RV-Archive.digest.vol-sx
July 31, 2007 - August 23, 2007
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation |
Thanks a bunch!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dale Ensing <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>Sent: Jul 31, 2007 3:43 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
>
>
>Ralph,
>On my cowl, I measured 9 inches from the from the front edge of the
>fiberglass mounting flair of the top intersection fairing to the front edge
>of the carb air intake port. I did this with a flexible measureing stick on
>the curve of the cowl. Considering there may be some differences in the air
>scoop placement as mine was not attached to the cowl when I got it, you may
>want to give it a least 10 inches and see if that gets you enough slot to
>get the cowl off with the 3 blade prop.
>Dale
>.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:04 AM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
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>> Dale,
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>> Thanks for the info. I already have their wing root fairings - mostly
>> installed. Looks like more of the same high quality.
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>> Do you know how far forward the slot could go and still be covered by this
>> fairing on your installation? Others with a three blade prop (I have an
>> MT three blade) indicate that the slot needs to be further forward in
>> order to drop the lower cowl enough to get it around the prop.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Dale Ensing <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
>>>Sent: Jul 31, 2007 10:32 AM
>>>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
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>>>Ralph,
>>>If you use an upper intersection fairing on the nose gear leg, there is no
>>>need to make a plate to cover the slot.
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>>>Fairings - Etc. at http://www.fairings-etc.com/ makes a nice fairing that
>>>I
>>>have on my 6A and would recommend.
>>>Dale Ensing
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>>>To:
>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:35 AM
>>>Subject: Re: RV-List: RV 'A' series lower cowl installation
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>>>> My cowl has a one-piece lower section - and I'll be making a fiberglass
>>>> 'plate' to cover the extended slot for the nose gear leg. Yes, I'll be
>>>> attaching that with screws, tinnerman washers, and nutplates.
>>>>
>>>> Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
There might be a brother on the payroll somewhere. I don't really care. But in
terms of significant salary and jobs, a lot of that is answered on the 990, the
link to which I posted yesterday.
I presume that deferred compensation includes 403Bs and, again, that's all listed
there on the form.
I presume also that people will consider the salary too much but it might be worth
asking what the president does to earn it.
Poberezny. Well, he started it. The EAA brand belongs to him. As with any business,
a significant asset is the goodwill. Guess who's responsible for that significant
asset. Damn right he should get a piece of the action.
Still, I'm not really sure what the complaint is here. $19 a night to camp... $22
buck to get into the grounds. Seriously. What's the big flippin' deal here?
That it's too much?
I can think of a million things associated with this hobby of mine that is more
out of whack with "real people."
And, yeah, Garmin, I'm talking about you. (g)
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
Bob,
I agree that Garmin and Jeppesen hold a "special" place in our
hearts....real special. There isn't a flippin' problem with EAA--some
are just wondering why they are setting on $50,000,000 and what they
intend to do with it? How many years of NOT CHARGING EXPERIMENTAL
AIRCRAFT OWNERS for registering would the 50 mil cover? Quite a few I
would think.
Yes, Proberenzy may have been instrumental in developing the brand, but
not everyone is pleased with the direction the brand is headed--he's
responsible for that too. And to say he owns the franchise may be a bit
broad. Or maybe its a matter of "Proberenzy's Company" makin' so much
money that he doesn't give a flip about those dues payin' experimental
aircraft builders and owners that was the bedrock foundation of the EAA.
I think we all agree, AirVenture is expensive enough, but not
necessarily outrageously so. No one cares, other than symbolically,
whether the shuttle is 50-cents or not. The real question here is 'why
are they setting on $50,000,000 and what are they going to do with it?'
If their only goal is to turn $50,000,000 into $70,000,000, then that's
a problem? Is there truly mission to serve the EAA community...or is
that a cover to just make more money?
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism
There might be a brother on the payroll somewhere. I don't really care.
But in terms of significant salary and jobs, a lot of that is answered
on the 990, the link to which I posted yesterday.
I presume that deferred compensation includes 403Bs and, again, that's
all listed there on the form.
I presume also that people will consider the salary too much but it
might be worth asking what the president does to earn it.
Poberezny. Well, he started it. The EAA brand belongs to him. As with
any business, a significant asset is the goodwill. Guess who's
responsible for that significant asset. Damn right he should get a piece
of the action.
Still, I'm not really sure what the complaint is here. $19 a night to
camp... $22 buck to get into the grounds. Seriously. What's the big
flippin' deal here? That it's too much?
I can think of a million things associated with this hobby of mine that
is more out of whack with "real people."
And, yeah, Garmin, I'm talking about you. (g)
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
cjensen(at)dts9000.com wrote:
> are just wondering why they are setting on $50,000,000 and what they
> intend to do with it? How many years of NOT CHARGING EXPERIMENTAL
> AIRCRAFT OWNERS for registering would the 50 mil cover? Quite a few I
> would think.
If they are sitting on $50 million, I would hope they're doing so as an endowment,
which would be a very, very prudent thing to do. Ideally, real ideally, you
want any return on assets -- i.e. interest -- to cover your operating expenses
so you don't have to dip into the endowment (kind of like what we all want
our IRAs to do).
You know, I was at the "surviving force landings" forum (which I wrote about here
http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/2007/07/surviving-forced-landings.html
and the guy did a survey. "How many people are under 70?" A lot of hands, but not
all, went up. "Under 60?" Still the majority of hands up.
"Under 50?" A minority of hands, but still a lot
"40?" Maybe a dozen, maybe two dozen
"30?" Maybe 6
"20?" Two.
That may have been the most eye-opening moment for me at Oshkosh for it crystalized
the coming crisis in general aviation. I think EAA is in that same situation,
of course, so if there is a pot of money that could help the organization
weather the up-and-down, year-to-year problems I see in *my* non-profit (where
it's like they just discover the budget process every March), I think that's
all to the good.
I really don't think we're looking at the United Way scandal here.
Also, keep in mind the EAA museum is now free, year round, for EAA members, so
clearly there's been an effort to give breaks to the members.
I get a pretty good magazine -- yeah, I know, that's a separate issue for a lot
of folks who seem to want to get mimeographed, stapled newsletters in the mail
again (g) -- for $40.
Besides, did you walk down the 24 hour generator area at Oshkosh? Where's the evidence
THOSE folks are hurting?
Now maybe if we're going to start an EAA profit-sharing plan, we start with people
who camp in tents!!!!
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Bob Collins
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| From: | Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
I suppose some of the money they need goes to pay Tom. I see his salary
at something like $418,000 per year as President (pretty good pay for a
non-profit organization!!!). All other officers (VP, Sec. and Treas.)
get $0 per year. All this is according to my cursory look at the link
to their tax return that somebody posted here. Oh well, I primarily use
Oshkosh as a way to get together with long distance friends too...
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
Chuck Jensen wrote:
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>The fee charged to vendors will eventually cramp the style of
>Airventure. Let's work with the estimated $2K to $5K fee. For this
>purpose, we'll use $3K as the base. By the time vendor pays the fee,
>staffs the booth with a minimum of 3 people for 10 days, including
>packing for the show and demobilization, that's 30 man-days or 1.5
>man-months. At $65,000 per year, that's a cost of $8,125. Add in $125
>per day for lodging and food per person (3 x 10 x $125) we see living
>expenses are$3,750. Add in shipping, mileage to OSH and misc. other
>costs, another $2k is easily consumed. So a conservative total is right
>at $15,000 for a booth.
>
>Of course, to recover that $15,000 cost, a vendor has to sell $45,000 to
>$60,000 of product....just to break even. The product he sold to break
>even means he has a few fewer customers out there, though there will be
>plenty of no cost follow on questions, technical support and warranty
>costs. Right now, the new EFISs are hot, but as that market shakes out,
>how many vendors will be left. Certainly the cost of the Show will
>drive the small, innovative, gizmo inventor away as he can never recover
>his costs. As a result, we'll lose access to many of the "small" new
>ideas that makes OSH and GA interesting. Soon enough, Honda Jet,
>Eclipse Jet, Joe Jet, et al will be the main vendors since they are the
>ones with the margins that justify attendance. It will start looking
>like a mini-me NBAA Convention.
>
>Finally, if you look at the comments posted, the vast majority of the
>activities that attendees found most valuable and valued had to do with
>meeting up with other pilots, ogling each other's planes, swapping
>tales, telling stories, drinking refreshments. Other than a chance to
>see some select vendors, what AirVenture has morphed into holds little
>interest to the EAA folks, other than its an opportunity to get
>together.
>
>As a non-profit, EAA needs some financial buffer to conduct its
>business. However, the question remains; why do they need a net of
>$50,000,000 in the bank ($65K assets less $15K liabilities) and what do
>they intend to use it for? Seems to me its time to share the riches
>with the ones that made the riches possible---EAA members and pilots.
>
>Chuck Jensen
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:40 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
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>My (PERSONAL) observations of OSH 2007:
>
>Camp Scholler West-most shower house had "NO CAMPING" signs at several
>points around the grass and was ignored by 4 or 5 campers. EAA security
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>never said squat and I was there for the entire convention and saw them
>drive by without a look. Why the "privilege" for some?
>
>Campground trash? More and more on the ground this year.
>
>Trash on flightline? WAY up from the 70s and 80s. Cigarette butts and
>candy wrappers. When did they open up the flightline to smoking? Did I
>
>miss that? Better get me a box of Cuban stogies for next year...(and
>start smoking)
>
>Where was the guy that used to harp about littering and for others to
>pick up something if they saw it on the ground? Used to be every 10 or
>15 minutes on the PA system. Heard it ONCE this year (at the end of the
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>airshow routine when half the people had already left).
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>Prices? I saw on the Airventure website the prices of vendor
>spots...some $2K some $5K. Seemed vendors were down to me. Very little
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>vendor activity in ultralight section. Little down by Van's compared to
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>past years. Has the bubble burst? Vendors feeling it may not be worth
>their investment in a space? The sunglasses and pots and pan vendors
>still seem to be able to afford it...
>
>I'd say it was a sad state of affairs (and I have 30+ years of
>experience to gauge against).
>
>Scott
>http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
>Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
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>Brian Meyette wrote:
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>>I've emailed EAA several years in a row with some suggestions, but all
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>>always been ignored. Maybe Tom's announcement of changes will help.
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>>HAS improved. We think the food selection has gotten better than 5
>>years ago, when we first went.
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>>My wife and I took the free shuttle to the seaplane base for the first
>>time. It wasn't a big deal, but after we got there, they had a big sign
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>>that said the shuttle was $2 round trip. Hmmmm
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>>The RV BBQ was just SUPER! Thanks so much to Bob, Darwin and all the
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>other
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>>volunteers for putting on such a great event. Thanks to Stein, GRT,
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>>all the other vendors who contributed to it. It was a real pleasure to
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>>meet and chat with so many nice people I've known via Internet for so
>>long, but haven't had a chance to meet yet. I didn't find Chad Jensen
>>or Dave Domeier, so if you guys were there, sorry I missed you.
>>
>>brian
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Collins
>>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:51 PM
>>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh
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>>Hey, Tim. Likewise. It was a blast meeting everyone.
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>>The shuttle bus thing is interesting because it doesn't actually cost
>>to take it. There's a donation box there, but nobody is required to put
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>>any money in it (and, if the last 5 years of my anecdotal experience is
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>>It also worth noting that the EAA *expanded* the service this year to
>>put an extra shuttle bus on for handicapped individuals.
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>>By the way, I'm pretty sure the drivers of the busses are NOT working
>>for free. Nor is the gasoline those busses use free.
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>>I'm not much into camping -- the tent comes down from the crawl space
>>once a year -- so I don't know if $19 is high or not....but I started
>>at 6 in the morning with coffee watching the ultralights fly overhead,
>>visited with tons of people, watched every kind of plane fly
>>overhead... occasionally walked a half mile to the show... and in the
>>evening munched on free popcorn while watching a movie on the lawn,
>>after listening to the likes of James Lovell talk about Apollo 13.
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>>I don't know, I paid $1 for the local newspaper today and THAT seems
>>like a ripoff. I pay $50 for a cellphone and THAT seems like a ripoff.
>>I pay $55 for broadband and another $47 for satellite TV and none of
>>those things seem like great value. $19 for 10 days of unparalleled
>>excitement just doesn't bother me much.
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>>It's probably just me -- I'm an easily impressed person where aviation
>>is concerned -- but I just kept thinking that here I was on a spot of
>>ground where something is happening that is not happening ANYWHERE else
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>>I can think of so many things that bug me more.
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>>Like those truckers that hit the air horns at 3 in the morning. I'm
>>going to find out where the truckers convention is and I'm going to
>>bang on pots outside their hotel rooms.
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>>--------
>>Bob Collins
>>St. Paul, Minn.
>>RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
>>http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
On Jul 31, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Bob Collins wrote:
>
> Now maybe if we're going to start an EAA profit-sharing plan, we
> start with people who camp in tents!!!!
Yes! The EAA could donate to my "swap out an RV-6A kit for an RV-7A
kit" fund.
-J
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| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
OK, THIS part I find revealing:
"Given the slobs out there making million and millions to run their
companies into bankruptcy, I can't begrudge him that salary."
So firemen are the guys we pay year after year to let our buildings burn
down? Lifeguards are the ones we pay to let our kids drown? No, they are the
ones we hire to try to prevent the bad things from happening.
The "slobs" (presumably C.E.O.s) are often the problem solvers willing to
take the risks necessary to salvage shareholder's equity by trying to save a
dying company. Like any high risk job or investment, the rewards are
commensurate with the risk. A very few might deserve your smear, but the
broad brush you use to paint the fine detail here might as well be a paint
roller.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism
jabowenjr(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> What is Tom Poberezny's annual salary. I can't remember, but it seemed
> fairly impressive to me when I heard it. There seems to be large amounts
of
> dollars involved in the EAA. This is probably a good thing, but, isn't
part
> of promoting aviation protecting what we already have?
>
> Jim Bowen
> Rv-8
>
It was in the tax filing I uploaded yesterday. If memory serves, about
$450,000. Given the slobs out there making million and millions to run their
companies into bankruptcy, I can't begrudge him that salary.
His father gets something like $160,000 (but don't quote me; I may be off.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
acepilot(at)bloomer.net wrote:
> I suppose some of the money they need goes to pay Tom. I see his salary
> at something like $418,000 per year as President (pretty good pay for a
> non-profit organization!!!).
Not too unusual, and kinda low at that for a national non profit. Much of the work
of a boss of a non-profit is raising money. It's not like they have some product
or widget to put on the market and sit back and rake in the cash. It's
a lot of work.
The other thing is the guy is making a living and it's not unusual to pay someone
appropriately for the marketplace.
Poberezny HAS done a good job growing the organization. Given that out here, Northwest
Airlines paid their CEO $26 million to plunge the airline into bankruptcy
(evidently THAT'S a talent that can't be entrusted to just ANY incompetent
boob), and when you look at all of the companies out there paying millions and
millions of dollars and are economic basket cases, $418,000 isn't too bad.
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| From: | Ed Wischmeyer <edwisch(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | Trade for F-1 Rocket or RV-8 |
Folks -
Change of circumstances mean that a pristine straight-tail Cessna
(www.greatusermanuals.com/c175) and an AirCam (912S engines, basic
panel and avionics, 200 SNEW, $78,000) are looking for good homes.
Both aircraft are in Prescott, Arizona, but I'm moving in a few weeks
and would like to find them new homes promptly.
As for me, I'll be looking to rejoin the yank and bank crowd with an
F-1 Rocket, preferably the Evo wing, or maybe an RV-8 with a constant
speed prop. I'm not looking for an over-equipped, pricey aircraft,
but something that's properly and skillfully built -- pride of
ownership, as they say in real estate. Other possibilities are a
flying aircraft but without the fancy panel and super-tuned engine
(could reduce your liability), or a kit that's well along.
I'm moving to Cedar Rapids, IA, to work at RockwellCollins. They've
got hundreds of openings for engineers, but if you know of somebody
who's interested, please let me know before they apply so that I can
get credit$.
thanks
Ed Wischmeyer
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
Terry Watson wrote:
> The "slobs" (presumably C.E.O.s) are often the problem solvers willing to
> take the risks necessary to salvage shareholder's equity by trying to save a
> dying company.
You didn't ask, but I'll tell you anyway. I was thinking specifically of NWA CEO
Doug Steenland when I wrote that.
Yes, I would put him in the category of "slobs." All he's done is broken unions,
ruined families, stranded passengers, and -- oh yeah -- accepted the $26 million
dollars for the great job he did running his company into bankruptcy.
Sorry. No sale.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
If we cut his salary in half, we could pass the savings along to all the EAA members.
Then it'd only cost $21.95 to get into AirVenture. (g)
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
Just for the heck of it, I looked up Phil Boyer's salary today. The 990 for AOPA
hasn't been updated since 2005 but with today compensation looks to be about
$590,000.
If we're going to string both of these guys up, can we please WAIT until after
they win the user fee battle for us? (g)
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Bob Collins
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| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
I assume "Sorry. No Sale." Means you continue to use that paint roller to
describe all CEO's whose companies go under, not just the NWA CEO?
It's one thing to excoriate someone who takes advantage of a bad situation
for personal profit as I presume you think Mr. Steenland did. It is another
thing entirely to smear everyone who is willing to take on a difficult,
often impossible job with the same moral condemnation.
Don't you see the difference?
I'm sure it is really just a difference of perspective. I see business as
the institution that brings me virtually all of the material and much of the
non-material goods and services that makes my very good life possible, and I
appreciate the risk involved. Some see it as just institutionalized greed.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism
Terry Watson wrote:
> The "slobs" (presumably C.E.O.s) are often the problem solvers willing to
> take the risks necessary to salvage shareholder's equity by trying to save
a
> dying company.
You didn't ask, but I'll tell you anyway. I was thinking specifically of NWA
CEO Doug Steenland when I wrote that.
Yes, I would put him in the category of "slobs." All he's done is broken
unions, ruined families, stranded passengers, and -- oh yeah -- accepted the
$26 million dollars for the great job he did running his company into
bankruptcy.
Sorry. No sale.
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
n801bh(at)netzero.com wrote:
> I agree, the vendors are thinning out but the EAA has a slick marketing scheme
going.
I thought the same thing last year when they actually did the same thing. Then
I found out from a prominent vendor who hasn't been able to get into Oshkosh that
there's actually a waiting list. He got in this year.
There are people waiting to take the space of those who go away. SteinAir, for
example, moved into a larger space that, presumably, had been vacated. But his
old space was taken.
VerticalPower, a company that didn't even exist last year (at least from our end)
got a spot this year.
I talked to as many people as I could this year and they all said business was
good and the attendance was strong.
I didn't spend ANY time looking at airplanes for sale so it wouldn't surprise me
if there were fewer of those folks. I can't, for the life of me, figure out
how some of those companies stay in business.
OTOH, you guys probably heard the same thing I did. On the first day of the show,
Cessna had 300+ orders for their LSA by noon (!!!). So someone's got some money
out there.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
Terry Watson wrote:
> I assume "Sorry. No Sale." Means you continue to use that paint roller to
> describe all CEO's whose companies go under, not just the NWA CEO?
>
Please take a moment to reread the sentence because you've badly misinterpreted
the sentence.
"Given the slobs out there making million and millions to run their companies into
bankruptcy, I can't begrudge him that salary."
None of the CEOs you passionately -- and appropriately defend -- fit that category.
>
> It's one thing to excoriate someone who takes advantage of a bad situation for
personal profit as I presume you think Mr. Steenland did. It is another thing
entirely to smear everyone who is willing to take on a difficult, often impossible
job with the same moral condemnation.
>
And, again, the characterization was referencing those CEOS who take advantage
of bad situations -- or even create them -- for personal profit. There was nothing
in the original sentence that referred to any other CEOs, and so I don't
feel compelled to defend the assertion I never made.
I don't view business as institutional greed. But just as I know a good CEO when
I see one, I know what a scumbag looks like too.
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
Bob, I'm all for letting them do the heavy lifting on the User Fee issue
before we draw-n-quarter them--the problem is Boyer's the only one
that's been doing much lifting. Prober's been too busy praising the
retiring FAA Skirt.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism
Just for the heck of it, I looked up Phil Boyer's salary today. The 990
for AOPA hasn't been updated since 2005 but with today compensation
looks to be about $590,000.
If we're going to string both of these guys up, can we please WAIT until
after they win the user fee battle for us? (g)
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| From: | "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
I just don't get how people come to the place where $500,000 + a year
compensation for CEO's and other business leaders is OK. I do believe in
performance based pay but that is rare. When $50 million in assets is
realized, why not $75 million. I fear it's becoming about the money and not
what the organization can do to further and protect general aviation. Do not
archive!
Jim Bowen
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:50:45
>-0400
>
>
>I concur that $500K for the size operation is not out of line. The two
>areas of concern is references to "deferred compensation". What does
>that mean and to whom? And then, of course, nepotism is always an issue
>on an organization run by a dominate person. What exactly does his
>father do for $160,000? How many other brothers, sisters, mothers,
>sons, daughters and other misc. kin and buddies are on the payroll? Are
>they earning their keep or just feeding at the trough?
>
>Non-profit management has an even higher fiduciary responsibility than a
>publicly held company and massively more so than for a privately held
>one. It would be comforting to see disclosure of all of the
>beneficiaries of this non-profit. If $500K is Proberenzy's
>compensation, lock, stock and barrel, that seems reasonable. If its
>just he iceberg showing above the water, then there could be a problem.
>Inquiring minds, including dues payers, would like to know!
>
>Chuck Jensen
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Larson
>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:11 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism
>
>
>Salary plus benefits were close to $500k. Plus I bet a bunch of
>hidden benefits like lots of free flight time in lots of fun airplanes.
>
>But that's not completely out of line for the president of a $30-mil
>a year organization.
>
>-J
>
>On Jul 31, 2007, at 12:32 PM, JAMES BOWEN wrote:
>
> >
> > What is Tom Poberezny's annual salary. I can't remember, but it
> > seemed fairly impressive to me when I heard it. There seems to be
> > large amounts of dollars involved in the EAA. This is probably a
> > good thing, but, isn't part of promoting aviation protecting what
> > we already have?
> >
> > Jim Bowen
> > Rv-8
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
jabowenjr(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> I just don't get how people come to the place where $500,000 + a year
> compensation for CEO's and other business leaders is OK.
As near as I can tell, a sizeable chunk of the people "camping" east of Stits Road
fall into that category.
I saw our favorite basketball player traded yesterday. He makes $26 million a year.
Poberezny had a better year. (g)
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| From: | "Charles Heathco" <cheathco(at)cox.net> |
You think we could give this a rest? its just repeticious drivel and is
cloging my mailbox. Charlie Heathco
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| From: | "cbaron66" <bruce.lee(at)honeywell.com> |
What exactly do you want to "give it a rest" to? The fact that a measurable amount
of the membership of an organization that is "non-profit" are not overly pleased
with the way their dues are used? Or are you talking about the fact that
Osh has become mostly a place for wealthy people to buy/pose with/play with
very expensive crap most of us will never even dream about owning? Even though
I only started attending in the early ninties, I feel there isn't as much there
for the little
guy as there used to be(relative to the amount of high dollar sh_t that has no
relevance to homebuilt aircraft). Nowdays, my favorite place is the few odd vendors
left in the flymarket that sell old used airplane parts. I guess we'll just
give it all a rest and sweep it under the rug once again. However I will win
out, as I only in my forties and all the sad faced old men with more money
than skills will quit flying and die. That will cause EAA to hopfully shrink back
to what is was and should be again- a (small) group of fanatic enthusists
that build airplanes with their hands from napkin drawings and don't need huge
multi-corparate sponsorship to get together and have a little fun once a year.
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| From: | "Charles Heathco" <cheathco(at)cox.net> |
forget about it, Im just changing to Digest. ----- Original Message -----
From: "cbaron66" <bruce.lee(at)honeywell.com>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Eaa banter
What exactly do you want to "give it a rest" to? The fact that a
measurable amount of the membership of an organization that is "non-profit"
are not overly pleased with the way their dues are used? Or are you talking
about the fact that Osh has become mostly a place for wealthy people to
buy/pose with/play with very expensive crap most of us will never even dream
about owning? Even though I only started attending in the early ninties, I
feel there isn't as much there for the little
guy as there used to be(relative to the amount of high dollar sh_t that
has no relevance to homebuilt aircraft). Nowdays, my favorite place is the
few odd vendors left in the flymarket that sell old used airplane parts. I
guess we'll just give it all a rest and sweep it under the rug once again.
However I will win out, as I only in my forties and all the sad faced old
men with more money than skills will quit flying and die. That will cause
EAA to hopfully shrink back to what is was and should be again- a (small)
group of fanatic enthusists that build airplanes with their hands from
napkin drawings and don't need huge multi-corparate sponsorship to get
together and have a little fun once a year.
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| From: | "N395V" <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com> |
> However I will win out, as I only in my forties and all the sad faced old men
with more money than skills will quit flying and die.
Care to expand on this comment?
Only 40s and under should be flying and building.
Everybody over 40 or living above the poverty level has no skills?
Some people in their 20s and 30s consider 40 year olds as sad old men.
Your view of the EAA is no more appealing to me than the current one.
But then when I die of old age I really won't care, that is if my presumed lack
of skill doesn't get me first. so GFY
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| From: | "David Schaefer" <n142ds(at)gmail.com> |
As much as I didn't want to get involved ... your note was the last straw.
I agree completely with Charlie ... this is the RV FORUM .. not the bitch
about EAA forum. If you want a bitch about EAA forum go to Yahoo and create
an "EAA SUCKS" forum and continue to spout this dribble. OTHERWISE, let's
talk about RVs, RV construction etc.
OH .. and I've been a member of EAA since 1974 and while I don't like much
of what they have become, this is not the place to discuss it.
Now flame me all you want!
On 8/1/07, cbaron66 wrote:
>
>
> What exactly do you want to "give it a rest" to? The fact that a
> measurable amount of the membership of an organization that is "non-profit"
> are not overly pleased with the way their dues are used? Or are you talking
> about the fact that Osh has become mostly a place for wealthy people to
> buy/pose with/play with very expensive crap most of us will never even dream
> about owning? Even though I only started attending in the early ninties, I
> feel there isn't as much there for the little
> guy as there used to be(relative to the amount of high dollar sh_t that
> has no relevance to homebuilt aircraft). Nowdays, my favorite place is the
> few odd vendors left in the flymarket that sell old used airplane parts. I
> guess we'll just give it all a rest and sweep it under the rug once again.
> However I will win out, as I only in my forties and all the sad faced old
> men with more money than skills will quit flying and die. That will cause
> EAA to hopfully shrink back to what is was and should be again- a (small)
> group of fanatic enthusists that build airplanes with their hands from
> napkin drawings and don't need huge multi-corparate sponsorship to get
> together and have a little fun once a year.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126885#126885
>
>
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David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
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| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
What is the most interesting RV-related thing you saw at Oshkosh this year,
folks? I didn't get a chance to see the RV on floats but I'd seen the
pictures of it. Smitty has some pictures of it in the water on Doug's site.
What else?
Forums? Anybody learn anything at a forum?
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Schaefer
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Eaa banter
As much as I didn't want to get involved ... your note was the last straw.
I agree completely with Charlie ... this is the RV FORUM .. not the bitch
about EAA forum. If you want a bitch about EAA forum go to Yahoo and create
an "EAA SUCKS" forum and continue to spout this dribble. OTHERWISE, let's
talk about RVs, RV construction etc.
OH .. and I've been a member of EAA since 1974 and while I don't like much
of what they have become, this is not the place to discuss it.
Now flame me all you want!
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| From: | "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
That is very stupid. I am not in favor of abuse or great excess. IMHO
comparisons like that and the related logic will be the demise of a nation
when it spreads too far. It is a cancer.
Dale
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:59 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism
jabowenjr(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> I just don't get how people come to the place where $500,000 + a year
> compensation for CEO's and other business leaders is OK.
As near as I can tell, a sizeable chunk of the people "camping" east of
Stits Road fall into that category.
I saw our favorite basketball player traded yesterday. He makes $26 million
a year.
Poberezny had a better year. (g)
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| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
I went to the XP-360 build on Thursday. I was pretty much an engine-
ignoramus before this, but now I think I know enough to at least not
be completely stupid about them. Just mostly stupid :-)
And I had a very nice talk with one of the guys from P-Mag.
-J
On Aug 1, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Bob Collins wrote:
> What is the most interesting RV-related thing you saw at Oshkosh
> this year, folks? I didn't get a chance to see the RV on floats but
> I'd seen the pictures of it. Smitty has some pictures of it in the
> water on Doug's site.
>
> What else?
>
> Forums? Anybody learn anything at a forum?
>
>
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| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
I think the original question was reasonable -- is Poberezny
overpaid? Comparing his salary to the salary of the presidents of
other similarly-sized organizations is a reasonable way of judging
his salary.
I didn't quite understand the jabowenjr comment, so I ignored it.
I think Bob is saying, "Yes, Pober's salary is reasonable." I agree
with Bob on that.
-J
On Aug 1, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>
> That is very stupid. I am not in favor of abuse or great excess. IMHO
> comparisons like that and the related logic will be the demise of a
> nation
> when it spreads too far. It is a cancer.
> Dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:59 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism
>
>
>
>
> jabowenjr(at)hotmail.com wrote:
>> I just don't get how people come to the place where $500,000 + a year
>> compensation for CEO's and other business leaders is OK.
>
>
> As near as I can tell, a sizeable chunk of the people "camping"
> east of
> Stits Road fall into that category.
>
> I saw our favorite basketball player traded yesterday. He makes $26
> million
> a year.
>
> Poberezny had a better year. (g)
>
> --------
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
dale1rv6(at)comcast.net wrote:
> That is very stupid. I am not in favor of abuse or great excess. IMHO
> comparisons like that and the related logic will be the demise of a nation
> when it spreads too far. It is a cancer.
> Dale--
Ah, I don't worry 'bout stuff like that. Global warming, the endof cheap oil,
the erosion of constitutional rights, and bacteria run amok will get us before
words on an Internet bulletin board will. (g)
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| From: | "Timothy E. Cone" <tcone1(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
What would Poberezny's salary have to do with RVs?
Tim Cone
do not achive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Larson" <jpl(at)showpage.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism
>
> I think the original question was reasonable -- is Poberezny
> overpaid? Comparing his salary to the salary of the presidents of
> other similarly-sized organizations is a reasonable way of judging
> his salary.
>
> I didn't quite understand the jabowenjr comment, so I ignored it.
>
> I think Bob is saying, "Yes, Pober's salary is reasonable." I agree
> with Bob on that.
>
> -J
>
> On Aug 1, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>
>>
>> That is very stupid. I am not in favor of abuse or great excess. IMHO
>> comparisons like that and the related logic will be the demise of a
>> nation
>> when it spreads too far. It is a cancer.
>> Dale
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:59 AM
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> jabowenjr(at)hotmail.com wrote:
>>> I just don't get how people come to the place where $500,000 + a year
>>> compensation for CEO's and other business leaders is OK.
>>
>>
>> As near as I can tell, a sizeable chunk of the people "camping"
>> east of
>> Stits Road fall into that category.
>>
>> I saw our favorite basketball player traded yesterday. He makes $26
>> million
>> a year.
>>
>> Poberezny had a better year. (g)
>>
>> --------
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
If you don't care for the discussion, you can delete it when you see
the subject line.
I guess I don't understand why some people have such a hard time when
a topic of conversation slides a bit. "OMG, those people went off on
a tangent onto something I don't care about, so they should shut up."
Sigh.
-J
On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:40 AM, Timothy E. Cone wrote:
>
> What would Poberezny's salary have to do with RVs?
>
> Tim Cone
> do not achive
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Larson" <jpl(at)showpage.org>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:24 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism
>
>
>> I think the original question was reasonable -- is Poberezny
>> overpaid? Comparing his salary to the salary of the presidents
>> of other similarly-sized organizations is a reasonable way of
>> judging his salary.
>> I didn't quite understand the jabowenjr comment, so I ignored it.
>> I think Bob is saying, "Yes, Pober's salary is reasonable." I
>> agree with Bob on that.
>> -J
>> On Aug 1, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>>>
>>> That is very stupid. I am not in favor of abuse or great excess.
>>> IMHO
>>> comparisons like that and the related logic will be the demise of
>>> a nation
>>> when it spreads too far. It is a cancer.
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:59 AM
>>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV-List: Re: EAA Criticism
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> jabowenjr(at)hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> I just don't get how people come to the place where $500,000 + a
>>>> year
>>>> compensation for CEO's and other business leaders is OK.
>>>
>>>
>>> As near as I can tell, a sizeable chunk of the people "camping"
>>> east of
>>> Stits Road fall into that category.
>>>
>>> I saw our favorite basketball player traded yesterday. He makes
>>> $26 million
>>> a year.
>>>
>>> Poberezny had a better year. (g)
>>>
>>> --------
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
> Or are you talking about the fact that Osh has become
> mostly a place for wealthy people to buy/pose with/play
> with very expensive crap most of us will never even
> dream about owning?
>
I consider myself a working stiff. I'm building a pay-as-you-go airplane. I delivered
newspapers for 10years to pay for the project. I'm in year #7 of the build
and there'll probably be at least 4 more years of same. I have no clue how
I'm going to pay for avionics or an engine. But I'm still building anyway. BEcause
there's always hope.
I'll bet a lot of the folks described here as concerned about the cost of Oshkosh
and the infiltration of the rich, fly a lot more than I can afford to. I'll
bet they own a plane. I'll bet they have an engine, I'll bet they have glass
panels or are at least taking a step in that direction.
In other words -- by my yardstick -- they're rich. So it strikes me as odd to hear
the rich lament that they are forced to hang around other rich people once
a week.
I'll bet the farmer with the old Piper Cub in the barn thinks the same thing about
RV owners and builders.
And certainly, we've all fought in our communities, the impression that aviaton
-- and airports -- are playgrounds for rich boys and their toys.
The problem is, they are exactly that because the definition of "rich" most people
use is anyone who makes more money than me, or can afford more things, than
me.
It's all relative.
It remains unclear to me what people WANT out of the EAA AirVenture. I mean specifically
WHAT? Do they want it to be like it was 20 years ago? Why? Our projects
aren't what projects were 20 years ago.
When people say "it's not about homebuilding" anymore, I have to ask, what was
the fiberglassing workshop about? What was the engine workshops about? What was
the forum on registering your homebult about? I helped with a forum on using
online resources in your homebuilt project. What was THAT about if not for homebuilders?
I could go on and on and on, but I won't because I'm pretty sure
the complaint isn't REALLY that it's not for homebuilders anymore; I'm pretty
sure the complaint is actually that it's not ONLY for homebuilders anymore. But
why is that bad?
What EXACTLY are you people NOT getting that you expect to get out of the event?
For those of you who went this year, what EXACTLY were you looking to find that
you couldn't find for a homebuilder?
There's no sense communicating directly with the EAA until we can adequately say
exactly WHAT AirVenture should be.... not how p*ssed off you are about the way
it is.
So what does that constructive suggestion the EAA is looking for look like.
BTW, don't think the EAA doesn't want to know. We were visited by our campsite
on Tuesday by an EAA staffer who invited me to a feedback forum on what improvements
we'd like to see at AirVenture. Unfortunately, having staye dup late to
clean up the BBQ, 8:30 on Thursday morning -- which I had agreed to -- didn't
meet my abilities to attend. (g)
But if I had, "don't suck so bad" wouldn't have been one of my suggestions. I had
more productive ones like (a)have more refund lines and (b) have better soap
holders in the showers on the list.
So, imagine that you WERE in that group. What EXACTLY is on your list besides "don't
let the 'rich' people in"?
Rich is relative.
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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
The first time I remember ever getting up close to a real airplane was when
I was about 14 at the Washington State Fair in probably 1956. There was this
beautiful new red Piper Tripacer on display not far from the farm tractors.
I remember that it cost $10,000 -- about four times the annual income of our
family of five. I didn't know anyone who could afford such a luxury. About 8
years later (less time than I have been working on my RV) I soloed in a
T-38, which the Air Force then valued at a million dollars with an operating
cost of $1,000 per hour. The unfinished RV-8A in my shop, if finished, would
probably cost close to $100,000 to buy.
Times change. The rich get poor; the poor get rich; inflation makes
everything more expensive, innovation and technology brings us unanticipated
benefits at prices unimaginable in our wildest dreams. How many of us
expected to be arguing at near real-time with people who share our interests
and both please and annoy us around the world about the important and the
trivial ten years ago?
We privileged few are now the privileged many.
Terry
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| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
Terry Watson wrote:
> We privileged few are now the privileged many.
> Terry
Excellent points. The other aspect of the rich and their rich toys -- i.e., the
unaffordable production aircraft -- is they're the lab rats for stuff that eventually
will make it to the homebuilt folks.
GPS, glass panels, autopilots, weather in the cockpit? It all came from the "high"
end of aviation and made it to the "low end."
In the world of aviation, the homebuilt world and the non-homebuilt world aren't
mutually exclusive, imho.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126973#126973
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| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
This was posted by Dick Finn , canard-aviator list. The discussion on
the canard list, which developed independently, while not as robust as
the RV discussion, covers many of the same topics and concerns. In sum,
the same overarching concerns are being expressed about the EAA mission
and focus by many and varied folks, not just a few whiners on the RV
list.
Chuck Jensen
Dick wrote....
I read all the glowing comments on the air show and
noticed one thing in common. They all told of how
great it was to see old friends, socialize with the
other builders at the barbeque, attend the barbeque,
dinner, weenie roast, etc. Generally the emails did
not say what a wonderful job EAA did and how they
enjoyed the rest of the fly in. Everything was
related to interactions with a small group of friends.
I'm a long time Cozy builder (plans #48) who has been
stalled for several years. Still, I do attend the air
show every year. When I started I attended all seven
days. As the EAA and the show changed, I slowly cut
back. This year I went on Thursday by myself and on
Friday with my wife and daughter. My overall feeling
was a continuation of the disappointment I started
feeling several years ago.
I would like to point out a few things that I have
noticed:
- My overall impression is that there are less people
attending. I have nothing concrete to go on here,
just a general impression. The EAA used to publish
attendance figures but I haven't seen them in Sport
Aviation for years. In fact, they even used to show
the growth rate in rolls of toilet paper consumed. I
really believe that attendance is down and has been
accelerating its downward trend. Dick Knapinski, I
believe you monitor this forum, could you comment? If
I'm wrong, I apologize-it is my impression though
- It appears to me that there is a steadily
accelerating decline in the number of show planes. It
used to be the field filled up every year but they
advertised that if you have a show plane they would
somehow fit you in. This year I saw a disappointingly
large number of empty tie down spaces in the show
plane area. I don't know if the field ever closed to
incoming traffic as it did in the past.
- My wife enjoys the war birds but it seemed that
there were not that many present this year.
- For years the back row in the Fly Mart has been a
bit sparse-still, five years ago, it was populated.
This year there was a row and a half empty. This is
not a big deal but I think it is indicative of a
general decline.
- There have always been a lot of aircraft "scrap"
dealers in the Fly Mart. I only noticed a couple this
year. For that matter, the number of tool and general
aircraft grade hardware dealers seems to be less.
This leaves the impression that the Fly Mart is
turning into a general "Flea Market" with only casual
relation to aviation. For example, I saw two or three
booths selling pots and pans-unbelievably (at least
for me) they wanted $1575 for a handful of pots.
- Prices seem to be higher and continually rising.
Food is the worst example. It appears to me that it
costs about $10 for a burger, fries and a Coke. I can
get a McDonalds meal at O'Hare for abut $6. A bottle
of soda you would pay $1 to $1.25 for a Walgreen's
costs $3.25. The little cups of frozen lemonade are
now up to $4. This appears to me to be another step
down a slippery slope. Failing revenues or simple
greed causes them to raise prices. A guy will pay it
but feel he is being cheated and then not come back
the next year. Lower attendance means lower revenue
so they raise the prices further-and so it goes.
- I'm seeing more commercial exhibitors now. They are
still general aviation but are aimed at the business
market. This audience is less focused on costs as
many are on expense accounts so I am thinking that
this is the direction EAA is moving.
- There appeared to me to be less "Big Iron" in Aero
Shell Square". Still, the area was crowded with
tents. Ford has a huge tent dedicated toward car
sales. I don't see much relationship with aviation
other than pilots tend to be more "well off" and do
buy cars.
- I noticed that McDonalds is not there this year
(which I thought was a good thing as they seemed to be
pushing out the old vendor -Zaug's). When I went down
to the Homebuilders area to get some lunch, however, I
found they had replaced what I believe to be the last
Zaug's outlet with a new vendor. I asked and was told
that the EAA was now running the concessions-my
assumption was that they could then pocket the full
profit. Zaug's used to sell "OK" food at a reasonable
price.
- We live on the east shore of Lake Winnebago and get
the TV news from Green Bay. Years ago they pretty
much based the whole week's newscasts around the EAA.
This year there were only a couple of stories and I
didn't see their broadcast areas set up at the show.
On the day of the P51 crash I listened to the radio
while pulling out of the parking lot. They had an
announcer who had a little information but said they
were sending someone in from their Fox Valley newsroom
and would report more at 5:30.
So, what is my point? I think the EAA is changing for
the worse from the perspective of an aviation
enthusiast. This is no longer the Convention of the
EAA (note that the old name points toward it being a
members event) but is now AirVenture (note the change
toward a general public or commercial event). The
symbol of the EAA is no longer a little homebuilt but
a more commercial oriented symbol (a jet).
My prediction:
1. The EAA and AirVenture will continue to decline
from the point of view of the little guy.
2. There will be an upswing in the number of small
aviation fly ins which are not related to the EAA
(i.e. Rough River).
3. Groups will merge at these fly in's (The canards
all get together as a large group now-this has
happened over the past few years). Even the Cozy
Dinner is open to all canards now-yes, I consider this
a good thing. I think we will see them joined at fly
ins by other types. Maybe we will see a fly in for
all composite planes which will be joined later by
wood and fabric, etc.
4. Fewer builders will attend OSH, instead, going to
the other fly ins. Those of us still in the work
force only have so much vacation after all.
5. An organization will form to promote the smaller
fly ins and provide support to the attendees.
Isn't that the way EAA got started?
Just some observations, thoughts and my opinion.
Dick Finn
Dick Finn
H: 708-246-8715
C: 708-359-9506
E-Mail: cozy7971(at)yahoo.com
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| From: | "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2(at)starband.net> |
I went to a similar one several years ago, back when I was planning to go
Lycoming (SHOULDA), and was going to build my own. I have extensive notes
& pics from that seminar here:
http://brian76.mystarband.net/SuperiorTextPics.htm
brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Joseph Larson
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Eaa banter
I went to the XP-360 build on Thursday. I was pretty much an
engine-ignoramus before this, but now I think I know enough to at least not
be completely stupid about them. Just mostly stupid :-)
And I had a very nice talk with one of the guys from P-Mag.
-J
On Aug 1, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Bob Collins wrote:
What is the most interesting RV-related thing you saw at Oshkosh this year,
folks? I didn't get a chance to see the RV on floats but I'd seen the
pictures of it. Smitty has some pictures of it in the water on Doug's site.
What else?
Forums? Anybody learn anything at a forum?
5:26 PM
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| From: | "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2(at)starband.net> |
| Subject: | Re: WAS Eaa banter NOW OSH interesting things |
I attended a seminar on runway homes, which turned out to be a lot about
self-directed IRAs, which Id only recently heard about and which seem like
a great idea. Not many people know about them, but you can roll your past
(not current) IRAs & 401Ks into a self-directed IRA that you can then use to
buy real estate, a business, etc, as long as its not to directly benefit
you or your direct relatives (so you cant use it to fund your plane).
Seems like a good idea. Google self-directed IRA to get tons of info
from the net.
Having attended about every possible building seminar in the past, I had
hoped to re-attend Kent Whites excellent series of seminars on metal
forming, but he wasnt doing them this year. Also, his booth in the
commercial hangar went unmanned, so I guess something came up for him & he
couldnt make it. See http://www.tinmantech.com/
I also re-attended Joe Norris excellent W&B seminar, as well as Joe
Gauthiers most excellent seminars on final inspection and flight testing.
If you havent attended them, I highly recommend them, as well as a Canadian
mans (sorry dont recall his name) excellent and necessary seminar on
fuel flow testing.
I also attended a paint design seminar, which was quite useful. See
http://schemedesigners.com/ for more info.
Saw lots of cool LSAs & ultralights, including a very cool one-off custom
design http://www.culverprops.com/back-yard-flyer.php
Mostly welded construction; quite unique
If I had it to do over again, Id get something like this first, then Id
have something to fly while I build. I REALLY miss flying, and find myself
constantly scheming on how to get an ultralight to fly while I spend at
least another year building.
I didnt spend much time in the RV area, as Ive already closely examined
and photographed about every RV there in past years. I guess Im getting
to the construction stage where Ive already bought about everything I need
and have done, committed to, or already know what I need to do
on all the remaining steps.
I saw a cool demo of the Vertical Power product to control all your wiring
in one box. Im already past that stage, but it looked promising. Not
cheap, but looks like a good product. The owner, Marc Ausman, also helped
support the RV BBQ. See http://www.verticalpower.com/
Some very cool jets, but, as my wife said to me when I commented on an
especially cool jet, when did you ever see a jet that you DIDNT think was
cool? If I won the lottery, Id buy an L-39 and spend 8 hours a day every
day training in it.
I saw a couple Questair Venture planes, a defunct kit, which were cool
picture a stubby, bulbous RV with a Conti 550 engine and retractable gear
that goes 240 knots.
The $10K Bruce King BK1 was pretty cool, too; also kind of a short, bulbous
cross between a Hummelbird and an RV
brian
http://brian76.mystarband.net/RV-7Ahome.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Eaa banter
What is the most interesting RV-related thing you saw at Oshkosh this year,
folks? I didn't get a chance to see the RV on floats but I'd seen the
pictures of it. Smitty has some pictures of it in the water on Doug's site.
What else?
Forums? Anybody learn anything at a forum?
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Schaefer
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Eaa banter
As much as I didn't want to get involved ... your note was the last straw.
I agree completely with Charlie ... this is the RV FORUM .. not the bitch
about EAA forum. If you want a bitch about EAA forum go to Yahoo and create
an "EAA SUCKS" forum and continue to spout this dribble. OTHERWISE, let's
talk about RVs, RV construction etc.
OH .. and I've been a member of EAA since 1974 and while I don't like much
of what they have become, this is not the place to discuss it.
Now flame me all you want!
5:26 PM
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| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> |
On 1 Aug 2007, at 15:19, Michael W Stewart wrote:
> Id say the most interesting RV thing at OSH was the largest
> formation they have ever seen, and we think ever done anyhere. The
> 35 ship formation was way cool.
>
Congratulations on the very impressive formation work. Looking at
the pictures, it is hard to find anyone very far out of position.
That is a real credit to the skills of each of the pilots, and to
smooth flying by lead.
I bet the guys who flew the B-17s and B-24s during WWII might
disagree with you that 35 aircraft in formation was the largest
ever. Their formations weren't as tightly spaced, but they were
quite intricately choreographed, and no less difficult than yours.
The records seem to show formations of more than 50 B-17s or B-24s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_box
I think I've also seen some pictures of very large formations during
various flypasts to celebrate the end of WWII, and the Soviet May Day
celebrations seemed to have quite large formations too.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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| From: | Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks for posting, Brian..I'm keeping that website handy.
Brian Meyette wrote:
I went to a similar one several years ago, back when I was planning to go Lycoming (SHOULDA), and was going to build my own. I have extensive notes & pics from that seminar here: http://brian76.mystarband.net/SuperiorTextPics.htm
brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Joseph Larson
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Eaa banter
I went to the XP-360 build on Thursday. I was pretty much an engine-ignoramus
before this, but now I think I know enough to at least not be completely stupid
about them. Just mostly stupid :-)
And I had a very nice talk with one of the guys from P-Mag.
-J
On Aug 1, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Bob Collins wrote:
What is the most interesting RV-related thing you saw at Oshkosh this year, folks?
I didn't get a chance to see the RV on floats but I'd seen the pictures
of it. Smitty has some pictures of it in the water on Doug's site.
What else?
Forums? Anybody learn anything at a forum?
- The RV-List Email Forum -
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
I think you got that backwards. We are the lab rats for the gadgets that
eventually make it into the certified planes most of the time.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:59 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Eaa banter
Excellent points. The other aspect of the rich and their rich toys -- i.e.,
the unaffordable production aircraft -- is they're the lab rats for stuff
that eventually will make it to the homebuilt folks.
GPS, glass panels, autopilots, weather in the cockpit? It all came from the
"high" end of aviation and made it to the "low end."
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| From: | "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electronic Ignition |
Dave, et al,
I now have 1500 hours on Dual Lightspeed Ign. 8 years ago, I
experienced coil failures, not controller failures. My controllers and
coils are mounted on the firewall. I changed to GM coils and no problem
since. I think that the coil failures were caused by radiated heat from
exhaust pipes etc. I do have a Sam James Cowl and plenum, and fuel
injection.
Dick Martin
N233M RV8
Looking forward the AirVenture Race sunday.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Schaefer
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: Electronic Ignition
I saw a brand new Lightspeed fail this weekend .. most probably due to
heat under the cowl since it eventually re-set. The aircraft had mags
on one side ... so no big deal. However, wouldn't you think that the
current generation of electronic ignitions would take into account that
under the cowl on an airplane is HOT and make some sort of
consideration? It's my understanding that the vast majority of these
ignitions controllers are installed on the fire-wall? Anyone else had
any ideas, recommendations here? I think these are great electronic
ignition systems and am looking to install a pair on an aircraft .. but
it was an old fashioned MAG that got us back to the airport!
--
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)pacbell.net> |
I do not begruge Tom a cent of what he earns. I see him as CEO of a major corporation.
As one who actually ran a company with 10 employees, I feel that I can
truly appreciate the amazing job that he does each year with Airventure. It is
the premier aviation event in the US and possibly the world. The planning, logistics,
and just schmoozing to get the talent Tom does, wired into the event,
is fantastic. Joe whinner is not going to be able to get Steve Fossett, Chuck
Yeager, Bob Hoover, or the multitude of volunteers show up for Airventure. Plus
he is caring and involved with the actual attendees. Last year my wife (who
was just out of hip surgery) and I were running to catch a bus which had left
us behind. Tom and his wife actually stopped to pick us up and take us to our
destination. Only a fool can challenge the success the Tom and EAA management
have had in promoting the Sport Aviation initiative. Kuddos to Tom and EAA management.
A proud EAA member #778398
--------
OSH '08 or Bust
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| From: | "Larry Bowles" <schybolt(at)austin.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Criticism - Oshkosh |
HI BOB, & EVERYONE,
GUESS I HAD MY HEAD IN THE SAND. I ENJOYED EVERY MINUTE OF OSH.
HOMEBUILTS, WARBIRDS, TRANSPORTS, FORMATIONS, VENDORS, PEOPLE, THE BBQ
(THANKS LOADS, BOB, GREAT FOOD & FELLOWSHIP), THE ICECREAM, AND EVEN THE
RAIN (CAUGHT IN A DRY SPOT WITH A GUY WHO HAD PUT HIS RV6 IN A FIELD AFTER
AN ENGINE OUT--GREAT CONVERSATION). THE COST WAS BEARABLE, THE HEAT WASN'T
BAD, THE TRIP UP FROM TEXAS AND BACK WAS GREAT. I JUST CAN'T THINK OF
ANYTHING TO B__CH ABOUT EXCEPT MY FEET GOT REALLY TIRED EVERY DAY AND I ONLY
GOT TO ATTEND 3 DAYS.
LARRY BOWLES
RV7A
AUSTIN, TEXAS
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| From: | "Lamar Lawson" <lamar(at)takeflighttexas.com> |
| Subject: | airventure 2007 - What's all the fuss?! |
I really had a great time. My wife and i have gone every year since we have
been dating. over the years we have learned how to save a few bucks, we
stop at the store and buy water, breakfast supplies, and sandwich makings.
We only eat out at night and we carry a backpack full of water and snacks.
I think with airfare, camping, rental car, 3 days of the show, and what not;
we maybe spent $600 bucks.
I really would like to thank Bob and Darwin for the cook out. Thanks guys.
oh and for the guy that asked me last year if i was GMCJetPilot, here is
your answer. http://www.myspace.com/gmcjetpilot
i found this on one of the other lists so i cant take the credit. Im sure
he'll be pulling the site down shortly since he has been found out. LOL
GMCJetPilot I welcome all input, even yours.
What did I like about AirVenture? BOB F#ing Hoover!! just to sit and listen
to the guy is a real experience.
I thought there were tons of vendors there this year. I think this was the
first time I did not see everything I wanted to see. The show attendance
seemed light but i think that was due to the weather and also it seemed
everyone hit the show early this year. I talked to the guy i purchased my
engine from and he said he had paid for them being at the show by noon on
monday!! what is bad about that?
Bob C. shoot me an email off list. We never got to finish our conversation
about how much coax you need. Lamar(at)TakeFlightTexas.com
Lamar
RV7A
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| Subject: | Re: airventure 2007 - What's all the fuss?! |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
lamar(at)takeflighttexas. wrote:
>
> I really would like to thank Bob and Darwin for the cook out. Thanks guys.
I was in the middle of putting a slideshow together late this afternoon with about
120 picturs that my pal, Warren STarkebaum, took of the bbq. Then the bridge
in Minneapolis collapsed and I had to do my day job.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org
>
> oh and for the guy that asked me last year if i was GMCJetPilot, here is
> your answer. http://www.myspace.com/gmcjetpilot
> i found this on one of the other lists so i cant take the credit.
>
I can. I took it and the folks who've been plastering it all over the Internet
haven't credited me (let alone ask for permission). But, yeah, that's John Porter
right there. Funniest guy I ever met. The original is on my Letters From
Flyover Country blog.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| Subject: | Re: airventure 2007 - What's all the fuss?! |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
My error, I thought the GMCJetpilot link was going to the now infamous image.
Anyway, say, lamar, I forgot to recognize you and Nina at the BBQ. It seemed only
right to applaud you on your wedding. So here's a virtual one instead. Shoot.
I'm sorry. next year we'll observe your first anniversary.
Will get to you on the side regarding that cable. But I'll take what youv'e got
left.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
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| Subject: | Avweb 35 ship article |
| From: | Michael W Stewart <mike.stewart(at)us.ibm.com> |
EAA banter not withstanding, here is todays article on the 35 ship from
AVWeb.
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/RVs_Celebrate_At_Oshkosh_195815-1.
html
35 RVs Celebrate 35 Years Of Vans' At Oshkosh
By Mary Grady, Contributing Editor
Any pilot who has tried formation flying knows it is harder than it loo
ks.
And if flying close to two or three pals seems daunting, imagine flying
in
formation with 34 other airplanes. But a group of Van's RV pilots,
determined to honor designer Richard VanGrunsven and Van's Aircraft on
their 35th anniversary of being at Oshkosh, pulled it off with panache
last
week. After a couple of practice runs at a nearby airport, the 35-ship
formation flew a mass arrival into Wittman Field on Sunday afternoon, t
he
day before the show opened. On Tuesday and Wednesday, all 35 airplanes
took
off four at a time, then flew several maneuvers over the show. "This
formation over OSH was the buzz along the flightline and particularly
noteworthy as 35 pilots and planes remained mechanically sound and in
precision tight formations five times over a five-day period," flight
leader Stu McCurdy told AVweb. "It was a fitting acknowledgement of 35
years of Van's Aircraft producing quality homebuilt kits, with more tha
n
5,000 now flying." During the airshow, the airplanes took off four at a
time in fingertip formation, McCurdy said. "After takeoff, the No. 4s
dropped into the slot for four-ship Diamond formations, and the four-sh
ip
Diamonds then formed two 16-ship Diamond of Diamonds formation with a
three-ship tacked onto the second. The two formations then entered the
airspace over Oshkosh with a criss-cross maneuver followed by a join-up
into a Double Diamond shape. The 35-ship then transitioned in a Figure
8
pattern over OSH into an Arrow formation, then a Cluster formation, and
then for the final pass they joined into a huge 35-ship Diamond formati
on.
As far as we know, this is the largest close formation shape ever flown
at
AirVenture, or anywhere else."
Mike
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| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
Yes, I know, it's not RV-related.
There was a major bridge collapse in Minneapolis last night during
rush hour. It's all over the news, so I'm sure everyone knows about
it by now. A handful confirmed dead and 30-40 people are still missing.
We have a lot of RV builders in the Twin Cities. To everyone living
in the Cities or with friends and family here, I hope you're all okay.
If anyone has been touched by this catastrophe and needs a hand, feel
free to contact me. I can host house guests who need to come in to
help family members or take in pets or children who need a place to
stay while their parents are dealing with the fallout.
It would be nice if our TC-based builders could chime in and let us
know y'all are ok.
-Joe
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| From: | Jeff Dowling <shempdowling2(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cowl Intake plugs |
You can get a pack of 3 sponges from Walmart that work great and give
your plane that home built, custom look for a few bucks.
Jeff Shemp Dowling
6a 350hrs
Tim Bryan wrote:
>
> While at Oshkosh I saw several RVs with red plugs that go in the cowl
> intakes. Where can a person get these for an RV-6?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
> *
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | Jeff Dowling <shempdowling2(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | OSH interesting things |
How about the folding wing flying car from MIT grad students.
http://news.com.com/Flying+car+ready+for+takeoff/2100-11389_3-6040007.html
Jeff Shemp Dowling
Brian Meyette wrote:
>
> I attended a seminar on runway homes, which turned out to be a lot
> about self-directed IRAs, which Id only recently heard about and
> which seem like a great idea. Not many people know about them, but
> you can roll your past (not current) IRAs & 401Ks into a self-directed
> IRA that you can then use to buy real estate, a business, etc, as long
> as its not to directly benefit you or your direct relatives (so you
> cant use it to fund your plane). Seems like a good idea. Google
> self-directed IRA to get tons of info from the net.
>
>
>
> Having attended about every possible building seminar in the past, I
> had hoped to re-attend Kent Whites excellent series of seminars on
> metal forming, but he wasnt doing them this year. Also, his booth
> in the commercial hangar went unmanned, so I guess something came up
> for him & he couldnt make it. See http://www.tinmantech.com/
>
>
>
> I also re-attended Joe Norris excellent W&B seminar, as well as Joe
> Gauthiers most excellent seminars on final inspection and flight
> testing. If you havent attended them, I highly recommend them, as
> well as a Canadian mans (sorry dont recall his name) excellent and
> necessary seminar on fuel flow testing.
>
>
>
> I also attended a paint design seminar, which was quite useful. See
> http://schemedesigners.com/ for more info.
>
>
>
> Saw lots of cool LSAs & ultralights, including a very cool one-off
> custom design http://www.culverprops.com/back-yard-flyer.php
>
> Mostly welded construction; quite unique
>
> If I had it to do over again, Id get something like this first, then
> Id have something to fly while I build. I REALLY miss flying, and
> find myself constantly scheming on how to get an ultralight to fly
> while I spend at least another year building.
>
>
>
> I didnt spend much time in the RV area, as Ive already closely
> examined and photographed about every RV there in past years. I
> guess Im getting to the construction stage where Ive already bought
> about everything I need and have done, committed to, or
> already know what I need to do on all the remaining steps.
>
>
>
> I saw a cool demo of the Vertical Power product to control all your
> wiring in one box. Im already past that stage, but it looked
> promising. Not cheap, but looks like a good product. The owner, Marc
> Ausman, also helped support the RV BBQ. See
> http://www.verticalpower.com/
>
>
>
> Some very cool jets, but, as my wife said to me when I commented on an
> especially cool jet, when did you ever see a jet that you DIDNT
> think was cool? If I won the lottery, Id buy an L-39 and spend 8
> hours a day every day training in it.
>
>
>
> I saw a couple Questair Venture planes, a defunct kit, which were cool
> picture a stubby, bulbous RV with a Conti 550 engine and retractable
> gear that goes 240 knots.
>
>
>
> The $10K Bruce King BK1 was pretty cool, too; also kind of a short,
> bulbous cross between a Hummelbird and an RV
>
>
>
> brian
>
>
>
> http://brian76.mystarband.net/RV-7Ahome.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Bob Collins
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:28 AM
> *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV-List: Re: Eaa banter
>
>
>
> What is the most interesting RV-related thing you saw at Oshkosh this
> year, folks? I didn't get a chance to see the RV on floats but I'd
> seen the pictures of it. Smitty has some pictures of it in the water
> on Doug's site.
>
>
>
> What else?
>
>
>
> Forums? Anybody learn anything at a forum?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David Schaefer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:20 AM
> *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Re: Eaa banter
>
> As much as I didn't want to get involved ... your note was the last
> straw. I agree completely with Charlie ... this is the RV FORUM ..
> not the bitch about EAA forum. If you want a bitch about EAA forum go
> to Yahoo and create an "EAA SUCKS" forum and continue to spout this
> dribble. OTHERWISE, let's talk about RVs, RV construction etc.
>
> OH .. and I've been a member of EAA since 1974 and while I don't like
> much of what they have become, this is not the place to discuss it.
>
> Now flame me all you want!
>
>
> * *
> * *
> * - The RV-List Email Forum -*
> **
> **
> **
> **
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| From: | "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" <jfogarty(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bridge Collapse |
I'm building an RV9a at Breezy Point MN and our family is all okay. Our son
Jon and his family were in the area at 4 pm returning from Wisconsin but
they were on 94. My prayers go out to all the families. Destruction like
this hits home real fast! The cell phones were hot in MN last night.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Larson" <jpl(at)showpage.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:07 AM
Subject: RV-List: Bridge Collapse
>
> Yes, I know, it's not RV-related.
>
> There was a major bridge collapse in Minneapolis last night during rush
> hour. It's all over the news, so I'm sure everyone knows about it by
> now. A handful confirmed dead and 30-40 people are still missing.
>
> We have a lot of RV builders in the Twin Cities. To everyone living in
> the Cities or with friends and family here, I hope you're all okay.
>
> If anyone has been touched by this catastrophe and needs a hand, feel
> free to contact me. I can host house guests who need to come in to help
> family members or take in pets or children who need a place to stay while
> their parents are dealing with the fallout.
>
> It would be nice if our TC-based builders could chime in and let us know
> y'all are ok.
>
> -Joe
>
>
> --
> 269.11.2/931 - Release Date: 8/1/2007 4:53 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Sender float not secure |
| From: | "n707sm" <mobrien02(at)comcast.net> |
I have a 7A with QB wings. I'm working on installing the Van's float type fuel
senders, and have bent the float arm per the plans (with the unit). However,
I'm surprised to find that the float arm does not have a positive fit in it's
holder. Sure, it clips in fine, the holder tabs are intact, but the float arm
can twirl around (within the plastic holder) and possibly come loose.
Anybody else have this issue? Did you do anything about it? ...Like use ProSeal
to help fix it in place?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Michael O.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127271#127271
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| From: | Fiveonepw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender float not secure |
In a message dated 08/02/2007 9:12:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
mobrien02(at)comcast.net writes:
Anybody else have this issue? Did you do anything about it? ...Like use
ProSeal to help fix it in place?
I've never heard of one coming loose, but in the Experimental world, whatever
"floats" yer boat! There's many an RV out there with the fuel pickup tubes
securely fastened with proseal, so I'd reckon a little dab'll do ya on them
thar floats as well, but bear in mind it will add a bit of weight to the float...
>From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark Phillips
_http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/_
(http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/)
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| From: | "Garry" <garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender float not secure |
Michael, I just completed the fix with an identical problem. The plans
don't show it but you have to take the last 1/3 inch of the float arm and
bend it 90 degrees. This bend will allow the arm to snap into the plastic
holder with the 90 degree bend at the bottom of the holder. This keeps it
from rotating around. I discovered this after I completed my build, painted
the plane and did the 40 hour fly off. On my left wing, I removed the tank
completely to gain access to the float sensor. The right I removed the
sensor with the tank attached. Working in such a tight space between the
wing and the fuselage, and trying to proseal the sensor back into place
after making the appropriate bend in the float arm, was a tight and messy
job. I almost suggest removing the tank.........but then your wings aren't
yet attached so you've got it made.
Garry Stout
RV7A Tampa Florida
----- Original Message -----
From: "n707sm" <mobrien02(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:09 PM
Subject: RV-List: Fuel Sender float not secure
>
> I have a 7A with QB wings. I'm working on installing the Van's float type
> fuel senders, and have bent the float arm per the plans (with the unit).
> However, I'm surprised to find that the float arm does not have a positive
> fit in it's holder. Sure, it clips in fine, the holder tabs are intact,
> but the float arm can twirl around (within the plastic holder) and
> possibly come loose.
>
> Anybody else have this issue? Did you do anything about it? ...Like use
> ProSeal to help fix it in place?
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>
> Michael O.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127271#127271
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender float not secure |
| From: | evmeg(at)snowcrest.net |
Michael, I have seen this an awful lot. I think the problem is you missed
a small bend in the float wire. Have another careful look at the bend
diagram....its easy to miss. There is a 3/4" bend that is bent 90 degrees
and goes right through the sending unit arm...just down from the clips.
That is the only thing that keeps it from rotating. You can try using some
sealant, it may work as well....but I recommend just getting some new
floats. You may have a different problem but this one sounds textbook to
me.
Hope this helps..
Cheers...
Evan Johnson
>
> I have a 7A with QB wings. I'm working on installing the Van's float type
> fuel senders, and have bent the float arm per the plans (with the unit).
> However, I'm surprised to find that the float arm does not have a positive
> fit in it's holder. Sure, it clips in fine, the holder tabs are intact,
> but the float arm can twirl around (within the plastic holder) and
> possibly come loose.
>
> Anybody else have this issue? Did you do anything about it? ...Like use
> ProSeal to help fix it in place?
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>
> Michael O.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127271#127271
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender float not secure |
| From: | "n707sm" <mobrien02(at)comcast.net> |
Mark, Garry and Evan,
Thanks a bunch for your quick replies. I now see that little detail on the plan
-- makes sense.
I had searched the forum prior to posting but did not see anybody else reporting
this issue (...of course, if they're searching, they will have already made
the mistake -- like me [Wink] ).
Thanks again!
Michael
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127279#127279
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| From: | "Ken Arnold" <arno7452(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | MapSource Waypoint Inputs |
Listers,
Anyone aware of data base to get airport Lat/Lon, ID, msl etc that can
be downloaded to MapSource program as waypoints? Doing it manually sure
takes a long time.
Many thanks,
Ken
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| From: | Tim Lewis <Tim_Lewis(at)msm.umr.edu> |
| Subject: | Stewart Systems (formerly AFS) paint system |
Listers,
I spent some time talking to the Stewart Systems (formerly AFS) guys at
OSH about their water-borne polyurethane paint system. I painted my
RV-6A with Imron (single stage), but am interested in something less
hazardous for my RV-10, if it'll do a good job. Do any listers have any
experiences with this paint that you'd care to share? I'm interested in
any experiences with applying the paint, quality of finish, and
durabiltiy (wear, resistance to fuel spills, etc).
Thanks,
Tim Lewis
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
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| From: | "Greg Williams" <mr.gsun+rv-list(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cowl Intake plugs |
Tim,
Van's makes a set, I'm sure you know. My wife has started making them on
her new embroidery/sewing machine. The ones for my RV-7 have our N-number
on one plug and our names on the other side. Pretty neat. We were going to
make and sell them at Arlington and but had too much fun at the airshow.
Greg
On 7/31/07, Tim Bryan wrote:
>
> While at Oshkosh I saw several RV's with red plugs that go in the cowl
> intakes. Where can a person get these for an RV-6?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
For those of you who have smoke systems in your RV paticuraly an RV-6; what
system did you use and where/ how was it mounted and set up? I would like
to look into having this, but need more detail about where to install it.
Thanks
Tim
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| From: | "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com> |
http://www.smokingairplanes.com/index.html
Behind the pax seat. Removed the floor and added nutplates to hold mounting
bracket.
John of Smoking Airplanes furnishes instructions. I mounted the tank 90
degrees from his recommended method. My installation is a copy of what Roy
"Jarhead" Geer did with his. Roy typically flys the slot in "Falcon
Flight". There use to be photos of his installation at the above link but
the web site has been updated without it.
John of Smoking Airplane used an RV-6A for his prototype system and to get
all the bugs worked out.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,050 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: RV-List: Smoke systems
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 21:01:05 -0500
For those of you who have smoke systems in your RV paticuraly an RV-6; what
system did you use and where/ how was it mounted and set up? I would like
to look into having this, but need more detail about where to install it.
Thanks
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Stewart Systems (formerly AFS) paint system |
Hi Tim,
I have been painting my RV 8 interior as I go using their system. It takes
a while to figure out how to use it. The folks at hanger 21 have been very
helpful in technique tips. They also make a pretty good video they sent to
me. The real key in getting a really smooth, tough finish is the final coat.
Needs to go on thick enough to flow to gloss but not so thick it runs.
All in all, I have been pretty pleased with the product and support. It
hasn't been outside yet, so I can't really comment on wear.
Good luck with it.
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Fuselage
San Ramon
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| From: | "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Bruce Lee-Alternatives to RV-6 |
I know this is sacrilege on the RV list Bruce but if you like the RV-6 I
suggest you consider a FALCO or GP-4. Both are plans built with performance
better than the RV-6/7/8 and more beautiful than any of the Hershey bar wing
RVs. I looked very closely at both these airplanes before finally choosing
an RV-6A. I thought an airplane kit with most of the parts already
fabricated would go together more quickly than a plans built airplane (kits
are available for the Falco but when you add up the ridiculous prices you
end with somewhere around $100,000.00, and that's just for the airframe). I
was wrong about that, it has taken 10.5 long years to do a slow build RV kit
but soon I'll be flying my Corvette with wings and I'm excited about that
(especially after getting a bunch of hours in Van's transition trainer last
month). Yes the number of RVs has gotten to be huge in the past decade but
it is an extremely stout airplane with wonderful flying qualities that is
affordable and insurable. Come to think of it, why not build an RV-7? The
matched hole kits are more affordable than any other kit on the market and
they go together quickly and easily. Good luck with solving your dilemma.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Finish wiring this weekend ya hoo!
-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cbaron66
>Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:15 AM
>Subject: RV-List: Re: Eaa banter
>
>......For quite some time I was set on building an RV6 but(here's the part
>you won't like) over the last 7 to 9 years, from the "outside", the RV
>planes and crowds have become much like the classic corvette crowd.
>
>.................... I plan on flying my plans built plane from my own
>grass strip, day VFR only and never coming near any controlled airspace
bruce.lee(at)honeywell.com
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| From: | John Veld <jcveld(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | RV6-A kit for sale |
I have an older (not pre-punched) RV6-A tail, wing, and fuselage kit
for sale. The tail is almost complete with a few cosmetic tweaks to
do. The wing has Plogiston spars and is framed....one clecoed
together, one riveted..... the outboard leading edge of one is
riveted while the whole leading edge of the other is drilled & in
clecos....
The fuselage kit is untouched, and i do not have a finishing kit so
it is still possible to get the fuselage parts to build as a
taildragger....
I am located in Kalamazoo, MI and I'm asking $6900 for the kit.. also
would consider trades such as car, /boat....
contact # is 269 267-2509...... John Veld
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| From: | Lucio Castrogiovanni <rv7alucio(at)yahoo.it> |
| Subject: | Lycomin O 320 E2D |
Hi folk=0AI'm choosing about an O-320 E2D 150 HP for my RV 7a, is there som
eone who fly it with this engine?=0A=0ALucio Castrogiovanni=0ARV 7-A Tail k
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| Subject: | Need source for rivet |
| From: | Travis Hamblen <travishamblen(at)gmail.com> |
I am looking for 10 either AN470AD8 or MS20470AD8 rivets (two different
part numbers for the same rivet). I realize this rivet is REALLY wide
for our typical application, but I have a specific need and just can not
find a source for the rivet! The length is unimportant, as I can cut
them down to the size I need. If you have any information as to where I
can get these PLEASE e-mail me! Did I mention that once I have these
bad boys squeezed into the holes they will be filling, the plane will be
signed off and first flight will be made!! By the way, ACS and the
usual sources stop at AD6 rivets!
Travis
TravisHamblen(at)gmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Knicholas2(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lycomin O 320 E2D |
In a message dated 8/4/2007 7:05:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rv7alucio(at)yahoo.it writes:
I'm choosing about an O-320 E2D 150 HP for my RV 7a, is there someone who
fly it with this engine?
My RV9A is flying with this engine. It has 1300 hours on it but I replaced
the wiring, starter, carb, mags. It has pleanty of power and only consumes 7
gph at 140 knots!!
Kim Nicholas
Seattle
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| From: | "Reginald C. Smith, Sr." <smirdrv(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RV6-A kit for sale |
Would you consider selling just the Fuselage kit.... I have the Tail, and
both wings built and am preparing to purchase the Fuselage. You can reply
off line @ smirdrv(at)hotmail.com.
>From: John Veld <jcveld(at)mac.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: RV6-A kit for sale
>Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 09:11:20 -0400
>
>
>I have an older (not pre-punched) RV6-A tail, wing, and fuselage kit for
>sale. The tail is almost complete with a few cosmetic tweaks to do. The
>wing has Plogiston spars and is framed....one clecoed together, one
>riveted..... the outboard leading edge of one is riveted while the whole
>leading edge of the other is drilled & in clecos....
>The fuselage kit is untouched, and i do not have a finishing kit so it is
>still possible to get the fuselage parts to build as a taildragger....
>I am located in Kalamazoo, MI and I'm asking $6900 for the kit.. also
>would consider trades such as car, /boat....
>contact # is 269 267-2509...... John Veld
>
>
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| From: | Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Need source for rivet |
Try here: They list AD8 on their web page for rivets
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Travis Hamblen wrote:
>
> I am looking for 10 either AN470AD8 or MS20470AD8 rivets (two
> different part numbers for the same rivet). I realize this rivet is
> REALLY wide for our typical application, but I have a specific need
> and just can not find a source for the rivet! The length is
> unimportant, as I can cut them down to the size I need. If you have
> any information as to where I can get these PLEASE e-mail me! Did I
> mention that once I have these bad boys squeezed into the holes they
> will be filling, the plane will be signed off and first flight will be
> made!! By the way, ACS and the usual sources stop at AD6 rivets!
>
> Travis
> TravisHamblen(at)gmail.com
>
>
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| From: | "Ernie & Margo" <ekells(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or Light Weight |
Would someone with experience in using both the heavy canopy cover and the
light cover like to comment on their performance.
I am considering the Canopy Cover RV-9/9A (continuous duty) at $335 and the
Canopy Cover LW-6EXT (Light Weight}at $185. Cost is not the issue. My
impression is that the the heay cover is designed to protect parked
airplanes and the light weight models are designed for travel. I plan to do
a lot of cross-country flying 12 months per year. This includes exposure to
snow and ice, desert sun, etc., a couple of weeks at a time. The light
weight cover may not measure up to the heavy duty use, but is the
"continuous duty" cover too heavy and too bulky for travelling - perhaps
50% of all flight hours. Will the Light Weight travel cover self-destruct
with winter trips in the north-east and Canada.
I would appreciate any experience or insight. Ernest Kells - RV/9A (testing
electricals / preparing for the final inspecton)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Need source for rivet |
| From: | "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> |
Travis, how many do you need and of what lengths?
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Travis Hamblen
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 7:47 AM
Subject: RV-List: Need source for rivet
I am looking for 10 either AN470AD8 or MS20470AD8 rivets (two different
part numbers for the same rivet). I realize this rivet is REALLY wide
for our typical application, but I have a specific need and just can not
find a source for the rivet! The length is unimportant, as I can cut
them down to the size I need. If you have any information as to where I
can get these PLEASE e-mail me! Did I mention that once I have these
bad boys squeezed into the holes they will be filling, the plane will be
signed off and first flight will be made!! By the way, ACS and the
usual sources stop at AD6 rivets!
Travis
TravisHamblen(at)gmail.com
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| From: | "SteinAir, Inc." <stein(at)steinair.com> |
Definately the smoking airplanes system is the way to go. Probably the best
and most complete kit of any sort that I've used from any vendor in a long
time. There are a couple videos of mine on my website at:
http://www.steinair.com/videos/videos.htm
My tank is in the baggage compartment, but it disconnects so easily that it
can be removed pretty easily if need be.
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:01 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Smoke systems
For those of you who have smoke systems in your RV paticuraly an RV-6;
what system did you use and where/ how was it mounted and set up? I would
like to look into having this, but need more detail about where to install
it.
Thanks
Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
Stein and Gary,
Thanks a bunch. I will check it out along with what I can gleam from your
website. Looks like they have several models, are some in specific the
right thing for an RV?
Tim
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir, Inc.
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Smoke systems
Definately the smoking airplanes system is the way to go. Probably the best
and most complete kit of any sort that I've used from any vendor in a long
time. There are a couple videos of mine on my website at:
http://www.steinair.com/videos/videos.htm
My tank is in the baggage compartment, but it disconnects so easily that it
can be removed pretty easily if need be.
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:01 PM
Subject: RV-List: Smoke systems
For those of you who have smoke systems in your RV paticuraly an RV-6; what
system did you use and where/ how was it mounted and set up? I would like
to look into having this, but need more detail about where to install it.
Thanks
Tim
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
Hi Gary,
I had asked about model but after looking at their website it appears easy
to figure the configuration I would need. Thanks for the info.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Smoke systems
>
>
>
> http://www.smokingairplanes.com/index.html
>
> Behind the pax seat. Removed the floor and added nutplates to hold
> mounting
> bracket.
>
> John of Smoking Airplanes furnishes instructions. I mounted the tank 90
> degrees from his recommended method. My installation is a copy of what
> Roy
> "Jarhead" Geer did with his. Roy typically flys the slot in "Falcon
> Flight". There use to be photos of his installation at the above link but
> the web site has been updated without it.
>
> John of Smoking Airplane used an RV-6A for his prototype system and to get
> all the bugs worked out.
>
>
> Gary A. Sobek
> "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
> 2,050 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
> Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> To:
> Subject: RV-List: Smoke systems
> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 21:01:05 -0500
>
> For those of you who have smoke systems in your RV paticuraly an RV-6;
> what
> system did you use and where/ how was it mounted and set up? I would like
> to look into having this, but need more detail about where to install it.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim
>
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| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
| Subject: | Cowl Intake plugs |
Would she make some for me? Pretty please :-)
Tim
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Williams
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Cowl Intake plugs
Tim,
Van's makes a set, I'm sure you know. My wife has started making them on
her new embroidery/sewing machine. The ones for my RV-7 have our N-number
on one plug and our names on the other side. Pretty neat. We were going to
make and sell them at Arlington and but had too much fun at the airshow.
Greg
On 7/31/07, Tim Bryan wrote:
While at Oshkosh I saw several RV's with red plugs that go in the cowl
intakes. Where can a person get these for an RV-6?
Thanks
Tim
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| From: | Oldsfolks(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | RV Transition Training In Arkansas |
Does anyone have a contact for RV Transition (Tailwheel) training in
Arkansas, preferably near Fort Smith ??
Please call Bob Olds 479-965-7835 (Ans Mach.) , cell 479-965-3278,
Charleston,AR.
Thanks much.
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Lewis <Tim_Lewis(at)msm.umr.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Need source for rivet |
Depending on the application, a 1/4" round head steel screw and nyloc
nut might be an easier solution. The screw will be stronger than an
aluminum rivet, and it won't require a compatible rivet set like the
AN470AD8 will.
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
Travis Hamblen wrote:
>
> I am looking for 10 either AN470AD8 or MS20470AD8 rivets (two
> different part numbers for the same rivet). I realize this rivet is
> REALLY wide for our typical application, but I have a specific need
> and just can not find a source for the rivet! The length is
> unimportant, as I can cut them down to the size I need. If you have
> any information as to where I can get these PLEASE e-mail me! Did I
> mention that once I have these bad boys squeezed into the holes they
> will be filling, the plane will be signed off and first flight will be
> made!! By the way, ACS and the usual sources stop at AD6 rivets!
>
> Travis
> TravisHamblen(at)gmail.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or Light Weight |
I would personally never use a canopy cover for extended periods of time. Over
night maybe, as long as you aren't in a dusty environment. Any dirt under the
cover and when the wind blows, and all of a sudden you have microscratches all
over your canopy. I would consider an internal cover of some sort, not an
external one.
Paul Besing
Ernie & Margo wrote:
Would someone with experience in using both the heavy canopy cover and the
light cover like to comment on their performance.
I am considering the Canopy Cover RV-9/9A (continuous duty) at $335 and the
Canopy Cover LW-6EXT (Light Weight}at $185. Cost is not the issue. My
impression is that the the heay cover is designed to protect parked
airplanes and the light weight models are designed for travel. I plan to do
a lot of cross-country flying 12 months per year. This includes exposure to
snow and ice, desert sun, etc., a couple of weeks at a time. The light
weight cover may not measure up to the heavy duty use, but is the
"continuous duty" cover too heavy and too bulky for travelling - perhaps
50% of all flight hours. Will the Light Weight travel cover self-destruct
with winter trips in the north-east and Canada.
I would appreciate any experience or insight. Ernest Kells - RV/9A (testing
electricals / preparing for the final inspecton)
---------------------------------
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Something We Really Need |
Hi gang,
Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
-
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Leonard" <wdleonard(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Something We Really Need |
I'm with you, we really do need something (not really an entirely new idea
I'm sure). One problem is that my airport will not allow any kind of a tarp
or awning. Whatever it is would have to be entirely supported by the
aircraft itself...
I have been thinking about some sort of tarp that will cover the canopy area
supported by clamps on the wings or fuselage. But a reasonable design
escapes me.
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On 8/5/07, Louis Willig wrote:
>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
> hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
> Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
> have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
> one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
> temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
> do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
> acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
> moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
> weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
> marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
> of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
> easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
> companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
> aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
> the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
> fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
> Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bayne" <bjust(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Something We Really Need |
The Plane Pocket may be a suitable alternative.
http://www.planepocket.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Willig" <larywil(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: RV-List: Something We Really Need
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of hangars for
> our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the Philadelphia area if you
> could even find one, I and several others have discussed tie down
> solutions. None of which are palatable. Any one who ties down his/her
> aircraft outside will have to find a temporary hangar in which to do
> repairs and maintenance. That's OK, do-able. But few of us live in a
> geographical area that is acceptable for long-term outside storage in
> terms of heat cold and moisture. I have recently spent some time in the
> almost perfect weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them
> only marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort of
> shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed easily, and
> would be acceptable to the airport and insurance companies (We don't want
> the thing blowing away and damaging other aircraft). Do any of you on this
> list have any ideas how to create the "Tie Down Hangar" I am
> conceptualizing? It would be worth a fortune to the person who can create
> and provide a secure "Tie Down Hangar" that the airport would find
> acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
> --
> 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
| From: | john(at)jallenplace.com |
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A=0AJack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating stroke
last year. It is apparent that he won=99t fly again. That=99s
a tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take over
his RV-4 project.=0A=0AHis wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is
currently located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
roughly equivalent to a Van=99s =9Cquickbuild=9D. There
is an O320-E2D first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There i
s also a radio and a number of instruments.=0A=0AMy thinking is that this w
ould be an excellent way for someone to walk into an RV4 project at a
=9Cquickbuild=9D level without having to separately acquire an eng
ine or tools. The project is at a point where the builder could legitimatel
y claim to be under the 51% rule and receive the benefits thereof.=0A=0AMy
guess is an appropriate price would be in the $25k range for the airframe,
instruments, kit, and tools. We would also be willing to entertain offers o
n the separate components, though we have no interest in separating the air
frame kit itself. =0A
=0AJack's work was quite meticulous.
=0A=0APictures of the project can be seen at http://picasaweb.google.com/ja
llenplace/RV4Parts =0A=0AYou can contact me to get additional information.:
=0A=0AJohn Allen=0A626.676-8987 cell=0Arvator(at)jallenplace.com=0A=0ABTW. Jac
k's hangar partner, John Morgensen, is available on site and on request to
show the kit to prospective buyers. John is an RV-9 builder.=0A=0ARegards,
=0A=0AJohn Allen=0ARV-6A=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
On 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john(at)jallenplace.com wrote:
>
> Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
> stroke last year. It is apparent that he wont fly again. Thats a
> tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
> over his RV-4 project.
>
> His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is currently
> located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
> roughly equivalent to a Vans quickbuild. There is an O320-E2D
> first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There is also
> a radio and a number of instruments.
>
> My thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to
> walk into an RV4 project at a quickbuild level without having to
> separately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point
> where the builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule
> and receive the benefits thereof.
>
It wouldn't matter if the project was 99% complete - the new
purchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more than 51% would
have been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Many projects
change hands several times, with no one builder having done more than
50%.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bill newkirk <wwnewkirk(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
BUT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51% himself wo
uld not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.=0A=0ABill Newkirk=0AFresno, C
A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.c
om>=0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, August 6, 2007 5:05:25 AM
=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools,
gers.com>=0A=0AOn 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john(at)jallenplace.com wrote:=0A=0A>
=0A> Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating =0A> s
troke last year. It is apparent that he won=92t fly again. That=92s a =0A>
tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take =0A>
over his RV-4 project.=0A>=0A> His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, w
hich is currently =0A> located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe
is in a stage =0A> roughly equivalent to a Van=92s =93quickbuild=94. Ther
e is an O320-E2D =0A> first run engine core with accessories and logbooks.
There is also =0A> a radio and a number of instruments.=0A>=0A> My thinki
ng is that this would be an excellent way for someone to =0A> walk into an
RV4 project at a =93quickbuild=94 level without having to =0A> separately
acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point =0A> where the buil
der could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule =0A> and receive the
benefits thereof.=0A>=0A=0AIt wouldn't matter if the project was 99% compl
ete - the new =0Apurchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more th
an 51% would =0Ahave been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Man
y projects =0Achange hands several times, with no one builder having done
more than =0A50%.=0A=0AKevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)=0AOttawa,
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| From: | "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic2(at)starband.net> |
| Subject: | RV Transition Training In Arkansas |
Check here for possibilities:
http://brian76.mystarband.net/training.htm
if you find any not on list, please let me know
brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: RV-List: RV Transition Training In Arkansas
Does anyone have a contact for RV Transition (Tailwheel) training in
Arkansas, preferably near Fort Smith ??
Please call Bob Olds 479-965-7835 (Ans Mach.) , cell 479-965-3278,
Charleston,AR.
Thanks much.
_____
<http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> .
4:16 PM
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| From: | scott bilinski <rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
Dont ask dont tell?=0A =0AScott Bilinski=0ARV-8a=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Origin
al Message ----=0AFrom: bill newkirk <wwnewkirk(at)yahoo.com>=0ATo: rv-list@ma
tronics.com=0ASent: Monday, August 6, 2007 6:58:01 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV-Lis
t: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments=0A=0A=0AB
UT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51% himself wou
ld not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.=0A=0ABill Newkirk=0AFresno, CA
=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers
.com>=0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, August 6, 2007 5:05:25 AM
=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools,
(at)rogers.com>=0A=0AOn 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john(at)jallenplace.com wrote:=0A
=0A>=0A> Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
=0A> stroke last year. It is apparent that he won=92t fly again. That=92s a
=0A> tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
=0A> over his RV-4 project.=0A>=0A> His wife has asked me to help sell the
-4, which is currently =0A> located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The ai
rframe is in a stage =0A> roughly equivalent to a Van=92s =93quickbuild=94
. There is an O320-E2D =0A> first run engine core with accessories and log
books. There is also =0A> a radio and a number of instruments.=0A>=0A> My
thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to =0A> walk i
nto an RV4 project at a =93quickbuild=94 level without having to =0A> sepa
rately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point =0A> where th
e builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule =0A> and recei
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complete - the new =0Apurchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as m
ore than 51% would =0Ahave been built by amateurs for educational purposes
. Many projects =0Achange hands several times, with no one builder having
done more than =0A50%.=0A=0AKevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)=0AO
ttawa, Canada=0Ahttp://www.kilohotel.com/rv8=0A=0A=0A=0A/www.matronics.com/
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| Subject: | FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
Well gee, that's not true either. ONLY the Airworthiness Certification
cares
about the "51% rule" as Kevin noted. The Repairmans Certificate can be
issued to only one builder per aircraft but doesn't require any specific
level of participation. In group builds, one member of the group can
get
the RC. I think the FSDO has to make a judgment on whether the person is
qualified for the RC, i.e. they built enough and have enough knowledge
to
maintain it. If they use the 51% as a limiting criteria they are making
their own rules.
Regards,
Greg Young
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill newkirk
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools,
instruments
BUT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51% himself
would not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.
Bill Newkirk
Fresno, CA
----- Original Message ----
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 5:05:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools,
instruments
On 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john(at)jallenplace.com wrote:
>
> Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
> stroke last year. It is apparent that he won=92t fly again. That=92s a
> tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
> over his RV-4 project.
>
> His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is currently
> located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
> roughly equivalent to a Van=92s =93quickbuild=94. There is an O320-E2D
> first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There is also
> a radio and a number of instruments.
>
> My thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to
> walk into an RV4 project at a =93quickbuild=94 level without having to
> separately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point
> where the builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule
> and receive the benefits thereof.
>
It wouldn't matter if the project was 99% complete - the new
purchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more than 51% would
have been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Many projects
change hands several times, with no one builder having done more than
50%.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
HYPERLINK "http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8" \nhttp://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
4:16 PM
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| From: | Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
The regs offer two choices:
-in a partnership, only one member of the partnership may apply
-in a solo build, the the builder must have built the "majority" of
the airplane
If the airplane is in a "quick build" state, the person who finishes
it could say he built the majority. But if the airplane were nearly
finished, you could register it (the 51% rule would apply), but you
couldn't say you built the majority. I don't know if you could call
it a partnership, either, if the other "partner" who did most of the
work is unavailable.
-J
On Aug 6, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Greg Young wrote:
> Well gee, that's not true either. ONLY the Airworthiness
> Certification cares about the "51% rule" as Kevin noted. The
> Repairmans Certificate can be issued to only one builder per
> aircraft but doesn't require any specific level of participation.
> In group builds, one member of the group can get the RC. I think
> the FSDO has to make a judgment on whether the person is qualified
> for the RC, i.e. they built enough and have enough knowledge to
> maintain it. If they use the 51% as a limiting criteria they are
> making their own rules.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Young
>
>
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill newkirk
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:58 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine,
> tools, instruments
>
> BUT, what does matter, is that a person who builds less than 51%
> himself would not qualify for a Repairmans Certificate.
>
> Bill Newkirk
> Fresno, CA
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 5:05:25 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine,
> tools, instruments
>
>
> On 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john(at)jallenplace.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
> > stroke last year. It is apparent that he won=92t fly again. That=92s
a
> > tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
> > over his RV-4 project.
> >
> > His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is currently
> > located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
> > roughly equivalent to a Van=92s =93quickbuild=94. There is an
O320-E2D
> > first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There is also
> > a radio and a number of instruments.
> >
> > My thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to
> > walk into an RV4 project at a =93quickbuild=94 level without having
to
> > separately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point
> > where the builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule
> > and receive the benefits thereof.
> >
>
> It wouldn't matter if the project was 99% complete - the new
> purchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more than 51% would
> have been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Many projects
> change hands several times, with no one builder having done more than
> 50%.
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
> 4:16 PM
>
> ========================
> ========================
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kenyon Brooks <kenbrooks(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | 3-D Paint Program |
I'm looking for a paint program that will allow me to rotate the
painted RV-8 image through 360 I've seen a few on builders'
websites, but don't know where they've gotten the software. Bill
VonDane - any thoughts? Others? Thanks in advance.
Ken Brooks
RV-8 N1903P
Finishing...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
| Subject: | 3-D Paint Program |
This one will work and it's free and it's lots of fun to use, but it will be
a frustrating process to create a 3-d file of an airplane.
http://www.sketchup.com/
I use it a lot for preliminary design of buildings.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kenyon Brooks
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:46 AM
Subject: RV-List: 3-D Paint Program
I'm looking for a paint program that will allow me to rotate the
painted RV-8 image through 360 I've seen a few on builders'
websites, but don't know where they've gotten the software. Bill
VonDane - any thoughts? Others? Thanks in advance.
Ken Brooks
RV-8 N1903P
Finishing...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Dowling <shempdowling2(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Something We Really Need |
How about the aerolift.
Jeff
Louis Willig wrote:
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of hangars
> for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the Philadelphia area if
> you could even find one, I and several others have discussed tie down
> solutions. None of which are palatable. Any one who ties down his/her
> aircraft outside will have to find a temporary hangar in which to do
> repairs and maintenance. That's OK, do-able. But few of us live in a
> geographical area that is acceptable for long-term outside storage in
> terms of heat cold and moisture. I have recently spent some time in
> the almost perfect weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still
> find them only marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
> of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed easily,
> and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance companies (We
> don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other aircraft). Do any
> of you on this list have any ideas how to create the "Tie Down Hangar"
> I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a fortune to the person who
> can create and provide a secure "Tie Down Hangar" that the airport
> would find acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments |
BUT...I believe if the builder who registers it can't prove HE did a
majority, he will NOT be able to get the coveted repairman's
certificate...but he can get it licensed.
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
Kevin Horton wrote:
>
> On 5 Aug 2007, at 19:41, john(at)jallenplace.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Jack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating
>> stroke last year. It is apparent that he wont fly again. Thats a
>> tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take
>> over his RV-4 project.
>>
>> His wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is currently
>> located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
>> roughly equivalent to a Vans quickbuild. There is an O320-E2D
>> first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There is also a
>> radio and a number of instruments.
>>
>> My thinking is that this would be an excellent way for someone to
>> walk into an RV4 project at a quickbuild level without having to
>> separately acquire an engine or tools. The project is at a point
>> where the builder could legitimately claim to be under the 51% rule
>> and receive the benefits thereof.
>>
>
> It wouldn't matter if the project was 99% complete - the new
> purchaser would still be OK with the 51% rule, as more than 51% would
> have been built by amateurs for educational purposes. Many projects
> change hands several times, with no one builder having done more than
> 50%.
>
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | d wntzl <dwntzl(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips |
Greetings,
I am planning a trip from Apalachicola FL to Fairfax CA later this month and
am looking for tips as to routing and or stopovers. I'd rather not contend
with any more mountain flying than necessary since I am a flatlander!
Also, is anyone familar with either Gnoss Field (DVO Novato), or San Rafael
(CA35)? San Rafale would be closer and more convenient to Fairfax, but it is
private. I'll probably be staying in the area for about a week.
Tips, comments, insight, advice all welcome.
Thanks in advance
David Wentzell N233DW Port St. Joe, FL
RV6, 200+ Hrs
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1. 05:50 AM - Re: Need source for rivet (Tim Lewis)
2. 07:46 AM - Re: Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or Light Weight (Paul
Besing)
3. 08:11 AM - Something We Really Need (Louis Willig)
4. 12:21 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (David Leonard)
5. 12:46 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (Bayne)
6. 04:42 PM - FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments (john(at)jallenplace.com)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: Tim Lewis
Subject: Re: RV-List: Need source for rivet
Depending on the application, a 1/4" round head steel screw and nyloc
nut might be an easier solution. The screw will be stronger than an
aluminum rivet, and it won't require a compatible rivet set like the
AN470AD8 will.
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
Travis Hamblen wrote:
>
> I am looking for 10 either AN470AD8 or MS20470AD8 rivets (two
> different part numbers for the same rivet). I realize this rivet is
> REALLY wide for our typical application, but I have a specific need
> and just can not find a source for the rivet! The length is
> unimportant, as I can cut them down to the size I need. If you have
> any information as to where I can get these PLEASE e-mail me! Did I
> mention that once I have these bad boys squeezed into the holes they
> will be filling, the plane will be signed off and first flight will be
> made!! By the way, ACS and the usual sources stop at AD6 rivets!
>
> Travis
> TravisHamblen(at)gmail.com
>
>
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: Paul Besing
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or Light Weight
I would personally never use a canopy cover for extended periods of time. Over
night maybe, as long as you aren't in a dusty environment. Any dirt under the
cover and when the wind blows, and all of a sudden you have microscratches all
over your canopy. I would consider an internal cover of some sort, not an
external one.
Paul Besing
Ernie & Margo wrote:
Would someone with experience in using both the heavy canopy cover and the
light cover like to comment on their performance.
I am considering the Canopy Cover RV-9/9A (continuous duty) at $335 and the
Canopy Cover LW-6EXT (Light Weight}at $185. Cost is not the issue. My
impression is that the the heay cover is designed to protect parked
airplanes and the light weight models are designed for travel. I plan to do
a lot of cross-country flying 12 months per year. This includes exposure to
snow and ice, desert sun, etc., a couple of weeks at a time. The light
weight cover may not measure up to the heavy duty use, but is the
"continuous duty" cover too heavy and too bulky for travelling - perhaps
50% of all flight hours. Will the Light Weight travel cover self-destruct
with winter trips in the north-east and Canada.
I would appreciate any experience or insight. Ernest Kells - RV/9A (testing
electricals / preparing for the final inspecton)
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
From: Louis Willig
Subject: RV-List: Something We Really Need
Hi gang,
Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
-
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
From: "David Leonard"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Something We Really Need
I'm with you, we really do need something (not really an entirely new idea
I'm sure). One problem is that my airport will not allow any kind of a tarp
or awning. Whatever it is would have to be entirely supported by the
aircraft itself...
I have been thinking about some sort of tarp that will cover the canopy area
supported by clamps on the wings or fuselage. But a reasonable design
escapes me.
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On 8/5/07, Louis Willig wrote:
>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
> hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
> Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
> have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
> one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
> temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
> do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
> acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
> moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
> weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
> marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
> of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
> easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
> companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
> aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
> the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
> fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
> Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
From: "Bayne"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Something We Really Need
The Plane Pocket may be a suitable alternative.
http://www.planepocket.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Willig"
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: RV-List: Something We Really Need
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of hangars for
> our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the Philadelphia area if you
> could even find one, I and several others have discussed tie down
> solutions. None of which are palatable. Any one who ties down his/her
> aircraft outside will have to find a temporary hangar in which to do
> repairs and maintenance. That's OK, do-able. But few of us live in a
> geographical area that is acceptable for long-term outside storage in
> terms of heat cold and moisture. I have recently spent some time in the
> almost perfect weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them
> only marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort of
> shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed easily, and
> would be acceptable to the airport and insurance companies (We don't want
> the thing blowing away and damaging other aircraft). Do any of you on this
> list have any ideas how to create the "Tie Down Hangar" I am
> conceptualizing? It would be worth a fortune to the person who can create
> and provide a secure "Tie Down Hangar" that the airport would find
> acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
> --
> 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM
>
>
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Subject: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments
From: john(at)jallenplace.com
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A=0AJack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating stroke
last year. It is apparent that he won=99t fly again. That=99s
a tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take over
his RV-4 project.=0A=0AHis wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is
currently located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
roughly equivalent to a Van=99s =9Cquickbuild=9D. There
is an O320-E2D first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There i
s also a radio and a number of instruments.=0A=0AMy thinking is that this w
ould be an excellent way for someone to walk into an RV4 project at a
=9Cquickbuild=9D level without having to separately acquire an eng
ine or tools. The project is at a point where the builder could legitimatel
y claim to be under the 51% rule and receive the benefits thereof.=0A=0AMy
guess is an appropriate price would be in the $25k range for the airframe,
instruments, kit, and tools. We would also be willing to entertain offers o
n the separate components, though we have no interest in separating the air
frame kit itself. =0A
=0AJack's work was quite meticulous.
=0A=0APictures of the project can be seen at http://picasaweb.google.com/ja
llenplace/RV4Parts =0A=0AYou can contact me to get additional information.:
=0A=0AJohn Allen=0A626.676-8987 cell=0Arvator(at)jallenplace.com=0A=0ABTW. Jac
k's hangar partner, John Morgensen, is available on site and on request to
show the kit to prospective buyers. John is an RV-9 builder.=0A=0ARegards,
=0A=0AJohn Allen=0ARV-6A=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Something We Really Need |
At 05:30 PM 8/6/2007, you wrote:
>
>How about the aerolift.
>
>Jeff
The aerolift fills some needs, but does solve the problem of having
no hangars available. Most people do not want to share a private
hangar with an aerolift.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Williams" <mr.gsun+rv-list(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cowl Intake plugs |
Tim, She said she'd make 'em for $80 plus shipping. Takes at least 3-4
hours depending on what lettering. Van's wants less but these would
personalized with your N#, name, city or whatever fits. They are heavy duty
red naugahyde with black nylon straps. No little flag sticking up like
Van's, though. Mine were made just a little big and they squish down
slightly for a snug, birdproof fit. If interested, send an offline email
address and she'll figure out letters & colors. Greg
On 8/4/07, Tim Bryan wrote:
>
> Would she make some for me? Pretty please J
>
> Tim
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Williams
> *Sent:* Friday, August 03, 2007 8:57 PM
> *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Cowl Intake plugs
>
>
> Tim,
> Van's makes a set, I'm sure you know. My wife has started making them on
> her new embroidery/sewing machine. The ones for my RV-7 have our N-number
> on one plug and our names on the other side. Pretty neat. We were going to
> make and sell them at Arlington and but had too much fun at the airshow.
> Greg
>
> On 7/31/07, *Tim Bryan* wrote:
>
> While at Oshkosh I saw several RV's with red plugs that go in the cowl
> intakes. Where can a person get these for an RV-6?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim
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| From: | "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips |
Lowest altitude route would be to follow the Interstate toward Southern
California through northern New Mexico and Northern Arizona. When you get
to California, I would navigate south of Twenty Nine Palms (TNP) Restricted
(R-2501E & W) toward Bakersfield remaining south of the Edwards Restricted
(R-2515) area then GPS direct to your destination. (TNP-PMD-EHF or KBFL)
Can do this route without going over 8500.
KBGD (Borger, TX) has two cars, $15 / night hangar, several hotels and
reasonable fuel price.
KSJN (St. John, AZ) also is LOW price fuel but NO nearby hotel that I know
of.
L35 (Big Bear, CA) is in the mountains (6,752 MSL) of SoCAL but typically
has cheap fuel. ($3.89 on 30 July) It is nice to stop for gas at higher
airports to save fuel and time climbing back to altitude.
I use http://www.airnav.com/plan/fuel/ to plan low cost fuel stops.
GPS direct would take you north of Las Vegas NV and put you over some
mountains getting into California. (11,000 peak near Mono Lake)
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,050 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
----Original Message Follows----
From: d wntzl <dwntzl(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:07:02 -0700 (PDT)
Greetings,
I am planning a trip from Apalachicola FL to Fairfax CA later this
month and am looking for tips as to routing and or stopovers. I'd rather not
contend with any more mountain flying than necessary since I am a
flatlander!
Also, is anyone familar with either Gnoss Field (DVO Novato), or San
Rafael (CA35)? San Rafale would be closer and more convenient to Fairfax,
but it is private. I'll probably be staying in the area for about a week.
Tips, comments, insight, advice all welcome.
Thanks in advance
David Wentzell N233DW Port St. Joe, FL
RV6, 200+ Hrs
_________________________________________________________________
A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here.
http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips |
Dave, I used to work across the street from San Rafeal and flew to
work once or twice.The runway is very narrow, and usually in poor
repair. I moved from the area 4-5 years ago, the residents have been
trying to get it closed. At the time there wasn't any provision for
transient parking, there were no services and no fuel. Gnoss (DVO) is
about 8-9 mile north (freeway) and has all of the services you would
need/expect. The approach to the No. runway is over some hills, and
there is a large radio tower in the vicinity, so use caution if
visibility is limited. while you're out there, be sure to make the
'loop' i.e. take off from Gnoss/San Rafael, go northwest towards
Bodega Bay, then follow the coast line south either reaching out to
Point Reyes, or following Tomales bay (San Andreas Fault) and continue
down the coast to the Golden Gate cross over the Golden Gate view San
Francisco off your left, Alcatraz below and then turn north east and
head up towards Sausalito and San Rafael. If the weather is good , it's
some of the best scenery in the country. I used to take out of towners
for the same trip when we lived there.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
d wntzl wrote:
> Greetings,
> I am planning a trip from Apalachicola FL to Fairfax CA later this
> month and am looking for tips as to routing and or stopovers. I'd
> rather not contend with any more mountain flying than necessary since
> I am a flatlander!
> Also, is anyone familar with either Gnoss Field (DVO Novato), or
> San Rafael (CA35)? San Rafale would be closer and more convenient to
> Fairfax, but it is private. I'll probably be staying in the area for
> about a week.
> Tips, comments, insight, advice all welcome.
> Thanks in advance
> David Wentzell N233DW Port St. Joe, FL
> RV6, 200+ Hrs
>
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> Total Messages Posted Sun 08/05/07: 6
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> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 05:50 AM - Re: Need source for rivet (Tim Lewis)
> 2. 07:46 AM - Re: Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or
> Light Weight (Paul Besing)
> 3. 08:11 AM - Something We Really Need (Louis Willig)
> 4. 12:21 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (David Leonard)
> 5. 12:46 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (Bayne)
> 6. 04:42 PM - FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools,
> instruments (john(at)jallenplace.com)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Tim Lewis
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Need source for rivet
>
>
> Depending on the application, a 1/4" round head steel screw and nyloc
> nut might be an easier solution. The screw will be stronger than an
> aluminum rivet, and it won't require a compatible rivet set like the
> AN470AD8 will.
>
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs
> RV-10 #40059 under construction
>
>
> Travis Hamblen wrote:
> >
> > I am looking for 10 either AN470AD8 or MS20470AD8 rivets (two
> > different part numbers for the same rivet). I realize this rivet is
> > REALLY wide for our typical application, but I have a specific need
> > and just can not find a source for the rivet! The length is
> > unimportant, as I can cut them down to the size I need. If you have
> > any information as to where I can get these PLEASE e-mail me! Did I
> > mention that once I have these bad boys squeezed into the holes
> they
> > will be filling, the plane will be signed off and first flight
> will be
> > made!! By the way, ACS and the usual sources stop at AD6 rivets!
> >
> > Travis
> > TravisHamblen(at)gmail.com
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Paul Besing
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or
> Light Weight
>
> I would personally never use a canopy cover for extended periods
> of time. Over
> night maybe, as long as you aren't in a dusty environment. Any
> dirt under the
> cover and when the wind blows, and all of a sudden you have
> microscratches all
> over your canopy. I would consider an internal cover of some sort,
> not an
> external one.
>
> Paul Besing
>
> Ernie & Margo wrote:
>
> Would someone with experience in using both the heavy canopy cover
> and the
> light cover like to comment on their performance.
>
> I am considering the Canopy Cover RV-9/9A (continuous duty) at
> $335 and the
> Canopy Cover LW-6EXT (Light Weight}at $185. Cost is not the issue. My
> impression is that the the heay cover is designed to protect parked
> airplanes and the light weight models are designed for travel. I
> plan to do
> a lot of cross-country flying 12 months per year. This includes
> exposure to
> snow and ice, desert sun, etc., a couple of weeks at a time. The
> light
> weight cover may not measure up to the heavy duty use, but is the
> "continuous duty" cover too heavy and too bulky for travelling -
> perhaps
> 50% of all flight hours. Will the Light Weight travel cover
> self-destruct
> with winter trips in the north-east and Canada.
>
> I would appreciate any experience or insight. Ernest Kells - RV/9A
> (testing
> electricals / preparing for the final inspecton)
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
> web links.
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Louis Willig
> Subject: RV-List: Something We Really Need
>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
> hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
> Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
> have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
> one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
> temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
> do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
> acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
> moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
> weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
> marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
> of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
> easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
> companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
> aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
> the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
> fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
> Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "David Leonard"
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Something We Really Need
>
> I'm with you, we really do need something (not really an entirely
> new idea
> I'm sure). One problem is that my airport will not allow any kind
> of a tarp
> or awning. Whatever it is would have to be entirely supported by the
> aircraft itself...
>
> I have been thinking about some sort of tarp that will cover the
> canopy area
> supported by clamps on the wings or fuselage. But a reasonable design
> escapes me.
>
> --
> David Leonard
>
> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
> http://RotaryRoster.net
>
>
> On 8/5/07, Louis Willig wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi gang,
> >
> > Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
> > hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
> > Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
> > have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
> > one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
> > temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
> > do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
> > acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
> > moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
> > weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
> > marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
> >
> > What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
> > of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
> > easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
> > companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
> > aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
> > the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
> > fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
> > Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Louis I Willig
> > 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> > Penn Valley, PA 19072
> > 610 668-4964
> > RV-4, N180PF
> > 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Bayne"
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Something We Really Need
>
>
> The Plane Pocket may be a suitable alternative.
> http://www.planepocket.com/
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Louis Willig"
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:10 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Something We Really Need
>
>
> >
> > Hi gang,
> >
> > Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
> hangars for
> > our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the Philadelphia area
> if you
> > could even find one, I and several others have discussed tie down
> > solutions. None of which are palatable. Any one who ties down
> his/her
> > aircraft outside will have to find a temporary hangar in which
> to do
> > repairs and maintenance. That's OK, do-able. But few of us live
> in a
> > geographical area that is acceptable for long-term outside
> storage in
> > terms of heat cold and moisture. I have recently spent some time
> in the
> > almost perfect weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still
> find them
> > only marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
> >
> > What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some
> sort of
> > shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
> easily, and
> > would be acceptable to the airport and insurance companies (We
> don't want
> > the thing blowing away and damaging other aircraft). Do any of
> you on this
> > list have any ideas how to create the "Tie Down Hangar" I am
> > conceptualizing? It would be worth a fortune to the person who
> can create
> > and provide a secure "Tie Down Hangar" that the airport would find
> > acceptable.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Louis I Willig
> > 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> > Penn Valley, PA 19072
> > 610 668-4964
> > RV-4, N180PF
> > 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
> >
> >
> > --
> > 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine,
> tools, instruments
> From: john(at)jallenplace.com
>
> =0A
> =0A
> =0A
> =0A=0AJack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a
> debilitating stroke
> last year. It is apparent that he won=99t fly again. That=99s
> a tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to
> take over
> his RV-4 project.=0A=0AHis wife has asked me to help sell the -4,
> which is
> currently located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is
> in a stage
> roughly equivalent to a Van=99s =9Cquickbuild=9D. There
> is an O320-E2D first run engine core with accessories and
> logbooks. There i
> s also a radio and a number of instruments.=0A=0AMy thinking is
> that this w
> ould be an excellent way for someone to walk into an RV4 project at a
> =9Cquickbuild=9D level without having to separately acquire an eng
> ine or tools. The project is at a point where the builder could
> legitimatel
> y claim to be under the 51% rule and receive the benefits
> thereof.=0A=0AMy
> guess is an appropriate price would be in the $25k range for the
> airframe,
> instruments, kit, and tools. We would also be willing to entertain
> offers o
> n the separate components, though we have no interest in
> separating the air
> frame kit itself. =0A
> =0AJack's work was quite meticulous.
> =0A=0APictures of the project can be seen at
> http://picasaweb.google.com/ja
> llenplace/RV4Parts =0A=0AYou can contact me to get additional that
> gives answers, not web links.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Priming steel nose gear leg |
I got my modified nose gear leg back today and noticed some rust.
So I will clean that up and need to protect it. After spending about
30 minutes in the archives I am not certain of an acceptable approach.
I have GBP 988 spray cans but some posts suggest that it has to be
covered with something else.
Is that correct and if so any recommendations on commonly available
final coating products.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Burton" <d-burton(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips |
Hi David,
Gnoss is a great airport with lots of interesting airplanes. The area is
great and well worth stopping by. There's a fun winery with a huge
selection of other products as well just up the hill. A nature preserve is
located next to the airport. The winds can be "interesting". If the
conditions allow landing I'd recommend it. It's not located very close to
anything though. You'll definitely need a car. I'd be sure to check that
you can obtain one once you land.
Dave
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of d wntzl
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: RV-List: Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips
Greetings,
I am planning a trip from Apalachicola FL to Fairfax CA later this month
and am looking for tips as to routing and or stopovers. I'd rather not
contend with any more mountain flying than necessary since I am a
flatlander!
Also, is anyone familar with either Gnoss Field (DVO Novato), or San
Rafael (CA35)? San Rafale would be closer and more convenient to Fairfax,
but it is private. I'll probably be staying in the area for about a week.
Tips, comments, insight, advice all welcome.
Thanks in advance
David Wentzell N233DW Port St. Joe, FL
RV6, 200+ Hrs
RV-List Digest Server wrote:
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1. 05:50 AM - Re: Need source for rivet (Tim Lewis)
2. 07:46 AM - Re: Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or Light Weight
(Paul Besing)
3. 08:11 AM - Something We Really Need (Louis Willig)
4. 12:21 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (David Leonard)
5. 12:46 PM - Re: Something We Really Need (Bayne)
6. 04:42 PM - FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools, instruments
(john(at)jallenplace.com)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
From: Tim Lewis
Subject: Re: RV-List: Need source for rivet
Depending on the application, a 1/4" round head steel screw and nyloc
nut might be an easier solution. The screw will be stronger than an
aluminum rivet, and it won't require a compatible rivet set like the
AN470AD8 will.
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
Travis Hamblen wrote:
>
> I am looking for 10 either AN470AD8 or MS20470AD8 rivets (two
> different part numbers for the same rivet). I realize this rivet is
> REALLY wide for our typical application, but I have a specific need
> and just can not find a source for the rivet! The length is
> unimportant, as I can cut them down to the size I need. If you have
> any information as to where I can get these PLEASE e-mail me! Did I
> mention that once I have these bad boys squeezed into the holes they
> will be filling, the plane will be signed off and first flight will be
> made!! By the way, ACS and the usual sources stop at AD6 rivets!
>
> Travis
> TravisHamblen(at)gmail.com
>
>
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
From: Paul Besing
Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy Covers - Choice of Continuos use - or Light
Weight
I would personally never use a canopy cover for extended periods of time.
Over
night maybe, as long as you aren't in a dusty environment. Any dirt under
the
cover and when the wind blows, and all of a sudden you have microscratches
all
over your canopy. I would consider an internal cover of some sort, not an
external one.
Paul Besing
Ernie & Margo wrote:
Would someone with experience in using both the heavy canopy cover and the
light cover like to comment on their performance.
I am considering the Canopy Cover RV-9/9A (continuous duty) at $335 and the
Canopy Cover LW-6EXT (Light Weight}at $185. Cost is not the issue. My
impression is that the the heay cover is designed to protect parked
airplanes and the light weight models are designed for travel. I plan to do
a lot of cross-country flying 12 months per year. This includes exposure to
snow and ice, desert sun, etc., a couple of weeks at a time. The light
weight cover may not measure up to the heavy duty use, but is the
"continuous duty" cover too heavy and too bulky for travelling - perhaps
50% of all flight hours. Will the Light Weight travel cover self-destruct
with winter trips in the north-east and Canada.
I would appreciate any experience or insight. Ernest Kells - RV/9A (testing
electricals / preparing for the final inspecton)
---------------------------------
Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
From: Louis Willig
Subject: RV-List: Something We Really Need
Hi gang,
Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
-
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
From: "David Leonard"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Something We Really Need
I'm with you, we really do need something (not really an entirely new idea
I'm sure). One problem is that my airport will not allow any kind of a tarp
or awning. Whatever it is would have to be entirely supported by the
aircraft itself...
I have been thinking about some sort of tarp that will cover the canopy area
supported by clamps on the wings or fuselage. But a reasonable design
escapes me.
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On 8/5/07, Louis Willig wrote:
>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of
> hangars for our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the
> Philadelphia area if you could even find one, I and several others
> have discussed tie down solutions. None of which are palatable. Any
> one who ties down his/her aircraft outside will have to find a
> temporary hangar in which to do repairs and maintenance. That's OK,
> do-able. But few of us live in a geographical area that is
> acceptable for long-term outside storage in terms of heat cold and
> moisture. I have recently spent some time in the almost perfect
> weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them only
> marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort
> of shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed
> easily, and would be acceptable to the airport and insurance
> companies (We don't want the thing blowing away and damaging other
> aircraft). Do any of you on this list have any ideas how to create
> the "Tie Down Hangar" I am conceptualizing? It would be worth a
> fortune to the person who can create and provide a secure "Tie Down
> Hangar" that the airport would find acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
From: "Bayne"
Subject: Re: RV-List: Something We Really Need
The Plane Pocket may be a suitable alternative.
http://www.planepocket.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Willig"
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: RV-List: Something We Really Need
>
> Hi gang,
>
> Many of us have problems with the expense, and availability of hangars for
> our RV's. At over $400/month for a "T" in the Philadelphia area if you
> could even find one, I and several others have discussed tie down
> solutions. None of which are palatable. Any one who ties down his/her
> aircraft outside will have to find a temporary hangar in which to do
> repairs and maintenance. That's OK, do-able. But few of us live in a
> geographical area that is acceptable for long-term outside storage in
> terms of heat cold and moisture. I have recently spent some time in the
> almost perfect weather of Albuquerque and Santa Fe, and still find them
> only marginal for long term outside storage of an RV.
>
> What many of us really need is a solution that consists of some sort of
> shell that covers and protects our aircraft, can be removed easily, and
> would be acceptable to the airport and insurance companies (We don't want
> the thing blowing away and damaging other aircraft). Do any of you on this
> list have any ideas how to create the "Tie Down Hangar" I am
> conceptualizing? It would be worth a fortune to the person who can create
> and provide a secure "Tie Down Hangar" that the airport would find
> acceptable.
>
>
> -
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
>
>
> --
> 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 2:42 PM
>
>
________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
Subject: RV-List: FW: RV4 Project for sale, including engine, tools,
instruments
From: john(at)jallenplace.com
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A=0AJack Gageby, a long time RV-4 builder, suffered a debilitating stroke
last year. It is apparent that he won=99t fly again. That=99s
a tough break for Jack, but leaves an opportunity for someone to take over
his RV-4 project.=0A=0AHis wife has asked me to help sell the -4, which is
currently located at Fallon (FLX) near Reno, NV. The airframe is in a stage
roughly equivalent to a Van=99s =9Cquickbuild=9D. There
is an O320-E2D first run engine core with accessories and logbooks. There i
s also a radio and a number of instruments.=0A=0AMy thinking is that this w
ould be an excellent way for someone to walk into an RV4 project at a
=9Cquickbuild=9D level without having to separately acquire an eng
ine or tools. The project is at a point where the builder could legitimatel
y claim to be under the 51% rule and receive the benefits thereof.=0A=0AMy
guess is an appropriate price would be in the $25k range for the airframe,
instruments, kit, and tools. We would also be willing to entertain offers o
n the separate components, though we have no interest in separating the air
frame kit itself. =0A
=0AJack's work was quite meticulous.
=0A=0APictures of the project can be seen at http://picasaweb.google.com/ja
llenplace/RV4Parts =0A=0AYou can contact me to get additional that gives
answers, not web links.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Priming steel nose gear leg |
Ron,
I would recommend a two part epoxy over the GBP 988 primer. The 988 is
not formulated to be a final finish but will provide a good base for the
epoxy.
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Lee
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:49 PM
Subject: RV-List: Priming steel nose gear leg
I got my modified nose gear leg back today and noticed some rust.
So I will clean that up and need to protect it. After spending about
30 minutes in the archives I am not certain of an acceptable approach.
I have GBP 988 spray cans but some posts suggest that it has to be
covered with something else.
Is that correct and if so any recommendations on commonly available
final coating products.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Leland & Anne" <Federigo(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips |
David, St Johns (SJN) in eastern Arizona has the cheapest fuel ($3.67), a
friendly staff and free courtesy cars, with a dashboard sticker reading "Use
overdrive in high-speed pursuit". The two motels in St Johns are minimalist.
Tehachapi (TSP) has $3.99 fuel, and you can remain at low altitude while
flying over the Tehachapi pass to the north. The Apple Shed restaurant is a
short walk from the airport and has really good food. Next cheapest gas
going north is Gustine.
On the way to St Johns, consider stopping at Granbury, Texas (GDJ) for $5
hangar parking with $4 fuel and a courtesy car (and a big bunch of
experimentals). Natchitoches in Louisiana has courtesy cars, several neat
B&B's, and an old and fascinating city center. Hattiesburg, Mississippi
(HBG) is pricey but has good service, including $80 oxygen refils.
Take off at first light to avoid mid-day thunderstorms. I just came over
that route last weekend and dodging the buildups was challenging.
Leland
RV9A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill VonDane <bill(at)vondane.com> |
| Subject: | Infinity stick grips |
Anyone else pull their hair out trying to find anything on the infinity
web site?
I could use a wiring diagram for the infinity stick grips if anyone has
it...
Thanks!
-Bill
bill(at)vondane.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tailgummer(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Infinity stick grips |
Don't know if the pdf attachments will go through. All of the information is
on the website, though. Once you go through the diagrams it all begins to
make sense. If you can't get these, mail me off line.
Love this grip!!
John D'Onofrio RV8 N585JD
(_Tailgummer(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Tailgummer(at)aol.com) )
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| From: | Ed <bicyclop(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Infinity stick grips |
Bill VonDane wrote:
>
> Anyone else pull their hair out trying to find anything on the
> infinity web site?
>
> I could use a wiring diagram for the infinity stick grips if anyone
> has it...
>
> Thanks!
> -Bill
> bill(at)vondane.com
>
>
/http://www.infinityaerospace.com/gripwire.pdf
It's not a diagram, but it does show all the possible switch
configurations and wire colors. You can easily verify the wires to the
correct switches with an ohmmeter. I printed it out and highlighted the
switches and wire colors for easy ID.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
/
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity stick grips |
| From: | cbrxxdrv(at)aol.com |
They are made to order and should come with a diagram. Get out your ohm meter
and do a little testing and it will all make sense. Some of the switches are momentary,
some are normally open some are flap switches some are....well you get
the idea. If you contact
them you may find he has a record of it and can send/fax you a copy.
Sal
N898SC RV8 Done
Lakeland FL
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill VonDane <bill(at)vondane.com>
Sent: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:11 pm
Subject: RV-List: Infinity stick grips
?
Anyone else pull their hair out trying to find anything on the infinity
web site??
?
I could use a wiring diagram for the infinity stick grips if anyone has
it...?
?
Thanks!?
-Bill?
bill(at)vondane.com?
?
?
?
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Bell" <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com> |
| Subject: | Infinity stick grips |
How much are these now and who handle them?
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tailgummer(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Infinity stick grips
Don't know if the pdf attachments will go through. All of the information is
on the website, though. Once you go through the diagrams it all begins to
make sense. If you can't get these, mail me off line.
Love this grip!!
John D'Onofrio RV8 N585JD
(Tailgummer(at)aol.com)
AOL.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Terry Mortimore <terry.mortimore(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Float fittings, Eustace Bowhay's products still available?? |
Hi Gang:
As my fuselage comes out of the jig I'm wondering if I should install float
fittings that would allow float installation down the road. I have no
immediate plans for float flying, I just thought that that now would be the
best time to install them.
I'm wondering if Eustace Bowhays conversion kit is still available? Any body
out there know? Who would I get a hold of?
I also noticed Trey Johnson's float equipped RV-7 in the latest RVator,
anyone know how he went about mounting the floats? Better yet any one have
his email address?
Thanks for the help, Terry.
Terry Mortimore
426 McNabb Street Apt#4
Sault Ste Marie, Ontario
P6B 1Z3
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
I am about to wire the tail light/strobe on the bottom of the rudder.
What is the best direction to run the wires out of the rudder and into
the back of the fuselage. I am inclined to run it out the bottom of the
rudder (maybe 1/2" up) and upward a bit (about 2-1/2") and then into the
back of the fuselage. This will allow for the twisting of the wires
during the usage of the rudder and minimize the stress on the wires in
between the vertical stabilizer and the rudder. Or should I run a loop
going upward and then back down and into the rudder and fuselage.
/\ staying away from the bottom rod end. I can also cover the
wire with the
__/ \__
spiral wrap to protect the cable from abrasion. Any help would be
appreciated.
Jim
RV9-A
N15JN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
| Subject: | OAT & CAT Probes |
Does anyone know what OAT and CAT probes work with the VM1000 besides the
ones they make themselves? Looking for something more economical than $ 165
each.
Thanks
Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Infinity stick grips |
| From: | cbrxxdrv(at)aol.com |
www.infinityaerospace.com
Sal
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Bell <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com>
Sent: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 3:25 pm
Subject: RE: RV-List: Infinity stick grips
How much are these now and who handle
them?
?
From:
owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tailgummer(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007
12:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Infinity
stick grips
?
Don't know if the pdf attachments will go through.?All
of the information is on the website, though.? Once you go through the
diagrams it all begins to make sense.? If you can't get these, mail me off
line.
? Love this grip!!
? John D'Onofrio RV8 N585JD
?(Tailgummer(at)aol.com)
AOL.com.
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Infinity stick grips |
| From: | "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com> |
The basic grip went from $150 to $175 recently. The seller had not
raised his pricing in 10 years.
One has to consider adding additional cable and any other custom item
but of the 4 units I have ordered they all came in at just over the base
price.
Rather than using his online or fax order system I always call. It
simplifies all the research required to order exactly what you need
(spacers etc...)
I am very happy with my Infinity grips.
Robin
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] Ontom Behalf Of Carl Bell
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 12:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Infinity stick grips
How much are these now and who handle them?
________________________________
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Tailgummer(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Infinity stick grips
Don't know if the pdf attachments will go through. All of the
information is on the website, though. Once you go through the diagrams
it all begins to make sense. If you can't get these, mail me off line.
Love this grip!!
John D'Onofrio RV8 N585JD
(Tailgummer(at)aol.com)
AOL.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Gill" <wgill10(at)comcast.net> |
Hello Jim,
Attached are photos of how I accomplished this task -- not the
prettiest, but effective. The slot on the rudder butt allows the wires
to stay put without bending stresses when the rudder is exercised. There
is about 3 layers of heat shrink protection over the wires should
excessive rubbing occur, which I will monitor. In a "static" condition,
there is little if any contact with the wires.
Bill Gill
RV-7 FWF & finishing
Lee's Summit, Missouri
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James H Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:03 PM
Subject: RV-List: Rudder wiring?
I am about to wire the tail light/strobe on the bottom of the rudder.
What is the best direction to run the wires out of the rudder and into
the back of the fuselage. I am inclined to run it out the bottom of the
rudder (maybe 1/2" up) and upward a bit (about 2-1/2") and then into the
back of the fuselage. This will allow for the twisting of the wires
during the usage of the rudder and minimize the stress on the wires in
between the vertical stabilizer and the rudder. Or should I run a loop
going upward and then back down and into the rudder and fuselage.
/\ staying away from the bottom rod end. I can also cover the
wire with the
__/ \__
spiral wrap to protect the cable from abrasion. Any help would be
appreciated.
Jim
RV9-A
N15JN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ken Arnold" <arno7452(at)bellsouth.net> |
The new web site: http://sport.aero/specifications.html
Ken CH701 N701LK 70%
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Burton" <d-burton(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Float fittings, Eustace Bowhay's products still available?? |
Eustace worked with these folks while developing his float set-up:
http://www.czechsportplanes.com/FLOATS.htm
Probably a good place to start...
Good luck,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Mortimore
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: RV-List: Float fittings, Eustace Bowhay's products still
available??
Hi Gang:
As my fuselage comes out of the jig I'm wondering if I should install float
fittings that would allow float installation down the road. I have no
immediate plans for float flying, I just thought that that now would be the
best time to install them.
I'm wondering if Eustace Bowhays conversion kit is still available? Any body
out there know? Who would I get a hold of?
I also noticed Trey Johnson's float equipped RV-7 in the latest RVator,
anyone know how he went about mounting the floats? Better yet any one have
his email address?
Thanks for the help, Terry.
Terry Mortimore
426 McNabb Street Apt#4
Sault Ste Marie, Ontario
P6B 1Z3
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster(at)flion.com> |
I was going to put a connector there, until I realized that it would just be
a flex point. I ended up drilling an opening between the tie-down mount and
the bottom hinge and using a grommet. The wire continues down into the
bottom fairing and there's a fair service loop so I can make the attachment
to the Whelen assembly outside the rear of the mount. Once in place,
there's little movement of the wire at the front of the rudder. I still
intend to install some rubber material, left over from the fairings below
the horizontal stabilizer, into the opening in the rudder leading edge. The
idea another person had of using heat-shrink tubing as anti-chafe protection
is excellent; you could also use some of the nylon woven tubing used in
bundling wires and hold it in place with a little heat-shrink. I don't
think the nylon would wear through and it would look very custom.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - still waiting on panel
(Aerotronics is nearly done, ahead of schedule, and it looks great!)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James H Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:03 PM
Subject: RV-List: Rudder wiring?
I am about to wire the tail light/strobe on the bottom of the rudder.
What is the best direction to run the wires out of the rudder and into
the back of the fuselage. I am inclined to run it out the bottom of the
rudder (maybe 1/2" up) and upward a bit (about 2-1/2") and then into the
back of the fuselage. This will allow for the twisting of the wires
during the usage of the rudder and minimize the stress on the wires in
between the vertical stabilizer and the rudder. Or should I run a loop
going upward and then back down and into the rudder and fuselage.
/\ staying away from the bottom rod end. I can also cover the
wire with the
__/ \__
spiral wrap to protect the cable from abrasion. Any help would be
appreciated.
Jim
RV9-A
N15JN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fiveonepw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder wiring? |
In a message dated 8/7/2007 3:07:49 PM Central Daylight Time, rv9jim(at)juno.com
writes:
What is the best direction to run the wires out of the rudder and into
the back of the fuselage.
>>>
May not be the best, but this has worked well for almost 450 hours for me so
far...
_http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5415_
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| From: | Fiveonepw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Infinity stick grips |
In a message dated 8/7/2007 4:17:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
robin1(at)mrmoisture.com writes:
One has to consider adding additional cable and any other custom item but of
the 4 units I have ordered they all came in at just over the base price.
I highly recommend ordering a lot of extra cable length- I ordered direct
from ACS and the cable length was pretty skimpy. Probably better to get direct
from Infinity. Also be very cognizant of which pushbuttons are included, such
as momentary or on-off-on...
Mark
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| From: | "Charles Heathco" <cheathco(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | 2 part engine question |
I have a low time O-320 150 hp that I installed last yr. Flying late Mon
eve low and fast, ( rv6a) I saw my oil temp creep up to 220. It tends to
run hotter than theold engine but I would like some inout on what temp
is considered on the edge of too hot? Part 2- I have been interested in
an engine monitor, but panel is full and only option would be to hang it
someplace. I like the size and what looks like very good unit for the
money, the little Grand Rapids 4 cyl EIS. Is anyone using this unit, or
are familiar with it? Charlie Heathco, (FYV)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
Hi Mark,
Did you run the cable into the rudder by expanding the opening
for the bottom rod end? Thus letting the cable just "drop" into the
lower area or did you use a grommet in the rudder to get it into the
lower area?
Jim Nelson
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | 2 part engine question |
| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
Charlie,
The GRT EIS system is great. I'm on my second build and would
not be with out it. The key thing is the parameters you set up that will
cause the alarm light to illuminate. Thus you can see when things are
becoming a problem. Have you considered installing the low oil sensor
in the case?. Since our Lycoming use oil, and we don't know how fast,
I've installed one to alert me when the level reaches (in my case) 3.2
quarts. Aircraft Extras.com has the unit. Its cheep and will give me
peace of mind. At least I will have a short time to find a place to land
instead of a panic when everything goes south - rising temps and oil
pressure going down for lack of oil in the system. I'm just a little
paranoid. My Rotax 912 never used any oil so it was a non-issue.
Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | michael(at)robbins.us.com |
Trey Johnson?s email address is N67683(at)gmail.com. I?m not sure he
wants it made public, but he seemed OK giving it to me at the NWEAA
fly in Arlington, WA (I didn?t see you there Dave), so there it is. I
emailed him about two weeks ago as I?m considering putting floats on
my RV-8, but he never responded. His airplane is based at Renton, WA,
about 20 miles from where I am. His floats were made by Clamar Floats
(clamarfloats.com) in London, Ontario (in your backyard Terry) and run
about $30k USD. Not cheap, but they are beautiful floats. I talked
to Claire Sceli, the owner, and he said he makes all the fittings and
can make them for an 8. The floats were installed by Synergy Air in
Eugene, OR (synergyair.com). I also talked to Wally, the owner, and
would have him work up an installation for me if I decide to do this.
There are issues with limited elevator authority that they (Trey and
Wally) are still working on. I?ve decided that my next project is a
float plane, so if I don?t do this to the 8 I may sell it and buy a
RANS S7 and put it on floats. I lot cheaper with money left over.
Mike Robbins
RV-8 N88MJ
Sammamish, WA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
Hi Bill,
I like that idea. It looks nice and the wiring looks to be well
protected. I think that I may do it that way. I will make a bit of a
"ramp" / flat surface for the wiring to ride on. That would give the
sleeved wiring a smooth surface if it touches the fiberglass. It will
just take a few more days (again) to do it.
Jim Nelson
95% done and 15% to go
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Gill" <wgill10(at)comcast.net> |
Jim,
The "ramp" you mention is exactly what I did. I applied several layers
of fiberglass and filler to yield about 3/8" lip inside the slot on the
rudder butt. The tail wheel spring mount certainly limits one's options
in this area.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James H Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: RV-List: Rudder wiring
Hi Bill,
I like that idea. It looks nice and the wiring looks to be well
protected. I think that I may do it that way. I will make a bit of a
"ramp" / flat surface for the wiring to ride on. That would give the
sleeved wiring a smooth surface if it touches the fiberglass. It will
just take a few more days (again) to do it.
Jim Nelson
95% done and 15% to go
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Seeking RV6 Cross Country routing tips |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)pacbell.net> |
I like I80 route over the Rockies. The southern route is too hot this time of year.
Depart Ft. Collins CO go north to intersect I80 and just follow it to the
bay area. Max alt is 9500 ft. Do your flying before noon and it is not too bad
, but you alway get beat up over Wyoming.
Watch to MOA's in NV, but there is a VRF corridor near Fallon. In So Cal the Edwards
AF Base folks shaft you every time with their mega blocks of restricted
air space that you cannot go thru. But then again they are protecting our butts.
Gotta go to Gnoss or Oakland. San Rafael is private. Good stops are Ft Collins,
Ft. Bridger, Ogden or Salt Lake City, Wendover, Reno (Jet West) and Truckee (5900')
Oxygen is good (higher cooler faster) but you can live without it for one trip.
I like to get high and cool
--------
OSH '08 or Bust
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128221#128221
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| From: | Fiveonepw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder wiring? |
In a message dated 8/8/2007 8:12:31 AM Central Daylight Time, rv9jim(at)juno.com
writes:
Did you run the cable into the rudder by expanding the opening
for the bottom rod end? Thus letting the cable just "drop" into the
lower area or did you use a grommet in the rudder to get it into the
lower area?
Hi Jim-
The wiring exits the fuse through a grommet in the VS spar. I cut a slot
side to side in the rudder bottom that the wires pass through just wide enough
to
clear them when the rudder moves to each stop. There is maybe 1/2" of glass
between the top of the slot to the opening for the lower rod end cutout. The
wires just drop down into the rudder bottom and go aft with enough extra
length for a "service loop" to allow the strobe/taillight to be removed to expose
the wires for disconnection via an AMP connector on a short pigtail from it.
Feel free to contact me off-list if ya'd like a better description...
Mark
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| From: | "Reginald C. Smith, Sr." <smirdrv(at)hotmail.com> |
Does anyone know how much time is saved by purchasing a Quick-Build Fuselage
Kit in place of the standard fuselage kit for a 6A? Is it worth the
additional 5K? It was also suggested that that option could save as much as
a year of building. Since most of you have passed this way already, your
opinions will be valued greatly. So, what were your experiences?
Thanks.
_________________________________________________________________
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| From: | "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Time or Money |
I would estimate that the QB fuse would save about 300 hours. Could be
more, could be less, depending on building pace.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Reginald C. Smith, Sr." <smirdrv(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:42 AM
Subject: RV-List: Time or Money
>
>
> Does anyone know how much time is saved by purchasing a Quick-Build
> Fuselage Kit in place of the standard fuselage kit for a 6A? Is it worth
> the additional 5K? It was also suggested that that option could save as
> much as a year of building. Since most of you have passed this way
> already, your opinions will be valued greatly. So, what were your
> experiences?
>
> Thanks.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel.
> http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Time or Money |
The Vans estimate is on the website.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Reginald C. Smith, Sr." <smirdrv(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:42 PM
Subject: RV-List: Time or Money
>
>
> Does anyone know how much time is saved by purchasing a Quick-Build
> Fuselage Kit in place of the standard fuselage kit for a 6A? Is it worth
> the additional 5K? It was also suggested that that option could save as
> much as a year of building. Since most of you have passed this way
> already, your opinions will be valued greatly. So, what were your
> experiences?
>
> Thanks.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
For me the fuse was the most fun to build (minus the canopy) and came up
quite quickly. If I had it to do over, the fuse would definitely not be a
quick build. The wings on the other hand were slow and tedious then there
were two of them. I would order quick build wings and do the fuse myself.
The part of the fuse that went slow came after what is done by a quick build
option. Really it boils down to your preference or money Ron. For me the
fuse was the most fun part of the entire project.
Tim (If you were near me I would even help so I could do it again)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Reginald C. Smith, Sr.
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:43 AM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Time or Money
>
>
>
> Does anyone know how much time is saved by purchasing a Quick-Build
> Fuselage
> Kit in place of the standard fuselage kit for a 6A? Is it worth the
> additional 5K? It was also suggested that that option could save as much
> as
> a year of building. Since most of you have passed this way already, your
> opinions will be valued greatly. So, what were your experiences?
>
> Thanks.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel.
> http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Reginald C. Smith, Sr." <smirdrv(at)hotmail.com> |
Second question: I have read in the past where builders "Pass-on" their Fuse
Jigs(sell, trade, free if you pick it up). Does anyone have one they know is
straight that is available (So. Cal. area)?
>From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Time or Money
>Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:47:24 -0500
>
>
>For me the fuse was the most fun to build (minus the canopy) and came up
>quite quickly. If I had it to do over, the fuse would definitely not be a
>quick build. The wings on the other hand were slow and tedious then there
>were two of them. I would order quick build wings and do the fuse myself.
>
>The part of the fuse that went slow came after what is done by a quick
>build
>option. Really it boils down to your preference or money Ron. For me the
>fuse was the most fun part of the entire project.
>Tim (If you were near me I would even help so I could do it again)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Reginald C. Smith, Sr.
> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:43 AM
> > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Time or Money
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know how much time is saved by purchasing a Quick-Build
> > Fuselage
> > Kit in place of the standard fuselage kit for a 6A? Is it worth the
> > additional 5K? It was also suggested that that option could save as
>much
> > as
> > a year of building. Since most of you have passed this way already,
>your
> > opinions will be valued greatly. So, what were your experiences?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN
>Travel.
> > http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
Hi Bill,
I fortunately or unfortunately as one may feel, do not have that
problem. This time I will own a plane with the weeney wheel up front.
My past four planes had all had the proper wheel in the back. My wife
suggested that I move the control wheel up front because of "?age?" and
insurance. Oh well, it could be worse. At least I will still be
flying. (soon).
I'm digging for a grommet to handle both wiring systems as I am
doing a strobe/tail light configuration. I've got a bit of shrink
material to protect wires.
Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "robert stone" <rstone4(at)hot.rr.com> |
| Subject: | ICOM IC - A6 Handheld Transciver |
Members,
I ordered a ICOM IC - A6 Aviation transciver and received it from
Aircraft Spruce. I have read and tried to follow the instructions in
the manual and still cannot get the thing to work. When I used a search
engine to look up the URL of the importer, there was another web site
that had the following to say about the instruction manual for this
radio. It is copied and pasted below:
Monday, December 11, 2006
by Duane Mitchell of Tallahassee, FL
Review: The transciever is excellent but as a longtime technical
writer/editor I am qualified to judge the instruction manual as the
worst I have ever seen. Somebody needs to spend a few bucks to have it
revised and sent as a supplement to customers who are stuck trying to
figure out how this great transciever works. An on-line revision would
help.
If any of you guys have one of these radios and can help me
understand how to us it, I would be greatfull since I can't understand
the owners manual at all.
Bob Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Denis Walsh <denis.walsh(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ICOM IC - A6 Handheld Transciver |
Its a pisser all right, IMHO.
First off, you gotta hold the power button down until it yips three
or four times! After that it gets worse. If I fiddle with the
function key enough and get it to manual, I can enter a freq., by
punching the buttons.
Oh the volume knob is rather straightforward....... if you can get
that far. Squelch, well now that is another matter.
It is a great radio I agree.
Denis Walsh
On Aug 9, 2007, at 07:41 708880008, robert stone wrote:
> Members,
> I ordered a ICOM IC - A6 Aviation transciver and received it
> from Aircraft Spruce. I have read and tried to follow the
> instructions in the manual and still cannot get the thing to work.
> When I used a search engine to look up the URL of the importer,
> there was another web site that had the following to say about the
> instruction manual for this radio. It is copied and pasted below:
>
> Monday, December 11, 2006
> by Duane Mitchell of Tallahassee, FL
> Review: The transciever is excellent but as a longtime technical
> writer/editor I am qualified to judge the instruction manual as the
> worst I have ever seen. Somebody needs to spend a few bucks to have
> it revised and sent as a supplement to customers who are stuck
> trying to figure out how this great transciever works. An on-line
> revision would help.
>
> If any of you guys have one of these radios and can help me
> understand how to us it, I would be greatfull since I can't
> understand the owners manual at all.
>
> Bob Stone
> Harker Heights, Tx
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Travis Hamblen" <travishamblen(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Dynon tach setting... |
I have to adjust my Dynon tach setting but until I get my hands on a tach
meter I won't know if the setting is just right. I currently have it at "2"
but Dynon tech support says that you can actually set it at helf steps like
1, 1.5, 2, 2.5 etc... So my question is just to see if my fellow Dynon
engine monitor RVers can tell me what they have it set at. I realize it is
different if you have electronic mags or 6 vs. 4 cylinders. I have an
IO-390 (4 cylinder) which should put out the same number of pulses as the
IO-360. If you have a similar engine, can you tell me what yours is set
at? I will get a tach meter in the next couple days to get mine set just
right, but my curiosity is killing me! You can e-mail me direct or post it
here.
Travis
RV-7A (1st flight yesterday!!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob <panamared5(at)brier.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Time or Money |
It took me about 400 of the best building hours during the entire
project to build my fuselage up to the QB stage. If you build it,
you have a lot more flexibilty on how to do things, such as leaving
off certain panels until other things are added, or adding your own
stuff not in the plans, eg adding conduit (for wiring) to various
sections of the fueslage.
If you want to save money and time, buy a flying RV. I doubt that I
could sell mine for what I put into it!
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
At 12:42 AM 8/9/07, you wrote:
>
>Does anyone know how much time is saved by purchasing a Quick-Build
>Fuselage Kit in place of the standard fuselage kit for a 6A? Is it
>worth the additional 5K? It was also suggested that that option
>could save as much as a year of building. Since most of you have
>passed this way already, your opinions will be valued greatly. So,
>what were your experiences?
>
> Thanks.
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN
>Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Reginald C. Smith, Sr." <smirdrv(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Time or Money |
Bob,
I've been watching the prices of the 6's rise steadily for years to
the point they surpass the price of a used Hi Perfomance Certified A/C. The
days of the 30-50K RV are gone. Unless the price reflects a sacrifice sale,
I'll have settle for the "Tickle Method" for aquiring mine. I've come close
to buying a '3' several times, but it'd be a tight fit for my 118lb frame
with the wife tagging along. Both you and Dean make sense.... It's time to
start throwing the furniture on the fire to keep it going.
Thanks
Reggie.
>From: Bob <panamared5(at)brier.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Time or Money
>Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:30:35 -0500
>
>
>It took me about 400 of the best building hours during the entire project
>to build my fuselage up to the QB stage. If you build it, you have a lot
>more flexibilty on how to do things, such as leaving off certain panels
>until other things are added, or adding your own stuff not in the plans, eg
>adding conduit (for wiring) to various sections of the fueslage.
>
>If you want to save money and time, buy a flying RV. I doubt that I could
>sell mine for what I put into it!
>
>Bob
>RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
>
>At 12:42 AM 8/9/07, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>Does anyone know how much time is saved by purchasing a Quick-Build
>>Fuselage Kit in place of the standard fuselage kit for a 6A? Is it worth
>>the additional 5K? It was also suggested that that option could save as
>>much as a year of building. Since most of you have passed this way
>>already, your opinions will be valued greatly. So, what were your
>>experiences?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
>>Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel.
>>http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Mike Kraus" <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
| Subject: | Dynon tach setting... |
O320-E2D with a Dynon 180. Mine is set to 1. Works great.
-Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Travis Hamblen
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: RV-List: Dynon tach setting...
I have to adjust my Dynon tach setting but until I get my hands on a
tach meter I won't know if the setting is just right. I currently have
it at "2" but Dynon tech support says that you can actually set it at
helf steps like 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5 etc... So my question is just to see if
my fellow Dynon engine monitor RVers can tell me what they have it set
at. I realize it is different if you have electronic mags or 6 vs. 4
cylinders. I have an IO-390 (4 cylinder) which should put out the same
number of pulses as the IO-360. If you have a similar engine, can you
tell me what yours is set at? I will get a tach meter in the next
couple days to get mine set just right, but my curiosity is killing me!
You can e-mail me direct or post it here.
Travis
RV-7A (1st flight yesterday!!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin(at)valkyrie.net> |
| Subject: | Stainless Hole Plugs |
List, Does anyone know of a vendor who sells Stainless Hole Plugs? The
Nickel plated verity eventually corrode. I am looking for 3/4 & 1 inch
for my wheel pants.
Thanks, Tom in Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Stainless Hole Plugs |
Not sure if they are stainless, but Ace Hardware has a section of various specialty
hardware like that. That's where I got mine, and they worked out fine.
Paul Besing
Tom & Cathy Ervin wrote:
List, Does anyone know of a vendor who sells Stainless Hole Plugs? The
Nickel plated verity eventually corrode. I am looking for 3/4 & 1 inch for my
wheel pants.
Thanks, Tom in Ohio
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Stainless Hole Plugs |
In a message dated 8/11/2007 7:01:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
tcervin(at)valkyrie.net writes:
List, Does anyone know of a vendor who sells Stainless Hole Plugs? The
Nickel plated verity eventually corrode. I am looking for 3/4 & 1 inch for my
wheel pants.
===================================
I actually prefer the plastic ones and they're lighter.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 860hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Lervold" <randy(at)romeolima.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Stainless Hole Plugs |
Instead of the hole plugs consider camlock doors, p/n KM713-16-064...
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/accessdoors.php
Randy Lervold
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom & Cathy Ervin
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 6:58 AM
Subject: RV-List: Stainless Hole Plugs
List, Does anyone know of a vendor who sells Stainless Hole Plugs? The
Nickel plated verity eventually corrode. I am looking for 3/4 & 1 inch
for my wheel pants.
Thanks, Tom in Ohio
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom & Cathy Ervin" <tcervin(at)valkyrie.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Stainless Hole Plugs |
Randy, Wish I would have known about these when I was building! They
will defiantly be part of my next project. My RV6-A is painted and
flying so at this point I need the stainless plugs.......they have to
available somewhere!?!?
I did note that those neat cam doors are stainless.
Tom in Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Lervold
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Stainless Hole Plugs
Instead of the hole plugs consider camlock doors, p/n KM713-16-064...
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/accessdoors.php
Randy Lervold
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom & Cathy Ervin
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 6:58 AM
Subject: RV-List: Stainless Hole Plugs
List, Does anyone know of a vendor who sells Stainless Hole Plugs?
The Nickel plated verity eventually corrode. I am looking for 3/4 & 1
inch for my wheel pants.
Thanks, Tom in Ohio
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?RV-List
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fiveonepw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | GPS/XM antenna interference |
At an OSH forum it was recommended to not locate active antennas(ae?) next to
each other as their active electronics could degrade or corrupt data from
them. I've been unable to find any such restrictions in the installation
information provided with the equipment which includes GNS430W, GRT Dual Horizons
with XM satellite and internal GPS, Trutrak ADI with it's own GPS, for a total
of
3 GPS antennas(ae?) and one XM receiver. I'd like to mount these on a common
shelf at the top of the firewall under the cowl.
Each antenna appears to have a simple coaxial connection which tells me
little of it's "active" capability or if these are simple (non-active) devices,
although I know the antenna for the 430W is a dedicated unit (not same as non-W
unit). The antenna for the ADI is a Laipac Tech model GLP1.
Before I contact the various suppliers tomorrow, does anyone have any actual
experience with this or know of any installation requirements/recommended
practices for these devices, or is this more Urban Legend?
Mark Phillips
(with apologies for posting to multiple lists!)
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GPS/XM antenna interference |
No input regarding XM devices vs GPS, but I've learned to put some
distance between my MP3 player and my GPS antenna.
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: Fiveonepw(at)aol.com
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 2:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: GPS/XM antenna interference
At an OSH forum it was recommended to not locate active antennas(ae?)
next to each other as their active electronics could degrade or corrupt
data from them. I've been unable to find any such restrictions in the
installation information provided with the equipment which includes
GNS430W, GRT Dual Horizons with XM satellite and internal GPS, Trutrak
ADI with it's own GPS, for a total of 3 GPS antennas(ae?) and one XM
receiver. I'd like to mount these on a common shelf at the top of the
firewall under the cowl.
Each antenna appears to have a simple coaxial connection which tells
me little of it's "active" capability or if these are simple
(non-active) devices, although I know the antenna for the 430W is a
dedicated unit (not same as non-W unit). The antenna for the ADI is a
Laipac Tech model GLP1.
Before I contact the various suppliers tomorrow, does anyone have any
actual experience with this or know of any installation
requirements/recommended practices for these devices, or is this more
Urban Legend?
Mark Phillips
(with apologies for posting to multiple lists!)
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| From: | Amit Dagan <amitdagan(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | How rediculous is this?! |
Now I know that I am preaching to the choir here, but after reading this:
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9758741-7.html
I must ask, how can it be that a C-172 wins the handling qualities category
over an RV???
Sure made me wonder just how modified that RV-4 was, note that it also won
in the quietest category.
Just makes me wonder.
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| From: | "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster(at)flion.com> |
| Subject: | How rediculous is this?! |
Well, reading the article, it's probably because they were looking for
handling suitable for an 'everyplane'; one that can be handled by relatively
unskilled and untrained pilot. That would *not* be an RV. Now, if it was a
performance handling contest, then I would be surprised.
Pat Kelley - RV-6A - panel cut and being wired
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amit Dagan
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: RV-List: How rediculous is this?!
Now I know that I am preaching to the choir here, but after reading this:
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9758741-7.html
I must ask, how can it be that a C-172 wins the handling qualities category
over an RV???
Sure made me wonder just how modified that RV-4 was, note that it also won
in the quietest category.
Just makes me wonder.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE: How rediculous is this?! |
Hi Amit-
>I must ask, how can it be that a C-172 wins the handling qualities category
over an RV???
>Sure made me wonder just how modified that RV-4 was
>Just makes me wonder.
The RV was 'highly modified' and won the speed contest. If the owner was
willing to spend the time and effort to do the speed mods, he was also
probably willing to ballast the plane as far aft as possible to mitigate
the induced drag of both the wing and stabilizer. This in turn would
degrade the handling characteristics of the plane significantly.
Everything is a trade off...
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.ne
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: GPS/XM antenna interference |
| From: | Doug Weiler <dcw(at)mnwing.org> |
On 8/12/07 1:05 PM, "Fiveonepw(at)aol.com" wrote:
> At an OSH forum it was recommended to not locate active antennas(ae?) next to
> each other as their active electronics could degrade or corrupt data from
> them. I've been unable to find any such restrictions in the installation
> information provided with the equipment which includes GNS430W, GRT Dual
> Horizons with XM satellite and internal GPS, Trutrak ADI with it's own GPS,
> for a total of 3 GPS antennas(ae?) and one XM receiver. I'd like to mount
> these on a common shelf at the top of the firewall under the cowl.
>
> Each antenna appears to have a simple coaxial connection which tells me little
> of it's "active" capability or if these are simple (non-active) devices,
> although I know the antenna for the 430W is a dedicated unit (not same as
> non-W unit). The antenna for the ADI is a Laipac Tech model GLP1.
>
> Before I contact the various suppliers tomorrow, does anyone have any actual
> experience with this or know of any installation requirements/recommended
> practices for these devices, or is this more Urban Legend?
>
> Mark Phillips
> (with apologies for posting to multiple lists!)
>
> Mark:
>
> I have my normal GPS antenna mounted immediately adjacent to my XM WX antenna
> (for my Anywhere Map system). There seems to be no issues what so ever. I
> would not place them near a transmitting antenna however.
>
> Doug Weiler
> RV-4, 400 hrs
>
>
>
>
> AOL.com.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | How rediculous is this?! |
| From: | evmeg(at)snowcrest.net |
This is great news! That has got to be our man Dave Anders. He has been
working hard on this contest for a while and his biggest concern was the
noise factor. He seems to have done exceptionally well on that front.
Congratulations are in order.
Cheers..
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| Subject: | How rediculous is this?! |
| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
Tim,
You are precisely describing the Air Chart System's VFR or IFR Atlas.
Half the cost and half the bother of Jeppesen...and no folding.
http://www.airchart.com/Pages/product.html
Chuck Jensen
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Bryan
Have you ever wondered who thought it was a good idea to design
sectionals this way for airplanes? I have thought about cutting a
sectional up into pages and making some kind of book for it. Would sure
be lots of work however to keep doing this. We fly off a page pretty
quick too. (Quicker than a 172 does anyway)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | How rediculous is this?! |
| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
Bob,
What's a "folded sectional"? Is that something that comes with a GPS
and moving map? I thought I saw one once in the Air-n-Space Museum---it
was in a photo and was under the pilot's arm as he was hand propping an
airplane; very quaint. :-)
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
While flying, open a completely folded sectional, find your location
on the map and then refold the sectional and put it away. For me, it
is much easier in a C-172 than my RV6.
Of course, no one in their right mind would ever let cockpit
management get so sloppy! I have never done this, and I promise
never to do it again!!
I think the real question should be, what is the criteria used to
judge the handling qualities.
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: How rediculous is this?! |
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
[quote="n616tb(at)btsapps.com"]Wow I am in a big right turn and a severe dive if
I do that! My wife
doesn't have any controls when we fly. I take it out. :-)
Tim
> --
This is precisely the scenario that led me to put the single-axis TruTrak in my
RV.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV Builder's Hotline (free!)
http://rvhotline.expercraft.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=129029#129029
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vincent Palermo <vpalermo(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GPS/XM antenna interference |
Mark
The antennas will not interact with each other but should be at least
24 inches from other types of active antennas(comm). If you want to
see if it is an active antenna, take the tnc off, turn on the gns
430w/530w and measure from the center conductor to the shield with a
voltmeter and you will find that there is 5 vdc at that point.
Vincent Palermo
On Aug 13, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Doug Weiler wrote:
>
>
> On 8/12/07 1:05 PM, "Fiveonepw(at)aol.com" wrote:
>
> At an OSH forum it was recommended to not locate active antennas
> (ae?) next to each other as their active electronics could degrade
> or corrupt data from them. I've been unable to find any such
> restrictions in the installation information provided with the
> equipment which includes GNS430W, GRT Dual Horizons with XM
> satellite and internal GPS, Trutrak ADI with it's own GPS, for a
> total of 3 GPS antennas(ae?) and one XM receiver. I'd like to
> mount these on a common shelf at the top of the firewall under the
> cowl.
>
> Each antenna appears to have a simple coaxial connection which
> tells me little of it's "active" capability or if these are simple
> (non-active) devices, although I know the antenna for the 430W is a
> dedicated unit (not same as non-W unit). The antenna for the ADI
> is a Laipac Tech model GLP1.
>
> Before I contact the various suppliers tomorrow, does anyone have
> any actual experience with this or know of any installation
> requirements/recommended practices for these devices, or is this
> more Urban Legend?
>
> Mark Phillips
> (with apologies for posting to multiple lists!)
>
> Mark:
>
> I have my normal GPS antenna mounted immediately adjacent to my XM
> WX antenna (for my Anywhere Map system). There seems to be no
> issues what so ever. I would not place them near a transmitting
> antenna however.
>
> Doug Weiler
> RV-4, 400 hrs
>
>
> AOL.com.
>
>
> il Forum -
> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
> ; - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> matronics.com
>
>
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| From: | "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Jack Norris Book on "Props" / "Logic of Flight" |
Was looking in the archives and found this:
--------- insert ---------
Match: #1
Message: #123450
Date: Nov 06, 2005
From: John Huft <rv8(at)lazy8.net>
Subject: Re: Jack Norris Propeller book version=3.0.3
version=3.0.3 Oh well. Now I'm really sorry I didn't make it to his
seminar. John S Hamer wrote: > >John, > >Just as a point of reference, I
gave Jack my $12.00 for his book at one of >the Luscombe fly-ins at Columbia
Ca. in either '95 or '96, not sure which >year. It was worth the money just
to listen to him talk about his career. >The book will be a bonus if he ever
finishes it. > >Steve Hamer >Apple Valley
--------- end insert -------
My book from Jack Norris arrive in the mail today.
One side is: "Propellers" the other side is "Logic of Flight".
The paperback book measures 7" X 9" X 1 1/8" thick.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,050 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
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| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GPS/XM antenna interference |
I have 3 ants as close as possible to each other on the RV-8 glareshield and
haven't noticed any ill effects. (396 GPS & XM Weather & XM radio)
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 8/13/07, Vincent Palermo wrote:
>
> MarkThe antennas will not interact with each other but should be at least
> 24 inches from other types of active antennas(comm). If you want to see if
> it is an active antenna, take the tnc off, turn on the gns 430w/530w and
> measure from the center conductor to the shield with a voltmeter and you
> will find that there is 5 vdc at that point.
> Vincent Palermo
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Doug Weiler wrote:
>
>
> On 8/12/07 1:05 PM, "Fiveonepw@aol.com"
> <Fiveonepw@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> At an OSH forum it was recommended to not locate active antennas(ae?) next
> to each other as their active electronics could degrade or corrupt data from
> them. I've been unable to find any such restrictions in the installation
> information provided with the equipment which includes GNS430W, GRT Dual
> Horizons with XM satellite and internal GPS, Trutrak ADI with it's own GPS,
> for a total of 3 GPS antennas(ae?) and one XM receiver. I'd like to mount
> these on a common shelf at the top of the firewall under the cowl.
>
> Each antenna appears to have a simple coaxial connection which tells me
> little of it's "active" capability or if these are simple (non-active)
> devices, although I know the antenna for the 430W is a dedicated unit (not
> same as non-W unit). The antenna for the ADI is a Laipac Tech model GLP1.
>
> Before I contact the various suppliers tomorrow, does anyone have any
> actual experience with this or know of any installation
> requirements/recommended practices for these devices, or is this more Urban
> Legend?
>
> Mark Phillips
> (with apologies for posting to multiple lists!)
>
> Mark:
>
> I have my normal GPS antenna mounted immediately adjacent to my XM WX
> antenna (for my Anywhere Map system). There seems to be no issues what so
> ever. I would not place them near a transmitting antenna however.
>
> Doug Weiler
> RV-4, 400 hrs
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| From: | "Charles Reiche" <reichec(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GPS/XM antenna interference |
This is not the test of an "active" antenna, that being really one that
tranmits RF, like com antennas, active traffic (tcas, skywatch) and
transponder antennas.... also satcom ( as far from every other antenna
as possible) 5V at the antenna just means there is a preamp in the
antenna. Passive antennas are ones such as ADF loop and sense, GPS, XM
radio, Marker Beacon, and stormscope antennas. You can line those GPS
and XM antennas right up next to each other no problems!
Charlie
Make sure you have enough cable loss or attenuation with your GNS X30
WAAS system!
----- Original Message -----
From: Vincent Palermo
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS/XM antenna interference
Mark
The antennas will not interact with each other but should be at least
24 inches from other types of active antennas(comm). If you want to see
if it is an active antenna, take the tnc off, turn on the gns 430w/530w
and measure from the center conductor to the shield with a voltmeter and
you will find that there is 5 vdc at that point.
Vincent Palermo
On Aug 13, 2007, at 8:26 AM, Doug Weiler wrote:
On 8/12/07 1:05 PM, "Fiveonepw(at)aol.com" wrote:
At an OSH forum it was recommended to not locate active
antennas(ae?) next to each other as their active electronics could
degrade or corrupt data from them. I've been unable to find any such
restrictions in the installation information provided with the equipment
which includes GNS430W, GRT Dual Horizons with XM satellite and internal
GPS, Trutrak ADI with it's own GPS, for a total of 3 GPS antennas(ae?)
and one XM receiver. I'd like to mount these on a common shelf at the
top of the firewall under the cowl.
Each antenna appears to have a simple coaxial connection which
tells me little of it's "active" capability or if these are simple
(non-active) devices, although I know the antenna for the 430W is a
dedicated unit (not same as non-W unit). The antenna for the ADI is a
Laipac Tech model GLP1.
Before I contact the various suppliers tomorrow, does anyone have
any actual experience with this or know of any installation
requirements/recommended practices for these devices, or is this more
Urban Legend?
Mark Phillips
(with apologies for posting to multiple lists!)
Mark:
I have my normal GPS antenna mounted immediately adjacent to my XM
WX antenna (for my Anywhere Map system). There seems to be no issues
what so ever. I would not place them near a transmitting antenna
however.
Doug Weiler
RV-4, 400 hrs
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| From: | "Gordon or Marge" <gcomfo(at)tc3net.com> |
| Subject: | How rediculous is this?! |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amit Dagan
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: RV-List: How rediculous is this?!
Now I know that I am preaching to the choir here, but after reading this:
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9758741-7.html
I must ask, how can it be that a C-172 wins the handling qualities category
over an RV???
Sure made me wonder just how modified that RV-4 was, note that it also won
in the quietest category.
Just makes me wonder.
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The thing that bothers me most about all of this is that NASA is putting
money in the misbegotten notion that somehow, someway, someone will come up
with
something (all purpose multimode transportation device that anyone can
handle) for not much money you can keep in the garage. This from an outfit
that wouldn't
recognize a good idea if it jumped up and bit them. I am reminded of the
colossal waste that went to Continental and Williams. This, this pipe
dream, is something
that has been sought after for at least 60 years that I know of and
distributing money for individual elements of a desired goal will bring out
those who can latch
onto some of it (money) but will bring us no closer to airmotive nirvana
than we have been for the last 60 years. This whole hocuspocus really
makes mu
blood pressure spike. This rant is not meant to belittle or deprecate the
efforts people have made in this competition
but really, someone should kick NASA right square in the sternsheets.
Gordon Comfort
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| From: | Fiveonepw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | GPS/XM antenna interference |
Just to pass along my learnings- after contacting the techies at Garmin,
Trutrak and GRT, none expressed any concerns or related any experiences where
locating these antennas(ae?) next to each other would create any problems. None
of the replies from the various lists indicated much of a problem either- at
least no one identified any specific technical issues. Proceeding as planned-
>From the Antenna Farm...
Mark
(again, apologies for multi-list posting!)
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| From: | "David Schaefer" <n142ds(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | LightSpeed Modules |
I'd appreciate any pictures you might have of the installation of your
LightSpeed ignition modules on the engine mounts (not on top of the engine)
you might have. Please email me off list with your install photos.
Regards
--
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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| From: | Ed <bicyclop(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: LightSpeed Modules |
Are you talking about the coils? You can easily mount them on a piece of
angle near the top of the firewall.
Pax,
Ed Holyoke
David Schaefer wrote:
> I'd appreciate any pictures you might have of the installation of your
> LightSpeed ignition modules on the engine mounts (not on top of the
> engine) you might have. Please email me off list with your install
> photos.
>
> Regards
>
> --
> David W. Schaefer
> RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
> TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
> www.n142ds.com <http://www.n142ds.com>
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| Subject: | Molding leather help needed |
I'm considering covering the fiberglass switch panel I made with the same
leather I bought for the seats/sidewalls. The trick is the inset for the
controls so it needs to be molded somehow. Picture attached if it gets
through. I've never done anything like that before but that's part of the
fun isn't it? (gulp!) It sounds like wet-molding may work but what I've
turned up is very short on details and focuses on holsters and sheaths with
stitching and rivets, not a covering to be glued on. Has anyone done
something similar and can offer some pointers or source for more info? I'm
hoping it turns out to be simple but I'd prefer not wasting a lot of leather
to find out otherwise. Thanks
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY - project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
5:19 PM
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| From: | "David Schaefer" <n142ds(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: LightSpeed Modules |
Yes ... the coils. In a refit I was planning on using Adel clamps on the
engine mount.
THanks..
DWS
On 8/15/07, Ed wrote:
>
> Are you talking about the coils? You can easily mount them on a piece of
> angle near the top of the firewall.
>
> Pax,
>
> Ed Holyoke
>
> David Schaefer wrote:
>
> I'd appreciate any pictures you might have of the installation of your
> LightSpeed ignition modules on the engine mounts (not on top of the engine)
> you might have. Please email me off list with your install photos.
>
> Regards
>
> --
> David W. Schaefer
> RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
> TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
> www.n142ds.com
>
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RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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| From: | Larygagnon(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Molding leather help needed |
Greg, If a good heat gun and some stretching in the area of the recess in the
center aren't enough to get the material to lay flat you could cut a
horizontal relief in the material in the area of the cables and cover the cut with
a
separate leather wrapped overlay of thin aluminum. Matching vinyl material if
available would be more pliable then leather. If you make pattern out of
vinyl a local upholstery shop should be able to sew the material for a custom
look but you have to be careful where you put the seam to keep it out of the
way.
Larry Gagnon
RV6 N6LG
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| Subject: | Molding leather help needed |
Thanks Larry. Are you talking about using a heat gun on dry or wet leather?
I hadn't seen that. Does it work like vinyl? I've thought about sewn seams
(I've got a machine for upholstery - still learning that too) but am
concerned about the multiple thicknesses. Since it's going to be glued down
I thought about butt-joint seams but wonder if they will lift or
swell/shrink over time. So many questions... Thoughts anyone?
Regards,
Greg Young
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larygagnon(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Molding leather help needed
Greg, If a good heat gun and some stretching in the area of the recess in
the center aren't enough to get the material to lay flat you could cut a
horizontal relief in the material in the area of the cables and cover the
cut with a separate leather wrapped overlay of thin aluminum. Matching vinyl
material if available would be more pliable then leather. If you make
pattern out of vinyl a local upholstery shop should be able to sew the
material for a custom look but you have to be careful where you put the seam
to keep it out of the way.
Larry Gagnon
RV6 N6LG
4:55 PM
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| From: | "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster(at)flion.com> |
To the RV-6A builder with the clearance issue (sorry, I deleted the original
message):
I checked my aircraft today and you should not be having an issue. I think
the others who have replied to the effect of 'cut or file for appropriate
clearance' are misunderstanding that the F641 is the tunnel cover / seat
skin. However, in their defense, it's hard to see how you'd have clearance
issues with the F641 without also having clearance issues with the F605 and
F606 bulkheads; I definitely had to do some trimming there when I fitted
mine. However, that doesn't really address your problem, so I played around
with my setup and I think I may have an idea of what is happening; you will
have to confirm or deny.
If I disconnect the rear pushrod at the transfer bellcrank, I can get close
to the same interference (actually, I end up rubbing on the F605 bulkhead
first) as the stick approaches the F604 bulkhead (which has been trimmed per
the plans). I think this is what you are seeing. However, with the rear
pushrod attached (and the elevators in place, etc.) the elevator stops
prevent me from moving the stick that far forward and there is no clearance
issue. The stick is then approximately 7/16" from the front of F604 on my
aircraft. Also, when the elevator is neutral, the upper portion of the
stick should be perpendicular to level; if you make the lower portion
perpendicular instead, then the stick will be canted too far forward and you
may, again, have some clearance issues. The key here is to start at the
back; install the elevator, rear pushrod, and then install the stops, making
sure you get full movement of the elevator. Then set the elevator to
neutral and attach the rear pushrod to the transfer bellcrank, adjusting to
make sure the bellcrank is vertical. With the elevator still held in
neutral, make up the forward pushrod from transfer bellcrank to stick
assembly, making sure the stick is vertical fore/aft with the elevator
neutral. At this point, check the motion of the pushrods for clearance. I
think you will find it works fine.
If that is basically what you have done, then you will need to recheck
everything: height and orientation of the transfer bellcrank, height and
orientation of the stick assembly mounts, and even the stick assembly parts
(in case Van's made an error). Hopefully, this note finds you already with
a solution in hand.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Still waiting of panel (it's been cut and painted,
now in wiring. Est. 2 weeks to arrive)
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| From: | Tim Lewis <Tim_Lewis(at)msm.umr.edu> |
| Subject: | Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alternators |
I'm thinking of buying either a 60 Amp alternator made by either Plane
Power ($375 including internal regulator and OV from Van's) or B&C
($595 + $228 for regulator & OV = $823) for my RV-10. The Plane Power
price and simplicity are quite appealing. I've heard good things about
Plane Power, and have heard of only a single failure in the field. B&C
also has a very good reputation. So I'm seeking experiences, both good
and bad, from people who have put a few hours on a Plane Power (or B&C)
alternator.
Thanks,
Tim Lewis
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
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| From: | "David Schaefer" <n142ds(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alternators |
I have two B&C alternators... one 60AMP and one 20AMP on the vaccuum pad.
They just work ! No problems so far.
Regards
On 8/16/07, Tim Lewis wrote:
>
>
> I'm thinking of buying either a 60 Amp alternator made by either Plane
> Power ($375 including internal regulator and OV from Van's) or B&C
> ($595 + $228 for regulator & OV = $823) for my RV-10. The Plane Power
> price and simplicity are quite appealing. I've heard good things about
> Plane Power, and have heard of only a single failure in the field. B&C
> also has a very good reputation. So I'm seeking experiences, both good
> and bad, from people who have put a few hours on a Plane Power (or B&C)
> alternator.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Lewis
>
> --
> Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
> RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs
> RV-10 #40059 under construction
>
>
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David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
TMX-IOF360 FADEC, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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| From: | "RV6 Flyer" <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alternators |
B&C 60 A alternator and B&C regulator. All the problems that I have had (3)
are from wiring problems that were MY problems. Twice I had a bad
connection and one was a wire that had the insulation rub off and
intermittently shorted to ground killing the alternator output. B&C
troubleshooting guide that they have on their web site was used to find all
the problems that I caused. Problems that I caused were spread out over
almost 10 years. I made the airplane's first flight in September 1997.
B&C alternator and regulator has had no problems in almost 10-years of
operation.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,050 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
----Original Message Follows----
From: Tim Lewis <Tim_Lewis(at)msm.umr.edu>
Subject: RV-List: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C
alternators
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:26:18 -0400
I'm thinking of buying either a 60 Amp alternator made by either Plane Power
($375 including internal regulator and OV from Van's) or B&C ($595 + $228
for regulator & OV = $823) for my RV-10. The Plane Power price and
simplicity are quite appealing. I've heard good things about Plane Power,
and have heard of only a single failure in the field. B&C also has a very
good reputation. So I'm seeking experiences, both good and bad, from people
who have put a few hours on a Plane Power (or B&C) alternator.
Thanks,
Tim Lewis
--
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RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alternators |
In a message dated 8/16/2007 5:29:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Tim_Lewis(at)msm.umr.edu writes:
So I'm seeking experiences, both good
and bad, from people who have put a few hours on a Plane Power (or B&C)
alternator.
====================================
Tim-
B&C 60A running A-OK since day one.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 864hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| From: | Sherman Butler <lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jack Norris Book on "Props" / "Logic of Flight" |
I submitt a data point for information, as this is not my field. Per my aerodyamicsist:
Jack Noriss didn't actually do any of the work that he is touting. His good friend
Dr. Andy Bower had just finished the work shortly before he died. In a
nut shell Bower figured out how to calculate a vortex integral on the fly that
would be used to predict prop performance. McCauley and Hartzell and everyone
else for that matter is using a method for predicting performance done by Henry
Borst in the 1940's for the Army Air Corps. McCauley, Hartzell and Hamelton
props have shown better performance against a Norris designed prop. There are
more practical methods of design a propeller and if you are interested in propeller
design, and there are several books, from conceptual to very rigorous
available.
"Bob J." wrote: I got mine at OSH after his forum. His
style of writing is very 'rambling' to put it mildly and the book is unedited.
IMO both of which has made the book somewhat frustrating to read.
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
Idaho Falls
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| From: | <gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C alternators |
Tim: there both good but you hit the nail on the head cost. Both have good products
and service.
I can point out to some nice features of the Plane Power unit that the B&C does
not have:
-Custom cooling fans for proper rotation (B&C runs stock fan backward)
-High Altitude Brushes
Plane power also like B&C is anodized, balanced and they use top parts. Plane
power manufactures many parts in house.
The OV production uses the same type of crow-bar OV module that Bob recommends
and B&C sells, but it is integrated into the unit.
You can't go wrong with either, but one advantage that may not be obvious is
getting an emergency temp replacement on a X-C trip. Away from home base, the
plane power could in a pinch be replaced with a stock alternator from an automotive
parts store. Even though the Plane power units are modified, the wiring
is basically the same as a stock internally regulated alternator.
Plane power has a larger output unit 70 amps verses 60 amps. If you want to accept
the weight, I would consider the 70 amp unit, especially if you are going
with a fancy panel and inflight entertainment. It's about 3 lbs more. It's nice
to keep your total load below say 50-60% of max rating. It's simple math,
heat. Lower the heat the better the service life/reliability. Since the Plane-power
has the regulator on-board, protecting it from heat with heat a shield and
blast tube is value added.
Cheers George
From: Tim Lewis <Tim_Lewis(at)msm.umr.edu>
Subject: RV-List: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power,
B&C alternators
I'm thinking of buying either a 60 Amp alternator made by either Plane
Power ($375 including internal regulator and OV from Van's) or B&C
($595 + $228 for regulator & OV = $823) for my RV-10. The Plane Power
price and simplicity are quite appealing. I've heard good things about
Plane Power, and have heard of only a single failure in the field. B&C
also has a very good reputation. So I'm seeking experiences, both good
and bad, from people who have put a few hours on a Plane Power (or B&C)
alternator.
Thanks,
Tim Lewis
--
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RV-6A N47TD -- 900 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C |
alter...
In a message dated 8/17/2007 7:22:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com writes:
Plane power also like B&C is anodized, balanced and they use top parts.
====================================================
I believe that George meant to say alodined (chem film per MIL-C-5541)
rather than anodized (per MIL-A-8625) because, if you were to anodize the housing,
you would have to do it selectively (not in the area that makes chassis
ground contact), since anodizing is insulative. My B&C is chem filmed and chem
film (chromate) is conductive.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 864hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
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| From: | "Bob J." <rocketbob(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C |
alter...
Alternatively consider the Denso 100211-1680 alternator, available brand new
from many sources for about $200. Its rated at 42A and weighs 6lbs. This
is the same alternator that Niagara Airparts used to sell, and it has
built-in OV protection. I have had one for 700+ hours and its been
rock-solid reliable. The most appealing thing about this alternator is the
availability of it as a rebuilt unit at a local auto parts store. Once I
had a friend I was flying with have an alternator crap out on a trip, and we
were able to get him going again after a short hop to the a auto parts store
after landing at the nearest airport along our route. His alternator was
one of Van's old 35A units.
I have a source for these new alternators, email me off-line if interested.
Niagara will still sell the brackets for $75.00.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
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| From: | <gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seeking good bad experiences with alternators (GV) |
>From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
>Subject: Re: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane
>Power, B&C alternator.
>
>
>I believe that George meant to say alodined (chem film per
>MIL-C-5541) rather than anodized (per MIL-A-8625)
>because, if you were to anodize the housing, you would
>have to do it selectively (not in the area that makes chassis
>ground contact), since anodizing is insulative. My B&C is
>chem filmed and chem. film (chromate) is conductive.
>
>
>GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 864hrs, Silicon
>Valley, CA)
Thanks for the correction. I did mean to say anodized,
but you are right, anodize would be a poor choice,
conductive wise. I am probably mistaken, but......
I talked to Steve at Plane-Power and he said something
he does some with corrosion proofing PP units per our phone
conversation. My memory is faulty; may be he said alodine?
Again thanks for keeping me straight (nicely). It's not
advertise on their site, I could find, but there is a coating step
in there. G
(Love the detailed Mil specs)
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| From: | <gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Alternator bushes, check them, they all wear |
Starting a new thread from previous
>From: "Bob J."
>Subject: Re: Seeking good and bad experiences
>with Plane Power, B&C alternators
>
>
>Alternatively consider the Denso 100211-1680 alternator,
>available brand new from many sources for about $200. Its
>rated at 42A and weighs 6lbs. This is the same alternator
>that Niagara Airparts used to sell, and it has built-in OV
>protection. I have had one for 700+ hours and its been
>rock-solid reliable. The most appealing thing about this
>alternator is the availability of it as a rebuilt unit at a local
>auto parts store. Once I had a friend I was flying with have
>an alternator crap out on a trip, and we were able to get
>him going again after a short hop to the a auto parts store
>after landing at the nearest airport along our route. His
>alternator was one of Van's old 35A units.
>
>
>I have a source for these new alternators, email me off-line
>if interested.Niagara will still sell the brackets for $75.00.
>
>
>Regards,
>Bob Japundza
>RV-6 flying F1 under const.
Bob, I have a Niagara unit and I concur they are excellent.
There is nothing like new OEM ND's. If you can get a new
genuine 100211-1680 for $200, that is a good deal.
I agree that availability at auto part stores is a cool thing, but
I found car/auto part stores don't stock this exact unit. The
reason is the main application is a Japanese folklift. There
may be an equivalent. However you can get parts and
worked on at auto electric repair shops.
A fellow RV'er with a Niagara 100211-1680 also got rock
solid service with his. He did have an issue at over 800
hours with worn brushes (to be expected). Plane power
recommends I think looking at them at 700 hours and I am
sure B&C wear out brushes.
I recommend everyone regardless of alternator brand check
their brushes in the first 300-500 hours and than every 100
hours or so after. They are cheap and easy to replace. It's
good preventative maintenance. You might as well just
replace them. Interesting NOTE the higher you fly or the
dryer climates the faster brushes wear. There's less moisture
at altitude and brushes wear faster. However below 8,000 feet
there is not much difference. I'm talking about flying +10k ft
most of the time. If you fly high / dry than check the brushes
more often is my advice.
---------------------------------
Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com> |
| Subject: | LSE Direct crank vs. Hall effect |
After nearly 1400 hrs.and 4 mag failures (Slick), I am considering an
LSE unit to replace the right mag. I realize that the direct crank
sensor is less expensive and that the Hall effect sensor that mounts in
the old mag position is simpler to install. Ignoring the cost difference
and initial installation difference, is there any other reason to pick
one over the other? I am looking for comments on reliability of one
sensor vs. the other and any other pertinent information.
Thanks,
Ivan Haecker -4 1381 hrs. S. Cen. TX
ps 3 failed coils and 1 failed condensor. And yes I used blast tubes
(after the 1st failure!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fiveonepw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: GPS/XM antenna interference |
In a message dated 08/17/2007 7:57:25 PM Central Daylight Time,
pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net writes:
There opinion will probably be couched in CYA rather than sound electronic
principles.
Each supplier (Garmin, GRT & Trutrak) refreshingly did no such thing and said
they could offer no evidence there would be a problem- neat, huh?
Thanks again to all who chimed in on this "problem". FWIW, the OSH Forum was
"Airplane Wiring for Smart People" by BMAs Greg Richter. He claimed that a
plane he had worked on had a serious interference problem from these type
antennas(ae?) that was solved by locating them apart (18"? can't recall exactly
what distance he cited). Very possibly true, but based on responses here and on
other lists, I'd suspect the interference came from some influence not related
to the antennas(ae?) themselves...
Appreciate the discussion, folks!
Mark
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane Power, B&C |
alter...
Bob,
I have one of Van's original (circa 1990) 35A alternators on my -4. Do
you know whether a Denso 100211-1680 will fit the mount (boss type) that
came with that alternator? If so, could you give me some info about cost
for a new alternator that you alluded to below?
Thanks,
Ivan Haecker -4 1381hrs. S. Cen TX
(also with F-1 under very slow construction)
-------Original Message -----
From: Bob J.
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Seeking good and bad experiences with Plane
Power, B&C alter...
Alternatively consider the Denso 100211-1680 alternator, available
brand new from many sources for about $200. Its rated at 42A and weighs
6lbs. This is the same alternator that Niagara Airparts used to sell,
and it has built-in OV protection. I have had one for 700+ hours and
its been rock-solid reliable. The most appealing thing about this
alternator is the availability of it as a rebuilt unit at a local auto
parts store. Once I had a friend I was flying with have an alternator
crap out on a trip, and we were able to get him going again after a
short hop to the a auto parts store after landing at the nearest airport
along our route. His alternator was one of Van's old 35A units.
I have a source for these new alternators, email me off-line if
interested. Niagara will still sell the brackets for $75.00.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying F1 under const.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Weiler" <dcw(at)mnwing.org> |
| Subject: | Re: LSE Direct crank vs. Hall effect |
---- Original Message -----
From: H.Ivan Haecker
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:35 PM
Subject: RV-List: LSE Direct crank vs. Hall effect
After nearly 1400 hrs.and 4 mag failures (Slick), I am considering an LSE
unit to replace the right mag. I realize that the direct crank sensor is
less expensive and that the Hall effect sensor that mounts in the old mag
position is simpler to install. Ignoring the cost difference and initial
installation difference, is there any other reason to pick one over the
other? I am looking for comments on reliability of one sensor vs. the other
and any other pertinent information.
Thanks,
Ivan Haecker -4 1381 hrs. S. Cen. TX
ps 3 failed coils and 1 failed condensor. And yes I used blast tubes
(after the 1st failure!)
---------------
I installed a dual LSI system on my RV-4 18 months ago (about 200 hours on
the system thus far). I selected the direct crank sensor because of its
simplicity (the Hall effect mount requires period inspections of the
bearings. Installation certaionly was more involved having to remove the
prop but I am 100% happy with this system.
Doug Weiler
RV-4, N722DW, 400 hours
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Reiche" <reichec(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GPS/XM antenna interference |
Just like when you transmit on one of your com transmitters and your GPS
goverage gets knocked out... you need a notch filter on something but
alot of times its the ELT, pop a gps freq notch filter in there and the
problem goes away and has not effect on ELT operation. RF is going down
the ELT coax and exciting the transmitter circuit in the ELT and making
harmonics all the way up to the GPS freqs. Not necesarily the first
place you might look but its a solution.. Sure some solutions to
antenna placement includ CYA but sometimes these CYA approaches result
differently due to coax runs and spacing, etc.
I dont want to start a flame war but there is alot of noise and heat
under the cowl, thats the last place I would want to put an expensive
GPS or WX antenna.
Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: Fiveonepw(at)aol.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: GPS/XM antenna interference
In a message dated 08/17/2007 7:57:25 PM Central Daylight Time,
pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net writes:
There opinion will probably be couched in CYA rather than sound
electronic principles.
Each supplier (Garmin, GRT & Trutrak) refreshingly did no such thing
and said they could offer no evidence there would be a problem- neat,
huh?
Thanks again to all who chimed in on this "problem". FWIW, the OSH
Forum was "Airplane Wiring for Smart People" by BMAs Greg Richter. He
claimed that a plane he had worked on had a serious interference problem
from these type antennas(ae?) that was solved by locating them apart
(18"? can't recall exactly what distance he cited). Very possibly true,
but based on responses here and on other lists, I'd suspect the
interference came from some influence not related to the antennas(ae?)
themselves...
Appreciate the discussion, folks!
Mark
AOL.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Leffler" <rvmail(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Blue Plastic removal |
I started out removing strips of the blue protective plastic to allow for
dimpling and riveting. I've had several people comment that they had some
corrosion issues focused under the edges of the blue plastic. The most
recent was from the technical counselor that was just out for my first
counselor visit.
So I guess the debate would be which symptom would be worse after 2-3 year
build period, scratches or minor corrosion. Since all of these reports
have been second hand, I'm looking for feedback from anyone that had any
corrosion after the removed the blue plastic at the end of the build.
Any strong opinions with either option? Did anyone else find corrosion
under the blue plastic when removed?
Thanks,
Bob
#40684
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ford Frazier <fordfrazier(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Hi all! This is a call for help |
Hola RVers!
I was active on this list three years ago, then a move to Oakland CA
forced me to put my RV7 project in storage.
It's time to start-up again... BUT my home is without garage, OAK has
a 10+ year hangar wait list, and I can't find a place to build. Can
anyone in the SF East Bay help me out with a suggestion? I'm open to
creative solutions and y'all know better than anyone the workspace
and infrastructure requirements for an RV7 slow-build kit. Hangar
sublet, shared hangar, light industrial workshop, your great aunts
garage, whatever.
No need to clutter up the list with replies, but a personal email
would be truly appreciated. Thanks everyone.
Regards - Ford
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ford Frazier <fordfrazier(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Hi All! This is a call for help... |
Hola RVers!
I was active on this list three years ago, then a move to Oakland CA
forced me to put my RV7 project in storage.
It's time to start-up again... BUT my home is without garage, OAK has
a 10+ year hangar wait list, and I can't find a place to build. Can
anyone in the SF East Bay help me out with a suggestion? I'm open to
creative solutions and y'all know better than anyone the workspace
and infrastructure requirements for an RV7 slow-build kit. Hangar
sublet, shared hangar, light industrial workshop, your great aunts
garage, whatever.
No need to clutter up the list with replies, but a personal email
would be truly appreciated. Thanks everyone.
Regards - Ford
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Blue Plastic removal |
I had the corrosion on several edges. I've still left plastic on, but pulled
it back from edges a bit and deburred the edges and used the Alodine pen on
it. but I haven't found corrosion UNDER the blue plastic away from edges,
however, In my case, some of it has been on for 6 years. However, when I
noticed the corrosion beneath the plastic near edges, it was within months
of when it was shipped to me.
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:53 PM
Subject: RV-List: Blue Plastic removal
I started out removing strips of the blue protective plastic to allow for
dimpling and riveting. I've had several people comment that they had some
corrosion issues focused under the edges of the blue plastic. The most
recent was from the technical counselor that was just out for my first
counselor visit.
So I guess the debate would be which symptom would be worse after 2-3 year
build period, scratches or minor corrosion. Since all of these reports
have been second hand, I'm looking for feedback from anyone that had any
corrosion after the removed the blue plastic at the end of the build.
Any strong opinions with either option? Did anyone else find corrosion
under the blue plastic when removed?
Thanks,
Bob
#40684
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Blue Plastic removal |
Unless you are going to polish the plane, don't worry about scratches..unless they
are gouges, you'll never see them after you paint.
Paul Besing
Bob Leffler wrote:
I started out removing strips of the blue protective plastic to
allow for dimpling and riveting. Ive had several people comment that they had
some corrosion issues focused under the edges of the blue plastic. The most
recent was from the technical counselor that was just out for my first counselor
visit.
So I guess the debate would be which symptom would be worse after 2-3 year build
period, scratches or minor corrosion. Since all of these reports have been
second hand, Im looking for feedback from anyone that had any corrosion after
the removed the blue plastic at the end of the build.
Any strong opinions with either option? Did anyone else find corrosion under
the blue plastic when removed?
Thanks,
Bob
#40684
---------------------------------
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Blue Plastic removal |
Bob,
On my 7 there was no corrosion after removing the
plastic, but I'm in Central Texas.
Darrell
--- Bob Leffler wrote:
> I started out removing strips of the blue protective
> plastic to allow for
> dimpling and riveting. I've had several people
> comment that they had some
> corrosion issues focused under the edges of the blue
> plastic. The most
> recent was from the technical counselor that was
> just out for my first
> counselor visit.
>
>
>
> So I guess the debate would be which symptom would
> be worse after 2-3 year
> build period, scratches or minor corrosion. Since
> all of these reports
> have been second hand, I'm looking for feedback from
> anyone that had any
> corrosion after the removed the blue plastic at the
> end of the build.
>
>
>
> Any strong opinions with either option? Did anyone
> else find corrosion
> under the blue plastic when removed?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> #40684
>
>
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http://farechase.yahoo.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Blue Plastic removal |
I had some corrosion under edges of protective plastic when removing 5
years after receiving kit from Van's. Don't know what is worse scratches
or corrosion. But I think I would go with the potential of scratches.
Only my opinion.
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Leffler
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com ; rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:53 PM
Subject: RV-List: Blue Plastic removal
I started out removing strips of the blue protective plastic to allow
for dimpling and riveting. I've had several people comment that they
had some corrosion issues focused under the edges of the blue plastic.
The most recent was from the technical counselor that was just out for
my first counselor visit.
So I guess the debate would be which symptom would be worse after 2-3
year build period, scratches or minor corrosion. Since all of these
reports have been second hand, I'm looking for feedback from anyone that
had any corrosion after the removed the blue plastic at the end of the
build.
Any strong opinions with either option? Did anyone else find
corrosion under the blue plastic when removed?
Thanks,
Bob
#40684
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Gill" <wgill10(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | FW: Engine baffle instructions |
Listers,
I have Van's standard baffle kit for the IO-360 / 200hp engine. I am
preparing to install the baffle rubber fabric to the baffle walls, but
have misplaced the instruction sheets. How far should the baffle fabric
extend above the aluminum baffle walls? Also, if someone can scan a copy
of the instruction sheet(s) and send to me off-list, I'd really
appreciate it (I do have the drawing). Thanks.
Bill Gill
RV-7 FWF & finishing
Lee's Summit, MO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster(at)flion.com> |
| Subject: | Upper gear intersection fairing |
I'm ahead of myself but I've got the fairings on and am looking at the
intersection fairings. The RVator had a great article on attaching the
lower, leg to pant fairing and I'll be using that method there. However, I
don't see anything on the leg to fuselage fairing in the plans and I was
wondering how people dealt with this. With all the structure (especially
the wing spar) at the leg/fuselage/wing joint, I'm not sure I'll be able to
easily get nutplates in place to attach it to the fuselage and wing bottom.
Yet, I'm not sure if I should make it part of the leg fairing. Ideas would
be appreciated here.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - waiting on panel; installing antennae.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Upper gear intersection fairing |
My upper gear leg fairing are attached to the fuselage only. Four screws
with plate nuts in bottom fuse skin. Probably could do it with three
screws.
Dale Ensing
RV-6A
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Kelley
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:39 AM
Subject: RV-List: Upper gear intersection fairing
I'm ahead of myself but I've got the fairings on and am looking at the
intersection fairings. The RVator had a great article on attaching the
lower, leg to pant fairing and I'll be using that method there.
However, I don't see anything on the leg to fuselage fairing in the
plans and I was wondering how people dealt with this. With all the
structure (especially the wing spar) at the leg/fuselage/wing joint, I'm
not sure I'll be able to easily get nutplates in place to attach it to
the fuselage and wing bottom. Yet, I'm not sure if I should make it
part of the leg fairing. Ideas would be appreciated here.
Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - waiting on panel; installing antennae.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Low pass (Inspiration to get it done) |
| From: | eddyfernan(at)aol.com |
Hey everybody?just a little inspiration to keep bucking those rivets.? Your going
to love flying your RV. Check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmDwXdPFlfM
Eddy Fernandez
South Florida
RV9A "Kermit"
162 hrs TT
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Orndorff classes / electronic solenoids |
Good morning all! Hope you are enjoying this bright shiny day! We
wanted to let everyone know that we are settled in our new home and back
in business. Thanks to all for their patience while we made this move.
We have scheduled sheet metal working classes this fall for October
13-14, November 10-11, December 8-9.
We also have a limited number of electronic solenoids for engine
fuel primer systems. They are $15 while supplies last.
Please email or give us a call if we can help you with these or any
other items or services that we offer. Thanks!
Becki Orndorff
GeoBeck, Inc.
704-707-4845
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Support discontinued: VM1000, now VM1000C also |
I had heard that they were discontinuing support on the original VM1000 in favor
of the VM1000C - now they're gonna ditch that one too in favor of the VMS1000C
- with JPI grounded sensors. The VM1000C has a different footprint - so I
couldn't swap it out - and since they've been bought by JPI (bad memories last
long), I'm not interested in them anymore.
Since I needed to rearrange my panel to stay with a supported product, I bought
an AFS3400EM - which fit in the space that I had. So far, I'm very happy with
it!
This means that I have a bunch of VM1000 parts that were installed but never flown:
Oil pressure sender (with Hirschmann connector)
Oil temp sender
Injection fuel pressure sender (with Hirschmann connector)
Fuel Flow sensor
Tach sensor for Slick Mag
EGT thermocouples
CHT thermocouples
Amp sensor
Manifold pressure sensor (PC Board portion and filter fitting)
Display
Brain box
I would prefer that these parts go to folks that are trying to keep a vintage VM1000
alive instead of pushing the lot to someone - and make them deal with JPI.
Contact me direct.
Ralph
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fiveonepw(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Upper gear intersection fairing |
I used 3 on the fuse skin- 1 fwd of spar & 2 aft, plus one on the wingroot
fairing. Velcro, anyone? 8-)
Mark Phillips - RV-6A
_http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/_
(http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/)
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard McBride" <rickrv8(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Support discontinued: VM1000, now VM1000C also |
Ralph,
I have a VM1000 and although very happy with the product, I'm also concerned
about future support. I spoke to their representative at Oshkosh and was
told that they won't be doing any more upgrades to the VM1000 but will
continue to provide support. I'm not sure if this is accurate especially
since they are transistioning to JPI sensors. I curious what information
you received.
Rick McBride
RV-8
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv-list
>Subject: RV-List: Support discontinued: VM1000, now VM1000C also
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:43:08 -0400 (EDT)
>
>
>I had heard that they were discontinuing support on the original VM1000 in
>favor of the VM1000C - now they're gonna ditch that one too in favor of the
>VMS1000C - with JPI grounded sensors. The VM1000C has a different
>footprint - so I couldn't swap it out - and since they've been bought by
>JPI (bad memories last long), I'm not interested in them anymore.
>
>Since I needed to rearrange my panel to stay with a supported product, I
>bought an AFS3400EM - which fit in the space that I had. So far, I'm very
>happy with it!
>
>This means that I have a bunch of VM1000 parts that were installed but
>never flown:
>
>Oil pressure sender (with Hirschmann connector)
>Oil temp sender
>Injection fuel pressure sender (with Hirschmann connector)
>Fuel Flow sensor
>Tach sensor for Slick Mag
>EGT thermocouples
>CHT thermocouples
>Amp sensor
>Manifold pressure sensor (PC Board portion and filter fitting)
>Display
>Brain box
>
>I would prefer that these parts go to folks that are trying to keep a
>vintage VM1000 alive instead of pushing the lot to someone - and make them
>deal with JPI.
>
>Contact me direct.
>Ralph
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Support discontinued: VM1000, now VM1000C also |
Rick,
My issues started right about the same time VMS was silently being acquired
by JPI.
I was considering upgrading to a VM1000C as I wanted color and a couple of
new features...never got a direct response from them. Then the backlighting
on my VM1000 started going fritzy (work OK, then quit, etc). They announced
they were being bought - still no response. Repeated e-mail requests and
phone calls provided no response. Then they announced no more support for
the VM1000 - with no upgrade for me...I had found out that the new system
had a different footprint that would require a complete panel rework. Now
with them discontinuing support for their VM1000C in favor of the VMS1000C
with grounded JPI sensors - kinda brings back the memories of how JPI really
is.....I haven't had my first flight yet and they've gone back on the
original warranty that I got when I bought it.
Vision Microsystems was a pretty good company with pretty good stuff - I've
found something better, they've found something worse. I didn't really get
any info from them directly, it was the lack of response that turned me
off - even after the transition to JPI had completed.
Now I have color - sunlight readable, data capture and storage, more
features, and it fits in the remaining space in my panel.
Good luck with your unit - I have plenty of spare parts....
Ralph
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard McBride" <rickrv8(at)msn.com>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Support discontinued: VM1000, now VM1000C also
>
> Ralph,
>
> I have a VM1000 and although very happy with the product, I'm also
> concerned about future support. I spoke to their representative at
> Oshkosh and was told that they won't be doing any more upgrades to the
> VM1000 but will continue to provide support. I'm not sure if this is
> accurate especially since they are transistioning to JPI sensors. I
> curious what information you received.
>
> Rick McBride
> RV-8
>
>
>>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: rv-list
>>Subject: RV-List: Support discontinued: VM1000, now VM1000C also
>>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:43:08 -0400 (EDT)
>>
>>
>>
>>I had heard that they were discontinuing support on the original VM1000 in
>>favor of the VM1000C - now they're gonna ditch that one too in favor of
>>the VMS1000C - with JPI grounded sensors. The VM1000C has a different
>>footprint - so I couldn't swap it out - and since they've been bought by
>>JPI (bad memories last long), I'm not interested in them anymore.
>>
>>Since I needed to rearrange my panel to stay with a supported product, I
>>bought an AFS3400EM - which fit in the space that I had. So far, I'm very
>>happy with it!
>>
>>This means that I have a bunch of VM1000 parts that were installed but
>>never flown:
>>
>>Oil pressure sender (with Hirschmann connector)
>>Oil temp sender
>>Injection fuel pressure sender (with Hirschmann connector)
>>Fuel Flow sensor
>>Tach sensor for Slick Mag
>>EGT thermocouples
>>CHT thermocouples
>>Amp sensor
>>Manifold pressure sensor (PC Board portion and filter fitting)
>>Display
>>Brain box
>>
>>I would prefer that these parts go to folks that are trying to keep a
>>vintage VM1000 alive instead of pushing the lot to someone - and make them
>>deal with JPI.
>>
>>Contact me direct.
>>Ralph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Doug Medema" <doug.medema(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Gear legs rusting in mounts |
I recently removed my gear legs and found them to be
corroded at
the points they go into the mounts, especially the lower
collar.
I have since stripped, sanded, acid etched, conversion
coated,
primed, and painted the legs and am ready to reinstall them.
Since
you can't paint over the places with close tolerances, they
will just
rust again unless I do something to protect them. I was
thinking
of just putting a good layer of grease on them, but am
wondering
if anybody else has a better idea.
Again, this is just on the two areas that make contact with
the
gear mounts. All the rest of it is protected.
Thanks,
Doug Medema
RV-6A N276DM down for painting after 170 hours.
Date: 8/20/2007 1:08 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Gear legs rusting in mounts |
In a message dated 8/20/2007 10:02:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
doug.medema(at)comcast.net writes:
I recently removed my gear legs and found them to be corroded at
the points they go into the mounts, especially the lower collar.
I have since stripped, sanded, acid etched, conversion coated,
primed, and painted the legs and am ready to reinstall them. Since
you can't paint over the places with close tolerances, they will just
rust again unless I do something to protect them. I was thinking
of just putting a good layer of grease on them, but am wondering
if anybody else has a better idea.
Again, this is just on the two areas that make contact with the
gear mounts. All the rest of it is protected.
===========================================================
I used one of the corrosion resisting sprays applied just as I installed
them in late '97. I've forgotten which LPS product I used and I haven't removed
the mains since installed, but I did retrofit my nose gear a few years back
and the old one came out easy and looked fine for its age.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 864hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Settle <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gear legs rusting in mounts |
I've used this in the past with good results...
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/corrosionx.php
>
> From: "Doug Medema" <doug.medema(at)comcast.net>
> Date: 2007/08/20 Mon PM 11:59:34 EST
> To:
> Subject: RV-List: Gear legs rusting in mounts
>
> I recently removed my gear legs and found them to be
> corroded at
> the points they go into the mounts, especially the lower
> collar.
> I have since stripped, sanded, acid etched, conversion
> coated,
> primed, and painted the legs and am ready to reinstall them.
> Since
> you can't paint over the places with close tolerances, they
> will just
> rust again unless I do something to protect them. I was
> thinking
> of just putting a good layer of grease on them, but am
> wondering
> if anybody else has a better idea.
>
> Again, this is just on the two areas that make contact with
> the
> gear mounts. All the rest of it is protected.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug Medema
> RV-6A N276DM down for painting after 170 hours.
>
>
> Date: 8/20/2007 1:08 PM
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard McBride" <rickrv8(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Support discontinued: VM1000, now VM1000C also |
That's what I've been afraid of. I hope the unit keeps working. My fuel
flow sometimes comes and goes but tightening the sensor screws seems to
help. My plane's only a couple of years old but the panel was designed and
built before all the great new glass instrumentation. If the 1000 goes
belly up it may be incentive for an entire panel rebuild. Thanks for the
feedback.
Rick McBride
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Support discontinued: VM1000, now VM1000C also
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:41:10 -0400
>
>
>Rick,
>
>My issues started right about the same time VMS was silently being acquired
>by JPI.
>I was considering upgrading to a VM1000C as I wanted color and a couple of
>new features...never got a direct response from them. Then the
>backlighting on my VM1000 started going fritzy (work OK, then quit, etc).
>They announced they were being bought - still no response. Repeated e-mail
>requests and phone calls provided no response. Then they announced no more
>support for the VM1000 - with no upgrade for me...I had found out that the
>new system had a different footprint that would require a complete panel
>rework. Now with them discontinuing support for their VM1000C in favor of
>the VMS1000C with grounded JPI sensors - kinda brings back the memories of
>how JPI really is.....I haven't had my first flight yet and they've gone
>back on the original warranty that I got when I bought it.
>
>Vision Microsystems was a pretty good company with pretty good stuff - I've
>found something better, they've found something worse. I didn't really get
>any info from them directly, it was the lack of response that turned me off
>- even after the transition to JPI had completed.
>
>Now I have color - sunlight readable, data capture and storage, more
>features, and it fits in the remaining space in my panel.
>
>Good luck with your unit - I have plenty of spare parts....
>
>Ralph
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard McBride" <rickrv8(at)msn.com>
>To:
>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:22 PM
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Support discontinued: VM1000, now VM1000C also
>
>
>>
>>Ralph,
>>
>>I have a VM1000 and although very happy with the product, I'm also
>>concerned about future support. I spoke to their representative at
>>Oshkosh and was told that they won't be doing any more upgrades to the
>>VM1000 but will continue to provide support. I'm not sure if this is
>>accurate especially since they are transistioning to JPI sensors. I
>>curious what information you received.
>>
>>Rick McBride
>>RV-8
>>
>>
>>>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>>>Reply-To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>>>To: rv-list
>>>Subject: RV-List: Support discontinued: VM1000, now VM1000C also
>>>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:43:08 -0400 (EDT)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I had heard that they were discontinuing support on the original VM1000
>>>in favor of the VM1000C - now they're gonna ditch that one too in favor
>>>of the VMS1000C - with JPI grounded sensors. The VM1000C has a different
>>>footprint - so I couldn't swap it out - and since they've been bought by
>>>JPI (bad memories last long), I'm not interested in them anymore.
>>>
>>>Since I needed to rearrange my panel to stay with a supported product, I
>>>bought an AFS3400EM - which fit in the space that I had. So far, I'm
>>>very happy with it!
>>>
>>>This means that I have a bunch of VM1000 parts that were installed but
>>>never flown:
>>>
>>>Oil pressure sender (with Hirschmann connector)
>>>Oil temp sender
>>>Injection fuel pressure sender (with Hirschmann connector)
>>>Fuel Flow sensor
>>>Tach sensor for Slick Mag
>>>EGT thermocouples
>>>CHT thermocouples
>>>Amp sensor
>>>Manifold pressure sensor (PC Board portion and filter fitting)
>>>Display
>>>Brain box
>>>
>>>I would prefer that these parts go to folks that are trying to keep a
>>>vintage VM1000 alive instead of pushing the lot to someone - and make
>>>them deal with JPI.
>>>
>>>Contact me direct.
>>>Ralph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FS: Perfect Garmin GPSMAP 296 |
| From: | "Snow, Daniel A." <Daniel.Snow(at)wancdf.com> |
$1000 plus shipping. Email me direct at daniel.snow(at)wancdf.com for
details.
Thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Gear legs rusting in mounts |
| From: | James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com> |
Doug,
Here in the south with the salt air I would recommend using
"anti-seize" compound like you use on your spark plugs. If the steel is
clean, the anti-seize will protect it from rust. Be very careful as the
stuff will "travel" if you get it on you and don't clean it off. Its
hard to clean off once its on something. You can use either the "silver"
colored or the "copper" colored anti-seize. The copper stuff is higher
temp rated.
Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Gear legs rusting in mounts |
My legs have been sitting down in -- what used to be -- the family room
(becoming a family room again now that I'm moving stuff to the hangar). On
Saturday I picked them up off the rug and had two real nice rust stains on
the carpet where the bottom of the legs (un powdercoated) had been sitting
for a year. Can't get the rust off the carpet, but I sanded the legs and
then just rubbed 3-in-1 all over them like I should've done before.
Anyway, couldn't you just oil down the parts?
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Gear legs rusting in mounts
In a message dated 8/20/2007 10:02:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
doug.medema(at)comcast.net writes:
I recently removed my gear legs and found them to be corroded at
the points they go into the mounts, especially the lower collar.
I have since stripped, sanded, acid etched, conversion coated,
primed, and painted the legs and am ready to reinstall them. Since
you can't paint over the places with close tolerances, they will just
rust again unless I do something to protect them. I was thinking
of just putting a good layer of grease on them, but am wondering
if anybody else has a better idea.
Again, this is just on the two areas that make contact with the
gear mounts. All the rest of it is protected.
==================================
I used one of the corrosion resisting sprays applied just as I installed
them in late '97. I've forgotten which LPS product I used and I haven't
removed the mains since installed, but I did retrofit my nose gear a few
years back and the old one came out easy and looked fine for its age.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 864hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
_____
AOL.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | PeterHunt1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Tail wheel question |
I just purchased the 6" double fork tail wheel from Aviation Products, Inc.
to give me increased clearance over Van's tail wheel. It appears to have a
vertical pilot hole which I must use to drill a new vertical hole through the
tailspring onto which it mounts.
1. Are there any tricks/suggestions for drilling this hole?
2. Can this be easily and accurately done with the tailspring still
installed on the airplane?
3. Is the one vertical hole adequate or should I try to match up the two
horizontal holes which Vans has in their tailspring and drill them too?
I understand many of you have installed this upgrade tail wheel and I would
appreciate hearing of your experience.
Further, the new tail wheel weighs 5 pounds (bathroom scale). I haven't
removed my Van's tail wheel yet, but suspect the new one is heavier and will
change my CG. Any thoughts?
Pete in Clearwater
RV-6 tip-up with all electric panel
2006 SnF Reserve Grand Champion - Kit
2007 SnF Outstanding Aircraft Award - Homebuilt
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel question |
I match drilled the horizontal holes instead.
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2006/04/tailwheel_upgra.html
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
On 8/21/07, PeterHunt1(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> I just purchased the 6" double fork tail wheel from Aviation Products,
> Inc. to give me increased clearance over Van's tail wheel. It appears to
> have a vertical pilot hole which I must use to drill a new vertical hole
> through the tailspring onto which it mounts.
>
> 1. Are there any tricks/suggestions for drilling this hole?
>
> 2. Can this be easily and accurately done with the tailspring still
> installed on the airplane?
>
> 3. Is the one vertical hole adequate or should I try to match up the two
> horizontal holes which Vans has in their tailspring and drill them too?
>
> I understand many of you have installed this upgrade tail wheel and I
> would appreciate hearing of your experience.
>
> Further, the new tail wheel weighs 5 pounds (bathroom scale). I haven't
> removed my Van's tail wheel yet, but suspect the new one is heavier and will
> change my CG. Any thoughts?
>
> Pete in Clearwater
> RV-6 tip-up with all electric panel
> 2006 SnF Reserve Grand Champion - Kit
> 2007 SnF Outstanding Aircraft Award - Homebuilt
>
>
> ------------------------------
> .
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Orndorff classes / electronic solenoids |
Again, Becki, welcome to North Carolina. I'm going to have to fly up
and see you and George again - been a long time since I first met you
both up at the Fredricksburg, Maryland RV flyin days.
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Becki
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: RV-List: Orndorff classes / electronic solenoids
Good morning all! Hope you are enjoying this bright shiny day! We
wanted to let everyone know that we are settled in our new home and back
in business. Thanks to all for their patience while we made this move.
We have scheduled sheet metal working classes this fall for
October 13-14, November 10-11, December 8-9.
We also have a limited number of electronic solenoids for engine
fuel primer systems. They are $15 while supplies last.
Please email or give us a call if we can help you with these or any
other items or services that we offer. Thanks!
Becki Orndorff
GeoBeck, Inc.
704-707-4845
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SCOTT SPENCER <aerokinetic(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gear legs rusting in mounts |
Doug,
Get yourself some Par-al-Ketone... it usually comes in a can with a bear on it,
and you can get it from Spruce or any of the usual suspects (I prefer Wicks).
It is an anti-corrosion agent commonly used in control cables. It comes out
of the can as a slippery brown liquid with a viscosity similar to a very thick
oil and 'dries' to a fairly soft waxy pariffinic film that won't come off on
your hands but will deliver superb protection. It is *the* answer to your needs.
It can be removed or thinned with Mineral Spirits and easily comes loose when
needed to. It is safe on virtually all surfaces and isn't any more toxic than
oil. Super handy stuff. Been using it for years. Put my wing bolts, gear legs
and other items in 'wet' with it. They will never corrode. Ever. I'm convinced.
There are other agents with similar properties, but this is easily found
and all you need. It's cheap and one can will last you forever. You can even
use it for conditioner after shampooing for silky
smooth hair... okay... maybe not.
Scott
N4ZW
A&P 17 years for what it's worth.
>>>>In a message dated 8/20/2007 10:02:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
doug.medema(at)comcast.net writes:
I recently removed my gear legs and found them to be corroded at
the points they go into the mounts, especially the lower collar.
I have since stripped, sanded, acid etched, conversion coated,
primed, and painted the legs and am ready to reinstall them.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew Olech" <olechap(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Control cable proximity to exhaust pipes |
Does anyone have a rule of thumb for min distance between the following:
1. Control cable unprotected to bare exhaust pipe
2. Control cable firesleeved to bare exhaust
3. Control cable firesleeved to aluminum heat shield stand-off
I guess I'd like to know if (3) could actually come in contact with the heat
shield and if I'd still be ok
Thanks!
Andy
RV-7 FWF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Gear legs rusting in mounts |
Hi crew-
>... I would recommend using
>"anti-seize" compound like you use on your spark plugs. ...
Please be mindful of the fact that graphite, the useful ingredient in the
grey spark plug anti-seize, is corrosive to aluminum.
FWIW-
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | tailwheel problem...solved |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
*******************SNIP Subject: RV-List: Tail wheel question
I just purchased the 6" double fork tail wheel from Aviation Products,
Inc.
to give me increased clearance over Van's tail wheel. It appears to
have a vertical pilot hole which I must use to drill a new vertical hole
through the
tailspring onto which it mounts.
1. Are there any tricks/suggestions for drilling this hole?
2. Can this be easily and accurately done with the tailspring still
installed on the airplane?
3. Is the one vertical hole adequate or should I try to match up the
two horizontal holes which Vans has in their tailspring and drill them
too?
I understand many of you have installed this upgrade tail wheel and I
would appreciate hearing of your experience.
Further, the new tail wheel weighs 5 pounds (bathroom scale). I
haven't removed my Van's tail wheel yet, but suspect the new one is
heavier and will change my CG. Any thoughts?
Pete SNIP************************
Peter,
Before you drill any new holes for a new tailwheel, please take a look
at mine. It will retrofit into a Van's socket in 5 minutes with no
drilling whatsoever. A direct replacement. It weighs virtually the
same as the Van's unit, within 1/2 ounce by my scale.
My tailwheels have better clearance than the Van's, better handling, and
a smaller frontal area than other units. You can even install a
wheelpant on mine (see the website) and it will still full swivel as
designed.
My product was originally designed to meet the needs of the F1 and HRII
Rockets. It works equally well on the RV brethren. Over 90 of mine are
out there now and I have them IN STOCK for quick delivery.
Thanks,
Vince Frazier
Screaming Eagle Graphics and Accessories, LLC
3965 Caborn Road
Mount Vernon, IN 47620
812-464-1839
http://vincesrocket.com/products.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Gear legs rusting in mounts |
In a message dated 8/22/2007 6:14:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net writes:
>... I would recommend using
>"anti-seize" compound like you use on your spark plugs. ...
Please be mindful of the fact that graphite, the useful ingredient in the
grey spark plug anti-seize, is corrosive to aluminum.
=================================================
For different types of anti-seize compounds and their uses see
_http://www.lub-o-seal.com_ (http://www.lub-o-seal.com)
They can recommend the right material for the application.
GV (RV-6A N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 864hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Control cable proximity to exhaust pipes |
| From: | "Puckett, Gregory [DENTK]" <Greg.Puckett(at)united.com> |
Hi Andy,
My throttle cable came within ~1/4" of the exhaust pipe. I added the
standard heat shield and as shipped, the heat shield just touched the
cable. I squashed the mounting ear of the heat shield to make its
profile lower and there was then a slight gap between the shield and the
un-fire sleeved cable. I then added fire sleeve which just touched the
shield.
After about 125 hrs, absolutely no problem. There is no visual
indication on the fire sleeve that it is getting too hot. I've not taken
the fire sleeve off to see what the green cable sheath looks like but,
there is no throttle binding at all.
Greg Puckett
Elizabeth, CO
RV-8 N881GP
Does anyone have a rule of thumb for min distance between the following:
1. Control cable unprotected to bare exhaust pipe
2. Control cable firesleeved to bare exhaust
3. Control cable firesleeved to aluminum heat shield stand-off
I guess I'd like to know if (3) could actually come in contact with the
heat
shield and if I'd still be ok
Thanks!
Andy
RV-7 FWF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "robert stone" <rstone4(at)hot.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Small amount needed |
Members,
I know RV aircraft are all metal but some parts must be fiberglass
so I am asking if any of you have some medium weight cloth, polyester
resin, and hardner left over just sitting around I could use about one
square foot and an ounce or two of resin and hardner. I will pay what
ever you think fair for materials and shipping.
Bob Stone
4214 Lakecliff Drive
Harker Heights, Tx
76548-8611
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Greg Williams" <mr.gsun+rv-list(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: tailwheel problem...solved |
Vince, Any difference in the lubrication schedule for yours? Seems I'm
always taking my Van's tailwheel apart for cleaning. After it gets dirt &
dust on it after a while, it doesn't hold in the straight ahead position.
Is there a zirk fitting for lubing it? Where would I get a wheel pant for
it? How many hours should I get out of a stock tailwheel tire with "novice
style landing/bounces"? Greg
On 8/22/07, Frazier, Vincent A wrote:
>
>
> *******************SNIP Subject: RV-List: Tail wheel question
>
> I just purchased the 6" double fork tail wheel from Aviation Products,
> Inc.
> to give me increased clearance over Van's tail wheel. It appears to
> have a vertical pilot hole which I must use to drill a new vertical hole
> through the
>
> tailspring onto which it mounts.
>
> 1. Are there any tricks/suggestions for drilling this hole?
>
> 2. Can this be easily and accurately done with the tailspring still
> installed on the airplane?
>
> 3. Is the one vertical hole adequate or should I try to match up the
> two horizontal holes which Vans has in their tailspring and drill them
> too?
>
> I understand many of you have installed this upgrade tail wheel and I
> would appreciate hearing of your experience.
>
> Further, the new tail wheel weighs 5 pounds (bathroom scale). I
> haven't removed my Van's tail wheel yet, but suspect the new one is
> heavier and will change my CG. Any thoughts?
>
> Pete SNIP************************
>
> Peter,
>
> Before you drill any new holes for a new tailwheel, please take a look
> at mine. It will retrofit into a Van's socket in 5 minutes with no
> drilling whatsoever. A direct replacement. It weighs virtually the
> same as the Van's unit, within 1/2 ounce by my scale.
>
> My tailwheels have better clearance than the Van's, better handling, and
> a smaller frontal area than other units. You can even install a
> wheelpant on mine (see the website) and it will still full swivel as
> designed.
>
> My product was originally designed to meet the needs of the F1 and HRII
> Rockets. It works equally well on the RV brethren. Over 90 of mine are
> out there now and I have them IN STOCK for quick delivery.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vince Frazier
> Screaming Eagle Graphics and Accessories, LLC
> 3965 Caborn Road
> Mount Vernon, IN 47620
> 812-464-1839
> http://vincesrocket.com/products.htm
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chuck Weyant" <chuck(at)chuckdirect.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Support discontinued: VM1000, now VM1000C also |
What you asking for the lot?
Chuck RV10 and building...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: RV-List: Support discontinued: VM1000, now VM1000C also
>
>
> I had heard that they were discontinuing support on the original VM1000 in
> favor of the VM1000C - now they're gonna ditch that one too in favor of
> the VMS1000C - with JPI grounded sensors. The VM1000C has a different
> footprint - so I couldn't swap it out - and since they've been bought by
> JPI (bad memories last long), I'm not interested in them anymore.
>
> Since I needed to rearrange my panel to stay with a supported product, I
> bought an AFS3400EM - which fit in the space that I had. So far, I'm very
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