RV10-Archive.digest.vol-ic
March 20, 2011 - April 08, 2011
-----Original Message-----
| From: | owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com |
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 10:39 PM
For those who are flying a G900X panel,
How does the system calculate "TTL Time in Service?" I called Garmin and
the guy I spoke with told me he would get and answer and call me back, two
days ago.
It is not from engine start to shut down.
David Leikam
RV10
40496
N89DA
Flying
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| Subject: | Re: engine cables |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
I ordered RV-7 throttle cable from Van's. The remaining two from ACS per Ivan's
information. It took 9 weeks to get them, so order early! They cost twice as
much. They appear to be a little better quality with a larger hole needed at cockpit
bracket than Van's. Won't install them for another two to three months.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09.
Fuselage Sec 45 Doors/Transparencies- 1228 hrs to date.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334535#334535
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| Subject: | Doors and Sean Strasburg's kit |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
Still working on doors. Yes, adding the windows and latch assy. does change the
door fit. I'm sure the McMaster Carr seal will too. The doors seemed pretty stiff
until adding more weight, then there is really alot of flexing at the door
hinge attachments. Sean makes a good kit, definitely worth the money. I just
wish I had one set of instructions to go by instead of going back and forth.
The only thing I noticed so far that does not seem right is cutting the latch
pins 1 3/4" past the "closed/extended position mark". This does not allow enough
of the untapered pin to extend into jambs properly. I think I will leave 2"
on the second door today. Then it is on to cutting/building up the cabin cover
flange for the seal. How much compression do I really need on that door seal??
I was thinking maybe about 3/16" or half the bulb diameter to keep from putting
so much tension on the door. I think I have about 1/16" clearance between
flange and door at the top so that will really need some grinding and building
up on the bottom side. Any advice is much appreciated!
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09.
Fuselage Sec 45 Doors/Transparencies- 1228 hrs to date.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334538#334538
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| From: | Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
Here is the clone site URL:
http://airplanelogs.com/
Robin
*From:* Robin Marks [mailto:Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:27 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV10-List: G900X
Gary & David,
Another way to do that is during shutdown (on my system) the MFD
is turned off but the PFD stays on. At that point it is just like revision
mode. Follow the procedure listed below Engine > System to get your time.
I have two other suggestions.
Some time ago I mentioned to the RV List a free website called
www.CirrusReports.com I record my flight data for every flight on the top
MFD SD Card slot. About once every 4-6 flights I swap out the SD card for
the backup SD card I carry in my flight bag camera case. Take the SD card to
any computer, delete any small files that represent engine starts but not
flights (they are obvious due to file size) and then upload the flight data
to CR.com. The upload process is fast & easy. I uploaded 6 flights yesterday
and it took probably 2 minutes. From there CR.com presents every single
engine & flight parameter you can imagine including Geo-referenced map, and
charts of every engine item with the option to display any 4 individual
items at once so you can see for example Fuel Flow vs. CHT's. Speed vs. RPM.
The combinations are enlightening. It also has a spread sheet function to
give you Departure/Arrival times, Hobbs time, Flight time etc... In many
ways it can substitute for your Log Book as far as accurate flight dates,
hours, notes. You can choose to make your flight data public or keep it
private. I have decided to make mine available to the public.
http://www.cirrusreports.com/flights/N110EE/ Because it has this data it
also has a simple export to Google Earth in both 3D view & Cockpit View.
Here is a screen capture of the 3D view for a local flight I took back in
August. Again this took less than 1 minute to produce:
[image: Flight.JPG]
Here is a close up (from the other side of the airport) of my departure &
arrival on different runways plus the over flight of the airport. It even
shows I taxied back to Self Serve Fuel. Very powerful!
[image: flight2.JPG]
Nice feature!
Moving on I have one more suggestion. If you have not installed the latest
version of the G900X OS. It has many small changes I have noticed. For
example it has Ground Speed now displayed next to True Air Speed so I can
eliminate the GS I normally had as an option on the MFD and can use that
space for some other parameter like ETA. It has an updated Flight Planning
system and displays including different flags that I still have no idea what
they mean. It also has some really cool features like anytime you scroll
over an airport or roll over one in the Flight Planner it gives you instant
weather reporting vs. having to push a couple of additional page buttons and
leave the map display to get updated field WX info. Very tidy info. I bring
this up because I bet there is a better representation of times in the new
OS. I just have not played with it enough to know the differences yet. Also
if you want to make a stink about these times with Garmin one day they may
just place the times in their own section on the appropriate status page
some day as they should have from the start.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: G900X
This is one of the dumb features on an otherwise great system. To get to
time in service, press the red reversion button on the audio panel. Then on
the PFD select the engine soft button and then in the lower left corner is
the time in service. I think it calculates only flying time derived from
ground speed trigger, but am not totally sure about that.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leikam
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 10:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: G900X
For those who are flying a G900X panel,
How does the system calculate "TTL Time in Service?" I called Garmin and
the guy I spoke with told me he would get and answer and call me back, two
days ago.
It is not from engine start to shut down.
David Leikam
RV10
40496
N89DA
Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Doors and Sean Strasburg's kit |
| From: | "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
Hey Wayne,
Pin extension is totally up to the builder. I recommend 1-1/4+. The way Vans'
plans have it you get just over an inch. The reason I suggest 1-3/4 on the 180
kit is to take advantage of the cam and to allow it to pull the door in before
the pins come out of the door. Anything over an inch is better than the original
design.
When I initially built my doors I had my seal squeezed way too much and finally
relieved it by making my door reveal 1/4 instead of 3/16. This is still really
tight and the door shuts with minimal effort.
McMaster seals come in both 3/16 and 1/4 edges so if you are too tight with a 1/4
inch lip you can do what I did and take off a 1/16 and make it 3/16 edge.
This makes the reveal bigger, which in my case 1/4. Hope that made sense and
I hope this helps.
Anyone should call if you have any questions. 801-580-3737
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Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334553#334553
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| From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)yahoo.ca> |
Hi all
-
I have just started to do an initial fit of the fuel tank and leading edge
ribs into the skins and found the ribs to be extremely difficult to seat in
to the nose of the skins, at least to have the holes line up for the clecoe
s.-
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I have fluted and straightened the ribs, and still they appear to be far ti
ghter than the vertical stab ever was.- Can't imagine throwing tank seala
nt into the mix.
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Any suggestions or words of advise????
-
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont=0A=0A
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| From: | "Billy & Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net> |
I was in the same situation as you a couple months ago. These do seem
to be the tightest fitting ribs so far in the whole build. The easiest
way I found to get them in is to start on the top side leading edges and
just start a few clecoes in them. Then flip the skin/ribs over and work
them into place adding a few clecoes on this side. Flip back over and
add a few more. Do a few at a time on each side all the way to the
trailing edge. I sealed my first tank a couple weekends ago and will do
the second tank this weekend. They do start to fit a little easier when
you get them drilled and dimpled, but still tighter than any other ribs
yet. If you have a second or even a third set of hands helping when you
seal it's much easier. I had two other guys helping me out when I did
my first tank and I cannot even imagine doing it by myself--I know there
are guys that have done it solo but extra hands is always better.
Good luck,
Bill
From: Rick Lark
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 8:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: ribs/skins
Hi all
I have just started to do an initial fit of the fuel tank and
leading edge ribs into the skins and found the ribs to be extremely
difficult to seat into the nose of the skins, at least to have the holes
line up for the clecoes.
I have fluted and straightened the ribs, and still they appear to
be far tighter than the vertical stab ever was. Can't imagine throwing
tank sealant into the mix.
Any suggestions or words of advise????
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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| From: | "Jerald Folkerts" <jfolkerts1(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | GPS Interference Update |
I saw the following on my morning read file:
The Air Force is studying the equipment that a commercial telecommunications
company wants to introduce across the United States because of its likely
interference with the Global Positioning System signal, Gen. William
Shelton, Air Force Space Command boss, told House lawmakers last week. The
company, LightSquared of Reston, Va., seeks to erect
<http://r.listpilot.net/c/afa/64mkv5p/2lu0z> up to 40,000 towers mostly in
US urban centers for a new 4G broadband network. "We believe from what we
have seen thus far that virtually every GPS receiver out there would be
affected," said Shelton. He continued, "What we're looking for now from the
company is actual hardware that they plan to use so that we can collect
empirical data as opposed to analytical data." This technical analysis is
due for delivery to the Federal Communications Commission-which is mulling
whether to grant the company an operating license-"by the June timeframe,"
said Shelton. He noted that the company shifted its business model from a
"largely a space-based effort with terrestrial augmentation," to "a
terrestrial-based network with space augmentation." Deputy Defense Secretary
Bill Lynn recently wrote FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski "strongly"
recommending that the commission defer final action until the analysis is
completed. (Lynn letter <http://r.listpilot.net/c/afa/64mkv5p/2lu10> )
Regards,
Jerry Folkerts
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| Subject: | Re: Doors and Sean Strasburg's kit |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks for the reply Sean. I ended up cutting other door at 1 1/2" then cutting
new angle, then threading.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09.
Fuselage Sec 45 Doors/Transparencies- 1228 hrs to date.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334583#334583
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| From: | Ronald Walker <n520tx(at)gmail.com> |
Question about the engine mount that comes with the finish kit.
The engine mount ears on the O-540 can be one of two part numbers:
70456
12A19770
It appears that the difference is the size of the engine mount bolt thru
holes in them. The 70456 part is for all O-540 models *except* A1A5 and
A1D5, those two use the other part.
Will either of these work with the finish kit ? Is it just a matter of
using a different size bolt with different engine/cushion/isolator
mounts ? Or is this going to be a problem with the actual engine mount
provided with the vans finish kit ?
Thanks
Ron
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| From: | "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com> |
The RV-10 mount requires the small hole mounts. If you are ordering a
new engine, then yours will have the small mounts. If you are using a
rebuilt engine or a mid-time engine, there is a chance that it could
come with the large hole mounts. I think some of the -C4B5 engines on
Aztecs used the large mounts. You can pick up the small hole mounts used
serviceable (just make sure they are inspected) or new surplus.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Walker
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:09 AM
Subject: RV10-List: O-540
Question about the engine mount that comes with the finish kit.
The engine mount ears on the O-540 can be one of two part numbers:
70456
12A19770
It appears that the difference is the size of the engine mount bolt thru
holes in them. The 70456 part is for all O-540 models *except* A1A5 and
A1D5, those two use the other part.
Will either of these work with the finish kit ? Is it just a matter of
using a different size bolt with different engine/cushion/isolator
mounts ? Or is this going to be a problem with the actual engine mount
provided with the vans finish kit ?
Thanks
Ron
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| From: | Kevin Belue <kdbelue(at)charter.net> |
No, I tried making the large-hole mounts work- they won't because they have a different
dynafocal angle. Use the small hole mounts (70456) and hardware as Van's
uses and save time/ money.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 21, 2011, at 8:08 AM, Ronald Walker wrote:
>
> Question about the engine mount that comes with the finish kit.
>
> The engine mount ears on the O-540 can be one of two part numbers:
>
> 70456
> 12A19770
>
> It appears that the difference is the size of the engine mount bolt thru
> holes in them. The 70456 part is for all O-540 models *except* A1A5 and
> A1D5, those two use the other part.
>
> Will either of these work with the finish kit ? Is it just a matter of
> using a different size bolt with different engine/cushion/isolator
> mounts ? Or is this going to be a problem with the actual engine mount
> provided with the vans finish kit ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Ronald Walker <n520tx(at)gmail.com> |
> Use the small hole mounts (70456)
Thanks Kevin and Rhonda -- My confusion stemmed from the O-540 parts
catalog saying that the A1D5 has the 12A19770 mounts - that's the model
number that is stamped on my engine plate. (From an Aztec.)
The good news is that the part number that I just read off of the ears
is 70456.
No action required on my part.
Build on.
-Ron
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | finish kit windows released |
Following up to advise that Cee Baileys released the side windows. I
don=99t have them, but I know they are like the the windscreen-
plug and glue. No cutting required. Same price as Vans.
http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/Airframe-Parts/
My disclaimer remains- I gain nothing as I already have my windows
installed but the quality of their products are very good and I believe
those behind me can greatly benefit from these options. I should also
state that I have gone to Cee Baileys and asked that they expand their
inventory of parts for builders, there workmanship truly is first rate.
I have requested they think about doing carbon fiber doors- that fit/
require minor adjustments. No idea if they will pursue it, but if they
do I would encourage builders to go that route as anything they put out
will far exceed anything you=99ll get in the kit and the price
will be probably the same if history is any indication.
Pascal
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| From: | davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net |
Aero instock carries nice new machined mounts also. Reasonably priced. http://www.aeroinstock.com/products/APS-70456/6202/47458/product_detail/index.html
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:37:45 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: O-540
The RV-10 mount requires the small hole mounts. If you are ordering a
new engine, then yours will have the small mounts. If you are using a
rebuilt engine or a mid-time engine, there is a chance that it could
come with the large hole mounts. I think some of the -C4B5 engines on
Aztecs used the large mounts. You can pick up the small hole mounts used
serviceable (just make sure they are inspected) or new surplus.
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Walker
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:09 AM
Subject: RV10-List: O-540
Question about the engine mount that comes with the finish kit.
The engine mount ears on the O-540 can be one of two part numbers:
70456
12A19770
It appears that the difference is the size of the engine mount bolt thru
holes in them. The 70456 part is for all O-540 models *except* A1A5 and
A1D5, those two use the other part.
Will either of these work with the finish kit ? Is it just a matter of
using a different size bolt with different engine/cushion/isolator
mounts ? Or is this going to be a problem with the actual engine mount
provided with the vans finish kit ?
Thanks
Ron
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | WingX 7 for iPad |
Well, I was checking updates last night for my iPad2, and ran
across WingX 7 Pro being updated to version 5. It has now
solidified its place as my favorite in-flight app for the ipad.
Foreflight is still my favorite for weather, but, WingX 7
just blew it out of the water for in-flight use.
I don't have time for a full write-up but got excited so I
posted pics here:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/IFR/WingX/R1/
Note that everything is geo-referenced, and now they even
add features like integration with ADS-B for weather,
so you can even take and hook it up to NavWorX and get
weather in cockpit on your iPad. There are just too
many features to list here, so check out the screenshots
I took and read through the New Feature List part.
I fired it up and it was really zippy on the iPad2, also,
so I'm going to give it a good run-through on my next
trip.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| From: | Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | WingX 7 for iPad |
Tim,
To be clear since the HiltonSoftware site is not; you pay
$99.00/year for the WingX Pro 7 plus another $75.00 for the Seattle
Avionics chart data subscription. And you pay $149 for ForeFlight HD Pro
that includes the Seattle Avionics chart data subscription? Does that
sound right?
Oh... I have a lifetime subscription to Seattle Avionics but for
PC Tablets that I have never used.
Thanks,
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 12:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: WingX 7 for iPad
Well, I was checking updates last night for my iPad2, and ran
across WingX 7 Pro being updated to version 5. It has now
solidified its place as my favorite in-flight app for the ipad.
Foreflight is still my favorite for weather, but, WingX 7
just blew it out of the water for in-flight use.
I don't have time for a full write-up but got excited so I
posted pics here:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/IFR/WingX/R1/
Note that everything is geo-referenced, and now they even
add features like integration with ADS-B for weather,
so you can even take and hook it up to NavWorX and get
weather in cockpit on your iPad. There are just too
many features to list here, so check out the screenshots
I took and read through the New Feature List part.
I fired it up and it was really zippy on the iPad2, also,
so I'm going to give it a good run-through on my next
trip.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: WingX 7 for iPad |
I believe that is right. Foreflight is something like $79/yr
for the standard version, and $149 for the HD Pro version that
gives the Seattle Avionics Geo-referencing. WingX is $99/yr
for their software, plus $75/yr for Seattle Avionics geo-referencing.
Also, on WingX, you can optionally buy the fuel pricing from 100LL.com
for I think $29. Personally, I paid something like $299 on a
special, for the Seattle Avionics data subscription for the
"lifetime" benefit again. It's used on a handful of apps
(not Foreflight, which ticked me off a bit), so it's semi-portable.
I thought at the time the SA data was $99, but now I see it's
$75.
Now, keep in mind that for both versions, paying that extra
$75 ONLY gives you the benefit of geo-referenced approach
plates, for the most part...I'm pretty sure that's the case
on Foreflight, and I think it's true for WingX too. So, you
can still view regular approach plates without paying that
extra charge, for someone who wants to try it out without
breaking the bank. All it does is put your airplane on the
approach plate so you know exactly where you are. Some people
will care, some won't. For non-IFR pilots, I wouldn't even
bother.
The fuel pricing is nicer on WingX. On Foreflight, you get
great fuel pricing included but only when you have internet
access. On WingX, you download the database and it's on the
iPad when you fly. So for me, that's a huge benefit, because
I often will reroute in-flight for various reasons and that
allows me to quickly pick lower priced fuel stops...and I
can easily pay for $29 in ONE fuel stop. In fact, you
can save enough if you fly a couple big trips a year
that you can pay for the entire APP!
When it comes to the apps themselves, Foreflight really
kicks butt when it comes to weather, and they were doing
great with sectionals and low-enroute charts and things like
that. But, WingX really blew them out of the water on
the in-flight functionality, especially with this new release.
Just the way the main map screen is put together, it makes
it very easy to transition from screen to screen. You can
load a plan, fly it, and hit buttons like "approach" that
will automatically bring up the destination approach plate.
So it's very handy. I haven't flown with this latest
release, so I'm hoping it's just as straight forward, but
it looks like it will be. The terrain enhanced sectionals
and stuff are pretty nice, too.
To be straightforward, I should tell you that my Foreflight
subscription recently turned non-standard. I had just
renewed and paid $125/yr, which was the plan for covering
2 iPhones and 1 iPad, when Andrea got her iPhone and we
switched to Verizon. So I thought I was all set, at $125/yr.
But then a couple days later they released the HD version.
I emailed them a little ticked off because I wanted to
at least TRY HD for a year, knowing the WingX really looked
better in flight (i.e. I would recommend WingX as an
in-flight app rather than pay extra for foreflight HD, but
I still would recommend Foreflight standard for pre-flight),
but I thought, since I, on my own dime, like to try these
apps and tell y'all about them, it would be stupid for me
not to try the HD version. But, to upgrade my plan, they
then wanted something like $250 or some huge number like
that, which as you can see is double the $125 I had paid
a couple days ago. So, they did a custom upgrade for me
so I could use it for a year on one iPhone and iPad and
still have Andrea's phone on the account....so I didn't
have to pay all the way up to $250 but some price I don't
remember, that's in between. If it weren't for the wife's
phone, pricing would be simpler.
That brings up one other big big difference....
With Foreflight, you can load the software on all your
iDevices...but you can only sign in on one iPhone, and
one iPad, with the subscription (the standard one).
So for me and Andrea, you have to start doing special
things/plans, to cover both our phones. She just likes
Foreflight for the WX, as it's just so awesome for that.
Now that we have an iPad 2, I wanted to put it on both
iPads so I could choose which one I used in-flight. Well,
I can only have ONE of them signed in at a time. The issue
for me is, I have a jailbroken old iPad that works great
with my Bluetooth GPS. iOS 4.3 isn't jailbroken yet, so
the iPad 2 I'm forced to use the GPS that's built-in,
unless I buy the plug-in one. I know others like the
plug-in one, but I think it sucks to have one more thing
to plug in during flight, especially if you can bang it
and damage the port or the device. Bluetooth GPS is
really ideal. (The other one that's wi-fi wouldn't
be so bad) But I also already own 3 of those bluetooth
GPS's, so I want it that way. So this means that on our
next trip, I have to figure out which iPad I want to use,
and stick with it until I can sign in/out again, and give
the other one to the kids for movies. Not a huge deal,
but, it just shows that each iPad isn't equal. I'll probably
use the iPad 2 on the way down, just to see how the GPS
works. If it doesn't work great, I'll get fuel and swap
the sign-in.
Now, with WingX, as long as the devices are on the same iTunes
account, I have WingX Pro 7 on BOTH iPads, and it works
simultaneously, without signing in and out. So, if you are
planning to play with it on multiple devices, that's a benefit
too. You can have a "backup ipad" that way, ready to go.
So see, I'm not totally burned, because since WingX is really
the best in-flight app right now, and it works on both,
it's what I'm probably going to be using anyway.
WingX on the iPhone though, is much less useful. I don't
even use it, really. Right now, today, I consider it
worthless compared to Foreflight. So if you're an iPhone
user, stick to only Foreflight. See, that's where it gets
so complicated...one app is better on one platform and one
on the other....at least with foreflight, you get free
usage on an iPad too....so we can have awesome weather planning
at the hotel using foreflight.
Now, on to your last thing....Yes, as you know, I too have
a lifetime Voyager (Seattle Avionics) data subscription at the
EFB level. So, personally, I wasn't thrilled to spend all
the money on these other apps. But, I'm a geek, so I did.
Hopefully it helps others out a bit. Right now, Voyager
is fairly useless to me, simply due to the hardware. I use
it for planning trips from my PC, but with WingX as far as it
is, it's basically not worth me bringing the old LE1600 into
the cockpit anymore. The battery life sucks compared to
iPad. Using a stylus sucks compared to iPad. The display
is less bright than iPad. (See the attached .jpgs...3 is
the iPad, 6 is the LE1600 WITH the viewanywhere display)
(Note, the ipad has a Brando Anti-Glare protector on it!)
The weight of LE1600 is much more than iPad. The charger
is many times bulkier and heavier than iPad. The LE1600
sucks as a movie platform, iPad rocks. The list is endless.
So, there isn't much place for Voyager right now for me,
as long as they aren't on iPad. There is ONE exception.
I reviewed the capabilities on this trip to Mexico. WingX
is USELESS in Mexico. No charts, no database that includes
Mexican airports. Probably not canada either...so Alaska
fliers may not like it for flying up through Canada. Foreflight
actually has the airports in the database, but no sectional
view available, and I think the only map that shows up
requires internet access to see the map, and doesn't display
the airports in Mexico. So at least Foreflight can plan
distances and give you headings and things to save your butt.
Voyager, however, has not only the database, but displays
airways in canada, and gives you airports and terrain. If
I remember right from playing with it a couple weeks ago,
it looks like you can use Voyager to fly in Mexico and Canada
without too much issue. So, on my mexico trip, I do
plan to lug that freakin' tablet along, just hoping not
to use it too much. The iPad can load (using goodreader
is how I did it) the government provided CH-22 WAC chart
that covers mexico though, in .tif form....so, I actually
was able to use iPad to view the WAC and that will work
just fine...it won't give you any GPS stuff, or put
you on the map, but you can at least not carry a paper
chart.
I have emailed the folks at Seattle Avionics and expressed
my displeasure with them not getting an iPad app going
fast enough. It sounds like they have been very busy
(obviously), getting their DATA into all the other apps
that they could. They are really our only hope against
Jeppesen, for reasonably priced NavData, so I'm glad that
they are so ingrained into all these apps. In the past,
they have told me that if/when they do an iPad app,
your lifetime subscription will be applicable to that app.
That is a big relief. They also told me I should expect
to see some really cool news around Sun-N-Fun (i'm hoping
it's true), and that I'll see even BIGGER news around
OSH. So, perhaps by late summer we'll have something else
that will come in and take the place on my iPad of
Foreflight and WingX, or at least one of them.
Also, regarding voyager, they told me that they just started
a NEW PROGRAM for iPad folks, where if you've bought an iPad
subscription for any of their partners programs, then
they'll discount a year of Voyager subscription 50%, so VFR
that's $99 is only $49, for instance, and VFR+IFR that's
$199 is only $99, and EFB at $299 is only $149.
They're doing this to provide some relief in the interim
until they have something else in place to offer.
Wow, that went on far longer than I thought it would.
Guess I better start actual work work now. :)
At any rate, I love these apps, all 3 of them, for various
reasons. Ideally they'd all be available in one
platform (iPad) and you wouldn't need any other platform.
If any of them could do on iPad what Voyager does on PC,
I wouldn't even USE a PC for anything flight planning
related anymore...I'd only use an iPad. Presently
though, I like to PC plan on Voyager, Weather plan (and
file) on Foreflight, and then actually fly, with
WingX (in the US 50). Sadly, that costs some money, but,
with lifetime subscriptions in place, the annual cost
could be as low as $75+$129 (Foreflight standard +
WingX with fuel, free Voyager with my lifetime). That's
pretty cheap compared to the truckload of cash I
have to pay Jepp for their NavData on my 2 systems
in the plane....and the above software is even
easier to keep current.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 3/21/2011 8:57 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Robin Marks
>
> Tim,
> To be clear since the HiltonSoftware site is not; you pay
> $99.00/year for the WingX Pro 7 plus another $75.00 for the Seattle
> Avionics chart data subscription. And you pay $149 for ForeFlight HD Pro
> that includes the Seattle Avionics chart data subscription? Does that
> sound right?
> Oh... I have a lifetime subscription to Seattle Avionics but for
> PC Tablets that I have never used.
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy Skirt Buzz... |
At 10:25 AM 3/22/2011 Tuesday, you wrote:
>Matt,
>Did you settle on a material that you preferred for deadening the canopy buzz
[on your RV-8]? We are experiencing the same thing but at a very narrow speed
range. Before we reinvent the wheel I figured I would ask.
>
>Thanks,
>Robin
Hi Robin,
Yes, solved mostly. Here the stuff to get:
http://cshyde.thomasnet.com/viewitems/tapes-with-psa/uhmw-tape--black-anti-stat-rubber-adhesive?forward=1
This is black UHMW table with a rubber adhesive (good to 150F). I got the .020"
stuff.
Its not very bendable sideways, so don't try to get the .5" kind and wrap it around
the s-curve in the back. It definitely won't stick for very long.
Get the 6" wide stuff - Part number <http://cshyde.thomasnet.com/viewitems/tapes-with-psa//item/tapes-with-psa/uhmw-tape--black-anti-stat-rubber-adhesive/anti-stat-uhmw-19-20blk-6-5?>19-20BLK-6-5 (5 yards) or 19-20BLK-6-18 (18 yards) - and lay it flat over the skirt on the inside and then trace the contour. Move it up by about .75" and then trace again. Then cut out the piece which should be a perfect fit around the inside edge of the canopy skirt. I forgot to take any pictures of the process! That's so not like me! :-)
I also used the .5" stuff (<http://cshyde.thomasnet.com/viewitems/tapes-with-psa//item/tapes-with-psa/uhmw-tape--black-anti-stat-rubber-adhesive/anti-stat-uhmw-19-20blk-5-5?>19-20BLK-.5-5) for along the straight left and right side of the skirt. Although, I wish I'd used the .75 stuff.
Seems to dampen the vibration and also doesn't mark the paint/metal due to its
low co-efficient of friction. Its basically the same stuff that Van's sells for
the flaps, but much thicker and black. I also like the high-temp rubber adhesive.
We'll see how it holds up over the Summer.
My only complaint is that I wish they made a .040" thick version.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 153+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
Here's this year's Insurance Quotes along with the coverage details on my RV-8.
Can you guess which one I went with?
$1m/$100k Liability
$5000-$10000 Medical
$0 Deductible
$150k Hull Ground/Air
153 Hours, Aircraft
153 Hours in Type, Pilot
450 Hours Total, Pilot
242 Hours TW, Pilot
Avemco: $5811
EAA/Falcon: $2975 ($3075 last year included Test & 1st 10 hours)
NationAir/Chartis $2888
AOPA/AIG $2475
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 160+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
Matt, we are in a similiar position.... I have more hours in the RV10, but
less =0Atotal hours.- Did you have a contact with AOPA/AIG?=0AIIRC I'm pa
ying a little less than $1,800, but have no hull insurance while =0Amoving.
=0AThanks, Don McDonald=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFr
om: Matt Dralle =0ATo: rv-list(at)matronics.com; rv8-lis
t(at)matronics.com; rv7-list(at)matronics.com; =0Arv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent:
Tue, March 22, 2011 4:56:15 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Re: RV-8 Insurance...
=0A=0AHere's this year's Insurance Quotes along with the coverage details o
n my RV-8.- =0ACan you guess which one I went with?=0A=0A$1m/$100k Liabil
ity=0A$5000-$10000 Medical=0A$0 Deductible=0A$150k Hull Ground/Air=0A=0A153
Hours, Aircraft=0A153 Hours in Type, Pilot=0A450 Hours Total, Pilot=0A242
Hours TW, Pilot=0A=0A- - - - Avemco:- - - - - - - -
$5811=0A- - - - EAA/Falcon:- - - - - - $2975 ($3075 la
st year included Test & 1st 10 =0Ahours)=0A- - - - NationAir/Charti
s- - - $2888=0A- - - - AOPA/AIG- - - - - - -
- $2475=0A=0A=0A-=0AMatt Dralle=0ARV-8 #82880 N998RV=0Ahttp://www.mattsrv
8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Ma
tt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel=0AStatus: 160+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All
======================0A=0A
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
The AOPA agent I worked with was Clint Dayhuff clint.dayhuff(at)aopaia.com Very nice
guy. Got me a quote back in 1.5 days. Retained over the phone.
Matt
At 06:30 PM 3/22/2011 Tuesday, you wrote:
>Matt, we are in a similiar position.... I have more hours in the RV10, but less
total hours. Did you have a contact with AOPA/AIG?
>IIRC I'm paying a little less than $1,800, but have no hull insurance while moving.
>Thanks, Don McDonald
>
>
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; rv8-list(at)matronics.com; rv7-list(at)matronics.com; rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 4:56:15 PM
>Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-8 Insurance...
>
>
>Here's this year's Insurance Quotes along with the coverage details on my RV-8.
Can you guess which one I went with?
>
>$1m/$100k Liability
>$5000-$10000 Medical
>$0 Deductible
>$150k Hull Ground/Air
>
>153 Hours, Aircraft
>153 Hours in Type, Pilot
>450 Hours Total, Pilot
>242 Hours TW, Pilot
>
> Avemco: $5811
> EAA/Falcon: $2975 ($3075 last year included Test & 1st 10 hours)
> NationAir/Chartis $2888
> AOPA/AIG $2475
>
>
>-
>Matt Dralle
>RV-8 #82880 N998RV
><http://www.mattsrv8.com/>http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
><http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8>http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
>Status: 160+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling air |
Hi,
Can any of the engineers out there please advise whether there is an optimal ratio
of the cowl inlet to outlet areas for engine air cooling?
Thanking you all in anticipation,
Rodger
In Oz where cooling matters
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk> |
Hi,
Can anyone please advise what chemicals will remove, by accident or design, the
Sherwin Williams wash primer that Vans use on the QB kits?
Clearly the acids will but what about MEK etc?
Thanking you in anticipation,
Rodger
In Oz the land of sun and salt.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave Henderson" <wf-k(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RV7-List: Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
Good Grief, I paid half that on $100,000 RV-7. I have the same amount of
hours in type and total. I suggest you contact my agent and ask her for a
quote: klehman(at)andreini.com Direct 650-378-4310 No harm in at least asking.
Dave Henderson RV-7
N925LW (Lord Willing)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 5:56 PM
rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV7-List: Re: RV-8 Insurance...
--> RV7-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Here's this year's Insurance Quotes along with the coverage details on my
RV-8. Can you guess which one I went with?
$1m/$100k Liability
$5000-$10000 Medical
$0 Deductible
$150k Hull Ground/Air
153 Hours, Aircraft
153 Hours in Type, Pilot
450 Hours Total, Pilot
242 Hours TW, Pilot
Avemco: $5811
EAA/Falcon: $2975 ($3075 last year included Test & 1st
10 hours)
NationAir/Chartis $2888
AOPA/AIG $2475
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 160+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: engine cables |
| From: | "rleffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
For those with quadrants:
Per Dave Saylor:
I replaced the stock cables with 47" for the prop, 51" for mixture and 72"
for the prop. I got the cables from a local cablecraft distributor. Also,
ask for the highest temp rating you can get. The green cables from Vans
aren't the best. A set of replacement cables should be $200 or less.
The vendor is California Push-Pull in Chico, CA. Talk to Frank.
http://www.push-pull.com/
176-VTT-2-51
176-VTT-2-47
176-VTT-2-72
These are for the mixture, throttle and prop respectively.
Ask for Frank if you need a live person. He knows what they're going on.
The cable tags will say "not for use on aircraft", which usually means they know
you're using it on an aircraft
-----
Hope this helps!
bob
--------
Bob Leffler
N410BL - FWF
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334767#334767
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: engine cables |
| From: | Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
I was wondering if vans changed cable lengths before my serial number. I had no
issues using the supplied cables with my Aerosport lower console and throttle
quadrant. Kit number 40936.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 23, 2011, at 8:42, "rleffler" wrote:
>
> For those with quadrants:
>
> Per Dave Saylor:
>
> I replaced the stock cables with 47" for the prop, 51" for mixture and 72"
> for the prop. I got the cables from a local cablecraft distributor. Also,
> ask for the highest temp rating you can get. The green cables from Vans
> aren't the best. A set of replacement cables should be $200 or less.
>
>
> The vendor is California Push-Pull in Chico, CA. Talk to Frank.
>
> http://www.push-pull.com/
>
> 176-VTT-2-51
> 176-VTT-2-47
> 176-VTT-2-72
>
> These are for the mixture, throttle and prop respectively.
>
> Ask for Frank if you need a live person. He knows what they're going on.
>
> The cable tags will say "not for use on aircraft", which usually means they know
you're using it on an aircraft
>
> -----
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> bob
>
> --------
> Bob Leffler
> N410BL - FWF
> RV-10 #40684
> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334767#334767
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling |
air
Considering the work that was done to develop the SamJames cowl and plenum...and
how well they work - I think they're a great starting place.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
>Sent: Mar 23, 2011 7:42 AM
>To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling air
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Can any of the engineers out there please advise whether there is an optimal ratio
of the cowl inlet to outlet areas for engine air cooling?
>
>Thanking you all in anticipation,
>
>Rodger
>In Oz where cooling matters
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling |
air
Re: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling air
Ahhhh.. as one of the first -10 James cowl flying owners with lots of
negative experiences associated with that cowl & plenum I strongly suggest
that is about the worst starting place possible. As usual the factory desig
n
while not as sexy is functional and proven. I think it=92s been established
that the openings on the James cowl are just too small to properly cool the
Lycoming 540 engine. There has been some success (I am not totally up to
date) by increasing the inlet ring size from 4.5=94 to 6=94 but that is a l
ot of
work. Imagine taking a new cowl and cutting the inlets back to then manuall
y
make transitions to new 6=94 inlets. Then modify the Plenum to match. Plan
on
significant R&D right when you want to be flying your plane. I don=92t even
want to go into the James Plenum that is misaligned from the factory as if
they had NOOOO idea how wide their cowl inlets would be to mate to the
plenum. The plenum doesn=92t even comply with known design principals of
smooth but ever increasing volume as the cooling air moves aft. Having owne
d
4 RV=92s, 2 with stock cowls & baffles & 2 with plenums & James cowls I fin
d
the plenums to be a large pain in the ass. Extra weight & complexity.
Reduced access with limited definable benefit.
Additionally forget about flying LOP out of the box with the James set up.
While the stock cowl seems to not be an issue the James owners have a
difficult time seeming to straddle a razors edge of LOP vs. poor engine
performance even after exhaustive injector balancing and adding an expensiv
e
(and heavy) turbo rails & fuel injector shrouds.
Showplanes is making a valiant effort with a new cowl for the -10 that is
great looking. Unfortunately it=92s still a little early to that party as t
hey
do not have a production unit available for sale.
I personally will be removing my James cowl or making additional major
modifications to the unit within the next 12 months. If you are building to
fly head my warning.
Robin Marks
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A Sold
RV-10 220 Hours
RV-8A 4 Hours
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ralph E. Capen
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2011 9:27 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine
cooling air
Considering the work that was done to develop the SamJames cowl and
plenum...and how well they work - I think they're a great starting place.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
>Sent: Mar 23, 2011 7:42 AM
>To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine coolin
g
air
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Can any of the engineers out there please advise whether there is an
optimal ratio of the cowl inlet to outlet areas for engine air cooling?
>
>Thanking you all in anticipation,
>
>Rodger
>In Oz where cooling matters
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine cables |
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
Were your lengths the same as the ones I listed from Dave Saylor?
I've got to order mine, but I'm planning on taking some measurements this weekend.
I've got the aerosport panel / throttle quadrant too, but my fm-200 is in a non-standard
location to accommodate the rod bower ram air mod. Its horizontal,
not vertical. It may need a couple extra inches.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Seano wrote:
>
> I was wondering if vans changed cable lengths before my serial number. I had
no issues using the supplied cables with my Aerosport lower console and throttle
quadrant. Kit number 40936.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 23, 2011, at 8:42, "rleffler" wrote:
>
>>
>> For those with quadrants:
>>
>> Per Dave Saylor:
>>
>> I replaced the stock cables with 47" for the prop, 51" for mixture and 72"
>> for the prop. I got the cables from a local cablecraft distributor. Also,
>> ask for the highest temp rating you can get. The green cables from Vans
>> aren't the best. A set of replacement cables should be $200 or less.
>>
>>
>> The vendor is California Push-Pull in Chico, CA. Talk to Frank.
>>
>> http://www.push-pull.com/
>>
>> 176-VTT-2-51
>> 176-VTT-2-47
>> 176-VTT-2-72
>>
>> These are for the mixture, throttle and prop respectively.
>>
>> Ask for Frank if you need a live person. He knows what they're going on.
>>
>> The cable tags will say "not for use on aircraft", which usually means they
know you're using it on an aircraft
>>
>> -----
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>> bob
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Leffler
>> N410BL - FWF
>> RV-10 #40684
>> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334767#334767
>>
>>
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>
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| From: | Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling |
air
Dear Rodger,
I has been a few years, but if I recall correctly, then the factor is
right around 1.5 (I think?) for the hot expanding air to exhaust
properly, when compared to the denser cold air coming in.
I agree with Ralph, as Sam James's cowling and plenum systems are very
efficient in that respect, by tightly controlling the cooling airflow
and not wasting any air molecules for unnecessary drag.
Konrad
On Mar 23, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
> >
>
> Considering the work that was done to develop the SamJames cowl and
> plenum...and how well they work - I think they're a great starting
> place.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
>> Sent: Mar 23, 2011 7:42 AM
>> To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine
>> cooling air
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can any of the engineers out there please advise whether there is
>> an optimal ratio of the cowl inlet to outlet areas for engine air
>> cooling?
>>
>> Thanking you all in anticipation,
>>
>> Rodger
>> In Oz where cooling matters
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling |
air
I'll take Robin's explanation as an education since my actual experience is with
a 6A - my bad as I thought they did the same GT / NASA testing on the -10 cowl.
I would really like to see the 'new' RV10 cowl as I am contemplating a four-place.....
Thanks,
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
>Sent: Mar 23, 2011 1:30 PM
>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling
air
>
>Re: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling air
>
>Ahhhh.. as one of the first -10 James cowl flying owners with lots of
>negative experiences associated with that cowl & plenum I strongly suggest
>that is about the worst starting place possible. As usual the factory design
>while not as sexy is functional and proven. I think its been established
>that the openings on the James cowl are just too small to properly cool the
>Lycoming 540 engine. There has been some success (I am not totally up to
>date) by increasing the inlet ring size from 4.5 to 6 but that is a lot of
>work. Imagine taking a new cowl and cutting the inlets back to then manually
>make transitions to new 6 inlets. Then modify the Plenum to match. Plan on
>significant R&D right when you want to be flying your plane. I dont even
>want to go into the James Plenum that is misaligned from the factory as if
>they had NOOOO idea how wide their cowl inlets would be to mate to the
>plenum. The plenum doesnt even comply with known design principals of
>smooth but ever increasing volume as the cooling air moves aft. Having owned
>4 RVs, 2 with stock cowls & baffles & 2 with plenums & James cowls I find
>the plenums to be a large pain in the ass. Extra weight & complexity.
>Reduced access with limited definable benefit.
>
>Additionally forget about flying LOP out of the box with the James set up.
>While the stock cowl seems to not be an issue the James owners have a
>difficult time seeming to straddle a razors edge of LOP vs. poor engine
>performance even after exhaustive injector balancing and adding an expensive
>(and heavy) turbo rails & fuel injector shrouds.
>
>Showplanes is making a valiant effort with a new cowl for the -10 that is
>great looking. Unfortunately its still a little early to that party as they
>do not have a production unit available for sale.
>
>I personally will be removing my James cowl or making additional major
>modifications to the unit within the next 12 months. If you are building to
>fly head my warning.
>
>
>Robin Marks
>
>RV-4 Sold
>
>RV-6A Sold
>
>RV-10 220 Hours
>
>RV-8A 4 Hours
>
>
>*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
>owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ralph E. Capen
>*Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2011 9:27 AM
>*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine
>cooling air
>
>
>Considering the work that was done to develop the SamJames cowl and
>plenum...and how well they work - I think they're a great starting place.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
>>Sent: Mar 23, 2011 7:42 AM
>>To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling
>air
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Can any of the engineers out there please advise whether there is an
>optimal ratio of the cowl inlet to outlet areas for engine air cooling?
>>
>>Thanking you all in anticipation,
>>
>>Rodger
>>In Oz where cooling matters
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling |
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| From: | Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling |
air
As one who drank the Koolaid, I would beg to disagree, IMO the Sam James
cowl intake area is WAY UNDERSIZED, I believe this has been
substantiated by another -10 builder who did some considerable
modifications to increase the size of the intake for the SJ cowl/plenum
and saw improved cooling performance. If you think about it, it stands
to reason, James uses the same size intake rings for the 6 cyl as he
does for the 4 cyl ????? Yet there is considerable more area to cool an
more heat generated. The cowls look sexy, but I cannot attribute ANY
improvement to speed/performance. However, by way of comparison there is
a Reduction in the cooling.
Deems
N519PJ
On 3/23/2011 9:27 AM, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
>
> Considering the work that was done to develop the SamJames cowl and plenum...and
how well they work - I think they're a great starting place.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rodger Todd<rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
>> Sent: Mar 23, 2011 7:42 AM
>> To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling
air
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rodger Todd
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can any of the engineers out there please advise whether there is an optimal
ratio of the cowl inlet to outlet areas for engine air cooling?
>>
>> Thanking you all in anticipation,
>>
>> Rodger
>> In Oz where cooling matters
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | PS Engineering unveils audio panel + remote com radio |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Here's a picture of it:
http://www.ps-engineering.com/PAR100EX.shtml
PS Engineering announced this new product this week. Cut and pasting from
the company's website:
Another Revolution in Audio Panels PAR100EX Brings Com Radio to your Finger
Tips!
PS Engineering takes communications in a new direction - OUT of the cockpit!
Reno, Nevada. For over a quarter century, PS Engineering, Inc.R has been
known as a premier innovator of intercommunications for crew and passengers.
Today, the company is adding a new dimension to their communications vision,
a 760-channel, VHF communication radio fully integrated with the audio
control panel.
The PAR100EX system combines an audio control panel, audiophile stereo
intercom with IntelliVoxR, BluetoothR connectivity, and a remote mounted VHF
aviation communications transceiver. Never before has there been so much
communication capability controlled with such a small footprint.
"For years, people have been asking us, "Why doesn't PS Engineering make
radios?" explained company founder Mark Scheuer, "because we are so deeply
focused exploiting every type of audio technology available, developing a
radio would only be a distraction. But now that we have a great core of
audio technologies, it is time to invest into radio technology. After all,
since 1972 when I received my Amateur Radio license, I have always been
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PS Engineering, Inc. is always looking for ways to improve flying and
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integrated an important piece of avionics, with an advanced audio panel
system. By working with an established radio manufacturer, PS Engineering's
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money over the stand-alone independent systems.
"Microair is excited about partnering with PS Engineering," said Microair's
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change the way experimental and LSA aircraft avionics panels will be
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and Light Sport aviation market (the unit will be FCC approved but not hold
FAA Approval for airplanes certified under standard airworthiness), and the
elimination of one panel mounted radio saves panel space.
According to the Senior Design Engineer, Eduardo Lopez-Gil, "Seamless
integration between the audio panel and the radio was the primary goal in
this integration, for the best user experience possible, with minimal panel
space. The KISS principle was practiced all during the development of the
audio panel." The right half of the PAR100EX is dedicated to the comm.
radio, with an easy to read LCD display that shows the frequencies, which
are controlled through a concentric knob. This radio has active and standby
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The left half has all of the audio panel controls for radio selection,
intercom and music volume, intercom mode, and PS Engineering's multiple
music mute mode control. The functions of the PAR100EX are electrically
independent, including the power supply, so even in fail safe on the audio
panel, the VHF radio can still be used.
The PAR100EX can be configured as stand alone, as COM 2, or as COM 1. The
system can be a primary VHF Com, and the second radio could be a tactical or
business radio, ideal for ALE, game management, fish spotters, etc.
An integrated BluetoothR system allows the PAR100EX to interface with
cellular telephones, giving the aircraft occupants ready access to their
telephones. In addition, the BluetoothR will stream music from compatible
devices like iPads, and smart phones.
The list price of the PAR100EX, including the VHF com radio is $2,595, and
deliveries will start in the second quarter of 2011.
About Microair Pty Ltd: Microair remains committed to producing cost
effective products. We feel that with the technologies available today, the
price of modern avionics should come down. We listen to pilots, to
understand their needs and situation. This feedback influences our designs
for future products. We mean it when we say "designed by pilots for pilots."
Microair Avionics Pty Ltd * P.O Box 5532, Bundaberg * West QLD 4670
Australia Phone International +61 7 41553048 *Fax International +61 7
41553049 www.microair.com.au
About PS Engineering: Founded in 1985, PS Engineering has become a leading
manufacturer of general aviation intercoms and audio control systems. The
company's sole corporate focus is excellence in the design and manufacture
of avionics systems for General Aviation Aircraft. PS Engineering Inc. R is
credited for many innovations in the field, including IntelliVoxR,
SoftmuteT, Karaoke ModeT, Split modeT, Swap ModeT, and the IRST(Internal
Recording System). With a network of over 600 authorized dealer/installers
worldwide, the company is a leader in retrofit avionics as well as a
supplier to other major avionics manufacturers for their audio panel
requirements. www.ps-engineering.com
FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT:
Gary Picou
PS Engineering, Inc.
9800 Martel Road
Lenoir City, TN 37772
Phone (865) 988-9800 - FAX (865) 988-6619
E-mail: gpicou@ps-engineering.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: PS Engineering unveils audio panel + remote com radio |
That is a nice way to go in a tight RV8 panel. PAR100EX a 530W :-) and
a transponder. Done.
Sent from my iPad2.
On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Here's a picture of it:
>
> http://www.ps-engineering.com/PAR100EX.shtml
>
>
> PS Engineering announced this new product this week. Cut and pasting from
> the company's website:
>
> Another Revolution in Audio Panels PAR100EX Brings Com Radio to your Finger
> Tips!
>
> PS Engineering takes communications in a new direction - OUT of the cockpit!
>
> Reno, Nevada. For over a quarter century, PS Engineering, Inc.R has been
> known as a premier innovator of intercommunications for crew and passengers.
>
> Today, the company is adding a new dimension to their communications vision,
> a 760-channel, VHF communication radio fully integrated with the audio
> control panel.
>
> The PAR100EX system combines an audio control panel, audiophile stereo
> intercom with IntelliVoxR, BluetoothR connectivity, and a remote mounted VHF
> aviation communications transceiver. Never before has there been so much
> communication capability controlled with such a small footprint.
>
> "For years, people have been asking us, "Why doesn't PS Engineering make
> radios?" explained company founder Mark Scheuer, "because we are so deeply
> focused exploiting every type of audio technology available, developing a
> radio would only be a distraction. But now that we have a great core of
> audio technologies, it is time to invest into radio technology. After all,
> since 1972 when I received my Amateur Radio license, I have always been
> fascinated with radio, now it's time to put it into our company's product
> line."
>
> PS Engineering, Inc. is always looking for ways to improve flying and
> delight their fans, so they partnered with radio expert Microair and
> integrated an important piece of avionics, with an advanced audio panel
> system. By working with an established radio manufacturer, PS Engineering's
> customers will benefit from their individual talents. This system will save
> cockpit space, weight, provide the most sought after functionality, and save
> money over the stand-alone independent systems.
>
> "Microair is excited about partnering with PS Engineering," said Microair's
> President, Phil Ainsworth, "We are looking forward to getting into more
> airplanes with the PAR100EX, and the combination of our expertise will
> change the way experimental and LSA aircraft avionics panels will be
> created." The PAR100EX's low price makes it attractive for the Experimental
> and Light Sport aviation market (the unit will be FCC approved but not hold
> FAA Approval for airplanes certified under standard airworthiness), and the
> elimination of one panel mounted radio saves panel space.
>
> According to the Senior Design Engineer, Eduardo Lopez-Gil, "Seamless
> integration between the audio panel and the radio was the primary goal in
> this integration, for the best user experience possible, with minimal panel
> space. The KISS principle was practiced all during the development of the
> audio panel." The right half of the PAR100EX is dedicated to the comm.
> radio, with an easy to read LCD display that shows the frequencies, which
> are controlled through a concentric knob. This radio has active and standby
> frequencies, and a standby frequency monitor mode.
>
> The left half has all of the audio panel controls for radio selection,
> intercom and music volume, intercom mode, and PS Engineering's multiple
> music mute mode control. The functions of the PAR100EX are electrically
> independent, including the power supply, so even in fail safe on the audio
> panel, the VHF radio can still be used.
>
> The PAR100EX can be configured as stand alone, as COM 2, or as COM 1. The
> system can be a primary VHF Com, and the second radio could be a tactical or
> business radio, ideal for ALE, game management, fish spotters, etc.
>
> An integrated BluetoothR system allows the PAR100EX to interface with
> cellular telephones, giving the aircraft occupants ready access to their
> telephones. In addition, the BluetoothR will stream music from compatible
> devices like iPads, and smart phones.
>
> The list price of the PAR100EX, including the VHF com radio is $2,595, and
> deliveries will start in the second quarter of 2011.
>
> About Microair Pty Ltd: Microair remains committed to producing cost
> effective products. We feel that with the technologies available today, the
> price of modern avionics should come down. We listen to pilots, to
> understand their needs and situation. This feedback influences our designs
> for future products. We mean it when we say "designed by pilots for pilots."
>
> Microair Avionics Pty Ltd * P.O Box 5532, Bundaberg * West QLD 4670
> Australia Phone International +61 7 41553048 *Fax International +61 7
> 41553049 www.microair.com.au
>
> About PS Engineering: Founded in 1985, PS Engineering has become a leading
> manufacturer of general aviation intercoms and audio control systems. The
> company's sole corporate focus is excellence in the design and manufacture
> of avionics systems for General Aviation Aircraft. PS Engineering Inc. R is
> credited for many innovations in the field, including IntelliVoxR,
> SoftmuteT, Karaoke ModeT, Split modeT, Swap ModeT, and the IRST(Internal
> Recording System). With a network of over 600 authorized dealer/installers
> worldwide, the company is a leader in retrofit avionics as well as a
> supplier to other major avionics manufacturers for their audio panel
> requirements. www.ps-engineering.com
>
> FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT:
> Gary Picou
> PS Engineering, Inc.
> 9800 Martel Road
> Lenoir City, TN 37772
> Phone (865) 988-9800 - FAX (865) 988-6619
> E-mail: gpicou@ps-engineering.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
Just to follow up on the insurance information I posted, I got an email from EAA/Falcon
this morning indicating that they had quoted this year's policy based
on last year's flight time numbers (basically 0). They re-quoted on my current
hours (153 TTSN) and their quote came more into line at $2490.00. I just wanted
to set the record straight.
Also, the AOPA coverage for $2475 is really with USAIG (United States Aviation
Insurance Group), which is not the bailout "AIG" (American International Group).
At least I don't think so. Here are their respective web sites:
United Status Aviation Insurance Group
http://www.usau.com/usau.nsf/doc/index
American International Group
http://www.aigcorporate.com/index.html
FYI
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 160+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>--> RV-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>Here's this year's Insurance Quotes along with the coverage details on my RV-8.
Can you guess which one I went with?
>
>$1m/$100k Liability
>$5000-$10000 Medical
>$0 Deductible
>$150k Hull Ground/Air
>
>153 Hours, Aircraft
>153 Hours in Type, Pilot
>450 Hours Total, Pilot
>242 Hours TW, Pilot
>
> Avemco: $5811
> EAA/Falcon: $2975 ($3075 last year + Test & 1st 10 hours)
> NationAir/Chartis $2888
> AOPA/AIG $2475
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: engine cables |
I'll have to look at my part numbers tomorrow and maybe you can cross
reference them. It may be easier to route little longer cables than stock
ones, mine went in easy and I was able to set all my controls to end even at
the top and bottom while hitting the stops.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: engine cables
>
> Were your lengths the same as the ones I listed from Dave Saylor?
>
> I've got to order mine, but I'm planning on taking some measurements this
> weekend.
>
> I've got the aerosport panel / throttle quadrant too, but my fm-200 is in
> a non-standard location to accommodate the rod bower ram air mod. Its
> horizontal, not vertical. It may need a couple extra inches.
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Seano wrote:
>
>>
>> I was wondering if vans changed cable lengths before my serial number. I
>> had no issues using the supplied cables with my Aerosport lower console
>> and throttle quadrant. Kit number 40936.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 8:42, "rleffler" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For those with quadrants:
>>>
>>> Per Dave Saylor:
>>>
>>> I replaced the stock cables with 47" for the prop, 51" for mixture and
>>> 72"
>>> for the prop. I got the cables from a local cablecraft distributor.
>>> Also,
>>> ask for the highest temp rating you can get. The green cables from Vans
>>> aren't the best. A set of replacement cables should be $200 or less.
>>>
>>>
>>> The vendor is California Push-Pull in Chico, CA. Talk to Frank.
>>>
>>> http://www.push-pull.com/
>>>
>>> 176-VTT-2-51
>>> 176-VTT-2-47
>>> 176-VTT-2-72
>>>
>>> These are for the mixture, throttle and prop respectively.
>>>
>>> Ask for Frank if you need a live person. He knows what they're going on.
>>>
>>> The cable tags will say "not for use on aircraft", which usually means
>>> they know you're using it on an aircraft
>>>
>>> -----
>>>
>>> Hope this helps!
>>>
>>> bob
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Bob Leffler
>>> N410BL - FWF
>>> RV-10 #40684
>>> http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334767#334767
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | For those that haven't bought their avionics yet.................. |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2011/03/garmin-announces-the-future-of-avionics-.html#more
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | For those that haven't bought their avionics yet.................. |
So far the only thing I hate about Garmin is that they roll out new product
s too fast making their other new products obsolete way too soon.
EEEHHHGGGG!
> Date: Wed=2C 23 Mar 2011 20:30:01 -0700
> Subject: RV10-List: For those that haven't bought their avionics yet.....
.............
> From: apilot2(at)gmail.com
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2011/03/garmin-announces-the-future-of-avionic
s-.html#more
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: For those that haven't bought their avionics yet.................. |
What a cool looking GPS. Pretty soon we will just buy a touch screen panel from
Stein that is then loaded with software and is completely customizable.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com
________________________________
From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 9:50:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: For those that haven't bought their avionics
yet..................
So far the only thing I hate about Garmin is that they roll out new products
too fast making their other new products obsolete way too soon.
EEEHHHGGGG!
> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:30:01 -0700
> Subject: RV10-List: For those that haven't bought their avionics
>yet..................
> From: apilot2(at)gmail.com
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2011/03====================
> _====
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: For those that haven't bought their avionics yet.................. |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Aero-News Net also reports that Honeywell/King has collaborated with
Aspen Avionics and claims they will finally have their WAAS GPS 770
before the end of this year.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:50 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
> So far the only thing I hate about Garmin is that they roll out new products
> too fast making their othernew products obsolete way too soon.
>
> EEEHHHGGGG!
>
>> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:30:01 -0700
>> Subject: RV10-List: For those that haven't bought their avionics
>> yet..................
>> From: apilot2(at)gmail.com
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>>
>> http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2011/03====================
>> _====
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling |
air
Thanks Konrad,
That was the information I was seeking. Incidentally, do you know the source?
I too have the Sam James Cowl and plenum, in fact I was the second customer. It
is therefore quite disturbing to hear that the intake area is probably too small.
Increasing it to 6" will actually increase the airflow by a factor 5 (proportional
to the 4th power of the radius). However my understanding is that
the system works by having the intake very close to the propeller trailing edge
and therefore having relatively high energy air entering the plenum. The expansion
area of the plenum causes the air to slow down and hence be more available
for efficient cooling whilst the intake provides the pressure that drives
the flow. It's not a simple system and hence I was looking for an engineer's
opinion.
I received an update to the cowl some time ago and now I am getting ready to install
it. It appears that the air outlet was too small and Sam sent me a new
outlet to replace the original. This part will have to be glassed in and as I
am also using a non standard exhaust system which is larger than the Vetterman
I wanted to design the replacement outlet so that I only have one amendment
to make to the cowl.
I was aware of the LOP problem and was lucky enough to be able to see the solution
(pressurised injectors) on Deems' aircraft last May.
Many thanks to all,
Rodger
--- On Wed, 23/3/11, Konrad/Conny wrote:
> From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling
air
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, 23 March, 2011, 19:06
> Konrad/Conny
>
> Dear Rodger,
>
> I has been a few years, but if I recall correctly, then the
> factor is right around 1.5 (I think?) for the hot expanding
> air to exhaust properly, when compared to the denser cold
> air coming in.
>
> I agree with Ralph, as Sam James's cowling and plenum
> systems are very efficient in that respect, by tightly
> controlling the cooling airflow and not wasting any air
> molecules for unnecessary drag.
>
> Konrad
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Considering the work that was done to develop the
> SamJames cowl and plenum...and how well they work - I think
> they're a great starting place.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
> >> Sent: Mar 23, 2011 7:42 AM
> >> To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet
> areas for engine cooling air
> >>
>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Can any of the engineers out there please advise
> whether there is an optimal ratio of the cowl inlet to
> outlet areas for engine air cooling?
> >>
> >> Thanking you all in anticipation,
> >>
> >> Rodger
> >> In Oz where cooling matters
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling |
air
Dear Rodger,
I don't remember the original source, as it has been years since I
last thought about the subject matter.
The main thought is to create the proper pressure differential between
the "properly sealed" upper and lower cowling chambers to actually -
suck- a sufficient amount of cooling air through the cylinders...
notice that I didn't say -blow- through ;-) I would actually rig up a
measuring system to see what the actual pressure differential is in
various cowling-/cylinder locations before I would start hacking on
the fiberglass at either intake or exhaust locations. A somewhat
pilot adjustable cowl flap sure would be my choice of heat control
(i.e. exhaust suction control), depending on climb, cruise, or top
speed operation...
The Racers at Reno are a mighty fine example of how little air flow
one can get away with, if their cooling system is really maximized for
proper performance with a minimum of cooling drag. I know Sam James
in person, and he sure is one interesting guy to talk to. I am not an
engineer by any means, but I do listen to smarter people then I am, so
I can learn from them. If I were you, then I would have a long talk
with Sam to discuss all options to improve cooling, if need be... Like
I said earlier, I personally would experiment with it all first, as to
come up with some accurate data to know where the actual problem may
lie to begin with.
Just my two cents, Konrad
On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:21 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>
> Thanks Konrad,
>
> That was the information I was seeking. Incidentally, do you know
> the source?
>
> I too have the Sam James Cowl and plenum, in fact I was the second
> customer. It is therefore quite disturbing to hear that the intake
> area is probably too small. Increasing it to 6" will actually
> increase the airflow by a factor 5 (proportional to the 4th power of
> the radius). However my understanding is that the system works by
> having the intake very close to the propeller trailing edge and
> therefore having relatively high energy air entering the plenum.
> The expansion area of the plenum causes the air to slow down and
> hence be more available for efficient cooling whilst the intake
> provides the pressure that drives the flow. It's not a simple system
> and hence I was looking for an engineer's opinion.
>
> I received an update to the cowl some time ago and now I am getting
> ready to install it. It appears that the air outlet was too small
> and Sam sent me a new outlet to replace the original. This part
> will have to be glassed in and as I am also using a non standard
> exhaust system which is larger than the Vetterman I wanted to design
> the replacement outlet so that I only have one amendment to make to
> the cowl.
>
> I was aware of the LOP problem and was lucky enough to be able to
> see the solution (pressurised injectors) on Deems' aircraft last May.
>
> Many thanks to all,
>
> Rodger
>
> --- On Wed, 23/3/11, Konrad/Conny wrote:
>
>> From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for
>> engine cooling air
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Wednesday, 23 March, 2011, 19:06
>> Konrad/Conny
>>
>> Dear Rodger,
>>
>> I has been a few years, but if I recall correctly, then the
>> factor is right around 1.5 (I think?) for the hot expanding
>> air to exhaust properly, when compared to the denser cold
>> air coming in.
>>
>> I agree with Ralph, as Sam James's cowling and plenum
>> systems are very efficient in that respect, by tightly
>> controlling the cooling airflow and not wasting any air
>> molecules for unnecessary drag.
>>
>> Konrad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Considering the work that was done to develop the
>> SamJames cowl and plenum...and how well they work - I think
>> they're a great starting place.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
>>>> Sent: Mar 23, 2011 7:42 AM
>>>> To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet
>> areas for engine cooling air
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Can any of the engineers out there please advise
>> whether there is an optimal ratio of the cowl inlet to
>> outlet areas for engine air cooling?
>>>>
>>>> Thanking you all in anticipation,
>>>>
>>>> Rodger
>>>> In Oz where cooling matters
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Forum -
>> FAQ,
>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>> List Contribution Web Site -
>> -Matt
>> Dralle, List Admin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling |
air
Thanks Konrad for your sage advice; I may be able to go to Florida in August and
I will try to call on Sam.
THanks very much,
Rodger
PS Do I have stack space for a GTN750?
--- On Thu, 24/3/11, Konrad/Conny wrote:
> From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling
air
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, 24 March, 2011, 8:11
> Konrad/Conny
>
> Dear Rodger,
>
> I don't remember the original source, as it has been years
> since I last thought about the subject matter.
>
> The main thought is to create the proper pressure
> differential between the "properly sealed" upper and lower
> cowling chambers to actually -suck- a sufficient amount of
> cooling air through the cylinders... notice that I didn't
> say -blow- through ;-) I would actually rig up a
> measuring system to see what the actual pressure
> differential is in various cowling-/cylinder locations
> before I would start hacking on the fiberglass at either
> intake or exhaust locations. A somewhat pilot
> adjustable cowl flap sure would be my choice of heat control
> (i.e. exhaust suction control), depending on climb,
> cruise, or top speed operation...
>
> The Racers at Reno are a mighty fine example of how little
> air flow one can get away with, if their cooling system is
> really maximized for proper performance with a minimum of
> cooling drag. I know Sam James in person, and he sure
> is one interesting guy to talk to. I am not an
> engineer by any means, but I do listen to smarter people
> then I am, so I can learn from them. If I were you,
> then I would have a long talk with Sam to discuss all
> options to improve cooling, if need be... Like I said
> earlier, I personally would experiment with it all first, as
> to come up with some accurate data to know where the actual
> problem may lie to begin with.
>
> Just my two cents, Konrad
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:21 PM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks Konrad,
> >
> > That was the information I was seeking.
> Incidentally, do you know the source?
> >
> > I too have the Sam James Cowl and plenum, in fact I
> was the second customer. It is therefore quite
> disturbing to hear that the intake area is probably too
> small. Increasing it to 6" will actually increase the
> airflow by a factor 5 (proportional to the 4th power of the
> radius). However my understanding is that the system
> works by having the intake very close to the propeller
> trailing edge and therefore having relatively high energy
> air entering the plenum. The expansion area of the
> plenum causes the air to slow down and hence be more
> available for efficient cooling whilst the intake provides
> the pressure that drives the flow. It's not a simple system
> and hence I was looking for an engineer's opinion.
> >
> > I received an update to the cowl some time ago and now
> I am getting ready to install it. It appears that the
> air outlet was too small and Sam sent me a new outlet to
> replace the original. This part will have to be
> glassed in and as I am also using a non standard exhaust
> system which is larger than the Vetterman I wanted to design
> the replacement outlet so that I only have one amendment to
> make to the cowl.
> >
> > I was aware of the LOP problem and was lucky enough to
> be able to see the solution (pressurised injectors) on
> Deems' aircraft last May.
> >
> > Many thanks to all,
> >
> > Rodger
> >
> > --- On Wed, 23/3/11, Konrad/Conny
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner(at)comcast.net>
> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and
> outlet areas for engine cooling air
> >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Date: Wednesday, 23 March, 2011, 19:06
> >> Konrad/Conny
> >>
> >> Dear Rodger,
> >>
> >> I has been a few years, but if I recall correctly,
> then the
> >> factor is right around 1.5 (I think?) for the hot
> expanding
> >> air to exhaust properly, when compared to the
> denser cold
> >> air coming in.
> >>
> >> I agree with Ralph, as Sam James's cowling and
> plenum
> >> systems are very efficient in that respect, by
> tightly
> >> controlling the cooling airflow and not wasting
> any air
> >> molecules for unnecessary drag.
> >>
> >> Konrad
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 23, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Ralph E. Capen
> wrote:
> >>
> Capen"
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Considering the work that was done to develop
> the
> >> SamJames cowl and plenum...and how well they work
> - I think
> >> they're a great starting place.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
> >>>> Sent: Mar 23, 2011 7:42 AM
> >>>> To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
> >>>> Subject: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake
> and outlet
> >> areas for engine cooling air
> >>>>
> Todd
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> Can any of the engineers out there please
> advise
> >> whether there is an optimal ratio of the cowl
> inlet to
> >> outlet areas for engine air cooling?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanking you all in anticipation,
> >>>>
> >>>> Rodger
> >>>> In Oz where cooling matters
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Forum -
> >> FAQ,
> >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> >> List Contribution Web Site -
> >>
> -Matt
> >> Dralle, List Admin.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling |
air
Yup - I took an earlier post as an educational point - my experience is with my
6A - which I'm happy with.
Like I said before they should have done the same level of research and testing
on the -10 cowl......
Takin the heat - fessin I'm wrong....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
>Sent: Mar 23, 2011 4:57 PM
>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling
air
>
>
>As one who drank the Koolaid, I would beg to disagree, IMO the Sam James
>cowl intake area is WAY UNDERSIZED, I believe this has been
>substantiated by another -10 builder who did some considerable
>modifications to increase the size of the intake for the SJ cowl/plenum
>and saw improved cooling performance. If you think about it, it stands
>to reason, James uses the same size intake rings for the 6 cyl as he
>does for the 4 cyl ????? Yet there is considerable more area to cool an
>more heat generated. The cowls look sexy, but I cannot attribute ANY
>improvement to speed/performance. However, by way of comparison there is
>a Reduction in the cooling.
>
>Deems
>N519PJ
>
>On 3/23/2011 9:27 AM, Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
>>
>> Considering the work that was done to develop the SamJames cowl and plenum...and
how well they work - I think they're a great starting place.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rodger Todd<rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
>>> Sent: Mar 23, 2011 7:42 AM
>>> To: RV10-List(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling
air
>>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rodger Todd
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Can any of the engineers out there please advise whether there is an optimal
ratio of the cowl inlet to outlet areas for engine air cooling?
>>>
>>> Thanking you all in anticipation,
>>>
>>> Rodger
>>> In Oz where cooling matters
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: For those that haven't bought their avionics yet.................. |
Finally - some competition to Garmin - maybe it will get a little bit more reasonable
now?!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 24, 2011 12:26 AM
>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: For those that haven't bought their avionics yet..................
>
>
>Aero-News Net also reports that Honeywell/King has collaborated with
>Aspen Avionics and claims they will finally have their WAAS GPS 770
>before the end of this year.
>
>On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:50 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:
>> So far the only thing I hate about Garmin is that they roll out new products
>> too fast making their othernew products obsolete way too soon.
>>
>> EEEHHHGGGG!
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:30:01 -0700
>>> Subject: RV10-List: For those that haven't bought their avionics
>>> yet..................
>>> From: apilot2(at)gmail.com
>>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>>
>>>
>>> http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2011/03====================
>>> _====
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Rosen <N205EN(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | New Garmin Radios Announced GTN 650 & 750 |
Garmin announce the successors to the GNS 430W and 530W.
<http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2011/03/garmin-announces-the-future-of-avionics-.html>
Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling |
air
FYI
Even though everyone refers to them as the Sam James Cowls, Sam only
builds the Plenum, his son Will builds the Cowls, they are as different
as night and day to talk to. Will is extremely helpful over the phone.
Deems
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Matt,
You are correct. AIG and USAIG are different companies.
We had USAIG for many years on the 182 and they had a nice "plain language" policy
that you didn't have to be a lawyer to read.
Bob
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334912#334912
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | MT Governor oil leak |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
For those with the MT governor who've adjusted the orientation of the
control arm (which I assume is pretty much all of us with the MT), have you
noticed any oil leaks in that area? I'm getting a small one on the top and
front of that circular part (where there's a seam between the main governor
body and the ring that the 6 screws hold down). Anyone seen anything like
this? I'm wondering if I damaged a gasket when reorienting the arm.
-Rob
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying, Phase 1
http://kochman.net/N819K
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: For those that haven't bought their avionics yet.................. |
| From: | William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com> |
For better or worse (and I think better) touch screen interface in
aircraft, cars, etc are here to stay at least until reliable voice
control or maybe direct mind control :-) comes about. Touch screen
can be done badly, such as the Bendix/King AV8OR line, and it can be
done well such as Garmin and iPad.
Anchoring your hand with an intuitive touch screen interface is IMHO
quicker and easier for data entry than knobs or buttons. I've flown
with my land Nuvi RAM mounted on the panel and iPad and have no issues
with entering commands in turbulence. If you look on the Avweb video
you will see the Garmin pilot rest three fingers on the bezel while
entering commands with his index finger. All operations were faster
than if those commands were being entered with knobs. When done this
was, data entry is effortless. If you allow you hand to freely float
above the screen it will be difficult.
The F-18 Super Hornet upgrade and the next generation F-35 fighter has
touch screen interfaces. The military usually invests a significant
amount of time and money in human factory testing. If touch screen was
such a bad thing, no consideration would be given to using it in the
"turbulent" environment of a combat cockpit.
In 1998 Garmin introduced the GNS-430 with a list price of $10,995.
In 2007? Garmin introduced the GNS-430W with a list price of $11,295.
In 2011 Garmin introduces the GTN 650 with a list price of $11,495.
Is this a new product too fast or too expensive? I guess it is a
matter of perspective. For comparison, consider that the Bendix/King
KX-155 Nav/Comm transceiver with glidescope has a list price of
$5,008.
--
William
N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Dave Saylor
wrote:
>
> It seems like touch screen would work a lot better as a kneeboard or
> on a console. Rubberbanding a route seems hopeless, about as difficult
> as writing legibly in the same position. I haven't flown with an ipad
> yet but the GPS in my car is mounted vertically next to the rear view
> mirror and even on smooth roads it can be difficult to use, especially
> doing stuff like entering text on the "keyboard".
>
> Also, I like the fact that I have three major brands in my panel.
> They work well together, and if something goes TU I don't have all my
> eggs in one basket. I guess you can still spread things around with
> this new hardware but the intention seems to be a single-brand
> solution.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: For those that haven't bought their avionics yet.................. |
| From: | Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com> |
Did I miss something or did they not say that you could still do the input
via the knobs if you wanted too? So... if it was very turbulent and you
were having issues, couldn't you just revert back to the old method of
input?
I really like the idea of being able to input airways directly. In the
video it shows them selecting a vor and then all of the airways showed up in
a list. slick!
Shannon
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:43 PM, William Curtis wrote:
>
> For better or worse (and I think better) touch screen interface in
> aircraft, cars, etc are here to stay at least until reliable voice
> control or maybe direct mind control :-) comes about. Touch screen
> can be done badly, such as the Bendix/King AV8OR line, and it can be
> done well such as Garmin and iPad.
>
> Anchoring your hand with an intuitive touch screen interface is IMHO
> quicker and easier for data entry than knobs or buttons. I've flown
> with my land Nuvi RAM mounted on the panel and iPad and have no issues
> with entering commands in turbulence. If you look on the Avweb video
> you will see the Garmin pilot rest three fingers on the bezel while
> entering commands with his index finger. All operations were faster
> than if those commands were being entered with knobs. When done this
> was, data entry is effortless. If you allow you hand to freely float
> above the screen it will be difficult.
>
> The F-18 Super Hornet upgrade and the next generation F-35 fighter has
> touch screen interfaces. The military usually invests a significant
> amount of time and money in human factory testing. If touch screen was
> such a bad thing, no consideration would be given to using it in the
> "turbulent" environment of a combat cockpit.
>
> In 1998 Garmin introduced the GNS-430 with a list price of $10,995.
> In 2007? Garmin introduced the GNS-430W with a list price of $11,295.
> In 2011 Garmin introduces the GTN 650 with a list price of $11,495.
>
> Is this a new product too fast or too expensive? I guess it is a
> matter of perspective. For comparison, consider that the Bendix/King
> KX-155 Nav/Comm transceiver with glidescope has a list price of
> $5,008.
>
> --
> William
> N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Dave Saylor
> wrote:
> dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
> >
> > It seems like touch screen would work a lot better as a kneeboard or
> > on a console. Rubberbanding a route seems hopeless, about as difficult
> > as writing legibly in the same position. I haven't flown with an ipad
> > yet but the GPS in my car is mounted vertically next to the rear view
> > mirror and even on smooth roads it can be difficult to use, especially
> > doing stuff like entering text on the "keyboard".
> >
> > Also, I like the fact that I have three major brands in my panel.
> > They work well together, and if something goes TU I don't have all my
> > eggs in one basket. I guess you can still spread things around with
> > this new hardware but the intention seems to be a single-brand
> > solution.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Neal George" <n8zg(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling |
air
Now, Deems -
Sam is perfectly reasonable and more than willing to help.
As long as you see things his way... ;)
Neal
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Optimal cowl intake and outlet areas for engine cooling
air
FYI
Even though everyone refers to them as the Sam James Cowls, Sam only
builds the Plenum, his son Will builds the Cowls, they are as different
as night and day to talk to. Will is extremely helpful over the phone.
Deems
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: For those that haven't bought their avionics yet............ |
| From: | "mmayfield" <mmayfield(at)ozemail.com.au> |
> Did I miss something or did they not say that you could still do the input via
the knobs if you wanted too? So... if it was very turbulent and you were having
issues, couldn't you just revert back to the old method of input?
No you didn't miss it.
Everybody else did.
--------
Mike
Sydney, Australia
Pitts Model 12 under construction.
"Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please."
Mark Twain. Writer.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334980#334980
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: WingX 7 for iPad |
| From: | "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net> |
Tim,
We really appreciate you being on the leading edge to help guide us not-so-geeky
folks. I have been looking at ht iPad2 and wondering which one we need for
these apps. Do recommend the 16, 32, or 64GB?
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - FWF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334989#334989
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: QB Kit Primer |
| From: | "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net> |
Any of the ketones (like MEK) should work.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - FWF
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334992#334992
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 Insurance... |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
AIG as an aviation underwriter was sold off of the parent firm. It is
now Chartis. AFAIK it always was pretty separate from the divisions
that did the evil credit default swaps.
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> Matt,
>
> You are correct. AIG and USAIG are different companies.
>
> We had USAIG for many years on the 182 and they had a nice "plain language" policy
that you didn't have to be a lawyer to read.
>
> Bob
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334912#334912
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: WingX 7 for iPad |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
Hi Dave,
Personally, I get only the 64Gb version with 3G. This is because only the 3G versions
have a built-in gps, and that can be very handy. Mine actually works
well that way so often I only use the built-in gps, especially in the car. The
16Gb version would just work for most people if they only want it for one main
app, like foreflight or wingX. But, I would never ever go with a 16....always
get at least 32Gb. The aviation chart and plates take up quite a bit if space.
At 32GB, most people would be ok with a couple good, big, charting apps
and some other stuff.
64GB will give you the option for storage for lots of music, or a dozen or more
movies for layovers waiting for weather, or for kids entertainment. So I always
go big. In fact, I'm a bit disappointed that the iPad2 didn't come with
128GB, because I would have got that one just for movie space for the kids.
One other tip....I use Goodreader, and with that, I have almost every manual for
every item jn the plane, in .PDF form on the ipad, and also put PDF prints of
websites and stuff for vacations on the ipad....and copies of the ASRS form,
and insurance policy,
Copies of my pilot cert, medical, airworthiness, radio station license, and just
about every bit of info anyone could need...all on the ipad with me on my trips.
So, it's very handy for all of that stuff too.
In fact, on this trip to Mexico, I needed CH-22 WAC. Rather than buy it, I downloaded
the zipped .tif from the government, and good reader displays it great....so
still paper free....and cash free.
You'll never be sorry for going too big....just broke. ;)
Tim
On Mar 24, 2011, at 10:23 PM, "nukeflyboy" wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> We really appreciate you being on the leading edge to help guide us not-so-geeky
folks. I have been looking at ht iPad2 and wondering which one we need for
these apps. Do recommend the 16, 32, or 64GB?
>
> --------
> Dave Moore
> RV-6 flying
> RV-10 QB - FWF
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334989#334989
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: WingX 7 for iPad |
Re: RV10-List: Re: WingX 7 for iPad
Regarding WingX 7 for the ipad. I spoke with Seattle Avionics yesterday and
they said if you purchase the SA subscription for WingX 7 the same
subscription would drive both Beacon & Sky Radar. I took a quick look at
both apps and didn=92t see anything special if one already has ForeFlight a
nd
WingX7 however I claim to be no expert. I do know that the SA data is *
included* with the ForeFlight HD Pro app (at a higher subscription rate) an
d
not usable with any other app.
Robin
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Olson
*Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:31 PM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: WingX 7 for iPad
Hi Dave,
Personally, I get only the 64Gb version with 3G. This is because only the
3G versions have a built-in gps, and that can be very handy. Mine actually
works well that way so often I only use the built-in gps, especially in the
car. The 16Gb version would just work for most people if they only want it
for one main app, like foreflight or wingX. But, I would never ever go wit
h
a 16....always get at least 32Gb. The aviation chart and plates take up
quite a bit if space. At 32GB, most people would be ok with a couple good,
big, charting apps and some other stuff.
64GB will give you the option for storage for lots of music, or a dozen or
more movies for layovers waiting for weather, or for kids entertainment. S
o
I always go big. In fact, I'm a bit disappointed that the iPad2 didn't com
e
with 128GB, because I would have got that one just for movie space for the
kids.
One other tip....I use Goodreader, and with that, I have almost every manua
l
for every item jn the plane, in .PDF form on the ipad, and also put PDF
prints of websites and stuff for vacations on the ipad....and copies of the
ASRS form, and insurance policy,
Copies of my pilot cert, medical, airworthiness, radio station license, and
just about every bit of info anyone could need...all on the ipad with me on
my trips. So, it's very handy for all of that stuff too.
In fact, on this trip to Mexico, I needed CH-22 WAC. Rather than buy it, I
downloaded the zipped .tif from the government, and good reader displays it
great....so still paper free....and cash free.
You'll never be sorry for going too big....just broke. ;)
Tim
On Mar 24, 2011, at 10:23 PM, "nukeflyboy" wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> We really appreciate you being on the leading edge to help guide us
not-so-geeky folks. I have been looking at ht iPad2 and wondering which on
e
we need for these apps. Do recommend the 16, 32, or 64GB?
>
> --------
> Dave Moore
> RV-6 flying
> RV-10 QB - FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334989#334989
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: WingX 7 for iPad |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
That is very true.
Wingx currently does it far better in flight, is all.
Although, if ALL you care about in-flight is geo-ref approach plates and not
moving map, ads-b, and stuff like that, foreflight will be the better choic
e in flight.
Tim
On Mar 25, 2011, at 12:26 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
> Regarding WingX 7 for the ipad. I spoke with Seattle Avionics yesterday an
d they said if you purchase the SA subscription for WingX 7 the same subscri
ption would drive both Beacon & Sky Radar. I took a quick look at both apps a
nd didn=99t see anything special if one already has ForeFlight and Win
gX7 however I claim to be no expert. I do know that the SA data is included w
ith the ForeFlight HD Pro app (at a higher subscription rate) and not usable
with any other app.
>
>
>
> Robin
>
>
>
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:31 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: WingX 7 for iPad
>
>
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Personally, I get only the 64Gb version with 3G. This is because only the
3G versions have a built-in gps, and that can be very handy. Mine actually
works well that way so often I only use the built-in gps, especially in the
car. The 16Gb version would just work for most people if they only want it
for one main app, like foreflight or wingX. But, I would never ever go wit
h a 16....always get at least 32Gb. The aviation chart and plates take up q
uite a bit if space. At 32GB, most people would be ok with a couple good, b
ig, charting apps and some other stuff.
> 64GB will give you the option for storage for lots of music, or a dozen or
more movies for layovers waiting for weather, or for kids entertainment. S
o I always go big. In fact, I'm a bit disappointed that the iPad2 didn't co
me with 128GB, because I would have got that one just for movie space for th
e kids.
>
> One other tip....I use Goodreader, and with that, I have almost every manu
al for every item jn the plane, in .PDF form on the ipad, and also put PDF p
rints of websites and stuff for vacations on the ipad....and copies of the A
SRS form, and insurance policy,
> Copies of my pilot cert, medical, airworthiness, radio station license, an
d just about every bit of info anyone could need...all on the ipad with me o
n my trips. So, it's very handy for all of that stuff too.
>
> In fact, on this trip to Mexico, I needed CH-22 WAC. Rather than buy it, I
downloaded the zipped .tif from the government, and good reader displays it
great....so still paper free....and cash free.
>
> You'll never be sorry for going too big....just broke. ;)
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2011, at 10:23 PM, "nukeflyboy" wrote:
>
> >
> > Tim,
> >
> > We really appreciate you being on the leading edge to help guide us not-
so-geeky folks. I have been looking at ht iPad2 and wondering which one we n
eed for these apps. Do recommend the 16, 32, or 64GB?
> >
> > --------
> > Dave Moore
> > RV-6 flying
> > RV-10 QB - FWF
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334989#334989
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | Larry Rosen <N205EN(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: QB Kit Primer |
Acetone works fine as a solvent to remove the QB wash primer.
Larry
On 3/24/2011 11:30 PM, nukeflyboy wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "nukeflyboy"
>
> Any of the ketones (like MEK) should work.
>
> --------
> Dave Moore
> RV-6 flying
> RV-10 QB - FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=334992#334992
>
>
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up - A must |
Read
Pascal,
Thanks for the tip on the new tube. That's the first I'd
heard of the "New Easy Valve". Coincidentally, yesterday
I was emailing with Bob Leffler who showed me his main tube
stem clearance, and also with another RV-10 buddy who had
JUST yesterday, installed those tubes. They both sent
me pictures, which I have used completely without their
permission, to quick get the info out on this link below.
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/mods/index.html#Better_Tires_and_Tubes
This one is worth all you RV-10 guys checking out. It basically
summarizes the Nosewheel, Front Axle, Nose tube, Main Tube
issues, and gives you links to the places to get the things
that will fix all the issues. I also have pictures of
some of the various situations, from both my plane, and a couple
other RV-10's, so that you can see all the issues fairly
close up.
So it gives you everything you need to arm yourself with a fix
if you're a flying RV-10 builder, and everything you need to
prevent the issues completely if you haven't yet ordered
those parts from your kit. I sure wish all this stuff
had been either known, or available, back in 2005 when
I needed it. You newer builders have no idea how much
less pain you get to go through.... hell, everyone remembers
Randy #006, and his way cool build process....even he just
called me regarding axle extensions because he's broke
a couple of the Van's standard ones so far. You get all
the benefits.
Tim
On 3/24/2011 3:22 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> One of the items that was bothering me about the rear tubes was the
> angle the stem comes out of the tire. It made for checking the pressure
> rather hard, usually I lost 1-2psi just trying to get the gauge in there
> to check it. I discovered yesterday that Desser sells a tube for the
> 15-600/6 tires that has a stem with a 75 degree angle on it. I ordered a
> couple as it bothers me enough to just put in now versus continuing to
> deal with the current stem.
> http://www.desser.com/store/products/15%7B47%7D600%252d6-%22LEAKGUARD%22-BUTYL-TUBE-(New-Easy-Valve).html
>
>
> Pascal
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up - A must |
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| From: | John Trollinger <john(at)trollingers.com> |
I have tried several times to get my nose wheel stem to fit, but I
have to remove the cap and even then it is still a close fit.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
> Pascal,
>
> Thanks for the tip on the new tube. That's the first I'd
> heard of the "New Easy Valve". Coincidentally, yesterday
> I was emailing with Bob Leffler who showed me his main tube
> stem clearance, and also with another RV-10 buddy who had
> JUST yesterday, installed those tubes. They both sent
> me pictures, which I have used completely without their
> permission, to quick get the info out on this link below.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/tips/mods/index.html#Better_Tires_and_Tubes
>
> This one is worth all you RV-10 guys checking out. It basically
> summarizes the Nosewheel, Front Axle, Nose tube, Main Tube
> issues, and gives you links to the places to get the things
> that will fix all the issues. I also have pictures of
> some of the various situations, from both my plane, and a couple
> other RV-10's, so that you can see all the issues fairly
> close up.
>
> So it gives you everything you need to arm yourself with a fix
> if you're a flying RV-10 builder, and everything you need to
> prevent the issues completely if you haven't yet ordered
> those parts from your kit. I sure wish all this stuff
> had been either known, or available, back in 2005 when
> I needed it. You newer builders have no idea how much
> less pain you get to go through.... hell, everyone remembers
> Randy #006, and his way cool build process....even he just
> called me regarding axle extensions because he's broke
> a couple of the Van's standard ones so far. You get all
> the benefits.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 3/24/2011 3:22 PM, Pascal wrote:
>>
>>
>> One of the items that was bothering me about the rear tubes was the
>> angle the stem comes out of the tire. It made for checking the pressure
>> rather hard, usually I lost 1-2psi just trying to get the gauge in there
>> to check it. I discovered yesterday that Desser sells a tube for the
>> 15-600/6 tires that has a stem with a 75 degree angle on it. I ordered a
>> couple as it bothers me enough to just put in now versus continuing to
>> deal with the current stem.
>>
>> http://www.desser.com/store/products/15%7B47%7D600%252d6-%22LEAKGUARD%22-BUTYL-TUBE-(New-Easy-Valve).html
>>
>>
>> Pascal
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up - A must |
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You are so right about all the aftermarket options available in the last
year alone. I can tell you there is a lot more in the skunk works I know may
be out by Osh. I believe if I can help those behind me with better options
so they dont have to suffer the pain we did, I will. Basically everything
you're doing very well Tim.
As an example, Windscreen and windows is a HUGE option, anyone who doesn't
go the Cee Baileys route is really doing yourself a disfavor! The price is
the same, all the trimming is done for you when it arrives.. That was about
20 hours and numerous scratches from on-and off fitting that future builders
dont need to endure.
I push http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/ for a reason,
I make NOTHING on this other than knowing I am sending you to a "one stop
shop" place for everything you need for the RV-10. Yes, I was blessed to
work with them for the windscreen, but in doing so I saw amazing attention
to detail and fair pricing for the work, I believe they could easily charge
more and it would be worth it, as the final product is better. The wingtip
lens are not even worth comparing, there is no comparison between the Vans
one piece and the one you get from Cee Baileys, it arrives fitting or with
minor trimming and is far superior quality.
As Tim said, newer builders will get better, easier and better options, than
anyone before them had available to them.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up - A
must Read
Pascal,
Thanks for the tip on the new tube. That's the first I'd
heard of the "New Easy Valve". Coincidentally, yesterday
I was emailing with Bob Leffler who showed me his main tube
stem clearance, and also with another RV-10 buddy who had
JUST yesterday, installed those tubes. They both sent
me pictures, which I have used completely without their
permission, to quick get the info out on this link below.
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/mods/index.html#Better_Tires_and_Tubes
This one is worth all you RV-10 guys checking out. It basically
summarizes the Nosewheel, Front Axle, Nose tube, Main Tube
issues, and gives you links to the places to get the things
that will fix all the issues. I also have pictures of
some of the various situations, from both my plane, and a couple
other RV-10's, so that you can see all the issues fairly
close up.
So it gives you everything you need to arm yourself with a fix
if you're a flying RV-10 builder, and everything you need to
prevent the issues completely if you haven't yet ordered
those parts from your kit. I sure wish all this stuff
had been either known, or available, back in 2005 when
I needed it. You newer builders have no idea how much
less pain you get to go through.... hell, everyone remembers
Randy #006, and his way cool build process....even he just
called me regarding axle extensions because he's broke
a couple of the Van's standard ones so far. You get all
the benefits.
Tim
On 3/24/2011 3:22 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> One of the items that was bothering me about the rear tubes was the
> angle the stem comes out of the tire. It made for checking the pressure
> rather hard, usually I lost 1-2psi just trying to get the gauge in there
> to check it. I discovered yesterday that Desser sells a tube for the
> 15-600/6 tires that has a stem with a 75 degree angle on it. I ordered a
> couple as it bothers me enough to just put in now versus continuing to
> deal with the current stem.
> http://www.desser.com/store/products/15%7B47%7D600%252d6-%22LEAKGUARD%22-BUTYL-TUBE-(New-Easy-Valve).html
>
>
> Pascal
>
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| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up - A must |
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
Then you need the new wheel like I do now. Mine is coming today.
Tim
On Mar 25, 2011, at 11:07 AM, John Trollinger wrote:
>
> I have tried several times to get my nose wheel stem to fit, but I
> have to remove the cap and even then it is still a close fit.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>
>> Pascal,
>>
>> Thanks for the tip on the new tube. That's the first I'd
>> heard of the "New Easy Valve". Coincidentally, yesterday
>> I was emailing with Bob Leffler who showed me his main tube
>> stem clearance, and also with another RV-10 buddy who had
>> JUST yesterday, installed those tubes. They both sent
>> me pictures, which I have used completely without their
>> permission, to quick get the info out on this link below.
>>
>> http://www.myrv10.com/tips/mods/index.html#Better_Tires_and_Tubes
>>
>> This one is worth all you RV-10 guys checking out. It basically
>> summarizes the Nosewheel, Front Axle, Nose tube, Main Tube
>> issues, and gives you links to the places to get the things
>> that will fix all the issues. I also have pictures of
>> some of the various situations, from both my plane, and a couple
>> other RV-10's, so that you can see all the issues fairly
>> close up.
>>
>> So it gives you everything you need to arm yourself with a fix
>> if you're a flying RV-10 builder, and everything you need to
>> prevent the issues completely if you haven't yet ordered
>> those parts from your kit. I sure wish all this stuff
>> had been either known, or available, back in 2005 when
>> I needed it. You newer builders have no idea how much
>> less pain you get to go through.... hell, everyone remembers
>> Randy #006, and his way cool build process....even he just
>> called me regarding axle extensions because he's broke
>> a couple of the Van's standard ones so far. You get all
>> the benefits.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/24/2011 3:22 PM, Pascal wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> One of the items that was bothering me about the rear tubes was the
>>> angle the stem comes out of the tire. It made for checking the pressure
>>> rather hard, usually I lost 1-2psi just trying to get the gauge in there
>>> to check it. I discovered yesterday that Desser sells a tube for the
>>> 15-600/6 tires that has a stem with a 75 degree angle on it. I ordered a
>>> couple as it bothers me enough to just put in now versus continuing to
>>> deal with the current stem.
>>>
>>> http://www.desser.com/store/products/15%7B47%7D600%252d6-%22LEAKGUARD%22-BUTYL-TUBE-(New-Easy-Valve).html
>>>
>>>
>>> Pascal
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NAV/COM/GS Antenna |
>At 02:53 PM 1/26/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Gday all,
>I bought a Comant CI-121 NAV/COM/GS Antenna (V dipole) to install on my VS but
I have discovered that it wont fit.
>The diameter of the mounting base is 2.5 inches and that will not fit into the
Fibreglass Fairing on top of the VS.
>Which V dipoles have other people used on their VS?
>
>Cheers
>
>John MacCallum
>Builder 41016
>
>Rydal NSW Australia
Hi John,
I realize you posted about this a few months old, but I thought I'd comment on
your VOR antenna mounting conundrum. You called out a "CI-121 Nav/COM/GS", but
I think you really meant something like a CI-158C which is a Di-pole VOR/GS/Loc
antenna. The CI-121 is a fiberglass COM antenna only.
Here is the Cheif web page on NAV/GS/Loc antennas:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Antennas/ComantIndustries-NAV.html
In any case, I mounted a CI-158C in the fin of my RV-8 and it works very nicely
there. Here are some pictures of the installation:
Finished Installation:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&log=67041&row=1
Installation Techniques:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&log=66967&row=49
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&log=66968&row=48
Best regards,
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 160+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up - A must |
Read
Today I installed the new nosewheel from Matco and took some
photos. Unfortunately, in my state of intense focus I totally
overlooked getting a photo of the stem to front fork clearance
of the valve stem...but it was definitely over 1/4" of
clearance.
I updated the write up here:
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/mods/index.html#Better_Tires_and_Tubes
and also copied it to my own section of the site:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20110326/index.html
While I was working on it, I found out I neglected to
link the fullsize pictures so you couldn't zoom in and see
them close up....sorry about that...that's what I get for
not using my normal page building tool, and just winging it.
Anyway, the new nosewheel fit great, has awesome clearance,
and is now permanently not an issue anymore. Now my only
task is that next time I change the main tires, I'll throw
on a pair of leakguard tubes with the "new easy valve"
so I have tons of clearance there too.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 3/25/2011 8:43 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
> Pascal,
>
> Thanks for the tip on the new tube. That's the first I'd
> heard of the "New Easy Valve". Coincidentally, yesterday
> I was emailing with Bob Leffler who showed me his main tube
> stem clearance, and also with another RV-10 buddy who had
> JUST yesterday, installed those tubes. They both sent
> me pictures, which I have used completely without their
> permission, to quick get the info out on this link below.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/tips/mods/index.html#Better_Tires_and_Tubes
>
> This one is worth all you RV-10 guys checking out. It basically
> summarizes the Nosewheel, Front Axle, Nose tube, Main Tube
> issues, and gives you links to the places to get the things
> that will fix all the issues. I also have pictures of
> some of the various situations, from both my plane, and a couple
> other RV-10's, so that you can see all the issues fairly
> close up.
>
> So it gives you everything you need to arm yourself with a fix
> if you're a flying RV-10 builder, and everything you need to
> prevent the issues completely if you haven't yet ordered
> those parts from your kit. I sure wish all this stuff
> had been either known, or available, back in 2005 when
> I needed it. You newer builders have no idea how much
> less pain you get to go through.... hell, everyone remembers
> Randy #006, and his way cool build process....even he just
> called me regarding axle extensions because he's broke
> a couple of the Van's standard ones so far. You get all
> the benefits.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 3/24/2011 3:22 PM, Pascal wrote:
>>
>> One of the items that was bothering me about the rear tubes was the
>> angle the stem comes out of the tire. It made for checking the pressure
>> rather hard, usually I lost 1-2psi just trying to get the gauge in there
>> to check it. I discovered yesterday that Desser sells a tube for the
>> 15-600/6 tires that has a stem with a 75 degree angle on it. I ordered a
>> couple as it bothers me enough to just put in now versus continuing to
>> deal with the current stem.
>> http://www.desser.com/store/products/15%7B47%7D600%252d6-%22LEAKGUARD%22-BUTYL-TUBE-(New-Easy-Valve).html
>>
>>
>>
>> Pascal
>>
>
>
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
| Subject: | quadrant cable lenghts |
Per Vans the quadrant cable lengths were 49.5" for the throttle and 52.5
for the mixture. Because these were a little tight I special ordered
cables 1.5 " longer. that is 51" and 54". The cables received were about
4" longer than the installed cable so we had plenty of extra cable to
route. Mine was an early firewall forward kit but something has
drastically changed either in the original cables supplied or the way
they are measured. I don't know whether they measure the same way as
certified cables. also do not use the eyeball firewall carry-thru unless
using the double nut version; the eyeball with the small screws and SS
clamps are a PITA to remove and install with the engine in place. This
operation should have never been needed since cables should last to TBO
and changed at overhaul when engine is elsewhere being overhauled.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Aerosport Products Additions |
I recently made a couple of upgrades to the plane, two of them were the door
handle covers and baggage door cover from Aerosport.
Here are some pictures of the install and final result.
I know Geoff will be at Sun n' Fun with many of his cool products you can see on
his plane.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=70179
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: quadrant cable lenghts |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I'm one of the ones who couldn't route the cables per plans, too tight.
I had a number of emails with Vans, couldn't resolve the source of the problem.
But anyway, per Vans (Ken I think), the measurement is:
>From the farthest point forward (threaded end) with the control full forward,
back to the mounting flange (cockpit end).
This only works if the forward ends are standardized. What also matters is the
distance forward to the attachment nuts.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335145#335145
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| From: | "John MacCallum" <vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: NAV/COM/GS Antenna |
Yes thank you Matt, You are right I quoted the wrong model. From memory it
is indeed a C-158. I didn't think to
Let out the Fibreglass more to get it to fit. Thank you to you and everyone
else for your photos.
Cheers
Cheers John MacCallum
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, 27 March 2011 4:25 AM
rv7-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Re: NAV/COM/GS Antenna
>At 02:53 PM 1/26/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Gday all,
>I bought a Comant CI-121 NAV/COM/GS Antenna (V dipole) to install on my VS
but I have discovered that it wont fit.
>The diameter of the mounting base is 2.5 inches and that will not fit into
the Fibreglass Fairing on top of the VS.
>Which V dipoles have other people used on their VS?
>
>Cheers
>
>John MacCallum
>Builder 41016
>
>Rydal NSW Australia
Hi John,
I realize you posted about this a few months old, but I thought I'd comment
on your VOR antenna mounting conundrum. You called out a "CI-121
Nav/COM/GS", but I think you really meant something like a CI-158C which is
a Di-pole VOR/GS/Loc antenna. The CI-121 is a fiberglass COM antenna only.
Here is the Cheif web page on NAV/GS/Loc antennas:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Antennas/ComantIndustries-NAV.h
tml
In any case, I mounted a CI-158C in the fin of my RV-8 and it works very
nicely there. Here are some pictures of the installation:
Finished Installation:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&log
67041&row=1
Installation Techniques:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&log
66967&row=49
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&log
66968&row=48
Best regards,
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 160+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John MacCallum" <vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: NAV/COM/GS Antenna |
No It's a C-215 but I shall adapt the same technique.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Sunday, 27 March 2011 4:25 AM
rv7-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Re: NAV/COM/GS Antenna
>At 02:53 PM 1/26/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Gday all,
>I bought a Comant CI-121 NAV/COM/GS Antenna (V dipole) to install on my VS
but I have discovered that it wont fit.
>The diameter of the mounting base is 2.5 inches and that will not fit into
the Fibreglass Fairing on top of the VS.
>Which V dipoles have other people used on their VS?
>
>Cheers
>
>John MacCallum
>Builder 41016
>
>Rydal NSW Australia
Hi John,
I realize you posted about this a few months old, but I thought I'd comment
on your VOR antenna mounting conundrum. You called out a "CI-121
Nav/COM/GS", but I think you really meant something like a CI-158C which is
a Di-pole VOR/GS/Loc antenna. The CI-121 is a fiberglass COM antenna only.
Here is the Cheif web page on NAV/GS/Loc antennas:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/Antennas/ComantIndustries-NAV.h
tml
In any case, I mounted a CI-158C in the fin of my RV-8 and it works very
nicely there. Here are some pictures of the installation:
Finished Installation:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&log
67041&row=1
Installation Techniques:
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&log
66967&row=49
http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&log
66968&row=48
Best regards,
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 160+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rveighta(at)comcast.net |
I'm listing this for a friend who has an RV-10 Tail Kit for sale. The eleva
tors, vertical stab and rudder are done, the rest is in Van's original box.
He's asking $2800=C2- or best offer. He prefers pickup, but could ship.
=C2- Contact Ed Athey=C2- (423) 863-4466.=C2- Owner is located in Lim
estone, TN.
Thanks,
Walt Shipley
RV-8, RV-8A,=C2- RV-12 under construction
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
| Subject: | nose wheel wheelpant bracket |
After 400 hours, the left side bracket developed a crack; If allowed to
continue will result in destruction of the wheel pant. Pictures tomorrow
of crack and fix.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | ACK ELT - is anyone getting them shipped? |
Just curious.. and ready. I've had one on order thru ACS since forever.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: ACK ELT - is anyone getting them shipped? |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> |
They shipped some out already, and more will go right after the AEA show they said....and
they have a pile of programmers to ship to the distributors too. I
was hoping to get mine by 3/31, but it sounds like a couple weeks perhaps before
everyone has the programmers and knows how to use them. They did say if you
didnt care about international use you could get it unprogrammed or something
like that perhaps...with no country code, but I'm not sure about that. I'd
just wait for the dealers to have the programmers....the ELT is such a minor
install, you could do it just before flying.
So anyway, that's what I heard when I called them late last week....they were pumped
up and shipping some, but had to get to the AEA show for a few days before
they sent out tons more.
I'm #8 in line from the dealer I bought from so it should be pretty soon for me.
Tim
On Mar 27, 2011, at 8:00 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Just curious.. and ready. I've had one on order thru ACS since forever.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: For those that haven't bought their avionics yet.................. |
| From: | Tom Koelzer <40950(at)rv10.net> |
I'm behind on my reading and thus late to the fight but had something to contribute.
William noted the advancement of touch screens in military and now GA aircraft
and the importance of human factors. All are subject to the effects of turbulence
regarding the ability of the pilot to enter data. GA aircraft are more susceptible
to turbulence due to light wing loading. The key is anchoring your hand
to effect inputs to the device. I saw the video on the new Garmin touch screen
device but could not visualize the ability to stabilize your hand while inputing
data. Even in the mid eighties, the Brits and others discovered ways to
input data into nav computers, in this case the Jaguar, while flying low level
at significant speeds when even heavy aircraft were susceptible to the effects
turbulence. I remember holding the glare shield with my left hand fingers
while entering the data one number at a time with my thumb into a remote data
key pad as the airplane is jumping all around. This remote pad was conveniently
located on the left glare shield so I could still fly with the right hand and
stay heads-up during the low-level flying. It worked quite well. Maybe we don't
need a glare shield mounted remote key pad but I'm not yet sold on the touch
screens mid-panel mounted in GA aircraft susceptible to effects of turbulence
until I see how to anchor my hand while entering data. Need to see this one
in-flight to make a determination.
My 2-cents,
Tom
On Mar 24, 2011, at 12:43 PM, William Curtis wrote:
>
> For better or worse (and I think better) touch screen interface in
> aircraft, cars, etc are here to stay at least until reliable voice
> control or maybe direct mind control :-) comes about. Touch screen
> can be done badly, such as the Bendix/King AV8OR line, and it can be
> done well such as Garmin and iPad.
>
> Anchoring your hand with an intuitive touch screen interface is IMHO
> quicker and easier for data entry than knobs or buttons. I've flown
> with my land Nuvi RAM mounted on the panel and iPad and have no issues
> with entering commands in turbulence. If you look on the Avweb video
> you will see the Garmin pilot rest three fingers on the bezel while
> entering commands with his index finger. All operations were faster
> than if those commands were being entered with knobs. When done this
> was, data entry is effortless. If you allow you hand to freely float
> above the screen it will be difficult.
>
> The F-18 Super Hornet upgrade and the next generation F-35 fighter has
> touch screen interfaces. The military usually invests a significant
> amount of time and money in human factory testing. If touch screen was
> such a bad thing, no consideration would be given to using it in the
> "turbulent" environment of a combat cockpit.
>
> In 1998 Garmin introduced the GNS-430 with a list price of $10,995.
> In 2007? Garmin introduced the GNS-430W with a list price of $11,295.
> In 2011 Garmin introduces the GTN 650 with a list price of $11,495.
>
> Is this a new product too fast or too expensive? I guess it is a
> matter of perspective. For comparison, consider that the Bendix/King
> KX-155 Nav/Comm transceiver with glidescope has a list price of
> $5,008.
>
> --
> William
> N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Dave Saylor
> wrote:
>>
>> It seems like touch screen would work a lot better as a kneeboard or
>> on a console. Rubberbanding a route seems hopeless, about as difficult
>> as writing legibly in the same position. I haven't flown with an ipad
>> yet but the GPS in my car is mounted vertically next to the rear view
>> mirror and even on smooth roads it can be difficult to use, especially
>> doing stuff like entering text on the "keyboard".
>>
>> Also, I like the fact that I have three major brands in my panel.
>> They work well together, and if something goes TU I don't have all my
>> eggs in one basket. I guess you can still spread things around with
>> this new hardware but the intention seems to be a single-brand
>> solution.
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
Thought I would share some panel pics. Still finishing interior.
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| From: | Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
Looking very stealth like. . I think my 8A seats might look like a good
color combination for your interior.
Very tidy workplace. Well done.
BTW RV-list the G3X system updates are dirt simple.
Robin
Seats less blurry in person:
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Thought I would share some panel pics. Still finishing interior.
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| Subject: | fuel valve bracket & clearance |
| From: | "rvdave" <davidbf(at)centurytel.net> |
I have the old style fuel valve bracket that came with my quick build and see that
there was a change later on so that the heat ducting can go above the valve
and not below. I'm not sure that simply inverting the bracket will allow enough
clearance, is someone familiar with the steps needed to modify to allow clearance?
Seems the rudder cable uhmw guides are in the way, will also have to
re-make fuel lines.
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Key switch wiring |
| From: | "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com> |
Still having some issues in getting the Plasma III to fire correctly. I suspect
I may have something wrong at the switch, or at least that is where I am starting
my continued troubleshooting. I have been through the archives and saw several
variations. I have the ACS keyswitch, Unison slick mag on the left and the
Plasma III on the right. Does anyone with the exact same set-up working for
them have a wire by wire connection diagram and a pic they can share?
Eric Kallio
N518RV... Flying
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| Subject: | Re: fuel valve bracket & clearance |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
I would first recommend deciding whether you want to stick with the
Vans valve or upgrade to an Andair valve. That will influence where
you ultimately mount the valve. I seem to recall one of the "new"
style Vans valves failing at around 300 hours. Whether you move your
valve at all probably depends on whether you will use heater for rear
seat much or not. Or you could just ignore the issue and see whether
you have any issues in the first year of flying. You will have to go
back in there for first condition inspection anyway.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:15 AM, rvdave wrote:
>
> I have the old style fuel valve bracket that came with my quick build and see
that there was a change later on so that the heat ducting can go above the valve
and not below. I'm not sure that simply inverting the bracket will allow enough
clearance, is someone familiar with the steps needed to modify to allow
clearance? Seems the rudder cable uhmw guides are in the way, will also have to
re-make fuel lines.
>
> --------
> Dave Ford
> RV6 flying
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335256#335256
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Key switch wiring |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> |
That's what I have and documented on my site, but don't trust it blindly because
although it works great for me, it certainly isn't standard and doesnt make
sense totally to me. I found it from another guy it worked for.
Tim
On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:50 AM, "Eric_Kallio" wrote:
>
> Still having some issues in getting the Plasma III to fire correctly. I suspect
I may have something wrong at the switch, or at least that is where I am starting
my continued troubleshooting. I have been through the archives and saw
several variations. I have the ACS keyswitch, Unison slick mag on the left and
the Plasma III on the right. Does anyone with the exact same set-up working for
them have a wire by wire connection diagram and a pic they can share?
>
> Eric Kallio
> N518RV... Flying
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335259#335259
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | bgill1(at)charter.net |
| Subject: | Key switch wiring |
Hi Eric:
I don't have my info handy at the moment but I wired mine up using Tim's
(myrv10.com) as a reference and it works fine. search for "Electrical
system tips" then Wiring a keyswitch. Should take care of it.
Byron
N253RV Phase 1
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Eric_Kallio wrote:
>
> Still having some issues in getting the Plasma III to fire correctly.
> I suspect I may have something wrong at the switch, or at least that
> is where I am starting my continued troubleshooting. I have been
> through the archives and saw several variations. I have the ACS
> keyswitch, Unison slick mag on the left and the Plasma III on the
> right. Does anyone with the exact same set-up working for them have a
> wire by wire connection diagram and a pic they can share?
>
> Eric Kallio
> N518RV... Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335259#335259
>
>
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| From: | davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: fuel valve bracket & clearance |
I originally had mine (Andair) mounted at the top so I would not need an extension.
After I got things plumbed up and rudder cables installed, I had to snake
the heat scat to get it to the back. I was not at all happy that the heat duct
was right next to the valve and fuel line plumbing, let alone riding next to
the rudder cable for potential wear. I ended up mov ing the valve to the plans
position and machining an extension myself. (Andair does offer extensions).
I am happy with the results and feel a whole lot better that I am not exposing
the valve and fuel lines to the heat carried in the duct. I really like the Andair
valve but thinking back I should have probably stuck with the Van's supplied
valve for simplicity of installation.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "rvdave" <davidbf(at)centurytel.net>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:15:15 AM
Subject: RV10-List: fuel valve bracket & clearance
I have the old style fuel valve bracket that came with my quick build and see that
there was a change later on so that the heat ducting can go above the valve
and not below. I'm not sure that simply inverting the bracket will allow enough
clearance, is someone familiar with the steps needed to modify to allow clearance?
Seems the rudder cable uhmw guides are in the way, will also have to
re-make fuel lines.
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: fuel valve bracket & clearance |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I received a 'bastard' QB kit - some parts for the old configuration, some for
the new, so I had a chance to look at all the parts.
Inverting the bracket will leave some holes in the wrong place. You need the new
brackets.
The rudder cables clear either installation.
The fuel lines will need to be re-done, removing the "cross over". The 'new' setup
also uses a few more AN fittings, rather than continuous tube and rubber grommets,
going into the tunnel area.
The 'new' valve is identical to the old one, except the shaft has been thinned
slightly to allow an extender tube to go over it.
IMHO the best (only?) reason to change to the new set up is that the new handle
looks much nicer, and has a positive 'lift to change tanks' detent.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: fuel valve bracket & clearance |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I received a 'bastard' QB kit - some parts for the old configuration, some for
the new, so I had a chance to look at all the parts.
Inverting the bracket will leave some holes in the wrong place. You need the new
brackets.
The rudder cables clear either installation.
The fuel lines will need to be re-done, removing the "cross over". The 'new' setup
also uses a few more AN fittings, rather than continuous tube and rubber grommets,
going into the tunnel area.
The 'new' valve is identical to the old one, except the shaft has been thinned
slightly to allow an extender tube to go over it.
IMHO the best (only?) reason to change to the new set up is that the new handle
looks much nicer, and has a positive 'lift to change tanks' detent.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Key switch wiring |
| From: | "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com> |
Tim, I did base what I have on you site. Much of what I have used as a reference
has come from you and Deems. I am just not getting any spark from the lightspeed,
ever. So I am fishing to see how someone else may have cracked this nut.
Eric
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | fuel valve bracket & clearance |
David,
I was with you all the way till the simplicity part. I
personally feel the Andair fuel valve is worth the effort over the Vans Fuel
valve.
Robin
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davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
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*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: fuel valve bracket & clearance
I originally had mine (Andair) mounted at the top so I would not need an
extension. After I got things plumbed up and rudder cables installed, I had
to snake the heat scat to get it to the back. I was not at all happy that
the heat duct was right next to the valve and fuel line plumbing, let alone
riding next to the rudder cable for potential wear. I ended up moving the
valve to the plans position and machining an extension myself. (Andair does
offer extensions). I am happy with the results and feel a whole lot better
that I am not exposing the valve and fuel lines to the heat carried in the
duct. I really like the Andair valve but thinking back I should have
probably stuck with the Van's supplied valve for simplicity of installation.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "rvdave" <davidbf(at)centurytel.net>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:15:15 AM
Subject: RV10-List: fuel valve bracket & clearance
I have the old style fuel valve bracket that came with my quick build and
see that there was a change later on so that the heat ducting can go above
the valve and not below. I'm not sure that simply inverting the bracket
will allow enough clearance, is someone familiar with the steps needed to
modify to allow clearance? Seems the rudder cable uhmw guides are in the
way, will also have to re-make fuel lines.
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Key switch wiring |
| From: | pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com> |
Eric did you verify the gap between the magnets and the sensor-this can be
very critical and can lead to intermittent problems-Just a thought based on
my experience-Jim
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Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:29 am
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Key switch wiring
Tim, I did base what I have on you site. Much of what I have used as a refe
rence
as come from you and Deems. I am just not getting any spark from the
ightspeed, ever. So I am fishing to see how someone else may have cracked t
his
ut.
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Key switch wiring |
| From: | "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com> |
Tim, It will fire like that. I had worked through that the first time I was having
issues with it kicking back the engine during crank. Although I could start
the engine fine with the CB pulled then reset it and everything ran fine. I
know it will fire, it is just a matter of getting it wired right on the keyswitch
so I am getting the correct ignition retarded and the engine starts. The first
time I had it wired to the sheet from ACS. The second time I wired it as
you did, and I am getting the Plasma constantly disabled. I have checked the switch
with a multi-meter and it appears to be functioning correctly. I am going
to SunNFun this weekend so I may do some poking around down there and chat with
the Stein and his folks. I think my big issue is going to be where to jumper
the key switch and where the p-lead form the mag ground go.
Eric
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| From: | davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: fuel valve bracket & clearance |
I guess what I meant by simplicity is that if I had just stuck with the pla
ns fuel valve set-up,,,,it would have been done right the first time. I spe
nt the better part of a full day redoing everything and machining the valve
extension. Contrary to what someone else said,,,I had interference with th
e rudder cable and would have had to make the scat tube oval shaped around
the Andair valve and fuel line/fitting,,,,then fasten it to the valve to ho
ld it in place,,,,something I was not willing to do. Another option was to
sheath the cable,,,,,but I really wanted to get some distance from the fuel
valve and fuel lines so it was worth the effort. The discussion on the And
air vs. Van's fuel valve has been pretty well hashed over many times. The m
ajority of builders have had very good success with Van's valve set up. I e
ven went so far as to assemble the valve with the van's detent kit and like
d the way it operated,,,,,you have to lift the selector pointer to change t
anks and it locks back down into position similiar to the way the Andair op
erates. The one thing I did not like about the Andair is that the L/R tank
position can be changed without lifting the pointer handle,,,,it is only he
ld in position by an internal valve "click" detent that is easily moved wit
h little effort. Fearing accidentally bumping the valve pointer somewhere i
n between the L/R position,,,I made mine so that the pointer handle has to
be lifted to move from L/R and to the OFF position.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Marks" <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 3:45:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel valve bracket & clearance
David,
I was with you all the way till the simplicity part. I personally feel the
Andair fuel valve is worth the effort over the Vans Fuel valve.
Robin
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matronics.com ] On Behalf Of davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel valve bracket & clearance
I originally had mine (Andair) mounted at the top so I would not need an ex
tension. After I got things plumbed up and rudder cables installed, I had t
o snake the heat scat to get it to the back. I was not at all happy that th
e heat duct was right next to the valve and fuel line plumbing, let alone r
iding next to the rudder cable for potential wear. I ended up moving the va
lve to the plans position and machining an extension myself. (Andair does o
ffer extensions). I am happy with the results and feel a whole lot better t
hat I am not exposing the valve and fuel lines to the heat carried in the d
uct. I really like the Andair valve but thinking back I should have probabl
y stuck with the Van's supplied valve for simplicity of installation.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "rvdave" < davidbf(at)centurytel.net >
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:15:15 AM
Subject: RV10-List: fuel valve bracket & clearance
I have the old style fuel valve bracket that came with my quick build and s
ee that there was a change later on so that the heat ducting can go above t
he valve and not below. I'm not sure that simply inverting the bracket will
allow enough clearance, is someone familiar with the steps needed to modif
y to allow clearance? Seems the rudder cable uhmw guides are in the way, wi
ll also have to re-make fuel lines.
--------
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RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| From: | Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Flight Guide - Airguide publications |
Hmmmmm, My wife just dropped an envelope on my desk and on opening it I
find a copy of Airguides new format 'Flight Guide' for the Western
States. I did Not order this. When, I received the renewal form in the
mail, I tossed it in favor of my Foreflight ipad app.
Is this some kind of marketing ploy? I checked my bank acct and no
debits have been entered. Has something similar happened to anyone else?
Deems
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| From: | "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com> |
| Subject: | Flight Guide - Airguide publications |
? I ordered and paid for mine and have not received it yet. I guess I made
someone mad....... :)
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications
Hmmmmm, My wife just dropped an envelope on my desk and on opening it I find
a copy of Airguides new format 'Flight Guide' for the Western States. I did
Not order this. When, I received the renewal form in the mail, I tossed it
in favor of my Foreflight ipad app.
Is this some kind of marketing ploy? I checked my bank acct and no debits
have been entered. Has something similar happened to anyone else?
Deems
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim setting |
| From: | "JHearnsberger" <jakehearnsberger(at)gmail.com> |
I would like to know others opinions on this topic. I might be willing to set
mine up this way.
Here's where I am at now, going by the plans. I set both trim tabs to 35 degrees
down and when I bring them up to trail position, the right side is higher than
the left side.
Please help me set my trim tabs up correctly.
Thanks,
Jake
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| From: | Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flight Guide - Airguide publications |
Hmmmmmmm, Deems it is either a marketing ploy or someone at your airport or
another airport heard you fly in to the wrong airport, on the wrong frequency,
landed on the wrong runway, taxied on the wrong taxi way, tied down in the wrong
spot and took the wrong airport car and they are just trying to help out.
Yaeeee, definitely a marketing ploy.
Do no archive
-Scott Schmidt
________________________________
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 7:39:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Flight Guide - Airguide publications
Hmmmmm, My wife just dropped an envelope on my desk and on opening it I find a
copy of Airguides new format 'Flight Guide' for the Western States. I did Not
order this. When, I received the renewal form in the mail, I tossed it in favor
of my Foreflight ipad app.
Is this some kind of marketing ploy? I checked my bank acct and no debits have
been entered. Has something similar happened to anyone else?
Deems
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim setting |
| From: | "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com> |
I set mine up as Bill DeRouchey suggests in the post above yours. Mine works fine,
with no problems. I believe you will have more nose up trim authority this
way. Others have set theirs up this way, and others have done it per the plans.
You get to choose. :)
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim setting |
| From: | "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net> |
Here is Bill's revised post, works great for us.
Later, - Lew
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:55:08 -0800
From: billderou(at)yahoo.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: alternate elevator trim settings or twisted tail
John-
Talking about nose up/down and elevator trim up/down could be causing the confusion
since they move opposite to one another. Its also important to recognize
when the positioning is created by the servo end travel or the trim trailing edge.
Another problem causing confusion is communicating in degrees. I do not believe
that when Van says "-35 degrees" that this setting can be accurately repeated
for X hundred aircraft, nor do I believe that Vans two factory RV-10's are set
to -35 degrees. All of my settings and conclusions were drawn from doing the
Trig and cutting out accurate triangles. This is also why I specified a vertical
3" of measurement to eliminate the errors.
So - lets take another run at it:
1. Run the trim servo to its end point where the right (starboard) elevator trim
tab is full down. Full down is determined by the servo stopping and not the
trim tab jamming.
2. Set the trim tab trailing edge to 3" vertically below and normal to the elevator
trailing edge.
3. Get someone else to run the trim servo switch and have them slowly raise the
right elevator trim tab until it exactly aligns with the elevator trailing edge.
This is not the end of the servo run - it is determined by the trailing edges
matching.
4. Set the left (port) elevator trim tab trailing edge to align with the elevator
trailing edge.
Its very simple and much easier than working with the -35 degree spec for each
surface.
I did communicate and was supported by Vans engineering on this subject. However,
I believe the priority of the RV-12 got in the way of following this issue
to its conclusion.
Bill
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Fly off completed !
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim setting |
I also used Bill's info and took some photos and did
a write-up here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20080622/index.html
In short, you want to get it so that both are neutral at the
same time, and you never have a situation where one is up and
the other is down. If you can do that, you're probably doing
just fine.
Tim
On 3/29/2011 6:55 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lew Gallagher"
>
> Here is Bill's revised post, works great for us.
> Later, - Lew
>
>
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:55:08 -0800
> From: billderou(at)yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: alternate elevator trim settings or twisted tail
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>
> John-
> Talking about nose up/down and elevator trim up/down could be causing the confusion
since they move opposite to one another. Its also important to recognize
when the positioning is created by the servo end travel or the trim trailing
edge.
> Another problem causing confusion is communicating in degrees. I do not believe
that when Van says "-35 degrees" that this setting can be accurately repeated
for X hundred aircraft, nor do I believe that Vans two factory RV-10's are
set to -35 degrees. All of my settings and conclusions were drawn from doing the
Trig and cutting out accurate triangles. This is also why I specified a vertical
3" of measurement to eliminate the errors.
> So - lets take another run at it:
> 1. Run the trim servo to its end point where the right (starboard) elevator trim
tab is full down. Full down is determined by the servo stopping and not the
trim tab jamming.
> 2. Set the trim tab trailing edge to 3" vertically below and normal to the elevator
trailing edge.
> 3. Get someone else to run the trim servo switch and have them slowly raise the
right elevator trim tab until it exactly aligns with the elevator trailing
edge. This is not the end of the servo run - it is determined by the trailing
edges matching.
> 4. Set the left (port) elevator trim tab trailing edge to align with the elevator
trailing edge.
> Its very simple and much easier than working with the -35 degree spec for each
surface.
> I did communicate and was supported by Vans engineering on this subject. However,
I believe the priority of the RV-12 got in the way of following this issue
to its conclusion.
> Bill
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Fly off completed !
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335387#335387
>
>
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| From: | "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim setting |
I followed the write up on Tim's web site and it worked out perfect in trail
from neutral thru full up elevator the neutral and one tab on the down
elevator. Tim has a great how to write up on his site I would highly
recommend this to anyone.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevator trim setting
I also used Bill's info and took some photos and did a write-up here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20080622/index.html
In short, you want to get it so that both are neutral at the same time, and
you never have a situation where one is up and the other is down. If you can
do that, you're probably doing just fine.
Tim
On 3/29/2011 6:55 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lew Gallagher"
>
> Here is Bill's revised post, works great for us.
> Later, - Lew
>
>
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:55:08 -0800
> From: billderou(at)yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: alternate elevator trim settings or twisted
> tail
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>
> John-
> Talking about nose up/down and elevator trim up/down could be causing the
confusion since they move opposite to one another. Its also important to
recognize when the positioning is created by the servo end travel or the
trim trailing edge.
> Another problem causing confusion is communicating in degrees. I do not
believe that when Van says "-35 degrees" that this setting can be accurately
repeated for X hundred aircraft, nor do I believe that Vans two factory
RV-10's are set to -35 degrees. All of my settings and conclusions were
drawn from doing the Trig and cutting out accurate triangles. This is also
why I specified a vertical 3" of measurement to eliminate the errors.
> So - lets take another run at it:
> 1. Run the trim servo to its end point where the right (starboard)
elevator trim tab is full down. Full down is determined by the servo
stopping and not the trim tab jamming.
> 2. Set the trim tab trailing edge to 3" vertically below and normal to the
elevator trailing edge.
> 3. Get someone else to run the trim servo switch and have them slowly
raise the right elevator trim tab until it exactly aligns with the elevator
trailing edge. This is not the end of the servo run - it is determined by
the trailing edges matching.
> 4. Set the left (port) elevator trim tab trailing edge to align with the
elevator trailing edge.
> Its very simple and much easier than working with the -35 degree spec for
each surface.
> I did communicate and was supported by Vans engineering on this subject.
However, I believe the priority of the RV-12 got in the way of following
this issue to its conclusion.
> Bill
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Fly off completed !
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335387#335387
>
>
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is
066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of
Clevelands.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1258510.html
Aircraft Supply in PA...$18.50
It is also used on the Beech Skipper
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, DLM wrote:
> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is
> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of
> Clevelands.
>
>
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
Spruce has carried them in the past. I just found them online
I think from Skygeek.com too for $18.99 each.
There are no Rapco's available yet. Rapco is in the process
of making them and getting them out but they said 2-3 more
months. I started talking to them back in 2006 or 2007 about
making them for the RV-10 and they're finally about to get
them in production. They told me last week that when they're
available, Desser Tire will have them first, but that it
will at least be 2-3 months yet.
For now, your only choice is Cleveland. Oh, and I saw that
Desser will likely be selling them for $16.99, so sadly,
it's not going to be a huge savings...only $8 for a complete
brake job.
Tim
On 3/29/2011 6:31 PM, DLM wrote:
> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is
> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of
> Clevelands.
>
> *
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| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and they are going to go
ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior to attaining the FAA
blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much better price.
Don McDonald
Here at Lakeland in my RV41.
________________________________
From: DLM <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM
Subject: RV10-List: brake linings
Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is
066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of Clevelands.
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| Subject: | Brakes and wheels info |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> |
Another nice RV-10 builder tipped me off that a couple of offsite links to nice
wheel/brake parts diagrams were broken so I did one better and found them again,
along with more stuff.
Towards the bottom of this page are some links you may want for future maintenance
an parts needs.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20061104/index.html
Have at it!
Tim
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
desser carries them
http://www.vansaircrafttires.com/categories/RV%252d10/Brakes/
From: DLM
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: brake linings
Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is
066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of
Clevelands.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them for
ends up changing to a real actual "much" better. The
Clevelands I saw for $18.99. Desser wanted $16.99 for
the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under
$10 for Rapco's. If they can't do better than cutting
$2 off, I can't consider it "much". I'd love to
see them for $10 each.
Tim
On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
> Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and they are going to
> go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior to attaining the
> FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much better price.
> Don McDonald
> Here at Lakeland in my RV41.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* DLM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: brake linings
>
> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is
> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of
> Clevelands.
>
> *
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| From: | Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
Vans quotes $66 for a set of four plus rivets - that's $16.50 each,
Rodger
--- On Wed, 30/3/11, Tim Olson wrote:
> From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 5:39
> Tim Olson
>
> I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them
> for
> ends up changing to a real actual "much" better. The
> Clevelands I saw for $18.99. Desser wanted $16.99
> for
> the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under
> $10 for Rapco's. If they can't do better than
> cutting
> $2 off, I can't consider it "much". I'd love to
> see them for $10 each.
> Tim
>
>
> On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
> > Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and
> they are going to
> > go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior
> to attaining the
> > FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much
> better price.
> > Don McDonald
> > Here at Lakeland in my RV41.
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* DLM
> > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM
> > *Subject:* RV10-List: brake linings
> >
> > Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112
> (Cleveland equivalent is
> > 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 +
> for a set of
> > Clevelands.
> >
> > *
>
> Forum -
> FAQ,
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> List Contribution Web Site -
> -Matt
> Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> |
Today, that's a good deal. I should warn you RV-10 guys....brakes may not last
you long until you get it in your head not to ride them. My first set lasted
150 hours or so, as a guess....I hit 170 and the rivets were hitting the rotors.
My next set went longer. But, if you fly 100 hrs/year, you'll want to inspect
every spring and fall and you will likely replace them every other year.
I'm sure many people will do better than me, too, but either way, always keep
a spare set on hand....you will find that it is nice not to scramble to order
them when you suddenly need them, because they're not convenient to change with
wheel fairings. That's why I have no air fill ports on the fairings....it
provides the necessary
Motivation to pop off the fairing occasionally and replace or inspect the brakes.
Tim
On Mar 30, 2011, at 2:22 AM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>
> Vans quotes $66 for a set of four plus rivets - that's $16.50 each,
>
> Rodger
>
> --- On Wed, 30/3/11, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 5:39
>> Tim Olson
>>
>> I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them
>> for
>> ends up changing to a real actual "much" better. The
>> Clevelands I saw for $18.99. Desser wanted $16.99
>> for
>> the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under
>> $10 for Rapco's. If they can't do better than
>> cutting
>> $2 off, I can't consider it "much". I'd love to
>> see them for $10 each.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
>>> Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and
>> they are going to
>>> go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior
>> to attaining the
>>> FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much
>> better price.
>>> Don McDonald
>>> Here at Lakeland in my RV41.
>>>
>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* DLM
>>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>> *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM
>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: brake linings
>>>
>>> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112
>> (Cleveland equivalent is
>>> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 +
>> for a set of
>>> Clevelands.
>>>
>>> *
>>
>> Forum -
>> FAQ,
>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>> List Contribution Web Site -
>> -Matt
>> Dralle, List Admin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
| From: | "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com> |
I've had the opportunity to fly RV-10's with and without rudder pedal extensions. I believe the rudder pedal extensions make staying off the brakes a whole lot easier. The angle of the pedals make it pretty hard to do without the extensions. This seems to be more true for taller pilots with bigger feet. I gave some transition training to a gentleman who purchased a flying RV-10 a couple of weeks ago. He was a big guy and had a real problem keeping his feet off the brakes. I am not sure, but suspect the rudder pedals were in the aft position on his airplane and that probably aggravated the problem. I installed the rudder pedal extensions from http://www.mlblueskunk.com/Rudder_pedal_Extensions.html and they are working great for me. There are other vendors selling similar extensions as well. I planned to change brake linings at my last condition inspection in December, but they were only about half worn at 300+ hours. I am going to take another look at them this week. Now that I am using my airplane for a little bit of Transition Training, I am sure the wear will accelerate.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
I agree that a lot of pilots ride the brakes. While checking out another
pilot in my 10, I did not notice he was on the brakes until we touched and
then hopped on the nose wheel. I now fly with my feet on the weldments and
deliberately move feet to centers to apply brakes. I will be suggesting that
others who fly my aircraft avoid using the brakes on landing.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings
>
> Today, that's a good deal. I should warn you RV-10 guys....brakes may not
> last you long until you get it in your head not to ride them. My first
> set lasted 150 hours or so, as a guess....I hit 170 and the rivets were
> hitting the rotors. My next set went longer. But, if you fly 100
> hrs/year, you'll want to inspect every spring and fall and you will likely
> replace them every other year. I'm sure many people will do better than
> me, too, but either way, always keep a spare set on hand....you will find
> that it is nice not to scramble to order them when you suddenly need them,
> because they're not convenient to change with wheel fairings. That's why
> I have no air fill ports on the fairings....it provides the necessary
> Motivation to pop off the fairing occasionally and replace or inspect the
> brakes.
> Tim
>
>
> On Mar 30, 2011, at 2:22 AM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>
>>
>> Vans quotes $66 for a set of four plus rivets - that's $16.50 each,
>>
>> Rodger
>>
>> --- On Wed, 30/3/11, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>> From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings
>>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 5:39
>>> Tim Olson
>>>
>>> I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them
>>> for
>>> ends up changing to a real actual "much" better. The
>>> Clevelands I saw for $18.99. Desser wanted $16.99
>>> for
>>> the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under
>>> $10 for Rapco's. If they can't do better than
>>> cutting
>>> $2 off, I can't consider it "much". I'd love to
>>> see them for $10 each.
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
>>>> Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and
>>> they are going to
>>>> go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior
>>> to attaining the
>>>> FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much
>>> better price.
>>>> Don McDonald
>>>> Here at Lakeland in my RV41.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* DLM
>>>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM
>>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: brake linings
>>>>
>>>> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112
>>> (Cleveland equivalent is
>>>> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 +
>>> for a set of
>>>> Clevelands.
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>
>>> Forum -
>>> FAQ,
>>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>>> List Contribution Web Site -
>>> -Matt
>>> Dralle, List Admin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "preid" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
My suggestion is those at SnF talk to Ken at the Desser booth, he is the one
driving all the parts for the -10, the other folks there wont know. Ask him
about the pads and other -10 parts in the works. Tell him you want better
pricing on the pads. He has been more than willing to make it work for the
RV's in general and I have found he listens to suggestions.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings
>
> I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them for
> ends up changing to a real actual "much" better. The
> Clevelands I saw for $18.99. Desser wanted $16.99 for
> the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under
> $10 for Rapco's. If they can't do better than cutting
> $2 off, I can't consider it "much". I'd love to
> see them for $10 each.
> Tim
>
>
> On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
>> Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and they are going to
>> go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior to attaining the
>> FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much better price.
>> Don McDonald
>> Here at Lakeland in my RV41.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* DLM
>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: brake linings
>>
>> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112 (Cleveland equivalent is
>> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 + for a set of
>> Clevelands.
>>
>> *
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: brake linings |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
Mike Seager taught me to keep my heels on the floor until after the
nosewheel touches down. Seems to work well.
-Rob
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:50 AM, DLM wrote:
>
> I agree that a lot of pilots ride the brakes. While checking out another
> pilot in my 10, I did not notice he was on the brakes until we touched and
> then hopped on the nose wheel. I now fly with my feet on the weldments and
> deliberately move feet to centers to apply brakes. I will be suggesting that
> others who fly my aircraft avoid using the brakes on landing.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:46 AM
>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings
>
>
>>
>> Today, that's a good deal. I should warn you RV-10 guys....brakes may not
>> last you long until you get it in your head not to ride them. My first set
>> lasted 150 hours or so, as a guess....I hit 170 and the rivets were hitting
>> the rotors. My next set went longer. But, if you fly 100 hrs/year, you'll
>> want to inspect every spring and fall and you will likely replace them every
>> other year. I'm sure many people will do better than me, too, but either
>> way, always keep a spare set on hand....you will find that it is nice not to
>> scramble to order them when you suddenly need them, because they're not
>> convenient to change with wheel fairings. That's why I have no air fill
>> ports on the fairings....it provides the necessary
>> Motivation to pop off the fairing occasionally and replace or inspect the
>> brakes.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2011, at 2:22 AM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Vans quotes $66 for a set of four plus rivets - that's $16.50 each,
>>>
>>> Rodger
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 30/3/11, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings
>>>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 5:39
>>>> Tim Olson
>>>>
>>>> I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them
>>>> for
>>>> ends up changing to a real actual "much" better. The
>>>> Clevelands I saw for $18.99. Desser wanted $16.99
>>>> for
>>>> the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under
>>>> $10 for Rapco's. If they can't do better than
>>>> cutting
>>>> $2 off, I can't consider it "much". I'd love to
>>>> see them for $10 each.
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and
>>>>>
>>>> they are going to
>>>>
>>>>> go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior
>>>>>
>>>> to attaining the
>>>>
>>>>> FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much
>>>>>
>>>> better price.
>>>>
>>>>> Don McDonald
>>>>> Here at Lakeland in my RV41.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>> *From:* DLM
>>>>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>>>> *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM
>>>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: brake linings
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112
>>>>>
>>>> (Cleveland equivalent is
>>>>
>>>>> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 +
>>>>>
>>>> for a set of
>>>>
>>>>> Clevelands.
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Forum -
>>>> FAQ,
>>>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>>>> List Contribution Web Site -
>>>> -Matt
>>>> Dralle, List Admin.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying, Phase 1
http://kochman.net/N819K
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)painttheweb.com> |
Re: RV10-List: brake linings
HEALS ON THE FLOOR! That was what was drilled into me from early on in my
flight training. It is nearly impossible to actuate the breaks with your
heals touching the floor boards. For me I do that & keep the balls of my
feet on the corners of the peddle assemblies until I need to apply the
brakes. My first set of brakes lasts 195 hours including about 40 hours
flying off of grass strips which can be substantially harder on the pads.
Those pads still had 20+% left but since we were changing tires & tubes we
changed the shoes as well. I hope to get 300 hours out of my second set
flying exclusively on pavement.
I am sure the rudder pedal extensions will help prevent brake riding. I am
however reticent to add more weight & costs to my flying -10, especially for
something I can do without if I use basic piloting skills.
Robin
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *DLM
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 30, 2011 6:51 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: brake linings
I agree that a lot of pilots ride the brakes. While checking out another
pilot in my 10, I did not notice he was on the brakes until we touched and
then hopped on the nose wheel. I now fly with my feet on the weldments and
deliberately move feet to centers to apply brakes. I will be suggesting that
others who fly my aircraft avoid using the brakes on landing.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings
>
> Today, that's a good deal. I should warn you RV-10 guys....brakes may not
> last you long until you get it in your head not to ride them. My first
> set lasted 150 hours or so, as a guess....I hit 170 and the rivets were
> hitting the rotors. My next set went longer. But, if you fly 100
> hrs/year, you'll want to inspect every spring and fall and you will likely
> replace them every other year. I'm sure many people will do better than
> me, too, but either way, always keep a spare set on hand....you will find
> that it is nice not to scramble to order them when you suddenly need them,
> because they're not convenient to change with wheel fairings. That's why
> I have no air fill ports on the fairings....it provides the necessary
> Motivation to pop off the fairing occasionally and replace or inspect the
> brakes.
> Tim
>
>
> On Mar 30, 2011, at 2:22 AM, Rodger Todd wrote:
>
>>
>> Vans quotes $66 for a set of four plus rivets - that's $16.50 each,
>>
>> Rodger
>>
>> --- On Wed, 30/3/11, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>> From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: brake linings
>>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 5:39
>>> Tim Olson
>>>
>>> I hope the "much better" that Desser is advertising them
>>> for
>>> ends up changing to a real actual "much" better. The
>>> Clevelands I saw for $18.99. Desser wanted $16.99
>>> for
>>> the Rapcos. I think many other types of pads are under
>>> $10 for Rapco's. If they can't do better than
>>> cutting
>>> $2 off, I can't consider it "much". I'd love to
>>> see them for $10 each.
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/29/2011 8:54 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
>>>> Just talked to the Rapco guys here at Sun and Fun, and
>>> they are going to
>>>> go ahead and release them to Desser for sale... prior
>>> to attaining the
>>>> FAA blessing.... probably 2 to 3 weeks, and at a much
>>> better price.
>>>> Don McDonald
>>>> Here at Lakeland in my RV41.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* DLM
>>>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> *Sent:* Tue, March 29, 2011 6:31:55 PM
>>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: brake linings
>>>>
>>>> Anyone found a good source for Rapco RA66-112
>>> (Cleveland equivalent is
>>>> 066-11200)? Spruce does not carry and Vans wants $60 +
>>> for a set of
>>>> Clevelands.
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>
>>> Forum -
>>> FAQ,
>>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>>> List Contribution Web Site -
>>> -Matt
>>> Dralle, List Admin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transition Training LODA |
| From: | "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com> |
The FAA today released a new Advisory Circular that addresses the need for transition training in Experimental AB aircraft, as well as any airplane that is new to a pilot. It can be seen here. http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/advisory_circulars/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1018499
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim setting |
| From: | "JHearnsberger" <jakehearnsberger(at)gmail.com> |
Wow. That was easy. Thanks.
--------
Jake Hearnsberger
RV-10 Empennage
Springhill, LA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335534#335534
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| Subject: | Slanted Right Elevator Trim Tab |
| From: | "JHearnsberger" <jakehearnsberger(at)gmail.com> |
I noticed last night when looking down the back of the tail cone that the trim
tab on the right elevator appears to be slanted upward toward where the vs attaches.
Maybe the photos can better explain.
Jake H.
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Jake Hearnsberger
RV-10 Empennage
Springhill, LA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335539#335539
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| From: | "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com> |
While at Sun n Fun I talked to wxworx about and ipad version. They just came out
with a Mobile link that sends the wxworx receiver data to the ipad via wifi.
They have their own app to show the weather on the ipad, but they also said
they are in talks with ForeFlight and WingX using the weather with their programs.
Any one interested can go to this link to this the info.
https://www.baronservices.com/new
Sun n Fun so far is like Oshkosh -- WET! This weekend may not be that bad but
homebuilt turn out on Tuesday was very light.
Greg...
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Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
www.nwacaptain.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335540#335540
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| Subject: | Re: ipad weather |
| From: | "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com> |
For some reason the link did not come through. Try this:
https://www.baronservices.com/news_pdf/MobileLink.pdf
Greg...
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Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
www.nwacaptain.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335541#335541
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| From: | "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net> |
Looks terrific - very professional!
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - FWF
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335542#335542
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| Subject: | Re: Slanted Right Elevator Trim Tab |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
It's really easy to build a twisted trim tab--I built two of them! It would
probably fly fine but looks silly, so I rebuilt mine with new skins and
spars. After you glue the foam ribs in, it's impossible to straighten (or
at least I couldn't figure it out).
-Rob
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:43 PM, JHearnsberger
wrote:
> jakehearnsberger(at)gmail.com>
>
> I noticed last night when looking down the back of the tail cone that the
> trim tab on the right elevator appears to be slanted upward toward where the
> vs attaches. Maybe the photos can better explain.
>
> Jake H.
>
> --------
> Jake Hearnsberger
> RV-10 Empennage
> Springhill, LA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335539#335539
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0310_217.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0307_155.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0305_169.jpg
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying, Phase 1
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Slanted Right Elevator Trim Tab |
Try to sight straight down the trailing edge, from the side....see if
there is any bowing or fishtailing to the way the edge is. It
looks like their either is some of that, or maybe some bending on
the end, but it's hard to say from those photos. If you had a straight
and true trim tab, it wouldn't likely be doing that. Try to do
all photos or visuals from real consistent centered places though.
All those photos are off center a bit so it's hard to tell what's
an optical illusion and what's real.
None of the parts in the fail feathers are very expensive, so if
you find something that just isn't great and you figure out the
cause, it wouldn't be a big deal to re-build.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 3/30/2011 8:43 PM, JHearnsberger wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "JHearnsberger"
>
> I noticed last night when looking down the back of the tail cone that the trim
tab on the right elevator appears to be slanted upward toward where the vs attaches.
Maybe the photos can better explain.
>
> Jake H.
>
> --------
> Jake Hearnsberger
> RV-10 Empennage
> Springhill, LA
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0310_217.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0307_155.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0305_169.jpg
>
>
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| From: | "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | pedal extensions |
Could someone with the rudder pedal extensions measure the distance they
stick back and possibly sent me offline a better picture or drawing of
them? My pedals are aft mounted and I'm 6' 4", so I may need them, but
at any rate, sounds like a cool project for my new mill!
Thanks
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Re: Slanted Right Elevator Trim Tab |
| From: | "JHearnsberger" <jakehearnsberger(at)gmail.com> |
Looking down the edge of the elevator, it looks straight all the way up to the
trim tab. Then, the whole trim tab appear two slant upward.
To be honest, the trim tabs have always bothered me and I was hoping I could one
day install new ones. I had a very hard time squeezing my hand in and bucking
the rivets and I would up using pop rivets in places. Is it hard to mount
new trim tabs on?
--------
Jake Hearnsberger
RV-10 Empennage
Springhill, LA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335582#335582
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| Subject: | Re: Slanted Right Elevator Trim Tab |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
No, it's easy to do. I ended up doing it about a month before my first
flight, but you could probably even fly it like that for a while until you
feel like rebuilding it.
-Rob
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:46 AM, JHearnsberger
wrote:
> jakehearnsberger(at)gmail.com>
>
> Looking down the edge of the elevator, it looks straight all the way up to
> the trim tab. Then, the whole trim tab appear two slant upward.
>
> To be honest, the trim tabs have always bothered me and I was hoping I
> could one day install new ones. I had a very hard time squeezing my hand in
> and bucking the rivets and I would up using pop rivets in places. Is it
> hard to mount new trim tabs on?
>
> --------
> Jake Hearnsberger
> RV-10 Empennage
> Springhill, LA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335582#335582
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying, Phase 1
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: This could be bad....(storms in S-N-F) |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 03/31/2011 01:11 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
> If you hear anything with good links, I'd love to hear
> that nothing happened to all the airplanes....
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/march/225911/Storm-causes-hangar-to-collapse-at-Sun-N-Fun
<http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/march/225911/Storm-causes-hangar-to-collapse-at-Sun-N-Fun>
-Dj
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Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: This could be bad....(storms in S-N-F) |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/31/florida.weather/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: This could be bad....(storms in S-N-F) |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 03/31/2011 01:11 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> If you hear anything with good links, I'd love to hear
> that nothing happened to all the airplanes....
There is more news on the Sun n Fun Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/SunNFunFlyIn
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | This could be bad....(storms in S-N-F) |
Re: RV10-List: This could be bad....(storms in S-N-F)
MARCH 31, 2011
*Strong Storms Batter Sun 'n
Fun*<http://links.bonniermarinegroup.com/ctt?kn=18&m=4803797&r=NDc4NjIxOTY5OQS2&b=0&j=MTc1MDkzMTk2S0&mt=1&rt=0>
**
[image: SNF damage]<http://links.bonniermarinegroup.com/ctt?kn=18&m=4803797&r=NDc4NjIxOTY5OQS2&b=0&j=MTc1MDkzMTk2S0&mt=1&rt=0>
*Damage to total hundreds of millions of dollars.* *(Photo: Pia Bergqvist)*
The scene at Sun 'n Fun at Lakeland Linder Regional Airport turned to chaos
on Thursday as strong storms hammered the show site, flipping airplanes,
knocking out power to the exhibit halls and collapsing a building, trapping
dozens of people inside. The National Weather Service reported confirmed
tornadoes in the area, and said more than 70 people were trapped inside the
collapsed building at the Sun 'n Fun show site. Even though the first couple
of days of the show were largely storm free, the week continued to be
defined by heavy rain that soaked the grounds the day before the festivities
started and kept thousands of airplanes from arriving in Lakeland. Despite
the slow start to the week, some vendors reported doing good business even
with the smaller crowds. Launch events by Aspen, Piper, Garmin and Cessna
generated a good deal of buzz at the show, and as the week progressed and
the scattered areas of decent weather surfaced, the mood of show goers
seemed decidedly upbeat. But on Thursday morning show goers awoke to heavy
rains and threatening skies before a massive storm cell swept through the
area late in the morning. A tornado warning for the area remained in effect
on Thursday afternoon.
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dj Merrill
*Sent:* Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:06 AM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: This could be bad....(storms in S-N-F)
On 03/31/2011 01:11 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> If you hear anything with good links, I'd love to hear
> that nothing happened to all the airplanes....
There is more news on the Sun n Fun Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/SunNFunFlyIn
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Fwd: Pictures at Sun N Fun |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
Here are some pictures of the mess down here. 3 pictures have our 801 in it
.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Doug Leppard" <doug(at)itecusa.org>
> Date: March 31, 2011 4:48:06 PM EDT
> To: "'Dan Barlow'" , "'Mark Stringer'" , "'Ronbo Lytle'" , "'Jesse'" , "
'Jaime Saint'" , "'Stephen Saint'" , "Be
cky Leppard" , "'Troy Townsend'"
> Subject: Pictures at Sun N Fun
>
> =46rom Facebook
>
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?fbid=10150192388678623&id=1920816886
22&aid=358039#!/album.php?fbid=10150192388678623&id=192081688622&aid=
358039&closeTheater=1
>
>
>
>
>
> Doug Leppard
>
> I-TEC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: This could be bad....(storms in S-N-F) UPDATE from AVWEB |
| From: | "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com> |
Seems like ours made it through OK, need to do a through inspection to know for
sure. Had "Claw" tie downs, they gave a bit but did not give up. If you have
ever been down here you know how sandy the soil is. I can't even count the
number of the thread in dog leash type tie downs that were on aircraft that didn't
do so well. After the first wave of bad weather they said an even bigger
storm was coming, so we bought a second set to help hold it in place. Thankfully
the storm did not materialize.
The wind blew so hard it stripped all of the paint off of our airplane, well at
least that is the excuse we can use for a while for not being painted yet.
My heart goes out to all of those who lost their labor of love to the storm, first
sploshkosh now this...
Jason
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Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Re: This could be bad....(storms in S-N-F) UPDATE from AVWEB |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
www.grassrootsnews.tv has a good video of the storm (including a clip of adam from TruTrak and Alex D). not sure if the earlier email made it to the list.
I dont know of any RV-10's damaged except minor wingtip damage to the van's plane.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
When this thing crashes, will it affect our insurance rates, since it's in
Brazil (or wherever outside the US)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItFluGPKpOQ
-Rob
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying, Phase 1
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| From: | Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.com> |
Why was he flying from the right seat?
________________________________
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 8:59:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Insurance
When this thing crashes, will it affect our insurance rates, since it's in
Brazil (or wherever outside the US)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItFluGPKpOQ
-Rob
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying, Phase 1
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I noticed he couldn't be bothered with the shoulder belt.....
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
Why does he not have shoulder harnesses??
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 1, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> Why was he flying from the right seat?
>
> From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list
> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 8:59:32 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Insurance
>
> When this thing crashes, will it affect our insurance rates, since it's in
Brazil (or wherever outside the US)?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItFluGPKpOQ
>
> -Rob
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying, Phase 1
> http://kochman.net/N819K
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slanted Right Elevator Trim Tab |
| From: | "JHearnsberger" <jakehearnsberger(at)gmail.com> |
Here are a couple more pictures.
Jake
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Jake Hearnsberger
RV-10 Empennage
Springhill, LA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335817#335817
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| Subject: | Re: This could be bad....(storms in S-N-F) UPDATE from AVWEB |
| From: | David Leikam <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com> |
I was there today, I could not get out to the flight line to see the tens. How
many are there?
David Leikam
RV10
Flying
On Mar 31, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> www.grassrootsnews.tv has a good video of the storm (including a clip of adam from TruTrak and Alex D). not sure if the earlier email made it to the list.
>
> I dont know of any RV-10's damaged except minor wingtip damage to the van's plane.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Any -10 builders near Shreveport, LA? |
| From: | "JHearnsberger" <jakehearnsberger(at)gmail.com> |
Are there any RV-10 builders out there close to NW Louisiana? I'm located about
60 miles north of Shreveport, LA.
Jake
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Jake Hearnsberger
RV-10 Empennage
Springhill, LA
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| From: | John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com> |
If you're impatient=2C forward the video to 3:20
I don't think the brazilian piloting was so crazy. This video reminds me of
Luke Skywalker doing his alley run on the deathstar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjTmNJmJXbk
I think there might even be pee on the camera lense at the end of the run.
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| Subject: | Re: Slanted Right Elevator Trim Tab |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
Yeah, they look to have a built in twist. I'd rebuild new ones.
On Apr 1, 2011, at 8:05 PM, "JHearnsberger" wrote:
>
> Here are a couple more pictures.
>
> Jake
>
> --------
> Jake Hearnsberger
> RV-10 Empennage
> Springhill, LA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335817#335817
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Slanted Right Elevator Trim Tab |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
While you are at it, build them yourself with the aluminum wedge in the trailing
edge and they will match the elevators and look much nicer.....
Just a thought.....
-Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 2, 2011, at 12:20 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Yeah, they look to have a built in twist. I'd rebuild new ones.
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 8:05 PM, "JHearnsberger" wrote:
>
>>
>> Here are a couple more pictures.
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> --------
>> Jake Hearnsberger
>> RV-10 Empennage
>> Springhill, LA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335817#335817
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
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| From: | "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | FW: Burt Rutan Retires From Scaled Composites |
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| Subject: | Well, Narco Avionics has folded... |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Like, hate, whatever, this isn't good for the avionics business:
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> http://www.narco-avionics.com/
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Well, Narco Avionics has folded... |
I have two of their products in my 6A...
Altitude encoder - which has a backup in my AFS3400SP.
NAV122D/GPS Nav/GS/LOC receiver which also doubles as a backup CDI.
Interested to see how they handle ongoing support of their existing customer base.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 3, 2011 9:15 AM
>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Well, Narco Avionics has folded...
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| Subject: | ray allen potentiometer flap indicator |
| From: | pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com> |
I am having trouble figuring out where and how to mount the ray allen poten
tiometer flap indicator. Does anybody in the system have a picture or sugge
stion as to where and how to mount this?
Thank you for your help,
pilotdds
Trying not to butcher Stein's work
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| Subject: | Re: ray allen potentiometer flap indicator |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
If you search the archives for my name/email and/or flap stuff, you should f
ind the info for an easy installation. Let me know if you can't find it and
I will resend when I am at home.
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 3, 2011, at 11:27 AM, pilotdds wrote:
> I am having trouble figuring out where and how to mount the ray allen pote
ntiometer flap indicator. Does anybody in the system have a picture or sugge
stion as to where and how to mount this?
> Thank you for your help,
> pilotdds
> Trying not to butcher Stein's work
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| Subject: | Re: This could be bad....(storms in S-N-F) UPDATE from AVWEB |
| From: | "cjay" <cgfinney(at)yahoo.com> |
Was their a tornado and severe weather forecast predicted? Or was it hiding behind
a heavy rain forecast. Just curious if you knew it was coming if you could've
tried to fly out of its path.
cjay
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| Subject: | Re: This could be bad....(storms in S-N-F) UPDATE from AVWEB |
| From: | "Ron B." <cfxoa(at)klis.com> |
I never heard any warnings. It just got real dark and then the rain. I took shelter
from the rain inside one of the four hangars. They closed the doors as the
wind picked up. With the noise from the rain on the metal roof, we did not notice
the extra heavy wind. Garmin had to pickup some of there units as the roof
was leaking.
On Wed. and Thursday I counted two RV-10 in HB and two more in HBC. We made it
as far as Hilton Head, SC with our RV-10 and rented a car to make it to Sun n
Fun. Just over seven hrs from Hilton Head to Nova Scotia and got home at noon
today.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: ray allen potentiometer flap indicator |
| From: | "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net> |
Can't remember who I borrowed this from, but this is the way I did it.
Jim Berry
RV-10
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| From: | "Alan Mekler" <amekler(at)metrocast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ray allen potentiometer flap indicator |
2 points. The movement is non linear because of the hinge. It is great for
indicating flaps up or down but not partial flaps. Also if the POS
overextends it breaks and you will get no reading so be careful how far you
let it extend.
Alan
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 5:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: ray allen potentiometer flap indicator
Can't remember who I borrowed this from, but this is the way I did it.
Jim Berry
RV-10
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| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ray allen potentiometer flap indicator |
Yep, that's mine. Thanks for reposting it... I didn't have the picture handy
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, "Jim Berry" wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Bose X headset for sale |
| From: | "Ron B." <cfxoa(at)klis.com> |
We have one for sale. Just purchased last summer , AC has 75 hrs. I think we are
only replacing one at this time for a 20 with Blue Tooth. This set has the lemo
plug. We will have to purchase the new set to get you the ac side of the plug.
As others, we are asking $500.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: ray allen potentiometer flap indicator |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
I mount mine in the tunnel with a small "L" iron that I epoxied to the flap actuating
tube. Seems to work well there away from moisture. I get almost no reading
on the first 3 degrees of flaps, but works well after that with the flap positioning
system. I would add caution as was mentioned before - DO NOT LET THE
SHAFT HYPER-EXTEND. I did and the replacement is $40.
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See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: Burt Rutan Retires From Scaled Composites |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
I know that Burt Rutan has had some serious health problems in the past 2 year.
I hope that a worry free retirement improves his health and well being and yields
him a long life. He is one awesomely creative individual.
Godspeed Burt Rutan !
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See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: Bose X headset for sale |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
The A20's don't come with the aircraft side jack, so everyone has to purchase them
separately now. Bose or ACS both have them. The actual wire colors differ
between the A20 or X type jacks but they are functionally identical. If you
get an older jack, you just use the older wiring diagram so the black/blue wire
differences are identified properly.
Tim
On Apr 3, 2011, at 4:26 PM, "Ron B." wrote:
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> We have one for sale. Just purchased last summer , AC has 75 hrs. I think we
are only replacing one at this time for a 20 with Blue Tooth. This set has the
lemo plug. We will have to purchase the new set to get you the ac side of the
plug. As others, we are asking $500.
> Ron
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| Subject: | Re: ray allen potentiometer flap indicator |
| From: | pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com> |
Thanks for all the help-the ingenuity of this group never ceases to amaze m
e Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Sent: Sun, Apr 3, 2011 3:27 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: ray allen potentiometer flap indicator
Yep, that's mine. Thanks for reposting it... I didn't have the picture ha
ndy
Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, "Jim Berry" wrote:
Can't remember who I borrowed this from, but this is the way I did it.
Jim Berry
RV-10
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| From: | Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ray allen potentiometer flap indicator |
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| From: | Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ray allen potentiometer flap indicator |
I like Mike's better.
-Scott
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 3, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Michael Kraus wrote:
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> Yep, that's mine. Thanks for reposting it... I didn't have the picture handy
> -Mike Kraus
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> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, "Jim Berry" wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Bose X headset for sale |
| From: | Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> |
I will take it. Do't need the AC side of the plug, I have one. Besides, you will
need it for your 20.
It you decide to sell another one in the future, I will take that too. How do
you want to do the transaction?
If you give me the S/N under the headset pad, I will check the warrant with Bose.
Thanks.
Rob.
On Apr 3, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Ron B. wrote:
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> We have one for sale. Just purchased last summer , AC has 75 hrs. I think we
are only replacing one at this time for a 20 with Blue Tooth. This set has the
lemo plug. We will have to purchase the new set to get you the ac side of the
plug. As others, we are asking $500.
> Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Bose X headset for sale |
| From: | Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the heads up. How do you remember all this? Damn... How old are you?
On Apr 3, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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> The A20's don't come with the aircraft side jack, so everyone has to purchase
them separately now. Bose or ACS both have them. The actual wire colors differ
between the A20 or X type jacks but they are functionally identical. If you
get an older jack, you just use the older wiring diagram so the black/blue
wire differences are identified properly.
> Tim
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> On Apr 3, 2011, at 4:26 PM, "Ron B." wrote:
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>> We have one for sale. Just purchased last summer , AC has 75 hrs. I think we
are only replacing one at this time for a 20 with Blue Tooth. This set has the
lemo plug. We will have to purchase the new set to get you the ac side of the
plug. As others, we are asking $500.
>> Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Bose X headset for sale |
| From: | "Ron B." <cfxoa(at)klis.com> |
We always keep our aircraft at my home grass strip, but due to spring thaw we decided
to stop at the local airport on our way back from Sun n Fun yesterday.
It's 30 minutes away and we will get you the serial # next trip in. Should be
soon. Thanks Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Bose X headset for sale |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
I wouldn't have known but only a month ago I was talking to another builder about
wiring in the jacks and I had just reworked mine with my Bluetooth audio system
and I noticed his wire colors were different. We figured out that I ordered
my jacks when X's were out but he got his recently for his A20's....so I checked
the 2 wiring diagrams and saw the difference was just wire color.
So I didn't have to dig too far back. ;)
Tim
On Apr 4, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
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you?
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> On Apr 3, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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>> The A20's don't come with the aircraft side jack, so everyone has to purchase
them separately now. Bose or ACS both have them. The actual wire colors differ
between the A20 or X type jacks but they are functionally identical. If
you get an older jack, you just use the older wiring diagram so the black/blue
wire differences are identified properly.
>> Tim
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>> On Apr 3, 2011, at 4:26 PM, "Ron B." wrote:
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>>> We have one for sale. Just purchased last summer , AC has 75 hrs. I think we
are only replacing one at this time for a 20 with Blue Tooth. This set has the
lemo plug. We will have to purchase the new set to get you the ac side of the
plug. As others, we are asking $500.
>>> Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Bose X headset for sale |
| From: | "Ron B." <cfxoa(at)klis.com> |
I'm working on the second head set with my RV-10 partners, I'll let you know. We
have 2006 vintage Bose X head sets in our Supercubs (two Supercubs builders
that joined with two other pilots to build an RV-10). I think that I can talk
them into parting with two of the headsets from one the supercubs. These sets
are five years old but have always been kept in a heated hangar and are in great
condition. They don't seem to fancy parting with two new headsets at this time,
at such a loss. Hopefully this explanation makes sense to you.
Thanks Ron
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| Subject: | First Flight Video |
| From: | "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZlBCkQE9fo
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RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight Video |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations Sean. Looks great, especially your high tech turn and
bank indicators on the center post.
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Strasnuts wrote:
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| From: | debra EVERETT <leeverett(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | First Flight Video |
Very cool. Leon Everett
> Date: Mon=2C 4 Apr 2011 22:02:54 -0700
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: First Flight Video
> From: apilot2(at)gmail.com
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
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| From: | Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: First Flight Video |
The dice are actually an antigravity indicator, he stole the idea from Spaceship
One. Sean really covered all the bases. I never considered what I would do if
I encountered a weightless environment.
http://airbum.com/pireps/PirepSS1.html
I flew chase and his flight went off perfectly with no problems. It was really
fun to see it fly.
Congratulations Sean and Hollie.
-Scott
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 4, 2011, at 11:02 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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> Congratulations Sean. Looks great, especially your high tech turn and
> bank indicators on the center post.
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> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Strasnuts wrote:
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| Subject: | RV-10 HQ - OSH10 |
| From: | "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> |
Sun N' Fun 2011 is over. OSH is back to being just 16 weeks away.
(From 51 to just 16 WOW). I am supplying beer again. Who is game!
John Cox
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Phillip Perry
Sent: Mon 8/2/2010 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ - OSH10
I want to throw in my appreciation to those who coordinated the RV-10 HQ
too.
I especially want to thank John Cox for providing local beer. After a
full day of crowds and 100LL, it hit the spot. :)
Most importantly, I think the ladies really enjoyed themselves too. She
also commented how much fun the RV-10 crowd was.
We'll see you all in 51 weeks, if not sooner.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 HQ - OSH10 |
| From: | Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
In!!!!!!
Spotted Cow to the rescue!!
On Apr 5, 2011, at 2:24 PM, "John Cox" wrote:
> Sun N' Fun 2011 is over. OSH is back to being just 16 weeks away. (=46rom
51 to just 16 WOW). I am supplying beer again. Who is game!
>
> John Cox
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Phillip Perry
> Sent: Mon 8/2/2010 5:06 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ - OSH10
>
> I want to throw in my appreciation to those who coordinated the RV-10 HQ t
oo.
>
> I especially want to thank John Cox for providing local beer. After a ful
l day of crowds and 100LL, it hit the spot. :)
>
> Most importantly, I think the ladies really enjoyed themselves too. She a
lso commented how much fun the RV-10 crowd was.
>
> We'll see you all in 51 weeks, if not sooner.
>
> Phil
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 HQ - OSH10 |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net> |
I'm in as well!
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Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336201#336201
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| From: | Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 HQ - OSH10 |
I keep hearing about this Spotted Cow.
Gotta try it this year.
-Scott
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 5, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
> In!!!!!!
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> On Apr 5, 2011, at 2:24 PM, "John Cox" wrote:
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>> Sun N' Fun 2011 is over. OSH is back to being just 16 weeks away. (=46rom
51 to just 16 WOW). I am supplying beer again. Who is game!
>>
>> John Cox
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Phillip Perry
>> Sent: Mon 8/2/2010 5:06 PM
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ - OSH10
>>
>> I want to throw in my appreciation to those who coordinated the RV-10 HQ t
oo.
>>
>> I especially want to thank John Cox for providing local beer. After a fu
ll day of crowds and 100LL, it hit the spot. :)
>>
>> Most importantly, I think the ladies really enjoyed themselves too. She a
lso commented how much fun the RV-10 crowd was.
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>> We'll see you all in 51 weeks, if not sooner.
>>
>> Phil
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| From: | "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 HQ - OSH10 |
Good stuff. My favorite when in Wisconsin
Geoff Combs
President
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:10 PM
Subject: [SPAM?] Re: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ - OSH10
Importance: Low
I keep hearing about this Spotted Cow.
Gotta try it this year.
-Scott
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 5, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
In!!!!!!
Spotted Cow to the rescue!!
On Apr 5, 2011, at 2:24 PM, "John Cox" <
johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> wrote:
Sun N' Fun 2011 is over. OSH is back to being just 16 weeks away. (From 51
to just 16 WOW). I am supplying beer again. Who is game!
John Cox
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From: <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Phillip Perry
Sent: Mon 8/2/2010 5:06 PM
rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ - OSH10
I want to throw in my appreciation to those who coordinated the RV-10 HQ
too.
I especially want to thank John Cox for providing local beer. After a full
day of crowds and 100LL, it hit the spot. :)
Most importantly, I think the ladies really enjoyed themselves too. She
also commented how much fun the RV-10 crowd was.
We'll see you all in 51 weeks, if not sooner.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 HQ - OSH10 |
| From: | "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com> |
Haven't had the spotted cow before as I missed last years event. Plane comes out
of paint early June. As long as my deployment schedule doesn't change AGAIN
I am in.
Eric Kallio
N518RV
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336223#336223
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 HQ - OSH10 |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
Eric,
Has anyone told you about the tradition?
Historically those who have flown in the past year buy for those who are
still building.... It's been that way for years. I assume you're still
planning on keeping with tradition - right?
Phil
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Eric_Kallio wrote:
>
> Haven't had the spotted cow before as I missed last years event. Plane
> comes out of paint early June. As long as my deployment schedule doesn't
> change AGAIN I am in.
>
> Eric Kallio
> N518RV
>
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336223#336223
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | RV-10 HQ - OSH10 |
I'll be there for the first half of the week. Gotta do a forum on building
Pietenpols. Don't know yet whether I'll fly the RV-4 or the Pietenpol.
Round trip from Raleigh to OSH and back is 34 hours of flying in the Piet.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
#40610 Still working (slowly) on the wings
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ - OSH10
I keep hearing about this Spotted Cow.
Gotta try it this year.
-Scott
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 5, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
In!!!!!!
Spotted Cow to the rescue!!
On Apr 5, 2011, at 2:24 PM, "John Cox" <
johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> wrote:
Sun N' Fun 2011 is over. OSH is back to being just 16 weeks away. (From 51
to just 16 WOW). I am supplying beer again. Who is game!
John Cox
_____
From: <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com>
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Phillip Perry
Sent: Mon 8/2/2010 5:06 PM
rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ - OSH10
I want to throw in my appreciation to those who coordinated the RV-10 HQ
too.
I especially want to thank John Cox for providing local beer. After a full
day of crowds and 100LL, it hit the spot. :)
Most importantly, I think the ladies really enjoyed themselves too. She
also commented how much fun the RV-10 crowd was.
We'll see you all in 51 weeks, if not sooner.
Phil
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| From: | "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | RV-10 HQ - OSH10 |
I'll be there all week again. Not sure who will be in tow yet..
Brad and Ashley want to come, but we won't know if Ashley can get leave
until it gets closer. Renee has talked about going if Ashley goes, but
won't know for sure until she hears about her internship this summer.
Janice just came back from a trip with her sister, so I don't think she'll
have enough vacation time to join us this year.
I don't think I'll be flying by then, but it's going to be really close.
Counting down the days!
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ - OSH10
I'll be there for the first half of the week. Gotta do a forum on building
Pietenpols. Don't know yet whether I'll fly the RV-4 or the Pietenpol.
Round trip from Raleigh to OSH and back is 34 hours of flying in the Piet.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
#40610 Still working (slowly) on the wings
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ - OSH10
I keep hearing about this Spotted Cow.
Gotta try it this year.
-Scott
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 5, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
In!!!!!!
Spotted Cow to the rescue!!
On Apr 5, 2011, at 2:24 PM, "John Cox" wrote:
Sun N' Fun 2011 is over. OSH is back to being just 16 weeks away. (From 51
to just 16 WOW). I am supplying beer again. Who is game!
John Cox
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Phillip Perry
Sent: Mon 8/2/2010 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ - OSH10
I want to throw in my appreciation to those who coordinated the RV-10 HQ
too.
I especially want to thank John Cox for providing local beer. After a full
day of crowds and 100LL, it hit the spot. :)
Most importantly, I think the ladies really enjoyed themselves too. She
also commented how much fun the RV-10 crowd was.
We'll see you all in 51 weeks, if not sooner.
Phil
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| From: | David Leikam <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 HQ - OSH10 |
Made right here in New Glarus WI. My personal favorite.
David Leikam
RV10
Flying
On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> I keep hearing about this Spotted Cow.
> Gotta try it this year.
>
> -Scott
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 5, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
>
>> In!!!!!!
>>
>> Spotted Cow to the rescue!!
>>
>>
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>>
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>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 2:24 PM, "John Cox"
wrote:
>>
>>> Sun N' Fun 2011 is over. OSH is back to being just 16 weeks away.
(=46rom 51 to just 16 WOW). I am supplying beer again. Who is game!
>>>
>>> John Cox
>>>
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Phillip
Perry
>>> Sent: Mon 8/2/2010 5:06 PM
>>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ - OSH10
>>>
>>> I want to throw in my appreciation to those who coordinated the
RV-10 HQ too.
>>>
>>> I especially want to thank John Cox for providing local beer. After
a full day of crowds and 100LL, it hit the spot. :)
>>>
>>> Most importantly, I think the ladies really enjoyed themselves too.
She also commented how much fun the RV-10 crowd was.
>>>
>>> We'll see you all in 51 weeks, if not sooner.
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Builders/Flyers Gathering - April 9th (Houston, TX) |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Everyone,
I'm opening this up to a broader audience in case I missed a few folks.
There are 15 RV-10's either flying or being built in the Houston area and
most of the folks don't know each other. So I started this project of
gathering the "Birds of a Feather" so everyone could meet. I'm opening it
up to others who might want to fly-in for lunch. I talked to Don McDonald
and a few others in Texas and I'm hoping they're looking for a good excuse
to fly their RV-10's on that day.
Below is a message I just sent out to the local crowd. If you believe you
can attend, let me know and we'll be watching for you.
More details can be found on this post:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=70339
Phil
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Hi Everyone,
Just and update on the gathering on Saturday. The weather is looking great
with the exception of some wind in the forecast.
I updated the list with the -10 builders who have said they're coming. I'm
hoping we get some other folks flying in so we get a good mix of RV's and
hopefully I don't end up with too much food left over.
On Monday I went and bought some food for ~50 BBQ Baked Potatoes. If you
would like to bring a side dish (chips, breads, etc) that would be nice. I
have five 8' folding tables and 52 chairs so we should be fine in those
areas.
I will be at the airport to setup around 9AM if some of you want to show up
early. A map can be found here:
http://goo.gl/maps/n6Q2
It will be very easy to find us on the field. There's only one way in and
only one large hanger. You can't miss it, so do sweat those details.
I look forward to seeing you there. If you don't have my cell number send m
e
an e-mail and I'll give it to you.
Looking forward to seeing everyone!
Phil
*Name*
*Stage*
*Confirmed?*
Bill Gipson
Flying
Yes
Nick Nafsinger
Flying
Bill Hicks
Flying
Pat Thyssen
Flying
Possibly
Hank Nolin
Finish Kit
Dave Syverton
Finish Kit
Yes
Phil Perry
Finish Kit
Yes
Peter Lammers
Finish Kit
Yes
Don Baker
Wing Kit
Yes
Dave Murphy
Wing Kit
Yes
Charlie Brown
Wing Kit
Shannon Hick
Empennage
Bill Donahoe
Empennage
Tom Biggs
Empennage
Yes
Gaylon Koenning
Empennage
Yes
*Interested builders*
Bradley Kerr
Research
Mark Griffith
Research
Yes
Dave Macdonald
Research
Yes
*From:* Nick Nafsinger [mailto:nicknaf(at)gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:48 AM
*To:* HoustonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
*Cc:* <katie@williams-airport.com>; Chris Lionudakis
*Subject:* Re: [HoustonRVBuilders] Houston RV-10 Builders/Flyers Gathering
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April 9th
Guys,
I would absolutely love to come, however I'm stuck at work Friday - Monday
this month. I swear, one of these years I'll be able to hold weekends
off.
Nick
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 30, 2011, at 10:42 AM, "Perry, Phil" wrote:
Houston RV Builders,
It=92s been awhile since I sent a note on the RV-10 builders meet-and-greet
.
Work has been keeping me busy but now that we=92re within a couple of weeks
and I wanted to remind you of the gathering.
We have 15 RV-10=92s either flying or being built in the Houston area and m
ost
of us don=92t know each other. This is an opportunity to get the group
together for lunch and to make a few friends with a common interstest.
On April 9th I=92m going to be cooking lunch at North Houston Busienss Airp
ort
(9X1 - formerly known as Williams). We can being gathering around 11AM '
but I=92ll be out there much earlier setting up tables and food, etc.
*If you believe you=92re going to attend, please let me know how many. It
=92ll
help me judge how much food I need to buy and prepare*.
Also, if you=92re not a 10 builder or driver, you=92re still welcome to att
end.
If this is successful, we can try and have another one in the fall and
hopefully put together a builders workshop for those interested in the
techniques required to build an RV of any type.
*Date:* April 9th
*Time:* 11AM -> whenever
*Location:* 9X1 ' Formerly Williams
*Rain Date:* April 16th
*Name*
*Stage*
*Tail Number*
Bill Gipson
Flying
N730WL
Nick Nafsinger
Flying
N569JC
Bill Hicks
Flying
N64TX
Pat Thyssen
Flying
N15PT
Hank Nolin
Finish Kit
Dave Syverton
Finish Kit
Phil Perry
Finish Kit
Peter Lammers
Finish Kit
Don Baker
Wing Kit
Dave Murphy
Wing Kit
Charlie Brown
Wing Kit
Shannon Hick
Empennage
Bill Donahoe
Empennage
Tom Biggs
Empennage
Gaylon Koenning
Empennage
*Interested builders*
Bradley Kerr
Research
Mark Griffith
Research
Dave Macdonald
Research
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| From: | Jerry Stark <jerry_stark(at)prodigy.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Builders/Flyers Gathering - April 9th (Houston, TX) |
I live in Round Rock, Tx. I have been monitoring the list, and its predeces
sor, since the rv10 was first announced. I guess I'm a lurker.
I would like to come and meet you all but I have an important engagement on
the 9th.
If you would, keep me in mind for future get together s.
--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Phillip Perry wrote:
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Builders/Flyers Gathering - April 9th (Houston, T
X)
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 9:54 AM
Hi Everyone,
I'm opening this up to a broader audience in case I missed a few folks.
There are 15 RV-10's either flying or being built in the Houston area and m
ost of the folks don't know each other.=C2- So I started this project of
gathering the "Birds of a Feather" so everyone could meet.=C2- I'm openin
g it up to others who might want to fly-in for lunch.=C2- I talked to Don
McDonald and a few others in Texas and I'm hoping they're looking for a go
od excuse to fly their RV-10's on that day.
=0A
Below is a message I just sent out to the local crowd.=C2- If you believe
you can attend, let me know and we'll be watching for you.
More details can be found on this post:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=70339
=0A
Phil
=======
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Everyone,
=0A
=0AJust and update on the gathering on Saturday. The weather is looking gre
at with=0Athe exception of some wind in the forecast.
=0A
=0AI updated the list with the -10 builders who have said they're coming. I
'm=0Ahoping we get some other folks flying in so we get a good mix of RV's
and=0Ahopefully I don't end up with too much food left over.
=0A
=0AOn Monday I went and bought some food for ~50 BBQ Baked Potatoes. If you
would=0Alike to bring a side dish (chips, breads, etc) that would be nice.
I have five=0A8' folding tables and 52 chairs so we should be fine in thos
e areas.
=0A
=0AI will be at the airport to setup around 9AM if some of you want to show
up=0Aearly. A map can be found here:
=0Ahttp://goo.gl/maps/n6Q2
=0A
=0AIt will be very easy to find us on the field. There's only one way in an
d only=0Aone large hanger. You can't miss it, so do sweat those details.
=0A
=0AI look forward to seeing you there. If you don't have my cell number sen
d me an=0Ae-mail and I'll give it to you.
=0A
=0A=0A=0ALooking forward to seeing everyone!
=0APhil=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A Name=0A =0A =0A Stage=0A
=0A =0A Confirmed?=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Bill Gipson=0A =0A =0A=0A Fly
ing=0A =0A =0A=0A Yes=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Nick Nafsinger=0A =0A =0A
=0A Flying=0A =0A =0A=0A =C2-=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Bill Hicks=0A
=0A =0A=0A Flying=0A =0A =0A=0A =C2-=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Pat Thyss
en=0A =0A =0A=0A Flying=0A =0A =0A=0A Possibly=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A
Hank Nolin=0A =0A =0A=0A Finish Kit =0A =0A =0A=0A =C2-=0A =0A =0A
=0A =0A Dave Syverton=0A =0A =0A=0A Finish Kit =0A =0A =0A=0A Yes
=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Phil Perry=0A =0A =0A=0A Finish Kit =0A =0A =0A
=0A Yes=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Peter Lammers=0A =0A =0A=0A Finish Kit
=0A =0A =0A=0A Yes=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Don Baker=0A =0A =0A=0A Wing
Kit=0A =0A =0A=0A Yes=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Dave Murphy=0A =0A =0A=0A
Wing Kit=0A =0A =0A=0A Yes=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Charlie Brown=0A =0A
=0A=0A Wing Kit=0A =0A =0A=0A =C2-=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Shannon Hi
ck=0A =0A =0A=0A Empennage=0A =0A =0A=0A =C2-=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A
Bill Donahoe=0A =0A =0A=0A Empennage=0A =0A =0A=0A =C2-=0A =0A
=0A =0A =0A Tom Biggs=0A =0A =0A=0A Empennage=0A =0A =0A=0A Yes=0A
=0A =0A =0A =0A Gaylon Koenning=0A =0A =0A=0A Empennage=0A =0A =0A
=0A Yes=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =C2-=0A =0A =0A =C2-=0A =0A =0A
=C2-=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Interested builders=0A =0A =0A=0A =C2-=0A
=0A =0A=0A =C2-=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Bradley Kerr=0A =0A =0A=0A R
esearch=0A =0A =0A=0A =C2-=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Mark Griffith=0A =0A
=0A=0A Research=0A =0A =0A=0A Yes=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Dave Macdonal
d=0A =0A =0A=0A Research=0A =0A =0A=0A Yes=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=C2-=0A
=0A=C2-=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: Nick Nafsinger=0A[mailto
:nicknaf(at)gmail.com]
=0ASent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:48 AM
=0ATo: HoustonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
=0ACc: <katie@williams-airport.com>; Chris Lionudakis
=0ASubject: Re: [HoustonRVBuilders] Houston RV-10 Builders/Flyers Gathering
=0A- April 9th=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0AGuys,=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI would absolutely lov
e to come, however I'm stuck at work=0AFriday - Monday this month. =C2- I
swear, one of these years I'll be able to=0Ahold weekends off.=C2-=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ANick
=0A
=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0AOn Mar 30, 2011, at 10:42 AM, "Perry, Phil" wrot
e:=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHouston RV B
uilders,=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0AIt=99s=0Abeen awhile since I sent a note on
the RV-10 builders meet-and-greet.=C2-=0AWork has been keeping me busy b
ut now that we=99re within a couple of weeks and I=0Awanted to remind
you of the gathering.=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0AWe=0Ahave 15 RV-10=99s either
flying or being built in the Houston area and most of us=0Adon=99t k
now each other.=C2- This is an opportunity to get the group together=0Afo
r lunch and to make a few friends with a common interstest.=0A=0A=C2-=0A
=0AOn=0AApril 9th I=99m going to be cooking lunch at North Houston Bu
sienss=0AAirport (9X1 - formerly known as Williams).=C2- We can being gat
hering around=0A11AM =93 but I=99ll=C2- be out there much ear
lier setting up tables and food,=0Aetc.=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0AIf=0Ayou believe y
ou=99re going to attend, please let me know how many.=C2- It
=99ll=0Ahelp me judge how much food I need to buy and prepare.=0A=0A=C2-
=0A=0AAlso,=0Aif you=99re not a 10 builder or driver, you=99re
still welcome to attend.=C2- If=0Athis is successful, we can try and have
another one in the fall and hopefully=0Aput together a builders workshop f
or those interested in the techniques=0Arequired to build an RV of any type
.=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0ADate:=0A=C2-=C2-=C2-=0A=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=0AApril 9th
=0A=0ATime:=0A=C2-=C2-=0A=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=0A11AM -> whenever=0A=0ALocat
ion:=0A=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 9
X1 =93=0AFormerly Williams=0A=0ARain=0ADate:=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- April=0A16th=0A=0A=C2-=0A=0A=0A =0A
=0A Name=0A =0A =0A Stage=0A =0A =0A Tail Number=0A =0A =0A =0A
=0A Bill Gipson=0A =0A =0A Flying=0A =0A =0A N730WL=0A =0A =0A =0A
=0A Nick Nafsinger=0A =0A =0A Flying=0A =0A =0A N569JC=0A =0A =0A
=0A =0A Bill Hicks=0A =0A =0A Flying=0A =0A =0A N64TX=0A =0A =0A
=0A =0A Pat Thyssen=0A =0A =0A Flying=0A =0A =0A N15PT=0A =0A =0A
=0A =0A Hank Nolin=0A =0A =0A Finish Kit =0A =0A =0A =C2-=0A =0A
=0A =0A =0A Dave Syverton=0A =0A =0A Finish Kit =0A =0A =0A =C2-
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=0A Empennage=0A =0A =0A =C2-=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Tom Biggs=0A
=0A =0A Empennage=0A =0A =0A =C2-=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Gaylon Koenn
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 HQ - OSH10 |
| From: | "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com> |
I don't remember the tradition as a builder :) but who am I to argue. I will come
prepared with some of our local brew from the Abita brewery. Just need somewhere
to ice it down when I get there.
Eric
Eric_Kallio wrote:
> Haven't had the spotted cow before as I missed last years event. Plane comes
out of paint early June. As long as my deployment schedule doesn't change AGAIN
I am in.
>
> Eric Kallio
> N518RV
:D :D
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336316#336316
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| Subject: | Re: Bose X headset for sale |
| From: | "Ron B." <cfxoa(at)klis.com> |
Rob
I went to the airport yesterday for the serial # but could not find it. I looked
in the manual when I got back home and it's under the head band. I'll get it
asap.
Ron
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336323#336323
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 HQ - OSH10 |
| From: | "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com> |
I don't remember the tradition as a builder :) but who am I to argue. I will come
prepared with some of our local brew from the Abita brewery. Just need somewhere
to ice it down when I get there.
Eric
Eric_Kallio wrote:
> Haven't had the spotted cow before as I missed last years event. Plane comes
out of paint early June. As long as my deployment schedule doesn't change AGAIN
I am in.
>
> Eric Kallio
> N518RV
:D :D
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336325#336325
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| Subject: | Re: Bose X headset for sale |
| From: | Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> |
No big rush. Reply to my personal email so we don't jam the list. flysrv10 at
gmail.com.
Thanks.
On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Ron B. wrote:
>
> Rob
> I went to the airport yesterday for the serial # but could not find it. I looked
in the manual when I got back home and it's under the head band. I'll get
it asap.
> Ron
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | Larry Rosen <N205EN(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Andair Extension - anyone need a short piece |
I just finished installing my Andair fuel valve. After cutting the
extension I have a piece 2-3/4" long. Anyone want it, before I put it
into the scrap pile.
Larry
#356 and still building
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| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Builders/Flyers Gathering - April 9th (Houston, TX) |
Phil, it happens to be the Sat for our EEA meeting,,,, so most of the guys
=0Aprobably won't make it.=C2- Tom Lewis is still updating his 10 panel..
.. haven't =0Aheard from Dave Moore (building) or Bill Steppling.=C2- We
are keeping an eye on =0Athe weather... at this point it looks doable.... s
o Kim and I will probably see =0Ayou tomorrow.=C2- Anything I should know
about the airspace down there?=0ADon=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________
_________=0AFrom: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matr
onics.com=0ASent: Wed, April 6, 2011 9:54:25 AM=0ASubject: RV10-List: RV-10
Builders/Flyers Gathering - April 9th (Houston, TX)=0A=0AHi Everyone,=0A
=0AI'm opening this up to a broader audience in case I missed a few folks.
=0A=0AThere are 15 RV-10's either flying or being built in the Houston area
and most =0Aof the folks don't know each other.=C2- So I started this pr
oject of gathering the =0A"Birds of a Feather" so everyone could meet.=C2
- I'm opening it up to others who =0Amight want to fly-in for lunch.=C2
- I talked to Don McDonald and a few others in =0ATexas and I'm hoping th
ey're looking for a good excuse to fly their RV-10's on =0Athat day.=0A=0AB
elow is a message I just sent out to the local crowd.=C2- If you believe
you can =0Aattend, let me know and we'll be watching for you.=0A=0AMore det
ails can be found on this post:=0Ahttp://www.vansairforce.com/community/sho
wthread.php?t=70339=0A=0APhil=0A=0A=========0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0AHi Everyone,=0A=0AJust and update on the gathering on Saturday. The w
eather is looking great with =0Athe exception of some wind in the forecast.
=0A=0AI updated the list with the -10 builders who have said they're coming
. I'm =0Ahoping we get some other folks flying in so we get a good mix of R
V's and =0Ahopefully I don't end up with too much food left over.=0A=0AOn M
onday I went and bought some food for ~50 BBQ Baked Potatoes. If you would
=0Alike to bring a side dish (chips, breads, etc) that would be nice. I hav
e five =0A8' folding tables and 52 chairs so we should be fine in those are
as.=0A=0AI will be at the airport to setup around 9AM if some of you want t
o show up =0Aearly. A map can be found here:=0Ahttp://goo.gl/maps/n6Q2=0A
=0AIt will be very easy to find us on the field. There's only one way in an
d only =0Aone large hanger. You can't miss it, so do sweat those details.
=0A=0AI look forward to seeing you there. If you don't have my cell number
send me an =0Ae-mail and I'll give it to you.=0A=0A=0ALooking forward to se
eing everyone!=0APhil=0A=C2-=0AName Stage Confirmed? =0ABill Gipson Flyin
g Yes =0ANick Nafsinger Flying =C2- =0ABill Hicks Flying =C2- =0APat Th
yssen Flying Possibly =0AHank Nolin Finish Kit =C2- =0ADave Syverton Fin
ish Kit Yes =0APhil Perry Finish Kit Yes =0APeter Lammers Finish Kit Yes
=0ADon Baker Wing Kit Yes =0ADave Murphy Wing Kit Yes =0ACharlie Brown Win
g Kit =C2- =0AShannon Hick Empennage =C2- =0ABill Donahoe Empennage =C2
- =0ATom Biggs Empennage Yes =0AGaylon Koenning Empennage Yes =0A=C2-
=C2- =C2- =0AInterested builders =C2- =C2- =0ABradley Kerr Research
=C2- =0AMark Griffith Research Yes =0ADave Macdonald Research Yes =0A=C2
-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0AFrom:Nick Nafsinger [mailto:nicknaf(at)gmail.com] =0AS
ent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:48 AM=0ATo: HoustonRVBuilders@yahoogroups.
com=0ACc: <katie@williams-airport.com>; Chris Lionudakis=0ASubject: Re: [Ho
ustonRVBuilders] Houston RV-10 Builders/Flyers Gathering - April =0A9th=0A
=C2-=0A=C2- =0AGuys,=0A=C2-=0AI would absolutely love to come, howeve
r I'm stuck at work Friday - Monday this =0Amonth. =C2- I swear, one of t
hese years I'll be able to hold weekends off.=C2-=0A=C2-=0ANick=0A=0ASe
nt from my iPhone=0A=0AOn Mar 30, 2011, at 10:42 AM, "Perry, Phil" wrote:=0A=C2- =0A>Houston RV Builders,=0A>=C2-=0A>It
=99s been awhile since I sent a note on the RV-10 builders meet-and-gree
t.=C2- Work =0A>has been keeping me busy but now that we=99re withi
n a couple of weeks and I =0A>wanted to remind you of the gathering.=0A>=C2
-=0A>We have 15 RV-10=99s either flying or being built in the Houst
on area and most of =0A>us don=99t know each other.=C2- This is an
opportunity to get the group together for =0A>lunch and to make a few frien
ds with a common interstest.=0A>=C2-=0A>On April 9th I=99m going to
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>I=99ll=C2- be out there much earlier setting up tables and food, e
tc.=0A>=C2-=0A>If you believe you=99re going to attend, please let
me know how many.=C2- It=99ll help =0A>me judge how much food I nee
d to buy and prepare.=0A>=C2-=0A>Also, if you=99re not a 10 builder
or driver, you=99re still welcome to attend.=C2- If =0A>this is su
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| From: | Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Builders/Flyers Gathering - April 9th (Houston, TX) |
Hey Don, et al.
There's nothing too special about getting into 9X1. Coming from your direct
ion, once you get to the class B veil you can drop to 1500' and you will rem
ain clear of the Bravo all the way in. Over the field the floor of the Brav
o is 2000'. The Class B surface area is south of the field by ~ 2 miles. S
o you want to stay close in to the field and not stray too far south.
I just walked the field and it's firm for parking. We haven't had rain in a
few weeks. I will try and get someone out to help park as the planes arriv
e.
I think you have my cell. Give me a shout if you need anything. Have a safe
flight and I look forward to seeing you.
Phil
On Apr 8, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
> Phil, it happens to be the Sat for our EEA meeting,,,, so most of the guys
probably won't make it. Tom Lewis is still updating his 10 panel.... haven
't heard from Dave Moore (building) or Bill Steppling. We are keeping an ey
e on the weather... at this point it looks doable.... so Kim and I will prob
ably see you tomorrow. Anything I should know about the airspace down there
?
> Don
>
> From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 9:54:25 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Builders/Flyers Gathering - April 9th (Houston, T
X)
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm opening this up to a broader audience in case I missed a few folks.
>
> There are 15 RV-10's either flying or being built in the Houston area and m
ost of the folks don't know each other. So I started this project of gather
ing the "Birds of a Feather" so everyone could meet. I'm opening it up to o
thers who might want to fly-in for lunch. I talked to Don McDonald and a fe
w others in Texas and I'm hoping they're looking for a good excuse to fly th
eir RV-10's on that day.
>
> Below is a message I just sent out to the local crowd. If you believe you
can attend, let me know and we'll be watching for you.
>
> More details can be found on this post:
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=70339
>
> Phil
>
> =======
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Just and update on the gathering on Saturday. The weather is looking great
with the exception of some wind in the forecast.
>
> I updated the list with the -10 builders who have said they're coming. I'm
hoping we get some other folks flying in so we get a good mix of RV's and h
opefully I don't end up with too much food left over.
>
> On Monday I went and bought some food for ~50 BBQ Baked Potatoes. If you w
ould like to bring a side dish (chips, breads, etc) that would be nice. I ha
ve five 8' folding tables and 52 chairs so we should be fine in those areas.
>
> I will be at the airport to setup around 9AM if some of you want to show u
p early. A map can be found here:
> http://goo.gl/maps/n6Q2
>
> It will be very easy to find us on the field. There's only one way in and o
nly one large hanger. You can't miss it, so do sweat those details.
>
> I look forward to seeing you there. If you don't have my cell number send m
e an e-mail and I'll give it to you.
>
>
> Looking forward to seeing everyone!
> Phil
>
>
>
> Name
>
> Stage
>
> Confirmed?
>
> Bill Gipson
>
> Flying
>
> Yes
>
> Nick Nafsinger
>
> Flying
>
>
>
> Bill Hicks
>
> Flying
>
>
>
> Pat Thyssen
>
> Flying
>
> Possibly
>
> Hank Nolin
>
> Finish Kit
>
>
>
> Dave Syverton
>
> Finish Kit
>
> Yes
>
> Phil Perry
>
> Finish Kit
>
> Yes
>
> Peter Lammers
>
> Finish Kit
>
> Yes
>
> Don Baker
>
> Wing Kit
>
> Yes
>
> Dave Murphy
>
> Wing Kit
>
> Yes
>
> Charlie Brown
>
> Wing Kit
>
>
>
> Shannon Hick
>
> Empennage
>
>
>
> Bill Donahoe
>
> Empennage
>
>
>
> Tom Biggs
>
> Empennage
>
> Yes
>
> Gaylon Koenning
>
> Empennage
>
> Yes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Interested builders
>
>
>
>
>
> Bradley Kerr
>
> Research
>
>
>
> Mark Griffith
>
> Research
>
> Yes
>
> Dave Macdonald
>
> Research
>
> Yes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Nick Nafsinger [mailto:nicknaf(at)gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:48 AM
> To: HoustonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
> Cc: <katie@williams-airport.com>; Chris Lionudakis
> Subject: Re: [HoustonRVBuilders] Houston RV-10 Builders/Flyers Gathering -
April 9th
>
>
>
>
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> I would absolutely love to come, however I'm stuck at work Friday - Monday
this month. I swear, one of these years I'll be able to hold weekends off
.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Mar 30, 2011, at 10:42 AM, "Perry, Phil" wrote:
>
>
>
> Houston RV Builders,
>
>
>
> It=99s been awhile since I sent a note on the RV-10 builders meet-an
d-greet. Work has been keeping me busy but now that we=99re within a c
ouple of weeks and I wanted to remind you of the gathering.
>
>
>
> We have 15 RV-10=99s either flying or being built in the Houston are
a and most of us don=99t know each other. This is an opportunity to g
et the group together for lunch and to make a few friends with a common inte
rstest.
>
>
>
> On April 9th I=99m going to be cooking lunch at North Houston Busien
ss Airport (9X1 - formerly known as Williams). We can being gathering aroun
d 11AM =93 but I=99ll be out there much earlier setting up tabl
es and food, etc.
>
>
>
> If you believe you=99re going to attend, please let me know how many
. It=99ll help me judge how much food I need to buy and prepare.
>
>
>
> Also, if you=99re not a 10 builder or driver, you=99re still w
elcome to attend. If this is successful, we can try and have another one in
the fall and hopefully put together a builders workshop for those intereste
d in the techniques required to build an RV of any type.
>
>
>
> Date: April 9th
>
> Time: 11AM -> whenever
>
> Location: 9X1 =93 Formerly Williams
>
> Rain Date: April 16th
>
>
>
> Name
>
> Stage
>
> Tail Number
>
> Bill Gipson
>
> Flying
>
> N730WL
>
> Nick Nafsinger
>
> Flying
>
> N569JC
>
> Bill Hicks
>
> Flying
>
> N64TX
>
> Pat Thyssen
>
> Flying
>
> N15PT
>
> Hank Nolin
>
> Finish Kit
>
>
>
> Dave Syverton
>
> Finish Kit
>
>
>
> Phil Perry
>
> Finish Kit
>
>
>
> Peter Lammers
>
> Finish Kit
>
>
>
> Don Baker
>
> Wing Kit
>
>
>
> Dave Murphy
>
> Wing Kit
>
>
>
> Charlie Brown
>
> Wing Kit
>
>
>
> Shannon Hick
>
> Empennage
>
>
>
> Bill Donahoe
>
> Empennage
>
>
>
> Tom Biggs
>
> Empennage
>
>
>
> Gaylon Koenning
>
> Empennage
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