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>>> I have finally attached the Tailcone Forward Top Skin (F-1074) and >>> now I need to fill in the gap between the cabin top the aluminum >>> skin. This is the method I was going to use to fill in the gap. I >>> am also going to use the same method to fill the side of the cabin >>> top the the fuselage skin. I am looking for comments. >>> >>> First I will scuff the fiberglass and aluminum with 80 grit sandpaper. >>> Thoroughly clean the surfaces with acetone. >>> Apply a blend of west epoxy, cabosil and flox to fill in the low >>> spots. I will keep this fill about 1/8" low >>> Allow the epoxy mix to set up, but while still tacky then apply 2 >>> strips of fiberglass cloth cut on a 45. >>> Allow to cure over night. >>> Apply superfil to fair and fill any low spots >>> Sand and refill until smooth and fair. >>> >>> Larry Rosen >>> #356 >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Insurance revisited
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Apr 16, 2009
What liability limits? -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=239664#239664 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Door Closed switches
Date: Apr 17, 2009
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>
For those that may have missed this thread on alternative treatments to the door issue. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=26526&highlight=R V-10+door Cheers, Ron -187 waiting on airworthiness certificate. ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley Sent: Thursday, 16 April 2009 1:05 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches Jesse, enough said. I am installing some straps, too. Thank you! Roger "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris and Susie" <vhicy(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Door Closed switches
Date: Apr 17, 2009
Ron I dont have time to read all of it but I believe Simon Pike has been doing domething with this design which is easier and can retrofit regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: McGANN, Ron To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Closed switches For those that may have missed this thread on alternative treatments to the door issue. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=26526&highlight= RV-10+door Cheers, Ron -187 waiting on airworthiness certificate. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley Sent: Thursday, 16 April 2009 1:05 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Closed switches Jesse, enough said. I am installing some straps, too. Thank you! Roger "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2009
Subject: What happened to nerv10.com?
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
It was redirecting to another site for a while, and now nothing. -Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2009
Subject: Re: What happened to nerv10.com?
From: William Curtis <wwc4(at)njit.edu>
Should be back on the air in the next few days. I'm having a time trying to get my domain from a webhosting company that decided to change their monthly fees from $7 per month to $19 per month. I'm transfering it over to a new hosting company but the old hosting company is dragging their feet. William On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > It was redirecting to another site for a while, and now nothing. > > -Rob > > * > * > > ---------------------- William Curtis ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: What happened to nerv10.com?
Date: Apr 17, 2009
Per William a couple days ago: I'm currently in the process of transsferring the domain. Did not think it would take this long. Still waiting for the transfer code from the old hosting company. Not sure why Front Page Web Hosting (old company) did it that way. Will be glad to be rid of them. William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: What happened to nerv10.com? It was redirecting to another site for a while, and now nothing. -Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2009
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: What happened to nerv10.com?
Glad to hear it, as you certainly had gathered a lot of valuable information on your site. Thanks for your efforts. William Curtis wrote: > Should be back on the air in the next few days. I'm having a time > trying to get my domain from a webhosting company that decided to > change their monthly fees from $7 per month to $19 per month. I'm > transfering it over to a new hosting company but the old hosting > company is dragging their feet. > > William > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rob Kochman > wrote: > > It was redirecting to another site for a while, and now nothing. > > -Rob > > * > > * > > > ---------------------- > William Curtis > * > > > * -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Inside surface finish of engine cowl
Date: Apr 17, 2009
Wondered what folks are doing as far as priming/painting/coating the inside of the engine cowlings, I have the pink ones. Thanks Chris #40072 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Inside surface finish of engine cowl
From: "egohr1" <EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu>
Date: Apr 18, 2009
For what it is worth. I painted the inside of the cowl with the same epoxy primer I am using for the outside of the plane. Dupont Colar expoy, seems to be tough as nails. eric -------- eric gohr EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=239881#239881 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Inside surface finish of engine cowl
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Apr 18, 2009
Good idea to paint it with epoxy primer. Also not a bad idea to put some of the adhesive aluminum sold by Vans to protect the composite from the heat of the aluminum. I just ordered some 6'x 30" runs about $40. This makes it a lot easier to clean and gives some protection from the heat and oil penetration. It will get oily inside. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - FWF end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=239895#239895 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Inside surface finish of engine cowl
Date: Apr 18, 2009
There is a fiberglass mat with a silicone back that can be RTVed in place. This was need to keep the heat from turning the Sherman Williams Spread and Spray epoxy primer from turning light tan in color. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Inside surface finish of engine cowl Good idea to paint it with epoxy primer. Also not a bad idea to put some of the adhesive aluminum sold by Vans to protect the composite from the heat of the aluminum. I just ordered some 6'x 30" runs about $40. This makes it a lot easier to clean and gives some protection from the heat and oil penetration. It will get oily inside. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - FWF end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=239895#239895 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
......... And I held on for the ride :-) What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
Date: Apr 19, 2009
Congrats buddy!!!!! ------Original Message------ From: Deems Davis Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Apr 18, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ .......... And I held on for the ride :-) What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/ Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2009
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Huge congratulations Deems. I'm sure it was worth the wait. Now..........we are expecting some performance numbers pronto. ;-)) On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > > ......... And I held on for the ride :-) > > > What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html > > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 18, 2009
Subject: QB status
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Don't know how many saw this on Van's Airforce: QuickBuild Kit Delivery Status (4/16) "...RV-10s from the new QB facility will be loaded into a container next week and headed back to Van's as soon as we get a ship booking." - deposit return offer (while staying in queue position) http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/open/QB_info.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pascal" <pascal(at)rv10builder.net>
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 18, 2009
Sweet Deems! So glad you stuck out out last year with the medical issue.. in the end you got the reward for perseverance! Congrats!! Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ > > ......... And I held on for the ride :-) > > > What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html > > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 18, 2009
Way to go Deems! Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ > > ......... And I held on for the ride :-) > > > What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html > > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 19, 2009
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>
Congratulations Deems. The smiles say it all!! cheers, Ron -187 waiting for CofA -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Deems Davis Sent: Sun 4/19/2009 10:59 AM Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ ......... And I held on for the ride :-) What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/ "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
From: "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 18, 2009
CONGRATULATIONS!! Greg... -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240022#240022 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 18, 2009
Deems Well done! Well done indeed! Cheers Les Kearney Sent from my iPhone On 18-Apr-09, at 7:29 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > > ......... And I held on for the ride :-) > > > What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html > > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 18, 2009
Hooray! On Apr 18, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > > ......... And I held on for the ride :-) > > > What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html > > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 19, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
Way to go Deems! This has been one I have been waiting to see. As dark as some of those days were this must have been something special. We look forward to you completing your fly off and hitting all those fly ins. Remember SBP is half a tank away. Sheril just left for Hawaii so will not get the news for a week but I am sure he will be thrilled. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ ......... And I held on for the ride :-) What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2009
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Congratulations from down-under mate.- Well done.=0A=0AWishing you clear, safe and smooth skies always Deems.=0A=0ARegards=0A=0APatrick Pulis=0ARV-1 0---- #40299-- VH-XPP=0AAdelaide, South Australia=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net >=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, 19 April, 2009 10:59:06 AM =0ASubject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ =0A......... And I held on for the ride :-)=0A=0A=0AWhat a ride !!!!!!!!!!! !!!=0A=0A=0Ahttp://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/ind ex.html=0A=0A=0ADeems Davis # 406=0A'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =========================0A =0A=0A Enjoy a better web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Expl orer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Neal George" <n8zg(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 19, 2009
You can't go flying yet ! There's bound to be another mod you need ... somewhere ;-). neal -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ ......... And I held on for the ride :-) What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 19, 2009
Congratulations!!!! You inspire me to go out in the garage and start pounding rivets faster.... bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ ......... And I held on for the ride :-) What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e(at)grandecom.net>
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 19, 2009
Congratulations Deems!!! Plane looks beautiful. The saying goes "let the fun begin" You've worked really hard to get to this point so enjoy it. Wayne Edgerton N602WT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 19, 2009
Congratulations. It was a long tough road, but you stuck it out and now have your reward. Happy flying and may the electronic gremlins stay away. Gary Specketer -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ ......... And I held on for the ride :-) What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 19, 2009
Congrats! Ralph RV6A N822AR @ N06 11hrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ > > ......... And I held on for the ride :-) > > > What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html > > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 19, 2009
How sweet it is!! That's the best "RV Grin" I have ever seen! Your airplane is one of the finest examples of true craftsmanship out there. A heartfelt Congratulations to you, Deems! Best regards, David Maib 40559 On Apr 18, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Deems Davis wrote: ......... And I held on for the ride :-) What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2009
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Since our first emails over a year and a half ago, we both thought we would -complete at about the same time, and low and behold, we did.- Have fun during the flyoff, and then the real fun will begin.....-this is what we all build for!!!!- Congrats, and hopefully I'll join the ranks soon.- Almost flew last Thursday.... Don N414DM --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Deems Davis wrote: From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 6:29 PM ......... And I held on for the ride :-) What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/ le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: 1st flight video N519PJ
I finally figured out (?) Youtube and posted a video of yesterdays 1st flight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f6bzUYZZgI Deems Davis # 406 'still grinning..........' http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 19, 2009
From: efdsteve(at)aol.com
Outstanding!!? Your building saga has been motivational and inspiring to say the least.? Thank you for sharing your journey with us through your web site and your postings on Matronics and Van's Air Force.? I've found you to be a wonderful resource?during my own slow-build project. Best wishes on your fly-off. Steve Weinstock 40230 Fuse, engine build Schaumburg, IL -----Original Message----- From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 8:29 pm Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ ? .......... And I held on for the ride :-)? ? What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!!? ? http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html? ? Deems Davis # 406? 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? http://deemsrv10.com/? ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2009
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 1st flight video N519PJ
Hey, I gotta tell you... there must be some kind of an omen here.... just a s I finished watching the video of your first flight, EAA's B-17 flew right over the house! Don McDonald --- On Sun, 4/19/09, Deems Davis wrote: From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> Subject: RV10-List: 1st flight video N519PJ Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 9:19 AM I finally figured out (?) Youtube and posted a video of yesterdays 1st flig ht. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f6bzUYZZgI Deems Davis # 406 'still grinning..........' http://deemsrv10.com/ le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Apr 19, 2009
Congrats Deems! -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240156#240156 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 1st flight video N519PJ
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 19, 2009
Congratulations Deems, You are an inspiration. I had my wife come in and watch the triumphant door opening scene. Your airplane looks bristol. I hope to bop over soon to take a look at it. One comment that I have debated making, and I mean this without any malice or disrespect, but your videographer should try decaf and/or not quit the day job. Hope to see you at least at Copperstate if not sooner. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240176#240176 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "richard sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 19, 2009
Congratulations Deems! Tailwinds Dick Sipp N110DV 130 Hours ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ > > ......... And I held on for the ride :-) > > > What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html > > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Byron Gillespie" <bgill1(at)charter.net>
Subject: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 19, 2009
Congrats Deems! We have all been watching for some time and share in the excitement with you. Byron N253RV Assigned - Still finishing.... -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ ......... And I held on for the ride :-) What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Apr 19, 2009
Way to go. Kuddos for tenacity. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - FWF end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240228#240228 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 19, 2009
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 1st flight video N519PJ
Great job Deems. Can't wait to see you at Oshkosh. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:19:40 AM Subject: RV10-List: 1st flight video N519PJ I finally figured out (?) Youtube and posted a video of yesterdays 1st flight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f6bzUYZZgI Deems Davis # 406 'still grinning..........' http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 20, 2009
Subject: Re: 1st flight video N519PJ
From: James K Hovis <james.k.hovis(at)gmail.com>
WOW! Gives me hope I might join in soon! On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 5:11 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > Congratulations Deems, > > You are an inspiration. I had my wife come in and watch the triumphant > door opening scene. > > Your airplane looks bristol. I hope to bop over soon to take a look at > it. > > One comment that I have debated making, and I mean this without any malice > or disrespect, but your videographer should try decaf and/or not quit the > day job. > > Hope to see you at least at Copperstate if not sooner. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240176#240176 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 20, 2009
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Congratulations Deems. You earned your time in the saddle. I can't wait to see it in person. Enjoy the fly off time. Hopefully, you can take it to Oshkosh. Dr Fred. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Apr 20, 2009
Congratulations. It looks like I am about 5 to 6 weeks behind you. The -10 line at Osh is going to look great this year. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Final Finishing - SB (N2GB registered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240309#240309 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Paint Adhesion - Smoothprime
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Apr 20, 2009
Has anyone had any problems with top coats or primer adhesion over smooth-prime on their composite parts? Especially with the PPG line on paints? -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - FWF end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240318#240318 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Paint Adhesion - Smoothprime
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Apr 20, 2009
Has anyone had any problems with top coats or primer adhesion over smooth-prime on their composite parts? Especially with the PPG line on paints? -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - FWF end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240319#240319 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Just a reminder
Date: Apr 20, 2009
Get that flight experience and keep current. On 4/18/2009 an experimental aircraft went fatal, probably during Phase I. Research of the records indicate a 3rd class medical of 2/2008. Private pilot entered into the FAA system 10/16/2008. His repairman certificate was issued 3/30/2009. His aircraft certificate was issued 3/19/2009. Fatal crash was 4/18/2009. It is unknown whether it was first flight or some part of Phase I. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Testement" <jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com>
Subject: 1st flight video N519PJ
Date: Apr 20, 2009
Deems, Congratulations! You finally made it and I bet you are really proud of your work and excited to be flying. John Testement N311RV 31 hours into fly-off -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: 1st flight video N519PJ I finally figured out (?) Youtube and posted a video of yesterdays 1st flight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f6bzUYZZgI Deems Davis # 406 'still grinning..........' http://deemsrv10.com/ Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 09:55:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Date: Apr 20, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Deems, you are the most deserving RV10 builder I know. Through all the mods, improvements, enhancements, redues and FAA certification hurdles you have shown the spunk, tenacity, courtesy, patience and builder skill set which is emblematic of a true EAAer. You constantly remind me why I became an EAA Tech Advisor and I/A. Not to take anything from those who wander nary one bolt or rivet from the original bone stock plans, you are my Inspiration! Everything is possible with a "Davis Attitude". Pierson Lawrence of British Columbia is the newest and now proud purchaser of kit #40949, Aye? Kit #950 sits on the dock down the street waiting for the Next Deems Davis to come along, (as if there could be another). My database now has 202 flying RV-10s worldwide Australia, Brazil, Canada, New Zealand, Poland, Russia, S Africa, and yes a couple from the USofA. And I have 127 color images of painted and flying RV-10s - WOW what a variety and development lineage to celebrate. Yes, Randy all white flying airframes awaiting color vinyl appliqu=E9 counts as painted but boy does color add Panache. As I load up my cooler to depart from the Left Coast for Sun N'Fun, I can't help but reflect on just one year ago when we all lost Hamilton Cartwright after his ill-fated attempt to get to SNF '08 through bad weather ENROUTE,. Deems... may every flight be a safe adventure and provide you it's just reward. To the rest of you, fly safe. Tomorrow holds the promise of many more RV-10s (1,000+) and a breathtaking flight line at OSH '09 and into the future. Deems, your DAR is to be thanked for providing a great Phase One OPS Area. Don't make any mistake with other passengers aboard. Arlington awaits in early July with a Plaque having your name on it. What an inspiration !!!!!!!!! John #600 and still livin the dream -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............ ......... And I held on for the ride :-) What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Paint Adhesion - Smoothprime
Date: Apr 20, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Yes, when using a primer made by someone other than the topcoat manufacturer. Stay with the recommended chemistry. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: RV10-List: Paint Adhesion - Smoothprime Has anyone had any problems with top coats or primer adhesion over smooth-prime on their composite parts? Especially with the PPG line on paints? -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - FWF end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240318#240318 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 20, 2009
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: N519PJ Slipped the Surly Bonds of Earth............
Congratulations Deems!! and Thank You, Thank you for all your help via the site. Deems Davis wrote: > > ......... And I held on for the ride :-) > > > What a ride !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > http://deemsrv10.com/album/First%20Flight%20APR%2018%202009/index.html > > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Trio Autopilot install pictures needed
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Apr 20, 2009
Does anyone have install pictures of the pitch servo from Trio Avionics? Regards, Lenny #40803 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240358#240358 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thomas G Koelzer <thomas(at)koelzer.us>
Subject: #950
Date: Apr 20, 2009
#950 ought to be headed for Alexander Tech Center, Griffin GA, by now in preparation for an 18 May construction class I enrolled in. Tom Koelzer Crestview, FL On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:40 PM, John Cox wrote: > Deems, you are the most deserving RV10 builder I know. Through all > the mods, improvements, enhancements, redues and FAA certification > hurdles you have shown the spunk, tenacity, courtesy, patience and > builder skill set which is emblematic of a true EAAer. You > constantly remind me why I became an EAA Tech Advisor and I/A. Not > to take anything from those who wander nary one bolt or rivet from > the original bone stock plans, you are my Inspiration! Everything > is possible with a "Davis Attitude". > > Pierson Lawrence of British Columbia is the newest and now proud > purchaser of kit #40949, Aye? Kit #950 sits on the dock down the > street waiting for the Next Deems Davis to come along, (as if there > could be another). My database now has 202 flying RV-10s worldwide > Australia, Brazil, Canada, New Zealand, Poland, Russia, S Africa, > and yes a couple from the USofA. And I have 127 color images of > painted and flying RV-10s - WOW what a variety and development > lineage to celebrate. Yes, Randy all white flying airframes > awaiting color vinyl appliqu counts as painted but boy does color > add Panache. > > As I load up my cooler to depart from the Left Coast for Sun N'Fun, > I can't help but reflect on just one year ago when we all lost > Hamilton Cartwright after his ill-fated attempt to get to SNF '08 > through bad weather ENROUTE,. Deems... may every flight be a safe > adventure and provide you it's just reward. To the rest of you, fly > safe. Tomorrow holds the promise of many more RV-10s (1,000+) and a > breathtaking flight line at OSH '09 and into the future. > > Deems, your DAR is to be thanked for providing a great Phase One OPS > Area. Don't make any mistake with other passengers aboard. > Arlington awaits in early July with a Plaque having your name on it. > > What an inspiration !!!!!!!!! > > John > #600 and still livin the dream > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 20, 2009
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Andair Fuel Valve Bracket & Location
Could anyone please tell me if they have the tunnel ribs which feature the revised location and orientation for the fuel valve bracket (Ref. Section 2 7, Rev 1.0 drawings).=0A=0AIf you do, could you please measure the distance from the bottom of the rib to the centre of the mounting holes.=0A=0AVans tell me that this revision negates the need to squash the scat tubing in th e tunnel.=0A=0AFor those of you that have installed the Andair fuel valve, could you please indicate what mounting bracket you used (I'm guessing that you made your own), as the Vans supplied bracket does not fit the Andair v alve, as the bolt holes and central hole do not line up?=0A=0AMany thanks i n-anticipation for your responses.=0A=0ARegards=0A=0A=0APatrick Pulis=0AR V-10 #40299-- VH-XPP=0AAdelaide, South Australia=0A=0A=0A=0A Yahoo !7 recommends that you update your browser to the new Internet Explorer 8.G et it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: #950
Date: - - - , 20-
Very well said and fun to read Thomas. Congrats Deems, I feel like I know you from your website. Inspirational Sean #40936 Fuel tanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas G Koelzer" <thomas(at)koelzer.us> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: RV10-List: #950 > > #950 ought to be headed for Alexander Tech Center, Griffin GA, by now in > preparation for an 18 May construction class I enrolled in. > > Tom Koelzer > Crestview, FL > > On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:40 PM, John Cox wrote: > >> Deems, you are the most deserving RV10 builder I know. Through all the >> mods, improvements, enhancements, redues and FAA certification hurdles >> you have shown the spunk, tenacity, courtesy, patience and builder skill >> set which is emblematic of a true EAAer. You constantly remind me why I >> became an EAA Tech Advisor and I/A. Not to take anything from those who >> wander nary one bolt or rivet from the original bone stock plans, you >> are my Inspiration! Everything is possible with a "Davis Attitude". >> >> Pierson Lawrence of British Columbia is the newest and now proud >> purchaser of kit #40949, Aye? Kit #950 sits on the dock down the street >> waiting for the Next Deems Davis to come along, (as if there could be >> another). My database now has 202 flying RV-10s worldwide Australia, >> Brazil, Canada, New Zealand, Poland, Russia, S Africa, and yes a couple >> from the USofA. And I have 127 color images of painted and flying >> RV-10s - WOW what a variety and development lineage to celebrate. Yes, >> Randy all white flying airframes awaiting color vinyl appliqu counts as >> painted but boy does color add Panache. >> >> As I load up my cooler to depart from the Left Coast for Sun N'Fun, I >> can't help but reflect on just one year ago when we all lost Hamilton >> Cartwright after his ill-fated attempt to get to SNF '08 through bad >> weather ENROUTE,. Deems... may every flight be a safe adventure and >> provide you it's just reward. To the rest of you, fly safe. Tomorrow >> holds the promise of many more RV-10s (1,000+) and a breathtaking flight >> line at OSH '09 and into the future. >> >> Deems, your DAR is to be thanked for providing a great Phase One OPS >> Area. Don't make any mistake with other passengers aboard. Arlington >> awaits in early July with a Plaque having your name on it. >> >> What an inspiration !!!!!!!!! >> >> John >> #600 and still livin the dream >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: #950
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Apr 20, 2009
Its not too late to avoid the pain. Imagine free weekends You can still turn back......save the other $135,000 There are rehabilitation centers/ therapy/ detox / counseling services -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - FWF end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240416#240416 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>
Subject: Re: #950
Date: Apr 21, 2009
Congrats on #950. As for the therapy--when I return home from work and get to go to my garage and work on my plane--that's all the therapy I need. It may or may not ever fly in my time (atleast at the rate I'm going) but atleast there's the hope and dreams of one day actually putting air under all these parts I've been working on for the last few years and actually getting to call it a "plane". I realize that Mike was just fooling but in all seriousness there's times I think I should just sell the -10 and buy something that I can fly NOW. However, after a few minutes working on the project I remember how much fun that just getting to work on this project is. That's enough to put all those thoughts way behind me and make me wonder why I'd ever think about selling my baby. You won't regret it. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: #950 > > Its not too late to avoid the pain. Imagine free weekends > > You can still turn back......save the other $135,000 > > There are rehabilitation centers/ therapy/ detox / counseling services > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 > Q/B Kit - FWF end game > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240416#240416 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 20:04:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: #950
From: John Cox <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Date: Apr 20, 2009
Tom congrats on the decision. May you indeed be the next Davis. We need w eb stimulation. 50 more to go. Hope to meet you at SNF - 11:00AM any morning at the Vans Tent.. John Cox #600 From: Thomas G Koelzer Sent: Mon 4/20/2009 3:47 PM Subject: RV10-List: #950 #950 ought to be headed for Alexander Tech Center, Griffin GA, by now in preparation for an 18 May construction class I enrolled in. Tom Koelzer Crestview, FL On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:40 PM, John Cox wrote: > Deems, you are the most deserving RV10 builder I know. Through all > the mods, improvements, enhancements, redues and FAA certification > hurdles you have shown the spunk, tenacity, courtesy, patience and > builder skill set which is emblematic of a true EAAer. You > constantly remind me why I became an EAA Tech Advisor and I/A. Not > to take anything from those who wander nary one bolt or rivet from > the original bone stock plans, you are my Inspiration! Everything > is possible with a "Davis Attitude". > > Pierson Lawrence of British Columbia is the newest and now proud > purchaser of kit #40949, Aye? Kit #950 sits on the dock down the > street waiting for the Next Deems Davis to come along, (as if there > could be another). My database now has 202 flying RV-10s worldwide > Australia, Brazil, Canada, New Zealand, Poland, Russia, S Africa, > and yes a couple from the USofA. And I have 127 color images of > painted and flying RV-10s - WOW what a variety and development > lineage to celebrate. Yes, Randy all white flying airframes > awaiting color vinyl appliqu=E9 counts as painted but boy does color > add Panache. > > As I load up my cooler to depart from the Left Coast for Sun N'Fun, > I can't help but reflect on just one year ago when we all lost > Hamilton Cartwright after his ill-fated attempt to get to SNF '08 > through bad weather ENROUTE,. Deems... may every flight be a safe > adventure and provide you it's just reward. To the rest of you, fly > safe. Tomorrow holds the promise of many more RV-10s (1,000+) and a > breathtaking flight line at OSH '09 and into the future. > > Deems, your DAR is to be thanked for providing a great Phase One OPS > Area. Don't make any mistake with other passengers aboard. > Arlington awaits in early July with a Plaque having your name on it. > > What an inspiration !!!!!!!!! > > John > #600 and still livin the dream > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another 10 launch
Date: Apr 21, 2009
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>
G'day all, Hot on Deems' tail, VH-XRM punched holes in the wild blue yonder at 1530 Ad elaide time 21 April under the expert airmanship of Jon Johanson. A full t hrottle under power condition (2580 rpm)was treated with some minor tweaks of the governor and she has a slightly heavy right wing. Other than that, and some inappropriate alarm configurations on the EIS, everything went ext remely well. Jon was amazed at the full flap stall speed of 45kts indicate d and even given his experience, I reckon the grin on his face was bigger t han mine! 1660lbs with paint and in flying configuration. Oh what a feeling!! cheers, Ron VH-XRM FLYYYYINGGGG "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 21, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Another 10 launch
Way to Go Ron!!!!!! I'm envious of your weight, and with paint to boot!!!!!! Deems heading for airport and 2nd flight McGANN, Ron wrote: > > G'day all, > > Hot on Deems' tail, VH-XRM punched holes in the wild blue yonder at > 1530 Adelaide time 21 April under the expert airmanship of Jon > Johanson. A full throttle under power condition (2580 rpm)was treated > with some minor tweaks of the governor and she has a slightly heavy > right wing. Other than that, and some inappropriate alarm > configurations on the EIS, everything went extremely well. Jon was > amazed at the full flap stall speed of 45kts indicated and even given > his experience, I reckon the grin on his face was bigger than mine! > > 1660lbs with paint and in flying configuration. Oh what a feeling!! > > cheers, > Ron > VH-XRM FLYYYYINGGGG > > "Warning: > The information contained in this email and any attached files is > confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended > recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any > attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email > in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been > taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, > however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the > sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus > checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to > your computer." > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another 10 launch
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Apr 21, 2009
Congratulations Ron! I am now at the state you have been when I visited you with my wife and Pat in Australia. I wish you a great time and many happy landings! Kind regards from Switzerland Michael -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240453#240453 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve Bracket & Location
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Apr 21, 2009
Hi Pat, I actually build one my own just bending two flanges on apiece of sheet metal. I installed it way down near the bottom skin in the tunnel and used the Andair extension since I plan to have the fuel selector be integrated in a future center console. Here are some pictures but it doesn't show the final stage. I'll try to get them done tomorrow and will post them here. http://wellenzohn.net/Fuelsystem_web/index.html by the way check out my new website (test phase) http://wellenzohn.net/HBYNN/index.html Cheers Michael -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240456#240456 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 21, 2009
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Another 10 launch
When I saw the subject "another launch", I just thought it was Deems again. ... wow, we're putting these things in the air rather regularly.- Congrat s.- When are you getting in her? Mine can go any day now.- Actually, if I wanted someone else to do the fi rst flight, I guess it would have been in the air weeks ago. Congrats again, and many wonderful flights will make it all worthwhile Don McDonald #40636 --- On Tue, 4/21/09, McGANN, Ron wrote: From: McGANN, Ron <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com> Subject: RV10-List: Another 10 launch Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 4:50 AM G'day all, Hot on Deems' tail, VH-XRM punched holes in the wild blue yonder at 1530 Ad elaide time 21 April under the expert airmanship of Jon Johanson.- A full throttle under power condition (2580 rpm)was treated with some minor tweak s of the governor and she has a slightly heavy right wing.- Other than th at, and some inappropriate alarm configurations on the EIS, everything went extremely well.- Jon was amazed at the full flap stall speed of 45kts in dicated and even given his experience, I reckon the grin on his face was bi gger than mine! 1660lbs with paint and in flying configuration.- Oh what a feeling!! cheers, Ron VH-XRM FLYYYYINGGGG "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another 10 launch
Date: Apr 21, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
Ron, That is fantastic! And to have a celebrity perform the maiden flight to boot. I bet you are glad there were a few EFIS alarms or Jon may have just carried on around the world one more time. It's getting exciting hearing about all these new first flights. I am really happy for those who are at the end of their build and seeing their dreams turn into a flying reality. I am also thrilled for those like Tom with kit #950 and the beginning of his odyssey. (but I am also glad I am not there anymore). Please send photos and updates on your Phase 1 equivalent when you can and BAVO on a less portly flying -10. Robin Flying but still in paint...Grrrrr From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:18 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Another 10 launch When I saw the subject "another launch", I just thought it was Deems again.... wow, we're putting these things in the air rather regularly. Congrats. When are you getting in her? Mine can go any day now. Actually, if I wanted someone else to do the first flight, I guess it would have been in the air weeks ago. Congrats again, and many wonderful flights will make it all worthwhile Don McDonald #40636 --- On Tue, 4/21/09, McGANN, Ron wrote: From: McGANN, Ron <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com> Subject: RV10-List: Another 10 launch To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 4:50 AM G'day all, Hot on Deems' tail, VH-XRM punched holes in the wild blue yonder at 1530 Adelaide time 21 April under the expert airmanship of Jon Johanson. A full throttle under power condition (2580 rpm)was treated with some minor tweaks of the governor and she has a slightly heavy right wing. Other than that, and some inappropriate alarm configurations on the EIS, everything went extremely well. Jon was amazed at the full flap stall speed of 45kts indicated and even given his experience, I reckon the grin on his face was bigger than mine! 1660lbs with paint and in flying configuration. Oh what a feeling!! cheers, Ron VH-XRM FLYYYYINGGGG "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: #950
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Apr 21, 2009
Welcome to the group. Alexander is a GREAT way to start. I went the same route when I started. If he is still there Jacob is a wealth of knowledge and extremely good at what he does, but then again so were all of the folks there that helped. You will be tired at the end of the day but will be so excited at the immediate progress you see you will have the first installation of the 'RV grin'. What you learn there will help you the entire project. You have taken the leap and started the project, enjoy the ride. Eric Kallio #518 Canopy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240496#240496 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve Bracket & Location
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Apr 21, 2009
I received a "hybrid" QB fuselage: old style fuel valve, mounting bracket (already installed), plumbing. New style tunnel cover (with cloverleaf hole), valve extension, handle, instructions (imagine the confusion!). Vans said they'd support whichever configuration I wanted, so I had them send me the new style mounting bracket and valve. So I had no pre-punched holes to go with, but I put the new holes 3.5" down from the top of the center ribs. Hope this helps. BTW, with the long arm extension, getting the angle, and fore-aft correct was more important than the depth (you can always shim the depth with washers) since I already had the cloverleaf hole in the tunnel cover. Also, it took a few back and forth emails with Vans to convince them that they had sent the wrong spring for the handle. After they realized there was a problem, they sent a letter to recent buyers. Everyone involved should have received the new spring by now. If you're going the Andair route, this doesn't affect you, of course. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240538#240538 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Saylor" <Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com>
Subject: Composites for RV-10s
Date: Apr 21, 2009
Just a reminder, AirCrafters still has room in our May 9th and 10th workshop, Composites for RV-10s. The class is filling up and it is a go, so if you are considering attending, please give us a call. Here's a complete description: http://www.aircraftersllc.com/seminars.htm Hope to see you there! Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve Bracket & Location
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 21, 2009
That bracket threw me for a loop. Some drawings show it flanges up and some show it flanges down. I ended up making an adapter plate to go on top of the bracket and mounted the Andair valve to that using the extension. It may not have been the easiest way, but it all fits nice and I have no scat clearance problem. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240573#240573 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another 10 launch
Date: Apr 22, 2009
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>
Thanks for the best wishes guys, I really appreciate it! But, there is a little pain involved - my face muscles are just not used to the constant grin. Cheers Ron ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Wednesday, 22 April 2009 1:31 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Another 10 launch Ron, That is fantastic! And to have a celebrity perform the maiden flight to boot. I bet you are glad there were a few EFIS alarms or Jon may have just carried on around the world one more time. It's getting exciting hearing about all these new first flights. I am really happy for those who are at the end of their build and seeing their dreams turn into a flying reality. I am also thrilled for those like Tom with kit #950 and the beginning of his odyssey. (but I am also glad I am not there anymore). Please send photos and updates on your Phase 1 equivalent when you can and BAVO on a less portly flying -10. Robin Flying but still in paint...Grrrrr From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:18 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Another 10 launch When I saw the subject "another launch", I just thought it was Deems again.... wow, we're putting these things in the air rather regularly. Congrats. When are you getting in her? Mine can go any day now. Actually, if I wanted someone else to do the first flight, I guess it would have been in the air weeks ago. Congrats again, and many wonderful flights will make it all worthwhile Don McDonald #40636 --- On Tue, 4/21/09, McGANN, Ron wrote: From: McGANN, Ron <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com> Subject: RV10-List: Another 10 launch To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 4:50 AM G'day all, Hot on Deems' tail, VH-XRM punched holes in the wild blue yonder at 1530 Adelaide time 21 April under the expert airmanship of Jon Johanson. A full throttle under power condition (2580 rpm)was treated with some minor tweaks of the governor and she has a slightly heavy right wing. Other than that, and some inappropriate alarm configurations on the EIS, everything went extremely well. Jon was amazed at the full flap stall speed of 45kts indicated and even given his experience, I reckon the grin on his face was bigger than mine! 1660lbs with paint and in flying configuration. Oh what a feeling!! cheers, Ron VH-XRM FLYYYYINGGGG "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 21, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Another 10 launch
I feel your pain!!!!! :-D Deems McGANN, Ron wrote: > > Thanks for the best wishes guys, I really appreciate it! > > But, there is a little pain involved my face muscles are just not > used to the constant grin. > > Cheers > > Ron > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks > *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 April 2009 1:31 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Another 10 launch > > Ron, > > That is fantastic! And to have a celebrity perform the maiden flight > to boot. I bet you are glad there were a few EFIS alarms or Jon may > have just carried on around the world one more time. Its getting > exciting hearing about all these new first flights. I am really happy > for those who are at the end of their build and seeing their dreams > turn into a flying reality. I am also thrilled for those like Tom with > kit #950 and the beginning of his odyssey. (but I am also glad I am > not there anymore). Please send photos and updates on your Phase 1 > equivalent when you can and BAVO on a less portly flying -10. > > Robin > > Flying but still in paintGrrrrr > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Don McDonald > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:18 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Another 10 launch > > When I saw the subject "another launch", I just thought it was Deems > again.... wow, we're putting these things in the air rather regularly. > Congrats. When are you getting in her? > > Mine can go any day now. Actually, if I wanted someone else to do the > first flight, I guess it would have been in the air weeks ago. > > Congrats again, and many wonderful flights will make it all worthwhile > > Don McDonald > > #40636 > > --- On *Tue, 4/21/09, McGANN, Ron //* wrote: > > > From: McGANN, Ron <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com> > Subject: RV10-List: Another 10 launch > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 4:50 AM > > G'day all, > > Hot on Deems' tail, VH-XRM punched holes in the wild blue yonder > at 1530 Adelaide time 21 April under the expert airmanship of Jon > Johanson. A full throttle under power condition (2580 rpm)was > treated with some minor tweaks of the governor and she has a > slightly heavy right wing. Other than that, and some inappropriate > alarm configurations on the EIS, everything went extremely well. > Jon was amazed at the full flap stall speed of 45kts indicated and > even given his experience, I reckon the grin on his face was > bigger than mine! > > 1660lbs with paint and in flying configuration. Oh what a feeling!! > > cheers, > Ron > VH-XRM FLYYYYINGGGG > > "Warning: > > The information contained in this email and any attached files is > > confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended > > recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any > > attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email > > in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been > > taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, > > however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the > > sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus > > checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to > > your computer." > > > > * * > > * * > > *=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > *et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com* > > *llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > * * > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > * * > *http://forums.matronics.com* > * * > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > * * > * * > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > ** > * * > "Warning: > The information contained in this email and any attached files is > confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended > recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any > attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email > in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been > taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, > however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the > sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus > checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to > your computer." > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another 10 launch
From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
Date: Apr 22, 2009
I have my pain pills ready....could fly now...but color adds so much.... Rick S. 40185 Prime time Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:36:09 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Another 10 launch I feel your pain!!!!! :-D Deems McGANN, Ron wrote: > > Thanks for the best wishes guys, I really appreciate it! > > But, there is a little pain involved my face muscles are just not > used to the constant grin. > > Cheers > > Ron > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks > *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 April 2009 1:31 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Another 10 launch > > Ron, > > That is fantastic! And to have a celebrity perform the maiden flight > to boot. I bet you are glad there were a few EFIS alarms or Jon may > have just carried on around the world one more time. Its getting > exciting hearing about all these new first flights. I am really happy > for those who are at the end of their build and seeing their dreams > turn into a flying reality. I am also thrilled for those like Tom with > kit #950 and the beginning of his odyssey. (but I am also glad I am > not there anymore). Please send photos and updates on your Phase 1 > equivalent when you can and BAVO on a less portly flying -10. > > Robin > > Flying but still in paintGrrrrr > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Don McDonald > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:18 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Another 10 launch > > When I saw the subject "another launch", I just thought it was Deems > again.... wow, we're putting these things in the air rather regularly. > Congrats. When are you getting in her? > > Mine can go any day now. Actually, if I wanted someone else to do the > first flight, I guess it would have been in the air weeks ago. > > Congrats again, and many wonderful flights will make it all worthwhile > > Don McDonald > > #40636 > > --- On *Tue, 4/21/09, McGANN, Ron //* wrote: > > > From: McGANN, Ron <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com> > Subject: RV10-List: Another 10 launch > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 4:50 AM > > G'day all, > > Hot on Deems' tail, VH-XRM punched holes in the wild blue yonder > at 1530 Adelaide time 21 April under the expert airmanship of Jon > Johanson. A full throttle under power condition (2580 rpm)was > treated with some minor tweaks of the governor and she has a > slightly heavy right wing. Other than that, and some inappropriate > alarm configurations on the EIS, everything went extremely well. > Jon was amazed at the full flap stall speed of 45kts indicated and > even given his experience, I reckon the grin on his face was > bigger than mine! > > 1660lbs with paint and in flying configuration. Oh what a feeling!! > > cheers, > Ron > VH-XRM FLYYYYINGGGG > > "Warning: > > The information contained in this email and any attached files is > > confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended > > recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any > > attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email > > in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been > > taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, > > however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the > > sender's responsibility. 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Date: Apr 21, 2009
Subject: Re: Another 10 launch
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
I'm sure that as soon as you begin the real finishing, mounting wheel pants, fairings and tweaking anything found in the phase 1, those grin aches will be balanced by frowns figgering out what needs fixing, upgrading, reworking, rerigging, etc. Aren't we builders supposed to be rehearsing the RV grin daily?? On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > > I feel your pain!!!!! :-D > > Deems > > McGANN, Ron wrote: >> >> Thanks for the best wishes guys, I really appreciate it! >> >> But, there is a little pain involved my face muscles are just not used >> to the constant grin. >> >> Cheers >> >> Ron >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 April 2009 1:31 AM >> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Another 10 launch >> >> Ron, >> >> That is fantastic! And to have a celebrity perform the maiden flight to >> boot. I bet you are glad there were a few EFIS alarms or Jon may have just >> carried on around the world one more time. Its getting exciting hearing >> about all these new first flights. I am really happy for those who are at >> the end of their build and seeing their dreams turn into a flying reality. I >> am also thrilled for those like Tom with kit #950 and the beginning of his >> odyssey. (but I am also glad I am not there anymore). Please send photos and >> updates on your Phase 1 equivalent when you can and BAVO on a less portly >> flying -10. >> >> Robin >> >> Flying but still in paintGrrrrr >> >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Don McDonald >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:18 AM >> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Another 10 launch >> >> When I saw the subject "another launch", I just thought it was Deems >> again.... wow, we're putting these things in the air rather regularly. >> Congrats. When are you getting in her? >> >> Mine can go any day now. Actually, if I wanted someone else to do the >> first flight, I guess it would have been in the air weeks ago. >> >> Congrats again, and many wonderful flights will make it all worthwhile >> >> Don McDonald >> >> #40636 >> >> --- On *Tue, 4/21/09, McGANN, Ron //* wrote: >> >> >> From: McGANN, Ron <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com> >> Subject: RV10-List: Another 10 launch >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 4:50 AM >> >> G'day all, >> >> Hot on Deems' tail, VH-XRM punched holes in the wild blue yonder >> at 1530 Adelaide time 21 April under the expert airmanship of Jon >> Johanson. A full throttle under power condition (2580 rpm)was >> treated with some minor tweaks of the governor and she has a >> slightly heavy right wing. Other than that, and some inappropriate >> alarm configurations on the EIS, everything went extremely well. >> Jon was amazed at the full flap stall speed of 45kts indicated and >> even given his experience, I reckon the grin on his face was >> bigger than mine! >> >> 1660lbs with paint and in flying configuration. Oh what a feeling!! >> >> cheers, >> Ron >> VH-XRM FLYYYYINGGGG >> >> "Warning: >> >> The information contained in this email and any attached files is >> >> confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended >> >> recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any >> >> attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email >> >> in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been >> >> taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, >> >> however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the >> >> sender's responsibility. 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Date: Apr 21, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Transponder questions
Today, I was informed by tower that they were not receiving my transponder, (GTX 327). Once back on the ground, I dug out the installation manual, and found a diagnostic 'page' on the display that purports to display the encoder input altitude, It displays both the binary, as well as the decoded altitude, In this case it was displaying 1300 ft (baro adjust altitude at the field was 1400). To my uneducated mind this suggests that the encoder is providing some (perhaps erroneous). Alltitude info to the transponder. So. where should I look next? I originally had the 'pole' antenna installed, but changed it out for the Commant blade style, Is the antenna/coax/ connections the next logical place to look. Any suggestions gladly received? Deems Davis N519PJ Phase1 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 21, 2009
Subject: Re: Transponder questions
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Were they not seeing transponder reply, or just altitude? IMHO, you need a transponder certification anyway. Atlantic, nee Westwind used to have that capability, and relatively cheap for VFR cert. Since you are in Class B 30 mile arc, you need a fix pronto before the FSDO takes an interest. On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > > Today, I was informed by tower that they were not receiving my transponder, > (GTX 327). Once back on the ground, I dug out the installation manual, and > found a diagnostic 'page' on the display that purports to display the > encoder input altitude, It displays both the binary, as well as the decoded > altitude, In this case it was displaying 1300 ft (baro adjust altitude at > the field was 1400). To my uneducated mind this suggests that the encoder is > providing some (perhaps erroneous). Alltitude info to the transponder. So. > where should I look next? I originally had the 'pole' antenna installed, > but changed it out for the Commant blade style, Is the antenna/coax/ > connections the next logical place to look. > Any suggestions gladly received? > > Deems Davis > N519PJ Phase1 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Thomas G Koelzer <thomas(at)koelzer.us>
Subject: Re: #950
Date: Apr 21, 2009
Thanks to all, I'm posting progress at http://www.mykitlog.com/tkoelzer Tom Koelzer On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Eric_Kallio wrote: > > Welcome to the group. Alexander is a GREAT way to start. I went the > same route when I started. If he is still there Jacob is a wealth of > knowledge and extremely good at what he does, but then again so were > all of the folks there that helped. You will be tired at the end of > the day but will be so excited at the immediate progress you see you > will have the first installation of the 'RV grin'. What you learn > there will help you the entire project. You have taken the leap and > started the project, enjoy the ride. > > Eric Kallio > #518 Canopy ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 21, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Transponder questions
Kelly they aren't seeing anything, and I'm not seeing any 'pings/replies' on the unit in the panel. I agree, this needs to get fixed before going aloft again, don't want to wake up the bear. I do need the cert, but I need to have something certifiable, which at present I don't. I'm going to go down the antenna route, coax, pins, shield, connectors, ground, etc. and see if that leads to an improvement. Deems Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Were they not seeing transponder reply, or just altitude? IMHO, you > need a transponder certification anyway. Atlantic, nee Westwind used > to have that capability, and relatively cheap for VFR cert. Since you > are in Class B 30 mile arc, you need a fix pronto before the FSDO > takes an interest. > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > >> >> Today, I was informed by tower that they were not receiving my transponder, >> (GTX 327). Once back on the ground, I dug out the installation manual, and >> found a diagnostic 'page' on the display that purports to display the >> encoder input altitude, It displays both the binary, as well as the decoded >> altitude, In this case it was displaying 1300 ft (baro adjust altitude at >> the field was 1400). To my uneducated mind this suggests that the encoder is >> providing some (perhaps erroneous). Alltitude info to the transponder. So. >> where should I look next? I originally had the 'pole' antenna installed, >> but changed it out for the Commant blade style, Is the antenna/coax/ >> connections the next logical place to look. >> Any suggestions gladly received? >> >> Deems Davis >> N519PJ Phase1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 21, 2009
Subject: Re: Transponder questions
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
You are fortunate in that there is at least one, probably two ATC radars that should splash DVT if you are clear of the hangars, on the north ramp. PHX has a new one at Union Hills and Central Ave, and of course Luke's radar is pretty new and also close by. So if you power up from external power, you should be able to test ping on the ground. With the unit getting power, lighting up, either your antenna isn't feeding a signal in, to trigger a reply, or the transponder output is no good. Avionics shop may be willing to see if it works on the bench, gratis. Infant mortality is not unheard of. On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > > Kelly they aren't seeing anything, and I'm not seeing any 'pings/replies' on > the unit in the panel. I agree, this needs to get fixed before going aloft > again, don't want to wake up the bear. I do need the cert, but I need to > have something certifiable, which at present I don't. I'm going to go down > the antenna route, coax, pins, shield, connectors, ground, etc. and see if > that leads to an improvement. > > Deems > > > Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> >> Were they not seeing transponder reply, or just altitude? IMHO, you >> need a transponder certification anyway. Atlantic, nee Westwind used >> to have that capability, and relatively cheap for VFR cert. Since you >> are in Class B 30 mile arc, you need a fix pronto before the FSDO >> takes an interest. >> >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Deems Davis wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Today, I was informed by tower that they were not receiving my >>> transponder, >>> (GTX 327). Once back on the ground, I dug out the installation manual, >>> and >>> found a diagnostic 'page' on the display that purports to display the >>> encoder input altitude, It displays both the binary, as well as the >>> decoded >>> altitude, In this case it was displaying 1300 ft (baro adjust altitude at >>> the field was 1400). To my uneducated mind this suggests that the encoder >>> is >>> providing some (perhaps erroneous). Alltitude info to the transponder. >>> So. >>> where should I look next? I originally had the 'pole' antenna installed, >>> but changed it out for the Commant blade style, Is the antenna/coax/ >>> connections the next logical place to look. >>> Any suggestions gladly received? >>> >>> Deems Davis >>> N519PJ Phase1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 22, 2009
From: b e <bcrnfnp(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Transponder questions
Since the antenna was changed out, some things come to mind.- 1) was the coax re-hooked back up to the new antenna?- 2) A way to troubleshoot woul d be to put the pole antenna back on and see if they see you, if they do th en it's the new antenna; if not then it's the xpdr or the wiring.-3) You could have messed up the antenna coax connector when you chnged the antenna out.- 4) Anyone near by that would be willing to let you put your xpdr i n their plane?- Would be a quick way to see if it is the xpdr or your wir ing.=0A=0AHope this helps=0A=0ABarry Chapman=0ARV9A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0AFrom: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: rv 10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:03:35 PM=0ASubject : Re: RV10-List: Transponder questions=0A=0A--> RV10-List message posted by : Kelly McMullen =0A=0AYou are fortunate in that there i s at least one, probably two ATC=0Aradars that should splash DVT if you are clear of the hangars, on the=0Anorth ramp. PHX has a new one at Union Hill s and Central Ave, and of=0Acourse Luke's radar is pretty new and also clos e by. So if you power=0Aup from external power, you should be able to test ping on the ground.=0AWith the unit getting power, lighting up, either your antenna isn't=0Afeeding a signal in, to trigger a reply, or the transponde r output is=0Ano good. Avionics shop may be willing to see if it works on t he bench,=0Agratis. Infant mortality is not unheard of.=0A=0AOn Tue, Apr 21 , 2009 at 8:30 PM, Deems Davis wrote:=0A> --> RV10-Lis t message posted by: Deems Davis =0A>=0A> Kelly they ar en't seeing anything, and I'm not seeing any 'pings/replies' on=0A> the uni t in the panel. I agree, this needs to get fixed before going aloft=0A> aga in, don't want to wake up the bear. I do need the cert, but I need to=0A> h ave something certifiable, which at present I don't. I'm going to go down =0A> the antenna route, coax, pins, shield, connectors, ground, etc. and se e if=0A> that leads to an improvement.=0A>=0A> Deems=0A>=0A>=0A> Kelly McMu ot2(at)gmail.com>=0A>>=0A>> Were they not seeing transponder reply, or just al titude? IMHO, you=0A>> need a transponder certification anyway. Atlantic, n ee Westwind used=0A>> to have that capability, and relatively cheap for VFR cert. Since you=0A>> are in Class B 30 mile arc, you need a fix pronto bef ore the FSDO=0A>> takes an interest.=0A>>=0A>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Deems Davis wrote:=0A>>=0A>>>=0A>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis =0A>>>=0A>>> Today, I w as informed by tower that they were not receiving my=0A>>> transponder,=0A> >> (GTX 327). Once back on the ground, I dug out the installation manual, =0A>>> and=0A>>> found a diagnostic 'page' on the display that purports to display the=0A>>> encoder input altitude, It displays both the binary, as w ell as the=0A>>> decoded=0A>>> altitude, In this case it was displaying 130 0 ft (baro adjust altitude at=0A>>> the field was 1400). To my uneducated m ind this suggests that the encoder=0A>>> is=0A>>> providing some (perhaps e rroneous). Alltitude info to the transponder.=0A>>> So.=0A>>> where should I look next? -I originally had the 'pole' antenna installed,=0A>>> but ch anged it out for the Commant blade style, Is the antenna/coax/=0A>>> connec tions the next logical place to look.=0A>>> Any suggestions gladly received ?=0A>>>=0A>>> Deems Davis=0A>>> N519PJ Phase1=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A =========================0A ================= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Apr 22, 2009
Subject: Transponder questions
That was kinda my thought too. If the coax is quick and easy to get to check that first otherwise I would see if someone can bench test it just you you can eliminate that as a possibility. If you suspect the unit, let me know and I can send you my 327 to give a try. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:04 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Transponder questions You are fortunate in that there is at least one, probably two ATC radars that should splash DVT if you are clear of the hangars, on the north ramp. PHX has a new one at Union Hills and Central Ave, and of course Luke's radar is pretty new and also close by. So if you power up from external power, you should be able to test ping on the ground. With the unit getting power, lighting up, either your antenna isn't feeding a signal in, to trigger a reply, or the transponder output is no good. Avionics shop may be willing to see if it works on the bench, gratis. Infant mortality is not unheard of. On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > > Kelly they aren't seeing anything, and I'm not seeing any 'pings/replies' on > the unit in the panel. I agree, this needs to get fixed before going aloft > again, don't want to wake up the bear. I do need the cert, but I need to > have something certifiable, which at present I don't. I'm going to go down > the antenna route, coax, pins, shield, connectors, ground, etc. and see if > that leads to an improvement. > > Deems > > > Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> >> Were they not seeing transponder reply, or just altitude? IMHO, you >> need a transponder certification anyway. Atlantic, nee Westwind used >> to have that capability, and relatively cheap for VFR cert. Since you >> are in Class B 30 mile arc, you need a fix pronto before the FSDO >> takes an interest. >> >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Deems Davis wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Today, I was informed by tower that they were not receiving my >>> transponder, >>> (GTX 327). Once back on the ground, I dug out the installation manual, >>> and >>> found a diagnostic 'page' on the display that purports to display the >>> encoder input altitude, It displays both the binary, as well as the >>> decoded >>> altitude, In this case it was displaying 1300 ft (baro adjust altitude at >>> the field was 1400). To my uneducated mind this suggests that the encoder >>> is >>> providing some (perhaps erroneous). Alltitude info to the transponder. >>> So. >>> where should I look next? I originally had the 'pole' antenna installed, >>> but changed it out for the Commant blade style, Is the antenna/coax/ >>> connections the next logical place to look. >>> Any suggestions gladly received? >>> >>> Deems Davis >>> N519PJ Phase1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 22, 2009
Subject: Re: Transponder questions
From: jim(at)CombsFive.Com
(1) Check to see if the transponder is showing the reply indicator on the display. That is an indication that it is attempting to transmit. (I had a bad cable and even though the unit was doing the reply, it was not going out). The cable connector was faulty (My fault!) (2) Check the setup in the transponder as to what it is expecting from the EFIS. You may need to check the EFIS manual for the proper setup. Jim C 40192 - Flying - 58 hours! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today, I was informed by tower that they were not receiving my transponder, (GTX 327). Once back on the ground, I dug out the installation manual, and found a diagnostic 'page' on the display that purports to display the encoder input altitude, It displays both the binary, as well as the decoded altitude, In this case it was displaying 1300 ft (baro adjust altitude at the field was 1400). To my uneducated mind this suggests that the encoder is providing some (perhaps erroneous). Alltitude info to the transponder. So. where should I look next? I originally had the 'pole' antenna installed, but changed it out for the Commant blade style, Is the antenna/coax/ connections the next logical place to look. Any suggestions gladly received? Deems Davis N519PJ Phase1 - The RV10-List Email Forum - Features Navigator to browse Un/Subscription, Chat, FAQ, --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - available via the Web Forums! http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - generous support! Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 22, 2009
Subject: Avionics Wiring - Advanced Flight Systems
From: jim(at)CombsFive.Com
I am installing the AP from Advanced Flight Systems. I have updated the spreadsheet for my avionics harness. Current configuration: AF3500EE GTX327 ARINC SL30 GNS430W DII VSGV (Advanced Flight Systems Version) PS8000B It may be of value to someone else. Print it out to get the full affect of the connections. I tended to use 2 and 3 wire shielded for most connections. I am not aware of any wiring errors. Thanks, Jim C N312F - Flying. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 22, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Transponder questions
Thanks to all who responded with information & suggestions. I did verify in the air that the ALT func was selected, but no replies were being seen in the panel. I hadn't thought of swapping, but that's a great idea, shouldn''t be too hard to find someone to help out on that end. Short of that, I'll have to tear out the center console and it's gadgets in order to get into the tunnel where the antenna and cable are mounted/routed. URGH!!! Deems > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Apr 22, 2009
Subject: Avionics Wiring - Advanced Flight Systems
Jim, Are you running a beta of the AFS AP software? I understand it's not ava ilable yet. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of jim(at)CombsFive.Com Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: RV10-List: Avionics Wiring - Advanced Flight Systems I am installing the AP from Advanced Flight Systems. I have updated the sp readsheet for my avionics harness. Current configuration: AF3500EE GTX327 ARINC SL30 GNS430W DII VSGV (Advanced Flight Systems Version) PS8000B It may be of value to someone else. Print it out to get the full affect of the connections. I tended to use 2 and 3 wire shielded for most connectio ns. I am not aware of any wiring errors. Thanks, Jim C N312F - Flying. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 22, 2009
Subject: Avionics Wiring - Advanced Flight Systems
From: jim(at)CombsFive.Com
I talked to Rob. He sent me an "Current" set of code (Not yet posted). Quite a few changes (Read that as --> lots of new additions). The EFIS is running with the new code and I am just now getting the AP hardware installed. The AP control head is logo'ed with AFS logo (Shipped from TruTrak). The AP requires the ARINC adapter (RS-422) interface. They are into the Sun-N-Fun event at the moment so there are not a lot of folks in Oregon. Jim C N312F Jim, Are you running a beta of the AFS AP software? I understand it's not available yet. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim(at)CombsFive.Com Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:46 AM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Avionics Wiring - Advanced Flight Systems I am installing the AP from Advanced Flight Systems. I have updated the spreadsheet for my avionics harness. Current configuration: AF3500EE GTX327 ARINC SL30 GNS430W DII VSGV (Advanced Flight Systems Version) PS8000B It may be of value to someone else. Print it out to get the full affect of the connections. I tended to use 2 and 3 wire shielded for most connections. I am not aware of any wiring errors. Thanks, Jim C N312F - Flying. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6(at)att.net>
Subject: Transponder questions
Date: Apr 22, 2009
Make sure antenna is grounded to mounting area. Might need to rough up the aluminum on inside of cockpit if it is painted or primed, use an aluminum plate with nut plates to accept antenna screws. The plate should ground to the skin. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Transponder questions Kelly they aren't seeing anything, and I'm not seeing any 'pings/replies' on the unit in the panel. I agree, this needs to get fixed before going aloft again, don't want to wake up the bear. I do need the cert, but I need to have something certifiable, which at present I don't. I'm going to go down the antenna route, coax, pins, shield, connectors, ground, etc. and see if that leads to an improvement. Deems Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Were they not seeing transponder reply, or just altitude? IMHO, you > need a transponder certification anyway. Atlantic, nee Westwind used > to have that capability, and relatively cheap for VFR cert. Since you > are in Class B 30 mile arc, you need a fix pronto before the FSDO > takes an interest. > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > >> >> Today, I was informed by tower that they were not receiving my transponder, >> (GTX 327). Once back on the ground, I dug out the installation manual, and >> found a diagnostic 'page' on the display that purports to display the >> encoder input altitude, It displays both the binary, as well as the decoded >> altitude, In this case it was displaying 1300 ft (baro adjust altitude at >> the field was 1400). To my uneducated mind this suggests that the encoder is >> providing some (perhaps erroneous). Alltitude info to the transponder. So. >> where should I look next? I originally had the 'pole' antenna installed, >> but changed it out for the Commant blade style, Is the antenna/coax/ >> connections the next logical place to look. >> Any suggestions gladly received? >> >> Deems Davis >> N519PJ Phase1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: Re: Transponder questions
Date: Apr 22, 2009
Before you do all that, make sure you pull out and re-seat the radio in the tray real well. Many times it is just a bad connection between the radio and the tray itself... Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Deems Davis wrote: ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Re: Another 10 launch
Date: Apr 22, 2009
Good on you mate (or what ever it is you guys say down there)! On Apr 21, 2009, at 4:50 AM, McGANN, Ron wrote: > G'day all, > > Hot on Deems' tail, VH-XRM punched holes in the wild blue yonder at > 1530 Adelaide time 21 April under the expert airmanship of Jon > Johanson. A full throttle under power condition (2580 rpm)was > treated with some minor tweaks of the governor and she has a > slightly heavy right wing. Other than that, and some inappropriate > alarm configurations on the EIS, everything went extremely well. > Jon was amazed at the full flap stall speed of 45kts indicated and > even given his experience, I reckon the grin on his face was bigger > than mine! > > 1660lbs with paint and in flying configuration. Oh what a feeling!! > > cheers, > Ron > VH-XRM FLYYYYINGGGG > > "Warning: > The information contained in this email and any attached files is > confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended > recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any > attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email > in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been > taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, > however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the > sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus > checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to > your computer." > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Transponder questions
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Apr 22, 2009
BTW, the altitude readout on the transponder is pressure altitude. To check its accuracy, set the aircraft altimeter to 29.92". -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240744#240744 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve Bracket & Location
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Apr 22, 2009
"That bracket threw me for a loop. Some drawings show it flanges up and some show it flanges down." The "old style" is flanges down, bracket mounted high in the tunnel. The "new style" is flanges up, bracket mounted about 3.5" lower. AND, the two brackets (new and old) are not identical. Nor are the fuel valves. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240750#240750 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: cowl heat shield photos?
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 22, 2009
Planning to use epoxy based high-temp primer on the inside of the cowl as has been discussed in this forum recently. Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240798#240798 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: seat belt counter sink?
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Apr 22, 2009
Jay, It is not the official traveling countersink, but I have one at KAPA. I am not sure where in CO you are located. Contact me off list if you are interested. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240834#240834 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
From: "n277dl" <dljinia(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 22, 2009
group... how did you cut the hole for the fans? Circle fly cutter on a not flat piece if aluminum doesn't seem like too much fun. Thanks, Doug -------- Doug "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240843#240843 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Date: Apr 22, 2009
Before you permanently mount the front glare shield, you might consider several large 5" by 7" access panels on it. They can be covered using plates, nut plates and cap screws (for easy removal). A defrost fan can be mount to the back of an access panel. The plate can be flat for fan installation purposes. You will need these access panels unless you like lying on your back with the seats removed to service avionics. I can't find my current pictures of same but they are located one on each side in front of pilot/copilot. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n277dl Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans group... how did you cut the hole for the fans? Circle fly cutter on a not flat piece if aluminum doesn't seem like too much fun. Thanks, Doug -------- Doug "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240843#240843 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 22, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Transponder questions
Jerry, after noodling on this, I actually think this might be the culpret. And will be the 1st place I look. I changed out the original 'pole' antenna for a 'blade' type during the build process, and in doing so I also installed a doubler, in looking back at the photo log it appears that I primed the double before attaching it !?!? . I pulled the unit and took it to an avionics shop on field today and they put it on their tester and said it was clean, so either the encoder & connections or antenna & connections. Thanks to all for the help so far. Deems I also tried the unseat and reseat step. Jerry Calvert wrote: > > Make sure antenna is grounded to mounting area. Might need to rough up the > aluminum on inside of cockpit if it is painted or primed, use an aluminum > plate with nut plates to accept antenna screws. The plate should ground to > the skin. > > Jerry > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Date: Apr 22, 2009
I just did that today. I set the dash upside-down on a sheet of plywood on top of two sheets of styrofoam. Then I pre-drilled the center of each hole with a #40 bit just to get an accurate pilot hole. Then just used a 3.5 inch hole saw in my 12 volt DeWalt cordless drill. Low rpm setting on the drill. Gentle pressure. Debur when done. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "n277dl" <dljinia(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans > > group... > > how did you cut the hole for the fans? Circle fly cutter on a not flat > piece if aluminum doesn't seem like too much fun. > > Thanks, > Doug > > -------- > Doug > "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will > always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240843#240843 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 22, 2009
Subject: Re: Transponder questions
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
You also could disconnect the encoder, after verifying the antenna grounding and see if it works in Mode A only. KISS. One step at a time, get the basic unit working, then the encoder. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > > Jerry, after noodling on this, I actually think this might be the culpret. > And will be the 1st place I look. I changed out the original 'pole' antenna > for a 'blade' type during the build process, and in doing so I also > installed a doubler, in looking back at the photo log it appears that I > primed the double before attaching it !?!? . I pulled the unit and took it > to an avionics shop on field today and they put it on their tester and said > it was clean, so either the encoder & connections or antenna & connections. > > Thanks to all for the help so far. > > Deems > > I also tried the unseat and reseat step. > > Jerry Calvert wrote: >> >> >> Make sure antenna is grounded to mounting area. Might need to rough up >> the >> aluminum on inside of cockpit if it is painted or primed, use an aluminum >> plate with nut plates to accept antenna screws. The plate should ground >> to >> the skin. >> >> Jerry >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Apr 23, 2009
Here is what I did. you'll find more on my new webpage under panel-work. Cheers Michael -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240864#240864 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/defrost_2_154.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/defrost_fan_205.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Date: Apr 23, 2009
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>
Hey all, Given my recent experiences with the door magnets and affects on the compass/magnetometer, just a gentle reminder to consider the magnetic fields typically generated by DC motors when setting out your panel. Cheers, Ron -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wellenzohn Sent: Thursday, 23 April 2009 4:40 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans Here is what I did. you'll find more on my new webpage under panel-work. Cheers Michael -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240864#240864 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/defrost_2_154.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/defrost_fan_205.jpg "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris and Susie" <vhicy(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: to michael Wellenzohn
Date: Apr 23, 2009
Hi Michael your a hard bloke to contact! All the emails to you months ago bounced back.Perhaps your email filter thinks my email is spam? I wanted to tell you I could not take your friend from over there for a fly due to the major bush fires over here. You may have heard about it over 170 died. being a fireman you can imagine I was flat out for weeks. I love your panel and are going to upgrade mine and were thinking of something like yours! Its a bit hard with the pics as quite small are you using the advanced deck? Hows the better half? Please email direct vhicy at bigpond.com Chris VH-ICY ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: cowl heat shield photos?
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Apr 23, 2009
Tim tripped over the same verbiage I did. But let's not leave it at that. What do you mean by "heat shield"? If you are referring to the adhesive backed reflective material (like aluminum tape) that Van's sells then OK. If you mean something else, then what is it? -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240931#240931 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: Re: cowl heat shield photos?
Date: Apr 23, 2009
FWIW, I used the sticky backed heat shield from Van's in my RV-4 cowl. After several hours of use, the heat melted the adhesive and most of it came loose. I purchased more and the second time I squeegied a thin layer of high temp silicone over the sticky backed adhesive, layed it in place and used a plastic squeegie to smooth it out. It hasn't moved in 300 hours...... I'm going to do the same on the -10. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2009, at 2:09 PM, "nukeflyboy" wrote: > > Tim tripped over the same verbiage I did. But let's not leave it at > that. What do you mean by "heat shield"? If you are referring to > the adhesive backed reflective material (like aluminum tape) that > Van's sells then OK. If you mean something else, then what is it? > > -------- > Dave Moore > RV-6 flying > RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240931#240931 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 23, 2009
I am deep into the tunnel with a sore back and wondering if I could impose on the brain trust with a question. For grounding the fuel pump and totalizer, is it best to ground them to structure in the tunnel or join them to a dedicated ground wire back to the bus? Thanks in advance. This electron voodoo is new to me. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240944#240944 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding
From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
Date: Apr 23, 2009
Motors and sensors are best grounded to a central ground...I have all my grounds grounded to central ground on the firewall...but you WILL get different opinions...now back to the airplane!! Rick S. 40185 Outta parts!!! ------Original Message------ From: woxofswa Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Apr 23, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding I am deep into the tunnel with a sore back and wondering if I could impose on the brain trust with a question. For grounding the fuel pump and totalizer, is it best to ground them to structure in the tunnel or join them to a dedicated ground wire back to the bus? Thanks in advance. This electron voodoo is new to me. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240944#240944 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 23, 2009
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Wish I knew what a bad idea it was before I tried it. I got one hole thru ok. The cutter grabbed and gave me (thankfully) a small rip in the cowling. I ended up cutting a pair of doublers for both fans.... I found out just how lucky I was with the cowling as I tried to cut the doublers. All is well now but not a fun weekend. Bill "riveting the front panel cowling this week" Watson n277dl wrote: > > group... > > how did you cut the hole for the fans? Circle fly cutter on a not flat piece if aluminum doesn't seem like too much fun. > > Thanks, > Doug > > -------- > Doug > "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240843#240843 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 23, 2009
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling
I'm in the process of pulling the engine off so I can rivet the front cowling on. It seemed like putting the engine on and doing some of the work before riveting on the front cowling was a good idea. I know others have done it. It still seems like a good idea. However, I'm unable to rivet the cowling on with the engine in place. Even with a few pop rivets, I am unable to get to the 2 or 3 rivets behind 8amp alternator. Not a big deal but unexpected. Still seems like the best way to go given the ease of wiring and panel work with cowling of and the engine on. Bill "riveting the top cowling on this week" Watson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Date: Apr 23, 2009
I used a fan as a drill guide and drilled the four mounting holes. Then I traced a circle pattern with a sharpie, drilled a pilot hole or four inside the pattern, used the cheapy harbor freight body saw to rough cut up to the line then cleaned up to the rest of the way with the dremel tool and/or jewelers file. It went pretty quick and looks great sitting in the garage buried in fiberglass dust. -Ben Westfall #40579 Wish I knew what a bad idea it was before I tried it. I got one hole thru ok. The cutter grabbed and gave me (thankfully) a small rip in the cowling. I ended up cutting a pair of doublers for both fans.... I found out just how lucky I was with the cowling as I tried to cut the doublers. All is well now but not a fun weekend. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4031 (20090423) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding
Date: Apr 23, 2009
I'll second this opinion. Single point ground for anything that might make noise, per Bob. Chris #40072 ----- Original Message ----- From: <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:59 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding > > Motors and sensors are best grounded to a central ground...I have all my > grounds grounded to central ground on the firewall...but you WILL get > different opinions...now back to the airplane!! > > Rick S. > 40185 > Outta parts!!! > ------Original Message------ > From: woxofswa > Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > To: Rv > ReplyTo: Rv > Sent: Apr 23, 2009 2:37 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Fuel pump and totalizer grounding > > > I am deep into the tunnel with a sore back and wondering if I could impose > on the brain trust with a question. > > For grounding the fuel pump and totalizer, is it best to ground them to > structure in the tunnel or join them to a dedicated ground wire back to > the bus? > > Thanks in advance. > > This electron voodoo is new to me. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240944#240944 > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: W&B update
Date: Apr 23, 2009
Just completed the first annual and re weighed after installing the extra battery. The new weight is 1666 and a cg of 108.13. installing the 680 on the firewall moved the CG about an inch forward. I won't feel any anxiety loading 100 pounds in the baggage area (35 pounds of tools and 65 pounds of family things). Based on a previous weight I calculate the battery at 15 and the paint at 21. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Date: Apr 23, 2009
Here are the pics of the work in progress. I didn't seem to take any pictures of the finished product. For those that plan to use the body saw and are worried about that tight corners use your step drill to open it up so all you have to do is cut straight lines. I know I did that but damned if I can find a picture. I do remember thinking "am I really going to cut into this perfectly formed leading edge?" I think I backed off with the drill about 3 times before I could work up the nerve. Ben Westfall #40579 Great pics! I just want to add that I did the same cut for the HID per Tim, using the same HF tool. That was the hairiest procedure I've done on the plane to date... and that was 2+ years ago. WooHoo! I mean that curve seemed to me to be the minimum possible with that saw and that blade. It's a crude, noisy, vibrating, non-featherable tool. So the greater curvature for the fan is a good thing. In retrospect I should have done the same for the fans. But if you are doing the cut for the HIDs, eat your Wheaties first. I'm still a bit shaken by how close to disaster the whole process was. But it turned out well. I'd probably use my die grinder and some files now. I've learned to love files. Really great pics. I would have used a drum type sander on my die grinder. I don't use the flat face sander as much as I should. Both sanders are handy tools. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4031 (20090423) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pascal" <pascal(at)rv10builder.net>
Subject: Re: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling
Date: Apr 23, 2009
Have you tried just using the hoist and lifting the engine weight off the plane? seems a little easier than removing it all together. Good information BTW! Thanks! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Mauledriver Watson" <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: RV10-List: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling > > > I'm in the process of pulling the engine off so I can rivet the front > cowling on. It seemed like putting the engine on and doing some of the > work before riveting on the front cowling was a good idea. I know others > have done it. It still seems like a good idea. However, I'm unable to > rivet the cowling on with the engine in place. Even with a few pop > rivets, I am unable to get to the 2 or 3 rivets behind 8amp alternator. > > Not a big deal but unexpected. Still seems like the best way to go given > the ease of wiring and panel work with cowling of and the engine on. > > Bill "riveting the top cowling on this week" Watson > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 24, 2009
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling
Haven't thought of that but will. My thinking so far is that in order to get the alternator to clear the firewall rivets, I'll need to pull the entire engine. It's just four bolts and a few connections I have wired/plumbed. Not much at this point. It would be even better to remove the engine mount but that's a bit more involved with the nose gear in place and all. Actually there are 3 other jobs which will be eased with the engine on-then-off. 1) Firewall penetration for all the engine probe stuff - EGT, head temp, etc. Will use the Safeair device from Avery 2) remove the bottom hinge for the engine cowling attach and replace with screws or cam-locs or something - still searching the archives for the options here 3) install the engine controls using Van's method - make sure it works with the throttle quadrant, hole location and engine Now if my 3rd HF hydraulic ram will hold up through this maneuver, I will be a happy guy Bill pascal wrote: > > Have you tried just using the hoist and lifting the engine weight off > the plane? seems a little easier than removing it all together. > > Good information BTW! > Thanks! > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Bill Mauledriver Watson" <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:43 PM > To: > Subject: RV10-List: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front > cowling > >> >> >> I'm in the process of pulling the engine off so I can rivet the front >> cowling on. It seemed like putting the engine on and doing some of >> the work before riveting on the front cowling was a good idea. I >> know others have done it. It still seems like a good idea. However, >> I'm unable to rivet the cowling on with the engine in place. Even >> with a few pop rivets, I am unable to get to the 2 or 3 rivets behind >> 8amp alternator. >> >> Not a big deal but unexpected. Still seems like the best way to go >> given the ease of wiring and panel work with cowling of and the >> engine on. >> >> Bill "riveting the top cowling on this week" Watson >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front cowling
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 24, 2009
I was able to rivet all but one or two places on the firewall with the engine already on. I did remove the SD-20 alternator. Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241037#241037 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: cowl heat shield photos?
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 24, 2009
1) Apply thin coat of Acetone thinned epoxy 2) Cover with 1200 degree outdoor grill paint (Home Depot) 3) Apply Van's self-stick aluminum foil with edges RTV'ed for areas next to exhaust nukeflyboy wrote: > Tim tripped over the same verbiage I did. But let's not leave it at that. What do you mean by "heat shield"? If you are referring to the adhesive backed reflective material (like aluminum tape) that Van's sells then OK. If you mean something else, then what is it? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241042#241042 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: cowl heat shield photos?
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Apr 24, 2009
Looks like a good plan. I have used Van's reflective heat shield on my RV-6 and it works well. It is only needed where the cowl is in close proximity to the exhaust pipes (say 3-4 inches). -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241104#241104 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 24, 2009
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Heads up on mounting engine before riveting front
cowling Yeah, the SD-20 is the main problem. At this point, it's *almost* easier to remove the engine than to cycle that thing on and off. That 4th nut is a bear! jayb wrote: > > I was able to rivet all but one or two places on the firewall with the engine already on. I did remove the SD-20 alternator. > > Jay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241037#241037 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 24, 2009
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: Another 10 launch
Well done bro it was worth all those hours of riveting in your cold shed in winter and mozzies biting us in summer.=0A=0ANow for the around Australia trek with her (and Anne).=0A=0AWishing you safe, and clear-skies.=0A=0ARe gards=0A=0APat=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFr om: "McGANN, Ron" =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 9:20:45 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Another 1 0 launch=0A=0A=0AG'day all,=0A=0AHot on Deems' tail, VH-XRM punched holes i n the wild blue yonder at 1530 Adelaide time 21 April under the expert airm anship of Jon Johanson.- A full throttle under power condition (2580 rpm) was treated with some minor tweaks of the governor and she has a slightly h eavy right wing.- Other than that, and some inappropriate alarm configura tions on the EIS, everything went extremely well.- Jon was amazed at the full flap stall speed of 45kts indicated and even given his experience, I r eckon the grin on his face was bigger than mine!=0A=0A1660lbs with paint an d in flying configuration.- Oh what a feeling!!=0A=0Acheers,=0ARon=0AVH-X RM FLYYYYINGGGG =0A"Warning: The information contained in this email and a ny attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or a ny attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken t o ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before in ===== =0A=0A=0A Enjoy a better web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 24, 2009
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve Bracket & Location
Thanks Bob.- I thought that the brackets were different, although Vans st ated that they were the same!=0A=0ARegards=0A=0APat=0A=0ADo No Archive=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Bob Turner <bobturner@ alum.rpi.edu>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, 23 April, 200 9 3:03:45 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Re: Andair Fuel Valve Bracket & Location >=0A=0A"That bracket threw me for a loop. Some drawings show it flanges up and some show it flanges down."=0A=0AThe "old style" is flanges down, brack et mounted high in the tunnel. The "new style" is flanges up, bracket mount ed about 3.5" lower. AND, the two brackets (new and old) are not identical. Nor are the fuel valves.=0A=0A--------=0ABob Turner=0ARV-10 QB=0A=0A=0A=0A =0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic. ====0A=0A=0A Yahoo!7 recommends that you update your browser to the new Internet Explorer 8.Get it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Showplanes flap position device
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 24, 2009
I bought the flap preposition device when I bought my fuselage kit. As I was preparing to wire it up today, I thought of a question. When EFIS displays show flap position, are they working off of this device or a different device, and if the latter, does that make this device redundant or are both necessary to get both pre-select function and EFIS display? Thanks in advance. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241164#241164 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Date: Apr 24, 2009
Once you get it roughed out then using a small drum sander in a drill works really well. I used this method for the edge light cutout and it was almos t a perfect match for the inside curves. I believe the drum is 2" in diamet er. 80 grit eats thru the metal real fast and is easy to control. Dan > From: rv10(at)sinkrate.com > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans > Date: Thu=2C 23 Apr 2009 21:04:49 -0700 > > Here are the pics of the work in progress. I didn't seem to take any > pictures of the finished product. For those that plan to use the body saw > and are worried about that tight corners use your step drill to open it u p > so all you have to do is cut straight lines. I know I did that but damned > if I can find a picture. > > I do remember thinking "am I really going to cut into this perfectly form ed > leading edge?" I think I backed off with the drill about 3 times before I > could work up the nerve. > > Ben Westfall > #40579 > > > > Great pics! I just want to add that I did the same cut for the HID per > Tim=2C using the same HF tool. That was the hairiest procedure I've done > on the plane to date... and that was 2+ years ago. WooHoo! I mean that > curve seemed to me to be the minimum possible with that saw and that > blade. It's a crude=2C noisy=2C vibrating=2C non-featherable tool. So the > greater curvature for the fan is a good thing. > > In retrospect I should have done the same for the fans. But if you are > doing the cut for the HIDs=2C eat your Wheaties first. I'm still a bit > shaken by how close to disaster the whole process was. But it turned > out well. I'd probably use my die grinder and some files now. I've > learned to love files. > > Really great pics. I would have used a drum type sander on my die > grinder. I don't use the flat face sander as much as I should. Both > sanders are handy tools. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus=2C version of virus sign ature > database 4031 (20090423) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_ Storage2_042009 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Showplanes flap position device
Date: Apr 24, 2009
I had to add a sensor for flap position. Did it during my first annual..... Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of woxofswa Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Showplanes flap position device I bought the flap preposition device when I bought my fuselage kit. As I was preparing to wire it up today, I thought of a question. When EFIS displays show flap position, are they working off of this device or a different device, and if the latter, does that make this device redundant or are both necessary to get both pre-select function and EFIS display? Thanks in advance. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241164#241164 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 25, 2009
Subject: Re: Showplanes flap position device
From: James McGrew <jsmcgrew(at)alum.mit.edu>
This post shows a picture of my position sensor installation: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=11004 -Jim On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:32 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > I bought the flap preposition device when I bought my fuselage kit. > As I was preparing to wire it up today, I thought of a question. > > When EFIS displays show flap position, are they working off of this device > or a different device, and if the latter, does that make this device > redundant or are both necessary to get both pre-select function and EFIS > display? > > Thanks in advance. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241164#241164 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Showplanes flap position device
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 25, 2009
Thanks guys. I was hoping that the positioner would also function as a position sensor, but I guess that would be too convenient. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241231#241231 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: interior finishing
From: "n277dl" <dljinia(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 25, 2009
Group, I plan on using the interior kit from Flightline. My wife and I visited Abby last fall and she gave us a page that showed what needed to be painted on the interior. There isn't much that has to be painted if I'm reading this correctly.....so those that have already been down this path.... did you paint all the interior or just what will show? thanks, Doug -------- Doug "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241244#241244 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: interior finishing
Date: Apr 25, 2009
Doug, I painted everything. So now, Abby's interior is still sitting in the boxes waiting for that rainy day...! Roger Flying since 4 July 2008 and have not missed the fancy interior ----- Original Message ----- From: n277dl<mailto:dljinia(at)yahoo.com> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: RV10-List: interior finishing > Group, I plan on using the interior kit from Flightline. My wife and I visited Abby last fall and she gave us a page that showed what needed to be painted on the interior. There isn't much that has to be painted if I'm reading this correctly.....so those that have already been down this path.... did you paint all the interior or just what will show? thanks, Doug -------- Doug "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241244#241244 .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241244#241244> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List igator?RV10-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: interior finishing
Date: Apr 25, 2009
I did not and wish I would have. I have also added some more headliner and one extra cover. If you want to know more about what I did just send me a PM at rene at Felker dot com. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n277dl Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: RV10-List: interior finishing Group, I plan on using the interior kit from Flightline. My wife and I visited Abby last fall and she gave us a page that showed what needed to be painted on the interior. There isn't much that has to be painted if I'm reading this correctly.....so those that have already been down this path.... did you paint all the interior or just what will show? thanks, Doug -------- Doug "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241244#241244 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: EIS Settings
Date: Apr 26, 2009
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>
Hi guys, For those using GRTs EIS 6000 for displaying L/R fuel amount, could I troub le someone to pass on their AUXSF and AUXOFF settings so I can confirm my c onfiguration?? Thanks in advance Ron VH-XRM flying phase 1 "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: interior finishing
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Apr 25, 2009
I have Abby's interior and it does cover almost everything. After spending some time trying to visualize what areas would not be covered, I decided it would be just as easy to paint all of the interior. I am glad I did it that way. It takes more time mixing the paint and setting up the gun than it does to shoot it. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241280#241280 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Date: Apr 25, 2009
You can use a fly utter as a hand tool if you want. It's a bit more work but much more controllable. The material (up to .032") we are talking about isn't that bad. Just sub your arm for the drill motor and twist away. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ N991RV -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans Wish I knew what a bad idea it was before I tried it. I got one hole thru ok. The cutter grabbed and gave me (thankfully) a small rip in the cowling. I ended up cutting a pair of doublers for both fans.... I found out just how lucky I was with the cowling as I tried to cut the doublers. All is well now but not a fun weekend. Bill "riveting the front panel cowling this week" Watson n277dl wrote: > > group... > > how did you cut the hole for the fans? Circle fly cutter on a not flat piece if aluminum doesn't seem like too much fun. > > Thanks, > Doug > > -------- > Doug > "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240843#240843 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Dual static line runs?
From: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 26, 2009
Trutrak suggests that a large # of demands on static line may cause lag in auto pilot. Their suggestion is to run two static lines forward to panel IF this occurs. My current panel is two AFS 4500's, one AFS 3400, 2&1/4" backup altimeter and airspeed, trutrak adi and vsvg2 autopilot , and 430w garmin stack for demands on static line. Has anyone actually found a need for a second static line (still using just the original two static ports) or is one sufficient? I'd like to avoid second line but if I'm going to run one, now's the time. Thanks, Tom H. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241293#241293 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "richard sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Dual static line runs?
Date: Apr 26, 2009
I would have to agree wtih Tim and Jesse, I also have multiple taps and all static related indications are very close. Dick Sipp N110DV 130 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 26, 2009
Subject: Re: Dual static line runs?
From: jim(at)CombsFive.Com
That is weird. Is this specified in the manuals? There is no flow in either the static or the pitot system, only pressure. Very low pressures to boot. Is that something someone told you on the phone? really curious. Jim C "tomhanaway" Trutrak suggests that a large # of demands on static line may cause lag in auto pilot. Their suggestion is to run two static lines forward to panel IF this occurs. My current panel is two AFS 4500's, one AFS 3400, 2&1/4" backup altimeter and airspeed, trutrak adi and vsvg2 autopilot , and 430w garmin stack for demands on static line. Has anyone actually found a need for a second static line (still using just the original two static ports) or is one sufficient? I'd like to avoid second line but if I'm going to run one, now's the time. Thanks, Tom H. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241293#241293 - The RV10-List Email Forum - Features Navigator to browse Un/Subscription, Chat, FAQ, --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - available via the Web Forums! http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - generous support! Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Dual static line runs?
From: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 26, 2009
Jim, actually in writing. Page 2 of the vsvg2 install manual (see below). Based on everyone's comments, it sounds like the single line has sufficient volume. I'm using the safeair 1 system. Thanks to all. One more "mental demon" put to rest. Tom Pitot and Static Connections All multi-servo TruTrak autopilots require connections to the pitot and static lines. The preferred method of this connection would be tee fittings near the aircrafts altimeter. The static line for the autopilot requires due care in its construction, as excessive lag or insufficient static orifices can cause the autopilot to oscillate (hunt) in pitch. Although there is compensation within the autopilot sufficient to handle moderate amounts of lag, the importance of a good static port and line cannot be overstated. In some cases problems can be caused by having a large number of devices (including the autopilot) connected to a single, insufficient, static port. In other cases, the static line itself is adequate but there are one or more devices connected to the same line, one of which has a large static reservoir. A simple remedy for this problem if it occurs is a tee-fitting near the static port, and a dedicated line to the autopilot only. Obviously, an insufficiently-large orifice coupled with large static reservoirs can aggravate the problems associated with lag. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241355#241355 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 26, 2009
Subject: Re: Dual static line runs?
From: jim(at)CombsFive.Com
I am currently installing an VSGV DII and missed that statement. I could see where a older mechanical instrument might have a set of "Bellows" and that by itself could set up some pressure fluctuations. The newer electronic EFIS units depend on mems based pressure sensors and would not have any such devices. I have been focusing on the servo installation this weekend. The connections to the control unit will happen this week. Comment for anyone currently running wiring. Run ALL the wires you ever think you might need. Going back and adding them is NOT a fun process. Thanks Tom for the post. Jim Combs N312F Flying (Soon with autopilot!) --> RV10-List message posted by: "tomhanaway" Jim, actually in writing. Page 2 of the vsvg2 install manual (see below). Based on everyone's comments, it sounds like the single line has sufficient volume. I'm using the safeair 1 system. Thanks to all. One more "mental demon" put to rest. Tom Pitot and Static Connections All multi-servo TruTrak autopilots require connections to the pitot and static lines. The preferred method of this connection would be tee fittings near the aircraft€™s altimeter. The static line for the autopilot requires due care in its construction, as excessive lag or insufficient static orifices can cause the autopilot to oscillate (hunt) in pitch. Although there is compensation within the autopilot sufficient to handle moderate amounts of lag, the importance of a good static port and line cannot be overstated. In some cases problems can be caused by having a large number of devices (including the autopilot) connected to a single, insufficient, static port. In other cases, the static line itself is adequate but there are one or more devices connected to the same line, one of which has a large static reservoir. A simple remedy for this problem if it occurs is a tee-fitting near the static port, and a dedicated line to the autopilot only. Obviously, an insufficiently-large orifice coupled with large static reservoirs can aggravate the problems associated with lag. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241355#241355 - The RV10-List Email Forum - Features Navigator to browse Un/Subscription, Chat, FAQ, --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - available via the Web Forums! http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - generous support! Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 27, 2009
From: linn <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Trio Autopilot install pictures needed
Give me time to get them off my camera. Linn Lenny Iszak wrote: > > Does anyone have install pictures of the pitch servo from Trio Avionics? > > Regards, > Lenny > #40803 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e(at)grandecom.net>
Subject: Re: Dual static line runs?
Date: Apr 27, 2009
Tom, I used the Safeair system also and I have the TruTrak Sorcerer auto pilot and a bunch of other static required instruments and I've had no problems at all. I've also had my instruments IFR certified and they found no problems. Wayne Edgerton N602WT flying ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Date: Apr 27, 2009
Where are you guys finding these fan motors? I've looked in Aircraft Spruce and another spot and can't find them. Thanks=2C Dan > From: ibspud(at)roadrunner.com > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans > Date: Sat=2C 25 Apr 2009 22:10:27 -0700 > > > You can use a fly utter as a hand tool if you want. It's a bit more work but > much more controllable. The material (up to .032") we are talking about > isn't that bad. Just sub your arm for the drill motor and twist away. > Albert Gardner > Yuma=2C AZ > N991RV > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriv er > Watson > Sent: Thursday=2C April 23=2C 2009 4:37 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans > > > > Wish I knew what a bad idea it was before I tried it. I got one hole > thru ok. The cutter grabbed and gave me (thankfully) a small rip in > the cowling. I ended up cutting a pair of doublers for both fans.... I > found out just how lucky I was with the cowling as I tried to cut the > doublers. All is well now but not a fun weekend. > > Bill "riveting the front panel cowling this week" Watson > > n277dl wrote: > > > > group... > > > > how did you cut the hole for the fans? Circle fly cutter on a not flat > piece if aluminum doesn't seem like too much fun. > > > > Thanks=2C > > Doug > > > > -------- > > Doug > > "=3BFools"=3B are always more creative than process people and will > always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240843#240843 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_ Updates2_042009 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Apr 27, 2009
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Any computer supply place. They are 80mm computer fans. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N 10110573% 201372526580%201372726528&bop=And&Order=RATING Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans Where are you guys finding these fan motors? I've looked in Aircraft Spruce and another spot and can't find them. Thanks, Dan > From: ibspud(at)roadrunner.com > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans > Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:10:27 -0700 > > > You can use a fly utter as a hand tool if you want. It's a bit more work but > much more controllable. The material (up to .032") we are talking about > isn't that bad. Just sub your arm for the drill motor and twist away. > Albert Gardner > Yuma, AZ > N991RV > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriv er > Watson > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:37 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans > > > > Wish I knew what a bad idea it was before I tried it. I got one hole > thru ok. The cutter grabbed and gave me (thankfully) a small rip in > the cowling. I ended up cutting a pair of doublers for both fans.... I > found out just how lucky I was with the cowling as I tried to cut the > doublers. All is well now but not a fun weekend. > > Bill "riveting the front panel cowling this week" Watson > > n277dl wrote: > > > > group... > > > > how did you cut the hole for the fans? Circle fly cutter on a not flat > piece if aluminum doesn't seem like too much fun. > > > > Thanks, > > Doug > > > > -------- > > Doug > > "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will > always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240843#240843 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &===================== >=========== > > ________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail(r): Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. Check it out.<http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Red iscover_Updates2_042009> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Date: Apr 27, 2009
Any computer supply company should carry some. I got low noise ones, but can not remember where. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:37 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans Where are you guys finding these fan motors? I've looked in Aircraft Spruce and another spot and can't find them. Thanks, Dan > From: ibspud(at)roadrunner.com > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans > Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:10:27 -0700 > > > You can use a fly utter as a hand tool if you want. It's a bit more work but > much more controllable. The material (up to .032") we are talking about > isn't that bad. Just sub your arm for the drill motor and twist away. > Albert Gardner > Yuma, AZ > N991RV > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver > Watson > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:37 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans > > > > Wish I knew what a bad idea it was before I tried it. I got one hole > thru ok. The cutter grabbed and gave me (thankfully) a small rip in > the cowling. I ended up cutting a pair of doublers for both fans.... I > found out just how lucky I was with the cowling as I tried to cut the > doublers. All is well now but not a fun weekend. > > Bill "riveting the front panel cowling this week" Watson > > n277dl wrote: > > > > group... > > > > how did you cut the hole for the fans? Circle fly cutter on a not flat > piece if aluminum doesn't seem like too much fun. > > > > Thanks, > > Doug > > > > -------- > > Doug > > "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will > always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240843#240843 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &===================== >=========== > > > _____ Rediscover HotmailR: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. Check it out. <http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Up dates2_042009> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 27, 2009
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Danny; Computer fans. Can get them all over the internet or computer warehouse if you live near one. Dr Fred. Danny Riggs wrote: > Where are you guys finding these fan motors? I've looked in Aircraft > Spruce and another spot and can't find them. Thanks, Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Date: Apr 27, 2009
Thanks guys! Hadn't thought of that one! Dan > Date: Mon=2C 27 Apr 2009 09:29:24 -0500 > From: drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans > nkmail.com> > > Danny=3B > > Computer fans. Can get them all over the internet or computer warehouse > if you live near one. > > Dr Fred. > > > > > > > > > > Danny Riggs wrote: > > Where are you guys finding these fan motors? I've looked in Aircraft > > Spruce and another spot and can't find them. Thanks=2C Dan > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_ Mobile2_042009 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Trio Autopilot install pictures needed
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Apr 27, 2009
Thanks Linn. For a moment I was under the impression that I was the only one installing a Trio into the 10. Did you install it on the tray that came with it? Regards, Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241489#241489 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Need ideas to remove aft crank plug for C/S prop
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 27, 2009
Buying a second hand engine seemed like a good idea at the time. However, the continuing saga of owner sweat equity is starting to get old! My O540 engine originally was configured for a fixed pitch prop. To convert over to a C/S prop, there are two plugs that need to be removed from the crank. The forward one was removed before the engine was mounted. However, the aft plug is still present. It has an offset 9/32" hole pierced into the steel plug that's about 7" behind the front of the crank. The plug is the press in type, not threaded. The governor oil tube is about 1.5" forward of the plug (just to make it interesting). Several folks have pointed me to using a dent puller slide hammer to remove the plug. No joy here so far. I can get to the hole, but the hook attachment gets hung up on the oil tube. Trying to thread a rod into the hole didn't work as 5/16" is too large and 1/4" is too small... The cheap dent pullers use a mandrel w/ screw, but it would seem difficult to get it into steel. A helpful guy at the local Advanced Auto Parts store suggested using a bearing puller. However, the issue is that the hole is quite small and there's no guarantee that spending $150 for a puller that has a good assortment of attachments will get me any further. The auto parts place does rent bearing pullers, but they are too large. Splitting the case and tapping out the plug is not an attractive option. Have others gone through this process? If so, what worked? Thanks in advance for replies! Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241505#241505 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 27, 2009
From: linn <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Trio Autopilot install pictures needed
Lenny Iszak wrote: > > Thanks Linn. For a moment I was under the impression that I was the only one installing a Trio into the 10. > > Did you install it on the tray that came with it? Yours came with a tray??? Sheesh ..... all I got was the servo and a connecting arm kit! May take me a few days to get those pics. Linn > > Regards, > Lenny > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241489#241489 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Trio Autopilot install pictures needed
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Apr 27, 2009
Yeah it did come with a tray, but i think it's too flimsy to use. I don't want that think to be flexing under the servo. It was also just a half an inch too short to install it under the 3 screws on the side of the elevator bell crank. Oh well... Looking forward for your pictures. Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241523#241523 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vernon Smith <planesmith(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: SlickStart location options
Date: Apr 27, 2009
Hi All=2C For those using a Slickstart with conventional mags=2C where did you mount it? Vern Smith (#324 finishing) _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_042009 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cal Hoffman" <cehoffman(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Need ideas to remove aft crank plug for C/S prop
Date: Apr 27, 2009
My O-540 also required different counterweights on the crank to match the C/S prop. Cal ----- Original Message ----- From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: RV10-List: Need ideas to remove aft crank plug for C/S prop > > Buying a second hand engine seemed like a good idea at the time. However, > the continuing saga of owner sweat equity is starting to get old! > > My O540 engine originally was configured for a fixed pitch prop. To > convert over to a C/S prop, there are two plugs that need to be removed > from the crank. The forward one was removed before the engine was mounted. > However, the aft plug is still present. It has an offset 9/32" hole > pierced into the steel plug that's about 7" behind the front of the crank. > The plug is the press in type, not threaded. The governor oil tube is > about 1.5" forward of the plug (just to make it interesting). > > Several folks have pointed me to using a dent puller slide hammer to > remove the plug. No joy here so far. I can get to the hole, but the hook > attachment gets hung up on the oil tube. Trying to thread a rod into the > hole didn't work as 5/16" is too large and 1/4" is too small... The cheap > dent pullers use a mandrel w/ screw, but it would seem difficult to get it > into steel. > > A helpful guy at the local Advanced Auto Parts store suggested using a > bearing puller. However, the issue is that the hole is quite small and > there's no guarantee that spending $150 for a puller that has a good > assortment of attachments will get me any further. The auto parts place > does rent bearing pullers, but they are too large. > > Splitting the case and tapping out the plug is not an attractive option. > > Have others gone through this process? If so, what worked? > > Thanks in advance for replies! > > Jay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241505#241505 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: SlickStart location options
Date: Apr 27, 2009
Engine side of the firewall, left hand side (from the pilots view), very high. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: RV10-List: SlickStart location options Hi All, For those using a Slickstart with conventional mags, where did you mount it? Vern Smith (#324 finishing) _____ Windows LiveT SkyDriveT: Get 25 GB of free online storage. Check it out. <http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_042009> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
Date: Apr 27, 2009
Try: http://www.sciplus.com/search.cfm?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=sear ch&utm_content=cf&utm_campaign=celsearchtest&formfield1234567891=19 &formfield1234567892=5&formfield1234567894=&term=fans&btnHand.x=0 &btnHand.y=0 ----- Original Message ----- From: Danny Riggs To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans Where are you guys finding these fan motors? I've looked in Aircraft Spruce and another spot and can't find them. Thanks, Dan > From: ibspud(at)roadrunner.com > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans > Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:10:27 -0700 > > > You can use a fly utter as a hand tool if you want. It's a bit more work but > much more controllable. The material (up to .032") we are talking about > isn't that bad. Just sub your arm for the drill motor and twist away. > Albert Gardner > Yuma, AZ > N991RV > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver > Watson > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:37 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans > > > > Wish I knew what a bad idea it was before I tried it. I got one hole > thru ok. The cutter grabbed and gave me (thankfully) a small rip in > the cowling. I ended up cutting a pair of doublers for both fans.... I > found out just how lucky I was with the cowling as I tried to cut the > doublers. All is well now but not a fun weekend. > > Bill "riveting the front panel cowling this week" Watson > > n277dl wrote: > > > > group... > > > > how did you cut the hole for the fans? Circle fly cutter on a not flat > piece if aluminum doesn't seem like too much fun. > > > > Thanks, > > Doug > > > > -------- > > Doug > > "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will > always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=240843#240843 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &===================== >=========== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. Check it out. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: LED NAV/Strobe/Landing Lights
Date: Apr 27, 2009
I'm looking for a source for LED landing lights. Also, someone posted a source and a picture of a LED Tail Light/Strobe combo that was the same package as a Whelan tail light/strobe combo and had the power supply for the LED strobe built in.. I can't find the message-can anyone help me out? Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ N991RV ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: LED NAV/Strobe/Landing Lights
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Apr 28, 2009
I think it was this one: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/posistrobe.php Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241636#241636 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2009
Subject: Re: What happened to nerv10.com?
From: William Curtis <wwc4(at)njit.edu>
As of last night, Nerv10.com is back on-line! http://www.nerv10.com/ -- William Curtis (40237) N237VX http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Glad to hear it, as you certainly had gathered a lot of valuable > information on your site. Thanks for your efforts. > > William Curtis wrote: > >> Should be back on the air in the next few days. I'm having a time trying >> to get my domain from a webhosting company that decided to change their >> monthly fees from $7 per month to $19 per month. I'm transfering it over to >> a new hosting company but the old hosting company is dragging their feet. >> William >> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rob Kochman > rv10rob(at)gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> It was redirecting to another site for a while, and now nothing. >> -Rob >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Defrost fans
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 28, 2009
or here: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=259-125%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&FTR=computer%20fan&CFID=9010675&CFTOKEN=83489149 Lots of fans + cool looking metal grill cover... http://www.directron.com/fangrill80bb.html Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241651#241651 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: LED NAV/Strobe/Landing Lights
Date: Apr 28, 2009
That's the one, thanks Lenny. I see they are on back order at Spruce. Albert Gardner -----Original Message----- I think it was this one: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/posistrobe.php Lenny ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2009
Subject: Re: LED NAV/Strobe/Landing Lights
From: "Chris Klugewicz" <ck(at)chesbay.com>
Albert, You might also want to look at these from Aeroleds: http://store.aeroleds.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7_17&products_id=34 I just ordered one myself. -- Chris -----Original Message----- From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:12pm Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: LED NAV/Strobe/Landing Lights That's the one, thanks Lenny. I see they are on back order at Spruce. Albert Gardner -----Original Message----- I think it was this one: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/posistrobe.php Lenny ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: LED NAV/Strobe/Landing Lights
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 28, 2009
I used www.kestrobes.com -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241677#241677 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Need ideas to remove aft crank plug for C/S prop
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 28, 2009
Update... Several good ideas showed up on my inbox, but I guess no one wanted to go out on a limb and state them in public. :-) 1) Weld a screw on the end of a rod. Thread screw either into existing hole or make a new one. Tap against the bent rod end to remove plug. - I like this one and give it a good chance for success... So long as the weld holds up. Wish the slide hammer I bought had this option, but learning how to weld might be fun. 2) Coat oversize screw with Permatex or Pro-Seal, screw into existing hole and leave it in place. - An A&P suggested this and on the surface it doesn't appear to be too likely to result in a Darwin Award nomination. However, it sorta puts the "E" in Experimental and my wife might not like it either. Think I'll pass on this on. 3) Disassemble engine and tap plug out from the backsize of the crank. - This dog doesn't hunt as I don't believe the crank has an aft opening. Thanks for the responses. Regards, Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241680#241680 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: What happened to nerv10.com?
Date: Apr 28, 2009
William, Great news! We start getting withdrawal pains when sites like yours and Tim's disappear for short periods of time. They've become great reference sites for the RV-10 community. Bob From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: What happened to nerv10.com? As of last night, Nerv10.com is back on-line! http://www.nerv10.com/ -- William Curtis (40237) N237VX http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: Glad to hear it, as you certainly had gathered a lot of valuable information on your site. Thanks for your efforts. William Curtis wrote: Should be back on the air in the next few days. I'm having a time trying to get my domain from a webhosting company that decided to change their monthly fees from $7 per month to $19 per month. I'm transfering it over to a new hosting company but the old hosting company is dragging their feet. William On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rob Kochman > wrote: It was redirecting to another site for a while, and now nothing. -Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: LED NAV/Strobe/Landing Lights
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Apr 28, 2009
You might also want to look at the article on led landing lights in Aviation Consumer, March 2009, page 15. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241709#241709 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: What happened to nerv10.com?
Date: Apr 28, 2009
Is this the same Bill Curtis that was at Vint Hill Farms in the late 1960's? ----- Original Message ----- From: William Curtis<mailto:wwc4(at)njit.edu> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: What happened to nerv10.com? As of last night, Nerv10.com is back on-line! http://www.nerv10.com/> -- William Curtis (40237) N237VX http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Kelly McMullen > wrote: > Glad to hear it, as you certainly had gathered a lot of valuable information on your site. Thanks for your efforts. William Curtis wrote: Should be back on the air in the next few days. I'm having a time trying to get my domain from a webhosting company that decided to change their monthly fees from $7 per month to $19 per month. I'm transfering it over to a new hosting company but the old hosting company is dragging their feet. William On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rob Kochman >> wrote: It was redirecting to another site for a while, and now nothing. -Rob http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List igator?RV10-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Defrost fans - Part Deux
Date: Apr 28, 2009
Hi Having given some thought to the defrost fans, I am wondering if a slot would be more effective. Cars have a long strip that goes across the length of the windscreen that allows warm air to pass along all sections on the windscreen. Would this arrangement be better than having a couple of hot spots on the dash? I am not sure how to do this but I am wondering about the basic idea only. Then again, a couple of fans may move so much air that this might be moot. My Cherokee has a couple of 3" slots that allow warm air to hit the windscreen. The "blast" of hot air has caused a slight distortion in the windscreen - something that may be worth considering as well. Cheers Les #40643 - some assembly required ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Defrost fans - Part Deux
Date: Apr 28, 2009
That's a common problem with Cherokee's. Most people will install them with the slot point towards the window, but it is really supposed to be pointed away from the window. Of course, on the Cherokee the defroster was heated air as oppose to what most folks are just using ambient air from under the console which the temperatures are elevated do to the avionics. I've thought about using the Cherokee approach, but I suspect that it would be way too hot to use heated air. I'm not sure that the slots do anything better than just the standard computer fan that most folks use. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux Hi Having given some thought to the defrost fans, I am wondering if a slot would be more effective. Cars have a long strip that goes across the length of the windscreen that allows warm air to pass along all sections on the windscreen. Would this arrangement be better than having a couple of hot spots on the dash? I am not sure how to do this but I am wondering about the basic idea only. Then again, a couple of fans may move so much air that this might be moot. My Cherokee has a couple of 3" slots that allow warm air to hit the windscreen. The "blast" of hot air has caused a slight distortion in the windscreen - something that may be worth considering as well. Cheers Les #40643 - some assembly required ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dsyvert(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 28, 2009
Subject: Sealing Cabin Top to Fuselage
Gang, I am getting ready to rivet the cabin top to the fuselage. The plans say to use pro-seal on the rear portion where it meets the upper skin, but makes no mention of any place else. Are other builders also sealing the cabin where it meets the upper fuselage? This is where the pop rivets go. If so what sealant are you using? It seems that there is a small joggle gap that I would probably fill later with epoxy anyway. Thanks Dave Syvertson 40625 Finishing kit ordered **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! ilExcScore428NO62) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Defrost fans - Part Deux
Date: Apr 28, 2009
Bob I will have a Subie under the hood so I will have hot air available. At least where I fly, a fan moving ambient air would only be moving cold air, at least until the cabin heat kicked in. Even in my Cherokee it takes a while for the defroster to have an effect. Those flying in colder climates might find the "fan" option to be a disappointment. I have flown in very cold wx where it was difficult for the defroster to keep up. I am uncertain how a fan only option would have fared. Cheers Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: April-28-09 5:46 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux That's a common problem with Cherokee's. Most people will install them with the slot point towards the window, but it is really supposed to be pointed away from the window. Of course, on the Cherokee the defroster was heated air as oppose to what most folks are just using ambient air from under the console which the temperatures are elevated do to the avionics. I've thought about using the Cherokee approach, but I suspect that it would be way too hot to use heated air. I'm not sure that the slots do anything better than just the standard computer fan that most folks use. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux Hi Having given some thought to the defrost fans, I am wondering if a slot would be more effective. Cars have a long strip that goes across the length of the windscreen that allows warm air to pass along all sections on the windscreen. Would this arrangement be better than having a couple of hot spots on the dash? I am not sure how to do this but I am wondering about the basic idea only. Then again, a couple of fans may move so much air that this might be moot. My Cherokee has a couple of 3" slots that allow warm air to hit the windscreen. The "blast" of hot air has caused a slight distortion in the windscreen - something that may be worth considering as well. Cheers Les #40643 - some assembly required ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Used 10 nose fork
Date: Apr 28, 2009
I know that some have experienced wear on the nose fork because of the inadequate design of the Van's axle. I need an old fork for other experimental purposes. If you replaced a damaged fork and still have it, please contact me off line. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Defrost fans - Part Deux
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Apr 28, 2009
Even cold "DRY" air defrosts the window in the citation. It actually uses the Air conditioner for the air to pull the moisture out of it (evap fan). It doesn't matter if it is cold or hot, just dry. It is a must if you are flying from a dry to a moisture climate to see when you land. -------- Cust. #40936 A&P, ATP typed CE-525(s), CE-500 RV-10 Wing started N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241795#241795 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2009
Subject: Re: What happened to nerv10.com?
From: William Curtis <wwc4(at)njit.edu>
Don't think so. I was but a wee toddler in the late 1960's.:-) -- William Curtis On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Roger Standley wrote: > Is this the same Bill Curtis that was at Vint Hill Farms in the late > 1960's? > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* William Curtis > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:13 AM > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: What happened to nerv10.com? > > As of last night, Nerv10.com is back on-line! > > http://www.nerv10.com/ > > -- > William Curtis (40237) N237VX > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > >> >> Glad to hear it, as you certainly had gathered a lot of valuable >> information on your site. Thanks for your efforts. >> >> William Curtis wrote: >> >>> Should be back on the air in the next few days. I'm having a time trying >>> to get my domain from a webhosting company that decided to change their >>> monthly fees from $7 per month to $19 per month. I'm transfering it over to >>> a new hosting company but the old hosting company is dragging their feet. >>> William >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rob Kochman >> rv10rob(at)gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> It was redirecting to another site for a while, and now nothing. >>> -Rob >>> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2009
From: linn <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans - Part Deux
Bob Leffler wrote: > > That's a common problem with Cherokee's. And mist aircraft with heated air directed at the windshield. Most people will install them with > the slot point towards the window, but it is really supposed to be pointed > away from the window. Of course, on the Cherokee the defroster was heated > air as oppose to what most folks are just using ambient air from under the > console which the temperatures are elevated do to the avionics. Not much heat from the avionics anymore! > > I've thought about using the Cherokee approach, but I suspect that it would > be way too hot to use heated air. I'm not sure that the slots do anything > better than just the standard computer fan that most folks use. I would agree ..... circulating ambient air with a computer fan is probably all you need. The air over the glareshield area is pretty stagnant and the moving air should be enough to keep the windshield free from condensation. Linn > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:09 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux > > > Hi > > Having given some thought to the defrost fans, I am wondering if a slot > would be more effective. Cars have a long strip that goes across the length > of the windscreen that allows warm air to pass along all sections on the > windscreen. > > Would this arrangement be better than having a couple of hot spots on the > dash? I am not sure how to do this but I am wondering about the basic idea > only. Then again, a couple of fans may move so much air that this might be > moot. > > My Cherokee has a couple of 3" slots that allow warm air to hit the > windscreen. The "blast" of hot air has caused a slight distortion in the > windscreen - something that may be worth considering as well. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 - some assembly required > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sealing Cabin Top to Fuselage
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Apr 28, 2009
I think that the sealing of the rear has something to do with water sheeting across the fuselage and having it leak there in a rainstorm. Why not the lower portion also??????? Who knows. About 1/2 or more of the finished planes do a full seal at the aft of the fuselage with F/G and epoxy. I am not doing the extra seal line. Some of the things in the plans do not always make complete sense to the logical mind. My favorite line is from the always entertaining and acerbic Ken from Vans who says, "It's just an airplane - just build it." -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - FWF end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241817#241817 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Defrost fans - Part Deux
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Apr 28, 2009
You can't beat the cost and ease of installation of one or two inexpensive computer fans (Less than $12) Plus since they are standardized, you can easily replace them if damaged. Fry's electronics even has models with a rheostat for less than $10. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - FWF end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241820#241820 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Defrost fans - Part Deux
Date: Apr 28, 2009
Hmmm Always one to beat a dead horse, I'll ask a different question. When starting on a cold day (say -15c), when the windows are frosted up, will moving ambient air (temp -15c) over the windscreen remove frost. When I start my car in similar circumstances, the defroster puts out warm air .... Inquiring minds need to know.... Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Sent: April-28-09 7:30 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux Bob Leffler wrote: > > That's a common problem with Cherokee's. And mist aircraft with heated air directed at the windshield. Most people will install them with > the slot point towards the window, but it is really supposed to be pointed > away from the window. Of course, on the Cherokee the defroster was heated > air as oppose to what most folks are just using ambient air from under the > console which the temperatures are elevated do to the avionics. Not much heat from the avionics anymore! > > I've thought about using the Cherokee approach, but I suspect that it would > be way too hot to use heated air. I'm not sure that the slots do anything > better than just the standard computer fan that most folks use. I would agree ..... circulating ambient air with a computer fan is probably all you need. The air over the glareshield area is pretty stagnant and the moving air should be enough to keep the windshield free from condensation. Linn ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2009
From: linn <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans - Part Deux
Les Kearney wrote: > > Hmmm > > Always one to beat a dead horse, I'll ask a different question. > > When starting on a cold day (say -15c), when the windows are frosted up, > will moving ambient air (temp -15c) over the windscreen remove frost. If it's dry. Cold air is typically dry, so it will remove the frost from the inside ..... but it may take time. > > When I start my car in similar circumstances, the defroster puts out warm > air .... I think that's true only after the engine warms up! My new truck puts out cold air when the engi9ne is cold ..... and I think it turns on the air conditioner to deliver dryer air ...... but i don't know what it does when the engine warms up. > > Inquiring minds need to know.... > Oh yeah, go ahead and start a food fight!!! Linn > Les ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2009
Subject: Re: Defrost fans - Part Deux
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Folks south of the border rarely fly with cockpit cold enough for frost, only condensation, typically. That is why you are seeing these answers. I'd think you would want some engine heat, and with your water cooled engine you could just use an automotive heater core with some ductwork to get what you want. On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:44 PM, linn wrote: > > Les Kearney wrote: >> >> >> Hmmm >> >> Always one to beat a dead horse, I'll ask a different question. >> >> When starting on a cold day (say -15c), when the windows are frosted up, >> will moving ambient air (temp -15c) over the windscreen remove frost. > > If it's dry. Cold air is typically dry, so it will remove the frost from > the inside ..... but it may take time. > >> >> When I start my car in similar circumstances, the defroster puts out warm >> air .... > > I think that's true only after the engine warms up! My new truck puts out > cold air when the engi9ne is cold ..... and I think it turns on the air > conditioner to deliver dryer air ...... but i don't know what it does when > the engine warms up. >> >> Inquiring minds need to know.... >> > Oh yeah, go ahead and start a food fight!!! > Linn >> >> Les > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Defrost fans - Part Deux
Date: Apr 29, 2009
My comments are based upon feedback from several folks that are already flying in that they only crack the heat vents in even really cold weather because the heat output is more than ample to heat the cabin. My concern would be that it would be too hot to re-direct to the windshield. With a radiator, you may have better regulation of the temperature. Granted in Ohio I haven't had to deal with heavy frost. Ambient air isn't just from avionics. The front heat vent on the tunnel should be providing heat that travels up through the panel, in which the computer fans aid in circulating that warm air upwards towards the windshield. The question then to ask is at what temperature does this approach become ineffective? I don't have any answers or solutions, just more questions..... bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux Bob I will have a Subie under the hood so I will have hot air available. At least where I fly, a fan moving ambient air would only be moving cold air, at least until the cabin heat kicked in. Even in my Cherokee it takes a while for the defroster to have an effect. Those flying in colder climates might find the "fan" option to be a disappointment. I have flown in very cold wx where it was difficult for the defroster to keep up. I am uncertain how a fan only option would have fared. Cheers Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: April-28-09 5:46 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux That's a common problem with Cherokee's. Most people will install them with the slot point towards the window, but it is really supposed to be pointed away from the window. Of course, on the Cherokee the defroster was heated air as oppose to what most folks are just using ambient air from under the console which the temperatures are elevated do to the avionics. I've thought about using the Cherokee approach, but I suspect that it would be way too hot to use heated air. I'm not sure that the slots do anything better than just the standard computer fan that most folks use. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux Hi Having given some thought to the defrost fans, I am wondering if a slot would be more effective. Cars have a long strip that goes across the length of the windscreen that allows warm air to pass along all sections on the windscreen. Would this arrangement be better than having a couple of hot spots on the dash? I am not sure how to do this but I am wondering about the basic idea only. Then again, a couple of fans may move so much air that this might be moot. My Cherokee has a couple of 3" slots that allow warm air to hit the windscreen. The "blast" of hot air has caused a slight distortion in the windscreen - something that may be worth considering as well. Cheers Les #40643 - some assembly required ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans - Part Deux
Date: Apr 29, 2009
Absolutely right. Plenty of heat available under the panel year round. Front heat is enough to burn your foot if you put it on full. All that air goes under the panel. My EIS was easily at 110F when it was 10F outside. Not only do you need a vent for defrost (fan) but you need it to keep avionics cool. It's plenty warm to defrost. I would NOT duct hot air to the vent or it could easily get too hot on the 10. And, I don't live in a hot area. If the front seat people have adequate heat, so will the defrost. On Apr 29, 2009, at 6:19 AM, "Bob Leffler" wrote: > > My comments are based upon feedback from several folks that are > already > flying in that they only crack the heat vents in even really cold > weather > because the heat output is more than ample to heat the cabin. My > concern > would be that it would be too hot to re-direct to the windshield. > With a > radiator, you may have better regulation of the temperature. > > Granted in Ohio I haven't had to deal with heavy frost. > > Ambient air isn't just from avionics. The front heat vent on the > tunnel > should be providing heat that travels up through the panel, in which > the > computer fans aid in circulating that warm air upwards towards the > windshield. The question then to ask is at what temperature does this > approach become ineffective? > > I don't have any answers or solutions, just more questions..... > > bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:22 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux > > > Bob > > I will have a Subie under the hood so I will have hot air available. > At > least where I fly, a fan moving ambient air would only be moving > cold air, > at least until the cabin heat kicked in. Even in my Cherokee it > takes a > while for the defroster to have an effect. Those flying in colder > climates > might find the "fan" option to be a disappointment. > > I have flown in very cold wx where it was difficult for the > defroster to > keep up. I am uncertain how a fan only option would have fared. > > Cheers > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler > Sent: April-28-09 5:46 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux > > > That's a common problem with Cherokee's. Most people will install > them with > the slot point towards the window, but it is really supposed to be > pointed > away from the window. Of course, on the Cherokee the defroster was > heated > air as oppose to what most folks are just using ambient air from > under the > console which the temperatures are elevated do to the avionics. > > I've thought about using the Cherokee approach, but I suspect that > it would > be way too hot to use heated air. I'm not sure that the slots do > anything > better than just the standard computer fan that most folks use. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:09 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux > > > Hi > > Having given some thought to the defrost fans, I am wondering if a > slot > would be more effective. Cars have a long strip that goes across the > length > of the windscreen that allows warm air to pass along all sections on > the > windscreen. > > Would this arrangement be better than having a couple of hot spots > on the > dash? I am not sure how to do this but I am wondering about the > basic idea > only. Then again, a couple of fans may move so much air that this > might be > moot. > > My Cherokee has a couple of 3" slots that allow warm air to hit the > windscreen. The "blast" of hot air has caused a slight distortion in > the > windscreen - something that may be worth considering as well. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 - some assembly required > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2009
From: linn <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Defrost fans - Part Deux
Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Folks south of the border rarely fly with cockpit cold enough for > frost, only condensation, typically. That's true ...... but some of us down south have experience up nawth. That is why you are seeing these > answers. I'd think you would want some engine heat, and with your > water cooled engine you could just use an automotive heater core with > some ductwork to get what you want. Even down south we have a few cold days ..... usually on weekends when we're flying for food, and we use the defrosters to keep the3 windshield clear of that hot moist air that just sat down. The point I was making was that the place on the windshield where the heated air hits will distort over time. My Grumman, which has not spent a whole lot of time out of Florida, has that distortion. The problem is that you're trying to heat the rest of the airplane with the hottest air you can get .... and that same heat is bouncing off the windshield. Maybe having a mixer with cooler air would work if you go with the heater core method. Melting frost on the outside of the windshield is problematic ..... and a spray bottle with some de-ice fluid would be better. I don't know, never tried it. Just a thought. Linn > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:44 PM, linn wrote: >> >> Les Kearney wrote: >>> >>> Hmmm >>> >>> Always one to beat a dead horse, I'll ask a different question. >>> >>> When starting on a cold day (say -15c), when the windows are frosted up, >>> will moving ambient air (temp -15c) over the windscreen remove frost. >> If it's dry. Cold air is typically dry, so it will remove the frost from >> the inside ..... but it may take time. >> >>> When I start my car in similar circumstances, the defroster puts out warm >>> air .... >> I think that's true only after the engine warms up! My new truck puts out >> cold air when the engi9ne is cold ..... and I think it turns on the air >> conditioner to deliver dryer air ...... but i don't know what it does when >> the engine warms up. >>> Inquiring minds need to know.... >>> >> Oh yeah, go ahead and start a food fight!!! >> Linn >>> Les >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Defrost fans - Part Deux
Date: Apr 29, 2009
Hi Kelly I do have a heat exchanger, driven off the water system, that provides heat. I just couldn't see how moving cold air on the windscreen would remove the kind of frost (not condensation) that I see up here north of the 49th. When I mentioned this discussion to Joan, my wife, she just laughed and suggested that people need to come up here and see what real frost is like. Cheers Les PS: How is your -10 coming along? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: April-28-09 10:59 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux Folks south of the border rarely fly with cockpit cold enough for frost, only condensation, typically. That is why you are seeing these answers. I'd think you would want some engine heat, and with your water cooled engine you could just use an automotive heater core with some ductwork to get what you want. On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:44 PM, linn wrote: > > Les Kearney wrote: >> >> >> Hmmm >> >> Always one to beat a dead horse, I'll ask a different question. >> >> When starting on a cold day (say -15c), when the windows are frosted up, >> will moving ambient air (temp -15c) over the windscreen remove frost. > > If it's dry. Cold air is typically dry, so it will remove the frost from > the inside ..... but it may take time. > >> >> When I start my car in similar circumstances, the defroster puts out warm >> air .... > > I think that's true only after the engine warms up! My new truck puts out > cold air when the engi9ne is cold ..... and I think it turns on the air > conditioner to deliver dryer air ...... but i don't know what it does when > the engine warms up. >> >> Inquiring minds need to know.... >> > Oh yeah, go ahead and start a food fight!!! > Linn >> >> Les > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dsyvert(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 29, 2009
Subject: Engine purchase considerations
Gang, My finishing kit should be arriving in a couple weeks, so I'm starting to think abut the engine. With Van's Sun-N-Fun special and Lycoming's announced price increase, it seems like now might be the time to purchase the engine and prop. Vans (bundled) Vans Sun-N-Fun After 5/15 Engine $36,150 $39,550 Prop 6,835 6,835 (two blade blended) Shipping 500 (assume $500) Other? ?? Total $42,985 $ 46,885 Delta ~$4,000 I do not want high compression engine, so no value added by some other shops. The three things I've heard others comment on about Lycoming shops such as Barrett and AeroSport are: 1) Longer warranty 2) Better customer service 3) More attention to balancing, etc. I'm not considering an overhauled engine, but maybe I should consider it. My thoughts on overhauled are: 1) The price savings maybe not be large (I'm thinking 10-25% of a certified), so with the Van's discounts it does not seem like it would be worth it. If I was saving $15,000 then it would be a different matter. 2) Re-sale vale for the cost of an RV-10 ~$150k, why save a few thousand dollars, that may reduce the resale value more. 3) Have not brought up with the better half, but I'm sure she would say new rather than used (even if zero timed) I'm not looking for a yes do it or don't do it. I looking for some comments, considerations and thoughts. Is anyone else thinking the same / different? Thanks Dave Syvertson 40625 Finishing Kit Ordered **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Apr 29, 2009
Subject: Defrost fans - Part Deux
I think the more important point is that if you have frost on the windshield, you probably have it elsewhere on the aircraft which legally (here in the US at least) has to be removed before flight so why wouldn't you remove it from the windscreen at the same time? You are basically correct though, cold air won't remove the frost from outside the window but any air warming the windscreen above 32F will eventually clear an area on it. As previously stated, cold, dry air will remove moisture from the inside the windscreen. I'm also willing to bet that adequate heat from the avionics, and off the heat muff, in a standard RV can be generated as fast as what a liquid cooled engine can generate in cold climates from a cold start ( the time you most likely would need to get rid of frost). Possibly even quicker given the time it takes to warm up the engine, coolant, and produce noticeable output from the heater core. My $0.02 Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux Hi Kelly I do have a heat exchanger, driven off the water system, that provides heat. I just couldn't see how moving cold air on the windscreen would remove the kind of frost (not condensation) that I see up here north of the 49th. When I mentioned this discussion to Joan, my wife, she just laughed and suggested that people need to come up here and see what real frost is like. Cheers Les PS: How is your -10 coming along? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: April-28-09 10:59 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Defrost fans - Part Deux Folks south of the border rarely fly with cockpit cold enough for frost, only condensation, typically. That is why you are seeing these answers. I'd think you would want some engine heat, and with your water cooled engine you could just use an automotive heater core with some ductwork to get what you want. On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:44 PM, linn wrote: > > Les Kearney wrote: >> >> >> Hmmm >> >> Always one to beat a dead horse, I'll ask a different question. >> >> When starting on a cold day (say -15c), when the windows are frosted up, >> will moving ambient air (temp -15c) over the windscreen remove frost. > > If it's dry. Cold air is typically dry, so it will remove the frost from > the inside ..... but it may take time. > >> >> When I start my car in similar circumstances, the defroster puts out warm >> air .... > > I think that's true only after the engine warms up! My new truck puts out > cold air when the engi9ne is cold ..... and I think it turns on the air > conditioner to deliver dryer air ...... but i don't know what it does when > the engine warms up. >> >> Inquiring minds need to know.... >> > Oh yeah, go ahead and start a food fight!!! > Linn >> >> Les > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2009
Subject: Re: Engine purchase considerations
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Other considerations: You are stuck with Lycoming choice of accessories, e.g. Slick mags, Skytech starter, Precision RSA injection, stock induction through oil sump. Barrett can get you cold air induction and your choice of fuel injection, starter, etc. Perhaps with the savings you can swap for whatever accessories you want. You are also stuck with two bladed prop, unless you want to burn your savings with 3 bladed composite prop from Vans, Hartzell or MT. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:31 PM, wrote: > Gang, > > My finishing kit should be arriving in a couple weeks, so I'm starting > to think abut the engine. With Van's Sun-N-Fun special and Lycoming's > announced price increase, it seems like now might be the time to purchase > the engine and prop. > > Vans(bundled)Vans > Sun-N-FunAfter 5/15 > > Engine$36,150$39,550 > Prop 6,8356,835(two blade blended) > Shipping 500 (assume $500) > Other??? > Total$42,985$46,885 Delta ~$4,000 > > > I do not want high compression engine, so no value added by some other > shops. > > The three things I've heard others comment onaboutLycoming shops such > as Barrett and AeroSportare: > 1) Longer warranty > 2) Better customer service > 3) More attention to balancing, etc. > > > I'm not considering an overhauled engine, but maybe I should consider > it. My thoughts on overhauled are: > 1) The price savings maybe not be large (I'm thinking 10-25% of a > certified), so with the Van's discounts it does not seem like it would be > worth it. If I was saving $15,000 then it would be a different matter. > 2) Re-sale vale for the cost of an RV-10 ~$150k, why save a few > thousand dollars, that may reduce the resale value more. > 3) Have not brought up with the better half, but I'm sure she would > say new rather than used (even if zero timed) > > I'm not looking for a yes do it or don't do it. I looking for some > comments,considerations and thoughts. Is anyone else thinking the same / > different? > > Thanks > Dave Syvertson > 40625 > Finishing Kit Ordered > > > ________________________________ > Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Apr 29, 2009
Subject: Engine purchase considerations
Bite your tongue on that 150k comment! :) You have the right idea alrea dy though, look at what you want and what you get from each "deal" and make sure you are comparing Apples to Apples. With Van's offer you get a grea t price but it's a stock crate engine from Lycoming. If you want something that has tighter tolerances and other goodies like balancing, porting, fue l system upgrade, ignition upgrade, cold air, etc you will have to talk to one of the authorized building outfits. I went with Barrett for their repu tation and personal attention to things. Great people, great engine, and I wouldn't change a thing. Aerosport has a great reputation but I know one builder that had some "issues" with a rebuilt from them. They ultimately took care of it by getting them to go with a new X-540 but gave Aerosport t hem full credit. I also rather give my business to small businesses in the US, especially in this economy, but that's just my preference. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dsyvert(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: Engine purchase considerations Gang, My finishing kit should be arriving in a couple weeks, so I'm starting to think abut the engine. With Van's Sun-N-Fun special and Lycoming's annou nced price increase, it seems like now might be the time to purchase the en gine and prop. Vans (bundled) Vans Sun-N-Fun After 5/15 Engine $36,150 $39,550 Prop 6,835 6,835 (two blade blended) Shipping 500 (assume $500) Other? ?? Total $42,985 $ 46,885 Delta ~$4,000 I do not want high compression engine, so no value added by some other shops. The three things I've heard others comment on about Lycoming shops such as Barrett and AeroSport are: 1) Longer warranty 2) Better customer service 3) More attention to balancing, etc. I'm not considering an overhauled engine, but maybe I should consider i t. My thoughts on overhauled are: 1) The price savings maybe not be large (I'm thinking 10-25% of a certified), so with the Van's discounts it does not seem like it would be w orth it. If I was saving $15,000 then it would be a different matter. 2) Re-sale vale for the cost of an RV-10 ~$150k, why save a few th ousand dollars, that may reduce the resale value more. 3) Have not brought up with the better half, but I'm sure she woul d say new rather than used (even if zero timed) I'm not looking for a yes do it or don't do it. I looking for some comm ents, considerations and thoughts. Is anyone else thinking the same / diffe rent? Thanks Dave Syvertson 40625 Finishing Kit Ordered ________________________________ /100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net% 2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Engine purchase considerations
Date: Apr 29, 2009
Dave, I'm just a few months behind you in the build and have similar questions floating through my head. I've also got the added complexity of finding employment before I can order an engine. That still doesn't prevent me from being well prepared when the time comes. I believe going with a new engine is probably the best value, especially when you consider resale. Most of the folks that went with a rebuild ended up spending 80-90% of new and had a slew of headaches and/or issues that wouldn't have happened with a new engine. Clearly the Van's OEM engine is the least expensive way to get a new engine. I think there is also value in getting an engine from Barrett, AeroSport, Mattituck, or Lycoming Thunderbolt. I don't question the value these folks add. These other shops can also run your engine on their test stands longer. I know one shop that has given out their personal cell phone numbers. You can't beat that for customer service. Jeff Schans has stated that Lycoming tech reps will answer any questions that come to them, even on OEM engines. However, I have no firsthand knowledge of this at the moment. My situation is that the longer I'm unemployed, the less I'll have in my budget for an engine and may have to go with the low cost solution as oppose the best value solution (I'm leaning towards BPE). I'm clearly not in a situation to take advantage of this deal at the moment. I'm hoping that there will be something similar at OSH, although it will most likely cost more. The other variable you haven't mentioned is getting a certified engine from Van's. That would cut your phase I time down to 25 hours if you also got a certified prop combination. Although I don't think that's worth the extra expense. bob From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dsyvert(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: Engine purchase considerations Gang, My finishing kit should be arriving in a couple weeks, so I'm starting to think abut the engine. With Van's Sun-N-Fun special and Lycoming's announced price increase, it seems like now might be the time to purchase the engine and prop. Vans (bundled) Vans Sun-N-Fun After 5/15 Engine $36,150 $39,550 Prop 6,835 6,835 (two blade blended) Shipping 500 (assume $500) Other? ?? Total $42,985 $ 46,885 Delta ~$4,000 I do not want high compression engine, so no value added by some other shops. The three things I've heard others comment on about Lycoming shops such as Barrett and AeroSport are: 1) Longer warranty 2) Better customer service 3) More attention to balancing, etc. I'm not considering an overhauled engine, but maybe I should consider it. My thoughts on overhauled are: 1) The price savings maybe not be large (I'm thinking 10-25% of a certified), so with the Van's discounts it does not seem like it would be worth it. If I was saving $15,000 then it would be a different matter. 2) Re-sale vale for the cost of an RV-10 ~$150k, why save a few thousand dollars, that may reduce the resale value more. 3) Have not brought up with the better half, but I'm sure she would say new rather than used (even if zero timed) I'm not looking for a yes do it or don't do it. I looking for some comments, considerations and thoughts. Is anyone else thinking the same / different? Thanks Dave Syvertson 40625 Finishing Kit Ordered _____ Big p:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv> savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Engine purchase considerations
Date: Apr 29, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Randy Debauw went with a reconditioned Prop and a rebuilt engine. He retained his Vans "One Original Engine and One Original Prop" for a day down the road. As prices go through the roof, prudence grabs many builder's attention. Tornado season is about to provide a fresh crop of engines to have rebuilt. After flying Transcontinental to SNF, I am more convinced than ever that Barrett's dyno attention and Cold Air induction are features of value for me. The mating of a Forsling exhaust is icing on the cake. I do not know of other rebuilders that have offered the improved exhaust system to couple with the induction improvements. Time should show a whole stable of satisfied Barrett customers. I know that the Aerosport crowd is just as dedicated that their decision was right for their requirements and their budget. Mine are a bit higher and the pain is going to be muffled by the pleasure of believing the RV-10 was the right choice. Time has shown the features of the AFS product line helps dampen some of the purchases. John 600 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine purchase considerations Dave, I'm just a few months behind you in the build and have similar questions floating through my head. I've also got the added complexity of finding employment before I can order an engine. That still doesn't prevent me from being well prepared when the time comes. I believe going with a new engine is probably the best value, especially when you consider resale. Most of the folks that went with a rebuild ended up spending 80-90% of new and had a slew of headaches and/or issues that wouldn't have happened with a new engine. Clearly the Van's OEM engine is the least expensive way to get a new engine. I think there is also value in getting an engine from Barrett, AeroSport, Mattituck, or Lycoming Thunderbolt. I don't question the value these folks add. These other shops can also run your engine on their test stands longer. I know one shop that has given out their personal cell phone numbers. You can't beat that for customer service. Jeff Schans has stated that Lycoming tech reps will answer any questions that come to them, even on OEM engines. However, I have no firsthand knowledge of this at the moment. My situation is that the longer I'm unemployed, the less I'll have in my budget for an engine and may have to go with the low cost solution as oppose the best value solution (I'm leaning towards BPE). I'm clearly not in a situation to take advantage of this deal at the moment. I'm hoping that there will be something similar at OSH, although it will most likely cost more. The other variable you haven't mentioned is getting a certified engine from Van's. That would cut your phase I time down to 25 hours if you also got a certified prop combination. Although I don't think that's worth the extra expense. bob From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dsyvert(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: Engine purchase considerations Gang, My finishing kit should be arriving in a couple weeks, so I'm starting to think abut the engine. With Van's Sun-N-Fun special and Lycoming's announced price increase, it seems like now might be the time to purchase the engine and prop. Vans (bundled) Vans Sun-N-Fun After 5/15 Engine $36,150 $39,550 Prop 6,835 6,835 (two blade blended) Shipping 500 (assume $500) Other? ?? Total $42,985 $ 46,885 Delta ~$4,000 I do not want high compression engine, so no value added by some other shops. The three things I've heard others comment on about Lycoming shops such as Barrett and AeroSport are: 1) Longer warranty 2) Better customer service 3) More attention to balancing, etc. I'm not considering an overhauled engine, but maybe I should consider it. My thoughts on overhauled are: 1) The price savings maybe not be large (I'm thinking 10-25% of a certified), so with the Van's discounts it does not seem like it would be worth it. If I was saving $15,000 then it would be a different matter. 2) Re-sale vale for the cost of an RV-10 ~$150k, why save a few thousand dollars, that may reduce the resale value more. 3) Have not brought up with the better half, but I'm sure she would say new rather than used (even if zero timed) I'm not looking for a yes do it or don't do it. I looking for some comments, considerations and thoughts. Is anyone else thinking the same / different? Thanks Dave Syvertson 40625 Finishing Kit Ordered ________________________________ Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: fiberglass options
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Apr 29, 2009
Posted this on the VAF site as well but want to catch some more of the group. For the finish kit has anyone gone with after market fiberglass? I am using Sam James cowl and plenum, but what about wheel pants and fairings? I have checked out Fairings etc, just trying to see what else is out there with better quality than the Vans fiberglass I have received in the previous kits. Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242000#242000 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 30, 2009
From: davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Engine purchase considerations
There are alternatives to buying new.=C2- I purchased my=C2-2001 =C2- IO-540 V4A5 from Wentworth for $13,500.=C2- 461 total hours since new and only a little over 100 hours since factory serviced for the crankshaft AD. =C2- That included new bearings, rings, ect.=C2- The case inspection wa s under $450 including shipping.=C2- The crank, rods, and crank gear=C2 -inspection=C2-with the flange straightening=C2-was $950 with shippin g.=C2- The gasket/seal set and a new set of rod bearings=C2- is going t o run me about=C2-$500.=C2- I just freshened up the cylinders and valve s.=C2- I will reuse the main bearings,,,,they have only 100 hours on them .=C2- Bottom line is my engine will be practically new for about a $16,00 0 investment with the accessories.=C2- Thats less than half of Vans price .=C2- There are deals out there for builders on a budget such as myself t hat are willing to go this route.=C2- Granted I would have preferred=C2 -to write a check to vans for a brand new set-up, but my bank account wou ld not allow that. :)=C2- =C2-=C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: Dsyvert(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:31:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RV10-List: Engine purchase considerations Gang, =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-My finishing kit should be arriving in a couple wee ks, so I'm starting to think abut the engine. With Van's Sun-N-Fun special and Lycoming's announced price increase, it seems like now might be the tim e to purchase the engine and prop.=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-Vans=C2-(bundled)=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-Vans =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-Sun-N-Fun=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-After 5/15=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-Engine=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -$36,150=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-$39,550 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-Prop=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-6,835=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-6,835=C2-=C2 -(two blade blended) =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-Shipping=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- 500 (assume $500) =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-Other?=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-?? =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Total=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-$42,985=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-$=C2-46,885=C2- Delta ~$4,000 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-I do not want high compression engine, so no value added by some other shops. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-The three things I've heard others comment on=C2- about=C2-Lycoming shops such as Barrett and AeroSport=C2-are: =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-1) =C2-Longer warranty =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-2) =C2-Better customer se rvice =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-3) =C2-More attention to balancing, etc. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-I'm not considering an overhauled engine, but maybe I should consider it. My thoughts on overhauled are: =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-1)=C2- The price savings maybe not be large (I'm thinking 10-25% of a certified), so with the Van's discounts it does not seem like it would be worth it. If I was saving $15,0 00 then it would be a different matter. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-2)=C2- Re-sale vale for t he cost of an RV-10 ~$150k, why save a few thousand dollars, that may reduc e the resale value more. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-3)=C2- Have not brought u p with the better half, but I'm sure she would say new rather than used (ev en if zero timed) =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-I'm not looking for a yes do it or don't do it. I l ooking for some comments,=C2-considerations and thoughts. Is anyone else thinking the same / different? Thanks Dave Syvertson 40625 Finishing Kit Ordered =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- == ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Engine purchase considerations
Date: Apr 29, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
Dave, I have to second John's comments on the BPE/Cold Induction/Forsling combination. My power plant is awesome. The BPE people were fantastic to work with. I also have an 0-360 by Aerosport what has run flawlessly. Like Michael I like keeping the $ in the US if one can and with the exchange rate (at the time I made my purchase) made the BPE less expensive than the Aerosport when considering custom paint & cold induction. I never really took a hard look at the few other well regarded builders but I do remember that in my configuration (wanting a premium Cold Induction unit) BPE was at or below all the other builders at the time. One comforting option BPE provided was extra bench time to break in the engine. While I did pay for that time it gave me peace of mind knowing that the engine was exercised more than most by professionals. I can't say enough good things about BPE and their customer service. They even personally delivered my engine as we were on one of their employees routes. Cost for hand delivery $0.00. As stated before make sure you are comparing Fuji apples to Fuji apples. http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/engine.htm Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dsyvert(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: Engine purchase considerations Gang, My finishing kit should be arriving in a couple weeks, so I'm starting to think abut the engine. With Van's Sun-N-Fun special and Lycoming's announced price increase, it seems like now might be the time to purchase the engine and prop. Vans (bundled) Vans Sun-N-Fun After 5/15 Engine $36,150 $39,550 Prop 6,835 6,835 (two blade blended) Shipping 500 (assume $500) Other? ?? Total $42,985 $ 46,885 Delta ~$4,000 I do not want high compression engine, so no value added by some other shops. The three things I've heard others comment on about Lycoming shops such as Barrett and AeroSport are: 1) Longer warranty 2) Better customer service 3) More attention to balancing, etc. I'm not considering an overhauled engine, but maybe I should consider it. My thoughts on overhauled are: 1) The price savings maybe not be large (I'm thinking 10-25% of a certified), so with the Van's discounts it does not seem like it would be worth it. If I was saving $15,000 then it would be a different matter. 2) Re-sale vale for the cost of an RV-10 ~$150k, why save a few thousand dollars, that may reduce the resale value more. 3) Have not brought up with the better half, but I'm sure she would say new rather than used (even if zero timed) I'm not looking for a yes do it or don't do it. I looking for some comments, considerations and thoughts. Is anyone else thinking the same / different? Thanks Dave Syvertson 40625 Finishing Kit Ordered ________________________________ Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! =http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/29/09 18:03:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Engine purchase considerations
Date: Apr 29, 2009
I did somewhat similar Dave, I bought an O-540 AD5 from an Aztec, with 60 hours SMOH. I had planned to buy a run out core and overhaul it myself, but this engine had everything done that I would have done - crankshaft and camshaft overhauled by Aircraft Specialties, crankcase overhauled by Divco, new Millenium cylinders and pistons, new Slick mags. All logs intact. Total price, $13,000. The deals are there, you've just got to look for them. My goal is to build a good solid IFR capable RV-10 for under $100,000. Jack Phillips #40610 Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:48 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine purchase considerations There are alternatives to buying new. I purchased my 2001 IO-540 V4A5 from Wentworth for $13,500. 461 total hours since new and only a little over 100 hours since factory serviced for the crankshaft AD. That included new bearings, rings, ect. The case inspection was under $450 including shipping. The crank, rods, and crank gear inspection with the flange straightening was $950 with shipping. The gasket/seal set and a new set of rod bearings is going to run me about $500. I just freshened up the cylinders and valves. I will reuse the main bearings,,,,they have only 100 hours on them. Bottom line is my engine will be practically new for about a $16,000 investment with the accessories. Thats less than half of Vans price. There are deals out there for builders on a budget such as myself that are willing to go this route. Granted I would have preferred to write a check to vans for a brand new set-up, but my bank account would not allow that. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dsyvert(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:31:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RV10-List: Engine purchase considerations Gang, My finishing kit should be arriving in a couple weeks, so I'm starting to think abut the engine. With Van's Sun-N-Fun special and Lycoming's announced price increase, it seems like now might be the time to purchase the engine and prop. Vans (bundled) Vans Sun-N-Fun After 5/15 Engine $36,150 $39,550 Prop 6,835 6,835 (two blade blended) Shipping 500 (assume $500) Other? ?? Total $42,985 $ 46,885 Delta ~$4,000 I do not want high compression engine, so no value added by some other shops. The three things I've heard others comment on about Lycoming shops such as Barrett and AeroSport are: 1) Longer warranty 2) Better customer service 3) More attention to balancing, etc. I'm not considering an overhauled engine, but maybe I should consider it. My thoughts on overhauled are: 1) The price savings maybe not be large (I'm thinking 10-25% of a certified), so with the Van's discounts it does not seem like it would be worth it. If I was saving $15,000 then it would be a different matter. 2) Re-sale vale for the cost of an RV-10 ~$150k, why save a few thousand dollars, that may reduce the resale value more. 3) Have not brought up with the better half, but I'm sure she would say new rather than used (even if zero timed) I'm not looking for a yes do it or don't do it. I looking for some comments, considerations and thoughts. Is anyone else thinking the same / different? Thanks Dave Syvertson 40625 Finishing Kit Ordered _____ l?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv" target=_blank>Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "richard sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Engine purchase considerations
Date: Apr 29, 2009
Another of the five authorized Lycoming kit engine builders is G & N Aircraft, Griffith, IN. www.gnaircraft.com They will custom build and also dyno test the finished product. I have had two engines built there and am a satisfied customer. Good folks. Dick Sipp RV10 N110DV ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Leffler To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:13 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine purchase considerations Dave, I'm just a few months behind you in the build and have similar questions floating through my head. I've also got the added complexity of finding employment before I can order an engine. That still doesn't prevent me from being well prepared when the time comes. I believe going with a new engine is probably the best value, especially when you consider resale. Most of the folks that went with a rebuild ended up spending 80-90% of new and had a slew of headaches and/or issues that wouldn't have happened with a new engine. Clearly the Van's OEM engine is the least expensive way to get a new engine. I think there is also value in getting an engine from Barrett, AeroSport, Mattituck, or Lycoming Thunderbolt. I don't question the value these folks add. These other shops can also run your engine on their test stands longer. I know one shop that has given out their personal cell phone numbers. You can't beat that for customer service. Jeff Schans has stated that Lycoming tech reps will answer any questions that come to them, even on OEM engines. However, I have no firsthand knowledge of this at the moment. My situation is that the longer I'm unemployed, the less I'll have in my budget for an engine and may have to go with the low cost solution as oppose the best value solution (I'm leaning towards BPE). I'm clearly not in a situation to take advantage of this deal at the moment. I'm hoping that there will be something similar at OSH, although it will most likely cost more. The other variable you haven't mentioned is getting a certified engine from Van's. That would cut your phase I time down to 25 hours if you also got a certified prop combination. Although I don't think that's worth the extra expense. bob From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dsyvert(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:31 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Engine purchase considerations Gang, My finishing kit should be arriving in a couple weeks, so I'm starting to think abut the engine. With Van's Sun-N-Fun special and Lycoming's announced price increase, it seems like now might be the time to purchase the engine and prop. Vans (bundled) Vans Sun-N-Fun After 5/15 Engine $36,150 $39,550 Prop 6,835 6,835 (two blade blended) Shipping 500 (assume $500) Other? ?? Total $42,985 $ 46,885 Delta ~$4,000 I do not want high compression engine, so no value added by some other shops. The three things I've heard others comment on about Lycoming shops such as Barrett and AeroSport are: 1) Longer warranty 2) Better customer service 3) More attention to balancing, etc. I'm not considering an overhauled engine, but maybe I should consider it. My thoughts on overhauled are: 1) The price savings maybe not be large (I'm thinking 10-25% of a certified), so with the Van's discounts it does not seem like it would be worth it. If I was saving $15,000 then it would be a different matter. 2) Re-sale vale for the cost of an RV-10 ~$150k, why save a few thousand dollars, that may reduce the resale value more. 3) Have not brought up with the better half, but I'm sure she would say new rather than used (even if zero timed) I'm not looking for a yes do it or don't do it. I looking for some comments, considerations and thoughts. Is anyone else thinking the same / different? Thanks Dave Syvertson 40625 Finishing Kit Ordered ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Engine purchase considerations
Date: May 29, 2009
I just ordered XIO-540 and 2 blade Hartzell from Van's. I wanted a new engine just because I like new things with full warranty and no baggage. No unknowns in the equation. I talked to a guy who flies a Pitts with the same stock engine and he said it performs great. I decided on the Hartzell 2 blade prop for simplicity and easier maintenance and better top speed as well as less cost. I have heard that cylinder problems may occur in engines which have been ported and polished. I know there are many opinions on this, but it helped in my rationalization. "One topic that often comes up when talking about cylinders is "flow matching" or "porting and polishing". We were part of this movement years ago, and after monitoring the trends and test data gathered by third parties we have stopped this process. The results yielded a slight power/performance increase, however it also yielded a dramatic reduction in the cylinder life due to stress cracks which were introduced, unavoidably, in the porting and polishing process. My goal is to get the engine the last to TBO without hassle, and flow matching was something that inhibited the goal with minimal benefit." _________________ Kind Regards, Eric Barker Western Skyways http://www.westernskyways.com Engine shop engines have their advantages, but I just couldn't justify the extra cost for my mission. Good luck. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: Dsyvert(at)aol.com To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: Engine purchase considerations Gang, My finishing kit should be arriving in a couple weeks, so I'm starting to think abut the engine. With Van's Sun-N-Fun special and Lycoming's announced price increase, it seems like now might be the time to purchase the engine and prop. Vans (bundled) Vans Sun-N-Fun After 5/15 Engine $36,150 $39,550 Prop 6,835 6,835 (two blade blended) Shipping 500 (assume $500) Other? ?? Total $42,985 $ 46,885 Delta ~$4,000 I do not want high compression engine, so no value added by some other shops. The three things I've heard others comment on about Lycoming shops such as Barrett and AeroSport are: 1) Longer warranty 2) Better customer service 3) More attention to balancing, etc. I'm not considering an overhauled engine, but maybe I should consider it. My thoughts on overhauled are: 1) The price savings maybe not be large (I'm thinking 10-25% of a certified), so with the Van's discounts it does not seem like it would be worth it. If I was saving $15,000 then it would be a different matter. 2) Re-sale vale for the cost of an RV-10 ~$150k, why save a few thousand dollars, that may reduce the resale value more. 3) Have not brought up with the better half, but I'm sure she would say new rather than used (even if zero timed) I'm not looking for a yes do it or don't do it. I looking for some comments, considerations and thoughts. Is anyone else thinking the same / different? Thanks Dave Syvertson 40625 Finishing Kit Ordered ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: final door trim
Date: May 29, 2009
Does anyone have a good method for final trimming of the doors to the cabin opening? I will just have at it soon, and just by gosh and by golly my way through it but I am hoping there is a better way. Plans just say "Trim to fit." I searched the archives and found no joy. Thanks. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Saylor" <Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com>
Subject: fiberglass options
Date: Apr 29, 2009
The fiberglass in the -10 kits is about as good as it gets. Much better than previous kits. Most things install with very little adjustment necessary. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: fiberglass options Posted this on the VAF site as well but want to catch some more of the group. For the finish kit has anyone gone with after market fiberglass? I am using Sam James cowl and plenum, but what about wheel pants and fairings? I have checked out Fairings etc, just trying to see what else is out there with better quality than the Vans fiberglass I have received in the previous kits. Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242000#242000 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: final door trim
Dave, This is a loaded question, And the andwer isn't a short one.I'm sure there are threads in the Archive. But if you want a good fit, after you 'trim to fit' so that the doors fit within the cabin cover opening, you will have to build up the 'gap' that results from getting them to fit. In short, I used duct tape to tape off either the door or the cabin cover (release agent) closed the door slathered on Flox/micro combination, let cure then sanded flush, Then reversed the process by taping off the other (door/cabin cover) It took me several iterations to get it decent. Here's a link to my door page, there are several entries midway that deal with the 'gap' http://deemsrv10.com/cabinwindowslogindex.html Then with all of that said, when you install you door seal, it will likely change the fit and you'll end up 'tweaking' the fit again. Deems Davis N519PJ 3.2 hours Phase 1 Dave Leikam wrote: > Does anyone have a good method for final trimming of the doors to the > cabin opening? I will just have at it soon, and just by gosh and by > golly my way through it but I am hoping there is a better way. Plans > just say "Trim to fit." I searched the archives and found no joy. > Thanks. > > Dave Leikam > RV-10 #40496 > N89DA (Reserved) > Muskego, WI > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: IAS for Pahse 1 without pants/fairings
What IAS are people seeing during their flyoff without pants/fairings. Today @ 3500' running 25 x 25, I was indicating 134 kts. I know I've got some rigging problems (which I hope are now remedied) and have been dragging the airplane through the sky with a yaw. Just curious as to what I should be looking for once I get her rigged right and flying straight. Deems Davis N519PJ A whooping 3.2 hours and 3 flights ! BTW the RAM air is an INSTANT turbo, pull the valve open and MP pressure jumps 1.9" !!!!!!!!! WOOOOHOOOOO. What a surge!!!!!! I spoke with Rod Bower tonight and he's working on an enhancement and testing with Lycon, and he's confident we can get 3" + boost additional with the BPE cold air and forward facing servo :-) Who needs any stinking turbo !? ...... More to come ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pascal" <pascal(at)rv10builder.net>
Subject: Re: final door trim
Date: Apr 29, 2009
Both Deems and Jim Berry had a method that reviewed last June: search - "RV10-List: Re: 45 degree angle on the door edge" to get you started. I will be interested to hear how Richard created a 1/8 inch rabbet, but in the mean time I can suggest an alternative. If you trim the door edge square so that it sits slightly inside the curved portion of the canopy edge, the door edge can serve as a mold for creating the rabbet. The inner edge of the door should be just tangent to the radius of the canopy edge. Once you have the windows installed, apply 2 layers of release tape(packing tape) to the edge of the doors. You should have all door locking hardware installed and adjusted to final fit. Close the doors and lock them in place. Trowel on a mix of flox/micro to the canopy top so it fills the gap between the door edge and the canopy. After it cures, open the doors and remove the packing tape. You will be left with a rabbet that exactly matches your door edge, and should require very little clean up. Also, I would suggest installing the door windows with the doors mounted on the canopy. I spent many hours slowly fitting the doors and many more after installing the seals. You may be in for a long journey compleing Section 45.. But if done slowly and right it will be well worth the effort. My advice to you is skip the Van's seals and get an aftermarket one. I didn't and it was a lot of trimming after a perfect fit, it's a solid fit now but it came with a costs of hours. Pascal From: Dave Leikam Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: RV10-List: final door trim Does anyone have a good method for final trimming of the doors to the cabin opening? I will just have at it soon, and just by gosh and by golly my way through it but I am hoping there is a better way. Plans just say "Trim to fit." I searched the archives and found no joy. Thanks. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: IAS for Pahse 1 without pants/fairings
Date: Apr 30, 2009
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>
Great to be able to compare notes on this. We have just under 4hrs on the airframe. Fairings and pants were installed for last flight to address any balance issues. Some minor trim reqd for marginally heavy right wing, but a reasonable amount of rudder trim required. With pants, 25x25 gave us 168kts at 1500' Dirty stall speed is 45kts (confirmed) Jon Johanson is out flying as I write this email. He is absolutely stoked with the performance of this aircraft - as am I. Can't wait for my turn . . . Cheers, Ron VH-XRM Phase 1 - 3.9hrs -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Thursday, 30 April 2009 12:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: IAS for Pahse 1 without pants/fairings What IAS are people seeing during their flyoff without pants/fairings. Today @ 3500' running 25 x 25, I was indicating 134 kts. I know I've got some rigging problems (which I hope are now remedied) and have been dragging the airplane through the sky with a yaw. Just curious as to what I should be looking for once I get her rigged right and flying straight. Deems Davis N519PJ A whooping 3.2 hours and 3 flights ! BTW the RAM air is an INSTANT turbo, pull the valve open and MP pressure jumps 1.9" !!!!!!!!! WOOOOHOOOOO. What a surge!!!!!! I spoke with Rod Bower tonight and he's working on an enhancement and testing with Lycon, and he's confident we can get 3" + boost additional with the BPE cold air and forward facing servo :-) Who needs any stinking turbo !? ...... More to come "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fiberglass options
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Apr 29, 2009
Yep, especially the doors :) Sorry, couldn't resist. Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242020#242020 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine purchase considerations
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Apr 29, 2009
I went with an XIO-540 from Barrett. I chose them primarily for their reputation, but after going down there to watch the build up and run in of my engine I am even more impressed. Allen Barrett is absolutely meticulous when assembling an engine. He may be one of the few people more obsessive than myself. Even if you do not want any of the high performance goodies, there are 2 things you get from Barrett that clinched it for me: 1. They balance rotating parts to 1/10th the limits of Lycoming i.e. if Lyc balances a part to 10 grams, they balance to 1 gram. 2. The XIO comes with roller tappets. See the May Aviation Consumer for their take on this. As a bonus, if you are nice Allen might take you out for some of the best BBQ ribs ever. Rhonda is more into raw fish. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242022#242022 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: IAS for Pahse 1 without pants/fairings
Date: Apr 30, 2009
I know when I first flew mine, I was very disappointed in the speed, but when I put on the pants and fairings everything came up to where it should be. I unfortunately do not remember pre pants #s. You will probably see at least a 12K increase though by adding the pants and fairings. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: IAS for Pahse 1 without pants/fairings What IAS are people seeing during their flyoff without pants/fairings. Today @ 3500' running 25 x 25, I was indicating 134 kts. I know I've got some rigging problems (which I hope are now remedied) and have been dragging the airplane through the sky with a yaw. Just curious as to what I should be looking for once I get her rigged right and flying straight. Deems Davis N519PJ A whooping 3.2 hours and 3 flights ! BTW the RAM air is an INSTANT turbo, pull the valve open and MP pressure jumps 1.9" !!!!!!!!! WOOOOHOOOOO. What a surge!!!!!! I spoke with Rod Bower tonight and he's working on an enhancement and testing with Lycon, and he's confident we can get 3" + boost additional with the BPE cold air and forward facing servo :-) Who needs any stinking turbo !? ...... More to come ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: final door trim
Date: Apr 30, 2009
Any tips on how to keep the flox/micro from running everywhere when placed on a vertical surface? Even after making it super super thick it still tend s to sag AFTER I've left it looking good. Thanks=2C Dan From: pascal(at)rv10builder.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: final door trim Date: Wed=2C 29 Apr 2009 20:35:20 -0800 Both Deems and Jim Berry had a method that reviewed last June: search - "RV 10-List: Re: 45 degree angle on the door edge" to get you started. I will be interested to hear how Richard created a 1/8 inch rabbet=2C but i n the mean time I can suggest an alternative. If you trim the door edge squ are so that it sits slightly inside the curved portion of the canopy edge =2C the door edge can serve as a mold for creating the rabbet. The inner ed ge of the door should be just tangent to the radius of the canopy edge. Onc e you have the windows installed=2C apply 2 layers of release tape(packing tape) to the edge of the doors. You should have all door locking hardware i nstalled and adjusted to final fit. Close the doors and lock them in place. Trowel on a mix of flox/micro to the canopy top so it fills the gap betwee n the door edge and the canopy. After it cures=2C open the doors and remove the packing tape. You will be left with a rabbet that exactly matches your door edge=2C and should require very little clean up. Also=2C I would sugg est installing the door windows with the doors mounted on the canopy. I spent many hours slowly fitting the doors and many more after installing the seals. You may be in for a long journey compleing Section 45.. But if d one slowly and right it will be well worth the effort. My advice to you is skip the Van's seals and get an aftermarket one. I didn't and it was a lot of trimming after a perfect fit=2C it's a solid fit now but it came with a costs of hours. Pascal From: Dave Leikam Sent: Friday=2C May 29=2C 2009 6:57 PM Subject: RV10-List: final door trim Does anyone have a good method for final trimming of the doors to the cabin opening? I will just have at it soon=2C and just by gosh and by golly my way through it but I am hoping there is a better way. Plans just say "Trim to fit." I searched the archives and found no joy. Thanks. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego=2C WI title="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV1 0-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE:=85more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 30, 2009
From: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: final door trim
Cabosil is used to thicken the epoxy to prevent running. Add it to your flo x and epoxy mix and make it thick enough to stay put. Rick S. 40185 paint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny Riggs" <jdriggs49(at)msn.com> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:16:27 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim Any tips on how to keep the flox/micro from running everywhere when placed on a vertical surface? Even after making it super super thick it still tend s to sag AFTER I've left it looking good. Thanks, Dan =C2- From: pascal(at)rv10builder.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: final door trim Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:35:20 -0800 Both Deems and Jim Berry had a method that reviewed last June: search - "RV 10-List: Re: 45 degree angle on the door edge" to get you started. I will be interested to hear how Richard created a 1/8 inch rabbet, but in the mean time I can suggest an alternative. If you trim the door edge squar e so that it sits slightly inside the curved portion of the canopy edge, th e door edge can serve as a mold for creating the rabbet. The inner edge of the door should be just tangent to the radius of the canopy edge. Once you have the windows installed, apply 2 layers of release tape(packing tape) to the edge of the doors. You should have all door locking hardware installed and adjusted to final fit. Close the doors and lock them in place. Trowel on a mix of flox/micro to the canopy top so it fills the gap between the do or edge and the canopy. After it cures, open the doors and remove the packi ng tape. You will be left with a rabbet that exactly matches your door edge , and should require very little clean up. Also, I would suggest installing the door windows with the doors mounted on the canopy. I spent many hours slowly fitting the doors and many more after installing the seals. You may be in for a long journey compleing Section 45.. But if d one slowly and right it will be well worth the effort. My advice to you is skip the Van's seals and get an aftermarket one. I didn't and it was a lot of trimming after a perfect fit, it's a solid fit now but it came with a co sts of hours. Pascal From: Dave Leikam Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: RV10-List: final door trim Does anyone have a good method for final trimming of the doors to the cabin opening?=C2- I will just have at it soon, and just by gosh and by golly my way through it but I am hoping there is a better way.=C2- Plans just s ay "Trim to fit."=C2- I searched the archives and found no joy.=C2- Tha nks. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI title="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV1 0-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums. matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com /contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator ?RV10-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution Windows Live=84=A2 Hotmail=C2=AE:more than just e-mail. Check i ============ == ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pascal" <pascal(at)rv10builder.net>
Subject: Re: final door trim
Date: Apr 30, 2009
not thick enough! When I mixed my epoxy the consistency was that it did not move when it was ready. like thick peanut butter. if you grab an area of the mixed epoxy (in the mixer container) and it sags, mix a little balloons in there until it holds. With the small gap of the doors there really should be no sags at all. Pascal From: Danny Riggs Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:16 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim Any tips on how to keep the flox/micro from running everywhere when placed on a vertical surface? Even after making it super super thick it still tends to sag AFTER I've left it looking good. Thanks, Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: pascal(at)rv10builder.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: final door trim Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:35:20 -0800 Both Deems and Jim Berry had a method that reviewed last June: search - "RV10-List: Re: 45 degree angle on the door edge" to get you started. I will be interested to hear how Richard created a 1/8 inch rabbet, but in the mean time I can suggest an alternative. If you trim the door edge square so that it sits slightly inside the curved portion of the canopy edge, the door edge can serve as a mold for creating the rabbet. The inner edge of the door should be just tangent to the radius of the canopy edge. Once you have the windows installed, apply 2 layers of release tape(packing tape) to the edge of the doors. You should have all door locking hardware installed and adjusted to final fit. Close the doors and lock them in place. Trowel on a mix of flox/micro to the canopy top so it fills the gap between the door edge and the canopy. After it cures, open the doors and remove the packing tape. You will be left with a rabbet that exactly matches your door edge, and should require very little clean up. Also, I would suggest installing the door windows with the doors mounted on the canopy. I spent many hours slowly fitting the doors and many more after installing the seals. You may be in for a long journey compleing Section 45.. But if done slowly and right it will be well worth the effort. My advice to you is skip the Van's seals and get an aftermarket one. I didn't and it was a lot of trimming after a perfect fit, it's a solid fit now but it came with a costs of hours. Pascal From: Dave Leikam Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: RV10-List: final door trim Does anyone have a good method for final trimming of the doors to the cabin opening? I will just have at it soon, and just by gosh and by golly my way through it but I am hoping there is a better way. Plans just say "Trim to fit." I searched the archives and found no joy. Thanks. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI title="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE:=85more than just e-mail. Check it out. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob and Karen Brown" <bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com>
Subject: final door trim
Date: Apr 30, 2009
It's not thick enough. Add more micro. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim Any tips on how to keep the flox/micro from running everywhere when placed on a vertical surface? Even after making it super super thick it still tends to sag AFTER I've left it looking good. Thanks, Dan _____ From: pascal(at)rv10builder.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: final door trim Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:35:20 -0800 Both Deems and Jim Berry had a method that reviewed last June: search - "RV10-List: Re: 45 degree angle on the door edge" to get you started. I will be interested to hear how Richard created a 1/8 inch rabbet, but in the mean time I can suggest an alternative. If you trim the door edge square so that it sits slightly inside the curved portion of the canopy edge, the door edge can serve as a mold for creating the rabbet. The inner edge of the door should be just tangent to the radius of the canopy edge. Once you have the windows installed, apply 2 layers of release tape(packing tape) to the edge of the doors. You should have all door locking hardware installed and adjusted to final fit. Close the doors and lock them in place. Trowel on a mix of flox/micro to the canopy top so it fills the gap between the door edge and the canopy. After it cures, open the doors and remove the packing tape. You will be left with a rabbet that exactly matches your door edge, and should require very little clean up. Also, I would suggest installing the door windows with the doors mounted on the canopy. I spent many hours slowly fitting the doors and many more after installing the seals. You may be in for a long journey compleing Section 45.. But if done slowly and right it will be well worth the effort. My advice to you is skip the Van's seals and get an aftermarket one. I didn't and it was a lot of trimming after a perfect fit, it's a solid fit now but it came with a costs of hours. Pascal From: Dave Leikam <mailto:daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: RV10-List: final door trim Does anyone have a good method for final trimming of the doors to the cabin opening? I will just have at it soon, and just by gosh and by golly my way through it but I am hoping there is a better way. Plans just say "Trim to fit." I searched the archives and found no joy. Thanks. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI title="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution _____ Windows LiveT HotmailR:.more than just e-mail. Check it out. <http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: final door trim
Date: Apr 30, 2009
Cabosil is a better choice. You have flox for strength but you are weakening it with micro. Flox and cabosil is the way to go. Gary Specketer _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen Brown Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim It=92s not thick enough. Add more micro. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim Any tips on how to keep the flox/micro from running everywhere when placed on a vertical surface? Even after making it super super thick it still tends to sag AFTER I've left it looking good. Thanks, Dan _____ From: pascal(at)rv10builder.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: final door trim Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:35:20 -0800 Both Deems and Jim Berry had a method that reviewed last June: search - "RV10-List: Re: 45 degree angle on the door edge" to get you started. I will be interested to hear how Richard created a 1/8 inch rabbet, but in the mean time I can suggest an alternative. If you trim the door edge square so that it sits slightly inside the curved portion of the canopy edge, the door edge can serve as a mold for creating the rabbet. The inner edge of the door should be just tangent to the radius of the canopy edge. Once you have the windows installed, apply 2 layers of release tape(packing tape) to the edge of the doors. You should have all door locking hardware installed and adjusted to final fit. Close the doors and lock them in place. Trowel on a mix of flox/micro to the canopy top so it fills the gap between the door edge and the canopy. After it cures, open the doors and remove the packing tape. You will be left with a rabbet that exactly matches your door edge, and should require very little clean up. Also, I would suggest installing the door windows with the doors mounted on the canopy. I spent many hours slowly fitting the doors and many more after installing the seals. You may be in for a long journey compleing Section 45.. But if done slowly and right it will be well worth the effort. My advice to you is skip the Van's seals and get an aftermarket one. I didn't and it was a lot of trimming after a perfect fit, it's a solid fit now but it came with a costs of hours. Pascal From: Dave Leikam <mailto:daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: RV10-List: final door trim Does anyone have a good method for final trimming of the doors to the cabin opening? I will just have at it soon, and just by gosh and by golly my way through it but I am hoping there is a better way. Plans just say "Trim to fit." I searched the archives and found no joy. Thanks. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI title="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution _____ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE:=85more than just e-mail. Check it out. <http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: final door trim
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Apr 30, 2009
As to trimming the doors to fit, I would recommend the double tape method copied below from the archives. Although the original discussion was related to trimming the cowl, it works equally well for the doors. There are several posts by others in the same thread. I used the method below to establish the cut line for the doors. Although I had used the double tape method many times for sheet metal and wood veneer fitting, I totally spaced it out till I saw Dave Saylor demo it at his first composite workshop. Works great. Once that was done, I used the duct tape method to create a new edge and gap for the door opening. #14935 Subject: Re: Trimming the cowling From: "jim berry" Date: Jan 23, 2008 I was able to trim mine to a very close fit with 2 layers of masking tape. Two inch wide tape works well for the cowl. Position the first layer of tape so that the forward edge matches the forward edge of your sheet metal. Position your upper or lower cowl per Van's instructions. Now position a second layer of tape the same width as the first so that the aft edge matches the aft edge of the first layer of tape. The forward edge of the second layer is your cut line. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242091#242091 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: final door trim
Date: Apr 30, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Everyone needs to cut Gary's comment for framing and paste it to the wall near the epoxy and micro supply. Don't make the mistake others have done by the dozens. To use Thomas Paine's quote, immortalized by Robert Nuckolls - "a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right". Micro gives volume with little gain in weight, and a false perception of structural strength. Epoxy has tremendous gain in weight for the same quantity. Epoxy's job is to bridge the stress forces across fibers, strands or filaments to complete the creation of a composite. More epoxy "Resin Rich" destroys that objective. This would be a great time to plug for the filling of those last seats at Dave Saylor's RV-1 composite class coming up. John Cox From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:10 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim Cabosil is a better choice. You have flox for strength but you are weakening it with micro. Flox and cabosil is the way to go. Gary Specketer ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen Brown Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim It's not thick enough. Add more micro. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim Any tips on how to keep the flox/micro from running everywhere when placed on a vertical surface? Even after making it super super thick it still tends to sag AFTER I've left it looking good. Thanks, Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: final door trim
From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
Date: Apr 30, 2009
Umm Gary AND Rick's comment ; ) Rick S. 40185 Paint Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:23:42 Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 30, 2009
From: linn <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV-10 trio pitch servo install
Finally downloaded my pics from the camera. Here's my install. The plate has the left and right sides bent downward and the aft side is bent up for stiffness. I used the 4 aft screws of the pivot plate, and the one under the servo I countersunk. Any questions? Lenny Iszak wrote: > > Does anyone have install pictures of the pitch servo from Trio Avionics? > > Regards, > Lenny > #40803 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine purchase considerations
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Apr 30, 2009
Bob said "Most of the folks that went with a rebuild ended up spending 80-90% of new and had a slew of headaches and/or issues that wouldnt have happened with a new engine. " I have to challenge you one this one. There is a very strong rebuild market out there and they wouldn't be in business if your statement was close to correct. Most of the certified aircraft go for rebuilds at TBO. The other posts indicate that you can get an engine for less than 50% of a new one. The worst oil leak I saw on an engine was a brand new out-of-the-box Lyc. They say that 1 quart leak every 5 hours is "within limits". Resale considerations are only for those that plan on selling and truly factor cost/benefit into the equation. After all, a used airplane is a used airplane. Would the actual sale price be $20,000 higher if you installed a new engine in an airplane that now has 500 hours? Will you get $250 more because you installed an Andair fuel valve or $500 more because you installed a throttle quadrant or $3000 more because of the leather seats? I don't think so. IMHO the best strategy strictly for resale profit is straight plans built, a rebuilt engine and prop, second hand good avionics, local upholstery and a home paint job. But who really wants to do just this? In the end you should spend what you can afford and be able to live with decisions you made and not second guess yourself. Go for the BPE engine if that is what you want. Or not. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242108#242108 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 trio pitch servo install
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Apr 30, 2009
Thanks Linn, looks good, what thickness of aluminum did you use for the plate? Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242110#242110 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pascal" <pascal(at)rv10builder.net>
Subject: Re: final door trim
Date: Apr 30, 2009
As a reminder to answer the original question. Here is a little primer for those still unsure exactly what product to use when. Straight epoxy is used to lay up fiberglass cloth. This should be done without additives like those listed below. Cabosil is used to stop slumping and running of the epoxy. It does not weaken the epoxy like micro Balloons does. Chopped fibers (chopped fiberglass), Flox (chopped cotton)are used like re-bar to give additional strength to the mix. The down side is that it makes the cured resin a bugger to sand and does not usually give a very smooth surface. Micro or Micro Balloons are small spheres used to extend the resin to make it easier to sand and have less weight than pure epoxy. However the strength of the mix is weaker. The more balloons you add the weaker the mix is. The trick is to analyze your need and then mix up the appropriate material for use. Hopefully this helps a little for those who are just getting there feet wet with this medium. Gary Specketer Dragonfly, Glasair III, Glastar, RV10, Tech counselor From: John Cox Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim Everyone needs to cut Gary's comment for framing and paste it to the wall near the epoxy and micro supply. Don't make the mistake others have done by the dozens. To use Thomas Paine's quote, immortalized by Robert Nuckolls - "a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right". Micro gives volume with little gain in weight, and a false perception of structural strength. Epoxy has tremendous gain in weight for the same quantity. Epoxy's job is to bridge the stress forces across fibers, strands or filaments to complete the creation of a composite. More epoxy "Resin Rich" destroys that objective. This would be a great time to plug for the filling of those last seats at Dave Saylor's RV-1 composite class coming up. John Cox From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:10 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim Cabosil is a better choice. You have flox for strength but you are weakening it with micro. Flox and cabosil is the way to go. Gary Specketer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen Brown Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim It's not thick enough. Add more micro. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim Any tips on how to keep the flox/micro from running everywhere when placed on a vertical surface? Even after making it super super thick it still tends to sag AFTER I've left it looking good. Thanks, Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 30, 2009
From: linn <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV-10 trio pitch servo install
.060 Lenny Iszak wrote: > > Thanks Linn, looks good, what thickness of aluminum did you use for the plate? > > Lenny > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242110#242110 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Saylor" <Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com>
Subject: final door trim
Date: Apr 30, 2009
John's right, you don't want to use micro near the edge of the door opening. The door and other things tend to touch the edge pretty regularly so it needs to be filled with something tough like flox or milled fibers. Micro will crack and chip. Cabosil (Aircraft Spruce P/N 01-04711) will help thicken the resin to keep it from running. You'll need some for bonding the door skins together if you haven't already. And yes, we do have Composites for RV-10s coming up in a few days, May 9 and 10. We have a few seats available, and we cover all this stuff, and more: http://www.aircraftersllc.com/seminars.htm We are still looking for a nearby kit that needs the top fit to the fuselage. If you're intersted, we do it for you in a couple hours, no charge. I can pick up and deliver around the Bay Area. Thanks John! Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim Everyone needs to cut Gary's comment for framing and paste it to the wall near the epoxy and micro supply. Don't make the mistake others have done by the dozens. To use Thomas Paine's quote, immortalized by Robert Nuckolls - "a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right". Micro gives volume with little gain in weight, and a false perception of structural strength. Epoxy has tremendous gain in weight for the same quantity. Epoxy's job is to bridge the stress forces across fibers, strands or filaments to complete the creation of a composite. More epoxy "Resin Rich" destroys that objective. This would be a great time to plug for the filling of those last seats at Dave Saylor's RV-1 composite class coming up. John Cox From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:10 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim Cabosil is a better choice. You have flox for strength but you are weakening it with micro. Flox and cabosil is the way to go. Gary Specketer _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen Brown Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim It's not thick enough. Add more micro. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:16 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim Any tips on how to keep the flox/micro from running everywhere when placed on a vertical surface? Even after making it super super thick it still tends to sag AFTER I've left it looking good. Thanks, Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: RV-10 trio pitch servo install
Date: Apr 30, 2009
Can anybody post pix of the elevator Trio mounting? I used the provided mo unting plate but the arm from the servo to the elevator control arm ended u p being a lot shorter than I would have expected vis-a-vis the materials su pplied. I'd like to verify that I did it correctly. Thanks=2C Dan Date: Thu=2C 30 Apr 2009 13:56:08 -0400 From: pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 trio pitch servo install .060 Lenny Iszak wrote: Thanks Linn=2C looks good=2C what thickness of aluminum did you use for the plate? Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242110#242110 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE:=85more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 trio pitch servo install
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Apr 30, 2009
Dan, Linn's photo is of the elevator mounting of the Trio servo. Lenny -------- Regards, Lenny #40803 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242126#242126 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: final door trim
Date: Apr 30, 2009
Hi I took Dave's class last fall and it was well worth the trip to Watsonville, even from Alberta Canada. The nice wx didn't hurt either. Dave's crew can fit a top so expertly that it will make you cry when you see how simple they make it seem. Dave also gives "lifetime tech support" for people who take his class. Cheers Les Kearney #40643 - some assembly required _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: April-30-09 12:19 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim John's right, you don't want to use micro near the edge of the door opening. The door and other things tend to touch the edge pretty regularly so it needs to be filled with something tough like flox or milled fibers. Micro will crack and chip. Cabosil (Aircraft Spruce P/N 01-04711) will help thicken the resin to keep it from running. You'll need some for bonding the door skins together if you haven't already. And yes, we do have Composites for RV-10s coming up in a few days, May 9 and 10. We have a few seats available, and we cover all this stuff, and more: http://www.aircraftersllc.com/seminars.htm We are still looking for a nearby kit that needs the top fit to the fuselage. If you're intersted, we do it for you in a couple hours, no charge. I can pick up and deliver around the Bay Area. Thanks John! Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: final door trim Everyone needs to cut Gary's comment for framing and paste it to the wall near the epoxy and micro supply. Don't make the mistake others have done by the dozens. To use Thomas Paine's quote, immortalized by Robert Nuckolls - "a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right".

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