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Date: Jul 06, 2010
Mike Seager also had me put 50 lbs of lead shot/ sand in the baggage area to improve balance and trim on the first flights. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - finally done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303890#303890 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fwd: Foreflight Question
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Jul 06, 2010
As a follow-up to my earlier post, I flew home last night using Foreflight a nd got a different result. If you recall, on my maiden flight using Forefli ght, when I lost my cell phone signal (still had gps signal) a "cannot conne ct to Foreflight" window popped up and I could not get it to disappear. I w ould close the program, restart it and it would work fine until the pop up c ame up again. Same result. On this flight, when I lost the cell phone sign al, the pop up came up, and a single tap anywhere on the screen made the pop up go away and the program worked fine...... Originally no matter what I d id, the pop up would not disappear..... Not sure why the difference, but I was very happy with it's performance yest erday, as others have expressed. Thanks -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> > Date: July 3, 2010 8:19:41 AM EDT > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Foreflight Question > > I was flying yesterday using Foreflight on my iphone or the first time, an d after a bit I lost my cell phone signal (still had gps signal) and a "cann ot connect to Foreflight" window popped up and the program stopped. I had t he maps downloaded on the iPhone and I assumed it would work like SkyCharts d oes, with or without cell service. Are others seeing this? I shut the prog ram down, restarted, it worked for 10-20 seconds, then I got the message aga in. I was hoping I could somehow acknowledge the message and have the progr am continue normally, but no such luck. So I used SkyCharts the rest of the flight..... > -Mike Kraus > > Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AC cooling chest
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 06, 2010
Hey Guys, Here are some numbers. It was 110 degrees in my extended cab pick up this AM. I put 2 gal of water and 2 gal of ice (from the fridge ice maker) in the cooler. After 10 minutes of running the cooler, the ice was totally melted, cabin temp was 80, exit air from the cooler was 53, water temp was 45. I think with maybe one gal of water and much more bag ice, it would last much longer. Very comfortable, and not bad for a little experiment. It concerns me that when I pulled the plug out of the truck socket, it was more than warm to the touch. I dont have a way to measure the amps, but the voltage on the instrument cluster didnt vary when turning the cooler on and off (had the motor running). Maybe small truck wiring to the socket? The socket itself? The male plug has a 7.5 amp fuse built into it, and it was fine. Ill be sure to check that heat issue when I plug it into the plane. The air circulating over the ice/water didnt seem to be an issue sure felt cool and dry and the heater core was dripping condensate. But maybe later Ill try floating a thin piece of styrofoam on top to help separate the water/air Ill post more numbers from the plane later in the week. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303904#303904 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AC cooling chest
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 06, 2010
Sounds good Lew. That should give us enough time to get to cooler air temperatures then dump the 30 lbs of water overboard. Add a pull string to flush it out the bottom. You would definitely need something like that today...97F right now. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Grayson, KY Bldr# 40983 Ord complete kit 8/24/09; DB Sch del 11/20/09 Emp 12/01/09-3/14/10 332 hrs Wings 3/14/10- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303910#303910 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Foreflight Question
From: "rampil" <ira.rampil(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 06, 2010
Hi Kelly, Once the GPS chip has a useable set of signals, the cell connection makes no contribution to location accuracy. With enough sky and sats visible, you should routinely seen 5 m accuracy. I don't know if any of the current software is written to take advantage of the extra features of an external (BT) GPS yet - its a good question. Apparently, none of the software I've tried use the built in compass in the iPad either. As for SkyCharts, I've been using it on my phone for many months and more recently on the iPad. I find it a bit finicky when it comes to double tapping the screen to get the wx. I usually have to try a few times. I would think making the tap radius a pixel or two wider would help. The Foreflight system is much easier to get to AFD info and plates without fussing. This weekend when it was nearly 100F on Long Island, I took the iPad for another ride in the Europa. I laid it flat, face up on the pax seat when I turned on to the active. The yellow triangle of heat stroke appeared in 4 minutes. The case was 122F by my lab-cert IR temp probe. I haven't tried the ipad in actual yet, but then, if its cloudy and cool, maybe I can see the screen? -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303926#303926 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Full tanks for first flight?
Date: Jul 06, 2010
I encourage anyone getting ready for the first flight to go to the EAA webinars and listen through the "first flight in your homebuilt", in there there is reference to fuel, oil, flight plans.. etc.. In the meantime AC90-89 is a great source for the flight test period. It states 4 times the amount of fuel needed for the first flight- I take that to mean if I plan a 20-30 minute flight at 15GPH that would mean I need 8GPH for the first flight times 4 which is 24 Gallons. Start on page 33 of the AC 90-89a, gives all the details we all need for the prep and actual flights. Pascal No where near needing to think about the first flight but it's never too early to start anyway! -------------------------------------------------- From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:27 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Full tanks for first flight? > > Mike Seager also had me put 50 lbs of lead shot/ sand in the baggage area > to improve balance and trim on the first flights. > > -------- > OSH '10 or Bust > Q/B - finally done > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=303890#303890 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Masys, Daniel R" <dan.masys(at)vanderbilt.edu>
Date: Jul 06, 2010
Subject: Re: Full tanks for first flight?
On my RV-10 first flight back in July of 2007, as I went to full throttle I found myself mightily surprised when at full forward (climb pitch, flat pitch) on the RPM knob my RV-10 with a new fresh-from-the-factory IO-540 would only turn 2400 rpm, on a 95 degree day lifting off from an uphill runway. The plane felt like it was 'lugging' due to climbing with prop in cruise configuration, but it did climb about 800 ft per minute with half fuel, 50 pounds of sand in the baggage compartment, and just me (at 170 lbs) aboard. It was pretty exciting (in a negative way, given that my other plane at the time was a 2000+ fpm climbing RV-7A) and I was very glad to have a relatively light airplane for that first time around the patch. After adjusting the prop governor up to 2700 rpm dynamic for the second flight (still wasn't much more than 2400 static) the climb rate was up to about 1800 fpm the same afternoon. Half fuel sounds just about perfect for a first flight from my perspective. As old time EAA's say, "Keep it light and it will keep you happy." Next first flight will be the RV-12 later this summer, and ten of twenty possible gallons in the tank should be just right. -Dan Masys RV-10 N104LD 320 hrs RV-12 N122LD firewall forward -------------------------------------------- >From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com> >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Full tanks for first flight? >Think like a test pilot...20 -30 minute first flight, no more than 1/2 >tanks, 80 - 100 lbs of sand in baggage area, flame suit if you have one >or at least long cotton clothes and gloves, helmet, small fire axe...the >list goes on...get some good transition training and all this will be >covered. Don't be caught upside down in some field smelling fuel >thinking "wish I had planned this out a little better"! ----- Original Message ----- Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote: From the age-old advice of always taking as much fuel with you as possible when flying, I'm inclined to do my first flight with full tanks. Any reason not to? W&B seems reasonable. TDT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Door Latch Redux
Date: Jul 07, 2010
Hi A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut. Cheers Les #40643 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: PlaneAround 180 (retro) latch install with pics
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2010
This is Michael Schipper's building site. I just wanted everyone who is thinking of buying or installing a PlaneAround latch to see a great install that is well documented. Here it is: http://www.rvten.com/finish9.asp -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304087#304087 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Barnes" <rickbarnes(at)highlanddental.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2010
Subject: Door Latch Redux
We were able to install the180 degree latches from Sean. If you haven't painted the outside of the doors, these work really great. The latch cam engages early, lining up the door frame for the pins, and the door closes securely. The cam keeps the center of the door tight against the door frame. I don't know how the door will ever come off when it is latched this way. The installation was simple too. Rick From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:19 PM Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux Hi A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut. Cheers Les #40643 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Door Latch Redux
Date: Jul 07, 2010
I could not see putting the clunky Van's latch on the airplane. It is just plain ugly. I installed the 180 degree Plane Around system and recommend it with caveats and comments: 1. It works as advertised but at $470 for the retrofit kit it is overpriced. Perhaps some competition will help drive it down to a more value orientated price. 2. Be very careful not to strip out the threads in the nylon block. I did and ended up with a less than satisfactory repair by melting some of the nylon shaving you get fitting the blocks to fill then re-tap the holes. 3. I built up the bottom of the door to be flush across the door sill and had already finish painted the interior. Being very careful with a Dremmel Tool I cut a slot for the nylon catch (photos attached). The placement of the catch ended up slightly below the sill and does not interfere with getting in or out of the plane. 4. I already had the Rivet Head machined pins and pin blocks so I did not purchase the ones from Plane Around. Carl Froehlich RV-10 (systems install) RV-8A (550 hrs) From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:19 PM Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux Hi A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut. Cheers Les #40643 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door Latch Redux
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 07, 2010
I'm going with Matt Banks' mod, that Vern Darley used. I haven't seen anything better yet. John -------- #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304105#304105 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Door Latch Redux
Date: Jul 07, 2010
On the other hand: I don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properly and then closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do not penetrate the door frame sufficently to secure it or the sealing material makes it more difficult to close the door and the pins were not engaged before flight. I think that if we verify the doors are closed and latched we would have no problem with the existing latch system. Albert Gardner N9914RV Yuma, Az From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux Hi A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut. Cheers Les #40643 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Door Latch Redux
Date: Jul 07, 2010
Albert I agree 100% with your post. The problem is, being mere mortals, we will make mistakes. The question is how often and what are the consequences. If we can eliminate the risk, so much the better. Given there have already been so door departures in flight, it would seem that a little preventative medicine is in order. Just my $0.02 Cheers Les #40643 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner Sent: July-07-10 5:45 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux On the other hand: I don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properly and then closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do not penetrate the door frame sufficently to secure it or the sealing material makes it more difficult to close the door and the pins were not engaged before flight. I think that if we verify the doors are closed and latched we would have no problem with the existing latch system. Albert Gardner N9914RV Yuma, Az From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux Hi A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut. Cheers Les #40643 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Door Latch Redux
Date: Jul 07, 2010
Door Latch ReduxMine is the touchy feely system. Touch each pin once after the doors are closed and touch each pin again before takeoff. I did remake the pins extra long and cut to length as the location of the latch gear can alter the required length. ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert Gardner To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux On the other hand: I don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properly and then closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do not penetrate the door frame sufficently to secure it or the sealing material makes it more difficult to close the door and the pins were not engaged before flight. I think that if we verify the doors are closed and latched we would have no problem with the existing latch system. Albert Gardner N9914RV Yuma, Az From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux Hi A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut. Cheers Les #40643 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Trying to be Politically correct - 4th of July
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 07, 2010
AirMike wrote: > Yes the Kiwis are a great aviation country also........... > > My more important point is that we must work together to preserve our freedom to fly (every day) from the pointy pencil green weenies that will take our freedoms from us. Just last month the weenies at the Tahoe Regional Planning Agency tried to impose draconian restrictions on seaplane operations at Lake Tahoe. Only through the efforts a small group of Northern Calif. and Nevada airmen was the initiative quashed. It all depends on whose Ox is getting gored.... John -------- #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304115#304115 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Door Latch Redux
Date: Jul 07, 2010
Door Latch ReduxHas anyone had an issue with the doors with the aftermarket pins and aluminum versus plastic that Vans sells in their kits? I know of one builder who upgraded his and tells me his doors close every time now without an issue, which wasn't the case before he installed them. From: Albert Gardner Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux On the other hand: I don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properly and then closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do not penetrate the door frame sufficently to secure it or the sealing material makes it more difficult to close the door and the pins were not engaged before flight. I think that if we verify the doors are closed and latched we would have no problem with the existing latch system. Albert Gardner N9914RV Yuma, Az From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux Hi A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut. Cheers Les #40643 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door Latch Redux
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 07, 2010
You won't find a consensus on this question. The after market latches look and work good, but I can't see tossing $500 into the fix. The Van's latch, which I have seen and tried on Bill Steppling's 10, works just fine and is free. The two hand operation does not bother me and frankly, I don't know many aircraft doors/canopies that you can operate with one hand. Doing nothing is not an option for me. Being in the nuclear power business makes me cautious and conservative when it comes to safety. I also know a little about human factors engineering and in my opinion the doors in their unmodified state are an accident waiting to happen. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - FWF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304123#304123 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann(at)ausawd.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Subject: Door Latch Redux
Pascal et al, I have retained the standard Door design, and simply replaced the Delrin bl ocks with aluminium ones I made myself from =BC" stock (ie retain the basic Al tube pins). I have no issues with door closure or security. I do follow Albert's checklist and confirm pin penetration twice during pre flight, and I ALWAYS close the pax side door from the outside. Cheers Ron VH-XRM flying in Oz ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux Has anyone had an issue with the doors with the aftermarket pins and alumin um versus plastic that Vans sells in their kits? I know of one builder who upgraded his and tells me his doors close every time now without an issue, which wasn't the case before he installed them. From: Albert Gardner<mailto:ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux On the other hand: I don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properly and t hen closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do not pene trate the door frame sufficently to secure it or the sealing material makes it more difficult to close the door and the pins were not engaged before f light. I think that if we verify the doors are closed and latched we would have no problem with the existing latch system. Albert Gardner N9914RV Yuma, Az From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux Hi A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 9 0 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume th at the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut. Cheers Les #40643 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door Latch Redux
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Jul 07, 2010
I tend to be in Dave "Nukeflyboy's" camp. I am not that sold on the Van's fix, but I did install it on the Pilot side only. I want to use it for a few months and then tender an opinion before putting it on the passenger side. The two touch system is not that great, but it is a solid item after installation. Installation was about 5 hrs as you want the fix right and exact. The reverse detent is pretty fail safe at low speed, but how it will operate at 100+ kts is a real unknown. I presume that Vans tested it....????,,?>?>??>>??? One bonus is that the fit is loose, so when you land on a hot day you can open the door latch and get a small bit of air in the cabin -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - finally done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304130#304130 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Door Latch Redux
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Ask me at OSH. I have handles and pins from iflyrv10.com. I'm just finishing trimming the doors and hope to have the hardware installed before OSH. Bob From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:55 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux Has anyone had an issue with the doors with the aftermarket pins and aluminum versus plastic that Vans sells in their kits? I know of one builder who upgraded his and tells me his doors close every time now without an issue, which wasn't the case before he installed them. From: Albert Gardner <mailto:ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux On the other hand: I don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properly and then closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do not penetrate the door frame sufficently to secure it or the sealing material makes it more difficult to close the door and the pins were not engaged before flight. I think that if we verify the doors are closed and latched we would have no problem with the existing latch system. Albert Gardner N9914RV Yuma, Az From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux Hi A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut. Cheers Les #40643 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door Latch Redux
From: Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2010
That's great. I am around again if you still want the cord Sent from my iPhone On Jul 8, 2010, at 3:47, "Bob Leffler" wrote: > Ask me at OSH. > > > > I have handles and pins from iflyrv10.com. I=99m just finishing tr imming the doors and hope to have the hardware installed before OSH. > > > > Bob > > > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:55 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux > > > > Has anyone had an issue with the doors with the aftermarket pins and alumi num versus plastic that Vans sells in their kits? I know of one builder who u pgraded his and tells me his doors close every time now without an issue, wh ich wasn't the case before he installed them. > > > > > From: Albert Gardner > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:45 PM > > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux > > > > On the other hand: > > I don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properly and t hen closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do not penet rate the door frame sufficently to secure it or the sealing material makes i t more difficult to close the door and the pins were not engaged before flig ht. I think that if we verify the doors are closed and latched we would have no problem with the existing latch system. > > Albert Gardner > > N9914RV > > Yuma, Az > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux > > > > Hi > > A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. > > Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 9 0 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume tha t the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Subject: Arlington?
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
Anyone planning on being at the Arlington fly-in this weekend? -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N52KS is now an airplane!
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
N52KS is now an airplane after its inspection yesterday! Not too many squawks except not enough threads showing through on a couple of non-structural bolts, and the fact that the engraver added an extra zero in our serial number on the data plate! (We were allowed to obliterate the extra zero with the Dremel so now the data plate is correct, if somewhat ugly.) As General McPeak used to say, "See you on the flightline." Tim Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 40025 tdt(at)aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Door Latch Redux
Early on in the discussions Van's said they have not tested the SB latch and it would be too dangerous to test. I tend to agree. I also agree that if the doors are built correct you should never have a problem with the doors. My indicator light work great, I wired all four pins to one light. After seeing Sean's system work I was impressed and decided to buy one too. I have really liked it and it makes it almost impossible not to close correctly. I could have a jacket hanging out the back that may keep the rear pin from going in but I would still have an indicator light on and the cam should keep the door on. If you are still evaluating the different designs just wait a couple of weeks for Oshkosh. I also really like his 45 degree pins. I have the stock seals from Van's and my pilot side rear has the largest gap that has problems with the bullet style where the 45 degree system allows you to close the largest gap. It will be fun opening and closing all the doors and different systems. I want to find a non-bias judge to evaluate all the "third latch" systems and award the winner with something. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com ________________________________ From: AirMike <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 9:39:40 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door Latch Redux I tend to be in Dave "Nukeflyboy's" camp. I am not that sold on the Van's fix, but I did install it on the Pilot side only. I want to use it for a few months and then tender an opinion before putting it on the passenger side. The two touch system is not that great, but it is a solid item after installation. Installation was about 5 hrs as you want the fix right and exact. The reverse detent is pretty fail safe at low speed, but how it will operate at 100+ kts is a real unknown. I presume that Vans tested it....????,,?>?>??>>??? One bonus is that the fit is loose, so when you land on a hot day you can open the door latch and get a small bit of air in the cabin -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - finally done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304130#304130 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door Latch Redux
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 08, 2010
> I do follow Alberts checklist and confirm pin penetration twice during preflight, and I ALWAYS close the pax side door from the outside. > > Cheers > Ron > VH-XRM flying in Oz I would agree but I can see a passenger sweating bullets in a long taxi line finally yanking it open for air, with the apology that they will make sure it's closed before takeoff.... John -------- #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304232#304232 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Firewall temp?
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
Anyone got an idea what the ambient temps are like on the engine side of the firewall? Obviously there's a range, but what might that range be? Maybe eventually I'll hang a temperature probe out there and see what it says . .. Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 40025 tdt(at)aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door Latch Redux
From: "Ron B." <cfxoa(at)klis.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2010
I can see someone opening it up after you closed it and went into the hangar to get something you forgot. They are thinking how hard can it be to close? I would rather have a door that others can close . I will still close the door for my passengers but if they mistakenly were the last ones to close the door I would expect it to be close. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304242#304242 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Stella" <Sstella(at)incisaledge.com>
Subject: N52KS is now an airplane!
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Congrats Tim, Now that's its officially an airplane when is first flight. Steve Stella #40654 Wings N521RV reserved _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:36 PM Subject: RV10-List: N52KS is now an airplane! N52KS is now an airplane after its inspection yesterday! Not too many squawks except not enough threads showing through on a couple of non-structural bolts, and the fact that the engraver added an extra zero in our serial number on the data plate! (We were allowed to obliterate the extra zero with the Dremel so now the data plate is correct, if somewhat ugly.) As General McPeak used to say, "See you on the flightline." Tim Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 40025 tdt(at)aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Re: N52KS is now an airplane!
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote: Yea!. Congratulations. Now the fun begins. Dr Fred. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N52KS is now an airplane!
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Congratulations. Have fun! -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Grayson, KY Bldr# 40983 Ord complete kit 8/24/09; DB Sch del 11/20/09 Emp 12/01/09-3/14/10 332 hrs Wings 3/14/10- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304266#304266 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Re: N52KS is now an airplane!
Congrats Tim! Still have an Avidyne panel? -Sean #40303 Slow-build fuse On 7/8/10 2:36 PM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote: > > N52KS is now an airplane after its inspection yesterday! > > Not too many squawks except not enough threads showing through on a > couple of non-structural bolts, and the fact that the engraver added > an extra zero in our serial number on the data plate! (We were > allowed to obliterate the extra zero with the Dremel so now the data > plate is correct, if somewhat ugly.) > > As General McPeak used to say, "See you on the flightline." > > Tim > > Tim Dawson-Townsend > > RV-10 40025 > > tdt(at)aurora.aero > > 617-500-4812 (office) > > 617-905-4800 (mobile) > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: Steven Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com>
Subject: [RV Builders] UFO Alert - EAA 21 Club Fly-In Lunch at KEHR
This Saturday is the monthly EAA 21 Club Fly-In Lunch. We will be preparing Hamburgers, Brats and Hot Dogs for all that fly-in. Just as New York's 21 Club has become known as the HAPPENING PLACE to be and be seen, EAA 21 Club is the place to be on the first Saturday (with a couple of exceptions THIS MONTH BEING ONE) each month. When: July 10, August 14, September 4, October 2 10:00 AM till 2:00 PM Central time Where: Henderson Kentucky City-County Airport (KEHR) If KEHR is VFR then we are grilling the best gourmet hamburgers, brats and hot dogs this side of Sporty's for all that fly or drive in. Steve Eberhart Program Chairman EAA Chapter 21 Evansvile, IN http://www.eaa21.org ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: N52KS is now an airplane!
Date: Jul 09, 2010
How did you know Tony?? On Jul 8, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote: > N52KS is now an airplane after its inspection yesterday! > > Not too many squawks except not enough threads showing through on a > couple of non-structural bolts, and the fact that the engraver added > an extra zero in our serial number on the data plate! (We were > allowed to obliterate the extra zero with the Dremel so now the data > plate is correct, if somewhat ugly.) > > As General McPeak used to say, =93See you on the flightline.=94 > > Tim > > Tim Dawson-Townsend > RV-10 40025 > tdt(at)aurora.aero > 617-500-4812 (office) > 617-905-4800 (mobile) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Door gas strut attach bracket replacement
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Jul 09, 2010
I made a set of these for my plane and I would like some feedback. These move the strut a little lower so the hinge covers don't interfere with the strut. They also have a cutout for the McMasterCarr seal. The geometry is basically the same as the stock bracket. They are made out of nylon and can withstand a lot of abuse. I have been letting my doors spring open and shutter at the extent to test the strength of the nylon. I have done this probably sixty times and so far so good. They are drilled and threaded so they can be retro-fitted or newly installed. No nutplates needed. Oh ya, they come with a short 1/4 inch bushing for installation instead of the 4 washers. Sorry for the crappy picture. -------- Cust. #40936 RV-10 SB Fuselage N801VR reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304345#304345 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_210.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door gas strut attach bracket replacement
From: "rvdave" <davidbf(at)centurytel.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2010
I like them, how much are you asking for a set? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304379#304379 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N52KS is now an airplane!
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Jul 09, 2010
Welcome to the Wright Bros Club. Sincere congratulations and time to toot your horn. Fly carefully and do not rush those first hours. Make sure that you put it up on Vans first flights. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - finally done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304382#304382 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door gas strut attach bracket replacement
From: Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Jul 10, 2010
Vans sells them at 24.40 each. I was thinking 40 for both in the long run and if there is a demand. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2010, at 22:00, "rvdave" wrote: > > I like them, how much are you asking for a set? > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304379#304379 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: Re: Door gas strut attach bracket replacement
Date: Jul 10, 2010
Put me down for a set shoot me a e-mail how you want paid for them. John G. Cumins President 2499 B1 Martin Rd Fairfield Ca 94534 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax Your Total Technology Solution Provider -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Seano Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:22 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door gas strut attach bracket replacement Vans sells them at 24.40 each. I was thinking 40 for both in the long run and if there is a demand. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2010, at 22:00, "rvdave" wrote: > > I like them, how much are you asking for a set? > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304379#304379 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <karolamy(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List Digest: OSH 2010
Date: Jul 10, 2010
For all those OSH bound here is a little excitement, and for those who can't make it hope you enjoy it too! Rich Hansen RV-6A ( 8x fly in veteran to OSH, this year driving 6,000 miles so family can come) RV-10 (fiberglass kit., uh, .... I mean finishing kit, STILL!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDwjguYqLuk&playnext_from=TL&videos=L1c_G9YwKGA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2010
From: Tim Lewis <TimRVator(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Door Latch Redux
Before first flight I installed the stock Van's safety latch. Installation wasn't very hard -- I just had to be careful because my plane was already painted. I now have 80+ hours on the plane, and I like the safety latch. The safety latch gives a very satisfying "thunk" when it engages... such that I know the door is properly aligned and ready for the main pins to engage. There's never any question about pin misalignment, no worry about the pins missing the guides and gouging the paint. When working around the plane (mx work, loading, whatever) on a breezy ramp, it is very easy to close the door and push to engage the safety latch, without having to reach and turn the handle. This protects the door from popping open and getting damaged by wind, yet leaves the door easy to open to complete the mx work, loading, etc. And the price is right. -- Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) RV-6A N47TD -- 1090 hrs RV-10 N31TD -- First Flight 20 Mar 2010 Les Kearney said the following on 7/7/2010 4:19 PM: > > Hi > > A few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. > > Is there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's > latches / 90 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth > pursuing? I'll assume that the latches from the iron works at Van's > don't make the cut. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Door Latch Redux
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Jul 11, 2010
Convenience is a plus. I have my plane in a hanger and do not lock it but I like to have the door closed (mice, dust, etc). It is easy because you can just latch it without engaging the pins, and it is easy to open in the hanger also without having to throw the handle. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - finally done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304466#304466 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)cox.net>
Subject: nose wheel vibration
Date: Jul 11, 2010
For some time we have been experiencing vibration of the nose wheel at the end of a landing when just about stopped. We recently increased the breakout force and reduced inflation in the nose tire to 38 psi. We also relaxed back pressure when braking at the end of the landing run. these steps seemed to have cured the problem. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2010
Subject: nose wheel vibration
I had some difficult vibration to track down till we lifted the nose wheel and shook the front gear only to find the entire gear leg was vibrating due to a loose fitting bushing. Not too exciting video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmT38rDenwA We had a custom bushing milled and it solved the uncommon vibration vs. the standard Vans nose wheel vibration issues. Check how solid the nose gear leg is when un-weighted if you cannot solve your vibration issues. Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *DLM *Sent:* Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:13 PM *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com *Subject:* RV10-List: nose wheel vibration For some time we have been experiencing vibration of the nose wheel at the end of a landing when just about stopped. We recently increased the breakout force and reduced inflation in the nose tire to 38 psi. We also relaxed back pressure when braking at the end of the landing run. these steps seemed to have cured the problem. * * * * * * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: nose wheel vibration
Date: Jul 11, 2010
We were on jacks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:43 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: nose wheel vibration I had some difficult vibration to track down till we lifted the nose wheel and shook the front gear only to find the entire gear leg was vibrating due to a loose fitting bushing. Not too exciting video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmT38rDenwA We had a custom bushing milled and it solved the uncommon vibration vs. the standard Vans nose wheel vibration issues. Check how solid the nose gear leg is when un-weighted if you cannot solve your vibration issues. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:13 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: nose wheel vibration For some time we have been experiencing vibration of the nose wheel at the end of a landing when just about stopped. We recently increased the breakout force and reduced inflation in the nose tire to 38 psi. We also relaxed back pressure when braking at the end of the landing run. these steps seemed to have cured the problem. = Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browseDay Browse, Chat, FAQ, w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?R V1====================== m">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution============ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N52KS has flown!
Date: Jul 11, 2010
From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
N52KS parted company with the ground this afternoon around 3:30. The weatherman's predictions of rain and overcast all day did not hold out and we had a beautiful day with favorable winds. Flew 30 minutes in the first flight. Everything looked good afterwards, and the weather was so nice we did another hour before the day was done. No major squawks, just a heavy left wing we'll have to look at. See you at Oshkosh . . . 2011. TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 40025 tdt(at)aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: N52KS has flown!
Date: Jul 11, 2010
Congrats. I also had a heavy left wing...I re-rigged the flaps, and ailerons...still heavy. Then, threw a couple of hundred pounds in the right seat..no more heavy left wing... Full right tank is always in order when you fly solo...burn out the left and keep it low. Rene' 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:16 PM Subject: RV10-List: N52KS has flown! N52KS parted company with the ground this afternoon around 3:30. The weatherman's predictions of rain and overcast all day did not hold out and we had a beautiful day with favorable winds. Flew 30 minutes in the first flight. Everything looked good afterwards, and the weather was so nice we did another hour before the day was done. No major squawks, just a heavy left wing we'll have to look at. See you at Oshkosh . . . 2011. TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 40025 tdt(at)aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 11, 2010
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: N52KS has flown!
Congrats Tim.... one more added to our family! Don McDonald 170 hours and counting... Osh next. --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote: From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero> Subject: RV10-List: N52KS has flown! Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 7:16 PM N52KS parted company with the ground this afternoon around 3:30.=C2- The weatherman=99s predictions of rain and overcast all day did not hold out and we had a beautiful day with favorable winds.=C2- =C2- Flew 30 minutes in the first flight.=C2- Everything looked good afterward s, and the weather was so nice we did another hour before the day was done. =C2- =C2- No major squawks, just a heavy left wing we=99ll have to look at. =C2- See you at Oshkosh . . . 2011. =C2- TDT =C2- =C2- Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10=C2- 40025 tdt(at)aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) =C2-=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Accommodation at Aurora / Vans for a night & also Leadville
Date: Jul 12, 2010
Can any please suggest somewhere for my wife & I to stay for a night or two, sometime around 19-21 July with our RV10 (depending upon weather) while we visit Vans and the Spruce Goose museum. Someone did offer a couple of years ago, & I'm sorry but I've lost the details. We plan to arrive early afternoon & visit Vans, then next day to the Spruce Goose, and will be leaving early next morning to Salt Lake City (via Mt St Helens). We're also looking for recommendations for Leadville for a night. If things go according to plan, we'll see you all at Osh. Neil & sarah ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2010
Subject: N52KS has flown!
Congratulations Tim - it's been a long time in the making! Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Visual proof
Date: Jul 12, 2010
From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
Here's visual proof that N52KS has flown! For a takeoff video, go here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eandersk/4785479610/ For some air-to-air stills, go here: http://concept2completion.net/bloggerpics/rv10/index2.html There's also a landing video (no sound) on the first page of that collection. Yes I did land a little long, but that was partially on purpose! TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 40025 tdt(at)aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Oshkosh Options
Date: Jul 12, 2010
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
I am again offering beds in the classic brick Oshkosh house that I rent each year. The house comes with B&B style beds, central air for those hot or humid nights, newly remodeled kitchen, HDTV (with video input for your daily shots), fresh towels, cold beer and toiletry service. I will transport campers each day to/from Airventure 2010. Available from Saturday, July 24th through Sunday, August 1 for $250 per occupant = nine days. Send me a email with your phone number and I will promptly callback to secure your First Class accomodations. It is way beyond, camping in a tent or staying in a Dorm at UW-OSH. John Cox johnwcox at pacificnw.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N52KS has flown!
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2010
Great to hear. Another one flying. Congrats. I go to the airport with mine in August. Shouldn't be too far behind. Happy flying. Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304599#304599 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Secret Weapon
Date: Jul 12, 2010
From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
Robin noticed, so to head off rabid speculation, we installed in our airplane a Magnum ballistic parachute system. The chutes (2) and rocket (1) live on the starboard side of the baggage compartment and fire through the roof. Two riser cables lead from there along the sides to brackets on the spar at the wing roots, while one cable goes over the top to a bracket at the nose gear/motor mount interface. It only probably added a year to the project to engineer and install that . . . TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 40025 tdt(at)aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N52KS has flown!
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 12, 2010
Way to go Tim! Keep us posted on how she flies and if there is something to the heavy wing other than heavy pilot. It's a great feeling and you must be 300 and something flying 10s. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - FWF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304625#304625 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Secret Weapon
Date: Jul 12, 2010
I was about to bite too, I guess now the tower will really call you "Cirrus cleared to taxi". ;>) Great job! -Chris Lucas #40072 Still plugging away From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 3:59 PM Subject: RV10-List: Secret Weapon Robin noticed, so to head off rabid speculation, we installed in our airplane a Magnum ballistic parachute system. The chutes (2) and rocket (1) live on the starboard side of the baggage compartment and fire through the roof. Two riser cables lead from there along the sides to brackets on the spar at the wing roots, while one cable goes over the top to a bracket at the nose gear/motor mount interface. It only probably added a year to the project to engineer and install that . . . TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 40025 tdt(at)aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2010
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Accommodation at Aurora / Vans for a night & also Leadville
Neil & Sarah Sorry I can't help with lodging in OR. Were you able to get clearance to fly the Grand Canyon? Judy and I are planning on departing Phoenix Very early am on Fri. Jul 23. Weather permitting we're going to head north and then cross the Rockies at LaVeta pass Colorado. We'll probably spend the night somewhere along the way, and then arrive OSH Sat Jul 24. Would love to hook up and fly part of the way with you guys, below are our cell phone numbers. Best Wishes and Safe Journey Deems Davis 623 521 2000 Cell Judy Davis Cell 602 743 5015 On 7/12/2010 12:31 AM, Neil & Sarah Colliver wrote: > > Can any please suggest somewhere for my wife & I to stay for a night > or two, sometime around 19-21 July with our RV10 (depending upon > weather) while we visit Vans and the Spruce Goose museum. Someone did > offer a couple of years ago, & I'm sorry but I've lost the details. > > We plan to arrive early afternoon & visit Vans, then next day to the > Spruce Goose, and will be leaving early next morning to Salt Lake City > (via Mt St Helens). > > We're also looking for recommendations for Leadville for a night. > > If things go according to plan, we'll see you all at Osh. > > Neil & sarah > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: First Flight
From: "velo" <rickbarnes(at)highlanddental.com>
Date: Jul 14, 2010
July 13th at 7:30 am N865HB took its first flight. The plane performed as advertised, GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All temps and pressures were normal. Mike and I would like to thank all who have gone before. You kept us from making too many mistakes. And a special thanks to Scott Schmidt for his help and patience with my transition training. This is truly a community. Rick Barnes Mike Howe Photos: http://www.etigerrr.com/Default.htm Photos and video: http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/Other/Mike-and-Ricks-RV-10-First/12917339_RhEFF#933451228_NXiTL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304762#304762 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2010
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: First Flight
Congrats, and welcome to the flying group.... the more the better. Don McDonald --- On Wed, 7/14/10, velo wrote: From: velo <rickbarnes(at)highlanddental.com> Subject: RV10-List: First Flight Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 9:03 AM July 13th at 7:30 am N865HB took its first flight.- The plane performed a s advertised, GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- All temps and pressures were normal. Mike and I would like to thank all who have gone before.- You kept us fro m making too many mistakes.- And a special thanks to Scott Schmidt for hi s help and patience with my transition training.- This is truly a communi ty. Rick Barnes- - Mike Howe Photos:- - http://www.etigerrr.com/Default.htm Photos and video:- - - http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/Other/Mike-an d-Ricks-RV-10-First/12917339_RhEFF#933451228_NXiTL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304762#304762 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First Flight
From: "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Congratulations.. I just got my 40 hours flown off of my -10 and I know the great feeling you have making the first flight. I still have the RV grin, but it may be still from the first flight of my rv8. Greg... -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304775#304775 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Last bump - need to have funds in hand no later than tomorrow PM if you would like to camp with the RV-10 group. Here's the current list http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2010_Campsites.html Even if you're not camping with us, feel free to swing by - there's usually a group of us every evening. We'll probably also do at least 1 or 2 large cookouts for all RV-10 builders/enthusiasts with info to come later. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304781#304781 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "McGann, Ron" <Ron.McGann(at)ausawd.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Subject: First Flight
Congratulations Rick! But the real thanks should go to you both, and especially Mike. I started my project not long after you, and your website was an IMMENSE value for me - never having tackled something like this before. My lunchtimes and coffee breaks were often spent exploring your extensive documentation, and it was great watching not just yours, but Tim's and James McClow's builds evolve. (It did not take long to discover who the high quality builders were!) So thanks for helping me get to 'done' and letting me share your journey! Cheers Ron VH-XRM, flying in Oz -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of velo Sent: Thursday, 15 July 2010 2:04 AM Subject: RV10-List: First Flight July 13th at 7:30 am N865HB took its first flight. The plane performed as advertised, GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All temps and pressures were normal. Mike and I would like to thank all who have gone before. You kept us from making too many mistakes. And a special thanks to Scott Schmidt for his help and patience with my transition training. This is truly a community. Rick Barnes Mike Howe Photos: http://www.etigerrr.com/Default.htm Photos and video: http://scottandranae.smugmug.com/Other/Mike-and-Ricks-RV-10-First/12917339_RhEFF#933451228_NXiTL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304762#304762 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping
Date: Jul 14, 2010
From: "Brent P. Humphreys" <bhumphreys(at)stonetek.com>
I sure hope there will be more flying -10's there. Last year was a treat. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Last bump - need to have funds in hand no later than tomorrow PM if you would like to camp with the RV-10 group. Here's the current list http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2010_Campsites.html Even if you're not camping with us, feel free to swing by - there's usually a group of us every evening. We'll probably also do at least 1 or 2 large cookouts for all RV-10 builders/enthusiasts with info to come later. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304781#304781 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bill Gipson <gipsowh(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping
Date: Jul 14, 2010
Bob=2C just as an update=2C we plan to arrive in N730WL on Friday morning =2C June 23 and will camp with the group for the entire week departing on M onday=2C August 2. Thanks=2C Bill Gipson Conroe=2C TX > Subject: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > From: bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com > Date: Wed=2C 14 Jul 2010 11:29:56 -0700 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > Last bump - need to have funds in hand no later than tomorrow PM if you w ould like to camp with the RV-10 group. Here's the current list http://www. myrv10.com/osh/2010_Campsites.html > > Even if you're not camping with us=2C feel free to swing by - there's usu ally a group of us every evening. We'll probably also do at least 1 or 2 la rge cookouts for all RV-10 builders/enthusiasts with info to come later. > > Bob > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304781#304781 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with H otmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid= PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
From: Vijay Pisini <vijaypisini(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping
Bob, This is my first post on Matronics RV-10 list but have been following the list (somewhat) for some time. I'm Vijay Pisinifrom Cedar Rapids, IA. I'll be in Osh the whole week except for one day on 7/28. I would like to camp with you all. Please let me know the details as to how much I need to pay and to who. I'll be flying a C-172 and arriving on Sunday 7/25 with a friend of mine and will leave on 7/27. I'll be back in Osh by car on 7/29 and will leave Osh on 8/1. By the way, I had my first RV-10 ride on Tim's N104CD in Aug'09 from Menominie, WI. He was very generous and explained a whole lot and let me fly his plane for some time. Just finished Emp and started on std wings (www.vijaypisini.com). Thanks. vj ----- Original Message ---- From: bcondrey <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 1:29:56 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Last bump - need to have funds in hand no later than tomorrow PM if you would like to camp with the RV-10 group. Here's the current list http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2010_Campsites.html Even if you're not camping with us, feel free to swing by - there's usually a group of us every evening. We'll probably also do at least 1 or 2 large cookouts for all RV-10 builders/enthusiasts with info to come later. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304781#304781 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Bob I will be flying in in N829GW on 7-24 and leaving 7-31 Thanks Geoff Geoff Combs President Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Last bump - need to have funds in hand no later than tomorrow PM if you would like to camp with the RV-10 group. Here's the current list http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2010_Campsites.html Even if you're not camping with us, feel free to swing by - there's usually a group of us every evening. We'll probably also do at least 1 or 2 large cookouts for all RV-10 builders/enthusiasts with info to come later. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304781#304781 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Subject: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping
Got it, thx Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Combs Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:12 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Bob I will be flying in in N829GW on 7-24 and leaving 7-31 Thanks Geoff Geoff Combs President Aerosport Modeling & Design 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Last bump - need to have funds in hand no later than tomorrow PM if you would like to camp with the RV-10 group. Here's the current list http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2010_Campsites.html Even if you're not camping with us, feel free to swing by - there's usually a group of us every evening. We'll probably also do at least 1 or 2 large cookouts for all RV-10 builders/enthusiasts with info to come later. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304781#304781 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 15, 2010
Subject: Santa Barbara
From: bruce breckenridge <bbreckenridge(at)gmail.com>
If there's anybody familiar with Santa Barbara, my wife and I are planning a mid/early week visit next week. Which FBO do we use? We'll need a car to see the sights, so a rental will be necessary for the day. Last of course, "which sights?"! An old mission, a wonderful seafood lunch, a walk on the peir, etc... Lend me your ideas! Thanks! Bruce Breckenridge Happy Valley, OR 40018 wings, 7s9 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Santa Barbara
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jul 15, 2010
KSBA is "upscale", e.g., expensive. Signature and Atlantic are the FBO's. Both charge a handling fee ($39??) as soon as you show up. Waived with a minimum gas purchase. 100LL is something like $5/gal, although 50 cents cheaper on the weekends at Signature. Parking is $15 a night, last time we were there. They can get you a rental car. My preference is for Signature. (Atlantic seems to cater to the jet crowd.) Expensive, but good service. Plan to buy gas to avoid the handling charge. I hear there is a new, third fbo, selling self serve fuel well under the price of the others. But I don't know if they offer parking or rental cars. Lots to do in Santa Barbara. Visit the UC campus if you just want to walk around a nice place. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305019#305019 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Firewall And Two Fwd K1000-3
On page 27-5 there are two K1000-3 nutplates that are called out as being on the forward side of the firewall. Step 7 on page 27-2 also calls your attention to these two nutplates as being on the forward side. My question is how are these attached? The plans call for dimpling all the attach holes for a flush head rivet on the fwd side of the firewall, but that doesn't seem correct for the four mounting holes for these two nutplates. But the rivet callouts for these nutplates on page 27-5 still call for flush rivets for mounting these two nutplates. Manufactured head on aft side of firewall for these two nutplates and no forward side dimple? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Subject: Firewall And Two Fwd K1000-3
At least 1 of those nutplates are for attaching the adel clamps that secure the heat control cables. Dimple flush on the aft side of the firewall with the nutplates on the forward side to provide for mounting these adel clamps on the aft (cabin) side of the firewall. The cables are routed through the oval shaped hole near those nutplates and then further secured with adel clamps on the forward side. This is shown much later in the plans - page FF1-3. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: RV10-List: Firewall And Two Fwd K1000-3 On page 27-5 there are two K1000-3 nutplates that are called out as being on the forward side of the firewall. Step 7 on page 27-2 also calls your attention to these two nutplates as being on the forward side. My question is how are these attached? The plans call for dimpling all the attach holes for a flush head rivet on the fwd side of the firewall, but that doesn't seem correct for the four mounting holes for these two nutplates. But the rivet callouts for these nutplates on page 27-5 still call for flush rivets for mounting these two nutplates. Manufactured head on aft side of firewall for these two nutplates and no forward side dimple? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AC cooling chest
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Hey Guys, OK, I flew with Wes for the first time to check out the ice A/C. (Flying was OK, but building is still my thing!) I didnt have a thermometer for the actual inside temp, but on the taxiway it was HOT instant sweat hot. As soon as the engine was cranked, I turned on the air with the two 4 inch ducts just hand held between the pilot/copilot seats (Ill probably come up with a tunnel console later) and there is immediate relief. Cool, dry air and complete comfort by take off. I immediately turned off the air during climb out to save ice, and to not add any unnecessary load during critical times. When at cruise I noticed that the amp draw on the instrument panel was at 1. Turning the cooler on and off, it pulls a little over 7 amps. I turned it on again at touch down to shut off. The male plug into the socket was not hot after using it. Two store bought bags of ice lasted for two take offs and landings, with plenty of cold water left in the cooler, but no ice. There is enough room for 4 or five bags of ice in the cooler if you wanted to run it longer or do more take offs and landings. Your mileage may vary, keep weight in mind. The first pilot to see this at the hangar, asked me to make one for him, which I did. Total cost with shipping would be $250. New 48 qt. cooler, new fans, hoses, ducts, switches, etc. used heater core. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305082#305082 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Subject: Re: Firewall And Two Fwd K1000-3
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
The other one is used to secure the brake lines on the aft side of the firewall. Make the dimples flush on the aft side. -Rob On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) < bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> wrote: > bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> > > At least 1 of those nutplates are for attaching the adel clamps that secure > the heat control cables. Dimple flush on the aft side of the firewall with > the nutplates on the forward side to provide for mounting these adel clamps > on the aft (cabin) side of the firewall. The cables are routed through the > oval shaped hole near those nutplates and then further secured with adel > clamps on the forward side. This is shown much later in the plans - page > FF1-3. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:16 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Firewall And Two Fwd K1000-3 > > > On page 27-5 there are two K1000-3 nutplates that are called out as > being on the forward side of the firewall. Step 7 on page 27-2 also > calls your attention to these two nutplates as being on the forward side. > > My question is how are these attached? The plans call for dimpling all > the attach holes for a flush head rivet on the fwd side of the firewall, > but that doesn't seem correct for the four mounting holes for these two > nutplates. But the rivet callouts for these nutplates on page 27-5 > still call for flush rivets for mounting these two nutplates. > > Manufactured head on aft side of firewall for these two nutplates and no > forward side dimple? > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Sean #40303 > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Subject: Re: RV10-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 07/15/10
From: Ted Chang <tc1234c(at)roadrunner.com>
RV10-List Digest Server wrote: >* > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > >Today's complete RV10-List Digest can also be found in either of the >two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted >in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >of the RV10-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >such as Notepad or with a web browser. > >HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-07-15&Archive=RV10 > >Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-07-15&Archive=RV10 > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV10-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Thu 07/15/10: 5 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >Today's Message Index: >---------------------- > > 1. 12:23 AM - Re: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping (Vijay Pisini) > 2. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping (Geoff Combs) > 3. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) > 4. 03:38 PM - Santa Barbara (bruce breckenridge) > 5. 07:25 PM - Re: Santa Barbara (Bob Turner) > > > >________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > >From: Vijay Pisini <vijaypisini(at)yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Bob, > >This is my first post on Matronics RV-10 list but have been following the list > >(somewhat) for some time. > >I'm Vijay Pisinifrom Cedar Rapids, IA. I'll be in Osh the whole week except >for one day on 7/28. I would like to camp with you all. Please let me know the > >details as to how much I need to pay and to who. I'll be flying a C-172 and >arriving on Sunday 7/25 with a friend of mine and will leave on 7/27. I'll be >back in Osh by car on 7/29 and will leave Osh on 8/1. > >By the way, I had my first RV-10 ride on Tim's N104CD in Aug'09 from Menominie, > >WI. He was very generous and explained a whole lot and let me fly his plane for > >some time. Just finished Emp and started on std wings (www.vijaypisini.com). >Thanks. > > >vj > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: bcondrey <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> >Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 1:29:56 PM >Subject: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Last bump - need to have funds in hand no later than tomorrow PM if you would >like to camp with the RV-10 group. Here's the current list >http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2010_Campsites.html > >Even if you're not camping with us, feel free to swing by - there's usually a >group of us every evening. We'll probably also do at least 1 or 2 large >cookouts for all RV-10 builders/enthusiasts with info to come later. > >Bob > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304781#304781 > > >________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > >From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Bob I will be flying in in N829GW on 7-24 and leaving 7-31 > >Thanks Geoff > >Geoff Combs >President >Aerosport Modeling & Design >8090 Howe Industrial Parkway >Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 >614-834-5227p >614-834-5230f >www.aerosportmodeling.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey >Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:30 PM >Subject: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Last bump - need to have funds in hand no later than tomorrow PM if you >would like to camp with the RV-10 group. Here's the current list >http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2010_Campsites.html > >Even if you're not camping with us, feel free to swing by - there's usually >a group of us every evening. We'll probably also do at least 1 or 2 large >cookouts for all RV-10 builders/enthusiasts with info to come later. > >Bob > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304781#304781 > > >________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > >From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Got it, thx > >Bob > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Combs >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:12 PM >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Bob I will be flying in in N829GW on 7-24 and leaving 7-31 > >Thanks Geoff > >Geoff Combs >President >Aerosport Modeling & Design >8090 Howe Industrial Parkway >Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 >614-834-5227p >614-834-5230f >www.aerosportmodeling.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey >Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:30 PM >Subject: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Last bump - need to have funds in hand no later than tomorrow PM if you >would like to camp with the RV-10 group. Here's the current list >http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2010_Campsites.html > >Even if you're not camping with us, feel free to swing by - there's usually >a group of us every evening. We'll probably also do at least 1 or 2 large >cookouts for all RV-10 builders/enthusiasts with info to come later. > >Bob > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304781#304781 > > >________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > >Subject: RV10-List: Santa Barbara >From: bruce breckenridge <bbreckenridge(at)gmail.com> > >If there's anybody familiar with Santa Barbara, my wife and I are planning a >mid/early week visit next week. Which FBO do we use? We'll need a car to >see the sights, so a rental will be necessary for the day. Last of course, >"which sights?"! An old mission, a wonderful seafood lunch, a walk on the >peir, etc... Lend me your ideas! > >Thanks! > >Bruce Breckenridge >Happy Valley, OR >40018 wings, 7s9 > >________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > >Subject: RV10-List: Re: Santa Barbara >From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> > > >KSBA is "upscale", e.g., expensive. >Signature and Atlantic are the FBO's. Both charge a handling fee ($39??) as soon >as you show up. Waived with a minimum gas purchase. 100LL is something like >$5/gal, although 50 cents cheaper on the weekends at Signature. Parking is $15 >a night, last time we were there. > >They can get you a rental car. > >My preference is for Signature. (Atlantic seems to cater to the jet crowd.) >Expensive, but good service. Plan to buy gas to avoid the handling charge. > >I hear there is a new, third fbo, selling self serve fuel well under the price >of the others. But I don't know if they offer parking or rental cars. > >Lots to do in Santa Barbara. Visit the UC campus if you just want to walk around >a nice place. > >-------- >Bob Turner >RV-10 QB > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305019#305019 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Subject: Re: RV10-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 07/15/10
From: Ted Chang <tc1234c(at)roadrunner.com>
RV10-List Digest Server wrote: >* > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > >Today's complete RV10-List Digest can also be found in either of the >two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted >in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >of the RV10-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >such as Notepad or with a web browser. > >HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-07-15&Archive=RV10 > >Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-07-15&Archive=RV10 > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV10-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Thu 07/15/10: 5 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >Today's Message Index: >---------------------- > > 1. 12:23 AM - Re: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping (Vijay Pisini) > 2. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping (Geoff Combs) > 3. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) > 4. 03:38 PM - Santa Barbara (bruce breckenridge) > 5. 07:25 PM - Re: Santa Barbara (Bob Turner) > > > >________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > >From: Vijay Pisini <vijaypisini(at)yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Bob, > >This is my first post on Matronics RV-10 list but have been following the list > >(somewhat) for some time. > >I'm Vijay Pisinifrom Cedar Rapids, IA. I'll be in Osh the whole week except >for one day on 7/28. I would like to camp with you all. Please let me know the > >details as to how much I need to pay and to who. I'll be flying a C-172 and >arriving on Sunday 7/25 with a friend of mine and will leave on 7/27. I'll be >back in Osh by car on 7/29 and will leave Osh on 8/1. > >By the way, I had my first RV-10 ride on Tim's N104CD in Aug'09 from Menominie, > >WI. He was very generous and explained a whole lot and let me fly his plane for > >some time. Just finished Emp and started on std wings (www.vijaypisini.com). >Thanks. > > >vj > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: bcondrey <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> >Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 1:29:56 PM >Subject: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Last bump - need to have funds in hand no later than tomorrow PM if you would >like to camp with the RV-10 group. Here's the current list >http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2010_Campsites.html > >Even if you're not camping with us, feel free to swing by - there's usually a >group of us every evening. We'll probably also do at least 1 or 2 large >cookouts for all RV-10 builders/enthusiasts with info to come later. > >Bob > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304781#304781 > > >________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > >From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Bob I will be flying in in N829GW on 7-24 and leaving 7-31 > >Thanks Geoff > >Geoff Combs >President >Aerosport Modeling & Design >8090 Howe Industrial Parkway >Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 >614-834-5227p >614-834-5230f >www.aerosportmodeling.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey >Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:30 PM >Subject: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Last bump - need to have funds in hand no later than tomorrow PM if you >would like to camp with the RV-10 group. Here's the current list >http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2010_Campsites.html > >Even if you're not camping with us, feel free to swing by - there's usually >a group of us every evening. We'll probably also do at least 1 or 2 large >cookouts for all RV-10 builders/enthusiasts with info to come later. > >Bob > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304781#304781 > > >________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > >From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Got it, thx > >Bob > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Combs >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:12 PM >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Bob I will be flying in in N829GW on 7-24 and leaving 7-31 > >Thanks Geoff > >Geoff Combs >President >Aerosport Modeling & Design >8090 Howe Industrial Parkway >Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110 >614-834-5227p >614-834-5230f >www.aerosportmodeling.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey >Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:30 PM >Subject: RV10-List: Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping > > >Last bump - need to have funds in hand no later than tomorrow PM if you >would like to camp with the RV-10 group. Here's the current list >http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2010_Campsites.html > >Even if you're not camping with us, feel free to swing by - there's usually >a group of us every evening. We'll probably also do at least 1 or 2 large >cookouts for all RV-10 builders/enthusiasts with info to come later. > >Bob > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304781#304781 > > >________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > >Subject: RV10-List: Santa Barbara >From: bruce breckenridge <bbreckenridge(at)gmail.com> > >If there's anybody familiar with Santa Barbara, my wife and I are planning a >mid/early week visit next week. Which FBO do we use? We'll need a car to >see the sights, so a rental will be necessary for the day. Last of course, >"which sights?"! An old mission, a wonderful seafood lunch, a walk on the >peir, etc... Lend me your ideas! > >Thanks! > >Bruce Breckenridge >Happy Valley, OR >40018 wings, 7s9 > >________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > >Subject: RV10-List: Re: Santa Barbara >From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> > > >KSBA is "upscale", e.g., expensive. >Signature and Atlantic are the FBO's. Both charge a handling fee ($39??) as soon >as you show up. Waived with a minimum gas purchase. 100LL is something like >$5/gal, although 50 cents cheaper on the weekends at Signature. Parking is $15 >a night, last time we were there. > >They can get you a rental car. > >My preference is for Signature. (Atlantic seems to cater to the jet crowd.) >Expensive, but good service. Plan to buy gas to avoid the handling charge. > >I hear there is a new, third fbo, selling self serve fuel well under the price >of the others. But I don't know if they offer parking or rental cars. > >Lots to do in Santa Barbara. Visit the UC campus if you just want to walk around >a nice place. > >-------- >Bob Turner >RV-10 QB > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305019#305019 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: RTV vs ProSeal on Firewall
Is it acceptable practice to use red rtv in place of proseal where it is called out in the firewall sections such as the heater vents and the box corners? I realize red rtv is not a true fire barrier, but then neither is proseal at an upper range of +275 degrees. -Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Subject: Re: RTV vs ProSeal on Firewall
Sean, I'm not sure I'd use either one. We get this 3M fire sealant at Home Depot: http://tinyurl.com/25663eu It isn't expensive. One tube would do the whole firewall perimeter and misc. gaps. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > Is it acceptable practice to use red rtv in place of proseal where it is > called out in the firewall sections such as the heater vents and the box > corners? I realize red rtv is not a true fire barrier, but then neither is > proseal at an upper range of +275 degrees. > > -Sean #40303 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Paul Bowmar <paul(at)bwbco.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Subject: Re: RTV vs ProSeal on Firewall
Plane Innovations LLC sells 2000 degree fire block sealant for that purpose. www.planeinnovations.com Paul 67KB flying RV-4 On Jul 16, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > Is it acceptable practice to use red rtv in place of proseal where it is called out in the firewall sections such as the heater vents and the box corners? I realize red rtv is not a true fire barrier, but then neither is proseal at an upper range of +275 degrees. > > -Sean #40303 > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Subject: Re: RTV vs ProSeal on Firewall
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
"Continuous Operating Temperature not to exceed 120=B0F (48=B0C)." How hot do these firewalls get, anyway? On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Dave Saylor < dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> wrote: > Sean, > > I'm not sure I'd use either one. We get this 3M fire sealant at Home > Depot: > > http://tinyurl.com/25663eu > > It isn't expensive. One tube would do the whole firewall perimeter and > misc. gaps. > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: > >> >> Is it acceptable practice to use red rtv in place of proseal where it is >> called out in the firewall sections such as the heater vents and the box >> corners? I realize red rtv is not a true fire barrier, but then neither is >> proseal at an upper range of +275 degrees. >> >> -Sean #40303 >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Subject: Re: RTV vs ProSeal on Firewall
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Vans sells, and I believe recommends for the firewall a high temp ProSeal or equivalent. It is NOT the standard tank sealant that is being called for. On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > "Continuous Operating Temperature not to exceed 120F (48C)." > > How hot do these firewalls get, anyway? > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Dave Saylor > wrote: >> >> Sean, >> >> I'm not sure I'd use either one. We get this 3M fire sealant at Home >> Depot: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/25663eu >> >> It isn't expensive. One tube would do the whole firewall perimeter and >> misc. gaps. >> >> Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141 Shop >> 831-750-0284 Cell >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Sean Stephens >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Is it acceptable practice to use red rtv in place of proseal where it is >>> called out in the firewall sections such as the heater vents and the box >>> corners? I realize red rtv is not a true fire barrier, but then neither is >>> proseal at an upper range of +275 degrees. >>> >>> -Sean #40303 >>> >>> ========== >>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> ========== >>> http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> le, List Admin. >>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > http://kochman.net/N819K > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Paul Bowmar <paul(at)bwbco.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Subject: Re: RTV vs ProSeal on Firewall
Normally not bad, but windblown avgas burns at 1875 degrees. Just a precaution in case of engine fire. Paul On Jul 16, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > "Continuous Operating Temperature not to exceed 120=B0F (48=B0C)." > How hot do these firewalls get, anyway? > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > Sean, > > I'm not sure I'd use either one. We get this 3M fire sealant at Home Depot: > > http://tinyurl.com/25663eu > > It isn't expensive. One tube would do the whole firewall perimeter and misc. gaps. > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > Is it acceptable practice to use red rtv in place of proseal where it is called out in the firewall sections such as the heater vents and the box corners? I realize red rtv is not a true fire barrier, but then neither is proseal at an upper range of +275 degrees. > > -Sean #40303 > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > http://kochman.net/N819K > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
From: Carlos Hernandez <carlosh(at)structuralaz.com>
Subject: Re: RTV vs ProSeal on Firewall
CS 1900 Firewall sealant. As Kelly stated, Vans has it. http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1279315031-208-606&action=search Carlos in AZ Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Vans sells, and I believe recommends for the firewall a high temp > ProSeal or equivalent. It is NOT the standard tank sealant that is > being called for. > > -- Carlos Hernandez <carlosh@sec-engr.com> Structural Engineers Company 2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3 Chandler, AZ 85224 Phone: 480.968.8600 Fax: 480.968.8608 www.sec-engr.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this email may be confidential and/or privileged. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual or organization named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copyingof this email and its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is prohibited. If you havereceived this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
From: Carlos Hernandez <carlosh(at)structuralaz.com>
Subject: Re: RTV vs ProSeal on Firewall
Bad link. My bad. Here you go - http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1279315031-208-606&browse=misc&product=cs1900 Carlos in AZ Carlos Hernandez wrote: > > > CS 1900 Firewall sealant. As Kelly stated, Vans has it. > http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1279315031-208-606&action=search > > > Carlos in AZ > > Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> Vans sells, and I believe recommends for the firewall a high temp >> ProSeal or equivalent. It is NOT the standard tank sealant that is >> being called for. >> >> -- Carlos Hernandez <carlosh@sec-engr.com> Structural Engineers Company 2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3 Chandler, AZ 85224 Phone: 480.968.8600 Fax: 480.968.8608 www.sec-engr.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this email may be confidential and/or privileged. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual or organization named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copyingof this email and its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is prohibited. If you havereceived this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 16, 2010
Subject: Cabin Cover..minor glitch
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Step 4 on page 43-6 has you drill 5 holes into the fiberglass. However, lo and behold, the top hole is already filled with an AN-470 rivet securing the angle to the longeron. Obviously I will need to drill out this rivet. I could not tell, looking back at section 29 where these pieces are installed whether that hole was supposed to be riveted or the thrillers in Manila just filled it because it was there. Kelly 40866, Sec 43..aka fiberglass fun(Not) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Cabin Cover..minor glitch
From: "egohr1" <EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu>
Date: Jul 16, 2010
there should be 5 holes under the bracket. The holes you are drilling will get screws to hold the door frame. The rivets in the post angle should all be in at this point -------- eric gohr EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305130#305130 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2010
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RTV vs ProSeal on Firewall
I used the red silicone to fill the corners of the recessed box on the firewall, and used it to 'glue' thin red silicone sheet to the flapper on the cabin heat valve so it'd seal really well. Acceptable??? Only you will be able to answer that!!! :-P Linn Sean Stephens wrote: > > Is it acceptable practice to use red rtv in place of proseal where it > is called out in the firewall sections such as the heater vents and > the box corners? I realize red rtv is not a true fire barrier, but > then neither is proseal at an upper range of +275 degrees. > > -Sean #40303 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2010
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RTV vs ProSeal on Firewall
Rob Kochman wrote: > "Continuous Operating Temperature not to exceed 120F (48C)." > > How hot do these firewalls get, anyway? > Good question. I'm more interested in fire prevention than fire control. Linn > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Dave Saylor > > wrote: > > Sean, > > I'm not sure I'd use either one. We get this 3M fire sealant at > Home Depot: > > http://tinyurl.com/25663eu > > It isn't expensive. One tube would do the whole firewall > perimeter and misc. gaps. > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Sean Stephens > > wrote: > > > > > Is it acceptable practice to use red rtv in place of proseal > where it is called out in the firewall sections such as the > heater vents and the box corners? I realize red rtv is not a > true fire barrier, but then neither is proseal at an upper > range of +275 degrees. > > -Sean #40303 > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > http://kochman.net/N819K > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2010
From: <tc1234c(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Sorry for the blank messages I (my computer) sent
I just noticed that I have sent two blank replies to the list. I must have a virus in my system that did it. Ted Chang ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: AC cooling chest
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Hey Patrick, Here are a couple of pictures of the last one I made for the guy that flies a Cessna. He has his accessory outlet on the dash, so I made the in-line switch about two feet from the receptacle, with a total length of about 11 feet so that he can put the cooler in the back. The 4" ducts extend to 8 ft. and they are quick detach. Thanks for the interest, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305177#305177 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ac9_medium_194.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ac8_medium_937.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ac7_medium_697.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2010
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: OSH camping questions
This is the 1st year for us to camp, and we've got a couple of questions for the 'repeat offenders' Can you count on being able to purchase food, milk, meat, ice, etc to cook from the store/near the campsite? Or is it limited to 'essentials'. Where can you charge cell phones/laptops/ipads etc? Deems ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: OSH camping questions
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Not a problem to get the items you mentioned, although the meat may be limited to hot dogs, brats, and hamburger. You can charge your stuff up on one of our motor homes, all have outside outlets. If you need something and the store doesn't have it, you can barrow my or Bob's vehicle and run to town. We don't charge much!!!!! Gary Specketer _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:33 PM Subject: RV10-List: OSH camping questions This is the 1st year for us to camp, and we've got a couple of questions for the 'repeat offenders' Can you count on being able to purchase food, milk, meat, ice, etc to cook from the store/near the campsite? Or is it limited to 'essentials'. Where can you charge cell phones/laptops/ipads etc? Deems ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: OSH camping questions
Date: Jul 17, 2010
There is a nearby Walmart if you can stand to go in one of those. I-Tim has a plethora of electronic connectors and a 100000000 watt generator and Aux Batteries and a tesla coil to charge anything. The only problem is they are all used up with his own electronics:) ----- Original Message ----- From: Deems Davis To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:33 PM Subject: RV10-List: OSH camping questions This is the 1st year for us to camp, and we've got a couple of questions for the 'repeat offenders' Can you count on being able to purchase food, milk, meat, ice, etc to cook from the store/near the campsite? Or is it limited to 'essentials'. Where can you charge cell phones/laptops/ipads etc? Deems ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Subject: Re: OSH camping questions
From: Jim Combs <jiminlexky(at)gmail.com>
But there is a REQUIRED item if you borrow Gary's car. You MUST bring a bumper sticker for your favorite university football team (As long as it is not the Georgia Bulldogs) and put it on the car - Just make sure it's lightly taped on. The results are ALWAYS fun! Gary, don't let Brenda read this! JimC On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 4:35 PM, gary wrote: > Not a problem to get the items you mentioned, although the meat may be > limited to hot dogs, brats, and hamburger. You can charge your stuff up on > one of our motor homes, all have outside outlets. If you need something and > the store doesn=92t have it, you can barrow my or Bob=92s vehicle and run to > town. We don=92t charge much!!!!! > > > Gary Specketer > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Deems Davis > *Sent:* Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:33 PM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: OSH camping questions > > > This is the 1st year for us to camp, and we've got a couple of questions > for the 'repeat offenders' > > Can you count on being able to purchase food, milk, meat, ice, etc to coo k > from the store/near the campsite? Or is it limited to 'essentials'. > > Where can you charge cell phones/laptops/ipads etc? > > Deems > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: OSH camping questions
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Yes, the store at the Red Barn has meat, eggs, milk, vegetables, bread, can goods, etc. There are also plenty of us that occasionally head to a grocery store off the airport. There is power around the shower facility, but you have to be real trusting to leave your devices there. Although, I've not heard that there is a theft issue and have seen many cells phones left unattended. Generators around the camp usually start promptly at 7:30 in the morning. Most of the folks with generators have extension cords you can plug into. Finding somebody in the RV-10 HQ with a generator running is usually not a problem. Tim just posted the Zaug's food schedule. There are places open for breakfast and dinner. Ace's has good omelets. You don't have to cook, unless you prefer to cook your meals. Then there are all the group dinners. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: RV10-List: OSH camping questions This is the 1st year for us to camp, and we've got a couple of questions for the 'repeat offenders' Can you count on being able to purchase food, milk, meat, ice, etc to cook from the store/near the campsite? Or is it limited to 'essentials'. Where can you charge cell phones/laptops/ipads etc? Deems ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Dunne" <acs(at)acspropeller.com.au>
Subject: VH-XIO Flying
Date: Jul 18, 2010
XIO took to the air Friday afternoon (16th July) for its maiden flight around Archerfield, Brisbane Australia. In compliance with its special ops certification, for operation over a busy airport and to avoid populated areas, a take off on 28 with a landing on 10 was the rule, so waiting for the wind to trend the other way late afternoon was the go. What an awesome machine! Yesterday put in a couple of hours x-country with some test work to establish the parameters. Truly blown away. Minor snags.. slight heavy right wing, no floscan reading for fuel flow and maybe high oil temp issue at 219F on climb Settled out at 202F in the cruise, but considering winter temps at the moment, I'd be looking to get that back to the 180 as the norm before the summer. I'm extremely grateful to the many generous people on the RV list for their time and in particular, Tim Olson's website that I shamelessly lived on, drew inspiration from and enjoyed immensely. Thanks Tim!! John VH-XIO, 40315 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2010
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Sorry for the blank messages I (my computer) sent
Not necessarily so. Look at the 'email source' under the view pulldown. You may see a lot of garbage and your email. Linn tc1234c(at)roadrunner.com wrote: > > I just noticed that I have sent two blank replies to the list. I must have a virus in my system that did it. > > > Ted Chang > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: stick grip labels
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jul 17, 2010
For those flying: Did your inspector require labels on your stick grip controls? (e.g, PTT, autopilot disconnect, trim up, trim down, etc.) -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305242#305242 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John MacCallum" <vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au>
Subject: VH-XIO Flying
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Congratulations John, Do have any pictures on the web? Cheers John MacCallum #41016 VH-??? From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne Sent: Sunday, 18 July 2010 7:19 AM Subject: RV10-List: VH-XIO Flying XIO took to the air Friday afternoon (16th July) for its maiden flight around Archerfield, Brisbane Australia. In compliance with its special ops certification, for operation over a busy airport and to avoid populated areas, a take off on 28 with a landing on 10 was the rule, so waiting for the wind to trend the other way late afternoon was the go. What an awesome machine! Yesterday put in a couple of hours x-country with some test work to establish the parameters. Truly blown away. Minor snags.. slight heavy right wing, no floscan reading for fuel flow and maybe high oil temp issue at 219F on climb Settled out at 202F in the cruise, but considering winter temps at the moment, I'd be looking to get that back to the 180 as the norm before the summer. I'm extremely grateful to the many generous people on the RV list for their time and in particular, Tim Olson's website that I shamelessly lived on, drew inspiration from and enjoyed immensely. Thanks Tim!! John VH-XIO, 40315 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: stick grip labels
Date: Jul 17, 2010
I helped with an inspection on my friends's Zenith 701 and the DAR did requ ire him to label the stick. > Subject: RV10-List: stick grip labels > From: bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu > Date: Sat=2C 17 Jul 2010 16:34:57 -0700 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > For those flying: Did your inspector require labels on your stick grip co ntrols? (e.g=2C PTT=2C autopilot disconnect=2C trim up=2C trim down=2C etc. ) > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305242#305242 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hot mail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=P ID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: stick grip labels
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Mine did NOT. But in preparation for the question, I put a diagram in the manual. See my POH here. http://www.vansairforce.net/POH/N423CF_RV10.pdf Footnote.....my POH was built off of others provided by people on this forum. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:35 PM Subject: RV10-List: stick grip labels For those flying: Did your inspector require labels on your stick grip controls? (e.g, PTT, autopilot disconnect, trim up, trim down, etc.) -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305242#305242 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jay Rowe <jfrjr(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: stick grip labels
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Yes but she said I could take care of it later. Later is still sometime away. I have the Infiniti grips--not sure how I am going to do it. Maybe inscribe with a dremel and then hilight with white dope. Jay Rowe 100 hours Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2010, at 7:34 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > For those flying: Did your inspector require labels on your stick > grip controls? (e.g, PTT, autopilot disconnect, trim up, trim down, > etc.) > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305242#305242 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: stick grip labels
From: pascal <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Matt Dralle has a template he used that you could stick on the panel. One needs to be able to have a reference for a non flyer so as long as it is near the stick and one can discern whats what it should be fine. Hard to put labels on the actual stick. Pascal > > Yes but she said I could take care of it later. Later is still > sometime away. I have the Infiniti grips--not sure how I am going to > do it. Maybe inscribe with a dremel and then hilight with white dope. > Jay Rowe 100 hours > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 17, 2010, at 7:34 PM, "Bob Turner" > wrote: > > > > > For those flying: Did your inspector require labels on your stick > > grip controls? (e.g, PTT, autopilot disconnect, trim up, trim down, > > etc.) > > > > -------- > > Bob Turner > > RV-10 QB > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305242#305242 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: stick grip labels
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Mine didn't, as far as I can remember but it is a really good idea, so I did, and people have commented very positively on it being helpful when they fly with me. Tim On Jul 17, 2010, at 6:34 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > For those flying: Did your inspector require labels on your stick > grip controls? (e.g, PTT, autopilot disconnect, trim up, trim down, > etc.) > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305242#305242 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: stick grip labels
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2010
Hugo Terrosa's daughter can engrave the Infinity grips with laser, and fill it with white paint. It looks pretty awesome. I'll try to dig up a picture if I can. Give her a call at 561-715-6059. Her name is Erika. Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305263#305263 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2010
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: AC cooling chest
Mate, you are a legend and you must become an honorary 'Aussie' for designi ng =0Athat.- How cool.=0A=0AWhat are the holes around the top edge for? =0A=0ADoes air get sucked in at the top and blown out from the vents at the top?=0A=0AWhere did you get the radiator and pump from.=0A=0AHow ingenious .=0A=0AMany thanks=0A=0APat=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: Lew Gallagher <lewgall(at)charter.net>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Sun, 18 July, 2010 12:23:22 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Re: AC coolin ter.net>=0A=0AHey Patrick,=0A=0AHere are a couple of pictures of the last o ne I made for the guy that flies a =0ACessna.- He has his accessory outle t on the dash, so I made the in-line switch =0Aabout two feet from the rece ptacle, with a total length of about 11 feet so that =0Ahe can put the cool er in the back.- The 4" ducts extend to 8 ft. and they are =0Aquick detac h.=0A=0AThanks for the interest, - Lew=0A=0A--------=0Anon-pilot=0Acrazy ab out building=0ANOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549=0AFly off completed !=0A=0A=0A =0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtop ic.php?p=305177#305177=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.mat ronics.com//files/ac9_medium_194.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/a c8_medium_937.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/ac7_medium_697.jpg =================0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: OSH camping questions
And this year I even have a new addition....my previously used PC925 battery will be set up and charged daily with multi chargers plugged into 12V jacks. If you're an iPhone user, seriously check into getting a MiLi (more info here) http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20100328/index.html Deems: We'll give you a ride for groceries and stuff if you need, too. Hayden is planning to come and stay with us, so he'd love to see you too, and we go shopping every day and buy ice and food. We'll also be taking our normal mid-week trip to the swimming hole, so bring your suit! See these photos from 2008 http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/OSH2008/index.html Getting pumped up. Tim On 7/17/2010 3:47 PM, Seano wrote: > There is a nearby Walmart if you can stand to go in one of those. I-Tim > has a plethora of electronic connectors and a 100000000 watt generator > and Aux Batteries and a tesla coil to charge anything. The only problem > is they are all used up with his own electronics:) > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Deems Davis > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:33 PM > *Subject:* RV10-List: OSH camping questions > > This is the 1st year for us to camp, and we've got a couple of > questions for the 'repeat offenders' > > Can you count on being able to purchase food, milk, meat, ice, etc > to cook from the store/near the campsite? Or is it limited to > 'essentials'. > > Where can you charge cell phones/laptops/ipads etc? > > Deems > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Subject: Re: OSH camping questions
Don't forget hip waders - just had another storm roll through and it looks like an every other occurance in the fcst... Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com> Sent: Sun Jul 18 07:44:58 2010 Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH camping questions And this year I even have a new addition....my previously used PC925 battery will be set up and charged daily with multi chargers plugged into 12V jacks. If you're an iPhone user, seriously check into getting a MiLi (more info here) http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20100328/index.html Deems: We'll give you a ride for groceries and stuff if you need, too. Hayden is planning to come and stay with us, so he'd love to see you too, and we go shopping every day and buy ice and food. We'll also be taking our normal mid-week trip to the swimming hole, so bring your suit! See these photos from 2008 http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/OSH2008/index.html Getting pumped up. Tim On 7/17/2010 3:47 PM, Seano wrote: > There is a nearby Walmart if you can stand to go in one of those. I-Tim > has a plethora of electronic connectors and a 100000000 watt generator > and Aux Batteries and a tesla coil to charge anything. The only problem > is they are all used up with his own electronics:) > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Deems Davis > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:33 PM > *Subject:* RV10-List: OSH camping questions > > This is the 1st year for us to camp, and we've got a couple of > questions for the 'repeat offenders' > > Can you count on being able to purchase food, milk, meat, ice, etc > to cook from the store/near the campsite? Or is it limited to > 'essentials'. > > Where can you charge cell phones/laptops/ipads etc? > > Deems > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: stick grip labels
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Found some pictures of the engraved grips -------- Lenny #40803 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305295#305295 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/set_grip2_143.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/set_grip1_146.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: OSH camping questions
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Amen. To all coming, bring a rain jacket 'cuz if this pattern stays, you're gonna have rain for an hour or so every few days. Heavy rain in short duration. Tim (bought my rain jacket at osh last year) On Jul 18, 2010, at 9:59 AM, "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" wrote: > > > > Don't forget hip waders - just had another storm roll through and it > looks like an every other occurance in the fcst... > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > > > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Sun Jul 18 07:44:58 2010 > Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH camping questions > > > And this year I even have a new addition....my previously used > PC925 battery will be set up and charged daily with multi chargers > plugged into 12V jacks. > > If you're an iPhone user, seriously check into getting a MiLi > (more info here) > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20100328/index.html > > Deems: We'll give you a ride for groceries and stuff if you need, > too. Hayden is planning to come and stay with us, so he'd > love to see you too, and we go shopping every day and buy ice > and food. > > We'll also be taking our normal mid-week trip to the swimming > hole, so bring your suit! > > See these photos from 2008 > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/OSH2008/index.html > > Getting pumped up. > > Tim > > > On 7/17/2010 3:47 PM, Seano wrote: >> There is a nearby Walmart if you can stand to go in one of those. I- >> Tim >> has a plethora of electronic connectors and a 100000000 watt >> generator >> and Aux Batteries and a tesla coil to charge anything. The only >> problem >> is they are all used up with his own electronics:) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Deems Davis >> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> *Sent:* Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:33 PM >> *Subject:* RV10-List: OSH camping questions >> >> This is the 1st year for us to camp, and we've got a couple of >> questions for the 'repeat offenders' >> >> Can you count on being able to purchase food, milk, meat, ice, etc >> to cook from the store/near the campsite? Or is it limited to >> 'essentials'. >> >> Where can you charge cell phones/laptops/ipads etc? >> >> Deems >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> * >> >> * >> >> >> * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: OSH camping questions
Thanks to everyone for the responses and offers for help. I'm sure we'll take you up on at least some of it. Does anybody know where they are going to park the 10's this year? We'll run out of room if they put us in the same place as last year. This group is amazing, after flying 519PJ out last year for the 1st time, and with 5 straight years attendance, I figured we'd sit out OSH 2010, after all, I really don't need to buy anything for the plane, and looking at avionics just gives me buyers remorse, the airshow -as amazing as it is - has lost its allure, there are fewer and fewer new experimental designs brought each year to check out, it probably will rain, its always humid, it costs too much, ............. But a couple of months ago, I started thinking about RV10HQ and all of you guys and I just couldn't NOT be there. I even convinced Judy to camp this year. The closer it gets the more excited I get about coming. Looking forward to seeing everyone sometime Sat. Is there a shuttle service from HBP to Scholler? We'll have a bunch of stuff to schlep. What day's is Eddie planning on being there? Deems On 7/18/2010 8:25 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Amen. To all coming, bring a rain jacket 'cuz if this pattern stays, > you're gonna have rain for an hour or so every few days. Heavy rain > in short duration. > Tim (bought my rain jacket at osh last year) > > > On Jul 18, 2010, at 9:59 AM, "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" > wrote: > >> >> >> Don't forget hip waders - just had another storm roll through and it >> looks like an every other occurance in the fcst... >> >> Bob >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Sent: Sun Jul 18 07:44:58 2010 >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH camping questions >> >> >> >> And this year I even have a new addition....my previously used >> PC925 battery will be set up and charged daily with multi chargers >> plugged into 12V jacks. >> >> If you're an iPhone user, seriously check into getting a MiLi >> (more info here) >> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20100328/index.html >> >> Deems: We'll give you a ride for groceries and stuff if you need, >> too. Hayden is planning to come and stay with us, so he'd >> love to see you too, and we go shopping every day and buy ice >> and food. >> >> We'll also be taking our normal mid-week trip to the swimming >> hole, so bring your suit! >> >> See these photos from 2008 >> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/OSH2008/index.html >> >> Getting pumped up. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> On 7/17/2010 3:47 PM, Seano wrote: >>> There is a nearby Walmart if you can stand to go in one of those. I-Tim >>> has a plethora of electronic connectors and a 100000000 watt generator >>> and Aux Batteries and a tesla coil to charge anything. The only problem >>> is they are all used up with his own electronics:) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Deems Davis >>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com >>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:33 PM >>> *Subject:* RV10-List: OSH camping questions >>> >>> This is the 1st year for us to camp, and we've got a couple of >>> questions for the 'repeat offenders' >>> >>> Can you count on being able to purchase food, milk, meat, ice, etc >>> to cook from the store/near the campsite? Or is it limited to >>> 'essentials'. >>> >>> Where can you charge cell phones/laptops/ipads etc? >>> >>> Deems >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> >>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>> >>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: OSH camping questions
Tim wrote: / Hayden is planning to come and stay with us, so he'd love to see you too, ....../ So Ed's coming, that's Great! but I seem to recall something about him saying Tim's snoring sounded like a choking water Buffalo .... What's changed ??? :-) Deems ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Roberts" <swrpilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Ex-Lurker
Date: Jul 18, 2010
After, many, many years of lurking, we are now officially RV-10 builders. I bought the tailkit from Chris Klugewicz, and am now in the tool collection phase. We go back to the James McClow/Yahoo days, and have about 5 hours in the ten, including a couple with Mike Seager in the factory Continental version. My newly minted pilot/wife Karen and I will be at Oshkosh all week, and we look forward the meeting everyone, notebook and camera in hand. We own N2700W, a Mooney M20E based in Morristown, TN. Steve Roberts Ex-Lurker ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: How about instrument panel labeling?
I'm ready to apply any needed labels on my panel. Are there standards, requirements, or guidelines I should be aware of? The switches and status lights are labeled and lit. I know I need to label my 4 breakers. I have the Decal Pro kit to do them with. Drawing a mental blank otherwise. Thanks. Bill "Polyurethane" Watson 40605 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ex-Lurker
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 18, 2010
We're northeast of you. Just finished fuel tanks and wing wiring. Starting on bottom skins. Post if you have any questions. Have fun at Osh. Went to snf 2009 and flew with Joe Blank. I am renting 172's right now. Hoping to finish by snf 2012. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Grayson, KY Bldr# 40983 Ord complete kit 8/24/09; DB Sch del 11/20/09 Emp 12/01/09-3/14/10 332 hrs Wings 3/14/10- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305324#305324 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: iPhone Apps
From: "egohr1" <EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu>
Date: Jul 18, 2010
I have a Iphone and foreflight. I love the app on the Iphone, but the best is the foreflight on the Ipad. One foreflight subscription works for both devices. -------- eric gohr EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305331#305331 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Ex-Lurker
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Steve, Be sure to stop by the RV-10 HQ after the airshow and for the dinners to meet the other RV-10 builders. Keep watching this list for the announcement on what nights dinners will be planned. Usually, the powers to be (Brenda and Susan) don't decide until Saturday or Sunday. They'll be plenty of spouses around, so Karen won't feel out of place. bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Roberts Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: RV10-List: Ex-Lurker --> After, many, many years of lurking, we are now officially RV-10 builders. I bought the tailkit from Chris Klugewicz, and am now in the tool collection phase. We go back to the James McClow/Yahoo days, and have about 5 hours in the ten, including a couple with Mike Seager in the factory Continental version. My newly minted pilot/wife Karen and I will be at Oshkosh all week, and we look forward the meeting everyone, notebook and camera in hand. We own N2700W, a Mooney M20E based in Morristown, TN. Steve Roberts Ex-Lurker ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: OSH camping questions
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Fortunately, Tim will most likely be a couple rows east of the RV-10HQ, so no worries.... From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH camping questions Tim wrote: Hayden is planning to come and stay with us, so he'd love to see you too, ...... So Ed's coming, that's Great! but I seem to recall something about him saying Tim's snoring sounded like a choking water Buffalo .... What's changed ??? :-) Deems ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: OSH camping questions
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Last I heard from Jeff is that there area is going to be expanded a little more again this year since the RV population in general is growing. Personally, I think they should convert of the RED parking area to aircraft parking. For the man that has almost everything, you need one of these from Geoff (http://aerosportproducts.com/nacavalve.htm) HBP has a converted pickup they use to shuttle pilots to Scholler. It's just a question of timing. If EAA uses rental white Ford pickups again this year, there may be an alternative shuttle service available depending on when you arrive. Worse case, give us a call and several of us can meet you and assist with the gear. I was given some help when I parked in Vintage a couple years ago and am more than will to help others. Bob From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:27 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH camping questions Thanks to everyone for the responses and offers for help. I'm sure we'll take you up on at least some of it. Does anybody know where they are going to park the 10's this year? We'll run out of room if they put us in the same place as last year. This group is amazing, after flying 519PJ out last year for the 1st time, and with 5 straight years attendance, I figured we'd sit out OSH 2010, after all, I really don't need to buy anything for the plane, and looking at avionics just gives me buyers remorse, the airshow -as amazing as it is - has lost its allure, there are fewer and fewer new experimental designs brought each year to check out, it probably will rain, its always humid, it costs too much, ............. But a couple of months ago, I started thinking about RV10HQ and all of you guys and I just couldn't NOT be there. I even convinced Judy to camp this year. The closer it gets the more excited I get about coming. Looking forward to seeing everyone sometime Sat. Is there a shuttle service from HBP to Scholler? We'll have a bunch of stuff to schlep. What day's is Eddie planning on being there? Deems ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Subject: Re: Ex-Lurker
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Congrats Steve, on both newly minting wife and airplane. ;-)) Look forward to meeting you at OSH. I suppose you have noted that the empty wt and approach speeds on the -10 are very close to your M20E. Kelly #40866 Cabin Cover '65 M20E KCHD On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Steve Roberts wrote: > > After, many, many years of lurking, we are now officially RV-10 builders. > I > bought the tailkit from Chris Klugewicz, and am now in the tool collection > phase. > > We go back to the James McClow/Yahoo days, and have about 5 hours in the > ten, including a couple with Mike Seager in the factory Continental > version. > > My newly minted pilot/wife Karen and I will be at Oshkosh all week, and we > look forward the meeting everyone, notebook and camera in hand. > > We own N2700W, a Mooney M20E based in Morristown, TN. > > Steve Roberts > Ex-Lurker > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: OSH camping questions
Date: Jul 18, 2010
I bought him earplugs.... Oh, and I got me REVERSE mirrored sunglasses so I don't have to look at all his ugly. ;) Tim On Jul 18, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Deems Davis wrote: > Tim wrote: > Hayden is planning to come and stay with us, so he'd love to see > you too, ...... > > > So Ed's coming, that's Great! but I seem to recall something about > him saying Tim's snoring sounded like a choking water Buffalo .... > What's changed ??? :-) > > Deems > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: iPhone Apps
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Ditto here. I have skycharts, foreflight, and wingx. Foreflight is my favorite. They are all different in some way. They all have ipad versions that are even nicer than on the iPhone. Foreflight is the only one that transfers your subscription to both devices. Tim On Jul 18, 2010, at 2:13 PM, "egohr1" wrote: > > > > I have a Iphone and foreflight. I love the app on the Iphone, but > the best is the foreflight on the Ipad. > > One foreflight subscription works for both devices. > > -------- > eric gohr > EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305331#305331 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: iPhone Apps
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Actually SkyCharts also transfers your subscription between the iPad and iPhone... Along with Foreflight, as you mentioned.... Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Ditto here. I have skycharts, foreflight, and wingx. Foreflight is my favorite. They are all different in some way. They all have ipad versions that are even nicer than on the iPhone. Foreflight is the only one that transfers your subscription to both devices. > Tim > > > > On Jul 18, 2010, at 2:13 PM, "egohr1" wrote: > >> >> I have a Iphone and foreflight. I love the app on the Iphone, but the best is the foreflight on the Ipad. >> >> One foreflight subscription works for both devices. >> >> -------- >> eric gohr >> EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305331#305331 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: iPhone Apps
Date: Jul 18, 2010
Yes but you have to buy the app twice....that's where it costs you. On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: > > > > Actually SkyCharts also transfers your subscription between the iPad > and iPhone... Along with Foreflight, as you mentioned.... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > >> >> Ditto here. I have skycharts, foreflight, and wingx. Foreflight >> is my favorite. They are all different in some way. They all have >> ipad versions that are even nicer than on the iPhone. Foreflight is >> the only one that transfers your subscription to both devices. >> Tim >> >> >> >> On Jul 18, 2010, at 2:13 PM, "egohr1" > > wrote: >> >>> > >>> >>> I have a Iphone and foreflight. I love the app on the Iphone, but >>> the best is the foreflight on the Ipad. >>> >>> One foreflight subscription works for both devices. >>> >>> -------- >>> eric gohr >>> EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305331#305331 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: iPhone Apps
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2010
I have SkyCharts Pro on both the iPhone and iPad. I only paid for it once and it works on both..... Of course I have both the iPhone and iPad on the same account with iTunes. In fact, my wifes iPhone has it on there also, and again all 3 are on the same iTunes account, so you only have to pay once..... Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Yes but you have to buy the app twice....that's where it costs you. > > > > On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: > >> >> Actually SkyCharts also transfers your subscription between the iPad and iPhone... Along with Foreflight, as you mentioned.... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 18, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >> >>> >>> Ditto here. I have skycharts, foreflight, and wingx. Foreflight is my favorite. They are all different in some way. They all have ipad versions that are even nicer than on the iPhone. Foreflight is the only one that transfers your subscription to both devices. >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 18, 2010, at 2:13 PM, "egohr1" wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I have a Iphone and foreflight. I love the app on the Iphone, but the best is the foreflight on the Ipad. >>>> >>>> One foreflight subscription works for both devices. >>>> >>>> -------- >>>> eric gohr >>>> EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305331#305331 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: iPhone Apps
Date: Jul 18, 2010
You only pay once. That IS correct=2C > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: iPhone Apps > From: n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net > Date: Sun=2C 18 Jul 2010 19:36:47 -0400 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > t> > > I have SkyCharts Pro on both the iPhone and iPad. I only paid for it onc e and it works on both..... Of course I have both the iPhone and iPad on t he same account with iTunes. In fact=2C my wifes iPhone has it on there al so=2C and again all 3 are on the same iTunes account=2C so you only have to pay once..... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 18=2C 2010=2C at 7:06 PM=2C Tim Olson wrote: > > > > > Yes but you have to buy the app twice....that's where it costs you. > > > > > > > > On Jul 18=2C 2010=2C at 5:38 PM=2C Michael Kraus wrote: > > .net> > >> > >> Actually SkyCharts also transfers your subscription between the iPad a nd iPhone... Along with Foreflight=2C as you mentioned.... > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Jul 18=2C 2010=2C at 5:15 PM=2C Tim Olson wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Ditto here. I have skycharts=2C foreflight=2C and wingx. Forefligh t is my favorite. They are all different in some way. They all have ipad versions that are even nicer than on the iPhone. Foreflight is the only one that transfers your subscription to both devices. > >>> Tim > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jul 18=2C 2010=2C at 2:13 PM=2C "egohr1" wrote: > >>> llon.edu> > >>>> > >>>> I have a Iphone and foreflight. I love the app on the Iphone=2C but the best is the foreflight on the Ipad. > >>>> > >>>> One foreflight subscription works for both devices. > >>>> > >>>> -------- > >>>> eric gohr > >>>> EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Read this topic online here: > >>>> > >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305331#305331 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2010
From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <fritzsch(at)eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Ex-Lurker
I hope they avoid the 28th as the Young Eagles dinner is that evening and it is quite difficult to get to both. Dave Fritzsche ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Fritzsche 40813 Puyallup, WA Wings in process? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 7/18/2010 1:00 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Leffler" > > Steve, > > Be sure to stop by the RV-10 HQ after the airshow and for the dinners to > meet the other RV-10 builders. Keep watching this list for the > announcement on what nights dinners will be planned. Usually, the powers to > be (Brenda and Susan) don't decide until Saturday or Sunday. They'll be > plenty of spouses around, so Karen won't feel out of place. > > bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Roberts > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:49 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Ex-Lurker > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" > --> > > After, many, many years of lurking, we are now officially RV-10 builders. I > bought the tailkit from Chris Klugewicz, and am now in the tool collection > phase. > > We go back to the James McClow/Yahoo days, and have about 5 hours in the > ten, including a couple with Mike Seager in the factory Continental version. > > My newly minted pilot/wife Karen and I will be at Oshkosh all week, and we > look forward the meeting everyone, notebook and camera in hand. > > We own N2700W, a Mooney M20E based in Morristown, TN. > > Steve Roberts > Ex-Lurker > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: RV-10 HQ
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Usually, there are two to three events during the week. Last year was Mon, Wed, and Fri, but that is subject to change. Previous years there were also some on the Sat and Sun before. The crowds start arriving after the airshow daily and some hang around until early evening to socialize even on the nights without dinners. There's plenty of opportunities to meet other RV-10 builders. Even if you just need a place to crash and find some shade during the day, you're bound to find one or two other builders doing the same. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche (Building) Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 8:46 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ex-Lurker --> I hope they avoid the 28th as the Young Eagles dinner is that evening and it is quite difficult to get to both. Dave Fritzsche ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Fritzsche 40813 Puyallup, WA Wings in process? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 7/18/2010 1:00 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Leffler" > > Steve, > > Be sure to stop by the RV-10 HQ after the airshow and for the dinners to > meet the other RV-10 builders. Keep watching this list for the > announcement on what nights dinners will be planned. Usually, the > powers to be (Brenda and Susan) don't decide until Saturday or Sunday. > They'll be plenty of spouses around, so Karen won't feel out of place. > > bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve > Roberts > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:49 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Ex-Lurker > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Steve Roberts" > --> > > After, many, many years of lurking, we are now officially RV-10 > builders. I bought the tailkit from Chris Klugewicz, and am now in > the tool collection phase. > > We go back to the James McClow/Yahoo days, and have about 5 hours in > the ten, including a couple with Mike Seager in the factory Continental version. > > My newly minted pilot/wife Karen and I will be at Oshkosh all week, > and we look forward the meeting everyone, notebook and camera in hand. > > We own N2700W, a Mooney M20E based in Morristown, TN. > > Steve Roberts > Ex-Lurker > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Subject: OSH camping questions
Wow, and I thought that was a typo on the schedule that you were camping. :) I unfortunately won't be this year, just too much going on. Heck, I' m 500 and some messages behind on the list right now! I'm thinking we need a small nuclear battery to sustain the RV-10 pilots gadgets this year. BT W, hope everyone has their water over flight kits for coming into OSH this year, we are already over twice the average rainfall for July and have seve ral days of forecast rain for this week. I've seen roads flooded around he re in the last week that I haven't seen flooded in 20 years. Bob, got your message, I'll drop down probably tomorrow morning with the coffee maker, bug spray, and mower. Amy has the truck today so no way to g et the mower in her Jetta. I'm probably going to be there a couple days th is week and then Mon/Tues next week. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:33 PM Subject: RV10-List: OSH camping questions This is the 1st year for us to camp, and we've got a couple of questions fo r the 'repeat offenders' Can you count on being able to purchase food, milk, meat, ice, etc to cook from the store/near the campsite? Or is it limited to 'essentials'. Where can you charge cell phones/laptops/ipads etc? Deems ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Turbo nozzle manifold
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2010
With the Sam James cowl and plenum, I am using turbo nozzles (Which Aerosport Power was gracious enough to do the mod for me). I have the nozzles, but does anyone know where to get the manifold, or have a parts list? I scoured Deems site and got lots of good pics of what it should look like, just don't know where to get the stuff to install, or make myself. Eric Kallio Still fitting cowling and plenum. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305475#305475 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Turbo nozzle manifold
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Eric you can get the turbo rails from Don @airflow performance. Deems Sent from my iPad On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:15 PM, "Eric_Kallio" wrote: > > With the Sam James cowl and plenum, I am using turbo nozzles (Which Aerosport Power was gracious enough to do the mod for me). I have the nozzles, but does anyone know where to get the manifold, or have a parts list? I scoured Deems site and got lots of good pics of what it should look like, just don't know where to get the stuff to install, or make myself. > > Eric Kallio > Still fitting cowling and plenum. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305475#305475 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2010
From: tony Dubeansky <mrdubea(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 07/07/10
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: RV10-List Digest Se rver =0ATo: RV10-List Digest List =0ASent: Thu, July 8, 2010 2:59:37 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 07/07/10=0A=0A*=0A=0A============ ==============0A- Online Versions of Today's Li st Digest Archive=0A================== ========0A=0AToday's complete RV10-List Digest can also be fo und in either of the =0Atwo Web Links listed below.- The .html file inclu des the Digest formatted =0Ain HTML for viewing with a web browser and feat ures Hyperlinked Indexes =0Aand Message Navigation.- The .txt file includ es the plain ASCII version =0Aof the RV10-List Digest and can be viewed wit h a generic text editor =0Asuch as Notepad or with a web browser. =0A=0AHTM L Version:=0A=0A- - =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?S tyle=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-07-07&Archive=RV10=0A=0A=0AText V ersion:=0A=0A- - =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Styl e=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-07-07&Archive=RV10=0A=0A=0A=0A== ======================0A- EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive=0A=========== =============0A=0A=0A- - - - - ---------- ------------------------------------------------=0A- - - - - - - - - - - - - RV10-List Digest Archive=0A- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---=0A- - - - - - - - - - Total Messages Posted Wed 07/07/10: 13=0A- - - - - ---------------------------------------------------------- =0A=0A=0AToday's Message Index:=0A----------------------=0A=0A- - 1. 01 :24 PM - Door Latch Redux- (Les Kearney)=0A- - 2. 02:25 PM - PlaneAro und 180 (retro) latch install with pics- (Strasnuts)=0A- - 3. 02:36 P M - Re: Door Latch Redux- (Richard Barnes)=0A- - 4. 03:36 PM - Re: Do or Latch Redux- (Carl Froehlich)=0A- - 5. 04:35 PM - Re: Door Latch R edux- (johngoodman)=0A- - 6. 04:46 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux- (Albe rt Gardner)=0A- - 7. 05:07 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux- (Les Kearney) =0A- - 8. 05:22 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux- (DLM)=0A- - 9. 05:34 P M - Re: Trying to be Politically correct - 4th of July- =0A(johngoodman) =0A- - 10. 06:57 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux- (Pascal)=0A- - 11. 07 :15 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux- (nukeflyboy)=0A- - 12. 07:35 PM - Re: Door Latch Redux- (McGann, Ron)=0A- - 13. 08:40 PM - Re: Door Latch R edux- (AirMike)=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 1 US=0AFrom: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>=0ASubject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0AHi=0A=0AA few weeks back there was a great thread on door latch es. =0A=0AIs there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's l atches / 90=0Aor 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I' ll assume that=0Athe latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cu t.=0A=0ACheers=0A=0ALes=0A#40643=0A=0A=0A________________________________ - Message 2- =0A_____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 02: with pics=0AFrom: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>=0A=0A=0AThis is Michae l Schipper's building site.- I just wanted everyone who is =0Athinking=0A of buying or installing a PlaneAround latch to see a great install that is =0Awell documented.=0A=0AHere it is:=0A=0Ahttp://www.rvten.com/finish9.asp =0A=0A--------=0ACust. #40936=0ARV-10 SB Fuselage=0AN801VR reserved=0A=0A =0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic. php?p=304087#304087=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 3 US=0AFrom: "Richard Barnes" <rickbarnes(at)highlanddental.com>=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0AWe were able to install the180 degree latc hes from Sean.- If you haven't=0Apainted the outside of the doors, these work really great.- The latch- cam=0Aengages early, lining up the door frame for the pins, and the door closes=0Asecurely.- The cam keeps the ce nter of the door tight against the door=0Aframe.- I don't know how the do or will ever come off when it is latched this=0Away.- The installation wa s simple too.=0A=0A=0ARick=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.c om=0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney =0ASent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:19 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0A=0AHi =0A=0AA few weeks back there was a great thread on door la tches. =0A=0AIs there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean' s latches / 90=0Aor 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that=0Athe latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut.=0A=0ACheers =0A=0ALes =0A#40643 =0A=0A=0A____________________________ ____- Message 4- =0A_____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: =0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0AI could not see putting th e clunky Van's latch on the airplane.- It is just=0Aplain ugly.- I inst alled the 180 degree Plane Around system and recommend it=0Awith caveats an d comments:=0A=0A1.- - - It works as advertised but at $470 for the r etrofit kit it is=0Aoverpriced.- Perhaps some competition will help drive it down to a more=0Avalue orientated price.=0A=0A2.- - - Be very car eful not to strip out the threads in the nylon block.- I=0Adid and ended up with a less than satisfactory repair by melting some of the=0Anylon shav ing you get fitting the blocks to fill then re-tap the holes.=0A=0A3.- - - I built up the bottom of the door to be flush across the door sill =0Aand had already finish painted the interior.- Being very careful with a=0ADremmel Tool I cut a slot for the nylon catch (photos attached).- The =0Aplacement of the catch ended up slightly below the sill and does not=0Ai nterfere with getting in or out of the plane.=0A=0A4.- - - I already had the Rivet Head machined pins and pin blocks so I did=0Anot purchase the ones from Plane Around.=0A=0A=0ACarl Froehlich=0A=0ARV-10 (systems install )=0A=0ARV-8A (550 hrs)=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney =0ASent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:19 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0A=0AHi =0A=0AA few weeks back there was a great thread on door la tches. =0A=0AIs there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean' s latches / 90=0Aor 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume that=0Athe latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut.=0A=0ACheers =0A=0ALes =0A#40643 =0A=0A=0A____________________________ ____- Message 5- =0A_____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: ngoodman" =0A=0A=0AI'm going with Matt Banks' mo d, that Vern Darley used. I haven't seen anything=0Abetter yet.=0AJohn=0A =0A--------=0A#40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel=0AN711JG reserved =0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/view topic.php?p=304105#304105=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Mes sage 6- =0A_____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 04:46:31 P 10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0AOn the other hand:=0A=0AI don't believe anyo ne has lost a door when it was installed properly and=0Athen closed properl y. The issue seems to be that either the pins do not=0Apenetrate the door f rame sufficently to secure it or the sealing material=0Amakes it more diffi cult to close the door and the pins were not engaged=0Abefore flight. I thi nk that if we verify the doors are closed and latched we=0Awould have no pr oblem with the existing latch system.=0A=0AAlbert Gardner=0A=0AN9914RV=0A =0AYuma, Az=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:ow ner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney=0ASent: Wednes day, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0A=0AH i =0A=0AA few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. =0A=0AIs there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90 =0Aor 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume t hat=0Athe latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut.=0A=0AChe ers =0A=0ALes =0A#40643 =0A=0A=0A________________________________- Messag e 7- =0A_____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 05:07:11 PM P ST US=0AFrom: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Doo r Latch Redux=0A=0AAlbert=0A=0AI agree 100% with your post. The problem is, being mere mortals, we will=0Amake mistakes. The question is how often and what are the consequences. If=0Awe can eliminate the risk, so much the bet ter. =0A=0AGiven there have already been so door departures in flight, it w ould seem=0Athat a little preventative medicine is in order.=0A=0AJust my $ 0.02=0A=0ACheers=0A=0ALes=0A#40643=0A=0A- _____- =0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10 -list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner=0ASent: July-07-10 5:45 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10- List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0A=0AOn the other hand:=0A=0AI don't believe anyo ne has lost a door when it was installed properly and=0Athen closed properl y. The issue seems to be that either the pins do not=0Apenetrate the door f rame sufficently to secure it or the sealing material=0Amakes it more diffi cult to close the door and the pins were not engaged=0Abefore flight. I thi nk that if we verify the doors are closed and latched we=0Awould have no pr oblem with the existing latch system.=0A=0AAlbert Gardner=0A=0AN9914RV=0A =0AYuma, Az=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:ow ner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney=0ASent: Wednes day, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0A=0AH i =0A=0AA few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. =0A=0AIs there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches / 90 =0Aor 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll assume t hat=0Athe latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut.=0A=0AChe ers =0A=0ALes =0A#40643 =0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Li st=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0A=0A________________________________- Message 8- =0A_________________ 07(at)cox.net>=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0ADoor Latch Redu xMine is the touchy feely system. Touch each pin once =0Aafter the doors ar e closed and touch each pin again before takeoff. I =0Adid remake the pins extra long and cut to length as the location of the =0Alatch gear can alter the required length. =0A- ----- Original Message ----- =0A- From: Albe rt Gardner =0A- To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0A- Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:45 PM=0A- Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0A=0A- On the other hand:=0A=0A- I don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properly =0Aand then closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do =0Anot penetrate the door frame sufficently to secu re it or the sealing =0Amaterial makes it more difficult to close the door and the pins were not =0Aengaged before flight. I think that if we verify t he doors are closed =0Aand latched we would have no problem with the existi ng latch system.=0A=0A- Albert Gardner=0A=0A- N9914RV=0A=0A- Yuma, Az =0A=0A- =0A=0A- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:o wner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney=0A- Sent: W ednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM=0A- To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0A- Sub ject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0A- =0A=0A- Hi =0A=0A- A few wee ks back there was a great thread on door latches. =0A=0A- Is there any co nsensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's =0Alatches / 90 or 180 deg ree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? =0AI'll assume that the la tches from the iron works at Van's don't make the =0Acut.=0A=0A- Cheers =0A=0A- Les =0A- #40643 =0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV1 0-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht=0Atp://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 9- =0A______________ st: Re: Trying to be Politically correct - 4th of July=0AFrom: "johngoodman " =0A=0A=0A=0AAirMike wrote:=0A> Yes the Kiwis a re a great aviation country also...........=0A> =0A> My more important poin t is that we must work together to preserve our freedom=0Ato fly (every day ) from the pointy pencil green weenies that will take our =0Afreedoms=0Afro m us. Just last month the weenies at the Tahoe Regional Planning Agency=0At ried to impose draconian restrictions on seaplane operations at Lake Tahoe. =0AOnly through the efforts a small group of Northern Calif. and Nevada air men=0Awas the initiative quashed.=0A=0A=0AIt all depends on whose Ox is get ting gored....=0A=0AJohn=0A=0A--------=0A#40572 QB. Working on Cowling & ; Panel=0AN711JG reserved=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp:// forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304115#304115=0A=0A=0A______________ __________________- Message 10- =0A____________________________________ >=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0ADoor Latch ReduxHas anyon e had an issue with the doors with the =0Aaftermarket pins and aluminum ver sus plastic that Vans sells in their =0Akits? I know of one builder who upg raded his and tells me his doors =0Aclose every time now without an issue, which wasn't the case before he =0Ainstalled them.=0A=0A=0AFrom: Albert Gar dner =0ASent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:45 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Do or Latch Redux=0A=0A=0AOn the other hand:=0A=0AI don't believe anyone has l ost a door when it was installed properly =0Aand then closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins do =0Anot penetrate the door frame s ufficently to secure it or the sealing =0Amaterial makes it more difficult to close the door and the pins were not =0Aengaged before flight. I think t hat if we verify the doors are closed =0Aand latched we would have no probl em with the existing latch system.=0A=0AAlbert Gardner=0A=0AN9914RV=0A=0AYu ma, Az=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner- rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney=0ASent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0A=0AHi =0A=0AA few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches. =0A=0AIs t here any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean's latches =0A/ 90 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuing? I'll =0Aassume that the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut.=0A=0AChee rs =0A=0ALes =0A#40643 =0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Lis thttp://forums.matronics.comht=0Atp://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A =0A________________________________- Message 11- =0A___________________ : Door Latch Redux=0AFrom: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net>=0A=0A=0AYou won't find a consensus on this question.- The after market latches look a nd=0Awork good, but I can't see tossing $500 into the fix.- The Van's lat ch, which=0AI have seen and tried on Bill Steppling's 10, works just fine a nd is free.- The=0Atwo hand operation does not bother me and frankly, I d on't know many aircraft=0Adoors/canopies that you can operate with one hand .=0A=0ADoing nothing is not an option for me.- Being in the nuclear power business =0Amakes=0Ame cautious and conservative when it comes to safety. - I also know a little=0Aabout human factors engineering and in my opinio n the doors in their unmodified=0Astate are an accident waiting to happen. =0A=0A--------=0ADave Moore=0ARV-6 flying=0ARV-10 QB - FWF=0A=0A=0ARead thi s topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304 123#304123=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 12- =0A___ "McGann, Ron" =0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0APascal et al,=0A=0AI have retained the standard Door design, and simply replaced the Delrin bl=0Aocks with aluminium ones I made myself fro m =BC" stock (ie retain the basic=0AAl tube pins).- I have no issues wi th door closure or security.=0A=0AI do follow Albert's checklist and confir m pin penetration twice during pre=0Aflight, and I ALWAYS close the pax sid e door from the outside.=0A=0ACheers=0ARon=0AVH-XRM flying in Oz=0A=0A_____ ___________________________=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [m ailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m=0Aatronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal=0ASent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 11:55 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux =0A=0AHas anyone had an issue with the doors with the aftermarket pins and alumin=0Aum versus plastic that Vans sells in their kits? I know of one bui lder who =0Aupgraded his and tells me his doors close every time now withou t an issue, =0Awhich wasn't the case before he installed them.=0A=0A=0AFrom : Albert Gardner=0ASent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:45 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Door Latch Redux=0A=0AOn the other h and:=0AI don't believe anyone has lost a door when it was installed properl y and t=0Ahen closed properly. The issue seems to be that either the pins d o not pene=0Atrate the door frame sufficently to secure it or the sealing m aterial makes=0Ait more difficult to close the door and the pins were not e ngaged before f=0Alight. I think that if we verify the doors are closed and latched we would =0Ahave no problem with the existing latch system.=0AAlbe rt Gardner=0AN9914RV=0AYuma, Az=0A=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics .com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m=0Aatronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kear ney=0ASent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:19 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Door Lat ch Redux=0A=0A=0AHi=0A=0AA few weeks back there was a great thread on door latches.=0A=0AIs there any consensus as to what the best solution is - Sean 's latches / 9=0A0 or 180 degree etc? Are there other options worth pursuin g? I'll assume th=0Aat the latches from the iron works at Van's don't make the cut.=0A=0ACheers=0A=0ALes=0A#40643=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?RV10-List=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics .com/contribution=0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-L ist">http://www.matronics.=0Acom/Navigator?RV10-List=0A=0Ahref="http://fo rums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A=0Ahref="http://www.mat ronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A=0A=0A_______________ _________________- Message 13- =0A____________________________________ x=0AFrom: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>=0A=0A=0AI tend to be in Dave "Nu keflyboy's" camp. I am not that sold on the Van's fix,=0Abut I did install it on the Pilot side only. I want to use it for a few months=0Aand then ten der an opinion before putting it on the passenger side. The two =0Atouch=0A system is not that great, but it is a solid item after installation. =0AIns tallation=0Awas about 5 hrs as you want the fix right and exact. The revers e detent=0Ais pretty fail safe at low speed, but how it will operate at 100 + kts is a=0Areal unknown. I presume that Vans tested it....????,,?>?>??>>? ??=0A=0AOne bonus is that the fit is loose, so when you land on a hot day y ou can open=0Athe door latch and get a small bit of air in the cabin=0A=0A- -------=0AOSH '10 or Bust =0AQ/B - finally done=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onl ine here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304130#304130 ==================0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Bibb" <rbibb(at)tomet.net>
Subject: Five point harness?
Date: Jul 19, 2010
I'd go with four point. Simpler and its not like you're doing acro in the -10.. Richard Bibb _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 7:23 PM Subject: RV10-List: Five point harness? All, Looking for the general consensus, 5 point harness for the rear seats or 4 point? Carl Froehlich RV-8A (540 hrs) RV-10 (systems install) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rick <ricksked(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Five point harness?
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Most of us cut that crotch tab off long ago. Even in heavy bumps none of my backseaters ever slid out or hit the lid. Rick S. N246RS Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2010, at 6:15 PM, "Richard Bibb" wrote: > I=99d go with four point. Simpler and its not like you=99re doing > acro in the -10. > > Richard Bibb > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 7:23 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Five point harness? > > All, > > Looking for the general consensus, 5 point harness for the rear > seats or 4 point? > > Carl Froehlich > RV-8A (540 hrs) > RV-10 (systems install) > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2010
Staking out of sites for this year has been completed. Our RV-10 group is located just off Lindbergh between 53rd and 54th. We are about 100 feet south of Lindberg this year rather than being right on the street. Rather than organizing our group in 2 long rows like last year, we've spread over 3 rows to keep all our sites on the high ground. The low lying areas are swampy enough that you get splashing when you walk through them. The high ground is doing well enough that Class As are parking with no issue. We again have a large open area and have acquired 4 picnic tables and so far have 5 10x10 canopies for our community to use. The grass is pretty long in Scholler but Michael Sausen has generously offered use of his lawnmower for use by those that want to mow their sites. Even though it has been very wet here for the last couple of weeks, the crowd is much larger than I've seen in recent years. Part of that might be because of people avoiding the low lying areas where it's still swampy. The field is still fairly wet and they aren't yet parking planes in the normal (HBP and North 40) areas. I did however see 4 planes in the N40 area this afternoon. Most planes are along the showplane area along the hard surfaces. There isn't a specific target to start moving them but I assume that it's being figured out... Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305540#305540 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne Edgerton" <w.edgerton(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Another RV10 crash
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Another RV10 has crashed in Denton, TX, which is just a short distance from my airport. I didn't know these people. Apparently they crashed shortly after take off and the plane ended up burning after it crashed. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-den toncrash_20met.ART.State.Edition1.2950b15.html http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/071910-1-dead-1-hurt-in-plane-crash Wayne Edgerton N602WT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Five point harness?
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Same here....the 4 points are far better with the kids than any of our cars offer and they can crank them nice and tight. Tim On Jul 19, 2010, at 9:46 PM, Rick wrote: > Most of us cut that crotch tab off long ago. Even in heavy bumps > none of my backseaters ever slid out or hit the lid. > > Rick S. > N246RS > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 19, 2010, at 6:15 PM, "Richard Bibb" wrote: > >> I=99d go with four point. Simpler and its not like you=99r e doing >> acro in the -10. >> >> Richard Bibb >> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- >> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 7:23 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Five point harness? >> >> All, >> >> Looking for the general consensus, 5 point harness for the rear >> seats or 4 point? >> >> Carl Froehlich >> RV-8A (540 hrs) >> RV-10 (systems install) >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV10-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Another RV10 crash
Date: Jul 20, 2010
It appears that this was NOT an RV 10 (tail section looks different in the picture). Here is from the FAA incident report: IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 767GW Make/Model: EXP Description: TR-4 Date: 07/19/2010 Time: 0012 Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Serious Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Destroyed LOCATION City: DENTON State: TX Country: US DESCRIPTION AIRCRAFT SHORTLY AFTER DEPARTURE, CRASHED INTO AN OPEN FIELD AND CAUGHT FIRE, NEAR DENTON, TX INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 2 Fat: 0 Ser: 2 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: VFR OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: OTHER FAA FSDO: FORT WORTH, TX (SW19) Entry date: 07/19/2010 On Jul 20, 2010, at 5:19 AM, Wayne Edgerton wrote: > Another RV10 has crashed in Denton, TX, which is just a short > distance from my airport. I didn't know these people. Apparently > they crashed shortly after take off and the plane ended up burning > after it crashed. > > > http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-dentoncrash_20met.ART.State.Edition1.2950b15.html > > http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/071910-1-dead-1-hurt-in-plane-crash > > Wayne Edgerton N602WT > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
From: "rleffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Any chance of getting a RV-10 HQ Campsite layout like you've done in previous years? I also wanted to thank Bob, Susan, Gary, and Brenda for all the effort they put into making the RV-10 HQ happen. thanks, bob -------- Bob Leffler N410BL - Finish RV-10 #40684 http://mykitlog.com/rleffler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305591#305591 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2010
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
I'll second third and fourth the thanks to all those on the grounds there a lready setting this thing up for the rest of us.- The updates are great. - Hopefully, we'll see you in a few days. Don McDonald --- On Tue, 7/20/10, rleffler wrote: From: rleffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 7:41 AM Any chance of getting a RV-10 HQ Campsite layout like you've done in previo us years? I also wanted to thank Bob, Susan, Gary, and Brenda for all the effort they put into making the RV-10 HQ happen. thanks, bob -------- Bob Leffler N410BL - Finish RV-10 #40684 http://mykitlog.com/rleffler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305591#305591 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
From: "jchang10" <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2010
I finally decided to use the same mcmaster carr seal. in the process of trimming the door frame to make room for the seal, i was curious about what others may have done to keep the door seal in place. you can see in the picture linked below, that it would be great to make that barb useful. the barb is located on the interior, to minimize the amount of distortion the seal makes on the door. however, now would be a good time to find a solution to use that barb. the possible options i can think of are: 1. create a channel or lip to catch the barb. the tricky part is that the edge tapers quite a bit on the end. 2. build up a channel or lip. thus, how to build it up nicely? 3. do nothing at all and glue it in. thus, i'm left pondering what approach the many others who have gone down this path have taken? http://lh6.ggpht.com/_E3nI7J8M6Iw/TEYT7M07YnI/AAAAAAAAB80/85rOXQ2Amsk/s640/IMG_0010.JPG Jae 40533 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305641#305641 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: "Doubletree Manufacturing" grommet Template issue
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2010
I installed the metal spherical eye grommets on the firewall today for the control cables. The engine is on so this was an even more challenging task than normal. The first one was drilled right on the template...so I thought...but the holes on one end weren't even close. Took awhile to fix that. On the second one I figure I let the drill drift , or the template shifted on the first one. I was going to pay real good attention this time. Wasn't going to make the same mistake twice. Son of a *&#@^! Same results and more fixing of misplaced holes. Took a closer look at the template provided by the manufacturer and it was off on the length by 1/16". After a lengthy bout with Tourette's syndrome and some funny looks from the neighbors. Made my own template and the third went fine. The template provided with the grommets from "Doubletree Manufacturing" is off! If you have any of these check it against the retainer and make your own template. Don't remember who the vendor was but it isn't really there fault. The products themselves are great, just watch your drilling locations. Sorry, for the long winded rant...I'm going for a beer, that'll help. Eric Kallio Still messing around with the cowl and plenum. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305642#305642 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
From: "jchang10" <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2010
I was playing with some tape to simulate what a built up layer would do. It works surprisingly well. Sorry for thinking out loud here... http://lh5.ggpht.com/_E3nI7J8M6Iw/TEYa-nBI0SI/AAAAAAAAB9g/u7qR8gplE2c/IMG_0011.jpg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305646#305646 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2010
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Re: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
Jay; I know this sounds simple, but did you squeeze the seal? I was able to make it tighter just by compressing the metal in the seal. Dr Fred. 515FW Oshkosh bound Saturday. jchang10 wrote: > > I finally decided to use the same mcmaster carr seal. in the process of trimming the door frame to make room for the seal, i was curious about what others may have done to keep the door seal in place. > > you can see in the picture linked below, that it would be great to make that barb useful. the barb is located on the interior, to minimize the amount of distortion the seal makes on the door. > > however, now would be a good time to find a solution to use that barb. the possible options i can think of are: > > 1. create a channel or lip to catch the barb. the tricky part is that the edge tapers quite a bit on the end. > > 2. build up a channel or lip. thus, how to build it up nicely? > > 3. do nothing at all and glue it in. > > thus, i'm left pondering what approach the many others who have gone down this path have taken? > > http://lh6.ggpht.com/_E3nI7J8M6Iw/TEYT7M07YnI/AAAAAAAAB80/85rOXQ2Amsk/s640/IMG_0010.JPG > > Jae > 40533 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305641#305641 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
Date: Jul 20, 2010
This what I did, which I've copied from several other builders that did the same before me. When you trim the rain gutter, trim in square so the trim installs in the appropriate orientation. You will have to build up portions of the rain gutter to 1/4". The best method is to use thin strips of glass since there are places that you'll need to build up over 1/8". So folks have just used micro or flox, but I think using fiberglass strips will make it stronger. There are some places where you may also need to sand a flat area on the back side to get a good grip. Ivan Kristensen and Geoff Combs have good photos on their sites. Ivan also has a video showing the dimensions on his rain gutter after trimming. I've tried pulling off the seal on Geoff's RV-10. It's almost impossible to get off and it's not glued. He just built up the edge so the fit is very tight. Les Kearney wrote a doc on how he did his door seals. I can forward a copy if anyone wants it. He also filled in the rear of the seal so it's smooth on the interior. Basically making a channel for the seal to sit in. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jchang10 Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place --> I finally decided to use the same mcmaster carr seal. in the process of trimming the door frame to make room for the seal, i was curious about what others may have done to keep the door seal in place. you can see in the picture linked below, that it would be great to make that barb useful. the barb is located on the interior, to minimize the amount of distortion the seal makes on the door. however, now would be a good time to find a solution to use that barb. the possible options i can think of are: 1. create a channel or lip to catch the barb. the tricky part is that the edge tapers quite a bit on the end. 2. build up a channel or lip. thus, how to build it up nicely? 3. do nothing at all and glue it in. thus, i'm left pondering what approach the many others who have gone down this path have taken? http://lh6.ggpht.com/_E3nI7J8M6Iw/TEYT7M07YnI/AAAAAAAAB80/85rOXQ2Amsk/s640/I MG_0010.JPG Jae 40533 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305641#305641 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
Later this evening - connectivity issues here. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com> Sent: Tue Jul 20 07:41:57 2010 Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ Any chance of getting a RV-10 HQ Campsite layout like you've done in previous years? I also wanted to thank Bob, Susan, Gary, and Brenda for all the effort they put into making the RV-10 HQ happen. thanks, bob -------- Bob Leffler N410BL - Finish RV-10 #40684 http://mykitlog.com/rleffler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305591#305591 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
Date: Jul 20, 2010
From: "Brent P. Humphreys" <bhumphreys(at)stonetek.com>
I will have a Verizon Mifi that will support up to 5 users at a time. We will be in HQ Saturday. Anyone needing a connection will be welcome to connect. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:20 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ --> Later this evening - connectivity issues here. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com Sent: Tue Jul 20 07:41:57 2010 Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ Any chance of getting a RV-10 HQ Campsite layout like you've done in previous years? I also wanted to thank Bob, Susan, Gary, and Brenda for all the effort they put into making the RV-10 HQ happen. thanks, bob -------- Bob Leffler N410BL - Finish RV-10 #40684 http://mykitlog.com/rleffler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305591#305591 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Hi Here is the document Fred mentioned. I sent a few emails describing what I did to Pat Pulis in Australia who converted them into a small Word Doc. My doors are largely done and close quite nicely - not perfect but pretty good. The techniques are all borrowed from those who have gone before so I take no credit whatsoever. The one thing that made a HUGE difference was not installing screws in the door frame until after the doors were fitted. Being able to move the door frame in by an 1/8th of an inch on one side made a very tight door easy to close. I also found the door latches close much easier if lubricated with white grease. There is a lot of internal friction in the stock Van's setup - or so I found. When fitting and adjusting the doors and gap, be sure to have all the door hardware installed - especially the door openers. I found these do affect the geometry and how easily the doors open / close. Cheers Les #40643 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: July-20-10 5:06 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place This what I did, which I've copied from several other builders that did the same before me. When you trim the rain gutter, trim in square so the trim installs in the appropriate orientation. You will have to build up portions of the rain gutter to 1/4". The best method is to use thin strips of glass since there are places that you'll need to build up over 1/8". So folks have just used micro or flox, but I think using fiberglass strips will make it stronger. There are some places where you may also need to sand a flat area on the back side to get a good grip. Ivan Kristensen and Geoff Combs have good photos on their sites. Ivan also has a video showing the dimensions on his rain gutter after trimming. I've tried pulling off the seal on Geoff's RV-10. It's almost impossible to get off and it's not glued. He just built up the edge so the fit is very tight. Les Kearney wrote a doc on how he did his door seals. I can forward a copy if anyone wants it. He also filled in the rear of the seal so it's smooth on the interior. Basically making a channel for the seal to sit in. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jchang10 Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place --> I finally decided to use the same mcmaster carr seal. in the process of trimming the door frame to make room for the seal, i was curious about what others may have done to keep the door seal in place. you can see in the picture linked below, that it would be great to make that barb useful. the barb is located on the interior, to minimize the amount of distortion the seal makes on the door. however, now would be a good time to find a solution to use that barb. the possible options i can think of are: 1. create a channel or lip to catch the barb. the tricky part is that the edge tapers quite a bit on the end. 2. build up a channel or lip. thus, how to build it up nicely? 3. do nothing at all and glue it in. thus, i'm left pondering what approach the many others who have gone down this path have taken? http://lh6.ggpht.com/_E3nI7J8M6Iw/TEYT7M07YnI/AAAAAAAAB80/85rOXQ2Amsk/s640/I MG_0010.JPG Jae 40533 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305641#305641 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
Date: Jul 20, 2010
Hi Here is the document Fred mentioned. I sent a few emails describing what I did to Pat Pulis in Australia who converted them into a small Word Doc. My doors are largely done and close quite nicely - not perfect but pretty good. The techniques are all borrowed from those who have gone before so I take no credit whatsoever. The one thing that made a HUGE difference was not installing screws in the door frame until after the doors were fitted. Being able to move the door frame in by an 1/8th of an inch on one side made a very tight door easy to close. I also found the door latches close much easier if lubricated with white grease. There is a lot of internal friction in the stock Van's setup - or so I found. When fitting and adjusting the doors and gap, be sure to have all the door hardware installed - especially the door openers. I found these do affect the geometry and how easily the doors open / close. Cheers Les #40643 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: July-20-10 5:06 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place This what I did, which I've copied from several other builders that did the same before me. When you trim the rain gutter, trim in square so the trim installs in the appropriate orientation. You will have to build up portions of the rain gutter to 1/4". The best method is to use thin strips of glass since there are places that you'll need to build up over 1/8". So folks have just used micro or flox, but I think using fiberglass strips will make it stronger. There are some places where you may also need to sand a flat area on the back side to get a good grip. Ivan Kristensen and Geoff Combs have good photos on their sites. Ivan also has a video showing the dimensions on his rain gutter after trimming. I've tried pulling off the seal on Geoff's RV-10. It's almost impossible to get off and it's not glued. He just built up the edge so the fit is very tight. Les Kearney wrote a doc on how he did his door seals. I can forward a copy if anyone wants it. He also filled in the rear of the seal so it's smooth on the interior. Basically making a channel for the seal to sit in. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jchang10 Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place --> I finally decided to use the same mcmaster carr seal. in the process of trimming the door frame to make room for the seal, i was curious about what others may have done to keep the door seal in place. you can see in the picture linked below, that it would be great to make that barb useful. the barb is located on the interior, to minimize the amount of distortion the seal makes on the door. however, now would be a good time to find a solution to use that barb. the possible options i can think of are: 1. create a channel or lip to catch the barb. the tricky part is that the edge tapers quite a bit on the end. 2. build up a channel or lip. thus, how to build it up nicely? 3. do nothing at all and glue it in. thus, i'm left pondering what approach the many others who have gone down this path have taken? http://lh6.ggpht.com/_E3nI7J8M6Iw/TEYT7M07YnI/AAAAAAAAB80/85rOXQ2Amsk/s640/I MG_0010.JPG Jae 40533 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305641#305641 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2010
For those attending OSH, attached is the tentative layout of the RV-10 HQ camping area. This year in addition to the camping crowds getting here much earlier, there is the water to deal with. In prior years folks seemed to have preference for being stretched out along a single road but with the swampy areas it just wasn't possible. The layout is tentative because folks always have the option of swapping when they get here. I've highlighted the RV-10 group area in green to make it easy for those not camping with us to find it. We have several picnic tables and are up to 500 square feet of canopy shade space. We'll be adding another 200 square feet to that tomorrow (courtesy of Michael). We've used our discretion in where we've placed specific people based on either camping vehicle size, consideration for tents (dry high ground), etc. For those wondering, Dave Leikam specifically requested the same site he had last year and it happened to be open but nothing adjacent to it was. The map is not to scale but the sites for those with motorhomes are larger than those with tents and the relative positions are accurate. Bob RV-10 N442PM Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305685#305685 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/osh_2010_layout_202.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2010
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Door Seals
Les; Great write up. I had not seen that document before. It will be a great help to those that are following behind. The write up puts together a lot of combined ideas from the list members. All of which will give you a slick looking door fit. Now all you have to do is decide on the method of keeping the door in place during flight....... Keep sanding. It is all worth it. Dr Fred. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Resale on RV 10
Date: Jul 21, 2010
I happen to look through a recent Trade a Plane paper and noticed two very low time( under 200 hrs)RV10s for sale. Both had IO 540s and at least one h ad a three blade MT prop. They had a good instrument cluster=2C paint and l ooked finished. I was quite surprised at the low asking prices=2C one was 178k and the othe r was around 180K. For such low hours=2C unknown whether these are rebuilt engines=2C I found it a little depressing. I have about 160K into my plane and sparce instrumentation. I built it for the mission=2C have no other d esires and I am very please with the results. I am almost finished. If I so ld for 20K over cost=2C and I have nearly 2300hours on a QB wing and Fuse =2C of course I made mods that make it not too stock=2C I would have paid m yself eight dollars an hour. I know the market is depressed=2C but! I guess I will have to believe I am comparing apples and oranges. My highes t paid employee in the dental office gets paid a little over four times tha t amount. What's up! JOhn Gonzalez 409=2C engine sensor connections ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: Resale on RV 10
Date: Jul 21, 2010
I too am surprised at low sale values on RV-10's. To find a comparable new aircraft you would spend around 300+. I guess the whole amateur built thing doesn't help. Knowing what I know now, I would not be hesitant to buy a used RV-10 because they are such a good buy. After building one (not done yet) it would be easy to see if the build was subpar. So I think it is only education to the buyer that is needed to get the resale higher. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gonzalez To: RV 10 group Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:38 AM Subject: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 I happen to look through a recent Trade a Plane paper and noticed two very low time( under 200 hrs)RV10s for sale. Both had IO 540s and at least one had a three blade MT prop. They had a good instrument cluster, paint and looked finished. I was quite surprised at the low asking prices, one was 178k and the other was around 180K. For such low hours, unknown whether these are rebuilt engines, I found it a little depressing. I have about 160K into my plane and sparce instrumentation. I built it for the mission, have no other desires and I am very please with the results. I am almost finished. If I sold for 20K over cost, and I have nearly 2300hours on a QB wing and Fuse, of course I made mods that make it not too stock, I would have paid myself eight dollars an hour. I know the market is depressed, but! I guess I will have to believe I am comparing apples and oranges. My highest paid employee in the dental office gets paid a little over four times that amount. What's up! JOhn Gonzalez 409, engine sensor connections ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob and Karen Brown" <bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com>
Subject: Resale on RV 10
Date: Jul 21, 2010
John, welcome to the world of experimental aviation where we build to learn. Very rarely will you ever see a homebuilt sell for what's into it, especially one that's been flown a bit (not "spec" built). I have almost 100K into my RV7A and I'm sure there's no way I could sell it for anything near that with 300 hrs on it. Our RV10 will be the same way, we'll have 200K into it the day its done, and even with G900, new engine and prop etc.the market won't pay me a cent for my labor. But we have nice airplanes and that's what its about. Bob Brown 40871 fwf From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 I happen to look through a recent Trade a Plane paper and noticed two very low time( under 200 hrs)RV10s for sale. Both had IO 540s and at least one had a three blade MT prop. They had a good instrument cluster, paint and looked finished. I was quite surprised at the low asking prices, one was 178k and the other was around 180K. For such low hours, unknown whether these are rebuilt engines, I found it a little depressing. I have about 160K into my plane and sparce instrumentation. I built it for the mission, have no other desires and I am very please with the results. I am almost finished. If I sold for 20K over cost, and I have nearly 2300hours on a QB wing and Fuse, of course I made mods that make it not too stock, I would have paid myself eight dollars an hour. I know the market is depressed, but! I guess I will have to believe I am comparing apples and oranges. My highest paid employee in the dental office gets paid a little over four times that amount. What's up! JOhn Gonzalez 409, engine sensor connections ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2010
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Subject: Re: Resale on RV 10
I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to me 6 years ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing even this news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted upon myself. I will gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to buy a flying aircraft, like most other sane people do! Jae 40533 still ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2010
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Subject: Re: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
Hi Les, thank you again for that great writeup. I just started down that road, so i will be referencing your writeup closely. Jae 40533 still On 7/20/2010 6:53 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi > > Here is the document Fred mentioned. I sent a few emails describing what I > did to Pat Pulis in Australia who converted them into a small Word Doc. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2010
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Resale on RV 10
I can see another primer war on the horizon..... Deems - packing up the money sucking monster for another excursion to fulfill a dream - Davis > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Resale on RV 10
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Jae It is the journey not the destination that makes building fun (albeit frustrating at times). I am having a wonderful time turning AL into scrap, epoxy into dust while watching my hair grow greyer. No second thoughts here (at least today!). Cheers Les #40643 - Off to KOSH in 2 days -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang Sent: July-21-10 11:15 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to me 6 years ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing even this news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted upon myself. I will gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to buy a flying aircraft, like most other sane people do! Jae 40533 still ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2010
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Resale on RV 10
I can't believe what I'm hearing.... sorry guys, I thought we built the air plane to not only experience the build, but to fly it.... for many years. - No one could have told me how much I was going to enjoy the build, coup led with the satisfaction and special feelings that you have when it finall y flies.- This should go down as one of ones best lifetime achievements a nd so much to be proud of.- Then as a bonus, we have the opportunity to b e part of an extended family.- Hate to think I'd buy the house of my drea ms and then sit around and worry about it's FMV.- Sorry, I guess that's my 4 cents worth. Don McDonald Now living in a great airpark and flying an unbelievable plane. --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Jae Chang wrote: From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 10:14 AM - - I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to me 6 ye ars ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing even this news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted upon myself. I wil l gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to buy a flying aircraft, lik e most other sane people do! Jae 40533 still le, List Admin. =0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: Resale on RV 10
Date: Jul 21, 2010
I concur...If my shop burned down I would find a way to order another as soon as I can with a smile on my face : ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:48 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 > > Jae > > It is the journey not the destination that makes building fun (albeit > frustrating at times). I am having a wonderful time turning AL into scrap, > epoxy into dust while watching my hair grow greyer. No second thoughts > here > (at least today!). > > Cheers > > Les > > #40643 - Off to KOSH in 2 days > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang > Sent: July-21-10 11:15 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 > > > I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to me 6 years > ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing even this > news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted upon myself. I > will > gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to buy a flying aircraft, like > most other sane people do! > > Jae > 40533 still > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
Bob, thanks very much for posting the camping diagram. It looks like I ended up with some extra space so if someone (or the group?) can use it please feel free. We're renting a trailer from a local guy who's going to park it for us in the next few days. Once the trailer is set up, the rest of the space is pretty much available for whatever anyone needs. Also, I'd like to make a contribution to the group for dinners and expenses. Please let me know how I can help. I expect to be there Monday afternoon. See you then, Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:36 PM, bcondrey wrote: > > For those attending OSH, attached is the tentative layout of the RV-10 HQ > camping area. This year in addition to the camping crowds getting here much > earlier, there is the water to deal with. In prior years folks seemed to > have preference for being stretched out along a single road but with the > swampy areas it just wasn't possible. The layout is tentative because folks > always have the option of swapping when they get here. > > I've highlighted the RV-10 group area in green to make it easy for those > not camping with us to find it. We have several picnic tables and are up to > 500 square feet of canopy shade space. We'll be adding another 200 square > feet to that tomorrow (courtesy of Michael). > > We've used our discretion in where we've placed specific people based on > either camping vehicle size, consideration for tents (dry high ground), etc. > For those wondering, Dave Leikam specifically requested the same site he > had last year and it happened to be open but nothing adjacent to it was. > > The map is not to scale but the sites for those with motorhomes are larger > than those with tents and the relative positions are accurate. > > Bob > RV-10 N442PM > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305685#305685 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/osh_2010_layout_202.pdf > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Resale on RV 10
From: John Cox <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Since the beginning of time, when Randy first rolled out #40006, I have kep t a database of every listed, sold and rescended RV-10 that passed over the net. Some can slip by but not many. Boy do I have a lot of pictures of fi nished ones. It has been enlightening to say the least to see the number of non(yet to be licensed) pilots, RC pilots, and First Time offenders who ha ve taken the plunge... Successfully. And yes, I was onboard back in the da y of James McClow and his progress to that point. It has been amazing at the number of flying RV-10s that go "Listed" shortly after the build is complete. I do not believe it is about the lousy fiber glass fabbed parts. I do conclude it is the "Walter Mitty" in all of us. Flying all over the US to do EAA Tech Inspections I get to see the good, th e bad, the ugly and occassionally the exceptional build one . Some guys ar e just skilled at caressing rivets. Others are great at fabrication of car bon-fiber, avionics and ingenious improvements for the rest of us. Some ju st have a pot of money to spend in the happiness of life's pursuits. For me, the RV-10 is a 21st Century Commanche with the perks of having "The Pride of Owner Built and Maintained". Tim's site had a lot to do with the progress, ideas, motivation and what to do to tackle what initially seemed in-surmountable. My last annual on a Beech B-95 Travel Air confirmed that any RV-10 is better than any certificated production aircraft (yes even a Cirrus). The marketplace has taken a major hit in the last five years. Financial Ma rkets reflect it and we are now postured to see a rebirth or resurgence of activity. There have been too many soles lost, there can always be improv ements to what we do. The current pricing reflects natural economic forces . Supply/Demand/Risk/Profit. For those waivering, STAY THE COURSE. A les s than completed kit is worth far less than the cost of just the parts. Th e finished product is almost always worth more. The accomplishment cannot be priced. Take a moment and ask a repeat offender "Why?" Surround yourse lves with positive influences and share the journey with others. Too quick ly we forget our friend from Muscle Shoals who was doing quite well produci ng them in volume. They are just a great all around project. If I began with all the names of friends, techniques learned, smiles encoun tered I would be even more verbose. I am going to miss the Colliver's this week and wish them the best when they finally do cross the pond. This is a fine group of the best builders in the OBAM market - Worldwide. Keep the faith. The RV-10 has moved far beyond the niche market of a Lanca ir, an Epic, a GlaStar or other model VANS. The beers will be on me at Cam p Swampy. See ya all in 2 days. Oh yeh and those beautiful ole DC-3s. Bring the "Big One ON!" John Cox From: Tim Olson Sent: Wed 7/21/2010 9:02 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 hat's%20the%20depressed%20market.%20%20We're%20probably%20at%20the%20point% 20nowwhere%20our%20planes%20are%20worth%20just%20what%20we%20paid,%20and%20 nothing%20forthe%20labor...since%20they're%20only%20worth%20what%20someone% 20can/will%20pay.Combine%20that%20with%20the%20fact%20that%20with%20300%20f lying,%20RV-10's%20arenow%20common%20enough%20that%20if%20you%20want%20one, %20there%20are%20some%20youcan%20buy....it's%20not%20like%2010%20people%20a re%20shopping%20and%20there's%20only1%20plane%20to%20purchase.%20Add%20in%2 0that%20many%20builders%20built%20theirsto%20sell,%20so%20it%20brought%20pr ices%20down%20by%20increasing%20supply.Now,%20if%20they%20end%20up%20having %20the%20100LL%20issue,%20then%20what%20MAYend%20up%20being%20more%20valuab le%20are%20carbureted%20O-540%20RV-10'swith%208:1%20pistons,%20since%20lowe r%20compression%20might%20keepthose%20planes%20flying%20on%20Premium%20Auto %20fuel.But,%20I%20know%20I%20said%20it%20long%20ago%20and%20others%20have% 20too...you'rebuilding%20this%20plane%20for%20YOU,%20and%20if%20you%20fly%2 0it%20and%20keepit%20and%20maintain%20it,%20it%20should%20treat%20you%20nic e%20and%20help%20keepyour%20costs%20lower%20than%20if%20you%20bought%20some thing%20%22off%20the%20shelf%22.Tim%20Olson%20-%20RV-10%20N104CDdo%20not%20 archiveOn%207/21/2010%2010:38%20AM,%20John%20Gonzalez%20wrote: > *What's up!* > > JOhn Gonzalez 409, engine sensor connections > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Resale on RV 10
Date: Jul 21, 2010
I'll add that one could get a Cirrus Xi but it still would never meet the customizing level we have with our planes and never even come close to price. I'm with Don, the enjoyment I have received building this plane has surpassed any other accomplishment I have done in the past. The satisfaction of knowing this plane is exactly the way I designed it to look and be is worth all the work and burnout's I go through. I'll be even more glad that I know this plane so well that I can save a whole lot of money doing my own work.. and knowing the engine or the crossed cables wont fail after an annual since I know what "I" did to assure that.. The day the FAA takes that privilege away from a builder will be a sad day indeed.. As long as the plane sits in the garage waiting for more customizing, prices out there mean nothing, when I go to register the plane, comparable pricing will be everything when the California taxman cometh, shame that the plane isn't ready yet. When I go to sell it than it will be important, until than let the economy make my purchases that much more "affordable". Pascal From: Don McDonald Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 I can't believe what I'm hearing.... sorry guys, I thought we built the airplane to not only experience the build, but to fly it.... for many years. No one could have told me how much I was going to enjoy the build, coupled with the satisfaction and special feelings that you have when it finally flies. This should go down as one of ones best lifetime achievements and so much to be proud of. Then as a bonus, we have the opportunity to be part of an extended family. Hate to think I'd buy the house of my dreams and then sit around and worry about it's FMV. Sorry, I guess that's my 4 cents worth. Don McDonald Now living in a great airpark and flying an unbelievable plane. --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Jae Chang wrote: From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 10:14 AM I sure wish someone had explained the birds and the bees to me 6 years ago. It sure sounded like fun back then, but now upon hearing even this news, makes me wonder what kind of insanity i inflicted upon myself. I will gladly save them some sanity, and tell them to buy a flying aircraft, like most other sane people do! Jae 4.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.co============ =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Woods" <twoods(at)sesa.af>
Subject: Resale on RV 10
Date: Jul 22, 2010
My 3 boys and I just finished our vertical stabiliser and man, we are pretty proud of that. We all just sat back and looked at this shiny piece of aluminium and thought - cool! we just built part of an aeroplane! It is one of the first things we have done together that actually has them scrambling to ditch the playstation and get on the tools when Dad gets home. Wouldn't trade it for anything. Tony Woods Bring on the Rudder! From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2010 6:54 a.m. Subject: RE: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 Since the beginning of time, when Randy first rolled out #40006, I have kept a database of every listed, sold and rescended RV-10 that passed over the net. Some can slip by but not many. Boy do I have a lot of pictures of finished ones. It has been enlightening to say the least to see the number of non(yet to be licensed) pilots, RC pilots, and First Time offenders who have taken the plunge... Successfully. And yes, I was onboard back in the day of James McClow and his progress to that point. It has been amazing at the number of flying RV-10s that go "Listed" shortly after the build is complete. I do not believe it is about the lousy fiberglass fabbed parts. I do conclude it is the "Walter Mitty" in all of us. Flying all over the US to do EAA Tech Inspections I get to see the good, the bad, the ugly and occassionally the exceptional build one . Some guys are just skilled at caressing rivets. Others are great at fabrication of carbon-fiber, avionics and ingenious improvements for the rest of us. Some just have a pot of money to spend in the happiness of life's pursuits. For me, the RV-10 is a 21st Century Commanche with the perks of having "The Pride of Owner Built and Maintained". Tim's site had a lot to do with the progress, ideas, motivation and what to do to tackle what initially seemed in-surmountable. My last annual on a Beech B-95 Travel Air confirmed that any RV-10 is better than any certificated production aircraft (yes even a Cirrus). The marketplace has taken a major hit in the last five years. Financial Markets reflect it and we are now postured to see a rebirth or resurgence of activity. There have been too many soles lost, there can always be improvements to what we do. The current pricing reflects natural economic forces. Supply/Demand/Risk/Profit. For those waivering, STAY THE COURSE. A less than completed kit is worth far less than the cost of just the parts. The finished product is almost always worth more. The accomplishment cannot be priced. Take a moment and ask a repeat offender "Why?" Surround yourselves with positive influences and share the journey with others. Too quickly we forget our friend from Muscle Shoals who was doing quite well producing them in volume. They are just a great all around project. If I began with all the names of friends, techniques learned, smiles encountered I would be even more verbose. I am going to miss the Colliver's this week and wish them the best when they finally do cross the pond. This is a fine group of the best builders in the OBAM market - Worldwide. Keep the faith. The RV-10 has moved far beyond the niche market of a Lancair, an Epic, a GlaStar or other model VANS. The beers will be on me at Camp Swampy. See ya all in 2 days. Oh yeh and those beautiful ole DC-3s. Bring the "Big One ON!" John Cox _____ From: Tim Olson Sent: Wed 7/21/2010 9:02 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com%3EYep,%20that's%20the%20depressed%20market.%20%20We're %20probably%20at%20the%20point%20nowwhere%20our%20planes%20are%20worth%20jus t%20what%20we%20paid,%20and%20nothing%20forthe%20labor...since%20they're%20o nly%20worth%20what%20someone%20can/will%20pay.Combine%20that%20with%20the%20 fact%20that%20with%20300%20flying,%20RV-10's%20arenow%20common%20enough%20th at%20if%20you%20want%20one,%20there%20are%20some%20youcan%20buy....it's%20no t%20like%2010%20people%20are%20shopping%20and%20there's%20only1%20plane%20to %20purchase.%20Add%20in%20that%20many%20builders%20built%20theirsto%20sell,% 20so%20it%20brought%20prices%20down%20by%20increasing%20supply.Now,%20if%20t hey%20end%20up%20having%20the%20100LL%20issue,%20then%20what%20MAYend%20up%2 0being%20more%20valuable%20are%20carbureted%20O-540%20RV-10'swith%208:1%20pi stons,%20since%20lower%20compression%20might%20keepthose%20planes%20flying%2 0on%20Premium%20Auto%20fuel.But,%20I%20know%20I%20said%20it%20long%20ago%20a nd%20others%20have%20too...you'rebuilding%20this%20plane%20for%20YOU,%20and% 20if%20you%20fly%20it%20and%20keepit%20and%20maintain%20it,%20it%20should%20 treat%20you%20nice%20and%20help%20keepyour%20costs%20lower%20than%20if%20you %20bought%20something%20%22off%20the%20shelf%22.Tim%20Olson%20-%20RV-10%20N1 04CDdo%20not%20archiveOn%207/21/2010%2010:38%20AM,%20John%20Gonzalez%20wrote : > *What's up!* > > JOhn Gonzalez 409, engine sensor connections > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Resale on RV 10
Date: Jul 21, 2010
One section at a time and each time there is the same level of satisfaction when completed. Just wait until you get to the composites, they'll be scrambling alright!! Pascal From: Tony Woods Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:16 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 My 3 boys and I just finished our vertical stabiliser and man, we are pretty proud of that. We all just sat back and looked at this shiny piece of aluminium and thought - cool! we just built part of an aeroplane! It is one of the first things we have done together that actually has them scrambling to ditch the playstation and get on the tools when Dad gets home. Wouldn't trade it for anything. Tony Woods Bring on the Rudder! From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2010 6:54 a.m. Subject: RE: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 Since the beginning of time, when Randy first rolled out #40006, I have kept a database of every listed, sold and rescended RV-10 that passed over the net. Some can slip by but not many. Boy do I have a lot of pictures of finished ones. It has been enlightening to say the least to see the number of non(yet to be licensed) pilots, RC pilots, and First Time offenders who have taken the plunge... Successfully. And yes, I was onboard back in the day of James McClow and his progress to that point. It has been amazing at the number of flying RV-10s that go "Listed" shortly after the build is complete. I do not believe it is about the lousy fiberglass fabbed parts. I do conclude it is the "Walter Mitty" in all of us. Flying all over the US to do EAA Tech Inspections I get to see the good, the bad, the ugly and occassionally the exceptional build one . Some guys are just skilled at caressing rivets. Others are great at fabrication of carbon-fiber, avionics and ingenious improvements for the rest of us. Some just have a pot of money to spend in the happiness of life's pursuits. For me, the RV-10 is a 21st Century Commanche with the perks of having "The Pride of Owner Built and Maintained". Tim's site had a lot to do with the progress, ideas, motivation and what to do to tackle what initially seemed in-surmountable. My last annual on a Beech B-95 Travel Air confirmed that any RV-10 is better than any certificated production aircraft (yes even a Cirrus). The marketplace has taken a major hit in the last five years. Financial Markets reflect it and we are now postured to see a rebirth or resurgence of activity. There have been too many soles lost, there can always be improvements to what we do. The current pricing reflects natural economic forces. Supply/Demand/Risk/Profit. For those waivering, STAY THE COURSE. A less than completed kit is worth far less than the cost of just the parts. The finished product is almost always worth more. The accomplishment cannot be priced. Take a moment and ask a repeat offender "Why?" Surround yourselves with positive influences and share the journey with others. Too quickly we forget our friend from Muscle Shoals who was doing quite well producing them in volume. They are just a great all around project. If I began with all the names of friends, techniques learned, smiles encountered I would be even more verbose. I am going to miss the Colliver's this week and wish them the best when they finally do cross the pond. This is a fine group of the best builders in the OBAM market - Worldwide. Keep the faith. The RV-10 has moved far beyond the niche market of a Lancair, an Epic, a GlaStar or other model VANS. The beers will be on me at Camp Swampy. See ya all in 2 days. Oh yeh and those beautiful ole DC-3s. Bring the "Big One ON!" John Cox ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: Tim Olson Sent: Wed 7/21/2010 9:02 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com%3EYep,%20that's%20the%20depressed%20market.%20%20We 're%20probably%20at%20the%20point%20nowwhere%20our%20planes%20are%20worth %20just%20what%20we%20paid,%20and%20nothing%20forthe%20labor...since%20th ey're%20only%20worth%20what%20someone%20can/will%20pay.Combine%20that%20w ith%20the%20fact%20that%20with%20300%20flying,%20RV-10's%20arenow%20commo n%20enough%20that%20if%20you%20want%20one,%20there%20are%20some%20youcan% 20buy....it's%20not%20like%2010%20people%20are%20shopping%20and%20there's %20only1%20plane%20to%20purchase.%20Add%20in%20that%20many%20builders%20b uilt%20theirsto%20sell,%20so%20it%20brought%20prices%20down%20by%20increa sing%20supply.Now,%20if%20they%20end%20up%20having%20the%20100LL%20issue, %20then%20what%20MAYend%20up%20being%20more%20valuable%20are%20carbureted %20O-540%20RV-10'swith%208:1%20pistons,%20since%20lower%20compression%20m ight%20keepthose%20planes%20flying%20on%20Premium%20Auto%20fuel.But,%20I% 20know%20I%20said%20it%20long%20ago%20and%20others%20have%20too...you'reb uilding%20this%20plane%20for%20YOU,%20and%20if%20you%20fly%20it%20and%20k eepit%20and%20maintain%20it,%20it%20should%20treat%20you%20nice%20and%20h elp%20keepyour%20costs%20lower%20than%20if%20you%20bought%20something%20% 22off%20the%20shelf%22.Tim%20Olson%20-%20RV-10%20N104CDdo%20not%20archive On%207/21/2010%2010:38%20AM,%20John%20Gonzalez%20wrote:> *What's up!*> > JOhn Gonzalez 409, engine sensor connections> > *> > > * http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: James cowl inlet
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Sitting here scratching my head. If I had hair it would be rubbed of by now. I am working on the FAB for the Sam James cowl. Don't have the cold air or anything fancy to make this any more complicated than it already is, just the 3" inlet ring. To those who have gone before me, I have the adapter from Sam James to put the round ram air inlet to the square peg of the FAB. My questions are: 1) How much space between the aft end of the ring and the forward part of the adapter glassed onto the FAB? 2) Using the fabric stuff provided by Sam James to fill the gap between the ring and the FAB are you having issues installing the lower cowl...how did you address that. I am not sure how it even gets held on. The instructions leave a lot to builder preference on this one. Definitely looks like this is more work than the Vans cowl, but it sure does look nice:) Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305825#305825 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Lifting the fusalage without wings
Date: Jul 21, 2010
I know this has been discussed, and I could not find the thread I was looking for, but what is a good way to lift the airframe off the gear to install the wheel pants? Engine and prop are installed. Photos? Thanks! Dave Leikam RV-10 N89DA Muskego, WI ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: James cowl inlet
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Eric, I have the same setup with the round intake ring. The intake ring adapter they sold me did not fit. It was huge on the FAB side, and small on the intake ring side if I remember correctly. I made one on my own, and on the second try it worked out... I glassed the ring into the cowling, and then glassed the adapter onto it. The adapter is then slid into the baffling material attached to the end of the FAB. It takes a little work to install the cowling, but this setup actually holds the cowling in place in the front, while you button up the back end. Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305841#305841 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Van' RV-10 Wiring kit for sale
From: "mds4878" <mike(at)profishenterprises.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2010
This is a new RV-10 wiring kit for I(O)-540 part number ES WH 10 KIT I(O)-540 Van's price $710.00 plus shipping. Price $560.00. Call Mike 612-590-8604 or email mike(at)profishenterprises.com[/i] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305849#305849 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: James cowl inlet
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Thanks Lenny. My adapter is off-sized like yours as well. When the cowling is in place how much space did you have between the inlet/adapter, and the filtered air box? I can't imagine leaving more than an inch or so between the two parts. Any pics by chance? Eric Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305851#305851 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 21, 2010
From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Lifting the fusalage without wings
Try looking here: http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=5629 I used the engine hoist along with some oak 1.5"X1" sticks underneath the spar stubs. I used shorter lengths to use on 2 hydraulic jacks to get it up then rested the whole thing on the 2 sticks and the engine hoist. You can level the fuse with hoist. Later, needing the sticks out of the way for strut work, I used a cut down saw horse on top of 4 paint cans to hold the spar center section up so I could remove the sticks. Again, the engine hoist allows you to level. The tripod at the tail you may see in the photos was non-functional. Hope that helps. Bill "sand fill sand fill" Watson Dave Leikam wrote: > I know this has been discussed, and I could not find the thread I was > looking for, but what is a good way to lift the airframe off the gear > to install the wheel pants? Engine and prop are installed. Photos? > > Thanks! > > Dave Leikam > RV-10 N89DA > Muskego, WI > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk(at)me.com>
Subject: Resale on RV 10
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Robert Brunkenhoefer Sent from my Apple iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk(at)me.com> > Date: July 21, 2010 2:22:36 PM MDT > To: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com" > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 > > I own an Rv10 I did not build but I want you all to know last week as I was parked at Roswell a Columbia 400 parked next to me with the identical paint scheme. Corporate pilots waiting out the same storm were astonished to discover my airplane was experimental and that the cost for my airplane with it's fine state of the art stack and all the deluxe features as compared to the plane sitting next to it at a cost of less than 1/3 the price. They couldn't tell the difference in quality of workmanship. This happens everywhere I go. I am so proud of this aircraft . I couldn't buy any certified plane with all the bells and whistles mine has on it for anywhere near the price and mine Is brand new! I may not have the joy of owning an airplane I built for myself, but I sure enjoy the pride of ownership of the best 4 place aircraft flying today. Robert. N661G. Riding out a thunderstorm in Ruidoso > > Robert Brunkenhoefer > Sent from my Apple iPad > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:54 PM, John Cox wrote: > >> Since the beginning of time, when Randy first rolled out #40006, I have kept a database of every listed, sold and rescended RV-10 that passed over the net. Some can slip by but not many. Boy do I have a lot of pictures of finished ones. It has been enlightening to say the least to see the number of non(yet to be licensed) pilots, RC pilots, and First Time offenders who have taken the plunge... Successfully. And yes, I was onboard back in the day of James McClow and his progress to that point. >> >> It has been amazing at the number of flying RV-10s that go "Listed" shortly after the build is complete. I do not believe it is about the lousy fiberglass fabbed parts. I do conclude it is the "Walter Mitty" in all of us. Flying all over the US to do EAA Tech Inspections I get to see the good, the bad, the ugly and occassionally the exceptional build one . Some guys are just skilled at caressing rivets. Others are great at fabrication of carbon-fiber, avionics and ingenious improvements for the rest of us. Some just have a pot of money to spend in the happiness of life's pursuits. >> >> For me, the RV-10 is a 21st Century Commanche with the perks of having "The Pride of Owner Built and Maintained". Tim's site had a lot to do with the progress, ideas, motivation and what to do to tackle what initially seemed in-surmountable. My last annual on a Beech B-95 Travel Air confirmed that any RV-10 is better than any certificated production aircraft (yes even a Cirrus). >> >> The marketplace has taken a major hit in the last five years. Financial Markets reflect it and we are now postured to see a rebirt or resurgence of activity. There have been too many soles lost, there can always be improvements to what we do. The current pricing reflects natural economic forces. Supply/Demand/Risk/Profit. For those waivering, STAY THE COURSE. A less than completed kit is worth far less than the cost of just the parts. The finished product is almost always worth more. The accomplishment cannot be priced. Take a moment and ask a repeat offender "Why?" Surround yourselves with positive influences and share the journey with others. Too quickly we forget our friend from Muscle Shoals who was doing quite well producing them in volume. They are just a great all around project. >> >> If I began with all the names of friends, techniques learned, smiles encountered I would be even more verbose. I am going to miss the Colliver's this week and wish them the best when they finally do cross the pond. >> >> This is a fine group of the best builders in the OBAM market - Worldwide. Keep the faith. The RV-10 has moved far beyond the niche market of a Lancair, an Epic, a GlaStar or other model VANS. The beers will be on me at Camp Swampy. See ya all in 2 days. >> >> Oh yeh and those beautiful ole DC-3s. Bring the "Big One ON!" >> >> >> John Cox >> >> From: Tim Olson >> Sent: Wed 7/21/2010 9:02 AM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Resale on RV 10 >> mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com%3EYep,%20that's%20the%20depressed%20market.%20%20We' re%20probably%20at%20the%20point%20nowwhere%20our%20planes%20are%20worth%2 0just%20what%20we%20paid,%20and%20nothing%20forthe%20labor...since%20they' re%20only%20worth%20what%20someone%20can/will%20pay.Combine%20that%20with% 20the%20fact%20that%20with%20300%20flying,%20RV-10's%20arenow%20common%20e nough%20that%20if%20you%20want%20one,%20there%20are%20some%20youcan%20buy. ...it's%20not%20like%2010%20people%20are%20shopping%20and%20there's%20only 1%20plane%20to%20purchase.%20Add%20in%20that%20many%20builders%20built%20t heirsto%20sell,%20so%20it%20brought%20prices%20down%20by%20increasing%20su pply.Now,%20if%20they%20end%20up%20having%20the%20100LL%20issue,%20then%20 what%20MAYend%20up%20being%20more%20valuable%20are%20carbureted%20O-540%20 RV-10'swith%208:1%20pistons,%20since%20lower%20compression%20might%20keept hose%20planes%20flying%20on%20Premium%20Auto%20fuel.But,%20I%20know%20I%20 said%20it%20long%20ago%20and%20others%20have%20too...you'rebuilding%20this %20plane%20for%20YOU,%20and%20if%20you%20fly%20it%20and%20keepit%20and%20m aintain%20it,%20it%20should%20treat%20you%20nice%20and%20help%20keepyour%2 0costs%20lower%20than%20if%20you%20bought%20something%20%22off%20the%20she lf%22.Tim%20Olson%20-%20RV-10%20N104CDdo%20not%20archiveOn%207/21/2010%201 0:38%20AM,%20John%20Gonzalez%20wrote: >> > *What's up!* >> > >> > JOhn Gonzalez 409, engine sensor connections >> > >> > * >> > >> > >> > * >> >> >> >> >> >> =========== =========== =========== =========== >> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door Seals
From: "Walt Fuller" <w_fuller1(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Please forgive me if this information has been posted elsewhere on this forum. I'm wondering if anyone has applied the door seals to the openings or "jams" themselves as opposed to on the door. And if so...can you suggest a specific seal or manufacturer? Thanks in advance. Walt Fuller RV-10 build # 40584 getting the panel together Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305859#305859 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lifting the fusalage without wings
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Dave, I used a scissor jack under the fork for the nose when needed. To get the mains up I ran a passed very well padded board under the aft baggage bulkhead where the tailcone joins the forward fuse. I put a jack on a stand on one side and the engine hoist on the other and progressively lifted and leveled using a combination of the lifting devices. Never left it up for too long, but it worked great for what I needed to do, and it kept the area around the gear legs clear for working without worrying about hitting my supports. Eric Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305860#305860 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lifting the fusalage without wings
From: Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2010
I made two stainless steel angled stands that bolt into the fuselage spar attach point and have adjustable feet to level for wheel pants installation. Anyone can use them but they are probably expensive to ship. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2010, at 18:39, "Eric_Kallio" wrote: > > Dave, I used a scissor jack under the fork for the nose when needed. To get the mains up I ran a passed very well padded board under the aft baggage bulkhead where the tailcone joins the forward fuse. I put a jack on a stand on one side and the engine hoist on the other and progressively lifted and leveled using a combination of the lifting devices. Never left it up for too long, but it worked great for what I needed to do, and it kept the area around the gear legs clear for working without worrying about hitting my supports. > > Eric > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305860#305860 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: James cowl inlet
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Eric, My cowling is off at the moment so i can take some pictures for you. I tried to have as little space as possible, but if you get too close it will be impossible to put on the lower cowling. I needed to trim off a little from the end of the FAB. IIRC i have about a 1/2 - 3/4 of an inch space between the adapter on the cowling and the FAB. Will send you some pics soon. Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305865#305865 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Door Seals
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Walt If you look at the posts over the past couple of weeks you will find everything you need to know. McMaster Carr seals seem to be the seal of choice - and they do mount on the door frame and not the door. Cheers Les #40643 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walt Fuller Sent: July-21-10 6:39 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door Seals Please forgive me if this information has been posted elsewhere on this forum. I'm wondering if anyone has applied the door seals to the openings or "jams" themselves as opposed to on the door. And if so...can you suggest a specific seal or manufacturer? Thanks in advance. Walt Fuller RV-10 build # 40584 getting the panel together Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305859#305859 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever <roxianmike(at)msn.com>
Subject: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Les=2C I have to reach out and thank you for this contribution as well as B ob for surfacing it again. I have not been working on my 10 for about a ye ar because I was discouraged at the outcome of the door fit and basically c ould not move forward. Seeing what you did has solved my problem of how to build up the frame to establish an appropriate gap for the door.......I co uldn't figure out how to do that previously=2C thank you!! > From: kearney(at)shaw.ca > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place > Date: Tue=2C 20 Jul 2010 19:26:31 -0600 > > > Hi > > Here is the document Fred mentioned. I sent a few emails describing what I > did to Pat Pulis in Australia who converted them into a small Word Doc. > > My doors are largely done and close quite nicely - not perfect but pretty > good. The techniques are all borrowed from those who have gone before so I > take no credit whatsoever. > > The one thing that made a HUGE difference was not installing screws in th e > door frame until after the doors were fitted. Being able to move the door > frame in by an 1/8th of an inch on one side made a very tight door easy t o > close. > > I also found the door latches close much easier if lubricated with white > grease. There is a lot of internal friction in the stock Van's setup - or so > I found. > > When fitting and adjusting the doors and gap=2C be sure to have all the d oor > hardware installed - especially the door openers. I found these do affect > the geometry and how easily the doors open / close. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler > Sent: July-20-10 5:06 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place > > > This what I did=2C which I've copied from several other builders that did the > same before me. > > When you trim the rain gutter=2C trim in square so the trim installs in t he > appropriate orientation. You will have to build up portions of the rain > gutter to 1/4". The best method is to use thin strips of glass since ther e > are places that you'll need to build up over 1/8". So folks have just use d > micro or flox=2C but I think using fiberglass strips will make it stronge r. > There are some places where you may also need to sand a flat area on the > back side to get a good grip. > > Ivan Kristensen and Geoff Combs have good photos on their sites. Ivan als o > has a video showing the dimensions on his rain gutter after trimming. I'v e > tried pulling off the seal on Geoff's RV-10. It's almost impossible to ge t > off and it's not glued. He just built up the edge so the fit is very tigh t. > > Les Kearney wrote a doc on how he did his door seals. I can forward a cop y > if anyone wants it. He also filled in the rear of the seal so it's smooth > on the interior. Basically making a channel for the seal to sit in. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jchang10 > Sent: Tuesday=2C July 20=2C 2010 5:32 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place > > --> > > I finally decided to use the same mcmaster carr seal. in the process of > trimming the door frame to make room for the seal=2C i was curious about what > others may have done to keep the door seal in place. > > you can see in the picture linked below=2C that it would be great to make that > barb useful. the barb is located on the interior=2C to minimize the amoun t of > distortion the seal makes on the door. > > however=2C now would be a good time to find a solution to use that barb. the > possible options i can think of are: > > 1. create a channel or lip to catch the barb. the tricky part is that the > edge tapers quite a bit on the end. > > 2. build up a channel or lip. thus=2C how to build it up nicely? > > 3. do nothing at all and glue it in. > > thus=2C i'm left pondering what approach the many others who have gone do wn > this path have taken? > > http://lh6.ggpht.com/_E3nI7J8M6Iw/TEYT7M07YnI/AAAAAAAAB80/85rOXQ2Amsk/s64 0/I > MG_0010.JPG > > Jae > 40533 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305641#305641 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Resale on RV 10
From: "jchang10" <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Sorry everyone. I had to have my own Lindsay Lohan moment. Just gotta do the time and enjoy the accomplishment when it's done. ;) Jae 40533 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305883#305883 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place
Date: Jul 21, 2010
Mike The doors were truly frustrating to start. Even being as careful as possible and following the instructions carefully I still had issues to figure out. To start, the index holes that aligned the door halves were missing so I had to guess where they should have been. After bonding the doors and prior to cutting the excess door material, I placed a few small stacks of popsicle sticks under the door flange so that the door would sit reasonably high off the door sill. I didn't want the door to sit on the sill as this would have cause problems. After mounting door hinges and opener, I found the open bracket on the door was too far down - I will end up fabbing new brackets. I also had to glass in a couple of depressions in the door to allow the cabin hinge to clear the door. If I had to do it again, I wouldn't mount the hinge hardware on the cabin to until I had the doors placed on the side of the cabin top. Then I would locate them to avoid the interference. When I first closed the doors I was horrified by how much effort was required to close them and engage the latches. I was convinced I was going to have to get one new door and start again one one side. Greasing the latches made a big difference on how easy the door mechanism worked. I then spent a lot of time staring at the doors trying to figure out how I could change the geometry. What I found was that one door was binding at the very top and in a hard to see spot. Once that was fixed the door seem to sit better. I then sanded the opening until I could run a feeler gauge completely around the door and confirm nothing was touching. Then I moved the door sill in by about an 1/8" and it took a lot of pressure off the door seals and made closing easier. I also sanded down the door flange on the door side to take pressure of the seals. Where necessary I built up the interior side to get a reasonable flange thickness to hold the seals. I also put a shim between the front hinge and the door so that the level of the door more closely matched the cabin top. I didn't worry about the gap until after the doors were opening and closing easily. To close them now, the pressure of a single finger on the outside is sufficient to bring them in far enough to engage the latches. In the midst of all this, I installed the IFLYRV10 billet handles which I like a great deal. What nearly had me screaming was when one of them seized while I was working the mechanism. It took some doing to get the handle off. I used ultra fine sandpaper to clean up the wear surfaces on the parts that seized and then lubricated with white grease. Problem solved - but for an hour or so I was intensely frustrated. I still have to retrofit Seans door latch and I hope that it will allow me to pull the door in sufficiently for the doors to latch with no real effort. At times the doorrs, as well as most other aspects of the build, have been very frustrating. But this is all part of learning new skills. Unfortunately the kit does not have "replacement parts" for the things that are easy to bugger up. Application of a few dollars and a courier from Oregon and the problem is solved. Cheers Les #40643 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roxanne and Mike Lefever Sent: July-21-10 7:36 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place Les, I have to reach out and thank you for this contribution as well as Bob for surfacing it again. I have not been working on my 10 for about a year because I was discouraged at the outcome of the door fit and basically could not move forward. Seeing what you did has solved my problem of how to build up the frame to establish an appropriate gap for the door.......I couldn't figure out how to do that previously, thank you!! > From: kearney(at)shaw.ca > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:26:31 -0600 > > > Hi > > Here is the document Fred mentioned. I sent a few emails describing what I > did to Pat Pulis in Australia who converted them into a small Word Doc. > > My doors are largely done and close quite nicely - not perfect but pretty > good. The techniques are all borrowed from those who have gone before so I > take no credit whatsoever. > > The one thing that made a HUGE difference was not installing screws in the > door frame until after the doors were fitted. Being able to move the door > frame in by an 1/8th of an inch on one side made a very tight door easy to > close. > > I also found the door latches close much easier if lubricated with white > grease. There is a lot of internal friction in the stock Van's setup - or so > I found. > > When fitting and adjusting the doors and gap, be sure to have all the door > hardware installed - especially the door openers. I found these do affect > the geometry and how easily the doors open / close. > > Cheers > > Les > #40643 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler > Sent: July-20-10 5:06 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place > > > This what I did, which I've copied from several other builders that did the > same before me. > > When you trim the rain gutter, trim in square so the trim installs in the > appropriate orientation. You will have to build up portions of the rain > gutter to 1/4". The best method is to use thin strips of glass since there > are places that you'll need to build up over 1/8". So folks have just used > micro or flox, but I think using fiberglass strips will make it stronger. > There are some places where you may also need to sand a flat area on the > back side to get a good grip. > > Ivan Kristensen and Geoff Combs have good photos on their sites. Ivan also > has a video showing the dimensions on his rain gutter after trimming. I've > tried pulling off the seal on Geoff's RV-10. It's almost impossible to get > off and it's not glued. He just built up the edge so the fit is very tight. > > Les Kearney wrote a doc on how he did his door seals. I can forward a copy > if anyone wants it. He also filled in the rear of the seal so it's smooth > on the interior. Basically making a channel for the seal to sit in. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jchang10 > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 5:32 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Retaining Mcmaster carr door seal in place > > --> > > I finally decided to use the same mcmaster carr seal. in the process of > trimming the door frame to make room for the seal, i was curious about what > others may have done to keep the door seal in place. > > you can see in the picture linked below, that it would be great to make that > barb useful. the barb is located on the interior, to minimize the amount of > distortion the seal makes on the door. > > however, now would be a good time to find a solution to use that barb. the > possible options i can think of are: > > 1. create a channel or lip to catch the barb. the tricky part is that the > edge tapers quite a bit on the end. > > 2. build up a channel or lip. thus, how to build it up nicely? > > 3. do nothing at all and glue it in. > > thus, i'm left pondering what approach the many others who have gone down > this path have taken? > > http://lh6.ggpht.com/_E3nI7J8M6Iw/TEYT7M07YnI/AAAAAAAAB80/85rOXQ2Amsk/s640/I > MG_0010.JPG > > Jae > 40533 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305641#305641 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
From: Kevin Belue <kdbelue(at)charter.net>
Date: Jul 22, 2010
Bob, How are the conditions at Osh - is it real muddy? It looks like there's a lot of rain! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:17 PM, "bcondrey" wrote: > > Staking out of sites for this year has been completed. Our RV-10 group is located just off Lindbergh between 53rd and 54th. We are about 100 feet south of Lindberg this year rather than being right on the street. Rather than organizing our group in 2 long rows like last year, we've spread over 3 rows to keep all our sites on the high ground. The low lying areas are swampy enough that you get splashing when you walk through them. The high ground is doing well enough that Class As are parking with no issue. > > We again have a large open area and have acquired 4 picnic tables and so far have 5 10x10 canopies for our community to use. The grass is pretty long in Scholler but Michael Sausen has generously offered use of his lawnmower for use by those that want to mow their sites. > > Even though it has been very wet here for the last couple of weeks, the crowd is much larger than I've seen in recent years. Part of that might be because of people avoiding the low lying areas where it's still swampy. > > The field is still fairly wet and they aren't yet parking planes in the normal (HBP and North 40) areas. I did however see 4 planes in the N40 area this afternoon. Most planes are along the showplane area along the hard surfaces. There isn't a specific target to start moving them but I assume that it's being figured out... > > Bob > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305540#305540 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2010
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
Yes is the short answer. It was drying out fairly well except for the low spots but now rain all day today. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com> Sent: Thu Jul 22 07:55:57 2010 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ Bob, How are the conditions at Osh - is it real muddy? It looks like there's a lot of rain! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:17 PM, "bcondrey" wrote: > > Staking out of sites for this year has been completed. Our RV-10 group is located just off Lindbergh between 53rd and 54th. We are about 100 feet south of Lindberg this year rather than being right on the street. Rather than organizing our group in 2 long rows like last year, we've spread over 3 rows to keep all our sites on the high ground. The low lying areas are swampy enough that you get splashing when you walk through them. The high ground is doing well enough that Class As are parking with no issue. > > We again have a large open area and have acquired 4 picnic tables and so far have 5 10x10 canopies for our community to use. The grass is pretty long in Scholler but Michael Sausen has generously offered use of his lawnmower for use by those that want to mow their sites. > > Even though it has been very wet here for the last couple of weeks, the crowd is much larger than I've seen in recent years. Part of that might be because of people avoiding the low lying areas where it's still swampy. > > The field is still fairly wet and they aren't yet parking planes in the normal (HBP and North 40) areas. I did however see 4 planes in the N40 area this afternoon. Most planes are along the showplane area along the hard surfaces. There isn't a specific target to start moving them but I assume that it's being figured out... > > Bob > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305540#305540 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Jul 22, 2010
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
... and into the morning tomorrow. Couple more inches in the next 24 hours is the last I heard for the area. Biggest problem is the ground is saturated which is why we are once again under flash flood watches. The rivers and lakes here are up to spring levels which is about 5' - 6' higher than what we normally see this time of year. Fortunately the forecast into next week is still holding and it looks to be a beautiful week with low humidity, temps in the upper 70's to low 80's, light breeze, and sun. Should dry out reasonably well once the rain stops Saturday. Looking forward to seeing everyone again! Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:32 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ --> Yes is the short answer. It was drying out fairly well except for the low spots but now rain all day today. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com> Sent: Thu Jul 22 07:55:57 2010 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ Bob, How are the conditions at Osh - is it real muddy? It looks like there's a lot of rain! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:17 PM, "bcondrey" wrote: > --> > > Staking out of sites for this year has been completed. Our RV-10 group is located just off Lindbergh between 53rd and 54th. We are about 100 feet south of Lindberg this year rather than being right on the street. Rather than organizing our group in 2 long rows like last year, we've spread over 3 rows to keep all our sites on the high ground. The low lying areas are swampy enough that you get splashing when you walk through them. The high ground is doing well enough that Class As are parking with no issue. > > We again have a large open area and have acquired 4 picnic tables and so far have 5 10x10 canopies for our community to use. The grass is pretty long in Scholler but Michael Sausen has generously offered use of his lawnmower for use by those that want to mow their sites. > > Even though it has been very wet here for the last couple of weeks, the crowd is much larger than I've seen in recent years. Part of that might be because of people avoiding the low lying areas where it's still swampy. > > The field is still fairly wet and they aren't yet parking planes in the normal (HBP and North 40) areas. I did however see 4 planes in the N40 area this afternoon. Most planes are along the showplane area along the hard surfaces. There isn't a specific target to start moving them but I assume that it's being figured out... > > Bob > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305540#305540 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Barry Marz <blalmarz(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: K&N Airfilter P/N
Date: Jul 22, 2010
I want to get an air filter here local but the P/N of my filter K&N A077A6 does not come up on the web sites. I know Van's P/N is E3450. Does anyone have a K&N P/N for Van's Airbox filter? Thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: K&N Airfilter P/N
Date: Jul 22, 2010
If its the one I have, it gets cleaned , not replaced. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Marz" <blalmarz(at)embarqmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: K&N Airfilter P/N > > I want to get an air filter here local but the P/N of my filter K&N > A077A6 does not come up on the web sites. I know Van's P/N is E3450. > Does anyone have a K&N P/N for Van's Airbox filter? Thanks > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2010
From: Carlos Hernandez <carlosh(at)structuralaz.com>
Subject: Re: K&N Airfilter P/N
Barry, Here's some info for ya. Van's part # E3450 = K&N Universal Air Filter: 7-3/4" OD; 6-1/4" Id; 2-1/2" H _Autozone part # E-3450_ http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/K-N-7-75-in-o-d-x-6-25-in-i-d-x-2-5-in-height-straight-round-air-filter/_/N-25om?counter=0&filterByKeyWord=E-3450&fromString=search&itemIdentifier=92891_0_0_ _Checker part # E3450_ http://checkerauto.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=KNN&MfrPartNumber=E3450 Carlos in Arizona DLM wrote: > > If its the one I have, it gets cleaned , not replaced. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Marz" <blalmarz(at)embarqmail.com> > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:05 AM > Subject: RV10-List: K&N Airfilter P/N > > >> >> I want to get an air filter here local but the P/N of my filter K&N >> A077A6 does not come up on the web sites. I know Van's P/N is E3450. >> Does anyone have a K&N P/N for Van's Airbox filter? Thanks >> >> >> > > -- Carlos Hernandez <carlosh@sec-engr.com> Structural Engineers Company 2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3 Chandler, AZ 85224 Phone: 480.968.8600 Fax: 480.968.8608 www.sec-engr.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this email may be confidential and/or privileged. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual or organization named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copyingof this email and its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is prohibited. If you havereceived this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: K&N Airfilter P/N
Date: Jul 22, 2010
Clean it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Hernandez" <carlosh(at)structuralaz.com> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:38 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: K&N Airfilter P/N > > > Barry, > Here's some info for ya. > > Van's part # E3450 = K&N Universal Air Filter: 7-3/4" OD; 6-1/4" Id; > 2-1/2" H > > _Autozone part # E-3450_ > http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/K-N-7-75-in-o-d-x-6-25-in-i-d-x-2-5-in-height-straight-round-air-filter/_/N-25om?counter=0&filterByKeyWord=E-3450&fromString=search&itemIdentifier=92891_0_0_ > > _Checker part # E3450_ > http://checkerauto.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=KNN&MfrPartNumber=E3450 > > Carlos in Arizona > > > DLM wrote: >> >> If its the one I have, it gets cleaned , not replaced. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Marz" <blalmarz(at)embarqmail.com> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:05 AM >> Subject: RV10-List: K&N Airfilter P/N >> >> >>> >>> I want to get an air filter here local but the P/N of my filter K&N >>> A077A6 does not come up on the web sites. I know Van's P/N is E3450. >>> Does anyone have a K&N P/N for Van's Airbox filter? Thanks >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Carlos Hernandez <carlosh@sec-engr.com> > Structural Engineers Company > 2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3 > Chandler, AZ 85224 > Phone: 480.968.8600 > Fax: 480.968.8608 > www.sec-engr.com > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The information in this email may be confidential and/or privileged. > This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual or > organization named above. If you are not the intended recipient or > an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any review, dissemination or copyingof this email and > its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is > prohibited. If you havereceived this email in error, please > immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email > from your system. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2010
From: Carlos Hernandez <carlosh(at)structuralaz.com>
Subject: Re: K&N Airfilter P/N
Sure he can clean it. But he asked where to get one locally and for it's part number. DLM wrote: > > Clean it. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Hernandez" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: K&N Airfilter P/N > > >> >> >> Barry, >> Here's some info for ya. >> >> Van's part # E3450 = K&N Universal Air Filter: 7-3/4" OD; 6-1/4" Id; >> 2-1/2" H >> >> _Autozone part # E-3450_ >> http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/K-N-7-75-in-o-d-x-6-25-in-i-d-x-2-5-in-height-straight-round-air-filter/_/N-25om?counter=0&filterByKeyWord=E-3450&fromString=search&itemIdentifier=92891_0_0_ >> >> >> _Checker part # E3450_ >> http://checkerauto.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=KNN&MfrPartNumber=E3450 >> >> >> Carlos in Arizona >> >> >> >> DLM wrote: >>> >>> If its the one I have, it gets cleaned , not replaced. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Marz" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:05 AM >>> Subject: RV10-List: K&N Airfilter P/N >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I want to get an air filter here local but the P/N of my filter K&N >>>> A077A6 does not come up on the web sites. I know Van's P/N is >>>> E3450. Does anyone have a K&N P/N for Van's Airbox filter? Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Carlos Hernandez <carlosh@sec-engr.com> >> Structural Engineers Company >> 2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3 >> Chandler, AZ 85224 >> Phone: 480.968.8600 >> Fax: 480.968.8608 >> www.sec-engr.com >> >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> The information in this email may be confidential and/or privileged. >> This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual or >> organization named above. If you are not the intended recipient or >> an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified that any review, dissemination or copyingof this email and >> its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is >> prohibited. If you havereceived this email in error, please >> immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email >> from your system. >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Carlos Hernandez <carlosh@sec-engr.com> Structural Engineers Company 2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3 Chandler, AZ 85224 Phone: 480.968.8600 Fax: 480.968.8608 www.sec-engr.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this email may be confidential and/or privileged. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual or organization named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copyingof this email and its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is prohibited. If you havereceived this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
From: "rleffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2010
msausen wrote: > Fortunately the forecast into next week is still holding and it looks to be a beautiful week with low humidity, temps in the upper 70's to low 80's, light breeze, and sun. Should dry out reasonably well once the rain stops Saturday. Looking forward to seeing everyone again! > > Michael > > -- So does that mean you now have a large lake in your backyard? I seem to recall that there was a pond or stream adjacent to your backyard. Hopefully there is no threat of flooding at your place. Counting down the hours......... Packing tonight and leaving tomorrow. bob -------- Bob Leffler N410BL - Finish RV-10 #40684 http://mykitlog.com/rleffler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305998#305998 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: K&N Airfilter P/N
Date: Jul 22, 2010
I bought a second one so I would always have a cleaned, dryed and oiled one at the hangar for maintenance days. Did the same with brake pads/pressure plates/back plates. Makes maintenance go much faster if refreshed parts are put together and ready to go in. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Hernandez<mailto:carlosh(at)structuralaz.com> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: K&N Airfilter P/N > Sure he can clean it. But he asked where to get one locally and for it's part number. DLM wrote: > > > Clean it. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Hernandez" > > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: K&N Airfilter P/N > > >> > >> >> Barry, >> Here's some info for ya. >> >> Van's part # E3450 = K&N Universal Air Filter: 7-3/4" OD; 6-1/4" Id; >> 2-1/2" H >> >> _Autozone part # E-3450_ >> http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/K-N-7-75-in-o-d-x-6-25-in-i- d-x-2-5-in-height-straight-round-air-filter/_/N-25om?counter=0&filterBy KeyWord=E-3450&fromString=search&itemIdentifier=92891_0_0<http://ww w.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/K-N-7-75-in-o-d-x-6-25-in-i-d-x-2-5-i n-height-straight-round-air-filter/_/N-25om?counter=0&filterByKeyWord= E-3450&fromString=search&itemIdentifier=92891_0_0>_ >> >> >> _Checker part # E3450_ >> http://checkerauto.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=KNN&MfrPartNumber=E 3450<http://checkerauto.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=KNN&MfrPartNumbe r=E3450> >> >> >> Carlos in Arizona >> >> >> >> DLM wrote: > >>> >>> If its the one I have, it gets cleaned , not replaced. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Marz" >>> > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:05 AM >>> Subject: RV10-List: K&N Airfilter P/N >>> >>> > >>>> >>>> I want to get an air filter here local but the P/N of my filter K&N >>>> A077A6 does not come up on the web sites. I know Van's P/N is >>>> E3450. Does anyone have a K&N P/N for Van's Airbox filter? Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Carlos Hernandez <carlosh@sec-engr.com> >> Structural Engineers Company >> 2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3 >> Chandler, AZ 85224 >> Phone: 480.968.8600 >> Fax: 480.968.8608 >> www.sec-engr.com<http://www.sec-engr.com/> >> >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> The information in this email may be confidential and/or privileged. >> This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual or >> organization named above. If you are not the intended recipient or >> an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified that any review, dissemination or copyingof this email and >> its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is >> prohibited. If you havereceived this email in error, please >> immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email >> from your system. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -- Carlos Hernandez <carlosh@sec-engr.com> Structural Engineers Company 2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3 Chandler, AZ 85224 Phone: 480.968.8600 Fax: 480.968.8608 www.sec-engr.com<http://www.sec-engr.com/> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this email may be confidential and/or privileged. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual or organization named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copyingof this email and its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is prohibited. If you havereceived this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List igator?RV10-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Jul 22, 2010
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
Wolf River is behind me but na, I'm a foot above the 100 year flood stage so it would need this kind of rain in the spring before I would have a problem. It is a bit odd seeing it this high now though. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rleffler Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ msausen wrote: > Fortunately the forecast into next week is still holding and it looks to be a beautiful week with low humidity, temps in the upper 70's to low 80's, light breeze, and sun. Should dry out reasonably well once the rain stops Saturday. Looking forward to seeing everyone again! > > Michael > > -- So does that mean you now have a large lake in your backyard? I seem to recall that there was a pond or stream adjacent to your backyard. Hopefully there is no threat of flooding at your place. Counting down the hours......... Packing tonight and leaving tomorrow. bob -------- Bob Leffler N410BL - Finish RV-10 #40684
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From: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
Date: Jul 22, 2010
When in Tulsa in the late 70s we had a 300 and 500 year flood in a single storm. seven inches in three hours. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:10 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ > > > Wolf River is behind me but na, I'm a foot above the 100 year flood stage > so it would need this kind of rain in the spring before I would have a > problem. It is a bit odd seeing it this high now though. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rleffler > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:29 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ > > > msausen wrote: >> Fortunately the forecast into next week is still holding and it looks >> to be a beautiful week with low humidity, temps in the upper 70's to low >> 80's, light breeze, and sun. Should dry out reasonably well once the >> rain stops Saturday. Looking forward to seeing everyone again! >> >> Michael >> >> -- > > > So does that mean you now have a large lake in your backyard? I seem to > recall that there was a pond or stream adjacent to your backyard. > Hopefully there is no threat of flooding at your place. > > Counting down the hours......... Packing tonight and leaving tomorrow. > > bob > > -------- > Bob Leffler > N410BL - Finish > RV-10 #40684 > http://mykitlog.com/rleffler > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305998#305998 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Barry Marz <blalmarz(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: K&N Airfilter P/N
Date: Jul 22, 2010
Thanks guys for the P/N. For your info, I installed an Electronic Ignition which had two wires crossed on the pinout and I got a backfire on start up and the air filter caught on fire. Well it did not actually flame up, but it smoldered like a coleman lantern mantel; got my attention. Thanks Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Neal George <n8zg(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
Date: Jul 22, 2010
Here's the Scholler River... JUJU Neal George Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2010, at 5:10 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" wrote: sausen.net> > > Wolf River is behind me but na, I'm a foot above the 100 year flood stage s o it would need this kind of rain in the spring before I would have a proble m. It is a bit odd seeing it this high now though. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of rleffler > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:29 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ > > > > msausen wrote: >> Fortunately the forecast into next week is still holding and it looks to be a beautiful week with low humidity, temps in the upper 70's to low 80's, light breeze, and sun. Should dry out reasonably well once the rain stops S aturday. Looking forward to seeing everyone again! >> >> Michael >> >> -- > > > So does that mean you now have a large lake in your backyard? I seem to r ecall that there was a pond or stream adjacent to your backyard. Hopefully t here is no threat of flooding at your place. > > Counting down the hours......... Packing tonight and leaving tomorrow. > > bob > > -------- > Bob Leffler > N410BL - Finish > RV-10 #40684 > http://mykitlog.com/rleffler > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305998#305998 > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >

      
      
      
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From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
Date: Jul 22, 2010
How's the rv10 parking area? Jesse Saint Saint Aviation jesse(at)saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Neal George wrote: > Here's the Scholler River... > JUJU > > > > > > Neal George > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 22, 2010, at 5:10 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" > wrote: > >> > >> >> Wolf River is behind me but na, I'm a foot above the 100 year flood >> stage so it would need this kind of rain in the spring before I >> would have a problem. It is a bit odd seeing it this high now >> though. >> >> Michael >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- >> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rleffler >> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:29 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ >> >> >> >> msausen wrote: >>> Fortunately the forecast into next week is still holding and it >>> looks to be a beautiful week with low humidity, temps in the upper >>> 70's to low 80's, light breeze, and sun. Should dry out >>> reasonably well once the rain stops Saturday. Looking forward to >>> seeing everyone again! >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> -- >> >> >> So does that mean you now have a large lake in your backyard? I >> seem to recall that there was a pond or stream adjacent to your >> backyard. Hopefully there is no threat of flooding at your place. >> >> Counting down the hours......... Packing tonight and leaving >> tomorrow. >> >> bob >> >> -------- >> Bob Leffler >> N410BL - Finish >> RV-10 #40684 >> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305998#305998 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== >> >> >> > >

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From: Neal George <n8zg(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
Date: Jul 22, 2010
Bob says it's fine. Two -10's parked there now. Neal George Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > > How's the rv10 parking area? > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation > jesse(at)saintaviation.com > 352-427-0285 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 22, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Neal George wrote: > >> Here's the Scholler River... >> JUJU >> >> >> >> >> >> Neal George >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 22, 2010, at 5:10 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" wrote: >> >>> >>> Wolf River is behind me but na, I'm a foot above the 100 year flood stage so it would need this kind of rain in the spring before I would have a problem. It is a bit odd seeing it this high now though. >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rleffler >>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:29 PM >>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ >>> >>> >>> >>> msausen wrote: >>>> Fortunately the forecast into next week is still holding and it looks to be a beautiful week with low humidity, temps in the upper 70's to low 80's, light breeze, and sun. Should dry out reasonably well once the rain stops Saturday. Looking forward to seeing everyone again! >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> >>> So does that mean you now have a large lake in your backyard? I seem to recall that there was a pond or stream adjacent to your backyard. Hopefully there is no threat of flooding at your place. >>> >>> Counting down the hours......... Packing tonight and leaving tomorrow. >>> >>> bob >>> >>> -------- >>> Bob Leffler >>> N410BL - Finish >>> RV-10 #40684 >>> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305998#305998 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> =================================== >> =================================== >> =================================== >> =================================== >>> >>> >>> >> >>

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From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2010
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
Ok - walked part of it a couple of goes ago. 2 RV-10s so far. Not bad since there are only a half dozen home builts so far. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com> Sent: Thu Jul 22 16:04:51 2010 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ How's the rv10 parking area? Jesse Saint Saint Aviation jesse(at)saintaviation.com 352-427-0285 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Neal George wrote: > Here's the Scholler River... > JUJU > > > > > > Neal George > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 22, 2010, at 5:10 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" > wrote: > >> > >> >> Wolf River is behind me but na, I'm a foot above the 100 year flood >> stage so it would need this kind of rain in the spring before I >> would have a problem. It is a bit odd seeing it this high now >> though. >> >> Michael >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- >> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rleffler >> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:29 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ >> >> >> >> msausen wrote: >>> Fortunately the forecast into next week is still holding and it >>> looks to be a beautiful week with low humidity, temps in the upper >>> 70's to low 80's, light breeze, and sun. Should dry out >>> reasonably well once the rain stops Saturday. Looking forward to >>> seeing everyone again! >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> -- >> >> >> So does that mean you now have a large lake in your backyard? I >> seem to recall that there was a pond or stream adjacent to your >> backyard. Hopefully there is no threat of flooding at your place. >> >> Counting down the hours......... Packing tonight and leaving >> tomorrow. >> >> bob >> >> -------- >> Bob Leffler >> N410BL - Finish >> RV-10 #40684 >> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305998#305998 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== >> >> >> > >

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From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2010
Subject: Re: RV-10 HQ
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