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Date: Oct 15, 2009
Subject: Re: fuel transducer
From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
Robin, According to the document you sent the Fuel Flow transducer is Flo Scan. The pressure sensors are UMA. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > Phil, > > Allow me to clarify the G900x sensor selection (attached). > > > Robin > > [image: MP Transducer.jpg] > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Perry, Phil > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:15 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: fuel transducer > > > What does the G900X use? > > > Phil > > > *From:* William Curtis [mailto:wcurtis(at)nerv10.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:58 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel transducer > > > Though physically different, electrically both the Electronics > International (EI) "Red Cube" (used by EI and AFS) and FloScan (used by JPI, > GRT, et al) are the same. > > > The FloScan part used to be the only game in town. Fuel flow sensors used > to cost around $600. EI developed their own electrically compatible "Red > Cube" to offer with their line of engine instruments and the competition has > brought the price of fuel flow sensors down to about $200. Both units are > fully TSO'd--not that it matter for experimentals. > > > William > > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson < > MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote: > > MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> > > And if you are going with GRT, they have their own. > > I think you want to wait until you decide on 1) the brand of the equipment > that will be reading it, 2) your equipment acquisition method. The sensor > is brand specific as far as I know and if you use a Stein-type builder, they > will get the sensor to you when needed. If you are a DIY panel guy, you > work with whoever you get the equipment from. > I don't think there's any hurry. The location(s) is easily accessible > later. Panel brand preferences will change. Acting sooner than later could > cost a few bucks. And read up on the location of sensor to reduce fuel pump > turbulence - I don't know if that's a real issue or not but it has been > discussed. > > Bill "got to go to work" Watson > > orchidman wrote: > > > If you are going with AFS, it comes with the kit. I would put it up front > and go with the stock fuel pump & filter in the stock location. > Some of the early AFS supplied transducers had a leak but were recalled by > the manufacturer and the current ones are tight and accurate. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268022#268022 > > > List Un/Subscription, > www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > * * > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 10/14/09 18:32:00 > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 15, 2009
Subject: Re: fuel transducer
From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
I don't think UMA makes a flow transducer themselves. If I was to guess, I would say that either EI or Flo Scan was the OEM for them. Checking their site, they have the EI "Red Cube" transducer pictured. http://www.umainstruments.com/FuelFlow.htm The Flo Scan unit was the industry standard for decades and the electrical characteristics are well understood. This is why EI chose to "clone" the characteristics--not to mention that they would not then have to change their instruments. http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/aviation.php Original Flow Scan<http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/itemimages/page/201%20gas%20200a.jpg> http://www.buy-ei.com/Pages/Miscellaneous/Misc_Flow.html EI "Red Cube" <http://www.umainstruments.com/images/Accessories/FuelFl1.jpg> William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > The G900X uses the UMA Fuel Pressure Transducer > > I have had one go bad so far (under warranty). > > Seems to me you need to know what avionics suite you are going to fly > behind before purchasing the sensors. > > > Robin > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Perry, Phil > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:15 AM > > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: fuel transducer > > > What does the G900X use? > > > Phil > > > *From:* William Curtis [mailto:wcurtis(at)nerv10.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:58 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel transducer > > > Though physically different, electrically both the Electronics > International (EI) "Red Cube" (used by EI and AFS) and FloScan (used by JPI, > GRT, et al) are the same. > > > The FloScan part used to be the only game in town. Fuel flow sensors used > to cost around $600. EI developed their own electrically compatible "Red > Cube" to offer with their line of engine instruments and the competition has > brought the price of fuel flow sensors down to about $200. Both units are > fully TSO'd--not that it matter for experimentals. > > > William > > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson < > MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote: > > MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> > > And if you are going with GRT, they have their own. > > I think you want to wait until you decide on 1) the brand of the equipment > that will be reading it, 2) your equipment acquisition method. The sensor > is brand specific as far as I know and if you use a Stein-type builder, they > will get the sensor to you when needed. If you are a DIY panel guy, you > work with whoever you get the equipment from. > I don't think there's any hurry. The location(s) is easily accessible > later. Panel brand preferences will change. Acting sooner than later could > cost a few bucks. And read up on the location of sensor to reduce fuel pump > turbulence - I don't know if that's a real issue or not but it has been > discussed. > > Bill "got to go to work" Watson > > orchidman wrote: > > > If you are going with AFS, it comes with the kit. I would put it up front > and go with the stock fuel pump & filter in the stock location. > Some of the early AFS supplied transducers had a leak but were recalled by > the manufacturer and the current ones are tight and accurate. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268022#268022 > > > List Un/Subscription, > www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > * * > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 10/14/09 18:32:00 > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 15, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2
Rick what altitude are you at while running LOP? I can run fine @ 4500' but have significant miss @ 8500' Deems Rick Sked wrote: > > I am getting pretty close to Thanes number's with mine as well with > about a 8 to 9 GPH fuel consumption. I have not tuned my injectors yet > but I have a pretty good idea which ones need to be swapped and they > are pretty darn close, I may not need to buy any to make it happen, > just need more flight data to work with to make the final plan to get > them in the right spots. BTW my Barretts IO-540 was rated at 263 HP > Verticle induction with go fast chrome valve covers...43K about two > years ago....never regretted the choice. Runs great. > > > > Rick S. > > N246RS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thane States" <thane2(at)comporium.net> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:06:45 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: RV10-List: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2 > > This individual was a guy who camped next to us. I never asked what > kit he used, PSRU, or prop. Again I never thjought we would be > running together that day. > The real reason ha tagged along was due to the fact that I had XM, > WX. He had Blue Mountain and did not have that capability. > Interesting that the BPE seems to have gone up in price, I paid around > $44 K. for mine 2 yrs ago. > Still when I get in and put my Family in the airplane, it was worth > every penny. > I also have fine tunned my restrictors, and can run LOP within around > 15 degrees. Runs realy smooth. I love it. > At LOP 55% I get around 155 kts TAS. > Thane > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Danny Riggs > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:04 AM > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2 > > What brand of PSRU did your friend have? Type of prop? Prop choice > can also make a huge difference. Pretty hard to beat a Barrett > Precision engine. i just wish I had the $52k they quoted me at > Oshkosh! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: rvbuilder(at)sausen.net <mailto:rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:35:00 -0500 > Subject: RE: RV10-List: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2 > > Thanks Thane. Im a big proponent of auto conversions, although > I also went with a Barrett engine, but we need more data to > understand the true value of the auto conversions. Any reports > like this really help. > > > > Michael > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Thane > States > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 PM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2 > > > > Just thought I would post some comparisons of a flight from > Oshkosh this year. > > I am not trying to stir up the pot, but rather offer some very > basic info I got when I flew with another RV-10 this year. > > As you all know there is a huge debate about the merits of auto > conversions, vs. standard power plants. > > FACTS: > > My RV-10 :was loaded with full fuel, 60 gallons. > > 3, pax. and camping gear. > > I have the BPE IO-540; 288 h.p. CAI. Hartzell > blended 2 blade prop. > > James plenum and holy cowl, and main wheel pants. > > > > Other RV-10 : loaded with 50 gallons of fuel, due to fuel leak. > > 2 pax. and camping gear, lots of tools. > > LS-2; 350 h.p. 3 blade prop, not sure which one. > > > > We took off in loose formation climbing up to 11,500 > > After my initial pwr. reduction to 25" 2500 rpm, I was told > by the other RV-10 that I was pulling away from him, so I pulled > the pwr back to around 23" and he said he was able to keep up. > > Later in cruise, I was again asked to pull back due to pulling > away from him. > > I finally ran at 55% pwr LOP. 10 GPH. And he was comfortable > and kept up fine. > > However, After we compared stats, he advised me that he was > burning 13-14 GPH. When I was still at 10 GPH. > > We continued on our flight constantly comparing #'s We ran > approx. the same prop speed and pwr settings as stated. > > However after around 2:45 in cruise and 10 minutes from fuel > stop, the other RV-10 stated that he had only 30 minutes of fuel > left, when I had 3 hrs. left. > > We did find out that the other tank might have had a fuel > leak in it as well. This is what he told me I could no validate > that, just interesting, I thought. > > So just my observation. I could clearly pull away from a much > more powerful LS-2 powered RV-10 in climb and in cruise. And all > the while burning far less gas. > > Again none of this was pre planned and at all scientific. Just 2 > RV-10'S having fun and heading in the same direction on a > beautiful day. > > I don't know at what speed he would have been able to keep up and > I don't know how accurate his fuel burn #'s were, I know mine are > close to spot on!! > > Just thought I would share this info with those who may be on the > fence about pwr. plant choice. > > I know I could not be more pleased with my engine choice! > > > > Thane States > > #40337 > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ronics.com > ww.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Free, trusted anct/01/' target='_new'>Get it now. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 15, 2009
From: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2
Hiya Deems, I have not downloaded the data card but IIRCC, coming back from LOE we were running at 12,500, MP was at 19.5 (WOT) with 2200 on the tach. Slowly started to lean it out...got a little rough as I leaned it but the but EGT's stayed pretty close about a 40 degree variation as it went LOP. The roughness smoothed but the engine definetly sounded different as Tim had described previously, it took a little getting used to. The fuel flow dropped way down from 10.5 between ROP and LOP to 8.5 steady and a 3-5 kt speed drop. It took some adjustments during the flight, never really just "stayed there". The Trutak RV-10 AP took all the commands from the 480 and worked like a champ which allowed me to work the radio and fiddle with the LOP after a discussion with another builder at LOE about how he ran his engine. Power was at 55%, 155 TAS, 23kt crosswind from the SW acrossed the nose, we had a GS of about 160 to 165 kts according the 480, some of that may have been sideways :) Heading to LOE I burned 36 gals going for 2.9 hours and 30 gals coming back for 3.4 hours so saved some gas money for sure. Heading to LOE was pretty much the same except for a slight quarterly tailwind. 11,500, 55% 30-40 ROP, 11 GPH 165 IAS, TAS was about the same but a GS of about 170kts. Gotta love this though, North Las Vegas to El Paso...just under three hours for two people $140...A taxi to my house from the airport is $45 with tip..now I just drive to the hangar and park inside until I get back... Rick S. N246RS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:44:03 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: RV10-List: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2 Rick what altitude are you at while running LOP? I can run fine @ 4500' but have significant miss @ 8500' Deems Rick Sked wrote: > > I am getting pretty close to Thanes number's with mine as well with > about a 8 to 9 GPH fuel consumption. I have not tuned my injectors yet > but I have a pretty good idea which ones need to be swapped and they > are pretty darn close, I may not need to buy any to make it happen, > just need more flight data to work with to make the final plan to get > them in the right spots. BTW my Barretts IO-540 was rated at 263 HP > Verticle induction with go fast chrome valve covers...43K about two > years ago....never regretted the choice. Runs great. > > > > Rick S. > > N246RS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thane States" <thane2(at)comporium.net> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:06:45 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: RV10-List: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2 > > This individual was a guy who camped next to us. I never asked what > kit he used, PSRU, or prop. Again I never thjought we would be > running together that day. > The real reason ha tagged along was due to the fact that I had XM, > WX. He had Blue Mountain and did not have that capability. > Interesting that the BPE seems to have gone up in price, I paid around > $44 K. for mine 2 yrs ago. > Still when I get in and put my Family in the airplane, it was worth > every penny. > I also have fine tunned my restrictors, and can run LOP within around > 15 degrees. Runs realy smooth. I love it. > At LOP 55% I get around 155 kts TAS. > Thane > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Danny Riggs > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:04 AM > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2 > > What brand of PSRU did your friend have? Type of prop? Prop choice > can also make a huge difference. Pretty hard to beat a Barrett > Precision engine. i just wish I had the $52k they quoted me at > Oshkosh! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: rvbuilder(at)sausen.net <mailto:rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:35:00 -0500 > Subject: RE: RV10-List: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2 > > Thanks Thane. Im a big proponent of auto conversions, although > I also went with a Barrett engine, but we need more data to > understand the true value of the auto conversions. Any reports > like this really help. > > > > Michael > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Thane > States > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:00 PM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2 > > > > Just thought I would post some comparisons of a flight from > Oshkosh this year. > > I am not trying to stir up the pot, but rather offer some very > basic info I got when I flew with another RV-10 this year. > > As you all know there is a huge debate about the merits of auto > conversions, vs. standard power plants. > > FACTS: > > My RV-10 :was loaded with full fuel, 60 gallons. > > 3, pax. and camping gear. > > I have the BPE IO-540; 288 h.p. CAI. Hartzell > blended 2 blade prop. > > James plenum and holy cowl, and main wheel pants. > > > > Other RV-10 : loaded with 50 gallons of fuel, due to fuel leak. > > 2 pax. and camping gear, lots of tools. > > LS-2; 350 h.p. 3 blade prop, not sure which one. > > > > We took off in loose formation climbing up to 11,500 > > After my initial pwr. reduction to 25" 2500 rpm, I was told > by the other RV-10 that I was pulling away from him, so I pulled > the pwr back to around 23" and he said he was able to keep up. > > Later in cruise, I was again asked to pull back due to pulling > away from him. > > I finally ran at 55% pwr LOP. 10 GPH. And he was comfortable > and kept up fine. > > However, After we compared stats, he advised me that he was > burning 13-14 GPH. When I was still at 10 GPH. > > We continued on our flight constantly comparing #'s We ran > approx. the same prop speed and pwr settings as stated. > > However after around 2:45 in cruise and 10 minutes from fuel > stop, the other RV-10 stated that he had only 30 minutes of fuel > left, when I had 3 hrs. left. > > We did find out that the other tank might have had a fuel > leak in it as well. This is what he told me I could no validate > that, just interesting, I thought. > > So just my observation. I could clearly pull away from a much > more powerful LS-2 powered RV-10 in climb and in cruise. And all > the while burning far less gas. > > Again none of this was pre planned and at all scientific. Just 2 > RV-10'S having fun and heading in the same direction on a > beautiful day. > > I don't know at what speed he would have been able to keep up and > I don't know how accurate his fuel burn #'s were, I know mine are > close to spot on!! > > Just thought I would share this info with those who may be on the > fence about pwr. plant choice. > > I know I could not be more pleased with my engine choice! > > > > Thane States > > #40337 > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ronics.com > ww.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Free, trusted anct/01/' target='_new'>Get it now. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 15, 2009
Subject: QB Fuselage Question
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
I'm at the dreaded front floor removal debate. Adding to the anxiety is the fact that the floorboards to side skin rails mismatch the holes by 1/4 to 1/2" and I see no give at all in the side skins, nor the floor ribs to close that gap. I'm leaning towards removing at least one gear weldment and floor board to see what is there and to install insulation. Not to mention that the 9 pop rivets holding the floor in are button heads, not flush, even though the skin is dimpled for flush. Thoughts? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Oct 15, 2009
As I'm sure you know, cruise speed is rather insensitive to power, and very sensitive to airframe drag. OTOH, climb rate is rather sensitive to power (especially at typical climb speeds where drag is less). Did you get any head to head (same IAS, same power settings) comparisons of climb rate? -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268105#268105 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Oct 15, 2009
Subject: Re: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2
Another point to make is that the cruise speed of the RV-10 is fairly sensitive to CG. Bob N442PM (flying) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2 As I'm sure you know, cruise speed is rather insensitive to power, and very sensitive to airframe drag. OTOH, climb rate is rather sensitive to power (especially at typical climb speeds where drag is less). Did you get any head to head (same IAS, same power settings) comparisons of climb rate? -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268105#268105 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: QB Fuselage Question
Date: Oct 15, 2009
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Hey Kelly, I just went through this and I'd encourage you not to do it. It's is a royal PITA and I'm sorry I did it. I fixed the alignment issues by starting to cleco in the center of the floor plan and working my way to the sides. Everything aligned just fine. A word of advice though. Check the torque values on those AN3 bolts. I'll bet they're torqued up to 85 inches. I replaced the bolts that I could easily replace and I replaced nearly all of the nuts and retorqued to 25 inches. But I wouldn't wish a main gear mount removal on my worst enemy. Never. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Question I'm at the dreaded front floor removal debate. Adding to the anxiety is the fact that the floorboards to side skin rails mismatch the holes by 1/4 to 1/2" and I see no give at all in the side skins, nor the floor ribs to close that gap. I'm leaning towards removing at least one gear weldment and floor board to see what is there and to install insulation. Not to mention that the 9 pop rivets holding the floor in are button heads, not flush, even though the skin is dimpled for flush. Thoughts? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: AFM RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Oct 15, 2009
Hi there, I was wondering if you did connect the AFS RPM sensor on the magnet or the LS ignition, or is it even possible to wire both and choose via software where the signal comes from. Thanks Michael -------- RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268115#268115 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Oct 15, 2009
Kelly, I don't know about the gap, but there is no other reason to remove the floor boards. After drilling out the temp rivets you will be able to pull up the aft edge of the floor boards, without removing it altogether. That will give you enough access to snake a hose forward to vacuum out whatever the QB guys left for you. I was also able to insert pieces of insulation and slide them forward. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268117#268117 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: QB Fuselage Question
Date: Oct 15, 2009
Agreed. But until I spoke to Vans in 2005 about their failure to install the 4 nut plates for the forward gear mount supports. The front floors and gear mounts had to be removed to install these nut plates. After 2005 the nut plate for the forward gear mount support have been installed by the QB, eliminating the requirement to remove the gear mounts and the front floors. Ditto for the rear floors; suggest not removing the rear floors; no need. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Question Hey Kelly, I just went through this and I'd encourage you not to do it. It's is a royal PITA and I'm sorry I did it. I fixed the alignment issues by starting to cleco in the center of the floor plan and working my way to the sides. Everything aligned just fine. A word of advice though. Check the torque values on those AN3 bolts. I'll bet they're torqued up to 85 inches. I replaced the bolts that I could easily replace and I replaced nearly all of the nuts and retorqued to 25 inches. But I wouldn't wish a main gear mount removal on my worst enemy. Never. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Question I'm at the dreaded front floor removal debate. Adding to the anxiety is the fact that the floorboards to side skin rails mismatch the holes by 1/4 to 1/2" and I see no give at all in the side skins, nor the floor ribs to close that gap. I'm leaning towards removing at least one gear weldment and floor board to see what is there and to install insulation. Not to mention that the 9 pop rivets holding the floor in are button heads, not flush, even though the skin is dimpled for flush. Thoughts? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 15, 2009
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
The rear floors come off easy, the pop rivets were wrong and had to be drilled anyway. I'll take the suggestion to just pry one corner on the front floorboards. I'll try clecoing the front floor together, but sure looks like a serious mismatch. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM, David McNeill wrote: > > Agreed. But until I spoke to Vans in 2005 about their failure to install the > 4 nut plates for the forward gear mount supports. The front floors and gear > mounts had to be removed to install these nut plates. After 2005 the nut > plate for the forward gear mount support have been installed by the QB, > eliminating the requirement to remove the gear mounts and the front floors. > Ditto for the rear floors; suggest not removing the rear floors; no need. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:43 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Question > > > Hey Kelly, > > I just went through this and I'd encourage you not to do it. It's is a > royal PITA and I'm sorry I did it. > > I fixed the alignment issues by starting to cleco in the center of the floor > plan and working my way to the sides. Everything aligned just fine. > > A word of advice though. Check the torque values on those AN3 bolts. > I'll bet they're torqued up to 85 inches. I replaced the bolts that I could > easily replace and I replaced nearly all of the nuts and retorqued to 25 > inches. > > But I wouldn't wish a main gear mount removal on my worst enemy. Never. > > Phil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:55 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Question > > > I'm at the dreaded front floor removal debate. Adding to the anxiety is the > fact that the floorboards to side skin rails mismatch the holes by 1/4 to > 1/2" and I see no give at all in the side skins, nor the floor ribs to close > that gap. I'm leaning towards removing at least one gear weldment and floor > board to see what is there and to install insulation. Not to mention that > the 9 pop rivets holding the floor in are button heads, not flush, even > though the skin is dimpled for flush. > Thoughts? > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fuel transducer
Date: Oct 15, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
Correct, that is why I was specific on my first email "Fuel Pressure Transducer" then I saw what could be confusing and sent the PDF so Phil could have the official document detailing all units. BTW I did have a problem with my Fuel Pressure and sent it back to UMA where they rebuilt it so maybe they do make their own which is not a comforting thought after speaking with them twice on the phone. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:42 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel transducer Robin, According to the document you sent the Fuel Flow transducer is Flo Scan. The pressure sensors are UMA. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Robin Marks wrote: Phil, Allow me to clarify the G900x sensor selection (attached). Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: fuel transducer What does the G900X use? Phil From: William Curtis [mailto:wcurtis(at)nerv10.com] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: fuel transducer Though physically different, electrically both the Electronics International (EI) "Red Cube" (used by EI and AFS) and FloScan (used by JPI, GRT, et al) are the same. The FloScan part used to be the only game in town. Fuel flow sensors used to cost around $600. EI developed their own electrically compatible "Red Cube" to offer with their line of engine instruments and the competition has brought the price of fuel flow sensors down to about $200. Both units are fully TSO'd--not that it matter for experimentals. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson < MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote: MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> And if you are going with GRT, they have their own. I think you want to wait until you decide on 1) the brand of the equipment that will be reading it, 2) your equipment acquisition method. The sensor is brand specific as far as I know and if you use a Stein-type builder, they will get the sensor to you when needed. If you are a DIY panel guy, you work with whoever you get the equipment from. I don't think there's any hurry. The location(s) is easily accessible later. Panel brand preferences will change. Acting sooner than later could cost a few bucks. And read up on the location of sensor to reduce fuel pump turbulence - I don't know if that's a real issue or not but it has been discussed. Bill "got to go to work" Watson orchidman wrote: If you are going with AFS, it comes with the kit. I would put it up front and go with the stock fuel pump & filter in the stock location. Some of the early AFS supplied transducers had a leak but were recalled by the manufacturer and the current ones are tight and accurate. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268022#268022 List Un/Subscription, www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> 10/14/09 18:32:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 10/15/09 12:02:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 15, 2009
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
You win the prize for the best advice. Got one floor board up this afternoon. Also managed to find that I could get the floor board clecod except for the rear outer two holes...which appear to not have been drilled. Jim Berry wrote: > > Kelly, > > I don't know about the gap, but there is no other reason to remove the floor boards. After drilling out the temp rivets you will be able to pull up the aft edge of the floor boards, without removing it altogether. That will give you enough access to snake a hose forward to vacuum out whatever the QB guys left for you. I was also able to insert pieces of insulation and slide them forward. > > Jim Berry > 40482 > N15JB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
Date: Oct 15, 2009
I seem to remember that the pop rivets in the front and rear floors are temporary and are supposed to be removed and replaced with pop rivets called out in the plans. I agree with Phil that taking the gear weldments/front floors out is not worth the grief. You will be undoing work that you paid to have done at the QB factory. David Maib 40559 Flying On Oct 15, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: The rear floors come off easy, the pop rivets were wrong and had to be drilled anyway. I'll take the suggestion to just pry one corner on the front floorboards. I'll try clecoing the front floor together, but sure looks like a serious mismatch. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM, David McNeill wrote: > > Agreed. But until I spoke to Vans in 2005 about their failure to > install the > 4 nut plates for the forward gear mount supports. The front floors > and gear > mounts had to be removed to install these nut plates. After 2005 > the nut > plate for the forward gear mount support have been installed by the > QB, > eliminating the requirement to remove the gear mounts and the front > floors. > Ditto for the rear floors; suggest not removing the rear floors; no > need. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:43 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Question > > > Hey Kelly, > > I just went through this and I'd encourage you not to do it. It's > is a > royal PITA and I'm sorry I did it. > > I fixed the alignment issues by starting to cleco in the center of > the floor > plan and working my way to the sides. Everything aligned just fine. > > A word of advice though. Check the torque values on those AN3 bolts. > I'll bet they're torqued up to 85 inches. I replaced the bolts > that I could > easily replace and I replaced nearly all of the nuts and retorqued > to 25 > inches. > > But I wouldn't wish a main gear mount removal on my worst enemy. > Never. > > Phil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:55 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: QB Fuselage Question > > > I'm at the dreaded front floor removal debate. Adding to the > anxiety is the > fact that the floorboards to side skin rails mismatch the holes by > 1/4 to > 1/2" and I see no give at all in the side skins, nor the floor ribs > to close > that gap. I'm leaning towards removing at least one gear weldment > and floor > board to see what is there and to install insulation. Not to > mention that > the 9 pop rivets holding the floor in are button heads, not flush, > even > though the skin is dimpled for flush. > Thoughts? > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Oct 15, 2009
> Just thought I would post some comparisons of a flight from Oshkosh this year. > I am not trying to stir up the pot, but rather offer some very basic info I got when I flew with another RV-10 this year. > As you all know there is a huge debate about the merits of auto conversions, vs. standard power plants. > FACTS: Since you ARE stirring up the pot, which primer did you use? John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268164#268164 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fuel transducer
From: "rvdave" <davidbf(at)centurytel.net>
Date: Oct 15, 2009
Thanks for the info and the photos. Now I realize the FT 60 is the red cube and the gray is the flo-scan. Actually I see now I have the flo-scan in my RV6 which came with my engine monitor, IK2000. I have it mounted in the engine compartment in a horizontal run before the mechanical fuel pump, where I was told would have the most accurate readings. It is not stable most of the time as I would expect it to be and my digital readout is always fluctuating, not sure if the FT60 would be any better? I believe that is the reason Matt Dralle sells the pulsation dampener? I don't have that but am tempted to try it. I believe I will wait to see which monitoring system I end up with and use what has been tested with that system, thanks all. -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268167#268167 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Oct 15, 2009
You paid a lot for the QB. If you are really terrified of what you might find under the front floors, buy a fiber optic scope and look. There are lightening holes behind every space located at the aft end under the seats. Vacuum hoses and magnets also work well. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268168#268168 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: fuel transducer
From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
Date: Oct 16, 2009
My red cube is ROCK solid....the engine sputters when the AFS 3500 says 29.5 gals used....never fluctuates and is mounted in "God forbid" the tunnel in front of the pump/filter.....FWIW...and it's flyin...IMHO which is based on flyin just my 2 cents worth... Rick S. N246RS ------Original Message------ From: rvdave Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Oct 15, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: fuel transducer Thanks for the info and the photos. Now I realize the FT 60 is the red cube and the gray is the flo-scan. Actually I see now I have the flo-scan in my RV6 which came with my engine monitor, IK2000. I have it mounted in the engine compartment in a horizontal run before the mechanical fuel pump, where I was told would have the most accurate readings. It is not stable most of the time as I would expect it to be and my digital readout is always fluctuating, not sure if the FT60 would be any better? I believe that is the reason Matt Dralle sells the pulsation dampener? I don't have that but am tempted to try it. I believe I will wait to see which monitoring system I end up with and use what has been tested with that system, thanks all. -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268167#268167 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 15, 2009
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
What good kit hasn't been assembled and disassembled at least 4 times? Somehow, half dozen screws and temporary pop rivets aren't a big deal to be able to install some good insulation down there, to help keep cabin noise tolerable. johngoodman wrote: > > You paid a lot for the QB. If you are really terrified of what you might find under the front floors, buy a fiber optic scope and look. There are lightening holes behind every space located at the aft end under the seats. > Vacuum hoses and magnets also work well. > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. > N711JG reserved > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268168#268168 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Engine mount boos nuts and washers
Date: Oct 15, 2009
I am ready to lift the engine out of the box with my new engine hoist. I don't seem to find anywhere in the documentation with the engine or the F WF that discusses attaching the mount bosses to the engine case. I presume the correct sized 16 nuts=2C 16 flat washers and 16 internal tooth lock was hers located with the air carburator unit are for this purpose. What I would also like to know is these nuts have a raised circular portion on one side. I presume that this raised side goes against the serrated was her so that it engages serrations of the lock washer. But then again=2C thi s leaves less surface area of the nut on the lock washer perimeter which th en would ordinarily push down on the other washer? What is the correct dire ction? Seems like a pretty important item to not have any mention of in the documa ntation?? Thanks=2C John G ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Oct 15, 2009
I will second John's recommendation re a fiber optic scope. See the multiple postings on the Aerolectric list about the Harbor Freight unit. I bought one on sale for $100 and have used it many times. It is a hair too big to slip through a spark plug hole though. I am even thinking about doing my own colonoscopy with it. Probably would not have to worry about anyone pilfering it after that. Jim Berry 40482 N15Jb Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268173#268173 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
Date: Oct 15, 2009
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Hey Kelly, One other thing I did is replace the AN515-8R8 screws on the front of the seat covers with NAS1801-08-8 structural hex head screws. The head is a little smaller than the kit provided screws, but I like the ability to use a 1/4" nut driver, socket, wrench, or screw driver for removal. That bottom one that is the most inboard is a ******.... Not anymore though. :) Phil -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:kellym(at)aviating.com] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: QB Fuselage Question What good kit hasn't been assembled and disassembled at least 4 times? Somehow, half dozen screws and temporary pop rivets aren't a big deal to be able to install some good insulation down there, to help keep cabin noise tolerable. johngoodman wrote: > > You paid a lot for the QB. If you are really terrified of what you might find under the front floors, buy a fiber optic scope and look. There are lightening holes behind every space located at the aft end under the seats. > Vacuum hoses and magnets also work well. > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. > N711JG reserved > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268168#268168 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Oct 15, 2009
> What good kit hasn't been assembled and disassembled at least 4 times? > Somehow, half dozen screws and temporary pop rivets aren't a big deal to > be able to install some good insulation down there, to help keep cabin > noise tolerable. Ah, my favorite subject. A good insulation. Try this: Abesco FP 200. I don't have an interest in it other than I like it and use it. Here is a place to start your research: http://cableorganizer.com/abesco-fire-rated-foam/ John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268178#268178 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Engine mount boos nuts and washers
Date: Oct 15, 2009
Are you talking about the engine mounted on the engine mount? if so FF1-5. From: John Gonzalez Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: RV10-List: Engine mount boos nuts and washers I am ready to lift the engine out of the box with my new engine hoist. I don't seem to find anywhere in the documentation with the engine or the FWF that discusses attaching the mount bosses to the engine case. I presume the correct sized 16 nuts, 16 flat washers and 16 internal tooth lock washers located with the air carburator unit are for this purpose. What I would also like to know is these nuts have a raised circular portion on one side. I presume that this raised side goes against the serrated washer so that it engages serrations of the lock washer. But then again, this leaves less surface area of the nut on the lock washer perimeter which then would ordinarily push down on the other washer? What is the correct direction? Seems like a pretty important item to not have any mention of in the documantation?? Thanks, John G ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Garmin G3X
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Oct 15, 2009
I have been looking at the G3X now since I have gone through every other avionics option. I called Garmin about some questions I had about the system. They really didn't have anything to tell me or know anything to tell me. I was transferred four times until I had a field technician who "knew" the G3X system. I asked him if the GTS 800 TCAS would work with the G3x. He didn't know. I would think that it would work with it since most of Garmin's stuff seems to interface well with each other. I also asked him if the VFR WAAS internal GPS will ever be certified IFR and he said,"no it won't be." I thought that was weird but I guess you just have to drive it with a 430 or 530 to be IFR certified. Also I asked him which fuel transducer it uses since I already bought the red cube but again he didn't know. I suppose it would be the same as the G900X that Robin already CLEARLY stated. Maybe someone on the Matronics knows more. Anyone? -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268183#268183 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Garmin G3X
Date: Oct 16, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
Well the one thing you can say about Garmin support is that when they don't know something they tell you....Often. Again there are very few people qualified at Garmin to explain serious lacking & confusing documentation. One has to call before Kansas closes to get support for these systems. I assume the field service reps outside corporate are there to expedite hardware exchanges or the like. It's not just me I am working with a technically skilled aircraft mechanic who keeps asking me "why do they do it that way?". As to the G3X I am fairly sure the GTS 800 will work. Ca-Ching. But nice to have the option for sure. I plan to install it on our G900. I also assume that the VFR WAAS GPS is for liability reasons (targeting the LSA market etc...) as well as leaving the proud owner the ability to Option Up to IFR certified by adding a 430W. Geeee, remind who makes 430W's again? Ok, I can live with that, I have to have a nice nav/comm anyway. If Garmin would only came out with some plug & play package; pre-assembled harnesses between their devices or to a common hub so even the electrically challenged could build up a system this would be a sweet package. That is until you try to update the system software. Teehee. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:56 PM Subject: RV10-List: Garmin G3X I have been looking at the G3X now since I have gone through every other avionics option. I called Garmin about some questions I had about the system. They really didn't have anything to tell me or know anything to tell me. I was transferred four times until I had a field technician who "knew" the G3X system. I asked him if the GTS 800 TCAS would work with the G3x. He didn't know. I would think that it would work with it since most of Garmin's stuff seems to interface well with each other. I also asked him if the VFR WAAS internal GPS will ever be certified IFR and he said,"no it won't be." I thought that was weird but I guess you just have to drive it with a 430 or 530 to be IFR certified. Also I asked him which fuel transducer it uses since I already bought the red cube but again he didn't know. I suppose it would be the same as the G900X that Robin already CLEARLY stated. Maybe someone on the Matronics knows more. Anyone? -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268183#268183 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 10/15/09 20:39:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
Date: Oct 16, 2009
We removed the mounts on my buddies -10. Cleaned, primed, and insulated under the floors. Yes the holes were hard to get back lined up, but you can do it. It isn't nearly as hard as the fiberglass you will soon find..... Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:14 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > What good kit hasn't been assembled and disassembled at least 4 > times? Somehow, half dozen screws and temporary pop rivets aren't a > big deal to be able to install some good insulation down there, to > help keep cabin noise tolerable. > > johngoodman wrote: >> > >> You paid a lot for the QB. If you are really terrified of what you >> might find under the front floors, buy a fiber optic scope and >> look. There are lightening holes behind every space located at the >> aft end under the seats. >> Vacuum hoses and magnets also work well. >> John >> -------- >> #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine >> & Panel delivery soon. >> N711JG reserved >> Read this topic online here: >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268168#268168 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: Engine mount boos nuts and washers
Date: Oct 16, 2009
You are correct on the number & size. The engine should have a bag of hardware for that. The nut usually has one flat (like a washer) side and the other side is a little rounded at the corner of the flats. The flat side goes against the lock washer. The order is flat washer, internal tooth lock washer, nut with flat side in. I have the torque values at the shop. Give me a call later this morning & I'll look them up for you. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation jesse(at)saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2009, at 11:18 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: > I am ready to lift the engine out of the box with my new engine hoist. > > I don't seem to find anywhere in the documentation with the engine > or the FWF that discusses attaching the mount bosses to the engine > case. I presume the correct sized 16 nuts, 16 flat washers and 16 > internal tooth lock washers located with the air carburator unit are > for this purpose. > > What I would also like to know is these nuts have a raised circular > portion on one side. I presume that this raised side goes against > the serrated washer so that it engages serrations of the lock > washer. But then again, this leaves less surface area of the nut on > the lock washer perimeter which then would ordinarily push down on > the other washer? What is the correct direction? > > Seems like a pretty important item to not have any mention of in the > documantation?? > > Thanks, > > John G > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2009
Subject: Re: AFM RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
Even though AFS has a provision electronic ignition tach, the harness that come with the AFS does NOT include a pin or wire for for it. You have to add this additional wire if you want RPM indication from the electronic ignition on the AFS. Did you add this additional wire from the LS input connector pin 6 to the AFS EM harness pin 33? See page 4: http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10WireBookAll.pdf William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Don McDonald wrote: > Jim, I tried everything to get my Lightspeed to talk to my AFS.... with > no success. Robs people were great, but still nothing. I have a backup > Vans tach that I had to hook up using the cable and such out of the back of > the motor. What did you do to get it to work. Gotta be specific here... > Not at the hanger, so I can't cite pin numbers... hopefully you can... > Sure would be nice to get it to work, > > --- On *Thu, 10/15/09, Jim * wrote: > > > From: Jim <jim(at)combsfive.com> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFM RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 5:19 PM > > Have the same configuration Lightspeed on the left and magneto on the > right. I wired the AFS tach to the lightspeed ignition. > > Jim C > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Garmin G3X
Date: Oct 16, 2009
Sounds like Garmin is becoming the King Radio of the 1970s. No customer service and arrogant attitude; how long will the technical superiority last? How long will they be able to buy their technically superior competitors? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:56 PM Subject: RV10-List: Garmin G3X I have been looking at the G3X now since I have gone through every other avionics option. I called Garmin about some questions I had about the system. They really didn't have anything to tell me or know anything to tell me. I was transferred four times until I had a field technician who "knew" the G3X system. I asked him if the GTS 800 TCAS would work with the G3x. He didn't know. I would think that it would work with it since most of Garmin's stuff seems to interface well with each other. I also asked him if the VFR WAAS internal GPS will ever be certified IFR and he said,"no it won't be." I thought that was weird but I guess you just have to drive it with a 430 or 530 to be IFR certified. Also I asked him which fuel transducer it uses since I already bought the red cube but again he didn't know. I suppose it would be the same as the G900X that Robin already CLEARLY stated. Maybe someone on the Matronics knows more. Anyone? -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268183#268183 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Garmin G3X
Date: Oct 16, 2009
Have you tried talking to Stein....or maybe the guys at Stark? Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:56 PM Subject: RV10-List: Garmin G3X I have been looking at the G3X now since I have gone through every other avionics option. I called Garmin about some questions I had about the system. They really didn't have anything to tell me or know anything to tell me. I was transferred four times until I had a field technician who "knew" the G3X system. I asked him if the GTS 800 TCAS would work with the G3x. He didn't know. I would think that it would work with it since most of Garmin's stuff seems to interface well with each other. I also asked him if the VFR WAAS internal GPS will ever be certified IFR and he said,"no it won't be." I thought that was weird but I guess you just have to drive it with a 430 or 530 to be IFR certified. Also I asked him which fuel transducer it uses since I already bought the red cube but again he didn't know. I suppose it would be the same as the G900X that Robin already CLEARLY stated. Maybe someone on the Matronics knows more. Anyone? -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268183#268183 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2009
From: tgesele(at)optonline.net
Subject: High EGT on #2 Cylinder
During flight testing, the EGT on the #2 cylinder is running consistently higher (~75-90 deg) than the others. I've flown the plane with / without the wheel pants and noticed temperature jumped with them on at the same power setting. Based on this, I'm assuming that it has something to do with the vent in the injector port (I'm running the AFP unit) leaning the mixture in that cylinder more than the others. Has anyone else run into this? Any suggestions on how to even them out? Thanks, Tom Gesele N629RV - Phase I ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Thane States" <thane2(at)comporium.net>
Subject: Re: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2
Date: Oct 16, 2009
Ah, primer wars, I love it. S.W wash, that ugly green stuff!! Thane ----- Original Message ----- From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:39 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: BPE IO-540, VS LS-2 > > >> Just thought I would post some comparisons of a flight from Oshkosh this >> year. >> I am not trying to stir up the pot, but rather offer some very basic info >> I got when I flew with another RV-10 this year. >> As you all know there is a huge debate about the merits of auto >> conversions, vs. standard power plants. >> FACTS: > > > Since you ARE stirring up the pot, which primer did you use? > > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & > Panel delivery soon. > N711JG reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268164#268164 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2009
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: High EGT on #2 Cylinder
That's what all that talk was a few weeks ago about putting a blocking plate in front of the injector, to block the air. This is especially a concern with the James Cowl. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD tgesele(at)optonline.net wrote: > During flight testing, the EGT on the #2 cylinder is running > consistently higher (~75-90 deg) than the others. I've flown the plane > with / without the wheel pants and noticed temperature jumped with them > on at the same power setting. Based on this, I'm assuming that it has > something to do with the vent in the injector port (I'm running the AFP > unit) leaning the mixture in that cylinder more than the others. Has > anyone else run into this? Any suggestions on how to even them out? > Thanks, > Tom Gesele N629RV - Phase I ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2009
Subject: Re: Garmin G3X
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Somehow I don't want to sign up for more of the Garmin/Jepp gravy train than I have to. It will be bad enough to have to feed a 430 update machine without also buying their EFIS updates as well. The AFS, Dynon and GRT systems seem to offer more, but it is like picking ice cream flavors. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Strasnuts wrote: > > I have been looking at the G3X now since I have gone through every other avionics option. I called Garmin about some questions I had about the system. They really didn't have anything to tell me or know anything to tell me. I was transferred four times until I had a field technician who "knew" the G3X system. I asked him if the GTS 800 TCAS would work with the G3x. He didn't know. I would think that it would work with it since most of Garmin's stuff seems to interface well with each other. I also asked him if the VFR WAAS internal GPS will ever be certified IFR and he said,"no it won't be." I thought that was weird but I guess you just have to drive it with a 430 or 530 to be IFR certified. Also I asked him which fuel transducer it uses since I already bought the red cube but again he didn't know. I suppose it would be the same as the G900X that Robin already CLEARLY stated. Maybe someone on the Matronics knows more. Anyone? > > -------- > Cust. #40936 > RV-10 SB Fuselage > N801VR reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268183#268183 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2009
From: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: High EGT on #2 Cylinder
Are you running the front cylinder baffels at the stock size? I had to trim mine down a little at a time, made a big difference. ----- Original Message ----- From: tgesele(at)optonline.net Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:10:57 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: RV10-List: High EGT on #2 Cylinder During flight testing, the EGT on the #2 cylinder is running consistently h igher (~75-90 deg)=C2-than the others. I've flown the plane with / withou t the wheel pants and noticed temperature jumped with them on at the same p ower setting. Based on this, I'm assuming that it has something to do with the vent in the injector port (I'm running the AFP unit) leaning the mixtur e in that cylinder more than the others. Has anyone else run into this?=C2 -Any suggestions on how to even them out?=C2- Thanks, =C2- Tom Gesele N629RV - Phase I ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2009
From: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: High EGT on #2 Cylinder
Give Don a call at Airflow, He will want some flight data (temps)=C2-on a ll your cylinders along with answer your questions. They hold a class on ho w to tune them I think once a year I hear is VERY good. ----- Original Message ----- From: tgesele(at)optonline.net Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:10:57 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: RV10-List: High EGT on #2 Cylinder During flight testing, the EGT on the #2 cylinder is running consistently h igher (~75-90 deg)=C2-than the others. I've flown the plane with / withou t the wheel pants and noticed temperature jumped with them on at the same p ower setting. Based on this, I'm assuming that it has something to do with the vent in the injector port (I'm running the AFP unit) leaning the mixtur e in that cylinder more than the others. Has anyone else run into this?=C2 -Any suggestions on how to even them out?=C2- Thanks, =C2- Tom Gesele N629RV - Phase I ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AFM RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Oct 16, 2009
wcurtis(at)nerv10.com wrote: > Even though AFS has a provision electronic ignition tach, the harness that come with the AFS does NOT include a pin or wire for for it.? You have to add this additional wire if you want RPM indication from the electronic ignition on the AFS.? Did you add this additional wire from the LS input connector pin 6 to the AFS EM harness pin 33? > ? > See page 4: > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10WireBookAll.pdf (http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10WireBookAll.pdf) > ? > ? > William > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ (http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/) > William, I don't have my wiring diagram in front of me right now, but quickly looking at your page 4, why are you trying to connect both your mag and LEI inputs? I must be missing something. I have a Mag on the Left and LEI on the right. My rpm readings come from my Left Mag and I always have a reading no mater what I have selected, L, R, Both. If the engine is turning, I have an rpm reading. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268238#268238 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: High EGT on #2 Cylinder
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Oct 16, 2009
I had some wierd readings on my sensors when I started flying. If the engine is running smoothly, my first suspicion would be to check the sensor itself. Swap the sensor from #2 to #4 and then fly. If the high reading persisits - it is a defective sensor. Also as the prior post said - cut down the wind dam in front. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B Kit - phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268239#268239 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2009
Subject: Re: Garmin G3X
From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
Or study the G3X install manual<http://www.garmin.com/manuals/G3XElectronicFlightInstrumentationSystem_InstallManual.pdf> ? http://www.garmin.com/manuals/G3XElectronicFlightInstrumentationSystem_InstallManual.pdf The G3X seems to have all the required hardware ports to support the GTS 800. However, there is no way to tell if the required software is included in the current version. Page 1-2 of the install manual may answer some questions however. Garmin is relying heavily on the CAN bus<http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_CAN.html>with the G3X. This is a pretty cool interface. It is a non proprietary (less expensive) more flexible alternative to the ARINC 429 bus for future avionics products. It is currently used on Airbus, Mercedes-Benz, etc. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Rene Felker wrote: > > Have you tried talking to Stein....or maybe the guys at Stark? > > Rene' Felker > RV-10 N423CF Flying > 801-721-6080 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:56 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Garmin G3X > > > I have been looking at the G3X now since I have gone through every other > avionics option. I called Garmin about some questions I had about the > system. They really didn't have anything to tell me or know anything to > tell me. I was transferred four times until I had a field technician who > "knew" the G3X system. I asked him if the GTS 800 TCAS would work with the > G3x. He didn't know. I would think that it would work with it since most > of Garmin's stuff seems to interface well with each other. I also asked > him > if the VFR WAAS internal GPS will ever be certified IFR and he said,"no it > won't be." I thought that was weird but I guess you just have to drive it > with a 430 or 530 to be IFR certified. Also I asked him which fuel > transducer it uses since I already bought the red cube but again he didn't > know. I suppose it would be the same as the G900X that Robin already > CLEARLY stated. Maybe someone on the Matronics knows more. Anyone? > > -------- > Cust. #40936 > RV-10 SB Fuselage > N801VR reserved > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: High EGT on #2 Cylinder
Date: Oct 16, 2009
Remember that EGT is only a relative indication of exhaust temperature. Since the actual reading is highly dependent on the probe and probe location, comparing EGTs between cylinders should only be done for specific operating aspects, such as comparing fuel flow between each cylinder as each cylinder reaches peak. The absolute EGT readings between cylinders is only useful for gross problems such as a cylinder not firing. More important is the CHT readings between cylinders and where each cylinder is operating related to peak EGT for that cylinder. Recommend you take data (fuel flow, CHTs) on when each cylinder peaks. If you get cylinder EGTs between 20-40 degrees ROP or LOP, then you should be in good shape. A LOP example is the last cylinder to peak being at 20 degrees below its highest temperature with the first cylinder to peak being 40 degrees below its highest temperature. On my 8A, #4 cylinder is always the last to peak - being about 0.1 - 0.2 gals/hr lower at peak than the first cylinder to peak but still in the 20-40 degree range. I replaced the injector (Air Flow Performance) on that cylinder with one that is .001" smaller, but it made that cylinder peak very early. I'll need to call AFP to see if they have another size perhaps only .0005" smaller. If you end up with CHTs being much different but fuel flow at EGT peaks are about the same, then it is time to look at air damns and such. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (525 hrs) RV-10 (still doing fuselage "make it pretty" fiberglass stuff) From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tgesele(at)optonline.net Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: RV10-List: High EGT on #2 Cylinder During flight testing, the EGT on the #2 cylinder is running consistently higher (~75-90 deg) than the others. I've flown the plane with / without the wheel pants and noticed temperature jumped with them on at the same power setting. Based on this, I'm assuming that it has something to do with the vent in the injector port (I'm running the AFP unit) leaning the mixture in that cylinder more than the others. Has anyone else run into this? Any suggestions on how to even them out? Thanks, Tom Gesele N629RV - Phase I ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2009
Subject: More QB questions
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Neither F-1033-L or F-1033-R control column mounts were trimmed per Page 28-4 step one. Is there any reason for this step besides removing excess weight? Are the cutouts needed for clearance with something? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2009
Subject: Re: AFM RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
Ah, how about doing a mag check with other than your ear! --or being able to select from which device you want RPM indication. Why would you not? William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ William, > > I don't have my wiring diagram in front of me right now, but quickly > looking at your page 4, why are you trying to connect both your mag and LEI > inputs? I must be missing something. > > I have a Mag on the Left and LEI on the right. My rpm readings come from > my Left Mag and I always have a reading no mater what I have selected, L, R, > Both. If the engine is turning, I have an rpm reading. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: More QB questions
Date: Oct 16, 2009
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
I went ahead and removed mine to trim, but I don't really think it was required. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: RV10-List: More QB questions Neither F-1033-L or F-1033-R control column mounts were trimmed per Page 28-4 step one. Is there any reason for this step besides removing excess weight? Are the cutouts needed for clearance with something? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2009
Subject: Re: Garmin G3X
From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
For those that are interested in the CAN Bus, here is a great article<http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/CAN-Bus-in-Aviation_31468.html>with comparison to ARINC 429. http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/CAN-Bus-in-Aviation_31468.html Because it is also used in automobiles, economies of scale should make CAN-buss interfaces ubiquitous on future avionics. Instead of all those discrete wires, you only have 4 wires into any device (power, ground and CAN). Plug this device into you passive CAN-bus "hub" and you are done with the wiring. Can't wait. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM, William Curtis wrote: > Or study the G3X install manual<http://www.garmin.com/manuals/G3XElectronicFlightInstrumentationSystem_InstallManual.pdf> > ? > > http://www.garmin.com/manuals/G3XElectronicFlightInstrumentationSystem_InstallManual.pdf > > The G3X seems to have all the required hardware ports to support the GTS > 800. However, there is no way to tell if the required software is included > in the current version. Page 1-2 of the install manual may answer some > questions however. > > Garmin is relying heavily on the CAN bus<http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_CAN.html>with the G3X. This is a pretty cool interface. It is a non > proprietary (less expensive) more flexible alternative to the ARINC 429 bus > for future avionics products. It is currently used on Airbus, > Mercedes-Benz, etc. > > William > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: High EGT on #2 Cylinder
Date: Oct 16, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
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Subject: Re: AFM RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Oct 16, 2009
wcurtis(at)nerv10.com wrote: > Ah, how about doing a mag check with other than your ear! --or being able to select from which device you want RPM indication. Why would you not? > > William > William, I think you are missing a key point here. You mount the sender on the mag and it detects magneto revolutions. Maybe you have a different mag but on mine the sender mounts in the hole that the black vent plug goes in. It has nothing to do with the fact that the mag is engaged or not engaged. Unless the mag shaft breaks or the mag falls off the back of the engine, the main shaft of the mag will be rotating and the sender will detect the rpm of the shaft and therefore the engine. In this configuration, the left mag can be on or off and the right LSI can be on or off, as long as the mag shaft is turning, the AFS EM unit will indicate the engine speed. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268283#268283 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Lycoming Torque Values.pdf
Date: Oct 16, 2009
Thanks Jesse=2C Looks like I need to get one of these mauals=2C but until t hen=2C thank you. JOhn G. > From: jesse(at)saintaviation.com > Subject: RV10-List: Lycoming Torque Values.pdf > Date: Fri=2C 16 Oct 2009 11:43:21 -0400 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > Attached is the Torque Table from the Lycoming Direct Drive Overhaul > Manual. I don't know if Tim has this on his website already=2C but this > is just a scan from my manual for those who want the information. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Engine mount boos nuts and washers
Date: Oct 16, 2009
I was refering to the ears that need to be attached to the case on the engi ne. Each one has four bolts sticking out of the case. Jesse gave me the values and the information. Thanks. From: rv10builder(at)verizon.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine mount boos nuts and washers Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 21:47:26 -0700 Are you talking about the engine mounted on the engine mount? if so FF1-5. From: John Gonzalez Sent: Thursday=2C October 15=2C 2009 8:18 PM Subject: RV10-List: Engine mount boos nuts and washers I am ready to lift the engine out of the box with my new engine hoist. I don't seem to find anywhere in the documentation with the engine or the FWF that discusses attaching the mount bosses to the engine case. I presume the correct sized 16 nuts=2C 16 flat washers and 16 internal tooth lock washers located with the air carburator unit are for this purpose. What I would also like to know is these nuts have a raised circular portion on one side. I presume that this raised side goes against the serrated wash er so that it engages serrations of the lock washer. But then again=2C this leave s less surface area of the nut on the lock washer perimeter which then would ordin arily push down on the other washer? What is the correct direction? Seems like a pretty important item to not have any mention of in the documantation?? Thanks=2C John G href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com title="http://www.matronics.com/contribution CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" >http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AFM RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
Date: Oct 17, 2009
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From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: Garmin G3X
Date: - - - , 20-
Stein called me today. What customer service, I have only bought the servos and transducer from them so far. I will definetely be using them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:02 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin G3X > > Have you tried talking to Stein....or maybe the guys at Stark? > > Rene' Felker > RV-10 N423CF Flying > 801-721-6080 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:56 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Garmin G3X > > > I have been looking at the G3X now since I have gone through every other > avionics option. I called Garmin about some questions I had about the > system. They really didn't have anything to tell me or know anything to > tell me. I was transferred four times until I had a field technician who > "knew" the G3X system. I asked him if the GTS 800 TCAS would work with > the > G3x. He didn't know. I would think that it would work with it since most > of Garmin's stuff seems to interface well with each other. I also asked > him > if the VFR WAAS internal GPS will ever be certified IFR and he said,"no it > won't be." I thought that was weird but I guess you just have to drive it > with a 430 or 530 to be IFR certified. Also I asked him which fuel > transducer it uses since I already bought the red cube but again he didn't > know. I suppose it would be the same as the G900X that Robin already > CLEARLY stated. Maybe someone on the Matronics knows more. Anyone? > > -------- > Cust. #40936 > RV-10 SB Fuselage > N801VR reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268183#268183 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2009
Subject: Re: AFM RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
Gary, Yup, I'm confuse by the question and think I missed your point again. AFS provides for RPM input on PINs 16,31 & 32 with the included mag sensor--I wired that. AFS also provide for RPM indication with Electronic Ignition on pin 33 --so I wired that also. This gives me the option of which device, mag or Electronic Ignition to get the RPM indicaton from. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM, orchidman wrote: > > > wcurtis(at)nerv10.com wrote: > > Ah, how about doing a mag check with other than your ear! --or being ab le > to select from which device you want RPM indication.=EF=BD Why would y ou not? > > =EF=BD > > William > > > > William, > I think you are missing a key point here. You mount the sender on the ma g > and it detects magneto revolutions. Maybe you have a different mag but o n > mine the sender mounts in the hole that the black vent plug goes in. It has > nothing to do with the fact that the mag is engaged or not engaged. Unle ss > the mag shaft breaks or the mag falls off the back of the engine, the mai n > shaft of the mag will be rotating and the sender will detect the rpm of t he > shaft and therefore the engine. > In this configuration, the left mag can be on or off and the right LSI ca n > be on or off, as long as the mag shaft is turning, the AFS EM unit will > indicate the engine speed. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268283#268283 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: G900X System Update
Date: Oct 17, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
Well I finally got to update the G900X system software. All in it should take an hour to 90 minutes to complete as long as you know what you are doing. We were completely uncomfortable with a few early prompts that read as if you are deleting aircraft parameters like fuel & trim calibrations. Now don't get me wrong it is kind of easy to authorize the complete dump of your calibrations but with the helpful assistance of Tim at Garmin we worked out way through the process and completed the update. He is as frustrated as owners are about the process as he has to deal with many of the questions from an ever growing fleet of G900 aircraft. I flew my regular commute today and all is well with the exception of the Synthetic Vision and Pathways (HITS) no longer work. Apparently I have to reauthorize the SVS again to make it available on my system. Of note there is no way to save the user settings like Flight Plans, user way points, screen set up etc... This is a minor inconvenience to me as I didn't have many flight plans saved or many user waypoints but the ones I did have I really liked and there is no way to replace the many of the user waypoints other than flying over the specific spots I wanted and recreating them only to be lost again when the next update comes in Q1, 2010. Seems to me that when designing a sophisticated system like this that backing up user info would be a Release v1.0 item. Regardless I am pleased to now better understand the system and be current. Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AFM RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Oct 17, 2009
wcurtis(at)nerv10.com wrote: > Gary, > > Yup, I'm confuse by the question andthink I missed your point again. > > AFS provides for RPM input on PINs 16,31 &32 with the included mag sensor--I wired that. AFS also provide for RPM indication with Electronic Ignition on pin 33 --so I wired that also. This gives me the option of which device, mag or Electronic Ignition to get the RPM indicaton from. > > William > I think I see what you are also trying to say. You will go into setup and tell it which source you want? I don't think we can display 2 sources at the same time, can we? Have not looked. And if you switch off the LSI as in a mag check, with LSI selected in setup, will you get any RPM reading? While I loose some redundancy and a backup option, I went with what I think is a simpler solution and just went with the single source. If I lost RPM's at run-up, it would be back to the hanger, but I have flown the plane enough now that if I lost it on TO or enroute, I know I would be able to land uneventfully. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268319#268319 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 17, 2009
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: AFM RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
Yes, I added the wire to that pin... that was the easy part.... then AFS to ld me I needed to install a 10k ohm resistor in series, and run a leg to gr ound. did that. still nothing. So apparently all you did was run the wire from LS #6 to AFS 33? Sure wish it had been that easy for me. Don McDonald --- On Fri, 10/16/09, William Curtis wrote: From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFM RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 5:00 AM Even though AFS has a provision electronic ignition tach, the harness that come with the AFS does NOT include a pin or wire for for it.- You have to add this additional wire if you want RPM indication from the electronic ig nition on the AFS.- Did you add this additional wire from the LS input co nnector pin 6 to the AFS EM harness pin 33? - See page 4: http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10WireBookAll.pdf - - William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Don McDonald wrote: Jim, I tried everything to get my Lightspeed to talk to my AFS.... with no success.- Robs people were great, but still nothing.--I have a backup Vans tach that I had to hook up using the cable and such out of the back o f the motor.- What did you do to get it to work.- Gotta be-specific h ere... Not at the hanger, so I can't-cite pin numbers... hopefully you ca n...-- Sure would be nice to get it to work,- --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Jim wrote: From: Jim <jim(at)combsfive.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFM RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 5:19 PM Have the same configuration Lightspeed on the left and magneto on the right .- I wired the AFS tach to the lightspeed ignition. Jim C =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RobHickman(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 17, 2009
Subject: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
In a message dated 10/16/2009 6:24:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wcurtis(at)nerv10.com writes: AFS provides for RPM input on PINs 16,31 & 32 with the included mag sensor--I wired that. AFS also provide for RPM indication with Electronic Ignition on pin 33 --so I wired that also. This gives me the option of which device, mag or Electronic Ignition to get the RPM indicaton from. William You should only connect 1 RPM input (MAG or Electronic) If you have one mag and one electronic you should use only the MAG input. As long as the mag is still turning you will get displayed RPM even when it is off. You need to disconnect pin 33 or it will not work properly. Rob Hickman Advanced Flight Systems ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Oct 17, 2009
Thank you Rob that was exactly the answer and explanation that I needed. Michael -------- RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268340#268340 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 17, 2009
Subject: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
I was hoping the software would allow me to alternatively select. Since I want this option in the future, I will install an in-line switch to to pin 33 for now. William On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 4:22 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 10/16/2009 6:24:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > wcurtis(at)nerv10.com writes: > > AFS provides for RPM input on PINs 16,31 & 32 with the included mag > sensor--I wired that. AFS also provide for RPM indication with Electronic > Ignition on pin 33 --so I wired that also. This gives me the option of > which device, mag or Electronic Ignition to get the RPM indicaton from. > William > > > You should only connect 1 RPM input (MAG or Electronic) If you have one mag > and one electronic you should use only the MAG input. As long as the mag is > still turning you will get displayed RPM even when it is off. > > You need to disconnect pin 33 or it will not work properly. > > Rob Hickman > Advanced Flight Systems > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RobHickman(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 17, 2009
Subject: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
You do not want or need a switch. If later on you decide to add a 6 Cylinder PMAG you will need to disconnect the RPM sensor and then you will connect the Electronic input to only the PMAG, and yes the PMAG will drive the RPM display even when it is off for your light speed side. We do not want a wire connected to Pin 33 and floating at the switch acting like a big antenna, you will get noise on your RPM display if you do this. In my airplanes I have the following: RV-4 1 Slick Mag 1 PMAG The RPM input is tied from the PMAG to the Electronic RPM input Pin 33 RV-10 1 Slick Mag 1 LightSpeed The RPM input is tied from our RPM sensor in the Mag to RPM input Pin 32 In both cases the RPM display works perfect on RIGHT / LEFT / and BOTH Call me on my cell if you need further assistance. (503) 701-5042 Rob Hickman ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FWF Kit Notes
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Oct 18, 2009
I received my FWF kit this week and I thought I'd share some things worth noting. First, Van's has no engine mounts in stock and apparently can't get them from their vendor. The ones that have been supplied in the kit are made by Vibration Isolation Products out of California. Van's has a note on their website that says they are looking for other sources. In the interim you can cancel them out of your kit (or backorder) and obtain elsewhere or wait for Van's to resolve. I have opted to cancel my backorder and obtain them from Aircraft Spruce. The equivalent part numbers are as follows: Lord: J 3804-20 Barry Controls: 94110-01 Second, I have attached photos of the hoses that I received. These look to be of good quality. All are stainless steel braid and the fuel lines are fire sleeved. Van's says that they are teflon coated, meaning lined. I can not verify this but I have no reason to doubt it. In the picture the hoses are (top to bottom) VA-189 and 138 Fuel lines VA-190 and 135 Oil lines VA-133 and 102 Oil and Fuel Pressure Finally, there is no air/oil separator so you will have to order that if you want one. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268416#268416 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/va_189_819.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fwf_hoses_630.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/isolators_207.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firewall insulation?
From: "ivankris" <ivankris(at)rogers.com>
Date: Oct 18, 2009
I am going to set the glareshield on he fuselage permanently soon but before I do I would like to insulate the inside of the firewall with a good quality insulating material. My question to the list is what is the best material to use and where do I find it? -------- Ivan K. www.ivankristensen.com Builder # 40838 Wiring Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268462#268462 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firewall insulation?
From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
Date: Oct 19, 2009
Do the outside...with koolmat...works great... Rick Sked N246RS Almost 60 hours and counting Going to Santa Monica Thursday ------Original Message------ From: ivankris Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Oct 18, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? I am going to set the glareshield on he fuselage permanently soon but before I do I would like to insulate the inside of the firewall with a good quality insulating material. My question to the list is what is the best material to use and where do I find it? -------- Ivan K. www.ivankristensen.com Builder # 40838 Wiring Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268462#268462 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Firewall insulation?
Date: Oct 19, 2009
I was leaning towards Koolmat, until I saw the results of Dan Horton's test, which can found on VAF at: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47587&highlight=firew all+insulation I'm not sure what I am going to do at the moment. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked(at)embarqmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? Do the outside...with koolmat...works great... Rick Sked N246RS Almost 60 hours and counting Going to Santa Monica Thursday ------Original Message------ From: ivankris Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Oct 18, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? I am going to set the glareshield on he fuselage permanently soon but before I do I would like to insulate the inside of the firewall with a good quality insulating material. My question to the list is what is the best material to use and where do I find it? -------- Ivan K. www.ivankristensen.com Builder # 40838 Wiring Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268462#268462 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
From: "Nick Leonard" <nick(at)nleonard.com>
Date: Oct 19, 2009
Rob, This is a little off subject but, Had it been available when you were building the -10, would you have used the P-mag instead of the Lightspeed? They have committed to having it available by the end of the year for the 6 cylinder. Nick -------- Nick Leonard RV-10 (40015) Finish Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268541#268541 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firewall insulation?
Date: Oct 19, 2009
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Ditto, Bob. Dan's very valuable testing threw a wrench in my plans too. I was wanting koolmat also and now I'm not sure how I was to do it. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Bob Leffler [mailto:rv(at)thelefflers.com] Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:15 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? I was leaning towards Koolmat, until I saw the results of Dan Horton's test, which can found on VAF at: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47587&highlight=f irew all+insulation I'm not sure what I am going to do at the moment. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked(at)embarqmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? Do the outside...with koolmat...works great... Rick Sked N246RS Almost 60 hours and counting Going to Santa Monica Thursday ------Original Message------ From: ivankris Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Oct 18, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? I am going to set the glareshield on he fuselage permanently soon but before I do I would like to insulate the inside of the firewall with a good quality insulating material. My question to the list is what is the best material to use and where do I find it? -------- Ivan K. www.ivankristensen.com Builder # 40838 Wiring Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268462#268462 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
Date: Oct 19, 2009
I can tell you I just pulled both Lighspeed II+ ignitions off of my 8A after 400 hours and a string of problems and replaced them with P-mags. I now have 100 hours on the P-mags and I'm very happy with them. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (500 hrs) RV-10 (pretty work on the fuselage fiberglass - still) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? Rob, This is a little off subject but, Had it been available when you were building the -10, would you have used the P-mag instead of the Lightspeed? They have committed to having it available by the end of the year for the 6 cylinder. Nick -------- Nick Leonard RV-10 (40015) Finish Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268541#268541 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firewall insulation?
From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
Date: Oct 19, 2009
Good nuff for Nascar besides if its so bad it goes through the Koolmat...might be a bad day no matter what...I figure it will buy some time Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:43:47 Subject: RE: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? Ditto, Bob. Dan's very valuable testing threw a wrench in my plans too. I was wanting koolmat also and now I'm not sure how I was to do it. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Bob Leffler [mailto:rv(at)thelefflers.com] Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:15 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? I was leaning towards Koolmat, until I saw the results of Dan Horton's test, which can found on VAF at: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47587&highlight=f irew all+insulation I'm not sure what I am going to do at the moment. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked(at)embarqmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? Do the outside...with koolmat...works great... Rick Sked N246RS Almost 60 hours and counting Going to Santa Monica Thursday ------Original Message------ From: ivankris Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Oct 18, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? I am going to set the glareshield on he fuselage permanently soon but before I do I would like to insulate the inside of the firewall with a good quality insulating material. My question to the list is what is the best material to use and where do I find it? -------- Ivan K. www.ivankristensen.com Builder # 40838 Wiring Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268462#268462 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Firewall insulation?
Date: Oct 19, 2009
Another alternative is a fire bottle. With the fuel selector off and a fire bottle discharge there is a high probability of putting out a fire. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? Ditto, Bob. Dan's very valuable testing threw a wrench in my plans too. I was wanting koolmat also and now I'm not sure how I was to do it. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Bob Leffler [mailto:rv(at)thelefflers.com] Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:15 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? I was leaning towards Koolmat, until I saw the results of Dan Horton's test, which can found on VAF at: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=47587&highlight=f irew all+insulation I'm not sure what I am going to do at the moment. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked(at)embarqmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? Do the outside...with koolmat...works great... Rick Sked N246RS Almost 60 hours and counting Going to Santa Monica Thursday ------Original Message------ From: ivankris Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Oct 18, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: Firewall insulation? I am going to set the glareshield on he fuselage permanently soon but before I do I would like to insulate the inside of the firewall with a good quality insulating material. My question to the list is what is the best material to use and where do I find it? -------- Ivan K. www.ivankristensen.com Builder # 40838 Wiring Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268462#268462 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 19, 2009
Subject: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
From: "Jim" <jim(at)CombsFive.Com>
The P-Mag company has been committed to having this available for the 6 cyl for about 6 years now. I have been to their booth at OshKosh and heard this from them on at least three occasions. Someday? Jim Combs (N312F - Flying) ------------------------------------------- --> RV10-List message posted by: "Nick Leonard" Rob, This is a little off subject but, Had it been available when you were building the -10, would you have used the P-mag instead of the Lightspeed? They have committed to having it available by the end of the year for the 6 cylinder. Nick -------- Nick Leonard RV-10 (40015) Finish Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268541#268541 - The RV10-List Email Forum - Features Navigator to browse Un/Subscription, Chat, FAQ, --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - available via the Web Forums! http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - generous support! Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
Date: Oct 19, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
Having the P-Mag available by the end of the year and having it bullet proof are two different things. There are some real early adopter horror stories with the 4 cylinder P-Mags from years back. I personally would not put one on my plane till there are many success stories. I definitely would not place two on my -10. It's one thing to experiment on your plane it's another thing to perform R&D for someone's business. All that being said I am sure they gained a lot of experience with the 4 cylinder unit and many of the issues are probably the same when up scaling to a 6. I think it's probably cheaper to put two mags on your plane (as I did) and wait till an alternate system is proven and right for you. Then pull off one of your perfectly good mags and sell it at a discount to another builder/pilot that needs a mag. That way you are going form proven system to proven system. Just an idea, Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Oct 19, 2009
Subject: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
Yep, and they still don't have the best reliability. Although I think I remember reading something about an e or p-Mag being offered on one of the Cessna models, probably the Skycatcher. The reliability issue is part of t he reason I went with Lightspeeds, they have a very good track record and h ave been around for more than 20 years. eMag's big news on their site is that they haven't had a firmware fix in a year. Don't get me wrong, I thin k they have a good idea and a good product, but I don't think they have a g ood record of reliability. As always I would recommend anyone thinking abo ut any of the different ignition technologies do their research. Each has their own pros and cons and I think e-Mag will be a good choice, after a fe w years of trouble free performance. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? The P-Mag company has been committed to having this available for the 6 cyl for about 6 years now. I have been to their booth at OshKosh and heard th is from them on at least three occasions. Someday? Jim Combs (N312F - Flying) ------------------------------------------- Rob, This is a little off subject but, Had it been available when you were building the -10, would you have used the P-mag instead of the Lightspeed? They have committed to having it available by the end of the year for the 6 cylinder. Nick -------- Nick Leonard RV-10 (40015) Finish Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268541#268541 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
Date: Oct 19, 2009
I talked to them at Sun n Fun this year. They told me that they are certifying the 6 Cyl. P-Mag and that is causing longer delays. They told me they will still sell an "Experimental" version, but did not want to release it until the certified unit is released. David Maib 40559 Flying On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Jim wrote: The P-Mag company has been committed to having this available for the 6 cyl for about 6 years now. I have been to their booth at OshKosh and heard this from them on at least three occasions. Someday? Jim Combs (N312F - Flying) ------------------------------------------- Rob, This is a little off subject but, Had it been available when you were building the -10, would you have used the P-mag instead of the Lightspeed? They have committed to having it available by the end of the year for the 6 cylinder. Nick -------- Nick Leonard RV-10 (40015) Finish Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268541#268541 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 19, 2009
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Funny you mention work paid to be done in the Philippines. Phil and I have exchanged squawk lists on our QB fuselages. With only a few exceptions they were identical. Looks like I will have to drill out all the mid fuselage longeron rivets (F-1046) to do countersinking that wasn't done, to trim the baggage door seal angle, and drill out some of the F1013 left longeron to trim it to length without damaging the skin. Clearly the QA/QC of the old facility was not transferred to the new Philippine facility. Hopefully Vans hears this loud and clear. More when I get a response from them. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:19 PM, David Maib wrote: I agree with Phil that taking the gear weldments/front > floors out is not worth the grief. You will be undoing work that you paid to > have done at the QB factory. > > David Maib > 40559 > Flying ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Subject: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI?
Date: Oct 19, 2009
It's sad to say but reliability from any ignition vendor has taken hits, some more recent than others. Mag, pmag, lightspeed, or otherwise. With the recent crap from Slick a while back I'd caution anyone feeling overly comfortable with their choice of ignition. I'm planning on two mags myself. Here's hoping that the shit parts are over and done with by the time I need to order mine. Heck at the rate I'm building lately maybe the 6 cly p-mag's will be out and bug free! -Ben _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:47 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? Yep, and they still don't have the best reliability. Although I think I remember reading something about an e or p-Mag being offered on one of the Cessna models, probably the Skycatcher. The reliability issue is part of the reason I went with Lightspeeds, they have a very good track record and have been around for more than 20 years. eMag's big news on their site is that they haven't had a firmware fix in a year. Don't get me wrong, I think they have a good idea and a good product, but I don't think they have a good record of reliability. As always I would recommend anyone thinking about any of the different ignition technologies do their research. Each has their own pros and cons and I think e-Mag will be a good choice, after a few years of trouble free performance. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: AFS RPM Transducer on Magnet or LSI? The P-Mag company has been committed to having this available for the 6 cyl for about 6 years now. I have been to their booth at OshKosh and heard this from them on at least three occasions. Someday? Jim Combs (N312F - Flying) ------------------------------------------- Rob, This is a little off subject but, Had it been available when you were building the -10, would you have used the P-mag instead of the Lightspeed? They have committed to having it available by the end of the year for the 6 cylinder. Nick -------- Nick Leonard RV-10 (40015) Finish Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268541#268541 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Copperstate RV10 nest
Date: Oct 21, 2009
Anyone know what the process is for tent camping? Does one need to register? is it find a space and take it? Be there Friday night from SoCal if there is a gathering spot Friday night, Saturday morning or noon, please advise.. See you there! Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "William Souza" <electspec(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 nest > > John, > A must go too. If anyone has not attended before. A large RV community > grathering. LOE dates are OCT 9th thru 11th, Santa Teresa Airport (5T6), > NW.. > > Copperstate, OCT 22nd thru 24th, Casa Grande Airport (KCGZ), AZ. > > So no conflicts here between the two RV gatherings. > > Will be going to both. > Member SoCal RV Group > Bill Souza > RV-10 > N279RB > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, John Cox wrote: > >> From: John Cox <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 nest >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 9:35 AM >> "John Cox" >> >> John Cox & Greg Guy from Oregon = 2, so let us know how >> we can sweeten >> the pot financially for the fabulous job done last >> year. If LOE is the >> same weekend, sorry guys, there are prettier RV-10s in >> Arizona this time >> of year and too many non RV-10 builders can spoil a great >> get together. >> >> I am surprised no one posted the turnout from the VANS >> annual get >> together from Independence (7S5) back at the first of the >> month. >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] >> On Behalf Of woxofswa >> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 nest >> >> >> The second (and last), annual RV10 nest at Copperstate is a >> go. >> >> Should be set up by Friday morning through Sat night for a >> shady place >> to relax. >> >> Carne Asada mid day Saturday until its gone. Would >> like to get a rough >> head count for planning purposes. >> >> >> >> -------- >> Myron Nelson >> Mesa, AZ >> Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265270#265270 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Forum - >> FAQ, >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Copperstate RV10 nest
Date: Oct 21, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Bring no rain. We are leaving ours at home. Looking forward to Deems hospitality and Myron's generosity. Is it over on Saturday the 24th? John Cox & Greg Guy 503-453-6016 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 nest Anyone know what the process is for tent camping? Does one need to register? is it find a space and take it? Be there Friday night from SoCal if there is a gathering spot Friday night, Saturday morning or noon, please advise.. See you there! Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "William Souza" <electspec(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 nest > > John, > A must go too. If anyone has not attended before. A large RV community > grathering. LOE dates are OCT 9th thru 11th, Santa Teresa Airport (5T6), > NW.. > > Copperstate, OCT 22nd thru 24th, Casa Grande Airport (KCGZ), AZ. > > So no conflicts here between the two RV gatherings. > > Will be going to both. > Member SoCal RV Group > Bill Souza > RV-10 > N279RB > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, John Cox wrote: > >> From: John Cox <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 nest >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 9:35 AM >> "John Cox" >> >> John Cox & Greg Guy from Oregon = 2, so let us know how >> we can sweeten >> the pot financially for the fabulous job done last >> year. If LOE is the >> same weekend, sorry guys, there are prettier RV-10s in >> Arizona this time >> of year and too many non RV-10 builders can spoil a great >> get together. >> >> I am surprised no one posted the turnout from the VANS >> annual get >> together from Independence (7S5) back at the first of the >> month. >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] >> On Behalf Of woxofswa >> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 8:20 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 nest >> >> >> The second (and last), annual RV10 nest at Copperstate is a >> go. >> >> Should be set up by Friday morning through Sat night for a >> shady place >> to relax. >> >> Carne Asada mid day Saturday until its gone. Would >> like to get a rough >> head count for planning purposes. >> >> >> >> -------- >> Myron Nelson >> Mesa, AZ >> Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265270#265270 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Forum - >> FAQ, >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Torqued Up
Date: Oct 22, 2009
Hi Last night, for a change of pace in fibreglass hell, I decided to assemble my wheels. Following the instructions I torqued the bolts that hold the wheel halves together to 90 in/lbs. Looking on the wheel itself, it indicates that 150 in/lbs should be used. As well, I can't find a torque value of the main wheel bolts. Can anyone provide guidance on what torque values to use? Inquiring minds need to know Cheers Les #40643 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 22, 2009
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Torqued Up
If I recall correctly, I downloaded some tech info from the Cleveland (Parker or whatever they go by now) website. It included info about breaking in your brakes as well..... I'll try to find mine... Good Luck -----Original Message----- >From: Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca> >Sent: Oct 22, 2009 12:25 PM >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Torqued Up > >Hi > > > >Last night, for a change of pace in fibreglass hell, I decided to assemble >my wheels. Following the instructions I torqued the bolts that hold the >wheel halves together to 90 in/lbs. Looking on the wheel itself, it >indicates that 150 in/lbs should be used. > > > >As well, I can't find a torque value of the main wheel bolts. > > > >Can anyone provide guidance on what torque values to use? > > > >Inquiring minds need to know > > > >Cheers > > > >Les > >#40643 > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Torqued Up
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: Oct 22, 2009
Les, What size are the bolts? I would think that unless Van's or MATCO/Cleveland specifies differently, that you'd go ahead and use the normal torque for the bolt size: AN5's would be 100-140 inch-pounds, and AN6's would be 160-190 inch pounds according to AC43-13. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268944#268944 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: RV10 nest at Copperstate
Date: Oct 22, 2009
A better location or description is needed. I was there this AM and unable to find; camping check in had no info. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 22, 2009
Subject: Re: Copperstate RV10 nest
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Obviously folks looking today were not going to find anything. Van's display consisted of the RV-12, small tent and Gus F. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:20 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > The second (and last), annual RV10 nest at Copperstate is a go. > > Should be set up by Friday morning through Sat night for a shady place to relax. > > Carne Asada mid day Saturday until its gone. Would like to get a rough head count for planning purposes. > > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265270#265270 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 22, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV10 nest at Copperstate
David. Per Myrons last post he's not planning on being there until Fri. AM, and will only stay through Sat. Deems David McNeill wrote: > A better location or description is needed. I was there this AM and > unable to find; camping check in had no info. > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Copperstate RV10 nest
Date: Oct 22, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Cox and Guy, currently touring the Boneyard in Tucson, will see you for 2. John Cox ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Kelly McMullen Sent: Thu 10/22/2009 4:37 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 nest Obviously folks looking today were not going to find anything. Van's display consisted of the RV-12, small tent and Gus F. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:20 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > The second (and last), annual RV10 nest at Copperstate is a go. > > Should be set up by Friday morning through Sat night for a shady place to relax. > > Carne Asada mid day Saturday until its gone. Would like to get a rough head count for planning purposes. > > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265270#265270 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Copperstate RV10 nest
Date: Oct 22, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
I plan to be there mid-morning Friday departing some time Saturday afternoon. I guess I will be parking in SP area. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 nest Cox and Guy, currently touring the Boneyard in Tucson, will see you for 2. John Cox ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Kelly McMullen Sent: Thu 10/22/2009 4:37 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Copperstate RV10 nest Obviously folks looking today were not going to find anything. Van's display consisted of the RV-12, small tent and Gus F. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:20 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > The second (and last), annual RV10 nest at Copperstate is a go. > > Should be set up by Friday morning through Sat night for a shady place to relax. > > Carne Asada mid day Saturday until its gone. Would like to get a rough head count for planning purposes. > > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=265270#265270 > > >nbsp; - The RV10-List Email Forum href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic - -> http://forums.matronics.com p; - List Contribution bsp; -Matt Dralle, List href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =============== Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 10/22/09 18:44:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Copperstate RV10 nest
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Oct 22, 2009
Did the shopping and loading today. The asada is marinating. Should pull in sometime before noon tomorrow (Friday). Planning like last year to eat the EAA catered meal Friday night and folks are welcome to hang out at the nest all they want. Should have lots of shade, chairs, tables, and drinks. Asada luncheon will start Saturday elevenish and go to twoish or so. Will have to pack up and leave by about 3:00. To stay in compliance with the show sponsors and rules, the meal is not commercial and not offered for a published price. Just a "tailgate" party of friends. Donations are accepted to offset the cost. Last year I broke even which is the goal. See you soon. Myron 602 421 2868 -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=268996#268996 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FAR Part 23 updated
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2009
If anyone is interested, Part 23 was updated October 21, 2009 http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=87da332e9f373740d5221a231211d6b5&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14cfr23_main_02.tpl If you try to cut and past, watch out for word wrap. The above url is all one line. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269106#269106 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Copperstate RV10 nest
Date: Oct 23, 2009
I met Myron at Copperstate this morning. The location of his ground RV , the Wolf Pack , is just south of a covered tie down area (shades) but in the camping area overflow. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Copperstate RV10 nest
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2009
Thanks to all who participated. It was a great show and a lot of fun. Packing up I found a small camera in a brown case. Call me so I can get it to you. Looking forward to the third and last next year. Myron 602 421 2868 -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269281#269281 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2009
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Copperstate RV10 nest
Myron, I think it's my camera..... oh, maybe not, since I couldn't make it this year!!!!!! Hope you- guys had a great time... even without me.- Will try and make it next year.- Talked to Pascal already... he said the best part of the w hole thing was meeting up with the 10 group. Don McDonald.- --- On Sat, 10/24/09, woxofswa wrote: From: woxofswa <woxof(at)aol.com> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate RV10 nest Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 6:12 PM Thanks to all who participated.- It was a great show and a lot of fun. Packing up I found a small camera in a brown case. Call me so I can get it to you. Looking forward to the third and last next year. Myron 602 421 2868 -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269281#269281 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Copperstate RV10 nest
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)AOL.COM>
Date: Oct 24, 2009
We missed you Don. Not one person proudly showed me a photo of their vertical stab. :D -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269290#269290 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2009
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Copperstate RV10 nest
Thanks Myron. Was a great lunch, great to meet more 10 builders. Not to mention you swung a primo location this year. Not to mention there were at least 5 flying 10s at CGZ today, with one or two more that were present earlier. Seems we covered most of the hot topics, even alodine vs scuffing....but somehow Primer never came up. ;-) woxofswa wrote: > > Thanks to all who participated. It was a great show and a lot of fun. > > Packing up I found a small camera in a brown case. > > Call me so I can get it to you. > > Looking forward to the third and last next year. > > Myron > 602 421 2868 > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269281#269281 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 25, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Copperstate RV10 nest
Great Job (Again!) Myron. The Carne Asada was 'to die for'. The 'Nest' turned up 2 'new' -10 builders that live here in the PHX valley. They've been somewhat stealth up til now, but not anymore! Their projects are well advanced. Deems Davis N519PJ www.deemsrv10.com Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Thanks Myron. Was a great lunch, great to meet more 10 builders. Not > to mention you swung a primo location this year. Not to mention there > were at least 5 flying 10s at CGZ today, with one or two more that > were present earlier. Seems we covered most of the hot topics, even > alodine vs scuffing....but somehow Primer never came up. ;-) > > woxofswa wrote: >> >> Thanks to all who participated. It was a great show and a lot of fun. >> >> Packing up I found a small camera in a brown case. >> >> Call me so I can get it to you. >> >> Looking forward to the third and last next year. >> >> Myron >> 602 421 2868 >> >> -------- >> Myron Nelson >> Mesa, AZ >> Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269281#269281 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Tool Kit Needed
From: "s.mcnicol" <s.mcnicol(at)q.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2009
I'm planning on ordering RV-10 slow build very soon and was looking for used tool kit for sale that someone no longer wants or needs. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269357#269357 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tool Kit Needed
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2009
s.mcnicol wrote: > I'm planning on ordering RV-10 slow build very soon and was looking for used tool kit for sale that someone no longer wants or needs. Go to the Vans Air Force web site and look at their classifieds. Not a week goes by that doesn't have somebody selling a tool kit. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269447#269447 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: AP testing
Date: Oct 26, 2009
From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
Testing the TruTrak Pictorial Pilot autopilot on the ground, it was somewhat disturbing to watch (and listen) to the servo whack itself against the stops over and over. Is that a non-issue for real use, where it is unlikely you'd be driving continuously against the stops, whereas on the ground it's trying to turn the airplane and the airplane is not responding 'cause it's parked? Thought I would check with the list first for thoughts . . . TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend Aurora Flight Sciences tdt(at)aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AP testing
From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
Date: Oct 26, 2009
The servo is trying to maneuver the aircraft to the pos ition it is programmed to hold...suggest you hit alt hold and turn the track as close to the heading the AP is set to....I doubt they get that far in flight my s tick hardly moves but an inch with the AP on...it works great Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:53:26 Subject: RV10-List: AP testing This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Where can I get black panel screws (AN526C832R8)?
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2009
Hi, who knows where I can get black panel screws AN526C832R8? Cheers Michael -------- RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269548#269548 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Firewall wiring/cable routing
Date: Oct 26, 2009
For the new builders, here is a firewall layout that worked. I used the quadrant and the Van's cables for mixture and throttle would be more suitably increased in length about an 1-2 inches. Prop cable was easily sufficient length. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Mills" <millstees(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Where can I get black panel screws (AN526C832R8)?
Date: Oct 26, 2009
I got mine at Aircraft Spruce -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wellenzohn Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: RV10-List: Where can I get black panel screws (AN526C832R8)? --> Hi, who knows where I can get black panel screws AN526C832R8? Cheers Michael -------- RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269548#269548 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Where can I get black panel screws (AN526C832R8)?
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2009
millstees(at)ameritech.ne wrote: > I got mine at Aircraft Spruce > > > > -- I can't find black ones? Do you have a order number? -------- RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269557#269557 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron Walker" <n520tx(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Where can I get black panel screws (AN526C832R8)?
Date: Oct 26, 2009
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/brassinstrscrew.php MS24963BB50 should be what you are after. 8-32 threads, 8/16" in length Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:27 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Where can I get black panel screws (AN526C832R8)? > > > > millstees(at)ameritech.ne wrote: >> I got mine at Aircraft Spruce >> >> >> >> -- > > > I can't find black ones? Do you have a order number? > > -------- > RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269557#269557 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Where can I get black panel screws (AN526C832R8)?
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2009
I just bought some recently, they are MS now, not AN. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269595#269595 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firewall wiring/cable routing
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2009
OK, I've gotta ask - is the hole in the glareshield for GPS? Or, the world's biggest defrost? John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269596#269596 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Firewall wiring/cable routing
Date: Oct 26, 2009
I never understood that either as after the windscreen is on there is no ro om to actually get your hands=2C arms or head in there to work on the avion ics. Perhaps a removable windscreen is in development. > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Firewall wiring/cable routing > From: johngoodman(at)earthlink.net > Date: Mon=2C 26 Oct 2009 19:27:58 -0700 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > > OK=2C I've gotta ask - is the hole in the glareshield for GPS? Or=2C the world's biggest defrost? > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage=2C wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & =3B Panel delivery soon. > N711JG reserved > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269596#269596 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Firewall wiring/cable routing
Date: Oct 27, 2009
The glare shield holes (both sides) are for easy access to the backside of the panel. At my age standing on one's head for the time required to disconnected the EFIS connectors is unacceptable. I hold those panels in with cap screws so that the can be removed with an Allen wrench after the windscreen is installed as my panel is not removable (in sections) . _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall wiring/cable routing I never understood that either as after the windscreen is on there is no room to actually get your hands, arms or head in there to work on the avionics. Perhaps a removable windscreen is in development. > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Firewall wiring/cable routing > From: johngoodman(at)earthlink.net > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:27:58 -0700 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > OK, I've gotta ask - is the hole in the glareshield for GPS? Or, the world's biggest defrost? > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. > N711JG reserved > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269596#269596 > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Firewall wiring/cable routing
Date: Oct 27, 2009
Dave, I'm going to keep those baggage compartment tie downs. Remind me how much they were and I'll send a check. Thanks - John On Oct 27, 2009, at 6:51 AM, David McNeill wrote: > The glare shield holes (both sides) are for easy access to the > backside of the panel. At my age standing on one's head for the time > required to disconnected the EFIS connectors is unacceptable. I hold > those panels in with cap screws so that the can be removed with an > Allen wrench after the windscreen is installed as my panel is not > removable (in sections) . > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:07 PM > To: RV 10 group > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall wiring/cable routing > > I never understood that either as after the windscreen is on there > is no room to actually get your hands, arms or head in there to work > on the avionics. Perhaps a removable windscreen is in development. > > > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Firewall wiring/cable routing > > From: johngoodman(at)earthlink.net > > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:27:58 -0700 > > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > > > > > > OK, I've gotta ask - is the hole in the glareshield for GPS? Or, > the world's biggest defrost? > > John > > > > -------- > > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine > & Panel delivery soon. > > N711JG reserved > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269596#269596 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N829GW Maiden flight
From: "aerosport1" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2009
After 2 years and 20 days. On 10-26-09 at 4:30 PM N829GW took it's maiden flight with myself at the controls. I flew for 40 minutes and all went well. I now need to fly off 40 hours before I can start taking trips and passengers. And then My wife's honey dew list kicks into high gear. That RVgrin just keeps giving and giving What a great airplane Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269702#269702 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/air1_107.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/landg_n829gw_671.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/panel2_806.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/rvgrin_528.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_n829gw_162.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2009
Subject: N829GW Maiden flight
Congratulations! Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerosport1 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: N829GW Maiden flight After 2 years and 20 days. On 10-26-09 at 4:30 PM N829GW took it's maiden flight with myself at the controls. I flew for 40 minutes and all went well. I now need to fly off 40 hours before I can start taking trips and passengers. And then My wife's honey dew list kicks into high gear. That RVgrin just keeps giving and giving What a great airplane Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269702#269702 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/air1_107.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/landg_n829gw_671.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/panel2_806.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/rvgrin_528.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_n829gw_162.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Re: N829GW Maiden flight
Date: Oct 27, 2009
Wow!... that is one gorgeous airplane. On Oct 27, 2009, at 1:52 PM, aerosport1 wrote: > > > > After 2 years and 20 days. > > On 10-26-09 at 4:30 PM N829GW took it's maiden flight with myself > at the controls. I flew for 40 minutes and all went well. I now need > to fly off 40 hours before I can start taking trips and passengers. > And then My wife's honey dew list kicks into high gear. > That RVgrin just keeps giving and giving > What a great airplane > > Geoff > > -------- > Geoff Combs > RV-10 QB N829GW > Finishing > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269702#269702 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/air1_107.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/landg_n829gw_671.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/panel2_806.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rvgrin_528.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_n829gw_162.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2009
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Re: N829GW Maiden flight
Geoff: Sweet looking airplane. What's the back round city? Congrats. Dr Fred. N515 FW 180 hrs > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: N829GW Maiden flight
Date: Oct 27, 2009
That is Columbus Ohio Geoff Combs President Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams, M.D. Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: N829GW Maiden flight --> Geoff: Sweet looking airplane. What's the back round city? Congrats. Dr Fred. N515 FW 180 hrs > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: N829GW Maiden flight
I've been waiting for the News , Great Job Geoff! Deems Davis N519PJ www.deemsrv10.com aerosport1 wrote: > > After 2 years and 20 days. > > On 10-26-09 at 4:30 PM N829GW took it's maiden flight with myself at the controls. I flew for 40 minutes and all went well. I now need to fly off 40 hours before I can start taking trips and passengers. And then My wife's honey dew list kicks into high gear. > That RVgrin just keeps giving and giving > What a great airplane > > Geoff > > -------- > Geoff Combs > RV-10 QB N829GW > Finishing > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269702#269702 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/air1_107.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/landg_n829gw_671.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/panel2_806.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rvgrin_528.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_n829gw_162.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2009
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: N829GW Maiden flight
Looks Fantastic! Congratulations. Bill Watson aerosport1 wrote: > > After 2 years and 20 days. > > On 10-26-09 at 4:30 PM N829GW took it's maiden flight with myself at the controls. I flew for 40 minutes and all went well. I now need to fly off 40 hours before I can start taking trips and passengers. And then My wife's honey dew list kicks into high gear. > That RVgrin just keeps giving and giving > What a great airplane > > Geoff > > -------- > Geoff Combs > RV-10 QB N829GW > Finishing > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269702#269702 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/air1_107.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/landg_n829gw_671.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/panel2_806.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rvgrin_528.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_n829gw_162.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N829GW Maiden flight
From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
Date: Oct 27, 2009
Geoff, Great job....how much rudder trim did you use if any...I copied your system Rick S. N246RS 65 hours and climbing ------Original Message------ From: Geoff Combs Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: Rv Sent: Oct 27, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: N829GW Maiden flight That is Columbus Ohio Geoff Combs President Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams, M.D. Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: N829GW Maiden flight --> Geoff: Sweet looking airplane. What's the back round city? Congrats. Dr Fred. N515 FW 180 hrs > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N829GW Maiden flight
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2009
Congrats Geoff! The paint job is awesome! Enjoy your flyoff! Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269751#269751 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: N829GW Maiden flight
Date: Oct 27, 2009
Geoff That is a very nice bit of kit. Congrats Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerosport1 Sent: October-27-09 2:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: N829GW Maiden flight After 2 years and 20 days. On 10-26-09 at 4:30 PM N829GW took it's maiden flight with myself at the controls. I flew for 40 minutes and all went well. I now need to fly off 40 hours before I can start taking trips and passengers. And then My wife's honey dew list kicks into high gear. That RVgrin just keeps giving and giving What a great airplane Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269702#269702 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/air1_107.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/landg_n829gw_671.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/panel2_806.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/rvgrin_528.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_n829gw_162.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2009
Subject: Re: N829GW Maiden flight
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Congratulations. Of course now you need to get those wheel pants and fairings on, mount interior panels and all that other almost finished stuff that you showed us in OSH. Of course if you work it right...those tasks could put off that honey dew list for awhile. ;-) On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:52 PM, aerosport1 wrote: > > After 2 years and 20 days. > > On 10-26-09 at 4:30 PM N829GW took it's maiden flight with myself at the controls. I flew for 40 minutes and all went well. I now need to fly off 40 hours before I can start taking trips and passengers. And then My wife's honey dew list kicks into high gear. > That RVgrin just keeps giving and giving > What a great airplane > > Geoff > > -------- > Geoff Combs > RV-10 QB N829GW > Finishing ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2009
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: N829GW Maiden flight
Great looking plane.... Congrats to the max.- Is the weather going to let you get those hours flown off?-- Another one joins the group.- This is great watching this family grow.- Pretty soon we can hold our own flyi n.- Don McDonald 80+ hours and enjoying every minute --- On Tue, 10/27/09, aerosport1 wrote: From: aerosport1 <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> Subject: RV10-List: N829GW Maiden flight Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 1:52 PM m> After 2 years and 20 days. On 10-26-09- at 4:30 PM N829GW took it's maiden flight with myself at the controls. I flew for 40 minutes and all went well. I now need to fly off 4 0 hours before I can start taking trips and passengers. And then My wife's honey dew list kicks into high gear. That RVgrin just keeps giving and giving What a great airplane Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269702#269702 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/air1_107.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/landg_n829gw_671.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/panel2_806.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/rvgrin_528.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_n829gw_162.jpg le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N829GW Maiden flight
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Oct 27, 2009
Outstanding achievement and a great looking paint job - and panel Can I steal the paint design???? Be very very careful with the test flying. Do not rush it. Pull the cowl every few hours - inspect - double check - be careful. I am now at 16 hrs and had some attention getters like - high airframe vibration - errors on CHT/EGT readings - and a fuel leak. They are all solvable, but caution is paramount. good luck -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B Kit - phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269786#269786 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Sealing Firewall Penetrations
Date: Oct 28, 2009
Hi I am just about ready to rivet in the center recess of the firewall. I am wonder what the best product would be to seal this in as well as perhaps some of the other firewall penetrations. I am planning to use stainless eyeball penetrations from ACS as well as a SAFEAIR1 firesleeve penetration for wiring. From what I have read fuel tank sealant is good to 400c while wind blown avgas burns at 2,000c. What is the current list thinking on this subject? Cheers Les #40643 - Living in f/g hell ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Sealing Firewall Penetrations
Date: Oct 28, 2009
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Here is one for you. http://www.flamemaster.com/TechnicalsPDF/cs1900.pdf From: Les Kearney [mailto:kearney(at)shaw.ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: Sealing Firewall Penetrations Hi I am just about ready to rivet in the center recess of the firewall. I am wonder what the best product would be to seal this in as well as perhaps some of the other firewall penetrations. I am planning to use stainless eyeball penetrations from ACS as well as a SAFEAIR1 firesleeve penetration for wiring. From what I have read fuel tank sealant is good to 400c while wind blown avgas burns at 2,000c. What is the current list thinking on this subject? Cheers Les #40643 - Living in f/g hell ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Barnes" <rickbarnes(at)highlanddental.com>
Subject: N829GW Maiden flight
Date: Oct 28, 2009
Congratulations. A beautiful plane and a great looking panel. It looks like you got one of the 4500's. We're still waiting for ours. How does the 4500 work? Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerosport1 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: N829GW Maiden flight After 2 years and 20 days. On 10-26-09 at 4:30 PM N829GW took it's maiden flight with myself at the controls. I flew for 40 minutes and all went well. I now need to fly off 40 hours before I can start taking trips and passengers. And then My wife's honey dew list kicks into high gear. That RVgrin just keeps giving and giving What a great airplane Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269702#269702 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/air1_107.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/landg_n829gw_671.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/panel2_806.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/rvgrin_528.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_n829gw_162.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N829GW Maiden flight
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Oct 28, 2009
velo wrote: > Congratulations. A beautiful plane and a great looking panel. It looks > like you got one of the 4500's. We're still waiting for ours. How does the > 4500 work? > Rick > -- Rick, ONE [Shocked] Looks like he kyped 2 of the 4500's [Mr. Green] -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269866#269866 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Copperstate RV10 nest
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Oct 28, 2009
There was a tanned silvered haired fellow that came for lunch. I didn't catch his name and I believe he came as a guest of another builder. He came back when we were packing up and got a couple of drinks out of the cooler inside the trailer. I am pretty sure that he is the fellow who left the camera. If he sounds familiar to anyone please help me get this camera back to him. Myron 602 421 2868 -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269881#269881 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N829GW Maiden flight
From: "aerosport1" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2009
Thanks to all for the nice comments. As for the AFS 4500 things are working well. Working with Rob and AFS with new software updates. They have been great. Love them Rick as for the rudder trim it looks pretty neutral so far just a very little bit of right rudder trim but time will tell. I will keep you updated. Geoff More pictures at http://combsfamily.phanfare.com -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269980#269980 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2009
From: LES KEARNEY <Kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Sealing Firewall Penetrations
Hi Phil Thanks for the info. Once I knew what to look for, I found it on the Van's website. Cheers Les ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:17 am Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sealing Firewall Penetrations > Here is one for you. > > > > http://www.flamemaster.com/TechnicalsPDF/cs1900.pdf > > > > > > > > > > From: Les Kearney [mailto:kearney(at)shaw.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:47 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Sealing Firewall Penetrations > > > > Hi > > > > I am just about ready to rivet in the center recess of the > firewall. I > am wonder what the best product would be to seal this in as well as > perhaps some of the other firewall penetrations. I am planning > to use > stainless eyeball penetrations from ACS as well as a SAFEAIR1 > firesleevepenetration for wiring. From what I have read fuel > tank sealant is good > to 400c while wind blown avgas burns at 2,000c. > > > > What is the current list thinking on this subject? > > > > Cheers > > > > Les > > #40643 - Living in f/g hell > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N829GW Maiden flight
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Oct 29, 2009
Geoff, Congratulations! That is a beauty - thanks for the inspiration. :D -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - cabin top/fiberglass hell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269998#269998 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2009
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Strobes
Anybody have a tester for a Whelen power supply? Both of my strobes blew this last month. Fuse intact. No obvious wiring loose or frayed. I have 12 volts power at switch module. I replaced the strobes and they worked for a while, then it appears they have blown again. At $160 bucks for new bulbs, I find it hard to just replace them again without testing the power supply. Any suggestions? Robin: great story. I had a 205 knot ground speed coming back from the Texas Tech game to Forth Worth area Saturday night. 1 hr and a couple minutes. 25 knot direct tailwind. :-) It helped make up for the whipping the boys took from the Aggies. Dr Fred Looking at LED upgrade options. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2009
From: david cook <davercook1501(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Strobes
I don't know if your strobes blew or just quit working, however I had a similar problem with my whelens and the tech said to increase the size of the ground wire. It worked !!! David R. Cook N815DC RV-6 Flying ________________________________ From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com> Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 6:03:56 PM Subject: RV10-List: Strobes Anybody have a tester for a Whelen power supply? Both of my strobes blew this last month. Fuse intact. No obvious wiring loose or frayed. I have 12 volts power at switch module. I replaced the strobes and they worked for a while, then it appears they have blown again. At $160 bucks for new bulbs, I find it hard to just replace them again without testing the power supply. Any suggestions? Robin: great story. I had a 205 knot ground speed coming back from the Texas Tech game to Forth Worth area Saturday night. 1 hr and a couple minutes. 25 knot direct tailwind. :-) It helped make up for the whipping the boys took from the Aggies. Dr Fred Looking at LED upgrade options. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2009
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Very positive GRT HX review in Kitplanes
... and I'm psyched! Having just installed a 3 GRT HX panel in Tigressa, I was very pleased with the write-up in Kitplanes that arrived today. I posted pics and a description of my panel on VAF a couple of days ago here: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=18921&page=13 Can't wait to go out and start flying this thing after the GRT review and drooling over Geoff's very fine ship. Bill "taking a 2nd pass at all the glass" Watson 40605 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vernon Smith <planesmith(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Strobes
Date: Oct 30, 2009
Hi Fred=2C Here is a link to a troubleshooting guide: www.wattco.net/.../STROBETROUBLE SHOOTINGGUIDE1.pdf Hope it helps=2C Vern Smith (#324 finishing?) > Date: Thu=2C 29 Oct 2009 17:03:56 -0500 > From: drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Strobes > nkmail.com> > > Anybody have a tester for a Whelen power supply? Both of my strobes > blew this last month. Fuse intact. No obvious wiring loose or frayed. > I have 12 volts power at switch module. I replaced the strobes and they > worked for a while=2C then it appears they have blown again. At $160 > bucks for new bulbs=2C I find it hard to just replace them again without > testing the power supply. > > Any suggestions? > > Robin: great story. I had a 205 knot ground speed coming back from the > Texas Tech game to Forth Worth area Saturday night. 1 hr and a couple > minutes. 25 knot direct tailwind. :-) It helped make up for the > whipping the boys took from the Aggies. > > > Dr Fred > Looking at LED upgrade options. > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Simplify your PC. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T: WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen1:102009 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2009
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Subject: Re: Sealing Firewall Penetrations
Les... personally, i am glad i have 3M's Firewall Barrier. It sticks much like proseal to me. It's much easier to use - just use a caulk gun. The only negative is that it's silicone based, so I only intend to use it where i never intend to apply paint. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/firewall2000caulk.php Jae 40533 LES KEARNEY wrote: > Hi Phil > > Thanks for the info. Once I knew what to look for, I found it on the > Van's website. > > Cheers > > Les > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com> > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:17 am > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sealing Firewall Penetrations > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > Here is one for you. > > > > > > > > http://www.flamemaster.com/TechnicalsPDF/cs1900.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Les Kearney [mailto:kearney(at)shaw.ca] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:47 AM > > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: RV10-List: Sealing Firewall Penetrations > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I am just about ready to rivet in the center recess of the > > firewall. I > > am wonder what the best product would be to seal this in as well as > > perhaps some of the other firewall penetrations. I am planning > > to use > > stainless eyeball penetrations from ACS as well as a SAFEAIR1 > > firesleevepenetration for wiring. From what I have read fuel > > tank sealant is good > > to 400c while wind blown avgas burns at 2,000c. > > > > > > > > What is the current list thinking on this subject? > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Les > > > > #40643 - Living in f/g hell > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Seat Belt Tip
Date: Oct 30, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
To all of those builders that have yet to purchase their seat belts I have a little info for you. Some of you know I made my own belts by purchasing a few sets of Drifter rotary release 4 point belts on eBay. They are dirt cheap as in under $40.00 a set. I did have to do a little sewing but they worked out exceptionally well. I had always planned to upgrade to a premium belt at some point so I took the plunge and purchase a full set of Rotary Release Hooker's with the air show 10% discount. This had them delivered for ~$1,350.00. Yes expensive but top quality for sure. Unfortunately they arrived in the wrong color so I sent them back. When the replacements arrived I installed them with almost no problems (you have to grind down and insert to the anchor end of each belt). They looked great. They are however stiff, heavy and somewhat uncomfortable. Worst of all the waistband adjustment mechanisms are too close to the attachment point preventing them from opening to the point where I can pull slack. This happens on both sides of the waist band as I have a center console that also conflicts with the adjustment mechanism. The rear seats are another story because I ordered the shoulder and lap bands with pads which I assumed were removable. Unfortunately a fully tight lap band for the rear seat is still larger than my 16-year-old daughter's waste by about 4 inches. There is no way she can be safely strapped in using those belts. It would probably be another story without the lap pads. For me to correct this issue I will have to send the seatbelts back again. The tip I am offering comes in the form of the another brand of seatbelts I happened to see on an RV-8. They looked different but every bit as nice as the Hooker harnesses plus more comfortable for a fraction of the price. The brand is called Crow Enterprises Inc. can be found at this address: http://www.crowenterprizes.com/an online search for pricing has the five way Rotary release selling for $140 to $155. They sell the leaver release and belts for about half that price. This places the Rotary release belts at a 50% discount to the discounted Hooker belts. I have attached a photo from the RV-8 for your review. Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
From: "Bill Cannon" <bc777(at)optonline.net>
Date: Oct 31, 2009
My QB fuse came in the container after Phil's. I have some of the same issues with the longerons and torques but the floor panels seem lined up. A couple of things I have come across in the past few days while inspecting and checking off the steps. 1. The bottom aft skin was drilled and dimpled where the F-1006B bulkhead and tailcone bottom skin are supposed to be match drilled to it. I talked to Vans and was given two options.... flatten out the dimples and match drill as per instructions or trust the pre punches are lined up correctly. I have trusted the pre punch in the past when replacing a skin on an elevator and everything worked out fine by just drilling the holes in the skin to size and dimpling. I am thinking I will just drill the tailcone by itself, dimple it and the put it together with the holes that are already done on the fuselage. 2. The inboard and outboard forward seat rail supports were riveted to the bulkheads(F-1043A L&R) using AN470 rivets instead of 426s. 470 is correct for the bottom 4 rivets but the top two need to be 426s to get the F-1043D to lay flat on the front to the seat bottom assembly. Since they were right at the edge of the front panel I cut notches in the panel to allow the 470s to remain without pushing out the panel. There are already holes or notches where bolt heads protrude so I saw no problem in doing this. It's somewhat of a puzzle getting the panel off without removing the gear bracket but it can be done. 3. The F-1004M wear strip was not installed by QB and no parts provided in kit. Vans is sending the parts 4. The flap actuator brackets (F-1066B L&R) are cut into left and right. Right is installed now and Left is retained for attaching the actuator. Right is riveted to the plane and the left is in the Phillipines. A new part is coming from Vans. 5. I remember reading somewhere that the QB process involved priming. Either the primer they are using is clear or it was not done. The metal is nice and greasy though [Shocked] Just thought I'd add to the list to help anyone else out there trying to get through the QB check. bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270217#270217 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2009
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
Yeah, the "primer" allegedly is clear with no solids content. How this protects the metal is a mystery to me. The metal appears to have been scuffed. Whatever the coating, it must be very thin. There must be a big collection of snap bushings in the Phillipines as none got in the QB nor the parts kit. It is a shame that Van's apparently is depending 100% on builders to do QC. Bill Cannon wrote: > > My QB fuse came in the container after Phil's. I have some of the same issues with the longerons and torques but the floor panels seem lined up. > > A couple of things I have come across in the past few days while inspecting and checking off the steps. > > 1. The bottom aft skin was drilled and dimpled where the F-1006B bulkhead and tailcone bottom skin are supposed to be match drilled to it. I talked to Vans and was given two options.... flatten out the dimples and match drill as per instructions or trust the pre punches are lined up correctly. I have trusted the pre punch in the past when replacing a skin on an elevator and everything worked out fine by just drilling the holes in the skin to size and dimpling. I am thinking I will just drill the tailcone by itself, dimple it and the put it together with the holes that are already done on the fuselage. > > 2. The inboard and outboard forward seat rail supports were riveted to the bulkheads(F-1043A L&R) using AN470 rivets instead of 426s. 470 is correct for the bottom 4 rivets but the top two need to be 426s to get the F-1043D to lay flat on the front to the seat bottom assembly. Since they were right at the edge of the front panel I cut notches in the panel to allow the 470s to remain without pushing out the panel. There are already holes or notches where bolt heads protrude so I saw no problem in doing this. It's somewhat of a puzzle getting the panel off without removing the gear bracket but it can be done. > > 3. The F-1004M wear strip was not installed by QB and no parts provided in kit. Vans is sending the parts > > 4. The flap actuator brackets (F-1066B L&R) are cut into left and right. Right is installed now and Left is retained for attaching the actuator. Right is riveted to the plane and the left is in the Phillipines. A new part is coming from Vans. > > 5. I remember reading somewhere that the QB process involved priming. Either the primer they are using is clear or it was not done. The metal is nice and greasy though [Shocked] > > Just thought I'd add to the list to help anyone else out there trying to get through the QB check. > > bill > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270217#270217 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Seat Belt Tip
Date: Oct 31, 2009
Anyone interested in the premium belts should probably consider the AMSAFE TSOed inertial reel belts designed for the RV10; they are available in almost any color. I took the website off line because I thought interest had waned. John Miller, Rene Velker and myself have AMSAFE belts if you want to discuss. There are a few others but I can not remember their names. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: RV10-List: Seat Belt Tip To all of those builders that have yet to purchase their seat belts I have a little info for you. Some of you know I made my own belts by purchasing a few sets of Drifter rotary release 4 point belts on eBay. They are dirt cheap as in under $40.00 a set. I did have to do a little sewing but they worked out exceptionally well. I had always planned to upgrade to a premium belt at some point so I took the plunge and purchase a full set of Rotary Release Hooker's with the air show 10% discount. This had them delivered for ~$1,350.00. Yes expensive but top quality for sure. Unfortunately they arrived in the wrong color so I sent them back. When the replacements arrived I installed them with almost no problems (you have to grind down and insert to the anchor end of each belt). They looked great. They are however stiff, heavy and somewhat uncomfortable. Worst of all the waistband adjustment mechanisms are too close to the attachment point preventing them from opening to the point where I can pull slack. This happens on both sides of the waist band as I have a center console that also conflicts with the adjustment mechanism. The rear seats are another story because I ordered the shoulder and lap bands with pads which I assumed were removable. Unfortunately a fully tight lap band for the rear seat is still larger than my 16-year-old daughter's waste by about 4 inches. There is no way she can be safely strapped in using those belts. It would probably be another story without the lap pads. For me to correct this issue I will have to send the seatbelts back again. The tip I am offering comes in the form of the another brand of seatbelts I happened to see on an RV-8. They looked different but every bit as nice as the Hooker harnesses plus more comfortable for a fraction of the price. The brand is called Crow Enterprises Inc. can be found at this address: http://www.crowenterprizes.com/an online search for pricing has the five way Rotary release selling for $140 to $155. They sell the leaver release and belts for about half that price. This places the Rotary release belts at a 50% discount to the discounted Hooker belts. I have attached a photo from the RV-8 for your review. Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Gas Strut installation
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Oct 31, 2009
I am working on the gas strut installation for the doors. Ran into a bit of a problem. The gas strut itself is over an inch too long to fit between the attachment points. I have looked at adjusting the attachment points, but am already at the edge of the window on the door and can't move the mount on the canopy any further down to open the gap. The gas struts from Vans aren't adjustable. Does anyone have experience with a similar situation, or have recommentdations for adjustable struts that will work for this application? Thanks. Eric Kallio Fitting the doors...still Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270267#270267 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Gas Strut installation
Eric, is your door fully open? I had to trim some of the top of the door in order to allow for it to fully open without binding on the cabin cover. If your bracket is at the edge of the window and your door is fully open, I'd suspect that you may have received the wrong part from Van's ??? http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2045%20Cabin%20Doors%20and%20Transparancies/slides/DSC03667.html Deems Davis N519PJ www.deemsrv10.com Eric_Kallio wrote: > > I am working on the gas strut installation for the doors. Ran into a bit of a problem. The gas strut itself is over an inch too long to fit between the attachment points. I have looked at adjusting the attachment points, but am already at the edge of the window on the door and can't move the mount on the canopy any further down to open the gap. The gas struts from Vans aren't adjustable. Does anyone have experience with a similar situation, or have recommentdations for adjustable struts that will work for this application? Thanks. > > Eric Kallio > Fitting the doors...still > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270267#270267 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
Date: Oct 31, 2009
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
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Subject: Align your the gear legs!
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Oct 31, 2009
I finally got to a point where I could mount my landing gear legs. I spoke with Scott Schmidt about the alignment issues he has had with his gear. He has a main gear shimmy while decelerating through 30 knots. He has tried changing tire brands and balancing the wheel. He has also told me that his gear leg might be toed out. When I mounted mine yesterday, it was obvious the left gear was toed out and the right gear was toed in (visually). I called Van's and spoke with Ken. He said they had no issues in the past but that doesn't mean they're not wrong. We also wanted more proof than a visual check. which I can't blame him. I called Scott and he came over to see it and brought his giant man brain with him. We pulled some lines off of the gear and axles to check alignment and confirmed they were way off. What I ended up doing was making each side toed in. The right one lined up with the factory hole and came out at 1.33 degrees toed in and 7 degrees camber with no weight on the axle. I also measured to a point on the tail from the axle. On the left I could visually see the factory hole was off. Keep in mind that barely off by less than a 32nd is a huge change on the axle both camber and toe in. It was amazing how far off the factory hole was. I tack welded the top of the gear mount and gear leg together so they wouldn't move while I drilled a new hole. I used a tapered reamer which only made the first gear mount hole oval. I then reamed the new gear mount hole, gear leg and made the new opening on the other end of the mount. It didn't oval the backside gear mount hole since it is undersized to begin with. I used the factory bolt, AN5-24A, which felt great. I can't imagine it will move with the four weld tacks on the top and the other parts being snug. I now have two gear axles that are the same toe in and camber. It also made the measurements within a 1/16th which I made from the axle to a point on the tail. I don't know if the gear legs are drilled wrong at the factory or the gear mount holes are off. -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270286#270286 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2009
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Gas Strut installation
Is it possible your bracket is mounted 180 degs? That would make the strut about an 1" too long? Deems Davis Deems Davis wrote: > > Eric, is your door fully open? I had to trim some of the top of the > door in order to allow for it to fully open without binding on the > cabin cover. If your bracket is at the edge of the window and your > door is fully open, I'd suspect that you may have received the wrong > part from Van's ??? > > http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2045%20Cabin%20Doors%20and%20Transparancies/slides/DSC03667.html > > > Deems Davis > N519PJ > www.deemsrv10.com > > Eric_Kallio wrote: >> >> I am working on the gas strut installation for the doors. Ran into a >> bit of a problem. The gas strut itself is over an inch too long to >> fit between the attachment points. I have looked at adjusting the >> attachment points, but am already at the edge of the window on the >> door and can't move the mount on the canopy any further down to open >> the gap. The gas struts from Vans aren't adjustable. Does anyone have >> experience with a similar situation, or have recommentdations for >> adjustable struts that will work for this application? Thanks. >> >> Eric Kallio >> Fitting the doors...still >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270267#270267 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Align your the gear legs!
From: "Ron B." <cfxoa(at)klis.com>
Date: Oct 31, 2009
I'm by no means an expert. I don't think the tack weld is a good idea. With all the flexing the gear is going to experience , the mount needs to be able to move. I'm thinking of a car frame. It's riveted and bolted together so it can move a little. A friend was rebuilding a frame and welded it together and later had cracks. I know it's bolted together also, but it sounds like the hole is oval and you are relying on the tack welds. Please check this out with someone that knows. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270288#270288 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Align your the gear legs!
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Oct 31, 2009
The tack welds are just there to hold it while I ream the hole. It is still really close to the original holes plus it is just one side of the gear mount hole that was affected. If I get more negative feedback, I will barely oversize the entire hole and get a new bolt and grind the tack welds off. -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270289#270289 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Copperstate RV10 nest
Date: Oct 31, 2009
Myron; Back finally from my visit to Arizona. Wanted to thank you for the effort to put the carne asada together last weekend at Casa Grande. Meeting everyone there, Deems, Robin, John Cox, David and Jim Perry was, by far, the highlight of the Flyin experience for me on Saturday. Greatly appreciated! Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:35 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate RV10 nest > > There was a tanned silvered haired fellow that came for lunch. I didn't > catch his name and I believe he came as a guest of another builder. > > He came back when we were packing up and got a couple of drinks out of the > cooler inside the trailer. I am pretty sure that he is the fellow who > left the camera. If he sounds familiar to anyone please help me get this > camera back to him. > > Myron > 602 421 2868 > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269881#269881 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: baffles for Eci tapered Cylinders
Date: Oct 31, 2009
Any one have experience with using the Van's Baffles with Eci tapered cylinders. I am on the fence on whether to take make my own or get the Van's baffle. I would rather use the Van's baffles and make the Eci modification but my understanding is that it's a lot of work to modify the baffles. Anyone who has done this, please let me know you're experience. Thank you! Pascal ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: baffles for Eci tapered Cylinders
Date: Oct 31, 2009
It's not a lot of work for a new install. I'd buy the Eci inter cylinder baffles for those cylinders though. Tim On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:45 PM, "Pascal" wrote: > Any one have experience with using the Van's Baffles with Eci > tapered cylinders. I am on the fence on whether to take make my own > or get the Van's baffle. I would rather use the Van's baffles and > make the Eci modification but my understanding is that it's a lot of > work to modify the baffles. > Anyone who has done this, please let me know you're experience. > Thank you! > > Pascal > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Gas Strut installation
Date: Oct 31, 2009
I had the same problem. After looking at the prints a few more times I noted the attach bracket needed to be much further inboard than what the door edge allowed. I had trim away enough of the door edge lip to move the bracket to the correct location. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (500 hrs) RV-10 (painting the interior) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gas Strut installation Is it possible your bracket is mounted 180 degs? That would make the strut about an 1" too long? Deems Davis Deems Davis wrote: > > Eric, is your door fully open? I had to trim some of the top of the > door in order to allow for it to fully open without binding on the > cabin cover. If your bracket is at the edge of the window and your > door is fully open, I'd suspect that you may have received the wrong > part from Van's ??? > > http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2045%20Cabin%20Doors%20and%20Transparancies/s lides/DSC03667.html > > > Deems Davis > N519PJ > www.deemsrv10.com > > Eric_Kallio wrote: >> >> I am working on the gas strut installation for the doors. Ran into a >> bit of a problem. The gas strut itself is over an inch too long to >> fit between the attachment points. I have looked at adjusting the >> attachment points, but am already at the edge of the window on the >> door and can't move the mount on the canopy any further down to open >> the gap. The gas struts from Vans aren't adjustable. Does anyone have >> experience with a similar situation, or have recommentdations for >> adjustable struts that will work for this application? Thanks. >> >> Eric Kallio >> Fitting the doors...still >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270267#270267 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November!
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Subject: Re: QB Fuselage Question
From: "Bill Cannon" <bc777(at)optonline.net>
Date: Nov 01, 2009
will do. At this point it would be easier to move to a dry climate than prime it anyway. :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270439#270439 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Starter question
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Date: Nov 01, 2009
Hey Guys, Here's a quick question. We bought a rebuilt Lycoming IO 540 that came with a starter installed. We're getting close to final assembly and I noticed that the throw-out gear that engages the ring gear seems spring loaded to stay engaged. On cars, this is opposite and retracts after starting. Does this somehow work the same way -- once it fires the gear spins back? Or is it something I should look into? I can get the model of the starter later today if that's necessary. I noticed this after testing the switch/relay/starter circuit by bumping the starter switch with the ring gear off. Thanks. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Painting done! On with wiring and avionics. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270463#270463 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2009
Subject: Re: Starter question
From: Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net>
On 11/1/2009 12:29 PM, Lew Gallagher wrote: > We're getting close to final assembly and I noticed that the throw-out gear that engages the ring gear seems spring loaded to stay engaged. Hi Lew, Once the engine starts the starter gear is disengaged from the starter ring. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2009
Subject: Re: Starter question
From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
Assuming this is an older aviation starter, what you are looking at is a starter Bendix. Unlike automotive (and some new aviation) starters, these older starters use a Bendix mechanism that engages when the starter is turned and retracts when starter is disengaged. When maintained properly, starter Bendix work well enough but solenoids work better. If that starer is bad, upgrade to a Skytec NL starter with an in-line solenoid. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Lew Gallagher wrote: > > Hey Guys, > > Here's a quick question. We bought a rebuilt Lycoming IO 540 that came > with a starter installed. We're getting close to final assembly and I > noticed that the throw-out gear that engages the ring gear seems spring > loaded to stay engaged. On cars, this is opposite and retracts after > starting. Does this somehow work the same way -- once it fires the gear > spins back? Or is it something I should look into? I can get the model of > the starter later today if that's necessary. I noticed this after testing > the switch/relay/starter circuit by bumping the starter switch with the ring > gear off. Thanks. > > Later, - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Painting done! > On with wiring and avionics. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270463#270463 > > -- William N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: First successful test of windscreen antenna
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Nov 01, 2009
I just wanted to share my first positive experience with the windscreen antenna taped to the center bar. I tested it by holding the center bar at the right angle and attached my handheld radio to it. I had no problems listening to Zurich tower although being inside a concrete building. I glued the strip to the bar and covered it with black tape (see attached photos) Cheers Michael -------- RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270494#270494 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0614_124.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0612_984.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0611_181.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2009
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
I will have two radios, and I plan on putting the antennas in each side windshield post in the fiberglass top. Not the most ideal place .....no good ground plane right there ..... but it's better than letting them hang outside, or horizontal as in the wingtips. I have a friend with an RV-6 that removed his antenna that was stuck to the center bar. Linn Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > > I just wanted to share my first positive experience with the windscreen antenna taped to the center bar. I tested it by holding the center bar at the right angle and attached my handheld radio to it. I had no problems listening to Zurich tower although being inside a concrete building. > > I glued the strip to the bar and covered it with black tape (see attached photos) > > Cheers > Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270494#270494 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0614_124.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0612_984.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0611_181.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Amsafe seat belts
Date: Nov 01, 2009
IIRC I sent a set of belts to a 10 builder in AU . You might check the builders there; i know that one of the early sets went to Vans for inclusion in a finish kit to AU. Perhaps that builder can respond to you. _____ From: John Dunne [mailto:acs(at)acspropeller.com.au] Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: RE: Amsafe seat belts Thanks David, I don't want to cost you a huge international phone bill so I'll peruse the info you've sent me and contact you if I'm going to proceed down this track. I had similar belts in my 182 and primarily like the freedom the inertia reels give you but also the added safety factor is attractive. Thanks again for the info. Cheers, John ACS Propeller John Dunne Managing Director www.acspropeller.com.au Aviation Component Services (Qld) Pty Ltd. trading as "ACS Propeller" Building 612 Lores Bonney Drive, Archerfield Airport Queensland Australia. PH:61 7 3274 4500 FAX:61 7 3274 4010 "Everything Propeller" _____ From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net] Sent: Monday, 2 November 2009 9:03 AM Subject: RE: Amsafe seat belts Send me a pone number to discuss. I searched my files and found PDFS of the engineering drawings but it will take more research to find it all. we can talk about the process to install. You can get a better feel as to whether you want to do this. _____ From: John Dunne [mailto:acs(at)acspropeller.com.au] Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Amsafe seat belts Hi David, I'd be interested in any literature you might have or details on the inertia reel belts for the RV-10. If you could shoot me some info I'd appreciate it. Best regards, John Builder 40315 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Leading Edge Splice Strip
From: "Eric Ison" <Eric(at)maximmandm.com>
Date: Nov 01, 2009
I went to attach my leading edges to the main spars today. It appears that the aft nutplates on the top and bottom of the fuel tank splice strip have one rivet that sits firmly on the main spar. It has been my experience thus far that if it feels wrong, then I have probably put something together backwards. In this instance, I can't figure out where I went wrong. It seems to me that they should have put a one lob nutplate in that location, but the plans don't seem to call it out. Is it normal to have a rivet ride on the spar and cause the skin to push up slightly? I have searched the archives, but haven't found any direct hits. Anyone remember this section? Thanks in advance. Eric Ison N984ED Reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270524#270524 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Leading Edge Splice Strip
From: "Andy Turner" <aturner(at)clarion.edu>
Date: Nov 01, 2009
Eric, I recently attached my leading edges and had the same problem on one wing. If the rivet is squeezed sufficiently (over squeezed) it won't interfere. I didn't discover the problem, of course, till I had the leading edge riveted to the spar. My solution was to slide a thin piece of steel between the rivet and spar, and then pound the rivet a bit more with the gun in order to get it squashed down enough. Be careful with the spar! -A -------- Andy Turner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270525#270525 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
Date: Nov 01, 2009
Help me with this please - I had one similar - on the windscreen. Had it tested by a bunch of HAM radio guys - they said it was too short causing the SWR to be bad. I had made it longer in hopes of cutting it doen during testing. It seemed to receive OK but couldn't get anyone to hear me..... How long is yours? Have you tried it in flight? What led you to taping it to the center post? Is it insulated from the center post only by the paint? Thanks, Ralph Capen RV6A N822AR @ N06 39hrs Collecting a bunch of -10 parts already...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: First successful test of windscreen antenna > > > I just wanted to share my first positive experience with the windscreen > antenna taped to the center bar. I tested it by holding the center bar at > the right angle and attached my handheld radio to it. I had no problems > listening to Zurich tower although being inside a concrete building. > > I glued the strip to the bar and covered it with black tape (see attached > photos) > > Cheers > Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270494#270494 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0614_124.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0612_984.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0611_181.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Seat Belt Tip
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Nov 01, 2009
Where can I find more info about those Amsafe inertial reel belts? Any pictures, weight, price, etc... Thanks, Lenny > > Anyone interested in the premium belts should probably consider the AMSAFE TSOed inertial reel belts designed for the RV10; they are available in almost any color. I took the website off line because I thought interest had waned. John Miller, Rene Velker and myself have AMSAFE belts if you want to discuss. There are a few others but I can not remember their names. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270536#270536 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Antenna Location
Date: Nov 02, 2009
From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann(at)thalesgroup.com.au>
While on the subject of Antenna location, I have top mounted (aft of the cabin top/fuse join) and belly mounted (under the pilot seat) antennas. I am looking at replacing/moving my top mounted antenna with another belly mounted unit (too much interference when transmitting from the top antenna and the GRT AHRS mounted in the 'standard location' aft and above the battery box). Does anyone have any experience with mounting bent whips in the wing inpsection plates? Pros/Cons? cheers Ron VH-XRM Flying in Oz -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Monday, 2 November 2009 9:18 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: First successful test of windscreen antenna I will have two radios, and I plan on putting the antennas in each side windshield post in the fiberglass top. Not the most ideal place .....no good ground plane right there ..... but it's better than letting them hang outside, or horizontal as in the wingtips. I have a friend with an RV-6 that removed his antenna that was stuck to the center bar. Linn Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > > I just wanted to share my first positive experience with the windscreen antenna taped to the center bar. I tested it by holding the center bar at the right angle and attached my handheld radio to it. I had no problems listening to Zurich tower although being inside a concrete building. > > I glued the strip to the bar and covered it with black tape (see attached photos) > > Cheers > Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270494#270494 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0614_124.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0612_984.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0611_181.jpg > DISCLAIMER:--------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail transmission and any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached to it are private and confidential. They may contain proprietary or copyright material or information that is subject to legal professional privilege. They are for the use of the intended recipient only. Any unauthorised viewing, use, disclosure, copying, alteration, storage or distribution of, or reliance on, this message is strictly prohibited. No part may be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written permission of the owner. If you have received this transmission in error, or are not an authorised recipient, please immediately notify the sender by return email, delete this message and all copies from your e-mail system, and destroy any printed copies. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient should not be deemed a waiver of any privilege or protection. Thales Australia does not warrant or represent that this e-mail or any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached are error or virus free. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Re: Seat Belt Tip
Date: Nov 01, 2009
Here are a couple of pictures of mine. If you would like to know more, e-mail and pull some stuff together during the Saints game tomorrow night... Rene at felker dot com Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lenny Iszak Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Seat Belt Tip Where can I find more info about those Amsafe inertial reel belts? Any pictures, weight, price, etc... Thanks, Lenny > > Anyone interested in the premium belts should probably consider the AMSAFE TSOed inertial reel belts designed for the RV10; they are available in almost any color. I took the website off line because I thought interest had waned. John Miller, Rene Velker and myself have AMSAFE belts if you want to discuss. There are a few others but I can not remember their names. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270536#270536 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2009
From: john dalmas <jdalmas(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
The antenna should be 1/2 wavelength long. So, at 122.7 MHz, and with a speed of light at 3 x 10**8 m/sec, 1/2 of the wavelength is 1.22m or about 48inches. Check out this website for way more info.... http://k9erg.tripod.com/theory.htm John Dalmas RV10 397 working on instrument panel --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Ralph E. Capen wrote: > From: Ralph E. Capen <recapen(at)earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: First successful test of windscreen antenna > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 9:30 PM > "Ralph E. Capen" > > Help me with this please - I had one similar - on the > windscreen. Had it > tested by a bunch of HAM radio guys - they said it was too > short causing the > SWR to be bad. I had made it longer in hopes of > cutting it doen during > testing. It seemed to receive OK but couldn't > get anyone to hear me..... > > How long is yours? > Have you tried it in flight? > What led you to taping it to the center post? > Is it insulated from the center post only by the paint? > > Thanks, > Ralph Capen > RV6A N822AR @ N06 39hrs > Collecting a bunch of -10 parts already...... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:32 PM > Subject: RV10-List: First successful test of windscreen > antenna > > > Wellenzohn" > > > > > > I just wanted to share my first positive experience > with the windscreen > > antenna taped to the center bar. I tested it by > holding the center bar at > > the right angle and attached my handheld radio to it. > I had no problems > > listening to Zurich tower although being inside a > concrete building. > > > > I glued the strip to the bar and covered it with black > tape (see attached > > photos) > > > > Cheers > > Michael > > > > -------- > > RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) > > #511 > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270494#270494 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0614_124.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0612_984.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0611_181.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lists This Month -- > Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) > Raiser. Click on > out more about > Gifts provided > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2009
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
Most aircraft antennas start with 1/4 wavelength, not 1/2. So 24" is more likely to fit the space available. john dalmas wrote: > > The antenna should be 1/2 wavelength long. > > So, at 122.7 MHz, and with a speed of light at 3 x 10**8 m/sec, 1/2 of the wavelength is 1.22m or about 48inches. > > Check out this website for way more info.... > > http://k9erg.tripod.com/theory.htm > > > John Dalmas > RV10 397 > working on instrument panel > > > --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Ralph E. Capen wrote: > >> From: Ralph E. Capen <recapen(at)earthlink.net> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: First successful test of windscreen antenna >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 9:30 PM >> "Ralph E. Capen" >> >> Help me with this please - I had one similar - on the >> windscreen. Had it >> tested by a bunch of HAM radio guys - they said it was too >> short causing the >> SWR to be bad. I had made it longer in hopes of >> cutting it doen during >> testing. It seemed to receive OK but couldn't >> get anyone to hear me..... >> >> How long is yours? >> Have you tried it in flight? >> What led you to taping it to the center post? >> Is it insulated from the center post only by the paint? >> >> Thanks, >> Ralph Capen >> RV6A N822AR @ N06 39hrs >> Collecting a bunch of -10 parts already...... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:32 PM >> Subject: RV10-List: First successful test of windscreen >> antenna >> >> >> Wellenzohn" >>> >>> >>> I just wanted to share my first positive experience >> with the windscreen >>> antenna taped to the center bar. I tested it by >> holding the center bar at >>> the right angle and attached my handheld radio to it. >> I had no problems >>> listening to Zurich tower although being inside a >> concrete building. >>> I glued the strip to the bar and covered it with black >> tape (see attached >>> photos) >>> >>> Cheers >>> Michael >>> >>> -------- >>> RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) >>> #511 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270494#270494 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0614_124.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0612_984.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0611_181.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Lists This Month -- >> Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) >> Raiser. Click on >> out more about >> Gifts provided >> www.aeroelectric.com >> www.buildersbooks.com >> www.homebuilthelp.com >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> Forum - >> FAQ, >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Nov 02, 2009
I was advised by Aerotronics in Billings Mt and at least one other avionics shop to just use a regular external antenna (which I did) for the COM. I was able to buy a used Cessna Commant antenna at OSH two years ago for about $30-$35. It works flawlessly. I did however use the same installation as Michael for the NAV antenna. As I recall it is 24 or 25 inches long. I bought the Van's product which is essentially a piece of copper foil glued to the headliner just behind the windshield. Connect it with a piece of coax cable run thru the steel cabin support strut I tested it's reception yesterday over the Fallon, NV - Hazen VOR. I got good reception on all points of the compass. I was worried about the reception driving away from the VOR when the tail cone blankets the signal, but it worked fine. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B Kit - phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270586#270586 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2009
From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Antenna Location
That is a very bad location for the AHRS. Suggest you consider leaving the antenna asis and move the AHRS back to the bulkhead where the rear seat bel t shoulder cables attach. Build a shelf and sandwich it between the cable a ttach plate and the longeron top. This will move the AHRS back away from th e baggage compartment that will create even larger- AHRS interference dep ending upon the variable content of the baggage. - Bill DeRouchey N939SB, flying --- On Sun, 11/1/09, McGann, Ron wrote: From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann(at)thalesgroup.com.au> Subject: RV10-List: Antenna Location Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 8:19 PM au> While on the subject of Antenna location, I have top mounted (aft of the cabin top/fuse join) and belly mounted (under the pilot seat) antennas. I am looking at replacing/moving my top mounted antenna with another belly mounted unit (too much interference when transmitting from the top antenna and the GRT AHRS mounted in the 'standard location' aft and above the battery box). Does anyone have any experience with mounting bent whips in the wing inpsection plates?- Pros/Cons? cheers Ron VH-XRM Flying in Oz -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Monday, 2 November 2009 9:18 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: First successful test of windscreen antenna I will have two radios, and I plan on putting the antennas in each side windshield post in the fiberglass top.- - Not the most ideal place .....no good ground plane right there ..... but it's better than letting them hang outside, or horizontal as in the wingtips.- I have a friend with an RV-6 that removed his antenna that was stuck to the center bar. Linn Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > > I just wanted to share my first positive experience with the windscreen antenna taped to the center bar. I tested it by holding the center bar at the right angle and attached my handheld radio to it. I had no problems listening to Zurich tower although being inside a concrete building. > > I glued the strip to the bar and covered it with black tape (see attached photos) > > Cheers > Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270494#270494 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0614_124.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0612_984.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0611_181.jpg > DISCLAIMER:---------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- This e-mail transmission and any documents, files and previous e-mail messa ges attached to it are private and confidential. They may contain proprietary o r copyright material or information that is subject to legal professional privilege. Th ey are for the use of the intended recipient only.- Any unauthorised viewing, use, d isclosure, copying, alteration, storage or distribution of, or reliance on, this messa ge is strictly prohibited. No part may be reproduced, adapted or transmitted with out the written permission of the owner. If you have received this transmission in error, or are not an authorised recipient, please immediately notify the sender by re turn email, delete this message and all copies from your e-mail system, and destroy any printed copies. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient should not be d eemed a waiver of any privilege or protection. Thales Australia does not warrant or represent that this e-mail or any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attac hed are error or virus free. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Bibb" <rbibb(at)tomet.net>
Subject: Antenna Location
Date: Nov 02, 2009
I'm starting on my fuselage and want to get a head start on antenna locations by making doubler plates, etc for future mounting as it will be easier to drill/rivet them to the skin before they are final riveted in place. Along those lines I am thinking about the following and am looking for recommendations: Comm antennas - going with two. Will mount bent whip on bottom of fuselage and/or top. Straight whip on top if I go that route. If I mount both on the bottom how far apart should they be to avoid/minimize interference? If I mount one on the top I'm thinking aft of fiberglass to avoid need for glassing ground place into the top. Thoughts? Comments? I like the idea of fabricating AHRS shelf in tailcone near bulkhead that seat belt anchors attach. Plusses/minuses of this location? Transponder - bottom of fuselage most likely opposite of center opposing location of comm. antenna. Again what is recommendation for location to avoid interference pattern from gear legs, etc. Localizer/VOR antenna - again dual - thinking internal wingtip in both wings. GPS - inside cabin top as I saw done somewhere on here. How far from Comm antenna if I have one of those on the top of the airplane. XM Weather? Not sure - maybe combo GPS/SM unit mounted as above. ADF - not going to bother. Marker Beacom - ditto. DME - nope. Maybe redundant GPS under cowl in front. ELT - not sure. Smallest antenna I can find mounted coming out empennage fairing? What sort of antenna does the 406Mhz ELTs take anyway - I need to look that up. Thinking is I will figure out mounting and buy antennas as I construct airframe with actual avionics decisions coming later once I get closer. But in general dual nav/com setup with Dual EFIS screens with some sort of redundant third screen slaved off either or. Brands to be determined but at least one Garmin 430 seems like one safe choice. Comments welcome. Richard Bibb 972-771-2598 972-835-5979 mobile ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Nov 02, 2009
Use a half wavelength if you cut the wire in the middle, and feed each side with the coax (center to one side, braid to the other). Use a quarter wave length if you mount the feed end over a "ground plane" (a large conducting surface - maybe the glare shield is large enough). Attache the center conductor to the wire, the braid to the ground plane. Either of these gives a reasonable match to 50 ohm coax. But nearby metal may change the match by quite a bit, so don't be surprised if taping to the cabin support bar doesn't match all that great. Or maybe it will, all depends on the details. The fact that the cabin support bar is not perpendicular to the glare shield will change things, too. Modern receivers are very sensitive and will work with lousy antennas. The real test is if the tower can hear you when you transmit (especially with a low powered hand held). I can receive quite well on my handheld inside the cabin of a 182 with just the little rubber duckie antenna; but only transmit about 3 miles with this arrangement. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270621#270621 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Antenna Location
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Nov 02, 2009
406MHz ELT's use the standard sized 121.5 MHz antennas, because the FAA still requires our ELT to transmit on 121.5 (even if it also does 406). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270622#270622 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: Re: Seat Belt Tip
Date: Nov 02, 2009
Rene What is your source for the seat belts. And does the Back inertia reels attach to the cabin top like the front ones do? I had inertia reel belts in my cardinal and I loved them. John G. Cumins -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:39 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Seat Belt Tip Here are a couple of pictures of mine. If you would like to know more, e-mail and pull some stuff together during the Saints game tomorrow night... Rene at felker dot com Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lenny Iszak Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Seat Belt Tip --> Where can I find more info about those Amsafe inertial reel belts? Any pictures, weight, price, etc... Thanks, Lenny > > Anyone interested in the premium belts should probably consider the AMSAFE TSOed inertial reel belts designed for the RV10; they are available in almost any color. I took the website off line because I thought interest had waned. John Miller, Rene Velker and myself have AMSAFE belts if you want to discuss. There are a few others but I can not remember their names. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270536#270536 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Seat Belt Tip
Date: Nov 02, 2009
www.inertialbelts.com should be restored on line in a couple of days. It has all the info about lid mods and procedures as well as colors. I will have to check whether there are 2009 prices there. These are TSOed as required for the AMSAFE certified manufacturer status. AMSAFE would not design or sell these until several mods were made to strengthen the hardpoints in the lid. AMSAFE used my aircraft to design the belts for the RV10. There are two lengths for the front seat as some builders wanted more girth available in front. The standard lengths work fine in the rear because the rear attach points are located near the hips; the front seats are adjustable and the attach points are well to the rear of the hips except for tall people. Except that these are four point harnesses, they look and feel just like the back of the Boeing. There are two engineering drawings available; one for the standard clasp and one for the rotary clasp. Extra loops can also be supplied to prevent little people from coming though the shoulder harness in a crash. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Seat Belt Tip Rene What is your source for the seat belts. And does the Back inertia reels attach to the cabin top like the front ones do? I had inertia reel belts in my cardinal and I loved them. John G. Cumins -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 10:39 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Seat Belt Tip Here are a couple of pictures of mine. If you would like to know more, e-mail and pull some stuff together during the Saints game tomorrow night... Rene at felker dot com Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lenny Iszak Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Seat Belt Tip --> Where can I find more info about those Amsafe inertial reel belts? Any pictures, weight, price, etc... Thanks, Lenny > > Anyone interested in the premium belts should probably consider the AMSAFE TSOed inertial reel belts designed for the RV10; they are available in almost any color. I took the website off line because I thought interest had waned. John Miller, Rene Velker and myself have AMSAFE belts if you want to discuss. There are a few others but I can not remember their names. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270536#270536 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Nov 02, 2009
My antenna strip is about 23 inches long but plus the cable its more like 24 reception is good but I didn't try to transmit yet. The center bar is powder coated in flat black on top of the original gray. Mike -------- RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270632#270632 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Antenna Location
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann(at)thalesgroup.com.au>
I think there may be some misconceptions about interference caused to the Magnetometer vs the AHRS. I had both my magnetometer and AHRS mounted on a tray in the same location as most other builders ie connected to rails that span the fuse longerons at the bulkhead just forward of the cable attach points. This is well clear of the battery and main relay which typically cause interference to the magnetometer. Contents of the baggage compratment (eg tools or other iron content) will affect the magnetometer but not the AHRS. But my GRTs indicated an intermittent 'lean' during flight, and since my Comm2 antenna was within 2 feet of the AHRS and magnetometer, any tx on Comm2 caused the attitude indication to go nuts. At the time I was contemplating a solution, GRT advised NOT to mount the AHRS and Magnetometer close together. So I moved the magnetometer to the left wingtip. I seem to have cured the dose of the 'leans'. But tx on Comm2 causes the AHRS to reboot - a much worse situation than before. I believe this is because the AHRS is within 2ft of the Comm2 antenna. Pushing the AHRS further aft is an option, as is moving the antennas. I was just looking for experiences with mounting the antennas on the wing inspection plates so I could weigh the options. cheers Ron VH-XRM flying in Oz -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2009 2:51 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antenna Location That is a very bad location for the AHRS. Suggest you consider leaving the antenna asis and move the AHRS back to the bulkhead where the rear seat belt shoulder cables attach. Build a shelf and sandwich it between the cable attach plate and the longeron top. This will move the AHRS back away from the baggage compartment that will create even larger AHRS interference depending upon the variable content of the baggage. Bill DeRouchey N939SB, flying --- On Sun, 11/1/09, McGann, Ron wrote: From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann(at)thalesgroup.com.au> Subject: RV10-List: Antenna Location Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 8:19 PM --> While on the subject of Antenna location, I have top mounted (aft of the cabin top/fuse join) and belly mounted (under the pilot seat) antennas. I am looking at replacing/moving my top mounted antenna with another belly mounted unit (too much interference when transmitting from the top antenna and the GRT AHRS mounted in the 'standard location' aft and above the battery box). Does anyone have any experience with mounting bent whips in the wing inpsection plates? Pros/Cons? cheers Ron VH-XRM Flying in Oz -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Monday, 2 November 2009 9:18 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: First successful test of windscreen antenna I will have two radios, and I plan on putting the antennas in each side windshield post in the fiberglass top. Not the most ideal place .....no good ground plane right there ..... but it's better than letting them hang outside, or horizontal as in the wingtips. I have a friend with an RV-6 that removed his antenna that was stuck to the center bar. Linn Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > > I just wanted to share my first positive experience with the windscreen antenna taped to the center bar. I tested it by holding the center bar at the right angle and attached my handheld radio to it. I had no problems listening to Zurich tower although being inside a concrete building. > > I glued the strip to the bar and covered it with black tape (see attached photos) > > Cheers > Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270494#270494 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0614_124.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0612_984.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0611_181.jpg > DISCLAIMER:--------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail transmission and any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached to it are private and confidential. They may contain proprietary or copyright material or information that is subject to legal professional privilege. They are for the use of the intended recipient only. 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Subject: Re: Starter question
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Date: Nov 02, 2009
Thanks for the responses DJ and William. After further research, this is a Kelly Aerospace MZ 4222 starter and the drive gear disengages once the engine reaches 400 rpm. It lists for $1272 new ... wow. Rebuilt $365 w/ $200 core charge. Probably much heavier than the Skytec starters, but we'll see how it works. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Painting done! On with wiring and avionics. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270648#270648 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Starter question
Date: Nov 02, 2009
You probably ought to plan now to get the correct Skytec as they are less than half the weight and (IIRC) have no Bendix which requires lubrication and cleaning. If your current starter is new you may be able to trade to get the Skytec. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Starter question Thanks for the responses DJ and William. After further research, this is a Kelly Aerospace MZ 4222 starter and the drive gear disengages once the engine reaches 400 rpm. It lists for $1272 new ... wow. Rebuilt $365 w/ $200 core charge. Probably much heavier than the Skytec starters, but we'll see how it works. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Painting done! On with wiring and avionics. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270648#270648 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
From: "Phil White" <philwhite9(at)AOL.COM>
Date: Nov 02, 2009
Because the center post is attached to the airframe, it is grounded. Having your antenna tightly attached to a grounded piece will probably de-tune it significantly, or at the least cause an odd radiation pattern on transmit. I expect you will not find this antenna to work at all well. It is recommended that you install the foil strip type on the inside of the fiberglass roof, where it is away from the metal of the airframe. Comm antennas need to be vertically polarized, so the best location is on the door post immediately behind the door. I have such a foil antenna for my handheld installed there, and it works well. (But for the main Comm, I rely on an external Comant on the belly, cause I know it will work well.) Phil in IL, finishing at rotary engine install Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270659#270659 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Antenna Location
From: "David Shelton" <SBaircraft(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 02, 2009
We relocated my bent whip antennas to make room for my belly pod. The avionics shop installed doublers and mounted them immediately behind the wing plates. The particular doubler design was not easy to fabricate but it ties into the structure and makes a very strong mount. They seem to work very well at that location and I haven't had any trouble with my radios. If you E-mail me (MotoPOD(at)gmail.com), I can try to scrounge some more detailed photos for you. -David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270673#270673 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_3645_418.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: November List Fund Raiser
A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-) I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites. If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages, when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum. The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.] ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill(at)cox.net>
Subject: Door strut attach fitting
Date: Nov 03, 2009
I had completed my installation of the door strut attach fittings to the cabin top. This included welding ears on both sides of the fittings to increase the contact area to the cabin top, and providing two more bolts per fitting. I feel that the amount of force (over 200 lbs) that these struts produce requires more support than the three bolts thru fibre-glass that the stock fitting provides, if this fitting isn't going to become "loose and sloppy" down the road. I had also built up pads under the fittings with epoxy/ cabosil to provide as much contact area as possible with the top. The plans say to position the fittings fore and aft, centered between the hinge bolts and adjust the inboard/outboard position to a "best fit". Unfortunately the step to check the length of the strut isn't done until later. Well my "best fit" position turns out to be too far outboard and the struts would bottom out before the door is fully closed.(thanks to the poster that prompted me to check). The plans are clearly incomplete in this procedure, as the "best fit" should be clarified to a "do not exceed" dimension for the outboard reference. I was prompted to check mine, and found the problem before I had permanently mounted the top. The change then would have been much more difficult working upside down, than while the top was on the workbench. Ain't this site great! Chris Hukill ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
I'm glad someone finally said something. Every time I typed a response, I sounded like a jack ass so I just deleted my message. But I'll just come right out and say it. That's a lousy lousy choice for an antenna location. Listening and transmitting are two separate things. To prove my point, try attaching a coat hanger as an antenna and see how well it will work to listen on - you'll be surprised at how well it works. Shoot, even aluminum foil works for rabbit ears to receive television stations. I've designed and built several antennas over the years and can speak from many years of experience and personal mistakes. So of those were pretty creative like loading up a metal rain gutter as an antenna, a flagpole, even an entire building. There's absolutely no chance of that antenna ever tuning because of the antennas position relative to the metal bar. But that did give me an idea that'll probably still not work - but it's might be worth a shot. That is to swap the steel bar out with a composite one. That might get it, but you're still going to have some significant metal that could interfere. Another concern is with all that RF literally right on top of your panel. EFIS, GPS, Engine Sensors (electronic) are all running right there. Not to mention the RF will light up everything "inside" the cockpit too. I've experienced my share of RF burns from touching metal nearby a transmitting antenna - they're painful. I apologize for sounding really negative, but I've been down this path before. There are many better places to put an antenna but none any worse. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Phil White [mailto:philwhite9(at)aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna Because the center post is attached to the airframe, it is grounded. Having your antenna tightly attached to a grounded piece will probably de-tune it significantly, or at the least cause an odd radiation pattern on transmit. I expect you will not find this antenna to work at all well. It is recommended that you install the foil strip type on the inside of the fiberglass roof, where it is away from the metal of the airframe. Comm antennas need to be vertically polarized, so the best location is on the door post immediately behind the door. I have such a foil antenna for my handheld installed there, and it works well. (But for the main Comm, I rely on an external Comant on the belly, cause I know it will work well.) Phil in IL, finishing at rotary engine install Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270659#270659 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: AMSAFE seat belts
Date: Nov 03, 2009
www.inertialbelts.com is on line again. The belts are shown in my Glastar as the belts were not installed in my 10 at that time. Rene has good pictures of the final finish. I will enclose one of his here. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Phil, don't feel like that. Few of us builders have considered timely issues on RF signal propagation and effective communication/navigation for future flight, when building the RV-10 early in the process. The correct time to identify components, select the correctly effective antenna and place it on the airframe in the right location is early in the planning. Far earlier than most have admitted. A wise builder does not need to spend the money on the avionics but should have a solid idea of manufacturer, model and placement of antennas. Horizontal/Vertical polarity, proper ground plane installation, doubler plates to accept the load and a solid transmitting radiation pattern just might be beyond the casual builder. Before those who like to criticize pipe in, I will offer a solution. Talk to Stein. Visit your favorite avionics shop that will repair your components and plan for the build rather than learning late in the completion. Most of the time the components are selected far too late, mounted structurally unwisely and fail to radiate a safe and effective signal when needed most. Skin mapping is a foreign word to most RV-10 builders. Few understand the bio-physics of being a rear seat navigator in a Navy EA-6B. Antennae arrays, mega wattage and lots of RF can fry valued private parts. Anyone remember the cellphone scare of brain tumors years ago from having the working end of the antenna so close to gray matter? Any ham should have access to an SWR meter and the correct pigtail to test your transmitted Wave. Some will even be able to plot the effectiveness during broadcast. Others might get the antenna tuned at one end of the spectrum and loose the opposite. Tuning can be an art form. Aviation is about tradeoffs. Others will opt for a Garmin 530 which doubles the watts being shoved out the tuned end of the final installation. When the pipe is the wrong length, when the ground plane is ineffective, when the RF signal is masked externally by other materials such as Plexiglas, fiberglass, carbon or aluminum the output circuitry on the transmitter can take an expensive dump at the worst time. Chasing kinked coax or improper crimped connections can be even more challenging. Get on board early in the build - learn from others. And thanks for your perspective. Don't forget to support Matt during the month of November! John W7COX -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna I'm glad someone finally said something. Every time I typed a response, I sounded like a jack ass so I just deleted my message I apologize for sounding really negative, but I've been down this path before. There are many better places to put an antenna but none any worse. Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270659#270659 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Door strut attach fitting
If you had used the 'jig' as called out in the plans. there shouldn't have been a problem .... it wasn't for me. I did, however, have to re-drill one of the strut attach points on the door to get both doors to open to the same point .... looking symmetrical from the front. Linn Chris Hukill wrote: > I had completed my installation of the door strut attach fittings to the > cabin top. This included welding ears on both sides of the fittings to > increase the contact area to the cabin top, and providing two more bolts > per fitting. I feel that the amount of force (over 200 lbs) that these > struts produce requires more support than the three bolts thru > fibre-glass that the stock fitting provides, if this fitting isn't going > to become "loose and sloppy" down the road. I had also built up pads > under the fittings with epoxy/ cabosil to provide as much contact area > as possible with the top. The plans say to position the fittings fore > and aft, centered between the hinge bolts and adjust the > inboard/outboard position to a "best fit". Unfortunately the step to > check the length of the strut isn't done until later. Well my "best fit" > position turns out to be too far outboard and the struts would bottom > out before the door is fully closed.(thanks to the poster that prompted > me to check). The plans are clearly incomplete in this procedure, as the > "best fit" should be clarified to a "do not exceed" dimension for the > outboard reference. I was prompted to check mine, and found the problem > before I had permanently mounted the top. The change then would have > been much more difficult working upside down, than while the top was on > the workbench. Ain't this site great! > Chris Hukill > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door strut attach fitting
From: "bwestfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Date: Nov 03, 2009
I used the jig and still had a problem in that I wasn't paying much attention to the placement of the strut attach bracket on the canopy. I had them sitting to high above the edge of the canopy thus the door contacted the bracket before closing. The plans are pretty vague in this section. I just sorta moved the bracket around till it "looked best" against the canopy top but in reality you want to place it so that the bracket does not extend very far above/outside the canopy edge. Unfortunately you don't really notice this till after drilling and testing by closing the door. Fortunately I was able to drill new holes in the brackets below the original and cut/smooth a new radius. I sent this to the list w/pictures a while back maybe 6mo to a year ago. It might be in the archives. -Ben Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270820#270820 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
I think you agreed with me, John. :) I agree with everything you said. Find someone who's been down the path before and get their advice. It'll save countless weeks of chasing gremlins and you'll end up with a more efficient and trouble free antenna system. Phil -----Original Message----- From: John Cox [mailto:johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna Phil, don't feel like that. Few of us builders have considered timely issues on RF signal propagation and effective communication/navigation for future flight, when building the RV-10 early in the process. The correct time to identify components, select the correctly effective antenna and place it on the airframe in the right location is early in the planning. Far earlier than most have admitted. A wise builder does not need to spend the money on the avionics but should have a solid idea of manufacturer, model and placement of antennas. Horizontal/Vertical polarity, proper ground plane installation, doubler plates to accept the load and a solid transmitting radiation pattern just might be beyond the casual builder. Before those who like to criticize pipe in, I will offer a solution. Talk to Stein. Visit your favorite avionics shop that will repair your components and plan for the build rather than learning late in the completion. Most of the time the components are selected far too late, mounted structurally unwisely and fail to radiate a safe and effective signal when needed most. Skin mapping is a foreign word to most RV-10 builders. Few understand the bio-physics of being a rear seat navigator in a Navy EA-6B. Antennae arrays, mega wattage and lots of RF can fry valued private parts. Anyone remember the cellphone scare of brain tumors years ago from having the working end of the antenna so close to gray matter? Any ham should have access to an SWR meter and the correct pigtail to test your transmitted Wave. Some will even be able to plot the effectiveness during broadcast. Others might get the antenna tuned at one end of the spectrum and loose the opposite. Tuning can be an art form. Aviation is about tradeoffs. Others will opt for a Garmin 530 which doubles the watts being shoved out the tuned end of the final installation. When the pipe is the wrong length, when the ground plane is ineffective, when the RF signal is masked externally by other materials such as Plexiglas, fiberglass, carbon or aluminum the output circuitry on the transmitter can take an expensive dump at the worst time. Chasing kinked coax or improper crimped connections can be even more challenging. Get on board early in the build - learn from others. And thanks for your perspective. Don't forget to support Matt during the month of November! John W7COX -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna I'm glad someone finally said something. Every time I typed a response, I sounded like a jack ass so I just deleted my message I apologize for sounding really negative, but I've been down this path before. There are many better places to put an antenna but none any worse. Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270659#270659 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
Date: Nov 03, 2009
Phil; Somehow I missed the reason for your apology. You used your experience to relay to people that the idea is not a good one, there are many on this forum who have no clue if it will work until it's tested, specifically me.. that is why I hold the feedback from all those builders who relay what has worked for them. You have opened the dialog to have others give their perspective, you have basically serve the group well in doing so.. so no idea why the apology. If you're apologizing for stating a fact based on experience, which it sounds you're doing, keep it coming, not apologizing, but giving your feedback so we don't follow in something that wont work.. Thanks! Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna > > I'm glad someone finally said something. Every time I typed a response, > I sounded like a jack ass so I just deleted my message. But I'll just > come right out and say it. That's a lousy lousy choice for an antenna > location. Listening and transmitting are two separate things. To prove > my point, try attaching a coat hanger as an antenna and see how well it > will work to listen on - you'll be surprised at how well it works. > Shoot, even aluminum foil works for rabbit ears to receive television > stations. > > I've designed and built several antennas over the years and can speak > from many years of experience and personal mistakes. So of those were > pretty creative like loading up a metal rain gutter as an antenna, a > flagpole, even an entire building. > > There's absolutely no chance of that antenna ever tuning because of the > antennas position relative to the metal bar. But that did give me an > idea that'll probably still not work - but it's might be worth a shot. > That is to swap the steel bar out with a composite one. That might get > it, but you're still going to have some significant metal that could > interfere. > > Another concern is with all that RF literally right on top of your > panel. EFIS, GPS, Engine Sensors (electronic) are all running right > there. Not to mention the RF will light up everything "inside" the > cockpit too. I've experienced my share of RF burns from touching metal > nearby a transmitting antenna - they're painful. > > I apologize for sounding really negative, but I've been down this path > before. There are many better places to put an antenna but none any > worse. > > Phil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil White [mailto:philwhite9(at)aol.com] > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:44 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna > > > Because the center post is attached to the airframe, it is grounded. > Having your antenna tightly attached to a grounded piece will probably > de-tune it significantly, or at the least cause an odd radiation pattern > on transmit. > I expect you will not find this antenna to work at all well. > > It is recommended that you install the foil strip type on the inside > of the fiberglass roof, where it is away from the metal of the airframe. > Comm antennas need to be vertically polarized, so the best location is > on the door post immediately behind the door. I have such a foil > antenna for my handheld installed there, and it works well. (But for > the main Comm, I rely on an external Comant on the belly, cause I know > it will work well.) > Phil in IL, finishing at rotary engine install > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270659#270659 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Hi Pascal, I never sent my original e-mail because I couldn't figure out how to communicate the issue without sounding really really rude or offensive and that's not my goal. So those messages got typed and then I deleted them. But Phil White cracked the door enough for me to open up for a few seconds. As John Cox mentioned, go find a ham who has been around for awhile and ask them to visit your project for a few hours. If they're the old-school type who built their own antennas and transceivers (AKA: home-brew type), they'll jump right on the project and be able to provide very valuable experience, tools, and measuring equipment. I've heard that antennas operate on FM. That's not really true, there's a science to it. I'll let you figure out what FM is. :) Phil -----Original Message----- From: Pascal [mailto:rv10builder(at)verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna Phil; Somehow I missed the reason for your apology. You used your experience to relay to people that the idea is not a good one, there are many on this forum who have no clue if it will work until it's tested, specifically me.. that is why I hold the feedback from all those builders who relay what has worked for them. You have opened the dialog to have others give their perspective, you have basically serve the group well in doing so.. so no idea why the apology. If you're apologizing for stating a fact based on experience, which it sounds you're doing, keep it coming, not apologizing, but giving your feedback so we don't follow in something that wont work.. Thanks! Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna > > I'm glad someone finally said something. Every time I typed a response, > I sounded like a jack ass so I just deleted my message. But I'll just > come right out and say it. That's a lousy lousy choice for an antenna > location. Listening and transmitting are two separate things. To prove > my point, try attaching a coat hanger as an antenna and see how well it > will work to listen on - you'll be surprised at how well it works. > Shoot, even aluminum foil works for rabbit ears to receive television > stations. > > I've designed and built several antennas over the years and can speak > from many years of experience and personal mistakes. So of those were > pretty creative like loading up a metal rain gutter as an antenna, a > flagpole, even an entire building. > > There's absolutely no chance of that antenna ever tuning because of the > antennas position relative to the metal bar. But that did give me an > idea that'll probably still not work - but it's might be worth a shot. > That is to swap the steel bar out with a composite one. That might get > it, but you're still going to have some significant metal that could > interfere. > > Another concern is with all that RF literally right on top of your > panel. EFIS, GPS, Engine Sensors (electronic) are all running right > there. Not to mention the RF will light up everything "inside" the > cockpit too. I've experienced my share of RF burns from touching metal > nearby a transmitting antenna - they're painful. > > I apologize for sounding really negative, but I've been down this path > before. There are many better places to put an antenna but none any > worse. > > Phil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil White [mailto:philwhite9(at)aol.com] > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:44 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna > > > Because the center post is attached to the airframe, it is grounded. > Having your antenna tightly attached to a grounded piece will probably > de-tune it significantly, or at the least cause an odd radiation pattern > on transmit. > I expect you will not find this antenna to work at all well. > > It is recommended that you install the foil strip type on the inside > of the fiberglass roof, where it is away from the metal of the airframe. > Comm antennas need to be vertically polarized, so the best location is > on the door post immediately behind the door. I have such a foil > antenna for my handheld installed there, and it works well. (But for > the main Comm, I rely on an external Comant on the belly, cause I know > it will work well.) > Phil in IL, finishing at rotary engine install > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270659#270659 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Way Off Topic: New PIC
Date: Nov 03, 2009
Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's now a pilot! Tim O. - N104CD's F.O. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2009
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
From: Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net>
On 11/03/2009 04:38 PM, Perry, Phil wrote: > I've heard that antennas operate on FM. That's not really true, there's > a science to it. > > I'll let you figure out what FM is. :) > > Another hint - our aviation COM radios work on AM frequencies (Amplitude Modulation). You can find info on AM at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation> and FM at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation> if you are interested in learning more. <http://www.arrl.org/> is a good place to start if you want to learn about antenna construction. fyi -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rob Hunter" <rwhunter(at)integra.net>
Subject: Way Off Topic: New PIC
Date: Nov 03, 2009
Wow, that is super Tim. Tell her congrats from me. Rob Hunter -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Way Off Topic: New PIC Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's now a pilot! Tim O. - N104CD's F.O. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Yes, I should clarify. The particular version of FM I was referring to is a certain type of ______ Magic that can only be found in the urban dictionary. It is the type of magic that avionic technicians frequently use to neuter electronic gremlins from ever reproducing. This phrase is commonly found on military flight lines. :) Phil -----Original Message----- From: Dj Merrill [mailto:deej(at)deej.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:48 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna On 11/03/2009 04:38 PM, Perry, Phil wrote: > I've heard that antennas operate on FM. That's not really true, there's > a science to it. > > I'll let you figure out what FM is. :) > > Another hint - our aviation COM radios work on AM frequencies (Amplitude Modulation). You can find info on AM at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation> and FM at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation> if you are interested in learning more. <http://www.arrl.org/> is a good place to start if you want to learn about antenna construction. fyi -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2009
Subject: Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC
From: "Jim" <jim(at)CombsFive.Com>
Sweet! That's excellent! Congratulations! IFR Rating next? Jim C (N312F) -------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's now a pilot! Tim O. - N104CD's F.O. (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on below to find out more about Incentive Gifts provided www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - The RV10-List Email Forum - Features Navigator to browse Un/Subscription, Chat, FAQ, --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - available via the Web Forums! http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Nov 03, 2009
Subject: Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC
Congratulations! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com> Sent: Tue Nov 03 12:50:28 2009 Subject: RV10-List: Way Off Topic: New PIC Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's now a pilot! Tim O. - N104CD's F.O. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC
FANTASTIC. Congratulations! Tim Olson wrote: > > Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now > N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not > only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's > now a pilot! > Tim O. - N104CD's F.O. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Seat belts and windows
I'm confused, blind, perhaps both... Two questions - 1) Where are the plan steps for the seat belt installation? 2) Where are the plan steps for installing the rear windows? I see where they are trial fitted in 43-9, and the door windows are installed in 45-08, and the windsheild installed in 45-18 - but can't find where the rear windows are glued in place. No issue here, I can figure out when and how to do it but I'm wondering if I've mis laid a chunk of plans!! Thanks to anyone who will enlighten me. Thanks Bill "1 step forward, 2 steps somewhere else, or maybe too much coffee" Watson ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Nov 03, 2009
Hi Phil, since I am the one who started the topic I thank you for sharing your insides here. I couldn't find any "real" answer before in the forum. My COM 1 is an external antenna and I thought that the com 2 would be fine on the center bar. Having read your statements above will change my installation. Cheers Mike -------- RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270845#270845 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven Roberts" <swrpilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Way Off Topic: New PIC
Date: Nov 03, 2009
Tim, Congratulations to your wife!! My wife soloed just over a week ago and is working on her cross country requirements. It will be great to have two licensed pilots in the cockpit. Steve Roberts (still waiting for a suitable place to build my RV-10) N2700W Mooney M20E KMOR Morristown, TN Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's now a pilot! Tim O. - N104CD's F.O. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Way Off Topic: New PIC
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Congrats Tim! My wife just finished her PhD last week. Now that she has all this free time, I'm trying to figure out how to get her a PPL too. :) I'm jealous. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim(at)MyRV10.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Way Off Topic: New PIC Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's now a pilot! Tim O. - N104CD's F.O. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC
Date: Nov 03, 2009
That is great! My wife keeps asking "what does Tim's wife do when he flies everywhere?" I hate to have to tell her that now she flies.. now my wife is going to want to get her license. Congratulate her for us! Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Way Off Topic: New PIC > > Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now > N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not only > wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's now a > pilot! > Tim O. - N104CD's F.O. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Certified WAAS GPS
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
I am considering the G3X for my 8A project. Much like other vendors the G3X includes a VFR WAAS GPS. Sounds like all the accuracy with none of the certification. For one to fly legal WAAS IFR GPS approaches I believe the unit need to be driven off a certified WAAS GPS as far as I understand. Other than the 430W & 530W what are my other options for certified a WAAS GPS feed? Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Hey Mike, I really didn't want to come across negatively. Just looking at the airplane and thinking of creative places to install a copper tape antenna, I'd suggest running a tape (or even wire) in the vertical section aft of the main doors. This is the vertical area (inside the cabin top) that is between the aft windows and the main door. You'll be able to maintain vertical polarization by installing here. Measuring my cabin top, I have around 30 inches vertical area for the antenna to run inside at this location. About 22 inches of space above the aluminum airframe - a key number as you'll see in the next paragraph. Just doing some quick math, you'll only need an antenna length of 22.11 inches to tune the antenna to 127mhz. (Middle of 118mhz - 136mhz range). You can ground the braid to the fuselage (There's a really nice longeron right there) and attach the center conductor to the copper tape/wire. The base of the tape should be above the aluminum airframe, so braid goes to the frame and the center conductor goes directly into the vertical tape. (Does any of that make sense?) You'll stand a better chance of getting a resonant antenna in this location. I'm still a little concerned with that much RF being radiated inside the cockpit, but it may not matter. Only testing the transmitter with the avionics up and running will really tell the truth. For your benefit, when calculating the antenna length you can use this simple formula to get the quarter wavelength of the antenna. Quarter wavelength = 234/(frequency in mhz) The antenna I described is essentially a 1/2 wavelength antenna being composed of a 1/4 wavelength radiating element (copper tape). The other 1/4 wavelength of the antenna is being made up from the aluminum structure of the fuselage. Let me know if I can help. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Michael Wellenzohn [mailto:rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna Hi Phil, since I am the one who started the topic I thank you for sharing your insides here. I couldn't find any "real" answer before in the forum. My COM 1 is an external antenna and I thought that the com 2 would be fine on the center bar. Having read your statements above will change my installation. Cheers Mike -------- RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=270845#270845 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Way Off Topic: New PIC
My congratulations to the 'Captain'. Makes me jealous ..... mine won't even fly with me! Linn Tim Olson wrote: > > Sorry that this is way off topic but I'm kind of excited because now > N104CD has an official co-pilot....ME! Yes, the little lady now not > only wears the pants in the house but in the cockpit too, since she's > now a pilot! > Tim O. - N104CD's F.O. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: MARCUS COOPER <coop85(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Certified WAAS GPS
The Garmin GNS-480 also works.- Might even find one cheaper now that they stopped production.- Too bad, it's a great system. - Marcus --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Robin Marks wrote: From: Robin Marks <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com> Subject: RV10-List: Certified WAAS GPS Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 6:22 PM I am considering the G3X for my 8A project. Much like other vendors the G3X includes a VFR WAAS GPS. Sounds like all the accuracy with none of the cer tification. For one to fly legal WAAS IFR GPS approaches I believe the unit need to be driven off a certified WAAS GPS as far as I understand. Other t han the 430W & 530W what are my other options for certified a WAAS GPS feed ? - Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
Phil, it's true. All antennas are FM. And then some feed pipes. Sheesh. Linn Perry, Phil wrote: > > Hi Pascal, > > I never sent my original e-mail because I couldn't figure out how to > communicate the issue without sounding really really rude or offensive > and that's not my goal. So those messages got typed and then I deleted > them. > > But Phil White cracked the door enough for me to open up for a few > seconds. > > As John Cox mentioned, go find a ham who has been around for awhile and > ask them to visit your project for a few hours. If they're the > old-school type who built their own antennas and transceivers (AKA: > home-brew type), they'll jump right on the project and be able to > provide very valuable experience, tools, and measuring equipment. > > I've heard that antennas operate on FM. That's not really true, there's > a science to it. > > I'll let you figure out what FM is. :) > > Phil > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "SteinAir, Inc." <stein(at)steinair.com>
Subject: Certified WAAS GPS
Date: Nov 03, 2009
Hi Robin, You are correct...and there are a couple alternatives out there, but their price points make the GNS boxes the less expensive way to go. Someone mentioned the 480's and indeed they are WAAS certified, but due to supply & demand, they often times bring more on the used market than a new 430W costs! So, the quick/dirty answer is that the GNS box is still the best way to go from a money perspective. Sorry I don't have any better news! Cheers, Stein _________________________________________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:22 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Certified WAAS GPS I am considering the G3X for my 8A project. Much like other vendors the G3X includes a VFR WAAS GPS. Sounds like all the accuracy with none of the certification. For one to fly legal WAAS IFR GPS approaches I believe the unit need to be driven off a certified WAAS GPS as far as I understand. Other than the 430W & 530W what are my other options for certified a WAAS GPS feed? Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: First successful test of windscreen antenna
You could consider that Bob Archer makes a com antenna that will go in which ever wing tip you don't put the vor antenna. Won't have the range of external antenna, but for a com 2 should be fine. The wing tip has enough vertical to give it proper orientation, as I've seen one installed in an RV7 wingtip that worked fine. Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > > Hi Phil, > > since I am the one who started the topic I thank you for sharing your insides here. I couldn't find any "real" answer before in the forum. My COM 1 is an external antenna and I thought that the com 2 would be fine on the center bar. Having read your statements above will change my installation. > > Cheers > Mike > > -------- > RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) > #511


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