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From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: Re: Static lines
Date: Mar 29, 2010
I have the Dynon SkyView, and you need pitot, static, and an AOA tube going to the tailcone area. I also ran the static to the IP area for an alternate static switch..... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2010, at 12:08 PM, "johngoodman" wrote: > > > > Plan on TWO lines - one for static going forward, and one for pitot > going aft. Assuming you plan on putting your AHARS in the tail. > Can't say for all of them, but my GRT AHARS is where you connect > both pitot & static. > John > > -------- > #40572 QB. Engine on, wing attach coming soon. Panel delivery soon. > N711JG reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292228#292228 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Page Update after ACI
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Mar 29, 2010
Tim, as always, thanks for the write ups. I've learned a lot from your web site. I agree with HP statements. Out here in the west, climb rate and service ceiling are often important in whether a trip is go or no-go. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292244#292244 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2010
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Fuel Related Items
The RV-10 will hold about 61 gallons total I think if you really stuff it in to the brim, but call it 60 as advertised. When it comes to useable fuel, almost ALL fuel is useable. I've flown each tank until dry (on separate test flights done directly over the airport), and both tanks when I sumped them after it was out of fuel, had only about 1 cup or so that would come out. Certainly far less than a quart. So consider that if you fill it pretty full, you're looking at 60 gallons with 60 useable, if you don't count the extra .5 gallons that you can squeeze into the tank. As for the universal joints, it depends on your setup. Mine isn't perfectly straight, and it still works ok with a slight angle between the valve and handle. If you mount the valve so it's level to the tunnel cover and directly below the hole, you won't need a universal. There is a little slop to it for forgiveness. If you order a 12" extension, you will likely use about half of it. I can't remember if I had less than 6" left, or more than 6" left. But, I'd order 12" either way. That way if you mess up the cut, you may end up with some excess to play with. Ordering the extensions is enough of a pain coming from the U.K. that it pays to waste a couple bucks. The fitting choice is all up to you based on what you plan to do with your lines and the style of the valve that you get. You'll most likely want downward turning AN fittings, which you can also do with the 1/4" female NPT, by using an AN822-6D. That's what I did. Turned out good because I just replaced one of the fittings to make sure I had a good one on there. But, on the other hand, it can sometimes be hard to get an NPT fitting aligned where you want it without it being too tight or too loose....so you may consider ordering their downturned AN fittings. If it were ME buying it, I guess I'd buy it with the AN type built-in fittings, but I'd splurge and buy a spare. I absolutely hate being grounded for stupid things like that, and since Andair is your sole-source for the built-in fittings, I'd definitely order a spare if you go that route. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Perry, Phil wrote: > I also see a 3^rd question now. > > > > I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6 or > 12, but I was wrong. > > > > Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle? > > I doubt it. It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel cover. > > > > Finally here is a checkbox for a Coupler Joint, but there is no > description of what it is > > Any ideas? > > > > Phil > > > > *From:* Perry, Phil > *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Fuel Related Items > > > > Ive put it off as long as I can. Now Im getting ready to write the > check for the Andair Fuel Valve. > > > > Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the > appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question. > > > > 1) Are most people using the NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3 > connections of the FS20x7? > > a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F. > > > > Finally Im going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the > next question. > > > > 2) Vans says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30. > Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity? > > a. Id like to placard usable fuel on the selector. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Phil > > > > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2010
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho
Albert.... and others... please respond on board... lot's of want to know. - Several people out of Texas, fly there every year. Don McDonald --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Albert Gardner wrote: From: Albert Gardner <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> Subject: RV10-List: Johnson Creek, Idaho Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 9:27 AM Would those of you that have flown your RV-10 into Johnson Creek/Yellow Pine, Idaho please contact me off list. I am interested in flying into ther e for camping this summer. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ibspud(at)roadrunner.com le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Static lines
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Mar 29, 2010
Is anyone running two pitot lines? I went and installed the Van's pitot as well as a (not yet purchased) heated one on the other wing. Is there any value in using an unheated pitot on the back up instruments? (If I lose power there won't be any electricity to a heated pitot anyway, although certainly the primary instruments could fail for reasons other than power loss.) -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292250#292250 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Fuel Related Items
Date: Mar 29, 2010
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Yeah I didn't think of using their Banjo connectors, but that's a good idea. This would let me eliminate the 45 degree elbows on the L&R lines and go directly to a Male AN6 fitting instead. Good idea. Also nice that it's adjustable. I'll keep the female connector on the bottom for the fuel going forward and the return from the boost pump. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Fuel Related Items The RV-10 will hold about 61 gallons total I think if you really stuff it in to the brim, but call it 60 as advertised. When it comes to useable fuel, almost ALL fuel is useable. I've flown each tank until dry (on separate test flights done directly over the airport), and both tanks when I sumped them after it was out of fuel, had only about 1 cup or so that would come out. Certainly far less than a quart. So consider that if you fill it pretty full, you're looking at 60 gallons with 60 useable, if you don't count the extra .5 gallons that you can squeeze into the tank. As for the universal joints, it depends on your setup. Mine isn't perfectly straight, and it still works ok with a slight angle between the valve and handle. If you mount the valve so it's level to the tunnel cover and directly below the hole, you won't need a universal. There is a little slop to it for forgiveness. If you order a 12" extension, you will likely use about half of it. I can't remember if I had less than 6" left, or more than 6" left. But, I'd order 12" either way. That way if you mess up the cut, you may end up with some excess to play with. Ordering the extensions is enough of a pain coming from the U.K. that it pays to waste a couple bucks. The fitting choice is all up to you based on what you plan to do with your lines and the style of the valve that you get. You'll most likely want downward turning AN fittings, which you can also do with the 1/4" female NPT, by using an AN822-6D. That's what I did. Turned out good because I just replaced one of the fittings to make sure I had a good one on there. But, on the other hand, it can sometimes be hard to get an NPT fitting aligned where you want it without it being too tight or too loose....so you may consider ordering their downturned AN fittings. If it were ME buying it, I guess I'd buy it with the AN type built-in fittings, but I'd splurge and buy a spare. I absolutely hate being grounded for stupid things like that, and since Andair is your sole-source for the built-in fittings, I'd definitely order a spare if you go that route. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD Perry, Phil wrote: > I also see a 3^rd question now....... > > > > I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6" or > 12", but I was wrong. > > > > Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle? > > I doubt it. It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel cover. > > > > Finally here is a checkbox for a "Coupler Joint", but there is no > description of what it is... > > Any ideas? > > > > Phil > > > > *From:* Perry, Phil > *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Fuel Related Items > > > > I've put it off as long as I can. Now I'm getting ready to write the > check for the Andair Fuel Valve. > > > > Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the > appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question. > > > > 1) Are most people using the " NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3 > connections of the FS20x7? > > a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F. > > > > Finally I'm going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the > next question. > > > > 2) Van's says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30. > Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity? > > a. I'd like to placard usable fuel on the selector. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Phil > > > > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2010
Subject: Re: Static lines
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Would you share on or off list your impressions/ salient points on the Skyview? On or off list. It is probably at the top of my list right now, with GRT and AFS close behind. Thanks, Kelly On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Michael Kraus wrote: > > I have the Dynon SkyView, and you need pitot, static, and an AOA tube going > to the tailcone area. I also ran the static to the IP area for an alternate > static switch..... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 29, 2010, at 12:08 PM, "johngoodman" > wrote: > >> >> Plan on TWO lines - one for static going forward, and one for pitot going >> aft. Assuming you plan on putting your AHARS in the tail. Can't say for all >> of them, but my GRT AHARS is where you connect both pitot & static. >> John >> >> -------- >> #40572 QB. Engine on, wing attach coming soon. Panel delivery soon. >> N711JG reserved >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292228#292228 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2010
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho
I just put this together for you. I will add to it later but it is a start and will get you oriented. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=419083#post419083 Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 11:35:50 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Johnson Creek, Idaho Albert.... and others... please respond on board... lot's of want to know. Several people out of Texas, fly there every year. Don McDonald --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Albert Gardner wrote: >From: Albert Gardner <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> >Subject: RV10-List: Johnson Creek, Idaho >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 9:27 AM > > >Would those of you that have flown your RV-10 into Johnson Creek/Yellow >Pine, Idaho please contact me off list. I am interested in flying into there >for camping this summer. >Albert Gardner >N991RV >Yuma, AZ >ibspud@roadrunneonics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Nav - MATRONICS WEB -Matt Dralle, Listm/contribution" >====== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RE: Fuel Related Items
Date: Mar 29, 2010
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
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Subject: Re: RE: Fuel Related Items
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk(at)mac.com>
Date: Mar 29, 2010
can anyone tell me if i should set the fuel flow meter to 58 gal or to 60? On Mar 29, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > The RV-10 will hold about 61 gallons total I think if you > really stuff it in to the brim, but call it 60 as > advertised. > > When it comes to useable fuel, almost ALL fuel is useable. > I've flown each tank until dry (on separate test flights > done directly over the airport), and both tanks when I > sumped them after it was out of fuel, had only about > 1 cup or so that would come out. Certainly far less than > a quart. So consider that if you fill it pretty full, > you're looking at 60 gallons with 60 useable, if you don't > count the extra .5 gallons that you can squeeze into the > tank. > > As for the universal joints, it depends on your setup. > Mine isn't perfectly straight, and it still works > ok with a slight angle between the valve and handle. > If you mount the valve so it's level to the tunnel > cover and directly below the hole, you won't need a > universal. There is a little slop to it for > forgiveness. > > If you order a 12" extension, you will likely use > about half of it. I can't remember if I had less > than 6" left, or more than 6" left. But, I'd order > 12" either way. That way if you mess up the cut, > you may end up with some excess to play with. > Ordering the extensions is enough of a pain coming > from the U.K. that it pays to waste a couple bucks. > > The fitting choice is all up to you based on what > you plan to do with your lines and the style of > the valve that you get. You'll most likely want > downward turning AN fittings, which you can also > do with the 1/4" female NPT, by using an AN822-6D. > That's what I did. Turned out good because I > just replaced one of the fittings to make sure I > had a good one on there. But, on the other hand, > it can sometimes be hard to get an NPT fitting > aligned where you want it without it being too > tight or too loose....so you may consider ordering > their downturned AN fittings. If it were ME buying > it, I guess I'd buy it with the AN type built-in > fittings, but I'd splurge and buy a spare. I > absolutely hate being grounded for stupid things > like that, and since Andair is your sole-source for > the built-in fittings, I'd definitely order a > spare if you go that route. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > > > > Perry, Phil wrote: >> I also see a 3^rd question now. >> I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6 or 12, but I was wrong. >> Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle? >> I doubt it. It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel cover. >> Finally here is a checkbox for a Coupler Joint, but there is no description of what it is Any ideas? >> Phil >> *From:* Perry, Phil >> *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM >> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* Fuel Related Items >> Ive put it off as long as I can. Now Im getting ready to write the check for the Andair Fuel Valve. Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question. >> 1) Are most people using the NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3 connections of the FS20x7? >> a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F. >> Finally Im going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the next question. >> 2) Vans says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30. Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity? a. Id like to placard usable fuel on the selector. >> Thanks, >> Phil >> * >> * > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Mar 29, 2010
Subject: SkyView was Static lines
Don't forget the Garmin G3X series. I am considering the G3X and SkyView system for an 8A due to fly later this year. Robin Would you share on or off list your impressions/ salient points on the Skyview? On or off list. It is probably at the top of my list right now, with GRT and AFS close behind. Thanks, Kelly ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2010
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Fuel Related Items
60... it's all usable. Don --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote: From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk(at)mac.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Fuel Related Items Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 1:47 PM can anyone tell me if i should set the fuel flow meter to=C2- 58 gal or t o 60? On Mar 29, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > The RV-10 will hold about 61 gallons total I think if you > really stuff it in to the brim, but call it 60 as > advertised. > > When it comes to useable fuel, almost ALL fuel is useable. > I've flown each tank until dry (on separate test flights > done directly over the airport), and both tanks when I > sumped them after it was out of fuel, had only about > 1 cup or so that would come out.=C2- Certainly far less than > a quart.=C2- So consider that if you fill it pretty full, > you're looking at 60 gallons with 60 useable, if you don't > count the extra .5 gallons that you can squeeze into the > tank. > > As for the universal joints, it depends on your setup. > Mine isn't perfectly straight, and it still works > ok with a slight angle between the valve and handle. > If you mount the valve so it's level to the tunnel > cover and directly below the hole, you won't need a > universal.=C2- There is a little slop to it for > forgiveness. > > If you order a 12" extension, you will likely use > about half of it.=C2- I can't remember if I had less > than 6" left, or more than 6" left. But, I'd order > 12" either way.=C2- That way if you mess up the cut, > you may end up with some excess to play with. > Ordering the extensions is enough of a pain coming > from the U.K. that it pays to waste a couple bucks. > > The fitting choice is all up to you based on what > you plan to do with your lines and the style of > the valve that you get.=C2- You'll most likely want > downward turning AN fittings, which you can also > do with the 1/4" female NPT, by using an AN822-6D. > That's what I did.=C2- Turned out good because I > just replaced one of the fittings to make sure I > had a good one on there.=C2- But, on the other hand, > it can sometimes be hard to get an NPT fitting > aligned where you want it without it being too > tight or too loose....so you may consider ordering > their downturned AN fittings.=C2- If it were ME buying > it, I guess I'd buy it with the AN type built-in > fittings, but I'd splurge and buy a spare.=C2- I > absolutely hate being grounded for stupid things > like that, and since Andair is your sole-source for > the built-in fittings, I'd definitely order a > spare if you go that route. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > > > > Perry, Phil wrote: >> I also see a 3^rd question now. >> I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6 =9D or 12=9D, but I was wrong. >> Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle? >> I doubt it.=C2- It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel cov er. >> Finally here is a checkbox for a =9CCoupler Joint=9D, but th ere is no description of what it is Any ideas? >> Phil >> *From:* Perry, Phil >> *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM >> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* Fuel Related Items >> I=99ve put it off as long as I can.=C2- Now I=99m getting ready to write the check for the Andair Fuel Valve.=C2- Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the appropriate fittings.=C2 - Which leads me to the first question. >> 1)=C2- =C2- =C2- Are most people using the =C2=BC=9D NPT (FE MALE) fittings on all 3 connections of the FS20x7? >> a.=C2- =C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-This creates a part number of FS20f7F. >> Finally I=99m going to customize the face plate.=C2- This leads me into the next question. >> 2)=C2- =C2- =C2- Van=99s says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30.=C2- Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity? a.=C2- =C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-I=99d like to placard usable fuel o n the selector. >>=C2- Thanks, >> Phil >>=C2- * >> * > > > > > > S WEB FORUMS - on Web Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2010
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel
pant I seem to recall that a few people have bonded the lower intersection fairing to the wheel pant but can't remember who. If you've done it and have some pics, please share or point me to them. It's starting to make some sense to me right now. Thanks Bill "pants on the ground" Watson ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fuel Related Items
From: "Ron B." <cfxoa(at)klis.com>
Date: Mar 29, 2010
I purchased my Andair valve not knowing I would need an extension. I ended up ordering an extension directly from Andair at Sun & Fun. I believe the older models had to be ordered together but not so for the units sold in the last few years. There is a way to determine between the units but I forget what the features are. Ron Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292287#292287 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel
pant
Date: Mar 29, 2010
Bill I did it and love it so far. I am glad I did it. A little more work but easy on and off. I thought I had a better picture. I will send a few better picture tomorrow. Geoff Geoff Combs President Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel pant --> I seem to recall that a few people have bonded the lower intersection fairing to the wheel pant but can't remember who. If you've done it and have some pics, please share or point me to them. It's starting to make some sense to me right now. Thanks Bill "pants on the ground" Watson ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2010
Subject: Re: SkyView was Static lines
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Garmin is a non-starter for me, but on initial price and price of data updates. Haven't decided on portable system yet either, but it also is unlikely to be Garmin. One can buy 4-6 years of continuous data updates from other firms, or a lifetime subscription for less than 1 yr of 696 updates. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > > Don't forget the Garmin G3X series. I am considering the G3X and SkyView > system for an 8A due to fly later this year. > Robin > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2010
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel
pant Nice job Geoff... no big surprise though...- hey, your headset bracket is in the shop being punched and bent... hope it works for you. Don McDonald- --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Geoff Combs wrote: From: Geoff Combs <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing t o wheel pant Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 2:55 PM Bill I did it and love it so far. I am glad I did it. A little more work bu t easy on and off. I thought I had a better picture. I will send a few better picture tomorrow. Geoff Geoff Combs President Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel pant --> I seem to recall that a few people have bonded the lower intersection fairing to the wheel pant but can't remember who.- If you've done it and have some pics, please share or point me to them. It's starting to make some sense to me right now. Thanks Bill "pants on the ground" Watson =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel
pant
Date: Mar 29, 2010
Hey Bill "not lookin' like a fool" Watson, Here are some I made of ours. I added a lip to make a better junction. Be careful about centering the cut so that the two halves meet without having to compress one. Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Mauledriver Watson" <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel pant > > > I seem to recall that a few people have bonded the lower intersection > fairing to the wheel pant but can't remember who. If you've done it and > have some pics, please share or point me to them. > > It's starting to make some sense to me right now. > > Thanks > Bill "pants on the ground" Watson > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Johnson Creek, Idaho
Date: Mar 29, 2010
I'm planning on Johnson Creek this summer but Grandma, Mom, and the baby don't want to camp. Grandpa, Dad, and the kids are looking forward to a few nights in the tent. I have heard that there is a lodge there or at least near there so that both groups can be happy. Is that the case? If so, has anyone stayed at the lodge? Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bill Gipson <gipsowh(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Fuel Related Items
Date: Mar 29, 2010
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Subject: RE: Fuel Related Items
Date: Mar 29, 2010
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
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Date: Mar 29, 2010
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho
Here is the lodge you were talking about. My wife and I rode our mountain bikes to it. It is around 5-8 miles up-creek from Johnson's Creek. You could easily borrow the courtesy van from Johnson Creek to go up and visit them, I'm sure they will come pick up at Johnson's Creek. This is the plane that flys into Johnson Creek to drop off the guests. (see attached) http://www.wapitimeadowranch.com/index.htm Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Albert Gardner <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 6:14:31 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Johnson Creek, Idaho I'm planning on Johnson Creek this summer but Grandma, Mom, and the baby don't want to camp. Grandpa, Dad, and the kids are looking forward to a few nights in the tent. I have heard that there is a lodge there or at least near there so that both groups can be happy. Is that the case? If so, has anyone stayed at the lodge? Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho
From: "Andy Turner" <aturner(at)clarion.edu>
Date: Mar 29, 2010
Albert, if you are on a budget, the General Store in Yellow Pine has rooms for rent. http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~yptimes/page5.html http://www.harmonicacontest.com/ -------- Andy Turner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292324#292324 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 29, 2010
Subject: Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel
pant Bill, I bonded the intersection fairings. I'll try to send some pictures tomorrow, but Lew's pictures tell the whole story. What wasn't intuitive, at least not to me, is that the split line of the intersection fairing has to be forward of the wheel pant split line so the front half of the wheel pant can full forward off the gear leg fairing. Once you start working with it you'll see the problem. I couldn't tell from Geoff's pictures if he did that too or if he has another solution. Either way, very nice. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson < MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote: > MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> > > I seem to recall that a few people have bonded the lower intersection > fairing to the wheel pant but can't remember who. If you've done it and > have some pics, please share or point me to them. > > It's starting to make some sense to me right now. > > Thanks > Bill "pants on the ground" Watson > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel
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From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Mar 29, 2010
Bill, My version of wheel pants. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292330#292330 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010093_816.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010088_201.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010087_213.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010086_140.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010085_176.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010083_186.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010082_134.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Fuel Related Items
Date: Mar 30, 2010
From: "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil>
Phil - Unless Andair has changed their valves, you can't just bolt an extension between the handle and the body. The valve body is machined to interact with the handle parts to provide the stops and locking mechanism. The extension kit is more than a chunk of extruded tube. The heart of an extension kit is a bezel machined to replicate the top of the valve body so the stops and off-locks still function. neal ===================== I=99ll just order the FS20x7T from Vans and take you up on your offer for the extension. I=99m guessing you can retro fit the standard valve. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 30, 2010
Subject: Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel
pant Bill, Here are some pics of our wheel pants. The gap you see opened up on the inner split line because there isn't a screw closer to the top of the intersection, just the one on the very bottom. Others look nicer so if you can think of some way to pull the split line together you could probably avoid the gap you seen on mine. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson < MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote: > MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> > > I seem to recall that a few people have bonded the lower intersection > fairing to the wheel pant but can't remember who. If you've done it and > have some pics, please share or point me to them. > > It's starting to make some sense to me right now. > > Thanks > Bill "pants on the ground" Watson > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Ward" <daveward(at)airward.com>
Subject: Main Door Hinges
Date: Mar 30, 2010
AirWard has developed another upgrade kit for the RV-10 line. We have a replacement to the original installation procedure for attaching the main doors to the canopy. So much emphasis has been concentrated on the main door latch system and no consideration for the two hinges holding the main door to the canopy. This 1/8" fiberglass with four countersunk screws is subject to quite a bit of tension when both latching the main door and when the door is in the up position. Our Kit has all the parts for four latches. See the attached brochure for pictures. We also have the Parking Brake Valve Kit and the Tunnel Access Kit available. Dave Ward RV-10, just about on gear. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 30, 2010
From: David White <dww0708(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Prop governor adapter
does any one on the RV10 list know where to procure one of these,,,-- ? -- Its a prop governor adaptor for a external oil supply line-- Tha nk-- you-- David ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Johnson Creek, Idaho
Date: Mar 31, 2010
Thanks Scott. I'm looking forward to this but Yellow Pine is sure small from what I hear. Albert From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 6:50 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Johnson Creek, Idaho Here is the lodge you were talking about. My wife and I rode our mountain bikes to it. It is around 5-8 miles up-creek from Johnson's Creek. You could easily borrow the courtesy van from Johnson Creek to go up and visit them, I'm sure they will come pick up at Johnson's Creek. This is the plane that flys into Johnson Creek to drop off the guests. (see attached) http://www.wapitimeadowranch.com/index.htm Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com _____ From: Albert Gardner <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 6:14:31 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Johnson Creek, Idaho I'm planning on Johnson Creek this summer but Grandma, Mom, and the baby don't want to camp. Grandpa, Dad, and the kids are looking forward to a few nights in the tent. I have heard that there is a lodge there or at least near there so that both groups can be happy. Is that the case? If so, has anyone stayed at the lodge? Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 31, 2010
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho
Yup it's small. A store, a bar, and there was someone selling cool wood carvings. Not too many of these towns left. We needed groceries but it was closed. One of the locals said we could find her at the corner bar. Sure enough she was there and opened the store for us. They do have an 18 hole golf course. You'll want to rent their clubs. The RV-10 is great for that strip, you will have fun. -Scott Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2010, at 8:31 AM, "Albert Gardner" wrote: Thanks Scott. I'm looking forward to this but Yellow Pine is sure small from what I hear. Albert From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 6:50 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Johnson Creek, Idaho Here is the lodge you were talking about. My wife and I rode our mountain bikes to it. It is around 5-8 miles up-creek from Johnson's Creek. You could easily borrow the courtesy van from Johnson Creek to go up and visit them, I'm sure they will come pick up at Johnson's Creek. This is the plane that flys into Johnson Creek to drop off the guests. (see attached) http://www.wapitimeadowranch.com/index.htm Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com From: Albert Gardner <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 6:14:31 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Johnson Creek, Idaho I'm planning on Johnson Creek this summer but Grandma, Mom, and the baby don't want to camp. Grandpa, Dad, and the kids are looking forward to a few nights in the tent. I have heard that there is a lodge there or at least near there so that both groups can be happy. Is that the case? If so, has anyone stayed at the lodge? Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Swivel connectors
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Mar 31, 2010
I haven't had good luck with the traditional two piece articulating swivel connectors. They seem to leak, bind, or come apart. A friend showed me an integrated ball swivel connector that looked sweet, but he said they were $20 a piece. After searching around I found these on sale for $5.33 They are good quality and much more user friendly than the other design. http://www.tooltopia.com/acme-automotive-a918n4bs.aspx -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292546#292546 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Bose headset X - on sale at Sportys $845
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Mar 31, 2010
I notice that Sportys is selling this headset for $845 which is an unprecedented price for this awesome headset. Usually when the mfg drops the price like this ($150) it is to reduce inventory in anticipation of a new model being released. The aviation X headset has been around for 10-12 years now and the competition my be eating their lunch. Other brands have bluetooth and I-pod/phone connectors. Does anybody have any information on the possibility that Bose is going to release a new model headset at Sun-n-Fun or at Oshkosh????? -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - phase 1 / painting Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292588#292588 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Congratulations Lew! -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292638#292638 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Seans door latch
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2010
I wanted to give a heads up for anyone considering my latch. The vendor I use for the gears on my latch is 6 weeks out for production. If anyone orders now I can get a more accurate quantity at a time and they won't have to wait longer to get their latch. Thanks Sean Strasburg -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292640#292640 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bose headset X - on sale at Sportys $845
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Exact same price at Aircraft Spruce.... John -------- #40572 QB. Engine on, wing attach coming soon. Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292642#292642 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bose headset X - on sale at Sportys $845
Date: Apr 01, 2010
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Subject: Re: Bose headset X - on sale at Sportys $845
Bose price fixes. If one has it at that price, odds are they all do. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Bose headset X - on sale at Sportys $845 Exact same price at Aircraft Spruce.... John -------- #40572 QB. Engine on, wing attach coming soon. Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292642#292642 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Apr 01, 2010
A hearty congratulations. It is a biggg accomplishment and a real life milestone. As we move closer to the 300 number of 10's flying our owners are getting a bit more nonchalant about new additions. Not I. Be safe and enjoy the next 25-40 hrs. Don't rush the phase one - pull the cowl and covers frequently and be careful. Hope that we see you at OSH. Enjoy those greaser landings and awesome visibility. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - phase 1 / painting Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292668#292668 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: First Flight
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Congatulations Lew. Looking for the first flight video. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Stella" <Sstella(at)incisaledge.com>
Subject: First Flight
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Congrats. I never get bored with new flights because it keeps the people that are still building motivated to finish. Can't wait to see the video. Steve Stella #40654 Wings N521RV reserved -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:44 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: First Flight Congatulations Lew. Looking for the first flight video. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: prop installation
From: "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Is there a good long "crowsfoot" or tool that I can use to torque the bolts on my propeller?? Hope to be at Oshkosh this year. Thanks...Greg -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292715#292715 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: prop installation
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Make one. Take a good quality open end wrench of the correct size and weld a 3/8" socket extension on it at the center. You will then have a wrench to use with your standard torque wrench. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of greghale Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: RV10-List: prop installation Is there a good long "crowsfoot" or tool that I can use to torque the bolts on my propeller?? Hope to be at Oshkosh this year. Thanks...Greg -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292715#292715 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: prop installation
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Greg They make a special adapter that connects to a torch wrench google prop torch adapter you will find it. It is like a long crows foot. John G. Cumins President 2499 B1 Martin Rd Fairfield Ca 94533 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax Your Total Technology Solution Provider -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of greghale Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: RV10-List: prop installation Is there a good long "crowsfoot" or tool that I can use to torque the bolts on my propeller?? Hope to be at Oshkosh this year. Thanks...Greg -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292715#292715 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2010
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: prop installation
I seldom pick on spelling errors, but you'll get some really weird results with that search!!! Try 'prop torque adapter'. Linn John Cumins wrote: > > Greg > > They make a special adapter that connects to a torch wrench google > prop torch adapter you will find it. It is like a long crows foot. > > John G. Cumins > > President > > > > 2499 B1 Martin Rd > > Fairfield Ca 94533 > > 707-425-7100 > > 707-425-7576 Fax > > > > Your Total Technology Solution Provider > > -----Original Message----- > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: prop installation
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Forgot.... You then can carry the wrench in your custom tool box for the 10; don't forget to carry an additional spare O ring for the prop. Chances are small that an FBO is going to have the O ring if you break an alternator belt somewhere and need to change it. You will probably find the belt at any auto parts place but the O ring is another matter. When my TC177RG was turbo-ed the STC shop installed the wrong O ring. It seeped for 15 hours, then blew out on takeoff from KSAT. Finding the correct O ring took two days (because it was a weekend). -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:32 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: prop installation Make one. Take a good quality open end wrench of the correct size and weld a 3/8" socket extension on it at the center. You will then have a wrench to use with your standard torque wrench. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of greghale Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: RV10-List: prop installation Is there a good long "crowsfoot" or tool that I can use to torque the bolts on my propeller?? Hope to be at Oshkosh this year. Thanks...Greg -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292715#292715 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2010
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: prop installation
The alternator belt should last at least a couple of years, and you should check it during your conditional inspection. If you're worried, put another belt on the nose of the engine and tie it back to the lift ring. Linn DLM wrote: > > Forgot.... You then can carry the wrench in your custom tool box for the 10; > don't forget to carry an additional spare O ring for the prop. Chances are > small that an FBO is going to have the O ring if you break an alternator > belt somewhere and need to change it. You will probably find the belt at any > auto parts place but the O ring is another matter. When my TC177RG was > turbo-ed the STC shop installed the wrong O ring. It seeped for 15 hours, > then blew out on takeoff from KSAT. Finding the correct O ring took two days > (because it was a weekend). > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:32 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: prop installation > > > Make one. Take a good quality open end wrench of the correct size and weld a > 3/8" socket extension on it at the center. You will then have a wrench to > use with your standard torque wrench. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of greghale > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:22 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: prop installation > > > Is there a good long "crowsfoot" or tool that I can use to torque the bolts > on my propeller?? > > Hope to be at Oshkosh this year. > Thanks...Greg > > -------- > Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH > www.nwacaptain.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292715#292715 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: prop installation
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Linn You are so right OOPS my bad. Dumb fingers any way. John G. Cumins President 2499 B1 Martin Rd Fairfield Ca 94533 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax Your Total Technology Solution Provider From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:46 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: prop installation I seldom pick on spelling errors, but you'll get some really weird results with that search!!! Try 'prop torque adapter'. Linn John Cumins wrote: Greg They make a special adapter that connects to a torch wrench google prop torch adapter you will find it. It is like a long crows foot. John G. Cumins President 2499 B1 Martin Rd Fairfield Ca 94533 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax Your Total Technology Solution Provider -----Original Message----- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2010
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: prop installation
I think that's one of the reasons for having a backup alternator.... you ju st keep on going until you get someplace where they have everything you nee d to fix it.. Don McDonald --- On Thu, 4/1/10, DLM wrote: From: DLM <dlm46007(at)cox.net> Subject: RE: RV10-List: prop installation Date: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 4:47 PM Forgot.... You then can carry the wrench in your custom tool box for the 10 ; don't forget to carry an additional spare O ring for the prop. Chances are small that an FBO is going to have the O ring if you break an alternator belt somewhere and need to change it. You will probably find the belt at an y auto parts place but the O ring is another matter. When my TC177RG was turbo-ed the STC shop installed the wrong O ring. It seeped for 15 hours, then blew out on takeoff from KSAT. Finding the correct O ring took two day s (because it was a weekend).- -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:32 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: prop installation Make one. Take a good quality open end wrench of the correct size and weld a 3/8" socket extension on it at the center. You will then have a wrench to use with your standard torque wrench.- -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of greghale Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: RV10-List: prop installation Is there a good long "crowsfoot" or tool that I can use to torque the bolts on my propeller?? Hope to be at Oshkosh this year. Thanks...Greg -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292715#292715 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: prop installation
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Avery tool makes a special wrench for torquing the prop bolts I bought one - a bit pricey - but does the job http://www.averytools.com/p-734-hartzell-style-propeller-wrench.aspx Harzell sells one for about $200..... -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - phase 1 / painting Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292739#292739 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Don't forget to send pics and resume's to Vans first flight page -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - phase 1 / painting Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292740#292740 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: prop installation
From: "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Thanks everyone... I'll make sure I have an extra "0" ring in the toolbox. Greg... -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292745#292745 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: prop installation
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Apr 01, 2010
I have heard that some Lycoming operators put a second, spare belt over the prop and flywheel, and somehow tape it onto the engine out of the way, so they don't have to pull the prop to replace the first belt. I've never actually seen this, though. Cheap crows foot: Go the the hardware store and get a cheap nut and bolt of the same size you need to torque. You want one where the threads go all the way to the head of the bolt. Tighten the nut onto the bolt. Put the nut into one end of your wrench (use tape to keep it there), the other end of the wrench goes on the prop bolt or whatever you need to torque; your torque wrench goes on the head of the cheap bolt. Calculate the setting needed for the torque you want, and you're done. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292747#292747 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: prop installation
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Re-reading, I see someone else heard the "put a spare belt on" trick, too. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292748#292748 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: prop installation
Date: Apr 01, 2010
The downside of the extra belt is that it has already endured the heat, etc and may be dried/cracked/inflexible when needed for use. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:47 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: prop installation Re-reading, I see someone else heard the "put a spare belt on" trick, too. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292748#292748 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Subject: RV-20
Ok, so it=92s two RV-10=92s not an RV-20. Don & Kim McDonald are visiting t he central coast for a few days and I was able to solve the burning question =85 Can I fit two RV=92s in my hangar? Turns out I have room (properly arranged) to fit three! Hummm=85 What=92s V an=92s order line phone number again? With any luck we will be flying together in the am and I can finally get those air to air photos that will allow me to post the First Flight notice on Van=92s site. It=92s never too late right? Keep pounding, it=92s worth it. Robin [image: RV-20.jpg] ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rick <ricksked(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-20
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Don the hangar bum strikes again!!! :) Rick On Apr 1, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > Ok, so it=99s two RV-10=99s not an RV-20. Don & Kim McDonald are > visiting the central coast for a few days and I was able to solve th > e burning question Can I fit two RV=99s in my hangar? > > Turns out I have room (properly arranged) to fit three! Hummm > What=99s Van=99s order line phone number again? With any luck we will > be flying together in the am and I can finally get those air to air > photos that will allow me to post the First Flight notice on Van=99 s s > ite. It=99s never too late right? Keep pounding, it=99s worth it. > > > Robin > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2010
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-20
Man, Rick, ya hurt my feelings!!!!=C2- Rick and the rest... kissing Calif goodbye... come see us in Texas! Don McDonald --- On Thu, 4/1/10, Rick wrote: From: Rick <ricksked(at)cox.net> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-20 Date: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 9:59 PM Don the hangar bum strikes again!!! =C2-:) Rick On Apr 1, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Robin Marks wrote: Ok, so it=99s two RV-10=99s not an RV-20. Don & Kim McDonald ar e visiting the central coast for a few days and I was able to solve the bur ning question Can I fit two RV=99s in my hangar? Turns out I have room (properly arranged) to fit three! Hummm What =99s Van=99s order line phone number again? With any luck we wi ll be flying together in the am and I can finally get those air to air phot os that will allow me to post the First Flight notice on Van=99s site . It=99s never too late right? Keep pounding, it=99s worth it. =C2- Robin =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2010
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: prop installation
DLM wrote: > > The downside of the extra belt is that it has already endured the heat, etc > and may be dried/cracked/inflexible when needed for use. > Yup, it's true. However, changing it every 5 years like your hoses (you change the rubber hoses every 5 years, don't you???) along with the working belt makes this a non-issue. The weak link seems to be the alternator bearings from having the belts too tight. Properly adjusted, there's really no reason for the belt to fail prior to the 12 year/2400 hour recommended overhaul cycle. IMHO, of course. Linn > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:47 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: prop installation > > > Re-reading, I see someone else heard the "put a spare belt on" trick, too. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292748#292748 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RV-20
Date: Apr 02, 2010
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Did you turn down the lights and play some romantic music when you left the hangar last night? If you could set the mood and get them to make babies, you would be rich... I'd take on... Phil From: Robin Marks [mailto:Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 11:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV-20 Ok, so it's two RV-10's not an RV-20. Don & Kim McDonald are visiting the central coast for a few days and I was able to solve the burning question... Can I fit two RV's in my hangar? Turns out I have room (properly arranged) to fit three! Hummm... What's Van's order line phone number again? With any luck we will be flying together in the am and I can finally get those air to air photos that will allow me to post the First Flight notice on Van's site. It's never too late right? Keep pounding, it's worth it. Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: RV-20
Date: Apr 02, 2010
Robin's pitot looks too short. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 2, 2010, at 6:49, "Perry, Phil" wrote: > Did you turn down the lights and play some romantic music when you > left the hangar last night? > > > If you could set the mood and get them to make babies, you would be > rich I=99d take on > > > Phil > > > From: Robin Marks [mailto:Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 11:46 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: RV-20 > > > Ok, so it=99s two RV-10=99s not an RV-20. Don & Kim McDonald are > visiting the central coast for a few days and I was able to solve th > e burning question Can I fit two RV=99s in my hangar? > > Turns out I have room (properly arranged) to fit three! Hummm > What=99s Van=99s order line phone number again? With any luck we will > be flying together in the am and I can finally get those air to air > photos that will allow me to post the First Flight notice on Van=99 s s > ite. It=99s never too late right? Keep pounding, it=99s worth it. > > > Robin > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Date: Apr 02, 2010
WoooHooo! I don't think Wes's feet have touched the ground yet. This is my first video, YouTube, borrowed neighbors camera, etc. so let's see if it works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcPmLj5Djxc YouTube really drops the resolution, and I had to edit it down to less than 10 minutes, but you can get an idea. I promise you, even if your first flight is unpainted, minimal interior, etc. it is a thing of beauty! Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Avionics in, engine started! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292761#292761 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2010
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Subject: Re: RV-20
Unfortunately, pounding the rivets was the easy part! What has gotten to me is all the wiring, rewiring, modifying, remodifying, sanding, resanding, ordering and reordering, etc. - you get the picture. With all the redos, i have practically built RV-20 already. Jae Redoin somethin Robin Marks wrote: > > notice on Vans site. Its never too late right? Keep pounding, its > worth it. > > > > Robin > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Apr 02, 2010
Subject: RV-20
I had to save weight someplace! Plus no chance for making babies, I had a Vans-sectomy. Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Seano *Sent:* Friday, April 02, 2010 6:08 AM *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: RV-20 Robin's pitot looks too short. Sent from my iPhone ** * * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: These Planes are wonderful!!!
Date: Apr 02, 2010
I just landed in Minneapolis after flying up from south east of Atlanta. I was racing up the front side of a front that extended from Dallas TX north to the Canadian border. I really benefited by the great tail winds. At times I had 55 KT winds quartering on my tail. I was at 8000' at WOT and 2400 RPM and doing 168 KTS TAS. My ground speed at times was 210 KTS. Most of the time I was doing 185 to 190KTS ground speed. Total flying time 5 hours not counting the fuel stop at BMG. What a way to go. Gary Specketer 40274 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: CHP Stick Grips... company change
From: "jchang10" <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Date: Apr 03, 2010
It seems like quite a few people have the Tosten grips in their -10's. Can anyone flying with one of these grips, address whether the forward sweep on the grip is an issue as far as panel interference goes? With that forward sweep, clearly, you get less forward distance until hitting the panel. I'm just not sure if that is a practical concern at all when everything is finally rigged and tested. Thanks! Jae Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292867#292867 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2010
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: CHP Stick Grips... company change
I've trial fitted it and found that the stick has to be modified in some way to clear the panel. I bent mine in a press. Others have re-welded it. I'm not sure if any of the stick tops or any of the alternate panel setups end up without requiring some mod of the stick. Bill "pants off the ground" Watson jchang10 wrote: > > It seems like quite a few people have the Tosten grips in their -10's. > > Can anyone flying with one of these grips, address whether the forward sweep on the grip is an issue as far as panel interference goes? > > With that forward sweep, clearly, you get less forward distance until hitting the panel. I'm just not sure if that is a practical concern at all when everything is finally rigged and tested. > > Thanks! > Jae > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292867#292867 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Subject: iPad
Date: Apr 03, 2010
> > Can't wait for the first user evaluation of the iPad and the > free .pdf approach plates from pdfplates.com! > > This just might be the solution many of us are waiting for! > > grumpy ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 03, 2010
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: CHP Stick Grips... company change
Jae, if you zoom in on the pic attached, you will see what I did to make th em clear the panel... they go right under and clear by at least .050".....N ot that I will ever need to push the stick that far forward.- I might hav e slightly modified the connection on the bottom... just can't remember.- - But they work fine, no issues. Don McDonald --- On Sat, 4/3/10, jchang10 wrote: From: jchang10 <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> Subject: RV10-List: Re: CHP Stick Grips... company change Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 8:33 AM It seems like quite a few people have the Tosten grips in their -10's. Can anyone flying with one of these grips, address whether the forward swee p on the grip is an issue as far as panel interference goes? With that forward sweep, clearly, you get less forward distance until hitti ng the panel. I'm just not sure if that is a practical concern at all when everything is finally rigged and tested. Thanks! Jae Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292867#292867 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: iPad
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Apr 03, 2010
Foreflight just released their high definition, Ipad compatible version, and it looks like it has approach plates. It's a free update too. http://www.foreflight.com/assets/images/content/ffm-ipad/ss/ss_plate.jpg Lenny gengrumpy(at)aol.com wrote: > > > > > Can't wait for the first user evaluation of the iPad and the > > free .pdf approach plates from pdfplates.com! > > > > This just might be the solution many of us are waiting for! > > > > grumpy > > > > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292889#292889 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick" <ricksked(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: CHP Stick Grips... company change
Date: Apr 03, 2010
Jae, I have the CH, now Tosten grips. They work fine and mine just brush the switches and CB's on the panel at full forward. I cut the sticks a low as they would go to install the grips. FWIW, nothing against them but on my next aircraft I'm using the Infinity grips and modify the stick to allow them to not hit the panel. Reason? They just feel nicer to me and the switches have a more tactile feel and are less apt to be inadvertently actuated, my 2 cents as always, Rick Sked N246RS coming close to the magical 100 hours -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jchang10 Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 8:34 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: CHP Stick Grips... company change It seems like quite a few people have the Tosten grips in their -10's. Can anyone flying with one of these grips, address whether the forward sweep on the grip is an issue as far as panel interference goes? With that forward sweep, clearly, you get less forward distance until hitting the panel. I'm just not sure if that is a practical concern at all when everything is finally rigged and tested. Thanks! Jae Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292867#292867 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: CI-122 Template
Date: Apr 04, 2010
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
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Date: Apr 04, 2010
Subject: Re: CI-122 Template
From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
A Google search of "Comant CI-122" returns this<http://www.comant.com/Uploads/technicalsheets/pp_CI_122712.pdf>as the forth listing. http://www.comant.com/Uploads/technicalsheets/pp_CI_122712.pdf -- William N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Perry, Phil wrote: > Does anyone have the dimensions or a template for the Comant CI-122 > doubler? > > I'd like to go ahead and put the doubler on the belly and pull the coax > while I have decent access. > > Thanks, > Phil > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 04, 2010
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Subject: Re: CHP Stick Grips... company change
Rick... thanks. this is the first I have heard of a preference for the Infinity grips for this reason. Also, it does look like the Infinity grips have a similar amount of forward sweep on them as to the Tostens. Thanks for all the other responses. Initially, I wanted to avoid all this trouble by going with the Ray Allen grips, which seeemed nice and simple enough for me. However, i just did not like stand the individual trim buttons instead of a hat switch. I emailed Ray Allen about switching out for a hat switch, but they replied negative on that request. Always somethin... I did find Robin's old post about how he increased the bend angle in the stick here. It does seem simple enough. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=59431&highlight=infinity+control+stick+robin Now to investigate Rick's issue. ;) Jae Rick wrote: > > Jae, > > I have the CH, now Tosten grips. They work fine and mine just brush the > switches and CB's on the panel at full forward. I cut the sticks a low as > they would go to install the grips. FWIW, nothing against them but on my > next aircraft I'm using the Infinity grips and modify the stick to allow > them to not hit the panel. Reason? They just feel nicer to me and the > switches have a more tactile feel and are less apt to be inadvertently > actuated, my 2 cents as always, > > Rick Sked > N246RS coming close to the magical 100 hours > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: CI-122 Template
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: Apr 04, 2010
Just food for thought, but I know some folks make their antenna doublers larger than just the antenna base plate and add flanges either by bending or riveting on angle. The purpose of the flange(s) is to be able to tie the doubler into some structure (ie a rib, frame, or stiffener) other than just the skin. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292960#292960 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 04, 2010
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: CHP Stick Grips... company change
It appears that the Tostens can be setup so they can rotate freely while in operation. For example, rotating enough so that it can be fully gripped with the left or right hand. Can anyone comment? I've handled both grips but haven't flown with either. I preferred the Tostens due to fewer switches and a more pleasing fit and feel. But again, I haven't flown either of them. Bill "working on pants for his third leg" Watson Jae Chang wrote: > > Rick... thanks. this is the first I have heard of a preference for the > Infinity grips for this reason. Also, it does look like the Infinity > grips have a similar amount of forward sweep on them as to the Tostens. > > Thanks for all the other responses. Initially, I wanted to avoid all > this trouble by going with the Ray Allen grips, which seeemed nice and > simple enough for me. However, i just did not like stand the > individual trim buttons instead of a hat switch. I emailed Ray Allen > about switching out for a hat switch, but they replied negative on > that request. Always somethin... > > I did find Robin's old post about how he increased the bend angle in > the stick here. It does seem simple enough. > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=59431&highlight=infinity+control+stick+robin > > > Now to investigate Rick's issue. ;) > Jae > > Rick wrote: >> >> Jae, >> >> I have the CH, now Tosten grips. They work fine and mine just brush the >> switches and CB's on the panel at full forward. I cut the sticks a >> low as >> they would go to install the grips. FWIW, nothing against them but on my >> next aircraft I'm using the Infinity grips and modify the stick to allow >> them to not hit the panel. Reason? They just feel nicer to me and the >> switches have a more tactile feel and are less apt to be inadvertently >> actuated, my 2 cents as always, >> >> Rick Sked >> N246RS coming close to the magical 100 hours >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 04, 2010
Subject: NavWorx ADS-B transceiver
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
NavWorx Developing ADS-B Transceiver For GA Existing Receive-Only Units Will Be Eligible For Upgrades NavWorx is currently developing ADS-B transmitter capability, which will be offered as an upgrade option for current ADS600 owners and integrated into the ADS600-B transmit and receive unit. The company announced Wednesday that FCC approval of the transmitter is expected shortly. Current ADS600 units function as receive-only devices, however, can be upgraded for two-way communication. Two-way communication forms the foundation of the new NextGen air traffic control system called ADS-B, or Automatic Dependent Surveillance - Broadcast. The NavWorx ADS600 product line allows pilots to receive ADS-B signals including TIS-B traffic and FIS-B flight and weather information for display on a variety of devices. ADS-B signals are received from Air Traffic Control as well as other equipped aircraft. The new ADS600-B has the added capability of transmitting an aircraft's GPS-derived position, vector and speed. The benefits of ADS-B communications are improved air traffic safety and enhanced situational awareness for pilots. The NavWorx ADS600 line of products operate off an expanding network of ADS-B transmitters across the continental U.S., Gulf of Mexico, and Alaska. The NavWorx product line consists of the ADS600 and PADS600, both ADS-B receivers designed for certified, experimental, and light-sport aircraft Standard upgrade pricing will be $1,000.00. Customers who purchased the remote-mounted ADS600, or portable PADS600, can upgrade with the transmitter for $600.00 through April 18, 2010. ADS600-B pricing will be $2,495.00. Customers who purchase the remote-mounted ADS600-B can do so for $2,120.75 before April 18, 2010. A fully refundable payment is required at the time of purchase. NavWorx is also offering 40-percent off its transmitter upgrade for the company's ADS600 ADS-B traffic and weather receiver for a limited time, as well as a 15-percent discount on its forthcoming ADS600-B transceiver unit. This new unit will incorporate both transmit and receive capabilities. To take advantage of these limited-time discounts, customers must make their purchase prior to April 18, 2010. FMI: www.navworx.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 04, 2010
Subject: Re: CI-122 Template
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
IIRC doublers are supposed to be at least 50% larger surface area than the antenna they support. On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 11:32 AM, tsts4 wrote: > > Just food for thought, but I know some folks make their antenna doublers larger than just the antenna base plate and add flanges either by bending or riveting on angle. The purpose of the flange(s) is to be able to tie the doubler into some structure (ie a rib, frame, or stiffener) other than just the skin. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > 728TT (reserved) > RV-10 Empacone, Wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292960#292960 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: CHP Stick Grips... company change
Date: Apr 04, 2010
Bill, I have them and love them. I have them rotate and fits my hand perfectly. I did have to reform the stick to prevent them hitting the panel, but I have a Stein panel so don't know if they would hit the regular one. I too did not need or want all those extra switches. Gary Specketer -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: CHP Stick Grips... company change It appears that the Tostens can be setup so they can rotate freely while in operation. For example, rotating enough so that it can be fully gripped with the left or right hand. Can anyone comment? I've handled both grips but haven't flown with either. I preferred the Tostens due to fewer switches and a more pleasing fit and feel. But again, I haven't flown either of them. Bill "working on pants for his third leg" Watson Jae Chang wrote: > > Rick... thanks. this is the first I have heard of a preference for the > Infinity grips for this reason. Also, it does look like the Infinity > grips have a similar amount of forward sweep on them as to the Tostens. > > Thanks for all the other responses. Initially, I wanted to avoid all > this trouble by going with the Ray Allen grips, which seeemed nice and > simple enough for me. However, i just did not like stand the > individual trim buttons instead of a hat switch. I emailed Ray Allen > about switching out for a hat switch, but they replied negative on > that request. Always somethin... > > I did find Robin's old post about how he increased the bend angle in > the stick here. It does seem simple enough. > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=59431&highlight=infinity+control +stick+robin > > > Now to investigate Rick's issue. ;) > Jae > > Rick wrote: >> >> Jae, >> >> I have the CH, now Tosten grips. They work fine and mine just brush the >> switches and CB's on the panel at full forward. I cut the sticks a >> low as >> they would go to install the grips. FWIW, nothing against them but on my >> next aircraft I'm using the Infinity grips and modify the stick to allow >> them to not hit the panel. Reason? They just feel nicer to me and the >> switches have a more tactile feel and are less apt to be inadvertently >> actuated, my 2 cents as always, >> >> Rick Sked >> N246RS coming close to the magical 100 hours >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 04, 2010
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: CHP Stick Grips... company change
Hey Gary, glad to hear they can rotate. That seems like a neat feature. I have a Stein panel blank too and I had to do the bending of the stick to get it to clear but it seems to work in my pre-flight cockpit. I'm getting close.... Bill "the '10 flies in '10 Watson gary wrote: > > Bill, I have them and love them. I have them rotate and fits my hand > perfectly. I did have to reform the stick to prevent them hitting the > panel, but I have a Stein panel so don't know if they would hit the regular > one. I too did not need or want all those extra switches. > > Gary Specketer > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver > Watson > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 2:24 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: CHP Stick Grips... company change > > > > It appears that the Tostens can be setup so they can rotate freely while > in operation. For example, rotating enough so that it can be fully > gripped with the left or right hand. Can anyone comment? > > I've handled both grips but haven't flown with either. I preferred the > Tostens due to fewer switches and a more pleasing fit and feel. But > again, I haven't flown either of them. > > Bill "working on pants for his third leg" Watson > > Jae Chang wrote: > >> >> Rick... thanks. this is the first I have heard of a preference for the >> Infinity grips for this reason. Also, it does look like the Infinity >> grips have a similar amount of forward sweep on them as to the Tostens. >> >> Thanks for all the other responses. Initially, I wanted to avoid all >> this trouble by going with the Ray Allen grips, which seeemed nice and >> simple enough for me. However, i just did not like stand the >> individual trim buttons instead of a hat switch. I emailed Ray Allen >> about switching out for a hat switch, but they replied negative on >> that request. Always somethin... >> >> I did find Robin's old post about how he increased the bend angle in >> the stick here. It does seem simple enough. >> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=59431&highlight=infinity+control > +stick+robin > >> Now to investigate Rick's issue. ;) >> Jae >> >> Rick wrote: >> >>> >>> Jae, >>> >>> I have the CH, now Tosten grips. They work fine and mine just brush the >>> switches and CB's on the panel at full forward. I cut the sticks a >>> low as >>> they would go to install the grips. FWIW, nothing against them but on my >>> next aircraft I'm using the Infinity grips and modify the stick to allow >>> them to not hit the panel. Reason? They just feel nicer to me and the >>> switches have a more tactile feel and are less apt to be inadvertently >>> actuated, my 2 cents as always, >>> >>> Rick Sked >>> N246RS coming close to the magical 100 hours >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: tank question
Date: Apr 04, 2010
Are the holes for the T-1012 Zee attachment to the spar pre drilled? What is the distance between the aft tank baffle and the main spar? I see T-1004 mentioned in the plans but can't find T-1004 on the Vans site parts list? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FW: It was warm yesterday, but that's ridiculous!
Date: Apr 05, 2010
From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
(attached) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FW: It was warm yesterday, but that's ridiculous!
Date: Apr 05, 2010
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Tell us that's a monumental first engine start and the bending is only the result of a spinning prop...... Please.... -----Original Message----- From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy [mailto:tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:13 AM Subject: RV10-List: FW: It was warm yesterday, but that's ridiculous! (attached) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Stella" <Sstella(at)incisaledge.com>
Subject: FW: It was warm yesterday, but that's ridiculous!
Date: Apr 05, 2010
Tim, I think that's going to delay your first flight:) Steve Stella #40654 Wings N521RV -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:13 PM Subject: RV10-List: FW: It was warm yesterday, but that's ridiculous! (attached) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FW: It was warm yesterday, but that's ridiculous!
Date: Apr 05, 2010
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Looks like the core shafts on those props were a low density polyethylene. Goes plastic above 275 degrees. That was one HOT day. Thanks for the picture. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:13 AM Subject: RV10-List: FW: It was warm yesterday, but that's ridiculous! (attached) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: It was warm yesterday, but that's ridiculous!
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 05, 2010
I guess those internet specials aren't such a great deal after all. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293071#293071 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 05, 2010
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: FW: It was warm yesterday, but that's ridiculous!
What's up with you? Don't ever hear anything from John Jessen, looks like the NW RV10 builders group has gone dormant. Just got my medical back and no further restrictions due to the amnesia episode, but I've got a Thyroid issue so the kept me on a special issuance, but the local AME can approve annually for the next 6 years. Just finished my 1st annual cond inspection. Nothing noteworthy found. flipped the tires and changed the brakes a month ago. I've been through 5 variations of nozzle tuning. and the last one made it slightly worse, I installed the turbo nozzels and rails and that had a major improvement, http://deemsrv10.com/album/LOP%20Turbo%20Nossels/index.html I can run LOP @ altitude now down to 11.5 gph befor some unevenness. I was able to get into the 10's previously. I've decided not to go any further until I relocate the fuel flow transducer from the tunnel to between the servo and the spider. another complication is that Don had me go w/ .024 restrictors in order to eliminate the fuel boiling in the lines during ground ops. unfortunately he doesn't make an .0235 restrictor. So I think I'm going to bump them all up to.025 and start over. Just made a trip to So Cal last weekend, and then yesterday, I ran Patrick back up to Provo. Moderate Turb the majority of the route. not a comfortable flight! Hope you had a Happy Easter. Deems On 4/5/2010 10:11 AM, John Cox wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cox" > > Looks like the core shafts on those props were a low density > polyethylene. Goes plastic above 275 degrees. That was one HOT day. > > Thanks for the picture. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Dawson-Townsend,Timothy > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:13 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: FW: It was warm yesterday, but that's ridiculous! > > (attached) > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 05, 2010
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: FW: It was warm yesterday, but that's ridiculous! OOPS
!!! OOPs !!!! Boy do I feel stupid :-[ Forgot to change the address to John Cox. Hope you all had a Happy Easter anyway! Deems On 4/5/2010 12:43 PM, Deems Davis wrote: > What's up with you? Don't ever hear anything from John Jessen, looks > like the NW RV10 builders group has gone dormant. Just got my medical > back and no further restrictions due to the amnesia episode, but I've > got a Thyroid issue so the kept me on a special issuance, but the > local AME can approve annually for the next 6 years. Just finished my > 1st annual cond inspection. Nothing noteworthy found. flipped the > tires and changed the brakes a month ago. I've been through 5 > variations of nozzle tuning. and the last one made it slightly worse, > I installed the turbo nozzels and rails and that had a major > improvement, > http://deemsrv10.com/album/LOP%20Turbo%20Nossels/index.html I can run > LOP @ altitude now down to 11.5 gph befor some unevenness. I was able > to get into the 10's previously. I've decided not to go any further > until I relocate the fuel flow transducer from the tunnel to between > the servo and the spider. another complication is that Don had me go > w/ .024 restrictors in order to eliminate the fuel boiling in the > lines during ground ops. unfortunately he doesn't make an .0235 > restrictor. So I think I'm going to bump them all up to.025 and start > over. Just made a trip to So Cal last weekend, and then yesterday, I > ran Patrick back up to Provo. Moderate Turb the majority of the route. > not a comfortable flight! > > Hope you had a Happy Easter. > > Deems > > On 4/5/2010 10:11 AM, John Cox wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cox" >> >> Looks like the core shafts on those props were a low density >> polyethylene. Goes plastic above 275 degrees. That was one HOT day. >> >> Thanks for the picture. >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> Dawson-Townsend,Timothy >> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:13 AM >> To:rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: FW: It was warm yesterday, but that's ridiculous! >> >> (attached) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Droopy prop - explained!
Date: Apr 05, 2010
From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
Regarding the earlier photo, apparently the innards of an iPhone camera scan the frame at a certain rate, and when your prop is rotating at a certain rate, it produces interesting effects! Tim Dawson-Townsend 40025 Flying in May? tdt(at)aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Droopy prop - explained!
From: "mouser" <mouser(at)mouser.org>
Date: Apr 05, 2010
I love taking shots like this. Here's a favorite of the genre (though not one of mine): http://www.flickr.com/photos/markconnell/279878153/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293092#293092 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: infinity grips-cutting notch in contol stick
From: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway(at)comcast.net>
Date: Apr 05, 2010
The infinity grip instructions call for cutting a 1/2" wide x 1.25" long slot in the back side of the actual control stick to allow the wire routing to clear around the lower boss fitting/ allen head screw of the grip. Essentially the same size cut as in the supplied spacer. I'm not real excited about cutting that much metal out of the control stick and would just like to confirm that this is what everyone has done. Also, if you did cut it, what did you use to cut the slot? Angle grinder? Thanks in advance, Tom Hanaway Boynton Beach, FL rv-10 building, building, building... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293114#293114 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: infinity grips-cutting notch in contol stick
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Apr 05, 2010
Tom, The Infinity grips wont fit unless you cut the slot. I drilled a hole to create the curve at the bottom of the slot, then cut the straight sides with a Dremel. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293115#293115 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Droopy prop - explained!
Date: Apr 05, 2010
Well, you can think what you want :-) I think there was too much horsepower and they just wouldn't stay straight! Here is another similar shot from a friends RV7. In this case, he dumped the Lyc and put a multi-blade fan prop on his! We're cruising about the legal 245 knots ;-) Bill S 7a almost there :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of mouser Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Droopy prop - explained! I love taking shots like this. Here's a favorite of the genre (though not one of mine): http://www.flickr.com/photos/markconnell/279878153/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293092#293092 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: tank question
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: Apr 05, 2010
> Are the holes for the T-1012 Zee attachment to the spar pre drilled? Yes, the spars are pre-drilled for the Z's > What is the distance between the aft tank baffle and the main spar? > Approx 1 5/8" -- the width of the attach Z's > I see T-1004 mentioned in the plans but can't find T-1004 on the Vans site parts list? Those are the interior tank ribs. At least that's how mine are labled which matches the plans. No clue as to why they don't show up on the list. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293132#293132 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: infinity grips-cutting notch in contol stick
Date: Apr 05, 2010
Didn't cut either of mine - a little more hassle getting the wires to stay out of the way while you're putting the grip halves together.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway(at)comcast.net> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:07 PM Subject: RV10-List: infinity grips-cutting notch in contol stick > > The infinity grip instructions call for cutting a 1/2" wide x 1.25" long > slot in the back side of the actual control stick to allow the wire > routing to clear around the lower boss fitting/ allen head screw of the > grip. Essentially the same size cut as in the supplied spacer. > > I'm not real excited about cutting that much metal out of the control > stick and would just like to confirm that this is what everyone has done. > > Also, if you did cut it, what did you use to cut the slot? Angle grinder? > > Thanks in advance, > Tom Hanaway > Boynton Beach, FL > rv-10 > > building, building, building... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293114#293114 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2010
Subject: William Curtis's web pages
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Is it just my motel internet connection, or are the photo's gone from these pages? Trying to formulate some plans for instrument panel, and William's proposed panels looked like an excellent starting point. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: William Curtis's web pages
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: Apr 06, 2010
I just went to his site and it looked OK, the photos all seemed to be there. Must be your connection. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293168#293168 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2010
Subject: Re: William Curtis's web pages
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Thanks. It will wait until I get home. Anyone done any comparisons of Dynon Skyview vs Garmin GX3? Looks similar in pricing to start, but haven't followed through with adding autopilot, and data update subscription differences. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:56 AM, tsts4 wrote: > > I just went to his site and it looked OK, the photos all seemed to be there. Must be your connection. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > 728TT (reserved) > RV-10 Empacone, Wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293168#293168 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Sean Strasburg" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: William Curtis's web pages
Date: Apr 06, 2010
Don't know much about the SkyView side but I have been mapping the G3X. I have two of the three screens with the LRU's on hand. I have the engine sensors on the way and will be adding third screen, 430w, sl 30, 330 transponder, ps9000 audio and a gts800 tcas. The autopilot is the new pilot gx from trutrak that can be controlled through the 375 or 370. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:01 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: William Curtis's web pages Thanks. It will wait until I get home. Anyone done any comparisons of Dynon Skyview vs Garmin GX3? Looks similar in pricing to start, but haven't followed through with adding autopilot, and data update subscription differences. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:56 AM, tsts4 wrote: > > I just went to his site and it looked OK, the photos all seemed to be > there. Must be your connection. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > 728TT (reserved) > RV-10 Empacone, Wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293168#293168 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: Re: William Curtis's web pages
Date: Apr 06, 2010
I compared costs of the 2 screen skyview vs 2 screen 3gx, by the time you add dual adhars, engine monitor, and an autopilot with similar functionallity, the Garmin is way more expensive. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Thanks. It will wait until I get home. Anyone done any comparisons of > Dynon Skyview vs Garmin GX3? Looks similar in pricing to start, but > haven't followed through with adding autopilot, and data update > subscription differences. > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:56 AM, tsts4 wrote: >> >> I just went to his site and it looked OK, the photos all seemed to >> be there. Must be your connection. >> >> -------- >> Todd Stovall >> 728TT (reserved) >> RV-10 Empacone, Wings >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293168#293168 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: infinity grips-cutting notch in contol stick
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Apr 06, 2010
I'm getting ready to do the exact same thing. I was hoping the spacer just "fit into the slot" with no stick cutting, but apparently not. To begin with, how much of the top of the stick do you have to remove? Leave a couple of inches for the spacer perhaps? John -------- #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293283#293283 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Apr 06, 2010
Flying a 10 into Johnson Creek will be a piece of cake. See the attached for comparison. McCall, ID is a short flight away and the usual stop for groceries, fuel, restaurant, and whatever else you need. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - FWF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293289#293289 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/782a_196.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: infinity grips-cutting notch in contol stick
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Apr 06, 2010
See the photos below. You should consider making the stick as short as possible to provide clearance from the instrument panel (freedom of movement). Cut the notch as directed, but be sure to "clock" them about 20-30 degrees inboard. This is to align your hand to the grip in the sitting position without cocking your wrist back. If you are careful you can route the wires thru the control column. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - FWF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293293#293293 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf8458_red_232.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/066_red_151.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/065a_615.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: infinity grips-cutting notch in contol stick
Date: Apr 06, 2010
When clocking the grips it is best to have the seat in the aircraft, position yourself the way you expect you'llfly than grasp the grip and move it around until comfortable, may be 5 degrees, may be 30 but it will vary from side to side so make sure you don't guess this. Also in my case once you put the blue harness through the hole it is pretty much not coming out again due to the curve(s) the harness does from the top , into the hole and down the stick. My stick is as low as it will go on the stick, does not hit the panel in a full nose dive configuration. Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:34 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: infinity grips-cutting notch in contol stick > > See the photos below. You should consider making the stick as short as > possible to provide clearance from the instrument panel (freedom of > movement). Cut the notch as directed, but be sure to "clock" them about > 20-30 degrees inboard. This is to align your hand to the grip in the > sitting position without cocking your wrist back. > > If you are careful you can route the wires thru the control column. > > -------- > Dave Moore > RV-6 flying > RV-10 QB - FWF > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293293#293293 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf8458_red_232.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/066_red_151.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/065a_615.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2010
From: <ricksked(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: infinity grips-cutting notch in contol stick
FWIW, I don't recommend running the harness from any stick grip through the tube of the stick, secure it to the outside of the stick. I had a intermittent co-pilot PTT, had the wire been run on the outside it would have been much easier to troubleshoot, find and fix. Moving forward on the next build that's what I'm doing. Lesson learned from experience, if you want to hide it Abby makes a nice stick boot/cover to take care of that. Oh, for you inquring minds, it was a piss-poor strip, followed by a piss-poor crimp..only worked on the ground, failed in the air unless you put the stick in what would have resulted in an outside inverted snap roll...I choose to have the button not work in lieu of that maneuver. :) Rick S. N246RS ---- Pascal wrote: > > When clocking the grips it is best to have the seat in the aircraft, > position yourself the way you expect you'llfly than grasp the grip and move > it around until comfortable, may be 5 degrees, may be 30 but it will vary > from side to side so make sure you don't guess this. > Also in my case once you put the blue harness through the hole it is pretty > much not coming out again due to the curve(s) the harness does from the top > , into the hole and down the stick. > My stick is as low as it will go on the stick, does not hit the panel in a > full nose dive configuration. > Pascal > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 7:34 PM > To: > Subject: RV10-List: Re: infinity grips-cutting notch in contol stick > > > > > See the photos below. You should consider making the stick as short as > > possible to provide clearance from the instrument panel (freedom of > > movement). Cut the notch as directed, but be sure to "clock" them about > > 20-30 degrees inboard. This is to align your hand to the grip in the > > sitting position without cocking your wrist back. > > > > If you are careful you can route the wires thru the control column. > > > > -------- > > Dave Moore > > RV-6 flying > > RV-10 QB - FWF > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293293#293293 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf8458_red_232.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/066_red_151.jpg > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/065a_615.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Thermozite in the Tunnel...
Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
For those of you who are wanting to use Thermozite in the tunnel, you should watch this video I shot last night. Thermozite is the material that is sold by Flight line Interiors as an insulator. I think it would be a great insulator in the right application such as under carpet, etc... But it's certainly a terrible choice to put in the tunnel (unless you like to roast marshmallows or choke on fumes.) J http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4mG7qAGdBc At this point, I'll probably not insulate the inside of the tunnel at all. I'll probably insulate the forward side of the firewall and/or simply firesleeve the fuel lines in the tunnel. I do like the idea of the extinguisher under the cowl though. As long as those heater vents are close (or not warped) when you mash the big red button. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Thermozite in the Tunnel...
Good video Phil but doesn't surprise me much. I don't believe it is intend ed to withstand the heat from a fuel fed fire, just to block radiant heat. I've been considering using either the HeatShield Mat or Lava Mat from Hea tShield products. The latter can withstand 1100 degrees of direct heat. http://heatshieldproducts.com/heat_shield_mat.php Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: Thermozite in the Tunnel... For those of you who are wanting to use Thermozite in the tunnel, you shoul d watch this video I shot last night. Thermozite is the material that is sold by Flight line Interiors as an insu lator. I think it would be a great insulator in the right application such as under carpet, etc... But it's certainly a terrible choice to put in th e tunnel (unless you like to roast marshmallows or choke on fumes.) :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4mG7qAGdBc At this point, I'll probably not insulate the inside of the tunnel at all. I'll probably insulate the forward side of the firewall and/or simply fire sleeve the fuel lines in the tunnel. I do like the idea of the extinguisher under the cowl though. As long as t hose heater vents are close (or not warped) when you mash the big red butto n. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel...
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Well IMO, if you've got a fuel fire in the tunnel, the composition of any insulation in there is the least of your worries. I don't see why putting that stuff in the tunnel would really be any worse than any other place inside the cabin as leaking fuel could easily spread under the seats/floorboards/carpet, etc. Totally agree that it would be a bad choice for the engine side of the firewall. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293383#293383 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel...
Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
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Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel...
From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
Me thinks if you use this or any insulator to reduce or contain ambient hea t in the tunnel or cabin side of the firewall, you are probably OK. If however you have to contend with multi thousand degree heat on the tunnel o r firewall for any sustained period, you have MUCH bigger concerns--primary o f which is to get the plane down and out of it. You don't care what happens after because the insurance company now owns it. Many planes have been flying around with nothing on the firewall. Most anything is better than nothing, but you also don't need to line your tunne l or firewall with space shuttle heat tiles or equivalent. -- William N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Perry, Phil wrote: > For those of you who are wanting to use Thermozite in the tunnel, you > should watch this video I shot last night. > > > Thermozite is the material that is sold by Flight line Interiors as an > insulator. I think it would be a great insulator in the right applicatio n > such as under carpet, etc=85 But it=92s certainly a terrible choice to p ut in > the tunnel (unless you like to roast marshmallows or choke on fumes.) J > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4mG7qAGdBc > > > At this point, I=92ll probably not insulate the inside of the tunnel at a ll. > I=92ll probably insulate the forward side of the firewall and/or simply > firesleeve the fuel lines in the tunnel. > > > I do like the idea of the extinguisher under the cowl though. As long as > those heater vents are close (or not warped) when you mash the big red > button. > > > Phil > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel...
Date: Apr 07, 2010
For those concerned about fire, you should consider a fire bottle. Mine does not, but could be plumbed into the tunnel also. Mine will flood the engine compartment and aft of the baffles with 15 pounds of Halon gas. First order of business is fuel selector to OFF and pull the pin and push the fire handle. For carbureted engines plumb a line into the carburetor air intake. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:46 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel... It's a lousy choice for the interior side too. What was demonstrated was a fuel fire on the forward side and the radiated heat caught the interior insulation on fire. The stainless firewall will do great blocking flames, but its a great material for conducting heat straight through to the other side. The concept is that it doesn't make sense to put a flammable item on the aft side of the firewall. If you have a fire on the engine side, you'll have a fire on the interior side too and your firewall is worthless at that point. I've seen Thermozite insulating many tunnels and it's something everyone needs to think about. Its pretty lousy for any fire related protection. It needs to be used as a light weight thermal barrier only. Anything else is playing with fire. :) Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: tsts4 <tsts4(at)verizon.net> Sent: Wed Apr 07 12:14:07 2010 Subject: RV10-List: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel... Well IMO, if you've got a fuel fire in the tunnel, the composition of any insulation in there is the least of your worries. I don't see why putting that stuff in the tunnel would really be any worse than any other place inside the cabin as leaking fuel could easily spread under the seats/floorboards/carpet, etc. Totally agree that it would be a bad choice for the engine side of the firewall. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293383#293383 =EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,=03g=EF=BD=EF=BD ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel...
Date: Apr 07, 2010
_____ From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:19 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel... For those concerned about fire, you should consider a fire bottle. Mine does not, but could be plumbed into the tunnel also. Mine will flood the engine compartment and aft of the baffles with 15 pounds of Halon gas. First order of business is fuel selector to OFF and pull the pin and push the fire handle. For carbureted engines plumb a line into the carburetor air intake. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:46 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel... It's a lousy choice for the interior side too. What was demonstrated was a fuel fire on the forward side and the radiated heat caught the interior insulation on fire. The stainless firewall will do great blocking flames, but its a great material for conducting heat straight through to the other side. The concept is that it doesn't make sense to put a flammable item on the aft side of the firewall. If you have a fire on the engine side, you'll have a fire on the interior side too and your firewall is worthless at that point. I've seen Thermozite insulating many tunnels and it's something everyone needs to think about. Its pretty lousy for any fire related protection. It needs to be used as a light weight thermal barrier only. Anything else is playing with fire. :) Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: tsts4 <tsts4(at)verizon.net> Sent: Wed Apr 07 12:14:07 2010 Subject: RV10-List: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel... Well IMO, if you've got a fuel fire in the tunnel, the composition of any insulation in there is the least of your worries. I don't see why putting that stuff in the tunnel would really be any worse than any other place inside the cabin as leaking fuel could easily spread under the seats/floorboards/carpet, etc. Totally agree that it would be a bad choice for the engine side of the firewall. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293383#293383 =EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,=03g=EF=BD=EF=BD ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel...
Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
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Date: Apr 07, 2010
From: PJ Seipel <seipel(at)seznam.cz>
Subject: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel...
I'll play devil's advocate here on one aspect of your test. No argument that a fuel fed fire is probably going to cause the insulation to break down and produce fumes; at that point, so is the melting wiring in your panel, your seats, and anything else that's getting that hot. I would argue that it might not have been the radiant heat that caused it to catch fire, however, but the fumes that drifted around the sides of your tiny piece of aluminum and right into the giant flame on your torch. You might (or might not) see a different result with a much larger piece of aluminum such that the fumes are not drifting directly into the ignition source. PJ Seipel RV-10 #40032 On 4/7/2010 3:46 PM, Perry, Phil wrote: > It's a lousy choice for the interior side too. What was demonstrated > was a fuel fire on the forward side and the radiated heat caught the > interior insulation on fire. > > The stainless firewall will do great blocking flames, but its a great > material for conducting heat straight through to the other side. > > The concept is that it doesn't make sense to put a flammable item on the > aft side of the firewall. If you have a fire on the engine side, you'll > have a fire on the interior side too and your firewall is worthless at > that point. > > I've seen Thermozite insulating many tunnels and it's something everyone > needs to think about. > > Its pretty lousy for any fire related protection. It needs to be used as > a light weight thermal barrier only. Anything else is playing with fire. :) > > Phil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tsts4 <tsts4(at)verizon.net> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wed Apr 07 12:14:07 2010 > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel... > > > Well IMO, if you've got a fuel fire in the tunnel, the composition of > any insulation in there is the least of your worries. I don't see why > putting that stuff in the tunnel would really be any worse than any > other place inside the cabin as leaking fuel could easily spread under > the seats/floorboards/carpet, etc. Totally agree that it would be a bad > choice for the engine side of the firewall. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > 728TT (reserved) > RV-10 Empacone, Wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293383#293383 > > > ~,gM4Gqz.'8E]t.+-fZ+`axr^jzZ(j|n)b'!j'+ry'C > { > ,x(ZP!jrrj|-&j',r5hum > 'ojj+E]t.+-08IaT1 > jgrz{Zi^&lZ+ky+k&j',r+k&j',rhB{ky.+jY^.+-i0fr((nbxm-&j',rr&*''k{w/tml ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel...
Date: Apr 07, 2010
I think a person will know about the fire in the engine compartment (engine instruments) before anything starts melting out there. If you get smoke in the heat ducts close them, shut off the fuel and fire the bottle. Most Halon will be expended in the engine compartment. The sprayers can be tailored for flow. Certainly Halon is not something to breath but a little beats a lot of smoke and CO. I don't have the statistics but I believe that cabin fires are usually started by smokers or electrical shorts. Engine fires are fuel fed forward of the firewall. On that basis I do not allow smoking in the aircraft; all appliances are on individual breakers to quickly shutoff power to a failed circuit. and a fire bottle can be used to cool and snuff out an engine fire. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:58 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel... Hey David, What about the heater boxes? Having halon in the cabin (or tunnel) concerns me. I'd like to put one in, but just want to make sure I understand the risks before making a decision. Phil _____ From: DLM <dlm46007(at)cox.net> Sent: Wed Apr 07 13:32:06 2010 Subject: FW: RV10-List: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel... _____ From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:19 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel... For those concerned about fire, you should consider a fire bottle. Mine does not, but could be plumbed into the tunnel also. Mine will flood the engine compartment and aft of the baffles with 15 pounds of Halon gas. First order of business is fuel selector to OFF and pull the pin and push the fire handle. For carbureted engines plumb a line into the carburetor air intake. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:46 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel... It's a lousy choice for the interior side too. What was demonstrated was a fuel fire on the forward side and the radiated heat caught the interior insulation on fire. The stainless firewall will do great blocking flames, but its a great material for conducting heat straight through to the other side. The concept is that it doesn't make sense to put a flammable item on the aft side of the firewall. If you have a fire on the engine side, you'll have a fire on the interior side too and your firewall is worthless at that point. I've seen Thermozite insulating many tunnels and it's something everyone needs to think about. Its pretty lousy for any fire related protection. It needs to be used as a light weight thermal barrier only. Anything else is playing with fire. :) Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: tsts4 <tsts4(at)verizon.net> Sent: Wed Apr 07 12:14:07 2010 Subject: RV10-List: Re: Thermozite in the Tunnel... Well IMO, if you've got a fuel fire in the tunnel, the composition of any insulation in there is the least of your worries. I don't see why putting that stuff in the tunnel would really be any worse than any other place inside the cabin as leaking fuel could easily spread under the seats/floorboards/carpet, etc. Totally agree that it would be a bad choice for the engine side of the firewall. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293383#293383 http://www.matronicp; the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================ =EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,=03g=EF=BD=EF=BD =EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD,=03g=EF=BD=EF=BD ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Subject: Before mounting engine
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm almost afraid to touch it. Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there anything else I should do before that? Seems like access will actually be pretty good after it's mounted. Thanks... -Rob -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Before mounting engine
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Hey Rob, I agree, that new engine that costs more than a lot of complete cars, is very impressive! We used an engine leveler on the engine jack and marked the links on the chains to the mounting ears so that once the engine mount was on the firewall and the fit was good, we could duplicate the engine on/off procedure very easily. Then, as with everything else on this project, when you do and re-do, it's not a big deal. I.e., after all the cowl/prop measuring and fitting, it was easier to remove the engine and replace it with two 5 gal. jugs of water for counter wt. for painting and firewall wiring etc. Once you plan all your firewall forward plumbing and wiring, it is MUCH easier to run your cables to the heater vents, for example, with the engine off. Think about parking brakes, brake resevoir, heat shield, other stuff you might want to rivet on to the firewall. Again, with the ease of temporarily installing the engine, don't think of it as "once it's on, it's on for good". Maybe (hopefully) you've already done your wiring/panel layout and construction, but I did not like the tight fit of the battery cable through the firewall where Van's shows it, and went with the bigger insulated bulkhead connector as in William Curtis's site (http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/90Electrical/EL1h.html). That also gives you cabin side direct access to battery +. I wouldn't even punch that hole in the firewall where the instructions say. And don't forget the diodes across the master, and starter solonoids, as seen in his pictures. I'm sure there's lots more, but that's starters off the top of my head. Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Kochman" <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:39 AM Subject: RV10-List: Before mounting engine > > My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm > almost afraid to touch it. Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and > am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there > anything else I should do before that? Seems like access will > actually be pretty good after it's mounted. > > Thanks... > > -Rob > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > http://kochman.net/N819K > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fuel Pump/Filter
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Looking on Vans site, they sell the ES Airflow pumps and filters for the 320-360's, but I don't see anything that's specific to the 540. http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1270747858-60-69& b rowse=engines&product=fi-install Is the 320-360 pump and filter the same as the one for the 540? Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Before mounting engine
I would just comment that while the engine is easy on/off, it isn't with the prop attached. So if you mount the engine (easy), and mount the prop (easy), I strongly suggest removing the prop (easy) before removing the engine (easy. If you do as I did and remove the engine with the prop in place (easy), it's a lot of fun trying put the (##%&#$%@$#%) combination back on. Then you end up removing the prop from the unmounted engine (less than fun) before remounting. Bill "remembering that the HF load leveler should never be used on aircraft engines, HA HA" Watson Rob Kochman wrote: > > My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm > almost afraid to touch it. Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and > am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there > anything else I should do before that? Seems like access will > actually be pretty good after it's mounted. > > Thanks... > > -Rob > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump/Filter
Date: Apr 08, 2010
If it's for an injected engine, then it should be the same. The part numbers should be "ES Airflow Filter" and ES Airflow Fuel Pump" which is needed for the IO-540. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Apr 8, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Perry, Phil wrote: > Looking on Vans site, they sell the ES Airflow pumps and filters for the 320-360=92s, but I don=92t see anything that=92s specific to the 540. > > http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1270747858-60-69&b rowse=engines&product=fi-install > > Is the 320-360 pump and filter the same as the one for the 540? > > Phil > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fuel Pump/Filter
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Thanks Jesse... I'm breaking out the check book again... J Phil From: Jesse Saint [mailto:jesse(at)saintaviation.com] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 1:04 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Pump/Filter If it's for an injected engine, then it should be the same. The part numbers should be "ES Airflow Filter" and ES Airflow Fuel Pump" which is needed for the IO-540. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Apr 8, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Perry, Phil wrote: Looking on Vans site, they sell the ES Airflow pumps and filters for the 320-360's, but I don't see anything that's specific to the 540. http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1270747858-60-69& b rowse=engines&product=fi-install Is the 320-360 pump and filter the same as the one for the 540? Phil style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Subject: Re: Before mounting engine
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
Thanks, guys... I'm currently planning on borrowing an engine hoist for a few days, mounting the engine, and not taking it off again. Am I kidding myself? Anyone have success with this? -Rob On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson < MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote: > MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> > > I would just comment that while the engine is easy on/off, it isn't with > the prop attached. So if you mount the engine (easy), and mount the prop > (easy), I strongly suggest removing the prop (easy) before removing the > engine (easy. > > If you do as I did and remove the engine with the prop in place (easy), > it's a lot of fun trying put the (##%&#$%@$#%) combination back on. Then > you end up removing the prop from the unmounted engine (less than fun) > before remounting. > Bill "remembering that the HF load leveler should never be used on aircraft > engines, HA HA" Watson > > > Rob Kochman wrote: > >> >> My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm >> almost afraid to touch it. Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and >> am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there >> anything else I should do before that? Seems like access will >> actually be pretty good after it's mounted. >> >> Thanks... >> >> -Rob >> >> >> > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Before mounting engine
Date: Apr 08, 2010
yes but have the wiring, cables, etc run through the firewall first _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:18 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Before mounting engine Thanks, guys... I'm currently planning on borrowing an engine hoist for a few days, mounting the engine, and not taking it off again. Am I kidding myself? Anyone have success with this? -Rob On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: I would just comment that while the engine is easy on/off, it isn't with the prop attached. So if you mount the engine (easy), and mount the prop (easy), I strongly suggest removing the prop (easy) before removing the engine (easy. If you do as I did and remove the engine with the prop in place (easy), it's a lot of fun trying put the (##%&#$%@$#%) combination back on. Then you end up removing the prop from the unmounted engine (less than fun) before remounting. Bill "remembering that the HF load leveler should never be used on aircraft engines, HA HA" Watson Rob Kochman wrote: My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm almost afraid to touch it. Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there anything else I should do before that? Seems like access will actually be pretty good after it's mounted. Thanks... -Rob scription, www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: <ricksked(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Before mounting engine
Hung mine once and didn't have any problems finishing the rest of the aircraft. Rick S. N246RS ---- Rob Kochman wrote: > Thanks, guys... I'm currently planning on borrowing an engine hoist for a > few days, mounting the engine, and not taking it off again. Am I kidding > myself? Anyone have success with this? > > -Rob > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson < > MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote: > > > MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> > > > > I would just comment that while the engine is easy on/off, it isn't with > > the prop attached. So if you mount the engine (easy), and mount the prop > > (easy), I strongly suggest removing the prop (easy) before removing the > > engine (easy. > > > > If you do as I did and remove the engine with the prop in place (easy), > > it's a lot of fun trying put the (##%&#$%@$#%) combination back on. Then > > you end up removing the prop from the unmounted engine (less than fun) > > before remounting. > > Bill "remembering that the HF load leveler should never be used on aircraft > > engines, HA HA" Watson > > > > > > Rob Kochman wrote: > > > >> > >> My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm > >> almost afraid to touch it. Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and > >> am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there > >> anything else I should do before that? Seems like access will > >> actually be pretty good after it's mounted. > >> > >> Thanks... > >> > >> -Rob > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: Re: Before mounting engine
Date: Apr 08, 2010
I mounted the engine 1 time for good and never removed it. Probably want to have the oil cooler mount riveted to the firewall, along with the heater valves installed and sealed (of you want the stainless steel ones, mow is the time to decide!) Also, i'd suggest installing a cooling shroud on the mechanical fuel pump and be sure all the oil line fittings are properly installed on the engine and pointing the correct way. Those are harder to get to after the engine is mounted. -Mike Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > Thanks, guys... I'm currently planning on borrowing an engine hoist > for a few days, mounting the engine, and not taking it off again. > Am I kidding myself? Anyone have success with this? > > -Rob > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson > wrote: > > > > I would just comment that while the engine is easy on/off, it isn't > with the prop attached. So if you mount the engine (easy), and > mount the prop (easy), I strongly suggest removing the prop (easy) > before removing the engine (easy. > > If you do as I did and remove the engine with the prop in place > (easy), it's a lot of fun trying put the (##%&#$%@$#%) combination > back on. Then you end up removing the prop from the unmounted > engine (less than fun) before remounting. > Bill "remembering that the HF load leveler should never be used on > aircraft engines, HA HA" Watson > > > Rob Kochman wrote: > > My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm > almost afraid to touch it. Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and > am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there > anything else I should do before that? Seems like access will > actually be pretty good after it's mounted. > > Thanks... > > -Rob > > > scription, > www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > http://kochman.net/N819K > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Before mounting engine
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Here's a slightly different engine mount.... -------- #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293558#293558 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv10ls1_706.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Before mounting engine
Also make sure you install the divider inside the oil cooler box before eng ine mounting-and before installing oil cooler. Don --- On Thu, 4/8/10, DLM wrote: From: DLM <dlm46007(at)cox.net> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Before mounting engine Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 1:01 PM yes but have the wiring, cables, etc -run through the firewall first From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:18 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Before mounting engine Thanks, guys... I'm currently planning on borrowing an engine hoist for a f ew days, mounting the engine, and not taking it off again.- Am I kidding myself?- Anyone have success with this? - -Rob On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: .com> I would just comment that while the engine is easy on/off, it isn't with th e prop attached. -So if you mount the engine (easy), and mount the prop ( easy), I strongly suggest removing the prop (easy) before removing the engi ne (easy. If you do as I did and remove the engine with the prop in place (easy), it' s a lot of fun trying put the (##%&#$%@$#%) combination back on. -Then yo u end up removing the prop from the unmounted engine (less than fun) before remounting. Bill "remembering that the HF load leveler should never be used on aircraft engines, HA HA" Watson Rob Kochman wrote: My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm almost afraid to touch it. -Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there anything else I should do before that? -Seems like access will actually be pretty good after it's mounted. Thanks... -Rob - scription, www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?RV10-List ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Before mounting engine
From: "Ron B." <cfxoa(at)klis.com>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Is a cooling shroud on the mechanical fuel pump standard practice? If so I missed that one. Ron Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293574#293574 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: To Magento - Or Not To Magento
I would really appreciate your thoughts regarding the installation of a dua l Plasma III ignition system with crankshaft sensor on the IO-540 engine. - Would this negate the need to install a magneto system?=0A=0AWhat is th e reliability of electronic ignition systems when fitted to aircraft engine s?=0A=0AAdditionally what are the general thoughts regrading the use of 9:1 high compression pistons on IO-540 engines please?=0A=0AYour thoughts woul d be appreciated to enlighten the uninitiated.=0A=0AMany thanks in anticipa tion.=0A=0ARegards=0A=0APatrick Pulis=0AAdelaide, South Australia=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Subject: Re: Before mounting engine
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Gee whiz. Where is the fun in that? Remember, the building, and rebuilding, etc. is where it is at. You are supposed to assemble and disassemble every part on the plane at LEAST 3 times, or you can't have done it right! This flying thingy is just a diversion between projects. I can think of several folks on this list that are repeat offenders, and I even know of one RV-10 builder that also built a couple two place RVs and now is working on his second RV-10....and no, it isn't to assist someone or build and sell, as far as I know. I'm sure if an engine hoist can be borrowed once, it can be borrowed again. Or, Pep Boys, HF, etc often have hoists on sale for around $120....less cost than your first flight. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: > I mounted the engine 1 time for good and never removed it. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Subject: Re: To Magento - Or Not To Magento
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
9:00 to one pistons....if you are trying for better economy, perhaps...but I would put a MP limit of perhaps 28" MP if you use them at sea level std or colder conditions. 100LL is going to disappear, we just don't know how quickly. Stock pistons of 8.5 to 1 are certified to run on 91/96 fuel, and most any unleaded avgas replacement will certainly meet that requirement. As to dual electronic.....does it matter whether there is 99% reliability or 99.994% reliability? Do you want to risk that 1% or .006%? Will 2 totally independent electrical systems be 100% reliable? Your choice of what risks you want. Are magnetos 100% reliable? Obviously not or someone would design a cylinder to have a single plug optimally located. Certainly 2 electronic systems are very reliable as long as they both have sufficient electrons to drive the electronics. My question is whether the benefits of a single Plasma III are worth the cost and effort to have 2 different systems. Certainly there is better cruise economy in theory, but no difference at full power. If magneto equipped with Slick Start there should be no difference in starting, so are the cruise benefits worth the trouble and cost? On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > I would really appreciate your thoughts regarding the installation of a dual > Plasma III ignition system with crankshaft sensor on the IO-540 engine. > Would this negate the need to install a magneto system? > > What is the reliability of electronic ignition systems when fitted to > aircraft engines? > > Additionally what are the general thoughts regrading the use of 9:1 high > compression pistons on IO-540 engines please? > > Your thoughts would be appreciated to enlighten the uninitiated. > > Many thanks in anticipation. > > Regards > > Patrick Pulis > Adelaide, South Australia > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: To Magento - Or Not To Magento
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
I have one and one. Left is an impulse mag powering the bottom plugs. The right is a P III on my IO-540 powering the upper plugs. My 2 cents, I like the split, I feel I am getting most all the advantages of the electronic ignition (single vs dual electronic) and if it were to fail (mechanical or total loss of electrical), the backup of the mag. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293585#293585 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: windshield brace wiring
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
I am just getting ready to final install my canopy top and had a question to run by the brain trust on running wiring through the canopy brace. I have the aerosport overhead console for my A/C installation and I installed wire channel down the length of it which makes it really convenient for getting wires to the back, especially for the a/C unit on an upper tray behind the bulkhead. What I would ideally like to run through the brace are seven 16 gauge wires (two for my overhead light, and the five for the a/c control), an RG coax for the Garmin GPS antenna and wires associated with the Dynon Skyview GPS run. (haven't seen it but heard that there are four or five "thin" wires associated with that. I have notched out the top of my upper forward panel and underlying rib where the brace meets. I think I'll have room, but it will be tight. I would appreciate any comments pro or con to this idea, or any tales of similar runs by someone else. Is there any reason not to do this that I haven't thought of? Thanks in advance. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293591#293591 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: windshield brace wiring
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
I have a VOR-coax wire and a low power (20 guage) wire for a vertical card compass running there. Not real critical items and the compass light is almost never used (I do not fly at night). I personally do not like the idea of running the high amperage (16 guage) lines up there. I would worry about chafe at the entry/exit points of the steel tube. If the overhead console is not removable there is no way to inspect for chafe and shorts. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - phase 1 / painting Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293592#293592 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: windshield brace wiring
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
I ran 2 RG400 coax and @ 2 #18 conductors through the canopy brace with no problem. You can protect the wiring at the ends of the tubng with RTV or SHOE GOO. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293595#293595 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: To Magento - Or Not To Magento
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
I discussed both of these points at length with Allan Barrett when I was ordering my engine. His take was that 9 : 1 pistons gave a modest increase in performance, with no decrease in reliability or TBO. I wanted to do one mag and one electronic ignition. He was not willing to build an engine with electronic ignition for a variety of reasons, but would delete one mag if I wanted to install an electronic myself. He convinced me to go with 2 mags. Allan, chime in if I have misrepresented you position. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293596#293596 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Before mounting engine
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
I mounted the engine by myself in about 30 minutes. Just pure luck that when I hoisted it, everything lined up. But once it was on, it looked so cool I never wanted to take it off. The only real hassle was later riveting the forward fuselage section with the engine in place. A few of the rivets through the firewall were a bear to buck behind the mags. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293597#293597 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Apr 08, 2010
Subject: Re: To Magento - Or Not To Magento
Jim, I purchased the BPE IO-540 with FF Cold Induction and 9:1. I ordered one mag and was going to do the same thing with the hope that PMag would prove out before I flew or go with a Plasma III. At some point along the way I decided to just hang a second mag on and call it good for the first year of flight so I ordered a second mag. I happened to luck out and buy two mags that both required an the AD before first flight. In hind sight I wish I would have installed an electronic ignition on one side strictly for the better burn. I also have come to believe an elec. Ignition may help with part of my temp issues (James Cowl & Plenum; nuff said). YMMV, Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: To Magento - Or Not To Magento I discussed both of these points at length with Allan Barrett when I was ordering my engine. His take was that 9 : 1 pistons gave a modest increase in performance, with no decrease in reliability or TBO. I wanted to do one mag and one electronic ignition. He was not willing to build an engine with electronic ignition for a variety of reasons, but would delete one mag if I wanted to install an electronic myself. He convinced me to go with 2 mags. Allan, chime in if I have misrepresented you position. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293596#293596 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Lark" <jrlark(at)bmts.com>
Subject: Magnetos/Electronic Ignitions
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Kelly McMullen said >>My question is whether the benefits of a single Plasma III are worth the cost and effort to have 2 different systems. Certainly there is better cruise economy in theory, but no difference at full power. If magneto equipped with Slick Start there should be no difference in starting, so are the cruise benefits worth the trouble and cost?<< Hey Kelly, while I'm just waiting for the wing kit to arrive, I've been watching/reading about the electronic ignition issues etc. Can you expand on the difference in costs and the effort required with regards to the 2 separate systems? To quote a fellow Canadian, "Inquiring minds need to know". Thx. Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Subject: Re: To Magento - Or Not To Magento
From: Richard Martin <martinaerodrome(at)gmail.com>
I have 1950 hours on my RV8 in the 10 years of operation. The first 950 hours were with a IO360AlB6 Lycoming with 10to l pistons and dual electronic lightspeed ignition. I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THE USE OF 10-1 PISTONS. AFTER 951 hours of operation they almost killed me. I noticed with the last oil change at that time there was a substantial (not a trace) of metal bearing material in the oil filter. I was alarmed. I removed a cylinder and piston and discovered that there was NO BEARINGS LEFT on the connecting rod to crankshaft bearings. Needless to say, I was quite alarmed. I then removed the other cylinders and saw that all 4 rod bearings were gone.The crankshaft etc. were damaged beyond repair.After that scare, I decided that I would buy a NEW engine. I always wondered why people would spend the money required for a new engine rather than overhaul a second hand used engine. I had just returned home in wisconsin after a 1200 mile flight from florida when this all happened. Needless to say, I think that the BIG GUY UPSTAIRS was sitting on my shoulder. At this time, Lycoming had just introduced their IO390A1B6 210 hp engine, so I spent my kids inheretance and bought a NEW engine from Barrette Performance Aircraft engines in Tulsa. I am happy with this engine. It has real power increase over the 10-1 360. I noticed a average speed increase of approx 10 mmph and a climb increase of approx 500 plus fpm. Average fuel consumption at 23/23 manifold press/rpm is 9 gallons per hour. If you wish to discuss this, please do not use internet,because I do not have time for replies. You may call me @ 920 619 6968. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > I would really appreciate your thoughts regarding the installation of a > dual Plasma III ignition system with crankshaft sensor on the IO-540 > engine. Would this negate the need to install a magneto system? > > What is the reliability of electronic ignition systems when fitted to > aircraft engines? > > Additionally what are the general thoughts regrading the use of 9:1 high > compression pistons on IO-540 engines please? > > Your thoughts would be appreciated to enlighten the uninitiated. > > Many thanks in anticipation. > > Regards > > Patrick Pulis > Adelaide, South Australia > > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: To Magento - Or Not To Magento
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Apr 09, 2010
There are a few of us running dual LSE ignitions and very happy with the result. As has been pointed out, there is huge benefit from the first electronic ignition, very little with the second. If you do go with dual electronic ignitions just recognize the dependence on electrons flowing. There are multiple ways to mitigate this ranging from a simple, small second battery setup to the more sophisticated AeroElectric Z-14 architecture. Once you've addressed that the reliability is at least as high as magnetos. I for one am extremely happy with my setup. I'd also point out that it's likely that you'll have an all electric panel of some sort and will want some sort of way to mitigate electrical failure anyway so it's not much of a leap to include dual electronic ignitions into that equation. If you get an engine already equipped with new mags, I'd be inclined to just replace one with electronic and keep the new mag in place. When that hits OH time just swap it out with the one that the electronic ignition replaced. When you hit the 1000 hour mark and it's time for the second mag to need OH you'll be in a much better position to evaluate from your own experience. With regard to the pistons - given the current fuel situation I'd stick with 8.5:1. If you go higher you'll be increasing the potential that a replacement fuel won't have sufficient detonation margins. The gain from installing slightly higher compression pistons is minimal however if there's an issue that requires you to drop back down to 8.5:1 you'd have to pull all cylinders, replace pistons & rings, rehone, reinstall cylinders and go through a break-in again. Up to you to decide whether it's worth it. Bob N442PM Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293629#293629 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Magnetos/Electronic Ignitions
~$1500 plus the additional wiring, your time, minus the value of the removed mag. For the LS Plasma III. You could also look at the G3 electronic modification to magnetos. www.g3ignition.com Personally, I don't believe 95% of their claims as they seem to have poor understanding of the flame propagation event. I probably will go with either 2 Bendix S-1200s, or LS Plasma and an S-1200. Both more expensive than Slicks, but Slicks don't have a great service history on Lycoming IO-540s. They have better record on TCM engines for some reason. On 4/9/2010 8:46 AM, Rick Lark wrote: > Kelly McMullen said > >>My question is whether the benefits of a single Plasma III are worth > the cost and effort to have 2 different systems. Certainly there is > better cruise economy in theory, but no difference at full power. If > magneto equipped with Slick Start there should be no difference in > starting, so are the cruise benefits worth the trouble and cost?<< > Hey Kelly, while I'm just waiting for the wing kit to arrive, I've been > watching/reading about the electronic ignition issues etc. Can you > expand on the difference in costs and the effort required with regards > to the 2 separate systems? > To quote a fellow Canadian, "Inquiring minds need to know". > Thx. > Rick > #40956 > Southampton, Ont. > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Before mounting engine
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Riveting the cowl hinges before attaching the engine mount is a good idea as the mount gets in the way of several hinge rivets. By the time I realized this, the engine was already hung and it got interesting. I pulled FW wires after the engine on without problem. One advantage of doing it this way is that everything is known to be accessible after the fact. Attached forest of ground tabs to FW before engine on. Mounted LSE Electronic Ignition to aft side of FW before engine on. Install of air vent control cables after engine on doesn't look like fun as there's little clearance. I didn't have my cabin mounts done at the time, so I'll be the poster child for doing it backwards. Ran engine control cables after engine on without problem. Would have been easier beforehand though. Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293658#293658 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Subject: Re: To Magento - Or Not To Magento
A few months ago, I didn't think G3 supported 6 cylinders. Looking again, i still don't see any support other than for 4 cylinders. Does anyone know any different? http://www.g3ignition.com/order.html Jae 40533 ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: windshield brace wiring
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Will you be running significant (> 1 amp) current in these wires? Will you hang a compass on the center support post? If the answers are yes and yes, then you'll want to run a ground return line, as close as possible to the other wires, to minimize stray magnetic fields. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293690#293690 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: To Magento - Or Not To Magento
Date: Apr 09, 2010
According to the owner it does support 6 cyl John G. Cumins -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:37 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: To Magento - Or Not To Magento A few months ago, I didn't think G3 supported 6 cylinders. Looking again, i still don't see any support other than for 4 cylinders. Does anyone know any different? http://www.g3ignition.com/order.html Jae 40533 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Weight & Balance Spreadsheet
Dear Listers, I finally weighted the 'ol RV-8 last night. Gulp. As expected, pretty heavy. I did forget to fill it up with oil before I weighed, however, so I'll have to redo my weighing after I do that. In the meantime, I created a spreadsheet to calculate the Weight & Balance. The sheet calculates a number of common scenarios and allows for the user-entering of various parameters such as pilot weight and plane weights as well as the various arms. Its setup for an RV-8, but could very easily be modified for other models of RVs. After I finished it, I thought other builders might like to use it as well. It comes with no guarantees whatsoever. You can click on the link below to download either the PDF or the Excel spreadsheet: PDF Format: http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV8/WeightAndBalance/RV-8WeightAndBalance-Version1.0-MattDralle.pdf Excel Format: http://www.matronics.com/MattsRV8/WeightAndBalance/RV-8WeightAndBalance-Version1.0-MattDralle.xls Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: To Magento - Or Not To Magento
From: "jchang10" <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Thanks. I stand corrected. In fact, in the current price list PDF file, it does mention 6 cylinder harnesses, etc. http://www.g3ignition.com/currentprice11.01.09.pdf Well, that's certainly nice to know. Hopefully, those 7 rv-10 builders can provide some success reports for future reference. Jae jcumins(at)jcis.net wrote: > According to the owner it does support 6 cyl > > John G. Cumins > > > -- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293720#293720 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Subject: Re: To Magento - Or Not To Magento
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
It would be even better if they were able to do a 3 leg GPS run with G3 enabled, followed by one with it disabled, on stock magnetos, so we could have a real world estimate of power difference. On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 7:19 PM, jchang10 wrote: > > Thanks. I stand corrected. In fact, in the current price list PDF file, it does mention 6 cylinder harnesses, etc. > > http://www.g3ignition.com/currentprice11.01.09.pdf > > Well, that's certainly nice to know. Hopefully, those 7 rv-10 builders can provide some success reports for future reference. > > Jae > > > jcumins(at)jcis.net wrote: >> According to the owner it does support 6 cyl >> >> John G. Cumins >> >> >> -- > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293720#293720 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 10, 2010
Subject: Re: To Magento - Or Not To Magento
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Thanks for extracting that write-up Bob. Good info. Anyone know of similar comparison for Lightspeed vs mags? Obviously not as easy to compare since hardware has to be changed. On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > Larry's write up can be found on his web site: > http://www.vettermanexhaust.com/ > > Here's the section about the G3: > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 10, 2010
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Anybody need an "Extra Hand" in building their RV ??
Greetings: I have time to help someone on their Project. I have completed building the RV-8A empennage ( Acid etched, Alodined and Mil Epoxy Primed the interior skins and assembled) and have run out of room to continue building. Have tools to help someone on their Project. I am a retired electrical engineer and have designed my own Electrical System for the RV. Also designed an "Pilot Aux Warning System" that monitors Vans analog engine gauges and provides a Warning for - "Low Fuel", "Hi Oil Temp", "Low Voltage", etc Spent many ours researching the best way to do things on Matronics from other Builders. Hoped to use this info on my Project, but ran out of room to build, thus hoping to share ideas and help someone on their "Project". Garey Wittich (CFI, MEI) Santa Monica, CA (310) 392-1682 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 10, 2010
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Gretz GA-1000 Wiring
Quick question regarding the four wires coming from the GA-1000 pitot. The P+ and P- wires are marked, but I just wanted to verify that the two smaller wires are the thermistor. The instructions don't specifically say and the wires aren't marked. Thanks, -Sean #40303 (back at it after a few years hiatus) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gretz GA-1000 Wiring
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Apr 10, 2010
Sean, You are correct. Also, check your Gretz pitot for leaks before installing it in your wing. It is a pita to discover a leak later on. Ask me how I know. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293780#293780 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Gretz GA-1000 Wiring
Date: Apr 10, 2010
Your assumption is correct. Andrew has installation instructions on his web site. http://www.angusaviation.com/ bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: RV10-List: Gretz GA-1000 Wiring Quick question regarding the four wires coming from the GA-1000 pitot. The P+ and P- wires are marked, but I just wanted to verify that the two smaller wires are the thermistor. The instructions don't specifically say and the wires aren't marked. Thanks, -Sean #40303 (back at it after a few years hiatus) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Re: Gretz GA-1000 Wiring
Date: Apr 10, 2010
Not only check for leaks, but proper operation. I had a thermistor that had one lead shorted to ground. It worked well on the bench, when the pitot body wasn't grounded. It got squirrelly when it was installed. It took quite a bit of testing to find the root cause. The good news was Andrew was prompt sending a replacement. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:39 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Gretz GA-1000 Wiring Sean, You are correct. Also, check your Gretz pitot for leaks before installing it in your wing. It is a pita to discover a leak later on. Ask me how I know. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293780#293780 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 11, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Circuit To Combine Mag P-Lead For RPM Measurements
Has anyone found a device or circuit to pick off the output from the P leads on the left and right mags for feeding to an RPM measuring device such as the GRT EIS-4000? The EIS-4000 only has a single RPM input. The installation manual suggests installing a SPDT switch between the left/right mags and then to the input on the EIS-4000 for manually switching between the mags during drop testing. But that's pretty hoekey. Seems like someone should have come up with a simple prioritized switching circuit that would, say, always read the left mag p lead unless there wasn't a signal, then read the right mag P lead output. In my "spare time" maybe I'll make one if there isn't something already out there like this. I thought that once upon a time I saw an electronic gizmo you could screw into the standard tack drive that would give an electronic output. Anyone have a line on this device and whether its compatible with the GRT EIS? Thanks!! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Circuit To Combine Mag P-Lead For RPM Measurements
Date: Apr 11, 2010
I use the switch. But I think Vans sells the tack drive unit. 1 plus for the switch. >From a raw data point of view, the switch is better since you are looking at each mag in isolation. Rene 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 11:26 AM rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Circuit To Combine Mag P-Lead For RPM Measurements Has anyone found a device or circuit to pick off the output from the P leads on the left and right mags for feeding to an RPM measuring device such as the GRT EIS-4000? The EIS-4000 only has a single RPM input. The installation manual suggests installing a SPDT switch between the left/right mags and then to the input on the EIS-4000 for manually switching between the mags during drop testing. But that's pretty hoekey. Seems like someone should have come up with a simple prioritized switching circuit that would, say, always read the left mag p lead unless there wasn't a signal, then read the right mag P lead output. In my "spare time" maybe I'll make one if there isn't something already out there like this. I thought that once upon a time I saw an electronic gizmo you could screw into the standard tack drive that would give an electronic output. Anyone have a line on this device and whether its compatible with the GRT EIS? Thanks!! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 11, 2010
From: Skylor Piper <skylor4(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Circuit To Combine Mag P-Lead For RPM Measurements
Matt, You may recall that I provided a suggestion of using a Westach inductive sender when you asked this question on the GRT yahoo group over a year ago: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GRT_EFIS/message/6872 Skylor Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 11, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Matt Dralle wrote: --> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Has anyone found a device or circuit to pick off the output from the P leads on the left and right mags for feeding to an RPM measuring device such as the GRT EIS-4000? The EIS-4000 only has a single RPM input. The installation manual suggests installing a SPDT switch between the left/right mags and then to the input on the EIS-4000 for manually switching between the mags during drop testing. But that's pretty hoekey. Seems like someone should have come up with a simple prioritized switching circuit that would, say, always read the left mag p lead unless there wasn't a signal, then read the right mag P lead output. In my "spare time" maybe I'll make one if there isn't something already out there like this. I thought that once upon a time I saw an electronic gizmo you could screw into the standard tack drive that would give an electronic output. Anyone have a line on this device and whether its compatible with the GRT EIS? Thanks!! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann(at)ausawd.com>
Date: Apr 12, 2010
Subject: Circuit To Combine Mag P-Lead For RPM Measurements
I'm with Rene. The switch is simple and works fine. Any electrickery needs to consider that one of the mags may be grounded during start. Cheers Ron VH-XRM flying in Oz -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Monday, 12 April 2010 3:44 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Circuit To Combine Mag P-Lead For RPM Measurements I use the switch. But I think Vans sells the tack drive unit. 1 plus for the switch. >From a raw data point of view, the switch is better since you are looking at each mag in isolation. Rene 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 11:26 AM rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Circuit To Combine Mag P-Lead For RPM Measurements Has anyone found a device or circuit to pick off the output from the P leads on the left and right mags for feeding to an RPM measuring device such as the GRT EIS-4000? The EIS-4000 only has a single RPM input. The installation manual suggests installing a SPDT switch between the left/right mags and then to the input on the EIS-4000 for manually switching between the mags during drop testing. But that's pretty hoekey. Seems like someone should have come up with a simple prioritized switching circuit that would, say, always read the left mag p lead unless there wasn't a signal, then read the right mag P lead output. In my "spare time" maybe I'll make one if there isn't something already out there like this. I thought that once upon a time I saw an electronic gizmo you could screw into the standard tack drive that would give an electronic output. Anyone have a line on this device and whether its compatible with the GRT EIS? Thanks!! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Apr 11, 2010
Subject: Circuit To Combine Mag P-Lead For RPM Measurements
Matt, You might check with GRT - I've heard that the newer versions of the EIS now come with 2 tach inputs. Might be an upgrade available. Bob RV-10 N442PM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: RV10-List: Circuit To Combine Mag P-Lead For RPM Measurements Has anyone found a device or circuit to pick off the output from the P leads on the left and right mags for feeding to an RPM measuring device such as the GRT EIS-4000? The EIS-4000 only has a single RPM input. The installation manual suggests installing a SPDT switch between the left/right mags and then to the input on the EIS-4000 for manually switching between the mags during drop testing. But that's pretty hoekey. Seems like someone should have come up with a simple prioritized switching circuit that would, say, always read the left mag p lead unless there wasn't a signal, then read the right mag P lead output. In my "spare time" maybe I'll make one if there isn't something already out there like this. I thought that once upon a time I saw an electronic gizmo you could screw into the standard tack drive that would give an electronic output. Anyone have a line on this device and whether its compatible with the GRT EIS? Thanks!! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 11, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: First Engine Start - Lycoming IO-390 Purrrrrzzz!
Dear Listers, The first start on the new Lycoming IO-390 from AeroSport went great. No major issues to speak of. The exhaust bolts on the left rear cylinder were a little bit loose, the hall-effect RPM sensors in the mags didn't seem to work, and there was a small fuel leak coming from the fittings on one of the fuel pressure transducers. Other than that, WOW! What a powerful engine! In the video, I only got to about 1/3 throttle and it felt like it wanted to jump off the ground! Really strong sounding and the 4-into-4 Vetterman exhaust really gives the motor a throaty sound. All of the controls (throttle, mixture, and prop) worked as expected. Cycling the prop pitch worked great. Fuel flow was good and I tested feeds from both the left and right tanks. The left and right mags also checked out good as did the kill switch. AeroSport bench ran the engine for 11.5 hours at my request. This should get me well past the critical breakin period. The ease at which it started attests to that as well. Wow! That's all I've got to say! I can hardly wait to point this baby down the runway and "get 'er done"! In addition to the usual still-picture fair I normally attached to my log entries, I've now added YouTube videos as well! And - they're in full 1080p HDTV resolution too! When the YouTube player comes up, in the lower right hand corner it will say "360p" by default. Select the highest setting that works on your computer without stuttering (480p/720p/1080p). The HDTV versions are amazing clear. I can hardly wait to get some air-to-air shots. The cameras are Sony HDR-CX550V and HDR-XR550V units and sport 64GB of flash and a 240GB hard drive respectively. They record in full 1080 HD and Dolby digital 5.1 surround sound. I have the HDR-CX550V mounted on a head rest mount on the back of the pilot's seat and the HDR-XR550V is used for tripod or hand held action capture. The head rest mount is a little too low to see over my shoulder and I've got an extension ordered that should lift it well over the obstruction. I edited the various clips down using Adobe Premiere CS4, which is very nice, btw. HDTV Videos (Select the 480p, 720p, or 1080p HD Quality Versions!) First Engine Start http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK-dIxL9aJ8 Testing Fuel Flow Sender http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5NWP9W8pko Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 12, 2010
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Before I Joint The Tailcone!
With the kind assistance of the kids, I managed to join the tail-cone onto the forward fuselage for the first time this evening, without too much fuss .- Is there anything in particular that I should do (or know) before I fi nally attach the tail-cone for good.=0A=0AYour guidance and wise words are as always much appreciated and thoughtfully accepted.=0A=0AYou folks are- just amazing, the wealth of knowledge out there is countless and so freely shared, many thanks to you all.=0A=0AKind regards=0A=0APatrick Pulis=0A#402 99--- (VH-XPP reserved)=0AAdelaide, South Australia=0A=0ADo Not Archi ve=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: G3X has now has SVT. :)
Date: Apr 12, 2010
From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Check out the attached file..... I only wish I could control a full Garmin stack with the G3X push buttons now. As it currently stands, I believe you have to load an approach in your 430 and then do it again on your G3X. Kind of a pain, but it would be nice if they linked up so you only have to load the approach once. But I really like the direction the product is going! Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Modest panel upgrade--Not RV10 related
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Apr 12, 2010
Why the EFIS, if you already have enough gyros for night flight? It appears your son is not instrument rated so you really don't need too much in that regard. You probably will not recoup this investment, as avionics technology is changing so fast that whatever you put in will be "last year's device" when you sell it. I'm always in favor of engine monitors. If it were my engine I'd try to get a look at the cam and the followers, for signs of rust/corrosion. If the engine is a TCM you can pull the push rods and lifters without pulling the cylinders, to get a look. Not sure how you can inspect a Lycoming's cam without pulling a cylinder. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293977#293977 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Before I Joint The Tailcone!
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Apr 12, 2010
If you are going to use Van's strobe/elt mount, put it in before you join the tail cone. Also if you are going to have a tray or shelf behind the baggage bulkhead for GADAHRS or magnetometers do it now. If you are going to have belly mount antennas put the doublers in now. Same with autopilot servos. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293981#293981 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Apr 12, 2010
Subject: G3X has now has SVT. :)
I think Garmin really started to take notice of all of the non-certified EFIS players out there and stepped it up a notch. It's a pretty compelling argument to have the same display type across many aircraft types along wi th a common code base. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: RV10-List: G3X has now has SVT. :) Check out the attached file..... I only wish I could control a full Garmin stack with the G3X push buttons n ow. As it currently stands, I believe you have to load an approach in your 430 and then do it again on your G3X. Kind of a pain, but it would be nice if they linked up so you only have to load the approach once. But I really like the direction the product is going! Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 12, 2010
Subject: Re: First Engine Start - Lycoming IO-390 Purrrrrzzz!
From: bruce breckenridge <bbreckenridge(at)gmail.com>
Way to go Matt! On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > Dear Listers, > > The first start on the new Lycoming IO-390 from AeroSport went great. No > major issues to speak of. The exhaust bolts on the left rear cylinder were > a little bit loose, the hall-effect RPM sensors in the mags didn't seem to > work, and there was a small fuel leak coming from the fittings on one of the > fuel pressure transducers. Other than that, WOW! What a powerful engine! > In the video, I only got to about 1/3 throttle and it felt like it wanted > to jump off the ground! Really strong sounding and the 4-into-4 Vetterman > exhaust really gives the motor a throaty sound. All of the controls > (throttle, mixture, and prop) worked as expected. Cycling the prop pitch > worked great. Fuel flow was good and I tested feeds from both the left and > right tanks. The left and right mags also checked out good as did the kill > switch. AeroSport bench ran the engine for 11.5 hours at my request. This > should get me well past the critical breakin period. The ease at which it > started attests to that as well. > > Wow! That's all I've got to say! I can hardly wait to point this baby > down the runway and "get 'er done"! > > In addition to the usual still-picture fair I normally attached to my log > entries, I've now added YouTube videos as well! And - they're in full 1080p > HDTV resolution too! When the YouTube player comes up, in the lower right > hand corner it will say "360p" by default. Select the highest setting that > works on your computer without stuttering (480p/720p/1080p). The HDTV > versions are amazing clear. I can hardly wait to get some air-to-air shots. > > The cameras are Sony HDR-CX550V and HDR-XR550V units and sport 64GB of > flash and a 240GB hard drive respectively. They record in full 1080 HD and > Dolby digital 5.1 surround sound. I have the HDR-CX550V mounted on a head > rest mount on the back of the pilot's seat and the HDR-XR550V is used for > tripod or hand held action capture. The head rest mount is a little too low > to see over my shoulder and I've got an extension ordered that should lift > it well over the obstruction. I edited the various clips down using Adobe > Premiere CS4, which is very nice, btw. > > HDTV Videos (Select the 480p, 720p, or 1080p HD Quality Versions!) > > First Engine Start > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK-dIxL9aJ8 > > Testing Fuel Flow Sender > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5NWP9W8pko > > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Apr 12, 2010
Subject: G3X has now has SVT. :)
Agreed. I expected SVT on the G3X even when they were saying they were not promising any additional features. I expect Pathways (HITS) to follow at some point. What I don=92t expect (unfortunately ) is for Garmin to offer a n alternative to their Traffic ($8,800) & WX. If one wants to buy Navworx active ADS-b it will display a limited number of targets on the G3X but not the full complement of what the Navworx system will output and it will not display any of the free WX available through the Navworx system. RATS! Because of that Garmin owners are stuck with a $55.00/month charge for the full XM / WX data feed. Note from Garmin: We will soon be adding software support for the GTS 8XX traffic system that does support ADS-B through the 1090MHz transponder frequency along with being an active traffic TAS system. The GTS 8XX does not support the UAT connection to the ADS-B traffic. As for the FIS weather that the FAA provides, the only unit that we have to receive this is the GDL 90. The GDL 90 does not interface to either the G900X or the G3X. I am not sure what th e alternatives at this point are besides XM. Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder (Michael Sausen) *Sent:* Monday, April 12, 2010 11:21 AM *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: G3X has now has SVT. :) I think Garmin really started to take notice of all of the non-certified EFIS players out there and stepped it up a notch. It=92s a pretty compelli ng argument to have the same display type across many aircraft types along wit h a common code base. Michael *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Perry, Phil *Sent:* Monday, April 12, 2010 10:18 AM *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com *Subject:* RV10-List: G3X has now has SVT. :) Check out the attached file=85.. I only wish I could control a full Garmin stack with the G3X push buttons now. As it currently stands, I believe you have to load an approach in your 430 and then do it again on your G3X. Kind of a pain, but it would be nice if they linked up so you only have to load the approach once. But I really like the direction the product is going! Phil * * * * ===========* ===========* ===========* ===========* * * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 12, 2010
From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: G3X has now has SVT. :)
The G500 does that exact thing. Load the approach or flight plan up on the 430w and it transfer right to the G500. I've got about 42 hrs behind it now and it works great. I'm waiting to get SV and I have the 330 transponder.A couple of weeks ago I flew from Houston to Tampa and Had traffic all but a few places. =C2-I do wish we could get the weather from a navworx but I don't see tha t in the cards with Garmin. Got to say I'm enjoying my new panel much better then the Aerosonic/OP. Patrick Thyssen --- On Mon, 4/12/10, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wro te: From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> Subject: RE: RV10-List: G3X has now has SVT. :) Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 1:21 PM =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2- I think Garmin really started=0At o take notice of all of the non-certified EFIS players out there and steppe d=0Ait up a notch.=C2- It=99s a pretty compelling argument to have the same=0Adisplay type across many aircraft types along with a common code base. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AMichael =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0A owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil =0ASent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:18 AM =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: RV10-List: G3X has now has SVT. :) =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ACheck out the attached file.. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AI only wis h I could control a full Garmin stack with the G3X=0Apush buttons now.=C2 - =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AAs it currently stands, I believe you have to load an=0Aapproach in your 430 and then do it again on your G3X.=C2- Kind of a pain,=0Abut it would be nice if they linked up so you only have to load t he approach=0Aonce. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ABut I really like the direction the product is going! =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0APhil =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A =C2- =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A Contribution Web Site - ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Finish Kit
Date: Apr 13, 2010
For those that are getting ready to order a finish kit, I thought I would pass along the following data point. I ordered my kit on April 5th. I just got my confirmation with a May 17th ship date. A very pleasant surprise in that I don't have to wait eleven weeks. bob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Finish Kit
I ordered my fuselage and finish kit back in December to beat any price inc rease. Its is shipping out via Partain this Thursday. I am done with the wi ngs and am just cleaning up the shop this week to get ready for the new arr ival. Timing was perfect for me even though it was a 16 week wait. David Clifford RV-10 In Progress Empennage Done Engine Overhauled & Pickled Closing up The Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:46:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RV10-List: Finish Kit For those that are getting ready to order a finish kit, I thought I would p ass along the following data point. I ordered my kit on April 5 th . I just got my confirmation with a May 17 th ship date. A very pleasant surprise i n that I don=99t have to wait eleven weeks. bob == ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Subject: Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue
From: Jim Combs <jiminlexky(at)gmail.com>
Just a heads up for AFS 4500 users. We have just recently installed a 4500 in addition to the 3500 and have discovered a potential in flight surprise. While dialing in the airport identifier for Georgetown Ky (27K) the 4500 will reboot while entering the airport identifier at the MAP / Direct to menu of the 4500. It reboots on the third letter. I am not sure if any other airport identifiers are triggers for the reboot. If you enter the airport identifier at the 430W or on the 3500 there are no issues. Since we are using the 430W for the approaches anyway, there is a work around. I talked to AFS about the problem and they said it was a known problem. They currently don't have a planned software release to fix it. This problem exists using the latests firmware and map data release. I found this while on the ground. I was glad I was not airborne. Thanks, Jim Combs N312F - Flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Finish Kit
From: "conradb" <conradbooze(at)cox.net>
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Thanks Bob and David; I am just getting ready to order my X-10 finishing kit and was wondering what I would be doing this summer with the 11 week waiting period. Conrad B. :P Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294149#294149 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Subject: Batteries
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Ran across what appears to be a reasonable alternative to Odyssey or RG25. Anyone know anything about them? Length and width match RG25, with less height. Price is about 1/2 that of RG25 http://www.batteryweb.com/powersonic12vsla-detail-PS%2D12350.htm http://www.batteryweb.com/powersonic12vsla.cfm ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Equipment list
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Apr 14, 2010
My DAR is requesting an equipment list with stations and weights as part of my POH. Has anyone created one for the -10? Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294209#294209 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Equipment list
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Yep, one of the requirements. I created a separate one, not in my POH. Sorry I do not have it here at work, I will post it tonight.....if I get home at a decent hour. Rene 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: RV10-List: Equipment list My DAR is requesting an equipment list with stations and weights as part of my POH. Has anyone created one for the -10? Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294209#294209 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: <ricksked(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Equipment list
Jim, Try here : http://www.myrv10.com/tips/flight_testing/index.html Rick S. N246RS ---- Jim Berry wrote: > > My DAR is requesting an equipment list with stations and weights as part of my POH. Has anyone created one for the -10? > > Jim Berry > 40482 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294209#294209 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Go west , young man
Listers; Anybody have any recommendations for the airport at Santa Fe? We may be staying overnight and wondered if anyone had recommendations for the FBO's. Plan to be there around Friday/Sat 22/23. Plan is for Paris to Denver, then over to the Bar 10 ranch at the Grand canyon, spend a night at monument valley, then back thru Santa Fe for some sight seeing and then back thru Lubbock to Paris. Should be a fun week. Dr Fred. 515FW. 220 hrs. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann(at)ausawd.com>
Date: Apr 15, 2010
Subject: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot
issue) There is nothing more disconcerting than an inflight reboot of your AHRS. I have a 3 screen GRT system with Com1 antenna on the belly and Com 2 behi nd the cabin top aft fuse intersection. My AHRS is located on a tray above and aft the battery box ('standard location'), but within two feet of the com2 antenna. Com 1 is primary, com 2 is backup. I had a minor problem wi th the pax headset jacks that caused an intermittent open mic problem. Whe n I attempted to correct the problem by selecting com 2, the open mic persi sted, com 2 transmitted - the com 2 antenna being too close to the AHRS cau sed it to reboot. Having your PFD/MFD screens go blank at 3000' aint prett y - but a great opportunity to use those backups (ASI, ALT) thought a good idea during panel design. Fixed the open mic problem and found and fixed a dodgy BNC connector on the com2 antenna (RF leak). But only use com 2 for receive (tx still causes t he AHRS to drift), pending relocation of the AHRS away from the antenna dur ing the annual (this weekend!!) Lessons learned: 1. put the magnetometer in the wingtip. 2. don't have any tx antennas within 3' of the AHRS 3. don't route any AHRS (or high sensitivity) electrical wiring in the sa me loom as a tx cable (including RG400) Cheers Ron VH-XRM flying in Oz ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 8:45 PM Subject: RV10-List: Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue Just a heads up for AFS 4500 users. We have just recently installed a 4500 in addition to the 3500 and have dis covered a potential in flight surprise. While dialing in the airport ident ifier for Georgetown Ky (27K) the 4500 will reboot while entering the airpo rt identifier at the MAP / Direct to menu of the 4500. It reboots on the t hird letter. I am not sure if any other airport identifiers are triggers f or the reboot. If you enter the airport identifier at the 430W or on the 3500 there are no issues. Since we are using the 430W for the approaches anyway, there is a work around. I talked to AFS about the problem and they said it was a known problem. Th ey currently don't have a planned software release to fix it. This problem exists using the latests firmware and map data release. I found this while on the ground. I was glad I was not airborne. Thanks, Jim Combs N312F - Flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Go west , young man
From: "mouser" <mouser(at)mouser.org>
Date: Apr 14, 2010
There's actually only one FBO at SAF now. Capitol has gone the way of the dodo, so your only choice is Air Center. The airport restaurant is reasonable, located under the tower next door to the FBO. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294265#294265 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Equipment list
From: "rvdave" <davidbf(at)centurytel.net>
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is: A-Airworthiness certificate R-Registration R-Radio License(no longer required) O-Operating Limitations W-Weight & Balance -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294266#294266 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Equipment list
Date: Apr 14, 2010
How can you do a weight and balance without an equipment list? ----- Original Message ----- From: rvdave<mailto:davidbf(at)centurytel.net> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list > Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is: A-Airworthiness certificate R-Registration R-Radio License(no longer required) O-Operating Limitations W-Weight & Balance -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294266#294266 .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294266#294266> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List igator?RV10-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight
reboot issue) You should have it right at rotation and both blank out, Thanks OP Patrick Thyssen --- On Wed, 4/14/10, McGann, Ron wrote: From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann(at)ausawd.com> Subject: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flig ht reboot issue) Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:13 PM =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThere is nothing more disconcerting than=0Aan inflight reboot of your AHRS. =C2- =C2-I have a 3 screen GRT system with=0ACom1 antenna on the belly and Com 2 behind the cabin top aft fuse intersection.=0A=C2-My AHRS is located o n a tray above and aft the battery box (=98standard=0Alocation =99), but within two feet of the com2 antenna. =C2-Com 1 is=0Aprimary, co m 2 is backup.=C2- I had a minor problem with the pax headset=0Ajacks tha t caused an intermittent open mic problem. =C2-When I attempted to=0Acorr ect the problem by selecting com 2, the open mic persisted, com 2=0Atransmi tted =93 the com 2 antenna being too close to the AHRS caused it to =0Areboot. =C2-Having your PFD/MFD screens go blank at 3000=99 aint pretty =93=0Abut a great opportunity to use those backups (ASI, ALT) thought a good idea during=0Apanel design. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AFixed the o pen mic problem and found and=0Afixed a dodgy BNC connector on the com2 ant enna (RF leak).=C2- But only use=0Acom 2 for receive (tx still causes the AHRS to drift), pending relocation of=0Athe AHRS away from the antenna dur ing the annual (this weekend!!) =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ALessons learned: =0A=0A =0A put=0A the magnetometer in the wingtip. =0A don=99t=0A ha ve any tx antennas within 3=99 of the AHRS =0A don=99t=0A r oute any AHRS (or high sensitivity) electrical wiring in the same loom as =0A a tx cable (including RG400) =0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ACheers =0A=0ARo n =0A=0AVH-XRM flying in Oz =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-rv1 0-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On=0ABehalf Of Jim Combs =0ASent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010=0A8:45 PM =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: RV10-List: Heads up - AFS=0A4500 potential in flight reboot iss ue =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AJust a heads up for AFS 4500 users. =0A =0AWe have just recently installed a 4500 in addition to the 3500 and have =0Adiscovered a potential in flight surprise.=C2- While dialing in the ai rport=0Aidentifier for Georgetown=0A Ky (27K) the 4500 will reboot while en tering=0Athe airport identifier at the MAP / Direct to menu of the 4500.=C2 - It=0Areboots on the third letter.=C2- I am not sure if any other airp ort=0Aidentifiers are triggers for the reboot.=C2- =0A =0AIf you enter the airport identifier at the 430W or on the 3500 there are no=0Aissues.=C2- Since we are using the 430W for the approaches anyway, there is a=0Awork around. =0A =0AI talked to AFS about the problem and they said it was a known problem. =C2-=0AThey currently don't have a planned software release to fix it.=C2 - This=0Aproblem exists using the latests firmware and map data release. =C2- =0A =0AI found this while on the ground.=C2- I was glad I was not airborne. =C2- =0A =0AThanks, Jim Combs =0A =0AN312F - Flying =0A=C2- =0A=0A =C2- =C2-
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listh ttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: Re: Equipment list
Date: Apr 14, 2010
So I'm kinda with Dave here.... Maybe we don't understand what you mean by equipment list..... My w&b is all fixed except fuel, oil, passengers, and baggage. In my mind the 'equipment' is a fixed part of the airframe and is incorporated within the fixed part of the airframe w&b..... What are we missing? -Mike Kraus RV-4 Flying RV-10 Building Grass Lake, MI (26W) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:09 PM, "Roger Standley" wrote: > How can you do a weight and balance without an equipment list? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rvdave > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list > > > Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c > is: > > A-Airworthiness certificate > R-Registration > R-Radio License(no longer required) > O-Operating Limitations > W-Weight & Balance > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294266#294266 > > > http://www.matronicp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Paint system choices
It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, and the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme and most importantly, a paint system to commit to. I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems like a lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others the whole system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further information. I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and working with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had access to the aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft top coat products. But it would be nice to have a local resource I'm thinking. Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please contact me directly if more appropriate. Thanks in advance, Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Erickson" <rv10builder(at)ericksonjc.com>
Subject: Re: Equipment list
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Umm, take a look here http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/RV10wb.pdf for an example. Once you've established the empty weight and CG, it is easy to figure out the loaded CG based on pax and fuel. You do need to redo the empty CG if your equipment changes, but you certainly do not need an equipment list (along with datum references) to have a completely valid weight and balance for both empty and loaded conditions. Just my $0.02 worth. John RV-10 Wings (still) From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list How can you do a weight and balance without an equipment list? ----- Original Message ----- From: rvdave <mailto:davidbf(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is: A-Airworthiness certificate R-Registration R-Radio License(no longer required) O-Operating Limitations W-Weight & Balance -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294266#294266 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronicp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c==== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Re: Equipment list
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Jack up the airplane Put the scales under the wheels Lower the airplane... Just joking J I think the equipment list was identified in my trusty EAA certification package. So I did one and my DAR asked me for it. I could be wrong and only my DAR asked me for one.... When I get home tonight, I will look back and see if I can find a reference... As far as a POH. I think the certified A/C need to have one to meet the Operating Limitations requirement. We get the limitations through our Airworthiness Certificate..pink slip with operating limitations attached. But no real expert on this...just taking a break from work. J Rene 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:10 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list How can you do a weight and balance without an equipment list? ----- Original Message ----- From: rvdave <mailto:davidbf(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is: A-Airworthiness certificate R-Registration R-Radio License(no longer required) O-Operating Limitations W-Weight & Balance -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294266#294266 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronicp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c==== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Equipment list
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: pilotdds(at)aol.com
operating limitations and weight and balance -----Original Message----- From: rvdave <davidbf(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:46 pm Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is: A-Airworthiness certificate -Registration -Radio License(no longer required) -Operating Limitations -Weight & Balance -------- ave Ford V6 flying V10 building adillac, MI ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294266#294266 ======================== =========== -= - The RV10-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Finish Kit
From: "Andy Turner" <aturner(at)clarion.edu>
Date: Apr 14, 2010
To add another data point for those planning their schedules, I received my fuselage kit in mid-march after a 15 week wait. -------- Andy Turner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294276#294276 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight
reboot issue)
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Isn't that now a recordable incident with the FAA?? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Patrick Thyssen wrote: > You should have it right at rotation and both blank out, Thanks OP > Patrick Thyssen > > --- On Wed, 4/14/10, McGann, Ron wrote: > > From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann(at)ausawd.com> > Subject: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential > in flight reboot issue) > To: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com" > Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:13 PM > > There is nothing more disconcerting than an inflight reboot of your > AHRS. I have a 3 screen GRT system with Com1 antenna on the belly > and Com 2 behind the cabin top aft fuse intersection. My AHRS is > located on a tray above and aft the battery box (=98standard > location=99), but within two feet of the com2 antenna. Com 1 is prima > ry, com 2 is backup. I had a minor problem with the pax headset jac > ks that caused an intermittent open mic problem. When I attempted t > o correct the problem by selecting com 2, the open mic persisted, co > m 2 transmitted =93 the com 2 antenna being too close to the AHRS caus > ed it to reboot. Having your PFD/MFD screens go blank at 3000=99 aint > pretty =93 but a great opportunity to use those backups (ASI, ALT) th > ought a good idea during panel design. > > > Fixed the open mic problem and found and fixed a dodgy BNC connector > on the com2 antenna (RF leak). But only use com 2 for receive (tx > still causes the AHRS to drift), pending relocation of the AHRS away > from the antenna during the annual (this weekend!!) > > > Lessons learned: > > put the magnetometer in the wingtip. > don=99t have any tx antennas within 3=99 of the AHRS > don=99t route any AHRS (or high sensitivity) electrical wiring in the > same loom as a tx cable (including RG400) > > > Cheers > > Ron > > VH-XRM flying in Oz > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs > Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 8:45 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot > issue > > > Just a heads up for AFS 4500 users. > > We have just recently installed a 4500 in addition to the 3500 and > have discovered a potential in flight surprise. While dialing in > the airport identifier for Georgetown Ky (27K) the 4500 will reboot > while entering the airport identifier at the MAP / Direct to menu of > the 4500. It reboots on the third letter. I am not sure if any > other airport identifiers are triggers for the reboot. > > If you enter the airport identifier at the 430W or on the 3500 there > are no issues. Since we are using the 430W for the approaches > anyway, there is a work around. > > I talked to AFS about the problem and they said it was a known > problem. They currently don't have a planned software release to > fix it. This problem exists using the latests firmware and map data > release. > > I found this while on the ground. I was glad I was not airborne. > > Thanks, Jim Combs > > N312F - Flying > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight
reboot issue)
Date: Apr 14, 2010
True, according to the new rules, an efis failure is now an item requiring a filed report....just like some engine/prop/systems failures. I think it's good in that before there wasn't a real good way to know the count of issues, an with the proliferation of TAA they now are wanting to know how reliable systems are in the real world. Too many companies quote things like "MTBF 10,000 hrs" when they may only have a few systems out in the world with really low numbers of hours. Tim On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: > Isn't that now a recordable incident with the FAA?? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Patrick Thyssen > wrote: > >> You should have it right at rotation and both blank out, Thanks OP >> Patrick Thyssen >> >> --- On Wed, 4/14/10, McGann, Ron wrote: >> >> From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann(at)ausawd.com> >> Subject: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential >> in flight reboot issue) >> To: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com" >> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:13 PM >> >> There is nothing more disconcerting than an inflight reboot of your >> AHRS. I have a 3 screen GRT system with Com1 antenna on the belly >> and Com 2 behind the cabin top aft fuse intersection. My AHRS is >> located on a tray above and aft the battery box (=98standard locatio >> n=99), but within two feet of the com2 antenna. Com 1 is primary, c >> om 2 is backup. I had a minor problem with the pax headset jacks >> that caused an intermittent open mic problem. When I attempted to >> correct the problem by selecting com 2, the open mic persisted, c >> om 2 transmitted =93 the com 2 antenna being too close to the AHRS c >> aused it to reboot. Having your PFD/MFD screens go blank at 3000 =99 >> aint pretty =93 but a great opportunity to use those backups (ASI, >> ALT) thought a good idea during panel design. >> >> >> >> Fixed the open mic problem and found and fixed a dodgy BNC >> connector on the com2 antenna (RF leak). But only use com 2 for >> receive (tx still causes the AHRS to drift), pending relocation of >> the AHRS away from the antenna during the annual (this weekend!!) >> >> >> >> Lessons learned: >> >> put the magnetometer in the wingtip. >> don=99t have any tx antennas within 3=99 of the AHRS >> don=99t route any AHRS (or high sensitivity) electrical wiring in th >> e same loom as a tx cable (including RG400) >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Ron >> >> VH-XRM flying in Oz >> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- >> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs >> Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 8:45 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot >> issue >> >> >> >> Just a heads up for AFS 4500 users. >> >> We have just recently installed a 4500 in addition to the 3500 and >> have discovered a potential in flight surprise. While dialing in >> the airport identifier for Georgetown Ky (27K) the 4500 will reboot >> while entering the airport identifier at the MAP / Direct to menu >> of the 4500. It reboots on the third letter. I am not sure if any >> other airport identifiers are triggers for the reboot. >> >> If you enter the airport identifier at the 430W or on the 3500 >> there are no issues. Since we are using the 430W for the >> approaches anyway, there is a work around. >> >> I talked to AFS about the problem and they said it was a known >> problem. They currently don't have a planned software release to >> fix it. This problem exists using the latests firmware and map >> data release. >> >> I found this while on the ground. I was glad I was not airborne. >> >> Thanks, Jim Combs >> >> N312F - Flying >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV10-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: <jfrjr(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: Paint system choices
Bill (and others): I had painted cars as a kid and thought I was pretty good so I decided to paint the 10. I used the Loehle system throughout including his hole filler (works very well with minimum "coats".) I started with a turbine HVLP but was getting crummy results so went back to what I used as a kid (big compressor, refriged air, but used the new lower pressure guns with multiple tips). It did not come out as well as I hoped: 1) booth was too small especially for the fuselage. 2) I painted it over a long period of time so some of the colors don't exactly match (? different humidity, ? improper mixing, ? different batches from Loehle, ???)and, 3) most importantly, shitty lighting because of the too small booth and lack of money to really buy good lights. To me lighting is the most important factor in applying good coats. If I had it to do over I would do it after the plane was together, do it in my hanger in a large very well lit temporary booth. No, I take that back. If I had it to do over I would pay someone to do it!!! If you have any specific questions please feel free to call me (207) 322-6167. Jay Rowe 40301 ---- Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: > > It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, and > the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme and most > importantly, a paint system to commit to. > > I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems like a > lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others the whole > system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further information. > > I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and working > with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had access to the > aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft top coat products. > But it would be nice to have a local resource I'm thinking. > > Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please contact me > directly if more appropriate. > > Thanks in advance, > Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 15, 2010
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Paint system choices
Yeah, I painted model airplanes as a kid and quickly realized that I was a bulider and flyer but not a finisher. The advent of Monokote and it's many descendants saved me. I feel your pain. I swore up and down that I would be farming out the paint but finances and some sort of misguided pride has me determined to do it myself. I lack the skills and the patience but I have the space so I'm just going to have learn to take the time to learn, prep, and paint. Plus I have a Maule that REALLY needs a nice new cover and paint job. Flying in the rain challenged the original paint. We'll see. Sounds like doing it all at one time is good - but it seems that doing it in parts is easier. Putting those 2 thing together with lot's of light looks like a good approach. Bill jfrjr(at)roadrunner.com wrote: > Bill (and others): I had painted cars as a kid and thought I was pretty good so I decided to paint the 10. I used the Loehle system throughout including his hole filler (works very well with minimum "coats".) I started with a turbine HVLP but was getting crummy results so went back to what I used as a kid (big compressor, refriged air, but used the new lower pressure guns with multiple tips). It did not come out as well as I hoped: 1) booth was too small especially for the fuselage. 2) I painted it over a long period of time so some of the colors don't exactly match (? different humidity, ? improper mixing, ? different batches from Loehle, ???)and, 3) most importantly, shitty lighting because of the too small booth and lack of money to really buy good lights. To me lighting is the most important factor in applying good coats. If I had it to do over I would do it after the plane was together, do it in my hanger in a large very well lit temporary booth. No, I take that back. If I had it to do over I would pay someone to do it!!! If you have any specific questions please feel free to call me (207) 322-6167. Jay Rowe 40301 > ---- Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: > >> >> It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, and >> the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme and most >> importantly, a paint system to commit to. >> >> I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems like a >> lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others the whole >> system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further information. >> >> I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and working >> with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had access to the >> aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft top coat products. >> But it would be nice to have a local resource I'm thinking. >> >> Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please contact me >> directly if more appropriate. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firewall access
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 14, 2010
I need to punch a couple of access points through my firewall for my A/C lines. Unfortunately, I don't have my finishing kit or motor mount yet. I am considering one point directly (an inch or two) below the heater valve on the Captain's side and the other about the same height over on the FO side near the sidewall. My biggest fear is running these and later finding out that they conflict with something else. Can anyone ahead of me comment on those locations? Thanks in advance. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294289#294289 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Equipment list
Date: Apr 15, 2010
To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations letter says it must be carried on board, but I can't find anything regarding weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for part 135 ops and even that's not a POH. FWIW, Marcus 40286 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list operating limitations and weight and balance -----Original Message----- From: rvdave <davidbf(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:46 pm Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is: A-Airworthiness certificate R-Registration R-Radio License(no longer required) O-Operating Limitations W-Weight & Balance -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294266#294266 =================================== rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Re: Equipment list
Date: Apr 15, 2010
Isn't weight and balance an operating limitation. In certified airplanes it is found in the POH, but not including in our operating limitations letter. Again, no expert. Rene 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:08 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations letter says it must be carried on board, but I can't find anything regarding weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for part 135 ops and even that's not a POH. FWIW, Marcus 40286 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list operating limitations and weight and balance -----Original Message----- From: rvdave <davidbf(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:46 pm Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is: A-Airworthiness certificate R-Registration R-Radio License(no longer required) O-Operating Limitations W-Weight & Balance -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294266#294266 =================================== rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== http://www.matronic================ <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS via <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> the Web --> http://forums.matronics.comstyle='mso-spacerun:yes'> - List Contribution Web Site style='mso-spacerun:yes'> Thank you for your generous style='mso-spacerun:yes'> -Matt style='mso-spacerun:yes'> --> http://www.matronics.com/c <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> Forum - Navigator to browse List Un/Subscription, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 15, 2010
Subject: Re: Paint system choices
From: Richard Martin <martinaerodrome(at)gmail.com>
Most of the modern paint systems will work well on metal airplanes. * * I have used both HVLP and high pressure systems. I found that the HVLP systems worked best on fabric surfaces and the high pressure worked best on metal airplanes. (note fabric jobs require a flex additive). I would like to advise you to use caution when using modern urethane paints because of the toxic materials used in them (methyl ethel keotone) . I would suggest you consider an outside fresh air supply instead of charcoal masks. the charcoal masks have a very short life and will not filter the toxic vapors. I speak from experience, I now suffer from a tremor in my right arm and hand caused by the hexamethaline di iso cyanates used in all of the urethane paints. Note also use surgeons gloves (the blue ones). Good luck. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson < MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote: > MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> > > It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, and the > space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme and most > importantly, a paint system to commit to. > > I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems like a > lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others the whole system > (Rick). I've contacted them for some further information. > > I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and working with > them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had access to the aircraft line > of products, at least not the aircraft top coat products. But it would be > nice to have a local resource I'm thinking. > > Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please contact me > directly if more appropriate. > > Thanks in advance, > Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight
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From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Apr 15, 2010
Properly installed coax should have near zero field leakage. What physics are you basing your statement to not run coax w/ other "sensitive" wires on? Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294299#294299 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 15, 2010
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Paint system choices
The advice is well taken. I do have a fresh air system (one of the Axis systems from Spruce with fresh air and gun supply combined into one). I think that makes this a 1 person spary operation however. I will be getting the 'blue' gloves though not sure of their composition yet. And a suit and full face mask will be used. If only I was ready to shoot paint. Thanks. Bill "driving the slow one" Watson Richard Martin wrote: > Most of the modern paint systems will work well on metal > airplanes. / / I have used both HVLP and high pressure systems. I > found that the HVLP systems worked best on fabric surfaces and the > high pressure worked best on metal airplanes. (note fabric jobs > require a flex additive). > I would like to advise you to use caution when using modern urethane > paints because of the toxic materials used in them (methyl ethel > keotone) . I would suggest you consider an outside fresh air supply > instead of charcoal masks. the charcoal masks have a very short life > and will not filter the toxic vapors. I speak from experience, I now > suffer from a tremor in my right arm and hand caused by the > hexamethaline di iso cyanates used in all of the urethane paints. > Note also use surgeons gloves (the blue ones). > Good luck. > Dick Martin > RV8 N233M > the fast one > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson > > wrote: > > > > > It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, > and the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme > and most importantly, a paint system to commit to. > > I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems > like a lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others > the whole system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further > information. > > I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and > working with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had > access to the aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft > top coat products. But it would be nice to have a local resource > I'm thinking. > > Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please > contact me directly if more appropriate. > > Thanks in advance, > Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson > List Un/Subscription, > www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Paint system choices
Date: Apr 15, 2010
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
I have to second Dick's comments with a hearty "Do not discount the importance of protection from chemicals". Back in the days of Lacquers and Testor Model cement, things were a bit more basic with a higher survival rate. The newer urethane and iso-cyanates should always (without exception) have painter protection of the eyes, nasal cavities, lungs and skin. My tremors were central nervous system pains that appeared immediately after using charcoal filters and no sealed hood. The cost is a worthy investment in years of enjoyable flight. We are negotiating language for our professional painters at the airline to have annual chemical workups because so many die early from cancers in a most alarming rate. As a collective group, we could pool resources and get a system which can be passed from builder to builder like the composite countersink bit. John Cox - Ready with the first $300.00 and five Tyvek bodies suits for the next five participants in the size of your choice. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Martin Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:38 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint system choices Most of the modern paint systems will work well on metal airplanes. I have used both HVLP and high pressure systems. I found that the HVLP systems worked best on fabric surfaces and the high pressure worked best on metal airplanes. (note fabric jobs require a flex additive). I would like to advise you to use caution when using modern urethane paints because of the toxic materials used in them (methyl ethel keotone) . I would suggest you consider an outside fresh air supply instead of charcoal masks. the charcoal masks have a very short life and will not filter the toxic vapors. I speak from experience, I now suffer from a tremor in my right arm and hand caused by the hexamethaline di iso cyanates used in all of the urethane paints. Note also use surgeons gloves (the blue ones). Good luck. Dick Martin RV8 N233M the fast one On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, and the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme and most importantly, a paint system to commit to. I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems like a lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others the whole system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further information. I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and working with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had access to the aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft top coat products. But it would be nice to have a local resource I'm thinking. Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please contact me directly if more appropriate. Thanks in advance, Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson List Un/Subscription, www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Paint system choices
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Date: Apr 15, 2010
Hey Bill, The "blue gloves" I use are green: WW Grainger, "TouchNTuff" (Ansell), 92-500, medium. I started using them years ago when I asked EMS workers what they used since they are very aids aware and use the best. I happily discovered later that since they are Nitrile, they stand up to thinners better, but still give a nice touch. The chemical scare with urethane is real -- MANY years ago I was working in a cancer research lab where we gave mice subcutaneous pops of urethane to give them lung cancer so they could study the tumors. Most forget to cover up their skin. I have an explosion proof exhaust fan in my shop and get lots of cross draft, cover up pretty good, use a fresh carbon cartridge every time I shoot urethane, no hood, no problems. Painted it in pieces. I used automotive acrylic enamel just to keep the weight down. (basecoat/clearcoat on cars, I use three coats of each and it adds up) The way I paint, it is very labor intensive, and you may want to listen to those who say "hire someone!", but some of us take pleasure in the process -- something about unwrapping after shooting is almost perverse. Oh, make sure you use good automotive masking tape -- especially around the windows inside and out -- sticky and tough, but won't leave residue. My paint shop's good tape is light green now. Come see us! Later, - Lew Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Avionics in, engine started! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294325#294325 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Apr 15, 2010
Subject: Paint system choices
Those would be Nitril gloves. You can get them from HF also in the Nitril or, for double protection, nitril/latex combination. This is also a good system for fresh air without having multiple hoses being dragged around. http://www.eastwood.com/pure-air-2000-with-opti-fit-respirator-med.html Just be sure your compressor has fresh air. I pulled the cheesy little paper filter off of my compressor and plumbed a new intake from outside and well above the building. I also used a water filter with a paper element for a cheap DIY inlet air filter that works great. You could even use a charcoal filter if you really wanted. My compressor now has shorter run intervals and is staying cooler because it doesn't have to suck so hard. http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xkk/R-100471282/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053 Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:40 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint system choices The advice is well taken. I do have a fresh air system (one of the Axis systems from Spruce with fresh air and gun supply combined into one). I think that makes this a 1 person spary operation however. I will be getting the 'blue' gloves though not sure of their composition yet. And a suit and full face mask will be used. If only I was ready to shoot paint. Thanks. Bill "driving the slow one" Watson Richard Martin wrote: > Most of the modern paint systems will work well on metal > airplanes. / / I have used both HVLP and high pressure systems. I > found that the HVLP systems worked best on fabric surfaces and the > high pressure worked best on metal airplanes. (note fabric jobs > require a flex additive). > I would like to advise you to use caution when using modern urethane > paints because of the toxic materials used in them (methyl ethel > keotone) . I would suggest you consider an outside fresh air supply > instead of charcoal masks. the charcoal masks have a very short life > and will not filter the toxic vapors. I speak from experience, I now > suffer from a tremor in my right arm and hand caused by the > hexamethaline di iso cyanates used in all of the urethane paints. > Note also use surgeons gloves (the blue ones). > Good luck. > Dick Martin > RV8 N233M > the fast one > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson > > wrote: > > > > > It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, > and the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme > and most importantly, a paint system to commit to. > > I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems > like a lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others > the whole system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further > information. > > I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and > working with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had > access to the aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft > top coat products. But it would be nice to have a local resource > I'm thinking. > > Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please > contact me directly if more appropriate. > > Thanks in advance, > Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson > List Un/Subscription, > www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Re: Paint system choices
Date: Apr 15, 2010
I'd be inclined to prep and prime in parts and look to shoot the topcoat in as few sessions as possible. Jeff Carpenter 40304 On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: > > > > Yeah, I painted model airplanes as a kid and quickly realized that I > was a bulider and flyer but not a finisher. The advent of Monokote > and it's many descendants saved me. I feel your pain. > > I swore up and down that I would be farming out the paint but > finances and some sort of misguided pride has me determined to do it > myself. I lack the skills and the patience but I have the space so > I'm just going to have learn to take the time to learn, prep, and > paint. Plus I have a Maule that REALLY needs a nice new cover and > paint job. Flying in the rain challenged the original paint. We'll > see. > > Sounds like doing it all at one time is good - but it seems that > doing it in parts is easier. Putting those 2 thing together with > lot's of light looks like a good approach. > > Bill > > jfrjr(at)roadrunner.com wrote: >> Bill (and others): I had painted cars as a kid and thought I was >> pretty good so I decided to paint the 10. I used the Loehle system >> throughout including his hole filler (works very well with minimum >> "coats".) I started with a turbine HVLP but was getting crummy >> results so went back to what I used as a kid (big compressor, >> refriged air, but used the new lower pressure guns with multiple >> tips). It did not come out as well as I hoped: 1) booth was too >> small especially for the fuselage. 2) I painted it over a long >> period of time so some of the colors don't exactly match (? >> different humidity, ? improper mixing, ? different batches from >> Loehle, ???)and, 3) most importantly, shitty lighting because of >> the too small booth and lack of money to really buy good lights. >> To me lighting is the most important factor in applying good coats. >> If I had it to do over I would do it after the plane was together, >> do it in my hanger in a large very well lit temporary booth. No, I >> take that! > back. If I had it to do over I would pay someone to do it!!! If you > have any specific questions please feel free to call me (207) > 322-6167. Jay Rowe 40301 >> ---- Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: >>> > >>> >>> It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, >>> and the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme >>> and most importantly, a paint system to commit to. >>> >>> I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems >>> like a lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others >>> the whole system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further >>> information. >>> >>> I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and >>> working with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had >>> access to the aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft >>> top coat products. But it would be nice to have a local resource >>> I'm thinking. >>> >>> Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please >>> contact me directly if more appropriate. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Re: Paint system choices
Date: Apr 15, 2010
Hi Bill, I've been working with the Loehle system, so far on the inside of the cabin top and the interior of the plane. I plan to use it as well on the exterior. What I can tell you is that his black primer on the composite parts is a huge help. It is high build and very glossy. Low spots and pinholes are easily seen after sanding... and visibility is everything in this process (here I concur with Jay) so lighting is extremely important. Mike Loehle himself is very helpful, and that help is as important to the novice painter as the paint itself. Jeff Carpenter 40304 On Apr 14, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: > > > > It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, > and the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme > and most importantly, a paint system to commit to. > > I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems > like a lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others the > whole system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further > information. > > I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and working > with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had access to the > aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft top coat > products. But it would be nice to have a local resource I'm thinking. > > Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please contact > me directly if more appropriate. > > Thanks in advance, > Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Apr 15, 2010
Subject: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight
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From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight
reboot issue)
Date: Apr 15, 2010
That same thing happened to me with my OP on my first flight. Both screens went black. Gives new meaning to "fly the plane". Needless to say, I don't have OP any longer. Gary Specketer _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue) You should have it right at rotation and both blank out, Thanks OP Patrick Thyssen --- On Wed, 4/14/10, McGann, Ron wrote: From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann(at)ausawd.com> Subject: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue) Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:13 PM There is nothing more disconcerting than an inflight reboot of your AHRS. I have a 3 screen GRT system with Com1 antenna on the belly and Com 2 behind the cabin top aft fuse intersection. My AHRS is located on a tray above and aft the battery box ('standard location'), but within two feet of the com2 antenna. Com 1 is primary, com 2 is backup. I had a minor problem with the pax headset jacks that caused an intermittent open mic problem. When I attempted to correct the problem by selecting com 2, the open mic persisted, com 2 transmitted - the com 2 antenna being too close to the AHRS caused it to reboot. Having your PFD/MFD screens go blank at 3000' aint pretty - but a great opportunity to use those backups (ASI, ALT) thought a good idea during panel design. Fixed the open mic problem and found and fixed a dodgy BNC connector on the com2 antenna (RF leak). But only use com 2 for receive (tx still causes the AHRS to drift), pending relocation of the AHRS away from the antenna during the annual (this weekend!!) Lessons learned: 1. put the magnetometer in the wingtip. 2. don't have any tx antennas within 3' of the AHRS 3. don't route any AHRS (or high sensitivity) electrical wiring in the same loom as a tx cable (including RG400) Cheers Ron VH-XRM flying in Oz _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 8:45 PM Subject: RV10-List: Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue Just a heads up for AFS 4500 users. We have just recently installed a 4500 in addition to the 3500 and have discovered a potential in flight surprise. While dialing in the airport identifier for Georgetown Ky (27K) the 4500 will reboot while entering the airport identifier at the MAP / Direct to menu of the 4500. It reboots on the third letter. I am not sure if any other airport identifiers are triggers for the reboot. If you enter the airport identifier at the 430W or on the 3500 there are no issues. Since we are using the 430W for the approaches anyway, there is a work around. I talked to AFS about the problem and they said it was a known problem. They currently don't have a planned software release to fix it. This problem exists using the latests firmware and map data release. I found this while on the ground. I was glad I was not airborne. Thanks, Jim Combs N312F - Flying http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann(at)ausawd.com>
Date: Apr 16, 2010
Subject: Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in
flight re No physics, just personal experience. Professional engineer (electronics and comms), have a pretty good handle on electronics and RF installation, and I too expected properly installed RG400 to afford maximum RF shielding. Practical experience proved otherwise. Not preaching - just presenting an experience for other to consider (or not). Cheers Ron VH-XRM flying in Oz -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 11:38 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight re Properly installed coax should have near zero field leakage. What physics are you basing your statement to not run coax w/ other "sensitive" wires on? Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294299#294299 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Re: Equipment list
Date: Apr 15, 2010
I found this reference for the Equipment list..along with the original e-mail from my DAR asking me for one and providing an example to use. Go to page 7 in the attached reference. http://www.eaa166.org/Newsletters/ENEW0609.pdf I tried to send an example of my equipment list (MS Word), but forgot you can not send word attachments to the list. I stripped the text out and put it in this message. Date 31 Oct 07 Registration No. N423CF Manufacture Felker, Timothy R Model RV-10 Serial No. 001 Preformed By Timothy R Felker Item Manufacture Model No. Datum (in) Engine Lycoming IO-540 C4B5 53 Propeller Hartzle HC-C2YR-1BFP/F8068D 33 Main Wheels Cleveland 124.31 Main Tires 124.31 Nav/Strobe lights Wheelen HDACF 98 Airspeed Indicator UMA RV10 90 Altimeter UMA 10,000 Ft in Hg 90 ADI TruTrak ADI 90 Autopilot TruTrak Digiflight VSGV 90 EFIS Grand Rapids Horizon Series 1 90 Comm Panel PS Engineering PMA-8000B 90 DVD PS Engineering PAV-80 90 GPS Nav/Com Garmin GNS-430 90 Nav/Com Garmin SL30 90 Transponder Garmin GTX-327 90 EIS Grand Rapids 6000 90 EFIS (2) Blue Mountain G4 Lite 90 O2 System Mountain High EDS 4 IP 194 ELT Ameri-King AK-450 263 AOA Advanced Flight Sys AOA Sport 90 Compass Airpath C2300-L4 90 Rene' 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:27 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Isn't weight and balance an operating limitation. In certified airplanes it is found in the POH, but not including in our operating limitations letter. Again, no expert. Rene 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:08 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations letter says it must be carried on board, but I can't find anything regarding weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for part 135 ops and even that's not a POH. FWIW, Marcus 40286 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list operating limitations and weight and balance -----Original Message----- From: rvdave <davidbf(at)centurytel.net> Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:46 pm Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is: A-Airworthiness certificate R-Registration R-Radio License(no longer required) O-Operating Limitations W-Weight & Balance -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294266#294266 =================================== rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== http://www.matronic================ <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS via the Web <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> --> http://forums.matronics.comstyle='mso-spacerun:yes'> - List Contribution Web Site style='mso-spacerun:yes'> Thank you for your generous style='mso-spacerun:yes'> -Matt style='mso-spacerun:yes'> --> http://www.matronics.com/c <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 15, 2010
Subject: Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight
reboot issue)
From: Jim Combs <jiminlexky(at)gmail.com>
I am just now getting back to my PC, I got the note too. I am not bashing AFS in any way. They have some really nice stuff and they have done a ton of good things since my first 3500 installation. But a reboot caused by something like entering a airport identifier is a Number 1 issue and warrants a posted fix ASAP. I have worked for many years (30+) with embedded firmware and know how to rank problems. Customer is likely to find, Will cause reboot = Level 1, with ASAP releas e and notification to users Customer is likely to find, but workaround exists = Level 2, released wit h a scheduled release (Monthly) Customer is not likely to find = Level 3, worked on as time permits, released when ready. New function = Level 4, Work on as time permits, release when ready. All releases should have a problem fixed document along with the released code. I still am very happy with my choice of avionics! Its great stuff. Rob an d his team have done a lot of very good things. Jim Combs N312F - Flying On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:36 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) < rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> wrote: > Just a note in respect to AFS, Rob sent me a link to firmware with the > fix for this issue. I haven=92t tested it yet but at least it does exist . > > > Michael > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Olson > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:58 PM > > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential > in flight reboot issue) > > > True, according to the new rules, an efis failure is now an item requirin g > a filed report....just like some engine/prop/systems failures. I think i t's > good in that before there wasn't a real good way to know the count of > issues, an with the proliferation of TAA they now are wanting to know how > reliable systems are in the real world. Too many companies quote things > like "MTBF 10,000 hrs" when they may only have a few systems out in the > world with really low numbers of hours. > > Tim > > > On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Michael Kraus > wrote: > > Isn't that now a recordable incident with the FAA?? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Patrick Thyssen wrote: > > You should have it right at rotation and both blank out, Thanks OP > Patrick Thyssen > > --- On *Wed, 4/14/10, McGann, Ron * wrote: > > > From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann(at)ausawd.com> > Subject: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in > flight reboot issue) > To: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com" > Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:13 PM > > There is nothing more disconcerting than an inflight reboot of your AHRS. > I have a 3 screen GRT system with Com1 antenna on the belly and Com 2 > behind the cabin top aft fuse intersection. My AHRS is located on a tray > above and aft the battery box (=91standard location=92), but within two f eet of > the com2 antenna. Com 1 is primary, com 2 is backup. I had a minor prob lem > with the pax headset jacks that caused an intermittent open mic problem. > When I attempted to correct the problem by selecting com 2, the open mic > persisted, com 2 transmitted ' the com 2 antenna being too close to the AHRS > caused it to reboot. Having your PFD/MFD screens go blank at 3000=92 ain t > pretty ' but a great opportunity to use those backups (ASI, ALT) though t a > good idea during panel design. > > > Fixed the open mic problem and found and fixed a dodgy BNC connector on t he > com2 antenna (RF leak). But only use com 2 for receive (tx still causes the > AHRS to drift), pending relocation of the AHRS away from the antenna duri ng > the annual (this weekend!!) > > > Lessons learned: > > 1. put the magnetometer in the wingtip. > 2. don=92t have any tx antennas within 3=92 of the AHRS > 3. don=92t route any AHRS (or high sensitivity) electrical wiring in t he > same loom as a tx cable (including RG400) > > > Cheers > > Ron > > VH-XRM flying in Oz > ------------------------------ > > *From:* *owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com*[mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Combs > *Sent:* Wednesday, 14 April 2010 8:45 PM > *To:* *rv10-list(at)matronics.com* > *Subject:* RV10-List: Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issu e > > > Just a heads up for AFS 4500 users. > > We have just recently installed a 4500 in addition to the 3500 and have > discovered a potential in flight surprise. While dialing in the airport > identifier for Georgetown Ky (27K) the 4500 will reboot while entering th e > airport identifier at the MAP / Direct to menu of the 4500. It reboots o n > the third letter. I am not sure if any other airport identifiers are > triggers for the reboot. > > If you enter the airport identifier at the 430W or on the 3500 there are no > issues. Since we are using the 430W for the approaches anyway, there is a > work around. > > I talked to AFS about the problem and they said it was a known problem. > They currently don't have a planned software release to fix it. This > problem exists using the latests firmware and map data release. > > I found this while on the ground. I was glad I was not airborne. > > Thanks, Jim Combs > > N312F - Flying > > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > ============* > > ============* > > ============* > > ============* > > * * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Finishing up and Painting
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Apr 16, 2010
I found after finishing the plane and getting it flying that the hours upon hours of finish work on the composite parts were starting to drive me crazy. It was a real grind and dirty work compared to the build. If I had one suggestion on painting. Do as much as you can on the composite stuff to bring it to a high standard. Otherwise it is just lipstick on the pig. Most of my fellow EAA'ers locally seem to like the DCC Concept system for self painting. I never got even close to perfection on painting my interior parts, so I decided that: considering the toxicity of the acrylic urethane systems that I would farm it out to the pros. Cheap it is not, but spraying is a real art. You gotta respect those in the build community who can do it well. I could not. Currently in the paint shop - Jet Glo now being applied. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - phase 1 / painting Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294424#294424 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firewall access
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 16, 2010
This is what I ended up doing. I didn't want to run a hot hose through a hot center tunnel and Deems suggested that the FO side of the firewall has more access. I didn't have a lot of room because of rudder pedal access. I hope it works with the engine mount. I can use 90 deg fittings at the engine side if I need to. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294509#294509 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firewall access
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: Apr 16, 2010
I glassed out a bulge in my side panel to run the larger low pressure return line there. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294510#294510 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Woods" <twoods(at)sesa.af>
Subject: Re: Firewall access
Date: Apr 17, 2010
Hey all. This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am wondering about setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can make it any dimension then I might as well make it right... Tony Woods Not started anything yet!! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Firewall access
From: rwendell@hydro-splash.com
Date: Apr 17, 2010
I went with 4x8 ------Original Message------ From: Tony Woods Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access Sent: Apr 17, 2010 3:00 AM Hey all. This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am wondering about setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can make it any dimension then I might as well make it right... Tony Woods Not started anything yet!! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Re: Firewall access
Date: Apr 17, 2010
I went with two of the standard EAA benches. Small enough they don't get in the way in a two car garage, but when you put them end to end, just right for working on the wings. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rwendell@hydro-splash.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 7:17 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access I went with 4x8 ------Original Message------ From: Tony Woods Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ReplyTo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access Sent: Apr 17, 2010 3:00 AM Hey all. This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am wondering about setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can make it any dimension then I might as well make it right... Tony Woods Not started anything yet!! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: Re: Firewall access
Date: Apr 17, 2010
I have a 4x4 and a 4x8. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2010, at 3:00 AM, "Tony Woods" wrote: > > Hey all. > > This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my > empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. > > I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am > wondering about > setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from > scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can > make it > any dimension then I might as well make it right... > > Tony Woods > Not started anything yet!! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Re: Firewall access
Date: Apr 17, 2010
I already had a sturdy 4 X 8 workbench with a vise mounted on it. I added two fold up tables from Costco. They are easy to use, move and put out of the way when needed. Once i was working on the fuselage, I made a 4 X 6 platform ....about a foot high with carpet on the top.....to work on the fuselage and cabin top. Once I was ready to put the gear on, I put the fuselage up on the Costco table. Things to consider.... Dimbling table....where to build it and/or put it. You will need an 8 foot flat surface for the trailing edge of the flaps The wings are 12 feet long, I used the two fold up tables I had plenty of room in my garage during the summer because I could move my wife's car outside, but in the winter I could not use her side. So I had to shuffle stuff around to work. Unless you have plenty of room, I would not get to carried away building stuff until you need it. Items you may or may not need... Wing stands Fixture for wing leading edge and fuel tanks Fixture for flaps Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Woods Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:01 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access Hey all. This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am wondering about setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can make it any dimension then I might as well make it right... Tony Woods Not started anything yet!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Re: Firewall access
Date: Apr 17, 2010
One more thing. When you are building your table(s) you need to make sure at least one edge of the table deck extends beyond the table frame. For example while I was working on the wing, I clamped the spar to the table. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Woods Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:01 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access Hey all. This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am wondering about setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can make it any dimension then I might as well make it right... Tony Woods Not started anything yet!! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Vettermans plans
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Apr 17, 2010
It seems as though I have been shorted the instructions for the Vettermans exhaust system. I have 2 pages with some hand written drawings, but nothing else. Anybody have something they can PM or post? Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294541#294541 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2010
From: "Sean S. Blair" <dogsbark(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Firewall access
To make two benches, I got four of the adjustable sawhorses (Stanley) =C2 -and a couple solid core doors placed on top.=C2- This was good=C2-fo r reconfiguration and easy to take apart, then lean against the wall to get them out of the way. =C2-=C2- I think the doors were around $50.00 eac h.=C2- I was able to drill into them, then eventually dispose of them whe n finished.=C2- Over a period of years, it can cup a little=C2- ....jus t add a third sawhorse in the middle.=C2- Easier to clamp to these benche s, too. Also, used some of the tool chest liner that comes in rolls on top of the b enches.=C2- This kept aluminum fragments away from the parts and minimize d scratching. Here's a pic:=C2- http://websites.expercraft.com/seanb/images/55746378243 547ff171177.jpg Sean Blair COS RV-7A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:26:13 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access One more thing. =C2-When you are building your table(s) you need to make sure at least one edge of the table deck extends beyond the table frame. =C2-F or example while I was working on the wing, I clamped the spar to the table. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Woods Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:01 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access Hey all. This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out.


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