RV10-Archive.digest.vol-ih
July 11, 2011 - July 20, 2011
RV10-Archive.digest.vol-ih
July 11, 2011 - July 20, 2011
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From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: Re: External Brake Lines - crack
Date: Jul 11, 2011
I believe that Vans is using poor quality tubing. In production aircraft
they use 5052 based alum tubing. Vans supplies 301 based soft tubing. So I
have decided to not use any tubing material from Vans and order all 5052
tubing that one can get a good flare on with out the worries of cracking
like the 301 based tubing.
I will use Teflon hosed with fire sleeve on all fluid hoses in the engine
compartment.
Just my 3 cents worth
John Cumins
President
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: External Brake Lines - crack
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I think the decision ..... flex or hard ..... probably boiled down to weight
and cost, and the hard lines win on both counts.
Hard line failures on certified aircraft happen..... but mostly with many,
many hours on them. I have no data, but I'd bet money on the RV brake line
failures on poor flaring technique, or cheap equipment.
Scoring the tubing with the flaring tool clamp is just asking for a stress
fracture. For me it's really difficult to get a flare I'm happy with. I
had to clean up my Rolo-Flair dies because of marks on the tubing.
Linn
On 7/9/2011 11:56 PM, William Curtis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: William Curtis
>
> Kelly,
>
>
> I beg to differ but in certified aircraft that I am familiar, (Cessna)
> flexible lines are used only where absolutely necessary. The
> preference by certified aircraft designers is to use hard lines as
> much as practicable if only so that there is no life limit on the
> line.
>
> This was driven home to me when I stood on the rear door of a C-17 and
> looked up at all the hydraulic plumbing. With all those movable parts
> and doors, NOT a single flexible line --not even at the actuators.
> Where the line required movement, solid lines with mechanical (banjo
> style) flexible fluid couplings were used. I took a picture of it but
> I have to find it.
>
> I know some Pipers use a short flexible line between their fuel tanks
> and the fuselage fuel coupling. However on the Cardinal that; when in
> doubt I ask "what would Cessna do" just as with Vans, flexible lines
> are kept to a minimum and used only where absolutely necessary.
>
> In the Cardinal fuel system, there are NO flexible lines. In the
> Cardinal electro-hydraulic gear system there are only four short
> flexible lines at the nose and main gear actuators. In the
> retractable gear Cardinal, the brake line in the main gear is a solid
> line. A the top of the RG brake line is a solid mechanical swivel
> fitting and only on the lower portion by the wheel is a short easily
> replaced flexible line used--remember this is a retractable gear
> aircraft.
>
> The point in all this is that hard lines ARE the standard in the
> certified and military world in most areas and flexible lines are the
> exception. Flexible lines are used only where hard lines are
> impractical or expensive such as the movable mechanical (banjo type)
> fluid connectors.
>
> Just an alternative $0.02.
>
> William
> N237VX
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:25, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen
>>
>> Van's would consider adding flex lines about the same time as they
>> consider stocking the correct nose wheel. They won't change the nose
>> wheel even though the correct one is exactly the same price. Flex
>> lines could add over $100 to the cost, especially if you include flex
>> lines in place of the crummy nylon lines in the cabin. Somehow we
>> have been deluded into wanting durability similar to certified
>> aircraft................what a crazy idea.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, E& T Andrews
wrote:
>> Vans should consider including the
>>> flexible hose lines in the RV10 kit... has this been raised with
>>> Vans before?
>>>
>>> all the best
>>>
>>> Evan Andrews
>
>
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Subject: Interior lights
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2011
My dad and I made these rectangle LED lights for my RV-10. I may make them available
for sale but didn't know if there was a market for them. They should be
a lot cheaper than what's currently out there. I had mine hard anodized black.
I hooked them up on a dimmer and they work great. I have the small size
for the floor lights with 8 LED's and the large have 24.
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40936
RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345972#345972
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_3_252.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_2_148.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_1_926.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_1_128.jpg
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Date: Jul 11, 2011
Subject: Re: Interior lights
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Sean,
Your timing is impeccable. I am about to order the swivel lights that
you have, and was looking around for what to get for dome lights. I
would be interested in natural aluminum color anodizing. Black and
silver is probably plenty for choice. I didn't see a small size in
your photos.
Kelly
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Strasnuts wrote:
>
> My dad and I made these rectangle LED lights for my RV-10. I may make them available
for sale but didn't know if there was a market for them. They should be
a lot cheaper than what's currently out there. I had mine hard anodized black.
I hooked them up on a dimmer and they work great. I have the small size for
the floor lights with 8 LED's and the large have 24.
>
> --------
> 40936
> RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345972#345972
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_3_252.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_2_148.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_1_926.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_1_128.jpg
>
>
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Subject: Re: Interior lights
From: "Strasnuts" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2011
Kelly,
The first pic that is labeled Photo 3 is the 8 LED vs. the 24 bulb on the overhead
on the other pics. Are you going to OSH? I will be there!!!!!!
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40936
RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346002#346002
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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Re: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month
Date: Jul 12, 2011
That brings to mind a whole number of things that required a mustache; door
pins, nose wheel, bulkhead cracks due to poor QC. I could go on but my poi
nt is the -10 is an awesome platform to build on but far from perfect. We
are building experimental aircraft, not factory clones so by all means, exp
eriment (within reason)!
Michael
Sent from my iPad2
On Jul 4, 2011, at 5:42 PM, "John Gonzalez" > wrote:
Way to go Dick!
Think of all the people who have wanted to put a mustache on the Mona Lisa!
Don't mess with DaVinci, Don't mess with Dick's creation.
Thanks William for posting this.
________________________________
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:57:49 -0400
Subject: RV10-List: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month
From: <mailto:wcurtis(at)nerv10.com> wcurtis(at)nerv10.com<mailto:wcurtis(at)nerv10.
com>
st(at)matronics.com>
I don't do Facebook and so have previously ignored the Facebook icon on the
Van's homepage. I decided to take a look at what was out there and I see
Van's has a pretty pointed commentary on Greg's aircraft. The title of the
article is "WHAT PRICE MASTERPIECE?<http://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-air
craft-inc/what-price-masterpiece-by-dick-vangrunsven/237594966250883>"
<http://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-aircraft-inc/what-price-masterpiece-by-
dick-vangrunsven/237594966250883>http://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-aircraf
t-inc/what-price-masterpiece-by-dick-vangrunsven/237594966250883
The article touches on a number of items, increased gross weight, seats, sh
oulder harness and additional fuel tanks in the wings. The additional fuel
in the wings is relevant to Matronics thread 75832<http://www.matronics.co
m/forums/viewtopic.php?t=78532>.
--
William
N40237 - <http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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nics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
m/contribution
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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Re: ATSB Transceiver...
Date: Jul 12, 2011
Matt,
What are you using this with GRT's gear? I've been considering it for some time
but the interface to the Advanced Flight gear seems to be permanently "under
development" so I'm stuck with my 496 for weather.
Sent from my iPad2
On Jul 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, "Matt Dralle" wrote:
>
> At 02:07 PM 7/3/2011 Sunday, you wrote:
>>
>> Have been thinking about doing the same. Are you going with navworx?
>
>
> I ordered the ADS600-B unit from NavWorx:
>
> <http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.asp>http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.asp
>
> Here's their main site:
>
> <http://www.navworx.com/index.asp>http://www.navworx.com/index.asp
>
> They're not exactly cheap. Here's the price list:
>
> <http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/21-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx>http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/21-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx
>
> I also ordered it with the WIFI module and the ARINC-429 for fun.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath
Date: Jul 12, 2011
I never understood why people seemed to generally avoid saying Jan's name when
referring to the engine builder. While dan made the vast majority of poor decisions
in this, Jan was right there beside him encouraging him to keep going.
I remember looking at eggenfellers RV-10 package at the same time as Dan so
we talked a fair amount early on. Neither one of us was a fan of using 1940s
technology in our modern aircraft. But as I poked and prodded Jans solution,
I became very apparent that this was a case of napkin engineering, he not only
couldn't explain why his performance numbers were changing almost weekly, but
I was banned from his user group for asking legitimate questions around the
performance. I was labeled a non-believer and exiled so to speak. So I went
with the safe bet and ordered a new IO540x from Barrett and have never had a
second thought.
Jan would never test his packages himself on aircraft, he refused to post performance
numbers other than ones he developed based on what it should do based
on automotive applications. He changed his design almost yearly and routinely
dropped support for his "legacy" products. His redrive was redesigned almost
as often and each time it was the best design, according to him, while leaving
owners of previous designs high and dry. And now he has pulled the ultimate
in dropping all support and responsibility for past solutions by starting a
new company and closing the old.
As you can tell I have a very low opinion of Jan, he loves to threaten and try
to intimidate if you don't believe what he is shoveling or question it in any
way. Sure there have been successful installs of his package but there appears
to be far more incomplete installations. Even his one time highest supporters
seemed to abandon him after months and years in delivery delays and failed
promises.
This is all my opinion and, In my opinion, Jan was a contributing factor in what
happened and is one of the sleaziest of businessmen out there with no ethics.
I hope karma bites him in the ass hard. Buyer be warned!
Sent from my iPad2
On Jul 3, 2011, at 1:00 AM, "woxofswa" wrote:
>
> I joined the community right before this tragic accident.
>
> Rightly or wrongly, my impression after reading the article is to place more
blame on the engine packager than I previously felt.
>
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> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing
kit in progress.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344762#344762
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Date: Jul 12, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath
Intimidation is perhaps contagious? I don't know. I've never been
involved with the guy. I perhaps shook his hand at Osh that fateful
year... but then spent the rest of my first Osh trip listening to
stories about the guy (including Dan's).
I recognized the sleaze but noticed that people were either strong
'believers' or 'avoiders'. Ironically, people in both camps had been
burnt. Amazing. I'm actually a bit impressed by those who can do this
stuff that well.
He weaves a story we all want to respond to; "with all this fine
automotive engine technology, there has to be a cheaper more efficient
solution than a Lycosaur". Well yeah! Hell Yeah! Then he actually
develops and makes stuff... chips fly, pretty anodized parts are
fabricated, real aircraft are adapted.... all this makes him 'one of us'.
But his marketing and promotion skills tip over into the Svengali camp.
I just went on his Viking site and was transfixed. All this jumbled
content. Some of it broken, some of it not quite working, actually
showing very little, but all of it strangely compelling. Especially to
the person who wants to buy into the core story. I mean his comparative
thrust tests are right out of a carney show. The man knows how to push
buttons. And he makes a living at it I assume. The guy is a small
business entrepreneur, a hands on job creator, a hero!
"Putting information online is damaging to a small business and can end
up hurting the very support you need the most." Really? Have some of
this Kool-aid.
He's really good at stuff that will get the vulnerable in trouble. Run.
On 7/11/2011 11:04 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
>
> I never understood why people seemed to generally avoid saying Jan's name
when referring to the engine builder. While dan made the vast majority of poor
decisions in this, Jan was right there beside him encouraging him to keep going.
I remember looking at eggenfellers RV-10 package at the same time as Dan
so we talked a fair amount early on. Neither one of us was a fan of using 1940s
technology in our modern aircraft. But as I poked and prodded Jans solution,
I became very apparent that this was a case of napkin engineering, he not
only couldn't explain why his performance numbers were changing almost weekly,
but I was banned from his user group for asking legitimate questions around
the performance. I was labeled a non-believer and exiled so to speak. So I went
with the safe bet and ordered a new IO540x from Barrett and have never had
a second thought.
>
> Jan would never test his packages himself on aircraft, he refused to post
performance numbers other than ones he developed based on what it should do based
on automotive applications. He changed his design almost yearly and routinely
dropped support for his "legacy" products. His redrive was redesigned almost
as often and each time it was the best design, according to him, while leaving
owners of previous designs high and dry. And now he has pulled the ultimate
in dropping all support and responsibility for past solutions by starting
a new company and closing the old.
>
> As you can tell I have a very low opinion of Jan, he loves to threaten and
try to intimidate if you don't believe what he is shoveling or question it in
any way. Sure there have been successful installs of his package but there appears
to be far more incomplete installations. Even his one time highest supporters
seemed to abandon him after months and years in delivery delays and failed
promises.
>
> This is all my opinion and, In my opinion, Jan was a contributing factor in
what happened and is one of the sleaziest of businessmen out there with no ethics.
I hope karma bites him in the ass hard. Buyer be warned!
>
>
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Date: Jul 12, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: ATSB Transceiver...
Yes, I have three GRT HX EFIS's in the RV-8 (see attached pictures). According
to GRT, the Navworx transceiver should hook right up to the ARNIC interface and
go. Still haven't gotten my transciever from Navworx yet, though. I ordered
it on 6/10/2011 so its been over a month now... They did charge my credit
card, though... ;-/
Matt
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
At 07:41 PM 7/11/2011 Monday, you wrote:
>
>Matt,
>
> What are you using this with GRT's gear? I've been considering it for some
time but the interface to the Advanced Flight gear seems to be permanently "under
development" so I'm stuck with my 496 for weather.
>
>Sent from my iPad2
>
>On Jul 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, "Matt Dralle" wrote:
>
>>
>> At 02:07 PM 7/3/2011 Sunday, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Have been thinking about doing the same. Are you going with navworx?
>>
>>
>> I ordered the ADS600-B unit from NavWorx:
>>
>> <http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.asp>http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.asp
>>
>> Here's their main site:
>>
>> <http://www.navworx.com/index.asp>http://www.navworx.com/index.asp
>>
>> They're not exactly cheap. Here's the price list:
>>
>> <http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/21-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx>http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/21-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx
>>
>> I also ordered it with the WIFI module and the ARINC-429 for fun.
>>
>> Matt
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Subject: Engine Referral
From: "N306PB" <wrathbun(at)ihtw.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2011
As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an engine.
Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado contact me
privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has been the most frustrating,
disappointing, and infuriating experience of my entire RV-10 build.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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From: "Jerald Folkerts" <jfolkerts1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ATSB Transceiver...
Date: Jul 12, 2011
Matt,
What is the screen in the lower right corner? What are you driving
it with etc.?
Thanks,
Jerry Folkerts
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: ATSB Transceiver...
Yes, I have three GRT HX EFIS's in the RV-8 (see attached pictures).
According to GRT, the Navworx transceiver should hook right up to the ARNIC
interface and go. Still haven't gotten my transciever from Navworx yet,
though. I ordered it on 6/10/2011 so its been over a month now... They did
charge my credit card, though... ;-/
Matt
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
At 07:41 PM 7/11/2011 Monday, you wrote:
>-->
>
>Matt,
>
> What are you using this with GRT's gear? I've been considering it for
some time but the interface to the Advanced Flight gear seems to be
permanently "under development" so I'm stuck with my 496 for weather.
>
>Sent from my iPad2
>
>On Jul 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, "Matt Dralle" wrote:
>
>>
>> At 02:07 PM 7/3/2011 Sunday, you wrote:
>>> -->
>>>
>>> Have been thinking about doing the same. Are you going with navworx?
>>
>>
>> I ordered the ADS600-B unit from NavWorx:
>>
>> <http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.asp>http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.
>> asp
>>
>> Here's their main site:
>>
>> <http://www.navworx.com/index.asp>http://www.navworx.com/index.asp
>>
>> They're not exactly cheap. Here's the price list:
>>
>> <http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/21-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-
>> or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx>http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/2
>> 1-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx
>>
>> I also ordered it with the WIFI module and the ARINC-429 for fun.
>>
>> Matt
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From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 12, 2011
America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
-----Original Message-----
From: N306PB
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
entire RV-10 build.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2011
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to most I
hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
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> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
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>
> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an engine.
Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado contact me
privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has been the most
frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my entire RV-10 build.
>
>
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 12, 2011
I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stock
engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks, like
balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp for
free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I would
go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand new
with full factory warranty.
I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality and
performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
>
> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
entire RV-10 build.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 12, 2011
It could be options. I purchased the new certified IO540 from Vans in 2004
and it was drop shipped from Lycoming to my house. It remained in the crate
until install in 2007; I purchased the hartzell blended airfoil in 2007. No
problems with Vans, but if I wanted electronic ignition, it was not possible
because I had a certified engine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Stephens" <sean(at)stephensville.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
> I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
> most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
> else?
>
> Sean #40303
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
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>> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>>
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>> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>>
>>
>> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
>> engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
>> contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
>> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of
>> my entire RV-10 build.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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Date: Jul 12, 2011
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Many do order form Vans but you are getting a Vanilla set up. With
specialized engine builders you get what you want including custom color,
chrome, Cold Induction etc... You can specify ignition style, preferred
starter and alternator that sort of thing. Often the $ differences are
minimal but these options can add up.
I am a fan of BPE as they have treated me and others I know exceptionally
well and build a heck of an engine with their decades of experience. These
days there are not that many really bad builders because word gets around
quickly. No reason to use an unknown builder as the savings can't be
that significant.
The prop is another story. You have to decide what you want to be swinging.
If it's the Hartzell BA prop then the Vans one time discounted price with
your kit purchase is probably the best deal. I'm not sure about other prop
pricing offered by Vans. I personally think the BA prop is by far the best
value/performance for the $.
Robin
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
> I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
> most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
> else?
>
> Sean #40303
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
>
> >
> > America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
> >
> >
> > As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
> engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
> contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
> entire RV-10 build.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
> >
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 12, 2011
I will tell you that I went the way I did because I researched narrow deck
versus wide deck and was told that narrow was a better core due to cracking.
So, by default new and Vans were removed from my options. I also have the
Eci cylinders, I was concerned with the issues they were having but was
assured that it was not an issue I would need to worry about. I hear I get
about another 2hp per cylinder going this way, I dont care about the power
just cost and reliability over the long run.
See what Vans offers for OSH, they usually have a great package when you buy
both prop and engine, $1000 off I believe.
I bought the prop from Vans BTW.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
>
> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
> engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
> contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
> entire RV-10 build.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 12, 2011
I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than the
Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airshow
special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but for
someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental when
the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an option. With
that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a Vans
certified. BUT it is experimental.
I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well for
such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to mention
that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a little more
than you were able to get it for.
If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was about
the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple vanilla
IO540.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Cumins
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stock
engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks, like
balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp for
free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I would
go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand new
with full factory warranty.
I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality and
performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
>
> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
entire RV-10 build.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2011
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I'm seeing $1,500 - $2,000 too. Nothing in the range of 5-6K.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
> deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than the
> Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airshow
> special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
> For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but for
> someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental when
> the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an option. With
> that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a Vans
> certified. BUT it is experimental.
> I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well for
> such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to mention
> that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a little more
> than you were able to get it for.
> If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
> being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was about
> the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple vanilla
> IO540.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: John Cumins
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stock
> engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks,
> like
> balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp for
> free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I would
> go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
> difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand new
> with full factory warranty.
>
> I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality and
> performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
>
>
> John Cumins
> 40864 Wings
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@**matronics.com<owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-**server(at)matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
> most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
> else?
>
> Sean #40303
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
>
>>
>> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>>
>>
>> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
>>
> engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
> contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
> entire RV-10 build.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091>
>>
>>
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>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Andair Fuel Pump & Filter
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Jul 12, 2011
Hi,
is anyone already flying with the Andair fuel pump & filter installation in the
RV-10? I wonder why there are two "return" lines in the original setup but in
the Andair setup only the internal pump return line.
Any ideas?
Cheers
Mike
--------
RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring)
#511
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346115#346115
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From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 12, 2011
The thunderbolt is not a certified engine it comes from there custom shop
non certified. It was basically the sam3e price as BPE and the Company from
Canada. I want all new parts and BPI cannot due a new 10540 only rebuilds
since Lycoming will not see the new engines as a kit any more.
Yes all company's were offering a OSH discount so when one is ready to order
OSH is the place to buy that's for sure.
John Cumins
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than the
Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airshow
special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but for
someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental when
the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an option. With
that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a Vans
certified. BUT it is experimental.
I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well for
such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to mention
that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a little more
than you were able to get it for.
If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was about
the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple vanilla
IO540.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Cumins
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stock
engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks, like
balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp for
free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I would
go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand new
with full factory warranty.
I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality and
performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
>
> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for
> an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
entire RV-10 build.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 12, 2011
Also when one purchases a core for 6-8k then rebuilds it, which I can do my
self since I am a a&p, and have done a few. The cost difference used ver
new is not that much difference. And I am putting all new equipment in my
-10 so going used on the engine did not get past the auditor (wife). She
was firm about going all new. And I have to agree,
John Cumins
40864 Wings
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm seeing $1,500 - $2,000 too. Nothing in the range of 5-6K.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Pascal wrote:
I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than the
Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airshow
special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but for
someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental when
the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an option. With
that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a Vans
certified. BUT it is experimental.
I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well for
such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to mention
that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a little more
than you were able to get it for.
If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was about
the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple vanilla
IO540.
-----Original Message----- From: John Cumins
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stock
engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks, like
balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp for
free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I would
go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand new
with full factory warranty.
I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality and
performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
-----Original Message----- From: N306PB
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
entire RV-10 build.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 12, 2011
Must be me than.. but I just looked and the difference is as follows:
Thunderbolt website-
Base Price: YIO-540-D4A5
Fuel System:
Injected
Aerobatic Kit:
No
Horsepower:
260
Displacement (Cubic Inches):
540
Stock Compression Ratio:
8.5:1
Cylinder Type:
Parallel Valve
$49,500.00
Vans Website:
Experimental IO-540 260HP (RV-10 only)
Part Number = EA XIO-540-D4A5 RT
Price = $42300.00
IO-540 260HP (RV-10 only)
Part Number = EA IO-540-D4A5 RT
Price = $46050.00
This looks about the same as it was when I was researching the engines.
I can only imagine that if one calls Thunderbolt the difference is less
than?
From: Phillip Perry
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm seeing $1,500 - $2,000 too. Nothing in the range of 5-6K.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Pascal wrote:
I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any
airshow deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000
more than the Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I
throw in the airshow special of $1000 off package that gets up there
even more.
For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but
for someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental
when the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an
option. With that said I have most of this in my engine for far less
than a Vans certified. BUT it is experimental.
I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as
well for such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I
need to mention that they may be surprised to see the price difference
being a little more than you were able to get it for.
If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence
only being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price
was about the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a
simple vanilla IO540.
-----Original Message----- From: John Cumins
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a
stock
engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my
bucks, like
balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp
for
free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I
would
go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx.
$1000-2000
difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally
brand new
with full factory warranty.
I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality
and
performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean
Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as
to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or
something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
-----Original Message----- From: N306PB
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for
an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of
Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them
has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience
of my
entire RV-10 build.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 12, 2011
As an expatriate living/working outside the USA for 16 years, I would
caution anyone doing business outside their country boundaries. If you want
history just check the problems getting Crossflow firewall forward engines
in the USA after they have been paid to the company in Canada. Legal action
across state boundaries is nothing compared to another country's legal
system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
> The thunderbolt is not a certified engine it comes from there custom shop
> non certified. It was basically the sam3e price as BPE and the Company
> from
> Canada. I want all new parts and BPI cannot due a new 10540 only rebuilds
> since Lycoming will not see the new engines as a kit any more.
>
> Yes all company's were offering a OSH discount so when one is ready to
> order
> OSH is the place to buy that's for sure.
>
>
> John Cumins
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
> deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than the
> Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airshow
> special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
> For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but for
> someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental when
> the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an option.
> With
> that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a Vans
> certified. BUT it is experimental.
> I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well
> for
> such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to
> mention
> that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a little more
> than you were able to get it for.
> If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
> being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was about
> the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple vanilla
> IO540.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Cumins
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stock
> engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks,
> like
> balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp for
> free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I would
> go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
> difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand
> new
> with full factory warranty.
>
> I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality and
> performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
>
>
> John Cumins
> 40864 Wings
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
> most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
> else?
>
> Sean #40303
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
>
>>
>> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>>
>>
>> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for
>> an
> engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
> contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
> entire RV-10 build.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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Subject: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 12, 2011
From: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com>
Although we cannot offer new engines anymore because of the end of our
contractual agreement with Lycoming, I can tell you that an overhauled
IO-540 built in this configuration to factory new limits, including new
cylinders, starter, mags, and new fuel injection currently costs $10,000
less than the Thunderbolt option.
I understand that Lycoming very recently passed on a substantial price
increase to their remaining "kit" engine shops. That may be where the
difference is seen between a new engine from a custom builder and
Thunderbolt or Van's assembly line factory engine.
For you new factory engine owners, you might be advised to check Service
Bulletin 240U, in which Lycoming requires the replacement of roller
tappets at prop strike, and they are not cheap. Ouch!
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
Must be me than.. but I just looked and the difference is as follows:
Thunderbolt website-
Base Price: YIO-540-D4A5
Fuel System:
Injected
Aerobatic Kit:
No
Horsepower:
260
Displacement (Cubic Inches):
540
Stock Compression Ratio:
8.5:1
Cylinder Type:
Parallel Valve
$49,500.00
Vans Website:
Experimental IO-540 260HP (RV-10 only)
Part Number = EA XIO-540-D4A5 RT
Price = $42300.00
IO-540 260HP (RV-10 only)
Part Number = EA IO-540-D4A5 RT
Price = $46050.00
This looks about the same as it was when I was researching the engines.
I can only imagine that if one calls Thunderbolt the difference is less
than?
From: Phillip Perry <mailto:philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm seeing $1,500 - $2,000 too. Nothing in the range of 5-6K.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Pascal wrote:
I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than
the Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the
airshow special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but
for someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental
when the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an
option. With that said I have most of this in my engine for far less
than a Vans certified. BUT it is experimental.
I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well
for such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to
mention that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a
little more than you were able to get it for.
If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was
about the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple
vanilla IO540.
-----Original Message----- From: John Cumins
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a
stock
engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks,
like
balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp
for
free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I
would
go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand
new
with full factory warranty.
I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality
and
performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:
America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
-----Original Message----- From: N306PB
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of
Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them
has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of
my
entire RV-10 build.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
From: Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2011
So far I have been really happy with my Aerosport Power IO-540-N1A5
Almost 50 hours on it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:17, "N306PB" wrote:
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an engine.
Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado contact me
privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has been the most
frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my entire RV-10 build.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
>
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Subject: Re: Engine Referral
From: sportflying(at)yahoo.com
Date: Jul 12, 2011
Barrett builds great engines
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com>
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:20:07
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
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Subject: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 12, 2011
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2011
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Now John, you are just trying to curry favor with
Rhonda..................she is on to your schtick already. ;-))
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:11 PM, John Cox wrote:
> Has anyone mentioned a rebuilt Barrett is often better than a brand new
> factory built VANS. It just might have one less rebuild in its lifecycle
> but the tolerances are great. New engines are also prone to "Break-In".
A
> Pre-delivery dyno run, now that sets builders apart. Airshow performers
are
> a good benchmark for pilots who know engines and hang their lives on the
> engine and prop blades. Do research. Get what you pay for.****
>
> ** **
>
> John****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *sportflying(at)yahoo.co
m
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:31 PM
>
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral****
>
> ** **
>
> Barrett builds great engines ****
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry****
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com> ****
>
> *Sender: *owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ****
>
> *Date: *Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:20:07 -0500****
>
> *To: *****
>
> *ReplyTo: *rv10-list(at)matronics.com ****
>
> *Subject: *RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral****
>
> ** **
>
> Although we cannot offer new = engines anymore because of the end of ou
r
> contractual agreement with Lycoming, I = can tell you that an overhaule
d
> IO-540 built in this configuration to = factory new limits, including n
ew
> cylinders, starter, mags, and new fuel injection currently costs $10,000
> less than the Thunderbolt = option.****
>
> ****
>
> I understand that Lycoming very = recently passed on a substantial pric
e
> increase to their remaining = =9Ckit=9D engine shops. That
may be where the
> difference is seen between a = new engine from a custom builder and
> Thunderbolt or Van=99s assembly = line factory engine.****
>
> ****
>
> For you new factory engine owners, = you might be advised to check Serv
ice
> Bulletin 240U, in which Lycoming = requires the replacement of roller
> tappets at prop strike, and they are not cheap. = Ouch!****
>
> ****
>
> Rhonda = Barrett-Bewley****
>
> Barrett Precision Engines, = Inc.****
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com = [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Pascal
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, = 2011 3:55 PM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: = Engine Referral****
>
> ****
>
> Must be me = than.. but I just looked and the difference is as = foll
ows:*
> ***
>
> Thunderbolt = website- ****
>
> *Base = Price: **YIO-540-D4A5** = *****
>
> *Fuel = System:*****
>
> Injected****
>
> *Aerobatic = Kit:*****
>
> No****
>
> *Horsepower:*****
>
> 260****
>
> *Displacement (Cubic Inches):*****
>
> 540****
>
> *Stock = Compression Ratio:*****
>
> 8.5:1<= /font>****
>
> *Cylinder = Type:*****
>
> Parallel = Valve****
>
> $49,500.00****
>
> ****
>
> Vans = Website:****
>
> *Experimental IO-540 260HP (RV-10 = only)*
> Part Number =3D EA XIO-540-D4A5 = RT
> Price =3D = $42300.00 ****
>
> ****
>
> *IO-540 260HP (RV-10 = only)*
> Part Number =3D EA IO-540-D4A5 = RT
> Price =3D = $46050.00 ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> This looks = about the same as it was when I was researching the engine
s.*
> ***
>
> I can only = imagine that if one calls Thunderbolt the difference is le
ss
> than?****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* Phillip Perry ****
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July = 12, 2011 1:21 PM****
>
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com ****
>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral****
>
> ****
>
> I'm seeing $1,500 - $2,000 too. Nothing in the range of = 5-6K.****
>
> On Tue, Jul = 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Pascal wrote
:**
> **
>
>
> I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
> deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than th
e
> Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airsho
w
> special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
> For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but
> for someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental
> when the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an optio
n.
> With = that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a V
ans
> certified. BUT it is experimental.
> I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well
> for such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to
> mention that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a
> little = more than you were able to get it for.
> If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
> being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was abou
t
> the = same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple van
illa
> = IO540.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: John Cumins
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stoc
k
> engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for = my buck
s,
> like
> balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 = h
p
> for
> free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I
> would
> go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. = $1000-2
000
> difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand
> new
> with full factory warranty.
>
> I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality =
and
> performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
>
>
> John Cumins
> 40864 Wings
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as =
to
> most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or = someth
ing
> else?
>
> Sean #40303
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:****
>
> --> = RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal"
>
> America's in = Oklahoma, on = the other hand, has been first rate.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for =
an*
> ***
>
> engine. = Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colo
rado
> contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them =
has
> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of
> my
> entire RV-10 build.****
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D346091#34= 6091
>
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Date: Jul 12, 2011
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
I paid for extra bench running time with BPE so as to leave some of the
break-in to the professionals well before first flight. So far so good.
Robin
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:11 PM, John Cox wrote:
> Has anyone mentioned a rebuilt Barrett is often better than a brand new
> factory built VANS. It just might have one less rebuild in its lifecycle
> but the tolerances are great. New engines are also prone to "Break-In".
A
> Pre-delivery dyno run, now that sets builders apart. Airshow performers
are
> a good benchmark for pilots who know engines and hang their lives on the
> engine and prop blades. Do research. Get what you pay for.****
>
> ** **
>
> John****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *sportflying(at)yahoo.co
m
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:31 PM
>
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral****
>
> ** **
>
> Barrett builds great engines ****
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry****
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com> ****
>
> *Sender: *owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com ****
>
> *Date: *Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:20:07 -0500****
>
> *To: *****
>
> *ReplyTo: *rv10-list(at)matronics.com ****
>
> *Subject: *RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral****
>
> ** **
>
> Although we cannot offer new = engines anymore because of the end of ou
r
> contractual agreement with Lycoming, I = can tell you that an overhaule
d
> IO-540 built in this configuration to = factory new limits, including n
ew
> cylinders, starter, mags, and new fuel injection currently costs $10,000
> less than the Thunderbolt = option.****
>
> ****
>
> I understand that Lycoming very = recently passed on a substantial pric
e
> increase to their remaining = =9Ckit=9D engine shops. That
may be where the
> difference is seen between a = new engine from a custom builder and
> Thunderbolt or Van=99s assembly = line factory engine.****
>
> ****
>
> For you new factory engine owners, = you might be advised to check Serv
ice
> Bulletin 240U, in which Lycoming = requires the replacement of roller
> tappets at prop strike, and they are not cheap. = Ouch!****
>
> ****
>
> Rhonda = Barrett-Bewley****
>
> Barrett Precision Engines, = Inc.****
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com = [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Pascal
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, = 2011 3:55 PM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: = Engine Referral****
>
> ****
>
> Must be me = than.. but I just looked and the difference is as = foll
ows:*
> ***
>
> Thunderbolt = website- ****
>
> *Base = Price: **YIO-540-D4A5** = *****
>
> *Fuel = System:*****
>
> Injected****
>
> *Aerobatic = Kit:*****
>
> No****
>
> *Horsepower:*****
>
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>
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>
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>
> Vans = Website:****
>
> *Experimental IO-540 260HP (RV-10 = only)*
> Part Number =3D EA XIO-540-D4A5 = RT
> Price =3D = $42300.00 ****
>
> ****
>
> *IO-540 260HP (RV-10 = only)*
> Part Number =3D EA IO-540-D4A5 = RT
> Price =3D = $46050.00 ****
>
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> This looks = about the same as it was when I was researching the engine
s.*
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> I can only = imagine that if one calls Thunderbolt the difference is le
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>
> *From:* Phillip Perry ****
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July = 12, 2011 1:21 PM****
>
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com ****
>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral****
>
> ****
>
> I'm seeing $1,500 - $2,000 too. Nothing in the range of = 5-6K.****
>
> On Tue, Jul = 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Pascal wrote
:**
> **
>
>
> I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
> deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than th
e
> Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airsho
w
> special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
> For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but
> for someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental
> when the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an optio
n.
> With = that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a V
ans
> certified. BUT it is experimental.
> I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well
> for such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to
> mention that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a
> little = more than you were able to get it for.
> If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
> being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was abou
t
> the = same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple van
illa
> = IO540.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: John Cumins
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stoc
k
> engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for = my buck
s,
> like
> balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 = h
p
> for
> free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I
> would
> go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. = $1000-2
000
> difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand
> new
> with full factory warranty.
>
> I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality =
and
> performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
>
>
> John Cumins
> 40864 Wings
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as =
to
> most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or = someth
ing
> else?
>
> Sean #40303
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" wrote:****
>
> --> = RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal"
>
> America's in = Oklahoma, on = the other hand, has been first rate.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for =
an*
> ***
>
> engine. = Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colo
rado
> contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them =
has
> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of
> my
> entire RV-10 build.****
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D346091#34= 6091
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Date: Jul 12, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: ATSB Transceiver...
That's a Kenwood DNX-8120 Indash car entertainment system:
http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/2008_Car_Entertainment/DNX8120
I've got the Garmin GPS map up on the display in those pictures. Attached are
a few pictures of some of the other displays. The output on the display including
the Garmin GPS map is also shown on the 7" LCD screen in the pilot's headrest
that the passenger can see. There's also a review cam mounted at the top
of the display in the headrest to give me a check-six view of the passenger.
The Garmin GPS map display nice for passengers that aren't necessarily airplane
savvy. It also shows the altitude and ground speed. I like having the Garmin
map up front too as a cross reference to the GRT mapping. Also, the Garmin
shows Airport names instead of the dopey 4-letter IDs! :-)
On the Kenwood, I've got a 128GB and a 64GB USB thumb drives plugged in and they
contain my whole MP3 music library! It also has XM Radio, HD digital AM/FM,
and plays DVDs. The audio output is mixed through a PS Engineering 3000 intercom
and then into Bose X (upgraded to A20s) NR headphones. The audio is pretty
awesome. Very clear and easy to understand.
By the way, I just got the UPS shipping notification from NavWorx (7/12/2011) on
the ADS-B Transceiver so it took a little over a month from the order to the
shipping. FYI.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
At 10:25 AM 7/12/2011 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>Matt,
> What is the screen in the lower right corner? What are you driving
>it with etc.?
>Thanks,
>Jerry Folkerts
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:43 AM
>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: ATSB Transceiver...
>
>
>Yes, I have three GRT HX EFIS's in the RV-8 (see attached pictures).
>According to GRT, the Navworx transceiver should hook right up to the ARNIC
>interface and go. Still haven't gotten my transciever from Navworx yet,
>though. I ordered it on 6/10/2011 so its been over a month now... They did
>charge my credit card, though... ;-/
>
>Matt
>
>
>At 07:41 PM 7/11/2011 Monday, you wrote:
>>-->
>>
>>Matt,
>>
>> What are you using this with GRT's gear? I've been considering it for
>some time but the interface to the Advanced Flight gear seems to be
>permanently "under development" so I'm stuck with my 496 for weather.
>>
>>Sent from my iPad2
>>
>>On Jul 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, "Matt Dralle" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> At 02:07 PM 7/3/2011 Sunday, you wrote:
>>>> -->
>>>>
>>>> Have been thinking about doing the same. Are you going with navworx?
>>>
>>>
>>> I ordered the ADS600-B unit from NavWorx:
>>>
>>> <http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.asp>http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.
>>> asp
>>>
>>> Here's their main site:
>>>
>>> <http://www.navworx.com/index.asp>http://www.navworx.com/index.asp
>>>
>>> They're not exactly cheap. Here's the price list:
>>>
>>> <http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/21-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600->> or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx>http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/2
>>> 1-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx
>>>
>>> I also ordered it with the WIFI module and the ARINC-429 for fun.
>>>
>>> Matt
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 12, 2011
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
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Subject: Re: Engine Referral
From: "billz" <billz(at)roadrunner.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2011
I've just gone through all the decisions about an engine for my RV-10 and settled
on a Thunderbolt from Lycoming. There are many quality field facilities to
go to, but the price and value lead me to the Thunderbolt. The price was only
a little more than the stock OEM engine, but had the added internal component
balancing, cylinder volumetric balancing and port and polish intake and exhaust
chambers. They are providing the AirFlow Performance injector system, configured
to my spec.
I had many conflicting thoughts concerning engine break-in. I even considered
buying a used engine, run it for a couple of hundred hours then have it overhauled.
I decided to go with extra run-time in the Lycoming test cell. It's only
an extra $200 to have a total of 5 hrs test cell time. This should get me
through the worst of the break-in concerns. I'm having the engine prepared for
long term storage with desiccant plugs and preservation oil in the crankcase
and cylinders. (This was included for free.) This should provide protection
during installation, cowl fitting, etc. I was able to delay delivery and hold
the current price ($43K) for delivery next June, when I expect to be ready for
it. Lycoming will deliver the engine anywhere in the CONUS for a flat $199.
I can't drive there and back for less than that! If anyone is seriously interested
in a Thunderbolt, call Jeff at Lycoming (the Thunderbolt guy) and see
if he will honor that price. The price only changed in the last few days.
Anyway this what I decided to do. Everyone should do what works best for them.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346162#346162
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Date: Jul 12, 2011
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Also makes for safer first flight, when you don't have to rush things
worrying about glazing rings, etc.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:54 PM, John Cox wrote:
>
> Thanks for chiming in. When calculating comparable engine costs, The value of
a solid break-in can often help with other factors to reach TBO with the rings
and related components.
>
>
> John
>
>
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Subject: Re: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 12, 2011
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Bill, the choice of AirFlow Performance is a solid one. Be sure and
research their "balancing their injectors" instructions. If you have
time, their Carolina hospitality is wonderful and the twice a year
training school well worth the time invested. Bring your aircraft!
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of billz
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 7:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine Referral
I've just gone through all the decisions about an engine for my RV-10
and settled on a Thunderbolt from Lycoming. There are many quality
field facilities to go to, but the price and value lead me to the
Thunderbolt. The price was only a little more than the stock OEM
engine, but had the added internal component balancing, cylinder
volumetric balancing and port and polish intake and exhaust chambers.
They are providing the AirFlow Performance injector system, configured
to my spec.
I had many conflicting thoughts concerning engine break-in. I even
considered buying a used engine, run it for a couple of hundred hours
then have it overhauled. I decided to go with extra run-time in the
Lycoming test cell. It's only an extra $200 to have a total of 5 hrs
test cell time. This should get me through the worst of the break-in
concerns. I'm having the engine prepared for long term storage with
desiccant plugs and preservation oil in the crankcase and cylinders.
(This was included for free.) This should provide protection during
installation, cowl fitting, etc. I was able to delay delivery and hold
the current price ($43K) for delivery next June, when I expect to be
ready for it. Lycoming will deliver the engine anywhere in the CONUS
for a flat $199. I can't drive there and back for less than that! If
anyone is seriously interested in a Thunderbolt, call Jeff at Lycoming
(the Thunderbolt guy) and see if he will honor that price. The price
only change!
d in the last few days.
Anyway this what I decided to do. Everyone should do what works best
for them.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346162#346162
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Date: Jul 13, 2011
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
John:
Were you just referenced in the latest Popular Mechanics? In the
article on air safety?
I also have to keep on Rhonda's good side. I bought a Barrett engine
"second hand" and they have been nothing more than great in answering my
questions and helping on the install.
Fred Williams
515FW
See you Sunday at osh.
On 7/12/2011 10:11 PM, John Cox wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cox"
>
> Bill, the choice of AirFlow Performance is a solid one. Be sure and
> research their "balancing their injectors" instructions. If you have
> time, their Carolina hospitality is wonderful and the twice a year
> training school well worth the time invested. Bring your aircraft!
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of billz
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 7:25 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine Referral
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "billz"
>
> I've just gone through all the decisions about an engine for my RV-10
> and settled on a Thunderbolt from Lycoming. There are many quality
> field facilities to go to, but the price and value lead me to the
> Thunderbolt. The price was only a little more than the stock OEM
> engine, but had the added internal component balancing, cylinder
> volumetric balancing and port and polish intake and exhaust chambers.
> They are providing the AirFlow Performance injector system, configured
> to my spec.
>
> I had many conflicting thoughts concerning engine break-in. I even
> considered buying a used engine, run it for a couple of hundred hours
> then have it overhauled. I decided to go with extra run-time in the
> Lycoming test cell. It's only an extra $200 to have a total of 5 hrs
> test cell time. This should get me through the worst of the break-in
> concerns. I'm having the engine prepared for long term storage with
> desiccant plugs and preservation oil in the crankcase and cylinders.
> (This was included for free.) This should provide protection during
> installation, cowl fitting, etc. I was able to delay delivery and hold
> the current price ($43K) for delivery next June, when I expect to be
> ready for it. Lycoming will deliver the engine anywhere in the CONUS
> for a flat $199. I can't drive there and back for less than that! If
> anyone is seriously interested in a Thunderbolt, call Jeff at Lycoming
> (the Thunderbolt guy) and see if he will honor that price. The price
> only change!
> d in the last few days.
>
> Anyway this what I decided to do. Everyone should do what works best
> for them.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346162#346162
>
>
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Date: Jul 13, 2011
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
I would echo Sean on this one.- As many new RV-10's come to the market ma
ke sure you contact and talk to Bart at Aerosport as well. =0A=0AThe great
news is that the companies like Aerosport, Barret and others are growing be
cause they offer great products and great customer service. =0A=0AAerosport
offers rebuilt engines at a great price, they are not listed on his websit
e but the price of his rebuilt and a new prop from Van's is still cheaper t
han the deal that Van's has done in the past. =0A=0A-=0AScott Schmidt=0As
cottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A>From
: Seano =0A>To: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com" =0A>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:18 PM=0A>Subject: Re: RV10-
raunandco.com>=0A>=0A>So far I have been really happy with my Aerosport Pow
er IO-540-N1A5=0A>Almost 50 hours on it.=0A>=0A>Sent from my iPhone=0A>=0A>
On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:17, "N306PB" wrote:=0A>=0A>> -->
RV10-List message posted by: "N306PB" =0A>> =0A>> As Os
hkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an engine.
Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado contact m
e privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has been the m
ost frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my entire RV-
10 build.=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Read this topic online here:=0A>>
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Date: Jul 13, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
I've been amazed at Bart's service so far. Whenever I've
had a question, I call and get an answer. When I've needed
some gaskets or seals, he just sends them without charge.
It's been above and beyond.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 7/13/2011 10:30 AM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> I would echo Sean on this one. As many new RV-10's come to the market
> make sure you contact and talk to Bart at Aerosport as well.
> The great news is that the companies like Aerosport, Barret and others
> are growing because they offer great products and great customer service.
> Aerosport offers rebuilt engines at a great price, they are not listed
> on his website but the price of his rebuilt and a new prop from Van's is
> still cheaper than the deal that Van's has done in the past.
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Seano
> *To:* "rv10-list(at)matronics.com"
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:18 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
> >
>
> So far I have been really happy with my Aerosport Power IO-540-N1A5
> Almost 50 hours on it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:17, "N306PB" > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking
> for an engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out
> of Colorado contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell,
> dealing with them has been the most frustrating, disappointing, and
> infuriating experience of my entire RV-10 build.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> &10-List"
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> href="http://forums.matronics.com" = -->
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Subject: Re: Engine Referral
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2011
Scott,
That wasn't the case at OSH last year. I agree that both Aerosport and Barr
ett do great work. I looked at getting rebuilds from both of them. They we
re both several thousand more than Van's OSH deal. If you are cash strapped
, it's hard to beat Van's OSH special.
With Barrett and Mattituck unable to sell new kits, it makes you wonder how l
ong Aerosport will be able to do the same.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> I would echo Sean on this one. As many new RV-10's come to the market mak
e sure you contact and talk to Bart at Aerosport as well.
> The great news is that the companies like Aerosport, Barret and others are
growing because they offer great products and great customer service.
> Aerosport offers rebuilt engines at a great price, they are not listed on h
is website but the price of his rebuilt and a new prop from Van's is still c
heaper than the deal that Van's has done in the past.
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com
>
> From: Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com>
> To: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com"
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:18 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> So far I have been really happy with my Aerosport Power IO-540-N1A5
> Almost 50 hours on it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:17, "N306PB" wrote:
>
> >
> > As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an e
ngine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado con
tact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has been t
he most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my entire R
V-10 build.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 13, 2011
There is nothing wrong with a old, but in good shape, Narrow deck core.
They are hard to come by but once located by Barrett or other reputable
builder can be made to be very close to new specs.
I have no idea if Lycoming resolved the wide deck cracking issues they
were having, hopefully they have by now. Also older technology are
easier to replace (read less expensive) than the roller-tappets are..
A good engine builder can do wonders with anything given to them, in
some cases better than a new engine from Lycoming that I don=99t
think is even =9Crun in=9D before going out.
New isn=99t always better, reputation of a builder is everything.
You want new, if one can get the Thunderbolt for 2K more than Vans, do
that, If your cash strapped and want new, check out the Vans special at
OSH. If you want a good engine and don=99t care if it=99s
new or rebuilt, call the builders that have come recommended on this
list, you wont be disappointed either way.
From: Bob Leffler
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
Scott,
That wasn't the case at OSH last year. I agree that both Aerosport and
Barrett do great work. I looked at getting rebuilds from both of them.
They were both several thousand more than Van's OSH deal. If you are
cash strapped, it's hard to beat Van's OSH special.
With Barrett and Mattituck unable to sell new kits, it makes you wonder
how long Aerosport will be able to do the same.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Scott Schmidt
wrote:
I would echo Sean on this one. As many new RV-10's come to the market
make sure you contact and talk to Bart at Aerosport as well.
The great news is that the companies like Aerosport, Barret and others
are growing because they offer great products and great customer
service.
Aerosport offers rebuilt engines at a great price, they are not listed
on his website but the price of his rebuilt and a new prop from Van's is
still cheaper than the deal that Van's has done in the past.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com
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From: Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com>
To: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com"
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
So far I have been really happy with my Aerosport Power IO-540-N1A5
Almost 50 hours on it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:17, "N306PB" wrote:
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking
for an engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of
Colorado contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing
with them has been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating
experience of my entire RV-10 build.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 13, 2011
FYI all engines from Lycoming and thunder are ran in a test cell. My
Overhauled engine for my old Cardinal thanks to Chevron was ran for 2
hours and a full report was with the engine. Thunder also runs all
engines I think for the same amount of time. And they will do an
extended run in, I do believe as requested by the purchaser for a cost I
am sure Avgas is way to expensive to do free.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
There is nothing wrong with a old, but in good shape, Narrow deck core.
They are hard to come by but once located by Barrett or other reputable
builder can be made to be very close to new specs.
I have no idea if Lycoming resolved the wide deck cracking issues they
were having, hopefully they have by now. Also older technology are
easier to replace (read less expensive) than the roller-tappets are..
A good engine builder can do wonders with anything given to them, in
some cases better than a new engine from Lycoming that I don=99t
think is even =9Crun in=9D before going out.
New isn=99t always better, reputation of a builder is everything.
You want new, if one can get the Thunderbolt for 2K more than Vans, do
that, If your cash strapped and want new, check out the Vans special at
OSH. If you want a good engine and don=99t care if it=99s
new or rebuilt, call the builders that have come recommended on this
list, you wont be disappointed either way.
From: Bob Leffler <mailto:rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
Scott,
That wasn't the case at OSH last year. I agree that both Aerosport and
Barrett do great work. I looked at getting rebuilds from both of them.
They were both several thousand more than Van's OSH deal. If you are
cash strapped, it's hard to beat Van's OSH special.
With Barrett and Mattituck unable to sell new kits, it makes you wonder
how long Aerosport will be able to do the same.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Scott Schmidt
wrote:
I would echo Sean on this one. As many new RV-10's come to the market
make sure you contact and talk to Bart at Aerosport as well.
The great news is that the companies like Aerosport, Barret and others
are growing because they offer great products and great customer
service.
Aerosport offers rebuilt engines at a great price, they are not listed
on his website but the price of his rebuilt and a new prop from Van's is
still cheaper than the deal that Van's has done in the past.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com
_____
From: Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
So far I have been really happy with my Aerosport Power IO-540-N1A5
Almost 50 hours on it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:17, "N306PB" wrote:
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for
an engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of
Colorado contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing
with them has been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating
experience of my entire RV-10 build.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
>
>
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Subject: Main wheels and brakes
From: "mds4878" <mike(at)profishenterprises.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2011
I just talked to parts at Van's and was told the new RV-10 kits now ship with Matco
wheels and brake kits. I would like to know if this is right and if so witch
wheels and brakes on the Matco site they are.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346221#346221
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Date: Jul 13, 2011
Subject: Re: Main wheels and brakes
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Year and a half ago for mine. I got clevelands.
On Jul 13, 2011 1:46 PM, "mds4878" wrote:
>
> I just talked to parts at Van's and was told the new RV-10 kits now ship
with Matco wheels and brake kits. I would like to know if this is right and
if so witch wheels and brakes on the Matco site they are.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346221#346221
>
>
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Subject: Re: Engine Referral
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 13, 2011
As I'll be shopping for an engine at OSH (mainly because of the Van's special),
this is a timely discussion. So how does the re-built option work? Do you have
to provide the builder a core?
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346226#346226
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Subject: Re: Interior lights
From: "mds4878" <mike(at)profishenterprises.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2011
The lights look great I would buy them.
Mike Schulz
RV-10 #40447
Fuselage almost done.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346227#346227
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Subject: Re: Engine Referral
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2011
You can provide a core, but it isn't a requirement. Naturally there is a price
difference on the two options.
Talk with Rhonda @ Barrett, she can explain the process. Although I end up buying
the Van's special, both Rhonda and Alan were extremely open and answered
any question that I had.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 13, 2011, at 3:22 PM, "tsts4" wrote:
>
> As I'll be shopping for an engine at OSH (mainly because of the Van's special),
this is a timely discussion. So how does the re-built option work? Do you
have to provide the builder a core?
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346226#346226
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Jul 13, 2011
Subject: Re: Interior lights
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I'm sure I'd buy two or three.
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:36 PM, mds4878 wrote:
>
> The lights look great I would buy them.
>
>
> Mike Schulz
> RV-10 #40447
> Fuselage almost done.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346227#346227
>
>
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Date: Jul 13, 2011
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Referral
Here is my 2c worth. In 2009, i went with the Van's special, as the
default option. I wish I had known more about the Thunderbolt option. If
the cost really was only marginally more, I would have seriously
considered that route. However, i thought the difference was more along
the lines of a few thousand, esp. give the extra $1k with prop offer.
The Thunderbolt options vs factory seems to give you:
- more customization: AirFlow FI, dsesicant plugs (i had to find my
own), maybe custom colors, and maybe more hand-holding. clearly, the
Lycoming factory is setup to drop ship engines to the Cessna factory or
some other production facility.
- $200 for 5 hours. what a deal! Factory does a 1 hour test run, i
believe.
- I had to do more install work like the engine mount ears (took a
bit of work) and FI unit.
In '09, i did talk with Aerosport, esp. about a rebuild. However, the
main issue was the availability of cores. Their supply was up and down.
The early builders had their pick of cores, but supply quickly disappeared.
Jae
40533
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Date: Jul 13, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Rapco brake linings and discs now available
As you know if you've read my write-ups, I've been
bugging Rapco for 4 or 5 years to start making the
66-112 brake linings for us so we have an alternate
price and supply. The Cleveland ones go in and out
of stock too often and the price is top dollar.
I got a set of the new Rapco linings and replaced
my discs at the same time since I scored one of
them on the first brake pad run....running the rivets
into the discs.
So here's a write-up with pictures of the new
discs.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20110711/index.html
If you haven't seen the brake lining replacement write-up,
also follow the link to that one from within this page.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Re: ATSB Transceiver...
Date: Jul 13, 2011
Guess I'll be looking at a NavWorx after all. Turns out AFS got weather working
in the last couple months. Sweet!
I'm doing something similar with the radio. I originally started with a slide
out receiver with a 7" screen that I picked up 5 or 6 years ago. It has a couple
of external boxes and a boat load of wires running between them. I recently
switched to a double DIN unit with no external boxes and a much cleaner install,
same size screen, and less than half what I paid for the original. I'll
be using a dock for my Sirius radio so I can move it between my truck/bike/
RV-10 and not have to pay the fees for three radios.
Michael
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Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 7:52 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: ATSB Transceiver...
That's a Kenwood DNX-8120 Indash car entertainment system:
http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/2008_Car_Entertainment/DNX8120
I've got the Garmin GPS map up on the display in those pictures. Attached are
a few pictures of some of the other displays. The output on the display including
the Garmin GPS map is also shown on the 7" LCD screen in the pilot's headrest
that the passenger can see. There's also a review cam mounted at the top
of the display in the headrest to give me a check-six view of the passenger.
The Garmin GPS map display nice for passengers that aren't necessarily airplane
savvy. It also shows the altitude and ground speed. I like having the Garmin
map up front too as a cross reference to the GRT mapping. Also, the Garmin
shows Airport names instead of the dopey 4-letter IDs! :-)
On the Kenwood, I've got a 128GB and a 64GB USB thumb drives plugged in and they
contain my whole MP3 music library! It also has XM Radio, HD digital AM/FM,
and plays DVDs. The audio output is mixed through a PS Engineering 3000 intercom
and then into Bose X (upgraded to A20s) NR headphones. The audio is pretty
awesome. Very clear and easy to understand.
By the way, I just got the UPS shipping notification from NavWorx (7/12/2011) on
the ADS-B Transceiver so it took a little over a month from the order to the
shipping. FYI.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
At 10:25 AM 7/12/2011 Tuesday, you wrote:
>-->
>
>Matt,
> What is the screen in the lower right corner? What are you
>driving it with etc.?
>Thanks,
>Jerry Folkerts
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:43 AM
>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: ATSB Transceiver...
>
>
>Yes, I have three GRT HX EFIS's in the RV-8 (see attached pictures).
>According to GRT, the Navworx transceiver should hook right up to the
>ARNIC interface and go. Still haven't gotten my transciever from
>Navworx yet, though. I ordered it on 6/10/2011 so its been over a
>month now... They did charge my credit card, though... ;-/
>
>Matt
>
>
>At 07:41 PM 7/11/2011 Monday, you wrote:
>>-->
>>
>>Matt,
>>
>> What are you using this with GRT's gear? I've been considering it
>> for
>some time but the interface to the Advanced Flight gear seems to be
>permanently "under development" so I'm stuck with my 496 for weather.
>>
>>Sent from my iPad2
>>
>>On Jul 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, "Matt Dralle" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> At 02:07 PM 7/3/2011 Sunday, you wrote:
>>>> -->
>>>>
>>>> Have been thinking about doing the same. Are you going with navworx?
>>>
>>>
>>> I ordered the ADS600-B unit from NavWorx:
>>>
>>> <http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.asp>http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.
>>> asp
>>>
>>> Here's their main site:
>>>
>>> <http://www.navworx.com/index.asp>http://www.navworx.com/index.asp
>>>
>>> They're not exactly cheap. Here's the price list:
>>>
>>> <http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/21-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600
>>> ->>
>>> or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx>http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/
>>> 2 1-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx
>>>
>>> I also ordered it with the WIFI module and the ARINC-429 for fun.
>>>
>>> Matt
>
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Date: Jul 13, 2011
From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Interior lights
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I made these rectangle LED lights for my RV-10.- I may make them availab
le for sale but didn't know if there was a market for them.- They should
be a lot cheaper than what's currently out there.- I had mine hard anodiz
ed black.- I hooked them up on a dimmer and they work great.- I have th
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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Engine Referral
Date: Jul 13, 2011
Same with Barrett's, always available for questions and if I need something I need
seals or to borrow a tool they always send it. You can't beat the family
run shops that take pride in their work!
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I've been amazed at Bart's service so far. Whenever I've had a question, I call
and get an answer. When I've needed some gaskets or seals, he just sends them
without charge.
It's been above and beyond.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 7/13/2011 10:30 AM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> I would echo Sean on this one. As many new RV-10's come to the market
> make sure you contact and talk to Bart at Aerosport as well.
> The great news is that the companies like Aerosport, Barret and others
> are growing because they offer great products and great customer service.
> Aerosport offers rebuilt engines at a great price, they are not listed
> on his website but the price of his rebuilt and a new prop from Van's
> is still cheaper than the deal that Van's has done in the past.
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com
>
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> *From:* Seano
> *To:* "rv10-list(at)matronics.com"
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:18 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
> >
>
> So far I have been really happy with my Aerosport Power IO-540-N1A5
> Almost 50 hours on it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:17, "N306PB" > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking
> for an engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out
> of Colorado contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell,
> dealing with them has been the most frustrating, disappointing, and
> infuriating experience of my entire RV-10 build.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Date: Jul 13, 2011
Subject: Re: Main wheels and brakes
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
I just got mine in a few weeks ago and they were Matco. I will look at
which ones they are specifically when I get out to the hanger this evening.
I left them in the box.
Shannon
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:36 PM, mds4878 wrote:
>
> I just talked to parts at Van's and was told the new RV-10 kits now ship
> with Matco wheels and brake kits. I would like to know if this is right and
> if so witch wheels and brakes on the Matco site they are.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346221#346221
>
>
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Date: Jul 13, 2011
Subject: Re: Interior lights
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
Count me in for a pair as well.
Shannon
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:36 PM, mds4878 wrote:
>
> The lights look great I would buy them.
>
>
> Mike Schulz
> RV-10 #40447
> Fuselage almost done.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346227#346227
>
>
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Subject: Re: Engine Referral
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2011
I got the afp injection on the vans osh special. It also was run for two hours.
It was almost $4k cheaper than the thunderbolt when I ordered mine last year.
Look me up at camp Scholler if you want more details. I suspect my tent will be
near where the old rv-10 hq used to be, or within a street or two.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 13, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Jae Chang wrote:
>
> Here is my 2c worth. In 2009, i went with the Van's special, as the default option.
I wish I had known more about the Thunderbolt option. If the cost really
was only marginally more, I would have seriously considered that route. However,
i thought the difference was more along the lines of a few thousand, esp.
give the extra $1k with prop offer.
>
> The Thunderbolt options vs factory seems to give you:
> - more customization: AirFlow FI, dsesicant plugs (i had to find my own),
maybe custom colors, and maybe more hand-holding. clearly, the Lycoming factory
is setup to drop ship engines to the Cessna factory or some other production
facility.
> - $200 for 5 hours. what a deal! Factory does a 1 hour test run, i believe.
> - I had to do more install work like the engine mount ears (took a bit of
work) and FI unit.
>
> In '09, i did talk with Aerosport, esp. about a rebuild. However, the main issue
was the availability of cores. Their supply was up and down. The early builders
had their pick of cores, but supply quickly disappeared.
>
> Jae
> 40533
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "John MacCallum" <vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au>
Subject: Re: Interior lights
Date: Jul 14, 2011
Me as well J
Cheers
John MacCallum
Builder # 41016
VH-DUU
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2011 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Interior lights
Count me in for a pair as well.
Shannon
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:36 PM, mds4878
wrote:
The lights look great I would buy them.
Mike Schulz
RV-10 #40447
Fuselage almost done.
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From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rapco brake linings and discs now available
Date: Jul 13, 2011
Desser sells the Rapco's as a reminder.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rapco brake linings and discs now available
As you know if you've read my write-ups, I've been
bugging Rapco for 4 or 5 years to start making the
66-112 brake linings for us so we have an alternate
price and supply. The Cleveland ones go in and out
of stock too often and the price is top dollar.
I got a set of the new Rapco linings and replaced
my discs at the same time since I scored one of
them on the first brake pad run....running the rivets
into the discs.
So here's a write-up with pictures of the new
discs.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20110711/index.html
If you haven't seen the brake lining replacement write-up,
also follow the link to that one from within this page.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 13, 2011
Subject: Re: Main wheels and brakes
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
It turned out that the main wheels and brakes that I received from Van's
were Grove.
2 ea 60-2M Wheel Assy
2 ea 36-2M Caliper Assy
020-006 Torque Plate Ass
Let me know if you want some photos.
Shannon
On Jul 13, 2011 4:16 PM, "Shannon Hicks" wrote:
> I just got mine in a few weeks ago and they were Matco. I will look at
> which ones they are specifically when I get out to the hanger this
evening.
> I left them in the box.
>
> Shannon
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:36 PM, mds4878 wrote:
>
>>
>> I just talked to parts at Van's and was told the new RV-10 kits now ship
>> with Matco wheels and brake kits. I would like to know if this is right
and
>> if so witch wheels and brakes on the Matco site they are.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346221#346221
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: Re: Main wheels and brakes
From: "mds4878" <mike(at)profishenterprises.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2011
Your right the lady told me the wrong name it is Grove.
Thanks for the info.
--------
RV-10 #40447
Fuselage almost done.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346254#346254
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Date: Jul 13, 2011
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Rapco brake linings and discs now available
Desser gave me a very nice deal on tires and tubes, buying their
standard recaps exchanged for worn out cores. I've had very good service
from their recaps here in Aridzona heat, much better than new tires.
IIRC the exchange price gave about $10 credit for each core.
On 7/13/2011 2:34 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> Desser sells the Rapco's as a reminder.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Tim Olson Sent: Wednesday, July 13,
> 2011 1:19 PM To: RV10 Subject: RV10-List: Rapco brake linings and
> discs now available
>
> As you know if you've read my write-ups, I've been
> bugging Rapco for 4 or 5 years to start making the
> 66-112 brake linings for us so we have an alternate
> price and supply. The Cleveland ones go in and out
> of stock too often and the price is top dollar.
> I got a set of the new Rapco linings and replaced
> my discs at the same time since I scored one of
> them on the first brake pad run....running the rivets
> into the discs.
>
> So here's a write-up with pictures of the new
> discs.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20110711/index.html
>
> If you haven't seen the brake lining replacement write-up,
> also follow the link to that one from within this page.
>
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Date: Jul 13, 2011
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: Main wheels and brakes
Interesting. Grove are supposed to be very nice. I can't believe Vans
would switch from Cleveland for any reason other than money.
On 7/13/2011 4:00 PM, mds4878 wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "mds4878"
>
> Your right the lady told me the wrong name it is Grove.
> Thanks for the info.
>
> --------
> RV-10 #40447
> Fuselage almost done.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346254#346254
>
>
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From: "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net>
Subject: Re: Main wheels and brakes
Date: Jul 13, 2011
I see Grove has a very simple nose wheel setup for the 10 with the ability
to upgrade the axel to prevent it from rotating and uses standard felt
seals, unlike the matco wheel.
Looks like I will go the matco route when I get there for nose gear.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Main wheels and brakes
Interesting. Grove are supposed to be very nice. I can't believe Vans would
switch from Cleveland for any reason other than money.
On 7/13/2011 4:00 PM, mds4878 wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "mds4878"
>
> Your right the lady told me the wrong name it is Grove.
> Thanks for the info.
>
> --------
> RV-10 #40447
> Fuselage almost done.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346254#346254
>
>
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Subject: Spacers under windows
From: Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 13, 2011
Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and airplane again.......
Curious to know how many people installed washers under their plexiglas at the
time they were installed. Mine sit proud enough as it is and I'd really prefer
not to use them if possible. Any results from those who didn't use them and
how long have you been flying?
Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
Phil
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 14, 2011
Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
:)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
>
> Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and airplane
> again.......
>
> Curious to know how many people installed washers under their plexiglas at
> the time they were installed. Mine sit proud enough as it is and I'd really
> prefer not to use them if possible. Any results from those who didn't use
> them and how long have you been flying?
>
> Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
>
> Phil
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
Date: Jul 14, 2011
I did not use spacers... but did level out the recessed areas with
flox using the windows as forms
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
>
> :)
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry
> wrote:
>
> Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and
> airplane again.......
>
> Curious to know how many people installed washers under their
> plexiglas at the time they were installed. Mine sit proud enough as
> it is and I'd really prefer not to use them if possible. Any
> results from those who didn't use them and how long have you been
> flying?
>
> Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
>
> Phil
>
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Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Jul 14, 2011
As I recall, the only reason to use spacers is if the plexi sits below the fiberglass.
Jim Berry
N15JB
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Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Date: Jul 14, 2011
I didn't use spacers at all on any windows.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 14, 2011, at 12:40 PM, "Jim Berry" wrote:
>
> As I recall, the only reason to use spacers is if the plexi sits below the fiberglass.
>
> Jim Berry
> N15JB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346330#346330
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Spacers under windows
Date: Jul 14, 2011
I used one or two total for all 4 windows..if I remember correctly. J
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
:)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and airplane
again.......
Curious to know how many people installed washers under their plexiglas at
the time they were installed. Mine sit proud enough as it is and I'd really
prefer not to use them if possible. Any results from those who didn't use
them and how long have you been flying?
Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
Phil
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From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
Date: Jul 14, 2011
Be sure to add two one inch biased glass strips around the external frame to
prevent the flange line appearing out of the paint in a hindered hours or
so.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Spacers under windows
>
> As I recall, the only reason to use spacers is if the plexi sits below the
> fiberglass.
>
> Jim Berry
> N15JB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346330#346330
>
>
>
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From: "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com>
Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
Date: Jul 14, 2011
I did use spacers but thinking back I wish I would have let the plexi sit
low and carve a little of the cabin down to accept the thickness of the
glass tape around the windows. That way it wouldn't have been such a big
job to transition the hump out of the glass tape around the windows to the
cabin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Spacers under windows
>
> As I recall, the only reason to use spacers is if the plexi sits below the
> fiberglass.
>
> Jim Berry
> N15JB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346330#346330
>
>
>
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From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
Date: Jul 14, 2011
The purpose of the spacers is to fill a gap. Sounds like that is not
your issue. Leave it I say!
From: Phillip Perry
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
:)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry
wrote:
Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and
airplane again.......
Curious to know how many people installed washers under their
plexiglas at the time they were installed. Mine sit proud enough as it
is and I'd really prefer not to use them if possible. Any results from
those who didn't use them and how long have you been flying?
Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
Phil
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Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 14, 2011
No washers, just the thicker Weld-On 45 to fill any gaps.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09.
Fuselage Sec 46 Eng mount/Gear- 1359 hrs to date.
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From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
Date: Jul 14, 2011
No washers and no Weld-On. I used Hysol
(http://shop.lancair.com/inventoryD.asp?item_no=9360-QT&CatId={992B7B06-E01B
-4918-BB0C-79343CDB7869}
adding just a little flox to thicken as required (this is enough Hysol for 2
or 3 RV-10s). I used clamps to make the glass panels flush with the canopy
cut outs, letting it sit for 24 hours before removing the clamps. The Hysol
is full strength after a week or so. I did add a narrow two bid layup over
the window/canopy junction to prevent the window paint cracking problem.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (650 hrs)
RV-10 (moving the fuselage into the paint booth this weekend)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10flyer
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:37 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Spacers under windows
No washers, just the thicker Weld-On 45 to fill any gaps.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09.
Fuselage Sec 46 Eng mount/Gear- 1359 hrs to date.
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Subject: TIRES AND TUBES
From: "mds4878" <mike(at)profishenterprises.com>
Date: Jul 14, 2011
I'm looking at Michelin Aviator tires.
My question is Leakguard tubes or Michelin tubes and why?
Also is Michelin good or bad.
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Date: Jul 14, 2011
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: TIRES AND TUBES
I don't know the answer to your question, but it got me to thinking ....
which may not be a good thing.
I wonder why we can't use the tire puncture sealer in a can to seal the
standard aircraft tube? You should be able to use one can to seal all
three tubes. You could distribute the sealer inside the tube really
well before installing the tubes in the tire.
Also Michelin makes Airstop tubes. I think the Leakguard are Aero Classic.
Linn
On 7/14/2011 9:47 PM, mds4878 wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "mds4878"
>
> I'm looking at Michelin Aviator tires.
> My question is Leakguard tubes or Michelin tubes and why?
> Also is Michelin good or bad.
>
> --------
> RV-10 #40447
> Fuselage almost done.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346418#346418
>
>
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Date: Jul 14, 2011
Subject: Re: TIRES AND TUBES
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Leakguard work fine. They may be sourced through Desser's recap division.
Depends on what objective is for tire. Most cost effective, or top of the
line, what ever perceived benefit that is, or something else. If you want
aramid belted, top of the line Goodyear is the only one. If you want new but
low cost, Condor(by Michelin) through Desser is probably best buy. Or if you
are okay with recap, Desser on W coast or Wilkerson on E coast are your
sources. Van supplies Specialty Tires(aka McCreary) which seem to be
favorite of flight schools.
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
> I don't know the answer to your question, but it got me to thinking ....
> which may not be a good thing.
> I wonder why we can't use the tire puncture sealer in a can to seal the
> standard aircraft tube? You should be able to use one can to seal all three
> tubes. You could distribute the sealer inside the tube really well before
> installing the tubes in the tire.
>
> Also Michelin makes Airstop tubes. I think the Leakguard are Aero Classic.
> Linn
>
>
> On 7/14/2011 9:47 PM, mds4878 wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "mds4878"<mike@**profishenterprises.com
>> >
>>
>> I'm looking at Michelin Aviator tires.
>> My question is Leakguard tubes or Michelin tubes and why?
>> Also is Michelin good or bad.
>>
>> --------
>> RV-10 #40447
>> Fuselage almost done.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=346418#346418>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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Subject: Re: TIRES AND TUBES
From: "mds4878" <mike(at)profishenterprises.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2011
I was just going by the name and really don't know what tire to buy.
The plane will be at a grass strip as long as I own it and will probably see hard
surface strips 30% of it's landings. Everybody's input will be looked at and
considered.
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From: "Jerry Calvert" <rv6(at)att.net>
Subject: TIRES AND TUBES
Date: Jul 15, 2011
Michelin Airstop tubes on my RV6 for the last six years. May have added a
little air twice at the most. They just don't leak.
Jerry Calvert
Edmond Ok
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: TIRES AND TUBES
Leakguard work fine. They may be sourced through Desser's recap division.
Depends on what objective is for tire. Most cost effective, or top of the
line, what ever perceived benefit that is, or something else. If you want
aramid belted, top of the line Goodyear is the only one. If you want new but
low cost, Condor(by Michelin) through Desser is probably best buy. Or if you
are okay with recap, Desser on W coast or Wilkerson on E coast are your
sources. Van supplies Specialty Tires(aka McCreary) which seem to be
favorite of flight schools.
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Linn Walters
wrote:
I don't know the answer to your question, but it got me to thinking ....
which may not be a good thing.
I wonder why we can't use the tire puncture sealer in a can to seal the
standard aircraft tube? You should be able to use one can to seal all three
tubes. You could distribute the sealer inside the tube really well before
installing the tubes in the tire.
Also Michelin makes Airstop tubes. I think the Leakguard are Aero Classic.
Linn
On 7/14/2011 9:47 PM, mds4878 wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "mds4878"
I'm looking at Michelin Aviator tires.
My question is Leakguard tubes or Michelin tubes and why?
Also is Michelin good or bad.
--------
RV-10 #40447
Fuselage almost done.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346418#346418
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Date: Jul 15, 2011
Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Thanks for the feedback. One last question.
What can I use to wipe off wet Weld-on? I'm thinking I'll wipe the oozing
off with acetone on the interior and exterior sides.
Is there something that works better?
Phil
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pascal wrote:
> The purpose of the spacers is to fill a gap. Sounds like that is not
> your issue. Leave it I say!
>
>
> *From:* Phillip Perry
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:55 AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
>
> I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
>
> :)
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
>
>>
>> Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and airplane
>> again.......
>>
>> Curious to know how many people installed washers under their plexiglas at
>> the time they were installed. Mine sit proud enough as it is and I'd really
>> prefer not to use them if possible. Any results from those who didn't use
>> them and how long have you been flying?
>>
>> Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
>>
>> Phil
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From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Spacers under windows
Date: Jul 15, 2011
Acetone is very hard on Acrylic. It will cause chemical crazing. I would
recommend something else.
Gary Specketer
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
Thanks for the feedback. One last question.
What can I use to wipe off wet Weld-on? I'm thinking I'll wipe the oozing
off with acetone on the interior and exterior sides.
Is there something that works better?
Phil
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pascal wrote:
The purpose of the spacers is to fill a gap. Sounds like that is not your
issue. Leave it I say!
From: Phillip <mailto:philperry9(at)gmail.com> Perry
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
:)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and airplane
again.......
Curious to know how many people installed washers under their plexiglas at
the time they were installed. Mine sit proud enough as it is and I'd really
prefer not to use them if possible. Any results from those who didn't use
them and how long have you been flying?
Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
Phil
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Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
From: "g.combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2011
Phil acetone is very bad for acrylic.
I would avoid the Weld on and use
Lord urethane adhesive. Stronger than
Weld on and you get a longer cure time
And you can clean the oozing off with
Enamel reducer. Ppg dt 870 is what
I used. Will not hurt the acrylic
Geoff
Sent from my iPhone Geoff
On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback. One last question.
>
> What can I use to wipe off wet Weld-on? I'm thinking I'll wipe the oozing
off with acetone on the interior and exterior sides.
>
> Is there something that works better?
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pascal wrote:
> The purpose of the spacers is to fill a gap. Sounds like that is not your i
ssue. Leave it I say!
>
>
> From: Phillip Perry
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:55 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
>
> I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
>
> :)
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
>
> Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and airplane a
gain.......
>
> Curious to know how many people installed washers under their plexiglas at
the time they were installed. Mine sit proud enough as it is and I'd reall
y prefer not to use them if possible. Any results from those who didn't use
them and how long have you been flying?
>
> Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
>
> Phil
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Date: Jul 15, 2011
Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
I hope denatured alcohol isn't a problem. That's what I cleaned the mating
surfaces with last night.
Phil
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM, g.combs wrote:
> Phil acetone is very bad for acrylic.
> I would avoid the Weld on and use
> Lord urethane adhesive. Stronger than
> Weld on and you get a longer cure time
> And you can clean the oozing off with
> Enamel reducer. Ppg dt 870 is what
> I used. Will not hurt the acrylic
> Geoff
>
> Sent from my iPhone Geoff
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback. One last question.
>
> What can I use to wipe off wet Weld-on? I'm thinking I'll wipe the oozing
> off with acetone on the interior and exterior sides.
>
> Is there something that works better?
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pascal <
> rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> The purpose of the spacers is to fill a gap. Sounds like that is not
>> your issue. Leave it I say!
>>
>>
>> *From:* Phillip Perry
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:55 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
>>
>> I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry <
>> philperry9(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> philperry9(at)gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and airplane
>>> again.......
>>>
>>> Curious to know how many people installed washers under their plexiglas
>>> at the time they were installed. Mine sit proud enough as it is and I'd
>>> really prefer not to use them if possible. Any results from those who
>>> didn't use them and how long have you been flying?
>>>
>>> Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
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From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
Date: Jul 15, 2011
I used a 50/50 mixture of acetone and mineral spirits to clear away the
west system epoxy.
----- Original Message -----
From: gary
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
Acetone is very hard on Acrylic. It will cause chemical crazing. I
would recommend something else.
Gary Specketer
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:00 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
Thanks for the feedback. One last question.
What can I use to wipe off wet Weld-on? I'm thinking I'll wipe the
oozing off with acetone on the interior and exterior sides.
Is there something that works better?
Phil
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pascal wrote:
The purpose of the spacers is to fill a gap. Sounds like that is not
your issue. Leave it I say!
From: Phillip Perry
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:55 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
:)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry
wrote:
Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and
airplane again.......
Curious to know how many people installed washers under their
plexiglas at the time they were installed. Mine sit proud enough as it
is and I'd really prefer not to use them if possible. Any results from
those who didn't use them and how long have you been flying?
Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
Phil
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From: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Spacers under windows
Date: Jul 15, 2011
Phil I would be careful with that as well. That can affect some acrylics.
Sometimes it can cause crazing later on in the
Life of the window.
Geoff
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
I hope denatured alcohol isn't a problem. That's what I cleaned the mating
surfaces with last night.
Phil
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM, g.combs
wrote:
Phil acetone is very bad for acrylic.
I would avoid the Weld on and use
Lord urethane adhesive. Stronger than
Weld on and you get a longer cure time
And you can clean the oozing off with
Enamel reducer. Ppg dt 870 is what
I used. Will not hurt the acrylic
Geoff
Sent from my iPhone Geoff
On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. One last question.
What can I use to wipe off wet Weld-on? I'm thinking I'll wipe the oozing
off with acetone on the interior and exterior sides.
Is there something that works better?
Phil
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pascal <
rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> wrote:
The purpose of the spacers is to fill a gap. Sounds like that is not your
issue. Leave it I say!
From: Phillip <mailto:philperry9(at)gmail.com> Perry
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
:)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry <
philperry9(at)gmail.com> wrote:
philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and airplane
again.......
Curious to know how many people installed washers under their plexiglas at
the time they were installed. Mine sit proud enough as it is and I'd really
prefer not to use them if possible. Any results from those who didn't use
them and how long have you been flying?
Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
Phil
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Date: Jul 15, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
Kerosene is what you want.
Tim
On 7/15/2011 1:57 PM, Geoff Combs wrote:
> Phil I would be careful with that as well. That can affect some
> acrylics. Sometimes it can cause crazing later on in the
>
> Life of the window.
>
> Geoff
>
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> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Phillip Perry
> *Sent:* Friday, July 15, 2011 2:27 PM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
>
> I hope denatured alcohol isn't a problem. That's what I cleaned the
> mating surfaces with last night.
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM, g.combs > wrote:
>
> Phil acetone is very bad for acrylic.
>
> I would avoid the Weld on and use
>
> Lord urethane adhesive. Stronger than
>
> Weld on and you get a longer cure time
>
> And you can clean the oozing off with
>
> Enamel reducer. Ppg dt 870 is what
>
> I used. Will not hurt the acrylic
>
> Geoff
>
> Sent from my iPhone Geoff
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Phillip Perry > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback. One last question.
>>
>> What can I use to wipe off wet Weld-on? I'm thinking I'll wipe the
>> oozing off with acetone on the interior and exterior sides.
>>
>> Is there something that works better?
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pascal
>> <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
>> > wrote:
>>
>> The purpose of the spacers is to fill a gap. Sounds like that is not
>> your issue. Leave it I say!
>>
>> *From:*Phillip Perry
>>
>> *Sent:*Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:55 AM
>>
>> *To:*rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
>>
>> I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry
>> <philperry9(at)gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> <philperry9(at)gmail.com
>> >
>>
>> Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and
>> airplane again.......
>>
>> Curious to know how many people installed washers under their
>> plexiglas at the time they were installed. Mine sit proud enough as it
>> is and I'd really prefer not to use them if possible. Any results from
>> those who didn't use them and how long have you been flying?
>>
>> Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
>>
>> Phil
>>
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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: TIRES AND TUBES
Date: Jul 16, 2011
Scary, I've actually wondered the same thing about using Slime in the tubes for
a little added protection from grass strips or errant FOD. I would think the
major issues would be, weight, rapid acceleration of the tire, and any temperature
issues. Thoughts anyone?
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: TIRES AND TUBES
-->
I don't know the answer to your question, but it got me to thinking ....
which may not be a good thing.
I wonder why we can't use the tire puncture sealer in a can to seal the standard
aircraft tube? You should be able to use one can to seal all three tubes.
You could distribute the sealer inside the tube really well before installing
the tubes in the tire.
Also Michelin makes Airstop tubes. I think the Leakguard are Aero Classic.
Linn
On 7/14/2011 9:47 PM, mds4878 wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by:
> --> "mds4878"
>
> I'm looking at Michelin Aviator tires.
> My question is Leakguard tubes or Michelin tubes and why?
> Also is Michelin good or bad.
>
> --------
> RV-10 #40447
> Fuselage almost done.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
Date: Jul 16, 2011
I'm wondering if the spacers were needed with the old style tops more than the
current gen. Mine was first gen and needed space but In my Weld-On rush I forgot
to add them back in so mine ended up a bit low. You have such little room
between the door frame and the side windows I wasn't keen on cutting it out for
the tap and risk weakening the structure so I just built it up as is.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Seano
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Spacers under windows
I did use spacers but thinking back I wish I would have let the plexi sit low and
carve a little of the cabin down to accept the thickness of the glass tape
around the windows. That way it wouldn't have been such a big job to transition
the hump out of the glass tape around the windows to the cabin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:40 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Spacers under windows
>
> As I recall, the only reason to use spacers is if the plexi sits below the
> fiberglass.
>
> Jim Berry
> N15JB
>
>
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>
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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Re: Main gear fire
Date: Jul 16, 2011
At least they have it by the quart now, when I picked it up a few years back
they only had it by the gallon. I should have enough to do several aircraft at
this point. :)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Main gear fire
On 7/9/2011 2:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I can't find the flash point on the 83282 stuff, but, this link says
> it's over 200F HIGHER than the 5606.
Skygeek has some specs on it:
http://www.skygeek.com/royco-782-synthetic-fire-resistant-hydraulic-fluid.html
then click the "Specifications" tab.
Flash point 218C, 424F
Fire point 251C, 483F
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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Subject: Re: TIRES AND TUBES
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jul 15, 2011
Some years ago we put a Michelin tire on the nose, after a brand new Goodyear was
obviously out of round. It did seem a little better balanced than the typical
Goodyears we had been using.
Even more years ago, Aviation Consumer did an article on tires. Their conclusion:
The better (more expensive) tires were much more resistant to atmospheric contaminants
(ozone, uv light). The inexpensive tires could die of old age (sidewall
cracking) before their tread wore out. So their recommendation was that
if you did a lot of landings (flight school) then the cheaper tires were a better
deal, because you'd wear out the tread before they had a chance to die from
old age. Of course, where you live (near a chemical plant?) and whether or not
the plane is hangared factor in, too.
As I recall, they rated Desser's Monster Retread a "best buy".
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346611#346611
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Date: Jul 16, 2011
From: Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
Geoff,
-
Where can we overseas types get Lord adhesives; their website doesn't provi
de that info?
-
Many thanks,
-
Rodger
In storm cast Oz
--- On Fri, 15/7/11, g.combs wrote:
From: g.combs <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
Date: Friday, 15 July, 2011, 20:02
Phil acetone is very bad for acrylic.
I would avoid the Weld on and use
Lord -urethane adhesive. Stronger than
Weld on and you get a longer cure time
And you can clean the oozing off with
Enamel reducer. Ppg dt 870 is what
I used. Will not hurt the acrylic
Geoff
Sent from my iPhone Geoff
On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
Thanks for the feedback.- One last question.
What can I use to wipe off wet Weld-on?- I'm thinking I'll wipe the oozin
g off with acetone on the interior and exterior sides.
Is there something that works better?
Phil
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pascal wrote:
The purpose of the spacers is to fill a gap. Sounds like that is not your i
ssue. Leave it I say!
-
-
From: Phillip Perry
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
-
I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
:)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and airplane a
gain.......
Curious to know how many people installed washers under their plexiglas at
the time they were installed.- Mine sit proud enough as it is and I'd rea
lly prefer not to use them if possible.- Any results from those who didn'
t use them and how long have you been flying?
Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
Phil
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Subject: Cleaning Cannulas
From: "n277dl" <dljinia(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2011
For those of you that regularly use O2, how do you clean the cannulas?
I purchased a portable Aerox system for the 7A 4-5 years ago when my son flew it
out to Las Vagas but I have never used it.
I'm thinking of giving the O2 a try in the -10 to see how well my wife and I can
tolerate the cannulas and they need a good cleaning before we give O2 a try.
Doug
180 hrs in year one. What a great plane!
--------
Doug
"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346717#346717
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Date: Jul 16, 2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Cannulas
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
I use 91% isopropyl alcohol. Would use pure if there was a handy source.
Just good rub down with the alcohol with cotton swab or paper towel. Qtip
would probably be best.
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 7:33 PM, n277dl wrote:
>
> For those of you that regularly use O2, how do you clean the cannulas?
>
> I purchased a portable Aerox system for the 7A 4-5 years ago when my son
> flew it out to Las Vagas but I have never used it.
>
> I'm thinking of giving the O2 a try in the -10 to see how well my wife and
> I can tolerate the cannulas and they need a good cleaning before we give O2
> a try.
>
> Doug
>
> 180 hrs in year one. What a great plane!
>
> --------
> Doug
> "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always find
> ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346717#346717
>
>
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From: Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Cannulas
I have been on O2 11 hours in the last 2 days. Really helps with freshness
and alertness. 13,500 CA to Atlanta and beyond.
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Jul 16, 2011, at 10:55 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
I use 91% isopropyl alcohol. Would use pure if there was a handy source.
Just good rub down with the alcohol with cotton swab or paper towel. Qtip
would probably be best.
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 7:33 PM, n277dl wrote:
>
> For those of you that regularly use O2, how do you clean the cannulas?
>
> I purchased a portable Aerox system for the 7A 4-5 years ago when my son
> flew it out to Las Vagas but I have never used it.
>
> I'm thinking of giving the O2 a try in the -10 to see how well my wife and
> I can tolerate the cannulas and they need a good cleaning before we give O2
> a try.
>
> Doug
>
> 180 hrs in year one. What a great plane!
>
> --------
> Doug
> "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always find
> ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346717#346717
>
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From: "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Cleaning Cannulas
Date: Jul 16, 2011
When asked what the best thing in my airplane is......I say the O2 system.
12 hours on O2 in the past two weeks. I use alcohol swabs to clean them
off.......but have ones assigned to the family and only clean the "spares"
that other people use.
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n277dl
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Cleaning Cannulas
For those of you that regularly use O2, how do you clean the cannulas?
I purchased a portable Aerox system for the 7A 4-5 years ago when my son
flew it out to Las Vagas but I have never used it.
I'm thinking of giving the O2 a try in the -10 to see how well my wife and I
can tolerate the cannulas and they need a good cleaning before we give O2 a
try.
Doug
180 hrs in year one. What a great plane!
--------
Doug
"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will
always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346717#346717
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From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: OSH camping
Date: Jul 16, 2011
Anyone in the RV10 area have room on your campsite for a 5 x 7 tent ? I
just got an opportuniy to fly to OSH in a Grumman Albatross HU-16B
arriving July 24-25 and departing July 31. Not certain of the ride yet.
want to look at the aircraft and read about the type.
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From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: OSH camping
Date: Jul 16, 2011
My 10 went to Arlington this year and is in the hangar awaiting the
repaired Trutrak Digiflite VSGV.
David N46007
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Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
From: "g.combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Date: Jul 17, 2011
Rodger I will check into this and let you know.
Geoff
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 16, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Rodger Todd wrote:
> Geoff,
>
> Where can we overseas types get Lord adhesives; their website doesn't prov
ide that info?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Rodger
> In storm cast Oz
> --- On Fri, 15/7/11, g.combs wrote:
>
> From: g.combs <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
> To: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com"
> Date: Friday, 15 July, 2011, 20:02
>
> Phil acetone is very bad for acrylic.
> I would avoid the Weld on and use
> Lord urethane adhesive. Stronger than
> Weld on and you get a longer cure time
> And you can clean the oozing off with
> Enamel reducer. Ppg dt 870 is what
> I used. Will not hurt the acrylic
> Geoff
>
> Sent from my iPhone Geoff
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the feedback. One last question.
>>
>> What can I use to wipe off wet Weld-on? I'm thinking I'll wipe the oozin
g off with acetone on the interior and exterior sides.
>>
>> Is there something that works better?
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pascal wrote:
>> The purpose of the spacers is to fill a gap. Sounds like that is not your
issue. Leave it I say!
>>
>>
>> From: Phillip Perry
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:55 AM
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
>>
>> I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry wrote
:
>>
>> Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and airplane
again.......
>>
>> Curious to know how many people installed washers under their plexiglas a
t the time they were installed. Mine sit proud enough as it is and I'd real
ly prefer not to use them if possible. Any results from those who didn't us
e them and how long have you been flying?
>>
>> Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
>>
>> Phil
>>
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Subject: Re: Cleaning Cannulas
From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2011
Unless you are sharing cannulas with someone who has Tb or HIV, alcohol is perfectly
adequate.
Jim Berry
N15JB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346778#346778
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From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Cleaning Cannulas
Date: Jul 17, 2011
Clorehexidine Peridex or Cidex would work well and can be purchased from a
dental supply house. Use a Q-tip and a paper towel.
With all cleaning methods=2C be careful that you do not get the solution be
tween the thin ballon inside the rubber housing. If the ballon ends up stic
king to the outside housing the ballon will not deflate when you inhale and
you will not be getting the O2. Running nose=2C food=2C or Gatoraid will
do the same thing causing it to stick to the housing.
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cleaning Cannulas
> From: jimberry(at)qwest.net
> Date: Sun=2C 17 Jul 2011 10:01:24 -0700
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Unless you are sharing cannulas with someone who has Tb or HIV=2C alcohol
is perfectly adequate.
>
> Jim Berry
> N15JB
>
>
>
>
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From: "John MacCallum" <vk2gcn(at)cirruscomms.com.au>
Subject: Circuit Diagram Software
Date: Jul 18, 2011
G'day all,
It's time for me to actually make up some circuit diagrams for my RV10. Can
someone suggest a good software package that has
The required symbols etc for Aeronautical use and doesn't cost the earth ?
Cheers
John MacCallum
Builder # 41016
VH-DUU
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Subject: Re: Cleaning Cannulas
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>
Date: Jul 17, 2011
drug store alcohol.
We have the Aerox cannulas too, and I can say you will love them. They are so non-intrusive
that I frequently don't even both to take it off until after I've
landed. My wife used to get headaches above 10,000'; just a few wiffs of oxygen
and she is good as new.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346800#346800
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Subject: Re: OSH camp conditions report
From: "Ron B." <ronbelliveau(at)eastlink.ca>
Date: Jul 17, 2011
Tim
Making plans for our first time flying into Oshkosh. We tried for Sun n Fun this
spring but only made it to South Carolina, LUCKLY. We cannot leave before next
Sunday afternoon at the earliest. I would like to arrive at Oshkosh early in
the morning to avoid the mad rush and get situated. That being said it would
have to be Tuesday morning. I would like to camp near the other RV-10s , any
chance that might happen? Any tips/help would be greatly appreciated.
Ron in Nova Scotia
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346822#346822
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From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: OSH camping
Date: Jul 17, 2011
Just to confirm I will need a tent spot for the week from 7/24 through
7/30. The aircraft will be parked in the War Bird section N10019; the
19th Grumman HU16B Albatross produced in 1951. R1820 radial engines of
1475 HP each. It will be the gray ghost until it returns to the Grumman
factory for a repaint. My phone is 480-626-4048 if you have extra space.
----- Original Message -----
From: DLM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:16 PM
Subject: RV10-List: OSH camping
My 10 went to Arlington this year and is in the hangar awaiting the
repaired Trutrak Digiflite VSGV.
David N46007
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2011
From: David Hertner <effectus(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Second Ride In 7.5 Years
Hi Everyone,
Just want to give a big THANKS!!! to Ivan
Kristensen for giving my son Thomas and I a
wonderful flight in his beautiful bird this
evening. This is only the second flight for me in
an RV-10 and the first for Thomas. Both of us were
astounded at the quality of flight and the
roominess of the plane.
Thank You Ivan for a most needed motivational
flight so late in my lengthy construction.
Dave and Thomas Hertner
Just about to put fuel in the tanks.
#40164
*
*
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Date: Jul 18, 2011
From: Rodger Todd <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Spacers under windows
Thanks very much,
-
Rodger
--- On Sun, 17/7/11, g.combs wrote:
From: g.combs <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
Date: Sunday, 17 July, 2011, 16:15
Rodger I will check into this and let you know.-
Geoff
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 16, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Rodger Todd wrote:
Geoff,
-
Where can we overseas types get Lord adhesives; their website doesn't provi
de that info?
-
Many thanks,
-
Rodger
In storm cast Oz
--- On Fri, 15/7/11, g.combs wrote:
From: g.combs <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
Date: Friday, 15 July, 2011, 20:02
Phil acetone is very bad for acrylic.
I would avoid the Weld on and use
Lord -urethane adhesive. Stronger than
Weld on and you get a longer cure time
And you can clean the oozing off with
Enamel reducer. Ppg dt 870 is what
I used. Will not hurt the acrylic
Geoff
Sent from my iPhone Geoff
On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
Thanks for the feedback.- One last question.
What can I use to wipe off wet Weld-on?- I'm thinking I'll wipe the oozin
g off with acetone on the interior and exterior sides.
Is there something that works better?
Phil
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pascal wrote:
The purpose of the spacers is to fill a gap. Sounds like that is not your i
ssue. Leave it I say!
-
-
From: Phillip Perry
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
-
I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
:)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and airplane a
gain.......
Curious to know how many people installed washers under their plexiglas at
the time they were installed.- Mine sit proud enough as it is and I'd rea
lly prefer not to use them if possible.- Any results from those who didn'
t use them and how long have you been flying?
Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
Phil
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From: "John J" <n212pj(at)gmail.com>
Subject: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference
Date: Jul 18, 2011
Done...
John J
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference
I just submitted a comment. It took about 5 minutes. Guys, we all
need to doing this. Pass it on, too.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2011
I submitted a comment as well.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
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Date: Jul 18, 2011
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference
Done. Thanks.
On 7/18/2011 9:14 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> The FCC has an open comment period now for this whole
> Lightsquared mess. Here's the link, and you enter 11-109
> in the proceeding number field.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2011
Subject: Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Ditto
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:03 PM, tsts4 wrote:
>
> I submitted a comment as well.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346904#346904
>
>
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Subject: Re: OSH camp conditions report
From: "Ron B." <ronbelliveau(at)eastlink.ca>
Date: Jul 18, 2011
Thanks Tim
Yes I think we plan on camping with out RV-10. I've never stayed overnight while
at Oshkosh. I think we miss out on meeting a lot of people. I'm going to Oshkosh
this year to hopefully meet with guy's like you and others I corresponded
with on the various forums. I just received news that a prior commitment has
been postponed so I can leave whenever I want now. What day would you suggest
we arrive in order to get a half decent site and avoid the masses in arrival.
Thanks Ron
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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: Re: OSH camp conditions report
Date: Jul 19, 2011
Hopefully the overall weather improves. North of OSH we've had severe thunderstorms,
some tornados, high 90's with humidity near 100% the last couple days
and the heat index is supposed to be in the 115 range this week. Of course last
week it was in the 70's and I had my windows open and the AC shut down. No
flooding though, that was a few weeks back. :)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron B.
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: OSH camp conditions report
Thanks Tim
Yes I think we plan on camping with out RV-10. I've never stayed overnight while
at Oshkosh. I think we miss out on meeting a lot of people. I'm going to Oshkosh
this year to hopefully meet with guy's like you and others I corresponded
with on the various forums. I just received news that a prior commitment has
been postponed so I can leave whenever I want now. What day would you suggest
we arrive in order to get a half decent site and avoid the masses in arrival.
Thanks Ron
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Roberts" <swrpilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Oshkosh Cookout
Date: Jul 18, 2011
Are there any plans to get together for a cookout this year? We will be
there all week staying over by the museum.
Last year's cookouts were great but I know a tremendous amount of effort
went into them.
Perhaps we could make it BYO everything including food and chairs if we had
a grill available and a place/time to meet.
Steve Roberts
RV-10 Tailkit
1966 Mooney M20E 'Ms. Obsession' KMOR Morristown TN
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill(at)cox.net>
Subject: GPS
Date: Jul 19, 2011
I'm in there!
Chris Hukill
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OSH camp conditions report
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2011
Tim Olson wrote:
> Personally, I love it when it's busy, other than when some schmo takes a digger
on the runway and causes the traffic to back up over Ripon, but I'm a bit weird
that way.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
Or get behind a J-3 Cub. He has to fly almost straight down to get up to an airspeed
equal to our stall speed [Mr. Green]
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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Subject: Re: So did they really rename Aeroshell Square?
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2011
Yep, IIRC sometime earlier this year EAA made an announcement about the change.
I also seemed to recall the major concern was whether the AeroShell cow posters
would still be available. :D
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OSH Notam
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2011
They've already announced that they are ditching the current OSHKOSH365 software
after our continual complaints on how crappy it is. However, they haven't announced
what the replacement will be although if I was a betting man I'd place
my money on some version of vBulletin. They also had originally wanted to re-launch
prior to AirVenture but it doens't look like that's going to happen.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2011
Subject: Re: Oshkosh Cookout
From: Bob Condrey <condreyb(at)gmail.com>
There are no specific plans at this point. We do however have space
available in Camp Scholler if you'd like to put something together.
Bob
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Steve Roberts wrote:
>
> Are there any plans to get together for a cookout this year? We will be
> there all week staying over by the museum.
>
> Last year's cookouts were great but I know a tremendous amount of effort
> went into them.
>
> Perhaps we could make it BYO everything including food and chairs if we had
> a grill available and a place/time to meet.
>
> Steve Roberts
> RV-10 Tailkit
> 1966 Mooney M20E 'Ms. Obsession' KMOR Morristown TN
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: My "fix" for dragging brakes
From: "billz" <billz(at)roadrunner.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2011
I've been reading about the various dragging brake issues on the forum, talked
with several folks and experienced the problem with a friend's RV-10.
1. I found out, from the folks at Matco, that it is critical for the master cylinder
to fully extend when pressure is removed from the brake pedals. The last
1/16th in. of piston extension is needed for fluid to bypass internally allowing
the brake pads to retract. It doesn't take much to keep pressure on the
brake pads. My friend fixed his with a spring arrangement on the pedals.
2. I also learned that minimizing friction in the brake pedals is important. They
should move freely with no binding. All bolt holes should be properly drilled
to assure free movement. The bolts should not be overly tightened, to minimize
drag.
3. The Van's design uses two short AN3 bolts on each side of the bottom of the
pedals. This can result in some minor twisting that can add resistance to the
pedal movement. Matco suggested replacing these with one long bolt. (I purchased
AN3-60 bolts, $10 each) I also used some aluminum tubing over the bolt
to provide a spacer inside the pedal flanges. I found springs at McMaster (part
# 9271K542 and 9271K542, 270 deg, left and right hand). These were put over
the through bolt and aluminum tube. The springs I settled on (to get enough
return force) were larger inside diameter than the aluminum tube so I found some
old garden hose to put over the tubing as a spacer.
As you can see from the pictures, the springs provide return force and work nicely
to provide positive pressure on the pedal and master cylinders. So far, it
seems like a "no drag" configuration. Since I'm not flying, a final report
will have to wait for the future. Does all this make sense from what others have
learned from experience??
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347079#347079
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Date: Jul 19, 2011
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: My "fix" for dragging brakes
Your spring idea is good. However placing a compression spring over the
cylinder shaft would be lighter and maybe more effective solution.
Linn
On 7/19/2011 3:53 PM, billz wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "billz"
>
> I've been reading about the various dragging brake issues on the forum, talked
with several folks and experienced the problem with a friend's RV-10.
>
> 1. I found out, from the folks at Matco, that it is critical for the master cylinder
to fully extend when pressure is removed from the brake pedals. The last
1/16th in. of piston extension is needed for fluid to bypass internally allowing
the brake pads to retract. It doesn't take much to keep pressure on the
brake pads. My friend fixed his with a spring arrangement on the pedals.
>
> 2. I also learned that minimizing friction in the brake pedals is important.
They should move freely with no binding. All bolt holes should be properly drilled
to assure free movement. The bolts should not be overly tightened, to
minimize drag.
>
> 3. The Van's design uses two short AN3 bolts on each side of the bottom of the
pedals. This can result in some minor twisting that can add resistance to the
pedal movement. Matco suggested replacing these with one long bolt. (I purchased
AN3-60 bolts, $10 each) I also used some aluminum tubing over the bolt
to provide a spacer inside the pedal flanges. I found springs at McMaster (part
# 9271K542 and 9271K542, 270 deg, left and right hand). These were put over
the through bolt and aluminum tube. The springs I settled on (to get enough
return force) were larger inside diameter than the aluminum tube so I found
some old garden hose to put over the tubing as a spacer.
>
> As you can see from the pictures, the springs provide return force and work nicely
to provide positive pressure on the pedal and master cylinders. So far,
it seems like a "no drag" configuration. Since I'm not flying, a final report
will have to wait for the future. Does all this make sense from what others
have learned from experience??
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347079#347079
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1388_336.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1387_104.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1386_109.jpg
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2011
From: Rick Beebe <richard.beebe(at)yale.edu>
Subject: Re: OSH camp conditions report
On 07/19/2011 08:45 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> To get the best sites, you'd probably want to drop everything
> and leave NOW. But, to avoid the mass arrivals, you probably
> should shoot for Saturday at the very latest.
Mass arrivals:
Saturday 1:00pm - Bonanza & Cherokee
Saturday 2:30pm - Cessna
Saturday 4:00pm - Mooney
Sunday 11:30am - Comanche
Sunday 3:00pm - racers
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: My "fix" for dragging brakes
Date: Jul 19, 2011
I forgot who did that but I've seen it before and it is what I plan to do.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My "fix" for dragging brakes
-->
Your spring idea is good. However placing a compression spring over the cylinder
shaft would be lighter and maybe more effective solution.
Linn
On 7/19/2011 3:53 PM, billz wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "billz"
>
> I've been reading about the various dragging brake issues on the forum, talked
with several folks and experienced the problem with a friend's RV-10.
>
> 1. I found out, from the folks at Matco, that it is critical for the master cylinder
to fully extend when pressure is removed from the brake pedals. The last
1/16th in. of piston extension is needed for fluid to bypass internally allowing
the brake pads to retract. It doesn't take much to keep pressure on the
brake pads. My friend fixed his with a spring arrangement on the pedals.
>
> 2. I also learned that minimizing friction in the brake pedals is important.
They should move freely with no binding. All bolt holes should be properly drilled
to assure free movement. The bolts should not be overly tightened, to
minimize drag.
>
> 3. The Van's design uses two short AN3 bolts on each side of the bottom of the
pedals. This can result in some minor twisting that can add resistance to the
pedal movement. Matco suggested replacing these with one long bolt. (I purchased
AN3-60 bolts, $10 each) I also used some aluminum tubing over the bolt
to provide a spacer inside the pedal flanges. I found springs at McMaster (part
# 9271K542 and 9271K542, 270 deg, left and right hand). These were put over
the through bolt and aluminum tube. The springs I settled on (to get enough
return force) were larger inside diameter than the aluminum tube so I found
some old garden hose to put over the tubing as a spacer.
>
> As you can see from the pictures, the springs provide return force and work nicely
to provide positive pressure on the pedal and master cylinders. So far,
it seems like a "no drag" configuration. Since I'm not flying, a final report
will have to wait for the future. Does all this make sense from what others
have learned from experience??
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347079#347079
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1388_336.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1387_104.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1386_109.jpg
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2011
Subject: Re: OSH camp conditions report
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Hmm, that should be exciting...Cherokees mixing with Bonanzas with
same arrival time.
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Rick Beebe wrote:
>
> On 07/19/2011 08:45 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Ron,
>>
>> To get the best sites, you'd probably want to drop everything
>> and leave NOW. But, to avoid the mass arrivals, you probably
>> should shoot for Saturday at the very latest.
>
> Mass arrivals:
>
> Saturday 1:00pm - Bonanza & Cherokee
> Saturday 2:30pm - Cessna
> Saturday 4:00pm - Mooney
>
> Sunday 11:30am - Comanche
> Sunday 3:00pm - racers
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My "fix" for dragging brakes
From: "billz" <billz(at)roadrunner.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2011
I tried a variety of compression springs with collars, as previously shown on the
forum. I kept having problems with the spring only having a limited range
of compression which limited the travel of the piston. I could only get about
1 in compression before the spring was fully compressed. Matco says all you
need is 3/4 in travel, but I wanted to keep the option for greater travel, if
needed.
Maybe someone else will have better luck with that approach than I did.
Good Luck!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347095#347095
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2011
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: My "fix" for dragging brakes
I replied to Ralph off-line, but just a reminder ......
Slight brake dragging is a natural function of disc brakes. The area
just outside the O-ring collects dirt which doesn't allow the puck to
retract more, and that O-ring gets stiff with time/heat.
The spring remedy only allows the cylinder shaft to extend fully
allowing the fluid pressure to relax. Nothing is available to 'suck'
the brake puck back.
Linn
On 7/19/2011 5:22 PM, billz wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "billz"
>
> I tried a variety of compression springs with collars, as previously shown on
the forum. I kept having problems with the spring only having a limited range
of compression which limited the travel of the piston. I could only get about
1 in compression before the spring was fully compressed. Matco says all you
need is 3/4 in travel, but I wanted to keep the option for greater travel, if
needed.
>
> Maybe someone else will have better luck with that approach than I did.
>
> Good Luck!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347095#347095
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: OSH Notam
From: "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net>
Date: Jul 19, 2011
Guys I stand corrected. The new EAA forum site is up and it is vBulletin based: www.eaaforums.org
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: My "fix" for dragging brakes
From: Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2011
It was me. I'll see if I can find some old write ups and photos of the mod. It
was easy, cheap, and effective. If I were building another one, I'd do the
same thing again.
Phil
On Jul 19, 2011, at 4:05 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
wrote:
>
> I forgot who did that but I've seen it before and it is what I plan to do.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:23 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: My "fix" for dragging brakes
>
> -->
>
> Your spring idea is good. However placing a compression spring over the cylinder
shaft would be lighter and maybe more effective solution.
> Linn
>
> On 7/19/2011 3:53 PM, billz wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "billz"
>>
>> I've been reading about the various dragging brake issues on the forum, talked
with several folks and experienced the problem with a friend's RV-10.
>>
>> 1. I found out, from the folks at Matco, that it is critical for the master
cylinder to fully extend when pressure is removed from the brake pedals. The
last 1/16th in. of piston extension is needed for fluid to bypass internally allowing
the brake pads to retract. It doesn't take much to keep pressure on the
brake pads. My friend fixed his with a spring arrangement on the pedals.
>>
>> 2. I also learned that minimizing friction in the brake pedals is important.
They should move freely with no binding. All bolt holes should be properly
drilled to assure free movement. The bolts should not be overly tightened, to
minimize drag.
>>
>> 3. The Van's design uses two short AN3 bolts on each side of the bottom of the
pedals. This can result in some minor twisting that can add resistance to
the pedal movement. Matco suggested replacing these with one long bolt. (I purchased
AN3-60 bolts, $10 each) I also used some aluminum tubing over the bolt
to provide a spacer inside the pedal flanges. I found springs at McMaster
(part # 9271K542 and 9271K542, 270 deg, left and right hand). These were put
over the through bolt and aluminum tube. The springs I settled on (to get enough
return force) were larger inside diameter than the aluminum tube so I found
some old garden hose to put over the tubing as a spacer.
>>
>> As you can see from the pictures, the springs provide return force and work
nicely to provide positive pressure on the pedal and master cylinders. So far,
it seems like a "no drag" configuration. Since I'm not flying, a final report
will have to wait for the future. Does all this make sense from what others
have learned from experience??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347079#347079
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1388_336.jpg
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Date: Jul 19, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
Dear Listers,
The NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver kit arrived today. Included in the box were the
following:
1ea ADS600-B Transceiver Unit
1ea DB37 Connector w/ Shell
2ea RG-142 BNC Antenna Coax Cables (terminated on one end)
1ea Wireless receiver option (802.11)
1ea End User License sheet
1ea Attention Warning sheet
Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
1ea Installation Manual
1ea Instruction Manual
1ea Wiring Diagram
2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
1ea UAT Antenna
1ea GPS Antenna
Attached are a couple of pictures of what I received.
Looking over the NavWorx web site, I'm not finding anywhere to download instruction
manuals or installation manuals. Am I suppose to buy the UAT and GPS antennas
separately? I didn't see these available separately on the NavWorx web
site when I ordered the package.
I called and left NavWorx a voicemail.
At this point, I'm kind at a loss...? :-/
Matt
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
Subject: Re: My "fix" for dragging brakes
While I'm not going to say you shouldn't improve it if
you want to, I will make a couple of comments:
1) We need to make sure that builders understand NOT
to torque the bolts too tight that the pedals hinge on.
If you don't torque them too tight, you're unlikely
to have an issue with them even with the standard bolts.
Improving them isn't going to hurt, but I would say
that it isn't necessary for most people...maybe those
with some parts or things that aren't in normal
tolerances.
2) Regarding the springs, that's the same deal. I don't
think most people will need anything like that. Sure,
it may not hurt, but if you're going to do it, just do
it in a way that doesn't have any other possible failure
mode that could jam the brakes. As long as you
do that, modify them if you think you need to. I just
don't think most people will need to.
3) As was already noted, disc brakes just work with a
bit of drag on them because there is no "retract"
spring for the pistons. You push the brakes, they
go out and touch the discs, and when you release
the brakes they still just barely touch the discs.
Even a standard design for the pedals should not
cause any additional drag, as long as your pedals
retract and you keep your heels on the floor and
don't ride the brakes. So again, while improving
them to your satisfaction isn't a bad thing, It's really
not a necessary thing. You're never going to eliminate
the inherent disc brake drag.
With 750+ hours on mine, and using the standard
setup, I've never seen any reason to have anything
more. The one-piece bolt isn't a bad idea at all,
and if they included it all in the kit, I'd be
happy with it. But don't make all the other builders
think there is some problem with the design, because
those pedals will work just fine per-plans, provided
you don't overtorque or have some other misalignment
that causes the pedals to not move freely. All
builders should make sure that THIS isn't a problem
as they build...then they'll end up with a fine
working system.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 7/19/2011 2:53 PM, billz wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "billz"
>
> I've been reading about the various dragging brake issues on the
> forum, talked with several folks and experienced the problem with a
> friend's RV-10.
>
> 1. I found out, from the folks at Matco, that it is critical for the
> master cylinder to fully extend when pressure is removed from the
> brake pedals. The last 1/16th in. of piston extension is needed for
> fluid to bypass internally allowing the brake pads to retract. It
> doesn't take much to keep pressure on the brake pads. My friend
> fixed his with a spring arrangement on the pedals.
>
> 2. I also learned that minimizing friction in the brake pedals is
> important. They should move freely with no binding. All bolt holes
> should be properly drilled to assure free movement. The bolts should
> not be overly tightened, to minimize drag.
>
> 3. The Van's design uses two short AN3 bolts on each side of the
> bottom of the pedals. This can result in some minor twisting that
> can add resistance to the pedal movement. Matco suggested replacing
> these with one long bolt. (I purchased AN3-60 bolts, $10 each) I
> also used some aluminum tubing over the bolt to provide a spacer
> inside the pedal flanges. I found springs at McMaster (part #
> 9271K542 and 9271K542, 270 deg, left and right hand). These were put
> over the through bolt and aluminum tube. The springs I settled on
> (to get enough return force) were larger inside diameter than the
> aluminum tube so I found some old garden hose to put over the tubing
> as a spacer.
>
> As you can see from the pictures, the springs provide return force
> and work nicely to provide positive pressure on the pedal and master
> cylinders. So far, it seems like a "no drag" configuration. Since
> I'm not flying, a final report will have to wait for the future.
> Does all this make sense from what others have learned from
> experience??
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347079#347079
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1388_336.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1387_104.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1386_109.jpg
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 19, 2011
Subject: Re: My "fix" for dragging brakes
What Tim said.
Plus, keep in mind that the master cylinders have internal springs
that push the piston back out. If they aren't sufficient there could
be another problem. The clothes pin springs and long bolts are a nice
touch but I see a couple of wear points that might need to eventually
be addressed. Fewer parts are usually better!
Make sure the assembly is free, even a little sloppy, and it should work fine.
Dave Saylor 895 hours
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> While I'm not going to say you shouldn't improve it if
> you want to, I will make a couple of comments:
>
> 1) We need to make sure that builders understand NOT
> to torque the bolts too tight that the pedals hinge on.
> If you don't torque them too tight, you're unlikely
> to have an issue with them even with the standard bolts.
> Improving them isn't going to hurt, but I would say
> that it isn't necessary for most people...maybe those
> with some parts or things that aren't in normal
> tolerances.
>
> 2) Regarding the springs, that's the same deal. I don't
> think most people will need anything like that. Sure,
> it may not hurt, but if you're going to do it, just do
> it in a way that doesn't have any other possible failure
> mode that could jam the brakes. As long as you
> do that, modify them if you think you need to. I just
> don't think most people will need to.
>
> 3) As was already noted, disc brakes just work with a
> bit of drag on them because there is no "retract"
> spring for the pistons. You push the brakes, they
> go out and touch the discs, and when you release
> the brakes they still just barely touch the discs.
> Even a standard design for the pedals should not
> cause any additional drag, as long as your pedals
> retract and you keep your heels on the floor and
> don't ride the brakes. So again, while improving
> them to your satisfaction isn't a bad thing, It's really
> not a necessary thing. You're never going to eliminate
> the inherent disc brake drag.
>
> With 750+ hours on mine, and using the standard
> setup, I've never seen any reason to have anything
> more. The one-piece bolt isn't a bad idea at all,
> and if they included it all in the kit, I'd be
> happy with it. But don't make all the other builders
> think there is some problem with the design, because
> those pedals will work just fine per-plans, provided
> you don't overtorque or have some other misalignment
> that causes the pedals to not move freely. All
> builders should make sure that THIS isn't a problem
> as they build...then they'll end up with a fine
> working system.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
> On 7/19/2011 2:53 PM, billz wrote:
>>
>>
>> I've been reading about the various dragging brake issues on the
>> forum, talked with several folks and experienced the problem with a
>> friend's RV-10.
>>
>> 1. I found out, from the folks at Matco, that it is critical for the
>> master cylinder to fully extend when pressure is removed from the
>> brake pedals. The last 1/16th in. of piston extension is needed for
>> fluid to bypass internally allowing the brake pads to retract. It
>> doesn't take much to keep pressure on the brake pads. My friend
>> fixed his with a spring arrangement on the pedals.
>>
>> 2. I also learned that minimizing friction in the brake pedals is
>> important. They should move freely with no binding. All bolt holes
>> should be properly drilled to assure free movement. The bolts should
>> not be overly tightened, to minimize drag.
>>
>> 3. The Van's design uses two short AN3 bolts on each side of the
>> bottom of the pedals. This can result in some minor twisting that
>> can add resistance to the pedal movement. Matco suggested replacing
>> these with one long bolt. (I purchased AN3-60 bolts, $10 each) I
>> also used some aluminum tubing over the bolt to provide a spacer
>> inside the pedal flanges. I found springs at McMaster (part #
>> 9271K542 and 9271K542, 270 deg, left and right hand). These were put
>> over the through bolt and aluminum tube. The springs I settled on
>> (to get enough return force) were larger inside diameter than the
>> aluminum tube so I found some old garden hose to put over the tubing
>> as a spacer.
>>
>> As you can see from the pictures, the springs provide return force
>> and work nicely to provide positive pressure on the pedal and master
>> cylinders. So far, it seems like a "no drag" configuration. Since
>> I'm not flying, a final report will have to wait for the future.
>> Does all this make sense from what others have learned from
>> experience??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347079#347079
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1388_336.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1387_104.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1386_109.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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From: "Dick & Vicki Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: My "fix" for dragging brakes
Date: Jul 20, 2011
We'll have to "ditto" Tim's comments on this issue. We got almost 300 hours
on the first set of pads with a standard per the plans brake installation.
The earlier RV's all had similar issues. In my opinion most of these are
related to the somewhat severe angle that the pedals meet your feet, i.e. it
is very easy to apply brake pressure when you would think you are not.
The -10, IMHO, is the least problematic in this regard so far. (The RV-12
kit includes plastic blocks installed on the bottom of the pedals to reduce
this angle not unlike what others have done as a mod on the 10)
I believe a little practice in the technique of keeping heels on the floor
at all times unless brake application is desired will go a long way to
getting good brake pad life and minimal heating.
Tailwinds,
Dick Sipp
RV-4, RV-10, B-25D
all castering nose wheels and sensitive brakes :)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick & Vicki Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: My "fix" for dragging brakes
Date: Jul 20, 2011
CORRECTION:
My bad, of course the RV-4 does not have a castering nose wheel.
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick & Vicki Sipp
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My "fix" for dragging brakes
We'll have to "ditto" Tim's comments on this issue. We got almost 300 hours
on the first set of pads with a standard per the plans brake installation.
The earlier RV's all had similar issues. In my opinion most of these are
related to the somewhat severe angle that the pedals meet your feet, i.e. it
is very easy to apply brake pressure when you would think you are not.
The -10, IMHO, is the least problematic in this regard so far. (The RV-12
kit includes plastic blocks installed on the bottom of the pedals to reduce
this angle not unlike what others have done as a mod on the 10)
I believe a little practice in the technique of keeping heels on the floor
at all times unless brake application is desired will go a long way to
getting good brake pad life and minimal heating.
Tailwinds,
Dick Sipp
RV-4, RV-10, B-25D
all castering nose wheels and sensitive brakes :)
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2011
Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
>
> 1ea Installation Manual
> 1ea Instruction Manual
> 1ea Wiring Diagram
> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
> 1ea UAT Antenna
> 1ea GPS Antenna
>
>
Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times getting my
unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been sent as a pdf
by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you conecting it to? They
have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise the EFIS mfg should
be assisting in the wiring.
I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the 'other end'
of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown and the types
of antennas is not known.
Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several others.
There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin GA-56 witch
is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local AV shop. They
are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behind the
aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in the
floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover
between the tail section and the vertical stab.
Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there is a printout
that you will call back from the unit to your computer while you are testing
it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is really going
on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to see if they
installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older -56 units put
out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I had to send my unit
back and they updated it and all is working now.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347145#347145
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Date: Jul 20, 2011
Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
Is it necessary to install an external GPS antenna if you have a 430W? I
thought you could get the GPS data from it.
Shannon
On Jul 20, 2011 7:07 AM, "orchidman" wrote:
>
>
> Matt Dralle wrote:
>>
>> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
>>
>> 1ea Installation Manual
>> 1ea Instruction Manual
>> 1ea Wiring Diagram
>> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
>> 1ea UAT Antenna
>> 1ea GPS Antenna
>>
>>
>
> Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times
getting my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been
sent as a pdf by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you
conecting it to? They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise
the EFIS mfg should be assisting in the wiring.
> I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the
'other end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown
and the types of antennas is not known.
> Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several
others. There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin
GA-56 witch is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local
AV shop. They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
> I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behind
the aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit
in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber
glass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
>
> Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there is
a printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while you
are testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is
really going on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to
see if they installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older
-56 units put out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I
had to send my unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
>
> --------
> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> (N2GB Flying)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347145#347145
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2011
I didn't know the ga-56 was supported. It wasn't listed in the manual that I have.
I guess I need to get an updated manual. I'm currently stuck in his backlog
queue waiting for mine to arrive.
I'm surprised that your not having reception issues with the antenna under the
empennage fairing. The garmin install manual states to stay clear of the VS.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:00 AM, "orchidman" wrote:
>
>
> Matt Dralle wrote:
>>
>> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
>>
>> 1ea Installation Manual
>> 1ea Instruction Manual
>> 1ea Wiring Diagram
>> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
>> 1ea UAT Antenna
>> 1ea GPS Antenna
>>
>>
>
> Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times getting
my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been sent as a pdf
by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you conecting it to?
They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise the EFIS mfg should
be assisting in the wiring.
> I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the 'other
end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown and the types
of antennas is not known.
> Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several others.
There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin GA-56 witch
is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local AV shop.
They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
> I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behind the
aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in
the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover
between the tail section and the vertical stab.
>
> Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there is a
printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while you are
testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is really going
on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to see if they
installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older -56 units put
out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I had to send my
unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
>
> --------
> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> (N2GB Flying)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347145#347145
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2011
The ads600-b has an internal gps, all you have to supply is the antenna.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote:
> Is it necessary to install an external GPS antenna if you have a 430W? I t
hought you could get the GPS data from it.
>
> Shannon
>
> On Jul 20, 2011 7:07 AM, "orchidman" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Matt Dralle wrote:
> >>
> >> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
> >>
> >> 1ea Installation Manual
> >> 1ea Instruction Manual
> >> 1ea Wiring Diagram
> >> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
> >> 1ea UAT Antenna
> >> 1ea GPS Antenna
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times gett
ing my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been sent as
a pdf by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you conecting it
to? They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise the EFIS mf
g should be assisting in the wiring.
> > I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the 'o
ther end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown and t
he types of antennas is not known.
> > Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several ot
hers. There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin GA-
56 witch is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local AV s
hop. They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
> > I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behi
nd the aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the u
nit in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber g
lass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
> >
> > Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there i
s a printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while yo
u are testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is r
eally going on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to se
e if they installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older -56
units put out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I had t
o send my unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
> >
> > --------
> > Gary Blankenbiller
> > RV10 - # 40674
> > (N2GB Flying)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347145#347145
> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
> ://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> min.
>
> >
> >
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Date: Jul 20, 2011
Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
I was trying to avoid a third GPS antenna if possible.
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:
> The ads600-b has an internal gps, all you have to supply is the antenna.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote:
>
> Is it necessary to install an external GPS antenna if you have a 430W? I
> thought you could get the GPS data from it.
>
> Shannon
> On Jul 20, 2011 7:07 AM, "orchidman" < gary(at)wingscc.com>
> wrote:
> gary(at)wingscc.com>
> >
> >
> > Matt Dralle wrote:
> >>
> >> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
> >>
> >> 1ea Installation Manual
> >> 1ea Instruction Manual
> >> 1ea Wiring Diagram
> >> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
> >> 1ea UAT Antenna
> >> 1ea GPS Antenna
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times
> getting my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been
> sent as a pdf by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you
> conecting it to? They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise
> the EFIS mfg should be assisting in the wiring.
> > I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the
> 'other end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown
> and the types of antennas is not known.
> > Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several
> others. There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin
> GA-56 witch is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local
> AV shop. They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
> > I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just
> behind the aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from
> the unit in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the
> fiber glass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
> >
> > Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there is
> a printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while you
> are testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is
> really going on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to
> see if they installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older
> -56 units put out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I
> had to send my unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
> >
> > --------
> > Gary Blankenbiller
> > RV10 - # 40674
> > (N2GB Flying)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347145#347145>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347145#347145
> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">
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Date: Jul 20, 2011
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
One does have to wonder just how many satellites you would miss that
were shadowed by the vertical stab. Seems like you would still have more
than 300 degree view of the sky there.
Has anyone had success with GPS antenna under the cabin cover(without
making holes in the fiberglass)? Seems like there shouldn't be a problem
behind the door posts where there is no honeycomb.
On 7/20/2011 5:26 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>
>
> I'm surprised that your not having reception issues with the antenna under the
empennage fairing. The garmin install manual states to stay clear of the VS.
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:00 AM, "orchidman" wrote:
>
>
>> The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in the floor of the tail
section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover between the tail
section and the vertical stab.
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?The_Model_367_=93BiPod=94_hybrid_flying_car_designed_by_?=
=?Windows-1252?Q?Burt_Rutan?
Date: Jul 20, 2011
With the tribute to Burt at Airventure, this seemed rather pertinent=85.
http://www.gizmag.com/bipod-hybrid-flying-car/19258/
Michael
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
From: Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2011
I know the feeling, I have four.
Gtn-650
Ads600b
Aprs
Garmin/afs for efis backup
Fortunately, two can sit on the glareshield
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote:
> I was trying to avoid a third GPS antenna if possible.
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:
> The ads600-b has an internal gps, all you have to supply is the antenna.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:14 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote:
>
>> Is it necessary to install an external GPS antenna if you have a 430W? I
thought you could get the GPS data from it.
>>
>> Shannon
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2011 7:07 AM, "orchidman" wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
>> >>
>> >> 1ea Installation Manual
>> >> 1ea Instruction Manual
>> >> 1ea Wiring Diagram
>> >> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
>> >> 1ea UAT Antenna
>> >> 1ea GPS Antenna
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times get
ting my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been sent a
s a pdf by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you conecting i
t to? They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise the EFIS m
fg should be assisting in the wiring.
>> > I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the '
other end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown and
the types of antennas is not known.
>> > Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several o
thers. There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin GA
-56 witch is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local AV s
hop. They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
>> > I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just beh
ind the aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the u
nit in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber g
lass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
>> >
>> > Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there i
s a printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while yo
u are testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is r
eally going on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to se
e if they installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older -5
6 units put out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I had
to send my unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Gary Blankenbiller
>> > RV10 - # 40674
>> > (N2GB Flying)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347145#347145
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From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2011
Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
I tried giving ARINC from a 530W to the 600 for GPS data but it didn't
work. Bill told me (then) that it had to have a dedicated GPS
antenna. I was in a rush so I tried both types of antennas from a 496
with no success, but the small external antenna from a 696 works like
a champ. It sees something like 12 sats, in the hangar.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote:
> Is it necessary to install an external GPS antenna if you have a 430W? I
> thought you could get the GPS data from it.
>
> Shannon
>
> On Jul 20, 2011 7:07 AM, "orchidman" wrote:
>>
>>
>> Matt Dralle wrote:
>>>
>>> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
>>>
>>> 1ea Installation Manual
>>> 1ea Instruction Manual
>>> 1ea Wiring Diagram
>>> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
>>> 1ea UAT Antenna
>>> 1ea GPS Antenna
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times
>> getting my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been
>> sent as a pdf by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you
>> conecting it to? They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise
>> the EFIS mfg should be assisting in the wiring.
>> I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the
>> 'other end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown
>> and the types of antennas is not known.
>> Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several
>> others. There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin
>> GA-56 witch is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local
>> AV shop. They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
>> I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behind
>> the aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit
>> in the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber
>> glass cover between the tail section and the vertical stab.
>>
>> Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there is
>> a printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while you
>> are testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is
>> really going on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to
>> see if they installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older
>> -56 units put out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I
>> had to send my unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
>>
>> --------
>> Gary Blankenbiller
>> RV10 - # 40674
>> (N2GB Flying)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347145#347145
> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> min.
>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2011
Subject: -10 Plans
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
I have started scanning all of my -10 plans for my own personal use and was
wondering if there would be any issues with making them available for
everyone to see.
Thanks for your input.
Shannon
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
My old GNS-480 antenna is what I used. I had to get a new
antenna when the GNS-480 update was done a couple years
ago. I put it under the VS fairing, which I think Gary
copied from me, not that it matters, but he did it because
I was having great luck there. Normally I wouldn't put
a GPS antenna in a crappy spot, but in this particular
case, the GPS isn't for my own navigation, so I wasn't
as particular. All I need are 4 satellites and it gets
more than that by far.
I myself understand why they don't include the antennas.
It gives you the ability to choose a certified model if
you're putting it in a certified plane, or an experimental
antenna of your choice, and connector type choice. So it
isn't surprising. The sad thing is just the communication
of that being left out should be better, and as we noted,
the .pdf manual should be made available online.
To answer the question on can't you feed it GPS from
some other system, yes you can, but it's a very specific
GPS signal...that has something called TimeMark and
something about pulse-per-second. So if you feed it
an external GPS, it needs to be a specific flavor. To me
it was just as easy to use the built-in and hide the
antenna because I didn't want just one more topside wart
for not reason either. The GNS480 with the latest
software, was able to provide the proper GPS signal.
I'm not sure between the 430/430W/530/530W/and new models
which ones would support that proper GPS signal...but
if you figure that one out and have one that works, you
could use that GPS to feed the ADS600B.
Once you get the system up and running it's pretty slick.
I've had a few flights as of recent, 2 times to OSH now
in the last week, and yesterday I could see traffic over
10 miles away that was going to be a factor, and I was able
to adjust course and bypass them. Last Friday as I was
flying in a MOA, I saw F-somethings in the Restricted
bombing range doing maneuvers, and could watch them zip
around me...they were dang fast. One flew overhead
last week and I could tell that since I was busting into
the MOA, he climbed and did a little circle above me to
get a visual, and then went about his day. I don't
use the WX features, but the traffic is very nice to have
and it blows away my Mode S transponder for traffic.
Also, I'd encourage people with problems with NavWorx or
ANY vendor, to communicate....not just with the forum, but
hound the vendor. You'll find that sometimes you need to
kick the vendor in the pants a little, but if you're nice,
and you ask questions without negative insinuations, you
can develop a good relationship and work through issues
much better. I haven't worked with too many vendors
yet that have been perfect at doing their business...it
seems that even the nice ones have issues sometimes. But,
I've found that by keeping a good relationship you can
end up a very happy customer.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 7/20/2011 7:00 AM, orchidman wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman"
>
>
> Matt Dralle wrote:
>>
>> Missing from the package, it seemed to me were:
>>
>> 1ea Installation Manual
>> 1ea Instruction Manual
>> 1ea Wiring Diagram
>> 2ea BNC connectors for Terminating Antenna Cable
>> 1ea UAT Antenna
>> 1ea GPS Antenna
>>
>>
>
> Sorry to hear but that is correct. I have talked to Bill many times getting
my unit up and running. The manual should be or should have been sent as a pdf
by email. The wiring is in the manual. What EFIS are you conecting it to?
They have some of the units/makes in the manual, other wise the EFIS mfg should
be assisting in the wiring.
> I don't know why Bill doesn't include the BNC's with the unit for the 'other
end' of the cables, other then the length of the cables is unknown and the types
of antennas is not known.
> Bill offers a UAT antenna on his web site but you can go with several others.
There is a list of GPS antennas compatible. I went with the Garmin GA-56 witch
is the old 430 (non-WAAS) antenna. Got it for $50 from a local AV shop.
They are surplus when GA planes upgrade from the 430 to the 430W.
> I know you don't have a -10 but in my -10 I installed the 600B just behind the
aft baggage bulkhead. The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in
the floor of the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover
between the tail section and the vertical stab.
>
> Note: When you get it all installed, if you are using the GA-56, there is a
printout that you will call back from the unit to your computer while you are
testing it outside. It will give you all the diagnostics and what is really going
on. If you are not getting 7 satellites or more, call Bill to see if they
installed the extra filtering. It seems that some of the older -56 units put
out to much noise and the 600B can't keep track of things. I had to send my
unit back and they updated it and all is working now.
>
> --------
> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> (N2GB Flying)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347145#347145
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2011
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
There is a gentleman on VAF offering a GPS antenna as a decal that can
go top center of the windshield behind the center post. Uses a BNC
connector and price IIRC is reasonable. I expect to use one for one of
GPSs.
On 7/20/2011 7:08 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> My old GNS-480 antenna is what I used. I had to get a new
> antenna when the GNS-480 update was done a couple years
> ago.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com>
Subject: Re: -10 Plans
Date: Jul 20, 2011
Check Tim's site . already done.
----- Original Message -----
From: Shannon Hicks
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: -10 Plans
I have started scanning all of my -10 plans for my own personal use
and was wondering if there would be any issues with making them
available for everyone to see.
Thanks for your input.
Shannon
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2011
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
I think the FG is still pretty thick back there. The VS fairing would
be thinner ...... and there's a whole lot of aircraft out there flying
with the GPS antenna on the glareshield.
I like the glareshield mountiung .... shorter coax, less weight (those
ounces add up!) and easier installation.
Linn
On 7/20/2011 8:48 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> One does have to wonder just how many satellites you would miss that
> were shadowed by the vertical stab. Seems like you would still have
> more than 300 degree view of the sky there.
> Has anyone had success with GPS antenna under the cabin cover(without
> making holes in the fiberglass)? Seems like there shouldn't be a
> problem behind the door posts where there is no honeycomb.
>
>
> On 7/20/2011 5:26 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm surprised that your not having reception issues with the antenna
>> under the empennage fairing. The garmin install manual states to
>> stay clear of the VS.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:00 AM, "orchidman" wrote:
>>
>>> The UAT antenna is mounted about 12" from the unit in the floor of
>>> the tail section and the GPS is mounted under the fiber glass cover
>>> between the tail section and the vertical stab.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: -10 Plans
Date: Jul 20, 2011
Actually Tim took it down a year ago. It is not legal to copy the plans
and distribute.
The best suggestion is ask Vans if you can do it and if so, do it and
state so.
Pascal
From: DLM
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 Plans
Check Tim's site . already done.
----- Original Message -----
From: Shannon Hicks
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: -10 Plans
I have started scanning all of my -10 plans for my own personal use
and was wondering if there would be any issues with making them
available for everyone to see.
Thanks for your input.
Shannon
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2011
rleffler wrote:
> I didn't know the ga-56 was supported. It wasn't listed in the manual that I
have. I guess I need to get an updated manual. I'm currently stuck in his
backlog queue waiting for mine to arrive.
>
It's not listed even in the new manual but it is pulling in 12 sats.
> I'm surprised that your not having reception issues with the antenna under the
empennage fairing. The garmin install manual states to stay clear of the VS.
Works great. I seem to be pulling in at least 9 and mostly 12. I mounted it the
same place Tim mounted his antenna (different type though). The front 2 screws
go into the turtle back, and the coax comes up on the aft side of the bulkhead.
The only sat that would be blocked would be any one directly over head
and aft.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347182#347182
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2011
Subject: Re: -10 Plans
From: civeng123(at)gmail.com
Thanks Guys. I was afraid that there might be some copyright issues
involved. Right now I have them in my Google Docs with access restricted to
only those that have permission. Right now, that is just me and a friend
that is helping me out. It is handy to have them available when away from
the hanger if a question or concern comes up.
Shannon
On , Pascal wrote:
> Actually Tim took it down a year ago. It is not legal to copy the plans
> and
> distribute.
> The best suggestion is ask Vans if you can do it and if so, do it and
> state
> so.
> Pascal
> From: DLM
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:30 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 Plans
> Check Tim's site . already done.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Shannon
> Hicks
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:59
> AM
> Subject: RV10-List: -10 Plans
> I have started scanning all of my -10 plans for my own
> personal use and was wondering if there would be any issues with making
> them
> available for everyone to see.
> Thanks for your
> input.
> Shannon
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2011
Bill said a GA35 GPS antenna works fine. CI-105 works for the xponder.
Garmin 430W, etc. don't support digital antenna out stream (and may never). So
you have no choice but to use the built-in ADS600 GPS + extra antenna.
I found a manual on their website, but can't seem to locate it now. Navworx sent
me the latest version: "ADS600-B Installation Manual 240-0008-00-14.pdf" (email
me offline if you wish to get a copy).
The newer doc has at least one addition that I hadn't noticed before: ADS600 Pin35
"Transponder Suppression Input". The power wire size (two inputs) is way oversubscribed
for the required current draw.
I'm planning to pull wire for ADS600 connections to external connector to facilitate
easy future access / expansion as required.
Notes from Bill at Navworx:
1) GTX330 to ADS600 shows shield grounds on both ends of ARINC connection. Only
one shield ground is required.
Notes from Carlos at GRT:
1) GRT doesn't currently support built-in Maintenance Serial port connects shown
for HX display in WD-1008-00.pdf GRT doc. Wire to DB9 as shown in Navworx install
doc.
2) ADS600-Pin25 "TISA TX" to EFIS is not supported by GRT. I don't know why...
ADS600 offers ARINC connect to GTX330, so maybe it doesn't matter.
3) EFIS Serial Out 7 "Display TX" to ADS600 is not supported at present. Okay to
wire, but leave it turned off in the EFIS for now.
So my 3 screen GRT to ADS600B connections are as follows:
ADS600: Maint Port RX-Pin 4 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: Maint Port TX-Pin 22 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: Maint Port GND-Pin 3 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: ALT Enc Serial RX-Pin 7 --- To GRT DU1A-Pin1 (Serial Out 6)
ADS600: ALT TIS TX-Pin 25 --- Not Connected
ADS600: ALT Enc GND-Pin6 --- To GRT DU1A-Pin17 GND
ADS600: Display Serial TX-Pin 5 --- To GRT DU1B,2A,3A-Pin23 (Serial IN 7)
ADS600: Display Serial RX-Pin 24 --- To GRT DU2B-Pin22 (Serial OUT 7) Note: Wired,
but GRT Port to be disabled.
~~~ Other connections are
ADS600: ARINC IN1B-Pin28 --- To GTX330 ARINC OUT2B-Pin28
ADS600: ARINC IN1A-Pin09 --- To GTX330 ARINC OUT2A-Pin30
ADS600: UAT Fail OUT-Pin 14 --- Wire to ext connector for future use
ADS600: Transponder Suppression Input-Pin35 --- Wire to ext connector for future
use.
Regards,
Jay
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347186#347186
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2011
Subject: Re: -10 Plans
From: Matthew Collier <ivdiggs(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 Plans
Shannon,
How about making them available to anyone with a valid RV-10 customer number
with Vans? I think it would be a very helpful option Van's could even offer
if you sent them the file.
Matthew
RV-10 phase 1 flight testing
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:08 AM, wrote:
> Thanks Guys. I was afraid that there might be some copyright issues
> involved. Right now I have them in my Google Docs with access restricted to
> only those that have permission. Right now, that is just me and a friend
> that is helping me out. It is handy to have them available when away from
> the hanger if a question or concern comes up.
>
> Shannon
>
>
> On , Pascal wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually Tim took it down a year ago. It is not legal to copy the plans
> and
> > distribute.
> >
> > The best suggestion is ask Vans if you can do it and if so, do it and
> state
> > so.
> >
> > Pascal
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: DLM
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:30 AM
> >
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 Plans
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Check Tim's site . already done.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From:
> > Shannon
> > Hicks
> >
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:59
> > AM
> >
> > Subject: RV10-List: -10 Plans
> >
> >
> > I have started scanning all of my -10 plans for my own
> > personal use and was wondering if there would be any issues with making
> them
> > available for everyone to see.
> >
> > Thanks for your
> > input.
> >
> > Shannon
> >
> >
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Date: Jul 20, 2011
Subject: Re: -10 Plans
From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>
I just spoke with Van's and they do not have a problem with me sharing the
plans with other -10 builders. They just don't want them accessible to
everyone in the world with an internet connection.
If anyone would like to have access to them, please email me directly along
with your builder number and I will get you access to the plans.
Shannon
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Matthew Collier wrote:
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 Plans
>
> Shannon,
> How about making them available to anyone with a valid RV-10 customer
> number with Vans? I think it would be a very helpful option Van's could even
> offer if you sent them the file.
>
> Matthew
> RV-10 phase 1 flight testing
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:08 AM, wrote:
>
>> Thanks Guys. I was afraid that there might be some copyright issues
>> involved. Right now I have them in my Google Docs with access restricted to
>> only those that have permission. Right now, that is just me and a friend
>> that is helping me out. It is handy to have them available when away from
>> the hanger if a question or concern comes up.
>>
>> Shannon
>>
>>
>> On , Pascal wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Actually Tim took it down a year ago. It is not legal to copy the plans
>> and
>> > distribute.
>> >
>> > The best suggestion is ask Vans if you can do it and if so, do it and
>> state
>> > so.
>> >
>> > Pascal
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: DLM
>> >
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:30 AM
>> >
>> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 Plans
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Check Tim's site . already done.
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >
>> > From:
>> > Shannon
>> > Hicks
>> >
>> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> >
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:59
>> > AM
>> >
>> > Subject: RV10-List: -10 Plans
>> >
>> >
>> > I have started scanning all of my -10 plans for my own
>> > personal use and was wondering if there would be any issues with making
>> them
>> > available for everyone to see.
>> >
>> > Thanks for your
>> > input.
>> >
>> > Shannon
>> >
>> >
>> > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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>> >
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>> >
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Date: Jul 20, 2011
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Abe's Tiedowns for OSH
After the disaster at Sun-N-Fun where the planes flipped all over
the place, I paid attention to the stuff going on when the
discussion turned to tiedowns. At the time, Aviation Consumer
decided to test them after the big blow and get feedback too,
from sun-n-fun attenders. So they did a tie-down comparison
and basically the thrust of it was that The Claw was probably
just slightly on top as the best. But, then came info
about the Storm Force tie down, which purported to be better
yet.
So I watched with interest because I really care about my
plane and care not to have it thrashed at OSH, and every year...
and I mean EVERY year, we get at least one storm going through
that scares the heck out of me. (Remember that bozo with the
stuck horn in camp scholler that sounded like a tornado horn
that one year?) So I wanted to make sure that whatever I
had, it was very very good, if not the best I could practically
do.
Well, after Aviation Consumer did that review, a couple others
that they hadn't heard about were made known to them.
One of them was Abe's Tiedowns...one that I had never heard
of. As it turns out, Abe's tiedowns were vastly stronger
than the other offerings when they tested them.
You can go to Abe's Aviation site here, and see the
Aviation Consumer review and test. http://www.abesaviation.com/
(actually, it looks like the link on their site has
gotten mixed up but either google it or go to youtube here)
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIuYK_eEQ9c
Google: "Aviation Consumer's Tiedown Shootout"
The way the test turned out, they used an engine hoist
to test them, and the Abe's were so strong that the
engine hoist wouldn't do it without tipping over so they
hooked up a truck, and pulled to 1000lbs and the tires
on the truck spun without pulling the tiedown anchors out.
I was pretty impressed, and I'd never even heard of them
before.
The Abe's set aren't cheap...I bought the deluxe-5 set
that costs $305, but there are cheaper options if you
wish. I got them last week and opened them up and
saw that they were really nice, made of stainless. They're
going to be a little heavier in the 5-set that I got, than
my claw set, but the anchoring hold is much much stronger.
My thought is that if I were going somewhere for a simple
overnight, perhaps I'd take the claw for weight savings
if it were an issue (it's only about 3 lbs less). But
sometimes you're traveling to a place like OSH. At OSH,
you can't really just LEAVE if a storm is imminent. The
rules don't allow it, and you can't just get up at
9pm and decide to bug out before a huge line of storms
is coming. So for a show like OSH, I don't want my plane
flying around into someone else's, or flipping over, and
I'd gladly haul the best tiedown anchors I could get
for such a show. I know, it's paranoid, but it did just
happen at OSH.
So anyway, I thought I'd pass on the note, since I wasn't
aware of them. I was impressed enough that I asked Abe's
guy to send me some flyers that I can set down by the plane
next to the tiedowns, to have something for people to
grab if they are interested in such a thing. I know it
might not be something you could get in time for OSH,
unless you scramble, but for builders who don't have them,
you may want to stop over and take a peek.
Just thought I'd pass that along.
Tim
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2011
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Abe's Tiedowns for OSH
The problem I had with the Aviation Consumer test was that they pulled
straight up. Just another data point:
I volunteer at the Aerobatic center .... the tent next to the warbird
ramp ..... and the aircraft on display were tied down with the doggy
screw-in anchors. The storm picked up our tent and flipped it over, but
the aircraft tied down didn't move. Why? All the tiedowns were offset
from the tiedown rings (or the gear legs etc) so the pulling force was
sideways on the stakes. I looked at a large number of aircraft that
were still tied down with the doggy stakes ..... and the stakes were
very close to being right under the tiedown rings. I think they just
dodged the bullet. I have no knowledge of how the damaged aircraft were
tied down, but I'm of the opinion that with the tornado, no tiedown
would have survived.
Look at how the Abes Stakes are laid out. Pulling two flat plates
sideways takes an awesome amount of force.
Linn
On 7/20/2011 3:26 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> After the disaster at Sun-N-Fun where the planes flipped all over
> the place, I paid attention to the stuff going on when the
> discussion turned to tiedowns. At the time, Aviation Consumer
> decided to test them after the big blow and get feedback too,
> from sun-n-fun attenders. So they did a tie-down comparison
> and basically the thrust of it was that The Claw was probably
> just slightly on top as the best. But, then came info
> about the Storm Force tie down, which purported to be better
> yet.
>
> So I watched with interest because I really care about my
> plane and care not to have it thrashed at OSH, and every year...
> and I mean EVERY year, we get at least one storm going through
> that scares the heck out of me. (Remember that bozo with the
> stuck horn in camp scholler that sounded like a tornado horn
> that one year?) So I wanted to make sure that whatever I
> had, it was very very good, if not the best I could practically
> do.
>
> Well, after Aviation Consumer did that review, a couple others
> that they hadn't heard about were made known to them.
> One of them was Abe's Tiedowns...one that I had never heard
> of. As it turns out, Abe's tiedowns were vastly stronger
> than the other offerings when they tested them.
>
> You can go to Abe's Aviation site here, and see the
> Aviation Consumer review and test. http://www.abesaviation.com/
> (actually, it looks like the link on their site has
> gotten mixed up but either google it or go to youtube here)
>
> Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIuYK_eEQ9c
> Google: "Aviation Consumer's Tiedown Shootout"
>
> The way the test turned out, they used an engine hoist
> to test them, and the Abe's were so strong that the
> engine hoist wouldn't do it without tipping over so they
> hooked up a truck, and pulled to 1000lbs and the tires
> on the truck spun without pulling the tiedown anchors out.
> I was pretty impressed, and I'd never even heard of them
> before.
>
> The Abe's set aren't cheap...I bought the deluxe-5 set
> that costs $305, but there are cheaper options if you
> wish. I got them last week and opened them up and
> saw that they were really nice, made of stainless. They're
> going to be a little heavier in the 5-set that I got, than
> my claw set, but the anchoring hold is much much stronger.
> My thought is that if I were going somewhere for a simple
> overnight, perhaps I'd take the claw for weight savings
> if it were an issue (it's only about 3 lbs less). But
> sometimes you're traveling to a place like OSH. At OSH,
> you can't really just LEAVE if a storm is imminent. The
> rules don't allow it, and you can't just get up at
> 9pm and decide to bug out before a huge line of storms
> is coming. So for a show like OSH, I don't want my plane
> flying around into someone else's, or flipping over, and
> I'd gladly haul the best tiedown anchors I could get
> for such a show. I know, it's paranoid, but it did just
> happen at OSH.
>
> So anyway, I thought I'd pass on the note, since I wasn't
> aware of them. I was impressed enough that I asked Abe's
> guy to send me some flyers that I can set down by the plane
> next to the tiedowns, to have something for people to
> grab if they are interested in such a thing. I know it
> might not be something you could get in time for OSH,
> unless you scramble, but for builders who don't have them,
> you may want to stop over and take a peek.
>
> Just thought I'd pass that along.
> Tim
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2011
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Oshkosh wireless sites
Can anybody update me on wireless internet connections at Oshkosh?
Where are the good places?
Dr Fred.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives...
From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2011
Corrections to after additional input from Navworx...
ADS600B connection list for GRT HX:
ADS600: Maint Port RX-Pin 4 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: Maint Port TX-Pin 22 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: Maint Port GND-Pin28 --- To DB9 for PC
ADS600: ALT Enc Serial RX-Pin 7 --- To GRT DU1A-Pin1 (Serial Out 6)
ADS600: ALT TIS TX-Pin 25 --- Not Connected (provided by Display)
ADS600: ALT Enc GND-Pin6 --- To GRT DU1A-Pin17 GND
ADS600: Display Serial TX-Pin 5 --- To GRT DU1B,2A,3A-Pin23 (Serial IN 7)
ADS600: Display Serial RX-Pin 24 --- To GRT DU2B-Pin22 (Serial OUT 7)
Wire for future GRT support. Disable Serial OUT 7.
~~~ Other connections are
ADS600: ARINC IN1B-Pin28 --- To GTX330 ARINC OUT2B-Pin28
ADS600: ARINC IN1A-Pin09 --- To GTX330 ARINC OUT2A-Pin30
ADS600: UAT Fail OUT-Pin 14 --- Wire to ext connector for future use
ADS600: Transponder Suppression OUT-Pin35 --- Not connected
(provided by GTX330 ARINC)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347209#347209
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2011
From: Rick Beebe <richard.beebe(at)yale.edu>
Subject: Re: Oshkosh wireless sites
On 07/20/2011 04:08 PM, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote:
>
>
> Can anybody update me on wireless internet connections at Oshkosh? Where
> are the good places?
http://www.airventure.org/news/2011/110718_wifi.html
The AirVenture site map has the hotspots marked on it.
--Rick
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Oshkosh wireless sites
Date: Jul 20, 2011
They're located on the Airventure map this year.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh wireless sites
-->
Can anybody update me on wireless internet connections at Oshkosh?
Where are the good places?
Dr Fred.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2011
Subject: Re: -10 Plans
From: James Stribling <jlstrib(at)comcast.net>
Mr Hicks,
I would like to share the plans.
James Stribling
Vans # 40140
Thanks
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote:
> I have started scanning all of my -10 plans for my own personal use and was
> wondering if there would be any issues with making them available for
> everyone to see.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Shannon
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2011
Subject: Re: -10 Plans
From: James Stribling <jlstrib(at)comcast.net>
I forgot to provide my email address: jlstrib(at)comcast.net
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:08 PM, wrote:
> Thanks Guys. I was afraid that there might be some copyright issues
> involved. Right now I have them in my Google Docs with access restricted to
> only those that have permission. Right now, that is just me and a friend
> that is helping me out. It is handy to have them available when away from
> the hanger if a question or concern comes up.
>
> Shannon
>
>
> On , Pascal wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually Tim took it down a year ago. It is not legal to copy the plans
> and
> > distribute.
> >
> > The best suggestion is ask Vans if you can do it and if so, do it and
> state
> > so.
> >
> > Pascal
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: DLM
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:30 AM
> >
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 Plans
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Check Tim's site . already done.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From:
> > Shannon
> > Hicks
> >
> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:59
> > AM
> >
> > Subject: RV10-List: -10 Plans
> >
> >
> > I have started scanning all of my -10 plans for my own
> > personal use and was wondering if there would be any issues with making
> them
> > available for everyone to see.
> >
> > Thanks for your
> > input.
> >
> > Shannon
> >
> >
> > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List