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use them for final trimming without screwing up the part. Thanks! -Jim 40384 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 06, 2007
From: Dave Lammers <davelammers(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Final Trimming of the Wingtip Lenses
Bench sander first followed by file. Dave Lammers finishing James Hein wrote: > > Hey all, > I'm tryting to do the final trimming of the wingtip lenses to fit > into the wingtips, and I want to know: > > What tools did you use to do it? File? Sanding? Razor blade? Other? > > For rough trimming, I just used the tin snips, but it would be > difficult to use them for final trimming without screwing up the part. > > Thanks! > -Jim 40384 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Text inserted by Panda Platinum 2005 Internet Security: > > This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited > mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: > http://127.0.0.1:6083/Panda?ID=pav_49238&SPAM=true > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 06, 2007
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Re: Final Trimming of the Wingtip Lenses
James: I used a belt sander also. Just take your time with it. Go slow. Fred Williams 40515 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Final Trimming of the Wingtip Lenses
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Jul 07, 2007
I used a vixen file for the final work. Michael #40511 -------- RV-10 builder (wings) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122607#122607 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2007
From: "Stephen Blank" <sblankdds(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Tail cone question
On page 10-4, I just trimmed the F1010A angle support to fit the F1010 bulkhead. It does not fit between the tabs at the top of the F1010 bulkhead when positioned 1/8 above as in the figure? It is way off, i keep measuring, all dimensions appear corrrect. Has anyone else noticed this? I plan to just trim more (about 0.25" off the angled portion until it seats passively. The other option would be to fasten it to the aft side with NO tirmming? Will that mess other things up? Thanks for any input. - Steve RV-10 #40499 -- Stephen G. Blank, DDS 184 NW Central Park Plaza Port St. Lucie, FL 34986 772-475-5556 >>> Cell ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rvmail(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Tail cone question
Date: Jul 07, 2007
Please keep us informed as to what you find. I'm a little behind you in construction. I probably won't get to this until mid August based on vacation schedule and the abundance of "honey do" items. :^( From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blank Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: RV10-List: Tail cone question On page 10-4, I just trimmed the F1010A angle support to fit the F1010 bulkhead. It does not fit between the tabs at the top of the F1010 bulkhead when positioned 1/8 above as in the figure? It is way off, i keep measuring, all dimensions appear corrrect. Has anyone else noticed this? I plan to just trim more (about 0.25" off the angled portion until it seats passively. The other option would be to fasten it to the aft side with NO tirmming? Will that mess other things up? Thanks for any input. - Steve RV-10 #40499 -- Stephen G. Blank, DDS 184 NW Central Park Plaza Port St. Lucie, FL 34986 772-475-5556 >>> Cell __________ NOD32 2383 (20070706) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Dynon OAT Probe
Date: Jul 07, 2007
My Dynon 180 always shows -45F or -46F degrees AOT. I ordered another OAT probe but it reads the same. This is the OAT probe with the black band that connects into the remote compass box. Can't find anything wrong with the wiring and the probe is configured as choice 2 in the setup menu just like Dynon says. Anyone else been down this road? Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2007
From: "Jim Beyer" <fehdxl(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tail cone question
Stephen, I'll start out by saying I think I built the F-1010A wrong the first time as I ground the angle the wrong way. The area that is removed includes a triangular section of one of the sides of the angle, as well as all of the other side of the angle. See if this makes sense, when F-1010A is oriented correctly, the horizontal piece of the angle will measure 10-3/4" at the forward edge reducing down to 10-7/16 (10-3/4 minus 5/32 minus another 5/32) at the aft edge. The aft edge is also where the vertical piece of the angle is joined with the horizontal piece. The vertical piece of the angle (and the part that gets matched drilled with F-1010) will measure 10-7/16 x 1" in a straight 90* rectangle. You will definitely want to make this part correct as all four of four bolts that hold the forward part of the horizontal stabilizer to the fuselage go through F-1010A. Too small will likely lead into edge distance problems down the road. Take a peek at page 10-10 figure 3 so see how the angle is required to fit in between the fuselage stringers (F1032L/R) and that F-1010B then sits on top of F1010A so that later down the road six bolts will hold all of this together and keep the horizontal stabilizer firmly attached. I hope this helps. -Jim 40603 On 7/7/07, Stephen Blank wrote: > > On page 10-4, I just trimmed the F1010A angle support to fit the F1010 > bulkhead. It does not fit between the tabs at the top of the F1010 bulkhead > when positioned 1/8 above as in the figure? It is way off, i keep measuring, > all dimensions appear corrrect. Has anyone else noticed this? I plan to > just trim more (about 0.25" off the angled portion until it seats > passively. The other option would be to fasten it to the aft side with NO > tirmming? Will that mess other things up? Thanks for any input. - Steve > > > RV-10 #40499 > -- > Stephen G. Blank, DDS > 184 NW Central Park Plaza > Port St. Lucie, FL 34986 > > 772-475-5556 >>> Cell > > * > > > * > > -- o=\o ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vernon Smith <planesmith(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Tail cone question
Date: Jul 07, 2007
Stephen, In step 1 on page 10-4 it calls for an angle to be cut in each end of F1010 A. Double check the top drawing on step one; this may be the cause. As far as mounting it on the aft side, look forward to page 10-10 and you can see how it fits the tailcone. Vern Smith (#324 fuselage) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 14:01:56 -0400From: sblankdds(at)gmail.comTo: rv10-list@ matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: Tail cone question On page 10-4, I just trimmed the F1010A angle support to fit the F1010 bul khead. It does not fit between the tabs at the top of the F1010 bulkhead wh en positioned 1/8 above as in the figure? It is way off, i keep measuring, all dimensions appear corrrect. Has anyone else noticed this? I plan to ju st trim more (about 0.25" off the angled portion until it seats passively. The other option would be to fasten it to the aft side with NO tirmming? W ill that mess other things up? Thanks for any input. - Steve RV-10 #40499 --Stephen G. Blank, DDS184 NW Central Park PlazaPort St. Lucie, FL 3498677 2-475-5556 >>> Cell _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine=92s 2007 editors=92 choice for best web mail=97award-winning Wi ndows Live Hotmail. ration_HMWL_mini_pcmag_0707 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ddddsp1(at)juno.com" <ddddsp1(at)juno.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2007
Subject: Re: Dynon OAT Probe
Albert, I believe you may have it wired wrong. Look at how you wired the resis tor in line............Read the wiring instructions closely.........call Eric at Dynon...........he will walk you through it. DEAN _____________________________________________________________ Click here to find singles for dating, romance and fun http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://tagline.untd.us/fc/Ioyw6iif6J0ZaI9 GMzulnSwhBxsPqRSBmGruyETgHSpjp4mzV3F9gw/
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I believe you may have it wired wrong. Look at how you wi red the resistor in line............Read the wiring instructions closely .........call Eric at Dynon...........he will walk you through it.

DEAN

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Date: Jul 08, 2007
From: "Stephen Blank" <sblankdds(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tail cone question
Ok, my goof reading 2D views. I got the angled cut made, but did NOT cut the face that mates to the bulkhead. I ended up with the top at the lenght in the diagram, and then cut the sides to fit. It seems that another view of the part would have helped me get the idea faster.... thanks for all teh input. - Steve. Stephen Blank wrote: > On page 10-4, I just trimmed the F1010A angle support to fit the F1010 > bulkhead -- Stephen G. Blank, DDS RV-10 #40499 184 NW Central Park Plaza Port St. Lucie, FL 34986 772-475-5556 >>> Cell ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: prop governor changes
Date: Jul 08, 2007
Anyone have a detailed description of the change to the MT governor; I seem to recall that it can not be used as delivered. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: prop governor changes
Date: Jul 08, 2007
Its just a matter of loosening the ring of screws and rotating the center assembly to get full movement from the control cable. No screws need to be removed, just loosened. Wait til you get your peak rpm set before safety-wiring it back in place. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc jesse(at)saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Leather interior kit for the RV-10 - www.saintaviation.com/interior -----Original Message----- From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net> Sent: 7/8/2007 3:17 PM Subject: RV10-List: prop governor changes Anyone have a detailed description of the change to the MT governor; I seem to recall that it can not be used as delivered. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2007
From: Rick <ricksked(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: prop governor changes
David, Here is the respone I got from MT: All P-860-( ) governors are basically the same. The - ( ) number only refers to the control arm position and the max. rpm of the governor. To change the control arm, loosen the 6 screws, turn the entire center portion to the desired position, tighten the 6 screws and safety. To change max rpm the set screw on the high rpm stop is turned counterclockwise (out) to increase rpm and clockwise (in) to decrease rpm. If there is not enough adjustment possible ( 1 turn = 25 rpm) the control arm must be reset on the spline one notch at the time. All this can be done on the plane. To have MT Propeller USA, Inc. modify the governor max. rpm would cost approx. $100.00, unfortunately the control arm position must be adjusted on the plane Best Regards, Juergen Zahner mt-propeller USA, Inc. ph: 386-736-7762 fax:386-736-7696 Juergen.Zahner@mt-propellerusa.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fuse penetrations at wing root
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>
Hi all, I'm about to finalise my wiring between the wings and panel. I have opted for qick disconnects at the wing root and plan separate molex connectors for the DC wiring and strobes, BNC bulkhead connectors for the Nav and MB antennas and bulkhead connector for the pitot. The plans suggest that a single hole be enlarged to accommodate the wiring to the wing. Before I make swiss cheese of the fuse (ie 5 holes per side), would appreciate feedback on what others have done and whether Vans has limitations on the number, size and location of these holes. cheers, Ron first power to the panel and smoke stayed in the wire!! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fuse penetrations at wing root
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com>
That is exactly like I did. About 4 - 6 inches behind the spare I have a hole drilled for a 14 pin CPC connector for general wires, then I have a 4 pin CPC for the Strobe Wire (Ensure to connect the shield to one of the pins) and then I have the bulkhead BNC for my NAV/GS Antenna. My Marker Beacon Ant is in the Tail cone. Here is how I pinned out my CPC 14 connectors in each wing. Pin Left Wing Disconnect Right Wing Disconnect ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- 1 Taxi Light Power Landing Light Power 2 Nav Light Power Nav Light Power 3 Pitot Heat Power N/C 4 N/C N/C 5 N/C N/C 6 N/C N/C 7 N/C N/C 8 N/C Autopilot Roll Servo - DB9 Pin 9 - Gnd 9 N/C Autopilot Roll Servo - DB9 Pin 1 - Power 10 Ailron Trim Motor Autopilot Roll Servo - DB9 Pin 2 11 Ailron Trim Motor Autopilot Roll Servo - DB9 Pin 3 12 Ailron Trim Blue Wire Autopilot Roll Servo - DB9 Pin 4 13 Ailron Trim Orange Wire Autopilot Roll Servo - DB9 Pin 5 14 Ailron Trim Green Wire Autopilot Roll Servo - DB9 Pin 6 Now I have moved my OAT to the Left Wing so I will need two more of the ones that are now N/C (No Connection) and use them for the OAT Probe. This is the main reason I used the CPC-14 connector was to have extra pins for future growth. Thank You Ray Doerr 40250 N519RV (272 on the Hobbs) ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fuse penetrations at wing root Hi all, I'm about to finalise my wiring between the wings and panel. I have opted for qick disconnects at the wing root and plan separate molex connectors for the DC wiring and strobes, BNC bulkhead connectors for the Nav and MB antennas and bulkhead connector for the pitot. The plans suggest that a single hole be enlarged to accommodate the wiring to the wing. Before I make swiss cheese of the fuse (ie 5 holes per side), would appreciate feedback on what others have done and whether Vans has limitations on the number, size and location of these holes. cheers, Ron first power to the panel and smoke stayed in the wire!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Testement" <jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com>
Subject: Fuse penetrations at wing root
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Ron, I put my CPC connectors on the wing inboard ribs - inserted a plate in the lightening hole. I did not put any connectors on the fuse side. I used a separate Molex for the strobe and located it well behind the other wires. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fuse penetrations at wing root Hi all, I'm about to finalise my wiring between the wings and panel. I have opted for qick disconnects at the wing root and plan separate molex connectors for the DC wiring and strobes, BNC bulkhead connectors for the Nav and MB antennas and bulkhead connector for the pitot. The plans suggest that a single hole be enlarged to accommodate the wiring to the wing. Before I make swiss cheese of the fuse (ie 5 holes per side), would appreciate feedback on what others have done and whether Vans has limitations on the number, size and location of these holes. cheers, Ron first power to the panel and smoke stayed in the wire!! "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?RV10-List 3:26 PM 6:32 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: Dave Lammers <davelammers(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Main Landing Gear Shimmy Question
This question is for those who are already flying. Have any of you experienced the RV shimmy in the main landing gear typical of that experienced in the RV6 series? This is an occasional shimmy (once every couple dozen landings) which occurs on landing rollout and is induced by rolling over an irregular surface deformation on landing rollout and generally can be stopped only by bringing the aircraft to a full stop. I've seen in in 3 of the several RV6's I've been involved with. Van changed the RV6 plans to add a damping piece of wood fiberglassed to the aft surface of the gear leg, which is now the standard configuration on the -6. Second question: Has anyone added this to the RV10 gear legs? If so, why? Out of experienced shimmy, or out of precaution due to experience in other Van's tubular steel main landing gear aircraft? My guess is that the larger diameter and mass of the RV10 gear leg has changed the natural harmonic frequency of the leg so that this is not an issue and the dampener is not required. However, I thought I'd poll those of you flying, because I am at the point where adding this would be an easy thing to do. Thanks. Dave Lammers finishing ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Main Landing Gear Shimmy Question
Date: Jul 09, 2007
I have experienced shimmy in mine (160 hrs) and have had to tighten the large fork nut couple of times to prevent it. I suspect that the shimmy might be due to wear at the washers. It seems that I need to have a slight drag on the fork to eliminate shimmy. Also, holding the stick in your lap on roll-out seems to help. Not familiar with the fix on the -6 gear, however a picture or a part number from Van would be nice. Thanks, Rob. On Jul 9, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Dave Lammers wrote: > > This question is for those who are already flying. > > Have any of you experienced the RV shimmy in the main landing gear > typical of that experienced in the RV6 series? This is an > occasional shimmy (once every couple dozen landings) which occurs > on landing rollout and is induced by rolling over an irregular > surface deformation on landing rollout and generally can be stopped > only by bringing the aircraft to a full stop. I've seen in in 3 of > the several RV6's I've been involved with. Van changed the RV6 > plans to add a damping piece of wood fiberglassed to the aft > surface of the gear leg, which is now the standard configuration on > the -6. > > Second question: Has anyone added this to the RV10 gear legs? If > so, why? Out of experienced shimmy, or out of precaution due to > experience in other Van's tubular steel main landing gear aircraft? > > My guess is that the larger diameter and mass of the RV10 gear leg > has changed the natural harmonic frequency of the leg so that this > is not an issue and the dampener is not required. However, I > thought I'd poll those of you flying, because I am at the point > where adding this would be an easy thing to do. > > Thanks. > Dave Lammers > finishing > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Main Landing Gear Shimmy Question
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: "Tom Deutsch" <deutscht(at)rhwhotels.com>
Dave, had issue on my 7 so know what you are talking about. 100 hours and no issue at all on my 10 and I did nothing. Tom Deutsch Vice President RHW Development and Construction Services Office 913 451-1222 Fax 913 451-6493 Cell 913 908-7752 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Lammers Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: RV10-List: Main Landing Gear Shimmy Question This question is for those who are already flying. Have any of you experienced the RV shimmy in the main landing gear typical of that experienced in the RV6 series? This is an occasional shimmy (once every couple dozen landings) which occurs on landing rollout and is induced by rolling over an irregular surface deformation on landing rollout and generally can be stopped only by bringing the aircraft to a full stop. I've seen in in 3 of the several RV6's I've been involved with. Van changed the RV6 plans to add a damping piece of wood fiberglassed to the aft surface of the gear leg, which is now the standard configuration on the -6. Second question: Has anyone added this to the RV10 gear legs? If so, why? Out of experienced shimmy, or out of precaution due to experience in other Van's tubular steel main landing gear aircraft? My guess is that the larger diameter and mass of the RV10 gear leg has changed the natural harmonic frequency of the leg so that this is not an issue and the dampener is not required. However, I thought I'd poll those of you flying, because I am at the point where adding this would be an easy thing to do. Thanks. Dave Lammers finishing ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: Dave Lammers <davelammers(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Main Landing Gear Shimmy Question
Rob, Thanks for your reply. However, my question only dealt with the main landing gear (not the nose gear). The -6 fix would most likely not help a shimmy that is due to an issue with the wheel, its mounting and axis of rotation, as I think most nose gear shimmies are, but thanks for the reply anyway. Dave Lammers finishing Rob Kermanj wrote: > > I have experienced shimmy in mine (160 hrs) and have had to tighten > the large fork nut couple of times to prevent it. I suspect that the > shimmy might be due to wear at the washers. It seems that I need to > have a slight drag on the fork to eliminate shimmy. Also, holding > the stick in your lap on roll-out seems to help. > > Not familiar with the fix on the -6 gear, however a picture or a part > number from Van would be nice. > > Thanks, > Rob. > > On Jul 9, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Dave Lammers wrote: > >> >> This question is for those who are already flying. >> >> Have any of you experienced the RV shimmy in the main landing gear >> typical of that experienced in the RV6 series? This is an >> occasional shimmy (once every couple dozen landings) which occurs on >> landing rollout and is induced by rolling over an irregular surface >> deformation on landing rollout and generally can be stopped only by >> bringing the aircraft to a full stop. I've seen in in 3 of the >> several RV6's I've been involved with. Van changed the RV6 plans to >> add a damping piece of wood fiberglassed to the aft surface of the >> gear leg, which is now the standard configuration on the -6. >> >> Second question: Has anyone added this to the RV10 gear legs? If >> so, why? Out of experienced shimmy, or out of precaution due to >> experience in other Van's tubular steel main landing gear aircraft? >> >> My guess is that the larger diameter and mass of the RV10 gear leg >> has changed the natural harmonic frequency of the leg so that this >> is not an issue and the dampener is not required. However, I >> thought I'd poll those of you flying, because I am at the point >> where adding this would be an easy thing to do. >> >> Thanks. >> Dave Lammers >> finishing >> >> >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Text inserted by Panda Platinum 2005 Internet Security: > > This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited > mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: > http://127.0.0.1:6083/Panda?ID=pav_49276&SPAM=true > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Gretz LED indicator dimensions
I would like to drill the holes in the panel for the Gretz heated pitot LED lights. Mine are stored in a friends hanger not immediately accessible. So I'm hoping that someone might have theirs handy and could take some measurements. Here's what I need: 1. The diameter of the LED's 2. The spacing of the LED's i.e. how far (center to center) are the outside LED's spaced from the center LED? Appreciate any response/help Deems Davis # 406 Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Gretz LED indicator dimensions
Date: Jul 09, 2007
3 holes 5/32 apart. The bulbs have a small flange on the bottom that has a dia of 7/32. However the bulb itself is 3/16. Hope that helps Gary 40274 Fighting with instrument wireing. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: RV10-List: Gretz LED indicator dimensions I would like to drill the holes in the panel for the Gretz heated pitot LED lights. Mine are stored in a friends hanger not immediately accessible. So I'm hoping that someone might have theirs handy and could take some measurements. Here's what I need: 1. The diameter of the LED's 2. The spacing of the LED's i.e. how far (center to center) are the outside LED's spaced from the center LED? Appreciate any response/help Deems Davis # 406 Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Gretz LED indicator dimensions
Gary, Thanks for the quick response, just to double check, is the spacing edge to edge on the 3 holes? Deems Davis # 406 Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff http://deemsrv10.com/ gary wrote: > > 3 holes 5/32 apart. The bulbs have a small flange on the bottom that has a > dia of 7/32. However the bulb itself is 3/16. > > Hope that helps > Gary > 40274 Fighting with instrument wireing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:51 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Gretz LED indicator dimensions > > > I would like to drill the holes in the panel for the Gretz heated pitot > LED lights. Mine are stored in a friends hanger not immediately > accessible. So I'm hoping that someone might have theirs handy and could > take some measurements. Here's what I need: > > 1. The diameter of the LED's > 2. The spacing of the LED's i.e. how far (center to center) are the > outside LED's spaced from the center LED? > > Appreciate any response/help > > Deems Davis # 406 > Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Gretz LED indicator dimensions
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Yes Left edge to left edge, or center to center however you like it but not right edge to left edge. Does that make any sense. Just figure center to center and you will have it. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gretz LED indicator dimensions Gary, Thanks for the quick response, just to double check, is the spacing edge to edge on the 3 holes? Deems Davis # 406 Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff http://deemsrv10.com/ gary wrote: > > 3 holes 5/32 apart. The bulbs have a small flange on the bottom that has a > dia of 7/32. However the bulb itself is 3/16. > > Hope that helps > Gary > 40274 Fighting with instrument wireing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:51 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Gretz LED indicator dimensions > > > I would like to drill the holes in the panel for the Gretz heated pitot > LED lights. Mine are stored in a friends hanger not immediately > accessible. So I'm hoping that someone might have theirs handy and could > take some measurements. Here's what I need: > > 1. The diameter of the LED's > 2. The spacing of the LED's i.e. how far (center to center) are the > outside LED's spaced from the center LED? > > Appreciate any response/help > > Deems Davis # 406 > Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: Dan Masys <dmasys(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Fuse penetrations at wing root
The scientific way to make this decision would be to measure the RF field around all wires and decide whether there was any risk in bundling them. But most everybody just uses one rule of thumb (ie., heuristic) or another. Mine goes like this: Strobes and lights can go together, along with other high current lines (e.g., pitot heat). Shielded (RG58, RG400) antenna lines want to be some distance from high current lines -- at least a few inches if possible. And unshielded low current lines like magnetometer wires headed out to the end of a wingtip want to be about as far from high voltage pulsing lines as possible. This added up to 3 or 4 holes each side. -Dan Masys N104LD built - airworthiness inspection in 4 days... ---- "McGANN wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm about to finalise my wiring between the wings and panel. I have opted for qick disconnects at the wing root and plan separate molex connectors for the DC wiring and strobes, BNC bulkhead connectors for the Nav and MB antennas and bulkhead connector for the pitot. The plans suggest that a single hole be enlarged to accommodate the wiring to the wing. Before I make swiss cheese of the fuse (ie 5 holes per side), would appreciate feedback on what others have done and whether Vans has limitations on the number, size and location of these holes. > > cheers, > Ron > first power to the panel and smoke stayed in the wire!! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Gretz LED indicator dimensions
I'm pretty dense but something's not computing here for me: If the diameter of the portion of the bulb that will project through the panel is 3/16" (6/32") then 2 bulbs placed side by side would have a 'center to center' measurement of 6/32"... right? So how can the center to center measurement be less than this??? Is it 3 holes 5/16" apart??? I'm obviously missing something. Deems Davis # 406 Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff http://deemsrv10.com/ gary wrote: > > Yes Left edge to left edge, or center to center however you like it but not > right edge to left edge. Does that make any sense. Just figure center to > center and you will have it. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:55 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gretz LED indicator dimensions > > > Gary, Thanks for the quick response, just to double check, is the > spacing edge to edge on the 3 holes? > > Deems Davis # 406 > Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > gary wrote: > >> >> 3 holes 5/32 apart. The bulbs have a small flange on the bottom that has >> > a > >> dia of 7/32. However the bulb itself is 3/16. >> >> Hope that helps >> Gary >> 40274 Fighting with instrument wireing. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis >> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:51 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Gretz LED indicator dimensions >> >> >> I would like to drill the holes in the panel for the Gretz heated pitot >> LED lights. Mine are stored in a friends hanger not immediately >> accessible. So I'm hoping that someone might have theirs handy and could >> take some measurements. Here's what I need: >> >> 1. The diameter of the LED's >> 2. The spacing of the LED's i.e. how far (center to center) are the >> outside LED's spaced from the center LED? >> >> Appreciate any response/help >> >> Deems Davis # 406 >> Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff >> http://deemsrv10.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Dynon OAT Probe
Date: Jul 09, 2007
OK, I found the answer to my question. Eric at Dynon told me the problem was that the D-180 unit comes from the factory with General Purpose Input #1 set up as an OAT input and needs to be changed to some other function or set to Unused. This also applies to any other GP input as only one OAT can be connected at a time. Otherwise, the probe connected to the compass module conflicts with the GP input and shows -46F. Also, the 3 wire probe (identified with a black bank) can be used as a 2 wire probe connected to a GP input but needs to be wired as follows: Yellow wire is sig.; blue wire is ground; and red wire is unused. Thanks, Eric. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- Subject: RV10-List: Dynon OAT Probe My Dynon 180 always shows -45F or -46F degrees AOT. I ordered another OAT probe but it reads the same. This is the OAT probe with the black band that connects into the remote compass box. Can't find anything wrong with the wiring and the probe is configured as choice 2 in the setup menu just like Dynon says. Anyone else been down this road? Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Subject: Re: prop governor changes
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
So what is "the desired position" of the arm for the RV-10? I think we all received the below information a few weeks ago and it is useful, but incomplete. When the supplied governor is mounted, the arm is pointing down in the 6 o'clock position (max RPM) and moves 90 degrees to the 3 o'clock position. I was thinking of moving it 90 degrees clockwise to the 9 o'clock position or to the 10 o'clock position. This should allow full motion. For those that have done this on the RV-10, what is the best position of the MT governor arm in the maximum and minimum RPM positions. This would be helpful to us all who have the MT governor from the Van's FF kit. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ -------- Original Message -------- > X-Rcpt-To: > > > David, > > Here is the respone I got from MT: > > All P-860-( ) governors are basically the same. The - ( ) number only refers > to the control arm position and the max. rpm of the governor. To change the > control arm, loosen the 6 screws, turn the entire center portion to the > desired position, tighten the 6 screws and safety. > > To change max rpm the set screw on the high rpm stop is turned > counterclockwise (out) to increase rpm and clockwise (in) to decrease rpm. > If there is not enough adjustment possible ( 1 turn = 25 rpm) the control > arm must be reset on the spline one notch at the time. > > All this can be done on the plane. > > To have MT Propeller USA, Inc. modify the governor max. rpm would cost > approx. $100.00, unfortunately the control arm position must be adjusted on > the plane > > Best Regards, > Juergen Zahner > mt-propeller USA, Inc. > ph: 386-736-7762 > fax:386-736-7696 > Juergen.Zahner@mt-propellerusa.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: prop governor changes
William, I think the 'best' position depends on how you intend to mount your prop control cable. If you use the standard Van's supplied mount the 9-10 o'clock position would be close. HOWEVER. BE Careful as the change from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock will reverse the actual operation of the governor. I.E. a PUSH on the prop control cable with the arm @ 3 o'clock will have the opposite effect on the governor with the arm mounted @ 9 o'clock. I would recommend at least temporarily attaching your governor cable and verifying the movement, This will also give you a much better idea of just where you want the arm positioned before you cut the safety wire and reposition and safety Deems Davis # 406 Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff http://deemsrv10.com/ William Curtis wrote: > > So what is "the desired position" of the arm for the RV-10? I think we all received the below information a few weeks ago and it is useful, but incomplete. > > When the supplied governor is mounted, the arm is pointing down in the 6 o'clock position (max RPM) and moves 90 degrees to the 3 o'clock position. I was thinking of moving it 90 degrees clockwise to the 9 o'clock position or to the 10 o'clock position. This should allow full motion. For those that have done this on the RV-10, what is the best position of the MT governor arm in the maximum and minimum RPM positions. This would be helpful to us all who have the MT governor from the Van's FF kit. > > William > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ > > -------- Original Message -------- > >> X-Rcpt-To: >> >> >> David, >> >> Here is the respone I got from MT: >> >> All P-860-( ) governors are basically the same. The - ( ) number only refers >> to the control arm position and the max. rpm of the governor. To change the >> control arm, loosen the 6 screws, turn the entire center portion to the >> desired position, tighten the 6 screws and safety. >> >> To change max rpm the set screw on the high rpm stop is turned >> counterclockwise (out) to increase rpm and clockwise (in) to decrease rpm. >> If there is not enough adjustment possible ( 1 turn = 25 rpm) the control >> arm must be reset on the spline one notch at the time. >> >> All this can be done on the plane. >> >> To have MT Propeller USA, Inc. modify the governor max. rpm would cost >> approx. $100.00, unfortunately the control arm position must be adjusted on >> the plane >> >> Best Regards, >> Juergen Zahner >> mt-propeller USA, Inc. >> ph: 386-736-7762 >> fax:386-736-7696 >> Juergen.Zahner@mt-propellerusa.com >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Gretz LED indicator dimensions
Date: Jul 09, 2007
3 holes 5/32 apart. Sorry for the confusion. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gretz LED indicator dimensions I'm pretty dense but something's not computing here for me: If the diameter of the portion of the bulb that will project through the panel is 3/16" (6/32") then 2 bulbs placed side by side would have a 'center to center' measurement of 6/32"... right? So how can the center to center measurement be less than this??? Is it 3 holes 5/16" apart??? I'm obviously missing something. Deems Davis # 406 Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff http://deemsrv10.com/ gary wrote: > > Yes Left edge to left edge, or center to center however you like it but not > right edge to left edge. Does that make any sense. Just figure center to > center and you will have it. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:55 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gretz LED indicator dimensions > > > Gary, Thanks for the quick response, just to double check, is the > spacing edge to edge on the 3 holes? > > Deems Davis # 406 > Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > gary wrote: > >> >> 3 holes 5/32 apart. The bulbs have a small flange on the bottom that has >> > a > >> dia of 7/32. However the bulb itself is 3/16. >> >> Hope that helps >> Gary >> 40274 Fighting with instrument wireing. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis >> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:51 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Gretz LED indicator dimensions >> >> >> I would like to drill the holes in the panel for the Gretz heated pitot >> LED lights. Mine are stored in a friends hanger not immediately >> accessible. So I'm hoping that someone might have theirs handy and could >> take some measurements. Here's what I need: >> >> 1. The diameter of the LED's >> 2. The spacing of the LED's i.e. how far (center to center) are the >> outside LED's spaced from the center LED? >> >> Appreciate any response/help >> >> Deems Davis # 406 >> Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff >> http://deemsrv10.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Indran Chelvanayagam <dc71(at)netspace.net.au>
Subject: Gretz LED indicator Dimming
Date: Jul 10, 2007
On the subject of Gretz LED indicators, does anyone know how to wire the unit to allow for dimming? The LEDs are quite bright, and may be a distraction at night. Indran #40228 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Dynon OAT Probe
Well you at least got some E-cooling to relieve the current AZ heat wave. 8-) Albert Gardner wrote: > > OK, I found the answer to my question. Eric at Dynon told me the problem was > that the D-180 unit comes from the factory with General Purpose Input #1 set > up as an OAT input and needs to be changed to some other function or set to > Unused. This also applies to any other GP input as only one OAT can be > connected at a time. Otherwise, the probe connected to the compass module > conflicts with the GP input and shows -46F. > > Also, the 3 wire probe (identified with a black bank) can be used as a 2 > wire probe connected to a GP input but needs to be wired as follows: Yellow > wire is sig.; blue wire is ground; and red wire is unused. > > Thanks, Eric. > Albert Gardner > Yuma, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: RV10-List: Dynon OAT Probe > My Dynon 180 always shows -45F or -46F degrees AOT. I ordered another OAT > probe but it reads the same. This is the OAT probe with the black band that > connects into the remote compass box. Can't find anything wrong with the > wiring and the probe is configured as choice 2 in the setup menu just like > Dynon says. > Anyone else been down this road? > Albert Gardner > Yuma, AZ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2007
From: Rick <ricksked(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Rivethead Aero, are you out there?
Anyone heard from Rivethead Aero in the form of a delivery or contact? I place an order 3 weeks ago, followed up this week with an email and a phone call, mail box full on answering machine....check returned, address no good. Laughs on me, I ordered them online with Paypal so some recourse if it's gone bad which I don't think it has. A post by Matt Burch on Vansairforce today asked the same thing, I know a -10 builder on the list is related somehow. Bueller? Bueller? Rick S. 40185 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there?
Date: Jul 10, 2007
I recieved RV10 door parts in about a month. Not good follow up to calls and emails but the order was delivered. Dick Sipp 40065 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2007
From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: AEX Tiedown - thickness of flange
Can someone tell me the thickness of the flange on the AEX Tiedown extrusion? That is, I'm looking for the thickness of the flange that the bolts go thru. This same part is used on the tail and wing tiedowns I'm trying to determine the bolt size to use on one of the aileron brackets with a cushion clamp added. Thanks in advance. Bill "working on QB wing and fuse" Watson ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rivethead Aero, are you out there?
Date: Jul 10, 2007
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Rick, I've tried numerous times to contact them and place an order before they showed the door things on the website. I talked to him once and he was going to call back. Never heard from him - I've left several messages and emails since to no avail. Bob #40105 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: RV10-List: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? Anyone heard from Rivethead Aero in the form of a delivery or contact? I place an order 3 weeks ago, followed up this week with an email and a phone call, mail box full on answering machine....check returned, address no good. Laughs on me, I ordered them online with Paypal so some recourse if it's gone bad which I don't think it has. A post by Matt Burch on Vansairforce today asked the same thing, I know a -10 builder on the list is related somehow. Bueller? Bueller? Rick S. 40185 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <jim(at)CombsFive.Com>
Subject: Re: OSH Camping Logistics
Date: Jul 10, 2007
Bob, I will be driving to Osh and camping I should arrive on Wed (25 and stay till Sat morning. I will be driving and sleeping in a van. I would like to either reserve a campsite or just park in an existing space. I will pay for the use of the site. Let me know if I need to send you some money or what ever arrangement you want. Thanks, Jim Combs (40192) =========================================================== From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> Date: 2007/07/03 Tue AM 12:19:49 EDT Subject: RV10-List: OSH Camping Logistics For those that are reserving sites at RV-10 HQ in Camp Scholler, I will send out an email to everybody probably late in the day on Tuesday 7/17 with contact cell phone numbers for Tim, Gary and I along with a map to the location. Game plan is that you should call one of us when about 20-30 minutes out and one of us will meet you at the Camp Scholler entrance with your campsite credentials and car pass. Obviously we won't know the exact location before Tuesday AM, but if you have any other questions feel free to contact me before then. *** Begin Advertisement *** Current count is up to 16 sites. Time is getting short if you want to reserve a site of your own! I have sent a confirmation email to all that I've received a check from - if you haven't received an email, I haven't received your check. I can also accept PayPal using my email address for the account. *** End Advertisement *** Bob #40105 =========================================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Jul 10, 2007
Subject: Rivethead Aero, are you out there?
That's really too bad. I got the trim cable mounts a while back but I don't recall how long it took. I'll say it again for any of you vendors lurking, fastest way to make or kill your business in aviation is word of mouth. Not responding to potential customers, or worse current customers, will do more damage than anything else in the Internet age let alone in hanger talk. You want to run a business, act like you actually give a crap about your customers and you will never have to worry about bad press taking a foothold. Zack, I believe Dave is your nephew or something like that. He makes some nice stuff but you might want to say something to him before this slides anymore. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:03 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? Rick, I've tried numerous times to contact them and place an order before they showed the door things on the website. I talked to him once and he was going to call back. Never heard from him - I've left several messages and emails since to no avail. Bob #40105 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: RV10-List: Rivethead Aero, are you out there? Anyone heard from Rivethead Aero in the form of a delivery or contact? I place an order 3 weeks ago, followed up this week with an email and a phone call, mail box full on answering machine....check returned, address no good. Laughs on me, I ordered them online with Paypal so some recourse if it's gone bad which I don't think it has. A post by Matt Burch on Vansairforce today asked the same thing, I know a -10 builder on the list is related somehow. Bueller? Bueller? Rick S. 40185 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2007
From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Rivethead Aero, are you out there?
Same experience here. Took a long time. Little response in the interim. But it all came in and met expectations... except for timeliness and responsiveness. But that includes cost and quality. I'll do it again as long as I have the lead time. Richard Sipp wrote: > > I recieved RV10 door parts in about a month. Not good follow up to > calls and emails but the order was delivered. > > Dick Sipp > 40065 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2007
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: AEX Dimension
Bill. I still have the cutoff piece and the wings measure 0.070 inches. Hope that is the dimension you need. Fred Williams 40515 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2007
From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: AEX Dimension
That's exactly it. Thanks much. Bill Watson 40605 Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: > > > Bill. > > I still have the cutoff piece and the wings measure 0.070 inches. > Hope that is the dimension you need. > > Fred Williams > 40515 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: OSH?
Date: Jul 11, 2007
From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston(at)popsound.com>
Hey all - I'm doing my last-minute possibly go to osh thing again this year, and wondered if I should go. Are some 10ers going to stay around for the 28-29th? cj #40410 fuse/finishing www.perfectlygoodairplane.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Closing baggage floors & rear seats floors
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Jul 11, 2007
Hello, I am just about to close the baggage floors and just want to check if I really really am prepared to route everything through the underfloors that is necessary. Thats what I have: 2 standard Vans conduits left & right (from tailcone to side panels fuselage) they will route - plus battery cable - tail light - strobe l & r - COM antenna and probably also transponder antenna cable Static line Since I am not sure about my avionics I might need to route also the AHRS cable through it. Will that work? Feedback welcome. Michael -------- RV-10 builder (wings) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123302#123302 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OSH?
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2007
Chris, Looks like a lot of the folks in the RV-10 camping area will still be there Saturday but I would think most will leave Sunday morning sometime. Here's the link to the list of people in that area and schedule: http://www.myrv10.com/osh/OSH_2007_RV10HQ.jpg Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123304#123304 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Closing baggage floors & rear seats floors
Date: Jul 11, 2007
Remote ELT cable for the switch Power lines to activate Strobe from switch in panel Power line(s) to the solenoid(s) Hopefully I have everything else in my plane but have forgotten for the moment. John G. >From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> >Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Closing baggage floors & rear seats floors >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:54:19 -0700 > > > >Hello, > >I am just about to close the baggage floors and just want to check if I >really really am prepared to route everything through the underfloors that >is necessary. > >Thats what I have: > >2 standard Vans conduits left & right (from tailcone to side panels >fuselage) > they will route >- plus battery cable >- tail light >- strobe l & r >- COM antenna and probably also transponder antenna cable > >Static line > >Since I am not sure about my avionics I might need to route also the AHRS >cable through it. Will that work? > > >Feedback welcome. > >Michael > >-------- >RV-10 builder (wings) >#511 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123302#123302 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2007
From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Closing baggage floors & rear seats floors
My RV-10 has been flying since last August. Since then I have relocated the GPS antenna, added a backup electrical bus, changed out the ELT, and changed out the solid state gyro. Now the two tubes I provided are stuffed full. Looking back I should have added one tube on each side just to handle the unknowns. If they remain empty ... so be it. Bill DeRouchey N939SB, flying Michael Wellenzohn wrote: Hello, I am just about to close the baggage floors and just want to check if I really really am prepared to route everything through the underfloors that is necessary. Thats what I have: 2 standard Vans conduits left & right (from tailcone to side panels fuselage) they will route - plus battery cable - tail light - strobe l & r - COM antenna and probably also transponder antenna cable Static line Since I am not sure about my avionics I might need to route also the AHRS cable through it. Will that work? Feedback welcome. Michael -------- RV-10 builder (wings) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123302#123302 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2007
From: Dan Masys <dmasys(at)cox.net>
Subject: Help with EIS fuel sender configuration
I have the Vans fuel senders hooked to Aux inputs on my GRT Engine Information System, but not having much luck getting the proper fuel quantity to display using the instructions from GRT. Does anybody happen to have the Scale Factor (AuxSF) and Offset (OFF) values they used for their senders, and can confirm that reverse rather than forward sensing is used? Thanks in advance for any help with this. DAR inspection this weekend... -Dan Masys N104LD ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2007
From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: QB Fuselage - Door Seal Angle problems (continued)
I'm finding that the door seal angles F-10102A and F-10102B installed on the QB fuselage, are not fabricated properly. First, as reported in the archives, F-10102A is 1/16" too long and will not butt up against tailcone longeron when joining the tailcone and forward fuselage. Second, the plans call for both seals to be trimmed to 3/8" below longeron. Instead, the A section has been trimmed from 3/4" to 1/2". I assume this is unacceptable and am currently trying to confirm that. In any case, I believe I will have to remove parts, trim to proper dimensions and reassemble. Comments welcome. Bill "Ripping up and reassembling QB Fuse" Watson 40605 QB Fuse #484 BTW, they were recessed from skin 1/16" as called out in plans. Previous problems with this part are noted here: http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=10100994?KEYS=door_seal?LISTNAME=RV10?HITNUMBER=23?SERIAL=03461920015?SHOWBUTTONS=NO ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Tim O. Computer Problems
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2007
Tim asked me to post a note for him to let everybody know that he is experiencing hard drive problems with his server. The info is all backed up but it will be a few hours before he's back up and running. Bob (for Tim) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123386#123386 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: OSH Camping Schedule
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2007
I've had a few inquiries over the last day about site availability for the last days of the show. Unfortunately Tim's computer problem prevents people from going there to check for openings. Although not as pretty as Tim's web view, attached is a spreadsheet with the tracking and email contact info, and is current as of last night. If you want a site starting Tuesday 7/17 when we get the large block you'll need to contact me ASAP. If you are looking to take over somebody's site you will have to contact them directly because it their site. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123391#123391 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/osh_campsite_reservations1_161.xls ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Help with EIS fuel sender configuration
Date: Jul 12, 2007
Dan, Attached is a file I have on my EIS settings, hope it helps (I stole it from Tim in case it looks familiar to anyone). One huge caveat, I can't be sure if anything was changed since I made this list. I'll double check it the next time I go out, but I'm not sure when that will be. Just in case it doesn't work I've sent it private mail as well but anyone on the list is free to reference it. Marcus 40286 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:29 AM Subject: RV10-List: Help with EIS fuel sender configuration I have the Vans fuel senders hooked to Aux inputs on my GRT Engine Information System, but not having much luck getting the proper fuel quantity to display using the instructions from GRT. Does anybody happen to have the Scale Factor (AuxSF) and Offset (OFF) values they used for their senders, and can confirm that reverse rather than forward sensing is used? Thanks in advance for any help with this. DAR inspection this weekend... -Dan Masys N104LD ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Forum Plug
Date: Jul 12, 2007
From: <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
Y'all: I found this interesting Forum listed on the Oshkosh calendar of events: Date: 7/24/2007 Time: 1:00 PM - 2:15 PM Location: 02 GAMA Pavilion Title: Non-Stunt Pilot Flying In The Movies Presenter(s): Steve Saint <http://www.airventure.org/forums/presenter.asp?EventID=12&PresenterID= 1 805> Sound like anyone we know? TDT 40025 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Surreal experience realized today...
Date: Jul 12, 2007
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>
Two days ago the FAA came to my hanger and did my inspection, and much to my disappointment my elevator did not have the correct travel so I did not get my pink slip, but I learned a valuable lesson of check and recheck all work, even if you have looked at everything the night before, look again and measure again. Fortunately the FSDO worked with me and was able to have the inspector come out again this morning at 11a.m. N289DT became an airplane, she had her pink slip and operation limitations and after about 8 hours of additional work she was ready for flight......with the Eggenfellner Subaru engine spinning the best Damn looking 4 bladed prop out there, we leaped into the sky and quickly my dream became a reality. She climbed great, we flew together for about 40 minutes, all temps in the green, and just a few small issues to fix tomorrow. As the sun was setting I setup for the approach to the local runway and ended up a little high, remembered that I was only at half flaps and was able to land on the first third of the runway rather than going around. What an experience, I could not stop grinning and can not believe my wife and I built this in our garage, with the help of our good friend Don Gray. Without the love and support of my wife this would never have happened. Thanks to her, Don, Vans, SteinAir, Eggenfellner aircraft and soo many other people I now have one of the coolest airplanes to fly! Talk to everyone later, will have pictures to post tomorrow, as soon as I get caught up on no sleep for 7 days... > Dan Lloyd Director of Information Technology > Werner Company > 93 Werner Road > Greenville, PA 16125 > > lloyddr(at)wernerco.com > 1-724-588-2000 *2408 work > 1-724-988-9230 cell > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Surreal experience realized today...
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Jul 12, 2007
:D Very exciting. Does this mean that you have to fly off 40 hours to go to OSH ???? (Is it certified engine 25hrs - non-cert 40 hrs) What is the rule on this??? Hope you can some way get to OSH - Very exciting - congrats - hope to be where you are at in 6-8 months -------- OSH '08 or Bust Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123542#123542 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rvmail(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Surreal experience realized today...
Date: Jul 13, 2007
Great news Dan! Congratulations! If I would have made a bet based upon where you were at on Sunday, I would have thought that there was no way you were going to be able to finish in time. I'm glad that I would have lost that bet and that you were successful. I'm looking forward to seeing both you and Trish again at OSH and hearing all your stories about how the Egg is doing in the 10. We'll certainly have to celebrate a new flying RV-10 at RV-10 Headquarters! bob From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: Surreal experience realized today... Two days ago the FAA came to my hanger and did my inspection, and much to my disappointment my elevator did not have the correct travel so I did not get my pink slip, but I learned a valuable lesson of check and recheck all work, even if you have looked at everything the night before, look again and measure again. Fortunately the FSDO worked with me and was able to have the inspector come out again this morning at 11a.m. N289DT became an airplane, she had her pink slip and operation limitations and after about 8 hours of additional work she was ready for flight..with the Eggenfellner Subaru engine spinning the best Damn looking 4 bladed prop out there, we leaped into the sky and quickly my dream became a reality. She climbed great, we flew together for about 40 minutes, all temps in the green, and just a few small issues to fix tomorrow. As the sun was setting I setup for the approach to the local runway and ended up a little high, remembered that I was only at half flaps and was able to land on the first third of the runway rather than going around. What an experience, I could not stop grinning and can not believe my wife and I built this in our garage, with the help of our good friend Don Gray. Without the love and support of my wife this would never have happened. Thanks to her, Don, Vans, SteinAir, Eggenfellner aircraft and soo many other people I now have one of the coolest airplanes to fly! Talk to everyone later, will have pictures to post tomorrow, as soon as I get caught up on no sleep for 7 days... Dan Lloyd Director of Information Technology Werner Company 93 Werner Road Greenville, PA 16125 lloyddr(at)wernerco.com 1-724-588-2000 *2408 work 1-724-988-9230 cell __________ NOD32 2396 (20070712) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Surreal experience realized today...
Date: Jul 13, 2007
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>
You have it right a certified combo will be 25 hours and an uncertified combo is 40 hours Dan N289DT RV10E flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:34 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Surreal experience realized today... :D Very exciting. Does this mean that you have to fly off 40 hours to go to OSH ???? (Is it certified engine 25hrs - non-cert 40 hrs) What is the rule on this??? Hope you can some way get to OSH - Very exciting - congrats - hope to be where you are at in 6-8 months -------- OSH '08 or Bust Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123542#123542 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Need someone to inspect my work
Date: Jul 13, 2007
From: nicholscatoauto(at)aol.com
Hello, I have been following the list for awhile but this is my first time posting. I have finished with my tail section and have started on my slow build wings and would like someone to check out my work. I have been in contact with the local EAA tech counselor but he is way to busy with his business to come by for a check. Tried three different times in the last 2 months to have him stop by. Since I only live about 1 hour drive from Oshkosh (Manitowoc area) I thought that if any of the -10 builders going to Oshkosh could spare part of a day they could stop by and inspect my work. I am pretty flexible the whole week and am not sure which days I will be attending so if? anyone could help me out I could stop by and pick them up anytime. Thanks Jeff Nichols ?# 40648 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Closing baggage floors & rear seats floors
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2007
Thanks for the feedback. I did route a third conduit now. so whatever happens Ill be able to pull new wires through. Michael www.wellenzohn.net -------- RV-10 builder (wings) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123615#123615 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Surreal experience realized today...
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2007
Congrats also from across the pond! Best Regards from Switzerland Michael www.wellenzohn.net -------- RV-10 builder (wings) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123617#123617 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2007
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Great Job Vic on your Angel Flight
I don't know if many of you have heard this off of VansAirforce.net but you should. http://www.vansairforce.net/delete_eventually/_206202505907121313477704543502.WAV First of all, great job Vic. I'm sure patients have a blast flying in the RV-10. Was this an Angel Flight or something different? I have wanted to get involved in Angel Flight but as most of you know they do not allow Experimental aircraft to fly patients. I have been able to transport toys but not passengers. The last part of the message is a great one even though it is a Texas organization, if we can get these types organizations to allow instrument rated pilots in instrument rated RV's allowed, maybe Angel Flight will make an exception to their current rule. If you ever have a chance over the next couple weeks, please send an e-mail to angel flight encouraging the use of RV's. It always seemed funny that they allow 1960 172's but not brand new RV's. The RV had a great safety record and social organization plus most RV pilots love to fly their planes and are very willing to help other people out. Here is the main angel flight e-mail and you also may want to contact your regional office as well. angel(at)angelflight.com Keep up the great work Vic. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Great Job Vic on your Angel Flight
Date: Jul 13, 2007
For what it's worth, before leaving Georgia I contacted Angel Flight and they said no problem as far as being experimental as long as it was IFR rated. I have read that some organizations will limit you to organs and other support but not people in homebuilts, but hopefully things are improving. Marcus 40286 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: Great Job Vic on your Angel Flight I don't know if many of you have heard this off of VansAirforce.net but you should. http://www.vansairforce.net/delete_eventually/_20620250590712131347770454350 2.WAV First of all, great job Vic. I'm sure patients have a blast flying in the RV-10. Was this an Angel Flight or something different? I have wanted to get involved in Angel Flight but as most of you know they do not allow Experimental aircraft to fly patients. I have been able to transport toys but not passengers. The last part of the message is a great one even though it is a Texas organization, if we can get these types organizations to allow instrument rated pilots in instrument rated RV's allowed, maybe Angel Flight will make an exception to their current rule. If you ever have a chance over the next couple weeks, please send an e-mail to angel flight encouraging the use of RV's. It always seemed funny that they allow 1960 172's but not brand new RV's. The RV had a great safety record and social organization plus most RV pilots love to fly their planes and are very willing to help other people out. Here is the main angel flight e-mail and you also may want to contact your regional office as well. angel(at)angelflight.com Keep up the great work Vic. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Surreal experience realized today...
Dan, I really didn't think you'd make it before OSH, (probably just jealous) but I'm mighty glad you did. Looking forward to seeing you and you're plane. CONGRATULATIONS Deems Davis # 406 Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff http://deemsrv10.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2007
Subject: Great Job Vic on your Angel Flight
Any one that is interested needs to check with their regional Angel Fligh t office. Some of the regions allow experimental and others don't. Unfort unately the region that covers WI doesn't so I'm out. They are also usuall y at OSH for anyone interested in talking with them. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Great Job Vic on your Angel Flight For what it's worth, before leaving Georgia I contacted Angel Flight and th ey said no problem as far as being experimental as long as it was IFR rated . I have read that some organizations will limit you to organs and other s upport but not people in homebuilts, but hopefully things are improving. Marcus 40286 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: Great Job Vic on your Angel Flight I don't know if many of you have heard this off of VansAirforce.net but you should. http://www.vansairforce.net/delete_eventually/_2062025059071213134777045435 02.WAV First of all, great job Vic. I'm sure patients have a blast flying in the R V-10. Was this an Angel Flight or something different? I have wanted to get involved in Angel Flight but as most of you know they do not allow Experimental aircraft to fly patients. I have been able to tra nsport toys but not passengers. The last part of the message is a great one even though it is a Texas organ ization, if we can get these types organizations to allow instrument rated pilots in instrument rated RV's allowed, maybe Angel Flight will make an ex ception to their current rule. If you ever have a chance over the next couple weeks, please send an e-mail to angel flight encouraging the use of RV's. It always seemed funny that they allow 1960 172's but not brand new RV's. The RV had a great safety re cord and social organization plus most RV pilots love to fly their planes a nd are very willing to help other people out. Here is the main angel flight e-mail and you also may want to contact your regional office as well. angel(at)angelflight.com Keep up the great work Vic. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Firewall Forward heads up
Date: Jul 14, 2007
If you are using the IO540 and the quadrant, be advised to adjust the cables at the throttle quadrant end for maximum length. Also note that when using the inverted V pattern through the firewall you will be crossing the throttle and mixture cables as the throttle is right side and the mixture is left side forward of the firewall. This works to effectively shorten the cables. It appears that in my case the cables can be effectively lengthened by about 1 inch but will require about 2 extra hours of labor to remove them enough to work on the length. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2007
From: Shawn Moon <moons1999(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Goo Gone?
I need to remove tape residue from my wing spar. I was thinking of using Goo Gone to do it but wanted to know if anybody knows of any ill effects from doing this. Any issues? Is there something that would be more appropriate to use? Thanks. --Shawn 40366 - Wings Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2007
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Goo Gone?
Kerosene works on most all tape and tape glue. Wet a rag and place on the tape to let it soak in. Linn Shawn Moon wrote: > I need to remove tape residue from my wing spar. I was thinking of > using Goo Gone to do it but wanted to know if anybody knows of any ill > effects from doing this. Any issues? Is there something that would > be more appropriate to use? Thanks. > > --Shawn > 40366 - Wings > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48516/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7%20> > and lay it on us. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2007
From: "ivo welch" <ivowel(at)gmail.com>
Subject: oshkosh --- favor
dear list readers--- I had planned to go to Oshkosh to advertise my RV-10 (N325HP, http://welch.econ.brown.edu/n325hp/) for sale, but personal reasons do not allow me to do this. A couple of my friends is going, but none will be parked in the RV-10 section. If anyone will be proudly displaying their airplane and is not trying to sell it, too, I would gladly contribute to the fuel cost of this person flying out there if he/she could hand out 1-page flyers for me to interested viewers. I guess the easiest way to do this is to place up a little table next to the plane and put the flyers under a paper weight or into a box that can hold flyers. if you can do this for me, please send me an email, and let me know how much you would like me to contribute to your fuel costs for this favor and for how many days you will be there. The flyer itself could either be sent to you electronically and printed at Kinko's, or I could send you the hard copies myself. Either way. Help would be very much appreciated. I wish I could have been there. Regards, /iaw ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Need someone to inspect my work
Date: Jul 15, 2007
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Jeff, I just got back from the NWEAA Arlington Fly-IN and someone has probably already offered. However, I am flying our CJ-6 Fighter/Trainer into Manitowok arriving on Friday PM. Paul Grimstad will fly into MKE on Sunday and we both will head to Sausen's picnic. As EAA Tech Counselor #5242, I would be happy to drop by after taking my flight skins off. As Deems' can tell you I will travel great distances to help make RV-10s the safest kit-built around. Offer good to many US locations. John Cox (503) 453-6016. Build #600 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nicholscatoauto(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: RV10-List: Need someone to inspect my work Hello, I have been following the list for awhile but this is my first time posting. I have finished with my tail section and have started on my slow build wings and would like someone to check out my work. I have been in contact with the local EAA tech counselor but he is way to busy with his business to come by for a check. Tried three different times in the last 2 months to have him stop by. Since I only live about 1 hour drive from Oshkosh (Manitowoc area) I thought that if any of the -10 builders going to Oshkosh could spare part of a day they could stop by and inspect my work. I am pretty flexible the whole week and am not sure which days I will be attending so if anyone could help me out I could stop by and pick them up anytime. Thanks Jeff Nichols # 40648 ________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Surreal experience realized today...
Date: Jul 15, 2007
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Dan, congratulations on a most important milestone in RV-10 building. I don't believe you can truly fathom how many people are looking forward to seeing you and your plane on the sacred ground at OSH next week. Take care and may your flyoff be un-eventful. I just returned from NWEAA, which is billed by them as the largest regional EAA fly-in. Attendance was down about 30% from last year. Personally, I think Sun N'Fun has that record for a regional. You are the talk of many NW builders. Unfortunately word of Roger Everson's loss of his RV-7 Subie Egg H4 supercharged 2.5L down in Arizona set things back. Do it right... fly safe. I am still trying to grasp the word that "Two weeks to Taxi" is available to RV-10 builders. Dave Saylor, VAN, Joe, John, and Rick must have given up trying to save the homebuilt industry for those select few, large production numbers offered by the capitalists. OSH '08 - maybe the FAA will do it right for a change. John Cox - KUAO #600 the old fashioned way -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Surreal experience realized today... 39 hours and 20 minutes to go, and if I follow the plan I will make it with a little to spare, but God controls the weather.....I think we will make the 40 hours and flying on Thursday evening and park at Eggenfellners booth. Dan N289DT Now Flying.. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: OSH RV-10 HQ Mid-Week Opening
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2007
We just added Bill Watson (#40605) as site number 17 to the RV-10 HQ gang at AirVenture. Unfortunately Bill is only staying through Tuesday or Wednesday. If you are showing up, want to camp and don't yet have a site - here's an opportunity. Contact Bill directly at Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com to work something out if interested - Tim will be updating the graphical view of site availability soon but I wanted to let folks know as soon as possible. Bob #40105 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124022#124022 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cablecraft Throttle, Prop & Mixture Cables
Date: Jul 15, 2007
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Dave McNeil posted an excellent post on the routing and potential conflict with pre-manufactured VANS control cables. I have their First Line source and have had many cables made to exact dimension to help with better routing and reduced friction. If any builders are interested... contact me offline or grab me on the ground at OSH '07. John Cox #600 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: Dan Masys <dmasys(at)cox.net>
Subject: Another RV-10 slips the surly bonds
At about 2 PM Sunday July 15th, about four hours after receiving its airworthiness certificate (and with a whole lot of reassembly help from RV-10 builder Brian Sutherland and members of EAA Chapter 162), N104LD (aka serial number 40448) launched skyward for the first time from John Tune airport in Nashville. Required a fair amount of right foot to keep the ball centered, with the factory new IO-540 and Hartzell blended airfoil prop, and averaged about 170 kts around the patch with its fairings on and 75% power. Definitely has that distinctive RV feel, though quite a bit heavier in the nose than the RV-7A. Pics of the takeoff, panel and post-flight RV grin attached. Only 24.5 hours to fly off by next weekend :) -Dan Masys RV-7A N747DL flying, RV-10 N104LD flying (just not at the same time ;-) ) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2007
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Another RV-10 slips the surly bonds
Congrats Dan, you'll need a couple extra days off work for those flyoff days, but it would be great to have you camped by 104LD if you get it completed! See you at the show either way, and welcome to the flying club! Tim Dan Masys wrote: > At about 2 PM Sunday July 15th, about four hours after receiving its > airworthiness certificate (and with a whole lot of reassembly help > from RV-10 builder Brian Sutherland and members of EAA Chapter 162), > N104LD (aka serial number 40448) launched skyward for the first time > from John Tune airport in Nashville. > > Required a fair amount of right foot to keep the ball centered, with > the factory new IO-540 and Hartzell blended airfoil prop, and > averaged about 170 kts around the patch with its fairings on and 75% > power. Definitely has that distinctive RV feel, though quite a bit > heavier in the nose than the RV-7A. > > Pics of the takeoff, panel and post-flight RV grin attached. > > Only 24.5 hours to fly off by next weekend :) > > -Dan Masys RV-7A N747DL flying, RV-10 N104LD flying (just not at the > same time ;-) ) > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Need someone to inspect my work
Date: Jul 15, 2007
Try contacting Jeff Point from EAA Chapter 18 out of Timmerman. He is a great guy, owns an RV-6 and is working on an 8. He did my first tech inspection. I live in Muskego, about the same distance you are from OSH only south. Jeff lives in Milwaukee. He may agree to fly up and check your work. I don't have his number handy, but anyone at EAA 18 should be able to get it for you. Google EAA Chapter 18. Dave Leikam 40496 ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholscatoauto(at)aol.com To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: RV10-List: Need someone to inspect my work Hello, I have been following the list for awhile but this is my first time posting. I have finished with my tail section and have started on my slow build wings and would like someone to check out my work. I have been in contact with the local EAA tech counselor but he is way to busy with his business to come by for a check. Tried three different times in the last 2 months to have him stop by. Since I only live about 1 hour drive from Oshkosh (Manitowoc area) I thought that if any of the -10 builders going to Oshkosh could spare part of a day they could stop by and inspect my work. I am pretty flexible the whole week and am not sure which days I will be attending so if anyone could help me out I could stop by and pick them up anytime. Thanks Jeff Nichols # 40648 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: For Sale
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
Ivo: You should also give some of your flyers to your friends who are attending and instruct them to staple the flyers to the several "airplanes for sale" bulletin boards that are on the Oshkosh show grounds. I always enjoy checking out those boards for all of the unique and interesting aircraft for sale. TDT 40025 (buildus interuptus in god-forsaken Ridgecrest, CA) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another RV-10 slips the surly bonds
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Wonderful smile and beautiful panel. Fly Safe. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 8:11 PM Subject: RV10-List: Another RV-10 slips the surly bonds At about 2 PM Sunday July 15th, about four hours after receiving its airworthiness certificate (and with a whole lot of reassembly help from RV-10 builder Brian Sutherland and members of EAA Chapter 162), N104LD (aka serial number 40448) launched skyward for the first time from John Tune airport in Nashville. Required a fair amount of right foot to keep the ball centered, with the factory new IO-540 and Hartzell blended airfoil prop, and averaged about 170 kts around the patch with its fairings on and 75% power. Definitely has that distinctive RV feel, though quite a bit heavier in the nose than the RV-7A. Pics of the takeoff, panel and post-flight RV grin attached. Only 24.5 hours to fly off by next weekend :) -Dan Masys RV-7A N747DL flying, RV-10 N104LD flying (just not at the same time ;-) ) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: windshield sight block
Date: Jul 16, 2007
I am about ready to install the windscreen. What have some of you done to hide the layup at the bottom of the windscreen that would be visible from inside the airplane. I know one possibility is tinting the resin black or another dark color. What about painting the inside surface of the Plexiglas? Does anyone know of an appropriate paint that will not damage the Plexiglas? Have others done something else? Thanks Dick Sipp 40065 N110DV body work ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: windshield sight block
I know of an RV-8 builder that used electrical tape on the inside - looks good too. Unless you know exactly the width of the offending layup, you may paint too much or too little...and that's after finding a paint that won't eat the plexi. My .02.... -----Original Message----- >From: Richard Sipp <rsipp(at)earthlink.net> >Sent: Jul 16, 2007 1:11 PM >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: windshield sight block > >I am about ready to install the windscreen. What have some of you done to hide the layup at the bottom of the windscreen that would be visible from inside the airplane. > >I know one possibility is tinting the resin black or another dark color. What about painting the inside surface of the Plexiglas? Does anyone know of an appropriate paint that will not damage the Plexiglas? > >Have others done something else? > >Thanks >Dick Sipp >40065 N110DV body work ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: windshield sight block
Date: Jul 16, 2007
You can paint the inside and match the edge from the outside. You can also not paint the inside and order Oregon Aero's glare-shield piece and it pretty much hides everything. On Jul 16, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Richard Sipp wrote: > I am about ready to install the windscreen. What have some of you > done to hide the layup at the bottom of the windscreen that would > be visible from inside the airplane. > > I know one possibility is tinting the resin black or another dark > color. What about painting the inside surface of the Plexiglas? > Does anyone know of an appropriate paint that will not damage the > Plexiglas? > > Have others done something else? > > Thanks > Dick Sipp > 40065 N110DV body work > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Firewall Forward heads up
Does anyone have photos of firewall penetration holes required for the quadrant? Thanks, Jay From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net> Subject: Firewall Forward heads up If you are using the IO540 and the quadrant, be advised to adjust the cables at the throttle quadrant end for maximum length. Also note that when using the inverted V pattern through the firewall you will be crossing the throttle and mixture cables as the throttle is right side and the mixture is left side forward of the firewall. This works to effectively shorten the cables. It appears that in my case the cables can be effectively lengthened by about 1 inch but will require about 2 extra hours of labor to remove them enough to work on the length. Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: windshield sight block
Rob, tell me more about the Glareshield. I went to their web site and couldn't find it. I'm VERY interested!!! Deems Davis # 406 Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff http://deemsrv10.com/ Rob Kermanj wrote: > You can paint the inside and match the edge from the outside. You can > also not paint the inside and order Oregon Aero's glare-shield piece > and it pretty much hides everything. > > * > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Stella" <sstella(at)incisaledge.com>
Subject: Goo Gone?
Date: Jul 16, 2007
I used MEK and Goo Gone and I found MEK to work better. Steve 40654 Emp. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Moon Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: RV10-List: Goo Gone? I need to remove tape residue from my wing spar. I was thinking of using Goo Gone to do it but wanted to know if anybody knows of any ill effects from doing this. Any issues? Is there something that would be more appropriate to use? Thanks. --Shawn 40366 - Wings _____ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48516/*http:/surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_pan el_invite.asp?a=7%20> Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <jim(at)CombsFive.Com>
Subject: Re: windshield sight block
Date: Jul 16, 2007
The plans call for painting the first three inches of the inside of the windshield. Thats what I did with the same paint I used on the interior. I masked off the rest of the windshield, roughed up the plexi, then primed and and painted. I used a light grey for the interior and it looks ok on the perimeter of the inside. Jim Combs 40192 - Finish kit =========================================================== From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net> Date: 2007/07/16 Mon PM 01:11:34 EDT Subject: RV10-List: windshield sight block I am about ready to install the windscreen. What have some of you done to hide the layup at the bottom of the windscreen that would be visible from inside the airplane. I know one possibility is tinting the resin black or another dark color. What about painting the inside surface of the Plexiglas? Does anyone know of an appropriate paint that will not damage the Plexiglas? Have others done something else? Thanks Dick Sipp 40065 N110DV body work =========================================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Another RV-10 slips the surly bonds
Dan, WELL DONE! Boy all you guys finishing are sure giving me a case of 'get finished-itis' Deems ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: *** Extra OSH RV-10 HQ Site ***
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2007
Because of the way things are layed out this year we were able to temporarily stake out an extra site. If anybody is interested let me know ASAP. We will probably not get away with holding it for more than a couple of days. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124235#124235 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Surreal experience realized today...
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>
Just remember when you get yours done the Paint will be complete and the interior done. Unfortunately for me, my painter did not see the need to hurry and put a 30 day delay in the project, so once I made the decision to steal the plane back things went quickly, but she has painted wings but not the fuselage. She is flying and performing great, and she will get her paint completed in late August at a shop down in Florida that painted the S&F award winner. I look forward to meeting you in person, stop by the campsite and we will share a cold one, and talk RV's! Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:48 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Surreal experience realized today... Dan, I really didn't think you'd make it before OSH, (probably just jealous) but I'm mighty glad you did. Looking forward to seeing you and you're plane. CONGRATULATIONS Deems Davis # 406 Engine / Wiring and Panel Stuff http://deemsrv10.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rvmail(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ Updated Maps
Date: Jul 17, 2007
http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/fly-ins.htm > > From: "Tom Deutsch" <deutscht(at)rhwhotels.com> > Date: 2007/07/17 Tue AM 07:45:28 EST > To: > Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ Updated Maps > > > Where does Van hold his picnic? Does one need to pre-register? > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Eric Parlow" <ericparlow(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: New 540 engine for sale
Date: Jul 17, 2007
I have a Factory New O-540-A4D5 engine for sale. I purchased it for my RV-10 which is behind schedule and will not require an engine until next year. It is identical to an O-540-E4A5 except the data plate rpm rating, 2575 vs 2700. Easily converted to an IO-540-D4A5 with an Airflow Performance fuel system for ~$3,300 See: http://www.airflowperformance.com/html/kits_lycoming_01.html Price: $27,000, FOB, Lycoming's dock in Williamsport, PA Eric Parlow RV-10, N104EP (828) 777-7976 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Found someone to inspect my work
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: nicholscatoauto(at)aol.com
Hi, I have talked to John Cox and he has graciously offered to come to my house on Sat. before?OSH starts and look over my project. I would like to thank everyone else that has offered to help. I am looking forward to meeting John and hearing what he has to say about my project. Thanks again, Jeff Nichols Working on my wings. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Surreal experience realized today...
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
>> shop down in Florida that painted the S&F award winner. Dan, What does a award winning paint job go for these days for a -10? Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Surreal experience realized today...
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>
We are doing our best, The flights continue and we are learning more with every one. The RV7 H4 was lost because he had an overboost situation because of a failed waste gate servo. The servo had popped the breaker twice, but was tested after each overload by the builder, and thought to be safe and undamaged, apparently it was not still in a good enough condition. The scary part of this is I do not know if any of use would have thought differently, after all the CB is there to protect the wire and an overcurrent situation and the device worked during testing. Just goes to show that even those that are prepared 110% are still susceptible to unexpected failures. The pilot was okay, so he can rebuild, still a major lose, but he lives to build again. We have a local WWI builder, Fred Murrin, he has built a Fokker Tri-plane used in the discovery movie about the Red Baron, and he has also spent the past two decades building a Sopwith F-1 Camel. Fred is the pilot's pilot, one of the worlds most knowledgeable Rotary engine experts. He rebuilds them from the 1920's, restoring them from the ground up, making the parts that do not pass inspection, for people around the world, most recently Peter Jackson, from the Lord of the Rings Trilogy had him building an engine for him. Fred has the experience, the skills and the drive to successfully build a plane, but unfortunately on Friday he was flying his Sopwith Camel for its 3rd flight and on a go around the engine quit and he crashed. Fortunately he survived, with major injury's, but he survived. Heart breaking for sure to see a 20 year project laying broken in a corn field, but he will rebuild. Lets all keep this into perspective as we get ready to travel to Osh Kosh. Tim has posted several must reads, and the NOTAM is out there. Lets keep our ego's out of the cockpit and fly safe and smart, and keep our heads on a swivel as we go into the busiest airspace in the world next week. This will be the first time I get to go there in a plane I built and I would hate for me to be the cause of any angst for anyone, so I am doing my best due diligence to be prepared and ready for anything as I safely approach the area. I would ask any and all that are reading this list and attending the show, follow the recommendations of your fellow pilots and read all of the available information for a safe flight. I look forward to seeing and meeting everyone at the show this year, Fly safe and Godspeed to everyone. Dan N289DT RV10E Flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:35 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Surreal experience realized today... Dan, congratulations on a most important milestone in RV-10 building. I don't believe you can truly fathom how many people are looking forward to seeing you and your plane on the sacred ground at OSH next week. Take care and may your flyoff be un-eventful. I just returned from NWEAA, which is billed by them as the largest regional EAA fly-in. Attendance was down about 30% from last year. Personally, I think Sun N'Fun has that record for a regional. You are the talk of many NW builders. Unfortunately word of Roger Everson's loss of his RV-7 Subie Egg H4 supercharged 2.5L down in Arizona set things back. Do it right... fly safe. I am still trying to grasp the word that "Two weeks to Taxi" is available to RV-10 builders. Dave Saylor, VAN, Joe, John, and Rick must have given up trying to save the homebuilt industry for those select few, large production numbers offered by the capitalists. OSH '08 - maybe the FAA will do it right for a change. John Cox - KUAO #600 the old fashioned way -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R. Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Surreal experience realized today... 39 hours and 20 minutes to go, and if I follow the plan I will make it with a little to spare, but God controls the weather.....I think we will make the 40 hours and flying on Thursday evening and park at Eggenfellners booth. Dan N289DT Now Flying.. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Brian Douglas" <bsponcil(at)belinblank.org>
Subject: Pre-OSH Pool Party
Date: Jul 17, 2007
A friend of mine owns an aviation themed hotel here at KIOW and always hosts a pre-OSH pool party. Anyway, he asked me to post this to the list. The price is right (read: free). There'll be a couple of -10 builders there this year myself included. Anyway, if you're flying from the West and have time on Saturday feel free to stop by. -Brian ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cabin top - starting fiberglass work - itchhhhhhy
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2007
I am getting started on trimming the cabin top. The book says trim the rear part of the cabin top and the window frames to 3/4'. They also say trim to the scribe line which is 7/8" or thereabouts. I spoke to Gus at " Vans who said that 3/4" is plenty of flange. If I trim to 3/4" which seems to be the logical decision at this point, will I have any installation problems? Is this adequate flange? See you all at OSH -------- OSH '08 or Bust Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124409#124409 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: : RV10-List:Plane Power Alternator
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: "Tom Deutsch" <deutscht(at)rhwhotels.com>
Had my Plane Power alternator fail this weekend. Needed my plane this week for business and next week for OSH. Sent to Plane Power yesterday and they didn't have the part on hand to fix. So they are sending me a brand new alternator to get me going again. As has been mentioned before it is great to do business with folks in this business that stand behind their products. They are great people to work with. Tom Deutsch, N588RV From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Douglas Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: RV10-List: Pre-OSH Pool Party A friend of mine owns an aviation themed hotel here at KIOW and always hosts a pre-OSH pool party. Anyway, he asked me to post this to the list. The price is right (read: free). There'll be a couple of -10 builders there this year myself included. Anyway, if you're flying from the West and have time on Saturday feel free to stop by. -Brian ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: windshield sight block
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>
Hey Froggy I bought a can of flat black from Michael's craft store and cut off a corner for testing. Did not see any distortions, but it would peel easy, so I took the lay-ups that Vans recommends, and placed them minus the epoxy on the screen to get the paint to line. Then I taped from that line up a couple of inches on the inside and roughed it up with 120 grit, cleaned it up, then kept spraying coats of paint until the lines went away, came out real nice, then I used Ricks trick to hide the fillet at the bottom, he used a nice Nylon rope to fill the tope of the gap, that way you can remove it and the bugs at a future date. I found out about Dana's trick on the black tint to late to put it in, but that would have worked to. Dan N289DT RV10E Flying _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sipp Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: windshield sight block I am about ready to install the windscreen. What have some of you done to hide the layup at the bottom of the windscreen that would be visible from inside the airplane. I know one possibility is tinting the resin black or another dark color. What about painting the inside surface of the Plexiglas? Does anyone know of an appropriate paint that will not damage the Plexiglas? Have others done something else? Thanks Dick Sipp 40065 N110DV body work ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Cabin top - starting fiberglass work - itchhhhhhy
Date: Jul 17, 2007
The only thing I can add to the dimension mentioned is that my right side seemed to not go down all the way so in essence, the joggle was not all the way down to the aluminum fuse side. So you may opt to leave the right side 1/16th -1/8" longer. You will be taking the cabin top on/off so many times that leaving it slightly long will not hurt. A Jig saw or saws all works great to cut outside the lines you draw, then follow up with a grinder with 40 or 60 grit sandpaper. For the areas around the metal fuse where the cabin top fits down onto the metal fuse, a belt sander with 60 grit works great. Wait for fitting the windscreen, that will go on/off even more than the cabin top. John G. >From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> >Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Cabin top - starting fiberglass work - itchhhhhhy >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:56:47 -0700 > > >I am getting started on trimming the cabin top. The book says trim the rear >part of the cabin top and the window frames to 3/4'. They also say trim to >the scribe line which is 7/8" or thereabouts. I spoke to Gus at " Vans who >said that 3/4" is plenty of flange. > >If I trim to 3/4" which seems to be the logical decision at this point, >will I have any installation problems? Is this adequate flange? > >See you all at OSH > >-------- >OSH '08 or Bust > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124409#124409 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Surreal experience realized today...
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>
That I do not know as he only has to paint a fuselage and emp, but I will send an email and get a quote. What I did find out when calling around is that it is a wide variable depending on what you wanted them to do on the body work. If you have it nice and smooth, with very little work to do you are looking at $6-7K, but if you need more filler and have allot of smiles to fix, and do not know anything about fiberglass like me, then you can count on a couple of extra thousand. All the painters I talked to though were time and materials, so the wide variables really depend on how much of the prep you do before. Me, I am not a finish guy, so I would gladly spend more money not to have to sand, where Tim was willing to spend the time and effort to get his done. I just do not have that patience/ ability to get the fiberglass to look right, I tried and then had a guy show me from the local boat shop. I got so itchy and a wicked rash on my arms, so I stopped and left it to the professionals. Come by and look at the wings and you will see what I mean compared to the fuselage. Dan N289DT RV10E Flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:40 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Surreal experience realized today... >> shop down in Florida that painted the S&F award winner. Dan, What does a award winning paint job go for these days for a -10? Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cabin top - starting fiberglass work - itchhhhhhy
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>
I left excessive flange just to make sure. The only area I cut close on was the outside of the doorframes, everything else I left long. On my top, I was not happy with their scribe lines, so used theirs and left them wide for final fitting after the fact. If I had cut to the measurements I would have been short in many areas. Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: RV10-List: Cabin top - starting fiberglass work - itchhhhhhy I am getting started on trimming the cabin top. The book says trim the rear part of the cabin top and the window frames to 3/4'. They also say trim to the scribe line which is 7/8" or thereabouts. I spoke to Gus at " Vans who said that 3/4" is plenty of flange. If I trim to 3/4" which seems to be the logical decision at this point, will I have any installation problems? Is this adequate flange? See you all at OSH -------- OSH '08 or Bust Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124409#124409 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cabin top - starting fiberglass work - itchhhhhhy
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>
Now see you did not recommend the 1-1/8" belt sander from Makita. I love that tool, and I think any RV10 cabin top builder should have one, makes the door openings a no brainer and really helps later with the cowl! Dan N289DT RV10E Flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:43 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cabin top - starting fiberglass work - itchhhhhhy The only thing I can add to the dimension mentioned is that my right side seemed to not go down all the way so in essence, the joggle was not all the way down to the aluminum fuse side. So you may opt to leave the right side 1/16th -1/8" longer. You will be taking the cabin top on/off so many times that leaving it slightly long will not hurt. A Jig saw or saws all works great to cut outside the lines you draw, then follow up with a grinder with 40 or 60 grit sandpaper. For the areas around the metal fuse where the cabin top fits down onto the metal fuse, a belt sander with 60 grit works great. Wait for fitting the windscreen, that will go on/off even more than the cabin top. John G. >From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> >Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Cabin top - starting fiberglass work - itchhhhhhy >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:56:47 -0700 > > >I am getting started on trimming the cabin top. The book says trim the rear >part of the cabin top and the window frames to 3/4'. They also say trim to >the scribe line which is 7/8" or thereabouts. I spoke to Gus at " Vans who >said that 3/4" is plenty of flange. > >If I trim to 3/4" which seems to be the logical decision at this point, >will I have any installation problems? Is this adequate flange? > >See you all at OSH > >-------- >OSH '08 or Bust > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124409#124409 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2007
Subject: Re: New 540 engine for sale
Eric, It's Patrick Scott...EAA 240, we visited you last year...I might be interested... Moving back to IL soon, though... Patrick ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Soaring, its not just a carefree ride.
Date: Jul 17, 2007
I wanted to share something with some other pilots. I was hoping that eventhough many of you have no interest in soaring, some might appreciate this write up. For me, I am interested in anything that flies. On July 5th several of the pilots I soar with in Southern California were able to take advantage of a perfect weather storm. I was on a quick family vacation, so I missed a weather event that occurs once ever so many years. One of our pilots glided 690 statute miles. This write up is from another pilot in the group that opted to go a different direction from the others on that day. John Gonzalez #409 FROM MIKE KOERNER: Congratulations to Norm and Barry; and a big "Wow" to Jim Ketcham for the longest flight from Crystal... ever! I have a couple of thermodynamic questions, the first of which consumed a significant portion of cognitive capability on July 5th: It's a little after 1 pm. You're near Baker at 2700 feet. You've been working close in on a pile of black rocks in a band between 2500 and 3500 msl for over an hour. Your crew reports 124 degrees in the shade (a new record). If possible, you'd like to avoid getting mired in the soft asphalt at the local airfield. Despite a white brimmed hat and long sleeve white shirt, you're absorbing considerable solar radiation through your sailplane's huge canopy. In fact, every time you reach forward to adjust the flap handle your seat belt buckle sears your belly. And though fairly sedate, your body is still generating significant heat. Perspiration is life - its evaporation is your only hope for maintaining a functional body temperature. For the most part the transpiration is imperceptible in the ultra dry air, though a small rivulet running down your forehead and across your eyebrow has made it nearly impossible to open your right eye. Now for the question: Is it better to open the scoop on your canopy vent or leave it closed? In other words, is forced convection beneficial under these conditions, or just a faster way of cooking? My second question is admittedly a bit more academic, having only flashed to mind in a moment of lightheadedness: If I hadn't dumped my ballast while thermal soaking the aircraft as described in the above example, and before stumbling into strong lift which appeared to reach far into positive controlled airspace, how high could I have gone before the water in my wings started to boil? Mike Koerner ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Soaring, its not just a carefree ride.
Sounds like a hell of an inversion before things broke loose! Com'on John, where's the flying story? I tried to find that link to the Crystal-fly-high-go-far contingent but couldn't. ...and the answers to the heat stroke inspired Qs - open the vent and the real question is "how high before it all freezes?" Bill "even us Maule drivers and '10 bangers know real flying when we see it" Watson John Gonzalez wrote: > > I wanted to share something with some other pilots. I was hoping that > eventhough many of you have no interest in soaring, some might > appreciate this write up. For me, I am interested in anything that flies. > > On July 5th several of the pilots I soar with in Southern California > were able to take advantage of a perfect weather storm. I was on a > quick family vacation, so I missed a weather event that occurs once > ever so many years. One of our pilots glided 690 statute miles. > > This write up is from another pilot in the group that opted to go a > different direction from the others on that day. > > John Gonzalez #409 > > FROM MIKE KOERNER: > > Congratulations to Norm and Barry; and a big "Wow" to Jim Ketcham for the > longest flight from Crystal... ever! > > I have a couple of thermodynamic questions, the first of which consumed a > significant portion of cognitive capability on July 5th: > It's a little after 1 pm. You're near Baker at 2700 feet. You've been > working close in on a pile of black rocks in a band between 2500 and 3500 > msl for over an hour. > Your crew reports 124 degrees in the shade (a new record). > If possible, you'd like to avoid getting mired in the soft asphalt at the > local airfield. > Despite a white brimmed hat and long sleeve white shirt, you're absorbing > considerable solar radiation through your sailplane's huge canopy. In > fact, > every time you reach forward to adjust the flap handle your seat belt > buckle > sears your belly. > And though fairly sedate, your body is still generating significant heat. > Perspiration is life - its evaporation is your only hope for > maintaining a > functional body temperature. For the most part the transpiration is > imperceptible in the ultra dry air, though a small rivulet running > down your > forehead and across your eyebrow has made it nearly impossible to open > your > right eye. > Now for the question: Is it better to open the scoop on your canopy > vent or > leave it closed? In other words, is forced convection beneficial under > these > conditions, or just a faster way of cooking? > > My second question is admittedly a bit more academic, having only > flashed to > mind in a moment of lightheadedness: > If I hadn't dumped my ballast while thermal soaking the aircraft as > described in the above example, and before stumbling into strong lift > which > appeared to reach far into positive controlled airspace, how high could I > have gone before the water in my wings started to boil? > > Mike Koerner > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2007
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Subject: Baggage door seal angle
On page 29-6, does anyone know if the 1/16" inset of the F-10102A and B baggage door seal angles, takes into account any type of rubber seal or not? It seems like most rubber seals would require much more space than that. Doesn't seem sufficent, or the baggage door might bulge out too much if you add a seal. Also, since this is the upper baggage door seal, you would want a good seal to keep out moisture. Any thoughts? Jae #40533 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N289DT RV10E Pictures
Date: Jul 18, 2007
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>
I sent the pictures to Matt so that a photo share could be created, that way I am not forcing my pictures on anyone. If anyone wants them quicker than the photo share is available let me know and I will send them direct. Dan > Dan Lloyd Director of Information Technology > Werner Company > 93 Werner Road > Greenville, PA 16125 > > lloyddr(at)wernerco.com > 1-724-588-2000 *2408 work > 1-724-988-9230 cell > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Lyco Documentation
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>
G'day all, I just took delivery of my IO540 (experimental) from Vans. On opening the box, the engine has been beautifully hermetically sealed and pickled for long term storage, there were boxes containg the injector, mounting ears and oil filter. But the documentation appeared to be very scarce. There does not appear to be a contents list. For those who have received similar engines, what docs did you receive and where were they hidden? Cheers, Ron ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: Dan Masys <dmasys(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Lyco Documentation
G'day Ron, There should be a large envelope that has all of the installation instructions, relevant Service Bulletins, and some specific data for the test cell results of your particular engine. Contains a new engine logbook, and also a Lycoming 540 User instructions manual that is a small three ring binder. Mine also came with a couple of bags of installation hardware (nuts, bolts) and a spare oil filter fastened to the pallet. -Dan Masys N104LD half way to out of the phase I box. ---- "McGANN wrote: > > G'day all, > > I just took delivery of my IO540 (experimental) from Vans. On opening > the box, the engine has been beautifully hermetically sealed and pickled > for long term storage, there were boxes containg the injector, mounting > ears and oil filter. But the documentation appeared to be very scarce. > There does not appear to be a contents list. For those who have > received similar engines, what docs did you receive and where were they > hidden? > > Cheers, > Ron > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Lyco Documentation
Date: Jul 18, 2007
You can also get the IO540 wide deck overhaul manual and parts guide and 3 years of updates from Lycoming for about $100. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lyco Documentation G'day Ron, There should be a large envelope that has all of the installation instructions, relevant Service Bulletins, and some specific data for the test cell results of your particular engine. Contains a new engine logbook, and also a Lycoming 540 User instructions manual that is a small three ring binder. Mine also came with a couple of bags of installation hardware (nuts, bolts) and a spare oil filter fastened to the pallet. -Dan Masys N104LD half way to out of the phase I box. ---- "McGANN wrote: > > G'day all, > > I just took delivery of my IO540 (experimental) from Vans. On opening > the box, the engine has been beautifully hermetically sealed and pickled > for long term storage, there were boxes containg the injector, mounting > ears and oil filter. But the documentation appeared to be very scarce. > There does not appear to be a contents list. For those who have > received similar engines, what docs did you receive and where were they > hidden? > > Cheers, > Ron > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Hertner" <effectus(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Smart Aircraft Management Systems
Date: Jul 19, 2007
I would like to invite all RV-10 builders who are attending Oshkosh this year to see a new advanced electrical system architecture that we have been developing over the last couple of years. We will have an interactive display set up at Cleaveland Aircraft Tools' booth for the entire show this year. The overall system includes: An Electrical System Fuel Gauge (Tells you how many minutes of battery life you have left after losing an alternator) Alternator Over-Voltage Protection Solid State Switching (No Relays) Solid State Circuit Breakers (No Fuses or Mechanical Breakers) Low Voltage Warning No Voltage Transients During Starting (Go ahead and start with your electronics on) Electrical System Fault Detection and Warning System Usable Battery Power is Increased by 10% or More Smart Alternator Regulator that Increases Battery Life and Reduces Alternator Load Smart Alternator Protects Alternator from Over Temperature Supports Internally and Externally Regulated Alternators as well as Our Smart Regulator System Can be Scaled for the needs of Simple VFR to Complex IFR I will be at the show all week to introduce the system to you and to get your feedback. We are currently in the process of solidifying the design so your input and comments are greatly appreciated at this point. I will be spending some time at the "RV-10 HQ" so grab me and I'll tell you more about this very cool system. See you there. Dave Hertner #40164 Wiring the Wings ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Smart Aircraft Management Systems
Sorry I won't see you at OSH. Since your web site isn't working ..... got any more info and pricing??? Linn David Hertner wrote: > I would like to invite all RV-10 builders who are attending Oshkosh > this year to see a new advanced electrical system architecture that we > have been developing over the last couple of years. We will have an > interactive display set up at Cleaveland Aircraft Tools' booth for the > entire show this year. > > The overall system includes: > > An Electrical System Fuel Gauge (Tells you how many minutes of battery > life you have left after losing an alternator) > > Alternator Over-Voltage Protection > > Solid State Switching (No Relays) > > Solid State Circuit Breakers (No Fuses or Mechanical Breakers) > > Low Voltage Warning > > No Voltage Transients During Starting (Go ahead and start with your > electronics on) > > Electrical System Fault Detection and Warning System > > Usable Battery Power is Increased by 10% or More > > Smart Alternator Regulator that Increases Battery Life and Reduces > Alternator Load > > Smart Alternator Protects Alternator from Over Temperature > > Supports Internally and Externally Regulated Alternators as well as > Our Smart Regulator > > System Can be Scaled for the needs of Simple VFR to Complex IFR > > I will be at the show all week to introduce the system to you and to > get your feedback. We are currently in the process of solidifying the > design so your input and comments are greatly appreciated at this point. > > I will be spending some time at the "RV-10 HQ" so grab me and I'll > tell you more about this very cool system. > > See you there. > > Dave Hertner > #40164 > Wiring the Wings ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: "ivo welch" <ivowel(at)gmail.com>
Subject: oshkosh favor
dear rv-10 list readers---since I got no response, can I offer $100 for someone who goes to oshkosh, to put up a small folding table, and put "RV-10 for-sale" flyers up for me? If you can do me this favor, please drop me an email. sincerely, /iaw ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Axle Extensions available at Cleaveland Tool
Many may remember and many actually have a set of those axle extensions that I had machined earlier this year. It was something I did as a one-shot deal just to keep the manufacturing costs down by doing it as a group. Since then, occasionally people still ask if I have them available. Well, enterprising Dave Hertner decided to take that design and work with Cleaveland Aircraft Tools to try to bring them to production for people who still wanted to buy them, and now they're getting ready to start taking orders for them. He just let me know that the price should be around $52 for the pair and hardware like I packaged. Cleaveland Tools will have them examples at their booth (bus) at OSH for people who want to see them up close, and they'll be available sometime after the show. So you've now got another option for still getting these things. I believe that they will be basically the same design, but he has not told me if they changed it in any way. And no, unfortunately I don't think I get any royalties. ;) -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-10 High Back - Back Seat Frames at Osh
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: "James, Peter [SD]" <Peter.James(at)sprint.com>
Hello -10 builders, I was unhappy with the back seat frames supplied in my -10 kit. So I designed a high back back seat set and worked with a local machine shop to create the tooling to make them. They are a 60/40 split frame and designed to match the front seats. They have square chrome-moly tube back frames, with round tube headrests, just like the front seats. The frame is black powder coat, while the aluminum seat back has been powder-coated with translucent gold so it is almost an exact match of the front seats. The frames will be fastened at the bottom with the standard piano hinge configuration as supplied in the kit. The idea is that you can take these frames to anyone and have them covered to match your interior without having to be locked into one upholstery vendor. At this point, the proto-type frames will be at Oshkosh at the Cleveland Tool booth. We got them done just in time for the trip to Wisconsin. The finished product will be a bit better, as the seat panels will be cut with a water jet for a more exact fit. Due to timing, we have not created, not determined the cushion or padding configuration. Mike Lauritsen, Cleveland Tool, is running an Oshkosh special on the frames of $425, with a price of $450 after August 1. Sorry I forgot to bring the pictures to the office so that I could post them. I'll try and do this before I leave for OSH tomorrow night. I will be at Osh all week. I won't be camping at HQ, as I will be camping with Chapter 135 and the Replica Fighters, but do feel free to call my cell phone listed below. Hope to see you all there! Pete James, #40100 - 90% done, 90% to go! Finalizing the panel decisions this week. (Just can't stop customizing, Grr!) RVPilot(at)mchsi.com 515-327-3939 Desk 515-991-5542 PCS Cell Phone peter.james(at)sprint.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: How's the balance with the Egg?
Date: Jul 19, 2007
With all the airplanes flying I think it would valuable to know how the CGs are coming out. Perhaps those with completed airplanes could report their empty weight, CG location, and a note or two about dual batteries etc. that might contribute to CG locations that differ significantly from the prototype. How about a data base on someone's web site? Dick Sipp 40065 Finishing frenzie ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: How's the balance with the Egg?
Dan Checkoway's already got one on his site. Tim's posted his and a few other -10 'flyers' http://www.rvproject.com/wab/ Deems Davis # 406 Cowl mod for ram air http://deemsrv10.com/ Richard Sipp wrote: > > With all the airplanes flying I think it would valuable to know how > the CGs are coming out. > > Perhaps those with completed airplanes could report their empty > weight, CG location, and a note or two about dual batteries etc. that > might contribute to CG locations that differ significantly from the > prototype. > > How about a data base on someone's web site? > > Dick Sipp > 40065 > Finishing frenzie > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Subject: Re: Baggage door seal angle
thanks for the reply. it appears there are enough options to get a foam type seal to squish into 1/16". sticking with the plans... Jae #40533 Getting beat up by the fuse! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: Aaron Gleixner <aarongleixner(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Lyco Documentation
I just received my engine this week from Lycoming and was also surprised at lack of paperwork. It was the experimental version of the engine. No installation instructions, just the engine run pages, a couple of service instructions, and an engine log. No users manual in 3 ring binder like I got with the O-360 when I built my RV-8A a few years back. Wonder if the reduced paperwork is due to the experimental designation? You can also get the IO540 wide deck overhaul manual and parts guide and 3 years of updates from Lycoming for about $100. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lyco Documentation G'day Ron, There should be a large envelope that has all of the installation instructions, relevant Service Bulletins, and some specific data for the test cell results of your particular engine. Contains a new engine logbook, and also a Lycoming 540 User instructions manual that is a small three ring binder. Mine also came with a couple of bags of installation hardware (nuts, bolts) and a spare oil filter fastened to the pallet. -Dan Masys N104LD half way to out of the phase I box. ---- "McGANN wrote: > > G'day all, > > I just took delivery of my IO540 (experimental) from Vans. On opening > the box, the engine has been beautifully hermetically sealed and pickled > for long term storage, there were boxes containg the injector, mounting > ears and oil filter. But the documentation appeared to be very scarce. > There does not appear to be a contents list. For those who have > received similar engines, what docs did you receive and where were they > hidden? > > Cheers, > Ron > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Lyco Documentation
Date: Jul 20, 2007
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>
Aaron, at least I received a nice DVD that had some useful videos for blackhander newbies like me. Here is the response from Lycoming: "The operators manual, log book, etc for the engine are in a white plastic envelope that is attached to the top of the engine inside the box with a zip tie. Please advise if you cannot find this. Thank you." the operator's manual was not inlcuded so I have asked for one, even though one or two fellow listers have been immensely helpful with their offlist responses. cheers, Ron ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner Sent: Friday, 20 July 2007 11:09 AM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Lyco Documentation I just received my engine this week from Lycoming and was also surprised at lack of paperwork. It was the experimental version of the engine. No installation instructions, just the engine run pages, a couple of service instructions, and an engine log. No users manual in 3 ring binder like I got with the O-360 when I built my RV-8A a few years back. Wonder if the reduced paperwork is due to the experimental designation? David McNeill wrote: You can also get the IO540 wide deck overhaul manual and parts guide and 3 years of updates from Lycoming for about $100. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:48 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lyco Documentation G'day Ron, There should be a large envelope that has all of the installation instructions, relevant Service Bulletins, and some specific data for the test cell results of your particular engine. Contains a new engine logbook, and also a Lycoming 540 User instructions manual that is a small three ring binder. Mine also came with a couple of bags of installation hardware (nuts, bolts) and a spare oil filter fastened to the pallet. -Dan Masys N104LD half way to out of the phase I box. ---- "McGANN wrote: > > G'day all, > > I just took delivery of my IO540 (experimental) from Vans. On opening > the box, the engine has been beautifully hermetically sealed and pickled > for long term storage, there were boxes page, Forums! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Subject: RV-10 MT Propeller TBO
Hi All, The MT Propeller for the RV-10 (MTV-12-B/193-53) now has a flight hour TBO of 1800 flight hours. Regards, Jim Ayers ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2007
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: OSH Planning Materials
Tim et al., is there anything planned for group RV-10 parking in the RV se ction? =0AWill my HBP sign get me behind the Van's tent near the forums? Just wondering. =0A =0AScott Schmidt=0ACell 801-718-1277=0Ascottmschmidt@y ahoo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV 10.com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, July 20, 2007 8:55:18 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: OSH Planning Materials=0A=0A=0A--> RV10-List mess age posted by: Tim Olson =0A=0AI've completed my final big update of the builders list with=0Alots of planning info available. Some o f it is directly=0Aavailable off the EAA site too, but some things, like th e=0AVendor list for 2007, I've reprocessed into a perhaps more=0Aprinter-fr iendly or portable version.=0A=0AOn the list are now:=0A=0A2007 Vendor List =0AHangar A=0AHangar B=0AHangar C=0AHangar D=0ANorth Aircraft Area=0AMain A C Area=0AOSH 2007 Planning Guide=0AAirventure Evening Activities Schedule =0AOSH 2007 Day by Day Schedule=0ACamp Scholler Map=0AAirventure Grounds Ma ps=0ATransportation Map / Airventure Services Map=0ACrafts Class Schedule =0ARV-10 HQ Scholler Printable Map=0A=0AHopefully that info will help you p lan for the show, and have=0Athe materials you need to find the vendors you most want to=0Asee.=0A=0AWe'll attempt the 10am meeting time thing daily a t Van's again=0Athis year. I may not make them all, but I'll make some of them.=0AIf you're a builders-list person, you may want to grab some=0Aconta ct numbers of people to take with you so that you can get a=0Ahold of peopl e by cell while you're at the show.=0A=0AI'll also be doing my best to get some photos and do a few updates=0Awhile I'm at the show, but I'm not sure if the EAA is finally on the=0Aball with wireless available yet, so I may b e stuck with a slow=0Acell link. At any rate, y'all know where the campsit es are now,=0Aso there isn't a whole lot of mystery left other than which =0Arows the RV-10's will be parked in. You'll probably find=0Amost of them in the same general area, except for the HBC (homebuilt=0Acamping) -10's.. .those will probably just be out in the HBC area=0Aand will probably be mor e scattered by arrival date/time.=0A=0AI look forward to meeting many more of you in person, and if you=0Ahave kids 5-10, bring them along as my kids would love a good=0Agroup to play with. There's plenty to do for everyone. =0A=0AAs a repeat, here are some links:=0ACampsite photos=0Ahttp://www.myrv 10.com/miscphotos/OSH2007/index.html=0A=0ALarger Scholler map (Print this a nd bring it along if you'd like)=0Ahttp://www.myrv10.com/osh/Scholler_OSH20 07_RV10HQ.jpg=0A=0AOverhead Photo of the area=0Ahttp://www.myrv10.com/osh/2 007_Aerial_View_Campsite.jpg=0A=0ASmaller RV-10 HQ map=0Ahttp://www.myrv10. com/osh/OSH_RV10_HQ_MAP_2007_A.jpg=0A=0AA sweet little vendor list:=0Ahttp: //www.myrv10.com/osh/2007_OSH_Vendor_List.html=0A=0A=0A-- =0ATim Olson - RV =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: jdalton77(at)comcast.net
Subject: Best site for real-time IFR flight tracking?
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Hey all, We've been using FlightAware.com to let people track our IFR flights but would prefer real time (actually, my wife would like it, I don't care while I'm the one flying . . . ). Anyone know of such a site (free is better . . .) Jeff Dalton Wings ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Best site for real-time IFR flight tracking?
From: "N777TY" <microsmurfer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2007
flightaware is about as real time as it gets.... they all get the same feed from same ATC source... so I don't think you'll get any one to be more real time than the other. -------- RV-7A N777TY (res) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125036#125036 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: billet aircraft handles
Date: Jul 21, 2007
I apologize for the wasted bandwidth, as I know some people get uptight about commercial use of the list (rightfully so...) that being said, I had designed a custom rv-10 billet aluminum handle and install kit and posted some preproduction photos a few months back. I had a lot of interest and had compiled a list of interested people. Unfortunately I lost(fried) the computer that held that information. If you were/are interested please drop me a new e-mail or visit the website. Note: the price is reduced by 150 bucks for the first run!! Steven dinieri 40205 Iflyrv10.com capsteve(at)adelphia.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: billet aircraft handles
Date: Jul 21, 2007
I am interested. What will the first run price be? David Maib 40559 QB wings On Jul 21, 2007, at 7:24 PM, Steven DiNieri wrote: > > > I apologize for the wasted bandwidth, as I know some people get > uptight > about commercial use of the list (rightfully so...) that being > said, I had > designed a custom rv-10 billet aluminum handle and install kit and > posted > some preproduction photos a few months back. I had a lot of > interest and had > compiled a list of interested people. Unfortunately I lost(fried) the > computer that held that information. If you were/are interested > please drop > me a new e-mail or visit the website. > Note: the price is reduced by 150 bucks for the first run!! > Steven dinieri > 40205 > Iflyrv10.com > capsteve(at)adelphia.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: billet aircraft handles
Date: Jul 22, 2007
Hi David, they're 450 a pair, and that includes handles, cut template, pushrod attach saddles, pushrod guide, linkages, photo install manual and screws/washers. Thanks, Steve dinieri 40205 Iflyrv10.com capsteve(at)adelphia.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Maib Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles I am interested. What will the first run price be? David Maib 40559 QB wings On Jul 21, 2007, at 7:24 PM, Steven DiNieri wrote: > > > I apologize for the wasted bandwidth, as I know some people get > uptight about commercial use of the list (rightfully so...) that being > said, I had designed a custom rv-10 billet aluminum handle and install > kit and posted some preproduction photos a few months back. I had a > lot of interest and had compiled a list of interested people. > Unfortunately I lost(fried) the computer that held that information. > If you were/are interested please drop me a new e-mail or visit the > website. > Note: the price is reduced by 150 bucks for the first run!! > Steven dinieri > 40205 > Iflyrv10.com > capsteve(at)adelphia.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: billet aircraft handles
Date: Jul 22, 2007
From: dougpflyrv(at)aol.com
STEVE, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE PRODUCT. COULD U PLEASE SEND ME A PHOTO. THANKS, DOUG PRESTON 40372 -----Original Message----- From: Steven DiNieri <capsteve(at)adelphia.net> Sent: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 7:24 pm Subject: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles I apologize for the wasted bandwidth, as I know some people get uptight about commercial use of the list (rightfully so...) that being said, I had designed a custom rv-10 billet aluminum handle and install kit and posted some preproduction photos a few months back. I had a lot of interest and had compiled a list of interested people. Unfortunately I lost(fried) the computer that held that information. If you were/are interested please drop me a new e-mail or visit the website. Note: the price is reduced by 150 bucks for the first run!! Steven dinieri 40205 Iflyrv10.com capsteve(at)adelphia.net ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2007
Subject: [ Daniel Lloyd ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Daniel Lloyd Lists: RV-List,RV10-List Subject: First Flight http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/lloyddr@wernerco.com.07.22.2007/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FlightAware.com
Date: Jul 22, 2007
From: <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
The airport activity charts in FlightAware.com are always interesting. Have to check out the activity chart for KOSH, especially if it gets IFR next week at all. I've got the email alert function set up so I get an email whenever the company Pilatus lands or takes off. A good way to keep tabs on the boss! TDT 40025 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Garmin G300
Date: Jul 23, 2007
From: <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
Aero-News stated that Cessna has exclusivity on the Garmin G300 for the near future . . . TDT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Subject: RV10-List: Garmin G300 From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com> Does anyone know about the Garmin G300 and if it will be available for the experimental market? The G300 is the PFD/MFD in the new Cessna 162 Skycatcher (LSA). ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2007
From: Phil White <philwhite9(at)aol.com>
Subject: Banquet ticket available
I am unable to get to OSH due to last minute family challenges. I purchased a Van's banquet ticket that I am to pick up at the tent. If anyone needs one, contact me via email or phone 630/985-1234 to arrange. Phil #40220 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: AFS news?
Date: Jul 23, 2007
From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston(at)popsound.com>
Hey all - Anyone been by the AFS booth? What's the hubbub? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Subject: AFS news?
Date: Jul 23, 2007
Any AFS Oshkosh specials? -Ben _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: RV10-List: AFS news? Hey all - Anyone been by the AFS booth? What's the hubbub? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Pop Mech ADS-B Article
Date: Jul 24, 2007
The August issue of Popular Mechanics has an article about ADS-B... Online version: <http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/ 4219569.html> -Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2007
From: carlos <carlosh@sec-engr.com>
Subject: Was "AFS news?" now asking about Icom
Since everyone is looking around there at Osh, and this is along the same line but different product, does any one have info about Icom's new A210 radio? I saw the new add in the current Sport Aviation issue. I'm excited about it and there is nothing on the website about it yet. Thanks to all for fueling my imagination and draining the wallet!! Carlos in Arizona ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Jul 24, 2007
Subject: Was "AFS news?" now asking about Icom
It looked pretty neat but was using a very bright VFD and I'm not sure if it was dimmable or had a photo sensor. In my opinion, the large numbers and brightness would look weird against a more complete stack of avionics but it was very viewable and would draw attention quickly when looking at the stack. As always it's comm only. Just my thoughts. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carlos Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: RV10-List: Was "AFS news?" now asking about Icom Since everyone is looking around there at Osh, and this is along the same line but different product, does any one have info about Icom's new A210 radio? I saw the new add in the current Sport Aviation issue. I'm excited about it and there is nothing on the website about it yet. Thanks to all for fueling my imagination and draining the wallet!! Carlos in Arizona ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Subject: GRT, G530W, TT IIVSGV
Date: Jul 24, 2007
I wanted to let everyone know that I have tested the above combination of equipment on a non precision GPS approach and found that the autopilot follows the approach through it's step-downs and practically makes the approach comparable to an ILS. You will also have the "glideslope" indication on your display and can fly the approach manually, just like an ILS approach. I am not sure if this happened on the latest GRT software update or if it was the V29e that did it. Rob Kermanj ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2007
From: "Stephen Blank" <sblankdds(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10 Progress
Rob, Thanks for the update on your panel/IFR set up. I just clecoed the right side skin to the tail cone bottom. I now have a large part!!! Thanks again for the ride! I havent stopped working on it..... - Steve -- Stephen G. Blank, DDS 184 NW Central Park Plaza Port St. Lucie, FL 34986 772-475-5556 >>> Cell ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 24, 2007
From: "Mike Doyle" <mdoyle2(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Was "AFS news?" now asking about Icom
An avionics vender told me Icom received FCC approval today, and shipments will be arriving in approximately two weeks. $1200.00-$1300.00 price range. One big improvement is the built in intercom, true vox, seperate volume controls for each user, choice of who can transmit, aux audio in, two users only. I ordered one. Mike Doyle On 7/24/07, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: > > rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> > > It looked pretty neat but was using a very bright VFD and I'm not sure if > it was dimmable or had a photo sensor. In my opinion, the large numbers and > brightness would look weird against a more complete stack of avionics but it > was very viewable and would draw attention quickly when looking at the > stack. As always it's comm only. > > Just my thoughts. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carlos > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:02 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Was "AFS news?" now asking about Icom > > > Since everyone is looking around there at Osh, and this is along the > same line but different product, does any one have info about Icom's new > A210 radio? I saw the new add in the current Sport Aviation issue. I'm > excited about it and there is nothing on the website about it yet. > Thanks to all for fueling my imagination and draining the wallet!! > > Carlos in Arizona > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: spraying UV Smoothprime
Date: Jul 25, 2007
From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston(at)popsound.com>
Hey all - Could someone give me some tips on spraying UV smoothprime? I can't seem to get consistent results with my spray gun. It just starts spitting and not wanting to come out right. I thinned the paint like the instructions say, and I can't seem to make it go right. I'd try to roll it on like it says, but it's the interior of the cabin top, and I've got the overhead console in there which would make that hard. Any thoughts? cj #40410 fuse/finishing www.perfectlygoodairplane.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: spraying UV Smoothprime
Date: Jul 25, 2007
Use zolatone and forget all the prep of the interior surfaces...you are a glutten for punishment. Just a thought? JOhn G. >From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston(at)popsound.com> >Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV10-List: spraying UV Smoothprime >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:56:36 -0700 > >Hey all - > >Could someone give me some tips on spraying UV smoothprime? I can't >seem to get consistent results with my spray gun. It just starts >spitting and not wanting to come out right. I thinned the paint like >the instructions say, and I can't seem to make it go right. I'd try to >roll it on like it says, but it's the interior of the cabin top, and >I've got the overhead console in there which would make that hard. Any >thoughts? > >cj >#40410 >fuse/finishing >www.perfectlygoodairplane.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 25, 2007
From: PJ Seipel <seipel(at)seznam.cz>
Subject: Re: spraying UV Smoothprime
Did you run it through a paint filter? If you didn't, you're probably getting chunks which are clogging the gun. I was surprised at how many chunks of stuff that the paint filter caught. PJ Seipel RV-10 #40032 Chris Johnston wrote: > > Hey all > > Could someone give me some tips on spraying UV smoothprime? I cant > seem to get consistent results with my spray gun. It just starts > spitting and not wanting to come out right. I thinned the paint like > the instructions say, and I cant seem to make it go right. Id try to > roll it on like it says, but its the interior of the cabin top, and > Ive got the overhead console in there which would make that hard. Any > thoughts? > > cj > > #40410 > > fuse/finishing > > www.perfectlygoodairplane.net > > * * > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: How's things in Oz?
Date: Jul 26, 2007
From: "Patrick Pulis" <patrick.pulis(at)seagas.com.au>
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Date: Jul 25, 2007
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: BAck from OZ
Guys; Just back from OZ this evening. Head is still swimming some from 8 hrs in a 152. Dang, I gotta get that 10 built. Took a demo ride. It was my first time in a 10. This thing is gonna be sweet. Handles well. Great power. The stall was nothing more than a buffet. Mike Seager did the demo ride. Was fun taking off with the RV 7 demo on 18-36 in tandem. I'm still smiling from that ride. We made the right choice. I did not get to see the Cirrus and Cessna entries. But, I did get to talk with one of Van's staff and he told me about some updates to the 12. They redesigned the wing. Should help the stall numbers. Also, the biggest thing to a builder is that not only will it have matched holes, but you wont have to match drill them. They did something different and was able to not have the stress problem with the hole and now they are to size. That kit will fly together. Looked pretty good all painted and ready to go. Got to put some faces with names and that was nice. I thought the airshow was pretty lame this year. The warbirds circled for most of the time. Only jets really were the F15 (in tandem with a P51) and a double Harrier show. Unfortunately, I had to leave before the weekend. (Raptors). I saw part of the Raptors last year and it was awesome. Will order finish kit tomorrow. Keep building. Fred ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 25, 2007
From: "Rick Leach" <papadaddyo(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: loosing my mind
I think I'm getting old timer's disease. Does the master battery relay come with the emp kit. If so it has slipped the bonds of my shop. Rick Leach ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick ONeill" <poneill(at)irealms.com>
Subject: loosing my mind
Date: Jul 25, 2007
I don't have the finishing kit yet, but I did not get one in the emp, QB wings or QB fuse. I did get one in the Van's RV-10 electrical system kit which leads me to think it's not included in the finishing kit. Best Regards, Patrick 40715 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Leach Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: RV10-List: loosing my mind I think I'm getting old timer's disease. Does the master battery relay come with the emp kit. If so it has slipped the bonds of my shop. Rick Leach ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RobHickman(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 26, 2007
Subject: Re: AFS news?
The new software supports many new screens: Full EFIS Full Map Split EFIS/ENG/MAP When we all get back from OSH we will get all the screens posted. The new Honeywell EFIS that they are showing will not be the same as the AFS EFIS units. The Honeywell EFIS is being developed by Honeywell and Crossbow with some support from AFS. The AF-3500 and AF-3400 systems and pricing has nothing to do with the new Honeywell EFIS system. Rob Hickman ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 25, 2007
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: AFS news?
thanks for the update and review. ----- Original Message ----- From: RobHickman(at)aol.com To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS news? The new software supports many new screens: Full EFIS Full Map Split EFIS/ENG/MAP When we all get back from OSH we will get all the screens posted. The new Honeywell EFIS that they are showing will not be the same as the AFS EFIS units. The Honeywell EFIS is being developed by Honeywell and Crossbow with some support from AFS. The AF-3500 and AF-3400 systems and pricing has nothing to do with the new Honeywell EFIS system. Rob Hickman ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Engines
Date: Jul 26, 2007
I was at the show Mon. and Tues. I talked with SMA Diesel engines and asked when us builders could get one. The sales rep told me I was about the 150th RV-10 builder to ask the question and he said the company is definitely taking notice of us. The SMA engine is a 230 HP, flat 4 cylinder, air cooled, turbocharged direct drive engine. The Rep said the engine will be available to builders at some point. They want to be sure it is a very proven, reliable design and works well in the 182s and such they are putting them in before offering to experimentals. (They had one in a Maule as well) Really looks like a great engine accept, it has a $90,000.00 price tag for installation in a 182. I went to the Lycoming tent and talked with those guys about their certified and experimental engines and the availability of 100LL. Now there is a new fuel called UL90 which is unleaded and the Lycoming rep said will work in their engines. Problem is there is none available they say. I think I am going to install a Lycoming. Dave Leikam 40496 Summer build slow down ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2007
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engines
I believe he was talking about UL96. Current 80/87 where available is essentially unleaded. 96 is about as high as they can go without lead, and is workable for normally aspirated engines, but not turbocharged. A product that only added 3 octane points to existing 80/87 wouldn't benefit that many engines and wouldn't be enough for current 100LL engines. On 7/25/07, Dave Leikam wrote: > I went to the Lycoming tent and talked with those guys about their certified > and experimental engines and the availability of 100LL. Now there is a new > fuel called UL90 which is unleaded and the Lycoming rep said will work in > their engines. Problem is there is none available they say. > > I think I am going to install a Lycoming. > > Dave Leikam > 40496 > Summer build slow down > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Oshkosh Avionics Picture etc..
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Jul 26, 2007
Hello Guys, I am updating my website daily with tons of Oshkosh pictures. Yesterday and today is out Avionics day. Check out I returned home after the great RV Family Renunion quite late as every day from the Airventure so it wont be to much text. Best Regrads Michael RV-10 (Fuselage)[/url] -------- RV-10 builder (wings) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125750#125750 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: loosing my mind
From: "egohr1" <EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu>
Date: Jul 26, 2007
I just went through all of this. The master relay is in the wiring kit. This should not be installed until the tailcone and fuse are mated, as the battery support box will need to be out to set some of the rivets. The ignition swtich is a SEPARATE purchase from the wiring kit and comes with 2 matching locks. You can get the parts from vans of Spruce at the same price. -------- eric gohr EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125756#125756 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: spraying UV Smoothprime
Spraying Smoothprime is a challenge for me, but well worth it! I have found that by following the dilution instructions on the can/pail that it's too thick, and I have the same results you're seeing, so I dilute it until I can get a better spray out, I don't have a ratio to use, I just keep adding small amounts of water until I can get a 'wet' spray pattern. the unfortunate side effect of that is that, for me, when I get it this thin, unless I'm EXTREMELY careful I will inevitably end up with a run, or two when shooting on a vertical surface. The runs sand out fairly easily though so aren't really much of a problem. Shooting several VERY light coats vs a couple of heavy coats works better as well. Another thing I've noticed is that it seems to 'clog' a bit in the gun, and that by placing a finger over the nozzle ,temporarily plugging it, while pulling the trigger seems to help to clear any clogs that seem to form in the gun while waiting for the coat you just sprayed to dry enough to shoot the next coat. (be careful not to allow a buildup on primer on the nozzle.) Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done ....It's just not put together yet!' http://deemsrv10.com/ Chris Johnston wrote: > > Hey all > > Could someone give me some tips on spraying UV smoothprime? I cant > seem to get consistent results with my spray gun. It just starts > spitting and not wanting to come out right. I thinned the paint like > the instructions say, and I cant seem to make it go right. Id try to > roll it on like it says, but its the interior of the cabin top, and > Ive got the overhead console in there which would make that hard. Any > thoughts? > > cj > > #40410 > > fuse/finishing > > www.perfectlygoodairplane.net > > * * > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "edwisch(at)cableone.net" <edwisch(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Moving, must sell RV-10 QB
Date: Jul 26, 2007
* Tail kit is mostly done -- and no smileys!! very good workmanship, although you might choose to look at two boo-boos in the horizontal tail, but if you don't like it, those parts are only $500 or so. * Virtually nothing done on the wings or fuselage * No finishing kit -- it went to a neighbor's RV-10 Kit is in Prescott, AZ, $23,000, several thousand less than Van's price Also selling an AirCam, $78,000, 200 hours and a cherry straight tail Cessna, http://www.greatusermanuals.com/c175/, $60,000 edwisch(at)alum.mit.edu 928 533-9351 (cell) ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Just back from OSH
Just got back late last pm. Had a GREAT time! MUCHO thanks to Tim Olson, Bob Condrey, and Gary Specteter (and their wives!) for setting up and arranging RV-10HQ. Even though we didn't stay in Schooler, we hung around HQ a couple of evenings and really enjoyed the conversation and exchange.For me the biggest attraction to OSH is the opportunity to get to mix with other -10 builders. I've taken away soooo many tips, suggestions and improvements through these exchanges. THANKS to all who have and continue to enlighten me! I put a bunch of pics up on my site here's a link: http://deemsrv10.com/album/OSHKOSH%202007/index.html Deems Davis # 406 It's all done.... It's just not put together ....yet http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Oshkosh Avionics Picture etc..
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Jul 26, 2007
Hi, I'll add some pictures of the GRT today. Michael -------- RV-10 builder (wings) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125856#125856 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ddddsp1(at)juno.com" <ddddsp1(at)juno.com>
Date: Jul 27, 2007
Subject: OSH 07
Got home from Osh today around 3 pm................unpacked and took a n ap until now.........1:34 AM. What a great time and once again it was a blast to meet so many new faces that have joined the RV10 and RV family . I want to especially thank Bob, Gary and their wives for setting up t he RV10 camping HQ, cooking meals, and everything else! The time and de dication they put in made it a wonderful week for many of us and I am ve ry grateful for their hospitality and generosity. Thanks also to Neal G eorge for being such a helpful camping neighbor, Adrian Moses for provid ing transportation, laughs (Red Robin sign language, REAL PILOTS?) and a n extended beer run to Appleton. What a wonderful due to wonderful peop le. I look forward to the next big meeting..............LOE '07? I wil l help arrange the RV10 Formation Flying Photo. Imagine TEN RV10's in f ormation over the New Mexico desert with Doug Reeves shooting pics. Bet ter yet let's get Scott Schmidt's brother up in a plane at the same time and make a 3D shot. OK maybe I need more sleep. :) Hope you all make it home safely and motivated to finish that GREAT plan e or looking forward to flying to the next RV10 destination spot. DEAN 805HL ________________________________________________________________________ 170
Got home from Osh today around 3 pm................unpacked and took a nap until now.........1:34 AM. What a great time and once again it was a blast to meet so many new faces that have joined the RV10 and RV family. I want to especially thank Bob, Gary and their wiv es for setting up the RV10 camping HQ, cooking meals, and everything els e! The time and dedication they put in made it a wonderful week fo r many of us and I am very grateful for their hospitality and generosity . Thanks also to Neal George for being such a helpful camping neig hbor, Adrian Moses for providing transportation, laughs (Red Robin sign language, REAL PILOTS?) and an extended beer run to Appleton.& nbsp; What a wonderful due to wonderful people. I look forward to the next big meeting..............LOE '07? I will help arrange the RV10 Formation Flying Photo. Imagine TEN RV10's in formation over the New Mexico desert with Doug Reeves shooting pics. Better yet let's get Scott Schmidt's brother up in a plane at the same time and mak e a 3D shot. OK maybe I need more sleep. :)

Hope you all make it home safely and motivated to finish that GREAT p lane or looking forward to flying to the next RV10 destination spot.

DEAN

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From: "Michael Lefever" <RoxIanMike(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Moving, must sell RV-10
Date: Jul 27, 2007
Ed. I am in Phoenix and just got back from OSH this evening.............I am 75% through my RV 10 with only 75% to go. I may be interested in lining up another to start someday. I assume your 10 kit is a "flat" kit rather than any quickbuild sections? I assume no firewall forward either? When you say the tail kit is mostly done can you describe that or send me photos? Thanks Mike Lefever From: edwisch(at)cableone.net<mailto:edwisch(at)cableone.net> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com ; rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:30 AM Subject: RV10-List: Moving, must sell RV-10 QB "edwisch(at)cableone.net" > * Tail kit is mostly done -- and no smileys!! very good workmanship, although you might choose to look at two boo-boos in the horizontal tail, but if you don't like it, those parts are only $500 or so. * Virtually nothing done on the wings or fuselage * No finishing kit -- it went to a neighbor's RV-10 Kit is in Prescott, AZ, $23,000, several thousand less than Van's price Also selling an AirCam, $78,000, 200 hours and a cherry straight tail Cessna, http://www.greatusermanuals.com/c175/ 5/>, $60,000 edwisch(at)alum.mit.edu 928 533-9351 (cell) ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List igator?RV10-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2007
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Moving, must sell RV-10
Mike, I would guess since he describes it as a QB and mentions wings and fuselage, that he is just about where you are, maybe not quite as far. I'm probably interested as well, although I'm not in a position to act on it for at least a couple weeks. Heck, wanna turn your hangar into AZ RV-10 central?? ;-p On 7/27/07, Michael Lefever wrote: > > > Ed. I am in Phoenix and just got back from OSH this evening.............I am > 75% through my RV 10 with only 75% to go. I may be interested in lining up > another to start someday. > > I assume your 10 kit is a "flat" kit rather than any quickbuild sections? > > I assume no firewall forward either? > > When you say the tail kit is mostly done can you describe that or send me > photos? > > Thanks > > Mike Lefever > > From: edwisch(at)cableone.net > > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com ; rv-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:30 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Moving, must sell RV-10 QB > > > > * Tail kit is mostly done -- and no smileys!! very good workmanship, > although you might choose to look at two boo-boos in > the horizontal tail, but if you don't like it, those parts are only $500 or > so. > * Virtually nothing done on the wings or fuselage > * No finishing kit -- it went to a neighbor's RV-10 > > Kit is in Prescott, AZ, $23,000, several thousand less than Van's price > > Also selling an AirCam, $78,000, 200 hours > and a cherry straight tail Cessna, > http://www.greatusermanuals.com/c175/, $60,000 > > edwisch(at)alum.mit.edu > 928 533-9351 (cell) > > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.matronic > available via > title=http://forums.matronics.com/ > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Michael Lefever" <RoxIanMike(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Moving, must sell RV-10
Date: Jul 27, 2007
I made a mistake and replied to the whole list versus just Ed but I guess most will forgive. I need another unfinished kit like I need a whole in the head but have done some kit trading in the past and this is a pretty good (starting) price and its easy to go get just being up in Prescott. I just went to Osh with my dad and then we spent some hours in Missouri working on his RV7 he is finishing so I got fired up go back to work on the 10 as the temps cool. I also passed my check ride just prior to leaving town so I will have some more time now as I was flying about 10 hours a week over the last 6 weeks getting tuned up. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly McMullen<mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 7:48 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Moving, must sell RV-10 > Mike, I would guess since he describes it as a QB and mentions wings and fuselage, that he is just about where you are, maybe not quite as far. I'm probably interested as well, although I'm not in a position to act on it for at least a couple weeks. Heck, wanna turn your hangar into AZ RV-10 central?? ;-p On 7/27/07, Michael Lefever > wrote: > > > > Ed. I am in Phoenix and just got back from OSH this evening.............I am > 75% through my RV 10 with only 75% to go. I may be interested in lining up > another to start someday. > > I assume your 10 kit is a "flat" kit rather than any quickbuild sections? > > I assume no firewall forward either? > > When you say the tail kit is mostly done can you describe that or send me > photos? > > Thanks > > Mike Lefever > > From: edwisch(at)cableone.net<mailto:edwisch(at)cableone.net> > > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com ; rv-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:30 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Moving, must sell RV-10 QB > "edwisch(at)cableone.net" > > > > * Tail kit is mostly done -- and no smileys!! very good workmanship, > although you might choose to look at two boo-boos in > the horizontal tail, but if you don't like it, those parts are only $500 or > so. > * Virtually nothing done on the wings or fuselage > * No finishing kit -- it went to a neighbor's RV-10 > > Kit is in Prescott, AZ, $23,000, several thousand less than Van's price > > Also selling an AirCam, $78,000, 200 hours > and a cherry straight tail Cessna, > http://www.greatusermanuals.com/c175/ 5/>, $60,000 > > edwisch(at)alum.mit.edu > 928 533-9351 (cell) > > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.matronic> > available via > title=http://forums.matronics.com/ > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhttp://forums.matronics.com> > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List igator?RV10-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Flight Test Plan
Date: Jul 28, 2007
Looking for an example of a flight test plan that I could just tailor to my aircraft? Anybody want to share one? Rene' N423CF Finish . or something like that. 801-721-6080 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: 51% rule update from OSH
Here's some notes on recent comments from FAA officials regarding the 51% rule and it's status. http://www.airventure.org/2007/6fri27/amateur_built.html Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....its just not put together...yet' http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Flight Test Plan
Date: Jul 28, 2007
Rene' I sent a scanned copy of the EAA First Flight Advisor checklist which is both before as well as specific checklists for the first flights to Tim Olson and it's on his website somewhere. If that doesn't work let me know and I'll send it to you directly if I can find it. It's some pretty good reading and a good starting point. If you have a local EAA chapter with a First Flight Advisor then they should have all of the same information as well as a lot more on first flights. Marcus 40286 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:15 AM Subject: RV10-List: Flight Test Plan Looking for an example of a flight test plan that I could just tailor to my aircraft? Anybody want to share one? Rene' N423CF Finish . or something like that. 801-721-6080 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77(at)comcast.net>
Subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you
buy?
Date: Jul 28, 2007
Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer, faster, stronger, lighter as advertised? How about the Lycoming X series? Others? If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost? Jeff Dalton Wings ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Lervold" <randy(at)romeolima.com>
Subject: Re: Flight Test Plan
Date: Jul 28, 2007
Marcus, I have posted a few of my own thoughts on first flights and flight testing and posted them on my web site... http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/Flying/flying.htm#FlightAdvisorProgram Randy Lervold EAA Flight Advisor www.rv-3.com www.rv-8.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcus Cooper To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flight Test Plan Rene' I sent a scanned copy of the EAA First Flight Advisor checklist which is both before as well as specific checklists for the first flights to Tim Olson and it's on his website somewhere. If that doesn't work let me know and I'll send it to you directly if I can find it. It's some pretty good reading and a good starting point. If you have a local EAA chapter with a First Flight Advisor then they should have all of the same information as well as a lot more on first flights. Marcus 40286 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:15 AM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Flight Test Plan Looking for an example of a flight test plan that I could just tailor to my aircraft? Anybody want to share one? Rene' N423CF Finish . or something like that. 801-721-6080 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://foru ms.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would
you buy?
Date: Jul 28, 2007
>From all my research and talking to people, BPA would be the way to go. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc jesse(at)saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Leather interior kit for the RV-10 - www.saintaviation.com/interior -----Original Message----- From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77(at)comcast.net> Sent: 7/28/2007 11:23 AM Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer, faster, stronger, lighter as advertised? How about the Lycoming X series? Others? If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost? Jeff Dalton Wings ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Tire inflation tool for those with pants
Date: Jul 28, 2007
From: John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com>
FWIW. Here is something that might come in handy. Posted by a fellow pilot of 182 and 206 models. = = = = = = Hi: Inflating tires encased in wheel pants is unpleasant, dirty and so unattractive that we often fly around with underinflated tires. (Do I hear any argument? So far, no.) So what can we do about it? The problem is that that little valve is buried in behind that hole that is too small for your fingers or the pump clamp. Wouldn't it be lovely if you could temporarily bring the valve out to where you were? Well, now you can. I remembered a gadget that is sold in automotive parts houses that was advertised as a "valve extender." The expected market is owners of Winnabago like vehicles and similar wheeled vehicles with double tires. The inner valve is very hard to reach. At inside end is a cap that screws over the valve and depresses the valve stem to provide access to the air in the tire; at the outside end is a conventional tire valve. They are intended for permanent installation. In many cases, the extender is a rigid structure, but I remembered sometime seeing a flexible hose variety. Searching on the internet, I found such a model and ordered two. As manufactured, it comes with a C-clamp at the outside end to allow you to clamp it to the outer wheel. It also has a cap free to rotate on the inside. I removed the clamp and epoxied the free cap to the adjacent swaged fitting on the hose. Thus, you can twist the hose outside the wheel pant hole and the cap will screw on or off the valve inside the wheel pant. Easy on and easy off. You still have to stick your fingers in the hole to get the regular valve cap off and on, but apart from that, it is strictly an outside job. I tried it on my car tire. The loss of air on insertion and removal is negligible. I will put one extender in each hangar, held on the tire pump hose with a rubber band. The extenders are $10 apiece so please do not lose them. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net>
Subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would
you buy?
Date: Jul 28, 2007
If money were no object I think I would go with a COSMO 20B. LOL:--)) I am. Bob K From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77 Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:24 AM Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer, faster, stronger, lighter as advertised? How about the Lycoming X series? Others? If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost? Jeff Dalton Wings ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rvmail(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: 51% rule update from OSH
Date: Jul 28, 2007
Van made an interesting comment at the banquet the other night. He basically stated if you paying somebody to build your aircraft, you better get it done quick. You can read into that whatever you choose. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: RV10-List: 51% rule update from OSH Here's some notes on recent comments from FAA officials regarding the 51% rule and it's status. http://www.airventure.org/2007/6fri27/amateur_built.html Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....its just not put together...yet' http://deemsrv10.com/ __________ NOD32 2427 (20070728) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509(at)msn.com>
Subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would
you buy?
Date: Jul 28, 2007
I am 100% happy with my IO-540 purchased from Bart at Aero Sport Power. Might be a good idea to do a little comparison shopping. Very nice folks to work with. Mark >From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> >Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine > would you buy? >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:31:31 -0500 > > > >From all my research and talking to people, BPA would be the way to go. > >Jesse Saint >Saint Aviation, Inc >jesse(at)saintaviation.com >www.saintaviation.com >352-427-0285 > >Leather interior kit for the RV-10 - >www.saintaviation.com/interior > >-----Original Message----- >From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77(at)comcast.net> >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: 7/28/2007 11:23 AM >Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine >would you buy? > >Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer, >faster, stronger, lighter as advertised? >How about the Lycoming X series? >Others? > >If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and >weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost? > >Jeff Dalton >Wings > > _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2007
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would
you buy? How does Aero Sport Power deal with warranty issues? Any concerns bringing engine across the border? On 7/28/07, Mark Ritter wrote: > > I am 100% happy with my IO-540 purchased from Bart at Aero Sport Power. > Might be a good idea to do a little comparison shopping. Very nice folks to > work with. > > Mark > > > >From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> > >Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: RE: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine > > would you buy? > >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:31:31 -0500 > > > > > > >From all my research and talking to people, BPA would be the way to go. > > > >Jesse Saint > >Saint Aviation, Inc > >jesse(at)saintaviation.com > >www.saintaviation.com > >352-427-0285 > > > >Leather interior kit for the RV-10 - > >www.saintaviation.com/interior > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77(at)comcast.net> > >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > >Sent: 7/28/2007 11:23 AM > >Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine > >would you buy? > > > >Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer, > >faster, stronger, lighter as advertised? > >How about the Lycoming X series? > >Others? > > > >If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and > >weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost? > > > >Jeff Dalton > >Wings > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2007
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: OSH 07 WOW!
Just landed back in Salt Lake about 2 hours ago and you would not believe t his but I had tail winds the whole way from Oshkosh to Salt Lake. The fuel gods were watching over me I guess. I don't know how often that happens b ut it is a first for me. =0A =0ARaNae and I had such a great time with eve ryone. It really was a fantanstic week. Tim and I had a few real fun flig hts shooting some air to air and giving rides to family and friends. It wa s great to put a face to a few names I have e-mailed and talked to over the past 3 years. I can't wait for next year, I'll get my money to Bob and Ga ry in their PayPal account tomorrow. I know that is alot of work, it was i ncredible to be located where we were. =0A=0AI have some real highlights fr om the trip that I will NEVER forget like coming in behind Glacier Girl on downwind, watching a DC-3 take off right at us as we were approaching the g ravel pit on a crosswind for 27, flying formation with Tim above a cloud la yer on a perfect morning, hanging out at the airplanes and watching a big s torm come in that said on my XM "90% chance of 1 1/2" hail". Tim and I lau ghed that it also meant a 10% chance of hail larger than 1 1/2". There ar e many more like taking my parents up and getting them the full Oshkosh exp erience, and watching Mitch (who was working on a documentry) see what flyi ng really is. He got it. =0A =0AI'll get some photos posted once I get th em all together, plus Tim and I had two people in our planes that are worki ng on a documentry. We took them up on the most perfect morning and she ha d a high def. video camera. We should have some cool video in a few weeks that Tim will get posted on his site. =0A=0AJust as an FYI, if you are flyi ng west 7V6 has fuel from pump #1 for $3.00 It says $3.72 on it but for so me reason the receipt printed it out at $3.00. My 30 gallons were $90.00. I think that may be the first time I filled half the capacity for less than $100. =0A=0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2007
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: OSH 07 WOW!
Glad to hear you made it back Scott! Our trip was a little bit shorter on the way home, taking the standard 1 hour. Believe it or not, we had to vote to see who would "HAVE" to ride home with dad, and Danielle "lost". I'll never understand that one.... But, she had a blast and added a new skill. She usually flies using the HITS to navigate, but today she learned how to make the GPS Track overlay the GPS course so she could keep us headed home. This year was the best OSH RV experience I've ever had. It was almost NOTHING like I intended it to be, but it was great. I had said before OSH that I wanted to sit on the flightline and watch planes land, and take video flying in and out of OSH. Neither of those things happened. Turns out that even 7.5 days isn't enough to see even 10% of the show when you have an RV-10 there. I had also said that I wouldn't be doing any rides at the show, but I managed to squeeze in a few to keep some old (1+ years) promises and fill the seats while we did some fantastic air-to-air shots of Scott's plane. His plane was the most beautiful of the show, as far as I'm concerned. The day we flew above the low layer of cotton with the sun glistening off his plane is something I'll never forget. He's a great pilot, and a great guy....with a great gal. I only wish we had more RV-10's who were participating in giving rides to other builders. It's a tough task to do day after day, and there are a few people I would have loved to get up for an RV-10 experience. RV-10 HQ came together VERY well. I think at one of our dinners we had 55 guests, if the info I was passed is correct! The only disappointment was in the site layout being a little disjointed, caused by a higher number of pre-arrivals who blocked sites around our neighborhood. Next year's OSH is already on my calendar for July 28 thru Aug. 3rd, and I think we'll be trying to get our campsites reserved around Friday, July 18th... It may make it a little more expensive, but it gets us in before that weekend so we can hopefully get a contiguous block of sites. Additionally, we're intending to split an extra site, located centrally, to use as a central gathering point, to better allow everyone to integrate their time with the group. Lots of pre-planning to do next spring to make it better than ever. I've also decided to give up on camping with my RV-10, as I think we'll always have a larger gathering if we do it in Scholler, and the camper worked well this year. Scott gave you a little preview of the documentary, but I'll fill in some blanks. There was an independent pair going around interviewing all sorts of homebuilders for small clips, and their project is called "You're building a WHAT?". They intend to see if their little bit of video will be picked up to be used as a TV show, like for PBS. Larry Rosen and his son were sitting by us and when they came by, so we gave them some footage, and invited them to see first-hand why the end experience is so great. The next day was rained out for us to get flying, but it ended up being a blessing in disguise, as we were treated to a low broken layer, that allowed us to pop up on top through a hole, and dance around the clouds as a couple of F-16's (or similar) flew by. They got some great video, and you could tell that they left a bit emotionally changed...it turned out to be a very special time for everyone involved. Thanks to everyone who took part in RV-10 HQ, especially Bob and Gary for being willing to put in the time grabbing those sites. I think we've really started a great trend. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Scott Schmidt wrote: > Just landed back in Salt Lake about 2 hours ago and you would not > believe this but I had tail winds the whole way from Oshkosh to Salt > Lake. The fuel gods were watching over me I guess. I don't know how > often that happens but it is a first for me. > > RaNae and I had such a great time with everyone. It really was a > fantanstic week. Tim and I had a few real fun flights shooting some air > to air and giving rides to family and friends. It was great to put > a face to a few names I have e-mailed and talked to over the past 3 > years. I can't wait for next year, I'll get my money to Bob and Gary in > their PayPal account tomorrow. I know that is alot of work, it was > incredible to be located where we were. > > I have some real highlights from the trip that I will NEVER forget like > coming in behind Glacier Girl on downwind, watching a DC-3 take off > right at us as we were approaching the gravel pit on a crosswind for 27, > flying formation with Tim above a cloud layer on a perfect morning, > hanging out at the airplanes and watching a big storm come in that said > on my XM "90% chance of 1 1/2" hail". Tim and I laughed that it also > meant a 10% chance of hail larger than 1 1/2". There are many more > like taking my parents up and getting them the full Oshkosh experience, > and watching Mitch (who was working on a documentry) see what flying > really is. He got it. > > I'll get some photos posted once I get them all together, plus Tim and I > had two people in our planes that are working on a documentry. We took > them up on the most perfect morning and she had a high def. video > camera. We should have some cool video in a few weeks that Tim will get > posted on his site. > > Just as an FYI, if you are flying west 7V6 has fuel from pump #1 for > $3.00 It says $3.72 on it but for some reason the receipt printed it > out at $3.00. My 30 gallons were $90.00. I think that may be the first > time I filled half the capacity for less than $100. > > Scott Schmidt > scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com > > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would
you buy?
Date: Jul 28, 2007
No warranty issues as I have had zero problems with my IO-540 from Aero Sport and received very quick responses on a few minor questions. Bart has supported the RV community for quite a few years and his reputation for delivering a quality product has stood the test of time. After 120 hours the engine is running smooth and strong. Low oil consumption and oil samples all normal. Mark N410MR >From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com> >Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine >would you buy? >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:53:31 -0700 > > >How does Aero Sport Power deal with warranty issues? Any concerns >bringing engine across the border? > >On 7/28/07, Mark Ritter wrote: > > > > I am 100% happy with my IO-540 purchased from Bart at Aero Sport Power. > > Might be a good idea to do a little comparison shopping. Very nice >folks to > > work with. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > >From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> > > >Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > >To: > > >Subject: RE: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style >engine > > > would you buy? > > >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:31:31 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >From all my research and talking to people, BPA would be the way to >go. > > > > > >Jesse Saint > > >Saint Aviation, Inc > > >jesse(at)saintaviation.com > > >www.saintaviation.com > > >352-427-0285 > > > > > >Leather interior kit for the RV-10 - > > >www.saintaviation.com/interior > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77(at)comcast.net> > > >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > >Sent: 7/28/2007 11:23 AM > > >Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine > > >would you buy? > > > > > >Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer, > > >faster, stronger, lighter as advertised? > > >How about the Lycoming X series? > > >Others? > > > > > >If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and > > >weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost? > > > > > >Jeff Dalton > > >Wings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2007
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays
I have an interesting new problem that has crept up with my trim. I was comparing notes at OSH with Scott and he's having the same issue, and both of us have only had the problem for less than 2 weeks or so. The issue is, you may be trimming your plane nose up or down, and when you stop trimming in one direction, it won't operate in the opposite. For instance, I overshot on nose down trim, but then it wouldn't let me trim it back nose up. It happened once the week before OSH, and I got it to release by adding more nose down trim, and then doing the nose up. The downside to this is that if it stays stuck, you're now even MORE nose down trimmed. It happened again on the way to OSH, and then it happened during the show and I had to land with lots of pressure pulling back on the stick. Scott got to Ray Allen's booth first and discussed it with them and I followed afterwards and had the same discussion. They said that the REL-1 is now replaced with the REL-2 which is more heavy duty, but that the REL-1 had operated for years with no issues, until recently. Within the last couple years, the REL-1's have been produced as RoHS compliant, (lead free) and now they're seeing them come back with issues. They gave both of us replacements free, as we were both experiencing the same problem. For a photo of these relays, check these 2 links. The first one is the original relay, and the second is the new one. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/rel1.php http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/servoRelayDeck.php I'll be replacing mine in the next day or so, but thought it good to give a heads-up on this. It will probably be something that you run into if you have the REL-1 and got it within the last couple years. Also, rapping on the relay does get it to release...I tried that today. So, it's physically sticking inside. Normally, the relay grounds both wires to the trim servo when not active, and I think from what they told me that the sticking is actually the result of it not completing it's previous trim operation fully, returning to that ground-ground postion. Here is some additional info on the relays from Ray Allen. http://www.rayallencompany.com/RACmedia/instructionsREL.pdf http://www.rayallencompany.com/products/accessories.html Tim - 260 hours and counting ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would
yo
From: "n277dl" <dljinia(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 28, 2007
Thought I'd pass on my experience with Aerosport. Not flying a -10 (yet) but have a 7A that I've been flying since 2004. I bought my engine for my 7A from a guy in Texas who had bought the engine from Aerosport. He had decided not to finish the 8 that he had started. Engine had never been installed on the 8 so basically he shipped it to me and I was the first install.... This engine is a IO360A1B6... guess what... remember the AD from Lycoming requiring replacement of the crankshaft. Well, the crank in my engine was one that had to be replaced. I called Lycoming a couple times and just got a run around because it was in an experimental engine. (this was only a couple years ago but before Lycoming had the "X" permintal engines). I was getting no satisfaction from Lycoming directly and the term "screwed" was beginning to ring loud in my mind. I called Aerosport hoping they could help me convince Lycoming to help a little. The answer I got from Aerosport was truly amazing from my perspective..... Sue at Aerosport was very direct :D ... "When you get ready to pull the engine... you just let me know and I'll send you a bill of lading and arrange for pickup. You let us worry about Lycoming. We'll pay the shipping both ways. Just let us know a couple weeks ahead of when you plan to pull the engine and we'll put it to the front of the line and get the engine back asap". I did exactly that, they did exactly what they said would and I'm one extremely happy in-direct customer. I'm seriously considering starting a -10 this winter (once the weather gets too nasty to fly much in Iowa) and the first place I'll look for another engine is Aerosport. -------- Doug RV7A flying ~500hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126099#126099 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2007
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine
would yo Thank you. That answers the question directly...how they perform when a problem crops up, not the 99% of the time that there is no problem. That is the real test of a company and obviously the few firms mentioned here pass the test. n277dl wrote: > > Thought I'd pass on my experience with Aerosport. Not flying a -10 (yet) but have a 7A that I've been flying since 2004. I bought my engine for my 7A from a guy in Texas who had bought the engine from Aerosport. He had decided not to finish the 8 that he had started. Engine had never been installed on the 8 so basically he shipped it to me and I was the first install.... > > This engine is a IO360A1B6... guess what... remember the AD from Lycoming requiring replacement of the crankshaft. Well, the crank in my engine was one that had to be replaced. I called Lycoming a couple times and just got a run around because it was in an experimental engine. (this was only a couple years ago but before Lycoming had the "X" permintal engines). I was getting no satisfaction from Lycoming directly and the term "screwed" was beginning to ring loud in my mind. > > I called Aerosport hoping they could help me convince Lycoming to help a little. The answer I got from Aerosport was truly amazing from my perspective..... > > Sue at Aerosport was very direct :D ... "When you get ready to pull the engine... you just let me know and I'll send you a bill of lading and arrange for pickup. You let us worry about Lycoming. We'll pay the shipping both ways. Just let us know a couple weeks ahead of when you plan to pull the engine and we'll put it to the front of the line and get the engine back asap". > > I did exactly that, they did exactly what they said would and I'm one extremely happy in-direct customer. I'm seriously considering starting a -10 this winter (once the weather gets too nasty to fly much in Iowa) and the first place I'll look for another engine is Aerosport. > > -------- > Doug > RV7A flying ~500hrs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126099#126099 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "The McGough Family" <VHMUM(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine
would yo
Date: Jul 29, 2007
Just bought our second engine from Aerosport....the best people and great product. Chris from Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: "n277dl" <dljinia(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would yo > > Thought I'd pass on my experience with Aerosport. Not flying a -10 (yet) > but have a 7A that I've been flying since 2004. I bought my engine for my > 7A from a guy in Texas who had bought the engine from Aerosport. He had > decided not to finish the 8 that he had started. Engine had never been > installed on the 8 so basically he shipped it to me and I was the first > install.... > > This engine is a IO360A1B6... guess what... remember the AD from Lycoming > requiring replacement of the crankshaft. Well, the crank in my engine was > one that had to be replaced. I called Lycoming a couple times and just > got a run around because it was in an experimental engine. (this was only > a couple years ago but before Lycoming had the "X" permintal engines). I > was getting no satisfaction from Lycoming directly and the term "screwed" > was beginning to ring loud in my mind. > > I called Aerosport hoping they could help me convince Lycoming to help a > little. The answer I got from Aerosport was truly amazing from my > perspective..... > > Sue at Aerosport was very direct :D ... "When you get ready to pull the > engine... you just let me know and I'll send you a bill of lading and > arrange for pickup. You let us worry about Lycoming. We'll pay the > shipping both ways. Just let us know a couple weeks ahead of when you > plan to pull the engine and we'll put it to the front of the line and get > the engine back asap". > > I did exactly that, they did exactly what they said would and I'm one > extremely happy in-direct customer. I'm seriously considering starting > a -10 this winter (once the weather gets too nasty to fly much in Iowa) > and the first place I'll look for another engine is Aerosport. > > -------- > Doug > RV7A flying ~500hrs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126099#126099 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "The McGough Family" <VHMUM(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would
you buy?
Date: Jul 29, 2007
My first engine developed a slight oil leak at one of the cylinders. There fix was get it fixed anywhere I like and they will pay the bill. No dramas at all and could not ask for more I am in Australia regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? > > How does Aero Sport Power deal with warranty issues? Any concerns > bringing engine across the border? > > On 7/28/07, Mark Ritter wrote: >> >> I am 100% happy with my IO-540 purchased from Bart at Aero Sport Power. >> Might be a good idea to do a little comparison shopping. Very nice folks >> to >> work with. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> >> >Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> >To: >> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style >> >engine >> > would you buy? >> >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:31:31 -0500 >> > >> > >> > >From all my research and talking to people, BPA would be the way to >> > >go. >> > >> >Jesse Saint >> >Saint Aviation, Inc >> >jesse(at)saintaviation.com >> >www.saintaviation.com >> >352-427-0285 >> > >> >Leather interior kit for the RV-10 - >> >www.saintaviation.com/interior >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77(at)comcast.net> >> >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> >Sent: 7/28/2007 11:23 AM >> >Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine >> >would you buy? >> > >> >Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer, >> >faster, stronger, lighter as advertised? >> >How about the Lycoming X series? >> >Others? >> > >> >If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and >> >weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost? >> > >> >Jeff Dalton >> >Wings >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would
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From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Jul 29, 2007
I ordered a TMX-540 at Oshkosh. Anyone flying a ten with the TMX? Since I want to stay as close to the certified engine due to swiss regulations I chose Mattituck and they will support me to satisfy the swiss authorities with and provide all required documentation etc. (Tim sorry I couldn't meet you, Osh was overwhelming I hardly managed to see everything I had on my list. Hope your wife and daughters left some swiss chocolate for you too ;-)) Michael -------- RV-10 builder (wings) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126121#126121 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Jul 29, 2007
Subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would
you buy? As I have a Barrett engine I'm a bit biased, so take what I say with a gr ain of salt. ;-) But I spent a fair amount of time looking at the various engine builders out there and you can safely pick any one of them and proba bly never really have to worry. Aerosport was probably my second choice bu t I have a problem with sending money out of the country if I can support a company in the US without sacrificing quality or service. At the time I wa s shopping I also knew of one builder that had some problems with a rebuilt Aerosport having mismatched parts and they ended up going with a "new" exp erimental from them. But I'm sure that is the exception more than the rule . BPE's workmanship is absolutely top notch and they are always willing to answer your questions. When I looked at the engine builders out there, and compared the prices, the prices usually averaged out once you took what was included from one co mpared to what was extra from another. Don't just look at the sticker pric e, look at exactly what is included. Besides having an excellent reputatio n, Barrett will give you an honest answer to any question even if it might not be in their best interest. They also build competition winning engines for several big names so you know they can take a beating. Any of the 6 s hops that are authorized to build a new Lycoming "X" engine will be a good choice but Barrett won out for me. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Limbo From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77 Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine wou ld you buy? Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer, fast er, stronger, lighter as advertised? How about the Lycoming X series? Others? If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and wei ght were, which would you like, regardless of cost? Jeff Dalton Wings ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would
yo
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Jul 29, 2007
I just ordered the Mattituck IO-540 Red/Gold pkg at OSH. I just want a all new 260hp quality engine that I will not have any problems with. They had a great deal for the OSH crowd (-$500 plus free USA shipping) and they seem to be really behind the Red/Gold program. Their warranty is better than Lycoming's (3 yrs from engine start) and they are very flexible on the delivery (any time this year). The engine includes a lot of value added bells and whistles including irridium plugs. There were at least 3 RV10's at OSH with the Red?gold package from Mattituck. I never saw the aerosport or BPE booths at OSH, so I did not get their presentation, but they are there. Guess that I will just have to see how the engine runs and warranty support. -------- OSH '08 or Bust Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126134#126134 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: WSI pricing changes with new Sirius System
From: "N777TY" <microsmurfer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 29, 2007
Just curious -- did they talk about how this will all play out when they merge with XM? will they still have two systems (I guess it wouldn't make sense)? -------- RV-7A N777TY (res) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126147#126147 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rvmail(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: RV-10 HQ -Great Experience
Date: Jul 29, 2007
I am just now getting to the thousands of emails that I purposefully neglected while at OSH. I did want to share my appreciation and thanks to all that were at the RV-10 HQ and other RV related activities this past week. I especially want to thank Susan and Brenda for putting up will all of us and keeping everyone well fed. I also want to thank them for allowing Bob and Gary to arrive early and reserve all our spaces. Without Bob's and Gary's effort, I know my OSH experience would have been the same. As a builder that is just starting, I learned a wealth of information from the many informal gatherings that took place at RV-10. I want to thank everyone for making both Brad and myself fell welcomed. My trip home yesterday was a little more tense that my perfect trip to OSH. Originally, I had an IFR reservation at 9:30 to depart. I filed IFR to be talking to ATC over the lake and because the wx in Ohio was going to be marginal. When I talked to FSS in the morning, they said that I had nothing to worry about and it should be good vfr all the way home. ATC was giving an eta of 60-90 minutes for engine starts for IFR departures. Based upon our FSS briefing and the delays, Brad and I decided to depart VFR. No big deal until we got to the other side of Lake Michigan. The 7000 scattered soon became 3500 broken, with visibility dropping to 3-4 miles. We thought about going above the broken layer, but decided against since the clouds were building vertically very quickly. Unfortunately, when we were about half way between Fort Wayne and Toledo, the ceiling and visibility started to drop considerably. Thankfully ATC wasn't busy and I filed IFR for the rest of the trip. I spent the next hour in hard IFR until I broke out on the approach at KOSU. This was the first time that I had been in hard IFR conditions since I got the rating and the first time that I was without an instructor. Most of my experience has just been popping up and down through the cloud layer. It got tense for a few moments, but I kept telling myself to keep the scan going and do what I was taught. Other than getting home a little more stressed out than planned, everything turned out for the best. Had I had a little more recent experience, I'm sure I would have been less stressed out. If there is any advice I can share for anyone with a newly minted IFR rating is to get as much experience in real IFR conditions as you can. I've rambled enough about my trip home. I was fortunate enough to meet many new friends and fellow RV-10 builders of which the list is too long to mention. Based upon the comments from Brad and myself, my wife has already made a decision that we'll both be there next year as long as I rent a RV for camping. We are already counting down the days until we see everyone again next year. bob ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would
you buy?
Date: Jul 29, 2007
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Until you place in print where each of the Lycoming based vendors document their product. We are waiting on apples, oranges, tangerines and kiwis as a discussion point. It is damned difficult to answer. In defense of clarity, which of the alternatives to Barrett, provide an owner with a documented Dyno run to establish the pig in a poke? To what gram weight is each component balanced. When a builder does not care, then Barrett is indeed more expensive. Another standard is which airshow performers use which RV-10 engine builder? Which rebuilder gives a complete set of documents, CDROMS and blueprints? OSH was a pretty fair playing field to get those questions answered. For price alone, Aerosport has a lot of engines flying in RV-10s. To avoid being coy. I selected Barrett, John Forsling and a Lopresti style cowl a long time ago and little has swayed my decision since. James is no LoPresti cowl. If Money were not object - the subject line question. BPAE. John Cox - 600 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77 Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:24 AM Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer, faster, stronger, lighter as advertised? How about the Lycoming X series? Others? If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost? Jeff Dalton Wings ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GenGrumpy(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 29, 2007
Subject: Please pass to Scott Reagan
Scott, I stopped by the booth at Osh on Wed hoping to find that Jepp is going to price the nav / obst data for Chelton Sports more reasonably this year. I was disappointed to hear from the lady I talked with that the price is not only NOT going down, but is planned to go UP! C'mon, Jepp. Please get real for those of us in the Chelton world, both the certified and sport versions! Price these database updates as competitively as the ones for my G-430!!! Here's hoping we see some reasonable pricing soon! John Miller ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 29, 2007
From: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays
Aircraft Extras has a relay board for the Ray Allen relays. <http://www.aircraftextras.com/RelayBoard1.htm> Any experience out there with these relays. Just about ready to mount the pair I have. -- Larry Rosen RV-10 #356 http://lrosen.nerv10.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 29, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays
At 02:35 PM 7/29/2007 Sunday, you wrote: > >Aircraft Extras has a relay board for the Ray Allen relays. ><http://www.aircraftextras.com/RelayBoard1.htm> >Any experience out there with these relays. Just about ready to mount the pair I have. > >-- >Larry Rosen >RV-10 #356 >http://lrosen.nerv10.com > Our Matronics Governor MkIII does a similar function and includes speed control in a small, reliable package: http://www.matronics.com/governor/ There are over 1000 RVs flying with the Governor MkIII! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would
you buy?
Date: Jul 29, 2007
One thing I came away with from this years show is that I am going to install an IO-540 of some kind. BPA or AeroSport both look good. I appreciate all the posts on this subject because I was about to ask the same question. I am no longer on the fence about alternatives. The only question now is certified or experimental? Dave Leikam 40496 QB Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: John W. Cox To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? Until you place in print where each of the Lycoming based vendors document their product. We are waiting on apples, oranges, tangerines and kiwis as a discussion point. It is damned difficult to answer. In defense of clarity, which of the alternatives to Barrett, provide an owner with a documented Dyno run to establish the pig in a poke? To what gram weight is each component balanced. When a builder does not care, then Barrett is indeed more expensive. Another standard is which airshow performers use which RV-10 engine builder? Which rebuilder gives a complete set of documents, CDROMS and blueprints? OSH was a pretty fair playing field to get those questions answered. For price alone, Aerosport has a lot of engines flying in RV-10s. To avoid being coy. I selected Barrett, John Forsling and a Lopresti style cowl a long time ago and little has swayed my decision since. James is no LoPresti cowl. If Money were not object - the subject line question. BPAE. John Cox - 600 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77 Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:24 AM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer, faster, stronger, lighter as advertised? How about the Lycoming X series? Others? If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost? Jeff Dalton Wings http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would
you buy?
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>
Why is Vans experimental IO-540 direct from Lycoming not rating a mention here? I just took delivery of an IO-540 and Hartzell prop from Vans for almost the same price as a BPA engine (courtesy of a recent engine price drop and Engine/prop package discount at Vans). I would have liked a Barrett engine given unlimited budget, but I don't know what level of support they can offer customers in the deeeep south. A Lycoming branded engine with no middle man should be readily supportable by engine shops here in Oz and lend themselves to any local performance enhancements they have to offer. cheers, Ron in South Australia - thinkin' about paint ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 2:50 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? One thing I came away with from this years show is that I am going to install an IO-540 of some kind. BPA or AeroSport both look good. I appreciate all the posts on this subject because I was about to ask the same question. I am no longer on the fence about alternatives. The only question now is certified or experimental? Dave Leikam 40496 QB Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: John W. Cox <mailto:johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? Until you place in print where each of the Lycoming based vendors document their product. We are waiting on apples, oranges, tangerines and kiwis as a discussion point. It is damned difficult to answer. In defense of clarity, which of the alternatives to Barrett, provide an owner with a documented Dyno run to establish the pig in a poke? To what gram weight is each component balanced. When a builder does not care, then Barrett is indeed more expensive. Another standard is which airshow performers use which RV-10 engine builder? Which rebuilder gives a complete set of documents, CDROMS and blueprints? OSH was a pretty fair playing field to get those questions answered. For price alone, Aerosport has a lot of engines flying in RV-10s. To avoid being coy. I selected Barrett, John Forsling and a Lopresti style cowl a long time ago and little has swayed my decision since. James is no LoPresti cowl. If Money were not object - the subject line question. BPAE. John Cox - 600 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77 Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:24 AM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy? Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer, faster, stronger, lighter as advertised? How about the Lycoming X series? Others? If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost? Jeff Dalton Wings http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s .com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ddddsp1(at)juno.com" <ddddsp1(at)juno.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Subject: Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays
Matt, Are you saying a person can just replace the RE-1 relays with your MK go vernor? How is yours different from the ray Allen (besides speed contro l) internally? Dean 805HL ________________________________________________________________________ 170
Matt,

Are you saying a person can just replace the RE-1 relays with your MK governor? How is yours different from the ray Allen (besides spee d control) internally?

Dean

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From: "ddddsp1(at)juno.com" <ddddsp1(at)juno.com>
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Subject: How's things in Oz?
Tom, Love the mod to your RV10. I missed you at OSH........was looking for ward to seeing your plane. Did you fly up with Ray D.? BTW...how much did that mod cost? and does it cruise at 250MPH now? :) Dean 805HL ________________________________________________________________________ 170
Tom,

Love the mod to your RV10. I missed you at OSH........wa s looking forward to seeing your plane. Did you fly up with Ray D. ? BTW...how much did that mod cost? and does it c ruise at 250MPH now? :)

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Subject: How's things in Oz?
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: "Tom Deutsch" <deutscht(at)rhwhotels.com>
I was in HBC Thurs & Friday. Grandson kept me very busy so could see many of you guys, and no one comes waaaay back to HBC. Mod cost $5-send a check and I'll ship. (just joking-send cash instead) Tom Deutsch Vice President RHW Development and Construction Services Office 913 451-1222 Fax 913 451-6493 Cell 913 908-7752 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ddddsp1(at)juno.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz? Tom, Love the mod to your RV10. I missed you at OSH........was looking forward to seeing your plane. Did you fly up with Ray D.? BTW...how much did that mod cost? and does it cruise at 250MPH now? :) Dean 805HL ________________________________________________________________________ s. font> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Trim Problem with Ray Allen Relays
At 04:38 AM 7/30/2007 Monday, you wrote: >Matt, > >Are you saying a person can just replace the RE-1 relays with your MK governor? How is yours different from the ray Allen (besides speed control) internally? > >Dean > >805HL Yes, exactly. The Governor MkIII replaces the functionality of the RE-1 plus adds the speed control functionality. The Governor MkIII uses exceptionally high quality components and we've had little issues with them when installed according to the instructions. They are available from Van's Aircraft and direct from our website: http://www.matronics.com/governor . Matt Dralle Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Subject: Re: How's things in Oz?
From: Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net>
Jon Reining wrote: > > The one thing that really made me go "Cool!" this year was Vertical Power. I know they've been out for a couple months now, but seeing a live demo really made me realize the value, and safety added, by the system. I think it will make wiring much easier as well. Marc Ausman seemed like a great guy to work with. > > > I'll second that! My biggest complaint is that it is $7k. If it were about $3k, I'd be all over that like a dog on a bone. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/ "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Subject: Re: How's things in Oz?
It's an awesome product for certain and I would have it in a heartbeat. But as you and many others I have talked with have said, it's about 2-3k above CFO approvals for the return. Now that doesn't seem like much to some but it is to many when that couple of grand is the difference between having that or traffic, or weather, or a second nav/comm., etc. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: How's things in Oz? Jon Reining wrote: > > The one thing that really made me go "Cool!" this year was Vertical Power. I know they've been out for a couple months now, but seeing a live demo really made me realize the value, and safety added, by the system. I think it will make wiring much easier as well. Marc Ausman seemed like a great guy to work with. > > I'll second that! My biggest complaint is that it is $7k. If it were about $3k, I'd be all over that like a dog on a bone. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/ "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <toaster73(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: How's things in Oz?
Date: Jul 30, 2007
John, butter my butt and call me a biscuit...could you explain further your comment " Lopresti's seminar on cowl design shows the James brothers are truly from the south" Thanks Chris Lucas #40072 Standard Build ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: PCU5000X Caution
From: "zackrv8" <zackrv8(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 30, 2007
I was hooking up my PCU5000X Prop Governor today and noticed the arm movement to go from flat pitch to coarse pitch is wrong. When I ordered the governor, I told them I was putting it on a IO-540 for a RV10. They sent me the part number that is listed on their website for an RV10., P-520-037/AL (http://pcu5000.com/pcu5000x.htm). After a conversation on the phone with Rick at Aero Technologies, the RV10 will need a different part number. So, I have to send the incorrect prop gov back and they said they will send the correct one. They correct one will have the prop control arm go from flat pitch to coarse pitch in a counter clockwise motion. Zack -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126465#126465 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: How's things in Oz?
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Maybe they drink lemonade on the porch when it's hot . . . I don't see anything about a LoPresti Cowl on Lopresti's website. Is this a new product for them? Cost? Jeff Dalton Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: How's things in Oz? John, butter my butt and call me a biscuit...could you explain further your comment " Lopresti's seminar on cowl design shows the James brothers are truly from the south" Thanks Chris Lucas #40072 Standard Build ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GenGrumpy(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Subject: Jepp database pricing
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From: GenGrumpy(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Subject: re-sending Jepp database pricing
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From: GenGrumpy(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Subject: Jepp database subscription cost
Regret the 3rd attempt, but does not appear my earlier sends got through. The below is email traffic from Jepp's Scott Reagan today. Suggest all of the list who own Chelton contact him also. Interest seems to at least be heard. Grumpy N184JM Scott, Your reply gives me some hope for optimism! I chose the Chelton Sport due to its capabilities and reliability of the Chelton name. At the time of my purchase, my avionics supplier knew very little of the future pricing strategy, but he felt it would be along the same lines as the Garmin, so I went with the Chelton. I sure hope you have some good news for us Chelton owners, especially the RV-10 crowd (like me). I look forward to seeing some good news soon! Thanks - John In a message dated 7/30/2007 10:23:54 AM Central Standard Time, Scott.Reagan(at)jeppesen.com writes: Mr. Miller, My name is Scott Reagan. I am the Director of Jeppesen's Aviation Data Services team for Business and General Aviation. A long title I know but know this, I try very hard to disprove my own theory that long titles are normally inversely proportional to one's true worth. I'll leave you to decide. I first must say that, not knowing exactly with whom you spoke, I'm not surprised you received a less than acceptable answer on this subject. The truth is only two people at the show for Jepp would have been able to adequately address the issue and neither one was female. Not a judgement, just a fact that no one outside of my team really even knows about the Chelton situation yet. The first person was myself. The second would have been Tim Howard. Tim manages my Business Development team. It is his team that has been working with Chelton. With all that said, what I can tell you is that it is currently too early for anyone to answer this question completely. I just do not have the answer yet. What I will tell you is that I have always, since I was the product manager for the services, priced services in such a way as to avoid being a determining factor for a potential buyer of avionics. In other words, the services for like systems are priced similarly. In this way when customer evaluating hardware can base the decision on the merits of the box and not on how much it costs to keep it current. One of the realities of being in the position Jeppesen is in is that we are the database of record on nearly all boxes produced today. As such, I must maintain a degree of neutrality in my pricing. I leave decisions on what data is in the box and how it is presented, for the most part, to the manufacturer. I provide only what they request or present / display. After that we evaluate data content and capabilities of the unit, categorize, and assign price. If you look at the other services Jeppesen offers in support of GPS equipment you will find this to be true, I hope. Unless something in the agreement we sign with Chelton forces us to do otherwise it is our intention to continue this approach. Have I sufficiently not answered your questions by providing enough leading information? Bottomline, it is too early to answer. Give us a couple months. The transition is currently planned for end of year. Given all that you will need to know we must have answers by the end of September and we will be communicating details throughout the remaining portion of the year. I am optimistic. Until then, feel free to check in with us but we will be in contact with you once we have something to pass along. I appreciate the email and the interest. I can only attempt to leave you with the understanding that we are thinking along the same lines and working to achieve the end results you desire. Scott Reagan Director, Aviation Data Services - BGA Jeppesen ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: PCU5000X Caution
Just to make sure, isn't the governor spring loaded to the low pitch position? Deem's pointed out the possibility of having the direction reversed if you had to rotate the arm more than 180 degrees to get it out in front like the plans show. This what happened ZACK? Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "zackrv8" <zackrv8(at)verizon.net> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:02:14 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: PCU5000X Caution I was hooking up my PCU5000X Prop Governor today and noticed the arm movement to go from flat pitch to coarse pitch is wrong. When I ordered the governor, I told them I was putting it on a IO-540 for a RV10. They sent me the part number that is listed on their website for an RV10., P-520-037/AL (http://pcu5000.com/pcu5000x.htm). After a conversation on the phone with Rick at Aero Technologies, the RV10 will need a different part number. So, I have to send the incorrect prop gov back and they said they will send the correct one. They correct one will have the prop control arm go from flat pitch to coarse pitch in a counter clockwise motion. Zack -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126465#126465 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: How's things in Oz?
I'll bet I talked/heard from with 4-5 different people @ OSH that have 'plans' to make substitute cowls for RV-10's. Some obviously think there's a market there, but I doubt it will support 4-5 vendors. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ jdalton77 wrote: > Maybe they drink lemonade on the porch when it's hot . . . > I don't see anything about a LoPresti Cowl on Lopresti's website. Is > this a new product for them? Cost? > Jeff Dalton > Wings > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Chris > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 30, 2007 5:58 PM > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: How's things in Oz? > > John, > butter my butt and call me a biscuit...could you explain further > your comment " Loprestis seminar on cowl design shows the James > brothers are truly from the south" > Thanks > Chris Lucas > #40072 Standard Build > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Subject: Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons
Date: Jul 30, 2007
I match drilled the F-1046-R Longeron today onto the F-1005E-R gusset (Section 29-9 Step #3) and don=92t like how close to the edge of the longeron the holes ended up. Edge distance is easily violated on my first attempt so the wife was kind enough to swing by Van=92s to pickup some extra AA6 0125 stock to remake the longeron (at least it=92s the shorter one right). I have been looking over this section of the plane very carefully trying to avoid having this same issue on the left side or again on the replacement longeron. The issue I am having is I don=92t see how the outside edge of the longeron can be flush against the skin and not violate the edge distance when match drilling to the gusset. I have uploaded some pictures since they usually do a better job explaining things than I can (click them to see larger versions). http://www.sinkrate.com/rv10/pics.asp?f=sec29 Pic #1 shows the poorly drilled longeron with the holes being too close to the edge Pic #2 shows a scrap piece of =BE AA6 angle showing the position of the longeron when I drilled it. Pic #3 shows how the longeron should be positioned to provide adequate edge distance. Pic #4 is a top down view of pic 3. Pic #3 is a little aggressive in that I think I could position the longeron about half way between the skin and its current position and come out ok but that would still pull on the skin pretty hard when riveting to the longeron. I think if I clamped it more firmly and made sure that all 5 of the holes had the spacing showing on the forward most hole in picture #1 it would be acceptable but I thought I would send an email to see what others think. Any thoughts, comments, advice on what others did on this step? THX -Ben Westfall PDX 40579 ' Fuse Side Skins=85 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: PCU5000X Caution
From: "zackrv8" <zackrv8(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 30, 2007
Rick, You are correct about the gov being spring loaded to the flat pitch position. This is what I have. However, my gov is spring loaded to the flat pitch position opposite of what it should be to work on the Rv10 correctly. Take a close look at the pictures below. Deem's plane has the correct gov. My gov is opposite of his. My gov rotates clockwise to coarse pitch. It should rotate CCW. The arm is easy to reposition. All you do is loosen up the 6 screws and rotate it to your desired position. However, it still needs to rotate CCW to work on the RV10 correctly. Zack -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126516#126516 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc08456_708.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04862_207.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Neal George" <n8zg(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: How's things in Oz?
Date: Jul 30, 2007
John - Yawner...? You must have missed the Aeroshell Aerobatic Team's performances... 8-O And John Mohr is downright inspiring. ('course, they're good friends...but...) Ahhh...Round Engines ! neal RV-7 N8ZG (cowling) _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: How's things in Oz? The airshow each day was a yawner except for the cold one consumed just outside the security fence while we watched and listened to EAA -AM radio 1510. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Jul 30, 2007
These guys rock. They are the best. I bought the XRX last year and used it for about 3 months in my C182S before selling the airplane. The unit is the best deal in collision avoidance. It is an absolute no brainer for safety. They have a great program. They offered to upgrade my software for free if I just return the unit. After the upgrade - the unit will drive the GPSMap 496 with one wire. I am arranging to set the XRX up above the panel and have it wired to the 496 in the panel. They are also working on the new in panel unit with the exterior antenna and the president (Jason Clemens) told me that they would exchange my unit ($1700 paid) and give me FULL credit toward the new in panel unit (est price I believe is about $3500). Is that an awesome offer or what? Jason Clemens the CEO is very commited to the program as he had a friend who was killed in a traffic pattern accident that he felt was avoidable. Nice people to deal with and they are committed to bringing collision avoidance products to the market at affordable prices. Nothing else in the market comes close. -------- OSH '08 or Bust Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126543#126543 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vernon Smith <planesmith(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons
Date: Jul 31, 2007
I ran into the same problem and this is what I found. If you look at your p icture #1 the aft hole has much less edge clearance than the front hole. By twisting the F-1005-E inward slightly (counter clockwise on the left one) it will improve the edge clearance on the aft hole. Next on picture #2 the longeron is pushed up hard against the outer skin, to the point it is bowin g the skin out at the top. Try moving the longeron in just a little as this skin edge will blend into the fiberglass cabin top. Oh and yes there isn't much play here. Also, when you pick up new angle at Van's take a camera along and ask to ta ke pictures of a quick build fuse if they have one in stock. Vern Smith (#324 fuselage systems) From: rv10(at)sinkrate.comTo: rv10-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: Enoug h OSH back to builder support - LongeronsDate: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:28:32 -0 700 I match drilled the F-1046-R Longeron today onto the F-1005E-R gusset (Sect ion 29-9 Step #3) and don=92t like how close to the edge of the longeron th e holes ended up. Edge distance is easily violated on my first attempt so the wife was kind enough to swing by Van=92s to pickup some extra AA6 0125 stock to remake the longeron (at least it=92s the shorter one right). I ha ve been looking over this section of the plane very carefully trying to avo id having this same issue on the left side or again on the replacement long eron. The issue I am having is I don=92t see how the outside edge of the longeron can be flush against the skin and not violate the edge distance when match drilling to the gusset. I have uploaded some pictures since they usually do a better job explaining things than I can (click them to see larger vers ions). http://www.sinkrate.com/rv10/pics.asp?f=sec29 Pic #1 shows the poorly drilled longeron with the holes being too close to the edge Pic #2 shows a scrap piece of =BE AA6 angle showing the position of the lon geron when I drilled it. Pic #3 shows how the longeron should be positioned to provide adequate edge distance. Pic #4 is a top down view of pic 3. Pic #3 is a little aggressive in that I think I could position the longeron about half way between the skin and its current position and come out ok b ut that would still pull on the skin pretty hard when riveting to the longe ron. I think if I clamped it more firmly and made sure that all 5 of the holes h ad the spacing showing on the forward most hole in picture #1 it would be a cceptable but I thought I would send an email to see what others think. Any thoughts, comments, advice on what others did on this step? THX -Ben Westfall PDX 40579 ' Fuse Side Skins=85 _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one pla ce! Find it! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: How's things in Oz?
From: "marcausman" <marc(at)verticalpower.com>
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Michael and other RV builders - If you are interested in the product, and price is the last deciding factor, I encourage you to do an analysis of the savings that come from the product. First, there are many things you don't have to buy like breakers, switches, dimmers, wig mag modules, flap control modules, trim relays controls, trim-flap modules, over-voltage and undervoltage protection modules, annunciator panels, etc. These add up to a few thousand dollars. If you're having your panel built by one of our dealers like Stein or Aerotronics, you can save some more money on labor, as the panel is much simpler and labor charges will be lower. The net cost of the system is not that much more than a traditional system in many cases. And you'll save a bunch of time in the wiring phase, which the CFO will approve of. All food for thought. :D On a separate note, the team has been working very hard over the last year and so Vertical Power will be closed the rest of this week and back next Wed (Aug 8th). Glad to have met you at the BBQ, and hope you can now get things going again and the plane finished relatively soon! Marc rvbuilder(at)sausen.net wrote: > It's an awesome product for certain and I would have it in a heartbeat. But as you and many others I have talked with have said, it's about 2-3k above CFO approvals for the return. Now that doesn't seem like much to some but it is to many when that couple of grand is the difference between having that or traffic, or weather, or a second nav/comm., etc. > > Michael > > -- -------- Marc Ausman http://www.verticalpower.com RV-7 IO-390 Flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126588#126588 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me
Date: Jul 31, 2007
A reason to stop staring at your instruments in the panel and actually fly the plane...at least when there a a flock of geese around. A single goose on the other hand is a different story. JOhn >From: "BOB LURIE" <rdlurie(at)pacbell.net> >To: "jen/john" >Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me >Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:25:57 -0700 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: BOB LURIE >To: Chuck Keezer >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:29 PM >Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mike >To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:26 PM >Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me > > > Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, getting "goosed." > > Amazing what a goose can do! > > Meeting a goose at 185 knots can ruin your day. The pilot was >injured but was able to land the aircraft (Beech Baron) safely. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2007
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System
Questions I like that. As soon as they come out with a panel mount version I will ma ke a purchase. Did they give you any indication of if and when they were g oing to do that? =0AI have the older Trafficscope right now and it was sure nice flying out with it. There were 3 times we had traffic very close and sure enough, a plane (going to Oshkosh) would be close. That is one thing very nice about the RV-10. You can almost see 360 degrees around the plane looking for traffic. =0A =0AADS-B would be the only thing that would keep me from upgrading but I think they are still a few years away from making that a widespread system. Does anyone know what type of equipment will be needed for it? I know there were some forums on it but for the first time in many years I didn't make it to one forum. Maybe someone who attended on e of the forums can give us an update. I know MIT is doing some work on it and they are looking for a private company to continue development and mai ntenance of it. =0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com =0A=0A=0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Paul Grimstad <bldgrv10450(at)comcast.n et>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:36:31 PM =0ASubject: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Questions=0A=0A=0AI saw this Zaon system at OSH coupled with a 496. Check it out at: http://www.zaonflight.com/component/option,com_docman/tas k,doc_view/gid,5/ The $75.00 patch cord opens a window in the corner of a Garmin 496 screen. =0A =0AIs anyone using this system? How about other syst ems? What do you have for traffic?=0A =0APaul Grimstad=0ARV10 40450=0APortl ===== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: PCU5000X Caution
Date: Jul 31, 2007
I missed the wide deck/narrow deck discussion but Zack's msg made me concerned about my PCU5000. I called John at Aero Technologies for clarification (800-323-4130). Here is what he told me. Narrow deck engines require the .895 to 1 ratio, wide deck the .947 to 1. The governor arm can be repositioned by loosening the 6 screws and rotating the head but direction of rotation is done at the factory. Direction of rotation depends on whether you attach the cable from below or above the governor. The center shaft moves out away from the body of the PCU going to coarse pitch. John said if you have a PCU5000 with the incorrect ratio, one full turn on the fine pitch stop will correct the rpm. 1 turn out will increase rpm, 1 turn in will decrease it. So it turns out even if I have the wrong ratio, I don't need to return the unit. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ N991RV painting. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: PCU5000X Caution Sure enough...MY MT was OK from Van's only thing we had to do to it was rotate the arm then , hopefully not, adjust the RPM if needed. Just incase anyone missed the narrow deck/wide deck gov. discussions on the model purchased from Van's. Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:36:28 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Re: PCU5000X Caution Rick, You are correct about the gov being spring loaded to the flat pitch position. This is what I have. However, my gov is spring loaded to the flat pitch position opposite of what it should be to work on the Rv10 correctly. Take a close look at the pictures below. Deem's plane has the correct gov. My gov is opposite of his. My gov rotates clockwise to coarse pitch. It should rotate CCW. The arm is easy to reposition. All you do is loosen up the 6 screws and rotate it to your desired position. However, it still needs to rotate CCW to work on the RV10 correctly. Zack -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc08456_708.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04862_207.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: What Spark Plugs are people using for Top/Bottom and what ignition?
Date: Jul 31, 2007
From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com>
I now have almost 300 hours on my RV-10 and it was time to look into maybe a better plug to use for the bottom set. I talked to Unison at Osh and they had thought the Unison UREM37BY would be a good fit since it had the extended electrode for the bottom plugs. I then looked at an Service Instruction publication http://www.lycoming.textron.com/support/publications/service-instructions /pdfs/SI1042Y.pdf on Lycoming web site for Approved Spark Plugs and they did not list the 37BY as an approved plug. So now I have ordered the Unison UREM38S which are the uridium fine wire plugs at $44 each. They by the way were listed as approved plugs. Currently I have UREM38E on both top and bottom with Slick Mags on both sides, this is how it came from America's Aircraft Engines. Anyway I will try the new iridium plugs on the bottom and see how they perform. Does anyone have any idea on how long the dirrent plugs should last in our RV-10's? On a different note, I have also destroyed one EGT probe that came from Dynon. I have 6 EGT probes and my #2 cylinder was telling me it was > 1550 when the others were around 1400 while running LOP. I knew something was not right so I swapped the EGT probes in the #2 and #4 cylinders and went flying. Guess what, now the #4 cylinder was hotter than the rest by 150 degrees. So now I know that the EGT is faulty. Both probes look the same and I was wondering if cleaning them somehow will help. I posted a message on Dynon's board and then thought that getting 200 - 300 hours on an EGT probe while running LOP was about right. They said they have always thought of EGT probes as consumables. First off, I would think that running LOP would be easier on the probe since the EGT are down because of reduced power. Can anyone share there experiences on EGT probes and there expected life? Thank You Ray Doerr 40250 N519RV (Hobbs 292) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Subject: Re: How's things in Oz?
From: Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net>
marcausman wrote: > The net cost of the system is not that much more than a traditional system in many cases. And you'll save a bunch of time in the wiring phase, which the CFO will approve of. All food for thought. :D Hi Marc, I'm curious how you arrived at that conclusion. My estimate is that the Vertical Power system (the glass panel version) would be somewhere over 3x the cost of the traditional system I had been thinking about installing. Do you have a detailed cost breakout of everything that your system replaces versus a traditional system? Thanks, -Dj -- Dj Merrill Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 http://econ.duke.edu/~deej/sportsman/ "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Indran Chelvanayagam <dc71(at)netspace.net.au>
Subject: Re: Fw: Please don't goose me
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Unless the code name for a Cessna 180 is a goose the cause for the damage in the photos was a mid-air collision with an aircraft. See Avweb newswire March 21, 2004 for the story : http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/213-full.html#186939 (halfway down the page) Definitely another reason for traffic avoidance systems Indran #40228 - looks like an aeroplane but isn't one yet. On 31/07/2007, at 10:57 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > A reason to stop staring at your instruments in the panel and > actually fly the plane...at least when there a a flock of geese > around. A single goose on the other hand is a different story. >> >> Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, getting "goosed." >> >> Amazing what a goose can do! >> >> Meeting a goose at 185 knots can ruin your day. The pilot >> was injured but was able to land the aircraft (Beech Baron) safely. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GRANSCOTT(at)AOL.COM
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Subject: Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System
Qu... In a message dated 7/31/2007 11:12:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com writes: ADS-B would be the only thing that would keep me from upgrading but I think they are still a few years away from making that a widespread system. Does anyone know what type of equipment will be needed for it? Scott, My memory may be faulty but I seem to remember someone from the FAA saying that they estimated the cost of equipment to be in the $20-30k area for each plane. Is anyone on line from Alaska as the Capstone system is being integrated? P ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2007
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Subject: Re: Enough OSH back to builder support - Longerons
http://www.jline.com/log/aviation/build/fusekit/photos/sec29/IMG_4645.html This was my result. i just did this a few days ago. This part, and this entire section has been very tricky. I just clamped and twisted until i had at least a parallel line of holes with the edge, and barely maintained edge distance. however, even though everything was clamped, the end result still produced a small gap (1 or 2 32nds) between the longeron and skin for some reason. if the skin were perfectly flushed, then i don't think edge distance would have been maintained by that gap. i too would be curious to see photos of quickbuilds in this area. drilling all those weldments was a lot of work too! Jae 40533 getting beat up by the fuse side skins ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Please don't goose me
Date: Jul 31, 2007
John, That was not a goose, but the main gear from a Cessna 182. The midair occurred north of Palmdale, CA. The Cessna crashed and the Baron pilot was lucky to get it on the ground. Geese are still dangerous, but did not cause this damage. Take Care, Max ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: RV10-List: Fw: Please don't goose me >A reason to stop staring at your instruments in the panel and actually fly > the plane...at least when there a a flock of geese around. A single goose > on > the other hand is a different story. > > JOhn > > >>From: "BOB LURIE" <rdlurie(at)pacbell.net> >>To: "jen/john" >>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me >>Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:25:57 -0700 >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: BOB LURIE >>To: Chuck Keezer >>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:29 PM >>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mike >>To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; >>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:26 PM >>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me >> >> >> >> >> >> Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, getting "goosed." >> >> Amazing what a goose can do! >> >> Meeting a goose at 185 knots can ruin your day. The pilot was >>injured but was able to land the aircraft (Beech Baron) safely. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>See what's free at AOL.com. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: cloudvalley(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance
System
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Hi Mike, It sounds like you are moving right along with your RV 10. We sold ours and bought a Cirrus. So we will be going to Oshkosh next year. Otherwise, we are not sure we would have made it!. Good luck with yours. Brian and Ruth -------------- Original message -------------- From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> > > These guys rock. They are the best. I bought the XRX last year and used it for > about 3 months in my C182S before selling the airplane. > > The unit is the best deal in collision avoidance. It is an absolute no brainer > for safety. They have a great program. They offered to upgrade my software for > free if I just return the unit. After the upgrade - the unit will drive the > GPSMap 496 with one wire. I am arranging to set the XRX up above the panel and > have it wired to the 496 in the panel. > > They are also working on the new in panel unit with the exterior antenna and the > president (Jason Clemens) told me that they would exchange my unit ($1700 paid) > and give me FULL credit toward the new in panel unit (est price I believe is > about $3500). Is that an awesome offer or what? > > Jason Clemens the CEO is very commited to the program as he had a friend who was > killed in a traffic pattern accident that he felt was avoidable. Nice people to > deal with and they are committed to bringing collision avoidance products to the > market at affordable prices. Nothing else in the market comes close. > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126543#126543 > > > > > > > > > >
Hi Mike,

It sounds like you are moving right along with your RV 10. We sold ours and bought a Cirrus. So we will be going to Oshkosh next year. Otherwise, we are not sure we would have made it!. Good luck with yours.

Brian and Ruth

> --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"
>
> These guys rock. They are the best. I bought the XRX last year and used it for
> about 3 months in my C182S before selling the airplane.
>
> The unit is the best deal in collision avoidance. It is an absolute no brainer
> for safety. They have a great program. They offered to upgrade my software for
> free if I just return the unit. After the upgrade - the unit will drive the
> GPSMap 496 with one wire. I am arranging to set the XRX up above the panel and
> have it wired to the 496 in the panel.
>
> They are also working on the new in panel unit with the exterior antenna and the
> president (Jason Clemens) told me that they would excha List

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From: <rvmail(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Re: How's things in Oz?
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Marc, I too have some of the same concerns as Michael. I think you have a great product, but my gut is telling me that I can use traditional technology at a much less expensive price point (2x-3x savings). I suspect that Michael and I aren't the only ones thinking this at the moment. So here's my request: Develop a white paper of exactly was is the cost comparison would be using traditional technology versus your product. If the cost is as close as you indicate, then the white paper should help convince us with tight budgets to take the plunge. I did enjoy meeting and talking with your team at Michael's last week. I think you have a great product, I just can't afford it at the moment. bob > > From: "marcausman" <marc(at)verticalpower.com> > Date: 2007/07/31 Tue AM 09:56:34 EST > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: How's things in Oz? > > > Michael and other RV builders - > > If you are interested in the product, and price is the last deciding factor, I encourage you to do an analysis of the savings that come from the product. First, there are many things you don't have to buy like breakers, switches, dimmers, wig mag modules, flap control modules, trim relays controls, trim-flap modules, over-voltage and undervoltage protection modules, annunciator panels, etc. These add up to a few thousand dollars. > > If you're having your panel built by one of our dealers like Stein or Aerotronics, you can save some more money on labor, as the panel is much simpler and labor charges will be lower. > > The net cost of the system is not that much more than a traditional system in many cases. And you'll save a bunch of time in the wiring phase, which the CFO will approve of. All food for thought. :D > > On a separate note, the team has been working very hard over the last year and so Vertical Power will be closed the rest of this week and back next Wed (Aug 8th). > > Glad to have met you at the BBQ, and hope you can now get things going again and the plane finished relatively soon! > > Marc > > > > rvbuilder(at)sausen.net wrote: > > It's an awesome product for certain and I would have it in a heartbeat. But as you and many others I have talked with have said, it's about 2-3k above CFO approvals for the return. Now that doesn't seem like much to some but it is to many when that couple of grand is the difference between having that or traffic, or weather, or a second nav/comm., etc. > > > > Michael > > > > -- > > > -------- > Marc Ausman > http://www.verticalpower.com > RV-7 IO-390 Flying > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=126588#126588 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Please don't goose me
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Thanks guys for the correction, I will forward that information to the people who emailed it to me. Notice that my email was a Forward. Unfortunely the blood on the seats, didn't belong to a bird. I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, I GOT GOOSED. >From: "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler(at)msn.com> >Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fw: Please don't goose me >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:16:10 -0500 > > >John, >That was not a goose, but the main gear from a Cessna 182. The midair >occurred north of Palmdale, CA. The Cessna crashed and the Baron pilot was >lucky to get it on the ground. >Geese are still dangerous, but did not cause this damage. > >Take Care, >Max > >----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com> >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:57 AM >Subject: RV10-List: Fw: Please don't goose me > > >>A reason to stop staring at your instruments in the panel and actually fly >>the plane...at least when there a a flock of geese around. A single goose >>on >>the other hand is a different story. >> >>JOhn >> >> >>>From: "BOB LURIE" <rdlurie(at)pacbell.net> >>>To: "jen/john" >>>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me >>>Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 09:25:57 -0700 >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: BOB LURIE >>>To: Chuck Keezer >>>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:29 PM >>>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mike >>>To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; >>>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:26 PM >>>Subject: Fw: Please don't goose me >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, getting "goosed." >>> >>> Amazing what a goose can do! >>> >>> Meeting a goose at 185 knots can ruin your day. The pilot was >>>injured but was able to land the aircraft (Beech Baron) safely. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>See what's free at AOL.com. >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2007
From: "Rick Leach" <papadaddyo(at)tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Horizontal stab etc
For those that have already been past this intersection, would you suggest attaching the horizontal stab, vertical stab, and rudder assemblies prior to attaching to the fus. Seems to me that you could save some time by installing and rigging those items after attaching to the fus. Particularly since you have to disassemble those items to get the fairing on. Comments. Rick Leach 40397 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: neil <ncol(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: AT LAST! The pile of bits is gone.
Date: Aug 01, 2007
We have got one more days finishing up to do on our RV10, then it's off to the paint shop. For those interested it has basically taken two of us, full time, from March through to now. Included in that time was about a month of doing our own panel & tunnel & associated extra work. Also a fair bit of messing around with the James cowl & plenum / BPE cold air setup. It's all on, & fits nicely. We should know in a month how well it works. We have done all our own wiring. Next time, I'd definitely get Stein to do the panel. (& thanks for sorting out the Chelton / D2A mess) We used EXACTLY 8 litres of primer. Best money spent - Tungsten bucking bar from Stein Best money saved - No mis-dimpled holes - no pneumatic squeezer! but we killed 3 hand squeezer internals! Cheapest useful tool - homemade holefinder. Abby's interior was great. No parts missing from kit - just a few bolts & nutplates short - probably because we used them on our changes. Most used websites for help - Tim & Deems. Both have been v helpful in private emails. Most fun part - riveting. Worst part - filling pinholes. Neil & Sarah - with help from Mike, and quality control by Robin. ZK-RVT - first of type in New Zealand. kit no 40593. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2007
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Horizontal stab
Rick : I'm still working on the fuse. I did assemble everything with regular nuts just to make sure everything fit. Yes, it will have to go on and off a couple times before the final fit. When I finally put it together for the last time, I'll use the locknuts and put the correct torque on them. Also, when you do put the horizontal stablizer on, make sure you have left some wire or string to pull the cables through. As I remember, it was about 1 1/2 hrs to get them to come through. Dr Fred. 40515 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Subject: Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System
Questions
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
The so called "panel mount" Zaon unit will still be technically a "portable" system in that the unit can be placed "under the seat" and the antennas can be placed outside or on the dash. Antennas do not require any special approval (other than logbook) for installation, even if it is attached to a "portable device." Being a "portable" device, approvals will not be required and thus cost can remain low. I thought they said that this new "portable" system would be only a few (2) hundred more than the current system. It will not have it's own display however. It is designed to be connected to another display such as the 496/430/etc. As for ADS-B, know then that the FAA has announced two mediums for ADS-B support in the US. They are 1090 MHz ES and UAT at 978 MHz. Initially it was thought that air carriers would utilize 1090 MHz ES (since they all already have Mode S) and GA would utilize UAT. UAT is thought to be cheaper and provide greater data transfer rates but from Garmin's announcement below, 1090MHz ES may become the de facto standard even for GA. Garmin has announced support for 1090 MHz ES frequency support on forthcoming GTX-330 transponders. They will be available at the end of 4Q '07. http://www8.garmin.com/pressroom/aviation/072407.html With the updated 1090 MHz ES transponder, you will have the capability to send and receive ADS-B messages, but you will still need an additional box to process the send/receive data. As far as I know, no such box currently exist. The Garmin GDL 90 (https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID 1&pID=6436) supports UAT but may be overkill for most as it includes a built in WAAS GPS receiver. Hopefully once the Garmin 1090 ES GTX-330 transponder is available, someone will come out with an inexpensive box that would interface with your existing GPS navigator and the 1090 MHz ES GTX-330 transponder to provide ADS-B functionality. I know, clear as mud but hopefully by this time next year it really will be clear as products begin to appear. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ -------- Original Message -------- > > I like that. As soon as they come out with a panel mount version I will make a purchase. Did they give you any indication of if and when they were going to do that? I have the older Trafficscope right now and it was sure nice flying out with it. There were 3 times we had traffic very close and sure enough, a plane (going to Oshkosh) would be close. That is one thing very nice about the RV-10. You can almost see 360 degrees around the plane looking for traffic. ADS-B would be the only thing that would keep me from upgrading but I think they are still a few years away from making that a widespread system. Does anyone know what type of equipment will be needed for it? I know there were some forums on it but for the first time in many years I didn't make it to one forum. Maybe someone who attended one of the forums can give us an update. I know MIT is doing some work on it and they are looking for a private company to continue development and maintenance of it. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul Grimstad <bldgrv10450(at)comcast.net> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:36:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Questions I saw this Zaon system at OSH coupled with a 496. Check it out at: http://www.zaonflight.com/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_view/gid,5/ The $75.00 patch cord opens a window in the corner of a Garmin 496 screen. Is anyone using this system? How about other systems? What do you have for traffic? Paul Grimstad RV10 40450 Portl====== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ed Wischmeyer <edwisch(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Trade for F-1 Rocket or RV-8
Date: Jul 31, 2007
Folks - Change of circumstances mean that a pristine straight-tail Cessna (www.greatusermanuals.com/c175) and an AirCam (912S engines, basic panel and avionics, 200 SNEW, $78,000) are looking for good homes. Both aircraft are in Prescott, Arizona, but I'm moving in a few weeks and would like to find them new homes promptly. As for me, I'll be looking to rejoin the yank and bank crowd with an F-1 Rocket, preferably the Evo wing, or maybe an RV-8 with a constant speed prop. I'm not looking for an over-equipped, pricey aircraft, but something that's properly and skillfully built -- pride of ownership, as they say in real estate. Other possibilities are a flying aircraft but without the fancy panel and super-tuned engine (could reduce your liability), or a kit that's well along. I'm moving to Cedar Rapids, IA, to work at RockwellCollins. They've got hundreds of openings for engineers, but if you know of somebody who's interested, please let me know before they apply so that I can get credit$. thanks Ed Wischmeyer ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509(at)msn.com>
Subject: What Spark Plugs are people using for Top/Bottom and what
ignition?
Date: Jul 31, 2007
I ordered the UREM38S plugs from Skygeek about three weeks ago. First they told me they would ship 7/15 and now I'm being told it will be the end of July - maybe. Anyway I cleaned the bottom plugs (Lightspeed on top) and completed the annual. If and when they come in I'll install at next oil change. Mark N410MR >From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com> >Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV10-List: What Spark Plugs are people using for Top/Bottom and >what ignition? >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:33:58 -0500 > > I now have almost 300 hours on my RV-10 and it was time to >look into maybe a better plug to use for the bottom set. I talked to >Unison at Osh and they had thought the Unison UREM37BY would be a good fit >since it had the extended electrode for the bottom plugs. I then looked at >an Service Instruction publication >http://www.lycoming.textron.com/support/publications/service-instructions/pdfs/SI1042Y.pdf >on Lycoming web site for Approved Spark Plugs and they did not list the >37BY as an approved plug. So now I have ordered the Unison UREM38S which >are the uridium fine wire plugs at $44 each. They by the way were listed >as approved plugs. Currently I have UREM38E on both top and bottom with >Slick Mags on both sides, this is how it came from America's Aircraft >Engines. > > Anyway I will try the new iridium plugs on the bottom and see >how they perform. Does anyone have any idea on how long the dirrent plugs >should last in our RV-10's? > > > On a different note, I have also destroyed one EGT probe that >came from Dynon. I have 6 EGT probes and my #2 cylinder was telling me it >was > 1550 when the others were around 1400 while running LOP. I knew >something was not right so I swapped the EGT probes in the #2 and #4 >cylinders and went flying. Guess what, now the #4 cylinder was hotter than >the rest by 150 degrees. So now I know that the EGT is faulty. Both >probes look the same and I was wondering if cleaning them somehow will >help. I posted a message on Dynon's board and then thought that getting >200 - 300 hours on an EGT probe while running LOP was about right. They >said they have always thought of EGT probes as consumables. First off, I >would think that running LOP would be easier on the probe since the EGT are >down because of reduced power. Can anyone share there experiences on EGT >probes and there expected life? > > >Thank You >Ray Doerr >40250 > >N519RV (Hobbs 292) > _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: AT LAST! The pile of bits is gone.
Neil, Congrats! Nice job! and in record time. I'm amazed at what you've done. so when are you planning the trans pacific crossing? Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mike Kraus" <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: For Sale: Blue Mountain Avionics EFIS/One w/ Dual Displays
Date: Jul 31, 2007
I have decided to sell my blue mountain avionics EFIS/One G3 and upgrade to a G4 version. This unit has never been installed or flown in an airplane. It was one of their demo units for a trade show and offered to me at a small discount when I purchased it in January 2006. I have been playing with it on the bench quite a few times and it works perfectly. I can power up the unit and send detailed pictures to anyone seriously interested in purchasing this unit. Details: * Generation 3 gold box * Connections from the box have been rotated (by blue mountain avionics) for rear exit for easier installation in most aircraft * Dual Screens for pilot and co-pilot * Magnetometer * Programming Keyboard * Analog 3 Card for 16 additional sensors (allows engine monitor functions for 6 or more cylinders) * One year Nav Data updates * All documentation, wiring, GPS antenna, etc that came from the factory I can deliver this unit in a reasonable flying distance from SE Michigan. Cost New in 2006: EFIS/One $14,975 Dual Display $ 1,895 Analog 3 card $ 795 Nav Data 1 year $ 395 Total New in 1996 = $18,060 Asking price is $9,995 If you like the blue mountain avionics products, you won't be disappointed. This is a great opportunity to get a nice system for almost half price! Please e-mail or call with questions. Thanks -Mike Kraus 517-414-4070 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: neil <ncol(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: AT LAST! The pile of bits is gone.
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Thanks Deems Hopefully we'll see you all at Osh next year - assuming it all goes well with the long range tests. Neil On 1 Aug 2007, at 11:13, Deems Davis wrote: > > Neil, Congrats! Nice job! and in record time. I'm amazed at what > you've done. so when are you planning the trans pacific crossing? > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done....Its just not put together' > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 31, 2007
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System
Qu... Patrick, I sat through a presentation by Embry Riddle. They bought ADSB for all their aircraft and helped get Daytona and Prescott ATC equipped for it. IIRC they got Garmin 430's, ADSB link transponder and MX-20 display for around $15K installed, per plane. Of course they were buying several hundred units. On 7/31/07, GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/31/2007 11:12:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com writes: > ADS-B would be the only thing that would keep me from upgrading but I think > they are still a few years away from making that a widespread system. Does > anyone know what type of equipment will be needed for it? > Scott, > > My memory may be faulty but I seem to remember someone from the FAA saying > that they estimated the cost of equipment to be in the $20-30k area for each > plane. Is anyone on line from Alaska as the Capstone system is being > integrated? > > P > > > ________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: billet aircraft handles
Date: Aug 01, 2007
Ha, you'll have to drop it off on a Friday with full tanks and pick it up on Monday weather permitting......seriously, they only take about 2-3 hours per door. Come on up on a Sunday, we'll send the wife's to the casino and we can get em done. Steve dinieri Iflyrv10.com capsteve(at)adelphia.net -----Original Message----- From: Lloyd, Daniel R. [mailto:LloydDR(at)wernerco.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles Does this mean if I fly up and give rides you can have them installed in time for me to paint the plane on AUG 21? I would really like them but do not want mess up the paint afterwards and who better to install them than the manufacturer? Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles Hi David, they're 450 a pair, and that includes handles, cut template, pushrod attach saddles, pushrod guide, linkages, photo install manual and screws/washers. Thanks, Steve dinieri 40205 Iflyrv10.com capsteve(at)adelphia.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Maib Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: billet aircraft handles I am interested. What will the first run price be? David Maib 40559 QB wings On Jul 21, 2007, at 7:24 PM, Steven DiNieri wrote: > > > I apologize for the wasted bandwidth, as I know some people get > uptight about commercial use of the list (rightfully so...) that being > said, I had designed a custom rv-10 billet aluminum handle and install > kit and posted some preproduction photos a few months back. I had a > lot of interest and had compiled a list of interested people. > Unfortunately I lost(fried) the computer that held that information. > If you were/are interested please drop me a new e-mail or visit the > website. > Note: the price is reduced by 150 bucks for the first run!! > Steven dinieri > 40205 > Iflyrv10.com > capsteve(at)adelphia.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 01, 2007
From: "James K Hovis" <james.k.hovis(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Fly-In Aug 4
All, My local airport (H-88) at Fredericktown, MO is hosting a fly-in Saturday Aug 4. Any RV's in the area would be most welcome by me. I plan to be there around 10:00AM. Food and refreshments are planned to be available. Keivn Hovis. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 01, 2007
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System
Qu... Wow, not too cheap. But it does have weather and traffic info on it correc t? And there is no monthly fee (right now) correct? =0ASo if it were to co st $15,000 it would take about 16 years to break even if you compared it to a Garmin 496 with XRX and the $50/month XM subscription. =0A =0AScott Schm idt=0Ascottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFro m: Kelly McMullen =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:04:57 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Flight S ystems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Qu...=0A=0A=0A--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" =0A=0APatrick, I sat through a presentation by Embry Riddle. They bought=0AADSB for all their a ircraft and helped get Daytona and Prescott ATC=0Aequipped for it. IIRC th ey got Garmin 430's, ADSB link transponder=0Aand MX-20 display for around $ 15K installed, per plane. Of course they=0Awere buying several hundred unit s.=0A=0AOn 7/31/07, GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A >=0A> In a message dated 7/31/2007 11:12:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=0A> s cottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com writes:=0A> ADS-B would be the only thing that would keep me from upgrading but I think=0A> they are still a few years away fro m making that a widespread system. Does=0A> anyone know what type of equip ment will be needed for it?=0A> Scott,=0A>=0A> My memory may be faulty but I seem to remember someone from the FAA saying=0A> that they estimated the cost of equipment to be in the $20-30k area for each=0A> plane. Is anyone on line from Alaska as the Capstone system is being=0A> integrated?=0A>=0A> ===================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 01, 2007
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System
Qu... Yes, it has wx and traffic........in theory. I do not recall the source on the wx. Traffic is ONLY what is detected by ground radar (like TIS) plus other ADSB equipped aircraft. It does not detect other transponder equipped aircraft that the radar doesn't see, nor any non-transponder aircraft/birds, etc. For example, at Embry Riddle in Prescott, there is only a center radar feed to the tower, and it doesn't see the lower altitudes, plus tower has ADSB feed, so it can see all of ER aircraft, but not necessarily other aircraft, given the number of mountains in the area. On 8/1/07, Scott Schmidt wrote: > > > Wow, not too cheap. But it does have weather and traffic info on it > correct? And there is no monthly fee (right now) correct? > So if it were to cost $15,000 it would take about 16 years to break even if > you compared it to a Garmin 496 with XRX and the $50/month XM subscription. > Scott Schmidt > scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 02, 2007
Subject: Re: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System
Qu... In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, apilot2(at)gmail.com writes: I sat through a presentation by Embry Riddle. They bought ADSB for all their aircraft and helped get Daytona and Prescott ATC equipped for it. IIRC they got Garmin 430's, ADSB link transponder and MX-20 display for around $15K installed, per plane. Of course they were buying several hundred units. So the $20-30k maybe in the ball park? P http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System
Qu...
Date: Aug 02, 2007
From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com>
Since I already have a pair of Garmin GNS 430W's and the GTX 330 in my RV-10, I am sure hoping that I could have a full ADBS system with this new Garmin blackbox and a GTX 330 upgrade. I hope this solution will provide the full benefits of ADSB including the weather and that we aren't forced to go to the more expensive GDL 90 to get the full feature set that ADSB will provide. Thank You Ray Doerr 40250 N519RV ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:40 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Flight Systems XRX Portable Collision Avoidance System Qu... In a message dated 8/1/2007 1:06:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, apilot2(at)gmail.com writes: I sat through a presentation by Embry Riddle. They bought ADSB for all their aircraft and helped get Daytona and Prescott ATC equipped for it. IIRC they got Garmin 430's, ADSB link transponder and MX-20 display for around $15K installed, per plane. Of course they were buying several hundred units. So the $20-30k maybe in the ball park? P AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Subject: high oil temp
Date: Aug 02, 2007
Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be expected. I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat. I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my performance. Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year? I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff. Thanks, Rob Kermanj ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Deutsch" <deutscht(at)rhwhotels.com>
Subject: high oil temp
Date: Aug 02, 2007
What were your temps for crusie and at what altitude? -----Original Message----- From: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> Sent: 8/2/2007 9:17 AM Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be expected. I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat. I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my performance. Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year? I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff. Thanks, Rob Kermanj ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: high oil temp
Date: Aug 02, 2007
From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com>
I see the same thing on very hot days. I can usually climb out at 800 ft/min until the oil get to 225, then I back off to 500 ft/min. Once I'm at attitude (around 8500 - 12500) the temps are around 190 using 70 - 75% power. Your right that it really limits your performance because of the oil temp while the cylinder temps are fine. I have the stock Van's cowl and oil cooler and I have seal up by baffling very well and RTV'ed everywhere. My next thoughts are to possibly install another louver just under where the oil cooler is to provide more exit air for it. The other option is to swap the oil cooler out, but that a $500 cost. Thank You Ray Doerr 40250 N519RV -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:53 AM Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be expected. I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat. I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my performance. Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year? I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff. Thanks, Rob Kermanj ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: high oil temp
Date: Aug 02, 2007
From: pilotdds(at)aol.com
I had similar problems that disapeared with the oil cooler made by the air-conditioning folks and marketed by Alex De dominicis.10 degree reduction and much quicker cooling after climb.Temps have been well over 100 in our valley. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 2:52 am Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp ? Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be expected.? ? I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat.? ? I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my performance.? ? Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year?? ? I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff.? ? Thanks,? Rob Kermanj? ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 02, 2007
From: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: TT Pitch Servo Install Directions
... are really lame (TruTrak, are you listening?). This is all I got in the box (same as from their website): http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/RV10pitch.pdf There are no dimensions called out for drilling the bellcrank hole. The bracket photo leaves a lot to the imagination. Worse yet, the -10 plans show a different bracket in a different location. Would some kind sole please take pity and help out a rookie pitch servo installer with additional information? Thanks in advance, Jay Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: TT Pitch Servo Install Directions
From: "LarryRosen" <LarryRosen(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 02, 2007
Yes there instructions leave a lot to be desired, call them they are very helpful. Tim has some photos on his site The attaching bracket attaches to the bell crank/battery tray assembly using the existing hardware. You need to remove the phenolic pully. Remove the center screw. On final assembly reinstall with locktight. Servo attaches with the four bolts. Safety wire the bolts after final assembly. The hole in the bellcrank is on the centerline, 2" up and 0.5" aft. This is from memory. PLEASE confirm with TruTrak. The longer bolt goes through the large washer, the rod end bearing, spacer, bell crank, normal washer and finally the lock nut. This is at least how I did it. If you do confirm with TruTrak, let me know if I made any errors. Larry Rosen -------- Larry Rosen #40356 N205EN (reserved) <http> Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127175#127175 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 02, 2007
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Re: TT Pitch Servo Install Directions
Jay: If you get a response, please post as I looked at those same pics just the other night and wondered if the dimension/location of the hole was that critical. It looks like one just levels the arm and puts the hole about in the middle. As an aside, I realize that we are scattered over the whole country, but I fell into 5 gallons of Shewin Williams Wash primer. P60-G2. I went to order another gallon for the primer ( I hate writing that word on the post, but I had to) and the guy at the SW store said that he had a 5 gallon bucket that he probably could not or would not be able to sell. I will likely only need about 1-2 quarts to finish. He "sold" me the bucket for 5 bucks. The ticket said $335. If anyone in the area needs some primer, please call. I'd hate for it to go to waste. I'm located in Paris, Texas which is mid way between Dallas and Texarkana. It was fun to meet some new faces at Osh this year. I wish I could have made it over to the campsite. Will try next year. Fred Williams 40515. 515FW reserved Jay Brinkmeyer wrote: > > ... are really lame (TruTrak, are you listening?). This is all I got in the box > (same as from their website): > http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/documents/RV10pitch.pdf > > There are no dimensions called out for drilling the bellcrank hole. The bracket > photo leaves a lot to the imagination. Worse yet, the -10 plans show a > different bracket in a different location. > > Would some kind sole please take pity and help out a rookie pitch servo > installer with additional information? > > Thanks in advance, > Jay > > > > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 02, 2007
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: high oil temp
I see the same thing. I did everything Tim and Vic did to their baffles an d Tim and I actually did a side by side oil temp / CHT comparison at Oshkos h after running at full power for a minute or so and we were almost exactly the same. I find that oil temp is the limiting factor in climb out. When I climb out now, it is very rare for me to see 400 F on my #2 cylinder bef ore my oil temps start to approach 220. Like others have said, the cheape st and probably best initial solution would be the addition of louvers on t he bottom of the cowl. =0A =0AMake sure you read this section on Tim's si te and really seal the baffle up nicely. =0Ahttp://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/ma intenance/20061022/index.html=0A =0AScott Schmidt=0Ascottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "pilotdds(at)aol.com" <pilotd ds(at)aol.com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, August 2, 2007 7:58:32 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: high oil temp=0A=0AI had similar probl ems that disapeared with the oil cooler made by the air-conditioning folks and marketed by Alex De dominicis.10 degree reduction and much quicker cool ing after climb.Temps have been well over 100 in our valley.=0A=0A-----Orig inal Message-----=0AFrom: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@ matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 2:52 am=0ASubject: RV10-List: high oi .com> =0A =0AHello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across southern pa rt of the country so I am not sure if this is to be expected. =0A =0AI am s eeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and climb only a t 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat. =0A =0AI used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my performance. =0A =0ADoe s anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year? =0A =0AI have n o modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff. =0A =0AThanks, =0ARob ======================== _ ====== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Aug 02, 2007
Subject: high oil temp
The NDM/Kintex (aka Niagara) cooler that Van's sells is a knock off of a SW cooler and isn't the most efficient, or so I've been told. The SW cooler has a patented fin design with higher density and better heat transfer. Unfortunately you are correct that the SW cooler is about $550 plus a core charge. If I still lived in Texas or elsewhere in the scorching hot regions, I would give real consideration to leaving the Van's cooler off the kit order and get a Stewart Warner from someone like Pacific Oil Coolers. Michael Sausen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK] Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: high oil temp I see the same thing on very hot days. I can usually climb out at 800 ft/min until the oil get to 225, then I back off to 500 ft/min. Once I'm at attitude (around 8500 - 12500) the temps are around 190 using 70 - 75% power. Your right that it really limits your performance because of the oil temp while the cylinder temps are fine. I have the stock Van's cowl and oil cooler and I have seal up by baffling very well and RTV'ed everywhere. My next thoughts are to possibly install another louver just under where the oil cooler is to provide more exit air for it. The other option is to swap the oil cooler out, but that a $500 cost. Thank You Ray Doerr 40250 N519RV -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:53 AM Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be expected. I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat. I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my performance. Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year? I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff. Thanks, Rob Kermanj ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: high oil temp
Date: Aug 02, 2007
Cruise at 185 F at 12,500. Thanks. On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:19 AM, Tom Deutsch wrote: > > > What were your temps for crusie and at what altitude? > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> > To: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com" > Sent: 8/2/2007 9:17 AM > Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp > > > Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a > serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across > southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be > expected. > > I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose and > climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. This is > even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked with heat. > > I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting my > performance. > > Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year? > > I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff. > > Thanks, > Rob Kermanj > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: high oil temp
Date: Aug 02, 2007
Does this oil cooler fit or did you have to modify things? Thanks, Rob. On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:58 AM, pilotdds(at)aol.com wrote: > I had similar problems that disapeared with the oil cooler made by > the air-conditioning folks and marketed by Alex De dominicis.10 > degree reduction and much quicker cooling after climb.Temps have > been well over 100 in our valley. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 2:52 am > Subject: RV10-List: high oil temp > > > Hello everyone. I just flew from Florida to California and had a > serious oil temp issue. The temperatures are very hot across > southern part of the country so I am not sure if this is to be > expected. > > I am seeing 220 climbing through 5000 and need to lower the nose > and climb only at 300 fpm to keep the temp from climbing higher. > This is even worse after a fuel stop when the engine gets soaked > with heat. > > I used to have to watch my CHT but now it is the oil temp limiting > my performance. > > Does anyone else have similar issues at this time of the year? > > I have no modifications to the cowl and have Vans FWF stuff. > > Thanks, > Rob Kermanj > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: high oil temp
Date: Aug 02, 2007
It is comforting to know that you have a similar situation. I was starting to think that perhaps our neighborhood birds were taking residence inside the scat tube, on top of my oil cooler. What would I swop my oil cooler with? Thanks, Rob. On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote: > > > I see the same thing on very hot days. I can usually climb out at > 800 ft/min until the oil get to 225, then I back off to 500 ft/ > min. Once I'm at attitude (around 8500 - 12500) the temps are > around 190 using 70 - 75% power. Your right that it really limits > your performance because of the oil temp while the cylinder temps > are fine. I have the stock Van's cowl and oil cooler and I have > seal up by baffling very well and RTV'ed everywhere. My next > thoughts are to possibly install another louver just under where > the oil cooler is to provide more exit air for it. The other

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