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July 14, 2009 - July 22, 2009



      Dr Fred
      
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Subject: Door latch mod
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 14, 2009
I'm looking for two posts from around April of this year. One is about the Staniforth Latch on the doors, and the other was an alternative that involved welding a "t" onto the handle that went below the rail when closed. Have these worked out? And, would you recommend it/them? John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253053#253053 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: bottom skin lap joint and phase one complete!!!
From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
Date: Jul 15, 2009
I did....and I filled/blended the top skin...call me anal...5.and a half years building and. about 3000+ hours of a standard build, painted it myself with help of a friend and phase one hours are complete but we still need to explore gross weight testing. .Look for pics of N246RS In a week...gotta buff out the paint next week... See ya'll at OSH. .Coming in early Saturday before the fork tailed doctor killers (V tailed Bonanza's) and spam cans....Oh!!! and keep pounding those rivets...you are gonna LOVE this aircraft!!!! Yuck yuck.....it flys!!! Sorry for the clandestine approach....the local Guvment hates us here... James McClow where are you!!!!!! So I guess I missed out on those first flight kudos huh? Rick Sked N246RS ------Original Message------ From: Fred Williams, M.D. Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Jul 14, 2009 4:57 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: bottom skin lap joint I did not . Figured only a few very anal RV 10 builders would ever notice. Is that joint completed on the "quick build option" ? Dr Fred (Hope nobody catches me looking under the wings on the flight line........) Strasnuts wrote: > > Did anyone else sand down the bottom skin lap joints similar to the wing skins? > > -------- > Cust. #40936 > A&P, ATP > typed CE-525(s), CE-500 > RV-10 SB Fuselage > N801VR reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253026#253026 > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rob Hunter" <rwhunter(at)integra.net>
Subject: Tube Bender
Date: Jul 14, 2009
What size tube bender do you guys recommend. I am about to bend the brake lines and that looks to be 1/4. How about further down the line for bending other lines. Rob Hunter 40432 Fuselage ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "richard sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: High Oil temps
Date: Jul 14, 2009
The recent hot weather has certainly provided a good test environment for our cooling issues. I am running Van's oil cooler and the stock cowling outlets and a stock D4A5 with a single Lightspeed. I usually climb at 2600/full rich and 115 KIAS. Prior to this trip, in hot weather, I was seeing an occasional 400-410 on cyls 1 & 6. 1st. mod was to open the gap on the wrap around exit cylinder head baffles of 1 and 6 by about .500 inches. and I removed the right side front cylinder air dam. This past week I departed Salt Lake City and climbed direct to 13,000 in ISA +35 conditions. Cyls 1 & 6 were running in the 390's. I have not had much of a problem with the oil temp. Under these conditions if I remember correctly it went to 190 ish in the climb and then back down to 180 in cruise. I am still wrestling with fuel injector balance as the engine runs more rough than I would like at more than 20-30 LOP. At this high altitude and high temp I ended up running about 50 ROP to get the cyls all below 380. Just another data point I guess. Dick Sipp N110DV 160 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: James McGrew To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:31 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: High Oil temps I did some flying this weekend. I flew from Fort Worth (very hot) to Meadow Lake (near Colorado Springs, very high) and back. I have a IO-540D4A5 with the standard Van's installation (plus some added louvers just forward of the stock louvers). I have had high temperature problems with the cylinder heads and the oil in the past while flying this same route. As a technique on this trip I climbed at 2500 RPM with full rich mixture. My average rate of climb to 10500'/11500' was about 1000 fpm. The average fuel burn rate was 20 gph. I climbed at around 105 KIAS. That is a high fuel flow, however, I only burned about 3 gallons getting to altitude. The good news is, my CHTs stayed below 400 and the oil stayed around 200 for the climb. This will be my climb technique until I have a chance to look at additional cowl modifications. -Jim N312JE On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: We did the same thing, but used 2 more of the Vans vents. Same location as you did and got similar results. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:35 AM, "Albert Gardner" wrote: I think I have my high oil temps problem under control finally. I previously had added a high capacity oil cooler on the right side but still was seeing temps climbing too high now that summer is upon us. I added 2 non-retractable cowl flaps on the bottom. The rectangular opening in the cowl is 4 x 9 inches. The opening at the rear is 2 x 4 inches. They are non-retractable because the mufflers would interfere. This seems to be a final fix. I'll try it tomorrow with daytime temps at 111. Good thing KNYL is at 216'. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ N991RV scription, www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tube Bender
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Jul 15, 2009
You also need the 3/8" bender channel for the fuel lines. Also, buy or borrow a GOOD QUALITY 37 degree flare tool. There are a lot of crappy products out there. Check out the posts on the Bonaco lines for brakes and fuel -------- OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday Q/B Kit - end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253094#253094 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! ! !
Boy talk about Stealth !!! Congratulations to you Rick !! If anyone deserves some acknowledgment its you. Anybody that remembers James McClow and can poke fun at my spleing and tyyping is OK in my book! Save me a parking place, but not too close to N246RS (I don't want people to throw rocks @ N519PJ ) I'll be arriving Sun. Deems Davis N519PJ www.deemsrv10.com ricksked(at)embarqmail.com wrote: > > I did....and I filled/blended the top skin...call me anal...5.and a half years building and. about 3000+ hours of a standard build, painted it myself with help of a friend and phase one hours are complete but we still need to explore gross weight testing. > .Look for pics of N246RS In a week...gotta buff out the paint next week... See ya'll at OSH. .Coming in early Saturday before the fork tailed doctor killers (V tailed Bonanza's) and spam cans....Oh!!! and keep pounding those rivets...you are gonna LOVE this aircraft!!!! Yuck yuck.....it flys!!! Sorry for the clandestine approach....the local Guvment hates us here... James McClow where are you!!!!!! So I guess I missed out on those first flight kudos huh? > > Rick Sked > N246RS > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! ! !
Date: Jul 15, 2009
Congratulations. It has been a long and hopefully pleasant experience. Have a safe trip and see you in OSH. Gary Specketer -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 6:28 AM Subject: RV10-List: C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! ! ! Boy talk about Stealth !!! Congratulations to you Rick !! If anyone deserves some acknowledgment its you. Anybody that remembers James McClow and can poke fun at my spleing and tyyping is OK in my book! Save me a parking place, but not too close to N246RS (I don't want people to throw rocks @ N519PJ ) I'll be arriving Sun. Deems Davis N519PJ www.deemsrv10.com ricksked(at)embarqmail.com wrote: > > I did....and I filled/blended the top skin...call me anal...5.and a half years building and. about 3000+ hours of a standard build, painted it myself with help of a friend and phase one hours are complete but we still need to explore gross weight testing. > .Look for pics of N246RS In a week...gotta buff out the paint next week... See ya'll at OSH. .Coming in early Saturday before the fork tailed doctor killers (V tailed Bonanza's) and spam cans....Oh!!! and keep pounding those rivets...you are gonna LOVE this aircraft!!!! Yuck yuck.....it flys!!! Sorry for the clandestine approach....the local Guvment hates us here... James McClow where are you!!!!!! So I guess I missed out on those first flight kudos huh? > > Rick Sked > N246RS > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door latch mod
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 15, 2009
> What is a Staniforth latch? > Linn Here is a photo I saved from the post. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253110#253110 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imgp39442xo6_162.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tube Bender
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 15, 2009
Rob, Check out this web page from Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3755 John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253113#253113 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2009
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: High Oil temps
Speaking of what you did there with the cowl opening, I did a little playing a while back and although the data isn't really good data, I do have a theory.... The standard Van's Louvres don't stick out at all. My thought was that the fast moving air coming by the lower cowl was keeping the boundary layer too tight to the existing louvres, not giving the air inside any real good path to get out... almost making a "wall of air". (of course it may be causing a slight low pressure...it should, I'd think) So what I did was to stick on with aluminum tape a couple of homemade vortex generators in front of the louvres. My theory was it would create a lower pressure disturbance and give the Van's louvres a little help by creating some suction to pull that warm air out. It isn't reliable measured data, but I think I did see a decrease of a few...maybe up to 10 degrees. That kind of sounds like how the effect of James McGrew's would be, too...I haven't seen photos but if he put additional louvres (the normal raised kind) in front of the Van's Louvres, maybe they would not only increase the exit area, but decrease the pressure in that area to assist getting rid of the cowl's internal hot air. It was just a thought...not sure how valid. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Albert Gardner wrote: > I think I have my high oil temps problem under control finally. I previously > had added a high capacity oil cooler on the right side but still was seeing > temps climbing too high now that summer is upon us. I added 2 > non-retractable cowl flaps on the bottom. The rectangular opening in the > cowl is 4 x 9 inches. The opening at the rear is 2 x 4 inches. They are > non-retractable because the mufflers would interfere. This seems to be a > final fix. I'll try it tomorrow with daytime temps at 111. Good thing KNYL > is at 216'. > Albert Gardner > Yuma, AZ > N991RV > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: RV-10 Fuel System Update
Date: Jul 15, 2009
Just so ya'll know, Van's has finally modified their fuel system. Notice the changes in the lines and the location of the valve (allowing more room for the SCAT hose). They also have a different handle with a button to lock it in position. I don't know when they make the change, but if your front tunnel cover for your fuse kit has a round hole, you have the old version. If it has a non-round hole, you have the new system. It's about time them made a change like this. You will also notice the plans call for a bulkhead fitting in the side of the tunnel where it connects to the seat area. I know a lot of people have been doing this anyway, but Van's has finally acknowledged that making a single solid line all the way from the valve to the wing is very difficult. For those who haven't gotten to this point yet, it might be work calling Van's and seeing if they can get the modified parts (tunnel sides optional, maybe new valve support bracket, and definitely new tunnel cover and parts that go with it like the knob, button, valve extension, locking plate, etc.). I don't have the plans in front of me, or I would include some part numbers. If anybody is interested, I can try to make a list. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Tube Benders
From: "ThisOne" <thisone58(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2009
Rob, Speaking as one who bends tubing for a living, I would recommend you look for benders from Parker or Ridgid. Whit these you have more leverage, and you can place one end in a vice so that you can make cleaner bends. The bender shown (in the link above) is made of cast aluminum and they tend to break. On the flaring tool You can get a good one from ACS. And good luck to you on your bending :o) Regards, Brett Bonaco, Inc. brett at boancoinc.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253195#253195 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 Fuel System Update
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jul 15, 2009
I believe the change happened around April 2008. I picked up my QB fuselage at that time, and got a "hybrid": Mostly the old system, but some parts (like the tunnel cover, new valve handle, instructions) were for the new setup. Vans asked me which one I wanted, I said new, they sent the needed parts. Note the valve is also slightly different - the handle is slightly thinner, and has a thru hole, for the extension shaft. Likewise, the mounting bracket is not the old one turned upside down, it's slightly different. The hardest part of installing the new setup from scratch is getting the placement of the new, lower mounting bracket right. There's a long lever arm on the shaft extension, and it has to hit the hole in the cover. The new handle locks - it has a "pull up to turn" feature. It also looks a whole lot better than the old one! -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253223#253223 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "richard sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: High Oil temps
Date: Jul 15, 2009
On Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:23 AM Tim wrote: Can you fill us in...maybe with pictures, on what you mean about opening the gap on the wrap around baffles........ I'll try to get a couple of pictures but won't be back at the airport until after the weekend. What I am trying to describe is the portion of the cylinder baffle below the cylinder (where the cooling air exits) around the top portion of the cylinder. This is the part of the baffle that small diameter rod or safety wire goes through on the front of the front cyl and back of the back cylinder on each side. To open them the rod is removed and bent tab is rebent to make the opening a little bigger and a new hole drilled for the rod. This process was described in an old book by Ken Pazer "speed with efficiency". He experimented with various size openings to minimize cooling drag. The idea is opening this exit channel allows more air to flow around that cylinder, think of an individual cylinder cowl flap. Did you replace your cylinders already? Dick ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Engine Delivery Question
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2009
I decided to order the Van's deal on the Lycoming engine and got in before the price increase. Delivery is scheduled for some time next week. For those of you that received an engine from Lyc via Van's, what do I need to do to prepare? Will I be expected to remove it from the truck or will they have a lift or some means to get it to ground level? [Question] -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253294#253294 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Delivery Question
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Hey Dave, We didn't get our engine from Van's, but I imagine they'll all be about the same. Ours came bolted to a pallet using two temporary mounts for the two lower rear mount ears and a third brace that supported the front hub -- it works quite well. The delivery truck had a hydraulic tail gate and the driver had a manual pallet jack he used to roll it into the shop. I took the sides and top off the crating, used an engine jack to raise the engine and pallet together and screwed swivel wheels from harbor freight onto the four corners -- as long as you're on a hard floor, it roles very easily. With an engine leveler gizmo attached to the engine hoist so that the angle is the same every time it is picked up, it is no trouble at all to mount and dismount the engine to the plane and back to the pallet during the cowling fitting, hose/cable fitting, etc. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Painting done! On with wiring and avionics. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253307#253307 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Tube Bender
AirMike wrote: > Also, buy or borrow a GOOD QUALITY 37 degree flare tool. > There are a lot of crappy products out there. > ...and if you've never seen the tool used to make a flare, have someone demonstrate it. It was obvious to this builder. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Winglts ?
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Hey guys, I've been thinking about this for awhile and thought I'd air it out -- especially now that many of you might check it out at Osh with the vendors. What do you think of winglets instead of just wingtips? Supposedly they create a better vortex, enhance lift ... ? I dunno, but now I see them in the magazines (Plane & Pilot) on the new Diamonds and Cessna 400 etc. -- not just the big commercial planes. >From a builder's point of view, is it just as easy to fit a winglet as a wingtip?, stress/structure issues?, would they change flying/handling? how to engineer them for the -10? I read here about counting ounces and fine tuning everything from injectors to positioning antennas to tweak the most out of efficiency, reducing drag, etc. ... winglets would seem to be an obvious area to look into. Whatcha think? Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Painting done! On with wiring and avionics. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253313#253313 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Delivery Question
I did the same thing. As I recall, the delivery as either 'free'or involved no additional charges. The trucker called and I explained that we could take it at the driveway. For the delivery, I was prepared to have my neighbor help with his tractor. The truck came, used his lift ramp to put it on the ground, and used a hand fork lift to roll it onto the gravel drive. Later, my neighbor came over, we strapped it on his shovel and put it in the hangar/shop. No problems. A week later, I rec'd a letter in the mail from the trucking company for a $90 lift gate charge. It took a few calls and a fax of the charge back (to Lycoming I recall) for the charge to be voided. That was my experience. BTW, when the time came, I was able to unpack and otherwise move the engine around and mount it using the HF engine hoist and balancer. A good deal. Note that the engine is sealed in heavy plastic along with some large dry packs. As I recall, the dry packs are visible from outside the plastic. And they have an indicator telling you whether they are still functioning (they can be renewed in an oven). So you can leave the engine packed with some assurance that it will remain dry. nukeflyboy wrote: > > I decided to order the Van's deal on the Lycoming engine and got in before the price increase. Delivery is scheduled for some time next week. For those of you that received an engine from Lyc via Van's, what do I need to do to prepare? Will I be expected to remove it from the truck or will they have a lift or some means to get it to ground level? [Question] > > -------- > Dave Moore > RV-6 flying > RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253294#253294 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Delivery Question
When mine came the truck had a hydraulic tail gate, which was paid extra for. I have a fork lift (ancient and decrepit, but it runs) and I used that. Since I didn't use the tailgate ..... the charge was refunded ..... probably to Lycoming :-( . Depending on whether you have to go over grass or not, I'd build a dolly with good casters on it that will handle a 4 X 4 pallet so you can get it from the spot in your driveway to your shop. I have all my parts stored in a room in my shop, and the engine wouldn't fit through the door, so I uncrated it and put it on a dolly .... and tyhen it just fit. In hindsight, I'd probqbly just push it into a corner and leave it alone. Linn nukeflyboy wrote: > > I decided to order the Van's deal on the Lycoming engine and got in before the price increase. Delivery is scheduled for some time next week. For those of you that received an engine from Lyc via Van's, what do I need to do to prepare? Will I be expected to remove it from the truck or will they have a lift or some means to get it to ground level? [Question] > > -------- > Dave Moore > RV-6 flying > RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253294#253294 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tube Bender
Ditto on this post. I have a friend who replaced the entire fuel line system in his L19. Then he found out about his crappy flare tool and got to redo the whole system again. Couple days down the drain. A drop or two of oil on the tool also helps. Also, make sure you have filed and taken all the burrs off the end of the tube before you flare. The burrs and chinks are the nidus to start a crack in the flare. I used some fine scotch brite to polish the ends before flaring. Rise out the tubing to get rid of any bugs/chips etc before final installation. Dr Fred. Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: > > > AirMike wrote: >> Also, buy or borrow a GOOD QUALITY 37 degree flare tool. >> There are a lot of crappy products out there. >> > ...and if you've never seen the tool used to make a flare, have > someone demonstrate it. It was obvious to this builder. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2009
I asked this question in the Vans tent 2 years ago and was blown off because they didn't think it would add any significant performance. Something about having relatively short wings. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253329#253329 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2009
You need a big wing before it really makes any difference, and it's minor at that. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253331#253331 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
There was a great discussion of winglets on the Lancair Mail List a few weeks ago. What I took from it was that winglets improve efficiency at high angles of attack: take-off, climb, landing, and very high altitude cruise. Perfect for airliners and pressurized GA planes but not so helpful for planes like RVs. At low angles of attack, where RVs excel, winglets would most likely slow the plane down. Plus, there's a lot of engineering and testing that goes into a winglet--they aren't a simple bolt-on. The angles and airfoils are critical. I understand the airlines use them to gain tiny efficiencies that pay off over millions of miles. Dave On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote: > > Hey guys, > > I've been thinking about this for awhile and thought I'd air it out -- > especially now that many of you might check it out at Osh with the vendors. > > What do you think of winglets instead of just wingtips? Supposedly they > create a better vortex, enhance lift ... ? I dunno, but now I see them in > the magazines (Plane & Pilot) on the new Diamonds and Cessna 400 etc. -- not > just the big commercial planes. > > >From a builder's point of view, is it just as easy to fit a winglet as a > wingtip?, stress/structure issues?, would they change flying/handling? how > to engineer them for the -10? > > I read here about counting ounces and fine tuning everything from injectors > to positioning antennas to tweak the most out of efficiency, reducing drag, > etc. ... winglets would seem to be an obvious area to look into. > > Whatcha think? > > Later, - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Painting done! > On with wiring and avionics. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253313#253313 > > -- Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron Walker" <n520tx(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 16, 2009
A neighbor of mine hosted a rotary engine fly-in a couple months ago. There was a guy there that has a custom fiberglass molding business - he brought a pair of what are called "finch-tips". These are tips where the outboard edge sweeps down and rearward. They only fit the 4/6/7/9 currently and he was looking for someone to test fly them to gather numbers. I did the work to install them on my 7a and have flown them twice so far. The stall speeds are unchanged, but in my trials so far, I've seen that the mid-power range speeds are improved by about 7mph. I'm far from complete with my flight testing, but they are showing promise. I have photo's posted on my picasa page - http://picasaweb.google.com/n520tx/NewWingtips#. When I get all my testing done, I plan to post up the final numbers on my web site. For what it's worth ... Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? > > I asked this question in the Vans tent 2 years ago and was blown off > because they didn't think it would add any significant performance. > Something about having relatively short wings. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253329#253329 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Delivery Question
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2009
You may have to pay extra for the lift gate, but worth it. I tipped mine onto a Harbor Freight (1000# capacity) furniture dolly which has two advantages. One - you can move it around easily, and two - you can get the forks of the engine lift under it when it is time to mount it, -------- OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday Q/B Kit - end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253347#253347 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
Ron, Thanks for the post. The tip looked like a pretty good match for a prototype. It's funny how ego plays a part in these things. The exact same wing tip flipped up has some marketing potential but a turned down winglet much like the old Cherokee wing tips are more of an eyesore (to my design sensibilities). Regardless please keep us informed of your test results. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Walker Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:54 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? A neighbor of mine hosted a rotary engine fly-in a couple months ago. There was a guy there that has a custom fiberglass molding business - he brought a pair of what are called "finch-tips". These are tips where the outboard edge sweeps down and rearward. They only fit the 4/6/7/9 currently and he was looking for someone to test fly them to gather numbers. I did the work to install them on my 7a and have flown them twice so far. The stall speeds are unchanged, but in my trials so far, I've seen that the mid-power range speeds are improved by about 7mph. I'm far from complete with my flight testing, but they are showing promise. I have photo's posted on my picasa page - http://picasaweb.google.com/n520tx/NewWingtips#. When I get all my testing done, I plan to post up the final numbers on my web site. For what it's worth ... Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? > > I asked this question in the Vans tent 2 years ago and was blown off > because they didn't think it would add any significant performance. > Something about having relatively short wings. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253329#253329 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: High Oil temps
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: "Kevin O'Shea" <kevino(at)WorldWarehouse.com>
I had identical issue with my Glastar. Cleaned out RTV and spaced the baffle with one washer. Dropped the CHT over 30 degrees on #3 cyl. Will soon see if RV 10 has temp issues. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
That, and the fact that the wing is 'Hershey bar' shape. I think winglets would be far more efficient on a swept wing. Linn orchidman wrote: > > I asked this question in the Vans tent 2 years ago and was blown off because they didn't think it would add any significant performance. Something about having relatively short wings. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253329#253329 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Well, I kinda like the droop tips on the Cherokee. Klingon warship comes to mind. I think the droop style would help the low speed stall far more than a swept up winglet. The droop tips on the Cherokee really do make a short field landing far shorter!!! Linn Robin Marks wrote: > > Ron, > Thanks for the post. The tip looked like a pretty good match for > a prototype. It's funny how ego plays a part in these things. The exact > same wing tip flipped up has some marketing potential but a turned down > winglet much like the old Cherokee wing tips are more of an eyesore (to > my design sensibilities). Regardless please keep us informed of your > test results. > > Robin > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <rebrunk42(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Anyone using other than Cleveland brakes mine are getting hot and wearing out too fast.any other brakes recommended or being used? Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 520 Lawrence St. Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert(at)brunklaw.com On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > > > > That, and the fact that the wing is 'Hershey bar' shape. I think > winglets would be far more efficient on a swept wing. > Linn > > orchidman wrote: >> >> I asked this question in the Vans tent 2 years ago and was blown >> off because they didn't think it would add any significant >> performance. Something about having relatively short wings. >> >> -------- >> Gary Blankenbiller >> RV10 - # 40674 >> (N2GB Flying) >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253329#253329 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Tube Bender
It was NOT obvious to this builder Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: > > > AirMike wrote: >> Also, buy or borrow a GOOD QUALITY 37 degree flare tool. >> There are a lot of crappy products out there. >> > ...and if you've never seen the tool used to make a flare, have > someone demonstrate it. It was obvious to this builder. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
The larger mass of an upgraded rotor can assist cooling as can a larger caliper. The technical support at Cleveland can assist in beginning with their parts used and larger upgrades. Tim James did a great job with OEM Cessna. There is also Beringer. Beyond the benefit of cooler temperatures is the shorter stopping distance at the same speed and same weight. Don't forget to think about a fluid upgrade as H-5606 is more combustible than alternatives. Once a brake line leaks the chain reaction begins. John Cox , -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? Anyone using other than Cleveland brakes mine are getting hot and wearing out too fast.any other brakes recommended or being used? Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 520 Lawrence St. Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert(at)brunklaw.com On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > > > That, and the fact that the wing is 'Hershey bar' shape. I think > winglets would be far more efficient on a swept wing. > Linn > > orchidman wrote: >> >> I asked this question in the Vans tent 2 years ago and was blown >> off because they didn't think it would add any significant >> performance. Something about having relatively short wings. >> >> -------- >> Gary Blankenbiller >> RV10 - # 40674 >> (N2GB Flying) >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253329#253329 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
VGs also help the slow speed characteristics without shocking the design sensibilities of a few readers. What one calls a winglet might not reach the NACA standard, but might be just another unique wing tip design. New ideas are always a fresh perspective with OSH just around the corner. John Cox -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? Well, I kinda like the droop tips on the Cherokee. Klingon warship comes to mind. I think the droop style would help the low speed stall far more than a swept up winglet. The droop tips on the Cherokee really do make a short field landing far shorter!!! Linn Robin Marks wrote: > > Ron, > Thanks for the post. The tip looked like a pretty good match for > a prototype. It's funny how ego plays a part in these things. The exact > same wing tip flipped up has some marketing potential but a turned down > winglet much like the old Cherokee wing tips are more of an eyesore (to > my design sensibilities). Regardless please keep us informed of your > test results. > > Robin > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <rebrunk42(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 16, 2009
are you using this upgrade on your rv10? On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:24 PM, John Cox wrote: > > The larger mass of an upgraded rotor can assist cooling as can a > larger > caliper. The technical support at Cleveland can assist in beginning > with their parts used and larger upgrades. Tim James did a great job > with OEM Cessna. There is also Beringer. Beyond the benefit of cooler > temperatures is the shorter stopping distance at the same speed and > same > weight. Don't forget to think about a fluid upgrade as H-5606 is more > combustible than alternatives. Once a brake line leaks the chain > reaction begins. > > John Cox > , > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Brunkenhoefer > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:14 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? > > > > Anyone using other than Cleveland brakes mine are getting hot and > wearing out too fast.any other brakes recommended or being used? > > Sent from my iPhone > > Robert E. Brunkenhoefer > Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. > 520 Lawrence St. > Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 > Phone: 361-888-8808 > Facsimile: 361-888-6753 > robert(at)brunklaw.com > > On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Linn Walters > wrote: > > >> >> >> That, and the fact that the wing is 'Hershey bar' shape. I think >> winglets would be far more efficient on a swept wing. >> Linn >> >> orchidman wrote: >>> >>> I asked this question in the Vans tent 2 years ago and was blown >>> off because they didn't think it would add any significant >>> performance. Something about having relatively short wings. >>> >>> -------- >>> Gary Blankenbiller >>> RV10 - # 40674 >>> (N2GB Flying) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253329#253329 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Robert, I am going with 0.375" thick rotors and dual pad calipers per side to spread the force. A couple of RV-x main landing gear caliper fires that consumed the glass pant caused a few to change from H-5606 a few years back. The flame propagation was right below each main AVGAS fuel tank. Fiberglass fires are a perverted thing to watch. So take a test sample and learn by experiment not experience how the cured resin and glass strands come to life until gone. Mine was watching a '69 Vette being prepped for custom paint. VANS mantra is stay conservative with the brakes and build your kit bone stock. Some of us tend to lean into the wind - just for the fresh sea breeze in the summer. With a Barrett and Forsling Exhaust, the brake upgrade was an easy choice. Ask about VGs for the RV-10 at OSH. Mil H-83282 provides another level of combustion protection. I have found that H-5606 tends to coagulate with age. Its low flash point is routinely accepted by most builders without consideration of alternatives. Some will yell "Stay off the brakes and learn Happy Feet". Then your neighborhood A&P will explain how proper engine leaning and a higher idle than 700 or 800 will cause the aircraft to move in a forward direction requiring those darned toes again. Fly Often, Fly Safe, Earn your grey hair over time. Take a Grandchild for a Young Eagles flight. Stop by Camp Condrey for a beer. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? are you using this upgrade on your rv10? On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:24 PM, John Cox wrote: > > The larger mass of an upgraded rotor can assist cooling as can a > larger > caliper. The technical support at Cleveland can assist in beginning > with their parts used and larger upgrades. Tim James did a great job > with OEM Cessna. There is also Beringer. Beyond the benefit of cooler > temperatures is the shorter stopping distance at the same speed and > same > weight. Don't forget to think about a fluid upgrade as H-5606 is more > combustible than alternatives. Once a brake line leaks the chain > reaction begins. > > John Cox > , > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Brunkenhoefer > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:14 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? > > > > Anyone using other than Cleveland brakes mine are getting hot and > wearing out too fast.any other brakes recommended or being used? > > Sent from my iPhone > > Robert E. Brunkenhoefer > Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. > 520 Lawrence St. > Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 > Phone: 361-888-8808 > Facsimile: 361-888-6753 > robert(at)brunklaw.com > > On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Linn Walters > wrote: > > >> >> >> That, and the fact that the wing is 'Hershey bar' shape. I think >> winglets would be far more efficient on a swept wing. >> Linn >> >> orchidman wrote: >>> >>> I asked this question in the Vans tent 2 years ago and was blown >>> off because they didn't think it would add any significant >>> performance. Something about having relatively short wings. >>> >>> -------- >>> Gary Blankenbiller >>> RV10 - # 40674 >>> (N2GB Flying) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253329#253329 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
IIRC the blended airfoil winglets on B7x7 aircraft account for 3-4% fuel economy as well as lowered stall speed, etc. There are droop wingtips for aircraft such as hersey bar Cherokees and C172s that apparently are effective for stall reduction without too much drag addition. On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Dave Saylor < dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> wrote: > There was a great discussion of winglets on the Lancair Mail List a few > weeks ago. What I took from it was that winglets improve efficiency at high > angles of attack: take-off, climb, landing, and very high altitude cruise. > Perfect for airliners and pressurized GA planes but not so helpful for > planes like RVs. At low angles of attack, where RVs excel, winglets would > most likely slow the plane down. > > Plus, there's a lot of engineering and testing that goes into a > winglet--they aren't a simple bolt-on. The angles and airfoils are > critical. I understand the airlines use them to gain tiny efficiencies that > pay off over millions of miles. > > Dave > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Delivery Question
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Thanks guys - that's what I needed to know. I'll be ready with the HF dollies and an engine hoist on standby. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253418#253418 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <rebrunk42(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 16, 2009
Thanks for the help. Where do I get the parts and how much has to be done to the fairings brackets to make the upgrade fit Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 520 Lawrence St. Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert(at)brunklaw.com On Jul 16, 2009, at 4:46 PM, "John Cox" wrote: > Robert, > > I am going with 0.375" thick rotors and dual pad calipers per side to > spread the force. A couple of RV-x main landing gear caliper fires > that > consumed the glass pant caused a few to change from H-5606 a few years > back. The flame propagation was right below each main AVGAS fuel tank. > Fiberglass fires are a perverted thing to watch. So take a test sample > and learn by experiment not experience how the cured resin and glass > strands come to life until gone. Mine was watching a '69 Vette being > prepped for custom paint. > > VANS mantra is stay conservative with the brakes and build your kit > bone > stock. Some of us tend to lean into the wind - just for the fresh sea > breeze in the summer. With a Barrett and Forsling Exhaust, the brake > upgrade was an easy choice. Ask about VGs for the RV-10 at OSH. > > Mil H-83282 provides another level of combustion protection. I have > found that H-5606 tends to coagulate with age. Its low flash point is > routinely accepted by most builders without consideration of > alternatives. > > Some will yell "Stay off the brakes and learn Happy Feet". Then your > neighborhood A&P will explain how proper engine leaning and a higher > idle than 700 or 800 will cause the aircraft to move in a forward > direction requiring those darned toes again. > > Fly Often, Fly Safe, Earn your grey hair over time. Take a Grandchild > for a Young Eagles flight. Stop by Camp Condrey for a beer. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Brunkenhoefer > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:00 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? > > > > are you using this upgrade on your rv10? > On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:24 PM, John Cox wrote: > >> >> The larger mass of an upgraded rotor can assist cooling as can a >> larger >> caliper. The technical support at Cleveland can assist in beginning >> with their parts used and larger upgrades. Tim James did a great job >> with OEM Cessna. There is also Beringer. Beyond the benefit of >> cooler >> temperatures is the shorter stopping distance at the same speed and >> same >> weight. Don't forget to think about a fluid upgrade as H-5606 is >> more >> combustible than alternatives. Once a brake line leaks the chain >> reaction begins. >> >> John Cox >> , >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert >> Brunkenhoefer >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:14 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? >> >> >> >> Anyone using other than Cleveland brakes mine are getting hot and >> wearing out too fast.any other brakes recommended or being used? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Robert E. Brunkenhoefer >> Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. >> 520 Lawrence St. >> Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 >> Phone: 361-888-8808 >> Facsimile: 361-888-6753 >> robert(at)brunklaw.com >> >> On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Linn Walters >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> That, and the fact that the wing is 'Hershey bar' shape. I think >>> winglets would be far more efficient on a swept wing. >>> Linn >>> >>> orchidman wrote: >>>> >>>> I asked this question in the Vans tent 2 years ago and was blown >>>> off because they didn't think it would add any significant >>>> performance. Something about having relatively short wings. >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Gary Blankenbiller >>>> RV10 - # 40674 >>>> (N2GB Flying) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253329#253329 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
This is a first for me. I've used Cleveland brakes almost my whole flying life, and find them better than the alternatives. My only guess is that you ride the brakes while taxiing (give the brakes a tap or two to keep the nose pointed to where you want to go rather than constant pressure) ...... or your brakes don't relax when you release them. I'd check to make sure the brake cylinder rides on the pins freely. They don't need lubrication, which usually just gums them up and attracts dirt. Are the pads wearing evenly??? Uneven wear is a sign of the brake cylinder hanging up on the pins, or a mounting problem. Improper break-in could also be a cause. Linn Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote: > > > Anyone using other than Cleveland brakes mine are getting hot and > wearing out too fast.any other brakes recommended or being used? > > Sent from my iPhone > > Robert E. Brunkenhoefer > Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. > 520 Lawrence St. > Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 > Phone: 361-888-8808 > Facsimile: 361-888-6753 > robert(at)brunklaw.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Delivery Question
Date: Jul 16, 2009
They delivered mine with a lift gate truck. Then they used a hand fork to roll it down my driveway to my shop. Mine is still in the crate, delivered June 1st. I put some small snowmobile dollies under the pallet so I can move it easily if I need to. No issues. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:18 AM Subject: RV10-List: Engine Delivery Question > > I decided to order the Van's deal on the Lycoming engine and got in before > the price increase. Delivery is scheduled for some time next week. For > those of you that received an engine from Lyc via Van's, what do I need to > do to prepare? Will I be expected to remove it from the truck or will > they have a lift or some means to get it to ground level? [Question] > > -------- > Dave Moore > RV-6 flying > RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253294#253294 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
Yes I'll admit it, I would not add drop down winglets to my -10 if it added 15 more knots in cruise and washed itself when it was dirty. That being said... John have you seen the clear rubberized VG's on the Cessna Columbia's leading edge? Small in profile and difficult to see unless you are either looking for them or right up against the wing. Also interesting because they are on the forward most portion of the leading edge vs. typical VG's further up the curvature of the wing. Interesting item. I thought that one could design and mold them in 18" sections and just link end to end. Then I remembered that one would have to conduct proper R&D first. Oh that..... Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? Robert, I am going with 0.375" thick rotors and dual pad calipers per side to spread the force. A couple of RV-x main landing gear caliper fires that consumed the glass pant caused a few to change from H-5606 a few years back. The flame propagation was right below each main AVGAS fuel tank. Fiberglass fires are a perverted thing to watch. So take a test sample and learn by experiment not experience how the cured resin and glass strands come to life until gone. Mine was watching a '69 Vette being prepped for custom paint. VANS mantra is stay conservative with the brakes and build your kit bone stock. Some of us tend to lean into the wind - just for the fresh sea breeze in the summer. With a Barrett and Forsling Exhaust, the brake upgrade was an easy choice. Ask about VGs for the RV-10 at OSH. Mil H-83282 provides another level of combustion protection. I have found that H-5606 tends to coagulate with age. Its low flash point is routinely accepted by most builders without consideration of alternatives. Some will yell "Stay off the brakes and learn Happy Feet". Then your neighborhood A&P will explain how proper engine leaning and a higher idle than 700 or 800 will cause the aircraft to move in a forward direction requiring those darned toes again. Fly Often, Fly Safe, Earn your grey hair over time. Take a Grandchild for a Young Eagles flight. Stop by Camp Condrey for a beer. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? are you using this upgrade on your rv10? On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:24 PM, John Cox wrote: > > The larger mass of an upgraded rotor can assist cooling as can a > larger caliper. The technical support at Cleveland can assist in > beginning with their parts used and larger upgrades. Tim James did a > great job with OEM Cessna. There is also Beringer. Beyond the benefit > of cooler temperatures is the shorter stopping distance at the same > speed and same weight. Don't forget to think about a fluid upgrade as > H-5606 is more combustible than alternatives. Once a brake line leaks > the chain reaction begins. > > John Cox > , > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Brunkenhoefer > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:14 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? > > > > Anyone using other than Cleveland brakes mine are getting hot and > wearing out too fast.any other brakes recommended or being used? > > Sent from my iPhone > > Robert E. Brunkenhoefer > Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. > 520 Lawrence St. > Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 > Phone: 361-888-8808 > Facsimile: 361-888-6753 > robert(at)brunklaw.com > > On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Linn Walters > wrote: > > >> >> >> That, and the fact that the wing is 'Hershey bar' shape. I think >> winglets would be far more efficient on a swept wing. >> Linn >> >> orchidman wrote: >>> >>> I asked this question in the Vans tent 2 years ago and was blown off >>> because they didn't think it would add any significant performance. >>> Something about having relatively short wings. >>> >>> -------- >>> Gary Blankenbiller >>> RV10 - # 40674 >>> (N2GB Flying) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253329#253329 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Tim James #623 has done a major improvement in both handling and low speed flight with his VGs. Others might query at OSH and post their impressions here. The 10 can provide some great, short, soft, H DenAlt landings and unimproved surfaces with a few reasonably simple mods. For many who never leave the asphalt jungle, I understand. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? Yes I'll admit it, I would not add drop down winglets to my -10 if it added 15 more knots in cruise and washed itself when it was dirty. That being said... John have you seen the clear rubberized VG's on the Cessna Columbia's leading edge? Small in profile and difficult to see unless you are either looking for them or right up against the wing. Also interesting because they are on the forward most portion of the leading edge vs. typical VG's further up the curvature of the wing. Interesting item. I thought that one could design and mold them in 18" sections and just link end to end. Then I remembered that one would have to conduct proper R&D first. Oh that..... Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Delivery Question
Just rmember Dave you can always just use pipe, pvc or other, to just roll the crate where you want it.- I moved a 2,000 milling machine into a gara ge and then up a 12" step into my workshop using pipe. Don --- On Thu, 7/16/09, nukeflyboy wrote: From: nukeflyboy <flymoore(at)charter.net> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine Delivery Question Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 4:47 PM Thanks guys - that's what I needed to know.- I'll be ready with the HF do llies and an engine hoist on standby. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253418#253418 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2009
From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <fritzsch(at)eskimo.com>
Subject: Stewart Systems Primer Sealer
I asked this question a while back and got no response. I will try again as things may have changed. Has anyone used Stewart Systems Primer Sealer to prime the inside of their aircraft? It is water based making it much safer for the environment and the person spraying it. It can be seen at www.stewartsystems.aero. If you have used it, what is your experience? How does it compare to a two-part epoxy primer? I am tempted to try it, but would like some user experience reports prior to jumping into the water. Dave -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Fritzsche 40813 tail cone nearly finished Puyallup, WA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Unfortunately, VGs benefits come at a cost of reduced cruise speed. Depends on airfoil and max speed range. I would not be surprised to see a loss of 3-5 kts from cruise. Fine if you main mission is back country, not so good if you mainly fly cross country. On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:26 PM, John Cox wrote: > > Tim James #623 has done a major improvement in both handling and low > speed flight with his VGs. Others might query at OSH and post their > impressions here. > > The 10 can provide some great, short, soft, H DenAlt landings and > unimproved surfaces with a few reasonably simple mods. > > For many who never leave the asphalt jungle, I understand. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:37 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? > > > Yes I'll admit it, I would not add drop down winglets to my -10 if it > added 15 more knots in cruise and washed itself when it was dirty. > That being said... John have you seen the clear rubberized VG's on the > Cessna Columbia's leading edge? Small in profile and difficult to see > unless you are either looking for them or right up against the wing. > Also interesting because they are on the forward most portion of the > leading edge vs. typical VG's further up the curvature of the wing. > Interesting item. > I thought that one could design and mold them in 18" sections and just > link end to end. Then I remembered that one would have to conduct proper > R&D first. Oh that..... > > Robin > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <rebrunk42(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Thanks for the info I will try and check those items. Robert n661g 130hrs Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 520 Lawrence St. Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert(at)brunklaw.com On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > > > > This is a first for me. I've used Cleveland brakes almost my whole > flying life, and find them better than the alternatives. My only > guess is that you ride the brakes while taxiing (give the brakes a > tap or two to keep the nose pointed to where you want to go rather > than constant pressure) ...... or your brakes don't relax when you > release them. I'd check to make sure the brake cylinder rides on > the pins freely. They don't need lubrication, which usually just > gums them up and attracts dirt. Are the pads wearing evenly??? > Uneven wear is a sign of the brake cylinder hanging up on the pins, > or a mounting problem. Improper break-in could also be a cause. > Linn > > Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote: >> > >> >> Anyone using other than Cleveland brakes mine are getting hot and >> wearing out too fast.any other brakes recommended or being used? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Robert E. Brunkenhoefer >> Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. >> 520 Lawrence St. >> Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 >> Phone: 361-888-8808 >> Facsimile: 361-888-6753 >> robert(at)brunklaw.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "pascal" <pascal(at)rv10builder.net>
Subject: Re: Stewart Systems Primer Sealer
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Look at the VAF forum and search Stewarts, they had a different name before, but there are some good reviews out there. I'll get it but I'm a few months away from needing it. P -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <fritzsch(at)eskimo.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Stewart Systems Primer Sealer > > > I asked this question a while back and got no response. I will try again > as things may have changed. Has anyone used Stewart Systems Primer Sealer > to prime the inside of their aircraft? It is water based making it much > safer for the environment and the person spraying it. It can be seen at > www.stewartsystems.aero. If you have used it, what is your experience? > How does it compare to a two-part epoxy primer? I am tempted to try it, > but would like some user experience reports prior to jumping into the > water. > > Dave > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dave Fritzsche > 40813 tail cone nearly finished > Puyallup, WA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>
Subject: Re: Stewart Systems Primer Sealer
Date: Jul 17, 2009
I am using it on my wings. On my tail kit/emp kit (RV-10), I used sherwin williams Aeropoxy--2 part primer/sealer. Aside from it being a pain to mix and then let it sit for 30 minutes before sprayed, I like it more than the water based Stewart Systems. The Stewart systems is harder to get the spray gun set correctly. When I first started using it I got lots of "blotches". Finally I got the gun set up and It sprays OK. The nice thing about it is that it can nearly be sprayed directly out of the container. I've found that it does take a little water added to get the correct spray consistency. Please note that I have very little painting experience so others may have had better luck with the product. The stewart systems does have good adhesion. Probably nearly as good as the SW aeropoxy I used. I'll probably finish the wings with the SS then go back to the SW product on the fuse. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <fritzsch(at)eskimo.com> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:32 AM Subject: RV10-List: Stewart Systems Primer Sealer > > > I asked this question a while back and got no response. I will try > again as things may have changed. Has anyone used Stewart Systems > Primer Sealer to prime the inside of their aircraft? It is water based > making it much safer for the environment and the person spraying it. It > can be seen at www.stewartsystems.aero. If you have used it, what is > your experience? How does it compare to a two-part epoxy primer? I am > tempted to try it, but would like some user experience reports prior to > jumping into the water. > > Dave > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dave Fritzsche > 40813 tail cone nearly finished > Puyallup, WA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:08:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Tim (James) did not report that to be the case. His testimony will be First Person. The manufacturer up in Washington also thought differently on "certain models of aircraft" so YMMV. I am interested in hearing from others on the subject who have walked the walk. Any Columbia/Cessna 400 drivers out there. They put the pressure on Mooney and upped the ante for "Fastest Certified SEL". It may be found that a "Faster" laminar flow airfoil must be the first step to trade those knots you are referencing. Your position is noted. Every kit builder should know their mission before beginning the journey. Getting lost, detoured or discontinuing the course is unfortunate. See you all at the destination. John From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:13 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? Unfortunately, VGs benefits come at a cost of reduced cruise speed. Depends on airfoil and max speed range. I would not be surprised to see a loss of 3-5 kts from cruise. Fine if you main mission is back country, not so good if you mainly fly cross country. On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:26 PM, John Cox wrote: Tim James #623 has done a major improvement in both handling and low speed flight with his VGs. Others might query at OSH and post their impressions here. The 10 can provide some great, short, soft, H DenAlt landings and unimproved surfaces with a few reasonably simple mods. For many who never leave the asphalt jungle, I understand. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? Yes I'll admit it, I would not add drop down winglets to my -10 if it added 15 more knots in cruise and washed itself when it was dirty. That being said... John have you seen the clear rubberized VG's on the Cessna Columbia's leading edge? Small in profile and difficult to see unless you are either looking for them or right up against the wing. Also interesting because they are on the forward most portion of the leading edge vs. typical VG's further up the curvature of the wing. Interesting item. I thought that one could design and mold them in 18" sections and just link end to end. Then I remembered that one would have to conduct proper R&D first. Oh that..... Robin ======================= arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: OSH RV-10 HQ
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Looks like we're set for this year - 22 sites total (we'll again have a vacant site for group cookouts, etc). In addition, Tim will be a row or two east along with Vic, Scott and maybe a couple other REALLY early arrivers. http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2009_Campsites.html If you want to join in there's still a little time - you'll have to use PayPal to send funds though. There are a few people leaving on the Thursday/Friday before the last weekend of the show so there's also the possibility of contacting them to take over a site and still be with the group. Even if you don't camp in the group we'll be having a couple of big group BBQs - more info to come. Bob N442PM (flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253478#253478 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Stewart Systems Primer Sealer
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
I attended their class, reviewed the product and determined it is great for select applications. None of which meet mine for the aluminum & composite RV-10 in our locale. Others will be happy with it. I am addicted to acrylic enamels and two part epoxies. The addiction began forty years ago and the manufacturers have continued to lower the VOCs and improve the application equipment at exorbitant pricing. IMHO, skin protection and respiratory supply is a must. Will watch respectfully when a Stewart Systems aircraft gets a Golden Lindy. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche (Building) Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Stewart Systems Primer Sealer I asked this question a while back and got no response. I will try again as things may have changed. Has anyone used Stewart Systems Primer Sealer to prime the inside of their aircraft? It is water based making it much safer for the environment and the person spraying it. It can be seen at www.stewartsystems.aero. If you have used it, what is your experience? How does it compare to a two-part epoxy primer? I am tempted to try it, but would like some user experience reports prior to jumping into the water. Dave -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Fritzsche 40813 tail cone nearly finished Puyallup, WA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: OSH RV-10 HQ
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
I have someone arriving ORD that is trying to "Hook Up" with a wheeled transportation alternative to Camp Condrey on Monday for the rest of the entire week. Anyone know of campers with an open spot? She is the friend of one of the painters here in the NW and has an option to stay and help AFS with the crowds that will form this year. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Looks like we're set for this year - 22 sites total (we'll again have a vacant site for group cookouts, etc). In addition, Tim will be a row or two east along with Vic, Scott and maybe a couple other REALLY early arrivers. http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2009_Campsites.html If you want to join in there's still a little time - you'll have to use PayPal to send funds though. There are a few people leaving on the Thursday/Friday before the last weekend of the show so there's also the possibility of contacting them to take over a site and still be with the group. Even if you don't camp in the group we'll be having a couple of big group BBQs - more info to come. Bob N442PM (flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253478#253478 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-10 Gear Collapse Yesterday?
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Anybody know anything about this? IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 730WL Make/Model: EXP Description: RV-10 Date: 07/16/2009 Time: 1729 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: CONROE State: TX Country: US DESCRIPTION AIRCRAFT ON LANDING, GEAR COLLAPSED, CONROE, TX INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 2 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: SPECI 161745Z 00000KT 10SM SCT 045 34/22 A3003 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253498#253498 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
I added VG's to my souped up, mint condition Cherokee 140. The VG's made a 3-4 MPH difference in the stall speed there by really reducing the touchdown speed and ground roll. As far as the top end it is difficult to tell as full power forward was unchanged at a brisk walking pace L I doubt Columbia drivers will know as they either have them or they don't. Those certified guys don't take hardware on and off like garage builders. I vaguely remember that there was minimal top end loss for some of the Cessna (high wing) VG packages but again high speeds are not their forte. When is the last time you saw a 182 fly by? Yawn... Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:19 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? Tim (James) did not report that to be the case. His testimony will be First Person. The manufacturer up in Washington also thought differently on "certain models of aircraft" so YMMV. I am interested in hearing from others on the subject who have walked the walk. Any Columbia/Cessna 400 drivers out there. They put the pressure on Mooney and upped the ante for "Fastest Certified SEL". It may be found that a "Faster" laminar flow airfoil must be the first step to trade those knots you are referencing. Your position is noted. Every kit builder should know their mission before beginning the journey. Getting lost, detoured or discontinuing the course is unfortunate. See you all at the destination. John From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:13 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? Unfortunately, VGs benefits come at a cost of reduced cruise speed. Depends on airfoil and max speed range. I would not be surprised to see a loss of 3-5 kts from cruise. Fine if you main mission is back country, not so good if you mainly fly cross country. On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:26 PM, John Cox wrote: Tim James #623 has done a major improvement in both handling and low speed flight with his VGs. Others might query at OSH and post their impressions here. The 10 can provide some great, short, soft, H DenAlt landings and unimproved surfaces with a few reasonably simple mods. For many who never leave the asphalt jungle, I understand. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? Yes I'll admit it, I would not add drop down winglets to my -10 if it added 15 more knots in cruise and washed itself when it was dirty. That being said... John have you seen the clear rubberized VG's on the Cessna Columbia's leading edge? Small in profile and difficult to see unless you are either looking for them or right up against the wing. Also interesting because they are on the forward most portion of the leading edge vs. typical VG's further up the curvature of the wing. Interesting item. I thought that one could design and mold them in 18" sections and just link end to end. Then I remembered that one would have to conduct proper R&D first. Oh that..... Robin ======================= arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: RV-10 Gear Collapse Yesterday?
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Isn't that Bill Gipson's RV-10 with the LS-1 in it? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Gear Collapse Yesterday? Anybody know anything about this? IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 730WL Make/Model: EXP Description: RV-10 Date: 07/16/2009 Time: 1729 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: CONROE State: TX Country: US DESCRIPTION AIRCRAFT ON LANDING, GEAR COLLAPSED, CONROE, TX INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 2 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: SPECI 161745Z 00000KT 10SM SCT 045 34/22 A3003 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253498#253498 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: Stewart Systems Primer Sealer
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Dave I have used the Primer from Napa Auto Parts. It is a Acid etching primer to the Alum. Prep process is only to scuff the shine off the metal wash with soap and water then prime. I get it in rattle can at about $7.50 a can when I but it in a 6 can case. It works great, is very tuff and I think it is the cheapest and easiest I have seen out there. Napa manager told me it is the same as the Sherwin Williams acid etch product they sell in 2 part product but them oem it to Napa. Your welcome to contact me it you want more info John 40864 Assy Elavators, and picked up wings last weekend. N864FC reserved -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche (Building) Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Stewart Systems Primer Sealer I asked this question a while back and got no response. I will try again as things may have changed. Has anyone used Stewart Systems Primer Sealer to prime the inside of their aircraft? It is water based making it much safer for the environment and the person spraying it. It can be seen at www.stewartsystems.aero. If you have used it, what is your experience? How does it compare to a two-part epoxy primer? I am tempted to try it, but would like some user experience reports prior to jumping into the water. Dave -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Fritzsche 40813 tail cone nearly finished Puyallup, WA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Cram <johncram(at)msn.com>
Subject: RV-10 Gear Collapse Yesterday?
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Yes it is. according to FAA N number > From: rv(at)thelefflers.com > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Gear Collapse Yesterday? > Date: Fri=2C 17 Jul 2009 13:47:24 -0400 > > > Isn't that Bill Gipson's RV-10 with the LS-1 in it? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey > Sent: Friday=2C July 17=2C 2009 1:06 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Gear Collapse Yesterday? > > > Anybody know anything about this? > > IDENTIFICATION > Regis#: 730WL Make/Model: EXP Description: RV-10 > Date: 07/16/2009 Time: 1729 > > Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N > Damage: Minor > > LOCATION > City: CONROE State: TX Country: US > > DESCRIPTION > AIRCRAFT ON LANDING=2C GEAR COLLAPSED=2C CONROE=2C TX > > INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 > # Crew: 2 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: > # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: > # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: > > WEATHER: SPECI 161745Z 00000KT 10SM SCT 045 34/22 A3003 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253498#253498 > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Subject: countersinking wing spars
From: John Trollinger <john(at)trollingers.com>
quick question, I am countersinking the wing spars for the skins and made a dimpled template to ensure correct depth. With the hole countersunk to accommodate the dimpled skin it seems the countersink goes very close to all the way through the spar. Now when I am deburring the other side it is enlarging the whole a little it seems. Is this normal? thanks, John ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Crossing the border blues
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Hi This is a heads up for anyone on the correct side of the 49th who plans to head to KOSH. Apparently the CBP section of DHS has changed entry rules again. I called a nearby port of entry for the current rules and found out that the Form 178 that had to be faxed last year now has to be filed electronically. The kicker is that the EAPIS system takes, according to the website, 5-7 days to issue an ID. Without the ID you can't file the form which means no flying into the US from Canada. What is absolutely hilarious is that you have to file notification of your exit from the US when returning to Canada. I defy anyone to find logic in that.. Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this process aren't the same ones who are now running the auto / bank / health / . industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy. Cheers Les "hoping for an ID by next Thursday" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Crossing the border blues
I know, that eAPIS stuff.....gee whiz! I thought it was hillarious that in order to LEAVE to go to the Bahamas you'd now be forced to file with eAPIS. Can you imagine: You're a terrorist who wants to get out of the U.S., so you decide that you're going to apply for a CBP account to eAPIS and file your manifest. Really, is all this process going to stop anyone from doing anything at all? I think though that you'll find getting your account set up takes less time than the site quotes. But, if you're flying in from out of the U.S. I'd suggest getting online TODAY and starting the process. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Les Kearney wrote: > Hi > > > > This is a heads up for anyone on the correct side of the 49^th who plans > to head to KOSH. Apparently the CBP section of DHS has changed entry > rules again. I called a nearby port of entry for the current rules and > found out that the Form 178 that had to be faxed last year now has to be > filed electronically. The kicker is that the EAPIS system takes, > according to the website, 5-7 days to issue an ID. Without the ID you > cant file the form which means no flying into the US from Canada. > > > > What is absolutely hilarious is that you have to file notification of > your exit from the US when returning to Canada. I defy anyone to find > logic in that. > > > > Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this process > arent the same ones who are now running the auto / bank / health / > industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy. > > > > Cheers > > > > Les hoping for an ID by next Thursday > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Crossing the border blues
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Les, I had been meaning to set up an account and your email motivated me to get on it. Interestingly the email activating the account came within minutes of filling out the initial form online. Bob Les Kearney wrote: > Hi > > > > This is a heads up for anyone on the correct side of the 49^th who plans > to head to KOSH. Apparently the CBP section of DHS has changed entry > rules again. I called a nearby port of entry for the current rules and > found out that the Form 178 that had to be faxed last year now has to be > filed electronically. The kicker is that the EAPIS system takes, > according to the website, 5-7 days to issue an ID. Without the ID you > can't file the form which means no flying into the US from Canada. > > > > What is absolutely hilarious is that you have to file notification of > your exit from the US when returning to Canada. I defy anyone to find > logic in that.... > > > > Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this process > aren't the same ones who are now running the auto / bank / health / ... > industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy. > > > > Cheers > > > > Les "hoping for an ID by next Thursday" > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Crossing the border blues
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Sorry to say, same guys are running the auto/bank/...etc in the us. How long is the login good for? I am not planning on crossing the boarder soon, but you never know. Do you think I should get one now just in case I decide to do A fall trip up to the "correct" side of the 49th? Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: Crossing the border blues Hi This is a heads up for anyone on the correct side of the 49th who plans to head to KOSH. Apparently the CBP section of DHS has changed entry rules again. I called a nearby port of entry for the current rules and found out that the Form 178 that had to be faxed last year now has to be filed electronically. The kicker is that the EAPIS system takes, according to the website, 5-7 days to issue an ID. Without the ID you can't file the form which means no flying into the US from Canada. What is absolutely hilarious is that you have to file notification of your exit from the US when returning to Canada. I defy anyone to find logic in that.. Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this process aren't the same ones who are now running the auto / bank / health / . industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy. Cheers Les "hoping for an ID by next Thursday" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Crossing the border blues
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Hmmm The account id showed up in less than an hour. If that is all that it takes why do they say it "usually arrives in 5-7 days"? Overstating the time requirements does no one any favours and just causes needless concerns. Perhaps they are just setting the bar so low anyone can fall over it and claim to be a hero. Anyway, I am glad to hear that the US is now tracking all terrorists who are leaving the country. I hope they let us know when they are coming north of the 49th. Then again Janet Napolitano recently claimed that the 911 terrorists entered the US via Canada so I don't hold out much hope... Cheers Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: July-17-09 1:56 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Crossing the border blues I know, that eAPIS stuff.....gee whiz! I thought it was hillarious that in order to LEAVE to go to the Bahamas you'd now be forced to file with eAPIS. Can you imagine: You're a terrorist who wants to get out of the U.S., so you decide that you're going to apply for a CBP account to eAPIS and file your manifest. Really, is all this process going to stop anyone from doing anything at all? I think though that you'll find getting your account set up takes less time than the site quotes. But, if you're flying in from out of the U.S. I'd suggest getting online TODAY and starting the process. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Les Kearney wrote: > Hi > > > > This is a heads up for anyone on the correct side of the 49^th who plans > to head to KOSH. Apparently the CBP section of DHS has changed entry > rules again. I called a nearby port of entry for the current rules and > found out that the Form 178 that had to be faxed last year now has to be > filed electronically. The kicker is that the EAPIS system takes, > according to the website, 5-7 days to issue an ID. Without the ID you > can't file the form which means no flying into the US from Canada. > > > > What is absolutely hilarious is that you have to file notification of > your exit from the US when returning to Canada. I defy anyone to find > logic in that.. > > > > Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this process > aren't the same ones who are now running the auto / bank / health / . > industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy. > > > > Cheers > > > > Les "hoping for an ID by next Thursday" > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
A few brave souls tried them on Mooneys after they were STCd. I believe universally they removed them, as they cost 5 kts on the laminar flow wing. Maybe not an issue with the -10, but would be worth some before and after testing to know. Robin Marks wrote: > I added VGs to my souped up, mint condition Cherokee 140. The VGs made > a 3-4 MPH difference in the stall speed there by really reducing the > touchdown speed and ground roll. As far as the top end it is difficult > to tell as full power forward was unchanged at a brisk walking pace L > > I doubt Columbia drivers will know as they either have them or they > dont. Those certified guys dont take hardware on and off like garage > builders. > > I vaguely remember that there was minimal top end loss for some of the > Cessna (high wing) VG packages but again high speeds are not their > forte. When is the last time you saw a 182 fly by? Yawn > > > > Robin > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Cox > Tim (James) did not report that to be the case. His testimony will be > First Person. The manufacturer up in Washington also thought > differently on "certain models of aircraft" so YMMV. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Crossing the border blues
Date: Jul 17, 2009
I would do it now and then check what the rules are a month or so before the trip. I have been going to kosh since 1997 and every year since 911 the rules change. Usually for the worse. Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone On 2009-07-17, at 2:41 PM, Rene Felker wrote: > Sorry to say, same guys are running the auto/bank/..etc in the us. > > > How long is the login good for? I am not planning on crossing the > boarder soon, but you never know. Do you think I should get one now > just in case I decide to do A fall trip up to the =9Ccorrect =9D side > of the 49th? > > > Rene' Felker > > RV-10 N423CF Flying > > 801-721-6080 > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:29 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Crossing the border blues > > > Hi > > > This is a heads up for anyone on the correct side of the 49th who > plans to head to KOSH. Apparently the CBP section of DHS has changed > entry rules again. I called a nearby port of entry for the current > rules and found out that the Form 178 that had to be faxed last year > now has to be filed electronically. The kicker is that the EAPIS > system takes, according to the website, 5-7 days to issue an ID. > Without the ID you can=99t file the form which means no flying into th > e US from Canada. > > > What is absolutely hilarious is that you have to file notification > of your exit from the US when returning to Canada. I defy anyone to > find logic in that. > > > Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this > process aren=99t the same ones who are now running the auto / bank / h > ealth / industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy. > > > Cheers > > > Les =9Choping for an ID by next Thursday=9D > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Door Strap Location
Date: Jul 17, 2009
I'm considering a leather strap to pull the door closed... appx 1' long running along the lower inside edge of the door. The ideal location for this strap would be both reachable and result in the door pulling in evenly (fore and aft) when held in the center. It seems to me that that could be one of two locations... centered in the length of the door or centered on a line drawn down between the two hinge points. Does anyone flying have a feel for where that might be? Jeff Carpenter 40304 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Eyeball Vents
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Hi I have a bit of a plug or Stien's eyeball vents. I recently purchased the Aveo vents from ACS and found that they didn't seal very well when closed. I returned them and ordered the vents from Stein. I was mightily impressed - they sealed completely with negligible leakage. They are truly well made - as is claimed on Stien's site. So if you need vents, my recommendation is to go with Stein. Cheers Les ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: GPS Antenna Placement
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Hi As I work my way through canopy hell, I am wondering about the placement of my GPS antenna. Is there any reason it cannot be mounted on the tail cone, just aft of the canopy. I understand it should be mounted as high as possible, but given the canopy is f/g, I was wondering if the tail cone would be acceptable. Comments front the antenna mavens appreciated. Inquiring minds need to know. Les #40643 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Door Strap Location
I looked quite a few places and finally found these at an $8.98 store in Ro seville Ca.- They were perfect, and only $1.98.- I cut them to length, and then had them sew up.- They work perfect.... so nice to be able-to just reach up and close the door. Don McDonald #40636 - 55 hours FLYING --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Jeff Carpenter wrote: From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com> Subject: RV10-List: Door Strap Location Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 3:04 PM I'm considering a leather strap to pull the door closed... appx 1' long run ning along the lower inside edge of the door.- The ideal location for thi s strap would be both reachable and result in the door pulling in evenly (f ore and aft) when held in the center.- It seems to me that that could be one of two locations... centered in the length of the door or centered on a line drawn down between the two hinge points.- Does anyone flying have a feel for where that might be? Jeff Carpenter 40304 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <rebrunk42(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Placement
Date: Jul 17, 2009
I put the gps antennas in a recess in the center of the canopy Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 520 Lawrence St. Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert(at)brunklaw.com On Jul 17, 2009, at 7:41 PM, "Les Kearney" wrote: > Hi > > > As I work my way through canopy hell, I am wondering about the > placement of my GPS antenna. Is there any reason it cannot be > mounted on the tail cone, just aft of the canopy. I understand it > should be mounted as high as possible, but given the canopy is f/g, > I was wondering if the tail cone would be acceptable. Comments front > the antenna mavens appreciated. > > > Inquiring minds need to know. > > > Les > > #40643 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Placement
Les, I'm not maven, but my gyro stabilized gimble mounted GPS antenna pylon seems to be working just fine ;-) . Seriously, I have one GPS antenna mounted on the tailcone just aft of the fiberglass cabin cover, and the other on the highpoint of the cabin cover. I haven't noticed a difference in reception. Deems Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > > > As I work my way through canopy hell, I am wondering about the > placement of my GPS antenna. Is there any reason it cannot be mounted > on the tail cone, just aft of the canopy. I understand it should be > mounted as high as possible, but given the canopy is f/g, I was > wondering if the tail cone would be acceptable. Comments front the > antenna mavens appreciated. > > > > Inquiring minds need to know. > > > > Les > > #40643 > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Placement
Yeah, when are you going to show us your AWACS pylon? Deems Davis wrote: > > Les, I'm not maven, but my gyro stabilized gimble mounted GPS antenna > pylon seems to be working just fine ;-) . > > Seriously, I have one GPS antenna mounted on the tailcone just aft of > the fiberglass cabin cover, and the other on the highpoint of the cabin > cover. I haven't noticed a difference in reception. > > Deems > > Les Kearney wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> As I work my way through canopy hell, I am wondering about the >> placement of my GPS antenna. Is there any reason it cannot be mounted >> on the tail cone, just aft of the canopy. I understand it should be >> mounted as high as possible, but given the canopy is f/g, I was >> wondering if the tail cone would be acceptable. Comments front the >> antenna mavens appreciated. >> >> >> >> Inquiring minds need to know. >> >> >> >> Les >> >> #40643 >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: GPS Antenna Placement
Date: Jul 17, 2009
Thanks Deems Hmmm. I may go with the tail cone as it will be an easier install for me. Cheers Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: July-17-09 9:04 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS Antenna Placement Les, I'm not maven, but my gyro stabilized gimble mounted GPS antenna pylon seems to be working just fine ;-) . Seriously, I have one GPS antenna mounted on the tailcone just aft of the fiberglass cabin cover, and the other on the highpoint of the cabin cover. I haven't noticed a difference in reception. Deems Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > > > As I work my way through canopy hell, I am wondering about the > placement of my GPS antenna. Is there any reason it cannot be mounted > on the tail cone, just aft of the canopy. I understand it should be > mounted as high as possible, but given the canopy is f/g, I was > wondering if the tail cone would be acceptable. Comments front the > antenna mavens appreciated. > > > > Inquiring minds need to know. > > > > Les > > #40643 > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2009
From: dogsbark(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Stewart Systems Primer Sealer
Hi Dave, I used Stewart Systems=C2-exclusively during my portion of the build.=C2 - =C2-Wings, Fuse, and Emp.=C2- I thought it was great.=C2- If you see "blotches" it needs thinned.=C2- I think you can thin it up to one th ird water (that's too much).=C2- I found the key was putting on a very th in coat first and letting it setup a little before=C2-the next was applie d.=C2- I would use it again. I used the cheap touch up gun from Harbor Freight and it was perfect for th e task.=C2- Clean up was easy, too. Plenty of pics and some narrative at:=C2- http://websites.expercraft.com/ seanb/ Good luck, Sean=C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <fritzsch(at)eskimo.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:32:04 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: RV10-List: Stewart Systems Primer Sealer mo.com> I asked this question a while back and got no response. =C2-I will try again as things may have changed. =C2-Has anyone used Stewart Systems Primer Sealer to prime the inside of their aircraft? =C2-It is water base d making it much safer for the environment and the person spraying it. =C2- It can be seen at www.stewartsystems.aero. =C2-If you have used it, what is your experience? =C2-How does it compare to a two-part epoxy primer? =C2 -I am tempted to try it, but would like some user experience reports prior to jumping into the water. Dave -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Fritzsche 40813 tail cone nearly finished Puyallup, WA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Crossing the border blues - Redux
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Hi Again While skimming an EAA newsletter email tonight, I just found out that the eAPIS system is not the only system that we foreigners have to contend with when entering the US. Apparently, there is also a TSA airspace waiver. The link to this website is below: http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/tsnm/general_aviation/airspace_waiver_forms.sh tm >From what I can see, it appears that this waiver is not required for a/c with a transponder. Has anyone had experience with this system and if so can you confirm that it does not apply light singles. Cheers Les ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Crossing the border blues
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Last year you could pay for the US Customs sticker when you landed back in the US as opposed to applying for it in advance. 2 new problems for me when flying to Mexico: Mexican insurance for experimentals through Baja Bush Pilots took a jump from $100/yr to $400/yr and in October 406 ELT's are mandatory down there. Also, a new requirement to have the hitherto ignored radiotelephone operators license with you. If you have one of these you might be an old guy. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ PS: I've also heard something about a new requirement for a station license for the plane. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Crossing the border blues
Date: Jul 18, 2009
I'm not quite am old guy yet but in 2009 I got both the station license and radiotelephone permit. If you're planning some cool tropical trips you may as well just get them. One is 10 year, and the other is lifetime. I hate Mexican (or other foreign) jails. ;) Tim On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:35 AM, "Albert Gardner" wrote: > > > > Last year you could pay for the US Customs sticker when you landed > back in > the US as opposed to applying for it in advance. 2 new problems for > me when > flying to Mexico: Mexican insurance for experimentals through Baja > Bush > Pilots took a jump from $100/yr to $400/yr and in October 406 ELT's > are > mandatory down there. Also, a new requirement to have the hitherto > ignored > radiotelephone operators license with you. If you have one of these > you > might be an old guy. > Albert Gardner > Yuma, AZ > PS: I've also heard something about a new requirement for a station > license > for the plane. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Subject: Re: Crossing the border blues
From: Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net>
On 7/17/2009 3:29 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this process > arent the same ones who are now running the auto / bank / health / > industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy. Hi Les, fortunately we got rid of those "mental giants" last November. Unfortunately it seems their same evil minions are still in place within the dark caverns of DHS/TSA, so it doesn't seem we are much better off with the new set of "mental giants" that were voted in. The "change" I am looking for is the elimination of the DHS and TSA, the Patriot Act, and the DMCA, but I'm not holding my breath. I think I'll go sniff some fiberglass resin today to take my mind off it. :-) -Dj, completely and utterly frustrated with our totalitarian-minded government ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <rebrunk42(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 18, 2009
John,will the upgrade you describe fit on the van supplied wheels and allow the attachment of my standard fairings ? Can you tell me or send pics of such a mod? Where do I get the safer mil spec fluid? Robert N661G in hot Arizona leaving back to Texas coast in the am Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 520 Lawrence St. Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert(at)brunklaw.com On Jul 16, 2009, at 2:46 PM, "John Cox" wrote: > Robert, > > I am going with 0.375" thick rotors and dual pad calipers per side to > spread the force. A couple of RV-x main landing gear caliper fires > that > consumed the glass pant caused a few to change from H-5606 a few years > back. The flame propagation was right below each main AVGAS fuel tank. > Fiberglass fires are a perverted thing to watch. So take a test sample > and learn by experiment not experience how the cured resin and glass > strands come to life until gone. Mine was watching a '69 Vette being > prepped for custom paint. > > VANS mantra is stay conservative with the brakes and build your kit > bone > stock. Some of us tend to lean into the wind - just for the fresh sea > breeze in the summer. With a Barrett and Forsling Exhaust, the brake > upgrade was an easy choice. Ask about VGs for the RV-10 at OSH. > > Mil H-83282 provides another level of combustion protection. I have > found that H-5606 tends to coagulate with age. Its low flash point is > routinely accepted by most builders without consideration of > alternatives. > > Some will yell "Stay off the brakes and learn Happy Feet". Then your > neighborhood A&P will explain how proper engine leaning and a higher > idle than 700 or 800 will cause the aircraft to move in a forward > direction requiring those darned toes again. > > Fly Often, Fly Safe, Earn your grey hair over time. Take a Grandchild > for a Young Eagles flight. Stop by Camp Condrey for a beer. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Brunkenhoefer > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:00 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? > > > > are you using this upgrade on your rv10? > On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:24 PM, John Cox wrote: > >> >> The larger mass of an upgraded rotor can assist cooling as can a >> larger >> caliper. The technical support at Cleveland can assist in beginning >> with their parts used and larger upgrades. Tim James did a great job >> with OEM Cessna. There is also Beringer. Beyond the benefit of >> cooler >> temperatures is the shorter stopping distance at the same speed and >> same >> weight. Don't forget to think about a fluid upgrade as H-5606 is >> more >> combustible than alternatives. Once a brake line leaks the chain >> reaction begins. >> >> John Cox >> , >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert >> Brunkenhoefer >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:14 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? >> >> >> >> Anyone using other than Cleveland brakes mine are getting hot and >> wearing out too fast.any other brakes recommended or being used? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Robert E. Brunkenhoefer >> Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. >> 520 Lawrence St. >> Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 >> Phone: 361-888-8808 >> Facsimile: 361-888-6753 >> robert(at)brunklaw.com >> >> On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Linn Walters >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> That, and the fact that the wing is 'Hershey bar' shape. I think >>> winglets would be far more efficient on a swept wing. >>> Linn >>> >>> orchidman wrote: >>>> >>>> I asked this question in the Vans tent 2 years ago and was blown >>>> off because they didn't think it would add any significant >>>> performance. Something about having relatively short wings. >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> Gary Blankenbiller >>>> RV10 - # 40674 >>>> (N2GB Flying) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253329#253329 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Robert, I got my 83282 brake fluid from SkyGeek: http://www.skygeek.com/royco-782-synthetic-fire-resistant-hydraulic-fluid.html They also sell a 1 gallon can. I don't know if it's necessary but I also changed the o-rings in the calipers to Viton. Those are part # V1000-224 at http://www.allorings.com Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253664#253664 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 Gear Collapse Yesterday?
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Bill has posted a report on the Alternative Engines forum of Van's Air Force. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253665#253665 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Second Battery location
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2009
I have decided to add an Odyssey PC 680 as a second battery, but I've already finished the wiring setup using Van's battery tray and an Odyssey 925L. I hate to put it in the baggage area and was wondering if anybody had any comments on building a new battery tray above the existing one. I was thinking that a couple of angles between the longerons combined with a vertical anchored to the existing stock tray might be rigid enough for a 680. Looking for comments and suggestions. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253667#253667 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: gear collapse
Date: Jul 18, 2009
Took a little research to fin it so posting it here <http://www.vansairforce.com/community/member.php?u=190> gipsowh gipsowh is offline <http://www.vansairforce.com/community/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif> Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Conroe, Texas Posts: 41 <http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=38462&page=10&highli ght=RV10#> Send a message via AIM to gipsowh Unhappy <http://www.vansairforce.com/community/images/icons/icon9.gif> Gear Collapse Incident _____ Yes, its true, N730WL was damaged Thursday afternoon during a test flight and subsequent emergency landing. Pilot, Bud Warren and I were taking the 10 for a flight around the airport to check out a high operating temperature problem. We took off after a long taxi and climbed normally, however the engine temperature kept climbing even after leveling off. For unknown reasons the engine seemed to quit making power. Bud skillfully banked back toward the runways. Not a good situation. A discussion with Bud today leads me to believe that the high engine temperature may have exceeded an operating parameter in the ECM and the engine reverted to a low power setting. This has yet to be confirmed but obviously needs to be addressed if this is indeed the problem. Bud managed to get the airplane back to the airport sacrificing altitude and speed without stalling. Incredible job by Bud to get us back to the runway. However, once over the runway, we were too slow and the plane mushed onto the runway rather hard. We bounced and skidded to a stop on the collapsed main gear. Fortunately, there was no fire and Bud and I were able to get out of the 10 without any injuries, Thank God. Unfortunately, there was considerable damage to the main landing gear and the prop was destroyed. The steps kept the bottom of the fuselage off the runway while we skidded, so no noticeable damage to the fuselage skin or tail. The wings didn't hit the ground but there is some minor damage from the gear folding up. I haven't looked at the landing gear mounts yet or the spar. So I don't know at this ten seconds the full extent of the damage. This project has been five years in the making and this is a tough pill for me to swallow. I really appreciate the concerns voiced. Will try and keep you posted on any new developments or findings. __________________ Bill Gipson N730WL LS1 Geareddrives powered RV-10 Conroe, Texas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Extra battery
Date: Jul 18, 2009
-----Original Message----- From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net] Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:32 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: W&B update Exterior and interior views -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjay Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: W&B update [quote="dlm46007(at)cox.net"]Just completed the first annual and re weighed after installing the extra battery. The new weight is 1666 and a cg of 108.13. installing the 680 on the firewall moved the CG about an inch forward. I won't feel any anxiety loading 100 pounds in the baggage area (35 pounds of tools and 65 pounds of family things). Based on a previous weight I calculate the battery at 15 and the paint at 21. > [b] Can you show us where you placed the 680 in the front? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242523#242523 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Second Battery location
From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
Date: Jul 19, 2009
John, Just a thought but a small tray just ahead of the main battery tray with the 680 turned 90 degrees. I used two 680s in a Mike Sausen designed/modified tray...the airplane cranks and runs fine on just one...so I'm very happy with those batteries.. Rick Sked N246RS ------Original Message------ From: johngoodman Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Jul 18, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: RV10-List: Second Battery location I have decided to add an Odyssey PC 680 as a second battery, but I've already finished the wiring setup using Van's battery tray and an Odyssey 925L. I hate to put it in the baggage area and was wondering if anybody had any comments on building a new battery tray above the existing one. I was thinking that a couple of angles between the longerons combined with a vertical anchored to the existing stock tray might be rigid enough for a 680. Looking for comments and suggestions. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253667#253667 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stewart Systems Primer Sealer
From: "ddnebert" <doug(at)mapcontext.com>
Date: Jul 18, 2009
I have been using the Stewart Systems smoke grey primer/sealer for all of the interior surfaces and used some spray can etch primer (green) for small batches and odd pieces that I didn't want to set up and clean for. If you mix it with ~20% or less water and use it patiently in warm temperatures -- spray a tack coat, let dry and continue, it has worked great. I am contemplating priming the exterior this summer in a 'temporary garage' tent-like structure in the driveway while the temps are good and before it all comes together. Just as with framing and wallboard, I don't mind doing the basic first stages, but I am reluctant to do the finish coat painting myself. I am hoping to find a shop familiar with the SS paints for the finish paint job. >From what I hear, the water-soluble paints will be prevalent in the future given VOC handling issues (equip and cost) -------- RV-10 Builder #40546 Tail mostly done, wings complete, middle of SB fuse Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253687#253687 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aileron Rigging - how is it done? HELP
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2009
Ok - Ok - this has probably been discussed before, but please anybody explain the procedure.$%&*?&%#@^&%# I have the flaps installed and the inboard edges are flush with the bottom of the fuselage. I have the large (in-the-wing) aileron push-rod adjusted at 2.28" from the fuel tank skin (to the center of the bolt). The W-730 measuring do-hickey is in place on the outer crank and is tight against the spar in the wing. Question - If I adjust the length of the small aileron push-rod that goes to the aileron itself - will I automatically get the specified up/down limits. And if I do not how do I finesse the push rods to get those limits????? Lastly a really stupid question. How are those angles measured with an electronic level. Is Zero degrees what would appear to be a straight line across the top of airfoil? Or is it an imaginary line down the middle of the airfoil? If it is the latter - how do you extrapolate that line? This end game stuff can make a sane person crazzzzzzzzzzy. -------- OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday Q/B Kit - end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253692#253692 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Extra battery
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2009
Is that the stock battery box that Van's sells for the RV-7? John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253703#253703 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2009
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
A couple years back I made the decision to switch to 83282 because of the increased flash point of the fluid. Down side is you can only get it a large quantity so you will end up with enough to build 10 aircraft or you can sell it off to your other building mates and come out even. Another thing of note it that Vetterman has developed a new exhaust for the James Cowl and Barrett cold air combination that looks to do a better job at balancing the exhaust than his original for $1895. More info here: http://www.vettermanexhaust.com/ It's a fairly straight forward process to have his ceramic coated like the Forsling and you will still come in a few hundred less. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? Robert, I am going with 0.375" thick rotors and dual pad calipers per side to spread the force. A couple of RV-x main landing gear caliper fires that consumed the glass pant caused a few to change from H-5606 a few years back. The flame propagation was right below each main AVGAS fuel tank. Fiberglass fires are a perverted thing to watch. So take a test sample and learn by experiment not experience how the cured resin and glass strands come to life until gone. Mine was watching a '69 Vette being prepped for custom paint. VANS mantra is stay conservative with the brakes and build your kit bone stock. Some of us tend to lean into the wind - just for the fresh sea breeze in the summer. With a Barrett and Forsling Exhaust, the brake upgrade was an easy choice. Ask about VGs for the RV-10 at OSH. Mil H-83282 provides another level of combustion protection. I have found that H-5606 tends to coagulate with age. Its low flash point is routinely accepted by most builders without consideration of alternatives. Some will yell "Stay off the brakes and learn Happy Feet". Then your neighborhood A&P will explain how proper engine leaning and a higher idle than 700 or 800 will cause the aircraft to move in a forward direction requiring those darned toes again. Fly Often, Fly Safe, Earn your grey hair over time. Take a Grandchild for a Young Eagles flight. Stop by Camp Condrey for a beer. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? are you using this upgrade on your rv10? On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:24 PM, John Cox wrote: > > The larger mass of an upgraded rotor can assist cooling as can a > larger caliper. The technical support at Cleveland can assist in > beginning with their parts used and larger upgrades. Tim James did a > great job with OEM Cessna. There is also Beringer. Beyond the benefit > of cooler temperatures is the shorter stopping distance at the same > speed and same weight. Don't forget to think about a fluid upgrade as > H-5606 is more combustible than alternatives. Once a brake line leaks > the chain reaction begins. > > John Cox > , > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Brunkenhoefer > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:14 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? > > > > Anyone using other than Cleveland brakes mine are getting hot and > wearing out too fast.any other brakes recommended or being used? > > Sent from my iPhone > > Robert E. Brunkenhoefer > Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. > 520 Lawrence St. > Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 > Phone: 361-888-8808 > Facsimile: 361-888-6753 > robert(at)brunklaw.com > > On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Linn Walters > wrote: > > >> >> >> That, and the fact that the wing is 'Hershey bar' shape. I think >> winglets would be far more efficient on a swept wing. >> Linn >> >> orchidman wrote: >>> >>> I asked this question in the Vans tent 2 years ago and was blown off >>> because they didn't think it would add any significant performance. >>> Something about having relatively short wings. >>> >>> -------- >>> Gary Blankenbiller >>> RV10 - # 40674 >>> (N2GB Flying) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253329#253329 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
From: John Cox <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2009
EAA chapter involvement is a great way to share the investment in safer Mil H-83282. John Cox From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Sun 7/19/2009 6:44 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? ausen.net> A couple years back I made the decision to switch to 83282 because of the increased flash point of the fluid. Down side is you can only get it a la rge quantity so you will end up with enough to build 10 aircraft or you can sell it off to your other building mates and come out even. Another thing of note it that Vetterman has developed a new exhaust for t he James Cowl and Barrett cold air combination that looks to do a better jo b at balancing the exhaust than his original for $1895. More info here: http://www.vettermanexhaust.com/ It's a fairly straight forward process to have his ceramic coated like th e Forsling and you will still come in a few hundred less. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? Robert, I am going with 0.375" thick rotors and dual pad calipers per side to sprea d the force. A couple of RV-x main landing gear caliper fires that consume d the glass pant caused a few to change from H-5606 a few years back. The f lame propagation was right below each main AVGAS fuel tank. Fiberglass fires are a perverted thing to watch. So take a test sample and learn by experiment not experience how the cured resin and glass strands co me to life until gone. Mine was watching a '69 Vette being prepped for cust om paint. VANS mantra is stay conservative with the brakes and build your kit bone st ock. Some of us tend to lean into the wind - just for the fresh sea breeze in the summer. With a Barrett and Forsling Exhaust, the brake upgrade was an easy choice. Ask about VGs for the RV-10 at OSH. Mil H-83282 provides another level of combustion protection. I have found that H-5606 tends to coagulate with age. Its low flash point is routinely a ccepted by most builders without consideration of alternatives. Some will yell "Stay off the brakes and learn Happy Feet". Then your neigh borhood A&P will explain how proper engine leaning and a higher idle than 7 00 or 800 will cause the aircraft to move in a forward direction requiring those darned toes again. Fly Often, Fly Safe, Earn your grey hair over time. Take a Grandchild for a Young Eagles flight. Stop by Camp Condrey for a beer. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenho efer Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? are you using this upgrade on your rv10? On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:24 PM, John Cox wrote: > > The larger mass of an upgraded rotor can assist cooling as can a > larger caliper. The technical support at Cleveland can assist in > beginning with their parts used and larger upgrades. Tim James did a > great job with OEM Cessna. There is also Beringer. Beyond the benefit > of cooler temperatures is the shorter stopping distance at the same > speed and same weight. Don't forget to think about a fluid upgrade as > H-5606 is more combustible than alternatives. Once a brake line leaks > the chain reaction begins. > > John Cox > , > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Brunkenhoefer > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:14 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? > > > > Anyone using other than Cleveland brakes mine are getting hot and > wearing out too fast.any other brakes recommended or being used? > > Sent from my iPhone > > Robert E. Brunkenhoefer > Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. > 520 Lawrence St. > Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 > Phone: 361-888-8808 > Facsimile: 361-888-6753 > robert(at)brunklaw.com > > On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Linn Walters > wrote: > > >> >> >> That, and the fact that the wing is 'Hershey bar' shape. I think >> winglets would be far more efficient on a swept wing. >> Linn >> >> orchidman wrote: >>> >>> I asked this question in the Vans tent 2 years ago and was blown off >>> because they didn't think it would add any significant performance. >>> Something about having relatively short wings. >>> >>> -------- >>> Gary Blankenbiller >>> RV10 - # 40674 >>> (N2GB Flying) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253329#253329 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: Aileron Rigging - how is it done? HELP
Date: Jul 19, 2009
If your flaps do not have a twist in them, then you get your angle by holding the aileron even with the flap when the flap is fully up (bottom skin even with fuse bottom skin and nose skin up against rear spar). Then with the neutral bracket in place on the aileron bellcrank, adjust the small aileron pushrod to fine-tune the position. When finished, move the aileron through its full range of motion and make sure there is no rubbing of pushrods on the wing structure. Next, do this on the other wing, then connect them together with the fuselage control linkages and verify that they hit both stops (with the elevator in neutral/trail) without any obstructions, and that the sticks are straight up when both ailerons are in neutral. It is easy to see neutral on the ailerons with the flaps up. If you hit the stops, then you should have full travel, as long as the ailerons line up with the flaps with the elevator in trail. The angle measurements shouldn't matter if you have straight flaps and they are all the way up. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Jul 19, 2009, at 2:05 AM, AirMike wrote: > > Ok - Ok - this has probably been discussed before, but please > anybody explain the procedure.$%&*?&%#@^&%# > > I have the flaps installed and the inboard edges are flush with the > bottom of the fuselage. I have the large (in-the-wing) aileron push- > rod adjusted at 2.28" from the fuel tank skin (to the center of the > bolt). The W-730 measuring do-hickey is in place on the outer crank > and is tight against the spar in the wing. > > Question - If I adjust the length of the small aileron push-rod that > goes to the aileron itself - will I automatically get the specified > up/down limits. And if I do not how do I finesse the push rods to > get those limits????? > > Lastly a really stupid question. How are those angles measured with > an electronic level. Is Zero degrees what would appear to be a > straight line across the top of airfoil? Or is it an imaginary line > down the middle of the airfoil? If it is the latter - how do you > extrapolate that line? > > This end game stuff can make a sane person crazzzzzzzzzzy. > > -------- > OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday > Q/B Kit - end game > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253692#253692 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Re: Winglts ?
Date: Jul 19, 2009
AS Lenny posted a few days ago, you can get 83282 in quart cans from Skygeek. http://www.skygeek.com/royco-782-synthetic-fire-resistant-hydraulic-fluid.ht ml -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 9:44 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Winglts ? A couple years back I made the decision to switch to 83282 because of the increased flash point of the fluid. Down side is you can only get it a large quantity so you will end up with enough to build 10 aircraft or you can sell it off to your other building mates and come out even. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Extra battery
Date: Jul 19, 2009
I think so but I got mine from Aircraft Spruce. I used .125 6061T6 1" angle for the back side. Tapped it a couple of places to hold in place and set (3) #4 nutplates for clamping the battery box. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:16 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Extra battery --> Is that the stock battery box that Van's sells for the RV-7? John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253703#253703 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Static Lines/Ports
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2009
We are watching YOU. signed Don Vito Collectione - Coinsigliere Wisconsin Dept of Revenue -------- OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday Q/B Kit - end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253740#253740 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Lean of Peak
Date: Jul 19, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
It looks like AOPA is all over LOP with a detailed article last month and now an online article & video. http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2009/july/frugal0907.html "the debate is over, the data is conclusive" quotes the video. Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2009
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: couple of ideas
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From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Lean of Peak
Date: Jul 19, 2009
concur. LOP usually nets 150 KTAS @ 8.5-9.0 gph approx 52% power CHTs (280-320) EGTs (1370-1410). Altitudes 10-13. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: RV10-List: Lean of Peak It looks like AOPA is all over LOP with a detailed article last month and now an online article & video. http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pilot/2009/july/frugal0907.html "the debate is over, the data is conclusive" quotes the video. Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Aileron Rigging - how is it done? HELP
Date: Jul 19, 2009
I suspect you will get a lot of responses on this. Here is mine: 1. The call outs on the push rods are to get you in the ball park. They are not the final lengths. 2. The hardest part in this is to get the aileron's rigged so that they are exactly in the trail position at the same time. Get this done first, and then do as many cross checks as possible to make sure they are exactly the same (straight edge coming off the bottom of the wing then measuring the height to the trailing edge, etc.). 3. While using the flaps as the indicator for aileron alignment is a good check, you first need to confirm the flaps themselves are correctly aligned and even. Control surface rigging is not a trivial task. During your test flight program you will probably find the need to adjust the rigging several times until you get it right. While the typical indication of a rigging problem is a heavy wing, there are other more subtle indications such as changing roll trim with speed. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (500 hrs) RV-10 (still sanding the doors to fit) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:06 AM Subject: RV10-List: Aileron Rigging - how is it done? HELP Ok - Ok - this has probably been discussed before, but please anybody explain the procedure.$%&*?&%#@^&%# I have the flaps installed and the inboard edges are flush with the bottom of the fuselage. I have the large (in-the-wing) aileron push-rod adjusted at 2.28" from the fuel tank skin (to the center of the bolt). The W-730 measuring do-hickey is in place on the outer crank and is tight against the spar in the wing. Question - If I adjust the length of the small aileron push-rod that goes to the aileron itself - will I automatically get the specified up/down limits. And if I do not how do I finesse the push rods to get those limits????? Lastly a really stupid question. How are those angles measured with an electronic level. Is Zero degrees what would appear to be a straight line across the top of airfoil? Or is it an imaginary line down the middle of the airfoil? If it is the latter - how do you extrapolate that line? This end game stuff can make a sane person crazzzzzzzzzzy. -------- OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday Q/B Kit - end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253692#253692 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2009
From: Darton Steve <sfdarton(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GPS Antenna Placement
The G1000 installation on our company Cessna Corvalis (formerly Columbia 400) has the #1 GPS antenna mounted externally on a short pylon just aft of the cabin. The #2 antenna is mounted aft of that internally. The GPS signal reception is "certified aircraft" exceptional in all phases of flight. Steve 40212 --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Les Kearney wrote: > From: Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca> > Subject: RV10-List: GPS Antenna Placement > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:41 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > As I work my way > through canopy hell, I am wondering about > the placement of my GPS antenna. Is there any reason it > cannot be mounted on > the tail cone, just aft of the canopy. I understand it > should be mounted as > high as possible, but given the canopy is f/g, I was > wondering if the tail cone > would be acceptable. Comments front the antenna mavens > appreciated. > > > > > Inquiring minds > need to know. > > > > > Les > > > #40643 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris and Susie" <vhicy(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: power chart
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Would someone would have a power chart for a IO540 N1A5 please Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2009
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: power chart
Here ya go... - Don McDonald --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Chris and Susie wrote: From: Chris and Susie <vhicy(at)bigpond.com> Subject: RV10-List: power chart Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 5:52 PM Would someone would have a power chart for a IO540 N1A5 please Chris le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Second Battery location
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2009
Thanks to all, I've gotten several private comments and it probably makes more sense putting it on the firewall. Found a great place - the cabin side of the firewall above the co-pilot pedals. Had to move the brake reservoir, but no big deal. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253812#253812 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2009
Subject: Re: power chart
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Is that not the last version of the engine in Comanche 260? I doubt the power chart would differ from the earlier version Vans sells. On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Chris and Susie wrote: > > Would someone would have a power chart for a IO540 N1A5 please > > Chris > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris and Susie" <vhicy(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: power chart
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Thanks Don but thats for a D model not N. But thanks anyway. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Don McDonald To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: power chart Here ya go... Don McDonald --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Chris and Susie wrote: From: Chris and Susie <vhicy(at)bigpond.com> Subject: RV10-List: power chart To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 5:52 PM Would someone would have a power chart for a IO540 N1A5 please Ch --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2009
Subject: Re: power chart
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
IO-540-N1A5 Similar to -D4A5 but with O-540-G1A5 crankcase and crankshaft and -K1A5 counterweight assembly Nothing there that will make one iota of difference in power, just perhaps a hair smoother. On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Chris and Susie wrote: > Thanks Don but thats for a D model not N. But thanks anyway. > > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Don McDonald > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2009 11:54 AM > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: power chart > > Here ya go... > > Don McDonald > > --- On *Sun, 7/19/09, Chris and Susie * wrote: > > > From: Chris and Susie <vhicy(at)bigpond.com> > Subject: RV10-List: power chart > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 5:52 PM > > > Would someone would have a power chart for a IO540 N1A5 please > > Ch --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris and Susie" <vhicy(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: power chart
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Thanks Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly McMullen To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 1:30 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: power chart IO-540-N1A5 Similar to -D4A5 but with O-540-G1A5 crankcase and crankshaft and -K1A5 counterweight assembly Nothing there that will make one iota of difference in power, just perhaps a hair smoother. On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Chris and Susie wrote: Thanks Don but thats for a D model not N. But thanks anyway. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Don McDonald To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: power chart Here ya go... Don McDonald --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Chris and Susie wrote: From: Chris and Susie <vhicy(at)bigpond.com> Subject: RV10-List: power chart To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 5:52 PM Would someone would have a power chart for a IO540 N1A5 please Ch -->
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Date: Jul 19, 2009
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: Second Battery location
Pictures please when you can John.=0A=0ARegards=0A=0APatrick=0A=0ADo Not Ar chive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: johngoodman <j ohngoodman(at)earthlink.net>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, 20 July, 2009 11:26:52 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Re: Second Battery location=0A t>=0A=0AThanks to all, I've gotten several private comments and it probably makes more sense putting it on the firewall. Found a great place - the cab in side of the firewall above the co-pilot pedals. Had to move the brake re servoir, but no big deal.=0AJohn=0A=0A--------=0A#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit started.=0AN711JG reserved=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this top ic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253812#2 ======================0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________ ____________=0AAccess Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere.=0ASho w me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2009
Subject: Re: wiggly step syndrome
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
I finally finished installation of Bob's step bushings. They fit perfect, though they did require a little extra "push" to get in place, due to some small burrs in the bolt holes. Also, I enlarged the holes in the steps to accept an AN4 bolt. Hard to say definitively whether the extra tension of the 1/4" bolt or the bushing (or both) made the difference, but my steps are rock solid now. -Rob On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Jay Brinkmeyer wrote: > > > I recently received a couple of beautifully machined bushings to preempt > the wiggly step syndrome. A couple of observations: > > * One of my steps wiggled ever so slightly. My theory why this is so is > that the step holes weren't drilled perfectly perpendicular. Thus the AN3 > bolt can't grip quite enough... and the step would exhibit more wiggle over > time. > > * Using machined bushings sounds good, but they may not fit right if holes > are already drilled through the WD-1007 step and WD-1008 mounting bracket... > unless your holes are just about perfect. > > * If anyone hasn't yet drilled their step and wants a pair of "new" > bushings, mine can be had for $23 including shipping ($33 otherwise). > Contact me offline if interested. > > * Replacing the AN-3 bolts with AN-4 bolts made a huge difference. Once the > hardware was changed out there was no more step movement. > > * Step access panels rock. Step inspection / tightening / replacement would > be very difficult without having panels installed and I don't know how you'd > do it otherwise. I used a couple of extra Vans wing type access panel kits > for mine. > > * Gottcha - Note that the bolt on page 30-4 installed with the head on top. > Removing that bolt bolt after the fact requires lots of upwards clearance > and it just so happens that there's a riveted on side panel in the way. Even > with access panels removing the bolt is difficult. I ended up cutting mine > off and installing the new -4 hardware with the bolt head on the bottom. > > Now it's back to fiberglass work! > > Regards, > Jay > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Wings Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: wiggly step syndrome
Date: Jul 20, 2009
I just finished my steps two weeks ago. Other than adding Bob's step bushing, my were done per plans with an AN3 bolt. I did have to sand a little off the bushings to get them to fit, but it wasn't much. My steps are rock solid. Bob From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:23 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: wiggly step syndrome I finally finished installation of Bob's step bushings. They fit perfect, though they did require a little extra "push" to get in place, due to some small burrs in the bolt holes. Also, I enlarged the holes in the steps to accept an AN4 bolt. Hard to say definitively whether the extra tension of the 1/4" bolt or the bushing (or both) made the difference, but my steps are rock solid now. -Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2009
From: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Put me away!!!
Bad phone picture but you get the idea of the odd weather we had in Vegas this weekend..The rain gods opened up about 10 minutes later. Easier to race home when you can actually race!!! Rick Sked N246RS ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2009
From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Put me away!!!
Rick, -Looks good to me, I'll see you at SNF Patrick Thyssen --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Rick Sked wrote: From: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com> Subject: RV10-List: Put me away!!! Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 9:30 AM Bad phone picture but you get the idea of the odd weather we had in Vegas t his weekend..The rain gods opened up about 10 minutes later. Easier to race home when you can actually race!!! Rick Sked N246RS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vernon Smith <planesmith(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Second Battery location
Date: Jul 20, 2009
A little late to the party=2C but here is a link to how I mount my second b attery on the front of the tunnel. http://www.aviationstop.com/ Vern Smith (#324 fitting wings) From: johngoodman <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Monday=2C 20 July=2C 2009 11:26:52 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Second Battery location Thanks to all=2C I've gotten several private comments and it probably makes more sense putting it on the firewall. Found a great place - the cabin sid e of the firewall above the co-pilot pedals. Had to move the brake reservoi r=2C but no big deal. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage=2C wings finished. Finish Kit started. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253812#253812<="http://foru ms.matronics.com/" nbsp=3B --> Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how. _________________________________________________________________ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here. http://windowslive.com/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_MB_new_hotmail_072009 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2009
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Eyeball Vents
I like Stein's too. Haven't flown them or compared them but I was impressed with the design and quality. Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > I have a bit of a plug or Stiens eyeball vents. I recently purchased > the Aveo vents from ACS and found that they didnt seal very well when > closed. I returned them and ordered the vents from Stein. I was > mightily impressed they sealed completely with negligible leakage. > They are truly well made as is claimed on Stiens site. > > So if you need vents, my recommendation is to go with Stein. > > Cheers > > Les > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Deal on RG-400
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Found some RG-400 for a $1/ft. http://www.skycraftsurplus.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID 78 It usually sells for $2+ Just received it, and it's the real deal. Thought I pass it on. Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=253942#253942 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Subject: Re: Put me away!!!
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
That is normal weather in Aridzona during "monsoon" season. Swept several pounds of dust out of hangar this morning. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Rick Sked wrote: > Bad phone picture but you get the idea of the odd weather we had in Vegas > this weekend..The rain gods opened up about 10 minutes later. Easier to race > home when you can actually race!!! > > Rick Sked > N246RS > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vernon Smith <planesmith(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates?
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Hi All=2C My standard build fuselage kit came with 8ea. of the K 1000-6 (3/8"). This is in addition to the 7 ea. that comes with the empennage kit for the contr ol surface bearing mounts. Can anyone tell me where they go? I'm installing my wings and haven't found a home for them as of yet. Called Van's today and they weren=92t sure and could think of what they where the y would be used. Anyway I don't like extra hardware especially anything tha t is this big and load bearing. Thanks=2C Vern Smith (#324 attaching wings=2C finishing) _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGL M_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2009
It's official, Gary and I (and Brenda and Susan) are now on-site for the duration and all sites are staked out. We will tag them as soon as the registration office opens in the morning. We'll be in the same location as last year in Camp Scholler which is immediately south of Lindbergh along 55th (east and west sides of the road). We again have a "group site" with picnic tables and shade canopies for use. This is where we'll have a few large cookouts during the week - more info when it's figured out on that. It is the 4th site south of Lindbergh on the west side of 55th. http://www.airventure.org/planning/scholler_2009.pdf Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254013#254013 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2009
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Eyeball Vents
Just in case SOME other builders out there are on a budget.... and don't wa nt the leaky plastic vents.... I bought a bunch of aluminum swivel eyeball vents (and can get more) from a local aircraft recycle place.=C2- They=C2 -work great, and I only paid $10 each.=C2- They are a little smaller in diameter, but put out a bunch=C2-of air.=C2- I could probably buy them for $20 to $30 each.=C2-=C2-=C2-Who knows, maybe I could still get t hem for $10.=C2- Just let me know, and I'll make a trip over there. Don McDonald=C2- --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 10:47 AM .com> I like Stein's too. Haven't flown them or compared them but I was impressed with the design and quality. Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > I have a bit of a plug or Stien=99s eyeball vents. I recently purch ased the Aveo vents from ACS and found that they didn=99t seal very w ell when closed. I returned them and ordered the vents from Stein. I was mi ghtily impressed =93 they sealed completely with negligible leakage. They are truly well made =93 as is claimed on Stien=99s site. > > So if you need vents, my recommendation is to go with Stein. > > Cheers > > Les > > * > > > * S WEB FORUMS - on Web Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates?
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Better get used to it. Over the course of the build, you will buy many additional pieces of aircraft hardware, in addition the kit supplier will send wrong quantities and wrong length hardware. I have finished two aircraft and have at least 15 trays of spare hardware. The only thing to check is that all unique kit parts are used or accounted for. For example I wondered why I had two SS cables left for the 10, I then realized that because I installed inertial reel belts I did not need the SS cables through the rear baggage area. And yes the aircraft are flying. Glastar 500+ TT and RV10 180+ TT. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? Hi All, My standard build fuselage kit came with 8ea. of the K 1000-6 (3/8"). This is in addition to the 7 ea. that comes with the empennage kit for the control surface bearing mounts. Can anyone tell me where they go? I'm installing my wings and haven't found a home for them as of yet. Called Van's today and they weren't sure and could think of what they where they would be used. Anyway I don't like extra hardware especially anything that is this big and load bearing. Thanks, Vern Smith (#324 attaching wings, finishing) _____ Windows LiveT HotmailR: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. <http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_ WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates?
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Firewall? Don't have my plans and it has been awhile...just guessing. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? Hi All, My standard build fuselage kit came with 8ea. of the K 1000-6 (3/8"). This is in addition to the 7 ea. that comes with the empennage kit for the control surface bearing mounts. Can anyone tell me where they go? I'm installing my wings and haven't found a home for them as of yet. Called Van's today and they weren't sure and could think of what they where they would be used. Anyway I don't like extra hardware especially anything that is this big and load bearing. Thanks, Vern Smith (#324 attaching wings, finishing) _____ Windows LiveT HotmailR: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. <http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_ WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Neal George" <n8zg(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
Date: Jul 20, 2009
That's just mean. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! It's official, Gary and I (and Brenda and Susan) are now on-site for the duration and all sites are staked out. We will tag them as soon as the registration office opens in the morning. We'll be in the same location as last year in Camp Scholler which is immediately south of Lindbergh along 55th (east and west sides of the road). We again have a "group site" with picnic tables and shade canopies for use. This is where we'll have a few large cookouts during the week - more info when it's figured out on that. It is the 4th site south of Lindbergh on the west side of 55th. http://www.airventure.org/planning/scholler_2009.pdf Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254013#254013 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
Date: Jul 20, 2009
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
We'll be thinkin' of ya! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com> Sent: Mon Jul 20 18:02:11 2009 Subject: RE: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! That's just mean. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! It's official, Gary and I (and Brenda and Susan) are now on-site for the duration and all sites are staked out. We will tag them as soon as the registration office opens in the morning. We'll be in the same location as last year in Camp Scholler which is immediately south of Lindbergh along 55th (east and west sides of the road). We again have a "group site" with picnic tables and shade canopies for use. This is where we'll have a few large cookouts during the week - more info when it's figured out on that. It is the 4th site south of Lindbergh on the west side of 55th. http://www.airventure.org/planning/scholler_2009.pdf Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254013#254013 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2009
For those wondering about attendance, from what we can see in Camp Scholler it looks like there are more people here than at this time last year. Weather conditions have been very dry here - grass is long and a little crunchy. Fortunately, Michael Sausen has again dropped off a lawn mower for use. WiFi appears to be working great for me so far. Others have reported issues so we'll just have to see. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254043#254043 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick and Sandra Lark" <jrlark(at)bmts.com>
Subject: eAPIS
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Hi Les Being a fellow Canadian, I applied for an eApis last winter and have used it twice this spring/summer. I found the biggest problem was filling out the manifest. First time through it took me way over an hour to complete. When the reply did come it never stated yes I could cross the border, or no I couldn't, which lead to some confusion. The return email from DHS is entitled "Notification of receipt of Transmission". In it is a confirmation #. That's it However there was no request for the 178 form that was used previously by CBP. The most interesting part of this whole scenario was the CBP people where I cleared. They barely looked at our passports, and where more interested in how the elctronic filing went. Having said that, the customs guys certainly recognize me as I've crossed there lots of times before. Just make sure to give yourself lots of time to sent your manifest before you want to leave. Should not be a problem if your "ducks are in order" Hope to meet you at Airventure. Regards, Rick Southampton, Ont #40956 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Interior Door Handles
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Hi Probably the kindest thing that can be said about the Van's finishing hardware is that most look like they are ex the Mordor iron works. This is especially true of the interior door handles that look pretty cheap. Today I just received my brushed aluminum handles from David Nellis. They are a very nice bit of kit. Here is a link to some photos of the handles - the pix don't do them justice. http://davidnellis.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album18 Cheers Les #40643 - counting the days to a brewski at KOSH HQ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: eAPIS
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Hi Rick I'll look forward to meeting you as well. Assuming, of course, that I don't get arrested from smuggling a case of Koknnee across the border. Cheers Les #40643 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick and Sandra Lark Sent: July-20-09 8:51 PM Subject: RV10-List: eAPIS Hi Les Being a fellow Canadian, I applied for an eApis last winter and have used it twice this spring/summer. I found the biggest problem was filling out the manifest. First time through it took me way over an hour to complete. When the reply did come it never stated yes I could cross the border, or no I couldn't, which lead to some confusion. The return email from DHS is entitled "Notification of receipt of Transmission". In it is a confirmation #. That's it However there was no request for the 178 form that was used previously by CBP. The most interesting part of this whole scenario was the CBP people where I cleared. They barely looked at our passports, and where more interested in how the elctronic filing went. Having said that, the customs guys certainly recognize me as I've crossed there lots of times before. Just make sure to give yourself lots of time to sent your manifest before you want to leave. Should not be a problem if your "ducks are in order" Hope to meet you at Airventure. Regards, Rick Southampton, Ont #40956 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Eyeball Vents
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jul 20, 2009
I'd like to sign up for two. (Located in Bay area). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254052#254052 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates?
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jul 20, 2009
I called Vans about a shortage, and asked if the nutplates were in a different kit. They said they didn't know, they just sent me more. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254053#254053 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Andrew Johnson" <noconwud(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Eyeball Vents
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Could I buy a couple from you? I live in VA, so that may be a problem. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Don McDonald To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents Just in case SOME other builders out there are on a budget.... and don't want the leaky plastic vents.... I bought a bunch of aluminum swivel eyeball vents (and can get more) from a local aircraft recycle place. They work great, and I only paid $10 each. They are a little smaller in diameter, but put out a bunch of air. I could probably buy them for $20 to $30 each. Who knows, maybe I could still get them for $10. Just let me know, and I'll make a trip over there. Don McDonald --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 10:47 AM I like Stein's too. Haven't flown them or compared them but I was impressed with the design and quality. Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > I have a bit of a plug or Stien=99s eyeball vents. I recently purchased the Aveo vents from ACS and found that they didn=99t seal very well when closed. I returned them and ordered the vents from Stein. I was mightily impressed =93 they sealed completely with negligible leakage. They are truly well made =93 as is claimed on Stien=99s site. > > So if you need vents, my recommendation is to go with Stein. > > Cheers > > Les > > * > > > sp; --> http:======================= http://====================== = ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Is there any Wi-Fi this year? Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! > > It's official, Gary and I (and Brenda and Susan) are now on-site for the > duration and all sites are staked out. We will tag them as soon as the > registration office opens in the morning. > > We'll be in the same location as last year in Camp Scholler which is > immediately south of Lindbergh along 55th (east and west sides of the > road). We again have a "group site" with picnic tables and shade > canopies for use. This is where we'll have a few large cookouts during > the week - more info when it's figured out on that. It is the 4th site > south of Lindbergh on the west side of 55th. > > http://www.airventure.org/planning/scholler_2009.pdf > > Bob > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254013#254013 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2009
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Eyeball Vents
Why would living in VA be a problem?=C2- We keep our boat there, maybe we can meet up. Don --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Andrew Johnson wrote: From: Andrew Johnson <noconwud(at)earthlink.net> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 8:33 PM =EF=BB Could I buy a couple from you?=C2- I live in VA, so that may be a problem .=C2- =C2- Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Don McDonald Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents Just in case SOME other builders out there are on a budget.... and don't wa nt the leaky plastic vents.... I bought a bunch of aluminum swivel eyeball vents (and can get more) from a local aircraft recycle place.=C2- They=C2 -work great, and I only paid $10 each.=C2- They are a little smaller in diameter, but put out a bunch=C2-of air.=C2- I could probably buy them for $20 to $30 each.=C2-=C2-=C2-Who knows, maybe I could still get t hem for $10.=C2- Just let me know, and I'll make a trip over there. Don McDonald=C2- --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 10:47 AM .com> I like Stein's too. Haven't flown them or compared them but I was impressed with the design and quality. Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > I have a bit of a plug or Stien=99s eyeball vents. I recently purch ased the Aveo vents from ACS and found that they didn=99t seal very w ell when closed. I returned them and ordered the vents from Stein. I was mi ghtily impressed =93 they sealed completely with negligible leakage. They are truly well made =93 as is claimed on Stien=99s site. > > So if you need vents, my recommendation is to go with Stein. > > Cheers > > Les > > * > > > sp;=C2-=C2---> =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Eyeball Vents
From: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Don, email sent. Tom H Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254068#254068 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
Date: Jul 21, 2009
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Yes, working pretty well too so far. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com> Sent: Mon Jul 20 21:42:52 2009 Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! Is there any Wi-Fi this year? Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! > > It's official, Gary and I (and Brenda and Susan) are now on-site for the > duration and all sites are staked out. We will tag them as soon as the > registration office opens in the morning. > > We'll be in the same location as last year in Camp Scholler which is > immediately south of Lindbergh along 55th (east and west sides of the > road). We again have a "group site" with picnic tables and shade > canopies for use. This is where we'll have a few large cookouts during > the week - more info when it's figured out on that. It is the 4th site > south of Lindbergh on the west side of 55th. > > http://www.airventure.org/planning/scholler_2009.pdf > > Bob > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254013#254013 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rudder Rivet Question
From: "BGS" <Brian.Steeves(at)Parkenna.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2009
I have just started my RV10 build and am now working on the rudder and have a question about getting at a rivet. When installing the bottom rib R1004 to the skin. There are the 2 rivets at the aft section where there is no room to get anything into buck the rivets. Can any help me with a better way to do them? Appreciate the help. Brian Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254081#254081 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: James Ochs <jochs(at)froody.org>
Subject: Re: Rudder Rivet Question
Date: Jul 21, 2009
One method is to back rivet it using a thin, flat piece of metal against the shop end of the rivet and use the flat set of the rivet gun... you put the gun on top of the metal right next to the rib and bang on the top of the metal. An old chisel works pretty well for this. Keep the rivet gun as close to the end of the chisel as you can. Sorry I don't have a picture of it, but hopefully you get the idea. Let me see if i can do an ascii art drawing ;) rivet gun | ------ upper rib flange \/ ----------------------------------------------------------> chisel/ flat piece of steel o shop head of rivet ----- rib flange you are riveting ------------- back rivet plate On Jul 21, 2009, at 8:13 AM, BGS wrote: > > I have just started my RV10 build and am now working on the rudder > and have a question about getting at a rivet. > > When installing the bottom rib R1004 to the skin. There are the 2 > rivets at the aft section where there is no room to get anything > into buck the rivets. > > Can any help me with a better way to do them? > > Appreciate the help. > Brian > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254081#254081 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rudder Rivet Question
Date: Jul 21, 2009
From: "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/DOA" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil>
Brian - If you have a pneumatic squeezer, a thin-nose, no-hole yoke may fit. A short piece of steel bar stock clamped in your vice may be used as a anvil - this takes an extra set of hands to support the rudder while you guide the rivet into position and shoot it. Or you could use a pop-rivet. Neal I have just started my RV10 build and am now working on the rudder and have a question about getting at a rivet. When installing the bottom rib R1004 to the skin. There are the 2 rivets at the aft section where there is no room to get anything into buck the rivets. Can any help me with a better way to do them? Appreciate the help. Brian ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "T.C. Chang" <tc1234c(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Rudder Rivet Question
Date: Jul 21, 2009
The plan calls out blind rivet for the last hole (check the manual for instruction). For the one before you can use the indirect riveting technique. If you are a member of EAA, here is the video: http://eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html?videoId=29739765001 Ted ------------------------------------------ T.C. Chang http://3limafoxtrot.com/ RV-9A, Lycoming (ECI) O320-D2A, 160 hp, Carb, left Mag + right Lightspeed EI, Sensenich FP GRT dual DU H1, TT DigiFlight II VSGV, 620 hrs Hobbs Last flight: http://www.mail2600.com/cgi-bin/track.cgi?call=KD8IIR&last=1 RV10 Wing, #40948, N718PF reserved -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BGS Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Rivet Question I have just started my RV10 build and am now working on the rudder and have a question about getting at a rivet. When installing the bottom rib R1004 to the skin. There are the 2 rivets at the aft section where there is no room to get anything into buck the rivets. Can any help me with a better way to do them? Appreciate the help. Brian Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254081#254081 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Eyeball Vents
Date: Jul 21, 2009
From: pilotdds(at)aol.com
I would also like two of them if its not to much troublr,what a great find.-Jim -----Original Message----- From: Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:25 pm Subject: RV10-List: Re: Eyeball Vents I'd like to sign up for two. (Located in Bay area). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254052#254052 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Re: Eyeball Vents
Date: Jul 21, 2009
I would also like 2 if that is possible. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:50 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Eyeball Vents I would also like two of them if its not to much troublr,what a great find.-Jim -----Original Message----- From: Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:25 pm Subject: RV10-List: Re: Eyeball Vents I'd like to sign up for two. (Located in Bay area). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254052#254052 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rudder Rivet Question
From: "BGS" <Brian.Steeves(at)Parkenna.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Thank you very much everyone for your help. Should have used a little more common sense and probably would have figured it out. Over analyzing. Appreciate the help. Brian Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254111#254111 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vernon Smith <planesmith(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates?
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Mystery Solved! Called Van's again this time with the hardware bag number ( 1379.) These nutplates are no longer included in the current fuselage kits. So they are just extra hardware. It just made me a little anxious to see s uch large hardware fittings left over after completion. Thanks to all those who jumped in with suggestions=2C Vern From: rene(at)felker.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? Date: Mon=2C 20 Jul 2009 18:10:59 -0600 Firewall? Don=92t have my plans and it has been awhile=85..just guessing. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Monday=2C July 20=2C 2009 5:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Extra K 1000-6 nutplates? Hi All=2C My standard build fuselage kit came with 8ea. of the K 1000-6 (3/8"). This is in addition to the 7 ea. that comes with the empennage kit for the contr ol surface bearing mounts. Can anyone tell me where they go? I'm installing my wings and haven't found a home for them as of yet. Called Van's today and they weren=92t sure and could think of what they where the y would be used. Anyway I don't like extra hardware especially anything tha t is this big and load bearing. Thanks=2C Vern Smith (#324 attaching wings=2C finishing) Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://fo rums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store=2C access=2C and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072 009 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Stella" <Sstella(at)incisaledge.com>
Subject: Rudder Rivet Question
Date: Jul 21, 2009
I used the chisel idea on the second to the end and a blind rivet on the last one. Steve Stella #40654 Wings N521RV reserved -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of T.C. Chang Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rudder Rivet Question The plan calls out blind rivet for the last hole (check the manual for instruction). For the one before you can use the indirect riveting technique. If you are a member of EAA, here is the video: http://eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html?videoId=29739765001 Ted ------------------------------------------ T.C. Chang http://3limafoxtrot.com/ RV-9A, Lycoming (ECI) O320-D2A, 160 hp, Carb, left Mag + right Lightspeed EI, Sensenich FP GRT dual DU H1, TT DigiFlight II VSGV, 620 hrs Hobbs Last flight: http://www.mail2600.com/cgi-bin/track.cgi?call=KD8IIR&last=1 RV10 Wing, #40948, N718PF reserved -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BGS Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Rivet Question I have just started my RV10 build and am now working on the rudder and have a question about getting at a rivet. When installing the bottom rib R1004 to the skin. There are the 2 rivets at the aft section where there is no room to get anything into buck the rivets. Can any help me with a better way to do them? Appreciate the help. Brian Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254081#254081 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <rebrunk42(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Eyeball Vents
Date: Jul 21, 2009
could you send a picture. i might be in the market to replace my plastic. robert n661G 145hrs.just back from phoenix. boy was it hot. On Jul 20, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Don McDonald wrote: > Just in case SOME other builders out there are on a budget.... and > don't want the leaky plastic vents.... I bought a bunch of aluminum > swivel eyeball vents (and can get more) from a local aircraft > recycle place. They work great, and I only paid $10 each. They are > a little smaller in diameter, but put out a bunch of air. I could > probably buy them for $20 to $30 each. Who knows, maybe I could > still get them for $10. Just let me know, and I'll make a trip over > there. > Don McDonald > > --- On Mon, 7/20/09, Bill Mauledriver Watson > wrote: > > From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Eyeball Vents > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Monday, July 20, 2009, 10:47 AM > > > > I like Stein's too. Haven't flown them or compared them but I was > impressed with the design and quality. > > Les Kearney wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > I have a bit of a plug or Stien=92s eyeball vents. I recently > purchased the Aveo vents from ACS and found that they didn=92t seal > very well when closed. I returned them and ordered the vents from > Stein. I was mightily impressed ' they sealed completely with > negligible leakage. They are truly well made ' as is claimed on > Stien=92s site. > > > > So if you need vents, my recommendation is to go with Stein. > > > > Cheers > > > > Les > > > > * > > > > > > sp; --> http:=================== ==== > http://====================== = > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2009
From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: power chart
I also have this engine and you will like it. The pistons/cylinders/power a re the same as the -D4A5. The crank is larger and the case heavier to hold the beefy crank. None of these cranks were included with the recent Lycomin g replacements. The crank & case are 9 pounds heavier than the -D4A5 and if you purchased a firewall forward (as I did) then you may have the heavier alternator and starter. This was my situation and I added 3 pounds to the t ail to bring the balance back to the -D4A5 with a lightweight alternator an d starter. - Bill DeRouchey N939SB - --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Kelly McMullen wrote: From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: power chart Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 8:30 PM IO-540-N1A5Similar to -D4A5 but with O-540-G1A5 crankcase and crankshaft an d -K1A5 counterweight assembly Nothing there that will make one iota of difference in power, just perhaps a hair smoother. On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Chris and Susie wrote: Thanks Don but thats for a D model not N. But thanks anyway. - Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: Don McDonald Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: power chart Here ya go... - Don McDonald --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Chris and Susie wrote: From: Chris and Susie <vhicy(at)bigpond.com> Subject: RV10-List: power chart Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 5:52 PM Would someone would have a power chart for a IO540 N1A5 please Ch---> http://www.matronics.com/contribution get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Re: static lines
Date: Jul 21, 2009
I think this shows it... Jeff Carpenter 40304 On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote: > > Hey Jeff, > > Pictures would be great. Thanks in advance. > > Later, - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Painting done! > On with wiring and avionics. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252811#252811 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Re: Rudder Rivet Question
Date: Jul 21, 2009
The bucking bar pictured below from Avery is a very useful tool. Aside from letting you dimple hard to access areas with your rivet gun, a simple modification will allow you to set rivets in tight places. I ground out a chunk of the bar as you can see in the attached pictures. It gives you a very strong, but thin surface to slide in to those tight spaces and set rivets against. I also counter sunk a couple of holes that, when push comes to shove, can be used with a rivet and gun to dimple holes in very tight spots. Jeff Carpenter 40304 Doors (and not too happy about it) DSC_0001 DSC_0002 DSC_0003 On Jul 21, 2009, at 6:13 AM, BGS wrote: > > I have just started my RV10 build and am now working on the rudder > and have a question about getting at a rivet. > > When installing the bottom rib R1004 to the skin. There are the 2 > rivets at the aft section where there is no room to get anything > into buck the rivets. > > Can any help me with a better way to do them? > > Appreciate the help. > Brian > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254081#254081 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <rebrunk42(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
Date: Jul 21, 2009
whats the weather like? robert On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:38 PM, bcondrey wrote: > > > > For those wondering about attendance, from what we can see in Camp > Scholler it looks like there are more people here than at this time > last year. > > Weather conditions have been very dry here - grass is long and a > little crunchy. Fortunately, Michael Sausen has again dropped off a > lawn mower for use. > > WiFi appears to be working great for me so far. Others have > reported issues so we'll just have to see. > > Bob > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254043#254043 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Eyeball Vents
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Don, Can I change my order from 2 to 4? (two more for another local builder). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254141#254141 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
Date: Jul 21, 2009
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Highs around 80, lows in the 50s. Rain possible each night this week and a cold front passing through Fri/Sat. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com> Sent: Tue Jul 21 09:50:24 2009 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! whats the weather like? robert On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:38 PM, bcondrey wrote: > > > > For those wondering about attendance, from what we can see in Camp > Scholler it looks like there are more people here than at this time > last year. > > Weather conditions have been very dry here - grass is long and a > little crunchy. Fortunately, Michael Sausen has again dropped off a > lawn mower for use. > > WiFi appears to be working great for me so far. Others have > reported issues so we'll just have to see. > > Bob > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254043#254043 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: James Ochs <jochs(at)froody.org>
Subject: Re: static lines
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Just a thought, but you might want to relocate the T on your static line so that it is higher than the port so that you will drain any water out of the static port rather than down into the line towards the avionics... James On Jul 21, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Jeff Carpenter wrote: > I think this shows it... > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 > > > > > > On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote: > >> >> >> Hey Jeff, >> >> Pictures would be great. Thanks in advance. >> >> Later, - Lew >> >> -------- >> non-pilot >> crazy about building >> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 >> Painting done! >> On with wiring and avionics. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252811#252811 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Re: static lines
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Thanks James... I will. On Jul 21, 2009, at 10:47 AM, James Ochs wrote: > > Just a thought, but you might want to relocate the T on your static > line so that it is higher than the port so that you will drain any > water out of the static port rather than down into the line towards > the avionics... > > James > > On Jul 21, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Jeff Carpenter wrote: > >> I think this shows it... >> >> Jeff Carpenter >> 40304 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote: >> >>> > >>> >>> Hey Jeff, >>> >>> Pictures would be great. Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Later, - Lew >>> >>> -------- >>> non-pilot >>> crazy about building >>> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 >>> Painting done! >>> On with wiring and avionics. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252811#252811 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Subject: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business!
This is the coolest I remember at this time of year in recent history. We actually had a high in the 60's last weekend and they are forecasting it to drop back into the 70's again after today with lows in the 50's. Haven't had rain in around 3 weeks until the last couple days so the ground is like concrete. Of course the weather gods have noticed that Airventure is starting up so all bets are off for the next 12 days. They are forecasting over 2 inches of rain tonight about 60 miles NW of OSH and around .5" to 1" for around here. I've been sitting in my workshop watching it get steadily darker here. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 11:50 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: OSH RV-10 HQ Open For Business! whats the weather like? robert On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:38 PM, bcondrey wrote: > > > > For those wondering about attendance, from what we can see in Camp > Scholler it looks like there are more people here than at this time > last year. > > Weather conditions have been very dry here - grass is long and a > little crunchy. Fortunately, Michael Sausen has again dropped off a > lawn mower for use. > > WiFi appears to be working great for me so far. Others have > reported issues so we'll just have to see. > > Bob > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254043#254043 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <rebrunk42(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Interior Door Handles
Date: Jul 21, 2009
how can i get these? robert On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > Hi > > Probably the kindest thing that can be said about the Van=92s > finishing hardware is that most look like they are ex the Mordor > iron works. This is especially true of the interior door handles > that look pretty cheap. > > Today I just received my brushed aluminum handles from David Nellis. > They are a very nice bit of kit. Here is a link to some photos of > the handles ' the pix don=92t do them justice. > > http://davidnellis.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album18 > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 - counting the days to a brewski at KOSH HQ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Subject: Re: static lines
From: "Jim" <jim(at)CombsFive.Com>
Jeff, You might want to re-run those static lines. The "T" should be as high as possible so that water will run out of the lines not into them and collect / freeze. Jim Combs N312F Flying - 90 hours -------------------------------------------------------- I think this shows it... Jeff Carpenter 40304 On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote: > > Hey Jeff, > > Pictures would be great. Thanks in advance. > > Later, - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Painting done! > On with wiring and avionics. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=252811#252811 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2009
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: different door latch system
I didn't like Vans door latch system and it's associated problems ..... such as the handle hanging out in the breeze, separate lock if you can figure out how, and that asthetically pleasing piece of square tube on the inside ...... so I modified my doors. The attached pictures are pretty much what I'll end up with. The mod will cost less than $200. I figure the mod will take less time than the Vans installation, and won't require many tools you don't already have, but since I haven't done it Van's way ..... I see no reason why the mod can't be done on a completed airplane. If you're interested in my installation, or have questions, send me an email off-list. I might make up a parts kit ..... but this isn't going to become a business! Linn Walters ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Interior Door Handles
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Robert Contact David Nellis at davidnellis691(at)comcast.net . I have also CC'd him on this email. Cheers Les _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Brunkenhoefer Sent: July-21-09 2:07 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Interior Door Handles how can i get these? robert On Jul 20, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Les Kearney wrote: Hi Probably the kindest thing that can be said about the Van's finishing hardware is that most look like they are ex the Mordor iron works. This is especially true of the interior door handles that look pretty cheap. Today I just received my brushed aluminum handles from David Nellis. They are a very nice bit of kit. Here is a link to some photos of the handles - the pix don't do them justice. http://davidnellis.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album18 Cheers Les #40643 - counting the days to a brewski at KOSH HQ http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Gurley" <rngurley(at)att.net>
Subject: Aux fuel tanks
Date: Jul 21, 2009
It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has anyone installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the consensus was. Thank you in advance. Dick Gurley ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aux fuel tanks
Date: Jul 22, 2009
From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann(at)thalesgroup.com.au>
Hi Dick, I flew from Adelaide South Australia to Sydney last weekend (~800nm). Refuelled at 650nm mark to ensure I had required reserves for alternates (weather was not favourable in Sydney), but could easily have made the distance and maintained fixed reserves. YMMV, but my bladder would not have held for the full 5 hrs flight time and the fuel stop was a relief. Just one data point, but effectively leaned this plane can fly for quite a while (and cover a serious distance) on standard tanks. Cheers, Ron VH-XRM Flying in Oz -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Gurley Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2009 9:06 AM Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has anyone installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the consensus was. Thank you in advance. Dick Gurley DISCLAIMER:--------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail transmission and any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached to it are private and confidential. They may contain proprietary or copyright material or information that is subject to legal professional privilege. They are for the use of the intended recipient only. Any unauthorised viewing, use, disclosure, copying, alteration, storage or distribution of, or reliance on, this message is strictly prohibited. No part may be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written permission of the owner. If you have received this transmission in error, or are not an authorised recipient, please immediately notify the sender by return email, delete this message and all copies from your e-mail system, and destroy any printed copies. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient should not be deemed a waiver of any privilege or protection. Thales Australia does not warrant or represent that this e-mail or any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached are error or virus free. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
Date: Jul 21, 2009
I installed the Safeair1 extended range tanks. I now have about 140 hours on the airplane and am very happy with them. They give the airplane at least 7 hours of fuel if you are running LOP. Very nice kit, well built and good instructions. David Maib 40559 On Jul 21, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Richard Gurley wrote: It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has anyone installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the consensus was. Thank you in advance. Dick Gurley ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <rebrunk42(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: different door latch system
Date: Jul 21, 2009
I am interested and would want a complete system unless some internal parts from van can be used. Robert Brunkenhoefer 661G 145hrs Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 520 Lawrence St. Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert(at)brunklaw.com On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > I didn't like Vans door latch system and it's associated > problems ..... such as the handle hanging out in the breeze, > separate lock if you can figure out how, and that asthetically > pleasing piece of square tube on the inside ...... so I modified my > doors. The attached pictures are pretty much what I'll end up > with. The mod will cost less than $200. I figure the mod will take > less time than the Vans installation, and won't require many tools > you don't already have, but since I haven't done it Van's way ..... > > I see no reason why the mod can't be done on a completed airplane. > If you're interested in my installation, or have questions, send me > an email off-list. I might make up a parts kit ..... but this isn't > going to become a business! > Linn Walters > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Aux fuel tanks
Date: Jul 21, 2009
I plumbed my aircraft to make it easy to add tip tanks later on but have lost interest. Over the last 160 hours my RV-10 has averaged 10.6 gph. That's over 5 hours of flying and I normally plan 3-3.5 hr legs. This includes some long flights as well as short local legs. Cross country flights are at 11.5 and 12.5 at 2300 rpm. Local flights usually at 19 or 21 sq. to keep up with the group. Engine is I0-540 10:1, 1 mag, 1 Lightspeed with Aero-Composits 3 blade. When I run into cheap gas I always wish I could haul some home but I no longer feel I need more capacity. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has anyone installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the consensus was. Thank you in advance. Dick Gurley ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: static lines
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 21, 2009
All good suggestions but also consider using cable tie mounts (adhesive squares that you can run a tie-wrap through) to support the tubing runs. I used the barbed tees because they work fine and are dirt cheap. Once installed you never touch them again. The slip in connectors are nice but totally unnecessary and expensive. I used them on my O2 system. Remember there is no flow through the static system. Keep it simple. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254244#254244 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
From: "lbgjb10" <lbgjb(at)gnt.net>
Date: Jul 21, 2009
have 15 gal aux tanks built into wings (basically splitting a regular tank) and with transfer pumps, have 90 gal. having ability to have extra fuel, or to tanker cheaper fuel is very nice. If you run 75% power and run ROP you will wish you had more fuel sometime. larry b. -------- Larry and Gayle N104LG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254253#254253 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
From: "lbgjb10" <lbgjb(at)gnt.net>
Date: Jul 21, 2009
have 15 gal aux tanks built into wings (basically splitting a regular tank) and with transfer pumps, have 90 gal. having ability to have extra fuel, or to tanker cheaper fuel is very nice. If you run 75% power and run ROP you will wish you had more fuel sometime. larry b. -------- Larry and Gayle N104LG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254252#254252 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
Date: Jul 21, 2009
While traveling to TX in June I met an RV10 builder at Bulverde airpark/airport (1T8) who was building a wet wing with 120 gal total. If anyone is interested I am sure that the FBO there knows of the build. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of lbgjb10 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:52 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks have 15 gal aux tanks built into wings (basically splitting a regular tank) and with transfer pumps, have 90 gal. having ability to have extra fuel, or to tanker cheaper fuel is very nice. If you run 75% power and run ROP you will wish you had more fuel sometime. larry b. -------- Larry and Gayle N104LG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254253#254253 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2009
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Eyeball Vents
Looks like I stepped on my wanger on this one.... made the trip out to the plane recyclery today and couldn't find anything worthwhile... so stopped i n and talked to the owner to find out what was up because they seemed to al ways have quite a few on hand.- He explained that this guy who was into d oing custom cars continues to buy everyone that comes in.- Oh well, sorry guys. Don --- On Tue, 7/21/09, pilotdds(at)aol.com wrote: From: pilotdds(at)aol.com <pilotdds(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Eyeball Vents Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 6:49 AM I would also like two of them if its not to much troublr,what a great find. -Jim -----Original Message----- From: Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 8:25 pm Subject: RV10-List: Re: Eyeball Vents I'd like to sign up for two. (Located in Bay area). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254052#254052 =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Rudder Rivet Question
Date: Jul 21, 2009
I used a flat head screw driver as a bucking bar, with a back rivet plate behind. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Ochs" <jochs(at)froody.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:43 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rudder Rivet Question > > One method is to back rivet it using a thin, flat piece of metal against > the shop end of the rivet and use the flat set of the rivet gun... you > put the gun on top of the metal right next to the rib and bang on the top > of the metal. An old chisel works pretty well for this. Keep the rivet > gun as close to the end of the chisel as you can. Sorry I don't have a > picture of it, but hopefully you get the idea. > > Let me see if i can do an ascii art drawing ;) > > rivet gun > | ------ > upper rib flange > \/ > ----------------------------------------------------------> chisel/ flat > piece of steel > o > shop head of rivet > ----- > rib flange you are riveting > ------------- > back rivet plate > On Jul 21, 2009, at 8:13 AM, BGS wrote: > >> >> I have just started my RV10 build and am now working on the rudder and >> have a question about getting at a rivet. >> >> When installing the bottom rib R1004 to the skin. There are the 2 >> rivets at the aft section where there is no room to get anything into >> buck the rivets. >> >> Can any help me with a better way to do them? >> >> Appreciate the help. >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254081#254081 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Jul 22, 2009
No disrespect intended, but didn't Vans issue some kind of admonition warning people NOT to install aux tanks in the wings as the engineering had not accounted for the extra loading???????? I am wondering why nobody has installed a tank in the baggage area. It could easily hold 20 gallons. The floor is rated for the weight. It could feed by gravity to the wings with the simple turn of a petcock fitting tee'd into the supply line at the wing root. A baggage tank would be relatively safe, could vent outside and would avoid the overloaded wing issue. -------- OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday Q/B Kit - end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254278#254278 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris and Susie" <vhicy(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
Date: Jul 22, 2009
Ron what power settings do you use and what height were you flying. Just want to compare to miine. Chris ICY ----- Original Message ----- From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann(at)thalesgroup.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks > > > > Hi Dick, > > I flew from Adelaide South Australia to Sydney last weekend (~800nm). > Refuelled at 650nm mark to ensure I had required reserves for alternates > (weather was not favourable in Sydney), but could easily have made the > distance and maintained fixed reserves. YMMV, but my bladder would not > have held for the full 5 hrs flight time and the fuel stop was a relief. > > Just one data point, but effectively leaned this plane can fly for quite > a while (and cover a serious distance) on standard tanks. > > > Cheers, > Ron > VH-XRM > Flying in Oz > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Gurley > Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2009 9:06 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks > > It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has > anyone > installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently > planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the > consensus was. > > > Thank you in advance. > > > Dick Gurley > > > DISCLAIMER:--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail transmission and any documents, files and previous e-mail > messages > attached to it are private and confidential. They may contain proprietary > or copyright > material or information that is subject to legal professional privilege. > They are for > the use of the intended recipient only. Any unauthorised viewing, use, > disclosure, > copying, alteration, storage or distribution of, or reliance on, this > message is > strictly prohibited. No part may be reproduced, adapted or transmitted > without the > written permission of the owner. If you have received this transmission in > error, or > are not an authorised recipient, please immediately notify the sender by > return email, > delete this message and all copies from your e-mail system, and destroy > any printed > copies. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient should not be > deemed a > waiver of any privilege or protection. Thales Australia does not warrant > or represent > that this e-mail or any documents, files and previous e-mail messages > attached are > error or virus free. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
Date: Jul 22, 2009
The baggage area would seem to be the easiest retrofit. I haven't got an aerospace engineering opinion of the wing aux tanks but it would seem that the wing tanks extended would not affect bending moment on the spar nor CG. A baggage area tank would probably require a battery on the firewall to be comfortable with CG and CG movement with fuel burn. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:03 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks No disrespect intended, but didn't Vans issue some kind of admonition warning people NOT to install aux tanks in the wings as the engineering had not accounted for the extra loading???????? I am wondering why nobody has installed a tank in the baggage area. It could easily hold 20 gallons. The floor is rated for the weight. It could feed by gravity to the wings with the simple turn of a petcock fitting tee'd into the supply line at the wing root. A baggage tank would be relatively safe, could vent outside and would avoid the overloaded wing issue. -------- OSH '09 or Bust (busted) be there someday Q/B Kit - end game Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254278#254278 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: different door latch system
Date: Jul 22, 2009
These are latches like the ones they use on Camper shells for pickup trucks. They are over center locks, but in my opinion not a strong or secure as vans system. Also looks like at least a two hands /two operation to open. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: RV10-List: different door latch system I didn't like Vans door latch system and it's associated problems ..... such as the handle hanging out in the breeze, separate lock if you can figure out how, and that asthetically pleasing piece of square tube on the inside ...... so I modified my doors. The attached pictures are pretty much what I'll end up with. The mod will cost less than $200. I figure the mod will take less time than the Vans installation, and won't require many tools you don't already have, but since I haven't done it Van's way ..... I see no reason why the mod can't be done on a completed airplane. If you're interested in my installation, or have questions, send me an email off-list. I might make up a parts kit ..... but this isn't going to become a business! Linn Walters ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2009
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: different door latch system
David McNeill wrote: > > > > These are latches like the ones they use on Camper shells for pickup trucks. > They are over center locks, but in my opinion not a strong or secure as vans > system. I'd hate to try and open the door without releasing the latches. > Also looks like at least a two hands /two operation to open. > The latches are connected together by a rod inside the door, and to the inside handle. One finger pressing on the outside or pulling on the inside will open the latches. Linn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:26 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: different door latch system > > I didn't like Vans door latch system and it's associated problems ..... > such as the handle hanging out in the breeze, separate lock if you can > figure out how, and that asthetically pleasing piece of square tube on the > inside ...... so I modified my doors. The attached pictures are pretty much > what I'll end up with. The mod will cost less than $200. I figure the mod > will take less time than the Vans installation, and won't require many tools > you don't already have, but since I haven't done it Van's way ..... > > I see no reason why the mod can't be done on a completed airplane. > If you're interested in my installation, or have questions, send me an email > off-list. I might make up a parts kit ..... but this isn't going to become > a business! > Linn Walters > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: wing install
From: "velo" <rickbarnes(at)highlanddental.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2009
On the wing install it calls for a part #F-1004J (center section upright bar), to be placed on the aft side of the wing spar. We couldn't find ours so we ordered two from Van's. It is a solid piece of aluminum about 4"X1"X1" with two holes in it for the AN3 bolts. It shows no picture on page 44-11 and I'm not too sure what's for. We had to put in a notch to allow for clearance with one of the aileron linkage bolts. Does anyone have any clue? Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254334#254334 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
Date: Jul 22, 2009
From: "Masys, Daniel R" <dan.masys(at)Vanderbilt.Edu>
> From: "Richard Gurley" <rngurley(at)att.net> > Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks > > It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has anyone > installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently > planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the > consensus was. > > Thank you in advance. > > Dick Gurley I added the SafeAir1 tanks to my -10 after flying about 18 months and although it was a mess to go back in and retrofit the plane (and I dreaded taking the cutoff wheel to make an access door in those beautiful painted wingtips) it was easily the best modification I have made to the -10 and I wish I had just built it that way to begin with. Having that extra 15 gals (read 1 hour of IFR reserve) helps a lot on my most common route, which is between Washington DC and Nashville TN -- about 550 nm southwest bound against prevailing winds. It was often dicey to plan a nonstop IFR flight that direction if the destination weather was not good, and now there is always lots of fuel for loitering and alternates. I also use the extra fuel to tanker fuel to locations where it is expensive to buy even if not needed for range. In those cases, I usually pump the tips into the mains just before landing, making it a smaller fuel bill when telling the line guy to top off the mains for the return. Bottom line: great addition to the flexibility of configuration, since the tanks only weigh 15 lbs empty and sit right on the CG line so they don't change the basic capability and loading configuration of the plane, while adding range, safety and cost avoidance options. But do put them in during the original build if you can, rather than retrofitting. Installation not that much fun later on. -Dan Masys RV-7A sold RV-10 flying RV-12 in progress... :) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Crossing the border blues
Date: Jul 22, 2009
I took the AOPA on-line course for eAPIS this morning then logged onto the DHS's eAPIS web site to apply for an account. Got the confirmation back in 5 minutes. Apparently the saying 'Your past catches up with you' isn't always true. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
Date: Jul 22, 2009
Another no cost/low cost alternative is running LOP. I have had multiple trips of 550-600 NM over the last two months. These include FFZ-CNW, CNW-FFZ, FFZ-MEV, RTS-FFZ each trip left 20-25 gallons in the tanks. Flying at 10-13000 at 50-55 power, I burned 8.5-9.0 gph. This is about 6:40 to dry tanks. KTAS was approximately 150. With 5 hours enroute and possible 750nm, this allows 1:40 at the destination. These were all IFR plans in mostly VMC. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Masys, Daniel R Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks --> > From: "Richard Gurley" <rngurley(at)att.net> > Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks > > It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has anyone > installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently > planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the > consensus was. > > Thank you in advance. > > Dick Gurley I added the SafeAir1 tanks to my -10 after flying about 18 months and although it was a mess to go back in and retrofit the plane (and I dreaded taking the cutoff wheel to make an access door in those beautiful painted wingtips) it was easily the best modification I have made to the -10 and I wish I had just built it that way to begin with. Having that extra 15 gals (read 1 hour of IFR reserve) helps a lot on my most common route, which is between Washington DC and Nashville TN -- about 550 nm southwest bound against prevailing winds. It was often dicey to plan a nonstop IFR flight that direction if the destination weather was not good, and now there is always lots of fuel for loitering and alternates. I also use the extra fuel to tanker fuel to locations where it is expensive to buy even if not needed for range. In those cases, I usually pump the tips into the mains just before landing, making it a smaller fuel bill when telling the line guy to top off the mains for the return. Bottom line: great addition to the flexibility of configuration, since the tanks only weigh 15 lbs empty and sit right on the CG line so they don't change the basic capability and loading configuration of the plane, while adding range, safety and cost avoidance options. But do put them in during the original build if you can, rather than retrofitting. Installation not that much fun later on. -Dan Masys RV-7A sold RV-10 flying RV-12 in progress... :) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: wing install
Date: Jul 22, 2009
Pg 25-5 - it rivets to the spar center section. IIRC, it is a space for 2 1/4" bolts that bolt the center section spar webs to the wing spar web. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Jul 22, 2009, at 11:47 AM, velo wrote: > > > On the wing install it calls for a part #F-1004J (center section > upright bar), to be placed on the aft side of the wing spar. We > couldn't find ours so we ordered two from Van's. It is a solid > piece of aluminum about 4"X1"X1" with two holes in it for the AN3 > bolts. It shows no picture on page 44-11 and I'm not too sure > what's for. We had to put in a notch to allow for clearance with > one of the aileron linkage bolts. Does anyone have any clue? > > Rick > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254334#254334 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wing install
From: "Ron B." <cfxoa(at)klis.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2009
On page 44-11 , they speak of the hardware, not the F-1004J piece of alum. The F-1004J would have been installed as Jess says way back on page 25-5. If you have a quick build this should have been installed for you, I would think. We have a slow build , and I recall having difficulty with the real long rivets. Ron Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254380#254380 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris and Susie" <vhicy(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
Date: Jul 23, 2009
Dick we have just come back from a 42 hour trip in outback Australia. Most of the time we were fine with fuel but as another has pointed out fuel in some areas can be extremely expensive. An extra hour range would be great here. The option of filling further on would be great. I have spoken to an engineer at Vans regarding making the the outer bay of wing also fuel and his response was like other RV's it actually strengthens the wing however other areas have to be considered like Max weight. He would not put anything on paper. An extra hour would be good but I don't know about an extra 60 gallons unless you few at gross weight or under but you know what people would do! With two 10's with gear leg collapses We do not want to fly over gross. So Yes I would add an extra 1 hour of fuel if I were to build again for out back flying. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Gurley To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:06 AM Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has anyone installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the consensus was. Thank you in advance. Dick Gurley ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Barnes" <rickbarnes(at)highlanddental.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2009
Subject: Re: wing install
Thanks Ron and Jesse. I appreciate the info. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron B. Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: wing install On page 44-11 , they speak of the hardware, not the F-1004J piece of alum. The F-1004J would have been installed as Jess says way back on page 25-5. If you have a quick build this should have been installed for you, I would think. We have a slow build , and I recall having difficulty with the real long rivets. Ron Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254380#254380 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Aux fuel tanks
Date: Jul 22, 2009
If you must have extra fuel and you are SB wings, then the obvious solution is to enlarge the main tanks by moving the outboard bulkhead out a bay or two. The CG won't shift and the wing will place less bending moment on the spar and center carry through. Even certified aircraft can be successfully flown and landed 10% over gross given the FAAs own rules for Alaska operations. My understanding is that Alaska operations will almost always have lower than standard temperatures and therefore more power available to lift the load. The 10 is not power limited. My 10 lifted off KPRC at 5000 MSL @ 80F in 1500 ft ground roll at weight of 2750. Distance was calculated by the tower staff. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks Dick we have just come back from a 42 hour trip in outback Australia. Most of the time we were fine with fuel but as another has pointed out fuel in some areas can be extremely expensive. An extra hour range would be great here. The option of filling further on would be great. I have spoken to an engineer at Vans regarding making the the outer bay of wing also fuel and his response was like other RV's it actually strengthens the wing however other areas have to be considered like Max weight. He would not put anything on paper. An extra hour would be good but I don't know about an extra 60 gallons unless you few at gross weight or under but you know what people would do! With two 10's with gear leg collapses We do not want to fly over gross. So Yes I would add an extra 1 hour of fuel if I were to build again for out back flying. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Gurley <mailto:rngurley(at)att.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:06 AM Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has anyone installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the consensus was. Thank you in advance. Dick Gurley href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2009
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
The Alaskan gross wt rule is NOT available to anyone, anytime. It requires FSDO approval, generally for commercial freight, fuel and fire fighting operations. It also has consequences. A Beech 1900, IIRC crashed in Homer, a little over gross, with a load of ice picked up on approach. It is one thing to use for tankering fuel, like trans-oceanic flight where there is no intent to land overgross, and quite another to both takeoff and land overgross. One also does not know how much an acceptable flight envelope exists above the published forward and aft limits, how much narrower the range might be. Yes, you can experiment with your experimental, declare a higher gross than Van's recommends and play test pilot. Unfortunately, one -10 has already been lost, along with the builder, by making hasty changes to what was already a non-standard variant. We really need to minimize risks, lest our favorite aircraft become uninsurable. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:29 PM, David McNeill wrote: > If you must have extra fuel and you are SB wings, then the obvious solution > is to enlargethe main tanks by moving the outboard bulkhead out a bay or > two. The CG won't shift and the wing will place less bending moment on the > spar and center carry through. Even certified aircraft can be successfully > flown and landed 10% over gross given the FAAs own rules for Alaska > operations. My understanding is that Alaska operations will almost always > have lower than standard temperatures and therefore more power available to > lift the load. The 10 is not power limited. My 10 lifted off KPRC at 5000 > MSL @ 80F in 1500 ft ground roll at weight of 2750. Distance was calculated > by the tower staff. > ________________________________ > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:29 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks > > Dick we have just come back from a 42 hour trip in outback Australia. Most > of the time we were fine with fuel but as another has pointed out fuel in > some areas can be extremely expensive. An extra hour range would be great > here. The option of filling further on would be great. > I have spoken to an engineer at Vans regarding making the the outer bay of > wing also fuel and his response was like other RV's it actually strengthens > the wing however other areas have to be considered like Max weight. He would > not put anything on paper. > An extra hour would be good but I don't know about an extra 60 gallons > unless you few at gross weight or under but you know what people would do! > With two 10's with gear leg collapses We do not want to fly over gross. > So Yes I would add an extra 1 hour of fuel if I were to build again for out > back flying. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Gurley > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:06 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks > > It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has anyone > installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently > planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the > consensus was. > > > Thank you in advance. > > > Dick Gurley > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
From: "doctornigel" <nschultz3(at)cfl.rr.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2009
I'm not sure how the aux tanks can be on the CG line as that changes with airplane loading, they could be on the CG line for only one configuration. If they are within the forward and aft limits of CG, then they will have less of an effect on CG as far as knocking it out of range. Gross weight of an airplane is calculated to keep the stall speed below a certain speed, to not stress the landing gear during landing, for the g force loading limits, and take-off landing speeds. Most planes can fly WAY over gross as long as CG is within range and as long as you realize stall speeds will be increased, acceptable g loading decreased, take-off and landing distances will be increased, speeds will decrease, and you may damage the landing gear, etc. For me I won't need more than 60 gallons for 95% of my flights. For the other 5% I am going to fabricate a removable 20 gallon tank that I can easily secure in the space of one of my rear seats. I plan on a 60/40 rear seat with the 60 side removable and the tank will secure on the seat attachment points. The 120 lbs of fuel will be where one small passenger would be so no CG concerns. Should be easily, temporarily plumbed into the fuel system, it may not even need a aux fuel pump. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=254414#254414 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aux fuel tanks
Date: Jul 22, 2009
From: pilotdds(at)aol.com
I added a removable 20 gal aux tank in the baggage bay.I tested it but have not found the extra fuel necesary. -----Original Message----- From: Masys, Daniel R <dan.masys(at)Vanderbilt.Edu> Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 10:29 am Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aux fuel tanks > From: "Richard Gurley" <rngurley(at)att.net> > Subject: RV10-List: Aux fuel tanks > > It has been a few years now that some of you have been flying. Has anyone > installed or wish they have installed aux fuel tanks. I am currently > planning the items to be installed my wings and was wondering what the > consensus was. > > Thank you in advance. > > Dick Gurley I added the SafeAir1 tanks to my -10 after flying about 18 months and although it was a mess to go back in and retrofit the plane (and I dreaded taking the cutoff wheel to make an access door in those beautiful painted wingtips) it was easily the best modification I have made to the -10 and I wish I had just built it that way to begin with. Having that extra 15 gals (read 1 hour of IFR reserve) helps a lot on my most common route, which is between Washington DC and Nashville TN -- about 550 nm southwest bound against prevailing winds. It was often dicey to plan a nonstop IFR flight that direction if the destination weather was not good, and now there is always lots of fuel for loitering and alternates. I also use the extra fuel to tanker fuel to locations where it is expensive to buy even if not needed for range. In those cases, I usually pump the tips into the mains just before landing, making it a smaller fuel bill when telling the line guy to top off the mains for the return. Bottom line: great addition to the flexibility of configuration, since the tanks only weigh 15 lbs empty and sit right on the CG line so they don't change the basic capability and loading configuration of the plane, while adding range, safety and cost avoidance options. But do put them in during the original build if you can, rather than retrofitting. Installation not that much fun later on. -Dan Masys RV-7A sold RV-10 flying RV-12 in progress... :) e the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse


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