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June 22, 2007 - July 31, 2007
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| From: | "Michael Hilger" <rvsixer(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Parachute for sale |
Listers,
I am selling my emergency 'chute. It's a Strong Model 304 seat pack
with the 254 lb capacity canopy. Date of mfg is Sep '97. Like new
condition. I'm asking $750 which includes a fresh repack and shipping in
the U.S. Also included is the factory manual and carry bag.
I tried back pack and "wedge" type chutes and this was the most
comfortable. It replaces the seat bottom cushion in my RV-6 quite
nicely. The seat pack measures: 15" wide X 12" long (front to back) X 4"
thick.
If anyone's interested, e-mail me off-list and I can send some
pictures. I'm gonna wait a week or ten days then it goes on Ebay.
Mike Hilger
RV-6 N207AM, 800 hrs
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| From: | "David Dalton" <ddalton536(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Anyone have a -7 wing cradle in CO? |
Howdy all,
Does anyone out there have a wing cradle for a -7 in Colorado, that you're
willing to part with. I'm about ready to build my own, but thought I'd
check for a recycled one first.
Thanks,
D Dalton
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| From: | Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | PPG K 36 paint question |
Hi,
Is DX814 Universal Flexibilizer recomended as an additive when painting fiberglass?
I will be top coating with DCC.
Thanks
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| From: | "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin(at)valkyrie.net> |
| Subject: | Re: PPG K 36 paint question |
Sherman, I used K36 on all the fiberglass on my RV6-A and didn't use a
flex agent. No problems in 2 years.
Tom in
Ohio (10G)
----- Original Message -----
From: Sherman Butler
To: RV list
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: RV-List: PPG K 36 paint question
Hi,
Is DX814 Universal Flexibilizer recomended as an additive when
painting fiberglass? I will be top coating with DCC.
Thanks
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| From: | "John McMahon" <rv6(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: PPG K 36 paint question |
Nooooooo!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Sherman Butler
To: RV list
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: RV-List: PPG K 36 paint question
Hi,
Is DX814 Universal Flexibilizer recomended as an additive when
painting fiberglass? I will be top coating with DCC.
Thanks
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| From: | "Charles Reiche" <reichec(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Parachute for sale |
Insert the typical, "Used once, never opened, small stain" parachute
joke here.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Hilger
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: RV-List: Parachute for sale
Listers,
I am selling my emergency 'chute. It's a Strong Model 304 seat
pack with the 254 lb capacity canopy. Date of mfg is Sep '97. Like new
condition. I'm asking $750 which includes a fresh repack and shipping in
the U.S. Also included is the factory manual and carry bag.
I tried back pack and "wedge" type chutes and this was the most
comfortable. It replaces the seat bottom cushion in my RV-6 quite
nicely. The seat pack measures: 15" wide X 12" long (front to back) X 4"
thick.
If anyone's interested, e-mail me off-list and I can send some
pictures. I'm gonna wait a week or ten days then it goes on Ebay.
Mike Hilger
RV-6 N207AM, 800 hrs
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| From: | Fiveonepw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Prop control label |
For those out there with blue knobs-
What is an appropriate label on the panel (Not on the knob itself) for the
prop control- two come to mind "PROP- pull coarse" and "RPM- pull low".
What're y'all using?
Thanks!
Mark
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | Austin <limatango(at)shaw.ca> |
Listers,
Since I no longer have an RV, I have a canopy cover for the side by side
RV as well as a set of titanium tie downs for sale.
Both items never used nor unpacked. $350 for both.
Please respond off list if interested.
Many thanks,
Austin T.
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| Subject: | Prop control label |
My RV used RPM PUSH INCREASE and my Navion uses PROPELLER PUSH INCR. Seems
the other controls all use "Push" type labels too.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY ...project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
For those out there with blue knobs-
What is an appropriate label on the panel (Not on the knob itself) for the
prop control- two come to mind "PROP- pull coarse" and "RPM- pull low".
What're y'all using?
Thanks!
Mark
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| Subject: | Rv-7a/Rv-9a Model for Flight Simulator 9/x |
| From: | "kansaswildman" <gzortman(at)gmail.com> |
Is there anyone interested in a flight simulator model for flight simulator 9 or x, if so, goto www.golden-z-enterprises.com and send them a feedback reply. They have the models, custom built to your specs, and they have the 9a flying at the moment. The models are resonably priced, they will quote you. The also have a 7a. Just thought if anybody was interested.
Thanks
Z
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=120167#120167
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| From: | Jeff Dowling <shempdowling2(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Duckworks lenses cracking |
Save some money and go and buy some plexi. Put it in your oven and warm
it up slowly till it bends. Wrap it around your existing cracked lens
to form it and whala, you're done. Make several, they're cheap.
Shemp
6a
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
> Lighting question....
>
> I installed my lights according to instructions - strapping tape, 75
> degrees, and all...
>
> The lenses were intact through the entire manufacturing process. I
> put them in fine.
> Today I was working on the wingtips and needed to remove the light
> assemblies and found that every screwhole had cracks.
>
> Anyone else have this issue?
>
> I'm kinda bummed - knowing that subsequent installations will be more
> difficult and won't be as tight.
>
> At a minimum, I need to order a new set of lenses...but I think I need
> some building advice when it comes to these things......
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Capen
>
>
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| From: | "sportypilot" <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com> |
I want these..
Godspeed655 at yahoo.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Austin
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: RV-List: Canopy cover
Listers,
Since I no longer have an RV, I have a canopy cover for the side by side RV
as well as a set of titanium tie downs for sale.
Both items never used nor unpacked. $350 for both.
Please respond off list if interested.
Many thanks,
Austin T.
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| From: | "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)glasair.org> |
| Subject: | Prop control label |
Just why would anyone want to label the TPM controls. FAR's suggets
color
and shape constraints, not labeling. I fought a battle with my AB-DAR on
this issue. He could site no FAR that required labeling, just that
'we've
always done it'. I have no labels on mine. If you don't know how to use
the
controls, you shouldn't be flying the airplane.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Fiveonepw(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:41 PM
Subject: RV-List: Prop control label
For those out there with blue knobs-
What is an appropriate label on the panel (Not on the knob itself) for
the
prop control- two come to mind "PROP- pull coarse" and "RPM- pull low".
What're y'all using?
Thanks!
Mark
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<http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
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| From: | scott bilinski <rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy cover |
I noticed the below signed "Austin T" Is this the great Austin Tinckler who has
a unbelievable talent for writing about flying?
Go here to read his fantastic stories.....wish I could write half as well!
http://www.vansairforce.org/6430/
Does this also mean Austin is no longer flying?
A BIG FAN OF AUSTIN'S!
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
Listers,
Since I no longer have an RV, I have a canopy cover for the side by side RV as
well as a set of titanium tie downs for sale.
Both items never used nor unpacked. $350 for both.
Please respond off list if interested.
Many thanks,
Austin T.
Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims
Stories at Yahoo! Games.
http://sims.yahoo.com/
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| From: | "sportypilot" <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com> |
How do you reply off list ? no email address..
Danny..
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of sportypilot
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Canopy cover
I want these..
Godspeed655 at yahoo.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Austin
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: RV-List: Canopy cover
Listers,
Since I no longer have an RV, I have a canopy cover for the side by side RV
as well as a set of titanium tie downs for sale.
Both items never used nor unpacked. $350 for both.
Please respond off list if interested.
Many thanks,
Austin T.
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
<http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | Austin <limatango(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy cover |
Sold today to local RVer.
Thanks for the reply.
----- Original Message -----
From: sportypilot
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Canopy cover
I want these..
Godspeed655 at yahoo.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Austin
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:52 PM
To: rv-list rv-list
Subject: RV-List: Canopy cover
Listers,
Since I no longer have an RV, I have a canopy cover for the side by
side RV as well as a set of titanium tie downs for sale.
Both items never used nor unpacked. $350 for both.
Please respond off list if interested.
Many thanks,
Austin T.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | [ Bill Reining ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
| From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Bill Reining
Lists: RV-List,RV10-List
Subject: QB Delivery by Partain Transport
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| Subject: | [ Rob Ray ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
| From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
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Lists: RV-List,Rocket-List,RV4-List,RV8-List
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| Subject: | Re: Prop control label |
naw ... they are to satisfy the FAA / insurance companies. and make us
safer...
mike
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| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop control label again |
Mark, attached is a photo of the labels in my plane. The image is small
but the throttle label is "Pull for Idle" and the mixture is "Pull for
Lean".
I've seen you fly and you're pretty good..... ;-)
Sam Buchanan
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Fiveonepw(at)aol.com wrote:
> OK, let me try this again...
>
> For THOSE OF YOU who have LABELS on YOUR prop controls, what does it say? I
> did NOT ask for a discussion regarding WHY, just the simple question. Zero
> info so far. Does this simply indicate no one is willing to stick their necks
> out here for fear of a political roast? (I know, dumb question- I've been here
> a loooong time) Believe me, I understand- if this is the case, please
> respond off-list- my direct e-mail is _fiveonepw(at)aol.com_
> (mailto:fiveonepw(at)aol.com) I AM including a label and simply curious what would be most appropriate!
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| From: | Matt Jurotich <mjurotich(at)hst.nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | RV 6a N526W got bent |
For those who may have noticed that N526W got bent. The pilot -me-
is recovering. Many thanks to Van for designing a strong airframe
and to my builder Robert E Burk. Robert is no longer with us but he
built a very stout airplane.
Matthew M. Jurotich
e-mail mail to:
phone : 301-286-5919
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| From: | "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV 6a N526W got bent |
Matt,
What events happened to cause your accident? I'm glad that you can
still share the story...
Konrad
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Jurotich
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV 6a N526W got bent
For those who may have noticed that N526W got bent. The pilot -me-
is recovering. Many thanks to Van for designing a strong airframe
and to my builder Robert E Burk. Robert is no longer with us but he
built a very stout airplane.
Matthew M. Jurotich
e-mail mail to:
phone : 301-286-5919
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| From: | "Jerry Isler" <jlisler(at)alltel.net> |
What canopy cover do you guys recommend for my RV-4? Van's website talks
about a heavy cover and a light weight cover. Since my plane is mostly
hangered, the cover will be used for the occasional overnight stay outside.
There does not appear to be much price difference between the two. Also,
where is the best place to get one?
Jerry Isler
Donalsonville, GA
RV-4 N455J (45.7 hrs)
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| From: | Alan Kritzman <rv8_flyer(at)yahoo.com> |
For Sale 2002 RV-8, Aerosport power 160hp O-320, Sensenich Prop, TT 330 hours.
Dynon EFIS, Grand Rapids EFIS (Map/HSI), EIS Engine Monitor, Truetrak autopilot,
Garmin SL30, Microair 760, Garmin GTX327, Garmin 396 GPS with XM. Electric
trim, Full rear seat controls. Hangered at KCID. $79,000 rv8_flyer(at)yahoo.com or
Alan Kritzman 319-378-9149
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| From: | "Mark Doble" <mark(at)stratologic.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop control label again |
I used the following..printed out on an inkjet printer on Avery clear
mailing labels #18660 (word has a template for this paper).
Looks as great as the day I did it in 2002. I used this paper for all my
labels. Easy to change later on when you mod something.
Propeller
Push >RPM
Cheers,
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Falcon instruments |
| From: | "renewhall2" <renewhall2(at)yahoo.com> |
My Falcon turn coordinator just quit after 300hrs.
Bob
--------
Bob Newhall
N829RV
RV Transition Training
Raleigh, NC
renewhall2.googlepages.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=120513#120513
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| From: | Richard Dudley <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Takeoff Distance vs Density Altitude |
I have attached a graph that calculates takeoff distance increase and
climb performance decrease as a function of density altitude. I found it
in someone's POH on the internet. If valid, this would be a very
convenient inclusion in a POH.
My questions for aerodynamically knowledgeable folks are:
1. Is this a valid calculation?
2. Was this formally published somewhere? If so, where?
3. Is the percent degradation in takeoff and climb performance
independent or is it dependent on the specific aircraft parameters?
Your comments will be appreciated.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
RV-6A flying
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| From: | "Garry" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy cover |
Austin,
If not already sold, can you describe the canopy cover...........inside
material, outside material, approximate weight, method of fastening,etc.
Also, what is a titanium tie down?
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: Austin
To: rv-list rv-list
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: RV-List: Canopy cover
Listers,
Since I no longer have an RV, I have a canopy cover for the side by
side RV as well as a set of titanium tie downs for sale.
Both items never used nor unpacked. $350 for both.
Please respond off list if interested.
Many thanks,
Austin T.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Takeoff Distance vs Density Altitude |
Richard Dudley wrote:
> I have attached a graph that calculates takeoff distance increase and
> climb performance decrease as a function of density altitude. I found it
> in someone's POH on the internet. If valid, this would be a very
> convenient inclusion in a POH.
> My questions for aerodynamically knowledgeable folks are:
> 1. Is this a valid calculation?
> 2. Was this formally published somewhere? If so, where?
> 3. Is the percent degradation in takeoff and climb performance
> independent or is it dependent on the specific aircraft parameters?
>
> Your comments will be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Dudley
> RV-6A flying
>
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| From: | Richard Dudley <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Takeoff Distance vs Density Altitude |
Kevin,
I appreciate your response. But, I find no content in your post. Just my
original message.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
Kevin Horton wrote:
>
>Richard Dudley wrote:
>
>
>
>>I have attached a graph that calculates takeoff distance increase and
>>climb performance decrease as a function of density altitude. I found it
>>in someone's POH on the internet. If valid, this would be a very
>>convenient inclusion in a POH.
>>My questions for aerodynamically knowledgeable folks are:
>>1. Is this a valid calculation?
>>2. Was this formally published somewhere? If so, where?
>>3. Is the percent degradation in takeoff and climb performance
>>independent or is it dependent on the specific aircraft parameters?
>>
>>Your comments will be appreciated.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Richard Dudley
>>RV-6A flying
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Takeoff Distance vs Density Altitude |
Richard Dudley wrote:
> I have attached a graph that calculates takeoff distance increase and
> climb performance decrease as a function of density altitude. I found it
> in someone's POH on the internet. If valid, this would be a very
> convenient inclusion in a POH.
> My questions for aerodynamically knowledgeable folks are:
> 1. Is this a valid calculation?
> 2. Was this formally published somewhere? If so, where?
> 3. Is the percent degradation in takeoff and climb performance
> independent or is it dependent on the specific aircraft parameters?
>
> Your comments will be appreciated.
>
Opps. Different e-mail client than I normally use, and I hit the Send button by
accident the first time.
I'm not sure what the pedigree of this chart is, but it looks similar to other
ones I have seen aimed at common light aircraft. The effect of density altitude
on take-off ground roll will be roughly the same for an RV as it would be for
a Cessna, as the impact is due to reduction in engine power, and increase in
TAS at lift off. So this part of the chart is probably just as accurate for
our RVs as it is for a SE Cessna. Or just as inaccurate.
But the impact of density altitude on climb rate depends on excess power. RVs
need less power than a Cessna 172 to maintain level flight, but they have an equal,
or more power available, so they have much more excess power. A Cessna
sees a significant reduction in rate of climb with DA, as it doesn't take a very
big reduction in power available to bring the excess power to zero. If this
graph provides an accurate prediction of reduction of rate of climb on a Cessna,
it would be pessimistic on an RV. I.e. it would predict a bigger reduction
in rate of climb than would actually occur. For example, that chart predicts
that the rate of climb would be zero with a density altitude in the high teens.
But in fact, most RVs could easily climb above 20,000 ft.
Kevin Horton
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| From: | Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Takeoff Distance vs Density Altitude |
Richard,
The chart came from FAA Pamphlet P-8740-2
http://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/libview_normal.aspx?id=6847
One site for a calculator:
https://www.beaufort.usmc.mil/weather/density_altitude_calculator.htm
other charts
http://www.flynewmexico.com/densityaltitudechart.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_altitude
.
enjoy
Richard Dudley wrote:
I have attached a graph that calculates takeoff distance increase and
climb performance decrease as a function of density altitude. I found it
in someone's POH on the internet. If valid, this would be a very
convenient inclusion in a POH.
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy Cover |
I have the light cover and think it is perfect for occasional use. -LB
On 6/25/07, Jerry Isler wrote:
>
> What canopy cover do you guys recommend for my RV-4? Van's website talks
> about a heavy cover and a light weight cover. Since my plane is mostly
> hangered, the cover will be used for the occasional overnight stay outside.
>
> There does not appear to be much price difference between the two. Also,
> where is the best place to get one?
>
>
> Jerry Isler
> Donalsonville, GA
> RV-4 N455J (45.7 hrs)
>
>
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| From: | Parker Thomas <me(at)parkerthomas.com> |
Listers -
I have put my RV-6A up for sale for $67,000. You can see pictures at
http://web.mac.com/fpthomas/iWeb/Site/N421PT.html. Currently on the ramp in
front of the tower at KHWD.
$67,000. 115 TT, Lycoming O-320 115 SMOH, Aymar-Demuth fixed wood prop.
sliding canopy, electric flaps, day/night VFR. First flight was on February
15th, 2006. The interior is from Classic Aero with carpet under the feet
and baggage area, upholstered vinyl and cloth seats and side coverings in
all areas. The panel has a Vision Microsystems VM1000C (color display)
monitoring all 4 CHTs and EGTs, fuel pressure, fuel flow, gallons burned
and remaining, oil temp and pressure, voltage and amps, RPM and manifold
pressure, OAT and CAT and left and right fuel levels all on one 6 inch
screen. It also has a panel-mounted Garmin 296, a NARCO transponder and an
Icom A-200 Radio with emergency inputs that bypass the intercom. The big 6
gauges are all overhauled or new. The intercom is Flightcom from Vans.
Engine was overhauled in January 2005.
Other little things: upgraded fuel valve, right stick PTT is on the panel so
the stick can be removed, both pilot and copilot brakes. One strobe light
on the top of the vertical stabilizer with nav lights on both wings and
tail. One landing light on left wing. Red map lights on both sides of the
cockpit. Entire airframe primed with zinc chromate.
I purchased the kit almost flying from an A&P builder, tore the panel out
and replaced every wire, switch and gauge. This is the second RV Ive
finished - the first was an RV-8 I built from a QB fuse and slow-build wing
set.
Please contact Parker Thomas at parker(at)shredfirst.biz or 510-393-9876.
____________________________________
F. Parker Thomas
me(at)parkerthomas.com
www.parkerthomas.com
Phone 510-393-9876
Fax 510-225-2358
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| From: | Bill VonDane <bill(at)vondane.com> |
Sorry for the advertisement, but I thought this would be useful to
someone on the list...
I am a Dynon dealer and have an extra EFIS-D100 and EMS-D120 ready to
ship that a customer decided he didn't want, so if anyone is in the
market to get one now instead of in 12 week PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST...
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www.epanelbuilder.com
bill(at)epanelbuilder.com
719-510-0854
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| Subject: | Lower wing skin rivet pattern |
| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
Some one has the pattern to rivet on the last lower skin on the quick
built wings for the RV9. Who has that pattern.
RV9Jim(at)Juno.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wheeler North" <wnorth(at)sdccd.edu> |
Wow,
You got 300 hours out of one of those???
I didn't get 300 hours out of three of them so Vans finally gave me my money
back.
So I put a Trio Avionics Autopilot there instead. (Actually it was a Navaid
at first because the old guys at Trio had yet to invent their great products
in time for my impatient demands. They've since more than made up for this
failing although they are now a lot older because of those impatient
demands....)
;{)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Garry" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to
Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks for my
rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is relatively
light weight and non bulky?
Garry Stout
RV7A, Tampa Florida
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky) |
pull your control stick back and wrap your seat belt around it snugly. takes care
of ail & ele.
I have a tail dragger so double chalking my TW takes care of the rudder. Try parking
into the predominent wind. There's lots of things you can do. I've seen
everything from duct taping the rudder's over center couterbalance to the fixed
VS to fancy home made clamps but don't know how to describe to make them.
If run down to an airport with outside parked airplanes like cessnas you can
see what i mean about the different types of "clamps".
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Garry" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com>
>
> I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to
> Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks for my
> rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is relatively
> light weight and non bulky?
>
> Garry Stout
> RV7A, Tampa Florida
>
>
>
>
>
>
pull your control stick back and wrap your seat belt around it snugly.
takes care of ail & ele.
I have a tail dragger so double chalking my TW takes care of the rudder.
Try parking into the predominent wind. There's lots of things you can
do. I've seen everything from duct taping the rudder's over center couterbalance
to the fixed VS to fancy home made clamps but don't know how to describe
to make them. If run down to an airport with outside parked airplanes
like cessnas you can see what i mean about the different types of "clamps".
much
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
Hi Garry,
When are you leaving? I've got a few pix of some devices used on
Rv's. A pin that has two 90 deg bends on the ends, will lock your rudder
in position.
__________
{ } One end is put in a hole in
your rudder stop and one in your rudder bracket.
I have some pix of these devices at home. If you are interested, give me
a nudge. I think the seat belt and the rudder locking pin (with the
appropriate red flag attached so you don' forget to remove it.) will do
a good job for the moment. Since we have tri-gears, I think that will
suffice. I think that having the tail with the elevators in the full up
position is not the best position. I will probably use the devices that
lock the elevator in the horizontal position so "wind up your tail" won't
cause the airplane to load the nose gear.
Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
I have been fastening my seat belt around the stick, but be sure you do the
stick in YOUR seat. That way you shouldn't be inclined to forget to undo
it. I know, seems ridiculous, but it has happened.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:11 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Gust Locks?
>
>
> I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to
> Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks for my
> rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is relatively
> light weight and non bulky?
>
> Garry Stout
> RV7A, Tampa Florida
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
I am not a fan of external gust locks that can be forgotten before flight.
I have a PVC tube contraption that locks the rudder by wedging against
the area in front of the seat then use the pilots side seatbelt to secure
the stick.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Garry" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
Hi Jim,
I'm leaving on July 18th and fortunately my friend who is a CFII is going
along for the ride. Makes me feel a whole lot safer. I'll make up the
rudder gust lock pins as you've suggested, and I guess the 'ol tie the stick
with seatbelts will do the rest. Thanks for everyone's response.
Garry
----- Original Message -----
From: "James H Nelson" <rv9jim(at)juno.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: RV-List: Gust Locks?
>
> Hi Garry,
> When are you leaving? I've got a few pix of some devices used on
> Rv's. A pin that has two 90 deg bends on the ends, will lock your rudder
> in position.
>
> __________
> { } One end is put in a hole in
> your rudder stop and one in your rudder bracket.
>
> I have some pix of these devices at home. If you are interested, give me
> a nudge. I think the seat belt and the rudder locking pin (with the
> appropriate red flag attached so you don' forget to remove it.) will do
> a good job for the moment. Since we have tri-gears, I think that will
> suffice. I think that having the tail with the elevators in the full up
> position is not the best position. I will probably use the devices that
> lock the elevator in the horizontal position so "wind up your tail" won't
> cause the airplane to load the nose gear.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
A very good point, Ron
Back many, many years ago a visiting sailplane and CFI was visiting our
small airport in Western Oklahoma. They would remain one week and if you
flew every day there was a good chance to get your glider endorsement. So
naturally the last day of the week, I still needed one more flight, was
running late, etc, etc.
I arrived just as they were preparing to start disassembling the glider to
haul it away. The instructor had clearly had all he wanted of spending time
in our small town and was disinclined to make another flight. I pleaded and
he brusquely assented telling me to just hop in the aircraft as there was no
need for a preflight.
I did and he did, we launched behind the tow plane, cut loose and started
making the first turn in the pattern. He yelled at me, harassed me and did
all but comment on my intelligence because I was using way too much rudder
to turn the aircraft. Each turn I made around the pattern elicited the same
response. I was dismayed as it was clear I was NOT going to get my glider
endorsement that day.
Any how, made a beautiful grease job landing and when I looked up I saw a
number of folks running toward us pointing at - yes, you got it. Point at
the aileron locks with flags fluttering - still installed!!! Well, the
somewhat embarrassed CFI did have the grace to apologize to me and stated
that if I could fly the sailplane safely without ailerons - then I was
getting my endorsement.
Of course, the scary part was - I later realized was that if I had ever let
a wing get very low, I would probably have never been able to pull it back
up with rudder alone and that would have been the end of my flying days -
days period!
So I vote for internal gust locks that make it very uncomfortable if you sit
on them {:>)
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gust Locks?
>
> I am not a fan of external gust locks that can be forgotten before flight.
> I have a PVC tube contraption that locks the rudder by wedging against the
> area in front of the seat then use the pilots side seatbelt to secure
> the stick.
>
> Ron Lee
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I use a bungee cord instead of the seat belt. Less hassle
loosening/readjusting the seatbelt when it's time for me to strap in. Hook
one end near the seat belt anchor, one or two loops around the stick, and
secure near the other seat belt anchor. Rudder is secured via the
tailwheel, in my case....
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 6/27/07, Garry wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I'm leaving on July 18th and fortunately my friend who is a CFII is going
> along for the ride. Makes me feel a whole lot safer. I'll make up the
> rudder gust lock pins as you've suggested, and I guess the 'ol tie the
> stick
> with seatbelts will do the rest. Thanks for everyone's response.
>
> Garry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James H Nelson" <rv9jim(at)juno.com>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:12 PM
> Subject: RV-List: Gust Locks?
>
>
> >
> > Hi Garry,
> > When are you leaving? I've got a few pix of some devices used on
> > Rv's. A pin that has two 90 deg bends on the ends, will lock your
> rudder
> > in position.
> >
> > __________
> > { } One end is put in a hole in
> > your rudder stop and one in your rudder bracket.
> >
> > I have some pix of these devices at home. If you are interested, give
> me
> > a nudge. I think the seat belt and the rudder locking pin (with the
> > appropriate red flag attached so you don' forget to remove it.) will do
> > a good job for the moment. Since we have tri-gears, I think that will
> > suffice. I think that having the tail with the elevators in the full up
> > position is not the best position. I will probably use the devices
> that
> > lock the elevator in the horizontal position so "wind up your tail"
> won't
> > cause the airplane to load the nose gear.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Leonard" <wdleonard(at)gmail.com> |
Then again, there is always the guy who took off with the passenger seat
belt still wrapped around the stick - bad outcome.
I don't have many innovative ideas, but I do really like my gust lock. It
is a piece of bungee chord with a loop in one end and tied to the base of
the seat-belt on the other end. The loop stretches around the pilot stick
and works perfectly as a gust lock. No chance of taking off with it in
place, but if I did I can overpower it without damage and/or easily remove
it. Cost 1$, weight 1oz, time to install 10 min. Never gets lost or gets
in the way....
Only problem is that the control surfaces are not "in trail" when parked.
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On 6/27/07, Ed Anderson wrote:
>
>
> A very good point, Ron
>
> Back many, many years ago a visiting sailplane and CFI was visiting our
> small airport in Western Oklahoma. They would remain one week and if you
> flew every day there was a good chance to get your glider endorsement. So
> naturally the last day of the week, I still needed one more flight, was
> running late, etc, etc.
>
> I arrived just as they were preparing to start disassembling the glider to
> haul it away. The instructor had clearly had all he wanted of spending
> time
> in our small town and was disinclined to make another flight. I pleaded
> and
> he brusquely assented telling me to just hop in the aircraft as there was
> no
> need for a preflight.
>
> I did and he did, we launched behind the tow plane, cut loose and started
> making the first turn in the pattern. He yelled at me, harassed me and
> did
> all but comment on my intelligence because I was using way too much rudder
> to turn the aircraft. Each turn I made around the pattern elicited the
> same
> response. I was dismayed as it was clear I was NOT going to get my glider
> endorsement that day.
>
> Any how, made a beautiful grease job landing and when I looked up I saw a
> number of folks running toward us pointing at - yes, you got it. Point at
> the aileron locks with flags fluttering - still installed!!! Well, the
> somewhat embarrassed CFI did have the grace to apologize to me and stated
> that if I could fly the sailplane safely without ailerons - then I was
> getting my endorsement.
>
> Of course, the scary part was - I later realized was that if I had ever
> let
> a wing get very low, I would probably have never been able to pull it back
> up with rudder alone and that would have been the end of my flying days -
> days period!
>
> So I vote for internal gust locks that make it very uncomfortable if you
> sit
> on them {:>)
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Gust Locks?
>
>
> >
> > I am not a fan of external gust locks that can be forgotten before
> flight.
> > I have a PVC tube contraption that locks the rudder by wedging against
> the
> > area in front of the seat then use the pilots side seatbelt to secure
> > the stick.
> >
> > Ron Lee
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Dudley <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net> |
Gary,
I've made a rudder lock for my RV-6A after seeing a concept at Sun N Fun
a year ago. So, I don't take credit for the idea. I found a simple and
cheap way to make one out of PVC pipe and one "T" fitting. I was
planning to give more detail for anyone who might think it useful. Then,
I read your post. I've been using my seat belt on the stick for elevator
and ailerons. I don't have the rudder lock here to quote the dimensions,
but you can get an idea of the concept from the photos. I'll post the
rest of the info when I get a chance. You can see that it is very simple
and cheap. It merely requires a piece of PVC pipe, a "T" and a union cut
to hold the splayed halves of the pipe and come PVC Cement.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
RV-6A flying
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
Then again, there is always the guy who took off with the passenger seat
belt still wrapped around the stick - bad outcome.
Hence the need to use the PILOTS seat belt. And the PVC rudder lock
is on the pilots side.
Should you use an external gust lock NEVER EVER rush your preflight.
NEVER EVER fail to properly move the controls to the limits and visually
observe for proper travel. Use a mirror if need be.
Do not be a statistic and raise my insurance rates.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)AOL.COM |
In a message dated 6/27/2007 11:12:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com writes:
I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to
Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks for my
rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is relatively
light weight and non bulky?
========================================
I've never needed an external aileron gust lock but I do have a combination
external elevator and rudder gust lock that weighs about half an ounce. It
is just a 1ft piece of 1/8" bungee cord, a short piece of stainless steel hinge
pin and a "remove before flight" ribbon. Just drill a clearance hole (for
the hinge pin) in both your rudder stop horn and another matching one on the
same side control horn. Bend the hinge pin into a staple shape (I used the
rivet cutter as a holding jig during the bending) that spans both holes and
holds the rudder straight (in trail). The pin goes up from the bottom. The
bungee is permanently attached to the pin using a tiny adel clamp. Put a large
diameter plastic washer on the other end of the bungee. The bungee is
stretched up and over the trim tab root (at the hinge point and then the washer
tucked into the gap between the trim tab and the elevator proper.
It's simple, works perfectly and you could never even start to taxi without
noticing that the lock is still in place (if you forgot to remove it).
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 857hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca> |
On 19:22 2007-06-27 Richard Dudley wrote:
> I've made a rudder lock for my RV-6A after seeing a concept at Sun N
> Fun a year ago. So, I don't take credit for the idea. I found a
> simple and cheap way to make one out of PVC pipe and one "T" fitting.
> I was planning to give more detail for anyone who might think it
> useful. Then, I read your post. I've been using my seat belt on the
> stick for elevator and ailerons. I don't have the rudder lock here to
> quote the dimensions, but you can get an idea of the concept from the
> photos. I'll post the rest of the info when I get a chance. You can
> see that it is very simple and cheap. It merely requires a piece of
> PVC pipe, a "T" and a union cut to hold the splayed halves of the
> pipe and come PVC Cement.
Just thinking out loud here, maybe you could make two smaller fittings that
go on either end of the removable passenger stick. Remove stick, apply
fittings, lock rudder. The smaller fittings might stow easier.
-Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com> |
Any chance we could see a photo of that rudder/elevator lock? It
sounds very interesting to me.
David Maib
RV-10 40559
wings
On Jun 27, 2007, at 11:07 PM, Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 6/27/2007 11:12:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com writes:
I'm about to embark on my first "overnight" cross country, from Tampa to
Wisconsin Rapids. I got to thinking about the need for gust locks
for my
rudder, elevators and ailerons. What have others done that is
relatively
light weight and non bulky?
========================================
I've never needed an external aileron gust lock but I do have a
combination external elevator and rudder gust lock that weighs about
half an ounce. It is just a 1ft piece of 1/8" bungee cord, a short
piece of stainless steel hinge pin and a "remove before flight"
ribbon. Just drill a clearance hole (for the hinge pin) in both your
rudder stop horn and another matching one on the same side control
horn. Bend the hinge pin into a staple shape (I used the rivet
cutter as a holding jig during the bending) that spans both holes and
holds the rudder straight (in trail). The pin goes up from the
bottom. The bungee is permanently attached to the pin using a tiny
adel clamp. Put a large diameter plastic washer on the other end of
the bungee. The bungee is stretched up and over the trim tab root
(at the hinge point and then the washer tucked into the gap between
the trim tab and the elevator proper.
It's simple, works perfectly and you could never even start to taxi
without noticing that the lock is still in place (if you forgot to
remove it).
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 857hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
See what's free at AOL.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
> Just thinking out loud here, maybe you could make two smaller fittings
> that
> go on either end of the removable passenger stick. Remove stick, apply
> fittings, lock rudder. The smaller fittings might stow easier.
My view is that the internal gust locks MUST be on the pilots side. That
way you can't take off with them in place.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
I never say never because I'm human but I've never taxiied out to take off and
NOT unfurled a checklist and not followed the "flight controls -- free and correct"
part first. Of course, after I go through a checklist, I go through it a
second time (without the mag check) to be sure I got everything. Since I've never
not done a run-up check, and since flight controls are the first thing I
check (and the last thing I check), that goes a long way to preventing me from
making a stupid mistake.
So it leads me to wonder how many pilots aren't doing run-ups and checking the
controls and, if they aren't, why aren't they?
True enough, it only takes one time but under what circumstances would one not
do a run-up check before trying to fly?
This situation of taking off with gust locks and rudder locks would be, perhaps,
more understandable in a 172 or a Warrior or a spam can with lousy visibility.
But an RV?
Seems to me that for this to happen you not only would have to have NOT done a
proper pre-flight, you also wouldn't have done a proper run-up check.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121054#121054
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
> My view is that the internal gust locks MUST be on the pilots side. That
> way you can't take off with them in place.
>
> Ron Lee
Perhaps someone can find the report about the RV pilot who died in a fire
after his plane pitched up after takeoff and crashed. Reportedly he used
a passenger side seat belt gust lock and was in a hurry to leave the
airport.
No need to repeat that fatal move folks.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 6/28/2007 5:33:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dmaib(at)mac.com writes:
Any chance we could see a photo of that rudder/elevator lock? It sounds very
interesting to me.
=========================================
I'll post a shot of it tomorrow.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 857hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rob Prior" <rv7(at)b4.ca> |
On 6:28 2007-06-28 "Ron Lee" wrote:
>
> > Just thinking out loud here, maybe you could make two smaller
> > fittings that
> > go on either end of the removable passenger stick. Remove stick,
> > apply fittings, lock rudder. The smaller fittings might stow
> easier.
>
> My view is that the internal gust locks MUST be on the pilots side.
> That way you can't take off with them in place.
I agree, and wasn't meaning to suggest otherwise. But there's no reason
you couldn't use the passenger stick tube as part of that lock, and save
carrying yet another tube in the airplane.
-Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
It is in Bob's RV Hotline page.
(http://rvhotline.expercraft.com/articles/2007/eaa_court_motion_result.html)
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:06 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder Lock
>
>
> > My view is that the internal gust locks MUST be on the pilots side.
> That
> > way you can't take off with them in place.
> >
> > Ron Lee
>
> Perhaps someone can find the report about the RV pilot who died in a fire
> after his plane pitched up after takeoff and crashed. Reportedly he used
> a passenger side seat belt gust lock and was in a hurry to leave the
> airport.
>
> No need to repeat that fatal move folks.
>
> Ron Lee
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 for sale |
| From: | "Leland Collins" <federigo(at)pacbell.net> |
Don's RV-8 has been sold. There was lots of interest. Leland
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121311#121311
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charles Brame <chasb(at)satx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Airworthiness Inspection |
Thought I'd pass on a success story.
My Airworthiness inspection was done by an inspector from the San
Antonio FSDO. Actually, the inspection was mostly done by a DAR in
training. The DAR trainee was an AI/Test Pilot with 40 years of
experience at Mooney Aircraft. The FAA was making him jump through
hoops to get a LSA DAR designation and specifically required him to
have a supervised inspection of a metal airplane - like none of the
Mooneys were metal. Both guys emphasized that the hoop jumping was
caused by FAA Headquarters in Oklahoma City, and not by the San
Antonio FSDO. Both guys were friendly, accommodating, and professional.
The response to my request for an inspection was quick - less than
ten days. I made the request by phone and they scheduled the
inspection contingent upon receiving request forms, registration
info, weight and balance data, etc. I had ordered certification forms
from the EAA which were pretty self explanatory, and faxed them to
the FSDO. They wanted the originals at the inspection. The EAA
package cost about $10 and arrived quickly. It included all the forms
necessary plus a checklist of things to accomplish before requesting
an inspection. It even included a metal data plate for the side of
the airplane and a sheet of decals for labeling switches, etc.
The inspectors went over the bird with a fine tooth comb for over two
hours and noted a few minor discrepancies. The most serious
discrepancy was no expiration date marked on the ELT and the wrong
type D cell batteries installed. They did not insist that any of the
items be fixed before issuing the certificate and the certificate did
not make note of any of the discrepancies. I requested a 100 NM
radius for the Phase I test period which they granted without
question. A 40 hour test phase was issued and expected as I had a non
certified prop on a certified engine with non certified accessories.
One interesting discussion was about the nuts securing the elevator
and rudder attach bolts which were in accordance with Van's plans.
The FSDO guy suggested they should be castellated nuts with cotter
pins rather than Nylocs. I pointed out that rod end bearings were
used and the bolt and Nyloc had to be tight as they were supposed to
clamp the flange tightly against the bearing. He reluctantly conceded
that was acceptable, but added a muttered comment that if it were his
airplane, he would still use castellated nuts.
Best of all, the inspection cost nothing.
Charlie Brame
RV-6A, N11CB
San Antonio
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| From: | Jeff Dowling <shempdowling2(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Lightspeed Electronic Ignition |
Just flew my first flight with the Plasma II and really like the
smoothness. However, a couple of questions for those already flying
this system.
I did my annual and installed a new battery and lower plugs at the same
time as the el ign. I kept my 300 hour left impulse bendix mag, which
never ran quite as smoothly as my old mag. I notice a definite
improvement at low rpm. The left mag idles roughly. On mag check, Im
seeing about a 125-175 drop at 1700 which is too much. I just checked
the timing and it was fine. No adjustment. I had to reroute wires
after installing the el ign. Im guessing if I had the wiring incorrect,
I would notice a huge difference. Anyway, I noticed two changes in
flight. First, my ammeter was sitting at about 18 amps, where it used
to barely show any indication. Secondly, my engine monitor is giving me
a differential warning between warmest and coolest egt. Im getting a
102 degree spread at lower cruise power settings. Ive always had a
problem with one egt being high but now its tripping the factory default
warning. Im not one to ignore changes so I thought I would put this out
there. I can change the warning parameters and will probably do so
after a little more test flying.
Thanks
Jeff Shemp Dowling
RV-6a 300+
Tim Bryan wrote:
>
> It is in Bob's RV Hotline page.
>
> (http://rvhotline.expercraft.com/articles/2007/eaa_court_motion_result.html)
>
> Tim
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:06 AM
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Rudder Lock
>>
>>
>>
>>> My view is that the internal gust locks MUST be on the pilots side.
>>>
>> That
>>
>>> way you can't take off with them in place.
>>>
>>> Ron Lee
>>>
>> Perhaps someone can find the report about the RV pilot who died in a fire
>> after his plane pitched up after takeoff and crashed. Reportedly he used
>> a passenger side seat belt gust lock and was in a hurry to leave the
>> airport.
>>
>> No need to repeat that fatal move folks.
>>
>> Ron Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lightspeed Electronic Ignition |
I can't explain the CHT spread and roughness except to suggest that
you check the aviation plugs for fouling.
The 18 amp is way too high. On my Plasma III with comm (GNS 430),
transponder, etc, I an running 4-5 amps (or is it 7-8) with no nav lights
(just strobes)
on. Are your landing lights on? Other high drain systems?
I have not flown for six weeks so my recall is fading.
Ron Lee
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| From: | "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com> |
Does anyone on list have a method to test a strobe power supply and
strobe tube. I am looking for a way to detect whether the tube or the
power supply is defective when a system fails. I have seen a tester for
sale at an aviation supply house, but am looking for a way to test with
readily available equipment.
Ivan Haecker -4 1370 hrs. S. Cen. TX
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| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
Fix your strobe the same way most aviation repair shops do......just
keep replacing parts until it works. :-)
Chuck
DNA
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of H.Ivan Haecker
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: RV-List: Strobe Testing
Does anyone on list have a method to test a strobe power supply and
strobe tube. I am looking for a way to detect whether the tube or the
power supply is defective when a system fails. I have seen a tester for
sale at an aviation supply house, but am looking for a way to test with
readily available equipment.
Ivan Haecker -4 1370 hrs. S. Cen. TX
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Strobe Testing |
I built mine with a power pack and strobe light in each wing.
As long as both don't fail the same way at the same time - I can check
one side with the other. I have extra light sets as I have two sets of
tips...one set is configured as fuel tanks and the other will be set up
as storage lockers......
Best I can come up with.....
----- Original Message -----
From: H.Ivan Haecker
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: RV-List: Strobe Testing
Does anyone on list have a method to test a strobe power supply and
strobe tube. I am looking for a way to detect whether the tube or the
power supply is defective when a system fails. I have seen a tester for
sale at an aviation supply house, but am looking for a way to test with
readily available equipment.
Ivan Haecker -4 1370 hrs. S. Cen. TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Spprtypilot <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com> |
I used a fluke voltage meter on mine and it was the bulb, I don't know if its a
bad idea or not worked for me
Danny...
-----Original Message-----
From: "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com>
Sent: 6/30/07 4:31 PM
Subject: RV-List: Strobe Testing
Does anyone on list have a method to test a strobe power supply and strobe tube.
I am looking for a way to detect whether the tube or the power supply is defective
when a system fails. I have seen a tester for sale at an aviation supply
house, but am looking for a way to test with readily available equipment.
Ivan Haecker -4 1370 hrs. S. Cen. TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: VM1000 low pressure fuel sender question |
I have had an ongoing issue with my Vision Micro Systems VM1000 (original
circa 1996) fuel pressure sender sensing off the output of my stock mechanical
pump. Since day one it has always indicated high within the low pressure
range (I am carbureted). I typically see from 5 to 9 psi indicated (lower at
higher altitude) and it does respond properly by increasing about 1-2 psi when
I turn on the boost pump. It correctly reads zero when the a/c is not
running and the boost pump running on the ground without the engine running
produces the same high reading result. When it reads above 8 psi, the display
blinks normally to alert me. I suspect the sender has always been just off
calibration but would like to see if changing the sender will solve the problem.
Does anyone have a spare VMS low pressure fuel sender laying around that
they would be willing to loan or sell before I call VMS?
-Thx
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 857hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Derrick Aubuchon <daubuchon(at)volcano.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VM1000 low pressure fuel sender question |
Hey Gary,,
Fyi,,
From day one,, (circa 2000), the fuel flow in my RV4 always read on
the high side. Added to that, a rather large in-flight fluctuation
that I always assumed was due to the fact that I could not get the
required straight run due to the relatively small size of the
firewall on the 4.
I those "early days," Vision Micro did not have a user-changeable "K
factor" to adjust for installation errors and/or differences.
A few years ago, the fuel flow transducer began to show signs of
"morning sickness," in that at startup, there would be a considerable
delay before the fuel flow registered anything, then it would
suddenly kick-in, as if the impeller was jammed.
In the mean time, Vision Micro finally revised the eprom and provided
a very simple means to input a "K-factor."
So, a few years ago I replaced the transducer and the eprom,,
And ever since I am happy to report that my fill-ups always agree
with the fuel-burned totals to within less than two tenths, and
usually +- .1.
Additionally, the in-flight fluctuations were dampened dramatically.
Moral of the story, I had a bad transducer out of the box from day
one,,,
And the programmable k-factor was like manna from heaven! :)
Derrick
On Jun 30, 2007, at 7:59 PM, Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote:
> I have had an ongoing issue with my Vision Micro Systems VM1000
> (original circa 1996) fuel pressure sender sensing off the output
> of my stock mechanical pump. Since day one it has always indicated
> high within the low pressure range (I am carbureted). I typically
> see from 5 to 9 psi indicated (lower at higher altitude) and it
> does respond properly by increasing about 1-2 psi when I turn on
> the boost pump. It correctly reads zero when the a/c is not
> running and the boost pump running on the ground without the engine
> running produces the same high reading result. When it reads above
> 8 psi, the display blinks normally to alert me. I suspect the
> sender has always been just off calibration but would like to see
> if changing the sender will solve the problem.
>
> Does anyone have a spare VMS low pressure fuel sender laying around
> that they would be willing to loan or sell before I call VMS?
>
> -Thx
>
>
> GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 857hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.
>
>
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| From: | "Wheeler North" <wnorth(at)sdccd.edu> |
| Subject: | seat belt gust lock |
I don't buy the seat belt was strapped across the right stick story in that
case, or any other case. Try strapping the pax seat belt around the stick
and pull it all the way back, then jump in the pilot's seat real fast.
After you get back from testicle replacement clinic drop us a note to tell
us how it went.
However, when I so strap the stick back I always do it with the pilot's
belt/stick.
I also always leave the passenger belt fully buckled and tight and ends
stowed. It is possible for a loose buckle to fall down into the stick well
on longer belts. In my opinion that's a more likely scenario in the AWO
case, or the pilot just yanked it straight up...
And for rudder locks if you move the training wheel from the nose to the
proper end of the airplane you won't need one as it is locked automatically.
;{)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: VM1000 low pressure fuel sender question |
In a message dated 6/30/2007 8:40:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
daubuchon(at)volcano.net writes:
>From day one,, (circa 2000), the fuel flow in my RV4 always read on the high
side. Added to that, a rather large in-flight fluctuation that I always
assumed was due to the fact that I could not get the required straight run due
to the relatively small size of the firewall on the 4.
=======================================
Derrick-
Yes I had a problem early on with my fuel flow too but that factory change
fixed mine. But it's the fuel pressure that bugs me now. How well does your
FP work? You're carbureted, right?
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 859hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Derrick Aubuchon <daubuchon(at)volcano.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VM1000 low pressure fuel sender question |
Gary,,
Yes, I am normally aspirated. (I never pass up an opportunity to use
that phrase!)
And I apologize, until your reply, I was thinking flow not pressure,,
sorry to belabor the list with a reply that had no bearing on the
subject matter.
As to my fuel pressure,, it has always seemed to be in the ballpark.
No complaints.
Derrick
On Jun 30, 2007, at 11:36 PM, Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 6/30/2007 8:40:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> daubuchon(at)volcano.net writes:
> From day one,, (circa 2000), the fuel flow in my RV4 always read on
> the high side. Added to that, a rather large in-flight fluctuation
> that I always assumed was due to the fact that I could not get the
> required straight run due to the relatively small size of the
> firewall on the 4.
> =======================================
>
> Derrick-
>
> Yes I had a problem early on with my fuel flow too but that factory
> change fixed mine. But it's the fuel pressure that bugs me now.
> How well does your FP work? You're carbureted, right?
>
>
> GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 859hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.
>
>
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| From: | "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Nutplates vs Stop Nuts |
I was assembling my baffles for final installation today. I am mounting the
oil cooler on the pilot's side aft baffle and thought I'd be real smart and
use nutplates riveted to the baffle material instead of metal or nylok
stopnuts at the other ends of the bolts that hold the cooler on. But
looking at the nutplates as I was installing them it hit me that there is no
where near the amount of metal surrounding the threads of the bolt with a
nutplate that there is with a standard nut.
Since the engine does a lot of shaking and a cooler full of oil is not
exactly light in weight, was the nutplate idea a bad idea (I wanted to have
that many less nuts and washers in the assembly and liked the idea of just
having to install the bolts). Any mechanical engineers out there savvy with
the strength differences of the two fasteners and what do you think? Never
heard anyone bring this up on the list before so I'm probably being my usual
paranoid self, but thought I'd ask anyway. On a side note, did some
transition training with Mike Seager in Portland last week and had a ball.
Mike's a great (and patient) mentor and I really enjoyed it (even if I did
have a heck of a time getting used to taxiing and steering with the brakes
and getting the landing flare just right). Thanks.
Dean Psiropoulos
VR-6A N197DM
Inspection around the corner.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Nutplates vs Stop Nuts |
In a message dated 7/1/2007 10:48:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net writes:
I am mounting the
oil cooler on the pilot's side aft baffle and thought I'd be real smart and
use nutplates riveted to the baffle material instead of metal or nylok
stopnuts at the other ends of the bolts that hold the cooler on. But
looking at the nutplates as I was installing them it hit me that there is no
where near the amount of metal surrounding the threads of the bolt with a
nutplate that there is with a standard nut.
================================================
Dean-
Standard nutplates riveted to sheet metal are really meant for light
fastenings and not for structural attachments as you indicated. Now, there are
nutplates that are designed to carry more of a shear load and those are the
countersunk variety (as used on the fuel tank attachments, where you also dimple
the skins into them).
That said, sheet metal (baffle aluminum) can't carry much of a load either,
even if you use a standard bolt and nut. I would recommend installing at
least a 1/8" thick (3/16" is what I used) doubler riveted to the sheet metal
over the whole general area where you intend to make the oil cooler attachment
in order to spread the load and stiffen the part, use long standard bolts to
go thru both the front and rear oil cooler flanges and attach using all metal
locknuts. Use all six mounting points and make sleeves/spacers to go in
between the oil cooler flanges out of steel tubing. This is not a place to wimp
out with a light duty attachment. As Jerry Lee said, there's "a whole lot a
shakin' goin' on".
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 859hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Jewell" <jjewell(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nutplates vs Stop Nuts |
Hi Dean,
I am not an engineer so I will avoid the comparative structural strengths of
nutplates verses Nylok fasteners etc.
My oil cooler is mounted in the position that you intend to use. I used
floating nutplates similar in strength to what you describe.
Based on others descriptions of successes and failures you should consider
adding some strength to the baffles in the area around the oil cooler
mounting position.
I have seen pieces of aluminium angle being used as braces running from one
of the engine case half bolts back to the oil cooler to add stiffness to
that corner of the baffles.
I chose to add doublers to the baffle parts in that general area. They show
up in the first attached photo.
I used all six bolts for the added strength to hold the oil cooler in place.
I have low hours on my 6-A to date but I doubt that the nutplates will be a
failure point in the foreseeable future. I will be watching for cracks in
the baffles but I don't expect to see any very soon.
Since the attached pictures where taken I added a filler piece to the top of
the baffles so that the baffle seal material runs straight across the top of
the rear baffle with out the usual joggle just above the oil cooler, (much
neater and easier). This addition also added a little more rigidity to the
area.
I will wait to see one of the engineer types supply the strength data you
request.
Keep building, it's not far now,
Jim in Kelowna, RV6-A C-GIIG 30 hr. since first flight
----- Original Message -----
From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:43 PM
Subject: RV-List: Nutplates vs Stop Nuts
>
>
> I was assembling my baffles for final installation today. I am mounting
> the
> oil cooler on the pilot's side aft baffle and thought I'd be real smart
> and
> use nutplates riveted to the baffle material instead of metal or nylok
> stopnuts at the other ends of the bolts that hold the cooler on. But
> looking at the nutplates as I was installing them it hit me that there is
> no
> where near the amount of metal surrounding the threads of the bolt with a
> nutplate that there is with a standard nut.
>
> Since the engine does a lot of shaking and a cooler full of oil is not
> exactly light in weight, was the nutplate idea a bad idea (I wanted to
> have
> that many less nuts and washers in the assembly and liked the idea of just
> having to install the bolts). Any mechanical engineers out there savvy
> with
> the strength differences of the two fasteners and what do you think?
> Never
> heard anyone bring this up on the list before so I'm probably being my
> usual
> paranoid self, but thought I'd ask anyway. On a side note, did some
> transition training with Mike Seager in Portland last week and had a ball.
> Mike's a great (and patient) mentor and I really enjoyed it (even if I did
> have a heck of a time getting used to taxiing and steering with the brakes
> and getting the landing flare just right). Thanks.
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> VR-6A N197DM
> Inspection around the corner.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Trevor" <davist(at)xsinet.co.za> |
| Subject: | Re: Connections for AvMap EPK-1V |
Has anyone had any experience in connecting the AvMap GPS to the power
supply? I am baffled by the lead which plugs into the lighter socket.
There are 3 wires, a red (12V+), a black (earth) and a white???
Obviously when the adaptor is plugged into the cigarette socket it
receives 12V and the prongs on the side carry the earth. Without
destroying the adapter to see where the white connects to, I can't see
the purpose of this wire, yet there are 3 pins on the GPS. Any ideas?
Thanks
Trevor Davis (RV-7)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LessDragProd(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh - AirVenture ride |
Oops. Wrong coast.
Jim
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wheeler North" <wnorth(at)sdccd.edu> |
Hmmm,
A nutplate in shear should be just as strong as any other fastener in shear
as it is the bolt that is being sheared.
The difference between a nutplate and a nut in tension can't be much since
the weakest link is the thread roots themselves. So as long as the base
metal of what the nutplate is attached to is properly substantial I would
argue that were one to do pull tests on bolts with nutplates vs nuts they
would get fairly similar results.
They do make floating nutplates that are even more substantial then a
standard one though.
The .125" buildup for the area around the oil cooler mount is sage wisdom
and it should include some of the baffle hard points to the engine.
The spacers between the oil cooler flanges can be made out of aluminum vs
steel tube, but in either case use large area washers on the flange mounting
slots that aren't against the baffle. Grind a side flat if they stick into
the cooler airflow.
Also, don't forget to boelube those nutplates.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Safety wire on Hartzell |
I started to put safety wire on the bolts attaching my Hartzell HC2YK
prop to the crank, and I've got a question. If I safety pairs of
bolts, with the wire oriented to tighten both bolts, the safety wire
will run over the edge of the hub where it protrudes between the prop
bolts. That doesn't seem like a good situation, as the steel safety
wire could wear on the aluminum hub. What to do? Put some sort of
protection over the twisted safety wire before I slip it into the
second bolt? If so, what should I use? Or, am I worrying about
something that is not a problem?
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Safety wire on Hartzell |
| From: | Michael W Stewart <mike.stewart(at)us.ibm.com> |
"Or, am I worrying about
something that is not a problem?"
Yes. Its that. Since the wire never moves, it cant wear and get into th
e
hub.
The practice of safety wiring as you described has been done for eons.
Best,
Mike
Kevin Horton
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I started to put safety wire on the bolts attaching my Hartzell HC2YK
prop to the crank, and I've got a question. If I safety pairs of
bolts, with the wire oriented to tighten both bolts, the safety wire
will run over the edge of the hub where it protrudes between the prop
bolts. That doesn't seem like a good situation, as the steel safety
wire could wear on the aluminum hub. What to do? Put some sort of
protection over the twisted safety wire before I slip it into the
second bolt? If so, what should I use? Or, am I worrying about
something that is not a problem?
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| From: | "William Gill" <wgill10(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Safety wire on Hartzell |
Kevin,
That's the way it's done and I have never observed any wear from such.
Its tricky safety wiring these bolts...I had to loosen a couple to get
the safety wire routed through the bolt hole and then re-torque followed
by safety wiring the bolt(s).
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 12:46 PM
Subject: RV-List: Safety wire on Hartzell
I started to put safety wire on the bolts attaching my Hartzell HC2YK
prop to the crank, and I've got a question. If I safety pairs of
bolts, with the wire oriented to tighten both bolts, the safety wire
will run over the edge of the hub where it protrudes between the prop
bolts. That doesn't seem like a good situation, as the steel safety
wire could wear on the aluminum hub. What to do? Put some sort of
protection over the twisted safety wire before I slip it into the
second bolt? If so, what should I use? Or, am I worrying about
something that is not a problem?
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Dudley <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Safety wire on Hartzell |
Hi Kevin,
Attached is a figure copied out of AC 43.13-1B. The pair in the lower
left looks like your description of the propeller bolts. Doe that help
any?
Regards,
Richard Dudley
Kevin Horton wrote:
>
> I started to put safety wire on the bolts attaching my Hartzell HC2YK
> prop to the crank, and I've got a question. If I safety pairs of
> bolts, with the wire oriented to tighten both bolts, the safety wire
> will run over the edge of the hub where it protrudes between the prop
> bolts. That doesn't seem like a good situation, as the steel safety
> wire could wear on the aluminum hub. What to do? Put some sort of
> protection over the twisted safety wire before I slip it into the
> second bolt? If so, what should I use? Or, am I worrying about
> something that is not a problem?
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Weiler" <dcw(at)mnwing.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Safety wire on Hartzell |
HI Kevin:
Maybe some will differ, but I have never seen this as a problem. I pulled
the prop of my first RV-4 after 600 hours of use and there was so wear at
all. Safetying the c/s prop is a time consuming affair since it is rather
close quarters, but patience will prevail.
Doug Weiler
RV-4, N722DW, 400 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 12:46 PM
Subject: RV-List: Safety wire on Hartzell
>
> I started to put safety wire on the bolts attaching my Hartzell HC2YK
> prop to the crank, and I've got a question. If I safety pairs of bolts,
> with the wire oriented to tighten both bolts, the safety wire will run
> over the edge of the hub where it protrudes between the prop bolts. That
> doesn't seem like a good situation, as the steel safety wire could wear
> on the aluminum hub. What to do? Put some sort of protection over the
> twisted safety wire before I slip it into the second bolt? If so, what
> should I use? Or, am I worrying about something that is not a problem?
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
>
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| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
| Subject: | Safety wire on Hartzell |
Interestingly my DAR told me those holes were not for safety wire and it was
not needed. I did not do it at his urging but always feel it should be
done. It was never a problem on my previous airplane with the same prop to
just do it the way you described and no protection on the wire is needed.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 12:46 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Safety wire on Hartzell
>
>
> I started to put safety wire on the bolts attaching my Hartzell HC2YK
> prop to the crank, and I've got a question. If I safety pairs of
> bolts, with the wire oriented to tighten both bolts, the safety wire
> will run over the edge of the hub where it protrudes between the prop
> bolts. That doesn't seem like a good situation, as the steel safety
> wire could wear on the aluminum hub. What to do? Put some sort of
> protection over the twisted safety wire before I slip it into the
> second bolt? If so, what should I use? Or, am I worrying about
> something that is not a problem?
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Safety wire on Hartzell |
Kevin,
I use a small piece of vinayl (sp?) tubing over the wire to protect the hub
from being scratched.
Mike Robertson
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com> From: khorton01(at)rogers.com> Subject: RV-List:
Safety wire on Hartzell> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:46:19 -0400> > --> RV-Lis
t message posted by: Kevin Horton > > I started to pu
t safety wire on the bolts attaching my Hartzell HC2YK > prop to the crank,
and I've got a question. If I safety pairs of > bolts, with the wire orien
ted to tighten both bolts, the safety wire > will run over the edge of the
hub where it protrudes between the prop > bolts. That doesn't seem like a g
ood situation, as the steel safety > wire could wear on the aluminum hub. W
hat to do? Put some sort of > protection over the twisted safety wire befor
e I slip it into the > second bolt? If so, what should I use? Or, am I worr
ying about > something that is not a problem?> > Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishi
====> > >
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| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Safety wire on Hartzell |
Thanks to everyone for the advice. I'll press on.
Tim - DARs are not always right. My Hartzell manual specifically
says to safety wire the prop bolts, and there is a figure with an
arrow pointing at the holes in those roll pins at the place to put
safety wire.
Kevin
On 2 Jul 2007, at 14:35, Tim Bryan wrote:
>
> Interestingly my DAR told me those holes were not for safety wire
> and it was
> not needed. I did not do it at his urging but always feel it
> should be
> done. It was never a problem on my previous airplane with the same
> prop to
> just do it the way you described and no protection on the wire is
> needed.
>
> Tim
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 12:46 PM
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: Safety wire on Hartzell
>>
>>
>> I started to put safety wire on the bolts attaching my Hartzell HC2YK
>> prop to the crank, and I've got a question. If I safety pairs of
>> bolts, with the wire oriented to tighten both bolts, the safety wire
>> will run over the edge of the hub where it protrudes between the prop
>> bolts. That doesn't seem like a good situation, as the steel safety
>> wire could wear on the aluminum hub. What to do? Put some sort of
>> protection over the twisted safety wire before I slip it into the
>> second bolt? If so, what should I use? Or, am I worrying about
>> something that is not a problem?
>>
>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>> Ottawa, Canada
>> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>>
>>
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Safety wire on Hartzell |
And done with .040 SS safety wire.
. My Hartzell manual specifically
> says to safety wire the prop bolts, and there is a figure with an
> arrow pointing at the holes in those roll pins at the place to put
> safety wire.
>
> Kevin
>
>>
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| From: | Todd Bartrim <bartrim(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV on floats |
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| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Safety wire on Hartzell |
Actually, the consumables section in the chapter on installing and
removing the prop in the Hartzell manual specifies 0.032 SS safety
wire. This is consistent with the guidance in AC43.13-1B.
Kevin Horton
On 2 Jul 2007, at 17:06, Dale Ensing wrote:
>
> And done with .040 SS safety wire.
>
> . My Hartzell manual specifically
>> says to safety wire the prop bolts, and there is a figure with an
>> arrow pointing at the holes in those roll pins at the place to
>> put safety wire.
>> Kevin
>>>
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Safety wire on Hartzell |
That is interesting Kevin. The manual that came with my Hartzell says 0.040
SS safety wire. The .040 is a real pain to work with...especially on the
prop bolts.
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Horton" <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Safety wire on Hartzell
>
> Actually, the consumables section in the chapter on installing and
> removing the prop in the Hartzell manual specifies 0.032 SS safety wire.
> This is consistent with the guidance in AC43.13-1B.
>
> Kevin Horton
>
> On 2 Jul 2007, at 17:06, Dale Ensing wrote:
>
>>
>> And done with .040 SS safety wire.
>>
>> . My Hartzell manual specifically
>>> says to safety wire the prop bolts, and there is a figure with an
>>> arrow pointing at the holes in those roll pins at the place to put
>>> safety wire.
>>> Kevin
>>>>
>
>
>
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| From: | FATKORAT(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | RE: Connections on AVMAP EKP-IV |
I had the same dilema as you. What I did was take apart the cigarette lighter
end of the supplied car power cord and investigate. The white wire is not
connected
to anything. I have mine connected to aircraft power using the red wire to
12 Volts
and the black wire to ground.
Bob Gibbons RV-8
Sumter SC
Canopy and Cowl to go
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | FW: Avionics-List: Crossbow NAV425EX Service Bulletin |
Pulled from another list.........
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike@Crossbow
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: Avionics-List: Crossbow NAV425EX Service Bulletin
--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Mike@Crossbow"
Due to a recent firmware update from our GPS manufacturer, Crossbow has published
a service bulletin for the NAV425EX which contains details about a possible
software update that may affect customers that are currently flying the NAV425EX.
The software update provided by the GPS subsystem manufacturer contains improvements
that eliminate the possibility of erroneous data during very specific
satellite configurations. In addition, we have made some improvements to the
magnetometer performance and BIT (built in test) status inside the NAV425EX.
You can find the full details of this service bulletin, including the units
affected using the link below.
Sincerely,
Michael Smith
Application Engineer
Crossbow Technology
msmith(at)xbow.com [url][/url]
--------
Michael Smith
Application Engineer Inertial Systems
Crossbow Technology
msmith(at)xbow.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122053#122053
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| From: | "Trevor" <davist(at)xsinet.co.za> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Connections on AVMAP EKP-IV |
Yea, that is what I eventually did and found the same. AvMap Italy
responded by saying Red to +'ve Black to -'ve and white to "ground"
I'm only fitting mine into my a/c because I've already cut the panel.
I am tempted to toss it on the pile at this stage as they have taken 15
months of promises to supply a Southern Africa data base at a cost (last
quote) of $300!!! plus $40 for postage!! I foolishly bought it at Sun 'n
Fun last April (06) and was promised that if I brought my card in they
would supply the Europe/Africa data for free - ha ha, was I had. They
put out a feeble one 9 months ago with no city names, a few roads and
some international airports - that was it! They talk about "their
cartographer" still researching - man any small GPS producer in this
country gets this info for nothing without doing any "research" and can
sell their product for half the price that they want to charge me for a
flash card!
Thanks for your reply Bob, much appreciated
Trevor Davis RV-7 Cape Town, South Africa
----- Original Message -----
From: FATKORAT(at)aol.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:26 PM
Subject: RV-List: RE: Connections on AVMAP EKP-IV
I had the same dilema as you. What I did was take apart the cigarette
lighter
end of the supplied car power cord and investigate. The white wire is
not connected
to anything. I have mine connected to aircraft power using the red
wire to 12 Volts
and the black wire to ground.
Bob Gibbons RV-8
Sumter SC
Canopy and Cowl to go
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| From: | Jeff Dowling <shempdowling2(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Connections on AVMAP EKP-IV |
On this subject, has anyone found that your batteries drain very
quickly? I think my connection via the cig cord must be intermittent.
Jeff Shemp Dowling
6a, 300+
Trevor wrote:
> Yea, that is what I eventually did and found the same. AvMap Italy
> responded by saying Red to +'ve Black to -'ve and white to "ground"
>
> I'm only fitting mine into my a/c because I've already cut the
> panel. I am tempted to toss it on the pile at this stage as they have
> taken 15 months of promises to supply a Southern Africa data base at a
> cost (last quote) of $300!!! plus $40 for postage!! I foolishly bought
> it at Sun 'n Fun last April (06) and was promised that if I brought my
> card in they would supply the Europe/Africa data for free - ha ha, was
> I had. They put out a feeble one 9 months ago with no city names, a
> few roads and some international airports - that was it! They talk
> about "their cartographer" still researching - man any small GPS
> producer in this country gets this info for nothing without doing
> any "research" and can sell their product for half the price that they
> want to charge me for a flash card!
>
> Thanks for your reply Bob, much appreciated
>
> Trevor Davis RV-7 Cape Town, South Africa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* FATKORAT(at)aol.com
> *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:26 PM
> *Subject:* RV-List: RE: Connections on AVMAP EKP-IV
>
> I had the same dilema as you. What I did was take apart the
> cigarette lighter
> end of the supplied car power cord and investigate. The white
> wire is not connected
> to anything. I have mine connected to aircraft power using the
> red wire to 12 Volts
> and the black wire to ground.
>
> Bob Gibbons RV-8
> Sumter SC
> Canopy and Cowl to go
>
>
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>
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> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
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| From: | PeterHunt1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for a Paint Shop in Lakeland, FL |
In a message dated 7/4/2007 3:02:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv-list(at)matronics.com writes:
Hi All
I heard good things about a paint shop at Lakeland Airport in Florida.
Does anyone know the name or a contact.
Thanks
Dave, I had my RV-6 painted at Florida Aircraft Painting at the Bartow
Airport. About 10 miles from Lakeland. Contact Gerry Butterworth 863-534-3626.
He has done many RVs, does nice work and is reasonable in price. Mine is a
base white with two different shades of metallic teal for stripes. A DuPont
system of base coat and clear coat. Although it wasn't just the paint job
that got me Reserve Grand Champion at SnF, but it probably helped. (pictures
at _www.petesrvaviationproducts.com_ (http://www.petesrvaviationproducts.com)
). Tell him I sent you.
Pete in Clearwater, FL
RV-6 tip-up with all electric panel
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster(at)flion.com> |
Once again, after a long period of inactivity, I have updated my website at
www.flion.com <http://www.flion.com/> . About 90 new pictures of the
project and other related things. The longest RV-6A project is beginning to
wind down. Hopefully, there'll be 2-3 more updates by about this time next
year, the last of which should be to announce the first flight. Anyway,
that's the plan. Enjoy the site.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - waiting for the panel . *sigh*
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | VM1000 fuel pressure sender |
I did the troubleshooting today per the VMS guidelines, and it definitely IS
the pressure sender that has gone tango uniform. It has the proper 5VDC
supply but is sending out higher Volts/psi than it should. Even with the fuel
line fully vented, the pressure reading is 3 psi and with either the boost
pump on or the engine pump running it reads 7-8 psi. Pretty clear.
Could anyone with the same item tell me the VMS Part Number for the
carbureted fuel pressure sender, so I can cross check them to ensure that they
don't
send me the wrong one? This is for the original VM1000 circa 1996, not for
the new VM1000C.
-Thx
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 860hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
| Subject: | VM1000 fuel pressure sender |
I have the same unit as you. My oil pressure part number is 3010018 so I
believe the fuel is 3010016. Sorry I can't read it directly as it is under
the clamp.
By the way I am going on 8 months without a working oil pressure transducer.
I have pretty much given up.
Tim
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:08 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: VM1000 fuel pressure sender
I did the troubleshooting today per the VMS guidelines, and it definitely IS
the pressure sender that has gone tango uniform. It has the proper 5VDC
supply but is sending out higher Volts/psi than it should. Even with the
fuel line fully vented, the pressure reading is 3 psi and with either the
boost pump on or the engine pump running it reads 7-8 psi. Pretty clear.
Could anyone with the same item tell me the VMS Part Number for the
carbureted fuel pressure sender, so I can cross check them to ensure that
they don't send me the wrong one? This is for the original VM1000 circa
1996, not for the new VM1000C.
-Thx
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 860hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
_____
See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
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| From: | "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Steinair announces new product!!! |
Steinair has a new product coming out.
The LANCHAIR!!
Couldn't help it. I love planes but the motorized couch was the coolest
thing there!!!
DArwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: VM1000 fuel pressure sender |
In a message dated 7/5/2007 6:49:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
n616tb(at)btsapps.com writes:
I have the same unit as you. My oil pressure part number is 3010018 so I
believe the fuel is 3010016.
========================================
Tim-
Thanks. That is correct and I ordered one today.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 859hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Ron Schreck" <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | 109 NC Airprots in One Day |
Can't say that I'm ready to do it all over again, but a long shower and
a good night's sleep are just what I needed after flying for over
seventeen hours on Wednesday! I'm not sure where the idea came from, but
at some point I decided that it sure would be neat to touch down at all
of the public use airports in North Carolina. Then some idiot (perhaps
me) suggested that it might be possible to do it in one day! That's 109
landings in 24 hours! (110 if you count my home field, which is a
private airport.) As Tom May, my next door neighbor pointed out, that's
a landing every thirteen minutes. Impossible! As it turned out, after
seventeen hours and six minutes of flying time I touched down at all 110
airports (109 public plus one private) and averaged a landing every nine
and a half minutes. Total distance, not including circling to land and a
few bomber patterns behind "normal" pilots, was 1991 nautical miles and
the average speed was 116 knots. The total elapsed time was 19 hours, 51
minutes from the first public airport, Concord Regional Airport (JQF) to
the last, Siler City Municipal Airport (5W8). I spent two hours cooling
my heels at Currituck County Airport (ONX), waiting for sunrise so I
could start knocking off the unlighted airports. First Flight Airport
(FFA) at Kitty Hawk was the first unlighted destination and it felt
pretty awesome to land at the site of man's first powered flight at
first light on Independence Day! Being a holiday, most of the restricted
areas were cold and all of the military bases were quiet but a few
events did make me wonder if the day was to be successful.
Upon arrival at Wilson Industrial Air Center (W03) at 1:42 AM the
airfield lights refused to come on when I triggered the mic button. I
didn't want to have my record blemished by omitting a single airport so
I circled the field at about 800 feet and made out the runway markings
by the moonlight. A single porch light on a building next to the
approach end made a good target, so I established a landing pattern and
accomplished the "porch light" approach to runway 21. My landing light
and a =BE moon gave just enough light so see the centerline of the
runway on short final.
There are 21 turf fields among the 109 destinations and some of them are
downright scary! The shortest are 1400 feet long with huge trees at both
ends! I managed a touch-and-go at all of them, but must admit that it
would have been a real challenge to make a full-stop landing at some.
Keck's Airport (N88) was real special. The NC Airport Guide has "special
notices/warnings" which note that Keck's has "agricultural equipment on
runway and buildings on NW edge of runway." What they don't say is that
if you stray just 10 feet off the centerline you will leave your wingtip
in a tractor garage. There are mowers, tractors and junk all over the
place and an aluminum irrigation pipe is laid across the center of the
runway. As if all these obstructions were insufficient to deter one from
attempting to land, the farmer jumping up and down and furiously waving
his arms was also a good indicator. I managed to touch down between the
irrigation pipe and the tractor and I still have both my wingtips, so I
must have missed the tractor garage.
I now know where Goose Creek (28A) got it's name. I was forced to land
long as about fifty geese strolled across the approach end of runway
four. I was pleased to see some of my RV buddies emerge from a hangar at
Goose Creek and wave frantically as I passed by. I gave them a blast of
smoke and a wing rock then raced off to the next destination.
I refueled four times. The first stop was at Currituck County Airport
(ONX) at 3:09 AM. It was very dark and very quiet and I stayed for
nearly two hours, waiting for first light. It was so peaceful that I
feared I would fall asleep and miss the entire day! The old gentleman
that helped refuel the plane at Curtis Brown Field (EYF) was thrilled to
hear all about my trip and was amazed to see a flight plan with 109 turn
points! Tad Sargent, one of my RV formation buddies met me at Ashe
County Airport (GEV) and supervised the refueling while I took a break.
He even used his own credit card to pay for the gas so I didn't have to
wait around for the interminable credit card approval process. Thanks,
Tad; I owe you a few bucks and a whole lot more. The last fuel stop at
Macon County Airport (1A5) was the most expensive at $4.64 per gallon,
but hey, they gotta' make a living and I was in no position to bargain.
A serious case of get-home-itus was beginning to take hold of me.
I finally arrived home at Gold Hill Airpark at 8:09 PM and was greeted
by all of my neighbors who were gathered for the Independence Day
picnic. George Orndorff kept the grill hot for me and I topped off the
day with a burger and Miller beer.
My thanks to Larry Bowen, Tad Sargent, Len Leggett and Tom May who
called several airports to warn them of my arrival and to my wife, Kathy
who manned the "command center" at home, keeping everyone appraised of
my progress as I sent text messages to her along the way. It was a great
trip.
Total Airports: 110 (109 public use plus 1 private)
Total Elapsed Time: 19 hours, 51 minutes.
Total Flying Time: 17 hours, 6 minutes.
Furthest distance between two airports on route: 65.4 NM
Closest distance between two airports on route: 1.16 NM
Average distance between airports: 18.26 NM
Average speed along route: 116 knots
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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| From: | "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" <jfogarty(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 109 NC Airprots in One Day |
Ron, Great pilot report. Good job.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Schreck
To: RV List
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:47 AM
Subject: RV-List: 109 NC Airprots in One Day
Can't say that I'm ready to do it all over again, but a long shower
and a good night's sleep are just what I needed after flying for over
seventeen hours on Wednesday! I'm not sure where the idea came from, but
at some point I decided that it sure would be neat to touch down at all
of the public use airports in North Carolina. Then some idiot (perhaps
me) suggested that it might be possible to do it in one day! That's 109
landings in 24 hours! (110 if you count my home field, which is a
private airport.) As Tom May, my next door neighbor pointed out, that's
a landing every thirteen minutes. Impossible! As it turned out, after
seventeen hours and six minutes of flying time I touched down at all 110
airports (109 public plus one private) and averaged a landing every nine
and a half minutes. Total distance, not including circling to land and a
few bomber patterns behind "normal" pilots, was 1991 nautical miles and
the average speed was 116 knots. The total elapsed time was 19 hours, 51
minutes from the first public airport, Concord Regional Airport (JQF) to
the last, Siler City Municipal Airport (5W8). I spent two hours cooling
my heels at Currituck County Airport (ONX), waiting for sunrise so I
could start knocking off the unlighted airports. First Flight Airport
(FFA) at Kitty Hawk was the first unlighted destination and it felt
pretty awesome to land at the site of man's first powered flight at
first light on Independence Day! Being a holiday, most of the restricted
areas were cold and all of the military bases were quiet but a few
events did make me wonder if the day was to be successful.
Upon arrival at Wilson Industrial Air Center (W03) at 1:42 AM the
airfield lights refused to come on when I triggered the mic button. I
didn't want to have my record blemished by omitting a single airport so
I circled the field at about 800 feet and made out the runway markings
by the moonlight. A single porch light on a building next to the
approach end made a good target, so I established a landing pattern and
accomplished the "porch light" approach to runway 21. My landing light
and a =BE moon gave just enough light so see the centerline of the
runway on short final.
There are 21 turf fields among the 109 destinations and some of them
are downright scary! The shortest are 1400 feet long with huge trees at
both ends! I managed a touch-and-go at all of them, but must admit that
it would have been a real challenge to make a full-stop landing at some.
Keck's Airport (N88) was real special. The NC Airport Guide has "special
notices/warnings" which note that Keck's has "agricultural equipment on
runway and buildings on NW edge of runway." What they don't say is that
if you stray just 10 feet off the centerline you will leave your wingtip
in a tractor garage. There are mowers, tractors and junk all over the
place and an aluminum irrigation pipe is laid across the center of the
runway. As if all these obstructions were insufficient to deter one from
attempting to land, the farmer jumping up and down and furiously waving
his arms was also a good indicator. I managed to touch down between the
irrigation pipe and the tractor and I still have both my wingtips, so I
must have missed the tractor garage.
I now know where Goose Creek (28A) got it's name. I was forced to land
long as about fifty geese strolled across the approach end of runway
four. I was pleased to see some of my RV buddies emerge from a hangar at
Goose Creek and wave frantically as I passed by. I gave them a blast of
smoke and a wing rock then raced off to the next destination.
I refueled four times. The first stop was at Currituck County Airport
(ONX) at 3:09 AM. It was very dark and very quiet and I stayed for
nearly two hours, waiting for first light. It was so peaceful that I
feared I would fall asleep and miss the entire day! The old gentleman
that helped refuel the plane at Curtis Brown Field (EYF) was thrilled to
hear all about my trip and was amazed to see a flight plan with 109 turn
points! Tad Sargent, one of my RV formation buddies met me at Ashe
County Airport (GEV) and supervised the refueling while I took a break.
He even used his own credit card to pay for the gas so I didn't have to
wait around for the interminable credit card approval process. Thanks,
Tad; I owe you a few bucks and a whole lot more. The last fuel stop at
Macon County Airport (1A5) was the most expensive at $4.64 per gallon,
but hey, they gotta' make a living and I was in no position to bargain.
A serious case of get-home-itus was beginning to take hold of me.
I finally arrived home at Gold Hill Airpark at 8:09 PM and was greeted
by all of my neighbors who were gathered for the Independence Day
picnic. George Orndorff kept the grill hot for me and I topped off the
day with a burger and Miller beer.
My thanks to Larry Bowen, Tad Sargent, Len Leggett and Tom May who
called several airports to warn them of my arrival and to my wife, Kathy
who manned the "command center" at home, keeping everyone appraised of
my progress as I sent text messages to her along the way. It was a great
trip.
Total Airports: 110 (109 public use plus 1 private)
Total Elapsed Time: 19 hours, 51 minutes.
Total Flying Time: 17 hours, 6 minutes.
Furthest distance between two airports on route: 65.4 NM
Closest distance between two airports on route: 1.16 NM
Average distance between airports: 18.26 NM
Average speed along route: 116 knots
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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7/6/2007 6:36 AM
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| From: | "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2(at)starband.net> |
| Subject: | 109 NC Airprots in One Day |
Do you have a picture of your plane? The name Miss Izzy sounds familiar.
I think Ive seen it at OSH, but I could be mistaken.
Thanks,
brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Schreck
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:48 AM
Subject: RV-List: 109 NC Airprots in One Day
Cant say that Im ready to do it all over again, but a long shower and a
good nights sleep are just what I needed after flying for over seventeen
hours on Wednesday! Im not sure where the idea came from, but at some point
I decided that it sure would be neat to touch down at all of the public use
airports in North Carolina. Then some idiot (perhaps me) suggested that it
might be possible to do it in one day! Thats 109 landings in 24 hours! (110
if you count my home field, which is a private airport.) As Tom May, my next
door neighbor pointed out, thats a landing every thirteen minutes.
Impossible! As it turned out, after seventeen hours and six minutes of
flying time I touched down at all 110 airports (109 public plus one private)
and averaged a landing every nine and a half minutes. Total distance, not
including circling to land and a few bomber patterns behind "normal" pilots,
was 1991 nautical miles and the average speed was 116 knots. The total
elapsed time was 19 hours, 51 minutes from the first public airport, Concord
Regional Airport (JQF) to the last, Siler City Municipal Airport (5W8). I
spent two hours cooling my heels at Currituck County Airport (ONX), waiting
for sunrise so I could start knocking off the unlighted airports. First
Flight Airport (FFA) at Kitty Hawk was the first unlighted destination and
it felt pretty awesome to land at the site of mans first powered flight at
first light on Independence Day! Being a holiday, most of the restricted
areas were cold and all of the military bases were quiet but a few events
did make me wonder if the day was to be successful.
Upon arrival at Wilson Industrial Air Center (W03) at 1:42 AM the airfield
lights refused to come on when I triggered the mic button. I didnt want to
have my record blemished by omitting a single airport so I circled the field
at about 800 feet and made out the runway markings by the moonlight. A
single porch light on a building next to the approach end made a good
target, so I established a landing pattern and accomplished the "porch
light" approach to runway 21. My landing light and a moon gave just enough
light so see the centerline of the runway on short final.
There are 21 turf fields among the 109 destinations and some of them are
downright scary! The shortest are 1400 feet long with huge trees at both
ends! I managed a touch-and-go at all of them, but must admit that it would
have been a real challenge to make a full-stop landing at some. Kecks
Airport (N88) was real special. The NC Airport Guide has "special
notices/warnings" which note that Kecks has "agricultural equipment on
runway and buildings on NW edge of runway." What they dont say is that if
you stray just 10 feet off the centerline you will leave your wingtip in a
tractor garage. There are mowers, tractors and junk all over the place and
an aluminum irrigation pipe is laid across the center of the runway. As if
all these obstructions were insufficient to deter one from attempting to
land, the farmer jumping up and down and furiously waving his arms was also
a good indicator. I managed to touch down between the irrigation pipe and
the tractor and I still have both my wingtips, so I must have missed the
tractor garage.
I now know where Goose Creek (28A) got its name. I was forced to land long
as about fifty geese strolled across the approach end of runway four. I was
pleased to see some of my RV buddies emerge from a hangar at Goose Creek and
wave frantically as I passed by. I gave them a blast of smoke and a wing
rock then raced off to the next destination.
I refueled four times. The first stop was at Currituck County Airport (ONX)
at 3:09 AM. It was very dark and very quiet and I stayed for nearly two
hours, waiting for first light. It was so peaceful that I feared I would
fall asleep and miss the entire day! The old gentleman that helped refuel
the plane at Curtis Brown Field (EYF) was thrilled to hear all about my trip
and was amazed to see a flight plan with 109 turn points! Tad Sargent, one
of my RV formation buddies met me at Ashe County Airport (GEV) and
supervised the refueling while I took a break. He even used his own credit
card to pay for the gas so I didnt have to wait around for the interminable
credit card approval process. Thanks, Tad; I owe you a few bucks and a whole
lot more. The last fuel stop at Macon County Airport (1A5) was the most
expensive at $4.64 per gallon, but hey, they gotta make a living and I was
in no position to bargain. A serious case of get-home-itus was beginning to
take hold of me.
I finally arrived home at Gold Hill Airpark at 8:09 PM and was greeted by
all of my neighbors who were gathered for the Independence Day picnic.
George Orndorff kept the grill hot for me and I topped off the day with a
burger and Miller beer.
My thanks to Larry Bowen, Tad Sargent, Len Leggett and Tom May who called
several airports to warn them of my arrival and to my wife, Kathy who manned
the "command center" at home, keeping everyone appraised of my progress as I
sent text messages to her along the way. It was a great trip.
Total Airports: 110 (109 public use plus 1 private)
Total Elapsed Time: 19 hours, 51 minutes.
Total Flying Time: 17 hours, 6 minutes.
Furthest distance between two airports on route: 65.4 NM
Closest distance between two airports on route: 1.16 NM
Average distance between airports: 18.26 NM
Average speed along route: 116 knots
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
6:36 AM
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| Subject: | Re: 109 NC Airprots in One Day |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
http://www.expercraft.com/hotline/article/287
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| From: | "Carl Bell" <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com> |
Hi All,
I'm looking for a panel for my RV 7 that is similar to the RV 10 panel that
Stein-Air sells. (they do not have one for the 7)What I'm looking is a
slightly raised radio stack in the middle and all three sections unscrew
from a sub-frame. This allow pulling out a sections of the panel for
maintenance, (I have a slider)
Thanks for any ideas you have.
Carl W Bell
New Venture Consulting
Mobile: 803.640.2760
<http://www.newventureconsulting.com> www.newventureconsulting.com
carlbell(at)gforcecable.com
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| From: | "David Burton" <d-burton(at)comcast.net> |
Here's one choice for you.
http://www.grov-air.com/custompanels.html
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From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Bell
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:23 AM
Subject: RV-List: Panel for RV 7
Hi All,
I'm looking for a panel for my RV 7 that is similar to the RV 10 panel that
Stein-Air sells. (they do not have one for the 7)What I'm looking is a
slightly raised radio stack in the middle and all three sections unscrew
from a sub-frame. This allow pulling out a sections of the panel for
maintenance, (I have a slider)
Thanks for any ideas you have.
Carl W Bell
New Venture Consulting
Mobile: 803.640.2760
<http://www.newventureconsulting.com> www.newventureconsulting.com
carlbell(at)gforcecable.com
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| Subject: | Fly In Estate Home for sale in North Carolina |
| From: | "irish17020" <popsgram(at)gmail.com> |
We are realtors & have a 9 ACRE estate home with 5000 feet of finished space, located
on the Boone Golf Course, in NC listed for sale.
This joins a 2100 paved airstrip. This is a one of a kind property. I would like
to advertise this in a magazine for private pilots and have my private license.
I flew in the 70's.
Fly-in magazine used to be the top magazine to advertise in in the 70's when i
flew, but I would like to ask if anyone knows the top airpark or fly-in or private
pilot magazine for todays pilots.
Thanks so much.
Allan Wagner, Realtor
Blue Ridge Realty & Investments, Boone NC
828-773-5545
Fair Housing
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| From: | pcowper(at)webtv.net (Pete Cowper) |
| Subject: | Re: 109 NC Airprots in One Day |
What a grand accomplishment . . . sure puts championship hotdog eating
to shame! You can enthrall listeners at hanger talks for the rest of
your life with this amazing tale.
During my first summer home from college after turning 21 in 1968, a
friend and I managed to have a drink at every single bar in my hometown
of Visalia between 5:00 pm and 2:00 am closing. We did it in a ratty
old '47 Pontiac 2-door. Of course the town only had a population of
18,000 back then. Still impresses folk at cocktail party chatter . . .
well it actually horrifies folk in today's anti-drunk diving climate! As
a former county prosecutor I can get away with having a checkered past.
Thanks for the entertaining trip report.
Pete Cowper
RV8 #81139 (riveting fuselage skins)
Visalia, California
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| From: | Charles Brame <chasb(at)satx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | VM1000 fuel pressure sender |
I have a low pressure fuel pressure sender which I will be glad to
donate. It is for a 2003 vintage VM1000, but I'll bet it is the same.
I replaced it (along with a chip in the CPU) with a higher pressure
sender for a fuel injection system.
Send me a back channel snail main address and I will get it in the
mail early next week.
> From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: VM1000 fuel pressure sender
>
> I did the troubleshooting today per the VMS guidelines, and it
> definitely IS
> the pressure sender that has gone tango uniform. It has the
> proper 5VDC
> supply but is sending out higher Volts/psi than it should. Even
> with the fuel
>
> line fully vented, the pressure reading is 3 psi and with either
> the boost
> pump on or the engine pump running it reads 7-8 psi. Pretty clear.
>
> Could anyone with the same item tell me the VMS Part Number for the
> carbureted fuel pressure sender, so I can cross check them to
> ensure that they
> don't
> send me the wrong one? This is for the original VM1000 circa
> 1996, not for
> the new VM1000C.
>
> -Thx
>
>
> GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 860hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
>
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| From: | "Carl Bell" <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com> |
Hi All,
I'm looking for a panel for my RV 7 that is similar to the RV 10 panel that
Stein-Air sells. (they do not have one for the 7) What I'm looking is a
slightly raised radio stack in the middle and all three sections unscrew
from a sub-frame. This allow pulling out a sections of the panel for
maintenance, (I have a slider)
Thanks for any ideas you have.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: VM1000 fuel pressure sender |
In a message dated 7/7/2007 10:41:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
chasb(at)satx.rr.com writes:
I have a low pressure fuel pressure sender which I will be glad to
donate. It is for a 2003 vintage VM1000, but I'll bet it is the same.
I replaced it (along with a chip in the CPU) with a higher pressure
sender for a fuel injection system.
Send me a back channel snail main address and I will get it in the
mail early next week.
=====================================================
Charles-
I already paid $200 or so to get a new one shipped from VMS, so I'm sorry
that I didn't know about yours sooner. Hang on to it and I'm sure that someone
else will have a need for it by and by.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 859hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | RV6160hp(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: RV4 GPS HP 5550 mount |
My brand new IPaq AnywhereMap works great in RV6 Tip up mounted in LH Corner
of my cockpit away from panel about by the canopy internal latch repease of
the tip up area - without external GPS antenna. I have the WX blue tooth and
I remote the antenna up to glarishield area. I power it all from a cig
lighter adapter for now may hard wire later but enjoy taking the system into the
car to play with and learn it more. The WX box really has enough leads and
can be behinid the RV6 seats, been sitting it in the whell on the copilot side
under the rudder cable pathway (again think RV6) B-Tooth works fine for the
most part,,, I use a RAM Ball mount I modified not theirs supplied - it was
same RAM mount location & pieces for my Garmin Pilot III (which will be on
Ebay when I get around to it)....think you might want it close to your eyesite
limitations in sun glar wiped out detail and to far aweay the type gets mighty
small.....so far loving it some glitches and time with support services for
a few gremlins, but compared to the Garmin 396/496's unit is smaller and TOM
TOM with all the PDA benefits and at a substancial savings over the Garmin
made the decision easy for me. Wirless internet in areas for instant weather
download kewl too...
regards
David McManmon
N58DM
RV6 Builder - Pilot
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Avionics-List: Crossbow NAV425EX Service Bulletin |
| From: | Doug Gray <dgra1233(at)bigpond.net.au> |
So how many RVs are flying with the Strongbow product onboard?
I would love to know.
Doug Gray
>
> Pulled from another list.........
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike@Crossbow
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 4:49 PM
> To: avionics-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Avionics-List: Crossbow NAV425EX Service Bulletin
>
> --> Avionics-List message posted by: "Mike@Crossbow"
>
> Due to a recent firmware update from our GPS manufacturer, Crossbow has published
a service bulletin for the NAV425EX which contains details about a possible
software update that may affect customers that are currently flying the NAV425EX.
The software update provided by the GPS subsystem manufacturer contains
improvements that eliminate the possibility of erroneous data during very specific
satellite configurations. In addition, we have made some improvements to
the magnetometer performance and BIT (built in test) status inside the NAV425EX.
You can find the full details of this service bulletin, including the units
affected using the link below.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Michael Smith
> Application Engineer
> Crossbow Technology
> msmith(at)xbow.com [url][/url]
>
> --------
> Michael Smith
> Application Engineer Inertial Systems
> Crossbow Technology
> msmith(at)xbow.com
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | "james frierson" <tn3639(at)hotmail.com> |
I was at just about dark yesterday when I turned on the Nav Lights and my
Vans oil temp and fuel pressure gauges would peg out. I have seen some minor
fluctuations in the past but this was by far the worst.
At the time I had been flying for about an hour or so and it was pretty hot
outside as well. Im thinking it has something to do with the ground for the
nav lights. The lights are located in the fiberglass tips and have a
grounding wire attached to an end rib. Any thoughts?
Scott
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http://newlivehotmail.com
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: VM1000 fuel pressure sender (carbureted) |
VMS sent me the new Honeywell sender (with the collective plug) and I would
like to confirm the function of the four numbered terminals. VMS sent me no
info on this and have not returned my call. My original sender had four
discrete quick disconnect tabs that were individually wired as:
SENDER pin 1 WHT TO DPU J3.5
SENDER.pin 2 BLK TO DPU J3.8
SENDER.pin 3 GRN TO DPU J3.6
SENDER.pin 4 RED TO DPU J3.7
Can anyone with the P/N 3010016 sender (with the collective plug) and the
VM1000 (not the VM1000C) confirm that the new sender has the same pin
correspondence and hooks up pin for pin the same way?
If it is not the same, please advise.
-Thx
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 859hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
| Subject: | VM1000 fuel pressure sender (carbureted) |
My VM system has a 37 pin DB connector which contains the fuel pressure as
such:
Pin 34 - Black
Pin 35 - Red
Pin 36 - Green
Pin 37 - White
On the sender itself, the cap when you take it apart has numbers on the
pins. They go like this
Pin 1 - White
Pin 2 - Black
Pin 3 - Green
Pin 4 - Red
>From the looks of your post, it appears you have a different type connection
to the DPU. I will see if I can send you some pictures from my manual today
after I scan them. Maybe it will help, maybe not. Where are you located?
Tim
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From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: VM1000 fuel pressure sender (carbureted)
VMS sent me the new Honeywell sender (with the collective plug) and I would
like to confirm the function of the four numbered terminals. VMS sent me no
info on this and have not returned my call. My original sender had four
discrete quick disconnect tabs that were individually wired as:
SENDER pin 1 WHT TO DPU J3.5
SENDER.pin 2 BLK TO DPU J3.8
SENDER.pin 3 GRN TO DPU J3.6
SENDER.pin 4 RED TO DPU J3.7
Can anyone with the P/N 3010016 sender (with the collective plug) and the
VM1000 (not the VM1000C) confirm that the new sender has the same pin
correspondence and hooks up pin for pin the same way?
If it is not the same, please advise.
-Thx
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 859hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: VM1000 fuel pressure sender (carbureted) |
In a message dated 7/11/2007 5:39:03 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
n616tb(at)btsapps.com writes:
>From the looks of your post, it appears you have a different type connection
to the DPU. I will see if I can send you some pictures from my manual today
after I scan them. Maybe it will help, maybe not. Where are you located?
========
Tim-
Thanks. I'm in the SF Bay area.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 859hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | VM1000 Fuel Pressure Sender Info |
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| From: | "David Schaefer" <n142ds(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel Injection? Opinions! |
Hopefully this won't get too carried away ... but.. what is you preference
for fuel injection? Airflow or Precision? And more importantly
specifically WHY?
I look forward to your comments.
Thanks....
--
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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| From: | "Neal George" <neal.george(at)mchsi.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel Injection? Opinions! |
Airflow Performance.
Because the Airflow servo uses a rotary fuel metering valve vs. sliding
plate.
And more importantly, I can (and have) call the guy who designed it and talk
to him if I have questions.
Neal George
RV-7 N8ZG (Cowling)
Hopefully this won't get too carried away ... but.. what is you preference
for fuel injection? Airflow or Precision? And more importantly
specifically WHY?
I look forward to your comments.
Thanks....
--
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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| Subject: | Fuel Injection? Opinions! |
| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
I second Neal's impression. Precision may be good but AFP is
excellent--technically and support wise.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neal George
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuel Injection? Opinions!
Airflow Performance.
Because the Airflow servo uses a rotary fuel metering valve vs. sliding
plate.
And more importantly, I can (and have) call the guy who designed it and
talk to him if I have questions.
Neal George
RV-7 N8ZG (Cowling)
Hopefully this won't get too carried away ... but.. what is you
preference for fuel injection? Airflow or Precision? And more
importantly specifically WHY?
I look forward to your comments.
Thanks....
--
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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| From: | Dwight Frye <dwight(at)openweave.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection? Opinions! |
Without question, Airflow Perfomance. Why? For one I've seen the quality
and care they take with their designs and assembly up close and personal.
For another, the -fact- that you can get so up close and personal! In all
seriousness, Don Rivera is available to anyone who has a problem or a
question. Just give him a call. API has the kind of customer service that
makes me feel confident about using a product.
If you want to know more about API products, and have the opportunity to
end up with the same sort of 'up close and personal' feeling about the
company, attend one of their "Fuel Injection 101" classes. If it is in any
way reasonable for you to get to Spartanburg, SC for a class, I very much
recommend doing so. Particularly if you were like me .. and knew very little
about fuel injection ... for a very reasonable amount of money you'll come
away MUCH better informed.
Not only that, Don fires up the grill out behind the hangar after classes
and you get to spend another few HOURS sitting around, eating, and talking
about flying. What more could ya want?? :)
No, I don't work for Don. I'm just a very satisfied (so far, still building!)
customer and former FI-101 student.
-- Dwight
On Wed Jul 11 19:53:56 2007, David Schaefer wrote :
>Hopefully this won't get too carried away ... but.. what is you preference
>for fuel injection? Airflow or Precision? And more importantly
>specifically WHY?
>
>I look forward to your comments.
>
>Thanks....
>--
>David W. Schaefer
>RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
>TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
>www.n142ds.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection? Opinions! |
| From: | "N395V" <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com> |
Hands down AFP by far the best.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| From: | "Andy Gold" <andygold(at)rkymtnhi.com> |
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| From: | kirt klevin <rv6aokcity(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Bison Mountain Bags (RV Bag) Website... |
Finally I have the website put together. Still a lot of small things to take care
of, but its a good start. We have some new products, so come take a look.
www.bisonmountainbags.com
Thanks for your patience,
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| From: | "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel Injection? Opinions! |
Precision is based on the bendix system. Pretty much any mechanic should be
familiar with it. Parts are easy to get...
Jim B
>From: "Neal George" <neal.george(at)mchsi.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuel Injection? Opinions!
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:05:58 -0500
>
>Airflow Performance.
>Because the Airflow servo uses a rotary fuel metering valve vs. sliding
>plate.
>And more importantly, I can (and have) call the guy who designed it and
>talk
>to him if I have questions.
>
>
>Neal George
>
>RV-7 N8ZG (Cowling)
>
>
>Hopefully this won't get too carried away ... but.. what is you preference
>for fuel injection? Airflow or Precision? And more importantly
>specifically WHY?
>
>I look forward to your comments.
>
>Thanks....
>--
>David W. Schaefer
>RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
>TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
>www.n142ds.com
>
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection? Opinions! |
Precision=Bendix RSA injection, used on most Lycoming injected engines
for the last 40 years. Most any mechanic that has any engine experience
will be familiar with it. Overhaul it at engine TBO, won't need much
else normally.
JAMES BOWEN wrote:
>
> Precision is based on the bendix system. Pretty much any mechanic
> should be familiar with it. Parts are easy to get...
>
> Jim B
>
>
>> From: "Neal George" <neal.george(at)mchsi.com>
>> Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> To:
>> Subject: RE: RV-List: Fuel Injection? Opinions!
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:05:58 -0500
>>
>> Airflow Performance.
>> Because the Airflow servo uses a rotary fuel metering valve vs. sliding
>> plate.
>> And more importantly, I can (and have) call the guy who designed it
>> and talk
>> to him if I have questions.
>>
>>
>> Neal George
>>
>> RV-7 N8ZG (Cowling)
>>
>>
>> Hopefully this won't get too carried away ... but.. what is you
>> preference
>> for fuel injection? Airflow or Precision? And more importantly
>> specifically WHY?
>>
>> I look forward to your comments.
>>
>> Thanks....
>> --
>> David W. Schaefer
>> RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
>> TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
>> www.n142ds.com
>>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> http://newlivehotmail.com
>
>
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| From: | "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Injection? Opinions! |
I have noticed that the last two folks here with ECI engines had issues with
their FI systems. Unfortunately, I don't know the brand of the system and
whether the issues were inability to make proper adjustments for high
altitude airports or operator issues.
The most recent one still has not flown, wholly or partly due to engine
running conditions. Hopefully within a week or so I may have better
info on what the problem is...whether related to the FI system or not.
I had suggested to the owner that if they could get the engine maker
to come up here to fine tune the system...then develop clear and easy
to follow adjustment procedures for other builders it could save a lot
of frustration. My guess is that this owner has had the first flight
delayed
by at least a month (travel issues are a factor).
What impact high density altitude plays is unknown.
Ron Lee
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| From: | gert <gert.v(at)sbcglobal.net> |
anybody know the story behind this picture?
http://www.orschlurch.de/pixxdump-34_45.html
thanks
Gert
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| From: | Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net> |
Yeah, see the following...
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=18786
>
> From: gert <gert.v(at)sbcglobal.net>
> Date: 2007/07/14 Sat PM 12:27:22 EST
> To: rv-list
> Subject: RV-List: story??
>
>
> anybody know the story behind this picture?
>
> http://www.orschlurch.de/pixxdump-34_45.html
>
> thanks
>
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| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> |
On 14 Jul 2007, at 13:27, gert wrote:
>
> anybody know the story behind this picture?
>
> http://www.orschlurch.de/pixxdump-34_45.html
>
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=18786
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=18670
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| From: | "Thomas Lukasczyk" <Lukasczyk(at)gmx.net> |
Hello
Yesterday, I checked my compression and found all cylinders to be 80/77 exept the
famous fourth one. My number 4 was at 80/72. The oil consumption is quite normal
at a little over one quart every 20 hours and I have not noticed any performance
losses or increased oil consumption over the last 100 hours. My number
4 is not runnig hot, nor are exhaust temperatures above normal. Head-temp is
usually around 350F and oil temperatures vary between 190F and 210F depending
on the power setting. The plugs looked good and an older test-report (done 100
hours ago) indicated all cylinders to be 80/76 exept number 3 (three) which
was at 80/74 at that time. I am confused here and it looks like things got mixed
up. Do I have to worry about the result I got? The engine was not at it's normal
operation temperature when I performed the test and I know it is supposed
to be. There was another strange effect, though. The compression-test is done
when the piston is at or near TDC. There the prop w
ill not move although the cylinder is pressurized. I read 80/72 (#4) and a little
less once I moved the prop slightly (only 1/4 inch). Does that necessarily
indicate a ring problem?
Thanks you for your opinion
Thomas, RV-4
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| From: | "Bob J." <rocketbob(at)gmail.com> |
Go fly it a couple of times then check it again, hot. Chances are the
compression numbers will fall in line with your other cylinders. If the
ring gaps line up then you will get a low compression reading.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
On 7/15/07, Thomas Lukasczyk wrote:
>
>
> Hello
>
> Yesterday, I checked my compression and found all cylinders to be 80/77
> exept the famous fourth one. My number 4 was at 80/72. The oil consumptio
n
> is quite normal at a little over one quart every 20 hours and I have not
> noticed any performance losses or increased oil consumption over the last
> 100 hours. My number 4 is not runnig hot, nor are exhaust temperatures ab
ove
> normal. Head-temp is usually around 350F and oil temperatures vary betwee
n
> 190F and 210F depending on the power setting. The plugs looked good and a
n
> older test-report (done 100 hours ago) indicated all cylinders to be 80/7
6
> exept number 3 (three) which was at 80/74 at that time. I am confused her
e
> and it looks like things got mixed up. Do I have to worry about the resul
t I
> got? The engine was not at it's normal operation temperature when I
> performed the test and I know it is supposed to be. There was another
> strange effect, though. The compression-test is done when the piston is a
t
> or near TDC. There the prop w
> ill not move although the cylinder is pressurized. I read 80/72 (#4) and
a
> little less once I moved the prop slightly (only 1/4 inch). Does that
> necessarily indicate a ring problem?
>
> Thanks you for your opinion
>
> Thomas, RV-4
> --
> Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger geh=F6rt?
> Der kanns mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger
>
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>
>
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| From: | "David Schaefer" <n142ds(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Electronic Ignition |
I saw a brand new Lightspeed fail this weekend .. most probably due to heat
under the cowl since it eventually re-set. The aircraft had mags on one
side ... so no big deal. However, wouldn't you think that the current
generation of electronic ignitions would take into account that under the
cowl on an airplane is HOT and make some sort of consideration? It's my
understanding that the vast majority of these ignitions controllers are
installed on the fire-wall? Anyone else had any ideas, recommendations
here? I think these are great electronic ignition systems and am looking to
install a pair on an aircraft .. but it was an old fashioned MAG that got us
back to the airport!
--
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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| Subject: | Re: Need Users Guide for KLN 90b |
| From: | "N395V" <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com> |
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124055#124055
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| From: | "smitty(at)smittysrv.com" <smitty(at)smittysrv.com> |
| Subject: | Garmin GPSMAP 195 Repair |
Hi Guys,
My trusty old Garmin GPSMAP 195 won't power up any more. I went to the
garmin website and they won't work on or support this model anymore. Does
anyone know somebody who will work on this dude? So far everyone I've
called won't touch it. If not, I'll tie a rope around it and use it for a
boat anchor.
Smitty
http://SmittysRV.com
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| Subject: | Garmin GPSMAP 195 Repair |
| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
Happy fishing!!!
Chuck Jensen
-->
Hi Guys,
My trusty old Garmin GPSMAP 195 won't power up any more. I went to the
garmin website and they won't work on or support this model anymore.
Does anyone know somebody who will work on this dude? So far everyone
I've called won't touch it. If not, I'll tie a rope around it and use it
for a boat anchor.
Smitty
http://SmittysRV.com
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| From: | Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
Does anyone have a Garmin/UPS/Apollo SL-70 Transponder, new or used that they would
like to sell?
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPSMAP 195 Repair |
Garmin portables all have a sealed case, and consequently they always
have exchanged bad units for rehabbed ones. I suspect they have to
replace the case when the fix one, hence the flat rate charge. AFAIK
they have never actually repaired someone's GPS and sent the same serial
number unit back.
Chuck Jensen wrote:
>
> Happy fishing!!!
>
> Chuck Jensen
>
>
> -->
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> My trusty old Garmin GPSMAP 195 won't power up any more. I went to the
> garmin website and they won't work on or support this model anymore.
> Does anyone know somebody who will work on this dude? So far everyone
> I've called won't touch it. If not, I'll tie a rope around it and use it
> for a boat anchor.
>
> Smitty
> http://SmittysRV.com
>
>
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| From: | "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | KMD 150 Install manual needed |
I need an install manual for my KMD 150. Thanks in advance.
Jim Bowen
_________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve <stevea(at)svpal.org> |
| Subject: | Re: KMD 150 Install manual needed |
JAMES BOWEN wrote:
>
> I need an install manual for my KMD 150. Thanks in advance.
> Jim Bowen
I thought about scanning my copy and sending it to you, then thought
"Hmmmm, wonder what Google says?" (I've tried before to find it soft
copy on the web, but never had any luck.)
Both the installation manual and pilot's guide are here:
http://www.seaerospace.com/king/kmd150.htm
Steve
(now with a soft copy IM to back up my hard copy!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Point <jpoint(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hangar building code issues |
That would be great. I know the IBC adopted is 2003 and I have that
book, but I don't have the NFPA. A pdf would be great.
Jeff
Sherman Butler wrote:
> I can send a copy of NFPA 409 in pdf format if you wish. Just let me
> know. I will need to look at the IBC, but can probably send that as
> well. I will need the year or edition adopted. I will be back in the
> states and functioning on Thurs. Iceland is a pretty visit.
>
> *//*
> *
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: KMD 150 Install manual needed |
Thank you very much. I finally got it. I googled it 3 times and looked and
looked, no luck.
Sincerely,
Jim Bowen
>From: Steve <stevea(at)svpal.org>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com, aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: KMD 150 Install manual needed
>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:37:22 -0700
>
>
>JAMES BOWEN wrote:
>>
>>I need an install manual for my KMD 150. Thanks in advance.
>>Jim Bowen
>I thought about scanning my copy and sending it to you, then thought
>"Hmmmm, wonder what Google says?" (I've tried before to find it soft copy
>on the web, but never had any luck.)
>
>Both the installation manual and pilot's guide are here:
>http://www.seaerospace.com/king/kmd150.htm
>
>Steve
>(now with a soft copy IM to back up my hard copy!)
>
>
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| From: | "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | New 540 engine for sale |
I have a Factory New O-540-A4D5 engine for sale.
I purchased it for my RV-10 which is behind schedule and will not require an
engine until next year.
It is identical to an O-540-E4A5 except the data plate rpm rating, 2575 vs
2700.
Easily converted to an IO-540-D4A5 with an Airflow Performance fuel system
for ~$3,300
See:
http://www.airflowperformance.com/html/kits_lycoming_01.html
Price: $27,000, FOB, Lycoming's dock in Williamsport, PA
Eric Parlow
RV-10, N104EP
(828) 777-7976
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| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
Dave,
Try Flightline Interiors by Abbe. They are very light.
Jim
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| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | aileron pushrod boots |
EXT-Allen, David wrote:
>
> I'm looking for ideas on how to block the air draft around the aileron
> pushrods where they go from the fuselage to the wing.
> Does anyone make a kit? What material would be appropriate?
> Is it really needed in the midwest winters?
> Dave, RV-9A
Kits are available (I don't recall where) or you can easily make your
own aileron boots:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/cold.html#boots
They certainly work well in our southeastern winters. :-)
Sam Buchanan
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| From: | Hopperdhh(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: aileron pushrod boots |
In a message dated 7/18/2007 9:47:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sbuc(at)hiwaay.net writes:
> I'm looking for ideas on how to block the air draft around the aileron
> pushrods where they go from the fuselage to the wing.
> Does anyone make a kit? What material would be appropriate?
> Is it really needed in the midwest winters?
> Dave, RV-9A
Kits are available (I don't recall where) or you can easily make your
own aileron boots:
Boot kits are available from Abby at Flightline Interiors. I have these and
they are made of very flexible and light material that seals very well, and
has almost no effect on the aileron feel.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A
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| From: | Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hangar building code issues |
Jeff, what exactly is the jurisdisction? I can check with my buddies and see if
a friend can be contacted in the local area that knows teh personalities involved.
The inspector has a boss, she/he may interpert it differently, or other
sections of the code my apply.
What type of fuel? If it is wood then a ten feet stack or a spark arrestor may
be required. It will make little diferance if it is a hangar or storage shed
(hangar is french for shed, IBC is Internatational Building Code.).
Charlie England wrote:
Jeff Point wrote:
>
> I called the local building inspection dept that would ultimate do the
> inspection for my hangar. That way I knew what they would be looking for.
> Dale Ensing
>
> That's the problem- I called the building inspector up front and asked
> him about the requirements, and he referred me to IBC 412 and the
> related Wisconsin building code as the ruling documents. Both of these
> spell out the absurdly ridiculous 10 foot above the airplane height
> requirement. There isn't a hangar on my airport, nor likely in the
> state that conforms to this, yet he won't budge on the issue. So much
> for trying to work with the inspector and being reasonable.
>
>
Then don't build a hangar. Build a big storage building with a really
big entry door.
You need to think like a bureaucrat. For instance, it's almost always
easy to get a 'special vfr' clearance to depart an airport, but it will
never be offered to you. (Ya gotta ask.)
Charlie
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
Timothy E. Cone wrote:
>
> http://my.execpc.com/~erdmannb/construction.html
>
>
>
> I wish I'd remembered I needed these before I installed my wings.
>
> Tim
They can be installed inside the fuse under the floor:
http://thervjournal.com/cold.html#boots
Sam Buchanan
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| From: | BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Spruce |
Listers, just a quick note about ACS's service, Ordered 3 pm pacific Pckg.
arrived Wed 11 am UPS ground regular.
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| Subject: | Who's posting from OSH? |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
(cross posted)
I know Doug Reeves has arranged a wireless upload for his stuff every day from
Oshkosh, but I'm trying to get a list together of everyone -- anywhere -- who's
posting on a daily (or near daily) basis from Oshkosh, be it Web sites, blogs,
photo uploads etc.
Please post the URL here.
If you intend to wait until you get home to put something together, please let
us know that as well. I usually try to do a RV Builder's Hotline article that
incorporates everyone's sites and I don't want to miss anyone.
Thanks
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| Subject: | Aileron pushrod boots |
| From: | "EXT-Allen, David" <david.allen(at)boeing.com> |
Thanks to everyone for the great feedback on this subject.
I have placed my order with Abby at Flightline.
This list is just amazing!
Dave
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| Subject: | Aileron Push Rod Seals |
Hi Dave
Attached is a picture of the plans to make push rod seals. Easy to make for
yourself. Looks like Fred Stucklen sent it to me awhile back. I'll post for
others on the picture section.
Pat Long
PGLong(at)aol.com
N120PL
RV4
Bay City, Michigan
3CM
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| From: | "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2(at)starband.net> |
| Subject: | Aileron pushrod boots |
So did I - she probably just got a surge in orders ;-)
brian
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of EXT-Allen, David
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:34 AM
Subject: RV-List: Aileron pushrod boots
Thanks to everyone for the great feedback on this subject.
I have placed my order with Abby at Flightline.
This list is just amazing!
Dave
3:30 PM
3:30 PM
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| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
Hey folks. I'm going to AirVenture on Wednesday, returning
Saturday. Hope to see some of you at the picnic. If anyone wanted
to attend during the same timeframe, I have room in my car. If
anyone needs anything transported, I also have room from my car.
I'll be leaving from Roseville at about 1:15 Wednesday afternoon and
returning Saturday evening.
I have a few questions for folks more in the know than I am.
1. Anyone know if there's any sort of WiFi access? I'm deciding if I
can blog & email while there. I know there's an internet cafe
somewhere, but wireless would rock.
2. Anyone know how the various presenters feel about being
videotaped? There are two presentations I really wanted to make but
conflict with other things I want to see even more. If I could get
someone attending the alternates to videotape, then I don't have to
miss anything.
Thanks.
-Joe
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| From: | Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron pushrod boots |
Here is a link to my web page showing how I installed my boots from
Flightline:
http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/FinishingUpPg2.htm
Surfing the web with my laptop from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my RV7A website: http://webpages.charter.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm
EXT-Allen, David wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone for the great feedback on this subject.
> I have placed my order with Abby at Flightline.
> This list is just amazing!
> Dave
>
>
>
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| From: | Jeff Dowling <shempdowling2(at)earthlink.net> |
I dont know for sure, but I think most of the presenters would have no
problem with you videotaping them. They're mostly just regular guys
doing a good thing and volunteering.
Shemp
Joseph Larson wrote:
>
> Hey folks. I'm going to AirVenture on Wednesday, returning Saturday.
> Hope to see some of you at the picnic. If anyone wanted to attend
> during the same timeframe, I have room in my car. If anyone needs
> anything transported, I also have room from my car. I'll be leaving
> from Roseville at about 1:15 Wednesday afternoon and returning
> Saturday evening.
>
> I have a few questions for folks more in the know than I am.
>
> 1. Anyone know if there's any sort of WiFi access? I'm deciding if I
> can blog & email while there. I know there's an internet cafe
> somewhere, but wireless would rock.
>
> 2. Anyone know how the various presenters feel about being
> videotaped? There are two presentations I really wanted to make but
> conflict with other things I want to see even more. If I could get
> someone attending the alternates to videotape, then I don't have to
> miss anything.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Joe
>
>
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You can purchase them at a kiosk just east of the forum buildings.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org>
Subject: RV-List: AirVenture
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:08:18 -0500
Hey folks. I'm going to AirVenture on Wednesday, returning Saturday. Hope
to see some of you at the picnic. If anyone wanted to attend during the
same timeframe, I have room in my car. If anyone needs anything
transported, I also have room from my car. I'll be leaving from Roseville
at about 1:15 Wednesday afternoon and returning Saturday evening.
I have a few questions for folks more in the know than I am.
1. Anyone know if there's any sort of WiFi access? I'm deciding if I can
blog & email while there. I know there's an internet cafe somewhere, but
wireless would rock.
2. Anyone know how the various presenters feel about being videotaped?
There are two presentations I really wanted to make but conflict with other
things I want to see even more. If I could get someone attending the
alternates to videotape, then I don't have to miss anything.
Thanks.
-Joe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Heathco" <cheathco(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Nose wheel tire size, RV6A |
I just rec 11x4.00x5 tire (what is on plane now) from spruce that is
permanantly deformed, no way to get tube in. its also only 2 ply and
says only 22lb. I want to replace with 6 ply and see they have a
11.400-5 which think would be same or nearly. anybody know if this size
will work? Im concerend about fiting in the "spats" Charlie Heathco
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Flamini, Dennis, Fran" <flamini2(at)comcast.net> |
Here is wi-fi info from some other groups;
Dennis from Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: Flamini, Dennis, Fran
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Leaving for Boo!!
Hello to everyone!
i am in Dallas for the week and will be going to OSH Sat and Sun.
i came across this on the Luscombe forum that may be of interest to
George;
Dennis in Dallas
I tried to send this yesterday, but apparently it didn't take.
The EAA put up wireless in the campgrounds this year, and one of the
antennas is pointing right at me sitting here at the intersection of
runways 9-27 and 13-31 at Oshkosh. If you're coming, bring your
laptop and WiFi card for free internet.
I've seen just two Luscombes so far. Jim Zazas's, which I think gets
here in June, and a nice cream and blue with square tail and wheelpants.
I had lunch yesterday at the volunteer kitchen with a nice gent who's
volunteering in Vintage who has owned 7 Luscombes (currently an 8-A
with flaps - !) and has restored a half-dozen for other people. He
lives a short walk from Gar Williams in Illinois. Unfortunately I
didn't get his name...
Anyway, so far so good up here in sunny Oshkosh!
Cheers,
Garrett
----- Original Message -----
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To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:45 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] Leaving for Boo!!
I'll be leaving for Boo early in the morning (Friday). The weather
looks great, I wish I were flying. I'll be bringing my son this year.
See you all Friday evening.
Mike and Kevin Wilson in St. Louis
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| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
Free internet? At OSH? EAA? Boy, those things don't go together.
That must have been a MAJOR oversight by the EAA Revenue Committee. Oh
well, they'll fix that next year.
Chuck Jensen
The EAA put up wireless in the campgrounds this year, and one of the
antennas is pointing right at me sitting here at the intersection of
runways 9-27 and 13-31 at Oshkosh. If you're coming, bring your
laptop and WiFi card for free internet.
I've seen just two Luscombes so far. Jim Zazas's, which I think gets
here in June, and a nice cream and blue with square tail and wheelpants.
I had lunch yesterday at the volunteer kitchen with a nice gent who's
volunteering in Vintage who has owned 7 Luscombes (currently an 8-A
with flaps - !) and has restored a half-dozen for other people. He
lives a short walk from Gar Williams in Illinois. Unfortunately I
didn't get his name...
Anyway, so far so good up here in sunny Oshkosh!
Cheers,
Garrett
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sarg314 <sarg314(at)comcast.net> |
My ten year old old Sears bench-top 10" band saw seems to have died.
The motor controller is dead. Sears can't replace it. It was a useful
saw because it was variable speed and could cut wood and aluminum.
I'm having trouble locating a comparable band saw. Sears doesn't sell a
metal band saw for less than $1000. Does any one know of a small, cheap
(= a lot less than $1000) metal band saw?
Thanks,
--
Tom S. , RV-6A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1(at)comcast.net> |
Tom,
Any woodworking bandsaw should be able to cut aluminum, as long as the blade
is fine enough.
Home Depot has a $100 (or thereabouts) tabletop model that might suffice for
your needs.
They also have a very nice $275 floor (15", I think) model that I purchased
to replace my Sears 10" variable speed saw when the motor controller went
bad. ;-)
For steel, I purchased a Harbor Freight metal cutting bandsaw. Cheap, but
effective for the small amount of steel I cut.
Kyle Boatright
----- Original Message -----
From: "sarg314" <sarg314(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: RV-List: band saw
>
> My ten year old old Sears bench-top 10" band saw seems to have died. The
> motor controller is dead. Sears can't replace it. It was a useful saw
> because it was variable speed and could cut wood and aluminum.
>
> I'm having trouble locating a comparable band saw. Sears doesn't sell a
> metal band saw for less than $1000. Does any one know of a small, cheap
> (= a lot less than $1000) metal band saw?
> Thanks,
> --
> Tom S. , RV-6A
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net> |
I bought a Delta Band Saw from Lowe's a year ago and it has done an acceptable
job. It's not variable speed, but I do use a metal cutting blade on it. For
the money, I would probably buy it again.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=59964-32764-28-276&lpage=none
Bill Settle
-8 Wings
>
> From: sarg314 <sarg314(at)comcast.net>
> Date: 2007/07/21 Sat PM 06:55:31 EST
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: band saw
>
>
> My ten year old old Sears bench-top 10" band saw seems to have died.
> The motor controller is dead. Sears can't replace it. It was a useful
> saw because it was variable speed and could cut wood and aluminum.
>
> I'm having trouble locating a comparable band saw. Sears doesn't sell a
> metal band saw for less than $1000. Does any one know of a small, cheap
> (= a lot less than $1000) metal band saw?
> Thanks,
> --
> Tom S. , RV-6A
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dale Mitchell <dfm4290(at)yahoo.com> |
Any wood cutting band saw will cut aluminum but the
blade runs to fast for steel.
Sears has one for around $325.00 that would work fine
fore aluminum.
Or look on craigs list for a used one.
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/about/cities.html
Dale
--- sarg314 wrote:
>
>
> My ten year old old Sears bench-top 10" band saw
> seems to have died.
> The motor controller is dead. Sears can't replace
> it. It was a useful
> saw because it was variable speed and could cut wood
> and aluminum.
>
> I'm having trouble locating a comparable band saw.
> Sears doesn't sell a
> metal band saw for less than $1000. Does any one
> know of a small, cheap
> (= a lot less than $1000) metal band saw?
> Thanks,
> --
> Tom S. , RV-6A
>
>
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| From: | "glaesers" <glaesers(at)wideopenwest.com> |
Whatever band saw you end up with, get a bi-metalic blade for it to cut
metal. I get them from a local tool supply shop (custom made to any
length), but you can also get them from McMaster Carr. The wood cutting
blades are OK for a while if you are only cutting aluminum sheet. They wear
out rather quickly cutting any thick stuff. The bi-metalic blades cut the
thick stuff no problem and last quite a while.
Dennis Glaeser
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Cudney <yenduc(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Four years ago I purchased a small variable speed band saw from
Harbor Freight for about $60. It works great with a 1/4 inch blade
with 14 teeth per inch. Trouble is the machine is made such that it
won't work with a blade thicker than 0.015 inches. Although I
bought several blades with the saw, I am now on my last one.
Harbor freight no longer stocks these band saw nor the blades. I
have not been able to fine a blade that thin or have one made here in
southern CA. I also had no luck on the internet. Most common band
saw blades for small band saws are 0.025 - 0.030 inches thick. Last
month I purchased a Sears single speed 10 inch bad saw for $149 and
had several blades made up for it at a local shop. It seems to work
fine for aluminum, But I still like the old Harbor Freight saw --
just couldn't find any blades for it. I think with the next batch of
blades I have made up I'll try 18 teeth per inch for a smoother cut
as the sears blade turns somewhat slower than the old machine.
good luck
Dave
(RV 7A, will be starting on the cowling soon)
On Jul 21, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Dale Mitchell wrote:
>
> Any wood cutting band saw will cut aluminum but the
> blade runs to fast for steel.
> Sears has one for around $325.00 that would work fine
> fore aluminum.
> Or look on craigs list for a used one.
> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/about/cities.html
> Dale
>
>
> --- sarg314 wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>> My ten year old old Sears bench-top 10" band saw
>> seems to have died.
>> The motor controller is dead. Sears can't replace
>> it. It was a useful
>> saw because it was variable speed and could cut wood
>> and aluminum.
>>
>> I'm having trouble locating a comparable band saw.
>> Sears doesn't sell a
>> metal band saw for less than $1000. Does any one
>> know of a small, cheap
>> (= a lot less than $1000) metal band saw?
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Tom S. , RV-6A
>>
>>
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>>
>> Web Forums!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Need a vacation? Get great deals
> to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
> http://travel.yahoo.com/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <jhstarn(at)verizon.net> |
Got our Royla for $100 range (spelling ?) at Home Depot. With several blades we
have cut stainless, aluminum, and wood up to 2X4 size. 59 1/2 blades are not
easy to find BUT we buy two of each. Working great for better than two years.
KABONG
HRII N561FS AND N561FS .25 OR Harmon Rocket .II(pedal plane)
>From: Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net>
>Date: 2007/07/21 Sat PM 08:32:58 CDT
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: band saw
>
>I bought a Delta Band Saw from Lowe's a year ago and it has done an acceptable
job. It's not variable speed, but I do use a metal cutting blade on it. For
the money, I would probably buy it again.
>
>http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=59964-32764-28-276&lpage=none
>
>Bill Settle
>-8 Wings
>
>
>>
>> From: sarg314 <sarg314(at)comcast.net>
>> Date: 2007/07/21 Sat PM 06:55:31 EST
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: band saw
>>
>>
>> My ten year old old Sears bench-top 10" band saw seems to have died.
>> The motor controller is dead. Sears can't replace it. It was a useful
>> saw because it was variable speed and could cut wood and aluminum.
>>
>> I'm having trouble locating a comparable band saw. Sears doesn't sell a
>> metal band saw for less than $1000. Does any one know of a small, cheap
>> (= a lot less than $1000) metal band saw?
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Tom S. , RV-6A
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Crosley" <rcrosley(at)adelphia.net> |
Check out Grizzly Tools, http://grizzly.com/
I just requested a free catalog from them and got it in less than a
week. It's about an inch thick with every tool I ever seen. Looks like
a good tool source.
Rich Crosley
RV8, N948RC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
The sender would like to recall the message, "RE: RV-List: wi-fi OSH".
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Glen Matejcek <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
> Does any one know of a small, cheap
>(= a lot less than $1000) metal band saw?
>Thanks,
>--
>Tom S. , RV-6A
Hi Tom-
You might try http://www.use-enco.com
gm
Glen Matejcek
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
> Kabong,
> You're right in that "whining" and "free" are inextricably intertwined.
> My comment about EAA being a bit of a penny-pinching (unless it's our
> money, then they are dollar-pinchers) is driven by the actions, or
> inaction, of EAA. Here's an organization that has $63,000,000 in assets
> and $50,000,000 in equity, yet they do precious little for aviation except
> sponsor another Airventure to make even more money.
During the Centennial of Flight I called someone in EAA and suggested that
they allow
pilots in free (at least experimentals) that year. To the best of my
knowledge, they
did not do it. I will take a local airport breakfast fly-in or the the LOE
fly-in any
day over an EAA event.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bruce Swayze <swayze(at)europa.com> |
I have a $99 Ryobi benchtop bandsaw that I bought at Home Depot about
5 years ago. It works fine for everything I have used it for, which
includes woodwork and aluminum. I bought an 18-teeth/inch blade, also
at Home Depot for less than $10.00, and it cuts through aluminum like
butter. Even the thick stuff. So I expect it to take care of all my
needs for my RV project. I tried using this blade on steel and it cut
through it, but also ruined the blade. Less than $10 to replace it.
Can't complain. Lesson learned.
One of the features that I like best about it is that there is a
fitting on the bottom for my shop-vac hose. I hook up the hose and
turn on the shop-vac whenever I use it. I love it.
At 04:55 PM 7/21/2007, you wrote:
>
>My ten year old old Sears bench-top 10" band saw seems to have died.
>The motor controller is dead. Sears can't replace it. It was a
>useful saw because it was variable speed and could cut wood and aluminum.
>
>I'm having trouble locating a comparable band saw. Sears doesn't
>sell a metal band saw for less than $1000. Does any one know of a
>small, cheap (= a lot less than $1000) metal band saw?
>Thanks,
>--
>Tom S. , RV-6A
Bruce Swayze
RV-7A
Empennage finished, working on STANDARD-build wings
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | PJ Seipel <seipel(at)seznam.cz> |
| Subject: | Re: band saw - harbor freight saw source for blades |
If it's the Harbor Freight three wheeler kind and looks like the one in
the picture here:
http://www.supercutbandsaw.com/threewheeler.html
Then you can get the 0.014 thick blades from:
http://magnate.net/index.cfm?event=showProductGroup&theID=460
They cost about $10 each, and you can even get 24 teeth per inch, which
is great for cutting aluminum. I've had great success and have rarely
had one break even though I abuse them quite a bit.
PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032
Dave Cudney wrote:
>
>
> Four years ago I purchased a small variable speed band saw from Harbor
> Freight for about $60. It works great with a 1/4 inch blade with 14
> teeth per inch. Trouble is the machine is made such that it won't
> work with a blade thicker than 0.015 inches. Although I bought
> several blades with the saw, I am now on my last one. Harbor
> freight no longer stocks these band saw nor the blades. I have not
> been able to fine a blade that thin or have one made here in southern
> CA. I also had no luck on the internet. Most common band saw blades
> for small band saws are 0.025 - 0.030 inches thick. Last month I
> purchased a Sears single speed 10 inch bad saw for $149 and had
> several blades made up for it at a local shop. It seems to work fine
> for aluminum, But I still like the old Harbor Freight saw -- just
> couldn't find any blades for it. I think with the next batch of
> blades I have made up I'll try 18 teeth per inch for a smoother cut as
> the sears blade turns somewhat slower than the old machine.
>
> good luck
> Dave
> (RV 7A, will be starting on the cowling soon)
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Dale Mitchell wrote:
>
>>
>> Any wood cutting band saw will cut aluminum but the
>> blade runs to fast for steel.
>> Sears has one for around $325.00 that would work fine
>> fore aluminum.
>> Or look on craigs list for a used one.
>> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/about/cities.html
>> Dale
>>
>>
>> --- sarg314 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My ten year old old Sears bench-top 10" band saw
>>> seems to have died.
>>> The motor controller is dead. Sears can't replace
>>> it. It was a useful
>>> saw because it was variable speed and could cut wood
>>> and aluminum.
>>>
>>> I'm having trouble locating a comparable band saw.
>>> Sears doesn't sell a
>>> metal band saw for less than $1000. Does any one
>>> know of a small, cheap
>>> (= a lot less than $1000) metal band saw?
>>> Thanks,
>>> --
>>> Tom S. , RV-6A
>>>
>>>
>>> browse
>>> Subscriptions page,
>>> FAQ,
>>>
>>> Web Forums!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Need a vacation? Get great deals
>> to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
>> http://travel.yahoo.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kelly Patterson" <kbob(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Aircraft on ground - need help in Denver area. |
Hi Guys & Gals,
My RV-6A stuck a valve on the way to OSH and I made an emergency landing at
an airport in Hoxie, Kansas. All went well for my first real emergency
landing and I have a new cylinder on the way to get the plane airworthy.
I have a request from a fellow RV pilot in the Denver area. I'm looking for
a ride from the Denver airport (or Front Range airport) to the Hoxie, KS
airport (1F5). I will be in Denver on Friday the 27th around noon at DEN.
I will gladly pay all expenses for a ride (car or plane) to the field in
Hoxie.
This is the only part of the repair and retreival I have yet to work out, so
any help would be appreciated.
Please contact me via email: kbob(at)cox.net or cell phone 602-448-3518.
Thanks everyone,
Kelly Patterson
RV-6A N716K
PHX, AZ
________________________________________________________________________________
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| From: | "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Firewall shields |
Question on stainless steel firewall shields. I'm using two of them, one
covers my EGT/CHT harness (8 cables each containing two individual insulated
thermocouple wires surrounded by a yellow or brown cover of, I believe,
tefzel). The second one covers my VM-1000 sensor cables (half dozen 4
conductor with foil shield and tefzel outer cover).
The CHT/EGT hole in the stainless firewall has a plastic busing installed
and the harness fits through this bushing slightly snug and the firewall
shield just fits around the whole thing without having to squeeze the shield
against the wires.
The sensor cables make use of a hole I originally cut through the firewall
for an eye-ball control cable mount. The hole is quite large and a bushing
would still leave the harness not centered in the firewall shield and
sitting on the thin firewall shield material.
I've cleaned up the shear marks and smoothed the edges on the firewall
shields but am still a bit nervous about the thin material chaffing the
wires, especially the large sensor wire hole. Any thoughts/ideas on this?
Am I being too paranoid? Since we can no longer procure asbestos to make
gaskets to go under the shield what is everyone doing here? Are you using
some sort of grommet over the edges of the stainless shields to protect your
cables from chaffing....or? Thanks.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Last of the wiring.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aircraft on ground - need help in Denver area. |
I will be flying for ID to OK spending Thurs night in Denver with my son, and proceeding
on Fri. morning. I am planning on landing at Centennial or Jeffco. I
can divert to Roxie in the Bonanza.
Hi Guys & Gals,
My RV-6A stuck a valve on the way to OSH and I made an emergency landing at
an airport in Hoxie, Kansas. All went well for my first real emergency
landing and I have a new cylinder on the way to get the plane airworthy.
I have a request from a fellow RV pilot in the Denver area. I'm looking for
a ride from the Denver airport (or Front Range airport) to the Hoxie, KS
airport (1F5). I will be in Denver on Friday the 27th around noon at DEN.
I will gladly pay all expenses for a ride (car or plane) to the field in
Hoxie.
This is the only part of the repair and retreival I have yet to work out, so
any help would be appreciated.
Please contact me via email: kbob(at)cox.net or cell phone 602-448-3518.
Thanks everyone,
Kelly Patterson
RV-6A N716K
PHX, AZ
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ron Schreck <ronschreck(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Firewall shields |
Dean,
I used a few wraps of exhause wrap around my wire bundles and then a bit of RTV
to anchor them firmly in the firewall shield. Works great! Checkk out the link
to Pegasus Racing:
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=1827&iorb=4764
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
*********************************************************************************************
Question on stainless steel firewall shields. I'm using two of them, one
covers my EGT/CHT harness (8 cables each containing two individual insulated
thermocouple wires surrounded by a yellow or brown cover of, I believe,
tefzel). The second one covers my VM-1000 sensor cables (half dozen 4
conductor with foil shield and tefzel outer cover).
The CHT/EGT hole in the stainless firewall has a plastic busing installed
and the harness fits through this bushing slightly snug and the firewall
shield just fits around the whole thing without having to squeeze the shield
against the wires.
The sensor cables make use of a hole I originally cut through the firewall
for an eye-ball control cable mount. The hole is quite large and a bushing
would still leave the harness not centered in the firewall shield and
sitting on the thin firewall shield material.
I've cleaned up the shear marks and smoothed the edges on the firewall
shields but am still a bit nervous about the thin material chaffing the
wires, especially the large sensor wire hole. Any thoughts/ideas on this?
Am I being too paranoid? Since we can no longer procure asbestos to make
gaskets to go under the shield what is everyone doing here? Are you using
some sort of grommet over the edges of the stainless shields to protect your
cables from chaffing....or? Thanks.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Last of the wiring.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firewall shields |
Excellent ideas for SS tubing and firesleeve pass-thru's on the
Aero-Electric matronics list. That;s what I'll be retrofitting to when I
get the chance.
-Bill B
On 7/23/07, Ron Schreck wrote:
>
>
> Dean,
>
> I used a few wraps of exhause wrap around my wire bundles and then a bit
> of RTV to anchor them firmly in the firewall shield. Works great! Checkk
> out the link to Pegasus Racing:
>
>
> http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=1827&iorb=4764
>
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
> *********************************************************************************************
>
> Question on stainless steel firewall shields. I'm using two of
> them, one
> covers my EGT/CHT harness (8 cables each containing two individual
> insulated
> thermocouple wires surrounded by a yellow or brown cover of, I
> believe,
> tefzel). The second one covers my VM-1000 sensor cables (half dozen
> 4
> conductor with foil shield and tefzel outer cover).
>
> The CHT/EGT hole in the stainless firewall has a plastic busing
> installed
> and the harness fits through this bushing slightly snug and the
> firewall
> shield just fits around the whole thing without having to squeeze
> the shield
> against the wires.
>
> The sensor cables make use of a hole I originally cut through the
> firewall
> for an eye-ball control cable mount. The hole is quite large and a
> bushing
> would still leave the harness not centered in the firewall shield
> and
> sitting on the thin firewall shield material.
>
> I've cleaned up the shear marks and smoothed the edges on the
> firewall
> shields but am still a bit nervous about the thin material chaffing
> the
> wires, especially the large sensor wire hole. Any thoughts/ideas on
> this?
> Am I being too paranoid? Since we can no longer procure asbestos to
> make
> gaskets to go under the shield what is everyone doing here? Are you
> using
> some sort of grommet over the edges of the stainless shields to
> protect your
> cables from chaffing....or? Thanks.
>
> Dean Psiropoulos
> RV-6A N197DM
> Last of the wiring.
>
>
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| From: | "Don Mack" <don(at)dmack.net> |
| Subject: | Need a RV6/A wing measurement |
I am getting ready to paint the wings on my RV-6A. I have not installed the
wing / fuselage intersection fairing yet (wing is not on the plane). Can
someone out there with a finished 6/6A give me a measurement from the
fuselage to the end of the wing, not including the wingtip? I am laying out
a pattern on paper for scallops and want to get it as close as I can.
Thanks
Don Mack
don(at)dmack.net www.dmack.net
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need a RV6/A wing measurement |
I can measure it for you Don. At what point on the wing would you like the
measurement? Leading edge? Spar?
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Mack" <don(at)dmack.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:45 PM
Subject: RV-List: Need a RV6/A wing measurement
>
> I am getting ready to paint the wings on my RV-6A. I have not installed
> the
> wing / fuselage intersection fairing yet (wing is not on the plane). Can
> someone out there with a finished 6/6A give me a measurement from the
> fuselage to the end of the wing, not including the wingtip? I am laying
> out
> a pattern on paper for scallops and want to get it as close as I can.
>
> Thanks
>
> Don Mack
> don(at)dmack.net www.dmack.net
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster(at)flion.com> |
| Subject: | Need a RV6/A wing measurement |
There's not a single measurement. The fuselage side is not parallel to the
inboard rib of the wing due to dihedral and curvature of the fuselage. The
closest point (shortest length) is at the top of the main spar. I am not
sure how your scheme is planned but it might be better to assemble the plane
and do your layout then. Besides, the work of fabricating the fairings is
going to 1) ruin any paint nearby and 2) require you remove the wings again
anyway to put in nutplates.
Pat Kelley - RV-6A - Waiting for panel from Aerotronics
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Mack
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:46 PM
Subject: RV-List: Need a RV6/A wing measurement
I am getting ready to paint the wings on my RV-6A. I have not installed the
wing / fuselage intersection fairing yet (wing is not on the plane). Can
someone out there with a finished 6/6A give me a measurement from the
fuselage to the end of the wing, not including the wingtip? I am laying out
a pattern on paper for scallops and want to get it as close as I can.
Thanks
Don Mack
don(at)dmack.net www.dmack.net
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| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
Last week, I criticized the EAA for "charging for everything" and "doing
little", though my criticism of the EAA was measured, mostly by the good
done by the local chapter. Please "unmeasure" my criticism of the
National EAA Organization. Please read the suck-up comments by
Proberenzy.
http://www.airventure.org/2007/4wed25/blakey.html
You are heaping accolades on Blakey by, and I quote, "During Marion
Blakey's tenure as FAA chief," says EAA President Tom Poberezny, "EAA
has enjoyed the best and most collaborative relationship with the FAA in
EAA's 55-year history.
Good gawd man, save what little dignity, respect and credibility that
you may have the good fortune to retain. The fact is, hHere is a
political appointee that has been doing the water-carrying for
Commercial Aviation/ATA in trying to shove user fees down our throats
while giving rate cuts, tax breaks and give-backs to the Airlines.
Mr. Proberezny, please see Phil Boyer, AOPA President. You will be
humbled in his presence. He actually has the stones to confront Blakey
on this world-class bad idea, rather than sucking up. I am embarrased
for you.
Chuck Jensen
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| From: | Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Course over the mountains - east to west |
That would be me that you are asking about. I suggested that one of ht epo
ssible routes, especially for someone that does not know the rockies, is to
fly along I-80 through Wyoming, then follow I-84 through Idaho and Oregon
to Portland. You will see lots of great countryside and still have lots of
places to land , fuel up and stop overnight.. if you would like more info
drop me a line.
Mike Robertson
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Course over the mountains -
east to west> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:23:20 -0700> From: n212pj(at)gmail.com
back there was a thread about flying over the Rockies from east to> west,
to get to someplace like Portland. I have misplaced that series of> emails.
I'm about to fly from NC to Portland and would like to revisit that> discu
ssion. I believe someone said to just follow I-80 or I-90 or something> sim
ilar. Any specific route planning would be helpful as a starting point,> th
==> > >
_________________________________________________________________
Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!--
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
Chuck Jensen wrote:
>
> Last week, I criticized the EAA for "charging for everything" and "doing
> little", though my criticism of the EAA was measured, mostly by the good
> done by the local chapter. Please "unmeasure" my criticism of the
> National EAA Organization. Please read the suck-up comments by
> Proberenzy.
>
> http://www.airventure.org/2007/4wed25/blakey.html
>
> You are heaping accolades on Blakey by, and I quote, "During Marion
> Blakey's tenure as FAA chief," says EAA President Tom Poberezny, "EAA
> has enjoyed the best and most collaborative relationship with the FAA in
> EAA's 55-year history.
>
> Good gawd man, save what little dignity, respect and credibility that
> you may have the good fortune to retain. The fact is, hHere is a
> political appointee that has been doing the water-carrying for
> Commercial Aviation/ATA in trying to shove user fees down our throats
> while giving rate cuts, tax breaks and give-backs to the Airlines.
>
> Mr. Proberezny, please see Phil Boyer, AOPA President. You will be
> humbled in his presence. He actually has the stones to confront Blakey
> on this world-class bad idea, rather than sucking up. I am embarrased
> for you.
>
> Chuck Jensen
Hi Chuck,
I intended to email you privately & say you had no reason to back down
from your previous little jab related to wireless internet access, but
before I have a chance, this stuff shows up.
Thanks for keeping us informed.
Anyone who thinks Chuck's previous prediction about wireless access was
misguided should read Bob Collins' 'diary' blog about OSH. In it, he
reports on that wireless access. If I read his report correctly, the
only reason it's free this year is that they tried to charge last year &
it wasn't properly set up. This year is a test run & if coverage is
adequate, it will be fee based again next year.
(Do I hear an apology from the 'faithful'?)
Charlie
(Last thread of OSH support broken several years ago by the Homebuilt HQ
guy having to yell over the Jet Truck to tell me that the budget just
couldn't cover supplying 'Oshkosh Pilot' pins any more.)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
Don't take what I say about the wireless as gospel. We're just a bunch of folks
sitting around in the evening in the camp going on what we heard about what we
heard about what we heard.
I did get an email from EAA reminding that EAA and SnF are two separate organizations,
and that there are no present plans to charge; that the effort this year
is to evaluate how it went and take it from there regarding expansion.
Will EAA charge? Do I have a smoking gun to answer the question beyond a shadow
of a doubt? No.
Will EAA charge? Oh yes. But I wouldn't blame them. I presume it costs them to
provide it and I've seen no evidence that the goal of the organization is to
cut its profit margin.
Service, btw, has been spotty from day to day. Definitely a good thing to have
though.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125735#125735
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| From: | Oldsfolks(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Re: RV4-List: Tires for RV4 |
I had a Cessna 180 for 10 years and the small tailwheel tire would seep the
air pressure down over a short perion of time. I filled it with
"Fix-A-Flat " and it would hold the pressure for a looong time. I think the
same
would work with the RV tires - what can you lose ?? You would buy the
expensive tubes anyway !!
Bob Olds
RV-4 N1191X
Charleston,Arkansas
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| From: | "edwisch(at)cableone.net" <edwisch(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | Moving, must sell RV-10 QB |
* Tail kit is mostly done -- and no smileys!! very good workmanship, although you
might choose to look at two boo-boos in
the horizontal tail, but if you don't like it, those parts are only $500 or so.
* Virtually nothing done on the wings or fuselage
* No finishing kit -- it went to a neighbor's RV-10
Kit is in Prescott, AZ, $23,000, several thousand less than Van's price
Also selling an AirCam, $78,000, 200 hours
and a cherry straight tail Cessna, http://www.greatusermanuals.com/c175/, $60,000
edwisch(at)alum.mit.edu
928 533-9351 (cell)
---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net
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| From: | John Loretz <rv8(at)loretz.us> |
| Subject: | Re: Aircraft on ground - need help in Denver area. |
Kelly,
I live in the Denver area (Centennial KAPA) and have an RV8. I'll
give you a call to see if I can help.
John
On Jul 22, 2007, at 7:37 PM, Kelly Patterson wrote:
>
> Hi Guys & Gals,
>
> My RV-6A stuck a valve on the way to OSH and I made an emergency
> landing at an airport in Hoxie, Kansas. All went well for my first
> real emergency landing and I have a new cylinder on the way to get
> the plane airworthy.
>
> I have a request from a fellow RV pilot in the Denver area. I'm
> looking for a ride from the Denver airport (or Front Range airport)
> to the Hoxie, KS airport (1F5). I will be in Denver on Friday the
> 27th around noon at DEN. I will gladly pay all expenses for a ride
> (car or plane) to the field in Hoxie.
>
> This is the only part of the repair and retreival I have yet to
> work out, so any help would be appreciated.
>
> Please contact me via email: kbob(at)cox.net or cell phone 602-448-3518.
>
> Thanks everyone,
>
> Kelly Patterson
> RV-6A N716K
> PHX, AZ
>
>
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Flight Cheetah FL190 GPS? |
Does anyone on the list have any personal experience with owning/using
the Flight Cheetah FL190 GPS? If so, what is your general overall
impression and would you recommend it.
Thanks
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
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| From: | "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
> I've never been able to figure out where all the OSH money goes when
> virtually every worker, including the performers & those bringing show
> planes (except the security people) is a volunteer.
Can you say "profit for the family"
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
I haven't taken the bus (I have a parking spot in the media lot) this year, but
I've certainly taken the bus from camp before.What are they charging this year.
In the past there's always been a box next to the driver with a suggested donation
of 25 cents. I always put a dollar in becuase I was ashamed of my fellow passengers
who had no problem spending $30,000 for an instrument panel, but couldn't
fork over 25 cents for a bus ride.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125853#125853
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| From: | <gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
I am not disagreeing with anyone's complaint about EAA or
AirVenture, it's a personal experience. I have heard
complaints before. I've gone to the big show may be 10
times in the last twenty years. It's a lot of fun and I would
hate to think about it not being there. As far as cost, I agree
that it can be expensive. Admissions where $22 a day and
$7 to park, $18? to camp (regardless of occupancy). That is
the price. I don't see that as too expensive. To go to a music
concert now a days its $100. I can't talk about shuttle cost
but the buss and little tram where always free/donation before.
The food vendors are crazy but than that is common issue.
What you can say, the EAA has a pretty orginized clean
operation. It has not changed in a long time. Most of my
complaints are not in EAA's control, crowds and weather.
How EAA uses their money? As a non-profit I would think
the IRS and Gov has pretty good accounting of that. Does
Tom make too much money? I don't know. I don't think any
one is getting rich of Aviation, including the EAA.
I agree the 'E' in EAA is not really there any more. For a long
time that has been a big complaint, that the War Birds get the
glory? Well there may be truth to that. I agree but to most folks
want to see and hear the heavy iron. The homebuilt does still
get show center and some subtle perks over regular planes.
However EAA is a big group with war birds, antiques, classics,
acro, ultra lights and now LSA, which I think is an ill conceived
class of plane and pilot, but that is another story.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Sam James Cowl air inlet rings |
| From: | "Dave Weisgerber" <dweisgerber(at)homeworkswildblue.com> |
I have a Sam James cowl on my RV6. I am looking for a set of air inlet rings that
are smaller inside diameter, but the same outside diameter so I can just put
them in and not have to change the front of my cowl. I think I can get by
with less cooling air because I only have an O-320 and the cylinder head temps.
are low. I saw Dick Martin at the Airventure Cup Race and I think he had some
different size rings for his, I am just trying to buy some rings to experiment
with. If Dick reads this or anybody knows where Dick got them could you please
let me know. My E-mail address is dweisgerber(at)homeworkswildblue.com
--------
Dave Weisgerber
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125932#125932
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| From: | "David Carter" <dcarter11(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | RV-6 Quickbuild Project for sale |
Realized I wasn't going to complete my RV-6 project in a timely manner
(before I died or became age impacted) - worked on it 10 years, Jan 1997
- now, July 2007) so, with wife's prodding, bought a flying RV-6 on 1
June 2007 and am flying - no longer building.
RV-6 project for sale - is a Quick Build kit:
- Empennage is complete. Fiberglass tips are cleco'd on - and fit
perfectly (lot of work).
- Control stick and rudder pedals are installed (dual brakes) (rudder
pedals not drilled into place, awaiting sitting and fitting for my 6'4"
frame), and elevator pushtube and elevator trim are complete.
- Fuselage has top aft skin riveted on and skin from there fwd to aft
canopy is drilled, primed, and ready for installation - after fit
canopy.
- Whelen tail position light/strobe is installed in lower rudder
fiberglass fairing and power supply is installed on small deck in front
of Vertical Stab front spar - wires are all installed, with service
loops, conduits, and connectors for easy replacement of light bulb
assembly when needed. Power wire is run to cockpit.
- Seats, cockpit floors, and canopy rails are finished (but floors
removed during other work)
- Canopy roll bar is installed.
- Canopy frame parts are finished and ready to be primed and riveted
together - I plan to do this before selling project. Tip up canopy
release mechanism is complete.
- Have not installed canopy glass or locking/latching components.
-QB wings have not been put on for sizing the aileron push tubes.
- Wings, ailerons, flaps, and all fiberglass fairings & everything else
that came with Finish Kit and have been stored with NO hanger rash.
Canopy plexi is still in Finish Kit box.
- Corrision control priming: All empennage and other parts I fabricated
and installed have been corrosion control primed with Pratt and Lambert
strontium chromate green primer after alodine prep.
- All work has been high quality, with careful, close coordination with
Van's during construction.
- Not looking to make anything on my time and experience - that is mine
to treasure for a lifetime.
- Have $22,524 invested for kits, shipping, position/strobe lights, and
miscellaneious parts fasteners purchased along the way. I'm listing the
Pacific Aero 5? point seat/shoulder harness separately as an option in
addition to the $22,524.
. . . I was going to do a special engine mount and landing gear, so am
not selling those componenets. They will cost you another approximately
$450 each to buy standard items direct from Van's.
If interested, please reply "off list" to dcarter11(at)sbcglobal.net
David Carter
H 409-722-7259
cell 409-718-8518 (not "on" when home - only on trips)
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| From: | <gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sam James Cowl air inlet rings |
Get out the fiberglass. I have done this with a stock cowl and seen it done on
a Jame cowl. You basically glass inside the existing rings or just make new inserts.
You can make it temporary and changeable as you suggest. Be sure if you
glass in the original ring to use parting wax. The inserts can secure with tape
or tape. This way you can experiment with new shapes and areas. You could make
something up with hi-dens foam and a carving knife. Than coat it foam with
some resin. Just pop it in and fly. The down side is the more crude you make
it the less change you may see with speed, but cooling changes should be valid.
Speed wise, your change will be there but small. Consider cowl exit changes
as well (cowl flap). For cooling fly on a 100F day in climb to really give the
new inlet area the acid test.
You can do as you said you saw on the RV-8, and make a more a trumpet or bell
shape inlet with a smaller throat.
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1166/image030aa6.jpg
The cowl profile is based around the major diameter of the insert, so you may
end up with a wider lip around the inlet to make the throat smaller. The shape
of the lip is important so play with that as well. Consider going out towards
the prop, but with at least say 3/16" clearance?
How to do fiberglass and make the shapes, can't help. Consider just using foam
inserts and than coating them with resin. Just keep that external lip in mind,
don't make it too blunt, and internally when you go from inlet ring insert
to the soft duct you may have a big lip or jump.
Here are two picture from a talent RV-6 tinker. He basically made his own inserts
all together. The idea is as you desire, to reduce the inlet area.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9087/dsc07624jw6.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3407/dsc07635qn8.jpg
The transition from the smaller diameter insert to the soft duct may trip turbulence.
From the pics above you see that he flairs it back out to meet the soft
ducts ID. You don't want a big area change. Consider a new soft duct couple.
Buy an old wet suit and use different parts of the legs or arms to get the right
diameter.
You may pick up speed but it will be small, but every little bit helps. Plan
on doing some good BEFORE flights and after flight test. Also one flight will
not be enough. You should do many flights and average the speeds. The scatter
or error in our flight test can be over a MPH, so the change may be in that scatter.
You did not say what OT and CHT you are getting but if you are running
cold this will be of benefit. My O-320 RV-4 always ran cool and it took a lot
of work with a smaller oil cooler and inlet mods to get the temps in the OT=180F
and CHT=low/mid 300's.
(Do you have the spread sheet for averaging speeds on three legs on constant
track?) As I said consider the exit of the cowl along with the inlet changes?
(like a cowl flap).
Write me direct if you want to experiment, we can talk. George RV-7
>Subject: RV-List: Sam James Cowl air inlet rings
>From: "Dave Weisgerber" <dweisgerber(at)homeworkswildblue.com>
>I have a Sam James cowl on my RV6. I am looking for a set of air inlet
>rings that are smaller inside diameter, but the same outside diameter so I can
>just put them in and not have to change the front of my cowl. I think I can
get
> by with less cooling air because I only have an O-320 and the cylinder
> head temps.
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Trotter <ptrotter(at)acm.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Sam James Cowl air inlet rings |
Dave,
I believe that Dick Martin makes these and may sell them. I expect that
somebody here knows his contact info.
Paul
Dave Weisgerber wrote:
>
> I have a Sam James cowl on my RV6. I am looking for a set of air inlet rings
that are smaller inside diameter, but the same outside diameter so I can just
put them in and not have to change the front of my cowl. I think I can get by
with less cooling air because I only have an O-320 and the cylinder head temps.
are low. I saw Dick Martin at the Airventure Cup Race and I think he had
some different size rings for his, I am just trying to buy some rings to experiment
with. If Dick reads this or anybody knows where Dick got them could you
please let me know. My E-mail address is dweisgerber(at)homeworkswildblue.com
>
> --------
> Dave Weisgerber
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125932#125932
>
>
>
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| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
Here's my take...
EAA's annual fee is reasonable. I just wish the magazine spent more
time on EXPERIMENTAL airplanes and less on, well, everything else --
including all the self-promoting they do. I REALLY get tired of the
self-promoting.
AirVenture is too expensive. But then, I have to wonder what the
cost is of all those porta-potties.
AirVenture would be a lot better with some small changes. For one,
more places to wash your hands! With soap. The maps should show the
routes all the trams and busses take, maybe even with time to travel
so you can decide if the tram is better than walking.
The air show at AirVenture -- war birds and Extras, Extras and war
birds. Where are the experimentals? And Mr. Announcer... SHUT UP.
Could you be any more insipid? Also the staged "fake" performances
are lame.
The workshops at AirVenture rock!
And I love the great access to all the vendors. 20 minute
conversation with one of the guys from P-Mag, for instance.
-J
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RV 'A' series lower cowl installation |
I have my upper cowl pretty much trimmed the way that I want it and am looking
to start working on the lower cowl half.
I have been contemplating doing this installation with the nose gear leg removed...for
a number of reasons:
1. Ease of doing the installation. Remembering how many times the top came off
and on during its fitting - I can see that sliding this thing out and under
the three blade prop will be a RPITA.
2. Working on one variable at a time. I'll be having enough fun trimming the
aft end and sides without having to worry about the nose gear slot at the same
time.
3. If there are any differences between ground operations and flying operations
(there shouldn't be), I want the flying configuration to take priority.
My thinking of how to do it involves:
Weighting down the tail end so it is resting on a support.
Safety strapping around the prop - not lifting, just there in case.
Remove nose gear.
Fit the lower cowl per instructions (pretty much as if it were a tailweel airplane).
When I'm done for the day, put the nosegear back on for safety reasons.
After the lower cowl is fitted and the cam-locs/hinges are installed, I can work
on the nosegear slot as a seperate operation.
If you've been there, done that...your thoughts, please!
If you're thinking 'he forgot about...' then tell me!
If you think I'm on the right track, let me know - it'll reinforce the educational
part of why the FAA says we can do this!
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2(at)starband.net> |
In my experience, Grizzlys tools, and especially customer service, are much
better than Harbor Freight
brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Crosley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: band saw
Check out Grizzly Tools, http://grizzly.com/
I just requested a free catalog from them and got it in less than a week.
It's about an inch thick with every tool I ever seen. Looks like a good
tool source.
Rich Crosley
RV8, N948RC
11:14 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jeff Orear" <jorear(at)new.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
Gotta Jump in here
On the local news, Tom P. was saying that there are some changes in store
for the next few years, He claims that EAA will be spending more $ on
improvements over the next 5 years than they have over the last 25.
Some things that were mentioned were better transport around the grounds as
well as from the parking lots for the day-trippers, as well as improvements
to the campground. No specifics, but electric hookups would be nice.....
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P ( back from my first flight into OSH)
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Larson" <jpl(at)showpage.org>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
>
> Here's my take...
>
> EAA's annual fee is reasonable. I just wish the magazine spent more time
> on EXPERIMENTAL airplanes and less on, well, everything else -- including
> all the self-promoting they do. I REALLY get tired of the
> self-promoting.
>
> AirVenture is too expensive. But then, I have to wonder what the cost is
> of all those porta-potties.
>
> AirVenture would be a lot better with some small changes. For one, more
> places to wash your hands! With soap. The maps should show the routes
> all the trams and busses take, maybe even with time to travel so you can
> decide if the tram is better than walking.
>
> The air show at AirVenture -- war birds and Extras, Extras and war birds.
> Where are the experimentals? And Mr. Announcer... SHUT UP. Could you be
> any more insipid? Also the staged "fake" performances are lame.
>
> The workshops at AirVenture rock!
>
> And I love the great access to all the vendors. 20 minute conversation
> with one of the guys from P-Mag, for instance.
>
> -J
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
| Subject: | RV 'A' series lower cowl installation |
Ralph,
I think your idea of removing the nose gear during the fitting of the lower
cowl is a good one, but I would suggest you also remove that 3 bladed prop.
Van's has a detail of how to set a spacer to locate the prop spinner so you
can fit the cowl without having the prop in the way.
Another suggestion is to take a little time to build some sort of cart that
holds the lower cowl close to the proper height so you can roll it in and
out as you work on the fit. My guess is that it is going to be necessary
anyway after you are finished to remove the lower cowl by yourself. Mine is
a rough plywood box with casters on the bottom and the top contoured to the
shape of the cowl with foam pipe insulation as padding. It works a lot
better than it looks.
Terry
RV-8A in work
Seattle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:08 AM
Subject: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
I have my upper cowl pretty much trimmed the way that I want it and am
looking to start working on the lower cowl half.
I have been contemplating doing this installation with the nose gear leg
removed...for a number of reasons:
1. Ease of doing the installation. Remembering how many times the top came
off and on during its fitting - I can see that sliding this thing out and
under the three blade prop will be a RPITA.
2. Working on one variable at a time. I'll be having enough fun trimming
the aft end and sides without having to worry about the nose gear slot at
the same time.
3. If there are any differences between ground operations and flying
operations (there shouldn't be), I want the flying configuration to take
priority.
My thinking of how to do it involves:
Weighting down the tail end so it is resting on a support.
Safety strapping around the prop - not lifting, just there in case.
Remove nose gear.
Fit the lower cowl per instructions (pretty much as if it were a tailweel
airplane).
When I'm done for the day, put the nosegear back on for safety reasons.
After the lower cowl is fitted and the cam-locs/hinges are installed, I can
work on the nosegear slot as a seperate operation.
If you've been there, done that...your thoughts, please!
If you're thinking 'he forgot about...' then tell me!
If you think I'm on the right track, let me know - it'll reinforce the
educational part of why the FAA says we can do this!
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
Yes, it would be kind of nice if they spent some of the $50,000,000 they
have in the bank on the ones "that brung 'em to the dance." Let's see,
better transportation....that leaves another $49,950,000 to spend. I
don't think they're hurtin' yet.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Orear
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
Gotta Jump in here
On the local news, Tom P. was saying that there are some changes in
store
for the next few years, He claims that EAA will be spending more $ on
improvements over the next 5 years than they have over the last 25.
Some things that were mentioned were better transport around the grounds
as
well as from the parking lots for the day-trippers, as well as
improvements
to the campground. No specifics, but electric hookups would be
nice.....
Regards,
Jeff Orear
RV6A N782P ( back from my first flight into OSH)
Peshtigo, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Larson" <jpl(at)showpage.org>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
>
> Here's my take...
>
> EAA's annual fee is reasonable. I just wish the magazine spent more
> time
> on EXPERIMENTAL airplanes and less on, well, everything else --
including
> all the self-promoting they do. I REALLY get tired of the
> self-promoting.
>
> AirVenture is too expensive. But then, I have to wonder what the
> cost is
> of all those porta-potties.
>
> AirVenture would be a lot better with some small changes. For one,
> more
> places to wash your hands! With soap. The maps should show the
routes
> all the trams and busses take, maybe even with time to travel so you
can
> decide if the tram is better than walking.
>
> The air show at AirVenture -- war birds and Extras, Extras and war
birds.
> Where are the experimentals? And Mr. Announcer... SHUT UP. Could
you be
> any more insipid? Also the staged "fake" performances are lame.
>
> The workshops at AirVenture rock!
>
> And I love the great access to all the vendors. 20 minute
> conversation
> with one of the guys from P-Mag, for instance.
>
> -J
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Farner" <sfarner(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation |
I would not trust the spacer measurement given by Van's in the plans
(ask me how I know). It might be a pain having the prop on, but you
will have an accurate placement of the spinner bulkhead. At the very
least you could measure with the prop on and get the spacer length
from that.
Scott
RV-7A N653S
210 hours
On 7/30/07, Terry Watson wrote:
>
> Ralph,
>
> I think your idea of removing the nose gear during the fitting of the lower
> cowl is a good one, but I would suggest you also remove that 3 bladed prop.
> Van's has a detail of how to set a spacer to locate the prop spinner so you
> can fit the cowl without having the prop in the way.
>
> Another suggestion is to take a little time to build some sort of cart that
> holds the lower cowl close to the proper height so you can roll it in and
> out as you work on the fit. My guess is that it is going to be necessary
> anyway after you are finished to remove the lower cowl by yourself. Mine is
> a rough plywood box with casters on the bottom and the top contoured to the
> shape of the cowl with foam pipe insulation as padding. It works a lot
> better than it looks.
>
> Terry
> RV-8A in work
> Seattle
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:08 AM
> To: rv-list
> Subject: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>
>
> I have my upper cowl pretty much trimmed the way that I want it and am
> looking to start working on the lower cowl half.
>
> I have been contemplating doing this installation with the nose gear leg
> removed...for a number of reasons:
>
> 1. Ease of doing the installation. Remembering how many times the top came
> off and on during its fitting - I can see that sliding this thing out and
> under the three blade prop will be a RPITA.
>
> 2. Working on one variable at a time. I'll be having enough fun trimming
> the aft end and sides without having to worry about the nose gear slot at
> the same time.
>
> 3. If there are any differences between ground operations and flying
> operations (there shouldn't be), I want the flying configuration to take
> priority.
>
> My thinking of how to do it involves:
>
> Weighting down the tail end so it is resting on a support.
> Safety strapping around the prop - not lifting, just there in case.
> Remove nose gear.
> Fit the lower cowl per instructions (pretty much as if it were a tailweel
> airplane).
> When I'm done for the day, put the nosegear back on for safety reasons.
>
> After the lower cowl is fitted and the cam-locs/hinges are installed, I can
> work on the nosegear slot as a seperate operation.
>
> If you've been there, done that...your thoughts, please!
> If you're thinking 'he forgot about...' then tell me!
> If you think I'm on the right track, let me know - it'll reinforce the
> educational part of why the FAA says we can do this!
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Capen
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
jpl(at)showpage.org wrote:
> AirVenture is too expensive. But then, I have to wonder what the cost is of
all those porta-potties.
>
I hear this, quite often. But I'm moved to ask, how much SHOULD it cost, given
the breadth of offerings there.
Also, earlier in the week, someone posted that the shuttle bus from the campground
to the AirVenture grounds was too expensive. I inquired how much that person
was paying and didn't hear back.
I checked after that post and found that, again this year, the cost consisted of
an optional 25-cent donation.
There are tricks to surviving Oshkosh. One of the big ones is don't buy food there...walk
over to the Sacred Heart shack and buy brats for $2 (drinks $1.50).
Beyond that, $7 to park is not unreasonable -- it costs me $10 to park at a Twins
game. $19 for a spot in a campground is not unreasonable. It's $20 (no hookup)
over at Circle R, and it's $5 a pop if you have more than 2 people over 16
total.
So that means we're talking about the daily admission, right? It's $22 a day...
$102 for the week. $18 for a spouse.. $16 for students.
Is that an unreasonable amount of money?
I'll take Oshkosh over Disneyworld anyday. Disneyworld charges $67 a day for anyone
10 and over. A two hour baseball game at Jacob's Field in Cleveland is $27.
(Beer is $7.50 a pop). I went to the Day in Pompeii exhibit at the Minnesota
Science Museum last month. It was $24 each.... $18 for kids.
So what we're really talking about here is a daily ticket that is actually BELOW
events that are nowhere near comparable in scope.
So what EXACTLY is the problem?
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126385#126385
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
Maybe the problem is that since presumably most of us are members of the
EAA, we don't like OUR organization enhancing their intake by charging us
for participating in OUR events, especially if they are using volunteer
labor and running the surpluses that some say they are. Sure, you pay to go
to a theme park or a professional ball game or to a special exhibit at a
museum, but if you are a member of the Museum of Flight here in Seattle, you
get in free. It's the non-members that pay admission.
But this is all kind of academic to me. I don't expect to ever go to Oshkosh
because I have an aversion to crowds. All the self-promotion that EAA and
AOPA does reminds me of something learned years ago in business school: Non
profit organizations are non-profit because they distribute all income in
excess of expenses to someone other than share holders. That makes them one
of the most financially rewarding types of organizations to create, manage
or work for.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
I'll take Oshkosh over Disneyworld anyday. Disneyworld charges $67 a day for
anyone 10 and over. A two hour baseball game at Jacob's Field in Cleveland
is $27. (Beer is $7.50 a pop). I went to the Day in Pompeii exhibit at the
Minnesota Science Museum last month. It was $24 each.... $18 for kids.
So what we're really talking about here is a daily ticket that is actually
BELOW events that are nowhere near comparable in scope.
So what EXACTLY is the problem?
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126385#126385
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RV 'A' series lower cowl installation |
Thanks for the suggestion about the cart...I don't know about the prop though...I
recall reading something that with a constant speed prop you have to have it
on - makes sense to me since the backing plate is part of the hub. I'll do
some more research though - it might make it easier if I can still get the accuracy.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Terry Watson <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2007 1:17 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>
>
>Ralph,
>
>I think your idea of removing the nose gear during the fitting of the lower
>cowl is a good one, but I would suggest you also remove that 3 bladed prop.
>Van's has a detail of how to set a spacer to locate the prop spinner so you
>can fit the cowl without having the prop in the way.
>
>Another suggestion is to take a little time to build some sort of cart that
>holds the lower cowl close to the proper height so you can roll it in and
>out as you work on the fit. My guess is that it is going to be necessary
>anyway after you are finished to remove the lower cowl by yourself. Mine is
>a rough plywood box with casters on the bottom and the top contoured to the
>shape of the cowl with foam pipe insulation as padding. It works a lot
>better than it looks.
>
>Terry
>RV-8A in work
>Seattle
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:08 AM
>To: rv-list
>Subject: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>
>
>I have my upper cowl pretty much trimmed the way that I want it and am
>looking to start working on the lower cowl half.
>
>I have been contemplating doing this installation with the nose gear leg
>removed...for a number of reasons:
>
>1. Ease of doing the installation. Remembering how many times the top came
>off and on during its fitting - I can see that sliding this thing out and
>under the three blade prop will be a RPITA.
>
>2. Working on one variable at a time. I'll be having enough fun trimming
>the aft end and sides without having to worry about the nose gear slot at
>the same time.
>
>3. If there are any differences between ground operations and flying
>operations (there shouldn't be), I want the flying configuration to take
>priority.
>
>My thinking of how to do it involves:
>
>Weighting down the tail end so it is resting on a support.
>Safety strapping around the prop - not lifting, just there in case.
>Remove nose gear.
>Fit the lower cowl per instructions (pretty much as if it were a tailweel
>airplane).
>When I'm done for the day, put the nosegear back on for safety reasons.
>
>After the lower cowl is fitted and the cam-locs/hinges are installed, I can
>work on the nosegear slot as a seperate operation.
>
>If you've been there, done that...your thoughts, please!
>If you're thinking 'he forgot about...' then tell me!
>If you think I'm on the right track, let me know - it'll reinforce the
>educational part of why the FAA says we can do this!
>
>Thanks,
>Ralph Capen
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation |
Measuring for a replication spacer might be the way to go.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Farner <sfarner(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2007 1:57 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>
>
>I would not trust the spacer measurement given by Van's in the plans
>(ask me how I know). It might be a pain having the prop on, but you
>will have an accurate placement of the spinner bulkhead. At the very
>least you could measure with the prop on and get the spacer length
>from that.
>
>Scott
>RV-7A N653S
>210 hours
>
>On 7/30/07, Terry Watson wrote:
>>
>> Ralph,
>>
>> I think your idea of removing the nose gear during the fitting of the lower
>> cowl is a good one, but I would suggest you also remove that 3 bladed prop.
>> Van's has a detail of how to set a spacer to locate the prop spinner so you
>> can fit the cowl without having the prop in the way.
>>
>> Another suggestion is to take a little time to build some sort of cart that
>> holds the lower cowl close to the proper height so you can roll it in and
>> out as you work on the fit. My guess is that it is going to be necessary
>> anyway after you are finished to remove the lower cowl by yourself. Mine is
>> a rough plywood box with casters on the bottom and the top contoured to the
>> shape of the cowl with foam pipe insulation as padding. It works a lot
>> better than it looks.
>>
>> Terry
>> RV-8A in work
>> Seattle
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:08 AM
>> To: rv-list
>> Subject: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>>
>>
>> I have my upper cowl pretty much trimmed the way that I want it and am
>> looking to start working on the lower cowl half.
>>
>> I have been contemplating doing this installation with the nose gear leg
>> removed...for a number of reasons:
>>
>> 1. Ease of doing the installation. Remembering how many times the top came
>> off and on during its fitting - I can see that sliding this thing out and
>> under the three blade prop will be a RPITA.
>>
>> 2. Working on one variable at a time. I'll be having enough fun trimming
>> the aft end and sides without having to worry about the nose gear slot at
>> the same time.
>>
>> 3. If there are any differences between ground operations and flying
>> operations (there shouldn't be), I want the flying configuration to take
>> priority.
>>
>> My thinking of how to do it involves:
>>
>> Weighting down the tail end so it is resting on a support.
>> Safety strapping around the prop - not lifting, just there in case.
>> Remove nose gear.
>> Fit the lower cowl per instructions (pretty much as if it were a tailweel
>> airplane).
>> When I'm done for the day, put the nosegear back on for safety reasons.
>>
>> After the lower cowl is fitted and the cam-locs/hinges are installed, I can
>> work on the nosegear slot as a seperate operation.
>>
>> If you've been there, done that...your thoughts, please!
>> If you're thinking 'he forgot about...' then tell me!
>> If you think I'm on the right track, let me know - it'll reinforce the
>> educational part of why the FAA says we can do this!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph Capen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" <jfogarty(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
Bob, You have away with words. Right on!
Great show!
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
>
>
> jpl(at)showpage.org wrote:
>> AirVenture is too expensive. But then, I have to wonder what the cost
>> is of all those porta-potties.
>>
>
>
> I hear this, quite often. But I'm moved to ask, how much SHOULD it cost,
> given the breadth of offerings there.
>
> Also, earlier in the week, someone posted that the shuttle bus from the
> campground to the AirVenture grounds was too expensive. I inquired how
> much that person was paying and didn't hear back.
>
> I checked after that post and found that, again this year, the cost
> consisted of an optional 25-cent donation.
>
> There are tricks to surviving Oshkosh. One of the big ones is don't buy
> food there...walk over to the Sacred Heart shack and buy brats for $2
> (drinks $1.50).
>
> Beyond that, $7 to park is not unreasonable -- it costs me $10 to park at
> a Twins game. $19 for a spot in a campground is not unreasonable. It's
> $20 (no hookup) over at Circle R, and it's $5 a pop if you have more than
> 2 people over 16 total.
>
> So that means we're talking about the daily admission, right? It's $22 a
> day... $102 for the week. $18 for a spouse.. $16 for students.
>
> Is that an unreasonable amount of money?
>
> I'll take Oshkosh over Disneyworld anyday. Disneyworld charges $67 a day
> for anyone 10 and over. A two hour baseball game at Jacob's Field in
> Cleveland is $27. (Beer is $7.50 a pop). I went to the Day in Pompeii
> exhibit at the Minnesota Science Museum last month. It was $24 each....
> $18 for kids.
>
> So what we're really talking about here is a daily ticket that is actually
> BELOW events that are nowhere near comparable in scope.
>
> So what EXACTLY is the problem?
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126385#126385
>
>
> --
> 11:14 PM
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
It was nice to meet you last Wednesday, Bob.
Here's my take on the costs...
I don't think your comparisons are against comparable venues.
Parking -- it's unfair to compare parking for a Twins game. That's
deep in downtown in a paved lot. A more fair comparison would be the
Minnesota Renaissance Festival -- where you also park in a big open
field. Parking for Ren Fair is free.
Camping -- That $19 a night is high for the space you get. For $18,
I can go to Lake Elmo, get electrical and NOT be crammed in right
next to the people beside me. And it's not sitting next to a
freeway. Also, the "pay through the show and get a refund on the way
out" thing is annoying. Especially if you want to leave late in the
afternoon and get a refund for the following days, but the exit you
use has a big sign that says "camping refunds closed". Furthermore,
when I go to Lake Elmo, I get to actually camp under a few trees and
probably have more trees between me and my neighbors.
General Admission -- it's not $22. It's $22 if you're an EAA member,
$33 if you aren't. I renewed my membership strictly for the show.
Compare again to the Ren Fest at $19, and you don't have to join
anything. Now, I get a lot more out of a trip to AirVenture, but
most of what I really like about it costs the EAA almost nothing to
provide. The presenters are volunteers. The vendors most certainly
pay for the opportunity to talk to me. Yes, it costs something to
provide the venue, and I recognize that.
I guess what bugged me was giving them $200 for a Wednesday night
arrival, plus I did a $20 donation to the Young Eagles raffle. Right
now with my wife not working, $200 means something to me. A few
years ago with a working spouse and a gangbusters consultancy going,
$200 wasn't a big deal to me. So everything is relative.
If they're going to charge commercial prices for things, they should
deliver commercial quality services. Those camping facilities
weren't commercial quality. Parking was not commercial quality. So
don't charge me commercial rates to park / camp in a field where I
can listen to the freeway and hear the folks around me whispering to
each other (much less slamming of RV doors, kids giggling, cars
driving around looking for a place to camp, etc).
For the show itself -- is it worth $22? Depends. If you hit the
workshops, then yes. For access to vendors? Well I guess I would
expect whatever they paid to cover the mutual cost. I don't pay to
go to a shopping mall, after all, unless I buy something. So
offering a multi-day discount seems reasonable. Maybe $22 each of
the first two days, but a lower rate for subsequent days.
-Joe
On Jul 30, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Bob Collins wrote:
>
>
>
> jpl(at)showpage.org wrote:
>> AirVenture is too expensive. But then, I have to wonder what the
>> cost is of all those porta-potties.
>>
>
>
> I hear this, quite often. But I'm moved to ask, how much SHOULD it
> cost, given the breadth of offerings there.
>
> Also, earlier in the week, someone posted that the shuttle bus from
> the campground to the AirVenture grounds was too expensive. I
> inquired how much that person was paying and didn't hear back.
>
> I checked after that post and found that, again this year, the cost
> consisted of an optional 25-cent donation.
>
> There are tricks to surviving Oshkosh. One of the big ones is don't
> buy food there...walk over to the Sacred Heart shack and buy brats
> for $2 (drinks $1.50).
>
> Beyond that, $7 to park is not unreasonable -- it costs me $10 to
> park at a Twins game. $19 for a spot in a campground is not
> unreasonable. It's $20 (no hookup) over at Circle R, and it's $5 a
> pop if you have more than 2 people over 16 total.
>
> So that means we're talking about the daily admission, right? It's
> $22 a day... $102 for the week. $18 for a spouse.. $16 for students.
>
> Is that an unreasonable amount of money?
>
> I'll take Oshkosh over Disneyworld anyday. Disneyworld charges $67
> a day for anyone 10 and over. A two hour baseball game at Jacob's
> Field in Cleveland is $27. (Beer is $7.50 a pop). I went to the
> Day in Pompeii exhibit at the Minnesota Science Museum last month.
> It was $24 each.... $18 for kids.
>
> So what we're really talking about here is a daily ticket that is
> actually BELOW events that are nowhere near comparable in scope.
>
> So what EXACTLY is the problem?
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126385#126385
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
Terry Watson wrote:
> Maybe the problem is that since presumably most of us are members of the
> EAA, we don't like OUR organization enhancing their intake by charging us
> for participating in OUR events, especially if they are using volunteer
> labor and running the surpluses that some say they are.
As someone smart once said to me, "you could stand on the corner throwing $100
bills in the air and you'd still find someone to tell you you're an a-hole."
That's the situation Poberezny is in and while he may not be building planes in
his garage, I found no shortage of people who are building airplanes at AirVenture,
and no shortage of things directed toward people who are. Of course, I
also found no shortage of things aimed at people who are doing all sorts of other
things.
If anyone would actually walk from any part of Oshkosh to any *other* part of Oshkosh,
they will find that there's more to putting on AirVenture than volunteers.
Beyond that, most of the folks who seem not to like AirVenture, also acknowledge
they don't actually *go* to AirVenture.
I think that's fine; people should be able to make the choices they want to make,
without insisting that it change to accomodate the people who don't go.
Personally, when people say AirVenture is too corporate and has lost its homebulding
roots, I wonder what they did while they were AT AirVenture? There's something
for everyone as near as I can tell. The amount of stuff I wanted to get
to and didn't reached an all-time high for me this year. Still, it was the best
one I've ever had.
Many of those same people who complain that AirVenture isn't what it was 20 years
ago, are also the ones that showed up in giant RVs with air conditioning,
expandable living rooms and giant satellite dishes. Or, perhaps, they flew in
with their all glass cockpits in their homebuilts.
Again, that's fine. But why would you want AirVenture to be just like 20 years
ago when the last think we want in our homebuilts, it appears, is for them to
be exactly like they were 20 years ago.
No matter what the answer, I still come away every year from these threads with
complaints without an answer to EXACTLY what it is people want?
Everyone I ran into last week -- and I'd guess that number would be between 750
and 1,000 -- were having a great time. Maybe it's because they didn't do things
they didn't like doing, and were doing things they did.
But it's impossible for me to believe that at something as diverse as AirVenture,
folks who are really interested in getting something out of it for the money
they put into it, don't get something significant out of it.
In the big scheme of thing, the cost of AirVenture is chicken feed.
But here's the thing. In this country right now, we insist not only that *our*
individual tastes be met, we insist that other individual tastes NOT be met. It's
ludicrous and it's why homebulders don't like warbirds who don't like seaplane
people who don't like ultralight people who don't like Cirrus owners who
don't like RV owners.
Good Lord, AirVenture is un-flippin' believable in terms of the wide range of interests
represented therein. People who don't like it aren't really trying that
hard to find their own interests, or are working too hard to find reasons to
be unsatisfied.
The folks who volunteer ALL seem to be having a great time and found their experience
worthwhile. They didn't seem to be bitter or feel they were being taken
advantage of. They seemed to like being a part of something.
AirVenture isn't the group that sponsors it. It's the people who are part of it.
I'd pay twice as much to be with them again and it's only been two days since
I left.
If, in its present state, AirVenture were to disappear tomorrow, I can't imagine
for a minute feeling as though I were better off because of its disappearance.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
On 30 Jul 2007, at 14:57, Terry Watson wrote:
>
> Maybe the problem is that since presumably most of us are members
> of the
> EAA, we don't like OUR organization enhancing their intake by
> charging us
> for participating in OUR events, especially if they are using
> volunteer
> labor and running the surpluses that some say they are. Sure, you
> pay to go
> to a theme park or a professional ball game or to a special exhibit
> at a
> museum, but if you are a member of the Museum of Flight here in
> Seattle, you
> get in free. It's the non-members that pay admission.
>
> But this is all kind of academic to me. I don't expect to ever
But what about the huge number of EAA members who, for one reason or
another, cannot attend the OSH fly-in? Should their membership dues
be subsidizing the members who can attend? That doesn't seem fair to
me. I believe the costs of the annual fly-in should be borne by
those who attend. EAA membership dues should be used to pay all the
other costs of running EAA.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
Hey, Tim. Likewise. It was a blast meeting everyone.
The shuttle bus thing is interesting because it doesn't actually cost to take it.
There's a donation box there, but nobody is required to put any money in it
(and, if the last 5 years of my anecdotal experience is any guide, most don't).
It also worth noting that the EAA *expanded* the service this year to put an extra
shuttle bus on for handicapped individuals.
By the way, I'm pretty sure the drivers of the busses are NOT working for free.
Nor is the gasoline those busses use free.
I'm not much into camping -- the tent comes down from the crawl space once a year
-- so I don't know if $19 is high or not....but I started at 6 in the morning
with coffee watching the ultralights fly overhead, visited with tons of people,
watched every kind of plane fly overhead... occasionally walked a half mile
to the show... and in the evening munched on free popcorn while watching a
movie on the lawn, after listening to the likes of James Lovell talk about Apollo
13.
I don't know, I paid $1 for the local newspaper today and THAT seems like a ripoff.
I pay $50 for a cellphone and THAT seems like a ripoff. I pay $55 for broadband
and another $47 for satellite TV and none of those things seem like great
value. $19 for 10 days of unparalleled excitement just doesn't bother me much.
It's probably just me -- I'm an easily impressed person where aviation is concerned
-- but I just kept thinking that here I was on a spot of ground where something
is happening that is not happening ANYWHERE else in the world.
I can think of so many things that bug me more.
Like those truckers that hit the air horns at 3 in the morning. I'm going to find
out where the truckers convention is and I'm going to bang on pots outside
their hotel rooms.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| Subject: | : EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
Kevin,
You make much sense . Then again, few will listen. I've stopped
going to either "big flyin".
Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
That's a very good point, Kevin. Part of the reason I don't mind paying the
twelve dollars or so to spend a couple of hours at the EAA Arlington every
year is that I know that non-members are paying a bit more, so there is some
benefit to me from my membership. And I certainly don't expect those EAA
members far away to be subsidizing my attendance.
I'm all for those who use something paying for it (that was called User Fees
until that got such a bad smell in private aviation).
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
But what about the huge number of EAA members who, for one reason or
another, cannot attend the OSH fly-in? Should their membership dues
be subsidizing the members who can attend? That doesn't seem fair to
me. I believe the costs of the annual fly-in should be borne by
those who attend. EAA membership dues should be used to pay all the
other costs of running EAA.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
Bob, I agree that the show has things going for it.
But your comment about the truckers and their air horns sort of hits
the nail squarely on the head. If we're going to put up with
truckers hitting air horns, then $19 a day for camping is high.
I think the discussion is (for me) over about $50 -- 25% of what I
gave the EAA last Wednesday. My original comment wasn't "OMG it's
WAY too expensive." Just a little high, that's all.
-J
On Jul 30, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Bob Collins wrote:
>
>
> Hey, Tim. Likewise. It was a blast meeting everyone.
>
> The shuttle bus thing is interesting because it doesn't actually
> cost to take it. There's a donation box there, but nobody is
> required to put any money in it (and, if the last 5 years of my
> anecdotal experience is any guide, most don't).
>
> It also worth noting that the EAA *expanded* the service this year
> to put an extra shuttle bus on for handicapped individuals.
>
> By the way, I'm pretty sure the drivers of the busses are NOT
> working for free. Nor is the gasoline those busses use free.
>
> I'm not much into camping -- the tent comes down from the crawl
> space once a year -- so I don't know if $19 is high or not....but I
> started at 6 in the morning with coffee watching the ultralights
> fly overhead, visited with tons of people, watched every kind of
> plane fly overhead... occasionally walked a half mile to the
> show... and in the evening munched on free popcorn while watching a
> movie on the lawn, after listening to the likes of James Lovell
> talk about Apollo 13.
>
> I don't know, I paid $1 for the local newspaper today and THAT
> seems like a ripoff. I pay $50 for a cellphone and THAT seems like
> a ripoff. I pay $55 for broadband and another $47 for satellite TV
> and none of those things seem like great value. $19 for 10 days of
> unparalleled excitement just doesn't bother me much.
>
> It's probably just me -- I'm an easily impressed person where
> aviation is concerned -- but I just kept thinking that here I was
> on a spot of ground where something is happening that is not
> happening ANYWHERE else in the world.
>
> I can think of so many things that bug me more.
>
> Like those truckers that hit the air horns at 3 in the morning. I'm
> going to find out where the truckers convention is and I'm going to
> bang on pots outside their hotel rooms.
>
> --------
> Bob Collins
> St. Paul, Minn.
> RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
> http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126444#126444
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
FWIW, I've posted the EAA tax filing for 2006 here:
http://home.comcast.net/~bcollinsrv7a/eaa/files/eaa.pdf
It might help illuminate the money thing.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| From: | "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2(at)starband.net> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
I've emailed EAA several years in a row with some suggestions, but all have
always been ignored. Maybe Tom's announcement of changes will help. It
HAS improved. We think the food selection has gotten better than 5 years
ago, when we first went.
My wife and I took the free shuttle to the seaplane base for the first time.
It wasn't a big deal, but after we got there, they had a big sign that said
the shuttle was $2 round trip. Hmmmm
The RV BBQ was just SUPER! Thanks so much to Bob, Darwin and all the other
volunteers for putting on such a great event. Thanks to Stein, GRT, and
all the other vendors who contributed to it. It was a real pleasure to meet
and chat with so many nice people I've known via Internet for so long, but
haven't had a chance to meet yet. I didn't find Chad Jensen or Dave
Domeier, so if you guys were there, sorry I missed you.
brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
Hey, Tim. Likewise. It was a blast meeting everyone.
The shuttle bus thing is interesting because it doesn't actually cost to
take it. There's a donation box there, but nobody is required to put any
money in it (and, if the last 5 years of my anecdotal experience is any
guide, most don't).
It also worth noting that the EAA *expanded* the service this year to put an
extra shuttle bus on for handicapped individuals.
By the way, I'm pretty sure the drivers of the busses are NOT working for
free. Nor is the gasoline those busses use free.
I'm not much into camping -- the tent comes down from the crawl space once a
year -- so I don't know if $19 is high or not....but I started at 6 in the
morning with coffee watching the ultralights fly overhead, visited with tons
of people, watched every kind of plane fly overhead... occasionally walked a
half mile to the show... and in the evening munched on free popcorn while
watching a movie on the lawn, after listening to the likes of James Lovell
talk about Apollo 13.
I don't know, I paid $1 for the local newspaper today and THAT seems like a
ripoff. I pay $50 for a cellphone and THAT seems like a ripoff. I pay $55
for broadband and another $47 for satellite TV and none of those things seem
like great value. $19 for 10 days of unparalleled excitement just doesn't
bother me much.
It's probably just me -- I'm an easily impressed person where aviation is
concerned -- but I just kept thinking that here I was on a spot of ground
where something is happening that is not happening ANYWHERE else in the
world.
I can think of so many things that bug me more.
Like those truckers that hit the air horns at 3 in the morning. I'm going to
find out where the truckers convention is and I'm going to bang on pots
outside their hotel rooms.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126444#126444
11:14 PM
11:14 PM
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
jpl(at)showpage.org wrote:
> But your comment about the truckers and their air horns sort of hits the nail
squarely on the head. If we're going to put up with truckers hitting air horns,
then $19 a day for camping is high.
>
> I think the discussion is (for me) over about $50 -- 25% of what I
> gave the EAA last Wednesday. My original comment wasn't "OMG it's
> WAY too expensive." Just a little high, that's all.
>
>
I'm trying to figure out what camping fee would've made me lose less sleep. (g)
Seriously, I consider it a fault of the Oshkosh police department and Wisconsin
State patrol that a bunch of gap-toothed morons got to disturb the peace with
impunity.
By the way, if you want to beat the EAA at its own game, stake out a campsite
that you would feel comfortable with. The 20 x 30 regulation was in place years
ago when camping units weren't so big. I don't think anybody ever checks. Want
a 50 foot buffer? Stake it out.
As for the kids giggling and folks talking all hours of the night. I'm afraid I'm
at least partially guilty, although I did try to see people as they set up
near me and first thing I said was, "let me explain to you what you're getting
yourself into here..."
BTW, I heard the Super 8 had rooms as late as Saturday night. What's up with THAT?
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| From: | "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" <jfogarty(at)tds.net> |
In our group of 4 pilots and family the best part of the Show was the
staged "fake" performance done in the Cub. We all loved performance and
as pilot's we all know how easy it is to land a cub. You know it's
never that easy but he could make that cub do what ever he wanted,
including run over the top of him.
Also, the announcer did a great job after the P-51A accident on rwy36.
He never missed a beat. There are a lot of young kids at the show and
the announcer had wonderful compassion and composure. Just me.
Condolences: The Gerald Beck Family
Jim Fogarty
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
My (PERSONAL) observations of OSH 2007:
Camp Scholler West-most shower house had "NO CAMPING" signs at several
points around the grass and was ignored by 4 or 5 campers. EAA security
never said squat and I was there for the entire convention and saw them
drive by without a look. Why the "privilege" for some?
Campground trash? More and more on the ground this year.
Trash on flightline? WAY up from the 70s and 80s. Cigarette butts and
candy wrappers. When did they open up the flightline to smoking? Did I
miss that? Better get me a box of Cuban stogies for next year...(and
start smoking)
Where was the guy that used to harp about littering and for others to
pick up something if they saw it on the ground? Used to be every 10 or
15 minutes on the PA system. Heard it ONCE this year (at the end of the
airshow routine when half the people had already left).
Prices? I saw on the Airventure website the prices of vendor
spots...some $2K some $5K. Seemed vendors were down to me. Very little
vendor activity in ultralight section. Little down by Van's compared to
past years. Has the bubble burst? Vendors feeling it may not be worth
their investment in a space? The sunglasses and pots and pan vendors
still seem to be able to afford it...
I'd say it was a sad state of affairs (and I have 30+ years of
experience to gauge against).
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
Brian Meyette wrote:
>
>I've emailed EAA several years in a row with some suggestions, but all have
>always been ignored. Maybe Tom's announcement of changes will help. It
>HAS improved. We think the food selection has gotten better than 5 years
>ago, when we first went.
>
>My wife and I took the free shuttle to the seaplane base for the first time.
>It wasn't a big deal, but after we got there, they had a big sign that said
>the shuttle was $2 round trip. Hmmmm
>
>The RV BBQ was just SUPER! Thanks so much to Bob, Darwin and all the other
>volunteers for putting on such a great event. Thanks to Stein, GRT, and
>all the other vendors who contributed to it. It was a real pleasure to meet
>and chat with so many nice people I've known via Internet for so long, but
>haven't had a chance to meet yet. I didn't find Chad Jensen or Dave
>Domeier, so if you guys were there, sorry I missed you.
>
>brian
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Collins
>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:51 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
>
>
>Hey, Tim. Likewise. It was a blast meeting everyone.
>
>The shuttle bus thing is interesting because it doesn't actually cost to
>take it. There's a donation box there, but nobody is required to put any
>money in it (and, if the last 5 years of my anecdotal experience is any
>guide, most don't).
>
>It also worth noting that the EAA *expanded* the service this year to put an
>extra shuttle bus on for handicapped individuals.
>
>By the way, I'm pretty sure the drivers of the busses are NOT working for
>free. Nor is the gasoline those busses use free.
>
>I'm not much into camping -- the tent comes down from the crawl space once a
>year -- so I don't know if $19 is high or not....but I started at 6 in the
>morning with coffee watching the ultralights fly overhead, visited with tons
>of people, watched every kind of plane fly overhead... occasionally walked a
>half mile to the show... and in the evening munched on free popcorn while
>watching a movie on the lawn, after listening to the likes of James Lovell
>talk about Apollo 13.
>
>I don't know, I paid $1 for the local newspaper today and THAT seems like a
>ripoff. I pay $50 for a cellphone and THAT seems like a ripoff. I pay $55
>for broadband and another $47 for satellite TV and none of those things seem
>like great value. $19 for 10 days of unparalleled excitement just doesn't
>bother me much.
>
>It's probably just me -- I'm an easily impressed person where aviation is
>concerned -- but I just kept thinking that here I was on a spot of ground
>where something is happening that is not happening ANYWHERE else in the
>world.
>
>I can think of so many things that bug me more.
>
>Like those truckers that hit the air horns at 3 in the morning. I'm going to
>find out where the truckers convention is and I'm going to bang on pots
>outside their hotel rooms.
>
>--------
>Bob Collins
>St. Paul, Minn.
>RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
>http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126444#126444
>
>
>11:14 PM
>
>11:14 PM
>
>
>
>
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| From: | william hilling <f.1.rocket(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
It is always a pleasure to associate with fellow flyers and see what is new
in aviation.
I wish we had more events to attend each year. My only complaint is the Hil
ton's room
rate was alittle steep at $299 per night, but the food is great as usual.
See ya next year,
Craig> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:40:22 +0000> From: acepilot(at)bloomer.net> T
o: rv-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
ONAL) observations of OSH 2007:> > Camp Scholler West-most shower house had
"NO CAMPING" signs at several > points around the grass and was ignored by
4 or 5 campers. EAA security > never said squat and I was there for the en
tire convention and saw them > drive by without a look. Why the "privilege"
for some?> > Campground trash? More and more on the ground this year.> > T
rash on flightline? WAY up from the 70s and 80s. Cigarette butts and > cand
y wrappers. When did they open up the flightline to smoking? Did I > miss t
hat? Better get me a box of Cuban stogies for next year...(and > start smok
ing)> > Where was the guy that used to harp about littering and for others
to > pick up something if they saw it on the ground? Used to be every 10 or
> 15 minutes on the PA system. Heard it ONCE this year (at the end of the
> airshow routine when half the people had already left).> > Prices? I saw
on the Airventure website the prices of vendor > spots...some $2K some $5K.
Seemed vendors were down to me. Very little > vendor activity in ultraligh
t section. Little down by Van's compared to > past years. Has the bubble bu
rst? Vendors feeling it may not be worth > their investment in a space? The
sunglasses and pots and pan vendors > still seem to be able to afford it..
.> > I'd say it was a sad state of affairs (and I have 30+ years of > exper
ience to gauge against).> > Scott> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/> Gotta Fl
y or Gonna Die> Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)> > > > Brian Meyet
starband.net>> >> >I've emailed EAA several years in a row with some sugges
tions, but all have> >always been ignored. Maybe Tom's announcement of chan
ges will help. It> >HAS improved. We think the food selection has gotten be
tter than 5 years> >ago, when we first went.> >> >My wife and I took the fr
ee shuttle to the seaplane base for the first time.> >It wasn't a big deal,
but after we got there, they had a big sign that said> >the shuttle was $2
round trip. Hmmmm> >> >The RV BBQ was just SUPER! Thanks so much to Bob, D
arwin and all the other> >volunteers for putting on such a great event. Tha
nks to Stein, GRT, and> >all the other vendors who contributed to it. It wa
s a real pleasure to meet> >and chat with so many nice people I've known vi
a Internet for so long, but> >haven't had a chance to meet yet. I didn't fi
nd Chad Jensen or Dave> >Domeier, so if you guys were there, sorry I missed
you.> >> >brian> >> >> >> >-----Original Message-----> >From: owner-rv-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Beha
lf Of Bob Collins> >Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:51 PM> >To: rv-list@matro
nics.com> >Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh> >> >--> RV-List m
essage posted by: "Bob Collins" > >> >Hey, Tim. L
ikewise. It was a blast meeting everyone.> >> >The shuttle bus thing is int
eresting because it doesn't actually cost to> >take it. There's a donation
box there, but nobody is required to put any> >money in it (and, if the las
t 5 years of my anecdotal experience is any> >guide, most don't).> >> >It a
lso worth noting that the EAA *expanded* the service this year to put an> >
extra shuttle bus on for handicapped individuals.> >> >By the way, I'm pret
ty sure the drivers of the busses are NOT working for> >free. Nor is the ga
soline those busses use free.> >> >I'm not much into camping -- the tent co
mes down from the crawl space once a> >year -- so I don't know if $19 is hi
gh or not....but I started at 6 in the> >morning with coffee watching the u
ltralights fly overhead, visited with tons> >of people, watched every kind
of plane fly overhead... occasionally walked a> >half mile to the show... a
nd in the evening munched on free popcorn while> >watching a movie on the l
awn, after listening to the likes of James Lovell> >talk about Apollo 13.>
>> >I don't know, I paid $1 for the local newspaper today and THAT seems li
ke a> >ripoff. I pay $50 for a cellphone and THAT seems like a ripoff. I pa
y $55> >for broadband and another $47 for satellite TV and none of those th
ings seem> >like great value. $19 for 10 days of unparalleled excitement ju
st doesn't> >bother me much.> >> >It's probably just me -- I'm an easily im
pressed person where aviation is> >concerned -- but I just kept thinking th
at here I was on a spot of ground> >where something is happening that is no
t happening ANYWHERE else in the> >world.> >> >I can think of so many thing
s that bug me more.> >> >Like those truckers that hit the air horns at 3 in
the morning. I'm going to> >find out where the truckers convention is and
I'm going to bang on pots> >outside their hotel rooms.> >> >--------> >Bob
Collins> >St. Paul, Minn.> >RV Builder's Hotline (free!)> >http://rvhotline
.expercraft.com> >> >> >> >> >Read this topic online here:> >> >http://foru
ms.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126444#126444> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
====> > >
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| From: | "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Larson" <jpl(at)showpage.org>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
>
> It was nice to meet you last Wednesday, Bob.
>
> Here's my take on the costs...
>
> I don't think your comparisons are against comparable venues.
>
> Parking -- it's unfair to compare parking for a Twins game. That's deep
> in downtown in a paved lot. A more fair comparison would be the
> Minnesota Renaissance Festival -- where you also park in a big open
> field. Parking for Ren Fair is free.
One difference here is that the Renaissance festival probably runs for more
than one week a year. How much do you think it costs the EAA to own or lease
those fields on an annual basis? All for one week of revenue.
Same thing for camping. The local campground has 365 days a year to cover
its overhead. The EAA campgrounds have one week of income a year to fund
maintenance, improvements, etc.
Beyond that, even with volunteer labor, it is frightfully expensive to fund
Airventure. All the busses. You've gotta rent 'em, pay the driver, and buy
gas. Cutting grass and laying out parking areas. Providing medical support
for 100,000 people. Insurance. It goes on and on.
I consider Airventure to be an outstanding "value" entertainment wise. My 2
seats for football games at my Alma Mater cost about $1k/year, and that
doesn't include parking. Airventure is peanuts in comparison.
KB
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
Not disagreeing with Kyle but EAA does rent out the facility to other
groups/functions. Ducks Unlimited is one that comes to mind.
Dale Ensing
> One difference here is that the Renaissance festival probably runs for
> more than one week a year. How much do you think it costs the EAA to own
> or lease those fields on an annual basis? All for one week of revenue.
>
> Same thing for camping. The local campground has 365 days a year to cover
> its overhead. The EAA campgrounds have one week of income a year to fund
> maintenance, improvements, etc.
>
> KB
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | sarg314 <sarg314(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Dynon D10A HSI for SL-30 |
I finally got around to reading the Dynon web page describing the new
HSI capability. I have an SL-30, so it sounds like I'd be foolish not
to hook it up. Has any one tried it? Does it work without any gotchas?
Am I correct that I want to connect the RS-232 serial port on pins 3, 4,
and 5, of the SL-30 to the serial #1 pins (9, 10, 22) on the D10A?
Apparently the Serial port 2 on the Dynon is used for the blind encoder,
yes? I can't find any detailed wiring info on the Dynon web page. If
any one has found some, please send me the link.
Thansk,
--
Tom Sargent, RV-6A , electrical system.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Jewell" <jjewell(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation |
Hi Ralph,
My 6-a cowl came in two parts that required being fibreglassed together.
I often wish I had made the lower inlet snorkel section a removable piece
held on with screws and nut plates.
I doubt however that I would try to make such a modification the newer
single piece epoxy glass lower cowl.
I have a two blade C/S prop and find it hard to imagine getting the lower
cowl on with that third blade in the way.
If you have a prop shop or an airport near by you might find a bare hub
without blades the can be borrowed to use during the cowl fitting process.
Maybe someone on the list could locate one for you.
If at all possible, wait until the very last buy that prop. Before you know
it the overhaul period shows up and the bank account takes another hit.
If you don't know what I mean ...Don't ask{8-)
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>
> Thanks for the suggestion about the cart...I don't know about the prop
> though...I recall reading something that with a constant speed prop you
> have to have it on - makes sense to me since the backing plate is part of
> the hub. I'll do some more research though - it might make it easier if I
> can still get the accuracy.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ed <bicyclop(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dynon D10A HSI for SL-30 |
Go to the forums section of Dynon's site. You can post all kinds of
questions there and get them answered in pretty short order by Dynon
employees (and customers too).
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
sarg314 wrote:
>
> I finally got around to reading the Dynon web page describing the new
> HSI capability. I have an SL-30, so it sounds like I'd be foolish not
> to hook it up. Has any one tried it? Does it work without any gotchas?
>
> Am I correct that I want to connect the RS-232 serial port on pins 3,
> 4, and 5, of the SL-30 to the serial #1 pins (9, 10, 22) on the D10A?
> Apparently the Serial port 2 on the Dynon is used for the blind
> encoder, yes? I can't find any detailed wiring info on the Dynon web
> page. If any one has found some, please send me the link.
> Thansk,
> --
> Tom Sargent, RV-6A , electrical system.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation |
Jim,
Good advice - too late for me though...already have the prop - already had it 'rebuilt'....actually,
I had the wrong (short) hub so they rebuilt it while it
was getting the correct hub put on it.
My cowl has a one-piece lower section - and I'll be making a fiberglass 'plate'
to cover the extended slot for the nose gear leg. Yes, I'll be attaching that
with screws, tinnerman washers, and nutplates.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Jewell <jjewell(at)telus.net>
>Sent: Jul 31, 2007 1:24 AM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>
>
>Hi Ralph,
>
>My 6-a cowl came in two parts that required being fibreglassed together.
>I often wish I had made the lower inlet snorkel section a removable piece
>held on with screws and nut plates.
>I doubt however that I would try to make such a modification the newer
>single piece epoxy glass lower cowl.
>
>I have a two blade C/S prop and find it hard to imagine getting the lower
>cowl on with that third blade in the way.
>
>If you have a prop shop or an airport near by you might find a bare hub
>without blades the can be borrowed to use during the cowl fitting process.
>Maybe someone on the list could locate one for you.
>
>If at all possible, wait until the very last buy that prop. Before you know
>it the overhaul period shows up and the bank account takes another hit.
>
>If you don't know what I mean ...Don't ask{8-)
>
>Jim in Kelowna
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>To:
>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:15 PM
>Subject: RE: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>
>
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestion about the cart...I don't know about the prop
>> though...I recall reading something that with a constant speed prop you
>> have to have it on - makes sense to me since the backing plate is part of
>> the hub. I'll do some more research though - it might make it easier if I
>> can still get the accuracy.
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
jhstarn(at)verizon.net wrote:
> Didn't get to OSH this year but I'll bet ya'll paid more for water (per gallon)
than you did AVGAS.
At WalMart, Ice Mountain was on sale. 32 bottles for $4.74. what's that? About
15 cents each.
As with anything else, a little thinking and a slight amount of work can make a
week at Oshkosh comparatively inexpensive. But it's like everything else, you
pay for convenience.
A lot of this reminds me of the kvetching over the high price of gasoline. Everyone
does it, but only *I* seem to be the one driving 55 these days (g).
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126563#126563
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| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dynon D10A HSI for SL-30 |
sarg314 wrote:
>
> I finally got around to reading the Dynon web page describing the new
> HSI capability. I have an SL-30, so it sounds like I'd be foolish not
> to hook it up. Has any one tried it? Does it work without any gotchas?
I use the HSI with a GPS feed and it works very nicely. According to
traffic on the Dynon forum the SL30 version of the HSI is also good.
I can't find any detailed wiring info on the Dynon web page. If
> any one has found some, please send me the link.
Straight from the Dynon web site:
http://dynonavionics.com/docs/support_documentation.html
Sam Buchanan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
On Jul 30, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Kyle Boatright wrote:
> Same thing for camping. The local campground has 365 days a year to
> cover its overhead. The EAA campgrounds have one week of income a
> year to fund maintenance, improvements, etc.
These are fair comments, although I don't see what sort of
improvements are made to an open field :-) But yes, it costs
something to just own the land.
> I consider Airventure to be an outstanding "value" entertainment
> wise. My 2 seats for football games at my Alma Mater cost about
> $1k/year, and that doesn't include parking. Airventure is peanuts
> in comparison.
>
As I said at one point in this thread -- costs are relative. In the
90s, computer consultancy was very profitable, and $200 or even $1000
weren't a big deal to me. But now I'm supporting a family of 4 on a
single income, paying for my wife's master's degree, and making less
than I did in the late 90s. $200 matters to me.
And I went solo. I don't know how folks earning less than I do pay
for things like this for the entire family.
-Joe
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
The fee charged to vendors will eventually cramp the style of
Airventure. Let's work with the estimated $2K to $5K fee. For this
purpose, we'll use $3K as the base. By the time vendor pays the fee,
staffs the booth with a minimum of 3 people for 10 days, including
packing for the show and demobilization, that's 30 man-days or 1.5
man-months. At $65,000 per year, that's a cost of $8,125. Add in $125
per day for lodging and food per person (3 x 10 x $125) we see living
expenses are$3,750. Add in shipping, mileage to OSH and misc. other
costs, another $2k is easily consumed. So a conservative total is right
at $15,000 for a booth.
Of course, to recover that $15,000 cost, a vendor has to sell $45,000 to
$60,000 of product....just to break even. The product he sold to break
even means he has a few fewer customers out there, though there will be
plenty of no cost follow on questions, technical support and warranty
costs. Right now, the new EFISs are hot, but as that market shakes out,
how many vendors will be left. Certainly the cost of the Show will
drive the small, innovative, gizmo inventor away as he can never recover
his costs. As a result, we'll lose access to many of the "small" new
ideas that makes OSH and GA interesting. Soon enough, Honda Jet,
Eclipse Jet, Joe Jet, et al will be the main vendors since they are the
ones with the margins that justify attendance. It will start looking
like a mini-me NBAA Convention.
Finally, if you look at the comments posted, the vast majority of the
activities that attendees found most valuable and valued had to do with
meeting up with other pilots, ogling each other's planes, swapping
tales, telling stories, drinking refreshments. Other than a chance to
see some select vendors, what AirVenture has morphed into holds little
interest to the EAA folks, other than its an opportunity to get
together.
As a non-profit, EAA needs some financial buffer to conduct its
business. However, the question remains; why do they need a net of
$50,000,000 in the bank ($65K assets less $15K liabilities) and what do
they intend to use it for? Seems to me its time to share the riches
with the ones that made the riches possible---EAA members and pilots.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
My (PERSONAL) observations of OSH 2007:
Camp Scholler West-most shower house had "NO CAMPING" signs at several
points around the grass and was ignored by 4 or 5 campers. EAA security
never said squat and I was there for the entire convention and saw them
drive by without a look. Why the "privilege" for some?
Campground trash? More and more on the ground this year.
Trash on flightline? WAY up from the 70s and 80s. Cigarette butts and
candy wrappers. When did they open up the flightline to smoking? Did I
miss that? Better get me a box of Cuban stogies for next year...(and
start smoking)
Where was the guy that used to harp about littering and for others to
pick up something if they saw it on the ground? Used to be every 10 or
15 minutes on the PA system. Heard it ONCE this year (at the end of the
airshow routine when half the people had already left).
Prices? I saw on the Airventure website the prices of vendor
spots...some $2K some $5K. Seemed vendors were down to me. Very little
vendor activity in ultralight section. Little down by Van's compared to
past years. Has the bubble burst? Vendors feeling it may not be worth
their investment in a space? The sunglasses and pots and pan vendors
still seem to be able to afford it...
I'd say it was a sad state of affairs (and I have 30+ years of
experience to gauge against).
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
Brian Meyette wrote:
>-->
>
>I've emailed EAA several years in a row with some suggestions, but all
have
>always been ignored. Maybe Tom's announcement of changes will help.
It
>HAS improved. We think the food selection has gotten better than 5
>years ago, when we first went.
>
>My wife and I took the free shuttle to the seaplane base for the first
>time. It wasn't a big deal, but after we got there, they had a big sign
>that said the shuttle was $2 round trip. Hmmmm
>
>The RV BBQ was just SUPER! Thanks so much to Bob, Darwin and all the
other
>volunteers for putting on such a great event. Thanks to Stein, GRT,
and
>all the other vendors who contributed to it. It was a real pleasure to
>meet and chat with so many nice people I've known via Internet for so
>long, but haven't had a chance to meet yet. I didn't find Chad Jensen
>or Dave Domeier, so if you guys were there, sorry I missed you.
>
>brian
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Collins
>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:51 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
>
>
>Hey, Tim. Likewise. It was a blast meeting everyone.
>
>The shuttle bus thing is interesting because it doesn't actually cost
>to take it. There's a donation box there, but nobody is required to put
>any money in it (and, if the last 5 years of my anecdotal experience is
>any guide, most don't).
>
>It also worth noting that the EAA *expanded* the service this year to
>put an extra shuttle bus on for handicapped individuals.
>
>By the way, I'm pretty sure the drivers of the busses are NOT working
>for free. Nor is the gasoline those busses use free.
>
>I'm not much into camping -- the tent comes down from the crawl space
>once a year -- so I don't know if $19 is high or not....but I started
>at 6 in the morning with coffee watching the ultralights fly overhead,
>visited with tons of people, watched every kind of plane fly
>overhead... occasionally walked a half mile to the show... and in the
>evening munched on free popcorn while watching a movie on the lawn,
>after listening to the likes of James Lovell talk about Apollo 13.
>
>I don't know, I paid $1 for the local newspaper today and THAT seems
>like a ripoff. I pay $50 for a cellphone and THAT seems like a ripoff.
>I pay $55 for broadband and another $47 for satellite TV and none of
>those things seem like great value. $19 for 10 days of unparalleled
>excitement just doesn't bother me much.
>
>It's probably just me -- I'm an easily impressed person where aviation
>is concerned -- but I just kept thinking that here I was on a spot of
>ground where something is happening that is not happening ANYWHERE else
>in the world.
>
>I can think of so many things that bug me more.
>
>Like those truckers that hit the air horns at 3 in the morning. I'm
>going to find out where the truckers convention is and I'm going to
>bang on pots outside their hotel rooms.
>
>--------
>Bob Collins
>St. Paul, Minn.
>RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
>http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126444#126444
>
>
>11:14 PM
>
>11:14 PM
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
LOL. Bob, I drove my Prius to Oshkosh. There and back on a 10-
gallon tank of gas. :-)
But I didn't go to Wal Mart for water.
-J
On Jul 31, 2007, at 7:49 AM, Bob Collins wrote:
>
> A lot of this reminds me of the kvetching over the high price of
> gasoline. Everyone does it, but only *I* seem to be the one driving
> 55 these days (g).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation |
Ralph,
If you use an upper intersection fairing on the nose gear leg, there is no
need to make a plate to cover the slot.
Fairings - Etc. at http://www.fairings-etc.com/ makes a nice fairing that I
have on my 6A and would recommend.
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
> My cowl has a one-piece lower section - and I'll be making a fiberglass
> 'plate' to cover the extended slot for the nose gear leg. Yes, I'll be
> attaching that with screws, tinnerman washers, and nutplates.
>
> Ralph
>
>
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| From: | Richard Seiders <seiders(at)bellsouth.net> |
Here's my 2 cts.
Fourth visit to OSH. Last was 10 yrs ago. Liked it then , and liked
it this year also. Has something for everybody in aviation. What's
wrong with that?. Prices are fair. There's enough food, water stands,
and toilet facilities. If you can't find more of what's to like than
you have time to see even in one week then you're not looking.
Dick
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Chuck Jensen wrote:
>
> Finally, if you look at the comments posted, the vast majority of the
> activities that attendees found most valuable and valued had to do
> with
> meeting up with other pilots, ogling each other's planes, swapping
> tales, telling stories, drinking refreshments. Other than a chance to
> see some select vendors, what AirVenture has morphed into holds little
> interest to the EAA folks, other than its an opportunity to get
> together.
Hmm. My main fun was attending workshops and talking to vendors. I
noticed that the number of aircraft vendors seemed a LOT lower than
the last time I was there (10 years ago). I presume there have been
a lot of shake-outs though -- a lot of companies going out of
business. But I haven't paid that much attention to the market since
I started the RV, as I'd made my decision...
> As a non-profit, EAA needs some financial buffer to conduct its
> business. However, the question remains; why do they need a net of
> $50,000,000 in the bank ($65K assets less $15K liabilities) and
> what do
> they intend to use it for? Seems to me its time to share the riches
> with the ones that made the riches possible---EAA members and pilots.
I read the tax filing that Bob Collins posted. EAA doesn't have
$50mil in the bank. They have assets in that general neighborhood,
but most of it appears to be real estate, if I'm remembering correctly.
-J
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation |
Dale,
Thanks for the info. I already have their wing root fairings - mostly installed.
Looks like more of the same high quality.
Do you know how far forward the slot could go and still be covered by this fairing
on your installation? Others with a three blade prop (I have an MT three
blade) indicate that the slot needs to be further forward in order to drop the
lower cowl enough to get it around the prop.
Thanks,
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dale Ensing <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Jul 31, 2007 10:32 AM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>
>
>Ralph,
>If you use an upper intersection fairing on the nose gear leg, there is no
>need to make a plate to cover the slot.
>
>Fairings - Etc. at http://www.fairings-etc.com/ makes a nice fairing that I
>have on my 6A and would recommend.
>Dale Ensing
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:35 AM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>
>
>> My cowl has a one-piece lower section - and I'll be making a fiberglass
>> 'plate' to cover the extended slot for the nose gear leg. Yes, I'll be
>> attaching that with screws, tinnerman washers, and nutplates.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kenyon Brooks <kenbrooks(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
..."Like those truckers that hit the air horns at 3 in the morning.
I'm going to find
out where the truckers convention is and I'm going to bang on pots
outside
their hotel rooms." - Bob Collins
Right on, Bob! Call me and we'll have a "pot" band!
Ken Brooks
RV-8 N1903P
Forever Finishing
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| From: | Christopher Stone <rv8iator(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | I have no EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
The truckers were nothin' !! Coleman lanterns burning through half the night.
Clicking keyboards, under the breath mumbling and snickering, just to name a
couple of the anti-social behaviors exibited. A warning... Anyone camping near
the Colllin's tent at future Airventures, you are hereby warned!
We were warned... But alas payed no heed to the warning.
And a great time was had by all!!!
Thank You Bob! I haven't had that much fun for that cheap since they tore out
the quarter crap tables in the Riverside Casino in Reno, Nevada back in '76 (Before
non-airplane people dicovered Air Racing)
Oh yeah.. The guys with the shirts. Poor taste, what were they thinking?
Chris Stone
Back home in Newberg, OR
Had a ball! No complaints, And I paln on doing it all again!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2007 2:55 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
>
>
>jpl(at)showpage.org wrote:
>> But your comment about the truckers and their air horns sort of hits the nail
squarely on the head. If we're going to put up with truckers hitting air
horns, then $19 a day for camping is high.
>>
>> I think the discussion is (for me) over about $50 -- 25% of what I
>> gave the EAA last Wednesday. My original comment wasn't "OMG it's
>> WAY too expensive." Just a little high, that's all.
>>
>>
>
>
>I'm trying to figure out what camping fee would've made me lose less sleep. (g)
>
>Seriously, I consider it a fault of the Oshkosh police department and Wisconsin
State patrol that a bunch of gap-toothed morons got to disturb the peace with
impunity.
>
> By the way, if you want to beat the EAA at its own game, stake out a campsite
that you would feel comfortable with. The 20 x 30 regulation was in place years
ago when camping units weren't so big. I don't think anybody ever checks. Want
a 50 foot buffer? Stake it out.
>
>As for the kids giggling and folks talking all hours of the night. I'm afraid
I'm at least partially guilty, although I did try to see people as they set up
near me and first thing I said was, "let me explain to you what you're getting
yourself into here..."
>
>BTW, I heard the Super 8 had rooms as late as Saturday night. What's up with THAT?
>
>--------
>Bob Collins
>St. Paul, Minn.
>RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
>http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126462#126462
>
>
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| From: | "Larry E. James" <larry(at)ncproto.com> |
| Subject: | re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
Bob Collins wrote:
But it's impossible for me to believe that at something as diverse as
AirVenture,
folks who are really interested in getting something out of it for the money
they put into it, don't get something significant out of it.
In the big scheme of thing, the cost of AirVenture is chicken feed.
But here's the thing. In this country right now, we insist not only that
*our*
individual tastes be met, we insist that other individual tastes NOT be met.
It's
ludicrous and it's why homebulders don't like warbirds who don't like
seaplane
people who don't like ultralight people who don't like Cirrus owners who
don't like RV owners.
Good Lord, AirVenture is un-flippin' believable in terms of the wide range
of interests
represented therein. People who don't like it aren't really trying that
hard to find their own interests, or are working too hard to find reasons to
be unsatisfied.
Hi Bob,
Nice words and well put. I've been to Oshkosh twice and had a great time
(I'm waiting now to fly my own plane in). I believe you hit the issue when
you comment on how people find what they are looking for; one can choose to
look for good, adventure, interesting people and things; or they can choose
to look for things wrong, reasons not to enjoy, etc. I'll agree that some
events may be biased to the negative but I'd argue Oshkosh is definitely
biased toward the positive in a huge way.
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA
Super Decathlon
Harmon Rocket
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| From: | "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
What is Tom Poberezny's annual salary. I can't remember, but it seemed
fairly impressive to me when I heard it. There seems to be large amounts of
dollars involved in the EAA. This is probably a good thing, but, isn't part
of promoting aviation protecting what we already have?
Jim Bowen
Rv-8
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
jabowenjr(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> What is Tom Poberezny's annual salary. I can't remember, but it seemed
> fairly impressive to me when I heard it. There seems to be large amounts of
> dollars involved in the EAA. This is probably a good thing, but, isn't part
> of promoting aviation protecting what we already have?
>
> Jim Bowen
> Rv-8
>
It was in the tax filing I uploaded yesterday. If memory serves, about $450,000.
Given the slobs out there making million and millions to run their companies
into bankruptcy, I can't begrudge him that salary.
His father gets something like $160,000 (but don't quote me; I may be off.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126653#126653
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| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
Salary plus benefits were close to $500k. Plus I bet a bunch of
hidden benefits like lots of free flight time in lots of fun airplanes.
But that's not completely out of line for the president of a $30-mil
a year organization.
-J
On Jul 31, 2007, at 12:32 PM, JAMES BOWEN wrote:
>
> What is Tom Poberezny's annual salary. I can't remember, but it
> seemed fairly impressive to me when I heard it. There seems to be
> large amounts of dollars involved in the EAA. This is probably a
> good thing, but, isn't part of promoting aviation protecting what
> we already have?
>
> Jim Bowen
> Rv-8
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| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
| Subject: | Cowl Intake plugs |
While at Oshkosh I saw several RV's with red plugs that go in the cowl
intakes. Where can a person get these for an RV-6?
Thanks
Tim
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| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation |
Ralph,
On my cowl, I measured 9 inches from the from the front edge of the
fiberglass mounting flair of the top intersection fairing to the front edge
of the carb air intake port. I did this with a flexible measureing stick on
the curve of the cowl. Considering there may be some differences in the air
scoop placement as mine was not attached to the cowl when I got it, you may
want to give it a least 10 inches and see if that gets you enough slot to
get the cowl off with the 3 blade prop.
Dale
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>
> Dale,
>
> Thanks for the info. I already have their wing root fairings - mostly
> installed. Looks like more of the same high quality.
>
> Do you know how far forward the slot could go and still be covered by this
> fairing on your installation? Others with a three blade prop (I have an
> MT three blade) indicate that the slot needs to be further forward in
> order to drop the lower cowl enough to get it around the prop.
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Dale Ensing <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>Sent: Jul 31, 2007 10:32 AM
>>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>>
>>
>>Ralph,
>>If you use an upper intersection fairing on the nose gear leg, there is no
>>need to make a plate to cover the slot.
>>
>>Fairings - Etc. at http://www.fairings-etc.com/ makes a nice fairing that
>>I
>>have on my 6A and would recommend.
>>Dale Ensing
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>>To:
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:35 AM
>>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>>
>>
>>> My cowl has a one-piece lower section - and I'll be making a fiberglass
>>> 'plate' to cover the extended slot for the nose gear leg. Yes, I'll be
>>> attaching that with screws, tinnerman washers, and nutplates.
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cowl Intake plugs |
Van's Aircraft
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1185911053-284-29
1&browse=airframe&product=cowl_plugs
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Bryan
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:43 PM
Subject: RV-List: Cowl Intake plugs
While at Oshkosh I saw several RV's with red plugs that go in the cowl
intakes. Where can a person get these for an RV-6?
Thanks
Tim
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
I concur that $500K for the size operation is not out of line. The two
areas of concern is references to "deferred compensation". What does
that mean and to whom? And then, of course, nepotism is always an issue
on an organization run by a dominate person. What exactly does his
father do for $160,000? How many other brothers, sisters, mothers,
sons, daughters and other misc. kin and buddies are on the payroll? Are
they earning their keep or just feeding at the trough?
Non-profit management has an even higher fiduciary responsibility than a
publicly held company and massively more so than for a privately held
one. It would be comforting to see disclosure of all of the
beneficiaries of this non-profit. If $500K is Proberenzy's
compensation, lock, stock and barrel, that seems reasonable. If its
just he iceberg showing above the water, then there could be a problem.
Inquiring minds, including dues payers, would like to know!
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Larson
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism
Salary plus benefits were close to $500k. Plus I bet a bunch of
hidden benefits like lots of free flight time in lots of fun airplanes.
But that's not completely out of line for the president of a $30-mil
a year organization.
-J
On Jul 31, 2007, at 12:32 PM, JAMES BOWEN wrote:
>
> What is Tom Poberezny's annual salary. I can't remember, but it
> seemed fairly impressive to me when I heard it. There seems to be
> large amounts of dollars involved in the EAA. This is probably a
> good thing, but, isn't part of promoting aviation protecting what
> we already have?
>
> Jim Bowen
> Rv-8
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
| Subject: | Cowl Intake plugs |
Thanks Dale and Paul,
I hadn't realized that Van's had these as I had not seen them. I will order
mine shortly.
Tim
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cowl Intake plugs
Van's Aircraft
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1185911053-284-291
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1185911053-284-291&br
owse=airframe&product=cowl_plugs> &browse=airframe&product=cowl_plugs
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Bryan <mailto:n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:43 PM
Subject: RV-List: Cowl Intake plugs
While at Oshkosh I saw several RV's with red plugs that go in the cowl
intakes. Where can a person get these for an RV-6?
Thanks
Tim
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?RV-List
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