RV-Archive.digest.vol-so
January 30, 2007 - February 11, 2007
> Today @ 8:45 AM N-898SC RV-8 QB took to the air and flew just like
> an RV with a 0-360 and a hartzell prop. Left wing is a touch heavy but
> just a sweet flying plane.
>
> This kit was # 80533. The tail kit changed hands 3 times before I
> ended up with it.
> It took 3 hurricanes and one divorce to build. which is about 2.5 years
>
> Paint should happen before Sun-N-Fun by "Florida Aircraft Painting" in
> Bartow FL.
>
> Thanks to Duke Raven of Lakeland for bucking rivets.
> Thanks to Brian Parrish of Lakeland for his help.
>
> Thankyou Vans for a great aircraft.
>
> Sal Capra
> N-898SC
> Lakeland, FL.
>
>
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From: | "Ernie & Margo" <ekells(at)sympatico.ca> |
Subject: | Re: Blast tubes or not? |
RE: Subject: Re: RV-List: Blast tubes or not:
Harry's remarks about service life are very good. I have blast tubes on the
following:
front ram air - alternator, on the rear baffle - both mags and the fuel
pump.
I have no vacuum pump installed Did I overdo it - maybe. Will I suffer for
it? Definitely not! Mony well spent ( < $5.00).
>
> One to the B&C alternator, one to each of the mags and one to the vacuum
> pump on my -6. Only needed if you care about doing whatever you can to
> ensure long service life from those components.
>
> --
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6 N16CX, 310 hours
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)charter.net>
>>
>> I'm close to being done, do I need to install blast tube to the mag and
>> to the alternator? What have you guys done.
>>
>> --
>> Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY
>> Visit my RV7A website:
>> http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/FinishingUpPg3.htm
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From: | Hopperdhh(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: RV Grin Report |
Way to go Sal. Really a quick job of building considering the obstacles.
Congratulations!
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
In a message dated 1/30/2007 3:05:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CBRxxDRV(at)aol.com writes:
01/30/07
Today @ 8:45 AM N-898SC RV-8 QB took to the air and flew just like
an RV with a 0-360 and a hartzell prop. Left wing is a touch heavy but
just a sweet flying plane.
This kit was # 80533. The tail kit changed hands 3 times before I ended up
with it.
It took 3 hurricanes and one divorce to build. which is about 2.5 years
Paint should happen before Sun-N-Fun by "Florida Aircraft Painting" in Bartow
FL.
Thanks to Duke Raven of Lakeland for bucking rivets.
Thanks to Brian Parrish of Lakeland for his help.
Thankyou Vans for a great aircraft.
Sal Capra
N-898SC
Lakeland, FL.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | <jbario(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Mounting throttle and mixture cables |
We are beginning to install the accessories on our Superior parallel
valve O-360 that has fuel injection and a composite sump. In talking
with Van's, they said they had no info on this configuration and
couldn't offer any help on how the throttle and mixture cables are
routed and mounted on the engine. If anyone has done this, I would
appreciate any pointers or pictures you could provide
Thanks, Jim Barrilleaux
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | mkejrj(at)comcast.net |
Subject: | Re: Mounting throttle and mixture cables |
Jim,
I have the same configuration . I fabricated a metal bracket which I mounted
under the composite sump using the four threaded mounting points provided.The
bolts were safety wired.This mounted the throttle cable.I used Van's kit to mount
the mixture control.
Somewhere I have my shop drawings. No promises but if you send me your snail
mail address off line I will photo same and send them....That is if I can find
them.
Superior wrote me recently that they were replacing the Ryton sump with a metal
unit under development.Hopefully the same mount will work.
Dick Jordan
N888BZ
RV8A
-------------- Original message --------------
From: <jbario(at)sbcglobal.net>
We are beginning to install the accessories on our Superior parallel valve O-360
that has fuel injection and a composite sump. In talking with Van's, they said
they had no info on this configuration and couldn't offer any help on how
the throttle and mixture cables are routed and mounted on the engine. If anyone
has done this, I would appreciate any pointers or pictures you could provide
Thanks, Jim Barrilleaux
Jim,
I have the same configuration . I fabricated a metal bracket
which I mounted under the composite sump using the four threaded mounting points
provided.The bolts were safety wired.This mounted the throttle cable.I used
Van's kit to mount the mixture control.
Somewhere I have my shop drawings. No promises but if you send
me your snail mail address off line I will photo same and send them....That
is if I can find them.
Superior wrote me recently that they were replacing the Ryton
sump with a metal unit under development.Hopefully the same mount will work.
Dick Jordan
N888BZ
RV8A
We are beginning to install the accessories on our Superior parallel
valve O-360 that has fuel injection and a composite sump. In talking
with Van's, they said they had no info on this configuration and couldn't
offer any help on how the throttle and mixture cables are routed and mounted
on the engine. If anyone has done this, I would appreciate any pointers
or pictures you could provide
Thanks, Jim Barrilleaux
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a(at)earthlink.net> |
Subject: | Re: RV Grin Report |
Congratulations on another flying Rv in Florida.If you contact Lorene at
lorenewashburn(at)hotmail.com she will put you on the FL RV list and send
you a notice of the various fly-ins we have. We try to go somewhere once
a month.
Ollie 6A Loves Landing
----- Original Message -----
From: CBRxxDRV(at)aol.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV Grin Report
01/30/07
Today @ 8:45 AM N-898SC RV-8 QB took to the air and flew just like
an RV with a 0-360 and a hartzell prop. Left wing is a touch heavy but
just a sweet flying plane.
This kit was # 80533. The tail kit changed hands 3 times before I
ended up with it.
It took 3 hurricanes and one divorce to build. which is about 2.5
years
Paint should happen before Sun-N-Fun by "Florida Aircraft Painting" in
Bartow FL.
Thanks to Duke Raven of Lakeland for bucking rivets.
Thanks to Brian Parrish of Lakeland for his help.
Thankyou Vans for a great aircraft.
Sal Capra
N-898SC
Lakeland, FL.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Charles Rowbotham" <crowbotham(at)hotmail.com> |
Sal,
CONGRATULATIONS and WELL DONE !!
Chuck & Dave Rowbotham
RV-8A
>From: CBRxxDRV(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: RV Grin Report
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:59:13 EST
>
>01/30/07
>
>Today @ 8:45 AM N-898SC RV-8 QB took to the air and flew just like
>an RV with a 0-360 and a hartzell prop. Left wing is a touch heavy but
>just a sweet flying plane.
>
>This kit was # 80533. The tail kit changed hands 3 times before I ended up
>with it.
>It took 3 hurricanes and one divorce to build. which is about 2.5 years
>
>Paint should happen before Sun-N-Fun by "Florida Aircraft Painting" in
>Bartow
>FL.
>
>Thanks to Duke Raven of Lakeland for bucking rivets.
>Thanks to Brian Parrish of Lakeland for his help.
>
>Thankyou Vans for a great aircraft.
>
>Sal Capra
>N-898SC
>Lakeland, FL.
_________________________________________________________________
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Academy Awards
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From: | Dave Cudney <yenduc(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Mounting throttle and mixture cables |
Jim:
I too have the same set up -- I used the mixture set up from Vans and
also used Vans
prop gov. hardware. I used the eye ball mounts through the fire
wall. I fabricated a throttle cable
mount out of .063 sheet steel that uses two adjacent bolts on the
Ryton sump. It looks good
and the cable run is nice and straight. One of the Matronics
listeners sent me pictures of the one
he fabricated and I made one similar to his. I fabricated three of
them until I got one I liked --
pretty simple to do I used a cheep metal brake that I got from Harbor
Freight for ten bucks or so.
If you want I'll try to find the pictures he sent and get pics of
the one I ended up with. I too hope
that Superior's new sump is similar enough to the Ryton that I don't
have to repeat the whole
process again.
best wishes
dave (in the midst of wiring and the cowling)
on Jan 31, 2007, at 6:12 AM, mkejrj(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Jim,
> I have the same configuration . I fabricated a metal bracket
> which I mounted under the composite sump using the four threaded
> mounting points provided.The bolts were safety wired.This mounted
> the throttle cable.I used Van's kit to mount the mixture control.
>
> Somewhere I have my shop drawings. No promises but if you send
> me your snail mail address off line I will photo same and send
> them....That is if I can find them.
>
> Superior wrote me recently that they were replacing the Ryton
> sump with a metal unit under development.Hopefully the same mount
> will work.
>
> Dick Jordan
> N888BZ
> RV8A
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: <jbario(at)sbcglobal.net>
> We are beginning to install the accessories on our Superior
> parallel valve O-360 that has fuel injection and a composite sump.
> In talking with Van's, they said they had no info on this
> configuration and couldn't offer any help on how the throttle and
> mixture cables are routed and mounted on the engine. If anyone
> has done this, I would appreciate any pointers or pictures you
> could provide
>
> Thanks, Jim Barrilleaux
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List_-
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From: | <december29(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Wing bolt torque values |
Hi there,
Attaching the wings and looking for torque settings for the bolts. AN-4 at
50-70 inch pounds (two bolts into the center web of the spar), AN5 at 100-140
inch pounds (rear spar). Now for the close tolerance bolts I am thinking to
use the approx diameter and go with those settings. For the big boys, NAS 1307-
50 (they approx 7/16) so going 450-500 inch pounds and the smaller NAS1304-50
(approx 1/4) I am going 50-70 inch pounds.
This is for an RV-8 with the new wing. Does this sound right? Does anyone
have any "better" numbers?
Thanks for the help.
John
80002
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Hopperdhh(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Wing bolt torque values |
In a message dated 1/31/2007 1:36:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
december29(at)bellsouth.net writes:
Hi there,
Attaching the wings and looking for torque settings for the bolts. AN-4 at
50-70 inch pounds (two bolts into the center web of the spar), AN5 at 100-140
inch pounds (rear spar). Now for the close tolerance bolts I am thinking to
use the approx diameter and go with those settings. For the big boys, NAS
1307-
50 (they approx 7/16) so going 450-500 inch pounds and the smaller NAS1304-50
(approx 1/4) I am going 50-70 inch pounds.
This is for an RV-8 with the new wing. Does this sound right? Does anyone
have any "better" numbers?
Thanks for the help.
John
80002
John,
I like that serial number.
Those are the numbers I used on my -7A and the wings haven't fallen off in
over 2 years.
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Dave Cudney <yenduc(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Engraved Gas caps |
I remember several months ago there was some mention about someone
doing engraving of gas caps.
I seem to have misplaced the reference. Does anyone have a reference
for me?
Thanks
dave
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Engraved Gas caps |
Dave Cudney wrote:
>
>
> I remember several months ago there was some mention about someone
> doing engraving of gas caps.
>
> I seem to have misplaced the reference. Does anyone have a reference
> for me?
>
> Thanks
> dave
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 1/31/2007 3:16 PM
>
>
Here's one.
http://www.engravers.net/aircraft/fuel_caps.htm
Carlos in AZ
RV-7A (finishing elevators)
--
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Structural Engineers, LLC
2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3
Chandler, AZ 85224
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From: | "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com> |
Subject: | Re: Engraved Gas caps |
http://www.rvengraving.com
Bill Esther does a good job imho.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
www.rvproject.com
www.weathermeister.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Cudney" <yenduc(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engraved Gas caps
>
>
> I remember several months ago there was some mention about someone
> doing engraving of gas caps.
>
> I seem to have misplaced the reference. Does anyone have a reference
> for me?
>
> Thanks
> dave
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Engraved Gas caps |
i had my caps engraved on a 202. be sure to put your n number on them so
they dont 'walk away'.
any jewelry shop can engrave them.
m n m
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Engraved Gas caps |
From: | <John.Morrissey(at)csiro.au> |
To "N" number or not?
I would have thought that in a country that likes suing each other as
much as you guys do the last thing you would do is engrave an
identification number on something that can fall off an airplane and
drop through someone's roof
Just a thought :-)
BTW we in Australia are not far behind you guys.
Cheers
John
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of PittsS1(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 1 February 2007 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engraved Gas caps
i had my caps engraved on a 202. be sure to put your n number on them so
they dont 'walk away'.
any jewelry shop can engrave them.
m n m
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From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
Subject: | Re: Engraved Gas caps |
At 03:49 PM 1/31/2007, you wrote:
>i had my caps engraved on a 202. be sure to put your n number on them so
>they dont 'walk away'.
>
>any jewelry shop can engrave them.
Don't know about a "202" or jewelry store but I had one done at a trophy
store and the results SUCK.
Ron Lee
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From: | Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net> |
Was that RV-List Rick Gray from the buffalo farm in Ohio that went down
here in Oregon today out of Troutdale?
If it is I want to congratulate him on a Fine job of handling a engine
out and landing on a street without hurting or hitting
anything major.
Sorry to hear about damage to an aircraft he had only owned for a few
minutes. :-(
Jerry
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From: | Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net> |
Just a follow up to add the Koin TV report from Portland Or.
http://tinyurl.com/2y787n
Jerry Springer wrote:
>
> Was that RV-List Rick Gray from the buffalo farm in Ohio that went
> down here in Oregon today out of Troutdale?
> If it is I want to congratulate him on a Fine job of handling a engine
> out and landing on a street without hurting or hitting
> anything major.
> Sorry to hear about damage to an aircraft he had only owned for a few
> minutes. :-(
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
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From: | <dwhite17(at)columbus.rr.com> |
Subject: | Re: Blast tubes or not? |
We installed two blast tubes to the alternator, one to the vaccuum pump, one
to each of the mags, and one to cool the fuel transducer which comes close
to the exhaust pipe.
David White
RV6 Flying
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Hester" <bobbyhester(at)charter.net>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:59 PM
Subject: RV-List: Blast tubes or not?
>
> I'm close to being done, do I need to install blast tube to the mag and to
> the alternator? What have you guys done.
>
> --
> Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY
> Visit my RV7A website:
> http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/FinishingUpPg3.htm
>
>
>
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From: | "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com> |
YES it is Rick Gray from the Buffalo Farm, Ohio.
Several of your friends up there in the North-Wet have been in touch with
him.
I gave the president of your EAA Chapter his Cell phone number.
There is lots of chatter about this on OhioValleyRVator group and VAF
forums.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=14841
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,977 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
----Original Message Follows----
From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net>
Subject: RV-List: Rick Gray
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:22:32 -0800
Was that RV-List Rick Gray from the buffalo farm in Ohio that went down here
in Oregon today out of Troutdale?
If it is I want to congratulate him on a Fine job of handling a engine out
and landing on a street without hurting or hitting
anything major.
Sorry to hear about damage to an aircraft he had only owned for a few
minutes. :-(
Jerry
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Subject: | Re: pilot's family awarded $10.5M |
From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
There will be a hearing on this case next week. I have obtained the EAA motion
from John Wiegenstein, an RV builder and an attorney who was kind enough to do
some of the legwork for me. And today I received the plaintiff's response to
the motion.
I'm working on the story now and it will be in the RV Builder's Hotline, hopefully,
on Friday or Saturday.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92002#92002
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From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
The article suggests that it was a brand new aircraft. First question mark.
Probably just new to him.
Then the landing point was perhaps 20 miles from departure (Sandy). So the
"owning for a few minutes" seems accurate as least as far as flying "his"
plane.
It will be interesting to find out why he was forced down so soon after
take-off.
It also seems like his landing point was essentially an extended final for
runway 7 at Troutdale.
Ron Lee
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From: | "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner(at)comcast.net> |
I am sure glad to hear Rick Gray himself talk about his controlled
landing in that Neighborhood!
A good landing is one you can walk away from..... GODSPEED!
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From: | "Jerry Isler" <jlisler(at)alltel.net> |
Subject: | Price Increase Rant |
Today I placed a small order with Aircraft Spruce and was shocked at the
price increases that have occured in the past year. I am in the final stages
of completing my RV4 and needed a few minor items to finish off some small
details. I always study the aircraft builders bible (ACS catalog) before
ordering on line and was aware of the advertized price in the catalog. I was
also aware that my catalog was a 2005/2006 edition and that the prices most
likely had gone up. Well the prices had gone up 34% over the advertized
price in the catalog . We are talking in one year! Whats the inflation rate?
Maybe 5 or 6%? I just don't see a 34% increase. My wages don't increase at
that rate per year. Everyone talks about attracting new persons into
aviation but how many would take the plunge if they new prices for the
material they are going to need is going to cost 1/3 more each year? Whats
the game plan here? Bleed everyone death so that there will not be any
general aviation in the future? It all seems self defeating. Drive your
customer base out of flying and then you go next.
Maybe I should take up bass fishing. At least I could eat some fish that I
catch in my $40,000 Ranger Bass boat that I pull to the lake in my $45,000
diesel pick-up truck.
ACS does have excellent customer service though. I guess I just have to pay
for it.
I feel much better now.
Jerry Isler
RV4 N455J
Donalsonville, GA
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Russell Daves" <dav1111(at)cox.net> |
Subject: | Re: Engraved Gas caps |
If you are going to put a lawyer's N number on the fuel cap remember
that almost everyone loves their own lawyer, it is the other lawyers
that they hate.
Russ Daves
N710RV - RV-10 flying
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
A couple years ago I noticed the same thing, to a smaller extent. I
questioned it while on the phone with them. The rep's answer was very
rude and defensive. When possible, I've shopped at Wicks ever since.
There *are* alternatives...
--
Larry Bowen, RV-8/7
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Jerry Isler wrote:
>
> Today I placed a small order with Aircraft Spruce and was shocked at the
> price increases that have occured in the past year. I am in the final
> stages
> of completing my RV4 and needed a few minor items to finish off some small
> details. I always study the aircraft builders bible (ACS catalog) before
> ordering on line and was aware of the advertized price in the catalog. I
> was
> also aware that my catalog was a 2005/2006 edition and that the prices
> most
> likely had gone up. Well the prices had gone up 34% over the advertized
> price in the catalog . We are talking in one year! Whats the inflation
> rate?
> Maybe 5 or 6%? I just don't see a 34% increase. My wages don't increase at
> that rate per year. Everyone talks about attracting new persons into
> aviation but how many would take the plunge if they new prices for the
> material they are going to need is going to cost 1/3 more each year? Whats
> the game plan here? Bleed everyone death so that there will not be any
> general aviation in the future? It all seems self defeating. Drive your
> customer base out of flying and then you go next.
>
> Maybe I should take up bass fishing. At least I could eat some fish that I
> catch in my $40,000 Ranger Bass boat that I pull to the lake in my $45,000
> diesel pick-up truck.
>
> ACS does have excellent customer service though. I guess I just have to
> pay
> for it.
>
> I feel much better now.
>
> Jerry Isler
> RV4 N455J
> Donalsonville, GA
>
>
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From: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr> |
Subject: | ACS pricing was Engraved Gas caps |
Once businesses get large and become dominant in a market, after having
wiped out competition, they increase their prices. I think we may be
facing
such a scenario. We as shoppers may be also to blame, I include myself
as it
is so easy for my fingers to do the walking in the ACS catalog, mainly
for
lots of small stuff ' a few washers, a few bolts=85 and an occasional
somewhat
pricey item and then to simply place the order. Repeated behaviour of
this
sort is noticed by ACS=92 management ' they probably figure to price
items
based on what the market is willing to pay. It is a free economy after
all.
In their defence, I understand that the price of steel and aluminium has
gone up tremendously in the last 18 months.
I suggest that we look at the ACS catalog organisation: hardware,
electrical, airframe parts=85 and to propose on the list alternative
sources.
Mich=E8le
RV8 - Finishing
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From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves
Sent: jeudi 1 f=E9vrier 2007 12:17
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engraved Gas caps
If you are going to put a lawyer's N number on the fuel cap remember
that
almost everyone loves their own lawyer, it is the other lawyers that
they
hate.
Russ Daves
N710RV - RV-10 flying
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Price Increase Rant |
From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
Jerry,
Good rant, man. Of course, your $85,000 rig to catch some pan fish does
put things in perspective. My paying job is not defending ACS, but I
will tell you that their money grab may not be a bold and shameless as
it may appear. We build some fairly large equipment that consumes
everything from several hundred pounds of stainless, to instruments, to
nuts/bolts/screws. We would love to have gotten by with only a 33%
increase on many of these items.
Anything that has a shipping component to it, be it inbound or outbound
or is non-retail, the price jumps have been WAY above the rate of
inflation. The CPI is based, for the most part of foodstuffs and retail
items. Target, Sams, Wallys, et al have ensured that retail items have
increased only modestly---but not so for specialty items.
Anyhow, until one does a direct comparison on purchased items from ACS,
Wicks and others, on items that are new to their stock (which fully
reflect their new prices, not some old dusty back-shelf item) can we
judge whether a little gougin' is goin' on.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Isler
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
Today I placed a small order with Aircraft Spruce and was shocked at the
price increases that have occured in the past year. I am in the final
stages
of completing my RV4 and needed a few minor items to finish off some
small
details. I always study the aircraft builders bible (ACS catalog) before
ordering on line and was aware of the advertized price in the catalog. I
was
also aware that my catalog was a 2005/2006 edition and that the prices
most
likely had gone up. Well the prices had gone up 34% over the advertized
price in the catalog . We are talking in one year! Whats the inflation
rate?
Maybe 5 or 6%? I just don't see a 34% increase. My wages don't increase
at
that rate per year. Everyone talks about attracting new persons into
aviation but how many would take the plunge if they new prices for the
material they are going to need is going to cost 1/3 more each year?
Whats
the game plan here? Bleed everyone death so that there will not be any
general aviation in the future? It all seems self defeating. Drive your
customer base out of flying and then you go next.
Maybe I should take up bass fishing. At least I could eat some fish that
I
catch in my $40,000 Ranger Bass boat that I pull to the lake in my
$45,000
diesel pick-up truck.
ACS does have excellent customer service though. I guess I just have to
pay
for it.
I feel much better now.
Jerry Isler
RV4 N455J
Donalsonville, GA
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2(at)starband.net> |
Subject: | Engraved Gas caps |
I got prices from 3 places for doing similar engraving on my throttle
quadrant:
Full Throttle Concepts (Dave Czachorowski) was the least expensive, and he's
doing my quadrant now.
Also, there's Bill Esther and Wayne Cahoon. Bill was the most expensive.
Wayne - http://www.engravers.net/
Bill - http://www.rvengraving.com/
Dave - http://www.rivethead-aero.com/
brian
http://brian76.mystarband.net/RV-7Ahome.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cudney
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Engraved Gas caps
I remember several months ago there was some mention about someone
doing engraving of gas caps.
I seem to have misplaced the reference. Does anyone have a reference
for me?
Thanks
dave
>
>
--
11:30 PM
--
3:16 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2(at)starband.net> |
Subject: | Price Increase Rant |
I think their customer service is TERRIBLE.
http://brian76.mystarband.net/vendors.htm
brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Isler
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
Today I placed a small order with Aircraft Spruce and was shocked at the
price increases that have occured in the past year. I am in the final stages
of completing my RV4 and needed a few minor items to finish off some small
details. I always study the aircraft builders bible (ACS catalog) before
ordering on line and was aware of the advertized price in the catalog. I was
also aware that my catalog was a 2005/2006 edition and that the prices most
likely had gone up. Well the prices had gone up 34% over the advertized
price in the catalog . We are talking in one year! Whats the inflation rate?
Maybe 5 or 6%? I just don't see a 34% increase. My wages don't increase at
that rate per year. Everyone talks about attracting new persons into
aviation but how many would take the plunge if they new prices for the
material they are going to need is going to cost 1/3 more each year? Whats
the game plan here? Bleed everyone death so that there will not be any
general aviation in the future? It all seems self defeating. Drive your
customer base out of flying and then you go next.
Maybe I should take up bass fishing. At least I could eat some fish that I
catch in my $40,000 Ranger Bass boat that I pull to the lake in my $45,000
diesel pick-up truck.
ACS does have excellent customer service though. I guess I just have to pay
for it.
I feel much better now.
Jerry Isler
RV4 N455J
Donalsonville, GA
--
11:30 PM
--
3:16 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Dave Cudney <yenduc(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Engraved Gas caps |
Thanks
dave
On Feb 1, 2007, at 6:40 AM, Brian Meyette wrote:
>
>
> I got prices from 3 places for doing similar engraving on my throttle
> quadrant:
>
> Full Throttle Concepts (Dave Czachorowski) was the least expensive,
> and he's
> doing my quadrant now.
> Also, there's Bill Esther and Wayne Cahoon. Bill was the most
> expensive.
>
> Wayne - http://www.engravers.net/
> Bill - http://www.rvengraving.com/
> Dave - http://www.rivethead-aero.com/
>
> brian
> http://brian76.mystarband.net/RV-7Ahome.htm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cudney
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:12 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Engraved Gas caps
>
>
> I remember several months ago there was some mention about someone
> doing engraving of gas caps.
>
> I seem to have misplaced the reference. Does anyone have a reference
> for me?
>
> Thanks
> dave
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> 11:30 PM
>
> --
> 3:16 PM
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | RV6 Rudder "Trim Tab?" |
From: | "Tram" <Tramsootru(at)gmail.com> |
Hey fella's..
In my last flight the "trim" tab on the rudder apparently flew off during flight..
Just curious as to whether or not anyone knows if I could pick one of these up
from Van's?
We did not build our bird and it appears the builder just epoxied it to the rudder,
over the paint..
Just curious if there is a better way to mount it to the rudder, as to prevent
this from happening again?
Thanks
Jeff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92083#92083
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Price Increase Rant |
Got a gift card for Christmas for $100.00 from the wife who attempted to buy
the MA-1 Silver XXL jacket that the ACS 2005-2006 (red one) had listed as
$89.95. They were out of stock so she bought the card. She also bought me an
Icom handheld A-6 radio that was almost a hundred less than advertised in
the same catalog.
I ordered the jacket 1-19-2007 on-line, used the gift card and was advised
that it would be ordered drop shipped. Price ?...$89.95 plus tax & shipping.
Estimated delivery date, within 14 days AFTER 2-4-2007. Jacket arrived
Tuesday 1-30-2007. Tax & shipping added less than $20.00. KABONG Do Not
Archive HRII N561FS
"I shall return", fair price & service as promised.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
>
> Jerry,
>
> Good rant, man. Of course, your $85,000 rig to catch some pan fish does
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
Subject: | RV6 Rudder "Trim Tab?" |
Hi Jeff,
I just bought one from here.
http://www.epm-avcorp.com/trimtab.html
They recommend using double sided tape after painted so shouldn't be a
problem.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tram
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:46 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: RV6 Rudder "Trim Tab?"
>
>
> Hey fella's..
>
> In my last flight the "trim" tab on the rudder apparently flew off during
> flight..
>
> Just curious as to whether or not anyone knows if I could pick one of
> these up from Van's?
>
> We did not build our bird and it appears the builder just epoxied it to
> the rudder, over the paint..
>
> Just curious if there is a better way to mount it to the rudder, as to
> prevent this from happening again?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92083#92083
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Oliver Washburn" <ollie6a(at)earthlink.net> |
Subject: | Re: RV6 Rudder "Trim Tab?" |
I have never lost one using double back tape. Quick & easy.
Ollie 6A Central FL.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tram" <Tramsootru(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: RV-List: RV6 Rudder "Trim Tab?"
>
> Hey fella's..
>
> In my last flight the "trim" tab on the rudder apparently flew off during
> flight..
>
> Just curious as to whether or not anyone knows if I could pick one of
> these up from Van's?
>
> We did not build our bird and it appears the builder just epoxied it to
> the rudder, over the paint..
>
> Just curious if there is a better way to mount it to the rudder, as to
> prevent this from happening again?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92083#92083
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Greg Williams" <mr.gsun(at)gmail.com> |
Has somebody put a list together of survival kit items for a cross country?
How about RV tool-kit & supplies?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Leland and Anne <federigo(at)pacbell.net> |
Subject: | Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks |
A California painter sprays on non-slip wing-walks. The neat part of
these is that they can be the same color as the aircraft, as opposed to
the black rubber stick-ons that Van's sells. Does anybody have an idea
of the formulation of these wing-walks?
Leland
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Bob <panamared5(at)brier.net> |
Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
Exxon Mobile just posted the single largest profit of any US company ever,
$39.5 billion for last year with a 6% decline in profits during the 4th
QTR!!!!. Now that is something to rant about.
You know, they could give away 100LL avgas and it would hardly affect their
bottom line. So why are they charging $4.25/gal at my local airport?
Answer: Because they can, and if you show up here and need gas, you will pay.
Bob
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Emergency Kit |
In the sleeve/shoulder pocket of my mil-issue nomex flight suit, I
carry a little vacuum-packed home made bundle with the following:
space blanket, signal mirror, butane lighter, pen knife, wax paper
wrapper (tinder). The barest survival basics. Adding a flat rescue
whistle would have been a nice touch, and maybe a keychain LED
flashlight, but I used what I had on hand that would pack into a deck
of cards-sized package and went with that.
That's a mere suppliment to what I know I should carry but don't
always, including a good down sleeping bag in wintertime, even for
local flights. Always dress for a night alone in the woods at the
expected temperatures, when putt-putting around in the ol' RV.
-Stormy
Forgot to mention that I usually CCW a sidearm, which has other
survival uses besides defense.
On 2/1/07, Greg Williams wrote:
> Has somebody put a list together of survival kit items for a cross country?
> How about RV tool-kit & supplies?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
Subject: | Re: Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks |
At 10:02 AM 2/1/2007, you wrote:
>
>A California painter sprays on non-slip wing-walks. The neat part of these
>is that they can be the same color as the aircraft, as opposed to the
>black rubber stick-ons that Van's sells. Does anybody have an idea of the
>formulation of these wing-walks?
>Leland
Same color as the wing sounds good but a contrasting color is easier to see
and
avoid stepping on an area that should not be stepped on.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
Subject: | Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks |
For non-skid decks on boats way back when, crushed walnut shells were
sometimes added to the paint. There may be modern-day substitutes, but I
would be a little concerned if the paint is light colored. It would seem to
me that this non-skid works like a doormat and would show dirt unless it's
about the color of the dirt.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Leland and Anne
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: RV-List: Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks
A California painter sprays on non-slip wing-walks. The neat part of
these is that they can be the same color as the aircraft, as opposed to
the black rubber stick-ons that Van's sells. Does anybody have an idea
of the formulation of these wing-walks?
Leland
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca> |
Subject: | Re: Icom-Battery |
For what it's worth... I ordered replacement batteries for my IC-A22 from
Kendoo batteries (http://www.kendoo.com). They were the cheapest
replacement solution, and i'm still using the Kendoo battery today, 8 years
later.
Here's a link to their page for the IC-A23:
<http://www.kendoo.com/radio.asp?Org_Mfg=Icom&Application=IC-A23>
-Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
Bob wrote:
>
> Exxon Mobile just posted the single largest profit of any US company
> ever, $39.5 billion for last year with a 6% decline in profits during
> the 4th QTR!!!!. Now that is something to rant about.
Exxon's 2006 revenue was reported as $377.64 billion. The $39.5 billion
profit represents about a 10% margin that, while pretty good for a
humongous corporation, is certainly not out of line. Corporations often
expect to see a 10% profit on revenue.
The energy industry is bigger than most of us can comprehend and the
large number of zeros can skew our perspective.
Sam Buchanan
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | HCRV6(at)comcast.net |
Subject: | Always been satisfied with Spruce service |
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
Now we are dancing around the edges of the truth.
Who supplies inflation numbers?
When's the last time they told you the truth?
Can you think of any (other) lies they've told you lately?
Charlie
Chuck Jensen wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
> Good rant, man. Of course, your $85,000 rig to catch some pan fish does
> put things in perspective. My paying job is not defending ACS, but I
> will tell you that their money grab may not be a bold and shameless as
> it may appear. We build some fairly large equipment that consumes
> everything from several hundred pounds of stainless, to instruments, to
> nuts/bolts/screws. We would love to have gotten by with only a 33%
> increase on many of these items.
>
> Anything that has a shipping component to it, be it inbound or outbound
> or is non-retail, the price jumps have been WAY above the rate of
> inflation. The CPI is based, for the most part of foodstuffs and retail
> items. Target, Sams, Wallys, et al have ensured that retail items have
> increased only modestly---but not so for specialty items.
>
> Anyhow, until one does a direct comparison on purchased items from ACS,
> Wicks and others, on items that are new to their stock (which fully
> reflect their new prices, not some old dusty back-shelf item) can we
> judge whether a little gougin' is goin' on.
>
> Chuck Jensen
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Isler
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:03 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
>
>
>
> Today I placed a small order with Aircraft Spruce and was shocked at the
>
> price increases that have occured in the past year. I am in the final
> stages
> of completing my RV4 and needed a few minor items to finish off some
> small
> details. I always study the aircraft builders bible (ACS catalog) before
>
> ordering on line and was aware of the advertized price in the catalog. I
> was
> also aware that my catalog was a 2005/2006 edition and that the prices
> most
> likely had gone up. Well the prices had gone up 34% over the advertized
> price in the catalog . We are talking in one year! Whats the inflation
> rate?
> Maybe 5 or 6%? I just don't see a 34% increase. My wages don't increase
> at
> that rate per year. Everyone talks about attracting new persons into
> aviation but how many would take the plunge if they new prices for the
> material they are going to need is going to cost 1/3 more each year?
> Whats
> the game plan here? Bleed everyone death so that there will not be any
> general aviation in the future? It all seems self defeating. Drive your
> customer base out of flying and then you go next.
>
> Maybe I should take up bass fishing. At least I could eat some fish that
> I
> catch in my $40,000 Ranger Bass boat that I pull to the lake in my
> $45,000
> diesel pick-up truck.
>
> ACS does have excellent customer service though. I guess I just have to
> pay
> for it.
>
> I feel much better now.
>
> Jerry Isler
> RV4 N455J
> Donalsonville, GA
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
> Bob wrote:
>
>>
>> Exxon Mobile just posted the single largest profit of any US company
>> ever, $39.5 billion for last year with a 6% decline in profits during
>> the 4th QTR!!!!. Now that is something to rant about.
>
>
>
> Exxon's 2006 revenue was reported as $377.64 billion. The $39.5 billion
> profit represents about a 10% margin that, while pretty good for a
> humongous corporation, is certainly not out of line. Corporations often
> expect to see a 10% profit on revenue.
>
> The energy industry is bigger than most of us can comprehend and the
> large number of zeros can skew our perspective.
>
> Sam Buchanan
I wouldn't disagree that zeros can skew perspective, but profit to
revenue is a meaningless ratio, no matter what your accountant tries to
tell you. What's their return on investment & how great is their risk?
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | G McNutt <gmcnutt(at)shaw.ca> |
Subject: | Re: Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks |
A different point of view is that the wing walk should stand out from
the wing so that exiting passengers will only step on the black wing walk
If the wing walk is same color as wing it should have a colored (red)
outline.
George in Langley BC
Leland and Anne wrote:
>
> A California painter sprays on non-slip wing-walks. The neat part of
> these is that they can be the same color as the aircraft, as opposed
> to the black rubber stick-ons that Van's sells. Does anybody have an
> idea of the formulation of these wing-walks?
> Leland
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Price Increase Rant |
From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
Sam, with all due respect, the argument about 10% - 15% profits being
'reasonable' is a bit specious. Size if everything. If a small
business only earned 10% profit, they would be out of business tomorrow,
but for a commodities business operating on a mega-scale; a 10% - 15%
profit margin is humongous. This is not to make light of the large
investment oil companies make, but one should not mistake volume of
business (measured in $) with the size of the enterprise. A jeweler,
working out of his back room may sell a single $10,000,000
diamond...that does not make his a $10,000,000 business. Oil companies
conduct huge transactional business every year, but Mobil is not as big
as $377B in revenue would seem to indicate.
For commodities and for enterprises on the scale of oil companies, a
3%-5% profit is very handsome indeed. And remember, the $39B profit was
what they admitted to--after their accountants and cross border
maneuvering employed every machination know to man to minimize the
reported profit, knowing full well the rightful hew and cry that would
arise.
Mobile is getting no sympathy card from me.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
Bob wrote:
>
> Exxon Mobile just posted the single largest profit of any US company
> ever, $39.5 billion for last year with a 6% decline in profits during
> the 4th QTR!!!!. Now that is something to rant about.
Exxon's 2006 revenue was reported as $377.64 billion. The $39.5 billion
profit represents about a 10% margin that, while pretty good for a
humongous corporation, is certainly not out of line. Corporations often
expect to see a 10% profit on revenue.
The energy industry is bigger than most of us can comprehend and the
large number of zeros can skew our perspective.
Sam Buchanan
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Greg Williams" <mr.gsun(at)gmail.com> |
Anybody have a source for a very detailed chart showing RPM and Manifold
pressure settings for a IO-360 and Hartzell C/S prop? The books for both
Lycoming and Hartzell don't have what I'd like to keep in my RV-7. Greg
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker(at)optonline.net> |
Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
Uuum, not that I disagree with the gist of what you are saying, but what
makes you think that a small business must make more than 10% to stay in
business??? Profit is what is left after all expenses - including
salaries for the owners, etc. As long as a business breaks even after
all expenses it can stay in business as long as the owners want it to.
A not unusual method of operating a small business is to make sure there
are no profits at all. Distribute any potential profits to the owners
and employees as salary and/or bonus and the profit disappears. No
profits and the business pays no taxes!
Dick Tasker
Chuck Jensen wrote:
>
>Sam, with all due respect, the argument about 10% - 15% profits being
>'reasonable' is a bit specious. Size if everything. If a small
>business only earned 10% profit, they would be out of business tomorrow,
>but for a commodities business operating on a mega-scale; a 10% - 15%
>profit margin is humongous. This is not to make light of the large
>investment oil companies make, but one should not mistake volume of
>business (measured in $) with the size of the enterprise. A jeweler,
>working out of his back room may sell a single $10,000,000
>diamond...that does not make his a $10,000,000 business. Oil companies
>conduct huge transactional business every year, but Mobil is not as big
>as $377B in revenue would seem to indicate.
>
>For commodities and for enterprises on the scale of oil companies, a
>3%-5% profit is very handsome indeed. And remember, the $39B profit was
>what they admitted to--after their accountants and cross border
>maneuvering employed every machination know to man to minimize the
>reported profit, knowing full well the rightful hew and cry that would
>arise.
>
>Mobile is getting no sympathy card from me.
>
>Chuck Jensen
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:32 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
>
>
>Bob wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Exxon Mobile just posted the single largest profit of any US company
>>ever, $39.5 billion for last year with a 6% decline in profits during
>>the 4th QTR!!!!. Now that is something to rant about.
>>
>>
>
>
>Exxon's 2006 revenue was reported as $377.64 billion. The $39.5 billion
>profit represents about a 10% margin that, while pretty good for a
>humongous corporation, is certainly not out of line. Corporations often
>expect to see a 10% profit on revenue.
>
>The energy industry is bigger than most of us can comprehend and the
>large number of zeros can skew our perspective.
>
>Sam Buchanan
>
>
>
>
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From: | Reuven Silberman <pilots2(at)yahoo.com> |
Greg,
I was in the same boat a little over a year ago when we first began flying our
7A (IO360 / CS prop). The book that came with the engine (new from Aerosport)
had graphs in them but they were so small as to make them virtually unreadable
and useless. I called Lycoming and they sent me a 8 1/2 x 11 blow-up of the
power chart. After several hours of magnafying glass and ruler interpolations
I was able to WAG 25"/2500 as a takeoff power setting and I run 22"/2400 cruse
which gives me about 10GPH.
If anyone has a better chart I would like a copy also.
Reuven
N7WT
KSEE
Greg Williams wrote: Anybody have a source for a very detailed
chart showing RPM and Manifold pressure settings for a IO-360 and Hartzell
C/S prop? The books for both Lycoming and Hartzell don't have what I'd like
to keep in my RV-7. Greg
"No pressure, no diamonds".
~Thomas Carlyle
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: pilot's family awarded $10.5M |
From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
I published the Hotline a day early (email subscribers will get it tomorrow), because
I finished the story today. But it's now available online.
EAA asks court to overturn verdict in RV crash trial (http://rvhotline.expercraft.com/articles/2007/eaa_court_motion.html)
Or the whole shootin' match
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92199#92199
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Matt Reeves <mattreeves(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Aircraft Spruce's price matching information |
I have been a customer of Aircraft Spruce for over 20 years. Let's face it, no
other company has as much in one place as Aircraft Spruce and their catalog
is second to none. Their catalogs educated me thousands of times over the years
which is worth a great deal to me that someone has gone to all that effort
to describe products. I read just about every page of their catalog every year.
Products change, improve, and material costs do increase - it happens - which
is why I always get the most current catalog or even better, check their current
pricing on their website. All companies do that, not just aircraft part
companies.
I have purchased products from all other competitors and have had a few problems
over the years but Aircraft Spruce ALWAYS does a great job. I have even had
the owner of the company follow up to make sure I was satisfied. I have never
had that happen with any other competitor.
I just found this on Aircraft Spruce's website:
"Aircraft Spruce will NOT be undersold!
Aircraft Spruce works hard to bring you low prices. If you have found a better
price for an item at another authorized dealer, we will do everything possible
to meet or beat that price.
Price matching is only applicable to identical conditions of sale. The item must
be in stock at the other authorized dealer (not a floor sample, "open box" item,
refurbished or demo piece). This offer applies to new purchases only. For
price adjustments on existing orders, please fill out the below form and click
submit. You will find a price match link at the bottom of each product page.
"
That's the official word from Aircraft Spruce. I love them and know they do
care about their customers. I can speak from personal experience. They are
not in the business to rip anyone off. If you think their is an unfair price,
go to their website and click on the price matching information link and I bet
you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Matt, Danny, Ben, Mikhail, and Jesse Reeves
All aircraft builders, Oshkosh, and Sun N Fun elite members and all around good
guys.
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From: | Fiveonepw(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Spray-on non-skid Wing Walks |
In a message dated 02/01/2007 12:01:42 PM Central Standard Time,
ronlee(at)pcisys.net writes:
Same color as the wing sounds good but a contrasting color is easier to see
and
avoid stepping on an area that should not be stepped on.
>>>>
Not after-the-fact stuff, but if you haven't painted yet, this worked well
for me and has held up nicely for almost 2 years so far:
http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5276
>From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark
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From: | Jim Oke <wjoke(at)shaw.ca> |
Subject: | Re: Price Increase Rant |
FWIW, I picked up my latest Aircraft Spruce order yesterday. The voice
on the phone when I ordered was friendly and helpful, the order was made
up and shipped promptly and arrived neatly and well packaged. The
Aircraft Spruce pricing on an obscure size of 4130 streamline tubing was
also about 40% less than Wicks (in that size, other sizes were
comparable, some were higher).
So overall, and just for the record, my latest customer service with the
guys in Corona was quite positive.
Generally steel and aluminum prices are all well up over the past year
or two. Just the worldwide commodity market, good if you own a mine or a
steel mill, less good if you are an end customer.
Jim Oke
RV-3, RV-6A
Wpg., MB
Brian Meyette wrote:
>
> I think their customer service is TERRIBLE.
> http://brian76.mystarband.net/vendors.htm
>
> brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Isler
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:03 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Price Increase Rant
>
>
> Today I placed a small order with Aircraft Spruce and was shocked at the
> price increases that have occured in the past year. I am in the final stages
> of completing my RV4 and needed a few minor items to finish off some small
> details. I always study the aircraft builders bible (ACS catalog) before
> ordering on line and was aware of the advertized price in the catalog. I was
> also aware that my catalog was a 2005/2006 edition and that the prices most
> likely had gone up. Well the prices had gone up 34% over the advertized
> price in the catalog . We are talking in one year! Whats the inflation rate?
> Maybe 5 or 6%? I just don't see a 34% increase. My wages don't increase at
> that rate per year. Everyone talks about attracting new persons into
> aviation but how many would take the plunge if they new prices for the
> material they are going to need is going to cost 1/3 more each year? Whats
> the game plan here? Bleed everyone death so that there will not be any
> general aviation in the future? It all seems self defeating. Drive your
> customer base out of flying and then you go next.
>
> Maybe I should take up bass fishing. At least I could eat some fish that I
> catch in my $40,000 Ranger Bass boat that I pull to the lake in my $45,000
> diesel pick-up truck.
>
> ACS does have excellent customer service though. I guess I just have to pay
> for it.
>
> I feel much better now.
>
> Jerry Isler
> RV4 N455J
> Donalsonville, GA
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "David Leonard" <wdleonard(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: pilot's family awarded $10.5M |
Ok, that seems pretty much like the details.. Thanks Bob
NOW can we lynch the plantif lawyers???
:-)
Dave Leonard
On 2/1/07, Bob Collins wrote:
>
>
> I published the Hotline a day early (email subscribers will get it
> tomorrow), because I finished the story today. But it's now available
> online.
>
> EAA asks court to overturn verdict in RV crash trial (
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com/articles/2007/eaa_court_motion.html)
>
> Or the whole shootin' match
>
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=92199#92199
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
My websites at:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vp4skydoc/index.html
http://leonardiniraq.blogspot.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
I guess I don't understand your settings. There are two versions of
Lycoming IO360, with many variants, 180 and 200hp. AFAIK both are rated
at 2700 rpm. My -A1A engine is 200hp at 2700 and 29 inches for takeoff,
and once I am above safe altitude I reduce to 2600 for cruise climb.
Cruise at 2500 and 24" normally. You might want to talk to Hartzell, as
most of their props on the versions of the engine without dynamic
counterweights have rpm restrictions in th 2000-2350 range. The Cardinal
and Mooney versions, -A1B6 or A3B6 are the counterweighted version
cranks that reduce the rpm restrictions at cruise rpms, but add some at
low power settings below 15".
Reuven Silberman wrote:
> Greg,
>
> I was in the same boat a little over a year ago when we first began
> flying our 7A (IO360 / CS prop). The book that came with the engine
> (new from Aerosport) had graphs in them but they were so small as to
> make them virtually unreadable and useless. I called Lycoming and
> they sent me a 8 1/2 x 11 blow-up of the power chart. After several
> hours of magnafying glass and ruler interpolations
> I was able to WAG 25"/2500 as a takeoff power setting and I run
> 22"/2400 cruse which gives me about 10GPH.
>
> If anyone has a better chart I would like a copy also.
>
> Reuven
> N7WT
> KSEE
> */Greg Williams /* wrote:
>
> Anybody have a source for a very detailed chart showing RPM and
> Manifold pressure settings for a IO-360 and Hartzell C/S prop?
> The books for both Lycoming and Hartzell
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "n801bh(at)netzero.com" <n801bh(at)netzero.com> |
Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce's price matching information |
When I started on my Zenith 801 back in 2001 I bought almost everything
I needed for it from ACS. The only thing they were not competitive on w
ere clecos, so I got them from another place. For the first year or so t
he servoce was PERFECT, and I mean that. then slowly they started with d
elayed shipping. You know, stating it would go out that same day and the
n taking a few days later to ship it even though they said it was in sto
ck. Then a couple of years into my project I needed all my stuff for my
panel. I priced it out with them on the phone and then shopped it at sev
eral other vendors, they were the highest by a few thousand bucks and Pa
cific Coast Avionics got my business. I did give them a chance to at lea
st get closer in price but the answer from them was . " thats the best w
e can do", They didn't even want to discuss it further. The straw that b
roke the camels back was when I ordered some 4130 for my engine mount. I
ordered several pieces of 1" .065 in various lengths. If I remember cor
rectly there was 4 @3', 4@4', 2@ 2. '. Not a big order mind you but when
it arrived EVERY one was short. The 3 footers were 34", the 4 footers w
ere 46" and the two footers were 23" or so. I did allow for waste durin
g my machining process so I was able to make them work but I did call an
d asked what the deal was. Their comment was " well the lengths we send
were close so go ahead and use them". I then demanded they send out a re
turn prepaid freight ticket and I would ship them back and they send me
what I ordered, not what they had laying around that was close. Of cour
se that prepaid ticket NEVER showed up and that was the last time I did
business with them. I go out of my way to bad mouth them every time I c
an and here is another chance. Seems funny that Jim Irwin didn't call me
to ask me side of the story.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I am sure he will not
call now..
I want this archived too
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Matt Reeves wrote:
I have been a customer of Aircraft Spruce for over 20 years. Let's fac
e it, no other company has as much in one place as Aircraft Spruce and t
heir catalog is second to none. Their catalogs educated me thousands of
times over the years which is worth a great deal to me that someone has
gone to all that effort to describe products. I read just about every
page of their catalog every year. Products change, improve, and materia
l costs do increase - it happens - which is why I always get the most cu
rrent catalog or even better, check their current pricing on their websi
te. All companies do that, not just aircraft part companies. I have pur
chased products from all other competitors and have had a few problems o
ver the years but Aircraft Spruce ALWAYS does a great job. I have even
had the owner of the company follow up to make sure I was satisfied. I
have never had that happen with any other competitor. I just found this
on Aircraft Spruce's website: "Aircraft Spruce will NOT be undersold!Air
craft Spruce works hard to bring you low prices. If you have found a bet
ter price for an item at another authorized dealer, we will do everythin
g possible to meet or beat that price.
Price matching is only applicable to identical conditions of sale. The i
tem must be in stock at the other authorized dealer (not a floor sample,
"open box" item, refurbished or demo piece). This offer applies to new
purchases only. For price adjustments on existing orders, please fill ou
t the below form and click submit. You will find a price match link at t
he bottom of each product page. " That's the official word from Aircraft
Spruce. I love them and know they do care about their customers. I ca
n speak from personal experience. They are not in the business to rip
anyone off. If you think their is an unfair price, go to their website
and click on the price matching information link and I bet you'll be ple
asantly surprised. Matt, Danny, Ben, Mikhail, and Jesse Reeves All aircr
aft builders, Oshkosh, and Sun N Fun elite members and all around good g
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When I started on my Zenith 801 back in 2001 I bought alm
ost everything I needed for it from ACS. The only thing they were not co
mpetitive on were clecos, so I got them from another place. For the firs
t year or so the servoce was PERFECT, and I mean that. then slowly they
started with delayed shipping. You know, stating it would go out that sa
me day and then taking a few days later to ship it even though they said
it was in stock. Then a couple of years into my project I needed all my
stuff for my panel. I priced it out with them on the phone and then sho
pped it at several other vendors, they were the highest by a few thousan
d bucks and Pacific Coast Avionics got my business. I did give them a ch
ance to at least get closer in price but the answer from them was . " th
ats the best we can do", They didn't even want to discuss it further. Th
e straw that broke the camels back was when I ordered some 4130 for
my engine mount. I ordered several pieces of 1" .065 in various lengths
. If I remember correctly there was 4 @3',
4@4', 2@ 2. '. Not a big order mind you but when it arrived EVERY on
e was short. The 3 footers were 34", the 4 footers were 46" and the two
footers were 23" or so. I did allow for waste during my machining
process so I was able to make them work but I did call and asked wh
at the deal was. Their comment was " well the lengths we send were close
so go ahead and use them". I then demanded they send out a return prepa
id freight ticket and I would ship them back and they send me what
I ordered, not what they had laying around that was close. Of course th
at prepaid ticket NEVER showed up and that was the last time I did
business with them. I go out of my way to bad mouth them every time I c
an and here is another chance. Seems funny that Jim Irwin didn't call me
to ask me side of the story.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I am sure he will not
call now..<G>
I want this archived too
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.ha
aspowerair.com
-- Matt Reeves <mattreeves@yahoo
.com> wrote:
I have been a customer of Aircraft Spruce for over 20 years. &
nbsp; Let's face it, no other company has as much in one place as Aircra
ft Spruce and their catalog is second to none. Their catalogs educ
ated me thousands of times over the years which is worth a great deal to
me that someone has gone to all that effort to describe products.
I read just about every page of their catalog every year. Product
s change, improve, and material costs do increase - it happens - which i
s why I always get the most current catalog or even better, check their
current pricing on their website. All companies do that, not just
aircraft part companies.
I have purchased products from all other competitors and have had a
few problems over the years but Aircraft Spruce ALWAYS does a great job
. I have even had the owner of the company follow up to make sure
I was satisfied. I have never had that happen with any other compe
titor.
I just found this on Aircraft Spruce's website:
"Aircraft Spruce will NOT be undersold!
Aircraft Spruce works hard to bring you low p
rices. If you have found a better price for an item at another authorize
d dealer, we will do everything possible to meet or beat that price.
Price matching is only applicable to identical conditions of sale.
The item must be in stock at the other authorized dealer (not a floor sa
mple, "open box" item, refurbished or demo piece). This offer applies to
new purchases only. For price adjustments on existing orders, please fi
ll out the below form and click submit. You will find a price match link
at the bottom of each product page. "
That's the official word from Aircraft Spruce
. I love them and know they do care about their customers. I
can speak from personal experience. They are not in the bus
iness to rip anyone off. If you think their is an unfair price, go
to their website and click on the price matching information link and I
bet you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Matt, Danny, Ben, Mikhail, and Jesse Reeves
FONT>
All aircraft builders, Oshkosh, and Sun N Fun
elite members and all around good guys.
http://www.matronic
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