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      of date. excessive heat and time will screwup  proseal still in the can.
      since this is a quick build with only 5 hrs on it. i would be requesting two
      new tanks since the other was probably built with the same bad proseal. and
      a payment for the cost of painting. remember all of the material for the q
      biuld are shipped ocean cargo to the pi. and without climate controlls on
      the container. it is quite possible that the material saw in excess of 150
      degrees inside the container.
      
      please tell us what happens, if vans does not stand behind thier q builds it
      might be a good time to have the local faa give them a chat. 
      
      i have repaired more of this type of tank then you can shake a stick at, so
      call me if you have to do it yourself. be happy to help with advice.
      
      ps 
      i am replacing the bonded doublers on a exec helicopter rotor blades right
      now , it is my thought that the epoxy used was probably out of date and
      failed as a result. having way to much fun removing it.
      
      rick miller 
      559-270-7113
      a+p, i/a
      
      
      --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Doug Morrison <rv8a.doug@net-lynx.com> wrote:
      
      
From: Doug Morrison <rv8a.doug@net-lynx.com>
Subject: Re: Leaking QB Tanks
Date: - - - , 20-
Gentlemen, This problem is not just related to the relatively new quick-build tanks. Last week I found the same problem with one of the fuel tanks on an RV-4 (1993) I recently purchased. The previous owner (original builder) repaired a small leak in the tank a few years ago and is very confident that the pro-seal he applied was done correctly. We were both very surprised to find most of the pro-seal on the lower portion of the tank soft and gooey. The pro-seal on the upper portion of the tank is still hard. Another local builder had the same problem with one of his -8 QB tanks. It appears that this is a somewhat common problem on tanks that have been leaking for an extended period of time. I found the following comments on another RV list: The proseal on my lhs wing inner rib has gone totally sticky [can smear it off with a finger] after flying with a leaking tank for 2 months. The wings are quickbuilt and the inspection cover was leaking. Avgas has leaked onto the factory applied proseal on the bottom of the inner rib. [just below the cover] I queried this with Vans and they said that the blue dye in avgas and oxygen cause the proseal to soften. I cannot argue with them, but they couldnt explain why this happened. The proseal that did not have fuel leaking on it is ok. I know I should have attended to the leak sooner, but flying was more important at the time. Had I known I would have taken care of it sooner. What I still dont understand is why the proseal went totally soft. Can anyone explain ?? Gus at Vans said that there are no fuel fumes on the outside of the tank, so as the fuel drips onto the proseal, it evaporates and leaves the blue dye behind. This will lead to the proseal becoming soft and sticky and resembles uncured proseal. At least this is how I understand it. I asked how its possible because it is a fuel sealer, and he said they are not quite sure. Basically they say its my fault, [which I wont dispute as the inspection cover had weeped fuel for 2 months] ,but i still would like a technical explanation why this happened.[ie why the proseal softened] Either way I have to sort it out. It is the bead of proseal from the leading edge to the rear spar on the outside of the inner rib that has gone soft. I've seen this on a re-seal job that was done on our Cessna Cardinal. I scraped it all out of our tanks and reapplied with new/good proseal. That is NOT normal, don't believe Van's on this one. Vans has been promising to speak to their supplier to get me the facts. I have been patiently waiting for a answer ,but none yet. The clearly told me they mixed it correctly and that it was my fault it went soft.[fuel shouldnt leak on it] I dont want to make a issue about it, but feel a bit short changed at the moment. Vans has always been great about sorting out issues. I wonder why they are avoiding this one ?? As I said before, if its my fault ,so be it. However everyone I speak to says its not, and Vans doesnt seem to agree. My plan is to gently scrape & wipe off the soft stuff, scratch up the aluminum surface, and re-apply fresh pro-seal I purchased from Van's. Regards, Doug Morrison RV-4 (N818WW) RV-8A (N666NJ Reserved) (In the process of converting to a -8) Larry Pardue wrote: "mailto:n5lp(at)warpdriveonline.com" \n On Aug 3, 2008, at 3:09 PM, James H Nelson wrote: "mailto:rv9jim(at)juno.com" \n List: I have a QB RV9-A and I have a leaking left tank. The unusual part is- the pro seal is softening with the 100LL. On the spar end of the last rib, the leak begins about half the way down and around the bottom and almost to the leading edge. The pro seal is soft enough to act like grease. You can wipe it from the aluminum skin. Not firm and stiff like it is suppose to...Has any others had the same problem? Exactly what happened to my quick-build tank. Pictures here HYPERLINK "http:///" \nhttp:// HYPERLINK "http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=26159&highlight=seal ant" \nwww.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=26159&highlight=sealant D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= Checked by AVG. 12:00 PM Checked by AVG. 12:00 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brian Meyette" <bmeyette(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Leaking QB Tanks
Date: Aug 04, 2008
I'm not disputing what you're saying, but it seems rather out of line for a fuel sealer to not work with mogas. I'm sure lots of RVs are flying with all or partial mogas. I guess I'd better test this, as I plan to use mogas -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Leaking QB Tanks Any chance mogas was used in any of these tanks? I've seen Proseal reduced to jelly/peanut butter by mogas. Doug Morrison wrote: > Gentlemen, > > This problem is not just related to the relatively new quick-build > tanks. Last week I found the same problem with one of the fuel tanks > on an RV-4 (1993) I recently purchased. The previous owner (original > builder) repaired a small leak in the tank a few years ago and is very > confident that the pro-seal he applied was done correctly. We were > both very surprised to find most of the pro-seal on the lower portion > of the tank soft and gooey. The pro-seal on the upper portion of the > tank is still hard. Another local builder had the same problem with > one of his -8 QB tanks. It appears that this is a somewhat common > problem on tanks that have been leaking for an extended period of > time. I found the following comments on another RV list: > > The proseal on my lhs wing inner rib has gone totally sticky [can > smear it off with a finger] after flying with a leaking tank for 2 > months. The wings are quickbuilt and the inspection cover was leaking. > Avgas has leaked onto the factory applied proseal on the bottom of the > inner rib. [just below the cover] I queried this with Vans and they > said that the blue dye in avgas and oxygen cause the proseal to > soften. I cannot argue with them, but they couldnt explain why this > happened. > The proseal that did not have fuel leaking on it is ok. > I know I should have attended to the leak sooner, but flying was more > important at the time. Had I known I would have taken care of it sooner. > What I still dont understand is why the proseal went totally soft. Can > anyone explain ?? > > Gus at Vans said that there are no fuel fumes on the outside of the > tank, so as the fuel drips onto the proseal, it evaporates and leaves > the blue dye behind. This will lead to the proseal becoming soft and > sticky and resembles uncured proseal. At least this is how I > understand it. > I asked how its possible because it is a fuel sealer, and he said they > are not quite sure. > Basically they say its my fault, [which I wont dispute as the > inspection cover had weeped fuel for 2 months] ,but i still would like > a technical explanation why this happened.[ie why the proseal > softened] Either way I have to sort it out. > It is the bead of proseal from the leading edge to the rear spar on > the outside of the inner rib that has gone soft. > > I've seen this on a re-seal job that was done on our Cessna Cardinal. > I scraped it all out of our tanks and reapplied with new/good proseal. > That is NOT normal, don't believe Van's on this one. > > Vans has been promising to speak to their supplier to get me the > facts. I have been patiently waiting for a answer ,but none yet. The > clearly told me they mixed it correctly and that it was my fault it > went soft.[fuel shouldnt leak on it] I dont want to make a issue about > it, but feel a bit short changed at the moment. Vans has always been > great about sorting out issues. I wonder why they are avoiding this > one ?? > As I said before, if its my fault ,so be it. However everyone I speak > to says its not, and Vans doesnt seem to agree. > > > My plan is to gently scrape & wipe off the soft stuff, scratch up the > aluminum surface, and re-apply fresh pro-seal I purchased from Van's. > > Regards, > > Doug Morrison > > RV-4 (N818WW) > RV-8A (N666NJ Reserved) (In the process of converting to a -8) > > > Larry Pardue wrote: >> --> >> >> >> On Aug 3, 2008, at 3:09 PM, James H Nelson wrote: >> >>> >>> List: >>> I have a QB RV9-A and I have a leaking left tank. The unusual part >>> is- >>> the pro seal is softening with the 100LL. On the spar end of the >>> last rib, the leak begins about half the way down and around the >>> bottom and almost to the leading edge. The pro seal is soft enough >>> to act like grease. You can wipe it from the aluminum skin. Not >>> firm and stiff like it is suppose to...Has any others had the same problem? >> >> Exactly what happened to my quick-build tank. Pictures here http:// >> www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=26159&highlight=seala >> nt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG. 12:00 PM Checked by AVG. 12:00 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Leaking QB Tanks
Date: Aug 04, 2008
John, I think you mean polysulfide not polysulfate. Dale Ensing ----- Original Message ----- From: John Cox To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Leaking QB Tanks Repeating something posted a long time ago. ProSeal is a trademarked nam e and is often generically used in conversation to identify tank sealant(mu ch like Scotch Tape or Kleenex). The product is PolySulfate Thixotrophic. Most of the stuff Van's sells is sealant but is not ProSeal. ProSeal come s in scores of product viscosities of A, B and C and various temperature an d adhesion formulations (which are numbered). When Kelly mentions proseal turning to putty, it was probably Flamemaster and was not formulated for MOGAS. I am confident I can find a Desoto "Pro Seal" T which can withstand MOGAS. I will do some research and do a trial on the stuff. There has been poor reporting on what products will hold up to MOGAS. Fixing a leaking tank is a serious enough issue to get to the root and re mediate. John Cox From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Morrison Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 7:37 PM To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Leaking QB Tanks List, I'll use Richard's message to answer his and John's, Kelly's, & Kevin's. Remember the comment in red below are from a Vansairforce.net thread. They are not my comments. 1) Use of a plastic scraper and MEK to remove the soft pro-seal sounds li ke a good idea. 2) I am fairly confident that oil additives and mogas have never been use d in my -4 (circa 1993) or my friends -8 QB. The only commonality is that t he tanks were leaking for an extended period of time. 3) The previous owner of my -4 is fairly confident that the pro-seal he u sed was fresh and mixed in the proper ratio. 4) The pro-seal on the QB tanks of the -8A I have under construction is f ull cured. Only time will tell if the pro-seal will soften up when exposed to fuel in the tank. 5) I am very satisfied with the workmanship of my -8A QB. If the tanks be gin to leak due to outdated pro-seal used at the time of manufacturer, I wi ll fix the problem and move on. Of course I will advise Van's of the proble m so they can revise their manufacture procedure and hopefully prevent the problem in the future. To be safe, I will probably fill the tanks with fuel (with the tanks off the wing) and let them sit for a few months before I b egin painting and final assembly. Any leaks or pro-seal softening should sh ow up during that time. As far as I am concerned, the -8A kit is a real bargain, even with the in evitable anomalies. Each of you will have to decide if you want to press th e issue with Van's. Personally, I am prepared to accept a few minor problem s and just move on. Also, getting the FAA involved would be the last thing I would do. Thanks for everyone's comments. Regards, Doug Morrison RICHARD MILLER wrote: proseal applied and cured per the spec does not disolve with 100ll. so what happened. are you using marvel mystry oil. or any other fuel additive. if not i would have to think that the proseal was stored improperl y or out of date. excessive heat and time will screwup proseal still in th e can. since this is a quick build with only 5 hrs on it. i would be reques ting two new tanks since the other was probably built with the same bad pro seal. and a payment for the cost of painting. remember all of the material for the q biuld are shipped ocean cargo to the pi. and without climate cont rolls on the container. it is quite possible that the material saw in exces s of 150 degrees inside the container. please tell us what happens, if vans does not stand behind thier q builds it might be a good time to have the local faa give them a chat. i have repaired more of this type of tank then you can shake a stic k at, so call me if you have to do it yourself. be happy to help with advic e. ps i am replacing the bonded doublers on a exec helicopter rotor blade s right now , it is my thought that the epoxy used was probably out of date and failed as a result. having way to much fun removing it. rick miller 559-270-7113 a+p, i/a --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Doug Morrison <rv8a.doug@net-lynx.com> wrote: From: Doug Morrison <rv8a.doug@net-lynx.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: Leaking QB Tanks To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 4:41 PM Gentlemen, This problem is not just related to the relatively new quick-buil d tanks. Last week I found the same problem with one of the fuel tanks on a n RV-4 (1993) I recently purchased. The previous owner (original builder) r epaired a small leak in the tank a few years ago and is very confident that the pro-seal he applied was done correctly. We were both very surprised to find most of the pro-seal on the lower portion of the tank soft and gooey. The pro-seal on the upper portion of the tank is still hard. Another local builder had the same problem with one of his -8 QB tanks. It appears that this is a somewhat common problem on tanks that have been leaking for an ex tended period of time. I found the following comments on another RV list: The proseal on my lhs wing inner rib has gone totally sticky [can smear it off with a finger] after flying with a leaking tank for 2 months. The wings are quickbuilt and the inspection cover was leaking. Avgas has l eaked onto the factory applied proseal on the bottom of the inner rib. [jus t below the cover] I queried this with Vans and they said that the blue dye in avgas and oxygen cause the proseal to soften. I cannot argue with them, but they couldnt explain why this happened. The proseal that did not have fuel leaking on it is ok. I know I should have attended to the leak sooner, but flying was more important at the time. Had I known I would have taken care of it soone r. What I still dont understand is why the proseal went totally soft . Can anyone explain ?? Gus at Vans said that there are no fuel fumes on the outside of t he tank, so as the fuel drips onto the proseal, it evaporates and leaves th e blue dye behind. This will lead to the proseal becoming soft and sticky a nd resembles uncured proseal. At least this is how I understand it. I asked how its possible because it is a fuel sealer, and he said they are not quite sure. Basically they say its my fault, [which I wont dispute as the ins pection cover had weeped fuel for 2 months] ,but i still would like a techn ical explanation why this happened.[ie why the proseal softened] Either way I have to sort it out. It is the bead of proseal from the leading edge to the rear spar on the outside of the inner rib that has gone soft. I've seen this on a re-seal job that was done on our Cessna Cardi nal. I scraped it all out of our tanks and reapplied with new/good proseal. That is NOT normal, don't believe Van's on this one. Vans has been promising to speak to their supplier to get me the facts. I have been patiently waiting for a answer ,but none yet. The clearl y told me they mixed it correctly and that it was my fault it went soft.[fu el shouldnt leak on it] I dont want to make a issue about it, but feel a bit short change d at the moment. Vans has always been great about sorting out issues. I won der why they are avoiding this one ?? As I said before, if its my fault ,so be it. However everyone I s peak to says its not, and Vans doesnt seem to agree. My plan is to gently scrape & wipe off the soft stuff, scratch up the aluminum surface, and re-apply fresh pro-seal I purchased from Van's. Regards, Doug Morrison RV-4 (N818WW) RV-8A (N666NJ Reserved) (In the process of converting to a -8) Larry Pardue wrote: .com> On Aug 3, 2008, at 3:09 PM, James H Nelson wrote: List: I have a QB RV9-A and I have a leaking left tank. The unusual pa rt is- the pro seal is softening with the 100LL. On the spar end of the last rib, the leak begins about half the way down and around the botto m and almost to the leading edge. The pro seal is soft enough to act l ike grease. You can wipe it from the aluminum skin. Not firm and s tiff like it is suppose to...Has any others had the same problem? Exactly what happened to my quick-build tank. Pictures here http: // www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=26159&highlight=seal ant href="3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List%22">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp ://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2008
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Leaking QB Tanks
John, What I was writing about was an older Mooney that had an older product number ProSeal used in the 1961-mid-seventies models before they switched to the current product numbers. I would agree that it wasn't formulated for mogas, as there was little incentive to use mogas when it only cost 20-30 cents less than 80/87 or 100/130. That version was pink in color, with a reddish brown top coat. Most of the current product I've seen is gray in color(after mixing). I'm sure that current variety is much more resistant, as they had to formulate to resist high aromatic concentrations that most gasoline formulas, av or mo have in them today. I'm as mystified as the rest on the problem these quick build tanks are showing. Kelly John Cox wrote: > > Repeating something posted a long time ago. ProSeal is a trademarked > name and is often generically used in conversation to identify tank > sealant(much like Scotch Tape or Kleenex). The product is PolySulfate > Thixotrophic. Most of the stuff Van's sells is sealant but is not > ProSeal. ProSeal comes in scores of product viscosities of A, B and C > and various temperature and adhesion formulations (which are numbered). > > > > When Kelly mentions proseal turning to putty, it was probably > Flamemaster and was not formulated for MOGAS. I am confident I can > find a Desoto "ProSeal" ^(TM) which can withstand MOGAS. I will do > some research and do a trial on the stuff. > > > > There has been poor reporting on what products will hold up to MOGAS. > > > > Fixing a leaking tank is a serious enough issue to get to the root and > remediate. > > > > John Cox > > * > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph Finch" <rgf(at)dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Leaking QB Tanks
Date: Aug 04, 2008
My only experience with aircraft tanks is Ercoupes. In that world they can be sloshed or welded. More and more are getting them welded to avoid any problems with sealant. Is that feasible with RV tanks? Ralph Finch Davis, CA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Neal George" <n8zg(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Leaking QB Tanks
Date: Aug 04, 2008
No sir - RV tanks are skinned with 2024-T3. Not a weldable alloy. neal From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Finch Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Leaking QB Tanks My only experience with aircraft tanks is Ercoupes. In that world they can be sloshed or welded. More and more are getting them welded to avoid any problems with sealant. Is that feasible with RV tanks? Ralph Finch Davis, CA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John McMahon" <rv6(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RV Fly-In (M54) Lebanon,Tn
Date: Aug 04, 2008
Just to inform every one that we are having again this year our RV Fly-In at M54 Lebanon,Tn which is about 20 miles east of Nashville,Tn..Sept 20th and Mike Seager will be here again Sept 19,20,and 21st with the RV7.... You can E-Mail me and I will try to put you on the list...There are 6 slots a day and some are gone already... Thanks John McMahon (RV6 180/CS) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 05, 2008
Subject: Ramona, CA RV-6A N51LW for sale
Socal RVators- Does anyone have intimate knowledge of this plane based at Ramona, CA? Apparently it was finished by Leonard Wilhelm in 1994 in Kansas and it is now owned by Neal Farinholt My Cessna 140 flying buddy is interested and we would like to know if this plane is a good quality construct, before we make the trip down there to see for ourselves. Please respond to me directly. _vanremog(at)aol.com_ (mailto:vanremog(at)aol.com) N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 898hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2008
Subject: Leaking QB Tanks
From: James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com>
Tim, I got my response from Van's and it is the same. The accumulated dye, from evaporation, causes the break down of the sealant when it is exposed to oxygen from the leaks. Having been in the chemical industry (sort of) the dye's that are used are often oil based. I was confused on the first indications of the "blue stuff". It felt like grease and acted like it. Now, having stood back from the problem, the accumulation of dye can have a degrading effect on the "Proseal". My previous aircraft have all used mogas so I was not in the "blue" mode when the leaks occurred. I now have to remove the cover and put some new Proseal inside to stop the leaks. Van's also reminded me to use Proseal on the cover and a bit on the screws to seal it back up. Van's does not use the cork gaskets on their planes. Just enough to squeeze out upon tightening the screws. Not squeezed enough to get cover to tank contact. They say that if you need to remove the cover, the ole putty knife will 'POP' it off. Jim ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Click to compare and save big. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m275YMXfHXPsBxyocOYnO6M0VzgrhIdNYeInezT2i1AOgtF/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Tank Testing
From: "Jerry Cochran" <jerry2dt(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2008
I had to remove both fuel senders and reseal so am testing for integrity. The instructions for testing with a manometer are saying either 2 to 3 inches diff in water levels or 2 feet 3 inches, can't tell which. Before bothering Van's and displaying my ignorance anyone here know the answer for sure? I'd rather not blow my tanks apart, ya know... Thanks all, Jerry Oh, BTW... I would never, repeat NEVER use the supplied rubber gaskets again. I could not figure out why I'd never get a drip on the hangar floor but mysterious fuel streaks down the belly. My hangar mate pointed out that at speed the fuel vents can slightly pressurize the tanks. Fact or fiction? You decide. I took senders out, slathered proseal and replaced. Hopefully fixed. Edit/Delete Message Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196662#196662 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2008
Subject: Leaking QB Tanks
From: James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com>
Hi Brian, I guess there should be an item on our check list to put fuel in the tanks (100LL) for about a week prior to close up and check for leaks. That way we find any leaks and can stop the exposure of the Proseal to the dye on the outside of the tank. The tank only needs to have enough fuel to cover the root rib. Then leaks can be found before you put the wings on. Jim N15JN ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l9deVZIrV8iEpet2FyycrmxVUDl3rErcmB92aT7o5tABXtB/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment...
Listers, Well, the trim tab came out perfect and I'm really pleased with the mating to the Elevator. That being said, I'm less than pleased with the for/aft alignment of the Trim Tab. The Trim Tab hangs past the Elevator trailing edge by about 1/8" of an inch. It is 1/8" along the whole distance of the Trim Tab. In looking at the cause, it appears that the skins are all cut such that you are suppose to use the roundy part of the hinge and not the square cutout when aligning the hinge for drilling. This would account for 1/16" on each side and would add up to the 1/8" overhang I'm seeing. Grrrrrr.... What should I do, fellow builders? I could drill out all the rivets and use a new hinge, and I'm certainly not opposed to that. But am I making too big a deal out of the whole thing? Or is everyone gonna look at it forever and go, "Hey, how come your trim take is too long?" :-( Bummed Out in Livermore Matt RV-8 #82880 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment...
Date: Aug 05, 2008
Hi Bummed out in Livermore, > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:56 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment... > > > Listers, > > Well, the trim tab came out perfect and I'm really pleased with the > mating to the Elevator. That being said, I'm less than pleased with > the for/aft alignment of the Trim Tab. The Trim Tab hangs past the > Elevator trailing edge by about 1/8" of an inch. It is 1/8" along > the whole distance of the Trim Tab. In looking at the cause, it > appears that the skins are all cut such that you are suppose to use > the roundy part of the hinge and not the square cutout when aligning > the hinge for drilling. This would account for 1/16" on each side > and would add up to the 1/8" overhang I'm seeing. Grrrrrr.... > > What should I do, fellow builders? I could drill out all the rivets > and use a new hinge, and I'm certainly not opposed to that. But am I > making too big a deal out of the whole thing? Or is everyone gonna > look at it forever and go, "Hey, how come your trim take is too long?" [Tim] I wouldn't probably even notice. Do you have the intended hinge pin in there? It looks like there is not an alignment of the loops between the two halves as If you had a skinny hinge pin in. Would be easy enough to change the hinge if you felt the need, but it wouldn't be noticeable to me. If this was the worse of your sins when it was all said and done, it would be a champion. Tim Bryan RV-6 Flying N616TB over 100 hours now ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alden D. Van Winkle" <dvanwinkle(at)royell.org>
Subject: Re: Tank Testing
Date: Aug 05, 2008
Jerry The differential is 2 ft 3 inches which equates to approx one PSI. This is what I used for my RV-9A tanks and worked very well. Even with one PSI, you will see a small amount of skin deflection between the tank ribs while pressurized. Also be aware that the differential is very sensitive to temperature changes, even if you have no leaks. Dean Van Winkle dvanwinkle(at)royell.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Cochran" <jerry2dt(at)aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: RV-List: Tank Testing > > I had to remove both fuel senders and reseal so am testing for integrity. The instructions for testing with a manometer are saying either 2 to 3 inches diff in water levels or 2 feet 3 inches, can't tell which. Before bothering Van's and displaying my ignorance anyone here know the answer for sure? I'd rather not blow my tanks apart, ya know... > > Thanks all, > > Jerry > > Oh, BTW... I would never, repeat NEVER use the supplied rubber gaskets again. > I could not figure out why I'd never get a drip on the hangar floor but mysterious fuel streaks down the belly. My hangar mate pointed out that at speed the fuel vents can slightly pressurize the tanks. Fact or fiction? You decide. I took senders out, slathered proseal and replaced. Hopefully fixed. > Edit/Delete Message > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196662#196662 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Subject: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment...
Date: Aug 05, 2008
Are you sure you've got the right size pin in there? The loops don't look like they align right. After that, just set it aside until the end of the project and then see how you feel about it. It's pretty minor and your F-it factor changes over time;-) Regards, Greg Young > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:56 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment... > > > Listers, > > Well, the trim tab came out perfect and I'm really pleased > with the mating to the Elevator. That being said, I'm less > than pleased with the for/aft alignment of the Trim Tab. The > Trim Tab hangs past the Elevator trailing edge by about 1/8" > of an inch. It is 1/8" along the whole distance of the Trim > Tab. In looking at the cause, it appears that the skins are > all cut such that you are suppose to use the roundy part of > the hinge and not the square cutout when aligning the hinge > for drilling. This would account for 1/16" on each side and > would add up to the 1/8" overhang I'm seeing. Grrrrrr.... > > What should I do, fellow builders? I could drill out all the > rivets and use a new hinge, and I'm certainly not opposed to > that. But am I making too big a deal out of the whole thing? > Or is everyone gonna look at it forever and go, "Hey, how > come your trim take is too long?" :-( > > Bummed Out in Livermore > > Matt > RV-8 #82880 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "wskimike" <wskimike(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Tank Testing
Date: Aug 05, 2008
You better have a quality regulator to ensure you only put one PSI in the tank. You can damage the tank with three PSI. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alden D. Van Winkle" <dvanwinkle(at)royell.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Tank Testing > > > Jerry > > The differential is 2 ft 3 inches which equates to approx one PSI. This > is > what I used for my RV-9A tanks and worked very well. Even with one PSI, > you > will see a small amount of skin deflection between the tank ribs while > pressurized. Also be aware that the differential is very sensitive to > temperature changes, even if you have no leaks. > > Dean Van Winkle > dvanwinkle(at)royell.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Cochran" <jerry2dt(at)aol.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:52 AM > Subject: RV-List: Tank Testing > > >> >> I had to remove both fuel senders and reseal so am testing for integrity. > The instructions for testing with a manometer are saying either 2 to 3 > inches diff in water levels or 2 feet 3 inches, can't tell which. Before > bothering Van's and displaying my ignorance anyone here know the answer > for > sure? I'd rather not blow my tanks apart, ya know... >> >> Thanks all, >> >> Jerry >> >> Oh, BTW... I would never, repeat NEVER use the supplied rubber gaskets > again. >> I could not figure out why I'd never get a drip on the hangar floor but > mysterious fuel streaks down the belly. My hangar mate pointed out that at > speed the fuel vents can slightly pressurize the tanks. Fact or fiction? > You > decide. I took senders out, slathered proseal and replaced. Hopefully > fixed. >> Edit/Delete Message >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196662#196662 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2008
From: "Michael D. Cencula" <matronics(at)cencula.com>
Subject: Re: Tank Testing
Jerry, Here's some info on testing the tanks...including the relationship between temperature and pressure: http://www.our7a.com/20070911.html Good luck! Mike Jerry Cochran wrote: > > I had to remove both fuel senders and reseal so am testing for integrity. The instructions for testing with a manometer are saying either 2 to 3 inches diff in water levels or 2 feet 3 inches, can't tell which. Before bothering Van's and displaying my ignorance anyone here know the answer for sure? I'd rather not blow my tanks apart, ya know... > > Thanks all, > > Jerry > > Oh, BTW... I would never, repeat NEVER use the supplied rubber gaskets again. > I could not figure out why I'd never get a drip on the hangar floor but mysterious fuel streaks down the belly. My hangar mate pointed out that at speed the fuel vents can slightly pressurize the tanks. Fact or fiction? You decide. I took senders out, slathered proseal and replaced. Hopefully fixed. > Edit/Delete Message > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196662#196662 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com>
Subject: Re: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment...
Date: Aug 05, 2008
That's so minor that you are the only one that will ever notice it. Functionally it makes no difference whatever. Keep it as is, continue building and if it really bugs you change it after you get the plane in the air....some things are not worth fretting about, and this seems to one of them. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Timothy E. Cone" <tcone1(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Tank Testing
Date: Aug 05, 2008
STOP!!!! Do not hook your tank up to ANY pressure source...I don't care what kind of regulator you have. Fuel tanks and compressed gasses do not go together. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wskimike" <wskimike(at)mchsi.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Tank Testing > > You better have a quality regulator to ensure you only put one PSI in the > tank. You can damage the tank with three PSI. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alden D. Van Winkle" <dvanwinkle(at)royell.org> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Tank Testing > > >> >> >> Jerry >> >> The differential is 2 ft 3 inches which equates to approx one PSI. This >> is >> what I used for my RV-9A tanks and worked very well. Even with one PSI, >> you >> will see a small amount of skin deflection between the tank ribs while >> pressurized. Also be aware that the differential is very sensitive to >> temperature changes, even if you have no leaks. >> >> Dean Van Winkle >> dvanwinkle(at)royell.org >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Cochran" <jerry2dt(at)aol.com> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:52 AM >> Subject: RV-List: Tank Testing >> >> >>> >>> I had to remove both fuel senders and reseal so am testing for >>> integrity. >> The instructions for testing with a manometer are saying either 2 to 3 >> inches diff in water levels or 2 feet 3 inches, can't tell which. Before >> bothering Van's and displaying my ignorance anyone here know the answer >> for >> sure? I'd rather not blow my tanks apart, ya know... >>> >>> Thanks all, >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> Oh, BTW... I would never, repeat NEVER use the supplied rubber gaskets >> again. >>> I could not figure out why I'd never get a drip on the hangar floor but >> mysterious fuel streaks down the belly. My hangar mate pointed out that >> at >> speed the fuel vents can slightly pressurize the tanks. Fact or fiction? >> You >> decide. I took senders out, slathered proseal and replaced. Hopefully >> fixed. >>> Edit/Delete Message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196662#196662 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2008
From: <ronburnett(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment...
Matt, You did an excellent job. I've redone several things on my RV-6A QB and am still not flying after 8 years. As I tell my friends, I strain at knats and swallow camels. I would press on with the next step. Ron Burnett ---- Matt Dralle wrote: ============ Listers, Well, the trim tab came out perfect and I'm really pleased with the mating to the Elevator. That being said, I'm less than pleased with the for/aft alignment of the Trim Tab. The Trim Tab hangs past the Elevator trailing edge by about 1/8" of an inch. It is 1/8" along the whole distance of the Trim Tab. In looking at the cause, it appears that the skins are all cut such that you are suppose to use the roundy part of the hinge and not the square cutout when aligning the hinge for drilling. This would account for 1/16" on each side and would add up to the 1/8" overhang I'm seeing. Grrrrrr.... What should I do, fellow builders? I could drill out all the rivets and use a new hinge, and I'm certainly not opposed to that. But am I making too big a deal out of the whole thing? Or is everyone gonna look at it forever and go, "Hey, how come your trim take is too long?" :-( Bummed Out in Livermore Matt RV-8 #82880 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2008
From: Michael Ice <aurbo(at)ak.net>
Subject: Re: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment...
Matt, Looks good. Don't dwell on the small stuff you will never get done. Mike Ice RV-9, DAR inspection this weekend, test flight soon after ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 11:57 am Subject: RV-List: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment... > > Listers, > > Well, the trim tab came out perfect and I'm really pleased with > the > mating to the Elevator. That being said, I'm less than pleased > with > the for/aft alignment of the Trim Tab. The Trim Tab hangs past > the > Elevator trailing edge by about 1/8" of an inch. It is 1/8" along > the whole distance of the Trim Tab. In looking at the cause, it > appears that the skins are all cut such that you are suppose to > use > the roundy part of the hinge and not the square cutout when > aligning > the hinge for drilling. This would account for 1/16" on each side > and would add up to the 1/8" overhang I'm seeing. Grrrrrr.... > > What should I do, fellow builders? I could drill out all the > rivets > and use a new hinge, and I'm certainly not opposed to that. But > am I > making too big a deal out of the whole thing? Or is everyone > gonna > look at it forever and go, "Hey, how come your trim take is too > long?" :-( > > Bummed Out in Livermore > > Matt > RV-8 #82880 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2008
From: rveighta <rveighta(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Another Fuel Question
I have a strong fuel odor in the cabin of my new RV8 which occurs only during climb attitude. Straight and level, descending and on the ground, there's no gas odor. I've gone over the entire fuel system (wing tanks, vent system, fuel selector valve, boost pump connections, gascolator, fuel pressure transducer, carb connections, mechanical pump connections, etc). I've found a few very small "weeping" connections which have been corrected, but the fuel smell is still there. I have also checked for blue streaks throughout the plane and don't see any. Any help with this annoying problem will sure be appreciated. Thanks, Walt Shipley ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2008
From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment...
Hi Matt how you doing? BTW the trim is very seldom aligned perfectly when you are parked so most likely we would have never known except now you have told us. :-) Jerry Matt Dralle wrote: > > Listers, > > Well, the trim tab came out perfect and I'm really pleased with the > mating to the Elevator. That being said, I'm less than pleased with > the for/aft alignment of the Trim Tab. The Trim Tab hangs past the > Elevator trailing edge by about 1/8" of an inch. It is 1/8" along the > whole distance of the Trim Tab. In looking at the cause, it appears > that the skins are all cut such that you are suppose to use the roundy > part of the hinge and not the square cutout when aligning the hinge > for drilling. This would account for 1/16" on each side and would add > up to the 1/8" overhang I'm seeing. Grrrrrr.... > > What should I do, fellow builders? I could drill out all the rivets > and use a new hinge, and I'm certainly not opposed to that. But am I > making too big a deal out of the whole thing? Or is everyone gonna > look at it forever and go, "Hey, how come your trim take is too > long?" :-( > > Bummed Out in Livermore > > Matt > RV-8 #82880 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: Scott <acepilot(at)bloomer.net>
Subject: Re: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment...
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From: Jerry2DT(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 05, 2008
Subject: Re: Tank Testing
Thanx Dean, Using 27" overnite as we speak. Lookinf good so far... Jerry In a message dated 8/5/2008 1:55:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dvanwinkle(at)royell.org writes: Jerry The differential is 2 ft 3 inches which equates to approx one PSI. This is what I used for my RV-9A tanks and worked very well. Even with one PSI, you will see a small amount of skin deflection between the tank ribs while pressurized. Also be aware that the differential is very sensitive to temperature changes, even if you have no leaks. Dean Van Winkle dvanwinkle(at)royell.org **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2008
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Leaking QB Tanks
Kevin Horton wrote: > > On 3 Aug 2008, at 20:50, RICHARD MILLER wrote: > >> please tell us what happens, if vans does not stand behind thier q >> builds it might be a good time to have the local faa give them a chat. >> > > These are not type-certificated aircraft, so FAR 39 (Airworthiness > Directives) does not apply. If the local FAA wanted to talk to Van's > about this, which FAR subparagraph should they discuss? > > -- > Kevin Horton > RV-8 (FInal Assembly) > Ottawa, Canada > http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 Agreed on the legal points, but isn't the stuff Van supplies FAA approved for type-cert aircraft? I'm torn between being astounded and not surprised at all that the FAA would have nothing to say about an approved sealant that is dissolved by one of the components that it's certified to seal against. For each RV with a minor fuel leak expanding into a major one, there would be hundreds if not thousands of type cert a/c with the same issue. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com>
Subject: Another Fuel Question
Date: Aug 05, 2008
Hey Walt=2C I had a similar thing=2C found a loose and weeping screw in the fuel sender access plate. Good luck=2C Paul Rice RV8 Flying Siren> Date: Tue=2C 5 Aug 2008 20:50:50 -0400> From: rveighta@earthl ink.net> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Another Fuel Question ave a strong fuel odor in the cabin of my new RV8 which occurs only during climb attitude. Straight and level=2C descending and on the ground=2C there 's no gas odor. I've gone over the entire fuel system (wing tanks=2C vent s ystem=2C fuel selector valve=2C boost pump connections=2C gascolator=2C fue l pressure transducer=2C carb connections=2C mechanical pump connections=2C etc). I've found a few very small "weeping" connections which have been co rrected=2C but the fuel smell is still there. I have also checked for blue streaks throughout the plane and don't see any. > > Any help with this anno ==> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Engine 'first' start
Folks, My list of things to do before engine start is getting small and I think it is time to consider letting the dragon breathe some fire..... I have an Aerosport Power IO360B1F6 (AFP injection, LASAR mags) with a MT three blade prop. I have the Lycoming manual page for their cold engine start procedures and I have incorporated that in to my engine cold start checklist: Alt air - off Prop - high RPM Fuel valve - select tank Purge valve - run Master - on Fuel boost pump - on Throttle - full open Mixture - rich until fuel flow is noted on guage Throttle - Idle Mixture - lean Fuel boost pump - off Throttle to 1/4 Clear prop Ignition switch - START Mixture - to rich smoothly while cranking Ignition switch - both when engine fires Have any of you found that you need to deviate from these instructions in order to get consistent starts? Thanks for any input, Ralph ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)glasair.org>
Subject: Engine 'first' start
Date: Aug 06, 2008
No, but make sure you remove a top plug from each cylinder and crank the engine until you get an oil pressure reading before your first start. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: RV-List: Engine 'first' start Folks, My list of things to do before engine start is getting small and I think it is time to consider letting the dragon breathe some fire..... I have an Aerosport Power IO360B1F6 (AFP injection, LASAR mags) with a MT three blade prop. I have the Lycoming manual page for their cold engine start procedures and I have incorporated that in to my engine cold start checklist: Alt air - off Prop - high RPM Fuel valve - select tank Purge valve - run Master - on Fuel boost pump - on Throttle - full open Mixture - rich until fuel flow is noted on guage Throttle - Idle Mixture - lean Fuel boost pump - off Throttle to 1/4 Clear prop Ignition switch - START Mixture - to rich smoothly while cranking Ignition switch - both when engine fires Have any of you found that you need to deviate from these instructions in order to get consistent starts? Thanks for any input, Ralph ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Engine 'first' start
Thanks Bruce - I have done that - although my intent was to make sure there were no obvious oil leaks - I got an oil pressure reading for 'free'....... -----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Gray <Bruce(at)glasair.org> >Sent: Aug 6, 2008 9:40 AM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > >No, but make sure you remove a top plug from each cylinder and crank the >engine until you get an oil pressure reading before your first start. > >Bruce >www.Glasair.org > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:14 AM >To: rv-list; lycoming engine list >Subject: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > >Folks, > >My list of things to do before engine start is getting small and I think it >is time to consider letting the dragon breathe some fire..... > >I have an Aerosport Power IO360B1F6 (AFP injection, LASAR mags) with a MT >three blade prop. > >I have the Lycoming manual page for their cold engine start procedures and I >have incorporated that in to my engine cold start checklist: > >Alt air - off >Prop - high RPM >Fuel valve - select tank >Purge valve - run >Master - on >Fuel boost pump - on >Throttle - full open >Mixture - rich until fuel flow is noted on guage >Throttle - Idle >Mixture - lean >Fuel boost pump - off >Throttle to 1/4 >Clear prop >Ignition switch - START >Mixture - to rich smoothly while cranking >Ignition switch - both when engine fires > >Have any of you found that you need to deviate from these instructions in >order to get consistent starts? > >Thanks for any input, >Ralph > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Engine 'first' start
Not sure if you mean for all cold starts, or just your very first start. If it is for routine cold starts, you could eliminate some steps. Unless the AFP operates very different from the RSA, throttle position has nothing to do with priming. Just running rich mixture until fuel flow probably isn't enough prime. I use 5 seconds or more of boost pump on my IO-360 powered Mooney. One other hint. Let the engine sit for 30-60 seconds after you prime it before you crank. Lets the liquid fuel become vapor. I don't know, but suspect the purge valve does nothing on a cold engine. I think you will find that you can eliminate some of your items, as they will always be in the correct position from shutdown. Hot starts.........that's another discussion. If it is your very first start...as suggested, leave 4 plugs out, and crank engine until you have good oil pressure. Then put plugs back in, and do normal cold start. Ralph E. Capen wrote: > > Folks, > > My list of things to do before engine start is getting small and I think it is time to consider letting the dragon breathe some fire..... > > I have an Aerosport Power IO360B1F6 (AFP injection, LASAR mags) with a MT three blade prop. > > I have the Lycoming manual page for their cold engine start procedures and I have incorporated that in to my engine cold start checklist: > > Alt air - off > Prop - high RPM > Fuel valve - select tank > Purge valve - run > Master - on > Fuel boost pump - on > Throttle - full open > Mixture - rich until fuel flow is noted on guage > Throttle - Idle > Mixture - lean > Fuel boost pump - off > Throttle to 1/4 > Clear prop > Ignition switch - START > Mixture - to rich smoothly while cranking > Ignition switch - both when engine fires > > Have any of you found that you need to deviate from these instructions in order to get consistent starts? > > Thanks for any input, > Ralph > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)glasair.org>
Subject: Engine 'first' start
Date: Aug 06, 2008
You want to do it no longer than 30 minutes before your first ever engine start. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:58 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine 'first' start Thanks Bruce - I have done that - although my intent was to make sure there were no obvious oil leaks - I got an oil pressure reading for 'free'....... -----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Gray <Bruce(at)glasair.org> >Sent: Aug 6, 2008 9:40 AM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > >No, but make sure you remove a top plug from each cylinder and crank >the engine until you get an oil pressure reading before your first >start. > >Bruce >www.Glasair.org > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:14 AM >To: rv-list; lycoming engine list >Subject: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > >Folks, > >My list of things to do before engine start is getting small and I >think it is time to consider letting the dragon breathe some fire..... > >I have an Aerosport Power IO360B1F6 (AFP injection, LASAR mags) with a >MT three blade prop. > >I have the Lycoming manual page for their cold engine start procedures >and I have incorporated that in to my engine cold start checklist: > >Alt air - off >Prop - high RPM >Fuel valve - select tank >Purge valve - run >Master - on >Fuel boost pump - on >Throttle - full open >Mixture - rich until fuel flow is noted on guage >Throttle - Idle >Mixture - lean >Fuel boost pump - off >Throttle to 1/4 >Clear prop >Ignition switch - START >Mixture - to rich smoothly while cranking >Ignition switch - both when engine fires > >Have any of you found that you need to deviate from these instructions >in order to get consistent starts? > >Thanks for any input, >Ralph > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Engine 'first' start
Good point - I'll do it again right before I do the first start..... -----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Gray <Bruce(at)glasair.org> >Sent: Aug 6, 2008 10:37 AM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > >You want to do it no longer than 30 minutes before your first ever engine >start. > >Bruce >www.Glasair.org > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:58 AM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > >Thanks Bruce - I have done that - although my intent was to make sure there >were no obvious oil leaks - I got an oil pressure reading for 'free'....... > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Bruce Gray <Bruce(at)glasair.org> >>Sent: Aug 6, 2008 9:40 AM >>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >>Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine 'first' start >> >> >>No, but make sure you remove a top plug from each cylinder and crank >>the engine until you get an oil pressure reading before your first >>start. >> >>Bruce >>www.Glasair.org >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen >>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:14 AM >>To: rv-list; lycoming engine list >>Subject: RV-List: Engine 'first' start >> >> >> >>Folks, >> >>My list of things to do before engine start is getting small and I >>think it is time to consider letting the dragon breathe some fire..... >> >>I have an Aerosport Power IO360B1F6 (AFP injection, LASAR mags) with a >>MT three blade prop. >> >>I have the Lycoming manual page for their cold engine start procedures >>and I have incorporated that in to my engine cold start checklist: >> >>Alt air - off >>Prop - high RPM >>Fuel valve - select tank >>Purge valve - run >>Master - on >>Fuel boost pump - on >>Throttle - full open >>Mixture - rich until fuel flow is noted on guage >>Throttle - Idle >>Mixture - lean >>Fuel boost pump - off >>Throttle to 1/4 >>Clear prop >>Ignition switch - START >>Mixture - to rich smoothly while cranking >>Ignition switch - both when engine fires >> >>Have any of you found that you need to deviate from these instructions >>in order to get consistent starts? >> >>Thanks for any input, >>Ralph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph Finch" <rgf(at)dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Engine 'first' start
Date: Aug 06, 2008
After it starts, what's your intention? I assume it needs to be broken in, and the various procedures I've seen don't include much ground time running. Ralph Finch -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: RV-List: Engine 'first' start Folks, My list of things to do before engine start is getting small and I think it is time to consider letting the dragon breathe some fire..... I have an Aerosport Power IO360B1F6 (AFP injection, LASAR mags) with a MT three blade prop. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Engine 'first' start
Ralph, You're correct, it only has a few hours on it from the factory running. I'm only planning to check for leaks and make sure both mags are firing properly - won't be much ground running time right from the get go. I still need to season the brakes with a couple of taxi runs and make sure I can get fuel flow for climbout time at climbout attitude - I'm thinking that the fuel flow can be done by pointing the nose at climbing attitude and running the boost pump - shouldn't need the engine running. More thoughts..... Ralph -----Original Message----- >From: Ralph Finch <rgf(at)dcn.davis.ca.us> >Sent: Aug 6, 2008 12:11 PM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > >After it starts, what's your intention? I assume it needs to be broken in, >and the various procedures I've seen don't include much ground time running. > >Ralph Finch > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:14 AM >To: rv-list; lycoming engine list >Subject: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > >Folks, > >My list of things to do before engine start is getting small and I think it >is time to consider letting the dragon breathe some fire..... > >I have an Aerosport Power IO360B1F6 (AFP injection, LASAR mags) with a MT >three blade prop. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Re: Engine 'first' start
Date: Aug 06, 2008
Wally Anderson (Synergy Air) made a presentation about pre first flight inspections at OSH. He disconnected the fuel line and measured how much fuel he could get in x amount of minutes. He stated that is how he ensured that there wasn't fuel starvation on the first flight and to ensure there wasn't any debris in the fuel line. > > From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> > Date: 2008/08/06 Wed AM 11:35:53 EST > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > > Ralph, > > You're correct, it only has a few hours on it from the factory running. I'm only planning to check for leaks and make sure both mags are firing properly - won't be much ground running time right from the get go. > > I still need to season the brakes with a couple of taxi runs and make sure I can get fuel flow for climbout time at climbout attitude - I'm thinking that the fuel flow can be done by pointing the nose at climbing attitude and running the boost pump - shouldn't need the engine running. > > More thoughts..... > > Ralph > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Ralph Finch <rgf(at)dcn.davis.ca.us> > >Sent: Aug 6, 2008 12:11 PM > >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > >Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > > > > >After it starts, what's your intention? I assume it needs to be broken in, > >and the various procedures I've seen don't include much ground time running. > > > >Ralph Finch > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen > >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:14 AM > >To: rv-list; lycoming engine list > >Subject: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > > > > >Folks, > > > >My list of things to do before engine start is getting small and I think it > >is time to consider letting the dragon breathe some fire..... > > > >I have an Aerosport Power IO360B1F6 (AFP injection, LASAR mags) with a MT > >three blade prop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Engine 'first' start
Date: Aug 06, 2008
During first start plan to have someone stand watch with fire extinguisher handy looking for oil and gas leaks, smoke or fire. Watch the observer and have hand signals for emergency shut down. Dale ----- > > More thoughts..... > > Ralph ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
Subject: Re: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment...
From: cecilth(at)juno.com
I would print on it in small print: "If you noticed this little booboo, keep it to yourself" Cecil writes: > > Listers, > > Well, the trim tab came out perfect and I'm really pleased with the > mating to the Elevator. That being said, I'm less than pleased with > > the for/aft alignment of the Trim Tab. The Trim Tab hangs past the > Elevator trailing edge by about 1/8" of an inch. It is 1/8" along > the whole distance of the Trim Tab. In looking at the cause, it > appears that the skins are all cut such that you are suppose to use > the roundy part of the hinge and not the square cutout when aligning > > the hinge for drilling. This would account for 1/16" on each side > and would add up to the 1/8" overhang I'm seeing. Grrrrrr.... > > What should I do, fellow builders? I could drill out all the rivets > > and use a new hinge, and I'm certainly not opposed to that. But am > I > making too big a deal out of the whole thing? Or is everyone gonna > look at it forever and go, "Hey, how come your trim take is too > long?" :-( > > Bummed Out in Livermore > > Matt > RV-8 #82880 ____________________________________________________________ Best selection of Bibles. Click Now http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nhMWQH4MJ1dXNUgbcTX8Qflt9QlstR3WjitJs3HghlcQRPV/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment...
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2008
Hey guys, thanks for all the great feedback. I think I'll just set it aside for now and fry some bigger fish, and then come back to it later and see how I feel about it. Jerry's comment about the tab never being aligned very often sitting on the ramp made some good sense. Then again, on picture day.... :-) Thanks! Matt -------- Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196962#196962 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Engine 'first' start
Thanks for the fuel line tip..... -----Original Message----- >From: rv(at)thelefflers.com >Sent: Aug 6, 2008 1:35 PM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: RE: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > >Wally Anderson (Synergy Air) made a presentation about pre first flight inspections at OSH. He disconnected the fuel line and measured how much fuel he could get in x amount of minutes. He stated that is how he ensured that there wasn't fuel starvation on the first flight and to ensure there wasn't any debris in the fuel line. > >> >> From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> >> Date: 2008/08/06 Wed AM 11:35:53 EST >> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine 'first' start >> >> >> Ralph, >> >> You're correct, it only has a few hours on it from the factory running. I'm only planning to check for leaks and make sure both mags are firing properly - won't be much ground running time right from the get go. >> >> I still need to season the brakes with a couple of taxi runs and make sure I can get fuel flow for climbout time at climbout attitude - I'm thinking that the fuel flow can be done by pointing the nose at climbing attitude and running the boost pump - shouldn't need the engine running. >> >> More thoughts..... >> >> Ralph >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: Ralph Finch <rgf(at)dcn.davis.ca.us> >> >Sent: Aug 6, 2008 12:11 PM >> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >> >Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine 'first' start >> > >> > >> >After it starts, what's your intention? I assume it needs to be broken in, >> >and the various procedures I've seen don't include much ground time running. >> > >> >Ralph Finch >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com >> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen >> >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:14 AM >> >To: rv-list; lycoming engine list >> >Subject: RV-List: Engine 'first' start >> > >> > >> >Folks, >> > >> >My list of things to do before engine start is getting small and I think it >> >is time to consider letting the dragon breathe some fire..... >> > >> >I have an Aerosport Power IO360B1F6 (AFP injection, LASAR mags) with a MT >> >three blade prop. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Engine 'first' start
I've already made a donation to the local fire department - they want to see anyway...don't get to the airport much....Thanks! -----Original Message----- >From: Dale Ensing <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> >Sent: Aug 6, 2008 1:52 PM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > >During first start plan to have someone stand watch with fire extinguisher >handy looking for oil and gas leaks, smoke or fire. Watch the observer and >have hand signals for emergency shut down. >Dale >----- > >> More thoughts..... >> >> Ralph > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: Engine 'first' start
Ralph E. Capen wrote: > > > I've already made a donation to the local fire department - they want > to see anyway...don't get to the airport much....Thanks! Just make sure all your fuel and oil lines are tight and there shouldn't be any way for a fire to start. If your plane is ready for flight, the risk of fire at first engine start will be the same as when you run out to the airport six months from now for a flight around the neighborhood. It's not like the engine is going to explode. :-) Best wishes for a great phase One. :-) Sam Buchanan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Engine 'first' start
Thanks Sam! -----Original Message----- >From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> >Sent: Aug 6, 2008 3:49 PM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > >Ralph E. Capen wrote: >> >> >> I've already made a donation to the local fire department - they want >> to see anyway...don't get to the airport much....Thanks! > >Just make sure all your fuel and oil lines are tight and there shouldn't >be any way for a fire to start. If your plane is ready for flight, the >risk of fire at first engine start will be the same as when you run out >to the airport six months from now for a flight around the neighborhood. > >It's not like the engine is going to explode. :-) > >Best wishes for a great phase One. :-) > >Sam Buchanan > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Engine 'first' start
Date: Aug 06, 2008
Actually Sam, there is another way for a fire on the first engine start even with all the oil and gas lines tight...electrical! Several years ago when I was still building my 6A at the airport, another builder came over and asked if I would monitor his first start. There was smoke almost immediately as the engine attempted to start. Every metal connection from the engine to the airframe was cooked! When I asked him where his ground strap was he asked me "what is a ground strap?" All of his electrical testing before engine start didn't pull enough current to show the lack of a ground strap but, of course, the starter motor turning the engine was another story. Dale From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > Ralph E. Capen wrote: >> >> >> I've already made a donation to the local fire department - they want >> to see anyway...don't get to the airport much....Thanks! > > Just make sure all your fuel and oil lines are tight and there shouldn't > be any way for a fire to start. If your plane is ready for flight, the > risk of fire at first engine start will be the same as when you run out to > the airport six months from now for a flight around the neighborhood. > > It's not like the engine is going to explode. :-) > > Best wishes for a great phase One. :-) > > Sam Buchanan > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 91 octane, time to be heard!
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 06, 2008
If you are happy with just 100LL stop here. You won't like where this is going. This effects us all even in other countries because one tends to follow the other at some point. If you are tired of someone saying we can't have 91 octane, read on. It's time to pick a side and take 5 minutes to email. Our lives as people are good because someone didn't just say ok. Some took the time to make change and made it better for all of us. If we choose to sit on the sideline and just go along then we deserve what we get. I would implore all to take a minute and email these two people and any other fuel administrator in other companies. I will post on as many aviation websites as possible and I would you all to pick a side and stand up to be heard and maybe, just maybe we might effect change. I for one don't want to roll over. You are about to read a bulletin about the use of Chevron ground fuel verses aviation fuel. Then I have a response. Don't sit back and pick my memo apart, use that time to write your own and be heard. Post this on all your aviation websites. Let them hear a nation wide voice. Send your emails to: LIMG(at)chevron.com kayalbitz(at)chevron.com or any other fuel company administrator. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197012#197012 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2008_04_2008_04_bulletin_2008_04_chevron_position_autogas_for_aviation_use_527.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_memo_185.doc ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "wskimike" <wskimike(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Another Fuel Question
Date: Aug 06, 2008
It is obviously leaking from the top aft portion of your tank where fuel normally doesn't get unless you are in a vertical attitude. Check the connector if you have a capacitance fuel indicator. Mine leaked. Also, check the fuel vent connection at the root of the tank. I hope this helps. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "rveighta" <rveighta(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > > I have a strong fuel odor in the cabin of my new RV8 which occurs only > during climb attitude. Straight and level, descending and on the ground, > there's no gas odor. I've gone over the entire fuel system (wing tanks, > vent system, fuel selector valve, boost pump connections, gascolator, fuel > pressure transducer, carb connections, mechanical pump connections, etc). > I've found a few very small "weeping" connections which have been > corrected, but the fuel smell is still there. I have also checked for blue > streaks throughout the plane and don't see any. > > Any help with this annoying problem will sure be appreciated. > > > Thanks, > > Walt Shipley > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: Engine 'first' start
Dale Ensing wrote: > > Actually Sam, there is another way for a fire on the first engine start > even with all the oil and gas lines tight...electrical! > > Several years ago when I was still building my 6A at the airport, > another builder came over and asked if I would monitor his first start. > There was smoke almost immediately as the engine attempted to start. > Every metal connection from the engine to the airframe was cooked! When > I asked him where his ground strap was he asked me "what is a ground > strap?" All of his electrical testing before engine start didn't pull > enough current to show the lack of a ground strap but, of course, the > starter motor turning the engine was another story. > Dale Yes.......but if we do the thorough pre-start inspection that is mandatory...... :-) Sam Buchanan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: For sale New Garmin 396
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: eddyfernan(at)aol.com
For sale new Garmin 396 new in the box (never opened) with all the standard accesorries and XM weather antenna. Aircraft Spruce price is $1795. Will sell for $1600 plus shipping from 33029 (Ft. Lauderdale, FL) to you. If you are in the market for this unit this will save you $200.? Please call me as I will be on the road Eddy Fernandez (954) 914-5579 cell. Pay pal or cashiers check only. Eddy Fernandez RV9A 300hrs tt RV7A Finishing kit ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "wskimike" <wskimike(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Tank Testing
Date: Aug 06, 2008
It is a standard practice in aviation to pressurize bladder and sealed tanks. Vans even tells you how to do it before installing the tanks. If you are really concerned, just disconnect the vent line from the wing root and put a balloon on the vent line fitting and screw the pump fitting into the low point drain like Vans tells you. Then, pump it slowly to prevent too much pressure. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy E. Cone" <tcone1(at)comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Tank Testing > > STOP!!!! Do not hook your tank up to ANY pressure source...I don't care > what kind of regulator you have. Fuel tanks and compressed gasses do not > go together. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wskimike" <wskimike(at)mchsi.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Tank Testing > > >> >> You better have a quality regulator to ensure you only put one PSI in the >> tank. You can damage the tank with three PSI. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alden D. Van Winkle" <dvanwinkle(at)royell.org> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:52 PM >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Tank Testing >> >> >>> >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> The differential is 2 ft 3 inches which equates to approx one PSI. This >>> is >>> what I used for my RV-9A tanks and worked very well. Even with one PSI, >>> you >>> will see a small amount of skin deflection between the tank ribs while >>> pressurized. Also be aware that the differential is very sensitive to >>> temperature changes, even if you have no leaks. >>> >>> Dean Van Winkle >>> dvanwinkle(at)royell.org >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jerry Cochran" <jerry2dt(at)aol.com> >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:52 AM >>> Subject: RV-List: Tank Testing >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I had to remove both fuel senders and reseal so am testing for >>>> integrity. >>> The instructions for testing with a manometer are saying either 2 to 3 >>> inches diff in water levels or 2 feet 3 inches, can't tell which. Before >>> bothering Van's and displaying my ignorance anyone here know the answer >>> for >>> sure? I'd rather not blow my tanks apart, ya know... >>>> >>>> Thanks all, >>>> >>>> Jerry >>>> >>>> Oh, BTW... I would never, repeat NEVER use the supplied rubber gaskets >>> again. >>>> I could not figure out why I'd never get a drip on the hangar floor but >>> mysterious fuel streaks down the belly. My hangar mate pointed out that >>> at >>> speed the fuel vents can slightly pressurize the tanks. Fact or fiction? >>> You >>> decide. I took senders out, slathered proseal and replaced. Hopefully >>> fixed. >>>> Edit/Delete Message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196662#196662 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Another Fuel Question
Date: Aug 06, 2008
That may be true, but also consider that airflow can be very strong, and can vary noticeably in different attitudes and speeds. The path of airflow can change; a small tornado surrounds our fuselage. Check the shape and condition of the vent openings, too. You can close one tank including sealing the vent and do a flight test. Then test the other tank. Double check to be sure one tank is feeding proper before flight, and as always when testing and being distracted, be prepared for an emergency. Are there any signs of fuel stains anywhere in the cockpit, checking the entire route of all fuel line and vent line with a bright light? Good luck! Dale -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of wskimike Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:35 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Fuel Question It is obviously leaking from the top aft portion of your tank where fuel normally doesn't get unless you are in a vertical attitude. Check the connector if you have a capacitance fuel indicator. Mine leaked. Also, check the fuel vent connection at the root of the tank. I hope this helps. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "rveighta" <rveighta(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > > I have a strong fuel odor in the cabin of my new RV8 which occurs only > during climb attitude. Straight and level, descending and on the ground, > there's no gas odor. I've gone over the entire fuel system (wing tanks, > vent system, fuel selector valve, boost pump connections, gascolator, fuel > pressure transducer, carb connections, mechanical pump connections, etc). > I've found a few very small "weeping" connections which have been > corrected, but the fuel smell is still there. I have also checked for blue > streaks throughout the plane and don't see any. > > Any help with this annoying problem will sure be appreciated. > > > Thanks, > > Walt Shipley > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: Charles Kuss <chaskuss(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: For sale New Garmin 396
Eddy, -How come you are building a 7A? I saw you on the front page of the Sun S entinel when I came back from Buffalo last month. Congratulations. Charlie --- On Wed, 8/6/08, eddyfernan(at)aol.com wrote: From: eddyfernan(at)aol.com <eddyfernan(at)aol.com> Subject: RV-List: For sale New Garmin 396 Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:48 PM For sale new Garmin 396 new in the box (never opened) with all the standard accesorries and XM weather antenna. Aircraft Spruce price is $1795. Will s ell for $1600 plus shipping from 33029 (Ft. Lauderdale, FL) to you. If you are in the market for this unit this will save you $200.- Please call me as I will be on the road Eddy Fernandez (954) 914-5579 cell. Pay pal or cas hiers check only. Eddy Fernandez RV9A 300hrs tt RV7A Finishing kit It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make the grade on AOL Shopping. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 06, 2008
From: Charles Kuss <chaskuss(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Another Fuel Question
Walt, If you find that the leak is at the bulkhead connector for the capacitance fuel senders (if you have those) be sure to purchase genuine, made in the USA AMPHANOL brand for the replacement. Vans supplies "made in the orient" units, which are not as well designed. Charlie Kuss --- On Wed, 8/6/08, wskimike wrote: > From: wskimike <wskimike(at)mchsi.com> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:34 PM > > > It is obviously leaking from the top aft portion of your > tank where fuel > normally doesn't get unless you are in a vertical > attitude. Check the > connector if you have a capacitance fuel indicator. Mine > leaked. Also, check > the fuel vent connection at the root of the tank. I hope > this helps. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rveighta" <rveighta(at)earthlink.net> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:50 PM > Subject: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > > > > > > > I have a strong fuel odor in the cabin of my new RV8 > which occurs only > > during climb attitude. Straight and level, descending > and on the ground, > > there's no gas odor. I've gone over the entire > fuel system (wing tanks, > > vent system, fuel selector valve, boost pump > connections, gascolator, fuel > > pressure transducer, carb connections, mechanical pump > connections, etc). > > I've found a few very small "weeping" > connections which have been > > corrected, but the fuel smell is still there. I have > also checked for blue > > streaks throughout the plane and don't see any. > > > > Any help with this annoying problem will sure be > appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Walt Shipley > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 07, 2008
Subject: Re: Another Fuel Question
In a message dated 8/6/2008 7:43:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, chaskuss(at)yahoo.com writes: If you find that the leak is at the bulkhead connector for the capacitance fuel senders (if you have those) be sure to purchase genuine, made in the USA AMPHANOL brand for the replacement. Actually the name of the company is Amphenol. N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 895hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2008
From: Charles Kuss <chaskuss(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Another Fuel Question
My error. I should have placed a comma after the abbreviation USA to clarify that statement. Charlie --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote: > From: Vanremog(at)aol.com <Vanremog(at)aol.com> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:43 AM > In a message dated 8/6/2008 7:43:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight > Time, > chaskuss(at)yahoo.com writes: > > If you find that the leak is at the bulkhead connector for > the capacitance > fuel senders (if you have those) be sure to purchase > genuine, made in the USA > AMPHANOL brand for the replacement. > > > Actually the name of the company is Amphenol. > > > > N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 895hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon > Valley) > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and > fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2008
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Engine 'first' start
I'm glad I have a ground strap....thanks to Bob Nuckoll's engineering and literary talents..... -----Original Message----- >From: Dale Ensing <densing(at)carolina.rr.com> >Sent: Aug 6, 2008 8:08 PM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > >Actually Sam, there is another way for a fire on the first engine start even >with all the oil and gas lines tight...electrical! > >Several years ago when I was still building my 6A at the airport, another >builder came over and asked if I would monitor his first start. There was >smoke almost immediately as the engine attempted to start. Every metal >connection from the engine to the airframe was cooked! When I asked him >where his ground strap was he asked me "what is a ground strap?" All of his >electrical testing before engine start didn't pull enough current to show >the lack of a ground strap but, of course, the starter motor turning the >engine was another story. >Dale > >From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 3:49 PM >Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine 'first' start > > >> >> Ralph E. Capen wrote: >>> >>> >>> I've already made a donation to the local fire department - they want >>> to see anyway...don't get to the airport much....Thanks! >> >> Just make sure all your fuel and oil lines are tight and there shouldn't >> be any way for a fire to start. If your plane is ready for flight, the >> risk of fire at first engine start will be the same as when you run out to >> the airport six months from now for a flight around the neighborhood. >> >> It's not like the engine is going to explode. :-) >> >> Best wishes for a great phase One. :-) >> >> Sam Buchanan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2008
From: rveighta <rveighta(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Another Fuel Question
Charlie, thank you and the others who have suggested solutions to my fuel leak problem. I do have the Van's fuel level gauges/sending units on my RV8, and after removing the wing to fuselage fairings once again, I believe the right sending unit may be leaking; I don't see any blue stains, but the fiber center of the unit appears dark in color compared to the one on the left side. You mentioned Amphenol brand sender as better than the Van's standard unit - where can I get them? I've tried googling for Amphenol senders several different ways but don't get anything helpful. Thanks again.... Walt Shipley -----Original Message----- >From: Charles Kuss <chaskuss(at)yahoo.com> >Sent: Aug 7, 2008 7:39 AM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > > >My error. I should have placed a comma after the abbreviation USA to clarify that statement. >Charlie > > >--- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote: > >> From: Vanremog(at)aol.com <Vanremog(at)aol.com> >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Fuel Question >> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:43 AM >> In a message dated 8/6/2008 7:43:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight >> Time, >> chaskuss(at)yahoo.com writes: >> >> If you find that the leak is at the bulkhead connector for >> the capacitance >> fuel senders (if you have those) be sure to purchase >> genuine, made in the USA >> AMPHANOL brand for the replacement. >> >> >> Actually the name of the company is Amphenol. >> >> >> >> N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 895hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon >> Valley) >> >> >> >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and >> fits in your budget? >> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >> ) > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 07, 2008
Hi Everyone, Every website I posted on and I sent the letters to Flight Design have people speaking up in support. I have received dozens of emails in support and that is just since last night. One voice will dye, but thousands may be heard. Everyone, Don't sit ideally and complain. 1-2 minutes of your time is all anyone is asking. It's your future and your time to offer your hand in a worthwhile effort to help shape it. Do it for yourself if not for anyone else. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197125#197125 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2008
From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Another Fuel Question
He's speaking of electronic capacitance senders; sounds like you have electric, float-type, like mine. Not the same animal. -Bill On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:55 AM, rveighta wrote: > > > Charlie, thank you and the others who have suggested solutions to my fuel > leak problem. I do have the Van's fuel level gauges/sending units on my RV8, > and after removing the wing to fuselage fairings once again, I believe the > right sending unit may be leaking; I don't see any blue stains, but the > fiber center of the unit appears dark in color compared to the one on the > left side. > > You mentioned Amphenol brand sender as better than the Van's standard unit > - where can I get them? I've tried googling for Amphenol senders several > different ways but don't get anything helpful. > > Thanks again.... > > Walt Shipley > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Charles Kuss <chaskuss(at)yahoo.com> > >Sent: Aug 7, 2008 7:39 AM > >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > > > > > >My error. I should have placed a comma after the abbreviation USA to > clarify that statement. > >Charlie > > > > > >--- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote: > > > >> From: Vanremog(at)aol.com <Vanremog(at)aol.com> > >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > >> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > >> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:43 AM > >> In a message dated 8/6/2008 7:43:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight > >> Time, > >> chaskuss(at)yahoo.com writes: > >> > >> If you find that the leak is at the bulkhead connector for > >> the capacitance > >> fuel senders (if you have those) be sure to purchase > >> genuine, made in the USA > >> AMPHANOL brand for the replacement. > >> > >> > >> Actually the name of the company is Amphenol. > >> > >> > >> > >> N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 895hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon > >> Valley) > >> > >> > >> > >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and > >> fits in your budget? > >> Read reviews on AOL Autos. > >> ( > http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > >> ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2008
From: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: -7 tipup rear window fitting problem
I'm beginning the fit of my rear window (-7 tipup). After the big cut & trimming the rear window to the plans-specified 1 1/4" outside the top skin outline, I get a good 'glass/skin fit from top rear to about 10" back of the roll bar. from that point it looks like the skin is puckered out, but on closer exam the bottom edge of the window doesn't curve down & in quick enough & is slightly outside the vertical line of the fuselage side. The problem is almost identical on both sides. I *might* be able to pull this in with screws, but my plan is to glue the canopy and the rear window. I've got misgivings about expecting the sikaflex to hold against this much stress when it won't be the specified 1/8" thickness around this curved edge. Has anyone else seen similar problems, and what did you do? The 1st thing that comes to mind is heating & re curving the plexi, but the 2nd thing that comes to mind is needing a new $1K canopy. Thanks, Charlie ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Carter" <dcarter11(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Use of Auto gas in aircraft - Chevron Ops Bulletin 2008-04 Risk
of Using Automotive Fuels in Aircraft, June 2008
Date: Aug 07, 2008
Dear Linda, I notice from your signature block on the Chevron Ops Bulletin that you are a quality person in the aviation fuels area. I'm a retired USAF colonel, fighter pilot, and also a civilian pilot, flying since I was 13, solo'd at 16, private pilot certificate at 17, then back into civilian flying starting in 1970s (in my 30's) (Cessna 172), and most recently, building an RV-6 home built "experimental" aircraft since Jan 1997. Finally bought one a year ago, 1 Jun 07, and love flying it. . . . At my last annual inspection in Nov 07 we overhauled the carb, mainly to make sure it didn't have a plastic float that would dissolve if I were ever to accidentally get autogas with alcohol in it. Now it has a brass float and I've begun using mogas, per the STC that is FAA approved for my engine, a high compression Lycoming IO-320 (160 hp). The 160 hp model requires 91 octane, not available here at sea level - only 87, 89, and 93, so I use 93 octane. I am a very careful pilot, and have spent, and continue to spend, many hours studying, researching (learning), and expanding my understanding of "things". One area I've paid attention to is the use of MOGAS (auto gas) in aircraft. . . . The only concern of me and the FAA is that auto gas must not contain ethanol - ethanol may not be compatible with all aircraft 'airframe systems" - tanks and tank sealants (stuff that keeps tanks from leaking), fuel lines (aluminum, which is corroded by ethanol), etc. . . . There is ZERO concern about the "engine" - except for the float and needle valve rubber tip. With those two things of the right material, which is fully documented in maintenance publications and engine manufacturers' literature, there is ZERO concern about the engine's performance at full rated power and about the engine's durability. Because you are truly interested in safety, and accuracy of information you accept, I hope you will look at my favorite info that I have collected in "My Documents" over the past 11 years - attached. I just re-read it and it is a stand-alone excellent discussion of aviation fuel, looking to the future. Would appreciate your response to this, especially if you issue any "clarification" or "recision" of your recent Ops Bulletin, which seems to me to be a good idea. Because,. . . . . . There is a total absence of any concern by the FAA, the manufacturer's, and us maintainters and operators of aircraft, over using automotive fuel that has the FAA required octane and does not have ethanol. If they are not concerned, why are you, given that the first reason you gave in the Ops Bulletin is not really an issue of safety, the 2nd does not stand up to peer review, and the 3rd is "common knowledge" and agreed to by everyone - don't use any fuel with ethanol in an airplane that has not been tested and certified compatible (and none has, to my knowledge)? Best wishes, David Carter 619 S. 16th St Nederland, Texas 77627 (85 mi east of Houston) home ph 409-722-7259 cell (when away from house) 409-718-2268 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
Dear Listers, Here are some pictures of my recently finished Fin and Rudder fiberglass tips, specifically highlighting my notion of mounting the VOR/GS/LOC antenna on the top of the Fin. It came out very nice I think and gives full access to cabling and antenna mount for maintenance. But here's my question. Look at that last picture of the back end of the Fin fiberglass tip and note the gaping hole. I gather from the plans that it is kind of up to the builder whether to put a cover on the back of it. My first question would have to be why the f*** isn't there one already molded on it like on the front of the rudder tip? But, hostility aside, what's everyone's thoughts on finishing these? I'm just thinking that my patience for fiberglass layups hovers around zero and I can just see taking a totally sweet tip installation and mucking it royally. But, I will if I must. I would really like the back end finished off rather than gaping open like that, but it might be something I could live with... Thoughts? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2008
From: Mike Nellis <mike(at)bmnellis.com>
Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
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Date: Aug 07, 2008
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
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From: "Timothy E. Cone" <tcone1(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
Date: Aug 07, 2008
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From: "John Lenhardt" <av8or(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
Date: Aug 07, 2008
It all depends on what type if small livestock would you prefer to take up residence...... :) John "I would really like the back end finished off rather than gaping open like that, but it might be something I could live with..." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 07, 2008
From: Dennis Schwettmann <wolfgang92251(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
Yo Matt, I made those covers out of aluminum with riveted on flanges. Pop riveted them on and they looked great. Well, to me they do. Alot easyer than gooy glass. Matt Dralle wrote: Dear Listers, Here are some pictures of my recently finished Fin and Rudder fiberglass tips, specifically highlighting my notion of mounting the VOR/GS/LOC antenna on the top of the Fin. It came out very nice I think and gives full access to cabling and antenna mount for maintenance. But here's my question. Look at that last picture of the back end of the Fin fiberglass tip and note the gaping hole. I gather from the plans that it is kind of up to the builder whether to put a cover on the back of it. My first question would have to be why the f*** isn't there one already molded on it like on the front of the rudder tip? But, hostility aside, what's everyone's thoughts on finishing these? I'm just thinking that my patience for fiberglass layups hovers around zero and I can just see taking a totally sweet tip installation and mucking it royally. But, I will if I must. I would really like the back end finished off rather than gaping open like that, but it might be something I could live with... Thoughts? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 08, 2008
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
Nice work..... Close the back of the tips.....it'll look better, you'll be happier in the long run and you won't need to pull a bird nest out of it...... Besides, you already have to do two..... -----Original Message----- >From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> >Sent: Aug 7, 2008 11:01 PM >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips... > > >Dear Listers, > >Here are some pictures of my recently finished Fin and Rudder >fiberglass tips, specifically highlighting my notion of mounting the >VOR/GS/LOC antenna on the top of the Fin. It came out very nice I >think and gives full access to cabling and antenna mount for maintenance. > >But here's my question. Look at that last picture of the back end of >the Fin fiberglass tip and note the gaping hole. I gather from the >plans that it is kind of up to the builder whether to put a cover on >the back of it. My first question would have to be why the f*** >isn't there one already molded on it like on the front of the rudder >tip? But, hostility aside, what's everyone's thoughts on finishing >these? I'm just thinking that my patience for fiberglass layups >hovers around zero and I can just see taking a totally sweet tip >installation and mucking it royally. But, I will if I must. I would >really like the back end finished off rather than gaping open like >that, but it might be something I could live with... > >Thoughts? > >Matt Dralle >RV-8 #82880 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV insurance
Date: Aug 08, 2008
From: "ROBERTS, DENIS" <denis.roberts(at)wachoviasec.com>
A ny company suggestions insurance for a RV6a? Denis Roberts Senior Investment Broker A.G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Omaha, NE 402-496-9700 / 800-944-2609 denis.roberts(at)agedwards.com ATTENTION: Please be aware that the confidentiality of Internet e-mail cannot be guaranteed. Instructions having financial consequences such as trade orders, funds transfer, etc., should not be included in your e-mail communications to us as we cannot act on such instructions received by e-mail. If you are a current Wachovia Securities client and wish to unsubscrib e from marketing e-mails from your Wachovia Securities financial advisor , reply to one of his/her e-mails and type "Unsubscribe" in the subject line. This action will not affect delivery of important service messages regarding your accounts that we may need to send you or preferences you may have previously set for other e-mail services. If you are not a client, please go to: https://www.wachovia.com/email/unsubscribe For additional information regarding our electronic communication policies please go to: http://www.wachoviasec.com/gotoemaildisclosure Investments in securities and insurance products are: NOT FDIC-INSURED/NOT BANK-GUARANTEED/MAY LOSE VALUE Wachovia Securities is the trade name used by two separate, registered broker-dealers and nonbank affiliates of Wachovia Corporation providin g certain retail securities brokerage services: Wachovia Securities, LLC , Member NYSE/SIPC, and Wachovia Securities Financial Network, LLC, Member FINRA/SIPC. Wachovia Securities, 1 North Jefferson, St. Louis, MO 63103 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Dudley" <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV insurance
Date: Aug 08, 2008
RV insuranceTry the EAA sponsored company, Falcon. They quoted 1/2 the premium that AVEMCO quoted. The AOPA sponsored company was similar to Falcon two years ago. Rich Dudley 6A for sale ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERTS, DENIS To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: RV-List: RV insurance Any company suggestions insurance for a RV6a? Denis Roberts Senior Investment Broker A.G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Omaha, NE 402-496-9700 / 800-944-2609 denis.roberts(at)agedwards.com ATTENTION: Please be aware that the confidentiality of Internet e-mail cannot be guaranteed. Instructions having financial consequences such as trade orders, funds transfer, etc., should not be included in your e-mail communications to us as we cannot act on such instructions received by e-mail. If you are a current Wachovia Securities client and wish to unsubscribe from marketing e-mails from your Wachovia Securities financial advisor, reply to one of his/her e-mails and type "Unsubscribe" in the subject line. This action will not affect delivery of important service messages regarding your accounts that we may need to send you or preferences you may have previously set for other e-mail services. If you are not a client, please go to: https://www.wachovia.com/email/unsubscribe For additional information regarding our electronic communication policies please go to: http://www.wachoviasec.com/gotoemaildisclosure Investments in securities and insurance products are: NOT FDIC-INSURED/NOT BANK-GUARANTEED/MAY LOSE VALUE Wachovia Securities is the trade name used by two separate, registered broker-dealers and nonbank affiliates of Wachovia Corporation providing certain retail securities brokerage services: Wachovia Securities, LLC, Member NYSE/SIPC, and Wachovia Securities Financial Network, LLC, Member FINRA/SIPC. Wachovia Securities, 1 North Jefferson, St. Louis, MO 63103 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net>
Subject: RV insurance
Date: Aug 08, 2008
Nation Air. I have been using them for five years. I'm happy with their rates and service. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (450 hrs) RV-10 (fuselage) From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERTS, DENIS Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: RV-List: RV insurance Any company suggestions insurance for a RV6a? Denis Roberts Senior Investment Broker A.G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Omaha, NE 402-496-9700 / 800-944-2609 denis.roberts(at)agedwards.com ATTENTION: Please be aware that the confidentiality of Internet e-mail cannot be guaranteed. Instructions having financial consequences such as trade orders, funds transfer, etc., should not be included in your e-mail communications to us as we cannot act on such instructions received by e-mail. If you are a current Wachovia Securities client and wish to unsubscribe from marketing e-mails from your Wachovia Securities financial advisor, reply to one of his/her e-mails and type "Unsubscribe" in the subject line. This action will not affect delivery of important service messages regarding your accounts that we may need to send you or preferences you may have previously set for other e-mail services. If you are not a client, please go to: https://www.wachovia.com/email/unsubscribe For additional information regarding our electronic communication policies please go to: http://www.wachoviasec.com/gotoemaildisclosure Investments in securities and insurance products are: NOT FDIC-INSURED/NOT BANK-GUARANTEED/MAY LOSE VALUE Wachovia Securities is the trade name used by two separate, registered broker-dealers and nonbank affiliates of Wachovia Corporation providing certain retail securities brokerage services: Wachovia Securities, LLC, Member NYSE/SIPC, and Wachovia Securities Financial Network, LLC, Member FINRA/SIPC. Wachovia Securities, 1 North Jefferson, St. Louis, MO 63103 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 08, 2008
From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV insurance
ROBERTS, DENIS wrote: > Any company suggestions insurance for a RV6a? > > Denis Roberts Dennis, Skysmith has been my broker since 1997: http://www.skysmith.com AIG has been my carrier since 1999 and has always returned the lowest quotes. Sam Buchanan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" <jfogarty(at)tds.net>
Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
Date: Aug 08, 2008
Matt, Leave it open, I looked at an RV at OSH that was open and it looked okay, your work looks great, put in a little aluminum if you want, I have been screwing around with mind for about 6 months, and I should have went with the aluminum. Also, you can always close it later! My two cents. Jim RV9a ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: RV-List: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips... > > Dear Listers, > > Here are some pictures of my recently finished Fin and Rudder > fiberglass tips, specifically highlighting my notion of mounting the > VOR/GS/LOC antenna on the top of the Fin. It came out very nice I > think and gives full access to cabling and antenna mount for maintenance. > > But here's my question. Look at that last picture of the back end of > the Fin fiberglass tip and note the gaping hole. I gather from the > plans that it is kind of up to the builder whether to put a cover on > the back of it. My first question would have to be why the f*** > isn't there one already molded on it like on the front of the rudder > tip? But, hostility aside, what's everyone's thoughts on finishing > these? I'm just thinking that my patience for fiberglass layups > hovers around zero and I can just see taking a totally sweet tip > installation and mucking it royally. But, I will if I must. I would > really like the back end finished off rather than gaping open like > that, but it might be something I could live with... > > Thoughts? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG. 8:23 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 08, 2008
From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty wrote: > > > Matt, Leave it open, I looked at an RV at OSH that was open and it > looked okay, your work looks great, put in a little aluminum if you > want, I have been screwing around with mind for about 6 months, and I > should have went with the aluminum. Also, you can always close it > later! My two cents. > > Jim > RV9a Dittos. Been living with open-ended fairings on my RV-6 for nine years and it bothered me for about......three seconds. :-) It's one of those things you forget about after you move on to bigger parts of the project. Sam Buchanan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 08, 2008
From: Charles Kuss <chaskuss(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Another Fuel Question
Walt, The Amphenol part originally refered to is the bulkhead electrical connector, not the sender plate itself. I will send you a post off list with more pertenient info. Charlie --- On Thu, 8/7/08, rveighta wrote: > From: rveighta <rveighta(at)earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 9:55 AM > > > > Charlie, thank you and the others who have suggested > solutions to my fuel leak problem. I do have the Van's > fuel level gauges/sending units on my RV8, and after > removing the wing to fuselage fairings once again, I believe > the right sending unit may be leaking; I don't see any > blue stains, but the fiber center of the unit appears dark > in color compared to the one on the left side. > > You mentioned Amphenol brand sender as better than the > Van's standard unit - where can I get them? I've > tried googling for Amphenol senders several different ways > but don't get anything helpful. > > Thanks again.... > > Walt Shipley > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Charles Kuss <chaskuss(at)yahoo.com> > >Sent: Aug 7, 2008 7:39 AM > >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > > > > > > >My error. I should have placed a comma after the > abbreviation USA to clarify that statement. > >Charlie > > > > > >--- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vanremog(at)aol.com > wrote: > > > >> From: Vanremog(at)aol.com <Vanremog(at)aol.com> > >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > >> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > >> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:43 AM > >> In a message dated 8/6/2008 7:43:52 P.M. Pacific > Daylight > >> Time, > >> chaskuss(at)yahoo.com writes: > >> > >> If you find that the leak is at the bulkhead > connector for > >> the capacitance > >> fuel senders (if you have those) be sure to > purchase > >> genuine, made in the USA > >> AMPHANOL brand for the replacement. > >> > >> > >> Actually the name of the company is Amphenol. > >> > >> > >> > >> N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 895hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, > Silicon > >> Valley) > >> > >> > >> > >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, > fun and > >> fits in your budget? > >> Read reviews on AOL Autos. > >> > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > >> ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com>
Subject: Re: RV insurance
Date: Aug 08, 2008
Does that Falcon insurance also provide "premises" (ie, hangar) coverage as part of a liability-only policy? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 08, 2008
From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
A really simple way to fill the open ends is to find someone building a composite airplane get a little scrap of the sandwich foam filled fiberglass and cut it to fit the open end, glue in with a little epoxy and lightly sand and it is done. Jerry Sam Buchanan wrote: > > Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty wrote: > >> Realty" >> >> Matt, Leave it open, I looked at an RV at OSH that was open and it >> looked okay, your work looks great, put in a little aluminum if you >> want, I have been screwing around with mind for about 6 months, and I >> should have went with the aluminum. Also, you can always close it >> later! My two cents. >> >> Jim >> RV9a > > > Dittos. Been living with open-ended fairings on my RV-6 for nine years > and it bothered me for about......three seconds. :-) > > It's one of those things you forget about after you move on to bigger > parts of the project. > > Sam Buchanan > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV insurance
Date: Aug 08, 2008
From: cbrxxdrv(at)AOL.COM
Another vote for Nationair. I had the insurance on my RV4 with them and now they take care of the RV8. I have never had a claim but the customer service and rates has been great. Sal -----Original Message----- From: ROBERTS, DENIS <denis.roberts(at)wachoviasec.com> Sent: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 9:19 am Subject: RV-List: RV insurance Any company suggestions? insurance for a RV6a? Denis Roberts Senior Investment Broker A.G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Omaha, NE 402-496-9700 / 800-944-2609 denis.roberts(at)agedwards.com ATTENTION: Please be aware that the confidentiality of Internet e-mail cannot be guaranteed. Instructions having financial consequences such as trade orders, funds transfer, etc., should not be included in your e-mail communications to us as we cannot act on such instructions received by e-mail. If you are a current Wachovia Securities client and wish to unsubscribe from marketing e-mails from your Wachovia Securities financial advisor, reply to one of his/her e-mails and type "Unsubscribe" in the subject line. This action will not affect delivery of important service messages regarding your accounts that we may need to send you or preferences you may have previously set for other e-mail services. If you are not a client, please go to: https://www.wachovia.com/email/unsubscribe For additional information regarding our electronic communication policies please go to: http://www.wachoviasec.com/gotoemaildisclosure Investments in securities and insurance products are: NOT FDIC-INSURED/NOT BANK-GUARANTEED/MAY LOSE VALUE Wachovia Securities is the trade name used by two separate, registered broker-dealers and nonbank affiliates of Wachovia Corporation providing certain retail securities brokerage services: Wachovia Securities, LLC, Member NYSE/SIPC, and Wachovia Securities Financial Network, LLC, Member FINRA/SIPC. Wachovia Securities, 1 North Jefferson, St. Louis, MO 63103 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Alternator part number?
Date: Aug 08, 2008
From: eddyfernan(at)aol.com
On the way back from Oshkosh to Florida my alternator died (lasted 2 years).? Switched off the main bus and ran the E bus all the way home (thanks Bob N.).? It was a 35 amp externally regulated part #14184.? Anyone out there know what the part number is for the same type of alternator?except in?55 amp unit externally regulated? Eddy Fernandez RV9A 300 TT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dale Ensing" <densing(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV insurance
Date: Aug 08, 2008
Ditto on Nationair. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: cbrxxdrv(at)aol.com To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: RV insurance Another vote for Nationair. I had the insurance on my RV4 with them and n ow they take care of the RV8. I have never had a claim but the customer service and rates has been grea t. Sal -----Original Message----- From: ROBERTS, DENIS <denis.roberts(at)wachoviasec.com> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 9:19 am Subject: RV-List: RV insurance Any company suggestions insurance for a RV6a? Denis Roberts Senior Investment Broker A.G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Omaha, NE 402-496-9700 / 800-944-2609 denis.roberts(at)agedwards.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 08, 2008
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
Since I'm working on the -10 tail tips ...... I plan to make a layup on the front face of the elevator tip (when I get that part fixed. these parts are atrocious!) and use that as the layup inside the stab tip. Easier to fix the (1/8" minimum) separation that way. Which leads me to a question (no I didn't check the archives ..... yet) ..... what kind of resin was used on the RV-10 FG parts??? Linn Jerry Springer wrote: > > A really simple way to fill the open ends is to find someone building > a composite airplane > get a little scrap of the sandwich foam filled fiberglass and cut it > to fit the open end, > glue in with a little epoxy and lightly sand and it is done. > > Jerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 08, 2008
From: Jim Hurd <jhurd1(at)twcny.rr.com>
Subject: EAA 486 Northeast Builders' and RV Forum
Hi All, EAA Chapter 486 is presenting it's annual Northeast Builders' and RV Forum September 12-13, 2008 at Oswego County Airport (FZY), Fulton, NY I am scheduling RV flight instruction with Mike Seager on the 12th, 13th and 14th. There will be 3 slots each morning and 3 slots each afternoon. Please contact me at 315-761-1702 (leave a message if I cannot answer) or at jhurd1(at)twcny.rr.com to schedule your time with Mike. I need to hear from you by Sept 1st if you wish to schedule time with Mike so that I can let him know if there is enough work here to make it worth his trip to central New York. Thanks, Jim Hurd http://eaachapter486.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FASTPILOTRV8(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 08, 2008
Subject: Re: Alternator part number?
Just a FYI have had a B&C and over the five years I have been flying my RV8 all of the bugs were related to B&C and of course it was always my fault. Well since I just put in a new glass panel and a second battery for the E-Bus and again had alternator failure and of course it was my fault. Well you know after I replaced all the wiring it was supposedly still my fault and tired of paying fees to B&C I took sledge hammer to my B&C alt. and regulator. You know I drop in a 60 amp Plane Power internally regulated alternaor and amazingly everything works and keeps working. Dane In a message dated 8/8/2008 2:07:20 PM Central Daylight Time, eddyfernan(at)aol.com writes: On the way back from Oshkosh to Florida my alternator died (lasted 2 years). Switched off the main bus and ran the E bus all the way home (thanks Bob N.). It was a 35 amp externally regulated part #14184. Anyone out there know what the part number is for the same type of alternator except in 55 amp unit externally regulated? Eddy Fernandez RV9A 300 TT ____________________________________ It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make the grade on _AOL Shopping_ (http://shopping.aol.com/back-to-school?ncid=aolins00050000000007) . (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2008
Swift Fuels Home: Meet Our Team Test Videos Swift Renewable Fuels Welcome to the next generation of aviation fuels. In fact, this is the introduction of the first and only completely renewable fuel. The current fuel used in piston fired aircraft is 100 Low Lead (100LL). The United States and Europe have banned the use of 100LL due to tetraethyl lead which is needed to bring the octane number to 100. There currently is a moratorium on this ban until 2010. Swift has this solution. Unlike the current process of refining crude oil to arrive at a final fuel, we synthetically create hydrocarbons from bio-mass. This creation method is superior to the existing refining method because we maintain control over the entire process giving us the flexibility to meet or exceed current ASTM specifications. The advantages of Swift Bio-Synthetic Fuel are: Seamless replacement of 100LL (no engine modifications) 15-25% increase in range over 100LL (no oxygenates) 20% drop in pollutants over the current 100LL fuel 15% more volumetric energy than 100LL No need for stabilizers or additives More Information Site Terms | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | FAQ Copyright 2008 Swift Enterprises. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197465#197465 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 08, 2008
From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
I was not aware that 100LL had been banned in the United States. Tomorrow, in a brazen act of civil disobedience, I plan to buy some 100LL and use it - in my "piston-fired aircraft" (because the preferred 93 octane mogas will be unavailable on the road). If I get arrested, y'all please come visit me in the pokey, okay? The way I figure it, if it has 15% more volumetric energy, it could deliver a 15% increase in range. Not "15-25%." Just 15%, period. Only by adding snake oil (synthesized from bio-mass, of course) can we get 25% more range from just 15% more energy. That, and lighting it off with airfoil-electrode spark plugs, of course. Why do I have this hunch that Swift Renewable Fuels is headquartered in Nigeria? -Stormy On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Roger Lee wrote: > > Swift Fuels Home: > Meet Our Team > Test Videos > > > Swift Renewable Fuels > Welcome to the next generation of aviation fuels. > In fact, this is the introduction of the first and only completely > renewable fuel. The current fuel used in piston fired aircraft is 100 Low > Lead (100LL). The United States and Europe have banned the use of 100LL due > to tetraethyl lead which is needed to bring the octane number to 100. There > currently is a moratorium on this ban until 2010. Swift has this solution. > > Unlike the current process of refining crude oil to arrive at a final fuel, > we synthetically create hydrocarbons from bio-mass. This creation method is > superior to the existing refining method because we maintain control over > the entire process giving us the flexibility to meet or exceed current ASTM > specifications. > > > The advantages of Swift Bio-Synthetic Fuel are: > > Seamless replacement of 100LL (no engine modifications) > > 15-25% increase in range over 100LL (no oxygenates) > > 20% drop in pollutants over the current 100LL fuel > > 15% more volumetric energy than 100LL > > No need for stabilizers or additives > > More Information > Site Terms | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | FAQ > Copyright (c) 2008 Swift Enterprises. > > -------- > Roger Lee > Tucson, Az. > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated > Rotax Service Center > 520-574-1080 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197465#197465 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 08, 2008
Hi Bill, Spam! Not hardly. Trying to educate people and hope they are willing to help themselves and their fellow aviators before you blink and it already past you by. Education and caring is a wide path. This is the first negative comment I have had in hundreds of replies. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197473#197473 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph Finch" <rgf(at)dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
Date: Aug 08, 2008
Consider us educated. No more posts needed. RF -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! Hi Bill, Spam! Not hardly. Trying to educate people and hope they are willing to help themselves and their fellow aviators before you blink and it already past you by. Education and caring is a wide path. This is the first negative comment I have had in hundreds of replies. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis Jones" <djones(at)northboone.net>
Subject: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft
Date: Aug 09, 2008
Any experience or knowledge on either Texas or Arizona on how these states treat sales and use tax on a completed experimental aircraft? In Texas do they allow the use of the "occasional sale" exemption? Jonsey ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 09, 2008
From: bert murillo <robertrv607(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
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Subject: Hangar wanted near Chapel Hill, NC
From: "renewhall2" <renewhall2(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 09, 2008
I'm looking for all or part of a hangar to rent for my RV7 within 30 miles of Chapel Hill. I'll need it for 6-12 months while they pave our airpark runway. Lease to start ASAP. I'd appreciate any leads. Thanks, Bob Bob Newhall, CFI-I/G N829RV RV7 500hrs Chapel Hill, NC 919-428-4849 renewhall2(at)yahoo.com -------- Bob Newhall N829RV RV Transition Training Raleigh, NC renewhall2.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197521#197521 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 09, 2008
From: Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft
Arizona airports provide the department of transportation a list of all the airplanes kept there, especially if you rent a hangar or tie down. The state will send you a notice saying that you must register and pay tax on the airplane, or provide proof that tax was paid. You also have a sticker you have to buy and is an annual fee of .005 of the 'assessed' value of the aircraft. Paul Besing RV-4 N73DD Arizona ----- Original Message ---- From: Dennis Jones <djones(at)northboone.net> Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 12:23:57 AM Subject: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft Any experience or knowledge on either Texas or Arizona on how these states treat sales and use tax on a completed experimental aircraft? In Texas do they allow the use of the "occasional sale" exemption? Jonsey ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 09, 2008
From: Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RV Builder shops?
I've been away from the list for a while and would like to know who the major builder shops around. I am checking for a friend who would like a meticulously built RV-8, but is not interested in builder assist. Preferably on the west coast somewhere..any recommendations? Paul Besing RV-4 N73DD Arizona ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 09, 2008
From: Charles Kuss <chaskuss(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Alternator part number?
Eddy, Go to the auto parts store and aske for an alternator for a 1982 Honda Accord. Charlie Kuss --- On Fri, 8/8/08, eddyfernan(at)aol.com wrote: > From: eddyfernan(at)aol.com <eddyfernan(at)aol.com> > Subject: RV-List: Alternator part number? > To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com, rv-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 3:04 PM > On the way back from Oshkosh to Florida my alternator died > (lasted 2 years).? Switched off the main bus and ran the E > bus all the way home (thanks Bob N.).? It was a 35 amp > externally regulated part #14184.? Anyone out there know > what the part number is for the same type of > alternator?except in?55 amp unit externally regulated? > > Eddy Fernandez > RV9A 300 TT ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 09, 2008
From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: RV Builder shops?
Paul Besing wrote: > I've been away from the list for a while and would like to know who > the major builder shops around. I am checking for a friend who would > like a meticulously built RV-8, but is not interested in builder > assist. Preferably on the west coast somewhere..any recommendations? > > > Paul Besing RV-4 N73DD Arizona > Wow! Paul, you have been away for awhile. :-) You might want to take a look at the following links: http://www.eaa.org/news/2008/2008-07-15_overview.asp http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/draft_docs/media/Section9.pdf The FAA is making a major effort to put an end to "builder shops". If your friend pursues his endeavor, he may end up with a very expensive lawn ornament...... Sam Buchanan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 09, 2008
Hi Dennis and Paul, I live in Az. and have had a few planes. If I remember right. If you buy a used airplane from and individual then there is no sales tax. If you buy a new plane there is even if it's purchased out of state and the tax was not paid in that state. The Az. state registration fee for experimental is $25, but GA aircraft are a lot more expensive. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197560#197560 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 09, 2008
From: "Larry Bowen" <larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: Alternator part number?
Then where does one get the brackets, etc? (Eddy probably has all that stuff, but lets say he didn't.) -- Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Charles Kuss wrote: > > Eddy, > Go to the auto parts store and aske for an alternator for a 1982 Honda > Accord. > Charlie Kuss > > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, eddyfernan(at)aol.com wrote: > > > From: eddyfernan(at)aol.com <eddyfernan(at)aol.com> > > Subject: RV-List: Alternator part number? > > To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com, rv-list(at)matronics.com > > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 3:04 PM > > On the way back from Oshkosh to Florida my alternator died > > (lasted 2 years).? Switched off the main bus and ran the E > > bus all the way home (thanks Bob N.).? It was a 35 amp > > externally regulated part #14184.? Anyone out there know > > what the part number is for the same type of > > alternator?except in?55 amp unit externally regulated? > > > > Eddy Fernandez > > RV9A 300 TT > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 09, 2008
From: "Larry Bowen" <larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: Hangar wanted near Chapel Hill, NC
If your distance constraints should change, I have one available at 8A7, 67 miles west of KIGX. Metal/concrete/enclosed/electricity. Asking $215/mo. Pass the word.... -- Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:49 AM, renewhall2 wrote: > > I'm looking for all or part of a hangar to rent for my RV7 within 30 miles > of Chapel Hill. I'll need it for 6-12 months while they pave our airpark > runway. Lease to start ASAP. I'd appreciate any leads. > > Thanks, > Bob > > Bob Newhall, CFI-I/G > N829RV > RV7 500hrs > Chapel Hill, NC > 919-428-4849 > renewhall2(at)yahoo.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 09, 2008
Hi All, For the people I have offend with our unique educational opportunity and for caring about my fellow pilots and the chance to help yourself, I am sorry. As for the no more post why did you open it if they bothered you. Spam is the unsolicited advertising for financial gain. It's a shame you feel education is spam in your life. I for one never stop learning or being educated. Sorry to the few. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197576#197576 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 09, 2008
From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
Subject: need a tool spec on vacation
I'm at the beach and Tower informs me my transponder has quit working (again!) I am 99% sure from past trouble with this thing that I can fix it by removing, cleaning and reinstalling the Garmin adapter in the Narco tray, but need a foot-long Allen wrench to reach in there, and don't have it with me. One can buy most anything at the beach these days, but I need the size to look for at the hardware store: what is the dimension of the hex screw that holds radios in avionics trays? 3/32"? Thanks for the help. I'm sure they'll let me back out of the class D with an inop transponder, but it's just not right having stuff not functioning. -Stormy / Bill B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: RV Builder shops?
Date: Aug 09, 2008
I am looking for a builder assist to finish my wheel pants, gear leg fairings, and maybe a little wingtip re-work. I can't get this plane painted till these are done and I just cannot tackle any more fiberglass work. I live in East Texas. Anybody know of someone in this area? Or close enough I could take the plane to reasonably. Tim Bryan RV-6 Flying N616TB over 100 hours now From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: RV-List: RV Builder shops? I've been away from the list for a while and would like to know who the major builder shops around. I am checking for a friend who would like a meticulously built RV-8, but is not interested in builder assist. Preferably on the west coast somewhere..any recommendations? Paul Besing RV-4 N73DD Arizona ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net>
Subject: Alternator part number?
Date: Aug 09, 2008
I'm using a 60 amp alternator used for a 1990 Mazda 626, 2.2L, L4, fuel injected engine (about $90 at your local auto parts store). I got the brackets from Van's Boss Mount Alternator Bracket Kit Only Part Number = ES ALT-BKT Price = $27.50 My first alternator was a special made, balanced, and bench tested one from a alternator shop. It cost me $250 and lasted 50 hours. I bought the above alternator and it is still working perfectly at the 450 hour point. As this is an internally regulated alternator I did add overvoltage protection. The upside is you can get a replacement alternator anywhere you may need it, and on Sunday. The Plane Power alternator is also a good choice. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (450 hrs) RV-10 (fuselage) From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Alternator part number? Then where does one get the brackets, etc? (Eddy probably has all that stuff, but lets say he didn't.) -- Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Charles Kuss wrote: Eddy, Go to the auto parts store and aske for an alternator for a 1982 Honda Accord. Charlie Kuss --- On Fri, 8/8/08, eddyfernan(at)aol.com wrote: > From: eddyfernan(at)aol.com <eddyfernan(at)aol.com> > Subject: RV-List: Alternator part number? > To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com, rv-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 3:04 PM > On the way back from Oshkosh to Florida my alternator died > (lasted 2 years).? Switched off the main bus and ran the E > bus all the way home (thanks Bob N.).? It was a 35 amp > externally regulated part #14184.? Anyone out there know > what the part number is for the same type of > alternator?except in?55 amp unit externally regulated? > > Eddy Fernandez > RV9A 300 TT ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 09, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: BooHoo - Trim Tab Alignment...
Dear Listers, Thanks to everyone for all the great feedback on my trim tab woes. The more I looked at the 1/8" over hang of the trim tab, the more I couldn't stand it! So I ordered up a new hinge which came today. Drilling out the rivets wasn't too bad. I used a nice straight piece of wood taped to the trailing edge of the Elevator as a reference, and then redrilled the new hinge. Attached is a "before" and "after" shot. Ah, much better! Now I can sleep at night. All and all it was pretty easy. BTW, I picked up a small "air brush" by Badger this afternoon at a local craft store call Richards. It has a little glass bulb to hold the paint and with an adapter, hooked right up to my air compressor. Three drinking straws full of Variprime plus three straws full of activator was all I needed in the little air brush to very nicely prime the two pieces of replacement hinge. Clean up was easy and fast. Great for those "one-off" priming jobs. Just a little tip from your Uncle Matt... :-) So, just to set the record straight, none of you guys will now be able to come up to me and point and laugh when you see my trim tab alignment!! Best, Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 At 12:55 PM 8/5/2008, Matt Dralle wrote: >Listers, > >Well, the trim tab came out perfect and I'm really pleased with the >mating to the Elevator. That being said, I'm less than pleased with >the for/aft alignment of the Trim Tab. The Trim Tab hangs past the >Elevator trailing edge by about 1/8" of an inch. It is 1/8" along >the whole distance of the Trim Tab. In looking at the cause, it >appears that the skins are all cut such that you are suppose to use >the roundy part of the hinge and not the square cutout when aligning >the hinge for drilling. This would account for 1/16" on each side >and would add up to the 1/8" overhang I'm seeing. Grrrrrr.... > >What should I do, fellow builders? I could drill out all the rivets >and use a new hinge, and I'm certainly not opposed to that. But am >I making too big a deal out of the whole thing? Or is everyone >gonna look at it forever and go, "Hey, how come your trim take is >too long?" :-( > >Bummed Out in Livermore > >Matt >RV-8 #82880 Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 09, 2008
Hey jsflyrv, If I put up a website how would people know it was there or even what to look for and or when it was happening? I guess a newspaper is considered spam under your definition or even the news on TV. The Internet is for just this very thing, mass public notification, research, education and communication. You just can't help some people, even for free. Sorry you feel this way, but you and one other RV'er are the only two out of thousands of aviators, corporations and the major aviation associations that had anything at all even slightly negative to say. I guess I just don't understand. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197624#197624 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
Date: Aug 09, 2008
Make that at least three. Some of us just deleted it and moved on before, but now we are getting scolded for not seeing it your way. This is starting to get old real fast. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! Hey jsflyrv, If I put up a website how would people know it was there or even what to look for and or when it was happening? I guess a newspaper is considered spam under your definition or even the news on TV. The Internet is for just this very thing, mass public notification, research, education and communication. You just can't help some people, even for free. Sorry you feel this way, but you and one other RV'er are the only two out of thousands of aviators, corporations and the major aviation associations that had anything at all even slightly negative to say. I guess I just don't understand. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197624#197624 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: RV Builder shops?
Date: Aug 10, 2008
A couple of years ago we stopped at Sulphur Springs (KSLR) and there was a guy there who was doing builder service. Don't recall his name, but FBO may know him. Jerry Calvert Edmond Ok RV6 296JC ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Bryan To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Builder shops? I am looking for a builder assist to finish my wheel pants, gear leg fairings, and maybe a little wingtip re-work. I can't get this plane painted till these are done and I just cannot tackle any more fiberglass work. I live in East Texas. Anybody know of someone in this area? Or close enough I could take the plane to reasonably. Tim Bryan RV-6 Flying N616TB over 100 hours now From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:03 PM To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV-List: RV Builder shops? I've been away from the list for a while and would like to know who the major builder shops around. I am checking for a friend who would like a meticulously built RV-8, but is not interested in builder assist. Preferably on the west coast somewhere..any recommendations? Paul Besing RV-4 N73DD Arizona http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Rathbun" <rwrathbun(at)clearwire.net>
Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
Date: Aug 10, 2008
Everyone else ignored you -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! Hey jsflyrv, If I put up a website how would people know it was there or even what to look for and or when it was happening? I guess a newspaper is considered spam under your definition or even the news on TV. The Internet is for just this very thing, mass public notification, research, education and communication. You just can't help some people, even for free. Sorry you feel this way, but you and one other RV'er are the only two out of thousands of aviators, corporations and the major aviation associations that had anything at all even slightly negative to say. I guess I just don't understand. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197624#197624 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 10, 2008
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-8A Dwg 4PP (Elevator Dwg)
Greetings: Does anybody have Drawing 4PP (RV8 Elevator)?? It is an "old" Dwg that came with my RV-8A Emphennage Kit about 7 years ago. Called Vans, but they do not have access to it = stored somewhere collecting dust. My Drawing 4PP is Revision 1. Does anybody have this drawing with a later revisions ??? If so could you share with me what the later revisions encompass. Just messed up my Left Elevator Skin, possibly by using old (not valid) dimensions - don't want to make this costly mistake again. Appreciate YOUR HELP, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 10, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Elevator Fiberglass Tip - Now What...?
Dear Listers, First, thank you to everyone that has responded to my inquiry regarding filling the gaping holes behind the fiberglass tips on the Fin and Horz Stabs. You guys had some great ideas and I'm going to try some and see how it goes. In the meantime, I fit the fiberglass tip on the Right Elevator today and after notching out the tip to fit around the lead weight and beveling the outside edge of the tip, I got it to fit on very nicely. I plan to use the same platenut installation as I did on the rudder. Frankly, I can't believe that Van's recommends using pop rivets here since if the screw that holds the lead weight in place ever becomes loose, you'd have to ruin your paint job to get in and tighten it. Bah! Okay, so I got the tip on and then focused my attention to the front part that goes over the lead weight. Um, what a terrible design... Surly you don't just leave it like that? Even if I sand the fiberglass tip down to match the lead weight, there is still the issue of the "openness" of the tip. There is no way I can sand the tip and lead weight down to match the counterbalance skin. The fiberglass tip will be too thin right at the end. I really don't want to fiberglass all around the lead weight. It also seems like just about anything I do with respect to the fiberglass tip and "blending" it into the lead weight is going to lead to cracking down the road. I'm am just totally aghast at the "design" here. There just doesn't seem like an elegant way to finish this off. The proper design would have been, in my opinion, to make the lead weight smaller or a slightly different shape such that the fiberglass tip could simply be formed all the way around the lead weight. Kind of like on the Rudder. Arg... I just don't know what to do here. I really don't want to glass in the whole tip, particularly since I want it to be removable. Do I really just sand the tip down flush with the lead weight and call it "done"? You know, it seems ironic that the sheet metal stuff in the late-model kits is just so awesome. You can build a beautiful, perfectly straight empennage now in a way that just wasn't possible in the past. So now I have this awesome looking metal structure that I have to dork a crappy, poorly formed fiberglass tip to it. Its all just so disheartening... Please tell me there's a special trick or maybe a really nice after-market all metal hydroformed tip I can get to use instead...? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 10, 2008
From: "Michael T. Ice" <aurbo(at)ak.net>
Subject: Re: Elevator Fiberglass Tip - Now What...?
Matt, Read this web site: http://www.rvproject.com/ All the answers your looking for can be found on Mr. Checkoways web site. Mike Ice Just did a first flight in my RV9 today. Flies great, flies straight, looks great. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: RV-List: Elevator Fiberglass Tip - Now What...? > > Dear Listers, > > First, thank you to everyone that has responded to my inquiry > regarding filling the gaping holes behind the fiberglass tips on the > Fin and Horz Stabs. You guys had some great ideas and I'm going to > try some and see how it goes. > > In the meantime, I fit the fiberglass tip on the Right Elevator today > and after notching out the tip to fit around the lead weight and > beveling the outside edge of the tip, I got it to fit on very > nicely. I plan to use the same platenut installation as I did on the > rudder. Frankly, I can't believe that Van's recommends using pop > rivets here since if the screw that holds the lead weight in place > ever becomes loose, you'd have to ruin your paint job to get in and > tighten it. Bah! > > Okay, so I got the tip on and then focused my attention to the front > part that goes over the lead weight. Um, what a terrible > design... Surly you don't just leave it like that? Even if I sand > the fiberglass tip down to match the lead weight, there is still the > issue of the "openness" of the tip. There is no way I can sand the > tip and lead weight down to match the counterbalance skin. The > fiberglass tip will be too thin right at the end. > > I really don't want to fiberglass all around the lead weight. It > also seems like just about anything I do with respect to the > fiberglass tip and "blending" it into the lead weight is going to > lead to cracking down the road. > > I'm am just totally aghast at the "design" here. There just doesn't > seem like an elegant way to finish this off. The proper design would > have been, in my opinion, to make the lead weight smaller or a > slightly different shape such that the fiberglass tip could simply be > formed all the way around the lead weight. Kind of like on the Rudder. > > Arg... I just don't know what to do here. I really don't want to > glass in the whole tip, particularly since I want it to be > removable. Do I really just sand the tip down flush with the lead > weight and call it "done"? > > You know, it seems ironic that the sheet metal stuff in the > late-model kits is just so awesome. You can build a beautiful, > perfectly straight empennage now in a way that just wasn't possible > in the past. So now I have this awesome looking metal structure that > I have to dork a crappy, poorly formed fiberglass tip to it. Its all > just so disheartening... > > Please tell me there's a special trick or maybe a really nice > after-market all metal hydroformed tip I can get to use instead...? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick Kelley" <webmaster(at)flion.com>
Subject: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft
Date: Aug 10, 2008
Paul, that publication is also about worthless. Note that the registration form refers to instructions "in the registration guidelines". When I emailed the Aviation division about the form, they asked me for my N number and then replied that my aircraft is an Experimental (as opposed to Homebuilt and no explanation as to what the difference is. They also told me to hold the form until I have the Airworthiness certificate; the purchase date is the Bill of Sale date and the date the aircraft enters the state is the date on the Airworthiness. So, I have yet to receive a bill either but I have it on good authority (a longtime resident A&P and also a guy who just registered his Lancair Propject) that non-certificated aircraft don't get assessed by that formula; the Lancair guy just paid $25 for his last year. Maybe they assume experimental are always under repair. ;) Now, the tax issue is another kettle of fish entirely. I have already been practicing my cringe for when that shoe drops. Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Close to first engine start From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:26 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft From the Arizona registration publication: "The Aeronautics Division annually determines the value of aircraft for tax purposes using industry sources and guides. The value assessed is based on the average low wholesale bluebook value for the make, model, and year of the aircraft. No consideration is given to condition, equipment, or purchase price." The other post about $25 is ONLY for storage or under repair. Keep in mind, this is an ANNUAL fee. So yes, an $80k airplane costs $400/year to register. Once you register, then the tax man will also come talk to you to see if you paid sales tax of whatever percent....I have yet to have the bill, but I am about to register so we will see. I imagine it's 5-7% sales tax too.. Paul Besing RV-4 N73DD Arizona ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Bryan <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 4:11:47 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft >>>You also have a sticker you have to buy and is an annual fee of .005 of the 'assessed' value of the aircraft. <<< OMG! 80k * .005 = $ 400.00 Who gets to determine the value? I live in Texas for nearly 2 years now and have heard nothing from nobody. I did not build or register it here, but it has been located here since October of 06. Thankfully it isn?t on a public airport where it might get reported to the state. Tim Bryan RV-6 Flying N616TB over 100 hours now From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:16 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft Arizona airports provide the department of transportation a list of all the airplanes kept there, especially if you rent a hangar or tie down. The state will send you a notice saying that you must register and pay tax on the airplane, or provide proof that tax was paid. You also have a sticker you have to buy and is an annual fee of .005 of the 'assessed' value of the aircraft. Paul Besing RV-4 N73DD Arizona ----- Original Message ---- From: Dennis Jones <djones(at)northboone.net> Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 12:23:57 AM Subject: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft Any experience or knowledge on either Texas or Arizona on how these states treat sales and use tax on a completed experimental aircraft? In Texas do they allow the use of the "occasional sale" exemption? Jonsey ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use
and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sales tax on experimental aircraft
Date: Aug 11, 2008
You can always give them wheat you consider to be the value of the plane as I do.(low) they have never questioned it as it is a homebuilt experimental (6a) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 11, 2008
From: Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft
Yes, I remember the $25 from my RV-6A....just since I have spoken on the ph one and read the publication, it appears that there is nothing in writing t hat says $25 for experimentals....I've managed to not register the airplane for 2 years, but it seems they are getting quite unhappy about it...we sha ll see what the bill is! =0A=0APaul Besing=0ARV-4 N73DD=0AArizona=0A=0A=0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Patrick Kelley <webmaster(at)flion.com> =0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:38:48 PM=0AS ubject: RE: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft=0A=0A =0APaul, that publication is also about worthless. Note that=0Athe regist ration form refers to instructions =93in the registration guidelines=94. =0AWhen I emailed the Aviation division about the form, they asked me for m y N=0Anumber and then replied that my aircraft is an Experimental (as oppos ed to=0AHomebuilt and no explanation as to what the difference is. They al so told=0Ame to hold the form until I have the Airworthiness certificate; t he purchase=0Adate is the Bill of Sale date and the date the aircraft enter s the state is the=0Adate on the Airworthiness. So, I have yet to receive a bill either but I=0Ahave it on good authority (a longtime resident A&P an d also a guy who just=0Aregistered his Lancair Propject) that non-certifica ted aircraft don=92t get=0Aassessed by that formula; the Lancair guy just p aid $25 for his last=0Ayear. Maybe they assume experimental are always und er repair=85 ;)=0A =0ANow, the tax issue is another kettle of fish entirely . I have=0Aalready been practicing my cringe for when that shoe drops.=0A =0APatrick Kelley ' RV-6A - Close to first engine start=0A =0AFrom:owner -rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] O n=0ABehalf Of Paul Besing=0ASent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:26 PM=0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on ex perimental aircraft=0A =0A From the Arizona=0Aregistration publication:=0A" The Aeronautics Division annually determines the value of aircraft for=0Ata x purposes using industry sources and guides. The value assessed is=0Abase d on the average low wholesale bluebook value for the make, model, and year =0Aof the aircraft. No consideration is given to condition, equipment, or =0Apurchase price."=0A=0AThe other post about $25 is ONLY for storage or un der repair. =0A=0AKeep in mind, this is an ANNUAL fee. So yes, an $80k ai rplane costs=0A$400/year to register. Once you register, then the tax man will also come=0Atalk to you to see if you paid sales tax of whatever perce nt....I have yet to=0Ahave the bill, but I am about to register so we will see. I imagine it's=0A5-7% sales tax too..=0A=0APaul Besing=0ARV-4 N73DD =0AArizona=0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Tim Bryan <n616tb@btsa pps.com>=0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 4:11: 47 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircr aft=0A>>>You also have a=0Asticker you have to buy and is an annual fee of .005 of the 'assessed' value of=0Athe aircraft. <<<=0A =0AOMG! 80k * .005 = $=0A400.00 Who gets to determine the value? I live in Texas for nearl y=0A2 years now and have heard nothing from nobody. I did not build or=0Ar egister it here, but it has been located here since October of 06. =0AThank fully it isn?t on a public airport where it might get reported to the=0Asta te.=0A =0A =0ATim=0ABryan=0ARV-6=0AFlying=0AN616TB over=0A100 hours now=0AF rom:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matroni cs.com] On=0ABehalf Of Paul Besing=0ASent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:16 PM=0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft=0A =0AArizona airports provide the=0Adepartmen t of transportation a list of all the airplanes kept there, especially=0Aif you rent a hangar or tie down. The state will send you a notice saying=0A that you must register and pay tax on the airplane, or provide proof that t ax=0Awas paid. You also have a sticker you have to buy and is an annual fe e of=0A.005 of the 'assessed' value of the aircraft. =0A=0APaul Besing=0AR V-4 N73DD=0AArizona=0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Dennis Jones =0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, Augus t 9, 2008 12:23:57 AM=0ASubject: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experi mental aircraft=0AAny=0Aexperience or knowledge on either Texas or Arizona on how these states=0Atreat sales and use tax on a completed experimental a ircraft? In=0ATexas do they allow the use of the "occasional sale" exemptio ==============0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 11, 2008
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft
You do want to register as soon as it is a flying aircraft. Otherwise the penalties will add up much faster than the registration fee. Paul Besing wrote: > Yes, I remember the $25 from my RV-6A....just since I have spoken on > the phone and read the publication, it appears that there is nothing > in writing that says $25 for experimentals....I've managed to not > register the airplane for 2 years, but it seems they are getting quite > unhappy about it...we shall see what the bill is! > > Paul Besing > RV-4 N73DD > Arizona > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 11, 2008
Subject: Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use
and sa... In a message dated 8/11/2008 5:45:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cheathco(at)cox.net writes: You can always give them wheat you consider to be the value of the plane as I do.(low) they have never questioned it as it is a homebuilt experimental (6a) Do you give the wheat value as whole grain or do you just bake it into the bread loaf equivalent and send it off? -GV **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Subject: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use
and sa...
Date: Aug 11, 2008
No, just send them the dough... You can always give them wheat you consider to be the value of the plane as I do.(low) they have never questioned it as it is a homebuilt experimental (6a) Do you give the wheat value as whole grain or do you just bake it into the bread loaf equivalent and send it off? -GV ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 11, 2008
From: "Marty Santic" <marty.santic(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use
and sa... Can anyone comment on what to do in the state of Iowa. Will be starting a RV-12 this month. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Greg Young <gyoung@cs-sol.com> wrote: > No, just send them the dough... > > > You can always give them wheat you consider to be the value of the plane as > I do.(low) they have never questioned it as it is a homebuilt experimental > (6a) > > Do you give the wheat value as whole grain or do you just bake it into > the bread loaf equivalent and send it off? > > -GV > > * > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use
and sa...
Date: Aug 11, 2008
From: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com>
Dress warmly in the winter and keep hydrated in the summer. Chuck Jensen (formerly of Ringsted & Ames, IA, so I know whereof I speak) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marty Santic Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... Can anyone comment on what to do in the state of Iowa. Will be starting a RV-12 this month. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)glasair.org>
Subject: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use
and sa...
Date: Aug 11, 2008
In most states that have a use/sales tax on aircraft, the interest of the tax man is triggered by the act of registering your airplane with the FAA. The FAA provides a monthly data dump to all states that specifies the registration activity in their respective states. This usually prompts a letter asking you to prove you paid their use/sales tax. There are several avenues to use to minimize your tax bite. The easiest is to pay the tax on the first kits delivered. Make sure you document and save the payment data. Then, when asked - usually several years later, just copy them your file and most go away. Register your airplane early, this starts the process before all the expensive bits are added. Have fun. Bruce <http://www.glasair.org/> www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marty Santic Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... Can anyone comment on what to do in the state of Iowa. Will be starting a RV-12 this month. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Greg Young <gyoung@cs-sol.com> wrote: No, just send them the dough... You can always give them wheat you consider to be the value of the plane as I do.(low) they have never questioned it as it is a homebuilt experimental (6a) Do you give the wheat value as whole grain or do you just bake it into the bread loaf equivalent and send it off? -GV ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RV4PatA(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 11, 2008
Subject: Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use
and sa... As an Iowa RV owner, I would use the kit price as the total aircraft value for taxes. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 11, 2008
From: tom sargent <sarg314(at)comcast.net>
Subject: painting hinges
I am priming prior to painting and wondering if any one knows a good way to seal up the hinge eyes on the various piano hinges (flaps, cowling, elev. trim tab, etc.) so that paint doesn't get in. On the smaller hinges, I discovered that the paper shaft of Q-tips fits inside nicely and can be cut out with a wire snipper easily afterwards. I also found some 1/4" round stick-on labels at the office supply store which cover up the ends of the hinge eyes nicely, but I suspect the blast of the spray gun will dislodge them. I'll find out shortly. Any other ideas? -- Tom S., RV-6A, getting ready to paint. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6(at)att.net>
Subject: RV6a crash in Oklahoma
Date: Aug 12, 2008
http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/homepage/local_story_224235607.html My condolences to Mr Dickey's family and friends. Jerry Calvert Edmond Ok RV6 N296JC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Bell" <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com>
Subject: Canopy bonding-Sika Flex Help
Date: Aug 12, 2008
For those that have gone before me, I could use some Sika Flex Expert advice: I have bonded my RV 7 canopy to the frame and have pulled out the spacers that were set on 4" centers. The results were very strong and it is now a simgle piece unit never to be separated. Where I need some help: 1. I would like to go back and fill the spacer holes and pretty up the fillet around the frame. Do I just use the Sika cleaner to re-soften the primer and Sika for the finishing layer? 2. Will the new Sika stick to the first layer well enough. Can I sand the Sika in the high spots before the finishing layer. Any knowledgable help would be appreciated. Thanks Carl ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2008
Subject: Canopy bonding-Sika Flex Help
From: James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com>
Hi Carl. I just used my finger and used the SIKA Flex right out of the tube and filled the spaces. It sticks nicely to itself. I did not sand the material but I guess you could. I'm happy with the lack of holes on most of my canopy. Jim Nelson N15JN RV9-A ____________________________________________________________ Hit it out of the park with a new bat. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3n5YOYoJZHtgGT7LAlssFjkdDUyBGWogVxOHQOTsr2p4YMlV/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2008
From: Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: painting hinges
Coat an extra hinge pin with vaseline, mold release, etc (very lightly so not to get "squeezed" onto the hinge frame) Leave the hinge pin in while you paint. Be careful not to put too much on pin...just takes a tiny, tiny bit. If you see vaseline as you push the pin in, you have used to too much and the paint will not stick where you want it to. Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: tom sargent <sarg314(at)comcast.net> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:01:43 PM Subject: RV-List: painting hinges I am priming prior to painting and wondering if any one knows a good way to seal up the hinge eyes on the various piano hinges (flaps, cowling, elev. trim tab, etc.) so that paint doesn't get in. On the smaller hinges, I discovered that the paper shaft of Q-tips fits inside nicely and can be cut out with a wire snipper easily afterwards. I also found some 1/4" round stick-on labels at the office supply store which cover up the ends of the hinge eyes nicely, but I suspect the blast of the spray gun will dislodge them. I'll find out shortly. Any other ideas? -- Tom S., RV-6A, getting ready to paint. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2008
From: tom sargent <sarg314(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: painting hinges
Paul Besing wrote: > Coat an extra hinge pin with vaseline, mold release, etc (very lightly > so not to get "squeezed" onto the hinge frame) Leave the hinge pin in > while you paint. Be careful not to put too much on pin...just takes a > tiny, tiny bit. If you see vaseline as you push the pin in, you have > used to too much and the paint will not stick where you want it to. > > Paul Besing Paul: Sounds good. I'll try it. About 5% of the little stick on labels I used came off when I sprayed, BTW, so I don't recommend that method. Yours sounds better. Paint hates oil. -- Tom S. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: attitude indicator for sale
Date: Aug 12, 2008
From: "Puckett, Gregory [DENTK]" <Greg.Puckett(at)united.com>
I have a RC-Allen electric attitude indicator for sale. It's an RCA26AK-2-8 internally lit with an 8 degree panel tilt. This unit was new from the factory just over a year ago and has approx 100 flight hours with no acro that would hit the gimbals stops (it does not have roll stops ;-)). It costs $2070.00 from ACS and I think the core value is about $1000. I'm asking $1700 but will consider any reasonable offer. I'm going with the Dynon for some of the additional features. Thanks, Greg Puckett N881GP ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Trio
Date: Aug 12, 2008
From: jvanlaak(at)aol.com
Listers, I am having trouble getting my Garmin 420 to talk to my Trio autopilot.? I can see that there is a low voltage on the rs232 output from the Garmin and I had my 295 talking to the Trio just fine, but these two act like strangers. Documentation is rather light on both sides (the trio says it will autodetect and I do not have the install manual for the 420) so any help would be appreciated. Jim RV-6 N79RL bought flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 12, 2008
From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: Trio
jvanlaak(at)aol.com wrote: > Listers, > > I am having trouble getting my Garmin 420 to talk to my Trio > autopilot.? I can see that there is a low voltage on the rs232 output > from the Garmin and I had my 295 talking to the Trio just fine, but > these two act like strangers. > > Documentation is rather light on both sides (the trio says it will > autodetect and I do not have the install manual for the 420) so any > help would be appreciated. > > Jim RV-6 N79RL bought flying > Call Jerry, Chuck or Sid at Trio. They offer superb customer service and will get you up and running promptly. Sam Buchanan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 08/12/08
Date: Aug 13, 2008
glen matejcek aerobubba(at)earthlink.net > > From: "Carl Bell" <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com> > Subject: RV-List: Canopy bonding-Sika Flex Help > > > For those that have gone before me, I could use some Sika Flex Expert > advice: > > I have bonded my RV 7 canopy to the frame and have pulled out the spacers > that were set on 4" centers. The results were very strong and it is now a > simgle piece unit never to be separated. > > Where I need some help: > > 1. I would like to go back and fill the spacer holes and pretty up the > fillet around the frame. Do I just use the Sika cleaner to re-soften the > primer and Sika for the finishing layer? As I recall it, you apply another coat of primer. > > 2. Will the new Sika stick to the first layer well enough. Yup Can I sand the > Sika in the high spots before the finishing layer. Absolutely > > Any knowledgable help would be appreciated. Thanks Carl > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 13, 2008
From: bert murillo <robertrv607(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Canopy bonding-Sika Flex Help
HOW ABOUT ALAYER OF FIBER GLASS TAPE// ROBERT --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Carl Bell wrote: > From: Carl Bell <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com> > Subject: RV-List: Canopy bonding-Sika Flex Help > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 9:51 AM > > > For those that have gone before me, I could use some Sika > Flex Expert > advice: > > I have bonded my RV 7 canopy to the frame and have pulled > out the spacers > that were set on 4" centers. The results were very > strong and it is now a > simgle piece unit never to be separated. > > Where I need some help: > > 1. I would like to go back and fill the spacer holes and > pretty up the > fillet around the frame. Do I just use the Sika cleaner to > re-soften the > primer and Sika for the finishing layer? > > 2. Will the new Sika stick to the first layer well enough. > Can I sand the > Sika in the high spots before the finishing layer. > > Any knowledgable help would be appreciated. Thanks Carl > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com>
Subject: Canopy bonding-Sika Flex Help
Date: Aug 13, 2008
For the final application of the Sika=2C don't try to do to large a section at a time. The working life of the glue is not as long as you might like before it starts to skin over. Do a test spot on a piece of wood or somet hing and find out how long you have to work with it. I remember having to hurry to try and smooth out my filling application and was not able to make it as nice as I would have liked in some areas. On my -8=2C sections the size of the wind screen roll bar were small enough that I had enough time t o play with it and make it look perfect. I woul also soften the primer up and then reprime again=2C better safe than sorry. Where ever the glue can be seen through the canopy from the outside make a nice straight line with tape and paint the primer on=2C it will look great. Good luck=2C Paul Rice RV8 Glued canopy> Date: Wed=2C 13 Aug 2008 12:22:50 -0700> From: robertrv607@ya hoo.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy bonding-Sika Flex Help> To: rv-list@m hoo.com>> > HOW ABOUT ALAYER OF FIBER GLASS TAPE//> ROBERT> > > --- On Tue =2C 8/12/08=2C Carl Bell <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com> wrote:> > > From: Carl Bell > > Subject: RV-List: Canopy bonding-Sika Fl ex Help> > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com> > Date: Tuesday=2C August 12=2C 2008 cecable.com>> > > > For those that have gone before me=2C I could use some Sika> > Flex Expert > > advice:> > > > I have bonded my RV 7 canopy to the frame and have pulled> > out the spacers > > that were set on 4" centers. T he results were very> > strong and it is now a > > simgle piece unit never to be separated.> > > > Where I need some help:> > > > 1. I would like to g o back and fill the spacer holes and> > pretty up the > > fillet around the frame. Do I just use the Sika cleaner to> > re-soften the > > primer and S ika for the finishing layer?> > > > 2. Will the new Sika stick to the first layer well enough.> > Can I sand the > > Sika in the high spots before the finishing layer.> > > > Any knowledgable help would be appreciated. Thanks ========================> _ ======================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Bell" <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com>
Subject: Re: Canopy bonding-Sika Flex Help
Date: Aug 13, 2008
Thanks Paul, I did it today just as you suggested. It still skinned over quickly in some spots, but I think it will be OK. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Rice To: rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Canopy bonding-Sika Flex Help For the final application of the Sika, don't try to do to large a section at a time. The working life of the glue is not as long as you might like before it starts to skin over. Do a test spot on a piece of wood or something and find out how long you have to work with it. I remember having to hurry to try and smooth out my filling application and was not able to make it as nice as I would have liked in some areas. On my -8, sections the size of the wind screen roll bar were small enough that I had enough time to play with it and make it look perfect. I woul also soften the primer up and then reprime again, better safe than sorry. Where ever the glue can be seen through the canopy from the outside make a nice straight line with tape and paint the primer on, it will look great. Good luck, Paul Rice RV8 Glued canopy > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:22:50 -0700 > From: robertrv607(at)yahoo.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Canopy bonding-Sika Flex Help > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > > > HOW ABOUT ALAYER OF FIBER GLASS TAPE// > ROBERT > > > --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Carl Bell wrote: > > > From: Carl Bell <carlbell(at)gforcecable.com> > > Subject: RV-List: Canopy bonding-Sika Flex Help > > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 9:51 AM > > > > > > For those that have gone before me, I could use some Sika > > Flex Expert > > advice: > > > > I have bonded my RV 7 canopy to the frame and have pulled > > out the spacers > > that were set on 4" centers. The results were very > > strong and it is now a > > simgle piece unit never to be separated. > > > > Where I need some help: > > > > 1. I would like to go back and fill the spacer holes and > > pretty up the > > fillet around the frame. Do I just use the Sika cleaner to > > re-soften the > > primer and Sika for the finishing layer? > > > > 2. Will the new Sika stick to the first layer well enough. > > Can I sand the > > Sika in the high spots before the finishing layer. > > > > Any knowledgable help would be appreciated. Thanks Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &g=============== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2008
From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Jim Nelson RV-9A Flies
Don't know if Jim is just too modest or simply forgot but....he's been flying now for about a month and enjoying the fruits of his labor. Great job, Jim!!! Many happy flying hours to you my friend. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Pending weighing and inspection, then....it flys!!! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2008
From: George Inman 204 287 8334 <ghinman(at)mts.net>
Subject: Fuel pump not self priming
I just did the fuel flow test on my RV-8. When first starting the electric fuel pump,it did not draw fuel from the tank.I had to blow into the vent line to force fuel through to the pump. This means the pump is not self priming.This is a concern because if I run one tank dry,and switch to the other tank I want it to draw fuel. Have others noticed this? I have fuel injection and Van's Airflow performance boost pump P/N3090050. Instruction with the pump say-- "Ideally the boost pump should be installed so that under normal flight conditions the pump inlet will be gravity fed from the fuel supply" I installed it per Van,s drawings. This shows the pump on the floor of the cabin,but the filter is mounted vertically above.So it would not be gravity fed. -- George H. Inman ghinman(at)mts.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2008
From: scott bilinski <rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel pump not self priming
This may be a case where once it is primed it will not have a problem from here on out. Try draining the line to the pump, hook everything back up and then hit the pump switch again.I bet it will be ok...........if not...........call AFP? We also use these pumps here at work (same MFG) and have noticed that some of the pumps take 20~30 seconds to build up their pressure. Scott Bilinski RV-8a ----- Original Message ---- From: George Inman 204 287 8334 <ghinman(at)mts.net> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:16:52 AM Subject: RV-List: Fuel pump not self priming I just did the fuel flow test on my RV-8. When first starting the electric fuel pump,it did not draw fuel from the tank.I had to blow into the vent line to force fuel through to the pump. This means the pump is not self priming.This is a concern because if I run one tank dry,and switch to the other tank I want it to draw fuel. Have others noticed this? I have fuel injection and Van's Airflow performance boost pump P/N3090050. Instruction with the pump say-- "Ideally the boost pump should be installed so that under normal flight conditions the pump inlet will be gravity fed from the fuel supply" I installed it per Van,s drawings. This shows the pump on the floor of the cabin,but the filter is mounted vertically above.So it would not be gravity fed. -- George H. Inman ghinman(at)mts.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2008
From: Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel pump not self priming
I had the same problem the first time I tried to test my AFP boost pump. Then, while doing fuel flow testing, I inadvertently sucked the tank dry. I poured more fuel in the tank, and the boost pump reprimed just fine. I don't know what is inside these pumps. Is it possible that there are seals that dry out after awhile, and this prevents the pump from priming? Maybe the problem does not exist when the seals are damp. I will do several flight tests, overhead the airport, where I run a tank dry and then switch tanks. I will do the tests with increasing time delay before switching tanks. Kevin Horton > > This may be a case where once it is primed it will not have a problem from here on out. Try draining the line to the pump, hook everything back up and then hit the pump switch again.?I bet it will be ok...........if not...........call AFP? > We also use these pumps here at work (same MFG) and have noticed that some of the pumps take 20~30 seconds to build up their pressure. > > Scott Bilinski > RV-8a > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: George Inman 204 287 8334 <ghinman(at)mts.net> > To: RV-list matronics > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:16:52 AM > Subject: RV-List: Fuel pump not self priming > > > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I just did the fuel flow test on my RV-8. > When first starting the electric fuel pump,it did not draw fuel from > the tank.I had to blow into the vent line to force fuel through to the > pump. > ? ? ? ? This means the pump is not self priming.This is a concern because if > I run one tank dry,and switch to the other tank I want it to draw fuel. > ? ? ? Have others noticed this? > ? ? I have fuel injection and Van's Airflow performance boost pump > P/N3090050. > ? ? Instruction with the pump say-- > "Ideally the boost pump should be installed so that under normal flight > conditions the pump inlet will be gravity fed from the fuel supply" > > ? ? ? I installed it per Van,s drawings. This shows the pump on the floor > of the cabin,but the filter is mounted vertically above.So it would not > be gravity > fed. > > -- > > George H. Inman > ghinman(at)mts.net > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Fuel pump not self priming
Date: Aug 15, 2008
George, I use High pressure fuel pumps for my electronic fuel injected engine. I have them both mounted as low as I could on the lower firewall (below the level of the bottom of the wing tank). I have found (as you did) that once "primed" they draw fuel just fine from the tanks. Most of the EFI pump cautions will tell you that if no fuel to lubricate the pumps can quickly result in damage to the pump. So to address those concerns, I installed a small ("Van's" ) low pressure Facet pump between the wing tanks and the pumps. I turn it on before switching tanks. Once primed my pumps have never had to have the facet pump on for starting and sucking fuel. However, even the smallest air leaks in the line anywhere between the pumps and the tanks could cause loss of prime. I use the facet pump on start up (to keep possibly dry pumps from damage)and as mentioned - whenever getting ready to switch tanks. Its worked from me for 10+ years. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Inman 204 287 8334 Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: RV-List: Fuel pump not self priming I just did the fuel flow test on my RV-8. When first starting the electric fuel pump,it did not draw fuel from the tank.I had to blow into the vent line to force fuel through to the pump. This means the pump is not self priming.This is a concern because if I run one tank dry,and switch to the other tank I want it to draw fuel. Have others noticed this? I have fuel injection and Van's Airflow performance boost pump P/N3090050. Instruction with the pump say-- "Ideally the boost pump should be installed so that under normal flight conditions the pump inlet will be gravity fed from the fuel supply" I installed it per Van,s drawings. This shows the pump on the floor of the cabin,but the filter is mounted vertically above.So it would not be gravity fed. -- George H. Inman ghinman(at)mts.net __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2008
Subject: New style VFR charts
From: James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com>
There are supposed to be a new style of VFR chart available for the east coast at the moment. Does any one know who has them? They are a version that has been used in Europe. Jim Nelson N15JN RV9-A ____________________________________________________________ Click to go wireless with your computer, ultra fast speed. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nBfhrFVM2TsJKy6a7nl5kleyRR79yq94hfZQWT2qVeKlZrV/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Lenhardt" <av8or(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: New style VFR charts
Date: Aug 15, 2008
They are the new and as of now limited avaialability VFR+GPS charts from Jeppesen. Here's a link to the webpage. http://www.jeppesen.com/wlcs/index.jsp?section=vfr&content=publications_vfr-gps.jsp John Lenhardt #40262 Roanoke, VA > > There are supposed to be a new style of VFR chart available for the east > coast at the moment. Does any one know who has them? They are a version > that has been used in Europe. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2008
From: tom sargent <sarg314(at)comcast.net>
Subject: netralizing alodine solution
I've been told there is a way to neutralize used alodine solution so it is safe to dispose of. (It has hexavalent chromium in it as do some primers - strontium chromate, I think - which is a carcinogen.) The process involves adding sulphuric acide and something else. Does any one know the details of this process? -- Tom S., RV-6A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 16, 2008
Subject: Re: netralizing alodine solution
In a message dated 8/15/2008 8:06:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sarg314(at)comcast.net writes: I've been told there is a way to neutralize used alodine solution so it is safe to dispose of. (It has hexavalent chromium in it Actually the newer MIL-C-5541 Type II chem film solutions meet RoHS requirements by not containing hexavalent chromium. N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 895hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV Builder's Hotline update
From: "bcollinsmn" <bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2008
If you subscribed to the free email delivery of the RV Builder's Hotline and are not getting it in your inbox (and it's not in your junk folder), would you please drop me an email? bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com . Thanks. -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV-7A (#&^ fiberglass!) http://rvbuildershotline.com Day job: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199067#199067 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Frank Stringham <fstringham(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RV Builder's Hotline update.......
Date: Aug 17, 2008
Bob I am one of your problem children.....not in my inbox or junk mail....... fstringham(at)hotmail.com I do enjoy the hotline your post to Vans Air Force.....plus Frank @ 1L8 .... RV7A ..... > Subject: RV-List: RV Builder's Hotline update> From: bob@rvbuildershotlin e.com> Date: Sun=2C 17 Aug 2008 06:40:22 -0700> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com> > If you subscribed to the free email delivery of the RV Builder's Hotline and are not getting it in your inbox (and it's not in your junk folder)=2C would you please drop me an email? bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com .> > Thanks .> > --------> Bob Collins> St. Paul=2C Minn.> RV-7A (#&=3B^ fiberglass! )> http://rvbuildershotline.com> Day job: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/ collections/special/columns/news_cut/> > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199067#199067> > > > > > -======================== ===> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 17, 2008
From: "Ollie Washburn" <ollie6a(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV Builder's Hotline update
I'm subscribed according to the return e-mail but I have not been receiving, and I check my spam.Thanks, Ollie ollies7s(at)gmail.com On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:40 AM, bcollinsmn wrote: > > If you subscribed to the free email delivery of the RV Builder's Hotline > and are not getting it in your inbox (and it's not in your junk folder), > would you please drop me an email? bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com . > > Thanks. > > -------- > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > RV-7A (#&^ fiberglass!) > http://rvbuildershotline.com > Day job: > http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199067#199067 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jim Nelson RV-9A Flies
From: "gbrasch" <gbrasch(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Aug 17, 2008
Congrats! I look forward to that day! -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Finishing #90623, O-360 1953 Piper Tri-Pacer A-Star Medivac Driver Tucson, Arizona Van's Aircraft Belt Buckles http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199099#199099 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV Builder's Hotline update
From: "bcollinsmn" <bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2008
Thanks to the folks who emailed or told me you haven't been getting them. It turns out the mail program said it was sending them but it was chocking on some meta tags. I've resent this week's issue and I'll follow-up with those who emailed me to make sure you received it. For the copies that you missed, you can also go to http://rvbuildershotline.com/archives/archive.html -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV-7A (#&^ fiberglass!) http://rvbuildershotline.com Day job: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199103#199103 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim and Bev Cone" <jimnbev(at)olypen.com>
Subject: For Sale: ICOM A210 new in box
Date: Aug 17, 2008
_____ I had planned to build my RV-12 as an E-AB and use an ICOM A-210 radio. Since I had another stroke and had to sell my project, I have to sell my ICOM radio that I bought in the group buy that VAF.net had. The radio has been modified with the firmware update for dual/priority frequency function by the factory. Shop around and make a fair offer. Call Jim Cone: (360) 775-0311 or email jimnbev(at)olypen.com. Jim Cone 4-peat offender 2 RV-6A's, a 7A, and a 12 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MLWynn(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 17, 2008
Subject: Re: RV Builder's Hotline update
Hi Bob, I have not received it lately. So, please re-enter me. Thank you for the time you put into the publication. It is great reading. Regards, Michael Wynn RV 8 FWF In a message dated 8/17/2008 6:45:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com writes: --> RV-List message posted by: "bcollinsmn" If you subscribed to the free email delivery of the RV Builder's Hotline and are not getting it in your inbox (and it's not in your junk folder), would you please drop me an email? bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com . Thanks. -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV-7A (#&^ fiberglass!) http://rvbuildershotline.com Day job: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199067#199067 **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 17, 2008
From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)newwavecomm.net>
Subject: Re: RV Builder's Hotline update
I'm subscribed but I'm not getting it! ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ bcollinsmn wrote: > > If you subscribed to the free email delivery of the RV Builder's Hotline and are not getting it in your inbox (and it's not in your junk folder), would you please drop me an email? bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com . > > Thanks. > > -------- > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > RV-7A (#&^ fiberglass!) > http://rvbuildershotline.com > Day job: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199067#199067 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV Builder's Hotline update
Date: Aug 17, 2008
From: John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com>
Am subscribed, but it's not showing up. Thanks. John Jessen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcollinsmn Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:40 AM Subject: RV-List: RV Builder's Hotline update If you subscribed to the free email delivery of the RV Builder's Hotline and are not getting it in your inbox (and it's not in your junk folder), would you please drop me an email? bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com . Thanks. -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV-7A (#&^ fiberglass!) http://rvbuildershotline.com Day job: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199067#199067 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 17, 2008
From: davidbf(at)centurytel.net
Subject: canopy latch
I have a sliding canopy RV6 with a canopy rail type locking latch. I have a situation where I need to replace it due to a key mishap where I had to drill it out to get back in to my locked canopy at a remote airport. Anyway I cannot find a receipt to where I purchased it and was wondering if anybody remembers seeing these locks made for the side skirt & slot in canopy rail for the 6, 7, 9 canopies. The key says ACS on it and I thought it would be Aircraft Spruce but I checked old catalogues that I have and haven't found it, even called them they said no such thing. They did have a mini canopy latch which I ordered and it is too small to fill the hole. It's the same idea though, a blade that turns 90 deg.& slips into the slotted rail. Anybody remember seeing these anywhere? Thanks, Dave Ford RV6 flying ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: canopy latch
Date: Aug 17, 2008
You might check the hole diameter in your canopy skirt and see if your local hardware store or Home Depot has a cabinet type lock that will fit. Some customization of the little swing arm may be required... I'm pretty sure that's where I got the lock I put on the canopy of my RV-6. KB ----- Original Message ----- From: <davidbf(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:07 PM Subject: RV-List: canopy latch > > I have a sliding canopy RV6 with a canopy rail type locking latch. I have > a > situation where I need to replace it due to a key mishap where I had to > drill > it out to get back in to my locked canopy at a remote airport. Anyway I > cannot > find a receipt to where I purchased it and was wondering if anybody > remembers > seeing these locks made for the side skirt & slot in canopy rail for the > 6, 7, > 9 canopies. The key says ACS on it and I thought it would be Aircraft > Spruce > but I checked old catalogues that I have and haven't found it, even called > them > they said no such thing. They did have a mini canopy latch which I > ordered and > it is too small to fill the hole. It's the same idea though, a blade that > turns 90 deg.& slips into the slotted rail. Anybody remember seeing these > anywhere? Thanks, > > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rquinn1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 17, 2008
Subject: Re: canopy latch
Dave: I received my locking latch with my ignition switch. I just checked and Vans still has it listed in my catalog. Of course I don't know if they will sell the canopy lock separately. Rollie RV6A **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV Builder's Hotline update
From: "bcollinsmn" <bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com>
Date: Aug 17, 2008
Michael I'm in the process of doing two more mail runs using the old mailer program. So far it seems to be working. But you didn't provide an email so I can't doublecheck your email address. If you can send me a note to bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com, and let me know if it's shown up, that'd be helpful. There are a handful, maybe 12 out of the 1800 that are still bouncing back. I'm almost positive that bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com or rvnewsletter(at)comcast.net is in their blocked senders list in Outlook. And of course, none of my emails telling them that make it through, so I have to unsubscribe them, I guess. In the meantime, please check your email clients to be sure that those two addresses are listed as safe senders and aren't in your blocked senders list. [quote="Michael Wynn"]Hi Bob, I have not received it lately. So, please re-enter me. Thank you for the time you put into the publication. It is great reading. Regards, Michael Wynn RV 8 FWF In a message dated 8/17/2008 6:45:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com writes: > --> RV-List message posted by: "bcollinsmn" > > If you subscribed to the free email delivery of the RV Builder's Hotline and are not getting it in your inbox (and it's not in your junk folder), would you please drop me an email? bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com . > > Thanks. > > -------- > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > RV-7A (#&^ fiberglass!) > http://rvbuildershotline.com > Day job: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199067#199067 > > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007). > [b] : I'm in the p -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. RV-7A (#&^ fiberglass!) http://rvbuildershotline.com Day job: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199181#199181 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 17, 2008
From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)newwavecomm.net>
Subject: Re: canopy latch
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/igswitches.php ACS DOOR AND BAGGAGE LOCK SETS P/N 11-01600 *$26.60* <http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p=11-01600&q=1> The door and baggage locks furnished with the ignition switches above are also available separately. Set of two locks (one door and one baggage lock) furnished with one key mated to both locks. The baggage lock may be used as second door lock if preferred. Your welcome :-) ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ davidbf(at)centurytel.net wrote: > > I have a sliding canopy RV6 with a canopy rail type locking latch. I have a > situation where I need to replace it due to a key mishap where I had to drill > it out to get back in to my locked canopy at a remote airport. Anyway I cannot > find a receipt to where I purchased it and was wondering if anybody remembers > seeing these locks made for the side skirt & slot in canopy rail for the 6, 7, > 9 canopies. The key says ACS on it and I thought it would be Aircraft Spruce > but I checked old catalogues that I have and haven't found it, even called them > they said no such thing. They did have a mini canopy latch which I ordered and > it is too small to fill the hole. It's the same idea though, a blade that > turns 90 deg.& slips into the slotted rail. Anybody remember seeing these > anywhere? Thanks, > > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2008
From: halbenjamin(at)optonline.net
Subject: Re: RV Builder's Hotline update
Bob, Looks like you got the wires crossed on the message for Mike. ;) Hal Benjamin ----- Original Message ----- From: bcollinsmn Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:00 pm Subject: RV-List: Re: RV Builder's Hotline update > > Michael > I'm in the process of doing two more mail runs using the old > mailer program. So far it seems to be working. But you didn't > provide an email so I can't doublecheck your email address. If > you can send me a note to bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com, and let me > know if it's shown up, that'd be helpful. > > There are a handful, maybe 12 out of the 1800 that are still > bouncing back. I'm almost positive that > bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com or rvnewsletter(at)comcast.net is in > their blocked senders list in Outlook. And of course, none of my > emails telling them that make it through, so I have to > unsubscribe them, I guess. > > In the meantime, please check your email clients to be sure that > those two addresses are listed as safe senders and aren't in > your blocked senders list. > > > [quote="Michael Wynn"]Hi Bob, > > I have not received it lately. So, please re-enter me. Thank > you for the time you put into the publication. It is great reading. > > Regards, > > Michael Wynn > RV 8 FWF > > In a message dated 8/17/2008 6:45:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight > Time, bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com writes: > > > > > If you subscribed to the free email delivery of the RV > Builder's Hotline and are not getting it in your inbox (and > it's not in your junk folder), would you please drop me an > email? bob(at)rvbuildershotline.com . > > > > Thanks. > > > > -------- > > Bob Collins > > St. Paul, Minn. > > RV-7A (#&^ fiberglass!) > > http://rvbuildershotline.com > > Day job: > http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/> > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199067#199067 > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen- > Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007). > > > [b] > : > > I'm in the p > > -------- > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > RV-7A (#&^ fiberglass!) > http://rvbuildershotline.com > Day job: > http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/ > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199181#199181 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim" <jjewell(at)telus.net>
Subject: Re: canopy latch
Date: Aug 17, 2008
Hi Dave, There is a strong likelihood that you will find a replacement lock cylinder at your local locksmith shop. The locksmith near me had several options to offer. Jim in Kelowna - RV-6A TT 50 hr for sale ----- Original Message ----- From: <davidbf(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:07 PM Subject: RV-List: canopy latch > > > I have a sliding canopy RV6 with a canopy rail type locking latch. I have > a > situation where I need to replace it due to a key mishap where I had to > drill > it out to get back in to my locked canopy at a remote airport. Anyway I > cannot > find a receipt to where I purchased it and was wondering if anybody > remembers > seeing these locks made for the side skirt & slot in canopy rail for the > 6, 7, > 9 canopies. The key says ACS on it and I thought it would be Aircraft > Spruce > but I checked old catalogues that I have and haven't found it, even called > them > they said no such thing. They did have a mini canopy latch which I > ordered and > it is too small to fill the hole. It's the same idea though, a blade that > turns 90 deg.& slips into the slotted rail. Anybody remember seeing these > anywhere? Thanks, > > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > > > Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (4.0.0.26 - 10.100.017). > http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (4.0.0.26 - 10.100.017). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2008
From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)newwavecomm.net>
Subject: Re: canopy latch
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/igswitches.php Scroll down to ACS DOOR AND BAGGAGE LOCK SETS P/N 11-01600 *$26.60* The door and baggage locks furnished with the ignition switches above are also available separately. Set of two locks (one door and one baggage lock) furnished with one key mated to both locks. The baggage lock may be used as second door lock if preferred. Your welcome :-) ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ davidbf(at)centurytel.net wrote: > > I have a sliding canopy RV6 with a canopy rail type locking latch. I have a > situation where I need to replace it due to a key mishap where I had to drill > it out to get back in to my locked canopy at a remote airport. Anyway I cannot > find a receipt to where I purchased it and was wondering if anybody remembers > seeing these locks made for the side skirt & slot in canopy rail for the 6, 7, > 9 canopies. The key says ACS on it and I thought it would be Aircraft Spruce > but I checked old catalogues that I have and haven't found it, even called them > they said no such thing. They did have a mini canopy latch which I ordered and > it is too small to fill the hole. It's the same idea though, a blade that > turns 90 deg.& slips into the slotted rail. Anybody remember seeing these > anywhere? Thanks, > > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anywhere Map Travel Companion (ATC) GPS
From: "smodking" <tracy.petit(at)verizon.net>
Date: Aug 18, 2008
08-18-2008 As a new owner of the Anywhere Map ATC, I hope I can be of help with some of the questions and concerns. The HP iPAQ 310 thus far has been great. It is small, has 20-channel GPS and the screen resolution is great. Anywhere Map has issues. Control Vision has created an interface that allows the user to switch between aviation and the HP road mapping software. HP uses NavTeq, so if you have another GPS device that can't find an address, this unit won't either. TeleAtlas, which is used by TomTom also has issues and both mapping companies appear to use the same data as my house is a quarter of a mile further west than the GPS reports. Anywhere Map and the HP Road Map boot slowly after selecting one or the other. The HP road map interface is very responsive to the touch screen interface, moving the user about quickly. There is a wheel on the side that allows the user to zoom the map and Anywhere Map uses it too for the same thing. Anywhere Maps implementation is unresponsive, unlike HP's. When using the Anywhere Map you must turn once and wait to see what you got for a zoom (even stated on the web site) verses the HP road maps that instantly update the map as you turn the dial. Control Vision is aware of the issue, but the fix is late. Jay Humbard reported via the web site that fixes would be out late july and now it's mid-August. The Anywhere Map software is sluggish to the touch. The user pushes a button and often times you push it again thinking you missed it the first time. Here is a list of issues I found and reported to Control Vision: the small tabs that do not work reliably on the search for anything page and WX page. When searching I select NEARBY and turnoff ShowPVT and each time I return to search, I have to repeat these steps canceling a route (Flight Plan [FP] or Direct To) requires 5 clicks to cancel (FP-->File-->Clear-->Yes-->Done). Control Vision needs a cancel button on the first page to reduce clicks the sluggish performance of the touch screen performing the requested action (button depress) the wheel performance for zooming zooming in to 1.5 nm +/- you will see aberrations in the screen that shows horizontal lines randomly spaced (you must be navigating or in SIM mode for the issue to show). panning the map delivers a delay in the screen repaint (no WX used) the ATC has locked up and has required the reset button to reboot the device. I've even received a"Fatal Error" dialog box, but once the dialog box was dismissed, the unit seemed to function the same. SOmething crashed, but I don't know what. sliders on the Simulator Page that only want to work in one direction (up) and resist movement (down) when tapped the itty-bitty attitude and airspeed gauges (if they worked) would be extremely hard to read ESPECIALLY in an emergency searching for an airport brings up the keyboard, upon which you type in the airport identifier, but if you press on the keyboard verses the user is returned to the map and the search is aborted. You have to do it all over again and be sure to press so that you can press OK on the search page to return search values. You'd think would initiate the search and close the keyboard overlay. a hard to read screen in direct sunlight. It's very bright, but if you fly a low wing aircraft, you will likely have a hard time seeing the screen at times. poor customer service. I'll explain this in a minute. I really think Control Vision has a great idea, but they need to follow through with what they started. I get the sense they brought this to market before it was ready, likely to show it off at Oshkosh. The biggest issue is the responsiveness of the touch screen and the size of some of the controls. In order to work the tabs found on the WX page and the "search for anything" page, one needs a stylus. The various pages that the user visits aren't consistent. Many are gray (without color) and look very much like pages from Windows (the unit runs on Windows) while others are in full color and provide a nice looking interface. I have NOT used the XMWX, so I cannot report on connection issues, but if you browse the web site and read the known issues and tips for connecting, you'll see there seems to be issues to get the bluetooth devices to talk to each other if you don't boot things in the right sequence. It also appears if you turn off the ATC and then later after lunch get back in the cockpit and turn it back on, you'll NOT get WX to connect if you powered off the unit without closing the mapping software. Again, I cannot confirm this as I have not used XMWX on the ATC so far. Now about Customer Service: I called Alan Kirby on a Thursday and never heard back from him. Late on Friday I called again and did not reach him, though the operator said he was around. I ended up sending him an email stating the above bullet points. I get a response back from Jay Humbard, the CEO on Sunday afternoon. He is his email to me: Dear Mr. Petit, First, I am sorry that your calls went unanswered. We were short staffed on Thursday and Friday, it is vacation season and we are bound to have a few people out this time of year. I am also sorry that you do not seem to care for our product. I have looked through your list of comments and suggestions and can tell you that some of them are being added to the list, some are already on the list, and most seem too trivial to me to bother adding to the list. Since I am the chief cook, bottle washer, and the chairman of the ATC product committee, I have the final say in these matters. While I appreciate your considerable experience in the field, I also have well over 25 years experience in the field, as well as 9 years of experience with Anywhere Map software development specifically. We will just have to agree to disagree on most of your issues. I will say that the ATC is the best selling product we have ever offered, and our return rate is very low. I must say that I also think you hit the nail on the head in your self-assesment. By the way, the user waypoint named "JAY" that is in your "used" unit, is near my home. This waypoint is in every Anywhere Map system that has ever been shipped, over 30,000 of them, and nobody has ever regarded that as a flaw before you came along. If you wish to return the product, our standard terms will apply. You may review them on our web page if you are not aware of them. I think that you would be much happier paying an extra $1000 to purchase a Garmin with it's pathetic user interface. SincerelyJay Humbard CEO Control Vision Corp. What I found interesting is he'd rather NOT have me as a customer and didn't think most of my comments were worthy of his time. Instead of showing concern and asking me to bear with them while they get the kinks worked out, he tells me to return the unit and go buy a Garmin. The "self-assessment" remark is in regards to me saying "I bet you think I'm a pain-in-the-butt" and he agreed. Great PR on the behalf of the CEO! If you've ever read the return policy and I did BEFORE I purchased, you'll notice that they want to make money on the returns. For a point of sale that is over the internet and without the ability of the customer to hold it and fell it, their policy is very restrictive. It screams that they've had many returns of earlier products. Reviews seem to indicate this may be the case. The reference to the "USED" unit is due to the fact that my unit arrived without the protective screen cover and was smeared with figure prints. I asked if the unit was used and of course, they denied it was. Then I found this odd way point named "JAY" and again it seemed as if someone used this unit before I got it. Instead he tells me they ship the unit with this useless way point. No big deal, but just seems odd to me is all I'm saying. well, that should give anyone enough pause to stop and think before buying from Control Vision. Regards, Tracy Petit Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199249#199249 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2008
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Anywhere Map Travel Companion (ATC) GPS
As a long time user of Anywhere Map on a couple of PDAs I can agree that some of the points you raise are common on the software. Yes, I just checked and Jay is in the standard software. Yes, their customer interaction sucks. I'm sorry the ATC hasn't proved to be as good a platform as they want you to believe. I am shopping for new PDA, and considered the ATC, but didn't want a unit that couldn't do standard PDA stuff. It is a shame, because that is a good screen size. All said and done, AWM software is still more useful to me than the Garmin stuff. I've already had a Garmin be dropped from support and updates because it wasn't designed for adequate database expansion. I never liked the toggle on the Garmin for entry of identifiers. Garmins give no path to upgrade hardware or software. To be fair, AWM hasn't updated their main software for PDAs for over 15 months and seems to be focused on the ATC and the electronic flight bags, ignoring their original customer base. smodking wrote: > > > The reference to the "USED" unit is due to the fact that my unit arrived without the protective screen cover and was smeared with figure prints. I asked if the unit was used and of course, they denied it was. Then I found this odd way point named "JAY" and again it seemed as if someone used this unit before I got it. Instead he tells me they ship the unit with this useless way point. No big deal, but just seems odd to me is all I'm saying. > > well, that should give anyone enough pause to stop and think before buying from Control Vision. > > Regards, > Tracy Petit > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Cudney <yenduc(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Anywhere Map Travel Companion (ATC) GPS
Date: Aug 18, 2008
Tracy: I have always enjoyed having the latest toys. Several years ago I purchased all the stuff (pda, external Gps, antenna, cigarette lighter attachment etc.) and Anywhere Map. I tried to make it work for several months and concluded that for me in real cross country flying -- weather, bumps, bright sun -- that I was not comfortable with the unit. I moved it over to the passenger side and returned to my Garmin for navigation. On one long trip I noticed my wife was working and concentrating on the unit -- boy was I proud of her -- then I notice that she was playing solitaire on it. The pda is in a drawer (I'm back to a manual pda (small datebook)) and I thoroughly enjoy my Garmin (396 with XM). I have talked to several people who are happy with Anywhere Map -- probably a personal preference issue. Thanks for sharing your experience. dave On Aug 18, 2008, at 7:01 AM, smodking wrote: > > 08-18-2008 > > As a new owner of the Anywhere Map ATC, I hope I can be of help with > some of the questions and concerns. > > The HP iPAQ 310 thus far has been great. It is small, has 20-channel > GPS and the screen resolution is great. Anywhere Map has issues. > > Control Vision has created an interface that allows the user to > switch between aviation and the HP road mapping software. HP uses > NavTeq, so if you have another GPS device that can't find an > address, this unit won't either. TeleAtlas, which is used by TomTom > also has issues and both mapping companies appear to use the same > data as my house is a quarter of a mile further west than the GPS > reports. > > Anywhere Map and the HP Road Map boot slowly after selecting one or > the other. The HP road map interface is very responsive to the touch > screen interface, moving the user about quickly. There is a wheel on > the side that allows the user to zoom the map and Anywhere Map uses > it too for the same thing. Anywhere Maps implementation is > unresponsive, unlike HP's. When using the Anywhere Map you must turn > once and wait to see what you got for a zoom (even stated on the web > site) verses the HP road maps that instantly update the map as you > turn the dial. Control Vision is aware of the issue, but the fix is > late. Jay Humbard reported via the web site that fixes would be out > late july and now it's mid-August. > > > The Anywhere Map software is sluggish to the touch. The user pushes > a button and often times you push it again thinking you missed it > the first time. Here is a list of issues I found and reported to > Control Vision: > > the small tabs that do not work reliably on the search for > anything page and WX page. > > When searching I select NEARBY and turnoff ShowPVT and each > time I return to search, I have to repeat these steps > > canceling a route (Flight Plan [FP] or Direct To) requires 5 > clicks to cancel (FP-->File-->Clear-->Yes-->Done). Control Vision > needs a cancel button on the first page to reduce clicks > > the sluggish performance of the touch screen performing the > requested action (button depress) > > the wheel performance for zooming > > zooming in to 1.5 nm +/- you will see aberrations in the screen > that shows horizontal lines randomly spaced (you must be navigating > or in SIM mode for the issue to show). > > panning the map delivers a delay in the screen repaint (no WX used) > > the ATC has locked up and has required the reset button to > reboot the device. I've even received a"Fatal Error" dialog box, but > once the dialog box was dismissed, the unit seemed to function the > same. SOmething crashed, but I don't know what. > > sliders on the Simulator Page that only want to work in one > direction (up) and resist movement (down) when tapped > > the itty-bitty attitude and airspeed gauges (if they worked) would > be extremely hard to read ESPECIALLY in an emergency > > searching for an airport brings up the keyboard, upon which you > type in the airport identifier, but if you press on the keyboard > verses the user is returned to the map and the search is aborted. > You have to do it all over again and be sure to press so that you > can press OK on the search page to return search values. You'd > think would initiate the search and close the keyboard overlay. > > a hard to read screen in direct sunlight. It's very bright, but if > you fly a low wing aircraft, you will likely have a hard time seeing > the screen at times. > > poor customer service. I'll explain this in a minute. > > I really think Control Vision has a great idea, but they need to > follow through with what they started. I get the sense they brought > this to market before it was ready, likely to show it off at > Oshkosh. The biggest issue is the responsiveness of the touch screen > and the size of some of the controls. In order to work the tabs > found on the WX page and the "search for anything" page, one needs a > stylus. > > The various pages that the user visits aren't consistent. Many are > gray (without color) and look very much like pages from Windows (the > unit runs on Windows) while others are in full color and provide a > nice looking interface. > > I have NOT used the XMWX, so I cannot report on connection issues, > but if you browse the web site and read the known issues and tips > for connecting, you'll see there seems to be issues to get the > bluetooth devices to talk to each other if you don't boot things in > the right sequence. It also appears if you turn off the ATC and then > later after lunch get back in the cockpit and turn it back on, > you'll NOT get WX to connect if you powered off the unit without > closing the mapping software. Again, I cannot confirm this as I have > not used XMWX on the ATC so far. > > Now about Customer Service: I called Alan Kirby on a Thursday and > never heard back from him. Late on Friday I called again and did not > reach him, though the operator said he was around. I ended up > sending him an email stating the above bullet points. I get a > response back from Jay Humbard, the CEO on Sunday afternoon. He is > his email to me: > > Dear Mr. Petit, > > First, I am sorry that your calls went unanswered. We were short > staffed on Thursday and Friday, it is vacation season and we are > bound to have a few people out this time of year. > > I am also sorry that you do not seem to care for our product. I > have looked through your list of comments and suggestions and can > tell you that some of them are being added to the list, some are > already on the list, and most seem too trivial to me to bother > adding to the list. Since I am the chief cook, bottle washer, and > the chairman of the ATC product committee, I have the final say in > these matters. > > While I appreciate your considerable experience in the field, I also > have well over 25 years experience in the field, as well as 9 years > of experience with Anywhere Map software development specifically. > We will just have to agree to disagree on most of your issues. I > will say that the ATC is the best selling product we have ever > offered, and our return rate is very low. I must say that I also > think you hit the nail on the head in your self-assesment. > > By the way, the user waypoint named "JAY" that is in your "used" > unit, is near my home. This waypoint is in every Anywhere Map > system that has ever been shipped, over 30,000 of them, and nobody > has ever regarded that as a flaw before you came along. > > If you wish to return the product, our standard terms will apply. > You may review them on our web page if you are not aware of them. I > think that you would be much happier paying an extra $1000 to > purchase a Garmin with it's pathetic user interface. > > Sincerely Jay Humbard > CEO > Control Vision Corp. > > What I found interesting is he'd rather NOT have me as a customer > and didn't think most of my comments were worthy of his time. > Instead of showing concern and asking me to bear with them while > they get the kinks worked out, he tells me to return the unit and go > buy a Garmin. > > The "self-assessment" remark is in regards to me saying "I bet you > think I'm a pain-in-the-butt" and he agreed. Great PR on the behalf > of the CEO! > > If you've ever read the return policy and I did BEFORE I purchased, > you'll notice that they want to make money on the returns. For a > point of sale that is over the internet and without the ability of > the customer to hold it and fell it, their policy is very > restrictive. It screams that they've had many returns of earlier > products. Reviews seem to indicate this may be the case. > > The reference to the "USED" unit is due to the fact that my unit > arrived without the protective screen cover and was smeared with > figure prints. I asked if the unit was used and of course, they > denied it was. Then I found this odd way point named "JAY" and again > it seemed as if someone used this unit before I got it. Instead he > tells me they ship the unit with this useless way point. No big > deal, but just seems odd to me is all I'm saying. > > well, that should give anyone enough pause to stop and think before > buying from Control Vision. > > Regards, > Tracy Petit > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199249#199249 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2008
Subject: New style VFR charts
From: James H Nelson <rv9jim(at)juno.com>
Hi John, I just ordered the new VFR-GPS maps for the Florida / Georgia area. I was their first customer according to the girl I talked to at Jeppesen. It cost me $44.33 for the Fla., Ga., / Tampa and Atlanta detail maps. A bit expensive but I'll wait and see how they look and ease of use. Jim ____________________________________________________________ Ultimate Travel Deals - Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3msU643WSVURHusaUlvNwgDm5VhSZBxc1I5ZyKlE3eCWqyqX/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2008
From: George Inman 204 287 8334 <ghinman(at)mts.net>
Subject: Flight Calculator in Excel
I made up a flight calculator in MS Excel go to http://www.mts.net/~ghinman/ download a copy and check it out. You can use it in a laptop or pocketPC. Suggestions on improvement welcome. -- George H. Inman ghinman(at)mts.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2008
From: Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net>
Subject: need lathe help
Hi gang, I'm doing a little experiment. I just purchased a few hard rubber wheels from Surplus Center to see if they can be used as a tail wheel replacement. They cost $4.95 each, and have really nice sealed ball bearings (6203-RSV). They have a 2 1/8 " hub width, so mounting with a few spacer washers will work.The problem is that the bore of the ball bearing is 17 mm. Can someone on the list make me an aluminum or steel reduction bushing, 17mm OD, 3/8" ID, and 2 1/8" long? OR do any of you bearing gurus know of a replacement bearing ? This whole thing may be a bust, but that's why we build experimentals. Also, S/C has 3000 of these wheels in stock. Thanks for reading. Even more thanks if someone has a solution. Louis Louis I Willig 1640 Oakwood Dr. Penn Valley, PA 19072 610 668-4964 RV-4, N180PF 190HP IO-360, C/S prop ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2008
From: Dave Nellis <truflite(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: need lathe help
I have some stock here that I can make that for you, no problem. Send me your mailing address and I will drop it in the mail for you. Email to davidnellis691(at)comcast.net Dave Nellis --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Louis Willig wrote: > From: Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net> > Subject: RV-List: need lathe help > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 5:42 PM > > > > Hi gang, > > I'm doing a little experiment. I just purchased a few > hard rubber > wheels from Surplus Center to see if they can be used as a > tail wheel > replacement. They cost $4.95 each, and have really nice > sealed ball > bearings (6203-RSV). They have a 2 1/8 " hub width, so > mounting with > a few spacer washers will work.The problem is that the bore > of the > ball bearing is 17 mm. Can someone on the list make me an > aluminum or > steel reduction bushing, 17mm OD, 3/8" ID, and 2 > 1/8" long? OR do any > of you bearing gurus know of a replacement bearing ? This > whole > thing may be a bust, but that's why we build > experimentals. Also, S/C > has 3000 of these wheels in stock. Thanks for reading. Even > more > thanks if someone has a solution. > > Louis > > > > Louis I Willig > 1640 Oakwood Dr. > Penn Valley, PA 19072 > 610 668-4964 > RV-4, N180PF > 190HP IO-360, C/S prop > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2008
From: Mike Divan <n343fd(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Anywhere Map Travel Companion (ATC) GPS
I wish I had seen this BEFORE I purchased my AWP ATC. I have not flown wit h it but I have noticed it has issues. Still messing with it might take it up in a day or two. The customer service issue people have make me want to return the unit today.=0A=0A Mike Divan=0AN64GH - RV6,flying :)=0ASLOW 7 Bu ilder :(=0AEAA - 577486=0AFREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS!=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: smodking <tracy.p etit(at)verizon.net>=0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, August 18, 20 08 7:01:06 AM=0ASubject: RV-List: Re: Anywhere Map Travel Companion (ATC) G =0A=0A08-18-2008=0A=0AAs a new owner of the Anywhere Map ATC, I hope I can be of help with some of the questions and concerns.=0A=0AThe HP iPAQ 310 th us far has been great. It is small, has 20-channel GPS and the screen resol ution is great. Anywhere Map has issues.=0A=0AControl Vision has created an interface that allows the user to switch between aviation and the HP road mapping software. HP uses NavTeq, so if you have another GPS device that ca n't find an address, this unit won't either. TeleAtlas, which is used by To mTom also has issues and both mapping companies appear to use the same data as my house is a quarter of a mile further west than the GPS reports.=0A =0AAnywhere Map and the HP Road Map boot slowly after selecting one or the other. The HP road map interface is very responsive to the touch screen int erface, moving the user about quickly. There is a wheel on the side that al lows the user to zoom the map and Anywhere Map uses it too for the same thi ng. Anywhere Maps implementation is unresponsive, unlike HP's. When using t he Anywhere Map you must turn once and wait to see what you got for a zoom (even stated on the web site) verses the HP road maps that instantly update the map as you turn the dial. Control Vision is aware of the issue, but th e fix is late. Jay Humbard reported via the web site that fixes would be ou t late july and now it's mid-August.=0A=0A=0AThe Anywhere Map software is s luggish to the touch. The user pushes a button and often times you push it again thinking you missed it the first time. Here is a list of issues I fou nd and reported to Control Vision:=0A=0A=B7 the small tabs that do not work reliably on the =93search for anything=94 page and WX page.=0A=0A=B7 When searching I select =93NEARBY=94 and turnoff =93ShowPVT=94 and each time I r eturn to search, I have to repeat these steps =0A=0A=B7 canceling a route ( Flight Plan [FP] or Direct To) requires 5 =93clicks=94 to cancel (FP-->Fil e-->Clear-->Yes-->Done). Control Vision needs a =93cancel button on the fir st page to reduce =93clicks=94=0A=0A=B7 the sluggish performance of the tou ch screen performing the requested action (button depress)=0A=0A=B7 the whe el performance for zooming=0A=0A=B7 zooming in to 1.5 nm +/- you will see a berrations in the screen that shows horizontal lines randomly spaced (you m ust be navigating or in SIM mode for the issue to show).=0A=0A=B7 panning t he map delivers a delay in the screen repaint (no WX used)=0A=0A=B7 the ATC has locked up and has required the =93reset=94 button to reboot the device . I've even received a"Fatal Error" dialog box, but once the dialog box was dismissed, the unit seemed to function the same. SOmething crashed, but I don't know what.=0A=0A=B7 sliders on the Simulator Page that only want to w ork in one direction (up) and resist movement (down) when tapped =0A=0A=B7 the itty-bitty attitude and airspeed gauges (if they worked) would be extre mely hard to read ESPECIALLY in an emergency=0A=0A=B7 searching for an airp ort brings up the keyboard, upon which you type in the airport identifier, but if you press on the keyboard verses the user is returned to the map a nd the search is aborted. You have to do it all over again and be sure to p ress so that you can press OK on the search page to return search values. You'd think would initiate the search and close the keyboard overlay.=0A =0A=B7 a hard to read screen in direct sunlight. It's very bright, but if y ou fly a low wing aircraft, you will likely have a hard time seeing the scr een at times.=0A=0A=B7 poor customer service. I'll explain this in a minute .=0A=0AI really think Control Vision has a great idea, but they need to fol low through with what they started. I get the sense they brought this to ma rket before it was ready, likely to show it off at Oshkosh. The biggest iss ue is the responsiveness of the touch screen and the size of some of the co ntrols. In order to work the tabs found on the WX page and the "search for anything" page, one needs a stylus.=0A=0AThe various pages that the user vi sits aren't consistent. Many are gray (without color) and look very much li ke pages from Windows (the unit runs on Windows) while others are in full c olor and provide a nice looking interface. =0A=0AI have NOT used the XMWX, so I cannot report on connection issues, but if you browse the web site and read the known issues and tips for connecting, you'll see there seems to b e issues to get the bluetooth devices to talk to each other if you don't bo ot things in the right sequence. It also appears if you turn off the ATC an d then later after lunch get back in the cockpit and turn it back on, you'l l NOT get WX to connect if you powered off the unit without closing the map ping software. Again, I cannot confirm this as I have not used XMWX on the ATC so far.=0A=0ANow about Customer Service: I called Alan Kirby on a Thurs day and never heard back from him. Late on Friday I called again and did no t reach him, though the operator said he was around. I ended up sending him an email stating the above bullet points. I get a response back from Jay H umbard, the CEO on Sunday afternoon. He is his email to me:=0A=0ADear Mr. P etit, =0A=0AFirst, I am sorry that your calls went unanswered. We were sho rt staffed on Thursday and Friday, it is vacation season and we are bound t o have a few people out this time of year.=0A=0AI am also sorry that you do not seem to care for our product. I have looked through your list of comm ents and suggestions and can tell you that some of them are being added to the list, some are already on the list, and most seem too trivial to me to bother adding to the list. Since I am the chief cook, bottle washer, and th e chairman of the ATC product committee, I have the final say in these matt ers. =0A=0AWhile I appreciate your considerable experience in the field, I also have well over 25 years experience in the field, as well as 9 years of experience with Anywhere Map software development specifically. We will j ust have to agree to disagree on most of your issues. I will say that the ATC is the best selling product we have ever offered, and our return rate i s very low. I must say that I also think you hit the nail on the head in y our self-assesment. =0A=0ABy the way, the user waypoint named "JAY" that is in your "used" unit, is near my home. This waypoint is in every Anywhere Map system that has ever been shipped, over 30,000 of them, and nobody has ever regarded that as a flaw before you came along.=0A=0AIf you wish to re turn the product, our standard terms will apply. You may review them on ou r web page if you are not aware of them. I think that you would be much ha ppier paying an extra $1000 to purchase a Garmin with it's pathetic user in terface. =0A=0ASincerely Jay Humbard=0ACEO=0AControl Vision Corp.=0A=0AWhat I found interesting is he'd rather NOT have me as a customer and didn't th ink most of my comments were worthy of his time. Instead of showing concern and asking me to bear with them while they get the kinks worked out, he te lls me to return the unit and go buy a Garmin.=0A=0AThe "self-assessment" r emark is in regards to me saying "I bet you think I'm a pain-in-the-butt" a nd he agreed. Great PR on the behalf of the CEO!=0A=0AIf you've ever read t he return policy and I did BEFORE I purchased, you'll notice that they want to make money on the returns. For a point of sale that is over the interne t and without the ability of the customer to hold it and fell it, their pol icy is very restrictive. It screams that they've had many returns of earlie r products. Reviews seem to indicate this may be the case.=0A=0AThe referen ce to the "USED" unit is due to the fact that my unit arrived without the p rotective screen cover and was smeared with figure prints. I asked if the u nit was used and of course, they denied it was. Then I found this odd way p oint named "JAY" and again it seemed as if someone used this unit before I got it. Instead he tells me they ship the unit with this useless way point. No big deal, but just seems odd to me is all I'm saying.=0A=0Awell, that s hould give anyone enough pause to stop and think before buying from Control Vision.=0A=0ARegards,=0ATracy Petit=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online h ere:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199249#199249=0A=0A ==========0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2008
From: Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: need lathe help
At 07:52 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote: > > >I have some stock here that I can make that for you, no >problem. Send me your mailing address and I will drop it in the >mail for you. Email to > >davidnellis691(at)comcast.net Dave, You are a jewel without a price!! My address is: 1640 Oakwood Drive W-105 Penn Valley, PA 19072 If this works well, I'll send you the other wheel for your own use. Thanks you. Louis ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2008
From: "RALPH HOOVER" <hooverra(at)verizon.net>
Subject: canopy latch
Try. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aerolocksets.php I used a lock that came with the ACS ignition switch but this looks about the same. Ralph Hoover -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidbf(at)centurytel.net Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:07 PM Subject: RV-List: canopy latch I have a sliding canopy RV6 with a canopy rail type locking latch. I have a situation where I need to replace it due to a key mishap where I had to drill it out to get back in to my locked canopy at a remote airport. Anyway I cannot find a receipt to where I purchased it and was wondering if anybody remembers seeing these locks made for the side skirt & slot in canopy rail for the 6, 7, 9 canopies. The key says ACS on it and I thought it would be Aircraft Spruce but I checked old catalogues that I have and haven't found it, even called them they said no such thing. They did have a mini canopy latch which I ordered and it is too small to fill the hole. It's the same idea though, a blade that turns 90 deg.& slips into the slotted rail. Anybody remember seeing these anywhere? Thanks, Dave Ford RV6 flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: cheap tailwheel tire
Date: Aug 19, 2008
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
SNIP Hi gang, I'm doing a little experiment. I just purchased a few hard rubber wheels from Surplus Center to see if they can be used as a tail wheel replacement. They cost $4.95 each, and have really nice sealed ball bearings (6203-RSV). They have a 2 1/8 " hub width, so mounting with a few spacer washers will work.The problem is that the bore of the ball bearing is 17 mm. Can someone on the list make me an aluminum or steel reduction bushing, 17mm OD, 3/8" ID, and 2 1/8" long? OR do any of you bearing gurus know of a replacement bearing ? This whole thing may be a bust, but that's why we build experimentals. Also, S/C has 3000 of these wheels in stock. Thanks for reading. Even more thanks if someone has a solution. Louis SNIP Louis and others, I've been involved in tailwheels for several years now. These tires might be just fine, but be careful with the bearings. I've found that many bearings aren't always up to the job. You might find out too... at an inconvenient time, like on roll out with a crosswind! I no longer offer tires like these due to too many problems. If you want a GOOD tire, order one from Wayne Hadath (Canada) or me. The tire that I offer is 6 oz LIGHTER than the type from the Surplus Center. Sure, it's $65 instead of $5... but you get what you pay for. I'd wager that 3000 surplus tires wouldn't be on auction if they were perfect, or even marginal! Vince http://www.vincesrocket.com/products.htm What's on your tail? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Anywhere Map Travel Companion (ATC) GPS
Date: Aug 19, 2008
From: "David Swett" <DSwett(at)ARRI.com>
I purchased mine in March. Locked up at least ten times on the way back from OSH to So. Cal. Wish I had known about customer service before buying as well. Will buy Garmin next time. David Swett Lead Service Engineer Digital Imaging Systems Mobile: (818) 915-8431 Office: (818) 841-7070 Email: dswett(at)arri.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2008
From: "Ollie Washburn" <ollie6a(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Calendar
While I was at Oshkosh someone on the list asked about a Van's calendar. Well between Osh and home I lost the contact,so if you still want a calendar contact me again. Ollie Central FL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Neal George" <n8zg(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Who is this guy
Date: Aug 20, 2008
Listers - Do any of you recognize the email address --futuredivot at gmail.com--? neal ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 20, 2008
From: "Larry Bowen" <larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Subject: Re: Who is this guy
Some info here: http://www.google.com/search?q=futuredivot -- Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Hanger sublet available at 8A7 On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Neal George wrote: > > > Listers ' > > > Do any of you recognize the email address --futuredivot at gmail.com--? > > > neal > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com>
Subject: Re: canopy latch
Date: Aug 20, 2008
Dave, I did locksmith work in my hardware store for 40 years. You are describing a standard "vending machine or cam lock". They are available at most good hardware stores or locksmiths. The are available in a large variation in lengths of the body portion, and also different lengths and offsets of the operating cam. I have one installed on my RV8. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one ----- Original Message ----- From: <davidbf(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: RV-List: canopy latch > > I have a sliding canopy RV6 with a canopy rail type locking latch. I have > a > situation where I need to replace it due to a key mishap where I had to > drill > it out to get back in to my locked canopy at a remote airport. Anyway I > cannot > find a receipt to where I purchased it and was wondering if anybody > remembers > seeing these locks made for the side skirt & slot in canopy rail for the > 6, 7, > 9 canopies. The key says ACS on it and I thought it would be Aircraft > Spruce > but I checked old catalogues that I have and haven't found it, even called > them > they said no such thing. They did have a mini canopy latch which I > ordered and > it is too small to fill the hole. It's the same idea though, a blade that > turns 90 deg.& slips into the slotted rail. Anybody remember seeing these > anywhere? Thanks, > > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Neal George" <n8zg(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Who is this guy
Date: Aug 21, 2008
Thanks Larry! About the time I sent the question, my wife figured it out, too. From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:27 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Who is this guy Some info here: http://www.google.com/search?q=futuredivot -- Larry Bowen Larry(at)BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Hanger sublet available at 8A7 On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Neal George wrote: Listers - Do any of you recognize the email address --futuredivot at gmail.com--? neal t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com>
Subject: canopy latch
Date: Aug 21, 2008
Beware if you purchase one from a hardware store that the key will be allowed to be removed when the lock is open. I have one of these and it is useless for my RV. I cannot get the key out unless the lock is closed. Would look funny flying with the key hanging out the outside of the canopy. Tim Bryan RV-6 Flying N616TB over 100 hours now > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dick martin > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:44 PM > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: canopy latch > > > Dave, > I did locksmith work in my hardware store for 40 years. You are > describing > a standard "vending machine or cam lock". They are available at most > good > hardware stores or locksmiths. The are available in a large variation > in > lengths of the body portion, and also different lengths and offsets of > the > operating cam. I have one installed on my RV8. > Dick Martin > RV8 N233M > the fast one > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <davidbf(at)centurytel.net> > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:07 PM > Subject: RV-List: canopy latch > > > > > > I have a sliding canopy RV6 with a canopy rail type locking latch. I > have > > a > > situation where I need to replace it due to a key mishap where I had > to > > drill > > it out to get back in to my locked canopy at a remote airport. > Anyway I > > cannot > > find a receipt to where I purchased it and was wondering if anybody > > remembers > > seeing these locks made for the side skirt & slot in canopy rail for > the > > 6, 7, > > 9 canopies. The key says ACS on it and I thought it would be > Aircraft > > Spruce > > but I checked old catalogues that I have and haven't found it, even > called > > them > > they said no such thing. They did have a mini canopy latch which I > > ordered and > > it is too small to fill the hole. It's the same idea though, a blade > that > > turns 90 deg.& slips into the slotted rail. Anybody remember seeing > these > > anywhere? Thanks, > > > > Dave Ford > > RV6 flying > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Emrath" <emrath(at)comcast.net>
Subject: New 406 ELT
Date: Aug 21, 2008
Listers, I am wondering if anyone saw the new 406 ELT from Ameri-King at AirVenture? I received this as a result of my inquire thru the Ameri-King web site. Thank you for your Email, our ELT P/N AK-451 with G-switch for 406.0/121.5/243.0 MHz to be installed on the aircraft have just received the FAA TSO C126 approved . So that we shall ship your order today. Your special price if you want to order now for P/N AK-451 406/121.5/243.5 MHz is $849.00 ea. incuded both fixed and portable antennas. All of the accessories are the same size, it will take only a few minutes to do installation to exchange to new ELT AK-451. The new ELT 406.0 MHz P/N AK-451 with G-swich to be installed inside aircraft will be display at OSHKOSH during AIRVENTURE at CESSNA AIRCRAFT BOOTH inside CESSNA SKYCATCHER LIGHT SPORT AIRCRAFT. Please accept our sincere appreciation for your interest in AMERI-KING'S products. I'll look forward to hearing from you soon. <<< AND THIS NEXT ONE <<< Thank you for your Email, the batteries are 4 D-cell Lithium. All of the accessories and the cables of the ELT AK-451 shall be exactly the same sizes as ELT AK-450. The exchange installations to the new ELT AK-451 shall be very fast only a just a few minutes. BEST REGARDS, VICTOR VAN SALES MANAGER AMERI-KING CORP. 17881 Sampson Lane Huntington Beach, CA 92648 USA Tel (714) 842-8555 Fax (714) 842-4235 Email ameriking9(at)aol.com Web Site: www.ameri-king.com Marty in Brentwood TN RV-6A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 21, 2008
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Construction question for RV-8(A) Elevator
My Drawing 4PP (circa 2000), which Vans has "somewheres", is confusing to me: 1) This drawing shows the "DIMENSIONS of Elevator Spar E-602PP" (narrow end) with cutouts of 3/4" X 5/8". What is this cut-out for - does not make sense ?? 2) Section B-B: Shows the E-602PP Spar mating to the aft end of the E-604 Rib. It looks like the aft end of E-604 Ribs "flange" is cut out so as to not interfere with the E-602PPs "flange" at this point. Is this correct ?? 3) Section B-B: Shows a "dashed line" where the above Spar and Rib meet. IF the aft end of E-604 Rib's flange is cut-out, what does this "dash line" signify as nothing is there ??? 3) Earle in Florida I lost your phone number. Need a little clarification HELP. Thank you, Garey Wittich (310) 392-1682 Santa Monica, CA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2008
From: Tom & Cathy Ervin <tcervin(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: New 406 ELT
Marty, Tell Victor I'll take one at that price. Also I'm a current customer of Ameri-King Corp. Tom in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emrath" <emrath(at)comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:42:22 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: RV-List: New 406 ELT Listers, I am wondering if anyone saw the new 406 ELT from Ameri-King at AirVenture? I received this as a result of my inquire thru the Ameri-King web site. Thank you for your Email, our ELT P/N AK-451 with G-switch for 406.0/121.5/243.0 MHz to be installed on the aircraft have just received the FAA TSO C126 approved . So that we shall ship your order today. Your special price if you want to order now for P/N AK-451 406/121.5/243.5 MHz is $849.00 ea. incuded both fixed and portable antennas. All of the accessories are the same size, it will take only a few minutes to do installation to exchange to new ELT AK-451. The new ELT 406.0 MHz P/N AK-451 with G-swich to be installed inside aircraft will be display at OSHKOSH during AIRVENTURE at CESSNA AIRCRAFT BOOTH inside CESSNA SKYCATCHER LIGHT SPORT AIRCRAFT. Please accept our sincere appreciation for your interest in AMERI-KING'S products. I'll look forward to hearing from you soon. <<< AND THIS NEXT ONE <<< Thank you for your Email, the batteries are 4 D-cell Lithium. All of the accessories and the cables of the ELT AK-451 shall be exactly the same sizes as ELT AK-450. The exchange installations to the new ELT AK-451 shall be very fast only a just a few minutes. BEST REGARDS, VICTOR VAN SALES MANAGER AMERI-KING CORP. 17881 Sampson Lane Huntington Beach, CA 92648 USA Tel (714) 842-8555 Fax (714) 842-4235 Email ameriking9(at)aol.com Web Site: www.ameri-king.com Marty in Brentwood TN RV-6A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2008
From: Dave Nellis <truflite(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: need lathe help
Louis, I have your bushing made and it will be in the mail today, Friday, by US Mail. If you would compensate for shipping, I will call it even. You will notice small grooves in the metal. They are barely .001" deep. I polished the outside and it makes the grooves stand out. They should not be a problem. Keep the bushing greased as the metal will rust if left unprotected. The outside diameter is -.001" from 17 MM. This will allow a slip fit. The inside diameter is +.0002 for a slip fit of the bolt. I do not need a tailwheel. I am building a nosedragger. Thanks for the offer. Dave --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Louis Willig wrote: > From: Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net> > Subject: Re: RV-List: need lathe help > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 8:30 PM > > > At 07:52 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >I have some stock here that I can make that for you, no > > >problem. Send me your mailing address and I will drop > it in the > >mail for you. Email to > > > >davidnellis691(at)comcast.net > > Dave, > > You are a jewel without a price!! > > My address is: 1640 Oakwood Drive > W-105 > Penn Valley, PA 19072 > > If this works well, I'll send you the other wheel for > your own use. > > Thanks you. > > Louis > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2008
From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New 406 ELT
I'd suggest checking the archives for Victor first, as in Not having to deal with Victor: priceless.". It was a long time ago, but unforgettable. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. -Stormy On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Tom & Cathy Ervin wrote: > > Marty, Tell Victor I'll take one at that price. Also I'm a current > customer of Ameri-King Corp. > Tom in Ohio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emrath" <emrath(at)comcast.net> > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:42:22 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York > Subject: RV-List: New 406 ELT > > > Listers, > I am wondering if anyone saw the new 406 ELT from Ameri-King at AirVenture? > I received this as a result of my inquire thru the Ameri-King web site. > > > Thank you for your Email, our ELT P/N AK-451 with G-switch for > 406.0/121.5/243.0 MHz to be installed on the aircraft > have just received the FAA TSO C126 approved . > So that we shall ship your order today. > > Your special price if you want to order now for > P/N AK-451 406/121.5/243.5 MHz is $849.00 ea. incuded both fixed and > portable antennas. > > All of the accessories are the same size, it will take only a few minutes > to > do installation to exchange to new ELT AK-451. > > The new ELT 406.0 MHz P/N AK-451 with G-swich to be installed inside > aircraft will be display at OSHKOSH during AIRVENTURE > at CESSNA AIRCRAFT BOOTH inside CESSNA SKYCATCHER LIGHT SPORT AIRCRAFT. > > Please accept our sincere appreciation for your interest in AMERI-KING'S > products. I'll look forward to hearing from you soon. > > <<< > AND THIS NEXT ONE > <<< > > Thank you for your Email, the batteries are 4 D-cell Lithium. > > > All of the accessories and the cables of the ELT AK-451 shall be exactly > the > same sizes as ELT AK-450. The exchange installations to the new ELT AK-451 > shall be very fast only a just a few minutes. > > > BEST REGARDS, > > > VICTOR VAN > SALES MANAGER > AMERI-KING CORP. > 17881 Sampson Lane > Huntington Beach, CA 92648 USA > Tel (714) 842-8555 > Fax (714) 842-4235 > Email ameriking9(at)aol.com > Web Site: www.ameri-king.com > > > Marty in Brentwood TN RV-6A > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Dudley" <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Test
Date: Aug 22, 2008
Test. Missed any traffic today. Rich ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Joe & Jan Connell" <jconnell(at)fmwildblue.com>
Subject: 406 Mhz ELT Testing
Date: Aug 22, 2008
Guys, On every annual condition check I've tested my ELT with our local tower by transmitting 3 sweeps on the hour. The tower would confirm the presence of the ELT tone on 121.5 comment about its signal strength. How do we test the new ELTs? I'm out of the loop on this... Thanks. Joe Connell RV-9A N95JJ (Fairings - sand - sand - sand...) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 22, 2008
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: 406 Mhz ELT Testing
Requirements are spelled out in 91.207 (d). Note that all 406 transmitters also contain 121.5 transmitters and that likely is what you will have to check, since few of us are likely to have 406 Mhz receivers. Joe & Jan Connell wrote: > Guys, > > On every annual condition check I've tested my ELT with our local > tower by transmitting 3 sweeps on the hour. The tower would confirm > the presence of the ELT tone on 121.5 comment about its signal > strength. How do we test the new ELTs? I'm out of the loop on this... > > Thanks. > > Joe Connell > RV-9A N95JJ (Fairings - sand - sand - sand...) > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
From: "AndrewTR30" <AndrewTR30(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2008
Here is a little more info from the RV-10 forum: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47569 Todays media is so far from being objective that it is literally frightening. -------- Andrew Rayhill RV-10 40078 Phoenix Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0097#200097 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
From: "AndrewTR30" <AndrewTR30(at)AOL.COM>
Date: Aug 23, 2008
Here is a little more info from the RV-10 forum: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47569 Todays media is so far from being objective that it is literally frightening. -------- Andrew Rayhill RV-10 40078 Phoenix Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0098#200098 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
From: "AndrewTR30" <AndrewTR30(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 23, 2008
Here is a little more info from the RV-10 forum: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47569 Todays media is so far from being objective that it is literally frightening. -------- Andrew Rayhill RV-10 40078 Phoenix Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0099#200099 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 23, 2008
From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
Tom Gummo wrote: > Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash > > > I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot > and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las Vegas. > It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of flight > time. I went on the Internet to find a little more info. I was > shocked to read the comments of the airport director. Aero-News reported Saturday morning the following: "FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said the plane crashed at 0628 local time Friday, shortly after takeoff from North Las Vegas Airport (VGT). The pilot radioed mayday to the VGT before the plane went down, telling controllers he was unable to gain altitude. The impact sparked a fire, that emergency crews were able to quickly extinguish. Gregor told The Seattle Times the accident aircraft was approved by the FAA in 2002, and was owned by a Las Vegas resident." If this report is factual it sounds like the plane had been in service for quite some time.


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