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Date: Dec 30, 2006
From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: [RV Builders] Superior Cylinder Recall
I talked to Fred Marsden at Superior late Friday. He is the person handling this recall. Here is some additional info that I found out. The FAA had them issue the Service Bulletin right away. They know who owns the cylinders that are recalled and will be sending out letters to the affective customers as soon as possible. To speed up the process they created the Quick check form link from the online service bulletin http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/ this is were you can type in your serial numbers and find out if they are on the recall list. If they are, you need to fill out the online Warrenty Claims Form. They will use this info to process the recall. Manufacture date format info In the recall it shows were to find the date of manufacture of the cylinder from within serial number. The example shown is 52-F05-32055. F05 is the date code BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN FEB. 05' , It means June 05' A=JAN B=FEB C=MARCH D=APRIL E=MAY F=JUNE G=JULY H=AUG I=Is not used J=SEPT K=OCT L=NOV M=DEC I will be having a local A&P mechanic help me to replace my cylinders as soon as the new ones arrive. ------ Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ Bobby Hester wrote: > I was just surfing around and happened to look at Superior's web site > and found this recall that was issued on Dec. 18, 06 > > http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/letter.asp > <http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/letter.asp> > > I'll be checking mine tomarrow, I have all of 0.5 hrs on mine and > hoping to start putting alot more on them in Feb. 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Date: Dec 30, 2006
From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: [RV Builders] Superior Cylinder Recall
I talked to Fred Marsden at Superior late Friday. He is the person handling this recall. Here is some additional info that I found out. The FAA had them issue the Service Bulletin right away. They know who owns the cylinders that are recalled and will be sending out letters to the affective customers as soon as possible. To speed up the process they created the Quick check form link from the online service bulletin http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/ this is were you can type in your serial numbers and find out if they are on the recall list. If they are, you need to fill out the online Warrenty Claims Form. They will use this info to process the recall. Manufacture date format info In the recall it shows were to find the date of manufacture of the cylinder from within serial number. The example shown is 52-F05-32055. F05 is the date code BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN FEB. 05' , It means June 05' A=JAN B=FEB C=MARCH D=APRIL E=MAY F=JUNE G=JULY H=AUG I=Is not used J=SEPT K=OCT L=NOV M=DEC I will be having a local A&P mechanic help me to replace my cylinders as soon as the new ones arrive. ------ Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ Bobby Hester wrote: > I was just surfing around and happened to look at Superior's web site > and found this recall that was issued on Dec. 18, 06 > > http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/letter.asp > <http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/letter.asp> > > I'll be checking mine tomarrow, I have all of 0.5 hrs on mine and > hoping to start putting alot more on them in Feb. 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Date: Dec 30, 2006
From: "Paul A. Barker" <pbarker(at)hughes.net>
Subject: RV-9 Wings Needed
Does anybody out there happen to have an RV-9 wing kit in any state of completion that they no longer want? Please contact me off list if so. Thanks, PAB ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 30, 2006
From: Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com>
Subject: Re: Riveting curved skin surface
Hi Greg, Larry is right. I was the one inside the tail cone while Larry was bucking on the outside. The spring loaded back rivet tool works great on the turtle deck. I used the longer one, Larry described for wing use, when we riveted the upside down canoe. Should have used the spring loaded one as I smashed some interior smilies into the skins. This is a fun time, it is where it starts looking like an airplane. Steve Eberhart RV-7A, just mounted the stabilizer, hangar mate of "Indiana Larry" http://www.newtech.com/n14se/P1010326.JPG Greg Papendick wrote: > > > Larry, > Thanks for the advice. I have a back riveting tool that has a spring > loaded cage that surrounds the shop head, sounds similar to what you > have. I had hoped others had back riveted the turtle deck sucessfully > as I have limited help and putting someone inside with the bucking bar > might be more than I could hope for. I have help that would do fine > outside. > > Regards, > Greg > LarryRobertHelming wrote on 12/30/2006, 6:23 PM: > > > > > > > It is acceptable to back rivet the turtle deck. The key to doing it > > successfully is being able to get to the shop side of the rivets > > pretty much > > square on. I have two back rivet tools. One has a black spring > > thingy on > > it that helps keep the head on the rivet. The other is a longer tool > > that > > is all steel and has a slight bend in one end. I got both from Avery > > tools. > > With a bit of effort I could get you a part number is you think you > > need it. > > The longer tool is primarily designed for back riveting the top of the > > wings. > > > > You should have no trouble being able to use the one with the spring > > in it > > for the turtle deck. The advantage to back riveting is it helps prevent > > slight indentations on the out side. When you drive the gun from the > > outside, you are pushing in and if a slight gap is between the skin > > and the > > bulkhead you will bet the slight indentation. Applying the power of the > > blow from the inside out helps push the flange on the bulkhead to the > > skin > > to get it flush. Better finish will be accomplished with careful > > bending of > > the bulkhead flanges to get them perfectly angled to fit the angle of the > > finished skin before you drill and rivet. > > > > Hope this helps. Let me know if you need more info. Glad to help. > > > > Larry in Indiana > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave & Brenda Emond" <d_emond(at)mweb.co.za>
Subject: Re: Fuel tank sender gasket
Date: Dec 31, 2006
I fitted my tank sender units to the tank using just the rubber gaskets, and a little automotive sealer on the screws. After filling the tanks with Avgas to check for leaks, within a week the Avgas has caused the rubber gaskets to deform and bulge, causing a major leak. I am contemplating doing what many other builders before me recommended, leave the gasket out and proseal the sender unit in place. I want to share this experience with all those that might be thinking along the same lines as I was. Dave Emond RV10 - #40159 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming(at)sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel tank sender gasket
Date: Dec 31, 2006
In the RV7 world, which should not be too much different than the RV10 world, the seals are left out and proseal is used exclusively. No leaks in 1.5 years. It was not too big a job to remove the seals and redo. Larry in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- > > After filling the tanks with Avgas to check for leaks, within a week the > Avgas has caused the rubber gaskets to deform and bulge, causing a major > leak. > > I am contemplating doing what many other builders before me recommended, > leave the gasket out and proseal the sender unit in place. > > I want to share this experience with all those that might be thinking > along the same lines as I was. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris Brooks" <brooksrv6(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Servo Installation
Date: Dec 31, 2006
Bob, If you want the easy way out go to safeair1.com and order the servo mounting kit. It worked for me. Chris Brooks RV6 N164CB Murfreesboro TN _________________________________________________________________ Experience the magic of the holidays. Talk to Santa on Messenger. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 31, 2006
Subject: SNF Changes
From: James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com>
Hi Mark, That is a good idea. I'm sure that one of the "local" airports would put us up on their field. There is strength in numbers. I'm building (and soon to fly) and want to see only the RV's for ideas along with the builders. Rockford is big enough and still small enough. Its served by some airlines and its easy driving distance from Chicago or Milwaukee. Madison Ws is of similar distance. I'm not interested in Oshkosh because its become way to big and crowded. Sun-N-Fun is at my back door but I won't attend it either. A small fly-in is just fine for me. The vendors I know find the big fly-ins very expensive. Is this about money? Its seems to be that way. Just my rant and MHO. Jim Nelson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org>
Subject: Re: Kitplanes attack
Date: Dec 31, 2006
I wouldn't hold their renewal practices against the folks who actually produce the magazine. They wouldn't remotely be the same people. You can rest assured that the writers and editorial staff aren't dictating to the business department how to raise revenue. My experience in business has been that the nature of the accounting department at a company will have no correlation to the nature of the rest of the company. -Joe On Dec 30, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Chuck Jensen wrote: > I was unaware that Belvoir published all those magazines as well as > Kit > Planes. I've lined their pockets more than a little over the years. > One habit of this publisher that is pretty annoying is the > subscription > renewal solicitation. Even after entering a 2-year renewal, within a > few months, one starts receiving "oh, no, hurry, your subscription is > about to expire, renew now before you go to hell", or something to > that > effect. It's seems obvious that Belvoir is primarily interested in > collecting subscriptions and keeping your money. If I responded to > all > of the renewal requests, I'd be paid up well into the next decade and > beyond. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wheeler North <wnorth(at)sdccd.edu>
Subject: Kitplanes, RVs, Primer, Tail Draggers, Sliding canopy, Miracles,
Jehova, bolts, nuts, rivets, oops, insurance and anything else I can thin k of
Date: Dec 31, 2006
Stien, While I know you have had good experiences with these folks I have to say I've had nothing but negative experiences with Kitplanes. Fortunately this had been limited because once burned I tend to avoid any further exposure. However, on not one, but two occasions I was not able to avoid this because I won subscriptions to this rag (I would love to throw in a negative adjective here but sadly I have never read it) just by being in the room. And on both occasions they refused to actually deliver even though they acknowledged they had sponsered the contest and that I had won. It's good to know about the other products produced by this company as I will also be sure to boycott them and to spred the word about their unethical practices. While I do agree that the copyright laws are very clear about one having to demonstrate that they are attempting to protect their property, the exchange posted was desgined to intimidate, not fact find to see if there was a violation. That is inappropriate and unethical and particularly stupid coming from a company whose source of income is based upon public perception. I am very content about this as over the years I have had the opportunity to share the above negative experiences with many folks and have hopefully cost them some significant business. I would suggest we all continue to do the same. And may God continue to bless the American Way. W PS, I have also had a similar experience with Sport Aviation where they published an article of mine but then renigged on the prize which was to be some snap-off tools and a gift cert from ACS. Snap-off continued to refuse and was summarily thrown off of my place of business (they lost at least $20 to 50K in business for that) and Jim Irwin of ACS said S/A was being a bunch of pinheads and personally mailed the $25 certificate to me (for which they have received at least $50 to $100k in business from me). As well, EAA did not receive any dues from me until such time as I felt that person was no longer with S/A. PPSS and by all means archive this sucker and send it to everyone who is searching for anything, hence all the key words in the subject heading... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 31, 2006
From: <gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kitplanes attacks
I found one the most awesome, complete online plane directories (including kit planes) on line. I am not on my main computer, I'll post when I can. I did a Google and could not find it but with "experimental aircraft directory" I got a few other list and sites with vendors and info. Screw Kitplanes. When they threaten lawsuit against one in a small tight community they are going to do more damage then good. Remember JPI instruments BS against Matt? People are still pissed what they did to Matt. How many less paper directories or online fees are they going to sell because of a RV builders site? NONE. Besides the site I am talking about is excellent. I'll take great pride in posting, ***Free online Kit Plane Directory sites, better than kit planes directory that cost $20 to view for a month.**** I'll email kit plane as well and tell them why I am not buying their magazine or directory. __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 01, 2007
From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
Subject: AvWeb 1/1/07
Golly, today's Av Web reads like the April Fools' edition - whooda thunkit? Direct-To avionics and Chelton in deep kimshee over their order fulfillment woes (thanks, GRT, for being the faithful little David in a field of industry Goliaths), spam-can owners told that lots of FBO's won't wrench on their planes if they are older than 18 years (what's that -90% of the GA fleet?!), the tower unaware of the tornado that decimated Embry Riddle near one of the runways (the landing airliner first advised them of the devastation), a couple nearly killed by cockpit carbon monoxide _while taxiing out_ (okay, probably one of those > 18 year-old airplanes!) Is it just me, or is that a lot of weird news in one edition? Maybe it's due to the ownership by the parent company of KitPlanes ;-) -Stormy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: Outside Air Temp add on
Date: Jan 01, 2007
Hi all, I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would like to add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/ gauge system I can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a probe to my VM1000 but don't see anything on the web site. It is included in the newer VM1000C but looks like a separate gauge on the earlier one like mine. Thanks Tim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: Aircraft Logbook requirements
Date: Jan 01, 2007
I have completed my phase I test flight time and need to make a note in the aircraft logbook. Someone told me I am supposed to log every flight in there as well. Is that so? I logged all my test flights in a separate notebook, but not in the Ac logbook. What are the requirements? Also on a second question: How do I get my repairmen certificate for my RV? I am the builder and the current owner, but planning to transfer title to a corp. I need to make sure I can get the repairmen cert for it. By the way, if anybody in Texas has details of the tax situation here, please contact me off list. Thanks Thanks for any help as always Tim Bryan Frankston, Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
Subject: AvWeb 1/1/07
Date: Jan 01, 2007
But don't miss the excellent video of Bob Hoover's famous power-off loop and landing in a twin engine business airplane (Commander?) also available on AvWeb today. I have regretted never seeing in live. Terry Subject: RV-List: AvWeb 1/1/07 Golly, today's Av Web reads like the April Fools' edition - whooda thunkit? Direct-To avionics and Chelton in deep kimshee over their order fulfillment woes (thanks, GRT, for being the faithful little David in a field of industry Goliaths), spam-can owners told that lots of FBO's won't wrench on their planes if they are older than 18 years (what's that -90% of the GA fleet?!), the tower unaware of the tornado that decimated Embry Riddle near one of the runways (the landing airliner first advised them of the devastation), a couple nearly killed by cockpit carbon monoxide _while taxiing out_ (okay, probably one of those > 18 year-old airplanes!) Is it just me, or is that a lot of weird news in one edition? Maybe it's due to the ownership by the parent company of KitPlanes ;-) -Stormy ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Kitplanes attack
From: "Leland Collins" <federigo(at)pacbell.net>
Date: Jan 01, 2007
I like Kitplanes better than SportAviation because they have more nut-and-bolt articles and are more technical in general. Keep in mind that Kitplanes supports the CAFE foundation by printing their results on occasion, whereas SportAviation no longer does. Recall the campaign a few years ago when Van urged us to write SportAviation regarding their policy on CAFE. I do like to look at the pretty pictures in SportAviation. Leland RV9A, 140 hours, in painting Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84835#84835 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 01, 2007
Subject: Re: Outside Air Temp add on
In a message dated 1/1/2007 8:32:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, n616tb(at)btsapps.com writes: I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would like to add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/ gauge system I can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a probe to my VM1000 but don't see anything on the web site. It is included in the newer VM1000C but looks like a separate gauge on the earlier one like mine. ============================================== Vision Microsystems has a separate OAT/CAT gauge package for use with the legacy VM1000 system that is quite easy to retrofit. It is what I have. The model number info is not currently accessible to me, but call VM tomorrow and I'm certain that they can tell you what you'll need to order. There are many other standalone OAT/CAT gauges available, if you should choose to go that way. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 830hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "WILLIAM AGSTER" <BAGSTERJR(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Kitplanes attack
Date: Jan 01, 2007
Great idea! ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris W<mailto:3edcft6(at)cox.net> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Kitplanes attack <3edcft6(at)cox.net> Brian Meyette wrote: > > > I got an email this morning from a Phil Penny at Belvoir Media Group, > claiming that Kitplanes magazine owns the homebuilt plane vendor directory > spreadsheet I created this fall from various sources, mainly the Internet. > He claims it's theirs because I used similar codes as they did in their > "pay-per-view" directory, like "wf" for wood & fabric, "m" for metal, etc. Stuff like this really gets on my nerves. I think it is always good to remind everyone that copyright and patent laws were written to promote the free exchange of ideas, not to give someone exclusive eternal rights to something. In this case I don't see how they can claim rights to the data. I would change your logical abbreviations to symbols or maybe graphics and then see what their complaint is. Another idea is to make it user maintained. So an automated site would let users submit corrections to the data. That way you can say the data is entered by any number of people and can't possibly be theirs. I would be glad to help build the pages need to do this if you like. I have a possible solution though. If the fight with their lawyers becomes more than it is worth, just have someone else put it up on their web site. When they find out about it just move it again. I'm sure there are several people here that have web sites up. I have a few web sites I would be glad to post it on. Though none of them are aviation related, I would even be willing to make an aviation related site just for this. Of course I would eventually end up having other things there too. -- Chris W KE5GIX "Protect your digital freedom and privacy, eliminate DRM, learn more at http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm org/what_is_drm>" http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ator?RV-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Aircraft Logbook requirements
Date: Jan 01, 2007
I know of no requirement to log every test flight in the aircraft records. If you find a requirement, please post it here or email me off list. You do need to make an entry following the completion of Phase I in the aircraft records. Check your operating limitations for wording. It should say something like: I certify that the prescribed flight test hours have been completed and the aircraft is controllable throughout its normal range of speeds and throughout all maneuvers to be executed, has no hazardous operating characteristics or design features, and is safe for operation. The following aircraft operating data has been demonstrated during the flight testing: speeds Vso ______, Vx ______, and Vy ______, and the weight ______ and CG location ______ at which they were obtained. The above verbiage is from FAA Order 8130.2F Change 2. http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgOrders.nsf/0/18b1d64bc8f90136862571d40072d8e1/$FILE/Order%208130F%20with%20chg%202%20incorporated.pdf Repairman Certificate: Phone your FSDO and make an appointment. EAA says to apply at time of certification. As a DAR that works out of a MIDO, I cannot accept the application. http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/faq/How%20to%20get%20Your%20Repairman%20Certificate.html See AC65-23A for what the FAA wants. http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/a61550959e374561862569ba0052b860/$FILE/AC65-23A.pdf You need to complete FAA Form 8610-2. http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8610-2.pdf You will take the completed 8610-2 to your FSDO appointment along with what ever other documents that the ASI desires to see. Expect to take aircraft builder's log, 8130.7, and Operating Limitations. (Take copies of the 8130-7 and Operating Limitations.) I recommend getting the repairman certificate out of the way BEFORE you change registration. Could muddy the waters. Sorry I cannot help you with Texas tax info as I am in the Peoples Republic of California, the land of taxes. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,973 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA http://www.rvdar.com ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Logbook requirements Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:33:19 -0600 I have completed my phase I test flight time and need to make a note in the aircraft logbook. Someone told me I am supposed to log every flight in there as well. Is that so? I logged all my test flights in a separate notebook, but not in the Ac logbook. What are the requirements? Also on a second question: How do I get my repairmen certificate for my RV? I am the builder and the current owner, but planning to transfer title to a corp. I need to make sure I can get the repairmen cert for it. By the way, if anybody in Texas has details of the tax situation here, please contact me off list. Thanks Thanks for any help as always Tim Bryan Frankston, Texas _________________________________________________________________ The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 01, 2007
Subject: "New" Year idea: RV orgy @ OSH satellite (was: SNF Changes)
From: James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com>
Hi Bob, I guess I just don't like the "bigness" of Oshkosh now days. I used to go to "Rockford" and then for a few years I went to Oshkosh. Things kept me from there for about 10 years and then I went back. Its a great show one time, after that it was just to much. I think that fiveonepw has a very good idea. I have the Sun-N-Fun in my back yard but it to is so much ----. So I go there for one day to see the vendors I have not been able to get in touch with. The web has made personal contact with a vendor almost a moot point. The EAA used to be about home builts but has transitioned into something else. I appreciate the help it gives to sport aviation re: the government. I also belong to the AOPA for the same reason. The EAA magazine is like a "club" report, lots of flash but no substance. I like "kitplanes" for their technical articles but the EAA magazine is just circular file material. Just MHO. Jim Nelson RV9-A (almost finished FWF-yea!) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 01, 2007
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca>
Subject: Re: Kitplanes attack
On 13:08 2007-01-01 "WILLIAM AGSTER" wrote: > Two comments. One is that when they send you the No Postage > Necessary envelope, return it empty. They still have to pay for it. This is a common misconception. Postage-paid envelopes are paid for in bulk at a discounted rate. The payment is based on a bulk discount and an assumption that only a certain percentage will be used. But the cost does not change based on how many actually come back. Sending a postage-paid envelope back to a company you're trying to annoy costs them nothing but the time it takes to open it. -Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Date: Jan 01, 2007
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
I have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under the cowl of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but can't seem to find it. Can anyone direct me to that image or builders log? I am replacing my 296 for a 396 and wish to do a similar installation. My biggest concern is the Garmin GXM 30A antenna under the cowl with the heat. Garmin list price for replacing that antenna... $495.00 Sure hate to BBQ that unit. Comments/Suggestions? Thanks, Robin RV-6A 325 hours. Fresh Annual, Adding 396 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 01, 2007
From: "David Leonard" <wdleonard(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Outside Air Temp add on
I used a simple thermistor type probe that came with my RMI encoder. I simply drilled an appropriate sized hole in the skin and mounter the sensor flush with the outside. Then I used RTV to keep the sensor in place. Works great. -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY My websites at: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com On 1/1/07, Tim Bryan wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would like > to > add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/ gauge system I > can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a probe to my VM1000 but > don't see anything on the web site. It is included in the newer VM1000C > but > looks like a separate gauge on the earlier one like mine. > > Thanks > Tim > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 01, 2007
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Kitplanes attack
Rob Prior wrote: > >On 13:08 2007-01-01 "WILLIAM AGSTER" wrote: > > >>Two comments. One is that when they send you the No Postage >>Necessary envelope, return it empty. They still have to pay for it. >> >> > >This is a common misconception. Postage-paid envelopes are paid for in >bulk at a discounted rate. The payment is based on a bulk discount and an >assumption that only a certain percentage will be used. But the cost does >not change based on how many actually come back. Sending a postage-paid >envelope back to a company you're trying to annoy costs them nothing but >the time it takes to open it. > >-Rob > Can you cite your authority on that? I'm trying to figure out why we have software to count every BRM piece that runs on our automated equipment & station clerks count the ones falling to manual operations, if we don't bill that way. Charlie (15 year postal employee, but I work in a different area) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 01, 2007
From: Walter Tondu <walter(at)tondu.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
On 01/01 8:12, Robin Marks wrote: > I have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under the > cowl of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but can't > seem to find it. Can anyone direct me to that image or builders log? > > I am replacing my 296 for a 396 and wish to do a similar installation. My > biggest concern is the Garmin GXM 30A antenna under the cowl with the > heat. Garmin list price for replacing that antenna... $495.00 Sure hate to > BBQ that unit. Comments/Suggestions? I copied mine from Dan. See entry dated 10/19/04 on this page for the tray and entry 10/21/04 on the same page. http://www.rv7-a.com/avionics_panel_3.htm -- Walter Tondu http://www.rv7-a.com - Flying! http://www.evorocket.com - Building ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: ADI PilotII
Date: Jan 02, 2007
If you are using the ADI Pilot II, please give me an evaluation of the complete autopilot system. I'm currently using the ADI so I understand it's idiosyncrasies. Thanks, Steve Glasgow-Cappy N123SG RV-8 Cappy's Toy ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Don't mount it on the right (passenger) side of the firewall. It will interfere with putting the hinge pins in. Ron Lee ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Rice" <rice737(at)msn.com>
Subject: Vision Microsystems
Date: Jan 02, 2007
To all I purchased a VM1000C at Sun and Fun last year and have installed it into my RV8 which I hope to be flying soon. Everything worked except the fuel level area which remained dark. I called Vision Micro and was told to do a few different tests. None made any changes. So they said to send it back, which I did and they received Nov. 25. I just called them and they still have not touch it and said it would be another month to get it on the bench because they are working on a new software update. I guess if my plane was flying I'd be waiting on them to enjoy my work. So to all that might be looking a purchasing an engine monitor, all I can say is stay away from VISION MICRO and anybody that is involved with them. Now I'm sorry I just didn't put in a couple a steam guages. Anybody else had a problem with them? Paul Rice, RV8, almost finsished ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Vision Microsystems
Not till JPI bought them....... I've sent them a couple of requests for info on their VM1000C - and have been ignored.... -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com> >Sent: Jan 2, 2007 10:40 AM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Vision Microsystems > > >To all > >I purchased a VM1000C at Sun and Fun last year and have installed it into my >RV8 which I hope to be flying soon. Everything worked except the fuel level >area which remained dark. I called Vision Micro and was told to do a few >different tests. None made any changes. So they said to send it back, >which I did and they received Nov. 25. I just called them and they still >have not touch it and said it would be another month to get it on the bench >because they are working on a new software update. I guess if my plane was >flying I'd be waiting on them to enjoy my work. >So to all that might be looking a purchasing an engine monitor, all I can >say is stay away from VISION MICRO and anybody that is involved with them. >Now I'm sorry I just didn't put in a couple a steam guages. >Anybody else had a problem with them? > >Paul Rice, >RV8, almost finsished > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 02, 2007
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Tracy Saylor said he measured the highest temperature at the upper rear corner of his RV-6 cowl at 35 degrees F over ambient at the worst case. He checked this before he installed his GPS antenna in that location. Regards, Jim Ayers In a message dated 01/01/2007 5:23:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, robin1(at)mrmoisture.com writes: I have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under the cowl of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but can =99t seem to find it. Can anyone direct me to that image or builders log? I am replacing my 296 for a 396 and wish to do a similar installation. My biggest concern is the Garmin GXM 30A antenna under the cowl with the heat. Garmin list price for replacing that antenna... $495.00 Sure hate to BBQ th at unit. Comments/Suggestions? Thanks, Robin RV-6A 325 hours. Fresh Annual, Adding 396 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: jim green <jgreen_sg(at)yahoo.com>
Debur or not? In the Standard Aicraft Handbook by Larry Reithmaier, page 87, he says "Deburring shall not be performed on predrilled holes that are to be subsequently form countersunk."(dimpled) Seems like it's common wisdom to do the opposite. Fire when ready. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
I wonder if that measurement excercise included the heat soak after shut-down? My -6A cowl can get too hot to touch over the cylinders after a few minutes on the ground post-flight, but I guess the cowl aft of the rear baffles is much cooler than that, even then. -Stormy On 1/2/07, LessDragProd(at)aol.com wrote: > > > Tracy Saylor said he measured the highest temperature at the upper rear > corner of his RV-6 cowl at 35 degrees F over ambient at the worst case. He > checked this before he installed his GPS antenna in that location. > > Regards, > Jim Ayers > > In a message dated 01/01/2007 5:23:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, > robin1(at)mrmoisture.com writes: > > > I have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under the > cowl of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but can't seem > to find it. Can anyone direct me to that image or builders log? > > I am replacing my 296 for a 396 and wish to do a similar installation. My > biggest concern is the Garmin GXM 30A antenna under the cowl with the heat. > Garmin list price for replacing that antenna... $495.00 Sure hate to BBQ > that unit. Comments/Suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Robin > > RV-6A 325 hours. Fresh Annual, Adding 396 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com>
Subject: Re:
jim green wrote: > > Debur or not? In the Standard Aicraft Handbook by > Larry Reithmaier, page 87, he says "Deburring shall > not be performed on predrilled holes that are to be > subsequently form countersunk."(dimpled) > Seems like it's common wisdom to do the opposite. > Fire when ready How about a simple search of the archives. This seems to be relative: http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=136612832?KEYS=work_hardened?LISTNAME=RV?HITNUMBER=5?SERIAL=14404932394?SHOWBUTTONS=YES I am guessing you will probably have to cut and paste the parts back together in your browser window. This post is message #110167 so a search on this number should also bring up the post. Steve Eberhart RV-7A, Everything drilled and deburred so far. Most everything is riveted together now so I probably won't change the procedure. http://www.newtech.com/n14se/P1010326.JPG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: Vision Microsystems
Date: Jan 02, 2007
Yes! I have an original VM1000 and the oil transducer is no good. I have done everything to get it replaced so far with no luck. I just got off the phone with Auto and was told the same thing. They have no test bench yet to check it. I requested that in order to maintain a good customer support with me they needed to just replace it and check it out later. He agreed to try to do that. The action is yet to be seen. I would not buy a VM anything at this point. There are sooooo many good options out there and I was particularly impressed with Electronics International at the Bend, Oregon airport. They took me in and gave me a tour and showed me how all there stuff works knowing I already had a VM1000 and obviously weren't going to change it. Their stuff is awesome and the customer orientation is great. Maybe I need to build a -10 so I can have the EI stuff. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rice > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:41 AM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Vision Microsystems > > > To all > > I purchased a VM1000C at Sun and Fun last year and have installed it into > my > RV8 which I hope to be flying soon. Everything worked except the fuel > level > area which remained dark. I called Vision Micro and was told to do a few > different tests. None made any changes. So they said to send it back, > which I did and they received Nov. 25. I just called them and they still > have not touch it and said it would be another month to get it on the > bench > because they are working on a new software update. I guess if my plane was > flying I'd be waiting on them to enjoy my work. > So to all that might be looking a purchasing an engine monitor, all I can > say is stay away from VISION MICRO and anybody that is involved with them. > Now I'm sorry I just didn't put in a couple a steam guages. > Anybody else had a problem with them? > > Paul Rice, > RV8, almost finsished > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: Richard Dudley <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing
Listers, Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the periodic testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, transponder and encoder? All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm now approaching the two year point and would like to find the details of what tests must be done before the end of the two years. Thanks in advance. Richard Dudley -6A flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: "jason(at)hills.org" <jason(at)hills.org>
Subject: Re: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing
FAR 91.411, 91.413 and Part 43: App E, Sec E43.1 & App F, Sec F43.1 (I believe those cover all of the VFR & IFR checks). ...Jason RV-8 (almost ready to start on wings) ----Original Message---- From: rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net Date: Jan 2, 2007 15:13 Subj: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing net> Listers, Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the periodic testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, transponder and encoder? All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm now approaching the two year point and would like to find the details of what tests must be done before the end of the two years. Thanks in advance. Richard Dudley -6A flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: jim green <jgreen_sg(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re deburing before dimpling
Thanks for the input. The author of the Standard Aircraft Handbook wrote this book before RVs were even a twinkle in Van's eye. As I understand it he is not talking about prepunched kits or any other kind of kit. By predrilled he just means holes drilled before any other preparation of the metal. The part that I am interested in is that he says 'do not debur if you plan to dimple'. Sure would save a ton of time on the fuselage. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas. I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may be more heat resistant than the GXM 30A. Thanks for the suggestions & photos. Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca>
Subject: Re: Re deburing before dimpling
On 16:17 2007-01-02 jim green wrote: > The part that I am interested in is that he says 'do > not debur if you plan to dimple'. Sure would save a > ton of time on the fuselage. It would be really, really, interesting to hear what his reasons were for that instruction. Especially if he's referring to metalworking when you have no pre-punched hole to work with. Drilling a hole from scratch in a piece of sheet aluminum is almost guaranteed to leave a burr. I found when working on the Vertical Stab that the pre-punched holes didn't leave much if any burr when they were drilled out, but the ribs and forward spar (which weren't pre-punched on my early -7 kit) left a measurable burr when the holes were drilled. I deburred both before dimpling by running a scotchbrite pad down the surfaces. It smoothed off all the holes quite nicely, with very little concern of accidentally "chamfering" the holes. -Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca>
Subject: Re: Re deburing before dimpling
On 16:17 2007-01-02 jim green wrote: > The part that I am interested in is that he says 'do > not debur if you plan to dimple'. Sure would save a > ton of time on the fuselage. It would be really, really, interesting to hear what his reasons were for that instruction. Especially if he's referring to metalworking when you have no pre-punched hole to work with. Drilling a hole from scratch in a piece of sheet aluminum is almost guaranteed to leave a burr. I found when working on the Vertical Stab that the pre-punched holes didn't leave much if any burr when they were drilled out, but the ribs and forward spar (which weren't pre-punched on my early -7 kit) left a measurable burr when the holes were drilled. I deburred both before dimpling by running a scotchbrite pad down the surfaces. It smoothed off all the holes quite nicely, with very little concern of accidentally "chamfering" the holes. -Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Robin Marks wrote: > As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the > antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having > to replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. > I spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A > antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F > under the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes > it feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas. > > I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may be > more heat resistant than the GXM 30A. > > Thanks for the suggestions & photos. > > Robin > Just out of curiosity, what color is the antenna? If it's black (or any dark color) & under a closed canopy, it could easily approach 200 degrees on a sunny day... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net>
Subject: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
At 05:41 PM 1/2/2007, you wrote: >As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the >antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to >replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I spoke >with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A antenna is >-40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under the cowl or >in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it feels like 185 F >in the shade in Texas. Just remember that GPS satellites are moving and are all over the sky. Any metal will block signals. Ron Lee ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Garry" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Date: Jan 02, 2007
How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your antenna is in the baggage bay under a metal skin? Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas. I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may be more heat resistant than the GXM 30A. Thanks for the suggestions & photos. Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "wskimike" <wskimike(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing
Date: Jan 02, 2007
FAR Part 91 requires the test and Part 43 appendix E and F has the requirements. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Dudley" <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing > > Listers, > > Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the periodic > testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, transponder and encoder? > All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm now approaching > the two year point and would like to find the details of what tests must > be done before the end of the two years. > Thanks in advance. > > Richard Dudley > -6A flying > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Date: Jan 02, 2007
With a tip-up canopy, you could mount the GPS antenna on a little shelf sticking out beside the cabin frame support channel. Or, if you're slick, you could cut a little "window" in the top of the support channel and install the antenna IN the channel. All that said, my main GPS antenna is under the cowl. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1166 hours) www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your antenna is in the baggage bay under a metal skin? Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas. I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may be more heat resistant than the GXM 30A. Thanks for the suggestions & photos. Robin href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: "David Leonard" <wdleonard(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Dan, I thought your GPS antennas were under the fore-deck under fiberglass. I liked the idea so much I also cut a hole in my for-deck, and covered it with fiberglass. I plan to mount all my satellite antennas under there. Dave Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY My websites at: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com On 1/2/07, Dan Checkoway wrote: > > With a tip-up canopy, you could mount the GPS antenna on a little shelf > sticking out beside the cabin frame support channel. > > Or, if you're slick, you could cut a little "window" in the top of the > support channel and install the antenna IN the channel. > > All that said, my main GPS antenna is under the cowl. > > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D (1166 hours) > www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Garry > *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:06 PM > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl > > > How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your antenna is in the > baggage bay under a metal skin? > > Garry Stout > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Robin Marks > *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM > *Subject:* RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl > > > As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the > antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to > replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I spoke > with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A antenna is > -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under the cowl or > in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it feels like 185 F in > the shade in Texas. > > I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may be > more heat resistant than the GXM 30A. > > Thanks for the suggestions & photos. > > Robin > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > * > > -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Vision Microsystems
Date: Jan 02, 2007
Well I guess I'm in the minority on this one. I had a few "growing pains" getting my VM1000 up and running, but the folks at Vision Microsystems were excellent in helping me find the answers or provide the fix. I had an oil pressure problem that ended up being a cold solder joint. With their help I was able to trouble shoot it and make it right. I also had a fuel flow transducer issue that ended up being the wrong one for my engine/fuel system. That was my screw up when I ordered it, not theirs, but they quickly made it right. If I were to become a "repeat offender" and build another RV, I would not hesitate to go with VM again. It has worked flawlessly after resolving the initial problems mentioned. Just my two cents worth. Steve Struyk RV-8, 75 hours St. Charles, MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:59 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Vision Microsystems > > Yes! I have an original VM1000 and the oil transducer is no good. I have > done everything to get it replaced so far with no luck. I just got off > the > phone with Auto and was told the same thing. They have no test bench yet > to > check it. I requested that in order to maintain a good customer support > with me they needed to just replace it and check it out later. He agreed > to > try to do that. The action is yet to be seen. > > I would not buy a VM anything at this point. There are sooooo many good > options out there and I was particularly impressed with Electronics > International at the Bend, Oregon airport. They took me in and gave me a > tour and showed me how all there stuff works knowing I already had a > VM1000 > and obviously weren't going to change it. Their stuff is awesome and the > customer orientation is great. Maybe I need to build a -10 so I can have > the EI stuff. > > Tim > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- >> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rice >> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:41 AM >> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV-List: Vision Microsystems >> >> >> To all >> >> I purchased a VM1000C at Sun and Fun last year and have installed it into >> my >> RV8 which I hope to be flying soon. Everything worked except the fuel >> level >> area which remained dark. I called Vision Micro and was told to do a few >> different tests. None made any changes. So they said to send it back, >> which I did and they received Nov. 25. I just called them and they still >> have not touch it and said it would be another month to get it on the >> bench >> because they are working on a new software update. I guess if my plane >> was >> flying I'd be waiting on them to enjoy my work. >> So to all that might be looking a purchasing an engine monitor, all I can >> say is stay away from VISION MICRO and anybody that is involved with >> them. >> Now I'm sorry I just didn't put in a couple a steam guages. >> Anybody else had a problem with them? >> >> Paul Rice, >> RV8, almost finsished >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Date: Jan 02, 2007
I do have GPS and XM antennas under there (under the access panels). It's just my primary panel mounted GPS antenna that's under the cowl. The other antennas "seemed" more fragile in terms of temperature tolerance, and I didn't want yet a few more firewall penetrations. Under cowl temps can get quite hot when the plane is sitting after a flight in the summertime. I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing... )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: David Leonard To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl Dan, I thought your GPS antennas were under the fore-deck under fiberglass. I liked the idea so much I also cut a hole in my for-deck, and covered it with fiberglass. I plan to mount all my satellite antennas under there. Dave Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY My websites at: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com On 1/2/07, Dan Checkoway wrote: With a tip-up canopy, you could mount the GPS antenna on a little shelf sticking out beside the cabin frame support channel. Or, if you're slick, you could cut a little "window" in the top of the support channel and install the antenna IN the channel. All that said, my main GPS antenna is under the cowl. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1166 hours) www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your antenna is in the baggage bay under a metal skin? Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas. I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may be more heat resistant than the GXM 30A. Thanks for the suggestions & photos. Robin href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle(at)inclinesoftworks.com>
Subject: Vision Microsystems
Date: Jan 02, 2007
Paul, Have you calibrated the fuel level system? You have to do a few things to get it set up. First, you have to set the range limits. That tells the system if you have one tank or two. (Almost everyone has two, but that's the way it works). From there, you set the max fuel per tank. Then you have to calibrate the senders by adding fuel. Let me know off-list if you are still having trouble Dan Beadle -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rice Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: RV-List: Vision Microsystems To all I purchased a VM1000C at Sun and Fun last year and have installed it into my RV8 which I hope to be flying soon. Everything worked except the fuel level area which remained dark. I called Vision Micro and was told to do a few different tests. None made any changes. So they said to send it back, which I did and they received Nov. 25. I just called them and they still have not touch it and said it would be another month to get it on the bench because they are working on a new software update. I guess if my plane was flying I'd be waiting on them to enjoy my work. So to all that might be looking a purchasing an engine monitor, all I can say is stay away from VISION MICRO and anybody that is involved with them. Now I'm sorry I just didn't put in a couple a steam guages. Anybody else had a problem with them? Paul Rice, RV8, almost finsished ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: Vision Microsystems
Date: Jan 02, 2007
I suspect this was before the change in ownership. Things have changed, and maybe they will get sorted out again. Lets hope. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Struyk > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:05 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Vision Microsystems > > > Well I guess I'm in the minority on this one. > > I had a few "growing pains" getting my VM1000 up and running, but the > folks > at Vision Microsystems were excellent in helping me find the answers or > provide the fix. I had an oil pressure problem that ended up being a cold > solder joint. With their help I was able to trouble shoot it and make it > right. I also had a fuel flow transducer issue that ended up being the > wrong one for my engine/fuel system. That was my screw up when I ordered > it, > not theirs, but they quickly made it right. > > If I were to become a "repeat offender" and build another RV, I would not > hesitate to go with VM again. It has worked flawlessly after resolving the > initial problems mentioned. > > Just my two cents worth. > > Steve Struyk > RV-8, 75 hours > St. Charles, MO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:59 PM > Subject: RE: RV-List: Vision Microsystems > > > > > > Yes! I have an original VM1000 and the oil transducer is no good. I > have > > done everything to get it replaced so far with no luck. I just got off > > the > > phone with Auto and was told the same thing. They have no test bench > yet > > to > > check it. I requested that in order to maintain a good customer support > > with me they needed to just replace it and check it out later. He > agreed > > to > > try to do that. The action is yet to be seen. > > > > I would not buy a VM anything at this point. There are sooooo many good > > options out there and I was particularly impressed with Electronics > > International at the Bend, Oregon airport. They took me in and gave me > a > > tour and showed me how all there stuff works knowing I already had a > > VM1000 > > and obviously weren't going to change it. Their stuff is awesome and > the > > customer orientation is great. Maybe I need to build a -10 so I can > have > > the EI stuff. > > > > Tim > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > >> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rice > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:41 AM > >> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > >> Subject: RV-List: Vision Microsystems > >> > >> > >> To all > >> > >> I purchased a VM1000C at Sun and Fun last year and have installed it > into > >> my > >> RV8 which I hope to be flying soon. Everything worked except the fuel > >> level > >> area which remained dark. I called Vision Micro and was told to do a > few > >> different tests. None made any changes. So they said to send it back, > >> which I did and they received Nov. 25. I just called them and they > still > >> have not touch it and said it would be another month to get it on the > >> bench > >> because they are working on a new software update. I guess if my plane > >> was > >> flying I'd be waiting on them to enjoy my work. > >> So to all that might be looking a purchasing an engine monitor, all I > can > >> say is stay away from VISION MICRO and anybody that is involved with > >> them. > >> Now I'm sorry I just didn't put in a couple a steam guages. > >> Anybody else had a problem with them? > >> > >> Paul Rice, > >> RV8, almost finsished > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 02, 2007
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Hi Dan, The next time you see Tracy Saylor, you might mention that to him. :-) Jim In a message dated 01/02/2007 8:32:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, dan(at)rvproject.com writes: I do have GPS and XM antennas under there (under the access panels). It's just my primary panel mounted GPS antenna that's under the cowl. The other antennas "seemed" more fragile in terms of temperature tolerance, and I didn't want yet a few more firewall penetrations. Under cowl temps can get quite hot when the plane is sitting after a flight in the summertime. I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing... )_( Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: registration results
My plane is a "Gummo Special". When I called Falcon Insurance, they ask what it was and I told them it was based on a Harmon Rocket and they wrote the policy with no problems. To them it is a Rocket. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Reuven Silberman To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: registration results Your problem is not really with the state taxation folks but potentially with your insurance company. And trying to hide your RV from the state as a one-of just because you registered it as a Speed-Burner 1 could be construed as fraud. As for the insurance company they will want to know what it is insuring. So you tell them it is registered as a Speed-Burner 1 and they say WOH - we have no history with that model and it doesnt show up on any listing we have of production or homebuilt aircraft, so we decline to insure it. But being the slick guy you are you tell the insurance company it is and RV-(x) and they say - Heres Your Policy have-a-nice-day. NOW comes the potentially fun part. Due to no fault of your own (being an excellent pilot) your airplane departs the paved parts of a controlled airport and the tower closes that part of the airport for a period of time and fills out an incident report on an RV-(x). You call the insurance company to file a claim, they pull your file AND check the FAA data base. OH OH we have a discrepancy here - now the fun begins. Ya sure you want to open that box of snakes vs paying a few dollars to the state? Anon Dana Overall wrote: >From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com >Just remember - It isn't an airplane until it has been inspected and >approved for flight !! Bob, I wish that were so in Kentucky but it is not. There is not notification when you reserve an N number. However, upon registration, notification is sent to the resident state. In Kentucky it is then either a tangible or intangible taxable piece of property for property tax purposes. The sales tax issue applies whether you register, don't register if you bought the parts out of state, from an entity other than another person not doing business as, and didn't pay appropriate sales tax. They get you from several directions. I won't say again what my profession is other than I'm getting ready to get real busy and will be so up until just before Sun & Fun:-) With that said, I am waiting until after Jan. 1 to send in my registration. In Kentucky you have the ability to pay the "use" (sales tax) on your individual income tax return for the year in which bought the parts. I'll pay some sales tax then. The idea of property tax applies to what you had in your possession on Jan. 1, the previous year. So, by waiting post Jan. 1 2007, my property tax will not be assessed until Jan. 1 2008 and not due until the fall of 2009. I'd rather play with my money than have "them" play with it. Enough of tax ideas, leave that up to the CPA's.........oh, wait I am a........ Property tax. I am registering my airplane as a DO-2 (Dana Overall, second airplane). I am not desiring to get around paying property tax, however, if I register it as an RV, there is a huge data bank for the state to arbitrarily apply a value to my airplane. It could be more, less than what I think it is worth. By not giving them something to cross reference, I get to tell them for a change. No, they don't send someone out to look at it, even if they did, what are the chances they would have any idea what an RV airplane or a DO airplane was? Yes, you can get RV insurance on and airplane simply registered as a Double Throw Me Down-1, WOO HOO 7, Man This Thing Cost A Fortune 10 (oh wait, that one maybe not a good one for tax purposes). Taxes on Christmas Eve...............Bah Humbug!! BTW, MERRY CHRISTMAS Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: Dan <dan(at)rdan.com>
Subject: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ?
I'm up to the Battery box, and have noticed quite a few people mounting it aft of the firewall, looks clean and helps with CG but stock looks good too. ?? U plan on (still lookin but leaning twords) an IO 360 180hp CS, I'm only 170lbs Ideas? picture? Thanks, Dan -8 Fuselage Lake Stevens, WA N928RV reserved ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 03, 2007
From: John Huft <rv8(at)lazy8.net>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Dan Checkoway wrote: > I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing... > > )_( Dan Before you say something like that Dan, you should try actually measuring it. I have, and got similar results to Tracy's. John > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* David Leonard > *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:53 PM > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl > > Dan, I thought your GPS antennas were under the fore-deck under > fiberglass. I liked the idea so much I also cut a hole in my > for-deck, and covered it with fiberglass. I plan to mount all my > satellite antennas under there. > > Dave Leonard > > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > My websites at: > http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html > http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html > http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com > > On 1/2/07, *Dan Checkoway* > wrote: > > With a tip-up canopy, you could mount the GPS antenna on a > little shelf sticking out beside the cabin frame support channel. > > Or, if you're slick, you could cut a little "window" in the > top of the support channel and install the antenna IN the channel. > > All that said, my main GPS antenna is under the cowl. > > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D (1166 hours) > www.rvproject.com <http://www.rvproject.com/> / > www.weathermeister.com <http://www.weathermeister.com/> > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Garry > *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:06 PM > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl > > > How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your > antenna is in the baggage bay under a metal skin? > > Garry Stout > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Robin Marks > *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM > *Subject:* RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl > > > > As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted > for placing the antenna in the baggage area after > considering the potential of having to replace a $500 > antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I > spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating > range for GXM 30A antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems > like we can get close to +185F under the cowl or in a > closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it > feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas. > > I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin > GPS antenna may be more heat resistant than the GXM 30A. > > Thanks for the suggestions & photos. > > Robin > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com "> > http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com "> > http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > > -- > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Hopperdhh(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 03, 2007
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Dan, If you are saying that it gets hotter than that, I agree. There is quite a bit of engine heat that accumulates behind the baffle from the exhaust and oil sump. I also believe the curves -- without engine heat. I have a very simple GPS antenna installation. The Garmin 295 is mounted in the panel. A 6 inch length of RG-400 goes to a BNC bulkhead connector on the glareshield (sliding canopy). The portable antenna from the 295 then sits on the topside of the connector. It has always gotten good reception. Dan Hopper RV-7A In a message dated 1/2/2007 11:32:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, dan(at)rvproject.com writes: I do have GPS and XM antennas under there (under the access panels). It's just my primary panel mounted GPS antenna that's under the cowl. The other antennas "seemed" more fragile in terms of temperature tolerance, and I didn't want yet a few more firewall penetrations. Under cowl temps can get quite hot when the plane is sitting after a flight in the summertime. I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing... )_( Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Date: Jan 03, 2007
Interesting. Still call me a skeptic, but I agree about measuring it. I'll get some nonreversible temperature strips from McMaster and see what it hits. http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=519 (middle of that page) )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: John Huft To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:19 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl Dan Checkoway wrote: I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing... )_( Dan Before you say something like that Dan, you should try actually measuring it. I have, and got similar results to Tracy's. John ----- Original Message ----- From: David Leonard To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl Dan, I thought your GPS antennas were under the fore-deck under fiberglass. I liked the idea so much I also cut a hole in my for-deck, and covered it with fiberglass. I plan to mount all my satellite antennas under there. Dave Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY My websites at: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com On 1/2/07, Dan Checkoway wrote: With a tip-up canopy, you could mount the GPS antenna on a little shelf sticking out beside the cabin frame support channel. Or, if you're slick, you could cut a little "window" in the top of the support channel and install the antenna IN the channel. All that said, my main GPS antenna is under the cowl. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1166 hours) www.rvproject.com / www.weathermeister.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your antenna is in the baggage bay under a metal skin? Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas. I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may be more heat resistant than the GXM 30A. Thanks for the suggestions & photos. Robin href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com -- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: PGLong(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 03, 2007
Subject: Re: ADI Pilot II
Hi Steve I installed Tru Trak's ADI Pilot II last fall and have loved each time I used it. It's my first pilot so cannot compare with other's. I did remove my vacuum system completely and ended up a little lighter. Still think it the greatest thing as I can now check a chart without ending upside down..... Pat Long PGLong(at)aol.com N120PL RV 4 Bay City, Michigan 3CM Do Not Archive ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle(at)inclinesoftworks.com>
Subject: Re deburing before dimpling
Date: Jan 03, 2007
I suspect that punching leaves more stress in the aluminum than drilling. The match drilling and deburring relieves that stress prior to dimpling (which probably leaves more stress). So, for me, drill, deburr is still the way to go. Even with that, matched hole saves a ton of time. Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re deburing before dimpling On 16:17 2007-01-02 jim green wrote: > The part that I am interested in is that he says 'do not debur if you > plan to dimple'. Sure would save a ton of time on the fuselage. It would be really, really, interesting to hear what his reasons were for that instruction. Especially if he's referring to metalworking when you have no pre-punched hole to work with. Drilling a hole from scratch in a piece of sheet aluminum is almost guaranteed to leave a burr. I found when working on the Vertical Stab that the pre-punched holes didn't leave much if any burr when they were drilled out, but the ribs and forward spar (which weren't pre-punched on my early -7 kit) left a measurable burr when the holes were drilled. I deburred both before dimpling by running a scotchbrite pad down the surfaces. It smoothed off all the holes quite nicely, with very little concern of accidentally "chamfering" the holes. -Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle(at)inclinesoftworks.com>
Subject: Outside Air Temp add on
Date: Jan 03, 2007
The new VM1000C is just getting ready to ship. It has a ton of new features. And it is field upgradable. You might consider an upgrade - the VM1000C fits in the same hole. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on Hi all, I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would like to add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/ gauge system I can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a probe to my VM1000 but don't see anything on the web site. It is included in the newer VM1000C but looks like a separate gauge on the earlier one like mine. Thanks Tim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 03, 2007
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Outside Air Temp add on
The VM1000C may fit in the same hole - but.... If you have mounted something above your standard VM1000, the 'C' may not fit because of space requirements above and behind (forward) the panel. This is one of the questions that I have been trying to get answered as I was considering a re-fit to get some of the new features. Unfortunately, I first asked my question of them right before they became part of JPI. They still haven't answered me. And I'm not sure I wanna give JPI any of my money anyway -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Beadle <dan.beadle(at)inclinesoftworks.com> >Sent: Jan 3, 2007 11:09 AM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on > > >The new VM1000C is just getting ready to ship. It has a ton of new >features. And it is field upgradable. > >You might consider an upgrade - the VM1000C fits in the same hole. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:29 AM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on > > >Hi all, > >I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would like to >add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/ gauge system I >can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a probe to my VM1000 but >don't see anything on the web site. It is included in the newer VM1000C but >looks like a separate gauge on the earlier one like mine. > >Thanks >Tim > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phil Birkelbach <phil(at)petrasoft.net>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Date: Jan 03, 2007
I have two GPS antennas mounted on my glare shield (slider canopy). They both get great reception. At first I thought they might be a distraction, but that fear was unfounded. I never notice them while flying. Godspeed, Phil Birkelbach RV-7 - 727WB www.myrv7.com On Jan 3, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Hopperdhh(at)aol.com wrote: > > > Dan, > > If you are saying that it gets hotter than that, I agree. There is > quite a bit of engine heat that accumulates behind the baffle from > the exhaust and oil sump. I also believe the curves -- without > engine heat. > > I have a very simple GPS antenna installation. The Garmin 295 is > mounted in the panel. A 6 inch length of RG-400 goes to a BNC > bulkhead connector on the glareshield (sliding canopy). The > portable antenna from the 295 then sits on the topside of the > connector. It has always gotten good reception. > > Dan Hopper > RV-7A > > > In a message dated 1/2/2007 11:32:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dan(at)rvproject.com writes: > I do have GPS and XM antennas under there (under the access > panels). It's just my primary panel mounted GPS antenna that's > under the cowl. The other antennas "seemed" more fragile in terms > of temperature tolerance, and I didn't want yet a few more firewall > penetrations. > > Under cowl temps can get quite hot when the plane is sitting after > a flight in the summertime. I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing... > > )_( Dan > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
From: "Rick Galati" <rick6a(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 03, 2007
robin1(at)mrmoisture.com wrote: > I have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under the cowl of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but cant seem to find it. Can anyone direct me to that image....My biggest concern is the Garmin GXM 30A antenna under the cowl with the heat. Garmin list price for replacing that antenna... $495.00 Sure hate to BBQ that unit. Comments/Suggestions? ..... When I planned my GPS antenna installation, I contacted Garmin about those concerns and was assured heat is not an issue. The major caution they advised was simply avoiding the application of metallic paint on the cowl directly above the antenna. If using a metallic paint, they suggested leaving a flat black or other non-metallic coating directly above and around the antenna's light of sight. With 200 operational hours, my installation has proved to be trouble free. Signal acquision is within moments of firing up. I have never lost a signal in flight or even on the ground for that matter. I have found it is usually best to simply contact the manufacturer with my technical concerns as opposed to wading through a lot of opinion on open forums. Do yourself a favor and contact Garmin for your own peace of mind. Enclosed is an attachment of the under-the-cowl shelf I fabricated from .032 stock for my GPS antenna. I played around with cardboard patterns until I had the design I wanted. http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4637/gps220bk2.jpg Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85211#85211 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: Outside Air Temp add on
Date: Jan 03, 2007
The VM1000C uses different sensors, etc as they wire directly to the dash display. The previous VM1000 wires to a DPU with a ribbon cable to the dash. This may make the upgrade cost prohibitive. Interestingly, the DPU has inputs spots on the connectors for OAT and CAT. I fail to understand why if there is no provision in the display for them. VMS has told me they do not have any stock for the separate gauges which match my VM1000. They will not have any for quite some time and cannot say when they will. I sent them a fairly direct e-mail requesting information on what may happen with VMS as I have invested in their product. If I can't buy more products and I can't get stuffed fixed or replaced, they are becoming a non vendor. I can't help but notice if you do a search on Chief Aircraft of Spruce you will no longer find Vision Microsystems product. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Beadle > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:10 AM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on > > > > The new VM1000C is just getting ready to ship. It has a ton of new > features. And it is field upgradable. > > You might consider an upgrade - the VM1000C fits in the same hole. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:29 AM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on > > > Hi all, > > I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would like > to > add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/ gauge system I > can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a probe to my VM1000 but > don't see anything on the web site. It is included in the newer VM1000C > but > looks like a separate gauge on the earlier one like mine. > > Thanks > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rockbottom(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: ER Tanks
Date: Jan 03, 2007
I've been trying to contact safeair1 for the past few months regarding extended range fuel tanks they offer for RV's, but have so far been unsucessful. Has anybody dealt with them, or does anyone know if they're still in business? Their web site is still up and running, and an answering machine is connected to their phone line, but I've not gotten any response from them. Thanks for any assistance. James Baker RV-8 Wings Kathy ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 03, 2007
From: scott bilinski <rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Speaking of expensive GPS antennas, there was an article in Kit Planes a wh ile back that had a roll your own antenna for about..........20 bucks? They had several different types and they worked just as well if not better tha n the expensive ones...........So if you do barbque the antenna find that a rticle and make one for cheap!=0A =0AScott Bilinski=0ARV-8a=0A=0A=0A----- O riginal Message ----=0AFrom: Rick Galati <rick6a(at)yahoo.com>=0ATo: rv-list@m atronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, January 3, 2007 10:19:35 AM=0ASubject: RV-L k Galati" =0A=0A=0Arobin1(at)mrmoisture.com wrote:=0A> I have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under the cowl of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but can=99t seem to find it. Can anyone direct me to that image....My biggest concern is the Garmin GXM 30A antenna under the cowl with the heat. Garmin list pri ce for replacing that antenna... $495.00 Sure hate to BBQ that unit. Commen ts/Suggestions? .....=0A=0A=0AWhen I planned my GPS antenna installation, I contacted Garmin about those concerns and was assured heat is not an issue . The major caution they advised was simply avoiding the application of met allic paint on the cowl directly above the antenna. If using a metallic pa int, they suggested leaving a flat black or other non-metallic coating dire ctly above and around the antenna's light of sight. With 200 operational ho urs, my installation has proved to be trouble free. Signal acquision is wi thin moments of firing up. I have never lost a signal in flight or even on the ground for that matter. =0A=0AI have found it is usually best to simp ly contact the manufacturer with my technical concerns as opposed to wading through a lot of opinion on open forums. Do yourself a favor and contact Garmin for your own peace of mind. Enclosed is an attachment of the under- the-cowl shelf I fabricated from .032 stock for my GPS antenna. I played a round with cardboard patterns until I had the design I wanted.=0A=0Ahttp:// img510.imageshack.us/img510/4637/gps220bk2.jpg=0A=0ARick Galati RV-6A "Da rla"=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronic ==================0A=0A__________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" <jfogarty(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: ER Tanks
Date: Jan 03, 2007
It's my understanding that they have been purchased by Wag-Aero, please try this number: 800-558-6868 Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: <rockbottom(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: RV-List: ER Tanks > > I've been trying to contact safeair1 for the past few months regarding > extended range fuel tanks they offer for RV's, but have so far been > unsucessful. Has anybody dealt with them, or does anyone know if they're > still in business? Their web site is still up and running, and an > answering machine is connected to their phone line, but I've not gotten > any response from them. Thanks for any assistance. > > James Baker > RV-8 Wings > > Kathy > > > -- > 2:58 PM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tracy Crook" <lors01(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Date: Jan 03, 2007
I've long since deleted the original message on this subject but it was my impression that the antenna in question was the Garmin GPS *XM* antenna which is a different animal than the actual GPS antenna. I could be wrong. BTW, I just installed my 496 and it only takes one flight while looking at the weather around you in real time to get hooked. I'd feel naked without it now. Why didn't the FAA just buy a satellite channel for weather instead of that silly, expensive, incomplete ground based system they decided on? Rhetorical question I guess. They love ground based systems for "turf reasons". Tracy Crook Rotary powered RV-4 & -8, 1600+ hrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: scott bilinski<mailto:rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:26 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl Speaking of expensive GPS antennas, there was an article in Kit Planes a while back that had a roll your own antenna for about..........20 bucks? They had several different types and they worked just as well if not better than the expensive ones...........So if you do barbque the antenna find that article and make one for cheap! Scott Bilinski RV-8a ----- Original Message ---- From: Rick Galati <rick6a(at)yahoo.com> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2007 10:19:35 AM Subject: RV-List: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl robin1(at)mrmoisture.com wrote: > I have seen a photo of several GPS antennas mounted on a plate under the cowl of an RV (sweet installation). I researched the archives but can=99t seem to find it. Can anyone direct me to that image....My biggest concern is the Garmin GXM 30A antenna under the cowl with the heat. Garmin list price for replacing that antenna... $495.00 Sure hate to BBQ that unit. Comments/Suggestions? ..... When I planned my GPS antenna installation, I contacted Garmin about those concerns and was assured heat is not an issue. The major caution they advised was simply avoiding the application of metallic paint on the cowl directly above the antenna. If using a metallic paint, they suggested leaving a flat black or other non-metallic coating directly above and around the antenna's light of sight. With 200 operational hours, my installation has proved to be trouble free. Signal acquision is within moments of firing up. I have never lost a signal in flight or even on the ground for that matter. I have found it is usually best to simply contact the manufacturer with my technical concerns as opposed to wading through a lot of opinion on open forums. Do yourself a favor and contact Garmin for your own peace of mind. Enclosed is an attachment of the under-the-cowl shelf I fabricated from .032 stock for my GPS antenna. I played around with cardboard patterns until I had the design I wanted. http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4637/gps220bk2.jpg shack.us/img510/4637/gps220bk2.jpg> Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85211#85211<= - The RV-Listronics.com/Navigator?RV-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Nav - Nonics.com/" == __________________________________ <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85211#85211>http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?RV-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 03, 2007
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: ER Tanks
Not true - just talked to them....try them again..... -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty <jfogarty(at)tds.net> >Sent: Jan 3, 2007 3:10 PM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: ER Tanks > > >It's my understanding that they have been purchased by Wag-Aero, please try >this number: > >800-558-6868 > >Jim >----- Original Message ----- >From: <rockbottom(at)bellsouth.net> >To: >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:42 PM >Subject: RV-List: ER Tanks > > >> >> I've been trying to contact safeair1 for the past few months regarding >> extended range fuel tanks they offer for RV's, but have so far been >> unsucessful. Has anybody dealt with them, or does anyone know if they're >> still in business? Their web site is still up and running, and an >> answering machine is connected to their phone line, but I've not gotten >> any response from them. Thanks for any assistance. >> >> James Baker >> RV-8 Wings >> >> Kathy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 2:58 PM >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 03, 2007
From: jim & terri truitt <jimteri1(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: GPS antenna under cowl
Not sure about the fragility of your chosen antenna, but I installed the factory antenna puck from my Bendix-King KMD-150 about 1 inch under the cowling, center mounted, just behind the baffels, on a supported aluminum plate. No problems in 334 hours and I have lost signal only once in a heavy overcast. The GPS locks on after startup in about 40 seconds. Don't even think about mounting it on top of the glare shield - you will get the reflection in the windshield. FWIW. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 03, 2007
From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)charter.net>
Subject: Holes under horizonal stab
Ok, I'm ready to drill and tap the holes for the strips under Horizonal stab, the one that close up the gap. It appears that I'm ging to have to remove the tail to be able to do this :-( Please tell me it is no so! How have you guys done this? -- ------ Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 03, 2007
From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)charter.net>
Subject: Insurance?
Hoping to need insurance soon. I'm thinking I'll just call NationAir. Anybody got their's recently with any input? -- ------ Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Holes under horizonal stab
Date: Jan 03, 2007
Make them the same way you made the strips that cover the gap between your wing and fuselage: Use an offset tracing tool to transfer the profile of the HS to the aluminum strips. Just tape the strips immediately below the HS, then measure the distance (call it "X") from the leading edge of the HS down to the aluminum strips. Make an aluminum spacer which will hold a sharpie X inches from whatever the spacer is touching. Use this combination up against the HS to transfer its shape to the aluminum strips. Pull the strips loose, trim to shape, and you're done. You may want to try it on a piece of cardboard first just to make sure your technique is good... By the way, there is no reason to drill and tap the holes for those strips. Why not just pop rivet the strips to the airframe. Simpler, faster, and there is no reason to ever remove the strips. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Hester" <bobbyhester(at)charter.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: RV-List: Holes under horizonal stab > > Ok, I'm ready to drill and tap the holes for the strips under Horizonal > stab, the one that close up the gap. It appears that I'm ging to have to > remove the tail to be able to do this :-( > Please tell me it is no so! How have you guys done this? > > -- > ------ > Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY > Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <jlfernan(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: F635 bellcrank
Date: Jan 03, 2007
I just installed the F-635 bellcrank, that one that's mounted mid-fuse. The instructions say there should be no side to side movement. My spacers fit snug and the washers are tight against the bearing, but if you hold the crank by the long portion, you get a small amount of movement in the bearing itself. I posted on Vansairforce.net, but only got one response. Ken Scott at Vans says it will "probably" be OK. I hate that word. Before I order any new parts, I want to make sure that my bearing is bad or not. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Jorge Fernandez ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle(at)inclinesoftworks.com>
Subject: Outside Air Temp add on
Date: Jan 03, 2007
The VM1000c is a major upgrade to the VM1000. Some of the improvements are: - Color LCD - Self Contained (No DPU) - higher quality sensors - Thermocouples throughout vs RTD's. - Expansion capabilities through EC100, voice, 90 MIPS CPU. The current unit is about the same size as the prior VM1000 display - about 2.5" deep and fits the same hole. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on The VM1000C uses different sensors, etc as they wire directly to the dash display. The previous VM1000 wires to a DPU with a ribbon cable to the dash. This may make the upgrade cost prohibitive. Interestingly, the DPU has inputs spots on the connectors for OAT and CAT. I fail to understand why if there is no provision in the display for them. VMS has told me they do not have any stock for the separate gauges which match my VM1000. They will not have any for quite some time and cannot say when they will. I sent them a fairly direct e-mail requesting information on what may happen with VMS as I have invested in their product. If I can't buy more products and I can't get stuffed fixed or replaced, they are becoming a non vendor. I can't help but notice if you do a search on Chief Aircraft of Spruce you will no longer find Vision Microsystems product. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Beadle > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:10 AM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on > > > > The new VM1000C is just getting ready to ship. It has a ton of new > features. And it is field upgradable. > > You might consider an upgrade - the VM1000C fits in the same hole. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:29 AM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Outside Air Temp add on > > > Hi all, > > I have a VM1000 in my RV-6 but do not have any OAT or CAT. I would > like to add at least the OAT to my plane. Is there a simple probe/ > gauge system I can get anybody knows of? I thought I could add a > probe to my VM1000 but don't see anything on the web site. It is > included in the newer VM1000C but looks like a separate gauge on the > earlier one like mine. > > Thanks > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle(at)inclinesoftworks.com>
Subject: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ?
Date: Jan 03, 2007
We went with IO390 forward battery. But we are using ACI light prop and we have an aux battery aft. We also put a 33' O2 tank aft. That works out for great balance for us. In general, if only one battery and IO360, you pretty much have to aft mount. A friend put his in the forward baggage area, but he is still pushing forward CG. Adding more weight (aux battery, O2) give more freedom. We wanted the battery front to reduce cable weight and voltage drop durning cranking. It is also much easier to service. Our 7 AH emergency battery is probably going aft, but may be under pilot seat. _____ From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: RV-List: -8 Battery Location . where too put it ? I'm up to the Battery box, and have noticed quite a few people mounting it aft of the firewall, looks clean and helps with CG but stock looks good too. ?? U plan on (still lookin but leaning twords) an IO 360 180hp CS, I'm only 170lbs Ideas? picture? Thanks, Dan -8 Fuselage Lake Stevens, WA N928RV reserved ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Fw: RV3 for sale
Date: Jan 03, 2007
History: I'm selling my RV3 (4th project todate). Retirement is hell so I need another RV building project. I have $52,000 plus and 6700 hrs invested. I'll list a few features, contact me for pictures and more features: Prop: Catto 3 blade w prop guard. Dynamic balance check of prop on engine w computerised system showed no improvement possible. Engine: Aerosport Power I0320, new crank, dual elect ign., millinium cyl's., 40 hrs TSMO. Cockpit: FULL leather, 3 density temperfoam seat, 5 pt. seat belts w rotary latch. Avionics/Inst's: Skymap GPS, Ball, G-meter, GRT EIS, Digitrak AP, RMtn encoder Microair transponder and receiver, AOA. Electrical: Bob Nuchols designed system for dual batterys and dual elec. ign. Other: Many other features that make this a great airplane. Contact: Rick Fogerson at 208-853-0436 or rickf(at)cableone.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
Subject: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Date: Jan 04, 2007
Dan, Thanks for pointing us to the McMaster single use temperature systems. I am impressed by the choices ' they can be a great help in establishing peak temperatures in various locations under varying conditions. Michele RV8 - Finishing _____ From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway Sent: mercredi 3 janvier 2007 16:35 Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl Interesting. Still call me a skeptic, but I agree about measuring it. I'll get some nonreversible temperature strips from McMaster and see what it hits. http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=519 (middle of that page) )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: John Huft <mailto:rv8(at)lazy8.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:19 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl Dan Checkoway wrote: I don't buy the 35F over ambient thing... )_( Dan Before you say something like that Dan, you should try actually measuring it. I have, and got similar results to Tracy's. John ----- Original Message ----- From: David Leonard <mailto:wdleonard(at)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl Dan, I thought your GPS antennas were under the fore-deck under fiberglass. I liked the idea so much I also cut a hole in my for-deck, and covered it with fiberglass. I plan to mount all my satellite antennas under there. Dave Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY My websites at: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com On 1/2/07, Dan Checkoway wrote: With a tip-up canopy, you could mount the GPS antenna on a little shelf sticking out beside the cabin frame support channel. Or, if you're slick, you could cut a little "window" in the top of the support channel and install the antenna IN the channel. All that said, my main GPS antenna is under the cowl. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (1166 hours) www.rvproject.com <http://www.rvproject.com/> / www.weathermeister.com <http://www.weathermeister.com/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry <mailto:garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl How do you get a clear view of the satellites if your antenna is in the baggage bay under a metal skin? Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks <mailto:robin1(at)mrmoisture.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS Antenna Under Cowl As sweet as the cowl install was going to be I opted for placing the antenna in the baggage area after considering the potential of having to replace a $500 antenna plus the time to re-rout to a new location. I spoke with Garmin this morning and their operating range for GXM 30A antenna is -40 to +185 F. It seems like we can get close to +185F under the cowl or in a closed Tip Up in Texas/Arizona. Heck, sometimes it feels like 185 F in the shade in Texas. I have a feeling that the standard tear drop Garmin GPS antenna may be more heat resistant than the GXM 30A. Thanks for the suggestions & photos. Robin href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com "> <http://forums.matronics.com/> http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com "> <http://forums.matronics.com/> http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com -- href= "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Nav iga tor?RV-List href= "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/N avigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Sears" <jmsears(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: GPS antenna under cowl
Date: Jan 04, 2007
> Don't even think about mounting it on top of the > glare shield - you will get the reflection in the > windshield. FWIW. When I built Scooter, the norm was to install the antenna on the glare shield, or on the fuse somewhere. My instructions said to not paint the antenna; but, some did and found that the antenna still worked just fine. Mine is still white and has not been a problem on the glare shield, at all. In fact, I plan on installing the GPS antenna in the same location on my new one. It works for me, even if some find it annoying. I'd be somewhat concerned about having it under the cowl with all that heat; but, I guess it's a strong little critter. I noticed some of you haves several hundred hours on your installations with no problems. Jim Sears in KY RV-6A N198JS (Scooter) EAA Tech Counselor ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: GPS antenna under cowl
Date: Jan 04, 2007
From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mike.stewart(at)us.ibm.com>
Don't even think about mounting it on top of the glare shield - you will get the reflection in the windshield. FWIW. I disagree here. I have 4 of the small black hockey puck gps/xm antennas up on my glare shield. No reflection what so ever. I would paint any antennae black and stick it there. Easy to wire and service. I did have slight signal degradation with several gps antennas right next to each other affecting only my 430. So I put the white garmin antennae under the cowl, aft of the rear baffle, mounted to the engine mount and it has worked fine there for 200 hours. I had the same location on my 6 under the cowl for 1500 hours. Best, Mike ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Gray" <rickgray(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: Holes under horizonal stab
Date: Jan 04, 2007
I think Bobby wanted to know how to drill and tap the holes.....not make the strips?? Yo' Bobby :^). I've tried 2 methods and they both work fine. 1-use a close fitting 90 angle drill - if you don't have one you can go over to Sears or Harbor Freight and pick up a little 'snake' drill extension. The extensions are about 9" to 12" long.....I use them a LOT during the building process....you can literally drill around corners with these babies....and they only cost about $10. 2-If you don't have the above then use your 'long' aviation bits. Just 'flex' the bit....you'll be able to keep the drill away from the HS stab and hold the cutting end of the bit where you need it. Problem here is you may not have one that is 7/64's tapping size for the #6 screws you'll want to use here. Not really a big problem....you'll find that you can STILL tap the holes OK even when drilled with the 3/32" 'long' aviation bit. When you go to tap the holes you'll have to go slow as you won't be able to rotate the tap 360deg. Just pull up a chair and take your time. All said and done it will still be WAY easier than removing your stab. Good Luck, Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/ for the archives ----- Original Message ----- From: Kyle Boatright To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Holes under horizonal stab Make them the same way you made the strips that cover the gap between your wing and fuselage: Use an offset tracing tool to transfer the profile of the HS to the aluminum strips. Just tape the strips immediately below the HS, then measure the distance (call it "X") from the leading edge of the HS down to the aluminum strips. Make an aluminum spacer which will hold a sharpie X inches from whatever the spacer is touching. Use this combination up against the HS to transfer its shape to the aluminum strips. Pull the strips loose, trim to shape, and you're done. You may want to try it on a piece of cardboard first just to make sure your technique is good... By the way, there is no reason to drill and tap the holes for those strips. Why not just pop rivet the strips to the airframe. Simpler, faster, and there is no reason to ever remove the strips. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Hester" <bobbyhester(at)charter.net> To: "RV-List" Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: RV-List: Holes under horizonal stab > > Ok, I'm ready to drill and tap the holes for the strips under Horizonal > stab, the one that close up the gap. It appears that I'm ging to have to > remove the tail to be able to do this :-( > Please tell me it is no so! How have you guys done this? > > -- > ------ > Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY > Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
Subject: GPS antenna under cowl
Date: Jan 04, 2007
What about putting the antenna on the cockpit side of the firewall just under a fibreglass covered cut-out which could be made into a trap? The only problem I have with up front in the engine compartment is that I'd have to plan for one more firewall pass through. I hate firewall pass throughs since I plan to make each one as fireproof as possible. Michele RV8 - Finishing -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) Sent: jeudi 4 janvier 2007 12:45 Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl Don't even think about mounting it on top of the glare shield - you will get the reflection in the windshield. FWIW. I disagree here. I have 4 of the small black hockey puck gps/xm antennas up on my glare shield. No reflection what so ever. I would paint any antennae black and stick it there. Easy to wire and service. I did have slight signal degradation with several gps antennas right next to each other affecting only my 430. So I put the white garmin antennae under the cowl, aft of the rear baffle, mounted to the engine mount and it has worked fine there for 200 hours. I had the same location on my 6 under the cowl for 1500 hours. Best, Mike ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 04, 2007
From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: GPS antenna under cowl
My 296 GPS antenna is on the glare shield and I do not notice it is there. Of course my glare shield is painted black and my GPS antenna is black. Jerry Jim Sears wrote: > >> Don't even think about mounting it on top of the >> glare shield - you will get the reflection in the >> windshield. FWIW. > > > When I built Scooter, the norm was to install the antenna on the glare > shield, or on the fuse somewhere. My instructions said to not paint > the antenna; but, some did and found that the antenna still worked > just fine. Mine is still white and has not been a problem on the glare > shield, at all. In fact, I plan on installing the GPS antenna in the > same location on my new one. It works for me, even if some find it > annoying. > > I'd be somewhat concerned about having it under the cowl with all that > heat; but, I guess it's a strong little critter. I noticed some of > you haves several hundred hours on your installations with no problems. > > Jim Sears in KY > RV-6A N198JS (Scooter) > EAA Tech Counselor > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: GPS antenna under cowl
Date: Jan 04, 2007
Michele: Do you mean link this as was done with an RV-7? : http://www.rvproject.com/hidden_antennas.html Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,973 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA ----Original Message Follows---- From: Michle Delsol <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr> Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:24:45 +0100 What about putting the antenna on the cockpit side of the firewall just under a fibreglass covered cut-out which could be made into a trap? The only problem I have with up front in the engine compartment is that I'd have to plan for one more firewall pass through. I hate firewall pass throughs since I plan to make each one as fireproof as possible. Michele RV8 - Finishing -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) Sent: jeudi 4 janvier 2007 12:45 Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl Don't even think about mounting it on top of the glare shield - you will get the reflection in the windshield. FWIW. I disagree here. I have 4 of the small black hockey puck gps/xm antennas up on my glare shield. No reflection what so ever. I would paint any antennae black and stick it there. Easy to wire and service. I did have slight signal degradation with several gps antennas right next to each other affecting only my 430. So I put the white garmin antennae under the cowl, aft of the rear baffle, mounted to the engine mount and it has worked fine there for 200 hours. I had the same location on my 6 under the cowl for 1500 hours. Best, Mike _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
Subject: GPS antenna under cowl
Date: Jan 04, 2007
Yeah - that's the idea. Except that on an 8 half the front top skin is a door into the forward baggage compartment. I plan to put the GPS antenna under the other half and the brake fuel reservoir against the left side (right side being the forward baggage well). The cut-out for the GPS antenna should be rather large in order to minimize blanking. I figure that a 20 mask is something that one can live with which means that the antenna would have a 140 window instead of the 180 if it were to lay flat on the glare shield. Since the GPS is looking at satellites only, no ground stations, I would guess that this should be OK. Michele RV8 - Finishing -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer Sent: jeudi 4 janvier 2007 15:42 Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl Michele: Do you mean link this as was done with an RV-7? : http://www.rvproject.com/hidden_antennas.html Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,973 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA ----Original Message Follows---- From: Michle Delsol <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr> Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:24:45 +0100 What about putting the antenna on the cockpit side of the firewall just under a fibreglass covered cut-out which could be made into a trap? The only problem I have with up front in the engine compartment is that I'd have to plan for one more firewall pass through. I hate firewall pass throughs since I plan to make each one as fireproof as possible. Michele RV8 - Finishing -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta) Sent: jeudi 4 janvier 2007 12:45 Subject: RE: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl Don't even think about mounting it on top of the glare shield - you will get the reflection in the windshield. FWIW. I disagree here. I have 4 of the small black hockey puck gps/xm antennas up on my glare shield. No reflection what so ever. I would paint any antennae black and stick it there. Easy to wire and service. I did have slight signal degradation with several gps antennas right next to each other affecting only my 430. So I put the white garmin antennae under the cowl, aft of the rear baffle, mounted to the engine mount and it has worked fine there for 200 hours. I had the same location on my 6 under the cowl for 1500 hours. Best, Mike _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl now heat chart
Date: Jan 04, 2007
Since I live in probably the hottest climate in the US I feel I have a little experience is this area. Let me relate a couple of things. One, in my law enforcement career I had the unfortunate opportunity to supervise the investigation of the death of a child that was accidentally left in a car in the summer time. In one case, we simulated the conditions the next day, same time, OAT was within a degree, humitidy level the same. The OAT was 112 degrees. The temperature inside the Chevy Tahoe was 166 degrees. I guess temps above this are possible but not to likely. Vehicle type, color, roof type are all variables. I believe the Sun itself is far more detrimental to the equipment than the heat. UV rays are present regardless of the temperature. In the Sun a Chrome finish can be hot to the touch in 70 degree heat. So, you mount your GPS antenna under the bubble somewhere, exposed to the sky, it is still getting the UV rays and the components are getting heat from the sun and collecting that heat. Armed with this knowledge, I mounted my GPS and XM antennas on a plate just in front of the firewall and near the top of the cowl. Here, they never get direct sunlight and have constant air movement when the plane is in motion. When parked at an airshow or fly in I usually keep oil door unlatched for a few minutes after shutdown. Also when flying at altitude the air in the cowl is not very hot. Meanwhile the bubble mounted antenna has the Sun on it. Unofficially, I spoke to a person who works in the customer support area of a large Avionics company. He said the under the cowl is probably one of the safest places to mount the antenna. There is it protected from the sun and moisture. He said it should never be mounted in the open as the moisture is the biggest killer of GPS antennas. DArwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ RV7 N717EE ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 04, 2007
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Under Cowl
Kind of makes the fiberglass window in my carbon fiber cowl seem very worthwhile. 2 GPS antenna's mounted forward of the firewall just under the cowl "window" in my "yet to be completed" modified RV-4. 1 GPS antenna mounted forward of the firewall in my RV-6A. 1 year and 100 hrs. 1 GPS antenna mounted forward of the firewall in my RV-3. 15+ years and 650 hours. I seem to have established a pattern of placing the GPS antenna in the cool section of the cowl. Regards, Jim Ayers BTW, Just as a sensory reference, the temperature that can raise a blister on most people (touch temperature) is 140 degrees F. In a message dated 01/04/2007 7:56:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, ktlkrn(at)cox.net writes: Since I live in probably the hottest climate in the US I feel I have a little experience is this area. Let me relate a couple of things. One, in my law enforcement career I had the unfortunate opportunity to supervise the investigation of the death of a child that was accidentally left in a car in the summer time. In one case, we simulated the conditions the next day, same time, OAT was within a degree, humitidy level the same. The OAT was 112 degrees. The temperature inside the Chevy Tahoe was 166 degrees. I guess temps above this are possible but not to likely. Vehicle type, color, roof type are all variables. I believe the Sun itself is far more detrimental to the equipment than the heat. UV rays are present regardless of the temperature. In the Sun a Chrome finish can be hot to the touch in 70 degree heat. So, you mount your GPS antenna under the bubble somewhere, exposed to the sky, it is still getting the UV rays and the components are getting heat from the sun and collecting that heat. Armed with this knowledge, I mounted my GPS and XM antennas on a plate just in front of the firewall and near the top of the cowl. Here, they never get direct sunlight and have constant air movement when the plane is in motion. When parked at an airshow or fly in I usually keep oil door unlatched for a few minutes after shutdown. Also when flying at altitude the air in the cowl is not very hot. Meanwhile the bubble mounted antenna has the Sun on it. Unofficially, I spoke to a person who works in the customer support area of a large Avionics company. He said the under the cowl is probably one of the safest places to mount the antenna. There is it protected from the sun and moisture. He said it should never be mounted in the open as the moisture is the biggest killer of GPS antennas. DArwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ RV7 N717EE ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Embry-Riddle salvage parts?
Date: Jan 04, 2007
From: "Lawson, Michael" <mikel(at)ssd.fsi.com>
With all the unfortunate destruction in Daytona Beach, I wonder if any engines or avionics will come up for salvage. I wrote to ERAU's maintenance manager regarding their ADS-B equipment (GDL-90's and MX-20's); but they replied it's all being removed from the wrecked aircraft and kept by the school. He did not mention who the insurance carrier or salvage company is. Does anyone know who is going to be handling the aircraft salvage from Embry-Riddle? Mike Lawson RV-8A 81825 Beginning Fuselage (for 3 years now... ugh...) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 04, 2007
Subject: Re: GPS antenna under cowl
From: martin333(at)athenet.net
> Jim I have one of my GPS antennae mounted as below, however when I first installed it I did not realize that the metal fleck paint on my cowl would impede the reception. The fix was to sand off a 3" x 3" space above the antenna mount and repaint it with a grey paint without metal fleck in it. No trouble since, 1400 hours . Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one > Not sure about the fragility of your chosen antenna, but I installed the > factory antenna puck from my Bendix-King KMD-150 about 1 inch under the > cowling, center mounted, just behind the baffels, on a supported aluminum > plate. No problems in 334 hours and I have lost signal only once in a > heavy overcast. The GPS locks on after startup in about 40 seconds. > Don't even think about mounting it on top of the glare shield - you will > get the reflection in the windshield. FWIW. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Insurance?
Date: Jan 04, 2007
From: joelrhaynes(at)aol.com
Bobby, I hooked up with Nationair for my builder's risk and then converted to a full in-flight policy last June that included transport to the hangar and first flight coverage. Nationair was very responsive and helped me understand what the different underwriters were offering. I ended up paying $1500 for a 1 year policy with Global Aerospace for a 500 hour IFR pilot with only 4 hours in type (6A checkout with Mike Seager in Oregon). Next year's premium should be lower with much more time in type. Contact me off-line if you have any more questions. Joel Haynes, Bozeman, MT (formerly Lexington, Louisville, and Bowling Green) 7A N557XW 70 hours From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)charter.net> Subject: RV-List: Insurance? Hoping to need insurance soon. I'm thinking I'll just call NationAir. Anybody got their's recently with any input? -- ------ Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Firewall Pass Through
Date: Jan 04, 2007
In looking around the shop when I was first starting to lay out the wiring, I ran a couple ideas by the ol brainwaves on how to pass the wiring through one hole and keep it clean. Well I had an extra eyeball lying around. The ol brainwaves actually lit the fire this time. I simply removed the movable eye and had a ready made fitting. I'll firesleeve when I wrap everything up. See the pic., thought it might help. http://rvflying.tripod.com/passthrough.jpg __________________ Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7, "Black Magic" http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com O-360 A1A C/S _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming(at)sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: F635 bellcrank
Date: Jan 04, 2007
To determine if the problem is in the bearing, you can remove the assembly and feel the bearing with you fingers and it will wobble around. It should only turn. No wobble. The bearing structure should be solidly riveted to the metal sides that it connects to. If the rivets are good and the bearing still wobbles, you need a new bearing. Larry in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: <jlfernan(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: RV-List: F635 bellcrank > > I just installed the F-635 bellcrank, > > that one that's mounted mid-fuse. The instructions say there should > > be no side to side movement. My spacers fit snug and the washers are > > tight against the bearing, but if you hold the crank by the long > > portion, you get a small amount of movement in the bearing itself. > > I posted on Vansairforce.net, but only > > got one response. Ken Scott at Vans says it will "probably" be OK. I > > hate that word. Before I order any new parts, I want to make sure > > that my bearing is bad or not. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > > Jorge Fernandez > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 04, 2007
From: Austin <limatango(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Stopped kits
Listers, Does anyone near the West Coast have a kit they want to unload ? I have a friend who would like an RV4,6, or 7 or 8 . Please reply off list if you have such a kit, or know of one available. Many thanks, Austin, Calgary ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 04, 2007
From: Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com>
Subject: Re: F635 bellcrank
This was a concern of mine also. I have about 3/32" side movement at the end of the long bellcrank arm. I checked on all of my "reference" construction sites and most of them had the same small amount of play and in most cases had a similar statement from Van's that it was probably alright. I have declared mine to be within my tolerances at 3/32" and just today was able to move the elevator, for the first time, from the bellcrank. I did find a potential problem with the push rod though. I had used the shorter of the two lengths of rod end bearings for my push rod ends. I was very concerned about the few threads that were in the end cap and was going to safety wire the lock nut. Then I realized that I had used the shorter rod end bearings. After changing to the longer ones all is well. Easily 2/3 of the threaded portion is is the end cap so they can't un-screw themselves. Steve Eberhart http://www.newtech.com/n14se/P1010326.JPG LarryRobertHelming wrote: > > > To determine if the problem is in the bearing, you can remove the > assembly and feel the bearing with you fingers and it will wobble > around. It should only turn. No wobble. The bearing structure > should be solidly riveted to the metal sides that it connects to. If > the rivets are good and the bearing still wobbles, you need a new > bearing. Larry in Indiana > ----- Original Message ----- From: <jlfernan(at)bellsouth.net> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:01 PM > Subject: RV-List: F635 bellcrank > > >> >> I just installed the F-635 bellcrank, >> >> that one that's mounted mid-fuse. The instructions say there should >> >> be no side to side movement. My spacers fit snug and the washers are >> >> tight against the bearing, but if you hold the crank by the long >> >> portion, you get a small amount of movement in the bearing itself. >> >> I posted on Vansairforce.net, but only >> >> got one response. Ken Scott at Vans says it will "probably" be OK. I >> >> hate that word. Before I order any new parts, I want to make sure >> >> that my bearing is bad or not. Any help will be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> Jorge Fernandez ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Holes under horizonal stab
Date: Jan 04, 2007
On 4 Jan 2007, at 07:18, Rick Gray wrote: > I think Bobby wanted to know how to drill and tap the holes.....not > make the strips?? To tap the holes, I used a cylindrical tap holder that has a sliding extension arm to turn it. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing
Date: Jan 04, 2007
The requirement is in FAR 91. I am sorry but I don't have my regs with me at the moment and cann't quote exact paragraph. Basically you need to get the transponder and encoder checked every two years for any type of flying. You only need to get a pitot/staic check done if you fly IFR or if the pi tot/static system has been broken open for any reason. Mike Robertson Das Fed > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:13:44 -0500> From: rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testi t>> > Listers,> > Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the periodic > testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, transponder and e ncoder?> All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm now approach ing > the two year point and would like to find the details of what tests m ust > be done before the end of the two years.> Thanks in advance.> > Richa ====================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: F635 bellcrank
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jan 04, 2007
I don't recall seeing the side-to-side play notation in the instructions. What page was that on? -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV Builder's Hotline (free!) http://rvhotline.expercraft.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85556#85556 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: F635 bellcrank
From: "jlfernan" <jlfernan(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jan 04, 2007
The instructions start at the bottom of 8-10 and finish with "...with no side to side play". top of page 8-11. -------- Jorge Fernandez N214JL Reserved 9A QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85578#85578 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: F635 bellcrank
Date: Jan 05, 2007
I would read that to mean that there should not be any lateral movement on the bearing shaft. I don't think the movement at the tip of the bell crank is anything to be concerned about unless it is excessive to the point of binding the rod bearing. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9 N658RP Reserved If nothing changes Nothing changes -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of jlfernan Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:28 AM Subject: RV-List: Re: F635 bellcrank The instructions start at the bottom of 8-10 and finish with "...with no side to side play". top of page 8-11. -------- Jorge Fernandez N214JL Reserved 9A QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85578#85578 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2007
From: Richard Dudley <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pitot Static and Transponder Checks
Thanks to all who responded to my request for FAR references to pitot static and transponder checks. Richard Dudley ________________________________________________________________________________
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
Subject: Re: Holes under horizonal stab
Date: Jan 05, 2007
I am intrigued - what holes Ander the RV8 HS need tapping?? Michele RV8 - Finishing -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton Sent: vendredi 5 janvier 2007 03:07 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: RV-List: Holes under horizonal stab On 4 Jan 2007, at 07:18, Rick Gray wrote: > I think Bobby wanted to know how to drill and tap the holes.....not > make the strips?? To tap the holes, I used a cylindrical tap holder that has a sliding extension arm to turn it. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2(at)starband.net>
Subject: RE: Building question
Date: Jan 05, 2007
Hi Jorge, Well, I guess you did get some other answers by now, but I checked it out for you last night. I have no side-to-side play, but there is a small amount of axial (rotational inboard/outboard) play in it. Without going to all the trouble of hard-mounting a dial indicator and getting an exact reading, I was able to hold a dial indicator against the vertical frame piece there and measure the axial play. I measured approximately 0.020-0.025 at the end of the bellcrank while it was in a vertical position. Here is a pic of how I measured it. IMHO< that small amount of axial (not side-to-side) play is normal and not ot worry about. It translates to a small fraction of that at the bearing, and woul dbe just normal bearing clearance, IMHO. This is a pic of the setup, to help you picture what Im talking about: -----Original Message----- From: Fernandez, Jorge L. (MDPD) [mailto:jlfernandez(at)mdpd.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:00 PM Subject: Building question Plane's looking great, which I were that far along. I was wondering if you could do me a favor. I just installed the F-635 bellcrank, that one that's mounted mid-fuse. The instructions say there should be no side to side movement. My spacers fit snug and the washers are tight against the bearing, but if you hold the crank by the long portion, you get a small amount of movement in the bearing itself. The next time you're working on your plane, could you check yours to see if it's the same as mine. I posted on Vansairforce.net, but only got one response. Ken Scott at Vans says it will "probably" be OK. I hate that word. Before I order any new parts, I want to make sure that my bearing is bad or not. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Jorge Fernandez 305-934-3418 -- 1:34 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2(at)starband.net>
Subject: RE: Building question
Date: Jan 05, 2007
BTW, the pushrod you see going aft is my BMA Autopilot elevator servo control rod. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Meyette [mailto:brianpublic2(at)starband.net] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:13 AM Cc: rv-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Building question Hi Jorge, Well, I guess you did get some other answers by now, but I checked it out for you last night. I have no side-to-side play, but there is a small amount of axial (rotational inboard/outboard) play in it. Without going to all the trouble of hard-mounting a dial indicator and getting an exact reading, I was able to hold a dial indicator against the vertical frame piece there and measure the axial play. I measured approximately 0.020-0.025 at the end of the bellcrank while it was in a vertical position. Here is a pic of how I measured it. IMHO< that small amount of axial (not side-to-side) play is normal and not ot worry about. It translates to a small fraction of that at the bearing, and woul dbe just normal bearing clearance, IMHO. This is a pic of the setup, to help you picture what Im talking about: -----Original Message----- From: Fernandez, Jorge L. (MDPD) [mailto:jlfernandez(at)mdpd.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:00 PM Subject: Building question Plane's looking great, which I were that far along. I was wondering if you could do me a favor. I just installed the F-635 bellcrank, that one that's mounted mid-fuse. The instructions say there should be no side to side movement. My spacers fit snug and the washers are tight against the bearing, but if you hold the crank by the long portion, you get a small amount of movement in the bearing itself. The next time you're working on your plane, could you check yours to see if it's the same as mine. I posted on Vansairforce.net, but only got one response. Ken Scott at Vans says it will "probably" be OK. I hate that word. Before I order any new parts, I want to make sure that my bearing is bad or not. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Jorge Fernandez 305-934-3418 -- 1:34 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Holes under horizonal stab
Date: Jan 05, 2007
These are the holes for the screws that attach the lower empennage fairing. The screws go into the upper longeron. Kevin Horton On 5 Jan 2007, at 08:47, Michle Delsol wrote: > > > I am intrigued - what holes Ander the RV8 HS need tapping?? > > Michele > RV8 - Finishing > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton > Sent: vendredi 5 janvier 2007 03:07 > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: RV-List: Holes under horizonal stab > > > On 4 Jan 2007, at 07:18, Rick Gray wrote: > >> I think Bobby wanted to know how to drill and tap the holes.....not >> make the strips?? > > To tap the holes, I used a cylindrical tap holder that has a sliding > extension arm to turn it. > > Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) > Ottawa, Canada > http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wheeler North <wnorth(at)sdccd.edu>
Subject: antenna
Date: Jan 05, 2007
I glued some dark cloth (I used green because it I had it and it went with the interior scheme, I would use black next time as it does glare a little at certain angles) on my glare shield and at the last minute sewed some pockets onto it for pencils, glasses and charts. It was an epiphany that works very well and ended up getting two GPS pucks stuck into the bottom (fwd end) of the pockets. The GPS pucks are lower than the fwd canopy retention strip so no effect on fwd view. Reception is always less than a minute and never gets lost even when doing a loop/roll. W ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: Aircraft Logbook requirements
Date: Jan 05, 2007
For comparison sake, what have other RV-6 owners determined for Vso, Vx, and Vy? Tim RV-6 57 hours flying > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:00 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Aircraft Logbook requirements > > > I know of no requirement to log every test flight in the aircraft records. > If you find a requirement, please post it here or email me off list. > > You do need to make an entry following the completion of Phase I in the > aircraft records. Check your operating limitations for wording. It should > say something like: > > "I certify that the prescribed flight test hours have been completed and > the > aircraft is controllable throughout its normal range of speeds and > throughout all maneuvers to be executed, has no hazardous operating > characteristics or design features, and is safe for operation. The > following > aircraft operating data has been demonstrated during the flight testing: > speeds Vso ______, Vx ______, and Vy ______, and the weight ______ and CG > location ______ at which they were obtained." > > The above verbiage is from FAA Order 8130.2F Change 2. > http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgOrders.nsf/0/1 > 8b1d64bc8f90136862571d40072d8e1/$FILE/Order%208130F%20with%20chg%202%20inc > orporated.pdf > > Repairman Certificate: > Phone your FSDO and make an appointment. > EAA says to apply at time of certification. As a DAR that works out of a > MIDO, I cannot accept the application. > http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/faq/How%20to%20get%20Your%20Repai > rman%20Certificate.html > > See AC65-23A for what the FAA wants. > http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircul > ar.nsf/0/a61550959e374561862569ba0052b860/$FILE/AC65-23A.pdf > > You need to complete FAA Form 8610-2. > http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8610-2.pdf > > You will take the completed 8610-2 to your FSDO appointment along with > what > ever other documents that the ASI desires to see. Expect to take > aircraft > builder's log, 8130.7, and Operating Limitations. (Take copies of the > 8130-7 and Operating Limitations.) > > I recommend getting the repairman certificate out of the way BEFORE you > change registration. Could muddy the waters. > > Sorry I cannot help you with Texas tax info as I am in the Peoples > Republic > of California, the land of taxes. > > > Gary A. Sobek > "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, > 1,973 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA > http://www.rvdar.com > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> > Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > To: > Subject: RV-List: Aircraft Logbook requirements > Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:33:19 -0600 > > > > I have completed my phase I test flight time and need to make a note in > the > aircraft logbook. Someone told me I am supposed to log every flight in > there as well. Is that so? I logged all my test flights in a separate > notebook, but not in the Ac logbook. What are the requirements? > > Also on a second question: How do I get my repairmen certificate for my > RV? > I am the builder and the current owner, but planning to transfer title to > a > corp. I need to make sure I can get the repairmen cert for it. > > By the way, if anybody in Texas has details of the tax situation here, > please contact me off list. Thanks > > Thanks for any help as always > Tim Bryan > Frankston, Texas > > _________________________________________________________________ > The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. > http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/ > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf(at)gerf.com>
Date: Jan 05, 2007
Subject: Flap actuator rod end bearings
N696WG(RV-9, Aerosport IO-320) got its Special Airworthyness Certificate thismorning. One thing that came up was that the DAR didn't like the typeof rod-end bearing that attaches the flap pushrod to the inboard rib ofthe flap. He complained that this type of rod end doesn't have a boltand wide area washer to retain the bearing in place in the event of afailure (from the plans this is a CM-4MS rod end bearing). If thebearing fails it can slip off the end and loose your flap into thewind. Obvious potential for an immediate role and catastrophe. Have folks changed out these rod end bearings for alternates ? And if so what have you changed them for ? g ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Flap actuator rod end bearings
Date: Jan 05, 2007
Check the archives. Several posts address this issue. Here's one quote from Gary Vanremortel: >I did replace the aluminum links per plans with 4130 steel tubing based on >a >comment made by Tom Green. I also used a normal (non-studded) rod end >bearing (same as the top one) on the lower end of the link, a real AN4 bolt >and a steel spacer (was a 1/4" ID drill bushing) in lieu of the studded >bearing which the manufacturer does not load rate. I also used a large OD >capture washer on the inboard side of the bearing in case the race breaks >formation with the rest of the bird. This to avoid the dreaded split flap >condition. >-Gary VanRemortel >vanremog(at)aol.com KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf(at)gerf.com> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: RV-List: Flap actuator rod end bearings > > N696WG(RV-9, Aerosport IO-320) got its Special Airworthyness Certificate > thismorning. One thing that came up was that the DAR didn't like the > typeof rod-end bearing that attaches the flap pushrod to the inboard rib > ofthe flap. He complained that this type of rod end doesn't have a boltand > wide area washer to retain the bearing in place in the event of afailure > (from the plans this is a CM-4MS rod end bearing). If thebearing fails it > can slip off the end and loose your flap into thewind. Obvious potential > for an immediate role and catastrophe. > > Have folks changed out these rod end bearings for alternates ? And if so > what have you changed them for ? > > g > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2007
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Flap actuator rod end bearings
I'm interested in this myself for the same reason your DAR was.... These are standard with all of Vans kits that I know of. I haven't heard of anyone swapping them out and your DAR is the first I've heard of that didn't like them - although now hearing his story, I'm inclined to be concerned myself. I have heard of one of the links that this bearing is attached to failing, the associated landing was uneventful - I don't know when in the sequence it failed. I would think if it failed in flight with the flaps retracted, aerodynamic pressure would keep the failed one up and you would get asymetric (sp) deployment when you attempt to lower the flaps which you should recognize easily. I would also think that there would be too much pressure on it to fail in this manner if the flaps were already deployed. My (probably not even) .02 worth Ralph Capen -----Original Message----- >From: Gerry Filby <gerf(at)gerf.com> >Sent: Jan 5, 2007 4:31 PM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Flap actuator rod end bearings > > >N696WG(RV-9, Aerosport IO-320) got its Special Airworthyness Certificate thismorning. One thing that came up was that the DAR didn't like the typeof rod-end bearing that attaches the flap pushrod to the inboard rib ofthe flap. He complained that this type of rod end doesn't have a boltand wide area washer to retain the bearing in place in the event of afailure (from the plans this is a CM-4MS rod end bearing). If thebearing fails it can slip off the end and loose your flap into thewind. Obvious potential for an immediate role and catastrophe. > >Have folks changed out these rod end bearings for alternates ? And if so what have you changed them for ? > >g > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net (Bob Collins)
Subject: Re: Flap actuator rod end bearings
Date: Jan 05, 2007
I think your DAR is very wise. There are several areas on my plane where I've added washers around the rod-end bearing to prevent failure. One of the ones I see people going "unwashered" quite often is the TruTrak servo arm. I really think large washers should be added on either side of those as well. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> >> >N696WG(RV-9, Aerosport IO-320) got its Special Airworthyness Certificate > thismorning. One thing that came up was that the DAR didn't like the typeof > rod-end bearing that attaches the flap pushrod to the inboard rib ofthe flap. He > complained that this type of rod end doesn't have a boltand wide area washer to > retain the bearing in place in the event of afailure (from the plans this is a > CM-4MS rod end bearing). If thebearing fails it can slip off the end and loose > your flap into thewind. Obvious potential for an immediate role and catastrophe. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phil Birkelbach <phil(at)petrasoft.net>
Subject: Re: Flap actuator rod end bearings
Date: Jan 05, 2007
I seem to remember reading once that Van did some testing on one of the designs many moons ago, where they deployed one flap on purpose and they found that the ailerons were more than adequate to handle the roll moment. I wish I could remember where I read that. It seems to me that this is a very simple, lightweight design. The failure mode is 'fairly' benign and those bearings are easy to check during pre-flight (I give mine a pretty mean tug before every flight). So, why add weight or complexity on a design that is flying in thousands of airplanes without a real good reason. Phil On Jan 5, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: > > > I'm interested in this myself for the same reason your DAR was.... > > These are standard with all of Vans kits that I know of. I haven't > heard of anyone swapping them out and your DAR is the first I've > heard of that didn't like them - although now hearing his story, > I'm inclined to be concerned myself. > > I have heard of one of the links that this bearing is attached to > failing, the associated landing was uneventful - I don't know when > in the sequence it failed. > > I would think if it failed in flight with the flaps retracted, > aerodynamic pressure would keep the failed one up and you would get > asymetric (sp) deployment when you attempt to lower the flaps which > you should recognize easily. I would also think that there would > be too much pressure on it to fail in this manner if the flaps were > already deployed. > > My (probably not even) .02 worth > Ralph Capen > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Gerry Filby <gerf(at)gerf.com> >> Sent: Jan 5, 2007 4:31 PM >> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV-List: Flap actuator rod end bearings >> >> >> N696WG(RV-9, Aerosport IO-320) got its Special Airworthyness >> Certificate thismorning. One thing that came up was that the DAR >> didn't like the typeof rod-end bearing that attaches the flap >> pushrod to the inboard rib ofthe flap. He complained that this >> type of rod end doesn't have a boltand wide area washer to retain >> the bearing in place in the event of afailure (from the plans this >> is a CM-4MS rod end bearing). If thebearing fails it can slip off >> the end and loose your flap into thewind. Obvious potential for an >> immediate role and catastrophe. >> >> Have folks changed out these rod end bearings for alternates ? And >> if so what have you changed them for ? >> >> g >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Flap actuator rod end bearings
Date: Jan 05, 2007
It would be possible for a builder to do a flight test to check what would happen if this failure occurred. If I were doing the flight test, I would do it as follows: Remove one flap rod, and use some duct tape at the inboard trailing edge of the flap to hold it up against the fuselage. This is to ensure that it remains retracted on the ground and during take off. Review bail out procedures, and select a test area in an uninhabited area. Don a parachute and helmet. Do a take off and climb to a safe altitude. Slow to normal approach speed, and set up in a simulated stabilized approach using whatever power you normally use. Select flaps down, using aileron to hold wings level. If you run out of aileron, note how much flap is deployed, then retract the flaps. If you reach full flap and still have some aileron left, release the stick to allow it to go to neutral. Wait one second, then grab the stick and recover control. This is a rough simulation of what would happen if the flaps were fully deployed, then one flap bearing (or flap rod) failed, and that flap suddenly retracted. If the response with a one second delay wasn't too frightening, repeat with a longer delay before resuming control. Retract the flaps and repeat at approach speed with idle power. Retract the flaps, then try the whole thing again at approach speed, but in a full power climb. This simulates what would happen if the failure occurred when you aborted a landing, and had not yet retracted the flaps. Repeat at max speed for flap deployment, using various power settings. Finish the flight with an approach and landing with the flaps retracted. Repeat the whole exercise for the other flap, as it isn't obvious which side would be the worse failure. If the results from all the above tests show that this is a survivable failure, then everything is OK as is. If the results show there is a problem, then modify the design to address the DAR's concern. You would also need to figure out how to ensure a flap rod never fails, as the results of that failure would be the same as a failure of the bearing. Maybe some sort of repetitive inspection would be in order. Kevin Horton On 5 Jan 2007, at 18:03, Phil Birkelbach wrote: > > I seem to remember reading once that Van did some testing on one of > the designs many moons ago, where they deployed one flap on purpose > and they found that the ailerons were more than adequate to handle > the roll moment. I wish I could remember where I read that. > > It seems to me that this is a very simple, lightweight design. The > failure mode is 'fairly' benign and those bearings are easy to > check during pre-flight (I give mine a pretty mean tug before every > flight). So, why add weight or complexity on a design that is > flying in thousands of airplanes without a real good reason. > > Phil > > > On Jan 5, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Ralph E. Capen wrote: > >> >> >> I'm interested in this myself for the same reason your DAR was.... >> >> These are standard with all of Vans kits that I know of. I >> haven't heard of anyone swapping them out and your DAR is the >> first I've heard of that didn't like them - although now hearing >> his story, I'm inclined to be concerned myself. >> >> I have heard of one of the links that this bearing is attached to >> failing, the associated landing was uneventful - I don't know when >> in the sequence it failed. >> >> I would think if it failed in flight with the flaps retracted, >> aerodynamic pressure would keep the failed one up and you would >> get asymetric (sp) deployment when you attempt to lower the flaps >> which you should recognize easily. I would also think that there >> would be too much pressure on it to fail in this manner if the >> flaps were already deployed. >> >> My (probably not even) .02 worth >> Ralph Capen >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gerry Filby <gerf(at)gerf.com> >>> Sent: Jan 5, 2007 4:31 PM >>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >>> Subject: RV-List: Flap actuator rod end bearings >>> >>> >>> N696WG(RV-9, Aerosport IO-320) got its Special Airworthyness >>> Certificate thismorning. One thing that came up was that the DAR >>> didn't like the typeof rod-end bearing that attaches the flap >>> pushrod to the inboard rib ofthe flap. He complained that this >>> type of rod end doesn't have a boltand wide area washer to retain >>> the bearing in place in the event of afailure (from the plans >>> this is a CM-4MS rod end bearing). If thebearing fails it can >>> slip off the end and loose your flap into thewind. Obvious >>> potential for an immediate role and catastrophe. >>> >>> Have folks changed out these rod end bearings for alternates ? >>> And if so what have you changed them for ? >>> >>> g >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2007
Subject: viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S Prop
From: windsaloft(at)rmisp.com
I've not been able to find anything in the archives on this, so will ask: What viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S props exist for my RV-6A? I just got popped by the hub AD -- it is mounted on my O-360 A1A engine. I think that electrofluxing each 100 hrs AND at annual will break me quickly ($375/iteration plus labor). In addition to the hub hitting this AD, the blades have been identified by the prop shop as barely out of thickness tolerances at the 30" station, so new blades are needed. My options that I am aware of, a new Hartzell hub ($1700) plus blades ($4400) plus labor ($1700) puts me up in new prop realm rather than foot the bill for a rebuild. I have been out of building since 1999, and am simply flying (or trying to!) and now need to do a quick survey of available C/S prop alternatives that I can use to replace mine. Email direct is preferred: windsaloft(at)rmisp.com terri watson RV-6A N1977D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Lervold" <randy(at)romeolima.com>
Subject: Re: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing
Date: Jan 05, 2007
Mike, just to clarify, if you're getting a new plane in the air that is NOT intended for IFR flight there is no pitot/static system leak test required, only the encoder and transponder? My understanding, maybe wrongly, was that the leak test WAS required as part of initial certification. Thanks, Randy Lervold ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Robertson To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing The requirement is in FAR 91. I am sorry but I don't have my regs with me at the moment and cann't quote exact paragraph. Basically you need to get the transponder and encoder checked every two years for any type of flying. You only need to get a pitot/staic check done if you fly IFR or if the pitot/static system has been broken open for any reason. Mike Robertson Das Fed ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:13:44 -0500 > From: rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing > > > Listers, > > Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the periodic > testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, transponder and encoder? > All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm now approaching > the two year point and would like to find the details of what tests must > be done before the end of the two years. > Thanks in advance. > > Richard Dudley > -6A flyi======================= => > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Try amazing new 3D maps Check it out! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lamar Lawson" <lamar(at)takeflighttexas.com>
Subject: Re: viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S Prop
Date: Jan 05, 2007
I know the American Propeller guys have something that does not have a speed restriction or AD. Bob Honig there can help you. Good luck!! Lamar N969LS ----- Original Message ----- From: <windsaloft(at)rmisp.com> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: RV-List: viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S Prop > > I've not been able to find anything in the archives on this, so will ask: > > What viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S props exist for my RV-6A? > > I just got popped by the hub AD -- it is mounted on my O-360 A1A engine. > I think that electrofluxing each 100 hrs AND at annual will break me > quickly ($375/iteration plus labor). In addition to the hub hitting this > AD, the blades have been identified by the prop shop as barely out of > thickness tolerances at the 30" station, so new blades are needed. > > My options that I am aware of, a new Hartzell hub ($1700) plus blades > ($4400) plus labor ($1700) puts me up in new prop realm rather than foot > the bill for a rebuild. > > I have been out of building since 1999, and am simply flying (or trying > to!) and now need to do a quick survey of available C/S prop alternatives > that I can use to replace mine. > > Email direct is preferred: > windsaloft(at)rmisp.com > terri watson > RV-6A N1977D > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf(at)gerf.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2007
Subject: Re: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing
I've just been through this - the leak test is NOT required for VFR Day/ Nigh flight. g -----Original Message----- From: Randy Lervold [mailto:randy(at)romeolima.com] Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 04:51 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing Mike, just to clarify, if you're getting a new plane in the air that is N OT intended for IFR flight there is no pitot/static system leak test requ ired, only the encoder and transponder? My understanding, maybe wrongly, was that the leak test WAS required as part of initial certification. Thanks, Randy Lervold ----- Original Message ----- From:Mike Robertson To:rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing The requirement is in FAR 91. I am sorry but I don't have my regs with me at the moment and cann't quote exact paragraph. Basically you need to ge t the transponder and encoder checked every two years for any type of fly ing. You only need to get a pitot/staic check done if you fly IFR or if t he pitot/static system has been broken open for any reason. Mike Robertson Das Fed ------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:13:44 -0500 > From: rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing > > > Listers, > > Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the periodic > testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, transponder and encoder? > All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm now approaching > the two year point and would like to find the details of what tests mus t > be done before the end of the two years. > Thanks in advance. > > Richard Dudley > -6A flyi===================== ===<> > > ------------------------------------------------------------ Try amazing new 3D maps Check it out!href="http://www.matronics.com/Na vigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listhref="http:/ ====================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2007
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S Prop
I don't know anything about the AD, but was Just thinking on the problem. If you can dye check instead of electrofluxing, you can do that yourself ..... it just depends on when/where the failure mode is. As for the blades, you don't need a certified blade so thank the prop shop and continue to use them. You were comfortable using the prop before the prop shop got it, weren't you??? Just musing. Linn windsaloft(at)rmisp.com wrote: > >I've not been able to find anything in the archives on this, so will ask: > >What viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S props exist for my RV-6A? > >I just got popped by the hub AD -- it is mounted on my O-360 A1A engine. >I think that electrofluxing each 100 hrs AND at annual will break me >quickly ($375/iteration plus labor). In addition to the hub hitting this >AD, the blades have been identified by the prop shop as barely out of >thickness tolerances at the 30" station, so new blades are needed. > >My options that I am aware of, a new Hartzell hub ($1700) plus blades >($4400) plus labor ($1700) puts me up in new prop realm rather than foot >the bill for a rebuild. > >I have been out of building since 1999, and am simply flying (or trying >to!) and now need to do a quick survey of available C/S prop alternatives >that I can use to replace mine. > >Email direct is preferred: >windsaloft(at)rmisp.com >terri watson >RV-6A N1977D > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2007
From: "Bob J." <rocketbob(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Flap actuator rod end bearings
Hmmm. Seems to me that almost 5000 RV's have been flying with these flap rod ends and there's never been a documented failure of them, at least that I am aware of. A good preflight would prevent a problem with the rod ends from causing any sort of flight control problems. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. On 1/5/07, Gerry Filby wrote: > > > N696WG(RV-9, Aerosport IO-320) got its Special Airworthyness Certificate > thismorning. One thing that came up was that the DAR didn't like the typeof > rod-end bearing that attaches the flap pushrod to the inboard rib ofthe > flap. He complained that this type of rod end doesn't have a boltand wide > area washer to retain the bearing in place in the event of afailure (from > the plans this is a CM-4MS rod end bearing). If thebearing fails it can slip > off the end and loose your flap into thewind. Obvious potential for an > immediate role and catastrophe. > > Have folks changed out these rod end bearings for alternates ? And if so > what have you changed them for ? > > g > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2007
From: "Bob J." <rocketbob(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S Prop
My prop shop guy told me in the small number of hubs he'd seen with cracks, they start from the zerk holes. He also told me that when the zerk holes in the are properly chamfered, he's never seen cracks in those hubs, and he's overhauled hundreds of compact-hub Hartzell's. The ones that did have cracks spit grease, and did not fail catastrophically. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. On 1/5/07, windsaloft(at)rmisp.com wrote: > > > I've not been able to find anything in the archives on this, so will ask: > > What viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S props exist for my RV-6A? > > I just got popped by the hub AD -- it is mounted on my O-360 A1A engine. > I think that electrofluxing each 100 hrs AND at annual will break me > quickly ($375/iteration plus labor). In addition to the hub hitting this > AD, the blades have been identified by the prop shop as barely out of > thickness tolerances at the 30" station, so new blades are needed. > > My options that I am aware of, a new Hartzell hub ($1700) plus blades > ($4400) plus labor ($1700) puts me up in new prop realm rather than foot > the bill for a rebuild. > > I have been out of building since 1999, and am simply flying (or trying > to!) and now need to do a quick survey of available C/S prop alternatives > that I can use to replace mine. > > Email direct is preferred: > windsaloft(at)rmisp.com > terri watson > RV-6A N1977D > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S Prop
Date: Jan 05, 2007
Considering the potential consequences of a prop hub or blade failure (engine comes off the mount, then loss of control due to very aft CG, followed by fatal crash), this is not a place to cut corners. I highly recommend compliance with the AD, and following Hartzell's guidelines on blade dimension tolerances. Kevin Horton On 5 Jan 2007, at 21:02, linn Walters wrote: > > > I don't know anything about the AD, but was Just thinking on the > problem. If you can dye check instead of electrofluxing, you can > do that yourself ..... it just depends on when/where the failure > mode is. As for the blades, you don't need a certified blade so > thank the prop shop and continue to use them. You were comfortable > using the prop before the prop shop got it, weren't you??? > Just musing. > Linn > > windsaloft(at)rmisp.com wrote: > >> >> I've not been able to find anything in the archives on this, so >> will ask: >> >> What viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S props exist for my >> RV-6A? >> >> I just got popped by the hub AD -- it is mounted on my O-360 A1A >> engine. I think that electrofluxing each 100 hrs AND at annual >> will break me >> quickly ($375/iteration plus labor). In addition to the hub >> hitting this >> AD, the blades have been identified by the prop shop as barely out of >> thickness tolerances at the 30" station, so new blades are needed. >> >> My options that I am aware of, a new Hartzell hub ($1700) plus blades >> ($4400) plus labor ($1700) puts me up in new prop realm rather >> than foot >> the bill for a rebuild. >> >> I have been out of building since 1999, and am simply flying (or >> trying >> to!) and now need to do a quick survey of available C/S prop >> alternatives >> that I can use to replace mine. >> >> Email direct is preferred: >> windsaloft(at)rmisp.com >> terri watson >> RV-6A N1977D >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing
Date: Jan 05, 2007
We don't require the leak test as part of certification due to the fact tha t there may not be any testing facility where your plane is. It just has t o get done as soon as possible along with the encoder and transponder. Aft er that you should do a leak check is you ever break open the system but it is required unless you do IFR. Mike From: randy(at)romeolima.comTo: rv-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: RV-List: Pit ot Static and Transponder TestingDate: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:51:22 -0800 Mike, just to clarify, if you're getting a new plane in the air that is NOT intended for IFR flight there is no pitot/static system leak test required , only the encoder and transponder? My understanding, maybe wrongly, was th at the leak test WAS required as part of initial certification. Thanks, Randy Lervold ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Robertson Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing The requirement is in FAR 91. I am sorry but I don't have my regs with me at the moment and cann't quote exact paragraph. Basically you need to get the transponder and encoder checked every two years for any type of flying. You only need to get a pitot/staic check done if you fly IFR or if the pi tot/static system has been broken open for any reason.Mike RobertsonDas Fed > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:13:44 -0500> From: rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testi t>> > Listers,> > Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the periodic > testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, transponder and e ncoder?> All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm now approach ing > the two year point and would like to find the details of what tests m ust > be done before the end of the two years.> Thanks in advance.> > Richa rd Dudley> -6A flyi================== ======> > > Try amazing new 3D maps Check it out! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _________________________________________________________________ Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and more. www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing
Date: Jan 05, 2007
Except at the first encoder/transponder test after certification. You may not even know it is being done because if the encoder is not reading out ri ght then there is a leak in the static system. When they make a log entry about the encoder test the faa will accept that as the static system check. If the pitot side has a leak then you will find that out when you are tes t flying the aircraft. Mike From: gerf(at)gerf.comTo: rv-list(at)matronics.comDate: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 01:48:55 +0000Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing I've just been through this - the leak test is NOT required for VFR Day/Ni gh flight.g -----Original Message-----From: Randy Lervold [mailto:randy(at)romeolima.com]S ent: Friday, January 5, 2007 04:51 PMTo: rv-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing Mike, just to clarify, if you're getting a new plane in the air that is NOT intended for IFR flight there is no pitot/static system leak test required , only the encoder and transponder? My understanding, maybe wrongly, was th at the leak test WAS required as part of initial certification. Thanks, Randy Lervold ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Robertson Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing The requirement is in FAR 91. I am sorry but I don't have my regs with me at the moment and cann't quote exact paragraph. Basically you need to get the transponder and encoder checked every two years for any type of flying. You only need to get a pitot/staic check done if you fly IFR or if the pi tot/static system has been broken open for any reason.Mike RobertsonDas Fed > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:13:44 -0500> From: rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testi t>> > Listers,> > Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the periodic > testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, transponder and e ncoder?> All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm now approach ing > the two year point and would like to find the details of what tests m ust > be done before the end of the two years.> Thanks in advance.> > Richa rd Dudley> -6A flyi================== ======<> > > Try amazing new 3D maps Check it out! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.- Get a customized station.- Try MSN Radio powe red by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 05, 2007
Subject: Re: viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S Prop
There are some practical propeller alternatives listed on my website, _www.lessdrag.com_ (http://www.lessdrag.com) There are no midrange RPM restrictions on these propellers when used on the Lyc. 360 engine. Regards, Jim Ayers (805) 795-5377 In a message dated 01/05/2007 4:27:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, windsaloft(at)rmisp.com writes: --> RV-List message posted by: windsaloft(at)rmisp.com I've not been able to find anything in the archives on this, so will ask: What viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S props exist for my RV-6A? I just got popped by the hub AD -- it is mounted on my O-360 A1A engine. I think that electrofluxing each 100 hrs AND at annual will break me quickly ($375/iteration plus labor). In addition to the hub hitting this AD, the blades have been identified by the prop shop as barely out of thickness tolerances at the 30" station, so new blades are needed. My options that I am aware of, a new Hartzell hub ($1700) plus blades ($4400) plus labor ($1700) puts me up in new prop realm rather than foot the bill for a rebuild. I have been out of building since 1999, and am simply flying (or trying to!) and now need to do a quick survey of available C/S prop alternatives that I can use to replace mine. Email direct is preferred: windsaloft(at)rmisp.com terri watson RV-6A N1977D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf(at)gerf.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2007
Subject: Re: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing
Just read my own post ... I would add ... ... But why on earth would you not want to do it ? Don't you want to know if your pitot/static system is functioning properly ? g -----Original Message----- From: Gerry Filby [mailto:gerf(at)gerf.com] Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 05:48 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing I've just been through this - the leak test is NOT required for VFR Day/ Nigh flight. g -----Original Message----- From: Randy Lervold [mailto:randy(at)romeolima.com] Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 04:51 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing Mike, just to clarify, if you're getting a new plane in the air that is N OT intended for IFR flight there is no pitot/static system leak test requ ired, only the encoder and transponder? My understanding, maybe wrongly, was that the leak test WAS required as part of initial certification. Thanks, Randy Lervold ----- Original Message ----- From:Mike Robertson To:rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing The requirement is in FAR 91. I am sorry but I don't have my regs with me at the moment and cann't quote exact paragraph. Basically you need to ge t the transponder and encoder checked every two years for any type of fly ing. You only need to get a pitot/staic check done if you fly IFR or if t he pitot/static system has been broken open for any reason. Mike Robertson Das Fed ------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:13:44 -0500 > From: rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing > > > Listers, > > Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the periodic > testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, transponder and encoder? > All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm now approaching > the two year point and would like to find the details of what tests mus t > be done before the end of the two years. > Thanks in advance. > > Richard Dudley > -6A flyi===================== ===<> > > ------------------------------------------------------------ Try amazing new 3D maps Check it out!href="http://www.matronics.com/Na vigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listhref="http:/ /forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comget="_blank">http://w ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 05, 2007
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S Prop
If you know your blades are about worn out, the best alternative is Hartzell's offer of a trade in for new prop at ~$5600. Putting a new hub together with new blades at individual parts pricing and labor makes no sense. Also, a new prop will have more meat to it, and give you full design performance, something old blades won't. BTW, the testing is eddy current, not magnaflux or dye penetrant. Shops have been doing it for as little as $150. Kevin Horton wrote: > > Considering the potential consequences of a prop hub or blade failure > (engine comes off the mount, then loss of control due to very aft CG, > followed by fatal crash), this is not a place to cut corners. I > highly recommend compliance with the AD, and following Hartzell's > guidelines on blade dimension tolerances. > > Kevin Horton > > On 5 Jan 2007, at 21:02, linn Walters wrote: > >> >> I don't know anything about the AD, but was Just thinking on the >> problem. If you can dye check instead of electrofluxing, you can do >> that yourself ..... it just depends on when/where the failure mode >> is. As for the blades, you don't need a certified blade so thank the >> prop shop and continue to use them. You were comfortable using the >> prop before the prop shop got it, weren't you??? >> Just musing. >> Linn >> >> windsaloft(at)rmisp.com wrote: >> >>> >>> I've not been able to find anything in the archives on this, so will >>> ask: >>> >>> What viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S props exist for my RV-6A? >>> >>> I just got popped by the hub AD -- it is mounted on my O-360 A1A >>> engine. I think that electrofluxing each 100 hrs AND at annual will >>> break me >>> quickly ($375/iteration plus labor). In addition to the hub hitting >>> this >>> AD, the blades have been identified by the prop shop as barely out of >>> thickness tolerances at the 30" station, so new blades are needed. >>> >>> My options that I am aware of, a new Hartzell hub ($1700) plus blades >>> ($4400) plus labor ($1700) puts me up in new prop realm rather than >>> foot >>> the bill for a rebuild. >>> >>> I have been out of building since 1999, and am simply flying (or trying >>> to!) and now need to do a quick survey of available C/S prop >>> alternatives >>> that I can use to replace mine. >>> >>> Email direct is preferred: >>> windsaloft(at)rmisp.com >>> terri watson >>> RV-6A N1977D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: JVanLaak(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 06, 2007
Subject: Re: viable alternatives to the Hartzell C/S Prop
Does anyone have experience with Avia automatic propellers _http://www.aviapropeller.com/_ (http://www.aviapropeller.com/) ? I looked at one on display at Sun N Fun and it was appealing. Jim Van Laak RV-6 N79RL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Flap actuator rod end bearings
Date: Jan 06, 2007
On 6 Jan 2007, at 01:57, Mickey Coggins wrote: > > Kevin Horton wrote: >> It would be possible for a builder to do a flight test to check >> what would happen if this failure occurred. If I were doing the >> flight test, I would do it as follows: >> Remove one flap rod, and use some duct tape at the inboard >> trailing edge of the flap to hold it up against the fuselage. >> This is to ensure that it remains retracted on the ground and >> during take off. >> Review bail out procedures, and select a test area in an >> uninhabited area. Don a parachute and helmet. ... > > Wow, Kevin, reading that gave me the chills. I think I'll wait for > the results of your testing! :-) Maybe it sounds a bit morbid to detail the preparations in that way, but this is exactly the process that everyone should do before any flight tests that are probing the edges of the envelope. It is far better to be over prepared than to be caught by surprise. I lost a very good friend who chose not to wear a parachute on a flight test which was exploring the edge of the envelope with a new flap angle. They lost control, then screwed up the procedure to use the stall recovery chute, because they had not reviewed the details of this procedure before the test. They could have bailed out if they had been wearing parachutes, but they weren't, so three lives were lost. Prepare for every test flight like your life may depend upon it. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 06, 2007
From: Phil Birkelbach <phil(at)petrasoft.net>
Subject: Re: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing
I don't think it's a question of not doing it, rather it's a question of having to do it "officially". It's an easy test to do for one's own satisfaction but if you need to have the magic certificate number in the logbook, it becomes somewhat more expensive and much less convenient.. Godspeed, Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas RV-7 N727WB http://www.myrv7.com Gerry Filby wrote: > Just read my own post ... I would add ... > > ... But why on earth would you not want to do it ? Don't you want to > know if your pitot/static system is functioning properly ? > > g > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Gerry Filby [mailto:gerf(at)gerf.com] > *Sent:* Friday, January 5, 2007 05:48 PM > *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing > > I've just been through this - the leak test is NOT required for > VFR Day/Nigh flight. > > g > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Randy Lervold [mailto:randy(at)romeolima.com] > *Sent:* Friday, January 5, 2007 04:51 PM > *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing > > Mike, just to clarify, if you're getting a new plane in the > air that is NOT intended for IFR flight there is no > pitot/static system leak test required, only the encoder and > transponder? My understanding, maybe wrongly, was that the > leak test WAS required as part of initial certification. > > Thanks, > Randy Lervold > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mike Robertson > *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:41 PM > *Subject:* RE: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing > > The requirement is in FAR 91. I am sorry but I don't have > my regs with me at the moment and cann't quote exact > paragraph. Basically you need to get the transponder and > encoder checked every two years for any type of flying. > You only need to get a pitot/staic check done if you fly > IFR or if the pitot/static system has been broken open for > any reason. > > Mike Robertson > Das Fed > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:13:44 -0500 > > From: rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net > > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: RV-List: Pitot Static and Transponder Testing > > > > > > > Listers, > > > > Can someone please steer me to the FARs that address the > periodic > > testing of the pitot static system, altimeter, > transponder and encoder? > > All those tests were done before my first flight. I'm > now approaching > > the two year point and would like to find the details of > what tests must > > be done before the end of the two years. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Richard Dudley > > -6A flyi========================<> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Try amazing new 3D maps Check it out! > <http://maps.live.com/?wip=51> > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com>
Subject: "Wig-Wag" Flasher
Date: Jan 06, 2007
I finally found a very small, relatively inexpensive, and well-designed control module that will flash your landing/taxi lights. www.periheliondesign.com has a control module that has its own toggle switch and is about the size of the old 50-cent piece. It fits into a standard toggle switch hole on the instrument panel. I used it for flashing halogen lamps (don't have landing/taxi lights) and it works great. Cost is $88 including shipping. A very compact and fool-proof unit. FWIW - no connection with this firm. John at Salida, CO ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Garmin XM and GPS antennas
Date: Jan 06, 2007
From: vft(at)aol.com
Does anyine have any experience running the Garmin 396/496 XM antenna next to the external GPS antenna. I'm planning on mounting them just underneth my glare shield (glare shield is fiber glass). Rockets have pretty small glare shields so this would put the antennas pretty close to each other. A second antenna from a Garmin 250 would be very close as well. Danny Melnik F1 #25 Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Hopperdhh(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 06, 2007
Subject: Re: Riveting curved skin surface
I used the standard flush rivet tool with bucking bar on the inside of the fuselage for riveting the turtledeck skin to the bulkheads. (My claustrophobic wife was inside with the bucking bar!) After driving the rivets I went inside the fuselage and took a small hammer and big punch and gave each rivet a little smack. The dent at each rivet was easily removed as the skin tightened up to exactly where it should be. Its like the skin wanted to be straight, and the dented bulkhead was holding it in. Use the punch backwards and keep your fingers holding the punch against the skin to be sure that you don't slip off the rivet. By backwards I mean use the 1/2 in square end of the punch on the shop head, and hammer on the (say) 3/8 inch round end. This is much easier to do than to explain. I think this little trick could be used lots of places where the skin has been dented in by driving the rivets without enough force on the bar. Use your own judgment and common sense, please! I like to use minimum force on the bar until the rivet is set a little, and then increase the force on the bar. In other words, use more force on the gun than the bar at first. After the rivet is set enough that you can't push it back out, push harder with the bar. This way the skin won't dent in. Just my $.02 worth. Dan Hopper RV-7A Flying since July 2004 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: "Wig-Wag" Flasher
Date: Jan 07, 2007
John: $88 is too expensive. The B&C Wig Wag is only $22. http://www.bandc.biz/WigWag.html I can buy a matching switch like I used in the rest of my panel for a lot less than the $66 I have left over after buying the B&C Wig Wag. Yes the B&C Wig Wag is only rated at 150 Watts and not 250 W. I have not seen landing lights over 100 W. Where are you finding landing lights that you need a 250 W flasher? Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 1,973 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com> Subject: RV-List: "Wig-Wag" Flasher Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:40:32 -0700 I finally found a very small, relatively inexpensive, and well-designed control module that will flash your landing/taxi lights. www.periheliondesign.com has a control module that has its own toggle switch and is about the size of the old 50-cent piece. It fits into a standard toggle switch hole on the instrument panel. I used it for flashing halogen lamps (don't have landing/taxi lights) and it works great. Cost is $88 including shipping. A very compact and fool-proof unit. FWIW - no connection with this firm. John at Salida, CO _________________________________________________________________ Communicate instantly! Use your Hotmail address to sign into Windows Live Messenger now. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Garmin XM and GPS antennas
Date: Jan 06, 2007
Yes. Two XM and one GPS right next to eachother. No problems observed. - Larry Bowen, RV-8, RV-7... Larry(at)BowenAero.com <http://bowenaero.com/> http://BowenAero.com _____ From: vft(at)aol.com [mailto:vft(at)aol.com] Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: RV-List: Garmin XM and GPS antennas Does anyine have any experience running the Garmin 396/496 XM antenna next to the external GPS antenna. I'm planning on mounting them just underneth my glare shield (glare shield is fiber glass). Rockets have pretty small glare shields so this would put the antennas pretty close to each other. A second antenna from a Garmin 250 would be very close as well. Danny Melnik F1 #25 Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory _____ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Garmin XM and GPS antennas
From: Doug Gray <dgra1233(at)bigpond.net.au>
Date: Jan 07, 2007
Minimum separation between antennas should be one quarter of the longest wavelength. For 2.5Ghz this is approx 31.5mm or 1-1/4 inches. Doug Gray > Does anyine have any experience running the Garmin 396/496 XM antenna > next to the external GPS antenna. I'm planning on mounting them > just underneth my glare shield (glare shield is fiber glass). Rockets > have pretty small glare shields so this would put the antennas pretty > close to each other. A second antenna from a Garmin 250 would be very > close as well. > > Danny Melnik > F1 #25 > Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 06, 2007
From: sarg314 <sarg314(at)comcast.net>
Subject: throttle cable routing
I'm having some trouble routing my throttle cable. I'm using an eyeball firewall pass-thru. The easy route has the eyeball turned so far over that the cable is very close to rubbing on the eyeball frame itself. Unfortunately it can't be made to come close enough to any engine mount tubes to anchor it in the usual way with an Adel clamp that's attached to an Adel clamp that's attached to the tube. (My throttle cable enters high on the right side firewall and snakes down.) Is there an approved way to use Adel clamps and a metal "strap" or wire attached to an engine mount tube to pull a hose or control cable into a better position? -- Tom S. RV-6A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HCRV6(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: "Wig-Wag" Flasher
Date: Jan 07, 2007
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From: "Tracy Crook" <lors01(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Garmin XM and GPS antennas
Date: Jan 07, 2007
They are separate in my plane but sit side by side when on the road (in car) and see no problems. Tracy Crook ----- Original Message ----- From: vft(at)aol.com<mailto:vft(at)aol.com> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com ; rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 7:18 PM Subject: RV-List: Garmin XM and GPS antennas Does anyine have any experience running the Garmin 396/496 XM antenna next to the external GPS antenna. I'm planning on mounting them just underneth my glare shield (glare shield is fiber glass). Rockets have pretty small glare shields so this would put the antennas pretty close to each other. A second antenna from a Garmin 250 would be very close as well. Danny Melnik F1 #25 Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ator?RV-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: PeterHunt1(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 07, 2007
Subject: GPS antenna under cowl
Bill S. asked if anyone had actually mounted a GPS antenna under the engine cowl and then used metallic flake paint on the cowl. I did just that and mine works great. I mounted my Garmin 530 GPS antenna on a platform which I attached high and center on the engine side of my firewall. The cowl and much of the rest of my airplane is painted with a beautiful teal metal flake paint. I now have 200 hours on my RV-6 and not the slightest problem with this GPS antenna installation. I lock into a GPS signal quickly (within 30 seconds of start up) and never had a problem losing it in flight. Further, before I made this installation (during construction in 2004) I talked with the Garmin people and they did not see any problems with my installation. I do open my oil access door after flying, but that is more to just help the whole engine compartment cool down. Pete in Clearwater, FL RV-6, Reserve Grand Champion - Kit, 2006 Sun n' Fun ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Subject: Firewall forward sale
Date: Jan 07, 2007
I recently switched over to all electronic Ignition in my RV8. I have for sale: a set of Slick mags WITH harnesses. Left(with impulse) part # 4373, and right part # 4370. These are in REALLY good shape with only 100 hours on them. They will fit any Lycoming 0-320, 0 or I/O 360. Will sell for $800. New price with harnesses is around $1375. Also Have a full set(8) of Brand new Champion fine wire plugs. Part number REM38S. These have NOT been installed on the aircraft. I noticed AFTER I opened them, I needed the Long reach plugs for my I/O 360. These run $525 retail. I will let them go for $320. Thanks Al Grajek 859-361-9460 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 07, 2007
From: "Jack Lockamy" <jacklockamy(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Wig-Wag Flasher
Gary, That same $22 module from B&C is only $10.75 at my local NAPA automotive parts store. I purchased one from NAPA and have it installed in the RV-7A. I used the same instructions Bob Nuckolls provides for FREE on his AeroElectric website.... Jack ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 07, 2007
From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Wig-Wag Flasher
NAPA Part# EL-13A-2 ------ Surfing the web from my laptop in Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A site: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ Jack Lockamy wrote: > Gary, > > > > That same $22 module from B&C is only $10.75 at my local NAPA > automotive parts store. I purchased one from NAPA and have it > installed in the RV-7A. I used the same instructions Bob Nuckolls > provides for FREE on his AeroElectric website.... > > > > Jack > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 07, 2007
From: bertrv6(at)highstream.net
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Date: Jan 07, 2007
From: Rick Galati <rick6a(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Wingtip extensions
I should have bookmarked the site at the time but.....recently I visited a site that showed in graphic, user friendly detail a suggested step-by-step procedure for bonding the (optional) light extensions into the wingtips. Maybe it is the site of the company that supplies Van's with the wingtip extentions, maybe not. Anyway, if this "rings a bell" with anyone, would you please point me towards the site/link I am referring to? Thanks in advance. Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla" RV-8 wing kit ________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Lycoming O-320-B3B for sale
Date: Jan 08, 2007
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Subject: Exhaust on eBay
Date: Jan 08, 2007
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
Found these exhausts on eBay: 220068639984 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4-Into-1-Exhaust-For-A-Vans-RV-6-Or-Vans- RV-7_W0QQitemZ220068639984QQihZ012QQcategoryZ26437QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 220068652234 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/High-Performance-4-Into-1-Exhaust-System- Lycoming-O-360_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26437QQihZ012QQitemZ2200686522 34 I have no connection to seller or product. Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2007
From: G McNutt <gmcnutt(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna
David Leonard wrote: > "Best I can tell, the UPS stuff is better than the Garmin panel mount > stuff in usability and features (like that internal splitter - which > works well). IMHO, Garmin makes the best stuff in the business > (430,480,GPS map 396/496, GTX-330, and their UAT receiver the > GDL-90), but only because they bought out UPS" > Agreed, based on my GNC 300 XL and SL-30 I think the UPS designed stuff is also much better inside the box, the amount of transmitter input power required for the Garmin design is about 60% greater than the comparable output UPS design. George in Langley BC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Williams, Glenn" <GRWilliams2(at)bellhelicopter.textron.com>
Subject: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna
Date: Jan 09, 2007
Michele and others. I think you would be surprised at the mark up in general aviation products. If you recall around the mid 80's, you could buy a bonanza for around $13,000 with a low time engine. I used to work in drug seized aircraft and there were deals everywhere. Soon thereafter people started suing the manufacturers i.e. Cessna, Raytheon, Piper etc. Due to this the prices skyrocketed. Today the prices are way high to to liability issues. For instance the radio you are referring to in essence could be considered a liability for I believe it is around 20 years. I talked with Cessna's ex CEO a couple of years back when I was with Bombardier aerospace and if memory serves I think he told me that the mark up was around 75-80% of the actual cost of the product. Anyway back to the gist of Rvdom. After building an RV-8A If I were to build another I would do a couple of things differently. My mind set has changed and I think if you think about it it makes perfect sense. Dont go overboard with the avionics suite. Sure you can buy all the bells and whistles and yeah they are the coolest, but it adds to the workload of the pilot. Keep it simple and the flying and maintenance aspect are easier and more enjoyful. I now see why Van keeps his airplanes pretty much bone stock (bare bones) it is just plainly more fun. I would in the future have a standard VFR panel with steam gauges and for cross country trips my GPS 1000 (portable) complete with suction cup so when you get the airport loaner car it goes with you. Anyway hope you guys are doing well. Regards Glenn Williams A&P I believe general aviation in general has a strong mark-up. Mark-up also reflects a particular company's market dominance - just look at the cost of Windows XP and then look at Microsoft's balance sheet. XP is terribly overpriced but then what can one do if the programs you need only run on Windows. Back to GA GPSs - the real question is : Are there comparable but cheaper alternatives for a GPSmap 496? Also, does one really need all its features? It really is a question of mission profile. In my case, if I were to be objective, I'd probably stick to my Garmin Pilot III - it probably has more than I shall ever use. But since I am not fully rational as the fact that I am building a very expensive toy attests, I surely would love to have a Garmin 430 or a poor woman's version in the form of a GPSmap 496. Michele RV8 - Finishing http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">

Michele and others. I think you would be surprised at the mark up in general aviation products. If you recall around the mid 80's, you could buy a bonanza for around $13,000 with a low time engine. I used to work in drug seized aircraft and there were deals everywhere. Soon thereafter people started suing the manufacturers i.e. Cessna, Raytheon, Piper etc. Due to this the prices skyrocketed. Today the prices are way high to to liability issues. For instance the radio you are referring to in essence could be considered a liability for I believe it is around 20 years. I talked with Cessna's ex CEO a couple of years back when I was with Bombardier aerospace and if memory serves I think he told me that the mark up was around 75-80% of the actual cost of the product. Anyway back to the gist of Rvdom. After building an RV-8A If I were to build another I would do a couple of things differently. My mind set has changed and I think if you think about it it makes perfect sense. Dont go overboard with the avionics suite. Sure you can buy all the bells and whistles and yeah they are the coolest, but it adds to the workload of the pilot. Keep it simple and the flying and maintenance aspect are easier and more enjoyful. I now see why Van keeps his airplanes pretty much bone stock (bare bones) it is just plainly more fun. I would in the future have a standard VFR panel with steam gauges and for cross country trips my GPS 1000 (portable) complete with suction cup so when you get the airport loaner car it goes with you. Anyway hope you guys are doing well.

Regards

       ;      Glenn Williams

       ;      A&P

I believe general aviation in general has a strong mark-up. Mark-up also reflects a particular company's market dominance - just look at the cost of Windows XP and then look at Microsoft's balance sheet. XP is terribly overpriced but then what can one do if the programs you need only run on Windows. Back to GA GPSs - the real question is : Are there comparable but cheaper alternatives for a GPSmap 496? Also, does one really need all its features? It really is a question of mission profile. In my case, if I were to be objective, I'd probably stick to my Garmin Pilot III - it probably has more than I shall ever use. But since I am not fully rational as the fact that I am building a very expensive toy attests, I surely would love to have a Garmin 430 or a poor woman's version in the form of a GPSmap 496.

Michele

RV8 - Finishing

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Date: Jan 09, 2007
From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna
David Leonard wrote: > This makes a lot of sense. The 480 is an Apollo/UPS/II Morrow unit just > like my SL-30 which also has an internal splitter. Best I can tell, the > UPS > stuff is better than the Garmin panel mount stuff in usability and features > (like that internal splitter - which works well). IMHO, Garmin makes the > best stuff in the business (430,480,GPS map 396/496, GTX-330, and their UAT > receiver the GDL-90), but only because they bought out UPS. > > They seem to have the best prices in aviation, but are not afraid of the > mark-up. The GPSmap 496 sells for $2800 while the exact same GPS with a > Marine database sells for $900. We all need to agree to boycott such > mark-ups. I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for the plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there (but I already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds aloft, but if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the $900 unit will work just fine. http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff! :-) Sam Buchanan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2007
Subject: Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Interesting option. I wonder if one could still drive his AP with the 376... -- Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Sam Buchanan wrote: > > > I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for the > plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there (but I > already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds aloft, but > if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the $900 unit will > work just fine. > > http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c > > Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff! :-) > > Sam Buchanan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Lance Sorensen <lancej(at)charter.net>
Subject: Orndorff RV9 Empennage video
Date: Jan 09, 2007
For anyone just beginning I have a once used RV9 Empennage Construction video presented by George Orndorff. I will sell for $15 with slow media shipping or $18 priority mail. lancej(at)charter.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna
Date: Jan 09, 2007
On 9 Jan 2007, at 10:08, Sam Buchanan wrote: > > David Leonard wrote: >> This makes a lot of sense. The 480 is an Apollo/UPS/II Morrow >> unit just >> like my SL-30 which also has an internal splitter. Best I can >> tell, the UPS >> stuff is better than the Garmin panel mount stuff in usability and >> features >> (like that internal splitter - which works well). IMHO, Garmin >> makes the >> best stuff in the business (430,480,GPS map 396/496, GTX-330, and >> their UAT >> receiver the GDL-90), but only because they bought out UPS. >> They seem to have the best prices in aviation, but are not afraid >> of the >> mark-up. The GPSmap 496 sells for $2800 while the exact same GPS >> with a >> Marine database sells for $900. We all need to agree to boycott such >> mark-ups. > > > I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for > the plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't > there (but I already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is > winds aloft, but if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad > then the $900 unit will work just fine. > > http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c > > Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff! :-) I wonder if there is a groundspeed limit. My dad purchased an older Garmin marine handheld GPS many years ago (forget which model), as it was a lot cheaper than the equivalent aviation handheld GPS. It had a groundspeed limit of either 99 kt or 99 mph (forget which), and it would shutdown if you exceeded that speed. It isn't a major issue for him, as his Fleet Canuck taildragger cruises at 75 kt. Of course it is a bummer to have to slow down on the one day when you get a big tailwind. :) Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2007
From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna
Kevin Horton wrote: > > On 9 Jan 2007, at 10:08, Sam Buchanan wrote: >> I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for >> the plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there >> (but I already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds >> aloft, but if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the >> $900 unit will work just fine. >> >> http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c >> >> Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff! :-) > > I wonder if there is a groundspeed limit. My dad purchased an older > Garmin marine handheld GPS many years ago (forget which model), as it > was a lot cheaper than the equivalent aviation handheld GPS. It had a > groundspeed limit of either 99 kt or 99 mph (forget which), and it would > shutdown if you exceeded that speed. It isn't a major issue for him, as > his Fleet Canuck taildragger cruises at 75 kt. Of course it is a bummer > to have to slow down on the one day when you get a big tailwind. :) Excellent question and one for which I have no answer. I had forgotten about the speed limit on some of the old GPS's. Maybe somebody will ping Garmin and get an answer. Sam Buchanan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Arnold de Brie" <Arnold(at)paperchip.nl>
Subject: spin testing with unexpected result
Date: Jan 09, 2007
Here is an interesting/scaring story about spin-testing my RV7-A My aerobatics instructor took the plane up to do some spin-testing by himself, sitting alone in the left seat. He returned very enthusiastic about the spin handling and other aerobatic capabilities of the plane. So there we went. The two of us, me left ( a bit nervous of course) and the instructor right. I climbed to 6000 feet and he should show me a 2 turn spin first. Two fast turns then opposite rudder, stick forward......and then he yelled at me keeping the right stick loose in his hand....RECOVER!!!!!!! So I had to do it myself and I mean all by myself. No problems however and we could have quite a good laugh about it. Lesson learnt here; we better find a way of securing this passenger stick. Arnold de Brie RV7A PH-PWP The Netherlands ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf(at)gerf.com>
Date: Jan 09, 2007
Subject: Repairman's certificate application
Just downloaded FAA form 8610-2 "Airman Certificate An/Or Rating Applicat ion" - don't see anything that relates to repairman's certificates for an Experimental. Anyone got any guidance on how to complete this form ? Do I have the right form ? Thx g ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
Subject: Garmin cost (was: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna)
Date: Jan 09, 2007
Way back when I bought my first gps for boating (maybe it was my second -- I love these things!) I remember that Garmin discouraged using their less expensive non-aviation gps's in airplanes by having a maximum ground speed to 100 mph (or was it knots?). Of course I tried it anyway, and of course it quit working at 100 mph or knots. I don't remember exactly what stopped working about it, but it did. I don't know if they still do this or not. This was probably around 1995 or so. As for the value of the Garmin 496, saying $2800 is too expensive for a gps is like saying $7500 is too expensive for a com radio when you are talking about a Garmin 430. Both are multifunction machines that need to be evaluated based on what you need them to do. Terry > > They seem to have the best prices in aviation, but are not afraid of the > mark-up. The GPSmap 496 sells for $2800 while the exact same GPS with a > Marine database sells for $900. We all need to agree to boycott such > mark-ups. I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for the plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there (but I already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds aloft, but if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the $900 unit will work just fine. http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff! :-) Sam Buchanan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: wgill10(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Repairman's certificate application
Date: Jan 09, 2007
Yep...that's the correct form. If you look under the word "CERTIFICATE" at the top of the form, you should see the "REPAIRMAN" block. Bill -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf(at)gerf.com> Just downloaded FAA form 8610-2 "Airman Certificate An/Or Rating Application" - don't see anything that relates to repairman's certificates for an Experimental. Anyone got any guidance on how to complete this form ? Do I have the right form ? Thx g
Yep...that's the correct form. If you look under the word "CERTIFICATE" at the top of the form, you should see the "REPAIRMAN" block.

Bill

Just downloaded FAA form 8610-2 "Airman Certificate An/Or Rating Application" - don't see anything that relates to repairman's certificates for an Experimental. Anyone got any guidance on how to complete this form ? Do I have the right form ?

Thx

g

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Subject: Gertz Pitot Tube
Date: Jan 09, 2007
From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com>
I am installing the wiring for the Gertz heated pitot tube on my RV-8A. I have questions concerning the utility of the LED display that came with the kit. How useful is the display? Is it worth the wiring weight? Seems to me that that in-flight the pitot tube heat will be turned on in wx, and will either work or not, and the lights have little value. Anyone have any opinions? (Admittedly an oxymoron question for this group) Paul Valovich Ridgecrest, CA N192NM Reserved (Any CAG 19 Vietnam-era guys out there?) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2007
From: Jamie Painter <jamie(at)jpainter.org>
Subject: Re: Repairman's certificate application
Hi Gerry: On the recommendation of others, I called my local FSDO (Atlanta) and asked for an "Amateur-Built Registration Package". The first lady I spoke with knew exactly what I was talking about and sent me a rather large packet in the mail with example forms filled out and a huge collection of advisory circulars for all things related to certifying and flight testing our RVs. I was pleasantly surprised by the response and the speed with which I received the package. Best, Jamie http://rv.jpainter.org ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tailgummer(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 09, 2007
Subject: Re: Gertz Pitot Tube
I installed an LED on the "ON" side of the switch in my 8 to remind me "its on". John D'Onofrio N585JD ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: Gertz Pitot Tube
Date: Jan 09, 2007
Since it is automatic, it might be nice to know when it is coming on. Just an observation since I don't have that unit. Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Valovich, Paul Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:00 PM Subject: RV-List: Gertz Pitot Tube I am installing the wiring for the Gertz heated pitot tube on my RV-8A. I have questions concerning the utility of the LED display that came with the kit. How useful is the display? Is it worth the wiring weight? Seems to me that that in-flight the pitot tube heat will be turned on in wx, and will either work or not, and the lights have little value. Anyone have any opinions? (Admittedly an oxymoron question for this group) Paul Valovich Ridgecrest, CA N192NM Reserved (Any CAG 19 Vietnam-era guys out there?) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Repairman's certificate application
Date: Jan 09, 2007
Gerry, Here is the link to the AC on how to fill the application for repairman out . http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircula r.nsf/0/a61550959e374561862569ba0052b860/$FILE/AC65-23A.pdf Mike Robertson Das Fed From: gerf(at)gerf.comTo: rv-list(at)matronics.comDate: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:01:35 +0000Subject: RV-List: Repairman's certificate applicationJust downloaded F AA form 8610-2 "Airman Certificate An/Or Rating Application" - don't see an ything that relates to repairman's certificates for an Experimental. Anyon e got any guidance on how to complete this form ? Do I have the right form ?Thxg _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.- Get a customized station.- Try MSN Radio powe red by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2007
From: "David Leonard" <wdleonard(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bob Archer wingtip NAV antenna
I'm pretty sure you could use the marine unit to steer your autopilot Larry, it has NMEA output. You will probably need to hand enter most of the waypoints though, so it would be far less than ideal. However, putting the auto pilot to its "maintain current course" setting would work for most situations. I am most interested in a 396/496 to display traffic data from the 330 mode S transponder. I doubt the marine unit would do that. -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY My websites at: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com On 1/9/07, Larry Bowen wrote: > > > Interesting option. I wonder if one could still drive his AP with the > 376... > > -- > Larry Bowen > Larry(at)BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > Sam Buchanan wrote: > > > > > > I have been tempted to purchase one of Garmin's marine WX GPS's for the > > plane. Yes, the aeronautical ground or airspace info isn't there (but I > > already have a couple of other aviation GPS's) nor is winds aloft, but > > if all I want is a real-time picture of Nexrad then the $900 unit will > > work just fine. > > > > http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c > > > > Just keep the little boat away from the yellow and red stuff! :-) > > > > Sam Buchanan > > LOL Sam. That is a riot. I wonder what the GPS would think of a boat doing 200 kts.... at 10,000 feet. I wonder if it even has altitude data. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2007
From: Dave B <dbris200(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: GPS antenna under cowl
I think that most "metallic paint" today uses mylar for the flakes, not metal so there should be no problem, But you may still find paint that uses metal, so check before you use it. Dave PeterHunt1(at)aol.com wrote: > Bill S. asked if anyone had actually mounted a GPS antenna under the > engine cowl and then used metallic flake paint on the cowl. I did > just that and mine works great. I mounted my Garmin 530 GPS antenna > on a platform which I attached high and center on the engine side of > my firewall. The cowl and much of the rest of my airplane is painted > with a beautiful teal metal flake paint. I now have 200 hours on my > RV-6 and not the slightest problem with this GPS antenna > installation. I lock into a GPS signal quickly (within 30 seconds of > start up) and never had a problem losing it in flight. Further, > before I made this installation (during construction in 2004) I talked > with the Garmin people and they did not see any problems with my > installation. I do open my oil access door after flying, but that is > more to just help the whole engine compartment cool down. > > Pete in Clearwater, FL > RV-6, Reserve Grand Champion - Kit, 2006 Sun n' Fun > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf(at)gerf.com>
Date: Jan 10, 2007
Subject: Re: Repairman's certificate application
Perfect ! Thanks all for your comments. BTW ... I just heard that if you apply before the Airworthy Cert gets "in the system" they take the opportunity to get out the office and come vis it to check on your Special Airworthyness Certificate. g -----Original Message----- From: Mike Robertson [mailto:mrobert569(at)hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 03:17 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Repairman's certificate application Gerry, Here is the link to the AC on how to fill the application for repairman o ut. http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircu lar.nsf/0/a61550959e374561862569ba0052b860/$FILE/AC65-23A.pdf Mike Robertson Das Fed ------------------------------------------------------------ From: gerf(at)gerf.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:01:35 +0000 Subject: RV-List: Repairman's certificate application Just downloaded FAA form 8610-2 "Airman Certificate An/Or Rating Applicat ion" - don't see anything that relates to repairman's certificates for an Experimental. Anyone got any guidance on how to complete this form ? Do I have the right form ? Thx g t=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listp://forums.matronics .com ------------------------------------------------------------ Get free, personalized online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora. Tr ====== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "wskimike" <wskimike(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: spin testing with unexpected result
Date: Jan 09, 2007
I don't think I would have told that story. It sounds like somebody made a big Quality Assurance mistake. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Arnold de Brie To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: RV-List: spin testing with unexpected result Here is an interesting/scaring story about spin-testing my RV7-A My aerobatics instructor took the plane up to do some spin-testing by himself, sitting alone in the left seat. He returned very enthusiastic about the spin handling and other aerobatic capabilities of the plane. So there we went. The two of us, me left ( a bit nervous of course) and the instructor right. I climbed to 6000 feet and he should show me a 2 turn spin first. Two fast turns then opposite rudder, stick forward......and then he yelled at me keeping the right stick loose in his hand....RECOVER!!!!!!! So I had to do it myself and I mean all by myself. No problems however and we could have quite a good laugh about it. Lesson learnt here; we better find a way of securing this passenger stick. Arnold de Brie RV7A PH-PWP The Netherlands ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6(at)comcast.net>
Subject: spin testing and right control stick
Date: Jan 09, 2007
Thanks for the information, I believe it will help others. My companion pulled the stick out when she was doing a take off. It was held in with about 2 pounds of friction, but we hit a big bump at 200 feet msl. Then I made a permanent connection up to floor level and a 5/16 threaded rod connection into a brass insert (from pool cue hardware) to make the upper section removable. Dale (the cuemaker) RV6a 758 hours _____ From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Arnold de Brie Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:59 AM Subject: RV-List: spin testing with unexpected result Here is an interesting/scaring story about spin-testing my RV7-A My aerobatics instructor took the plane up to do some spin-testing by himself, sitting alone in the left seat. He returned very enthusiastic about the spin handling and other aerobatic capabilities of the plane. So there we went. The two of us, me left ( a bit nervous of course) and the instructor right. I climbed to 6000 feet and he should show me a 2 turn spin first. Two fast turns then opposite rudder, stick forward......and then he yelled at me keeping the right stick loose in his hand....RECOVER!!!!!!! So I had to do it myself and I mean all by myself. No problems however and we could have quite a good laugh about it. Lesson learnt here; we better find a way of securing this passenger stick. Arnold de Brie RV7A PH-PWP The Netherlands ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: GPS antenna under cowl
Date: Jan 09, 2007
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>
Mylar is reflective for RF, we used Mylar balloons in the Navy for targeting practice, and when it is coated its reflectivity can be increased to create chaff clouds or blooms. The only real way to tell or not is to paint a like surface with the type of paint you are going to use, place the antenna under it and test for signal acquisition. Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave B Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS antenna under cowl I think that most "metallic paint" today uses mylar for the flakes, not metal so there should be no problem, But you may still find paint that uses metal, so check before you use it. Dave PeterHunt1(at)aol.com wrote: > Bill S. asked if anyone had actually mounted a GPS antenna under the > engine cowl and then used metallic flake paint on the cowl. I did > just that and mine works great. I mounted my Garmin 530 GPS antenna > on a platform which I attached high and center on the engine side of > my firewall. The cowl and much of the rest of my airplane is painted > with a beautiful teal metal flake paint. I now have 200 hours on my > RV-6 and not the slightest problem with this GPS antenna > installation. I lock into a GPS signal quickly (within 30 seconds of > start up) and never had a problem losing it in flight. Further, > before I made this installation (during construction in 2004) I talked > with the Garmin people and they did not see any problems with my > installation. I do open my oil access door after flying, but that is > more to just help the whole engine compartment cool down. > > Pete in Clearwater, FL > RV-6, Reserve Grand Champion - Kit, 2006 Sun n' Fun > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 09, 2007
Subject: Re: GPS antenna under cowl
In a message dated 1/9/2007 7:25:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, LloydD R(at)wernerco.com writes: Mylar is reflective for RF, we used Mylar balloons in the Navy for targeting practice, and when it is coated its reflectivity can be increased to create chaff clouds or blooms. The only real way to tell or not is to paint a like surface with the type of paint you are going to use, place the antenna under it and test for signal acquisition. Just in case anyone is actually interested enough in science to care, Mylar (polyester) is not reflective for RF. Metallized Mylar however is reflective to RF because it (surprise) is metallized. GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 830hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 09, 2007
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca>
Subject: spin testing and right control stick
On 18:16 2007-01-09 "Dale Walter" wrote: > Thanks for the information, I believe it will help others. My > companion pulled the stick out when she was doing a take off. It was > held in with about 2 pounds of friction, but we hit a big bump at 200 > feet msl. Then I made a permanent connection up to floor level and a > 5/16 threaded rod connection into a brass insert (from pool cue > hardware) to make the upper section removable. 750 hours later it sounds like you might have a good solution, but just in case others try to duplicate this just consider that pool cue hardware is designed for loading along the axis of a pool cue. It's not designed to be bent back and forth at that joint as one would by exerting control forces on the stick. It may be that the loads are too low to matter for a good hefty cue joint, but i'd hate to see the spindle fatigue on someone because they didn't at least consider it. :) -Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 10, 2007
From: Jeff Dowling <shempdowling2(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: spin testing with unexpected result
I purchased a quick pin from West Marine. Be careful to mount it so the head doesnt interfere with the seat pan. Shemp Arnold de Brie wrote: > > Here is an interesting/scaring story about spin-testing my RV7-A > > My aerobatics instructor took the plane up to do some spin-testing by > himself, sitting alone in the left seat. > > He returned very enthusiastic about the spin handling and other > aerobatic capabilities of the plane. > > So there we went. The two of us, me left ( a bit nervous of course) > and the instructor right. > > I climbed to 6000 feet and he should show me a 2 turn spin first. > > Two fast turns then opposite rudder, stick forwardand then he > yelled at me keeping the right stick loose in his hand.RECOVER!!!!!!! > > So I had to do it myself and I mean all by myself. > > No problems however and we could have quite a good laugh about it. > > Lesson learnt here; we better find a way of securing this passenger stick. > > Arnold de Brie > > RV7A > > PH-PWP > > The Netherlands > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Pleasants" <jpleasants(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Repairman's certificate application
Date: Jan 11, 2007
Interesting. About two years ago, I called the Atlanta FSDO, and the gentleman I spoke to told me premptorily that "All that stuff is available on the web." To me, he seemed to be bored. End of conversation. I am delighted that you got a positive response. Jim Pleasants ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Painter" <jamie(at)jpainter.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Repairman's certificate application > > Hi Gerry: > > On the recommendation of others, I called my local FSDO (Atlanta) and > asked for an "Amateur-Built Registration Package". The first lady I > spoke with knew exactly what I was talking about and sent me a rather > large packet in the mail with example forms filled out and a huge > collection of advisory circulars for all things related to certifying > and flight testing our RVs. > > I was pleasantly surprised by the response and the speed with which I > received the package. > > Best, > Jamie > > http://rv.jpainter.org > > > -- 2:52 PM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ken Arnold" <arno7452(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Airplane Flying Handbook
Date: Jan 11, 2007
Listers, Not sure if this is open issue. However, if you want the subject document from FAA, put the following in your Google: "FAA-h-8083-3a" There are 7 files to download. Regards, Ken Arnold CH701 on order ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Andy Gold" <andygold(at)rkymtnhi.com>
Subject: Re: Airplane Flying Handbook
Date: Jan 11, 2007
Airplane flying Handbook is also available at PilotsBooks at this address: http://www.pilotsbooks.com/airplane_flying_handbook.htm As a regular book for $15.95 or e-Book for $8 The difference between our $8 e-Book and the FAA free version is that our's is a single download and ours is rasterized, making it fully searchable. Thanks, Andy PilotsBooks Builder's Bookstore 800 780-4115 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Arnold To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: RV-List: Airplane Flying Handbook Listers, Not sure if this is open issue. However, if you want the subject document from FAA, put the following in your Google: "FAA-h-8083-3a" There are 7 files to download. Regards, Ken Arnold CH701 on order ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Doug Weiler" <dcw(at)mnwing.org>
Subject: Items for sale
Date: Jan 11, 2007
Fellow Listers: I local RV builder not on the list has these items for sale if anyone is interested (don't know the price): 1 right magneto (usable as a core): Bendix S4 LN-20 p/n 10-51360-11M with iginition leads. 2600 hours total time. 1 Hitachi alternator D1019-15 1 Delco 12 volt generator 50A Send me a note and I'll put you in touch. Thanks Doug Weiler MN Wing Hudson, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 13, 2007
Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write software and such. How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a smoking hole ;o). Any comments or takers GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Great Idea that's time has come?
Date: Jan 13, 2007
From: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com>
Or, another take on it is to be able to dial into a number, then input the tail number or flight number. The program would send to your cell phone screen the departure time, current position, speed, altitude, ETA.....and so on. A map would be way way cool, but one step at a time. I haven't a clue how to pull this information together but it's obviously out there since FlightAware and the websites for each airline pulls the information down from the system. Where's Dan Checkoway....calling Dan Checkoway!!!! Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:27 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write software and such. How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a smoking hole ;o). Any comments or takers GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 13, 2007
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote: > Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. > > Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of > an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write > software and such. > > How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone > position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan > automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you > are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or > call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a > smoking hole ;o). > > Any comments or takers > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) Almost everyone reports poor to no performance with the new digital 'cell' phones when you're at altitude. On the other hand, the ham radio guys have a system that takes gps data & hands it, along with ID info the operator desires, to a radio that can use 'repeaters' & can transmit data (3 meter band??). The operator sets the update timing (seconds, minutes, hours, etc). The nearest repeater on the ground hands off the data to a web server that puts a moving dot on a map. Open source ELT that works. I'm not sure how complete the coverage is at this time, but the technology is so cheap that an organization like EAA should be able to motivate members to become hams & add 'nodes' (repeater stations) until coverage is total. Unlike cell phone towers, one repeater could serve a huge area if it's getting signals from several thousand feet in the air. I'm not a ham operator, but this system almost pushed me into getting my license. I know there are a lot of hams on this list; someone jump in here. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill VonDane" <bill(at)vondane.com>
Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
Date: Jan 13, 2007
MessageSounds very interesting... I will look into it and see what can be done... -Bill VonDane www.rv8a.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Jensen Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? Or, another take on it is to be able to dial into a number, then input the tail number or flight number. The program would send to your cell phone screen the departure time, current position, speed, altitude, ETA.....and so on. A map would be way way cool, but one step at a time. I haven't a clue how to pull this information together but it's obviously out there since FlightAware and the websites for each airline pulls the information down from the system. Where's Dan Checkoway....calling Dan Checkoway!!!! Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:27 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write software and such. How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a smoking hole ;o). Any comments or takers GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: Great Idea that's time has come?
Date: Jan 13, 2007
We do a similar thing in our application for the waste management industry. We update about every 2 minutes and show position on a map or a web map. The problem is we do use cell technology (data side) to send the updates. Cell signal doesn't work very well at altitude. Might need another medium to send the signals. At altitude however the signal can sure travel further. Tim _____ From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 12:27 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write software and such. How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a smoking hole ;o). Any comments or takers GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: Great Idea that's time has come?
Date: Jan 13, 2007
I am a Ham operator, but I don't have any idea how to do this. A local Ham club if somebody belongs would be a great place to get answers. Tim KC7UZK > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:26 AM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? > > > Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote: > > > Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. > > > > Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of > > an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write > > software and such. > > > > How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone > > position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan > > automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you > > are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or > > call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a > > smoking hole ;o). > > > > Any comments or takers > > > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > Almost everyone reports poor to no performance with the new digital > 'cell' phones when you're at altitude. > > On the other hand, the ham radio guys have a system that takes gps data > & hands it, along with ID info the operator desires, to a radio that > can use 'repeaters' & can transmit data (3 meter band??). The operator > sets the update timing (seconds, minutes, hours, etc). The nearest > repeater on the ground hands off the data to a web server that puts a > moving dot on a map. > > Open source ELT that works. I'm not sure how complete the coverage is at > this time, but the technology is so cheap that an organization like EAA > should be able to motivate members to become hams & add 'nodes' > (repeater stations) until coverage is total. Unlike cell phone towers, > one repeater could serve a huge area if it's getting signals from > several thousand feet in the air. > > I'm not a ham operator, but this system almost pushed me into getting my > license. > > I know there are a lot of hams on this list; someone jump in here. > > Charlie > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 13, 2007
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca>
Subject: Great Idea that's time has come?
On 9:46 2007-01-13 "Tim Bryan" wrote: > We do a similar thing in our application for the waste management > industry. We update about every 2 minutes and show position on a map > or a web map. The problem is we do use cell technology (data side) to > send the updates. Cell signal doesn't work very well at altitude. For what it's worth, in Canada cell phones work fine up to at least 5000' AGL. At least, that's as high as i've used one and had no problems with signal strength or quality. I'm not sure if there's something different about the way the cell networks are set up in the US, maybe there is. Oh, and I think the ham radio setup people are referring to is "packet radio", which sends "packets" of data over the ham network. I had a co-worker who used it along with a portable GPS to track the family van via a webpage. Really neat technology. -Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 13, 2007
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca>
Subject: Re: RE: Cracked canopy
On 10:09 2007-01-13 "n801bh(at)netzero.com" wrote: > Has anybody ever replaced just the back > half by making a template of the bad section?? or will he need to go > through the entire whole canopy thing?? thanks in advance, If he does end up needing (or just wanting) to replace the whole thing, point him to the Matronics Wiki on glueing the canopy instead. http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Gluing_Your_Canopy Glueing will bond the canopy in place without placing any localized stresses on the plexi like you will get with screws/rivets. -Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N122RL(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 13, 2007
Subject: Re: RE: Cracked canopy
Had the same thing happen to my 6-A two years ago in the same place. I glued the crack back together with some glue I got from ca. I then put a 1 in. backup along the inside of the crack. Have been waiting for the right time to replace the canopy. I can check to see what the stuff is that I used if you like, It really works great. Bob Lau 6-A 800 hrs. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
Subject: RE: Cracked canopy
Date: Jan 13, 2007
Here's an item from the RV list archives about repairing canopy cracks. There are lots more in there, but this should get you started. Terry Match: #15 Message: #102802 Date: Dec 10, 2002 From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: Canopy crack :-( Chris, I have a nearly identical crack in mine near the forward end of the skirt (on a tip up though) which happened while drilling. I stop drilled it, used Weldon 3 injected with a medical syringe (it is watery thin) and let it cure. Then I filled the stop-drill hole with epoxy, let that cure, and sanded it flush, then used Micro Mesh to fix the plexi. Turned out, well, not perfect, but not too bad, and better than a new canopy. A better solution (which I considered but abandoned) may have been to find or make a plug of plexi for the hole and glue it in with Weldon, then sand it flush. I played around quite a bit with the Weldon and scrap plexi. Based on my very un-scientific testing, it seems that the joint is about 50-75% as strong as unbroken plexi, judging by the force required to re-break the fused piece. Pretty amazing stuff. Never did try disolving plexi shavings though. Certainly I have plenty of them after cutting and drilling the canopy. I have 99.5% of the one quart can left, and you're welcome to it if you don't feel like waiting for AC$. Jeff Point -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Prior Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Cracked canopy On 10:09 2007-01-13 "n801bh(at)netzero.com" wrote: > Has anybody ever replaced just the back > half by making a template of the bad section?? or will he need to go > through the entire whole canopy thing?? thanks in advance, If he does end up needing (or just wanting) to replace the whole thing, point him to the Matronics Wiki on glueing the canopy instead. http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Gluing_Your_Canopy Glueing will bond the canopy in place without placing any localized stresses on the plexi like you will get with screws/rivets. -Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 13, 2007
From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
Hi, Charlie. Your reference is to APRS, operating typically on the 2m band, using a beacon mode known as Mic-E. I've read alot about it but never done it. Coverage is far from nationwide at this time, but high in metro areas, and the tracking info it provides is open data for all to view on the web. AIrcraft equipment requirement would be just a NMEA GPS cable to a 2m handie talkie with a Mic-E modem to key the beacon at appropriate intervals. Rubber duck antenna would suffice, I think. Google "APRS" for more than you ever wanted to know, except, it would seem, just how to put it into full operation. Kudo's to whomever can take us pilots the rest of the way there. ADS-B without the fees or the Feds :-) -Bill / Stormy On 1/13/07, Charlie England wrote: > > Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote: > > > Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. > > > > Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of > > an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write > > software and such. > > > > How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone > > position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan > > automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you > > are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or > > call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a > > smoking hole ;o). > > > > Any comments or takers > > > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) > > Almost everyone reports poor to no performance with the new digital > 'cell' phones when you're at altitude. > > On the other hand, the ham radio guys have a system that takes gps data > & hands it, along with ID info the operator desires, to a radio that > can use 'repeaters' & can transmit data (3 meter band??). The operator > sets the update timing (seconds, minutes, hours, etc). The nearest > repeater on the ground hands off the data to a web server that puts a > moving dot on a map. > > Open source ELT that works. I'm not sure how complete the coverage is at > this time, but the technology is so cheap that an organization like EAA > should be able to motivate members to become hams & add 'nodes' > (repeater stations) until coverage is total. Unlike cell phone towers, > one repeater could serve a huge area if it's getting signals from > several thousand feet in the air. > > I'm not a ham operator, but this system almost pushed me into getting my > license. > > I know there are a lot of hams on this list; someone jump in here. > > Charlie > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 13, 2007
From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
Cell antennas here in the USA seem to be angled down at the near horizon, with very sharp patterns in the E-plane. Coverage sucks above about 2500 AGL the times I've tried to use the phone aloft. I used to think they were somehow kicking me out for being aero mobile, but I think it's just poor sig strength and maybe a picket-fence type of flutter that makes the equipment drop the call. -Stormy On 1/13/07, Rob Prior wrote: > > On 9:46 2007-01-13 "Tim Bryan" wrote: > > We do a similar thing in our application for the waste management > > industry. We update about every 2 minutes and show position on a map > > or a web map. The problem is we do use cell technology (data side) to > > send the updates. Cell signal doesn't work very well at altitude. > > For what it's worth, in Canada cell phones work fine up to at least 5000' > AGL. At least, that's as high as i've used one and had no problems with > signal strength or quality. I'm not sure if there's something different > about the way the cell networks are set up in the US, maybe there is. > > Oh, and I think the ham radio setup people are referring to is "packet > radio", which sends "packets" of data over the ham network. I had a > co-worker who used it along with a portable GPS to track the family van via > a webpage. Really neat technology. > > -Rob > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 13, 2007
From: sarg314 <sarg314(at)comcast.net>
Subject: stainless screws
Is it acceptable to use stainless steel screws to mount things to the firewall? My local hardware store sells what appear to be high quality stainless screws. They certainly cost a lot more than ordinary steel screws. Seem pretty tough. However, I am aware that high temperatures (don't know how high) and vibration can work harden stainless steel. The guys at airflow performance commented to me that the stainless tubes that feed their fuel injectors get to be much stiffer and harder as the flight hours go by. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Great Idea that's time has come?
Date: Jan 13, 2007
Ham radio operators were using digital packet repeaters back in the 80"s. There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) (South East Digital Amateur's Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate with another operator in south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to setup a node. I had several set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m frequencies that cross linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. The Technology is there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more than likely designed to radiate horizontally. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9 N658RP Reserved If nothing changes Nothing changes -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote: > Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. > > Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of > an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write > software and such. > > How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone > position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan > automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you > are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or > call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a > smoking hole ;o). > > Any comments or takers > > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) Almost everyone reports poor to no performance with the new digital 'cell' phones when you're at altitude. On the other hand, the ham radio guys have a system that takes gps data & hands it, along with ID info the operator desires, to a radio that can use 'repeaters' & can transmit data (3 meter band??). The operator sets the update timing (seconds, minutes, hours, etc). The nearest repeater on the ground hands off the data to a web server that puts a moving dot on a map. Open source ELT that works. I'm not sure how complete the coverage is at this time, but the technology is so cheap that an organization like EAA should be able to motivate members to become hams & add 'nodes' (repeater stations) until coverage is total. Unlike cell phone towers, one repeater could serve a huge area if it's getting signals from several thousand feet in the air. I'm not a ham operator, but this system almost pushed me into getting my license. I know there are a lot of hams on this list; someone jump in here. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randall E Russell" <rer51(at)netscape.ca>
Subject: Flightline Interiors
Date: Jan 13, 2007
I am finishing my 9A and was interested in the seats and interior finish by Abby's Flightline Interiors. Any comments would be appreciated. Also if anyone has used her entire interior, I would appreciate photos showing what all is finished with her package. Randy C-FYOO ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com>
Subject: Re: Flightline Interiors
Date: Jan 13, 2007
Abby upholstered the Oregon Aero seats that I purchased (uncovered) and her work was first rate. Really perfect. Turn-around time was very short and the price was right. I recommend her very highly. n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "sportypilot" <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Flightline Interiors
Date: Jan 13, 2007
I feel the same way, her work is great and more than that she is the sweetest person to deal with, and will go the extra mile to get it exaclty like you want it.. I love mine.. Danny.. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Fasching To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Flightline Interiors Abby upholstered the Oregon Aero seats that I purchased (uncovered) and her work was first rate. Really perfect. Turn-around time was very short and the price was right. I recommend her very highly. n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bayne" <bjust(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Flightline Interiors
Date: Jan 14, 2007
Randy, Abby provides an excellent interior kit for the 9A. I completed the installation from baggage compartment to firewall on my 9A in one day. I will send photos to you. Bayne RV9A N910BJ Gillespie field, San Diego ----- Original Message ----- From: Randall E Russell To: RV-List Digest Server Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: RV-List: Flightline Interiors I am finishing my 9A and was interested in the seats and interior finish by Abby's Flightline Interiors. Any comments would be appreciated. Also if anyone has used her entire interior, I would appreciate photos showing what all is finished with her package. Randy C-FYOO ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1/12/2007 2:04 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Hopperdhh(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 14, 2007
Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit so many cell towers at once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock you out. Not sure if this is a fact, though. I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system) back in the early 90's too, but haven't kept up with what's going on lately. Dan Hopper RV-7A Ham call K9WEK In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bobperk(at)bellsouth.net writes: Ham radio operators were using digital packet repeaters back in the 80"s. There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) (South East Digital Amateur's Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate with another operator in south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to setup a node. I had several set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m frequencies that cross linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. The Technology is there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more than likely designed to radiate horizontally. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9 N658RP Reserved If nothing changes Nothing changes ________________________________________________________________________________
From: luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky)
Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
Date: Jan 14, 2007
There's a Sprint cell tower ON my airfield and I get the full 6 bars of strength when on the ground yet I've NEVER noticed the cell phone showing ready for use when flying. It's almost like it's smart enough to ignore my phone when I go faster than I would be in a car...I don't know what's really going on but I've just never got a signal while actually flying. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Hopperdhh(at)aol.com I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit so many cell towers at once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock you out. Not sure if this is a fact, though. I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system) back in the early 90's too, but haven't kept up with what's going on lately. Dan Hopper RV-7A Ham call K9WEK In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bobperk(at)bellsouth.net writes: Ham radio operators were using digital packet repeaters back in the 80"s. There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) (South East Digital Amateur's Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate with another operator in south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to setup a node. I had several set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m frequencies that cross linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. The Technology is there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more than likely designed to radiate horizontally. Bob Perkinson Hendersonville, TN. RV9 N658RP Reserved If nothing changes Nothing changes
There's a Sprint cell tower ON my airfield and I get the full 6 bars of strength when on the ground yet I've NEVER noticed the cell phone showing ready for use when flying. It's almost like it's smart enough to ignore my phone when I go faster than I would be in a car...I don't know what's really going on but I've just never got a signal while actually flying.

I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit so many cell towers at once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock you out. Not sure if this is a fact, though.

I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system) back in the early 90's too, but haven't kept up with what's going on lately.

Dan Hopper

RV-7A

Ham call K9WEK

In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bobperk(at)bellsouth.net writes:

--> RV-List message posted by: "Bob Perkinson" <bobperk(at)bellsouth.net>

Ham radio operators were using digital packet repeaters back in the 80"s.
There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) (South East Digital Amateur's
Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate with another operator in
south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to setup a node. I had several
set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m frequencies that cross
linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. The Technology is
there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more than likely designed to
radiate horizontally.

Bob Perkinson
Hendersonville, TN.
RV9 N658RP Reserved
If nothing changes
Nothing changes

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Date: Jan 14, 2007
Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
From: alan(at)reichertech.com
APRS is the "Automatic Packet Reporting System", sometimes erroneously calle the "Automatic Position Reporting System", but it does a lot more than just position. The position reporting implementation uses GPS messages fed to what is called a Terminal Node Controller which, essentially, takes the GPS data, formulates a proper APRS digital message, and punts it to a 2-meter radio for transmission. Once over the airwaves (and assuming good coverage), another station either receives the info and routes it to an internet server, or repeats it on the same frequency for broader coverage. The map on the internet is www.findu.com. Here is the current information on my own APRS station: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?call=KG4TVQ-1 The portion of the string "KG4TVQ" is my amateur radio ID. the "-1" is the ID of the APRS station I'm using. It is optional, but most hams use it to differentiate different APRS stations (one in each car, one in the house, etc). If I recall correctly, this ID can be anything between 1 and 15. I've just purchased some equipment to set up an APRS system to carry with me in my Skylane, consisting of a small GPS received by Deluo, a small TNC designed specifically for tracking, and a 2-meter handheld I have. There is a fellow in the DC area that had been doing this for a while. He flies AND sails with an APRS system. He does not have any recent flight data, but here is his web page on the subject: http://www.dellabarba.com/flying/tracking/tracking.html Remember, you need to be a licenses ham to do this. If you want to pursue that, check into http://www.arrl.org for licensing information. Probably more than you wanted to know.... - Alan On Sun, January 14, 2007 2:57 am, RV-List Digest Server wrote: > > > From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Great Idea that's time has come? > > > Hi, Charlie. Your reference is to APRS, operating typically on the 2m > band, using a beacon mode known as Mic-E. I've read alot about it but > never done it. Coverage is far from nationwide at this time, but high > in metro areas, and the tracking info it provides is open data for all > to view on the web. AIrcraft equipment requirement would be just a > NMEA GPS cable to a 2m handie talkie with a Mic-E modem to key the > beacon at appropriate intervals. Rubber duck antenna would suffice, I > think. Google "APRS" for more than you ever wanted to know, except, > it would seem, just how to put it into full operation. Kudo's to > whomever can take us pilots the rest of the way there. ADS-B without > the fees or the Feds :-) > > -Bill / Stormy > > On 1/13/07, Charlie England wrote: >> >> Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote: >> >> > Well, maybe an outstanding idea if user fees get past us. >> > >> > Since the list is a little slow lately, I thought I'd share a germ of >> > an idea with all you budding entrepreneurs who know how to write >> > software and such. >> > >> > How about a PC program that tracks your progress via cell phone >> > position technology and updates your pre-laid-in flight plan >> > automatically as you travel. It could even call you to check if you >> > are overdue, off course or whatever and either confirm your safety or >> > call the authorities to come and dig your mangy corpse out of a >> > smoking hole ;o). >> > >> > Any comments or takers >> > >> > GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 833hrs, Silicon Valley, CA) >> >> Almost everyone reports poor to no performance with the new digital >> 'cell' phones when you're at altitude. >> >> On the other hand, the ham radio guys have a system that takes gps data >> & hands it, along with ID info the operator desires, to a radio that >> can use 'repeaters' & can transmit data (3 meter band??). The operator >> sets the update timing (seconds, minutes, hours, etc). The nearest >> repeater on the ground hands off the data to a web server that puts a >> moving dot on a map. >> >> Open source ELT that works. I'm not sure how complete the coverage is at >> this time, but the technology is so cheap that an organization like EAA >> should be able to motivate members to become hams & add 'nodes' >> (repeater stations) until coverage is total. Unlike cell phone towers, >> one repeater could serve a huge area if it's getting signals from >> several thousand feet in the air. >> >> I'm not a ham operator, but this system almost pushed me into getting my >> license. >> >> I know there are a lot of hams on this list; someone jump in here. >> >> Charlie >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2007
From: T Chang <tc1234c(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Flightline Interiors
Randy, My 9A uses Abby's interiors. First rate job and services, she is highly recommondated. Following is a link to my webpage. http://tc1234c.googlepages.com/matingwingandfuselage2 Ted Chang RV-9A 112 Hours From: "Randall E Russell" <rer51(at)netscape.ca> Subject: Flightline Interiors I am finishing my 9A and was interested in the seats and interior finish by Abby's Flightline Interiors. Any comments would be appreciated. Also if anyone has used her entire interior, I would appreciate photos showing what all is finished with her package. Randy C-FYOO ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2007
From: T Chang <tc1234c(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Flightline Interiors
Randy, My 9A uses Abby's interiors. First rate job and services, she is highly recommondated. Following is a link to my webpage. http://tc1234c.googlepages.com/matingwingandfuselage2 Ted Chang RV-9A 112 Hours From: "Randall E Russell" <rer51(at)netscape.ca> Subject: Flightline Interiors I am finishing my 9A and was interested in the seats and interior finish by Abby's Flightline Interiors. Any comments would be appreciated. Also if anyone has used her entire interior, I would appreciate photos showing what all is finished with her package. Randy C-FYOO ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2007
From: Dave Nellis <truflite(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
I am not a cell phone expert, but I have a friend who is. I asked him about using cell phones in aircraft and below is his response as best as I can recall. Cell phone towers cover an area like an umbrella. Think of parents under umbrellas at a high school football game. The antennae for cell systems are directed slightly downward so they only cover so much area. This keeps five or six towers from picking up your call and tying up valuable airtime. When you use your cell in an airplane, you can send your signal to twenty towers, which the system is not designed to handle and may drop your call mainly due to not being able to pick the strongest signal, that is if it does in fact pick up your call. Put yourself at 30,000 feet and use your cell phone, you could pick up towers in three states. Dave --- Hopperdhh(at)aol.com wrote: > I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit > so many cell towers at > once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock > you out. Not sure if this > is a fact, though. > > I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system) > back in the early 90's > too, but haven't kept up with what's going on > lately. > > Dan Hopper > RV-7A > Ham call K9WEK > > > > > In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > bobperk(at)bellsouth.net writes: > > > Ham radio operators were using digital packet > repeaters back in the 80"s. > There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) > (South East Digital Amateur's > Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate > with another operator in > south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to > setup a node. I had several > set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m > frequencies that cross > linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. > The Technology is > there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more > than likely designed to > radiate horizontally. > > Bob Perkinson > Hendersonville, TN. > RV9 N658RP Reserved > If nothing changes > Nothing changes > It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RV7AODYSSEY(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 14, 2007
Subject: Re: Flightline Interiors
Hi, I also had purchased Oregon Aero seats for my &A and had abby cover. She did a great job, I also purchased the whole interior package from her. She was great to deal with, worked with me on color scheme and delivered when she said she would. Ed ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2007
From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Great Idea that's time has come?
Keep in mind there's a limited range on these cellular things even line-of-sight. doubt they can work a cell phone tower three states away- inverse, square law and flea power transmitter won't allow it. Great info on the APRS, Alan. So somebody's actually doing it... I had a 2m yaesu 40 watt FM rig in my RV panel for years. Got lots of "what's that?" questions from onlookers, but only used it maybe three times in the air to work other hams, finally took it out to shed the useless pounds. APRS was my intention, but I felt I knew less about APRS after reading Mpas, Tracks and Mobiles than before I read it, so set the whole idea aside. Now that coverage and internet connectivity is more national, it's time to dust off the idea agan, with an HT this time, instead of a panel mount. (No, I'm not putting the IC-7000 in the plane just yet!) At least I know who to contact for Elmer-ing ;-) Poor man's ADS-B, yeah! -Stormy / N4DLN On 1/14/07, Dave Nellis wrote: > > I am not a cell phone expert, but I have a friend who > is. I asked him about using cell phones in aircraft > and below is his response as best as I can recall. > > > Cell phone towers cover an area like an umbrella. > Think of parents under umbrellas at a high school > football game. The antennae for cell systems are > directed slightly downward so they only cover so much > area. This keeps five or six towers from picking up > your call and tying up valuable airtime. When you use > your cell in an airplane, you can send your signal to > twenty towers, which the system is not designed to > handle and may drop your call mainly due to not being > able to pick the strongest signal, that is if it does > in fact pick up your call. Put yourself at 30,000 > feet and use your cell phone, you could pick up towers > in three states. > > Dave > --- Hopperdhh(at)aol.com wrote: > > > I have heard that when you are at altitude, you hit > > so many cell towers at > > once that you confuse the system, causing it to lock > > you out. Not sure if this > > is a fact, though. > > > > I used to have a packet BBS (bulletin board system) > > back in the early 90's > > too, but haven't kept up with what's going on > > lately. > > > > Dan Hopper > > RV-7A > > Ham call K9WEK > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/13/2007 7:08:34 PM Eastern > > Standard Time, > > bobperk(at)bellsouth.net writes: > > > > > > Ham radio operators were using digital packet > > repeaters back in the 80"s. > > There was and might still be a network (SEDAN) > > (South East Digital Amateur's > > Network) set up where on 2m you could communicate > > with another operator in > > south FL. from middle TN. Takes very little to > > setup a node. I had several > > set up in the Gallatin, TN area on different 2m > > frequencies that cross > > linked with each other through an old 8088 computer. > > The Technology is > > there. As far as a cell signal the antenna are more > > than likely designed to > > radiate horizontally. > > > > Bob Perkinson > > Hendersonville, TN. > > RV9 N658RP Reserved > > If nothing changes > > Nothing changes > > > > > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV
Date: Jan 14, 2007
Listers, I would like to learn to perform basic aileron rolls in my RV-6. I suspect it isn't such a good idea to just go up and start trying it out. I am not interested in doing any higher G maneuvers and only want to do this for my own entertainment. Does anybody have a suggestion on how to learn to do them without getting hurt? Thanks a bunch Off list is fine Tim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV
Date: Jan 14, 2007
On 14 Jan 2007, at 14:45, Tim Bryan wrote: > > > Listers, > > I would like to learn to perform basic aileron rolls in my RV-6. I > suspect > it isn't such a good idea to just go up and start trying it out. I > am not > interested in doing any higher G maneuvers and only want to do this > for my > own entertainment. Does anybody have a suggestion on how to learn > to do > them without getting hurt? > Thanks a bunch > Off list is fine Basic aerobatics are not a good subject to learn via the internet. There is too much risk of a misunderstand leading to an accident. Find a local aerobatics instructor to go flying with you. It is easy to say that you only want to do rolls, and not any higher g vertical type manoeuvres, and that a one-g aileron roll is such a simple manoeuvre that it could be learned from an e-mail message. But, some folks have an inate desire to pull once they are upside down and lose sight of the sky. This could be fatal. Doing your first aerobatic manoeuvres with an instructor is cheap insurance. Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2007
From: Tedd McHenry <tedd(at)vansairforce.org>
Subject: Re: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007, Tim Bryan wrote: > Does anybody have a suggestion on how to learn to do them without getting > hurt? Tim: I'll begin by telling you what many other people will probably tell you: don't do it without competant aerobatic instruction. For me, that doesn't mean you have to hire an instructor or take an aerobatic course. There are plenty of non-instructors around with the right kind of experience who'd probably be willing to teach you how to do an aileron roll, just for the fun of it. But choose someone you have reason to believe truly does know what they're doing. If you do decide to self-teach, I recommend beginning with lazy eights. This is the method I use to begin doing aerobatics in an airplane that's new to me. Fly a coordinated lazy eight, beginning with fairly shallow pitch and bank angles and working your way up to more aggressive manoeuvres. Always have target speeds for the top and bottom of the lazy eight. Speed discipline is the thing most likely to keep you out of trouble, since "trouble" is most likely to be a stall or spin (at the top) and an over-stress or over-speed at the bottom. To find your target speeds, set slow cruise (55 or 65 percent power, for example) and target 20 mph below that speed for the top of the lazy eight and 20 mph above that speed for the bottom. Gradually expand the speed range as you get more aggressive. For an RV your maximum speed range should probably be 100 mph at the top and 180 mph at the bottom. That gives you decent margins from Vne and 1-G stall. Focus on two things: smoothness and hitting the target speeds. Be disciplined. If your target is 120 mph at the top of the lazy eight don't accept either 119 mph or 121 mph. If you blow through either speed by more than 5 mph, knock off the manoeuvre, return to level flight, and analyze why it happened. If you can't be sure why it happened, give up and find someone to teach you. You have to be sure you understand what's happening all the time. You really should have a G meter for this, and you should be able to smoothly fly lazy eights in the 100-180 mph speed range, at bank angles up to 90 degrees, without exceeding 2 G. (At no point should you hit 0 G, and there's really no reason to go below 1G.) Try to reach the point where you're flying the manoeuvre at a fixed stick pitch position, varying only the roll, but still hitting your numbers exactly. Then work on increasing the roll rate (which may require you to compress the speed range), until you are hitting full aileron deflection at times. Once you've reached that point you have enough control feel and judgement to attempt any rolling aerobatic manoeuvre (non-stalled). It will be obvious to you how to do an aileron roll. If it's not, give up and find someone to teach you. Tedd McHenry Surrey, BC, Canada ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2007
From: "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca>
Subject: Colin Walker - March 31, 1928 - January 10, 2007
Crossposting this to a few lists, so please check your reply destination carefully before hitting "send". --- It is my sad duty to report that Colin Walker, husband, father, grandfather, and former maker of one of North America's most popular wooden props for homebuilt aircraft, passed away peacefully on the morning of January 10th, 2007. Colin was a long-time member of Chapter 85 of the Recreational Aircraft Association of Canada, and was awarded a Lifetime membership in the chapter a number of years ago. Colin was a highly skilled craftsman, working with wood and fabric. His Piel Emeraude was an award winner when it first saw flight, and many pilots worldwide fly to this day with propellors crafted by his skilled hands. A celebration of Colin's life will be held on Sunday January 21st, starting at 2pm, at the East Delta Community Hall on Highway 10 (10379 Ladner Trunk Road), in Delta, BC. Friends will be given an opportunity to speak. In lieu of flowers, donations to the Salvation Army or the Canadian Museum of Flight will be appreciated. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2007
From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)charter.net>
Subject: Superior Recall followup
This weekend I swaped out my Superior cylinders and pistons. There was a recall on the cylinders because of soft barrels (the barrels were not hardened properly). You can read all about it on their web site: http://www.superiorairparts.com/index.asp If you missed the details that I found out, that are not listed in the recall here they are again: Here is some additional info that I found out. The FAA had them issue the Service Bulletin right away. They know who owns the cylinders that are recalled and will be sending out letters to the affective customers as soon as possible. To speed up the process they created the Quick check form link from the online service bulletin http://www.superiorairparts.com/sb0601/ this is were you can type in your serial numbers and find out if they are on the recall list. If they are, you need to fill out the online Warrenty Claims Form. They will use this info to process the recall. Manufacture date format info In the recall it shows were to find the date of manufacture of the cylinder from within serial number. The example shown is 52-F05-32055. F05 is the date code BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN FEB. 05' , It means June 05' A=JAN B=FEB C=MARCH D=APRIL E=MAY F=JUNE G=JULY H=AUG I=Is not used J=SEPT K=OCT L=NOV M=DEC -- Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/FinishingUpPg3.htm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Panama" <panamared5(at)brier.net>
Subject: Re: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV
Date: Jan 14, 2007
> > I would like to learn to perform basic aileron rolls in my RV-6. ..... > Does anybody have a suggestion on how to learn to do > them without getting hurt? > With an instructor. I know this has been said before, that is because it is important. You said you wanted to learn without getting hurt, that means using an instructor. Now, if all you want to do is kill yourself, no need of an instructor. A lot of really bad things can happen in aerobatics real fast. The key is to recognize the beginning of a bad maneuver and have a way out before it becomes a really bad maneuver. A beginner may not recognize the signs of a bad maneuver, therefore get help. In an RV, learning speed control is critical. Much more so that many purpose built aerobatic aircraft. Cruise speed is too close to Vne, by that I mean at normal cruise a Split S (or any other maneuver where the nose is pointed straight down or maybe 45 degrees down) will put you in excess of Vne and the designed G limits. Exceeding one is bad, but exceeding both is really bad! Now for the good part, once you learn how to fly the aerobatic maneuvers, they are so much fun in an RV, 90% of all my RV flying is aerobatics. Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6(at)comcast.net>
Subject: GA landing fee at KFLL
Date: Jan 15, 2007
Hi All FYI Just in case you don't get AOPA's ePilot or you missed this. If you think "well I don't go there so it doesn't brother me" think again. it's a foot in the door once they get it there, who's next. Jim Scroggins <http://jimscroggins.com/> 99714 EAA, AOPA, Florida Aero Club AOPA Close to Home ~ FORT LAUDERDALE SEEKS LANDING FEES FOR GA The aviation department at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International wants to impose on general aviation the same landing fee it charges the commercial planes-because, according to the airport, GA doesn't pay its fair share. AOPA contends that pilots should continue to support airport operations through the airport's fuel flowage fee and other charges not paid by commercial aircraft. The department proposes to charge 97 cents per 1,000 pounds of nominal gross landing weight for each GA landing, with a minimum fee of $10-that's the same amount it currently charges the airlines. "This minimum fee is especially objectionable," said AOPA's Florida Regional Representative Nelson Rhodes. "Take a Cessna 172, for example. With this $10 minimum, the pilot would have to pay four times what he would at 97 cents per thousand. That's paying too much. The fuel flowage fee adequately covers the cost for GA to operate at the airport." Under the current proposal, based GA aircraft would not be exempt from the landing fee. Airports typically grant an exemption from landing fees to aircraft based at an airport because they usually pay tiedown or hangar fees, fuel flowage fees, and other charges. A public hearing about this proposal will take place during the Broward County Commission meeting at 2 p.m. on Tuesday, January 23, at the Broward County Governmental Center in Room 422. Rhodes will be on hand to testify against the proposal. AOPA members are encouraged to attend and voice their opposition ________________________________________________________________________________
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
Subject: Flightline Interiors
Date: Jan 15, 2007
I also must say that I am very satisfied with her work. Michele RV8 Finishing _____ From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV7AODYSSEY(at)aol.com Sent: dimanche 14 janvier 2007 18:40 Subject: Re: RV-List: Flightline Interiors Hi, I also had purchased Oregon Aero seats for my &A and had abby cover. She did a great job, I also purchased the whole interior package from her. She was great to deal with, worked with me on color scheme and delivered when she said she would. Ed ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV
Date: Jan 15, 2007
Dont perform aerobatics without proper instruction. Know your limits and never exceed themthat applies to anything in an airplane, especially aerobatics. Example: Locally, a T-6 owner recently nearly pulled the wings off his T-6 when he attempted an aileron roll without knowing what he was doing. Half way through the roll he got disoriented, and pulled through a rolling split S. Besides going well over redline, he applied rolling gs to the wing. So bad was it, that my wife easily noticed all the wrinkles in the top surface of the wing. The wings were replaced$$ Considering what you have in your airplane time/money wise, and considering any family/friends you may have, you owe it to both to do it rightgo get some dual from a qualified instructor. I think you will find that it was the best money you spent, and the most fun you have had in an airplane! Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh(at)earthlink.net F1 Rocket #33 N240KT Memphis, TN. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Superior Engine vs. Firewall Forward Kit
Date: Jan 15, 2007
From: "Snow, Daniel A." <Daniel.Snow(at)wancdf.com>
I've run into a couple problems trying to match Van's Firewall Forward Kit with the Superior XP 0-320. The first is the control cable support plate that fits between the engine and the carburetor. The mixture cable threads do not reach to the plate, requiring some type of extension to be added to the plate. The second challenge is getting the FAB to mate with the carburetor. The main throat hole in the FAB mount plate will have to be enlarged, and the mounting holes will have to be redrilled to match the carburetor. The carburetor also has a protrusion on the bottom for which a new hole must be cut. Has anyone else encountered these problems and developed modifications? Daniel Snow RV-9A, Engine ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 15, 2007
From: "David Leonard" <wdleonard(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV
There has been a lot of great comments so far. The one thing I have not seen mentioned is getting a book on basic aerobatic flying. There are several available. Having spent the time with the book, you will understan d the mechanics of each maneuver and the potential pitfalls. This will then make your time with your instructor (aka, most RV pilots) much more effective and efficient. Dont forget to memorize the entry speeds published by Vans. David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY My websites at: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com On 1/15/07, Jeff Linebaugh wrote: > > Don't perform aerobatics without proper instruction. Know your limits an d > never exceed them=85that applies to anything in an airplane, especially > aerobatics. > > > Example: Locally, a T-6 owner recently nearly pulled the wings off his > T-6 when he attempted an aileron roll without knowing what he was doing. Half > way through the roll he got disoriented, and pulled through a rolling spl it > S. Besides going well over redline, he applied rolling g's to the wing. So > bad was it, that my wife easily noticed all the wrinkles in the top surfa ce > of the wing. The wings were replaced=85$$ > > > Considering what you have in your airplane time/money wise, and > considering any family/friends you may have, you owe it to both to do it > right=85go get some dual from a qualified instructor. I think you will f ind > that it was the best money you spent, and the most fun you have had in an > airplane! > > > *Jeff Linebaugh*** > > *jefflinebaugh(at)earthlink.net*** > > *F1 Rocket #33 N240KT*** > > *Memphis, TN.* > > > * > =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wings Purchase is Finally Here
Date: Jan 15, 2007
From: "Stephanie Marshall" <smarshall(at)netsystems.net>
Well we have finally reached the next step.....I am ordering the wings on Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am ordering them since Baron is in the Middle East somewhere right now or HE would be sending in THE order. Stephanie Marshall www.rv-8.info <http://www.rv-8.info/> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 15, 2007
From: "Bob J." <rocketbob(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV
Tim, a good book to read is "Better Aerobatics" by Alan Cassidy. I have read/thumbed through a few aerobatic books, and by far this one is the best. A couple of years ago I went up in my -6 with Greg Koontz, and learned a lot of good stuff from him, which just reiterated some things I read from the book. Up until that point I went up with a few experienced guys who showed me the ropes. But for the most part you will have to teach yourself and practice with plenty of altitude after you get someone competent to show you how, and I emphasize "competent" (someone who either does airshows or competitive acro). You'll be better, safer and have more confidence if you are properly taught. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
Subject: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV
Date: Jan 15, 2007
At the risk of being politically incorrect and accused of advocating dangerous antisocial behavior, I do know of one guy who taught himself aerobatics. It was awhile back, of course, and his name was Bob Hoover. Disclaimer: My guess is that if he were starting over today, he would read the books and take the lessons. Terry On 1/15/07, Jeff Linebaugh wrote: Don't perform aerobatics without proper instruction. Know your limits and never exceed them.that applies to anything in an airplane, especially aerobatics. Example: Locally, a T-6 owner recently nearly pulled the wings off his T-6 when he attempted an aileron roll without knowing what he was doing. Half way through the roll he got disoriented, and pulled through a rolling split S. Besides going well over redline, he applied rolling g's to the wing. So bad was it, that my wife easily noticed all the wrinkles in the top surface of the wing. The wings were replaced.$$ Considering what you have in your airplane time/money wise, and considering any family/friends you may have, you owe it to both to do it right.go get some dual from a qualified instructor. I think you will find that it was the best money you spent, and the most fun you have had in an airplane! Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh(at)earthlink.net F1 Rocket #33 N240KT Memphis, TN. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf(at)gerf.com>
Date: Jan 15, 2007
Subject: GRRRRRINNNNNNN !!!! N696WG First Flight !!
This morning N696WG (RV-9 #90842) flew into the ice blue skies over KHAF for the first time. What an incredible experience. Bart's Aerosport IO-320 hauled her off the runway like we were late for a n angel's wedding (and it didn't use a drop of oil). She flew hands off i mmediately. Its early days, but the first impression is that she didn't s eem to need much elevator trim changes throughout the power range ... or maybe I was just hanging on for grim death :-) Similarly rudder, both on climbout and during normal turns, the ball just seemed to want to be in t he center. I saw about 135 KIAS at 24 squared. 1/2 flaps stalled at about 42 KIAS. The whole experience was pretty intense - winds were much chopp ier than I expected up at 3,500 ft - didn't spend much time looking at th e gauges, although CHT's stayed comfortable despite my leaky baffles, oil temp was a bit on the low side. My bad ... forgot my downwind checklist and landed with no flaps. Now I'm wondering what the flaps are good for - she landed very predictably ... as close as I've been to a greaser for some time. The Hartzell constant s peed prop gave me superb control, really helps on final to control the de cent ... at least compared to the fixed pitch I've been flying recently. To all of you builders out there banging rivets, bored of the wings, brea king your back in the fuselage, cursing over the canopy frame and losing sleep over the engine install - KEEP AT IT !! The payback is indescribabl e. And now recognition for the co-conspirators: First to my partner Wayne for his unstinting faith, endless encouragement and many, many hours of help; to Dan Checkoway that constant voice of un common good sense; to Brian, Dave & Doug my fellow inmates at HAF - I gue ss we don't need to repack the parachute ;-); to Dennis T at WVI a fellow RV-9 driver, to Mike Seagar a gentleman and one of the best CFI's I've f lown with, and last but not least - Dick VanGrunsven and all the folks at Vans - what an incredible little plane :-) ... my thanks to y'all :-) g (My jaws aching from all this grinning :) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf(at)gerf.com>
Date: Jan 15, 2007
Subject: Re: Superior Engine vs. Firewall Forward Kit
I had similar experiences with my IO-320 on an RV-9 - I have the AFP fuel injection so I had to fabricate all my control cable terminations myself . I had to replace the stock fuel controller engine studs with longer one s, fabricate my own FAB mounting plate and re-glass the inlet to fit the canopy. You just gotta do what you gotta do to make it fit. g >-----Original Message----- >From: Snow, Daniel A. [mailto:Daniel.Snow(at)wancdf.com] >Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 06:43 AM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Superior Engine vs. Firewall Forward Kit > > >I've run into a couple problems trying to match Van's Firewall Forward >Kit with the Superior XP 0-320. The first is the control cable support >plate that fits between the engine and the carburetor. The mixture >cable threads do not reach to the plate, requiring some type of >extension to be added to the plate. > >The second challenge is getting the FAB to mate with the carburetor. >The main throat hole in the FAB mount plate will have to be enlarged, >and the mounting holes will have to be redrilled to match the >carburetor. The carburetor also has a protrusion on the bottom for >which a new hole must be cut. > >Has anyone else encountered these problems and developed modifications? > >Daniel Snow >RV-9A, Engine > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Wheeler North <wnorth(at)sdccd.edu>
Subject: aerobatics
Date: Jan 15, 2007
Well, It has already been said, but let's take it from another angle. There are only three bad things that can happen doing aerobatics, generally. 1. you hit the ground. 2. you rip the wings off and then hit the ground. 3. you unload the wings by entering a spin, then hit the ground. As you can see, there's a common denominator here. In spite of the many great stories of self learners as far as I know an instructor is one of the best ways to learn how to avoid the above without killing yourself. Disorientation and not following the plan is what causes the first. And blowing a manuver is what causes the second and third. So I would recommend you use an instructor to learn how to plan, how to reduce disorientation, how to avoid the second and how avoid and recover from the third while being totally disoriented and at any attitude. Then learn how to do a roll. I would also suggest you do this in a plane that has been fully vetted for the intended manuvers. As well you can probably see that the above applies to any form of flying so this instruction is not just for the joy of doing aerobatics, it will make you a safer pilot. And finally, Duane Cole's book "Roll around a point" was a good read but I must qualify that it was not the end all of teaching one on how to do a roll. W ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 15, 2007
From: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich(at)hst.nasa.gov>
Subject: Wood prop torque?
Folks I have a RV 6A with 180 hp O260 A1A using 1/2 inch prop bolts for a wood prop. What is the proper torque? How often to re-torque? Thanks in advance. Matthew M. Jurotich e-mail mail to: phone : 301-286-5919 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RV7AODYSSEY(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 15, 2007
Subject: Re: GRRRRRINNNNNNN !!!! N696WG First Flight !!
congradulations,well done. Ed ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 15, 2007
From: Jeff Dowling <shempdowling2(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: aerobatics
I forgot if Vans put it in the plans or if I saw it in the rvator but he explains how to do simple aerobatics in your rv. Shemp Wheeler North wrote: > > Well, > > It has already been said, but let's take it from another angle. > > There are only three bad things that can happen doing aerobatics, generally. > > 1. you hit the ground. > > 2. you rip the wings off and then hit the ground. > > 3. you unload the wings by entering a spin, then hit the ground. > > As you can see, there's a common denominator here. In spite of the many > great stories of self learners as far as I know an instructor is one of the > best ways to learn how to avoid the above without killing yourself. > > Disorientation and not following the plan is what causes the first. And > blowing a manuver is what causes the second and third. So I would recommend > you use an instructor to learn how to plan, how to reduce disorientation, > how to avoid the second and how avoid and recover from the third while being > totally disoriented and at any attitude. > > Then learn how to do a roll. > > I would also suggest you do this in a plane that has been fully vetted for > the intended manuvers. > > As well you can probably see that the above applies to any form of flying so > this instruction is not just for the joy of doing aerobatics, it will make > you a safer pilot. > > And finally, Duane Cole's book "Roll around a point" was a good read but I > must qualify that it was not the end all of teaching one on how to do a > roll. > > W > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: aerobatics
Date: Jan 15, 2007
In the builder's manual, allowed maneuvers, entry speeds, etc. are listed. In an RVator 2-3 years ago, he went into the subject of self taught aerobatics. The gist of the article was "It isn't recommended, but since you're gonna do it anyway, here's some advice to reduce your chances of getting killed." KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling2(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: aerobatics > > I forgot if Vans put it in the plans or if I saw it in the rvator but he > explains how to do simple aerobatics in your rv. > > Shemp > > > Wheeler North wrote: >> >> Well, >> >> It has already been said, but let's take it from another angle. >> >> There are only three bad things that can happen doing aerobatics, >> generally. >> >> 1. you hit the ground. >> >> 2. you rip the wings off and then hit the ground. >> >> 3. you unload the wings by entering a spin, then hit the ground. >> >> As you can see, there's a common denominator here. In spite of the many >> great stories of self learners as far as I know an instructor is one of >> the >> best ways to learn how to avoid the above without killing yourself. >> >> Disorientation and not following the plan is what causes the first. And >> blowing a manuver is what causes the second and third. So I would >> recommend >> you use an instructor to learn how to plan, how to reduce disorientation, >> how to avoid the second and how avoid and recover from the third while >> being >> totally disoriented and at any attitude. >> >> Then learn how to do a roll. >> >> I would also suggest you do this in a plane that has been fully vetted >> for >> the intended manuvers. >> >> As well you can probably see that the above applies to any form of flying >> so >> this instruction is not just for the joy of doing aerobatics, it will >> make >> you a safer pilot. >> >> And finally, Duane Cole's book "Roll around a point" was a good read but >> I >> must qualify that it was not the end all of teaching one on how to do a >> roll. >> W >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
Subject: Learning Basic Aileron rolls in an RV
Date: Jan 16, 2007
I feel that I must add my 2 cents as one very important issue has not been raised. All responses have said that before you try any aerobatics you should train with a competent instructor. That=92s IOTTMCO (intuitively obvious to the most casual observer). I did exactly that ' a total of 30 hours training on CAP 10 with two instructors. The first one trained me in all the basic manoeuvres (rolls, snap rolls, loops, hammerheads, chandelles=85), the second one started out with spins, all sorts of spins, and how to get out of them. This was a real eye opener. I definitely believe that one should be trained in recognizing and getting out of unusual situations as you never know what position the plane will be in if you mess up a manoeuvre. An example, you try a loop and for some reason, you enter it with insufficient speed. Just as you get to the top, the plane stalls upside down. Question: what do you do? If you have not practice spins in general, not just simply the two turn spin, you might be in deep trouble. This being said, I feel that the first instructor, with whom I started aerobatic training, was negligent in not starting me on the flight envelope and spins. Furthermore, it=92s fun. I for one enjoyed every minute of the Cap 10 training and will go for more training as soon as circumstances allow.

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