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dedicated public servant doing a tough job I reiterated that law abiding GA pilots do not enjoy getting stopped by law enforcement based on seemingly bogus information. Tony said they are just trying to "put their eyes on people"--meaning us. I remarked that there has to be a better way of doing that than surrounding a pilot with 6 police cars and ten officers. He said they have tough job catching bad guys. I said that that they need to do a better job screening their intel. It seemed both he and Carlos went back and forth on whether the intel came from internal sources or external ones. At one point he said people were calling their hotline with tips -- so I challenged him as to how someone would know the Mr. McCrae was on Bob's airplane and then called them in Riverside to report it. The story seemed to change to they had strong intel internally. Never an admission that they screwed up. Just more reasons why their intel is solid. Even at one point denying it is their intel-- "it comes from somewhere else-- they are just the middle man." Tony said they are all ex military and are all pilots so I pointed oujt that the fax has numerous errors and the FARs contains no language allowing detention of a pilot for failing to have his medical or logbook on his person (look for that to change as CBP will probably write criminal regulations re: pilots) . The whole time I could hear a beep every ten seconds or so probably indicating I was being recorded. Althoug Tony was pleasant there was no progress on this issue. None. I spoke with my congressman's senior staffer as well. I relayed the details of the issue to her and she seemed sincerely interested. She said it is best to generate a letter from our organizations (we are) and forward that with a personal note to all of our congressmen. She said I should be carefull so that I don't become a target. All for now. Jeff "Bullseye" Edwards ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ross Wendell" <rwendell@hydro-splash.com>
Date: May 02, 2011
Subject: Re: searchable part list
Vans Will email you the listings. Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Jim Combs <jiminlexky(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 20:04:38 GMT+00:00 Subject: RV10-List: searchable part list I am looking for a link to a set of searchable .doc or .pdf parts list for the various rv-10 kits. I can't seem to loacate a document online. A friend of mine has just purchased an emp kit from an estate sale and is doing an inventory. Thanks, Jim Combs N312F - Flying 240 hours (Still needs paint!) Note: Paint it BEFORE you fly it! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 02, 2011
Subject: Re: searchable part list
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Just go to Tim Olson's website. I don't remember if they are in the protected area or not. If so, just register with Tim. Then you can download all of the lists, from the early kits to some of the most recent, that let you see how the kits have evolved. May let you match whatever vintage the serial number kit purchased is. On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Ross Wendell <rwendell@hydro-splash.com>wrote: > Vans Will email you the listings. > > *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless* > > > -----Original message----- > > *From: *Jim Combs <jiminlexky(at)gmail.com>* > To: *rv10-list(at)matronics.com* > Sent: *Sun, May 1, 2011 20:04:38 GMT+00:00* > Subject: *RV10-List: searchable part list > > I am looking for a link to a set of searchable .doc or .pdf parts list for > the various rv-10 kits. I can't seem to loacate a document online. > > A friend of mine has just purchased an emp kit from an estate sale and is > doing an inventory. > > Thanks, Jim Combs > > N312F - Flying 240 hours (Still needs paint!) > > Note: Paint it BEFORE you fly it! > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Ignition wire routing on IO-540 with lightspeed ignition
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: May 02, 2011
Hello builders, I am trying to find my way back into building and plan to finalize the FWF wiring. How did other route the ignition wires from the Lightspeed ignition coils to the spark plugs. I have an TMX-540 with single Lightspeed ignition. It would be great to see some pictures. Many thanks Mike -------- RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338651#338651 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: May 02, 2011
I am interested in the Andair retrofit fuel caps. Did anyone use them and is already flying? Pictures of the installation would be much appreciated. Regards Michael -------- RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338654#338654 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: May 02, 2011
Subject: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps
RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps I LOVE Andair products but I recall a discussion stating that the locking fuel tend to vent out of the lock mechanism and that builders that fill their tanks up nearly all the way experience blue fuel streaks coming off of the fuel cap opening in flight. The best solution seems to be to paint your wings blue. Not 100% sure this was an Andair cap issue or another locking cap. Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Wellenzohn *Sent:* Monday, May 02, 2011 12:32 PM *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps I am interested in the Andair retrofit fuel caps. Did anyone use them and is already flying? Pictures of the installation would be much appreciated. Regards Michael -------- RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338654#338654 ------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ignition wire routing on IO-540 with lightspeed ignition
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: May 02, 2011
Here is what I did. -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2011, at 3:26 PM, "Michael Wellenzohn" wrot e: t> > > Hello builders, > > I am trying to find my way back into building and plan to finalize the FWF wiring. > How did other route the ignition wires from the Lightspeed ignition coils t o the spark plugs. I have an TMX-540 with single Lightspeed ignition. > It would be great to see some pictures. > > Many thanks > Mike > > -------- > RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) > #511 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338651#338651 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >

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From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Ignition wire routing on IO-540 with lightspeed ignition
Date: May 02, 2011
Michael here is what I did same as Tim on the fire wall and then into the Baffling I used silicone grommets. See Pictures Geoff Combs President 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wellenzohn Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: RV10-List: Ignition wire routing on IO-540 with lightspeed ignition Hello builders, I am trying to find my way back into building and plan to finalize the FWF wiring. How did other route the ignition wires from the Lightspeed ignition coils to the spark plugs. I have an TMX-540 with single Lightspeed ignition. It would be great to see some pictures. Many thanks Mike -------- RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338651#338651 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Beware update
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: May 02, 2011
How about giving us a little info on the subject - I haven't a clue on what you're talking about. John -------- #40572 Painted and assembled. Panel almost ready. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338668#338668 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 02, 2011
Subject: travel covers
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
What is everyone using for a travel cover, and do you like it? I know there's the Van's lightweight one, Flightline has one, and I've heard of Bruce's. Will probably also get some cowl inlet plugs as well. Thanks... -Rob -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying, Phase 1 http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 02, 2011
From: George Nolin <gnolin(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Ignition wire routing on IO-540 with lightspeed ignition
Mr. Combs, - Where did you get the great looking round covers for the upper engine mount s.- I've used a lot of RTV and still mine engine mounts are not sealed ve ry well. - G. Hank Nolin, P.E. 832-640-6284 Alias- RV10 Soon. --- On Mon, 5/2/11, Geoff Combs wrote: From: Geoff Combs <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ignition wire routing on IO-540 with lightspeed ign ition Date: Monday, May 2, 2011, 3:14 PM Michael here is what I did same as Tim on the fire wall and then into the Baffling I used silicone grommets. See Pictures Geoff Combs President 614-834-5227p 614-834-5230f www.aerosportmodeling.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wellenzohn Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: RV10-List: Ignition wire routing on IO-540 with lightspeed ignitio n > Hello builders, I am trying to find my way back into building and plan to finalize the FWF wiring. How did other route the ignition wires from the Lightspeed ignition coils t o the spark plugs. I have an TMX-540 with single Lightspeed ignition. It would be great to see some pictures. Many thanks Mike -------- RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338651#338651 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 02, 2011
From: Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: NACA Vent Insect Screens
Could anyone please indicate if the fitting of screens (as per other aircra ft =0Asuch as the EADS Tobago which has a similar vent configuration to the RV-10) to =0Aprevent the entry of insects through the NACA air vents is wa rranted?=0A-=0AI'll be fitting an additional two NACA vents behind the ca bin top to feed ram =0Aair into the overhead console and will have four in total.=0A-=0AWhat are people doing to block their NACA vents when the air craft is parked, =0Aespecially whilst out in the open when away from home b ase?=0A-=0AMany thanks in anticipation for your responses.=0A-=0AKind r egards=0A-=0A-=0APatrick Pulis=0AAdelaide, South Australia=0A#40299 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 02, 2011
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: NACA Vent Insect Screens
Ain't seen no bugs come in yet.... those suckers have trouble making it thr ough =0Athe naca at 170 kts... alive that is.....plus it seems the naca is kind of-in =0Athe airflow of the prop, so they're probably already in lit tle pieces before =0Athey-even get to the naca.-- While on the ground you can always just shut the =0Avent off from the inside.=0ADon McDonald =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Patrick Pulis <rv10fre e2fly(at)yahoo.com.au>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, May 2, 2011 7:57:38 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: NACA Vent Insect Screens=0A=0A=0ACould any one please indicate if the fitting of screens (as per other aircraft =0Asuc h as the EADS Tobago which has a similar vent configuration to the RV-10) t o =0Aprevent the entry of insects through the NACA air vents is warranted? =0A-=0AI'll be fitting an additional two NACA vents behind the cabin top to feed ram =0Aair into the overhead console and will have four in total. =0A-=0AWhat are people doing to block their NACA vents when the aircraft is parked, =0Aespecially whilst out in the open when away from home base? =0A-=0AMany thanks in anticipation for your responses.=0A-=0AKind regar ds=0A-=0A-=0APatrick Pulis=0AAdelaide, South Australia=0A#40299=0A- ============== =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NACA Vent Insect Screens
From: "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com>
Date: May 02, 2011
I have never had a bug fly in the front naca vents on my RV8 or RV10. Don't really know why this is, but flying in rain no water came into the 8 or 10 either. The fuselage covers that Bruce Aircraft Covers provide, cover the front vents when installed. Greg... -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338686#338686 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: travel covers
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: May 02, 2011
Used Bruce's on my RV-4 for years, loved it. Bought one fir my RV-10, but h aven't used it yet. -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > What is everyone using for a travel cover, and do you like it? I know the re's the Van's lightweight one, Flightline has one, and I've heard of Bruce' s. Will probably also get some cowl inlet plugs as well. > > Thanks... > > -Rob > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 Flying, Phase 1 > http://kochman.net/N819K > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps
From: "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com>
Date: May 02, 2011
I have the "blue streak" problem that Robin mentions, with my Newton caps. The fuel siphons out of the key slot right after takeoff, when the tanks are filled to the top. The Newton caps are sold by Van's. The Andair caps look almost identical to the Newton caps. I have not heard if the Andair caps have the same problem, but would like to know. -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338688#338688 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: travel covers
From: "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com>
Date: May 02, 2011
I am using the Flightline Interiors cover and am very happy with it. I got cowl plugs from Van's and they are fine, as well. -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338690#338690 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NACA Vent Insect Screens
From: "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com>
Date: May 02, 2011
I put screens in mine on the advice of my Tech Counselor. Easy to install and they give me some peace of mind when the airplane is parked and a vent is left open. I've never seen any bug carcasses stuck in the screen, so they must not be getting in the NACA vent in flight. :D -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338693#338693 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 02, 2011
From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)yahoo.ca>
Subject: fuel tank countersinks
Hi all - I'm just about to countersink the tank skins to the rear baffle, and can't figure out why we are to leave every 10th hole untouched only to go back la ter and then complete the countersink and rivetting etc.- Sounds like it has something to do with alignment??? - I must be missing something.- Can anyone explain? - Thx,- Rick - #40956 Southampton, Ont - I ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Beware update
From: "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com>
Date: May 02, 2011
johngoodman wrote: > How about giving us a little info on the subject - I haven't a clue on what you're talking about. > John Me too! What is the story here? -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338697#338697 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: Re: NACA Vent Insect Screens
Date: May 02, 2011
David Can you post pics of your screen. Curious how you secure them. John 40864 Wings rear spars -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dmaib(at)me.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 7:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: NACA Vent Insect Screens I put screens in mine on the advice of my Tech Counselor. Easy to install and they give me some peace of mind when the airplane is parked and a vent is left open. I've never seen any bug carcasses stuck in the screen, so they must not be getting in the NACA vent in flight. :D -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338693#338693 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 02, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: travel covers
I've only tried 3. The Bruce's that I've tried were the full thick cover. To me, they're way too big to travel with but they're excellent covers to use if you wanted something for longer term storage. If they make a travel cover I'm not familiar with it. I've tried the Cleaveland one, which was too thin and simple for my taste....it was not much in the line of protection. I own the Flightline one. I like that it's small, light, packs well, and has a dark inside and light outside color. It's amazing that in the hot sun, the inside of the plane is dark and kept cool, and it is thick enough to provide some good sun and other protection, yet thin enough to travel with. She also sells cowl plugs, so you can get those at the same time and save shipping. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD On 5/2/2011 6:54 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > What is everyone using for a travel cover, and do you like it? I know > there's the Van's lightweight one, Flightline has one, and I've heard of > Bruce's. Will probably also get some cowl inlet plugs as well. > Thanks... > -Rob > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 Flying, Phase 1 > http://kochman.net/N819K > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 02, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Beware update
I think it was in the original post I replied to, but here, I'll post it below my signature. It's from the Lancair list. Also, if this post referrs to a fax, see the attached .pdf that has some inaccuracies in it that the CBP are using. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD --------------------------------------- As most of you on the list know we had an incident in April here in St. Louis where one of our own was "stopped" by local police based on a "tip" from Customs and Border Patrol. Here is an update to that story: Bob Rickard (who was the individual stopped) and I have received more emails from other Lancair pilots who have been stopped as well based on "tips" from CBP. So this is not an isolated incident. I contacted AOPA, my congressman's staff, and CBP themselves. AOPA's Craig Spence is presently working this issue on our behalf. He already had ascheduled meeting with CBP on Wednesday, so he brought this subject up. He said that CBP wants to be the new "skycop". He conveyed our concerns to them --targeting GA for poloce searches and the issue of the fax that is sent to police agencies justifying detaining pilots. Mr. Spence told them that the fax has errors on it and agreed to help them correct those. On the issue of tracking GA flights and detaining pilots, Mr. Spence said the CBP is not budging. He believes we need to take this to Congressional leaders --he said we are in for a long battle with CBP. The day after Mr. Spence's meeting I received two phone calls from CBP (so it is true about smelly stuff rolling downhill). The first call was from "Carlos" at CBP HQ. Carlos works in Gen. Mike Kostelnik's office in DC. Kostelnik, a retired AF two star, is the head of the CBP Air and Marine Center. Carlos wanted to know what our concerns were and I repeated that we did not like getting stopped based on bogus information. He wanted to know how I was certain CBP was behind these stops (he implied they had nothing to do with it) and I said it was from information from the local police and the fax AMOC sent to them. (Ah, the truth and evidence is so great) He was pretty agitated during our conversation and said if we were stopped and the police questioned us then we should tell them what they wanted to know. I said I disagreed (Fifth Amendment) . I gave him the specifics of Bobaloos stop two weeks ago and he agreed to look into it. I said that in the best light their intell is either unvetted or their analyis is poor. He disagreed (of course) and gave many other reasons (all bogus) as to why their intel was good. He said it could have been because the aircraft was a prior drug aircraft. I replied that would be pretty difficult since I built it, flew it and then sold it to Col. Rickard. I said that in the worst light --their folks are making up stories to get the local police to stop GA pilots--for the crime of ....flying. Of course he about blew a gasket. I asked him to tell me where CBP got this information about Bob carrying a fugitive. He replied that is a matter of national security and could not tell me. A couple of hours later I receive a phone call from Tony C. at the CBP AMOC in Riverside, CA asking again about my concerns. Again I expressed the same and while he was very polite and cordial and appears to be a dedicated public servant doing a tough job I reiterated that law abiding GA pilots do not enjoy getting stopped by law enforcement based on seemingly bogus information. Tony said they are just trying to "put their eyes on people"--meaning us. I remarked that there has to be a better way of doing that than surrounding a pilot with 6 police cars and ten officers. He said they have tough job catching bad guys. I said that that they need to do a better job screening their intel. It seemed both he and Carlos went back and forth on whether the intel came from internal sources or external ones. At one point he said people were calling their hotline with tips -- so I challenged him as to how someone would know the Mr. McCrae was on Bob's airplane and then called them in Riverside to report it. The story seemed to change to they had strong intel internally. Never an admission that they screwed up. Just more reasons why their intel is solid. Even at one point denying it is their intel-- "it comes from somewhere else-- they are just the middle man." Tony said they are all ex military and are all pilots so I pointed oujt that the fax has numerous errors and the FARs contains no language allowing detention of a pilot for failing to have his medical or logbook on his person (look for that to change as CBP will probably write criminal regulations re: pilots) . The whole time I could hear a beep every ten seconds or so probably indicating I was being recorded. Althoug Tony was pleasant there was no progress on this issue. None. I spoke with my congressman's senior staffer as well. I relayed the details of the issue to her and she seemed sincerely interested. She said it is best to generate a letter from our organizations (we are) and forward that with a personal note to all of our congressmen. She said I should be carefull so that I don't become a target. All for now. Jeff "Bullseye" Edwards On 5/2/2011 9:08 PM, dmaib(at)me.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib(at)me.com" > > > johngoodman wrote: >> How about giving us a little info on the subject - I haven't a clue on what you're talking about. >> John > > > Me too! What is the story here? > > -------- > David Maib > RV-10 #40559 > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: traveling covers, for really traveling
Date: May 02, 2011
I will be towing my 10 quite a distance to have the paint done. The plane will be on top of a flat bed trailer behind my F-250. I have mud flaps on the rear end of the truck and the plane's windscreen will be prett y high up away from the road. Would it be wiser to leave the windscreen and windows coverred in the paint on plexiglass protector solution or do that in addition=2C purchase a cove r like the Bruce's cover and cover it. Without seeing the covers=2C I am co ncerned that it will not fit tight enough and in the wind of 55mph will scr atch the plexiglass while it flaps around. Thoughts?? Thanks=2C John ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2011
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Beware update
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 5:49 PM, johngoodman wrote: > > How about giving us a little info on the subject - I haven't a clue on what you're talking about. > John For those asking, this was the original message. Incident A Lancair pilot was detained at small MO airport after flying there from CA. Request to local police came from CBP. Allegation was some illegal was a passenger...Only pilot and wife were on board. Pilot was AF reserve F22 pilot. On 5/2/2011 10:29 AM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote: > Heres a post from another group that may be of interest to some. It > appears AOPA has been in contact with CBP regarding a new trend. I > find AOPAs (Craig Spence) comments disturbing. > > Bobby Hughes > > N416AS > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:*vtailjeff(at)aol.com > > *To:*lml(at)lancaironline.net > > *Sent:*Sunday, May 01, 2011 10:00 AM > > *Subject:*[LML] Re: Beware update > > > As most of you on the list know we had an incident in April here in St. > Louis where one of our own was "stopped" by local police based on a > "tip" from Customs and Border Patrol. Here is an update to that story: > > Bob Rickard (who was the individual stopped) and I have received more > emails from other Lancair pilots who have been stopped as well based on > "tips" from CBP. So this is not an isolated incident. I contacted AOPA, > my congressman's staff, and CBP themselves. AOPA's Craig Spence is > presently working this issue on our behalf. He already had ascheduled > meeting with CBP on Wednesday, so he brought this subject up. He said > that CBP wants to be the new "skycop". He conveyed our concerns to them > --targeting GA for poloce searches and the issue of the fax that is sent > to police agencies justifying detaining pilots. Mr. Spence told them > that the fax has errors on it and agreed to help them correct those. On > the issue of tracking GA flights and detaining pilots, Mr. Spence said > the CBP is not budging. He believes we need to take this to > Congressional leaders --he said we are in for a long battle with CBP. > > The day after Mr. Spence's meeting I received two phone calls from CBP > (so it is true about smelly stuff rolling downhill). The first call was > from "Carlos" at CBP HQ. Carlos works in Gen. Mike Kostelnik's office in > DC. Kostelnik, a retired AF two star, is the head of the CBP Air and > Marine Center. Carlos wanted to know what our concerns were and I > repeated that we did not like getting stopped based on bogus > information. He wanted to know how I was certain CBP was behind these > stops (he implied they had nothing to do with it) and I said it was from > information from the local police and the fax AMOC sent to them. (Ah, > the truth and evidence is so great) He was pretty agitated during our > conversation and said if we were stopped and the police questioned us > then we should tell them what they wanted to know. I said I disagreed > (Fifth Amendment) . I gave him the specifics of Bobaloos stop two weeks > ago and he agreed to look into it. I said that in the best light their > intell is either unvetted or their analyis is poor. He disagreed (of > course) and gave many other reasons (all bogus) as to why their intel > was good. He said it could have been because the aircraft was a prior > drug aircraft. I replied that would be pretty difficult since I built > it, flew it and then sold it to Col. Rickard. I said that in the worst > light --their folks are making up stories to get the local police to > stop GA pilots--for the crime of ....flying. Of course he about blew a > gasket. I asked him to tell me where CBP got this information about Bob > carrying a fugitive. He replied that is a matter of national security > and could not tell me. > > A couple of hours later I receive a phone call from Tony C. at the CBP > AMOC in Riverside, CA asking again about my concerns. Again I expressed > the same and while he was very polite and cordial and appears to be a > dedicated public servant doing a tough job I reiterated that law abiding > GA pilots do not enjoy getting stopped by law enforcement based on > seemingly bogus information. Tony said they are just trying to "put > their eyes on people"--meaning us. I remarked that there has to be a > better way of doing that than surrounding a pilot with 6 police cars and > ten officers. He said they have tough job catching bad guys. I said that > that they need to do a better job screening their intel. It seemed both > he and Carlos went back and forth on whether the intel came from > internal sources or external ones. At one point he said people were > calling their hotline with tips -- so I challenged him as to how someone > would know the Mr. McCrae was on Bob's airplane and then called them in > Riverside to report it. The story seemed to change to they had strong > intel internally. Never an admission that they screwed up. Just more > reasons why their intel is solid. Even at one point denying it is their > intel-- "it comes from somewhere else-- they are just the middle man." > Tony said they are all ex military and are all pilots so I pointed oujt > that the fax has numerous errors and the FARs contains no language > allowing detention of a pilot for failing to have his medical or logbook > on his person (look for that to change as CBP will probably write > criminal regulations re: pilots) . The whole time I could hear a beep > every ten seconds or so probably indicating I was being recorded. > Althoug Tony was pleasant there was no progress on this issue. None. > > I spoke with my congressman's senior staffer as well. I relayed the > details of the issue to her and she seemed sincerely interested. She > said it is best to generate a letter from our organizations (we are) and > forward that with a personal note to all of our congressmen. She said I > should be carefull so that I don't become a target. > > All for now. > > Jeff "Bullseye" Edwards > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Beware update
Date: May 03, 2011
Has anyone checked whether this is a hoax? Only half of the first 6 points have any basis in fact and are required by FARs. No 337s, no logbook, no escort pass,; I will pass this to my Congress person. This goes back to basics when original license was obtained; we all knew/know what documents are required in the aircraft. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)myrv10.com> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: [LML] Re: Beware update >I think it was in the original post I replied to, but > here, I'll post it below my signature. It's from > the Lancair list. Also, if this post referrs to > a fax, see the attached .pdf that has some inaccuracies > in it that the CBP are using. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > > > --------------------------------------- > > As most of you on the list know we had an incident in April here in St. > Louis where one of our own was "stopped" by local police based on a > "tip" from Customs and Border Patrol. Here is an update to that story: > > Bob Rickard (who was the individual stopped) and I have received more > emails from other Lancair pilots who have been stopped as well based on > "tips" from CBP. So this is not an isolated incident. I contacted AOPA, > my congressman's staff, and CBP themselves. AOPA's Craig Spence is > presently working this issue on our behalf. He already had ascheduled > meeting with CBP on Wednesday, so he brought this subject up. He said > that CBP wants to be the new "skycop". He conveyed our concerns to them > --targeting GA for poloce searches and the issue of the fax that is sent > to police agencies justifying detaining pilots. Mr. Spence told them > that the fax has errors on it and agreed to help them correct those. On > the issue of tracking GA flights and detaining pilots, Mr. Spence said > the CBP is not budging. He believes we need to take this to > Congressional leaders --he said we are in for a long battle with CBP. > > The day after Mr. Spence's meeting I received two phone calls from CBP > (so it is true about smelly stuff rolling downhill). The first call was > from "Carlos" at CBP HQ. Carlos works in Gen. Mike Kostelnik's office in > DC. Kostelnik, a retired AF two star, is the head of the CBP Air and > Marine Center. Carlos wanted to know what our concerns were and I > repeated that we did not like getting stopped based on bogus > information. He wanted to know how I was certain CBP was behind these > stops (he implied they had nothing to do with it) and I said it was from > information from the local police and the fax AMOC sent to them. (Ah, > the truth and evidence is so great) He was pretty agitated during our > conversation and said if we were stopped and the police questioned us > then we should tell them what they wanted to know. I said I disagreed > (Fifth Amendment) . I gave him the specifics of Bobaloos stop two weeks > ago and he agreed to look into it. I said that in the best light their > intell is either unvetted or their analyis is poor. He disagreed (of > course) and gave many other reasons (all bogus) as to why their intel > was good. He said it could have been because the aircraft was a prior > drug aircraft. I replied that would be pretty difficult since I built > it, flew it and then sold it to Col. Rickard. I said that in the worst > light --their folks are making up stories to get the local police to > stop GA pilots--for the crime of ....flying. Of course he about blew a > gasket. I asked him to tell me where CBP got this information about Bob > carrying a fugitive. He replied that is a matter of national security > and could not tell me. > > A couple of hours later I receive a phone call from Tony C. at the CBP > AMOC in Riverside, CA asking again about my concerns. Again I expressed > the same and while he was very polite and cordial and appears to be a > dedicated public servant doing a tough job I reiterated that law abiding > GA pilots do not enjoy getting stopped by law enforcement based on > seemingly bogus information. Tony said they are just trying to "put > their eyes on people"--meaning us. I remarked that there has to be a > better way of doing that than surrounding a pilot with 6 police cars and > ten officers. He said they have tough job catching bad guys. I said > that that they need to do a better job screening their intel. It seemed > both he and Carlos went back and forth on whether the intel came from > internal sources or external ones. At one point he said people were > calling their hotline with tips -- so I challenged him as to how someone > would know the Mr. McCrae was on Bob's airplane and then called them in > Riverside to report it. The story seemed to change to they had strong > intel internally. Never an admission that they screwed up. Just more > reasons why their intel is solid. Even at one point denying it is their > intel-- "it comes from somewhere else-- they are just the middle man." > Tony said they are all ex military and are all pilots so I pointed oujt > that the fax has numerous errors and the FARs contains no language > allowing detention of a pilot for failing to have his medical or > logbook on his person (look for that to change as CBP will probably > write criminal regulations re: pilots) . The whole time I could hear a > beep every ten seconds or so probably indicating I was being recorded. > Althoug Tony was pleasant there was no progress on this issue. None. > > I spoke with my congressman's senior staffer as well. I relayed the > details of the issue to her and she seemed sincerely interested. She > said it is best to generate a letter from our organizations (we are) and > forward that with a personal note to all of our congressmen. She said I > should be carefull so that I don't become a target. > > All for now. > > Jeff "Bullseye" Edwards > > > On 5/2/2011 9:08 PM, dmaib(at)me.com wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib(at)me.com" >> >> >> johngoodman wrote: >>> How about giving us a little info on the subject - I haven't a clue on >>> what you're talking about. >>> John >> >> >> Me too! What is the story here? >> >> -------- >> David Maib >> RV-10 #40559 >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2011
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Beware update
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Point is the memo originated from CBP not FAA. I've seen no indication of a hoax. Just the usual govt agency trying to spread its turf into another agency's arena and knows just enough to be dangerous. One situation does require one specific 337 to be on board, if there is a fuel tank in the cabin that is not factory original. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:18 AM, DLM wrote: > > Has anyone checked whether this is a hoax? Only half of the first 6 points > have any basis in fact and are required by FARs. No 337s, no logbook, no > escort pass,; I will pass this to my Congress person. This goes back to > basics when original license was obtained; we all knew/know what documents > are required in the aircraft. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: fuel tank countersinks
Date: May 03, 2011
From: "George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil>
Rick - The tank skins are barely thick enough to accept the countersink, thus leaving a thin, fragile hole edge that is easily damaged by the clecos used to hold things in place. Leaving a number of holes with their full thickness of metal and using those holes to align and clamp the structure gives the builder a better chance of proper fit-up and final assembly. neal -----Original Message----- From: Rick Lark Hi all I'm just about to countersink the tank skins to the rear baffle, and can't figure out why we are to leave every 10th hole untouched only to go back later and then complete the countersink and rivetting etc. Sounds like it has something to do with alignment??? I must be missing something. Can anyone explain? Thx, Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2011
From: cloudvalley(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Beware update
Hello, Here's another incident in 2009; when interviewed, the pilot mentioned two other cases he knew of in the SOCal area. This is no hoax. http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_DavidPerry_CustomsBorderP atrol_CheckScare_200520-1.html?kw=RelatedStory Anyone want to file IFR? Brian and Ruth Preston ----- Original Message ----- From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 3:18:46 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: [LML] Re: Beware update Has anyone checked whether this is a hoax? Only half of the first 6 points have any basis in fact and are required by FARs. No 337s, no logbook, no escort pass,; I will pass this to my Congress person. This goes back to basics when original license was obtained; we all knew/know what documents are required in the aircraft. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)myrv10.com> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: [LML] Re: Beware update >I think it was in the original post I replied to, but > here, I'll post it below my signature. It's from > the Lancair list. =C2-Also, if this post referrs to > a fax, see the attached .pdf that has some inaccuracies > in it that the CBP are using. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > > > --------------------------------------- > > As most of you on the list know we had an incident in April here in St. > Louis where one of our own was "stopped" by local police based on a > "tip" from Customs and Border Patrol. Here is an update to that story: > > Bob Rickard (who was the individual stopped) and I have received more > emails from other Lancair pilots who have been stopped as well based on > "tips" from CBP. So this is not an isolated incident. I contacted AOPA, > my congressman's staff, and CBP themselves. AOPA's Craig Spence is > presently working this issue on our behalf. He already had ascheduled > meeting with CBP on Wednesday, so he brought this subject up. He said > that CBP wants to be the new "skycop". =C2-He conveyed our concerns to them > --targeting GA for poloce searches and the issue of the fax that is sent > to police agencies justifying detaining pilots. Mr. Spence told them > that the fax has errors on it and agreed to help them correct those. On > the issue of tracking GA flights and detaining pilots, Mr. Spence said > the CBP is not budging. He believes we need to take this to > Congressional leaders --he said we are in for a long battle with CBP. > > The day after Mr. Spence's meeting I received two phone calls from CBP > (so it is true about smelly stuff rolling downhill). The first call was > from "Carlos" at CBP HQ. Carlos works in Gen. Mike Kostelnik's office in > DC. Kostelnik, a retired AF two star, =C2-is the head of the CBP Air an d > Marine Center. Carlos wanted to know what our concerns were and I > repeated that we did not like getting stopped based on bogus > information. He wanted to know how I was certain CBP was behind these > stops (he implied they had nothing to do with it) and I said it was from > information from the local police and the fax AMOC sent to them. (Ah, > the truth and evidence is so great) =C2-He was pretty agitated during o ur > conversation and said if we were stopped and the police questioned us > then we should tell them what they wanted to know. I said I disagreed > (Fifth Amendment) . I gave him the specifics of Bobaloos stop two weeks > ago and he agreed to look into it. =C2-I said that in the best light th eir > intell is either unvetted or their analyis is poor. He disagreed (of > course) and gave many other reasons (all bogus) as to why their intel > was good. He said it could have been because the aircraft was a prior > drug aircraft. I replied that would be pretty difficult since I built > it, flew it and then sold it to Col. Rickard. I said that in the worst > light --their folks are making up stories to get the local police to > stop GA pilots--for the crime of ....flying. Of course he about blew a > gasket. I asked him to =C2-tell me where CBP got this information about Bob > carrying a fugitive. He replied that is a matter of national security > and could not tell me. > > A couple of hours later I receive a phone call from Tony C. at the CBP > AMOC in Riverside, CA asking again about my concerns. Again I expressed > the same and while he was very polite and cordial and appears to be a > dedicated public servant doing a tough job I reiterated that law abiding > GA pilots do not enjoy getting stopped by law enforcement based on > seemingly bogus information. Tony said they are just trying to "put > their eyes on people"--meaning us. I remarked that there has to be a > better way of doing that than surrounding a pilot with 6 police cars and > ten officers. He said they have =C2-tough job catching bad guys. I said > that =C2-that they need to do a better job screening their intel. It se emed > both he and Carlos went back and forth on whether the intel came from > internal sources or external ones. At one point he said people were > calling their hotline with tips -- so I challenged him as to how someone > would know the Mr. McCrae was on Bob's airplane and then called them in > Riverside to report it. The story seemed to change to they had strong > intel internally. Never an admission that they screwed up. Just more > reasons why their intel is solid. Even at one point denying it is their > intel-- "it comes from somewhere else-- they are just the middle man." > Tony said they are all ex military and are all pilots so I pointed oujt > that the fax has numerous errors and the FARs contains no language > allowing detention of =C2-a pilot for failing to have his medical or > logbook on his person (look for that to change as CBP will probably > write criminal regulations re: pilots) . The whole time I could hear a > beep every ten seconds or so probably indicating I was being recorded. > Althoug Tony was pleasant there was no progress on this issue. None. > > I spoke with my congressman's senior staffer as well. I relayed the > details of the issue to her and she seemed sincerely interested. She > said it is best to generate a letter from our organizations (we are) and > forward that with a personal note to all of our congressmen. =C2-She sa id I > should be carefull so that I don't become a target. > > All for now. > > Jeff "Bullseye" Edwards > > > > On 5/2/2011 9:08 PM, dmaib(at)me.com wrote: >> --> =C2-RV10-List message posted by: "dmaib(at)me.com" >> >> >> johngoodman wrote: >>> How about giving us a little info on the subject - I haven't a clue on >>> what you're talking about. >>> John >> >> >> Me too! What is the story here? >> >> -------- >> David Maib >> RV-10 #40559 >> > =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Billy & Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>
Subject: Re: fuel tank countersinks
Date: May 03, 2011
Rick, I know the instructions say to countersink, but I dimpled mine and everything turned out perfectly. Dimpled the skins and the rear baffles. Much faster, more uniform holes, etc....... Just a thought. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:41 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks > > > Rick - > > The tank skins are barely thick enough to accept the countersink, thus > leaving a thin, fragile hole edge that is easily damaged by the clecos > used to hold things in place. Leaving a number of holes with their full > thickness of metal and using those holes to align and clamp the > structure gives the builder a better chance of proper fit-up and final > assembly. > > neal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Lark > > Hi all > > I'm just about to countersink the tank skins to the rear baffle, and > can't figure out why we are to leave every 10th hole untouched only to > go back later and then complete the countersink and rivetting etc. > Sounds like it has something to do with alignment??? > > I must be missing something. Can anyone explain? > > Thx, Rick > > #40956 > Southampton, Ont > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2011
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Beware update
Ok guys, I can't help myself.... to me, almost as bad as the aircraft being =0Astopped in the first place, is the number of cars and officers who were =0Ainvolved!!!!!!!!!- It's not like they were trying to stop a 747.- D oes anyone =0Aask themselves, "what would these 10 officers be doing if the y hadn't pursued =0Athis goose chase"?????- =0A=0AThe same kind of thing happened across from our commercial propt in Calif.... =0Asomeone set a 55 gal drum of water out in a field.- Someone called the EPA or =0Asome othe r govt entity.... we also had 6 vehicles and 8-10 highly paid govt =0Aworke rs out here.... which again makes me wonder what they would have been doing =0Aif not standing around out in this field???- Unfortunately, the answe r is, NOT =0AMUCH.- So this is really all about empire building.- If ju st one stop of a GA =0Aaircraft actually results in a "find" of some sorts, this will justify the =0Aaddition of a whole new department, adding more g ovt jobs and more hassle for =0Athe public citizens.- Honest guys, this i s how it works.- A whole new =0Abureaucracy would be formed.- And maybe again the worst part, once formed, it =0Anever goes away, and just gets bi gger!=0ADon McDonald=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Kelly McMullen =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: T ue, May 3, 2011 6:36:07 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: [LML] Re: Beware updat =0A=0APoint is the memo originated from CBP not FAA. I've seen no indicatio n=0Aof a hoax. Just the usual govt agency trying to spread its turf into=0A another agency's arena and knows just enough to be dangerous. One=0Asituati on does require one specific 337 to be on board, if there is a=0Afuel tank in the cabin that is not factory original.=0A=0AOn Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:18 =0A>=0A> Has anyone checked whether this is a hoax? Only h alf of the first 6 points=0A> have any basis in fact and are required by FA Rs. No 337s, no logbook, no=0A> escort pass,; I will pass this to my Congre ss person. This goes back to=0A> basics when original license was obtained; we all knew/know what documents=0A> are required in the aircraft.=0A=0A> ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2011
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps
I can confirm that the Andair fuel caps leak, when the tanks are full, its last for a few minutes after t. Deems On 5/2/2011 1:05 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > > I LOVE Andair products but I recall a discussion stating that the > locking fuel tend to vent out of the lock mechanism and that builders > that fill their tanks up nearly all the way experience blue fuel > streaks coming off of the fuel cap opening in flight. The best > solution seems to be to paint your wings blue. > > Not 100% sure this was an Andair cap issue or another locking cap. > > Robin > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Michael > Wellenzohn > *Sent:* Monday, May 02, 2011 12:32 PM > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps > > > > > I am interested in the Andair retrofit fuel caps. Did anyone use them > and is already flying? Pictures of the installation would be much > appreciated. > > Regards > Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338654#338654 > as List Un/Subscription, > //www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ======================= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> > Version: 10.0.120 > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2011
Subject: Re: travel covers
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
Thanks, guys... I keep thinking about Dave Saylor's rear windows, so hoping it'll keep the temps down, especially since it's not painted yet. -Rob On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > I've only tried 3. The Bruce's that I've tried were the > full thick cover. To me, they're way too big to travel > with but they're excellent covers to use if you wanted > something for longer term storage. If they make a > travel cover I'm not familiar with it. I've tried > the Cleaveland one, which was too thin and simple for > my taste....it was not much in the line of protection. > I own the Flightline one. I like that it's small, light, > packs well, and has a dark inside and light outside color. > It's amazing that in the hot sun, the inside of the > plane is dark and kept cool, and it is thick enough to > provide some good sun and other protection, yet > thin enough to travel with. She also sells cowl plugs, > so you can get those at the same time and save shipping. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > > > On 5/2/2011 6:54 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > >> What is everyone using for a travel cover, and do you like it? I know >> there's the Van's lightweight one, Flightline has one, and I've heard of >> Bruce's. Will probably also get some cowl inlet plugs as well. >> Thanks... >> -Rob >> >> -- >> Rob Kochman >> RV-10 Flying, Phase 1 >> http://kochman.net/N819K >> >> > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying, Phase 1 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2011
Subject: Re: NACA Vent Insect Screens
From: Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net>
On 05/02/2011 08:57 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > What are people doing to block their NACA vents when the aircraft is > parked, especially whilst out in the open when away from home base? I bought a "Make your own Cowl Plug" kit from Aircraft spruce awhile ago, and used some of the left over yellow foam material to make plugs for the NACA vents: http://deej.net/glastar/cover/IMG_1073.JPG http://deej.net/glastar/cover/IMG_1077.JPG Also, if you are looking for a nice and cheap way to stop bugs from entering your fuel vents, go to the craft section of Walmart and buy a package of bright red or orange "pipe cleaners" (I think they call them "fuzzy sticks" or similar, and are about $2 for a hundred pack). Take one pipe cleaner and cut it in half. Take one of the pieces and fold it in half, then at about the halfway point bend the legs back out flat in opposite directions. You get a shape that is something like this: _/\_ Stick the pointy end up the fuel vent. Keeps bugs out, and the nice thing about this is that if you somehow forget to take them out, air can still pass through into the tank. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Roberts" <swrpilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: I-Pad2 and Bad elf question
Date: May 03, 2011
Tim, I have the LE1600 running Voyager with a lifetime chart data subscription. I bought it on your suggestion as I needed something that was daylight viewable. I like it but it is a bit clunky and slow. I noticed you are now (also?) using an ipad with a Brando anti-glare screen. What software are you using and are you able to leverage you lifetime subscription with Seattle Avionics? My primary interest is approach plates. How is your wife's pilot training coming along? Mine is working on her instrument rating but still needs about 30 hours of cross country. We hope to see you guys at OSH, we will be there all week. Steve Roberts RV-10 tail kit 1966 Mooney M20E 'Ms. Obsession' KMOR Morristown, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: traveling covers, for really traveling
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: May 03, 2011
I would be very careful to use some very heavy duty cardboard and secure it with 3M metallic tape or duct tape. one rock could ruin your day Good luck. -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338811#338811 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "James McGrew" <jsmcgrew(at)alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps
Date: May 03, 2011
Thanks for all the inputs. It appears that all the available locking caps require a 1 3/8" insert to be pro-sealed in to the existing 2" opening. Also, it appears that all the locking caps leak when the tanks are topped off. I was looking at my stock Van's caps yesterday and I think I figured out a simple way to padlock them. It won't be necessarily pretty, but will probably suffice for the rare occasion when I want to have my tanks locked overnight. At $28 each from Van's, I'll just have one set of modified ones in the back of the plane along with my tie downs, chocks, canopy cover, control locks etc. I'll post pictures when I complete the modification. -Jim N312JE From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps I can confirm that the Andair fuel caps leak, when the tanks are full, its last for a few minutes after t. Deems On 5/2/2011 1:05 PM, Robin Marks wrote: I LOVE Andair products but I recall a discussion stating that the locking fuel tend to vent out of the lock mechanism and that builders that fill their tanks up nearly all the way experience blue fuel streaks coming off of the fuel cap opening in flight. The best solution seems to be to paint your wings blue. Not 100% sure this was an Andair cap issue or another locking cap. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wellenzohn Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 12:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps I am interested in the Andair retrofit fuel caps. Did anyone use them and is already flying? Pictures of the installation would be much appreciated. Regards Michael -------- RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338654#338654 as List Un/Subscription, //www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? RV10-List ttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ======================= _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.120 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2011
From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)yahoo.ca>
Subject: fuel tank countersinks
Ahh...I knew there was a simple reason.- Thx Neal - Rick - do not achive --- On Tue, 5/3/11, George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ wrote: From: George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil> Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks Received: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 11:41 AM ge(at)hurlburt.af.mil> Rick - The tank skins are barely thick enough to accept the countersink, thus leaving a thin, fragile hole edge that is easily damaged by the clecos used to hold things in place.- Leaving a number of holes with their full thickness of metal and using those holes to align and clamp the structure gives the builder a better chance of proper fit-up and final assembly. neal- -----Original Message----- From: Rick Lark Hi all I'm just about to countersink the tank skins to the rear baffle, and can't figure out why we are to leave every 10th hole untouched only to go back later and then complete the countersink and rivetting etc. Sounds like it has something to do with alignment??? I must be missing something.- Can anyone explain? Thx,- Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2011
From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: fuel tank countersinks
Bill, I like the way you think.- Dimpling sounds like a great idea, far s tronger.- I can't see any reason to countersink either. I assume you had no trouble getting the rear baffle in place when you had the tank sealant a pplied? - Thx,-- Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont --- On Tue, 5/3/11, Billy & Tami Britton wrote: From: Billy & Tami Britton <william(at)gbta.net> Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks Received: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 12:54 PM Rick, I know the instructions say to countersink, but I dimpled mine and everything turned out perfectly.- Dimpled the skins and the rear baffles. Much faster, more uniform holes, etc....... Just a thought. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:41 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks > > > Rick - > > The tank skins are barely thick enough to accept the countersink, thus > leaving a thin, fragile hole edge that is easily damaged by the clecos > used to hold things in place.- Leaving a number of holes with their ful l > thickness of metal and using those holes to align and clamp the > structure gives the builder a better chance of proper fit-up and final > assembly. > > neal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Lark > > Hi all > > I'm just about to countersink the tank skins to the rear baffle, and > can't figure out why we are to leave every 10th hole untouched only to > go back later and then complete the countersink and rivetting etc. > Sounds like it has something to do with alignment??? > > I must be missing something.- Can anyone explain? > > Thx,- Rick > > #40956 > Southampton, Ont > > > le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps
Date: May 03, 2011
RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel capsOK, so what are you going to do about the sump drains? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: James McGrew<mailto:jsmcgrew(at)alum.mit.edu> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:18 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps Thanks for all the inputs. It appears that all the available locking caps require a 1 3/8" insert to be pro-sealed in to the existing 2" opening. Also, it appears that all the locking caps leak when the tanks are topped off. I was looking at my stock Van's caps yesterday and I think I figured out a simple way to padlock them. It won't be necessarily pretty, but will probably suffice for the rare occasion when I want to have my tanks locked overnight. At $28 each from Van's, I'll just have one set of modified ones in the back of the plane along with my tie downs, chocks, canopy cover, control locks etc. I'll post pictures when I complete the modification. -Jim N312JE From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:08 AM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps I can confirm that the Andair fuel caps leak, when the tanks are full, its last for a few minutes after t. Deems On 5/2/2011 1:05 PM, Robin Marks wrote: I LOVE Andair products but I recall a discussion stating that the locking fuel tend to vent out of the lock mechanism and that builders that fill their tanks up nearly all the way experience blue fuel streaks coming off of the fuel cap opening in flight. The best solution seems to be to paint your wings blue. Not 100% sure this was an Andair cap issue or another locking cap. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wellenzohn Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 12:32 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Re: Retrofit locking fuel caps > I am interested in the Andair retrofit fuel caps. Did anyone use them and is already flying? Pictures of the installation would be much appreciated. Regards Michael -------- RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338654#338654 .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338654#338654> as List Un/Subscription, //www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?RV10-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> ttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ronics.com/> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ======================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/> Version: 10.0.120 sp; - The RV10-List Email Forum utilities such as List Photoshare, and much much --> http://www.matronic=================htt p://forums.matronics.com<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> - List Contribution Web generous nbsp; --> http://www.matronics.com/c <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator ?RV10-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 04, 2011
From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: fuel tank countersinks
Sorry guys/Bill, I meant to say "no reason not to countersink". - Rick --- On Wed, 5/4/11, Rick Lark wrote: From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)yahoo.ca> Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks Received: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 1:04 AM Bill, I like the way you think.- Dimpling sounds like a great idea, far s tronger.- I can't see any reason to countersink either. I assume you had no trouble getting the rear baffle in place when you had the tank sealant a pplied? - Thx,-- Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont --- On Tue, 5/3/11, Billy & Tami Britton wrote: From: Billy & Tami Britton <william(at)gbta.net> Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks Received: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 12:54 PM Rick, I know the instructions say to countersink, but I dimpled mine and everything turned out perfectly.- Dimpled the skins and the rear baffles. Much faster, more uniform holes, etc....... Just a thought. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ" <Neal.George(at)hurlburt.af.mil> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:41 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks > > > Rick - > > The tank skins are barely thick enough to accept the countersink, thus > leaving a thin, fragile hole edge that is easily damaged by the clecos > used to hold things in place.- Leaving a number of holes with their ful l > thickness of metal and using those holes to align and clamp the > structure gives the builder a better chance of proper fit-up and final > assembly. > > neal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Lark > > Hi all > > I'm just about to countersink the tank skins to the rear baffle, and > can't figure out why we are to leave every 10th hole untouched only to > go back later and then complete the countersink and rivetting etc. > Sounds like it has something to do with alignment??? > > I must be missing something.- Can anyone explain? > > Thx,- Rick > > #40956 > St; http://f=- - - - - ---- List Contributionsp; - - - - - - - - - - &bsp;--> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Door Incident
From: "dhsa(at)mac.com" <dhsa(at)mac.com>
Date: May 04, 2011
I had an incident in the Dallas Texas area last week when the pilot door of my RV-10 flew off the aircraft at 3000 feet. I was lucky enough to land at McKinney, Texas without injury. The plane sustained damage to the stabilator, area surrounding the door and rear pilot side window. We believe the door is in a lake and unrecoverable. The NTSB and FAA are investigating. Due to this investigation I will not comment any further as to the cause of the incident until their analysis is complete. I will advise ALL RV-10 owners that the Vans safety latch was installed and did not function as designed. I am out of the Atlanta area and my plane is in McKinney Texas at Aero Country. I am in desperate need of someone with RV experience in the Dallas area to do the repair work. Any suggestions, recommendations or contacts would be appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338944#338944 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NACA Vent Insect Screens
From: "charliewaffles" <mcooper(at)live.com>
Date: May 04, 2011
I wanted a built in but easy to replace bug screen - just in case. So I got some replacement window screen fiberglass mesh from the home depot (http://www.homedepot.com/Doors-Windows-Screens-Tools-Accessories/h_d1/N-5yc1vZarpf/R-100390885/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053) for 6 dollars. I cut out a 5x5 inch square patch and put them on the end of the Naca vent and then slid on the CAT tube which holds the screen in place. It's hard to see from the outside and is very durable. Lookgs good too when you look inside for inspection. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338957#338957 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Billy & Tami Britton" <william(at)gbta.net>
Subject: Re: fuel tank countersinks
Date: May 04, 2011
That is the exact reason Vans told me not to dimple is because of fitting the baffle between the skins/ into position after dimpled. I assure you, it's a non-issue. When dimpled, they still drop right in. Bill From: Rick Lark Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 5:07 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks Sorry guys/Bill, I meant to say "no reason not to countersink". Rick --- On Wed, 5/4/11, Rick Lark wrote: From: Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)yahoo.ca> Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Received: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 1:04 AM Bill, I like the way you think. Dimpling sounds like a great idea, far stronger. I can't see any reason to countersink either. I assume you had no trouble getting the rear baffle in place when you had the tank sealant applied? Thx, Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont --- On Tue, 5/3/11, Billy & Tami Britton wrote: From: Billy & Tami Britton <william(at)gbta.net> Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Received: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 12:54 PM Rick, I know the instructions say to countersink, but I dimpled mine and everything turned out perfectly. Dimpled the skins and the rear baffles. Much faster, more uniform holes, etc....... Just a thought. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ" Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:41 AM To: Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel tank countersinks 505 TRS/DOJ" > > > Rick - > > The tank skins are barely thick enough to accept the countersink, thus > leaving a thin, fragile hole edge that is easily damaged by the clecos > used to hold things in place. Leaving a number of holes with their full > thickness of metal and using those holes to align and clamp the > structure gives the builder a better chance of proper fit-up and final > assembly. > > neal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Lark > > Hi all > > I'm just about to countersink the tank skins to the rear baffle, and > can't figure out why we are to leave every 10th hole untouched only to > go back later and then complete the countersink and rivetting etc. > Sounds like it has something to do with alignment??? > > I must be missing something. Can anyone explain? > > Thx, Rick > > #40956 > St; http://f= - List Contributionsp; &bsp;--> =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door Incident
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk(at)me.com>
Date: May 04, 2011
My door was replaced by Stephan Breier at Fazar fbo at Ft.Worth Mecham. He did a great job. Robert Brunkenhoefer Sent from my Apple iPad On May 4, 2011, at 8:04 PM, "dhsa(at)mac.com" wrote: > > I had an incident in the Dallas Texas area last week when the pilot door of my RV-10 flew off the aircraft at 3000 feet. I was lucky enough to land at McKinney, Texas without injury. The plane sustained damage to the stabilator, area surrounding the door and rear pilot side window. We believe the door is in a lake and unrecoverable. The NTSB and FAA are investigating. Due to this investigation I will not comment any further as to the cause of the incident until their analysis is complete. I will advise ALL RV-10 owners that the Vans safety latch was installed and did not function as designed. > > I am out of the Atlanta area and my plane is in McKinney Texas at Aero Country. I am in desperate need of someone with RV experience in the Dallas area to do the repair work. Any suggestions, recommendations or contacts would be appreciated. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338944#338944 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Door Incident
Date: May 04, 2011
I hate to say this=2C but until the directions in the plans are re written on how far the pins should penetrate into the aluminum fuselage members=2C how the fiberglass return on the cabin top should be so snug that a busines s card can't penetrate between the locked door and the cabin top return=2C pilots will keep losing doors even with the stupid=2C ugly=2C drag inducing latch. Having a big gap with a compressible seal leaves one guessing at to whether the door is actually closed. A block of foam in the center of the door lam inating the two halves in more places would go a long way to preventing the low pressure on the outside of the door during flight from bowing the door . Vans also needs to provide more length to the pins so when installed correc tly they go at least 3/4 to 1 inch into the aluminum fuse door opening. At least there is another door on the opposite side to look at. Just thinking out loud. > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Incident > From: robertbrunk(at)me.com > Date: Wed=2C 4 May 2011 21:36:28 -0500 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > > My door was replaced by Stephan Breier at Fazar fbo at Ft.Worth Mecham. He did a great job. > > > Robert Brunkenhoefer > Sent from my Apple iPad > > On May 4=2C 2011=2C at 8:04 PM=2C "dhsa(at)mac.com" wrote: > > > > > I had an incident in the Dallas Texas area last week when the pilot doo r of my RV-10 flew off the aircraft at 3000 feet. =C2 I was lucky enough to land at McKinney=2C Texas without injury. =C2 The plane sustained damage t o the stabilator=2C area surrounding the door and rear pilot side window. =C2 We believe the door is in a lake and unrecoverable. =C2 The NTSB and FA A are investigating. =C2 Due to this investigation I will not comment any f urther as to the cause of the incident until their analysis is complete. =C2 =C2 I will advise ALL RV-10 owners that the Vans safety latch was insta lled and did not function as designed. > > > > I am out of the Atlanta area and my plane is in McKinney Texas at Aero Country. =C2 I am in desperate need of someone with RV experience in the Da llas area to do the repair work. =C2 Any suggestions=2C recommendations or contacts would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338944#338944 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Door Incident
Date: May 05, 2011
agreed on pin length; I requested longer pins from Vans; insertion varies on how accurately gear box is located in the door. Vans indicated they had only fixed length pins so we made our own from 6061 stock. they were intentionally made excessively long and then gradually cut back until just fitting. Our beveled pins have a full circumference through the door aluminum frame. After looking at various incidents it seems that loosing the door in a pitch up attitude invites the door to go over the airframe, but a level attitude invites a horizontal stabilizer strike. Just wondering whether the tail cone was bent like 416EC. See http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id 071024X01649&key= 1. Also I do not have the pins covered by facade. I "feel" the pins when loaded and before takeoff but did not install any warning or extra latch system.. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gonzalez To: RV 10 group Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:39 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door Incident I hate to say this, but until the directions in the plans are re written on how far the pins should penetrate into the aluminum fuselage members, how the fiberglass return on the cabin top should be so snug that a business card can't penetrate between the locked door and the cabin top return, pilots will keep losing doors even with the stupid, ugly, drag inducing latch. Having a big gap with a compressible seal leaves one guessing at to whether the door is actually closed. A block of foam in the center of the door laminating the two halves in more places would go a long way to preventing the low pressure on the outside of the door during flight from bowing the door. Vans also needs to provide more length to the pins so when installed correctly they go at least 3/4 to 1 inch into the aluminum fuse door opening. At least there is another door on the opposite side to look at. Just thinking out loud. > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Incident > From: robertbrunk(at)me.com > Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 21:36:28 -0500 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > My door was replaced by Stephan Breier at Fazar fbo at Ft.Worth Mecham. He did a great job. > > > Robert Brunkenhoefer > Sent from my Apple iPad > > On May 4, 2011, at 8:04 PM, "dhsa(at)mac.com" wrote: > > > > > I had an incident in the Dallas Texas area last week when the pilot door of my RV-10 flew off the aircraft at 3000 feet. =C2 I was lucky enough to land at McKinney, Texas without injury. =C2 The plane sustained damage to the stabilator, area surrounding the door and rear pilot side window. =C2 We believe the door is in a lake and unrecoverable. =C2 The NTSB and FAA are investigating. =C2 Due to this investigation I will not comment any further as to the cause of the incident until their analysis is complete. =C2 =C2 I will advise ALL RV-10 owners that the Vans safety latch was installed and did not function as designed. > > > > I am out of the Atlanta area and my plane is in McKinney Texas at Aero Country. =C2 I am in desperate need of someone with RV experience in the Dallas area to do the repair work. =C2 Any suggestions, recommendations or contacts would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338944#338944 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door Incident
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: May 05, 2011
One of the easiest and simplest solutions is to have the handle go 180. Anyone with a standard kit can accomplish this. Even if you don't want to buy the middle cam or install Vans solution. If new builders would cut the handle gear racks in half, instead of per vans instructions, it would add considerable pin length. 180 degrees of travel equals TWO inches of pin travel. Now you can still close a 180 degree handle and have one of the aft pins hanging out the door and still have the door come off. The key ingredient is making sure the pins go INTO the guides and through the fuselage structure. Another good reason to have the magnetic or mechanical proximity switches installed. I truly believe the intention of Vans' latch is to make sure the pins go into the guides NOT hold the door in if you forget to rotate the handle all the way. (I'm not insinuating this happened to you) That goes for my solution too. The cam pulls the door in so the pins have to go into the guides. I made mine so it was a one hand operation to open the door, especially in a situation like Ted just had. Anyone installing these doors should make sure they are easy to close and the pin extension goes through the structure. Another situation has been the stock hollow stock pins cutting into the stock plastic guides. I have heard of one incident where the pin lodged into the guide and held the door there until airborne. The relative wind opened the door and it departed the aircraft. Prox. switches would help this scenario as well as solid ended pins. My 2 cents -------- 40936 RV-10 SB N801VR Flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=338994#338994 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door Incident
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: May 05, 2011
+1 for Sean. I have his cam and tips and have no worries for door integrity as it solves several issues. His kit should be supplied stock by Van's. I'm going to visit the factory next week on a PDX RON and tell them that. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339027#339027 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Door Incident
Date: May 05, 2011
Let them know specifically that their anchor does not resolve the issue and the SB 10-14 should be removed and replaced with a working solution (aka Sean's). Thx -----Original Message----- From: woxofswa Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door Incident +1 for Sean. I have his cam and tips and have no worries for door integrity as it solves several issues. His kit should be supplied stock by Van's. I'm going to visit the factory next week on a PDX RON and tell them that. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339027#339027 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Schroth seatbelts
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: May 05, 2011
Hi there, I saw 2009 at Osh an RV-10 (I guess it was Rob Hickmans) with Schroth seatbelts and rotary buckle. Does anyone have information about price, length or other features to be aware of or points to consider when ordering? Regards Michael http://www.schroth.com/download/990071.pdf -------- RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339040#339040 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/schrothgurte_109.pdf ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door Incident
Date: May 05, 2011
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
For many the Vans SB 10-14 is enough. For some of those the phrase so often mentioned by Ken at VANS is "Just Build it". For others who are true manufacturer's and experimenter in the tradition of the EAA. Let's research the possibilities, shout at the moon there must be better ideas and encourage those who have already walked this path to shine the light on the road traveled. I continue to marvel at the talent of this group. There is always a better solution ahead when you view the path laid out by those before us. Don't ever buy the mantra "Just Built It". Know why, know the alternatives...... choose wisely. John #40600 PS and Thanks Tim for documenting so many of those footsteps. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 1:27 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door Incident Let them know specifically that their anchor does not resolve the issue and the SB 10-14 should be removed and replaced with a working solution (aka Sean's). Thx -----Original Message----- From: woxofswa Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door Incident +1 for Sean. I have his cam and tips and have no worries for door integrity as it solves several issues. His kit should be supplied stock by Van's. I'm going to visit the factory next week on a PDX RON and tell them that. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339027#339027 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Door Incident
From: "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: May 05, 2011
I have installed Seans kit and see no way the door could ever come unlatched in flight. The key is proper and significant penetration into the fuse structure. One addition I plan on making is to use a drift pin through the threaded rod ends to assure that they can't unscrew in flight from constant vibration. This is in addition to the locktight on the threads. What I would really like to see is someone re-design the door similar to the Cirrus door with the hinge at the foward edge. Then the door opening in flight is a non-issue just like most other comparative aircraft. This is a poorly designed door from many perspectives. Dealing with it on a windy day is not going to be fun, just hope the wind does not rip it off the hinges. It is just too bad that Vans won't do the research and spend the money to improve some of the deficiences with this model. (Don't get me going on the list!) Bill -------- Bill Peyton Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339067#339067 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Schroth seatbelts
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: May 06, 2011
Michael, The separate release for the shoulder harnesses would be nice, but I'm sure it costs extra. John -------- #40572 Painted and assembled. Panel almost ready. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339103#339103 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RobHickman(at)aol.com
Date: May 06, 2011
Subject: Re: Schroth seatbelts
The shoulder release is standard, you can get them from Karas Engineering. _frank(at)karasengineering.com_ (mailto:frank(at)karasengineering.com) Rob Hickman In a message dated 5/6/2011 6:22:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, johngoodman(at)earthlink.net writes: --> RV10-List message posted by: "johngoodman" have Michael, The separate release for the shoulder harnesses would be nice, but I'm sure it costs extra. John -------- #40572 Painted and assembled. Panel almost ready. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339103#339103 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2011
Subject: Re: Schroth seatbelts
From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
Not an answer to your question but when I was setting up VPN hardware on ou r company aircraft (G550s), I noticed the passenger restraints and really lik e them. I snapped a picture with my Blackberry. I will be installing 3-point restraints in the rear or the RV-10 and have added hardpoints to the cabin top to accomodate. Looking close at the belts I noticed they were Schroth<http://www.schroth.com/aviation/specification.php>and did some initial research. http://nerv10.com/img/SchrothBelt.jpg I really liked the Schroth restraints but never really found a US supplier or how much they cost. Alpha-Aviation<http://www.alphaaviation.com/page8.html>makes a 3 point push-button release restrain for the Mooney that I'm looking at for the rear. http://www.alphaaviation.com/page8.html William - 40237 ----------- On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Michael Wellenzohn wrote: rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> > > Hi there, > > I saw 2009 at Osh an RV-10 (I guess it was Rob Hickmans=B4) with Schroth seatbelts and rotary buckle. > Does anyone have information about price, length or other features to be aware of or points to consider when ordering? > > Regards > Michael > > http://www.schroth.com/download/990071.pdf > > -------- > RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) > #511 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Grimstad" <paul(at)controlapproach.com>
Subject: New alternative powered RV10
Date: May 08, 2011
RV10er's Matt Collier of Fibercraft, Redmond Or. is putting the finishing touches on an awesome RV10. The aircraft has been under wraps during design and development of the new 3.0 liter engine and PSRU, as well as many other new innovative features and details. Matt's many years of experience in the development of experimental and certified aircraft really shine with this project. I am pleased to make the first announcement of Matt's new RV10 and also mention that this aircraft will feature a new custom rudder pedal system that we supplied and full climate control system by Flightline AC. There are many more surprises to be featured on this RV10, watch the youtube video and try to find the door knob? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEEY_sp1Q3I It's going to be a great year at Oshkosh, we look forward to seeing Matt's RV10 and all of you there. Paul Grimstad, controlapproach Rudder pedal control systems & unique aviation products ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Eagerlee" <eagerlee(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Apple Ipad
Date: May 07, 2011
I'm getting close to purchasing an iPad2 for inflight charts and plates. Can I use Foreflight to track my path on the charts using the built in GPS feature without subscribing to either 3G or 4G service? If that won't work I'll get the blue tooth hook up for an external GPS. Paul Hahn ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Apple Ipad
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: May 08, 2011
Yes, if you have a 3G version you do NOT have to activate it to use the GPS. My new iPad 2 Verizon 3G has never been activated and it works fine. I alw ays recommend to ONLY buy 3G versions, even though many people will never ac tivate them. Tim On May 7, 2011, at 7:29 PM, "Eagerlee" wrote: > I'm getting close to purchasing an iPad2 for inflight charts and plates. C an I use Foreflight to track my path on the charts using the built in GPS fe ature without subscribing to either 3G or 4G service? If that won't work I' ll get the blue tooth hook up for an external GPS. > Paul Hahn > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Apple Ipad
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: May 08, 2011
Yes, if you buy the 3G version, the gps will work without the 3G activation. Sent from my iPhone On May 7, 2011, at 8:29 PM, "Eagerlee" wrote: > I'm getting close to purchasing an iPad2 for inflight charts and plates. C an I use Foreflight to track my path on the charts using the built in GPS fe ature without subscribing to either 3G or 4G service? If that won't work I' ll get the blue tooth hook up for an external GPS. > Paul Hahn > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: PLB personal locator beacon
Date: May 08, 2011
I know that all aviators understand PLBs but it sure would save a lot of lives and a lot of search time and money if the nation at large were aware of their unique value. I just read an account of a Canadian woman who was just recovered after weeks in the wilderness along the NV-ID border; her husband who went for help is still missing. There is a Fastfind PLB made by McMurdo which costs between $250-$500. The price when I first purchased was $500 but my last two purchases were the Fastfind 210 for about $250. After receiving your unit, you register the beacon on a federal website; no charge; registration must be renewed in five years. Registration requires phone contacts for when the beacon is activated. When an emergency occurs and cell phones are not an option, activate the beacon. Within a couple of minutes the internal WAAS GPS locates your position and digitally transmits the beacon ID, and exact position to national SAR in MD. The initial data transmission is 406Mh to a geosynchronous satellite over the Pacific or Atlantic which downlinks to MD SAR. They check the phone contacts for info; if no answer or info, local 911 responders go to the coordinates provided. Neither this or cell phones will work from the bottom of a well but this technology is designed to work most anywhere on the planet. I carry one of these in my aircraft for anyone who survives the crash. New passengers are briefed on its location and activation. The Fast 210 is the size of a cigarette pack and can be carried in a pocket if survivors are forced out of the wreckage due to fire or for other reasons need to leave the area. Two of my 4 land vehicles also have a PLB in the glove compartment; cell phones have been known to be INOP in the deserts, mountains, on/over water and other wilderness. I know that some aviators use 406Mh ELTs but even these have their limitations; will they survive the crash? can a survivor extract the ELT and antenna and get away from a burning wreckage? Some use SPOT which requires purchase and an annual fee. I also use APRS for tracking in the aircraft, and three land vehicles; even in aircraft there are places (Minden Valley NV) where even a 10W 2 meter signal (@14000MSL) will not hit a digipeater and dump the track into the internet. KE7TPH http://www.fastfindplb.com/en/index.php http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Fastfind+210&rls=com.microso ft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7ADFA_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid= 13875083625999886646&sa=X&ei=Jz3HTbT0CJD4sAOTyeTrAQ&ved=0CEgQ8wIwAw # ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ADS-B coverage Map and email
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: May 08, 2011
Thanks Tim. I love the disclaimer. Apparently FAA weather (METARs and TAFs) obtained thru an FAA source (ADS-B) cannot be used to satisfy FAA regulatory requirements! I can hear all the conversations with FSS/ Flight Watch now: "Well, we've got the Notam and TAF for our destination, but it doesn't count and we need to hear it from you" (!) -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339281#339281 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ADS-B coverage Map and email
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: May 09, 2011
Nah, the source is the FAA approved source....but I bet they're worried about how up to date your data is, because ground level coverage will be poor, so much of the data wouldn't be available until airborne for many people, and won't be available airborne until you're high enough, in other areas, sometimes as high as 5000-18000ft. That's the problem with ground based weather, and why I feel for the dedicated traveler, satellite based WX is always the better choice. These days though, for every bit of data, everyone is all "CYA" and put disclaimers on everything. Tim On May 8, 2011, at 10:48 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > Thanks Tim. > > I love the disclaimer. Apparently FAA weather (METARs and TAFs) obtained thru an FAA source (ADS-B) cannot be used to satisfy FAA regulatory requirements! > > I can hear all the conversations with FSS/ Flight Watch now: "Well, we've got the Notam and TAF for our destination, but it doesn't count and we need to hear it from you" (!) > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339281#339281 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
Subject: ACK E-04 ELT w/GPS install write-up
I got done with the ELT install. It wasn't 100% snag free, but it's all done and great now. I thought I'd provide plenty of detail for many of you who will be upgrading down the road. http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20110506/index.html -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: "Must Fix" items
This weekend I got a little keyboard time... I thought I'd quick whip up something that other RV-10 builders could use because so many people run into similar situation, but on safety items I'd like to point out the big ones right away. So, I typed up the Top 10 "must fix" items for RV-10 builders. Things that basically (in my opinion) everybody should either address or become deeply familiar with. There are of course others, but I'd like your input to feed my memory. On this particular write-up I'd like to only include safety things....not just "better" things, like better windshields, fairings, and things like that. Those are more "options". These are things that personally I think should be given serious thought to...almost mandatory, to some extent, although some people are well into flying and some things may be less easy for them to want to do. My goal is that new builders would just go directly into doing things to the best level of safety. Provide your input on this thread as you wish and I'll consider adding things. A couple more posts to come... -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: PMA8000BT software upgrade available
As many of you know, I upgraded to the PMA8000BT audio panel last fall. Not too long ago I heard there was a software upgrade for it, and so I quick jumped on it. Now that I've flown it a few times, I thought I'd do a quickie write-up, because it's kind of nice, and for some PMA8000BT owners it's free. Also, I heard that some PMA8000B owners can actually now get an upgrade to BT...something that wasn't even an option back when I wanted to buy this. At any rate, here's the write-up on the latest software rev for the PMA8000BT. http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20110425/index.html It does include a different faceplate. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
Subject: Cowl Pin Fix and Alternator Maintenance
One more write-up for you... Recently I got to the worn-out point on my horizontal cowl pin retainer hinges. It prompted me to change things a bit, and although it's not perfect for me yet, I think it's far nicer than per-plans verbatim. Anyway, there are even better ways to do things but this is real quick and simple if you're stuck having built per-plans as I did. http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20110506/index.html Also, I learned the hard way about how tight to tighten alternator belts, so I now have a new alternator at 725 hours. I added a little write-up on that, showing how to check proper belt tension. I hope that helps others down the road so you don't have the same problem. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2011
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Re: ACK E-04 ELT w/GPS install write-up
One thing that stood out for me is that it seems like a bit of "custom" work to get GPS hooked up and integrated. I am a bit surprised by this. I haven't read the manuals for the E-04 yet so I may be missing something but I assumed for a package of this price that there would be some kind of external connector already on the unit to accomplish this. -Sean #40303 On 5/9/11 3:31 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > I got done with the ELT install. It wasn't 100% snag > free, but it's all done and great now. I thought I'd > provide plenty of detail for many of you who will > be upgrading down the road. > > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20110506/index.html > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ACK E-04 ELT w/GPS install write-up
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: May 09, 2011
It does have an external connector, but in ANY installation, the GPS integration would be custom...so they send you the mating connector so you can hook it to whatever GPS. So i think they did it fine. I can't imagine it being any other way unless it had BUILT IN GPS, which of course would make it adding just a simple antenna....but even then, how long should the cable come? See, it's all "custom" and as usual, a retrofit is more work than if you just put it in on the initial build. I think many certified plane folk would just plug it in to their 430/480/530 and that would be easier other than on the radio config side....but you'd still have to pull the wire and solder on the plug. If they delivered it with 10' of twisted triple, many people would STILL need to extend the cable to their panel. It's the nature of the beast. The only real disappointment is that IMHO they should provide the hard drive jumper with the unit. Of course, on a certified install you'd use the 9600 baud aviation gps and not need a jumper, but I think they should send you one (or two) for custom/experimental installs like mine. Other than wiring the plug and connecting it, there wasn't really any required setup to the GPS....I just included the details of my situation for others who may be in that situation too....my original GPS was even more non standard. So from a GPS standpoint, my work was way harder than the average guy, and the certified folk probably have it even simpler. Tim On May 9, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > One thing that stood out for me is that it seems like a bit of "custom" work to get GPS hooked up and integrated. I am a bit surprised by this. I haven't read the manuals for the E-04 yet so I may be missing something but I assumed for a package of this price that there would be some kind of external connector already on the unit to accomplish this. > > -Sean #40303 > > On 5/9/11 3:31 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >> >> I got done with the ELT install. It wasn't 100% snag >> free, but it's all done and great now. I thought I'd >> provide plenty of detail for many of you who will >> be upgrading down the road. >> >> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20110506/index.html >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2011
Subject: Re: "Must Fix" items
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
I think you meant to include a link: http://myrv10.com/tips/mods/Top_10_MustFixes.html Added to #2 (door latch): I'd strongly recommend a very small gap between the door and the receiver block--like 1/8" or so. This makes it such that to get the front pin in and the rear pin out, the door has to be *really* twisted. Mine is built this way, and it would be really difficult (but not impossible) to improperly latch the door with this setup. -Rob On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > This weekend I got a little keyboard time... > > I thought I'd quick whip up something that other RV-10 > builders could use because so many people run into similar > situation, but on safety items I'd like to point out the > big ones right away. > > So, I typed up the Top 10 "must fix" items for RV-10 builders. > Things that basically (in my opinion) everybody should either > address or become deeply familiar with. > > There are of course others, but I'd like your input to feed > my memory. On this particular write-up I'd like to only > include safety things....not just "better" things, like > better windshields, fairings, and things like that. Those > are more "options". These are things that personally I > think should be given serious thought to...almost mandatory, > to some extent, although some people are well into flying > and some things may be less easy for them to want to do. > My goal is that new builders would just go directly into > doing things to the best level of safety. > > Provide your input on this thread as you wish and I'll > consider adding things. > > A couple more posts to come... > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying, Phase 1 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chuck Weyant" <chuck(at)chuckdirect.com>
Subject: Email name change
Date: May 09, 2011
Please delete cweyant(at)impulse.net Please delete chuck(at)chuckdirect.com Please Add chuckweyant(at)impulse.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "Must Fix" items
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: May 09, 2011
Ooops! Yep, sorry! Tim On May 9, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > I think you meant to include a link: http://myrv10.com/tips/mods/Top_10_Mu stFixes.html > > Added to #2 (door latch): I'd strongly recommend a very small gap between t he door and the receiver block--like 1/8" or so. This makes it such that to get the front pin in and the rear pin out, the door has to be *really* twis ted. Mine is built this way, and it would be really difficult (but not impo ssible) to improperly latch the door with this setup. > > -Rob > > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > This weekend I got a little keyboard time... > > I thought I'd quick whip up something that other RV-10 > builders could use because so many people run into similar > situation, but on safety items I'd like to point out the > big ones right away. > > So, I typed up the Top 10 "must fix" items for RV-10 builders. > Things that basically (in my opinion) everybody should either > address or become deeply familiar with. > > There are of course others, but I'd like your input to feed > my memory. On this particular write-up I'd like to only > include safety things....not just "better" things, like > better windshields, fairings, and things like that. Those > are more "options". These are things that personally I > think should be given serious thought to...almost mandatory, > to some extent, although some people are well into flying > and some things may be less easy for them to want to do. > My goal is that new builders would just go directly into > doing things to the best level of safety. > > Provide your input on this thread as you wish and I'll > consider adding things. > > A couple more posts to come... > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > > > www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > > > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 Flying, Phase 1 > Woodinville, WA > http://kochman.net/N819K > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2011
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Section 39-10 WD-1010 Neutral Position?
In section 39-10 Step 2 where you are setting the correct rod end bearing lengths for the elevator push tubes it states to set the WD-1010 control column and the elevator bellcrank to their neutral positions which allows you to adjust the rod end bearings for the correct length. They tell you in section 11 how to set the bellcrank by the battery to neutral, but they do not mention the appropriate way to determine neutral for the WD-1010 control column? -Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ACK E-04 ELT w/GPS install write-up
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Date: May 09, 2011
Ah, so a new install would just be solder cups on the connector and maybe setting baud rate with regards to the GPS. That makes perfect sense. See? Knew I was missing something. -Sean Sent from my iPhone On May 9, 2011, at 5:40 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > It does have an external connector, but in ANY installation, the GPS integration would be custom...so they send you the mating connector so you can hook it to whatever GPS. So i think they did it fine. I can't imagine it being any other way unless it had BUILT IN GPS, which of course would make it adding just a simple antenna....but even then, how long should the cable come? See, it's all "custom" and as usual, a retrofit is more work than if you just put it in on the initial build. I think many certified plane folk would just plug it in to their 430/480/530 and that would be easier other than on the radio config side....but you'd still have to pull the wire and solder on the plug. If they delivered it with 10' of twisted triple, many people would STILL need to extend the cable to their panel. It's the nature of the beast. > > The only real disappointment is that IMHO they should provide the hard drive jumper with the unit. Of course, on a certified install you'd use the 9600 baud aviation gps and not need a jumper, but I think they should send you one (or two) for custom/experimental installs like mine. > > Other than wiring the plug and connecting it, there wasn't really any required setup to the GPS....I just included the details of my situation for others who may be in that situation too....my original GPS was even more non standard. So from a GPS standpoint, my work was way harder than the average guy, and the certified folk probably have it even simpler. > Tim > > > > > On May 9, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > >> >> One thing that stood out for me is that it seems like a bit of "custom" work to get GPS hooked up and integrated. I am a bit surprised by this. I haven't read the manuals for the E-04 yet so I may be missing something but I assumed for a package of this price that there would be some kind of external connector already on the unit to accomplish this. >> >> -Sean #40303 >> >> On 5/9/11 3:31 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>> >>> I got done with the ELT install. It wasn't 100% snag >>> free, but it's all done and great now. I thought I'd >>> provide plenty of detail for many of you who will >>> be upgrading down the road. >>> >>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20110506/index.html >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Section 39-10 WD-1010 Neutral Position?
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 09, 2011
See step 1. Fabricate the measuring jig. That sets WD-1010 to neutral. Keep it along with your aileron bellcrank jig for future use. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09. Fuselage Sec 46 Eng mount/Gear- 1359 hrs to date. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339373#339373 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ACK E-04 ELT w/GPS install write-up
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
Date: May 09, 2011
Yep, exactly. But, most people won't even have to set baud rate...theirs will automatically be right if they use a panel mount GPS. Tim On May 9, 2011, at 6:38 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > Ah, so a new install would just be solder cups on the connector and maybe setting baud rate with regards to the GPS. That makes perfect sense. See? Knew I was missing something. > > -Sean > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 9, 2011, at 5:40 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > >> >> It does have an external connector, but in ANY installation, the GPS integration would be custom...so they send you the mating connector so you can hook it to whatever GPS. So i think they did it fine. I can't imagine it being any other way unless it had BUILT IN GPS, which of course would make it adding just a simple antenna....but even then, how long should the cable come? See, it's all "custom" and as usual, a retrofit is more work than if you just put it in on the initial build. I think many certified plane folk would just plug it in to their 430/480/530 and that would be easier other than on the radio config side....but you'd still have to pull the wire and solder on the plug. If they delivered it with 10' of twisted triple, many people would STILL need to extend the cable to their panel. It's the nature of the beast. >> >> The only real disappointment is that IMHO they should provide the hard drive jumper with the unit. Of course, on a certified install you'd use the 9600 baud aviation gps and not need a jumper, but I think they should send you one (or two) for custom/experimental installs like mine. >> >> Other than wiring the plug and connecting it, there wasn't really any required setup to the GPS....I just included the details of my situation for others who may be in that situation too....my original GPS was even more non standard. So from a GPS standpoint, my work was way harder than the average guy, and the certified folk probably have it even simpler. >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> On May 9, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: >> >>> >>> One thing that stood out for me is that it seems like a bit of "custom" work to get GPS hooked up and integrated. I am a bit surprised by this. I haven't read the manuals for the E-04 yet so I may be missing something but I assumed for a package of this price that there would be some kind of external connector already on the unit to accomplish this. >>> >>> -Sean #40303 >>> >>> On 5/9/11 3:31 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >>>> >>>> I got done with the ELT install. It wasn't 100% snag >>>> free, but it's all done and great now. I thought I'd >>>> provide plenty of detail for many of you who will >>>> be upgrading down the road. >>>> >>>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20110506/index.html >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2011
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Re: Section 39-10 WD-1010 Neutral Position?
Ok, I think I understand this now. They threw me off in the plans in Step 2 by saying "Check the neutral position of the WD-1010..." Actually, the gauge fabricated in Step 1 determines the neutral position, so not sure why they would state that. -Sean On 5/9/11 3:16 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > In section 39-10 Step 2 where you are setting the correct rod end > bearing lengths for the elevator push tubes it states to set the > WD-1010 control column and the elevator bellcrank to their neutral > positions which allows you to adjust the rod end bearings for the > correct length. > > They tell you in section 11 how to set the bellcrank by the battery to > neutral, but they do not mention the appropriate way to determine > neutral for the WD-1010 control column? > > -Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2011
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Re: Section 39-10 WD-1010 Neutral Position?
Yep. I re-read it and was just confused by the first sentence of Step 2. -Sean On 5/9/11 7:44 PM, rv10flyer wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "rv10flyer" > > See step 1. Fabricate the measuring jig. That sets WD-1010 to neutral. Keep it along with your aileron bellcrank jig for future use. > > -------- > Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 > Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09. > Fuselage Sec 46 Eng mount/Gear- 1359 hrs to date. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339373#339373 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "Must Fix" items
From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
Date: May 10, 2011
Tim, A good list but you should mention Vertical Power on number ten. They have safety trim built in. John -------- #40572 Painted and assembled. Panel almost ready. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339422#339422 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2011
From: Larry Rosen <N205EN(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: "Must Fix" items
Scott S. brought it up a while ago, but the lock nuts for the break assembly holding the Break Torque Plate should be metal lock nuts not the AN365-428. Plans 46-4. The breaks get hot and the nylon lock nuts will loose there locking ability over time. Larry Rosen On 5/9/2011 4:30 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > This weekend I got a little keyboard time... > > I thought I'd quick whip up something that other RV-10 > builders could use because so many people run into similar > situation, but on safety items I'd like to point out the > big ones right away. > > So, I typed up the Top 10 "must fix" items for RV-10 builders. > Things that basically (in my opinion) everybody should either > address or become deeply familiar with. > > There are of course others, but I'd like your input to feed > my memory. On this particular write-up I'd like to only > include safety things....not just "better" things, like > better windshields, fairings, and things like that. Those > are more "options". These are things that personally I > think should be given serious thought to...almost mandatory, > to some extent, although some people are well into flying > and some things may be less easy for them to want to do. > My goal is that new builders would just go directly into > doing things to the best level of safety. > > Provide your input on this thread as you wish and I'll > consider adding things. > > A couple more posts to come... > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2011
Subject: Re: "Must Fix" items
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Or briefly, one should use metal lock nuts to avoid having brakes that break. ;-) On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Larry Rosen wrote: > > Scott S. brought it up a while ago, but the lock nuts for the break assembly > holding the Break Torque Plate should be metal lock nuts not the AN365-428. > Plans 46-4. The breaks get hot and the nylon lock nuts will loose there > locking ability over time. > > Larry Rosen ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: "Must Fix" items
Date: May 10, 2011
Actually you do want breaks that break, What good are breaks that don't break! Gary Specketer -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Must Fix" items Or briefly, one should use metal lock nuts to avoid having brakes that break. ;-) On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Larry Rosen wrote: > > Scott S. brought it up a while ago, but the lock nuts for the break assembly > holding the Break Torque Plate should be metal lock nuts not the AN365-428. > Plans 46-4. The breaks get hot and the nylon lock nuts will loose there > locking ability over time. > > Larry Rosen ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tony Woods" <twoods(at)sesa.af>
Subject: "Must Fix" items
Date: May 11, 2011
*brakes that don't break :-) Tony -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2011 9:43 a.m. Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Must Fix" items Actually you do want breaks that break, What good are breaks that don't break! Gary Specketer -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Must Fix" items Or briefly, one should use metal lock nuts to avoid having brakes that break. ;-) On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Larry Rosen wrote: > > Scott S. brought it up a while ago, but the lock nuts for the break assembly > holding the Break Torque Plate should be metal lock nuts not the AN365-428. > Plans 46-4. The breaks get hot and the nylon lock nuts will loose there > locking ability over time. > > Larry Rosen ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: airworthiness inspection
Date: May 10, 2011
Anyone ever get this type of response from FSDO (see below)? -Chris #40072 (interior) Sir, I was informed that we do not have a budget for this certification. You will need to get with a DAR. If I can be of more help please don't hesitate to call. Thanks, Aviation Safety Inspector FSDO AEA-39 Greensboro NC. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
Date: May 10, 2011
No, but I was told they will come at their convenience which could take months. Ironically, I paid for the DAR to come out (400$) and the FAA came out too for five hours and they inspected together. I guess the DAR's get two inspections from the FAA per year. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 6:23 PM Subject: RV10-List: airworthiness inspection Anyone ever get this type of response from FSDO (see below)? -Chris #40072 (interior) Sir, I was informed that we do not have a budget for this certification. You will need to get with a DAR. If I can be of more help please don't hesitate to call. Thanks, Aviation Safety Inspector FSDO AEA-39 Greensboro NC. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com>
Subject: fuel line routing with Airflow Performance FI
Date: May 10, 2011
Fellow builders I=99m looking for some clear photos of the fuel line routing used to get from the mechanical fuel pump to the fuel controller throttle body when using the Airflow Performance fuel injection system on the IO-540. The black and white photos in their install manual are nearly useless. I=99ve done some basic searching of the usual suspect=99s web sites but haven=99t found what I=99m looking for (both routing and clamp placement ideas). I=99m also interested in the routing of the throttle and mixture cable. At present it appears that the best layout is on the left side of the engine (under cylinders 2-4-6) for both push cables, would appreciate any input folks have regarding this set-up. Thanks for the input! Bob Newman 40176 under the cowling ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: May 10, 2011
My airport is 16 miles from the FSDO. They flat out said they couldn't do it. I even fly with a pilot in the Guard that worked for the FAA full time and even he couldn't get them out there. We are not their target audience. Paint Delta on the side of your plane though, and see how fast they show up. Eric Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339507#339507 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2011
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
Well, if you like to live on the rogue side of the tracks, you could just tell them that if they don't think it is important enough for them to inspect, you agree with them, and will just go fly it. ;-)) Or you could say you were contacting your congressional delegation to find out why inspecting new aircraft doesn't merit their attention, when the highest percentage of accidents come from experimental aircraft. No FAA region likes responding to congressional inquiries. On 5/10/2011 6:46 PM, Eric_Kallio wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric_Kallio" > > My airport is 16 miles from the FSDO. They flat out said they couldn't do it. I even fly with a pilot in the Guard that worked for the FAA full time and even he couldn't get them out there. We are not their target audience. Paint Delta on the side of your plane though, and see how fast they show up. > > Eric ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2011
Subject: Re: "Must Fix" items
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Well, for the picky...brakes that brake well and don't break. Which should break this thread about brakes. On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Tony Woods wrote: > > *brakes that don't break > > :-) > > Tony ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2011
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: fuel line routing with Airflow Performance FI
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Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: May 10, 2011
FAA in Detroit (YIP) drove 46 miles to do the airworthiness inspection last Monday for my RV-10.... But I have been working with them since last Fall. Just like everything else, takes proper planning. Look for my first flight soon.... -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2011, at 9:46 PM, "Eric_Kallio" wrote: > > My airport is 16 miles from the FSDO. They flat out said they couldn't do it. I even fly with a pilot in the Guard that worked for the FAA full time and even he couldn't get them out there. We are not their target audience. Paint Delta on the side of your plane though, and see how fast they show up. > > Eric > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339507#339507 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: I-phones and Bluetooth
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: May 11, 2011
Just thought I would let everyone know if your Bluetooth audio panel or anything else for that matter doesn't sync to your new Iphone it is most likely the software in the unit is outdated. Apparently Apple doesn't have any protocol with the software changes and the effects it has on external devices. We have all experienced this with the charging jacks! My iphone 3GS would not link up to my PS9000 so I tried it in Scott's plane with the new PS8000BT. It worked flawless in Scott's. I called PS Engineering and they stated it is because Apple is the only company that has no protocol for software upgrades. All other blue tooth phones should work great but if you have a new iphone that doesn't, you need to return your audio panel back to PS Engineering for a free update. He said there is a good chance the new Iphone 5's will have the same problem so be advised. -------- 40936 RV-10 SB N801VR Flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339572#339572 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: I-phones and Bluetooth
From: "g.combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Date: May 11, 2011
I had the same issue with my ps 9000 And sent it back 2 weeks ago. Works great as of now with the IPhone Geoff Combs Sent from my iPhone Geoff On May 11, 2011, at 1:14 PM, "Strasnuts" wrote: > > Just thought I would let everyone know if your Bluetooth audio panel or anything else for that matter doesn't sync to your new Iphone it is most likely the software in the unit is outdated. Apparently Apple doesn't have any protocol with the software changes and the effects it has on external devices. We have all experienced this with the charging jacks! My iphone 3GS would not link up to my PS9000 so I tried it in Scott's plane with the new PS8000BT. It worked flawless in Scott's. I called PS Engineering and they stated it is because Apple is the only company that has no protocol for software upgrades. All other blue tooth phones should work great but if you have a new iphone that doesn't, you need to return your audio panel back to PS Engineering for a free update. He said there is a good chance the new Iphone 5's will have the same problem so be advised. > > -------- > 40936 > RV-10 SB N801VR Flying > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339572#339572 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
From: John Ackerman <johnag5b(at)cableone.net>
Date: May 11, 2011
Here's another 2 cents worth. I wanted to have all the experienced eyes I could get look over my 10 before flight. A couple of those sets of eyes were friends who were airworthiness inspectors from the local FSDO. These guys looked at the plane individually, at least once for more than three hours, and one person looked at it at several stages of construction. They did this at no charge, and on their own time. Believe me, it was really appreciated. Even though there was not an awful lot found, I still got really good suggestions and in-depth discussions. We discussed whether to have one of the FAA airworthiness inspectors do the inspection, and decided instead to employ Gary Towner, an uncommonly highly regarded (by everyone I talked to, and that was a least a dozen folks who should know) DAR. That was a really good call. Although the main function of the inspection is to get the paperwork all straight, (what can I say? It's not a perfect world) Gary did an excellent physical inspection of the airplane, and was in no hurry to get it over with. By the way - when one of the FSDO folks wanted his own RV inspected, guess who got the job? Yep, Gary did. The way the system works is that the overall cost of having DARs do the actual inspections and the FSDO guys look over their shoulders occasionally is much less than having the FSDO guys do the actual inspections. It cost me personally four hundred more bucks this way than if the FAA did the inspection "for free", but frankly, it was worth it to me. It also cost the rest of you poor taxpayers a lot less than the direct and overhead costs of employing the additional inspectors that would be required. IIRC, one of us posted that he had both a DAR and an airworthiness inspector from the FAA at his inspection. The function of the FAA guys (as far as airworthiness inspections goes) is to make sure that the DARs do an inspection that meets the FAA's standards. This means they witness inspections being done from time to time.It works the same way with airman certification - the job is almost always done by a Designated Pilot Examiner, sometimes with an FAA Operations Inspector looking over his/her shoulder. Not a bad system at all. John Ackerman On May 10, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: > > FAA in Detroit (YIP) drove 46 miles to do the airworthiness inspection last Monday for my RV-10.... But I have been working with them since last Fall. Just like everything else, takes proper planning. > > Look for my first flight soon.... > -Mike Kraus > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 10, 2011, at 9:46 PM, "Eric_Kallio" wrote: > >> >> My airport is 16 miles from the FSDO. They flat out said they couldn't do it. I even fly with a pilot in the Guard that worked for the FAA full time and even he couldn't get them out there. We are not their target audience. Paint Delta on the side of your plane though, and see how fast they show up. >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339507#339507 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
Date: May 11, 2011
in the interest of full disclosure, I believe that John has a relative working at the FSDO. I have not expected service from the FSDO and am not disappointed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ackerman" <johnag5b(at)cableone.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:48 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: airworthiness inspection > > Here's another 2 cents worth. > > I wanted to have all the experienced eyes I could get look over my 10 > before flight. A couple of those sets of eyes were friends who were > airworthiness inspectors from the local FSDO. These guys looked at the > plane individually, at least once for more than three hours, and one > person looked at it at several stages of construction. They did this at no > charge, and on their own time. Believe me, it was really appreciated. Even > though there was not an awful lot found, I still got really good > suggestions and in-depth discussions. > > We discussed whether to have one of the FAA airworthiness inspectors do > the inspection, and decided instead to employ Gary Towner, an uncommonly > highly regarded (by everyone I talked to, and that was a least a dozen > folks who should know) DAR. That was a really good call. Although the main > function of the inspection is to get the paperwork all straight, (what can > I say? It's not a perfect world) Gary did an excellent physical inspection > of the airplane, and was in no hurry to get it over with. By the way - > when one of the FSDO folks wanted his own RV inspected, guess who got the > job? Yep, Gary did. > > The way the system works is that the overall cost of having DARs do the > actual inspections and the FSDO guys look over their shoulders > occasionally is much less than having the FSDO guys do the actual > inspections. It cost me personally four hundred more bucks this way than > if the FAA did the inspection "for free", but frankly, it was worth it to > me. It also cost the rest of you poor taxpayers a lot less than the direct > and overhead costs of employing the additional inspectors that would be > required. > > IIRC, one of us posted that he had both a DAR and an airworthiness > inspector from the FAA at his inspection. The function of the FAA guys (as > far as airworthiness inspections goes) is to make sure that the DARs do an > inspection that meets the FAA's standards. This means they witness > inspections being done from time to time.It works the same way with airman > certification - the job is almost always done by a Designated Pilot > Examiner, sometimes with an FAA Operations Inspector looking over his/her > shoulder. Not a bad system at all. > > John Ackerman > > > On May 10, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: > >> >> >> FAA in Detroit (YIP) drove 46 miles to do the airworthiness inspection >> last Monday for my RV-10.... But I have been working with them since >> last Fall. Just like everything else, takes proper planning. >> >> Look for my first flight soon.... >> -Mike Kraus >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 10, 2011, at 9:46 PM, "Eric_Kallio" wrote: >> >>> >>> My airport is 16 miles from the FSDO. They flat out said they couldn't >>> do it. I even fly with a pilot in the Guard that worked for the FAA full >>> time and even he couldn't get them out there. We are not their target >>> audience. Paint Delta on the side of your plane though, and see how fast >>> they show up. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339507#339507 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 100LL- the battle has started
Date: May 11, 2011
From: "Bobby J. Hughes" <bhughes(at)qnsi.net>
http://www.avweb.com/avwebbiz/news/California_Suit_Targets_100LL_204631- 1.html Bobby Hughes N416AS ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
From: John Ackerman <johnag5b(at)cableone.net>
Date: May 11, 2011
Dave I don't think "full disclosure" is an issue here, but lest there be any confusion, you are 100% correct. I tried to make it obvious that two of the sets of eyes were those of folks who work at the FSDO although those two were acting strictly as my personal friends and on their own time. The way that I came to know those particular two friends (my relative) is as totally irrelevant as is the way that I came to know you (this list). What is relevant is that after trying very hard to get all the competent review I could, I still found considerable merit in hiring a really good DAR, specifically Gary Towner, to do the inspection. BTW, thanks for being one of the helpful sets of eyes. DLM wrote: > I have not expected service from the FSDO and am not disappointed. For my part, I have not asked for nor have I received any services from the FSDO, and hope I never have to. :-) Out. John Ackerman On May 11, 2011, at 11:30 AM, DLM wrote: > > in the interest of full disclosure, I believe that John has a relative working at the FSDO. I have not expected service from the FSDO and am not disappointed. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ackerman" <johnag5b(at)cableone.net> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:48 AM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: airworthiness inspection > > >> >> Here's another 2 cents worth. >> >> I wanted to have all the experienced eyes I could get look over my 10 before flight. A couple of those sets of eyes were friends who were airworthiness inspectors from the local FSDO. These guys looked at the plane individually, at least once for more than three hours, and one person looked at it at several stages of construction. They did this at no charge, and on their own time. Believe me, it was really appreciated. Even though there was not an awful lot found, I still got really good suggestions and in-depth discussions. >> >> We discussed whether to have one of the FAA airworthiness inspectors do the inspection, and decided instead to employ Gary Towner, an uncommonly highly regarded (by everyone I talked to, and that was a least a dozen folks who should know) DAR. That was a really good call. Although the main function of the inspection is to get the paperwork all straight, (what can I say? It's not a perfect world) Gary did an excellent physical inspection of the airplane, and was in no hurry to get it over with. By the way - when one of the FSDO folks wanted his own RV inspected, guess who got the job? Yep, Gary did. >> >> The way the system works is that the overall cost of having DARs do the actual inspections and the FSDO guys look over their shoulders occasionally is much less than having the FSDO guys do the actual inspections. It cost me personally four hundred more bucks this way than if the FAA did the inspection "for free", but frankly, it was worth it to me. It also cost the rest of you poor taxpayers a lot less than the direct and overhead costs of employing the additional inspectors that would be required. >> >> IIRC, one of us posted that he had both a DAR and an airworthiness inspector from the FAA at his inspection. The function of the FAA guys (as far as airworthiness inspections goes) is to make sure that the DARs do an inspection that meets the FAA's standards. This means they witness inspections being done from time to time.It works the same way with airman certification - the job is almost always done by a Designated Pilot Examiner, sometimes with an FAA Operations Inspector looking over his/her shoulder. Not a bad system at all. >> >> John Ackerman >> >> >> >> On May 10, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: >> >>> >>> FAA in Detroit (YIP) drove 46 miles to do the airworthiness inspection last Monday for my RV-10.... But I have been working with them since last Fall. Just like everything else, takes proper planning. >>> >>> Look for my first flight soon.... >>> -Mike Kraus >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 10, 2011, at 9:46 PM, "Eric_Kallio" wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> My airport is 16 miles from the FSDO. They flat out said they couldn't do it. I even fly with a pilot in the Guard that worked for the FAA full time and even he couldn't get them out there. We are not their target audience. Paint Delta on the side of your plane though, and see how fast they show up. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339507#339507 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
Date: May 11, 2011
I have no problem using the DAR system; the last time I got a free service from the FAA was when they provided CFI/II rides in 1970s. Many reviews make the first flight unremarkable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ackerman" <johnag5b(at)cableone.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:19 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: airworthiness inspection > > Dave I don't think "full disclosure" is an issue here, but lest there be > any confusion, you are 100% correct. I tried to make it obvious that two > of the sets of eyes were those of folks who work at the FSDO although > those two were acting strictly as my personal friends and on their own > time. > The way that I came to know those particular two friends (my relative) is > as totally irrelevant as is the way that I came to know you (this list). > What is relevant is that after trying very hard to get all the competent > review I could, I still found considerable merit in hiring a really good > DAR, specifically Gary Towner, to do the inspection. BTW, thanks for being > one of the helpful sets of eyes. > > DLM wrote: >> I have not expected service from the FSDO and am not disappointed. > > For my part, I have not asked for nor have I received any services from > the FSDO, and hope I never have to. :-) Out. > > John Ackerman > > > On May 11, 2011, at 11:30 AM, DLM wrote: > >> >> in the interest of full disclosure, I believe that John has a relative >> working at the FSDO. I have not expected service from the FSDO and am not >> disappointed. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ackerman" >> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:48 AM >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: airworthiness inspection >> >> >>> >>> Here's another 2 cents worth. >>> >>> I wanted to have all the experienced eyes I could get look over my 10 >>> before flight. A couple of those sets of eyes were friends who were >>> airworthiness inspectors from the local FSDO. These guys looked at the >>> plane individually, at least once for more than three hours, and one >>> person looked at it at several stages of construction. They did this at >>> no charge, and on their own time. Believe me, it was really appreciated. >>> Even though there was not an awful lot found, I still got really good >>> suggestions and in-depth discussions. >>> >>> We discussed whether to have one of the FAA airworthiness inspectors do >>> the inspection, and decided instead to employ Gary Towner, an uncommonly >>> highly regarded (by everyone I talked to, and that was a least a dozen >>> folks who should know) DAR. That was a really good call. Although the >>> main function of the inspection is to get the paperwork all straight, >>> (what can I say? It's not a perfect world) Gary did an excellent >>> physical inspection of the airplane, and was in no hurry to get it over >>> with. By the way - when one of the FSDO folks wanted his own RV >>> inspected, guess who got the job? Yep, Gary did. >>> >>> The way the system works is that the overall cost of having DARs do the >>> actual inspections and the FSDO guys look over their shoulders >>> occasionally is much less than having the FSDO guys do the actual >>> inspections. It cost me personally four hundred more bucks this way than >>> if the FAA did the inspection "for free", but frankly, it was worth it >>> to me. It also cost the rest of you poor taxpayers a lot less than the >>> direct and overhead costs of employing the additional inspectors that >>> would be required. >>> >>> IIRC, one of us posted that he had both a DAR and an airworthiness >>> inspector from the FAA at his inspection. The function of the FAA guys >>> (as far as airworthiness inspections goes) is to make sure that the DARs >>> do an inspection that meets the FAA's standards. This means they witness >>> inspections being done from time to time.It works the same way with >>> airman certification - the job is almost always done by a Designated >>> Pilot Examiner, sometimes with an FAA Operations Inspector looking over >>> his/her shoulder. Not a bad system at all. >>> >>> John Ackerman >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 10, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> FAA in Detroit (YIP) drove 46 miles to do the airworthiness inspection >>>> last Monday for my RV-10.... But I have been working with them since >>>> last Fall. Just like everything else, takes proper planning. >>>> >>>> Look for my first flight soon.... >>>> -Mike Kraus >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On May 10, 2011, at 9:46 PM, "Eric_Kallio" wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> My airport is 16 miles from the FSDO. They flat out said they couldn't >>>>> do it. I even fly with a pilot in the Guard that worked for the FAA >>>>> full time and even he couldn't get them out there. We are not their >>>>> target audience. Paint Delta on the side of your plane though, and see >>>>> how fast they show up. >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339507#339507 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
Date: May 11, 2011
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
John you should be commended in your effort to find a conscientious and accurate DAR inspection. I could site too many who for a fee will "flash review" the paperwork and sign "Good to Go". A great DAR leaves you feeling good about the process and a meaningful road to travel on the Phase 1 (& beyond). A great DAR knows the aircraft he is signing (in this case the RV-10), let's you now some of the Gotcha's and imparts wisdom he/she acquired on their path to the authorization. I have always been impressed when a builder asks his peers to do a once over before the DAR arrival. As a former DPE, I know all too well the role of the FAA bringing a second set of eyes in reviewing the work of a Designee. May all your flights be memorable, your learning continue and each landing uneventful for you insurance policy. Many applicants have a less than accurate idea of what is to be accomplished during a DAR Airworthiness authorization. Some think the DAR is going to find every last build issue which might lead to a future incident/accident. Not so, I was always on my best behavior during a FSDO review. I could name for you patterns even with the RV-10 which can be missed. The pressure was on the DPE to issue the license unless the applicant clearly missed the intend of the review. A great DAR leaves you with what your next Conditional Inspection should be looking for. This list posts many of those issues which deserve attention before they become a statistic. Most builders just built it the way it was designed and go no further. You have done it one better. John Cox, #40600 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ackerman Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: airworthiness inspection Dave I don't think "full disclosure" is an issue here, but lest there be any confusion, you are 100% correct. I tried to make it obvious that two of the sets of eyes were those of folks who work at the FSDO although those two were acting strictly as my personal friends and on their own time. The way that I came to know those particular two friends (my relative) is as totally irrelevant as is the way that I came to know you (this list). What is relevant is that after trying very hard to get all the competent review I could, I still found considerable merit in hiring a really good DAR, specifically Gary Towner, to do the inspection. BTW, thanks for being one of the helpful sets of eyes. DLM wrote: > I have not expected service from the FSDO and am not disappointed. For my part, I have not asked for nor have I received any services from the FSDO, and hope I never have to. :-) Out. John Ackerman ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "Must Fix" items
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: May 12, 2011
Great thread and project! One thing that I am planning on doing is to cut two holes into the tunnel cover for snap-in cup holders. This would allow quick and easy inspection of the tunnel area, even in flight, and also the ability to discharge a fire extinguisher directly into the tunnel if necessary. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339652#339652 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 12, 2011
From: Larry Rosen <N205EN(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: "Must Fix" items
Would defrost fans qualify as a "Must Fix" item? Probably not in the top 10, but your list may need to be expanded. Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "Must Fix" items
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: May 12, 2011
I don't think I'd put them as a MUST because they would be loosley tied to safety....but I can put them below under highly suggested. Tim On May 12, 2011, at 6:21 AM, Larry Rosen wrote: > > Would defrost fans qualify as a "Must Fix" item? Probably not in the top 10, but your list may need to be expanded. > > Larry > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 12, 2011
From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
I'm sure either one of those response's would make your eventual inspection a =0Adream. But it would be fun to get their reaction.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____ ___________________________=0AFrom: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>=0A Re: RV10-List: Re: airworthiness inspection=0A=0A--> RV10-List message pos ted by: Kelly McMullen =0A=0AWell, if you like to live on the rogue side of the tracks, you could just tell =0Athem that if they don't think it is important enough for them to inspect, you =0Aagree with t hem, and will just go fly it. ;-))=0AOr you could say you were contacting y our congressional delegation to find out =0Awhy inspecting new aircraft doe sn't merit their attention, when the highest =0Apercentage of accidents com e from experimental aircraft. No FAA region likes =0Aresponding to congress ional inquiries.=0A=0AOn 5/10/2011 6:46 PM, Eric_Kallio wrote:=0A> -->- R V10-List message posted by: "Eric_Kallio"=0A> =0A> My air port is 16 miles from the FSDO. They flat out said they couldn't do it. I =0A>even fly with a pilot in the Guard that worked for the FAA full time an d even he =0A>couldn't get them out there. We are not their target audience . Paint Delta on =0A>the side of your plane though, and see how fast they s ==================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 12, 2011
From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
Gary did mine too, very thorough and he is a good guy.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______ __________________________=0AFrom: John Ackerman <johnag5b(at)cableone.net>=0A : Re: RV10-List: Re: airworthiness inspection=0A=0A--> RV10-List message po sted by: John Ackerman =0A=0AHere's another 2 cents worth.=0A=0AI wanted to have all the experienced eyes I could get look over my 10 before =0Aflight. A couple of those sets of eyes were friends who we re airworthiness =0Ainspectors from the local FSDO. These guys looked at th e plane individually, at =0Aleast once for more than three hours, and one p erson looked at it at several =0Astages of construction. They did this at n o charge, and on their own time. =0ABelieve me, it was really appreciated. Even though there was not an awful lot =0Afound, I still got really good su ggestions and in-depth discussions.=0A=0AWe discussed whether to have one o f the FAA airworthiness inspectors do the =0Ainspection, and decided instea d to employ Gary Towner, an uncommonly highly =0Aregarded (by everyone I ta lked to, and that was a least a dozen folks who should =0Aknow) DAR. That w as a really good call. Although the main function of the =0Ainspection is t o get the paperwork all straight, (what can I say? It's not a =0Aperfect wo rld) Gary did an excellent physical inspection of the airplane, and =0Awas in no hurry to get it over with.- By the way - when one of the FSDO folks =0Awanted his own RV inspected, guess who got the job?- Yep, Gary did. =0A=0AThe way the system works is that the overall cost of having DARs do t he actual =0Ainspections and the FSDO guys look over their shoulders occasi onally is much =0Aless than having the FSDO guys do the actual inspections. It cost me personally =0Afour hundred more bucks this way than if the FAA did the inspection "for free", =0Abut frankly, it was worth it to me. It al so cost the rest of you poor taxpayers =0Aa lot less than the direct and ov erhead costs of employing the additional =0Ainspectors that would be requir ed.=0A=0AIIRC, one of us posted that he had both a DAR and an airworthiness inspector =0Afrom the FAA at his inspection. The function of the FAA guys (as far as =0Aairworthiness inspections goes) is to make sure that the DARs do an inspection =0Athat meets the FAA's standards. This means they witnes s inspections being done =0Afrom time to time.It works the same way with ai rman certification - the job is =0Aalmost always done by a Designated Pilot Examiner, sometimes with an FAA =0AOperations Inspector looking over his/h er shoulder.- Not a bad system at all.=0A=0AJohn Ackerman=0A=0A=0A=0AOn M ay 10, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Michael Kraus wrote:=0A=0A> --> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Kraus =0A> =0A> FAA in Detro it (YIP) drove 46 miles to do the airworthiness inspection last =0A>Monday for my RV-10....- But I have been working with them since last Fall.- =0A>Just like everything else, takes proper planning.=0A> =0A> Look for my first flight soon....=0A> -Mike Kraus=0A> =0A> Sent from my iPhone=0A> =0A> On May 10, 2011, at 9:46 PM, "Eric_Kallio" wrote:=0A> > =0A>> My airport is 16 miles from the FSDO. They flat out said they could n't do it. I =0A>>even fly with a pilot in the Guard that worked for the FA A full time and even he =0A>>couldn't get them out there. We are not their target audience. Paint Delta on =0A>>the side of your plane though, and see how fast they show up.=0A>> =0A>> Eric=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Read t his topic online here:=0A>> =0A>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php ?p=339507#339507=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A =========================0A ======================= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: tow bar
From: "lbgjb10" <lbgjb(at)gnt.net>
Date: May 12, 2011
anybody use a 'nose dragger dragger' tow bar?? it says you need 3 inches of wheel clearance. anyone know how much clearance we have (I'm away from the hangar for a while) thanks. larry` -------- Larry and Gayle N104LG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339719#339719 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "Must Fix" items
From: "g34u" <aycangencoglu(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 12, 2011
I will start my wings very soon and I wanted to get that better 5052-O aluminum tube. I could not tell which one I should get [Question] here is the link in spruce. Thank you in advance. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?query=5052-0&search=1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339722#339722 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: iPad
Date: May 13, 2011
For those of you using an iPad - what sort of mounting is working out well? I'm thinking of buying the Sporty's Flight Gear iPad Kneeboard ($39.95) and wonder if anyone else is using it. I've also thought about a RAM hard mount but wonder if that would get in the way. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: iPad
From: Sohrab Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 13, 2011
I am using Ram mount. I posted a couple of pictures that you might search fo r. Ram mount also said they would show my mount on their website. I can sen y ou pictures later if you need them. Rob Kermanj Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2011, at 11:57 AM, "Albert Gardner" wrote : > For those of you using an iPad =93 what sort of mounting is working o ut well? I=99m thinking of buying the Sporty=99s Flight Gear iPa d Kneeboard ($39.95) and wonder if anyone else is using it. I=99ve als o thought about a RAM hard mount but wonder if that would get in the way. > Albert Gardner > N991RV > Yuma, AZ > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 13, 2011
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: iPad
Al, If it's the one that I'm thinking of (It opens up like a folder) save your time, it's way too big to use in the RV10. I sent mine back. Deems On 5/13/2011 8:57 AM, Albert Gardner wrote: > *For those of you using an iPad -- what sort of mounting is working out well? I'm thinking of buying the Sporty's Flight Gear iPad Kneeboard ($39.95) and wonder if anyone else is using it. I've also thought about a RAM hard mount but wonder if that would get in the way.* > *Albert Gardner* > *N991RV* > *Yuma, AZ* > * * > * > > > * -- Deems Davis ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: iPad
From: Albert <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Date: May 13, 2011
Rob: can't find the pics on RAM's web page. Could you send them when you get a chance? How do you like flying with the iPad? Albert Sent from my iPad On May 13, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Sohrab Kermanj wrote: > I am using Ram mount. I posted a couple of pictures that you might search f or. Ram mount also said they would show my mount on their website. I can sen you pictures later if you need them. > > Rob Kermanj > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 13, 2011, at 11:57 AM, "Albert Gardner" wro te: > >> For those of you using an iPad =93 what sort of mounting is working out well? I=99m thinking of buying the Sporty=99s Flight Gear i Pad Kneeboard ($39.95) and wonder if anyone else is using it. I=99ve a lso thought about a RAM hard mount but wonder if that would get in the way. >> Albert Gardner >> N991RV >> Yuma, AZ >> >> >> >> ========================= ========= >> ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========================= ========= >> ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========================= ========= >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion >> ========================= ========= >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another "smoke in the cockpit" crash (non-RV10)
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 13, 2011
After hearing about several sad accidents and near misses lately, maybe it's time to stop and recheck all fuel system fittings. I was looking for an excuse to distract me from windscreen finish work anyhow! Jay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339781#339781 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 13, 2011
Subject: Re: iPad
From: amekler(at)metrocast.net
I have the knee board strap.it is ok. i'm looking to mount mine under the throttle quadrant at an angle on the tunnel but worried about the temp. the ipad can shot down if it gets too hot. Alan n668G On Fri 05/13/11 11:57 AM , "Albert Gardner" wrote: FOR THOSE OF YOU USING AN IPAD =93 WHAT SORT OF MOUNTING IS WORKING OUT WELL? I=99M THINKING OF BUYING THE SPORTY=99S FLIGHT GEAR I PAD KNEEBOARD ($39.95) AND WONDER IF ANYONE ELSE IS USING IT. I=99VE ALSO THOUGHT ABOUT A RAM HARD MOUNT BUT WONDER IF THAT WOULD GET IN THE WAY. Links: ------ [1] http://metromail.metrocast.net/HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGATOR?RV10-LIST [2] http://metromail.metrocast.net/HTTP://FORUMS.MATRONICS.COM/ [3] http://metromail.metrocast.net/HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: iPad
Date: May 13, 2011
I personally like keeping mine free. I use a normal kneeboard for writing down clearances and frequencies and stuff like that (on paper), and use the ipad for maps, airport info and plates. I have an armrest between the front seats and I usually either keep the ipad on the armrest or on my lap. I put it on the glare shield a couple of times and it quickly overheats, which renders it unusable until it cools down. Not going that anymore. When I want to put it away I put it inside the armrest or hand it to the copilot to hold while I fly the plane. If it isn't mounted in/on the panel, I can't think of a good place to fix it in the plane where it wouldn't be in the way. YMMV Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On May 13, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Albert Gardner wrote: > For those of you using an iPad ' what sort of mounting is working out well? I=92m thinking of buying the Sporty=92s Flight Gear iPad Kneeboard ($39.95) and wonder if anyone else is using it. I=92ve also thought about a RAM hard mount but wonder if that would get in the way. > Albert Gardner > N991RV > Yuma, AZ > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: iPad
Date: May 13, 2011
Deems, did you find a better solution? Maybe I'll just use it like Jesse Saint does. I'm using Foreflight at the moment but I see on Flight Guide's webpage that they have a GPS Antenna addon and sounds like they are planning moving map and weather with their App. Might see some interesting stuff at Oshkosh this year. Albert From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:36 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: iPad Al, If it's the one that I'm thinking of (It opens up like a folder) save your time, it's way too big to use in the RV10. I sent mine back. Deems On 5/13/2011 8:57 AM, Albert Gardner wrote: For those of you using an iPad - what sort of mounting is working out well? I'm thinking of buying the Sporty's Flight Gear iPad Kneeboard ($39.95) and wonder if anyone else is using it. I've also thought about a RAM hard mount but wonder if that would get in the way. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ -- Deems Davis ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: I know where can buy super viagra!
From: "adamkohne" <adamkohnemcal(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 13, 2011
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Subject: Re: Another "smoke in the cockpit" crash (non-RV10)
From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>
Date: May 14, 2011
I spoke with Bud a few times about his product. I didn't choose his route, but I admired his spunk and tenacity which is a big part of what drives our avocation. I feel for his loved ones. I also feel for the builders who had deposits or partial installs on his packages. This is a sad day for experimental aviation. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339827#339827 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2011
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Chicago Area AN Hardware Source?
Anyone around the Chicago western suburbs know of a source for AN Hardware locally? I was spoiled when I was in Arizona. Had a shop a few minutes drive away. Aircraft Spruce usually gets stuff to me in a couple days, but there I times when I just wanted to drive and pick it up same day. -Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2011
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Chicago Area AN Hardware Source?
Probably the most convenient to you is at the southern end of your state, off I-70, Wicks Aircraft. They seem to be very good on customer service. Kelly On 5/14/2011 7:19 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > Anyone around the Chicago western suburbs know of a source for AN > Hardware locally? I was spoiled when I was in Arizona. Had a shop a few > minutes drive away. Aircraft Spruce usually gets stuff to me in a couple > days, but there I times when I just wanted to drive and pick it up same > day. > > -Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Chicago Area AN Hardware Source?
From: David Leikam <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com>
Date: May 14, 2011
This might be a bit far for you but they are a good source. http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/advcat.asp?CategoryID=HARDWARE David Leikam RV10 Flying On May 14, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > Anyone around the Chicago western suburbs know of a source for AN Hardware locally? I was spoiled when I was in Arizona. Had a shop a few minutes drive away. Aircraft Spruce usually gets stuff to me in a couple days, but there I times when I just wanted to drive and pick it up same day. > > -Sean #40303 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2011
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Re: Chicago Area AN Hardware Source?
That's not too bad. I'm 1/2 way between O'hare and Rockford on I-90. So just a straight shot north a bit. On 5/14/11 9:37 AM, David Leikam wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam > > This might be a bit far for you but they are a good source. > > http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/advcat.asp?CategoryID=HARDWARE > > David Leikam > RV10 > Flying > > > On May 14, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens >> >> Anyone around the Chicago western suburbs know of a source for AN Hardware locally? I was spoiled when I was in Arizona. Had a shop a few minutes drive away. Aircraft Spruce usually gets stuff to me in a couple days, but there I times when I just wanted to drive and pick it up same day. >> >> -Sean #40303 >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2011
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Chicago Area AN Hardware Source?
There might be a source at the Rockford airport as well. I know there is an aircraft accessories shop there for things like magnetos and fuel injection systems. On 5/14/2011 9:16 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > That's not too bad. I'm 1/2 way between O'hare and Rockford on I-90. So > just a straight shot north a bit. > > On 5/14/11 9:37 AM, David Leikam wrote: >> >> This might be a bit far for you but they are a good source. >> >> http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/advcat.asp?CategoryID=HARDWARE >> >> David Leikam >> RV10 >> Flying >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 14, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: >> >>> >>> Anyone around the Chicago western suburbs know of a source for AN >>> Hardware locally? I was spoiled when I was in Arizona. Had a shop a >>> few minutes drive away. Aircraft Spruce usually gets stuff to me in a >>> couple days, but there I times when I just wanted to drive and pick >>> it up same day. >>> >>> -Sean #40303 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Chicago Area AN Hardware Source?
From: David Leikam <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com>
Date: May 14, 2011
I don't know his name off hand, but the owner built an RV-7. Great walk in service. They also carry all the high quality hoses and fittings we all like. If you do stop up give me a call, it would be nice to meet another builder, you'll be right in my neck of the woods. David Leikam RV10 Flying On May 14, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > That's not too bad. I'm 1/2 way between O'hare and Rockford on I-90. So just a straight shot north a bit. > > On 5/14/11 9:37 AM, David Leikam wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam >> >> This might be a bit far for you but they are a good source. >> >> http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/advcat.asp?CategoryID=HARDWARE >> >> David Leikam >> RV10 >> Flying >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 14, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: >> >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens >>> >>> Anyone around the Chicago western suburbs know of a source for AN Hardware locally? I was spoiled when I was in Arizona. Had a shop a few minutes drive away. Aircraft Spruce usually gets stuff to me in a couple days, but there I times when I just wanted to drive and pick it up same day. >>> >>> -Sean #40303 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: ACK Model E-04 ELT - Do you have one? Can you spare it?
Is any one in possession of a an ACK ELT they would be willing to sell and trade for my order position? I'm doing my final assembly (whatever that is) and need to complete installation of an ELT. I ordered the ACK ELT in July of '09 from AC Spruce but if you own one, you know the story. I should be receiving mine any day now (!!??) but in fact, have no idea when. I've been told that ACS is shipping 10/week but who knows. If you have one but know that you are a few months from doing anything with it, I'd be interested in setting up some kind of purchase/trade. Bill "getting so close but still driving the Maule" Watson 919-824-4179 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2011
Subject: Re: ACK Model E-04 ELT - Do you have one? Can you spare it?
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Of course during your Phase 1 AFAIK you can use the exceptions in 91.207 (3) Aircraft while engaged in training operations conducted entirely within a 50-nautical mile radius of the airport from which such local flight operations began; (4) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to design and testing; On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > > Is any one in possession of a an ACK ELT they would be willing to sell and > trade for my order position? > > I'm doing my final assembly (whatever that is) and need to complete > installation of an ELT. I ordered the ACK ELT in July of '09 from AC Spruce > but if you own one, you know the story. > > I should be receiving mine any day now (!!??) but in fact, have no idea > when. I've been told that ACS is shipping 10/week but who knows. > > If you have one but know that you are a few months from doing anything with > it, I'd be interested in setting up some kind of purchase/trade. > > Bill "getting so close but still driving the Maule" Watson > 919-824-4179 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: ACK Model E-04 ELT - Do you have one? Can you spare it?
Thanks for that. I thought there was something like that but wasn't sure. Still, I really want to 'finish' the panel.... Bill On 5/14/2011 10:18 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen > > Of course during your Phase 1 AFAIK you can use the exceptions in 91.207 > (3) Aircraft while engaged in training operations conducted entirely > within a 50-nautical mile radius of the airport from which such local > flight operations began; > > (4) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to design and testing; > > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Bill Watson wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Watson >> >> Is any one in possession of a an ACK ELT they would be willing to sell and >> trade for my order position? >> >> I'm doing my final assembly (whatever that is) and need to complete >> installation of an ELT. I ordered the ACK ELT in July of '09 from AC Spruce >> but if you own one, you know the story. >> >> I should be receiving mine any day now (!!??) but in fact, have no idea >> when. I've been told that ACS is shipping 10/week but who knows. >> >> If you have one but know that you are a few months from doing anything with >> it, I'd be interested in setting up some kind of purchase/trade. >> >> Bill "getting so close but still driving the Maule" Watson >> 919-824-4179 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 14, 2011
Subject: Re: ACK Model E-04 ELT - Do you have one? Can you spare it?
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
If aircraft building is anything like do-it-yourself house building, you will NEVER be truly finished. Which is perfectly okay, once it reaches airworthy status, "finishing" takes on a different meaning. On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > > Thanks for that. I thought there was something like that but wasn't sure. > > Still, I really want to 'finish' the panel.... > > Bill > > On 5/14/2011 10:18 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> >> Of course during your Phase 1 AFAIK you can use the exceptions in 91.207 >> (3) Aircraft while engaged in training operations conducted entirely >> within a 50-nautical mile radius of the airport from which such local >> flight operations began; >> >> (4) Aircraft while engaged in flight operations incident to design and >> testing; >> >> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Bill Watson >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Is any one in possession of a an ACK ELT they would be willing to sell >>> and >>> trade for my order position? >>> >>> I'm doing my final assembly (whatever that is) and need to complete >>> installation of an ELT. I ordered the ACK ELT in July of '09 from AC >>> Spruce >>> but if you own one, you know the story. >>> >>> I should be receiving mine any day now (!!??) but in fact, have no idea >>> when. I've been told that ACS is shipping 10/week but who knows. >>> >>> If you have one but know that you are a few months from doing anything >>> with >>> it, I'd be interested in setting up some kind of purchase/trade. >>> >>> Bill "getting so close but still driving the Maule" Watson >>> 919-824-4179 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NormRainey(at)aol.com
Date: May 16, 2011
Subject: Notice of my "hacked" email account
Recently over the weekend my AOL email account was "hacked" and there have been emails sent out bearing my name, but not originating from me. I apologize for any confusion and I have reported this to the "fraud" department at AOL and the local authorities for prosecution. Norm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: iPad
Date: May 16, 2011
I found that my bad Elf GPS unit doesn't always seem to pick up the satellites so I got an extension cable so that the GPS can lay up on the glare shield (along with the Garmin 496 GPS and WX pucks). I may have to start thinking about external gps antennas although I'm going to try placing the Bad Elf up in the overhead console next. Extension cable was 4.99 + 4.99 shipping from cellphoneshop.com so not as expensive as I had imagined. I'm learning to love this iPad and Foreflight. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Chicago Area AN Hardware Source?
From: efdsteve(at)aol.com
Date: May 16, 2011
Try Poplar Grove Airmotive Parts Department, just north of Belvidere at the Poplar Grove Airport. Steve Weinstock Schaumburg, IL 40230, finishing -----Original Message----- From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> Sent: Sat, May 14, 2011 11:20 am Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chicago Area AN Hardware Source? That's not too bad. I'm 1/2 way between O'hare and Rockford on I-90. o just a straight shot north a bit. On 5/14/11 9:37 AM, David Leikam wrote: --> RV10-List message posted by: David Leikam This might be a bit far for you but they are a good source. http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/advcat.asp?CategoryID=HARDWARE David Leikam RV10 Flying On May 14, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Sean Stephens wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens > > Anyone around the Chicago western suburbs know of a source for AN Hardwar e ocally? I was spoiled when I was in Arizona. Had a shop a few minutes dri ve way. Aircraft Spruce usually gets stuff to me in a couple days, but there I imes when I just wanted to drive and pick it up same day. > > -Sean #40303 > > -= - The RV10-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2011
Subject: Baggage Door Opening Dimmensions
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
Would you guys mind pointing me in the direction of where I can get the baggage door opening dimensions? I am about to order an article air cooler for my Cherokee and want to make sure it will fit in the 10. Thanks, Shannon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Baggage Door Opening Dimmensions
It's an odd shaped opening. Rounded down to the nearest 1/4": -The vertical at the front is 19.25" - The horizontal at top is 20.25 - A diagonal of 28" from lower LH corner to upper right - But then you have to remove a triangle at the lower bottom rear corner that is 7" horizontally and 6" vertically The whole affair looks like (I hope): ------------------------- ! ! ! ! ! ! ! / ! / --------------------/ Hope that helps. Bill "re-installing the panel, looking for a hangar" Watson On 5/16/2011 3:41 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > > Would you guys mind pointing me in the direction of where I can get > the baggage door opening dimensions? I am about to order an article > air cooler for my Cherokee and want to make sure it will fit in the 10. > > Thanks, > Shannon > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2011
Subject: Re: Baggage Door Opening Dimmensions
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
I think I understand... Does the attached drawing look about right? On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > > It's an odd shaped opening. Rounded down to the nearest 1/4": > -The vertical at the front is 19.25" > - The horizontal at top is 20.25 > - A diagonal of 28" from lower LH corner to upper right > - But then you have to remove a triangle at the lower bottom rear corner > that is 7" horizontally and 6" vertically > The whole affair looks like (I hope): > > ------------------------- > ! ! > ! ! > ! ! > ! / > ! / > --------------------/ > > Hope that helps. > > Bill "re-installing the panel, looking for a hangar" Watson > > > On 5/16/2011 3:41 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > >> >> Would you guys mind pointing me in the direction of where I can get the >> baggage door opening dimensions? I am about to order an article air cooler >> for my Cherokee and want to make sure it will fit in the 10. >> >> Thanks, >> Shannon >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Baggage Door Opening Dimmensions
That's it! It's a very satisfying piece to assemble because it has a slight compound curve throughout it. Not sure how you would fabricate it without CAD and CNC... at least without n years of sheet metal experience... but it just clecos together and fits perfectly. On 5/16/2011 5:28 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > I think I understand... Does the attached drawing look about right? > > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Bill Watson > wrote: > > > > > It's an odd shaped opening. Rounded down to the nearest 1/4": > -The vertical at the front is 19.25" > - The horizontal at top is 20.25 > - A diagonal of 28" from lower LH corner to upper right > - But then you have to remove a triangle at the lower bottom rear > corner that is 7" horizontally and 6" vertically > The whole affair looks like (I hope): > > ------------------------- > ! ! > ! ! > ! ! > ! / > ! / > --------------------/ > > Hope that helps. > > Bill "re-installing the panel, looking for a hangar" Watson > > > On 5/16/2011 3:41 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote: > > > Would you guys mind pointing me in the direction of where I > can get the baggage door opening dimensions? I am about to > order an article air cooler for my Cherokee and want to make > sure it will fit in the 10. > > Thanks, > Shannon > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Baggage Door Opening Dimmensions
Date: May 16, 2011
Hey Shannon, I've made my own cooler/ac for the baggage compartment in the -10. I'll get dimensions of the cooler tomorrow -- it's about a perfect fit. Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: Shannon Hicks To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: Baggage Door Opening Dimmensions Would you guys mind pointing me in the direction of where I can get the baggage door opening dimensions? I am about to order an article air cooler for my Cherokee and want to make sure it will fit in the 10. Thanks, Shannon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Baggage Door Opening Dimmensions
Date: May 16, 2011
Is the article meant to be arctic air cooler? if so buy it from Lew, on this list, or make it yourself. much less expensive. I need to get around to making mine one of these days. Pascal From: Shannon Hicks Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: Baggage Door Opening Dimmensions Would you guys mind pointing me in the direction of where I can get the baggage door opening dimensions? I am about to order an article air cooler for my Cherokee and want to make sure it will fit in the 10. Thanks, Shannon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 17, 2011
Subject: Re: Baggage Door Opening Dimmensions
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
Yes, it was supposed to be artctic. Auto correct on my phone got me again. I would be happy to buy it from Lew. Does anyone have his phone number? Shannon On May 16, 2011 10:14 PM, "Pascal" wrote: > Is the article meant to be arctic air cooler? if so buy it from Lew, on this list, or make it yourself. much less expensive. > I need to get around to making mine one of these days. > Pascal > > From: Shannon Hicks > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:41 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Baggage Door Opening Dimmensions > > Would you guys mind pointing me in the direction of where I can get the baggage door opening dimensions? I am about to order an article air cooler for my Cherokee and want to make sure it will fit in the 10. > > Thanks, > Shannon > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Baggage Door Opening Dimmensions
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Date: May 17, 2011
OK Shannon, The dimensions of the cooler I use are 14X14X24, and it tapers slightly toward the bottom so that it slides in perfectly. I'll attach the pictures I posted earlier. The cooler is at Walmart now for less than $20. It's the 48 qt. Island Breeze by Igloo. I've modified the a/c cooler I made for Wes by wiring the fans in series instead of parallel. This cuts the amps down and still puts out a lot of cool air and doesn't use the ice up so fast. The 12v computer fans I use are actually for servers and put out more cfm than any others I've run across. I think the advantage of this style that I've put together is that it uses the heater core (out of junkyard cars) as a heat exchanger that actually pulls moisture out of the cabin instead of just blowing air over ice. I haven't gotten around to making the plenum yet that would sit on the console between the seats with directional air vents ... stay tuned! Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340105#340105 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ac9_medium_100.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ac8_medium_709.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ac7_medium_257.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 17, 2011
From: Larry Rosen <N205EN(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Baggage Door Opening Dimmensions
Here is the earlier post with links to the pictures that Lew posted earlier. --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lew Gallagher" Hey Patrick, Here are a couple of pictures of the last one I made for the guy that flies a Cessna. He has his accessory outlet on the dash, so I made the in-line switch about two feet from the receptacle, with a total length of about 11 feet so that he can put the cooler in the back. The 4" ducts extend to 8 ft. and they are quick detach. Thanks for the interest, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305177#305177 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ac9_medium_194.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ac8_medium_937.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ac7_medium_697.jpg On 5/17/2011 8:11 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lew Gallagher" > > OK Shannon, > > The dimensions of the cooler I use are 14X14X24, and it tapers slightly toward the bottom so that it slides in perfectly. > > I'll attach the pictures I posted earlier. The cooler is at Walmart now for less than $20. It's the 48 qt. Island Breeze by Igloo. > > I've modified the a/c cooler I made for Wes by wiring the fans in series instead of parallel. This cuts the amps down and still puts out a lot of cool air and doesn't use the ice up so fast. The 12v computer fans I use are actually for servers and put out more cfm than any others I've run across. > > I think the advantage of this style that I've put together is that it uses the heater core (out of junkyard cars) as a heat exchanger that actually pulls moisture out of the cabin instead of just blowing air over ice. > > I haven't gotten around to making the plenum yet that would sit on the console between the seats with directional air vents ... stay tuned! > > Later, - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Fly off completed ! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340105#340105 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ac9_medium_100.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ac8_medium_709.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ac7_medium_257.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Eliel" <jseliel(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: empennage kit for sale
Date: May 17, 2011
My empennage kit is for sale. Construction has been delayed as we sold our home, moved, and now are waiting to build another house. Realistically, it will be a while before I could think about starting to put the kit together, so call or email if you are interested in an RV-10 project. Asking $3200.00. Included is a set of axle extensions made by Don McDonald. I'm located in Sequim, WA. John Eliel jseliel(at)gmail.com 360-681-3927 (H) 425-922-9704 (C) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "E & T Andrews" <etandrews(at)westnet.com.au>
Subject: UREM38E spark plugs and right magneto for sale
Date: May 18, 2011
Hi, I have some surplus parts that I am wishing to sell. These Items are not required as I installed Light Speed Ignition in place of the Right Hand Magneto on my Lycoming IO540 and I am very happy with the performance. Six new UREM 38E Aviation Spark Plugs. Items in original sealed packaging =93 AU=24100 + postage New Slick Magneto Model 6350 Serial Number 08110349 (Right) supplied with additional parts including:LW12707.OVH Adaptor, LW190096.OVH Gear Assembly, 73000 Coupling Mag Drive, 67542 Ball Bearing, SL13641 Magneto Cushion x2, SL62224 Gasket, SL12681 Gasket =93 AU =24750 + Postage Please contact me offline if you are interested etandrews=40westnet.com.au Regards Evan 40379, VH-OSH Flying, Brisbane Australia ====== Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17530) http://www.pctools.com/ ====== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Battery Caddy
Date: May 17, 2011
I always seem to arrive late to the party but I just ran across a neat little device to hold batteries that every one else already was aware of. I previously wrapped a couple of AA=99s into a paper tube and kept several tubes handy in case a headset of hand-held radio needed them. The Battery Caddy solves that problem for me and I made a little mount to hold the caddy just under my leg beside the stick. I=99m happy as a clam now and have 12 batteries ready for instant use. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "g.combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Re: Battery Caddy
Date: May 17, 2011
These are available thru Aerosport Products. They clip on your head set cord and are always in reach. http://www.aerosportproducts.com/battery.htm Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert Gardner To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: Battery Caddy I always seem to arrive late to the party but I just ran across a neat little device to hold batteries that every one else already was aware of. I previously wrapped a couple of AA=99s into a paper tube and kept several tubes handy in case a headset of hand-held radio needed them. The Battery Caddy solves that problem for me and I made a little mount to hold the caddy just under my leg beside the stick. I=99m happy as a clam now and have 12 batteries ready for instant use.Albert GardnerN991RVYuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: May 18, 2011
Here's my FSDO (Oakland, CA) story: I call, get a receptionist. She takes my number, says someone will call back. Amazingly, someone does. He identifies himself as the "supervisor". We talk, he says no problem, we'll schedule your A/W inspection for the week after next. He says he'll assign a specific inspector, who will call me with the exact time and date. Next day, assigned inspector calls, and in very pleasant voice leaves a voice mail: "I'm too busy to do this. I suggest a DAR. Call me back if I can be of any more help." It seems like the left hand doesn't know what the right one is doing, down there at the FSDO. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340345#340345 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
Date: May 18, 2011
Call the left hand back and tell him you're too busy to find a DAR, and you need another inspector who DOES have time. With that said, I have a DAR, he knows RV's , not many FSDO's know much about your specific aircraft as a RV builder that is a RV DAR. I could easily get a FAA person to look at my plane but I chose to get it inspected correctly (aka- knowledge of the aircraft), sure it will cost me money. But in this case.. it's worth it. I would still call the supervisor anyway.. just to make him aware what his folks are doing, The folks here in SoCal are a good group of guys, most really do want to help and volunteer to come to meetings at my CAP squadron to do presentations and get feedback on Sectional changes and anything else they can do. They mean it too, I ask and they gladly were willing to come out and look at my plane. I deferred, not them. My point is I think you will get someone to come out and look at your plane if that is what you want. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Turner Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:51 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: airworthiness inspection Here's my FSDO (Oakland, CA) story: I call, get a receptionist. She takes my number, says someone will call back. Amazingly, someone does. He identifies himself as the "supervisor". We talk, he says no problem, we'll schedule your A/W inspection for the week after next. He says he'll assign a specific inspector, who will call me with the exact time and date. Next day, assigned inspector calls, and in very pleasant voice leaves a voice mail: "I'm too busy to do this. I suggest a DAR. Call me back if I can be of any more help." It seems like the left hand doesn't know what the right one is doing, down there at the FSDO. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340345#340345 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rear seat belt cables
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: May 19, 2011
Does anyone have the rear seat belt cables handy that they could measure the length of for me? These are the ones Vans supplies that bolt to the longeron and go thru the aft baggage wall. Mine seem excessively short and I'm wondering if Vans sent me the wrong ones. Thanks -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: May 19, 2011
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Subject: Re: airworthiness inspection
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: May 20, 2011
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From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Rear seat belt cables
They are 4' 2" plusminus 1/4" I'm not using mine. Bill On 5/19/2011 1:04 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Kraus > > Does anyone have the rear seat belt cables handy that they could measure the length of for me? These are the ones Vans supplies that bolt to the longeron and go thru the aft baggage wall. Mine seem excessively short and I'm wondering if Vans sent me the wrong ones. Thanks > -Mike Kraus > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2011
Subject: Re: Rear seat belt cables
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
We ended up buying S/S units to prevent any interference with the electronics back there. Sorry I don;t remember where we purchased the S/S cables. Robin On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > > They are 4' 2" plusminus 1/4" > > I'm not using mine. > > Bill > > > On 5/19/2011 1:04 PM, Michael Kraus wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Kraus< >> n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> >> >> Does anyone have the rear seat belt cables handy that they could measure >> the length of for me? These are the ones Vans supplies that bolt to the >> longeron and go thru the aft baggage wall. Mine seem excessively short and >> I'm wondering if Vans sent me the wrong ones. Thanks >> -Mike Kraus >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2011
Subject: Rudder links
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Page 38-10 step 1 calls for making links to attach cables to rudder pedals from chrome moly steel. I find none in my inventory, nor do I recall receiving any. Is it hiding somewhere amongst the bits and pieces or does Vans really believe that a builder will have ready access to flat plate chrome moly in their garage? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Rudder links
Date: May 20, 2011
It was in my kit.. Rene' 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 8:08 PM Subject: RV10-List: Rudder links Page 38-10 step 1 calls for making links to attach cables to rudder pedals from chrome moly steel. I find none in my inventory, nor do I recall receiving any. Is it hiding somewhere amongst the bits and pieces or does Vans really believe that a builder will have ready access to flat plate chrome moly in their garage? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Rudder links
Date: May 20, 2011
Hi Kelley There were in my kit (from 2007). I suggest checking the misc fuse parts bags (bags 1390 / 1395 / 1396 or 1398). It is likely in one of those. Cheers Les _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: May-20-11 8:08 PM Subject: RV10-List: Rudder links Page 38-10 step 1 calls for making links to attach cables to rudder pedals from chrome moly steel. I find none in my inventory, nor do I recall receiving any. Is it hiding somewhere amongst the bits and pieces or does Vans really believe that a builder will have ready access to flat plate chrome moly in their garage? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2011
Subject: Re: Rudder links
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Thanks guys. I'll look again. Thanks for the references Les. BTW, Mike Jacobs just returned to the Piper list if you want to say hi. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > Hi Kelley > > There were in my kit (from 2007). I suggest checking the misc fuse parts > bags (bags 1390 / 1395 / 1396 or 1398). It is likely in one of those. > > Cheers > > Les > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Kelly McMullen > *Sent:* May-20-11 8:08 PM > > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Rudder links > > Page 38-10 step 1 calls for making links to attach cables to rudder pedals > from chrome moly steel. I find none in my inventory, nor do I recall > receiving any. Is it hiding somewhere amongst the bits and pieces or does > Vans really believe that a builder will have ready access to flat plate > chrome moly in their garage? > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2011
Subject: Re: Rudder links
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
I found the material is supposed to be in Bag 1395. Thanks again. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > Thanks guys. I'll look again. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: May 21, 2011
Subject: Another First Flight
Just to let everyone know, I did my first flight in my RV-10 on Thursday, May 19, 2011. Serial number 40013 (ordered the first hour of the first day they went on sale). Extremely slow build.... But, since I bought the kit, I had 2 kids, moved, started a new job, did an addition on the house, helped a friend finish up an RV-7, and helped another build an RV-10 quick build..... and I wasn't in a huge hurry because I had an RV-4 I built to fly in my spare time. Awesome plane! Flew it Thursday, Friday, and today. I have 4.3 hours so far and I'm loving every minute of it! It is far from done, but it is flying!! Here is a link to a video of it on YouTube. http://youtu.be/qqj4piEbX74 Michael Kraus Grass Lake, MI RV-4 Recently Sold :-( RV-10 Flying! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 21, 2011
Subject: Re: Rudder links
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Just to follow up....................Vans numbers the bags differently for a QB fuselage than the SB fuselage, so looking for a bag 1395 yielded only a bag 1399, no other 1300 bags at all. So what is 1395 for SB, is bag 1467-1 for QB. Just called a steel strap, and the plans don't give you a p/n or name for the parts. That 4130 seems to dull drill bits faster than the fiberglass, if that is possible. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > I found the material is supposed to be in Bag 1395. Thanks again. > > > On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > >> Thanks guys. I'll look again. >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend(at)aurora.aero>
Subject: Camping?
Date: May 22, 2011
Who's going to be in charge of "RV-10 Central" camping this year? TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend N52KS "When will it ever be out of the paint shop?" 617-500-4812 617-905-4800 (m) tdt(at)aurora.aero ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alan Mekler" <amekler(at)metrocast.net>
Subject: Camping?
Date: May 22, 2011
Hi Tim, Where are you having it painted? Alan N668G in for annual this week From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 8:38 AM Subject: RV10-List: Camping? Who's going to be in charge of "RV-10 Central" camping this year? TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend N52KS "When will it ever be out of the paint shop?" 617-500-4812 617-905-4800 (m) tdt(at)aurora.aero ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Camping?
Date: May 22, 2011
I suspect it will be the same as it's been for the last four or five years, Bob and Gary. Please read the FAQ at: http://www.myrv10.com/osh/ The process has been the same every year. Don't expect any announcements until mid to late June. bob From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 8:38 AM Subject: RV10-List: Camping? Who's going to be in charge of "RV-10 Central" camping this year? TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend N52KS "When will it ever be out of the paint shop?" 617-500-4812 617-905-4800 (m) tdt(at)aurora.aero ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2011
From: Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Another First Flight
Congrats and welcome to the family.- Every day that passes I realize that , at =0Atleast this time, I made a great decsion.- =0A=0ADon McDonald- 0TX1=0A#4068--- 414DM=0A260 hours=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________ ___________=0AFrom: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>=0ATo: rv10-l ist(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, May 21, 2011 6:19:14 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List =0A=0AJust to let everyone know, I did my first flight in my RV-10 on Thursday, May =0A19, 2011.- =0A=0A=0ASerial number 40013 (ordered the first hour of the first day they went on =0Asale).- E xtremely slow build.... But, since I bought the kit, I had 2 kids, =0Amoved , started a new job, did an addition on the house, helped a friend finish =0Aup an RV-7, and helped another build an RV-10 quick build.....- and I wasn't in =0Aa huge hurry because I had an RV-4 I built to fly in my spare time.=0A=0AAwesome plane!- Flew it Thursday, Friday, and today.- I have 4.3 hours so far =0Aand I'm loving every minute of it!- It is far from d one, but it is flying!!=0A=0AHere is a link to a video of it on YouTube.=0A =0Ahttp://youtu.be/qqj4piEbX74=0A=0AMichael Kraus=0AGrass Lake, MI=0ARV-4 R - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Camping?
Date: May 22, 2011
Bob has retired from Camp Condry. I am not willing to do it, but will assist in a minor way if someone wants to come forward and put it all together. Gary Specketer _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 9:01 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Camping? I suspect it will be the same as it's been for the last four or five years, Bob and Gary. Please read the FAQ at: http://www.myrv10.com/osh/ The process has been the same every year. Don't expect any announcements until mid to late June. bob From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 8:38 AM Subject: RV10-List: Camping? Who's going to be in charge of "RV-10 Central" camping this year? TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend N52KS "When will it ever be out of the paint shop?" 617-500-4812 617-905-4800 (m) tdt(at)aurora.aero http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
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From: "Lauren" <laurenzdikxiv(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 22, 2011
I'll know about that, thanks (http://phentermineherbal.com/) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340609#340609 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Camping?
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: May 22, 2011
I am indeed backing off this year. Last year was pretty intense for a variety of reasons and combined with my work/travel schedule between now and then I just can't do it. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340619#340619 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another First Flight
From: "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com>
Date: May 22, 2011
Oh what a feeling. I still can't get the RV grin off of my face after 100 hours. Congratulations! Greg... -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340622#340622 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick & Vicki Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Another First Flight
Date: May 22, 2011
Way to go Mike. Congratulations Proceed with caution. Dick Sipp RV-4 Sold :( RV-10 40065 360 hours Just checked out B-25D SIC :) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kraus Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 7:19 PM Subject: RV10-List: Another First Flight Just to let everyone know, I did my first flight in my RV-10 on Thursday, May 19, 2011. Serial number 40013 (ordered the first hour of the first day they went on sale). Extremely slow build.... But, since I bought the kit, I had 2 kids, moved, started a new job, did an addition on the house, helped a friend finish up an RV-7, and helped another build an RV-10 quick build..... and I wasn't in a huge hurry because I had an RV-4 I b Souilt to fly in my spare time. Awesome plane! Flew it Thursday, Friday, and today. I have 4.3 hours so far and I'm loving every minute of it! It is far from done, but it is flying!! Here is a link to a video of it on YouTube. http://youtu.be/qqj4piEbX74 Michael Kraus Grass Lake, MI RV-4 Recently Sold :-( RV-10 Flying! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another First Flight
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: May 23, 2011
Awesome. Welcome to the ten club. Hope to see the new beast at OSH. Fly the 40 hrs carefully. -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340693#340693 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another First Flight
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: May 23, 2011
Congrats. After 31 hours I still have the smile. Now if I could only get it back from paint. I am going through withdraw symptoms. Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340724#340724 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: fuel pressure sensor
Date: May 24, 2011
I have a GRT sensor which is occasionally providing a reading of 38 psi which puts me into the out of limits condition for the Chelton displays. Normal reading is about 29 psi. part total time is about 450 hours. anyone else had sensor problems? I carry a replacement in the tool/parts box so I can change it but trying to confirm that it needs to be replaced. Engine continues to perform properly. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2011
Subject: Re: fuel pressure sensor
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com>
Don't know if it's the same sensor, but my one from Dynon lasted about 25 hours, before it started "oscillating" with the boost pump off. Replaced it, and the problem was fixed... for about 5 hours. Seeing the same issue again. On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, DLM wrote: > I have a GRT sensor which is occasionally providing a reading of 38 psi > which puts me into the out of limits condition for the Chelton displays. > Normal reading is about 29 psi. part total time is about 450 hours. anyone > else had sensor problems? I carry a replacement in the tool/parts box so I > can change it but trying to confirm that it needs to be replaced. Engine > continues to perform properly. > > * > > * > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying, Phase 1 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: fuel pressure sensor
Date: May 24, 2011
My normal pressure is in the low 20's, but I saw some spikes after the first year...ended up being a faulty ground connection. The crimp just was not good enough. Worked fine ever since. 170 hours. Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: RV10-List: fuel pressure sensor I have a GRT sensor which is occasionally providing a reading of 38 psi which puts me into the out of limits condition for the Chelton displays. Normal reading is about 29 psi. part total time is about 450 hours. anyone else had sensor problems? I carry a replacement in the tool/parts box so I can change it but trying to confirm that it needs to be replaced. Engine continues to perform properly. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: fuel pressure sensor- Dynon specific
Date: May 24, 2011
What did Dynon say about this? Being I have a Skyview I am concerned about the reason for the oscillating. Thanks! Pascal From: Rob Kochman Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel pressure sensor Don't know if it's the same sensor, but my one from Dynon lasted about 25 hours, before it started "oscillating" with the boost pump off. Replaced it, and the problem was fixed... for about 5 hours. Seeing the same issue again. On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, DLM wrote: I have a GRT sensor which is occasionally providing a reading of 38 psi which puts me into the out of limits condition for the Chelton displays. Normal reading is about 29 psi. part total time is about 450 hours. anyone else had sensor problems? I carry a replacement in the tool/parts box so I can change it but trying to confirm that it needs to be replaced. Engine continues to perform properly. get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying, Phase 1 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: fuel pressure sensor
Date: May 24, 2011
have not decided what to do at this point but may look for an automotive solution or a certified solution. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Kochman To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel pressure sensor Don't know if it's the same sensor, but my one from Dynon lasted about 25 hours, before it started "oscillating" with the boost pump off. Replaced it, and the problem was fixed... for about 5 hours. Seeing the same issue again. On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, DLM wrote: I have a GRT sensor which is occasionally providing a reading of 38 psi which puts me into the out of limits condition for the Chelton displays. Normal reading is about 29 psi. part total time is about 450 hours. anyone else had sensor problems? I carry a replacement in the tool/parts box so I can change it but trying to confirm that it needs to be replaced. Engine continues to perform properly. get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying, Phase 1 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: fuel pressure sensor
Date: May 24, 2011
I found that the VDO sensors used for oil and fuel pressure are 360004 and 360003 and are automotive senders. I checked with EI and found that we are "locked in" to VDO sensors check for pressure. I did replaced egt probes with EI and have had no further problems with egt probes burning /disintegrating. http://www.jegs.com/p/VDO/VDO-Pressure-Senders/887192/10002/-1 ----- Original Message ----- From: DLM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:17 AM Subject: RV10-List: fuel pressure sensor I have a GRT sensor which is occasionally providing a reading of 38 psi which puts me into the out of limits condition for the Chelton displays. Normal reading is about 29 psi. part total time is about 450 hours. anyone else had sensor problems? I carry a replacement in the tool/parts box so I can change it but trying to confirm that it needs to be replaced. Engine continues to perform properly. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2011
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Round SubPanel Doubler
For those that are using doublers in the subpanel for round holes cut for wire pass-through, are you making your own using a fly cutter or are there pre-made doublers available from some source? Thanks, -Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: fuel pressure sensor- Dynon specific
Date: May 24, 2011
I have never had a problem with the fuel pressure or oil pressure sensors, with Dynon or any other system. Dynon gets its ground through the block bolted to the firewall, so it that is somehow isolated or not making a good ground, that could possibly be causing it. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On May 24, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Pascal wrote: > What did Dynon say about this? Being I have a Skyview I am concerned about the reason for the oscillating. > Thanks! > Pascal > > From: Rob Kochman > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:38 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel pressure sensor > > Don't know if it's the same sensor, but my one from Dynon lasted about 25 hours, before it started "oscillating" with the boost pump off. Replaced it, and the problem was fixed... for about 5 hours. Seeing the same issue again. > > > > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:17 AM, DLM wrote: > I have a GRT sensor which is occasionally providing a reading of 38 psi which puts me into the out of limits condition for the Chelton displays. Normal reading is about 29 psi. part total time is about 450 hours. anyone else had sensor problems? I carry a replacement in the tool/parts box so I can change it but trying to confirm that it needs to be replaced. Engine continues to perform properly. > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ttp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 Flying, Phase 1 > Woodinville, WA > http://kochman.net/N819K > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein(at)steinair.com>
Subject: Round SubPanel Doubler
Date: May 24, 2011
For something like a small round hole that you feed wires through, no doubler would really be needed...think of it as a "lightning hole"! Cheers, Stein -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: Round SubPanel Doubler For those that are using doublers in the subpanel for round holes cut for wire pass-through, are you making your own using a fly cutter or are there pre-made doublers available from some source? Thanks, -Sean #40303 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2011
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Subject: Re: Round SubPanel Doubler
Ya, I was thinking something a bit larger. Something a pre-built harness (made by some reputable avionics shop :) ) with a DB25 already on could pass through without pulling all the wires out of the connector. I know Vans recommends anything over 2 inch diameter be reinforced. On 5/24/11 5:40 PM, Stein Bruch wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > > For something like a small round hole that you feed wires through, no > doubler would really be needed...think of it as a "lightning hole"! > > Cheers, > > Stein > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:21 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Round SubPanel Doubler > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens > > For those that are using doublers in the subpanel for round holes cut > for wire pass-through, are you making your own using a fly cutter or are > there pre-made doublers available from some source? > > Thanks, > > -Sean #40303 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David <dmaib(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: fuel pressure sensor
Date: May 24, 2011
I just replaced my second GRT fuel sensor a few weeks ago. Both sensors started giving erroneous high readings intermittently in my Cheltons and on Vertical Power. Sandy at GRT says this is pretty common with this sensor. It is a five minute job to swap sensors, but it is a PITA when it starts giving you false alarms. I changed the first one at approximately 175 hours, and this recent one at about 350. I can't remember the cost, but I think it was in the $35 to $45 range. David Maib 40559 Flying On May 24, 2011, at 1:17 PM, DLM wrote: > I have a GRT sensor which is occasionally providing a reading of 38 > psi which puts me into the out of limits condition for the Chelton > displays. Normal reading is about 29 psi. part total time is about > 450 hours. anyone else had sensor problems? I carry a replacement > in the tool/parts box so I can change it but trying to confirm that > it needs to be replaced. Engine continues to perform properly. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2011
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Round SubPanel Doubler
On 5/24/2011 6:40 PM, Stein Bruch wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" > > For something like a small round hole that you feed wires through, no > doubler would really be needed...think of it as a "lightning hole"! Are lightning holes followed by thunder??? Sorry, couldn't resist!!! Linn > Cheers, > > Stein > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:21 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Round SubPanel Doubler > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens > > For those that are using doublers in the subpanel for round holes cut > for wire pass-through, are you making your own using a fly cutter or are > there pre-made doublers available from some source? > > Thanks, > > -Sean #40303 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2011
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Round SubPanel Doubler
On 5/24/2011 6:57 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > Ya, I was thinking something a bit larger. Something a pre-built > harness (made by some reputable avionics shop :) ) with a DB25 already > on could pass through without pulling all the wires out of the connector. You can take the DB-25 connector shell apart and lay the cable alongside and fit it through about a 3/4" - 1" hole. After getting it through, just replace the shell. Linn > > I know Vans recommends anything over 2 inch diameter be reinforced. > > On 5/24/11 5:40 PM, Stein Bruch wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" >> >> For something like a small round hole that you feed wires through, no >> doubler would really be needed...think of it as a "lightning hole"! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Stein >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens >> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:21 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Round SubPanel Doubler >> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens >> >> For those that are using doublers in the subpanel for round holes cut >> for wire pass-through, are you making your own using a fly cutter or are >> there pre-made doublers available from some source? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Sean #40303 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: fuel pressure sensor
Date: May 24, 2011
try link I posted. About $23. ----- Original Message ----- From: David To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:14 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel pressure sensor I just replaced my second GRT fuel sensor a few weeks ago. Both sensors started giving erroneous high readings intermittently in my Cheltons and on Vertical Power. Sandy at GRT says this is pretty common with this sensor. It is a five minute job to swap sensors, but it is a PITA when it starts giving you false alarms. I changed the first one at approximately 175 hours, and this recent one at about 350. I can't remember the cost, but I think it was in the $35 to $45 range. David Maib 40559 Flying On May 24, 2011, at 1:17 PM, DLM wrote: I have a GRT sensor which is occasionally providing a reading of 38 psi which puts me into the out of limits condition for the Chelton displays. Normal reading is about 29 psi. part total time is about 450 hours. anyone else had sensor problems? I carry a replacement in the tool/parts box so I can change it but trying to confirm that it needs to be replaced. Engine continues to perform properly. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month
Date: May 25, 2011
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201106#pg34 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2011
From: curtis groote <cgroote1(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: elevator trim tab hole elongation
Has anyone noticed elongation of the hole in the elevator trim tab horn where the clevis attaches? Is it possible to bush the hole? Does anyone make a hat bushing for the elevator tab horn? Thanks. Curt Groote ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: Re: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month
Date: May 25, 2011
Nice wing root fairing. :-) Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On May 25, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Pascal wrote: > http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201106#pg34 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 4th Annual Great Lakes RV Gathering - KSBM
From: jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com
Date: May 26, 2011
For the last three years the four partners in N44YH have hosted a gathering of RV builders for lunch at our hangar. This is an informal gathering geared around meeting other builders and sharing tales of RV's. Lunch is on us, so if you are available please fell free to stop in. No sales pitch or strings attached, just a chance to get together with other builders and share ideas, and stories. Date: Saturday 6/11/11 Time: 10:00, lunch at 12:00, break up after lunch (last year it ended around 3) Where: KSBM (Sheboygan County Memorial Airport) - Sheboygan Falls, WI Who: Family and friends welcome If you plan to attend please let me know so we can have enough to eat. Thanks, Jason Kreidler 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI Wayne Elsner, Kyle Hokel, Tony Kolar, Jason Kreidler N44YH - #40617 - Flying ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: built plane but how do I get it out?
Date: May 26, 2011
Looks like he did a nice job on the plane. ---------- Reeves had a contractor dig out and remove part of his basement wall to get the plane out of his basement. http://photos.pennlive.com/patriot-news/2011/05/airplane_emerges_from_dan _reev_11.html ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Still another first flight
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: May 26, 2011
N48HT, QB, #40745, took to the air today at KLVK (Livermore, CA) after 3 years and 10 months. A little left wing heavy, no other issues noted. Pretty much a stock RV-10, IO-540D4A5, Hartzell prop and governor. Still need to do the wheel and gear fairings. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341160#341160 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: Still another first flight
Date: May 26, 2011
Congrats Bob Nice to see another RV-10 in Northern Ca John 40864 SB Wings KVCB -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: Still another first flight N48HT, QB, #40745, took to the air today at KLVK (Livermore, CA) after 3 years and 10 months. A little left wing heavy, no other issues noted. Pretty much a stock RV-10, IO-540D4A5, Hartzell prop and governor. Still need to do the wheel and gear fairings. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341160#341160 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Still another first flight
From: "g.combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Date: May 26, 2011
Left wing heavy is normal with only a pilot in the left seat. Sent from my iPhone Geoff On May 26, 2011, at 8:29 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > N48HT, QB, #40745, took to the air today at KLVK (Livermore, CA) after 3 years and 10 months. > > A little left wing heavy, no other issues noted. > > Pretty much a stock RV-10, IO-540D4A5, Hartzell prop and governor. > > Still need to do the wheel and gear fairings. > > Bob > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341160#341160 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2011
From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Still another first flight
Congratulations, mine is a little left wing heavy if I'm the only one in it . I =0Aburn off that tank first and it seems to go away. The wheel pants ar en't much =0Afun, that's what I am working on now. =0A=0A151BJ 52 hrs and c ounting -=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Bob Turn er =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, May 26, 2011 5:29:16 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Still another first flight=0A=0A- N48HT,- QB, #40745, took to the air today at KLVK (Livermore, CA) after 3 years =0Aand 10 months.=0A=0AA little left wing heavy, no other issues not ed.=0A=0APretty much a stock RV-10, IO-540D4A5, Hartzell prop and governor. =0A=0AStill need to do the wheel and gear fairings.=0A=0ABob=0A=0A-------- =0ABob Turner=0ARV-10 QB=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Aht tp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341160#341160=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ============= ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Still another first flight
From: "g.combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Date: May 26, 2011
Congratulating also. The RV grin will be hard to wipe off. 200 hrs and still there. Geoff Sent from my iPhone Geoff On May 26, 2011, at 8:29 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > N48HT, QB, #40745, took to the air today at KLVK (Livermore, CA) after 3 years and 10 months. > > A little left wing heavy, no other issues noted. > > Pretty much a stock RV-10, IO-540D4A5, Hartzell prop and governor. > > Still need to do the wheel and gear fairings. > > Bob > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341160#341160 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Still another first flight
Date: May 26, 2011
Congrats Bob! Yup, same heavy left wing. Say John, the NutTree use to be a nice place to fly in...any recommendations? Roger 40291 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Cumins<mailto:jcumins(at)jcis.net> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 5:59 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Still another first flight > Congrats Bob Nice to see another RV-10 in Northern Ca John 40864 SB Wings KVCB -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 5:29 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Still another first flight > N48HT, QB, #40745, took to the air today at KLVK (Livermore, CA) after 3 years and 10 months. A little left wing heavy, no other issues noted. Pretty much a stock RV-10, IO-540D4A5, Hartzell prop and governor. Still need to do the wheel and gear fairings. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341160#341160 .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341160#341160> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List igator?RV10-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Still another first flight
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: May 26, 2011
Congrats!! I beat you by 1 week, but I started 4 years before you :-) - Mike Kraus N213RV 7 hours.... Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2011, at 8:29 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > N48HT, QB, #40745, took to the air today at KLVK (Livermore, CA) after 3 years and 10 months. > > A little left wing heavy, no other issues noted. > > Pretty much a stock RV-10, IO-540D4A5, Hartzell prop and governor. > > Still need to do the wheel and gear fairings. > > Bob > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341160#341160 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Still another first flight
Date: May 26, 2011
That's what the aileron trim is for ;-) On May 26, 2011, at 8:29 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > N48HT, QB, #40745, took to the air today at KLVK (Livermore, CA) after 3 > years and 10 months. > > A little left wing heavy, no other issues noted. > > Pretty much a stock RV-10, IO-540D4A5, Hartzell prop and governor. > > Still need to do the wheel and gear fairings. > > Bob > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341160#341160 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: Still another first flight
Date: May 27, 2011
Yep come on back the Path leads to a new shopping center and they have several great places to eat also. And the old Train is back up and running and a great place for small kids to platy, Let me know if ya do you, and I will be glad to great ya. John From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 7:21 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Still another first flight Congrats Bob! Yup, same heavy left wing. Say John, the NutTree use to be a nice place to fly in...any recommendations? Roger 40291 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Cumins <mailto:jcumins(at)jcis.net> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 5:59 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Still another first flight Congrats Bob Nice to see another RV-10 in Northern Ca John 40864 SB Wings KVCB -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: RV10-List: Still another first flight N48HT, QB, #40745, took to the air today at KLVK (Livermore, CA) after 3 years and 10 months. A little left wing heavy, no other issues noted. Pretty much a stock RV-10, IO-540D4A5, Hartzell prop and governor. Still need to do the wheel and gear fairings. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341160#341160 http://www.matronicp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c==== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Camping?
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: May 27, 2011
Since it looks like RV-10 Central may not happen this year, is anyone that's going early be willing to grab a spot for me and my crew? I've already purchased a site for the week just need to secure a spot--I'll pay in beer for the service, quantity negotiable:D. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341215#341215 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Camping?
Date: May 27, 2011
The site can only be secured starting on the day you paid for your camping to start. If you secure it earlier, the security folks pick up the stakes and remove your site. In the past folks paid for extra days starting on Tuesday. That is how we got the good sites. Gary Specketer -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4 Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 12:18 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Camping? Since it looks like RV-10 Central may not happen this year, is anyone that's going early be willing to grab a spot for me and my crew? I've already purchased a site for the week just need to secure a spot--I'll pay in beer for the service, quantity negotiable:D. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341215#341215 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 27, 2011
Nice plane! Only 1848 lbs empty weight. That is about 250 lbs heavier than my ifr equipped will be. I could not haul my wife, 11 yr and 8 yr old in it even with the 2800 lb gross. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09. Fuselage Sec 46 Eng mount/Gear- 1359 hrs to date. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341251#341251 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Chelton TT DGII VSGV
Date: May 28, 2011
After the latest TT update to fix the disintegrating display problem, I began to notice Chelton TT AP discrepancies. I don't use the AP on many short flights so recently have noticed that the AP always wants to "hunt" right. I have the Digiflite II VSGV on a gang switch which switches GPS inputs and activates the TT for Arinc A/B inputs. The selector reads AP standalone with Crossbow GPS input, Chelton Arinc A/B input with crossbow for GPS, or GPS only from the GRT Sport backup. The main discrepancy on the display is that the GPS track on the Cheltons (green diamond) and the GPS track on the GRT Sport (two independent GPSs) agree. Somehow the GPS track as passed to the AP always displays about 10 degrees "right" of the GPS track on the Chelton and the Sport. In summary the GPS tracks on the Chelton and GRT displays agree but the GPS track as shown on the TT AP always shows about 10 degrees right. I believe this causes the AP hunting. Any thoughts. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: May 28, 2011
We RV-10 builders are not a monolithic group in our philosophy on how our planes turn out. There is no doubt that Greg's plane is an absolutely outstanding aircraft with many luxury enhancements. If you want these additions - there is a weight penalty. We all know this. Nevertheless, kudos to Greg for an outstanding addition to the fleet. -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341281#341281 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Chelton TT DGII VSGV
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: May 28, 2011
It's because of where you live....and how you have it wired to the GPS. The signal you're sending it isn't corrected for magnetic variation the way you have it wired. Tim On May 28, 2011, at 1:02 PM, "DLM" wrote: > After the latest TT update to fix the disintegrating display problem, I be gan to notice Chelton TT AP discrepancies. I don't use the AP on many short f lights so recently have noticed that the AP always wants to "hunt" right. I h ave the Digiflite II VSGV on a gang switch which switches GPS inputs and act ivates the TT for Arinc A/B inputs. The selector reads AP standalone with Cr ossbow GPS input, Chelton Arinc A/B input with crossbow for GPS, or GPS only from the GRT Sport backup. The main discrepancy on the display is that the G PS track on the Cheltons (green diamond) and the GPS track on the GRT Sport ( two independent GPSs) agree. Somehow the GPS track as passed to the AP alway s displays about 10 degrees "right" of the GPS track on the Chelton and the S port. In summary the GPS tracks on the Chelton and GRT displays agree but th e GPS track as shown on the TT AP always shows about 10 degrees right. I bel ieve this causes the AP hunting. Any thoughts. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Chelton TT DGII VSGV
Date: May 28, 2011
my understanding is that the GPS track is always magnetic track. My GRT is set to display ground track and the Chelton green diamond displays ground track which both should be magnetic. Yet the GRT display and Chelton green diamond always agree; just the TT AP display does not agree when Chelton GPS outputs to TT. It may be user error but I have not found it yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Olson To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton TT DGII VSGV It's because of where you live....and how you have it wired to the GPS. The signal you're sending it isn't corrected for magnetic variation the way you have it wired. Tim On May 28, 2011, at 1:02 PM, "DLM" wrote: After the latest TT update to fix the disintegrating display problem, I began to notice Chelton TT AP discrepancies. I don't use the AP on many short flights so recently have noticed that the AP always wants to "hunt" right. I have the Digiflite II VSGV on a gang switch which switches GPS inputs and activates the TT for Arinc A/B inputs. The selector reads AP standalone with Crossbow GPS input, Chelton Arinc A/B input with crossbow for GPS, or GPS only from the GRT Sport backup. The main discrepancy on the display is that the GPS track on the Cheltons (green diamond) and the GPS track on the GRT Sport (two independent GPSs) agree. Somehow the GPS track as passed to the AP always displays about 10 degrees "right" of the GPS track on the Chelton and the Sport. In summary the GPS tracks on the Chelton and GRT displays agree but the GPS track as shown on the TT AP always shows about 10 degrees right. I believe this causes the AP hunting. Any thoughts. 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Floscan 201B
Date: May 28, 2011
Just a heads up. Many builders have the GRT EIS 6000 installed with a Floscan 201B as the fuel flow sensor. Another builder had his fail after nine hours and GRT replaced with a Red Cube unit which did not fit the old mounting holes or fuel lines. In case you have an installed 201B and need a replacement out of warranty, you might consider Aircraft Spruce has the new 201B unit for sale for about $210 which should not require making new lines or mounting holes. The floscan device website indicates expected bearing life to exceed 10000 hours. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: May 28, 2011
Subject: Small Drill Driver Recommendation
About a year ago someone on the RV list recommended a small Li Ion drill driver. I looked in the archives but could not find the thread. Anyone out there with a preference on this type of tool? Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: Small Drill Driver Recommendation
Date: May 28, 2011
I bought the blue one from Costco because they usually carry good products. It broke in a week and I had to send it back. Scott S has a Skill brand, I believe, it works well. Maybe I will see if I can break his. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Marks To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com ; rv-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:43 PM Subject: RV10-List: Small Drill Driver Recommendation About a year ago someone on the RV list recommended a small Li Ion drill driver. I looked in the archives but could not find the thread. Anyone out there with a preference on this type of tool? Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 28, 2011
From: vanremog <vanremog(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Small Drill Driver Recommendation
I really like the 12V Milwaukee Li Ion Driver Kit. You can get the kit for less than $100 at Grainger. http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-2401-22-12-Volt-Li-Ion-Compact/dp/B000WI9CIG/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_img_c -GV In a message dated 05/28/11 14:47:36 Pacific Daylight Time, Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com writes: About a year ago someone on the RV list recommended a small Li Ion drill driver. I looked in the archives but could not find the thread. Anyone out there with a preference on this type of tool? Robin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick & Vicki Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Aircraft winch recommendation
Date: May 28, 2011
Looking for winch recommendations for pulling RV-10 into hangar. Dick Sipp RV-10 360 hours inclined hangar ramp ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Leikam <daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Small Drill Driver Recommendation
Date: May 28, 2011
I second the Milwaukee. I have the drill, the driver and the saw which all work with the same battery pack. Very good battery life, size and good quality. David Leikam On May 28, 2011, at 8:10 PM, vanremog wrote: > I really like the 12V Milwaukee Li Ion Driver Kit. You can get the kit for less than $100 at Grainger. > > http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-2401-22-12-Volt-Li-Ion-Compact/dp/B000WI9C IG/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_img_c > > > -GV > > > > In a message dated 05/28/11 14:47:36 Pacific Daylight Time, Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com writes: > About a year ago someone on the RV list recommended a small Li Ion drill driver. I looked in the archives but could not find the thread. Anyone out there with a preference on this type of tool? > > Robin > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RV-List: Small Drill Driver Recommendation
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Date: May 28, 2011
I really like my Hitachi 18V Li-Ion. My son has a 12V & it's nice & light to o, but not as strong, of course. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse(at)itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2011, at 10:56 PM, David Leikam wrote: > I second the Milwaukee. I have the drill, the driver and the saw which al l work with the same battery pack. Very good battery life, size and good qu ality. > > David Leikam > > > > > > > > > On May 28, 2011, at 8:10 PM, vanremog wrote: > >> I really like the 12V Milwaukee Li Ion Driver Kit. You can get the kit f or less than $100 at Grainger. >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-2401-22-12-Volt-Li-Ion-Compact/dp/B000WI9 CIG/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_img_c >> >> >> -GV >> >> >> >> In a message dated 05/28/11 14:47:36 Pacific Daylight Time, Robin@PaintTh eWeb.com writes: >> About a year ago someone on the RV list recommended a small Li Ion drill d river. I looked in the archives but could not find the thread. Anyone out th ere with a preference on this type of tool? >> >> Robin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: May 29, 2011
Dick, Look at the Harbor Freight camouflage winch with remote control for $100, discounted to $70. Works well. I think Tim has this winch also. Jim Berry N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341384#341384 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation
Date: May 29, 2011
I was going to go the winch route and then decided that the eclectic tow bar would be better. Three years later and a hanger change and I am glad I went with the tow bar, a wench would not work very good in my new hanger. My first hanger was a T hanger with the ramp sloping out from the front. My new hanger is square 60X60 and depending on what else I have in the hanger at the time, the plane gets moved around. I know this does not answer your question directly, but it is something to think about. There is a big difference in cost between the winch and the eclectic tow bar....... Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 11:57 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation Dick, Look at the Harbor Freight camouflage winch with remote control for $100, discounted to $70. Works well. I think Tim has this winch also. Jim Berry N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341384#341384 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: May 29, 2011
What powered tow bars are people using on the -10? Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2011, at 2:34 PM, "Rene Felker" wrote: > > I was going to go the winch route and then decided that the eclectic tow bar > would be better. Three years later and a hanger change and I am glad I went > with the tow bar, a wench would not work very good in my new hanger. My > first hanger was a T hanger with the ramp sloping out from the front. My > new hanger is square 60X60 and depending on what else I have in the hanger > at the time, the plane gets moved around. > > I know this does not answer your question directly, but it is something to > think about. > > There is a big difference in cost between the winch and the eclectic tow > bar....... > > Rene' Felker > N423CF > 801-721-6080 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 11:57 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation > > > Dick, > > Look at the Harbor Freight camouflage winch with remote control for $100, > discounted to $70. Works well. I think Tim has this winch also. > > Jim Berry > N15JB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341384#341384 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation
Date: May 29, 2011
This is the one I use. http://www.powertow.com/12V.html Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:50 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation What powered tow bars are people using on the -10? Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2011, at 2:34 PM, "Rene Felker" wrote: > > I was going to go the winch route and then decided that the eclectic tow bar > would be better. Three years later and a hanger change and I am glad I went > with the tow bar, a wench would not work very good in my new hanger. My > first hanger was a T hanger with the ramp sloping out from the front. My > new hanger is square 60X60 and depending on what else I have in the hanger > at the time, the plane gets moved around. > > I know this does not answer your question directly, but it is something to > think about. > > There is a big difference in cost between the winch and the eclectic tow > bar....... > > Rene' Felker > N423CF > 801-721-6080 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 11:57 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation > > > Dick, > > Look at the Harbor Freight camouflage winch with remote control for $100, > discounted to $70. Works well. I think Tim has this winch also. > > Jim Berry > N15JB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341384#341384 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Garmin 900x
Date: May 29, 2011
I have a 900x and can't seem to find what version of software I am running. I think I uploaded the latest version but can't tell for sure. Where in the menu do you find that info? Gary Specketer ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2011
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation
Every time I suggest a hangar wench, my wife vetoes the concept. ;-) She thinks there is a mistress nearby the airport anyway, since I spend so much time there. On 5/29/2011 11:34 AM, Rene Felker wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" > Three years later and a hanger change and I am glad I went > with the tow bar, a wench would not work very good in my new hanger. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation
Date: May 29, 2011
sounds like we have some wusses; just kidding. I am 66 and still muscle my 10 with full fuel in/out the hangar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:12 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation > > This is the one I use. > > http://www.powertow.com/12V.html > > Rene' Felker > N423CF > 801-721-6080 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:50 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation > > > > What powered tow bars are people using on the -10? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 29, 2011, at 2:34 PM, "Rene Felker" wrote: > >> >> I was going to go the winch route and then decided that the eclectic tow > bar >> would be better. Three years later and a hanger change and I am glad I > went >> with the tow bar, a wench would not work very good in my new hanger. My >> first hanger was a T hanger with the ramp sloping out from the front. My >> new hanger is square 60X60 and depending on what else I have in the >> hanger >> at the time, the plane gets moved around. >> >> I know this does not answer your question directly, but it is something >> to >> think about. >> >> There is a big difference in cost between the winch and the eclectic tow >> bar....... >> >> Rene' Felker >> N423CF >> 801-721-6080 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry >> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 11:57 AM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation >> >> >> Dick, >> >> Look at the Harbor Freight camouflage winch with remote control for $100, >> discounted to $70. Works well. I think Tim has this winch also. >> >> Jim Berry >> N15JB >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341384#341384 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation
Date: May 29, 2011
I agree, I am a wuss. But, north facing hanger in the winter made it almost impossible to do it by myself. Now that I have it....I would not do without, just makes it so much easier. I leave it hooked up all the time........except when I fly of course...... Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation sounds like we have some wusses; just kidding. I am 66 and still muscle my 10 with full fuel in/out the hangar. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:12 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation > > This is the one I use. > > http://www.powertow.com/12V.html > > Rene' Felker > N423CF > 801-721-6080 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Kraus > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:50 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation > > > > What powered tow bars are people using on the -10? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 29, 2011, at 2:34 PM, "Rene Felker" wrote: > >> >> I was going to go the winch route and then decided that the eclectic >> tow > bar >> would be better. Three years later and a hanger change and I am glad >> I > went >> with the tow bar, a wench would not work very good in my new hanger. >> My first hanger was a T hanger with the ramp sloping out from the >> front. My new hanger is square 60X60 and depending on what else I >> have in the hanger at the time, the plane gets moved around. >> >> I know this does not answer your question directly, but it is >> something to think about. >> >> There is a big difference in cost between the winch and the eclectic >> tow bar....... >> >> Rene' Felker >> N423CF >> 801-721-6080 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry >> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 11:57 AM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation >> >> >> Dick, >> >> Look at the Harbor Freight camouflage winch with remote control for >> $100, discounted to $70. Works well. I think Tim has this winch also. >> >> Jim Berry >> N15JB >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341384#341384 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Date: May 29, 2011
On 2" ice? On May 29, 2011, at 3:15 PM, "DLM" wrote: > > sounds like we have some wusses; just kidding. I am 66 and still muscle my 10 with full fuel in/out the hangar. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:12 PM > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation > > >> >> This is the one I use. >> >> http://www.powertow.com/12V.html >> >> Rene' Felker >> N423CF >> 801-721-6080 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus >> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:50 PM >> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation >> >> >> What powered tow bars are people using on the -10? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 29, 2011, at 2:34 PM, "Rene Felker" wrote: >> >>> >>> I was going to go the winch route and then decided that the eclectic tow >> bar >>> would be better. Three years later and a hanger change and I am glad I >> went >>> with the tow bar, a wench would not work very good in my new hanger. My >>> first hanger was a T hanger with the ramp sloping out from the front. My >>> new hanger is square 60X60 and depending on what else I have in the hanger >>> at the time, the plane gets moved around. >>> >>> I know this does not answer your question directly, but it is something to >>> think about. >>> >>> There is a big difference in cost between the winch and the eclectic tow >>> bar....... >>> >>> Rene' Felker >>> N423CF >>> 801-721-6080 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry >>> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 11:57 AM >>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation >>> >>> >>> Dick, >>> >>> Look at the Harbor Freight camouflage winch with remote control for $100, >>> discounted to $70. Works well. I think Tim has this winch also. >>> >>> Jim Berry >>> N15JB >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341384#341384 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: May 29, 2011
Subject: Garmin 900x
Gary, Here are some snips from the manual. I believe on the system status page (not sure the exact name of the page) it also shows the version number. If you have not updated the system recently Garmin released version 09 on 4/5/2011. I think version 08 was released very early in 2011. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: Garmin 900x I have a 900x and can't seem to find what version of software I am running. I think I uploaded the latest version but can't tell for sure. Where in the menu do you find that info? Gary Specketer ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation
Date: May 29, 2011
I built my own based on an article in Kitplanes called something like "Build a tow Bar for $10". Mine ran more than that, got the tires with bearings from Harbor Freight, a friend gave me a 24V gearmoter, batteries from Walmart and the 1" square tube for the frame from Lowes. The 24V motor was nice as it gave me 2 speeds. An over-center link keeps it clamped to the front wheel. I've since added LED lights for night use. About $150 I think. The Kitplanes article guy used a windshield wiper motor and made his own sprockets. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ (A wench to operate is extra) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation
Date: May 29, 2011
I don't think we got 2 x 10-6 inches here in AZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)myrv10.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation > > On 2" ice? > > > On May 29, 2011, at 3:15 PM, "DLM" wrote: > >> >> sounds like we have some wusses; just kidding. I am 66 and still muscle >> my 10 with full fuel in/out the hangar. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:12 PM >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation >> >> >>> >>> This is the one I use. >>> >>> http://www.powertow.com/12V.html >>> >>> Rene' Felker >>> N423CF >>> 801-721-6080 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus >>> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:50 PM >>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation >>> >>> >>> >>> What powered tow bars are people using on the -10? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 29, 2011, at 2:34 PM, "Rene Felker" wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I was going to go the winch route and then decided that the eclectic >>>> tow >>> bar >>>> would be better. Three years later and a hanger change and I am glad I >>> went >>>> with the tow bar, a wench would not work very good in my new hanger. >>>> My >>>> first hanger was a T hanger with the ramp sloping out from the front. >>>> My >>>> new hanger is square 60X60 and depending on what else I have in the >>>> hanger >>>> at the time, the plane gets moved around. >>>> >>>> I know this does not answer your question directly, but it is something >>>> to >>>> think about. >>>> >>>> There is a big difference in cost between the winch and the eclectic >>>> tow >>>> bar....... >>>> >>>> Rene' Felker >>>> N423CF >>>> 801-721-6080 >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 11:57 AM >>>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >>>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation >>>> >>>> >>>> Dick, >>>> >>>> Look at the Harbor Freight camouflage winch with remote control for >>>> $100, >>>> discounted to $70. Works well. I think Tim has this winch also. >>>> >>>> Jim Berry >>>> N15JB >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341384#341384 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation
Date: May 29, 2011
" How much is that wench in the window" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 3:25 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation >I built my own based on an article in Kitplanes called something like >"Build > a tow Bar for $10". Mine ran more than that, got the tires with bearings > from Harbor Freight, a friend gave me a 24V gearmoter, batteries from > Walmart and the 1" square tube for the frame from Lowes. The 24V motor was > nice as it gave me 2 speeds. An over-center link keeps it clamped to the > front wheel. I've since added LED lights for night use. About $150 I > think. > The Kitplanes article guy used a windshield wiper motor and made his own > sprockets. > Albert Gardner > N991RV > Yuma, AZ > (A wench to operate is extra) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2011
Subject: Plexi-Prep (Cleaning)
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I'm getting ready to drop the windows into the doors and thought I'd ask a quick question before I do something stupid. What has everyone found to be effective in cleaning the plexi prior to gluing them into place? I want to make sure I'm using something that will clean the surface adequately but not craze the glass. Thanks, Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Plexi-Prep (Cleaning)
Date: May 30, 2011
Do not clean your plexi with any commercial cleaners prior to installing. Many of them have components in them to help in removal of dirt the next time around and leave a clear film that can interfere with adhesion. Clean edges with water and alcohol prior to installing. After cure clean with normal cleaners. I use 3M products available from NAPA. Gary Specketer _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 8:30 AM Subject: RV10-List: Plexi-Prep (Cleaning) I'm getting ready to drop the windows into the doors and thought I'd ask a quick question before I do something stupid. What has everyone found to be effective in cleaning the plexi prior to gluing them into place? I want to make sure I'm using something that will clean the surface adequately but not craze the glass. Thanks, Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "preid" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Plexi-Prep (Cleaning)
Date: May 30, 2011
I sanded the area to be bonded and wiped down the area with alcohol and water. Like Proseal, weldon will bond to anything, just cure more quickly. For sure wipe down the area after sanding and keep it clean but don't use any cleaners before bonding. From: Phillip Perry Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:29 AM Subject: RV10-List: Plexi-Prep (Cleaning) I'm getting ready to drop the windows into the doors and thought I'd ask a quick question before I do something stupid. What has everyone found to be effective in cleaning the plexi prior to gluing them into place? I want to make sure I'm using something that will clean the surface adequately but not craze the glass. Thanks, Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "preid" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Plexi-Prep (Cleaning)
Date: May 30, 2011
forgot to mention. Do not put too much pressure on one area of the plexi as it is being cured, the weldon will get really hot and cause the crazing. I had fingers that were set around the doors and held the plexi in place. As a reminder too- door windows and windscreen are now sold by Desser/Cee Baileys ready to install. I am not selling them but trying to make life easier for anyone behind me. Pascal From: preid Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 8:02 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Plexi-Prep (Cleaning) I sanded the area to be bonded and wiped down the area with alcohol and water. Like Proseal, weldon will bond to anything, just cure more quickly. For sure wipe down the area after sanding and keep it clean but don't use any cleaners before bonding. From: Phillip Perry Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:29 AM Subject: RV10-List: Plexi-Prep (Cleaning) I'm getting ready to drop the windows into the doors and thought I'd ask a quick question before I do something stupid. What has everyone found to be effective in cleaning the plexi prior to gluing them into place? I want to make sure I'm using something that will clean the surface adequately but not craze the glass. Thanks, Phil href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: cabin top filling sealing
From: pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com>
Date: May 30, 2011
I know this has been discussed before but what is the current thinking on a material for filling and sealing the cabin top before application of prime r.Please share your experiences with ease of use and finishing -thanks Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: cabin top filling sealing
Date: May 30, 2011
After the fiberglass work is done around the windows and door, two coats of smooth prime put on with a roller, sand, then epoxy primer. Same for all the fiberglass. Carl RV-8A (650 hrs) RV-10 (getting the fuselage ready for the paint booth. From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 11:56 AM Subject: RV10-List: cabin top filling sealing I know this has been discussed before but what is the current thinking on a material for filling and sealing the cabin top before application of primer.Please share your experiences with ease of use and finishing -thanks Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: engine run ups
Date: May 30, 2011
Just saw a .25 inch half moon in a friend's new prop. I got a smaller similar nick near the tip when doing a hot start and the engine surged. I have received smaller nicks while doing run ups. I know that this goes against my CFI training but for an engine that only I fly I do an ignition check while taxiing and the power check is when power is gradually applied for takeoff. I get the aircraft rolling before applying full power to avoid picking up stones in the prop. Any engine hiccup is cause for an immediate abort. I hardly see a nick anymore. Obviously this technique does not work when flying an unfamiliar aircraft or from a short field but in many cases it protects the prop. After all the blades are about $1500+ each. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "preid" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: cabin top filling sealing
Date: May 30, 2011
Vans tells one to lay epoxy thinned with MEK and brushing it on 3-4 times. It worked for me with minor pinholes. Time consuming and serious attention to detail. I think the filler/ smooth prime idea of rolling it on would be a solution I would consider if I had to do it again. It was cost that stopped me from doing it initially, as epoxy is far less expensive than the cost of cans of smoothprime. From: pilotdds Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: RV10-List: cabin top filling sealing I know this has been discussed before but what is the current thinking on a material for filling and sealing the cabin top before application of primer.Please share your experiences with ease of use and finishing -thanks Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: cabin top filling sealing
Date: May 30, 2011
Hey Jim, First I scuffed up the glaze of the jell coat (I do all sanding with a PorterCable random orbital sander w/ 220 grit pads), which exposes hidden pinholes and gives a good surface for bonding. (all fiberglass) Since I had epoxy/resin (west system) handy, I just mixed up a slurry with microbeads and applied it with a bondo spreader to fill the pinholes. One coat, let it set up, then sand in prep for epoxy primer, which when sanded properly leaves a nice unblemished surface ready for paint. All this fiberglass/paint stuff is pretty labor intensive, but rewarding when you get it right! Later, - Lew ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Quick Build fuselage (landing gear fittings)
From: "billz" <billz(at)roadrunner.com>
Date: May 30, 2011
I'm finally getting around to working on my quick build fuselage. As I've read from others, you start with dis-assembly of some parts, follow the plans to make sure everything is done correctly as you reassemble. I've gotten to the task of removing the landing gear fittings. Boy is this a pain!! I'm having trouble getting the bolts out and am wondering how I'm ever going to get them back in, when the time comes. Any insights on the process of removing these bolts and then getting them back in would be greatly appreciated. I'm sure there are many techniques that work better than what I've been trying. Thanks in advance. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341506#341506 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Small Drill Driver Recommendation
I may have written it - not sure. About 5 years ago, I bought a li-ion driver from Costco - Durofix was the brand, gray 2 tone gray and black. Still love it and it's still going strong. I recently decided to get a second one just so I'd always have one close by. I think it was from Costco too but could have been HomeDepot. Channel Lock is the brand, it's blue, and it came with a variety of features - a 90 deg fitting, LED light, more bits. One small difference - the new blue one has a fwd/rev switch separate from the trigger - thought that would be good. The grey one has a rocker type trigger - press the bottom for fwd, the top for reverse. Challenging to remember which is which so I would initially drive in the wrong direction. Turns out, the ability to toggle between forward and reverse without shifting your grip is more useful than getting it right each time. Plus, the fwd/rev switch on the new blue one is often hit accidently, as is the LED light which I've never needed. Conclusion - I prefer the old one - simple, fewest options, certainly long lasting. On 5/28/2011 6:06 PM, Seano wrote: > I bought the blue one from Costco because they usually carry good > products. It broke in a week and I had to send it back. > Scott S has a Skill brand, I believe, it works well. Maybe I will see > if I can break his. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Robin Marks > *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com ; > rv-list(at)matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:43 PM > *Subject:* RV10-List: Small Drill Driver Recommendation > > About a year ago someone on the RV list recommended a small Li Ion > drill driver. I looked in the archives but could not find the > thread. Anyone out there with a preference on this type of tool? > > Robin > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Quick Build fuselage (landing gear fittings)
Don't do it? Not being trying to be facetious but some disassemble, some don't. On 5/30/2011 3:37 PM, billz wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "billz" > > I'm finally getting around to working on my quick build fuselage. As I've read from others, you start with dis-assembly of some parts, follow the plans to make sure everything is done correctly as you reassemble. I've gotten to the task of removing the landing gear fittings. Boy is this a pain!! > > I'm having trouble getting the bolts out and am wondering how I'm ever going to get them back in, when the time comes. Any insights on the process of removing these bolts and then getting them back in would be greatly appreciated. I'm sure there are many techniques that work better than what I've been trying. > > Thanks in advance. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341506#341506 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: cabin top filling sealing
I used Lohle's Wonderfil product and liked it a lot. What I did on my fiberglass (cowling, top, etc) is start with Wonderfil. It goes on easy like a paste wax. You rub it in and wipe it off. It would seem to be compatible with anything you might put over it. And in fact, is the easiest way to fill any pinholes you may have missed. Just rub a little on to fill the hold and spray whatever you are spraying on top. The paint soaks into the Wonderfill and you can move on. After the Wonderfil, I used a 'high fill' primer product. But when you get to the primer stage, it's a good time to make a decision about paint. DIY or farm it out? What brand? I chose to use a Dupont high fill primer (1480S) that was specifically compatible with most Dupont finishing products including the Imron Elite line I ended up using. Lohle has a high fill primer product but I decided not to use it because I wasn't planning to stay with the Lohle line of products. If you are farming out your painting, you could leave the pinholes and priming to your painter I would assume. They might even prefer it that way... but I don't really know. Bill "found some hangar space at a hard surface airport for final assembly and flight" Watson > I know this has been discussed before but what is the current thinking > on a material for filling and sealing the cabin top before application > of primer.Please share your experiences with ease of use and finishing > -thanks Jim > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "E & T Andrews" <etandrews(at)westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Aircraft winch recommendation
Date: May 31, 2011
Dick I use a simple =2470 winch that I bought from ALDI on special. It runs off a 12 V battery, and has a remote control and cable control feature. I have used the winch for the last 5 months and it works fine. The winch is slow ... but allows me to easily pull my 10 into the hangar by myself. Unrolling the cable is no hassle as there is a dial to turn, which allows the cable to be pulled out by hand in about 15 seconds. Regards Evan RV10 VH-OSH From: Dick & Vicki Sipp Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: Aircraft winch recommendation Looking for winch recommendations for pulling RV-10 into hangar. Dick Sipp RV-10 360 hours inclined hangar ramp ====== Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17610) http://www.pctools.com ====== ====== Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17610) http://www.pctools.com/ ====== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Small Drill Driver Recommendation
I see that some responses are referring to bigger drill/drivers. Here is a picture of the 2 described below. On 5/30/2011 4:01 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > I may have written it - not sure. > > About 5 years ago, I bought a li-ion driver from Costco - Durofix was > the brand, gray 2 tone gray and black. Still love it and it's still > going strong. > > I recently decided to get a second one just so I'd always have one > close by. I think it was from Costco too but could have been > HomeDepot. Channel Lock is the brand, it's blue, and it came with a > variety of features - a 90 deg fitting, LED light, more bits. > > One small difference - the new blue one has a fwd/rev switch separate > from the trigger - thought that would be good. The grey one has a > rocker type trigger - press the bottom for fwd, the top for reverse. > Challenging to remember which is which so I would initially drive in > the wrong direction. > Turns out, the ability to toggle between forward and reverse without > shifting your grip is more useful than getting it right each time. > Plus, the fwd/rev switch on the new blue one is often hit accidently, > as is the LED light which I've never needed. > > Conclusion - I prefer the old one - simple, fewest options, certainly > long lasting. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David <dmaib(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Quick Build fuselage (landing gear fittings)
Date: May 30, 2011
Early in the program, some builders found a few odds and ends under the floorboards when they opened them up. (clecos, rivits, etc.) However, it seems that later on this problem was solved at the QB factory. I started to take mine apart and had a terrible time with the left gear weldment. It was clean under the floor, so I elected not to open up the right side. I felt like I was risking doing some damage while undoing a job that I had paid to have done by the factory. No regrets in my decision and if I were to build another one I would not consider doing it. Some folks planned to put in sound deadening material or insulation while having the floors out. I think that someone on the forum has figured out a way to do that without taking the floors up. In the end, of course, this is a decision you get to make. There are several builders who easily and quickly removed and reinstalled the gear weldments and floors. I was not one of them! Just my $.02 worth. David Maib 40559 Flying On May 30, 2011, at 3:37 PM, billz wrote: > > I'm finally getting around to working on my quick build fuselage. > As I've read from others, you start with dis-assembly of some > parts, follow the plans to make sure everything is done correctly > as you reassemble. I've gotten to the task of removing the landing > gear fittings. Boy is this a pain!! > > I'm having trouble getting the bolts out and am wondering how I'm > ever going to get them back in, when the time comes. Any insights > on the process of removing these bolts and then getting them back > in would be greatly appreciated. I'm sure there are many > techniques that work better than what I've been trying. > > Thanks in advance. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341506#341506 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Small Drill Driver Recommendation
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: May 30, 2011
Bill that's the one I bought and had to return. Maybe I'll get another one if it's working for you. I like the accessories and being able to straighten the handle. Mine broke so fast I was afraid to buy another one. -------- 40936 RV-10 SB N801VR Flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341524#341524 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2011
Subject: Re: Small Drill Driver Recommendation
From: Chris Colohan <rv10(at)colohan.com>
Personally, I have one of these Makita drivers: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=makita+fd01w&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=15995060857694302261&sa=X&ei=tSTkTfHTAob0swOkwqEW&ved=0CFgQ8wIwAQ It works great. The only thing which I'd do differently is have an option for adding a chuck -- having to use hex bits for everything gets old. (Recently I acquired a set of collets for this, perhaps this will make me happier.) Chris On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > About a year ago someone on the RV list recommended a small Li Ion drill > driver. I looked in the archives but could not find the thread. Anyone out > there with a preference on this type of tool? > > > Robin > > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Quick Build fuselage (landing gear fittings)
Date: May 30, 2011
Why disassemble; you paid to have someone else assemble and two other compliance inspections performed. Make a visual inspection but don't undo something for which you already paid. Some take the fuel tanks off the QB wings; again why? They have already been tested at the QB facility. If they leak, it will be your problem now or at some future time.It is possible to create a problem during the tank removal. Some will install a stall warning system; others will rely on an EFIS warning. If you fly the airplane and do not feel the impending stall you are comatose or embalmed. The stick shakes very noticeably. My point is taking everything apart costs you time and money. Taking things apart can also cause problems noticed or unnoticed during reassembly. That's the reason the post annual inspection test flight is one of the riskier of the year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "billz" <billz(at)roadrunner.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 12:37 PM Subject: RV10-List: Quick Build fuselage (landing gear fittings) > > I'm finally getting around to working on my quick build fuselage. As I've > read from others, you start with dis-assembly of some parts, follow the > plans to make sure everything is done correctly as you reassemble. I've > gotten to the task of removing the landing gear fittings. Boy is this a > pain!! > > I'm having trouble getting the bolts out and am wondering how I'm ever > going to get them back in, when the time comes. Any insights on the > process of removing these bolts and then getting them back in would be > greatly appreciated. I'm sure there are many techniques that work better > than what I've been trying. > > Thanks in advance. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341506#341506 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Small Drill Driver Recommendation
Yes, it has worked fine for me so far. I've used the 90deg thing once and that made it worthwhile. That Makita looks real nice. I'd still always want my simple gray one just because at $30, it just does 80% of the jobs outstandingly. I forgot the price on the blue one but I recall it was well priced too. I have a 18volt driver but hardly ever use it on the plane. Built a deck with it but for the plane, the air tools and the little driver for the screws has worked well. Bill On 5/30/2011 6:40 PM, Strasnuts wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Strasnuts" > > Bill that's the one I bought and had to return. Maybe I'll get another one if it's working for you. I like the accessories and being able to straighten the handle. Mine broke so fast I was afraid to buy another one. > > -------- > 40936 > RV-10 SB N801VR Flying > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Quick Build fuselage (landing gear fittings)
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: May 30, 2011
I was one of those that put insulation under the floor. If you want to go that route you can drill out some of the rivets and pull the aft edge of the floor boards up, without completely removing them. Use the rivet lines on the bottom to make templates for pieces of insulation to fit between the stiffeners. If you don't want insulation, just tape a section of 1" tubing to your shop vac. and slide it through the lightening holes to suck out anything left under the floors by the QB guys. Either way, there is no need to remove the landing gear fittings. Jim Berry N15JB

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