RV-Archive.digest.vol-tx
January 30, 2009 - March 03, 2009
Paul Besing
-3 hour bladder
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| From: | Shemp <shempdowling(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Whelan white position light |
Just wondering if anyone knows if the rear white light bulb on the
whelan wingtip combo strobe/position light is a standard bulb or do I
have to pay 18 bucks for the thing.
tia
Jeff Shemp Dowling
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| From: | "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)glasair.org> |
| Subject: | Whelan white position light |
I believe it's non-standard.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shemp
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 4:10 PM
Subject: RV-List: Whelan white position light
Just wondering if anyone knows if the rear white light bulb on the
whelan wingtip combo strobe/position light is a standard bulb or do I
have to pay 18 bucks for the thing.
tia
Jeff Shemp Dowling
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| From: | "John Fasching" <n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com> |
Simply as a project I built an auxiliary fuel tank to mount in my RV6A
in place of a passengter. It was shaped to fit in that area and holds 18
gallons. I was happy to have it, because my main tanks began to show the
dreaded pealing of the
slosh material. As I was waiting for Johnson to make me two new tanks I
flew for several months using only that aux tank, and it took a while to
get used to have fuel right next to me. With the aux tank plus mains I
could carry 56 gallons, and at a burn at 6.1 gph I could get 9-hours, 10
minutes until fuel exhaustion. M\y aim was non-stop from central
Colorado to Oshkosh. ... never did it but the project was
interesting....
FWIW John
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| From: | "Neal George" <n8zg(at)mchsi.com> |
| Subject: | Whelan white position light |
Shemp -
This one looks remarkably similar to an automotive turn signal / marker
light.
It's marked:
SYL
ERC
Or maybe it's
SYL
ERG
The receptacle is marked: TP20 - (bulb type?)
Neal
Just wondering if anyone knows if the rear white light bulb on the
whelan wingtip combo strobe/position light is a standard bulb or do I
have to pay 18 bucks for the thing.
tia
Jeff Shemp Dowling
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| Subject: | Whelan white position light |
If you've got a strobe in the tail (combo strobe & white tail light) it's
non-standard. If the strobes are only on the wing tips the tail & wing nav
lights use a standard bulb.
Regards,
Greg Young
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shemp
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:10 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Whelan white position light
>
>
> Just wondering if anyone knows if the rear white light bulb
> on the whelan wingtip combo strobe/position light is a
> standard bulb or do I have to pay 18 bucks for the thing.
>
> tia
> Jeff Shemp Dowling
>
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Whelan white position light |
I tried one of these. It is much dimmer than the grossly over priced
replacement bulb that I ended up buying anyway.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neal George
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Whelan white position light
Shemp -
This one looks remarkably similar to an automotive turn signal / marker
light.
It's marked:
SYL
ERC
Or maybe it's
SYL
ERG
The receptacle is marked: TP20 - (bulb type?)
Neal
Just wondering if anyone knows if the rear white light bulb on the whelan
wingtip combo strobe/position light is a standard bulb or do I have to pay
18 bucks for the thing.
tia
Jeff Shemp Dowling
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| From: | Bill Boyd <sportav8r(at)gmail.com> |
My audio panel auction ends on eBay in 24 hours: Garmin GMA 340 item #
180324111312
-Bill B -6A flying
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| Subject: | RV-6 / 6a kits for sale |
| From: | Scott Kuebler <scottam65(at)gmail.com> |
RV-6 / 6a kits for sale.
Empennage: Complete except for fiberglass tips. Includes electric elevator
trim kit. All parts are alodined and primed with Marhyde primer.
Wings & Phlogiston Spar: Both skeletons fully assembled. Top skins
riveted. Both tanks are complete and sealed. Flaps and ailerons complete,
but not fitted. Includes electric aileron trim kit. All parts are alodined
and primed with Deft epoxy primer (Mil-P-23377G).
Both kits are the pre-punched versions purchased in 1997 & 1998 by myself.
Construction is excellent. Preview plans and Orndorff videos are included
for both kits.
Detailed photos are available upon request.
Must sell. The first $3500 takes it all. Buyer arranges transportation.
If all items were purchased separately the price would be more than $6500
for the unassembled kits.
Regards,
Scott Kuebler
Buffalo, NY
716-510-0318- cell
scottam65(at)gmail.com
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| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
I searched the archives and was surprised to find very little
information on this subject. I have a RV-4 stuck in the hangar due to
12" of snow on an unplowed grass strip... I'm itching to fly and was
wanted info on putting skis on my RV. Anyone done it? Recommended
type/brand of skis? I know very little on this subject and looking
for some help/advice.
Thanks
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" <jfogarty(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Skis for RV-4 |
Mike, One problem I can think of is the low wing aircraft. I'm sure
someone will have a photo of an RV4 on skis. Van's may have a good answer
to this question, I wonder if the landing gear is up to the task? Also, the
angle of the gear would seem prone to nose over in rough snow or ice. This
should be a great thread, however, you may want to purchase a high wing for
this operation or move to a local plowed field. Less money, less work and
more fun!
Jim
RV9a building
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Kraus" <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: RV-List: Skis for RV-4
>
> I searched the archives and was surprised to find very little information
> on this subject. I have a RV-4 stuck in the hangar due to 12" of snow on
> an unplowed grass strip... I'm itching to fly and was wanted info on
> putting skis on my RV. Anyone done it? Recommended type/brand of skis?
> I know very little on this subject and looking for some help/advice.
>
> Thanks
> -Mike Kraus
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
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| From: | "Maurice B." <bmrv09(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi:
Question.. I would like to use one of my email services=2C exclusively for
the rv list. How can I do that?
If I enter my email=2C and subscribe=2C will that be all? Any email from
the list=2C will not show up on the other two mails..?
Thaks for the help
maurice
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| From: | Charles Kuss <chaskuss(at)yahoo.com> |
Maurice,
That is correct.
Charlie Kuss
--- On Tue, 2/3/09, Maurice B. wrote:
> From: Maurice B. <bmrv09(at)hotmail.com>
> Subject: RV-List: hi
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 5:05 PM
> Hi:
>
> Question.. I would like to use one of my email services,
> exclusively for the rv list. How can I do that?
>
> If I enter my email, and subscribe, will that be all? Any
> email from the list, will not show up on the other two
> mails..?
>
> Thaks for the help
>
> maurice
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 Flap Sensor - A Simple Installation Design...? |
Does anyone have a simple, reliable installation design for the little position
sensor from MAC Trim when used with the Electric Flap option on the PP QB RV-8?
I've scratched my head for few hours now and have some ideas, but nothing
that really seems like its simple enough or not prone to jamming. What have other
builders done? Pictures would be great!
Thanks,
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880/N998RV (res)
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| From: | Vanremog(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Flap Position Indicator Installation |
Matt-
Not on your 8, but on my 6A this has been working swell for since day one.
I don't know how different the 8 setup is, but maybe you can adapt some
aspect of my installation for your situation. This is the MAC position sender
with the greatest throw.
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 912hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
**************Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to
stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022)
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| From: | Charles Rowbotham <crowbotham(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 Flap Sensor - A Simple Installation Design...? |
Hi Matt=2C
While Dave and I did not utilize a MAC flap indicator on our 8=2C we did in
stall a micro switch for our AOA (now Advanced Flight Systems) to toggle be
tween cruise and landing configuration. We utilized a micro switch that act
ivated at 20 degrees flap extension. It was a simple bracket located on the
opposite end of the flap weldment ( right side of the bracket - facing for
ward). Before Jim Frantz sold his AOA company to Advanced Flight Systems th
ere was a picture of the installation. You might call Advanced and see if t
hey still have a copy of the installation jpegs or le me know and I'll try
and find it.
Chuck Rowbotham
(RV-8A sold)
Dave has a RV-9A underconstruction) (Repeat offender)
> Date: Tue=2C 3 Feb 2009 20:03:42 -0800> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com> From
: dralle(at)matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Flap Sensor - A Simple Insta
llation Design...?> > > Does anyone have a simple=2C reliable installation
design for the little position sensor from MAC Trim when used with the Elec
tric Flap option on the PP QB RV-8? I've scratched my head for few hours no
w and have some ideas=2C but nothing that really seems like its simple enou
gh or not prone to jamming. What have other builders done? Pictures would b
e great!> > Thanks=2C> > Matt Dralle> RV-8 #82880/N998RV (res)
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| From: | Tailgummer(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Flap Sensor - A Simple Installation Design...? |
Matt, I simply bent a piece of scrap Al (025 or 032??) to mount my POS-12.
Since the screws fastening the support to the bulkhead were inside of the
baggage wall (between the baggage wall and the fuselage skin), I used #6 nut
plates (for future service). In addition the termination of the wires (pins and
barrels) are on the fwd side of the bulkhead (in case I needed to change out
the sensor in the future... old photo during construction). You'll need to
adjust the length/position of the threaded rod/clevis for the appropriate travel
Pretty simple and has worked well on my AF2500.
John D'Onofrio
RV8 N585JD
(_Tailgummer(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Tailgummer(at)aol.com) )
In a message dated 2/4/2009 4:36:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
crowbotham(at)hotmail.com writes:
Does anyone have a simple, reliable installation design for the little
position sensor from MAC Trim when used with the Electric Flap option on the PP
QB
RV-8? I've scratched my head for few hours now and have some ideas, but
nothing that really seems like its simple enough or not prone to jamming. What
have other builders done? Pictures would be great!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880/N998RV (res)
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| From: | Tailgummer(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Flap Sensor - A Simple Installation Design...? |
Forgot the photo, sorry.
John D'Onofrio
In a message dated 2/4/2009 4:36:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
crowbotham(at)hotmail.com writes:
From: dralle(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: RV-8 Flap Sensor - A Simple Installation Design...?
>
>
> Does anyone have a simple, reliable installation design for the little
position sensor from MAC Trim when used with the Electric Flap option on the PP
QB RV-8? I've scratched my head for few hours now and have some ideas, but
nothing that really seems like its simple enough or not prone to jamming. What
have other builders done? Pictures would be great!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880/N998RV (res)
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| From: | Glen Matejcek <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Flap Sensor - A Simple Installation Design...? |
Hi Matt-
I've used that sensor in my -8, and would be happy to send you pix. Unfortunately,
I'm on the road this week and will not be able to access the pix until the
beginning of next week.
GM
Glen Matejcek
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| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: ACK E-04 406MHz ELT |
I have been monitoring ACK's new ELT development, because we use the same
HALT testing lab for my company's equipment, as it would be an easy drop-in for
my old E-01.
They will be finishing up their qual testing at Ft Huachuca this month and
will be submitting the results to the FAA. They hope for a late March retail
launch of the product. The retrofit kit (sans tray and control panel module)
that reuses your old tray and panel module will be $599.
I don't think that AOPA did us any favors by successfully fighting the
adoption of the new equipment in the US, but maybe some of you have a differing
view. I know that I will be getting one ASAP.
Checkout _www.ackavionics.com_ (http://www.ackavionics.com)
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 912hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
**************Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to
stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022)
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| From: | "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | ACK E-04 406MHz ELT |
They are still saying on their website that the retrofit will have a MSRP
of $560 and the full kit will have an MSRP of $599. I've already pulled m
y Ameriking 450 in anticipation of this launch. If anyone isn't interested
in a 406 but still needs a 121.5/243 ELT let me know and I can give you a
good deal on my never flown Ameriking.
Michael
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of Vanremog(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: ACK E-04 406MHz ELT
I have been monitoring ACK's new ELT development, because we use the same H
ALT testing lab for my company's equipment, as it would be an easy drop-in
for my old E-01.
They will be finishing up their qual testing at Ft Huachuca this month and
will be submitting the results to the FAA. They hope for a late March reta
il launch of the product. The retrofit kit (sans tray and control panel mo
dule) that reuses your old tray and panel module will be $599.
I don't think that AOPA did us any favors by successfully fighting the adop
tion of the new equipment in the US, but maybe some of you have a differing
view. I know that I will be getting one ASAP.
Checkout www.ackavionics.com<http://www.ackavionics.com>
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 912hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
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| From: | "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ACK E-04 406MHz ELT |
The problem is that unless the new 406 MHz ELT is more reliable in a
crash then it is
still dead weight. Advantages in real and inadvertent activations is
not disputed.
At this price, it may become more prevalent in new installations.
I do have a 406 MHz PLB (GPS equipped)
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Vanremog(at)aol.com
I don't think that AOPA did us any favors by successfully fighting the
adoption of the new equipment in the US, but maybe some of you have a
differing view. I know that I will be getting one ASAP.
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| From: | David Schaefer <n142ds(at)gmail.com> |
Maybe a little off topic ... but are any of the group using Twitter to
communicate about what you're doing, when you're flying etc. Drop me a note
off line.
David W. Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Nerdgasm"
TMX-IO360 Dual-LightSpeed Plasma IIIs, Hartzell Blended Airfoil, GRT EFIS
www.n142ds.com
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| From: | "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: RV7-List: DG for sale |
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: DG for sale
Email me for the DG for sale @ g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael
To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:39 PM
Subject: RV7-List: DG for sale
I have a overhauled Sigma-Tek DG for sale. Model # 4000B-30 with NO
heading bug, S/N T66115M for sale. Unit has never been installed since
OH by Mid Continent Instruments VNY. I don't have the FAA 8130-3 for
some reason. I was going to install in my RV7 but I went Blue Mountain
EFIS instead. I will ship anywhere in the US. $500 firm..no haggling
folks. email me if interested.
Mike
RV7
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV7-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | GRT AHRS Pitch & Roll Calibration... |
How do I adjust the pitch and roll calibration of the AHRS on the Grand Rapids
EFIS HX AHRS? I go into the AHRS Maintenance page and find the Pitch and Roll
numbers for AHRS 1 and for AHRS 2, but when I select "Change", but none of the
numbers are adjustable. I mounted my dual AHRS as level as I possibly could,
but there's no way a mere mortal such as myself could possible get it perfect.
Surely you are allowed to dial in the pitch and roll attitudes........?
Thanks for the help!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 / N998RV (res)
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| From: | "John Jessen" <n212pj(at)gmail.com> |
What email programs and OS are you using?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard E. Tasker
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: hi
-->
Actually all the email programs that I am aware of have the ability to do
this - you don't have to use (Ugh...) Outlook. I subscribe to several
aviation lists and I have my email system set to move email from each list
to the appropriate folder.
Dick Tasker
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| From: | "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker(at)optonline.net> |
I am using Mozilla Seamonkey (the suite version of Mozilla Thunderbird &
Firefox) and Windows XP.
I wouldn't use Windows OS except some of the programs I use are only
available for Windows :-( although I have to say it is very stable,
unlike the previous Windows OSes.
Dick Tasker
John Jessen wrote:
>
> What email programs and OS are you using?
>
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
Same here. I'm forced to use Outlook/IE at work; I hate it.
Seamonkey has excellent spam filtering built in, and the browser half,
like Firefox has superb popup blocking & virus protection.
Charlie
Richard E. Tasker wrote:
>
>
> I am using Mozilla Seamonkey (the suite version of Mozilla Thunderbird
> & Firefox) and Windows XP.
>
> I wouldn't use Windows OS except some of the programs I use are only
> available for Windows :-( although I have to say it is very stable,
> unlike the previous Windows OSes.
>
> Dick Tasker
>
> John Jessen wrote:
>>
>> What email programs and OS are you using?
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>
>>
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| From: | John Campbell <johnpcampbell(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RE: RV-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/07/09 |
remove me from the list
> Date: Sat=2C 7 Feb 2009 23:58:27 -0800
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> Subject: RV-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/07/09
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> 1. 08:43 PM - GRT AHRS Pitch & Roll Calibration... (Matt Dralle)
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> From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: GRT AHRS Pitch & Roll Calibration...
>
>
>
> How do I adjust the pitch and roll calibration of the AHRS on the Grand R
apids
> EFIS HX AHRS? I go into the AHRS Maintenance page and find the Pitch and
Roll
> numbers for AHRS 1 and for AHRS 2=2C but when I select "Change"=2C but no
ne of the
> numbers are adjustable. I mounted my dual AHRS as level as I possibly co
uld=2C
> but there's no way a mere mortal such as myself could possible get it per
fect.
> Surely you are allowed to dial in the pitch and roll attitudes........?
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 / N998RV (res)
>
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| From: | Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)newwavecomm.net> |
I used Seamonkey for quit awhile, but switched to Firefox and
Thunderbird once I found out that Firefox has an extension (Get Mail
Plus 3.2) that will put an icon next to the home icon which will launch
Thunderbird from with in Firefox. Now it works just like Seamonkey only
better.
Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site: http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/2008AugDecFlying.htm
Charlie England wrote:
>
> Same here. I'm forced to use Outlook/IE at work; I hate it.
>
> Seamonkey has excellent spam filtering built in, and the browser half,
> like Firefox has superb popup blocking & virus protection.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> Richard E. Tasker wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am using Mozilla Seamonkey (the suite version of Mozilla
>> Thunderbird & Firefox) and Windows XP.
>>
>> I wouldn't use Windows OS except some of the programs I use are only
>> available for Windows :-( although I have to say it is very stable,
>> unlike the previous Windows OSes.
>>
>> Dick Tasker
>>
>> John Jessen wrote:
>>>
>>> What email programs and OS are you using?
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>
>
>
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Stuck Fuel sender |
Folks,
I had a stuck fuel sender yesterday - stuck in the up (full) position. It
was OK in flight - it must have bounced up there when I touched down.
Checked the wiring first to make sure the trons weren't escaping improperly
then I drained the fuel out of the tank, removed the sender, cleaned it
off - didn't find anything indicating why it stuck. There's nothing up
there for it to hang up on. New cork gasket and some fuel-lube and it is
back together. Put the fuel back in and it indicates properly....
Anyone else seen anything like this?
Ralph
RV6A N822AR @ N06 3.7 hrs
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| From: | HCRV6(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/07/09 |
You have to remove yourself from the list, no one can do it for you.=C2-
Go to rv-list(at)matronics.com and select unsubcribe.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 550 hours
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> 1. 08:43 PM - GRT AHRS Pitch & Roll Calibration... (Matt Dralle)
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> From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: RV-List: GRT AHRS Pitch & Roll Calibration...
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> How do I adjust the pitch and roll calibration of the AHRS on the Grand R
apids
> EFIS HX AHRS? I go into the AHRS Maintenance page and find the Pitch and
Roll
> numbers for AHRS 1 and for AHRS 2, but when I select "Change", but none o
f the
> numbers are adjustable. I mounted my dual AHRS as level as I possibly cou
ld,
> but there's no way a mere mortal such as myself could possible get it per
fect.
> Surely you are allowed to dial in the pitch and roll attitudes........?
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> Thanks for the help!
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> Matt Dralle
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| From: | Paul Rice <rice737(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | 100 LL shelf life |
To anyone who knows=2C
I have the opportunity to buy some 100LL at bulk pricing and was wondering
if anybody knows how long it will remain usable. It will be stored in an a
bove ground tank.
Thanks=2C
Paul
RV8 Flying Siren
135 hours and counting
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| From: | "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 100 LL shelf life |
The octane is a measurement of the resistance to detonating (engine
knocking). High-performance engines typically have higher compression
and are therefore more prone to detonation, so they require higher
octane fuel. A lower-performance engine will not generally perform
better with high-octane fuel, since the compression ratio is fixed by
the engine design.
Over time fuel looses it octane rating (resistance to detonation). It is
generally not good to keep fuel for more than 3 to 6 months but it
depends what you expect out of the fuel when you actually burn it.
Whether you store it above or below is really insignificant. Some folks
try to put octane booster in to over come this but this is tricky
because folks don't really have the means to control over how much you
change the rating, just my 2 cents.
Mike
RV7 S/N 71306
550 Hours
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From: Paul Rice
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:40 PM
Subject: RV-List: 100 LL shelf life
To anyone who knows,
I have the opportunity to buy some 100LL at bulk pricing and was
wondering if anybody knows how long it will remain usable. It will be
stored in an above ground tank.
Thanks,
Paul
RV8 Flying Siren
135 hours and counting
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| From: | "H. Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com> |
| Subject: | Exhaust System For Sale |
Posting for a friend:
New, unused Vetterman crossover exhaust system with mounting hardware
and heat muff. Fits rv-6/6a, 7/7a, 8/8a, 9/9a with O-320 or O-360
parallel valve engines.
$825 and free shipping within U.S. (I believe Van's sells this for $940)
Contact: Edmundo Santiago 210- 287-1417
Thanks,
Ivan Haecker -4 1537 hrs. S. Cen. TX
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| Subject: | Re: 100 LL shelf life |
| From: | bjudge(at)gmail.com |
I know an ag pilot that buys 10,000 gal right before Jan 1 every year to
beat the tax man. He stores it above ground and then uses through the year.
According to this doc the shelf life is 1 year:
http://amd.nbc.gov/akro/library/opm/AM%20OPM%2006-AR-20.pdf
If you've got a place to store it go for it. Although with the dismal
economy oil will probably stay put for a while.
Bill
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| Subject: | 100 LL Shelf Life |
| From: | "Bruce Anthony" <bruce.anthony(at)holidaycompanies.com> |
You don't say how much you intend to buy, but based on 25 years working
in the petroleum industry, I recommend the following:
An important thing to consider is the loss over time of more volatile
fuel components such as butane and pentane. In older fuel, loss of
these components to any extent will adversely change the ignition
properties of the fuel. Poor starts is one big symptom of old fuel
(especially in colder climates). If you intend to keep the fuel for
awhile first make sure it's fresh when you buy it and store it in an
above ground tank with a floating roof. Store in a cool area out of the
direct sun, if possible. The floating roof on the AST reduces
volatilization of the light components. Also, if you're buying a large
quantity from someone who uses a lot of 100LL anyway, ask them if you
can buy a "position" in their tank. That way you'll be able to take
your contracted amount out of a tank that is being turned over on a
regular basis.
In any event, I wouldn't recommend using fuel stored in any container
that is open to the atmosphere for longer than a month or so (my
opinion, no hard facts). You could also check with a local FBO or your
supplier to see what they recommend.
Bruce Anthony
RV-9A building
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| From: | RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | 100 LL shelf life |
Searching the web=2C it appears that it is good for one (1) year.
Here are links to visit. If they do not work=2C Google "100 LL Shelf Life"
.
http://www.generalaviationnews.com/?p=628#more-628
>From the above:
"If you handle your own fuel=2C follow recommended handling and
inventory controls. 100LL avgas can usually be stored for about a year
with little or no concern. Auto gas should not be stored for more than
six months. If you have a large tank=2C it should have a floating suction
so that the fuel pumped out is clean and you do not disturb the
sediment on the bottom of the tank. It is also important that a tank is
allowed to settle after a delivery and prior to fueling.
Ben Visser is an aviation fuels and lubricants expert who spent 33
years with Shell Oil. Contact him at Visser(at)GeneralAviationNews.com"
http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:4wf_Ecg20soJ:amd.nbc.gov/akro/librar
y/opm/AM%2520OPM%252006-AR-20.pdf+100LL+shelf+life&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2
&gl=us
>From the above:
"Ensure that stored drums do not exceed established shelf life (Two years f
or Jet A & one year for 100 LL). Shelf life extensions can be obtained thr
ough fuel sample submittal and laboratory analysis.
Hope this helps.
Ensure stored drums do not exceed established shelf life (Two years for JE
T A & one
year for 100 LL). Shelf life extensions can be obtained through fuel sampl
e submittal aEnsure stored drums do not exceed established shelf life (Two
years for JET A & one
year for 100 LL). Shelf life extensions can be obtained through fuel sampl
e submittal and
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C
2=2C199+ Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA
From: rice737(at)msn.com
Subject: RV-List: 100 LL shelf life
Date: Tue=2C 10 Feb 2009 19:40:28 -0500
To anyone who knows=2C
I have the opportunity to buy some 100LL at bulk pricing and was wondering
if anybody knows how long it will remain usable. It will be stored in an a
bove ground tank.
Thanks=2C
Paul
RV8 Flying Siren
135 hours and counting
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 100 LL Shelf Life |
Most of your recommendations sound straight from the bible about mogas.
100LL has an RVP maximum of 7.0. Evaporation of components is extremely
slow. It is blended with inherently stable components such as alkylates.
A few folks made out very well draining fuel from stored WWII planes
when they were scrapped, with fuel that had sat in the planes for more
than a year, probably several years. Unless you are using the fuel in a
turbocharged engine, the slight loss of octane is unlikely to have any
impact. Likewise, with its low RVP avgas age has virtually nothing to do
with starting properties of aircraft engines. Many planes in cold
climates sit all winter, and have no problems with the gas in the
spring. Evaporation isn't an issue for planes that sit all summer in the
Arizona heat.
Kelly
A&P/IA
Bruce Anthony wrote:
>
> You don't say how much you intend to buy, but based on 25 years
> working in the petroleum industry, I recommend the following:
>
> An important thing to consider is the loss over time of more volatile
> fuel components such as butane and pentane. In older fuel, loss of
> these components to any extent will adversely change the ignition
> properties of the fuel. Poor starts is one big symptom of old fuel
> (especially in colder climates). If you intend to keep the fuel for
> awhile first make sure it's fresh when you buy it and store it in an
> above ground tank with a floating roof. Store in a cool area out of
> the direct sun, if possible. The floating roof on the AST reduces
> volatilization of the light components. Also, if you're buying a
> large quantity from someone who uses a lot of 100LL anyway, ask them
> if you can buy a "position" in their tank. That way you'll be able to
> take your contracted amount out of a tank that is being turned over on
> a regular basis.
>
> In any event, I wouldn't recommend using fuel stored in any container
> that is open to the atmosphere for longer than a month or so (my
> opinion, no hard facts). You could also check with a local FBO or
> your supplier to see what they recommend.
>
>
> Bruce Anthony
> RV-9A building
>
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| From: | MIKE JEFFERSON <grumman1(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Off Topic ... For Charlie Cuss |
Jerry
My name is Michael Jefferson I am a grumman driver as well as a Toyota Tech
=2C
Yes you can get you timing belt from a toyota dealership=2C no you probely
wont save any
money=2C and no I do not think that Goodyear belts are as good as a toyota
product=2C
if this is your first timing belt 90k miles and 8 years later=2C why not sp
end an extra
couple of bucks and get another one that you can depend on for another 90k
miles
and 8 more years=2C No I do not work for Toyota anymore=2C Now I work for a
GMC PONTIAC
& BUICK dealership as a GM WORLDCLASS TECH=2C > From: jerry(at)mc.net> To: rv-
list(at)matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Off Topic ... For Charlie Cuss> Date:
Grimmonpre" > > Charlie ...> If you are 'listening' I have a
car question. Do you=2C or anyone else=2C know > if the timing belt for 20
01 RX 300 Lexus=2C can be purchased from a regular > Toyota dealer? Could t
here possibly be a cost savings through Toyota? > Also=2C are the Goodyear
belts just as good? The Lexus part number would be a > plus to copy from an
yone going there lately.> Apologies to the List for the off topic.> Thanks
======================> > >
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| From: | "Bill Settle" <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Off Topic ... For Charlie Cuss |
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic ... For Charlie Cuss |
| From: | "N38CW" <billsettle(at)bellsouth.net> |
Let me try this again...
Jerry,
You might try these people... http://www.lexuspartsmall.com/
I've only bought from them one time, but they were only 60% of what my local
Lexus Dealer was.
Bill Settle
Winston-Salem, NC
RV-8
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Bill Settle
RV-8 Wings (Still)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229938#229938
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| From: | Thomas Grant <thomgrant(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Fixed pitch to Constant Speed Conversion |
I am converting my O-360-A1A from fixed to constant speed and need a
prop governor drive adaptor and the hose that would connect the
governor to the front gallery. If anyone has these items laying about
and would be willing to part with them shoot me an email with details.
Thanks
Thomas
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| From: | john schmidt <jeschmidt(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Hoyt's 601 project photos |
Vair Friends:
I'm fortunate to count Patrick Hoyt as a friend. I'm also lucky enough to
visit with him tomorrow night (Patrick: looking forward to it!)
He's too nice to brag about his project=2C so I will.
Some nice photos of Patrick Hoyt's 601 Corvair project in this month's
EAA chapter 25 newsletter:
http://home.comcast.net/~petegavin/eaa25/eaa25902.pdf
John Schmidt
St. Paul=2C Minnesota
Wagabond Corvair project.
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| From: | ronald vandervort <ronvan(at)q.com> |
Am inviting another airplane or two to tag along with us on a flight to
Roatan Honduras. My aircraft is an RV-6, 180 HP with constant
speed.....cruise about 178 mph. Hope to go during the first week of
March. Want to be back by the 11th. My passenger is a registered
nurse. The last week of March is a consideration also. Ron
Vandervort, 14,000 total time, aircraft has 1300 hrs which I built in
98. Phone: 360-620-3366 or ronvanv(at)q.com. Would leave from Mc Allen
TX
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| From: | mr.gsun(at)gmail.com |
Ron, Sounds Like A Fantastic Trip. That's the place with great
scubadiving, right? Greg
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:15 AM, ronald vandervort wrote:
>
> Am inviting another airplane or two to tag along with us on a flight to
> Roatan Honduras. My aircraft is an RV-6, 180 HP with constant
> speed.....cruise about 178 mph. Hope to go during the first week of March.
> Want to be back by the 11th. My passenger is a registered nurse. The last
> week of March is a consideration also. Ron Vandervort, 14,000 total time,
> aircraft has 1300 hrs which I built in 98. Phone: 360-620-3366 or
> ronvanv(at)q.com. Would leave from Mc Allen TX
>
>
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| From: | J Riffel <riffeljl(at)gmail.com> |
I just fixed a weird problem and thought I'd share it in case anyone else
has been going nuts with something similar.
I had a radio shop (Nolan Avionics in Durant,Ok ' which I can no longer
recommend) build my wiring harness. My com2 (Icom A200) worked fine ' but
com1 (GNS430) didn't. After a lot of work I finally figured out that some
wires had been forgotten on the harness. So I contorted my 60 yr old creeky
body upside down, over the spar and into the foot well, taped my trifocals
on upside down so I could see, practiced my Navy cursing and got them
installed.
Now the weird part. When I keyed the mic on com1, my EIS amp gauge showed
negative amps. The sensor is between the alternator and the battery ' so
technically that "can't happen". Also the altitude servo would chatter and
go into a climb when I transmitted on com1. Com2 was fine. I thought about
a
short ' but the fuses were fine, and I thought a short would cause a high
amp reading instead of a negative one. I thought about the
alternator/voltage regulator ' but ruled that out after calling Plane Pow
er.
I ruled out the amps sensor and the EIS because the readings were fine '
except when I keyed the mic on com1. I was going nuts (and that's a short
trip for me)!
Last week I finally called Grand Rapids to see if they had any ideas why
their sensor would go negative ' they'd been very helpful in the past.
"Sandy" was equally perplexed and handed me off to "Greg", the owner. He
listened politely and we discussed things. Finally he said he thought it wa
s
radio interference. He was familiar with TruTrak autopilots and thought my
altitude servo problem was radio interference too. He suggested some noise
filters from Radio Shack. I bought 3 different types but liked the 273-069
(about $3 for a package of 2) the best. I put a couple of them on both
antenna leads at the antenna end. Worked like a charm.
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| From: | "Charles Heathco" <cheathco(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/14/09 |
Glad you fixed prolem. (getting under when your 70 is even harder) Charlie H
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1. 11:41 AM - Re: Roatan (mr.gsun(at)gmail.com)
2. 12:05 PM - Weird Problem (J Riffel)
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Subject: Re: RV-List: Roatan
From: mr.gsun(at)gmail.com
Ron, Sounds Like A Fantastic Trip. That's the place with great
scubadiving, right? Greg
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:15 AM, ronald vandervort wrote:
>
> Am inviting another airplane or two to tag along with us on a flight to
> Roatan Honduras. My aircraft is an RV-6, 180 HP with constant
> speed.....cruise about 178 mph. Hope to go during the first week of
> March.
> Want to be back by the 11th. My passenger is a registered nurse. The
> last
> week of March is a consideration also. Ron Vandervort, 14,000 total time,
> aircraft has 1300 hrs which I built in 98. Phone: 360-620-3366 or
> ronvanv(at)q.com. Would leave from Mc Allen TX
>
>
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Subject: RV-List: Weird Problem
From: J Riffel <riffeljl(at)gmail.com>
I just fixed a weird problem and thought I'd share it in case anyone else
has been going nuts with something similar.
I had a radio shop (Nolan Avionics in Durant,Ok ' which I can no longer
recommend) build my wiring harness. My com2 (Icom A200) worked fine ' but
com1 (GNS430) didn't. After a lot of work I finally figured out that some
wires had been forgotten on the harness. So I contorted my 60 yr old creeky
body upside down, over the spar and into the foot well, taped my trifocals
on upside down so I could see, practiced my Navy cursing and got them
installed.
Now the weird part. When I keyed the mic on com1, my EIS amp gauge showed
negative amps. The sensor is between the alternator and the battery ' so
technically that "can't happen". Also the altitude servo would chatter and
go into a climb when I transmitted on com1. Com2 was fine. I thought about
a
short ' but the fuses were fine, and I thought a short would cause a high
amp reading instead of a negative one. I thought about the
alternator/voltage regulator ' but ruled that out after calling Plane Pow
er.
I ruled out the amps sensor and the EIS because the readings were fine '
except when I keyed the mic on com1. I was going nuts (and that's a short
trip for me)!
Last week I finally called Grand Rapids to see if they had any ideas why
their sensor would go negative ' they'd been very helpful in the past.
"Sandy" was equally perplexed and handed me off to "Greg", the owner. He
listened politely and we discussed things. Finally he said he thought it wa
s
radio interference. He was familiar with TruTrak autopilots and thought my
altitude servo problem was radio interference too. He suggested some noise
filters from Radio Shack. I bought 3 different types but liked the 273-069
(about $3 for a package of 2) the best. I put a couple of them on both
antenna leads at the antenna end. Worked like a charm.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Heathco" <cheathco(at)cox.net> |
Since installing new sigronics sterio Icom, sometines, not everytime I
hit the noise reducer button on my Lightspeed headphones, I get a loud
srill pop. happens maybe 1 out of 5 or 6 times. I have not talked to Sig
about it, as so intermitten. Anyone have simular experience? Charlie H
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| From: | Bert Murillo <bertrv6(at)gmail.com> |
Hello:
I have posted a couple messages, but it seems do not go thru.
Is the address to Matronics, different now?
Thanks
bert
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| From: | "rv4ross" <rv4ross(at)charter.net> |
Bert,
Seems to be working.
Ross Scroggs
Locust Grove, GA.
RV4 #3911 Fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bert Murillo" <bertrv6(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: RV-List: posting
>
> Hello:
>
> I have posted a couple messages, but it seems do not go thru.
>
> Is the address to Matronics, different now?
>
> Thanks
>
> bert
>
>
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18:09:00
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| Subject: | Completed Sensenich Spinner $125 |
| From: | Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com> |
Greetings:
I'm upgrading to a constant speed prop from a fixed pitch Sensenich.
If anyone is interested in avoiding the finish work on their spinner
please contact me off the list. It is primed with PPG ditzler and
Includes front and back plates. Retail is $160 from vans, $125 for
this one.
bjudge(at)gmail.com
Thanks,
Bill
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| Subject: | "Hangar Time-Swapping (DFW/DEN)"? |
| From: | J Riffel <riffeljl(at)gmail.com> |
My son in Denver is about to make me a grandfather. So it looks like we'll
me making a number of trips in the new RV-7A from the DFW area to the DEN
area. Unfortunately when we've flown my old M20C to Denver in past
years, we've found that a tiedown/hangar at both APA and FTG are pretty
pricy.
I have a nice hangar at 16X (between Ft.Worth and Denton) that has enough
space to handle another RV for short periods. So I'm wondering if there is
someone in the Denver area that comes to the DFW area occassionally that
might be willing to "swap time". If so, drop me a note.
"Jerry"
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| From: | Oldsfolks(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Remove From RV List and RV-4 List |
Please remove me from both the RV List and RV-4 Lists.
I don't remember my password for them.
I am no longer flying or building , lost medical.
Bob Olds
Charleston,Arkansas
_oldsfolks(at)aol.com_ (mailto:oldsfolks(at)aol.com)
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an entry in to
my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow sensor. Is there
a required / suggested format?
My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in service" column,
"description of work performed" column, and "agency&certificate no. work performed/returned
to service" column.
I was thinking of something along the lines of:
07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with AF-3400 user
guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
Thanks,
Ralph
RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
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| From: | "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do not
have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you out. All
you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance time,
description of work performed, signature and certificate type. If it is a
condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
Here is the FAR:
(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c)
of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive maintenance,
rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller,
appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance record
of that equipment containing the following information:
(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator) of
work performed.
(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person
specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily,
the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the
person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return
to service only for the work performed.
How you format this info is up to you.
Mike
RV7 550Hrs
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From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an entry
> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow
> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
>
> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in service"
> column, "description of work performed" column, and "agency&certificate
> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
>
> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
>
> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
>
> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Lee" <ronlee(at)pcisys.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
Frequent posts on this subject elsewhere suggest that the only thing
that you can't do is the condition inspection as the non-builder owner
of an experimental.
Ron Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and being the builder
allowed me to do the maintenance.
Time for more research....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
>Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
>Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do not
>have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
>preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you out. All
>you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance time,
>description of work performed, signature and certificate type. If it is a
>condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
>
>Here is the FAR:
>(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c)
>of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive maintenance,
>rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller,
>appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance record
>of that equipment containing the following information:
>
>(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator) of
>work performed.
>
>(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
>
>(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person
>specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
>
>(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
>propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily,
>the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the
>person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return
>to service only for the work performed.
>
>
>How you format this info is up to you.
>
>
>Mike
>
>RV7 550Hrs
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>To: "rv-list"
>Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
>Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
>>
>> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an entry
>> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow
>> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
>>
>> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in service"
>> column, "description of work performed" column, and "agency&certificate
>> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
>>
>> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
>>
>> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
>> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
>>
>> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph
>> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
Thanks - now onward to the archives - where I should have ventured first!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Lee <ronlee(at)pcisys.net>
>Sent: Feb 17, 2009 11:20 AM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
>Frequent posts on this subject elsewhere suggest that the only thing
>that you can't do is the condition inspection as the non-builder owner
>of an experimental.
>
>Ron Lee
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Galati <rick6a(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Sample maintenance log entry |
Ralph
-
First off...congratulations!- You were at it for a long time.- You prob
ably don't-remember that some years ago I-sent you a small piece of .04
0 aluminum stock in a regular envelope when you were working on your empenn
age and you balked at the idea of having to buy a sheet of aluminum when yo
u just needed-a small piece.--Nice to know that a little piece of-.
040 now enjoys flying status.
-
Anyway, log book entries can be a detailed or minimalist-as you please. F
eel free to sometimes ignore the arbitrary format the logbook manufacturer
decided upon. At times, it can be too limiting.- Personally, I find it co
nvenient to use the computer word program to put together most-logbook en
tries, adjusting the size and font of the text as appropriate.- I then pr
int the information and cut-and paste it-into the logbook.- Doing it
that way allows me to edit text, add borders, colors etc.-until I am sati
sfied.- Over the years, I have seen plenty of logbook entries-that were
sloppy,-illegible and/or difficult to decipher. My penmanship is not the
greatest and-unlike writing the information into the logbook with an ink
pen, a printout just makes my logbooks appear-neater. Sometimes, I even
include a small photograph when detailing a repair such as a time when a ri
vet popped loose on the lower cowl hinge and I installed the next larger si
ze
rivet to replace it with. -Another time, I included a small photo of the
worn out main tires when I replaced them....you get the idea.- Each logb
ook entry should include the date, time in service and end with your handwr
itten signature and repairman's certificate number. However you decide to m
ake entries, its a good idea to also note the alternator belt P/N and paint
type and colors-just in-case you have need to recall those exact color
s years from now.--
-
Good luck and enjoy your RV.
-
Best,
-
Rick Galati
-
RV-6A N307R "Darla!"-
RV-8-- N308R
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the maintenanc
e=2C or major alteration=2C and sign off the logbook in accordance with the
logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition=2C if it is a major a
lteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's operating
limitations. The repairman certificate only is needed to conduct the yearl
y condition inpsection and sign it off. Again=2C this is stated the the ai
rcraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific questions drop me
a line.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
> Date: Tue=2C 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and being
the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>
> Time for more research....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
> >Sent: Feb 17=2C 2009 10:34 AM
> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
> >Well=2C this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do n
ot
> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you out. A
ll
> >you need in a logbook entry is date=2C aircraft/engine/appliance time=2C
> >description of work performed=2C signature and certificate type. If it i
s a
> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
> >
> >Here is the FAR:
> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and
(c)
> >of this section=2C each person who maintains=2C performs preventive main
tenance=2C
> >rebuilds=2C or alters an aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine=2C prop
eller=2C
> >appliance=2C or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance re
cord
> >of that equipment containing the following information:
> >
> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator)
of
> >work performed.
> >
> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
> >
> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person
> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
> >
> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine
=2C
> >propeller=2C appliance=2C or component part has been performed satisfact
orily=2C
> >the signature=2C certificate number=2C and kind of certificate held by t
he
> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for re
turn
> >to service only for the work performed.
> >
> >
> >
> >How you format this info is up to you.
> >
> >
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >RV7 550Hrs
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
> >To: "rv-list"
> >Sent: Tuesday=2C February 17=2C 2009 6:39 AM
> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
>
> >>
> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly)=2C I would like to put an e
ntry
> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow
> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
> >>
> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column=2C "aircraft time in serv
ice"
> >> column=2C "description of work performed" column=2C and "agency&certif
icate
> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
> >>
> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
> >>
> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
> >>
> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
> >>
> >> Thanks=2C
> >> Ralph
> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Sample maintenance log entry |
Thanks Rick!
That chunk of .040 holds my relocated elevator trim servo and has 4.7 flying hours
on it.
Good gouge on the documentation too...
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Galati <rick6a(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Feb 17, 2009 11:36 AM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: RE: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>Ralph
>
>First off...congratulations! You were at it for a long time. You probably don'tremember
that some years ago Isent you a small piece of .040 aluminum stock in
a regular envelope when you were working on your empennage and you balked at
the idea of having to buy a sheet of aluminum when you just neededa small piece.Nice
to know that a little piece of.040 now enjoys flying status.
>
>Anyway, log book entries can be a detailed or minimalistas you please. Feel free
to sometimes ignore the arbitrary format the logbook manufacturer decided upon.
At times, it can be too limiting. Personally, I find it convenient to use
the computer word program to put together mostlogbook entries, adjusting the
size and font of the text as appropriate. I then print the information and cutand
paste itinto the logbook. Doing it that way allows me to edit text, add borders,
colors etc.until I am satisfied. Over the years, I have seen plenty of
logbook entriesthat were sloppy,illegible and/or difficult to decipher. My penmanship
is not the greatest andunlike writing the information into the logbook
with an ink pen, a printout just makes my logbooks appearneater. Sometimes, I
even include a small photograph when detailing a repair such as a time when a
rivet popped loose on the lower cowl hinge and I installed the next larger size
> rivet to replace it with. Another time, I included a small photo of the worn
out main tires when I replaced them....you get the idea. Each logbook entry should
include the date, time in service and end with your handwritten signature
and repairman's certificate number. However you decide to make entries, its a
good idea to also note the alternator belt P/N and paint type and colorsjust
incase you have need to recall those exact colors years from now.
>
>Good luck and enjoy your RV.
>
>Best,
>
>Rick Galati
>
>RV-6A N307R "Darla!"
>RV-8 N308R
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
Thanks Mike,
I have downloaded a bunch of the FAR's for documentation in my computer.
So....until I get the repairman's cert (and afterwards - except for annuals) I
can sign it off as 'builder'.
Ralph
4.7 hrs - working off a couple of minor bugs.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 17, 2009 11:43 AM
>To: rv list
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
>You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the maintenance,
or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in accordance with the logbook entry
requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition, if it is a major alteration you must
follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's operating limitations. The
repairman certificate only is needed to conduct the yearly condition inpsection
and sign it off. Again, this is stated the the aircraft's operating limitations.
If you have any specific questions drop me a line.
>
>
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>Das Fed
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
>> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>>
>>
>> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and being the
builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>>
>> Time for more research....
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
>> >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
>> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do not
>> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
>> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you out. All
>> >you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance time,
>> >description of work performed, signature and certificate type. If it is a
>> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
>> >
>> >Here is the FAR:
>> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c)
>> >of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive maintenance,
>> >rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller,
>> >appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance record
>> >of that equipment containing the following information:
>> >
>> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator) of
>> >work performed.
>> >
>> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
>> >
>> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person
>> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
>> >
>> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
>> >propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily,
>> >the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the
>> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return
>> >to service only for the work performed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >How you format this info is up to you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >RV7 550Hrs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>> >To: "rv-list"
>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
>> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an entry
>> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow
>> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
>> >>
>> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in service"
>> >> column, "description of work performed" column, and "agency&certificate
>> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
>> >>
>> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
>> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
>> >>
>> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Ralph
>> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
Can actually write in his log book any thing he wishes. Only thing he
can't do is sign off his condition inspecton.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:34 AM, "Michael" wrote:
>
> Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do
> not have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable
> (beyond preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to
> help you out. All you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/
> engine/appliance time, description of work performed, signature and
> certificate type. If it is a condition inspection then the statement
> in part 43 applies.
>
> Here is the FAR:
> (a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b)
> and (c) of this section, each person who maintains, performs
> preventive maintenance, rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe,
> aircraft engine, propeller, appliance, or component part shall make
> an entry in the maintenance record of that equipment containing the
> following information:
>
> (1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the
> Administrator) of work performed.
>
> (2) The date of completion of the work performed.
>
> (3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the
> person specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
>
> (4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft
> engine, propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
> satisfactorily, the signature, certificate number, and kind of
> certificate held by the person approving the work. The signature
> constitutes the approval for return to service only for the work
> performed.
>
>
> How you format this info is up to you.
>
>
> Mike
>
> RV7 550Hrs
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net
> >
> To: "rv-list"
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
>> >
>>
>> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an
>> entry in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my
>> fuel flow sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
>>
>> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in
>> service" column, "description of work performed" column, and
>> "agency&certificate no. work performed/returned to service" column.
>>
>> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
>>
>> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
>> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
>>
>> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph
>> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Composite Class for RV-10s May 9-10 2009 |
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| From: | "John Fasching" <n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com> |
| Subject: | Post stating control vission is out of business |
this is incorrect, Control Vision, seller of Anywhere Map systems is in
business. I think the poster was referring to the maker of the NavAid
wing leveler who rumor has it may have closed their doors
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| From: | John Morgensen <john(at)morgensen.com> |
Bert Murillo wrote:
>
> Thi is probably stupid question, can some one tell me the names of
> products that are now available, experimental of course,
> for Wing Leveler?
>
> Since Control vission is out of business, what is left?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bert
> rv6a
>
Hey Bert,
TruTrak and Trio are the most popular autopilots for experimentals. I
chose the Trio because of the servo. You can check them out here:
http://www.steinair.com/autopilots.htm
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RV9A - Wiring
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| From: | "PaulR" <prose(at)panhandle.rr.com> |
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--------
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N417PR (res)
RV-9A
Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Post stating control vission is out of business |
John Fasching wrote:
> this is incorrect, Control Vision, seller of Anywhere Map systems is
> in business. I think the poster was referring to the maker of the
> NavAid wing leveler who rumor has it may have closed their doors
No rumor to it, Navaid went out of business April, 2008. AS far as I
know, no one is servicing the Navaid system.
Sam Buchanan
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| From: | Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)newwavecomm.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Remove From RV List and RV-4 List |
You have to do it yourself:
Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site:
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Oldsfolks(at)aol.com wrote:
> Please remove me from both the RV List and RV-4 Lists.
> I don't remember my password for them.
>
> I am no longer flying or building , lost medical.
>
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> Charleston,Arkansas
> oldsfolks(at)aol.com
>
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| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Remove From RV List and RV-4 List |
Scott wrote:
> He might have a hard time if he doesn't remember his password...he might
> just be better off to set up a message filter in his email program to
> intercept messages from these lists and automatically send them to the
> trash folder without ever seeing them.
There is no password, just go to this link and select the list(s) you
want unsubscribed using your email address:
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| From: | "Emrath" <emrath(at)comcast.net> |
Folks,
In cleaning up my bench, I find I have two McMaster-Carr "Weldable Concealed
Hinges" part number 110205A35 I had intended to use for my oil door. They
are yours for the freight to send them to you. They each have two rivet
holes already drilled in each side of the hinge.
Marty in Brentwood TN
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| From: | "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
Ok, my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness
certificate not just ANYONE can do the work. They have to be a
certificated
person signing the work, builder with his repairman certificate, A&P or
preventative maintenance which a pilot's certificate will cover.
Experimental only have relief from approved parts and Ads but other than
that your ops specs will tell you to maintain like it was a 91 airplane
with
exception to: "condition being used" instead of annual. There is a
misconception that we can do "whatever we want" to our planes but that
is
not the case. Small items are logbook entries only but anything that
constitutes a major change in FAR 21.93 the owner must recomply with FAR
91.319(b) which puts the aircraft back into phase 1 flight testing. If
anyone has dealings with the feds like I do on a REGULAR bases (part
135/145) you should see a similar testament.
As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR says:
If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller,
appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily, the
signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the
person
approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return to
service only for the work performed.
There you have it.
Mike
RV7
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Thanks Mike,
I have downloaded a bunch of the FAR's for documentation in my computer.
So....until I get the repairman's cert (and afterwards - except for
annuals)
I can sign it off as 'builder'.
Ralph
4.7 hrs - working off a couple of minor bugs.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 17, 2009 11:43 AM
>To: rv list
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
>You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the
maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in accordance
with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition, if it is
a
major alteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's
operating limitations. The repairman certificate only is needed to
conduct
the yearly condition inpsection and sign it off. Again, this is stated
the
the aircraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific
questions
drop me a line.
>
>
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>Das Fed
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
>> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>>
>>
>> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and
being
the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>>
>> Time for more research....
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
>> >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
>> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do
not
>> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
>> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you
out.
All
>> >you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance time,
>> >description of work performed, signature and certificate type. If it
is
a
>> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
>> >
>> >Here is the FAR:
>> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b)
and
(c)
>> >of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive
maintenance,
>> >rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller,
>> >appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance
record
>> >of that equipment containing the following information:
>> >
>> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the
Administrator)
of
>> >work performed.
>> >
>> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
>> >
>> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the
person
>> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
>> >
>> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft
engine,
>> >propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
satisfactorily,
>> >the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by
the
>> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval
for
return
>> >to service only for the work performed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >How you format this info is up to you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >RV7 550Hrs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>> >To: "rv-list"
>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
>> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an
entry
>> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel
flow
>> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
>> >>
>> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in
service"
>> >> column, "description of work performed" column, and
"agency&certificate
>> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
>> >>
>> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance
with
>> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
>> >>
>> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Ralph
>> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>===========
>===========
>===========
>>
>>
>>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on
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| From: | "sbuc" <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Ok, my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness
certificate not just ANYONE can do the work. They have to be a certificated
person signing the work, builder with his repairman certificate, A&P or
preventative maintenance which a pilot's certificate will cover.
Experimental only have relief from approved parts and Ads but other than
that your ops specs will tell you to maintain like it was a 91 airplane with
exception to: "condition being used" instead of annual. There is a
misconception that we can do "whatever we want" to our planes but that is
not the case. Small items are logbook entries only but anything that
constitutes a major change in FAR 21.93 the owner must recomply with FAR
91.319(b) which puts the aircraft back into phase 1 flight testing. If
anyone has dealings with the feds like I do on a REGULAR bases (part
135/145) you should see a similar testament.
As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR says:
If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller,
appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily, the
signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the person
approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return to
service only for the work performed.
There you have it.
Mike
RV7
========================
Nope, take a look at the first paragraph or so of FAR 43; it doesn't apply
to aircraft with experimental airworthiness certificates.
In regards to Experimental aircraft, FAR 43 applies only as stated in the op
lims of the particular aircraft.
Anyone may legally do *any* work on an experimental aircraft (only exception
is pitot-static certs), repairman's certificate or A&P are only needed for
condition inspection.
Sam Buchanan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | linn <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
Michael wrote:
>
> Ok, my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness
> certificate not just ANYONE can do the work.
>
Wrong understanding.
>
> They have to be a certificated person signing the work, builder with
> his repairman certificate, A&P or preventative maintenance which a
> pilot's certificate will cover. Experimental only have relief from
> approved parts and Ads but other than that your ops specs will tell
> you to maintain like it was a 91 airplane with exception to:
> "condition being used" instead of annual. There is a misconception
> that we can do "whatever we want" to our planes but that is not the
> case. Small items are logbook entries only but anything that
> constitutes a major change in FAR 21.93 the owner must recomply with
> FAR 91.319(b) which puts the aircraft back into phase 1 flight
> testing. If anyone has dealings with the feds like I do on a REGULAR
> bases (part 135/145) you should see a similar testament.
>
Part 43 applies to certificated aircraft, which our homebuilts aren't.
As a homebuilder, you can completely ignore part 43 and build your
airplane any way you want. All you have to do is convince the DAR that
the 'contraption' won't kill you or anyone on the ground.
There is something, somewhere, that says after any major alteration
(undefined, in this case) then it must be inspected (DAR again) and the
plane put back into phase 1 testing.
As to the repairmans certificate .... if you have the certificate FOR
THAT ONE PARTICULAR PLANE then you can do the conditional inspection.
Otherwise, any A&P (DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AN AI) can perform that
inspection and sign it off.
>
>
>
> As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR says:
>
>
>
> If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
> propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
> satisfactorily, the signature, */certificate number/*, and kind of
> certificate held by the person approving the work.
>
The CERTIFICATE NUMBER appears on your repairmans certificate.
>
> The signature constitutes the approval for return to service only for
> the work performed.
>
Also true.
>
> There you have it.
>
Correctly now, I think.
Linn
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> RV7
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Fasching" <n1cxo320(at)salidaco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
Michael, Your understanding is not correct. ANYONE, even a three year
old child, can do maintenance on an experimental aircraft. The only
thing requiring a 'certificate' is for the annual condition inspection.
Major changes, as you point out, do require a return to phase 1
operation in accordance with your operating limitations. The older
restrictions would require prior approval but the newer ones just
require the log book entry after satisfactory operation for the
(typical) 5-hours of phase 1 operation.
As to ADs - if there is an AD on a specific part that you have in your
plane, say a propeller or a starter, etc, then the ADs do apply. Oher
than that unless the AD is specifically aimed at you exact aircraft,
ADs do not apply with the exception pointed above.
A pilot's certificate doesn't specifically cover or grant any authority
regarding maintenance on an experimental aircraft. Again, your 3-year
kid can do the work. The possession of a pilot's license is not a
factor.
But on an experimental aircraft you CAN "do anything you want" - only
comply with your operating limitations, and make the required log book
entries, if any.
Message -----
From: Michael
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Ok, my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness
certificate not just ANYONE can do the work. They have to be a
certificated person signing the work, builder with his repairman
certificate, A&P or preventative maintenance which a pilot's certificate
will cover. Experimental only have relief from approved parts and Ads
but other than that your ops specs will tell you to maintain like it was
a 91 airplane with exception to: "condition being used" instead of
annual. There is a misconception that we can do "whatever we want" to
our planes but that is not the case. Small items are logbook entries
only but anything that constitutes a major change in FAR 21.93 the owner
must recomply with FAR 91.319(b) which puts the aircraft back into phase
1 flight testing. If anyone has dealings with the feds like I do on a
REGULAR bases (part 135/145) you should see a similar testament.
As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR says:
If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
satisfactorily, the signature, certificate number, and kind of
certificate held by the person approving the work. The signature
constitutes the approval for return to service only for the work
performed.
There you have it.
Mike
RV7
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:10 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Thanks Mike,
I have downloaded a bunch of the FAR's for documentation in my
computer.
So....until I get the repairman's cert (and afterwards - except for
annuals) I can sign it off as 'builder'.
Ralph
4.7 hrs - working off a couple of minor bugs.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 17, 2009 11:43 AM
>To: rv list
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
>You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the
maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in accordance
with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition, if it is
a major alteration you must follow the procedure stated in the
aircraft's operating limitations. The repairman certificate only is
needed to conduct the yearly condition inpsection and sign it off.
Again, this is stated the the aircraft's operating limitations. If you
have any specific questions drop me a line.
>
>
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>Das Fed
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
>> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>>
>>
>> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and
being the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>>
>> Time for more research....
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
>> >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
>> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you
do not
>> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable
(beyond
>> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you
out. All
>> >you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance
time,
>> >description of work performed, signature and certificate type. If
it is a
>> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
>> >
>> >Here is the FAR:
>> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs
(b) and (c)
>> >of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive
maintenance,
>> >rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller,
>> >appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the
maintenance record
>> >of that equipment containing the following information:
>> >
>> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the
Administrator) of
>> >work performed.
>> >
>> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
>> >
>> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the
person
>> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
>> >
>> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft
engine,
>> >propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
satisfactorily,
>> >the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by
the
>> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval
for return
>> >to service only for the work performed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >How you format this info is up to you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >RV7 550Hrs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>> >To: "rv-list"
>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
>> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put
an entry
>> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel
flow
>> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
>> >>
>> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in
service"
>> >> column, "description of work performed" column, and
"agency&certificate
>> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
>> >>
>> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance
with
>> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
>> >>
>> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Ralph
>> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>===========
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>===========
>>
>>
>>
>
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| From: | Todd & Kristen Neidinger <tsneidin(at)wisc.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Door hinges |
I was just shopping for these - I'll take them if you still have them.
Todd Neidinger
rv-9
Emrath wrote:
>
> Folks,
> In cleaning up my bench, I find I have two McMaster-Carr "Weldable Concealed
> Hinges" part number 110205A35 I had intended to use for my oil door. They
> are yours for the freight to send them to you. They each have two rivet
> holes already drilled in each side of the hinge.
>
> Marty in Brentwood TN
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
Sam,
Well done, my understanding was incorrect, I just read FAR43 and there it
is.......thanks for the clarification.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of sbuc
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Ok, my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness
certificate not just ANYONE can do the work. They have to be a certificated
person signing the work, builder with his repairman certificate, A&P or
preventative maintenance which a pilot's certificate will cover.
Experimental only have relief from approved parts and Ads but other than
that your ops specs will tell you to maintain like it was a 91 airplane with
exception to: "condition being used" instead of annual. There is a
misconception that we can do "whatever we want" to our planes but that is
not the case. Small items are logbook entries only but anything that
constitutes a major change in FAR 21.93 the owner must recomply with FAR
91.319(b) which puts the aircraft back into phase 1 flight testing. If
anyone has dealings with the feds like I do on a REGULAR bases (part
135/145) you should see a similar testament.
As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR says:
If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller,
appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily, the
signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the person
approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return to
service only for the work performed.
There you have it.
Mike
RV7
========================
Nope, take a look at the first paragraph or so of FAR 43; it doesn't apply
to aircraft with experimental airworthiness certificates.
In regards to Experimental aircraft, FAR 43 applies only as stated in the op
lims of the particular aircraft.
Anyone may legally do *any* work on an experimental aircraft (only exception
is pitot-static certs), repairman's certificate or A&P are only needed for
condition inspection.
Sam Buchanan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
Well, guys I just read my Operation limitations and it says "This
aircraft
MUST be maintained in accordance with the requirements of title 14, code
of
federal regulations, Part 43." So much for part 43 not applying to me...
Does any one else have this statement in there op limitations? I new my
understanding came from my local FSDO when the Operation Limitations
were
cut. Any thoughts?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fasching
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Michael, Your understanding is not correct. ANYONE, even a three year
old
child, can do maintenance on an experimental aircraft. The only thing
requiring a 'certificate' is for the annual condition inspection. Major
changes, as you point out, do require a return to phase 1 operation in
accordance with your operating limitations. The older restrictions would
require prior approval but the newer ones just require the log book
entry
after satisfactory operation for the (typical) 5-hours of phase 1
operation.
As to ADs - if there is an AD on a specific part that you have in your
plane, say a propeller or a starter, etc, then the ADs do apply. Oher
than
that unless the AD is specifically aimed at you exact aircraft,
ADs do not apply with the exception pointed above.
A pilot's certificate doesn't specifically cover or grant any authority
regarding maintenance on an experimental aircraft. Again, your 3-year
kid
can do the work. The possession of a pilot's license is not a factor.
But on an experimental aircraft you CAN "do anything you want" - only
comply with your operating limitations, and make the required log book
entries, if any.
Message -----
From: Michael <mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Ok, my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness
certificate not just ANYONE can do the work. They have to be a
certificated
person signing the work, builder with his repairman certificate, A&P or
preventative maintenance which a pilot's certificate will cover.
Experimental only have relief from approved parts and Ads but other than
that your ops specs will tell you to maintain like it was a 91 airplane
with
exception to: "condition being used" instead of annual. There is a
misconception that we can do "whatever we want" to our planes but that
is
not the case. Small items are logbook entries only but anything that
constitutes a major change in FAR 21.93 the owner must recomply with FAR
91.319(b) which puts the aircraft back into phase 1 flight testing. If
anyone has dealings with the feds like I do on a REGULAR bases (part
135/145) you should see a similar testament.
As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR says:
If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller,
appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily, the
signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the
person
approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return to
service only for the work performed.
There you have it.
Mike
RV7
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Thanks Mike,
I have downloaded a bunch of the FAR's for documentation in my computer.
So....until I get the repairman's cert (and afterwards - except for
annuals)
I can sign it off as 'builder'.
Ralph
4.7 hrs - working off a couple of minor bugs.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 17, 2009 11:43 AM
>To: rv list
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
>You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the
maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in accordance
with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition, if it is
a
major alteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's
operating limitations. The repairman certificate only is needed to
conduct
the yearly condition inpsection and sign it off. Again, this is stated
the
the aircraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific
questions
drop me a line.
>
>
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>Das Fed
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
>> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>>
>>
>> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and
being
the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>>
>> Time for more research....
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
>> >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
>> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do
not
>> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
>> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you
out.
All
>> >you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance time,
>> >description of work performed, signature and certificate type. If it
is
a
>> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
>> >
>> >Here is the FAR:
>> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b)
and
(c)
>> >of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive
maintenance,
>> >rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller,
>> >appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance
record
>> >of that equipment containing the following information:
>> >
>> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the
Administrator)
of
>> >work performed.
>> >
>> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
>> >
>> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the
person
>> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
>> >
>> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft
engine,
>> >propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
satisfactorily,
>> >the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by
the
>> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval
for
return
>> >to service only for the work performed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >How you format this info is up to you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >RV7 550Hrs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>> >To: "rv-list"
>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
>> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an
entry
>> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel
flow
>> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
>> >>
>> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in
service"
>> >> column, "description of work performed" column, and
"agency&certificate
>> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
>> >>
>> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance
with
>> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
>> >>
>> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Ralph
>> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| From: | linn <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
Well, maybe we can get Mike Robertson back on this thread. His reply
below just indicated part 43 for logbook entry requirements. I'll check
my Pitts tomorrow.
Linn
Michael wrote:
>
> Well, guys I just read my Operation limitations and it says "This
> aircraft _MUST_ be maintained in accordance with the requirements of
> title 14, code of federal regulations, Part 43." So much for part 43
> not applying to me....... Does any one else have this statement in
> there op limitations? I new my understanding came from my local FSDO
> when the Operation Limitations were cut. Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
snip
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> >From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
>
> >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 11:43 AM
>
> >To: rv list
>
> >Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the
> maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in
> accordance with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In
> addition, if it is a major alteration you must follow the
> procedure stated in the aircraft's operating limitations. The
> repairman certificate only is needed to conduct the yearly
> condition inpsection and sign it off. Again, this is stated the
> the aircraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific
> questions drop me a line.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >Mike Robertson
>
> >
>
> >Das Fed
>
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
Not entirely true. Transponder/encoder biennial inspections also require
appropriate license.
>
> Anyone may legally do *any* work on an experimental aircraft (only exception
>
> is pitot-static certs), repairman's certificate or A&P are only needed for
> condition inspection.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
>
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Not entirely true. Transponder/encoder biennial inspections also require
> appropriate license.
You are correct, I should have been more specific. It is very common to
have the transponder stuff done in conjunction with pitot/static checks.
Sam Buchanan
===================
>
>>
>> Anyone may legally do *any* work on an experimental aircraft (only
>> exception
>>
>> is pitot-static certs), repairman's certificate or A&P are only needed
>> for condition inspection.
>>
>> Sam Buchanan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Sample maintenance log entry |
Hi Mike-
>Ok, my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness
>certificate not just ANYONE can do the work.
This is a common misunderstanding. For starters, part 43 has an appendix
that specifically delineates what mx a pilot may perform and sign off.
Beyond that, one of the avenues to earning an A&P is hands on experience.
Obviously, work is being performed by non-rated individuals. The key is
that the work is certified and signed off by a properly rated individual.
Likewise, very many museum aircraft are maintained by unrated volunteers,
but their work is inspected and signed off the right folks. It happens
every day-
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
OK. I have noted a couple of things here that I think need clarifiying. A
S was stated=2C the first part of FAR 43 states that it does not apply to e
xperimental aircraft. What does guide us back to parts of FAR 43 is the ai
rcraft's operating limitations. That would be the part about the yearly con
dition inspection log entry where it gives you a statement to copy and then
complete it with name=2C signature=2C certificate type=2C and number in ac
cordance with FAR 43.11.
What drives us to FAR 43.9 for logbook entries is in FAR 91 in the subpart
about maintenance (sorry=2C but I don't have my FARs right here as I am on
the road). What drives us to FAR 91 maintenance is the (usually) first par
agraph of the operating limitations that says something along the lines tha
t the aircraft will be operating in accordance with all the operating rules
of part 91. So...unless a paragraph in part 91 (i.e 91.205) states that i
t does not apply to experimentals then it does apply. That is why we have
the transponder and pitot-static checks needing to be checked by a certifie
d person/agency. Now=2C if you have more current operating limitations it
will bring in parts of 91.205 regarding the maintenance of any instruments
that are listed in 91.205. If also states the that "unless equipped IAW th
e night and/or instrument requirements of 91.205 the aircraft is restricted
to day VFR". Older sircraft may have something different.
As far of Michael's statement in his operating limitations about the aircra
ft being required to be maintained IAW the the requirements of part 43=2C t
hat possibly sounds like it may be something the local FSDO put in. I woul
d need to talk to Mike a little more to be sure. But=2C if this is true th
en it can be changed.
As far as major alterations/changes the Operating Limitations cover this.
If you have older ops limits then it may say tha you can not operate the ai
rcraft after making a major change without contacting the FSDO first. The
latest versions states that you may make the major change=2C make a logbook
entry detailing the change and place the aircraft in phase 1 for a minimum
of five hours. Then you must contact the FSDO to let them know of the cha
nge and where you propose to conduct the test flights. The fsdo also may p
lace more than 5 hours on you phase 1 time=2C but they do NOT need to look
at the aircraft again nor re-certify it.
Now....as to ADs. Here is the botom line. It very clearly states in FAR 3
9 that ADs cover all aircraft and products=2C so "yes" ADs do apply to expe
rimentals=2C BUT it has been determined by the FAA legal folks in Washingto
n DC that it can not be enforced with regards to Amateur-built aircraft. So
amateur-builts=2C even if a typed certificated engine is installed=2C do n
ot have to comply with any AD. Here is the catch though. While the FAA wo
n't do anything if you overfly an AD=2C your insurance company may not cove
r you in the event of an accident if you fail to comply with an AD. Check
with you agent to find out.
Last thing. If you have older=2C or unclear Operating Limitations=2C you c
an apply to the local FSDO=2C and now=2C some DARs=2C to issue new Operatin
g Limitations with all the latest and greatest authorizations.
I know this is a bit long winded but I am hoping this clarifies a few thing
s. If you have any specific questions feel free to drop me a line directly
.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
At last count 3 RVs built and still counting
From: g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Date: Thu=2C 19 Feb 2009 19:30:40 -0800
Well=2C guys I just read my Operation limitations and it says =93This aircr
aft MUST be maintained in accordance with the requirements of title 14=2C c
ode of federal regulations=2C Part 43.=94 So much for part 43 not applying
to me=85=85. Does any one else have this statement in there op limitations?
I new my understanding came from my local FSDO when the Operation Limitati
ons were cut. Any thoughts?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of John Fasching
Sent: Thursday=2C February 19=2C 2009 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Michael=2C Your understanding is not correct. ANYONE=2C even a three year o
ld child=2C can do maintenance on an experimental aircraft. The only thing
requiring a 'certificate' is for the annual condition inspection. Major cha
nges=2C as you point out=2C do require a return to phase 1 operation in acc
ordance with your operating limitations. The older restrictions would requi
re prior approval but the newer ones just require the log book entry after
satisfactory operation for the (typical) 5-hours of phase 1 operation.
As to ADs - if there is an AD on a specific part that you have in your plan
e=2C say a propeller or a starter=2C etc=2C then the ADs do apply. Oher tha
n that unless the AD is specifically aimed at you exact aircraft=2C
ADs do not apply with the exception pointed above.
A pilot's certificate doesn't specifically cover or grant any authority reg
arding maintenance on an experimental aircraft. Again=2C your 3-year kid ca
n do the work. The possession of a pilot's license is not a factor.
But on an experimental aircraft you CAN "do anything you want" - only comp
ly with your operating limitations=2C and make the required log book entrie
s=2C if any.
Message -----
From: Michael
Sent: Thursday=2C February 19=2C 2009 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Ok=2C my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness certi
ficate not just ANYONE can do the work. They have to be a certificated pers
on signing the work=2C builder with his repairman certificate=2C A&P or pre
ventative maintenance which a pilot's certificate will cover. Experimental
only have relief from approved parts and Ads but other than that your ops s
pecs will tell you to maintain like it was a 91 airplane with exception to:
"condition being used" instead of annual. There is a misconception that we
can do "whatever we want" to our planes but that is not the case. Small it
ems are logbook entries only but anything that constitutes a major change i
n FAR 21.93 the owner must recomply with FAR 91.319(b) which puts the aircr
aft back into phase 1 flight testing. If anyone has dealings with the feds
like I do on a REGULAR bases (part 135/145) you should see a similar testam
ent.
As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR says:
If the work performed on the aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine=2C pro
peller=2C appliance=2C or component part has been performed satisfactorily
=2C the signature=2C certificate number=2C and kind of certificate held by
the person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for r
eturn to service only for the work performed.
There you have it.
Mike
RV7
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Tuesday=2C February 17=2C 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Thanks Mike=2C
I have downloaded a bunch of the FAR's for documentation in my computer.
So....until I get the repairman's cert (and afterwards - except for annuals
) I can sign it off as 'builder'.
Ralph
4.7 hrs - working off a couple of minor bugs.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 17=2C 2009 11:43 AM
>To: rv list
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
>You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the maintenan
ce=2C or major alteration=2C and sign off the logbook in accordance with th
e logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition=2C if it is a major
alteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's operating
limitations. The repairman certificate only is needed to conduct the year
ly condition inpsection and sign it off. Again=2C this is stated the the a
ircraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific questions drop m
e a line.
>
>
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>Das Fed
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue=2C 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
>> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>>
>>
>> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and bein
g the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>>
>> Time for more research....
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
>> >Sent: Feb 17=2C 2009 10:34 AM
>> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >Well=2C this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do
not
>> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
>> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you out.
All
>> >you need in a logbook entry is date=2C aircraft/engine/appliance time
=2C
>> >description of work performed=2C signature and certificate type. If it
is a
>> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
>> >
>> >Here is the FAR:
>> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) an
d (c)
>> >of this section=2C each person who maintains=2C performs preventive mai
ntenance=2C
>> >rebuilds=2C or alters an aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine=2C pro
peller=2C
>> >appliance=2C or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance r
ecord
>> >of that equipment containing the following information:
>> >
>> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator
) of
>> >work performed.
>> >
>> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
>> >
>> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person
>> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
>> >
>> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engin
e=2C
>> >propeller=2C appliance=2C or component part has been performed satisfac
torily=2C
>> >the signature=2C certificate number=2C and kind of certificate held by
the
>> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for r
eturn
>> >to service only for the work performed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >How you format this info is up to you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >RV7 550Hrs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>> >To: "rv-list"
>> >Sent: Tuesday=2C February 17=2C 2009 6:39 AM
>> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
t>
>> >>
>> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly)=2C I would like to put an
entry
>> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow
>> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
>> >>
>> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column=2C "aircraft time in ser
vice"
>> >> column=2C "description of work performed" column=2C and "agency&certi
ficate
>> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
>> >>
>> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
>> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
>> >>
>> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks=2C
>> >> Ralph
>> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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| From: | "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
Mike,
You are spot on with some of your statements in my ops limits; my local
FSDO
is Los Angeles. I changed my tail number and the local FSDO said they
had no
time to re cut my ops specs which hade my old tail number on them. I
don't
know why the FAA doesn't just put the serial number of the aircraft so
ops
limits don't have to be changed for a simple N number change. I talked
to
the manager in the FSDO about why they couldn't accommodate me? He said
they were mandated to ignore my issue due to not enough man power to
handle
the case. So I had to pay a DAR to cut me new ops limits and 600 bucks
thank
you very much. I don't want to change my 43 statement because it doesn't
affect me, I am a mechanic for a living and I don't want to pay 600
bucks
again. I am sure most people don't realize too if you move the aircraft
to a
different FSDO region they want you to inform them that you are
operating
out of there region. Is this my local being a pain or is it a nation
wide
thing? Thank you for your knowledge and helping with the issue at hand.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
OK. I have noted a couple of things here that I think need clarifiying.
AS
was stated, the first part of FAR 43 states that it does not apply to
experimental aircraft. What does guide us back to parts of FAR 43 is
the
aircraft's operating limitations. That would be the part about the
yearly
condition inspection log entry where it gives you a statement to copy
and
then complete it with name, signature, certificate type, and number in
accordance with FAR 43.11.
What drives us to FAR 43.9 for logbook entries is in FAR 91 in the
subpart
about maintenance (sorry, but I don't have my FARs right here as I am on
the
road). What drives us to FAR 91 maintenance is the (usually) first
paragraph of the operating limitations that says something along the
lines
that the aircraft will be operating in accordance with all the operating
rules of part 91. So...unless a paragraph in part 91 (i.e 91.205)
states
that it does not apply to experimentals then it does apply. That is why
we
have the transponder and pitot-static checks needing to be checked by a
certified person/agency. Now, if you have more current operating
limitations it will bring in parts of 91.205 regarding the maintenance
of
any instruments that are listed in 91.205. If also states the that
"unless
equipped IAW the night and/or instrument requirements of 91.205 the
aircraft
is restricted to day VFR". Older sircraft may have something different.
As far of Michael's statement in his operating limitations about the
aircraft being required to be maintained IAW the the requirements of
part
43, that possibly sounds like it may be something the local FSDO put in.
I
would need to talk to Mike a little more to be sure. But, if this is
true
then it can be changed.
As far as major alterations/changes the Operating Limitations cover
this.
If you have older ops limits then it may say tha you can not operate the
aircraft after making a major change without contacting the FSDO first.
The
latest versions states that you may make the major change, make a
logbook
entry detailing the change and place the aircraft in phase 1 for a
minimum
of five hours. Then you must contact the FSDO to let them know of the
change and where you propose to conduct the test flights. The fsdo also
may
place more than 5 hours on you phase 1 time, but they do NOT need to
look at
the aircraft again nor re-certify it.
Now....as to ADs. Here is the botom line. It very clearly states in
FAR 39
that ADs cover all aircraft and products, so "yes" ADs do apply to
experimentals, BUT it has been determined by the FAA legal folks in
Washington DC that it can not be enforced with regards to Amateur-built
aircraft. So amateur-builts, even if a typed certificated engine is
installed, do not have to comply with any AD. Here is the catch though.
While the FAA won't do anything if you overfly an AD, your insurance
company
may not cover you in the event of an accident if you fail to comply with
an
AD. Check with you agent to find out.
Last thing. If you have older, or unclear Operating Limitations, you
can
apply to the local FSDO, and now, some DARs, to issue new Operating
Limitations with all the latest and greatest authorizations.
I know this is a bit long winded but I am hoping this clarifies a few
things. If you have any specific questions feel free to drop me a line
directly.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
At last count 3 RVs built and still counting
_____
From: g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:30:40 -0800
Well, guys I just read my Operation limitations and it says "This
aircraft
MUST be maintained in accordance with the requirements of title 14, code
of
federal regulations, Part 43." So much for part 43 not applying to me...
Does any one else have this statement in there op limitations? I new my
understanding came from my local FSDO when the Operation Limitations
were
cut. Any thoughts?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fasching
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Michael, Your understanding is not correct. ANYONE, even a three year
old
child, can do maintenance on an experimental aircraft. The only thing
requiring a 'certificate' is for the annual condition inspection. Major
changes, as you point out, do require a return to phase 1 operation in
accordance with your operating limitations. The older restrictions would
require prior approval but the newer ones just require the log book
entry
after satisfactory operation for the (typical) 5-hours of phase 1
operation.
As to ADs - if there is an AD on a specific part that you have in your
plane, say a propeller or a starter, etc, then the ADs do apply. Oher
than
that unless the AD is specifically aimed at you exact aircraft,
ADs do not apply with the exception pointed above.
A pilot's certificate doesn't specifically cover or grant any authority
regarding maintenance on an experimental aircraft. Again, your 3-year
kid
can do the work. The possession of a pilot's license is not a factor.
But on an experimental aircraft you CAN "do anything you want" - only
comply with your operating limitations, and make the required log book
entries, if any.
Message -----
From: Michael <mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Ok, my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness
certificate not just ANYONE can do the work. They have to be a
certificated
person signing the work, builder with his repairman certificate, A&P or
preventative maintenance which a pilot's certificate will cover.
Experimental only have relief from approved parts and Ads but other than
that your ops specs will tell you to maintain like it was a 91 airplane
with
exception to: "condition being used" instead of annual. There is a
misconception that we can do "whatever we want" to our planes but that
is
not the case. Small items are logbook entries only but anything that
constitutes a major change in FAR 21.93 the owner must recomply with FAR
91.319(b) which puts the aircraft back into phase 1 flight testing. If
anyone has dealings with the feds like I do on a REGULAR bases (part
135/145) you should see a similar testament.
As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR says:
If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller,
appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily, the
signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the
person
approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return to
service only for the work performed.
There you have it.
Mike
RV7
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Thanks Mike,
I have downloaded a bunch of the FAR's for documentation in my computer.
So....until I get the repairman's cert (and afterwards - except for
annuals)
I can sign it off as 'builder'.
Ralph
4.7 hrs - working off a couple of minor bugs.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 17, 2009 11:43 AM
>To: rv list
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
>You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the
maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in accordance
with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition, if it is
a
major alteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's
operating limitations. The repairman certificate only is needed to
conduct
the yearly condition inpsection and sign it off. Again, this is stated
the
the aircraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific
questions
drop me a line.
>
>
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>Das Fed
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
>> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>>
>>
>> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and
being
the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>>
>> Time for more research....
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
>> >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
>> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do
not
>> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
>> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you
out.
All
>> >you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance time,
>> >description of work performed, signature and certificate type. If it
is
a
>> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
>> >
>> >Here is the FAR:
>> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b)
and
(c)
>> >of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive
maintenance,
>> >rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller,
>> >appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance
record
>> >of that equipment containing the following information:
>> >
>> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the
Administrator)
of
>> >work performed.
>> >
>> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
>> >
>> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the
person
>> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
>> >
>> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft
engine,
>> >propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
satisfactorily,
>> >the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by
the
>> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval
for
return
>> >to service only for the work performed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >How you format this info is up to you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >RV7 550Hrs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>> >To: "rv-list"
>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
>> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an
entry
>> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel
flow
>> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
>> >>
>> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in
service"
>> >> column, "description of work performed" column, and
"agency&certificate
>> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
>> >>
>> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance
with
>> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
>> >>
>> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Ralph
>> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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| From: | "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
Mike,
You are spot on with some of your statements in my ops limits; my local
FSDO
is Los Angeles. I changed my tail number and the local FSDO said they
had no
time to re cut my ops specs which hade my old tail number on them. I
don't
know why the FAA doesn't just put the serial number of the aircraft so
ops
limits don't have to be changed for a simple N number change. I talked
to
the manager in the FSDO about why they couldn't accommodate me? He said
they were mandated to ignore my issue due to not enough man power to
handle
the case. So I had to pay a DAR to cut me new ops limits and 600 bucks
thank
you very much. I don't want to change my 43 statement because it doesn't
affect me, I am a mechanic for a living and I don't want to pay 600
bucks
again. I am sure most people don't realize too if you move the aircraft
to a
different FSDO region they want you to inform them that you are
operating
out of there region. Is this my local being a pain or is it a nation
wide
thing? Thank you for your knowledge and helping with the issue at hand.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
OK. I have noted a couple of things here that I think need clarifiying.
AS
was stated, the first part of FAR 43 states that it does not apply to
experimental aircraft. What does guide us back to parts of FAR 43 is
the
aircraft's operating limitations. That would be the part about the
yearly
condition inspection log entry where it gives you a statement to copy
and
then complete it with name, signature, certificate type, and number in
accordance with FAR 43.11.
What drives us to FAR 43.9 for logbook entries is in FAR 91 in the
subpart
about maintenance (sorry, but I don't have my FARs right here as I am on
the
road). What drives us to FAR 91 maintenance is the (usually) first
paragraph of the operating limitations that says something along the
lines
that the aircraft will be operating in accordance with all the operating
rules of part 91. So...unless a paragraph in part 91 (i.e 91.205)
states
that it does not apply to experimentals then it does apply. That is why
we
have the transponder and pitot-static checks needing to be checked by a
certified person/agency. Now, if you have more current operating
limitations it will bring in parts of 91.205 regarding the maintenance
of
any instruments that are listed in 91.205. If also states the that
"unless
equipped IAW the night and/or instrument requirements of 91.205 the
aircraft
is restricted to day VFR". Older sircraft may have something different.
As far of Michael's statement in his operating limitations about the
aircraft being required to be maintained IAW the the requirements of
part
43, that possibly sounds like it may be something the local FSDO put in.
I
would need to talk to Mike a little more to be sure. But, if this is
true
then it can be changed.
As far as major alterations/changes the Operating Limitations cover
this.
If you have older ops limits then it may say tha you can not operate the
aircraft after making a major change without contacting the FSDO first.
The
latest versions states that you may make the major change, make a
logbook
entry detailing the change and place the aircraft in phase 1 for a
minimum
of five hours. Then you must contact the FSDO to let them know of the
change and where you propose to conduct the test flights. The fsdo also
may
place more than 5 hours on you phase 1 time, but they do NOT need to
look at
the aircraft again nor re-certify it.
Now....as to ADs. Here is the botom line. It very clearly states in
FAR 39
that ADs cover all aircraft and products, so "yes" ADs do apply to
experimentals, BUT it has been determined by the FAA legal folks in
Washington DC that it can not be enforced with regards to Amateur-built
aircraft. So amateur-builts, even if a typed certificated engine is
installed, do not have to comply with any AD. Here is the catch though.
While the FAA won't do anything if you overfly an AD, your insurance
company
may not cover you in the event of an accident if you fail to comply with
an
AD. Check with you agent to find out.
Last thing. If you have older, or unclear Operating Limitations, you
can
apply to the local FSDO, and now, some DARs, to issue new Operating
Limitations with all the latest and greatest authorizations.
I know this is a bit long winded but I am hoping this clarifies a few
things. If you have any specific questions feel free to drop me a line
directly.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
At last count 3 RVs built and still counting
_____
From: g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:30:40 -0800
Well, guys I just read my Operation limitations and it says "This
aircraft
MUST be maintained in accordance with the requirements of title 14, code
of
federal regulations, Part 43." So much for part 43 not applying to me...
Does any one else have this statement in there op limitations? I new my
understanding came from my local FSDO when the Operation Limitations
were
cut. Any thoughts?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fasching
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Michael, Your understanding is not correct. ANYONE, even a three year
old
child, can do maintenance on an experimental aircraft. The only thing
requiring a 'certificate' is for the annual condition inspection. Major
changes, as you point out, do require a return to phase 1 operation in
accordance with your operating limitations. The older restrictions would
require prior approval but the newer ones just require the log book
entry
after satisfactory operation for the (typical) 5-hours of phase 1
operation.
As to ADs - if there is an AD on a specific part that you have in your
plane, say a propeller or a starter, etc, then the ADs do apply. Oher
than
that unless the AD is specifically aimed at you exact aircraft,
ADs do not apply with the exception pointed above.
A pilot's certificate doesn't specifically cover or grant any authority
regarding maintenance on an experimental aircraft. Again, your 3-year
kid
can do the work. The possession of a pilot's license is not a factor.
But on an experimental aircraft you CAN "do anything you want" - only
comply with your operating limitations, and make the required log book
entries, if any.
Message -----
From: Michael <mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Ok, my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness
certificate not just ANYONE can do the work. They have to be a
certificated
person signing the work, builder with his repairman certificate, A&P or
preventative maintenance which a pilot's certificate will cover.
Experimental only have relief from approved parts and Ads but other than
that your ops specs will tell you to maintain like it was a 91 airplane
with
exception to: "condition being used" instead of annual. There is a
misconception that we can do "whatever we want" to our planes but that
is
not the case. Small items are logbook entries only but anything that
constitutes a major change in FAR 21.93 the owner must recomply with FAR
91.319(b) which puts the aircraft back into phase 1 flight testing. If
anyone has dealings with the feds like I do on a REGULAR bases (part
135/145) you should see a similar testament.
As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR says:
If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller,
appliance, or component part has been performed satisfactorily, the
signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the
person
approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for return to
service only for the work performed.
There you have it.
Mike
RV7
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Thanks Mike,
I have downloaded a bunch of the FAR's for documentation in my computer.
So....until I get the repairman's cert (and afterwards - except for
annuals)
I can sign it off as 'builder'.
Ralph
4.7 hrs - working off a couple of minor bugs.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 17, 2009 11:43 AM
>To: rv list
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
>You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the
maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in accordance
with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition, if it is
a
major alteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's
operating limitations. The repairman certificate only is needed to
conduct
the yearly condition inpsection and sign it off. Again, this is stated
the
the aircraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific
questions
drop me a line.
>
>
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>Das Fed
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
>> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>>
>>
>> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and
being
the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>>
>> Time for more research....
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
>> >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
>> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do
not
>> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
>> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you
out.
All
>> >you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance time,
>> >description of work performed, signature and certificate type. If it
is
a
>> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
>> >
>> >Here is the FAR:
>> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b)
and
(c)
>> >of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive
maintenance,
>> >rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller,
>> >appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance
record
>> >of that equipment containing the following information:
>> >
>> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the
Administrator)
of
>> >work performed.
>> >
>> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
>> >
>> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the
person
>> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
>> >
>> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft
engine,
>> >propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
satisfactorily,
>> >the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by
the
>> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval
for
return
>> >to service only for the work performed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >How you format this info is up to you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >RV7 550Hrs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>> >To: "rv-list"
>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
>> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an
entry
>> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel
flow
>> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
>> >>
>> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in
service"
>> >> column, "description of work performed" column, and
"agency&certificate
>> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
>> >>
>> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance
with
>> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
>> >>
>> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Ralph
>> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
Michael wrote:
> Mike,
>
>
>
> You are spot on with some of your statements in my ops limits; my local FSDO
> is Los Angeles. I changed my tail number and the local FSDO said they had no
> time to re cut my ops specs which hade my old tail number on them. I don't
> know why the FAA doesn't just put the serial number of the aircraft so ops
> limits don't have to be changed for a simple N number change. I talked to
> the manager in the FSDO about why they couldn't accommodate me? He said
> they were mandated to ignore my issue due to not enough man power to handle
> the case. So I had to pay a DAR to cut me new ops limits and 600 bucks thank
> you very much. I don't want to change my 43 statement because it doesn't
> affect me, I am a mechanic for a living and I don't want to pay 600 bucks
> again. I am sure most people don't realize too if you move the aircraft to a
> different FSDO region they want you to inform them that you are operating
> out of there region. Is this my local being a pain or is it a nation wide
> thing? Thank you for your knowledge and helping with the issue at hand.
>
Michael,
Your statement about the FAR 43 reference in your operating limitations
is the first time I have ever heard of an experimental being tied to FAR
43 maintenance protocol. This is not a national practice, and is one I
suspect violates the template of experimental certification as
recognized nationwide. Sounds like some overzealous FAA-types with
limited experimental experience got their hands on your op lims. :-)
This is unfortunate due to the expense you would incur for changes and
also how your paperwork would *really* hurt the resale value of your
plane. I can't imagine someone up to speed on experimental regs wanting
to purchase an RV-7 with your op lims. Fortunately you can legally do
all the maintenance but rest assured your case is a rare exception.
Best regards,
Sam Buchanan
http://thervjournal.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
In addition I think 600 bucks for those changes is pretty absurd. I didn't
pay half that to get my dar to inspect my plane and issue them in the first
place. Sounds like they need some new blood in that area. Where are you
Michael?
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TBover 120 hours now
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:04 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
> Michael wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> >
> >
> > You are spot on with some of your statements in my ops limits; my
> local FSDO
> > is Los Angeles. I changed my tail number and the local FSDO said they
> had no
> > time to re cut my ops specs which hade my old tail number on them. I
> don't
> > know why the FAA doesn't just put the serial number of the aircraft
> so ops
> > limits don't have to be changed for a simple N number change. I
> talked to
> > the manager in the FSDO about why they couldn't accommodate me? He
> said
> > they were mandated to ignore my issue due to not enough man power to
> handle
> > the case. So I had to pay a DAR to cut me new ops limits and 600
> bucks thank
> > you very much. I don't want to change my 43 statement because it
> doesn't
> > affect me, I am a mechanic for a living and I don't want to pay 600
> bucks
> > again. I am sure most people don't realize too if you move the
> aircraft to a
> > different FSDO region they want you to inform them that you are
> operating
> > out of there region. Is this my local being a pain or is it a nation
> wide
> > thing? Thank you for your knowledge and helping with the issue at
> hand.
> >
>
> Michael,
>
> Your statement about the FAR 43 reference in your operating limitations
> is the first time I have ever heard of an experimental being tied to
> FAR
> 43 maintenance protocol. This is not a national practice, and is one I
> suspect violates the template of experimental certification as
> recognized nationwide. Sounds like some overzealous FAA-types with
> limited experimental experience got their hands on your op lims. :-)
>
> This is unfortunate due to the expense you would incur for changes and
> also how your paperwork would *really* hurt the resale value of your
> plane. I can't imagine someone up to speed on experimental regs wanting
> to purchase an RV-7 with your op lims. Fortunately you can legally do
> all the maintenance but rest assured your case is a rare exception.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Sam Buchanan
> http://thervjournal.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
> Michael wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>>
>> You are spot on with some of your statements in my ops limits; my
>> local FSDO is Los Angeles. I changed my tail number and the local
>> FSDO said they had no time to re cut my ops specs which hade my old
>> tail number on them. I don't know why the FAA doesn't just put the
>> serial number of the aircraft so ops limits don't have to be
>> changed for a simple N number change. I talked to the manager in
>> the FSDO about why they couldn't accommodate me? He said they were
>> mandated to ignore my issue due to not enough man power to handle
>> the case. So I had to pay a DAR to cut me new ops limits and 600
>> bucks thank you very much. I don't want to change my 43 statement
>> because it doesn't affect me, I am a mechanic for a living and I
>> don't want to pay 600 bucks again. I am sure most people don't
>> realize too if you move the aircraft to a different FSDO region
>> they want you to inform them that you are operating out of there
>> region. Is this my local being a pain or is it a nation wide thing?
>> Thank you for your knowledge and helping with the issue at hand.
>>
>
> Michael,
>
> Your statement about the FAR 43 reference in your operating
> limitations is the first time I have ever heard of an experimental
> being tied to FAR 43 maintenance protocol. This is not a national
> practice, and is one I suspect violates the template of experimental
> certification as recognized nationwide. Sounds like some overzealous
> FAA-types with limited experimental experience got their hands on
> your op lims. :-)
>
> This is unfortunate due to the expense you would incur for changes
> and also how your paperwork would *really* hurt the resale value of
> your plane. I can't imagine someone up to speed on experimental regs
> wanting to purchase an RV-7 with your op lims. Fortunately you can
> legally do all the maintenance but rest assured your case is a rare
> exception.
>
To extend the thought, does the demand per your RV-7 operating
limitations for FAR 43 maintenance mean that all replacement parts must
meet FAA-PMA and TSO standards??? And if that is the case, to what type
certificate are you supposed to comply?
Wow...the more I think about this thing the more my head hurts......
;-)
If this was my plane, I would get the legal standards folks of the EAA
involved and get those op lims fixed.
Sam Buchanan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bergner" <bill(at)bergner.com> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
The Allentown FSDO did the paperwork for me for free 2 years ago and they
were very accommodating and pleasant to work with. I don't know if their
policy is different now.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
> Michael wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>>
>> You are spot on with some of your statements in my ops limits; my
>> local FSDO is Los Angeles. I changed my tail number and the local
>> FSDO said they had no time to re cut my ops specs which hade my old
>> tail number on them. I don't know why the FAA doesn't just put the
>> serial number of the aircraft so ops limits don't have to be
>> changed for a simple N number change. I talked to the manager in
>> the FSDO about why they couldn't accommodate me? He said they were
>> mandated to ignore my issue due to not enough man power to handle
>> the case. So I had to pay a DAR to cut me new ops limits and 600
>> bucks thank you very much. I don't want to change my 43 statement
>> because it doesn't affect me, I am a mechanic for a living and I
>> don't want to pay 600 bucks again. I am sure most people don't
>> realize too if you move the aircraft to a different FSDO region
>> they want you to inform them that you are operating out of there
>> region. Is this my local being a pain or is it a nation wide thing?
>> Thank you for your knowledge and helping with the issue at hand.
>>
>
> Michael,
>
> Your statement about the FAR 43 reference in your operating
> limitations is the first time I have ever heard of an experimental
> being tied to FAR 43 maintenance protocol. This is not a national
> practice, and is one I suspect violates the template of experimental
> certification as recognized nationwide. Sounds like some overzealous
> FAA-types with limited experimental experience got their hands on
> your op lims. :-)
>
> This is unfortunate due to the expense you would incur for changes
> and also how your paperwork would *really* hurt the resale value of
> your plane. I can't imagine someone up to speed on experimental regs
> wanting to purchase an RV-7 with your op lims. Fortunately you can
> legally do all the maintenance but rest assured your case is a rare
> exception.
>
To extend the thought, does the demand per your RV-7 operating
limitations for FAR 43 maintenance mean that all replacement parts must
meet FAA-PMA and TSO standards??? And if that is the case, to what type
certificate are you supposed to comply?
Wow...the more I think about this thing the more my head hurts......
;-)
If this was my plane, I would get the legal standards folks of the EAA
involved and get those op lims fixed.
Sam Buchanan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
It is your local FSDO being a pain. There is absolutely no legal requireme
nt to inform the local FSDO if you move.
Also=2C if you do not like the way you are being treated by your local FSDO
you have the right to call their next higher up manager and file a complai
nt. That is called invoking the customer service initiative. Reissuing op
erating limitations and a new airworthiness certificate takes about 20 minu
tes. If you don't want to hassle with your local FSDO you can go to anothe
r FSDO like Van Nuys or Riverside.
Mike R.
Das Fed
From: g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Date: Fri=2C 20 Feb 2009 09:41:43 -0800
Mike=2C
You are spot on with some of your statements in my ops limits=3B my local F
SDO is Los Angeles. I changed my tail number and the local FSDO said they h
ad no time to re cut my ops specs which hade my old tail number on them. I
don=92t know why the FAA doesn=92t just put the serial number of the aircra
ft so ops limits don=92t have to be changed for a simple N number change. I
talked to the manager in the FSDO about why they couldn=92t accommodate me
? He said they were mandated to ignore my issue due to not enough man powe
r to handle the case. So I had to pay a DAR to cut me new ops limits and 60
0 bucks thank you very much. I don=92t want to change my 43 statement becau
se it doesn=92t affect me=2C I am a mechanic for a living and I don=92t wan
t to pay 600 bucks again. I am sure most people don=92t realize too if you
move the aircraft to a different FSDO region they want you to inform them t
hat you are operating out of there region. Is this my local being a pain or
is it a nation wide thing? Thank you for your knowledge and helping with t
he issue at hand.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
Sent: Friday=2C February 20=2C 2009 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
OK. I have noted a couple of things here that I think need clarifiying. A
S was stated=2C the first part of FAR 43 states that it does not apply to e
xperimental aircraft. What does guide us back to parts of FAR 43 is the ai
rcraft's operating limitations. That would be the part about the yearly con
dition inspection log entry where it gives you a statement to copy and then
complete it with name=2C signature=2C certificate type=2C and number in ac
cordance with FAR 43.11.
What drives us to FAR 43.9 for logbook entries is in FAR 91 in the subpart
about maintenance (sorry=2C but I don't have my FARs right here as I am on
the road). What drives us to FAR 91 maintenance is the (usually) first par
agraph of the operating limitations that says something along the lines tha
t the aircraft will be operating in accordance with all the operating rules
of part 91. So...unless a paragraph in part 91 (i.e 91.205) states that i
t does not apply to experimentals then it does apply. That is why we have
the transponder and pitot-static checks needing to be checked by a certifie
d person/agency. Now=2C if you have more current operating limitations it
will bring in parts of 91.205 regarding the maintenance of any instruments
that are listed in 91.205. If also states the that "unless equipped IAW th
e night and/or instrument requirements of 91.205 the aircraft is restricted
to day VFR". Older sircraft may have something different.
As far of Michael's statement in his operating limitations about the aircra
ft being required to be maintained IAW the the requirements of part 43=2C t
hat possibly sounds like it may be something the local FSDO put in. I woul
d need to talk to Mike a little more to be sure. But=2C if this is true th
en it can be changed.
As far as major alterations/changes the Operating Limitations cover this.
If you have older ops limits then it may say tha you can not operate the ai
rcraft after making a major change without contacting the FSDO first. The
latest versions states that you may make the major change=2C make a logbook
entry detailing the change and place the aircraft in phase 1 for a minimum
of five hours. Then you must contact the FSDO to let them know of the cha
nge and where you propose to conduct the test flights. The fsdo also may p
lace more than 5 hours on you phase 1 time=2C but they do NOT need to look
at the aircraft again nor re-certify it.
Now....as to ADs. Here is the botom line. It very clearly states in FAR 3
9 that ADs cover all aircraft and products=2C so "yes" ADs do apply to expe
rimentals=2C BUT it has been determined by the FAA legal folks in Washingto
n DC that it can not be enforced with regards to Amateur-built aircraft. So
amateur-builts=2C even if a typed certificated engine is installed=2C do n
ot have to comply with any AD. Here is the catch though. While the FAA wo
n't do anything if you overfly an AD=2C your insurance company may not cove
r you in the event of an accident if you fail to comply with an AD. Check
with you agent to find out.
Last thing. If you have older=2C or unclear Operating Limitations=2C you c
an apply to the local FSDO=2C and now=2C some DARs=2C to issue new Operatin
g Limitations with all the latest and greatest authorizations.
I know this is a bit long winded but I am hoping this clarifies a few thing
s. If you have any specific questions feel free to drop me a line directly
.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
At last count 3 RVs built and still counting
From: g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Date: Thu=2C 19 Feb 2009 19:30:40 -0800
Well=2C guys I just read my Operation limitations and it says =93This aircr
aft MUST be maintained in accordance with the requirements of title 14=2C c
ode of federal regulations=2C Part 43.=94 So much for part 43 not applying
to me=85=85. Does any one else have this statement in there op limitations?
I new my understanding came from my local FSDO when the Operation Limitati
ons were cut. Any thoughts?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of John Fasching
Sent: Thursday=2C February 19=2C 2009 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Michael=2C Your understanding is not correct. ANYONE=2C even a three year o
ld child=2C can do maintenance on an experimental aircraft. The only thing
requiring a 'certificate' is for the annual condition inspection. Major cha
nges=2C as you point out=2C do require a return to phase 1 operation in acc
ordance with your operating limitations. The older restrictions would requi
re prior approval but the newer ones just require the log book entry after
satisfactory operation for the (typical) 5-hours of phase 1 operation.
As to ADs - if there is an AD on a specific part that you have in your plan
e=2C say a propeller or a starter=2C etc=2C then the ADs do apply. Oher tha
n that unless the AD is specifically aimed at you exact aircraft=2C
ADs do not apply with the exception pointed above.
A pilot's certificate doesn't specifically cover or grant any authority reg
arding maintenance on an experimental aircraft. Again=2C your 3-year kid ca
n do the work. The possession of a pilot's license is not a factor.
But on an experimental aircraft you CAN "do anything you want" - only comp
ly with your operating limitations=2C and make the required log book entrie
s=2C if any.
Message -----
From: Michael
Sent: Thursday=2C February 19=2C 2009 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Ok=2C my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness certi
ficate not just ANYONE can do the work. They have to be a certificated pers
on signing the work=2C builder with his repairman certificate=2C A&P or pre
ventative maintenance which a pilot's certificate will cover. Experimental
only have relief from approved parts and Ads but other than that your ops s
pecs will tell you to maintain like it was a 91 airplane with exception to:
"condition being used" instead of annual. There is a misconception that we
can do "whatever we want" to our planes but that is not the case. Small it
ems are logbook entries only but anything that constitutes a major change i
n FAR 21.93 the owner must recomply with FAR 91.319(b) which puts the aircr
aft back into phase 1 flight testing. If anyone has dealings with the feds
like I do on a REGULAR bases (part 135/145) you should see a similar testam
ent.
As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR says:
If the work performed on the aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine=2C pro
peller=2C appliance=2C or component part has been performed satisfactorily
=2C the signature=2C certificate number=2C and kind of certificate held by
the person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for r
eturn to service only for the work performed.
There you have it.
Mike
RV7
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Tuesday=2C February 17=2C 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Thanks Mike=2C
I have downloaded a bunch of the FAR's for documentation in my computer.
So....until I get the repairman's cert (and afterwards - except for annuals
) I can sign it off as 'builder'.
Ralph
4.7 hrs - working off a couple of minor bugs.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 17=2C 2009 11:43 AM
>To: rv list
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
>You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the maintenan
ce=2C or major alteration=2C and sign off the logbook in accordance with th
e logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition=2C if it is a major
alteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's operating
limitations. The repairman certificate only is needed to conduct the year
ly condition inpsection and sign it off. Again=2C this is stated the the a
ircraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific questions drop m
e a line.
>
>
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>Das Fed
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue=2C 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
>> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>>
>>
>> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and bein
g the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>>
>> Time for more research....
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
>> >Sent: Feb 17=2C 2009 10:34 AM
>> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >Well=2C this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do
not
>> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
>> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you out.
All
>> >you need in a logbook entry is date=2C aircraft/engine/appliance time
=2C
>> >description of work performed=2C signature and certificate type. If it
is a
>> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
>> >
>> >Here is the FAR:
>> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) an
d (c)
>> >of this section=2C each person who maintains=2C performs preventive mai
ntenance=2C
>> >rebuilds=2C or alters an aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine=2C pro
peller=2C
>> >appliance=2C or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance r
ecord
>> >of that equipment containing the following information:
>> >
>> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator
) of
>> >work performed.
>> >
>> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
>> >
>> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person
>> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
>> >
>> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engin
e=2C
>> >propeller=2C appliance=2C or component part has been performed satisfac
torily=2C
>> >the signature=2C certificate number=2C and kind of certificate held by
the
>> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for r
eturn
>> >to service only for the work performed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >How you format this info is up to you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >RV7 550Hrs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>> >To: "rv-list"
>> >Sent: Tuesday=2C February 17=2C 2009 6:39 AM
>> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
t>
>> >>
>> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly)=2C I would like to put an
entry
>> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow
>> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
>> >>
>> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column=2C "aircraft time in ser
vice"
>> >> column=2C "description of work performed" column=2C and "agency&certi
ficate
>> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
>> >>
>> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
>> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
>> >>
>> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks=2C
>> >> Ralph
>> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
The policy is up to the local FSDO managment and is supposed to be dictated
by man power availability.
Mike R.
> From: bill(at)bergner.com
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> Date: Fri=2C 20 Feb 2009 18:29:23 -0500
>
>
> The Allentown FSDO did the paperwork for me for free 2 years ago and they
> were very accommodating and pleasant to work with. I don't know if their
> policy is different now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
> Sent: Friday=2C February 20=2C 2009 5:54 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
> Sam Buchanan wrote:
> >
> > Michael wrote:
> >> Mike=2C
> >>
> >>
> >> You are spot on with some of your statements in my ops limits=3B my
> >> local FSDO is Los Angeles. I changed my tail number and the local
> >> FSDO said they had no time to re cut my ops specs which hade my old
> >> tail number on them. I don't know why the FAA doesn't just put the
> >> serial number of the aircraft so ops limits don't have to be
> >> changed for a simple N number change. I talked to the manager in
> >> the FSDO about why they couldn't accommodate me? He said they were
> >> mandated to ignore my issue due to not enough man power to handle
> >> the case. So I had to pay a DAR to cut me new ops limits and 600
> >> bucks thank you very much. I don't want to change my 43 statement
> >> because it doesn't affect me=2C I am a mechanic for a living and I
> >> don't want to pay 600 bucks again. I am sure most people don't
> >> realize too if you move the aircraft to a different FSDO region
> >> they want you to inform them that you are operating out of there
> >> region. Is this my local being a pain or is it a nation wide thing?
> >> Thank you for your knowledge and helping with the issue at hand.
> >>
> >
> > Michael=2C
> >
> > Your statement about the FAR 43 reference in your operating
> > limitations is the first time I have ever heard of an experimental
> > being tied to FAR 43 maintenance protocol. This is not a national
> > practice=2C and is one I suspect violates the template of experimental
> > certification as recognized nationwide. Sounds like some overzealous
> > FAA-types with limited experimental experience got their hands on
> > your op lims. :-)
> >
> > This is unfortunate due to the expense you would incur for changes
> > and also how your paperwork would *really* hurt the resale value of
> > your plane. I can't imagine someone up to speed on experimental regs
> > wanting to purchase an RV-7 with your op lims. Fortunately you can
> > legally do all the maintenance but rest assured your case is a rare
> > exception.
> >
>
> To extend the thought=2C does the demand per your RV-7 operating
> limitations for FAR 43 maintenance mean that all replacement parts must
> meet FAA-PMA and TSO standards??? And if that is the case=2C to what type
> certificate are you supposed to comply?
>
> Wow...the more I think about this thing the more my head hurts......
> =3B-)
>
> If this was my plane=2C I would get the legal standards folks of the EAA
> involved and get those op lims fixed.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
Yea I hear ya but never fear I will NEVER sell my plane to anyone.......I
will live in it and sell my house first!!! Resale...naww I don't thing so
because the limits can be amended really for a nominal fee if one desire so.
If value is based on 600 dollar change..then I don't want to deal with a
buyer like that. Cheers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
> Michael wrote:
>> Mike, You are spot on with some of your statements in my ops limits; my
>> local FSDO
>> is Los Angeles. I changed my tail number and the local FSDO said they had
>> no
>> time to re cut my ops specs which hade my old tail number on them. I
>> don't
>> know why the FAA doesn't just put the serial number of the aircraft so
>> ops
>> limits don't have to be changed for a simple N number change. I talked to
>> the manager in the FSDO about why they couldn't accommodate me? He said
>> they were mandated to ignore my issue due to not enough man power to
>> handle
>> the case. So I had to pay a DAR to cut me new ops limits and 600 bucks
>> thank
>> you very much. I don't want to change my 43 statement because it doesn't
>> affect me, I am a mechanic for a living and I don't want to pay 600 bucks
>> again. I am sure most people don't realize too if you move the aircraft
>> to a
>> different FSDO region they want you to inform them that you are operating
>> out of there region. Is this my local being a pain or is it a nation wide
>> thing? Thank you for your knowledge and helping with the issue at hand.
>>
>
> Michael,
>
> Your statement about the FAR 43 reference in your operating limitations is
> the first time I have ever heard of an experimental being tied to FAR 43
> maintenance protocol. This is not a national practice, and is one I
> suspect violates the template of experimental certification as recognized
> nationwide. Sounds like some overzealous FAA-types with limited
> experimental experience got their hands on your op lims. :-)
>
> This is unfortunate due to the expense you would incur for changes and
> also how your paperwork would *really* hurt the resale value of your
> plane. I can't imagine someone up to speed on experimental regs wanting to
> purchase an RV-7 with your op lims. Fortunately you can legally do all the
> maintenance but rest assured your case is a rare exception.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Sam Buchanan
> http://thervjournal.com
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
I don't see how part 43 talks about approved parts. Why would I change the
op limits???? I am a full time aircraft mechanic, my ops limitations do not
hinder me in anyway. If you are a non A&P and want to " save money" by
owning an experimental then I could see ones point. My RV is just like
anyone else's, condition inspection and logical maintenance standards.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Buchanan" <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
> Sam Buchanan wrote:
>>
>> Michael wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>>
>>> You are spot on with some of your statements in my ops limits; my local
>>> FSDO is Los Angeles. I changed my tail number and the local
>>> FSDO said they had no time to re cut my ops specs which hade my old
>>> tail number on them. I don't know why the FAA doesn't just put the
>>> serial number of the aircraft so ops limits don't have to be
>>> changed for a simple N number change. I talked to the manager in
>>> the FSDO about why they couldn't accommodate me? He said they were
>>> mandated to ignore my issue due to not enough man power to handle the
>>> case. So I had to pay a DAR to cut me new ops limits and 600
>>> bucks thank you very much. I don't want to change my 43 statement
>>> because it doesn't affect me, I am a mechanic for a living and I
>>> don't want to pay 600 bucks again. I am sure most people don't
>>> realize too if you move the aircraft to a different FSDO region
>>> they want you to inform them that you are operating out of there
>>> region. Is this my local being a pain or is it a nation wide thing?
>>> Thank you for your knowledge and helping with the issue at hand.
>>>
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Your statement about the FAR 43 reference in your operating
>> limitations is the first time I have ever heard of an experimental
>> being tied to FAR 43 maintenance protocol. This is not a national
>> practice, and is one I suspect violates the template of experimental
>> certification as recognized nationwide. Sounds like some overzealous
>> FAA-types with limited experimental experience got their hands on
>> your op lims. :-)
>>
>> This is unfortunate due to the expense you would incur for changes
>> and also how your paperwork would *really* hurt the resale value of
>> your plane. I can't imagine someone up to speed on experimental regs
>> wanting to purchase an RV-7 with your op lims. Fortunately you can
>> legally do all the maintenance but rest assured your case is a rare
>> exception.
>>
>
> To extend the thought, does the demand per your RV-7 operating limitations
> for FAR 43 maintenance mean that all replacement parts must meet FAA-PMA
> and TSO standards??? And if that is the case, to what type certificate are
> you supposed to comply?
>
> Wow...the more I think about this thing the more my head hurts......
> ;-)
>
> If this was my plane, I would get the legal standards folks of the EAA
> involved and get those op lims fixed.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
Thanks for the insight Mike, I knew they were just being a pain in the
ass.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Robertson
To: rv list
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
It is your local FSDO being a pain. There is absolutely no legal
requirement to inform the local FSDO if you move.
Also, if you do not like the way you are being treated by your local
FSDO you have the right to call their next higher up manager and file a
complaint. That is called invoking the customer service initiative.
Reissuing operating limitations and a new airworthiness certificate
takes about 20 minutes. If you don't want to hassle with your local
FSDO you can go to another FSDO like Van Nuys or Riverside.
Mike R.
Das Fed
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From: g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:41:43 -0800
Mike,
You are spot on with some of your statements in my ops limits; my
local FSDO is Los Angeles. I changed my tail number and the local FSDO
said they had no time to re cut my ops specs which hade my old tail
number on them. I don=92t know why the FAA doesn=92t just put the serial
number of the aircraft so ops limits don=92t have to be changed for a
simple N number change. I talked to the manager in the FSDO about why
they couldn=92t accommodate me? He said they were mandated to ignore my
issue due to not enough man power to handle the case. So I had to pay a
DAR to cut me new ops limits and 600 bucks thank you very much. I
don=92t want to change my 43 statement because it doesn=92t affect me, I
am a mechanic for a living and I don=92t want to pay 600 bucks again. I
am sure most people don=92t realize too if you move the aircraft to a
different FSDO region they want you to inform them that you are
operating out of there region. Is this my local being a pain or is it a
nation wide thing? Thank you for your knowledge and helping with the
issue at hand.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:02 AM
To: rv list
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
OK. I have noted a couple of things here that I think need
clarifiying. AS was stated, the first part of FAR 43 states that it
does not apply to experimental aircraft. What does guide us back to
parts of FAR 43 is the aircraft's operating limitations. That would be
the part about the yearly condition inspection log entry where it gives
you a statement to copy and then complete it with name, signature,
certificate type, and number in accordance with FAR 43.11.
What drives us to FAR 43.9 for logbook entries is in FAR 91 in the
subpart about maintenance (sorry, but I don't have my FARs right here as
I am on the road). What drives us to FAR 91 maintenance is the
(usually) first paragraph of the operating limitations that says
something along the lines that the aircraft will be operating in
accordance with all the operating rules of part 91. So...unless a
paragraph in part 91 (i.e 91.205) states that it does not apply to
experimentals then it does apply. That is why we have the transponder
and pitot-static checks needing to be checked by a certified
person/agency. Now, if you have more current operating limitations it
will bring in parts of 91.205 regarding the maintenance of any
instruments that are listed in 91.205. If also states the that "unless
equipped IAW the night and/or instrument requirements of 91.205 the
aircraft is restricted to day VFR". Older sircraft may have something
different.
As far of Michael's statement in his operating limitations about the
aircraft being required to be maintained IAW the the requirements of
part 43, that possibly sounds like it may be something the local FSDO
put in. I would need to talk to Mike a little more to be sure. But, if
this is true then it can be changed.
As far as major alterations/changes the Operating Limitations cover
this. If you have older ops limits then it may say tha you can not
operate the aircraft after making a major change without contacting the
FSDO first. The latest versions states that you may make the major
change, make a logbook entry detailing the change and place the aircraft
in phase 1 for a minimum of five hours. Then you must contact the FSDO
to let them know of the change and where you propose to conduct the test
flights. The fsdo also may place more than 5 hours on you phase 1 time,
but they do NOT need to look at the aircraft again nor re-certify it.
Now....as to ADs. Here is the botom line. It very clearly states in
FAR 39 that ADs cover all aircraft and products, so "yes" ADs do apply
to experimentals, BUT it has been determined by the FAA legal folks in
Washington DC that it can not be enforced with regards to Amateur-built
aircraft. So amateur-builts, even if a typed certificated engine is
installed, do not have to comply with any AD. Here is the catch though.
While the FAA won't do anything if you overfly an AD, your insurance
company may not cover you in the event of an accident if you fail to
comply with an AD. Check with you agent to find out.
Last thing. If you have older, or unclear Operating Limitations, you
can apply to the local FSDO, and now, some DARs, to issue new Operating
Limitations with all the latest and greatest authorizations.
I know this is a bit long winded but I am hoping this clarifies a few
things. If you have any specific questions feel free to drop me a line
directly.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
At last count 3 RVs built and still counting
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From: g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:30:40 -0800
Well, guys I just read my Operation limitations and it says =93This
aircraft MUST be maintained in accordance with the requirements of title
14, code of federal regulations, Part 43.=94 So much for part 43 not
applying to me=85=85. Does any one else have this statement in there op
limitations? I new my understanding came from my local FSDO when the
Operation Limitations were cut. Any thoughts?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fasching
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:42 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Michael, Your understanding is not correct. ANYONE, even a three year
old child, can do maintenance on an experimental aircraft. The only
thing requiring a 'certificate' is for the annual condition inspection.
Major changes, as you point out, do require a return to phase 1
operation in accordance with your operating limitations. The older
restrictions would require prior approval but the newer ones just
require the log book entry after satisfactory operation for the
(typical) 5-hours of phase 1 operation.
As to ADs - if there is an AD on a specific part that you have in your
plane, say a propeller or a starter, etc, then the ADs do apply. Oher
than that unless the AD is specifically aimed at you exact aircraft,
ADs do not apply with the exception pointed above.
A pilot's certificate doesn't specifically cover or grant any
authority regarding maintenance on an experimental aircraft. Again, your
3-year kid can do the work. The possession of a pilot's license is not a
factor.
But on an experimental aircraft you CAN "do anything you want" - only
comply with your operating limitations, and make the required log book
entries, if any.
Message -----
From: Michael
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Ok, my understanding is that once the aircraft has an airworthiness
certificate not just ANYONE can do the work. They have to be a
certificated person signing the work, builder with his repairman
certificate, A&P or preventative maintenance which a pilot's certificate
will cover. Experimental only have relief from approved parts and Ads
but other than that your ops specs will tell you to maintain like it was
a 91 airplane with exception to: "condition being used" instead of
annual. There is a misconception that we can do "whatever we want" to
our planes but that is not the case. Small items are logbook entries
only but anything that constitutes a major change in FAR 21.93 the owner
must recomply with FAR 91.319(b) which puts the aircraft back into phase
1 flight testing. If anyone has dealings with the feds like I do on a
REGULAR bases (part 135/145) you should see a similar testament.
As far as part 43.9 here is what the FAR says:
If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
satisfactorily, the signature, certificate number, and kind of
certificate held by the person approving the work. The signature
constitutes the approval for return to service only for the work
performed.
There you have it.
Mike
RV7
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:10 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Thanks Mike,
I have downloaded a bunch of the FAR's for documentation in my
computer.
So....until I get the repairman's cert (and afterwards - except for
annuals) I can sign it off as 'builder'.
Ralph
4.7 hrs - working off a couple of minor bugs.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 17, 2009 11:43 AM
>To: rv list
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
>You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the
maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in accordance
with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition, if it is
a major alteration you must follow the procedure stated in the
aircraft's operating limitations. The repairman certificate only is
needed to conduct the yearly condition inpsection and sign it off.
Again, this is stated the the aircraft's operating limitations. If you
have any specific questions drop me a line.
>
>
>
>Mike Robertson
>
>Das Fed
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
>> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>>
>>
>> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual
and being the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>>
>> Time for more research....
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
>> >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
>> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since
you do not
>> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable
(beyond
>> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help
you out. All
>> >you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance
time,
>> >description of work performed, signature and certificate type.
If it is a
>> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
>> >
>> >Here is the FAR:
>> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs
(b) and (c)
>> >of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive
maintenance,
>> >rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller,
>> >appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the
maintenance record
>> >of that equipment containing the following information:
>> >
>> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the
Administrator) of
>> >work performed.
>> >
>> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
>> >
>> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the
person
>> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
>> >
>> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft
engine,
>> >propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
satisfactorily,
>> >the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held
by the
>> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the
approval for return
>> >to service only for the work performed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >How you format this info is up to you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >RV7 550Hrs
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>> >To: "rv-list"
>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
>> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to
put an entry
>> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my
fuel flow
>> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
>> >>
>> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time
in service"
>> >> column, "description of work performed" column, and
"agency&certificate
>> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
>> >>
>> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance
with
>> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
>> >>
>> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this
airframe.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Ralph
>> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | "Emrath" <emrath(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Door hinges |
Todd, your the winner! Marty
From: Todd & Kristen Neidinger <tsneidin(at)wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oil Door hinges
I was just shopping for these - I'll take them if you still have them.
Todd Neidinger
rv-9
Emrath wrote:
>
> Folks,
> In cleaning up my bench, I find I have two McMaster-Carr "Weldable
Concealed
> Hinges" part number 110205A35 I had intended to use for my oil door. They
> are yours for the freight to send them to you. They each have two rivet
> holes already drilled in each side of the hinge.
>
> Marty in Brentwood TN
>
>
Marty
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Campbell <johnpcampbell(at)hotmail.com> |
please take me off this mailing list. thanks=2C john campbell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Horton <khorton01(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Importing a Canadian Amateur Built aircraft into the US |
On 22-Feb-09, at 22:48 , Edwin L (Ted) French wrote:
> >
>
> It has been my understanding that a amateur built aircraft imported
> into the
> US from Canada had to have a minimum of 100 hours on it before it
> would be
> considered elegible to be brought in. I spent a good part of my
> afternoon
> trying to find something on the various web sites that might confirm
> this
> and came up with a blank.
>
> Does anyone on the list know if this is a requirement and if so,
> where I
> might find it on the web. e.g.: FAA site, etc
Ted,
I think you are thinking of the requirements to import an aircraft
built outside Canada into Canada. These requirements, defined in an
exemption to CAR 549.01, do require that the aircraft have flown 100
hours.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/applications/exemptions/docs/en/1627.htm
I have never read of a similar requirement for Canadian built aircraft
being imported to the US.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (Flying Again!)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/DOA" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil> |
Listers -
My boss has decided that we will turn some extra floor space into a . umm.
Heritage Room. yeah, that's it.
Looking for ideas & examples of social areas. gathering spots. refreshment
centers. that you've seen or built into your hangar.
I'd appreciate any photos you'd like to share.
Neal
RV-7 N8ZG (all the loose ends)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RV-6 / 6a kits for sale |
| From: | Scott Kuebler <scottam65(at)gmail.com> |
RV-6 / 6a kits for sale.
Empennage: Complete except for fiberglass tips. Includes electric elevator
trim kit. All parts are alodined and primed with Marhyde primer.
Wings & Phlogiston Spar: Both skeletons fully assembled. Top skins
riveted. Both tanks are complete and sealed. Flaps and ailerons complete,
but not fitted. Includes electric aileron trim kit. All parts are alodined
and primed with Deft epoxy primer (Mil-P-23377G).
Both kits are the pre-punched versions purchased in 1997 & 1998 by myself.
Construction is excellent. Preview plans and Orndorff videos are included
for both kits.
Detailed photos are available upon request.
Must sell. The first $3750 takes it all. Buyer arranges transportation.
If all items were purchased separately the price would be more than $6500
for the unassembled kits.
Regards,
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Buffalo, NY
716-510-0318- cell
scottam65(at)gmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen(at)dts9000.com> |
Build a bar....and they will come. lol
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of George, Neal E
Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/DOA
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:55 AM
Subject: RV-List: Hangar Decor
Listers -
My boss has decided that we will turn some extra floor space into a ...
umm... Heritage Room... yeah, that's it...
Looking for ideas & examples of social areas... gathering spots...
refreshment centers... that you've seen or built into your hangar.
I'd appreciate any photos you'd like to share.
Neal
RV-7 N8ZG (all the loose ends)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Nellis <truflite(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hangar Decor |
If you are interested, I make lamps from aircraft engine parts. Attached is a
link to a picture of a lamp I make. It is a Continental engine cylinder. Touch
the spark plug and it lights.
I also have a lamp made from a camshaft. Touch a lobe and it lights. I will send
a picture of that if you like.
Each lamp is $250.00 plus shipping
Dave Nellis
http://davidnellis.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album17&id=lamp1
--- On Mon, 2/23/09, George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/DOA
wrote:
> From: George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/DOA <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil>
> Subject: RV-List: Hangar Decor
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:55 AM
> Listers -
>
> My boss has decided that we will turn some extra floor
> space into a . umm.
> Heritage Room. yeah, that's it.
>
> Looking for ideas & examples of social areas. gathering
> spots. refreshment
> centers. that you've seen or built into your hangar.
>
> I'd appreciate any photos you'd like to share.
>
> Neal
> RV-7 N8ZG (all the loose ends)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Shemp <shempdowling(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Whelan white position light |
I found from the whelen sight it is a 1.8 amp 14v bulb, making it a 25
watt lamp. I couldnt find an automotive bulb with that wattage rating.
Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
> I tried one of these. It is much dimmer than the grossly over priced
> replacement bulb that I ended up buying anyway.
>
> Carl Froehlich
> RV-8A (450 hrs)
> RV-10 (fuselage)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neal George
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:14 PM
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Whelan white position light
>
> Shemp -
>
> This one looks remarkably similar to an automotive turn signal / marker
> light.
> It's marked:
>
> SYL
> ERC
>
> Or maybe it's
>
> SYL
> ERG
>
> The receptacle is marked: TP20 - (bulb type?)
>
> Neal
>
>
> Just wondering if anyone knows if the rear white light bulb on the whelan
> wingtip combo strobe/position light is a standard bulb or do I have to pay
> 18 bucks for the thing.
>
> tia
> Jeff Shemp Dowling
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Edwin L (Ted) French" <ted_french(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Importing a Canadian Amateur Built aircraft into the US |
Thanks for the replies folks. Seems I was getting the US and Canadian
requirements mixed up.
Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Horton
Sent: February 22, 2009 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Importing a Canadian Amateur Built aircraft into the
US
On 22-Feb-09, at 22:48 , Edwin L (Ted) French wrote:
> --> >
>
> It has been my understanding that a amateur built aircraft imported
> into the US from Canada had to have a minimum of 100 hours on it
> before it would be considered elegible to be brought in. I spent a
> good part of my afternoon trying to find something on the various web
> sites that might confirm this and came up with a blank.
>
> Does anyone on the list know if this is a requirement and if so, where
> I might find it on the web. e.g.: FAA site, etc
Ted,
I think you are thinking of the requirements to import an aircraft built
outside Canada into Canada. These requirements, defined in an exemption to
CAR 549.01, do require that the aircraft have flown 100 hours.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/applications/exemptions/docs/en/1627.htm
I have never read of a similar requirement for Canadian built aircraft being
imported to the US.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (Flying Again!)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
| From: | mr.gsun(at)gmail.com |
Dear Das Fed,
I built an RV-9 for 3 years and then bought a finished (and beautiful) RV-7
,
sold the -9 partially completed (on gear with canopy done, firewall forward
was next). Can I use my building and maintenance of my two RV experiences
(most done with my licensed A/P helper right there with me) to go towards m
y
own A&P license? I do all my own work and he still signs off the annual an
d
complements my work. Would sure like to get my own A&P license before he
retires or moves on.
Greg
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Mike Robertson wro
te:
> You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the
> maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in accordance
> with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition, if it is a
> major alteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's
> operating limitations. The repairman certificate only is needed to condu
ct
> the yearly condition inpsection and sign it off. Again, this is stated
> the the aircraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific
> questions drop me a line.
>
> Mike Robertson
> Das Fed
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
> > From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
> > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
> > I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and bei
ng
> the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
> >
> > Time for more research....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
> > >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
> > >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> > >
> > >
> > >Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do n
ot
>
> > >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
> > >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you out.
> All
> > >you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance time,
> > >description of work performed, signature and certificate type. If it i
s
> a
> > >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
> > >
> > >Here is the FAR:
> > >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) a
nd
> (c)
> > >of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive
> maintenance,
> > >rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller,
> > >appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance
> record
> > >of that equipment containing the following information:
> > >
> > >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrato
r)
> of
> > >work performed.
> > >
> > >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
> > >
> > >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the perso
n
> > >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
> > >
> > >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
> > >propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
> satisfactorily,
> > >the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the
> > >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for
> return
> > >to service only for the work performed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >How you format this info is up to you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> > >RV7 550Hrs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
> > >To: "rv-list"
> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
> > >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> > >
> > >
> recapen(at)earthlink.net>
> > >>
> > >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an
> entry
> > >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow
> > >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
> > >>
> > >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in
> service"
> > >> column, "description of work performed" column, and
> "agency&certificate
> > >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
> > >>
> > >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
> > >>
> > >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
> > >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
> > >>
> > >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Ralph
> > >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > _======================
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| From: | "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)glasair.org> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
You should check with your local FSDO.
Bruce
<http://www.Glasair.org> www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
mr.gsun(at)gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
Dear Das Fed,
I built an RV-9 for 3 years and then bought a finished (and beautiful)
RV-7,
sold the -9 partially completed (on gear with canopy done, firewall
forward
was next). Can I use my building and maintenance of my two RV
experiences
(most done with my licensed A/P helper right there with me) to go
towards my
own A&P license? I do all my own work and he still signs off the annual
and
complements my work. Would sure like to get my own A&P license before
he
retires or moves on.
Greg
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Mike Robertson
wrote:
You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the
maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in accordance
with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition, if it is
a
major alteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's
operating limitations. The repairman certificate only is needed to
conduct
the yearly condition inpsection and sign it off. Again, this is stated
the
the aircraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific
questions
drop me a line.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and
being
the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>
> Time for more research....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
> >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
> >Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do
not
> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you
out.
All
> >you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance time,
> >description of work performed, signature and certificate type. If it
is a
> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
> >
> >Here is the FAR:
> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b)
and
(c)
> >of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive
maintenance,
> >rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
propeller,
> >appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance
record
> >of that equipment containing the following information:
> >
> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the
Administrator)
of
> >work performed.
> >
> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
> >
> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the
person
> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
> >
> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
> >propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
satisfactorily,
> >the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by
the
> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for
return
> >to service only for the work performed.
> >
> >
> >
> >How you format this info is up to you.
> >
> >
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >RV7 550Hrs
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
> >To: "rv-list"
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
> >>
> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an
entry
> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel
flow
> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
> >>
> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in
service"
> >> column, "description of work performed" column, and
"agency&certificate
> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
> >>
> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
> >>
> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
> >>
> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Ralph
> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
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>
>
>
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
The key is to have all of your build logs with hours detailed, add all
those up in a spreadsheet, and ensure that the total exceeds the minimum
4800 hours for all of your airframe and powerplant work. You need that
and FAA form 8610-2 filled out. Use your spreadsheet as a continuation
sheet for your experience. It also helps to have a recommendation letter
from an A&P who is familiar with your work. You make an appt with FSDO
maintenance inspector and he will spend an hour or more ascertaining
your familiarity with maintenance, then sign off, approving you to take
the tests. There are 3 writtens, and oral and practical. Contact me off
list if you need more info.
Kelly
A&P/IA
Bruce Gray wrote:
>
> You should check with your local FSDO.
>
> Bruce
>
> www.Glasair.org <http://www.Glasair.org>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *mr.gsun(at)gmail.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:54 PM
> *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
> Dear Das Fed,
>
> I built an RV-9 for 3 years and then bought a finished (and beautiful)
> RV-7, sold the -9 partially completed (on gear with canopy done,
> firewall forward was next). Can I use my building and maintenance of
> my two RV experiences (most done with my licensed A/P helper right
> there with me) to go towards my own A&P license? I do all my own work
> and he still signs off the annual and complements my work. Would sure
> like to get my own A&P license before he retires or moves on.
>
> Greg
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Mike Robertson
> > wrote:
>
> You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the
> maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in
> accordance with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In
> addition, if it is a major alteration you must follow the procedure
> stated in the aircraft's operating limitations. The repairman
> certificate only is needed to conduct the yearly condition inpsection
> and sign it off. Again, this is stated the the aircraft's operating
> limitations. If you have any specific questions drop me a line.
>
> Mike Robertson
> Das Fed
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
> > From: recapen(at)earthlink.net <mailto:recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>
>
> > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
>
> >
> >
>
> > I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and
> being the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
> >
> > Time for more research....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net <mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>>
> > >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
> > >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > >Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do
> not
> > >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
> > >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you
> out. All
> > >you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance time,
> > >description of work performed, signature and certificate type. If it
> is a
> > >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
> > >
> > >Here is the FAR:
> > >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b)
> and (c)
> > >of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive
> maintenance,
> > >rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propeller,
> > >appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance
> record
> > >of that equipment containing the following information:
> > >
> > >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the
> Administrator) of
> > >work performed.
> > >
> > >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
> > >
> > >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person
> > >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
> > >
> > >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
> > >propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
> satisfactorily,
> > >the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held by the
> > >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval
> for return
> > >to service only for the work performed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >How you format this info is up to you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> > >RV7 550Hrs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net
> >
> > >To: "rv-list" >
> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
>
> > >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >>
> > >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to put an
> entry
> > >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow
> > >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
> > >>
> > >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time in
> service"
> > >> column, "description of work performed" column, and
> "agency&certificate
> > >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
> > >>
> > >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
> > >>
> > >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
> > >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
> > >>
>
> > >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
> > >>
>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Ralph
> > >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> >
> >
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| From: | Bobby Hester <bobbyhester(at)newwavecomm.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sample maintenance log entry |
I built an RV7A. I am now working at Ft. Campbell, KY on Blackhawk
helicopters. When I visited my FSDO with my letter from work, It was
what I needed to get my tickets, I had worked there a little over 2-1/2
yrs, which is what was required. I asked about the time I spent building
my RV7A and was told that does not count at all. But I agree with the
other message check with your local FSDO.
Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my web site:
http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/2009JanJulyFlying.htm
mr.gsun(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Dear Das Fed,
>
> I built an RV-9 for 3 years and then bought a finished (and beautiful)
> RV-7, sold the -9 partially completed (on gear with canopy done,
> firewall forward was next). Can I use my building and maintenance of
> my two RV experiences (most done with my licensed A/P helper right
> there with me) to go towards my own A&P license? I do all my own work
> and he still signs off the annual and complements my work. Would sure
> like to get my own A&P license before he retires or moves on.
>
> Greg
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Mike Robertson
> > wrote:
>
> You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the
> maintenance, or major alteration, and sign off the logbook in
> accordance with the logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In
> addition, if it is a major alteration you must follow the
> procedure stated in the aircraft's operating limitations. The
> repairman certificate only is needed to conduct the yearly
> condition inpsection and sign it off. Again, this is stated
> the the aircraft's operating limitations. If you have any
> specific questions drop me a line.
>
> Mike Robertson
> Das Fed
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
> > From: recapen(at)earthlink.net <mailto:recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>
> > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
> >
> > I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual
> and being the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
> >
> > Time for more research....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net <mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>>
> > >Sent: Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM
> > >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >Well, this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since
> you do not
> > >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable
> (beyond
> > >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help
> you out. All
> > >you need in a logbook entry is date, aircraft/engine/appliance
> time,
> > >description of work performed, signature and certificate type.
> If it is a
> > >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
> > >
> > >Here is the FAR:
> > >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in
> paragraphs (b) and (c)
> > >of this section, each person who maintains, performs preventive
> maintenance,
> > >rebuilds, or alters an aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine,
> propeller,
> > >appliance, or component part shall make an entry in the
> maintenance record
> > >of that equipment containing the following information:
> > >
> > >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the
> Administrator) of
> > >work performed.
> > >
> > >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
> > >
> > >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than
> the person
> > >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
> > >
> > >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft, airframe, aircraft
> engine,
> > >propeller, appliance, or component part has been performed
> satisfactorily,
> > >the signature, certificate number, and kind of certificate held
> by the
> > >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the
> approval for return
> > >to service only for the work performed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >How you format this info is up to you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> > >RV7 550Hrs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net
> >
> > >To: "rv-list" >
> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:39 AM
> > >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >>
> > >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly), I would like to
> put an entry
> > >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my
> fuel flow
> > >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
> > >>
> > >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column, "aircraft time
> in service"
> > >> column, "description of work performed" column, and
> "agency&certificate
> > >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
> > >>
> > >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
> > >>
> > >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in
> accordance with
> > >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
> > >>
> > >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Ralph
> > >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > _========================>
> >
> >
>
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| From: | Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
Greg=2C
Your time spent building and maintaining your amateur-built aircraft can co
unt towards your 18 or 30 month time requirement. How much will have to be
determined by the FAA inspector that will need to sign off your applicatio
n. I can tell you that you will need to also get a considerable amount of
time working on type certificated aircraft to qualify. And I can also tell
you that very little time will be able to count towards the powerplant por
tion of the rating. For that side make sure you document any time spent ch
anging cylinders and/or anything bolted to the engine as it came from the f
actory (i.e. alternators and exhaust systems are airframe compnents).
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
Date: Tue=2C 24 Feb 2009 19:53:45 -0800
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
From: mr.gsun(at)gmail.com
Dear Das Fed=2C
I built an RV-9 for 3 years and then bought a finished (and beautiful) RV-7
=2C sold the -9 partially completed (on gear with canopy done=2C firewall f
orward was next). Can I use my building and maintenance of my two RV exper
iences (most done with my licensed A/P helper right there with me) to go to
wards my own A&P license? I do all my own work and he still signs off the
annual and complements my work. Would sure like to get my own A&P license
before he retires or moves on.
Greg
On Tue=2C Feb 17=2C 2009 at 8:43 AM=2C Mike Robertson wrote:
You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the maintenanc
e=2C or major alteration=2C and sign off the logbook in accordance with the
logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition=2C if it is a major a
lteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's operating
limitations. The repairman certificate only is needed to conduct the yearl
y condition inpsection and sign it off. Again=2C this is stated the the ai
rcraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific questions drop me
a line.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
> Date: Tue=2C 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and being
the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>
> Time for more research....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
> >Sent: Feb 17=2C 2009 10:34 AM
> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
> >Well=2C this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do n
ot
> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you out. A
ll
> >you need in a logbook entry is date=2C aircraft/engine/appliance time=2C
> >description of work performed=2C signature and certificate type. If it i
s a
> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
> >
> >Here is the FAR:
> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and
(c)
> >of this section=2C each person who maintains=2C performs preventive main
tenance=2C
> >rebuilds=2C or alters an aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine=2C prop
eller=2C
> >appliance=2C or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance re
cord
> >of that equipment containing the following information:
> >
> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator)
of
> >work performed.
> >
> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
> >
> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person
> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
> >
> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine
=2C
> >propeller=2C appliance=2C or component part has been performed satisfact
orily=2C
> >the signature=2C certificate number=2C and kind of certificate held by t
he
> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for re
turn
> >to service only for the work performed.
> >
> >
> >
> >How you format this info is up to you.
> >
> >
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >RV7 550Hrs
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
> >To: "rv-list"
> >Sent: Tuesday=2C February 17=2C 2009 6:39 AM
> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
>
> >>
> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly)=2C I would like to put an e
ntry
> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow
> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
> >>
> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column=2C "aircraft time in serv
ice"
> >> column=2C "description of work performed" column=2C and "agency&certif
icate
> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
> >>
> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
> >>
> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
> >>
> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
> >>
> >> Thanks=2C
> >> Ralph
> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > _=======================
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| From: | Mike Robertson <mrobert569(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sample maintenance log entry |
Again=2C the time MAY/CAN count. Order 8900.10=2C Volume 5=2C Chapter 5=2C
paragraph 5-1135.B. clearly states that amateur-built experience may be co
nsidered. What it does not say is how much.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
Date: Wed=2C 25 Feb 2009 08:41:34 -0600
From: bobbyhester(at)newwavecomm.net
Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
I built an RV7A. I am now working at Ft. Campbell=2C KY on Blackhawk helico
pters. When I visited my FSDO with my letter from work=2C It was what I nee
ded to get my tickets=2C I had worked there a little over 2-1/2 yrs=2C whic
h is what was required. I asked about the time I spent building my RV7A and
was told that does not count at all. But I agree with the other message ch
eck with your local FSDO.
Surfing the web from Hopkinsville=2C KY
Visit my web site:
http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/2009JanJulyFlying.htm
mr.gsun(at)gmail.com wrote:
Dear Das Fed=2C
I built an RV-9 for 3 years and then bought a finished (and beautiful) RV-7
=2C sold the -9 partially completed (on gear with canopy done=2C firewall f
orward was next). Can I use my building and maintenance of my two RV exper
iences (most done with my licensed A/P helper right there with me) to go to
wards my own A&P license? I do all my own work and he still signs off the
annual and complements my work. Would sure like to get my own A&P license
before he retires or moves on.
Greg
On Tue=2C Feb 17=2C 2009 at 8:43 AM=2C Mike Robertson wrote:
You are correct. On an amateur-built aircraft ANYONE may do the maintenanc
e=2C or major alteration=2C and sign off the logbook in accordance with the
logbook entry requirements of FAR 43.9. In addition=2C if it is a major a
lteration you must follow the procedure stated in the aircraft's operating
limitations. The repairman certificate only is needed to conduct the yearl
y condition inpsection and sign it off. Again=2C this is stated the the ai
rcraft's operating limitations. If you have any specific questions drop me
a line.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
> Date: Tue=2C 17 Feb 2009 11:26:01 -0500
> From: recapen(at)earthlink.net
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
>
>
> I thought that the repairman's cert allowed me to do the annual and being
the builder allowed me to do the maintenance.
>
> Time for more research....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Michael <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
> >Sent: Feb 17=2C 2009 10:34 AM
> >To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
> >Well=2C this exercise will require a logbook sign off and since you do n
ot
> >have a repairman cert and a pilots license is not acceptable (beyond
> >preventive maintenance) then you need to find and A&P to help you out. A
ll
> >you need in a logbook entry is date=2C aircraft/engine/appliance time=2C
> >description of work performed=2C signature and certificate type. If it i
s a
> >condition inspection then the statement in part 43 applies.
> >
> >Here is the FAR:
> >(a) Maintenance record entries. Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and
(c)
> >of this section=2C each person who maintains=2C performs preventive main
tenance=2C
> >rebuilds=2C or alters an aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine=2C prop
eller=2C
> >appliance=2C or component part shall make an entry in the maintenance re
cord
> >of that equipment containing the following information:
> >
> >(1) A description (or reference to data acceptable to the Administrator)
of
> >work performed.
> >
> >(2) The date of completion of the work performed.
> >
> >(3) The name of the person performing the work if other than the person
> >specified in paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
> >
> >(4) If the work performed on the aircraft=2C airframe=2C aircraft engine
=2C
> >propeller=2C appliance=2C or component part has been performed satisfact
orily=2C
> >the signature=2C certificate number=2C and kind of certificate held by t
he
> >person approving the work. The signature constitutes the approval for re
turn
> >to service only for the work performed.
> >
> >
> >
> >How you format this info is up to you.
> >
> >
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >RV7 550Hrs
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
> >To: "rv-list"
> >Sent: Tuesday=2C February 17=2C 2009 6:39 AM
> >Subject: RV-List: Sample maintenance log entry
> >
> >
>
> >>
> >> For documentation purposes (my own mainly)=2C I would like to put an e
ntry
> >> in to my maintenance log to document the calibration of my fuel flow
> >> sensor. Is there a required / suggested format?
> >>
> >> My logbook has a "Date of completion" column=2C "aircraft time in serv
ice"
> >> column=2C "description of work performed" column=2C and "agency&certif
icate
> >> no. work performed/returned to service" column.
> >>
> >> I was thinking of something along the lines of:
> >>
> >> 07Feb2009 3.2hrs Calibrated fuel flow 'K' factor in accordance with
> >> AF-3400 user guide V5.5 dtd 30Oct2008 /signature/builder.
> >>
> >> I do not yet have the repairman's certificate for this airframe.
> >>
> >> Thanks=2C
> >> Ralph
> >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 4.7 hrs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > _=======================
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| From: | "Nate Lewis" <nlewis(at)wildblue.net> |
| Subject: | primer! yeah, I know... |
so we're trying to get a handle on the whole internal primer thing, and
we're having trouble finding the representative arguments.
it's easy to find someone who says "hey, you're what, 60? your plane will
last longer than you will no matter what you do - build on." we're a bit
younger than that, and I hope our kids will fly our RV after we're gone.
it's easy to find scores of people saying "I don't want to get into the
primer wars, but here's what I did." anecdotes are fun reading, but since
they span from "1952 beaver on floats in salt water, and I didn't die"
through "1985 C172 in the midwest and you wouldn't believe the mess I found
when I pulled the skins", the anecdotes don't really help all that much
either.
we even find stuff like the eaa1000 articles from the nineties, which seem
to say that if you're not going to set all your rivets wet, you're not
serious about corrosion control. (and, in passing, that alodining does as
much to prevent corrosion as any amount of other prep and prime can.) that
sort of sounds like the most credible argument, but I haven't seen a lot of
RV build logs talking about setting rivets wet. why not?
we also find people pointing out that common primers are porous, and hence
useless for corrosion control - primers are for paint adhesion, not
corrosion prevention. hmm.
so...I don't want to restart the primer wars either. but I'm wishing I
could find each of the canonical points of view, as well stated as they each
can be, so we could be informed and decide.
I feel like we came late to the party and missed the brawl, and now the
information is lost. It would be easy to pick somebody and follow their
lead, but something a little more rigorous seems in order...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael" <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: primer! yeah, I know... |
Build and fly........or prime, clean up, prime again the fly....depends on
you, and only you. Prime is always a good idea but practical experience
shows that good old alclad works great. Some folks do go overboard but its
there plane and what ever makes them happy is what they should do. Where the
airplane lives is a consideration too. Here in Southern California it is
pretty dry and warm most of the year. Back when Comanche's were being built
they primered all of the structure, when the Lock Haven plant turned into a
submarine factory (flooded) they were transitioning to the PA28 line and for
economical reasons they no longer primed, (might have been an option
though). How many PA28 have been scrapped because of lack of primer?? I am
sure a few but not near the numbers to make a huge dent in the choice.
Bottom line, either way has its advantages!! You are going to get a ton of
answers on this one.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nate Lewis" <nlewis(at)wildblue.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: RV-List: primer! yeah, I know...
>
> so we're trying to get a handle on the whole internal primer thing, and
> we're having trouble finding the representative arguments.
>
> it's easy to find someone who says "hey, you're what, 60? your plane will
> last longer than you will no matter what you do - build on." we're a bit
> younger than that, and I hope our kids will fly our RV after we're gone.
>
> it's easy to find scores of people saying "I don't want to get into the
> primer wars, but here's what I did." anecdotes are fun reading, but since
> they span from "1952 beaver on floats in salt water, and I didn't die"
> through "1985 C172 in the midwest and you wouldn't believe the mess I
> found when I pulled the skins", the anecdotes don't really help all that
> much either.
>
> we even find stuff like the eaa1000 articles from the nineties, which seem
> to say that if you're not going to set all your rivets wet, you're not
> serious about corrosion control. (and, in passing, that alodining does as
> much to prevent corrosion as any amount of other prep and prime can.)
> that sort of sounds like the most credible argument, but I haven't seen a
> lot of RV build logs talking about setting rivets wet. why not?
>
> we also find people pointing out that common primers are porous, and hence
> useless for corrosion control - primers are for paint adhesion, not
> corrosion prevention. hmm.
>
> so...I don't want to restart the primer wars either. but I'm wishing I
> could find each of the canonical points of view, as well stated as they
> each can be, so we could be informed and decide.
>
> I feel like we came late to the party and missed the brawl, and now the
> information is lost. It would be easy to pick somebody and follow their
> lead, but something a little more rigorous seems in order...
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: primer! yeah, I know... |
| From: | Steven Reynard <sreynard13(at)gmail.com> |
"anecdotes are fun reading, but" . . . .
"something a little more rigorous seems in order..."
OK Nate, here's what you can do. Build 100 airplanes and place 10 each
strategically all around the world. Do a complete disassembly and
inspection by a team of qualified mechanics, engineers, and metallurgists in
at least three different certified laboratories, every year for 100 years.
When done, they can write a rigorous report for you. Some people will
disagree that there is a lot of opportunity to make it more rigorous, but it
should get you started. . . .
Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself. . . . :(
If you just want another anecdote, find a A&P IA whoes opinion you can trust
and see what they have to say.
Or you could write to Boeing and see if they have any reports? Maybe you
could see if they have a corrosion expert you can talk to?
With all the thousands of posts going back and forth on the issue all over
the internet, that you have already discarded, its not clear why you are
asking for more?!?
I'll ask you a question in return, just for you to think about. Will you be
able to sleep at night if you build an airplane with less effort, labor, and
skill than you can reasonably accomplish and ride in it with a loved one?
My opinion? Do the best you can do and move on.
Steve
Santa Rosa
RV-7 Empennage, left elevator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tim Bryan" <n616tb(at)btsapps.com> |
| Subject: | primer! yeah, I know... |
Or you can do what I did. Write down the different primers that others have
used then determine what you will use based on which one you can easily find
in your town, one that offers ease of use for you, then use that one on your
airplane. The end result will be, "Yes you primed all the parts internally"
and quite honestly it won't matter much beyond that. I ended up even
changing three times to different primers because of different reasons. One
became no longer available nearby and another kept plugging up the nozzles
and wasting half of every can. My plane parts are all primed and I couldn't
tell you which brand is in which part. I have no worries about longevity or
any other issue.
Good luck and happy building.
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 120 hours now
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Reynard
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: primer! yeah, I know...
"anecdotes are fun reading, but" . . . .
"something a little more rigorous seems in order..."
OK Nate, here's what you can do. Build 100 airplanes and place 10 each
strategically all around the world. Do a complete disassembly and
inspection by a team of qualified mechanics, engineers, and metallurgists in
at least three different certified laboratories, every year for 100 years.
When done, they can write a rigorous report for you. Some people will
disagree that there is a lot of opportunity to make it more rigorous, but it
should get you started. . . .
Sorry, sometimes I can't help myself. . . . :(
If you just want another anecdote, find a A&P IA whoes opinion you can trust
and see what they have to say.
Or you could write to Boeing and see if they have any reports? Maybe you
could see if they have a corrosion expert you can talk to?
With all the thousands of posts going back and forth on the issue all over
the internet, that you have already discarded, its not clear why you are
asking for more?!?
I'll ask you a question in return, just for you to think about. Will you be
able to sleep at night if you build an airplane with less effort, labor, and
skill than you can reasonably accomplish and ride in it with a loved one?
My opinion? Do the best you can do and move on.
Steve
Santa Rosa
RV-7 Empennage, left elevator
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Additional TSA encroachment on GA beyond LASP |
| From: | Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com> |
Fellow flyers:
TSA is pushing the LASP regulation through and at the same time
pushing a regulation through that doesn't have a public comment period
because it is masked by National Security. Rumor has it that the no
comment one is talking about badge access to all areas of any airport
that has air carrier serivce. The Bages will cost $200 per airport
and will be specific to each airport.
I decided to put comments in for the TSA proposal that they are
accepting comments for. It didn't take long. I believe it is one way
that we can stem additional erosion of our flying freedom. The the
LASP fails then the more draconian proposal shrouded in secrecy will
have no chance. Friday is the last day to comment. If you'd like to
do the same EAA will guide you through the process:
http://eaa.org/govt/tsa.asp#Comment
If you're lost for words Here is what I wrote:
The proposed security regulation attempts to make
cost benefit comparisons and show that the cost associated with the
regulations are clearly worth the benefits of avoiding a potential
terrorist attack. The reader is lead to conclude that no further
analysis is necessary. The analysis does not take into account the
value of the freedom of the American people and demonstrated
acceptance of risk by the American people. The continual erosion of
our way of life in the name of security is unacceptable.
Risk is associated with everything a human does.
In 2007 37,248 people perished in car accidents in the US. In the same
time period, exactly zero died in general aviation related terror
incidents. The greatest loss of life associated with the scenarios in
the analysis was 3000 from a September 11 type attack. Despite the
most horrific scenario that a general aviation security breach could
lead to the benefit would only be avoiding 1/10th that of what we
willingly accept every year on the roadways. If that the doomsday
event happens once every 10 years we are now proposing new
limitations on the freedom of the public for 1/100th of the accepted
risk associated driving a car. This risk we are trying to prevent
is only imagined and not demonstrated the way auto accident risk and
risk acceptance is demonstrated year after year. The public is not
crying out for auto accident risk mitigation nor should they. This
proposal falls in the same category: long odds against relatively
minor risks.
The analysis may seem to stand muster against the
limited scope of risk associated with general aviation but when
compared with risks that the American people accept on a daily basis
the reality is that general aviation does not pose a significant risk.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Mark Landoll starter bracket |
Hi gang,
The bracket that holds the Mark Landoll Datson starter broke this
week, and Mark has none in stock nor does he plan to make any soon.
Does anyone have this bracket to sell ? I figure that some of you who
have changed over to the skytech or B & C may have this item.
Thanks
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Slick Start Module |
Anyone using the Slick Start module on their Lycoming? A pirep would be most appreciated...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
Finishing Wiring
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave Saylor" <Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com> |
| Subject: | Slick Start Module |
Works very well with a single retard-point mag and no impulse couplings. Be
sure to only start on the retard point, not on the single-point mag.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:00 AM
Subject: RV-List: Slick Start Module
Anyone using the Slick Start module on their Lycoming? A pirep would be
most appreciated...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
Finishing Wiring
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: wiring question |
bert murillo wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> In checking my wiring, now that I am istalling the second radio, I
> found that a couple of the real small wires, of the trim tab, I think
> they
> are 24/26 if I remember corectly, are almost completely broken...that
> is why I had problem with the triming...the only thing I can think of
> is
> when one, remove the tie wraps, I think because the small size, the
> cutting pliers, nick the wires...
>
> The question is , I have to now splice, these two wires, add a longer
> piece, etc..what is the best thing to do this delicate task..
> solder a piece,,can I use a little larger gauge? I guess the answer
> is not...then to crimp these rascals,, I need all the suggestions
> from all experts....how I am going to strip this things...and all
> that, under the inst. panel.
>
> Your comments and suggestions will be appreciated.
>
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
Hi Bert,
If the wires are behind the instrument panel & won't be required to flex
in use, you can splice in a size that's as large or larger & it will be
fine. Either solder or crimp will work fine, as long as the wires are
supported on both sides of the splice so they don't try to flex the
joint. Stripping is just 'technique'. Find some small gauge scrap &
practice with your strippers. If your strippers don't strip wire that
small, practice with a sharp knife, cutting part way through the
insulation all the way around & then flexing the wire at the cut &
pulling on the insulation to remove it.
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: wiring question |
Scott-
All you have stated is correct, particularly with regard to the reliability
of crimping vs soldering on all wires, but there is also a significant
difference between 7 strand and 19 strand layup when it comes to needing to use
lots of fine wires. This usually only happens when running lots of I/Os inside
avionics boxes but 19 strand is far more resistant to breakage than is 7
strand and should be encouraged when using 24AWG wires and smaller.
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 912hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
In a message dated 3/1/2009 2:57:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com writes:
After soldering 26~28 gage wires you just touch them they break. We have a
connector at work with 28g and soldered! We tried to rework it and the wires
broke off about the 3rd time they were moved, it was scrapped. I can get you
all the mil spec numbers if it will help and the part number of the new wire
if you want it. Although the new wire must have silver in the solder. Oh and
in the aviation defense contractor industry, crimping is the way to go.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 Rear Quad (was: Slick Start Module) |
Hi Dave,
Thanks for the feedback on the Slick Start.
I was browsing around your web site, www.aircraftersllc.com and found an RV-8 project you guys are working on:
http://www.aircraftersllc.com/projects/rv8_030114/index.htm
What caught my eye is specifically this picture:
http://www.aircraftersllc.com/projects/rv8_030114/inside.jpg
You guys did a really nice job getting rear throttle quad mounting. I notice,
though, that you've got a 2-way instead of the 3-way which I'm sure is due to
the limited space right there. I've been in a quandary on what to do there as
well as I would really like to have all three.
But here's my question. Since there's only room for two controls on the rear quad,
wouldn't it be better to have Throttle and *Prop* instead of Mixture? I'm
guessing maybe you picked that because that's the only other quad configuration
option Van's has, but I thought I'd ask.
I wonder who the manufacture of those quads are? Maybe we could get a special
Throttle/Prop version?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
At 11:53 AM 3/1/2009 Sunday, you wrote:
>
>Works very well with a single retard-point mag and no impulse couplings. Be
>sure to only start on the retard point, not on the single-point mag.
>
>Dave Saylor
>AirCrafters LLC
>140 Aviation Way
>Watsonville, CA
>831-722-9141
>831-750-0284 CL
>www.AirCraftersLLC.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
>Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:00 AM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Slick Start Module
>
>
>Anyone using the Slick Start module on their Lycoming? A pirep would be
>most appreciated...
>
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880
>Finishing Wiring
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| Subject: | Re: wiring question |
| From: | "Sully" <mr.sully(at)tx.rr.com> |
Bert,
Strip the ends long and fold them back double and then crimp D sub machined pins
and sockets with a good quality indent crimper then cover with heat shrink
--------
Sully
RV-7 In-work
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232698#232698
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Vanremog(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: wiring question |
Everything you wanted to know about mmil-spec contacts and were afraid to
ask.
Find someone with a M22520/2-01 Blue colored Daniels Crimper for MIL-C-39029
contacts. The correct positioner is helpful but not essential. The SubD
connectors are covered under MIL-C-24308 and use a particular M39029 slash
sheet and BIN contact that can be located by going to the Daniels website
_http://www.dmctools.com/store/browser.asp_
(http://www.dmctools.com/store/browser.asp)
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 912hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
In a message dated 3/1/2009 7:18:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mr.sully(at)tx.rr.com writes:
Strip the ends long and fold them back double and then crimp D sub machined
pins and sockets with a good quality indent crimper then cover with heat
shrink
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| From: | Charles Rowbotham <crowbotham(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Slick Start Module |
Hi Matt=2C
We installed the Slick Start on our IO-360 (200hp) with a single gel cel ba
ttery behind the rear bagage compartment. I felt that the slick start contr
ibuted to a quick atart even if the engine was hot (using the hot start pro
cedure). Always got a start. I would install another on my next RV.
Chuck Rowbotham
RV-8A (sold)
> Date: Sun=2C 1 Mar 2009 09:59:33 -0800
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> From: dralle(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Slick Start Module
>
>
>
> Anyone using the Slick Start module on their Lycoming? A pirep would be m
ost appreciated...
>
> Matt Dralle
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| From: | scott bilinski <rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: wiring question |
Just an FYI
The wire the aircraft defense industry uses is M22759-44-gage-color or M22759-32-gage-color
with the -44 being the better of the two. The solder used with this
wire needs to be 1.5% silver I beleive, such as Kester 48. This wire is much
stronger than standard wire of the same gage and can carry more amperage. We
are switching over to this wire now at work and can save a fair amount of weight
per aircraft.
Scott
RV-8a
--- On Sun, 3/1/09, Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote:
> From: Vanremog(at)aol.com <Vanremog(at)aol.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: wiring question
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 5:00 PM
> Scott-
>
> All you have stated is correct, particularly with regard to
> the reliability
> of crimping vs soldering on all wires, but there is also a
> significant
> difference between 7 strand and 19 strand layup when it
> comes to needing to use
> lots of fine wires. This usually only happens when
> running lots of I/Os inside
> avionics boxes but 19 strand is far more resistant to
> breakage than is 7
> strand and should be encouraged when using 24AWG wires and
> smaller.
>
>
> N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 912hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon
> Valley)
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/1/2009 2:57:08 P.M. Pacific Standard
> Time,
> rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com writes:
>
> After soldering 26~28 gage wires you just touch them they
> break. We have a
> connector at work with 28g and soldered! We tried to
> rework it and the wires
> broke off about the 3rd time they were moved, it was
> scrapped. I can get you
> all the mil spec numbers if it will help and the part
> number of the new wire
> if you want it. Although the new wire must have silver in
> the solder. Oh and
> in the aviation defense contractor industry, crimping is
> the way to go.
>
>
>
>
> **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax
> professional in your
> neighborhood today.
> (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "J. Mcculley" <mcculleyja(at)starpower.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick Start Module |
I've also used the Slick Start on my Lycoming O-360 for five plus years
and near 600 hours with a 17 AH RG battery, many "hot" starts, a Skytec
PM starter and B&C SD-8 PM alternator. I've never experienced better
overall performance and the elimination of an impulse magneto feature is
a very positive benefit.
Jim McCulley
Wittman Tailwind
==========================================================================================
Charles Rowbotham wrote:
> Hi Matt,
>
> We installed the Slick Start on our IO-360 (200hp) with a single gel cel
> battery behind the rear bagage compartment. I felt that the slick start
> contributed to a quick atart even if the engine was hot (using the hot
> start procedure). Always got a start. I would install another on my next RV.
>
> Chuck Rowbotham
> RV-8A (sold)
>
> > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:59:33 -0800
> > To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> > From: dralle(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RV-List: Slick Start Module
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone using the Slick Start module on their Lycoming? A pirep would
> be most appreciated...
> >
> > Matt Dralle ((SNIP))
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| From: | "Chuck Weyant" <chuck(at)chuckdirect.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slick Start Module |
Anyone got anything GOOD to say about a single impulse Slick mags for a
IO540? That's what I'm going to be running.
Chuck
> I've also used the Slick Start on my Lycoming O-360 for five plus years
> and near 600 hours with a 17 AH RG battery, many "hot" starts, a Skytec PM
> starter and B&C SD-8 PM alternator. I've never experienced better overall
> performance and the elimination of an impulse magneto feature is a very
> positive benefit.
>
> Jim McCulley
> Wittman Tailwind
> ==========================================================================================
>
> Charles Rowbotham wrote:
>> Hi Matt,
>> We installed the Slick Start on our IO-360 (200hp) with a single gel cel
>> battery behind the rear bagage compartment. I felt that the slick start
>> contributed to a quick atart even if the engine was hot (using the hot
>> start procedure). Always got a start. I would install another on my next
>> RV.
>>
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| From: | Jerry2DT(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | RE:Slick Start Module |
I've had 3 RV's all with O-360. The one with SlickStart fires instantly, far
better than the others. I usually give it one stroke of throttle, no primer
and she fires immediately in all kind of weather, engine temp hot or cold.
Highly recommend same.
Jerry
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| From: | John Bright <john_s_bright(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: wiring question |
This is from AS22759 which may be the latest designation of this specificat
ion but it has no advice on selection:=0A=0ASAE-AS22759/32, WIRE, ELECTRICA
L, FLUOROPOLYMER-INSULATED,=0ACROSSLINKED MODIFIED ETFE, LIGHTWEIGHT, TIN-C
OATED COPPER, 150 =B0C,=0A600-VOLT.=0A=0ASAE-AS22759/44, WIRE, ELECTRICAL,
FLUOROPOLYMER-INSULATED,=0ACROSSLINKED MODIFIED ETFE, LIGHTWEIGHT, SILVER-C
OATED COPPER,=0A200 =B0C, 600-VOLT.=0A=0AI looked up the melting pints of t
in and silver... 232 and 962 C respectively.=0A=0AThere are designators fro
m AS22759/1 to AS22795/92.=0A=0AI haven't done looked but I imagine AeroEle
ctric Connection has advice.=0A=0A Thanks,=0A=0A=0AJohn Bright=0Ao:757-864-
2305=0Ah:757-874-0861=0Ac:757-812-1909=0Ahttp://www.facebook.com/people/Joh
n_Bright/1450601073=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
scott bilinski =0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Mon
day, March 2, 2009 9:31:19 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: wiring question=0A=0A
Just an FYI=0A=0AThe wire the aircraft defense industry uses is M22759-44-g
age-color or M22759-32-gage-color with the -44 being the better of the two.
The solder used with this wire needs to be 1.5% silver I beleive, such as
Kester 48. This wire is much stronger than standard wire of the same gage a
nd can carry more amperage. We are switching over to this wire now at work
and can save a fair amount of weight per aircraft.=0A=0AScott=0ARV-8a=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A--- On Sun, 3/1/09, Vanremog(at)aol.com wrote:
=0A=0A> From: Vanremog(at)aol.com <Vanremog(at)aol.com>=0A> Subject: Re: RV-List:
wiring question=0A> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com=0A> Date: Sunday, March 1, 2
009, 5:00 PM=0A> Scott-=0A> =0A> All you have stated is correct, particula
rly with regard to=0A> the reliability =0A> of crimping vs soldering on al
l wires, but there is also a =0A> significant =0A> difference between 7 str
and and 19 strand layup when it=0A> comes to needing to use =0A> lots of f
ine wires. This usually only happens when=0A> running lots of I/Os inside
=0A> avionics boxes but 19 strand is far more resistant to=0A> breakage t
han is 7 =0A> strand and should be encouraged when using 24AWG wires and
=0A> smaller.=0A> =0A> =0A> N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 912hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, S
ilicon =0A> Valley)=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> In a message dated 3/1/2009 2:57:0
8 P.M. Pacific Standard=0A> Time, =0A> rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com writes:=0A> =0A>
After soldering 26~28 gage wires you just touch them they=0A> break. We h
ave a =0A> connector at work with 28g and soldered! We tried to=0A> rework
it and the wires =0A> broke off about the 3rd time they were moved, it wa
s=0A> scrapped. I can get you =0A> all the mil spec numbers if it will hel
p and the part=0A> number of the new wire =0A> if you want it. Although th
e new wire must have silver in=0A> the solder. Oh and =0A> in the aviation
defense contractor industry, crimping is=0A> the way to go. =0A> =0A> =0A
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark Landoll starter bracket |
Louis Willig wrote:
>
> Hi gang,
>
> The bracket that holds the Mark Landoll Datson starter broke this
> week, and Mark has none in stock nor does he plan to make any soon.
> Does anyone have this bracket to sell ? I figure that some of you who
> have changed over to the skytech or B & C may have this item.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Louis I Willig
> 1640 Oakwood Dr.
> Penn Valley, PA 19072
> 610 668-4964
> RV-4, N180PF
> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop
Can you find a welder to repair it? If it's not repairable, here's a
link to plans for making your own. (I have no personal experience with
this; I just stumbled upon the link a while back.)
http://abianconi.hypermart.net/Starter-Adapter.html
Charlie
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| From: | Danny <vft(at)aol.com> |
N14ZM is for sale. Contact me off list for details.
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
407-687-3126
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| From: | Louis Willig <larywil(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mark Landoll starter bracket |
At 06:30 PM 3/2/2009, you wrote:
>
>Louis Willig wrote:
>>
>>Hi gang,
>>
>>The bracket that holds the Mark Landoll Datson starter broke this
>>week, and Mark has none in stock nor does he plan to make any soon.
>>Does anyone have this bracket to sell ? I figure that some of you
>>who have changed over to the skytech or B & C may have this item.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Louis I Willig
>>610 668-4964
>>RV-4, N180PF
>
>a link to plans for making your own. (I have no personal experience
>with this; I just stumbled upon the link a while back.)>
Charlie England
Mark Landoll did, in fact, suggest that I weld the bracket back
together. The break is across an area that would require a precision
alignment. I'd rather get a replacement. HOWEVER, I'll just have to
jig it up as best as possible and bring it to TIG man. If it breaks
again, I'll get a Skytech.
Funny, every time I think I'm spending too much on my sweetheart RV,
I think of the days that I had a boat, or my ex-wife.
Thanks for your reply. I'll let you know what happens.
Louis
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| From: | windsaloft(at)rmisp.com |
| Subject: | Please change my email address |
This windsaloft(at)rmisp.com account has been unreliable.
Please change your files to read
twatson(at)farallones.org (my work email) or
svdelphinus(at)gmail.com (my home email)
or both.
Thanks!
Terri
208-569-1108 cell
307-332-9233 land
call if you have questions!
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| From: | "Peter Laurence" <dr.laurence(at)mbdi.org> |
| Subject: | RE:Builder's Insurance |
Can anyone point to a company for builder's insurance?
Peter
RV9A
Fuse
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| Subject: | Re: RE:Builder's Insurance |
| From: | eddyfernan(at)aol.com |
Peter,
I used Sky Smith Insurance for builders ins. and then changed over to liability
ins. with them also.
www.skysmith.com
Eddy Fernandez
RV9A
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Laurence <dr.laurence(at)mbdi.org>
Sent: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:23 am
Subject: RV-List: RE:Builder's Insurance
Can anyone point to a company for builder's insurance?
Peter
RV9A
Fuse
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| Subject: | RE:Builder's Insurance |
| From: | "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/DOA" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil> |
Angie Harris, Cannon Aviation in Phoenix
www.cannonaviation.com
Neal
RV-7 N8ZG
All the loose ends...
=================
Can anyone point to a company for builder's insurance?
Peter
RV9A
Fuse
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| From: | "Richard Dudley" <rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE:Builder's Insurance |
Peter,
Try Falcon, the EAA's sponsored broker. Their rates for liability and hull
coverage are good for flying aircraft.
Richard Dudley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Laurence" <dr.laurence(at)mbdi.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: RV-List: RE:Builder's Insurance
>
> Can anyone point to a company for builder's insurance?
>
>
> Peter
> RV9A
> Fuse
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Builder's Insurance |
Thanks to all those who replied
Eddy, Ill call you Saturday.
Peter
--------
Peter Laurence
RV9A Fuse
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232964#232964
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| From: | Marty Helller <marty_away(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RE:Builder's Insurance |
You also might want to check if your home owner's policy would cover it. M
ine did and I switched from a 'named brand' aviation insurer.
The main reason was that the aviation insurer insisted I move my kit out of
the way of any predicted hurricane. They won't acknowledge that it would
require me to rent a trailer=2C load it all up=2C drive to a location outsi
de potential path=2C sit it out (or leave unattended) and return.
Oh=2C and even with the plus up in home owner premiums=2C it still saved me
about half.
Of course the deal is off once I need to move the kit/airplane.
Marty
RV-7 wingless glider (working on firewall forward)
> From: rhdudley1(at)bellsouth.net
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RE:Builder's Insurance
> Date: Tue=2C 3 Mar 2009 11:42:16 -0500
>
>
> Peter=2C
>
> Try Falcon=2C the EAA's sponsored broker. Their rates for liability and h
ull
> coverage are good for flying aircraft.
>
> Richard Dudley
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Laurence" <dr.laurence(at)mbdi.org>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday=2C March 03=2C 2009 11:23 AM
> Subject: RV-List: RE:Builder's Insurance
>
>
> >
> > Can anyone point to a company for builder's insurance?
> >
> >
> > Peter
> > RV9A
> > Fuse
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Larry Mersek" <1rv6flyer(at)internet49.com> |
| Subject: | Calaveras Airport Fly-In & Open House |
Hello RVators,
The annual Calaveras Air Fair is coming up Saturday April 25. We had
about 35 RV's flying in last year and would like to see a great turn out
again this year so mark you calendar! See event info below.
--Larry Mersek N336RV
Calaveras County Airport
Calaveras Air Fair 2009
Apr. 25-San Andreas, CA. Calaveras County Airport (KCPU)-Fly-In & Open
House 8am-5pm.
Aircraft static displays, Local non-profit food vendors, Classic car and
Military vehicle displays,
$5 scenic airplane rides, Radio control airplane display, and more!
Kathy Zancanella: kz(at)mlode.com or Larry Mersek:
1rv6flyer(at)internet49.com
Airport Info: (209) 736-2501
http://www.co.calaveras.ca.us/departments/admin/airport.asp
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| From: | Sam Buchanan <sbuc(at)hiwaay.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE:Builder's Insurance |
Marty Helller wrote:
> You also might want to check if your home owner's policy would cover
> it. Mine did and I switched from a 'named brand' aviation insurer.
Interesting. Every time this subject has come up in the past (a bunch of
times in the last decade or so I've been watching) it has been stated
that homeowners insurers would not get near *anything* associated with
aviation.
Would you mind sharing how your project is listed on your homeowners
coverage?
Sam Buchanan
January 30, 2009 - March 03, 2009
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