.
I understand you think it is ahead of the heat. I guess if you
had it on the tip of the spinner, but Anything in the engine
compartment, inside the airbox included is hotter than the
ambient air temp of the air mass you are flying through.
Common locations are lwr surface of wing tip or mid wing
inspection cover or under horz tail in inspection elevator bell
crank access cover. The further away from the engine
in any direction the better.
George M RV-4, RV-7
>posted by: James H Nelson
>
>I am thinking about placing the sensor in the FAB
>prior to the air filter in the snorkel area. My logic says
>it would give me OAT with out the heating of the engine
>temps affecting it. It should give me air temps for my
>EFIS to compute DA. My second choice is the inboard
>inspection panel in the wing. The FAB position would
>require no disconnecting. Am I not seeing something?
>The inboard inspection wing location is fine. Besides
>how often are your wings going on and off after you
>start flying? Do you want to route more wires thru
>the fire wall
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DAVID REEL" <dreel(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Have a Grand Rapids EIS 4000 manual as computer file? |
I'd like to make up a small pilot's manual for the EIS 4000. Does anyone
have the full manual in electronic form they could email to me at
dreel(at)cox.net? Then I wouldn't have to type in all those tables. I've also
asked Grand Rapids but no response to my email yet.
Dave Reel - RV8A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Seiders <seiders(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: OAT probe position |
Naca duct works
At 09:22 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:
>
>I am about to hook up the outside air temp probe. After consulting the
>web (thank goodness) I am thinking about placing the sensor in the FAB
>prior to the air filter in the snorkel area. My logic says it would give
>me OAT with out the heating of the engine temps affecting it. It should
>give me air temps for my EFIS to compute DA. My second choice is the
>inboard inspection panel in the wing. The FAB position would require no
>disconnecting. Am I not seeing something?
>
>
>Jim Nelson
>RV9-A FWF
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed Ignition Problem |
Charlie,
I went to an auto parts store and asked for a standard GM coil.
Apparantly, this is a very common item. You will have to mount them on
the firewall over a piece of non conductive material, because the
contact point is on the bottom of the coil. I used brass strips to
exit the coil and provide a spade connector for the input to the coil.
The output of course is a sparkplug wire.
Dick Martin
Getting ready for the Air Venture race
----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Kuss
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Lightspeed Ignition Problem
Dick
What GM coils are you referring to? Late model Corvette items?
V-6/V-8 DIS (distributorless Ignition System) coils? Could you supply a
part number or vehicle/engine application?
Charlie Kuss
John,
I experienced similar problems several years ago. I determined
that it was failure from heat soaking of the lightweight coils supplied
by Klaus. He suggested I replace them with General Motors coils which I
did. I have had no problems since, 1000 hours ago. Good Luck.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fasching
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:18 PM
Subject: RV-List: Lightspeed Ignition Problem
I have been using two Lightspeed Engineering Hall-effect
electronic ignition systems on my O-320 160HP engine in my RV6A for some
time now, all trouble free.
BUT, today upon returning from a nearby flyin breakfast the plane
was really "making knots" and was making about 180 TAS and 171 GPS
ground speed at 2,350-RPM, with a fuel burn of 6.7 GPH. So I was happy.
On shutdown, I always "kill" one ignition at a time to insure they
are both working (you can turn one off in flight and only see a 10-RPM
engine drop.) Today with the right side on alone it dropped engine rpm
by 400 to 500 and it ran REALLY rough. I put in new plugs, re-timed the
Hall-effect pickup units and got no improvement. Connections/connectors
all securely attached.
While its easy to suspect the electronic unit I do have to
recognize that the plugs are firing, albiet in strange ways, so the
electronics can't be "dead" - also in flight the roughness was not
present, or at least not noticeable.
I asked Klaus for an opinion but probably won't hear from him due
to upcoming OSH, etc. Any Lightspeed users out there have any
suggestions?
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: OAT probe position |
>Naca duct works
Negative on an RV-6A. You get too much heat from the engine area.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: OAT probe position |
Nope, not if you want an accurate reading. I was doing some glide
performance testing on an RV-6 in the winter, and the OAT indication
varied depending on how much cabin heat we had selected. The back
side of the probe was being warmed from the cockpit, and that was
affecting the indication. This would likely be an issue even if
cabin heat was not selected, as the greenhouse effect from the canopy
means the cockpit temperature is usually warmer than ambient.
Kevin Horton
On 17 Jul 2006, at 08:42, Richard Seiders wrote:
>
> Naca duct works
>
>
> At 09:22 AM 7/16/2006, you wrote:
>>
>> I am about to hook up the outside air temp probe. After
>> consulting the
>> web (thank goodness) I am thinking about placing the sensor in the
>> FAB
>> prior to the air filter in the snorkel area. My logic says it
>> would give
>> me OAT with out the heating of the engine temps affecting it. It
>> should
>> give me air temps for my EFIS to compute DA. My second choice is the
>> inboard inspection panel in the wing. The FAB position would
>> require no
>> disconnecting. Am I not seeing something?
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Galati" <rick6a(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: OAT probe position |
Very true. The only time my NACA duct mounted OAT probe is accurate is when the
airplane has finally cooled down to the ambient temperature, such as occurs
after being parked in the hangar overnight. One of these days I will get around
to relocating that probe and the farther away from the engine compartment,
the better.
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 153 hours
ronlee(at)pcisys.net wrote:
>
> > Naca duct works
> >
> >
>
>
> Negative on an RV-6A. You get too much heat from the engine area.
>
> Ron Lee
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=47841#47841
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "macrafic" <macrafic(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: OAT probe position |
I had asked Dynon about the OAT position a few months ago. They indicated that,
while they could not tell me where to put it, that RV aircraft had had excellent
results in the rear fuselage under the horizontal stabilizer. Covering their
legal positions while still trying to answer my question. So, I'm going
to go with the that soltion, the same one Denis Walsh has stated in another reply
here.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=47856#47856
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hopperdhh(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed Ignition Problem |
In a message dated 7/17/2006 9:13:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
martin(at)gbonline.com writes:
Charlie,
I went to an auto parts store and asked for a standard GM coil. Apparantly,
this is a very common item. You will have to mount them on the firewall
over a piece of non conductive material, because the contact point is on the
bottom of the coil. I used brass strips to exit the coil and provide a spade
connector for the input to the coil. The output of course is a sparkplug
wire.
Dick Martin
Getting ready for the Air Venture race
Having worked on the design of GM's distributorless ignition systems, I can
pass along a small piece of advice. Ground the laminations of the coils. I
think the GM coils will have a metal strip evident under one of the mounting
bolts. Be sure this gets grounded. Otherwise the laminations float to a
high voltage and finally arc causing radio noise or interference to the
electronics of the ignition system.
Along the same lines, if the secondary connections have even a very small
gap you get what we called micro-arcing. A 1 thousandth of an inch arc,
believe it or not, causes interference that can wreak havoc with the electronics
of
the ignition system -- that is the computer or logic driving the coils.
This micro-arcing is much harder to deal with than the arc at the spark plug gap.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Seiders <seiders(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: OAT probe position |
Maybe on your 6A, not mine. My oat is consistent with in air temp reports.
Guess it depends where you put it.
Dick
At 09:23 AM 7/17/2006, you wrote:
>
>
>>Naca duct works
>
>
>Negative on an RV-6A. You get too much heat from the engine area.
>
>Ron Lee
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Hudson" <hudzilla(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: best construction web sites |
After looking at the products offered, free or otherwise I decided I wanted
more control on the daily pages. No restriction on how many pictures and
the ability to embed the photos in the text so I used MediaWiki. Its the
software used by Wikipedia and is open-source so it is free. Didn't take
but about an hour to come up to speed and most hosting companies have the
script to get you started easily.
I agree about the digital camera. I also recomend using Picasa2 from the
Google site. Handles downloading the photos from your camera and all the
corrections and sizing you might want to do; all for free.
My site is www.N669RV.com and I welcome any constructive criticism.
Michael Hudson
Hillsboro, Oregon
On 7/16/06, James H Nelson wrote:
>
>
> Michael,
> I'm no geek on computers and with my first build I did it with a
> camera and made a scrapbook. Now I have a digital camera and it makes it
> soooo much easier. I am using Expercraft.com. It is free and you can
> upload your pix with each days work. I really appreciate the ease and
> of course, no expense for the web site. Your welcome to visit my site at
> http://websites,expercraft.com/jimn to see how my build is going.
>
> Jim Nelson
> RV9-A FWF
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | alan(at)reichertech.com |
| Subject: | Marker Beacon Antennas |
Does anyone have any meaningful info on the drag due to the different
marker beacon antenna types (boat vs. sled)?
- Alan
RV-8 Perpetual Tail Kit
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DOUGPFLYRV(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Marker Beacon Antennas |
Bob Archer says a stripped coax in the wingtip will do the trick.....no
antenna needed.
I think it is 40" long. Did that in my 10 but not flying yet.
Doug
#40372
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: OAT probe position |
People can do anything even if wrong but with the prevailing comments that
away from the engine area is best why anyone would still go against good
advise is beyond me.
Ron Lee
>Maybe on your 6A, not mine. My oat is consistent with in air temp reports.
>Guess it depends where you put it.
>Dick
>
>
>At 09:23 AM 7/17/2006, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Naca duct works
>>
>>
>>Negative on an RV-6A. You get too much heat from the engine area.
>>
>>Ron Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Marker Beacon Antennas |
What Doug describes worked great for me. As per the recommendation of
several "experts," I took a 40" length of RG400 and stripped away the
outer jacket and double shielding, leaving just the insulated center
conductor. Glassed that into my right wingtip, bottom surface. There
is a BNC connector on it so I can remove the wingtip easily. I do fly
IFR with my RV-7, fwiw, got about 1000 hours on it. This marker beacon
approach WORKS.
whatsoever. Strip of aluminum or copper for example. Whatever floats
your boat.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: DOUGPFLYRV(at)aol.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Marker Beacon Antennas
Bob Archer says a stripped coax in the wingtip will do the
trick.....no antenna needed.
I think it is 40" long. Did that in my 10 but not flying yet.
Doug
#40372
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LessDragProd(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Marker Beacon Antennas |
Bob suggests mounting the 40" wire starting at the trailing edge of the
wingtip. The wire should run 3" outboard (and parallel to) the metal wing skin.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 07/17/2006 11:28:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
dan(at)rvproject.com writes:
What Doug describes worked great for me. As per the recommendation of
several "experts," I took a 40" length of RG400 and stripped away the outer jacket
and double shielding, leaving just the insulated center conductor. Glassed
that into my right wingtip, bottom surface. There is a BNC connector on it
so I can remove the wingtip easily. I do fly IFR with my RV-7, fwiw, got
about 1000 hours on it. This marker beacon approach WORKS.
Strip of aluminum or copper for example. Whatever floats your boat.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
_http://www.rvproject.com_ (http://www.rvproject.com/)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | Marker Beacon Antennas |
I also did this, although I'm not flying yet either. You can see some
less than spectacular pics here:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=msausen&project=22
&ca
tegory=624&log=6520&row=4
You may need to paste the link back together. Sorry, I'm too lazy to
use a URL shortener. ;-)
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Recent RV-10 Build Activity
<http://www.mykitlog.com/display_project.php?project_id=22>
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:24 PM
What Doug describes worked great for me. As per the recommendation of
several "experts," I took a 40" length of RG400 and stripped away the
outer jacket and double shielding, leaving just the insulated center
conductor. Glassed that into my right wingtip, bottom surface. There
is a BNC connector on it so I can remove the wingtip easily. I do fly
IFR with my RV-7, fwiw, got about 1000 hours on it. This marker beacon
approach WORKS.
whatsoever. Strip of aluminum or copper for example. Whatever floats
your boat.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: DOUGPFLYRV(at)aol.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Marker Beacon Antennas
Bob Archer says a stripped coax in the wingtip will do the
trick.....no antenna needed.
I think it is 40" long. Did that in my 10 but not flying yet.
Doug
#40372
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nic" <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk> |
Fuel is expensive and unfortunately my RH tank decides to empty itself via
the air vent / drain whenever it is either full or it gets hot.
Our guess is that the air vent tube doesn't reach the top of the tank, hence
the pressure builds up and vents the fuel (If you open the filler there is a
gush of released air pressure). The LH tank behaves itself.
I don't want to remove the tank as I am flying - If I drill a 16" vent in
the filler cap of this problematic QB tank, will the tank empty due to
venturi in-flight - or is this the best solution ?
Any remedies to save my fuel bill - much appreciated.
Rgds, Nic
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Denis Walsh <denis.walsh(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank vent |
One cause could be a loose connection (internal) of the vent line-to-
inboard rib. This will allow the expanding air to force fuel
overboard until the tank is more than half empty!
check the vent line for integrity. If needed, It can be tightened
by removing the inspection plate and use a mirror to guide your
wrench to tighten it up.
You would be surprised how many of those forget to get themselves
tightened back up after loosening for riveting the tanks.
Denis Walsh
On Jul 17, 2006, at 07:13 548330007, Nic wrote:
>
> Fuel is expensive and unfortunately my RH tank decides to empty
> itself via
> the air vent / drain whenever it is either full or it gets hot.
>
> Our guess is that the air vent tube doesn't reach the top of the
> tank, hence
> the pressure builds up and vents the fuel (If you open the filler
> there is a
> gush of released air pressure). The LH tank behaves itself.
>
> I don't want to remove the tank as I am flying - If I drill a 16"
> vent in
> the filler cap of this problematic QB tank, will the tank empty due to
> venturi in-flight - or is this the best solution ?
>
> Any remedies to save my fuel bill - much appreciated.
>
> Rgds, Nic
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Hudson" <hudzilla(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Van's announcement leaked |
I heard they have come up with a 5 part epoxy primer that we will all be
required to use. This is good because it solves the primer war, but the
down side is it only comes in the color mauve so our cockpits will not be so
pretty...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Denis Walsh <denis.walsh(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Van's announcement leaked |
My guess is that this was leaked simply because Van's generally
dislikes the RV list. They knew they could jam it up with this crap
for at least a few weeks.
Sigh. What a great way to spam up the RV list.
Do not archive.
Denis Walsh
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank vent |
On 17 Jul 2006, at 17:13, Nic wrote:
>
> Fuel is expensive and unfortunately my RH tank decides to empty
> itself via
> the air vent / drain whenever it is either full or it gets hot.
>
> Our guess is that the air vent tube doesn't reach the top of the
> tank, hence
> the pressure builds up and vents the fuel (If you open the filler
> there is a
> gush of released air pressure). The LH tank behaves itself.
>
> I don't want to remove the tank as I am flying - If I drill a 16"
> vent in
> the filler cap of this problematic QB tank, will the tank empty due to
> venturi in-flight - or is this the best solution ?
>
> Any remedies to save my fuel bill - much appreciated.
I would expect that you should be able to see the outboard end of the
vent through the filler cap with a mirror and a flashlight. Compare
the ones on the left and the right to see if there is a difference.
If the right one isn't up against the top of the tank, it could
explain the problem. I don't see an easy way to fix that. I think
the tank would have to come off, and you would cut a hole in the rear
baffle to provide access, then proseal a cover on.
If the outboard end of the vent line looks normal, another
possibility would be if the vent line inside the tank wasn't
connected to the fitting on the inboard rib. If this is the problem,
you could get at it via the access cover on the inboard rib.
Good luck,
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Garry" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parking Brake Location |
I am at the point now where I need to install the parking brake on my RV7A.
There are no directions or instructions that I could find as to how or where
to install it. What have some of you experienced builders done?
Or......should I just forget about installing it altogether since I'm now
doubting whether I really need it. Comments?
Garry Stout
RV7A, Odessa Florida
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com> |
Nic:
Everyone else have told possible causes and potental fixes.
Just a warning. DO NOT dirll a hole in your filler cap. You will lose more
fuel when you are flying from the low pressure suction over the wing.
About all I can add to what others have said, only fill the tank part way to
see if it vents fuel on the ground. How low does it need to be before it
stops venting? If I fill my tanks, I will vent out some fuel in the hot sun
but it stops when the fuel quits expanding. Have you measured the amout of
fuel that comes out of the vent? If you get one or two liters and it stops,
it may only be expansion of fuel in a full tank. If you get more than 6 or
8 liters, then more than likely the vent line is lose at the bulkhead
fitting.
After the inspection of the vent line at the fuel cap as others suggested,
if it looks good, find a helper and a hose. Connect the hose to the vent
and blow into the tank. Have your friend look in the tank through the
filler to see where the air is coming out. Should narrow down where the
leak is.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,894 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
Fuel is expensive and unfortunately my RH tank decides to empty itself via
the air vent / drain whenever it is either full or it gets hot.
Our guess is that the air vent tube doesn't reach the top of the tank, hence
the pressure builds up and vents the fuel (If you open the filler there is a
gush of released air pressure). The LH tank behaves itself.
I don't want to remove the tank as I am flying - If I drill a 16" vent in
the filler cap of this problematic QB tank, will the tank empty due to
venturi in-flight - or is this the best solution ?
Any remedies to save my fuel bill - much appreciated.
Rgds, Nic
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Marker Beacon Antennas |
The marker beacon antenna works very well in the fiberglass wingtip of my
RV8.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 12:38 PM
>
>
> Does anyone have any meaningful info on the drag due to the different
> marker beacon antenna types (boat vs. sled)?
>
> - Alan
> RV-8 Perpetual Tail Kit
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Holland" <hollandm(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank vent |
I vote for a loose connection at the bulkhead fitting, That would
explain
the =BD tank effect.
Note that Vans SB to safety wire and tighten internal fittings on 7 and
9
tanks includes the very fitting mentioned.
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Van's announcement leaked |
Denis:
Way back when, some of Van's employees most knowledgeable employees
participated actively on the list (on their own time) and provided
invaluable assistance to the early builders. I'm sure they were discouraged
by the signal to noise ratio and gave up.
Dick Sipp
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:43 PM
>
> My guess is that this was leaked simply because Van's generally dislikes
> the RV list. They knew they could jam it up with this crap for at least
> a few weeks.
>
> Sigh. What a great way to spam up the RV list.
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> Denis Walsh
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Van's announcement leaked |
OOPS, one too many "employees" in the last message.
Sorry.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:48 PM
>
> Denis:
>
> Way back when, some of Van's employees most knowledgeable employees
> participated actively on the list (on their own time) and provided
> invaluable assistance to the early builders. I'm sure they were
> discouraged by the signal to noise ratio and gave up.
>
> Dick Sipp
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:43 PM
>
>
>>
>> My guess is that this was leaked simply because Van's generally dislikes
>> the RV list. They knew they could jam it up with this crap for at least
>> a few weeks.
>>
>> Sigh. What a great way to spam up the RV list.
>>
>> Do not archive.
>>
>>
>> Denis Walsh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
>> http://wiki.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Parking Brake Location |
In a message dated 7/17/2006 4:56:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com writes:
I am at the point now where I need to install the parking brake on my RV7A.
There are no directions or instructions that I could find as to how or where
to install it. What have some of you experienced builders done?
===============================
I find mine very useful, but make sure you do the change over to the Viton
O-rings and MIL-PRF-83282 fluid while you're at it.
My cable is a detent (semi-locking) bowden type and is mounted to the left
gear tower. I have the Cleveland Brand Parking Brake Valve and use it all the
time.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| From: | Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Marker Beacon Antennas |
On my new panel conversion, I added a bent whip for a
second comm, a boat type marker beacon antenna in my
RV-4. No change in cruise performance. Nothing
measurable, anyway. Go to www.mykitlog.com/pbesing
and you can see the antenna placements.
Paul Besing
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| From: | "Jim Jewell" <jjewell(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Parking Brake Location |
Gary,
I mounted mine about 4" to 5" directly above the standard location for the
flex lines to the brake pedals. Because it was a retro fit I made up two
short extensions with aluminums tubing and AN fittings. the mount for the
park brake took some thinking but worked out fine.
There is an issue with the positioning of the actuating arm on the unit.
Mine came from Van's without paper work of any kind and it took a bit
research to find out the precise brake on and brake off positioning of it
for the best functioning hook-up. There where quite a few emails on the list
about it during that time so the archives do have the info.
I no longer have the info on hand However I'm sure someone will be happy to
come forward with the right info.
I like the idea of having the feature and I have had the occasion to use it
twice now while moving the as yet un-flown aircraft.
Lots of luck,
Jim in Kelowna - it'll fly soon
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 4:52 PM
>
> I am at the point now where I need to install the parking brake on my
> RV7A. There are no directions or instructions that I could find as to how
> or where to install it. What have some of you experienced builders done?
> Or......should I just forget about installing it altogether since I'm now
> doubting whether I really need it. Comments?
>
> Garry Stout
> RV7A, Odessa Florida
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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| From: | <gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: OAT probe position |
Is that true or indicated? MPH or Knots? Degrees F or C?
>From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
>Of course, there is always the temperature rise due to
>compressibility.
>
>I'm surprised some of the technocrats haven't jumped
>in on this. At 200 mph, it should be about 3 degrees
>at the stagnation point. Or 90% of that in the boundary
>layer.
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| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Parking Brake Location |
Hi Gary,
How's the build going? I bought a parking brake unit but
decided to not use it. There seems to be no consensus on where. I think
Dan Checkoways RV7 project on his web site shows how he did it. It
required a small bracket that is riveted to the fire wall. It provided
space to bolt it and provide room for the actuator to function..
I'm doing the FWF on my "9". I bought Vettermans mufflers
instead of straight pipes. Take a look at my web site on my progress.
http://websites.expercraft.com/jimn . I made a rig to move my airplane
to the airport using the Chinese trailer. The trailer is 4' x 8' and
rated at 1000#. Since I'll not have the wings or tail feathers on, it
should take it OK. I'll also use it to get out of Dodge if a hurricane
comes our way and its not flying yet, I'm not going to let it get
scrunched. I got a place in Tenn. that I can put it if I have to. Just
trying to be prepared. It would be a slow trip but at least my labor
would be covered.
Jim Nelson
RV9-A FWF
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| From: | "Jekyll" <rcitjh(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Parking Brake Location |
Put it right where the current brake bracket is mounted. In this way, your brake
lines will be the same as the drawings show and won't require any new, or more
lines. Remove the bracket, and install one of your own design. It won't take
you long to make a new bracket.
Jekyll
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| From: | "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
I wrote this on the rv7 list, but it's not an airplane until the FAA says it is.
Until then it's just a pile of metal.
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kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| From: | "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
I was thinking the same thing about upsetting the neighbor thing. Got to get a
hoot of this though. If the the guy wants to push it they really can't do anything.
Like I said it's not an airplane until the FAA says so. Then if they
change it to read that you can't build or modify anything on your premise, than
you can't build any car ports or anything of the likeing, even fix your dish
washer. It is amazing how someone that is called a mayor can think he can be
a hitler. Just my thoughts.
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kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| From: | Rick Galati <rick6a(at)yahoo.com> |
I am preparing an emergency tool kit to be carried on trips and seeking ideas on
the most efficient tools (and spares) to stow on board. Naturally, I want the
kit to be light yet as comprehensive as possible. While no emergency tool kit
can cover every possible contingency, what do seasoned overnight X-country
RV'ers among us find to be especially useful for common field repairs? For instance,
rather than carrying a common pair of pliers as is supplied with my Axle
Jack, I prefer to tote a small pair of vice grips as this tool seems to offer
more utility for roughly the same amount of weight penalty. Ideas?
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" 153 hours
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| From: | "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
Before anybody gets riled up, I would like to hear how the guy fired everybody
up first.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: X-C Tool Kit |
Note that XC can be the airport 45 minutes away. So consider if a flat there
is worth carrying things or will you want someone to drive there to get you.
Main tire and tube
Nose tire and tube
Appropriate tools to get to main and nose tires to replace tube
Extra valve stem cores and long removal tool (from NAPA)
Extra gas cap
Assortment of screws, washers, etc
Appropriate tools to remove cowl and typical nuts/bolts
Duct tape
Tube repair kit
Tube inflation device (electric or manual)
There is more but this is a start.
Some have laughed at my carriage of these items on even local flights yet I
have
helped others on two or three occasions.
Ron Lee
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
We should hear both sides of the story - but we should NOT allow our governments
to treat us like this!
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| From: | "John Porter" <december29(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Landing Gear Bolts |
Hi there,
Going through and finishing up stuff on my -8. Since I borrow a torque
wrench, tightening the gear bolts had to wait. Now the problem! I have the
wiring in my gear towers as well as the fuel vent line directly over the aft
bolt (NAS 6206-27/ NAS679A6 nut). Yeah, excellent planning- I know. Any
ideas on getting those aft nuts- anything at all, strange combinations that
involve forging my own tools.........I'm stuck.
Thanks,
John
#80002
PS If the answer involves MOGAS, AOA, or "my things bigger than yours", I'm
not listening. Ha, ha
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| From: | "Tim Bryan" <flyrv6(at)bryantechnology.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
Kitfoxmike,
It doesn't matter since they are not restricting him, they are wanting to
restrict everybody. I would suggest someone has more history than a sing
le
incident. This can't be allowed to happen.
Tim
-------Original Message-------
Before anybody gets riled up, I would like to hear how the guy fired
everybody up first.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
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| From: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_MS?= <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr> |
Might be overkill but I've been considering adding a spare starter and
starter relay (I'll have a Skytech). As for the main contactor, I am
planning on having a contactor override just in case the main contactor
fails. Engine is a TMX-IO360 - I don't fancy hand proping it.
Michele
RV8 - Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: mardi 18 juillet 2006 19:27
Note that XC can be the airport 45 minutes away. So consider if a flat
there
is worth carrying things or will you want someone to drive there to get you.
Main tire and tube
Nose tire and tube
Appropriate tools to get to main and nose tires to replace tube
Extra valve stem cores and long removal tool (from NAPA)
Extra gas cap
Assortment of screws, washers, etc
Appropriate tools to remove cowl and typical nuts/bolts
Duct tape
Tube repair kit
Tube inflation device (electric or manual)
There is more but this is a start.
Some have laughed at my carriage of these items on even local flights yet I
have
helped others on two or three occasions.
Ron Lee
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| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
It would be reasonable for a city to limit what is done in semi-
public (visible from the street) places. My city, for instance,
requires people to do things like cut their grass and keep their
garbage cans out of sight (except as required for pickup). It would
be reasonable for the city to prevent folks from running a car repair
business (or any business that generates traffic) in a residential
area. It would also be reasonable to limit any construction-like
activities in a residential area when those activities can produce an
eyesore or violate some sort of noise restrictions.
Consider how you would like to live next door to a guy who does auto
body work until a couple hours past your bedtime, for instance. Even
if it's not for a living -- he builds hot rods or something, and he's
always running a sand blaster late. Or whatever hot rod guys do. Or
if the guy keeps a couple of crappy junkers parked in his front yard.
But... if it's in your basement or a contained garage with suitable
noise insulation if required, you don't care. And the city shouldn't
care.
I think there's more going on here than we know about. I suspect the
city has been having a variety of problems. City council may be
receiving all sorts of complaints all over the city.
Maybe this builder's carport is just outside the complaining woman's
bedroom window, and he's using caustic materials, which the wind
happily wafts right into her house. I wouldn't want to be living
next to that -- an activity that the guy wears a respirator for, but
his noxious gases are floating into my house. That would annoy me to
no end, actually, and I'd find a way to stop it.
Or maybe it's not this guy doing it, but some of the other guys in
town. We just don't know.
If we don't want to see this kind of rule making all over, it's to
our benefit to make sure that our hobby doesn't negatively impact
anyone else.
-Joe
On Jul 18, 2006, at 2:06 PM, Tim Bryan wrote:
> Kitfoxmike,
>
> It doesn't matter since they are not restricting him, they are
> wanting to restrict everybody. I would suggest someone has more
> history than a single incident. This can't be allowed to happen.
>
> Tim
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: kitfoxmike
> Date: 07/18/06 10:31:26
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida
>
>
> Before anybody gets riled up, I would like to hear how the guy
> fired everybody up first.
>
> --------
> kitfoxmike
> kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
> http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48282#48282
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| From: | "David Burton" <dburton(at)nwlink.com> |
Dan Checkoway posted a real reasonable tool kit to carry on his website. It
might be a good place to start. I've had good luck getting help from pilots
on the field when I've had problems, but you can't count on it...
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| From: | Tedd McHenry <tedd(at)vansairforce.org> |
I maintain the tool kit for a formation group I fly with. Our kit is pretty
comprehensive (and heavy), but here are the items I've used most often this
year, roughly in order.
1. safety wire
2. #2 phillips screwdriver (a good multi-bit driver would be fine)
3. wrench sizes common for our airplanes (Navions) -- 3/8, 7/16, 1/2, & 9/6
4. needle-nose pliers; I also use safety wire pliers a lot (see item 1)
5. telescoping magnet (for retrieving dropped parts)
6. inspection mirror
7. right-angle ratcheting screwdriver (MAC tools -- incredibly useful)
8. bits for item 7 (can be combined with item 2)
9. multi-meter and cables
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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| From: | "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | .020 tail feathers from .016 |
Howdy,
Our 6-a (O-320, Sensenich) suffered tail feather damage at the hands of
a drunk (we assume) who wasn't watching where he was going Saturday
night at Shelter Cove, CA. Beautiful place, no security. I'm fixing to
build new elevators and rudder and am looking at using .020 skins in
place of the, rather easily damaged, .016 skins. Has anybody out there
switched skin thickness and how did it affect your CG? Van's tells me
that it's 6 pounds heavier which seems like a lot that far aft. This is
the non-counter balanced rudder. I'm wondering if the 6 pound figure
includes the counterbalance on the later model rudder. It seems like a
lot for .004 worth of sheet metal on the 3 surfaces.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Landing Gear Bolts |
If I can't get a wrench/socket on the nut, I've wedged a chisel or wrench or
whatever in-between a flat on the nut and the weldment to prevent the nut
from turning. Then the bolt is torqued from below. Not ideal, but...
-
Larry Bowen. RV-8, 201 Hrs.
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Porter [mailto:december29(at)bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:17 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Landing Gear Bolts
>
>
>
> Hi there,
> Going through and finishing up stuff on my -8. Since I
> borrow a torque wrench, tightening the gear bolts had to
> wait. Now the problem! I have the wiring in my gear towers
> as well as the fuel vent line directly over the aft bolt (NAS
> 6206-27/ NAS679A6 nut). Yeah, excellent planning- I know.
> Any ideas on getting those aft nuts- anything at all, strange
> combinations that involve forging my own tools.........I'm stuck.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
> #80002
>
> PS If the answer involves MOGAS, AOA, or "my things bigger
> than yours", I'm not listening. Ha, ha
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | .020 tail feathers from .016 |
I changed from 0.016 to 0.025 on the elevators 8 years ago after pushing my
airplane into a pole. I found NO weight difference. Yes the airplane
weighted 8 pounds more after painting (weighed on calibrated scales) and the
elevators but I do not know how much of the 8 pounds was just to the
elevators. I assumed it was all paint.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,894 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://SoCAL_WVAF.rvproject.com
----Original Message Follows----
Howdy,
Our 6-a (O-320, Sensenich) suffered tail feather damage at the hands of
a drunk (we assume) who wasn't watching where he was going Saturday
night at Shelter Cove, CA. Beautiful place, no security. I'm fixing to
build new elevators and rudder and am looking at using .020 skins in
place of the, rather easily damaged, .016 skins. Has anybody out there
switched skin thickness and how did it affect your CG? Van's tells me
that it's 6 pounds heavier which seems like a lot that far aft. This is
the non-counter balanced rudder. I'm wondering if the 6 pound figure
includes the counterbalance on the later model rudder. It seems like a
lot for .004 worth of sheet metal on the 3 surfaces.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Porter" <december29(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Bolts |
Larry,
You know that will work! Didn't even think about it. I will let you know
how it worked.
Thanks,
John
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:16 PM
>
> If I can't get a wrench/socket on the nut, I've wedged a chisel or wrench
> or
> whatever in-between a flat on the nut and the weldment to prevent the nut
> from turning. Then the bolt is torqued from below. Not ideal, but...
>
> -
> Larry Bowen. RV-8, 201 Hrs.
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Porter [mailto:december29(at)bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:17 PM
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: Landing Gear Bolts
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi there,
>> Going through and finishing up stuff on my -8. Since I
>> borrow a torque wrench, tightening the gear bolts had to
>> wait. Now the problem! I have the wiring in my gear towers
>> as well as the fuel vent line directly over the aft bolt (NAS
>> 6206-27/ NAS679A6 nut). Yeah, excellent planning- I know.
>> Any ideas on getting those aft nuts- anything at all, strange
>> combinations that involve forging my own tools.........I'm stuck.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>> #80002
>>
>> PS If the answer involves MOGAS, AOA, or "my things bigger
>> than yours", I'm not listening. Ha, ha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker(at)optonline.net> |
| Subject: | Re: .020 tail feathers from .016 |
Six pounds seems reasonably likely for the change in thickness. Since
aluminum weighs approximately 0.0955 lbs/cu. in. and you are adding
0.004" all over the elevator and rudder it follows that the tail surface
area would calculate to be 15,700 sq. in. or 109 sq. ft. (6 lbs / 0.0955
lbs/cu / 0.004" = 15707 sq. in.) which certainly seems to be in the ball
park.
Dick Tasker
Ed Holyoke wrote:
>
>
>Howdy,
>
>Our 6-a (O-320, Sensenich) suffered tail feather damage at the hands of
>a drunk (we assume) who wasn't watching where he was going Saturday
>night at Shelter Cove, CA. Beautiful place, no security. I'm fixing to
>build new elevators and rudder and am looking at using .020 skins in
>place of the, rather easily damaged, .016 skins. Has anybody out there
>switched skin thickness and how did it affect your CG? Van's tells me
>that it's 6 pounds heavier which seems like a lot that far aft. This is
>the non-counter balanced rudder. I'm wondering if the 6 pound figure
>includes the counterbalance on the later model rudder. It seems like a
>lot for .004 worth of sheet metal on the 3 surfaces.
>
>Pax,
>
>Ed Holyoke
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | .020 tail feathers from .016 |
Doing a quick square measurement of my -9 rudder and elevators ( not taking
in consideration the Rudder taper or counter weight arms) I come up with
6678 sq inches. (Rudder 53" X 27" X 2 surfaces = 2862 sq. in., Elevators
17" X 56" X 4 surfaces = 3808 sq. in. total 6678 sq. in. If you throw in
another 322 sq. in. for good measure and rounding off the total to 7000 sq.
in., and using .0955 lbs/cu. in. you would come up with 2.674 lb. ( 2.674
/ 0.0955 lbs/cu. in./0.004" = 7000 sq. in. or 48.61 sq. ft. ) Of course
the increase in rivet length might bring the weight up slightly. YMMV
Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes
Six pounds seems reasonably likely for the change in thickness. Since
aluminum weighs approximately 0.0955 lbs/cu. in. and you are adding
0.004" all over the elevator and rudder it follows that the tail surface
area would calculate to be 15,700 sq. in. or 109 sq. ft. (6 lbs / 0.0955
lbs/cu / 0.004" = 15707 sq. in.) which certainly seems to be in the ball
park.
Dick Tasker
Ed Holyoke wrote:
>
>
>Howdy,
>
>Our 6-a (O-320, Sensenich) suffered tail feather damage at the hands of
>a drunk (we assume) who wasn't watching where he was going Saturday
>night at Shelter Cove, CA. Beautiful place, no security. I'm fixing to
>build new elevators and rudder and am looking at using .020 skins in
>place of the, rather easily damaged, .016 skins. Has anybody out there
>switched skin thickness and how did it affect your CG? Van's tells me
>that it's 6 pounds heavier which seems like a lot that far aft. This is
>the non-counter balanced rudder. I'm wondering if the 6 pound figure
>includes the counterbalance on the later model rudder. It seems like a
>lot for .004 worth of sheet metal on the 3 surfaces.
>
>Pax,
>
>Ed Holyoke
>
>
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| From: | "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7(at)b4.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: .020 tail feathers from .016 |
On 21:36:56 2006-07-18 "Richard E. Tasker" wrote:
> Six pounds seems reasonably likely for the change in thickness.
> Since aluminum weighs approximately 0.0955 lbs/cu. in. and you are
> adding 0.004" all over the elevator and rudder it follows that the
> tail surface area would calculate to be 15,700 sq. in. or 109 sq. ft.
> (6 lbs / 0.0955 lbs/cu / 0.004" = 15707 sq. in.) which certainly
> seems to be in the ball park.
109 square feet for the elevator and rudder sounds quite high to me.
You've got about 10' of span, times about 1' of chord (average) times two
surfaces = 20 square feet of area for both sides of the elevator. Half
again for the rudder would be about 30 square feet total. So using your
numbers above, you should be looking at something under 2 lb.
-Rob
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| From: | "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7(at)b4.ca> |
| Subject: | .020 tail feathers from .016 |
On 22:37:04 2006-07-18 "Bob Perkinson" wrote:
> Of course the increase in rivet
> length might bring the weight up slightly. YMMV
I just about said that too... But you included the increase as a uniform
increase across all the surfaces, so the increase in rivet length is
already included (if you assume the density of the rivets is comparable to
the density of the skins, which is reasonable in this case).
-Rob
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| From: | "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net> |
| Subject: | What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC toolkit. |
Given the space constraints in the planes we fly a comprehensive set of tools/parts
is prohibitive. I havve seen many "lists of tools and parts but never a comprehensive
list of problems encountered while travelling which seems to me would
be a good guide for building a tool/parts kit.
In the last 10 years I have had to replace a boost pump and solenoid along with
a few screws.
Most of the time I obtained unsolicited help from local airport guys and the balance
of my tools came from a local auto supply and hardware store. The newly
purchased tools I left with the airport. An F1 has absolutely no baggage space
to spare.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC |
Flat tire (needed tube replacement)
Lost fuel cap (failure to verify line boy latching of cap)
Note: these are other pilot cases.
Ron Lee
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| From: | "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
I think if this guy is truely in need the aircaft community should ban together
and get both EAA and AOPA involved. Spreading the problem throughout the country
with the news media sounds appropriate as well. Letters to our representatives
might be in order as well. sounds to me like this is total BS.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48522#48522
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Bolts |
I had the same problem on my 8. I ended up grinding off one side of a cheap
socket so it will fit over the forward nuts in the tower. For the aft nuts I
fabricated a spacer form .250 stock that will just fit between the weldment
and the flat of the nut keeping it from turning. Then It's torqued form
below. I tried various screwdrivers and tools to jam the nut against the
weldment but the gap was too big for any tools I tried, and not big enough
for a socket to fit. I know, not ideal to torque from the bottom, but the
only option I had. The "trick" with the spacer is getting it into position
(and out) by brail. My two cents worth.
Steve Struyk
RV-8 50 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:16 PM
>
> If I can't get a wrench/socket on the nut, I've wedged a chisel or wrench
> or
> whatever in-between a flat on the nut and the weldment to prevent the nut
> from turning. Then the bolt is torqued from below. Not ideal, but...
>
> -
> Larry Bowen. RV-8, 201 Hrs.
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Porter [mailto:december29(at)bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:17 PM
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: Landing Gear Bolts
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi there,
>> Going through and finishing up stuff on my -8. Since I
>> borrow a torque wrench, tightening the gear bolts had to
>> wait. Now the problem! I have the wiring in my gear towers
>> as well as the fuel vent line directly over the aft bolt (NAS
>> 6206-27/ NAS679A6 nut). Yeah, excellent planning- I know.
>> Any ideas on getting those aft nuts- anything at all, strange
>> combinations that involve forging my own tools.........I'm stuck.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>> #80002
>>
>> PS If the answer involves MOGAS, AOA, or "my things bigger
>> than yours", I'm not listening. Ha, ha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Delamarter, Jon" <JDelamarter(at)lycoming.textron.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
I thought you guys might be interested in the email I sent this morning to
the President and Vice President of the Jacksonville City Council. I know
it's long, but I hope it will be effective.
Gentlemen:
Due to the diligence of my fellow aviators, it has come to my attention that
the City of Jacksonville, FL has recently enacted Sec. 656.420 amending
Chapter 656 of the zoning code. It is my belief that this amendment will
limit or eliminate the rights of citizens within the constraints of this
code from pursuing activities which are neither commercial in nature nor
threatening in anyway to the citizens of Jacksonville. I would encourage
the members of your counsel to contact the Experimental Aircraft Association
(www.eaa.org <http://www.eaa.org> ) for an eye-opening overview of the scope
and importance of our sport. We have approximately 900 chapters
nation-wide, approximately 1000 chapters worldwide, and represent the
largest organization of our type in existence. Through our programs, we
fund and administer programs which enrich the lives of America and the
world. Through our Young Eagles program alone, we have introduced the
wonder of flight to well over a million young Americans. These flights were
provided at absolutely no cost to the community. Time, equipment, and
expenses are paid for by our membership. Oh by the way, you may have heard
of the president of our Young Eagles organization. His name is Harrison
Ford. When several hundred thousand of us aviation-minded citizens get
together next week for our annual gathering in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, our
presence will turn this normally average airport into the busiest airport in
the world for an entire week. Chuck Yeager, Bud Anderson, and many other
veteran heroes are regular attendees. Last year, Spaceship One stopped at
our Oshkosh gathering for it's only public appearance on it's way to the
Smithsonian. By the way, the folks who designed, built, and flew the
Voyager (first non-stop flight around the world), Spaceship One (first
civilian space flight), and the Global Flyer (first solo non-stop flight
around the world) are all EAA members and active participants in aircraft
homebuilding activities. Our ranks include Hollywood movie stars,
congressmen, and normal folks from all walks of life. Incidentally, the
very first homebuilders were a couple of bicycle mechanics from Dayton, Ohio
named Orville and Wilbur Wright. I shudder to think what the outcome would
have been if these American heroes had been residents of Jacksonville, FL.
The next time you or your counsel members board an aircraft of any type on
official business or otherwise, I hope you will remember that you are able
to do so only because of the type of entrepreneurial American spirit you are
currently trying to regulate out of existence.
Aviators in general and homebuilders specifically represent the absolute
peak of American ingenuity and citizenship. I believe it would be worth
your while to break away from your duties in Jacksonville for a day or two
and join us in our annual celebration next week in Oshkosh. Lodging is
impossible to get in Oshkosh at this late date, however, if you would like
to attend, I will personally assure your accommodation and admission. As a
Florida native, it is my sincere hope that you will do the right thing and
rethink the county's position in this important matter. Florida is one of
the most active homebuilding states in the Union; the majority of these
folks are retirees. A large percentage are war veterans. I believe with
all my heart that if you and your council members will truly understand the
nature of aircraft homebuilding and the integrity of it's participants, you
will welcome and encourage it's activity in your city.
Sincerely,
Jon A. Delamarter
Thunderbolt Manager
Lycoming Engines
I also thought some of you might care to join me in voicing your protest.
Here is their contact info.
Michael L. Corrigan, Jr.,
President
Jacksonville City Council
117 West Duval St., Suite 425
Jacksonville, FL 32202
(904) 630-1390
Corrigan(at)coj.net
Daniel J. Davis,
Vice President
Jacksonville City Council
117 West Duval St., Suite 425
Jacksonville, FL 32202
(904) 630-1380
DDavis(at)coj.net
NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic
Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential and may
be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are
hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying
of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender
that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
EXCELLENT!
Well put, non-abrasive and thus most effective in getting the message
across.
I think we could all benefit from copying with your permission, this letter
and use it as the basis for such letters in the future if needed in our
localities.
Is such permitted?
James
... from Florida
On 7/19/06, Delamarter, Jon wrote:
>
> JDelamarter(at)lycoming.textron.com>
>
> I thought you guys might be interested in the email I sent this morning t
o
> the President and Vice President of the Jacksonville City Council. I kno
w
> it's long, but I hope it will be effective.
> Gentlemen:
> Due to the diligence of my fellow aviators, it has come to my attention
> that
> the City of Jacksonville, FL has recently enacted Sec. 656.420 amending
> Chapter 656 of the zoning code. It is my belief that this amendment will
> limit or eliminate the rights of citizens within the constraints of this
> code from pursuing activities which are neither commercial in nature nor
> threatening in anyway to the citizens of Jacksonville. I would encourage
> the members of your counsel to contact the Experimental Aircraft
> Association
> (www.eaa.org <http://www.eaa.org> ) for an eye-opening overview of the
> scope
> and importance of our sport. We have approximately 900 chapters
> nation-wide, approximately 1000 chapters worldwide, and represent the
> largest organization of our type in existence. Through our programs, we
> fund and administer programs which enrich the lives of America and the
> world. Through our Young Eagles program alone, we have introduced the
> wonder of flight to well over a million young Americans. These flights
> were
> provided at absolutely no cost to the community. Time, equipment, and
> expenses are paid for by our membership. Oh by the way, you may have
> heard
> of the president of our Young Eagles organization. His name is Harrison
> Ford. When several hundred thousand of us aviation-minded citizens get
> together next week for our annual gathering in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, our
> presence will turn this normally average airport into the busiest airport
> in
> the world for an entire week. Chuck Yeager, Bud Anderson, and many other
> veteran heroes are regular attendees. Last year, Spaceship One stopped a
t
> our Oshkosh gathering for it's only public appearance on it's way to the
> Smithsonian. By the way, the folks who designed, built, and flew the
> Voyager (first non-stop flight around the world), Spaceship One (first
> civilian space flight), and the Global Flyer (first solo non-stop flight
> around the world) are all EAA members and active participants in aircraft
> homebuilding activities. Our ranks include Hollywood movie stars,
> congressmen, and normal folks from all walks of life. Incidentally, the
> very first homebuilders were a couple of bicycle mechanics from Dayton,
> Ohio
> named Orville and Wilbur Wright. I shudder to think what the outcome
> would
> have been if these American heroes had been residents of Jacksonville, FL
.
> The next time you or your counsel members board an aircraft of any type o
n
> official business or otherwise, I hope you will remember that you are abl
e
> to do so only because of the type of entrepreneurial American spirit you
> are
> currently trying to regulate out of existence.
> Aviators in general and homebuilders specifically represent the absolute
> peak of American ingenuity and citizenship. I believe it would be worth
> your while to break away from your duties in Jacksonville for a day or tw
o
> and join us in our annual celebration next week in Oshkosh. Lodging is
> impossible to get in Oshkosh at this late date, however, if you would lik
e
> to attend, I will personally assure your accommodation and admission. As
> a
> Florida native, it is my sincere hope that you will do the right thing an
d
> rethink the county's position in this important matter. Florida is one o
f
> the most active homebuilding states in the Union; the majority of these
> folks are retirees. A large percentage are war veterans. I believe with
> all my heart that if you and your council members will truly understand
> the
> nature of aircraft homebuilding and the integrity of it's participants,
> you
> will welcome and encourage it's activity in your city.
> Sincerely,
> Jon A. Delamarter
> Thunderbolt Manager
> Lycoming Engines
>
>
> I also thought some of you might care to join me in voicing your protest.
> Here is their contact info.
>
> Michael L. Corrigan, Jr.,
> President
> Jacksonville City Council
> 117 West Duval St., Suite 425
> Jacksonville, FL 32202
> (904) 630-1390
> Corrigan(at)coj.net
> Daniel J. Davis,
> Vice President
> Jacksonville City Council
> 117 West Duval St., Suite 425
> Jacksonville, FL 32202
> (904) 630-1380
> DDavis(at)coj.net
>
> NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic
> Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. =A7=A7 2510-2521, is confidential
and
> may
> be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are
> hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or
> copying
> of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender
> that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you.
>
>
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>
>
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This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sportypilot" <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
I think the AOPA should be doing something too! Aircraft Owners is the 1st
part of their Name doesn't
say production aircraft owners..
>
> BTW, AOPA says there is nothing they can do. Yet to hear from the EAA
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Bolts |
I'm not sure where I got the idea, probably here.
You can buy metal locking nuts at ACS that go on
the RV8 gear legs and have much smaller heads,
which allow you to easily get a socket on.
I thought I had some pics on my website, but I
can't find them.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
Here is part of an email from Dan Horton. This information was emailed
out to the Pitts Model 12 group.
"First call received was from Councilman Ray's executive assistant. We
had a nice conversation. As suspected, the ordinance is the result of a
protracted problem with a single individual, a Mr. Kraut of Mayapple Rd
in Jacksonville. I did not debate the wisdom of a sweeping ordinance to
address a single idiot. My goal was to gather information and get a
handle on the feelings behind the actions. My impression is that Mr.
Kraut has handed aircraft builders an uphill battle.
Second call was mine, to Randy Hansen at EAA HQ. I've passed along all I
know about the problem. Randy was already aware of the issue. A member
of EAA's Legal Advisory Council has volunteered to take up the matter
with the City Attorney, and will report, in person, at Oshkosh next
week. Any action taken will be after the Convention."
I agree with Dan that we should, at this point, rely on our member
organizations to act on our behalf. Quick wit and tongue might do
nothing but exacerbate the situation.
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa,OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sportypilot
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:55 PM
I think the AOPA should be doing something too! Aircraft Owners is the
1st
part of their Name doesn't
say production aircraft owners..
>
> BTW, AOPA says there is nothing they can do. Yet to hear from the EAA
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ken Howell" <cfi1513840(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
I wouldn't rely entirely on our member organizations to do the job for us,
although I hope they help in whatever way they can. Respectful individual
comments can certainly do no harm, and just might do a whole lot of good. I
would encourage every homebuilder to submit a comment to Corrigan(at)coj.net.
The next town could be yours.
Following is a copy of my email submitted to Mr. Corrigan, President of the
Jacksonville City Council...
Dear Sir,
The recent amendment 656.420 to the Jacksonville zoning code infringes upon
and severely restricts the rights of your citizens, many of whom are
aircraft homebuilders. This is the equivalent of forbidding the restoration
of a vintage automobile or any other object or conveyance on personal
property. Many activities of this nature can be done without impinging on
anyone else's rights or causing any nuisance to others. It is apparent that
this amendment was poorly thought out with regard to the consequences it has
on the rights of your citizens (and future citizens). I would appeal to you
to strike this ill-conceived amendment from your zoning code and replace it
with one that does not deny fundamental AMERICAN LIBERTY.
Respectfully,
Kenneth Howell
Glenwood Maryland
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Bewley
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:00 PM
Here is part of an email from Dan Horton. This information was emailed
out to the Pitts Model 12 group.
"First call received was from Councilman Ray's executive assistant. We
had a nice conversation. As suspected, the ordinance is the result of a
protracted problem with a single individual, a Mr. Kraut of Mayapple Rd
in Jacksonville. I did not debate the wisdom of a sweeping ordinance to
address a single idiot. My goal was to gather information and get a
handle on the feelings behind the actions. My impression is that Mr.
Kraut has handed aircraft builders an uphill battle.
Second call was mine, to Randy Hansen at EAA HQ. I've passed along all I
know about the problem. Randy was already aware of the issue. A member
of EAA's Legal Advisory Council has volunteered to take up the matter
with the City Attorney, and will report, in person, at Oshkosh next
week. Any action taken will be after the Convention."
I agree with Dan that we should, at this point, rely on our member
organizations to act on our behalf. Quick wit and tongue might do
nothing but exacerbate the situation.
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa,OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1754 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sportypilot
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:55 PM
I think the AOPA should be doing something too! Aircraft Owners is the
1st
part of their Name doesn't
say production aircraft owners..
>
> BTW, AOPA says there is nothing they can do. Yet to hear from the EAA
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Ellis" <JEllis9847(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Connecting Blue Mountain EFIS lite to Pictorial Pilot |
For those of you who may be following this thread (maybe three people in the Western
Hemisphere) let me update what I have learned.
In a phone conversation today with Larry, BMA Technican, he confirmed that the
Serial Port B sends out no data when it is selected/activated. He tried several
different units with the same result. He thinks it might be a software problem.
This confirms my own observation. When I connected my laptop PC to the G3 Lite
serial output cable there was no data stream coming from the G3, therefore there
was nothing for the TruTrak autopilot to lock on to.
Because all the BMA folks are off to Oshkosh they said they will work on a fix
when they return.
I feel good that we may be making some progress.
Jim Ellis
RV9-A, Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48633#48633
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Pleasants" <jpleasants(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
FWIW, Unison has a major facility in Jacksonville, and I have seen
articles published that indicate that the City government is proud to
have them there.
Prehaps, if their customers (and potential customers) would encourage
Unison, they might be willing to reason with the Mayor and Councilmen.
Jim Pleasants
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Weiler <dcw(at)mnwing.org> |
Fellow Listers:
I am posting this note for a friend who has just completed a most beautiful
RV-10. I have flown this aircraft about 20 hours and is REALLY nice.
Here is the link for more information:
http://www.mnwing.org/EldonRV10/index.html
Thanks
Doug Weiler
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin(at)valkyrie.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: Government Advocacy Homebuilt Ban Jacksonville, Fl. |
List, This is the EAA response on the Jacksonville Homebuilt Ban.
Tom in Ohio
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:31 PM
Tom, EAA is aware of this issue and will be briefed on it during
AirVenture, but nothing will be done until all the facts are in and
AirVenture is completed.
Randy
Randy Hansen
EAA Government Relations Director
888-322-4636, extension 6522
Mark your 2006 calendar for the World's Greatest Aviation Celebration
... EAA AirVenture Oshkosh ... Monday, July 24th through Sunday, July
30th. http://www.airventure.org/
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom & Cathy Ervin [mailto:tcervin(at)valkyrie.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:47 AM
To: EAA Government Programs
Subject: Government Advocacy Homebuilt Ban Jacksonville, Fl.
The Jacksonville, Fl. City & County Council has banned Home Building
any place including inside your home! The EEA needs to get very
aggressive on stopping this intrusion into our hobby. If this ban on
Home Building is allowed to stand Ohio will be next!
Thomas Ervin
# 0602653
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Connecting Blue Mountain EFIS lite to |
>In a phone conversation today with Larry, BMA Technican, he confirmed
>that the Serial Port B sends out no data when it is selected/activated. He
>tried several different units with the same result. He thinks it might be
>a software problem.
>
>This confirms my own observation. When I connected my laptop PC to the G3
>Lite serial output cable there was no data stream coming from the G3,
>therefore there was nothing for the TruTrak autopilot to lock on to.
You probably could have verified this by hooking a voltmeter
to the line that should have transmitted the data (ground as
appropriate). This was how I verified that I had the right wire
out of my Garmin GNS 430 before hooking it to my autopilot.
Some of us do not have laptops (or cell phones, or DSL). :)
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
I just received this ad from JA Air Center:
JA Air Center, your Garmin source, is pleased to announce the new Garmin
GPSmap 496 with XM Weather, Terrain, AOPA Airport Guide, Taxiway Database,
and built in StreetPilot Automotive GPS.
Limited quantities are in stock and available for immediate delivery.
Terry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
I suspected that we would see something like this last month wen the price
came down on the 396. Of course I just bought a 396 about 3 months ago.
Arrrgh!
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Watson
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:37 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Garmin 496
I just received this ad from JA Air Center:
JA Air Center, your Garmin source, is pleased to announce the new Garmin
GPSmap 496 with XM Weather, Terrain, AOPA Airport Guide, Taxiway Database,
and built in StreetPilot Automotive GPS.
Limited quantities are in stock and available for immediate delivery.
Terry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Curt Reimer" <cgreimer(at)mts.net> |
| Subject: | Re: non-swiveling tail wheel |
To clarify my post, I find the main pivot itself sticks unless I grease
it every 10 hours. I can still move it, but it's very stiff, and when I
remove it to grease it, it's dry as a bone.
The locking key on the other hand has been fine since the first
de-burring repair hundreds of hours ago.
Perhaps my problems come from flying off grass almost exclusively. It's
been pretty wet here the past couple of summers and I thought the water
was washing the grease away. I went though a set of front wheel bearings
(rusted) after only 140 hours my first year. But this summer has been
dry and I still have to grease the tailwheel.
I should give the design it's due: it is an elegant, simple and
lightweight mechanism for what it does and seems to give trouble-free
use for a lot of people.
Curt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "low pass" <rv_8pilot(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Bolts |
Don't forget to retorque after about 50 hours flying time.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=48731#48731
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
| Subject: | Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
Thanks. Very well written.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Delamarter, Jon
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:30 AM
I thought you guys might be interested in the email I sent this morning to
the President and Vice President of the Jacksonville City Council. I know
it's long, but I hope it will be effective.
Gentlemen:
Due to the diligence of my fellow aviators, it has come to my attention that
the City of Jacksonville, FL has recently enacted Sec. 656.420 amending
Chapter 656 of the zoning code. It is my belief that this amendment will
limit or eliminate the rights of citizens within the constraints of this
code from pursuing activities which are neither commercial in nature nor
threatening in anyway to the citizens of Jacksonville. I would encourage
the members of your counsel to contact the Experimental Aircraft Association
(www.eaa.org <http://www.eaa.org> ) for an eye-opening overview of the scope
and importance of our sport. We have approximately 900 chapters
nation-wide, approximately 1000 chapters worldwide, and represent the
largest organization of our type in existence. Through our programs, we
fund and administer programs which enrich the lives of America and the
world. Through our Young Eagles program alone, we have introduced the
wonder of flight to well over a million young Americans. These flights were
provided at absolutely no cost to the community. Time, equipment, and
expenses are paid for by our membership. Oh by the way, you may have heard
of the president of our Young Eagles organization. His name is Harrison
Ford. When several hundred thousand of us aviation-minded citizens get
together next week for our annual gathering in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, our
presence will turn this normally average airport into the busiest airport in
the world for an entire week. Chuck Yeager, Bud Anderson, and many other
veteran heroes are regular attendees. Last year, Spaceship One stopped at
our Oshkosh gathering for it's only public appearance on it's way to the
Smithsonian. By the way, the folks who designed, built, and flew the
Voyager (first non-stop flight around the world), Spaceship One (first
civilian space flight), and the Global Flyer (first solo non-stop flight
around the world) are all EAA members and active participants in aircraft
homebuilding activities. Our ranks include Hollywood movie stars,
congressmen, and normal folks from all walks of life. Incidentally, the
very first homebuilders were a couple of bicycle mechanics from Dayton, Ohio
named Orville and Wilbur Wright. I shudder to think what the outcome would
have been if these American heroes had been residents of Jacksonville, FL.
The next time you or your counsel members board an aircraft of any type on
official business or otherwise, I hope you will remember that you are able
to do so only because of the type of entrepreneurial American spirit you are
currently trying to regulate out of existence.
Aviators in general and homebuilders specifically represent the absolute
peak of American ingenuity and citizenship. I believe it would be worth
your while to break away from your duties in Jacksonville for a day or two
and join us in our annual celebration next week in Oshkosh. Lodging is
impossible to get in Oshkosh at this late date, however, if you would like
to attend, I will personally assure your accommodation and admission. As a
Florida native, it is my sincere hope that you will do the right thing and
rethink the county's position in this important matter. Florida is one of
the most active homebuilding states in the Union; the majority of these
folks are retirees. A large percentage are war veterans. I believe with
all my heart that if you and your council members will truly understand the
nature of aircraft homebuilding and the integrity of it's participants, you
will welcome and encourage it's activity in your city.
Sincerely,
Jon A. Delamarter
Thunderbolt Manager
Lycoming Engines
I also thought some of you might care to join me in voicing your protest.
Here is their contact info.
Michael L. Corrigan, Jr.,
President
Jacksonville City Council
117 West Duval St., Suite 425
Jacksonville, FL 32202
(904) 630-1390
Corrigan(at)coj.net
Daniel J. Davis,
Vice President
Jacksonville City Council
117 West Duval St., Suite 425
Jacksonville, FL 32202
(904) 630-1380
DDavis(at)coj.net
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap496/
_____
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:37 PM
I just received this ad from JA Air Center:
JA Air Center, your Garmin source, is pleased to announce the new Garmin
GPSmap 496 with XM Weather, Terrain, AOPA Airport Guide, Taxiway Database,
and built in StreetPilot Automotive GPS.
Limited quantities are in stock and available for immediate delivery.
Terry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | pcowper(at)webtv.net (Pete Cowper) |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
>"We should hear both sides of the story..."
Much as I detest governmental inferference with private property rights,
I can just picture it: Carport made from pvc sprinkler pipe and blue
plastic Harbor Freight tarps, plywood work table alongside the driveway
set up on two rusty 55 gallon oil drums, cheap noisy oil-less air
compressor running all day and night, rivet gun ringing, stench of paint
fumes sucked into the whole neighborhood's swamp coolers . . . and now
over 8 years into the project.
It takes a real nuisance to get a city council involved let alone a
county board of supervisors.
Pete Cowper
RV8 #81139 (working on fuselage)
Hanger B-5
Visalia Municipal Airport
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
Hey Brian-
In my limited experience with neighborhood busybodies it seems that as much
as they try to exert their influence on others, they themselves are not in
compliance with the body of rules they are trying to enforce. Also, it
sure seems like you have grounds for a harassment suit.
I'll zip JAX a short comment in a moment, as well as stop by the Unison
booth (and flag down T.P.) if we cross paths at OSH. I would respectfully
an sincerely request that you all do the same. If 30, 100, or 1,000 folks
grab Tom by the ear next week it might rearrange his priorities a little.
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Childers <cowboy286(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | O-320 E2D For Sale |
$10,000 outright
recently removed from my 68 Cessna Cardinal for HP
upgrade. 3,000 TTSN, 1056 SMOH, 560 STOH, new Cam and bearings and oil pump gears
150 hrs ago for oil pump AD. includes Mags (Slick), vacuume pump, starter
and alternator. Compressions were all 80/80 when removed. This is a dry strong
running engine. Used 1qt in 13-18 hrs. Price is outright NO core. Have
all logs. Contact
cowboy286(at)sbcglobal.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Gray <dgra1233(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount |
Folks,
I have purchased the gussets from Vans to re-enforce the landing gear
socket of my old style RV-6 mount to prevent the cracking some have
experienced. Parts are WD-672A-R and WD-672-L.
My plan is to have these welded to the mount but I do not have a clear
direction how they are positioned. Can someone point me to a clear
photograph of the lower end of a gear leg socket. I believe these are
fitted to all RV-6 and -7 mounts currently being shipped.
Vans sent me two photos but they are not clear enough to pass to the
welder.
Thanks,
Doug Gray
Sydney, Australia
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sarg314 <sarg314(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | black screws for instruments |
I need a few 8-32 and 4-40 black, round head screws for mounting
instruments. Does any one know where I can get these? I can't find any
in the Spruce catalog.
--
Tom Sargent
RV-6A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeff Orear" <jorear(at)new.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: black screws for instruments |
Tom:
Try Wicks. I had no problems finding them there.
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:30 PM
>
> I need a few 8-32 and 4-40 black, round head screws for mounting
> instruments. Does any one know where I can get these? I can't find any
> in the Spruce catalog.
> --
> Tom Sargent
> RV-6A
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gerry Filby <gerf(at)gerf.com> |
| Subject: | Re: black screws for instruments |
You can't get to the part number online at Spruce (went through
this just recently). Someone helped me out on this list - try
searching the archive. If that doesn't work - let me know I
have the part number on an invoice at home which I can get for
you tomorrow.
g
>
>
> I need a few 8-32 and 4-40 black, round head screws for mounting
> instruments. Does any one know where I can get these? I can't
> find any
> in the Spruce catalog.
> --
> Tom Sargent
> RV-6A
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
__g__
==========================================================
Gerry Filby gerf(at)gerf.com
Tel: 415 203 9177
----------------------------------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | aeroncadoc(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 for sale |
Just out of curiousity, how realistic is that asking price? We're getting up into
new SR20 range there.
Henry H.
Just out of curiousity, how realistic is that asking price? We're getting
up into new SR20 range there.
Henry H.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Clark" <jclarkmail(at)gmail.com> |
So what is your plan??? Or did you purchase a 396 already?
James
On 7/19/06, Larry Bowen wrote:
>
> http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap496/
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Terry Watson [mailto:terry(at)tcwatson.com]
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:37 PM
> *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV-List: Garmin 496
>
> I just received this ad from JA Air Center:
>
>
> JA Air Center, your Garmin source, is pleased to announce the new Garmin
> GPSmap 496 with XM Weather, Terrain, AOPA Airport Guide, Taxiway Database,
> and built in StreetPilot Automotive GPS.
>
> Limited quantities are in stock and available for immediate delivery.
>
>
> Terry
>
>
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
I think you were asking Larry -not me- but my plan is to wait awhile. I have
a 196 which I like a lot, but I always want the latest and greatest.
Aviation Consumer says they are going to do a complete review of the 496 in
their September issue. I also see that there are two levels of XM weather
subscriptions now, one at $30 a month and another at $50. The $50 one seems
to be for higher altitudes than we would typically be interested in.
See: http://www.xmradio.com/weather/aviation.html
Someone at one of the avionics booths at the Arlington fly-in told me that
my wiring for the 196 won't work for the 396 or likely the 496. He said it
was a different plug entirely.
Terry
_____
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Clark
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:25 PM
So what is your plan??? Or did you purchase a 396 already?
James
On 7/19/06, Larry Bowen >
wrote:
http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap496/
_____
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:37 PM
I just received this ad from JA Air Center:
JA Air Center, your Garmin source, is pleased to announce the new Garmin
GPSmap 496 with XM Weather, Terrain, AOPA Airport Guide, Taxiway Database,
and built in StreetPilot Automotive GPS.
Limited quantities are in stock and available for immediate delivery.
Terry
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: black screws for instruments |
Home Depot, ACE, etc. Unless you have to worry about
ferrous metals, of course. I used SS ones and had no
issues with magnetic interference. The brass ones are
very soft too, and the paint comes off easily..
Paul Besing
--- sarg314 wrote:
>
>
> I need a few 8-32 and 4-40 black, round head screws
> for mounting
> instruments. Does any one know where I can get
> these? I can't find any
> in the Spruce catalog.
> --
> Tom Sargent
> RV-6A
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com> |
I have the $30 subscription for XM weather right now.
It's fine, but the $50 one would be nice mainly for
the winds aloft information. It is available on the
396, it's not just a 496 new item.
Paul Besing
--- Terry Watson wrote:
> I think you were asking Larry -not me- but my plan
> is to wait awhile. I have
> a 196 which I like a lot, but I always want the
> latest and greatest.
> Aviation Consumer says they are going to do a
> complete review of the 496 in
> their September issue. I also see that there are two
> levels of XM weather
> subscriptions now, one at $30 a month and another at
> $50. The $50 one seems
> to be for higher altitudes than we would typically
> be interested in.
>
>
>
> See: http://www.xmradio.com/weather/aviation.html
>
>
>
> Someone at one of the avionics booths at the
> Arlington fly-in told me that
> my wiring for the 196 won't work for the 396 or
> likely the 496. He said it
> was a different plug entirely.
>
>
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of James Clark
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:25 PM
>
>
>
> So what is your plan??? Or did you purchase a 396
> already?
>
> James
>
>
>
> On 7/19/06, Larry Bowen >
> wrote:
>
> http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap496/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:37 PM
>
>
>
> I just received this ad from JA Air Center:
>
>
>
> JA Air Center, your Garmin source, is pleased to
> announce the new Garmin
> GPSmap 496 with XM Weather, Terrain, AOPA Airport
> Guide, Taxiway Database,
> and built in StreetPilot Automotive GPS.
>
> Limited quantities are in stock and available for
> immediate delivery.
>
>
>
>
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> This is an alternate email. Please continue to email
> me at
> james(at)nextupventures.com .
>
>
__________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I recently upgraded from the 196 to 396. The wiring is different, but not
a big deal. I'm real happy with the change -- even with the recent news
of the 496. We sorta knew something was on the horizon when the price
dropped. The 196 is now used in the back seat.
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/archives/2006/06/gps_update.html
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Terry Watson wrote:
> I think you were asking Larry -not me- but my plan is to wait awhile. I
> have
> a 196 which I like a lot, but I always want the latest and greatest.
> Aviation Consumer says they are going to do a complete review of the 496
> in
> their September issue. I also see that there are two levels of XM weather
> subscriptions now, one at $30 a month and another at $50. The $50 one
> seems
> to be for higher altitudes than we would typically be interested in.
>
>
> See: http://www.xmradio.com/weather/aviation.html
>
>
> Someone at one of the avionics booths at the Arlington fly-in told me that
> my wiring for the 196 won't work for the 396 or likely the 496. He said it
> was a different plug entirely.
>
>
> Terry
>
>
> _____
>
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Clark
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:25 PM
>
>
> So what is your plan??? Or did you purchase a 396 already?
>
> James
>
>
> On 7/19/06, Larry Bowen
> >
> wrote:
>
> http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap496/
>
>
> _____
>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:37 PM
>
>
> I just received this ad from JA Air Center:
>
>
> JA Air Center, your Garmin source, is pleased to announce the new Garmin
> GPSmap 496 with XM Weather, Terrain, AOPA Airport Guide, Taxiway Database,
> and built in StreetPilot Automotive GPS.
>
> Limited quantities are in stock and available for immediate delivery.
>
>
> Terry
>
>
> --
> This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> james(at)nextupventures.com .
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop(at)pacbell.net> |
The 196 and 296 have slightly different plugs. The 296 has 2 serial
ports and the 196 only 1. I haven't looked at a 3 or 496.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Watson
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:10 PM
I think you were asking Larry -not me- but my plan is to wait awhile. I
have a 196 which I like a lot, but I always want the latest and
greatest. Aviation Consumer says they are going to do a complete review
of the 496 in their September issue. I also see that there are two
levels of XM weather subscriptions now, one at $30 a month and another
at $50. The $50 one seems to be for higher altitudes than we would
typically be interested in.
See: http://www.xmradio.com/weather/aviation.html
Someone at one of the avionics booths at the Arlington fly-in told me
that my wiring for the 196 won't work for the 396 or likely the 496. He
said it was a different plug entirely.
Terry
_____
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Clark
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 2:25 PM
So what is your plan??? Or did you purchase a 396 already?
James
On 7/19/06, Larry Bowen > wrote:
http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap496/
_____
]
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:37 PM
I just received this ad from JA Air Center:
JA Air Center, your Garmin source, is pleased to announce the new Garmin
GPSmap 496 with XM Weather, Terrain, AOPA Airport Guide, Taxiway
Database, and built in StreetPilot Automotive GPS.
Limited quantities are in stock and available for immediate delivery.
Terry
--
This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
james(at)nextupventures.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Pardue <n5lp(at)warpdriveonline.com> |
On Jul 20, 2006, at 4:58 PM, Paul Besing wrote:
>
> I have the $30 subscription for XM weather right now.
> It's fine, but the $50 one would be nice mainly for
> the winds aloft information. It is available on the
> 396, it's not just a 496 new item.
>
I think the $50 subscription is also real nice for the lightning
data. I have seen times, like over the Guadalupe Mountains, that no
echos at all showed up on my 396, but I could see a thunderstorm
visually and by the lightning data. Makes me wonder about the source
of the radar data because I know precip shows up here on NOAA sites.
It is a difficult area for radar coverage though.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg(at)snowcrest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 for sale |
Its a lot better airplane than the SR20....compare the stats. It is much
closer to the SR22 which is a lot more cash than that. I doubt very much
I would sell mine for any less, there just aren't any better options for
the money.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: aeroncadoc(at)comcast.net
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-10 for sale
Just out of curiousity, how realistic is that asking price? We're
getting up into new SR20 range there.
Henry H.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: XM WX winds aloft not accurate |
I just flew from Florida to Denver, Ohio, back to Florida. Liked everything
on XM weather except the winds aloft info was far from correct. Estimate it
was significantly wrong 75 % of time (so far off it was of no value). Used
altitudes from 3,000 to 11,500 msl.
Dale Walter
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:38 PM
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2006, at 4:58 PM, Paul Besing wrote:
>
>>
>> I have the $30 subscription for XM weather right now.
>> It's fine, but the $50 one would be nice mainly for
>> the winds aloft information. It is available on the
>> 396, it's not just a 496 new item.
>>
> I think the $50 subscription is also real nice for the lightning data. I
> have seen times, like over the Guadalupe Mountains, that no echos at all
> showed up on my 396, but I could see a thunderstorm visually and by the
> lightning data. Makes me wonder about the source of the radar data
> because I know precip shows up here on NOAA sites. It is a difficult
> area for radar coverage though.
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
> RV-6 N441LP Flying
> http://n5lp.net
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
I'll bet there's $80-$90,000 worth of work just in the panel. And if the
builder was Paul Irlbeck, and I think it was, you couldn't have a better
builder. That man knows what he's doing.
_____
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Evan and Megan
Johnson
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:15 PM
Its a lot better airplane than the SR20....compare the stats. It is much
closer to the SR22 which is a lot more cash than that. I doubt very much I
would sell mine for any less, there just aren't any better options for the
money.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:50 PM
Just out of curiousity, how realistic is that asking price? We're getting up
into new SR20 range there.
Henry H.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <bud27(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: XM WX winds aloft not accurate |
For what it is worth, I've been flying the 396 for a year now (I was one of
the first to get one) and I've been on the "$50" subscription ever since. I
have found the winds aloft data to be as accurate, and in most cases more
accurate than what Flight Service and Enroute Advisory Service will give
you, from all altitudes from surface to 16,000 feet (most of my flying tends
to be long cross country in excess of 500 miles one way between 4500-9500
feet).
The only problem I had (as had most all of the early purchasers) was that
the unit would not update as fast as it should sometimes...a downloaded
(free) patch from Garmin fixed that problem.
I heartedly endorse this unit...in my opinion it is the greatest single
piece of equipment ever developed...a great GPS, and a weather display that
is the next best thing to a weather radar, without the drag penalty or cost
(and if you have weather radar, it gives you the ultimate weather picture).
Bud Williams
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:16 PM
>
> I just flew from Florida to Denver, Ohio, back to Florida. Liked
everything
> on XM weather except the winds aloft info was far from correct. Estimate
it
> was significantly wrong 75 % of time (so far off it was of no value). Used
> altitudes from 3,000 to 11,500 msl.
> Dale Walter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:38 PM
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Jul 20, 2006, at 4:58 PM, Paul Besing wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I have the $30 subscription for XM weather right now.
> >> It's fine, but the $50 one would be nice mainly for
> >> the winds aloft information. It is available on the
> >> 396, it's not just a 496 new item.
> >>
> > I think the $50 subscription is also real nice for the lightning data.
I
> > have seen times, like over the Guadalupe Mountains, that no echos at
all
> > showed up on my 396, but I could see a thunderstorm visually and by the
> > lightning data. Makes me wonder about the source of the radar data
> > because I know precip shows up here on NOAA sites. It is a difficult
> > area for radar coverage though.
> >
> > Larry Pardue
> > Carlsbad, NM
> >
> > RV-6 N441LP Flying
> > http://n5lp.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> > http://wiki.matronics.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Pardue <n5lp(at)warpdriveonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XM WX winds aloft not accurate |
On Jul 20, 2006, at 7:16 PM, Dale Walter wrote:
>
> I just flew from Florida to Denver, Ohio, back to Florida. Liked
> everything on XM weather except the winds aloft info was far from
> correct. Estimate it was significantly wrong 75 % of time (so far
> off it was of no value). Used altitudes from 3,000 to 11,500 msl.
> Dale Walter
>
Forecasts have never been reliable and never will be, and that is
what those winds are, they are forecasts. I think the strength of
the XM weather is the observed stuff, just like in the rest of aviation.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeffery J. Morgan" <jmorgan(at)compnetconcepts.com> |
| Subject: | XM WX winds aloft not accurate |
And you filed a pirep so that they could get better at it, right?
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Pardue
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:07 PM
On Jul 20, 2006, at 7:16 PM, Dale Walter wrote:
>
> I just flew from Florida to Denver, Ohio, back to Florida. Liked
> everything on XM weather except the winds aloft info was far from
> correct. Estimate it was significantly wrong 75 % of time (so far off
> it was of no value). Used altitudes from 3,000 to 11,500 msl.
> Dale Walter
>
Forecasts have never been reliable and never will be, and that is what
those winds are, they are forecasts. I think the strength of the XM
weather is the observed stuff, just like in the rest of aviation.
Larry Pardue
Carlsbad, NM
RV-6 N441LP Flying
http://n5lp.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
No. What it took was one neighbor with nothing better to do than complain.
See more of the story at www.jaxairplane.com.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete Cowper
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:43 PM
>"We should hear both sides of the story..."
Much as I detest governmental inferference with private property rights,
I can just picture it: Carport made from pvc sprinkler pipe and blue
plastic Harbor Freight tarps, plywood work table alongside the driveway
set up on two rusty 55 gallon oil drums, cheap noisy oil-less air
compressor running all day and night, rivet gun ringing, stench of paint
fumes sucked into the whole neighborhood's swamp coolers . . . and now
over 8 years into the project.
It takes a real nuisance to get a city council involved let alone a
county board of supervisors.
Pete Cowper
RV8 #81139 (working on fuselage)
Hanger B-5
Visalia Municipal Airport
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
| Subject: | black screws for instruments |
The brass instrument screws at
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/brassinstrscrew.php are black.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gerry Filby
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:22 PM
You can't get to the part number online at Spruce (went through
this just recently). Someone helped me out on this list - try
searching the archive. If that doesn't work - let me know I
have the part number on an invoice at home which I can get for
you tomorrow.
g
>
>
> I need a few 8-32 and 4-40 black, round head screws for mounting
> instruments. Does any one know where I can get these? I can't
> find any
> in the Spruce catalog.
> --
> Tom Sargent
> RV-6A
>
>
--
__g__
=========================================================
Gerry Filby gerf(at)gerf.com
Tel: 415 203 9177
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| From: | "BillDube(at)killacycle.com" <billdube(at)killacycle.com> |
| Subject: | Nifty scale engines on display at DIA |
If you have the time at DIA (Denver International Airport) take a
stroll along the bridge between the main terminal and concourse A.
(Most folks take the train, and don't even realize the bridge
exists.) There is a display of about 50 (maybe 100) fully-operational
scale engines, mostly aircraft engines, some exact scale replicas,
even one Wankel! The scale Continental 85 was particularly interesting.
If you are just there for a connection, keep in mind that you will
have to pass though security to get back to the concourses. (Ugh) Be
sure you have enough time to marvel over these engines AND go back
through security.
They will be on display until September 10th.
Bill Dube'
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| From: | Richard Reynolds <rvreynolds(at)macs.net> |
| Subject: | Re: XM WX winds aloft not accurate |
I know this is going to be like the "primer war".
Winds aloft forecast based on observations taken on the 20th at
use from
negative above
24,000 feet.
In the last issue of IFR magazine they discussed this. Note the
forecast is only valid at 1200Z. The rest is a WAG.
I do not think WX Weather makes its own independent forecast.
Richard Reynolds
Norfolk VA
RV-6A, N841RV
On Jul 20, 2006, at 9:16 PM, Dale Walter wrote:
>
> I just flew from Florida to Denver, Ohio, back to Florida. Liked
> everything on XM weather except the winds aloft info was far from
> correct. Estimate it was significantly wrong 75 % of time (so far
> off it was of no value). Used altitudes from 3,000 to 11,500 msl.
> Dale Walter
>
> ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:38 PM
>
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| From: | "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster(at)flion.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
Sorry, Brian, you are not an unbiased reporter. Much as we are pre-disposed
to agree with your side of things, to get the other side of the story we'd
have to hear from the city council. By the way, your link to the ordinance
is colored so that it is somewhat difficult to see; personally, I'd make it
as contrasting as possible. Red, perhaps, or black on a red background.
Pat Kelley
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:33 PM
No. What it took was one neighbor with nothing better to do than complain.
See more of the story at www.jaxairplane.com.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete Cowper
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:43 PM
>"We should hear both sides of the story..."
Much as I detest governmental inferference with private property rights,
I can just picture it: Carport made from pvc sprinkler pipe and blue
plastic Harbor Freight tarps, plywood work table alongside the driveway
set up on two rusty 55 gallon oil drums, cheap noisy oil-less air
compressor running all day and night, rivet gun ringing, stench of paint
fumes sucked into the whole neighborhood's swamp coolers . . . and now
over 8 years into the project.
It takes a real nuisance to get a city council involved let alone a
county board of supervisors.
Pete Cowper
RV8 #81139 (working on fuselage)
Hanger B-5
Visalia Municipal Airport
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
The whole thing seems fishy. We're not getting all the details.
Think about it. You're a member of the city council, and you've got
someone whining to you constantly, about absolutely everything. Are
you going to bend over backwards to help that person? I know I'm not!
If she had a history of whining about things that were really
problems, I'd take her seriously. But if she whines about everything
under the sun, then there's no way I'll take her seriously. Nor
would I ever abuse my power and oppress everyone else in the city
just to get her off my back. The most I'd do is look into the issue.
There's something else going on here that we don't know about.
But if I were the guy in question, I'd be soliciting ideas from folks
on how to legally make this woman's life miserable -- stuff like
parking clunkers in the street in front of her house or painting my
house some horrible color.
-Joe
On Jul 21, 2006, at 7:43 AM, Patrick Kelley wrote:
>
> Sorry, Brian, you are not an unbiased reporter. Much as we are pre-
> disposed
> to agree with your side of things, to get the other side of the
> story we'd
> have to hear from the city council. By the way, your link to the
> ordinance
> is colored so that it is somewhat difficult to see; personally, I'd
> make it
> as contrasting as possible. Red, perhaps, or black on a red
> background.
>
> Pat Kelley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:33 PM
>
>
> No. What it took was one neighbor with nothing better to do than
> complain.
> See more of the story at www.jaxairplane.com.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete Cowper
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:43 PM
>
>
>> "We should hear both sides of the story..."
>
> Much as I detest governmental inferference with private property
> rights,
> I can just picture it: Carport made from pvc sprinkler pipe and blue
> plastic Harbor Freight tarps, plywood work table alongside the
> driveway
> set up on two rusty 55 gallon oil drums, cheap noisy oil-less air
> compressor running all day and night, rivet gun ringing, stench of
> paint
> fumes sucked into the whole neighborhood's swamp coolers . . . and now
> over 8 years into the project.
>
> It takes a real nuisance to get a city council involved let alone a
> county board of supervisors.
>
> Pete Cowper
> RV8 #81139 (working on fuselage)
> Hanger B-5
> Visalia Municipal Airport
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
You are correct. I am not an unbiased reporter, never claimed to be. I believe
100% that this is a bogus law that was passed to quiet one squeeky wheel. I
also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing anything wrong,
but these are my biased opinion also.
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>
>Sorry, Brian, you are not an unbiased reporter. Much as we are pre-disposed
>to agree with your side of things, to get the other side of the story we'd
>have to hear from the city council. By the way, your link to the ordinance
>is colored so that it is somewhat difficult to see; personally, I'd make it
>as contrasting as possible. Red, perhaps, or black on a red background.
>
>Pat Kelley
>
>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut
>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:33 PM
>
>
>No. What it took was one neighbor with nothing better to do than complain.
>See more of the story at www.jaxairplane.com.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete Cowper
>Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:43 PM
>
>
>>"We should hear both sides of the story..."
>
>Much as I detest governmental inferference with private property rights,
>I can just picture it: Carport made from pvc sprinkler pipe and blue
>plastic Harbor Freight tarps, plywood work table alongside the driveway
>set up on two rusty 55 gallon oil drums, cheap noisy oil-less air
>compressor running all day and night, rivet gun ringing, stench of paint
>fumes sucked into the whole neighborhood's swamp coolers . . . and now
>over 8 years into the project.
>
>It takes a real nuisance to get a city council involved let alone a
>county board of supervisors.
>
>Pete Cowper
>RV8 #81139 (working on fuselage)
>Hanger B-5
>Visalia Municipal Airport
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________
Sent via the WebMail system at mail.engalt.com
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| From: | "kitfoxmike" <kitfoxmike(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
Cool Brian,
Your on the list. Tell us more. Give us some pics of your place and your projects.
Any and all info will help.
--------
kitfoxmike
kitfox4 1200 912ul speedster
http://www.frappr.com/kitfoxmike
rv7 wingkit
reserved 287RV
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49040#49040
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| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
Brian,
I bet everyone on this list agrees with you that this is a bogus
regulation. But I think there were probably complaints from other
people about things like airboats, or they wouldn't have been
included in all this.
You should be able to petition the city council and demand to be
heard and to receive an explanation. You can also ask all your
neighbors to come and publicly state they have no problems with your
airplanes. I bet you could also get a lot of builders within driving
distance of your home to stand in solidarity. With Unison in your
area, you might be able to get a factory representative to also come.
You could also run for city government yourself in order to make a
difference. You could run on a campaign that starts out, "The
current council has made it illegal to build model airplanes and
kites in your garage. Is that the sort of city council you want?"
You could get a petition campaign at Oshkosh. I bet you could get
thousands of signatures on whatever petition you wanted.
-Joe
On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:31 AM, Brian Kraut wrote:
>
> You are correct. I am not an unbiased reporter, never claimed to
> be. I believe 100% that this is a bogus law that was passed to
> quiet one squeeky wheel. I also believe that two judges orders
> confirm that I was not doing anything wrong, but these are my
> biased opinion also.
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>
>>
>> Sorry, Brian, you are not an unbiased reporter. Much as we are
>> pre-disposed
>> to agree with your side of things, to get the other side of the
>> story we'd
>> have to hear from the city council. By the way, your link to the
>> ordinance
>> is colored so that it is somewhat difficult to see; personally,
>> I'd make it
>> as contrasting as possible. Red, perhaps, or black on a red
>> background.
>>
>> Pat Kelley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut
>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:33 PM
>>
>>
>> No. What it took was one neighbor with nothing better to do than
>> complain.
>> See more of the story at www.jaxairplane.com.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Pete Cowper
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:43 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>> "We should hear both sides of the story..."
>>
>> Much as I detest governmental inferference with private property
>> rights,
>> I can just picture it: Carport made from pvc sprinkler pipe and blue
>> plastic Harbor Freight tarps, plywood work table alongside the
>> driveway
>> set up on two rusty 55 gallon oil drums, cheap noisy oil-less air
>> compressor running all day and night, rivet gun ringing, stench of
>> paint
>> fumes sucked into the whole neighborhood's swamp coolers . . . and
>> now
>> over 8 years into the project.
>>
>> It takes a real nuisance to get a city council involved let alone a
>> county board of supervisors.
>>
>> Pete Cowper
>> RV8 #81139 (working on fuselage)
>> Hanger B-5
>> Visalia Municipal Airport
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
> Sent via the WebMail system at mail.engalt.com
>
>
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| From: | aeroncadoc(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 for sale |
-------------- Original message --------------
>
>. Those looking for a
> 182 might just give a testicle or two for a 10.
>
ESPECIALLY THE WOMEN!
> --> RV-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>
>. Those looking for a
> 182 might just
give a testicle or two for a 10.
>
ESPECIALLY THE WOMEN!
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| From: | <chaztuna(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: tiny circlip pliers needed via mail order |
Mickey
Don has good advice here. I used my Blue Point (Snap On's budget or vendor made
brand) Model PR-327 reversible snap ring pliers to remove and install that snap
ring on the Matco parking brake valve. This is a set of straight nosed pliers.
The corresponding 90 degree angle pliers are Model PR-129
These pliers can be used for both internal AND external snap rings. Similar units
are sold by Mac Tools, Matco Tools and Cornwell Tools. Odds are, you can
borrow a pair from a friend who is a professional auto mechanic. I can't imagine
anyone doing this professionally without these tools.
Charlie Kuss
C&E Automotive owner
Pompano Beach, Florida
---- dsvs(at)comcast.net wrote:
>
> Mickey,
> Snapon Tools has an online store and sells snap ring pliers down to 0.039 in
diameter. I'm not sure that that is small enough for what you need, but, if
it is give them a try. Their stuff is the best quality in tools available.
Don
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Anyone know where I can get some really small tip
> > circlip pliers for the matco parking brake and
> > the master cylinders? I can't seem to source
> > them locally, so I need a mail order source.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mickey
> > --
> > Mickey Coggins
> > http://www.rv8.ch/
> > #82007 finishing
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| From: | Richard Tasker <retasker(at)optonline.net> |
| Subject: | Re: tiny circlip pliers needed via mail order |
McMaster Carr has a selection of pliers. I think I offered before, but
if they cannot ship to you easily, I would be willing to get them and
ship to you. We order from McMaster frequently and they are just a few
miles down the road.
Dick Tasker
Mickey Coggins wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Anyone know where I can get some really small tip
> circlip pliers for the matco parking brake and
> the master cylinders? I can't seem to source
> them locally, so I need a mail order source.
>
> Thanks,
> Mickey
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| From: | "zilik" <zilik(at)excelgeo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC toolkit. |
My trip stopping events.
ElectroAir Ignition Sense Wire broke, fixed in Fort Pierce, FL.
Alternator failed and had it rebuilt in Dothan, Al.
Slick Ignition lead failed, replace in Souix City, IA
Flat nose tire, replace tube in Greely, CO.
Failures that I have help fix on other peoples planes.
Flat Tires, Greely, CO
Brake caliper seal replacement, Boise, ID.
Slick Lasar Mags, Replaced in Stella Maris, Long Island, Bahamas
Gary Zilik
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49100#49100
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| From: | "zilik" <zilik(at)excelgeo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank vent |
We had a local builder that forgot to tighten the B nut on the vent line inside
the tank. The full tank caught the afternoon sun while sitting in the hanger
and started to drip just like they all do when the tanks are full. This one did
not stop, just a steady stream started coming out and flooding the hangar floor.
I pulled the cap and stuck my finger over the vent but that did not stop
it. Since the owner was not there we put a five gallon bucket under the drain
and closed the hangar door. About 2 gallons of fuel drained out before it stopped.
Removing the tank and tightening the B nut fixed the problem.
Gary
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49107#49107
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| From: | FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: What have you had to fix on the road? |
My Plane:
Impulse coupler - Slick Mag
Dead Battery
Detonation - BAD FUEL - Lousy AvGas! - New Engine - Thank you!
Other people's planes:
Flaps - Failure to retract
Flaps - out of rig
Dead Battery
Battery - Broken cap (sealed battery)
Battery - Corrosion
Position lights - NAV
Alternator Field CB - Burnt - By passed with inline fuse
Alternator Housing - Loose
Alternator Belt - Broke
Alternator B+ - Broke wire
MAG Switch - Internal Ground - Grounded both Mags (P leads)
Boost Pump - Clogged with debris - added auto filter
Nose Strut - Low
Vacuum Pump - Failure - replaced
Strobe Noise - Shielded wire and Radio Shack filter
Master Switch - High internal resistance - replaced
Radio Problems (many) - CLEANED CONTACTS and GROUNDS
I carry a 45 pound tool box --- 'Have tools - Will Travel'
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| From: | "David Burton" <dburton(at)nwlink.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC toolkit. |
I've had two alternator failures and a total electrical failure caused by a
broken wire to the ignition switch. Flaps failed full down caused by a
broken fuse holder. That came close to an off field landing since I was
practicing slow flight and was away from the airport. I've had a couple of
failed spark plugs. I don't carry one, but I have the tools to clean and
change them.
I was unable to repair (and did not need to do anything) about two different
cracked cylinders, one on a 540, one on an 0-320. Both diagnosed and
repaired back home. The symptom both times was power loss and change in EGT.
When I notice a change in engine performance I try and get on the ground and
diagnose the problem. I'm OK flying with a known issue once I'm sure of the
reason. I don't want a minor problem turning into a big one just because I
was too lazy to land.
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| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
Lawyer: the best possible landing is one you can walk away from, but your neck
hurts.
-Stormy
/not a lawyer/
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:51 PM
My instructor told me if I walk away its a good landing...if I can fly the
plane again, that's a great landing.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 4:12 PM
>
> >"I'll guess its air bags to deploy in a crash"
>
> So how will it tell the difference between a crash and one of my normal
> crappy landings?!!
>
> Pete Cowper
> RV-8 #81139
>
>
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Hey Stormy, take a look (was: Major new product announcement |
from
sportav8r(at)aol.com wrote:
> Sorry, it's a light twin. But if you want a second opinion, I'll say
> a rigid airship with prepunched aluminum inner skeleton.
>
> BTW, why are there no homebuilt blimps flying? Can't be that hard
> with modern envelope materials, and a single seater would be way cool :-)
>
> -Stormy
http://www.personalblimp.com/
See rec.aviation.homebuilt for some posts from the builder.
Charlie @ Slobovia Outernational
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| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
| Subject: | Nifty scale engines on display at DIA |
Thanks for the tip. I would love to see them, but I don't get to Denver. I
looked them up and found some information here
http://www.flydenver.com/guide/art/exhibits.asp
They come from a museum in Tempe, AZ who has a site here
http://www.engine-museum.com/
I have been wanting to build some model radial engines for years, but don't
have the time.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
BillDube(at)killacycle.com
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:26 AM
If you have the time at DIA (Denver International Airport) take a
stroll along the bridge between the main terminal and concourse A.
(Most folks take the train, and don't even realize the bridge
exists.) There is a display of about 50 (maybe 100) fully-operational
scale engines, mostly aircraft engines, some exact scale replicas,
even one Wankel! The scale Continental 85 was particularly interesting.
If you are just there for a connection, keep in mind that you will
have to pass though security to get back to the concourses. (Ugh) Be
sure you have enough time to marvel over these engines AND go back
through security.
They will be on display until September 10th.
Bill Dube'
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| From: | "Ed Holyoke" <bicyclop(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC toolkit. |
Had an exhaust gasket fail and pipe fall off 1500 miles from the house.
Now I've got an extra gasket and exhaust nuts in the tool kit.
In addition to a combination wrench set, 1/4" drive socket set,
screwdrivers and pliers and such, I carry cardboard mixing cups for
removed hardware control, a garbage bag, electrical and duct tape, zip
ties and a selection of screws, nuts and washers and a couple of spark
plugs. I also have hand cleaner and shop towels. When the airplane is
heavy with baggage, I secure the kit just aft of the battery box on the
floor (RV-6a) to help with CG.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
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| From: | Doug Gray <dgra1233(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount |
Would someone be kind enough to send me a photo of the re-enforcement
around the lower end of the gear leg socket on a recent engine mount.
I'm beginning to wonder if this list has been abandoned by actual RV
builders.
Doug
>
> Folks,
> I have purchased the gussets from Vans to re-enforce the landing gear
> socket of my old style RV-6 mount to prevent the cracking some have
> experienced. Parts are WD-672A-R and WD-672-L.
>
> My plan is to have these welded to the mount but I do not have a clear
> direction how they are positioned. Can someone point me to a clear
> photograph of the lower end of a gear leg socket. I believe these are
> fitted to all RV-6 and -7 mounts currently being shipped.
>
> Vans sent me two photos but they are not clear enough to pass to the
> welder.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug Gray
> Sydney, Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Tracy Crook" <lors01(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What have you had to fix on the road? |
During 12 years and 1600 hours of rotary powered flight time:
Ruptured front cover oil transfer O-ring - Un-fun Oshkosh trip
flying on low oil pressure.
Broken tension bolt at RV fly-in @ Crawford TX - Wife Fed Ex'ed
spare bolt and fixed it there.
No Mag failures to report :-))))
Tracy Crook
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| From: | <gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: XM WX winds aloft not accurate |
Rich is right these are just FORECAST.
Why do you need a forcast when you are flying, you
have actually winds, use those.
Cheers George M, RV-4/RV-7
>From: Richard Reynolds <rvreynolds(at)macs.net>
>
>I know this is going to be like the "primer war".
>
>Winds aloft forecast based on observations taken on the 20th at
>EDT (1800Z). Temperatures are negative above 24,000 feet.
>
>In the last issue of IFR magazine they discussed this. Note the
>forecast is only valid at 1200Z. The rest is a WAG.
>
>I do not think WX Weather makes its own independent forecast.
---------------------------------
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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| From: | "Tracy Crook" <lors01(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What have you had to fix on the road? |
Opps, forgot the temporary exhaust system that fell apart in McKenny TX.
Fixed with borrowed safety wire. I carry a roll of it when traveling
now.
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: Tracy Crook<mailto:lors01(at)msn.com>
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: What have you had to fix on the road?
During 12 years and 1600 hours of rotary powered flight time:
Ruptured front cover oil transfer O-ring - Un-fun Oshkosh trip
flying on low oil pressure.
Broken tension bolt at RV fly-in @ Crawford TX - Wife Fed Ex'ed
spare bolt and fixed it there.
No Mag failures to report :-))))
Tracy Crook
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| From: | bertrv6(at)highstream.net |
Hi:
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builder of the award winning Rv6a.
There are four vhs tapes. With excellent information and tips, when
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Each tape has its own typed,list of topics, for easy, review..
Contact me off list for discounted price.
Bert
rv6a
Flying
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| From: | pcowper(at)webtv.net (Pete Cowper) |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? |
>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing
anything wrong,"
Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and level-headed
person, and some third parties who have met him confirm this.
For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining neighbor
seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian has been caught up in
a citywide problem.
I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent
workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to
listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions. Having
been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both criminal
prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation practice the past
15 years . . . I am always hesitant to determine the merits of a case
based on hearing only one side of the story. Whether it is from the
police department when I was a Deputy District Attorney or a client
sitting across my desk attempting to sell me on the strength of their
case as I am setting the retainer for the potential lengthy litigation
that I am being assured will be put to rest with only one letter on my
letterhead.
Based on Brian's comment about two prior successful defenses in a true
courtroom against this lady, she may have pulled a fast one by going to
the city council instead of the courts. In California, a person who
files multiple lawsuits without prevailing can be ruled a "vexatious
litigant" by the court, on the court's own motion, after a hearing.
This vexatious litigant must then present any further complaints
(lawsuits) to the presiding judge who reviews the claim to determine
whether it can be filed. There are a few California litigants in
wheelchairs suing multiple small businesses under the ADA handicapped
access rules who have been so labelled over the past year. Perhaps this
possibly shrewd lady was aware of this potential and sought another
jurisdiction with the city council. If she brings the identical claim
in court it can be dismissed under "res judicata" as the same litigated
claim cannot be relitigated after a determination has been issued by
judge or jury. She has now secured a new law from the city. Seems to be
a clever lady on a quest, unfortunately for her poor neighbor Brain.
The suggestion that Brian get other local homebuilders and his neighbors
to support his low neighborhood impact hobby is a good way to present
his individual situation to to city council in hopes of getting a
modification to the ordinance exempting his situation from who knows
what other home hobbies the city is really intending to control (garage
meth labs are popular here near Fresno, California). Seeking a
determination from the city council in a positive manner about what
parts of his aircraft homebuilding were objectionable, to which he can
agree to control or eliminate, may allow him to continue his hobby with
those restrictions. In dealing with government forums or any committee,
present them with an answer rather than just a question and they will
often readily agree with the solution so they can get on to other
business.
The city council might welcome being able to pare Brian out of the city
ordinance just to whiz off the whining neighbor lady who is no doubt a
gadfly thorn-in-their-side. To their possible irritation, she is no
doubt trumpeting her "victory" with the new law that she may only have
been a minor part in creating.
Get the whole story and you are then prepared to work towards a
solution.
Usual caveats - not a Florida lawyer, seek own counsel . . . etc.
Pete Cowper
RV-8 #81139
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tomvelvick" <tomvelvick(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: What have you had to fix on the road? Was XC toolkit. |
Worse was wood prop came loose and had to land at a ranch about 50 miles from home.
Borrowed another prop and 4" extension and flew it back a couple of days
later.
Bendix starter stripped gears twice so would spin but not turn over prop.
Slick Magneto failed on way to Oshkosh.
Flat tire
Loose ignition lead
tail wheel
Strobe light failure
Broken air box
Help on other planes on the road.
Two alternators failed.
Radio failure
Regards,
Tom Velvick
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49321#49321
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Geoff Evans <hellothaimassage(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Prop governor mounting studs |
I received my new TMX IO-360 engine a few days ago, and the mounting studs for
the prop governor have not been installed.
It came with a bag containing the studs, washers, star washers, and nuts, but
I have absolutely no idea how to install the hardware and I can't find any references
online.
Can someone tell me how the studs go in (they are asymmetrical -- more threads
on one end) and where the nuts/washers/star washers go? Also, what type of sealant
is used on the gasket for the governor?
Thanks.
-Geoff
RV-8
---------------------------------
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| From: | "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop governor mounting studs |
Geoff:
Before installing, I would determine which prop govenor you will be
using.. Different govenors require different length studs. They did
you a favor by not installing something you might have to change anyway.
If you determine that the ones your have are correct; I would double
nut the long thread end. The studs are usually an "interference fit"
into the case. That is that they are about .001 in larger than the
threaded holes in the case. I would use " Lock-Tite" compound on them
anyway to prevent any chance of oil seepage. Use a wrench on the outer
nut to screw them into the case. I would not bottom them out in the
case. After they're installed, remove the nuts. It is not necessary to
use any kind of sealant on the gasket, in fact I would recommend that
you don't.
This has been my experience with the ones I have worked on. The usual
caveat----YMMV.
Mannan Thomason
RV-8 N1 61RL
----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Evans
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:20 PM
Subject: RV-List: Prop governor mounting studs
I received my new TMX IO-360 engine a few days ago, and the mounting
studs for the prop governor have not been installed.
It came with a bag containing the studs, washers, star washers, and
nuts, but I have absolutely no idea how to install the hardware and I
can't find any references online.
Can someone tell me how the studs go in (they are asymmetrical -- more
threads on one end) and where the nuts/washers/star washers go? Also,
what type of sealant is used on the gasket for the governor?
Thanks.
-Geoff
RV-8
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Major new product announcement from Vans |
OR one where you get a Medivac helicopter flight, two days in the
hospital, 30 hours strapped to a back board, a real nasty 6" cut
complete with "flap" on your head that has still not healed after a
month, a sore neck, 20 staples BUT no broken bones. It was the end of
day two but I did walk about, sorta. KABONG 8*)
Lawyer: the best possible landing is one you can walk away from, but
your neck hurts.
-Stormy
/not a lawyer/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? |
Pete Cowper wrote:
>
>
>
>>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing
>>
>>
>anything wrong,"
>
>Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and level-headed
>person, and some third parties who have met him confirm this.
>
>For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining neighbor
>seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian has been caught up in
>a citywide problem.
>
>I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent
>workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to
>listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions. Having
>been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both criminal
>prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation practice the past
>15 years . . . I am always hesitant to determine the merits of a case
>based on hearing only one side of the story. Whether it is from the
>
>snipped
>
>
>Pete Cowper
>RV-8 #81139
>
It seems to me that discussing this as a 'case' misses the point entirely.
If this was a 'case', it would have been dealt with as a 'case' (Brian
has apparently already dealt with the 'case').
This city (which happens to be an entire county) has legislated that
*all* its citizens cannot exercise their constitutional rights in two
areas. No restrictions were placed on hobbies like antique tractor
restoration, which in every way could be just as dangerous and/or
irritating to neighbors.
Strategy & tactics used to respond can be debated, but there is no doubt
in my mind that this blatantly unconstitutional, like most of the laws
restricting conduct in the last 30-40 years. (Why do we allow the FAA
to call our right to fly a 'privilege'? Is my right to vote a
'privilege' just because I can lose it if I'm convicted of a felony?)
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? |
It is very much a "case" and will have its day in court. I could move the
plane to the airport or a mini storage and not go to court, but this needs
to be fought. I will not run with my tail between my legs.
I really appreciate everyone's support and suggestions. I wish I could
respond to the hundreds of emails I get, but that would be a full time job.
I have been keeping a little quiet on all the little details, the
information I have been gathering on the ordinance and how it passed, and
the legal strategy for getting this ordinance changed. This will go to
court and I can't spill all the beans now.
Brian Kraut
www.jaxairplane.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie England
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:31 PM
Solution?
Pete Cowper wrote:
>
>
>>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing
>>
>>
>anything wrong,"
>
>Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and level-headed
>person, and some third parties who have met him confirm this.
>
>For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining neighbor
>seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian has been caught up in
>a citywide problem.
>
>I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent
>workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to
>listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions. Having
>been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both criminal
>prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation practice the past
>15 years . . . I am always hesitant to determine the merits of a case
>based on hearing only one side of the story. Whether it is from the
>
>snipped
>
>
>Pete Cowper
>RV-8 #81139
>
It seems to me that discussing this as a 'case' misses the point entirely.
If this was a 'case', it would have been dealt with as a 'case' (Brian
has apparently already dealt with the 'case').
This city (which happens to be an entire county) has legislated that
*all* its citizens cannot exercise their constitutional rights in two
areas. No restrictions were placed on hobbies like antique tractor
restoration, which in every way could be just as dangerous and/or
irritating to neighbors.
Strategy & tactics used to respond can be debated, but there is no doubt
in my mind that this blatantly unconstitutional, like most of the laws
restricting conduct in the last 30-40 years. (Why do we allow the FAA
to call our right to fly a 'privilege'? Is my right to vote a
'privilege' just because I can lose it if I'm convicted of a felony?)
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "shirleyh" <shirleyh(at)oceanbroadband.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount |
Doug, just to assure you that you are not going crazy - I know exactly what you
are referring to. I have the old mount and will be checking regularly for cracks.
I know of another RV6 that did crack the mount and had to weld on the gussets.
Unfortunately I don't have a photo to help you. If I can contact that
owner in the near future I'll ask him for more detail.
Cheers
Shirley Harding
RV6 VH ASF - 23 hrs
Perth Western Australia
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49393#49393
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Doug Gray <dgra1233(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Gear Socket Gusset for an RV-6 engine mount |
Hi Shirley,
Thanks. I have spoken to a number of RV-6 owners around our patch who
are keeping watch on cracks developing in this area. I thought I'd head
off the problem before mounting the engine.
The positioning of the patches is obvious once the mount was off the
fuselage. Planning to get them welded tomorrow.
Doug
Sydney
>
> Doug, just to assure you that you are not going crazy - I know exactly what you
are referring to. I have the old mount and will be checking regularly for cracks.
I know of another RV6 that did crack the mount and had to weld on the
gussets. Unfortunately I don't have a photo to help you. If I can contact that
owner in the near future I'll ask him for more detail.
>
> Cheers
>
> Shirley Harding
> RV6 VH ASF - 23 hrs
> Perth Western Australia
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49393#49393
>
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>
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>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? |
I'm on your side; my point is that when the city decided to pass a
discriminatory ordinance, it became much more than a 'case'. We are all
affected.
Even if you were the world's worst jerk, riveting at 3:00 AM & spraying
dangerous chemicals into your neighbor's windows, it still would not
justify passing the law they passed.
Charlie
Brian Kraut wrote:
>
>It is very much a "case" and will have its day in court. I could move the
>plane to the airport or a mini storage and not go to court, but this needs
>to be fought. I will not run with my tail between my legs.
>
>I really appreciate everyone's support and suggestions. I wish I could
>respond to the hundreds of emails I get, but that would be a full time job.
>
>I have been keeping a little quiet on all the little details, the
>information I have been gathering on the ordinance and how it passed, and
>the legal strategy for getting this ordinance changed. This will go to
>court and I can't spill all the beans now.
>
>Brian Kraut
>www.jaxairplane.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie England
>Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:31 PM
>Solution?
>
>
>Pete Cowper wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>anything wrong,"
>>
>>Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and level-headed
>>person, and some third parties who have met him confirm this.
>>
>>For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining neighbor
>>seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian has been caught up in
>>a citywide problem.
>>
>>I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent
>>workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to
>>listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions. Having
>>been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both criminal
>>prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation practice the past
>>15 years . . . I am always hesitant to determine the merits of a case
>>based on hearing only one side of the story. Whether it is from the
>>
>>
>>
> >snipped
>
>
>
>>Pete Cowper
>>RV-8 #81139
>>
>>
>>
>It seems to me that discussing this as a 'case' misses the point entirely.
>
>If this was a 'case', it would have been dealt with as a 'case' (Brian
>has apparently already dealt with the 'case').
>
>This city (which happens to be an entire county) has legislated that
>*all* its citizens cannot exercise their constitutional rights in two
>areas. No restrictions were placed on hobbies like antique tractor
>restoration, which in every way could be just as dangerous and/or
>irritating to neighbors.
>
>Strategy & tactics used to respond can be debated, but there is no doubt
>in my mind that this blatantly unconstitutional, like most of the laws
>restricting conduct in the last 30-40 years. (Why do we allow the FAA
>to call our right to fly a 'privilege'? Is my right to vote a
>'privilege' just because I can lose it if I'm convicted of a felony?)
>
>Charlie
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Local Solution? |
Good observations. That is the part some people don't understand. If I was
causing a tremendous nuisance with noise, dangerous conditions, trash and
parts everywhere (which I am not) they would be giving me fines for those
things. Those laws already exist here and it would be very easy for them to
fine me on those things and make them stick. I have not gotten a single
citation or warning for any of those things because they are not happening.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie England
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:22 AM
Solution?
I'm on your side; my point is that when the city decided to pass a
discriminatory ordinance, it became much more than a 'case'. We are all
affected.
Even if you were the world's worst jerk, riveting at 3:00 AM & spraying
dangerous chemicals into your neighbor's windows, it still would not
justify passing the law they passed.
Charlie
Brian Kraut wrote:
>
>It is very much a "case" and will have its day in court. I could move the
>plane to the airport or a mini storage and not go to court, but this needs
>to be fought. I will not run with my tail between my legs.
>
>I really appreciate everyone's support and suggestions. I wish I could
>respond to the hundreds of emails I get, but that would be a full time job.
>
>I have been keeping a little quiet on all the little details, the
>information I have been gathering on the ordinance and how it passed, and
>the legal strategy for getting this ordinance changed. This will go to
>court and I can't spill all the beans now.
>
>Brian Kraut
>www.jaxairplane.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie England
>Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:31 PM
>Solution?
>
>
>Pete Cowper wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>anything wrong,"
>>
>>Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and level-headed
>>person, and some third parties who have met him confirm this.
>>
>>For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining neighbor
>>seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian has been caught up in
>>a citywide problem.
>>
>>I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent
>>workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to
>>listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions. Having
>>been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both criminal
>>prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation practice the past
>>15 years . . . I am always hesitant to determine the merits of a case
>>based on hearing only one side of the story. Whether it is from the
>>
>>
>>
> >snipped
>
>
>>Pete Cowper
>>RV-8 #81139
>>
>>
>>
>It seems to me that discussing this as a 'case' misses the point entirely.
>
>If this was a 'case', it would have been dealt with as a 'case' (Brian
>has apparently already dealt with the 'case').
>
>This city (which happens to be an entire county) has legislated that
>*all* its citizens cannot exercise their constitutional rights in two
>areas. No restrictions were placed on hobbies like antique tractor
>restoration, which in every way could be just as dangerous and/or
>irritating to neighbors.
>
>Strategy & tactics used to respond can be debated, but there is no doubt
>in my mind that this blatantly unconstitutional, like most of the laws
>restricting conduct in the last 30-40 years. (Why do we allow the FAA
>to call our right to fly a 'privilege'? Is my right to vote a
>'privilege' just because I can lose it if I'm convicted of a felony?)
>
>Charlie
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | flmike <flmike2001(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | RE: black screws for instruments |
Tom,
The easiest solution is to get some stainless ones at
the local hardware store and paint them. Very easy.
Punch a bunch of holes in a piece of cardboard using a
suitably size tool and stick the screws partway in.
Paint whatever color you like. (I used satin black
Krylon) Paint more than you need so you have some
spares.
I used SS socket head cap screws from
www.microfasteners.com (there is a lot of screws in a
panel and their prices are fair, plus they ran the 100
deg stainless Torx fasteners specially for the
RV'ers.)
Mike
__________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham(at)hotmail.com> |
Mannan,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj(at)alltel.net>
>Subject: RV-List: N161RL Flies
>Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:13:29 -0400
>
>
>After 4 1/2 years and after being asked "when is it going to fly?" and my
>saying Thursday, about half a million times, N161RL flew Thurs.29 June.
>She's an RV-8 slow build, IO-360-A3B6D, McCauley (ugh.) Prop, Sam James
>Cowl.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com> |
I just flew in Texas yesterday and noticed that the wx
info is a little slow to update. It was nice to see
the cell on the screen about 50 miles before I could
even see it, though. Made the diversion much more
gradual. I would caution not to completely rely on it
in IMC to determine where the cells are, but it is
great for the VFR pilot to make some turn around
decisions, or diversions for alternate routes.
Sometimes the information can be a little old, like
10-20 mins it might seem sometimes.
Paul Besing
--- Larry Pardue wrote:
>
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2006, at 4:58 PM, Paul Besing wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I have the $30 subscription for XM weather right
> now.
> > It's fine, but the $50 one would be nice mainly
> for
> > the winds aloft information. It is available on
> the
> > 396, it's not just a 496 new item.
> >
> I think the $50 subscription is also real nice for
> the lightning
> data. I have seen times, like over the Guadalupe
> Mountains, that no
> echos at all showed up on my 396, but I could see a
> thunderstorm
> visually and by the lightning data. Makes me wonder
> about the source
> of the radar data because I know precip shows up
> here on NOAA sites.
> It is a difficult area for radar coverage though.
>
> Larry Pardue
> Carlsbad, NM
>
> RV-6 N441LP Flying
> http://n5lp.net
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
__________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
| Subject: | Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Long |
To say that our rights are actually privileges is to say that someone,
presumably some level of government, has the power and the right to grant or
deny those privileges. That premise is completely backwards. In the U.S. at
least, government exists expressly by the consent of the governed, and our
federal and individual state constitutions are expressly written to limit
the power of the government, not the citizens. It is the nature of
government to constantly try to push the limits of its power, as sure as it
is the nature of fish to swim or dogs to bark, which is exactly why it is in
all of our interests to push back.
Regulations are written by people who for whatever reason believe they have
the power and the right to tell other people how they should live their
lives. Often this is to force inconsiderate people to respect the rights and
autonomy of their neighbors, but it would seem to me that just as often it
is by inconsiderate and dominating people to try to force others to live
their lives according to the regulator's ideas of what is good for them. A
third reason, often behind onerous zoning laws, is blatant self-interest at
the expense of those without the political power to resist.
I would encourage those who value their freedom to make their own decisions
about their life to push back, never accepting the false premise that they
live by the permission of any other individual or group or government.
Terry
RV-8A finishing
Seattle
-----Original Message-----From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Howell
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 8:46 AM
We are not 8th graders. Most of us realize that our
so-called rights are really privileges.
I think we all agree that the JAX ordinance is onerous to homebuilders and
should be rescinded. Regardless of the degree of EAA or AOPA advocacy in
this matter, I believe that it is a time where our voices should be heard as
individuals, in an assertive and respectful manner. Just like the 20,000
comments that poured in opposing the permanent DC ADIZ, this ill-conceived
ordinance should invoke a similar response, because if left unchallenged, it
will set a precedent that will eventually affect all of us. It may be
overkill, but my fervent hope would be that thousands of homebuilders would
respond in opposition.
Ken Howell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | WTB - RV-6A or RV-7A |
This is for another individual. We have looked at Trade-A-Plane.
If there are other good web sources please email the link.
Preferences as best known at this time
1) IO-360 preferred [O-360 may be ok]. Engine must be low time new
2) CS prop preferred
3) Blue Mountain type avionics preferred
4) Slider preferred
Ron Lee
ronlee(at)pcisys.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
| Subject: | Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Long |
Very well written. You have nailed a big part of the reason why I have not
just given into the 10 day warnings and avoided the citations. Some people
think I am crazy for that.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Watson
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 1:39 PM
To say that our rights are actually privileges is to say that someone,
presumably some level of government, has the power and the right to grant or
deny those privileges. That premise is completely backwards. In the U.S. at
least, government exists expressly by the consent of the governed, and our
federal and individual state constitutions are expressly written to limit
the power of the government, not the citizens. It is the nature of
government to constantly try to push the limits of its power, as sure as it
is the nature of fish to swim or dogs to bark, which is exactly why it is in
all of our interests to push back.
Regulations are written by people who for whatever reason believe they have
the power and the right to tell other people how they should live their
lives. Often this is to force inconsiderate people to respect the rights and
autonomy of their neighbors, but it would seem to me that just as often it
is by inconsiderate and dominating people to try to force others to live
their lives according to the regulator's ideas of what is good for them. A
third reason, often behind onerous zoning laws, is blatant self-interest at
the expense of those without the political power to resist.
I would encourage those who value their freedom to make their own decisions
about their life to push back, never accepting the false premise that they
live by the permission of any other individual or group or government.
Terry
RV-8A finishing
Seattle
-----Original Message-----From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Howell
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 8:46 AM
We are not 8th graders. Most of us realize that our
so-called rights are really privileges.
I think we all agree that the JAX ordinance is onerous to homebuilders and
should be rescinded. Regardless of the degree of EAA or AOPA advocacy in
this matter, I believe that it is a time where our voices should be heard as
individuals, in an assertive and respectful manner. Just like the 20,000
comments that poured in opposing the permanent DC ADIZ, this ill-conceived
ordinance should invoke a similar response, because if left unchallenged, it
will set a precedent that will eventually affect all of us. It may be
overkill, but my fervent hope would be that thousands of homebuilders would
respond in opposition.
Ken Howell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Hall" <dhall(at)donka.net> |
| Subject: | Anti-Aviation bill in Florida - Long |
[alone and crickets chirping]
Eh, er, well, I don't think I'd want a neighbor like Brian. As far as the
legal aspect, I sympathize with him. I generally don't like more and more
laws for all aspects of life. Aside from that, Brian seems to perpetually
have two planes under construction somewhere on his property. That's
doesn't seem like a typical homebuilder unless he's trying to build his own
personal invasion fleet for a war against Amelia Island. I'd hate it if
the guy next to me always had two cars under restoration in his yard and
garage. Whether legal or not, it's not neighborhood friendly, and it sounds
like Brian met his Bizarro with that neighbor.
Brian,
I have some suggestions for you. Remove the planes to offsite storage and
invest your money in becoming the ultimate bad neighbor:
1) Erect a 50 foot ham radio tower in the back yard.
2) Start to build a new front porch and quit part way through the project.
3) Plant weeds in your yard.
4) Christmas lights all year long.
5) Use some old tires somewhere in your landscaping plans.
6) Make a weathervane out of a vert stab!
7) Find out the political persuasion of your neighbor and post support signs
for the other party politicians. The guy sounds smart and crabby, so
probably a republican (like me 'cept for the smart part).
8) A flock of rusty pink flamingos sounds about right for a true Floridian.
Good luck!
******************************************
Don Hall
N517DG (registered)
rv7 fuselage
http://rv7.donka.net
******************************************
> Brian Kraut wrote:
>
> >
> >It is very much a "case" and will have its day in court. I
> could move
> >the plane to the airport or a mini storage and not go to court, but
> >this needs to be fought. I will not run with my tail
> between my legs.
> >
> >I really appreciate everyone's support and suggestions. I
> wish I could
> >respond to the hundreds of emails I get, but that would be a
> full time
> >job.
> >
> >I have been keeping a little quiet on all the little details, the
> >information I have been gathering on the ordinance and how
> it passed,
> >and the legal strategy for getting this ordinance changed.
> This will
> >go to court and I can't spill all the beans now.
> >
> >Brian Kraut
> >www.jaxairplane.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Charlie England
> >Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:31 PM Solution?
> >
> >
> >-->
> >
> >Pete Cowper wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>"I also believe that two judges orders confirm that I was not doing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>anything wrong,"
> >>
> >>Brian's posts show that he appears to be a rather calm and
> >>level-headed person, and some third parties who have met
> him confirm
> >>this.
> >>
> >>For the city council to legislate in favor of the sole whining
> >>neighbor seems suspect, the whole story may show that Brian
> has been
> >>caught up in a citywide problem.
> >>
> >>I trust the list understands that my comment about the pole tent
> >>workshop was tongue-in-cheek and intended to illustrate the need to
> >>listen to both sides of the issue before jumping to conclusions.
> >>Having been a lawyer in California for almost 20 years in both
> >>criminal prosecution and defense as well as a civil litigation
> >>practice the past 15 years . . . I am always hesitant to
> determine the
> >>merits of a case based on hearing only one side of the
> story. Whether
> >>it is from the
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > >snipped
> >
> >
> >
> >>Pete Cowper
> >>RV-8 #81139
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >It seems to me that discussing this as a 'case' misses the point
> >entirely.
> >
> >If this was a 'case', it would have been dealt with as a
> 'case' (Brian
> >has apparently already dealt with the 'case').
> >
> >This city (which happens to be an entire county) has legislated that
> >*all* its citizens cannot exercise their constitutional
> rights in two
> >areas. No restrictions were placed on hobbies like antique tractor
> >restoration, which in every way could be just as dangerous and/or
> >irritating to neighbors.
> >
> >Strategy & tactics used to respond can be debated, but there is no
> >doubt in my mind that this blatantly unconstitutional, like
> most of the
> >laws restricting conduct in the last 30-40 years. (Why do
> we allow the
> >FAA to call our right to fly a 'privilege'? Is my right to vote a
> >'privilege' just because I can lose it if I'm convicted of a felony?)
> >
> >Charlie
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: New Target - Ham Radio WAS: Anti-Aviation bill in Florida |
- L...
What! Only a 50 foot tower?
Mine is 91 feet.
And I need some pink flamingos ... send them up to NJ
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
"Show them the first time, correct them the second time, kick them the third
time."
Yamashiada
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| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | garmin GMA 340 installation manual |
Anyone have a lead on finding the GMA 340 audio panel installation manual online?
I found the Pilot's Guide but can't locate a URL for the install manual pdf
file. Not sure it even exits in that form. I can order one for 20 bucks but
thought I'd ask here first.
Thanks.
-Stormy
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dsvs(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: garmin GMA 340 installation manual |
Stormy,
I have it on PDF. I'll send you a copy tonight when I get home from work. Send
me an off line message to remind me. Don VS
-------------- Original message ----------------------
> Anyone have a lead on finding the GMA 340 audio panel installation manual
> online? I found the Pilot's Guide but can't locate a URL for the install manual
> pdf file. Not sure it even exits in that form. I can order one for 20 bucks
> but thought I'd ask here first.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Stormy
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| From: | "John Danielson" <johnd(at)wlcwyo.com> |
| Subject: | WTB - RV-6A or RV-7A |
Check out Barnstormers.com
John L. Danielson
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:58 PM
This is for another individual. We have looked at Trade-A-Plane.
If there are other good web sources please email the link.
Preferences as best known at this time
1) IO-360 preferred [O-360 may be ok]. Engine must be low time new
2) CS prop preferred
3) Blue Mountain type avionics preferred
4) Slider preferred
Ron Lee
ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: garmin GMA 340 installation manual |
Frank G. came to my rescue already. Thanks for the offer.
This is why I love the RV list. Even when all of us should be at Oshkosh, I can
still get help 24/7 ;-)
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:52 AM
Stormy,
I have it on PDF. I'll send you a copy tonight when I get home from work. Send
me an off line message to remind me. Don VS
-------------- Original message ----------------------
> Anyone have a lead on finding the GMA 340 audio panel installation manual
> online? I found the Pilot's Guide but can't locate a URL for the install
manual
> pdf file. Not sure it even exits in that form. I can order one for 20 bucks
> but thought I'd ask here first.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Stormy
> ________________________________________________________________________
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Subject:
Date:
Anyone have a lead on finding the GMA 340 audio panel installation manual online?
I found the Pilot's Guide but can't locate a URL for the install manual pdf
file. Not sure it even exits in that form. I can order one for 20 bucks but
thought I'd ask here first.
Thanks.
-Stormy
________________________________________________________________________
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| From: | "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV10-List: OSH Update 7/23/06 |
> Announcement is that the RV-8 fuselage is now completely prepunched along
> with an update to the plans.
> Bob
YGBSM, as my Wild Weasel partner would say. Below is a direct reprint copy
from the Van's site.
Wonder how many people at OSH are looking, asking question about the
"new" -8 prepunched format compared to those drooling over the prototype
RV-12. Prepunched RV-4...maybe...but that would screw up all the HRII
builder sales Van's does. Where are photos of the RV-12 ? ? Somebody has to
have taken some. Are they taking "escrow" orders for the RV-12 yet ? ? Can
you get/fax/e-mail me an RV-12 order form ? ?
Now that would be a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT. KABONG HRII waiting for the
RV-12.
"In RV-7/8/9/10 kits, rivet and bolt holes are pre-punched into all the
parts. It is hard to overstate just how much labor and difficulty
matched-hole pre-punching saves. All part alignments, fastener spacings and
measurements are set at the factory. When the builder aligns the holes, the
parts must be in the correct position. An RV builder is assembling an
airplane, not building one from scratch."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV10-List: OSH Update 7/23/06 |
Doug Reeves has lots of -12 pix on his site today.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 3:39 PM
> Announcement is that the RV-8 fuselage is now completely prepunched along > with
an update to the plans.
> Bob
YGBSM, as my Wild Weasel partner would say. Below is a direct reprint copy from
the Van's site.
Wonder how many people at OSH are looking, asking question about the "new" -8 prepunched
format compared to those drooling over the prototype RV-12. Prepunched
RV-4...maybe...but that would screw up all the HRII builder sales Van's does.
Where are photos of the RV-12 ? ? Somebody has to have taken some. Are they
taking "escrow" orders for the RV-12 yet ? ? Can you get/fax/e-mail me an RV-12
order form ? ?
Now that would be a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT. KABONG HRII waiting for the RV-12.
"In RV-7/8/9/10 kits, rivet and bolt holes are pre-punched into all the parts.
It is hard to overstate just how much labor and difficulty matched-hole pre-punching
saves. All part alignments, fastener spacings and measurements are set
at the factory. When the builder aligns the holes, the parts must be in the correct
position. An RV builder is assembling an airplane, not building one from
scratch."
________________________________________________________________________
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
MessageA nice picture of the 12 before the crowd arrived.
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| From: | "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Van's RV-12 |
MessageCROWD ? ? , what crowd ? ?...., There was a crowd ? ? Oh, yes
the overflow from the one gathered around the RV-8 with the all "new"
pre-punched holes. YAWN..........
Thank You...Very nice picture of a very nice airplane. KABONG Do Not
Archive 8*) (I just love to banter)
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvlist
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:56 PM
Subject: RV-List: Fw: Van's RV-12
A nice picture of the 12 before the crowd arrived.
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| From: | <dwhite17(at)columbus.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Lycoming pre-oiling |
For those of you who have installed a new lycoming engine, drained the
preservative oil, and filled the oil sump; how did you go about filling
the oil cooler?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
| Subject: | Anti Aviation Bill in Jacksonville |
Lots of people have asked me to put up some pictures on my web site so they
could get an idea on what my house looks like compared to the other houses
in my neighbohood. Some people are assuming that I live in a beautiful
neighborhood and I have an airplane junkyard on my front lawn. Looking at
the pictres should give everyone a sense of what the truth really is. I
have also added to the questions section. Look at www.jaxairplane.com.
I really want to thank all of the people that have sent emails of support on
this. I wish tat I could reply to each one individually, but I have
literally hundreds and hundreds of emails and I can't reply to all of them.
I also want to thank a lot of the people that have voiced their opinion and
sided against me. With few exceptions, those giving an opinion different
than mine have been courteous and not started an email flame war. It takes
courage to express your opinion even when it goes against the general flow.
In my fight against the city I am the one swimming upstream and I know how
important it is to not just sit back and listen and to express your own
opinion. We all share a love of aviation and homebuilding, but we all do
not necessarily need to agree all the time.
Brian Kraut
brian(at)jaxairplane.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Burton" <dburton(at)nwlink.com> |
I can understand Van's wanting to save the announcements for Oshkosh. I'm
not impressed by Ken Scott telling us at the Arlington Fly-in that Van would
never offer a prepunched RV-8, and that the RV-12 would not be at Oshkosh.
If he wanted to make "no comments" on the speculation of what the
announcments were going to be that's fine with me, but to lie about it was
not. I've attended my last Van's seminar.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming pre-oiling |
Not a big worry, because gravity and syphon action cause the oil cooler
to drain every time you shut down the engine.
If you did want to fill it (hypothetically just before first start), you
could pull the top oil cooler hose loose and fill the cooler through the
hose.
Most folks simply pull the plugs and spin the engine for a few seconds
with the starter to bring the oil pressure up.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: dwhite17(at)columbus.rr.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:53 PM
Subject: RV-List: Lycoming pre-oiling
For those of you who have installed a new lycoming engine, drained the
preservative oil, and filled the oil sump; how did you go about filling
the oil cooler?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Anti Aviation Bill in Jacksonville |
True story about a real estate appraiser who was called to court as a expert
witness. It seems that a lady bought a lot and built a home next door to a
home with 6 dogs. The dogs had been there for years, didn't bark
abnormally, but did tear up the yard but hey, it's their yard. For some
reason the folks decided they needed another dog and the neighbor took it as
the final straw. She took them to court claiming "diminuation of value".
Etc. After conferring with the appraiser, the judge noted that the dogs
were there before she was and that after 6 dogs, one more just doesn't
matter.
After looking at the pictures, it seems to me that you have a lot of dogs in
your neighborhood and one more just shouldn't matter. Keep after 'em.
Bill S
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:54 PM
Lots of people have asked me to put up some pictures on my web site so they
could get an idea on what my house looks like compared to the other houses
in my neighbohood. Some people are assuming that I live in a beautiful
neighborhood and I have an airplane junkyard on my front lawn. Looking at
the pictres should give everyone a sense of what the truth really is. I
have also added to the questions section. Look at www.jaxairplane.com.
I really want to thank all of the people that have sent emails of support on
this. I wish tat I could reply to each one individually, but I have
literally hundreds and hundreds of emails and I can't reply to all of them.
I also want to thank a lot of the people that have voiced their opinion and
sided against me. With few exceptions, those giving an opinion different
than mine have been courteous and not started an email flame war. It takes
courage to express your opinion even when it goes against the general flow.
In my fight against the city I am the one swimming upstream and I know how
important it is to not just sit back and listen and to express your own
opinion. We all share a love of aviation and homebuilding, but we all do
not necessarily need to agree all the time.
Brian Kraut
brian(at)jaxairplane.com
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| From: | "Vern W." <highflight1(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: off-topic lawn tractor question |
Check out the John Deere 2305. It's a SERIOUS "lawn mower" with either a mid
or rear mower deck (I use the mid), and you can also get some pretty handy
attachments including a front loader and a box blade, both great for runway
maintenance.
In reality, it's really a compact tractor rather than a lawn mower.
With a 24hp diesel engine, this one will probably last long enough to dig my
own grave when the time comes, and then they can bury me with it :-)
Vern
RV-7A QB
Houston, TX
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| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | lawn tractor question |
Stormy,
I own a Gravley tractor w/ 52" deck Had it for 16 to 17 years
and its good for more. Its expensive but its the last mower you will
have to own. I've worn out one deck and on my second. (doesn't seem
to be as good a quality as there are no grease fittings on the blade
housings. It will out last me as long as I take care of it.
Jim Nelson
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| From: | rveighta <rveighta(at)earthlink.net> |
I have the following items for sale:
ITEM CONDITION PRICE
Angle of Attack (vans p/n IF AOA PRO) new $1,000
Microair 760 VHF Transciever slightly used $575
Rose Electroair electronic ignition used $400
RV-8(A) fiberglass wingtip light fairings new $10
Westach CHT gauge (p/n 2C1) new $15
Westach EGT gauge (p/n 2C2) new $15
If you need additional info, email me direct or give me a call at (423) 257-6566.
Walt Shipley
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| From: | "noel anderson" <nandrand(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Anti Aviation Bill in Jacksonville |
Hi Brian. You can move into my street any time you like, don't know about a
couple of your neighbours though!!!!!! Which house is the nosy one???(just
kidding) Our Neighbourhood Watch would love you, and if you are ill or
needed a hand to clean up your yard, a few beers and a Bar-B-Que will fix
it!!!!!!!!
Kind Regards Noel
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 1:53 PM
>
> Lots of people have asked me to put up some pictures on my web site so
> they
> could get an idea on what my house looks like compared to the other houses
> in my neighbohood. Some people are assuming that I live in a beautiful
> neighborhood and I have an airplane junkyard on my front lawn. Looking at
> the pictres should give everyone a sense of what the truth really is. I
> have also added to the questions section. Look at www.jaxairplane.com.
>
> I really want to thank all of the people that have sent emails of support
> on
> this. I wish tat I could reply to each one individually, but I have
> literally hundreds and hundreds of emails and I can't reply to all of
> them.
>
> I also want to thank a lot of the people that have voiced their opinion
> and
> sided against me. With few exceptions, those giving an opinion different
> than mine have been courteous and not started an email flame war. It
> takes
> courage to express your opinion even when it goes against the general
> flow.
> In my fight against the city I am the one swimming upstream and I know how
> important it is to not just sit back and listen and to express your own
> opinion. We all share a love of aviation and homebuilding, but we all do
> not necessarily need to agree all the time.
>
> Brian Kraut
> brian(at)jaxairplane.com
>
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | RV Builders Family Reunion BBQ at Oshkosh -- (long!) |
Wednesday July 26, 2006
Got up early, met Darwin and we headed for the first Van's forum of the two he's
giving at Oshkosh. And, of course, it was held in the #7 tent, the largest one,
usually reserved for the likes of Rod Machado and Bert Rutan.Van brought Ken
Krueger along. Van was Van and quickly gave way to Ken, who is an outstanding
presenter and he ripped through a presentation on the RV-7, 9, and -- for the
most part 10. He took a hand count before he started his presentation about who
was interested in the 7, 9 and, 10 and it was clear within a very short timeframe
that the RV-10 is now the king of the hill at Van's.
He then concentrated on the RV-12, which is here. Darwin and I both were surprised
that the RV-12 doesn't look at all like an RV. I happen to feel it's butt
ugly with the pulled rivets but there's certainly a good reason for it since it's
going to fly under Light Sport Aircraft rules and there's a speed limitation
making flush rivets unnecessary, especially since ease of construction is supposed
to be a key selling point.
I suppose it's only a matter of time, though, until someone tries to put a 180
horsepower engine in the thing, and that idea opened the door for Van's to throw
some darts consistent with his scathing article in the RVator a few months
ago referring to "people who know more than the designers." Maybe he should just
name the person he keeps quoting who, allegedly just "raised his gross weight
by 300 pounds" to address weight and balance concerns of performance modifications.
The other subject that came up was the nosegear allegations in the RV-7A. Ken
was pretty direct in fielding it saying that as they've checked these nosegear
rollovers that "there's more to the story" than what's on the various bulletin
boards. Van quickly jumped in that they're not disregarding the complaints and
they are taking a look at things.
Ken's presentation was the first time I really paid a lot of attention to the RV-10
and it certainly is an impressive design.
At the conclusion of the forum, Van said he'd be available to talk to builders
at the tent, and then set a speed record of his own for darting out, leaving Ken
behind to field a few questions.
That was it for the forums for me, Darwin formed up and headed to Appleton for
BBQ shopping. Now keep in mind I called Darwin a few weeks ago and said, "man,
150 people are coming!" and he said, "ahh, don' worry about it, I cook for that
many people at family reunions."
So we arrived at Sam's Club in Appleton and started the shopping. We got to the
meat department and he said, "how many brats do we need?" "138," I said. "Whaaaaat?"
he said.
"I told you," I said. We bought about $600 worth of meat and potato salad and
cole slaw and hoped the thunderstorms wouldn't return, leaving us to foot a very
substantial bill.
I dropped Darwin off at his campsite and headed back to the "Collins compound"
to start setting up. I did the "preicing" on the beer and soft drinks and continued
setting up. The clouds began to darken. Our plan was to start the grills
at 5, get some stuff made so when
people started showing up, we'd have some food for them.
I dropped some parking credentials off to Jim Whitaker and Debbie Pennington of
Lee's Summit , Missouri, who had just arrived at the Circle R campground, and
headed back to the compound to get things going. As I arrived, the clouds opened
up. All I could think of was what I was going to do with 60 pounds of cole
slaw and about $2,000 worth of food.
We huddled under our canopy when Frank Swart of Portage Michigan and his new bride,
Joyce, pulled up in their RV. Frank and his brothers camped next to us last
year and were a big help getting our BBQ pulled off last year. He saw what
was happening and, like a pro
trucker, brought his RV around to the back of the compound and unfolded a big awning.
The 50 or so who had already shown up, including the folks at Trio Avionics,
had a place to stay
dry. Sort of. We moved the coolers around to keep people happy with beer and suddenly
I was in a wet t-shirt contest as the rains came down and I got drenched.
Anything's better than eating 50 pounds of cole slaw.
Terry Frazier came by and quickly volunteered to help cook so we now had three
cooks -- Howard Kaney, Darwin Barrie, and Terry Frazier.
And the people kept coming.
Larry Frey, who is a saint, pulled up with two big roaster pots full of baked beans.
I finally got the tables configured, stacked high with buns, next to a table
of beans, salads, cole slaw, potato salad etc.
And the people kept coming.
Bill Near started organizing the canopy operation and Rick Belsaas manned the sign-in
area where people could pick up their name tag and, hopefully, make donation.
And they kept coming.
Then came tragedy. We were running out of beer...and maybe food too. So I grabbed
$100 from the donations and Dave Domeier, UPS pilot and RV builder, headed
to WalMart, stocked up with two shopping carts full of beer and got back within
a half hour. "Who wants beer?" I said as came back in the compound which was
now filled with more than 200 thirsty -- and hungry folks. "Forget the beer,"
Terry said, "we're running out of food."
I hopped back in the car and headed back to WalMart. When I got there, my phone
rang. It was Darwin. "We've got at least 100 people still in line to check in.
WE need food and get all the beer you can and get back here FAST." We started
out providing Corona and Leiningkugel, but we were now in Miller Lite and Budweiser
mode. I picked up 3 additional watermelons, more buns, beer, 40 pounds
of chicken and another 150 hamburger patties. The checkout women at WalMart
asked if they could come to the party and then helped me take everything out to
the car and load it.
I got back in time to run into Dan Checkoway and it was a distinct pleasure to
have him, and all of the RVers. It was cool to see the plane certainly to meet
Dan. Dan sent a check before the barbecue, which is going uncashed, of course,
because that man's money should be no good whenever he's in the company of other
RVers. I can't imagine anyone who's done more for the rest of us except maybe
Van himself and I'm not even sure if that's the case. I was sorry I didn't
have more time to chat with everyone and I was just hoping everyone was having
a good time. Since someone else had made another beer run, it appears they
were as there were smiles all around. I think some people in line finally gave
up on signing in and just came in the compound to chat becuase suddenly our
food line disappeared and there we were with 4 cases of hamburgers and 12 cases
of unused beer. Oh, and I'd also forgotten to get the rest of the potato chips
out of the tent, along with two other cases of beer. Watermelon had already
been cut so the the three I brought weren't needed.
Things had slowed considerably and Darwin, Terry, and Howard could now relax a
bit, I hoped, and get a chance to talk. There was applause all around, smiles
everywhere and I was asked to say something. And here's what I said. "Someone
had just reminded me that a few years ago, as I struggled with some parental issues,
I'd lost enthusiasm for plane building and put my tail and wings up for
sale. They talked me out of it and I'm glad they did becuase the fatherhood issues
that demanded my time were resolved -- as they usually are -- and I can
thank my fellow RVers for that. And while I'm here at Oshkosh by myself, I feel
I'm also here with my family and I hoped everyone else felt the same way. But
the folks who
LITERALLY pulled the barbecue out of the fire were Darwin, Terry, and Howard for
cooking, Larry Frey for doing just about everything a guy could do, Rich Emery
for constantly showing up and bringing stuff, Bill Near and Rick Belsaas for
pitching in. I can't possibly thank them enough.
I then thanked Stein Bruch at SteinAir, who gave us a donation a few weeks ago
"becuase that's what RVers should do." He didn't want any advertising. He didn't
want anyone to even know what he was doing. But I put the STeinAir logo on
all the nametags and it was the least
we could do. I very much enjoyed meeting Stein and the gang he brought over from
Direct To Avionics and TruTrak and Chelton.
IN talking with him afterwards, we agreed that the barbecue should stay in Scholler
because it's essentially for the "family reunion" vibe. This is really just
a grassroots operation that just took off this year and clearly we're going
to need bigger digs and a big tent and more grills -- and more beer. Oh, and
we're going to need a better count on who is coming.
I was taking Brad Oliver back to the blue lot late in the evening. He's heading
home today and he was telling me everything he saw on his first trip to Oshkosh
and he was very excited and then he said, "but tonight was the BEST part of
being here."
And that is why we do it and we thank everyone who came or wanted to come. You
really ARE all family.
Postscript. The campsite is almost all cleaned up. I got most of it done last
night and Larry and Rich and Terry were all back this morning to finish the job.
We ended up giving the left-over 10-12 cases of beer to Larry for a family
reunion he has. We dropped the
watermelons off over at the Civil Air Patrol kids' tent. As it turned out they
lost their breakfast so they were hungry. We gave 'em the potato chips too. We
had leftover single beers and stacks of buns and condiments that I put out on
a table at the compound with a "free" sign and they're slowly going away.
I haven't done all the financial stuff yet but with the expenses of about $2,000,
the cost of the campsites and donations of about $2300, it looks like we're
going to break out about even or slightly in the hole, but by a negligible amount.
The one thing I regret is not having time to talk to many people but that's the
price of hosting the BBQ. The point is to create a place where RVers can talk
to each other. If you were in line and gave up, I'm very sorry. If you paid in
advance and you didn't get food or
beer, please let me know so we can return your money. We really want everyone to
be happy and to have had a good time.
I also didn't get an opportunity to take many pictures so if you took some, could
you please send me copies. I've got nothing for the RV Builder's Hotline, especially
since I lost the digital camera earlier this week.
Aero News Network also sent a fine gentleman named Mark over to document our grassroots
homecoming and hopefully that will be online soon. Please look for that.
And who knows? Maybe next year will be the year that even Van's sends someone over.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50179#50179
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| From: | "John Jessen" <jjessen(at)rcn.com> |
| Subject: | RV Builders Family Reunion BBQ at Oshkosh -- (long!) |
What an incredible write-up of an incredible get together. I'm planning to
be there next year! Hope someone took pictures.
John Jessen
RV-10 Tailcone
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:43 AM
Wednesday July 26, 2006
Got up early, met Darwin and we headed for the first Van's forum of the two
he's giving at Oshkosh. And, of course, it was held in the #7 tent, the
largest one, usually reserved for the likes of Rod Machado and Bert
Rutan.Van brought Ken Krueger along. Van was Van and quickly gave way to
Ken, who is an outstanding presenter and he ripped through a presentation on
the RV-7, 9, and -- for the most part 10. He took a hand count before he
started his presentation about who was interested in the 7, 9 and, 10 and it
was clear within a very short timeframe that the RV-10 is now the king of
the hill at Van's.
He then concentrated on the RV-12, which is here. Darwin and I both were
surprised that the RV-12 doesn't look at all like an RV. I happen to feel
it's butt ugly with the pulled rivets but there's certainly a good reason
for it since it's going to fly under Light Sport Aircraft rules and there's
a speed limitation making flush rivets unnecessary, especially since ease of
construction is supposed to be a key selling point.
I suppose it's only a matter of time, though, until someone tries to put a
180 horsepower engine in the thing, and that idea opened the door for Van's
to throw some darts consistent with his scathing article in the RVator a few
months ago referring to "people who know more than the designers." Maybe he
should just name the person he keeps quoting who, allegedly just "raised his
gross weight by 300 pounds" to address weight and balance concerns of
performance modifications.
The other subject that came up was the nosegear allegations in the RV-7A.
Ken was pretty direct in fielding it saying that as they've checked these
nosegear rollovers that "there's more to the story" than what's on the
various bulletin boards. Van quickly jumped in that they're not disregarding
the complaints and they are taking a look at things.
Ken's presentation was the first time I really paid a lot of attention to
the RV-10 and it certainly is an impressive design.
At the conclusion of the forum, Van said he'd be available to talk to
builders at the tent, and then set a speed record of his own for darting
out, leaving Ken behind to field a few questions.
That was it for the forums for me, Darwin formed up and headed to Appleton
for BBQ shopping. Now keep in mind I called Darwin a few weeks ago and said,
"man, 150 people are coming!" and he said, "ahh, don' worry about it, I cook
for that many people at family reunions."
So we arrived at Sam's Club in Appleton and started the shopping. We got to
the meat department and he said, "how many brats do we need?" "138," I
said. "Whaaaaat?" he said.
"I told you," I said. We bought about $600 worth of meat and potato salad
and cole slaw and hoped the thunderstorms wouldn't return, leaving us to
foot a very substantial bill.
I dropped Darwin off at his campsite and headed back to the "Collins
compound" to start setting up. I did the "preicing" on the beer and soft
drinks and continued setting up. The clouds began to darken. Our plan was
to start the grills at 5, get some stuff made so when people started showing
up, we'd have some food for them.
I dropped some parking credentials off to Jim Whitaker and Debbie Pennington
of Lee's Summit , Missouri, who had just arrived at the Circle R campground,
and headed back to the compound to get things going. As I arrived, the
clouds opened up. All I could think of was what I was going to do with 60
pounds of cole slaw and about $2,000 worth of food.
We huddled under our canopy when Frank Swart of Portage Michigan and his new
bride, Joyce, pulled up in their RV. Frank and his brothers camped next to
us last year and were a big help getting our BBQ pulled off last year. He
saw what was happening and, like a pro trucker, brought his RV around to the
back of the compound and unfolded a big awning. The 50 or so who had already
shown up, including the folks at Trio Avionics, had a place to stay dry.
Sort of. We moved the coolers around to keep people happy with beer and
suddenly I was in a wet t-shirt contest as the rains came down and I got
drenched. Anything's better than eating 50 pounds of cole slaw.
Terry Frazier came by and quickly volunteered to help cook so we now had
three cooks -- Howard Kaney, Darwin Barrie, and Terry Frazier.
And the people kept coming.
Larry Frey, who is a saint, pulled up with two big roaster pots full of
baked beans. I finally got the tables configured, stacked high with buns,
next to a table of beans, salads, cole slaw, potato salad etc.
And the people kept coming.
Bill Near started organizing the canopy operation and Rick Belsaas manned
the sign-in area where people could pick up their name tag and, hopefully,
make donation.
And they kept coming.
Then came tragedy. We were running out of beer...and maybe food too. So I
grabbed $100 from the donations and Dave Domeier, UPS pilot and RV builder,
headed to WalMart, stocked up with two shopping carts full of beer and got
back within a half hour. "Who wants beer?" I said as came back in the
compound which was now filled with more than 200 thirsty -- and hungry
folks. "Forget the beer," Terry said, "we're running out of food."
I hopped back in the car and headed back to WalMart. When I got there, my
phone rang. It was Darwin. "We've got at least 100 people still in line to
check in. WE need food and get all the beer you can and get back here FAST."
We started out providing Corona and Leiningkugel, but we were now in Miller
Lite and Budweiser mode. I picked up 3 additional watermelons, more buns,
beer, 40 pounds of chicken and another 150 hamburger patties. The checkout
women at WalMart asked if they could come to the party and then helped me
take everything out to the car and load it.
I got back in time to run into Dan Checkoway and it was a distinct pleasure
to have him, and all of the RVers. It was cool to see the plane certainly to
meet Dan. Dan sent a check before the barbecue, which is going uncashed, of
course, because that man's money should be no good whenever he's in the
company of other RVers. I can't imagine anyone who's done more for the rest
of us except maybe Van himself and I'm not even sure if that's the case. I
was sorry I didn't have more time to chat with everyone and I was just
hoping everyone was having a good time. Since someone else had made another
beer run, it appears they were as there were smiles all around. I think some
people in line finally gave up on signing in and just came in the compound
to chat becuase suddenly our food line disappeared and there we were with 4
cases of hamburgers and 12 cases of unused beer. Oh, and I'd also forgotten
to get the rest of the potato chips out of the tent, along with two other
cases of be!
er. Watermelon had already been cut so the the three I brought weren't
needed.
Things had slowed considerably and Darwin, Terry, and Howard could now relax
a bit, I hoped, and get a chance to talk. There was applause all around,
smiles everywhere and I was asked to say something. And here's what I said.
"Someone had just reminded me that a few years ago, as I struggled with some
parental issues, I'd lost enthusiasm for plane building and put my tail and
wings up for sale. They talked me out of it and I'm glad they did becuase
the fatherhood issues that demanded my time were resolved -- as they usually
are -- and I can thank my fellow RVers for that. And while I'm here at
Oshkosh by myself, I feel I'm also here with my family and I hoped everyone
else felt the same way. But the folks who LITERALLY pulled the barbecue out
of the fire were Darwin, Terry, and Howard for cooking, Larry Frey for doing
just about everything a guy could do, Rich Emery for constantly showing up
and bringing stuff, Bill Near and Rick Belsaas for pitching in. I can't
possibly thank them enough.
I then thanked Stein Bruch at SteinAir, who gave us a donation a few weeks
ago "becuase that's what RVers should do." He didn't want any advertising.
He didn't want anyone to even know what he was doing. But I put the STeinAir
logo on all the nametags and it was the least we could do. I very much
enjoyed meeting Stein and the gang he brought over from Direct To Avionics
and TruTrak and Chelton.
IN talking with him afterwards, we agreed that the barbecue should stay in
Scholler because it's essentially for the "family reunion" vibe. This is
really just a grassroots operation that just took off this year and clearly
we're going to need bigger digs and a big tent and more grills -- and more
beer. Oh, and we're going to need a better count on who is coming.
I was taking Brad Oliver back to the blue lot late in the evening. He's
heading home today and he was telling me everything he saw on his first trip
to Oshkosh and he was very excited and then he said, "but tonight was the
BEST part of being here."
And that is why we do it and we thank everyone who came or wanted to come.
You really ARE all family.
Postscript. The campsite is almost all cleaned up. I got most of it done
last night and Larry and Rich and Terry were all back this morning to finish
the job. We ended up giving the left-over 10-12 cases of beer to Larry for
a family reunion he has. We dropped the watermelons off over at the Civil
Air Patrol kids' tent. As it turned out they lost their breakfast so they
were hungry. We gave 'em the potato chips too. We had leftover single beers
and stacks of buns and condiments that I put out on a table at the compound
with a "free" sign and they're slowly going away.
I haven't done all the financial stuff yet but with the expenses of about
$2,000, the cost of the campsites and donations of about $2300, it looks
like we're going to break out about even or slightly in the hole, but by a
negligible amount.
The one thing I regret is not having time to talk to many people but that's
the price of hosting the BBQ. The point is to create a place where RVers can
talk to each other. If you were in line and gave up, I'm very sorry. If you
paid in advance and you didn't get food or beer, please let me know so we
can return your money. We really want everyone to be happy and to have had a
good time.
I also didn't get an opportunity to take many pictures so if you took some,
could you please send me copies. I've got nothing for the RV Builder's
Hotline, especially since I lost the digital camera earlier this week.
Aero News Network also sent a fine gentleman named Mark over to document our
grassroots homecoming and hopefully that will be online soon. Please look
for that.
And who knows? Maybe next year will be the year that even Van's sends
someone over.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50179#50179
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Jessen" <jjessen(at)rcn.com> |
| Subject: | RV Builders Family Reunion BBQ at Oshkosh -- (long!) |
Sorry for the last post. Too excited. Forgot to trim and add the Do Not
Archive.
John Jessen
RV-10 Tailcone
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:43 AM
Wednesday July 26, 2006
Got up early, met Darwin and we headed for the first Van's forum of the two
he's giving at Oshkosh. .........
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | High speed internet |
Not exactly RV related but.....of interest if you are using dial-up to
get the list.
Recently there was some discussion by lister who do not have a high
speed internet connection. If you are part of the group, are you aware
of a satellite internet service called WildBlue similar to satillite TV?
You can get info at: www.wildblue.net I have no connection/interest in
this busines. Just thought I would pass info along.
Dale Ensing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net> |
| Subject: | Re: High speed internet |
The term High speed relative to Sattelite is a partial misnomer.
I live on the wrong side of the interstate and cannot get cable.
Dial up is unnacceptably slow and my only real option is sattelite.
I have hughes.net (formerly direcway) and while it is significantly faster in the
download(most of the time) it is no faster in the upload (no matter what the
redhead on TV says) it ain't lightning fast.
After 5 years I still am not used to the lag after clicking the mouse.
During busy periods it slows to the speed of dialup and if there is rain to the
South go take a coffee break cause you ain't gonna surf.
On balance it is far better than dialup but when you converse with others it isn't
in what I would call the high speed category.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50280#50280
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| From: | sportav8r(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: High speed internet |
As a fellow Hughes customer out in the boonies, I can say "amen" to all your observations
and laments. After growing accustomed to the slow speed of DirecWay
at home, the office DSL connection seems really nice, and my daughter's college
library connection is almost mystical, as in "I haven't even hit "enter" yet
and the page is already loaded!" Well, not really, but it's blink-of-an-eye
fast.
-Stormy
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 9:03 AM
The term High speed relative to Sattelite is a partial misnomer.
I live on the wrong side of the interstate and cannot get cable.
Dial up is unnacceptably slow and my only real option is sattelite.
I have hughes.net (formerly direcway) and while it is significantly faster in
the download(most of the time) it is no faster in the upload (no matter what the
redhead on TV says) it ain't lightning fast.
After 5 years I still am not used to the lag after clicking the mouse.
During busy periods it slows to the speed of dialup and if there is rain to the
South go take a coffee break cause you ain't gonna surf.
On balance it is far better than dialup but when you converse with others it
isn't in what I would call the high speed category.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50280#50280
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| From: | "Folbrecht, Paul" <PFolbrecht(at)starkinvestments.com> |
| Subject: | Elevator TE Problem |
I sent this to Van's yesterday and then realized that they, along with
everyone else in the world and everyone else's brother, is up at OSH
this week.
Hello,
9A builder #1176 here. Starting TE on right elevator. The stiffeners
prevent the TE from going in all the way - it sticks out about 1/16"
past the skins. Options:
1) Trim the stiffeners. Since they're (obviously) installed, I
can't see how I can realistically do this without damaging the skin.
2) Install the TE wedge sticking out 1/16" and leave it like that.
There would be enough room from the rivets to the LE of the wedge for
structural soundness.
3) Install the TE wedge as-is and file/trim it afterwards.
None of these options is terribly inviting. Which is the best?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Glaeser, Dennis A" <dennis.glaeser(at)eds.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Elevator TE Problem |
I had a similar problem on my 7A rudder, only at the other end
(stiffeners interfered with the spar). I slipped a thin piece of
aluminum between the skin and the stiffener and used my dremel tool with
a cutoff wheel - very carefully!!
A fourth option is to trim the TE wedge locally to clear the stiffeners
- mark the locations and 'deburr' away the TE wedge with your
scotchbright wheel to clear the stiffeners.
Dennis Glaeser
7A - Finishing Kit
-------------------------------------------------------------------
9A builder #1176 here. Starting TE on right elevator. The stiffeners
prevent the TE from going in all the way - it sticks out about 1/16"
past the skins. Options:
1) Trim the stiffeners. Since they're (obviously) installed, I can't see
how I can realistically do this without damaging the skin.
2) Install the TE wedge sticking out 1/16" and leave it like that. There
would be enough room from the rivets to the LE of the wedge for
structural soundness.
3) Install the TE wedge as-is and file/trim it afterwards.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg(at)snowcrest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Elevator TE Problem |
its been a while since I did mine but I am pretty sure they all stick
out a bit....
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: Folbrecht, Paul
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 6:51 AM
Subject: RV-List: Elevator TE Problem
I sent this to Van's yesterday and then realized that they, along with
everyone else in the world and everyone else's brother, is up at OSH
this week.
Hello,
9A builder #1176 here. Starting TE on right elevator. The stiffeners
prevent the TE from going in all the way - it sticks out about 1/16"
past the skins. Options:
1) Trim the stiffeners. Since they're (obviously) installed, I
can't see how I can realistically do this without damaging the skin.
2) Install the TE wedge sticking out 1/16" and leave it like
that. There would be enough room from the rivets to the LE of the wedge
for structural soundness.
3) Install the TE wedge as-is and file/trim it afterwards.
None of these options is terribly inviting. Which is the best?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hopperdhh(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Rear Prop Gov. Questions |
I searched the archives, but couldn't find answers to these questions.
I am thinking of putting an IO-360-A1A engine in my RV-7A. It has been
flying with an IO-360-A1D6 which has a front mounted governor.
Could someone on the list please tell me approximately what the thickness of
the rear mounted prop governor adapter pad is on an IO-360-A1A? I have an
old one that measures about 2 1/16 inches. Is there a thinner one available?
The dimension I need is from the accessory case to the prop governor itself.
Also, will the McCauley governor off the left front of my IO-360-A1D6 work
on the rear of the -A1A? As far as I can tell there is about 3 percent
difference in the drive ratio -- 0.866 vs 0.895. I would assume that the governor
could be adjusted for this difference. Is there some other reason why it
won't work?
Thanks,
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russell Daves" <dav1111(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | N710RV First Flight |
First flight went off without a hitch today. Felt great. Plans are to
fly every day for the next two weeks, either before or after work on the
real job.
Russ Daves
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob J." <rocketbob(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: re: off-topic lawn tractor question |
Art Evans (owner of Dixie Chopper) is a bona-fide airplane nut and mad
scientist. He has powered parachutes, ultralights, a RV-6A, a Citation, a
Diamond aircraft dealership, hotel on the airport, FBO, on and on... At one
point a few years ago he was developing an aircraft engine. He's a very
unique individual, and is a down-to-earth good guy. Its rare to fly in to
Putnam Co. airport and not find him there hanging out on the evenings and
weekends. The restaurant has the best breakfast buffet around. In the
non-summer months its not uncommon to find 15+ RV's there for breakfast on a
Saturday morning.
If I didn't already have a Woods zero-turn mower that doesn't seem to want
to wear out I'd definitely go for a Dixie Chopper.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
> Funny you should ask! On the way to Oshkosh we stopped at a nice little
> airport near Indianappolis. The "Dixie Chopper" lawn mowers are made there
> and they were all over the place. One chasis was serving as the FBO's start
> cart! They claim is is the fastest mower in the world and they look
> positively tank-like. One has a 72-inch cut and twin engines with 54
> horsepower! That would probably mow the hump clean out of Hop-Along
> airport! I didn't even ask how much, but I'm not in the market. Check out
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